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Let's get the show on the road. As they say. All
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right. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the City of
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This
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meeting is being held in person in accordance with Assembly Bill 361 due to the continuing
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state of emergency as a result of the threat of the COVID-19 virus.
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This meeting is currently being recorded and live streamed on the city's website and public
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comment is welcome in person and the council chambers through e-comment on the website
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or by joining the meeting virtually with prior arrangements with the city clerk's office.
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Thank you.
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If I could ask everyone to sing, this is doing this.
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I think she should do it.
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Yeah.
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Up granddad, there you go.
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We're ready when you are, okay?
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Thank you very much. That was wonderful.
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That was really good. I don't know what this is.
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I am going to invite the City Clerk to read, I'm to roll call please.
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Council Member Zuckerman?
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Yes.
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Council Member Zuckera?
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Yes.
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Council Member Schmidt?
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Here.
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Mayor Proto-Muff.
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Here.
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Mayor Zaronian.
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I'm here.
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All present.
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Thank you.
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Item number 4A through M is the consent calendar.
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Is there a motion?
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motion.
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I know the approval of the consent calendar.
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Second.
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Roll call, please.
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Councilmember Zuckerman.
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Yes.
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Councilmember Sugura.
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Aye.
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Councilmember Schmidt.
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Yes.
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Mayor Pro Tempuff.
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Yes.
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Mayor Zaronion.
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Yes.
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The motion carries.
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Thank you.
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Next is our ceremony item.
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So I am going to go over there.
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I see if you can stay there because I'm going to read for about an hour.
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So I don't want you to sit next to me.
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Well, 25 years of service, right?
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It's a little hard to kind of encapsulate in about 5, 10 minutes.
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But I'm going to do my best.
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I've served with Steve the most here.
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And I know a lot of his accomplishments.
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I know staff put down a bunch of them.
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And I'm going to try to go through them
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and still not do justice to any of them,
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because Steve's record probably will not be broken
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of his public service on this day and on this council.
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Some of us will come close but would definitely not beat him.
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That being said, he was an extremely important member of our council
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since November of 1997 when he was first elected, then, of course, reelected every time and
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for him to serve five terms and will leave office after 25 years.
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That will, of course, make him, as I said, the longest serving council member in the city's
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history.
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That is, trust me, that's a very long time.
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So Steve, thank you. We start with that. The next is something near and dear to your heart on the list and that is the Clean Power Alliance.
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I know how passionate you were in bringing Rolling Hills Estates to the 21st century and making sure that we actually strived for as close as we could get to 100%
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green energy for our residents and we did. I know that of course it's a choice of residents but
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as I understand it we're extremely close to that number so that's really tribute to you.
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Indeed, yes and thank you for that and that's really nice to have. We lead on a bunch of things
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in the City of Rolling Hills estates. I'm not bragging but it's true you can check our record
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but that also tribute to you. We lead as well. You've served over the years on
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number of boards, regional boards, whether it's a SCAG or COG or one of your
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favorites I think has been the vector control.
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And I always turn to Steve. How about
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Not the bugs, how are they doing?
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And Steve was very gracious in all ways, making sure that he provided a thorough report to the council about what was going on at vector control.
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Actually, I have a tree that has a vector control problem, I'll talk to you about it later.
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And certainly, Steve has always been a strong advocate of infrastructure.
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our streets is extremely important to him and the condition of the pavement to the
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detail of the actual numbers Steve always paid attention to that and we're grateful for
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that.
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We've had a number of large public works projects during your tenure Steve and the
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I came during your tenure as well, and I'm grateful for that, but guys, I still ride them.
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And it's really nice to have our streets a little friendlier to bicyclists as well.
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We've had storm drain rehabilitation projects over the years, and Cal Waters projects over
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Over the years, the reservoir project, over the years, and another thing that sticks to
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my mind is how passionate you were about saving our residents' money and restructuring
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our pension debt.
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I recall you were an advocate of attempting to find a way to actually reduce the cost to
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us.
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and I'm happy to say that we were able to borrow
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at a rate substantially lower than what the state was offering us
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and paying that debt early
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saving our constituents several hundred thousand dollars in the process.
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So thank you for that, Steve.
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Of course during, this is a long time again,
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but you oversaw the construction of the Norris Pavilion, that stands there.
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And certainly redevelopment of the Shopping Center, it has changed hands again thankfully.
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And we hope for the better to come.
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And I know you'll be watching it from a different seat, perhaps.
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But I know how you're interested you are in our commercial district.
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And I hope that we're going to do much better there as well.
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You've also seen a substantial improvement and change on the east side of the city.
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That's my side of the city, but right next to where I live,
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the Chandler Quarry changed completely.
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And we expanded our golf course as well as a club.
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and built 114 homes and a brand new clubhouse in the process and that has been great.
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And that's part and parcel, of course, of many other housing units that we've approved
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especially at the commercial district as well as these 114 homes.
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In my count, I think during your tenure, several hundred new residences came online in the city of Rolling Hills estates.
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So we're grateful for that as well.
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You've served on a bunch of committees, I know one of them that you liked very much, traffic and safety.
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You've enjoyed that very much, as I did, the times that I served on that traffic and safety committee.
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And, of course, you and I have worked quite a bit together on the Nature Center project
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that I am so excited that it's going to be ultimately coming online with some of our
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grant funding that we've received both from the state and from our Quimby funds and others
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that is going to become a reality very soon.
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You've oversaw a couple of general plan updates.
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The most recent one, of course, being last year.
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And to cap it all, you had the pleasure of writing
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with your grandchildren in the absolute magnificent
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perfect parade with its imperfections, as I call it,
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last week and you were our grand marshal there. Now as I
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I said I can go on for probably an hour or so, but I know nor Steve or the young and would
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not want me to do that. And I'm kind of going to stop here and present Steve number of
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gifts that we have. If you can join me here, Steve, the
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first one is a kind of a re-presentation
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of your grand marshal flag, so sorry about that, but here it is, this is your grand marshal
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flag, in appreciation, of course, your outstanding service to your hometown, Rowling Hills
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Estates.
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There you go.
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All right.
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Yeah, keep them coming.
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So this is another one that I'll let you open.
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I know what it is, but I want everyone to enjoy it for a second.
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I know you use a lot of it, so we figured we get you your own.
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Yeah, this is, this is why.
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There you go, that's it.
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There, that's it.
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All right, I think there's an inscription in the back there.
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I'm gonna take it off, you can see it's really nice.
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Very nice, yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go.
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Only the quality, and of course it has council member
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and your time here.
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Next, again, I know what it is,
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but I'll let you open it and show it to everybody.
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I can help you if you want. I can hold it for you.
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And the other side, the other side, or the highway. No, just kidding.
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Next is another one. Feel free to open it as well.
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I'm
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glad I didn't drive my little car.
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No.
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That's okay, we'll send a truck.
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So that's your life.
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Here at Rolling Hills Estate.
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This is...
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Yeah, it's special.
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Look at this person.
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You won't recognize him.
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Ah, you know.
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I won't go through page by page, but this is...
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Hey, that's your picture of it.
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Wow.
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Oh, you're on the walk, you're on the walk.
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Sorry, I wanted to mention that as well.
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So I'm going to put it back there, feel free to take all of it.
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So I am going to go back and I'm going to invite you to say a few words, and then I'll continue
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from there.
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Okay.
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Well, thank you everyone for coming, it really, really is nice and it's the holiday season
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and it really warms my heart.
