[0:00] Here in Chambers, City of Sun Valley Climate and Zoning Commission meeting, September 10, 2026, where you were just out on a site visit for DR, 2026-56, an application for a new residence at 39 Lane Ranch Road.

[0:24] Staff, you want to give it a short introduction at anything before we turn it over to the applicant?

[0:32] Yes, all just bounce off the interaction that I gave you all the sites.

[0:38] It's a similar home to that proposed historic 37-wessling range.

[0:44] It seems that they are planning to build concurrently relatively flat sites.

[0:50] no major issues with access, they fall just within the bounds of landscaping,

[1:03] the origin of landscaping amounts. The plants received to not have

[1:09] exterior lighting, plants and specs. It seems that that may have been rectified

[1:16] I mean, the revision, however, I've not had time to analyze that.

[1:23] If you flip through your staff report, you'll see that I have highlighted anything

[1:27] of particular concern in red.

[1:32] There are additional information as we did, and certainly as we skim through what we were

[1:42] looking at today, I can just know if we see any of that.

[1:46] But I will turn

[1:58] it over to the applicant to walk us through what you've got.

[2:07] Is this the new set on the screen?

[2:09] It is, yeah.

[2:15] So, it should be the whole package.

[2:23] The team has made some corrections and additions to address some of the staff comments,

[2:28] which commissioners haven't seen that package yet.

[2:35] Oh, sorry, Matt, you'd all study architecture.

[2:41] Yeah, okay.

[2:48] Yeah, so here we have the application for a lot 91, roughly 6,000 square foot.

[2:56] Single family residence, slimmer to the previous project on the Jason lot.

[3:04] Two stories, two card garage.

[3:07] here's

[3:13] the survey showing the original plated envelope.

[3:17] You

[3:21] know what size that original plated envelope was?

[3:24] Yeah, I think it's on our building envelope plan.

[3:28] If you go back, I can't do that.

[3:35] 35 square feet.

[3:38] And then so the outer dash line is the expanded envelope, which is allowable by the city

[3:46] the code.

[3:50] And then you can see the calculation. And that crosshatch was the building area

[3:55] outside of the footprint.

[4:04] I mean, if you want to go to the previous one, we have the

[4:06] snow storage calculations.

[4:10] One of this cost.com answers is to make sure that snow storage

[4:14] is outside the city right away so we push that back. Another change here to note is that

[4:20] based on a meeting with the HOA Design Review Board,

[4:24] which was last Thursday on the requiring guest parking.

[4:30] So we sacrifice some of the landscaping there in the front

[4:34] for a permeable paving parking.

[4:41] This is a line item that they're very,

[4:44] but that was super important.

[4:52] Yeah, that's, that's right. It's a what's over here that will be landscaping we want

[5:15] That's a great point. I mean, we're definitely keeping the width of the driveway clear,

[5:24] but yeah, that's a great point. Thank you.

[5:38] Any questions on the area calcs? Okay.

[5:46] We'll move to the next sheet.

[5:47] please? No problem. Grating drainage we did add some indication for the dry

[5:54] wells here and with there's a staff comment about not disturbing or grating

[6:03] within three feet of the property boundary which we've adjusted that as

[6:07] well.

[6:13] The very outside lines. Nope the the boulder one. There you go. Yeah that's

[6:20] setback. That's the utility easement and then the inside one is a setback.

[6:30] Utility easement? There is yeah so it's five feet on the side and the side and

[6:35] rear yard and I believe it's ten. It's it's dimension on a separate plan

[6:39] really.

[6:43] Not there. Maybe on the first site plan. There you go. Yeah there's a

[6:50] utilities meant there that's larger along the street and five feet on the

[6:56] side and rear yard and then the inside dash line is our building setback this

[7:02] dimension that is edge of payment here which dimension are you referring to this

[7:07] line edge of payment yes must be because that's where the driveway is yeah what

[7:16] do they have all the utilities in there every block house one every block house one

[7:20] It was just like laughing that way on the sides every property line goes 5 to 2 each side.

[7:26] I was just noticing it. I know I've seen it like obviously what does is a few lots with the easements going through.

[7:32] But it seems like every government woman's whole school view.

[7:51] Any questions on the grading drainage?

[7:56] Okay,

[8:06] utility plans.

[8:09] Let's see the utility yard there on the right,

[8:15] and then the electrical and gas meter will be on the left.

[8:24] It's understanding they're all coming from that sand corner with it, shared with it a lot.

[8:30] The corner of the property boundary.

[8:37] Okay,

[8:43] construction activity plan.

[8:46] All right, how's that work?

[8:49] Yeah, the trailer is material and they're really in front of your parking spaces, how does that work?

[8:56] Yeah,

[9:03] well that's, the trailer shouldn't be blocking parking spaces.

[9:09] How does it go in the

[9:14] gravel?

[9:15] The trailer is, so that here's your trailer here?

[9:19] That's a dumpster.

[9:20] trailer, a trailer dumpster, a trailer to the left there. So you got a gravel drive into

[9:29] the F350s are going to, not

[9:34] why he just like kind of rotate the like

[9:40] this square

[9:42] I

[9:48] mean, that's the way I mean that, right?

[9:58] Because I know these guys, you know what I mean?

[10:03] You guys, do you guys review that? Yeah, just

[10:13] a side note. You don't want to say that. Oh, I'll get it out of there. It sucks. It looks good. When you pull it out, it goes through one winter. You just fall it off. I guess it's okay for building burns, but it'll be full of rocks and things. And then of course, you don't have any burns.

[10:33] So there's a lot of riverbed.

[10:36] Why were you keeping it?

[10:41] It's just a stockpile.

[10:42] It makes sense and it's good dirt, but I'll just tell you.

[10:45] If we need it, go to many houses in there.

[10:48] We need it for backup.

[10:49] You saw the piles of dirt around the test pits that you didn't dig.

[10:54] There's a lot of them.

[10:55] There's a lot of them.

[10:56] There's a lot of them.

[10:57] There's a lot of them.

[10:58] There's a lot of them.

[11:00] There's a lot of them.

[11:01] There's a lot of them.

[11:04] There's a lot of them.

[11:04] Yeah.

[11:06] Crap.

[11:08] Well, more parking.

[11:09] Yeah, more parking.

[11:10] Cool.

[11:11] Yeah.

[11:11] I don't need it.

[11:12] OK.

[11:22] Fire apparatus and hose lay.

[11:27] Through that.

[11:28] Can you get through the fireplace there?

[11:31] Yeah.

[11:32] Where is that one of your walls?

[11:34] That was a comment from city staff.

[11:38] And it probably needs to go around the fireplace.

[11:42] Yes, the accurate.

[11:44] So will you have the 150th, but if you do that,

[11:48] it's really hard to read.

[11:48] It looks like 144.

[11:51] It's 148 149 6.

[11:54] It's quite close.

[11:56] It looks like we might be doing a stand-by, Brad.

[11:59] Well, we do have a automatic fire spray.

[12:03] The house won't be up against the house that close.

[12:05] It's going to be.

[12:06] We have an automatic fire sprinkler system.

[12:09] Oh, I guess they didn't offset that with that.

[12:11] I think it's one of those trade-offs from the final Marshall pain, that's so close.

[12:17] Why do you show his life?

[12:19] Because we still need to get the outside of the building.

[12:22] We still need to get the outside of the building.

[12:25] With fire sprinklers, I think that's what we need to do.

[12:26] Oh, yeah, it's your exposure.

[12:28] It's because you're going to set up a monitor on that side.

[12:30] You know, to protect your huge thing.

[12:35] You have a big waterway over there too.

[12:38] Yeah, over here.

[12:42] Yeah, we don't have to look at that.

[12:45] Yeah, I think that that's one we just leave with him.

[12:49] We normally catch that, but being sprinkler.

[12:53] It's just more, you know.

[12:55] For sure we've got sprinklers.

[12:55] I think that's the reason why we show it.

[12:57] It's like on porn.

[12:59] It's because we're hitting anything that's spot firing outside.

[13:03] Does the sprinklers understand?

[13:04] I'm pretty sure we've had hookups and sprinklers.

[13:07] Especially in some of the white cloths on us,

[13:08] where they could make it around.

[13:09] we've made it put in a standpipe in the back, even if there were over 6,000 feet.

[13:15] It might be staff could have come out there in a special condition and read

[13:19] that once.

[13:21] Because you've got so much trees and stuff back there, but the neighborhood houses and

[13:24] fire catches those trees and trying to check your home height to get back there.

[13:27] It's just the exposure.

[13:31] Wow, wow.

[13:38] Okay.

[13:43] Now you were going to put the fire box out the front there.

[13:48] I know you haven't noticed a little, go back one.

[13:50] Yeah, the idea is to have it in this monument sign.

[13:54] In the monument?

[13:56] Yes.

[13:56] So that's your address monument there?

[13:58] Yeah.

[13:59] That's

[14:04] the war drop of the building.

[14:09] Yeah.

[14:22] Okay, that's the other house.

[14:24] Yeah.

[14:24] That's the one?

[14:25] Yeah, but yeah, we get the monument.

[14:28] Yeah, we know where it's at.

[14:29] The stake there.

[14:35] The HOA asks for a site plan where you can see

[14:37] the footprints of all the adjacent houses.

[14:39] That

[14:43] you can't see because of all the trees.

[14:45] Okay.

[14:49] Okay.

[14:50] Okay.

[14:55] Foundation plans.

[14:56] Probably not anything interesting here for you.

[14:59] No, we don't want to see.

[15:01] Keep going. Keep going. Okay, first floor plan. Pretty similar concept space plan to the other house.

