[0:00] Secondary type perturances. So it would just be the roof peak of that roof line. It makes it very easy for us to, you know, administer that. We're looking at a plan set. We can see what it's supposed to be. Our building inspector can measure what needs to be measured.

[0:21] It doesn't what it doesn't do is address the scale and so some of the questions that some

[0:28] of you have with us is there appears to be accessory structures that are just so large for

[0:35] whether it's the lot size that they're on or just for that property based on the primary structure

[0:41] size so this is just height so we're just talking about height but somebody could still have

[0:47] huge square footage of a building that's almost, it's not larger than their primary structure,

[0:55] but it could be significant size. So that's one thing to keep in mind. As we go higher,

[1:01] and as you go to the 28 max, we may want to consider additional setbacks. So right now if you have

[1:08] a 5 foot setback on a lot, going up 28 feet might be kind of towering over a neighbor, and so maybe

[1:16] as you go up, we push the set back further in.

[1:21] And so those are things to also consider.

[1:23] Right now it's set at just

[1:29] your zoning category

[1:30] that you're in, if you're on a mistake lot,

[1:32] you can have different restrictions.

[1:34] And if you're on a single family,

[1:43] what that would do is in some of our more internal neighborhoods

[1:45] with smaller lots, it would keep some of those towering

[1:48] structures.

[1:52] So really there's kind of a third option where we look at it

[1:56] a lot by live, kind of zoning basis. Obviously, this is all common sense. We're looking at

[2:04] this, the shed, or does the accessory structure, or does it a butter and loss we, you know,

[2:09] if it meets those type of requirements for accessory dwelling units, where do you need flexibility

[2:16] that you guys are comfortable with, but also making it very predictable for

[2:28] what we are proposing

[2:32] is coming back to you with kind of that third option. That would

[2:42] have been also kind

[2:43] of a context as it

[2:49] goes to yours. That's in line with a comprehensive plan, right? Also,

[2:55] building form is definitely a part of it.

[3:01] Would it also

[3:05] be spelled out for each plot size and building size, or is there room for interpretation,

[3:15] or personal preference so well like you know that's a good question

[3:22] staff doesn't like me so they didn't approve mine but they approve

[3:25] my neighbors and especially if you're falling all right so the challenge would be

[3:30] if you're in a single family 12 or you're in a smaller zone in the district

[3:36] and maybe you own two locks so does that mean that it's flat it or not into

[3:42] into one lot just because your lots bigger now but you're still in the zoning category where

[3:47] your neighbors are on the small lots. Those are things where I can see those in the area

[3:51] area but that will clarify so that it's no you're in that same zoning district so you have

[3:56] to stick with which your neighbor's out. But that kind of simply be clear about it. It's not going

[4:00] to be left up to conferences. I mean I think that the point of the common sense is to provide

[4:13] I feel

[4:16] like it does a pretty good job, it was really the height definition that got a lot of the latest conversations based on that height.

[4:29] So it addressed the main structure, I guess, as what it was, and the others, so we talk about all the extensions on top of we do away with those.

[4:38] the main structure is the height of the governance of the

[4:44] of the accessory structure.

[4:49] So what I've seen is now the end thing when people are

[4:53] remodeling the kind of making story.

[4:56] You have buildings and stuff about it.

[4:59] On a set of 100 square feet, are we limiting anybody

[5:01] from making anything?

[5:04] You know, because of the way the property is.

[5:09] I just don't want them to limit somebody from doing something like a moron to structure.

[5:17] It can be a real nice addition to gravity, right?

[5:20] So yeah, this would be, again, sensitive to the primary structure.

[5:24] This is just the accessory.

[5:25] Oh, it's primary structure.

[5:27] You're primary structure.

[5:29] It's going to follow our maximum heights for your zoning districts and things like that.

[5:33] Look, which would allow two stories and then again, if you came in,

[5:36] You wanted the two-story, accessory building, as long as it was at 25 or 28 feet or under or less than the primaries.

[5:44] Let's enter into your object.

[5:48] So, apparently in the past, it's been kind of hard to follow.

[5:50] So, what's the best builders, the residents, and staff to try to tackle our time to deal with?

[5:57] But that's probably how we need to look at it, too.

[6:00] So, it's just, it's real clear.

[6:02] Very clear.

[6:03] Because right now, it hasn't been some samples.

[6:07] I think this is the easiest way to show that.

[6:09] Yeah, some graphital.

[6:11] Yeah.

[6:13] That'd be good.

[6:14] But yeah, making it predictable, and that way,

[6:17] somebody's looking at it for their own property.

[6:19] I know whether they can get into the creature.

[6:21] I like the idea of a set back, too,

[6:23] if it's a taller structure.

[6:25] Maybe moving it out a little further.

[6:26] So it's just not looking in somebody's backyard pool, right?

[6:30] No, that can't be possible.

[6:31] But it's just accessory.

[6:34] So, okay, because I was going to ask you what happens when somebody's got one of the older

[6:39] homes with pretty much a flat roof on it.

[6:42] So, yeah, they want to add on to it and go 40 feet up in the air behind it.

[6:48] I mean, still I think it's still attached, but what's going to prevent that from happening

[6:53] again.

[6:54] It's not that stuff.

[6:55] It's a accessory.

[6:56] It's primary, but in that instance, we have maximum heights.

[7:01] Yeah.

[7:01] They are zoning.

[7:02] So like, hopefully,

[7:11] I mean, if you're comparing it to the main structure, then we've got

[7:14] a lot out of code.

[7:15] So take for instance, the house across the street where you are, they have the flat roof,

[7:20] so they're limited to whatever that is, 12 feet, they can't go 15 feet.

[7:25] So thinking about the corner of the fence and the home camp.

[7:29] Yeah.

[7:32] That's attached. That's attached. That's different. I don't know what it is. Well, is it? Yeah. If you put it to me, if it fits within the primary structure, if you think. If your addition is a two-story structure, only two, it connects to the house. That's different. Yeah. Like it over, example, was that case where the primary structure was expanded at the same time as the accessory building, and they physically attached it to where it came off the kitchen.

[8:01] and what they're in the last week, so they were able to

[8:18] go out for less than the primary structure.

[8:21] They

[8:30] had in that case, the accessory structure would

[8:36] happen.

[8:37] Maybe this is another day or something, but they have these breezeways, a walkway in between the access to the structure and the main building to make it into a main building.

[8:49] And that becomes, you know, if it's attached to the main building, it's wanting.

[8:54] But it's open, so it's not exactly attached.

[8:58] covered walkway.

[9:04] So then if I definition becomes an accessory structure,

[9:08] you'll be allowed to have even if it's connected to the main building.

[9:14] If it's said a non-perconditioning space, I mean,

[9:19] so now that that's zoning versus building code.

[9:24] So we're talking about firecode and residential code,

[9:34] but I think what we were proposing is to come back on the road.

[9:37] in October as a joint work session with Ph.E. and I'm hearing all those, I hope that

[9:43] Council and Ph.E. together and then talk about this one more time with the final

[9:48] ordinance and came to what's drafted and then you guys can speak about that together

[9:53] and

[9:58] then we'll talk about the correct statutory structure.

[10:02] And then Arden is here.

[10:05] Some of you have met Arden Sparks.

[10:08] She, her novel, looks at some other things too.

[10:10] that we can fix some consistent challenges

[10:13] without that we may bring up.

[10:18] The height issue is pretty standard around the area

[10:20] for most codes.

[10:21] I've looked about in some other cities.

[10:24] So the right line, nothing out of the ordinary.

[10:29] So we'll definitely put a tier, like, as it goes up.

[10:32] And all we'll have on the screen is if you're out of a low

[10:37] 15 feet, then maybe you can have a five foot set back

[10:40] so if you're going over 15

[10:44] feet.

[10:44] It's not really a template standard.

[10:46] It's compared to other communities.

[10:51] Or is it something new that we're seeing?

[10:53] Or?

[10:53] I think it's really based on the size and loss that we have.

[10:57] It's really more of a lot.

[11:00] The other cities do have a tier.

[11:03] Yeah, absolutely.

[11:06] So you could have a table that shows all that too.

[11:09] That's good.

[11:10] I think showing what pictures though.

[11:12] Oh, I'm very old.

[11:13] Yeah.

[11:13] More pictures.

[11:14] I'm sure.

[11:16] All right.

[11:19] Anybody else have anything else?

[11:20] All right.

[11:22] We move on.

[11:23] Item one.

[11:23] Seed is discussion of the proposed 2024 International Code.

[11:29] A bookable, more central, Texas Council of Governments, regional amendments, and

[11:34] the 2022 National Electrical Code.

[11:38] This discussion also addresses how the codes apply to older buildings and when

[11:42] of renovations, changes of occupancy,

[11:45] or other safe conditions may require additional work.

[11:48] Jason, please present some research.

[11:51] So if you recall, we brought this back

[11:52] about the same time as the accessory structures.

[11:56] We've been working to bring our 2018 codes up to the 2024 standards

[12:03] when we talked originally back in that last workshop,

[12:06] we talked about bringing the electric code to the 2020-2023 code

[12:12] And instead we got some feedback from Council at that time.

[12:15] Let's just go to the 2026 electric code,

[12:17] because the state just adopted that.

[12:19] And it's in effect as of September 1 of this year.

[12:23] So we've kind of changed that recommendation

[12:25] to bring everything up to the 2024 codes with the cog amendments.

[12:29] But on the electric code,

[12:31] to bring that into the 2026 version.

[12:37] So you asked our staff to look at like a table.

[12:40] It's just going to deter investment when your investment renovation is going to make it harder for businesses to come here.

[12:48] So Chief Rhodes has done enough research on the fire side.

[12:52] JP and I talked about what's the changes going to be to the buildings that have been residential outside.

[12:58] So I can speak a little to that.

[12:59] But I'd like Chief Rhodes to come up and just give you an update of what his thoughts are from the fire perspective.

[13:17] So my approach tonight is to address two things that, and we can discuss whatever you want in relation to the Farco, but when we met in May, there was two questions that Council asked.

[13:31] One of them, it was, are we getting trained related to the new addition of the Farcode,

[13:38] which we have done so this year?

[13:40] Our inspector Brian Brindling here in the back has went to multiple classes during the year

[13:45] one just, I believe, has last week, where he went to a regional training session related

[13:52] to the new Farcode.

[13:55] So we have been doing that, this year mine has been a little more informal research on my

[14:00] have not went to any formal classes. The second question that you asked is what would happen

[14:06] if we decided to not adopt these codes specifically the International Fire Code and stay

[14:13] with the 2018 edition. So there's a few things that we can talk about on that and I'll try to

[14:19] move along pretty quickly. We currently have an ISO score of 83.48 which puts us comfortably in an ISO

[14:29] to score evaluation, which is about 15% of the fire departments across the state of Texas.

[14:36] So it puts us in what you would call on the lead tier.

[14:39] One is the best score.

[14:41] Ten is a non-recognized department.

[14:45] With that 83.48, Councilman Spear, you specifically asked this question and I didn't have

[14:51] a good answer for you at the time.

[14:52] I do tonight.

[14:53] We would potentially lose the ISO to score.

[15:00] Rating, and go to a three. Matter of fact, I feel like the research that I found, I can tell you that that is near certainty, depending if there's no other factors involved in an ISO evaluation that would put us two additions out.

[15:15] And we have a margin below 80 takes you to a three. So if we work to lose any more than 3.48 points, we're going to go to a three.

[15:26] What does that do to our community? Well, so a couple of things to take into consideration on an average residential home.

[15:38] It's a little harder to explain on the residential side because certain insurance carriers approach the ISO public protection classification a little differently.

[15:50] But as a rule, the increase to a potential single-family residential homeowner here on their insurers premiums would be between zero and three percent annually, which on and I used a value of 275 to 325 on the house range, just to kind of give us something to talk about.

[16:16] that equates to about a seventy five dollar a year increase not crazy but it's still an increase

[16:22] it's more significant on the commercial side uh on a smart commercial retail just going from

[16:29] that two to three could potentially have them increase a four to seven percent uh insurance premium

[16:37] increase which ranges around two hundred fifty to six hundred dollars annually on a large

[16:42] commercial, that number grows quite a bit up to $2, $2, $2, $5, $500 a year.

[16:49] Potentially, again, all of this is just me doing research on what would, could happen if we

[16:56] were to lose our ISO to the value issue.

[17:01] From any questions on that, are any need for me to explain a little more detail on how the

[17:09] rating format is done by ISO for public protection classifications.

[17:17] Chief, can you talk a little bit about the battery storage and some of those?

[17:20] Yes, sir.

[17:22] So when we talked in May, we gave you kind of a quick overview and I'll revisit that.

[17:31] The most significant changes from the 18 edition to the 2024 edition are these.

[17:39] At, in the 18 edition, on Lithamide, Ion battery storage, there was hardly anything, there's hardly anything

[17:46] of the rest in the 18 edition.

[17:49] In the 2024, you have your first ever comprehensive standards at lying stores, thresholds, permitting triggers,

[17:56] and active suppression requirements.

[17:57] So, it addresses battery, Lithium Ion batteries in detail, and gives us a little bit of a

[18:06] The ability to follow guidelines there.

[18:09] Another one that's a significant one is carbon monoxide alarms.

[18:13] That was limited mostly to residential structures or locations that have fuel fire to plants, restaurants,

[18:20] like natural gas, things like that.

[18:22] In the new 2024, it's mandatory.

