[0:01] We're clear now that the United States is a little bit less.

[0:05] That's a great, it's a great, it's a great, it's a good.

[0:11] You know, it's good. You know, it's good.

[0:13] You know, it's good. You know, it's good.

[0:13] You know, it's good. That's true.

[0:16] That's my view right now, and then when I went to get rid of it, he comes.

[0:19] He had a pretty nice face, right?

[0:20] I was like, just like...

[0:21] Yeah, that's great. That's great.

[0:24] You can get rid of it.

[1:12] This is going to be a great opportunity to be facing that point and start the corner.

[1:22] So that's going to be a great design.

[1:25] It's going to be a flex group.

[1:28] I think it's going to be a flex group.

[1:32] I think it's going to be a flex group.

[2:44] I don't think the best thing we need here much.

[2:48] I want to keep this tomorrow.

[2:55] I want to keep this tomorrow.

[2:58] Let's see what we have.

[3:01] This one's the only thing I can see.

[3:04] If you're explaining the rules,

[3:05] I don't know.

[3:06] All right?

[3:10] I'll just let you know.

[3:13] Yeah.

[3:17] Here.

[3:20] Here.

[3:21] Here.

[3:22] Here.

[3:24] Here.

[3:43] So here's my, this is what I sent.

[3:55] Don't worry about Michael.

[3:57] We're not leaving at you.

[3:59] Hi, Michael.

[4:03] So I sent this to Kerry just before the meeting.

[4:07] So essentially, September, October, November, December.

[4:10] And the application received, like, this is the dates I put together, I'm going to have for, yeah, but all these are, I'm going to have all of those, yeah, all that's a copy of the past date of those, yeah, I'm all right.

[4:24] Thank you very

[4:35] much.

[4:46] Thank you.

[4:51] Sure.

[5:04] Good

[5:10] evening.

[5:11] It's 501 p.m.

[5:13] I call this regularly scheduled meeting of the city of Sherman,

[5:16] Planning and Zoning and Board of Adjustments and Order.

[5:19] I don't want. We do have a core present tonight. Before we proceed, I'm going to explain the

[5:24] meeting format for those in the audience. You're all familiar with it. Each case is called

[5:27] in order is listed on the agenda. Then we'll read the legal description and geographic

[5:31] location on the nature of the request and the applicant. We'll give an opportunity to present

[5:35] the request and then audience members will call for audience members to present their

[5:41] comments or questions or concerns about an item. And then the applicant will give an opportunity

[5:46] to address the audience's questions or concerns.

[5:50] If you're in the audience and you have questions, please direct your comments and questions

[5:53] to the board.

[5:55] Then we will ask the applicant to address those things when it's their turn.

[6:01] There's not two rounds.

[6:02] There's only one round of audience comments and questions,

[6:06] so that all that way you can't please the first round.

[6:10] And then public discussion will close,

[6:11] and an additional discusser considered action on that item.

[6:15] So now we'll continue with the rest of the agenda.

[6:22] OK, so we have, I've learned adjustments tonight.

[6:25] We'll be Mr. Glenn Whitaker.

[6:26] Mr. David Downtown, myself.

[6:29] Mr. Paul Manley, and Mr. Brian Black.

[6:33] I have two.

[6:34] Mr. Drew action minutes on the regular June 2018,

[6:37] 2024 meeting in Zoday, and planning and founding

[6:40] commission in the board of justice meeting.

[6:44] We'll see if we copy that ahead of time any adjustments or

[6:46] corrections to that.

[6:48] Now, I'll hear a motion on that item.

[6:51] I'll move through a group in minutes.

[6:53] So I can, I'll there say aye.

[6:56] Thank you.

[6:56] This is just an FYI for the audience.

[6:58] Those, our paintings are recorded now and they are online.

[7:01] So the minutes are abbreviated because you can watch full

[7:03] thing every time you need to have the words.

[7:08] Okay.

[7:09] I had a three as announcements.

[7:10] I don't have anything, but I know Rob has some announcements

[7:12] about patient changes and let off the meeting.

[7:16] Yes, starting in August, the City Hall building will be going under a remodeling, a phase

[7:22] of remodeling, so we won't be able to do our PMZ meetings here at City Hall for the next

[7:27] probably six to eight months. So I want to make a...

[7:30] Where that in August, the PNZ meeting will be located at the municipal ballroom, which is just across

[7:37] on the other side of L. Here, the main floor, that we do have two conflicts from our PNZ schedule that

[7:46] are not even posted on the September and October meetings. The Tuesday was already booked with the

[7:56] when they're following the Tuesday.

[7:58] So we will send out those candidory invites

[8:02] if they haven't already been sent out to all the Keynes E.

[8:04] Commissioners, but want to make that aware publicly

[8:06] that those two meetings will be changed.

[8:11] All right, then that was.

[8:12] Is that kind of October?

[8:14] Yeah, September 17th is moved to September 18th.

[8:19] And October 22nd is moved to October 23rd.

[8:25] Is the last meeting we'll have in this room?

[8:26] This one.

[8:28] And if you would like to look at your packet,

[8:29] you do, you can't see the remodel of the plants from the remodel of the city all

[8:34] billy.

[8:36] That's on consent, so please, we hope that you would approve it.

[8:41] I

[8:44] think you can get down there and present.

[8:46] That's it, and we'll move on to your citizen comments.

[8:48] So during this meeting in the planning, is on our Commission Board of Justice, we'll

[8:51] have a public comment on the agenda, I was listed under the opening portion of the agenda.

[8:55] And, of course, the Texas Government Code Section 5.5.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.

[9:00] But these matters may be discussed with city staff during regular business hours, but contacting them at times other than planning its own commissioning.

[9:08] There will also be an opportunity to speak regarding any of the public hearing items on the agenda when that item is presented.

[9:14] So, like I said before, after the presenter, then the item is going to speak on that item.

[9:18] However, to need to leave earlier something and you want to talk about something you have to turn now.

[9:22] We'll give you that opportunity to say anybody want to talk about the mid-connits and comments on any items that are on the agenda now.

[9:31] Okay, if not, and then we move on to the open public hearing this time, the process to identify the consent agenda.

[9:39] These are items in six and seven. These are asker items.

[9:41] Consider it to be routine and not.

[9:43] We're sure this is going to be enacted.

[9:45] And one motion without discussion unless a commission number will remember the audience or questions.

[9:49] Specifically to be discussed.

[9:50] You don't want exactly the entire two motion and vote.

[9:53] Is there anyone in the audience who would like to discuss items in five?

[9:56] I'm sorry, I'm just six, four, seven, before we consider them all at once.

[10:05] Not.

[10:05] And we'll move on.

[10:07] So we'll enter motion on our consent agenda.

[10:11] Move to approve.

[10:12] Right.

[10:13] I'll pay for say aye.

[10:15] Aye.

[10:16] Thank you.

[10:16] Opposed.

[10:17] Okay.

[10:18] So that brings us the item eight.

[10:20] Okay.

[10:20] 31.

[10:21] So how are we 75?

[10:23] Request to retail buildings, can we more to the associates and A and W

[10:27] surveyors?

[10:27] It's certainly probably located at 3.020 South Highway 75 being

[10:30] locked to our Sherman Crossroads Phase 3, and in the

[10:35] black lock industrial park, Lailock Commercial,

[10:37] over the district as follows for funding and zoning

[10:39] commission.

[10:40] Sideburner in the wrongs, ice cream and dairy store.

[10:42] So someone to present this item?

[10:45] OK.

[10:46] So when you're presenting, just please stay your name and your

[10:48] address clearly for the record.

[10:50] And then tell us a little bit about your project, please.

[10:52] Yes, hi.

[10:53] My name is Mighty Calville, 200 North Travis Street,

[10:56] a Sharda Texas representing Kimley Ward.

[11:01] I, our former city office, actually did this,

[11:03] but we're here to support locally.

[11:05] This is for the cycling, for girlside, the dairy, and the store.

[11:10] And it's located on the restaurants for work.

[11:19] And we've seen this item a few years ago, is that right?

[11:23] So it's just a renewal, any changes since we saw that and it was like 2022?

[11:31] Not my knowledge, but.

[11:39] Yeah, the site plan was approved back in 2018, originally.

[11:44] Obviously a lot has changed from the playwalk industrial or commercial overlay district.

[11:49] So this does the new plan that has been submitted does conform to our all of our current ordinances following review.

[11:55] We didn't get the reason this would typically be on consent, but we received the response a little late and so that's why we didn't get this off of consent.

[12:06] We didn't get that back onto consent for the agenda.

[12:12] Okay.

[12:12] So I'm over here and this is something I think informs.

[12:19] She graduates did this.

[12:21] Approximately.

[12:22] But then it's listed here during one twenty south highway, is it?

[12:30] Yeah.

[12:30] of these padsites.

[12:32] I'm going to have one address, right?

[12:34] Which one?

[12:35] It's a double number.

[12:36] 75.

[12:40] It's my understanding.

[12:41] All of the padsites are 75.

[12:43] 75.

[12:45] Those addresses.

[12:50] Like the brawls.

[12:52] I think that really well, the whole of the other ones are.

[12:55] What was the best ones?

[12:55] They're popping up there, so.

[12:57] Okay.