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I'm not going to say a lot of words.
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I've been saying lots of words for 25 years, but Frank talked about a lot of the highlights
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of what the city has accomplished when I'm here.
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And of course, it takes all of us, all five council members, and it takes staff to do
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those things.
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But it isn't just the big things, it's the little things that I'm really most proud of.
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Because this council has always worked together with respect and
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comedy and a sense of purpose.
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And we've always wanted to be a good example for
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the people that we represent in the community.
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And we've done that.
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And I feel that that's more important the way we
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comport ourselves and the way we handle difficult issues and
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difficult problems on a day-to-day basis.
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and it's really been a pleasure and it's going to be bittersweet as I leave.
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But you can see two of the reasons here why it's time and now there's a third.
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The third reason is up north in San Francisco.
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And I just, I've always been good about attending meetings.
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And I don't want to start changing that.
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And I was thinking to myself today, I was talking to my son in law,
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who's home with our little six-month-old grandson.
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And I said, you know, it's great.
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25 years and I've never done anything bone-headed enough
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to where I feel uncomfortable thinking about it.
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And so maybe I should quit while I'm ahead.
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And so everyone, thank you so much.
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And one of the reasons I feel so good about this
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is person right here who's going to be before you very, very soon, Pam Schachter, who's going to be the new council person on our city council, and Pam has been involved in this city nearly every committee, every commission for so long she knows the city inside out, more importantly she knows the people and she represents what I feel our city is all about.
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And it just makes me feel so good to be able to leave and say, you know what, it's only going to be better.
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Thank you very much.
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Stay there, stay there, you're not done, so you may need that truck in a minute event.
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I'm going to call on several folks here who want to actually wish you well.
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I'll start with Representative of Assembly Member Almyr Suchi, Eric Ponce-Furlose, Eric.
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Good evening, everyone. My name is Eric Bonse. I am here on behalf of Assembly Member Almyr Suchi to present
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Council Member Sugerman with a resolution signed by both Assembly Member Almyr Suchi and Senator Ben.
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So, for your 25 years of service,
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I'd like you to take back to how my thanks, but more importantly, my appreciation, how has been more involved in
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been trying to let us maintain local control
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than any other of our representatives.
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And let him know that we all know that
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and we really are appreciative.
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Janice nor Eric Evelacek could be here today,
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but they did send a wonderful commendation for you.
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So it's my pleasure to present that to you.
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The County of Los Angeles, by the way,
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I told Janice the other day.
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I don't think there are any other entity
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that does such a great job with their scrolls as the county does.
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So this is on behalf of Janissan.
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I
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know that we have a couple of colleagues from what I call Rolling Hills Estates North,
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also known as Lomida, very right, and Cindy Sagoa are here, so if you can join Steve
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up there.
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I've only been there for a week, so Cindy has to tell me what's it used to, she had been
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home all day.
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So I actually, no Steve, going back further, working with the Cog, when I was a staff member,
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working for the city of Carson, and he was one of those guys who was always in there in
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the trenches.
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We're getting on the top stuff that people don't find exciting, but really matters.
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And yes, someone who just did a presentation that a glass glass has become payment management.
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I love anybody who loves payment.
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So we will miss you.
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We appreciate you as a member of a larger community and the fact that you are always looking
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at the big picture and that matters.
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And we wish welcome to your new member and we look forward to working with you as well.
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Thank you so much.
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Next is another colleague of ours from our neighboring city of Rancho Palas Verdes
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and also representing the South Bay Cog chair is John Crookshank.
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I don't know, okay, the microphone's good.
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So, do you want to call us Rolling Hills Estates to the South?
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I had never heard that phrase before, but I'm sure Barry has heard it from me many
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times. So Steve I'm actually representing two organizations and you know it's
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interesting because I'm now the chair and Britt was a huge advocate of mine and
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you know that all four cities on the peninsula always look after each other and
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and Brits kind of looked after me there.
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And I didn't realize that you actually were a board member
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for close to 23 years.
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That's impressive.
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So anyhow, on behalf of the South Bay City Council
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of government, we have the first certificate
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if you can grab that.
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So really, it's a great organization, the COG.
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And I think the reason that I wanted to get involved
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and others have convinced me to get involved
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was that, you know, we saw problems on a regional basis and one of the things when I first
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got on the council, I'm a rookie compared to Steve. I've only been on our council in
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Rancho Palace 30 since 2017 and we just saw Ken Dita from our city retire and he had
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one of our founders and he was involved with our city for 50 years and he also got a street
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named after him, but is died away or the highway.
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So I like the sense of humor, but anyhow, with the call, we very much appreciate that.
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And then the second certificate is from the City of Rancho Palas Verdes.
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And once again, all four cities on the peninsula really try to work together.
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And let me as a partner as well, because the things that happen here, of course, affect all of us.
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And when I was mayor a couple of years ago, both Velvet and I were kind of the face of the pandemic.
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And that was a tough year for all of us, but I found that all four cities work together.
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And Steve, you're one of those people that really helped us keep us together during that time.
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So I personally appreciate the work you've done.
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You're kind of a mentor to me.
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And I know in our city we really appreciate everything you've done for Rolling Hills Estates.
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So thank you for everything.
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And I just want to say that means so much because John is the epitome of sincerity.
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He really is.
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And I'm so grateful for those kind words.
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Thank you, John.
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Next is the our colleague from PV Library District, Trustee Rosa Kwan-Esten, and Rosa.
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Good to see you.
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On behalf of the Palisperty's Library District, I just want to thank you.
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We all want to thank you for your 25 years of service.
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And I'm a proud resident of Rolling Hills State, so I'm honored to be here to present.
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Also, Steve and I know each other in another capacity.
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I don't know if Steve, if you remember me as a press friend's director or
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board member and it press friends is a wonderful organization another one of
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the many that Steve has served in and it's a student to student sort of
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mentorship program students here mentoring students in underserved areas
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to help publish newspapers and and they branched out into dance and music and
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students helping students and I know that's really important to you so we
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We thank you from the library, and I hate to say this, but we are a little older than
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the City of Rolling Hills State by about 30 years, but I love that you have supported our
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main library and all of our libraries, and we thank you for all of your years of service.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you very much.
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I see our colleague from the school board, Matthew Brock here, so I'm
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going to hand this to you. I know what it is, but you can open it.
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On behalf of President Reed and the rest of the school board, I want to thank you for everything you have done for the students and for our community. You have been a very strong partner and a very vocal advocate for our schools, and it's been greatly appreciated.
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I'm so thankful for everything that you have done and I wish I could have voted for you but I live in RPB, but I know that RAT, they were lucky to have you and I know that you are now leaving but you I guess can never really leave can you after 25 years you have left a legacy that will be remembered
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everything that you have done will benefit somebody in the generations to come and we are all very thankful for that.
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Well, another entity that Steve likes to serve on, and that is the PV Transit, right,
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so I know Martin is here, so Martin Gombard, please,
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you get your own bus.
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Thank you, Martin.
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Good evening.
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My name is Martin Gombard.
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I'm the administrator of the Palace of Riddies Peninsula Transit Authority.
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I've worked with the agency for almost 26 years and I want to say pretty close to when
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I started Steve first served on the board he's probably one of our longer serving board
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members.
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Steve's been just a great person to work with and I realize that he's gotten some great gifts
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and plenty of plaques and certificates but we're the only person that's going to give him
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a bus.
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So, in honor of Steve's great service.
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This is my grandson who liked this.
