[2:35] Number 14th, 2026, 6 p.m., and we'll begin with a, we'll

[3:00] just, I don't have the sheets, so we'll just say this here. Then he's watching. Paul Langerd. Paul Langerd. Jeremy Hollis. Jeremy Hollis here. Robert Duplicy. And Robert Duplicy is here. Scott Cooper, Charlene, have both excused emphasis. That's right. Scott Cooper and Charlene, as well as Mike Crager.

[3:23] I think he was going to try to jump online.

[3:26] Yeah, but KLTV is still the ones that didn't.

[3:29] Okay, all right, so those three have been excused

[3:33] and some other stuff going on.

[3:35] All right, we'll jump right into the flexible.

[3:44] The United States of America and to the Republican

[3:48] proposed a stance on one nation under God

[3:51] individual with liberty and justice for all right mayor's address council

[4:02] I don't know you see we kind of upgraded the city council chambers with the

[4:09] our logo hopefully like that just trying to make things professional and then the

[4:19] The other thing under mayor's address is I have a proclamation, mayor's proclamation

[4:25] I'd like to do tonight and it's small so I need to use my old man reading glasses here.

[4:35] So tonight's mayoral proclamation is proclaiming September 25th 925 as Dolly Parton Day in

[4:47] Where as Dolly Parton is an internationally beloved entertainer, songwriter, author,

[4:54] philanthropist, businesswoman, and humanitarian whose remarkable life has inspired generations

[5:00] through her music generosity, preservation, and unwavering commitment to help others.

[5:08] Where as Dolly Parton, use her success not simply to entertain, but to make the world better

[5:14] place, supporting education, literacy, children, disaster relief, healthcare, families, and

[5:23] communities in need, and also note that we even had her program right here in our library.

[5:32] Dolly Parton founded the Dolly Parton and Imagination Library, a program that provides

[5:38] a free, high quality books to children, inspiring a love reading, a love of reading and giving

[5:44] children the opportunity to imagine a brighter future.

[5:49] And whereas the Dolly Parton Imagine Library has been a part of Rainier community for several

[5:54] years providing local children with books, imagination, and opportunity.

[5:59] And whereas Dolly Parton's contributions extended far beyond the stage, including her support

[6:07] of various programs, Dolly Parton has demonstrated the kindness, generosity, humility,

[6:13] hard work in treating people with dignity can have an extraordinary impact on the

[6:19] world. Whereas the City of Rainier recognizes the positive example of

[6:23] Deli Parton and has set by encouraging people to lift others up, give when they

[6:30] can, dream big, work hard and never underestimate the difference one person can

[6:36] make. Whereas the people of Rainier believe that a little more kindness, compassion,

[6:42] generation, generosity and optimism would make our community and our world a better place.

[6:48] Now therefore I, Jerry Cole, Mayor of the Rainier, Mayor Rainier, City of Rainier, Oregon,

[6:54] do hereby proclaim that September 25th, 9-5 shall forever be recognized as Dolly Parton

[7:03] Day in the City of Rainier.

[7:04] On this day I encourage the citizens of Rainier to celebrate Dolly Parton's contributions

[7:10] and perhaps do what Dolly would do.

[7:14] Be kind, help someone who needs it,

[7:18] give a child a book, encourage someone's dream,

[7:22] lend a hand without expecting anything in return,

[7:26] treat everyone with dignity and respect,

[7:28] and when given the opportunity to make a difference,

[7:31] make the difference.

[7:33] May Dolly Parton Day serve as a reminder

[7:36] that you don't have to be famous,

[7:37] wealthiness, wealthy, or powerful to make the world a better place.

[7:41] Sometimes all it takes is one kind word, one helping hand, one generous act, or one person

[7:48] will end to care.

[7:51] So I signed this, the 14th of September, 2026.

[8:03] All right, so don't forget to be good on 925.

[8:08] Well, we like you to be good every day, but you know.

[8:11] What's that?

[8:12] We'll extract.

[8:13] We'll extract.

[8:14] All right.

[8:15] All right, moving along, we're going to do visitors comments.

[8:24] All right.

[8:26] Michael Self, do you want to come up?

[8:33] Good evening, Council.

[8:34] Good evening.

[8:35] Always nice to see you guys again.

[8:37] Today, I got nothing to complain about.

[8:40] I just want to bring to you guys' awareness the make on Washington way

[8:44] between military and the stop sign.

[8:47] If you look up all the maple trees that are along there there's some big heavy

[8:55] branches up there. I don't know who the property owners are on the both sides of

[9:00] that road but this must be probably a very very wet winner which is going to

[9:05] make those trees very heavy and it could snap on top of cable lines, telephone

[9:11] lines. There's no power lines there in that section but if you guys can take a

[9:17] chance, drive down that road and look up because somebody's going to get hurt on that road

[9:23] eventually. There's already been a couple of trees snapped last year. You can see the

[9:28] remnants of it. I just don't want to see anybody get hurt. That's all I got for you.

[9:32] Where was that again? Between mills and the stop sign on Washington Way, West Green.

[9:50] Yeah, that's one section, Mill Street is when you're going from the stop sign down the

[9:55] first road to the right, from that area to the stop sign, and like I said, if you go

[10:01] through there, and actually there's one on the street as you come around the corner, it's

[10:07] you pretty low. I'd hit it with a trailer on my boat. So I reached out to the PUD. I know they

[10:15] got a program where they just kind of look at it. They're pretty big names. So that's all I got.

[10:21] All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. I just want to make sure Doris did you have any comments?

[10:29] Okay. All right.

[10:32] All right.

[10:36] I have a front row seat and what's going on up at my cul-de-sac.

[10:42] I watched them haul out, I lost track of the number of dirty, they called it dirty gravel

[10:53] until it got so deep that I go out every morning or every evening when they were done

[11:00] and I would check it out and take some pictures.

[11:03] I felt like I was living on the edge of a cliff.

[11:06] Now they've started to, and they have hauled in,

[11:09] countless numbers of clean gravel.

[11:12] And it's built up and built up so that now I feel safe,

[11:17] safe hurt.

[11:19] And they said that they found trash in the gravel,

[11:25] a broken doll.

