Aug 25, 2026 Board of Supervisors

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Agenda

[0:01] Call to Order

[1:22] 1. Citizens Comment Period

[5:41] 2. Approval of Minutes

[5:56] 3. VDOT Matters

[9:43] 4. Monthly Reports

[22:04] 5. Appointments

[22:39] 6. Financial Matters

[26:03] 7. Hampton Roads Workforce Council-request for 8th Amended Charter Agreement

[27:42] 8. Proclamation- Constitution Week

[30:29] 9. Fire & Rescue-Capital Funds Distributed in FY26

[33:05] 10. Discussion regarding Dams in Southampton County

[1:26:41] 11. Compensation Study-follow up

[1:47:43] 12. Economic Development - Mr. Karl Heck

[1:50:43] 13. SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SCHOOLS - FY27 APPROPRIATION REQUEST FOR MAINTENANCE

[1:57:24] 15. Closed Session

[1:59:42] 16. Late Arriving Matters

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[0:00] SO WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE SO WE CAN LEGALLY VOTE ON ANY MATTER WE NEED TONIGHT.

[0:05] SO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALL RIGHT I HAVE A VOLUNTEER FOR AN INVOCATION TONIGHT. GET US STARTED. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, DOCTOR EDWARDS. LET US BOW OUR HEADS IN PRAYER. HEAVENLY FATHER, ONCE AGAIN WE COME TO THIS MEETING AND WE THANK YOU FOR MANY THINGS. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY WE CALL HOME. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL NATION AND THIS FAIRLY WONDERFUL STATE. WE ASK YOU TO SEND YOUR HOLY SPIRIT AND BLESS THIS MEETING AND BLESS OUR SUPERVISORS. AND MAY THEY TAKE ACTIONS FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY. THESE THINGS WE ASK IN YOUR NAME. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. FIRST ON THE AGENDA, THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD. THIS IS VALUABLE FOR US. WE PUT ASIDE AN HOUR EVERY EVERY MEETING FOR THIS TO START ON NOVEMBER 25TH, 2013. IT'S ALSO A RULE OF OF THE MEETING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE ONLY RULES ARE COME TO THE PODIUM. TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS THREE MINUTES OR LESS AND GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. I MIGHT SAY, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE DAM SITUATION, YOU GOTTA WATCH HOW YOU SPELL IT. THAT'S NUMBER TEN ON THE AGENDA AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TALK AT THAT TIME. SO IT MAY BE BETTER FOR BETTER EFFECT FOR YOU TO SAVE IT AT THAT TIME. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD. THANK YOU BOARD, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. I'M LORRAINE GREEN WHITEHEAD FROM SEDLEY, VIRGINIA. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF EARLY CHILDHOOD WESTERN TIDEWATER AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. THE RESEARCH SAYS THAT IN ADDITION TO BASIC NEEDS BEING FOOD, WATER, AIR AND SHELTER, IT IS A BASIC NEED OF ALL OF US TO FEEL SAFE, LOVED AND WANTED. OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS ALWAYS THERE IN SUPPORT OF OUR COMMUNITY, EVENTS AND EVEN SPONSORS SOME OF THEM. FOR EXAMPLE, COMMUNITY RESOURCE FAIRS TO HELP CONNECT OUR FAMILIES AND OUR UNDER-RESOURCED NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE BASIC NEEDS. MASLOW BEFORE BLOOMS. TO HELP OUR COMMUNITIES GROW OUT OF SURVIVAL MODE AND INTO GROWTH MODE. THIS HELPS TO REDUCE STRESS IN OUR COMMUNITIES, WHICH ALSO DECREASES VIOLENCE. THERE ARE AT, THEY ARE AT ALL OF OUR SCHOOL FUNCTIONS PROVIDE US WITH TRAININGS FOR ACTIVE SHOOTER AND GENERAL SCHOOL SECURITY, AS WELL AS PROVIDE US WITH SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS. BUT MY FAVORITE THING THAT I HEARD OUR SHERIFF SAY AT ONE OF OUR MEADOWS EVENTS, WHILE THE DEPUTIES WERE ACTUALLY HELPING SOME OF THE CHILDREN WITH THE GAMES, HE SAID TO ME, I WANT THESE CHILDREN TO RUN TO US AND NOT AWAY FROM US WHEN THERE'S TROUBLE. THEY EVEN VISIT OUR ELEMENTARY CLASSROOMS AND READ TO OUR STUDENTS TO BUILD TRUSTING RELATIONSHIPS TO FEEL SAFE, LOVED AND WANTED. AND BY THE WAY, THEY'RE ALL GOOD LOOKING. THANK YOU. OH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT, WHO'S NEXT? `[INAUDIBLE] MR. CHAIRMAN. JORDAN POINT ROAD. I JUST HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT RELATED TO WHAT MR. GILLETTE SAID LAST MONTH ABOUT WATER AND WATER, LACK OF WATER, SHORTAGE OF WATER BEING ONE OF THE REASONS WE DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. THIS AFTERNOON, I DROVE THROUGH THE TOWN OF WALTERS, SLOWED DOWN TO THE SPEED LIMIT, AND I JUST. I JUST HAPPENED TO NOTICE A FIRE HYDRANT SITTING RIGHT ON TOP OF THE LAKE GASTON WATER LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH WALTERS. AND MY QUESTION IS, IS IT FAKE OR IS IT REALLY TAPPED INTO THE TO THE LAKE GASTON WATER LINE? AND IF WALTERS CAN DO IT, WHY CAN'T BLACK CREEK AND SADLY AND OTHER PLACES. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU.

[5:05] ANYBODY ELSE? GOT PLENTY OF TIME. I THINK EVERYBODY'S SAVING IT FOR NUMBER TEN. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, THEN THE SOONER WE GET THROUGH THIS, THE QUICKER WE GET TO NUMBER TEN. WE'LL LAST CALL. CLOSE THE CITIZENS COMMENT PERIOD. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF JULY 28TH, 2026 MEETING. ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS? MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. OKAY. WE GET TO VDOT MATTERS. THE MONTHLY CONCERNS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY MONTHLY CONCERNS? IN BOARD? IS THAT THE TRASH DUMP? THE RECYCLE BIN HAS BEEN FULL FOR WEEKS, AND PEOPLE LAY THEIR RECYCLABLE WASTE DOWN BESIDE THE BESIDE THE DUMPSTER. THE RECYCLE DUMPSTER. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS THERE? DO WE HAVE A POLICY OR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW. WE'LL GET THAT ALSO RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE BOYKIN'S DUMP SITE. THE LAND, THE ROAD HAS BROKEN AWAY AND IT'S A SIGNIFICANT POTHOLE THERE. ANYBODY ELSE? YES, I HAVE A COUPLE. A YOUNG COUPLE AT 058 TOWARD THE GREENVILLE COUNTY LINE, GREEN PLAINS, WHERE IT INTERSECTS WITH 58. THEY JUST MOVED DOWN THERE AND AND TO PULL OFF OF 58 ONTO THAT ROAD, THERE'S NO TURN LANE. THEY WANTED ME TO BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF VDOT. THOSE PEOPLE THAT USE THAT ROAD OFTENTIMES SLOW UP TRAFFIC THAT DOESN'T SLOW UP AND HAVE TO GO BY THE TURN. SO I WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD. THE OTHER ONE WAS A REPEAT OF SEVERAL TIMES THAT THAT POTHOLE ON POPE KERRY'S BRIDGE THAT GOES TO SEVERAL BEFORE YOU GET TO BRUCE PHILLIPS'S. I THINK EVERYBODY THAT THAT'S EVER BEEN THAT WAY HAS HIT IT AND IT'S GETTING PRETTY BAD. I KNOW THEY'VE ATTEMPTED TO FIX IT SEVERAL TIMES, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME THEY FIX IT, WHEN IT WALLOWS OUT, IT GETS DEEPER. SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS WELL. SO FOR GREEN PLAINS, THE TURN LANE. OFF OF 58. RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION NEXT MONTH FOR THE BOARD TO APPROVE FOR VDOT TO DO A STUDY? YES. I EXPLAINED THAT TO THE, A YOUNG COUPLE THAT MOVED UP THERE RECENTLY. SO I TOLD THEM I'D BRING IT UP TONIGHT. ANYBODY? ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON. TO B, THE TOWN OF COURTLAND IS HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 8TH AT THE TOWN OF COURTLAND TOWN OFFICE. OF COURSE, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, SO ANYBODY CAN GO THERE THAT WANTS TO. AND THEY'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL TO PROHIBIT THROUGH TRUCKING THROUGH THE MAIN STREET OF DOWNTOWN COURTLAND. NOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO OKAY THAT OR NOT OKAY THAT, WHETHER THAT'S THEIR DECISION, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO ASK US FOR SUPPORT ON THAT WHICHEVER WAY THEY GO. SO THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT MEETING IF YOU HAVE ANY DOGS IN THE FIGHT THERE TO GET DOWN THERE AND GET TO THAT MEETING. HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS MONTHLY REPORTS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT. MRS. LOWE? YES, SIR. PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO PROJECT UPDATE. PROGRESS CONTINUES ON THE REGIONAL RADIO PROJECT. MOST RECENT MEETING WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS WAS AUGUST 4TH, 2026.

[10:05] THE NEXT MEETING REGARDING INTEROPERABILITY WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 28TH. REFUSE COLLECTION SITES, SANITATION PERSONNEL AND DEPUTY SHERIFFS WILL BEGIN RANDOM CHECKS AT COLLECTION SITES IN AN ATTEMPT TO DISCOURAGE TRASH FROM COMING IN FROM NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. SITES ARE FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY RESIDENTS ONLY. NEW INDIVIDUALS MOVING INTO THE COUNTY AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE HELPING A RESIDENT FAMILY MEMBER CAN OBTAIN A TEMPORARY PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE. WE WILL BE DOING THESE CHECKS RANDOMLY. THEY WILL NOT BE ANNOUNCED. DEPUTY SHERIFFS WILL BE AT A VARIETY OF SITES FOR 2 TO 3 HOURS DEPENDING ON SCHEDULES AND, AND WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON IN THE COUNTY. THE 258 REFUSE COLLECTION SITE ENTRANCE WAY IS THE NEXT ONE SCHEDULED TO BE PAVED THE WEEK OF AUGUST 24TH THIS WEEK. COURTHOUSE HOLDING CELLS. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE VENDOR ESITECH ON SPECS. THE VOTER REGISTRARS WORK BUILDING AND ADMIN RECORDS, RETENTION AREA, ELECTRICAL WORK AND OTHER INTERIOR WORK CONTINUES ON THE BUILDING AND I KNOW THEY WILL BE THERE A COUPLE OF DAYS THIS WEEK TRYING TO GET THAT FINISHED UP. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SITE STUDY, A STUDY OF APPROPRIATE PROPERTY AND SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY FOR FUTURE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. WORK IS ONGOING AND PROGRESS IS BEING MADE. RECORDS ROOM HVAC OVER AT THE COURTHOUSE. WORK BEGAN ON AUGUST 18TH, 2026. WE CONTRACTED WITH THE VENDOR HOBBS AND ASSOCIATES. THE COMPANY IS APPROVED ON A STATEWIDE COOPERATIVE PROCUREMENT CONTRACT AND WORK IS ONGOING. MAIN STREET JAIL HVAC PROJECT WITH THE PIEDMONT SERVICES GROUP. AS DISCUSSED AT THE JULY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING, THE WORK TO REPLACE THE HEAT AND AIR CONDITIONING WITHIN THE JAIL WAS EXPECTED TO COST $195,225. A FINAL WALKTHROUGH WAS SCHEDULED, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT LEAVING THE RADIATORS INTACT WOULD REDUCE THE COST BY $43,225. A CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF $152,000 WAS SIGNED ON AUGUST 12TH. PIEDMONT IS ON A COOPERATIVE CONTRACT WITHIN OMNIA. COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY. ON JULY 28TH, MR. RICK CAMPBELL WITH PAYPOINT HR, GAVE A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE COMP AND CLASS STUDY. RESULTS OF THE STUDY WERE ACKNOWLEDGED. BOARD TASKED ME WITH IDENTIFYING FUNDS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED IF THE SALARIES WERE FUNDED AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE AND AT THE 60TH PERCENTILE. THE OTHER ITEM THAT MUST BE IDENTIFIED IS THE PHASE IN PERIOD. WE WOULD CHOOSE ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS. THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER IN TONIGHT'S AGENDA. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMERCE AND LOGISTICS CENTER WHICH IS THE TURNER TRACT AREA ON ROSE VALLEY ROAD. THE MOVE FROM A TIER TWO TO A TIER FOUR GOAL IS CLOSE. FINAL REPORTING ITEMS ARE IN PROCESS. TURNER TRACT BEALE FARM WELL DRILLING PROJECT. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTING TWO WELLS BY OCTOBER 19TH OF 2033. AT THAT TIME, 96% OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S WATER DRAWN FOR THE BEALE FARM AND TURNER TRACT AREA WILL BE REQUIRED TO COME FROM THE POTOMAC AQUIFER PER DEQ. HUMAN RESOURCES PERSONNEL. COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE CONTINUING RECRUITING EFFORTS. WE HAVE NOT HAD MUCH INTEREST OVER THE PAST THREE MONTHS, BUT WE ARE CONTINUING AS WE DEFINITELY NEED THAT POSITION. PUBLIC SERVICE WORKER TWO, WE HIRED A PUBLIC SERVICE WORKER ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS IN GETTING A PUBLIC SERVICE WORKER TWO. THE NEW EMPLOYEE WILL BEGIN SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2026. PUBLIC UTILITIES WILL THEN BE FULLY STAFFED. WE WILL PROVIDE TRAINING AND THE WORKER WILL EVENTUALLY MOVE TO A PUBLIC SERVICE WORKER TWO AS TRAINING IS COMPLETED. DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. THE POSITION WAS ADVERTISED INTERNALLY. THE BEGINNING POST DATE WAS AUGUST 4TH OF 2026 AND THE END DATE FOR APPLICATION SUBMITTAL WAS NOON ON AUGUST 18TH OF 2026. IT WAS POSTED ON THE ENTRANCE WAY TO THE JOB BOARD, AND IT WAS POSTED ON

[15:05] WEBSITE. THERE WAS ONE APPLICATION RECEIVED. WE DID INTERVIEWS THIS PAST FRIDAY, AND MISS CHRISTY NEWSOM IS THE NEW DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES, SPACE NEEDS STUDY AND ADMINISTRATION CENTER. WE MET WITH MEMBERS OF MOSELEY GROUP ON AUGUST 17TH. FINAL UPDATES WERE MADE TO THE LAYOUT. A COST ESTIMATE WILL BE SUBMITTED NEXT, ITEMS WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD IN THE FALL. COUNTY ATTORNEY LEGAL MATTERS. MR. GREGORY HAS WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH STAFF OVER THE PAST MONTH. AS ALWAYS, HE HAS BEEN HELPFUL AND INSIGHTFUL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FINANCIAL REPORT. GO AHEAD. FOR THIS MONTH WE DO NOT HAVE A FINANCIAL REPORT. JUNE 30TH REPORT WILL BE SUBMITTED IN SEPTEMBER AFTER OUR YEAR END TRANSFERS ARE PROCESSED. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. TREASURER'S REPORT. MISS EDWARDS HERE TONIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. I'LL RUN DOWN THE LIST THEN. ANIMAL CONTROL. JUST STOP ME. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT COOPERATIVE EXTENSION, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BLACKWATER REGIONAL LIBRARY, SOLID WASTE ORDINANCE PERSONNEL UPDATES, MISS LOWE. YES, SIR. IN LAW ENFORCEMENT BAILIFFS, DETENTION AND COURTHOUSE SECURITY. WE HAD EMPLOYEE CLASSIFICATIONS ONE EACH IN EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES, EMPLOYEE SEPARATED. WE HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT RETIRED AND WE HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL LEAVE THE DISPATCHER POSITION. THERE WERE THREE COMPENSATION BOARD ADJUSTMENTS, ONE WITHIN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, ONE WITHIN THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE'S OFFICE AND ONE WITHIN THE CLERK OF COURT. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SPSA. PLANNING COMMISSION. I DID HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT TO GO OVER HERE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AS YOU REMEMBER, LAST MONTH, THE BOARD MANDATED THE PLANNING COMMISSION START WORKING ON A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE BECAUSE WE SAW THAT COMING DOWN THE LINE. HOWEVER, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WE'VE KIND OF FAVORED LOOKING AT A TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT RATHER THAN A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. AND I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS THAT HAS THE INFORMATION IN THEIR PACKET. AND I IT'S MY BELIEF AFTER LOOKING AT IT, IT WAS SOMETHING NEW TO ME THAT IT WOULD ALLOW US MORE LEVERAGE. IT WOULD ALLOW US MORE CONTROL OF ANY DATA CENTERS HIGH ENERGY CENTERS WE'D BE ABLE TO BETTER CONTROL SETBACKS, BUILDING, BUILDING HEIGHTS EXCLUSION BERMS AND SHRUBBERY TO FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND KEEP THESE. WHATEVER DEVELOPED, THEY'RE NEAR THE MAJOR ROADS AND THE MAJOR POWER SOURCES. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE BOARD WAS ON ONLINE WITHOUT THEM LOOKING AT THAT MORE THAN A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE CONTROL, BE MORE FLEXIBLE. AND WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION I SEE HERE TONIGHT. WE HAVE MR. URQUHART AND MR. CLAUD, HAVE YOU GENTLEMEN WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, SAY A FEW WORDS, I WELCOME IT. ANYTHING I'VE LEFT OUT. SO WE LIKE SORT OF A CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD IS THIS. THEY FELT THAT THIS WAS THE WAY TO GO. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE'LL GET TO WORK ON IT RIGHT AWAY IN SEPTEMBER AND GET IT DONE. WE'RE MAINLY LOOKING AT GOOCHLAND COUNTY, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE ONE THAT SORT OF LED THE CHARGE IN DOING THIS AND MAYBE HAS THE BEST OVERALL OVERALL PLAN. I'LL ASK ERIC, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT IN THAT? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE GOOCHLAND TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT AND HOW OVERLAY DISTRICTS GENERALLY WORK. I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT SO I CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMED GUIDANCE TO BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD. AND LOOK FORWARD TO DOING SO. ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS, YOUR REGULAR ZONING WOULD WOULD STAY LIKE THAT.

