Agenda
[2:51]
Call to Order & Roll Call
[5:10]
Approval of Minutes
[6:05]
Report - Executive Committee
[16:34]
Report - Treasurer
[20:30]
Report - Watershed Coordinator
[25:00]
Report - Atlas Committee
[25:52]
Report - Conservation & Stewardship Committee
[30:15]
Report - Governments Committee
[32:00]
Report - Authorities Committee
[38:56]
Budget Discussion
[44:05]
Rockview Lands Update
[1:10:00]
Centre County Countywide Action Plan Subaward Grant Subaward Program
[1:11:16]
ACRES MyWork Outcomes
[1:22:10]
2026-2027 PMSC AmeriCorps Member Announcement
[1:22:55]
Call for Projects
[1:24:09]
Relevant Watershed-Related News from Member Municipalities
[1:29:43]
Educational Topic - Discuss History & Future of SCWC
[2:03:00]
Matters of Record
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- I'd like to call the September 16th, 2026
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meeting of the Spring Creek Watershed Commission
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to order at six 30.
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Maybe we could do a Roll Call
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and I'll go down the, the list from Beon.
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We have, John is here, right? Yep.
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- Here. - John Eaton Benner. David Robert Alternate.
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Benner Township College.
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- Gretchen Brant College. - And I see Lee's here as well.
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Ferguson, I'm here.
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And I don't know if we have folks in
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the remote.
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- Yes, we have Olivia Lapovsky from the RO is on online.
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- Okay. - Someone iPhone. That may be Doug Mason.
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Not sure. Okay. And then Jen, Don Brosky from Clearwater.
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Just joined. Okay.
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- And then Harris. Chris Morell. Chris Morell's here.
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Patton. I believe that both Susan
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and Doug will not be able to attend tonight.
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Spring Township. David or Mike?
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No. And State College. Olivia you said was online?
[4:16]
- Yes. - Okay. And then anyone from
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Potter or Walker?
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- Okay. - I think that gives us a quorum, right?
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There's little old me. Oh, I'm sorry.
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- Loren now - Was half, boy, how did I miss that?
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Halfmoon Township, Copa Mepa Loren is here.
[4:42]
Yes. I
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- Dunno. He said he was gonna join
[4:45]
- By phone, as is our practice.
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Item three on the agenda is any Public Comment
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or written correspondence that would like to, anyone
[4:58]
that would like to address the commission?
[5:04]
We got one. No. Okay.
[5:08]
Moving on then.
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Review and approval of the
[5:13]
previous meeting minutes from July 15th.
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- I'll make that motion. Eaton,
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- I'll second.
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There's a motion and a second.
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Any comments
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or questions about the minutes from July 15?
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All right, in that case, I call the motion.
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All those in favor of adopting the July 15 minutes?
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Say aye. Aye. Aye. Those that are opposed, say aye. Okay.
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Minutes are done. New agenda items.
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Anyone that would like to propose an addition
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to the agenda, either here in the room
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or online?
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Okay. Hearing none, we will go to number six.
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Report by officers and committees.
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And the first one
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on the agenda, six A, the executive committee.
[6:19]
We met what the fourth, we tried
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for the third Wednesday of August
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in the even numbered month,
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but it ended up, I believe, being the fourth.
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So that would've been August 26th.
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We met, and I believe Chris
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and Elise and David
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and I, the
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much of the meeting on the executive committee meeting was a
[6:55]
follow up to our Public Hearing at SLO
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in July that was focused on the future
[7:03]
of Rockview lands.
[7:05]
And so we talked about the comments
[7:10]
that had been made
[7:13]
and reviewed the follow up memorandum that
[7:20]
we had put together to kind of summarize the Public Hearing,
[7:24]
we included, it included receiving
[7:27]
written comments from Cliff cans who couldn't
[7:32]
make the Public Hearing,
[7:34]
but many of you may know, cliff, he was a regional
[7:38]
and State College Borough planner for a number of years,
[7:41]
and he submitted comments.
[7:46]
Anything else from the executive committee, Chris
[7:49]
or David that I didn't cover,
[7:54]
or that won't be covered later?
[7:57]
- No, I think just kind of really trying to focus on
[7:58]
what we're gonna talk about in the second half
[8:00]
of the meeting, which is kind of what our,
[8:02]
what our focus is moving forward.
[8:04]
- Okay. Yeah.
[8:08]
- Yes, it, it really did continue
[8:09]
to focus on the important issue of rock view
[8:12]
and the possible turnover
[8:17]
of, of state lands to, to whoever,
[8:19]
which is sort of unknown at this point.
[8:21]
So it's an effort to kind of get ahead of that a little bit.
[8:27]
- And would it,
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would this be an appropriate time in your mind, David, to
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maybe cover item nine on the agenda as it relates
[8:38]
to rockview?
[8:40]
That's where we do a round table about watershed related
[8:44]
news from member municipalities. David had a
[8:47]
- Certainly yes.
[8:48]
Thank you report. So I am the Benner Township
[8:53]
representative, and I went to the Benner Supervisors meeting
[8:57]
last week on Tuesday,
[9:00]
and there was an agenda item on their meeting of,
[9:04]
to discuss a possible
[9:08]
conservation overlay to be placed on the rock view lands.
[9:13]
And this was a letter that was sent to them from the
[9:17]
Ben Township Planning Commission that recommended that.
[9:21]
And a little bit of the background to
[9:25]
that recommendation was to, to, to my understanding,
[9:29]
representative Benninghoff had had expressed
[9:34]
interest to, to have some kind of a protection of the,
[9:38]
of the rock view lands.
[9:40]
And this really follows
[9:44]
a past effort that was made a successful effort when Rock
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View lands were divested what following the, the,
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the construction of the Interstate 95
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and where the site that's now, spring Creek Canyon
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and the Spring Creek Trail
[10:00]
and so forth became, turned over
[10:04]
to I think Fish and Boat Commission. There were
[10:07]
- Four local partners, fish
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and Boat Commission, game Commission, Penn State
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and Banner Township.
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- So these four entities received different portions of
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that land that was, that had been previous prison land.
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It was kind of separated from them within the
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95 construction.
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So that gave the opportunity to open up that canyon
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that had been restricted from public asset access
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for about a hundred years.
[10:39]
Yeah. So that was a very positive development.
[10:42]
And you know, there was a, an overlay that was put into
[10:45]
that area, kind of a conservation overlay.
[10:48]
And so this overlay then would help to connect
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that, that a proposed rock view overlay would help
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to connect the Spring Creek Canyon with the Rock View lands
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and then the Nittany Valley Conservation area.
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So there was discussion about that there.
[11:08]
Counsel Mr. Beard
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described the proposal from the,
[11:17]
from the planning Commission as to go over the entire site.
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And then that would be require,
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of course, public hearings, Public Comment.
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And that would open up a,
[11:30]
a broad discussion about the Rockview property.
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So the Council for Inner Township, you know,
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explain to them that they could put a whole overlay on there
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and then come back later and modify it if need be.
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And, and, but the, the,
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the Supervisors were pretty receptive to that.
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I think that they were very open to input on that.
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They, they talked about the need for advisement, the need
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to have some technical advisement about what's there on the
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site and what areas would need to be protected.
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So that is a very forward moving idea.
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They're going to be discussing
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that further in the coming months.
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So that's pretty much where that is at right now.
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I know that there are some people in the public area
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that are also interested in having some sort
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of a conservation like that.
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So, so the commission is very open to hear from public on
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and municipalities and all partnership
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and all partners on this issue.
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- Thank you. It's not been
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that common in my memory that
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conservation, or excuse me,
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overlay zones are implemented.
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When I was on the Ferguson Township Planning Commission, oh,
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maybe 20 years ago,
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we did an overlay zone on down
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to specific parcel levels on the Tussie Ridge
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because we wanted,
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after studying development proposals, we wanted to kind
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of put it out there and make it part of the Ordinance that
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the lands associated
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on the side of the ridge were not
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always particularly stable.
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A lot of spring sinkholes, a lot
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of closed depressions, a lot of waterways.
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And so the Township put an overlay zone that
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alerted property owners that if they intended to
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bid, that there were certain suggested requirements
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that they come in and meet with the Township
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and be alerted to what
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was at play there.
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And Harris subsequently did a similar thing
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a while later, but that's very interesting to hear
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and something that I think we
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wanna talk about further.
[14:22]
- Yeah, I would just would like to add that Randy Moya,
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the chair, had stated a couple times that regardless
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of whether an overlay is implemented
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or not, that in the long run there,
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he expects probably about 5,000 acres or, or more
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or thereabouts would, would need
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to be conserved no matter what.
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- So thank you - Again.
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I do, I would like to mention also, you know,
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it's not only Benner Township, that, that, that
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College Township has quite a few acres on that site as well.
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So anything that would take place would,
[15:01]
would certainly weren't discussion among those two partners.
[15:06]
- Right. As it splits out in the mapping that we've seen,
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it's about two thirds
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of the land lies in Better Township
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and about a third in college.
[15:19]
So yes.
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- Diane, - This sounds very good to me.
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The Better Township is in the
[15:25]
- Meeting.
[15:26]
Would you like to come up and so everyone can hear you?
[15:33]
- I'm Joanne. - Yep. Yeah, we can.
[15:37]
- I'm Joanne Tosi Bey.
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I chair the NIT Valley Joint Planning Commission.
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This sounds very good to me.
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The commission is meeting tomorrow evening at six
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- Six or six 30
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- At six o'clock.
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We have not had anybody from Benner attend the
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meetings this entire year.
[16:02]
Robert, could you come
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and repeat what you just said this evening at
[16:06]
that tomorrow night so that,
[16:08]
because we, when we have these meetings, they come up
[16:12]
and people ask what's going to happen to Rockfield?
[16:14]
At least having some information,
[16:16]
I think will make people feel good. Yeah.
[16:18]
- What, what time is the meeting?
[16:19]
- Six o'clock and it's in the Banner Township six
[16:22]
o'clock building. Oh,
[16:23]
- Right in Banner.
[16:24]
Yeah. Yes. I'll go. I'm gonna make
[16:27]
- Make Great. Thank you.
[16:28]
- Thank you, Joanne. Any other comments on that?
[16:33]
Okay, then moving to six B on the agenda,
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the financial report
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or treasurer's report since July,
[16:45]
and As it,
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I think people have come to understand that
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Clearwater Conservancy acts as the fiscal agent
[16:57]
for the Watershed Commission
[17:00]
and they maintain on our behalf
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two different custodial accounts.
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The primary one being a general administrative account that
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as of August 30, the balance
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was $35,090 and 61 cents.
[17:19]
The second account is a phase three account that was
[17:25]
re-designated back.
[17:28]
It's now been three years ago, using money
[17:33]
that was generated to conclude the step two
[17:38]
or phase two plan of the watershed stewardship plan.
[17:42]
And it was decided then that by the Watershed Commission,
[17:46]
that those monies should be renamed
[17:50]
the phase three account.
[17:53]
And we have
[17:56]
$2,150
[17:59]
and 63 cents in that account with regard to approval
[18:04]
to pay since our meeting
[18:09]
two months ago, invoices from Elise
[18:14]
as watershed coordinator for the months of July
[18:16]
and August at 27 50.
[18:19]
And then the legal notice
[18:22]
for the July 15th meeting in public notice in the
[18:27]
CDT for 180.
[18:29]
I will put the
[18:35]
notice for this meeting at our November meeting.
[18:41]
And just a footnote, so that everybody is current as far
[18:45]
as the 26 budget goes, the commission
[18:51]
has over the last few years had
[18:56]
10 or 11, sometimes 10 and a half members.
[19:00]
But I wanted to make clear,
[19:04]
as I've done throughout the year, that we have two
[19:09]
members to date
[19:11]
that their contribution in 2026 is pending.
[19:16]
That's Walker and Potter Townships.
[19:20]
They had indicated in 25 that
[19:24]
they were gonna not withdraw
[19:28]
but Coast for a while.
[19:31]
And leading up to this evening's meeting, we were approached
[19:35]
by a gentleman from Walker Township
[19:40]
and interacted with him, provided him with the agenda.
[19:44]
He's interested in talking
[19:46]
to Walker Township about potentially being named a
[19:51]
representative from Walker.
[19:53]
And I had hope that maybe he would make it tonight,
[19:56]
but he's not on the remote.
[20:02]
- Okay. No, Bob Igo is though.
[20:04]
- Bob Igo is welcome, Bob. But that's my report.
[20:09]
We're working on things with Walker
[20:12]
and we'll get back to it.
[20:14]
Another conversation with Potter as well. Any questions?
[20:22]
- Okay.
[20:29]
- Item six C.
[20:33]
Elise Watershed Coordinator.
[20:35]
- Yes. - So some
[20:38]
of my updates are further down in the agenda,
[20:40]
but things that are not in there, ag Progress days
[20:44]
happened in August, so I attended that.
[20:48]
I do what I like to call reverse tabling.
[20:50]
Those tables are pretty expensive, so I take brochures
[20:53]
around and talk to all the partners that are there
[20:55]
and do some networking the other way around.
[20:58]
So that was good to do. Had a great conversation with
[21:02]
deps Small Business grant program
[21:04]
for sustainability for the second year.
[21:07]
So working further
[21:09]
to establish our partnerships in that world.
[21:12]
I also attended the Congressional Ag Summit hosted
[21:15]
by Glen Thompson to just learn about some of the issues
[21:18]
and resources that are available there
[21:20]
and represented the watershed commission at the government
[21:22]
and industry luncheon.
