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[Roll call].
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Is there any alternate or member I may have missed?
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>> Good morning.
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Shannon Weber here.
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>> All right.
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>> We will move on to communication and public
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comment.
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We several people signed up for public comment as well as
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written public comment that has been submitted.
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It looks like we have a hand up?
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Got it.
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I'm going to go ahead and read through the instructions
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and then we will move into public comment.
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Each member of the public wishing to give comment
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has two minutes to speak and must
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speak to an action and or discussion item.
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If you don't speak to an action or discussion item
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you will be muted and your time will end.
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We have an on screen timer so speakers
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can see how much time is remaining we discourage people
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from using obscenities and personal attacks.
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Please be mindful when giving your comment today.
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Under Washington state law called a public comment cannot
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be used for the purpose of assisting a campaign or ballot
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measure.
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We ask that you start out your public comment
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by stating your name as well as the agenda item
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that you will be speaking to.
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Alexa will we please call our first speaker?
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>> They received written comments and we had three
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individuals who signed up for public comment.
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Our first commenter is -- signed up to speak to item six
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A. Cascadia High Speed Rail and I-5 program.
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>> Thank you.
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Can you hear me?
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I am speaking on the high speed rail.
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I'm co-chair of the Climate and Health group Washington
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Physicians for Social Responsibility.
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Our transport guide is more trains not more lanes.
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Trains and busses move only about 2% of us.
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The rest of us are in lanes.
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Car wrecks cause 95% of US transport deaths.
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It's going to get worse.
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By 2050 come 80% of I-5 will have
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medium to high ingestion compared to 59%
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as you will hear soon.
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That is wasted money and wasted lives.
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Opposes wider highways because fossil transport is literally
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killing us.
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You can see our report fueling Sickness at W sr.org.
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W p sr.org.
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Erode the US R tunnel and the Shinkansen in Japan.
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We strongly support mode shift to trains and more tracks
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and switches to let them run faster
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and our cascade follows slow BNSF trains and outdated trucks
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so it is on time about half the time.
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It makes no prediction of the cost and time to build it.
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It'll cause more and take longer than California high speed rail.
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Washington topography will require
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90 miles of tunnels estimated to cost half a billion
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with a B dollars per mile Paramount that's in the 2024 JTC
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report that you must see and include
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in your political and economic calculations.
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We urge you to acquire health risk analysis not just --
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to fully inform the public about the known health harms shifted
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to health care insurance and disability systems.
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Please make a fully informed decision
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with health harms and climate cost in mind.
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Thank you.
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>> Next speaker please?
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>> Thanks.
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Good morning everyone.
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Mary Patterson with switch rail.
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I'm going to follow my colleague Doctor Lubeck trying
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to Taylor tale of two cities but of two trains and two minutes.
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The other is Amtrak Cascades.
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Cascadia high speed rail will need
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to be built on all new infrastructure,
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all new land that needs to be purchased and studied.
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It's a long term solution to the need we have for mode shift
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to rail.
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Amtrak Cascades is along the same I-5 corridor
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between Vancouver BC, Seattle Portland and even
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south of Portland on existing infrastructure owned
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by BNSF, Sound Transit and up.
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It is a near-term solution because the right of way
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exists and needs just to be improved.
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Significantly improved for fast reliable high speed service
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between Vancouver and BC.
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This can be done by 2035.
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In addition to the joint Transportation Committee
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study done of ultra high speed rail back in June
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of 2023, which we assume you all have access to but we can send
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a link to, there was legislation passed in 2025
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in Washington called 1837 that sets targets for Amtrak cascades
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by 2035.
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A time frame is critical.
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We feel like it is a matter of prioritizing which of the two
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trains in this tale of two trains
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to focus on initially because of the climate crisis
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and because of environmental needs
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and because of mobility needs.
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We are asking you to focus on Amtrak cascades by 2035.
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Thank you.
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>> Thank you.
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Our next speaker?
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We have Mike Elliott signing up to speak to item six
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a the cascade high speed rail and I-5 program.
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>> This is Mike Elliott in Tacoma Washington
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and I'm a retired railroad worker and rail safety advocate.
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I'd like to see more attention paid to the system
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we have in the Amtrak cascade versus future programs
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like ultra that we have been looking at for ten years
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and we spent a lot of money on Paramount with our new train
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sets that are arriving hopefully later this month.
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There are fantastic train sets and we
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can improve the performance we have and we can improve
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the system we have in transportation
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we have right now with Amtrak cascade
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versus trying to plan for future that is at least 20 years out.
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Who need immediate relief on our highways and roads
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and between our cities.
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I would encourage the board to look at the studies
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that the previous two speakers mentioned.
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And take that to heart.
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Let me see here.
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That's more about incremental advancements here.
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We already have a good system in place
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permanently on time performance could be improved
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and frequency could be improved.
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The previous speaker spoke of 1837 passed in 2025.
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Excellent piece of legislation we
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need to improve the on time performance.
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One thing I would like to ask the board to consider.
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Can we get that update on Amtrak Cascades and the train sets
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and how this is supposed to work together?
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That is something I am not so clear on.
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Thank you very much.
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Those are my comments for this morning
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and I turn it over to you again.
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Thank you.
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>> Alexa is anybody else signed up?
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>> Nobody else signed up.
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>> We will close public comment.
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To those joining us on Zoom we will disconnect the Zoom.
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You can certainly follow us on the web stream
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at Ssrc website for the remainder of the meeting.
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We will move on to item number three.
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Report of the chair.
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I will defer we have a full agenda.
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We will turn it over to Kelly for the director's report.
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>> Good morning everyone.
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I will turn it over to give the federal update.
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Two things I want to share with you.
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Myself and Ben McKenzie are the Director
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of Regional Planning and Craig the Director of data
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we went to Minneapolis last week to the Governor's Highway Safety
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Association meeting.
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Quite a mouthful.
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It was an exceptional conference.
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This organization is an organization for the State
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Highway Safety Officer.
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At the meeting there was leadership
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from a wide variety of partners we would not normally
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engage with.
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Had included leadership representatives
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for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
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and it's America.
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The states tech company vehicle manufacturers and insurance
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companies and law enforcement advocacy
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and it was well rounded.
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Some of the programs that we learned about which
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were a little bit outside of our lane
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but given the conversations at this table on safety
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they were really valuable and intriguing programs
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being provided in schools related
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to teen driving safety and initiatives in driver education
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programs.
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In vehicle technology and advanced driver assistance
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systems.
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I have a very old car so I don't have any of those
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but that was interesting to learn about all
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of the different pieces of the puzzle.
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We took advantage of it being in Minneapolis.
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You may remember from Craig's charts
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our partner MPO Minneapolis are one
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of the lowest rates of fatalities
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and serious injuries for an MPR RSI.
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We wanted to learn from them and learn why.
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We took advantage and met with the partner agency Metropolitan
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Council to discuss safety and transportation and finance.
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We came back very energized.
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We are really absorbing what we heard and learned
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and we will build some of that into our work programs.
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We talk to you about safety and finance work
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program in particular.
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I want to flag for you it was a great organization
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and a great meeting you'll be hearing more from us
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in the coming months about those two work programs.
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I think I mentioned in July, npos of our size
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have to be certified by our federal partners
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and planning processes need to be certified every four years
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and I'm happy to report we passed it with flying colors
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and we received the final report earlier this week.
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The Federal Highway Administration Division
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administrator for Washington will
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be providing a briefing of the Executive Board
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later this month.
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We are excited for that.
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With that I will turn it over to Robin.
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>> Thank you very much Kelly and Chair Ralph.
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I don't have a Powerpoint presentation which is a rarity.
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As far as the federal side of things,
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the house is back in and they were in last week or this week
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and the Senate comes back September 14th and I guess
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they're expected to be in for about three weeks before they go
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home before the midterm elections.
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I'm sure everybody has heard the House passed and the Senate
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passed continuing resolution to keep the government running
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and extend current federal funding levels for all agencies
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until December 11th.
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There is also a couple of other important things and that
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continuing resolution impairment one is a delay of the Office
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of Management and Budget rule that will make very significant
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changes to uniform guidance that governs how federal grants are
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administered that is also delayed until September 11th.
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Very important to the work here at the Transportation Policy
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Board extends surface transportation reauthorization
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that is not include advanced appropriations.
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Programs like Safe Streets and Roads
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for all and capital investment grants
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do not have any funding at this time
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unless they have leftover balances that
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have not been spent otherwise.
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We do understand this could be an issue there could be
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significant impacts for --.
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We will definitely keep an eye on this as we go forward.
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I did want to mention that we sent out an our Executive
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Director newsletter to a link to the protect grant
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out on the street right now at the Federal Highway
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Administration.
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Stands for Promoting Resilient Operations
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for transformative efficient and cost saving transportation.
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It's a little bit of a mouthful those applications are due
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on October 9th and I want to make sure everybody was aware
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of that.
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Switching over to the state side of things,
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we know the budget will continue to be front and center
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both on the transportation side and the general state operations
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side.
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The most recent economic and revenue forecast Council update
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was a little bit of a mixed bag and there will be a full revenue
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and transportation revenue update coming out on September
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25th.
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As far as August goes, we were seeing
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decrease in employment in the US and Washington job
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growth a little weaker than what was forecasted in June.
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We did get a positive US jobs report
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so there will be another update tomorrow
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and I'm sure that'll be reflected there.
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Crises have continued to increase at 3.4% year over year.
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Housing starts are up which I think
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is good news overall for revenue and creating more housing.
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The general fund and revenue collections were up a little bit
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but there were some other revenues that were down.
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Like I said, it is kind of a mixed bag.
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Josh and I have done legislative meetings.
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Looking forward to the 2027 session.
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We met with Representative FYE at the beginning of last week.
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He continues to fly concerns about the sustainability
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of the transportation budget with declining tax gas revenues.
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He said they are seeing climate commitment
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after revenue decline which is what the Act was designed to do.
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Lawmakers have to figure out how to deal with that because they
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are funding things with those funds.
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He relayed he wants you to sell highway user fee and that will
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not be a real usage charge.
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He is clear he does not think it is politically viable given
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the pushback he received when he has introduced
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bills in the past.
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Introduced a bill and will be holding some meetings
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with various groups including cities and local governments
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and he offered to do a meeting with Ssrc
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so we'll be working on scheduling that
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and we'll let you know all about that.
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I'll be back with a list of coin next month
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to talk about our recommendations
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to the state legislature and that is all I have today.
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Thanks everybody.
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I will take questions if there are any.
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>> Can you get us a quick update on the funding situation
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for Washington State and what it looks like coming up?
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>> Commissioner Bozeman, you may remember,
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and we did talk about a little bit with Representative Phi,
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there's a group of legislators appointed to work with
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the consultant to look at a bunch of different things around
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ferry funding and different methods of producing ferries
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including leasing them looking at hydrogen ferries.
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Fi reported there were meetings and they were not sure
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if they would have any funding recommendations.
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They do have to have a report.
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Sort of interim report to the legislature by December
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and the full report is not due until the middle of next year.
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I understand there might be pressure
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from those advanced appropriations
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that we're concerned won't come to the ferries.
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I don't know the extent of that but I can follow up with WSDOT
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and get back to you.
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Otherwise things are relatively stable with the ferries.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Are there any other questions for Robyn?
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All right I'm not seeing any hands raised.
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Is there anything else?
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All right.
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We will move on to consent calendar.
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We have three items today.
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Approval of the minutes from the July 9th meeting an amendment
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to the 25 through 28 tip.
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And project tracking contingency funding awards.
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Anything to add before we call for a motion?
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In order to approve the consent agenda.
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All right.
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I have a motion from Council member Fey and.