[20:05] BUT IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU WOULD DESIGNATE THIS AREA AS A TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR THIS STUFF. AND YOU WOULD CHOOSE AREAS WHERE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK? BOARD. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOKING AT ANY PART OF IT. I'LL BE PERFECTLY HONEST. I KNEW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT A TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT AND HOW THAT COMPARES TO WHAT WE DIRECTED THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO WITH A DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. AND THIS 16 PAGE GOOCHLAND COUNTY EXHIBIT WAS SITTING IN MY PLACE TONIGHT, AND I'VE NOT EVEN LOOKED AT IT. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A GREAT PLACE TO START. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT BOTH OF THEM AND COME UP WITH THAT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? WOULD THAT. ONE QUESTION. IF IF YOU DID PUT THAT IN THAT AREA, WOULD THAT KNOCK OUT ANY OTHER LIKE MANUFACTURING? I DON'T THINK SO, NO. I MEAN, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T. NO. IT'S A IT'S FLEXIBLE. THAT AREA IS STILL GOING TO BE ZONED FOR WHATEVER'S THERE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. BUT THIS WOULD JUST THIS WOULD JUST OVERRIDE THAT ZONE. SO WE'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL FOR DATA CENTER OR THAT SORT OF SITUATION. I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN HERE AND WANTS TO PUT IN A JOHN DEERE PLANT OR SOMETHING, WE DON'T WANT TO RUN THEM AWAY. I THINK WE CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE MR. JACK CLAUD HERE, WHO IS OUR ENGINEER ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WE HAVE MR. FRANK URQUHART, WHO IS OUR AI EXPERT. SO WE EXPECT THAT THEY'LL THEY WILL GET TO WORK ON THIS. ANYBODY ELSE? SO I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS, IS LET'S GO AHEAD WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND START TO WORK ON IT. ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON. NUMBER FIVE, APPOINTMENTS. STOP ORGANIZATION. THIS BOARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN OVERLOADED WITH APPLICANTS WHEN WE COME TO THESE THINGS. ANYBODY HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR THIS? I CAN'T FIND ONE, BUT I'LL KEEP LOOKING. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. BE SURE AND WE'LL TRY TO GET THIS DONE BY NEXT MEETING THEN. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER SIX, FINANCIAL MATTERS. THE BILL'S LIST. THIS IS FOR INFORMATION. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APPROPRIATION RESOLUTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS A COPY OF THE AUGUST 2ND TO JUNE 2026 APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION. VARIOUS FUNDS TOTAL OF $415,502.04 FOR AUGUST AND JUNE. APPROPRIATION A LOT OF YEARLY PROCEDURE AS WE READY THE BOOKS FOR THE YEAR END AND CLOSE ALL THE UPCOMING AUDITS FOR THE UPCOMING AUDIT. THIS AMOUNTS TO ABOUT $359,960.23 IN THE GENERAL FUND, ZERO IN THE SCHOOL FUND, $3,500 IN THE CANTEEN FUND, $9041.81 IN THE INMATE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. AND FINALLY, $43,000 IN THE OPEB TRUST FUND. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS LOWE ABOUT THAT? WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROPRIATE THAT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROPRIATE. WE HAVE A SECOND. THAT MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. IT'S UNANIMOUS. B IS THE APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION FOR THE SCHOOL FUNDS. THAT AMOUNTS TO $687,929.87 AND $131,427.31 IN REVENUE FROM VARIOUS SOURCES. THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. THIS IS MONEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED. WE KNOW IT'S ALREADY THERE. ALL FUNDS ARE SCHOOL OPERATING FUNDS AND ARE MADE UP OF TUITION RATES RETURNING TO EXPENDITURE, REFERENCE REFUNDS, INSURANCE PAYMENTS, DONATIONS, BASIC SCHOOL AID AND RENTAL OF TEXTBOOKS AND GRANT FUNDS. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY $175,847.73 FOR THE SCHOOL FOOD SERVICES. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?

[25:06] MOTION TO APPROVE THAT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THE $175,847.73. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. IT'S UNANIMOUS. OKAY. WE NEED TO CAPTURE THE OTHER PARTS TOO. THAT WAS FOR FOOD SERVICES. SO THE PART FOR REGULAR REVENUES THAT HAD COME IN FOR THE SCHOOL, FOR THE SCHOOL FUND. THE 687. 687. 137. YES SIR. WELL I MOVE THEY BE INCLUDED IN THE APPROPRIATION. I'LL SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT REVISION, SAY AYE. AYE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ONE IS THE HAMPTON ROADS WORKFORCE COUNCIL REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT. LYNNETTE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO INTO THAT? SURE. YES, SIR. THE HAMPTON ROADS WORKFORCE COUNCIL'S PURPOSE IS THE PROVISION OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROVISION OF THE WORKFORCE INNOVATION AND OPPORTUNITY ACT. AS MAY BE AMENDED FROM TIME TO TIME, OR ANY FUTURE LEGISLATION OF SIMILAR IMPORT AND APPLICABILITY, AND SHALL SERVE AS THE GRANT RECIPIENT. BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT. THIS AMENDMENT ADDS THE COUNTIES OF ACCOMACK AND NORTH. EXCUSE ME. AND NORTHAMPTON AND REMOVES THE COUNTY OF GLOUSTER. GLOUSTER WILL JOIN THE BAY CONSORTIUM. THE ADDITION AND REMOVAL OF THESE LOCALITIES WAS APPROVED BY THEN GOVERNOR YOUNGKIN ON DECEMBER 12TH, 2025. I HAVE INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA A COPY OF THE FULLY EXECUTED SEVENTH AMENDMENT THAT WAS EFFECTIVE ON JULY 1ST OF 2021. I HAVE ALSO INCLUDED THE REQUESTED EIGHTH AMENDMENT THAT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE RETROACTIVELY TO JULY 1ST OF 2026. ONCE APPROVED BY ALL PARTICIPATING LOCALITIES. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT YOU APPROVE THE HAMPTON ROADS WORKFORCE COUNCIL'S REQUEST FOR THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT TO ADD ACCOMACK AND NORTHAMPTON AND REMOVE THE COUNTY OF GLOUSTER. AND NORTHAMPTON. AND NORTHAMPTON COME IN AND GLOUSTER OUT. SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. THAT'S UNANIMOUS ALSO. ALL RIGHT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CONSTITUTION WEEK. IS MISS MELCHIOR HERE? SHE IS. SHE'S COMING UP RIGHT NOW. GOOD EVENING. COME ON. UP IN FRONT OF THE FLAG. GET A PICTURE? YES. IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO READ THIS. IT'S GOOD TO SEE BOTH OF YOU. THIS IS THE SIXTH TIME. ALL RIGHT. WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026 MARKS THE 2390TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO ACCOUNT OFFICIAL RECOGNITION TO THIS MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT AND ITS MEMORIAL ACHIEVEMENT, AND TO THE PATRIOTS, PATRIOTIC CELEBRATION WHICH WILL COMMEMORATE THE OCCASION. AND WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW 915 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH SEPTEMBER 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK. NOW, THEREFORE, I ALAN W. EDWARDS M.D BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THIS WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH 23RD IS CONSTITUTION WEEK, AND WE ASK OUR CITIZENS TO REAFFIRM THE IDEALS THAT THE FOUNDERS AND FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION HAD IN 1787 BY VIGILANTLY PROTECTING THE FREEDOM GUARANTEED TO US THROUGH THIS GUARDIANSHIP OF OUR LIBERTIES REMEMBERING THAT LOST RIGHTS MAY NEVER BE REGAINED. AND THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. LOST RIGHTS MAY NEVER BE REGAINED. EVERYONE NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I HAVE HEREBY SET MY HAND AND CAUSED TO BE FIXED TO THE GREAT SEAL OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY ON THIS DAY OF AUGUST THE 25TH, 2026. THE CONSTITUTION IS NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S WAY AHEAD OF ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PLANET, AND IT'S WAY AHEAD OF WHATEVER ELSE IS IN SECOND PLACE.

[30:02] I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND THIS. YOU GUYS KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK [APPLAUSE]. ALL RIGHT. FIRE AND RESCUE CAPITAL FUNDS DISTRIBUTION. MISS LOWE, WOULD YOU MIND GOING THROUGH THAT, PLEASE? YES, SIR. AS YOU KNOW, FROM THE ANNUAL APPROVAL OF A BUDGET FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, CAPITAL, FUNDING IN SPECIFIED AMOUNTS ARE SET ASIDE ANNUALLY TO ASSIST EACH FIRE DEPARTMENT AT A COST. THIS HAS BEEN A PRACTICE SINCE FISCAL YEAR 2000. THE FUNDS ARE HELD IN ESCROW UNTIL A REQUEST TO DRAWDOWN IS SUBMITTED. ESCROWED FUNDS CONTINUE TO ACCRUE AND ROLL OVER FROM YEAR TO YEAR FOR EACH DEPARTMENT OR SQUAD UNTIL NEEDED. CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR REPORTING, IT SEEMED APPROPRIATE TO REPORT ON THE ITEMS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH. FOR BOYKINS VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE. $68,000 PAYMENT ON TANKER AND BUILDING PAYMENT. DREWRYVILLE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT $135,500. TO ASSIST WITH CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FIRE STATION PER LETTER RECEIVED. BRANCHVILLE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT $59,063.20 FOR AN AIR COMPRESSOR. COURTLAND VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT $43,000 FOR PAYMENT ON A FIRE ENGINE. IVOR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT $102,500. PAYMENT TOWARDS NEW FIRE ENGINE. NEWSOMS VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT $50,000. PAYMENT ON A NEW FIRE ENGINE. IVOR RESCUE SQUAD $60,000 FOR A NEW DEFIBRILLATOR. ALL DEPARTMENTS AND SQUADS ARE APPRECIATIVE OF THE ASSISTANCE PROVIDED TO THEM. THE AMOUNT SHOWN ABOVE WERE DISBURSED IN FISCAL YEAR 26 WERE ACCRUED OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. AS YOU KNOW, PUBLIC CONTRIBUTIONS TO VOLUNTEERS HAVE DECREASED OVER THE YEARS AS COST OF EQUIPMENT HAVE GROWN EXPONENTIALLY. THIS IS A MUCH NEEDED RESOURCE FOR OUR VOLUNTEERS THAT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND COUNTY AND COUNTY TIRELESSLY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT? WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ANYTHING ON THIS OR INFORMATION. I GOT ONE QUESTION. YES, SIR. WHAT KIND OF AIR COMPRESSOR WAS THAT THAT BRANCHVILLE GOT? WHAT IS THAT? I BELIEVE IT FEELS THE THE TANKS THAT THEY USE FOR THE. FOR THE SCOTT AIR PACKS. GOTCHA. YES, SIR. THE ONLY THING I. OKAY, GETTING DOWN TO NUMBER TEN, WHICH IS THE DAM DISCUSSION. WATCH HOW YOU SPELL THAT. HOW YOU SPELL IT TWO WAYS. FIRST OF ALL, TO LEAD THIS OFF, I MUST SAY THAT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MISS LOWE, HAS BEEN REALLY WORKING DILIGENTLY, GETTING INFORMATION TO THE STATE, AND SHE'S HAD A LOT OF CONTACT, AND I'LL LET HER TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. EVIDENTLY, THERE ARE ABOUT 13 DAMS IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE REGULATED BY THE STATE. MOST RECENT INFORMATION WE RECEIVED TO THEM AS FOLLOWS. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO DAMS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY HAVING ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST THEM. NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO PUNITIVE MEASURES FOR ANY DAMS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. NUMBER THREE, THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO DEADLINES IN PLACE FOR ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS TO SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AND I MIGHT SAY ALSO THAT THE PEOPLE THAT BE POWERS THAT BE FROM THE STATE ARE GOING TO BE HERE AT OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING AND GO OVER THIS WITH US AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK THEN. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, THAT'S ALL THAT'S OKAY ALSO. BUT I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE GOT STARTED. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I PREPARED A LITTLE TALK BEFORE I HEARD YOUR COMMENTS, AND I HAVE SOME MEDICAL PROCEDURES COMING UP, AND I MAY NOT BE AT THE NEXT MEETING. PLUS, I DON'T REALLY TRUST THE STATE OF VIRGINIA BUREAUCRATS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ASH CUTCHIN, AND I LIVE ON DARLING POINT ROAD. YOU ALL KNOW WHERE THAT STREET IS. BECAUSE I COMPLAINED IN THIS VERY ROOM SO MANY TIMES ABOUT THE UNSAFE CURVE, WHICH NOW HAS A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[35:02] NOW, I COULD TALK TEN MINUTES, BUT YOU KNOW I WON'T. TONIGHT I BRING UP A DIFFERENT MATTER. AND THAT REGARDS DARDEN MILLPOND ITSELF AND THE DAM, WHICH ARE OWNED BY MR. JOHN FIELD, DAUGHTER OF FORMER GOVERNOR COLGATE DARDEN. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA IS IN THE PROCESS OF ENFORCING SOME OBSCURE STATE LAW REGARDING PRIVATELY OWNED PONDS, WHICH YOU JUST MENTIONED. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND COUNTING THEM ON THE MAP, APPROXIMATELY 27 WATERFRONT HOMEOWNERS IN OUR SUBDIVISION WOULD SOON FIND OURSELVES WITH A WEEDY SWAMP IN OUR BACKYARDS INSTEAD OF DARDEN MILLPOND. NOT UNLIKE WHAT HAPPENED AFTER HURRICANE FLOYD IN SEPTEMBER 1998, AND ANOTHER 27 HOMES ACROSS THE STREETS WOULD LOSE THEIR POND VIEWS. THANKFULLY, IRENE DARDEN FIELD REPAIRED THE DAM AT HER OWN EXPENSE IN 2000, AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT EXCEEDED $300,000. AND HOPEFULLY THAT DAM NOW MEETS THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS. IF, HOWEVER, IN THE FUTURE SHE IS REQUIRED TO MAKE ANY NEW IMPROVEMENTS IN THE DAM IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THESE STATE REQUIREMENTS, AND IF SHE DECIDES IT'LL BE TOO EXPENSIVE, THEN SHE MAY BE REQUIRED TO REMOVE THE DAM AND EMPTY THE POND. AND THAT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE BLOW TO THE COUNTY, WHICH HAS ASSESSED OUR WATERFRONT LOTS AS WATERFRONT LOTS. AND I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE THEM CONTINUE TO BE WATERFRONT LOTS AND NOT BECOME SWAMP FRONT LOTS. THE CUMULATIVE ASSESSED VALUE OF OUR TOTAL SUBDIVISION, ABOUT 57 HOMES IS MORE THAN $26 MILLION, AND WE PAY NEARLY $400,000 IN ANNUAL REAL ESTATE TAXES. THE POND IS THE REASON WE BUILT OUR HOMES THERE. THE POND IS A REASON OUR HOMES ARE COLLECTIVELY ASSESSED FOR $26 MILLION. THE POND IS OUR CRUCIAL EMERGENCY WATER SOURCE IN CASE OF POTENTIALLY DEVASTATING WILDFIRES LIKE WE SEE SO OFTEN ON TELEVISION. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE ONLY DRY HYDRANT IS ON THE GIRL SCOUT SIDE, BUT I FEEL SURE THAT SEVERAL HOMEOWNERS WOULD HAPPILY ALLOW THE FIRE COMPANIES TO CROSS THEIR LOTS TO ENABLE THEM TO FILL THEIR PUMPER TRUCKS. THE POND IS A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF IRRIGATION WATER FOR SEVERAL FARMS, WHICH BORDER THE LENGTH OF THE POND. THE POND IS A HOME IN A GIRL SCOUT CAMP ON THE EASTERN SHORELINE. SURELY THE STATE WOULD NOT DEPRIVE THE GIRL SCOUTS OF THEIR BELOVED WATERFRONT CAMPGROUND BY MY PERSONAL ACCOUNT. THE POND IS HOME TO ABOUT 75 CANADA GEESE, SEVERAL OWLS AND IS VISITED BY OSPREYS AND EAGLES, WILD DUCKS IN THE WINTER AND DOZENS OF DEER. NOW, LAST WEEK I SPENT SEVERAL HOURS INSPECTING AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS AND MAPS. AND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, BEGINNING AT OUR DAM MRS FIELDS DAM, THE POND DRAINS DOWN INTO NOTTOWAY SWAMP, CROSSING BENEATH STORAGE STATION ROAD AND CONTINUES INTO THE CYPRESS COVE COUNTRY CLUB POND AND FINALLY CROSSES US 58 NEAR SHADY BROOK TRAIL. AND BY CLOSE INSPECTION, I SEE NOT ONE SINGLE DWELLING IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED IF THE DAM BROKE AGAIN AND DOWNSTREAM AREA SUFFERED, AS IT DID WITH HURRICANE FLOYD. OUR PLANNING REGULATIONS DO NOT ALLOW NEW DWELLINGS TO BE BUILT WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, SO IT IS REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT NO LOSS OF LIFE WOULD OCCUR, EXCEPT MAYBE FOR A FEW SNAKES AND A COUPLE OF BEAVERS. NOW I SEE THAT THE ISSUE IS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, SO I WON'T I WON'T CONTINUE, BUT I WILL ASK YOU IF IT HAPPENS THAT THE STATE TRIES TO REMOVE THESE PONDS, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU MAKE WHATEVER EFFORTS MAY BE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT THE HISTORIC DARDEN MILL POND, NAMED IN HONOR OF FORMER GOVERNOR COLGATE DARDEN, REMAIN A VITAL PART OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING THE PUBLIC SPEAK. ANYBODY ELSE? WELCOME. SAY YOU CAN COME UP AS MAYBE SOME OF THIS GOT STARTED. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS, BUT THERE WAS A DAM WHICH FAILED IN CARROLL COUNTY ON AUGUST THE 2ND. THEY HAD FOUR INCHES OF RAIN. IT WAS CALLED A GOLF CLUB DAM AND IT WENT DOWNSTREAM, RELEASED ABOUT 100 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER AND IT DAMAGED TWO FARMS, I THINK. BUT NO, THERE WAS NO LOSS OF LIFE OR ANIMAL LIFE THAT WE KNOW. SO I KIND OF WONDER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAT I CAME FROM THE MOUNTAINS AND YOU HAD RIDGES AND HOLLOWS,