[12:59] Anybody else have any other questions?

[13:03] Thank you.

[13:05] Is there anyone from the audience to address this item?

[13:09] Okay, if not, maybe a minute, okay, now I'll hear a motion.

[13:15] Wait a minute.

[13:16] Second.

[13:17] Oh, favor say aye.

[13:18] Aye.

[13:18] Any opposed?

[13:20] Okay, that's the question.

[13:21] Thank you.

[13:22] I have a 90.

[13:23] 4300 block cock street.

[13:24] The request tomorrow at the tow bar tow bar properties.

[13:26] And help you add your survey and ink.

[13:28] Because I'm property located in the 4300 block cock street.

[13:31] Consisting out of 0.632.

[13:33] Here's being locked one and a part of a lot to block 31 hill top of states as follows.

[13:38] Planning a zoning public hearing and zone change from our sixth district to our five district.

[13:53] My name is Maritova and my head raise is a six toy pipe, Presto Melosron,

[13:58] which is a seven-five seat or nine-two.

[14:02] Can you tell us about this project? What are you looking to do here?

[14:19] Okay, we're trying to avoid to our six to our five.

[14:24] So, we'll try to build it on the floor for a house in there.

[14:30] We'll go for houses.

[14:36] We're not changing a lot of lines or anything.

[14:38] We're just going strictly to the zone change.

[14:49] When you say you've got to go for houses there,

[14:52] do you plan to split up that lot?

[14:53] We're changing the lines.

[14:54] We'll be about 50.

[14:56] It's in the eye by 120.

[14:59] Okay.

[15:25] Normally, come to us with an already plated into this. Why aren't we seeing them do a lot of lines with this? Do you just haven't just not decided how to split it up yet?

[15:38] Yeah, and they included that in the original application. Last month, this item was under, it was tabled, and it was under the cistern.

[15:50] For, for 41 18 Cystric Street, it included a larger area, but it was table at that time I believe Mr. Trobar didn't make it to the meeting.

[16:01] Since that meeting, he resumitted the survey with this example.

[16:06] But in the previous summit, he did show a lot lines for four lots that would be facing on co-street.

[16:13] So that is our understanding that that was their intent to do those.

[16:19] Does that mean that else will they be coming back with that?

[16:22] No, because they're next step if approved by P&Z in Council would be preliminary plan.

[16:27] Fine, fine.

[16:36] All right, thanks, guys.

[16:38] Is there anyone from the audience to the other side?

[16:43] Okay.

[16:45] We'll call this.

[16:47] I don't know any other questions.

[16:49] Anybody else?

[16:49] I just got so a question.

[16:51] I'm going to be sending that raw, and it looks like just

[16:54] it didn't work.

[16:56] The side of the property is that it's not seeing the limits.

[16:59] So then when you look at the survey,

[17:01] it is re-dress.

[17:02] Would you know where that might fall?

[17:04] I don't know what is on the map.

[17:05] It's a press.

[17:07] Is it?

[17:07] It's a shovel, very well.

[17:09] It's re-dress to a city street or a county street.

[17:13] I might defer that question to Wayne, as he starts

[17:18] looking it up since it's on the boundary. It's looking like it's probably not.

[17:35] Mario, do you know if that street exists?

[17:39] I don't think it's been built.

[17:42] So it's just designated as right.

[17:54] Essentially, it's just plated right away.

[17:57] Well, the reason I'm just a question is because that will be a,

[18:04] It looks like that'll be a couple of a lot.

[18:06] And with the corner of the side, set back, has that?

[18:10] And does the end of the room, I don't know.

[18:12] Does it seem like the end of the room?

[18:13] We have to wait for the platform to come through.

[18:17] Yeah.

[18:17] Do you start any of the doors on them?

[18:20] Yeah.

[18:20] I don't know if they see the outside, OK?

[18:22] Yeah.

[18:23] All right.

[18:23] You'll take that up and back.

[18:26] I mean, yeah, that was the requirement for the quality

[18:28] part of the portion of it.

[18:30] I think it's got almost 55 foot front-inch

[18:35] So it's possible for that to make that work.

[18:39] Yeah, based on that's an average of 55 feet per lot.

[18:43] But he could do 50 each lot and have a bigger end lot.

[18:52] I don't know.

[18:53] I don't know why it wouldn't work.

[19:04] All right.

[19:05] Is there a motion?

[19:06] Yes.

[19:06] I'll move to a group.

[19:08] Okay.

[19:08] All right.

[19:09] All right.

[19:10] You both.

[19:11] Okay.

[19:12] the next step. Okay, the racist item 10.

[19:16] Twenty-eight out one block.

[19:18] Blue flaning road and twenty-nine out of block.

[19:20] I think that's six, nine out of one.

[19:21] They're the rest of Chad McDeath, the O-L, the O-L L-2,

[19:24] the other seat, and Joseph Joyner, D-2,

[19:27] Summerville, and I'll see him under the direct one.

[19:29] Survey, concerns are probably located in the twenty-eight out one

[19:33] block. Blue flaning road and ten out of block.

[19:35] That's ninety-nine out of block.

[19:35] Number of six, nine out of one.

[19:36] track one consisting of 21.676 acres being a part of the DIVM Milligan survey,

[19:44] abstract number 575 DC shelf survey, abstract number 1097 and de-Harrison survey,

[19:50] abstract number 587 and being a part of track one into track two consisting of 23.565 acres

[19:58] being a part of DC shelf survey, abstract number 1097, abstract one consisting of 67.842 acres

[20:05] to being part of the S.M. and survey F-Shark number 621 and Track 2 consisting of

[20:10] 1.0, 490 years being part of S.M. and survey F-Shark number 621 as follows.

[20:17] Your planning is on in public hearing and zone change from C1 district to R4 district to R5 district

[20:23] and R6 district to F.M Highway 691 over a district to a land development of joiner ranch.

[20:31] Yes, sir.

[20:33] Thank you.

[20:33] Mr. Chairman, Mr. Commissioner, my name is David Davis, 1830, Silver Side, Prairie on Texas.

[20:40] I'm with the D2 Development. We have this property under contract. I've been working

[20:45] it for about a year now. And I have been before you with zoning on various pieces of it.

[20:53] And we're now coming back to put this into a plan development, something district.

[20:58] So some of the things that we want to do is something to see.

[21:01] wants us to do economic, island, and in the ultimate development plan.

[21:06] I'm really here to answer any questions, but since we're going to be able to get this finished.

[21:14] I'd just like to add to that, Mr. Chairman, the D2 or David Davis has applied for zone changes

[21:21] on the southern portion, underneath Blue Flame Road, and a different applicant in the last

[21:26] couple years has requested zone changes on the north part.

[21:29] He's coming back essentially taking both of those recently zone properties and trying to put him into a planned development.

[21:37] Council, this property is less than 200 acres, what's being requested.

[21:42] And they did take this in front of Council to ask for approval.

[21:46] Anything under 200 acres, but above 100 acres requires Council approval before applying for it.

[21:52] And they received that approval from Council last month.

[21:57] So

[22:03] I'm looking at the zoning map and can you describe to me where these previously

[22:09] resumed sections are?

[22:15] It's a little bit hard with that, so the hatched area is the hatched area of south

[22:22] that's kind of blue hatched.

[22:23] That was resumed to R5 and it has a mix, what their proposal was, a mix of

[22:30] Our five and our six homes in what their original proposal was. The property to the north of blue flame, that hatched blue hatched there. It was a resound as commercial, along 691, with pockets of multi-family. That was the PMZ Adam and Council item, where a built rent was proposed and was denied by Council.

[22:51] All right,

[23:03] okay, so on your conceptual plan, it looks like you're trying to put in most of the

[23:08] I think that's the other one side and commercial.

[23:13] Yes, the multi-family commercial one, from 691 down to the yellow area, just north of Blue Flame Road.

[23:23] We anticipate that for you to watch that was originally zone for our forward and then bring that back in.

[23:35] We

[23:42] go to the joint or ranch plan development document.

[23:48] Go to page two.

[23:52] Page two under residential standards.

[23:54] Can you kind of just, I mean, maybe just call it out for the record for the public.

[23:58] Looks like you have some maximums on some of these zoning.

[24:02] questions here, just take us through your thought process on that and what those limits are for.

[24:09] Yeah, we probably worked through that 20 in the last week.

[24:14] Our original proposal was to have everything south of Blue Flame Road, being 15, 60 for a lot.

[24:22] And then everything more of the Blue Flame Road to be either 40s or townouts or multifamily.

[24:30] This was our joint effort to kind of put percentages to that big block of zoning categories

[24:37] that you're looking at, so that, and I'm fine with what we came up with and how the breakdowns

[24:43] work in terms of not being over, you know, 8% of our fives or 40% of the our four wars.

[24:52] These percentages of maximum work, this gives me more flexibility as the market changes

[24:58] to move things around as I need to under the P&E and still conform to the zoning.

[25:07] Our concern of staff was that what was originally submitted could essentially allow for 40 foot,

[25:12] or 40 foot loss could be built throughout the entire residential district.

[25:18] So this essentially ties them down, although he wants flexibility, it also allows us to say,

[25:26] Well, we do want to mix abuses and we are mixing housing types, not just off 40 foot

[25:32] lots.