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A number of folks who want it to be here, but cannot be here.
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Steve, I'll just read their names and of course Ted Bardekie,
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Eileen Hoppe and Lieutenant Michael White of the Sheriff's Department.
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and send their regrets, but they're not going to be here.
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But Chief is here, LA County Fire.
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So you're adjourned, Brian.
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Thank
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you a lot.
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I'm here.
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I'll be half of our equal parts.
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You've had the world here myself.
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Thank you, Andrew.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank
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you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much, Ryan. Steve,
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we also received certificates from
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Congressman Ted Lu, the cities of Palas Verde's estates and rolling hills as well.
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I understand that Ted Dackey from Clean Power Alliance is on Zoom, if you want to.
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Okay, very good. So let's get him back.
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Mr. Pardackey, you are on.
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All right, here you are Ted. Welcome.
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Apologies if you can hear us one moment.
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Well, will you adjust our volume?
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OK.
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We can hear you now.
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OK, great.
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Thanks for allowing me to say a few words remotely this evening.
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So I'm going to say some nice things about Steve.
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But first I want to say some nice things about Rolling Hills
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Estates.
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You all have been blessed and blessed
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us in Los Angeles County was sending some amazing leaders from York Council to us.
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Before I worked with Steve, I worked with Judy Mitchell, a QMD in CARB, and this is an incredible
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tradition that I hope that rolling those estates is able to continue to send us great leaders across the
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county. And I'll say that Steve, one of the things that you were able to do right at the beginning of
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clean power lines was, you know, this was the first city to approve the joint powers agreement
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with Los Angeles County, big Los Angeles County. And in that joint powers agreement, there's
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like an equal power sharing among each member. And the fact that you were able to bring a JPA
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where the only two members at the time were Rowling Hill to States and Los Angeles County with an
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real testament to your, you know, you and the city's fortitude to, you know, realize this vision. And so, you know, just a big thanks. First of all to the city for lending us Steve for so long and for all the leadership that you've done across the region.
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Now the other thing that I want to just sort of note for everyone listening here is that, you know, not only to Steve have this incredible attendance record, but he also holds the record of speaking at every meeting with something interesting to say.
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And it's not always been about the environment,
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which is what a lot of the customers
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and the residents and the leadership that we bring,
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but Steve has delved into finances.
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He's delved into staffing.
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He's even given us recommendations on furniture
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for our new office.
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And so thoroughly invested in the organization.
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And very, very, very supportive of staff, and I work with a lot of leaders across elected officials across the region.
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And the ones who always seem to be most effective in leadership have this wonderful relationship with their staff.
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And I've noticed that in your interaction with the staff and rolling hills of states that comes through and you brought that trust and little bit of pushiness and sort of wonderful demeanor to our organization and it's a really great example that I think other board members saw and appreciated.
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So thank you for that. I don't have a certificate because I understand you might not be leaving us and may serve in other capacities, maybe as an alternate board member.
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So we'll do the certificate when you really depart and so with that, thank you very much Steve for everything you've done for our organization.
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Well, next I called on a bunch of people, but is there anyone in the audience who wishes
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to say wishes to say anything before I go to my colleagues
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going once, twice and
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three times?
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Okay.
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Then I'll turn to my colleagues and we can start from Council Member Stegra, our newest
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member. Soon to be nothing new. I'm sure you're looking forward to that one.
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I don't have a professional voice. I have the last world law school voice, so I hope
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you can hear me. Steve, I've already expressed to you individually, one-on-one, what you've
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meant to my development as a council member. We were friends before I was on council.
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I've
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polite, solicitous, gracious, no matter what I was saying, how stupid it was or whatever
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you've always found some nugget in there that you can run with.
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I don't want to repeat what other people have already said.
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I agree with everybody what they've said.
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I will say a couple of things that stand out in my mind.
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You, Frank mentioned the general plan.
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I will never forget the session that we had on the patio there during COVID, where we had
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all the consultants together and we were revising the general plan again and there were
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reams and reams of Excel spreadsheets, my numbing numbers and you found an arithmetic error.
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I will never forget that. I've told that story to a number of people and that goes along
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with what Ted was saying about how you dig down and you do read everything. You do all your
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homework and it's just so impressive. I've learned so much from you. The other thing, I can't
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share credit for everything that you've accomplished in your 25 years because, first of all, I'm not that old, but second of all, I've only been on council for two years, but I do share your passion for clean energy and for the Clean Power Alliance.
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And I also will never forget the time where we had a vote on moving the default clean energy rate to 100% for commercial customers in rolling those estates.
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And you gave the most impassioned, articulate, no notes, treat us on how we ended up where we are with climate change
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and how important it was for us to urge everybody to do their part.
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And I dare say that's swayed the vote that night.
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So thank you for everything you've done for our city, for me, for the development of our council,
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appreciation that you have for staff as you acknowledge we can't do this
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without staff and I will see you around.
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Thank you so much for your service for
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giving to our community of your heart and soul and I don't say that just to
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say it you truly do. I have always appreciated the way in which you conduct
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yourself, your ability to be fiercely advocating for something and actually actively listening
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and in a moment, taking a step back and saying, hold on, I never thought of it that way.
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Give me a moment.
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And really, thinking through, we could think this differently.
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The grace with which you change your mind and the inclusivity of a discussion where you make
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me feel heard where you have inquiry that is really from a place of curiosity and you've
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made us an expansive thinking city and we have been on the forefront of so many things
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because of the way that you create space for us to have open dialogue.
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The fact that we can disagree vehemently in such polite manners and by being incredible
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professionals is you've always raised the way that we conduct ourselves. You are part
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of why our reputation is impeccable. It is such a privilege and an honor to go anywhere
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and say that you are my colleague, that we are on this council. And I'm so grateful that
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I started learning from you when I started volunteering with the city. You have always
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been so gracious with your time. And I love that you have challenged some of the things
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that I thought and made me change my mind in a way that felt so wonderful and
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celebratory. Just having those discussions I've learned so much from you. I also
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appreciate and I want you to know how fiercely your father loves you. He is so
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open with what you mean to him and the way that you have come into his life and
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what you've done and Joan he's always so gracious about the kind of partner
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that you have been the way that you have supported what he believes in but also
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have made him a better person and that kind of grace and really your children
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have changed his life. He is so proud. I mean the Disneyland pictures and he's
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beaming. I'm just like he's so like we went on the and the way he's passionately
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sharing that you have really enriched his life in such a way that we are
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beneficiaries of it. I feel like I know you in a very like so like you don't even know who I am
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and I know so many things about you and it's so wonderful because he imparts that and I just
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thank you for making all of us better and helping us rise at these two decades plus we've really
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been the recipients of all of your gifts and we every citizen in our community should be very grateful
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for what you have given us.
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Thank you.
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Well, thank you.
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First of all to my colleagues for all
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of your wonderful sentiment, which I second those emotions.
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But I also want to add that you are going
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to be greatly missed your expertise on just about every subject.
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It has been so valuable to all of us over the years.
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So we appreciate it.
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I appreciate that appreciate your passion and commitment to the city and do so many causes. And I would say on a personal note, I as a the first new council person elected like in 12 years back in 2013, I really appreciated you, your mentorship and your example of.
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what it meant to be a good public servant and especially your humility, your willingness to
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let others take credit for a lot of the things that you did and you were always so gracious.
[45:46]
So you've been a wonderful example and thank you, you're going to be greatly missed but hopefully
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we'll see you all the time.
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Thank you.
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Greg?