[40:02] YOU KNOW, THE HOLLOWS, THE VOLUME IN BETWEEN THE RIDGES. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE. SO ANY RUNOFF HERE EVEN. AND WE HAD THE FLOOD OF 99, THE WHOLE DARDEN MILL POND WENT AND IT DIDN'T HURT ANYBODY. WENT DOWN MAYBE A FOOT OF WATER DOWN THERE AT THE COUNTRY CLUB. BUT THAT WAS ALL. SO IT'S A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SPECIES. MISS JOHNSON. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. MY NAME IS CHERYL JOHNSON. I LIVE IN SEDLEY, ON JOHNSON'S MILL POND. I LIVE IN THE OLD GRIST MILL. I'VE BEEN I, I CONTROL THE GATES AND THE WATER LEVEL OF THE POND. THE SAME AS MY FAMILY HAS FOR 180 YEARS. I'M ONE OF FOUR DAM OWNERS ON THIS POND. I WANTED TO SHARE A FEW THINGS THAT I SEE WHEN I LOOK OUT MY FRONT WINDOW. I SEE FEDERALLY PROTECTED TUNDRA SWANS THAT COME HERE AND SPEND THE WINTER. I SEE MANY OTHER MIGRATORY DUCKS AND WATERFOWL THAT STOP HERE ALONG THEIR MIGRATIONS. WE HAVE SEVERAL RESIDENT BALD EAGLES, HERONS, BEAVERS AND THEY ALL THRIVE ON THIS WATERWAY. THIS WEEK, THE WHITE HERONS WERE JUST PHOTOGRAPHED. CAN WE SEE IT? YES. I ALSO SEE THE MEN AND WOMEN OF SUDLEY FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY ROUTINELY CONDUCT TRAINING NOT ONLY FOR THEMSELVES BUT FOR THE DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE REGION. OUR DRY HYDRANT IS A RELIABLE SOURCE OF WATER FOR FIREFIGHTING EMERGENCIES AND TRAINING FOR ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE AREA. WITHOUT IT, THE LOSS OF LIFE AND PROPERTY SIGNIFICANTLY RISES IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS NO PLACE TO GET WATER, NOT ONLY ARE WE IN DANGER BY FIRE, BUT I BELIEVE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL ALSO TAKE NOTICE AND RAISE OUR FIRE RATES FOR OUR HOMEOWNERS. AS A DAM OWNER. I WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME OF THE PERSPECTIVE OF THIS WHOLE SITUATION THAT I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH. AND WHAT IT'S BEEN LIKE FOR ME. MANY OF THESE REGULATIONS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES, BUT THE STATE HAS NEVER INFORMED ANY OF US OF ANY OF THIS UNTIL RECENTLY. THE INITIAL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REQUIRED INSPECTIONS AND STUDIES ARE NEARING SIX FIGURES. THAT NUMBER DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY REPAIRS OR IMPROVEMENTS, OR THE ONGOING PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS REQUIRED FROM HERE ON. THOSE COSTS ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DAM OWNERS AS THE AS DCR, THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION SAYS. THERE'S NO GETTING THIS MONEY BACK. THERE'S NO RETURN ON THIS INVESTMENT. THERE'S NO MONETARY RETURN WHATSOEVER TO ANYONE THAT OWNS A DAM ON THESE INVESTMENTS. THE DCR SAYS THEY'RE NOT ENFORCING ANYTHING. NO THEY'RE NOT. BUT THE OPTIONS THAT ARE THERE ARE SO LIMITED THAT THE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO PUT $1 MILLION INTO A POND THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING BACK. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND THEIR ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS ON IT. AND YOU GET YOU JUST GET NO HELP FROM THEM. THESE ARE UNREASONABLE EXPECTATIONS THAT THE STATE LEAVES VERY FEW OPTIONS WITH THAT KIND OF EXPENSE, DRAINING A POND CAN BECOME THE ONLY OPTION THAT THESE PRIVATE OWNERS HAVE. AND KEEP IN MIND, STATE OWNED PONDS ARE EXEMPT FROM THESE REGULATIONS. SO THESE GUIDELINES DON'T APPLY TO THEM. SO APPARENTLY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT STATE WATERS CAUSE DAMAGE DOWNSTREAM. ONLY PRIVATELY OWNED WATER CAUSES DAMAGE DOWNSTREAM. THIS HAS ALL BEEN INCREDIBLY STRESSFUL FOR ME. I DON'T SLEEP AT NIGHT. I LAY AWAKE AT NIGHT WONDERING IF WE WILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE STATE, OR IF I WILL BE FORCED TO OPEN THE GATES ONE FINAL TIME AND WATCH A PIECE OF HISTORY WASH AWAY RIGHT BEFORE MY EYES. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING, BUT THE FINANCIAL BURDENS THAT ARE ON THESE DAM OWNERS, MYSELF INCLUDED. IT'S MIND BLOWING. AND IT HAS COMPLETELY CAUGHT US OFF GUARD. AND IF THE STATE HAD DONE THEIR JOB WHEN THEY PUT THESE LAWS IN PLACE AND INFORMED US WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HERE RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYBODY ELSE? WE HAVE OUR REPRESENTATIVE HERE, THE HONORABLE

[45:02] OTTO WACHSMANN. AND OTTO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS, PLEASE? SURE THING. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I THINK IT WAS MISS JOHNSON THAT MADE ME AWARE OF THIS. ABOUT A MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF AGO. I KIND OF PUT SOME FEELERS OUT THERE. I REALLY DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING, AND IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 2 OR 3 WEEKS AGO THAT WE REALLY STARTED GETTING THE LETTERS AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ISSUE HERE WAS. LOOKING BACK AT IT, IN 2021, THE STATE DID SEND LETTERS OUT TO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY IDENTIFIED AS THE DAM OWNERS. ONE, THEY WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR LIST WAS CURRENT AND UP TO DATE. TWO, THEY WERE ASKING FOR SURVEY. I EXPECT THAT MOST PEOPLE, LIKE SOME OF THE ONES I'VE SPOKE TO, GOTTEN THAT AND SAYS IT DOESN'T APPLY TO ME. I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE TELL ME THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THE STATE OWNED THE CONTROL OF THE DAM. NOW WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, SOMEHOW SOMETHING HAS CHANGED AND THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE. THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE. ONE INDIVIDUAL I SPOKE TO REALIZED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS. AND IN 2022, HE HIRED AN ENGINEER AT HIS OWN EXPENSE TO FILL OUT THE SURVEY AND SEND IT BACK TO THE STATE. NOW, THIS WAVE OF LETTERS THAT CAME OUT THIS YEAR IS IN RESPONSE TO THE SURVEYS THAT WERE STARTED IN 2021. THAT SAME LANDOWNER THAT GOT THE INFORMATION TO DCR HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT THEY LOOKED AT IT AND THEN SENT THEM. I'M UNDERSTANDING A LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAKE THAT THAT DAM COMPLY. THAT FIGURE CAME BACK ABOUT A HALF TO THREE QUARTERS OF $1 MILLION. THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT TO PUT ON A PRIVATE LANDOWNER. I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THAT GENTLEMAN'S THINKING ABOUT BREAKING THAT DAM AND AND LOSING THAT POND. I'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME WITH MISS JOHNSON. SHE HAD A REALLY NICE, WELL ORGANIZED MEETING WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNED PEOPLE AT SEDLEY HUNT CLUB NEAR THEIR THEIR POND. TO ME IT WAS MOST NOTABLE. AND EVERYBODY WAS VERY RATIONAL UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THIS, AND I GOT TO HEAR A LOT OF THEIR CONCERNS. I STARTED TRYING TO CONTACT THE DIRECTOR OF DCR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF WEEKS AGO. THAT OFFICE FINALLY CALLED ME BACK. I SPOKE WITH DIRECTOR NICKI ROVNER. ONE OF THE ANSWERS THAT I WANTED TO KNOW WAS WHAT PONDS WERE IMPACTED IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE 83RD DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING I'VE HEARD NUMBERS TURN AROUND THAT THERE'S ABOUT 2000 PONDS IN THE STATE THAT THIS IMPACTS. LOOKING AT THE LIST, I BELIEVE THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED 13 DAMS IN SOUTHAMPTON. THEY'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF 18 DAMS, BUT FIVE OF THEM DON'T APPLY TO THIS CONDITION. SO IT IS 13. THERE'S ROUGHLY 140 SOME ODD LOCALITIES IN THE STATE. SOUTHAMPTON HAS ABOUT 20. IF YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY JUST 100 LOCALITIES, THE 2000 PER STATE SEEMS LIKE IT'S A REALISTIC EXPECTATION, BUT I AM EXPECTING MORE INFORMATION BACK FROM THAT. WHEN I SPOKE TO DIRECTOR ROVNER, I MADE HER AWARE OF SEDLEY'S FIRE DEPARTMENT ISSUES. THEY APPROACHED ME WHEN I WAS AT, I WENT TO THEIR COMMUNITY DAY A FEW WEEKS AGO. SOME OF THEM REMEMBERED ME, CONTACTED ME BACK AS WELL AS. SHERYL JOHNSON SAID THE IMPORTANCE OF SEDLEY DOES NOT HAVE PRESSURIZED FIRE HYDRANTS, SO THEY RELY ON SOME OF THE DRY HYDRANTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE PONDS. IF THEY LOSE THOSE PONDS, SHOULD IT BE A STRUCTURE FIRE, IT'S GOING TO BE 20 OR SO MINUTES FOR THEM TO TRAVEL TO HUNTER DALE TO REFILL THOSE FIRE TRUCKS THAT THEY PROBABLY CAN EMPTY IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES AT A STRUCTURE FIRE. SO THAT'S A REAL SAFETY HAZARD TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND SEDLEY. DIRECTOR ROVNER EXPRESSED TO ME THAT WAS THE FIRST THAT SHE HAD HEARD OF THAT. THAT THAT IS A NEW, NEW TYPE OF THING THAT SHE'S GOING TO GO INTO. SHE ALSO EXPRESSED TO ME TO THE LETTERS THAT WERE SENT OUT TO THE DAM OWNERS LAST YEAR, SHE WISHED THAT THEY COULD WORD THOSE, THOSE LETTERS SEPARATELY BECAUSE SHE SAID THEY'RE VERY MUCH WILLING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE. SO FAR, THEY HAVE NOT ISSUED ANY ORDERS TO BREAK ANY DAMS OR LOWER ANY WATER LEVELS. I DID MAKE HER AWARE OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT. HER, SHE RESPONDED BACK BEFORE I UNDERSTOOD THE MORE RECENT INFORMATION THAT SHE'LL BE HERE NEXT MONTH. THEY SAID THAT THAT THE INVITATION OF THE COUNTY, THEY'D BE GLAD TO COME DOWN. PREVIOUSLY, I HAD ASKED IF SHE COULD COME DOWN OR SOMEBODY FROM DCR TO HAVE A MEETING WITH ME, YOUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, ANYBODY ELSE LOCAL ON THE BOARD, AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF THE LANDOWNERS, LIKE MISS JOHNSON. AND SHE AGREED AT THAT TIME TO DO THAT. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THEY HAVE, THIS HAS SUDDENLY BECOME AN ISSUE WITHOUT A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE PARTIES INVOLVED. I'M HOPING THAT AS WE HAVE MORE COMMUNICATION WITH THE PARTIES INVOLVED, THAT THERE'D BE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING AND A RESOLUTION IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER. I'VE JUST KIND OF REALLY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THIS ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO AND HAVE BEEN MAKING A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS SINCE THEN. I'D BE GLAD TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN. ANY QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD? HOW ABOUT YOU FOLKS OUT THERE? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? FOR YOUR REPRESENTATIVE.

[50:06] I GOT A SOMETHING THAT STRUCK ME LISTENING TO LISTENING TO PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT. BUT ALSO LAST, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THIS SEEMS TO TOUCH SEVERAL AGENCIES. IS THERE ANY CHANCE OR DO YOU THINK THERE MIGHT BE A CHANCE OF THESE AGENCIES GETTING TOGETHER? I MEAN DWP, DUCKS AND WILDLIFE, RARE WATERFOWL, THE AGRICULTURE, THE FORESTRY DEPARTMENT NOT TO MENTION THE TOWN OF SEDLEY. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THOSE OTHER AGENCIES COULD PUT TOGETHER SOME KIND OF PLAN TO HELP THESE COMMUNITIES AT LEAST SET UP SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR GRANTS AND KIND OF DEFRAY, HELP DEFRAY SOME OF THIS CAUSES. I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM KNOWS THE VALUE OF HAVING THOSE PONDS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE PRIVATE. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER WITH A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BECAUSE IT REALLY AFFECTS A LOT OF LIVES AND A LOT OF PROPERTY. AND IF THAT'S GONE, THE STATE LOSES. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WHO MIGHT COULD MENTION THIS, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY GET IT IN FRONT OF SOME OF THESE OTHER AGENCIES THAT THAT, THAT IT TOUCHES AND IS INVOLVED AND THEY MIGHT BE ABLE WITHIN THEMSELVES TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO HELP. I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST SUPERVISOR GILLETTE. I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. THAT'S SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I WANT TO ASK THE DIRECTOR WHEN WE GET THAT MEETING. THAT'S HOPEFULLY COMING UP JUST WITHIN THE LAST WEEK. WE'VE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO DO THAT YET. THERE HAS BEEN SOME MONIES AVAILABLE FOR HELPING PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS CORRECT THIS SITUATION. THE GENTLEMAN THAT I MENTIONED HAD SPENT THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OUT OF POCKET ALREADY WITH THE ENGINEER BACK IN 2022. THEY ACTUALLY FOUND OUT THAT, DID SOME RESEARCH, FOUND THAT THERE WAS SOME MONIES AVAILABLE. I THINK THE STATE HAD $19 MILLION TO HELP OFFSET THE COST FOR THESE CORRECTIONS. THAT MONEY WAS ALREADY EXHAUSTED BEFORE THEY FOUND OUT. IT'S IT'S FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT FOUND OUT ABOUT IT EARLY EXHAUSTED THAT SUPPLY. AS FAR AS THE ENDANGERED SPECIES, I'VE KIND OF THOUGHT THE SAME THING IS WHAT YOU JUST SUGGESTED, BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS ISSUE WITH DCR IS ON PROTECTING PERSONAL LIVES, AND THAT SUPERSEDES ANY OF THE ENDANGERED SPECIES TYPES OF EFFORTS THAT, THAT I HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED TO. BUT CERTAINLY WHEN WE CAN GET THIS MEETING, I THINK THOSE ARE VERY VALID QUESTIONS TO LOOK INTO. IT TOOK ME A WEEK TO FIND OUT WHAT AGENCY ACTUALLY WAS SENDING THE LETTERS OUT. I'M SURE THAT THE AGENCY IS AWARE OF THE PROBLEM THAT WAS EXPERIENCED IN 99 WITH THERE WERE TWO HURRICANES, EIGHT DAYS APART, DENNIS AND FLOYD, THAT CREATED A 100 YEAR FLOOD, AND THE FLOODPLAIN DID ITS JOB. THE WAY I SEE IT IT IT HELD UP. NOBODY'S LIFE WAS LOST. I DON'T THINK IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THERE WERE HOMES THAT WERE DESTROYED. AND I, I DON'T WELL, WHEN SHE COMES, I'M GOING TO ASK HER ABOUT ANY THOUGHT OF THAT OCCURRING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN, EVEN WITH ENGINEERS OUT THERE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO PREVENT A NATURAL ACT OF GOD DESTROYING THAT DAM. I'M SURE THERE ARE STORMS THAT COULD COME TOGETHER AND DROP MORE RAIN HERE. KIND OF LIKE IT DID UP IN NELSON COUNTY BACK IN 1969. THAT'S WHERE THE SONG CAME FROM. WHO'LL STOP THE RAIN. AND I THINK THE PEOPLE IN HERE THAT REMEMBER THAT AND REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED. TRUE. THAT WAS IN THE MOUNTAINOUS AREA WITH WATER COMING DOWN A MOUNTAIN, PUSHING THE TOPSOIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO GET OUT OF THE BATHTUB. YEAH. I DON'T THINK THIS TOPOGRAPHY OR GEOGRAPHY IS IS PERTINENT TO