[18:25] Carbon monoxide detection is mandatory across all commercial, retail, institutional and residential occupancies,

[18:32] which I'm making calls over years on carbon dioxide, poisoning situations, especially in single

[18:39] family homes.

[18:41] I'm a firm believer that this is a very important upgrade.

[18:45] The other ones are fire command centers for fire alarm systems, radio, public address,

[18:53] top set-ups in fire alarm systems. There are some changes in dimensions on the fire

[19:02] code. It went from 20 to 24 feet on width and also it went from 13-6 which is

[19:08] our ordinance under low-hate on vertical clearance to 14 feet because apparatus

[19:15] are just bigger and bigger now and they continue to to get bigger in size for one

[19:22] or another. And so that for the most part are your biggest changes in the fire code. They

[19:31] they don't just rewrite the whole thing and just kind of add these things above.

[19:36] There's some information there about distilleries, breweries, things like that that were added

[19:41] as well, and anything else that I can address on the changes I'd be happy to.

[19:49] So what triggers some of the changes like that bring something up to code?

[19:53] So if you're talking about residential, I want to remodel my kitchen.

[19:57] Do I have to bring the whole house up to code?

[19:59] Is that the kind of thing?

[20:01] Is it what kind of changes like that?

[20:02] Are we going to see that are different from what we've got now?

[20:05] The problem at primary and for us, the residential single family, we don't get to involved in that.

[20:11] That would be under the residential code building official would probably get involved

[20:15] If somebody was doing a significant remodel for us, when a trigger of a significant remodel that exceeds a threshold generally, it's like 50% on a commercial business, or they apply for a new certificate of occupancy.

[20:32] Then that grandfathering guideline under under whatever addition of the fire code that they went in under.

[20:39] Let's say they were built in 2012.

[20:42] They might be under the 10 or 14 or 2008 edition of the fire code at that time.

[20:50] So they're technically grandfathered and less is unless it's a life safety issue.

[20:54] That's always current.

[20:56] But if somebody comes in for a big remodel,

[21:00] are a new certificate of occupancy. They're going to meet if we adopt the 2024 they would meet

[21:06] the those codes and carbon monoxide detection system would be part of that. Okay, so take

[21:11] for instance on 26 the black envelope, a Tadea building that's currently for sale. Yes, sir. So that

[21:18] has to be brought up. So they have to sprinkle the building too. Is that something, is that part of

[21:25] this, or you just talk about just a electrical for your work.

[21:30] Let me jump in there.

[21:31] Please.

[21:32] Yeah, for that specific building, if it was vacant for six months or more, when we get a new,

[21:38] excuse me, a new CEO.

[21:42] They're looking at the building type, not just the occupancy type.

[21:46] But that building, I believe, is over six thousand square feet, which would require.

[21:50] Okay.

[21:53] That's the option A and option B component that we discussed under the cog amendments.

[22:00] And we generally, well, let me rephrase that.

[22:04] Most of our neighboring cities, with the exception, I'll say a fourth or

[22:07] third Alice, generally go with option B, which is the managers like he stated,

[22:13] would anything over 6,000 square foot in the new code, would put you over to

[22:18] necessitating automatic sprinkles just to be and that's it our existing code. It is. It is.

[22:23] It is. It is. It is. It is really adding a lot of hardship for developers to come in.

[22:27] I don't I don't I don't think so. Some of the research.

[22:30] It appears when you're looking into that with these developers that are used to doing and so many departments, communities are adopting the new code that it is more consistent for them and easier to be all generally working under the same addition of the fire code.

[22:50] So it, when I was looking into this, it looks like a negative really in a way in a community

[22:56] when you do not maintain the current coach.

[23:04] That's my threat, is it for our contractors and for developers, if we're more current,

[23:11] we're going to make it easier on them and make it cleaner for our inspection teams.

[23:16] And so to be clear, this is 2826 is for residential and

[23:20] commercial, right?

[23:22] 2024.

[23:23] It's for everything.

[23:24] Except for the electrical.

[23:25] The electrical is not relevant.

[23:27] Electrical.

[23:27] So, 236 is for residential and commercial.

[23:30] So, you want to put a power wall.

[23:32] You want to put something else.

[23:33] To the court.

[23:34] Get it to.

[23:35] Right.

[23:36] And it covers it.

[23:37] It does have it.

[23:38] They have adopted the local amendments for that.

[23:41] For the natural electrical.

[23:42] Right.

[23:43] We were not sure if they would have those adopted yet.

[23:45] And

[23:50] the Kog does a lot of the work force so that it's all worked out, this sure lots of input.

[23:56] This seems to align well if we adopt this.

[23:59] That's what I'd recommend to the you know, it just makes bit sense.

[24:02] Now I've got some things on the screen that kind of show you what would trigger you know,

[24:07] holding code update and then J.P. had written this memo before he left.

[24:13] So in the packet is basically you

[24:18] know, when you're talking about routine maintenance work,

[24:20] And you're going to do something small in your house, kind of like what you've said with that 50% or more.

[24:25] That's really made existing building code, which is the IEPC, the building code, and the residential code,

[24:34] made your work as for those larger operations.

[24:39] But if you're doing routine or smaller pair, that doesn't necessarily mean you have to bring the entire building up to code.

[24:44] Just what you're doing has to be up to code.

[24:49] Property made in its code, which is the IEPC.

[24:51] those are the what we use for commercial properties

[24:57] and there's not really anything

[25:00] local

[25:05] so that's really to

[25:42] call us first. They find out what codes were on a lot

[25:46] of times we'll set them in contact with the other talks to talk to the building

[25:50] official

[25:53] so if we can knock out the preliminary where

[25:59] it's typically what happens is

[26:02] one residential person you know homes that live there for 40 years they hire a

[26:08] contractor, and they don't call the city first. That's where we've come into the issues

[26:15] because there wasn't a heart attack or an

[26:29] engine.

[26:29] Chief, on quick question, we have a lot of houses here with natural gas.

[26:36] We mandate carbon monoxide detectors now. Why don't we mandate gas detectors in the house

[26:44] because it does a gas leak, which happened recently and there was no, you know, detector

[26:53] inside.

[26:55] So, is that something which is there in any of these courts or we just didn't know, we don't

[27:01] need to adopt it.

[27:03] So, if I'm going to try to, I think I understand where you're going where the question

[27:09] First off, on all of our residential homes, and less, they do some kind of remodel, like

[27:18] that the manager said, they don't have to have a carbon monoxide detector in their home.

[27:22] They don't have to have a smoke detector in their home.

[27:25] Now we proactively try to educate the public on the importance of that, especially smoke detectors.

[27:31] That's a given, but we also try to do the same thing on carbon monoxide detection.

[27:37] It's odorless, it's near the value of air, so it doesn't synchronize that much, and so we try to educate people, but if we had a new housing edition come in, it would be mandated.

[27:50] And you would have to have hardwired in-series smoke detectors under the residential code, all of those things are tied in. But for the existing homes, unless they proactively do that, then they may or may not have this.

[28:09] Yeah, I'm talking about the idea of the new idea and I think to a house and then they have to put those series in a series

[28:17] of small detectives we put and if the house has the gas that we should have a gas detector

[28:26] because these lines are old and they pop a leak.

[28:30] But not everyone can smell it.

[28:32] And yeah, it's true.

[28:35] It's breathe carry.

[28:36] I don't know.

[28:37] I don't know.

[28:37] I don't know that.

[28:39] I

[28:42] don't have any videos.

[28:45] Thanks a lot.

[28:46] Thank you, sir.

[28:46] Thank you.

[28:47] No, we've been working on this.

[28:48] Thank you, Chief.

[28:49] Yes, sir.

[28:52] Item 1D is discussion of the process.

[28:54] We're selecting a permissible judge.

[28:58] Council may direct staff to conduct

[28:59] Enrichland Hill solicitation or participate in a joint process

[29:03] With North Richland Hills, I'm going to talk, Jason, if you want to.

[29:07] Yes, mayor.

[29:08] So I had reached out to City Manager of North Richland Hills and the City Manager of

[29:13] Otaga, the three cities all had Judge Vass as they're presiding judge.

[29:20] And I just asked them what their timeline or process was.

[29:24] We have two associate judges that you have appointed in the past that have terms that go

[29:29] for December of 2027.

[29:31] That's Judge RB in Judge Wolfe.

[29:33] So we're covered right now.

[29:35] We've got magistrate.

[29:37] We've been able to have the ability to hold court.

[29:42] But in terms of hiring or appointing a presiding judge,

[29:47] the question is, Norfolkian Hill is suggested,

[29:50] hey, if we want to go out as a group,

[29:53] there could be a potential solicitation

[29:55] for municipal judge in my life.

[30:00] Be a better opportunity if the kind of the three cities are multiple cities versus us individually going out.

[30:07] So before I responded to North Virginia's on that, I wanted to counsel and get your take.

[30:14] What your preference with the staff doesn't necessarily have any recommendations.

[30:18] We think that Judge Bass was kind of a one-on-a-kind guy, and I don't know that we can replicate him.

[30:25] So, what we're not going to overreplicate now, but I do like the idea of the three cities still trying to know together.

[30:32] It just, you know, it does help lock down somebody.

[30:37] And it makes the people know the area better.

[30:40] You know, I think it's faster.

[30:42] The area better.

[30:44] It was there.

[30:45] I'm going to talk to there.

[30:46] It was not here.

[30:47] So, yeah, if we could do that, that would be great.

[30:50] And I think that's good consistency across the board, that way too, I agree, so also they don't

[30:56] say, oh, get in trouble in that time they're not going to mess with you, so we're

[31:01] not going to do it in that time, so I think it's just consistency across the board.

[31:06] I think joint is definitely the way to go because it brings consistency and if we're all

[31:11] going to use this judge, so it seems to me better that we all work together in the campus.

[31:16] How would you see these selection processes in this too?

[31:24] So they put together kind of an RFP or I'm assuming kind of like a job search type committee together and it would be made up of our municipal court administrators through the various cities to put something out in the neighboring kind of the final candidates to the councils.

[31:49] So, even if we go to the joint process, it doesn't mean you have to go all higher the same judge.

[31:54] And the other two cities may not want to do this.

[31:56] They may come back and say, no, we want to do our own thing.

[32:00] So, just by us telling all that city manager of North Michigan,

[32:04] we have our council's interested.

[32:06] She'll take it to her council and say, we're going to take it to the Natalya Council

[32:11] and ask for the same feedback.

[32:12] But we would go through that process probably over the next 60 days.

[32:20] You think there would be any cost savings if we did a joint selection on this?

[32:26] I mean, I don't know, but they still have to cover all cities.

[32:30] Yeah, I mean, with Judge Bath, you know, we have an hourly rate, or a set of budget amount.

[32:36] Basically, we've got a salary, and I believe, like, you

[32:45] know, paid hours, you know,

[32:57] just some real strictly paid by the average that that judge is here.

[33:01] It's

[33:05] going to be like a chance.

[33:06] Yeah, that's good.

[33:08] We get up.

[33:08] We get a chance.

[33:09] Yeah, sure.

[33:11] OK.

[33:13] All right?

[33:13] That's over.

[33:17] Sounds good.

[33:19] Sorry.

[33:19] We believe it.

[33:22] No.

[33:24] OK.

[33:24] If we get into negotiations, those also represent sort of features.

[33:29] We'll just have to go through the conflict waiver process.

[33:32] But that's further down.

[33:35] OK.

[33:38] Moving on.

[33:38] Item 1A is discussion of aging utility billing and municipal court balances under the city right off policy.

[33:47] You can share that with us please.

[33:49] Yes sir.

[33:51] Okay, so in front of you is an exhibit A.

[33:54] This is your policy that you adopted back in April of earlier this year.

[34:00] And this was in response to when we did our fiscal 20 fiscal year 25 audit.

[34:06] the auditors came and told you a couple findings that they had. One was the court and utility

[34:13] billing collections that have been on the books for a long time and there was a significant number

[34:20] that would typically have been written off over a couple of years old and so that's the policy

[34:25] you can see what we're monitoring and then who has the ability to write things off, you know,

[34:36] right off a million dollars collections without coming to Council, but there is a $5,000

[34:43] or threshold where if it's over a certain age, City Manager has the ability to write

[34:50] that off.

[34:51] Now that doesn't mean we don't try to still collect it, it just means we're writing it off

[34:54] the books.

[34:55] So it's not just staying on our college.

[34:58] 5,000 to 25,000 City Manager has the authority with Council notification and then over 25,000 would come to City Council for consideration.

[35:11] And that would be all documented for audit purposes.

[35:15] Vicki, would you like to come up and maybe help me just in case I say something out of line?

[35:23] But we've got these aging reports and there are just summaries.

[35:27] You've got the municipal court with citations.

[35:32] If you look at the fact that balance of all citations, it's kind of prints funny.

[35:39] But there's 51,000 warrant fees that are outstanding total amount.

[35:47] If you look at the bottom line, it's 4.6 million.

[35:51] And so, most of that is in just fines, court fines, and the win quit.

[36:00] And you can see that aging report 9355 are over 180 days.

[36:10] And Jason, I will say at that 4.6 million, I believe it is.

[36:15] There's a large portion of that, but it's not even our money.

[36:17] That's money that goes to the state.

[36:20] So, when we're looking at how much of that is actually ours,

[36:22] I asked Elisa to give me that breakdown so that we can know how much is truly ours, but when it comes to court, if it's that old week, we already sent that to collections with line barger for court, so we already have them already working on those cases that are over 180 days as soon, but that doesn't guarantee that we're getting money.