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Well, I've had the privilege of working with Steve for most of the 25 years that he served
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on the City Council.
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And Steve, I have just so many wonderful memories of the time we spent together, the both
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personal and the professional conversations that we've had over the years, have always
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appreciated your candor, your honesty and your fantastic questions.
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You've always made us think a little bit more than we might have otherwise answered issues,
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And I think you've made all of us at the staff level certainly a better and you certainly made me a better person and a better city manager because of you
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And it will always be grateful for that. So thank you
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Is this your attorney?
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So many wonderful comments that I've seen people who clearly know you you know very well and just sort of building on what Greg said to add to your lexicon of adjectives is expanding on the theme of inquisitiveness
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because I have truly appreciated that.
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I know when I prepare reports or things,
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I put my own level analysis in it.
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But for rolling hills of states, when I'm done,
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then I go back and say, all right,
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what's council member Zuckerman going to raise here?
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So I have to shift it into another gear
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and go through it.
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And as Greg said, you know, that makes me a better person.
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That makes this a better city.
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It makes the process better.
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And if I've missed something and I do an occasion and you'll catch things, the way you do it
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and the way you, you know, raise things are very unique, Steve, that it's not condescending,
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it's to build up to ask questions to look at it from different angles.
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It's a wonderful trait that I hope, you know, all public officials can learn from that and
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again, made my job better and, you know, what we've all created together.
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So again, thank you for your wonderful service and I look forward to seeing you in the City of Trees. Sometimes, too.
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Thank you.
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All right. Well, Steve, I said most of the things that I said, but as
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serving mayor for another three minutes,
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I am grateful on behalf of a very grateful city.
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I speak for all of our residents in thanking you for your outstanding service for the community
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And on behalf of all of our staff as well and I think that just to add one thing that you mentioned
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That is I think critical in the example that we set whether it's locally, regionally or statewide and we have served at all levels
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as you know, with you, our colleagues on this Council and prior Councils.
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And that is about the organization that you mentioned.
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I'm writing a syllabus now for a course called Organizational Behavior and Leadership.
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And I think the one of the most critical part of that course is going to be culture.
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And I think you touched on that.
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I don't think anybody can mention how many things we
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disagreed on, and God knows we have disagreed, and the reason why they can't mention it is
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because of how we came to agree, how respectful we were in our disagreement.
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And that's critical.
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I think I wish that to all organizations because the importance of acting that way, never
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showing one of us as perhaps less than the other and I'm fortunately we've
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witnessed that in a lot of different places, political backstabbing and showing
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the other no one. I challenge anyone to show us any time that our disagreement
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and became a major issue on this day is.
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It never has.
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And that's testament to you and to rest of my colleagues
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and those who came before us.
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They're not here, but speaking for the ones you served,
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I'd like to mention their names as well.
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Susie Siemens served with you.
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John Adelman served with you and Judy Mitchell served with you.
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All of those individuals, I know I speak for them,
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are grateful for what you brought to this culture.
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And I hope that after I am also gone from this council,
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that culture remains and that everyone remains an example
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to the rest of the world as you have been.
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So thank you.
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Thank you, Brian.
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And that's very meaningful because really,
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I think our main function here is to make
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each other better better public servants and better people thank you so much great wonderful
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so I know everybody is looking forward to cake in a minute so we have one more thing to do
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and Steve feel free to sit down and I'm going to call on our city clerk for our newest council
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member, our newest colleague, to be sworn in along with our Mayor Pro Tem, who won
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reelection. So if you guys, if you ladies can join our city clerk.
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of the United States and the Constitution of the United
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States and the Constitution of the
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So I take this obligation for you without any mental reservation or reservation or purpose
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for you.
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And then I will well and faithfully in the value of you know, and you can fully get charged
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if you need the time of time about this.
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Of course, for duties of the Jewish child who walks through you.
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Congratulations.
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That was it.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank
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you very much, and at this time as Mayor Pro Tem, I would like to invite Mayor
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Zerunian down here again to the podium.
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This is a total surprise.
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So this evening we would like to recognize Mayor Frank Zerunian for his
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leadership this past year during his tenure as mayor the city has had many
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accomplishments and I'm just going to name just a few. I see everyone looking
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longingly at the cake so the completion of the design plans for a new nature
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Center and the allocation of 1.2 million state grant for the project, thanks to the support
[54:38]
of Senator Ben Allen. These are all things that happened under your tutelage.
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Partnership with our neighboring cities for a peninsula-wide wildfire detection camera
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system through a 1.5 million state grant thanks to the support of Assemblyman Al Mura-Suchi.
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Thank you Al. Completion of the 2040 General Plan update including a new sustainability element.
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Near completion of the build-out of the Rolling Hills Country Club project of 114 homes.
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Adoption of a diversity, equity, and inclusion policy statement.
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Adoption of a community benefit density ordinance.
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Adoption of several municipal code amendments related to signs, firework, stormwater, urban
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lots, splits, and development agreements.
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completion of turf replacement landscaping projects at our city hall and a portion of
[55:46]
high ridge to reduce water use. These projects were done at no cost of the city thanks to a
[55:53]
reimbursable grant from Cal water. Approval of renewal agreement with Peter Weber Equestrian
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and center for operation of our stables.
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Awarded a contract for street resurfacing project
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in the Dappell Gray neighborhood and on Silver Spur Road
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in the commercial district in partnership
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with the city of our PV.
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Installation of emergency water cash for horses.
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And we conducted annual public safety community events
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such as National Night Out in August and Prepared Peninsula Expo in October, and we've
[56:38]
created a Peppertree Foundation Fundraising Committee, and we resurface the tennis courts
[56:46]
at Ernie Hallett Park with the addition of four new Pickleball court overlays,unditing
[56:53]
part with Peppertree Foundation funds. And we held annual community events. Mayors
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breakfast ride, hills are a library, city celebration, Tracy Austin tennis tournament, which
[57:09]
had a record participation in our recent holiday parade of lights. So you can imagine he did not
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get much rest during this last year. So on behalf of the city and my fellow council members,
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I'd like to provide you with a few special mementos to commemorate your term as mayor
[57:34]
and to thank you for your service and dedication. So here's the first and I think we will let
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him open this. You can set it here.
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Paper looks good. Yeah.
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Oh,
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it's in the back.
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This is an R-H-E.
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COVID, uh, COVID appropriate.
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I get my own mask.
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I'm worried on the airplane next to me.
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This is an R-H-E mask for being mayor through our third year of the pandemic.
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And there it says, Frank Sarunian Mayor.
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That's wonderful.
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So then the next.
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Thank you.
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And
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this is a framed photo taken at the Armenian Genocide Public Art
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Dedication Ceremony, which took place last month here at City Hall.
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I know many of you attended that wonderful event.
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And we should get a photo of that.
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Hold that up.
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Thank
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you.
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That's wonderful.
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And one more thing.
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It'll be in my USC office for call to see.
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And this final one is an updated gavel plaque,
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including all four terms that Mayor's Arunyan has served as our mayor.
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And we'll get a photo of that also.
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and later we'll get all the council people.
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So from staff and council, we appreciate very much the year
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that you have spent serving us.
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And I would like to introduce some other dignitaries
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to come to the podium who have presentations.
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First of all, we have Eric Ponce furloughs again.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you. Please, thank you.
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And then we have from Lomita, Mary Mayer,
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Barry White and Cindy Segawa.
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So Frank, on behalf of the City of LaMita, we thank you for your leadership.
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You have been a good friend to the larger community, as well as being a fellow USC Price
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faculty member, so we're fighting on, but we appreciate you very much.
[1:01:08]
You worked hard, you know, and it's, I don't know, maybe it's something in the air in Rolling
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Hills estates, that we've had so many council members here who have worked so hard on
[1:01:18]
so many things. So anyway we appreciate very much Frank and you're a good friend.
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Thank you. Are you going to sing?
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I need the other few members of my quartet.
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At
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the state of our city he did a solo. Yeah Cindy thank you.
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And then we have John
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Councilmember John Crookshank from Rancho Palace Verde's.
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I'm on I'm here on behalf
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And then from the P.B. Library District, we have Trustee Rose Aquan-Eston.
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Yeah, from the Palace Board's Library District.
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Again, thank you for your year and many years of service as mayor.
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We benefit as a community for all the work that you and the council members have done over the years. Thank you so much.
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Fight on.
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It's a call.
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And then we would like to invite up Assistant Chief Brian Bennett from the LA County Fire Department.
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Thank you Mayor thank you like I said for thank you on behalf of the entire fire department
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for your service and especially for your support of us and for their stand-up council for the working in the future
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so another early county school yeah thank you thank you we
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also receive certificates
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It's from Janis Hahn, Senator Ben Allen, Congressman Ted Lou in the cities of PBS states,
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and Rowling Hills.
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And I would like to present on behalf of Janis Hahn, our supervisor, this beautiful certificate
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of appreciation for your mayor, Dumb.
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And at this time, I would allow, oh, yes, Matthew, I'm so sorry, from the school district.
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Thank you, Matthew.
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So on behalf of the U.S.D., how it's turned us in one read, I want to walk you to the big 10.
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Oh, thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for your leadership. This last year was, my guess, more difficult than most, but thank you, and we all thank you.
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From the half of the district, thank you, sir.
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Thank you. Thank you, ma'am.
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Is there anyone else who has a certificate or something to say?
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Okay, so I now will invite our mayor to make a few, few outgoing remarks.
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Well, I won't take long, but I joined Steve in saying that in our tradition, being mayor
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has been nothing but a ceremonial function.
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It's nothing more than being one of five and the fact that you've heard all of those
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accomplishments, none of them are mine.
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They are five people that takes in order to govern and they are definitely all of their
[1:05:55]
credits for what was accomplished in a relatively difficult year.
[1:06:01]
As most of us experienced through the pandemic, we started with meetings online and started
[1:06:11]
getting back together, etc.
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But regardless, the resilience of this council as well as our staff is absolutely amazing.
[1:06:25]
And I presume one of the reasons why I've always said this is where I want to serve, this
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is where I want to be, and I've resisted any temptation to run for any other office
[1:06:39]
because real governance happens here with some amazing people.
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So thank you for all those that you have read, but none of them are mine.
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And grateful to all of my colleagues who have steadfast, supported, of course, everything
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that we've done together.
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Thank you, Steve, again, and the rest of my colleagues who remain on the council.
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But it's really an important function, yet all of us together is the most important ingredient
[1:07:17]
of what we do.
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So thank you again, Mayor Prattam Huff, and thank you all for coming.
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I thank everyone who brought scrolls and everyone who are here to wish all of us well.
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I know the cake is waiting, so I'm not going to say anything more.
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Don't worry, we're getting there.
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And thank you again, so I'll go back there and we'll finish our items and then we'll have
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cake.
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All
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right, it is customary for us to, of course, transition to a new mayor and a new mayor
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pro tem and we have done this very collegially all the time and mayor pro tem half has served
[1:08:14]
as mayor pro tem this last year and I therefore nominate mayor pro tem half to be our next
[1:08:24]
mayor and I would like to do that by acclimation, if you don't mind, which means we don't even
[1:08:31]
have to vote for it. So mayor Huff, let me be the first one to congratulate you on the beginning
[1:08:37]
of your mayorship, ma'am. Thank you very much.
[1:08:46]
Well and as my first order of business, I would like
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to nominate the position for some the position of Mayor Pro Tem and I would like to nominate
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our Councilwoman Fellowsch Met. And if there are no objections I would like to declare
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of that by acclimation also. Congratulations.
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All right. Cake time.
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Before we have cake, I really planned just been 45 minutes
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telling my future plans and goals
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and I see the disappointment on the faces.
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So I will forego that other than to say
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I do want to thank all of the residents of our city for allowing me the privilege of serving on the council and being re-elected and I would like to thank the council for supporting me in this position and also for the years that we've made it together through the pandemic and I feel that we have learned a lot.
[1:10:02]
But I think we have just learned the gratitude and more patience and some of those really
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good qualities that are hard to develop and it was a necessity.
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So thank you all very much and with that I will say let's eat cake.
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All right.
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So we are temporarily adjourned.
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Thank you
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for rejoining us, we will begin again after our reception for our transition and council members, and we will go to item 8 on the agenda, public comment, and I would like to invite Martin Gumberg from PV Transit to speak about the upcoming New Year's Eve bus service.
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Yes.
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Aaron Counsel.
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Oh, there's better.
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Yeah.
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My name is Martin Gombard.
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I'm the administrative administrator of the Palace Fridis Peninsula Transit Authority.
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And tonight, I would like to make a brief comment about our free New Year's Eve service that
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we'll be operating from 6 p.m. to 1.30 a.m. on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day.
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We will be operating free dial-ride service throughout the three cities of the peninsula.
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We've done this for over 20 years and it's a great way to get people out of their cars
[1:36:27]
and onto our buses. Folks can make reservations by calling in that evening and we will also start
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taking reservations as early as December 20th and information on the services going to be on
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our website tomorrow at PV Transit dot com. So we look forward to everybody being on our buses on
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New Year's Eve and again the last call is 130 so thank you so much. Thank you Martin for your
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service and which is certainly very valuable to us all on the Hill, thank you.
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Madam Clerk, do we have any other public comments?
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Not at this time, thank you.
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All right, and we have no public hearings, so we'll move on to item 10, new business.
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And that is a report from Jessica Slauson, our management analyst on equine emergency
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you sheltering agreement. Thank you. Thank you Madam Mayor and members of the City Council.
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The MOU agreement before you this evening is an equine emergency sheltering agreement between
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the city and the county of Los Angeles. The county department of animal care and control
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partners with the city for ongoing emergency preparedness planning in which equine and large
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animal emergency sheltering has been discussed as a need for the South Bay region. Ernie
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Anyhow at park was identified as a suitable temporary emergency sheltering location due to the large equestrian writing arenas and the open parking area.
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The MOU has been reviewed by the city attorney.
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In addition, the agreement was presented to the equestrian committee and the parks and activity commission and received support of the partnership and advance planning.
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With that, the park and activities commission and staff have recommended that the city council enter into the MOU agreement for the equine emergency sheltering agreement.
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Thank you and I'm available for any questions you may have.
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Thank you. Does anyone on council have any questions or comments?
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I don't have a question but I have a comment.
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Thank you for this. This is great.
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We've done this, by the way, in the past,
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especially when La Cunata Flintridge in that area
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was having a number of issues with landslides,
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as well as fire.
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here, and we offered our Ernie Hallett Park as an evacuation site.
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Ultimately, I don't think it was needed, but certainly we offered, and this is wonderful.
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We're in a question city, and this is the kind of, I think, offer that we should be making.
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So thanks for putting this into a document and a writing.
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Thank you.
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Questions?
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Yeah.
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Thank you for the report. I have some questions about the contract itself. Maybe the city attorney knows.
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I second council members or onions condense about how necessary it is and how proud we should be to be able to provide the service for the county.
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My question is about the contract. Are these. Does this contract replace one that's already in existence?
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The contract defines from our standpoint a person who works with the county as a quote
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unquote manager.
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The city coordinators, somebody from our city is not defined, who is that person going
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to be?
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Do you know Jessica?
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I apologize, Council Member Sura.
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It is identified as far as city staff, it would be superintendent Mike Goldsmith.
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Okay, that makes sense.
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Oh, I apologize.
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He is listed in the MOU on page seven as the facility coordinator.
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Okay.
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Okay, it's just a different nomenclature.
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Okay, I assumed it was Mike, but it wasn't defined in a term in the contract.
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And then I noticed in the minutes of the Parks and Activities Commission meeting where they discussed this that we approved and the consent calendar that Commissioner Persequino said that Ernie help with Park is hard to get horses into and hard to get horses out of but there was no response during that meeting to it to that comment.
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What is your take on whether it's the easiest or hardest place to get horses in and out of because it doesn't make sense to make that.
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at the designated spot, if at least one person thinks it's hard?
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Right, no, I apologize.
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It was responded to and discussed.
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So, Superintendent Goldsmith was kind of conferred on this.
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We had a couple of the coordinators from Department of Animal
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Care and Control actually do two site visits
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to determine egress and ingress of the park.
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It's true that it is a long stretch to get in.
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But it's doable, especially considering the park, you know, equestrian arenas are used daily.
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With trailers being pulled in and out, we've had horse shows at Ernie Hall at Park.
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So with that information, the Department of Animal Care and Control felt comfortable with the facility.
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And Superintendent Goldsmith felt the same.
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Thank you.
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Any
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other questions or comments?
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Otherwise, I will entertain a motion.
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Move approval.
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Second.
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Do we have a roll call?
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Council Member Schecter.
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Yes.
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Council Member Zarinian.
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Yes.
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Council Member Stigora.
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Aye.
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Mayor Pro Tem Schmidt.
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Yes.
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And Mayor Huff.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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The motion carries.
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Congrats on your first vote.
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Thank you.
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We will move on to item 10B, new business planning application number
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We're 22-0504 and we have a report from our community development director, Jean McNaughton.
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Thank you.
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Good evening, Honorable Mayor, Mayor Potem, members of the City Council.
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The item before you tonight is a request to determine that an unlisted use is similar
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to and not more objectionable than use is already listed in section 17.04.030 of the Rolling
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Hills State's municipal code. Before I get into a summary of the proposal tonight, I'd
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like to make note for both the City Council as well as the public that there were some
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typographical errors on the attached resolution. The title of the resolution should be resolution
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number 2537, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Rolling Hills the States. So I
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I apologize for those top graphical errors, those were my error, but we will have the resolution all corrected before signature of the mayor and city clerk.
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So staff has received a business license application for in Kindle, an art gallery combined with the tattoo studio at 712 deep valley drive.
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One service uses such as tattoo and body piercing studios are unlisted as permitted uses in the commercial general mixed use overlay district.
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The Rolling Hills of States Municipal Code requires that the City Council determine by written decision that such uses are similar to and not more objectionable than the service uses already listed.
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The proposed business will function in a very similar manner to other personal service uses such as barber shops and
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beauty parlors which are both permitted uses in the CG MU district and that the services will be provided on an
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appointment only basis where personal services will be provided to a client on a one-on-one basis.
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And the operation will have additional oversight by a county agency.
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And like the highly regulated barbering and cosmetology service sector, the applicant is currently working with the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health to meet all the permitting guidelines, including obtaining clearance for the facility itself, but must first obtain city approval for the business license before moving forward.
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And in addition to all of that, staff does intend to conduct a comprehensive update of Title 17 of the Rolling Hills Estates municipal code beginning in early 2023 to implement the recently adopted 2022 general plan update. And during that time, the list of permitted uses in the Rolling Hills Estates chapter 17.30 will be proposed for updates to reflect more contemporary list of allowable uses. However, in the meantime,
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The municipal code does require that the City Council by written decision, determine that service use is not listed or similar to and not more objectionable than the use is already listed.
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And therefore, staff recommends that the City Council receive the staff memo, discuss the issues and adopt resolution number 2537,
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a resolution of the City Council of the City of Rolling Hills Estates, determining that tattoo and body piercing studio use is similar to and not more objectionable,
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than service uses already listed in section 17.30.0.020 of the Rolling Hills Estates Municipal Code.
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And that concludes, oh, excuse me, and finding that such determined determination to be exempt on the California Environmental Quality Act.
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And with that, that does conclude my presentation and staff is available to answer any questions.
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I'd also like to point out that the applicant on Estatia's cavort sova is here with us tonight
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in the chambers.
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Should the council have any particular questions regarding her business?
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Do we have any questions or comments from council?
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Yes.
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I move approval of this after recommendation and the resolution as amended.
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I'll second it.
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Could we have row call, please?
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Yes, Council Member Schecter.
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Yes.
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Council Member Zerunian.
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Yes.
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Council Member Stugora.
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Aye.
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Mayor Prolim Schmidt.
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Yes.
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Mayor Huff.
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Yes.
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The motion carries to adopt resolution number 2537, a resolution of the City Council, the City
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of Rolling Hills of States, determining that tattoo and body piercing studio use is similar
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to and not object more objectionable than service use already listed in section 17.3.0.0.2.0
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of the rowing of the State's municipal code, and finding such determination to be exempt under the California Environmental Quality Act.
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Thank you very much.
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Let us move on to item 10C, California's specified grant funds authorizing resolution for
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Nature Center project application.
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I believe we have a report from Rosa Pineduelas, our community services supervisor.
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Thank you.
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Good evening, Mayor and Council members.
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First, before you tonight as a resolution to approve the filing of application documents for
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specified grant funds being awarded to the city from the California Department of Parks and Recreation.
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The city was awarded a grant of $1.2 million to support the construction of the new nature center at Georgia Canyon.
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This was made possible by Senator Ben Allen who requested the funds through Governor Newsom's signed budget act of 2022 AB 179.
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The next step in securing the awarded funds is to approve and submit the attached authorizing resolution.
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Submitting the resolution now allows staff to work to get the contract executed and
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encumbered, allowing us to submit for reimbursement as we proceed with the project.
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Staff recommends that the City Council adopt resolution number 2536,
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to approve all application documents for the California Department of Parks and
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creation office of grants and local services specified grant programs for the Georgia Canyon Nature Center project in the amount of $1.2 million and authorize staff to submit the application forms accordingly.
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I'm available to answer any questions.
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Should you have any?
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Thank you.
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Thank you for that report.
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Do we have any questions or comments?
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just want to thank again Senator Allen for helping us procure this grant and appreciate everybody here who helped them do that and provide information and also the streamlining of the project itself run by Councilmember Zuckerman and former Councilmember, former Councilmember Zuckerman and Councilmembers and Renyan.
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Thank you.
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I will entertain in motion.
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We have approval of resolution 2536.
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We have a motion in a second.
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Could we have the roll call, please?
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Yes, Council Member Shepter.
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Yes.
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Council Member Zaronian.
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Yes.
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Council Member Siggara.
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Aye.
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Mayor Pro Temp Schmidt.
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Yes.
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And Mayor Huff.
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Yes.
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The motion carries to adopt resolution number 2536, a resolution of the City Council of the City
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of rolling those estates, approving all applications for specified grant funds in the Budget Act of 2022.
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Item 3790-101-001 is amended by AB 179, section 19.56, item number B 13a, an amount of $1.2 million to the City of
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rolling those estates, Nights to Center, for construction costs of the Nights to Center.
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Thank you.
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We'll move on to item 10D, new business planning application, 220499, discussion item
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regarding the amendment and restatement of chapter 17.56 of the Rolling Hills Estates
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Municipal Code pertaining to accessory dwelling units and we have a report from our community
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development director Jean Norton.
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Thank you, good evening, and honorable mayor, mayor for ten members of the City Council.
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The item before you tonight is an informational item regarding the amendments to the municipal code,
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regard pertaining to accessory dwelling units.
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Accessory dwelling units have been permitted in California jurisdictions since early 1980s.
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Legislative actions in 2016 and 17 made significant changes to the regulations, regulation of ADUs,
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which included the creation of junior accessory dwelling units,
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removing most of the discretionary power of local jurisdictions by making approval of an ADU,
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a ministerial action, assuming it met the underlying zoning district development standards.
[1:51:26]
However, there were components missing from these laws that allowed
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a local jurisdiction to create requirements that were in the legislator's opinion,
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in excessive or burdensome so as to unreasonably restrict the ability of homeowners to create
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ADUs and JADUs. So in the 2019 and 2020 legislative session there were significant changes
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that sought to address the deficiencies in the 16 and 17 legislation. These included
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the bypassing of the requirements for ADUs or JADUs to meet underlying development standards
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which in effect applied a one-size-fits-all approach to certain types of ADUs.
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It required that it require the jurisdiction's approved ADUs through ministerial action,
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reduce timeliness for processing timelines for processing and approving applications,
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prohibited impact fees on units less than 750 square feet,
[1:52:23]
and reduced or removed the ability for jurisdiction to require parking for new units.
[1:52:30]
Given the major changes in the 1920s session, cleanup legislation was widely anticipated for
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the 21 and 22 session to clarify vague provisions that have led to varying local interpretations
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resulting in inconsistent implementation.
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The two main takeaways from Senate Bill 897 and Assembly Bill 2221 are that they clarified
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applied procedural matters to meet the intent of past legislation and expanded the relaxed
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development standard provisions in certain circumstances related to height and location.
[1:53:09]
The new laws defined permitting agency in the 19-20 legislation timelines for agencies
[1:53:17]
to act on an application were reduced to 60 days and in practice the permitting agency means
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the local agency that receives the application, making that agency responsible to issue the permit
[1:53:29]
within the specified timeline. However, ADU and JEDU permit issuance typically requires
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approval, approvals from additional bodies, including special districts and utilities that
[1:53:40]
are not held to the same 60-day timeline as local agency, which can result in considerable delays
[1:53:46]
for ADU and JEDU construction, as well as present challenges to local jurisdictions attempting
[1:53:52]
demanding to manage entities beyond their control.
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Special districts and utilities will now be held to the same timelines as local agencies.
[1:54:00]
The new laws also define what it means for a permitting agency to act on an application
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by clarifying that this means to approve the application or to provide a complete list
[1:54:11]
of defective or deficient items along with the description of how the application can be
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remedied by the applicant, is the intent of the new laws to help reduce the time spent
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by all sides in reviewing and revising applications.
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Current law refers to various conditions where an ADU may be located, such as attached
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to an existing or proposed primary dwelling, including attached garages, but neglected to
[1:54:39]
specify detached garages, so the new laws clarify that a detached ADU may be constructed in
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a detached garage. Current law prohibits a local jurisdiction from requiring fire sprinklers
[1:54:52]
in a new detached ADU if the primary dwelling does not contain fire sprinklers. However,
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in the case of ADUs that don't meet the minimum distance requirements from hydrant,
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there are alternative measures that can be applied, such as requiring fire sprinklers in the new ADU.
[1:55:08]
However, this then triggered the requirement to install fire sprinklers in the primary dwelling
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as well. So the new law is now prohibit that additional requirement for the primary dwelling.
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Current law addressed many of the issues related to nonconforming issues
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and ADU construction, but the new law is specified that ADU applications cannot be tied to
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violations related to the primary dwelling except to the extent that the correction is necessary
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to protect health and safety. In terms of development standards, the new laws address height
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In location, those are the two main issues related to development standards.
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The current height limit of 16 feet for detached ADU on a single family lot will remain in place, except for the circumstances listed on the slide.
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The majority of ADU construction on single family properties in Rolling Hills estates will not be affected by the height limit changes.
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as there are few, if any, properties that are within one half mile walking distance of a major transit stop or a high quality corridor as defined in public resources code section to 1155.
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Currently in ADU, proposed at the second story level when attached to a primary dwelling must obtain a neighborhood compatibility determination from the planning commission.
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During this process, the applicant is required to construct a silhouette of the proposed
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second story edition and the planning commission's reviews limited to the mass scale and impacts
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of the structure itself as opposed to the use of the space as an ADU.
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The new law will mean that it's attached ADU maybe two stories or added at the second
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story level without benefit of a neighborhood compatibility determination, silhouette construction
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or review by the planning commission.
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And lastly, there are new provisions similar to those for detached ADUs in the rear side yards
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that say that if there's no other feasible location on the property for a detached ADU,
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except the front yard, a jurisdiction cannot impose setback standards that would make it impossible to build one.
[1:57:18]
Essentially, an ADU would only be allowed in the front yard setback if it were infeasable to build it elsewhere on the property,
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and would preclude its development on that property.
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Given the large lot sizes of single-family properties in the city is unlikely that staff
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will see many if any applications that require this provision.
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And with that staff recommends City Council receive and file the informational item.
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Staff will return to City Council with an urgency ordinance for its consideration at the
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January 24th, 2023 meeting and that concludes my presentation and both I and the City Attorney
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are available to answer any questions the council may have. Thank you.
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Thank you. Does anyone have questions or comments? I feel like I can't even comment anymore.
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I'm just going to say anything. I would just like to say Jeannie that thank you very much
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for this staff report, it took, after you try and read the Senate Bill and the assembly
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Bill, it was very, very helpful and clarified a lot of questions I had, even when I have
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Bob to ask questions of. Thank you. Anyone else?
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Just a comment, I think along the same lines, yeah. It's a lot of stuff in the bills, GD did
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a great job.
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He's doing it down.
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And then if you actually look at the amendments,
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our last thing, it's not a whole lot.
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It's just one more exercise,
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but we were able to work these in.
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And as Jeanne said at the end of the day,
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there's nothing really particularly significantly damaging.
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I mean, the height things a little bit annoying,
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but aside from that, we'll be fine.
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So I would encourage you just to look over that part.
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And as we said, we wanted to just kind of give this introduction
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and then we'll bring back urgency ordnance just one and done in January.
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In terms of the parking, the codes we now have municipal codes that now restrict the overnight
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parking, this will have to have impact on that. Should I not even go there? But I mean, has that
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So, I don't know if that's even been considered or discussed at all amongst the staff, but I just was curious.
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No, we're aware of it, but nothing prohibits us from enforcing that, so that's something people are going to have to figure out.
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again. These are minimal standards, hopefully.
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Generally, you know, people won't, if they don't need to, not provide any parking, if they have space and things like that, because if they don't, they will run into some of those issues in the city. And nothing so far says the city has to change its parking codes yet, but. Yeah, and I would just add that our code does currently allow us to each unit is allowed an annual parking permit to park on the street.
