[1:19] When I have your honors for Mr. Dyckman. Dyckman tonight is, busy with the senior Olympics over at the, uh, Lincoln Park. No. Well, we’re hosting pickleball tonight, so he’s managing the pickleball tomorrow. Is tonight pickleball tonight? Pickleball. I’m sorry. Yeah. Bocce ball is tomorrow. Correct? All right.

[1:39] So I did want to mention that as well. The mayor, if you want to watch the mayor in perfect form, he’ll be rolling. I am not participating in the Olympics. I do bocce ball. That’s not okay. I thought he was rolling the. Rock. That. Yeah. Um, but that happens tomorrow at, I think ten. Right? Yeah.

[1:56] Bocce ball tomorrow here at ten for our seniors. Wish him good luck. Of course. And then, uh, he also wanted me to mention that concerts in the park still going on? It’ll be 6:30 p.m. on Wednesday. And that’s all the announcements I have for this evening. Oh. Very good.

[2:15] Yeah, they have the opening ceremony in Lincoln Park. They’re hosting the events, but obviously there’s events in each city that, uh, when we’re doing pickleball and bocce ball as well. Um, congratulations. All the seniors participating in that. Uh, first up, we have proposed drug paraphernalia ordinance. Chief, if you want to come up.

[2:34] So, chief, you want I’ll read this background, or you can just give us the 10,000 foot view of what you’re looking for. Well, I, I didn’t. Want to just bring it to the council agenda on a council meeting. There was discussion. It’s pretty self-explanatory. We had a little, uh, gap here that needed to be addressed. And we’re hoping that you consider it.

[2:53] Basically, we we have an ordinance right now that’s like for DUI’s, for making counterfeit stuff. But we don’t have an ordinance that actually covers paraphernalia for illicit drugs. So how this will help you in your enforcement? Well, we’ll be writing correct citations for that when we come across this.

[3:11] We don’t come across it very often, but we did the other day. So here. Is thank you very much. So you know what? I’m talking to you. Okay. Any questions for the chief? Ryan I do. Um, can you. Just explain. A little bit about. what a drug paraphernalia is for, like. planning and cultivating. And growing. And harvesting? Well.

[3:31] A lot of people that have licenses to grow at their homes is this. preclude those people from transporting from, like, a grocer shop to their home? No, there’s different laws for that kind of stuff. I wouldn’t consider that paraphernalia.

[3:46] Back in the day, we would consider that like the products of the plant could have been used like seeds. Stuff like that could have been paraphernalia. But that’s not going to that law change when they legalize marijuana. So that wouldn’t affect any of that kind of stuff. This is more for like, um, pills and. , um. Crystal meth, uh, cocaine, heroin, stuff like that.

[4:03] Anything that product that goes with those illicit. There has to be a nexus nexus to drugs. Like planting of and cultivating, growing, harvesting and illicit drugs. Correct. Illegal drugs. This is probably an ordinance that was drafted that had probably marijuana back in the day.

[4:26] Well, that’s what I’m concerned is that now being legal or, you know, controlled but legal. Um, that this would be inclusive of those types of components that people use for cultivating at their home. Correct. But there are situations, let’s say we ran into a minor that was doing that. They’re not allowed to have that kind of stuff. That’s a civil infraction.

[4:43] But this would make that a misdemeanor if they were possessing stuff like that, because they can’t possess just like they can’t possess alcohol. Mhm. So there is a situation where that could come into play. Okay. But not for the average person. That was legally transporting those types of products from a store to their home. That’s correct. Okay.

[5:03] That’s that was my concern. You’re talking just like in the marijuana range. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if it’s for licit, then, you know, I don’t know what type of illicit drugs people grow, like coca leaves or, you know, what other types of things that they use for manufacturing.

[5:20] So that’s that’s the only thing that came to mind was cultivating marijuana, I guess. Yeah, that’s that’s pretty much not existing anymore in law enforcement as. Mhm. So does this only pertain to patrols and traffic stops like say you were in my house for a domestic violence call or something like that, and there was a bong or a grinder sitting on my coffee table with that.

[5:45] Well, if it was used for marijuana like we just discussed with Brian. No. Okay. It’s a meth pipe, maybe. Correct. Usually we’re pretty good at telling the difference between a crack pipe and a marijuana. Pipe. That’s a slide show I watch. Juicy cha boy, that goes along with that.