[55:05] A STORM LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK THE THE AMOUNT OF WATER WAS LIKE 17IN OF RAIN OVERNIGHT. IT JUST CAME UP FROM THE GULF AND ALL OF A SUDDEN JUST DROPPED IT. THE BIRDS DROWNED IN THE TREES. RIGHT THERE. SITTING IN THE TREE. HOWEVER IT'S QUESTIONABLE TO ME, EVEN IF THEY DO ALL THAT WORK, THAT THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT A STORM FROM COMING AND PROVE THAT WORK TO BE WRONG. I DO AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT. AND I THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DAMS THAT BURST IN THE PAST WITH NO LOSS OF LIFE OR PROPERTY, THE QUESTION I THINK I HEARD YOU ASK WAS, DID ANY OF THAT KNOWLEDGE GO INTO THESE DECISIONS IN RICHMOND? AND I HAVE A FEELING IT DID NOT. I DON'T KNOW OF HOW THE STATE WOULD HAVE CAPTURED THAT INFORMATION IF THEY DID, BUT I'M. THAT'S OTHER INFORMATION I THINK WE NEED TO BRING UP AT THIS MEETING THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I'LL BE GLAD TO STICK AROUND AFTER THE MEETING, TOO. IF SOMEBODY THINKS OF SOMETHING LATER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE AND INPUT, SIR. THANK YOU ALL. ANY BIOLOGISTS HERE. MAYBE WE FIND SOME ENDANGERED SPECIES IN THESE PONDS. I HEARD TODAY, I HEARD TODAY THERE WAS A CHICKEN HEAD, TURTLE TAIL SOMEWHERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE. YOU HEARD THAT, TOO. I'M STARTING TO LOOK. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? REMEMBER THE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. WE'LL HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE HERE AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TALK. COME ON UP, SIR. SIR. GOOD EVENING. I'M HERE REPRESENTING IRENE DARDEN FIELD AND HER SON, EDWARD FIELD. AND WE JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO AS FAR AS CLEARING THE WOODS BEHIND THE DAM IN 2024. AND IF THE TREES IN THE ADJACENT TRACT DIDN'T NEED TO BE LOGGED AT THAT TIME, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE HARVESTED A HALF ACRE OF HUMONGOUS PINE TREES IN THAT AREA THAT YOU HAD TO CLEAR 40FT BEHIND THE DAM, WHICH NOW HAS CHANGED TO 25FT. AND IT'S ALSO 600FT OF DAM FRONTAGE. WE RECENTLY SPENT MONEY TO CLEAR THE FRONT FACE OF THE SIGNIFICANT WOODY VEGETATION AS DESCRIBED IN OUR INSPECTION REPORT. WE ALSO HAVE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE DAM FACE TO REMOVE THE VEGETATION AT THE BACK OF THE DAM WITH THE 25 FOOT BUFFER AND AT THE FRONT FACE OF THE DAM. SO WE HAVE TO KEEP DOING THAT TO BE ABLE TO PASS OUR INSPECTION. OUR INSPECTION WAS COMPLETED IN JUNE. WE'RE CERTIFIED FOR TWO YEARS. AND THE REPORT SPECIFICALLY NOTED THERE IS NO SEEPAGE IN THE BASE OF OUR DAM. STUFF WE HAVE DONE WITHOUT BEING TOLD BY THE STATE, AS WE INTRODUCED A FLOTATION DEVICE TO WARN BOATERS TO KEEP AWAY FROM THE SLUICE BECAUSE WHERE THE HARD PART OF THE DAM WHERE THE MILL USED TO BE. IF ANYBODY WENT OVER THAT, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO LIVE THROUGH THAT. 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN THE DAM BROKE, MRS FIELD REPLACED THE WHOLE DAM, REDID THE SLUICE. THEY ALSO WANT US TO OPEN. THERE'S A LITTLE TURNSTILE THAT THEY WANT US TO OPEN. BUT YOU KNOW, MY QUESTION WITH THAT IS, IF WE OPEN THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT CAN'T BE CLOSED THE RIGHT WAY? THAT MEANS ALL THE WATER IS GOING TO DRAIN OUT OF THE POND, AND THEN WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO SQUARE ONE. WE MAINTAIN THE SPILLWAY. WE RECOGNIZE IT'S IMPORTANT THE SPILLWAY FUNCTIONS PROPERLY. WE WANT THE WATER TO FLOW OVER AND DRAIN AWAY AND NOT BACK UP TO IMPACT ANY OF THE PROPERTY HOLDERS THAT LIVE ALONG DARDEN MILL POND. WE HAVE FRUSTRATION WITH THE TERM SIGNIFICANT HAZARD. THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS. THERE'S LOW SIGNIFICANT AND HIGH HAZARD WHICH THEY USE FOR THE DAM. THIS IS BECAUSE THERE IS POTENTIAL OF FLOODING TO THE ROAD WHICH IS 646 OR GOVERNOR DARDEN THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES NEAR THERE ARE A HOUSE MRS FIELD OWNS. IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE DAM LOOKING AWAY TOWARDS GOVERNOR DARDEN, THERE'S A HOUSE TO THE LEFT. THE ONLY REASON WE FALL IN THE MIDDLE CATEGORY AND HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY TWO YEARS IS BECAUSE OF HER HOUSE THAT SITS THERE. PLUS, YOU KNOW, GOVERNOR DARDEN ROAD THERE'S NO OTHER HOUSES DOWNSTREAM AND THE ROAD WOULD FLOOD ANYWAY DURING 100 YEAR RAINSTORM, WHICH THEY ARE MAKING US OR 100 YEAR PLUS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE US MAKE THE DAM TOO.

[1:00:02] AND THE BRIDGE DOWNSTREAM FROM THE SPILLWAY IS ONLY RATED FOR A TEN YEAR STORM. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE PREPARING FOR A 100 YEAR FLOOD? AND IS THE STATE GOING TO PREPARE THAT BRIDGE FOR A 100 YEAR FLOOD, WHICH I HOPE NOT, BECAUSE PEOPLE ALREADY FLY DOWN GOVERNOR DARDEN AND WIDEN THAT BRIDGE WOULD MAKE IT EVEN WORSE. IF THIS DAM WAS RECLASSIFIED AS A LOW HAZARD, THIS WOULD REDUCE THE REGULATORY OVERSIGHT. THE STATE IN JULY HAS JUST REDUCED AND SIMPLIFIED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR LOW HAZARD DAMS. SO I THINK THAT'S EVERY 3 OR 4 YEARS THAT YOU HAVE TO GET THAT INSPECTED WHERE WE'RE AT EVERY TWO YEARS, HIGH RISK DAMS YEAR EVERY YEAR. SO IF WE HAD ANY HOUSES DOWNSTREAM OF THE DAM, WE'D HAVE TO GET THE SAME INSPECTION BY THE SAME ENGINEERS EVERY SINGLE YEAR, WHICH COSTS MONEY. YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT THE REGULATIONS WERE DESIGNED FOR DAMS IN HILLY AREAS WHERE A BREACH WOULD RELEASE A LOT OF FLASH, FAST FLOWING WATER, AND WHERE THERE ARE HOUSES AND OTHER IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE BELOW THE DAM. WE BASICALLY JUST HAVE THE ROAD, A SMALL HOUSE MS. FIELD OWNS, A BARN THAT'S DOWN OUTSIDE OF THE SWAMP. AND THE WATER WOULD JUST FLOW INTO THAT SWAMP AND GO DOWN THROUGH THE COUNTRY CLUB LIKE IT DID WHEN THE DAM BURST IN 1999. SO WE HOPE THAT Y'ALL WILL HELP US TRY AND FIND A, YOU KNOW, CLEAR PATH TO WHAT THE STATE WANTS WITH EVERYTHING AND NOT PUT A LOT OF THESE LANDOWNERS IN A TERRIBLE FINANCIAL SITUATION. BECAUSE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER DAMS IN THE AREA, IF THEY HAVE TO CLEAR 40FT, JOHNSON MILL POND, FOR EXAMPLE, SHE HAS TO CLEAR 25FT OFF OF THE SIDE OF THAT DAM. HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO COST TO LOG ALL THOSE TREES? SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME OUT AND LOOK, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE DID AND WHAT WE HAD TO MITIGATE. THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT US HAVING TO RAISE THE DAM ANOTHER FOOT AND EXTEND THE NATURAL SPILLWAY ANOTHER 50FT. SO. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NOBODY ELSE. COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION HERE. DO YOU WANT TO SAVE THAT TILL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING? SURE. AND WE CAN WE DO THAT. WE CAN REFINE IT. WE'LL REFINE THAT WITH OUR NEW INFORMATION. YES, SIR. OKAY. WE HAD A RESOLUTION TO READ TONIGHT AND VOTE ON, BUT WE'LL WAIT THAT TILL WE GET MORE INFORMATION AND DO IT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. LIKE I SAID, SEPTEMBER MEETING. WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE HERE AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND TALK. COME ON UP. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME IS ROBERT DARDEN. I LIVE AT 19031 LAKESIDE DRIVE. I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE SITUATION, BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORICAL CONTEXT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSPECTIVE. I WAS MEMBER OF FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND JOHNSON MILLPOND IS A CRITICAL PORTION NOT ONLY FOR THE LITTLE VILLAGE OF SEDLEY AND SEDLEY FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT AS WELL AS HUNTER DALE AND IVOR AND COURTLAND. WHAT MAKES JOHNSON MILLPOND SUCH A VALUABLE ASSET AS FAR AS WATER SUPPLIES, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS KNOWN AS A, IT'S A SOLID WATER SUPPLY. IT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE. IT IS NOT AFFECTED VERY MUCH BY DROUGHT. IT'S NOT AFFECTED VERY MUCH BY LIKE A RESERVOIR TYPE WHERE WATER LEVELS ARE GOING TO VARY. IT IS ALWAYS A A STANDARD LEVEL OF WATER IN THAT POND. AND DARDEN MILL POND IS IS MUCH THE SAME WAY. HOWEVER, DARDEN MILLPOND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONFIGURED, IT'S HARD TO GET TRUCKS IN THERE TO TO MAKE A WATER SUPPLY AND BEGIN A TANKER SHUTTLE. A COUPLE OF FIRES THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF. SADLY, WHEN THE CHURCH BURNED THERE AT THE CROSS ROAD AND SADLY, THEY USED MR. BLAND'S POND DURING THAT TIME TO GATHER WATER AND SIGNIFICANTLY DROP THE WATER LEVEL IN THAT POND. A SMALL POND CANNOT WITHSTAND THE FLOW OF A FIRE FLOW THAT GOES ON FOR SEVERAL HOURS. AND SO THAT AGAIN, BRINGS US BACK TO THE POINT WHERE JOHNSON'S MILL POND IS SO CRITICAL AND SO VALUABLE. SOMEONE SPOKE A MINUTE AGO, A LITTLE WHILE AGO, ABOUT THE VIRGINIA BEACH PIPELINE AND THE HYDRANTS THAT ARE ON THAT IN ISLE OF WIGHT. THERE IS A HYDRANT BEHIND THE FIRE STATION. SADLY, HOWEVER, THAT SYSTEM, ALTHOUGH THAT PIPE IS VERY LARGE AND IS LIKE 96IN IN DIAMETER, IT IS A VERY, VERY LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM. IT LITERALLY TAKES ABOUT FIVE FIVE MINUTES TO FILL A FIVE GALLON BUCKET OF WATER OUT OF THAT HYDRANT, BECAUSE THE WATER PRESSURE IS SO LOW. IT'S ALL VOLUME. IT'S NOT PRESSURE. OKAY, SO IT DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD TO HAVE A HYDRANT ON THAT SYSTEM.

[1:05:05] SO I HOPE THIS IS SOME HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE TO HELP YOU GUYS WITH. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE [INAUDIBLE] JANE JOHNSON MILL [INAUDIBLE] ANYBODY ELSE? YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DYLAN DUKE. I LIVE AT 21308 DIXIE FARM ROAD. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THESE MILL PONDS, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I UTILIZED THEM TO FISH AND HUNT AND OTHER RECREATIONS. DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION IS IN THE NAME. I WOULD HOPE THEY COULD SEE THAT PEOPLE AROUND HERE USE THESE PONDS PRETTY FREQUENTLY. I HAVE STUDIED ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE AT A UNIVERSITY. SO I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS THAT ARE GOING TO COME FROM THIS. IF THESE PONDS WERE TO BE DRAINED, WHICH IS A DRASTIC SOLUTION IN MY OPINION. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT HAS TO BE DONE, OTHER THAN REPAIRING THESE DAMS, THEN THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NEGATIVE EFFECTS DOWN SLOPE, SUCH AS LOSS OF THESE SWAMPS THAT WE HAVE. THERE'S PLENTY OF SWAMPS. IF YOU DRIVE BY ANY OF THESE MILL PONDS, ALMOST ALL OF THEM HAVE SPILLWAYS THAT DRAIN INTO SWAMPS. THOSE SWAMPS HARVEST WILDLIFE, ANY KIND OF TREES. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF SPECIES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST FIRE DEPARTMENTS OR ANYTHING ELSE OF THAT NATURE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. I WILL SAY THAT ON THE REGULATORY SIDE OF THINGS, THERE IS NO GETTING RID OF THIS. THE ONLY SOLUTION WILL BE TO FIX THE PROBLEM, WHICH IS WHERE THE FINANCIAL ASPECT IS COMING FROM, WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SO CONCERNED. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NEGATIVE EFFECTS IF ANY OF THESE PONDS ARE TO BE DRAINED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, BE PREPARED FOR SEPTEMBER. YES, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'M BILL HANCOCK. I LIVE OVER ON COTTAGE HILL ROAD, AND SADLY, AND I'VE ONLY RECENTLY BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE VIRGINIA DAM SAFETY ACT OF FROM 1982 AND THE DAM SAFETY INVENTORY SYSTEM, WHICH WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 20 2021, AS I UNDERSTAND IT THAT COMPUTERIZED SYSTEM THAT IDENTIFIED MORE THAN 2000 PRIVATE DAMS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH, 17 IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AND AS WELL, LANDOWNERS WERE INFORMED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION THAT THEIR DAMS WERE STATE REGULATED AND OUT OF COMPLIANCE. VERY FEW, IF ANY, KNEW FOR 40 YEARS THIS WAS IN EFFECT. AS DAM OWNERS, THEY ARE NOW STRICTLY LIABLE FOR DAMAGE TO PUBLIC ROADS OR INJURIES TO PERSONS OR PROPERTY BY THE FAILURE OF THEIR EARTHEN DAMS. AN EXTENSIVE LIST OF REQUIREMENTS MAKE COMPLIANCE COST PROHIBITIVE TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN A DAM BY PRIVATE LANDOWNER. FOR MY NEIGHBOR, HIS ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS TO BREAK THE DAM AND DRAIN THE POND, WHICH WILL DESTROY A LONG ESTABLISHED ECOSYSTEM THAT SUPPORTS A WIDE VARIETY OF WILDLIFE. A YEARLY STOPPING PLACE FOR MIGRATORY WATERFOWL AND A MUCH FAVORED DESTINATION FOR HUNTERS AND FISHERMEN SINCE THE MID 19TH CENTURY. YOU WOULD THINK THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION AND RECREATION WOULD BE ABOUT PRESERVING THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND PRESERVING WILDLIFE OF THIS ECOSYSTEM. THIS APPEARS TO BE A TYPICAL ONE SIZE FITS ALL BUREAUCRATIC APPROACH THAT IGNORES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RECENT

[1:10:03] FLOODING IN WESTERN VIRGINIA MOUNTAIN TERRAIN AND SOUTHEAST VIRGINIA SWAMP LANDS WHERE FLOODING EVENTS WERE DISPERSED. AND FLOOD WATER WAS CONFINED TO SWAMPY AREAS AND SLOWED BY SWAMP LAND FOREST OF TREES. TO MY KNOWLEDGE WITHOUT ENDANGERING LIFE OR PROPERTY. WHAT IS ALSO IGNORED IS THE VALUE OF THE PONDS TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. FIRE DEPARTMENTS BENEFIT BY SUPPLYING WATER CLOSE AT HAND AT JOHNSON'S MILL. FARMERS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE A POND ON THEIR PROPERTY BENEFIT BY SOURCE OF IRRIGATION WATER IN TIMES OF DROUGHT. FOR MANY YEARS, WHITEFIELDS POND WAS A SITE OF BOY SCOUT EXTENSIVE CAMP CAMPING TRIPS AND GORDON'S POND, WHERE GIRL SCOUTS SPENT WEEKS CAMPING. I AM ONLY ON THE TAIL END OF WHITEFIELDS POND AND SOME DISTANCE FROM THE DAM IN QUESTION, BUT THIS OVERBEARING UNREASONABLE SO-CALLED SAFETY ACT IS TOO HEAVY HANDED TO STAY QUIET. A MEASURE OF COMMON SENSE IS NEEDED HERE. INSTEAD OF DEMANDS THAT ARE TOO COSTLY FOR MANY LANDOWNERS TO COMPLY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, SIR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING, DAVID EDWARDS. SEDLEY, VIRGINIA. SAID I WASN'T GOING TO TALK TONIGHT, BUT I AM GOING TO TALK. AND THIS IS ALL ABOUT LIABILITY. THIS IS ALL THIS IS. SO I'M GOING TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF BLAME ON SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY LETTING PEOPLE BUILD IN SWAMP AREAS IN 1999. THAT WAS THE BIG FLOOD. I LIVE ON A SWAMP. WELL, FROM MY FARMS ON A SWAMP. THERE WAS THREE HOUSES DOWN THERE THAT WERE BUILT IN A SWAMP AND ALL OF THEM FLOODED. SO WE NEED TO WATCH WHERE TO LET THESE PEOPLE BUILD IN FUTURE BECAUSE THIS IS LIABILITY. YOU KNOW, IT IS A SHAME THIS IS HAPPENING. MY LANDOWNER OWNS ONE OF THESE DAMS. HE ASKED ME WHAT WOULD I DO? I TELL HIM I'D BREAK THE DAM BECAUSE IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR THE MONEY THAT THEY NEED. I TOLD HIM I'D BREAK THE DAM, AND THEN I GET SOMEBODY TO TRAP SOME BEAVERS AND THROW THEM BACK IN THERE. LET THEM DAM IT BACK UP. I MEAN, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. IT'S A SHAME THAT JOHNSTON'S MILL POND. THE STATE HAS A ROAD RIGHT THROUGH THERE. Y'ALL PUT A TOLL BOOTH UP. THAT'S WHAT I WHAT YOU OUGHT TO DO. AND GET YOUR MONEY BACK. ONE MILL POND, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF IT QUALIFIES, WHICH IS BELOW JOHNSTON'S MILL POND AND WHITFIELD POND, BOTH OF THEM GOING TO DRAIN INTO ONE STATE ROAD. IS THE DAM FOR THAT TOO? I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE LANDOWNER KNOWS ABOUT ALL THAT. SO ANYHOW, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT WE JUST CAN'T. YOU NEED TO STAND BEHIND THESE LANDOWNERS SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER, TO KEEP THESE DAMS THE WAY THEY ARE. I COULD IRRIGATE OUT OF ONE OF THESE PONDS WITH THIS WHITFIELD POND IF I WANTED TO FARM, BUT IT'S, I MEAN, WHEN I FARMED, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE FOR ME. BUT ANYHOW, WE NEED TO WATCH. WILL IT LET PEOPLE BUILD HOUSES ON DOWNSTREAM? IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SERIOUS BECAUSE DOWN THE ROAD WITH MY FARM, I PADDLED THE BOAT AROUND THREE HOUSES BEFORE THEY WERE BUILT THERE. AND THEN Y'ALL, THEY LET THEM BUILD OUT AND I SEE WATER UP INTO THE WINDOW. SO ANYHOW, THAT'S MY TWO CENTS WORTH. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY THAT HASN'T BEEN SAID TONIGHT? AND ON COMMENT ON THIS SITUATION. I WAS KIND OF, LIKE, BEFUDDLED WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY

[1:15:06] COULD OWN A DAM OR WHATEVER. SO THAT WAS ALMOST LIKE THAT TV COMMERCIAL. OH, DAM [LAUGHS]. BUT I THINK FOR CLARITY'S SAKE, THERE SHOULD BE A FACT SHEET DEVELOPED ON THIS MATTER. SO INDIVIDUALS WILL KNOW WHAT VIRGINIA CODE AND EVERYTHING IS INVOLVED IN IT. SO EVERYBODY BE ON THE SAME FACTUAL PAGE ON IT AND FROM THAT POINT ON, THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE ALONG THE LINES OF WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT. WHAT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE ACTIONS ARE AND WHAT DEPARTMENT REGULATES IT. AND ALSO TOO, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A RUMOR MILL OF NON-FACTUAL ITEMS, WHICH CAN KEEP YOUR STUFF STIRRED UP AND NOT GET YOU ANYWHERE. SO FIRST OF ALL, AS A PRIORITY. GET ALL YOUR REGULATIONS AND STUFF THAT EVERYBODY'S CONVERSATIONS BEING BASED ON SO THEY WILL HAVE ACTUAL FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE GOING BECAUSE YOU AS A BOARD ARE GOING TO ONLY BE ABLE TO OPERATE ON THOSE STATE LAWS AND FACTS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, THEN WE'LL CLOSE THIS AND KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS IN MIND AND DO YOUR RESEARCH AND TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. AND SEPTEMBER. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER CROWD. WE MAY HAVE TO MEET SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WE'LL SEE EVERYBODY IN SEPTEMBER. OKAY. I DO HAVE. A FEW THINGS TO SAY ON THE MATTER, IF I CAN, BEFORE WE MOVE ON. I'LL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS I CAN. AND I DO BELIEVE IN TIME STEWARDSHIP WHEN IT COMES TO EVERYBODY ELSE'S, BECAUSE I DO VALUE MINE. BUT IF I COULD, BEFORE WE MOVED ON. HEY, CHRIS. PULL YOUR MICROPHONE A LITTLE CLOSER. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I TRY NOT TO. I CAN'T HEAR MYSELF, SO I TRY NOT TO BLAST EVERYBODY ELSE OUT EITHER WHEN I TALK. SO. IS THAT BETTER? EVERYBODY I JUST, I, I'VE TAKEN A LOT OF NOTES BECAUSE I'VE LISTENED TO WHAT EVERYBODY HAS HAD TO SAY, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AS IT IS EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. AND I, I THINK A FEW THINGS MERIT REPEATING AND MAYBE HIGHLIGHTING AS WE MOVE INTO OUR, OUR COMING WEEKS AND, AND, AND DAYS AND THEN IN OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING. BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING ANYWAY, AND IF AND IF ANY OF THIS IS INCORRECT, PLEASE APPROACH ME AFTER THE MEETING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M STRAIGHT ON ALL OF IT. BUT THIS IS A RURAL PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES THAT NEEDS TO BE HIGHLIGHTED. I STARTED VOLUNTEERING IN THIS COUNTY WHEN I WAS 14 YEARS OLD. I'VE BEEN IN PUBLIC SAFETY FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. IT'S THESE WATER SYSTEMS ARE CRITICAL TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR MUNICIPAL WATER SYSTEMS IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. WE DON'T HAVE A MUNICIPAL WATER SUPPLY. WE DON'T HAVE MUNICIPAL WATER. WE DON'T HAVE PRESSURIZED WATER SYSTEMS. WHEN WE HAVE FIRES, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENTS DEPEND ON THEM AS A CRITICAL MEANS OF OF WATER SUPPLY. AND IF THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE NOT THERE. I CAN REMEMBER MANY, MANY OF THESE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY HAVE STATE FUNDED BACK, BACK IN THE DAY. YOU GUYS REMEMBER WHEN THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY FUNDED DRY HYDRANTS AND THEY WERE INSTALLED, THEY WERE STATE FUNDED, GRANT FUNDED DRY HYDRANTS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF FORESTRY WERE INSTALLED IN MANY OF THESE BODIES OF WATER, THE VERY BODIES OF WATER THAT THE STATE IS NOW LOOKING TO DRAIN, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING PUBLIC SAFETY, I THINK, IS KEY HERE. IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY TRAIN THESE THINGS. THEY'RE WILLING TO TRADE ONE PERCEIVED RISK FOR FOR WHAT THEY'RE THEY'RE SAYING IS A PERCEIVED RISK FOR A MUCH GREATER ONE, IN MY VIEW OF A REGULATORY COST FORCES THE OWNER TO DRAIN THE POND. THE COMMONWEALTH MAY HAVE REDUCED THE DAM RELATED CONCERN WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY ELIMINATING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OR PROBABLY MILLIONS IN ALL ACTUALITY, OF GALLONS OF WATER THAT'S IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE, AS I MENTIONED, FOR FIREFIGHTING. THE QUESTION REALLY NEEDS TO BE ASKED IS THE JUICE REALLY WORTH THE SQUEEZE? THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS? ARE WE ARE WE GAINING MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE LOSING BY ACTUALLY DRAINING THE PONDS? IS AS THE HONORABLE OTTO WACHSMANN INDICATED EARLIER, WHAT THE DCR IS REALLY LOOKING FOR IS PROTECTING PERSONAL LIVES AND PROPERTY.

[1:20:09] THERE HADN'T BEEN A SINGLE LIFE OR PIECE OF PROPERTY LOST IN ANY OF OUR LIFETIMES. SO THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A VERY THERE. THEIR ARGUMENT IS REALLY WATERED DOWN. I MEAN, FORGIVE THE EXPRESSION. I MEAN, THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A VERY STRONG LEG TO STAND ON WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR MAJOR ARGUMENT THERE. JUST BECAUSE THIS IS A LONG STANDING REGULATION, IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT IT'S A SENSIBLE REGULATION. JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE. IN FACT, THE REQUIREMENT HAS EXISTED FOR YEARS. JUST NOT JUST DOES NOT MAKE IT MEAN THAT ITS APPLICATION TODAY IS REASONABLE, PROPORTIONATE, OR FREE OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. OUR STATE GOVERNMENT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO EXAMINE OUTCOMES AND NOT SIMPLY POINT TO THE AGE OF THE REGULATION. THAT'S WHAT THEY KEEP SAYING. OH, IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER. IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT JUST BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER. DO YOUR JOB AND EXPLORE WHETHER OR NOT ITS APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY EFFECTIVE TODAY. THE INCONSISTENCIES ARE DIFFICULT TO DEFEND. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT STATE DAMS, IF YOU WILL. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AIRFIELD STATE OWNED DAMS SUCH AS AIRFIELD ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. WHILE PRIVATE OWNERS FACE SUBSTANTIAL REGULATORY BURDENS, THE COMMONWEALTH SHOULD EXPLAIN THE PUBLIC SAFETY RATIONALE FOR THAT DISTINCTION. LIKEWISE, WHERE A STATE MAINTAINED VDOT ROADWAY PHYSICALLY OCCUPIES A DAM IS DIFFICULT FOR ANY REASONABLE HUMAN BEING TO RATIONALIZE HOW THE COMMONWEALTH CAN BENEFIT FROM AND DEPEND UPON THAT STRUCTURE. WHILE DISCLAIMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, I AGREE PUT A TOLL ON IT. MAYBE YOU COULD LEASE THEM BACK THE DAM FOR MAYBE $100,000, A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO PUT THEIR ROAD ON IT. POSSIBLY THAT WOULD PAY FOR SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE DEMANDING YOU DO TO THE DAM. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THE ECONOMICS CAN MAKE COMPLIANCE PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. AND THEY KNOW THAT. ENGINEERING STUDIES, INSPECTIONS, EMERGENCY ACTION PLANS, REPAIRS, MODIFICATIONS AND CONTINUING COMPLIANCE COSTS CAN REACH A POINT WHERE PRIVATE LANDOWNERS ONLY ECONOMICALLY RATIONAL CHOICE IS TO DRAIN THE POND. WE'VE HEARD FROM COUNTLESS FOLKS TONIGHT EXPLAIN JUST THAT REGULATIONS SHOULD NOT CREATE AN INCENTIVE TO DESTROY A RESOURCE THAT PROVIDES SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC BENEFIT. WE'VE HEARD MANY OF THOSE BENEFITS TONIGHT. I WON'T REHASH THEM. THE CONSEQUENCES EXTEND FAR BEYOND THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER. LOSING THESE PONDS MEANS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, EVERYBODY'S MENTIONED THE FIREFIGHTING WATER SUPPLIES, THE AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES, THE WILDLIFE HABITATS, RECREATION, HISTORICAL LANDSCAPES, WATERFRONT PROPERTY VALUES, THE LOCAL TAX BASE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE PROPERTY VALUES. THE RIPPLE EFFECT GOES ON AND ON AND ON. IT'S MORE LIKE A TIDAL WAVE EFFECT. THEY HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTUAL ACTIONS BEFORE THEY ACTED. RURAL VIRGINIA AND I'M WRAPPING UP, I PROMISE. RURAL VIRGINIA CANNOT ALWAYS BE REGULATED AS THOUGH IT'S AN, IT HAS AN URBAN INFRASTRUCTURE. WHEN THERE'S NO HYDRANT EVERY 500FT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY HERE. THERE'S NO MUNICIPAL WATER SUPPLY BENEATH THE ROADS. PONDS AREN'T SIMPLY SCENIC AMENITIES THAT WE LIKE TO LOOK AT AND TAKE PICTURES OF. THEY'RE A PART OF THE RURAL PUBLIC SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE. THE COMMONWEALTH HAS GOT TO LOOK BEYOND THE REGULATION AND CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES IF COMPLIANCE BECOMES SO EXPENSIVE THAT THE RATIONAL SOLUTION IS TO DRAIN THESE PONDS. THE GOVERNMENT HASN'T NECESSARILY MADE RURAL VIRGINIA SAFER. HONESTLY, I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE. THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO MAKE US ANY SAFER. IN SOME CASES, THEY MAY HAVE DONE PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE. HONESTLY, YOU CANNOT REGULATE AWAY A RELATIVELY LIMITED RISK WHILE IGNORING THE FAR GREATER PUBLIC SAFETY, ECONOMIC, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND HISTORICAL CONSEQUENCES YOU CREATE IN ITS PLACE BY DOING WHAT IT IS THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE, PLEASE. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL'S TIME AND ALLOWING ME TO HIT SOME OF THESE HIGHLIGHTS FROM FROM MY NOTES AND PREPARE COMMENTS TONIGHT. DOCTOR EDWARDS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE IT AND LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO PASS THE RESOLUTION FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH IN SEPTEMBER. ANYWAY, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND FOR FOR COMING TO BE HERE WITH US TONIGHT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE POINT, CHRIS. YOU COVERED EVERYTHING. SO. BUT THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS MR. HANCOCK'S COMMENTS. HE SAID TWO WORDS THAT I DON'T THINK DCR KNOWS, AND THAT'S COMMON SENSE [LAUGHS]. YOU GOT TO APPLY COMMON SENSE TO ANYTHING. SO I HOPE THEY WILL TAKE HEED TO THAT. YOU'RE A HERO. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON?

[1:25:03] A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS, A LOT OF GOOD THOUGHTS. SO LIKE I SAID, SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER. GET GET, GET YOU TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. GET YOUR NEIGHBORS. IF LOOKS LIKE A BIG CROWD, WE CAN MOVE THIS MEETING SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE CAN MOVE TO THE HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM, WHICH WOULD BE PROBABLY RATHER IMPRESSIVE TO WHOEVER COMES HERE FROM THE STATE, INDICATING WE REALLY MEAN BUSINESS. IT'S A DRASTIC SITUATION. IT'S A LIFE CHANGER FOR THIS COUNTY. IF THIS JUST GOES THROUGH. OKAY. YES, SIR. I JUST HAVE ONE THING. AND YOU ALWAYS HEAR ME SAY IT. LIKE WHEN THE YOUNG LADY HAD HER EXHIBIT THERE. IF WE CAN HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT WHO ARE GOING TO SPEAK OR EVERYTHING HAVE AN EXHIBIT THAT THEY WANT TO PUT UP, SO IT CAN BE DISPLAYED UP THERE ON YOUR MONITOR SO EVERYBODY ELSE CAN SEE IT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP. I'LL DO ONE BETTER. WOULD ANY OF YOU GUYS LIKE TO HAVE A COMMITTEE OUT THERE AND GET TOGETHER A LITTLE SHOW AND TELL GROUP HERE, AND THE COUNTY WILL WORK WITH YOU, AND WE COULD PUT THAT UP ON THE SCREEN. PICTURES OF THE DIFFERENT MILL PONDS AND SCENERY AND DUCKS AND GEESE AND WHATEVER. JUST AN IDEA. LIZ JOHNSON WILL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THIS WILL BE THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 11. WE DID A COMPENSATION STUDY AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MISS LOWE TO GO THROUGH THE HIGH POINTS HERE. I KNOW THERE ARE DEPUTIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME IN FOR THIS PORTION. DO YOU? SURE. AFTER YOU GO THROUGH IT, WE'LL. CAN WE TAKE A MOMENT AND LET THEM COME IN. OKAY. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY HERE WHO'S PROTECTING THE COUNTY. I KNOW WE HAD THAT MANY OUT THERE TO DO. YEAH. WE [INAUDIBLE] THERE AND I. THERE'S NO REASON [INAUDIBLE] AGENCIES THAT IT TOUCHES. THERE'S NO REASON THEY CAN'T GET THEIR HEADS TOGETHER AND FIX THIS PROBLEM. ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE FELONY WARRANTS GO AHEAD AND LEAVE. WHAT DID YOU SAY? WHAT DID HE SAY? HE SAID, ALL OF YOU THAT HAVE FELONY WARRANTS, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND LEAVE [LAUGHS]. OH MY GOSH. YOU OKAY, WE GOT EVERYBODY OUT THAT WANTS TO GO OUT AND WE GOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME IN. COME IN. WAIT A FEW MORE MOMENTS FOR ROB. I HAVE TO TELL HIM TO WAIT A MOMENT FOR ROB. WAIT FOR ROB. HE'LL BE BACK IN A MINUTE. INSTEAD OF COMING IN. HERE. YOU GOT EM ALL, SHERIFF? OKAY. SHERIFF SAYS HE'S GOT EVERYBODY. SO, MISS LOWE. OKAY. YES, SIR. OKAY. AT LAST MONTH'S BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. DOCTOR RICK CAMPBELL JOINED US VIRTUALLY TO PRESENT HIS FINDINGS IN RELATION TO PAYPOINT HR'S COMPENSATION STUDY CONDUCTED ON BEHALF OF SOUTHAMPTON

[1:30:08] COUNTY. FOR BACKGROUND, EMPLOYEE MEETINGS BEGAN IN NOVEMBER OF 2025 AND ONCE COLLECTED WITH EVERYTHING FROM EMPLOYEES AND SUPERVISORS OVER THE SPAN OF SEVERAL WEEKS, AND AFTER GETTING SURVEYS FROM SURROUNDING EMPLOYERS IN THE FIRST PART OF 2026, PEOPLE IN HR PERFORMED COMPARISONS. DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET PROCESS, THE BOARD PLACED 590000 ASIDE TO BEGIN THE PHASE IN PROCESS. BASED ON MY PRELIMINARY CALCULATIONS OF FISCAL YEAR END 2026, WHICH ENDED JUNE 30TH, THE FINANCIAL POSITION, I BELIEVE WE ARE BEST COMPENSATION AND CLASSIFICATION STUDY AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE. I ALSO BELIEVE WE SHOULD IMPLEMENT THE STUDY 100% EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 1ST OF 2026. THIS MEANS WE WOULD HAVE SEVEN MONTHS IN FISCAL YEAR 27 AT THE NEW SALARIES, THE 50TH PERCENTILE FUNDING ONE YEAR PHASE IN WOULD BE SALARIES OVERALL $1,509,514. THE FICA COUNTY PORTION WOULD BE $115,477.82. THE RETIREMENT COUNTY PORTION WOULD BE $157,140.41. THE TOTAL FOR A 12 MONTH PERIOD WOULD BE $1,782,132.23. IN FISCAL YEAR 27, WE WOULD PAY SEVEN MONTHS OF THIS INCREASE, WHICH WILL AMOUNT TO $1,039,577.14. CONSIDERING THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALLOWED US TO PLACE $590,000 IN THE BUDGET AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR IMPLEMENTING THE STUDY, I WOULD BE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL $449,577 TO PULL FROM OUR RESERVE FUNDS IN FISCAL YEAR 27. YOUR RESERVE FUNDS ARE YOUR FUND BALANCE. IN FISCAL YEAR 25, OUR RESERVE FUNDS IN THE GENERAL FUND INCREASED BY 5.8 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 26. I EXPECT IT TO INCREASE BY 5 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 28. WE WOULD PAY 12 MONTHS AT $1,782,132.23, CONSIDERING WE HAVE THE 590,000 ALREADY BUILT INTO OUR FISCAL YEAR 27 BUDGET, THAT PAVED THE WAY TO PLAN ON 590,000 GOING FORWARD IN FISCAL YEAR 28 BUDGET, MEANING OUR SALARY AND BENEFITS BUDGET WOULD INCREASE BY 1.2 2 MILLION OVER THE BEGINNING OF FISCAL YEAR 27. THE LAST SALARY AND COMPENSATION STUDY FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY WAS COMPLETED IN AUGUST OF 2015, WITH AN IMPLEMENTATION DATE OF JULY 1ST OF 2016. THIS MEANS WHEN THE STUDY WAS PUT IN PLACE, WE WERE ALREADY UTILIZING COMPETITIVE SALARIES THAT WERE TWO YEARS OLD. THE STUDY WAS PHASED IN OVER THREE YEARS WITH NO COST OF LIVING INCREASES DURING THOSE THREE YEARS. THIS IN TURN, PUTS SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY'S EARNINGS OF EMPLOYEES BEHIND THOSE OF OUR SURROUNDING AREAS. FOR COMPARISON, IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THE 60TH PERCENTILE, THE AMOUNTS WOULD BE SALARIES $2,130,103 FICA COUNTY PORTION $162,952. RETIREMENT COUNTY PORTION $221,743. THAT TOTAL FOR 12 MONTHS WOULD BE $2,514,799. THAT WOULD BE AN OVERALL INCREASE OF $732,667, MORE THAN THE 50TH PERCENTILE PLAN. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE WISE CHOICE FOR US, JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE. THAT OPTION PUTS MORE STRESS ON THE PROCESS, AND THAT ONE WOULD NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED USING A MINIMUM OF A TWO YEAR PHASE IN. SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE NEED IS FOR I MEAN, YOU CAN ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE.