[21:25]
Other projects that I've done a couple weeks ago,
[21:28]
Clearwater Conservancy organized a day to go out
[21:32]
to Tally Rand Park
[21:33]
and help do some invasive management
[21:35]
of the buffer that's there.
[21:37]
So I attended, so did Lee Lee Ricks from the Conservation
[21:41]
District and Clearwater Conservancy.
[21:44]
So we helped get a handle on some
[21:46]
of the loose strife that was there.
[21:47]
And also Lee
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and I did kind of a joint interview with Clearwater's
[21:53]
communications person, Lee about,
[21:57]
or Leah, about how all of these partnerships come together
[22:01]
and how all of the people that were helping the project on
[22:04]
that day helped contribute to successful implementation.
[22:08]
And then share some of the resources for other people
[22:10]
that would want to help get a handle on their buffers
[22:14]
or establish new ones.
[22:17]
We've also been continuing
[22:19]
with the two deck regenerative stormwater project.
[22:21]
So our grant agreement
[22:23]
with the Susquehanna River Basin Commission is finalized.
[22:26]
Kevin, Abby and I have been working on that.
[22:28]
It has been approved. I met with
[22:33]
Iona Borich from the Sustainable Communities Collaborative
[22:35]
to talk more about how we can work with her program.
[22:39]
They filled up their classes for this fall semester,
[22:42]
but if we identified a concrete project scope that we wanted
[22:46]
to work with them on, we could potentially get in
[22:49]
for the spring semester.
[22:50]
But the watershed commissions engaged them in the past
[22:54]
and they're very eager to work
[22:55]
with us again any semester in the future.
[22:58]
So continuing that relationship
[23:01]
and also having some assistance from a guest
[23:03]
that you'll meet on navigating that relationship.
[23:08]
The last update I have is
[23:09]
that the Watershed Cleanup Day planning committee has been
[23:12]
meeting, I co-chair that committee
[23:15]
with Bella Petita from Clearwater Conservancy.
[23:18]
And traditionally they would start kind
[23:20]
of meeting a couple months prior to the event,
[23:22]
but we've changed it so
[23:23]
that it can be productive year round.
[23:25]
And we have bimonthly meetings to focus on
[23:29]
identifying new sites, getting a handle on our outreach
[23:31]
with the Public Works departments.
[23:34]
I am meeting with Ty Coral
[23:37]
and Mimi from the Centre County Refuse
[23:39]
and Recycling this Friday.
[23:43]
The county actually has a program called Keep Centre County
[23:45]
Beautiful in the big spring cleanup.
[23:49]
All of that reporting goes
[23:50]
to keep Pennsylvania beautiful on the PennDOT level,
[23:53]
but our county actually has a smaller program
[23:56]
that they've been trying to expand on.
[23:58]
So all of our cleanup efforts are gonna be
[24:00]
counted towards that.
[24:01]
And it also covers all of our trash disposal for anything
[24:05]
that we do throughout the year,
[24:07]
not just on the spring cleanup.
[24:09]
So that committee meeting is coming up again in this
[24:12]
September, but if anybody wants to get involved
[24:14]
with Watershed cleanup day
[24:16]
or has sites that you think need
[24:18]
to be cleaned up, please let us know.
[24:19]
We're really trying to overhaul our site list.
[24:22]
We've broken a hundred sites
[24:24]
and we've had over 800,
[24:26]
almost 850 volunteers this past year.
[24:29]
So it's a huge program and initiative.
[24:31]
So any feedback from the commission
[24:33]
or the town shifts is greatly appreciated.
[24:36]
- Question, is there discussions with
[24:41]
to you about doing the fall cleanup?
[24:46]
- Yes, I'll briefly mention
[24:47]
that under conservation and stewardship. Okay,
[24:50]
- Great.
[24:51]
Any questions for Elise?
[24:54]
I'm sure other things will come up
[24:55]
as we move through the meeting.
[25:00]
Okay. Six D Atlas.
[25:03]
- Our Atlas meeting will be the first one
[25:08]
about three months will be
[25:11]
this Thursday at Patton Township Building meeting room
[25:16]
one to 3:00 PM a big part,
[25:22]
you know, following on the, the second part
[25:26]
of today's meeting, we're also going
[25:29]
to have a discussion about how we're
[25:33]
structuring atlas's efforts.
[25:35]
- Okay. - From here on make sure that
[25:38]
we aren't overlapping.
[25:41]
- Okay. - Okay,
[25:43]
- Great.
[25:44]
So tomorrow at one
[25:45]
- One to three.
[25:46]
Okay. Patton Township meeting room.
[25:48]
- Right. Okay.
[25:53]
Six E, the Conservation and Stewardship Committee.
[25:57]
- Yes. So our Conservation
[25:58]
and Stewardship committee just met a couple weeks ago.
[26:04]
One of the best things about
[26:05]
that committee is the round robins that they do
[26:08]
to share information.
[26:09]
So we have the Centre County Conservation District,
[26:12]
Penn State Extension, occasionally members
[26:16]
of the Senior Environmental Corps all coming together
[26:19]
to share what the conservation partners who are doing,
[26:22]
doing work, what they need, what they're working on.
[26:26]
So those conversations continue
[26:28]
and it's really great to see the resource sharing
[26:30]
and assistance that comes out of those.
[26:34]
We did have a new member join our
[26:36]
conservation and stewardship committee.
[26:40]
It is Stacy Hall. Hall. Stacy Hall,
[26:44]
- Right from Benner Township Planning Commission.
[26:47]
- Yeah. So she joined
[26:48]
and she is representing the State College Land Trust
[26:53]
and is also a member on the Benner
[26:54]
Township Planning Commission.
[26:55]
So this past meeting was just a little bit
[26:57]
of an introduction, but we're hoping to work closer
[27:00]
with her in the future.
[27:02]
- That's great. - And then the Educational Sign
[27:05]
Project continues.
[27:08]
So we are still working on developing educational signs
[27:12]
for throughout the watershed to communicate the importance
[27:15]
and relevance of different stewardship projects on the
[27:18]
preservation of our water resources.
[27:21]
We did a couple for Tally Ram that are finalized
[27:24]
and we're just waiting for the whole bunch to get finished
[27:27]
so that we can send that off to the sign company.
[27:31]
Then Kevin kind of foreshadowed
[27:34]
Trout Unlimited every fall they do a red count,
[27:37]
which is basically counting the trout spawning areas
[27:40]
throughout the stretches of Spring Creek
[27:43]
for the past two years.
[27:45]
We've partnered with that event to add a cleanup level to it
[27:48]
so that all
[27:50]
of the volunteers in the stream can help collect trash.
[27:53]
And we also send some designated groups of volunteers
[27:57]
to drive around to like fishing access sites.
[28:00]
And some of the places along the stream that we don't hit
[28:03]
either don't hit on watershed cleanup day
[28:05]
or need more than once a year cleanups
[28:07]
like East College Avenue.
[28:10]
So last year we even had some TU volunteers
[28:12]
that walked the entire stretch from Millbrook Marsh up
[28:16]
to Walnut Spring, which was really cool.
[28:19]
They got a lot of good stuff out of there.
[28:21]
We get a couple hundred pounds with that event.
[28:25]
So we're gonna have a subcommittee meeting in the next
[28:28]
couple weeks to finalize our planning for that effort.
[28:32]
Clearwater Conservancy,
[28:33]
middle Susquehanna River Keepers Association
[28:35]
and the Conservation District help us market
[28:37]
that event last year.
[28:40]
The number of cleanup volunteers
[28:43]
actually outnumbered the number of red count volunteers.
[28:45]
And so that's one of the things
[28:47]
that's really important about this is that a lot
[28:49]
of people wanna do cleanups
[28:51]
and we make them sit through the lesson on reds
[28:54]
and why it's important and why they should do that.
[28:57]
Even last year they're like, can't we just get cleaning?
[29:00]
And it's like, Nope, you gotta go listen to Bob Carline.
[29:03]
So, yep. Yep. We're kind of,
[29:05]
it's a little bit educational twist on that one
[29:07]
and it's a good partnership.
[29:08]
So that'll be happening again.
[29:10]
I don't have a final date
[29:11]
for the red count this year, but Okay.
[29:13]
Typically it is the Sunday before Thanksgiving.
[29:17]
- Okay. And I know that
[29:20]
in the springtime following the Earth Day
[29:25]
or circa Earth Day watershed cleanup, a lot of people
[29:31]
on the commission had been approached by folks
[29:34]
that either didn't get a chance
[29:35]
or had family related conflicts.
[29:40]
So what we decided then is that any
[29:44]
of those folks to will direct them to Elise and Lee
[29:49]
and get present that opportunity for them
[29:54]
to be involved with a fall cleanup.
[29:57]
So if anybody asks you about watershed cleanup,
[30:02]
it's ongoing and there's another opportunity coming.
[30:05]
- Yep. They've gotten over 6 million pounds
[30:08]
of trash in the watershed over the years.
[30:10]
- Alright. So, okay.
[30:16]
Number six F the government's committee update.
[30:22]
- So I met with Shane Adams,
[30:26]
who's the new chair for that committee.
[30:28]
Shane is the, he has a new title now,
[30:31]
but he, he's the GIS Director
[30:32]
with College Township, GIS Wizard.
[30:35]
I like to call him. So he's been on
[30:38]
that committee for a long time.
[30:41]
He's a really great guy.
[30:42]
We're very happy that he was able to take over
[30:45]
for Kemp Baker, but I was able to sit down with Shane
[30:48]
and Bella Petita from Clearwater Conservancy to talk about
[30:51]
what do we really need this committee to be
[30:54]
and what is his vision for it.
[30:56]
And we're really gonna be using this as a platform
[31:00]
to help support the partnership of
[31:04]
under the MS four permits.
[31:05]
Both Clearwater and the commission are an item
[31:07]
to help facilitate some of the outreach.
[31:09]
So we're gonna make that a good channel
[31:12]
for the Township engineers to be able to collaborate
[31:16]
with the conservation partners so
[31:18]
that our efforts are just a little bit more aligned
[31:20]
with what they want and need.
[31:22]
And then also just creating more of a tone
[31:24]
for sharing information
[31:25]
and helping to identify projects that they need help with.
[31:30]
So that'll be good. They are gonna talk about possibly
[31:35]
renaming it, the engineering committee, just to kind
[31:37]
of reduce some confusion on that end.
[31:41]
But yeah, they canceled the last meeting,
[31:43]
but they will be meeting again
[31:46]
for the first time under Shane's leadership on October 15th.
[31:51]
- October what? 15th. 15th. Okay.
[31:57]
That's great. And then finally,
[32:02]
six G, the authorities committee.
[32:05]
- So similarly, I sat down with the chairs
[32:09]
of the authorities committee.
[32:11]
Those chairs are Ray Delina from Centre County Planning
[32:14]
Office, and Pam Adams from the Centre
[32:17]
Region Planning Agency.
[32:19]
They co-chair that committee.
[32:21]
Pam is pretty new to the committee this year
[32:24]
and leading there.
[32:25]
Right. Has been doing it for a few years now.
[32:29]
And we sat down to just talk about
[32:30]
how could we make this more beneficial
[32:33]
for the water authorities that are in attendance.
[32:35]
We don't wanna just talk to them and share information.
[32:38]
We wanna make it, again, a more collaborative space
[32:40]
for information sharing.
[32:43]
So we decided that we're not gonna meet in September,
[32:48]
but we're gonna meet in November on
[32:52]
November 18th, kind of splitting the difference between the
[32:56]
September and December meetings.
[32:58]
December meetings are not historically well attended.
[33:01]
So we wanted to, I'll be having another meeting with Pam
[33:05]
and Ray to just strategize and think about what we wanna do.
[33:08]
But we're hoping to have a discussion
[33:10]
with the water authorities in presence to just see Okay.
[33:13]
What they really want to get out of the committee
[33:15]
and how we can help them better.
[33:17]
- Good. I know that when we left the last
[33:21]
committee authorities committee meeting,
[33:24]
there was discussion about having
[33:30]
Pam and potentially Jenna Argo come in
[33:32]
and talk about the regional comprehensive plan.
[33:37]
And I'm sure that's in the works
[33:40]
as something that could be covered.
[33:43]
- So we did discuss that.
[33:45]
Pam pointed out that she's going to these water authorities
[33:48]
to give that presentation.
[33:49]
Okay. And she didn't want redundancy.
[33:51]
So we were brainstorming with Ray
[33:54]
how we could have a more specific conversation about like
[33:57]
the septic systems
[33:59]
or different components of the growth boundary
[34:01]
that could be more of an area for discussion so
[34:04]
that they're not getting a original presentation.
[34:06]
- Okay. Great. - Please.
[34:12]
- Well, in now since you have an engineering committee,
[34:18]
I am, I'm, I'm, I'm,
[34:23]
the discussion that you're gonna have
[34:24]
with the authorities committee really will be dependent on
[34:28]
the quality and the how current
[34:32]
that engineering, you know, I, you know,
[34:36]
it'd be wonderful if everybody had
[34:40]
the A GIS wizard and every municipality.
[34:45]
Yep. It's almost like now, you know, is this,
[34:50]
is this something that we can make more of a watershed
[34:55]
wide effort?
[35:02]
I mean it's, we don't have any funding vehicle for it,
[35:06]
but it's almost the, without the GIS mapping
[35:10]
and those, and the growth boundaries
[35:12]
and locating those facilities
[35:15]
and the assets, you're,
[35:20]
we're sort of having a roundabout discussion about where's
[35:23]
my territory, where's your territory?