[6:05] Which is, you know, like, they use it as a filter. I mean, we could get into a lot. Of. Logos, too much information. Any other questions for chief? I did want to make a comment that a lot of stuff happens behind. The scenes. And this is one example where John and his people are very heads up and proactive.

[6:25] You know, we represent other communities, other departments. And his people take the initiative of bringing these things to our attention so we can draft things up and get them in front of you. So. Whereas other communities are not blessed with the staff that John has. So I just wanted to point that out.

[6:46] I appreciate that because Detective Sergeant Erickson had pointed that out so well. Thank you to you all and all the officers. You do a wonderful job. Well thank you. Whatever we can do to make your job a little bit easier. We’re here to help. We appreciate that. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Chief.

[7:00] Well, I guess I would ask Council is are we. Would this be something that would be on the next Monday’s agenda? I feel comfortable going for it. I agree. Okay. I agree. Great. Thank you. Okay. Um. Special projects. Yeah. We’ll start with, uh. So Ohio tonight, our city civil engineer. Good evening everyone. Um. We finished.

[7:25] The DPW concrete replacement. We are working on a section in the city where we started a joint city program. The relief sewer connection to the do is ongoing. We are going to be spending $50,000 of grant money on benches and, um, picnic tables that we, uh, Heritage Park Playscape would just put in. Oh.

[7:47] Very good money that we were able to get the county to pay for. Oh, the county came up with that. Money. So. Right. Um, I mean, that’s for the 600,000. Yeah. Oh, wow.

[8:11] Um, otherwise, um, next meeting on Monday, I’ll be bringing forward the contract amendment for to approval so we can get it back together so we can sign it. Okay. For the new, uh, volumes that we have average and the maximum. And once we do that, every four years. Mhm. So it’s due now. So we have to have done this coming Monday. Okay. Thank you.

[8:31] Uh, do you have a question? Um, the work at Ray Street. Is that the connection to the tunnels? That the connection? The alignment comes out of the, uh, Huntington subdivision? Mhm. Crosses fourth Street, goes to Ray, turns left. No rain goes all the way to the, uh, Pennsylvania Tunnel. Uh, where the tunnel is along Pennsylvania Road.

[8:54] However, we encountered a 16 inch gas main that’s right on top of the shaft where the chef’s supposed to be. A 16 inch. What? Not what? I mean, I’m sorry. Yes. I mean, the Guzman wasn’t supposed to be there, so now we have to work that out. Oh, no. Mine. Yikes. All right. Talk to the staff.

[9:13] They cannot relocate that. That’s too big to relocate. And even if they want to do it at their own cost, it’s going to take months to do so. We can’t wait that long. So we decided to relocate the shaft. That’s just like this. So we were able to relocate the shaft to make it fit.

[9:28] Okay. So in simple layman’s terms, we get a lot of complaints the way the road is shut down eastbound on Pennsylvania towards fourth Street. Right. Does that lane really need to be shut down at Port Street? I’m sure there’s rules that the construction. Should be.

[9:51] When they were planning to cut and do the work they saw, they shut it down when they found out there’s no work taking place. You made them open. They said you cannot shut it down unless you’re working. You’re working. You can.

[10:06] If you’re not working, open it up, because that creates a big bottleneck on Fourth Street coming eastbound on Pennsylvania. Turn right on fourth of this day. So they will not close it unless they are doing work. There. So but the work is taken. I went by the other day. They’re working on Ray Street. There is nobody from Fort Street to. That’s because they encountered the gas line.

[10:25] They were supposed to be parked on the gas line, but this was in there. Okay. And that was going to be a deep water 1.5ft deep. shaft is about 15, foot in diameter. It takes up our lane. All right. Thank you. Any other. That’s why. Any other questions for Ohio? No.

[10:45] I wouldn’t say that. Uh, the work that you’re having, some cement do at Huntington. They’re doing a bang up job that the crews that they have over there are extremely polite. I’ve been, uh. Of course, I live on Huntington, so traffic going back and forth. Those guys have been excellent.

[11:03] So he’s, um, he’s been very, uh, good to work with. Yeah. We have him here. We have an Alum Park in Trenton, and he does a good job. Yeah, those guys hustled to make sure that the room is open, so. I. And then you have you addresses it right away. So.