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Is there second?
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>> Second Walker.
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>> Pain not fame.
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Sorry about that.
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We have a motion and a second.
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All those in favor please say aye.
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>> Aye.
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>> Any opposed?
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All right.
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Carries.
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Council member, did you have a question?
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>> I was raising my hand to support that and I did not bring
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it down fast enough when you brought a over.
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>> Okay thank you.
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You're going to move into our first discussion
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item for this morning and it is Cascadia High Speed
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Rail on I-5 program.
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I would like to ask Ben and Jason to join us up here
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for the presentation.
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>> Good morning and thank you for joining us.
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>> Good morning mayor and members.
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Thank you so much for having us this morning.
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We are very pleased to be here.
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My name is Ben and I'm the program administrator
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for the Cascadia High Speed Rail I-5 Master Plan Program.
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We are excited to be here with you
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initiating, helping to initiate our communication and outreach
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effort for the latest phase of the review of the Cascadia
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program.
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We want to share with you where we are and what's next.
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We want to get your feedback and input on the program
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as we are at the moment.
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And any questions you have about the program going forward.
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And our ongoing efforts it will include regular check ins with
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the PSE RC-- with the PSRC .
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To really take advantage of the opportunity
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that we have in this moment in time
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to really analyze our needs from a multimodal transportation
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standpoint and the I-5 corridor between Vancouver BC
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and Portland and really lay out a comprehensive roadmap of how
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do we address growth in the future and multiple
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transportation needs that we have throughout the region?
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As Kelly pointed out I am joined this morning
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by Jason Belloso from WSDOT rail freight and Ports Division.
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He led the popular Amtrak Cascades
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and I am very happy to have Jason here with me
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and he will touch on the Cascades
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a little bit later on in our presentation.
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I'm joined this morning by a PSRC alumnus.
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And operations chief and my right hand.
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I've been happy to work with Jeff at Cascadia.
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We are joined this morning by Chelsea Levy who
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helps lead the Cascadia high speed rail effort
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and Kathryn Murdoch who was helping
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to lead the communications and outreach
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efforts paramedic and finally?
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I'm also joined by Cecile and Aaron
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who helped lead the I-5 Master Plan development program.
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They will be available to answer any questions that you
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might have as we go forward.
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Next slide please?
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Thank you.
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What I am privileged to have the opportunity
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to lead in terms of the program and the professionals that
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have made up the program for a time
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and have really gotten us to the point where we are now
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is early planning for high speed rail and a master
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plan for the I-5 corridor under the Cascadia program.
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What we'd like to introduce today is the program
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and provide an overview of the high fat and high speed
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rail planning efforts the goal is
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to share where the projects are importantly.
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What the elements are that will make up
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the overarching multimodal program.
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The importance of each of the program areas
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and high speed rail and I-5 and Cascades working together.
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It's not an either or but an and effort
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to ensure we're developing multimodal connections
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and opportunities for those systems
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to work together and identify what the synergies are
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between those systems.
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Find ways to have them work together more efficiently
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to reduce congestion on the mainland corridor
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and the last move.
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People and goods we expect to in the coming years.
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Including an online open house and survey plan for October.
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I truly value your feedback as I said a unique opportunity for us
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to get the kind of input early in the project development
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process that allows us to get to what I believe
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to be the most critical part of any mega project
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and large infrastructure project development.
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Project certainty.
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The project definition at the very beginning
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of the design and development process.
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By the time we get to final design
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the environmental clearance and final design
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come the products you have is one
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that you can have a greater level of assurance on.
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Scope and budget and schedule which is the linchpin
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to delivering a program effectively.
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As it relates to the input we will reserve time
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at the end to make sure we can answer any questions
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that you have today.
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Next slide please.
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What is the Cascadia program.
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Cascade is helping to shape the future of transportation systems
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across the Cascadia Mega-region from Vancouver and Portland.
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We have a unique opportunity to look at I-5 and high speed
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rail within the context of the broader Megaregion and demands
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to be placed on a broader Megaregion.
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It's roughly spanning the British Columbia Washington
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Oregon area as one of North America's fastest growing
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regions as you all know.
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I'm sure you see that on a regular basis.
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As our region grows we're planning for transportation
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Recruitment's needed to keep people and goods moving safely
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and reliably.
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Next slide?
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These are numbers you are familiar with.
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We're looking at 2050 adding roughly 3.4 million
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more people to the Cascadia Megaregion between Vancouver
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and Portland.
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Continued economic growth is expected
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to be roughly 1.8 million new jobs to help support those 3.4
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million people.
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We need to find the tools to address the congestion that we
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are already experiencing.
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Anybody who has driven I-5?
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I had the opportunity to drive that corridor
[31:09]
since I was very young.
[31:11]
My mom lives here in Seattle and I'm
[31:13]
very happy to have an opportunity
[31:15]
to be here full time.
[31:18]
The impacts are already being filled.
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We have to address the expected impacts in the future.
[31:27]
Now not in the future.
[31:29]
Next slide please.
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Part of the impacts we want to address for the Cascadia program
[31:39]
effort is to ensure we are addressing the impacts
[31:42]
from transportation growth.
[31:45]
That cuts across so many areas certainly.
[31:48]
Environmental and quality of life and mobility
[31:52]
are all impacted by the level of congestion
[31:55]
on a critical quarter like I-5.
[31:59]
Freight traffic is expected to increase significantly by 2050.
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In Washington 80% of I-5 will operate
[32:07]
at a medium or high level of congestion.
[32:09]
We are already at almost 60%.
[32:13]
There are current needs that need
[32:18]
to be addressed along with significant future needs we
[32:21]
are facing.
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70% of I-5 will operate severe congestion by 2045.
[32:31]
The goal of the Cascadia program is to address the.
[32:38]
Next slide?
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Where your input is invaluable is
[32:46]
to ensure we understand the system
[32:47]
constraints we are facing.
[32:49]
We are preparing for this growth by looking at the constraints
[32:58]
that we are currently facing with congestion and delays
[33:01]
in unreliable travel times across highways and passenger
[33:05]
rail and air travel.
[33:07]
Airports are reaching significantly high congestion
[33:09]
levels as well.
[33:11]
Fundings from the market analysis
[33:14]
have also looked at how limited housing affects the way people
[33:17]
travel.
[33:18]
While we are not addressing housing as an issue
[33:21]
through our analysis and programs,
[33:24]
it is married to development patterns
[33:26]
and where people will live and the transportation system will
[33:31]
help determine how we provide mobility opportunities
[33:34]
for the added housing as we move forward.
[33:41]
We can actively plan for ways to make improvements to the system
[33:45]
and help address those challenges as we go forward.
[33:49]
Next slide?
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Approach is aimed at implementing
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system wide approach.
[33:59]
When trying to address needs that
[34:01]
were already being confronted.
[34:04]
I-5 is essential.
[34:06]
As we've seen on a regular basis we'll watch --
[34:12]
while they've done a great job trying to address those needs
[34:15]
and meaningful ways with other significant infrastructure
[34:19]
improvements in the region come it's still fragile system and it
[34:23]
needs help paramedic needs to be upgraded in many ways.
[34:28]
Part of the goal is to ensure we are identifying those needs
[34:32]
and addressing those state of good repair issues.
[34:36]
There are safety challenges we are confronted
[34:39]
by climate resilience issues.
[34:42]
It's going to arrive at a level of reliability for travelers
[34:47]
by improving the overall effectiveness of the system.
[34:53]
Next slide.
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The opportunity we have with the growth across the major regions,
[35:00]
trying to address these challenges
[35:03]
also creates a tremendous opportunity.
[35:05]
We have a chance to build a more resilient transportation
[35:09]
system that can strengthen the regional economy
[35:12]
and can support job growth and build a transportation system
[35:16]
that helps people get to where they can live work
[35:19]
and play much more effectively than they
[35:21]
are able to do so today.
[35:24]
As I said at the outset, the point
[35:28]
can be made here and the point that we'd
[35:31]
like you to keep in mind as you give us feedback about how
[35:34]
to move the program forward.
[35:36]
This is not an either or but looking
[35:39]
at all our transportation systems
[35:42]
region wide across the board.
[35:44]
High five and high speed rail and Amtrak and air
[35:47]
travel with the goal for me is to ensure that these systems are
[35:53]
working together and we find ways
[35:55]
that we identify the synergies between each transportation
[35:59]
mode.
[36:00]
We make clean and convenient timely connections for travelers
[36:04]
and they are attractive and encourage people
[36:07]
to get off the freeway and get on to a train
[36:11]
and get on to the local means of transportation that
[36:15]
will help address congestion issues we are facing at I-5.
[36:21]
Next slide.
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Here's our program schedule and the point
[36:26]
to be made as we expect to have both the service development
[36:29]
plan for high speed rail and the I-5 development plan completed
[36:34]
by 2028 and that is our current time frame.
[36:37]
That will give us the foundation upon which
[36:39]
to build for the future going forward next slide.
[36:48]
Briefly at the I-5 Master Plan itself.
[36:51]
Next slide.
[36:52]
The master plan is a long term high level plan
[36:56]
to address critical needs and maximize opportunities along I-5
[37:00]
and the plan will look at systems
[37:02]
and we'll look at the entire system
[37:04]
to identify programs and strategies
[37:06]
and progress to prioritize for implementation and funding.
[37:11]
The areas will help improve safety and mobility
[37:13]
and preservation and climate resiliency and system
[37:17]
performance.
[37:18]
Next slide.
[37:20]
That is where your input is going to be invaluable.
[37:24]
Of vision statement for the master plan
[37:27]
is to deliver a safe reliable and resilient system that
[37:29]
provides accessibility and multimodal travel options.
[37:35]
That key is connecting those modes.
[37:38]
Next slide.
[37:40]
The areas we will focus on through the master plan
[37:43]
as we are completing our analysis
[37:46]
include system resiliency and safety and mobility
[37:48]
and accessibility and equity and community and economic vitality
[37:52]
and innovation.
[37:54]
The projects that best meet the goals
[37:56]
will go through a scoring process and evaluation process
[37:59]
that we will talk about in the next couple of slides.
[38:02]
Projects that score the highest will be those prioritized for.
[38:06]
Next slide.
[38:10]
That is where the outreach comes in.
[38:14]
Getting in touch with the WSDOT and people
[38:19]
on the ground every day in the communities and MPOs
[38:21]
and the Tpos and certainly the tribes.
[38:26]
We had a webinar with tribal communities
[38:29]
this week to ensure that their voice is heard in this process
[38:32]
as we move it forward.
[38:34]
It shows the process we took in order
[38:36]
to gain a full picture of where we need to fill in the program.
[38:42]
The top layers of the graphic represent the I-5 system needs.
[38:47]
They were identified based on existing conditions and research
[38:51]
and your regional plans.
[38:53]
We heard through various listening sessions
[38:56]
and significant input on where the gaps currently exist.
[38:59]
We then compare the needs against all programs
[39:03]
and studies.
[39:04]
Their needs not addressed by the existing work
[39:09]
or classified as the gaps in the program.
[39:11]
We are developing a new proposed work program
[39:14]
to address the gaps the next step will
[39:16]
be to prioritize the existing plan work
[39:19]
and then he proposed work.
[39:21]
Next slide.
[39:23]
We established a prioritization process and the steps
[39:30]
are laid out here.
[39:31]
We will consider Real world factors
[39:33]
in the numbers can't alone capture.
[39:36]
Recommendation and master plan could
[39:38]
look like advancing interchange and project
[39:41]
to deliver nearby construction by combining the prioritization
[39:45]
data with practical and real world factors
[39:47]
combo we can compare I-5 Master Plan with recommendations
[39:50]
that will deliver maximized improvements to the I-5 system.