[15:15] Now, have you talked to, have you guys talked to gas and electric, we have, like, kind of set your spots for your meters? We just out of the power.

[15:28] And they're good with that and you've got already had the concessions.

[15:36] Just know where it is.

[15:40] Yeah.

[15:40] It's all where it's going on the one side.

[15:44] Well, it's actually on the right side.

[15:48] Yeah, it's on the other side of the building.

[15:52] The side you pointed to is the condensers and the rest of the utilities.

[15:55] so it's in a little bit of a like a doghouse like the last project if you remember.

[16:13] Upstairs, additional bedrooms and you can see the covered porch.

[16:19] What's

[16:22] the secret lines?

[16:25] Where is the mechanical room? Is it under the hall back?

[16:29] It's downstairs next to the, so it's over right there.

[16:35] Yeah, I saw that. I'm trying to trace that up upstairs.

[16:41] Yeah, I believe we have to add a shaft.

[16:45] That's one thing that's missing right there.

[16:48] There's a chase that goes up to a faux chimney that's just for utilities.

[16:55] It's obvious.

[16:59] Okay, yeah, fit it in the cabinet.

[17:02] That's the idea.

[17:08] Okay.

[17:13] Reflect ceiling plan.

[17:15] you can see the exterior light fixtures.

[17:20] Did you count those in this?

[17:22] Yep.

[17:23] We have that tabulated on the final page.

[17:27] Here's the roof plan.

[17:30] You can see the calculation for the roof.

[17:33] That's over 30 feet, which is...

[17:35] That's enough data since that comments.

[17:37] Yep, it has been.

[17:39] And we've also added gutters,

[17:43] which might be hard to see.

[17:45] It's like double lines.

[17:48] and you see at the bottom of the roof pitches.

[17:53] Are these no retention bars?

[17:56] Is that what?

[17:56] Yeah, so on the asphalt shingles,

[18:00] it's the tab system,

[18:01] and then on the metal roof,

[18:03] we have the bar retention system.

[18:07] So are you showing bar and rail on the asphalt here?

[18:17] Like this one right here.

[18:18] This is bar rail.

[18:19] right and is this asphalt yeah can you read that note right there that's

[18:28] down right there about the asphalt they

[18:36] call the pad style then

[18:42] the metal will

[18:43] have the bar so

[18:52] within the asphalt there'll be those kind of angular tabs

[18:55] versus the bar oh

[19:05] one thing to note we'll get to that on the elevations but

[19:08] that note that says perp it wall that's incorrect that's been removed

[19:21] We thought that would help break down the massing on that side of the building.

[19:25] So what you see in the rendering is over the garage.

[19:29] What you have in your renderings is old and we'll see that's been updated.

[19:38] Yeah, you can actually see it right there on the right.

[19:41] right in the left there was a stone parapet that kind of climbed over the low

[19:46] slope roof of the garage.

[19:54] Yeah, there's an upper parapet on that tall gable

[19:57] where there used to be a sort of a square parapet.

[20:00] On the kind of concealed that lower roof, there was in the same plane and made of that stone.

[20:25] Okay. We also adjusted the chiny caps. We used to have a little bit of slope to them.

[20:39] It is. I believe it's, we have an image of that material board.

[20:51] Here is the retaining wall. You can see on those lower.

[20:58] elevations. There was a staff comment about the height. Yes. And it's also on the

[21:04] one on the left.

[21:07] So you could see there are under four feet tall. The material

[21:10] would be the same stone veneer that's on the building.

[21:20] We should have like a

[21:22] precast parapet cap. Where's coping on it? Sorry.

[21:29] Inside the supply? Yes. Absolutely.

[21:37] What's that doing? It's hard to tell in the elevation.

[21:41] Yeah, you can, if we get to the landscape planning, it's a retaining wall to kind of

[21:46] raise, get a raised planning bed.

[21:49] Okay, yeah, show us when we get there.

[21:51] Yeah,

[21:53] I might go to see it there.

[21:56] Excuse your loss.

[21:58] That was some of the bottom line, right?

[22:00] Yeah, you can kind of see it there.

[22:02] Going down to the other house that's right.

[22:04] Yeah, yeah, that's

[22:10] right there's an image of that parapet or the Chimicap

[22:16] You

[22:19] know the major change from the previous pack of these pad is that the siding has gone to a wetter gray a lighter color

[22:30] I'm part of that was a response from the HOA that there was

[22:35] two similar in tone at the other house

[22:38] We're trying to have these two houses at separate DNA and

[22:46] that also we think addresses the comment of the monument sign being

[22:49] Too hard to read against dark

[22:53] Sighting so it's a lighter gray now

[22:58] another change is you notice the covered porch

[23:01] columns that was stone previously

[23:05] And that was feeling a little heavy and clunky so now it's a clad and

[23:10] It's supposed to be wood, that's looking pretty dark there.

[23:15] So it looks like you've got a wood soften under here that makes sense.

[23:21] What, one of the staff questions was, what's the soft fit?

[23:26] Yeah, there was a question if we have any, the way I read it, if there's any exposed rafters,

[23:33] which we don't have any, it's all enclosed soft fit.

[23:36] Okay, it was hard in the town.

[23:37] Yeah, no, no, no rafters, no raftertales.

[23:42] So Matt, listen to something a little different from the other one that you don't have.

[23:46] Wolves.

[23:47] I mean, you could sneak through there.

[23:48] Yeah.

[23:49] Yeah.

[23:50] I was worried there's a little landscape all there, but it, um,

[23:55] but I, yeah, I thought the fire department still doesn't like to do that.

[24:01] We'll see what reads us.

[24:03] And

[24:07] how does your roof breathe?

[24:14] I don't see a roof vent.

[24:16] I don't see endgables.

[24:18] Yeah.

[24:19] You've got a space in there.

[24:21] You're showing your insulation at ceiling height.

[24:25] So how do you ventilate that?

[24:27] It's a hot or cold space up there.

[24:30] I believe we want to have a Boston Ridge.

[24:34] It's not showing up in these elevations.

[24:36] So that will be...

[24:37] Not showing on the sections or anything else.

[24:40] Did we have it on the 2D elevations?

[24:44] I don't mind that Boston 2, it'll be a little extra detail.

[24:49] Check the high elements.

[24:51] Can you go back to the elevation?

[24:56] See if we have that there.

[25:00] It's not there. I think a little wiggle room on there. Okay.

[25:09] Okay.

[25:17] The intent would be like the other house. Well, I was a soft event with a Boston Ridge.

[25:32] At elevation. Your piece. That chimney. Wait a minute. Am I reading that right? That chimney is centered on the.

[25:45] So, is that my reading is correctly, is Chimney's set on the window, but you've got to get

[25:53] a chase up, yeah, that how I'll go, yeah, exactly, up into the cat case where I was asking

[26:03] before.

[26:04] There

[26:14] are the top elevation you can see the cabinets for the meter, it's a pretty big vertical

[26:20] camera lever in that fire place that you've got on the end there. That footing is going to be huge.

[26:29] I don't think you'll be able to stabilize it just with the deck structure.

[26:33] There'll be a lot of extra structure in that.

[26:35] Interesting.

[26:37] You know, this is like, what's the tip?

[26:39] Yeah.

[26:40] The footing and the lines will be

[26:46] 8-inch.

[27:01] Okay.

[27:01] Okay, how

[27:13] you're lighting 39 yet?

[27:16] Yeah, it's on the final page.

[27:18] We get to the lighting, so

[27:24] there's the utility screening.

[27:33] Are you doing your Montana moss as a full layer?

[27:37] Or is it going to be a thin layer?

[27:39] It's a veneer.

[27:42] Two to two and a half, yeah.

[27:51] Okay.

[27:53] Did I miss on these new plans?

[27:55] if you have the Utilities Screaming Fence height.

[27:59] Yes, we.

[28:00] Okay.

[28:00] It's up in the bottom line.

[28:02] Oh, there's that.

[28:02] The elevations.

[28:03] Thank you.

[28:04] Thank you.

[28:05] That's what we can dance with her.

[28:06] This one?

[28:08] Yeah.

[28:09] Yeah.

[28:09] Oh, nice.

[28:13] I'm wicking.

[28:14] Where are the...

[28:21] Okay, next.

[28:22] Please.

[28:23] Building sections.

[28:24] Oh, yeah.

[28:24] This is where you're sitting.

[28:26] The installation.

[28:27] Yeah.

[28:32] We need to add some detail to that.

[28:35] You can

[28:39] see that dash red line is the record grade.

[29:05] Is that 33 and change here?

[29:08] Yeah, at least so I can't read it from here.

[29:13] I

[29:16] think that is so that some work staff report.

[29:19] Yeah.

[29:22] Absolutely.

[29:23] That's not really true.

[29:24] Oh, there's those little pinching, root, and thing, cap, shingle on the top.

[29:31] Yeah.

[29:33] Corovent?

[29:34] Yeah.

[29:36] Let me see, and I'll use more and more.

[29:44] Okay.

[30:05] Okay, next.

[30:09] Good scroll through the assembly. Typical detail. Oh, if we go back, then we added some detail, the monument sign, which is the staff comment. We have dimensions of the lettering,

[30:41] at the end of the set here, the door window is going to drill, here we go, this is a little

[30:52] bit redundant what we've seen before, but it's lighting and switching.

[31:01] Yeah, so the next

[31:01] page you'll see are tabulations, the two exterior light fixtures, and we have the color

[31:10] temperature information there and the Lumen count.

[31:22] So what's known is the recessed

[31:24] can lights that are in the porch. The covered porch we have four on each floor.

