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Good evening everybody. It is Tuesday,
September 15th, 2026, 5:30. I'm going to
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go ahead and call this meeting to order
and ask us ask the mayor to lead us in a
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prayer and pledge.
>> You can hear me?
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Please bow with me. Lord, thank you once
again for the wonderful city that we
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live in. Thank you for the citizens that
make this a wonderful place and our
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staff that keeps it clean and neat and
moving ahead. We thank you for the first
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responders. We ask that you watch over
them and protect them as they do their
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job and protect us and watch over their
families as they take care of the first
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responders.
As tonight we honor cancer issues, which
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is a issue with many, many people in our
community, but we have people that take
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care of the people that are hurting. And
we ask that you watch over and lay your
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healing hands on everyone that you can.
We ask that all we do in your name,
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Jesus Christ.
Pledge allegiance to the flag
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of America and to the republic for which
it stands. One nation under God,
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indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all. [clears throat]
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» Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
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» Kathy, could you call the role?
here.
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» Here
[1:43]
[clears throat]
>> you wants to talk about anything that is
[1:46]
not on the agenda today, please see
clerk Haley. She'll give you a form to
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fill out and we'll get to you later in
the meeting. Moving on to the mayor's
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report.
Well, really the only community report
[1:58]
that I have is with um garden week last
week. Had 40 different events that were
[2:02]
put together that TDC had organized and
did a did a really good job and I got a
[2:06]
lot of comments from it that that was
pretty active and for being the first
[2:11]
year it was uh pretty phenomenal for
what they had to put together. So really
[2:16]
if you think garden week what do you
think? I got to go hold the garden. But
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there was so many different events that
went on and had so many of our citizen
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merchants put together things that it
really it was really a cool idea. So
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what a good day. The other thing I have
is a proclamation and I'm going to go up
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here and I'd ask if I could have hope
come up please.
[2:50]
You can just fly over the top.
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and Christie. She's here since day one.
>> We are going to do a proclamation for
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cancer and prevention of cancer. And we
appreciate all that Diana done. She's
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developed the naughty girl events and
and organization
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and on October 3rd we light the circle
pink and have lot a big event on that
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day. So everybody's welcome to come to
that but here's the proclamation for
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whereas breast cancer affects
individuals of all ages, genders,
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backgrounds and walks of life impacting
families, friends, caregivers and
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communities throughout our nation and
our local community. And whereas early
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detection, education, and access to
screening continue to save lives and
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improve outcomes for those diagnosed
with breast cancer. And whereas
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survivors, caregivers, health care
professionals, volunteers, and advocates
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play an important role in hope providing
hope, support, and encouragement to
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those affected by breast cancer. And
whereas Naughty Girl Loves, Inc., A
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Highlands County based nonprofit
organization founded by a breast cancer
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survivor. Diane Albert
is dedicated to promoting breast cancer
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awareness, education, and early
detection through community outreach and
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advocacy. And whereas Naughty Girl
Loves, Inc. will host the third annual
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Light the Circle Pink event on October
3rd, 2026 in historic downtown
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Seabbring, bringing together residents,
businesses, healthcare organizations,
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survivors, and supporters to raise
awareness and encourage proactive health
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screenings. And whereas the light the
circle pink event embraces the
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organization's mission of racing to
educate and save lives while fostering
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unity and hope and support throughout
our community. Now therefore, I, John
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Chu, mayor of the city of Sebring,
Florida, do hereby proclaim October 26
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as breast cancer awareness month, and
further recognize October 3rd as light
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the circle pink day in the city of
Sebring, and encourage all residents to
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support breast cancer awareness, promote
early detection, honor survivors,
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remember those we have lost, and
participate in activities that
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strengthen the health and well-being of
the community. In witness thereof, I
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hear unto set my hand and cause with
great seal the city of Sebring, Florida,
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this 15th day of se September in the
year of our Lord 2026.
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Um
well actually I want this is the debut
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of hope. [laughter]
Uh she will be a part of the naughty
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girl team. Naughty girl is actually an
educator. She's a visual representation.
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You have to look it up. K N O T T Y
girl, but if you see the visual
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representation, it will teach you about
early detection and what to find. We
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promote mammograms. We promote t, you
know, knowing your body. Um, we also we
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men, one in a thousand men are being
diagnosed. Uh, one in eight women
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younger and younger women typically do
not get mammograms until they're 40. So,
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there's a lot of young women in this
room right now. And I am speaking to you
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because I was 40 years old when I felt
something. And so I'm 40% of the women
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out there that have saved my own life.