[36:45] So we send this to line barger after 180 days, or do we send it after 30 days?

[36:51] I'm not sure, I would have to ask Eliza on that, because I don't know at what point we send it to collections.

[36:59] Because there can be cases that are like 30 to 60 days passed through that are still waiting on,

[37:04] like they haven't appeared in court, like they've got an extension, whatever.

[37:08] So we don't necessarily send it to collections if it's still an active case.

[37:12] But if it's basically we haven't had anything that people haven't showed up.

[37:16] They haven't attempted to make anything then we would send it to collections.

[37:18] And if we're going to warrant it before it even goes in the election's line barter has the text message

[37:25] Bloss if they've been pushing out to try to get people to come in and type it will go it goes

[37:30] To warrant before it goes to collections. So when you say it goes to warrant does that mean they're going to jail?

[37:36] If they get picked up they could, yeah.

[37:39] And if it's reported, we report to regional to get right.

[37:45] So all of your warrant are reported to regional, so even if they're picked up in another city, and they have a warrant in and written hills, they will arrest them for that.

[37:53] Yeah, but this is wipe away their warrants if we know okay now and it actually wouldn't be writing off anything

[38:03] That's actually in warrants that it's like so you would have to be when when you look at right off

[38:08] You would be writing off stuff that truly is not going to be collected

[38:12] So like you know maybe there's been and I can't think of some of the scenarios right off the top of my head

[38:19] But once they're in warrant they stay in warrant

[38:21] We can still try to collect on on a date line marker, but once we put them into warrant, they

[38:26] will stay in warrant, but that's where a large portion of your time's are too, so we'll

[38:34] keep attempting to collect on those, and the warrants will stay there, even if you wrote it,

[38:40] wrote it off your books, the warrants will still stay there.

[38:43] So, is this something that one marker wasn't taken care of before, or are there gonna look at it,

[38:49] going forward or how does that how come we're we put this place now yeah it's

[38:56] not really something new okay I think that this is pretty common

[39:00] of any city to have a large outstanding court balance yeah that's just normal yeah

[39:07] it's the utility bill inside maybe a little bit easier to understand like we've

[39:12] But over three years, 856,000, those may be closed out accounts, business left,

[39:22] or the new person comes in and pays their deposit, and those other payments haven't been made, and so like those are things that we necessarily go

[39:36] with.

[39:37] Are these code fines also? I guess they are, okay.

[39:41] I'm not quite tired yet.

[39:43] Okay, so are those still attached to the house with leans?

[39:47] If they were, yes, if there was a lean attached to it.

[39:52] And so, like we have to ask, we said, pull that.

[39:57] Yeah, just pull that.

[39:59] So if we write that off, those leans would be removed.

[40:04] The only thing we're writing off is just off of our books.

[40:09] So that other stuff changes.

[40:11] So, this is not the amount we're writing off, we are writing off because most of that is state.

[40:17] So, we are writing off only our portion of it.

[40:19] Correct.

[40:20] And this is what you've done all of it.

[40:22] This is a count for instance where it's written on.

[40:25] Yeah, and you should already show on your audit.

[40:27] Like in your audit currently you should have an outstanding AR balance.

[40:31] And then there should also be a portion that's an allowance for uncollectable.

[40:35] So, you already have that kind of an amount that you're sitting out there

[40:40] you're saying we're not going to collect this. This is just a matter to actually take that off the

[40:44] books. To reduce it. Yeah, stop caring. Yeah, just let's stop caring. You're not going to

[40:49] collect it. You're not going to collect it. You're not going to be saving to some people if you have

[40:53] accounts for a single line. That's, you have stuff in it three years old that you're just, you're not going

[40:58] to collect. And if you did, they great. Right. And the thing is, we're not going to stop trying to collect

[41:04] on them. If we collect the money and set up, looking at against your AR, you're just going to be

[41:09] looking at revenue at that point that you receive it.

[41:12] Okay.

[41:13] And we'll come back to you with the formal resolution for the actual amount.

[41:19] It's not going to be 4.6 million.

[41:21] All right.

[41:22] And the auditors are actually being here this week, so I'll talk to them about what that process

[41:27] needs to look like to.

[41:28] Give me an example of this, because over three years old, we have 856,000, tell me what's

[41:36] in that bucket.

[41:37] Like give me an example of what's three years past yeah, so that's a lot of money. Somebody you've made

[41:45] Person deceased and the family took over the property. I ate a lot

[41:52] You'd do you know

[41:54] a couple months three months before we cut it off and then it just sat there until that house switched over

[42:00] But that money just never got collected. So now it's and we can't collect it from the new owner

[42:07] And I've seen where that happened, where we had so many dies, the family takes several months to sell to somebody, so the new owner doesn't know what he's saying.

[42:16] They bought it, they just come in and open up their account.

[42:20] And like, we couldn't collect it from a new owner.

[42:23] Right.

[42:24] And it happens on commercial businesses too.

[42:27] So you have a commercial business leave.

[42:29] You have new people come in and new tenant.

[42:31] Whatever the business leaves, they don't pay.

[42:32] we can't charge it to the new tenant.

[42:34] We can sometimes try to, if it's a business,

[42:37] if it's a building and you have a different owner

[42:39] sometimes we can try to get the owner,

[42:41] but even then it's hard to collect on that.

[42:43] On core has to deal with all this too.

[42:46] People don't want away from their businesses

[42:47] they're doing the same thing.

[42:48] And you'll see, I mean, I think I don't know

[42:50] for talking about the fees tonight,

[42:52] but one of the things that we're recommending

[42:54] in the fees is to increase your deposit

[42:56] because right now your deposit doesn't even cover one month.

[42:59] If somebody were to leave

[43:00] And we have five other positive, it wouldn't even cover one month of their bill.

[43:04] So.

[43:05] Okay.

[43:06] Does line positive get in more than this also, or?

[43:10] Yes.

[43:10] On the quasi-side data.

[43:12] The courts.

[43:13] Just courts.

[43:14] They add a fee.

[43:15] They add a collection fee.

[43:18] How do we get something back then, then getting nothing right?

[43:22] We're going to try to recruit that fee, or does it?

[43:25] I think that they can pass that fee on.

[43:28] So when night when and that I would have to verify with with my marker, but I'm pretty sure like if there's a collection fee added

[43:35] They can pass that on to the person or collecting from

[43:42] Yeah, yeah

[43:43] Yeah, my thought is if it's we should we should get this down because it's

[43:49] Point better point it out. It's inflated and it's not gonna happen. Well, it makes your books inflated too

[43:54] It looks like you have more assets than you actually have

[43:58] So let's, in the baking world, we call this a charge-off.

[44:02] Right, right, and you might as well deal, you know, deal with early, deal with the

[44:06] quick.

[44:06] But given the size of this, it probably makes sense that it comes before council.

[44:10] And we do it as a body action rather than have the staff run it through five, five

[44:16] bottles.

[44:17] Yeah, I think this initial one, we would have a pretty large right off the mount.

[44:22] And then going forward, we would be doing it annually.

[44:25] So then it shouldn't get to this huge amount we would be doing it as part of the annual audit process.

[44:31] Yeah, because some of us have been on council for a while, we've never done this before.

[44:36] Yeah.

[44:36] Do we do monthly close-outs or re-order stuff off that monthly?

[44:41] Normally, we don't write them off at the end of every month.

[44:44] Normally, that's just on a day at the end of the fiscal year.

[44:47] Yeah.

[44:48] We definitely need to see the numbers.

[44:50] and seeing that it's getting written off because clearly it hasn't been happening and nobody

[44:57] we haven't been able to track it. I think my life counts immediately.

[45:02] No, that was only eight years ago, so we're going to see if you can go back to.

[45:13] You said you should have, you should see a bad debt right off every year, especially in your utility fund.

[45:19] You're always going to have that debt here and in your court.

[45:23] You should be standing there.

[45:25] But we should, we should have enabled staff to make that happen, and we just didn't see it.

[45:29] It's reported. It's already done.

[45:32] All right.

[45:34] Thanks, Ricky.

[45:35] Thanks, Ricky.

[45:36] Thank you.

[45:39] All right.

[45:40] Item 1-AF is discussion of our age 101.

[45:43] A proposed free eight session civic academy for twenty to twenty four residents targeted

[45:50] to begin in October.

[45:52] Jason, if you just have it, that's too.

[45:54] All right.

[45:55] So we brought this up a few months ago as an opportunity to get more citizen engagement.

[46:01] And we are looking to kick off a pilot program in October where we would meet on Thursday evenings just kind of looking at different apartment calendars that seem to be the best evening.

[46:14] Go from 6 o'clock to 8 o'clock we probably have a dinner available for the participants.

[46:22] And we get to get to know all the departments in the government and how things work.

[46:27] It's really just meant to be a civic one moment.

[46:32] So the first meeting would really kick off with like how is our city set up as a government.

[46:38] We're at Councilmember Campbell.

[46:44] She is, she's a alumni.

[46:47] She's the president of the police association alumni.

[46:51] And she took it upon herself to go ahead and put a first program

[46:54] presentation together. So I've got it here just as an example of course we'll talk

[47:00] through a staff updating this and then having came down some things but just to give

[47:05] you an example of what we're talking about, you know this would be coming in to this chamber

[47:13] likely and then explaining how the different structure the government works, which

[47:20] Rich some hills in terms of size and scale,

[47:26] how the council manager formed what government works,

[47:31] talking through

[47:36] what city councils do,

[47:38] probably have them decide what an agenda may look like,

[47:43] you know, from the council perspective,

[47:45] and give them some just real experience on what goes on.

[47:49] I think there's a lot of misconception and a lot of times,

[47:51] especially with all the politics that are on the news,

[47:54] outside of local government,

[47:55] we're talking about state, county, and federal level.

[47:59] What actually happens at the city, it's a lot more transparent than people get.

[48:06] And so I think that's really what the goal is.

[48:09] And then the next week, it would go into public works, and they would do a session on

[48:15] here's how we operate public works, you know, these are the type of work orders we get every day.

[48:20] Then we go into parks and recreation and library, animal services,

[48:28] come back at the end

[48:29] with the graduation and they would actually come to a council meeting and

[48:36] then that's kind

[48:37] of your cool.

[48:54] For the types of financial funds and why would you guess?

[48:59] Oh yeah.

[49:00] I thought you'd find it as something.

[49:03] Second session, I think, is actually what we have pointed.

[49:06] I think that would be pretty interesting.

[49:11] I think that's kind of one of our biggest misunderstandings is, you know, we're, we've

[49:16] these potholes, but wherever you're building, you know, but the funding and stuff is different.

[49:22] I'm kind of what happens in executive session.

[49:24] Okay.

[49:25] Here you go.

[49:26] Oh, boy.

[49:26] It's like...

[49:27] That's you.

[49:28] You can't tell that.

[49:29] The code enforcement process.

[49:31] Yeah, yeah.

[49:32] I reported this and nothing is happening.

[49:34] Well, the things that go on behind the scenes, and it looks like nothing's happening,

[49:39] but things really are.

[49:40] Yes.

[49:41] Well, in the finance part, I want to talk about having our capital and talking about.

[49:45] the water bills, and you know how your water bill is, it's not inside of it, yeah, yeah.

[49:53] Your property tax does go under water bill, your water bill has to pay for the water infrastructure.

[49:59] That kind of stuff.

[50:02] Anyway, thanks a great idea.

[50:03] I think everybody here's in by and in.

[50:06] And we've got, there's an agenda from, we've got a agenda from Northwestern Hills, Bedford,

[50:12] got one from Michigan, I turned in.

[50:14] Yeah.

[50:14] So yeah, this I think is this over there. It's going to be great great great great place

[50:18] I think we have a pretty good how do we start off with a whole group that would

[50:23] Show a lot of interest to begin with so one of my

[50:27] Suggestions is that it you know council actually is kind of who's our main recruiters

[50:32] Yeah, and here's who I would suggest you talk you target our people maybe on social media or residents that

[50:39] are not happy with the city, or they're not happy with what they're saying, or they have a lot of questions about that.

[50:45] That way we can help address those, and if we will see actual concerns that we need to address, and how to learn as well.

[50:54] Are you all going to create some kind of a little effort type social media post that we can share?

[51:00] We'll get something together within the next week.

[51:03] I'll work with Shina and then calendar and then we'll invite Council, so we'll probably post a possible forum for each one of these.

[51:13] That way, if you guys want to catch up on, okay, I was going to ask about Quorum.

[51:16] You would have to coordinate if you didn't have that posted.

[51:20] I think they may even have questions.

[51:27] This one is a tricky one from a Quorum perspective, because while we're not talking about city business, it's all about city business.

[51:34] Well, if he doesn't notice the public.

[51:37] We don't have a problem at all.

[51:38] Yeah.

[51:39] That's how it makes it easy.

[51:42] It's great too because staff can learn what the citizens needs are, too.

[51:47] Instead of just what's going on on social media,

[51:50] just you hear straight from them with their thoughts or something.

[51:53] A lot of things.

[51:57] Thank you, Jason.

[52:00] All right.

[52:00] Item 1G is the discussion of water and sewer rate.

[52:04] Adjustments for fiscal year,

[52:05] in the city's long term utility forecast staff will also present the cost of maintaining and replacing water or city infrastructure followed by a demonstration of how water worth can test

[52:21] project, reserve, debt, rate, and customer bills and those who present these, let me

[52:29] have Shina.