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So, actually, it's up to two per unit, so that could be an option if there's no on-site
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parking.
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But what I found at a staff level and talking with property owners that are considering
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ADU or JADU construction is because we are a car dependent community, nobody wants to get
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rid of their garage in favor of an ADU or JADU.
[2:00:54]
They want to figure out a way to incorporate that use on the property while retaining as much parking on site as possible.
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So I I don't think that that our community will see the same kind of
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Reduction of parking that denser cities see that have better access to high-quality transit
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But nonetheless the annual on-street parking is an option for each unit in the city
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Any other comments?
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I'll entertain a motion to receive and file.
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I so move.
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Proculties?
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Councilmember Schachter?
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Yes.
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Councilmember Zarenian?
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Yes.
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Councilmember Stigera?
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Aye.
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Mayor Pro Temp Schmidt?
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Yes.
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And Mayor Huff?
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Yes.
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The motion carries.
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Thank you.
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OK.
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We will move on to 11 a old business and update
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on Los Angeles County, Safer at Home Order.
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And from-
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There's a knee.
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Pardon me?
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There's a ten-
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Oh, there's a ten-
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I don't even have that online, let me see.
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Okay, Memorandum of understanding between the cities
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of Rancho Pallas Ferties, Pallas Ferties Estates,
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Rolling Hills Estates, and Rolling Hills regarding implementation
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of the Know Your Zone evacuation web platform.
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And that is going to be a Memorandum
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from our management analyst, Jessica Slauson.
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Thank you again, Madam Mayor and members
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of the City Council.
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Before you this evening is an MOU agreement
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between the peninsula cities for the implementation
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of the no-year zone evacuation web platform.
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The county office of emergency management is collaborating
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with jurisdictions in the very high fire severity zones
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for the development of evacuation planning
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supported by the evacuation platform known as zone haven.
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the Lumida Sheriff's Station, County Fire Department,
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Pell's for Justice State's Police Department,
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are active partners of the system.
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Over the last year, staff has received input on the project
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from the Peninsula Public Safety Committee,
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which is comprised of two council members
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from each peninsula city.
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In planning for the implementation and launch of the program,
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Peninsula staff are collaborating in the development
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of a shared platform that will allow the public
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to access the evacuation platform
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in addition to other important emergency preparedness resources.
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The Know Your Zone campaign will be co-branded with the four city logos to promote access and
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awareness information of the emergency resource webpage, mainly to the public.
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The website development cost will be shared using the cost allocation formula established on previous joint projects.
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The initial setup cost is estimated not to exceed $10,000.
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The ongoing cost of the shared website is estimated at $1,500 annually.
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And just to note, there are no anticipated costs for participating in the county's evacuation planning system at this time.
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The county expects to reassess the program after three years.
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Thank you, with that staff does recommend that the city council approve the memorandum of understanding between the palace for
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30s peninsula cities as approved to form by the city attorney with the established not to exceed amounts of $10,000 with rolling hills of states shared estimated for the $1,300 for the first year of implementation.
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Thank you and I'm available for any questions you may have.
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Any questions comments?
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Move approval.
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Second.
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A roll call please.
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Council Member Shepter.
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Yes. Council members are any in? Yes. Council member Sigoura. Mayor Protim Schmidt. Yes.
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And Mayor Hough. Yes. The motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. We will now go to item 11. Old
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business. Then that is from our city manager. Thank you, Mayor. Yes, I think we've all seen in the
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county. We witnessed an increase in the number of COVID cases. The county of LA is now in
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They're at high transmission level, however, those numbers are starting to level off.
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There have been no changes this far to the health order.
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Health officials do continue to advise residents to get the most recent by-valent booster if they were eligible to receive that.
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And I have no other updates.
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Thank you.
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and city of 20 IONs.
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No formal report, but along the lines
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of the continuing COVID issues.
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At present, the governor's emergency declaration
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set to expire, believe, in February.
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So at that time, then we'll lose our ability
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to kind of do the hybrid meetings we're doing.
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So I will get you a memo, but then you may be aware too.
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They also change the Brown Act.
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There's a new form of teleconferencing
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to under certain conditions too, so update you all in January is to the old rule, the
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emergency rule, and then the, you know, personal crises kind of new rules too, so you understand
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what options may be if you can't attend whether you're traveling, you're sick or, you know,
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various other reasons they haven't made it easy for us, but there are some options and that
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be good to revisit those as our hybrid rules may or may not you know go out of sync.
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Can I ask a question? Can I ask a question of you then? There were a bunch of different
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versions in the legislature of these extensions or non-extensions. Did the requirement
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that you post your location if you're doing it remotely survive or not? Yes, so that's
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You have to put your address in one case, you know, the old rule has the posting of your location in it.
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Okay, so if I'm sick and I have to take it from yeah, I have to call on the new one that the kind of personal
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Extenduating circumstances whether you do have to post it or not. I can't remember but that's that's what we have to sort through because
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there's do you post do you not post and is it permitted and under what or open yeah exactly
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have your neighbors come yeah yeah so okay thank you very much moving to item 13 city council
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regional committee reports I'd like to take the opportunity to welcome again our newest city council
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a member, Pam Shactor. And we're so pleased to have you with us. I know you're many years
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of service in the city, you're well-known by many people and have served on many of our
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commissions and committees. So would like to give you an opportunity, say a few words you'd like.
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No, it's past everybody's bedtime. I thank you very much. And what Steve said tonight
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was very nice. I just feel like as I said it, the elected officials, the peninsula, you know,
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little reception they had, that I have some big shoes to fill. So, you know, Steve's done
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incredible things. And sometimes my own participation in the city is not necessarily, I'm ruffled a few
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feathers now and then, but I like to think that I'm doing it because I love the city so much.
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But I have a lot to learn from all of you, and I'm just thankful that I know all of you so well,
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and can look back to people like John Adelman, who's my neighbor, Judy Mitchell,
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and Steve for support as well. So I look forward to the next four years. Thank you.
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Wonderful. Okay, anyone else have a report they'd like to share?
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Just that I'm glad that most of us are going to Sacramento for legislative days,
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the contract cities on January 8th through the 11th. It's going to be an important session.
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There are a number of very new members of the Assembly and members of the Senate that we need to
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talk to, and I think it's going to be important for them to see local governments at their
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doorstep and talk about what matters the most to us, that govern at the very local level.
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So I'm delighted that you're coming, and it'll be, I think, a great experience also.
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So Pam, it's a wonderful few days to participate and learn the legislative process.
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Great.
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Thank you for mentioning that.
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I'll just mention that the first week of the month I was in Monterey to attend the Cal
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City State Board of Directors meeting and also the CalCog, which is the Cal-
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California is our Council of Governments board meeting also and for 14 we have mayor and council
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items. Anything else there? And we have no closed session. So I will move toward adjournment
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and would like to adjourn this evening in memory of John Taver, a long time rolling hills
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the state's residents who passed away peacefully on Sunday, November 13th.
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John is survived by his loving wife Lynn and both John and Lynn had been champions
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and generous supporters of the peninsula's conservation efforts.
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Most recently, they donated funds to create the Taver Grove, a designated pocket park in
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the city named in their honor in the Harbor site community neighborhood.
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The City of Rolling Hills of States extends its deepest condolences to John Taber's family and friends, and with that, I will adjourn our meeting.
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All right.
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Good night.
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All right.