[31:34] Yeah and then there should be the monument sign right there. Which is a backlit

[31:44] numbers. Actually

[31:51] getting numbers with lighting in the back of the number. Yeah. You got

[31:57] to just put a little collo behind them. Address. We need to sign the towns. You can see them really well.

[32:08] And these are the same lights. Not as the other one. That's correct.

[32:22] So you might wonder driving

[32:23] around land ranch when they see several properties with clear glass fixtures. We hate those. Those are

[32:30] illegal as hell and we hate those. They all have their own stories. So that's why we get a little

[32:39] tense when we see something like this. Well I believe that what I understand this is that the

[32:47] the bulb itself you can't see. So the glass is just decorative. It's not being eliminated.

[32:59] Are the four new recessed lights on each part of the deck show in the light to pull

[33:07] here. Yeah. Okay.

[33:12] That was

[33:18] a spec for those map is that on the straight to which would

[33:22] be type D or we don't have a cut sheet of it here. We can easily pull that for you.

[33:35] Okay.

[33:36] Is there any landscaping waiting? There is. And unfortunately that didn't make it onto this.

[33:44] But when we if we pull up the landscaping next for ready for that

[33:47] There is there's a few pathways

[34:04] Yeah

[34:09] It's very soft light

[34:28] And as long as we're talking about my big staff invention that you had had some

[34:36] uplining and landscaping, but I couldn't see any of it in this packet.

[34:40] It was taken in and out and so it's now it's completely gone.

[34:45] There were some accent lights to light up some trees that they've been removed from

[34:50] project

[34:53] but I couldn't figure out where they were the landscape lights in the world.

[35:00] Good. Yeah, good. How many of these pathways do you have? Do you know? I think it's four. When we pull up the plan, I'll point them out to you. If it's the same as the prior landscape plan, there are three pathways on the left side of the driveway. And also in the prior landscape plan, which is the last page if you're planning to set the packet, it shows the uplighting around each tree. Or two of the trees in the room.

[35:36] There's no landscape light, there's only the thrill in the driveway.

[35:39] That's correct.

[35:43] That's true.

[35:43] There's two, three.

[35:44] Wait.

[35:46] Those are the old lights.

[35:49] Matt, that's where I was on heat.

[35:50] Right.

[35:52] Unheated.

[35:54] Not heated.

[35:55] Not heated.

[35:56] You know what I'm saying?

[35:56] We're not sure if this is right.

[35:58] We're going to get nailed by your plow guy.

[36:00] Yeah.

[36:01] Oh, the lights.

[36:02] Yeah.

[36:05] They're getting a very good snowman.

[36:08] The cloud over.

[36:19] So wait, that new landscape plan, we did not get it right, was there a one on the back

[36:25] here that shows that?

[36:27] There.

[36:30] Is that new parking right there?

[36:33] Yeah.

[36:35] Brittany, I'll be able to pull it up here.

[36:41] And with your turning circles, I know you've probably done this study.

[36:46] You can come face out.

[36:47] Correct.

[36:49] That's the idea.

[36:50] Yes.

[36:50] When you pull out your driveway.

[36:52] Mm-hmm.

[36:58] Yeah, that's a good idea.

[36:58] Back into the front door.

[36:59] Since we're talking about that.

[37:01] Does our code require a guest parking spot?

[37:05] No.

[37:05] The single thing that happens to me, you have a name on that.

[37:07] Two-parted box.

[37:09] It looks like it.

[37:09] Yeah.

[37:09] Only for any idea, do you need a box to your initial or share it with me?

[37:31] So you could see that where we added the gas parking, the permeable painting surface, some

[37:40] Some other changes that were made, pulled out based on staff comments, pulled out some of the plantings within the five foot buffer zone.

[37:50] And the ones that you do see there within the 10 foot fire wise, buffer are supposed to be low, low ground cover plantings so it wouldn't impede the hose lay.

[38:06] And I will note, which I noted in the staff report, that they are planning to use rock mulch.

[38:13] Correct.

[38:13] That's correct.

[38:14] Staff really appreciates.

[38:16] Yeah.

[38:25] What other changes?

[38:34] Well, I believe there is a comment asking about the species of the native grass.

[38:41] We did get a cut sheeted out if you want to see it.

[38:43] I don't know if the commissioners care to see that, but we can send it in to the staff.

[39:14] I'm just curious every time I've seen this on your applications, what's so special about this that you actually highlighted it in your proposal?

[39:26] Well, it was asked for an advertisement, you get the SDF, and it's what you get on the left.

[39:37] It's just,

[39:42] it was requested.

[39:44] and we haven't seen that.

[39:46] Okay.

[40:00] Any more questions? Okay. Thank you. Open the public hearing. If there is anyone here or online?

[40:17] We do have one person online, Brad? Not sure if he's with the project team? Okay, okay. So other than that, we have no members of the public online.

[40:30] Joe, are you napping out there in McColle?

[40:37] I'm just making sure you're still with us.

[40:42] I'm here.

[40:43] Okay.

[40:45] I won't close the public hearing.

[40:50] Deliberations, questions, details.

[40:55] Brittany, this random public comment about a thousand feet bigger than loud

[41:00] Was that the old, the old very first one?

[41:04] Yeah.

[41:05] Okay.

[41:05] Yeah, we're just required to include all of them.

[41:07] No, I'm not.

[41:09] I'm just going to show you.

[41:11] Carter, on your limited time,

[41:14] how long are you looking at your nose

[41:17] and your staff report?

[41:23] Do feel much of it as addressed by the plan provisions and?

[41:29] We don't want to put you under duress right here in the spot,

[41:32] but I mean, like.

[41:33] And this is substantial to rest.

[41:37] I'm here for to rest.

[41:39] I would be comfortable if you go with a conditional approval.

[41:45] We just want to go finish with the special conditions.

[41:50] What do you think about just doing a...

[41:51] I mean, I like the design.

[41:52] I have no issues with the design overall.

[41:53] But just doing a continuous let's staff, update the staff report,

[41:57] make sure everything is compliant.

[41:58] and then do a quick five minute at the October,

[42:05] given the direction to the builder

[42:06] that they can start pointing,

[42:07] whatever they need to get ready to go

[42:09] in the next three weeks.

[42:12] I wouldn't be opposed to it,

[42:14] but I'd like to go through the red comments,

[42:18] and yeah, I can give it back a give,

[42:21] our feedback on it.

[42:24] Like, with everyone planting some of the

[42:27] in the irrigation, easements, that's at their own risk.

[42:34] As you understand it, you put it in,

[42:39] the utility company needs to get in there, they'll tear it out,

[42:42] and you get to put it in again.

[42:44] Understanding that problem won't be you.

[42:47] But it's at your own risk.

[42:52] Let's say a problem with a retaining wall.

[42:59] I do have a question I've seen a couple times, just a teeny math discrepancy between main

[43:11] level garage and mechanical 38.03 square feet, but the building footprint down in the calculation

[43:19] is 3812, but it's 9 square feet different, so I'm just curious where the 9 square feet came from.

[43:28] Yes.

[43:30] So it may be someone's part of it.

[43:32] I think sometimes part of it is a definitional calculation, but it could also just be plans that didn't get fully updated to match at certain points.

[43:46] On the staff side, what we do is we will send the applicant team our definition of building

[43:51] footprint and say, you know, here's what we include, here's what we don't include.

[43:56] And then we cross-reference with the plans to try to make sure that nothing is inadvertently

[44:01] included or left out.

[44:04] But usually when I encounter these discrepancies, it's because like the plan has been slightly

[44:09] We changed on one sheet by the applicant team and then on you know what others chief that didn't get picked up

[44:15] Okay either way it works

[44:18] just

[44:19] the amount of presentation report

[44:29] You're good with building height now

[44:32] The

[44:45] comments on

[44:50] Building being faced with cedar sighting. I just want to emphasize to staff

[44:56] These fire-wise things are recommendations they're having.

[45:00] They're not law, we don't want a bunch of concrete building, or just pink stuff going in some valley anymore. So, I get concerned that they creep into requirements rather than encouragement. And we appreciate when an applicant pays attention to it. We're seeing a ton of it now.

[45:29] way more buy-in by the applicants and maybe as Daniel says all the time, it's the insurance companies are eventually going to tell you what you can do, but I just want to make sure we're not trending to requirements.

[45:44] Yes.

[45:47] Absolutely. And I will note, I did, I highlighted things in red that maybe aren't.

[45:54] This is a problem that is denial-worthy, but it's just a thing to be noting just generally.

[46:05] And they do still have, I, I determined to be substantial conformance with that provision.

[46:10] So that's just the thing that if the base of the building were rock instead of cedar, maybe that would be less of an issue, but again, it's just a recommendation.

[46:19] Be careful. You're dreading our real mid ground on the side of the table.

[46:25] I'll watch out.

[46:30] And our design standard, too, are we mixing our words with special sites versus things.

[46:38] I mean, special sites have a specific meaning in our comp plan.

[46:43] They're like the 9 or 11 that are in the city of Sun Valley.

[46:48] But now it's kind of blending.

[46:51] I mean, they passed.

[46:52] I just, you may read all their stuff.

[46:54] So I'm trying

[46:58] to control F defined special sites so I can see it in the context of the

[47:02] data.

[47:06] Consideration to special sites or are we expanding special sites to be just language instead

[47:19] of a noun?

[47:20] Right.

[47:21] So yes.

[47:21] So good to make there.

[47:22] So I noticed this as well a little while ago now that I'm seeing it.

[47:25] So we do have special sites as defined in our comp plan, those are things like the old

[47:29] chair left, the view from Elkorn Hill, a lot of things in the resort.

[47:33] This is just what our design criteria says.

[47:37] This isn't something that has gone through a text amendment since I've been here.