[25:34] So, what you can look at.

[25:35] And on the town, on what you're saying, using a different measure to 15 acres, what's the total

[25:41] acreage of this?

[25:42] Is it the 81 plus the 67?

[25:44] Which is 172 acres total?

[25:51] And the residential district is 76 acres.

[25:57] So essentially, take 15 acres off of that.

[26:00] That's your total residential.

[26:01] So a town crunch would be somewhere around 8% at that 15-acre maximum.

[26:10] Yeah, I didn't notice that the town home was included in your single family and breakdown, as opposed to multi-panelists.

[26:16] So for you, as a town home, individually planted lots, not one lot with 10 units on it.

[26:26] Well, that's a good question.

[26:28] We've done it both ways, I'm not sure what the market wants here, but I've never done one with more than five to one building, but they are individually planted.

[26:40] They're just connected.

[26:41] Yeah, that makes sense.

[26:43] So yeah, more likely to be sold.

[26:44] They are sold.

[26:45] Yeah, they are.

[26:46] They're not.

[26:48] They're not.

[26:51] They're.

[26:51] And your point.

[26:53] You said the units shall follow the base on any districts of R6, R5, or RTH of Sermon's zoning

[27:00] ordinance.

[27:01] As it exists, or it may be amended, except as known to here in.

[27:05] I grid through this, and maybe

[27:11] this, I didn't see anything that varied from them.

[27:17] So basically, when we talk about R5, R4, or R4, RTH, it follows what is established already

[27:24] determine zoning definitions for those at this time I'm asking for no

[27:29] variance.

[27:31] Just the flexibility of having a mix of housing and

[27:36] lot types within that residential district.

[27:39] So they don't have to come back every single time that they were doing

[27:41] straight zoning.

[27:42] They have to amend the zoning district and do go through the whole

[27:45] three month process again.

[27:48] But if they were to change that, if what they defined our five

[27:50] as changed and different from what we defined it as.

[27:54] That would have to be detailed.

[27:56] No, no matter.

[27:57] So based on the way that this has been proposed,

[28:00] they would have to build the lots based on our current zoning

[28:04] ordinance.

[28:05] If it's a 50 foot lot, 40 to 50 foot lot,

[28:08] it would need to follow our four regulations.

[28:10] If it's a 50 to 60 foot lot, it would need to follow our five

[28:13] doesn't, bad regulations.

[28:17] The way you have these limits,

[28:19] We could end up with a maximum density of, well, at 8% down almost 40% r4 and then that played us with 52% in r5 and no r6.

[28:36] That's correct.

[28:41] Do you have attention to that r6?

[28:43] But to include r6 in this?

[28:45] To be it's market driven.

[28:47] What we came up with is if the way this is laid out, if I wanted to do it all r6 I could.

[28:53] And that's the reason to substate it that way.

[28:58] We feel like market right now has once in 50s and the few 40s.

[29:04] I think our current zoning are our current layout as 30%

[29:08] between our 30% and 40s.

[29:11] And everything else is 53% now.

[29:17] Would you make it work with the minimum number of our 60s?

[29:23] I'd like to leave this flexibility way it is.

[29:26] But I think with the minimum number of our 60s,

[29:51] We do more to the big lots, and that's the shoving of the big lots.

[29:57] I would like to hear the minimum as well.

[30:03] I don't know what to do right now. I kind of work for council. I kind of work for the citizens. I don't know. This is a executive decision stuff, but executive opinion, but I don't know what to do as a commission.

[30:26] Just come

[30:31] on, come on a little while you know, keep the kind of these are good thoughts.

[30:35] Would you like to sing the plans I currently have it?

[30:41] Yeah, we're going to grow this.

[30:44] Is there any speed at all emphasis on this?

[30:50] Yeah, I'm going to be clear that.

[30:52] I like this.

[30:53] I do, but I just want to see a minimum number of our sex as well.

[30:58] All right.

[30:59] This is the plan that we currently have.

[31:02] These are our forces.

[31:04] These are our wars.

[31:06] That probably will end up being our five.

[31:09] And not four wars down there.

[31:12] They'll maintain also them.

[31:14] And to spend time out on the questions.

[31:16] Family.

[31:17] We got a minute, so you can see 60's in here.

[31:22] One time.

[31:24] Was it as a patient?

[31:25] This thing is incredibly expensive.

[31:28] We're all because there's a reason why I'm going to try down the center of this.

[31:31] And there's massive stuff that would also work on the side.

[31:35] So I've got 12 of it in the middle of the painting wall

[31:37] as it was in some parts of the painting wall.

[31:40] So it's going to be a view, so it's more a lot.

[31:46] So those are forms.

[31:48] That looks like it's way less than 40% of the view.

[31:52] It's third.

[31:56] They brought up the view.

[31:57] All the work on this view for a while.

[31:59] I don't really know what's just a bad view and same but bad view.

[32:03] We can lock it into that R4, I would like that, but it's something I can see and quantify, so that helps in making a decision.

[32:11] Yeah, and our back and forth was, hey, there's no, there's no acreage limitations, it's just all.

[32:18] Then we had a discussion back and forth. What is the maximum or minimum that you can, that you can be comfortable with?

[32:27] But it's, if the board feels like we need less 40, 40 foot lots and a minimum requirement of 60 foot lots, that's up to, to this board and to make a decision on whether they, you, you all would like to do that.

[32:45] And how many R4s are on here?

[32:48] About 30 percent.

[32:50] I'd love it.

[32:55] And that was way less than 15 acres per town.

[32:58] How could you, okay?

[32:59] So that's what I think.

[33:01] And what's your R5?

[33:02] I don't want you to take away the place.

[33:03] But that's what we see in that.

[33:05] I do like that.

[33:09] Why don't we talk about that?

[33:13] Yes.

[33:13] Yes, area.

[33:14] It's not four weeks.

[33:17] We could add some count.

[33:18] And I'll see you in the comments.

[33:22] So, you know, lock in the seven on our picture.

[33:27] The best exactly seven, I could say,

[33:29] that you want to download a little bit in 15.

[33:33] Questioner.

[33:34] Well, that I've come here, if we could lock in the R4 in town,

[33:37] because whatever that combination is,

[33:40] if you want to make a bottom R4 town,

[33:42] how is this exact 15, that's what they've done max.

[33:46] So that is that other third part of the long term one.

[33:50] That's the same thing as the first one.

[33:57] The right down, I'm sure one of the 1217.

[34:03] This is something I'll...

[34:04] Was you remember that was the R4 at the town count?

[34:10] We got 5, 1, 6, 3, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8,

[34:18] 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8,

[34:27] 8, 8, 7, 7, 8,

[34:32] 7, 8, 5, 8, 8.

[34:32] The thing is, to biting by the entire acreage, the one on the other.

[34:36] Just the acreage of the single-family lives.

[34:41] That's not the way that works out.

[34:49] Yeah, because your percentages are based on how good we have the read on shine.

[34:56] I guess 49.8% of all.

[35:16] So that would be third, we'll just say third one percent.

[35:23] It's a very slightly convertible.

[35:25] It was

[35:33] that five.

[35:37] Kind of more than one.

[35:38] One second.

[35:39] So that.

[35:43] There's two questions.

[35:46] All right.

[35:49] That was a good idea.

[35:50] I think that's an executive session.

[35:51] So the planning is on a commission.

[35:52] We'll now hold a closed executive session.

[35:54] We're going to start up to the Texas Open Media Executive section.

[35:57] Five, five, one.

[35:58] One, two, one.

[35:59] You can solve the city attorney.

[36:01] That's a little question.

[36:01] So we'll be right back.

[36:02] Okay.

[36:02] Yes, five, two.

[45:38] Okay, it's 542 and we're back in session.

[45:44] So, can we go back to a plan development document to again?

[45:55] Okay, so, we talked about the single family limits that you're suggesting here.

[46:02] And then, enough we've mentioned multiply family.

[46:05] But down below, it says no more than 75% of C1 and F30 for the whole project, right?

[46:13] Am I reading that right?

[46:14] So actually the commercial district, 75% can be multi-family of the C1 slash model.

[46:24] We're all about what kind of five percent.

[46:25] Okay, so that's not the whole project.

[46:28] All right, good deal.

[46:33] So I'm assuming that there's a point at which this doesn't work for you.

[46:36] It doesn't make sense, right?

[46:39] But I really want to see a minimum number of our successes.

[46:42] And so, city, what do you think you could make work?

[46:49] It's my understanding that the city is just perceived

[46:52] a new housing study.

[46:54] And the housing study, as I understand,

[46:57] was really kind of focused on more forward in the housing.

[47:01] The larger those lots, the more expensive they are

[47:03] from our developers, the more expensive they are to sell.

[47:07] You know, right now I don't have room for our sixes

[47:12] In my current plan, if one can find the townhouse of the R4 and put a lid on that, I'm okay

[47:23] with doing that, the setting of minimal number of 60s.

[47:28] I don't have to get there from here because I mean I'd have to tell the river in the language.

[47:35] So, if at this moment in time, I had a work

[47:40] to understand why it's even listed in your

[47:42] media.

[47:49] Basically, it was a conversation that Robin I had essentially, since it was originally

[47:58] all its own for R6, he was kind of given me the flexibility of what R6 and if I wanted

[48:03] to, and I was fine with it.