Um I will say that was 24 years ago and
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the mamogram did not see or detect it.
So if I didn't feel it, I I wouldn't be
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here today. And so with um that's why
she's called the naughty girl. And
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again, she's a visual representation of
what a knock can feel like in sea life.
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And so we also are a nonprofit that we
feel like we want to inspire and give
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you hope. And I recently have lost my
brother this last year to cancer. And it
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was something that I was grieving kind
of struggling with. And I said, you
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know, we all hope that there's a cure
for all cancers. You know, maybe there
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could be some kind of vaccine. I don't
understand. And so anyway, I decided
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that from that I was going to design a
mascot and I was going to call her Hope
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and her name was going to be Butterfly
and she's going to be a part of
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everything that we do and she is right
now I just smile because I know that
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sometimes I'm around people and they're
not smiling and I know when she walks in
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a room she will bring hope and you will
smile and that's helping through my
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grieving um because there's all kinds of
cancer. But I just thank you. I know you
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all came to several of you tonight to be
with me and support me. I thank you all.
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I think we've been uh like maybe eight,
nine years. Christie, uh the banners uh
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the city council always approved for
that. And in the last three years, we
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came with the idea, Christy and I, can
we just like uh light it up even more
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with an event? And so, um, you've always
supported us and and we thank you, um,
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for all my big ideas and my passion. I
really thank you. Thank you, Dr.
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[laughter]
[8:23]
She's graphic artist and uh, she's also
a Sebring High School art teacher. But
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14 years ago, she came to my office. I
told her what I wanted and she came back
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within a couple weeks. She put it in
front of me and I said, "That's exactly
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what I want." So, she's been with me
since day one for 14 years and I thank
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you.
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» That's it. I think that's it. Okay.
>> Wait, wait. We're gonna get pictures.
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» Are you smiling? [laughter]
All right.
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» Perfect. Thank you. Always smiling.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
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» Yeah. So, we'll see you all October 3rd
downtown Sebring like the circle pink.
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We have a lot of things planned. Uh from
the strut around the circle uh car and
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truck show, we have a parade. I mean,
there's just a lot of things. You'll
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have to go check it out. Like the
circlepink.com. Thank you.
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All I have.
>> Thank you.
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» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We're moving on to
the council members concerns, comments,
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and leaison reports. Start with
Councilman Stewart.
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» No report.
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I got nothing. All right. All right,
moving on to the consent agenda. Do we
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have a motion or do we have any
discussion on the consent agenda?
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» Motion we approve the consent agenda as
presented.
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» Second.
>> Motion second. Uh, anybody from the
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public who wants to speak about anything
on the consent agenda? Comments here?
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Kathy,
>> yes.
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» Yes.
>> Stewart,
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» yes.
>> Yes. Uh, there is no old business. So,
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moving on to new business with 10A with
a public hearing. Uh, so versa.
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» Yep. And this is a public hearing, so
I'm going to go ahead and open this up
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and I'll read the title of the proposed
ordinance. It is an ordinance of the
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city of Sebring, Florida, amending the
city of Sebring land development code by
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amending chapter 17 sign section 17-10.2
two, non-residential zone district to
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address signage for locations with
multiple businesses, providing for
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severability, providing for conflict,
and providing for an effective date.
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Thank you, Bob.
>> Good evening. For the record, Marissa
[11:06]
Barby with the Central Florida Regional
Planning Council. Next slide. Um,
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tonight we are here for first reading
for a city initiated amendment to the
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sign code um to address non-residential
signage. Next slide. So, there's
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different types of signage as we all
know. Um, one of the categories for
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non-residential is strip malls. And
strip malls like what you see here is a
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bunch of stores all put together and so
there's signage requirements for what
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they can do including they get, you
know, all those businesses get one sign
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on the front, you know, freestanding
sign. Next slide. Then you get a
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shopping center which is a bigger type
of use where again you get the one big
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sign on the front and then all the
people are in the back. Next slide. What
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we are not uh clearly addressing in our
code at this time is the type of uses
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where my business is in the back, you
know, like Publix is in the back or the
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big stores in the back and then we have
out parcels up front because our code um
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typically measures the signage you can
have based on how much frontage you have
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along that road. So under this scenario,
next slide.
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Oh, it's coming up anyway. So what
you're finding, sorry, go back one more.