[47:42] So within the context of our design review code, it is broader.

[47:46] It isn't just special sites, capital letters, it does have this broader language, special sites

[47:52] of historical, natural, ecological, et cetera.

[47:55] And then it says, including but not limited to those identified

[47:58] in a comp plan.

[47:59] So yeah, very subjective.

[48:02] What's special to some is not special to someone else.

[48:04] And I think the comp plan is really the ruling document here.

[48:17] So during the day on your address monument,

[48:21] are we still black letters on a brown background?

[48:26] It looked like they had updated to black letters on like a light

[48:29] gray, which would be better.

[48:31] I just, this one I know, because my neighbor across the street at 50 has black liners on, on cherry creeks, stone, and you wouldn't know his address number was even on there.

[48:46] So, okay,

[48:53] we got the

[48:56] other red ones bugging you guys.

[48:58] I think most will be cleaned up, would you need to see the lighting, landscape lighting added into the aluminum account?

[49:11] There

[49:15] are 8,100 of 90, 100, something of that.

[49:18] Yeah, about 1,600 lumens to spare, I think.

[49:22] Depends what those landscape pictures are at.

[49:25] If they're 400, it's close.

[49:28] Yeah, I do think it feels well under, so I can't see it.

[49:32] Yeah, yeah, many idea what your landscape like, you know that kind of cut sheet they only have the

[49:39] women's in a lot of the voltage there's not an account so we need to drop that.

[49:44] It should be good that we can verify that.

[49:57] So I architecturally...

[50:00] So, I'm fine with a little eclectic. Some of the houses you were referencing as neighborhood houses, they're kind of fungly. So, just because they are, we don't need to make it a match, you can't tell. So, so I'm fine with a little eclecticity. You can throw cans out somewhere. I'm getting angry.

[50:34] and that fire place outside is.

[50:40] Yes.

[50:41] Ken's favorite.

[50:44] Come on.

[50:44] What

[50:51] is SCOA?

[50:54] Special condition of a journal.

[50:58] Thank you for the clarification.

[51:02] You're asking him?

[51:04] Yes.

[51:04] for

[51:11] the uploading,

[51:17] commission give feedback as to the architectural compatibility of the chimneys with the structure as a whole.

[51:31] Brittany and I, upon first letting me the plans, we thought the records made. The chimneys look particularly tall, especially in the prior version.

[51:39] I think that's honestly just subjective architecturally, so that's why I said to defer to you, but also the new revision has

[51:50] The caps on top of the genius a little more conservative. Oh, all right rather than the

[51:58] Like swoopy ones

[52:02] Are the ones on these planets the elevations more the intended?

[52:11] Okay.

[52:14] Reduce and scale the thing.

[52:19] Just be a little hilt down at the end of the plane range.

[52:22] I

[52:26] like this one. This one got a highlighted and circled to the limit to root.

[52:32] New word?

[52:35] Penetutive shrubs and perennials.

[52:38] Nice.

[52:41] That's that chatterclot.

[52:43] So

[52:46] we did back up in over 20s with that Black Lives Matter, and we just had to mostly build groundwork.

[52:59] Britney Code Question.

[53:02] We know the fire department in the squash dollar fund with outdoor fireplaces.

[53:07] Yes. Since 2006.

[53:09] Yeah, solid, fuel.

[53:12] What about barbecues?

[53:15] single family homes, barbecues are permitted, multi-family, not. So in this context, any

[53:22] foreign like a gas barbecue in multi-family is out? So I will let the fire

[53:28] court officials speak to this. It was highly controversial in the world of our

[53:31] multi-family a couple summers ago. So I don't know all the details but I believe so.

[53:36] Oh, I think it was made these words by that, but I think it's more of that I believe like a fire code thing in terms of

[54:02] with locating them, so it's not a problem with single-family homes, but it becomes really

[54:08] hard to get around in multi-family unless you've got, I believe, like a sprinkler head on

[54:12] the deck where you're planning to get it.

[54:21] Yeah.

[54:21] It's a gas fire appliance, kaboom, but specifically the question, single-family, you can do a wood

[54:31] burning barbecue.

[54:33] Oh, so a charcoal barbecue or a smoker?

[54:36] I believe charcoal is okay, and this is another one I would defer to read. I'm not sure about fire, you know,

[54:44] Kind of people like to do some some like wood fired pizza

[54:48] things, so I'm not sure I would defer to read entirely on that

[55:00] Okay, moving on to additionally the use of specialized paintwork coatings to enhance the

[55:11] fire or ignition resistance of building materials. Do you have any idea what that is?

[55:20] Sometimes wood will have a big pre-burn or something else to issue the amount.

[55:30] I could talk to us about like an Intimacent Paint.

[55:33] That stuff sucks.

[55:34] Okay.

[55:35] So you can get products, actually, some of the winter infactors that actually pay more,

[55:39] and they put like a coating on the wood that actually reduces the slimmability of it.

[55:46] It's awful.

[55:47] You've got to hide it.

[55:48] It's ugly.

[55:49] It's not something you're going to put on your siding.

[55:52] It's got to be put behind some of our contextual clad and then cover the steel so you don't see that crap

[56:04] Okay

[56:12] And

[56:16] what does fire-wise recommend for Windows is it dual-pain both pains tempered is that what that is?

[56:25] Yeah, they're asking for everything to be tempered now and then like but now is it

[56:30] Do they want both

[56:31] Pains tempered or or when we say everything just every piece of glass and every piece of glass

[56:37] It's not glasses with this or well not fire-wise. This is the fire-wise recommendations not a code

[56:44] It's not a rule. We know the 18 inches within floor with a staircase. That's old, but it's just the recommendations

[56:52] It's not a, it's not a, not one of our codes that we have to look at.

[56:56] Correct, yeah.

[56:57] Yeah, we just, we put the advice of the fire department in our updated standards.

[57:03] It's one of the encouraged and I think we even included language, let's see.

[57:13] I thought we had written something in here about like where feasible, but I think where we landed

[57:17] was use of this dual-tempered pain glass is highly encouraged on all structures where

[57:22] your vegetation is located within that zero to five zone.

[57:26] Yeah, it's on number four.

[57:28] Is that the one you're looking at?

[57:29] Yes, correct.

[57:30] Page 11 of 17.

[57:32] Yeah, so we started out with where feasible because our understanding is it's quite a bit

[57:36] more expensive, so we're just encouraging it where it's feasible, but especially encouraging

[57:40] it if you're going to have landscaping right up against the house.

[57:43] But again, not a regular toy code, not something that the state of Idaho has incorporated into

[57:48] to filling code as a woo-ee code or something like that.

[57:51] And then what's that second part of that considering flat and tempered glass and non-combustible

[58:00] attachment assemblies?

[58:04] What is that being an element of cloud that we assume that's considered non-combustible

[58:10] and that's a way for a window?

[58:12] No, I've got no problem with what you're doing.

[58:14] I'm asking what we're asking.

[58:17] Yeah, I sort of think that I believe it's asking just the rate of attachment to the window exterior to not have to be.

[58:29] Gonna combust on the inside first, just put it that way.

[58:33] Gonna get a raging fire on that, so I've glossed it's gonna combust on the inside.

[58:36] Yeah, I just did not, if the fire department is trying to say, oh don't use waterproof tape around your windows, make sure your nails won't burn.

[58:47] I know Japanese, wooded out houses, I.

[58:53] Yeah, yeah, so.

[58:54] The stuff starts gaining a life of its own.

[58:57] Yep.

[58:58] One makes sure we understand what we're talking about.

[59:01] Yes, yes.

[59:02] In the conversation with Fire Department, primarily

[59:07] if I could official read black.

[59:08] And then we had some input on the technical language from our building

[59:11] official Brendan Campbell to make sure that terminology was accurate.

[59:15] But my understanding from read is that sometimes the windows are a point of failure when there is a wildfire that's turned into an urban conflagration point and so

[59:26] Maybe your you know your envelope is standing up to that heat and that pressure

[59:31] But it might fail at the window point and then when you've got the fire in your house

[59:35] So that really was his intent and it was you know, yeah the metal windows are the full assembly being made of fire resistant materials because

[59:46] What good is jewel tempered pain glass if it's in a kind of lesser assembly that will be the failure of pain?

[59:57] Yeah, so that's why I'm on this section of criteria.

[1:00:00] We often ask the architects who are submitting to, you know, we kind of, in our first round of plan review comments, we'll often try to ask them to speak to this if they're including any of these features. Because on the staff side, this is not something we can pick up from rendering. And then, you know, with the construction details that were included with this plan set, that's also not something on the staff side, you know, we are not very familiar with that.

[1:00:44] We're going to get into that last point is like the venting and the resistance

[1:00:47] screening like Ken was saying with those gable vents we've seen how they're

[1:00:52] doing the the air you know you've got to get obviously get enough air through to

[1:00:58] vent your gables but there's the ember screens yeah it's almost like on the end

[1:01:05] of your two ends to get that flow if you're doing it the way I don't know we

[1:01:10] We just didn't see it.

[1:01:11] That's what we had.

[1:01:12] Only saw the chance.

[1:01:13] And then there will be a dry event which will have a screen.

[1:01:17] Yep.

[1:01:18] And then you're going to have your Boston now.

[1:01:20] Yeah.

[1:01:22] Just kind of keep that in mind that when Reed walks around and goes, oh, I'm like, mention that

[1:01:27] in the staff reporter number seven.

[1:01:30] Well, the screens that the fire department were happy with, the amber screens make me nervous

[1:01:38] from a performance point of view of getting enough air flow.

[1:01:42] Exactly because it's the fine metal mesh.

[1:01:47] Tainless debris.