[48:05] I didn't put it in there, but it's there, and I'm fine with it being there in this

[48:11] If you're going to pull my feet to the far end, so I'm not going to have to go back and

[48:19] really work on what you're pretty on.

[48:22] Would you like to take this out?

[48:26] You're performing out, too, but I think that's fine.

[48:33] All right.

[48:34] Okay.

[48:34] Anything to add to the audience?

[48:38] No.

[48:39] Thank you.

[48:44] Thank you.

[48:45] Thank you.

[48:45] Thank you very much.

[48:46] Okay, is anyone from the audience to address this item?

[48:50] Yes, sir.

[48:56] Yes, good evening.

[48:58] Mark Miller, 15900, Julie Road, Addison Texas.

[49:02] I'm here tonight representing wholesome.

[49:05] We are the world's luck largest cement company,

[49:08] and the operator of numerous,

[49:10] for any mixed concrete solutions all over the Texas.

[49:14] I don't come here tonight to necessarily

[49:16] necessarily opposed to the ranch or opposed development as a cement and ready

[49:22] mixed convertible producer. We're certainly very pro-business. When I am very

[49:27] concerned about it and I'm sure is planning his own staff, y'all mind, share my

[49:32] concerns is the incompatibility that we have between two very chasing uses. Mr. Ray

[49:39] you may have gotten the letter, the wholesome wrote.

[49:43] So, yeah, so I'm glad you're here.

[49:45] I was up in the talk about this.

[49:47] Yeah, so I'm a wholesome certainly operate back in that.

[49:52] Rather, it's included an area of choice row for 30 or 40 years.

[49:58] And I have two, I have several questions for the developer,

[50:02] and then really wanted to reinforce the ask here tonight

[50:06] In addition to the question, really to ask is that, and this is really odd for me to hear

[50:13] question use.

[50:15] I'm usually the guy that goes to airings and asks all the homeowners to test their might.

[50:19] So I do that all over the world Texas.

[50:22] Because I do it, and I see how stirred up people get over industrial uses.

[50:27] And I know he also did too.

[50:29] That's what concerns we have.

[50:31] We have, you know, some reasonably high density residential going in,

[50:34] immediately and actually go back to the map there, the zoning map,

[50:44] yeah, one more, maybe one more.

[50:48] That's, no, it's a zoning map.

[50:51] Now, I think it's a zoning map, is that a show plan there?

[50:54] No, it's that one.

[50:54] Maybe it's the conceptual plan.

[50:59] There we go.

[51:00] So that area that is sort of the dirt-looking area that's all into heavy manufacturing zone,

[51:07] and have them for quite some time.

[51:11] You can see that there's a very close proximity to the uses.

[51:18] Again, like I said, I'm not here to stop doing a rant or to propose.

[51:23] Some things we might do to maybe mitigate future experiences

[51:28] and future conflicts with the two.

[51:31] Well, I guess we could say for argument, potentially, in parallel uses.

[51:35] One is, it's been my experience that residents of users usually are in love with my kind of facility.

[51:46] They're not usually in love with writing which plans even though you need writing which plans to build their homes.

[51:53] And I worry that, as we move forward in this development gets built out,

[51:58] There could lead two future grievances.

[52:01] Future complaints within the city could be a burden on code enforcement officers,

[52:07] even to all of you, certainly to us.

[52:11] So simple ask in our letter is to provide personal transparency and put the potential requirement

[52:22] that the folks know that they're coming in and they have an M2 zone more or less next door in.

[52:30] I think next door, if you see the yellow there, that's immediately a bunch on the east side. I assume that's residential. That's how I read that code.

[52:40] I guess that leads me to a question. In a couple of questions I have, in addition to the ask to maybe provide just some transparency.

[52:50] You work open to variety methods. We've worked with other jurisdictions, adjacent to our plans that this notice requirement seems to have worked for them.

[52:59] But the green space there, it seems like the green space is a good idea, I understand that this development has a lot of green space, which I know is probably important to develop or any of y'all, but having the green space is a buffer so that those residents are immediately adjacent, now I know that there's a small buffer between those two uses and I believe that buffer is a little bit of bottom land and maybe a rail right away through there.

[53:26] But second, I guess first question is, why the residential right begins this and other questions

[53:33] what?

[53:35] Well, the landscape buffers be maintained.

[53:38] There's a significant tree line in there between the two zoning districts.

[53:43] Well, the tree line be maintained.

[53:46] And what other sound and attenuation might be provided by the developer just so that, you know,

[53:54] But as they build out their high quality development, there's noise in my community.

[53:59] Because we are in our community in too zone.

[54:03] Again, I feel like I'm rambling on quite a bit here.

[54:05] I will stop and have to answer in questions.

[54:09] All right.

[54:09] I think I'm going to get this into the second question.

[54:13] Thank you very much.

[54:15] Thank you.

[54:16] Anyone else from the audience?

[54:18] You're saying?

[54:23] On the future land use map?

[54:27] Where does it have to and industrial fit in, or does it just not, and I don't see any of it?

[54:35] Yeah, this thing worries you.

[54:37] In the comprehensive plan that was adopted in 2022, this area wasn't identified as an area that was for expansion of manufacturing uses.

[54:49] That doesn't mean that the existing manufacturing uses

[54:52] are to go away, but over time, that as things change

[54:58] and as the development occurs, that the city council

[55:02] approved for this area to be more residential focused.

[55:07] Just like, but I'd like to note, though, Mr. Chairman,

[55:10] that, you know, based, and I appreciate his comments,

[55:13] the properties are already zoned residential,

[55:15] and Artis owned R5 currently south of Blue Flame and a portion of it is Artis owned R4 North of Blue Flame.

[55:25] So the entitlements are currently already there to build single family there already.

[55:32] So the change from what is being proposed and what's out there currently is not much different other than the flexibility.

[55:41] But I understand that concerns for sure.

[55:44] Okay, last of all, anyone from the IITs?

[55:48] All right, if not, then uh, Mr. Davis, if you'd like to respond or you have anything

[55:55] that, you can't comment about proximity to residential and also the questions about tree line.

[56:01] I appreciate this position.

[56:05] I have built them against railways in different industrial areas in the past who just did

[56:13] the project and the Lothian that was adjacent to the industrial area, and we've got the

[56:20] 30 or 40 foot KD trail right away on the eastern side of our property, and his side.

[56:30] And we do that heavy trees along there that we're not going to take after and part of the

[56:35] development plan plus.

[56:36] We've got a lot of open space on that side of our RV, going all the way at 691.

[56:45] So, our highway trip is going to go down through there.

[56:48] I don't foresee a problem with a resident system,

[56:52] but I have to go through this.

[56:56] We brought half, hasn't given us a few days later here.

[57:00] Did you have any discussions with that?

[57:02] Just received a letter.

[57:03] Other than their first review that they did,

[57:05] I provided those comments along with my comments

[57:07] to the applicant,

[57:11] and they didn't make those changes.

[57:13] I got a proof, you know, I said, are you good with these changes?

[57:16] We made those changes both from ask comment and my comments,

[57:19] staff's comments, and that's what's in front of you today.

[57:30] Thank you for the question.

[57:32] But this request from Olsen for we're asked to, say,

[57:37] A or A to the restrictions to amendments to legal documents, I don't believe I've ever seen this commission ask be asked to approve or deny those types of things before.

[57:51] That would have been our jurisdiction to do.

[57:59] It's asking for,

[58:03] like, burgers to be added to every feed, and it

[58:33] seems out of the ordinary.

[58:38] Yeah,

[58:43] I've never seen one of these particular types of eating either.

[58:47] I don't know that this before.

[59:14] I just want to make a comment, I've heard all the discussion I've heard of everyone's thoughts about

[59:21] single-family, further definition of minimums and maximums just by my recollection.

[59:29] This PD has more a greater percentage of single-family as opposed to other uses than any other PD that I've seen,

[59:37] maybe since Heritage Ranch.

[59:39] So I'm pleased with it.

[59:42] I've seen, I've read this study of the excerpts of the study

[59:46] that people have referenced at said a majority of housing

[59:49] in Sherman is unaformable for a majority of its residents.

[59:53] So when we talk about putting a minimum on our six,

[59:57] if the development does not believe the markets coming.

[1:00:00] Drive it and an independent study says that that's not what people have for them.

[1:00:06] That's not going to be a big deal for me to include that.

[1:00:20] I think we're in an excerpt from it that was published.

[1:00:25] Here's where I'm meeting out.

[1:00:31] We're out there at the city council's review.

[1:00:33] that study now? We're about to leave you with it. Yeah, we, our consultant, we hired our CLCo

[1:00:40] at a Boston to their real estate consulting firm to conduct a housing study. They've been doing

[1:00:46] that for about the last two or three months. They presented the draft results of that to Council

[1:00:52] of the budget meeting of June. And that draft report is not a final draft yet, and the Council

[1:01:00] we'll be meeting with the consultant on one of the ones later in August to go over some

[1:01:07] of the final.

[1:01:11] So city council hasn't necessarily given that report as guidance at this point.

[1:01:17] Not yet.

[1:01:20] Yeah.

[1:01:20] And that once that report is complete, we will make that public on our website.