[39:56]
An important note for project is not
[40:00]
included on the prioritized list,
[40:01]
it doesn't mean the project is deleted or canceled or not taken
[40:06]
under further consideration especially
[40:08]
ones from existing project lists that
[40:11]
are already included with Tpps and other planning documents.
[40:16]
It means they have less impact on achieving the I-5 Master plan
[40:20]
goals we have set forth here and will specifically
[40:23]
be highlighted for accommodation in the master Plan.
[40:27]
Next slide.
[40:34]
Part of the approach, we compare projects
[40:39]
lists against the categories included here.
[40:41]
Not all categories are weighted equally.
[40:45]
Reflects priorities established through WSDOT .
[40:56]
We're asking whether it aligns to the regional transportation
[40:58]
plans and we'll be asking the same question of Mpls and Tpos
[41:02]
along the I-5 corridor in the coming months.
[41:05]
Your input will help us in several ways.
[41:08]
Will be able to make sure we have the right approach.
[41:11]
Will be able to confirm our understanding
[41:13]
of local priorities aligns with those of your communities.
[41:20]
I know we are coming up on time due to the high speed rail
[41:25]
program.
[41:26]
I want to make sure we have enough time for questions.
[41:33]
We are responding in large part to a federal grant
[41:38]
we received within the Federal Rail Administration in 2020 for.
[41:42]
Through the corridor Identification Development
[41:46]
program it was intended to study the feasibility
[41:48]
of new high speed rail lines connecting Vancouver BC, Seattle
[41:53]
and Portland.
[41:54]
The work results in the service development plan
[41:58]
that also analyzes how we can operate high speed rail
[42:03]
and potential ways to fund it.
[42:05]
The work is being done in partnership
[42:07]
with the Oregon Department of Transportation
[42:09]
as well as the Ministry of Transportation and Transit
[42:12]
and British Columbia.
[42:14]
Oregon Metro and Regional Council and Cascadia Innovation
[42:19]
Corridor.
[42:21]
The linchpin of this entire effort
[42:24]
is input from our partners.
[42:27]
Our expectation is you along with all the other partners
[42:32]
will be in the conversation.
[42:34]
And part of the development going forward.
[42:37]
Next slide?
[42:39]
It is important to highlight what the service development
[42:42]
plan is and what it isn't.
[42:45]
Let's talk about what that is.
[42:49]
It'll include an analysis of the potential routes
[42:51]
for where the high speed rail could operate.
[42:55]
I won't include a conceptual service option.
[42:58]
Like the number of train trips and stops potentially.
[43:03]
It can look at who can manage high speed rail
[43:07]
and how it can be funded.
[43:09]
They will be evaluated for further and more detailed
[43:12]
planning.
[43:13]
Next slide.
[43:16]
Our North Star and guiding principles for the program
[43:22]
laid out here, the plans guided by the six principles
[43:26]
and it was established in 2022 through a series
[43:28]
of collaborative efforts with British Columbia and Oregon
[43:32]
partners.
[43:35]
Apparently I've talked too long.
[43:41]
The principles include ways to connect the region
[43:45]
and provide advanced opportunities
[43:46]
to grow the economy and enhance infrastructure and use resources
[43:51]
efficiently and bring public and private partners together.
[43:55]
That's an important point as we develop program.
[43:59]
It's going to be important for us
[44:02]
as other high speed projects have done around the country
[44:05]
and around the world.
[44:07]
It can engage appropriately in the development
[44:11]
and importantly the funding of the program going forward.
[44:14]
We will look at those opportunities as well.
[44:17]
Next slide?
[44:19]
The service development plan is based on the draft purpose
[44:25]
and need we have identified.
[44:26]
As we move the project forward, we
[44:29]
are guided by the purpose in this statement.
[44:31]
We have shared the statement with federally recognized tribes
[44:34]
along the corridor, we are working together
[44:37]
feedback and input on a preliminary purpose
[44:41]
and need to ensure that it meets their interests
[44:45]
and concerns through the corridors that are developed.
[44:49]
Next slide?
[44:54]
The service development plan has begun
[44:58]
to isolate conceptual options for the proposed high speed rail
[45:04]
line between Portland and Vancouver.
[45:07]
The plan is developed in four phases.
[45:14]
Phase one is a broad study potential routes.
[45:16]
Phase two -- which we just completed and received approval
[45:20]
from the administration for the work we have done --
[45:23]
we narrowed the area down to a refined corridor.
[45:26]
The work beginning now in phase three
[45:30]
we'll start to identify potential route options which
[45:34]
you can see the black lines on the graphic
[45:37]
are more defined areas that incorporate
[45:39]
the more technical analysis and evaluation going forward.
[45:47]
We will consider conceptual designs and costs
[45:52]
and finance potential governance models and additional needs
[45:55]
to further refine the plan.
[46:01]
It'll mark the completion of the current planning and funding
[46:05]
phase of the program.
[46:07]
Next slide.
[46:08]
I will now turn it over to talk a little bit about cascade.
[46:16]
>> Thank you members of the board and good morning to you.
[46:19]
Jason and I'm the planning program manager
[46:23]
for the (indistinct).
[46:26]
A comment you received earlier today
[46:28]
was to get a presentation on Amtrak Cascades
[46:30]
and I'm here to fulfill that wish.
[46:33]
In the short interest of time, I kept my comments
[46:38]
and presentation brief we will be
[46:40]
covering planning the program as well as projects.
[46:43]
I have three slides for you today.
[46:47]
As many of you may know we have an update
[46:50]
to the rail plan currently happening.
[46:54]
We are focused on modal integration
[46:58]
like Ben has been talking about over the last few minutes
[47:00]
as well as looking to prepare the region and the corridor
[47:05]
for growth.
[47:06]
It includes historical data and current conditions
[47:09]
and future projections as well as
[47:11]
analysis of the performance and future
[47:14]
capacity of both passengers as will white whale.
[47:18]
It's a pretty comprehensive plan this time around.
[47:22]
The plan is nearing the final stages with development
[47:26]
and we expect to go out with the public and tribal review
[47:29]
for the State rail plan sometime at the end of the month.
[47:36]
We really value you and the input into the state rail plan.
[47:42]
Ben mentioned and spent a lot of time
[47:44]
talking about the service development plan.
[47:47]
The Cascades also received acceptance
[47:49]
into the Fras Corridor Identification program.
[47:52]
We're a little bit behind the high speed rail
[48:01]
where we haven't been accepted into the formal planning
[48:04]
process.
[48:04]
We're hopeful that we will soon get there.
[48:07]
The service development plan for us
[48:09]
once we are approved to move in advance into step two
[48:12]
is the blueprint for future capital improvements and service
[48:15]
changes over the next 20 years.
[48:22]
We were able to complete a preliminary service development
[48:27]
plan in December of 2024.
[48:30]
We will use it as a foundation once we are accepted and are
[48:35]
able to advance into the more formal planning
[48:37]
process for service development.
[48:42]
It is absolutely critical to identifying
[48:45]
improvements and investments necessary to expand service
[48:48]
in the future for entire corridor.
[48:55]
You may have heard about our new aero trainsets
[48:59]
earlier as well in the public comment period.
[49:02]
We are the launch customers of the manufacturer air Trainsets.
[49:08]
We are the first to receive eight
[49:11]
of 85 of these new trainsets.
[49:18]
Along with two new locomotives and extra
[49:23]
representative about $200 million in investment.
[49:27]
It will provide significantly improved seating capacity
[49:32]
from the capacity that we currently have
[49:34]
as well as passenger amenities and experience.
[49:38]
We'll be having improved seats and larger baggage
[49:43]
and bicycle capacity along with significantly improved Wi-Fi.
[49:50]
I'm excited to say that.
[49:53]
When we see you on the trains everybody
[49:55]
will get productive on the new Trainsets.
[50:01]
I think it's the first time we are announcing it publicly
[50:05]
and our new revenue service with the new Trainsets
[50:08]
begin at the end of the month.
[50:10]
September 30th.
[50:11]
That is exciting.
[50:12]
Breaking news for you all.
[50:15]
We conducted our corridor testing in July
[50:19]
and we need three brand new train sets before we
[50:22]
can start revenue service.
[50:25]
The first one arrived in July and we did the corridor testing.
[50:29]
It arrived in August and the third I
[50:32]
believe it's supposed to arrive in about 40 minutes and 30
[50:35]
minutes or so.
[50:40]
They start the revenue service September 30th.
[50:43]
We are excited for that and we will have a press events
[50:50]
and community events we can hire paramedic we will send out
[50:55]
invitations to VIPs and members of the public as well
[50:58]
as interest groups.
[51:02]
I'm very excited for the new service to start pretty soon.
[51:10]
This is the very first program that we
[51:13]
have instituted for array of facilities as well
[51:16]
as North America.
[51:17]
It started in June.
[51:23]
Self portion between Vancouver and BC.
[51:27]
It's been going swimmingly well and our passengers
[51:31]
love it and personnel to operate the system love it
[51:34]
with no issues of hiccups and it's
[51:36]
working flawlessly as expected.
[51:38]
Really great news on that front.
[51:41]
We will talk a little bit more about projects
[51:43]
in the next slide.
[51:44]
We have a suite of projects we are delivering.
[51:49]
Totaling about 450 million.
[51:52]
300 of that goes to the Seattle Maintenance facility.
[51:57]
This is the new facility you may have seen a little bit
[52:00]
south of here being constructed and this
[52:02]
will be able to maintain in-house new equipment arriving
[52:05]
on the corridor.
[52:06]
We have a $110 million bridge project.
[52:12]
A rehabilitates the balance and enables
[52:16]
to ensure that freight and passenger rail traffic
[52:22]
continues to move on that segment.
[52:24]
But it also ensures that Maritime navigation is also
[52:30]
operating properly underneath the bridge.
[52:33]
That's a pretty important program for the region.
[52:35]
A few more items. $12 million in landslide mitigation projects.
[52:41]
We do still see landslide events happen on the corridor.
[52:45]
We are continuing to mitigate those.
[52:47]
Just about $13 million in track equipment improvements
[52:51]
there as well.
[52:54]
They recently announced awards under the National Railroad
[52:58]
Partnership Program in Washington state
[53:01]
was not necessarily highlighted in that.
[53:03]
We were recipients in the recent award where we will be receiving
[53:08]
two additional train sets.
[53:15]
We are receiving a portion of that award
[53:18]
with two additional train sets.
[53:24]
It is a life enhancement project and this gives us funding
[53:30]
to continue to maintain our charger locomotive.
[53:36]
We pledged our maintenance dollars against the application
[53:41]
and in turn what we're getting out
[53:43]
of that is a savings in Washington taxpayers
[53:47]
to the tune of about $30 million.
[53:49]
That is a very good award we also
[53:52]
received paramedics legislature asked us to continue
[53:56]
to seek federal funding.
[53:58]
We have three applications currently
[54:00]
with the federal government that is continued funding on Amtrak
[54:06]
Cascades corridor.
[54:08]
Ben talked about congestion on the highway
[54:11]
and there was absolutely congestion on the roadway.
[54:19]
The Washington Oregon border for Vancouver railyard.
[54:24]
Another application for landslide continued mitigation.
[54:28]
I will turn it back over to Ben but I
[54:31]
do hope to see you in our new train sets
[54:34]
are coming up pretty soon.
[54:39]
>> From a timing standpoint, the development plan for high speed
[54:42]
rail could not be in a better position to build on what Jason
[54:46]
just described.
[54:47]
But the improvements that Cascades
[54:50]
will be making with the mind toward expanding their services,
[54:55]
it is a great time to build on what
[54:58]
the future will and the region will look like.
[55:01]
Next slide?
[55:03]
If you take nothing away anything else away
[55:07]
from our discussion today, your input is vital to us.
[55:13]
We want to emphasize how important your feedback is
[55:17]
throughout this efforts.
[55:19]
With that in mind we have a few upcoming opportunities
[55:23]
that will give you that opportunity
[55:27]
to provide your input to the program.
[55:29]
On September 21st, we will host the Washington Local Agency
[55:33]
Program webinar and we invite you to join us there to learn
[55:37]
more about the program and have, we share the invitation with
[55:44]
Kelly.
[55:45]
The connection and information will be made
[55:48]
available to the Commission.
[55:51]
In October, we are hosting an online open house website
[55:55]
and survey for the public and we will also
[55:57]
share that invite with Kelly going forward.
[56:01]
Those will be community wide broad opportunities
[56:05]
for the public and other stakeholders
[56:08]
to weigh into the program and provide comments
[56:12]
on where we are with the program and the interest going forward.
[56:17]
We will look to schedule those kinds of opportunities
[56:20]
on a regular basis as we advance the program forward.
[56:24]
You can stay up to date by signing up for our regular email
[56:30]
updates by communicating to the email and contact information
[56:35]
that you see here.
[56:36]
If you have any questions or would like additional feedback,
[56:41]
feel free to reach out to any of the program members
[56:45]
and certainly myself and any members of our team
[56:48]
and we would be happy to provide updates to provide this and more
[56:54]
details to any members of the SRC and their surrounding
[57:02]
communities.
[57:02]
We will be reaching out to Npos and our.
[57:05]
We want to cast as wide a net as we possibly can.
[57:11]
Communication is key and we will look forward
[57:14]
to your ongoing participation in this effort as we go forward.
[57:20]
Building the solutions we are seeking
[57:22]
to achieve through this program are
[57:24]
going to be built on the kind of feedback
[57:27]
that we get as we develop the program.
[57:30]
That is our presentation.
[57:32]
We are certainly happy to entertain
[57:35]
any questions we appreciate the opportunity to share
[57:37]
the program with you and we truly appreciate your time.
[57:41]
Thank you.
[57:43]
>> Thank you so much for the presentation.
[57:45]
We appreciate the updates on this very important projects
[57:48]
as well as the breaking news.
[57:50]
And the help of the work plan.
[57:53]
A lot of things accomplished in the presentation
[57:55]
and I will turn it over to questions.
[57:57]
I see Commissioner Boseman first followed by Mayor Moriwaki.
[58:04]
>> Comprehensive and interesting.
[58:06]
Challenging and all of those things.
[58:10]
I'm assuming this plan is based on some kind of population
[58:14]
growth in the next 20 to 25 years.
[58:22]
Can you share what the data looks like?
[58:25]
>> Thank you for the question.
[58:26]
We are looking at 3.4 million additional population
[58:30]
in what we're calling the mega which
[58:33]
is an area that extends between Portland and Vancouver BC.
[58:37]
3.4 million people in the corridor.
[58:41]
1.8 million additional jobs in the corridor.
[58:45]
The impacts from that level of growth will be significant.
[58:49]
Both the development and the projects
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and prioritization of the projects identified
[58:55]
through the I-5 master planning efforts
[58:58]
as well as the future development
[59:01]
of rail in the regions.
[59:15]
We can provide options for that increasing public.
[59:22]
>> If the level of growth is realized,
[59:24]
does the program get us to, I want to use the generic wording.
[59:33]
Does it get us a better quality of life
[59:38]
than we are currently experiencing
[59:40]
with the population we have?
[59:48]
>> That is certainly the goal of the planned improvements from
[59:51]
the programs that we are able to identify mobility strategies
[59:56]
and transportation infrastructure projects
[59:59]
and resources that allow that increased population and give
[1:00:03]
that increased population the choices.
[1:00:07]
The transportation and mobility choices
[1:00:09]
to be able to have a quality of life that doesn't require
[1:00:15]
sitting in a car on I-5 for three hours or limits
[1:00:18]
their ability to take transit because the connections
[1:00:21]
between transit services aren't timely.
[1:00:24]
Or the services are not readily available for them to take.
[1:00:29]
The goal from congestion reduction and climate greenhouse
[1:00:32]
gas improvements perspective is to provide options for people
[1:00:38]
to make choices that serve their needs
[1:00:42]
and improve the quality of their life on a regular Last question.
[1:00:49]
We are one of the most expensive states in the country.
[1:00:51]
The cost of housing is we know is very high.
[1:00:55]
If that population prediction doesn't hold true and 25
[1:01:01]
years from now we have an experience,
[1:01:11]
is there a plan for don't experience that kind of growth?
[1:01:16]
>> The challenge to planning for that level of growth
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in my experience is really that the best time to plan for that
[1:01:24]
level of growth is well in advance of the need for it.
[1:01:30]
We are going to provide the transportation improvements
[1:01:33]
and options as I mentioned for our communities and neighbors
[1:01:39]
to ensure they have mobility options.
[1:01:42]
The more prevalent the options the more
[1:01:47]
of an opportunity that they have to take electric trains.
[1:01:54]
More prevalent and widespread transit options
[1:01:58]
and better bus services and higher density bus
[1:02:01]
services up and down the I-5 corridor
[1:02:04]
rather than having to drive alone in your car.
[1:02:07]
To provide the services and still
[1:02:10]
improve the overall quality of life
[1:02:11]
whether we meet the population goals or not.
[1:02:14]
>> I agree with that.
[1:02:16]
I'm old enough to remember when we voted down forward thrust
[1:02:20]
back in the 70s and early 80s.
[1:02:25]
The federal government wanted to fund
[1:02:28]
75% of the light rail system.
[1:02:31]
I'm supportive of trying to get out in front of things
[1:02:34]
before we meet them.
[1:02:36]
Thank you.
[1:02:38]
>> Thank you Commissioner.
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Mayor Maruoka?
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>> We're bumping against time so I'm sorry for this.
[1:02:44]
It'll be comments rather than questions.
[1:02:46]
To dovetail with my colleague Commissioner Boozman
[1:02:49]
said come a remind ourselves that that
[1:02:52]
paid for Marta in Atlanta and they took the money
[1:02:55]
and we missed the 10% chance.
[1:02:57]
Great presentation and I hope more Powerpoint presentations
[1:03:01]
are shared with the rest of us.
[1:03:03]
This is deja Vu for me.
[1:03:05]
In 97 I was a transit employee number 43
[1:03:09]
when we started the project.
[1:03:11]
Getting through the major Santa Fe lines was a major problem.
[1:03:17]
To some of the public speakers and comments,
[1:03:20]
they have it right.
[1:03:22]
They were private railways but they were existing.
[1:03:25]
We look at the corridor as part of the corridor.
[1:03:29]
But the Burlington Northern system
[1:03:31]
is a gigantic network going all the way down to Texas
[1:03:34]
and up to North Dakota.
[1:03:35]
When you look at the map it's one little tiny corner
[1:03:39]
of the passageway.
[1:03:41]
Getting the Amtrak as you know in South Transit
[1:03:44]
to get the corridors available so
[1:03:46]
that the freight and all of that can coordinate
[1:03:49]
was a real undertaking.
[1:03:50]
It's going to be a challenge and I
[1:03:52]
appreciate two things you said in your presentation
[1:03:54]
from the start.
[1:03:56]
There is no single solution and there's no quick fix for I-5
[1:03:59]
and I really want to hope you prioritize these projects
[1:04:04]
because it's expensive.
[1:04:06]
The big problem all of you, we look at our planning
[1:04:10]
and transportation and we have been
[1:04:12]
screwed we've been screwed on urban planning transportation
[1:04:19]
with having our dentist corridor be
[1:04:21]
in the middle of the hourglass.
[1:04:23]
Everything is starting to rush into that middle.
[1:04:28]
These are great maps but they are a map on a line.
[1:04:31]
How do you get a new corridor?
[1:04:33]
I'd like to remind people how much it costs
[1:04:36]
and that's a short section to get I-99 underground.
[1:04:39]
It's going to be about that size and it's
[1:04:43]
going to be something of a step size to get it it through.
[1:04:47]
There are real monetary issues that
[1:04:49]
may make it unfeasible to do.
[1:04:53]
We can invest those monies in other alternatives in which
[1:04:55]
the speakers have pointed out could be better ways to enhance.
[1:04:58]
I would really like to see it.
[1:05:02]
The real world of transportation is what is doable
[1:05:08]
and what you want in a perfect world.
[1:05:12]
And what is doable.
[1:05:13]
As you as the State of Washington
[1:05:18]
knows, the traffic in the Amtrak, you are doing the same.
[1:05:22]
I think this approach is a good.
[1:05:24]
It's a feasibility study and I understand that.
[1:05:26]
Hopefully some of the questions I raised
[1:05:28]
will be answered in your study.
[1:05:30]
The real world part is the part that I
[1:05:32]
think has to be addressed because
[1:05:34]
of our physical constraints as a region.
[1:05:37]
The topography we have and the real estate.
[1:05:41]
You can't simply draw a line.
[1:05:44]
Unlike China and other places, they have eminent domain
[1:05:47]
and they just do it and they don't need environmental reviews
[1:05:50]
and they don't need to compensate property owners.
[1:05:55]
When you look at their systems, they can do it
[1:05:59]
and they don't have the system we have and we respect property
[1:06:02]
rights and environmental issues.
[1:06:03]
They do a plan and they do it and that
[1:06:06]
is why they can do it so fast.
[1:06:10]
We in the United States have to compare with other nations that
[1:06:14]
can do it so much more quickly because of political systems
[1:06:18]
and their respect for the property.
[1:06:25]
I really appreciate your presentation and your time
[1:06:28]
and I'm looking forward to seeing how this progresses.
[1:06:33]
>> Thank you, Commissioner Murakami.
[1:06:35]
Your point about China's correct in terms
[1:06:39]
of the lack of challenges they have in building the system.
[1:06:43]
The one thing they did do that we can do.
[1:06:46]
They invested $300 billion into their high speed rail system.
[1:06:50]
They have over 24,000 miles of high speed rail that is
[1:06:54]
operational.
[1:06:55]
That's been done within the last decade.
[1:06:59]
>> That's true.
[1:07:00]
I've been to Japan and you've been to China.
[1:07:03]
When you built the elevated system, we're in the hourglass
[1:07:06]
can you squeeze that?
[1:07:10]
>> You are right.
[1:07:11]
There are challenges and that's what
[1:07:13]
we hope to identify through this process.
[1:07:17]
>> I did want to point out that the Powerpoint is already
[1:07:20]
available or will be shortly online so you will be able
[1:07:23]
to access that on the PSRC.
[1:07:27]
I will turn to Council Member Walker
[1:07:29]
and we will go into the room with Council member
[1:07:32]
Arnold followed by Council member Payne.
[1:07:35]
>> Thank you for the presentation.
[1:07:37]
It is really exciting stuff.
[1:07:43]
Incredibly complex as we get down
[1:07:45]
into the details of stations and routes and things like that.
[1:07:48]
I appreciate the overview and a couple of quick things.
[1:07:52]
I appreciate seeing the criteria in there
[1:07:54]
for the multimodal access and target zero.
[1:07:58]
I wanted to flag it and I really appreciate seeing that in there.
[1:08:03]
It all connects to local systems.
[1:08:06]
I want to make sure it continues to stay in there.
[1:08:10]
A couple comments and questions about how it connects with sound
[1:08:15]
Transit's.
[1:08:16]
I'm sure you know this but I didn't see on the slide
[1:08:20]
the sounder as one of the pieces that we are considering
[1:08:26]
of the other operations.
[1:08:28]
We had high five and Amtrak.
[1:08:31]
Flagging that and I'm sure you are also very aware.
[1:08:35]
We are doing a lot of work around grade train crossings
[1:08:42]
and I'm curious if that is a further phase
[1:08:46]
or if it's more in the weeds or something
[1:08:49]
you were talking about.
[1:08:50]
I imagine the grade crossings for high speed rail
[1:08:54]
bring on more of the same and potentially more dangerous
[1:08:58]
crossings as we go through our communities.
[1:09:04]
>> That is exactly right.
[1:09:05]
Grade crossings for high speed rail are not preferred
[1:09:09]
and they create some significant challenges.
[1:09:11]
Those evaluations will be made for in the future.
[1:09:15]
The initial phase as we described
[1:09:18]
is about identifying what the routes might be.
[1:09:23]
Once they were identified and once we were together
[1:09:26]
to narrow down those routes and determine the best
[1:09:30]
place to pursue higher speed or high speed rail
[1:09:35]
and serve as, at that point we can determine whether or not how
[1:09:39]
the routes have been identified perhaps linked to the cascade
[1:09:44]
and perhaps develop a blended service as you may be aware.
[1:09:49]
The California system has a large section
[1:09:52]
of their proposed system that is in blended service
[1:09:56]
with a local Caltrain community rail service that
[1:10:00]
extends for roughly 80 miles along the San Francisco
[1:10:03]
Peninsula.
[1:10:03]
There may be opportunities to have blended service on existing
[1:10:07]
corridors where it makes sense.
[1:10:09]
Our analysis is going to work to leave virtually no stone
[1:10:13]
unturned and we will identify what those are.
[1:10:16]
The separations are front and center
[1:10:18]
and trying to minimize them and it's greatly
[1:10:25]
affected by the grade separations
[1:10:28]
and federal guidelines prevent you
[1:10:31]
from going beyond 110 really to 125 miles an hour.
[1:10:38]
If a corridor is not fully separated and we have the grade
[1:10:43]
crossing.
[1:10:44]
It's important to the actual operation of the system
[1:10:46]
to ensure you minimize those as much as possible.
[1:10:50]
That will be part of our analysis.
[1:10:54]
>> I appreciate the opportunities for folks to check
[1:10:56]
in and for staff if you don't mind sending those out
[1:11:00]
separately so we can share them with our constituents.
[1:11:03]
That'll be great.
[1:11:06]
>> Thank you Council member.
[1:11:07]
Council member Arnold.
[1:11:10]
>> One question for Ben and one for Jason.
[1:11:15]
You mentioned the prioritization and approach
[1:11:18]
from the master plan.
[1:11:21]
Revenue generating opportunities part of that?
[1:11:24]
I look at I405, express toll lanes have improved mobility
[1:11:29]
and provided revenue stream for future improvements
[1:11:31]
and has been used to build transit infrastructures
[1:11:35]
and support transit today.
[1:11:36]
I wonder if that is part of the thing you were looking at here.
[1:11:42]
>> I will look to my team to get a head nod.
[1:11:48]
It's not part of the initial assessment
[1:11:51]
but I will tell you I'm a big fan of congestion pricing.
[1:11:54]
There are systems around the country that through revenue
[1:12:01]
generating systems and express lanes and the like
[1:12:04]
have been able to generate enough revenue
[1:12:06]
before they operate the local guardrail systems.
[1:12:09]
There's not a significant amount of revenue
[1:12:12]
that comes from those sources.
[1:12:14]
Once we establish priorities you all will help us identify,
[1:12:19]
either project has been included and has
[1:12:22]
been under consideration was considering
[1:12:24]
or of any generating option.
[1:12:26]
That'll be part of it.
[1:12:29]
Or to potentially seek revenue generating opportunities
[1:12:33]
once the projects are identified more or less.
[1:12:43]
>> Is there a way to tell which train set is operating as you
[1:12:46]
are making a reservation?
[1:12:48]
>> Yes.
[1:12:50]
>> We already have at least one writer.
[1:12:55]
>> You'll be able to see that.
[1:12:58]
With the three train sets.
[1:13:00]
The way it'll work out with the three sets
[1:13:03]
is one set will run the Seattle Vancouver route
[1:13:07]
and they will stay on that route.
[1:13:09]
The second set will run the Seattle Portland route
[1:13:13]
and will stay for that segment.
[1:13:16]
The third train set will be reserved as spare.
[1:13:19]
The rest of the train sets will come in phases
[1:13:23]
and all eight should be coming to the corridor by December.
[1:13:26]
As we get the train sets in we'll
[1:13:29]
introduce them into the service.
[1:13:33]
>> Thank you for asking that question.
[1:13:34]
I had the same thought.
[1:13:36]
I want to ride on the train.
[1:13:40]
>> I want the good train.
[1:13:45]
>> The representative for Community Transit looking
[1:13:50]
forward to having that come through town.
[1:13:53]
The comments that come from community transit
[1:13:57]
is interested in the coordination and engagement
[1:14:00]
pieces that are very supportive.
[1:14:02]
I know in the interest of time, one of the data
[1:14:08]
sets that I find very interesting that I'm
[1:14:11]
starting to hear about.
[1:14:13]
The population for workforce is now starting to travel
[1:14:19]
and the growing number is more than 50 miles from home
[1:14:24]
to their works.
[1:14:26]
That is critical for housing and super critical
[1:14:30]
that we are looking at in terms of transportation needs
[1:14:34]
and getting transportation opportunity.
[1:14:40]
In your pursuit of looking at how direct
[1:14:44]
service happens for the public.
[1:14:52]
It's more interesting for us to travel and collect data.
[1:14:59]
It's going to be the next big burden.
[1:15:02]
I appreciate the presentation and thank you for all this work.
[1:15:05]
It is very exciting.
[1:15:07]
I appreciate the opportunities for engagement
[1:15:10]
and I have signed up using your excellent QR code so thank you.
[1:15:16]
>> Which you described is really the driver of analyzing
[1:15:20]
the Megaregion.
[1:15:21]
It isn't just about Vancouver or Seattle or Portland.
[1:15:25]
It is everything in between.
[1:15:28]
If you correctly identified, they
[1:15:33]
have housing resources and opportunities to live well
[1:15:36]
outside the city limits.
[1:15:37]
At the moment we have limited options for them to do that.
[1:15:42]
We need to be about the business of ensuring we identified
[1:15:46]
and are providing the future resources where they can make
[1:15:50]
that trip and they won't be on I-5 for hours
[1:15:53]
at a time losing days stuck in traffic.
[1:16:05]
It was a menu of transportation projects and resources.
[1:16:11]
>> That will include some of the Empire Builder that includes
[1:16:14]
a piece of the mountains.
[1:16:17]
>> We are focusing on the north south corridor.
[1:16:20]
It doesn't just include further connections outside of Cascadia.
[1:16:30]
>> I really appreciate that.
[1:16:31]
Thank you for all the information.
[1:16:34]
>> Thank you.
[1:16:34]
I think you kind of touched on this in your last comments.
[1:16:37]
I'm wondering how connections focusing
[1:16:40]
on the corridor of the spine of I-5.
[1:16:44]
The connections to the greater region.
[1:16:47]
You talk about more how the layers are woven in.
[1:16:52]
>> To the commissioner's point about east -- actions ,
[1:16:59]
that'll be developed outside of this process.
[1:17:01]
What we want to ensure we are doing
[1:17:03]
is we're going through the service and development
[1:17:06]
plan on rail and the master plan on the I-5 side
[1:17:08]
is creating opportunities for those connections.
[1:17:11]
We want the modes to work together
[1:17:13]
and we want them to establish connections
[1:17:16]
between the freeway and transit stations and other locations.
[1:17:21]
A high volume service on the freeway
[1:17:25]
that can serve multimodal stations adjacent to the freeway
[1:17:29]
that give opportunities for transit
[1:17:31]
oriented development and housing in and around those transit
[1:17:35]
facilities.
[1:17:36]
We established a foundation to connect the resources
[1:17:39]
on a regular basis.
[1:17:41]
Whatever the future suite of projects
[1:17:44]
are that we identify whether it is light rail at the local level
[1:17:48]
or regional rail with a cascade for future high speed rail,
[1:17:52]
we're all ending up in the same place
[1:17:54]
and we get the opportunity for our traveling community
[1:17:57]
to make the choice that they need
[1:18:00]
to serve their needs because they are available to them.
[1:18:04]
They can catch a high speed train
[1:18:06]
to get to Vancouver and a cascade
[1:18:08]
to get to some interim station paramedic they
[1:18:11]
can get on local light rail and it is all a one stop shop.
[1:18:20]
>> Rights.
[1:18:20]
Ben and Jason thank you so much for the presentation.
[1:18:22]
You can tell there's a lot of interest and energy
[1:18:25]
around the rail transportation and the projects we
[1:18:28]
have got already in existence and the planning process.
[1:18:31]
We really appreciate the update.
[1:18:33]
Thank you for joining us.
[1:18:35]
>> We are happy to come back at any time.
[1:18:37]
So thank you.
[1:18:39]
>> Thank you for your patience this morning.
[1:18:41]
Lots of questions and we love that conversation.
[1:18:44]
Without any other introduction I will turn it over to you
[1:18:47]
for the regional transit and Access Assessment tool.
[1:18:51]
>> I a program manager at Transportation Planning
[1:18:54]
and Ssrc.
[1:18:54]
I will give you a brief update on the regional Transit
[1:18:58]
access planning work and development of tool.
[1:19:02]
I will start off with a brief background
[1:19:04]
on the regional Transit Access tool and the history
[1:19:06]
we had with the work.
[1:19:08]
And then we will talk about -- we have a regional assessment
[1:19:12]
completed.
[1:19:12]
I will give a quick touch on the regional analysis results
[1:19:16]
and we will have it up on the website
[1:19:19]
and we will do an overview of the tool and the new website
[1:19:22]
for developing to replace the one we have today
[1:19:24]
to talk about some next steps.
[1:19:26]
And in progress presentation on this work.
[1:19:30]
It is a reminder.
[1:19:32]
This came out of our last RTP before the one adopted in May.
[1:19:36]
We have some existing trans access
[1:19:39]
work that we are doing and worked and released in 2016.
[1:19:44]
There was a call to action to develop an update tools
[1:19:47]
and resources to help identify where access to transit
[1:19:50]
can be improved particularly for bicyclists and pedestrians
[1:19:53]
Paronychia increasing the cost for a lot of growth
[1:19:56]
in the regional growth centers and high capacity transit
[1:19:59]
centers.
[1:19:59]
Those are important modes for that.
[1:20:01]
This call to action is we really do
[1:20:04]
want to make sure people in the region
[1:20:06]
as we are expanding the rail system and bus system
[1:20:10]
and transit system in our region as we are growing.
[1:20:13]
We want to make sure all the people moving here and living
[1:20:17]
here and working here have access to the mobility being
[1:20:21]
provided by the transit.
[1:20:23]
We define transit access very broadly.
[1:20:26]
We are touching briefly on their.
[1:20:30]
The growth I mentioned earlier and the ability for people
[1:20:33]
to walk back from places of work and places they live.
[1:20:41]
Access and drop off pickup modes which I will characterize,
[1:20:47]
biking mobility service, scooter share, transit and Microtransit
[1:20:51]
or specialized transportation.
[1:20:53]
Are both parking supply and management is part of that.
[1:20:59]
>> As a reminder, we do have existing transit access tools
[1:21:03]
and resources .
[1:21:08]
They are vintage 2016.
[1:21:10]
I will warn you.
[1:21:12]
They are very still relevant and there's
[1:21:14]
a little bit you can tell we have
[1:21:16]
updates to things since then.