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I'm sorry. So, right now our signs, what
you are allowed, you can have a
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freestanding sign. So, that's either a
pole sign, you can have monument sign,
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those are the signs that are by the side
of the front, by the road type signs
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next side, or you can have um signs that
are actually on your building. So, it's
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affixed to your wall.
Right now, our code says you get one
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freestanding sign for each road frontage
for your building. Um, if you are a
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single business and you are at an
intersection, you can have one for each
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road frontage. Then it says if you are
multiple businesses sharing a single
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building, you get one permanent
freestanding sign for all the building
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or facility per road frontage not to
exceed two uh freestanding signs. and
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that they cannot be larger than one
square foot of area for each lineal
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front of the premises measured upon the
street with no sign of exceed 300 square
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ft. So there's kind of that example of
that. So this again becomes our issue.
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These big businesses here, if you've got
these out parcels on the front, how do
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you measure against that frontage for
signage for those businesses?
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So we have some proposed text
amendments. First, we would be adding
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some definitions. We would be adding a
definition for big box retailer which is
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a singleuse building or connected series
of buildings typically with floor area
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of 75,000 square ft or more and often
comprised of distinct areas devoted to
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special functions or types of
merchandise. Uh these stores are often
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part of national or regional chains and
generally include large surface parking
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areas and a warehouse style layout.
Examples include home improvement
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stores, warehouse clubs, department
stores, and general merchandise
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retailers. We're adding a definition for
um def uh development complex, which is
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includes two or more separate primary
commercial uses or buildings on a single
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lot or on two or more contiguous lots,
including out parcels served by a common
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road or driveway, shared parking, and or
shared storm water facilities. and then
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a definition for master site plan which
is a formal city approved document that
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sets the rules and design standards for
all signage on specific property
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multi-tenant building or development.
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So under um section 174-1 it tells you
all the things you have to come in with
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when you apply for a signed permit. We
want to add consistency with the
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approved master sign plan as applicable
because there would be times when you
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would have a master site plan. So, we
want to make sure we're being consistent
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with it.
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Here under freestanding signs, you can
see we reumbered
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because what was number three now moves
down. Next slide. This was number three
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and it's now becoming number eight and
we're calling it multi- businesses
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single building or facility. We're not
changing the language here. This is
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what's in your code today. Um, and it
says you get your one permanent
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freestanding sign for the building or
facility per road frontage, not to
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exceed the total of freestanding signs.
So again, this is that strip shopping
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mall we're talking about. It's one
building with all the different things
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and you get your one freestanding sign
at the road for it. What we are adding
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is development complex. So we have that
definition again. So it's it's the
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complex we have shared parking. We have
shared storm water. You can have out
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parcels in it where one big development
complex. Typically the developer comes
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in with the plan that staff reviews and
goes through and it identifies here's
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the out parcels, here's how all the
parking and the storm water and all that
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would go. Um, we then say the
development complex would be entitled to
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a development complex sign, uh, one per
street frontage at the maximum size
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permitted for freestanding signs, which
is 300 square ft of area. No single
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tenant freestanding sign shall be
permitted within a development that has
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a development complex sign except for
out parcels. So, similar to what we have
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in the one above, we get one for the
development complex. If my store is in
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there, I don't get mine up front as
well. Um then it it would
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and I apologize there was language that
was supposed to come off of this that I
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didn't clip the right slide for.
Development complex signs typically
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identify the complex and identified by
name and or logo only each primary
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commercial use in the complex. There's
supposed to be a period there that
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however was supposed to come off. So I
apologize I didn't take that off the
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slide here. Um and then uh the
development complex sign shall be
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located on property contained as part of
the complex. Next slide. So this is an
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example of what we're talking about.
This is an example. You can see it's the
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development complex. We've got our big
big primary buildings. You've got some
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out parcel or buildings on the front and
where the red star is is where you know
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on that entrance out you would put your
development complex side. Next slide.
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Um, again, this is kind of that example
of what that is. So, you can see you
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have your out parcels, the buildings in
the back. They have shared parking.
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They're sharing their storm water
functions. Next slide. And here's what
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that would look like. This is um the
signage for the development complex
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there that says Premuk Lakes Mall lists
the, you know, anchor stores at that
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mall. It's in that road frontage, which
is development complex property. In this
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example, the Olive Garden, which is the
out parcel, also has their little side
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there. Um,
next slide.