[1:35:02] OF COURSE. FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CHOOSE A FUNDING LEVEL PERCENTILE OF 50TH OR 60TH. THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE A PHASE IN PERIOD AND AT THAT POINT, PAY POINT HR WILL DETERMINE THE SALARY SCALES AND FUNDING LEVELS FOR EACH POSITION BASED ON THE BOARD'S CHOICES ABOVE. AS WE WERE TOLD AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING, THE 50TH PERCENTILE OVERALL, THOUGH, EACH EMPLOYEE WAS APPROXIMATELY 15% BELOW PAY. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. VERY GOOD. THE LAST THING YOU SAID. YES, SIR. I SAID THAT BASED ON THE PRESENTATION FROM LAST MONTH. IF WE PAY INDIVIDUALS AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE, AND THAT MEANS HALF OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES WOULD PAY MORE. HALF OF OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES WOULD BE PAYING LESS THAN US AND AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE, BASICALLY OVERALL TAKING EVERYBODY TOGETHER. INDIVIDUALS ARE 15% UNDERPAID. THANKS. YES, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE? WELL, I'VE I'VE STUDIED THIS THING. AND ALSO WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT COMING UP WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I'M THINKING MAYBE THE 50TH PERCENTILE. I MEAN, WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT CAUSING A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE BUDGET. YES, SIR. BECAUSE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS ASKING FOR ANOTHER 600,000 TO HELP WITH CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. YES, SIR. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THIS WAY. SO I'M ON BOARD WITH THE 50TH PERCENTILE RATE. WHAT DOES THE 50TH PERCENTILE RATE DO TO PRESENT SALARIES? IT RAISES THEM 15% FROM WHERE THEY ARE NOW. AND IT RAISES ALL OF THE IT RAISES THE SALARY SCALES ALSO BY 15%. AREN'T WE IN ABOUT 34 PERCENTILE BEFORE WE DID THIS STUDY? AT NUMBERS PROBABLY. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY MUCH LOWER. WE WERE IN THE BOTTOM PART. YES. THIS WILL GET US UP. LEVEL PRETTY MUCH. THIS WILL GET US TO THE POINT. SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES. WE WILL NOT BE THE LOWEST. YEAH. WE WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE. AND THEN MAYBE NEXT YEAR WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN HELP THEM SOME MORE THAT WAY. I MEAN, THIS WAY WE CAN PHASE IT IN. AND JUST ABOUT IMMEDIATELY IN DECEMBER. YES, SIR. THE OTHER WAY WOULD BE A TWO YEAR PHASE IN. YES, SIR. SHERIFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YES, SIR. AS THE SHERIFF MAKES HIS WAY TO THE PODIUM WITH A TWO YEAR PHASE IN, THAT AUTOMATICALLY PUTS YOU A YEAR BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL FROM JUMP STREET. THAT'S THE THE DOWNSIDE OF A TWO YEAR PHASE IN. YEAH. YOU'RE GETTING A HIGHER PERCENTAGE WHEN YOU FINALLY DO PHASE THE WHOLE THING IN, BUT YOU'RE BEHIND THE CURVE ALREADY BY THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY EVEN START WITH A FULL IMPLEMENTATION. THAT WOULD BE THE NEGATIVE THAT I SEE AND IMPLEMENTING THE HIGHER PERCENTILE IS THAT YOU'RE BEHIND THE CURVE ALREADY. WHEN WHEN YOU FINALLY ACTUALLY DO FULLY IMPLEMENT IT. BUT GO AHEAD, SHERIFF. GREETINGS, MEMBERS OF THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE TO THE COUNTY. ALSO, I CERTAINLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND APPROVAL OF THE 2026 PAY STUDY. I HAVE OFTEN HEARD IF YOU CAN'T KEEP UP, HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO CATCH UP? AS ALL OF YOU KNOW NOW, THE COUNTY'S PAY IS LAGGING CONSIDERABLY BEHIND SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS. EVEN WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE PERSONNEL HAVE BEEN UNDERPAID, BUT THIS OFFICE AS A WHOLE HAS GIVEN THE COMMUNITIES OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY AND THE CITY OF FRANKLIN TOP NOTCH WORK. THIS OFFICE IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE DEDICATED MEN AND WOMEN WHO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO DO THEIR JOBS.

[1:40:07] THIS IS NOT A PROFESSION THAT ONE WOULD GET RICH AT, AND THIS IS UNDERSTOOD BY THOSE CHOOSING TO WORK AND SERVE IN THIS FIELD. HOWEVER, THERE WAS AND STILL IS THE EXPECTATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECENT LIVING WHILE SERVING AND PROTECTING THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY IN THE CITY OF FRANKLIN. LATELY I HAVE BEEN TELLING MY STAFF TO HOLD ON. THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE TRYING AND MAKING EFFORT TO SEE THAT SALARIES ARE GOING TO BE COMPARABLE WITH SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS. SINCE I HAVE TAKEN OFFICE, I HAVE LOST NUMEROUS OF DEPUTIES TO THE OTHER LOCAL AGENCIES. WHEN ASKED FOR THE REASON OF LEAVING, THEY SAY THE PAY AND NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THE HIGH COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN I FELT THAT SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SHERIFF OFFICE WAS ONLY A TRAINING GROUND FOR OTHER AGENCIES. THERE HAVE BEEN, EVERY TIME AN EMPLOYEE LEAVES, IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF DISSATISFACTION, BUT MORE THAN TIMES NOT IS DUE TO PAY. SO AFTER THE EMPLOYEES GET THEIR TRAINING AND CERTIFICATION HERE, THEY SOON TAKE POSITION WITH OTHER AGENCIES. THE ONLY WAY TO ATTRACT AND KEEP GOOD CANDIDATES HERE IS TO BE OFFERED COMPARABLE PAY. THIS IS NOT MERELY A GOOD IDEA OR A SUGGESTION. THIS IS A MUST. THEREFORE, ON BEHALF OF MY STAFF, I AM ASKING THAT YOU LOOK FAVORABLY AT THE 50 PERCENTILE PAY. APPROVE IT AND MOVE FORWARD. BY DOING SO, I BELIEVE THIS WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT THE RETENTION OF LONG TERM EMPLOYEES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND CONSIDERATION TO THIS MATTER, AS WELL AS AS YOUR SERVICE TO THE COUNTY OF SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. AS YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE DEFICITS STANDING AROUND HERE, I MUST AGREE. YOU GET NOTHING BUT THE BEST SERVICE HERE IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE I EXPECT NOTHING BUT THE BEST. BUT NOT ONLY THAT, I BELIEVE THAT THESE MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE STANDING BEFORE YOU DESERVE NOTHING BUT THE BEST WHEN IT COMES TO PAY. WE SHOULD BE COMPARABLE TO OTHER AGENCIES. IT MAKES NO SENSE. WE ARE A FULL SERVICE DEPARTMENT. IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT WE GOT OTHER MEN AND WOMEN THAT STANDS RIGHT BESIDE US, WEARING A DIFFERENT COLORED UNIFORM, BUT YET. AND STILL THEY ARE BEING PAID AT MUCH HIGHER SALARY THAN US. I MEAN, IT'S HARD SOMETIMES WHEN THESE GUYS LOOK YOU IN THE FACE AND YOU GOT TO TELL THEM TO HOLD ON, HOLD ON. YOU CAN ONLY SAY HOLD ON FOR SO LONG BEFORE THEN THEY'RE GOING TO ANOTHER AGENCY. AND THERE'S A LOT OF WE HAVE LOST A LOT OF GOOD MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE COME THROUGH SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE BECAUSE OF PAY. NOTHING HURTS MORE THAN WHEN ONE OF THEM LEAVE US. BUT AGAIN, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, REALLY LOOKING AT THIS MATTER AND MAKING AN ADJUSTMENT AS YOU SEE FIT. THANK YOU [APPLAUSE]. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK I COVERED IT ALL. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT'S BOTHERSOME TO ME, IT TOOK 11 YEARS TO DO THIS THING AGAIN. THAT'S KIND OF RIDICULOUS. DO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MECHANISM IN PLACE. WE NEED TO DRAW UP SOME RULES AND REGULATIONS SO THIS IS DONE PERIODICALLY AND NOT 11 YEARS. I WILL SAY THAT WITH THE COMPANY THAT WE HAVE CONTRACTED WITH, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SINCE LAST NOVEMBER THEY HAVE GIVEN US A PATH GOING FORWARD. AND THERE WERE YEARS, MANY YEARS THAT SALARY SCALES WERE NOT INCREASED WITH THE COST OF LIVING. BUT GOING FORWARD THEY HAVE GIVEN US A PLAN AS TO HOW TO KEEP THAT SALARY SCALE UPDATED FROM YEAR TO YEAR GOING FORWARD. WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO PUBLICLY SEE THAT PATHWAY. AND THEY, THEY NEED NEED TO DISTRIBUTED, DISTRIBUTED TO THESE PEOPLE. THEY NEED TO SEE IT TOO. AND WE LOOK AT THAT NEXT MEETING. SO, I MEAN, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT FUTURE YEARS. SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS AS THE BOARD ANNUALLY GRANTS A COST OF LIVING RAISE, THEN THE SALARY SCALE AS WELL AS THEIR NEWLY DEFINED SALARIES WILL INCREASE BY WHATEVER THAT PERCENTAGE IS TOO. SO IT SHOULD KEEP US IN LINE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK TO MAINTAIN IF WE'RE GOING TO END UP RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED. YES. EVERY BUDGET YEAR, WE CAN'T JUST DO NOTHING OR WE END UP RIGHT BACK HERE AGAIN.

[1:45:04] IT MIGHT BE 5%. IT'LL BE PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS RIGHT? YES. I MEAN, I SAID AT THE ONSET OF THIS PROJECT THAT I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT AT ALL IF WE WEREN'T WILLING TO SEE IT THROUGH TO FRUITION. I'VE BEEN ON THE RECEIVING END OF MUNICIPAL PAY STUDIES COUNTLESS TIMES BEFORE, AND I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO SEE ONE THROUGH TO THIS POINT, AND IT NOT BE FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH. AND IT STINKS. SO, I MEAN, THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I WAS WILLING TO APPROVE THE PROCESS, APPROVE THE VENDOR, APPROVE THE STUDY IN THE FIRST PLACE, WAS TO GET US TO HERE TO BE ABLE TO VOTE, TO APPROVE, TO GIVE THE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR COUNTY THE MONEY THAT THEY DESERVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO I'M GLAD WE'VE GOTTEN TO HERE AND ARE HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IT THROUGH TO FRUITION. SO. ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION. DID YOU SECOND IT? CAN WE RESTATE IT? CAN. CAN I GO AHEAD? RESTATE IT. DID I STATE IT? YOU DO IT. OH ALRIGHT I MOVE.WE ADOPT THE 50TH PERCENTILE OVER A ONE YEAR IMPLEMENTATION AND OR PHASE IN AS PRESENTED IN OUR AGENDA PACKET. I'LL SECOND IT. FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. UNANIMOUS, SIR. FOLKS, I TELL YOU, WE WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE REALLY DO. OKAY, I THANK YOU. I THANK ALL OF YOU AND ALL OF YOU. YES. THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN THERE WITH US. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU [APPLAUSE]. OKAY. WE HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MR.. CARL HECK, WELCOME, CARL. GOOD EVENING, DOCTOR EDWARDS, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SOME PEOPLE STAYED. THAT'S GOOD. SO LAST MONTH EVERYBODY LAUGHED. SO THAT'S GOOD. CONGRATULATIONS TO MISS NEWSOM. I WANT TO SAY THAT IN YOUR NEW POSITION. SO WELCOME ABOARD. A FEW THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON. WE'VE HIRED AN JACKSON EDWARDS AS OUR NEW TOURISM DIRECTOR. SO SHE'LL BE STARTING WITH US ON SEPTEMBER 28TH. SHE'S MOVING OVER FROM THE RALLS MUSEUM ARTS. SO THE WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HER ARRIVAL AND RAMPING UP THE TOURISM ACTIVITIES HERE. SHE'LL BE INTRODUCED ALONG WITH OTHERS AT OUR COMMUNITY VISIONING EVENT, WHICH IS ON SEPTEMBER 16TH AT THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT CENTER. AND YOU ALL ARE INVITED. DOCTOR EDWARDS WILL BE ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS AT THAT EVENT. SO WE WILL BE OFFICIALLY UNVEILING OUR NEW BRANDING AND LOGO TAGLINE, ROOM FOR WHAT'S NEXT, ALONG WITH OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON NIGHT WATER PAST THEIR INSPECTION LAST WEEK. SO THEY'RE STARTING TO GET UP TO PRODUCTION OVER IN THE SOUTHAMPTON BUSINESS PARK. SO WE'RE PLEASED WITH THAT. OUR PARTNERS AT SPECTRUM HAVE SCHEDULED THE FINALE FOR THE BODY BROADBAND PROGRAM FOR OCTOBER 20TH FROM 11 TO 1 AT THE FRANKLIN REGIONAL AIRPORT. THAT'S THE SUFFOLK ISLE OF WIGHT SOUTHAMPTON BROADBAND PROJECT. SO THAT IS COMING TO AN END. THERE STILL IS A BIT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON HERE AND THERE, BUT THAT WILL OFFICIALLY WRAP UP THE PROJECT THAT IS BROUGHT OVER 12,000 PASSINGS INTO THE SPECTRUM SYSTEM. WE ATTENDED THE CORTLAND MAIN STREET MEETING THAT HAD ALMOST 100 PEOPLE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH. JOHN BARKSDALE, WHO'S THE HEAD OF THAT GROUP ON PROJECTS IN BOTH FRANKLIN AND SOUTHAMPTON AND I DIDN'T REALIZE LORRAINE WAS GOING TO BE HERE, BUT I WAS GOING TO. WE ARE PERIODICALLY GOING TO MENTION THE IMAGINATION LIBRARY AND ON THE DAY DOLLY PARTON DIED, IT'S APPROPRIATE. SO WE THERE ARE 153 STUDENTS CURRENTLY SIGNED UP IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. SO LORRAINE AND HER AGENCY ARE TAKING MORE ENTRIES. WE'D LIKE TO GET EVERY STUDENT. WHAT ABOUT 300 NOW?