[35:26]
Right. So, I mean, if, if we can meld,
[35:31]
I'm not saying put the two committees together,
[35:33]
but make those two committees work.
[35:36]
Yeah. So that they,
[35:39]
they can leverage the information from each other.
[35:42]
Yeah.
[35:43]
- I recall that discussion with the governments committee
[35:48]
and Shane had been Shane Adams.
[35:52]
Now the chair had been real involved with outreach
[35:57]
amongst the MS four
[36:01]
partners, I believe.
[36:03]
Didn't he tell us, Elise, correct me if I'm wrong, that all
[36:06]
of the MS four four partners are using it.
[36:10]
- Yes. - And that includes Spring Township now.
[36:15]
So it is an appropriate thing to keep talking about.
[36:21]
- When you say they're using it,
[36:23]
- The, I'm sorry.
[36:25]
The GIS
[36:26]
- Oh, okay. Yeah.
[36:27]
- Program that Shane worked with others,
[36:31]
but to, what was the first part of it?
[36:38]
- Well, to make sure that we are all right.
[36:41]
Everybody has that current Yes.
[36:44]
- And it's what I was struggling for the name
[36:48]
of the GIS oh
[36:49]
- RGIS - Well it's a, it's Art View GIS, but he updated it.
[36:55]
Maybe you recall the name that he used.
[36:59]
- I can give a little bit of context. I'm not quite sure.
[37:01]
Yeah. But whenever the Watershed commission was working
[37:05]
and is still working on their public project viewer,
[37:08]
the Storm Water Work group,
[37:09]
and for those who don't know,
[37:11]
the public project viewer is a shared GIS map
[37:14]
that HRG developed.
[37:16]
And we have like the growth boundary, the
[37:19]
sewer service areas, the water authorities service areas.
[37:23]
We've been kind of trying
[37:24]
to compile on a watershed level within the delineated
[37:27]
watershed boundaries, that information,
[37:29]
and then also input projects that have occurred over time so
[37:34]
that it can be a bit of a project planning tool.
[37:36]
And when the stormwater work group looked at that item,
[37:40]
and they were very interested in understanding where
[37:44]
stormwater infrastructure was,
[37:46]
where outfalls are, all those things.
[37:49]
So Shane came into the stormwater work group
[37:51]
and gave a presentation about something he's done.
[37:55]
He developed A-G-I-S-A whole workflow for it. Right.
[37:59]
That all of our local MS four partners use
[38:01]
to record their stormwater BMPs.
[38:04]
Right. And his work was so good
[38:08]
that it's actually highlighted as a case study
[38:10]
by ARC GI by Esri.
[38:12]
Right? Yes.
[38:14]
So that is something that we don't necessarily
[38:17]
get the information for, but we do know that it's happening
[38:19]
and we have somebody that understands
[38:21]
that work flow available.
[38:23]
- Right. Yeah. I'm just saying that moving
[38:27]
beyond storm water, you know, just the Right, the, the,
[38:33]
the, the, the sewer and the water service Yes.
[38:37]
Areas. Yes. Not only just the boundaries,
[38:39]
but also where the lines might be so that we
[38:43]
- Can That's a good point.
[38:44]
- So that everybody can move forward smartly.
[38:48]
- Yeah. - That's the,
[38:51]
- Okay.
[38:52]
Anything else on authorities? Okay.
[38:57]
Moving to old business, we wanted to include
[39:02]
reference to the July
[39:06]
adoption of the budget.
[39:08]
And earlier this week, I sent
[39:12]
to all the watershed commission members,
[39:16]
both the elected and appointed members, as well
[39:21]
as to our member municipal offices, a
[39:27]
budget transmittal letter,
[39:30]
and then the budget that was adopted in 2027,
[39:35]
or excuse me, in July.
[39:37]
This is for next year's budget.
[39:39]
And then also a
[39:43]
questions had come up in our presentations
[39:47]
for the 2026 budget.
[39:49]
We also sent a
[39:54]
municipal contribution spreadsheet
[39:56]
and where we've been at since 2022 when we were at
[40:01]
10 cents per capita.
[40:02]
And then two years, 24
[40:05]
and 25 at 15 cents,
[40:08]
and then 26th the current year at a quarter 25 cents.
[40:14]
And the budget adopted in July kept
[40:17]
that 25 cents per capita.
[40:19]
So that was part of the
[40:23]
information that went out.
[40:27]
And I can report that last night
[40:31]
I was at Ferguson to review the budget
[40:36]
and get comments from them.
[40:39]
So everyone, just in the context
[40:42]
of the watershed commission in relation
[40:44]
to our municipal members,
[40:47]
we adopt our 2027 budget early,
[40:51]
I think relatively speaking in July.
[40:54]
So that, but at this time, as municipalities are
[41:00]
starting to AMAs
[41:04]
and hold work sessions to prepare
[41:08]
for their 2027 budget, they have the information
[41:13]
from the commission.
[41:15]
And as it's been
[41:20]
a practice
[41:23]
that individual members from the
[41:28]
watershed commission, whether elected
[41:30]
or alternate appointees, will reach out
[41:35]
to their municipality to say, the Watershed Commission.
[41:40]
You got information about the budget, do you want
[41:43]
to put it on a public meeting?
[41:45]
If so, we'll come and make a presentation or talk about it.
[41:50]
The idea being that
[41:54]
we're trying to feed our budget information
[41:59]
into the existing budget development process.
[42:05]
So any questions about any of that?
[42:12]
Normally what we do in the timeframe is once
[42:18]
there have been from early September
[42:22]
until October times to interact
[42:26]
with municipal members, then we will look to
[42:32]
develop invoices
[42:34]
and send out municipal contribution invoices
[42:38]
for the 27 budget.
[42:40]
And that usually happens in quarter number four
[42:44]
toward the middle of October.
[42:49]
- Yeah. We, we budget season
[42:53]
has just started.
[42:54]
So Right. The initial
[42:58]
conversations are happening.
[43:00]
So it's timely to send it out at this time. So Right.
[43:04]
Having just survived the first finance
[43:09]
committee meeting of budget season.
[43:12]
- Yes. Yes.
[43:13]
Well, and Belmont Borough Council,
[43:16]
you have two new members, right?
[43:18]
- Yes, we do. Yeah. Yeah.
[43:20]
- So there's alerting curve there for
[43:24]
- Yes, yes.
[43:28]
Yeah. To vests and Marissa.
[43:32]
What's Mariah Kessler? Mariah Kessler. Good.
[43:36]
- Yeah. - Thanks Joanne. Okay.
[43:39]
- And John informed me this evening that with
[43:44]
Randy Brack Bills stepping away from the Watershed
[43:48]
Commission and Borough Council,
[43:50]
that John is the designated rep from Borough Council.
[43:56]
- Yes. And Zach Kelly will be our alternate. That's
[43:59]
- Great.
[44:00]
Yeah. Anything else about the budget?
[44:05]
Okay. Next thing on old business
[44:09]
is an update on the rock view lands
[44:12]
and things that have been percolating
[44:15]
since the Public Hearing.
[44:20]
And I understand, Barbara, you'd like to
[44:25]
share your viewpoints.
[44:27]
Please come up to the,
[44:29]
- Where is it that I should do - This?
[44:31]
Here. I'll take care of the podium.
[44:33]
I can't hear right over here. Over here. Okay.
[44:37]
I have some books to give to the, okay.
[44:41]
I'll take care of that. Can go talk. My name is
[44:45]
- Barbara Fisher and I'm a resident of State College since
[44:51]
1965.
[44:53]
- Wow. - I come
[44:55]
before you this evening as a veteran of
[45:00]
several major issues in our watershed.
[45:05]
And the rock view issue
[45:10]
has me completely spellbound.
[45:14]
It is an incredible opportunity of a lifetime
[45:18]
to have this many acres of open space between two
[45:24]
thriving growing communities of Beon and State College.
[45:29]
A cushion in between is just
[45:32]
an amazing situation.
[45:37]
I am hearing from people that with a sense
[45:40]
of remorse from them, that the people feel
[45:46]
that the land will not be honored
[45:50]
and that they have no voice.
[45:54]
I feel differently. I feel we have a strong case
[45:59]
of making a significant difference.
[46:02]
We have all the ingredients to do so,
[46:05]
and the will to do so in order
[46:10]
to do it, we've gotta figure out
[46:13]
how can we have a strategic plan to make it happen?
[46:18]
And we need to figure it out in a very,
[46:23]
very serious way.
[46:26]
The first step as I see it, is to have professionals
[46:32]
evaluate what is on the rock view land.
[46:35]
What are their assets?
[46:37]
Where are their, are there very outstanding
[46:40]
agricultural soils?
[46:44]
Is there significant water resource in the groundwater
[46:48]
that could be used for the future needs of our watershed?
[46:52]
What are the threats to it?
[46:55]
Is, is Interstate 99 a major impact?
[46:59]
What are its vulnerabilities? Where is the level?
[47:03]
Have we exceeded the level
[47:04]
of recharge already in covering up our land?
[47:09]
How can all this impact Spring Creek
[47:12]
and our fishing tourism attraction?
[47:16]
So once those assets are, are
[47:21]
carefully assessed, then I also feel
[47:25]
that these professionals should interpret
[47:28]
what they are to the rest of us.
[47:31]
And that should be our guideline in everything that we do.
[47:35]
So that the land comes first and its integrity comes first.
[47:40]
And by having that as our highest priority,
[47:44]
then we can come to more easily
[47:48]
consensus of what to do.
[47:51]
The second thing is, I think we need to have a base of a,
[47:55]
of a, a foundational base
[47:59]
and a candidate for that could be the Department
[48:01]
of Conservation and Natural Resources.
[48:04]
That's their role to protect resources.
[48:08]
We would need that help from the government
[48:11]
to really make this work beautifully.
[48:14]
And also within the Department of Natural Resources,
[48:18]
conservation Natural Resources is a section for parks.
[48:24]
So the third part of this would be we,
[48:28]
we are missing a table in a sense of
[48:30]
where we can all get together and figure this out
[48:33]
and work together on this.
[48:35]
And so the third part is we,
[48:38]
I see an initiative starting now
[48:40]
with having a work committee trying to figure out how,
[48:44]
how to go about this.
[48:46]
And that's, that could be the genesis of a council,
[48:48]
or whatever word we want to use.
[48:51]
I, it's very imperative that we have a,
[48:57]
a group, a council, a group of people that,
[49:00]
that are pulling together all types of interests
[49:03]
and a diversity of people in a way that, that they can be
[49:08]
delegated to what needs to happen.
[49:12]
And if you could use the analogy of an orchestra,
[49:16]
and an orchestra has a conductor, well,
[49:19]
we can have the council be a group of conductors,
[49:23]
but then in the orchestra we've got a section for the, the,
[49:28]
the strings and another section that,
[49:30]
that does the brass and so forth.
[49:33]
So that's the way it is in our,
[49:35]
that's why we have this terrific strength and potential.
[49:39]
We have all these different categories of willing partners
[49:44]
that can enter into working together on making
[49:48]
rock view a dream.
[49:50]
Examples of some of those categories are the agricultural
[49:54]
groups such as the d the different
[49:59]
people at Penn State working on
[50:04]
my mind is blanking, right?
[50:06]
But, okay, that's one group is the agricultural people like
[50:09]
the Conservation District
[50:11]
and the Ag extension is another,
[50:16]
you know, those are people that could play with that.
[50:19]
And then there's also groups like in in,
[50:22]
in our planning commissions and,
[50:24]
and our, our governmental groups could all lend a hand.
[50:28]
And then there are the nonprofits
[50:31]
and there's the tourism industries and so forth.
[50:34]
Everybody can play their part.
[50:36]
But if you could have this, the conductors tell
[50:41]
specifically what tasks each group should do, it,
[50:46]
it, it won't be as difficult to pull the whole thing off.
[50:51]
And one of the tasks that I see that could happen would be
[50:56]
to have a communications network.
[50:59]
So there could be a site on the computer
[51:04]
where people could, could share their ideas for rockview
[51:09]
and we could collect them.
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And then, like we did
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with way back when we had the people come from all over the
[51:15]
country world to help us
[51:17]
with our Spring Creek watershed years ago,
[51:19]
what they did is they took those, those ideas
[51:24]
and they found where there was consensus
[51:26]
and then they went back to the people
[51:28]
and said, well, which do you rate?
[51:30]
Which do you want the most?
[51:31]
So this is building a chorus within your orchestra of
[51:36]
who wants what we want as, as in a consensus way
[51:40]
of what we wanna do.
[51:42]
But it should always be tempered with the integrity
[51:45]
watching out for the land itself.
[51:50]
Okay. So principles in running this whole thing should be
[51:54]
that no one group should be the dominant force that we all
[51:59]
seek to work together as a team.
[52:02]
What are some ideas of how this, this could happen?
[52:07]
What, what, what are some ideas of a view?
[52:10]
Well, I see as being like trifold, one would be
[52:15]
a park, two would be an, an extensive use
[52:19]
of the agricultural land.
[52:22]
All kinds of ways.
[52:25]
Pollinator gardens
[52:27]
and gardens that would teach us how to,
[52:33]
to work with, with organically gardens where people,
[52:37]
different groups, we not, not me, can come in and,
[52:42]
and have 50 acre tracks
[52:44]
and grow food for the hungry gardens,
[52:46]
where the prisoners could also help work on their land.