[52:30] The Zoom still, it's not going to work, right? Okay. So, water worth is not able to join us tonight. Just technical difficulties, but we will bring them back on October 12th. And actually it'll be better because they'll show you a lot more detail. Tonight was just going to be an example of the platform that we're using. And it's it's to later in capital projects. Operational revenues, operational expenditures, debt service. And with all that, that can tell us where our cash is.

[53:05] So without them presenting, we can still move forward and represent the information to what we're proposing.

[53:13] As a reminder, if we go back as if you remember, we did a proven ordinance.

[53:19] I believe it was January

[53:23] based on the will band engineering study that was done in 2024.

[53:28] So they did a study, they said, okay, give us all your capital projects, tell us what

[53:33] we're, we're water, wastewater, TRA wastewater, what those costs are, what's it cost

[53:39] you and chemicals to operate your own wells, all the things that it takes to run, water

[53:44] and sewer enterprise system, and they put a model together, and most cities contract with

[53:51] engineering firms to do this, and so they gave us a five-year plan and said, based on this

[53:56] data, we suggest your rates need to be this in fiscal year 24, 25, 26 all the way out.

[54:05] And what happened is in January 26, those rates that were going to be adopted, there was

[54:15] an issue, there was issues with the ordinance, the way that it was written, there was written

[54:19] gallons instead of 1,000 gallons. And so we have not implemented that change. So I told

[54:29] you that in March or so that we are going to hold off on this and bring this back to you

[54:34] towards the end of the fiscal year. Because what has happened is we have an issue to that.

[54:39] That was originally programmed in that model. So we had 453,000 that was supposed to be annual

[54:49] the expenditure going out the door for debt payments, for projects that they expected for

[54:56] water and sewer projects, about 5.8 million to go out the door, and those projects

[55:02] never got issued.

[55:05] So we're actually with our CIP projects now going forward, we will be looking to issue revenue

[55:11] bonds for water sewer as part of this Calway or Spruce Park.

[55:15] So it's actually within the limits of this previous number, but we haven't issued that $450,000 annual debt payment.

[55:24] So that's, so because of that, we work hurting by not moving the rates at that point in time.

[55:32] And then the Wildian study said, okay, in fiscal year 27, you need to update your rates to this level.

[55:38] What we're proposing to you tonight is that it's actually a little bit less than what Wilden had showed

[55:44] with a presented to you before.

[55:46] So I'll walk you through with that looks like.

[55:49] We did see a 10.68% increase in Fort Worth Water from a wholesale perspective.

[55:56] So Fort Worth sells many cities in the Metroplex water at a wholesale price.

[56:01] It's different than a retail price based on the volume of water that we buy.

[56:05] And we have set limits, if we go over what we have set as a limit, there's a search

[56:12] charge and that can be pretty expensive.

[56:15] So Kelly is constantly monitoring where we're at from a demand and supply.

[56:20] We do have our own two wells that we can supplement about 30 to 35 percent, three, I think.

[56:29] I thank you, but we can supplement that water as we need to, and then the cost of sewer

[56:39] going out of the city, we send it out into systems, Fort Worth and TRA, and we actually

[56:46] go through the city of Hearst, and we pay Hearst for the TRA line that goes out to the

[56:59] And this is mainly because they have capital replacement projects all over, and so if our system is going through those pipes, those are things that have to get upgraded, also the demand for collecting the sewer, so all those costs go into this.

[57:18] On the TRA side we're looking at about a three and a half percent increase on that wholesale charge going up.

[57:25] So we look at these as past three rates, so we're talking about it, so it's not a, you're

[57:30] not going to see an 18% increase on your sewer bill.

[57:34] So for a resident, you're not going to see those numbers, it's calculated different.

[57:39] So that's what I want to show you tonight on how we came up with

[57:46] that.

[57:46] So just to start, when we brought you the budget for the fiscal year 27, the expected revenue

[57:52] was based off of these rates and so this is 5.896 million in revenues for both water and

[57:59] sewer. Our spending which accounts for all of our wholesale purchases as well as our

[58:07] operations in water and sewer utility was about 6 million so we're actually covering 145,000 out of

[58:18] balance, which is over one and a half, one point, actually one point nine million over your reserve.

[58:27] So if you have a 90-day reserve that you need to ensure we've got capacity.

[58:33] And what that can be used for is, you know, paying for CIP projects without having to issue debt.

[58:38] So that's kind of part of our plan going forward.

[58:40] Is to use some of that cash.

[58:42] We also have debt coverage ratios that we have to consider beyond just the 90 days.

[58:47] So, it's not necessarily just keep one and a half million in the bank and spend everything else.

[58:54] So, we're going to kind of calculate it how we do that.

[59:01] But when we look at the projects that will work prior to more significant utility spending on your CIP plan right now,

[59:09] it's the booth, Calaway, and the Spruce Park projects.

[59:12] So, there's about $4 million in water sewer funds that would need to be bonded to get those proceeds in.

[59:23] And that equates to about a $325,000 annual payment on a 20 year.

[59:29] I use the 5% interest, which I think we're closer to 4.5.

[59:35] But just based on the market right now, those interest rates may change.

[59:39] So, 325,000 is more conservative, and so by doing that, the rates that we're proposing will actually put us in a good spot to carry that future.

[59:52] Jason, that's that 4 million.

[59:55] After we burn off that, the excess.

[1:00:00] That's actually keeping the excess. That's keeping it worth it. That's right. So, okay.

[1:00:09] So, the reason we were at this point, we were going to bring water worth in and show you kind of how we're able to look at all this in real time.

[1:00:19] So, we can go back to will be in. I have, we've seen everything through will be in. So, they'll actually still help us validate our final ordinance that goes before you over the next 30 days.

[1:00:32] But what water worth can do is not only for water and sewer but for streets and drainage,

[1:00:38] Kelly has the ability to go in and say, okay, I've got a project coming up that we need to address.

[1:00:44] Let's put those numbers in.

[1:00:46] He sees chemical costs real time that are maybe more expensive.

[1:00:50] You'll cost obviously you're going up right now through the roof.

[1:00:54] So we can plug those numbers in and that shows us where our cash position is.

[1:00:58] So it layers, your revenues, your capital expenditures and your cash position, all three in one graph.

[1:01:08] And so as you change the numbers and the spreadsheet, it populates the graph.

[1:01:11] So right now, with our current rates, if you don't change your utility rates, you will run out of money and utility fund by 2029.

[1:01:21] That's hitting a, you're reserved, I mean not running out of complete money, 2031, you hit zero.

[1:01:28] So that's if you don't change your rates to a comedy.

[1:01:32] Just the current inflation that's increasing.

[1:01:35] That's assuming nobody else gives us a bigger than a 3% increase for work than DRA.

[1:01:43] So, it's a very, very helpful tool for us to be able to play an out-see IP projects.

[1:01:49] So, before we even score on, we can actually see what the impact of the on our operations.

[1:01:56] For both just as a placement of it, the reduction in maintenance cost.

[1:02:02] Well, that would just be safe.

[1:02:03] But also it gives us that ability to look years and advance up

[1:02:08] to 10 years.

[1:02:13] Like I said, it's real time, it's active, we can go and manipulate the numbers.

[1:02:18] Yeah.

[1:02:19] I'm just going to help myself.

[1:02:20] I'm just going to hang out up there for a second.

[1:02:24] All right.

[1:02:25] So, what we'll talk about in a second on the fee, the proposed fee.

[1:02:29] Well, I've got a red line fee schedule.

[1:02:33] And it'll show you what the current rates are and what the proposed rates are.

[1:02:40] So, this is the utility bill example just for a residential three-quarter-inch meter.

[1:02:44] So, they're using 8,000 gallons of water, and they're winter average is 5,000 gallons.

[1:02:52] Just for everybody's benefit, the way we measure your sewer, is how much water you're using in December, January, February.

[1:03:01] And if you're brand new, you move into the city in July.

[1:03:04] We just look at your average and we cap that at 8,000 gallons.

[1:03:09] But we'll wait until you get your 12 months to average that out.

[1:03:12] But essentially, you have 5,000 gallons in this scenario, and so today that person would pay

[1:03:20] $130 a month in their water bill, their utility bill.

[1:03:26] The water portion is $59,433 drainage is $8,000 in garbage recycling plus sales tax.

[1:03:36] If you proposed this change, you would go up about $6.95 based on those rates.

[1:03:44] That's slightly less than what we'll be in had proposed earlier.

[1:03:54] So, let's bring down that piece.

[1:03:57] What is it?

[1:03:58] So, there is a, I've got a, a lot at the bottom.

[1:04:02] See the bottom under it says watermouth.

[1:04:06] So, you have $27.21.

[1:04:08] And that is covering our tooth cost of service, what that cost is.

[1:04:16] And then the volumetric charge comes next.

[1:04:20] So that first 2000 gallons, based on the rates would be $6.68.

[1:04:27] It's actually $1.78 per thousand gallons.

[1:04:33] So you have, you multiply those numbers.

[1:04:35] I've got an actual chart in the ordinance draft that will show you in a minute that actually

[1:04:41] has that breakdown.

[1:04:44] But if you go back to what Wildin and Penn showed you, they break that down by chemical

[1:04:49] cost, fuel cost, everything that foreworth charges us, then you have your separate pass

[1:04:55] through rate.

[1:04:56] That was a fixed number.

[1:05:01] So, just a week later, the base rate is Kelly's time and team for the base mate and that's

[1:05:07] we expect to do along with all the chemical tools and all the things that we need to operate

[1:05:12] our water system.

[1:05:14] And fuel the vehicles?

[1:05:16] Everything.

[1:05:18] Something.

[1:05:19] It would not include major line replacements.

[1:05:23] Because those are CIP.

[1:05:25] But the expected weeks are covered.

[1:05:29] And will there is that service that is accounted for in these numbers?

[1:05:33] Okay.

[1:05:34] So you have existing debt that's out there on the books.

[1:05:36] needs to be in that base. That has to be in that base. Okay, okay, so that that's why the city hasn't just continually

[1:05:42] issued the debt because

[1:05:45] we've been jumped 20% in your waterway, you know, or sewer based on those debt. Like if we had another

[1:05:50] 450,000 before other debt fell off, that's what we're trying to balance. And I think that's where

[1:05:57] the water work will be able to help us.

[1:06:10] Water work is just basically a water and sewer modeling tool, yes.

[1:06:17] We're full of all of us are working with them.

[1:06:20] You see how it goes for streets and other things or streets, which we'll start implementing for street and drainage projects.

[1:06:30] But he'll actually be able to show you, like if you said,

[1:06:34] what if we did instead of this is really comes after about a 7% increase.

[1:06:47] If you said, well, what if we

[1:06:55] did a higher out of money in 2028?

[1:06:59] use those numbers to show you real time of what those rates would be. So is this what you're going to

[1:07:08] present to us as the water rate increase then? Yes, I'll show you. So this was a based on that example,

[1:07:13] but when we get into the actual B schedule, I've got it, I've got it all broken down. Okay,

[1:07:18] are the ordinance the way it's written. So we kind of need to be clear before we adopt this,

[1:07:23] sure that you do all of the great things.

[1:07:27] So, I hope you have more.

[1:07:28] That's one question, so we'll do.

[1:07:30] Okay? So that kind of just goes into this part of the presentation, which is included because it's just really part of the, what are we, what are we paying for in terms of what is a resident, aye, for a business owner in the rich and hills where they paying for every.

[1:07:52] And the typical households of this takes the average house value, which is on the term, a praise of districts values, 240,000.

[1:08:01] and it says, what do you pay in city property tax, water, sewer, drainage, feed, garbage,

[1:08:08] so those are like, that's what they can physically see that they're paying every year.

[1:08:15] The $336 million number is based off of how much assets we have in the ground and how expensive

[1:08:21] they would be to go replace them all today. So if you wanted to rebuild all the roads, the water

[1:08:26] the sewer line and the drainage. That's a range, but at 336 to 456 million, you know,

[1:08:34] if you were to go do it today. So when you look at that on a useful life, so a street may be 40

[1:08:41] years, a water line could be 50 sewer depending on if it's PVC, maybe 60 years, drainage depending

[1:08:49] if it's an open channel, it's concrete line, or RCP.

[1:08:54] We have like a life schedule for those,

[1:08:57] but we're projecting about six and a half million

[1:08:59] to keep up with the remote.

[1:09:03] The developer comes in in the 1950s and builds a neighborhood.

[1:09:09] We got what's called donated assets dedicated to the city.

[1:09:12] So they platted this neighborhood and said,

[1:09:15] we're going to build the roads as part of this project

[1:09:18] or part of this development.

[1:09:19] But we're going to dedicate it to the city to own and maintain and

[1:09:25] probably didn't get

[1:09:26] any fees collected at the time to help offset the cost of the exam at road.

[1:09:31] And so that's where the property tax and things like that come in.

[1:09:34] But a lot of cities weren't looking at 40 years from now.

[1:09:37] They were just looking at what I need today and that's how we're balancing what our tax rate

[1:09:44] and what our lot of water utility rates are.

[1:09:46] So, in our fiscal year 27 CIP-5 year plan, we have about $2.7 million dollar gap based

[1:09:55] on what this is showing, what we're proposing for fiscal year 27.

[1:10:00] So, we're not saying we're adding this or recommending that you add this to anything

[1:10:05] right now.

[1:10:06] We're just showing you the number and translating that to what a household person would

[1:10:13] have to pay.