[1:50:04] I JUST GOT WELL, THAT INCLUDES FRANKLIN FRANKLIN. I JUST DID SOUTHAMPTON THE OTHER ONES. BUT YEAH, THERE'S ABOUT 350 ALTOGETHER. BUT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET A BOOK EVERY MONTH THAT LORRAINE'S AGENCIES IN OUR BUILDING. AND WE PARTNER WITH THEM CLOSELY ON THIS PROGRAM. AND WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP THE SCHOOLS AND RAISE TEST SCORES. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WE THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING ON TO NUMBER 13. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE UNLUCKY. 13. SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY SCHOOLS REPAIR FUNDS REQUEST. I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE OUR SUPERINTENDENT HERE, DOCTOR JULIANNA THOMPSON. WELCOME. AND I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE FLOOR WIDE OPEN TO YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE ADDITION OF THE AGENDA. THANK YOU, MISS LOWE, FOR WORKING WITH US. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, MR. ROBBIE CLEMENTS. AND ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ESPECIALLY THANK MR. CORNWELL AND MR. FAISON FOR BEING ABLE TO JOIN US IN PERSON YESTERDAY FOR OUR CONVOCATION. MEANT SO MUCH TO HAVE YOU GUYS THERE. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. YES. I'M GOING TO TURN THIS PART OVER TO MR. CLEMENTS, BECAUSE IT WILL BE MORE INTERESTING FOR YOU TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE RENOVATIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. FROM HIS OBSERVATION SINCE COMING ON, ON AUGUST THE 3RD. GOOD EVENING. BOARD. I'VE BEEN ON BOARD PROBABLY THREE WEEKS NOW. I DID A QUICK ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE HAD GOING ON IN OUR FACILITIES. I PROVIDED A LIST OF THE MAJOR ISSUES WE GOT GOING ON WITH OUR HEATING SYSTEMS, BOILER SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET UP AND RUNNING AT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER THAT AT THIS POINT. I JUST HAVE A LIST OF THE ITEMS THAT MIGHT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THIS LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND HANDLE PRETTY QUICK. YES, SIR. THIS IS CORRECT. AND I STILL GOT A LOT TO LOOK AT, BUT THESE ARE CRITICAL THAT WE NEED TO GET REPAIRED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I'M IN THE PROCESS OF RECEIVING QUOTES ON ALL THESE ITEMS RIGHT NOW, I'M OBTAINING THREE QUOTES OF EACH ITEM, AND WE'RE HOPING TO GET THEM QUOTES IN HAND AND AND GET STARTED PRETTY QUICKLY. WELL, I THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE SO QUICK THIS FAR. YES, SIR. THUS FAR. AND GOT A LONG WAY TO GO, SIR, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE. YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I THINK WE NEED TO. YEAH, GO AHEAD. AND I THINK APPROVE THE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE ASKING FOR IT IF THESE WEREN'T CRITICALLY IDENTIFIED ISSUES. YES, SIR. NEED IMMEDIATE REMEDY WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. AND AND I CAN EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE FOR THE BREAKDOWN HERE OF EXACTLY WHAT THE FUNDS ARE TO BE SPENT ON. SO I MOST CERTAINLY I'M. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO INFORM THE TAXPAYERS I REPRESENT. THEY CAN APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO SEE THAT AS WELL, SO THAT I'M BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THEIR HARD EARNED FUNDS. SO, I MEAN, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO MAKE THE DECISION TO APPROPRIATE THOSE FUNDS TO YOU FOR THESE PURPOSES. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW I OPERATE, HOW DOCTOR THOMPSON OPERATES. WE'RE OPEN TRANSPARENT. WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU WITH OUR WHAT WE GOT WRONG AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIX IT. YEAH WE APPRECIATE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE AS OPEN AND HONEST. I THANK THE OTHER BLUNTLY. MY THINKING IS THE ADMINISTRATION THE SCHOOL BOARD INHERITED A MESS. AND IT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO HELP YOU GET OUT OF THAT MESS. THANK YOU SIR, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS, AND I PROMISE YOU WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. AND WE'VE ALWAYS WE'RE GOING TO BE GOOD STEWARDS WITH THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. I CAN ASSURE THAT TO YOU. I FEEL EVERY PENNY. WE WILL BE USED VERY APPROPRIATELY. YES, SIR. WELL, I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE THE APPROPRIATION. I'LL SECOND IT. ALL THOSE. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. IT'S BEEN APPROVED. WE'LL GET YOU THAT 605,000. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I GOT A QUICK QUESTION. NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS? YES, SIR. HOW MANY STUDENTS GO TO CAPRON ELEMENTARY? I THINK IT'S ABOUT 176. OKAY. OKAY. JUST. I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE. THIS ISN'T NOTHING WE'VE GOT TO DO OR ANYTHING, BUT HATEFUL OR THE OUT OF THE THREE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

[1:55:05] I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SAVE $25 MILLION. THE OTHER THREE RIVERDALE IS OBVIOUSLY BIGGER RUNNING BETWEEN 550 AND 600 AND THE OTHER TWO. 222, 25. HOW MUCH CAN THEY HANDLE? I MEAN, LIKE, HOW MANY STUDENTS? I'M JUST THINKING I'M, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE WANT TO SPEND THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING OUT IN THE OPEN. YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO SPEND $25 MILLION ON A SCHOOL IN CAPRON, OR WOULD IT BE BETTER TO SEND HALF OF THEM TO MAHURIN AND HALF OF THEM TO NOTTOWAY OR SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. IS RIVERDALE FULL? I AM NOT GOING TO ATTEMPT TO ANSWER THAT WITHOUT SAYING THE ACTUAL CORE CAPACITY, NUMBERS AND BUILDING CAPACITY WHERE IT'S BUILT. AND I HAVE FULL DISCLOSURE, AND I LOOKED AT THOSE PLANS, BUT I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION AND COME BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH. JUST JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. YES, SIR. IF THOSE SCHOOLS AREN'T AT CAPACITY AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN KIDS GET OUT OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE BUSED TO ONE LOCATION. YES, SIR. SO IF WE DID AWAY WITH JUST ONE LOCATION AND DIVIDE THEM BETWEEN THREE THAT ARE FAIRLY NEW SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT TAKE A LOOK AT IT? YES, SIR. THE BIGGEST THING ON THAT IS CORE CAPACITY WHEN IT WAS BUILT. WE NEED TO SEE IF WE CAN HANDLE. YES, SIR. WE'LL BE GLAD TO LOOK INTO THAT. COME BACK NEXT TIME. I'M WORKING ON SOME INFORMATION ON MY SCHOOL. THINK ABOUT ENLARGING WHAT WE HAVE. THE OTHER THREE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN, JUST JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. BECAUSE WE NEED TO BUILD A MIDDLE SCHOOL, TOO. YES, SIR. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO. BEST WAY TO ATTACK THAT, SO I UNDERSTAND. WE'LL COME BACK WITH SOME NUMBERS NEXT TIME. AND THEN BY THE TIME WE HAVE NEXT MONTH'S MEETING, WE'LL HAVE THE DEFINITIVE NUMBERS FOR THIS YEAR'S ENROLLMENT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL PUT YOU ON THE AGENDA. SOUNDS GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. ANY MISCELLANEOUS COMMENTS? CORRESPONDENCE ANYBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS? IF NOT, THEN WE'RE DOWN TO CLOSED SESSION. IT'S OBVIOUS WE NEED A CLOSED SESSION TONIGHT. YES, SIR. IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 2.23711 AYE FIVE. DISCUSSION WITH STAFF FROM FRANKLIN SOUTHAMPTON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED CONCERNING A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY, OR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE OF THE BUSINESSES OR INDUSTRIES INTEREST IN LOCATING OR EXPANDING ITS FACILITIES IN SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. I NEED A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. CLOSED SESSION. READ THIS EVERYBODY. NEED A MOTION TO GO BACK INTO OPEN SESSION. SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. RESOLUTION. YES, SIR. WHEREAS THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONVENED A CLOSED MEETING ON THIS DATE PURSUANT TO AN AFFIRMATIVE RECORDED VOTE AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. AND WHEREAS, SECTION 2.2-3712D OF THE CODE OF VIRGINIA REQUIRES A CERTIFICATION BY THE BOARD, THAT SUCH CLOSED MEETING WAS CONDUCTED IN CONFORMITY WITH VIRGINIA LAW. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HEREBY CERTIFIES THAT, TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE, ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS BY VIRGINIA LAW WERE DISCUSSED IN THE CLOSED MEETING TO WHICH THIS CERTIFICATION RESOLUTION APPLIES, AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION CONVENING THE CLOSED MEETING WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED BY THE SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. I HAVE THE VOTES FOR IT ON THAT. SUPERVISOR. CORNWELL. YES. SUPERVISOR. WYCHE. YES. SUPERVISOR. FAISON. YES. SUPERVISOR. EDWARDS. YES. SUPERVISOR. GILLETTE. YES. RESOLUTIONS ACCEPTED. OKAY. I'LL TELL YOU, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS MEETING. I THINK WE WE DID SOME VERY POSITIVE THINGS FOR THE COUNTY TONIGHT. WE DID OUR JOB. I THINK YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT SCHOOL WAS VERY, VERY APPROPRIATE. I WASN'T OFF TOO MUCH. I SAID 168. YOU WERE RIGHT ON. RIGHT ON. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK IT KIND OF CAUGHT THEM OFF GUARD. AND I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO CATCH HER OFF GUARD. WELL, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SHE'LL. THEY DON'T MIND THAT.

[2:00:03] HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AND COME BACK TO US AND LET US KNOW WHAT MAKES SENSE. SHE'S COMING BACK NEXT MONTH. YOU SAID. RIGHT. OH, YES. YES. NO, I THINK THE CONCEPT OF MAYBE ENLARGING A COUPLE OF EXISTING ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, MAYBE MORE A LOT MORE FEASIBLE, BUT NOT A WAY. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE NOWHERE NEAR CAPACITY. THAT'S COOL. I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. THE ONLY THING I SEE AFFECTING THIS TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY OF THE LARGE COUNTY PORTION. AND YEAH, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THAT. KIDS THAT DISTANCE, JUST THINK HOW THEIR LITTLE KIDS GOT TO GET UP. A PIECE OF A SOLUTION COULD BE TO HAVE SMALLER BUSSES TO TRANSPORT A LESSER NUMBER OF CHILDREN SO THAT THEY GO MORE DIRECTLY FROM THEIR HOME STRAIGHT TO THE SCHOOL. BECAUSE YES, IF YOU'RE USING A BIG, YOU KNOW, 72 PEOPLE BUS. YEAH, YOU GOT TO GET UP REAL EARLY. BUT IF YOU NARROWED IT DOWN, YOU COULD MAKE IT WORK. I THINK IT WOULD WORK BEST. I'LL TELL YOU, I WAS WATCHING FOX LAST NIGHT. NATIONAL AVERAGE ON STUDENTS GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL. PROFICIENCY IN ENGLISH 35%. PROFICIENCY IN MATH 22%. HOW? I MEAN, THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. AND WE SPEND MORE PER STUDENT, YET WE HAVE THE LOUSIEST RESULTS. WELL, I WILL SAY THAT MYSELF AND CARL AND THE SHERIFF ATTENDED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM CONVOCATION YESTERDAY AS WE WERE INVITED TO ATTEND. AND IT WAS VERY NICE. WE WERE VERY WELL RECEIVED AND WELCOMED. I FELT LIKE WHEN WE GOT THERE AND IT WAS VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER AND THEY PRESENTED A VERY POSITIVE MESSAGE. I FELT LIKE FOR THE COMING SCHOOL YEAR TO THE TEACHERS, FACULTY, STAFF AND EVERYBODY THAT WAS THERE IT WAS, IT WAS VERY NICE. SO. CHAIRMAN. SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH, YEAH. SO, CHAIRMAN EDWARDS, DIDN'T YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED MR. PRINCE TO PRESENT? IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? YES. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE FOR HIM? YEAH. YES. OKAY. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. I GOT THIS THING FROM PENN STATE'S RESEARCH SITE. THEY WANT US TO TAKE PART IN THEIR DRUG PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE. FRATERNITY GOT BUSTED FOR SELLING COCAINE. OKAY, I GOT IT. I DIDN'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. THEY HADN'T GOTTEN OVER THE LAST SCANDAL. I KNOW. THAT'S RIGHT. SURE. ONE OF THE OTHER IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS IN PENNSYLVANIA. YEAH, THAT WAS TERRIBLE. SO THE HEAD OF. WHAT'S THAT? OKAY. ONE OF THE PARENTS INVOLVED? YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, THEY HAD IT WAS $150 MILLION JOB. $150 MILLION A YEAR. RIGHT. KENT STATE. IT HAD THE PLEDGING STATE. REALLY? YEAH. YEAH. HAD THE PLEASURE TO BE IN THE MULES. I GOT ONE. OKAY. THAT'S FUN. THE FRAT GUYS. THAT'S YOUR WHOLE GROUP. KEEP IT TOGETHER. KEEP IT. KEEP ALL OF IT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. OH, AND THEN I'M GONNA GIVE THIS ONE TO HIM. OKAY. YES. OKAY. IS THIS MINE? THAT'S YOURS. NO, NO, YOU HANG ON. YOU JUST HANG ON TO THAT FOR ONE MOMENT, OKAY? AND THAT'S GOING TO GO WITH IT. GOOD LORD. YOU'RE WELCOME. THIS IS LIKE TAKING A LITTLE SCARED. I AM WHEN IT HAD THE RED STUFF IN THE JAWS FROM MR. PRINCE. DON'T BE GIVING ME ROBERTS, MISS. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THERE YOU GO, SIR. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. WE'RE SUPERVISORS. AGAIN, REAGAN PRINCE, AND I'M COMING TO YOU AS A REQUEST TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GIVE YOU THE UPDATE ON PROGRESS ON THE CREATION OF THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE THAT WAS MANDATED BY THIS BOARD BACK IN JULY. SO I WANTED TO ALSO. SO WE HAVE THE BOARD. I MEAN, WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE IN READ THIS SMALLER PACKET HERE. AND AGAIN, THIS ORDINANCE IS BASED ON THE UTILITY SCALE SOLAR ORDINANCE. IN THIS FORMATION, WHICH YOU HAVE IN RED, IS WHAT'S BEEN EDITED TO REFLECT THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE.

[2:05:11] AND THAT IS. AND AGAIN, I LIKE THIS ORDINANCE, THE DATE, THE UTILITY SCALE ORDINANCE FORMAT, BECAUSE IT PUTS RESTRICTIONS ON WHERE THESE DATA CENTERS CAN ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED. OF COURSE THEY HAVE TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE M1 ZONE, M1 LIMITED INDUSTRIAL ZONE. SO THAT'S ONE RESTRICTION. ALSO THE ONE, THE SAME 1% OF LAND MASS AREA OF THE COUNTY IS ALSO A LIMITING AREA RESTRICTION WHERE YOU CAN PUT THESE DATA CENTERS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MAYBE ONE. DEVELOPER INTERESTED IN PUTTING A DATA CENTER RIGHT THERE AND ON ALONG SMITH'S FERRY ROAD. SO THAT'S ABOUT 800 ACRES, 809 ACRES, THE 1% MINIMUM. I'M SORRY. THE 1% LIMITING AMOUNT ON THE DATA CENTERS FOR THE COUNTY IS ABOUT 3800 ACRES. NOW, THAT COULD BE CHANGED IF YOU SO DESIRE THROUGH THE BOARD. I MEAN THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE CAN LOWER THAT AMOUNT IF IF IT'S SO DESIRED. THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PIECE I DID WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. AGAIN, THIS IS IN MY RESEARCH FOR CREATING THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE SURROUNDING THE LOCALITIES ARE USING WHAT'S CALLED A TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT. AND THIS DISTRICT IS ANOTHER DESIGN INSTRUMENT THAT'S USED TO KIND OF REFINE SOME OF THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR DATA CENTERS. IT SPEAKS TO LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING ROADS ANYTHING THAT MAYBE DIDN'T GET CAUGHT IN THE UNDERLYING M1 LIMITED INDUSTRIAL ZONING. SO IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT MORE REFINEMENT OF THE DESIGN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT CAPTURED IN THE BASE ELEMENT OF THE THE ZONING ORDINANCE. IF YOU JUST GO OVER A LITTLE BIT WHAT WE HAVE HERE I'M SORRY, THE, THE TECHNOLOGY OF TECHNOLOGICAL OVERLAY DISTRICTS, I FOUND THEM IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, GREENVILLE COUNTY, AND LOUISA AND THEY, THEY KIND OF ARE SORT OF COOKIE CUTTER IN THEIR ADOPTION. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO TAILOR IT FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY. SO IGNORE THE WHERE THEY HAVE SECTIONS, YOU KNOW THAT THAT REFLECTS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY ON THIS DOCUMENT HERE. ALL THAT WILL BE EDITED TO REFLECT OUR CURRENT ZONING. THE ALSO I HAVE HERE THE LONGER PIECES OF PAPER HERE. THIS IS FROM A, OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER, FRANK URQUHART, AND HE TOOK MY DRAFT ORDINANCE AND THE TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT DOCUMENT AND RAN IT THROUGH AN AI SOFTWARE. OKAY. AND THIS IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PIECE HERE, IT SAYS PLANNING COMMISSION BRIEFING BY TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICTS MATTER FOR DATA CENTER REGULATION. TODS PROVIDE A DEDICATED REGULATORY FRAMEWORK FOR HIGH IMPACT TECHNOLOGY USES. AND READING DOWN THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER LARGER ITEM TWO TOADS HAVE PROTECTION? IS NOT FOUND IN THE BASE ZONING. THAT'S KIND OF KEY BECAUSE IN MY RESEARCH, I FOUND THAT A LOT OF THE DATA CENTERS THEY'RE USING TECHNOLOGY, THEY'RE ALWAYS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO CHANGE UP THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S USED TO BRING THE UP TO IMPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO TRY TO DEVELOP THE BUILDING BEFORE GETTING APPROVAL FOR UTILITY SERVICE. AND CONSEQUENTLY, THEY WILL TRY TO RUN THE THE DATA CENTERS USING NATURAL GAS TURBINES THAT CAUSE A BUNCH OF NOISE. WELL, IN THE ORDINANCE I HAVE HERE, I THINK I HAVE IT HERE SOMEWHERE THAT NO DEVELOPMENT WILL BE APPROVED UNTIL POWER AUTHORIZATION HAS BEEN GRANTED. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CUT OUT A WHOLE LOT. ANY KIND OF A COMPLAINTS FROM HOMEOWNERS OR ANY KIND OF NEARBY PROPERTY OWNERS?