[11:28] I have a front row seat there and it's looking great and the guys are really friendly, you know I say you know this nosy lady across the street but I got this front row seat right here like it's my clip so I want to say thank you very much for fixing it all and I've been backed up there was today to see what they've done but I'm sure it's good and the guys are nice.

[11:54] So thank you very much.

[11:56] So Russ and I went up there earlier today,

[11:58] and it looks like they're wrapping up.

[12:01] Yes, I asked them how soon this was going to go on,

[12:06] and they said the middle of the week,

[12:08] so Wednesday, Thursday they'll be done.

[12:12] That's what they said last week, so thank you.

[12:16] All right, Shelley Adams.

[12:24] I'm new here, so excuse my nerves.

[12:27] I'm Shelley Adams. I live at 29808 Old Rayner Road number two. And I'm here regarding an urgency as some tree trimming. That's on our property that's owned by the city up there.

[12:38] It's urgency because we're not waiting for something to happen. It already has a tree has fallen down. Many trees have fallen down. One on my neighbor's brand new car. She hadn't even had a week.

[12:49] and I'm just worried. It's a safety issue. And I think the Public Works Department has been out there and the RVRS and I think we're just waiting for an OKO approval.

[13:03] So it's really, it's not if it's going to happen, it's when it's going to happen.

[13:07] So we actually do have a quote for approval included in the package.

[13:11] But all my neighbors here to verify, we've been there for years and this is not the first tree that's fallen on this property and my neighbors adjacent to me.

[13:17] So it's on the agenda tonight. Thank you very much. Yeah, and actually let's see if you look up at the screen there

[13:24] That's that's the bid. So don't let us forget that that's up there. Yeah

[13:32] Well, they need to approve the bid and then we can get a schedule, but there so that's it location of a job up there

[13:38] 2 9 8 8 8 old Rainier Road to take down four maple trees clean up mess on or pass the burn. That's good

[13:45] Tell you why if you're here about the trees

[13:50] specifically, I'll let anybody comment when we get to that topic, so it's around the topic.

[13:57] So is anybody want to do a comment that's not about the trees?

[14:04] Okay.

[14:08] And maybe we'll do comments if the vote's no.

[14:11] So we can make it a little quicker.

[14:14] So how's that sound?

[14:16] Okay, then you could just tell them how crazy they were to vote now or something, but we'll

[14:25] do it that way so we move it along.

[14:28] So just making sure is there anybody else that would like to do visitor's comments tonight?

[14:36] Okay, we're going to move right along.

[14:40] Approval of the agenda.

[14:42] agenda

[14:48] is presented. All right is there a second. I'll second. All right motion on

[14:55] a second to approve the agenda. Any discussion? All those?

[15:00] All right. Opposed? Right, the I's have it. Consider approval of the consent agenda. That's the August 3, regular council meeting, minutes, and the monthly financial statements. I

[15:27] have a question on the

[15:39] three times. Actually, you have to have the motion. Oh, I'm sorry. If you would move the whole second,

[15:44] there won't do discussion.

[15:47] You're fine. No. Is that motion? Yeah. I'm not okay.

[15:56] A motion a second to approve the consent agenda. Is there any discussion? Denise. Okay, sorry. Yeah,

[16:03] so I was wondering, but Larry, was that was that entry three times? Was that split among three

[16:08] different. It's a total of $4,000. Okay, that's what I thought. And then our

[16:16] purse, that got resolved in August, so. No, what? Purs.

[16:27] No, was, did we get

[16:29] everything done on time for purses? Yeah, we just, uh, we need purses every month.

[16:34] Okay.

[16:41] Any other questions? I just had a question. What is the, uh, the line item

[16:45] a random US D.O.T. McConnell drug testing. Okay I'll just just race random they just randomly get

[16:55] pulled. Okay yeah

[17:06] I just saw the word random.

[17:09] Random expenses.

[17:14] Any other questions?

[17:18] All right all

[17:19] those in favor.

[17:22] Oppose? Right the ice have it. All right I'm going to switch some stuff around here

[17:27] And we'd like to do the wastewater plant M.A.O. first because Councillor Langer's got

[17:36] to leave here a little bit. This is one that needs resolution one way or another.

[17:43] So rest your mind,

[17:47] top brief in on the M.A.O.

[17:52] whoever wants to.

[17:53] Yeah, I can bet on this. So I've put up on the screen. This is the most recent iteration

[18:00] of our agreement with DEQ and the deadlines that we're looking at, right, under it.

[18:07] So we're on track right now with everything, but in about a year, just over a year, we're

[18:15] going to be expected to complete and submit a preliminary design report to DEQ for review

[18:18] and approval, right?

[18:21] So we've gone back and forth on this.

[18:24] So, that's to put it in context.

[18:28] All right, we've got this agreement.

[18:31] That's for us to support them.

[18:35] And we've got a one-pager here that I handed out to council ahead of time.

[18:40] I'm throwing it up on the screen.

[18:43] So, remember, a while back.

[18:48] We've been under the semi-0 for a while, right?

[18:50] And at one point, the state said, okay, you pre-approved for all these different loan packages and I presented that to you.

[18:59] And then I stopped halfway through and said, you know what, I don't feel right about this.

[19:02] DQ has approached us, our regulators, about this idea.

[19:07] They're realizing that, like right now and during the summer, we're not at capacity.

[19:12] The wastewater plant is nowhere near capacity.

[19:15] And they came to the realization, like we did, that the issue was that

[19:20] our collection system is leaky.

[19:22] We need to fix our pipes to reduce the amount of water getting into that.

[19:26] And that's where they've given us a couple of years to get that figured out.

[19:29] We've been working on it.

[19:31] And we've got it down now to where we've been talking about a screw press.

[19:36] Okay, we're going to do an expansion, any kind of expansion because the state's requiring it.

[19:42] The only option you have that's going to result in any revenue coming back to the city is a screw press.

[19:47] So, you know, Russ and I did our field trips.

[19:50] We went out to sweet home where our engineers had helped them get a screw press, scap-hoos,

[19:55] similarly.

[19:57] And how it's looking is that a screw press will cost around $4 million.

[20:02] We wouldn't have to pay any debt back.