[1:10:13] So we'd have to add an additional $521 per year to a resident's bill.

[1:10:20] So remember, they were paying $2,900 right now.

[1:10:23] We'd have to add $521 to cover that annual replacement cost of all the infrastructure.

[1:10:34] This is what it was.

[1:10:36] This is the current bill, you know, broken down based off of what's are paying in property taxes,

[1:10:41] water, sewer, drainage, garbage fees, annually.

[1:10:46] This is where we are with just that bill compared to 19 cities in turn county.

[1:10:53] So these are kind of who we look to what we're doing analysis of other cities.

[1:11:01] Haltum city is that median number, which is kind of right the middle of the graph.

[1:11:09] Our costs, you know, it's not necessarily our smaller city.

[1:11:12] We have a smaller tax base, so the tax rate proportionally is what it is.

[1:11:19] And we don't have a homestead, a lot of the cities that are below the health of city have homestead

[1:11:24] exemptions.

[1:11:25] We've got a spreadsheet that has a lot of this broken in and you can see where all the homestead

[1:11:32] exemptions come out.

[1:11:36] Obviously what all these things pay for, there's four buckets, those are your city services,

[1:11:42] your wholesale providers, your debt payments, and your capital replacement. Not to mention,

[1:11:51] there's really a fifth bucket, and that's what this, that difference is, the 5.21.

[1:12:00] So right now people are paying for the first floor, but we're not really, we're not funding the 5.

[1:12:09] So, this is based off of our annual financial report, just the inventory of infrastructure that we have, just so people can understand.

[1:12:16] We've got 44, generally in my

[1:12:21] opinion, a lot of drainage, water sewer.

[1:12:24] These numbers obviously need refinement.

[1:12:27] I mentioned it in email to the council that we needed to validate these with our GIS software with half of us.

[1:12:35] It just gives us the actual numbers.

[1:12:37] Not only that, but the asset class types, like, is it an 8-inch PVC, is it a 6-inch cast iron, like, what is the material, that would change kind of a life cycle of that material of that segment.

[1:12:52] So this was just a kind of show, just big picture. It's not an engineering assessment, so I just want to be real clear about this.

[1:13:00] No, but this is a very insightful, very...

[1:13:07] This is great.

[1:13:11] I came up with 44.4 and we're missing a few segments. So you're slightly I'm thinking you're a little bit concerned

[1:13:22] This was just a show kind of how that cost breakdown came out. Like I used start a most recent engineer estimate for a Cecil and how to come up with a prize

[1:13:32] And we know that and that was low

[1:13:34] When we get this next week, I can go further detail, but that was really just the point

[1:13:46] was to highlight that from an annual replacement, we're still not really capturing that.

[1:13:52] And so to keep utility rates flat and not changing at all, you're not only hurting your

[1:14:00] current buckets, but

[1:14:20] basically we really need to figure out.

[1:14:23] to keep ourselves afloat, to set ourselves on a porch that's maintainable.

[1:14:28] We sort of have to come up with it. We have to add that 5.21 in and

[1:14:31] basically get to about 3,500 for that typical house.

[1:14:35] Well, little under. You could, so that was the reason I'm showing you this

[1:14:39] was to say that. But if you really wanted to fill the gap,

[1:14:46] there's another way in that if I can get to that slide.

[1:14:50] Here we go.

[1:15:04] We have economic development as the next opportunity. So, by offering economic development and getting community support to potentially do a bond in the future from an economic development perspective instead of just an infrastructure, you have the ability to bring in sales tax.

[1:15:24] And the goal would be to bring in enough that 2.7 million, which is the current gap in sales tax and say, as a council, you say,

[1:15:34] okay, that portion needs to go for CIP.

[1:15:37] Like what's dedicated, just 2.7 million.

[1:15:41] So whatever you do, you dedicate it towards,

[1:15:48] and that's not putting that burden on the residents.

[1:15:59] Yeah, and this is how you can't necessarily budget this, right?

[1:16:08] The other side of that though is, well that's guaranteed, it's also guaranteed,

[1:16:12] someone go up, and this is guaranteed to grow, I mean, it's sort of like playing a

[1:16:18] market.

[1:16:19] I mean, if I, as long as I'm hitting three out of five, I've come out of hand.

[1:16:23] If I hit five out of five out of five out of five out of five out of five, I'm saying

[1:16:25] I gotta be careful.

[1:16:32] So, this is just kind of a foreshadowing of other discussions to have as we go.

[1:16:38] but I just I didn't want to make it a doom and gloom it's like this was just it's actually

[1:16:44] we're in pretty good shape compared to other cities around us like really are. We look at

[1:16:49] other cities that are their number might be 25 to 40 million dollars in that they're just not

[1:16:56] budgeting because they've got okay they've kept the race super low and now they need and we

[1:17:03] this also doesn't account for all the federal grants and stuff that's been

[1:17:07] come true. We still got a pair of 20, 30% of those or 50% of those, whatever

[1:17:13] that is. That's what's helping us in 20, 70s, the Terncati Bones.

[1:17:21] Yeah, that excellent job. Well done there.

[1:17:30] So how much of us, how much of us slower is going to, the TR, AR, the TR, the estimate is about third.

[1:17:39] We got a total of three out of four lines, TR is like a smaller amount, not necessarily, they're all pretty similar.

[1:17:50] So it's four more than TR, and we'll do it one more time.

[1:17:54] Two more words one TR.

[1:17:55] Oh, two more.

[1:17:57] So, two thirds of our waste goes to Fort Worth directly,

[1:18:01] and the third goes to TRA.

[1:18:03] Yeah, because one is an 18% and one is a 3%

[1:18:09] because they'll, wow, they can change.

[1:18:12] We have been working with different products

[1:18:14] to lower our BOD and TSS, which is numbers

[1:18:18] a measure in wastewater and that depicts on the price.

[1:18:22] We have already seen significant drops in our BOD

[1:18:25] just from the last three months.

[1:18:29] more pre-treating is we're trying every angle here so he's sampling it before

[1:18:35] TRA does that way we understand kind of where we're at with those on high

[1:18:41] OD numbers make it address things before it happens because you get

[1:18:46] in voice on this to be significant so also you know when you drive around town

[1:18:54] you look at all the brown yards now you know there's a few green ones out there

[1:18:58] We're partially green, you know, it's just, but some of the people can't afford water very much also.

[1:19:06] So do we have anything in place that maybe keeps those rates a little lower for the minimum, minimal type users, so they just don't pay quite as much outside of it.

[1:19:15] Because they're not going to start watering, if we know where the rates are, they're not.

[1:19:20] I mean, it's what it is, that's what we have.

[1:19:23] Yeah.

[1:19:24] Well, I mean, we are actually required from a conservation perspective to put in place measures

[1:19:31] that mimic four words because we buy water from them.

[1:19:36] Okay.

[1:19:36] We're required and you have ordinances that are already in place to say you can only water two

[1:19:40] days a week from

[1:19:43] 6 p.m.

[1:19:44] to 10 a.m.

[1:19:45] Two zones.

[1:19:47] Yeah, you got two days yourself and then city public spaces have two days a week of water.

[1:19:54] From an enforcement standpoint, I'll just say that I don't think that's something that our

[1:19:58] enforcement has been active on in terms of addressing.

[1:20:02] We have the ability to see when people are using more water though, through our partners.

[1:20:09] So there's things that Council can put in place to make sure that we're protecting that

[1:20:14] conservation, because we could end up getting potentially fine from Fort Worth if we're

[1:20:19] in violation.

[1:20:19] Yeah, who was made it, we had to send it to the court in a monthly...

[1:20:26] Yeah, I've got a friend, he had a water bill that was well over a thousand dollars

[1:20:32] and he watered off hours, he got three, eight hundred dollar funds for the off hours.

[1:20:39] Because they can see with iron water.

[1:20:41] So I know for worth could do that to this city.

[1:20:47] I've said somewhat jumping ahead, but talking about water rates.

[1:20:51] I really think that we need to add a higher tier rate.

[1:20:55] I think we currently go about 30,000, and it's like we were told we were going to jump

[1:20:59] that up to promote conservation.

[1:21:03] I think we need to find a tier above that to promote solid conservation, if somebody said

[1:21:11] to bring like a data center in here, or a golf course, so that they're paying for the amount

[1:21:16] of water they use that are rate that is commensurate with the really heavy users.

[1:21:20] That we don't rely on primarily their violators were coming from the commercial side it was I could hear you

[1:21:28] Kelly would you for worth that's where there was in most of their violations was from the commercial side it was so much the residents

[1:21:39] You all have anything else

[1:21:41] So you're going to bring us back with water for you

[1:21:44] Yeah, I've got another on the fee schedule. I should show you the breakdown of those rates

[1:21:49] That's a good line, that way you can see them.

[1:21:51] So I have to turn off October 12th as you would last one or two.

[1:21:57] All right.

[1:21:59] Thanks, Kelly.

[1:22:00] Thank you.

[1:22:02] All right.

[1:22:02] Item 1H is the discussion of the draft fee schedule amendments.

[1:22:06] Presentation shows selected current and proposed amounts, including permit.

[1:22:12] Compliance, fire, animal, recreation, and utility impact fees.

[1:22:17] Jason, if you'll please turn it up.

[1:22:18] So I'm just going to go straight and show you the current and the proposed.

[1:22:24] So these are anything that's got a few that's been proposed.

[1:22:30] To be changed, so we're just basically showing you the red lines. Right now, you know, if it stopped me, if you want me to specifically talk about any one of these, but what staff is looking to do is how much time are we spending, or are we sending things when we get a commercial fence permit, sometimes bureau of air toss is involved, because it's not just a separate, then I guess submitting a fence. There's other things involved. We're just trying to make sure we're covering the cost for what it takes to review those.

[1:23:01] residential roofs. We used to require that you came in and pay 50 dollars. We're

[1:23:07] recommended that we don't have a fee for that. Just encourage people. They

[1:23:11] want to replace the roof, a higher reputable contractor. That's bonded and

[1:23:16] insured. We don't do inspections. So there's not really a technical inspection.

[1:23:21] That beer of air toss doesn't move anyway. So why are we charging it for

[1:23:24] it? It was really to count how many layers they were going to pull on there.

[1:23:28] You're always supposed to be writing layers of shingles.

[1:23:32] So that's being proposed.

[1:23:36] Siding replacement.

[1:23:37] We see a lot of those come in.

[1:23:39] And sometimes, you know, putting vinyl versus cementitious fiberboard.

[1:23:45] That can change some of the structural integrity of the building.

[1:23:50] Temporary COs.

[1:23:51] We get a lot of questions about temporary COs for the business side where they want to come in.

[1:23:55] do some work or put equipment in before they get a final C.O.

[1:24:01] That makes chief brimley and others have to go in and do kind of two inspections and set out as we were in.

[1:24:09] It's a pain.

[1:24:12] I've been living here one of my business.

[1:24:14] Don't have that stuff.

[1:24:16] So when someone comes in to apply for a short term rental,

[1:24:21] Now we've got a third party, we've also got more time enforcement that monitors those annually for inspections.

[1:24:31] But that's not ones that are here.

[1:24:32] Yeah, this would be as if there's so many coming in that's going to initiate that.

[1:24:37] So this is an initial, so what happens to yearly?

[1:24:41] Is it the same fee?

[1:24:42] No, it's different fee.

[1:24:43] So that's not changed.

[1:24:44] This is the first time coming in, right?

[1:24:49] The high grass and weeds, so this is just to kind of cover a cost for abatement.

[1:24:54] They cost us $200 or so, since somebody ought to get a moey yard.

[1:24:58] And we're usually not getting that fee to cover them with that cost as nowadays.

[1:25:06] And so, some of the code enforcement fees, that's why it's just covering that cost.

[1:25:13] So, we hadn't charged for a viral arm system installation fee, we were having more and more

[1:25:21] people do those type of projects.

[1:25:24] So, you see a $70 fee there.

[1:25:28] And then we get into the parkside.

[1:25:30] Eric, I may ask you where Andrew to come up if you have any questions, but they're proposing

[1:25:35] some different structures.

[1:25:36] I think just based off of supply and demand and what they're seeing over the years and experience

[1:25:41] with some of the different rentals to make it more accessible for, you know, people

[1:25:46] to throw a birthday party out of a billion of heart.

[1:25:52] This is a big one, and I think this is one I wanted to make sure that the residents

[1:25:56] were aware of that it's not anything to do with any of our residents or businesses

[1:26:01] that are after today.

[1:26:03] What happens on the impact fees is if a new development, like Richland Crossing or

[1:26:08] acres landing, something like that were to come in and one of the new subdivision or a new home

[1:26:14] on a vacant piece of land.

[1:26:17] The city of Fort Worth charges in practice because you're impacting the regional system.

[1:26:23] Their fees get sent to us so when we buy a meter and have to add it to the account, Fort Worth

[1:26:30] charges us $2900.

[1:26:33] right now we can't cover the cost of that.

[1:26:37] So we're basically subsidizing the difference.

[1:26:40] So you can see that it's based off the size of the water meter.

[1:26:44] When you get into, excuse me, two inches in larger.

[1:26:49] I mean, the feed schedule goes up to 10 inches.

[1:26:53] We're talking about $500,000.

[1:26:55] Yes.

[1:26:56] We

[1:27:04] get into this in my voice, sorry.

[1:27:11] So Jason, the other one was water and wastewater.

[1:27:16] So each one is going to be charged with that amount,

[1:27:20] or where we're talking, like say a three quarter inch beta.