[2:10:10] SO THAT'S WHAT THE TOD KIND OF HELPS CLOSE, CLOSE THOSE LOOPHOLES THAT WE SEE AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONCERNED. WHAT YOU READ ON THE INTERNET IS THAT SOME OF THESE DATA CENTERS, WHAT THEY'LL DO IS, LIKE I SAID, THEY'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOCALITIES THAT DON'T HAVE ORDINANCES OR ZONING REGULATIONS, AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD THESE DATA CENTERS IN ADVANCE OF THE LOCALITY, GETTING THE, GETTING AHEAD OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ACTUAL APPLICABLE ORDINANCE. SO AN ITEM THREE ON THIS HERE, IT SAYS TOD IS ALLOW THE COUNTY TO CONTROL ENERGY GENERATION USES. SO THE TOD REMOVES ALL BY RIGHT ENERGY GENERATION, INCLUDING ESSER, MRS AND GAS PEAKER PLANTS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE. YOU CAN'T USE NATURAL GAS PLANTS THAT CAUSE A LOT OF NOISE. AND WITH THE TURBINES, YOU KNOW, IN BEFORE YOU GET ACTUAL POWER AUTHORIZED TO YOU BY DOMINION ENERGY. LET'S SEE. AND FRANK URQUHART ALSO PREPARED THIS NEXT PIECE HERE ABOUT HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN TOD DECISIONS. A CITIZEN'S GUIDE FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY RESIDENTS KIND OF INCLUDES THEM AS WELL ON THE KEEP THEM INFORMED ABOUT TOD PROPOSALS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT YOU READ IN THE NEWS IS THAT A LOT OF THE CITIZENS WERE LIKE NOT INFORMED OR, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE KIND OF UPSET ABOUT. SO OF COURSE, THROUGH GOING TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THEY WILL ALSO BE NOTIFIED OF THESE UPCOMING PUBLIC HEARINGS ABOUT DATA CENTERS, OR THE ONE THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY ATTEND PUBLIC MEETINGS, SPEAK DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS. SO I WANT TO, LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO PRESENT THE IDEA. ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I DID WANT TO DO TWO THINGS JUST INFORM YOU THAT PROGRESS IS GOING, PROGRESS IS MAKING. I'M MAKING REALLY GOOD PROGRESS WITH FORMING THIS DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. AND TWO, I WANT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU THE TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT CONCEPT THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD TRY TO ADOPT BECAUSE THINGS ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING IN THE DATA CENTER WORLD. THEY'RE TRYING TO TRY NEW, DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES TO TRY TO GET EVERYTHING DONE IN ADVANCE OF OUR ORDINANCE. THINGS LIKE NUCLEAR POWER. OKAY. YOU MAY HAVE READ ABOUT THAT IN IN THE NEWS. THEY'LL TRY TO USE THESE SMALL MINIATURE OR MINIATURE SELF-CONTAINED NUCLEAR ENERGY TYPE UNITS. THEY TRY TO SAY, OKAY, WELL, LOOK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT 5 OR 7 YEARS FOR THE DATA CENTERS TO GRANT US POWER. WE'RE GOING TO BRING OUR OWN POWER. AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO DO THAT. THAT MAY NOT BE REALLY ACCEPTABLE IN THE COUNTY. SO A TOD WOULD HELP TRY TO REIN THAT IN AND SAY, LOOK, THAT'S NOT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOU GET YOUR POWER GRANTED FROM DOMINION ENERGY. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY. AGAIN, LET YOU KNOW THAT PROGRESS IS BEING MADE. I HAVE OTHER MEETINGS LATER ON IN THE MONTH BEFORE OUR SEPTEMBER 10TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FINE TUNE WHAT WE HAVE HERE AS WELL. OUR ESTEEMED ATTORNEY WILL, WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER. YOU KNOW, WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB TRYING TO EDITING AND REVISING THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE ORDINANCE. SO, YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ON. I'VE GOT SOME SOME SUGGESTED REVISIONS TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE TO SHARE, WHICH I'LL SEND YOU TOMORROW. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. LOOK FORWARD TO IT. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS. ONE BIG QUESTION ABOUT DATA CENTERS. WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY? I KNOW THEY'RE DOING THIS IN TEXAS. SOME OTHER PLACES TO TELL THE POWER COMPANY, YOU CANNOT RAISE CITIZENS RATES TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY PUT IN THE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. WELL, THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION REGULATES THE POWER COMPANIES IN VIRGINIA LIKE DOMINION AND ALSO LIKE DOMINION AND APPALACHIAN POWER ARE THE TWO MAIN ONES HERE IN VIRGINIA. SO THE STATE CORPORATION COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE THEIR RATE INCREASE REQUESTS OR RIDERS TO PAY FOR SPECIFIC TYPES OF

[2:15:09] INFRASTRUCTURE. WHAT HAVE YOU. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS SOME INPUT ON THAT AS WELL THROUGH LEGISLATION. SO THAT'S I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY THEY'VE ALREADY PASSED THAT. I THINK THERE IS SOME LEGISLATION. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT SPOKE TO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ERASING THE RATEPAYERS. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE FEDERAL LEVEL ON THAT ALSO. TRUMP IS WORKING ON THAT. THAT'D BE A GOOD SELLING POINT TO EVERYBODY, RIGHT? YOUR RIGHTS ARE NOT GOING UP BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOING ON. IT'LL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY DID PASS LEGISLATION. IT DID PASS LEGISLATION THAT WAS INTENDED TO RESTRAIN SOME OF THOSE RATE INCREASES THAT WERE BEING IMPOSED UPON THE REGULAR RATEPAYERS, LIKE LIKE CITIZENS TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE LARGE POWER USERS. SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF THAT LEGISLATION. I BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION AS WELL. AS FAR AS A TOD GOES. I THINK A CONCEPT IT'S A IT'S A ONE WAY TO DO IT. I THINK IF LIKE IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY THEY WERE FAIRLY CERTAIN ON WHERE THEY WANTED TO DRIVE THE DATA CENTER DEVELOPMENT IF IT WERE TO OCCUR IN GOOCHLAND COUNTY, THERE WERE VERY SPECIFIC AREAS. SO USUALLY TODS WORK WHEN YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC AREA IN MIND AND INTENDED TO WHERE YOU WANT THAT TO GO IF IT DOES GO ANYWHERE. IF YOU'RE NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THAT, THEN YOU KNOW THE TOD MAY NOT BE THE BEST THING TO DO. I THINK YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH A LOT WITHOUT A TOD. I DON'T THINK A TOD IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, BUT IT'S ONE TOOL THAT YOU CAN USE. CERTAINLY, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT THIS ORDINANCE FIGURED OUT. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. THAT DOESN'T. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WORKED IT OFF TO SOLO, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LIMITATION ON HOW CLOSE IT CAN BE TO A CITY LIMITS, THOUGH. RIGHT. I HAVE TO PUT THAT IN. THE 558 RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THIS ONE IS ADJACENT TO THE CITY OF FRANKLIN CITY LIMITS. CORRECT. SO WE COULDN'T HAVE THAT RESTRICTION. ON THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT. WELL YOU COULD LIKE THEY HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU COULD MAKE THOSE THINGS. THAT'S WHY TODD IS SO I LIKE IT BETTER THAN ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S AN ORDINANCE. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME LOOPHOLES. BUT WITH THE. TODD IT'S KIND OF FLEXIBLE. WELL, AS LONG AS YOU ALSO DON'T RESTRICT ALL THE USES WITH A TOD, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU CAN PUT MANUFACTURING. AND IF SOMEBODY COMES ALONG, YES, YOU CAN. IT'S DESIGNED TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE TECHNOLOGY RELATED TECHNOLOGICAL RELATED DEVELOPMENT. SO IT CAN BE SOLAR, IT CAN BE BATTERY ENERGY, IT CAN BE DATA CENTER. IT CAN BE SOME OTHER TECHNOLOGY TYPE RELATED DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE MANUFACTURING OF CERTAIN TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY BASED PRODUCTS, YOU KNOW. SO IT OFFERS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT. AND WHEN THERE WAS ONE SENTENCE IN THERE, I FORGOT WHERE IT IS, BUT IT'S, IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN CONCERT WITH THE DATA CENTER. I MEAN, SORRY, WITH THE UNDERLYING ORDINANCE. SO WHEN YOU GO FOR REZONING, YOU CHANGE YOUR ZONING TO THE LIMITED M1 ZONING? OKAY. NOW YOU HAVE SOME DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. NOW, IF YOU PUT THE TOD ON TOP OF THAT THERE, THERE'S THE TOD MAY CAPTURE SOME THINGS THAT JUST AREN'T IN THE UNDERLYING ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF CLOSE UP SOME LOOPHOLES THERE. SO IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. AND IT'S A STATEMENT IN THE TOD WHERE IT SAYS WHEN ONE IS SILENT, IF SOMETHING ISN'T CAPTURED IN THE UNDERLYING ORDINANCE, THEN THE TOD WILL, WILL, WILL BE THE BE THE YEAH, WILL BE THE ORDER OF THE DAY. SO IF YOU HAVE AND LIKEWISE, FOR INSTANCE, I DON'T MEAN TO, I JUST DON'T WANT TO INDICATE. FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU HAVE LIKE YOU HAVE LIKE A ANYONE DISTRICT OR AN INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTY. IF YOU. AND THEN YOU DECIDE, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TECHNICAL, TECHNOLOGICAL OR TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND WE'RE GOING TO APPLY THAT IN M1 AREAS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO APPLY IT TO EVERY M1 AREA IN THE COUNTY. WE JUST WANT IT TO APPLY TO THESE AREAS OVER HERE IN THIS AREA.

[2:20:03] THEN YOU PASS A TECHNOLOGY OVERLAY DISTRICT ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THAT'S AN ORDINANCE TOO, WHICH COMPLEMENTS OVERLAYS THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA AND COMPLEMENTS YOUR M1 ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADD ADDITIONAL LIMITATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS ON THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT ZONE, WITHIN THAT OVERLAY DISTRICT. SO IT'S ANOTHER LAYER OF ORDINANCES TO WHICH THEY HAVE TO COMPLY. SO WE'D REALLY BE LOOKING TO APPROVE BOTH OF THESE POTENTIALLY. WE IT'S NOT ONE OR THE OTHER. IT'S BOTH. WELL WHAT YOU MIGHT MAYBE POTENTIALLY COULD BE. YEAH. MAYBE. YEAH. YES. SO IT WOULD CONFLICT. TOD WOULD COMPLEMENT OUR, IN THEORY, EXISTING SOLAR ORDINANCE. CORRECT. AS HE'S DESCRIBING. RIGHT. YEAH. YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND THEN YOU WOULD YOU COULD MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, M1 DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR DATA CENTERS BY Q P AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR TOD, YOU KNOW, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET BOTH THOSE STANDARDS. RIGHT. CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. YEAH. RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO LIKE I SAID, A FEW MORE REVISIONS. I'M PROBABLY SURE. AND I'LL HAVE THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE READY TO GO. OF COURSE I HAVE TO BRING MY NEXT VERSION BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT MONTH. ALSO, I WAS GOING TO ENTERTAIN PUTTING IN ANOTHER RESTRICTION THAT IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN TWO MILES AWAY FROM THE HIGH POWER VOLTAGE LINES. SO THEY'RE NOT YOU DON'T HAVE IF YOUR HIGH POWER VOLTAGE LINES ARE OVER HERE SAYING, I DON'T KNOW NEWSOM'S OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY GET A GROUP OF LANDOWNERS TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HEY, LOOK, WE WANT TO HAVE A DATA CENTER OVER HERE. WE'VE GOT 1000 ACRES OVER HERE. YOU DON'T HAVE DOMINION TRYING TO RUN ACROSS THE COUNTY TO GET TO THIS PIECE HERE. SO THAT'S WHY THIS SITE ON 258 IS SO RIGHT. ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT IT ALL RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO IT'S CLOSE TO THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES THERE. AGAIN, A LOT OF THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS AREA ARE, OR THE STANDARD LINES ARE 115 KV LINES. DATA CENTERS HAVE TO GET THE VOLTAGE UP TO 230 KV. SO YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO TRY TO RUN THAT ACROSS COUNTY OR SO FAR AWAY FROM THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES HERE. SO KEEP. KEEP THEM CLOSE TO THE HIGH VOLTAGE LINES FOR FUTURE DATA CENTERS THAT MAY TRY TO COME TO THE COUNTY. SO I TRY TO PUT IN A COUPLE OF LIMITING FACTORS SO THEY'RE NOT ALL OVER THE PLACE. ALSO THE THE START, THE COUNTDOWN STARTS AS SOON AS THE FIRST ONE GETS APPROVED. OKAY. NOW YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH MORE LAND TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO DEVELOP MORE DATA CENTERS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ONCE YOU LET ONE COME IN, I KNOW THERE'LL BE OTHERS THAT WILL APPLY. SO I WANT TO TRY TO MANAGE THAT AS WELL. RIGHT, RIGHT. EXACTLY. SO THAT 1% COULD GO TO A HALF. YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN PLAY WITH THE NUMBERS IN THAT FASHION THAT THAT AREA IS ALREADY INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YES, YES. AND THIS COULD BE USED TO, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME INDUSTRIAL AREAS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE YOU DON'T WANT THIS, RIGHT? DON'T SO YOU YOU PUT THIS OVER WHERE IT WAS NEEDED. YEAH. WELL, THIS THIS SITE IS ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S THE LEAST IMPACT ON RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S ONE REASON IT'S. SO THERE'S ONLY 2 OR 3. IT'S OUT OF THE WAY. IT'S OUT OF THE WAY. I MEAN, SO YEAH, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE RESIDENTIAL, THEY'RE ON THE BANDWAGON. THEY'RE READY TO SELL. YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. EXACTLY. YEAH. I MEAN, THEY'LL SELL TO THE INDUSTRIAL. PEOPLE. EXACTLY. AND THE TOD WILL BE ONLY APPLIED TO THOSE TYPE OF INDUSTRIES. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY ALMOST HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT OR, YOU KNOW, NOT APPLY FOR IT, BUT THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE GRANTED. OKAY. LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOD ON THIS ONCE WE START SEEING INTEREST IN A CERTAIN AREA. YEAH. SO IT'LL BE MANAGED. IT'LL HAVE TO BE MANAGED WELL. KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE DATA CENTER, WHICH I. I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THAT AREA. IF IT YOU KNOW, AND AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 3 TO 4 YEARS AT LEAST. OH, YEAH. IT'S GOING TO BE YEARS. YES, BUT WHEN IT DOES, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW. WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN. THIS COUNTY IS GOING IT'S GOING TO BE A GAME CHANGER FOR TAX REVENUE. AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO AWAY WITH LIKE I'D SAY FARM IMPLEMENT TAX THAT ONLY GENERATES A COUPLE HUNDRED A YEAR TRASH FEE. CUT PROPERTY TAX PERSONAL PROPERTY IN HALF. YOU CUT IT IN HALF, YOU COULD CALL.

[2:25:05] IT'S GOING TO BRING IN $10 MILLION A YEAR TAX REVENUE. YEAH. IN SOME AREAS THEY HAVE. SO IT'S WE NEED TO MAKE THIS ATTRACTIVE TO THAT TO THEM PEOPLE. THE TAX BASE THE REAL ESTATE TAX BASE HAS DROPPED 30 TO 40% IN SOME AREAS WHERE THIS IS DONE. RIGHT. YEAH. YOU CAN. SO WE BROUGHT IN $10 MILLION OF REVENUE. PLUS WE GOT TO BUILD A SCHOOL TOO. I MEAN, WE, WE NEED, WE NEED IT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. YOU'LL BE ALL RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH MECKLENBURG COUNTY. THEY PAID FOR A SCHOOL. CAN YOU RIDE THROUGH THE COUNTY AND LOOK AT THE HIGH SCHOOL? LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING YOU SEE UP IN PENNSYLVANIA SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING. IT'S CRAZY. THEY BUILT TWO NEW SCHOOLS. YEAH, EXACTLY. WELL, LIKE I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THAT THAT IDEA TO YOU ABOUT THE TWO D'S, AS WELL AS JUST LET YOU KNOW THE STATUS OF WHERE I AM WITH THE DATA CENTER ORDINANCE. OKAY. AND IF IT'S OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WORKING ON TODD TO MAKE IT COMPLEMENTARY TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE TO THE DATA CENTER. YES, SIR. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THE DATA CENTER DOESN'T WORK OUT, THAT LAND WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ANY MANUFACTURING. YES IT IS. IT WILL BE. AND IT WOULD BE. YES. NOT JUST TECHNICAL. YES. OKAY. IF WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THAT, WE COULD WRITE. OH, YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THIS CHANGE. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. TAKE 60 DAYS, GET RID OF TOD. I MEAN, CHANGE ORDINANCE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING. Y'ALL JUMPED ON. IT LOOKS GOOD, MAN. THANK YOU. GOT EVERYTHING IN IT THAT THEY NEED. IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, WITH THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, 80FT. YOU KNOW, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE TALL. YEAH. SO YOU GOT IT AT 80FT. SO THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. AND WITH THE TOD ALSO, YOU CAN ALSO CHANGE THE SOME OF THE, THE FACADE, YOU KNOW. AND YOU CAN MAKE IT SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK SO NEW, NEW WAVE TYPE OF DESIGN. YOU CAN MAKE ONE THING THE DEVELOPER TOLD ME THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CAMPUS. YES, A CAMPUS STYLE DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO BE LANDSCAPED AND YES, GREEN SPACES, WALKWAYS, YOU KNOW. YEAH, EXACTLY. BUT IT CAN HAVE SOME KIND OF A THEME. YEAH. AGRICULTURAL THEME. OH YEAH. THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE COLORS AND SO ON, ROOF LINE, THINGS LIKE THAT COULD CHANGE WITH, LIKE I SAID, THROUGH THE TOD, YOU CAN HAVE THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. THANK YOU SHERIFF. THANK YOU, DEPUTY FULLER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL.