[0:08] To the flag of the United States of America to the republic for it stands

[0:14] one nation under God indivisible and justice for all.

[0:34] Michael or Sean on Zoom. If one of you could unmute and just confirm you can

[0:39] hear us, that'd be awesome. How you will not do this if you can't

[0:44] hear me?

[0:47] » Yeah, I can hear you. >> Thanks, John.

[0:52] We're in good shape. If you guys can turn the volume up on that a little bit.

[0:55] John was a little quiet, but we can sort that out next time someone from Zoom

[0:59] chams in as well. All right, guys. Um, I'm going to start with the meeting

[1:05] minutes from last month to take care of these and helping Kim uh

[1:12] get started on this month. >> Make a motion to accept the minutes as

[1:17] written. >> I'll second that. All

[1:20] » in favor? Hi >> I have to abstain since I was only here

[1:25] for half of the meeting. >> No verify half of them.

[1:29] » How does that work exactly? >> I'm not sure.

[1:31] » Just say half of I >> like a oneeyed situation.

[1:40] » All right. Um before we open the floor to public comment uh just a quick

[1:45] introduction. Our new village clerk who's here. Kim. Everybody. Everybody.

[1:54] Um, yeah. And we'll start with a public comment. Uh, just to review, everyone,

[1:59] please say your name, uh, street address so that the notes

[2:05] » get taken properly and then uh, we'll go from there.

[2:07] » Starting off with the red dot girl in the back.

[2:13] » I'm in the background. >> Okay. Cannot hear.

[2:16] » Okay. >> Sounds good, Chris.

[2:18] » Everything. And we are uh we are working on a microphone.

[2:22] » That's okay. >> Well, that's only for you. That doesn't

[2:24] help you here. >> I hope you can speak loud.

[2:28] » That's true. >> I can use my teacher voice if you need

[2:31] me to. I can do that. >> Looking down into your paperwork and

[2:36] that's where the sound is going. >> Okay, we'll work on that.

[2:39] » Yeah. And if you honestly if you can't hear what we're saying, you don't you

[2:42] can just say, "Hey, what?" And that's fine. We'll speak.

[2:47] I don't have a gavl or anything, so you're good.

[2:50] » Thanks, Chris. >> All right.

[2:52] » Anybody else? Sir, >> Tim Towner, 506 Ambrose. Um, just wanted

[2:57] to say thank you for the progress DPW's making on the drainage at the end of

[3:02] Ambrose. I don't think we're there yet, but it's getting getting there.

[3:06] » Is it flowing better? >> I believe so. I think we still get

[3:10] » had a fair amount of rain in the past few days to test it out. Okay.

[3:14] » And second thing is just scheduling the leaf pickup for the fall if we could

[3:21] either have two or push the one out a little bit later because last year the

[3:25] village trees hadn't even dropped their leaves before the pickup was. So on the

[3:31] end and we get a lot of them at the end of

[3:34] just a just a request. Sh.

[3:41] » Thanks. Anybody else in the room? Anybody on Zoom? Mr. Miller

[3:48] once gone twice. All right, we'll close public comment and we'll come around to

[3:53] it again at the end. Next up, we have the treasur's report.

[3:59] on the payroll motion to appoint

[4:07] the salary and appointment date then just a motion on the adjustment of

[4:15] amount6

[4:18] » um and your start date was remind me the second or the third okay great I will

[4:23] make a motion to appoint Kim Cring as the new village clerk at 66,000

[4:29] starting September 2nd. >> I'll second that.

[4:32] » All in favor? >> I I

[4:37] motion on the budget adjustment. >> You need a motion. It's

[4:42] » Well, so we're not Oh, well, it will be because it's individuated. So, the clerk

[4:46] can cler >> to change the payroll sheet. You mean?

[4:49] » Um, yes. >> Okay. But I think that motion that we

[4:53] did, we'll just change >> make a motion to reflect that on the

[4:56] payroll sheet. I'll second. Oh, either way.

[4:59] » All right. All in favor. >> And they just

[5:04] » Anybody have any questions on the bills? >> I'll make a motion to pay the bills.

[5:08] » I'll second. All >> in favor?

[5:10] » I. >> Anything else for us, Belinda?

[5:14] » Going well with the admin stuff? >> Yes.

[5:17] » All right. Is fine. So, we are still on track to go live on the 1 of December.

[5:23] Great. Thanks. >> So, we're going to do our building this

[5:25] month. for September this week. Yep. >> Hopefully that's going to be the last

[5:31] cop job one. >> Yeah.

[5:32] » Okay. >> I know for Yes. the first of December

[5:39] hopefully we we're going to go live and we're going to get training and be at

[5:46] um obviously for you know the whole program

[5:52] about the second 30th of November. >> Okay.

[5:57] » Awesome.

[6:00] » Yeah, I'm diving into that already. So last one.

[6:06] Any other questions for Belinda guys? Thank you.

[6:11] All right, we'll move on to department reports and start with uh for today's

[6:16] performance, Lynn is being played by Jared.

[6:22] » Uh as often

[6:26] only other thing I didn't put in there was that we received that trailer back

[6:30] trailer that has really paid for it already.

[6:36] Changed out multiple curb stops within minutes. Great.

[6:42] » Friday, Friday, actually it was Thursday night. Mark Warner called for it. They

[6:46] had multiple water breaks. Uh so they took that and our truck for the night.

[6:51] Came in Friday morning. They had one more break. We went out and helped them.

[6:56] Friday afternoon, um they have another break,

[7:01] but then minutes after that one, a third one popped out. But that trailer alone

[7:06] has saved man hours of shovel. >> Yeah, that's great.

[7:11] » And the village of Brownville had one Saturday board and asking if we would

[7:15] bring it over there, which we did. >> Awesome.

[7:23] » Um, do you are you tracking their the drainage over there?

[7:28] » Yeah. So, we we got onto that. We exposed in the pipe. Um, found it, which

[7:34] is a good thing. Now we're just trying to figure out the best solution to fix

[7:37] it. >> Is a collapse you just talked

[7:41] » they can put a catch basin at the end raising the level where it comes in.

[7:46] Keep that there catch basin on and at the higher level take it right to the

[7:51] lake. That's was last thing we were talking about.

[7:54] » Great. Any questions for Jared guys? gonna the

[8:00] only thing I had to report on the DTPW I'm just going to piggyback on him

[8:03] because they had a lift station go down last week and they've had um they've

[8:09] been having troubles with it since it went down. So they needed to have some

[8:14] emergency money authorized which I gave them a verbal to go ahead and do that

[8:17] because we can't have a lift station down. Um they had already gotten three

[8:21] prices. We went with the cheapest one but it's $10,785.

[8:25] » I gave the bills. Yeah. >> No. Um, it's not actually been expended

[8:31] yet. She just had a copy of it on the top for me to explain what was going on

[8:36] with it. Um, but he dropped it off to Belinda, so we're all set there. But he

[8:40] does have two other prices. >> We got two. We got one through W2O and C

[8:45] works. >> Okay. And with it being an emergency, I

[8:47] feel like two is enough. So, um, they went with the cheaper one. Um, and they

[8:52] had a list of things that they were sending. So, the parts are on order.

[8:57] » One:00. >> Is that station down?

[9:00] » Um, so there's two pumps in each one. So, the other one's doing all the work

[9:03] right now. >> They've been cobbing it to get it going.

[9:08] » Yeah. >> So, I verbally authorized it this

[9:11] morning knowing I was going to talk to you guys tonight. So,

[9:15] » and I know we've talked before about are the pumps standardized throughout all

[9:19] the lift stations? >> They're different sizes. I think this is

[9:23] Rome is a standardization. >> The question is like should we have an

[9:26] extra one on in stock or are they too many variables between them? I don't

[9:32] know what the lead time is on these, but >> so when he I talked to him today, he

[9:35] said it's going be two weeks to get the parts covered. But have the part here in

[9:39] two weeks and I asked when as soon as it hits their floor, they come right on. He

[9:44] agrees with that. >> Okay. So,

[9:46] » but I think what he's asking is in the future, should we have a backup here so

[9:50] that we don't have to wait two weeks next time?

[9:53] » Um, >> I don't even know.

[9:55] » Is there one unit that would work for all of our lift stations or would we be

[9:58] carrying five different skewers? I find it.

[10:02] » Okay. So, that's not going to work. Okay.

[10:04] » And they're they're sized so that one standalone can take all the max flows.

[10:08] So, that one by itself, that's why duplex.

[10:10] » But if they're burning out, we run the risk of the one that's now doubled up

[10:15] overloading because of that, too. So, >> we'll probably in the near future have

[10:19] to spend the same kind of money to >> to replace that one that's carrying the

[10:23] load right now. >> This impeller has failed.

[10:26] » So, it won't hold suction. >> Which lift station is it?

[10:30] Okay. >> And and it runs

[10:32] » uh non-stop. >> Okay. All right.

[10:37] Thank you. >> Do we have an alarm on that if it stops

[10:40] the second one? >> Yeah. Yeah.

[10:43] » Call or myself >> at that point.

[10:52] » Back truck's not going to like its new role.

[10:55] Oh my truck. >> Probably not.

[11:00] » All righty. >> Thank you, sir.

[11:06] Officer Gleason, you're up, sir. >> Okay. Um, I attached my or I sent my

[11:12] report to the deputy clerk this morning. Um, sorry for the late notice there. We

[11:17] were busy with the marathon all weekend. Um, we made it through the Bash for

[11:21] Cash, the Brew York, and the Marathon. I didn't receive any complaints on my end,

[11:28] unless you've heard anything. >> Nope.

[11:32] » Okay. And we were working with the state

[11:36] police and the sheriff's office trying to get the motorcycle issue under

[11:39] control. As you've seen on the internet, it's like a countywide or probably a

[11:44] statewide issue. the when you do try and stop them,

[11:50] most of them just take off. There's a few that'll stop and but they're usually

[11:55] the ones that aren't being problematic. Um I've had many of conversations with

[12:00] some of them at the boat launch. They're respectful and then those aren't the

[12:04] ones. You'll see those ones go out of town nice and slow and obeying all the

[12:08] traffic rules. Um the state police had an issue where two of them took off out

[12:13] dodge and then a third one joined in and passed the trooper and

[12:18] obviously didn't comply with anything. You can't get plates or identifying

[12:23] markers off the bike. So basically >> John isn't it a new Sorry to interrupt.

[12:29] Isn't it a new rule that you guys don't like speed after them? Right.

[12:34] » Um well it's up to the officer's discretion. There's no set it. A lot of

[12:39] risk factors go into it, but >> I mean, pretty much we're in New York

[12:44] State, so if something does happen to the suspects, then, you know, it's going

[12:50] to be bad for everyone involved, >> right? I just was clarifying that we're

[12:55] being we're doing the safe. That's all. >> Yep.

[13:01] » Yeah. And just to piggyback on that, um I don't know if you guys saw Watertown

[13:06] just paid a million17,000 for a death settlement. They put a speed

[13:13] bump at Thompson Park. Uh the signage warning people about it was not the

[13:19] correct amount ahead of it. So it was there was signage at the speed bump, but

[13:22] it was too close for person on eBike. Uh they hit it hard and they died. Um and

[13:28] so you know, everyone's like, "Oh, we should put speed bumps." Like

[13:31] » I think you would need one on every single road as a resident. I think

[13:34] that'd be a huge pain in the tail. >> Yeah. So I think um

[13:38] » I think for now I think letting John >> please do their job.

[13:42] » Yeah. Yeah. >> But I just thought I'd bring it up

[13:45] because there's a more than just the annoying reasons for speed bumps. Um you

[13:50] know it's a there are legal liabilities that come with any traffic changes and

[13:55] those would be very dangerous to do without warning people.

[14:02] Thank you, John. >> Any questions for John?

[14:07] » Good. Great. >> Thanks, sir. Anything for fire? Oops.

[14:14] » David. >> Yeah, you have my report also. Um,

[14:20] a couple things. The good news is that we finally received final payment on

[14:24] this is the LWRP1 grant. Call it. was about 20,000. So that was good. It's

[14:30] been um the bad news is we did hear on the

[14:36] CFA grant it was declined. We tried to package it as one project and they said

[14:43] it's separate parks. We tried puts and then connected by a trail. They weren't

[14:50] buying that. So I as far as I know they haven't announced the

[14:55] swings or any other grants yet so far. So

[15:00] » they denied it completely. >> Well they did they you can't submit an

[15:04] application. >> No I understand so they saw it as two.

[15:12] » Thank you. >> Yeah they didn't bring one at the other

[15:16] » I mean it's pretty competitive too. is not to say that if we had done

[15:19] » anything I think

[15:27] » how's it coming >> there's something we should continue to

[15:29] work on I think there's ways we can strengthen

[15:32] but we got to pick one or the other

[15:37] » that's all any questions for Dave >> I see you have um notes on the zoning

[15:43] can you update what's going on with there or did Sarah want on the zone

[15:47] donate. >> Oh Jeff, on that date actually we're

[15:49] meeting we've been uh meeting the next meeting is I think I put Thursday. The

[15:54] next meeting is next Wednesday. Next meeting is Thursday.

[15:58] » Okay. >> And um done a lot of research. Well, I

[16:02] don't know if Sarah wants to report on it.

[16:04] » Either way, go ahead. >> Um gotten data from the county um on

[16:09] housing on Airbnbs. >> Okay. and we got done some research on

[16:14] just the number of housing units and uh now at this point we're starting to work

[16:19] on actual provisions that >> okay

[16:24] » and the temporary outdoor structures too

[16:32] any questions for Dave

[16:39] Kathy you're

[16:42] Senator Rose I did think was worth mentioning um our

[16:47] numbers were down in August because they were down significantly and

[16:52] just look back through our numbers from previous years. Um

[16:57] they went down about 200 which seems like a lot given that our numbers

[17:00] generally are only around a thousand or anything. Um, as best we can figure,

[17:06] this is due to Canadians and international people not coming nearly

[17:09] as much this year as they had in past years. Um, but also maybe due to gas

[17:14] prices being high because our Jefferson County and sort of surrounding area

[17:18] numbers are up while other few other states in the country are down. Um, but

[17:24] so as best we can tell, that's that's what it is. But we'll talk to Corey and

[17:27] the TI council to see if this is sort of an areawide phenomenon or what's going

[17:31] on.

[17:35] And then I did also, Kelly had asked earlier about um the sign um quotes. I

[17:43] do have a couple of quotes. Um however, they're kind of ballpark quotes because

[17:48] we're looking at very different things. We're not turning apples to apples. Um

[17:52] to do a simple sign, we'd be looking somewhere around 5,000. That would be

[17:56] wooden post and a metal sign would probably last about seven years. Um, if

[18:01] we want to upgrade that to um an HDU sign, which has a look of wood but lasts

[18:06] a lot longer with engravings, that's going to raise the price by 10 to

[18:09] $15,000. >> Raise it to 10 to 15 or raise it high.

[18:16] » And then if we want to do the stone pillars on the side, instead of post,

[18:21] we're looking at even more. And that would be probably like 20.

[18:26] Um, so the prices vary drastically depending on the materials that we're

[18:29] looking at. But I would also maybe like to talk to Lynn first and get his input.

[18:34] » Yeah. >> What will fit?

[18:38] » Do you know >> what the the rig you guys did with the

[18:43] is I think a six buys you put up and then the fabric. Do you

[18:47] guys do that yourselves?

[18:50] $1,000 in

[18:55] » couple hours of work and

[19:00] » the the uprightes it's a it's a they built basically a frame out of uh I

[19:04] think 6x6es or 4x4s. >> All right. And then the the vinyl is

[19:10] stretched so that it's looks almost like it's a permanent sign. It was was it

[19:14] $200 I think for the sign. >> So

[19:18] the temporary one, >> right? But I'm like, if it looks nice

[19:21] and we can replace it every year, brand new,

[19:24] » like the looks of that permanent, not permanently. I mean, obviously, it's

[19:27] working in a pinch. >> Sure. And that's But I feel like we are

[19:31] better than vinyl. Sorry. >> Um,

[19:34] » and I don't think it'll last the winter with the snow and the wind and all of

[19:38] that. >> Yeah.