[1:27:25] It's just a wire, it's just one.

[1:27:28] So they're okay, okay, so water is one there.

[1:27:30] Yeah, okay.

[1:27:34] Yeah, you would not be paying 28,000 for a one-inch water meter

[1:27:38] Do we just be the 14 that covers your water and waste water?

[1:27:42] Okay,

[1:27:46] it's a two-inch meter is 46,000 dollars

[1:27:50] Now that you'll typically see that on a luck in apartment complex or

[1:27:54] Yeah, I don't home. Yeah, it's a series of four and then what they do is if they don't want to do it that way

[1:28:01] Well a lot of times they will no sub-meter

[1:28:04] Yeah, and then

[1:28:05] you end up with smaller individual meters going to those units, but that's actually pretty

[1:28:11] typical.

[1:28:13] Yeah, it's just gone up over the years I hadn't seen rates like this in a while, so based

[1:28:17] on this we haven't touched it, even been close, okay good.

[1:28:22] Well while they store a covering, we could have something on Baker, sooner or later, that this

[1:28:30] definitely applied to so just of any residents watching this go on. We're not going to

[1:28:36] get any to be other developments. Well, there's something that could be coming. It hasn't,

[1:28:41] so I don't want to say it is, but it couldn't be coming over there, I'll make her.

[1:28:45] But now, wouldn't Baker be a six inch line so that you could also feed a fire in the back side.

[1:28:51] And then you wouldn't have that same impact for you. Would you? Well, it's curious, I don't know.

[1:28:57] Yeah, if you're doing it like a loop through the front of a parking complex, we're going to go in.

[1:29:04] Yeah, they still have a separate meter that it could be a 4 inch, like they would likely do.

[1:29:10] If it's a 300 units or something, they're going to do a 4 inch meter and then they'll sum meter beyond that.

[1:29:16] Okay, and that's all private. We don't touch the sum meters.

[1:29:20] Sometimes, some cases, they may do 3 2 inch because it's cheaper than 6 inch meter.

[1:29:26] But it doesn't necessarily have to do with the fire loop.

[1:29:29] That's just an redundant line that would go into keep the pressure if you needed.

[1:29:33] The fire is a question.

[1:29:36] This is the tap off to the... To the...

[1:29:39] To the... To the... To the...

[1:29:40] The fire...

[1:29:42] Okay.

[1:29:47] And that's, by the way, this is something that, from an economic development standpoint,

[1:29:52] we can't wave in pathways.

[1:29:54] But legally, now you can through a neighborhood empowerment zone.

[1:29:57] So there's the first thing you could do to it.

[1:30:02] If you look at the number and think, oh, that's going to deter folks. There's ways that we can still offset other costs. It's not going to deter them.

[1:30:14] I'm not saying that should be part of their whole year's part of it.

[1:30:19] Yeah.

[1:30:22] Okay, here's the residential water rates. So the red line, so you can see the current

[1:30:29] 3-quarter inch base charge. So this is the top line. We'll go up to 27.

[1:30:37] There's a flat charge for the first 2,000 gallons that's going up six cents.

[1:30:45] These basically stay the same, but the past three rate has gone up.

[1:30:50] That was based off of wild ends analysis.

[1:30:58] On the sewer side, it actually goes down on the monthly base charge.

[1:31:04] But the way the volumetric rates, it ends up coming out, if you're over 2,000 gallons, it comes

[1:31:11] up a little bit higher from $3 up to $3.77.

[1:31:16] The way that it's in the ordinance today reads per gallon, and it's per thousands.

[1:31:24] So like this is showing what it's intended to be.

[1:31:28] Yeah, what else I had, how would it actually come up?

[1:31:33] So you also have the commercial charges, and you see that,

[1:31:37] it's somewhat goes down on the sewer side.

[1:31:45] First of all, water rates, it goes up,

[1:31:52] it goes up.

[1:31:53] That's not pretty small.

[1:31:54] But these are really tiny, incredible.

[1:31:56] Yeah, that's why I wanted to show you earlier

[1:31:58] that kind of a monthly bill comparison,

[1:32:01] because depending on where

[1:32:02] what threshold you're in and that's going to change, you know, what your consumption is

[1:32:07] for that amount based on two or a year you're using very much water, it's pretty good.

[1:32:12] But based on the percentages that we were hearing from what we're getting past rights, these are...

[1:32:17] Yeah, that's not...

[1:32:19] This is a whole lot less impactful than what I'm thinking of.

[1:32:22] I mean, I think it's about a 6% or a 60%.

[1:32:24] Yeah, you have to say something.

[1:32:26] Yeah.

[1:32:27] Yeah.

[1:32:28] And that's because we didn't do one before, like if we had done a 3% last year, or in January,

[1:32:36] you'd only be looking at about 3% now. So that's one of the reasons.

[1:32:43] These are some things Vicki mentioned earlier in terms of utility account deposits,

[1:32:48] where we haven't had deposits for the ones that say not listed, but then just increasing

[1:32:56] Reactivation fees, loader deposits, this is going up kind of you can also come in to set up a residential account.

[1:33:04] You pay $75 to set that up.

[1:33:08] If it's a tenant, sometimes we have a hard time collecting.

[1:33:12] If it's a tenant, maybe it's just like a motor apartment deposit.

[1:33:17] These are a little bit unique in the fact that if they are individually metered, we recall apartments.

[1:33:23] anything for units or more, or actually two in

[1:33:28] the big six, and it's worth two or more units

[1:33:32] are on a property, so don't think of it as like a live in the Calaway, right, apartments, some

[1:33:41] of the other housing types that we had in town following that.

[1:33:51] If the state goes through with the ADU code, if we get the ADUs, they would fit it to the system.

[1:33:58] The irrigation only account the positive,

[1:34:04] and then commercial deposits like a based on the meter size.

[1:34:11] And this is where I think we're talking about data centers and figuring out

[1:34:19] the positive.

[1:34:20] What actually be pretty significant based off what the projections are.

[1:34:26] And does this address the utility meter, you know, we got somebody out there doing the roadwork and they look a meter up to the fire hydrant?

[1:34:35] Yes. Okay. We have that in the right here. Okay.

[1:34:42] So fire hydrant deposit right now. We don't charge for that. Really?

[1:34:51] Okay, and Vicki's actually the one that brought this up, I said, you know, I can't believe y'all, y'all, I've been trying to change it.

[1:34:58] And if they don't read it, you know, we're charging them when they bring the meter in and they show us what

[1:35:04] if I call you the water, but if there's no food.

[1:35:18] Yeah, no read, they could use a thousand dollars worth of water too.

[1:35:22] Yeah. So, but if it does get red, then they're going to have to pay the full amount anyway.

[1:35:29] We just got a bad luck on the market.

[1:35:31] Absolutely.

[1:35:32] And something has to happen.

[1:35:37] Okay.

[1:35:37] So that was, that you're all the changes there.

[1:35:40] So you want me to go back to your talk.

[1:35:46] I would have, how is it that we don't have on a cross the board?

[1:35:51] One or two percent raise on all of our rates.

[1:35:54] Because you know, inflation's up 4.6%

[1:35:57] Some of our stuff is up 80%.

[1:36:01] I would have, we weren't, we haven't been.

[1:36:04] over charge I don't think so to break even I would expect we need an inflation increase across the

[1:36:09] board for our contracts or what would be our very toss and half as I see it's been flat

[1:36:16] and those are just passed through costs so they're you're not seeing what building and building

[1:36:20] permits and playing review costs so we're also seeing the case load good down and so that's why

[1:36:28] Okay, it's a matter of kind of service to me and we're saying from the true cost. Are we charging for credit card payments?

[1:36:39] That's about

[1:36:42] We go back right there. No, there were some of the CACH

[1:36:48] That's the retired. I don't think you do you know do we charge the person?

[1:37:00] I can I can tell your court is and I can tell you the link is

[1:37:04] Yeah, North Virgin Hills.

[1:37:06] We're going to take you out and look at adding that as well in here.

[1:37:09] Because we have to pay for it.

[1:37:11] So that, when we raise the rate enough to cover for everybody,

[1:37:15] it could be in there.

[1:37:17] Because it's in a red line.

[1:37:18] Sure.

[1:37:18] It's in a slide.

[1:37:20] I don't know.

[1:37:21] I don't know.

[1:37:22] Okay.

[1:37:24] North Virgin Hills just did it for all of them.

[1:37:26] All of them.

[1:37:26] You pay anything.

[1:37:28] And they're sitting with the credit card.

[1:37:34] We need to do a registration, so I believe it's still a challenge.

[1:37:58] Well actually, the cost to process a check is going to be more than it would be for the fees for the fee for the credit card.

[1:38:06] The credit card. So

[1:38:13] Pardon me

[1:38:13] Yeah, right, let's count our blessings

[1:38:18] That

[1:38:26] list is shortly expected. Thank you

[1:38:30] And sign all I think what do you want to see?

[1:38:33] For the final ordinance. What do you want to see

[1:38:37] Before it's on your agenda for approval or do you want us to go ahead and put it as a new business?

[1:38:41] I know in October we would have it finalized as an ordinance, the fee schedule, the utility rates

[1:38:50] everything at once, is there anything else that we need to prepare or do another workshop

[1:39:00] or...

[1:39:00] Now we just...

[1:39:01] I think we need to work on marketing this out to our resident base and this is pretty much

[1:39:08] it's going to be. So if we market this out, we're not, we're not going to get seriously

[1:39:14] bent.

[1:39:17] So a reconnect fee is only $40. So we have to go out and spend the time to do it,

[1:39:25] and it's only $40. So that's unchanged on the very bottom. Yeah, Kelly is a, when you go out and

[1:39:33] reconnect meter, what is that, the time?

[1:39:39] When Terry White gives you the list of the cutoffs or the

[1:39:43] connects. How long does that take the guys to go out? Same day. So on cut days we'll spend the

[1:39:48] first half of the day doing the cuts second half. We've turned it water back for the moment.

[1:39:53] Who does that cover the time? Is that cover our boss?

[1:39:56] Four in all. Because that's pretty cheap.

[1:39:59] So really cheap. It depends on we look at it and actually main hours to turn someone's water on it.

[1:40:05] Five seconds. Okay. So you're just locking it?

[1:40:08] When we go to cut it off, they lock it.

[1:40:13] Okay, my problem is for us to why was this cut off in the first place because now it's going to tell me that

[1:40:22] You know this person is going to go back into the into the other bill of not paying

[1:40:29] They're gonna get to 10% on top of that 40 dollars. Yeah, so

[1:40:35] So they should be some sort of increase on that on that deposit product where

[1:40:51] We've got people that wanted to break either a water man, a valves, and we added that to our schedule.

[1:41:00] If we have to go out and replace that 300-dollar valve, do they get to pay for it?

[1:41:03] We absorb it. I do not believe so in the past. We've even absorbed it in the past.

[1:41:10] Yeah.

[1:41:13] So there is a tampering fee that gets charged if they tamper with the meter.

[1:41:18] So there is a fee for that. There's the late penalty fee.

[1:41:22] Some of these looks like so just real quick.

[1:41:25] We do have a fire hydrant deposit. It's only like $1,200 though.

[1:41:29] It does not pay for the cost of the meter itself.

[1:41:32] the meter itself is over on the $2,500.

[1:41:36] Yeah, they're not.

[1:41:37] So that's why we were recommending going to $3,000.

[1:41:41] But yeah, we should have a tampering fee

[1:41:42] if they go out and try to turn their water back on.

[1:41:45] And actually, if we go out and they have to turn their water

[1:41:48] back on, there's a piece for that, too.

[1:41:50] Now, this is when they break the valve.

[1:41:53] And we've had during snowing again,

[1:41:56] and we had like eight of them get broken.

[1:42:01] Yeah, I think that there's a, if there's a,

[1:42:05] break to the equipment itself that they are charged to replace the equipment, but I can verify that

[1:42:10] Terry as well.

[1:42:13] I thought there was a charge for that because now that the new equipment even, I think

[1:42:17] time this was talking about, when you go a lot more goals in there and break it, somebody has to pay for it.

[1:42:25] Yeah, and I think you're not seeing it here because we're not performing a change to that.

[1:42:28] I think we are already charging.

[1:42:33] I guess I missed it. How much are you going to church me if I turn the meter myself?

[1:42:39] It's a tampering fee.

[1:42:43] I mean, it could be.

[1:42:51] No, that's different than if you like if we come and cut you off and you turn it back on that's what

[1:42:56] thing. If you need to turn it off because you have a leak, that's completely something different.

[1:43:01] You're not going to get charged if the water's running in the house in the middle of the night.

[1:43:07] Okay.

[1:43:07] You get it.

[1:43:09] I think this was John's point.

[1:43:11] Now, my point is when they break it.

[1:43:12] Now, if you break it while you're trying to turn it off, that's the difference.

[1:43:15] That was my point.

[1:43:16] It's not the guy that shuts it off.

[1:43:18] It's the guy that breaks it when they're trying to shut it off.

[1:43:21] They're doing what they're doing.

[1:43:22] They're doing what they're doing.

[1:43:24] Oh, so.

[1:43:26] Yeah.

[1:43:27] That's all.

[1:43:30] Yeah.

[1:43:31] Right.

[1:43:31] Yeah.

[1:43:32] That's good.

[1:43:35] Appreciate that.

[1:43:37] OK.

[1:43:38] Can I bring it back to the credit card piece?