[52:50]
And one of the task forces could be an economic task force
[52:54]
that could show how we can actually save type taxpayers
[52:58]
money by doing all these different types of things.
[53:02]
So in addition to the agriculture, the third part,
[53:06]
which is sort of maybe a newer part, is
[53:10]
to have it be a learning ecological learning center
[53:14]
where we could actually have people
[53:19]
do research as well as learn how to have,
[53:23]
make the best of, of their,
[53:25]
their own home gardens like Doug Tmy suggests.
[53:30]
And this could be a showcase for our state.
[53:32]
We could bring in tourism to see
[53:34]
what this learning center can show,
[53:36]
because we've got all this wonderful research and, and,
[53:40]
and energies at, at Penn State
[53:43]
that the sustainability initiative
[53:46]
and all the students we could, there's
[53:48]
so much material here we have to work with.
[53:51]
So I think it's extremely exciting.
[53:53]
And I have a book for each of you
[53:56]
from Doug Talley's latest book called
[53:59]
Nature's Best Nature.
[54:01]
What is the Nature's Best Promise? Nature's Best Hope. Yes.
[54:05]
And he, he could, he could, he could be one
[54:09]
of the projects on this learning center
[54:11]
that could really take us really up at a high level.
[54:17]
I just wanna share with you that today my van driver,
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I asked him, what do you,
[54:23]
what do you think should happen with Rockview?
[54:25]
He said, it should be environmental, that we should work
[54:29]
with the land and that we should learn how to care for it.
[54:33]
And then he said, I wanna walk with my son.
[54:38]
I wanna hike with him, whether it is
[54:41]
where it could be of real beauty.
[54:43]
That was his wish.
[54:46]
So I feel that you are a significant
[54:51]
potential for us, you the commission in playing a very,
[54:56]
very important role in bringing
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a very amazing scenario to fruition
[55:04]
because you have the, the commitment
[55:08]
through stewardship and you have the skills of leadership.
[55:12]
I think it would be wonderful if when we
[55:18]
in the future drive by Rockview
[55:22]
and we see treetops not
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rooftops, we see fields of green
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that beckon to us to come
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and rekindle our love of nature. Thank you.
[55:41]
- Thank you, thank you.
[55:46]
- I think that at our Public Hearing at slo,
[55:51]
Barbara's comments stimulated a great amount of
[55:56]
thought and inspiration.
[55:59]
I know that probably everyone in this room has had
[56:04]
conversations with family
[56:06]
or neighbors since that Public Hearing.
[56:11]
I can report that.
[56:14]
The letter that was sent by Clearwater
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and the 12 stakeholder groups to the governor
[56:21]
and tried unlimited senate letter.
[56:23]
We sent a letter conversations amongst all of those
[56:30]
entities are ongoing about how to formulate
[56:35]
the community
[56:40]
task force that you're referencing.
[56:43]
And that was included in those letters to the governor.
[56:47]
So those discussions are ongoing
[56:51]
and there has been meaningful progress.
[56:57]
I'm not really at liberty to get too far out front on
[57:02]
those discussions,
[57:04]
but I think everyone should be aware that they're going on
[57:08]
and that there's work underway
[57:13]
to start to formulate along the lines of
[57:19]
your suggestions, Barbara,
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that community task force.
[57:26]
- Thank you. - Any other comments about Rockview
[57:31]
or things that we should be paying attention to?
[57:35]
David's comments from earlier about the discussions ongoing
[57:39]
at Benner are most significant
[57:42]
and Yes, Gretchen.
[57:46]
- Yeah. I
[57:52]
I I guess I'm, I'm wondering since I'm a rep from college
[57:57]
and a third of the land is in college, I,
[58:06]
I just wonder what role
[58:10]
the Township can play
[58:13]
and just don't want there to be an opportunity
[58:18]
or opportunities where we could have done something
[58:22]
that might have made a difference
[58:24]
and then somehow we didn't see it in time or,
[58:27]
because I mean, there's, there's
[58:32]
definitely, I I can say unanimous desire amongst the council
[58:37]
to good do everything, you know, that, that we can,
[58:41]
to make Barbara Fisher's words come true.
[58:46]
The question is, you know, for those who are
[58:51]
experienced and experts in local government, how do we,
[58:55]
how do we actually make this happen?
[58:57]
And it's, it, it's, you know, kind of
[59:02]
seen into the future
[59:04]
and then seizing on those opportunities that maybe aren't
[59:09]
that visible, you know,
[59:12]
to, to most people.
[59:14]
Right. So anyway, I I,
[59:20]
I, I, because I haven't really gotten a lot of straight
[59:23]
answers from people
[59:25]
that I've asked about process, process, process.
[59:28]
'cause that's normally my default. Yes. Yes.
[59:32]
And I, I just kind of feel like
[59:35]
what I would normally do would be to follow the process.
[59:39]
Yes. And usually that produces good outcome, right.
[59:44]
That everybody is okay with
[59:45]
because they were a part of the process.
[59:47]
Right. This time with this particular instance, lots of,
[59:51]
I hear lots of references to the Spring Creek Canyon project
[59:55]
and there that those references were made again tonight
[59:58]
about that and sort of to mimic that
[1:00:01]
or di ditto that to do that again.
[1:00:03]
Right. So I wasn't around for that back then,
[1:00:07]
but just as, as a rep from college, I wanna say I want
[1:00:12]
to do whatever I can do.
[1:00:13]
Yep. In my role as a rep from college,
[1:00:17]
I'm just not exactly sure Right.
[1:00:20]
How to execute that. Right.
[1:00:22]
But I definitely, from anybody
[1:00:24]
that knows more than I do about it, would love to do that.
[1:00:31]
- If I could. A good comment, if I could comment
[1:00:33]
on that just a little bit.
[1:00:34]
I think everybody's kind of on that, in that situation,
[1:00:38]
the state as well as the municipalities don't know what
[1:00:42]
to do with this because things have been done
[1:00:46]
where there's been prison sites closed in the state before,
[1:00:51]
and then they were given over to perhaps to the Department
[1:00:55]
of Natural Conservation and natural resources
[1:00:57]
or some other uses, but they were, you know,
[1:01:00]
maybe 25 acre sites.
[1:01:02]
This is almost a 6,000 acre site.
[1:01:04]
It's a whole magnitude difference.
[1:01:07]
And so that's one of the problems is, well some,
[1:01:11]
something that I've heard is in discussions is a suggestions
[1:01:15]
that everybody needs to come to the table.
[1:01:17]
But the problem is there is no table,
[1:01:20]
so the table needs to be formed.
[1:01:22]
Right. And this is kind of a first step towards Right.
[1:01:26]
That towards getting together at least a, you know,
[1:01:30]
a local vision for so we can show a local vision.
[1:01:33]
Yeah. You know, and,
[1:01:34]
and you know, the, the idea
[1:01:39]
of the conservation overlay that was talked about earlier,
[1:01:44]
it really kind of, it, it doesn't prevent
[1:01:49]
future development,
[1:01:50]
but it does put kind of a little pause on it.
[1:01:53]
And, and as far as the municipal wherewithal
[1:01:58]
to, to do something with the lands, no,
[1:02:02]
there is existing Zoning that's, that is applicable.
[1:02:05]
Right. So, you know, a lot of the land is zoned
[1:02:09]
for agriculture of forestry and so forth.
[1:02:12]
Yes. There is some that's zoned commercial. Right.
[1:02:16]
So you know that that's already in place.
[1:02:19]
And so it's kind of looking forward a little bit to,
[1:02:24]
you know, preventing pre, not preventing
[1:02:26]
but presenting a vision, I
[1:02:28]
- Think.
[1:02:29]
Yes. Why
[1:02:30]
- Can to the Zoning issue
[1:02:33]
that has been brought up to me before,
[1:02:37]
and I was speaking with Paul AKs office
[1:02:41]
and they said Zoning, Zoning, Zoning.
[1:02:45]
That that's, that's the key.
[1:02:47]
And so I, I know that there's Zoning
[1:02:51]
existing already, but Right.
[1:02:53]
If the Township,
[1:02:56]
and here I'm speaking as one of five, if the Township were
[1:03:01]
to need to change the Zoning in order
[1:03:06]
to prepare for an overlay or,
[1:03:11]
or whatever would be positive
[1:03:15]
to make these goals be achieved, then
[1:03:20]
I would think it would be a good idea to start working on
[1:03:23]
that sooner rather than later. Right.
[1:03:25]
- And - I, so, and I'm not a Zoning expert Yeah.
[1:03:28]
But just as a member of the commission. Yes. Okay.
[1:03:34]
Anybody who knows a lot about Zoning
[1:03:38]
and sustainability may, may wanna come and talk to me.
[1:03:44]
- Yes. Well I can reassure, reassure both of you that
[1:03:48]
in the discussions that are underway about the formulation
[1:03:52]
of a community group
[1:03:57]
to move forward, Benner
[1:04:00]
and College Township will be active members.
[1:04:04]
That is a given.
[1:04:06]
And those discussions are underway now.
[1:04:10]
So I think that it's
[1:04:15]
not too far in the future.
[1:04:16]
There will be more information about that.
[1:04:19]
- Yeah. And I was also told by Paul Teaks office that
[1:04:26]
That route of using Zoning
[1:04:30]
to help achieve these goals is pretty solid
[1:04:35]
in that, according to them, the people that I talked
[1:04:39]
to in his office, the state will not go against
[1:04:43]
local Zoning.
[1:04:46]
They will not do that. And so,
[1:04:48]
but if it's already in place Right, then it's solid.
[1:04:52]
But if it's like, oh, we'll talk about that later. Right.
[1:04:55]
And then I know everybody's saying it'll take years,
[1:04:58]
but it's kind of like travel.
[1:04:59]
Right. You know? Yeah.
[1:05:01]
You rush, rush, rush, rush, rush to wait. Yeah.
[1:05:04]
And so I'd rather rush, rush, rush
[1:05:07]
to have something established Yes.
[1:05:11]
In, in terms of Zoning than to wait until we hear, oh,
[1:05:16]
this is gonna be decided in this state committee tomorrow,
[1:05:20]
state legislative committee tomorrow or Right.
[1:05:22]
You know, I I, right. You know,
[1:05:23]
that's a hypothetical, but Right.
[1:05:25]
Anyway, yeah. The, the i I know that the Zoning
[1:05:28]
is really key. Yeah,
[1:05:30]
- It is.
[1:05:31]
It is. Anything else?
[1:05:36]
- I had like to just add a little bit more clarification on
[1:05:39]
the work group and that approach, the watershed commission,
[1:05:44]
we have our storm water work group, which was self-organized
[1:05:48]
by the Fish and Boat Commission
[1:05:50]
and the Susquehanna River Basin Commission.
[1:05:52]
And they operate on a work plan so
[1:05:56]
that they can identify projects
[1:05:57]
and kind of move more agilely than a,
[1:05:59]
than a traditional committee that's not necessarily ruled
[1:06:02]
by one one organization.
[1:06:05]
And so we had discussion on the rock view work group at the
[1:06:09]
last meeting and then it was discussed again in the
[1:06:12]
executive committee meeting.
[1:06:14]
And so we're going to proceed
[1:06:16]
and just so the commission knows kind of the strategy,
[1:06:18]
because it is a huge issue
[1:06:20]
and it's easy to get really big really fast
[1:06:24]
throughout the spring.
[1:06:25]
We have had educational sessions throughout the community,
[1:06:30]
we've had the public hearings
[1:06:32]
and the primary partners that have been a part
[1:06:35]
of those initiatives include Clearwater Conservancy,
[1:06:38]
the Centre County Farm Bureau, College Township,
[1:06:41]
Benner Township, the Chamber of Business and Industry
[1:06:44]
and Mountain Knee Conservancy.
[1:06:47]
And so one of the first steps
[1:06:51]
to just getting this conversation off the ground
[1:06:53]
and building that table for people to sit around is
[1:06:57]
that we are going to organize an initial kind
[1:07:00]
of kickoff meeting with those partners in those initiatives
[1:07:03]
that have been sending these letters
[1:07:05]
and part of the campaign to begin with.
[1:07:08]
And then they can kind of think about the strategy
[1:07:11]
and the work group and as one cohesive work group,
[1:07:15]
we can then think about how are we going
[1:07:17]
to then synthesize the community's vision,
[1:07:20]
how are we gonna communicate, you know,
[1:07:22]
the best practices for this situation.
[1:07:24]
So that will be coming up
[1:07:26]
and any input that you have into the conversation,
[1:07:30]
we need any input that we can get
[1:07:32]
or feedback that we could get.
[1:07:33]
But that's kind of just a little bit about the strategy for
[1:07:36]
how we'll get things off the ground.
[1:07:38]
- Right. - Well if I can ask a, just a quick question.
[1:07:40]
Are you talking about an additional work group
[1:07:42]
that we're looking to form or are you talking about the work
[1:07:44]
group that's existing
[1:07:46]
- That's under discussion about how it would be organized
[1:07:51]
and not, there's a, there is agreement
[1:07:55]
that there shouldn't be one local entity that controls it
[1:07:59]
and it's, which makes it
[1:08:05]
a little bit more challenging to organize.
[1:08:07]
But all of
[1:08:11]
what Elise mentioned is at play
[1:08:16]
- And, but kind of talking about the groups that are kind
[1:08:18]
of loosely speaking right now.
[1:08:20]
Right. Not talking about a duplicated effort. Right.
[1:08:24]
- Yeah. Right. Yep.