[1:01:30] Not sure if you want me to mention just that some of the brief summary that they provided

[1:01:36] was that multi-family were generally in the budget workshop based on the pipeline, the

[1:01:42] development pipeline that we have, from multi-family were pretty close and having enough

[1:01:47] capacity and from multi-family units moving into the future, but another statement, as Paul

[1:01:53] mentioned from his news report.

[1:01:57] There is an affordability challenge.

[1:01:59] As we are all aware of, we hear about often, and the affordability challenge

[1:02:04] according to the consultant is often solved by smaller homes and smaller lots.

[1:02:18] Mr. Davis, the map we've had earlier, yesterday when we were showing you where we had it.

[1:02:32] Will we see this again once he has a more final?

[1:02:36] You will see cycline and in-class.

[1:02:43] Can we somehow record this and get just a group to review that?

[1:02:47] Yes.

[1:02:47] David, can you leave that with us?

[1:02:49] Exactly.

[1:02:50] Yeah.

[1:02:50] I'll send you a look.

[1:02:51] We'll include that in our minutes.

[1:02:55] Is there any other questions?

[1:03:01] Any more questions?

[1:03:07] We'll be back tomorrow.

[1:03:08] I'll just get up for a motion.

[1:03:15] We'll move to approve the proposal.

[1:03:18] Subject to this staff.

[1:03:19] Do you like it?

[1:03:27] All right.

[1:03:27] All in favor of approval say aye.

[1:03:35] I'll take over the Bosing, say I,

[1:03:45] the split, didn't even so, just doesn't really carry either way.

[1:03:49] Can you take your another motion?

[1:03:53] Okay, we'll hear another motion, somebody's ready.

[1:04:22] Based on

[1:04:25] that thing, that you'll provide, which I'm calculating,

[1:04:30] at 31% of town loans in R4, which would lead 69% for R5.

[1:04:36] He's already saying, well, you are safe.

[1:04:38] So I'm fine with that a lot of thing up.

[1:04:45] It's well reduced potential for four things.

[1:04:50] 8,000 columns.

[1:04:51] But you're saying that the P, the P, the NMR,

[1:04:53] the NMR, the maximum of, at 31%, which would then lead R5

[1:04:57] the maximum of what?

[1:04:59] Well, technically, you have to combine R, T, H and R,

[1:05:03] to max it.

[1:05:04] The NMR is same for, OK.

[1:05:06] I don't have the time, I don't have the time.

[1:05:10] I don't have the time.

[1:05:10] I don't have the time to do.

[1:05:11] Because these got to change some of that R4 to town,

[1:05:14] depending on the development of the relationship.

[1:05:17] So I'll just say 31% town loans and R4,

[1:05:22] and it will be 6% R5.

[1:05:28] Good morning, Mr. Chair.

[1:05:30] As long as that's specific enough.

[1:05:33] I think you're going to try to do that.

[1:05:38] I think that's clear enough for me, and how to edit that for it to take it to council, so long as, you know, I want to make sure the applicant's feel comfortable with that as well, but at least it's do it that it's do over.

[1:05:59] All right, so we've already had a motion in a second.

[1:06:01] and set it to step and the hat for you.

[1:06:05] Well, this is the hat for you, because it's just a seven.

[1:06:08] So there's no step for you.

[1:06:10] Look, all of their say, on high high, any opposed?

[1:06:16] OK, that's fast with those described.

[1:06:20] All right, thank you.

[1:06:21] Good luck.

[1:06:22] OK, there's a song to your item 11.

[1:06:29] 1, 2, 1, lock north, 1, the road, the request of A S7,

[1:06:32] One chairman of the S3LPE Council, Craig, HFA, and liquidity.

[1:06:37] It's starting to probably located in the 42-metre block

[1:06:42] worth more of a lake load.

[1:06:43] He's just the point 9499 acres being about 7-1,

[1:06:48] chairman of town center section 2, as follows.

[1:06:51] Playing his own equation of public hearing and zoning change

[1:06:53] from C1 District 75 and 82 over the district

[1:06:56] to the C2 District 75 and 82 over the district.

[1:06:59] Public hearing, site planning, specific use permit,

[1:07:02] under section 14-06-09 to allow the media to repair audio work painting in a C2 district 75-182 of the district.

[1:07:11] Yes, ma'am.

[1:07:12] Hi, my name is Kelsey Crayer. My address is 1775.

[1:07:16] About Walton Boulevard, Bentonville, Arkansas, 727-12.

[1:07:22] I work for the architecture and engineering firms as part of this project.

[1:07:26] and then, um, part of the problem we have, some moment or first.

[1:07:31] We're asking for a couple of zoning items on this property. It's just south of a talk of self-development, north of July. We're asking to raise on the property from existing C1, retail business to C2, general commercial, and then along that we're asking for a specific case request, which will help me business operations of lovely, to work there as well.

[1:08:02] And you look at the operations of the business if that's helpful.

[1:08:07] We got very simple and those are all.

[1:08:12] They match our business model.

[1:08:13] It's just a file change facility.

[1:08:16] So there's no picture of her happening up to say,

[1:08:19] no vehicles left overnight.

[1:08:21] The model is you can see.

[1:08:22] The second one is behind the building.

[1:08:24] The car is pulling to the bay where the services are performed.

[1:08:28] that takes about 15 minutes or so.

[1:08:30] And then of course, I said, don't drive or talk a plan.

[1:08:33] I'm really observable.

[1:08:36] So no concerns about cars being thrown outside

[1:08:38] or outside of the base.

[1:08:41] And then can answer any questions about their first?

[1:08:44] OK.

[1:08:46] So you're not doing body work or painting.

[1:08:48] Correct.

[1:08:49] Rob is that just in here because of the way

[1:08:51] the word is written.

[1:08:52] That's correct.

[1:08:57] U, B, H, Holmes, location.

[1:08:59] But yeah, that's a word.

[1:09:00] If we, if we fruit the SUP, could some of the else come by location later and start doing

[1:09:07] voting or can we exclude that in our, it could be similar to what, what request have been,

[1:09:14] it's just meant for the valvoline, the applicant, and if that changes, then they would

[1:09:20] need to get a new SUP. That can be a condition. I don't believe that that's in our staff

[1:09:24] review letter, so if you desire to do that, you need to add that to the motion.

[1:09:29] but at the time to be able to get out of it,

[1:09:32] it should be the other eye of the circuit.

[1:09:37] But it's actually part of the issue.

[1:09:39] We're going to want it.

[1:09:40] So we don't have the ability to just tear apart

[1:09:45] the zoning definitions.

[1:09:49] We can't exclude the use that's for her and S&P.

[1:09:52] Yeah, you could.

[1:09:55] And Valveline's business model is the quick service,

[1:09:58] you know, staying in your car.

[1:10:00] So that's what they're applying for, if you tie it just to babbling, then...

[1:10:07] I think it would use when there's like a spoon in there's a bodywork.

[1:10:12] Yeah, I wish I could believe that's fine.

[1:10:16] Let's carry on.

[1:10:17] I have an issue with that, you know?

[1:10:20] I have y'all been tired.

[1:10:28] What's this included?

[1:10:29] I've got a James Wichord 100.

[1:10:33] About the way, what's in the Kentucky?

[1:10:36] All we do is all changes.

[1:10:38] We need any annual changes.

[1:10:39] We do rotate tires, take them off, and then back on in instances

[1:10:42] when it's necessary, but that's all done within the 15 minutes

[1:10:45] service.

[1:10:46] The other thing is we also do transmission flush

[1:10:48] is not filtered changes, so we don't take off the panis just

[1:10:51] the flush, that's all done in the 15 minutes.

[1:10:53] You can be surprised how fast our employees do work within the

[1:10:56] Bay Area and Service, it's all part of our DNA

[1:10:59] for erasing history and everything.

[1:11:01] So we don't do any paint on a body or none of that other stuff

[1:11:04] it's not our DNA or function or what we do as a company.

[1:11:08] So everything's done.

[1:11:09] At the bay, it's at the bay, no vehicles you left overnight,

[1:11:12] and things will get it.

[1:11:13] Get out, off they go.

[1:11:18] All right.

[1:11:19] Thanks.

[1:11:19] Thank you.

[1:11:20] What was there anyone from the audience to address this item?

[1:11:24] Hey, not, then your motion.

[1:11:31] I want them to prove something to the staff that you learned.

[1:11:34] I don't want to be tied to this, I don't want it.

[1:11:37] That in your restrictions.

[1:11:40] And it's a good point tied to the,

[1:11:42] we have to press you.

[1:11:45] I need you still to say it.

[1:11:47] OK, so all of their say I have any of those to get as fast as they can.

[1:11:54] OK, I don't have 12, 710, less birch street.

[1:11:56] The rest of the minute, Nathaniel Rodriguez,

[1:11:58] and he'll be like you're serving.

[1:11:59] It's already the property looking at 710, less birch.

[1:12:02] And it's just thing of 1.093 acres.

[1:12:04] to be in a part of the JB Meckinger survey.

[1:12:06] I have a check number 7663 being all of the locks.

[1:12:09] One, two, three, four, and five.

[1:12:11] Block two, a purchase addition.

[1:12:12] And currently, it's owned art alone

[1:12:14] from the smallest report of adjustments.

[1:12:16] Block three, art consisting of 0.785 acres being a part

[1:12:21] of the JB Meckinger survey.

[1:12:23] I have a check number 7663 being all of the locks.

[1:12:26] Three, four, and five had a part of Block two,

[1:12:28] a purchase addition to public hearing.

[1:12:29] And variance, intersection 14, 0, 2, 0, 5 to allow a 1.4

[1:12:34] but side setback move the required 10 foot for an existing cart work.

[1:12:39] A lot three are consisting of 0.7, 85 acres being a part of the JV

[1:12:43] mechanism or survey at Stacked number 7, 6, 3 being all of lots 3 and 4 and 5.

[1:12:48] And a part of a lot two approaches.

[1:12:50] The addition of public hearing and variance under section 140 to 0.5 to allow 5 yard or 5 foot

[1:12:56] side setback move the required 10 foot for an accessory dwelling.

[1:13:00] And the complaining is on a flat of Rodriguez edition.

[1:13:04] Yes, sir.

[1:13:05] Yeah, good evening, David Bacca, 100 rolls of Travis.

[1:13:08] I'm here representing the owners.

[1:13:10] So we've got a couple of things coming up before you.

[1:13:13] There's the the platform, but before we can get the platter proof,

[1:13:16] we've got to go through and take care of some variances.

[1:13:19] One of the variances is noted as the car port.

[1:13:22] That's an existing car port that was there when they bought the property.

[1:13:25] It's probably been there in two decades.

[1:13:27] But just to clean that up, we want to get that approved.

[1:13:29] And then the second one is, because the accessory dwelling is 680 square feet as opposed to 500 is the max where we can put it 5 feet off the property line.

[1:13:41] This one is 680, we were asked if we could redesign it. Also, we're wanting to, you'll see, we've got another two mature trees that we're working around.

[1:13:51] So we were asked if we could redesign it to make it fit differently in that space, but this is an existing house.

[1:13:57] It's a historical home from the Kennedy that's being moved to the Sherman area, and so that we put a picture of it up there.

[1:14:06] And it's going to be repainted to actually blend in with the existing house next door.

[1:14:13] So that's the reason for the five foot sit back variants, because of those trees they don't want to cut those down,

[1:14:20] because they're nice mature trees, they shade the pool area and they'll shade the house so if at all

[1:14:25] a hospital we'd like to keep those

[1:14:32] process works, so this is how I'm going to restore the home.

[1:14:36] We'll give you the date.

[1:14:37] I don't know if you can come out and watch it.

[1:14:40] I don't know why it is the dwelling.

[1:14:43] So it's this portion is 15 feet wide or actually about 14 and a half.

[1:14:49] There's a small bell at the back and the total width is 22 at the back.

[1:14:53] It'll be sectioning it to move it.

[1:14:56] It's coming in one more piece.

[1:15:08] When I'm looking at this picture, I'm saying, help me.

[1:15:11] It's reused to stay here.

[1:15:13] Where? Okay, so from there, can we go back to the site plan?

[1:15:18] We're just standing on the site plan and you take that picture.

[1:15:21] I'm standing when I took the picture, you see the property line on the far left, going all the way up to

[1:15:29] Byrge, I'm standing about right at that property line in the street.

[1:15:33] On the street.

[1:15:35] So there's that you will see those other docs up there, those are the other trees that you see at the front of that picture.

[1:16:53] we change though, is there a reason you can fill in that?

[1:16:56] Yes, because they just got to reason to art 12.

[1:16:59] And art 12 has, I've got to know from it.

[1:17:01] So yeah, we don't see a lot of art on it.

[1:17:03] But this has just got to prove those are the new,

[1:17:06] it's only district regulations for this law.

[1:17:10] I've got all four people here, but.

[1:17:16] It's typically approved these when it's already there,

[1:17:18] but this isn't really there.

[1:17:20] Is this attempt just to save these trees?

[1:17:24] Does that really depend on trying to save trees?

[1:17:28] Yeah, the two issues here are, and like Mr. Baka said, we met with him in previous to this meeting to try and figure out what's the best way to forward on this.

[1:17:40] Two issues are them saving trees and not cutting down trees. That's very important to the city right now.

[1:17:46] That's important. The other thing is because they were bringing a historical home.

[1:17:49] We did ask David if it could be redesigned and the answer was, well, the design's already done and things, the building exists.

[1:17:58] So, what those two factors, that's where, that's the reason why staff came out of this,

[1:18:03] uh, recommending to agree.

[1:18:06] I mean, I just see the building that, yeah.

[1:18:10] We can take out the North mature tree, but get that thing all the way to set back,

[1:18:14] It's losing one tree.

[1:18:16] Look, on the trees, there's a lot of other trees that are staying here.

[1:18:21] So would it just be one tree lonely?

[1:18:23] Those are the biggest trees on that side of the lot.

[1:18:26] The other thing is that that site is very well manicured

[1:18:29] well landscape.

[1:18:31] And so I have that same thought.

[1:18:35] But there's a pool right in the middle.

[1:18:37] And all of that is heavily landscape.

[1:18:39] Like nice landscaping, not just grown over bush.

[1:18:45] it's it's it's it's it's well-mannered here and they still own if you look at the

[1:18:49] flat they actually go and one R and two that's correct so

[1:19:01] yeah there'd be

[1:19:02] able to move that house into it from the side as least it does point that we do

[1:19:09] That last time, when we clap for staff, review a week.

[1:19:16] And there was no way to move the R to R 3 R line.

[1:19:20] Is that exactly considered?

[1:19:21] Not without conflict or making more variances for the lots.

[1:19:26] For those lots.

[1:19:27] We tried to figure everything out.

[1:19:31] I wish you some more proposals like this to take large lots that are beautiful in the

[1:19:36] store and we're only adding to the character values.

[1:19:38] I'm going to put five feet as much as I can.

[1:19:44] I'm going to put five feet as much as I can.

[1:19:48] All right, I'm going to hear a question from Board of Adjustment.

[1:19:51] Move to approve.

[1:19:52] All fairs out.

[1:19:54] All right.

[1:19:54] On the post.

[1:19:55] All right.

[1:19:56] This is the motion from the plane zone.

[1:19:58] Yes.

[1:19:58] We have to approve subject to this tab.

[1:20:00] Pretty good.

[1:20:02] Second.

[1:20:02] All fairs out.

[1:20:04] All right.

[1:20:06] All right.

[1:20:06] It's fast.

[1:20:07] And we have to start.

[1:20:09] Okay.

[1:20:09] Okay, I'm 13, 20.25, take some of our earthquakes across the bottom of our data prior to sort of which I think it's surveyed, it's sort of the problem.

[1:20:16] You're working in that photographic factor.

[1:20:18] Some of our earthquakes, this is the at 9.995 acres being walked one and blocked one.

[1:20:23] It's just a good addition.

[1:20:24] It's called the support adjustment.

[1:20:26] Public viewing variance intersection, 14.02, 017, 2.1.

[1:20:31] But side set back and load of our 15V for an existing structure.

[1:20:36] public hearing invariance under section 14.02, 017 to 0.02.03,

[1:20:43] clear set back and go to the required 25.

[1:20:45] For the existing structure, the planning is on in public hearing.

[1:20:50] And site plan specific to experiment at the approval under section 14.06,

[1:20:54] above 9, to allow an automobile motorcycle boat or trainer sails,

[1:20:59] do or use the C2 district 75A to overlay district public hearing and

[1:21:06] public hearing and hearing,

[1:21:08] site planning and specific experiment

[1:21:09] through will intersection 14 to us,

[1:21:11] 1099.

[1:21:12] So that will be a laundry car wash

[1:21:15] in a C2 district,

[1:21:16] 75 and A2 over the district.

[1:21:19] And public hearing and hearing,

[1:21:21] site planning and specific

[1:21:22] experiment, approval,

[1:21:23] intersection 14 to 609.

[1:21:25] So that will be able to pay

[1:21:27] a quality work

[1:21:28] or painting in a C2 district, 75 and A2

[1:21:31] over the district.

[1:21:32] Yes, sir?

[1:21:33] Love a day of pride with about over 26 to channel real-time.

[1:21:40] We're screen-to-18 emailing, and letting them go.

[1:21:42] Can't take this.

[1:21:45] I'd say I thought I guess we've been selling a course for 50 years.

[1:21:49] I mean, I don't know.

[1:21:51] Now, you know, I'm going to be able to get a slide.

[1:21:53] That's not that.

[1:21:55] It's nice to clear this up.

[1:21:57] So there's a lot of stuff that's already in existence that has been for a long time.

[1:22:01] It looks like A and B is both for existing structures.

[1:22:03] C is obviously been taking place for a long time and I guess E as well.

[1:22:09] So really the only new thing here is we're trying to be everything up to spec and you're adding our wash that current.

[1:22:17] Okay.

[1:22:17] Should you guys not have car washers here before?

[1:22:20] Yes, we do.

[1:22:21] We have one on the back of the key of building at the bottom.

[1:22:23] But we're going to add, we're going to be coming back.

[1:22:25] We're going to have 10, 12 days on the back of that building.

[1:22:29] 20 workspace.

[1:22:31] So we're going to move through the dual tunnel car wash, if like an expansion of the car wash.