[1:43:41] I just, probably, is Council giving direction to staff to bring us something

[1:43:46] about credit card piece.

[1:43:51] I'm okay with it.

[1:43:52] Perfect.

[1:43:53] Because we want to pay for it anyway.

[1:43:55] Yeah.

[1:43:56] I'll go back and make sure we're not already doing that.

[1:43:59] OK.

[1:43:59] I think it's a link.

[1:44:04] It could be.

[1:44:04] I know a lot of cities, so the law changed a few years ago.

[1:44:08] You used to not be able to charge a convenience fee when it came up and paid you face-to-face.

[1:44:14] That was just a costume business, but the law did change.

[1:44:16] We're now you can charge that fee.

[1:44:18] It used to only be for like online payments.

[1:44:21] But that's changed.

[1:44:23] I don't know, maybe the law is legislative for two sessions ago.

[1:44:26] So now then it is I don't know if you've updated your fees to include that so I'd have to

[1:44:31] just go back and check but if you're directing us to do that we can definitely

[1:44:35] look at that and see what that means to be I think most most all cities around us

[1:44:40] starts like 3% I think that should be on our fees schedule and then in most cities

[1:44:46] charge it for everything any time you use a credit card no matter if it's at the library

[1:44:50] Let's try it!

[1:44:51] You know, please, whatever.

[1:44:53] And let's try it.

[1:44:53] And let's put it in a front line.

[1:44:54] Let's set it over to spill sort of off force, you know, air can, some air can, everything

[1:44:57] up.

[1:44:58] Okay.

[1:45:00] So, yeah, thanks. I think that as the council was saying this, we should have, yes, library credit card fees should not be paid by the city. Correct.

[1:45:09] All right, but I don't have one. Why?

[1:45:15] out of one eye is an update on the fiscal year 2026 year in process following adoption of the fiscal year 2027 budget.

[1:45:27] The office will be real quick, Mayor.

[1:45:30] So we are finalizing our 26 budget projections as we go finalized the last few weeks of the fiscal year.

[1:45:41] And if there are any changes on the expenditure side, in terms of, like we're going to be over on the specific line,

[1:45:48] what we had originally budgeted, we bring that back to you as an amendment.

[1:45:52] If it's just that we know the revenues are going to be off because of the sales tax,

[1:45:56] that was short from

[1:46:00] the business that left, but on the expenditure side,

[1:46:05] what you're doing on the budget when you approve the budget is you're appropriating,

[1:46:11] and this long as we're not going over.

[1:46:14] And so we don't technically have to bring back a budget amendment to you, unless by ordinance, unless it is a mending the appropriations.

[1:46:27] Put it on here just as it heads up, because I don't know if I think in years past, you've always done it's like a, we're revising the fiscal year that we're finishing up, but we don't finish it for

[1:46:41] another two year in October,

[1:46:45] but I just wanted to give you a heads up of why that wasn't included.

[1:46:51] We'll verify that and bring that back if needed.

[1:47:05] You all have any fingers?

[1:47:07] No, no, no.

[1:47:10] All right.

[1:47:12] We'll move on.

[1:47:13] There are no further work action discussion items.

[1:47:17] Council will now convene into executive session under the applicable exceptions listed in the post of the agenda, including sections 5.5.

[1:47:25] 0.071, 5.1.072, and 5.1.087 of the Texas government code to discuss item 2A, economic

[1:47:37] development project, 26-022, or 72-94, blend you drive.

[1:47:44] I'll get a motion if you want to take it to the go under objective.

[1:47:47] We set second, all right, motion in second, five,

[1:47:51] skier, and wave it, time is 7.22.

[1:47:55] And you know,

[1:47:59] you need to move it, all in favor?

[1:48:03] All right, I'm going to pose

[1:48:09] for a seizure.

[1:48:10] Got it.

[1:48:14] I've learned that in a little bit too,

[1:48:15] there's a reason for it.

[1:48:20] Get the move, folks.

[2:12:56] All right,

[2:13:40] the City Council is convened and reconvened by open session. The time is 749, no action was taken in executive session and no action is requested at this time. We lost the audience, didn't we?

[2:13:54] All right, that concludes the work session. We're now going to move into the regular session. Welcome everyone.

[2:14:02] Now, call to order the original Hill City Council regular meeting for September 14th,

[2:14:09] The time is 7.50 p.m., thanks to everyone joining us in person in all lines.

[2:14:17] Please stand for the invocation, live by Councilman Malone, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance

[2:14:22] to the United States and Texas Flag.

[2:14:24] But as a Lord God, since there's not much of the beat left, I want to pray for something that's all over my mind.

[2:14:35] Lord bringing the goal whether or ever all wanting it, we're only eating it, and it's helps our staff,

[2:14:42] or when it's a little cooler.

[2:14:44] They're pleasing firefighters, code enforcement, out-of-control, that are out there every day.

[2:14:49] and us leaving to work and coming home and all that, so God we know you're a control of that, as you're a control of everything, so I won't let you.

[2:15:39] Presentation tonight, so we'll move on to item 7, citizen comments, this is the year. Let's speak in order not to be grateful.

[2:15:52] This is in comments.

[2:15:55] Under the Texas Open Meetings Act, the council may not deliver it or take action on a subject that is not posted on tonight's agenda.

[2:16:03] We may provide factual information, state existing city policy, or request that an item be placed on a future agenda when appropriate.

[2:16:13] All right, so we have two cards tonight.

[2:16:15] Jeannie Clark.

[2:16:16] We'd like to come up and tell us your name and address.

[2:16:25] Sorry.

[2:16:25] I have a scratchy throat.

[2:16:27] My name is Jenny Clark.

[2:16:28] I'm at 6973 Heart of C Street.

[2:16:31] It's been a while.

[2:16:32] I haven't been up here.

[2:16:34] I have nervous.

[2:16:36] So please forgive me.

[2:16:39] Before I get into what I would like to say, I would like everyone to be aware that I'm

[2:16:43] going to share some information, and I hope that the whole council would be prepared

[2:16:48] to write down and hopefully will investigate what I'm about to say.

[2:16:53] I don't know if you will be able to give me answers, eventually, or if this information that

[2:16:58] I'm sharing will be helpful, but I hope the answer to both of those things is yes.

[2:17:04] I can certain stems from the council members from a council member saying at the last council meeting that council and skiers actions was invalid under the Richland Hills rules of order.

[2:17:17] If his actions were invalid, then it is then is the vote invalid making the budget invalid.

[2:17:24] In August 14, 2023 there was a resolution in the Richland Hills city council.

[2:17:29] It was approved and adopted on the 28th.

[2:17:33] In amended the City Council rules of procedure following a charter amendment election by replacing

[2:17:38] Roberts rules of order with parliamentary procedure that says parliamentary procedures

[2:17:44] shall be given and referencing several amendments.

[2:17:48] I'm speaking of Section 7 that states a motion to request or consider maybe made at the meeting

[2:17:54] which at the action to be reconsidered was taken.

[2:17:57] In such an event, the motion or request to reconsider can be made, seconded, debated, and acted

[2:18:05] upon, even though it is not in the formal agenda.

[2:18:08] And if the motion is approved as provided here in, excuse me, the item to be reconsidered

[2:18:16] will be reopened immediately.

[2:18:18] This was enacted by resolution number 582-23.

[2:18:24] I am aware that at least two current council members voted on that very resolution.

[2:18:30] And I believe that parliamentary procedure says that if the procedure supporting a vote is invalid,

[2:18:35] then the vote is either void or voidable, voidable.

[2:18:40] So in conclusion, my questions are,

[2:18:43] was councilman skiers actions invalid under the Richland Hills Rules of Order,

[2:18:47] and is the fiscal year 2027 budget valid or void?

[2:18:51] Thank you for any clarification regarding this and thank you to all the council members for your time and efforts regarding our fiscal year 27 budget.

[2:19:02] Thank you.

[2:19:04] All right next we have Jim Sharble.

[2:19:10] Please come forward and state your name and address.

[2:19:18] All right guys.

[2:19:20] Okay.

[2:19:21] Tell the little do a little brainstorming.

[2:19:24] Tell us your name and address please.

[2:19:25] My name is Jim Schill, I'm a 31-01, quite street in the Westwood Hills, Texas, do I need to give this up?

[2:19:36] No, we're good.

[2:19:42] I haven't had the pleasure of being here at every meeting, but I find it a little bit interesting and sometimes get a little chuckle out of you guys.

[2:19:52] Last time I was here, you guys were deciding on whether you wanted to have a pool.

[2:19:56] And of course, I had to say, hey, wait a minute, I used to work for the Federal Government as a

[2:20:03] little specialist back in New York and again in El Paso, Texas, so I kind of know my way

[2:20:10] around the malls, and I pointed out to you that you guys wasted a little bit of money trying

[2:20:16] to figure out what you needed and you wanted to put a pool in, because I pointed out right

[2:20:19] way that you didn't have the parking or the land to put the pool in. And of course I never

[2:20:27] heard anything about that later on. By the way, Jason, did a whole job. I'd like that

[2:20:32] report. Thank you. The next question I have is I just found out who the representative

[2:20:41] of his that would talk to FEMA about the waterways and the floods zones that you have currently,

[2:20:52] which nobody's done that in many years, my understanding, at least 10 years that they've

[2:20:57] actually re-written, re-did the report.

[2:21:01] And I believe that person is Angela Davidson.

[2:21:08] We might want to talk to her about getting an updated report and probably help

[2:21:13] relieve some of the issues that you have already, especially with the flooding.

[2:21:23] The drainage situation you guys have going on right now, I'm going to make a recommendation

[2:21:30] that any new builds that you do, that the builders put in their own drainage. I don't

[2:21:39] think that is part of the thing that they have to do. But if they have to put the new drainage

[2:21:45] in, make sure it's very sufficient. And you're budgeting people. You're purchasing people.

[2:21:54] I don't know who's doing your purchasing, but I've been in a building industry for a while,

[2:22:02] and I think the guys are being overcharged.

[2:22:06] I wouldn't know until I read the numbers and compared them, but I used to know procurement

[2:22:10] for the military, and know I didn't buy the $200 toilet seats.

[2:22:15] But I did do quite a bit of aircraft at Miramar and North Island, and so for me to know, you know, what a faster cost versus, you know.

[2:22:30] Somebody's trying to solve something was pretty important. So I delve into those details quite a bit.

[2:22:39] That's why I'm saying, you know, you're budgeting or you're a procurement people need to see what's the best deal, not just name brand.

[2:22:49] And I can tell you right now, I take maybe one or two phone calls for sewage pipes and

[2:22:56] or water pipes to get really good deals on those.

[2:23:02] So I'd be happy to leave my number and let you check it out.

[2:23:06] The other thing is that during the situation,

[2:23:11] you have a major waterway between the

[2:23:15] Haltum and Richard Hills, that waterway is great.

[2:23:22] All that water runs off into that area.

[2:23:26] The theme of the problem is that nobody's updated to redo the flat particular street, which

[2:23:34] quite behind my house is a major trough and because of that trough, it's costing me and

[2:23:46] everybody on that street, a two hundred-year flood zone fee that we have to pay to

[2:23:54] FEMA just to be able to have this. So it would help me to reduce that, I didn't

[2:24:01] it. Also, if we put in piping back there, proper drainage,

[2:24:10] any city project that had dirt,

[2:24:14] overage, could take that dirt and throw it in the back there. That would save a lot of

[2:24:21] money. I'm sure the other citizens that live on that street would be appreciative, because

[2:24:26] all of a sudden they would gain more yard and less mosquitoes and less of a vermin than we

[2:24:33] already have. That's been a major problem. I go back to my backyard. I can't stand

[2:24:38] or because of mosquitoes.

[2:24:42] Also, every due to the cities expenditures on maintenance of

[2:24:49] that drainage way, because as I understand it, part of your duties is to make sure that

[2:24:57] drainage way is cleared, and to make sure that there is no more infestations and any other

[2:25:05] other issues with that.

[2:25:08] So if you put the sewer, you know, put a drainage pipe back there covered it over, not only

[2:25:14] would it take care of any further maintenance issues that you have, which would be probably

[2:25:20] in the neighborhood, at least a hundred thousand a year. And that would be a great advantage

[2:25:28] to you guys to keep producing your budget like that.

[2:25:30] Jim, I'm going to have to wrap you up pretty quick.

[2:25:32] It's a pretty minute, but we've been letting you go almost ten, so let's try to get it wrapped

[2:25:37] up. We'll get some more business to take care of, too, so can I come back another meeting,

[2:25:42] Can I come back?

[2:25:43] Can I say one more thing about the con, I bought two conics and I'm trying to put in a garage

[2:25:50] in my 50 by 50 pad.

[2:25:54] The city's rule on that is that you can't have any storage containers and usage, which

[2:26:01] I'm wondering about because they're stronger than a standard building, as long as they maintain

[2:26:06] in the city's walls of the building codes,

[2:26:11] Edward Bahuv, the city, allowed a roof to be put on those,

[2:26:16] and the sorts of containers to be used in a proper fashion.

[2:26:20] I'm not trying to go against a law, I'm trying to go with it,

[2:26:23] but making a addition or a amendment to the usage of storage contains.

[2:26:28] I can understand if they were out in the front yard and they were ugly,

[2:26:31] But if they're behind the fence and in a proper fashion, which the city could easily regulate that would be a much better deal.

[2:26:43] Okay, well I think the city must be aware of this already.

[2:26:47] Is that.

[2:26:48] Yeah.