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So, then we have a language added in for
out parcels and out parcels within a
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development complex may have monu
monument signage as long as the building
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does not share a common wall with
another building or structure on an
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adjacent parcel. The monument sign is at
least 50 linear feet from any
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development complex sign or any other
monument sign. Monument signage is
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intended to be directed at ground level
view and provide enhanced wayfinding.
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Monument signs shall not exceed 5t in
height, measured from the crown or the
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closest roadway frontage or average
adjacent grade, whichever is higher, and
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12 ft in length. Monument signs may be
doubleaced. Minimum set back is 5T from
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the right away. And the base of the
footer of the monument sign does not
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count towards the sign area as long as
it does not have content or exceed 3
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feet in height from the average adjacent
grade. Um, next slide.
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Then we have the language in for the
master sign plan. And the master sign
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plan is supposed to be developed at time
of site plan or subdivision plan to
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identify where the signage would happen,
what type of signage is out there. Um,
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if the develop developer wants to have
signed standards on there, that would be
[19:15]
included in that. Well, that would be
adopted in whatever plans they have with
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whomever is buying the property from
them. But at a minimum, we would have
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them show the boundaries of the parcels,
the parking lot layout and drive aisles,
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entrance and exits, and the current and
proposed signage.
[19:30]
Next slide. Um, then our section goes
into wall and fascia sign. So, this is
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what's put on the building itself. This
is what's in there for your single-use
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buildings. And it has the language
saying you get one um on businesses that
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front on a public street and walls that
are visible from a street. Um and they
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can't exceed more than one square foot
of area for each lineal foot front foot
[19:58]
of the premises measured upon the street
with the total not to exceed 300 square
[20:03]
feet of area. Next slide.
We are adding right now your code has
[20:10]
shopping centers and multi-use buildings
and we want to add big box retail to
[20:14]
that. So we have a statement added in
here to say if the establishment above
[20:20]
two or more streets the city
administrator or their designate shall
[20:23]
determine which road the building faces.
Um and that well my next slide has that
[20:28]
picture. So in here we're adding big box
retail and we are this is the provision
[20:34]
has the amount that they're allowed.
They're allowed if they have more than
[20:37]
two acres on a site, they're allowed one
and a half square foot of sign area for
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each lineal front foot of the building
frontage that faces the street that
[20:45]
serves the shopping center. That's
what's in your code today. Um, what
[20:50]
we're adding is to say you can put your
signage on the front side or rear of the
[20:54]
building, but individual sign shall not
exceed the 300 square ft. And the reason
[21:00]
for that is,
[snorts]
[21:03]
sorry, let me finish this and you I'll
show that on the next slide. Anyway, so
[21:07]
and then again, if you're in a
development complex, you would have this
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all of this approved as your master site
plan. Um, consistent with that section
[21:14]
we just saw. This next section said if
you were more than 40,000 square feet or
[21:21]
a multiuse building with more than five
users.
[21:25]
We took that piece out. It's kind of
confusing with the language that's above
[21:28]
it. So, this now says, "Wall signage for
anchor stores or uses with more than
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40,000 square feet in shopping centers
or multi-use buildings with more than
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five units users or big box retail
having more than two acres
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with access to an arterial collector can
be increased by 200 square feet when the
[21:48]
building is set back 200 feet from the
public right away. And the reason for
[21:52]
these changes is
right now your code says if you're as
[21:58]
you know more than five users if you're
a big box retail you can be
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um might be my next slide. Go to the
next slide.
[22:08]
Well Target's a good example. So Target
you go up they have the big Target sign.
