[0:00] So we said we had to look for somewhere in the code to put the driveway provision for all the all dwelling types and ask around if we can move the driveway grade requirements to site plan review and remove it from this section. His response reply was, I don't see any reason why you couldn't make it applicable to all driveways. You would make it a general specification, not necessarily make it hard to site plan review since not all uses with driveways are subject to site plan review.

[0:29] So we'll just put it in the general provisions. All right.

[0:33] So you'll do that next time we're sitting in front of your computer.

[0:36] Sure.

[0:38] I know.

[0:39] I know we have S6.

[0:40] Yeah.

[0:40] What are you moving?

[0:41] Yeah.

[0:41] I'm going to have to plow through this because, you know, she's got it.

[0:45] You would not believe.

[0:47] And now she has.

[0:48] She has.

[0:49] I don't know what's going on.

[0:50] I don't think her.

[0:51] I'm in.

[0:52] I'm in.

[0:52] Thank you.

[0:54] Right.

[0:56] Oh, we love Sheryl.

[0:58] No.

[1:00] Um.

[1:01] Anyway.

[1:03] So that would be in section 60.

[1:05] All right.

[1:05] So should I make a note that you're going to be able to remember to do that?

[1:09] And then we found, Lyndon, do you remember where that one little glitch was that we found

[1:15] when we were crude?

[1:16] So we just cruised.

[1:17] We had a lot done.

[1:21] And do you remember exactly where we stopped, Lyndon?

[1:25] And how would we get to it at this point because I know that we took out this thing about

[1:31] the horses.

[1:33] It makes no sense.

[1:34] And leave that one.

[1:36] We took out, you know, I press not.

[1:38] We kept reading it.

[1:40] We couldn't understand why they were distinguishing,

[1:43] that was like the same thing.

[1:45] Are we missing something?

[1:48] For forces that may be boarded in training

[1:51] that such properties shall not

[1:53] exceed one horse per acre for the first three acres.

[1:59] So that would be three horses,

[2:03] one horse per acre for the first three acres

[2:06] And then one more ever hikers subsequent to that what's what are what are we saying here on is that a weird way to say there has to be a minimum of three acres

[2:18] Anyways, we thought we should just take it out. It's yeah, that's fine.

[2:27] I'm good. It seemed weird. But I mean that's the kind of stuff like you know, so 15 is like Jesus

[2:37] And then there was also Linda, the other little thing you made a copy of where we were

[2:45] at

[2:51] in the driveway grade 70

[3:06] -H, 70, remember that before we weren't,

[3:17] which is now 70-G

[3:19] because like,

[3:24] okay, 70 E deleted and Guadalajara added to Community Views. Stop it.

[3:40] So Linda,

[3:41] since we can't do this the same way, right, we can't look at this up like on your computer when

[3:51] it tells you, you know, things that, how do we want to proceed here tonight? Like, what have you,

[3:56] I mean, should we just start?

[3:58] We're lending and I left off.

[4:00] What would you do if you were,

[4:03] if you didn't have to contend with everything?

[4:06] I would encourage you to make a motion

[4:07] to set it to Rome.

[4:09] Okay, well,

[4:11] well, I mean, we have to do one final proofread.

[4:14] I mean, wasn't that our idea that we should have him?

[4:17] That's kind of what we're doing now, I thought.

[4:19] Yeah, yeah.

[4:19] For the last two months anyways.

[4:21] Okay, all right, so my question is,

[4:24] So we sent it to Rob, he reviewed it, we got it back, we mulled over all the different things that he suggested, we got him all figured out as far as I know this is the last issue, the flag black question that we had.

[4:36] Why does it have to go back to him again?

[4:39] I would, we've made it up changes, I would send it back to him and let him cross reference everything to make sure from a zoning, looking at it from a zoning perspective that we didn't miss anything that we're not extending our reach.

[4:54] and that everything meshes together.

[4:58] And as it does, we set on the electronic burden.

[5:01] And you think that we made substantive changes

[5:03] in this last review that we got back from him?

[5:08] I think it should be faster than time.

[5:11] I was just going to sound just afraid it's going to get

[5:12] to walk down him again.

[5:14] I think it should be faster this time

[5:15] because last time we sent him a whole pile of paper

[5:19] and told him to put it together.

[5:21] And Linda, what about the pieces parts

[5:23] that you still have out that you said we still have to incorporate in. Linda has some printed papers

[5:29] that we just hadn't gotten around to things that we talked about. I guess that previous

[5:35] meetings, Linda, is that what those things are?

[5:39] But I can't hear maybe. I mean,

[5:54] I mean, I don't like that too.

[5:55] I mean, you know, even if it's, I mean, we did find it like we found one thing where

[5:59] it says F and there's like three words and there's the sentence was never completed.

[6:03] Oh, the septic.

[6:05] Remember?

[6:06] C-M.

[6:07] Right.

[6:07] But we just set it out.

[6:08] M.

[6:08] We just took it out.

[6:09] That was a weird thing.

[6:11] Right.

[6:11] But do you remember the pieces parts you had?

[6:13] You said you still have these written notes that you need to incorporate in and you had some

[6:18] printouts and we decided just to keep going so that we'd have some progress.

[6:23] Yeah.

[6:23] I can't, I can't remember best. Sorry. Okay. All right. All right. So, so, so if we were going to do that if we were just going to say let's send it on to Rob.

[6:34] What would you do about those pieces parts that haven't been inserted yet?

[6:38] I

[6:41] don't think we can send this to Rob right now because we haven't even finished. We haven't even gotten to the end in our just general fixing.

[6:47] So it's going to take a little while so as we're going through the and we have not compared

[6:53] the use table to the use to the use regulations. You still have to do that.