[1:22:44] So, because of that expansion, they required to get an SUP, we actually said, since you didn't have an SUP for the other stuff, which is because they're probably existing on conforming, let's just get an SUP for the whole property cover everything else so you can move forward.

[1:22:59] We also did not nitpick and look at every little detail of of the existing operation

[1:23:06] Science and things like that because this isn't something that they had to do we requested them to do it and they're willing to do so

[1:23:13] So we didn't want to be overly burning some on them because all they really needed to do was get the SUP for the car wash

[1:23:30] That's just the definition we have in the Zoning Hornets for Carlosh.

[1:23:34] Interesting.

[1:23:36] Yes, it's just stuck for a lot of decades.

[1:23:40] Very big machine.

[1:23:42] All right.

[1:23:43] All right.

[1:23:43] Let's see if you guys have a staff to be let it.

[1:23:49] They call it a new masonry trash enclosure.

[1:23:52] Let's be 30 feet long by 10 feet deep.

[1:23:58] I'm going to sleep.

[1:23:59] I don't know.

[1:23:59] Is that on exactly?

[1:24:01] Anywhere?

[1:24:02] track the trash, the trash, the trash dumps, the dirt is in the middle of the parking line.

[1:24:08] You can't see it from anywhere.

[1:24:09] Well, it's not going to be moved when we're doing the other two.

[1:24:12] Oh, isn't it?

[1:24:14] Yeah.

[1:24:14] We're going to drive now, trying to get into that power line.

[1:24:17] We're going to move now.

[1:24:20] Try to kind of follow up your strategy and see it.

[1:24:22] So if we move it to the east, it's behind the building.

[1:24:24] You can't even see it.

[1:24:25] Yeah, you still want to have an easy road regardless for our purposes.

[1:24:28] It doesn't necessarily need to be on the top of the cycle.

[1:24:31] and does it, it just needs to comply with the staff and do you look?

[1:24:35] Right, that's my issue.

[1:24:37] Yes, it's like a new agency address.

[1:24:40] Is that even part of the plan?

[1:24:43] And that was part of the solid waste review of this application,

[1:24:50] to make sure that it was that.

[1:24:52] That was their comment.

[1:24:54] Yeah, this says the name.

[1:24:55] So the existing is fine.

[1:24:57] The name must be applied.

[1:25:03] All

[1:25:08] right.

[1:25:09] Is there anyone from the audience who dressed this item?

[1:25:13] We have not any questions from the board.

[1:25:18] Okay.

[1:25:18] Any motion from board of adjustments?

[1:25:21] We need to get that.

[1:25:24] We need to get that.

[1:25:25] It's only the second.

[1:25:26] All the fairs say aye.

[1:25:28] I suppose.

[1:25:29] Okay.

[1:25:30] Is there a motion for planning something?

[1:25:36] Submit to stop.

[1:25:38] All right.

[1:25:39] All fairs say aye.

[1:25:40] on your post.

[1:25:42] Okay, it's past.

[1:25:43] Thank you.

[1:25:45] Okay, at 14, 5114, probably Avenue.

[1:25:47] The request of Shannon and Kerry, Amy,

[1:25:49] publicly landscaping, it's sorry,

[1:25:51] the property located at 5114, probably Avenue.

[1:25:54] Just the appoint two, three, five acres being a part of the GT

[1:25:57] back in her survey, abstract number 7, 6, 3.

[1:26:00] And being a part of law, one block two,

[1:26:01] westward, desert, desert, desert, and current,

[1:26:03] these old R6 district is follows for one of the

[1:26:06] Well, look here in the variance, under section 140206 to a 9.7 foot side set back on the south side property line,

[1:26:15] move the required 15 feet for a existing structure.

[1:26:19] Then, public hearing variance under section 140206 to allow five foot set back on the north side property line,

[1:26:28] and move the required six feet for the existing structure and public hearing variance under section 140206 to allow five foot set back

[1:26:35] on the north side, property line, and literally required six vote for a new addition.

[1:26:41] Yes, sir.

[1:26:42] Chan, by the way, I will one more colleague and I'm in Texas.

[1:26:46] So this is our private residence.

[1:26:49] And the shown here is the existing home.

[1:26:54] And then in red is proposing as a new addition.

[1:26:58] So as far as the north side of the property, the existing structure is what it is.

[1:27:03] It's 150.

[1:27:03] in the 1950s. So that five foot set back, we did it by ownership.

[1:27:10] And so what we're proposing, we're asking permission to do with respect to that is that

[1:27:15] the existing structure that we're, that's kind of inside the line, behind what I'll call

[1:27:22] the house proper is currently in 11 by 20 feet foot space that my best guess is it was a

[1:27:33] filled in and closed,

[1:27:37] but there's just a lot of things wrong with it, and make it

[1:27:40] unhappable really for just looking to this. So our proposal is to tear that structure down,

[1:27:46] because it's significantly lower than the existing roof line. I think one of the pictures

[1:27:51] is I can actually, I'm a six inch tall, I can actually test the ceiling. So it was a, it was

[1:28:01] and have them water flow out under some gaps in the water.

[1:28:04] It's just, it's just not, it's never intended to be a living space.

[1:28:07] And what we'd like to do is turn that into a combination of family room,

[1:28:12] to expand it, to widen perhaps that living on 20 free space.

[1:28:17] But then also along the north side of the property to match through existing,

[1:28:21] or close to match the existing north wall of the house,

[1:28:26] that five could sit back and extend it back to that 23 foot space and create an ensuite closet

[1:28:33] and ensuite bathroom and then a utility room that's off of that bathroom on the North

[1:28:40] side.

[1:28:40] And then the south side is currently just an uncovered portrait area and what we'd like to

[1:28:46] do is to extend that roof line out to that insect corner and just make that part of the

[1:28:54] we would cover kitchen, cover patio space, and so we would put a new foundation, you know,

[1:29:00] new concrete on all that, and so we would just basically create some on-sweet rooms and

[1:29:06] I had a bonus frame around for that structure, so we could even improve. I mean, make that space

[1:29:12] a little right now. We have stored it and we keep those there and we walk through it to the back

[1:29:17] and it was also a build structure that it's another mind-level and it's seeing it's appropriate.

[1:29:23] Anyway, so that's what we'd like to do.

[1:29:26] I may have written the initial application, consider it on the South side.

[1:29:33] I'm not proposing that we go all the way to this 9.7 foot line.

[1:29:38] That's a different group of pitch.

[1:29:40] Just coming out to this corner, this insect corner, which I think.

[1:29:44] I'm a math is about 20 feet and set 20 in addition in excess in the 15th of

[1:29:51] variance.

[1:29:52] But hey man, that's kind of what we're supposed to say.

[1:29:55] If you're talking about the session in where it's labeled as this space, it will become

[1:29:58] a cover patio.

[1:29:59] Yes.

[1:30:00] So it'll actually be just smaller than what you're suggesting, what is the deadline.

[1:30:09] Now, what I'm proposing is right now, that's just an uncovered patty, that's just a patty, just a patty of a slide.

[1:30:15] And so, because the roof hitches this way, I'm asking that we'd be allowed to just continue that roof pitch on back to that 23-foot spot.

[1:30:28] And then there's an insect corner there that's part of the bedroom, window, and what we're

[1:30:36] asking that red line should really match up with that insect corner that's just right

[1:30:43] even with the current.

[1:30:45] Is it different than what's being shown on the screen?

[1:30:48] No, no, no, no.

[1:30:50] Not though.

[1:30:50] I may not be making myself clear, but right now, so all we're doing is we're opposing as far as

[1:30:58] reflon, the framing is to just tie in and mass the existing framing that goes from that

[1:31:05] north point to just that self-remon,

[1:31:09] so that's just basically the normal mass.

[1:31:11] So there's a picture that in the package there's a picture that shows how much lower

[1:31:15] that breezeway space is in the roof on the breezeway space is from the from the actual

[1:31:21] framing height of the hat is just very, very low.

[1:31:25] And just I want to make sure that we're clear, the framing of the vertical wall is what

[1:31:29] the setback's measure of two, not the overhang of the roof.

[1:31:34] If that helps, there's typically a two or three foot walk.

[1:31:39] I'm sorry, the wall that would enclose the new family roof space would be well within that

[1:31:48] red line.

[1:31:49] I'm just that's the roof line and so probably probably there would be the new wall

[1:32:00] approximately 9 feet north of that red line, which is beyond the 15-foot minimum setback.

[1:32:07] Yes.

[1:32:07] As I've been kind of added to that from the platform, even the red line is 20 feet from

[1:32:13] the 20 feet setback.

[1:32:15] Because you have the 9.7 here, and then the 11.5 is the width of the length of that

[1:32:22] So that's 20 feet something that's just that red line, the new wall would be even further north of that.

[1:32:30] Yeah. I'm sorry, I didn't expect that.

[1:32:31] I don't come to get any of that.

[1:32:34] You know what?

[1:32:35] Yeah.

[1:32:36] So that's what it is for.

[1:32:38] But inside the house, you're saying the south.

[1:32:42] Yeah.

[1:32:42] Currently, that's just yard.

[1:32:45] Because that is not what it would be.

[1:32:47] The south side,

[1:32:51] yeah.