[22:12]
They have CVS in there. CVS gets their
own side. Next slide. This is an
[22:17]
example. Ace Hardware. So Ace Hardware
wants to advertise. They do lumber. They
[22:21]
do hardware, they do paint, they do
plumbing, they have these different
[22:25]
services. And that's what we're seeing
with a lot of our bigger box retail. You
[22:29]
get in a store, you know, such as as
Target even or bigger stores, and they
[22:35]
have a vision center, and they may have
a tire center, and they may have these
[22:38]
different things. So, they want to be
able to advertise their different uses
[22:41]
even though they're technically not
different businesses. So, that's why we
[22:44]
have that language written that way so
that there's that opportunity to do
[22:48]
that. And we're saying you get ba and
the signage is based on the size of your
[22:52]
building. And the reason that's
important
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um there sometimes you'll see examples
where if it's just based on the sign,
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you'll get a teeny tiny little business
with a sign that's as big as it is and
[23:05]
then the Lowe's for example will have
the same size sign and it looks it it
[23:09]
look swallowed up on the frontage of
that huge building. So having it based
[23:12]
on the size of the building allows for
um signage that fits the building. And
[23:20]
then that provision which you is in your
code today is if I'm 200 ft back from
[23:25]
the road, I get to have a little extra
sign because we're recognizing we're
[23:28]
further step back from the road. Next
slide. So that's my example here. This
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is again it's the target. So where are
we figuring out what frontage are we
[23:37]
doing? So this is where the applicant
would sit down with the city manager or
[23:41]
designate to decide are we measuring it
from the red star, the gold star or the
[23:46]
blue star. And that's and that's where
and that's similar for when we're doing
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you know setbacks on property. Sometimes
that's how that works. You go okay well
[23:54]
you're you know which which one's our
frontage and what are we doing? And that
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allows
you know this technically has a road
[24:02]
here 14th Avenue. 14th Avenue is a tiny
little road. it's not the primary road
[24:06]
you're advertising to. So if it's the
service to the target would be the 14th
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Avenue, they obviously want to be
serviced off of the bigger road and
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that's what they would want to be
measured off of and that's that's what
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they would work with the city staff on
doing that and ensuring that the signage
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is compatible with the type of road
furniture they're on and the size.
[24:28]
So then what we are adding right now
your code allows for rear signs. We
[24:32]
wanted to expand that to allow for signs
on the side. Um, and right now it says
[24:38]
you can have a sign on the rear wall
which abuts either a street um, other
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than providing primary public access or
an alley. So, we're adding out parcels
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or buildings with adjoining parking lots
used in connection with such buildings
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shall be permitted to have rear or
sidewall signs facing over such parking
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lots. And then the square footage
requirements instead of just rear, it's
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rear inside. Next slide.
So this is an example of um Melo
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Mushroom. It's actually in Lakeland and
you drive on Lakeland Highlands and you
[25:13]
can see this is this side. This side
here with that sign. That's their
[25:17]
entrance to the to the parking lot. Next
slide. And then this is the view from
[25:21]
the parking lot and they've got their
signage there as well. So that's what
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this language is trying to do is to
allow for development here or signage
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here that addresses the three faces that
people are actually interacting with. So
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I didn't include a picture of it, but
the backside here where their dumpster
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is, there's no sign on that side, but um
next slide. This is another example. So
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this is inside the parking lot looking
at the front. This is obviously the
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primary entrance is all that with the
signage there. Next slide. And then this
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is you're driving down the main road
seeing the back, but you can go, "Oh,
[25:57]
look, there's the bike store. I'm gonna
stop at, you know, bike store on my way
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home from work today." So, there allows
for some signage facing that road on the
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back. Um, planning and zoning board did
have a meeting on this on September 8th
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um and voted to recommend approval with
changes. Those changes have been
[26:13]
incorporated into your packet. They did
also have two workshops on this disc on
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this language prior to their hearing.
So, this language has been um vetted
[26:22]
with them and your motions are here. I'm
happy to stand for any questions or
[26:27]
comments you may have.
[26:31]
Thank you very much. Does anybody any
from the public have any questions?
[26:39]
I'm going to adjourn the public hearing.
Moving on to council's questions,
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comments.
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» Fully educated on science. [laughter]
[26:50]
and I have none either. So, uh, that
being said, I'll entertain a motion.
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» Make a motion that we approve ordinance
on first reading and schedule second and
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final reading for October 6th, 2026.
>> Second.
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» Motion got second. Any final comments
from the audience?
[27:08]
Comments here? Kathy,
>> yes.
[27:11]
» Yes.
>> Stewart,
[27:12]
» yes.
>> Yes.
[27:15]
» Thank you very much. Presentation as
always. All right. Uh, any business from
[27:20]
the audience? I don't see any.
Moving on to city attorney's business.
[27:25]
» Nothing approved. Okay.
City administrator.
[27:30]
Good evening, council. Uh, the project
report is attached. Uh, made a couple of
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changes to the project. One of them was
with D.
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They do have recommended language that's
formulated by district one and they
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reported that toast for
their review.
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And then the other item was uh
the social district. We're still
[28:00]
investigating
potential legislation.
[28:09]
Thank you, Scott.
Kathy, you're up.
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» So moved.
>> Second.
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» Anybody has any questions about the
bills?
[28:21]
Happy call the role.
>> Bishop,
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» yes.
>> Yes.
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» Stewart.
>> Yes.
[28:27]
» Yes. That is it. We are judge.