[2:26:49] We'll check into it in any way you can contact city staff or you can contact me.

[2:26:53] I've got a card out front too.

[2:26:55] But there's several cards out there.

[2:26:57] Contact us and follow up with us.

[2:26:59] Yes please.

[2:27:01] And thank you appreciate your time and I will be running for office next time.

[2:27:08] All right.

[2:27:10] Get the line, right?

[2:27:18] We're now going to move on to the citizen first city council comments.

[2:27:21] Any city council have anything?

[2:27:23] I actually do.

[2:27:26] Last week I was at a team all event up in Pappell.

[2:27:29] And one of the attendees walked up to me and I didn't have to decide if there's a health.

[2:27:35] And pointed out that our link is a really great center, staff by great people that are making things work well.

[2:27:46] And the fact that they had an open, basically trying them by, has brought this person into the link as a member.

[2:27:54] And they come in literally, they're there every week.

[2:27:57] So Kuro is to link in the link staff and it's actually doing what we wanted to.

[2:28:04] It's bringing people in from outside the town.

[2:28:09] Just a good deal.

[2:28:12] Like you have community interest item?

[2:28:15] Many interest items.

[2:28:18] The first one after school program at the link we are now in rolling for that.

[2:28:23] Senior lunch, function, bingo, second, third day of each month in the link community room.

[2:28:32] Senior social time at the library is Thursdays at 10 a.m.

[2:28:36] The Richmond Hills Literary Club is the second.

[2:28:39] Tuesday, each month at the library at 6.30.

[2:28:44] They're forever buddy fundraiser at Chipotle Saturday, September the 19th, from 4 to 8 p.m.

[2:28:53] Hopefully everybody will come out and support that.

[2:28:56] Sticker Posea, Friday, September the 18th at the library from 5 to 6 p.m.

[2:29:03] The trail tell, take a walk with the library, visit our hike and bike trail.

[2:29:08] and trade near a latheum drog and join an international movement that combines literacy, exercise

[2:29:14] nature and family bonding.

[2:29:16] Last, the library lab is Tuesdays, Tuesdays, Tuesdays, September the 29th at the library

[2:29:22] from 5 to 6 p.m. Please check our social media sites for more information about these and

[2:29:28] many more events.

[2:29:31] All right, good deal. Thank you. Thank you. Any other council have anything?

[2:29:33] Just one update to the the senior lunch bunch has got to cut off the Monday before so if you got to you got to get signed up

[2:29:40] That Monday before yep, or they can't get the can't accommodate, but it's a great event

[2:29:45] All right

[2:29:48] out of nine a is an update on flashpoke and the number of Richland Hills residents currently enrolled in this survey

[2:29:56] Jason, you propose

[2:30:00] We have landed in left about a month ago, two months ago. We are at around 100. I think people signed up. In order to get to a statistically significant number, we need to be over 200.

[2:30:15] Sheena, we're at 160, I think, as of right now, and so we're still short of that 200.

[2:30:22] If there's opportunities for council to get help us get the word out, when we've got it at every event that we do.

[2:30:31] It's at the link.

[2:30:32] We've got things at front of City Hall.

[2:30:34] We're putting it in the utility bills.

[2:30:38] You know, short of just going and knocking on doors, I don't know how else to get 200 to get the extra 40 people.

[2:30:46] But we do have the national night out coming up in one of three weeks.

[2:30:53] That'd be a great opportunity to carry a flyer with you, go around and get people to take a picture.

[2:30:59] If you aren't going to sign up, why you're standing there.

[2:31:02] So if you could help us, any contact you have for residents, get them to sign up for this, then we could start doing those little one-minute surveys and get some immediate feedback for various things, they'd be very helpful.

[2:31:17] So do we have that flyer?

[2:31:20] Is there one?

[2:31:21] We have some about that.

[2:31:23] So what if we offer a $25 gift card to a restaurant and town to get anybody that signs up?

[2:31:30] Let's get 100 more people. That's $2,500. That's not going to kill our budget. They go to El Chico or whatever, and then I don't know.

[2:31:39] I'm just thinking, what can we do to get people out there that they're interested?

[2:31:43] Because we can't get people to run for boards or commissions or to volunteer for those.

[2:31:48] You know, let alone City Council sometimes too. So, I've got to get people interested.

[2:31:53] I'm hopeful for the National Light Out to be okay.

[2:31:55] Good push.

[2:31:56] Can you make sure that every house host gets flyers or at least one?

[2:32:02] Yeah, that's the most good house.

[2:32:04] That's something that we monitor chief.

[2:32:06] Everybody who does the National Night Out House.

[2:32:10] Because they could even just put it on a poster board

[2:32:12] and have people come up with a scanning.

[2:32:14] Yes, they come.

[2:32:15] Santa poster board at every house.

[2:32:17] That's a great idea.

[2:32:18] Something like, well, this house cream right here.

[2:32:20] Just my kids who are poster.

[2:32:22] Yeah.

[2:32:22] with the, with the, with the, um,

[2:32:24] we've worked hard to,

[2:32:26] we've worked hard to, you know?

[2:32:28] We can put something together when we deliver the signs

[2:32:31] for the host homes.

[2:32:33] Yeah, we can put something together.

[2:32:35] But we are doing another mailer.

[2:32:37] Okay.

[2:32:37] That's correct, Gina.

[2:32:42] Yeah.

[2:32:44] Get a paper, water, water, water,

[2:32:47] water.

[2:32:47] Yeah.

[2:32:48] We could just stick even just one end with the host.

[2:32:52] Stop that would be.

[2:32:53] So, we'll see how that does.

[2:32:55] And then we can problem after that.

[2:32:57] And that, yeah, was some gift cards, just gift cards, yeah.

[2:33:01] And if, if I can, Texas not out wasn't listed on the community items,

[2:33:06] but it is coming up as we're talking about on October the 6th from 6th to 9.

[2:33:11] So anybody interested in hosting a party that information and sign up as on the website.

[2:33:21] OK.

[2:33:27] So on the flash vote, too, one of the things that you could put on there,

[2:33:31] It's called RH 101, is that what it is for our yeah that could be one of those things would you be interested in doing that whenever you stand out

[2:34:05] If they got a type in the link or can they use the scan,

[2:34:10] they will be

[2:34:15] sent.

[2:34:16] But you're saying if you just get it by email, I don't know that RSTW automated system has that ability.

[2:34:24] It's a PDF, so there's a link there.

[2:34:27] No, I'd like to add it to that.

[2:34:28] I'd like to reiterate the PDF.

[2:34:30] We've asked them to break down the base chart.

[2:34:32] We couldn't even get that.

[2:34:35] Okay.

[2:34:36] The load may be there if I see it.

[2:34:39] So, see through the notification, send out, send it to the code.

[2:34:44] Yeah, we've sent it through Everbridge.

[2:34:46] Everbridge, and yeah, information.

[2:34:49] And I'll just try and manual quick.

[2:34:50] We can also send it to residents through the links on database.

[2:34:54] And so we'll get all the residents.

[2:34:55] Okay.

[2:34:57] Let's do all kinds of stuff.

[2:34:58] That's good.

[2:35:00] All right.

[2:35:00] Very good.

[2:35:02] All right.

[2:35:02] Item 9V is discussion of you are finished with that.

[2:35:06] Yes, right.

[2:35:07] Item 9V is discussion of Terrent County pricing

[2:35:10] in the anticipated schedule for the city's fiscal year

[2:35:14] 2027 mill a mobile labor and Kelly presented this.

[2:35:20] Yeah, I'll kick it off while he walks up.

[2:35:22] We wanted to make sure and just give you details

[2:35:26] on some recent meetings, but it

[2:35:29] operating budget for the street sales tax we had projected about 1.35 million that's coming in for that

[2:35:37] sales tax so that we had 1.275 million going to like street maintenance milling overlay,

[2:35:44] carbon gutter, driver approaches, but you also have cash in that fund that's available as well.

[2:35:52] So not only does, do we have 1.275, you have another million or so that you could use,

[2:35:59] so you really have like 2.0 something million that you could use for milling over late,

[2:36:03] urban gutter, and those things.

[2:36:05] So that's kind of the background and then Kelly's kind of done the rest.

[2:36:09] Yeah, so just quick update, now we got these roads.

[2:36:11] I know the history of violence, we kicked that off back in January, got the scans done,

[2:36:17] and this last spring, they give us this a PCI score rating.

[2:36:21] I then took the PCI score, looked at historical scoring that was done in 2019 for the previous CPI.

[2:36:29] They gave us the store goals on everything underground, all the water mains, supermains.

[2:36:34] I took that list, I found the roads that didn't require water mains and didn't require substantial supermains.

[2:36:41] I do have four on here that the piece of quick piper, some jobs, we could do it.

[2:36:46] That's how we developed what we're called milling.

[2:36:49] I'm using a mill and overlay lightly.

[2:36:52] Terry County, come out, paracing three professional rules.

[2:36:55] They recommend that we do a full debt to reclaim on the majority of the roadways,

[2:36:59] where we could get away with a mill and overlay.

[2:37:01] There's going to be too many spot repairs.

[2:37:03] That's going to need a lot of cost and asphalt,

[2:37:05] where we come out cheaper to a full debt to reclaim.

[2:37:09] Full debt, I'm going to go in a little detail about that.

[2:37:11] So they're milling the asphalt, and they actually reclaimed the subgrade.

[2:37:14] While they're reclaiming that, they're injecting a concrete slurry,

[2:37:17] and then they're compacting it.

[2:37:18] So now we're getting a better sub-grid under the third okay, and then we're putting that for top and ask for

[2:37:24] So if the mill another lady gets you 10 to 12 years, this is gonna get you 15 to 10

[2:37:31] We've done this as hard-blown appeal the roads, driven, being at one of the first ones off the top of my head, I think. The main purpose of that was traffic from school to the bus. Clearly, they increased the cost a little bit, slightly, but we do get a longer lifespan,

[2:37:52] right? So talk about the timing, like what is Terry County's timing. So come along. Fall going into winter, we'll start developing ILAs. Once we actually decide on these are for sure the roadways, we want to get done.

[2:38:03] is coming to play we'll bring those back to y'all. I've also got to do behind the scenes, find a

[2:38:10] contractor to do so. Some line replacement along with that's a curb and gutter replaced. We don't

[2:38:16] want to do all this work to the roadway and not ensure our curb and gutter lines are working.

[2:38:19] We obviously drainage is one of our bigger issues. We want to make sure what we have is working.

[2:38:25] Mayor will recommend that we meet with the infrastructure committee within the next couple

[2:38:32] weeks or so if that possible so that we can outline what those streets look like and then bring

[2:38:37] that back to the full council on your get your interlocal agreements at the time of the

[2:38:43] timing of the actual construction likely we'll be into the spring.

[2:38:46] You know Lake Spring early summer, precinct threes, they said they could be out here for

[2:38:51] a whole month.

[2:38:52] For instance, what we did on the most took up two days, definitely doable.

[2:38:59] Can you take a couple of pictures of each street just to give us an example when we're meeting with the committee?

[2:39:05] Just so we can get a quick idea without doing a field trip, just saves a little time too.

[2:39:15] So what's that? Perfect thanks.

[2:39:18] So how much is this, are we looking at 2.2 million or 1.2, or what are we looking at?

[2:39:26] For the numbers I got from the county on all nine roadways, it's going to be one point.

[2:39:33] That's pretty good.

[2:39:35] Especially for what they're doing.

[2:39:37] But one we've ever done before.

[2:39:39] We're going to cat it in the remaining cash that we still have.

[2:39:42] It's going to go towards carbon gutter and driver granges.

[2:39:46] And we're still doing seasons.

[2:39:49] We've got the carbon gutter and driver granges.

[2:39:52] I mean if you do full blow, you're talking about two million three million.

[2:39:56] Oh yeah.

[2:39:56] you need it we're going to have to be very particular with that. The estimates I had just

[2:40:00] for concrete is wrong. I feel like my numbers are a little bit hard compared to what happens

[2:40:06] provided on the passports. Okay.

[2:40:11] And that is guessing, hey we're replacing every single drive

[2:40:14] away, every single curve together. So there may be some instances where we don't need to.

[2:40:18] Yeah, I'm stopping my head. Yeah. I think Norden drive their sections up by the minute school

[2:40:23] Yeah, for sure.

[2:40:26] Okay.

[2:40:27] That sounds great.

[2:40:30] Thank you.

[2:40:31] Anybody else have anything?

[2:40:32] All right.

[2:40:33] Thank you.

[2:40:34] Next.

[2:40:35] We'll now consider the consent agenda.

[2:40:37] These items are considered routine.

[2:40:40] It may be approved with one motion.

[2:40:42] Unless a council member or citizen request that an item be removed for separate discussion.

[2:40:47] Item 10A is approval of the minutes from there.

[2:40:50] August 24th, 2026 City Council regular meeting. Item 10B is appointment of Kelly Morris is the voting member

[2:40:59] and Eric Valdez is the ultimate member to the Fort Worth wholesale water and wastewater customer and

[2:41:06] advisory committee for fiscal year 2027. Anybody want to remove any item? Okay.

[2:41:13] Hearing none, the suggested motion is I move to approve consent agenda items 10A.

[2:41:18] In 10B as present it is there a motion may I move the except the I was as you've read

[2:41:25] in seconds

[2:41:26] second okay second so

[2:41:28] All in favor I

[2:41:30] In those motion carries

[2:41:32] That brings us to the adjourn thanks for coming

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