[20:05] So most of the city's debt service is paid off in a couple of years and a lot of it is related

[20:09] to the last round of expansions at the wastewater plant, which is why I balked at the idea of compounding

[20:14] that debt further.

[20:15] saying, well, wait, we haven't grown at all, why are we having to increase capacity?

[20:21] But if you get, if you do the screw press, you'd get the septage revenue back, which is

[20:27] the reason that we had to increase the sewer rates is because we lost out on all that

[20:31] septage revenue and the system has to pay for itself, right?

[20:37] So what's on the table now is we've been pre-approved and it's essentially a $4 million

[20:43] dollar loan with up to 50% not to exceed 2 million of principal forgiveness.

[20:51] That all changes as of October 1st, right, that window shuts.

[20:55] So what the state's looking for, what DEQ is looking for, is something in the minutes

[21:01] of this meeting to reflect that you guys are authorizing us to move forward so they can

[21:06] start the paperwork for that.

[21:08] So that's kind of the long and short of it.

[21:10] Well, and then you have three to five years to use it, right?

[21:14] Yes.

[21:14] And so, the thing that's due most immediately is the design.

[21:19] So, we have to have the design work to DEQ in about a year.

[21:25] And from then, I think you don't actually have to pay it back until afterwards,

[21:30] until after the construction is done, by then, our current debt service for the sewer plant will be paid off.

[21:38] And right now that runs about three-quarters of a million dollars a year, that goes into

[21:43] the sewer fund, that goes straight out of the sewer fund to pay for that debt service.

[21:48] So that's what we're looking at right now, that's the decision that needs to be made.

[21:56] And unlike the last time I presented you guys with this, I actually do feel comfortable

[22:01] presenting you with this, because I want to be able to look everyone in town in the eye

[22:05] and say, you know what, we spent the last couple of years working to get you the best deal

[22:08] So you could get, it would increase capacity at the plant, which is one of the things DECU wants.

[22:15] Make it easier to process solids at the plant, but also enable us to take

[22:20] step-dig and get the revenue from that.

[22:22] The other three things that I like about the plan, one, $2 million is being forgiven.

[22:30] So it's not really $4 million alone, it's a $2 million loan.

[22:34] possibility.

[22:35] Possibility.

[22:36] Right.

[22:36] Possibility.

[22:37] But if we don't act tonight.

[22:38] Right.

[22:38] There's no chance of, if I give him a strap, that.

[22:41] Yeah.

[22:41] Timing-wise, we got three to five years to use it.

[22:46] Well, I guess there's four things I like.

[22:49] The other one is the possibility of takingceptage again.

[22:53] And so with the screen press, we would put the seven receiving station online that we purchased.

[23:00] was to have a store of stink to probably to accept it.

[23:04] Yeah.

[23:05] So I like that possibility because that's

[23:08] a direct benefit to the rate payers.

[23:13] The other thing that I like is the forgiveness already

[23:21] said that.

[23:23] Oh, is timing wise, we're going to be paying off one loan.

[23:28] We won't have a payment on that one anymore.

[23:30] and then timing wise, we'll start paying on this one.

[23:34] So I think that serves on $2 million is considered less

[23:39] than what we were looking at before.

[23:41] Because before, we were looking at like, well, yeah.

[23:45] And I looked at those numbers and said, gosh, I just,

[23:48] this is like three generations of briniere residents

[23:51] that are going to be saddled with this debt, $12 million.

[23:55] And for what?

[23:56] But in this case, you say, no.

[24:00] 2 million over 30 years and it'll be generating revenue that we can use to pay off the debt.

[24:07] What's everybody else's thought?

[24:09] There's a question on the line here, so at the end of the pre-construction period,

[24:15] Rainier can increase the loan amount when ready to start construction?

[24:19] Yeah, I think we're approved for the up to 12.7 million but we don't have to use it all.

[24:24] Well, this way if something comes up, for example, I mean,

[24:30] Klatsk and I a while ago got $10 million for their wastewater plant.

[24:35] And they were overjoyed, right?

[24:37] Oh, this is tremendous.

[24:39] Well, by the time they actually got to that phase, the cost of that jumped and

[24:43] jumped and jumped.

[24:44] And now they're having to stick a graduating fee on people's utility bills to make

[24:50] up the difference of the extra 20 million that they need for their planned upgrades.

[24:55] So this way you have a little bit of wiggle room, if need be, but I'm still hoping that

[25:00] we can keep it to 4 million total with half of it being forgiven.

[25:04] You're not going to get a better deal than that, ever.

[25:07] And we still have a subgroup by the queue,

[25:12] that too.

[25:13] Yeah.

[25:14] So we're hoping, because you mentioned about the storage tank, and we saw that,

[25:22] and they

[25:22] gallons is what that looks like. The other things that DEQ could require would

[25:27] that be something that we could tack on to the lung or do we have to come up with

[25:35] it?

[25:36] We could add it because it's known that's what the extra amount in there is for. Is anything

[25:40] extra? Okay. So once our permit is renewed if it ever does, I'm sure there'll be some upgrades

[25:46] to the plant because everything made to plant is pretty old. So I'm sure DEQ can require

[25:58] I mean, there's no other way, so I think I'll make a motion to move forward with the funding wastewater funding.

[26:08] All right, is there a second?

[26:09] A second.

[26:10] All right, second by Robert.

[26:14] All right, motion and second, is there any discussion?

[26:29] Just, I'm out of half to have you.

[26:31] Not saying anything, it's not an open forum.

[26:34] Sorry.

[26:34] It's

[26:43] not really a return on investment scenario.

[26:55] It's more like meeting the terms of the MAO.

[26:58] Exactly.

[26:59] Is what we're doing because-

[27:01] Return on to investments bonus.

[27:05] And this is literally the only way in which we could expand capacity at the plant that will

[27:09] actually generate revenue.

[27:11] I mean, anything else is just a sunk cost that's gone and debt service.

[27:15] is at least this way, we have something that we could use

[27:17] to generate revenue on the back end to pay off the debt.

[27:20] We have to have the screw press

[27:21] that's selling way to process to get the stolen

[27:25] where we can instead of sending some pictures.