[1:21:18]
But two pieces are illustrated on the right hand side .
[1:21:30]
there is a variety of questions to ask and let's see if we
[1:21:34]
can answer some suggestions.
[1:21:35]
I think it's about 38 questions in total so quite a bit
[1:21:39]
and a comprehensive overview with what your needs are.
[1:21:43]
It leads you to a toolkit that identifies the strategies
[1:21:45]
to help you address the needs.
[1:21:47]
Those are about 64 strategies across eight strategic areas.
[1:21:53]
A very robust and wide ranging set of information.
[1:21:57]
We started the work off back in 2023
[1:22:00]
with an assessment of the existing transit access tools
[1:22:03]
and what we can do to improve the impairment
[1:22:05]
we created an ad hoc group that covered
[1:22:08]
a variety of different kinds of transit access modes
[1:22:11]
and services.
[1:22:12]
We came up with recommendations and the thing
[1:22:15]
I will talk to you about most clearly
[1:22:18]
addresses the top bullet operating the tool
[1:22:21]
to help local agencies more easily
[1:22:23]
access the transit access needs and opportunities to address
[1:22:28]
those.
[1:22:28]
38 questions with a variety of data sources
[1:22:31]
leading to 64 strategies.
[1:22:35]
The evaluation of the work and talking to people using this
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is a little bit more complicated to take some time to do that.
[1:22:43]
But go with this at heart was to help automate that
[1:22:46]
and to streamline that a little bit more
[1:22:49]
creating things like web maps and ability
[1:22:51]
to look at things a little bit more interactively.
[1:22:55]
It includes the continuation of clear comprehensive information
[1:22:58]
on roles and responsibilities.
[1:23:00]
It is a shared responsibility not just transit agencies
[1:23:06]
and local jurisdictions.
[1:23:08]
It is a shared responsibility of others.
[1:23:13]
Integrating new and emerging themes.
[1:23:15]
This is where the 2016 data may see a little bit older.
[1:23:18]
The example I like to use is Microtransit
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at that time is very much a pilot
[1:23:23]
project among the agencies and all the different agency
[1:23:27]
long range plans in the region really
[1:23:29]
to encompass and incorporate more of a plan of expanding
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Microtransit.
[1:23:33]
Being able to address those types of things that were not
[1:23:37]
more nascent back in 2016 and in play
[1:23:41]
these days incorporating the work we have done
[1:23:45]
on equitable engagement and outreach to ensure we have
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and everybody in the community is
[1:23:50]
able to work together and get access to the transit
[1:23:53]
system that is expanding.
[1:23:58]
The methodology we came up with and we
[1:24:00]
work with the consultants and I'll
[1:24:02]
give a shout out helping us in the development of this tool.
[1:24:07]
And our data.
[1:24:09]
The service departments here.
[1:24:12]
We are looking at a tool that is map based tool illustrated
[1:24:16]
here that uses the census block groups in the region
[1:24:19]
and this is also the methodology that is focused on regional data
[1:24:23]
sources that we have access to.
[1:24:26]
It was here we were developing the tools
[1:24:29]
for 2016 and there was information about data needs
[1:24:31]
and you can do a lot of work and digging into
[1:24:34]
and collecting more data and getting more granular.
[1:24:38]
We have data at the regional level and we keep it updated
[1:24:41]
and it's not a transportation plan in the day to day board.
[1:24:46]
Using data sources we have to maintain is really key here.
[1:24:50]
We develop regional thresholds to determine applicable transit
[1:24:53]
access needs across the region recognizing we have
[1:24:56]
a large and complex region.
[1:24:59]
We have an opportunity and ability for local agencies
[1:25:02]
to download the regional data from the tool
[1:25:05]
to be able to overlay that on a local networks
[1:25:08]
to be able to identify is the regional need really something
[1:25:12]
in my area that I need to access at my local bus
[1:25:15]
stop and nearby transit center?
[1:25:18]
Other needs that are lower showing
[1:25:21]
on the regional need assessment that'll be more appropriate?
[1:25:25]
The ability to allow locals to ground truth
[1:25:29]
the regional assessment and regional thresholds
[1:25:31]
with their local data is really important.
[1:25:36]
The slide really goes into a little bit of detail
[1:25:38]
about the different elements of transit access assessment using
[1:25:42]
the regional data that we have.
[1:25:44]
The four bullets all come from the work we have done
[1:25:49]
and the regional transportation plan.
[1:25:51]
Even the transit service information does as well.
[1:25:55]
The pedestrian network completion
[1:25:57]
relies on the regional sidewalk network
[1:25:59]
and bicycle level of traffic stress
[1:26:01]
was developed in the regional plan based
[1:26:03]
in part on the bicycle infrastructure
[1:26:06]
as well as incorporating additional work
[1:26:08]
and the assistance of the Bpac and the direct pathways
[1:26:12]
to transit stops.
[1:26:15]
When we have the Northgate to let rail station it was open.
[1:26:23]
There was an area for people walking and biking west of I-5
[1:26:26]
and they couldn't get here until we had the pedestrian overpass.
[1:26:29]
That's the kind of thing that will be addressed
[1:26:33]
through the direct pathways.
[1:26:40]
We do an assessment of areas and more urban places
[1:26:45]
and how many of those needs are associated with them.
[1:26:49]
Giving an assessment of that.
[1:26:52]
We make use of the transit service assessment in the table
[1:26:55]
of right hand side shows that.
[1:26:58]
These are the transit service types
[1:27:00]
identified in the Regional Transportation
[1:27:02]
plan along with the associated density thresholds.
[1:27:05]
Those activity units were including a combination
[1:27:08]
of residences and jobs.
[1:27:09]
You can see from the local service
[1:27:13]
that you have to have at least seven activity units per acre
[1:27:17]
with what the local service defined as two busses per hour
[1:27:21]
during the main part of the day.
[1:27:23]
We also have all day service getting at the evenings
[1:27:27]
and mornings and middays.
[1:27:29]
The frequent service allowing you to show up and go
[1:27:32]
as well as high capacity transit for the rail
[1:27:35]
and various things like that.
[1:27:37]
That assessment helps assess whether or not
[1:27:40]
there's a need for transit.
[1:27:44]
The service need associated with that.
[1:27:47]
Those are areas that are not close enough for walking
[1:27:51]
and biking and rolling.
[1:27:52]
You need to rely upon other services
[1:27:55]
and being able to drive and park at the transit network for that.
[1:27:59]
That's looking at things like I mentioned
[1:28:01]
earlier the Microtransit and specialized transportation
[1:28:04]
where you need more parking to make sure we have enough parking
[1:28:08]
or are you managing the parking to make
[1:28:10]
it as efficient as possible as we are doing in the region
[1:28:13]
already?
[1:28:13]
That's all the elements included in this.
[1:28:17]
I will touch really briefly and we
[1:28:20]
have a regional transit access assessment that
[1:28:22]
will be placed with the tool.
[1:28:24]
This is a sneak peak at some of that to share an example here.
[1:28:29]
It shows 45% of the region has a need associated
[1:28:33]
with pedestrian network completion based
[1:28:36]
upon our regional sidewalk network.
[1:28:41]
The assessment will break down into region and geography.
[1:28:45]
Metro cities and cities in the region and that pedestrian need
[1:28:50]
is a lot less.
[1:28:51]
The areas tend to be built up and developed
[1:28:54]
and they have sidewalk networks and you look at the rural areas
[1:28:57]
there's a much higher need and they tend not
[1:28:59]
to be sidewalks in those areas.
[1:29:01]
That is kind of like --
[1:29:03]
it gives you a flavor of the kinds of needs associated.
[1:29:06]
These are regional needs based on regional data and thresholds.
[1:29:10]
We have that opportunity and the ability
[1:29:12]
to download the information.
[1:29:15]
This is an outline of what will be coming soon.
[1:29:19]
Transit access webpage will replace the information
[1:29:22]
that I was mentioning earlier.
[1:29:24]
Include the transit access Assessment
[1:29:27]
report I mentioned earlier.
[1:29:28]
I will include a story map and I will show a couple of slides
[1:29:31]
from a little bit of a preview of that
[1:29:35]
and a couple of slides here.
[1:29:36]
The story map on how to use the tool
[1:29:38]
and incorporate the strategies.
[1:29:39]
We thought just having the tools themselves
[1:29:41]
and the strategies as we do now is helpful.
[1:29:44]
But the story map will be useful to encourage people
[1:29:47]
who are new to this service to be able to look at it
[1:29:51]
and help them interpret how to use the tool to identify needs
[1:29:54]
and how to connect those needs to strategies.
[1:29:57]
It will also give a little bit of guidance
[1:29:59]
on how to download the data to your local system
[1:30:02]
as I was mentioning earlier.
[1:30:04]
The tool itself was the map I shared earlier.
[1:30:07]
Showed an overview of it.
[1:30:09]
We have a current system view similar to what
[1:30:12]
we had from the regional transportation
[1:30:14]
plan from the current system element of that.
[1:30:17]
2050 plan system was also part of that.
[1:30:21]
2050 system will be able to show the growth
[1:30:23]
that we have assuming from vision 2050 and the Plan Transit
[1:30:27]
network, where will the need still be in the future
[1:30:33]
and where will the opportunities be to improve in the future.
[1:30:37]
The document for transit access strategies and we
[1:30:40]
will have options to address those needs.
[1:30:42]
This is a little bit of a sneak peek of what
[1:30:45]
the story map will look like.
[1:30:48]
It is a visual kind of tool here that will give you icons
[1:30:52]
and walks you through the six steps here.
[1:31:01]
Number two is the current system tool
[1:31:03]
itself based upon 2020 information that we collected.
[1:31:07]
At sq.
[1:31:08]
Number three is the Future System tool
[1:31:11]
and I mentioned what that concludes
[1:31:13]
and that is looking out into the future so you can both compare.
[1:31:16]
I have a need today but what my needs in future
[1:31:19]
be addressed in part particularly where
[1:31:21]
I am transit service and things like that to the planned work
[1:31:24]
already.
[1:31:25]
We have guidance for how to use the tool and how to apply it
[1:31:28]
if we have multiple needs in one area.
[1:31:32]
And how to download it.
[1:31:34]
And finally the transit access strategies
[1:31:36]
are number five on this tool.
[1:31:38]
It is intended to be a visual to walk you through the steps.
[1:31:41]
You can use it to rely upon it each time
[1:31:43]
and do it the first time and go to the tools afterwards.
[1:31:47]
You can go directly to it.
[1:31:51]
I thought I would share a couple of slides here showing
[1:31:53]
conceptual application of the tool.
[1:31:55]
On the left hand side you see this
[1:32:00]
is the map that we were talking about
[1:32:03]
earlier in the blue outline there
[1:32:05]
is a census block group that is kind of downtown federal way.
[1:32:09]
It is at or very close to the linked guide rail station
[1:32:13]
it's my understanding.
[1:32:16]
The slide shows on the left hand side and it clicks on the area
[1:32:20]
and it will give a pop up and show the needs here.
[1:32:26]
I will tell you the top of the pedestrian network
[1:32:29]
passes the threshold there.
[1:32:30]
Does not a pedestrian network completion need.
[1:32:34]
The other ones do have a need bicycle
[1:32:36]
level traffic stress shows a need and no does not pass.
[1:32:41]
It has a need and gives information about what it is
[1:32:43]
and what the threshold is.
[1:32:45]
And then on the right hand side we
[1:32:46]
will show you the example strategies.
[1:32:49]
Let's say you were looking at bicycle levels of traffic stress
[1:32:51]
and these are some highlights and headlines
[1:32:54]
of what the strategies will look like
[1:32:56]
and whether the local jurisdiction and transit agency
[1:32:59]
will be trying to assess.
[1:33:01]
I took a little bit less urban example on the --.
[1:33:10]
This area is shown and identified
[1:33:13]
as an area in the drop off and parking access.
[1:33:16]
It is close to but not close enough
[1:33:18]
to be walkable to the transit service nearby.
[1:33:23]
In this case you would be looking
[1:33:25]
at either Microtransit or kind of a drop
[1:33:28]
off service of some sort.
[1:33:30]
Or parking ride at the transit and the nearby transit center
[1:33:35]
to make sure there's other parking there here
[1:33:37]
are some examples of some strategies there.
[1:33:39]
A little bit of a preview of the kinds of things you can see.
[1:33:42]
Letting you know where we are at on this.
[1:33:44]
We are doing some final touches and updates
[1:33:46]
to the variety of materials and this
[1:33:48]
is the first time at least my team have
[1:33:50]
worked on the Storymap.
[1:33:51]
We are getting through all of that
[1:33:53]
with the coordination of the alignment of everything
[1:33:56]
that we have there.
[1:33:56]
We plan to have it up on the website by November.
[1:34:00]
In the meantime we are doing briefings
[1:34:02]
to different advisory committees to let
[1:34:03]
them know we are doing the work and encouraging folks
[1:34:06]
to make use of it when it is available
[1:34:07]
and we will share it when it is ready to all
[1:34:10]
the committees in the public when it comes up in November.
[1:34:14]
With that I think that is my last slide.
[1:34:18]
>> Thank you Pamela that was an amazing amount of information
[1:34:21]
in a very short amount of time.
[1:34:23]
Take a breath.
[1:34:25]
Really grateful for the update on all the work that
[1:34:28]
has been done and a preview of what is to come.
[1:34:31]
Board members, are there any questions for Jill?
[1:34:34]
Council member Arnold?
[1:34:37]
>> Thank you.
[1:34:39]
Lots of transit investment happening including the transit
[1:34:43]
405.
[1:34:44]
How often do you anticipate updating the data
[1:34:48]
as some of the capital improvements
[1:34:51]
happen and some of the service improvements
[1:34:53]
happen both with some transit and local transit agencies?
[1:34:59]
>> The plan we have is to make the updates to the data included
[1:35:02]
as part of the regional transportation plan and we do it
[1:35:05]
every four years and it's a pretty frequent update for long
[1:35:08]
range plans and we do have a mid-cycle update.
[1:35:10]
The plan is to do it every four years
[1:35:12]
and that is where we collect the data for inventory and things
[1:35:15]
like that.
[1:35:16]
That is kind of the current plan.
[1:35:19]
>> Council member Paine?
[1:35:21]
>> I wanted to report back from community transit.
[1:35:25]
They are very supportive and very
[1:35:27]
glad to hear it as a four year cycle
[1:35:29]
for updating the data sets.
[1:35:31]
They are most curious about how are we planning the personalized
[1:35:36]
mile data and how to support future access to transit
[1:35:43]
opportunities for all the local communities that
[1:35:47]
have been doing a lot of big changes and with more coming up?
[1:35:54]
That's a big issue for a lot of the communities.
[1:36:02]
>> We intend to work closely with community transit the ones
[1:36:05]
we worked with in the past on this and we continue we will be
[1:36:08]
meeting the transit Operator Committee later this month
[1:36:11]
to share with them.
[1:36:13]
Opening up opportunities to have them
[1:36:15]
and I really invite everyone to kind of look at that tool
[1:36:17]
and tell us what you think it is working well
[1:36:20]
where you think there could be some improvement we will
[1:36:22]
work with folks to make sure.
[1:36:24]
It is a useful tool for people to >> Council member Boyd?
[1:36:30]
>> I appreciate the shout out and that's a great example.
[1:36:34]
It's updated every four years and it
[1:36:37]
sounds like it is very automated to the city you might
[1:36:42]
be looking to the circulator.
[1:36:46]
That would have come online after this goes live.
[1:36:52]
That's not going to be reflected in this.
[1:36:59]
It helps you get something close to it.
[1:37:05]
It won't even get everything existing today.
[1:37:08]
It's an opportunity for us to use regional data
[1:37:10]
and regional thresholds.
[1:37:11]
Staff can take that and look at it
[1:37:14]
and overlay it on their local data
[1:37:16]
and they can be able to say qualitatively.
[1:37:18]
I think it will be helpful in here
[1:37:23]
and be able to look at the needs and connect that there.
[1:37:25]
We are also very willing and happy to help
[1:37:28]
having examples and things like that to look at it
[1:37:31]
and see how we can improve that and how it connects together.
[1:37:33]
They will give you and close in on a subset of the strategies
[1:37:38]
to be able to work on that.
[1:37:41]
Hopefully they'll be able to do that
[1:37:43]
and maybe they can be curious and reach out to some folks
[1:37:45]
there.
[1:37:46]
We want to make sure what you are looking at would be helpful.
[1:37:49]
Thanks.
[1:37:52]
>> Thank you so much again and we really appreciate the work
[1:37:54]
and the presentation we're looking forward to the tool
[1:37:57]
coming online.
[1:37:59]
>> All right thank you.
[1:38:01]
>> We are on our last discussion item.
[1:38:03]
Prep for the 2027 selection process.
[1:38:09]
>> She's joining me and we're going to have to go fast.
[1:38:13]
>> Wait up sometime.
[1:38:15]
Without further ado.
[1:38:16]
We are here to begin discussion in preparation for the 2027
[1:38:19]
project selection process.
[1:38:22]
I'm going to give some background and overview
[1:38:25]
information and some highlights from our 2024 process
[1:38:28]
and I will turn it over to Kelly to begin that discussion looking
[1:38:32]
forward to 2027.
[1:38:34]
The bulk of the preparation that needs to happen this year.
[1:38:40]
Just an overview of the project selection
[1:38:42]
process we have authority and distribute funds
[1:38:46]
from both the Federal Highway Administration and the Federal
[1:38:50]
Transit Administration.
[1:38:52]
The exact amount varies from year to year
[1:38:56]
and this is order of magnitude and funds
[1:38:58]
we distribute in the ballpark of about 90 million funds.
[1:39:06]
About 280 million ballpark Federal transit Administration
[1:39:11]
funds.
[1:39:12]
The FHwA is a competitive process
[1:39:15]
that is administered and divided between a regional process
[1:39:20]
and county wide process for each of the core counties.
[1:39:24]
The FTA process is distributed through formula
[1:39:30]
based on regional policies and specific.
[1:39:35]
There are buckets of specific funding sources
[1:39:38]
under each of these umbrellas and they
[1:39:40]
have their specific eligibility that accompany them.
[1:39:47]
The project selection is guided by PSC Policy Framework
[1:39:54]
for Federal funds.
[1:39:55]
It is adopted by the board and it
[1:39:59]
is a document that has been reviewed by this board
[1:40:03]
and recommendations were made prior to each new funding
[1:40:06]
competition.
[1:40:06]
That is a discussion we are starting today.
[1:40:09]
Our policy framework is based on vision 25th policies.
[1:40:17]
It very specifically lays out a focus for investment
[1:40:20]
to support centers and the corridors that
[1:40:23]
serve the impairment projects must not only
[1:40:26]
be consistent with vision 2015 the Regional transportation plan
[1:40:29]
but also Local comprehensive plans through which the projects
[1:40:33]
are generally developed.
[1:40:34]
This is a process we implement every 2 to 3 years.
[1:40:39]
Here are a more graphical representation of vision 2050.
[1:40:45]
It is the overarching policy framework
[1:40:48]
that guides transportation investment
[1:40:50]
decisions in our region.
[1:40:52]
Under that umbrella, we have the Regional transportation plan
[1:40:56]
as I know you are all aware.
[1:40:59]
Recently adopted the latest version in May and the Regional
[1:41:03]
Economic Strategy that the implementation
[1:41:08]
plans under the umbrella of vision 2050.
[1:41:11]
Investments that are prioritized and project selection processes
[1:41:18]
really do prioritize investments consistent with vision 2050
[1:41:23]
implementing plans.
[1:41:28]
A little more detail on the FTA funding.
[1:41:32]
The funds are split between earned share and distribution
[1:41:36]
and regional distribution.
[1:41:38]
These are both formula funds that
[1:41:42]
are distributed between the nine transit agencies that provide
[1:41:46]
services within our region.
[1:41:50]
For the earned share, there's a federal formula
[1:41:54]
that determines how much of the funds comes our region.
[1:41:58]
That gets further broken down for the distribution
[1:42:02]
of the regional funds to the nine transit agencies.
[1:42:06]
That is based on the level of operations
[1:42:08]
of each of the respective transit agencies.
[1:42:12]
Regional funds are based on regional attributes
[1:42:16]
and key policies that are set forth in the policy
[1:42:21]
framework that is adopted.
[1:42:23]
These are always, funds are always
[1:42:27]
awarded for the future based on estimates
[1:42:29]
and that is also laid out in our policy framework.
[1:42:33]
Once funds are awarded we keep close track
[1:42:36]
of the projects that receive the funds
[1:42:38]
and we have adopted project tracking policies that
[1:42:42]
set out all the deadlines associated
[1:42:44]
with delivery of those funds.
[1:42:47]
And also the processes that need to happen
[1:42:51]
if there are any changes to the project that
[1:42:53]
will affect the timing or the scope of the project that
[1:42:56]
has been awarded.
[1:43:01]
Moving on to the bucket.
[1:43:05]
The sponsor split between the regional competition and each
[1:43:09]
of the four county wide forums administers
[1:43:11]
their own competition.
[1:43:13]
The funds that are distributed include
[1:43:15]
a number of set asides set forth in the policy framework
[1:43:20]
and there are funds set aside directed
[1:43:22]
toward investments and preservation projects
[1:43:25]
bicycle and pedestrian projects.
[1:43:27]
There is a set aside with rural town centers and corridors.
[1:43:32]
It is set aside from this larger bucket of funds.
[1:43:36]
That is a competition we do separately
[1:43:39]
usually in the mid cycle between each
[1:43:42]
of these major competitions.
[1:43:44]
There is also an adjustment for this county that is recognizing
[1:43:50]
the jurisdictions and that county are only eligible for --
[1:43:55]
and one of the sources not the other funds that are under
[1:44:00]
the --.
[1:44:04]
The project tracking policies once they are awarded.
[1:44:10]
The monitoring and administration of funds
[1:44:12]
are guided by the project tracking policies that lay out
[1:44:15]
the policies and rules that have to be to which the projects must
[1:44:19]
adhere and processes are in place in case of changes.
[1:44:29]
If a projects are as mentioned, based
[1:44:35]
on the competitive process.
[1:44:37]
These are competitions in the next one
[1:44:40]
we are anticipating in 2027 we are beginning our preparation.
[1:44:46]
Everything is competitive.
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The awards are based on scoring of evaluation criteria.
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These are the criteria that are currently laid out
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and the project tracking policies.
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Each of the categories have specific questions
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associated with it that are scored
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as part of the competition.
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A couple of highlights from our 2024 process.
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I won't read through it but I think
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the first column is showing all the types of projects
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that were funded in 2024.
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You can see there was a wide variety of projects
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that have received funding awards through the process.
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Including the transit programs for the TDM programs.
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A number of capital investments that basically cover
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all modes of transportation.
[1:45:40]
Specifically for the FHwA in the last process in 2024.
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Over a quarter of the projects were
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improvements on a freight route.
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Whether or not they were specifically
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targeted for freight they were including those improvements.
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More than half had proven safety countermeasures
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that I know you heard a lot about over the last few years
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as we developed our regional Safety Action plan.
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About two thirds included pedestrian and bicycle
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improvements Paramount cumulatively
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we do air quality analysis and that's
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part of the evaluation and the scoring for the projects
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that go through the process.
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Accumulatively come the 2024 awards
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reduced over 100 metric tons per day of greenhouse gas emissions
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by our modeling.
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I move very quickly so Kelly will have plenty of time
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to talk about plans moving forward.
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>> 12 minutes Paramount those of you who are with us for the 2024
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process come to the board was involved in 2023 and we made
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a number of significant improvements specifically
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related to strengthening safety and how we are addressing
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underserved communities we work with the Equity Advisory
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Committee.
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Reinforcing commitment to climate and for the process.
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Air quality and climate is between 20 and 50%
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of the total score and that was reinforced
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and there were a lot of changes in time
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spent by the board discussing the policy
[1:47:20]
framework and the project selection process.
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There was a bit of a collective exhausted sigh
[1:47:29]
after all of that work.
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Let's see how they play through before continuing
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to make changes.
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There have been new things that have happened since.
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They do call for some updates and hopefully there
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are refinements to the existing structure.
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We adopted a brand new regional transportation plan.
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There was a conversation with the board and city
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leadership based on all of the new direction
[1:48:11]
and the federal government, we could
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make sure to review project selection
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to make sure we were in alignment with what we were
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getting out of our federal partners
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in terms of new guidance and new direction and new requirements.
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That's why we're doing it in 27 instead of 26.
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We've been working on that last bullet which
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I will share a little bit more details on,
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we adopted the regional transportation
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plan and these two areas were called out
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in the RTP of areas two and four.
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The next selection process and we
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think it makes a lot of sense.
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It's consistent with the existing structure.
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We are working on making the refinements.
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The first one is the regional Safety Action plan.
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Safety has been an element of the project evaluation criteria
[1:48:56]
and was strengthened in 2024.
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We have the additional layer of making
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sure we are addressing the local original high injury networks
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and pulling that into the process as well.
[1:49:10]
The active transportation Plan part
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of the regional transportation plan
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talked about making sure the process can
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inform project selection.
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They are captured throughout the existing criteria as well as
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the standalone set aside.
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The elements, working with the bicycle
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Pedestrian Advisory Committee right now on how
[1:49:33]
features such as, there where facility typology.
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A type of bicycle pedestrian facility and where
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it is most contextually appropriate as well as bicycle
[1:49:45]
level of traffic mentioned earlier.
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How can we incorporate those to refined elements
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into our process.
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Next slide please.
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I'll spend more time touching on how
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we approach the aligning with current federal requirements.
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We have regional policy as well as state policy
[1:50:07]
to make sure the regional transportation plan and project
[1:50:13]
selection process are addressing the needs
[1:50:15]
of underserved communities.
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We need them to develop innovative ways
[1:50:18]
to how we can do that.
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I want to call out Charles Patton from PS arc.
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If at any time you want to add anything to the discussion
[1:50:29]
or add any questions, you can.
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We spent three months earlier this year
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with the Equity Advisory Committee really
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talking through this goal and talking through how do we
[1:50:39]
identify locations with transportation barriers
[1:50:42]
and challenges?
[1:50:44]
We developed a new opportunity we are actually really excited
[1:50:49]
and we think this is honing in on the meeting and the intent
[1:50:53]
of the goal.
[1:50:54]
Now we are focused on outcomes and transportation disparities
[1:50:58]
being experienced on the ground rather than just looking
[1:51:02]
at individual characteristics.
[1:51:17]
>> Shout out to the Equity Advisory Committee and to Craig
[1:51:19]
Hillman.
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They worked together to come up with how
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do we pivot with the new tool what you see in front of you
[1:51:32]
is the collaboration with Equity Advisory Committee on what
[1:51:35]
are the different indicators that lead to an influence
[1:51:41]
those disparities being experienced?
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Indicators that are specifically related to the transportation
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system.
[1:51:50]
Sidewalk completeness and access to living wage jobs and transit.
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So much of what we do needs to be online.
[1:52:03]
Not everybody has access to the internet.
[1:52:07]
Proximity to medical care and libraries
[1:52:09]
and housing column obviously and cost burdens
[1:52:13]
and things of that nature and then economics
[1:52:16]
looking at unemployment rates and access
[1:52:20]
to the internet and different parts of the region
[1:52:24]
have different potential ability to reach transportation revenue.
[1:52:30]
We spend a lot of time figuring out what the indicators are
[1:52:34]
and we put them into these four specific categories.
[1:52:38]
We created the Opportunity Index tool
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and I'm going to do a portrait but Craig's
[1:52:43]
in the back of the room and we will spend more time
[1:52:45]
in the coming months.
[1:52:46]
All the indicators combined brought
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into this map which is essentially
[1:52:53]
showing different areas around the region.
[1:52:56]
The darker the color on the map is
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representing the lowest current opportunity
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in the area of highest need.
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What we have done is this is what we call the combined
[1:53:06]
or aggregate Opportunity Index which is highlighting the areas
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across all the four categories and all the indicators
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for the combined lowest opportunity .
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The next two slides are different.
[1:53:21]
We are incorporating the four categories.
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Depending on the category of industries
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you are looking at different areas around the region
[1:53:30]
show different areas of opportunity.
[1:53:32]
The transportation index on the left and the amenities
[1:53:35]
index on the right and you can see some differentiation.
[1:53:38]
The darker the color the higher the need.
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Next slide please?
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You can see that these two are showing
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quite a bit and more gradation of the colors and the housing
[1:53:52]
index you can really see the falls along the I-5 corridor
[1:53:55]
pretty well and then the economy index.
[1:53:58]
We've had some reaction to the big rural areas
[1:54:01]
and that is really just come up we
[1:54:03]
will mask out the resource areas moving forward.
[1:54:06]
I want to make sure I'm getting you out of here.
[1:54:11]
We built the tool.
[1:54:13]
We spent time with the equity Advisory Committee
[1:54:16]
on how do we now use the tool and the project selection
[1:54:19]
process?
[1:54:19]
Those who were with us for the last process may remember.
[1:54:24]
The feature that after quite a bit of discussion,
[1:54:27]
they did recommend the use of the opportunity Index
[1:54:31]
and using existing criteria will be
[1:54:34]
woven throughout the criteria categories
[1:54:35]
that Jennifer showed you.
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This is similar to the 2024 process.
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We are really approaching this as it is the same criteria
[1:54:43]
and the same set of questions.
[1:54:45]
We are using a new tool.
[1:54:47]
Rather than comparing demographic populations,
[1:54:49]
we are assessing projects for how
[1:54:52]
they address needs providing improvements
[1:54:55]
within those criteria of categories
[1:54:56]
for those areas of below or lowest opportunity.
[1:55:01]
Other in the combined index or one of the four.
[1:55:05]
Next slide please.
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This is an introductory launch with the board in September.
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Jump ahead in policy framework and the schedule
[1:55:19]
will call for adoption in January
[1:55:21]
we will do the call for projects and start the project process
[1:55:25]
in February.
[1:55:30]
It was More examples of media resources we will provide.
[1:55:34]
We are working closely with the advisory committees
[1:55:36]
and regional project and Committee and Transit Operate
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Committee and county forums will continue
[1:55:42]
to do that through the fall.
[1:55:44]
The interest in topics I want to dive deeper into we
[1:55:48]
will come back to you over the next few months
[1:55:50]
as Jennifer mentioned.
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The set asides will run through all the details
[1:55:55]
about how we will conduct the next policy and process.
[1:56:05]
The schedule calls for adoption in January
[1:56:09]
and that is the key action points.
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We will conduct the process.
[1:56:13]
Shout out to Jennifer and her team.
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And addition to everything else we
[1:56:17]
are also updating our assistant.
[1:56:19]
We have a web based application system
[1:56:21]
for the monthly amendments you see every month on the consent
[1:56:25]
agenda.
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As well as the funding applications.
[1:56:28]
We will update that as well the database
[1:56:31]
while we were doing everything else.
[1:56:33]
We are working with all of this stuff on that.
[1:56:36]
I think that is our last slide.
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There's not a lot of time for questions but we will be back.
[1:56:42]
>> Thank you and also there was a lot of information in a very
[1:56:45]
short amount of time.
[1:56:46]
We are bumping up against the 11:30 a.m.
[1:56:49]
But I want to make sure we get through some questions.
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I see the council members hands up?
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>> This was really great.
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And I saw on the calendar for October
[1:56:59]
and thought we were on a decision point in October.
[1:57:04]
I will say questions.
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When you come back in with October and that's
[1:57:13]
an opportunity for the board to discuss.
[1:57:16]
And if we have changes we will bring them forward then.
[1:57:20]
Is there a working group happening behind the scenes
[1:57:23]
that I should reach out to if there are changes?
[1:57:29]
>> The working group will make use of the full board.
[1:57:33]
I apologize we don't have time for more discussion today.
[1:57:37]
This is an introduction.
[1:57:39]
Three more meetings with you before the end of the year.
[1:57:43]
If we need to come back every month
[1:57:45]
to discuss project selection we can certainly do that.
[1:57:48]
Based on the comment we do plan on coming back in October
[1:57:51]
and then we can see how those discussions go
[1:57:53]
if we need to come back in November and December as well.
[1:58:00]
We will discuss as much as we need to
[1:58:03]
before the January action.
[1:58:05]
>> I think this is such an important piece
[1:58:07]
for the committee or the board to take the policy work we have
[1:58:10]
done to make sure to translate into actual dollars
[1:58:14]
into the community.
[1:58:18]
It looks like a really great start.
[1:58:21]
You've done a lot of work and it feels like we're well on the way
[1:58:26]
to make it happen.
[1:58:27]
I'm looking forward to a little bit more discussion.
[1:58:31]
>> Thank you Council member.
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Council member Arnold?
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>> We have the discussion last year.
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Priorities were consistently for safely
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double Dutch for underserved areas in this climate.
[1:58:57]
We will prioritize for local projects as well.
[1:59:05]
>> Any last questions before we wrap this up?
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I'm not seeing any hands.
[1:59:11]
Thank you Charles and the EAC for the amount of work
[1:59:15]
you have put into the new criteria really really grateful
[1:59:18]
for that.
[1:59:20]
Grateful for that partnership.
[1:59:23]
Thank you to both of you for all of this work.
[1:59:26]
It is a lot.
[1:59:27]
And yes we talked about taking a pause and things changed.
[1:59:31]
The best laid plans.
[1:59:33]
We are excited about our conversation in the upcoming
[1:59:36]
months and this is one of the most important things
[1:59:38]
the board does and we are grateful for that.
[1:59:40]
We want to point out a couple things before we wrap up.
[1:59:43]
The work program tracker is available
[1:59:46]
and check out all the work available behind the scenes.
[1:59:49]
I want to highlight a flier in your packet.
[1:59:52]
Todd on the row making the most of nutrients and connections.
[1:59:56]
Webinar on Todd Development and also to walking
[1:59:59]
tours that are available.
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It's the last page in the packet.
[2:00:04]
We are at the bottom of the agenda.
[2:00:07]
Thank you everyone for your engagement conversation
[2:00:09]
and questions and we are really grateful
[2:00:11]
and we will see you next month.
[2:00:13]
>> For those in the room I believe lunch should be here
[2:00:16]
Paramount get a staged over in the conference room and I hope
[2:00:19]
you can all stay.
[2:00:20]
Those in the back room we have probably more food than people.
[2:00:24]
Also feel free to stay.
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Any topic I hesitate to open it and I will.
[2:00:29]
Any topic we can still continue to talk about as you have lunch.
[2:00:34]
Thank you everybody.