[19:41] » If it's if it's a $20,000 versus $200, that's a hundred years of replacements,

[19:45] you know. Um,

[19:48] » is that is that per location, Kathy? So, three locations.

[19:53] » Yeah, right. Only I'm only pricing it out based on we need one right now. I

[19:56] didn't price out like Okay. Because we haven't even finalized the materials

[19:59] yet. I haven't asked okay, could we get a discount if we're doing multiple signs

[20:03] or anything because I'm just trying to nail down what what materials to weave

[20:06] them off first. >> Did you end up getting a

[20:09] » Yeah. See,

[20:13] » did you get a hold of the Inkwell guy? I got a hold of the Inkwell guy. I still

[20:17] have not heard back from your guy. Um I was

[20:19] » Well, he was the one that I I thought that was the

[20:22] » Inkwell. That's like KMS or K. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because he was the

[20:26] one that did the vinyl and his whole thing was I'm happy to rush this for you

[20:29] guys and not charge extra, but I want to be considered for the bid. So, hopefully

[20:33] he'll be a competitive bid. >> I feel like if we've reached out to him

[20:36] a couple of times, we gave him that option then. So,

[20:38] » well then we Well, we we discovered something for him. uh his front desk

[20:42] person was just going, "We don't do that for all sorts of jobs."

[20:46] » Okay. >> Oh, that's good for business.

[20:50] » His problem is uh coming from inside the house. But

[20:54] » but yeah, if I can get in anyway and just talk to him about what he thinks

[20:58] good recommendation. But yeah, right now

[21:02] » is the sign itself, not even counting like what's holding it up yet, but the

[21:07] sign itself is it going to be it's going to be wooden? It could be wooden or

[21:11] metal, but they're not nearly as expensive. I think most of this is

[21:13] coming from construction. >> So, right now, if we had them go ahead

[21:16] and start making the sign part and we just figure out or does that or can we

[21:20] not do that part until we figure out do we want a wooden structure? Do we want

[21:25] stone? >> Let's order the sign because I'm

[21:29] wondering,

[21:32] » yeah, >> are we doing a simple metal sign that

[21:34] will only last about seven years? Are we doing the HDU sign which is a material

[21:40] that looks like wood that can be engraved so it looks really nice last

[21:44] up. >> What is the historical societ like what

[21:46] do you I mean long term >> we

[21:49] » which would fit your requirements because eventually we'll probably want

[21:53] to do all of them. >> Yeah, we did a historic and it was small

[21:57] the front of the chapel um wanted to match this small sign that was in front

[22:02] of historical signing. So we went well we got quotes too but he bought graphics

[22:08] and that's that HDU >> but you cannot tell the difference. I

[22:12] mean it's painted you cannot tell the difference.

[22:13] » That's what I was wondering. I'm not sure if we want metal because will it

[22:16] rust and all of that? So that's why I was wondering if I just want to make

[22:19] sure that whatever we do that it's matching what you guys are doing so it's

[22:22] consistent through the >> Okay.

[22:27] » HDU is what's recommended. However, it's a high price tag but it lasts 30 years.

[22:31] » Oddly enough I think At least two of our three signs are in

[22:35] the town of Hfield. So planning board is well talk to the other one.

[22:39] » I mean that's not I'm just saying it would fine.

[22:42] » But it's nice aesthetically. >> Okay.

[22:44] » Do you have a price on the HDU one? >> H one was the one that was

[22:50] in it. It would be around 20 20,000. >> So again I think this is for

[22:55] constructing the entire thing. We should separately get quotes for just

[22:59] » separately just get a price for the sign.

[23:03] just the middle bit with the information.

[23:05] » Yeah. Because I'm wondering if we can get them started on doing that part

[23:08] while we debate the actual frame of what that's going to hold that

[23:13] up after, if that makes sense. >> I think I think these guys are pricing

[23:18] construction they don't normally do at a premium.

[23:21] » That's what I'm wondering. So, if you could just price out the sign

[23:25] » and then I don't know if we can find a contractor that can build. You know what

[23:29] I'm saying? That's not straight through them. seen um for a John Kent's new

[23:35] building. Yes. I don't know who's doing that work, but

[23:38] » Overton. >> Is it Brian?

[23:40] » Okay. >> Brian.

[23:42] » Well, Overton's doing I don't know. >> House by the barracks.

[23:47] » Yes. I don't know who owns that. Every time I walk by it, I'm like, there's not

[23:50] a It's It's gorgeous, but if there's not a

[23:55] They didn't get a planning board. There's not an orange sticker in the

[23:59] window that tells me that they came to NAS for. So I was like, what are they

[24:01] doing? It took me I walk by it every single day. So I was like, what's

[24:04] happening it? >> Yeah, I was trying to think of the name.

[24:09] » I think that's Overton. >> Overtons is doing that one. But it looks

[24:13] really nice. So that's why I'm like, could we get a quote from them because I

[24:17] like what they're doing around the fence. If we kind of mirror that

[24:22] and had it, but if we did the sign separately, but hired a contractor to do

[24:25] that part of it, maybe we would save money doing it that way. I'm thinking

[24:29] their price is so much because that's probably not something that they

[24:32] typically do. >> So pricing on this if we're not doing

[24:35] the stone veneer. Actually, in either case, there's a metal substructure no

[24:40] matter what because um so Inkwell actually came out and took a look. Plus,

[24:44] they're local so they know like we get a lot of wind there. So they were

[24:48] recommending that we need a steel frame to sort of keep this thing intact as

[24:51] much as possible, >> even if a car hits it again.

[24:54] » Yes. Nothing stop a car, right? You know, did we have been an insurance

[24:59] claim in >> Could our insurance have covered that? I

[25:02] mean, it was >> well, the woman's insurance.

[25:05] » Well, that's what I'm wondering. That was an accident. Could we not have

[25:08] submitted it through her insurance? I mean, she should be I hate to say it,

[25:11] but she should be paying for the replacement of it

[25:14] » and then we could pay the difference. Have we not looked into that?

[25:19] » Do we know? >> You got a police report on that?

[25:22] » Oh, I don't know why we didn't look to do

[25:26] that to begin with. That definitely should have been her insurance covering

[25:29] at least >> something.

[25:31] » Yes, >> part of it and then we could have

[25:33] finished the rest of it. >> Try and get a report. See,

[25:36] » that's what I would do. I can ask John. I don't know if he's still on.

[25:40] » Yeah, I can check into that. I can try and figure out which agency handled it

[25:44] and then get a case number and go from there.

[25:47] » That would be great, John. You could do that and if we need to submit a claim to

[25:50] at least get coverage to replace what was already there and then we could put

[25:55] that with at least it wouldn't cost quite as much money.

[25:57] » I don't know. >> Yeah.

[26:04] » Cool. >> Thank you.

[26:05] » How's the porch? >> Um I'm still chasing John trying to get

[26:09] him back to come and fish. I mean it's in great shape now. We did have a

[26:13] problem with bees. Um >> they're everywhere.

[26:16] » Yes. because he had pulled off bits of the um board that were rotting. I think

[26:21] that that's how they were able to get in. So, we had all pests come treat it

[26:25] once. That seems to have resolved the problem. And so, hoping that we can get

[26:28] back fast enough to finish this off.

[26:33] » Sounds good. Any other questions for Kathy, guys?

[26:39] » Yep. >> Planning board. I don't think Sharon is

[26:44] here or on. Um, we've got a couple here.

[26:53] Any questions about any of this stuff, guys, or notes we want to take back to

[26:56] Janet?

[27:03] On to all right. Uh, not too much ready side.

[27:09] All the projects are closed out. did review some of your emails, Alex,

[27:15] that you forwarded along. One of them is for FEMA, which it requires the village

[27:20] to have some information like EIN number or something like that.

[27:25] So, it's not something we can fill out. I mean, we'd be happy once you got in

[27:28] there, the village got in there. I can take the I need anything.

[27:34] » Yeah. >> Yeah. Just as often when I when they

[27:37] send those, one of you guys is already handling it. So, I just wanted to check

[27:40] before I I'll take Okay. Yeah. If you need specific information about the

[27:44] projects, by all means, just kind of getting in there. It's something

[27:51] um another another one of the emails was about the ready funding. Um you'd have

[27:56] to check with Jim, but as far as I know, all ready funding submitted. Okay.

[28:00] reimbursement. There was 30,000 a change that we kind of exhausted all avenues to

[28:07] to >> Oh, this is at the

[28:08] » station. I think a lot of those have been

[28:12] submitted probably over a year or so. >> Okay.

[28:17] » Um that's all that I

[28:21] » Yeah, I got the notes there. I don't really have any more updates on what's

[28:25] on that date sheet unless there's any questions

[28:28] on anything.

[28:32] Good. Thanks, guys.

[28:38] » All right. You got a long report for us, Kim?

[28:44] » Nothing. >> Perfect.

[28:49] » I just circle back real quick. I didn't get a chance when I was looking at this.

[28:53] Um Janet's on the planning board. Dana has a note um about she suggested last

[29:00] month regular site inspections by the village engineer and the DPW

[29:06] is that in coordination with the developer and she just wants to make is

[29:10] that something our DPW already had like that's not part of

[29:14] » so I talked to Lyn he's regularly checking out what they're doing

[29:17] » she's asking them >> this is for harbor haven because yeah

[29:20] basically where they're at is >> the

[29:25] the lawn in the middle is going to end up being like Peanut Park, which is

[29:29] actually a retention pond, but it's almost never a pond,

[29:33] » right? >> But in the event of like a three-day

[29:35] long rainstorm, that fills up and slowly drains.

[29:38] » The one out there though was really deep. That one's not as deep.

[29:40] » Yeah. So, they're back filling it, grading it, seeding it with grass, and

[29:44] then the storm drains go under the road so that if if it fills with storm water,

[29:49] it trickles out to the storm drain slowly.

[29:51] » Okay. So that's when I talked to Lynn, he said they're

[29:55] checking in regularly. Um Tori has been in discussion with him as well. I don't

[29:59] think we need any more. >> I just wanted to make sure that like I

[30:03] mean I don't want to I didn't know if it was something that our village engineer

[30:07] looks at. That's extra cost. That's an extra bill. Um

[30:10] » there was some built into an infra infrastructure agreement on it.

[30:15] » Okay. I just wasn't sure what the setup was. You know, the one thing if they're

[30:19] doing paving, the one thing I recommend is that, you know, some of the subbase

[30:22] was put out there 10 years ago and then they're going to add some more gravel

[30:25] underneath that. Just want to make sure we have all that's shown on the plans

[30:30] that's there. Okay. >> Um I I'm still in conversation with

[30:32] them, you know, if they want to do a little test pit, but they're supposed to

[30:35] be adding some of that and paving. >> So, you've been in talk like you've

[30:38] talked to them and you kind of know what's going on out there to too.

[30:42] » Yes. >> Okay. That's all I need. I just need a

[30:44] clarification that we're doing what Janet's asking. Sorry, I didn't mean to

[30:48] go back, but I missed it. I You moved a little too fast. Sorry.

[30:56] » All good.

[30:59] » We're on community or I don't think there's anyone from the chamber here.

[31:04] However, um I will just ask on their behalf.

[31:09] » Um I wasn't sure if the stage that they use for the concerts on the battlefield

[31:14] was ours or the historical societies. Dave let me know. it is in fact the

[31:17] villages. Uh they would like to use it for one of the bands

[31:21] during October fests. Uh I think that's fine. I mean the historical society uses

[31:27] it for their community events. It's a free concert open to the public. So it's

[31:30] there's no, you know, they're not charging anyone tickets or anything.

[31:33] » You know where they want it? >> In the road, are they?

[31:36] » No, they were either going to do it >> I think they're leaning towards the

[31:40] anchor bar lot. >> Oh. Um, but they've talked about putting

[31:44] it in the farm stand lot as well or possibly your lot in front of the ice

[31:48] cream store. They're still debating where, but they wanted to know if they

[31:50] had it to use first. So, um, I don't know if we need a motion on it. Um, but,

[31:56] you know, >> they can use it. I just didn't want

[31:58] didn't know. >> I didn't want

[31:59] » So, Main Street's going to be closed then.

[32:02] » Yeah. So, they won't like it would never cross Main Street as a block. Like,

[32:05] it'll still be accessible for emergency services. Somebody stuck.

[32:10] » No, it's just someone from the fire department.

[32:12] » Um, >> yeah. So, they would never like if it is

[32:15] on Main Street, it'll be like parallel park. So, okay.

[32:17] » We can still get an ambulance through >> festival.

[32:21] » October fest. >> Um, that's September 19th,

[32:29] right? I'll let them know anything from you guys.

[32:33] » I don't think we need to. >> I don't think we need to. I think they

[32:35] can just use it. >> I just

[32:38] for the historical society. The concerts are over. We had a great year too

[32:41] inside, but that's just whether but we had I think record crowds and some of

[32:46] the some of the concerts. So, I want to thank the village for the contribution W

[32:51] for moving the stage and all and all that. It was it's been a great

[32:57] awesome. >> All right. Any other community orgs I'm

[33:02] missing? Uh the chamber did have a meeting at Market on Maine this past

[33:07] week and not too much new reporting other than uh their marketing

[33:13] person Michael Deni resigned and there's somebody temporarily replacing him, but

[33:18] I think they're looking for somebody more long-term to take take over in

[33:22] conjunction with Kathy. Is that right? We're talking with Steve Gleason with

[33:28] the New York Homes to join and Phil Stern, but we have yet to actually

[33:35] broach being super involved in marketing with us. We're not we're not sure about

[33:39] that yet. >> So, we all know about it beforehand.

[33:43] » Oh, hopefully talking to him soon. >> Perfect.

[33:45] » It's always funny to hear rumors about yourself that

[33:48] » Yeah.

[33:51] » What's What's up with Michael? Is he >> he's moving on to

[33:56] » other things? >> Other things, I guess. Yeah.

[33:58] » His book's about to come out. He might be focused on that.

[34:01] » He's still he's staying local, >> I think. So, yeah, he's running October

[34:05] » Fest. Yeah. >> All right, we'll move on from community

[34:11] orgs unless anyone has any notes or questions for any groups. On to board

[34:15] reports and I will start. Um, first sort of unrelated to my duties as mayor, but

[34:21] um I I don't think I heard like officer Gleason said, I didn't hear anything

[34:26] from anybody in the barracks that was a issue with people staying in RVs

[34:32] uh for Brior. Um I still have yet to sync up with Garrick from codes.

[34:38] uh he sent me the form, but the event permit, which they did get, so I assume

[34:43] they they all got that sorted. It does now say that anything with over a

[34:48] thousand people or food, requires a county permit. Now, I don't know if they

[34:53] count the farm stand as food or when we have an So, I have to have a

[34:58] conversation with him to make sure I'm understanding when we need to ask for

[35:01] it. I think we probably once I get on the same page as him on our event

[35:07] questionnaire, we can just say like if this qualifies for a county permit,

[35:11] that's another tick box we need ticked that you did in fact file for it. I

[35:16] don't think we need it approved before we approve the event, but it's something

[35:20] that we're going to want to copy up just like

[35:21] » I think Brew York did end up having to do that and they came out and did an

[35:24] inspection. they didn't come out and inspect

[35:26] » but I I just mean in general I don't know like

[35:30] » which a thousand people or any food

[35:34] » which I think I want to make sure I understand like is that hot food is that

[35:38] food for sale is the you know all that >> well I was just wondering the marathon

[35:42] gave away milk

[35:47] » um so I just I want to I'm going to get that squared up with him so that I can

[35:52] not be guessing when it matters and I'll circle back to the concern that he told

[35:56] me, the reason they put it together was if it's an enclosed area, they need to

[36:02] know that that all of our uh departments, you know, the fire and the

[36:07] police and and I was like, well, of course, we do that.

[36:09] » Yeah, but not I think not all municipalities necessarily have the

[36:12] permit. So, it's fine. I just want to make sure we understand when we need to

[36:16] because I don't want to make it over complicated and if they have

[36:18] requirements that we can then say, "Oh, you don't need to worry about that for

[36:22] the village because the county is now doing it." we can maybe simplify our

[36:25] process to it, but I at least want to just get him on the phone so I can ask

[36:29] pedantic questions about their form so I can understand it.

[36:33] » Um, the fishing stuff in new business, uh, I was hoping Craig would be here,

[36:38] but I should give a heads up. So, last couple years, uh, the salmon fisherman,

[36:42] I don't know. I guess you doesn't make sense to me. You fling dyed eggs to

[36:48] attract the fish to their own I >> Either way, there's like orange dye.

[36:53] Yeah, orange dye being flung about and people are getting it on their boat and

[36:56] they're getting mad. Um, but technically Navy Point has uh like a lease over the

[37:05] water, but they can't even say like you can't be between our docks because

[37:08] that's still technically connected to the lake. So, they don't feel like they

[37:12] have any enforcement mechanism to tell people to like shoe. Um, so they called

[37:16] the DC. The DC said there's some rules and mechanisms. I have a call with the

[37:20] DC later this week. I tried to get it done before this meeting, but they

[37:23] weren't free. Um, so I'll circle back on that, but we do have the like ability to

[37:30] enforce our village laws in the harbor, even though um we don't outside. There's

[37:36] there's a weird rule about what counts as in the village in the water. Um,

[37:42] » but Kelly brought up we don't have a great

[37:44] » Well, it's it's they're on their own boats. So, the problem is they're on

[37:46] their own boats. >> I thought you were talking about the

[37:48] people because we have a lot of people that come to fish off the docks. Yes.

[37:51] » So I thought that's what you're >> No, but it's when somebody's on their

[37:53] own boat and they're like drifting by the marina and they're like splattering

[37:57] dye on people's sailboats. >> Well, technically the harbor is in So

[38:02] like within the harbor we can and do have rules.

[38:05] » But we don't have a police boat. We don't have a way to manip like how would

[38:10] that work? >> This is the conversation. I I will

[38:13] hopefully have some better info. >> All right. When you first brought I was

[38:15] like oh the people on because we have there's so many every weekend there's

[38:18] tons of people down on the docks. I thought that's what you were talking

[38:21] about. >> No, I don't know if you can throw the

[38:22] guy that far. But >> that's why I was like, I don't

[38:24] understand why someone would stand on the dock and throw it into someone's

[38:27] boat anyways. So, I was confused. >> Yeah, it's like drift drift fishing. I

[38:30] don't know. Again, I'm not It's not my forte, but I told Craig I would look

[38:34] into it. He got in touch with the DC guy. We're going to have a call. Okay.

[38:37] » Hopefully, they will give me some actionable advice.

[38:41] » So, I get to buy a boat. >> No. No, you do not.

[38:47] » We had enough issues with the fireboat. We're not doing a police boat. Nope.

[38:51] » Actually, the fire I mean you cannon. >> No, not happening.

[38:55] » Clean off the Discourage. >> No, not doing it.

[38:59] » No fun. >> So there's like

[39:00] » it's a source. >> There is a The harbor is a no wake zone.

[39:05] » Correct. >> Who enforces that?

[39:08] » Good question. >> Coast Guard, but there is no Coast

[39:10] Guard. There's iniggo. >> Okay. So I think this fall under the

[39:16] same >> category is

[39:20] » it's enforcement without any >> correct

[39:24] » yeah and people know it because they know that the coast guard is in as we go

[39:29] » I mean >> and then the state police is up in the

[39:31] river >> so technically like usually what happens

[39:36] is the sheriff boat takes care of like the lake but much like the sacks fire

[39:42] department. We had a little issue with our boat this year.

[39:46] » So, obviously, you've noticed it wasn't around, but I've been told by the marina

[39:50] that's going to be back up and running for the spring. So, we should be good to

[39:55] go as far as that goes. >> Yeah. I mean, right now, my

[40:00] understanding is the enforcement is Craig knows who's a pain and he calls

[40:04] them and bothers them if they are difficult and that seems to work to some

[40:08] extent. But yeah, if we had some kids ripping into the harbor on a speedboat

[40:13] and back out again, we wouldn't have a lot of ability to do anything, right?

[40:16] » You try and get the New York State reg number and report it.

[40:19] » I mean, I know people are asking for a full-time police department, but I don't

[40:22] think we can cover that with motorcycles and

[40:25] » watching fishermen in the pay for itself.

[40:29] » They don't know the implication of like, yeah, okay, then your taxes go up by 50%

[40:33] cover. >> Yeah. So, I think um but anyway, I'll

[40:37] hopefully that'll give me some ideas that we can use. Okay.

[40:40] » Um other thing I had was uh Dan Ferstein lives out by you on Ontario.

[40:46] » Um he brought up that he would love to see the village do a villagewide ISP or

[40:52] Wi-Fi. Um I also think those are great projects. Um, New York State's one of

[40:58] the few states that did not uh sort of bend to the conglomerate like

[41:05] Comcast has got it banned in a lot of states because they don't want the

[41:08] competition. Um, I think it would be a neat project. I just don't think anyone

[41:13] here has the bandwidth to move it forward. Um, but if we do hire a grant

[41:18] writer, it could be something they look out for because with some public

[41:21] funding, it might make sense to do. Um, I've done about a lot of research on

[41:26] public Wi-Fi and municipal ISPs. Um, and I'm kind of on the fence as to whether

[41:33] it's something we could manage. Um, I don't personally have the bandwidth to

[41:37] to do it myself. So, unless we have another person who wants to spearhead

[41:40] it, I think it would have to be punted. But, you ask me to bring it up.

[41:43] » How does that work exactly? I'm not familiar.

[41:45] » So, a village wide Wi-Fi, we could just we have fiber here, we have fiber in the

[41:49] school. We could just put nodes and and basically have a mesh network,

[41:53] » okay? >> Have free Wi-Fi for some level of

[41:55] service. Village ISP would basically mean a lot of communities have done

[42:00] this. Vermont's got a lot of them where they say basically Comcast is bad

[42:04] service for bad prices. we can just buy uh the back haul from West Halcom's

[42:10] fiber or gangs fiber and actually run our own fiber lines and we just say like

[42:16] everyone in the village gets $10 a month highsp speeded internet you can opt out

[42:21] if you want but it's run by the it's basically a public utility just like we

[42:25] have water and sewer we can do internet um there's places in New York that have

[42:29] done this with power which I think we are much too small for and I don't want

[42:32] that headache but ISPs are not as mission critical as something like

[42:38] sewer, water or electric. So it smaller communities have done it where you

[42:43] basically just say there's, you know, we're not in an area competitive enough

[42:47] where we have multiple providers competing to provide highspeed internet

[42:51] well here. So we want to do it ourselves. Um it would probably require

[42:57] a full-time person, but it would pay for itself. Um

[43:00] » would it be like revenue producing? Yeah, it could cover its costs, but u I

[43:05] think covering its upstart cost would require uh many years of payback andor

[43:10] grant support. So um it's just something that I think it's great, but we would

[43:16] need like

[43:19] if not a team of people, at least one person who wanted to spearhead it, and I

[43:23] think we're kind of lacking in that right now. Um and then last up, the

[43:28] doors. Um Casey Town is going to do like a three four hour uh install one and

[43:35] learn with RDVW. Uh my maintenance guys are coming so we

[43:40] can split the cost of it because we need to learn how to do it for our buildings

[43:43] as well. >> Are we starting on this building?

[43:45] » Wherever we want to do it. I would do this back door because then we can use

[43:48] the bathroom for the courts. Um, I think that's the most sense to and and he'll

[43:52] do this install while showing whoever from your, you know, if it's all of you

[43:57] guys or whatever. >> Do you know what he's talking about?

[43:59] » That's the access control doors. Casey's he said like if he shows us how to do

[44:03] one should be off to the races. >> Do we need a different front door with

[44:08] that being glass or with the metal there? Can we just

[44:10] » use the magnet or instead of the shirt require a new door? I love the idea of

[44:15] using fobs. I It tracks who's here when they're here. I think it helps with

[44:20] safety. It >> was just very expensive to have them do

[44:24] like stat or doy now. Um they quoted just this building at like 12,000 plus

[44:30] and that's when we already bought all the equipment. Um, and that's I've been

[44:34] trying to kind of solve around that. And I think just like the signs, okay, it's

[44:37] going to be something where we use our own labor to some extent. But rather

[44:41] than have you guys try and learn it from scratch, I think it's worth paying him a

[44:45] few hours of consulting time to like teach,

[44:47] » especially because we already bought the equipment and it's just sitting there

[44:49] doing nothing. So, we got to do something.

[44:52] » He said he'll be back in town next week. I'll get with you guys to schedule like

[44:55] a couple hours where you think you can have people free.

[44:58] » Perfect. Love that. >> And that's all for me. Unless anyone has

[45:01] any questions. Great.

[45:09] » Um, there was no rec committee meeting. Uh, nothing to report from the school. I

[45:15] already told you about the DPW. The only thing I wanted to mention, and I know I

[45:18] mentioned it briefly at the last meeting, is that the fire department's

[45:22] call volume has significantly increased. Um

[45:27] they had 87 fire calls all of last year. They're

[45:34] already at 77 for this year and it's August and they still have September,

[45:39] October, November. >> Total calls or calls they respond to.

[45:44] » Total calls and that they respond to. Um so just their call volume. Um they're at

[45:50] 316 already this year for all of them. fire calls, EMS calls, MVAs, they had

[45:56] three boat calls and two others. I don't know what the others are, but just

[46:00] putting it out there that our volunteers are bearing again the burden of so many

[46:04] high call volumes, lots of, you know, again, those calls in the middle of the

[46:08] night, whether it's the visitors center, which we do. I need to talk to you again

[46:11] about a Knox box. It keeps waking people up. We need to do that. It would just be

[46:16] easier if they had a Knox box there. I say we invest 800 bucks, put a box

[46:19] there. same, right? I It just would be easier

[46:23] so that they're not calling Lyn at two in the morning. They're not calling her

[46:26] at two in the morning. They've got a universal key. The key is already in

[46:29] there and it's just it's just safer for everybody. Um so I definitely want to

[46:34] move on that. Um but again, just the call volume, lots and lots of calls. Um

[46:40] » and sorry, this is so they can access the building.

[46:43] » The visitor center has gone off a lot recently.

[46:48] » This actually Also, these are alarms going off, not people license.

[46:55] And if Doyle can't interpret it properly, they just call the fire

[46:58] department as the standard >> and they could get in the into the

[47:02] building without having to bother somebody and reset it if they could just

[47:05] get in the building. >> And if there's a real problem,

[47:07] » and if there's a real problem, they're not waiting at the door. We don't want

[47:10] them kicking the door down. We would rather them have a key to get into it.

[47:13] So, >> um the I mean the fire departments use

[47:16] Knox boxes. That's just the way to do it. So, I would like, and I know we've

[47:19] mentioned it before, I just think it would be easier to put a Knox box at the

[47:22] visitor center. It's like encased in it. They have a universal key and then

[47:27] inside that is another box where the key to the visitor center would be in there.

[47:31] It would just be easier >> building or somewhere, you know,

[47:35] » somewhere where they would know where to go.

[47:38] » They I believe they're the ones that installs it. So, we would

[47:41] » have a key until we do the digital. Like, I'd be fine with them having a key

[47:43] to >> We talked about that, but there's 50

[47:46] firemen and how do we know which one has They don't stop here first.

[47:48] » Absolutely not. I mean, they may to get a truck, but they're not going to be

[47:51] rifling through a drawer for all keys to truck, but okay. I mean, there's three

[47:56] trucks. You just don't know which truck it's going to be and is it labeled and

[48:01] » um protocol is an ox. That's just their protocol. So, I would hate to throw

[48:06] something off and have a new fireman here and not know that there's a key in

[48:08] the drawer or in the trucker or something. So, I really would like a a

[48:12] Knox box, but that's all I had. Any

[48:17] questions for Kelly, guys? Thank you, sir.

[48:22] Um, just um the public swimming work group

[48:28] did not meet in August with everybody going in 10 different directions, but um

[48:34] I do have some additional information on the um financial side of things.

[48:41] Um Dave mentioned earlier the New York Swims grant program I think um there was

[48:48] not around um

[48:53] this uh this summer. So it's it's likely there would be another round in um after

[49:00] the first of the year maybe like January, February.

[49:03] Um if we wanted to pursue um public swimming and a splash

[49:12] pad as a um jointly as an overall project then then that would fit the New

[49:18] York swims criteria. If we wanted to um approach them on on separate tracks,

[49:27] then the splash pad is considered an ancillary feature would not be eligible

[49:34] for uh New York swims. Um however there are

[49:41] this this needs a deeper dive but there are other um grant opportunities for

[49:47] something like a splash a standalone splash pad. Uh for example the village

[49:53] of Carthage um they used um an unplug and play grant uh which is under the

[50:03] municipal parks and wreck program NPR. um they received a $900,000 grant for

[50:09] their splash pad as a standalone item. So um just something to consider as we

[50:16] go forward. You know, if um we're we're falling behind on one one of the

[50:22] projects and it looks like it makes sense to go forward on separate tracks,

[50:26] then you know, we may have to get creative with with funding options. But

[50:32] » um that's all I got. I uh I did speak with Thomas at uh structure marine

[50:38] briefly. Y >> um he was having trouble visualizing

[50:43] from me just talking at him. So I promised him a map with some diagrams.

[50:47] So I'll draw some stuff up and then make sure like you get eyes on it so it looks

[50:51] right and then we'll kick it over to him.

[50:53] » Okay. >> And those that's the group that did the

[50:55] docs. >> Okay.

[50:56] » Just to see like whether they think some of these ideas are doable or they'll

[51:01] know better. >> Floating dock.

[51:03] Yeah, wave attenuation, all that different

[51:06] » options that they'll they'll be able to give us a little more direction and they

[51:09] do that basically as part of their sales cycle. So they don't charge for

[51:15] » initial consult get it designed by them. >> Is I I know I asked you this. Um is this

[51:21] is this a local firm or they >> a Canadian? Yeah. Okay.

[51:28] » Right. They're >> Yeah. I mean he answered his voicemail

[51:30] starts in French that

[51:34] » like a real >> Okay. Have they done work in this area?

[51:37] Are they >> I mean they did our docs.

[51:39] » Oh, they did. Well, I thought it was Marcelus.

[51:42] » Well, so structural marine. >> Okay.

[51:45] » You guys want I I think I understand it right. They provide the docs and design

[51:48] the system and then Marcellis does the install.

[51:50] » Okay. >> But they're like the ones that say this

[51:53] is what you need for this wave level at this location

[51:55] » and they just sub out the actual install. Okay. I think they might do

[51:59] installs up there, but I don't think they're okay.

[52:02] » Probably not coming here right now. >> No.

[52:05] Okay. >> All right. Any questions for Greg, guys?

[52:11] » Awesome. Sarah, >> uh Dave covered most of uh what we

[52:17] discussed for the zoning rewrite committee that met right after or the

[52:23] week after our last uh board meeting. But if there are any other questions

[52:28] about that, we're still kind of working through a lot of details. So, more

[52:31] details to come as we continue to meet. Um, the other thing I had is just kind

[52:38] of a I was curious about why we don't have

[52:43] one of us as a liaison for the school board.

[52:47] » I am on it. >> You are on it? Oh, I didn't realize

[52:50] that. >> Just recently though, I was asked to

[52:52] attend the meeting. So, I've only been to two, three maybe.

[52:56] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[52:59] » And I just attend the meetings and I don't say much, but if they have

[53:02] questions or if there's a way that we can collaborate, then of course,

[53:06] » similar to the library, >> it's non it's just me to be there in

[53:10] case. >> Yeah.

[53:13] » Good to know. >> Thank you.

[53:17] Um, >> so do you guys have like are you leaning

[53:22] do you want to discuss a little bit about the short-term rental or temper

[53:26] like where you guys are at the moment or do you want to wait until you're more

[53:29] locked down? >> I think we need to be a little bit more

[53:31] locked down. We still have some uh research to do regarding

[53:38] things like municipality liability if we are issuing permits or licenses to

[53:43] short-term rental owners and operators. Um we've got a good grasp on our numbers

[53:49] now as far as how many there are in the village. We're uh I think we were around

[53:54] 2% uh of housing

[53:59] » one. Yeah, just just under 2%. Um, so we've we

[54:03] we're getting a good handle on it, but there's a little bit more to kind of

[54:07] dive into and then the logistical aspect of

[54:11] who will oversee it, who will be reviewing applications and and issuing

[54:16] them. And uh, >> you guys talk with the county yet? I'm

[54:19] I'm curious like what amount of information they're willing to share

[54:22] with municipalities because they're collecting that tax,

[54:24] » right? there and they're like, >> "Okay, because I like I have one where

[54:29] I've had a long-term tenant in the apartment above the liquor store for two

[54:33] years, but I leave the Airbnb up." So that sometimes people reach out and they

[54:36] say, "Hey, what about next year?" And then I just point them at the hotel. Um,

[54:41] but the county was like, "No, if you have that listing up, you need to file,

[54:44] even if you have no revenue, you need to file zero." And they were pretty adamant

[54:48] about it, so I I signed up. And it's not a hard process,

[54:51] » but I was hoping that they'd be willing to like share numbers and and maybe even

[54:56] like the revenue, you know, if we're saying you have to Well, the more

[55:01] information they'll share with the the village, the better, I think.

[55:04] » Yeah. We we've got >> we can use that lean on them for

[55:07] » them. Sure. Yeah. So there's there's definitely more work

[55:12] to be done in order to hammer out all the details, see what would be the best

[55:16] avenue for our small village to take, but we're getting there.

[55:21] » Cool. >> Yeah.

[55:22] » Did you speak with the business owner for the temporary structure?

[55:26] » Yes. >> And where do we sit with that?

[55:28] » I am waiting to hear back. I conveyed the information. Okay. Uh it was kind of

[55:33] situation where Janet still needed to discuss what we had discussed in the

[55:38] committee with the planning board. >> Okay.

[55:40] » See if they were um okay with the path we were taking.

[55:46] » Okay. >> And then that was conveyed to the

[55:48] business owner with no real response yet. So she said she was going to get

[55:55] back to me with a formal kind of response.

[55:57] » Right. So, we I we don't know if our delay is going to prevent or help them

[56:01] from opening or staying open this year. I just want to

[56:04] » Yeah, we we had come up with an idea, a mechanism to allow them to stay open

[56:09] temporarily just for this one more year, but

[56:12] » we're not sure if they're accepting that. Okay. I was just curious if we had

[56:16] an answer yet. >> I um

[56:18] just to be clear, right, the planning board

[56:22] is advisory in this capacity because we're we're writing a new law. this

[56:26] board will pass that law. Uh so we we want their input on what they want but

[56:32] effectively it's input not the decision and like the

[56:36] decision to pass the law is with this board

[56:39] » at the you know given the advice from your committee and then the planning

[56:44] board's job is to enforce the law that we write. Obviously we want their input

[56:48] but it's not the case that like the planning board should be writing this

[56:51] law directly. No. And and I don't think that's the approach that's been taken,

[56:54] but after five years of them having the back and forth at least to get their

[56:58] input, their thoughts on on the direction that we had been going.

[57:05] » Sarah, what's the um lead time that the business needs? Um I mean, we're we're

[57:13] in September and typically that goes up like

[57:18] November. It usually goes up in October. >> It's about a month. So, we're going to

[57:23] buy a new one. The old one's dead. >> They've already reached out. They what?

[57:26] They messaged us at the beginning of August and we still don't have an

[57:30] answer. So, I don't know what >> we do have an answer.

[57:32] » Okay. I mean, we do for the temporary one yet.

[57:34] » We got a pretty good answer in the middle of August. That being said, I

[57:38] don't know if it's enough time. I don't know. Okay.

[57:45] » I I just ordered one um for the the weddings and it takes

[57:50] I've managed to get lucky, I think, and got it in like two and a half weeks.

[57:53] About a month is the lead time I would >> I would consider for safely saying when

[57:59] I order it to when it arrives. >> Um,

[58:02] » well, the good news is the ball's in her court now. She has, I think, all the

[58:07] information she needs to move forward and and stay open this year if she so

[58:12] chooses and then a good solution for >> moving forward. Yes. Gotcha. Okay.

[58:20] Okay. Any other questions for Sarah?

[58:24] All right. Hope bring us home. >> Uh

[58:29] um the um town of H I have the three reports is the town of Houndsfield. I'm

[58:36] a liazison. They weren't able to have their meeting last

[58:40] month because they didn't have a form. Uh so that's null and bull. Uh, I'll be

[58:48] going tomorrow night. Uh, the library, I was uh there with them the other day and

[58:53] um they're still working on uh the ramp um and getting that situated. Uh they're

[58:59] getting ready for the October fundraiser of the quilt show and um

[59:07] and uh Octavia started a children's library um book club of some sort. Um so

[59:15] there's that. Um the big one is the um housing authority. Um there's been a lot

[59:22] that's been going on. There's a lot of community awareness of it now. There's a

[59:27] lot of fundraising that has been done. I have a whole long report here. Um so far

[59:33] we have $4,700 that we have accumulated over since July 4th. uh $500 Stephanie

[59:41] Elliott got from the uh bank, $340 from the ballroom concert the other

[59:48] day. Uh Beth Arthur and the township of

[59:53] Poundfield has donated a vacuum cleaner because the vacuum cleaner that they

[59:57] have is locked in a closet and the residents aren't allowed to use it

[1:00:01] because of United Helpers, which is the property management company, won't let

[1:00:06] the residents use it because it disappears. It gets somebody has sticky

[1:00:11] fingers and and it gets stolen. So, she with her their money from selling uh the

[1:00:18] empty cans and soda bottles and whatever bought a really nice uh vacuum cleaner

[1:00:24] and gave it to Beth, right? How's that going?

[1:00:29] » Very well. Very well. I had to tighten a few screws to handle.

[1:00:38] » Good, good, good, good. Okay. Uh, business cards for the upcoming events

[1:00:43] was donated by Brenda and Tim Towner. Uh, Judy Fentino uh made and contributed

[1:00:51] lanyards that we had made. the Chamber of Commerce, Michael Denhei, is setting

[1:00:56] up a website for the uh uh housing authority and and and

[1:01:02] giving uh PR time to Sack Harbor Heights. Uh

[1:01:10] raffle tickets. Beth Berdick is doing that. Uh latest news is they're

[1:01:17] continuing to look for a maintenance man. That's the big big problem that we

[1:01:20] have. We don't have a maintenance man. Um, United Helpers, uh, which is a

[1:01:25] property management company, will not allow for volunteers to be on the

[1:01:30] premises, such as your recommendation of having a volunteer day.

[1:01:33] » Did you message them or not? >> What?

[1:01:36] » You didn't message them, right? That's on my docket. Message United Helpers. We

[1:01:42] talked about um or Betsy, did you either message him

[1:01:47] about the rider or did you want me to do that?

[1:01:50] » I did not. >> Okay. So they they don't have an

[1:01:54] volunteer rider in their insurance policy. They're like a $100 to add. I

[1:01:58] think we can force them to add them. >> Uh they're

[1:02:03] » that's silly. >> They're difficult. Yes. I also my my

[1:02:06] answer was like, okay, well, if we do it anyway, what are you going to do? Like

[1:02:09] they're not going to you know what I mean? They don't have any enforcement

[1:02:11] mechanism to stop somebody from sweeping the floor.

[1:02:14] » Well, there's people that are already volunteering on a individual basis. for

[1:02:18] us to do a volunteer day. They were like, "Absolutely not.

[1:02:22] » Put face masks on and vigilante clean up,

[1:02:26] » right?" You know, >> but so we're we're gonna just talk to

[1:02:28] the insurance company and see if there's just a a cheap writer to add that

[1:02:31] covers. >> It said that we could paint the walls.

[1:02:34] The board members could paint the walls as long as they didn't get up on a

[1:02:38] ladder. And so then then we were like, "Well, let's get some volunteer stuff

[1:02:43] going on." >> Stand the board. Whoever wants to

[1:02:45] volunteer.

[1:02:47] It doesn't make sense. They're volunteers. You guys are not paid to be

[1:02:51] board members. It makes zero sense whatsoever.

[1:02:53] » It doesn't make sense. And it's it's >> Do you see Do you feel my frustration?

[1:02:58] » Yeah. >> No. Yeah.

[1:03:00] » USDA will not allow a tent or a pavilion of any kind for outdoor smoking. So,

[1:03:04] that's on the kibos and the residents aren't happy about that, but that's the

[1:03:08] way it is. uh their United Helpers is looking is continuing to look for

[1:03:15] affordable carpeting to replace the damaged carpeting from the flood back in

[1:03:20] 2019.

[1:03:23] Large trash items were promised to be removed and have still not been done. Um

[1:03:30] is the hornets nest taken care of? Probably not. Um there's it's just it's

[1:03:38] Anyway, a group of us went for coffee last week and talked to the women and

[1:03:43] they feel as though they are being acknowledged that they're in part of the

[1:03:47] community and we're trying to extend that since we have money that has to be

[1:03:52] designated for the purposes of the carpeting, the parking lot and the what

[1:03:58] else? >> The siding.

[1:04:00] » Siding. The siding. you know, you can't just paint the outside. You got to take

[1:04:05] down the rotten wall uh wood and so that's a big expensive and the 4,700 is

[1:04:12] there's no way that is that's going to cover that. However, um the community

[1:04:18] members are members of the community are going to have coffee with the women and

[1:04:23] trying to open the door of of a relationship with them. um

[1:04:30] providing a monthly birthday cake for them so that they feel included. Um the

[1:04:35] upcoming events for volunteer opportunities and donations by

[1:04:39] organizations is sac the sacktoberfest is going to allow participation and then

[1:04:47] contribute to the housing authority. Halloweenville is going to give a

[1:04:53] portion of their donations to uh the housing authority and uh Margaret Co

[1:04:59] says the craft fair and and holiday shopping will contribute money to that

[1:05:04] also. So um there's some really good things going on. I'm really proud of the

[1:05:11] people that have volunteered. Unfortunately, I'm seeing the same

[1:05:15] volunteers all the time. That's that's sort of the way it goes. Uh, if anybody

[1:05:19] knows how to face paint, we need face painters for the Halloween bill or to be

[1:05:25] a witch for the cauldron. That's that would be lovely. We we could have those

[1:05:30] things uh and and all of that money will will be in addition to um the

[1:05:35] fundraising. So therefore, if we can have volunteers go on the premises, we

[1:05:40] could use we could get cleaning fluids and and and spruce up the place and make

[1:05:45] the women feel included.

[1:05:52] That's it. That's what I'm hoping for. So, that's my reports. Any questions?

[1:05:59] » Yes. >> Um probably open a can of worms, but has

[1:06:04] uh since it flooded, has it been inspected to make sure there's not black

[1:06:08] hole and rot and electrical problems? >> I mean, I hate to see it as Bessie.

[1:06:16] Anybody else expected to make sure

[1:06:22] weren't damaged or anything? >> Fine

[1:06:26] protot.

[1:06:32] » Yeah. And there's >> Okay, that's good news.

[1:06:34] » Need a maintenance person to be able to do things and we cannot. They cannot get

[1:06:40] anybody. I've been asking around. I posted on Sakarago. Um, I've given it to

[1:06:46] Beth Arthur who said she may have somebody that would be interested. So,

[1:06:52] » you know, I mean, >> she's

[1:06:56] » one of the things we talked about at their meeting, guys, was um the rate

[1:07:00] they're asking to pay is not going to get, but they don't need necessarily 40

[1:07:05] hours of work. They'd be better served paying somebody talented, you know, for

[1:07:10] 20 or 25 hours at the same total weekly amount. Um, and so Bets's given me some

[1:07:16] contacts at United Helpers. And the two things I need to

[1:07:21] sort of find a way to politely but firmly say we need them to do is one,

[1:07:26] add the volunteer rider so that we could just take care of some of this

[1:07:29] lowhanging fruit with the people willing to do it. And then secondly, um,

[1:07:35] give us a little more autonomy on managing the hiring process and say,

[1:07:40] "Look, you have a budget of X dollars a week. let us be flexible with the rates

[1:07:44] you're paying so that we can find someone local who might be more willing

[1:07:48] to jump in and do this work. >> Nobody has even applied to find out what

[1:07:54] the price how much is being >> that's fine. I mean it's still a matter

[1:07:57] of like if you put a people know right people know what what United Helpers

[1:08:02] pays and I think if we go and post $35 an hour for a talented retired handyman

[1:08:06] to work $20 an or 20 hours a week we might find some people. So right now the

[1:08:12] gentleman is the maintenance guy over at um Shalom has been coming over and he's

[1:08:17] actually paid less over there than what uh United Helpers has budgeted for over

[1:08:24] here. >> Yeah,

[1:08:26] » it's it's a can of worms.

[1:08:30] They would be a United Helpers employee though, not an employee of the

[1:08:35] » letting us like help with the hiring stipulations. But

[1:08:41] » um >> what what is their rate?

[1:08:45] » 36 now. >> Well, and

[1:08:49] minimum wage is 1650 or something. >> That's tough,

[1:08:52] » right? >> But you can make that at McDonald's,

[1:08:55] » correct? that to them to tell anybody.

[1:08:59] » I think United Helpers has a reputation though and I don't think anybody wants

[1:09:03] to work for them and that's who it's with

[1:09:05] » the 22 other places. They they oversee 22 places. They do not have the issue

[1:09:11] that they have here with keeping the maintenance.

[1:09:15] So >> it's the same rate it

[1:09:18] » less. They're actually paying less over $17.

[1:09:26] If anybody knows anybody, give us the number.

[1:09:30] » But it's a full-time position, not a parttime.

[1:09:32] » 18. >> At 18, if we got them for 30 hours

[1:09:37] at $25 an hour, >> but United Helpers ask you.

[1:09:44] » Yeah. So, we'll we'll chat with them a little bit and see if we can get some

[1:09:48] » That's good. >> some movement.

[1:09:51] for people that wanted to do volunteer work and then we were told we couldn't

[1:09:54] do it. We were ready to rock. >> That's the the insurance writer. I think

[1:09:59] I'm pretty confident I can make happen because I don't have they have no reason

[1:10:03] not. >> I feel like they're going to find

[1:10:04] another reason to say no though. It just seems like that that's the no for right

[1:10:08] now because that's an easy one. >> I I don't disagree.

[1:10:10] » And then I think they're just going to find another reason.

[1:10:13] » I agree. >> But I hope it works. I hope that's the

[1:10:16] solution. That would be great. Well,

[1:10:21] that's what it is. >> All right. Any other questions for hope,

[1:10:23] guys? I didn't have uh any

[1:10:29] have no serious Oh, you got some more. >> Are you voting on this?

[1:10:32] » I don't know what that is. >> Will you send a letter out to to the

[1:10:35] board? >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I didn't make it

[1:10:38] onto the agenda. That was supposed to go under my report as well. Um are you guys

[1:10:43] did you guys uh get a chance to look at the We talked about it last month.

[1:10:47] Everybody good with it? >> Yeah.

[1:10:49] » Okay. >> Thanks.

[1:10:51] » I need a motion. Motion. >> Yeah, I need a motion to uh pass the

[1:10:56] » Can you make the motion? >> Okay. Sorry.

[1:10:58] » I'll make give me the thanks. I say right.

[1:11:01] » That's why I was like, do you need that? >> I will make a motion to accept the uh

[1:11:06] Jefferson County uh updated exemptions from the uh county planning and

[1:11:12] community development. >> I'll second that.

[1:11:14] » All in favor? Hi. >> Hi.

[1:11:17] » Thank you. >> Done. Yep.

[1:11:19] » Yep. >> Um that Yeah, that should have been

[1:11:21] under old business. That's my bad. I did not send it over to the office.

[1:11:25] » Uh anybody else have any old or new business?

[1:11:30] All right, we'll go to one last public comment.

[1:11:35] Anybody on Zoom?

[1:11:41] Anybody in the room? All right,

[1:11:47] » I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting. Second. All

[1:11:51] » in favor? I work. >> Thank you, bro. Good luck. We're done

[1:11:56] early.

[1:12:10] Um >> Alice, can I get you both sides for the

[1:12:18] electric vehicle grant? >> Okay.

[1:12:19] » Finally got the paperwork. So you need to sign

[1:12:25] so I can

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