[27:28] Yeah.

[27:28] Is this the only way about it?

[27:30] All right, all those in favor?

[27:31] All right.

[27:33] Opposed?

[27:34] All right, the ICE have it.

[27:36] All right, now we're going to go back to our forester's

[27:39] presentation.

[27:48] Welcome.

[27:49] Congratulations, man.

[27:51] Thanks.

[27:51] Yeah, I haven't got to see you so it's good to see all of you. It's been a while I'm just kind of kind of give you guys a brief

[27:58] update on where we're at in the watershed kind of something that I would like to

[28:03] sort of contemplating doing some harvesting and maybe some back and forth about that a little bit.

[28:12] The market has been sort of stable. You know, you hear a lot of gossip. Now I got off the phone this morning with

[28:18] Hampton lumber and I was sort of shocked honestly at where the price is. I thought it was a lot

[28:25] lower than it is. I've had them come out and look at this sale that I would like to kind of put

[28:32] up at some point. I had it and then you know the market sort of went south on me and I had this

[28:37] number in my head of $740,000 and he told me it's really I can probably give you close to $775

[28:44] right now which I was like whoa that's good I mean so I will say the inventory is

[28:51] on most of the mills they're at capacity so it would be hard right this second

[28:55] for us to sell our logs but it's there it seems to be pretty stable and part

[29:02] of the catalyst for me sort of wanting to do this it's been a while since we

[29:05] harvested and there's been some changes in the rules as far as the stream

[29:09] buffers. It didn't have a huge impact on us, but what it did change is where the fish use

[29:17] goes up into the watershed.

[29:21] We went from basically having one fish barrier to four, and we're

[29:25] going to have to chip away at fixing them.

[29:30] It's mandated basically for us to log.

[29:38] We're

[29:39] little bit more money in the coffers, not that we're going to eat up what we have, but it just

[29:42] makes it look a little bit better if it's just a constant in the red. And going forward, it's

[29:48] hard to predict where we're going to be at with the market, but it does seem to be fairly stable.

[29:54] I know Stimson Lumber, they've got a new mill that's supposed to be coming online.

[30:00] I'm going to talk to him about a month ago. He thinks that that's going to drive the price up a little bit more. So, that being said, I would sort of like the OK to kind of get this ball rolling. It's not for sure. I'll come back with the numbers and, you know, all of the final say, but I'd kind of like to get it all permitted, sort of start the thing going because it takes a little bit for me to get it all organized and get us a lot for us to sell our logs.

[30:26] So anyway, that's kind of where I'm at.

[30:28] You know if you guys want to ask some questions about it, I'd be more than happy

[30:31] But that's kind of kind of where I'm at with that. I kind of feel like you know, it's been several years

[30:38] and

[30:40] Playing this market is tough and I'm not sure really going forward is going to get a lot better

[30:45] time soon

[30:47] so

[30:48] I kind of feel like now would be a good time

[30:54] Any questions?

[30:56] So I do have that.

[30:57] Yeah, sure.

[30:58] What do you got?

[30:59] Mr. Mayor of Councilor.

[31:00] Pat, I would like to see a couple of things.

[31:03] Yeah.

[31:03] And I agree that the timing could not be better

[31:06] in the market right now.

[31:07] Yeah.

[31:08] I think we need a new force management plan for the city.

[31:11] Yes.

[31:12] And the needs come from the proceeds or we existing funds we have.

[31:16] I would like to proceed with the ideologies.

[31:17] Pretty good clip to sit there and see what we're having.

[31:20] Because of the number of dynamic changes that have come out of the state

[31:23] in the federal government.

[31:25] Sure, so I think we need to force management plan.

[31:27] The other one that I would like to ask for

[31:29] is a cruise of what we have right now at this point in time.

[31:33] So we have a deep point in time.

[31:35] Sure, I know there's a manager plan somewhere

[31:38] but people are kind of struggling

[31:40] to get in our fingers on it and understanding it.

[31:42] Yeah, it's insanely outdated.

[31:45] I've never even really looked at it.

[31:46] I had it in my possession.

[31:49] Connie had given it to me a while ago,

[31:52] So you are our contract forester?

[31:55] Yeah, you feel comfortable basically as our contractor

[31:57] representative of the COTR forest to sit there put out an RFP

[32:02] for new forest management plan and an RFP for a cruise.

[32:06] Sure, I can do that absolutely. I will say when I first started I

[32:11] had reached out to somebody to do some similar to this management plan to kind of like

[32:18] break up the land in some polygons because, you know, in some age classifications. I didn't want to spend a whole bunch of money, and they could do it aerially, so it was just kind of a ballpark, right?

[32:33] Yeah. We put it in 10-year age groups. And at that point it was like, he wanted $10,000, and I was like, man, I don't want to go in here and ask him for that. And that was not a whole plan, right?

[32:43] but that was just to kind of help me get my filet of the land, if you will, to kind of understand what we had or where we were at.

[32:51] So, I've certainly put out RFPs, you know, in my position as public work director here, and in four towns I saw it.

[32:57] That certainly is in my wheelhouse. And I know the people to kind of go to.

[33:02] So with that, Mr. Mayor, would it be possible for the VA to be allowed to make a motion to ask the County Council to approve this is both going off an RFP for force management plan for the city's watershed and an RFP for a cruise, present value cruise of the temperate with our city for sure is our contact your representative.

[33:25] We call that a motion is there a second.

[33:29] Second all right motion a second any discussion

[33:33] Would you guys like for me to kind of get this thing together and then send it out, you know to you to look at

[33:40] I think what you probably do is bring the RFP back to us for approval. Okay. Okay. Yeah, and then

[33:47] It would be sent in there

[33:49] Thank you so much for

[33:52] I guess we had some more run-off that went from

[33:55] the watershed into Fox Creek and you mitigated that with some rock.

[34:01] So the plan was so old, the master plan, the plan was so old, I thought these were new

[34:07] rows happening, I'm like, what and he got mad and I'm like, what and so yeah, we definitely

[34:14] I mean, a new plan going forward.

[34:18] And so I would request from staff that,

[34:23] so I had no idea on the watershed liaison.

[34:27] I had no idea that we had a kind of information

[34:29] about anything that was going on with the runoff.

[34:32] And I'd like to be kept in the loop

[34:33] and it wouldn't be filtered out maybe from staff.

[34:36] It would be great for me.

[34:38] But yeah, I also noticed that there's

[34:42] And nothing in the watershed plan for cyber anything.

[34:47] And so I spoke with Kayla just so everybody knows that

[34:50] more power solutions.

[34:52] And we want to incorporate that in the EOP.

[34:55] She's going to check all the devices and make sure that they're all,

[35:00] you know, go set it with their devices and then everyone is accounted for

[35:04] because she wasn't quite sure.

[35:06] And so they'll be getting back to us with that.

[35:10] Because it's so outdated, the only kind of structure that we have for any kind of emergency

[35:15] is a fire or somebody shooting them there.

[35:18] There's nothing that covers any kind of cyber security on, you know, the different

[35:22] kilometers and things.

[35:24] What kind of cyber threats do you think would be in the watershed just?

[35:28] Oh, they can spoof reports, they can like say that the watershed, the water is bad when it's

[35:33] not, or it's good when it isn't.

[35:35] Certain things, there's a whole thing on it.

[35:36] Well, the city of McMinville just had something happen, not too long ago, and they're having a back panel because they got hacked, yeah.

[35:43] One thing that I did want to give some credit to Pat McCoy for here is that we had a dam inspection recently.

[35:51] And this is one of the things that we budgeted for because we knew the dam inspection was coming up.

[35:55] So we've been up at the watershed before the work that you guys did, and after the inspection was slimmingly.

[36:02] All right, our regulators are really, really happy with that.

[36:06] They said, you know, do all this work that you just did in there that is a lot more accessible, a lot of the debris was removed.

[36:11] And it just looks a whole lot better.

[36:13] So I really wanted to thank you directly for that work.

[36:16] One of the things just I'd like to get back to the cyber attacks on the watershed.

[36:22] So we call it the watershed, but we're not taking any water from it.

[36:33] There's nothing computer up there, everything is manually, manual locks, like there's no pump house, there's no, it's all gravity fed, it's like, it's basically the same system that your, our great-grandfathers had, you know, so there's really, yeah, it's great.

[36:53] Literally. It's crazy. I mean like, but I don't disagree on the cyber stuff for our water plant

[37:03] that draws from the pump house, but I'm not a cyber expert, but I'd be shocked if someone could

[37:14] cyberly do anything to the watershed and let's say a hijacked your red Ford pickup or something.

[37:21] I mean, Brian, I know it, but I'm just saying like there's zero, there's zero computer technology.

[37:33] Yeah, no, I'm not saying it'd be a rust question really, but I'm just trying to bring some clarity to, you know, I don't, it's really been the same for 100 years.

[37:50] So they're really literally like with our wooden. Yeah, that's how you beat a cyber attack is you have stuff that's so old

[37:57] I mean, I'd be more worried about

[38:04] Trust passers, you know them

[38:07] Vandalism

[38:09] Right, you know

[38:12] You

[38:19] bet see up

[38:21] But I mean good discussion. I mean, that's how we yeah, sure good

[38:27] get to where we need to be.

[38:29] Hey, before we move on to part,

[38:31] when we talk about this RFP for...

[38:34] And real quick, all those in favor.

[38:37] Oh, sorry.

[38:39] Before he leaves the room.

[38:41] Before he leaves the room.

[38:43] Opposed?

[38:44] All right, the eyes have it.

[38:46] So we'll get those RFPs.

[38:47] OK, so.

[38:49] Just to get myself a little bit of some walls here,

[38:53] When we talk about cruising that, what are we after of value, you know, if I'm a little

[39:02] leery about the value, I mean, it's nice, but it changes with the market.

[39:08] There's so much.

[39:09] Yeah.

[39:10] Here, here, here, here.

[39:11] Yeah.

[39:12] Just, we have a forced management plan.

[39:14] But I would like to place in time for everybody to follow future counsels for media and

[39:19] advocacy.

[39:20] At this date, I, with this much law, here's where I was scanning through the, it was, the net

[39:25] forecast.

[39:26] So, okay.

[39:27] Just they have a peace line.

[39:28] Because we don't need a peace line.

[39:30] Yeah.

[39:30] And so, that's all of the proofs that they can come back with.

[39:33] You know, you're starting looking at the temperatures.

[39:34] you might find yourself locked in and all of a sudden you can skim some of the tape that you can scoop it.

[39:39] Yeah, that was the case.

[39:42] But yeah, I'm with you, but the question is,

[39:44] like at what age are,

[39:47] does this take cost a tremendous amount of money to be suddenly honest with you?

[39:50] You know, it's good, it's going to be constant.

[39:53] I think that you should get good crews for $20,000, right?

[39:58] Yeah, we'll have to put some barbells on,

[40:00] like at what age we're going to cut it off.

[40:03] I mean, it's hard to say what we consider a worse number.

[40:06] Exactly.

[40:07] So it's...

[40:08] OK, OK.

[40:09] All right.

[40:10] And I was in there, Kate, that's standard.

[40:11] What's the standard?

[40:14] Is it a chip?

[40:15] Yeah.

[40:16] Something like that.

[40:18] Yeah.

[40:19] I got to concentrate.

[40:20] We're in love.

[40:21] And because we're governing entity, we're feeling similar.

[40:25] Right.

[40:25] So this is a hard, good stuff.

[40:28] It's a good thing to do.

[40:30] Well, I should...

[40:34] All right.

[40:38] I got you all of my resolve.

[40:42] And what's important to me is we've got a sustainable tree farm up there.

[40:48] You know, I don't want to get into a situation where we're like, man, I wish we wouldn't

[40:53] to log so much.

[40:53] No, we can't log anymore.

[40:55] Okay.

[40:55] This little regret we've had has helped us a lot.

[40:58] Yeah.

[40:58] you know when I started it was like we want to cut trees at 55 years old will we still don't

[41:02] really have anything up there 55 years old other than kind of a garbage patch of hardwood

[41:06] that I'm hoping that market comes back so we could get that back at this Douglasburg.

[41:12] So you know we don't need to worry about them getting too big we're a long ways away from that

[41:18] but I'm with you and so this it's very important to realize that the fact that we haven't

[41:22] logged has done nothing but like help that water shut out because it really was kind of over cut

[41:26] And it wasn't fire, and it really was prior to that even, it needed some time, so I appreciate

[41:35] you tremendously understanding that, and I mean, I mean, I wouldn't mind getting on

[41:39] it.

[41:40] I mean, if the study came back, we should be logging every two to three years, I mean, it

[41:47] is what it is, I mean, but we got to consider that money we don't count on.

[41:53] Exactly.

[41:54] Exactly.

[41:55] Okay.

[41:55] Well, and we also, the other thing is, since this forest management plan was put together,

[42:01] we had that other property purchased, right?

[42:03] So we had another, like, 40 acres, and so what does that look like?

[42:06] What's that inventory?

[42:07] What's that age?

[42:08] So it's in your right to mention about the different regulations, the stuff about the stream

[42:12] buffers.

[42:13] I mean, they've added significant volumes and volumes of regulations.

[42:17] Yeah.

[42:18] On top of that, you know, there's even more lands where it's taken out just to protect

[42:22] I mean, Byron did a really great job of like making, there's kind of an inner gorge there, which we kind of locked down

[42:27] a little bit. He didn't, which I 100% agreed with. I mean, he, so it's even more so than you would think. Honestly, what gets taken out of production?

[42:37] I, I, I welcome the, the plan. I think it'd be cool. I'll get on it.

[42:41] Does anybody else have any questions?

[42:47] You want him to come back for the October meeting with an RFP and more information?

[42:50] I don't get an RFP, doesn't matter.

[42:54] All right.

[42:55] Yeah.

[42:55] Sounds good.

[42:56] Thank you.

[42:57] Thanks for your time.

[43:03] Two big things.

[43:04] Yeah.

[43:06] All right.

[43:08] Next item.

[43:09] Library Board appointments.

[43:11] So we do have a vacancy.

[43:13] We've had a vacancy on library board.

[43:17] Sometime back, Janet said Lee had applied for a library board.

[43:22] Was appointed to library board.

[43:23] Life gets in the way. Things come up. She's got more availability now. So I'd even used

[43:28] in it's in the packet her previous application from a couple of years ago, but I, you know,

[43:33] the library board wanted to bring her back. I called her a couple of weeks ago and she

[43:37] said she wants to come back and serve and they could use some help. So I staff recommends

[43:43] that Janet be reappointed to library board. Well, she will continue to serve with honor.

[43:50] Yeah, I like her.

[43:52] All right.

[43:52] It's great to work with you.

[43:54] Is there a motion?

[43:56] It's a move.

[43:57] Second.

[43:58] Second.

[43:59] All right, motion a second to a point.

[44:01] Janet to the Library Board.

[44:05] Any discussion?

[44:07] I'd just like to note for the record.

[44:11] She lives at 112 West 10th Street.

[44:15] There has been some criticism in the past that

[44:21] There was quite a few library board members that didn't live in the city, so I just want

[44:27] to point out that she does reside within the city limits.

[44:33] Any other discussion?

[44:37] All those in favor?

[44:40] The pose?

[44:42] All right, the ice-havoc, congratulations, Janet.

[44:48] All right, next item is Veterans Way Safety Improvements.

[44:53] And you know what?

[44:57] My suggestion is we move this to unfil-

[45:00] We're going to finish business because two of the people that really wanted this on the agenda are not here tonight. If you guys are okay with it, I'd like to just bump it to October. They put a lot of work into this. They put a lot of work into it. So I want to make sure that they're here.

[45:20] Okay. So we'll bump that to October. Yeah, sounds good.

[45:29] And it's not time sensitive. There's some grants sitting out there right now or are we?

[45:33] have to move fast on it so I just want to make sure they're here. All right so

[45:39] that moves us to council reports.

[45:46] Denise you got anything? I've finished eight

[45:51] of

[45:56] the FEMA classes I finished eight of those I have quite a few more hours

[46:03] so

[46:05] Oh, I'm gonna wait on that.

[46:06] Yeah, those are fun.

[46:07] Oh, really?

[46:09] He was an emergency rescuer.

[46:11] I took all those classes.

[46:13] Yeah, I really did.

[46:14] No, it's a good job taking it.

[46:17] And let's see, that's about it.

[46:20] Thanks, Denise.

[46:22] Jeremy, you got anything?

[46:24] I would just like to thank public work

[46:26] and I believe you for it pushes

[46:28] kind of on 7th and B Street there.

[46:33] Oh yeah, the public works did that?

[46:36] Yes, I was getting hit on a daily basis, people coming down to some of the street right

[46:41] there, not being able to see a bee street, so I appreciate that.

[46:46] I did the trees on Highway 30.

[46:50] I don't mind cutting it, I just don't like picking up the branches.

[46:54] So public works was nice enough to pick up the branches, but if anybody else wants to

[46:59] do some cutting, public works will

[47:01] pick up the branches.

[47:05] Yeah, it's not a bad trade.

[47:11] It was more than I thought it was

[47:12] going to be. They wouldn't have fit in my truck.

[47:17] Anything else, Jeremy? Yeah. All right.

[47:20] Robert, I don't have anything but the speaking of trees. We have something to discuss.

[47:25] Yeah, actually, we had a tree one here.

[47:27] It was an accident under Russ's reports.

[47:30] Okay.

[47:31] That's why I thought.

[47:32] I just want to make sure that we did skip.

[47:35] Okay, we promised these folks we'd talk about this.

[47:37] No, I was just trying to hurry up so they couldn't comment.

[47:39] No, that's easy.

[47:41] I'm joking.

[47:42] I don't know anything tonight.

[47:44] All right, Russ, if you want to just go ahead and go first

[47:47] and then talk about that tree.

[47:49] Good.

[47:50] So the tree they brought us up fell down.

[47:52] The neighbour next door had one week and four of them, a couple years ago, we had to take a broken tree in there.

[47:59] There's four trees left, they're all covered in 80.

[48:02] I have an estimate for $25.00, we remove all four of them and then all the trees that are on the city property in there.