[1:08:25]
A singular effort that will mobilize folks
[1:08:29]
and have a sit down so that many of the ideas
[1:08:34]
that Barbara suggested suggested with
[1:08:39]
experts in certain areas associated with
[1:08:44]
the land, the water, the forest, the recharge, as well as
[1:08:50]
governmental involvement, as well as understanding
[1:08:56]
the need for a communication network, how
[1:09:00]
information can be spread, all of those things are being,
[1:09:05]
they're part of those discussions.
[1:09:07]
Yeah. Yeah.
[1:09:09]
And I can reassure you, I've been involved in a few of them
[1:09:14]
with a lot of the organizations that are working
[1:09:19]
to try and pull this together
[1:09:21]
and the commission is one of the organizations that's
[1:09:26]
urging this to come together.
[1:09:29]
- Yeah. - Okay.
[1:09:35]
- I just would like to thank Barbara again
[1:09:37]
and when she speaks about rock view, I kind
[1:09:40]
of envision this jewel and,
[1:09:42]
and when Barbara describes it's a, some
[1:09:43]
of the facets on the jewel, there are many facets here
[1:09:47]
and we need to bring this to light.
[1:09:50]
- Yeah. - Yeah.
[1:09:55]
- Moving back to the agenda, I know we've got conversations
[1:10:00]
for the second part of the meeting.
[1:10:04]
Seven C, the county action plan,
[1:10:07]
the sub-award program.
[1:10:11]
- Yeah. So this is a, a grant program I, that is facilitated
[1:10:15]
by the Centre County Conservation District
[1:10:18]
and HRG Engineering, they have a sub-award grant program.
[1:10:22]
It actually ends today.
[1:10:23]
But I just wanted to give an update that Kevin Abbey
[1:10:28]
and I were able to do some outreach with Ferguson Township
[1:10:30]
so that they could apply for the grant program.
[1:10:33]
So I know it is closing,
[1:10:35]
but it's great that this conversation has resulted in
[1:10:39]
help being able to help with more applications.
[1:10:42]
So one of the contenders
[1:10:44]
for the program will be an expansion of Lawn
[1:10:47]
to Meadow conversion at Two Deck Park. Right
[1:10:51]
- On the Township owned portion of two Deck Park.
[1:10:55]
Yes. Yep. That's under discussion. Yep, yep.
[1:10:57]
- And there's a couple other applicants where even
[1:11:00]
the HRG coordinators are kind of sharing the awareness
[1:11:04]
for whatever maintenance is the barrier
[1:11:07]
to why people aren't applying our acres.
[1:11:09]
My work crew is able to come in
[1:11:12]
and help reduce that barrier
[1:11:13]
through the establishment phase,
[1:11:15]
which we'll talk about in a minute.
[1:11:17]
- That plays right into seven DI know you wanted
[1:11:20]
to make sure everyone was aware of the
[1:11:27]
activities from the summer with the My Work program
[1:11:33]
and Ethan is here so we want to acknowledge Ethan Baldwin.
[1:11:38]
Yes, go ahead Elise.
[1:11:40]
- We'll whip through this presentation quickly as a team.
[1:11:44]
But the, just a refresher, we hosted a My work
[1:11:47]
crew this past summer through Acres.
[1:11:50]
The students get paid by the Office
[1:11:51]
of Vocational Rehabilitation.
[1:11:53]
We don't contribute, we just host it
[1:11:55]
and develop the work plan.
[1:11:57]
So this crew was able to go out
[1:11:59]
and help all of the different community partners with
[1:12:02]
successful implementation of watershed stewardship projects.
[1:12:06]
So I'll let Ethan also introduce himself.
[1:12:10]
- Hi, I'm Ethan. I am currently serving
[1:12:13]
as a full-time AmeriCorps member
[1:12:14]
for the Keystone Water Resources.
[1:12:16]
But as at least had mentioned, I was hired
[1:12:19]
as an acres job coach for this my work crew.
[1:12:22]
So this slideshow here is gonna go over
[1:12:25]
some of the stuff that we did this summer.
[1:12:27]
That's my crew.
[1:12:29]
- Yeah, we have Owen Lu. I'll go left to right. That's me.
[1:12:32]
You probably know me. I'm Elise Owen Ludwig.
[1:12:35]
We had Chris Aiden and then Ethan is on the right.
[1:12:38]
So this was our work crew and we had a whole lot of fun.
[1:12:43]
- These are the partners that we worked with
[1:12:45]
for the projects over the summer,
[1:12:47]
including Centre County Cap.
[1:12:54]
Here are the projects that we did just very briefly,
[1:12:58]
we're gonna go through these.
[1:13:01]
So this is out at Calvary Church Managing Invasive Species.
[1:13:05]
This is part of the CAP program maintaining the nurse crop
[1:13:10]
as we tried to establish a native meadow out there by the,
[1:13:16]
forget the name of it, but it's the bike park
[1:13:17]
that's at Cal Church.
[1:13:19]
- Yeah, I think it's the Hamer Bike.
[1:13:21]
Mountain Bike Trail that's right
[1:13:22]
between Calvary Church and Climb Knee. It's
[1:13:25]
- Right there.
[1:13:26]
- This is the Calvary Church in Harris Township. Yep. Yep.
[1:13:30]
- These are trees lining the Hamer bike park.
[1:13:33]
These, these little tubes at the base of the trees.
[1:13:38]
We were trying it out. It's a way to effectively water them
[1:13:42]
throughout basic the week.
[1:13:45]
This is currently, well this photo was taken maybe two weeks
[1:13:49]
ago, but this is currently what it looks like right now
[1:13:51]
after the work we did this summer to establish this meadow,
[1:13:55]
maintain it, make sure that it's thriving
[1:13:58]
and from
[1:14:00]
what we've heard people are loving the do right now.
[1:14:03]
- The feedback is that it's a wonderland.
[1:14:05]
And also I sit in on the Centre County Cap monthly meetings
[1:14:10]
as a partner and they have multiple
[1:14:12]
of these projects throughout the, the watershed
[1:14:16]
and other watersheds in Centre County.
[1:14:19]
The Calvary project was the only one, this was the pilot
[1:14:22]
for getting our, my work crew involved
[1:14:23]
in the establishment phase.
[1:14:24]
And when they were through showing the status updates
[1:14:27]
of the various project, they went through all of them.
[1:14:30]
Some of them had some issues here or there or whatever.
[1:14:33]
And they pulled up the calvary one
[1:14:35]
and they said this is what an
[1:14:37]
establishing meadow should look like. Yeah. So
[1:14:40]
- That's great.
[1:14:41]
- And then also building on the watershed cleanup day, we
[1:14:45]
threw the right in the ring on like
[1:14:47]
their first week of work.
[1:14:48]
They helped organize and supervise 60 volunteers from St.
[1:14:53]
Joe's down in Philadelphia.
[1:14:54]
They were up for a Penn State camp. Wonderful.
[1:14:56]
So they did some cleanups along the roads
[1:14:59]
and then also helping out in Bald Eagle,
[1:15:01]
which does need more attention
[1:15:07]
- On West Whitehall Road.
[1:15:09]
In Ferguson Township there's Windy Hill Farm,
[1:15:12]
there's a riparian buffer running alongside a stream on
[1:15:16]
this farm.
[1:15:18]
We went out there and replaced a lot of the tree tubes
[1:15:20]
that are currently closing,
[1:15:24]
establishing trees in that buffer.
[1:15:27]
- That one's worth mentioning. Ethan.
[1:15:30]
This is a, a conserved property that sits
[1:15:36]
just across Route 45 from the Musser gap.
[1:15:40]
This is the home of Brandt and Cindy Pasquinelli
[1:15:44]
and it's got a huge wetland area
[1:15:49]
and slab cabin run flows through Windy Hill
[1:15:53]
and it has been in the system.
[1:15:58]
There's a beautiful spring at Windy Hill
[1:16:01]
that has been monitored by
[1:16:04]
the data collection in the watershed for 25,
[1:16:09]
maybe even 30 years.
[1:16:11]
It's immediately adjacent to, yeah. Right. Yep.
[1:16:14]
At your pointer is the spring
[1:16:16]
and this is immediately,
[1:16:17]
this property's immediately adjacent to the greenway
[1:16:21]
that goes from Musser and comes up to Whitehall Road
[1:16:26]
and to the new regional park.
[1:16:28]
Thank you. Yeah. So
[1:16:32]
- This is the Tom Tig Monarch Butterfly Way station
[1:16:36]
that our group constructed this summer.
[1:16:39]
Right there it was just a patch of grass
[1:16:42]
and now it is mulched over.
[1:16:44]
We planted milkweed in there.
[1:16:47]
Very specific kind of milkweed that monarch butterflies
[1:16:52]
only go for when it's that turn for their lifecycle.
[1:16:56]
It's coming along very nicely.
[1:17:01]
In Ferguson Township we worked with HRG
[1:17:07]
using maps that they provided with RJS.
[1:17:10]
We placed these MS four storm drain medallions
[1:17:15]
at, I'm gonna say just shy
[1:17:18]
of 200 different drains and two work days
[1:17:23]
- That the feedback on that one is
[1:17:25]
the work crew always outperforms the work
[1:17:27]
that they're handed and so they were blowing
[1:17:30]
through placing these medallions.
[1:17:32]
- That's great. They couldn't give us the maps fast enough.
[1:17:35]
- No. - This is a sneer butterfly
[1:17:39]
satellite garden at the U-U-F-C-C church
[1:17:44]
off of West Whitehall Road.
[1:17:48]
I believe it's adjacent to the yards out there. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:17:51]
We cleaned up the garden, allowing them
[1:17:55]
to land new stuff in there.
[1:17:58]
- Our work crew also got trained in how
[1:18:00]
to use dissolve oxygen meters and so they went out
[1:18:02]
and did some dissolved oxygen assessments and then also
[1:18:06]
provided some much needed extra feet in kicking
[1:18:08]
around the stream, finding temperature loggers
[1:18:09]
for Keystone Water Resources Center.
[1:18:16]
- This was July?
[1:18:17]
- Yeah, this was the July commission meeting tour
[1:18:20]
that they attended. Yeah.
[1:18:22]
- We attended a a FAC UHAA facility tour
[1:18:27]
tour of the facility, learned a lot about water treatment,
[1:18:31]
and I would say I was incredibly
[1:18:33]
impressed with the facility.
[1:18:34]
And so was Owen. He, he was pretty into it.
[1:18:39]
- That's what getting through all of these different
[1:18:42]
projects and getting the exposure, like, yes,
[1:18:44]
it's helping successfully implement projects
[1:18:46]
and it's also contributing so hugely
[1:18:49]
to workforce development of underserved populations.
[1:18:53]
So I'm so glad that they were able
[1:18:55]
to get all this different exposure.
[1:18:56]
We were able to be agile and respond to what they wanted.
[1:18:59]
And I had a great time working with the crew.
[1:19:02]
On one of my lunch breaks, I brought my cat
[1:19:03]
to two deck park and we walked him around.
[1:19:06]
So again, we had a lot of fun.
[1:19:08]
- Yeah. It's much needed. Very important work.
[1:19:10]
- So by the end of the summer, we ended up with building
[1:19:14]
that reputation where we had a lot of different people,
[1:19:16]
like be font burrow, coming to us
[1:19:18]
with things that they needed help with.
[1:19:20]
We even ran out of time
[1:19:21]
before we could get through everything.
[1:19:23]
'cause you know, towards the end everyone was
[1:19:24]
like, wait, no, we need this too.
[1:19:26]
So we already have a wait list of projects
[1:19:29]
for this program next summer.
[1:19:31]
So if anybody else has any ideas,
[1:19:33]
it's never too early to share them.
[1:19:36]
- That's wonderful. Thank you Ian. Ethan, you're
[1:19:39]
- Very welcome.
[1:19:40]
- Yeah. The, the only question I have, the, the,
[1:19:45]
the medallion that you're placing,
[1:19:49]
would it be possible to make that like a regional,
[1:19:53]
regional medallion at, like,
[1:19:58]
when I'm out in the Pacific Northwest,
[1:20:01]
it's like everything is for the salmon.
[1:20:04]
So every time you see a drain
[1:20:06]
or anything, the,
[1:20:07]
the little medallion says protect the salmon.
[1:20:11]
And, you know, yeah, there's, we come up with a cute, yeah,
[1:20:15]
cute little logo for our medallion,
[1:20:19]
for within the, the watershed,
[1:20:23]
- It would be an item for discussion.
[1:20:24]
Yeah. With these medallions, I will say they were purchased
[1:20:27]
by the Township as part of the MS four permit.
[1:20:29]
Right. For them to get credit for.
[1:20:31]
So they are quite expensive
[1:20:33]
and so they were kind of sitting in the closet
[1:20:35]
and they didn't have the manpower to install 'em.
[1:20:38]
So we were able to get them out
[1:20:41]
of the closet and into the field. That's
[1:20:42]
- Great.
[1:20:43]
Okay. But now you're, now, now you're out of medallions
[1:20:46]
and you got more places to go.
[1:20:47]
Yeah. Yes. Okay.
[1:20:50]
- Okay. - I've seen some medallions on campus
[1:20:53]
and I think they key into the ches,
[1:20:55]
the water scale, Chesapeake Bay.
[1:20:59]
Okay. Could I ask now we've talked about the work group for,
[1:21:04]
for Rockview, but I don't think we've ever,
[1:21:06]
we haven't officially established it.
[1:21:08]
Do we need to do that now or?
[1:21:11]
- Well, the, the discussions
[1:21:13]
that are underway in the community, I think,
[1:21:18]
take immediate precedence.
[1:21:21]
It's not something we will own.
[1:21:24]
So it isn't something that we need to implement.
[1:21:28]
We will be part of it.
[1:21:31]
So I think that's
[1:21:34]
to come up when we hear back from our partners.
[1:21:39]
- So it's not one of our typical work
[1:21:41]
groups. This is a different,
[1:21:43]
- At the moment it's not different
[1:21:45]
- Thing.
[1:21:46]
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[1:21:47]
- Interesting. I do just wanna chime in as somebody
[1:21:49]
who rides up at Harvest Fields a lot, it's awesome.
[1:21:53]
Like, you guys did a heck
[1:21:55]
of a job up there seeing it from years past to, you know,
[1:22:00]
I think two weeks ago was probably the last time I rode out
[1:22:02]
there when it looked like that.
[1:22:04]
It's awesome. So great work.
[1:22:07]
- That's great. Okay, moving to new business,
[1:22:12]
you wanted to announce our, we've selected
[1:22:16]
our 26 27 AmeriCorps member,
[1:22:20]
Alicia McIntyre.
[1:22:22]
- Yeah. We interviewed five candidates
[1:22:24]
and we're very excited
[1:22:25]
to have Alicia start on the 25th of September.
[1:22:29]
She will be hosted in the Ferguson Township building, so
[1:22:33]
we've got the keys made up for her waiting for her arrival.
[1:22:36]
Her desk will be right next
[1:22:37]
to Ethan Baldwin Keystone's AmeriCorps member.
[1:22:39]
So there'll be close collaboration there.
[1:22:42]
But she is extremely eager.
[1:22:44]
She has such a passion for this work.
[1:22:47]
She's a mother and she's just ready
[1:22:49]
to really get out there and make a difference. Yeah.
[1:22:52]
- Good. And then finally
[1:22:58]
under new business call for projects.
[1:23:00]
- Yeah, I think we can kind
[1:23:02]
of bundle this into the educational topic,
[1:23:05]
but just to set Okay.
[1:23:06]
A, I guess make a comment
[1:23:08]
and feel free to pitch in when we get to the next item,
[1:23:11]
but we really would like to see some input
[1:23:14]
of potential projects from each municipalities.
[1:23:18]
We want to create a, a list of different projects
[1:23:21]
that we could have throughout the watershed.
[1:23:23]
So anything that you can do as representatives
[1:23:26]
of your townships or your community, if you see
[1:23:30]
or identify a potential project
[1:23:32]
or a potential pitfall that could use our help,
[1:23:35]
we really could use your help in identifying them.
[1:23:38]
- Okay. Yeah. - Any you're,
[1:23:42]
- You're saying for the Spring Creek Watershed commission
[1:23:46]
or are you saying for like the,
[1:23:50]
with the acres students and
[1:23:54]
- Both. Yeah. But
[1:23:56]
- I think Okay.
[1:23:57]
- Once projects come forward, we can figure out the best way
[1:24:01]
to link them in.
[1:24:03]
- Okay. Yeah. - Acres is one tool that we have
[1:24:05]
to make it happen.
[1:24:07]
- Okay. - Okay.
[1:24:09]
And then number nine are around the robin about
[1:24:14]
watershed related news from member municipalities.
[1:24:18]
Anyone have something they'd like to share?
[1:24:23]
- Yeah, I went from Benner Township.
[1:24:26]
There's been, you know, a number
[1:24:28]
of discussions ongoing there about some potential
[1:24:34]
Zoning changes that could, you know, we impact the water.
[1:24:40]
One of them is, is development of a,
[1:24:43]
a data center Zoning Ordinance.
[1:24:45]
And that's, that's ongoing
[1:24:47]
and that is going to be probably brought up
[1:24:50]
for public review and comment in the next few months.
[1:24:56]
Also, there looking at an agritourism Zoning
[1:25:03]
to, I'm not sure exactly, you know, what,
[1:25:08]
what the overall reach of that is,
[1:25:10]
but, you know, they are looking at, you know, local tourism
[1:25:15]
and it would, you know, basically help
[1:25:18]
to control just access and things like that and,
[1:25:22]
and manage any kind of like, you know,
[1:25:25]
tourist tourist festival or something.
[1:25:27]
Okay. And then as we, as we already discussed, looking at
[1:25:32]
potential conservation overlay map right
[1:25:37]
onto the rock site.
[1:25:39]
- Thanks. - Yeah. Anyone else?
[1:25:43]
- I'm, I'm gonna ask Joanne,
[1:25:45]
do you have anything from the planning side for Beon?
[1:25:55]
- The reason John is asking me
[1:25:57]
to do this is I chair the Ordinance ad hoc
[1:26:00]
committee for the Borough.
[1:26:02]
We just finished and have sent out proposed
[1:26:09]
Ordinance updates on fees in lieu of parks so
[1:26:13]
that we can help improve our park system
[1:26:16]
and improving the planning for
[1:26:22]
traffic impact studies.
[1:26:24]
When we looked at the both of those sections,
[1:26:26]
they were both one sentence long
[1:26:28]
and didn't give any clear say what we were going to do
[1:26:33]
or how we're going to do it.
[1:26:34]
It's now about 10 pages long,
[1:26:38]
but that's, they were just sent out last week
[1:26:42]
for the 30 day review to the municipalities
[1:26:45]
and to the NI Valley Joint Planning
[1:26:48]
Commission and to the county.
[1:26:49]
All three groups are looking at it right now.
[1:26:54]
I wanna thank Elise for giving us
[1:26:58]
coming walking around.
[1:27:01]
Krause Park with us, the Spring Creek Watershed Commission,
[1:27:05]
and I don't know if it's Keystone Resources
[1:27:07]
or Keystone Water Resources Center.
[1:27:09]
Okay. They're going,
[1:27:11]
we have a Krause Park at the very end comes
[1:27:13]
to a very narrow tip
[1:27:15]
and we've been losing a lot of land to AR erosion.
[1:27:19]
So she agreed for the next two years we're going
[1:27:22]
to be actually marking to see how much land we're doing
[1:27:26]
and figure out how to mitigate this problem so
[1:27:28]
that we don't lose more of the park
[1:27:30]
that's right into the stream.
[1:27:32]
- That's wonderful. - And you spoke of data centers.
[1:27:37]
The Ordinance ad hoc committee in Bellon has for the last
[1:27:42]
three months or so, has just kind of a general overview
[1:27:45]
of what's going on, how's this happening, what's happening?
[1:27:48]
At our meeting last week,
[1:27:50]
we actually started looking at model Ordinance
[1:27:53]
and saying, this is what we can and can't do.
[1:27:56]
Knowing that, that within each region
[1:28:01]
you have to be able to have a used put somewhere.
[1:28:04]
So we're looking at what Beon can do without hurting
[1:28:08]
our citizens and businesses.
[1:28:10]
And one of the things
[1:28:12]
that the NI Valley Joint Planning Commission is tomorrow
[1:28:16]
is looking at an inter municipal agreement to talk about
[1:28:21]
how we share uses and have it put in official language.
[1:28:24]
Right now we say we do it,
[1:28:26]
but there's nothing there to, to say
[1:28:29]
that we should be doing it.
[1:28:30]
Right. So that's gonna be a discussion
[1:28:31]
at tomorrow night's meeting.
[1:28:34]
- Thank you. That's a topic of conversation at a lot
[1:28:37]
of the member municipalities last evening.
[1:28:41]
Ferguson is looking at
[1:28:45]
following the model that college developed in terms of
[1:28:51]
making data centers a
[1:28:56]
conditional use so that any
[1:29:00]
that were presented would have direct involvement
[1:29:04]
of the decision makers as you go forward.
[1:29:07]
But yeah, lots going on there
[1:29:11]
and a lot of discussion for some
[1:29:15]
of these things came out of the authorities committee when
[1:29:20]
Cory Miller, along with Ray Linas
[1:29:23]
and Pam Adams talked a lot about what's out there,
[1:29:27]
what can be done, what does the NPC allow
[1:29:31]
Municipal planning code in Pennsylvania.
[1:29:34]
Yeah. Anything else on around the watershed?
[1:29:40]
Okay. If not, let's move to item 10.
[1:29:47]
And it's my understanding that rather than have
[1:29:52]
a educational topic from outside,
[1:29:55]
there was interest coming out of
[1:29:59]
discussions at the Watershed Commission about
[1:30:04]
talking a little bit about the format, the history
[1:30:08]
of the commission, and where it might go in the future.
[1:30:14]
I can give just a brief intro.
[1:30:17]
Many people in this room know this,
[1:30:21]
but if you're newer on the scene, you might not recollect
[1:30:26]
or remember, but in the,
[1:30:30]
the Spring Creek Watershed Commission came out of
[1:30:35]
and was created by Centre County back 30 years ago.
[1:30:39]
And it resulted from an international
[1:30:44]
contingent of folks that came to the watershed, worked
[1:30:49]
with Clearwater Conservancy, Centre County,
[1:30:53]
the Conservation District,
[1:30:56]
Western Pennsylvania Conservancy was involved,
[1:30:59]
I think the Pennsylvania Environmental
[1:31:01]
Commission was involved.
[1:31:03]
And what was decided in the mid nineties was
[1:31:07]
that there should be a government oriented
[1:31:13]
entity, the Penn, the Spring Creek Watershed Commission,
[1:31:17]
as well as a citizen group,
[1:31:20]
which became the Spring Creek watershed community.
[1:31:24]
And they worked hand in hand for many years.
[1:31:29]
After 10 years, the county went to
[1:31:33]
local government and said, this is what's been accomplished.
[1:31:38]
During that first 10 years, the model Ordinance
[1:31:42]
for stormwater that was known
[1:31:44]
as the Spring Creek watershed Ordinance,
[1:31:47]
was developed in the county
[1:31:49]
and was adopted by many municipalities within the watershed.
[1:31:54]
And the county went to member municipalities
[1:31:57]
and said, we think this bird has fledged
[1:32:01]
and it's time if it's gonna continue,
[1:32:05]
that the municipalities take it on.
[1:32:08]
So in 2007,
[1:32:14]
there are a total of 14 municipalities
[1:32:18]
that have some small large
[1:32:21]
footprint in the watershed.
[1:32:24]
And 12 of those 14 municipalities
[1:32:28]
decided this is a good idea
[1:32:31]
and created under state law
[1:32:35]
the Spring Creek Watershed Commission.
[1:32:38]
And it was part of the
[1:32:42]
intergovernmental cooperation law that allowed
[1:32:47]
municipalities to come together
[1:32:49]
and formulate this group in
[1:32:53]
2007.
[1:32:55]
So next year will be the 30th overall anniversary
[1:33:00]
and 20th of the watershed commission made up
[1:33:04]
of individual and municipalities.
[1:33:09]
That has been a very useful charter document
[1:33:14]
or enabling legislation, if you want to call it that.
[1:33:18]
It came with, and the commission developed bylaws.
[1:33:23]
Those bylaws were last reviewed
[1:33:27]
and revised three years ago when it became apparent that
[1:33:32]
the executive committee
[1:33:37]
and leaders on the watershed community
[1:33:40]
or commission should not strictly be elected officials.
[1:33:45]
The first, what would've been 16 years,
[1:33:50]
the person sitting in this chair
[1:33:53]
and the vice chair, Chris
[1:33:55]
under the bylaws had to be elected officials.
[1:33:59]
And when we saw that in 23, we were looking at
[1:34:04]
a situation where we didn't have elected officials that
[1:34:09]
were active and prepared to do that.
[1:34:12]
We revise the bylaws amongst other things to
[1:34:16]
allow an alternate member of the commission to be
[1:34:22]
a chair or vice chair.
[1:34:24]
And Bob Igo, if he's still with us,
[1:34:29]
was the first alternate from Harris that served
[1:34:32]
as vice chair.
[1:34:34]
And then when Randy stepped down, I stepped forward in
[1:34:40]
July to be the chair.
[1:34:43]
So that's sort of how we got here.
[1:34:47]
And in the last
[1:34:52]
few years, Milberg has stepped back
[1:34:55]
and said that they don't want to be involved anymore.
[1:34:59]
That left 11 Potter Township
[1:35:02]
and Walker were active until Potter
[1:35:07]
until 2025.
[1:35:10]
They stepped away or told us that their
[1:35:15]
on pause during this year
[1:35:17]
and Walker also this year.
[1:35:21]
But there's continuing discussions about how
[1:35:24]
to reengage them.
[1:35:27]
So Elise,
[1:35:30]
- Yeah.
[1:35:31]
So thanks Kevin
[1:35:31]
for just giving us a refresher on the history.
[1:35:35]
I know I've been involved with the Watershed Commission
[1:35:37]
for almost maybe even four years now, so I can speak
[1:35:40]
to it in recent years.
[1:35:42]
And I think there's been a really massive beautiful shift
[1:35:44]
that's occurred historically.
[1:35:46]
There's been so much planning that's happened
[1:35:48]
with the Watershed Commission.
[1:35:49]
There's phase one, two,
[1:35:51]
and three of these plans
[1:35:53]
that you can find on our website under stewardship plan.
[1:35:56]
And a lot of time, energy
[1:35:58]
and money has been inspe invested into,
[1:36:01]
on a watershed level looking at what are the threats
[1:36:04]
to Spring Creek, what are potential solutions,
[1:36:06]
what are potential strategies?
[1:36:09]
And now with phase three, we're in the implementation phase
[1:36:13]
of the, we need to do things phase.
[1:36:17]
So that's great that we're now focusing on implementation
[1:36:21]
and we have all of those experts that have pitched in on
[1:36:25]
what it is that we need to implement in a, in order
[1:36:27]
to protect for Creek
[1:36:29]
and what are some of the threats that
[1:36:31]
we should be paying attention to.
[1:36:34]
One of the things that I have noticed in
[1:36:37]
probably the past two years is a big tone shift
[1:36:39]
with the community and the conversation.
[1:36:42]
And now some of being able
[1:36:44]
to bring together the partners in a watershed thinking lens
[1:36:49]
where you're looking at an integrated system
[1:36:52]
of the water authorities and the government and the business
[1:36:54]
and you know, all of that on one cohesive level so
[1:36:58]
that there's again, a shared table to be able to,
[1:37:00]
to tackle these issues.
[1:37:02]
Some of the management practices in the plants don't
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necessarily need to be things
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that are put in by the commission.
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Like Clearwater, they've got a beautiful repair buffer
[1:37:10]
program, how can we support them?
[1:37:14]
There's so many things we can do
[1:37:15]
and even in the most recent past year, I've been seeing
[1:37:19]
community members and partners start to come to us
[1:37:22]
or our committees and say, you know, here's something
[1:37:25]
that we need help with or here's what we're doing.
[1:37:28]
And then we're able to figure out how we can,
[1:37:30]
as the watershed commission working across the
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municipalities and across the organizations, bring
[1:37:36]
that successful implementation to fruition.
[1:37:40]
So those are some of the biggest things that I have noticed.
[1:37:44]
There's numerous things in our plans
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that I feel like we have made progress towards,
[1:37:49]
like assessing
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and collecting resources, identifying the best practice,
[1:37:53]
getting out into the community and,
[1:37:55]
and educating, you know,
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we're not a regulatory agency at all.
[1:37:59]
We are volunteer municipal teamwork.
[1:38:02]
And so being able to get out
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and kind of educate on the issues of Spring Creek
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and spark those conversations
[1:38:09]
is something that's been ongoing.
[1:38:11]
And then also, I know that the watershed commission's
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looking towards, you know, gradually increasing capacity so
[1:38:17]
that we can have time to look at more
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of these things more holistically.
[1:38:20]
So those are some
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of my observations from the past couple years
[1:38:24]
of the Watershed Commission and,
[1:38:25]
and where we've been at in transitioning from all
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of this planning into successful implementation.
[1:38:32]
And I think that we have such a great group
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of resources at the table now,
[1:38:37]
and now, you know, Chris agrees it's a good time
[1:38:40]
to have a discussion about where we get to go from here.
[1:38:44]
'cause it's not, you know,
[1:38:45]
us just saying, here's what we should do.
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It's, it's a, it's an ongoing collaborative conversation.
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- Yeah. So I'll chime in here with kind of my view
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of it having just joined the commission in January
[1:39:02]
to kind of, you know, bouncing off some of the things
[1:39:06]
that Kevin said where, you know,
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over the past few years we're starting to lose some
[1:39:11]
of our members looking at what the,
[1:39:14]
what makes this organization vital?
[1:39:17]
Like, you know, if we're losing members,
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I think there's a lack of vitality
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that we show the public in what we do.
[1:39:24]
And I think that's, you know, maybe just kind
[1:39:27]
of the public facing of it.
[1:39:29]
You know, the baseline, what we have,
[1:39:30]
the Atlas is a fantastic project.
[1:39:32]
The monitoring that we do is a fantastic project.
[1:39:35]
And I think one of the things that we're starting
[1:39:36]
to do a lot better is fostering partnerships really
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for the good of the watershed.
[1:39:42]
And what I see as being an opportunity right now is for us
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to really get together
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and focus on what it is we do,
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why we do it, and how we do it.
[1:39:54]
And I feel like this is something that was really kind
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of missing when I came in
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and through the discussions with executive committee,
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you know, really trying to figure out,
[1:40:04]
you know, what is our focus?
[1:40:05]
And I think it's to really preserve, protect
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and promote very specifically the Spring Creek watershed
[1:40:12]
and to be a partner for the municipalities to come
[1:40:16]
to with their ideas.
[1:40:18]
I think at no point should we ever necessarily dictate,
[1:40:20]
but I wanna be a trusted partner.
[1:40:22]
I wanna make sure that, you know, kind of
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what Elise was saying, you know, calling for projects
[1:40:26]
for from municipalities, ways that, you know,
[1:40:29]
if we have the expertise, if we have,
[1:40:32]
if we can connect the dots.
[1:40:33]
And I know there's a lot of other organizations
[1:40:35]
that are doing that same work as well,
[1:40:37]
but I think if our focus is very specifically the Spring
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Creek watershed, letting that be where we spend our effort,
[1:40:44]
where we spend our time, I think there's really a lot
[1:40:48]
of opportunity there for us to grow.
[1:40:50]
And you know, another thing
[1:40:51]
that really got me very specifically
[1:40:54]
interested in this conversation is looking at our budget
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for next year where we do have a shortfall
[1:40:59]
and we're looking at, you know, I think
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as an elected official, I don't think you can keep tapping,
[1:41:06]
you know, more per capita, you know,
[1:41:12]
I don't wanna say donations, that's not what it is,
[1:41:14]
but we can't keep asking
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for more from the member municipalities.
[1:41:19]
I think what we do need to do is really start to invest in,
[1:41:24]
you know, a list of projects that we have kind of ready
[1:41:26]
and on hand looking at grants, looking at capacity grants so
[1:41:29]
that we can actually fund Elisa's work, which would free up
[1:41:34]
the money that we get from municipalities
[1:41:36]
to do work specifically within the municipalities.
[1:41:38]
Looking at upstream, downstream, looking at some
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of the municipalities that have dropped recently
[1:41:44]
and showing them, you know, we have projects that we can do
[1:41:48]
that are in your region.
[1:41:51]
This is how we become a vital partner.
[1:41:53]
And, you know, really looking at the momentum we have
[1:41:56]
with the stormwater work group in identifying, you know,
[1:42:01]
really kind of, I don't wanna say easier projects,
[1:42:03]
but projects that are doable by a smaller organization
[1:42:08]
and really starting to stack those wins as we, you know,
[1:42:12]
get the capacity to take more on, we can start
[1:42:15]
to match grants that come in.
[1:42:17]
We can start to really make a difference across the
[1:42:20]
entirety of the watershed.
[1:42:22]
And I mean, for me, I think that's, that's the kind
[1:42:25]
of organization I would like
[1:42:27]
to see the watershed commission be like all serving
[1:42:31]
specifically the health of the Spring Creek watershed.
[1:42:34]
So again, that's kind of just what I've
[1:42:37]
synthesized over the past nine months or so.
[1:42:41]
And I'd be interested to hear from people that have been
[1:42:43]
around here longer
[1:42:45]
or you know, even the, the newer members, you know, kind of
[1:42:48]
what you've seen, what you see
[1:42:51]
or you know, just that's me kind of spouting
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what I see moving forward.
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So
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- If I might, just, in our founding documents,
[1:43:01]
it was anticipated that as the commission started
[1:43:06]
to do projects that they,
[1:43:10]
the commission would define a
[1:43:15]
project or a program
[1:43:17]
and communicate to the municipalities where
[1:43:23]
the question would become, are you interested in this?
[1:43:26]
Is this one that you might like to participate in?
[1:43:29]
And the, it speaks to the fact that municipalities would,
[1:43:34]
you know, raise a hand and say, yeah, well
[1:43:36]
that sounds interesting, give us more.
[1:43:39]
And then the format is that
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the commission would then formulate a specific budget
[1:43:48]
that would cover the cost of doing
[1:43:51]
that program or that project.
[1:43:54]
And for the, let's say three
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or five municipalities that were interested there would,
[1:44:02]
they'd be presented with a budget
[1:44:06]
where the commission would propose, here's the partnership,
[1:44:10]
here's the project, this is how it could work, this is
[1:44:13]
how it would get funded.
[1:44:14]
And then go back to those municipalities to,
[1:44:20]
apart from their administrative contribution,
[1:44:23]
look at a specific project and decide yay or nay.
[1:44:29]
My share of let's say $5,000, 10,000,
[1:44:35]
fill in the blank suits our municipality
[1:44:40]
and we'd like to go forward.
[1:44:41]
So that was laid out in the documents 20 years ago.
[1:44:46]
And it was used in the development of the
[1:44:51]
developing the phase two plan.
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The, after the initial phase one was done in 2003,
[1:45:01]
then we went back out to the commission, went
[1:45:04]
to municipalities and said, phase two is gonna cost this.
[1:45:08]
Are you interested in participating?
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There were private sector participants, some
[1:45:15]
of the municipal authorities threw in money
[1:45:19]
and I'd be hard pressed to remember the number,
[1:45:23]
but the account that gets reported
[1:45:28]
every two months at now that it has $2,100,
[1:45:33]
that's the remnant from doing the phase two plan.
[1:45:37]
So to your point, it was
[1:45:42]
envisioned that the commission would do this,
[1:45:45]
and here's kind of the protocol.
[1:45:49]
Yeah.
[1:45:50]
- When I kind of see the moment that we're at right now,
[1:45:53]
it's, it's time to do it.
[1:45:56]
Yeah. And you know, again, seeing the, you know,
[1:45:59]
us going a little bit over budget next year,
[1:46:01]
like it's Right, I see freeing up the funds to start
[1:46:04]
to do the projects, to get us back to a, you know,
[1:46:08]
really a, at least a break even.
[1:46:10]
Yes. If not, you know, starting to stockpile a little more
[1:46:14]
so that if we do find a project where we need to draw funds,
[1:46:18]
we can support that.
[1:46:21]
- And one other thing, just as a footnote, the
[1:46:25]
watershed commission, with the exception of doing that,
[1:46:29]
to my knowledge, with the exception
[1:46:31]
of doing the phase two plan, has always been all volunteer
[1:46:36]
until we started to bring in an AmeriCorps
[1:46:41]
with Elise and others to have help.
[1:46:46]
So, and you know, our,
[1:46:52]
we've been very frugal
[1:46:54]
and while we have a small budget, I think your,
[1:47:00]
your point's well taken that it's a good time to
[1:47:05]
start looking to do more.
[1:47:06]
- Well yeah. And especially having asked, you know,
[1:47:09]
raise the municipal share from 10 cents over, what,
[1:47:11]
four years ago to,
[1:47:13]
- It was - 25 now. Six, six
[1:47:16]
- Years.
[1:47:17]
2022. It was
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- 2022. Yeah.
[1:47:18]
- Yeah. It was 10. Yeah. - So four years ago,
[1:47:22]
- That's five.
[1:47:23]
- Is it, it's 2026 right now. - Right? 22, 23, 24, 25.
[1:47:27]
- In any case, in any case, you have to come here knowing,
[1:47:31]
knowing that we can go back to the municipalities
[1:47:33]
and say, this is what you're getting
[1:47:34]
for your increased chair.
[1:47:35]
Right. I think that's, that's really a position of strength
[1:47:38]
where we can come in
[1:47:40]
and really again, prove that we're vital.
[1:47:41]
Maybe invite some of the lapsed members back in. Yes.
[1:47:46]
- Yeah. And the budget letter that I sent out tried to
[1:47:52]
characterize what's been going on in 2026,
[1:47:56]
because when we went through the budget process last year,
[1:48:02]
a number of municipalities, college, Benner, Ferguson,
[1:48:07]
all said, make sure you keep us up
[1:48:10]
to date on what you're doing.
[1:48:13]
And so that's in there.
[1:48:14]
- Yeah. And it's a good letter, so I appreciate that. Yep.
[1:48:19]
- Yeah. If I may speak a little bit about the history.
[1:48:22]
So, you know, that international group that came in,
[1:48:26]
you know, it also involved the Chesapeake Bay Foundation
[1:48:29]
and, you know, there were scientists that came from Europe
[1:48:32]
that came from different states, came from Maryland
[1:48:35]
and so forth, all came here to study this
[1:48:37]
because they, they, they recognized the significance
[1:48:42]
of this watershed and they found that,
[1:48:48]
that there was a need for a commission
[1:48:50]
because there's such development going on.
[1:48:54]
And that was kind of the push that,
[1:48:58]
that needed somebody to be looking at the watershed
[1:49:01]
and keeping an eye on things.
[1:49:04]
And so, like I say, out of that came plan development,
[1:49:09]
you know, there's these different documents.
[1:49:11]
We have the phase one plan, phase two plan that have,
[1:49:14]
have established goals, metrics, you know,
[1:49:19]
that we can't lose sight of either, you know, and,
[1:49:22]
and a lot of that has already identified these threats that,
[1:49:26]
that need that we need to keep our eyes on.
[1:49:29]
So, you know, one thing that we can do is kind of revisit
[1:49:32]
that a little bit and refresh ourselves on some of
[1:49:35]
that basic, you know, it was a lot of hard work.
[1:49:39]
I was on one of the technical committees that was looking at
[1:49:45]
did we have enough data
[1:49:47]
or do we have gaps that we need to fill and so forth.
[1:49:50]
Well, there were some gaps,
[1:49:52]
but overall, you know, this is a very,
[1:49:55]
very well studied watershed, so there's no lack of expertise
[1:50:00]
and the commission has that role to bring
[1:50:02]
that expertise together.
[1:50:04]
And I think that there was some struggling to do that
[1:50:10]
until we finally hired some staff, you know,
[1:50:13]
because up until that point it was all volunteer
[1:50:17]
and that's difficult.
[1:50:18]
You know, you have municipal members who have their,
[1:50:20]
their duties, you have private citizens, you know,
[1:50:23]
we're just trying to contribute their time.
[1:50:25]
So that was really the shift in the whole drive
[1:50:30]
of this commission when,
[1:50:31]
when finally started hiring some help.
[1:50:34]
Yeah. And you know, that's our watershed coordinator,
[1:50:37]
that's our AmeriCorps member.
[1:50:39]
And you know, we,
[1:50:42]
we do now we are facing some budget shortfalls
[1:50:45]
because of that need.
[1:50:47]
And we do have the cushion to allow this to continue.
[1:50:51]
And we need that staff to help build
[1:51:00]
grant request and,
[1:51:01]
and look at, you know, money streams and so forth.
[1:51:04]
So it's not something we can just do as volunteers.
[1:51:08]
So I guess, you know,
[1:51:12]
I I, I've seen the change in the commission
[1:51:15]
and I, I think it's, it's, it's a, it very good direction
[1:51:19]
and continuing this direction, I think
[1:51:21]
that we can really help protect the watershed as,
[1:51:25]
as Chris is saying, should be our goal.
[1:51:28]
- Yeah. I think, I think it's just very important
[1:51:30]
to really stress that this is an opportune time to strike.
[1:51:33]
I think, you know, the work that Elise does is incredible,
[1:51:35]
and I think it's going to allow us
[1:51:36]
to do much more than we've done in the past.
[1:51:40]
And I don't want to be like, you know,
[1:51:41]
I'm sounding the alarm, oh my God, we need
[1:51:43]
to get our budget in line.
[1:51:44]
I think we can sustain a few years of this to make sure
[1:51:47]
that this is something we can do.
[1:51:48]
But I felt that it was important
[1:51:50]
that we have this discussion.
[1:51:52]
So that's actually front of mind for everybody
[1:51:55]
that's on this commission, that we are really trying
[1:51:57]
to pivot right now to a project
[1:52:02]
and grant funded organization.
[1:52:06]
So really starting to find the projects
[1:52:09]
that we can work on across the watershed.
[1:52:11]
And I will say, you know, with development being, you know,
[1:52:14]
really the major threat
[1:52:16]
and with stormwater runoff being a major threat, looking at
[1:52:19]
that as being kind of a, a focus right now
[1:52:22]
because we do have the stormwater work group, knowing that
[1:52:25]
that's a problem that needs to be solved across the entirety
[1:52:29]
of the watershed, and finding projects
[1:52:31]
where we can really make
[1:52:34]
differences one location at a time.
[1:52:37]
I, I do think it's an opportunity to again, show
[1:52:40]
that we are a vital member of the,
[1:52:43]
of the conservation community.
[1:52:46]
- And one of, I'm sorry, one of the things that,
[1:52:49]
that Elise talked about was that pub, what was it?
[1:52:53]
The public, public project viewer.
[1:52:56]
So that's a, you know, helps to
[1:53:00]
put us in the spotlight a little bit, you know, show
[1:53:03]
what we're doing and all.
[1:53:04]
But, you know, Barbara had made the suggestion in her when,
[1:53:09]
when she addressed the, the commission here that
[1:53:14]
we need to really involve the public a lot and,
[1:53:17]
and perhaps, you know, have more of a a,
[1:53:23]
some of these projects and so forth shown on the website.
[1:53:27]
I believe that. That's right.
[1:53:32]
So anyway, enough
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- Want, again, kind of get looking at the projects
[1:53:38]
and the call for projects specifically
[1:53:39]
that Elise, you are looking for.
[1:53:41]
You know, can the elected officials on this board
[1:53:46]
just get something out in your community newsletters?
[1:53:50]
I know like Harris does send out the newsletter,
[1:53:51]
just put out a call for Yes.
[1:53:53]
You know, do you, what do you see in the watershed?
[1:53:56]
Put it out to every citizen that receives an e update. Yep.
[1:54:00]
You know, like we're looking,
[1:54:00]
that's a really good suggestion.
[1:54:01]
We're looking for, we're looking for projects
[1:54:04]
and you know, don't just go to the electeds
[1:54:07]
or go to the planning, like put it out to the public,
[1:54:09]
say like, we are looking, we're looking for work.
[1:54:13]
And as we can amass, you know, a list, then we can start
[1:54:17]
to match, you know, find a grant, say this project,
[1:54:21]
this project, this project.
[1:54:23]
And it kind of gives us a little bit of momentum
[1:54:26]
to start, you know, moving forward. Yeah.
[1:54:28]
- Ethan, - Building on top of that,
[1:54:33]
- I, - I think in the role that I serve
[1:54:37]
as an AmeriCorps member with the Keystone Water Resources,
[1:54:40]
I, in a very small capacity, could potentially help you
[1:54:46]
find new projects
[1:54:47]
and add to that list of projects that you want to do
[1:54:49]
that concerns the health
[1:54:50]
and the integrity, integrity of the Spring Creek watershed.
[1:54:55]
So more specifically, just for contact's sake,
[1:55:00]
it's gonna be my responsibility to carry out the Water
[1:55:05]
resource monitoring project that Keystone executes
[1:55:08]
by going out into the watershed, going into streams,
[1:55:12]
collecting water samples, accumulating data, processing
[1:55:15]
that data and publishing it.
[1:55:17]
But while I'm out there in the actual physical watershed,
[1:55:20]
I am the eyes
[1:55:22]
and ears on the ground taking note of
[1:55:27]
the health of the waters in the streams itself.
[1:55:30]
If I noticed an impaired
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or eroding stream bank, such as the one in Tally Park,
[1:55:38]
I can be there to take note of that, document it
[1:55:41]
and, sorry, I believe she brought it up and bring that up
[1:55:45]
and make it aware to the attention of the commission
[1:55:49]
as was mentioned before, I'm gonna be
[1:55:51]
in the next desk right.
[1:55:53]
Over from the Commission's AmeriCorps member. Right.
[1:55:56]
You know, I'll be working very, very closely. Yeah.
[1:55:59]
And it's a, it can be a collaborative thing, while
[1:56:03]
the things I'll be noticing will be
[1:56:06]
directly from the streams.
[1:56:08]
You may want a larger scope of different projects.
[1:56:12]
That's just one area that I can be of help to.
[1:56:15]
So I just wanna put that out there.
[1:56:17]
- Thank you. That's fantastic. That's great.
[1:56:20]
Everybody pitching in. Yep.
[1:56:23]
- I mean the, the information
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Township Supervisors and Borough councils are like waves
[1:56:39]
and so what, how, how, how,
[1:56:45]
how they balance and how they think
[1:56:48]
can change every two to four years.
[1:56:50]
- Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:56:52]
- And so, you know,
[1:56:57]
the, the collecting the information
[1:57:01]
and thinking about
[1:57:05]
those possible projects is also one of those things.
[1:57:10]
So you have to wait for the time
[1:57:11]
that you have the receptive audience
[1:57:14]
- Correct.
[1:57:16]
- And the given community.
[1:57:20]
So it is, I-I-I-I-I,
[1:57:26]
I do like your idea of making the observations
[1:57:32]
and then coming back to
[1:57:36]
the commission and we have been having the opportunity
[1:57:42]
at that, at that point Yeah.
[1:57:45]
To say, do we think we, we have a program
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and do we think that we have the interested communities?
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Because that's, as I say, it's always a wave
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and that sometimes that that project is going
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to go and maybe sometimes you're gonna have to wait for two
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to four years Yep.
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When that project does go. Yeah.
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- Well I think that starting that dialogue was part of what
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Elise brought to me was that
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it's a process and we need to start talking about it now
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and working toward it so that
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we can start putting projects on the table that we
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put a call for projects in the agenda.
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I think the committee meetings
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that go forward are gonna have that implementation focus so
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that while we can talk about
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other things, the idea of partners coming forward
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and pitching in to move projects forward
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is at the base of everything.
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Yeah.
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- I would just like to add, you know,
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there's been talk about, you know, a lot about storm water.
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One of the biggest concerns of mine is base flow
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and, you know, base flow, you know,
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it needs protected as well.
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And they do go somewhat hand in hand
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because, you know, storm water flashing is generated from
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impious surfaces and impious surfaces reduced base flow.
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So a lot of it is just focusing on reduction
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or control of impervious surfaces.
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So we are way beyond the tipping point.
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The normal tipping point for a watershed like ours
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and our base flow is what has saved us up to this point.
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- My favorite statistic, not, not that it's a great thing,
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but most trout populations crash over
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after nine to 11% impervious surface.
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And our watershed has exceeded that since 1995.
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And so it's just that, that steady stream of,
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of groundwater coming outta the ground,
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but it's still declining, like base flow's declining.
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And one of the things mentioned in our watershed planning
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eras is identifying the recharge areas.
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And I do think one of the great things
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that we've done is working
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with the Susquehanna River Basin Commission,
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bringing Graham Markowitz in talking
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with the Centre Region Planning Agency,
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and making sure that those blue zones of critical
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recharge areas are identified and protected.
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And I know that's something we've been really pushing into
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the rock view conversation as well.
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- And it's been a nice connection with Clearwater as well,
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because it fits right into how they look at properties
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that they should be trying to help
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owners conserve.
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- Yep. - Yeah. But is there, okay, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna,
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I'm gonna put on my little understanding
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or probably go in the, on the edge
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of what's really knowledge,
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but is the rock,
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is the rock view property really the recharge area
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as opposed to what's out beyond Ferguson, Patton
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and Half Moon Township?
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- There's several throughout the watershed.
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So the Scotia Barons is a big one.
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The forested canopy is one of the things that contributes,
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there's a lot of different things that go into that layer.
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One of it is, does it have trees
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and you know, is it already forested?
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And so that makes it one of those blue zones.
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It's not gonna say like, once it's been developed on,
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those maps aren't gonna show it as a recharge area anymore.
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Even if it was one of them, you'd have
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to dive down deeper into the layers of it.
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But Rockview does have critical recharge areas on it.
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- Yep. Okay. Alright.
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Yeah, I mean I'm just being from Mont, you know,
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we always look at what comes out of the big spring, so.
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- Understood. It's important. Yeah.
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Anything else that we haven't covered?
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Anyone from the audience that wants to contribute?
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Thank you Ethan. Appreciate you being here.
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Welcome as an AmeriCorps,
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we look forward to working with you.
[2:02:18]
- Thanks for having me. - Yeah.
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- We didn't even ask you, where are you from?
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Ethan? Rhode Island.
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- Rhode Island, - Okay. Okay.
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Very nice. Yeah. Hope you didn't like the sea.
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- It's, it's Been
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an exciting time At Ferguson Township.
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We have a new manager and a new public works director.
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And so having the AmeriCorps members
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in building six at
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Ferguson has been pretty exciting.
[2:02:56]
So, well, if there's nothing else, I guess we have
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a couple matters of, let me get back to my agenda here.
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I didn't mean to put it away, but matters of record.
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Thank you. Always.
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Our event calendar, we try to maintain that.
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Item 11, our next regular meeting will be our last
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regular business meeting of the year.
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That's November 16th.
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And our friends from Penns Valley Conservation Association
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are gonna come and present.
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As John indicated earlier, Atlas meets
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tomorrow at from one to three at Patton.
[2:03:46]
And then again October 15th.
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- That was just old habit Atlas is now meeting bimonthly.
[2:03:53]
Okay. So they're only gonna be meeting
[2:03:56]
in September, like tomorrow.
[2:03:57]
Okay. And then, so basically they're every Thursday
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after watershed commission
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- Meetings.
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So it would be September 17th
[2:04:03]
and then November 17th. Correct.
[2:04:05]
- Okay. - At Patton one to three. Yeah.
[2:04:09]
Government committee.
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October 15th is going to be here in College Township 11
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to noon conservation and stewardship committee.
[2:04:19]
November 10, three to four 30.
[2:04:22]
And they do that at the Willowbank building room
[2:04:24]
1 44 in Bellmont.
[2:04:28]
And then the authorities committee
[2:04:31]
is November 18th from one 30 to two 30.
[2:04:35]
That's in the be font Borough offices.
[2:04:40]
And the, is there a, give me the update.
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What do I call the former armory as compared
[2:04:50]
to the, what was always the Beon Borough building?
[2:04:56]
- I'm, I'm gonna defer to Joanne. Joanne
[2:04:59]
- Is - I always,
[2:05:00]
- What should I call it?
[2:05:01]
Armory building. Which one are you talking about?
[2:05:03]
The The former armory
[2:05:05]
that we had two of 'em, that's why I'm asking.
[2:05:07]
Oh, okay. The one on Spring Street right across from
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where you have your meetings.
[2:05:11]
It's called the Borough Building. The Borough Building now.
[2:05:14]
Okay. Thank you. And that meeting is one 30
[2:05:17]
to two 30 in the oak room on the second level.
[2:05:22]
That's the first floor. Okay. First floor.
[2:05:26]
That's also a debate that's being settled. Yeah.
[2:05:29]
Depends which ready you go in. Yes. Anything else?
[2:05:34]
- And if you go to Bellon
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and ask somebody where the Borough building is,
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you're better off saying The armor rebuilding.
[2:05:39]
- Understood. Yeah. It's 3 0 1 North Spring Street.
[2:05:43]
Everybody a motion to Adjourn?
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- I'll make that motion. - Second Chris? Yeah. Okay.
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Alright. All in favor? And we're adjourned. Thank you.
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