[11:19] Yeah, it doesn’t, uh, sit on it and promote it. Very diligent. I have one quick question. Sure. Um, when will the Park East Court be done? I’m interested in watching some of that process. Yeah, we would be sending an invitation out for everybody to watch. I want to watch it, too.

[11:38] And I want to invite, if you don’t mind, other committees, to watch it, because there may be interest in. I’m glad I’m not the only one. That’s the weirdo that’s. Going to be. Considering that he dropped off his insurance today. It wasn’t up to par.

[11:54] Did he have additional insurance? Uh, for review and for our office. So I sent back with them. He’s going to bring you back to revise. Then I have to send it back to Randy to to review. And once we got it reviewed and approved to ring to the mayor for signature, then we can schedule. So it may be early next week.

[12:11] Awesome. Thank you. So he may be doing some prep work before we apply the spray patch. That may not be something we can invite you to watch because again, it’s going to be just payment. But when they bring in the big rig to spray patch, we need people to see it.

[12:30] Will you be recording it at all? Um. We may have to revise it. Yeah, we can. That might be cool. I already they already have their own videos for it, but again, for parking. Yeah, we do it. Okay. Thank you. You’re welcome. Jeff. Uh, Mr.. Dave. Sheridan. Community development, and, The building department.

[12:47] Thank you. What do you got for items tonight? The first is we found out today that, um, a new indoor, uh, children’s activity and entertainment center signed a lease option for the former Detroit Business Institute. Okay. Space in the back corner of the Riverview Commons.

[13:05] Also, we got kind of a random lead on someone looking to build a 700 zero square foot building to build high end luxury boat interiors. What? So I don’t know where it’s going to go, but we’re trying to find spaces where it’s where. Someone I look for new build.

[13:25] Is that what they’re looking to do? And do a new build? Yeah, but we don’t have all the information. It was really a random call. We’re trying to track it down. Um, we’re also working on, uh, two grants, one with Simcock and one with the National Fitness Campaign. Mhm.

[13:42] And finally, uh, the planning commission is in the midst of, uh, looking at several, uh, minor amendments of the zoning ordinance. And then.. Beneath Dave, is that both the original and his work? Yeah. The the fitness. And the and the. And the one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Question.

[14:06] Dave. Any reported mentions for the Riverview Commons at the DCC Economic Development Report.? Describes July’s discussion with the commercial broker. You know, that’s referring to what type of discussion you’re having with. The comments.

[14:23] I think we’re I believe Ron is talking with them all the time to see what’s going on, to see where the leases are. That’s one of the discussions was this morning where we found out that that children’s center, signed a lease option. We’re just always keeping tabs with everybody. Yeah. Just see what’s on there. Right. Yeah.

[14:41] Brian is doing a great job of, uh, not pursuing the grants, but I get emails all the time for people looking for things. Yeah, it’s just so nice now to have to push it to her. Yeah. Uh, and so she she follows up on it. So I do know she’s working with DCC and Samkhya for some of these grants, but I think specifically your question. Obviously, she worked for the DCC contracts with thoughts.

[14:57] So she does have a lot of background stuff that we may not be aware of that. Uh, right. At some point, she’ll have to bring. To us. We’ve been referring to. But if it’s for that, uh, date or play area, that makes sense. Um, any other thing is just any update on Panda? I haven’t seen any development there.

[15:16] In a while. They work, they go in spurts. They work hard for a while, then they stop. They got no buildings, but chasing them down and trying to see where they’re at. I know they’re doing internal interior work quite a bit, but they still got a lot of exterior.

[15:29] And do we know yet if they have a license? No, as a dispensary? No. Okay. Do we know if they even applied for one yet? I think they have to build. I don’t believe they have. I think they have to have a building. Oh, okay. Up and going. I think.

[15:42] You’re right. Before the state can come in. And actually, their inspections. Okay. Makes sense. Okay. Thanks. Anything else? Jeff? Uh, no, I is, uh. Tim’s here. Tim. Anything going on in the landfill? Any project, the land preserve has. No special projects. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. But they just had another awesome customer appreciation day.

[16:06] They did? Oh, so. It’s a great place to go for lunch. Was. Food trucks? Yeah. Just keep. Throwing stuff. Anything else? No, sir. I think that’s it. Okay. Uh, any other Business council wants to bring up at this time? Brian. A couple things.

[16:25] First, I wanted to thank everybody from the community and the police and fire chiefs for coming out for the review committee, Neighborhood watch, National Night Out on Tuesday. And, uh, a lot of people in attendance. I think it was another good year.

[16:40] Special thanks to Rita for all the help with making sure the kids stayed safe and helping set up and tear down, so that was a big benefit. And also especially to act on security systems, um, for their support and bringing out their, their mobile trailer security unit, which is pretty cool to see.

[16:57] So maybe it’s something the city would be interested in checking out some for smaller events. And um, and uh, that was it related to the National Night Out? Um, I’ve been getting questions since the article came out about the education of the community for the property sale and redevelopment, and, um, a couple of them related to the golf course is, um, will there

[17:19] be at a point where. I mean, I know we don’t have a developer that’s interested yet, but we have an idea of when the phasing would be of the development and in general, such as when the lakes would be dug up or even the phases, what the order of the phases would be, not necessarily one..

[17:37] Well, of course, uh, the first step, um, should it go, you know, through November ballot? Uh, then we would set up those phases, but you would start the digging and you would start, you know, uh, hopefully you could find a developer quite quickly, but it won’t.

[18:00] But once one’s identified, then in my opinion, we would have to figure out. Is it going to stay to. the current plan if the lakes are going to be there, what are they going to, you know, what are they going to propose for late life? Because they do start digging the lakes. You’re also disturbing all that other ground.

[18:14] And you would grade for the lots around the lakes, and you could kill two birds with one stone, basically. And, you know, the golf course would be when the lakes, when the lakes start to be dug.

[18:32] Uh, I think it had to be hard pressed to pass through Randy and Tracy, allowing golfers out there with the heavy equipment, even if there’s some golf holes that could potentially play. So I think it would be checked down at that point when the lakes when the construction begins.

[18:48] Just don’t know if the construction would begin, even though we need that dirt, if it would begin before we’d find a developer and have a developed plan which could take a year, a year and a half, and then what goes with all that in time, Dave would, you know, back me up on this is all the environmental issues, because you’d have to have everything tested the soil, the, the wetlands, the, the, uh, floodplain. The Franken poet. So we’d have compensatory cuts to include the.

[19:08] Things are going to take some time because we have to apply for, uh, Egle and Corps of Engineers for a variety of wetland, uh, floodplain issues and environmental issues. So, uh. For one thing, though.

[19:27] So I like to say those are all positive in the, you know, for the state’s review for the floodplain and the compensatory cut for the Franken point. Yeah, I mean, we’re doing the right steps to get the companies in place. Begin. Pond is going to add to the environmental feature, uh, to the site. So but again, the process of review is going to take some time.

[19:45] It’s uh, it’s uh, but uh, overall it’s going to be a, um, ecologically very good project for the floodplain. And what’s the investigation of that stuff? So I think. It will be in our. I’ll be pleased with at least what we look to do. Um, I do too. I think Dave.

[20:03] And the Planning Commission have a big role in master plan, and. Oh, yeah, things of that nature as well. And, Jeff, just for the residents, remind us again how much money that would save us for cover. Yes. Uh, well, our calculation with our, uh, environmental engineers was 8 million.

[20:25] If we had to truck it in, um, and with equipment, our equipment, people and our trucks and taking that dirt, it’s a million and a half to 2 million. So that’s a $6 million cash savings. Yeah. We’ll let Brian finish up. I’m going. To. Ask her. Well, I’m glad that Dave brought up the, um, clarification.

[20:47] I was asked to bring forward was, um, the, um, the the, the 2.81 million, which would be including the blue and the, the gold course, um, repairs and upgrades. Is that money? It says it would.

[21:05] Um, I forget the phrasing, but, uh, I think in the paper it said I actually here says, um, the funds would come from the sale of the land or savings from harvesting the soil. So to me, a sale would then bring in revenue, and then you’d have to use some of that revenue for that. Upgrades of the golf course.

[21:26] Whereas using money that would have been spent for trucking in the soil is really just a cost avoidance, that you’re then shifting that money to the expenditure for those repairs. So it’s a big variance between using revenue we have or using revenue that we’re saber not going to spend. And it’s a benefit that we’re not spending it because that could either go for the closure or operating costs of landfill.

[21:43] But now it’s going for improvements on the golf course. Well, yeah. And I understand that. But you got to remember that that golf course is actually the dog for the whole project. It’s going to the the development goes around the golf course because anyone buying new residential homes want to be around a newly developed golf course.

[22:05] That’s the value. That’s the value to that, to that residential development. They want to live. With the developer, not have an interest in putting some of that. Bill. Oh, do we? Oh yeah. We’re absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Because they only gave those two options either from the sale, which means our revenue or from the cost avoidance.

[22:28] that that makes sense. Like we’re paying. For it. Yeah, it we’re nowhere near of figuring all of that. Yeah. We were. Just talking I got asked the exact same questions. That’s why.

[22:43] We don’t want to spend too much time focusing on what we just do until we know we’re allowed to, we will have to vote before we. This will help. With a lot of the discussion, which I had some notes here that when everybody knows, of all council know and the public that we just completed a series of interviews with, um, um, well, we did we interviewed the community expert type stuff. We interviewed Steve from Waylon.

[23:04] Uh, Ray lemons from the, uh, the Planning Commission, Ron Hendrix from the Southern Wayne County Regional Chamber of Commerce. Uh, Mike Caesar, uh, the two chiefs, uh, on.

[23:24] Their their responses to what we’re doing, the plans for the road millage and the potential redevelopment of the golf course. So we did we did a series of videos which, uh, our IT crews in the middle now of of editing it, get them down to 32nd one minute clips. So starting soon, I don’t know exactly when we’re going to start airing those clips either on our Facebook page, website, uh, uh, social.

[23:44] All the social media type stuff. Uh, so but in addition to that, there’s going to be a whole additional information campaign where people can actually come in and ask some of the questions we’ve seen in some of them already. Uh, we’re planning on two town halls.

[24:01] Uh, I don’t know if you have got a couple of potential potential dates yet, but we’re working on those, uh, where we will have, uh, who knows where it’s going to be either center. Arnold. Those are where there will be, um, where people can come and ask the questions. Now, what the format will be yet.

[24:19] But at least we’re looking at we want to be able to provide live answers to the people who have the questions, because you’ve seen some of the feedback on Facebook already, and I don’t even think we can, uh, just talk about the sale of the golf course. That’s city money, which is separate from landfill money.

[24:39] Right? So we’re not that money can’t go or like we could, but it’s not required to go from the city to the landfill. Foreclosure, the landfill. At this point, there’s going to be the sole funder of the closure of the cost. You know, they’re not taking any more money from the city.

[24:54] We’re not taking we’re two separate entities now. So, uh, I didn’t see the Facebook post that did say that that money should be used for landfill closure. Well, it could be, but it’s got to be used to redevelop the whole property so we can get the additional homes on there. And you’re absolutely correct.

[25:10] We’ll have to work with whoever the developer is, because there’s gonna be all kinds of infrastructure costs that have to go along with that. Who bears all that costs. So hopefully to be shared.

[25:25] But, uh, yeah, there’s there’s tons of questions that we can’t answer until we get permission from our residents to even move forward, because there’s going to be some big investments of money. I’m assuming, once that decision is made. But we don’t want to make those if it doesn’t pass.

[25:42] So, you know, that’s why we have to do our best to inform the community of what we’re doing, both for the Ryan, the Road Village and the redevelopment of the golf course. So stay tuned. And yeah, obviously the paper is out yet. I know it’s online, but, uh, uh, refer to the register.

[26:02] I know I made some reference to it in my article, and I believe thread also published, uh, you know, um, is it a page? I don’t know how much information, but there’s, there’s quite a bit of. Okay. 2 or 3 of the background and some of the costs too. So, so pay attention to that.

[26:16] So I would, I would go to those sources first before I go to Facebook, because you’re going to get the answer you deserve. Uh, but just go to the sources. Hopefully, if that’s us, uh, Jeff, uh, whoever is, you know, um, reference numbers you got, give him a call or email and ask the question and get a answer directly as opposed to,

[26:33] uh, uh, a second source. We’ll just say so, um, at that. Anybody else got anything else? Sorry, I. I’m sorry. I just wanted to know, um, because I get these questions as well about the, uh, the leachate systems where we’re at with the plan for that and the funding.

[26:52] Yeah. So we have not heard back from the state yet on any funding. And we’re currently under our leachate PFAS threshold to do a endure is beneath their threshold to Egle. And, uh, GW out their permit. So, um, it’s on our radar, but we are not in any hurry of taking on that. It’s that time. Yeah.

[27:19] Yeah, basically. Yep. And we’re gonna we’re monitoring it, though. Uh. Uh, Tim gets a report every month. And what’s our PFAS level at the landfill? Uh, along with our our boards and our PCBs and all of that. And so far, our knock on wood or PFAS, is underneath our permit limit.

[27:45] And we’re not, you know, incurring any additional expense with PFAS right now. Is that due to the recent, uh, media change out? Well. as no becomes. More used, would we expect those numbers to. So historically, that plant was not designed for Peter’s nothing. Right. And so the granular change out really focuses on PCBs and boards and phenolics. Those.

[28:11] Are the three major ones that it works. There. And as we’re seeing our PCB limits get a little bit higher and our bodies and our phenolics, that’s when we know it’s time for the granular change out. We don’t want to break through.

[28:29] So I, I do not believe that the new granular is helping at all on the PFAS. Based on the information that the studies we paid for in the testing bench, testing that we’ve done already with PFAS. Right. So it’s just purely right now. Yeah.

[28:48] You know, the stroke of luck that we’re underneath our piece of plastic, which as time goes on, I’m sure they’re going to go up. But, you know, if the Mirra was my witness at the state of Michigan, I told them, you’re going to help us one way or the other because we don’t have. Right, $25 million to build a new, uh, leachate system. So, um, and, you know, there’s a new one.

[29:07] You know, we’re talking about PFAS. Well, the new one is microplastics. So that’s the new PFAS that they’re going to start testing for and measuring for. So it’s maybe a good idea that the plant wasn’t just designed for PFAS. It’s the next whatever chemical or forever chemical coming, which is microplastics. And that reverse osmosis style.

[29:27] Does it all right. Does it all okay. So far. Right. It does it all. But that’s the thing. You know, you don’t want to spend $18 million and find out. Now you got something that doesn’t work on microplastics. So they’re going to be involved.

[29:44] And I know the mayor and I oh, another call up there and we need to get back up there and talk to them. But we did file our application timely for funding for a leachate plant. And I don’t know how the scoring is going. Uh, I need to check on that. And Jennifer was tetra tech filed that on our behalf.

[30:01] But they do a point system to see if you’re, uh, if the project is big enough and it affects enough people. We filed it first and foremost for the city of Riverview. But we said, wait a minute. Actually. Down river, it’s down river.

[30:14] So we’ve included everyone down the river now. So I don’t know how that point system is going to shake out for a review right now. But we did it. We we’ve, submitted the application a different way with the hopes that we’re going to score higher on that scale to get some financial help from the state.

[30:33] And they know where we’re at because we do have the state. We the state comes out. I know at least semi-annually, to touch the test of water. We they get all of our reports monthly, but they’ll actually come out and they ask us about where we’re at and they understand it, that it’s not it’s not a, you know, it’s not

[30:52] just a drop in a bucket that’s a lot of money to a little city like Riverview. Right? I guess that leads into my last question, I swear.

[31:09] Um, the, uh, that that is the bigger question on people’s mind is when you’re funding for a road bond and potentially infrastructure for this development project, where’s the city at with funding the closure funds? And people have asked, is there a way to get a regular report on where we’re at with funding the closure costs that comes out that’s calculated annually in the annual report? Uh, and gets that number from the engineers

[31:28] who does it based on airspace and what’s available, what we’ve covered, what we haven’t covered. Now, the other thing that’s interesting to me on that, let’s just assume that that million I know they throw different that numbers. They throw different amounts around because of course it’s a it’s an estimate. Let’s just say it’s 50 million for closure.

[31:48] Let’s just use 50 million. And we have 24, 23 or 20, whatever that number is. So we’re we have half, roughly half. Well where does the other half come from. Well yeah that’s the state’s going to help us. Uh, they’ve helped other communities and other counties with their post closure fund.

[32:03] But the neat thing is, is as you start closing, that number keeps shrinking. So you, as you close a cell or you close an area of the hill and get that, that soil on it, then that falls out of the accumulation.

[32:21] And I want to know is when you start, you know, you over here and you’ve got here as you start doing this, where is that point? How many years into that does that point equal of what you got left to close and what your fund balance is? And we’re putting in, you know, one 1 million to 2 million a year in soil in their operating budget that they’re taking out of

[32:40] revenue to spend to close different sections. And you kind of close with lighter and sort of you kind of close ten acres at a time. You just don’t say, hey, I got 215 acres. We’re just going to come in and put a big liner over it and put dirt on it. You can’t do that.