[1:32:51] It just makes sense to me aesthetically that the roof line, we're going to max that roof line, going back this way,

[1:33:00] that roof line is symmetrical.

[1:33:04] We could make that room on gas, but we wanted to make it coming out of the roof.

[1:33:08] Indoor Apple family room.

[1:33:10] We can enjoy that space.

[1:33:12] And the north space right now is just yard.

[1:33:15] There's no tree only new interior square footage.

[1:33:18] There's that more side.

[1:33:19] That is correct.

[1:33:22] And in many of what we might in it doing, just for, again, architectural studies, is that

[1:33:28] current, south wall, long-skinned part, we might move that, I feel like just to make

[1:33:32] that move more, right down that room is a lot of not going to vary, it seems a little narrow.

[1:33:37] We might not move that south wall, just a little, just a little bit, just to make that

[1:33:41] a little bit of a injury, but essentially now that's the 20 and a little bit

[1:33:54] of a

[1:33:54] I didn't really understand that part, but it would not change the red line out, that

[1:34:00] out of her.

[1:34:01] I think it would not.

[1:34:02] No, it would not.

[1:34:02] That would not be just an interior of all decision, and will either the paddy would

[1:34:07] be the right figure, not figure, but it would not extend the roof line, the roof line,

[1:34:13] On either side would not extend, we would just go to those points.

[1:34:19] So we'd be adding that the new little space is just the north side block.

[1:34:25] It will be approximately 9 out 23.

[1:34:29] If we were allowed to match it to the existing five-foot wall in the original house.

[1:34:35] So on the end of that kind of thin space on the west east side,

[1:34:40] I'm saying that's 11, by 11's base for me.

[1:34:46] Yes.

[1:34:46] It's a different kind of structure.

[1:34:48] It has a higher roof line.

[1:34:50] It's like that.

[1:34:50] It would be hard for you.

[1:34:53] It would not be demoed only to the extent that we need to tie it into,

[1:34:58] Yeah, the utility range change.

[1:35:00] That's kind of remain intact.

[1:35:01] That's in the 11, 11.

[1:35:03] With that foot ceilings.

[1:35:05] That's in the normal room.

[1:35:08] Our plan is to leave that there.

[1:35:09] And then the only, I guess, the only change would be

[1:35:12] is how we then just seal that off and do the new rewind.

[1:35:17] But where you're saying with this family room

[1:35:18] is the current existing structure will we get loaded,

[1:35:22] and that's fine.

[1:35:24] Yes, yes, because it has the half-configure build.

[1:35:27] It's bigger for us.

[1:35:28] Yeah, it's just, it's really, really love.

[1:35:30] And so we would just basically make it an eight foot,

[1:35:35] nine foot sealer, a vaulted sealing in that space,

[1:35:37] right now, it's about seven and half of us here.

[1:35:40] But do you think the house originally was the house

[1:35:43] and then the utility room?

[1:35:44] And then somebody closed in between the two?

[1:35:46] I believe so.

[1:35:47] That's my best guess.

[1:35:49] It just looks like that.

[1:35:50] And we had contractors look at those brick edges

[1:35:53] from the original house and then the breezeway and brick wall.

[1:35:57] And that's how we had them spliced in.

[1:35:59] So that's not part of that skinny part.

[1:36:02] It's not part of the original house proper.

[1:36:07] And from the neighbor who's parents lived in the house before she did, they just built that to keep and bring dogs and where we're else it was very much a utilitarian space.

[1:36:23] All right.

[1:36:24] Thank you.

[1:36:26] Did anyone with the audience take their son?

[1:36:39] This is my friend, Shannon, maybe.

[1:36:41] But in the fact that the final flat is the right flat.

[1:36:46] So what do we do?

[1:36:47] I

[1:36:55] just have some questions like, isn't this a flat in every room?

[1:36:59] I don't understand.

[1:37:02] Flatting.

[1:37:02] In this room.

[1:37:03] Like, I'd love some.

[1:37:04] That's like the issue.

[1:37:05] You've made these lots more divided.

[1:37:07] We had it.

[1:37:08] We were asked to read flat thing.

[1:37:10] I did.

[1:37:11] I read flat.

[1:37:12] I mean, these changes in the addition to this thing.

[1:37:15] Which, if that's all, the Greeks are returning.

[1:37:16] But it's already a flat in.

[1:37:18] But it's been so divided.

[1:37:21] The original lots been some divided in the different sizes.

[1:37:24] The re-plad is going to re-plad, this is a, we're actually going to do a new plad.

[1:37:33] Yeah, we require a unique name.

[1:37:37] No, no, these neighbors already have, doesn't this neighbors have the name?

[1:37:43] Or is that kind of a fork in terms of names?

[1:37:48] If.

[1:37:49] For black.

[1:37:51] Your great, great grant coverage.

[1:37:54] Yeah, great.

[1:37:56] Yeah, because it's our reflecting tax roll with this

[1:37:58] Westward, the Westward.

[1:38:02] It has, I just want to be kind of technical here.

[1:38:04] It has names.

[1:38:06] This is only a fun or a black.

[1:38:07] What should be a replat of whatever the other subdivision was.

[1:38:12] So I would assume, in this flat, we should

[1:38:14] grab that corner clip that's kind of showing it to me easily. So I don't know what to do

[1:38:19] it, but.

[1:38:21] Get this, this is a preliminary plan.

[1:38:28] This is not the final plan.

[1:38:32] Yeah, I would, I would recommend that this point table in that.

[1:38:36] Or push it so that we can get it right.

[1:38:38] I'm sorry.

[1:38:39] So that we, it was a final plan submitted.

[1:38:46] I think it was, so we, yeah, I think I've

[1:38:53] complied with everything I'm asked to do.

[1:38:56] We submitted, there were a couple of versions of

[1:38:58] clap because the state came back and asked for the additional

[1:39:02] overlays and these things and then we submitted a

[1:39:05] final, you know, in my mind,

[1:39:08] chronobosch, which should not have been a final practice.

[1:39:11] But, you know, you know, I drew on one to show that this was the initial application.

[1:39:17] I hope you understand.

[1:39:21] I wanted, I'm going to do it right.

[1:39:24] But I think we've, I think we've followed everything we've been asked to follow.

[1:39:28] It's that name.

[1:39:30] It says a hundred flat.

[1:39:31] So we can't take action on it.

[1:39:34] Because it should say, kind of like, okay.

[1:39:39] And it should be that too.

[1:39:42] Yeah, that's a question.

[1:39:44] That's why I would recommend if we want to make sure it's right that just table the

[1:39:49] plot.

[1:39:50] Approve the other ones.

[1:39:52] Or if you want to do it.

[1:39:56] But table the plot so that we can bring it back.

[1:40:00] But that was a question one more.

[1:40:01] So, good, right,

[1:40:08] just for clarification, what do I need to do next?

[1:40:10] We're going to work in the process.

[1:40:12] I think Rob is going to get a final plan.

[1:40:17] It's accurate, I guess.

[1:40:18] There's a couple of enough to do.

[1:40:19] This is your square error.

[1:40:21] I hope you request a table of information.

[1:40:26] There's the application.

[1:40:27] There's the application.

[1:40:32] There's the application.

[1:40:34] So you're asking me to move it to table it.

[1:40:37] And tell me if I turn on the final plan.

[1:40:39] LL, the U.S., but I think it's a nice way to, as you have to.

[1:40:43] That's the only case, I don't know what you're saying.

[1:40:45] It's okay. I found that in my contracts, it's a best, and it just is.

[1:40:51] Yeah, that's the only station that I'm trying to,

[1:40:53] timing and trying to use this product in and forward.

[1:40:56] But we never, we, we would be advisable acceptors.

[1:41:00] We're in the four-and-ass market type to start home, and I'm trying to plan.

[1:41:04] I think that's right, they may want, but we don't, we don't break around with it.

[1:41:09] We broke around with it.

[1:41:10] All we really need to do is table action.

[1:41:12] I don't understand.

[1:41:13] I don't understand.

[1:41:14] I don't understand.

[1:41:15] I don't understand.

[1:41:18] It's good.

[1:41:20] It's good.

[1:41:21] If you're more peace of mind that, okay, the only legal question is,

[1:41:26] call that a final plan.

[1:41:28] We've heard a bit of the neurology that the name of it's exactly the same time.

[1:41:31] Does it still get us to beat anyone else?

[1:41:34] Is this whole trial right?

[1:41:37] And it's been made small.

[1:41:39] All right.

[1:41:39] So on that, now we have a last call.

[1:41:40] Anyone from the I2 address inside of it?

[1:41:43] Okay.

[1:41:43] If not, I'll hear most important adjustments.

[1:41:46] I'll move to it first.

[1:41:49] Hey, all fair to say aye.

[1:41:50] Aye.

[1:41:51] Any opposed?

[1:41:52] Is that us?

[1:41:53] I was an AD and C to support this.

[1:41:54] and should have been said to be like that for table planning and zoning item D. Yes, I would.

[1:42:02] Okay. Is there a motion to table? I'll move the table of planning and zoning item D.

[1:42:07] Okay. All right. All right. Thank you very much.

[1:42:14] Okay. It is 6.38 and this meeting is adjourned. Thank you.

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