[48:09] So I would appreciate you guys to approve me now, all four trees taken.

[48:14] Okay, is there a motion?

[48:17] Yeah.

[48:21] Okay, all four trees go down, cut down.

[48:24] Is there a second?

[48:25] I'll say a second.

[48:26] All right, motion and a second to accept the bid to cut all four trees down.

[48:32] Any discussion?

[48:35] And just confirming this will abate the concerns that the neighbors had.

[48:44] All right, any other discussion?

[48:47] All those in favor?

[48:48] Aye.

[48:49] Opposed?

[48:51] All right.

[48:51] The I-7.

[48:52] I did say that I'd give you opportunity to speak.

[48:55] Do you need that opportunity anymore?

[48:58] Okay.

[48:59] I didn't think so.

[49:00] Thank you all for coming in.

[49:01] Yeah.

[49:02] That's why nobody voted now, I think.

[49:05] You've got to look them right at the eye and say, hey, go.

[49:07] I just sorry.

[49:08] This is too much.

[49:09] Not necessary.

[49:10] Yeah.

[49:12] All right.

[49:13] Russ, do you have anything else?

[49:17] I did include in the packet.

[49:19] So here's the technical memorandum that Russ put together.

[49:24] They sent it to the liaisons in the mayor.

[49:26] So this is what's going over to DDQ.

[49:40] Does anybody have any questions for us at all?

[49:44] Here is the roof on the senior center.

[49:47] Was that completed?

[49:49] How did that turn out?

[49:51] Good.

[49:52] I think it was happening with it.

[49:53] Okay.

[49:53] You said it didn't have that one.

[49:54] Yeah.

[49:55] It's all included.

[49:55] It took them on two and a half days.

[49:57] Okay.

[49:59] Well, and as Doris pointed out, Richard's road, we've been waiting a while to get that done.

[50:05] Kenny Neal was up there today, kind of putting the finishing touches on his end, and then up next is the curves and sidewalks.

[50:11] So we've been waiting a long time to get that done. Looks like it's getting done right.

[50:16] Shouldn't have any more problems up there. Yeah, Pat and I was a little talking about that.

[50:18] Yeah, we used to hold them in the next few weeks, we used to get the curb done, and then

[50:24] we'll do that with a fix on the little spots in the area that we've had more of the sewer weeks in.

[50:29] There's about five spots up there right now, but we'll fix all that once.

[50:34] All right, Alicia?

[50:36] Yes.

[50:38] Last week we asked about our...

[50:47] We have multiple ways people do with credit cards.

[50:51] So first, the in office payments in person, so that's the actual people that come in and just swipe their top third cards.

[50:59] We paid 2.5% plus 10 cents per item for back and then the ones that are paid that would be over the phone,

[51:09] which we don't really like to do, but some of our fourth people, that's how they have to pay.

[51:16] They don't live close if you don't have the website they can't pay the website for those.

[51:22] That's 3.4% and 20 cents per item, so that's 4%.

[51:27] So it was a 602 is that how much we had to pay for fees

[51:34] And then 580 in June

[52:13] So for the month of June, it was 9.15 that we had to pay out a pocket to just do the

[52:29] In

[52:33] whatever else

[52:33] Yeah, you know, I mean that's I mean it adds up, you know when you're the

[52:39] My thing on that one is always just been I'm not trying to make a profit off of it. I just want to break even

[52:44] You know, and it's not uncommon to go to a

[52:50] Store or something like that and they charge

[52:52] $2.55% for taking a credit card, you know?

[52:58] Well, even the gas is usually generated.

[53:00] Yeah, on their site.

[53:01] Like this is cash price and everything else is yours.

[53:04] I mean, they have charge, so they have to pass it on.

[53:07] You know, and if people don't want to pay the fees,

[53:09] we will take a check or cash, right?

[53:12] Yeah.

[53:14] Is there a fee for, like if somebody wants to,

[53:17] like for the auto pay through their checking accounts?

[53:20] Um, we get checks for those, so like if you go onto your bank account and pay for your

[53:28] account with the credit in there, whatever they spend as a check and then we process the

[53:32] check.

[53:33] And so, are you paying for the key, the key, the key, the key, the key, the key, the key,

[53:36] the key, and I don't know what that looks like, yes, you know,

[53:41] like a check fee?

[53:43] Yes, and this will enable you to do this work.

[53:57] Yeah.

[54:01] I mean, I guess the double, the other side of that sword, though, for like the, um,

[54:06] Autopays is you kind of run the risk of people not paying

[54:11] You know because when it's on set up on autopay, you know people might be like, oh, you know

[54:15] I'm gonna not do the autopay anymore. I'm just gonna pay and then it's late and we don't get the money or

[54:21] I mean, I don't know I'm just talking out loud

[54:45] What are the in office payments, again, typically?

[55:10] Yeah.

[55:12] Most people they've come in to either.

[55:18] Well, you know, in web payments, there's literally probably zero office time.

[55:23] Yeah, it's really not a lot.

[55:27] Maybe an idea to move forward, too, is maybe we eat the web payments

[55:36] because you look at it as it's really saving personnel time and we charge for the in-office payments, you know, just whatever the fee is, $2.55 or key would be $3.45. I mean,

[55:58] I don't know what do you guys think?

[55:59] I mean,

[56:08] if I had a business and it was costing me 600 bucks a month, the credit card, I'd be trying to figure out a way to make that money back.

[56:23] What do you think, Jeremy?

[56:28] I'm going to leave it up to her. She's better at design. I agree with you.

[56:38] I mean, you figure,

[56:42] so May was 600.

[56:44] What would we be seeing?

[56:46] Well, yeah, it didn't really fluctuate between the months and June. June was the month

[56:51] for those for deal that you need those as you build and make another June. So it doesn't.

[56:58] Like that, obviously.

[57:05] And you pay that fee twice.

[57:07] We have two different months because we have two different hardship services.

[57:11] So we have one. We pay fee for the in office where people come in and pay for a company

[57:19] in the grant who are in the terminal, and we have another partnership piece for Web

[57:24] E-News.

[57:26] I mean, you figure just if it was $600 a month average, look at that over a year at $7200.

[57:37] Look at it over 10 years.

[57:39] What's that?

[57:41] $72,000, right?

[57:43] I mean, when you start talking those numbers, people are like, well, geez, that's a lot,

[57:47] You know, but when you just look at a one-time 600 bucks, you know, maybe it's not doesn't feel like it's as much, but

[57:56] When you add it up, it sure is like I said, I'm not trying to make any money off of that. I'm just trying to break even and it's people's money

[58:05] I know we've discussed this last meeting before. Did we not already

[58:13] Approved to pass those through or

[58:16] Did we essentially approve it or did we have it?

[58:19] I think he just asked about it.

[58:24] Bring back more information, I think.

[58:27] I mean, I think this is the information we requested.

[58:31] Do you want to bring back a resolution that says that?

[58:34] Do you want to do the inquiries then?

[58:44] Would it be hard just to do the actual costs?

[58:48] Why

[58:52] don't you just think about what would minimize staff time, get us to a break even.

[59:03] You know, and if you have to see what other municipalities are doing or something that

[59:07] works too, but you want to just bring us back a proposal next month.

[59:19] Yeah, I just do that. That would be my inclination. Yeah, because it's especially since we're switching banks. I mean they could decide January 1st that these numbers go up a bit and then yeah, you're right. We'd have to come back.

[59:32] You know, maybe we leave the web payments alone because we want to encourage people to do it online because it saves us a ton of time on our end.

[59:44] It just gave us this kind of time and we thought it made me, I think what it kind of

[59:53] grabbed, I think it was easier.

[59:55] There is a way.

[1:00:15] All right. Well, because we might be careful with the web payments, you know, people might go, oh, well, I don't want to pay online anymore. I'll just send a chat. And then next thing, you know, you've got to go.

[1:00:30] Yeah, right. You know, I know I'm thinking, I'm going to have to order some checks.

[1:00:37] And then I went to the bank to do that, and the cashier, the teller looked at me,

[1:00:40] she's like, what? That's a thing that we do.

[1:00:45] All right. Alicia, do you have anything else?

[1:00:50] No, the audit does

[1:00:54] the next.

[1:00:58] We're thinking we should be able to have them do the presentation at the next meeting.

[1:01:02] And that will coincide with, we wanted to do quarterly financial reviews, so it coincides

[1:01:08] with that, so we should be able to do both of those things at the October meeting.

[1:01:16] All right, Scott.

[1:01:19] All right, so did meet with Brian Fawcett about the Alder-Crest subdivision issue with the

[1:01:25] Power Falls, I think they were planning on being there anyway to do some work, so I was able

[1:01:30] to get in his year and time, so whenever they go out to do that, they know that there's

[1:01:35] demand there. A lot of elections official duties, so we had a lot of interest in folks

[1:01:40] running for office and so that involved more than a few trips out to St. Helens to get

[1:01:45] the signatures verified and wanted to thank each and every person that filed to run for

[1:01:50] office this cycle and wish you the best of luck out there for that.

[1:01:54] It was lucky to have to participate in the ribbon-cutting ceremony at Columbia River Treasures.

[1:02:04] That

[1:02:06] and me, here, and Councillor Cooper met with more power afterwards to talk emergency preparedness.

[1:02:11] I think those are very good.

[1:02:13] KELT even wanted to talk about, you know, our new franchise agreement with Comcast, the

[1:02:18] PIG fees, that's public education government, and kind of what that can mean for KELTV in

[1:02:24] terms of the services that they can offer for the folks here in town, and that was very

[1:02:27] very encouraging, let's see.

[1:02:30] And there is going to be a site visit in late October with officials from the Department

[1:02:35] of Fish and Wildlife.

[1:02:37] So in terms of looking at the dam and the watershed and fish passage issues that had

[1:02:43] to talk to earlier about culverts and, you know, the whole Fox Creek discussion has been

[1:02:48] stymied for a while because some of it has to do with Highway 30 which is ODOT and then

[1:02:53] you've got one agency kind of against the other and they can't really compel each other to

[1:02:56] do anything.

[1:02:57] The part that they had talked about day lighting is under private property, so that was getting nowhere, right?

[1:03:03] So, well, I want you guys to come out and take a look toward the watershed and see if there's other opportunities to improve fish passage.

[1:03:11] And we've also been talking, Russ and I internally, you know, they sent divers down there a while ago, and the divers apparently said,

[1:03:19] yeah, never again. Well, maybe we put a camera on a boat, maybe there's a drone, we could get down there.

[1:03:25] maybe because we don't understand the obstruction right maybe it was like a big

[1:03:29] boulder maybe there's a pile lot maybe there's something going on there that

[1:03:33] doesn't require spending you know $20 million of other people's money to

[1:03:37] daylight a creek so that's one of the things we're hoping to talk to WFW about when

[1:03:41] they get here in person did the audit I did the online procurement training by

[1:03:47] League of Oregon cities and then the mayor and I met with the organizers of the

[1:03:50] Reiner River Jam concert series last week really that went well she wants to do

[1:03:54] So again, next year, I'm really happy about that,

[1:04:01] and that is all I have.

[1:04:06] Oh, no, there's one more, okay, all right, just remembered here.

[1:04:09] There will be the Rainier Chamber of Commerce is putting on a forum for mayoral and city council candidates,

[1:04:15] and that's going to be September 30th at the Rainier River Front Center,

[1:04:18] otherwise known as the senior center, starting at six o'clock.

[1:04:22] So I was told it was requested that I come and invite all our council to attend that.

[1:04:28] Is that just going to be the contested council seat?

[1:04:32] Yes.

[1:04:32] Yeah.

[1:04:33] Contested council seat and the mayor's race.

[1:04:35] Okay.

[1:04:35] What they're focusing on there.

[1:04:37] I think there's an email sent out earlier today.

[1:04:40] Okay.

[1:04:41] Good.

[1:04:43] Which state of 29?

[1:04:45] The 30th.

[1:04:46] And that will be here soon.

[1:04:48] Yeah.

[1:04:50] All right.

[1:04:50] Well, that concludes our meeting for tonight.

[1:04:53] 702.

[1:04:54] Thank you for coming.

[1:04:55] Appreciate it.

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