[32:55] So the the big thing is, you know, if you don’t have air space, you still have time to start working on closure. You don’t have to be closed after the last truck leaves. Mhm. So if I’m understanding correctly, just to clarify the post closure costs is a shifting target.

[33:14] So as you cap it that costs for investment after the fact would go down. Because you’re doing that prior to the closure. Right. So you’ll have a smaller air space over uh acreage to to cap. So it could be under that 50 million, you know, however, it’s 60 million, 50 million changes. Correct.

[33:36] Um, and we’re roughly, uh, half basketball for about half of that. Mhm. Okay. And the other half is that line of credit that you’ve approved every year that we have with PNC. Now that was going up quite frequently. Are we looking at another increase or anything. No. It had that big jump because of PFAS.

[33:52] I don’t think we’re going to have the microplastic jump at all. At least I haven’t seen that. Tim. Have you seen any of that yet? The workup from Jennifer yet for the post closure liability as she talked to you about that at all? No, I. Haven’t, but I’ve been meeting with her Thursday and I’ll.

[34:06] Ask her. Yeah. And Erica would be really knowledgeable on that as well because we have to get that for Ann and Plant Moran for the year end audit. Okay. So they record the liability in that account at every June. So we don’t get a monthly total of that.

[34:22] Councilman Webb, what happens is Egle, through all of their calculations throughout the state, they come up with something and then they feed it to us based on how many acres we have there. And that’s purely their way of estimating what your liability could be. Okay. Thank you.

[34:46] But another thing to point out also is we no longer get a million and a half to $3 million a year from the landfill. Correct. So that’s, you know, the motivation to do what we’re doing now. Um, so I think we’re, you know, I think this whole redevelopment is probably one of the best we can make.

[35:02] And one of the best things that ever happened to the city. And it’s really it really provides a long term financial stability. Uh, if we if we do this right. So that’s why you have to do a really good job of educating the community.

[35:16] What we’re doing is, um, that in the end, now I give away too much. But what came out in the interviews is if you if you spread the tax base, you know, then there’s a less likely chance that your taxes will have to go up.

[35:32] Because if now if we have two, 300, 400 more homes to spread that same cost of around, um, it makes it much more financial stability for, for the city. And I like the part of the last. We can never say taxes aren’t going to go down.

[35:47] We know that, you know, um, but if we can do our best to stop them from going, going up, then this is a way to do it. And they may even go up because we’re going to obviously have more roads, more people or everything, but it’ll be spread out amongst more.

[36:04] So even if they did go up, it would be like fraction of what it would have been without that new development. So I am super excited and really hope that goes through, because that could be one of the biggest game changers for council, who I mean, I speak for myself, but I think we all agree that we’re we’re struggling to make sure everyone keeps and maintains the wonderful services we have

[36:21] without hiking taxes every year. So I’m I’m really excited for this project to see how it goes forward. Great. One other thing there, if you let me, I like to add that, uh, with landfill, not making transfers back to city, those transfers are going to our first class.

[36:41] Our investment account that’s earning interest now. And I think that there’s over a few million dollars in that account already. Oh, sure. Just the royalties. Yeah, yeah. And so that’s all collecting interest.

[37:01] And it’s working for the landfill and it’s making, um, you know, I really don’t want to call it sundry, uh, interest, but it’s got a new revenue line on their financial statement, and, uh, it’s exponentially growing because the landfill is no longer transfer that million and a half to 3 million a year that it was making the fund. City services. That’s going right to the landfill account. So it’s on their balance sheet. And, uh. Oh, yes.

[37:23] Um, who has Wayne County said that they will, um, relinquish their tipping fees to help us out? Of course. Of course. The mayor is asked three times. Mary’s asked three times. He’s asked by letter three times, I think. Well. I mean.

[37:41] You know, citizens sent letters and called and asked them that would be that would be a fun campaign. Mhm. But he’s tried. I’ve tried every time I have meetings with the county executives or part of his department, I ask about that. Yeah. Yeah.

[37:58] We, yeah, we got that mayor’s letters, uh, you know and you know, they don’t give us an update of what they’re going to do about them or if they’re going to do about them. All right. So but they recognize and they’ve and they’ve confirmed that they’ve received them. So okay. Anybody else, anything else? Now’s the time for public comment, Mr.. Carmen. Oh. Uh, with that, uh, we’re adjourned.

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