[1:01:48] So you're having to do an even bigger, right, right?

[1:01:51] You're starting to get this instead of, you know,

[1:01:53] what was this, I mean, you're getting more,

[1:01:57] because you got more surface area,

[1:01:58] and we should go more air coming through.

[1:02:00] Yeah, and I don't know that we've found

[1:02:05] a happy meeting in there. I know what Reed wants and agree with it when he

[1:02:09] looked at wildfires and how structure burns but what we're gonna have more of his

[1:02:14] ice stands and pour flow and more damage caused by that here until the

[1:02:20] ripper comes through. Right. So we're having a chemical hunting so a forced error

[1:02:25] that's blowing through consistently but they haven't really got there yet.

[1:02:33] So, so I bring it up more as a discussion point because I don't know what the answer is yet that just I was always more in our is better keep the squirrels out.

[1:02:45] Now it's a little more than that and I don't know which going to run up against but you need to invent that thing.

[1:03:10] So that varietal of Aspen will sucker number five on page 14, 17, all

[1:03:25] in hand, are

[1:03:28] they Swedish

[1:03:41] And you need to add training for the Fire Department Academy, pick up your feet, don't trip over the roofs.

[1:03:52] You know, we have heavy food set 2 a.m. in the morning.

[1:03:58] Can I walk through my yard?

[1:03:59] My thousand husbands?

[1:04:00] I know.

[1:04:02] So, again, this,

[1:04:07] what actually got put into the ordinance was a recommendation, not correct,

[1:04:14] Correct.

[1:04:19] Have any member have any trouble problems or council member had problems with the

[1:04:25] secretary?

[1:04:26] The neighbor?

[1:04:28] No.

[1:04:29] The council member.

[1:04:29] But the neighbor was occurring?

[1:04:31] Yeah.

[1:04:32] That's what it was.

[1:04:33] I think that's what it was.

[1:04:36] So.

[1:04:40] Yeah.

[1:04:43] Bottom right.

[1:04:44] about the fancy in the wall, we're all good with that, just hold it and stone, free

[1:04:51] all don't value engineers out there.

[1:05:00] Is the beautiful utility screening wall finished on both sides? It's done on one side, green studs on the other.

[1:05:24] Did we ever figure out the height of that utility fence?

[1:05:28] Yeah.

[1:05:28] We pointed it out in the trollations of your numbers.

[1:05:31] No worries.

[1:05:33] Hey there.

[1:05:34] He doesn't work.

[1:05:35] If it needs to go higher than four to screen your utilities, do it.

[1:05:39] You're good.

[1:05:40] Oh, sorry.

[1:05:40] No, it is higher than four.

[1:05:41] I was talking about the address.

[1:05:43] Yeah.

[1:05:52] But if you need more to conceal, how about a, I mean, it's a beautiful, you know, problems with that.

[1:06:01] that lining we talked about and it's updated, submitted.

[1:06:18] What is the flavor of the commission on doing what we want to go through and

[1:06:24] craft these and approve and let staff look at it, do we want to go through these craft them,

[1:06:33] continue and let staff, what do you guys want to do?

[1:06:36] I think just since they just got these, have them go over to their analysis, clean up all the red, clean up all the conditions, special conditions, whatever we need.

[1:06:45] And then we just go to the next meeting, so I'll continue it forward.

[1:06:50] Just to make sure we're across the T's out in the eyes.

[1:06:53] From the exact perspective, I think we've covered all the points, venting, it'd be nice to see just an elevation with the Boston real quick.

[1:07:01] Or if I had that height and everything else, but I have no problems with the design.

[1:07:05] Layout, I think everything looks good.

[1:07:07] So it's more of just a paperwork cleanup.

[1:07:09] The way to get done.

[1:07:10] I can support that.

[1:07:13] I had a question about special condition 9, the correct property address.

[1:07:20] Did you have the wrong address?

[1:07:22] The most of the pages said the wrong address.

[1:07:27] was the oldest.

[1:07:30] The pages on the wrong hand are important.

[1:07:33] It had 39 west.

[1:07:37] That is 39.

[1:07:38] What is this?

[1:07:40] Oh, sorry.

[1:07:41] It's probably the time to get there.

[1:07:43] It could be south.

[1:07:45] Yeah, it should be south.

[1:07:46] Yeah, it should be south.

[1:07:48] And honestly, there are no duplicate numbers.

[1:07:50] It's stupid.

[1:07:52] And if I really want to be cranky about it,

[1:07:54] but it's platted as Lane Ranch Road East and Lane Ranch Road West.

[1:08:00] Some buddy in E911 decided to change it to East Lane Ranch and West Lane Ranch.

[1:08:08] What about you?

[1:08:09] Who's the fart button?

[1:08:12] No.

[1:08:12] Who'll find it?

[1:08:13] Yeah, go find it.

[1:08:14] Keep going.

[1:08:15] Just keep going.

[1:08:16] I can't read that one because it doesn't contrast.

[1:08:19] So must we note that one business on the bar?

[1:08:22] Yeah.

[1:08:24] OK.

[1:08:27] We're providing analysis, guest, parking, soft events,

[1:08:33] and staff who's collected anything else.

[1:08:36] Some of it's gone away with this.

[1:08:40] And some of it needs to be organized motion.

[1:08:45] Yeah.

[1:08:49] Let's add move to continue the public hearing for review of DR 2026-56 to the certainty of October 8th, 2026.

[1:08:59] Second.

[1:09:00] All in favor?

[1:09:01] Hi.

[1:09:05] Joe.

[1:09:06] I think we did that.

[1:09:10] Joe.

[1:09:13] We have a vote.

[1:09:15] Yes.

[1:09:27] Yes.

[1:09:28] Okay.

[1:09:29] Carries unanimous.

[1:09:30] Yes.

[1:09:31] And Joe couldn't get his coffee money for this meeting.

[1:09:35] so that's good. Thank you. I have

[1:09:52] two on the agenda. ZTA 2026-01 direction from planning.

[1:10:00] May I may in zoning, pursuant to somebody code regarding a potential zone code amendment,

[1:10:07] to amendment, minimum setback requirements in residential districts, continued from our

[1:10:13] August 27th meeting staff, little introduction before we engage the applicant.

[1:10:20] Sure, and I'll, we have no members of the public on Zoom but Joe, so you can hear me through

[1:10:25] the meeting, I'll give a brief overview.

[1:10:28] So as noted in the code, we do not have a process in some valley where an applicant can

[1:10:34] just directly apply for a zoning code text amendment, which is something I haven't encountered

[1:10:39] before.

[1:10:39] I think it's a little atypical.

[1:10:42] So that said, our process is that a potential applicant first has a pre-application conference

[1:10:47] with staff.

[1:10:48] Then staff brings forward an analysis in a public hearing setting to the Planning and Zoning

[1:10:54] commission and then the commission at that point can say basically go or no go with

[1:11:00] that potential text amendment application. If the commission feels there's some merit

[1:11:05] or merit worth exploring or that you know there's some good points there that kind of

[1:11:10] thing the commission can say yes applicant you can now proceed with the formal text amendment

[1:11:15] application. So with this in particular as kind of noted in the staff report this potential

[1:11:22] text amendment, really the kind of the broad topic relates to structures with non-conforming

[1:11:29] setbacks and particularly structures with non-conforming setbacks on lots that are more narrow

[1:11:35] than we typically see in Sun Valley. So this in particular pertains to Sunrise where as

[1:11:41] kind of briefly touched on in the staff report, a structure that already had a non-conforming

[1:11:47] setback kind of inadvertently made their structure more non-conforming through an extension

[1:11:53] of roof eaves that was intended to kind of solve an issue with the building itself.

[1:11:58] So on the staff side that came to our attention, we've been working, I would say, really, really

[1:12:03] well with representation for the property owner.

[1:12:07] To first and foremost, try to figure out, is there even an issue here with setbacks or not?

[1:12:12] The property owner did have that verified through a survey that did indicate, yes, the structure which was already nonconforming in terms of setbacks became more nonconforming.

[1:12:24] So, one option is unbuild something, another option is potentially try to change the code

[1:12:34] through a targeted tax amendment that would allow this going forward.

[1:12:42] On the staff side, I've talked with, I guess I'd call the potential applicant on behalf

[1:12:47] of the property owner, about what this tax amendment could potentially look like, and kind

[1:12:53] One of the natural thought, at least on the staff side, was that a narrow text amendment

[1:12:59] permitting roof ease for these structures that are already non-conforming, allowing those

[1:13:05] to encroach further and a non-conforming setback.

[1:13:08] As the commission might recall, and I don't think I detailed this in the staff report, but

[1:13:12] a couple of years back we did have an application for a variance over in sunrise to believe

[1:13:18] we've created a mudroom and that would have created a more non-conforming setback and so

[1:13:25] that variance was denied.

[1:13:27] So this was again a couple of years ago before the policy expires in the world of city planning

[1:13:31] when we're in school, you know, it's really, we're really taught like narrow lots, building

[1:13:37] social together, density, these are all good things and so, so isn't being able to improve

[1:13:44] and enhance your property over time.

[1:13:45] So a couple of years ago in that, when that variance came up on the staff side, I thought,

[1:13:50] maybe there's something we could do in our code going forward that would really facilitate

[1:13:54] the sunrise neighborhood or the other kind of smattering few and far between homes that

[1:13:59] have the nonconforming setbacks to make these enhancements over time.

[1:14:04] Our code doesn't currently allow it.

[1:14:06] As the commission is familiar, our code currently does allow a nonconforming setback to be extended

[1:14:12] vertically along the same plane or horizontally along the same plane, which is fairly generous

[1:14:19] in terms of code standards, but we just don't have a mechanism or any other type of special

[1:14:26] review or waiver process in the code right now that would allow these one-off reviews of situations

[1:14:33] like that. All of that said, as I sat down with the fire department to talk through this situation

[1:14:41] and the potential code amendment, and also sat down with the building code official on the

[1:14:46] building side of things in terms of building code, the building official's feedback was

[1:14:52] like this is essentially neutral, like it's not a code concern, Idaho code allows single

[1:14:58] family homes to come as close.

[1:15:00] This is like three feet to the property line through some sort of amendment Idaho code made. So not a grave concern on the building side, neutral. On the fire department side, though, keeping in keeping with all of our fire wise things we've been doing, but also just general life, safety, fire fighting operations and the angle of the ladder and how closer structures together and fire moving from structure to structure, allowing structures, allowing, I guess,

[1:15:28] Yes, more than just one structure in Sun Valley to pursue something like this is not something

[1:15:34] that they recommend.

[1:15:36] So kind of long story short on the staff side, this kind of initial thought of, well,

[1:15:42] could we perhaps craft a text amendment that allows roof overhangs to encroach further

[1:15:47] to property line as a solve here, that approach, that strategy is not recommended by the fire

[1:15:53] department and on the community development side, you know, as much as I love planning

[1:15:57] and walkability and density and improving your property, life safety really is important

[1:16:01] as well.

[1:16:02] And so that was essentially the conclusion of the staff report is that kind of as initially

[1:16:07] thought of, there's not a staff recommendation to bring that forward, but perhaps through

[1:16:13] a conversation with the PNZ today, there could be some other creative things that emerge from

[1:16:20] conversation.

[1:16:21] Should the commission feel like this is a route to potentially solve this issue that's already

[1:16:27] occurred. So all of that said, one of the reasons why summarize is the way it is is because

[1:16:34] at some point in time, our code allowed through a conditional use permit structures to seek

[1:16:41] a smaller setback than code allowed. So we didn't require it through a variance. We just

[1:16:45] we had it as some sort of process through the conditional use permit. So that's kind of

[1:16:50] why you see what you see there. It is also a plan unit development. I have not been able

[1:16:55] to locate anything other than the planned unit development

[1:16:57] plan.

[1:16:58] So I have no idea what the thinking was at the time.

[1:17:01] But in prior staff research, that's where I came across

[1:17:05] these, at least one kind of conditional use permit

[1:17:08] where an allowance was given for a structure

[1:17:10] to have a smaller setback than code allow.

[1:17:15] So again, there might be some other ways to go about this.

[1:17:19] And I also do believe that there will be other circumstances

[1:17:23] is that come up in the city that we can't foresee where maybe a little bit of relief

[1:17:29] is would be helpful to the property owner and not a grave life safety threat, but currently,

[1:17:35] as the commission knows, our routes are you ask for a variance before you do something,

[1:17:41] and that has a very narrow set of criteria, or you're just kind of stuck with what the code says,

[1:17:46] like those are the two options. You're bound by the code, or potential you can seek relief through

[1:17:51] reverence due to conditions of the site that aren't the fault of the owner, et cetera,

[1:17:59] et cetera.

[1:18:00] So that's the purpose of the discussion.

[1:18:02] We have Dave Petrie from Goline of Benchmark here.

[1:18:04] He can elaborate more.

[1:18:06] I did talk with Dave last week, I think, right as I was finalizing the staff report.

[1:18:11] I don't know if he's had a chance to brainstorm other creative ideas, but I'm happy to turn it

[1:18:15] over to Dave to further elaborate on any additional thoughts.

[1:18:19] Thank

[1:18:28] you, Brittany.

[1:18:29] For the record, my name is David Patri with Galena Benchmark Engineering.

[1:18:33] And I guess I'm a potential applicant, under Sun Valley City Code.

[1:18:40] Also with me is Jeff Kaiser, and thank you for the summary of that.

[1:18:44] I'm going to go back a little bit further and

[1:18:47] characterize this whole thing as a problem-solving exercise.

[1:18:50] Yes,

[1:18:53] Jeff was the contractor on a home in sunrise doing a new roof.

[1:18:58] There was a problem in that the eaves didn't overhang enough, drip came down into the wall.

[1:19:06] He solved that problem by extending the roof eaves.

[1:19:12] As Brittany explained, there's a whole bunch of non-conforming setback conditions already.

[1:19:18] in the Sunrise Neighborhood, and so the extension of those eaves made what was already a building

[1:19:27] that was within the 10-foot setback, more non-conforming.

[1:19:32] Probably never would have been considered by anybody except that a neighbor, I think,

[1:19:38] complained, and this is where Gleena Benchmark became involved because we were asked to then

[1:19:45] and measure the extents of the non-conformity.

[1:19:50] So we went and for the Kaiser's and measured, you know,

[1:19:58] established the law line.

[1:20:00] And measured where the eve is now, where the existing wall is. We presented that information to the community development department, I was going to call you the planning department, sorry.

[1:20:15] And, and then pretty determined, okay, there was a nonconforming condition. But the extension of the eaves, which somebody noticed has made it more nonconforming. So.

[1:20:28] So we went into a brainstorming way of how do we make this an acceptable non-conforming

[1:20:39] condition or what has to be done.

[1:20:42] And so we went through variants and because of variants is super specific and has a requirement

[1:20:50] that the condition that is being varied from is not of the applicant's own doing.

[1:20:58] We decided that we wouldn't pursue that because that would put you guys in a tough position to make that type of a finding.

[1:21:07] And so we looked at some other things that are in the code.

[1:21:13] I will bring that up as I get into Brittany alluded that I may have been able to do some more brainstorming.

[1:21:19] I didn't really come up with anything new, but maybe now that this option isn't as desirable

[1:21:29] as we once thought it was, we may go back to it and that is the determination in one

[1:21:38] of the code or an interpretation of one of the code sections.

[1:21:41] But so that's a background.

[1:21:44] If we've got questions on more detail on how we got here, Jeff is the person to answer those.

[1:21:52] We became involved when they called and said, the city's looking for real numbers and

[1:21:59] we're hiring you guys to give us some real numbers.

[1:22:03] So really, what it looks like if you were to assume that the roof overhang was flush with

[1:22:11] the wall, and I don't know if it was prior to, we've measured now is that that is,

[1:22:20] that roof overhang now is 1.9 feet beyond the wall.

[1:22:25] So, the extent of the additional encroachment is either that or something less.

[1:22:31] Because certainly the roof didn't, wasn't shorter than the wall.

[1:22:36] Oh, okay, I wasn't sure if you had this, Brittany, but this is the document that we provided

[1:22:43] to the city where on the left hand side is the area in question.

[1:22:49] And so that line there is the wall, the existing wall.

[1:22:54] That has not been altered, that's been there since it was constructed.

[1:22:59] And then the eve is the dotted line to the left, and that is what we measured.

[1:23:04] And those are the distances from the property line to adjacent to a lot 13.

[1:23:13] So that's the extent of the nonconformity or the increase in nonconformity that we're looking at.

[1:23:20] So Brittany and I took variants off the table because we didn't want to put the commission in a spot.

[1:23:28] And we didn't want to set ourselves up for failure either.

[1:23:30] And so, I apologize because this is very atypical for an applicant not to be able to bring a text amendment.

[1:23:40] So, I guess we're in a spot now where we're asking the commission if they want to consider a text amendment that would permit or allow, and we don't have the actual language for this yet.

[1:23:56] I think that language would develop if you decided you wanted to pursue this.

[1:24:01] We could try to write a text amendment that would be as tight as possible to mitigate any of the concerns on the public safety side of things and fire in particular.

[1:24:16] I think a lot of this is germane to some of the discussion that you had in the last application

[1:24:24] that you heard asking how you're going to vent roofs, et cetera, et cetera.

[1:24:28] This is the problem that was being solved that created the condition as to why we're here

[1:24:31] today.

[1:24:33] And I think everyone that's on the commission understands that.

[1:24:39] So, really what we're looking at is less than a two-foot increase in the nonconformity.

[1:24:51] It was inadvertently done.

[1:24:54] I think the other thing that we want to highlight in here and it's in the staff report.

[1:25:00] Is that other properties in the neighborhood have been permitted to do exactly what's been done here. It was done under a different, under different city code, and it's no longer allowed. And so what we're seeking, whether it be through this text amendment or some other mechanism in the code, is to allow this property to do the same thing that's been done on other properties.

[1:25:30] And that could possibly fit in a variance window and maybe the weight on that would overcome

[1:25:39] the requirement in a variance that it not be a condition created by the applicant.

[1:25:51] So I think we are going to ask to take the commission's temperature on a variance.

[1:25:57] And if the fact that other homeowners have been afforded an opportunity to do exactly what this person does if that helps the variance argument, the other avenue that we might pursue is on page two in the staff report on that in that code section 9.

[1:26:27] one B2C1. There is a provision in there that says that non-conforming building shall

[1:26:38] not be in large or extended so as to increase the non-conformity and then there's an exception.

[1:26:43] Except that, the non-conforming setbacks may be extended vertically or horizontally,

[1:26:48] subject to an approved design review application and the following criteria.

[1:26:55] The vertically

[1:26:56] and horizontally has historically been a, not an increased setback the way Brittany explained that.

[1:27:07] When I first looked at it, I thought that it was, it was pretty easy to certainly demonstrate that we're

[1:27:16] meeting subsection B there, that we maintain the existing plane because we're not moving the wall.

[1:27:24] And then A seem to be subjective to me, and that would be up to the commission to make a determination on whether it noticeably impacts the property.

[1:27:33] What Brittany explained to me is rather than having that horizontally going towards the setback, it would be horizontally continuing the plane of the wall, whereas if you go back to that exhibit, filling in that notch would be something that fell under that.

[1:27:53] but not going towards the other property to the, let's say that's the West.

[1:28:02] I don't know where the North Arrow is on that in the way that's oriented.

[1:28:06] But so that's another consideration that we talked about with Brittany and what this approved design review application might look like.

[1:28:19] And that's when she said, you know, maybe we do a tax amendment.

[1:28:22] because this condition exists for more than just this one property.

[1:28:29] With input from fire, it appears that staff in May and possibly the commission isn't willing to go with the text amendment route.

[1:28:39] So we do need to find a solution to this conundrum that we're in.

[1:28:44] So broadening the definition of that exception could be a consideration.

[1:28:50] and we would also like to take the commission's temperature on a variance on how we might

[1:28:58] have the city work with this applicant to remedy this non-conforming condition or at least make it an acceptable non-conforming condition.

[1:29:13] And if I could, I could keep talking, but I probably keep saying the same thing just in a different way, I don't know that this is how formal in what the procedure is because generally we have a presentation and then we have public comment and we have question and answer and because this is kind of a unique situation in which we're not even really an applicant yet.

[1:29:37] that I'm going to stop talking and see what you guys come up with.

[1:29:45] What's the HUA saying about this?

[1:29:48] Obviously they have their HUA correct?

[1:29:51] Like for that?

[1:29:52] Has there been any HUA involvement that you're aware of?

[1:29:58] Geoff, here you go.

[1:30:00] Just identify yourself when you speak.

[1:30:05] In

[1:30:33] the thing, yes, we out of Boston

[1:30:47] house, maybe two thirds of the house and other places they had, you know, kind of tacked on two or two, or two or six at the side, being able to watch and then try to do it in the house, which is covered with each date. Then we've applied the new owner buys the house and goes looking for answers. And so we have

[1:31:07] that I, you know, solid phone in the room that left out, like a three or four inch, you know,

[1:31:14] space and that vanity, talking about him and now he has a fully great set of works, yeah,

[1:31:22] works. To my knowledge, we haven't had any contact with the HOA. I don't know if the city has.

[1:31:29] I think that'd be a good one to do, right? To get everyone, like, let them control the temperature

[1:31:35] with everyone here, right? I think we had one of these ones come through and we had like

[1:31:42] three or four neighbors, you know, I think a lost one. It's just because they didn't like

[1:31:48] what they were doing with them, you know, pretty much. There's a couple of things you see that we got,

[1:31:53] you know, you're talking about snow removal, stuff falls off the roof, out of between, now both

[1:31:58] properties get water towards the base of their foundation, and most of those are wood or something

[1:32:03] all the way down, right?

[1:32:06] Second, you know, when Brittany's talking about urban density and

[1:32:10] walkability and you know, you look at those neighborhoods and boys where the houses are

[1:32:13] touching, you know, but they have easements on each other's properties and the developers set

[1:32:17] them up that way to build closer. But when we talk about urban density, it's like you've got to build

[1:32:24] firewalls. You know, when we build in town, you have a firewall right there that should your

[1:32:29] your neighbors how to catch on fire.

[1:32:31] Your wall is more resistant to catching on fire.

[1:32:34] And you don't have to use sucking up air in embers

[1:32:36] that are gonna now catch your house on fire.

[1:32:38] So it's not just a, yeah, it's not just a,

[1:32:42] have we wanna push this out further

[1:32:43] but it's consideration to how we take care of them

[1:32:46] where you're coming off and how do we take care

[1:32:48] of safety on the other side of it.

[1:32:50] It's only you can only do a roof within two feet

[1:32:53] of a property line and then four feet of that roof up

[1:32:56] has to be non combustible plywood.

[1:32:58] Yeah, you know the orange the orange sheeding stuff that you see. Yeah, and if you have like a

[1:33:03] Well, that's the different the building code to right because when you're building this it's kind of as a single-family home

[1:33:08] So it's a different building categories and if you're building up

[1:33:12] Multi-family or even a townhouse with a firewall in the

[1:33:15] 15 feet. It's got to be one hour. Yeah, you'd have to you'd have to jump up if you're gonna get closer. I think you have to jump up in a building code

[1:33:23] So it could also be taken care of with the mutual easement between the two neighbors instead

[1:33:33] of a text amendment.

[1:33:35] You can go to the picture of this now.

[1:33:41] So is this what was there or does that line represent existing or new?

[1:33:51] this line the dash the dash one that's the overhang but did you extend all of the

[1:33:59] eaves to get venting in or am I looking at old versus new we

[1:34:10] excited it

[1:34:16] makes

[1:34:17] sense some of it was already like the right hand for the two right hand

[1:34:22] cop-outs on the right side. Again, that whole side of the house has a really

[1:34:27] common on idea. That's the shitty side facing East, I guess. A

[1:34:36] funky left

[1:34:41] -hand

[1:34:41] south corner there. That already had a little common on thing there.

[1:34:48] Instead, we put

[1:34:49] a tail on and then allow for, you know, what we put in on one. A one by four,

[1:34:59] a one

[1:35:00] That's how big, you know what I mean? It's the most minimal kind of eve, it's still events. So is this existing? This is near-map aerial photography from 2024 before the project occurred. And then this is 2025 aerial photography. So it's no clip or gutted. No gutters.

[1:35:34] I mean, we still see it.

[1:35:35] So, you know, snow clips always don't want help, but then you get the whole snow coming over the, you know, the wind red coming over.

[1:35:44] I mean, half-compet happens to my house too.

[1:35:47] It just, you get those snow wind blown effects and they come around and they start hanging off the side.

[1:35:52] I

[1:35:58] guess I assume that it has snow clips because...

[1:36:08] No.

[1:36:08] Typically, they only put them over...

[1:36:10] Coe is only the doorways.

[1:36:12] But what

[1:36:24] about down to design review or a variance with some conditions to

[1:36:29] Hey, you got to pull the water away from the property line dripping off. You got to put some snowclips out there

[1:36:34] To prevent everything keeping on your property. I think that it could be a

[1:36:42] Your was something like a drip. Yeah, there's a gutter. It almost needs to have like a French train in the ground. It's taking it

[1:36:50] I mean, some gutters, probably gutters.

[1:36:53] He's a gutter, you got to use the gutter, but it could be considered a hardship based

[1:36:59] on the size of the lots, the current construction where it was built back in 1977 or whenever

[1:37:06] and modern day building constraints to get proper ventilation and everything else.

[1:37:15] Because if I think we open the door to everybody doing it, then everybody just doesn't.

[1:37:21] And we, you know, it's got more fire hazard than everything else too, and I think that would be a safety issue for the city.

[1:37:34] But if constructed right, then with the right fire mitigation and water mitigation and everything else,

[1:37:40] the

[1:37:50] minimum relief that you need to really protect the property.

[1:37:54] We

[1:38:09] made money on number three.

[1:38:13] That's easy.

[1:38:15] If you do things like controlling the water and controlling the drainage,

[1:38:32] I'm just thinking about that wicking, you know, candlestick, candlestick, you know, house

[1:38:40] to house house.

[1:38:41] The reason why you won, the step-axe, the way it is, I think it's on page, stuff important.

[1:38:48] You know, like they say, they talk up to five feet because it has to be minimal.

[1:38:55] I mean, is there other houses that are disclosed in there, at least the two closest houses?

[1:39:01] No, the whole neighborhood.

[1:39:03] I mean, if you wanted to just say, you'd say, none of the houses, man, all of the houses eat down.

[1:39:08] They're all at the same property lines or proximity will say, roof to roof, e to e.

[1:39:15] I mean, it's a very cookie cutter, it's the first neighborhood you know in Elkhorn,

[1:39:21] it's Deb C, it's just on and on and on and on and on about how do you, how do you,

[1:39:27] through these doubts, you cannot bet these truths without knowing what I did, you cannot,

[1:39:32] it's not possible. So, so what's your total projection from the wall? 1.9, 1.6, 1.9.

[1:39:44] It's less than 20 inches, I mean I would say it's 17, 15, 15 to 17 inches from the wall.

[1:39:52] And then if you were to put a gutter on that, you know, it's one of those six, you know,

[1:39:55] like that's the whole thing.

[1:39:56] But the gutter's not flamboyant.

[1:39:58] I know.

[1:40:01] Actually, it improves, you know, it comes out what the forage gutter still improves that. What,

[1:40:13] what we have over here. It's not that understood, but is it like this relationship? I'll give it that in your mouth.

[1:40:25] You get close to the same situation. Closer than this one. Yeah, this one. So this one, because it's all different stuff.

[1:40:39] So

[1:40:55] that's a measure from the foundation, not from the roof overhand?

[1:40:59] Yes.

[1:41:00] And then, yeah, and then I can remember, yeah, big and true, three feet.

[1:41:06] I think in this zoning district in the nonconforming situation, they're allowed three feet to protrude into the setback.

[1:41:16] So, it was already beyond that when this started.

[1:41:23] Is there any appetite for the, except as with a design review approval?

[1:41:33] I'm sensing there's not a real appetite for a text amendment.

[1:41:37] And I, we're not here to try to convince you otherwise.

[1:41:41] what we do want to do is come up with a solution.

[1:41:46] And so there's the variance that was up,

[1:41:49] and then Brittany, it's in the staff report,

[1:41:52] and it's that C1 where there's that exception

[1:41:55] that a non-conforming can't be more non-conforming except that.

[1:42:02] Is there an appetite where the applicant,

[1:42:06] I mean, where the owner of this could submit a design review application to.

[1:42:16] Would there be no conforming if we measure a setback from the foundation?

[1:42:20] It's just a number.

[1:42:22] Yeah.

[1:42:23] How does that read if it's if it's been.

[1:42:27] It's only five foot two.

[1:42:29] Well, yeah, the building's not conforming, but is it more non-former because we did that because our non-conformance is already from the foundation, not from the overhead, correct?

[1:42:36] So, yeah, so the other part of code is the on these, so there's two things, lots that are under 20,000 square feet in size.

[1:42:45] On those lots, you have a 10-foot setback on all sides and your roof overhanging can encroach three feet into the setback.

[1:42:52] So that would give you a net of seven.

[1:42:53] three feet from the wall. Correct, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's

[1:43:16] ever would pass because

[1:43:19] you're responsible for it because you're asking for it. Well then no one at variance would

[1:43:26] ever pass them, right? Under that, yeah. Exactly my point. And I think the inherited construction

[1:43:34] techniques from the 70s by a cheap builder, God rest his soul. And they didn't

[1:43:43] really know about cold roofs back then, or he certainly wasn't going to invest

[1:43:47] in the doe and fire department hate cold roof. But we know they work and they

[1:43:53] save a lot of problems. So I think to me there's a way to finesse that the health

[1:44:03] and wallfare that you touched on about this fire.

[1:44:07] It's already there.

[1:44:10] Another 20 inches of roofie isn't going

[1:44:13] to make it more of a fire hazard.

[1:44:15] What's it going to have to do?

[1:44:15] You do have to go first and shake.

[1:44:17] You do have the overhang.

[1:44:19] So it does, you know, a fire is coming down from below.

[1:44:23] A straight wall is less likely to catch fire

[1:44:26] than something that's overhanging heat.

[1:44:28] You're trying to argue again, are you?

[1:44:31] I'm going to say it.

[1:44:32] I know what it is.

[1:44:32] No, I think it's still a way to go.

[1:44:34] I think they're, but with that variance, I think that,

[1:44:38] hey, how was that okay with the fire department?

[1:44:41] Is there some type of extra fire protection added

[1:44:44] to that that doesn't jeopardize the safety?

[1:44:49] Back in 1977, what was back back here?

[1:44:52] Was it anything something?

[1:44:53] Yeah, so it was owned and it was a planned unit development.

[1:44:56] So all of it was plotted in 1977.

[1:44:59] A ton of these homes were put in.

[1:45:00] We've built that same year. And so what I what I don't have is the original PUD like finding the fact we just have the plat. And so clearly the homes were committed to be built in these locations, but I just I don't have the definitive. Right. Because I mean, there was no step actually according to the less than 20,000 square feet to be 10 day. Right? Yeah, that language is not there in 1977 or it was altered by the PUD. Yeah, exactly. So it's done. It's done. It's there.

[1:45:29] the fact that the roof overhangs are now couldn't, from both sides, could get a little closer.

[1:45:38] I mean we have that everywhere.

[1:45:40] The minimal overhang is not typical for this building area.

[1:45:49] You know, I would argue against the text amendment because yeah, although code now has changed to what three feet,

[1:45:57] state code allows you to build that close. We don't want to do that. We don't want to

[1:46:03] density. We don't want that here in some valley. There is a reason why we have set

[1:46:09] boxes for vehicle argos and you know like we've been going on a lot. Yeah we're trying to jam them all in

[1:46:15] here for a bunch of people. So I think there's wiggle room in the findings required by

[1:46:25] the variance where we could make those where the applicant could suggest them.

[1:46:30] Okay. That was going to be my question or a head nod at least that there is a path to

[1:46:38] a positive finding on number two that the need for this variance is not a result of the actions

[1:46:45] of the applicant or the property owner. And so when we submit this application, it's not going

[1:46:51] to be because we did this when we did the roof, it's that this needed to happen because the original home had a construction defect that needs to be corrected.

[1:47:04] Something like that.

[1:47:05] Okay.

[1:47:07] You inserted it when you bought it.

[1:47:10] Do you think you were able to develop layout that didn't respond to current technologies

[1:47:19] and standards and abilities to build a home that's safe and held it on.

[1:47:25] I think number two is the-

[1:47:30] Is the condition that steered Brittany and I away from this to begin with was

[1:47:35] was that a strict reading and interpretation of that is like you said, Ken, it means we never ever grant one, right?

[1:47:48] So thank you for the brainstorming session.

[1:47:54] Usually we're an applicant and we have standards that we meet and show that we met.

[1:47:59] And this is a different opportunity for me to brainstorm and

[1:48:02] problems, all for you guys.

[1:48:06] So I think possibly, you know, we'll talk with Brittany and obviously the owner of

[1:48:13] the property and their representatives, but it sounds like the best path forward would

[1:48:19] be a variance application at this point and that would be the preferred.

[1:48:24] You guys would rather review a variance application than a text amendment application.

[1:48:39] I would prefer to have a narrow focus than a parade of horrors.

[1:48:45] And pretty with you.

[1:48:46] Yeah.

[1:48:46] A little research on the U.S. State Building Code says 3 feet apart.

[1:48:49] Yes.

[1:48:50] What is required when you do that?

[1:48:54] Yeah.

[1:48:54] Is there something in the IRC that makes you do, even with single family residents?

[1:48:58] Yeah.

[1:48:59] You know, the construct abilities, right?

[1:49:00] I will talk with friend and yes.

[1:49:02] Yeah.

[1:49:02] About that.

[1:49:04] For the commission, would you like to see a design review in front of you coupled with

[1:49:08] the variance, or would you like to see a variance so that then the applicant can follow

[1:49:11] up with an administrative design review?

[1:49:14] No, okay.

[1:49:15] Okay.

[1:49:15] Bring it here.

[1:49:16] Okay.

[1:49:16] To get back in here.

[1:49:17] Because that allows us to make the final move.

[1:49:22] That's what will happen.

[1:49:23] So there's a motion here, right?

[1:49:25] On the table.

[1:49:26] And we're actually going to do my doing a text in there.

[1:49:30] Do you have to see a motion here?

[1:49:32] Well, I think the discussion on the right was this a public hearing to yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's also a public hearing this public hearing. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I know. I know. I'm comfortable with this part. This part I know.

[1:49:49] I'll open the public hearing at this time.

[1:49:52] Anyone online, Brittany?

[1:49:55] Our commissioner.

[1:49:57] No.

[1:49:59] Hey, do you have a-

[1:50:00] Anything to say, Joe? I do not. I was well covered. Good job. We try.

[1:50:08] Close the public hearing. This could just die for lack of a motion.

[1:50:16] Yeah, you could choose a table it, or you could choose to make a motion to determine that an application should not be brought forward to amend the development code. Or we could do that. What do they want to do then? What was that?

[1:50:29] I'm just kind of going off the text of the code, so it says commission shall review the request of public hearing and then determine if an application should be brought forward to amend the development code.

[1:50:41] So you could motion to say.

[1:50:42] I'd make a motion that the applicant not bring a text amendment change request board.

[1:50:47] I second all in favor. Hi. I got to carry unanimous. See you sometime in the future gentlemen.

[1:51:02] Okay. We have consented to two sets of meeting minutes from June 11 and July 6th of this year.

[1:51:16] Any

[1:51:17] I move to approve consent agenda.

[1:51:20] Second.

[1:51:21] All in favor?

[1:51:22] Aye.

[1:51:24] Consent agenda approved.

[1:51:26] Next meeting October 8th.

[1:51:29] What's attendance is in line?

[1:51:33] So October 8th, is it a long one?

[1:51:37] Let me double check, let me open up our docket.

[1:51:41] We're a little bit more on the agenda.

[1:51:42] I think that is on the docket than we have noted at the bottom there.

[1:51:46] Let's see.

[1:51:49] So we'll have the continuing or we'll have the refining of that for the Lane Ranch

[1:51:53] home.

[1:51:54] We will have the 702 Fairway She Shed project coming back to request another look by the

[1:52:05] commission related to the chimney and keeping the trees based on some other fire mitigation

[1:52:11] things I'd like to discuss.

[1:52:13] So, actually, I think that's it. I think it's just these two items for October. Yeah, so short meeting.

[1:52:18] Yeah, thank you.

[1:52:21] What are you doing? I'm not suspecting.

[1:52:25] Is there a wedding in your honeymoon on here?

[1:52:27] Yeah, sorry. That's just, this is our internal planning calendar for, yeah.

[1:52:33] I do have sunshine on here potentially. That's a whole nother discussion.

[1:52:39] But it sounds like it may not happen. I've been talking with the developer.

[1:52:42] or they might want to propose some changes to their existing design review approval.

[1:52:46] It would be super tight, I wouldn't even make it a little better.

[1:52:51] You know, something to that effect, so anyhow, but I don't think that's likely to happen,

[1:52:57] but I'd give the commission a giant heads up if they give me something by the 16th and we do put them on there.

[1:53:03] Since she's the big development phase.

[1:53:05] Three phases of the third and fourth phase or whatever it is.

[1:53:08] Yeah.

[1:53:08] I'll be here.

[1:53:09] As long as we're wrapped up by 1130.

[1:53:13] I have a flight to Vegas at one point.

[1:53:16] Is it the show?

[1:53:19] Not my nephew's 21st.

[1:53:20] Oh.

[1:53:22] Good luck.

[1:53:23] It's the second funky on the key weekend.

[1:53:25] Yeah.

[1:53:26] Okay.

[1:53:27] Motion to adjourned.

[1:53:28] Motion to adjourned.

[1:53:29] Second.

[1:53:30] All in favor.

[1:53:31] We are adjourned.

September 10, 2026 Planning & Zoning Meeting

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