[7:01] And we'll have to change all those citations where it says, you know, it's in this section that remember we did one of those.

[7:08] We went back and checked to see what it said in the table abuses and it said a different.

[7:15] You mean, it's the numbering, was it?

[7:17] Right.

[7:18] But the numbering, I don't think we should do.

[7:20] I think that we should hire a company to do all that kind of cleanup, to do the final

[7:27] proofread.

[7:28] So when you talk about a section, you go, you make sure we're talking about the right section.

[7:32] Remember the thing I told my husband hired, this some PhD guy lives in India and paid him

[7:39] is some ridiculously small amount of money

[7:42] and he totally rewrote this whole thing for John.

[7:45] So I think there's millions of people online

[7:49] who do stuff like that.

[7:50] So I don't know, I mean, because we're gonna if Rob's

[7:54] from what's this whole thing together,

[7:56] it's gonna take a long time.

[7:58] It's gonna appear legal making $200 an hour.

[8:00] Yeah, it's gonna cost the fortune

[8:01] and a greater concern is it's gonna take that much longer.

[8:06] So why have we been killing ourselves doing this?

[8:10] Well, because I mean, if it comes, if we have some guy in India do it for us.

[8:15] Well, it comes by now, just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[8:18] And then it comes back to, when it comes back to us from there, then we can look at it and make sure everything warps.

[8:24] And that the things that we wanted in there are actually in there.

[8:28] All right, so I don't care to do it here.

[8:30] I think so. Yeah. Let.

[8:32] Send it to Rob, let Rob look at it from a zoning perspective.

[8:37] And then once we're good with that, send it to.

[8:41] So what are you just saying?

[8:43] Yeah.

[8:44] Are you sure anything all logistically fits together?

[8:46] Okay.

[8:48] All right.

[8:49] And what about the use table versus use regulations?

[8:53] Well, that's what I was just talking about.

[8:54] You said you don't think we should do that.

[8:56] But I think that we need.

[8:57] I think that we should, I think that we should go through the use regulations, make sure

[9:04] the uses are correct that we haven't changed, you know, sometimes we're changing things,

[9:10] the names of things, or you know, where they could be, whether they need to be on a highway,

[9:15] or they could be on a local road, or whatever. So we had a lot of, I mean, that, all this stuff,

[9:24] So you're not just talking about numbering being on.

[9:27] You're actually talking about language that we've changed.

[9:30] Yes.

[9:31] All right.

[9:31] Yes.

[9:32] And how many patients is a use table?

[9:34] Four.

[9:35] And that doesn't mean it's not something else.

[9:37] One, two.

[9:38] All right.

[9:38] So should we get together one more time in front of your computer and go through the use table

[9:42] and make sure my computer's working tomorrow?

[9:48] No.

[9:49] And then the salvation of eternal contact.

[9:50] I've got to say.

[9:51] And then I can't come home because I'm going to be showing my house.

[9:55] That's right.

[9:56] Okay.

[9:56] All right.

[9:57] So soon.

[10:00] So we'll go through the use table one more time.

[10:02] Make sure and jot it.

[10:03] Send it to Rob.

[10:04] You do all the final revisions.

[10:07] The update.

[10:08] Put all the updates in there.

[10:09] We send that to Rob.

[10:11] Rob gives it a one.

[10:13] So we'll do our last little.

[10:15] We'll take it through the end.

[10:16] The grammatical cleanup that we're doing right now.

[10:19] Just the little stuff.

[10:20] Didn't I send it to you?

[10:21] do we work on it? No, I didn't because I wasn't finished with that. Because I know we still

[10:26] left some red notes in there. One of them was this driveway thing. We left still left

[10:32] that red note in there. One of them was the whole section and we wondered if we deleted it.

[10:39] I just read that we did delete it.

[10:45] So you think that we can get you where you want to be to

[10:48] send this off, but we sit down one more time together and we're on it, maybe two, two more

[10:54] times.

[10:54] How long have you been sitting together?

[10:56] The speedful pre-informed.

[10:58] How many hours have it flipped?

[11:00] We don't last long.

[11:01] We do it like an hour, hour and a half, you know, just, and you know, you know, you're

[11:06] going to have to go through it, you know, it just gets too much.

[11:10] And we're jazzed.

[11:11] It's afraid of my cat, so.

[11:12] Well, and, you know, what you're just doing is, you know, let them through and why did we

[11:15] do that?

[11:15] It is weird to me.

[11:18] So we had, like, these notes from 2021, like I can't remember what happened the day before yesterday and with the more we talk about it, all of a sudden I remember us talking about this thing in 2021 and all of a sudden I was just ridiculous.

[11:31] That's why we took all this stuff out. It was like it may need to have hope for my brain, but still.

[11:38] It's kind of the more you remember, the more I remember.

[11:41] So, yeah.

[11:42] All right, all right.

[11:43] Well, so Linda, let's make a commitment here in the next very short little while while you're

[11:48] between your packing and your entire life being turned upside down.

[11:51] You spend time on this because this is more important.

[11:57] Because we want you to get this done.

[11:59] Well, we need you.

[12:00] I'm just, I just thought of you not being here and then somebody else trying to figure out how to do what you do.

[12:05] which is, you may say, spend through four different

[12:11] frameworks. It is unbelievable what she has accessed.

[12:15] All of which, you get some paper out of a file. It's just,

[12:20] yes, so we don't have to, yeah, we're in an asshole.

[12:23] And again, that would be great. All right, so I mean,

[12:25] I'll put it away. Our job is done.

[12:28] All right, I'm going to wish you what I would, what could we do?

[12:30] That would be productive and be helpful, right?

[12:32] No.

[12:38] Yeah, I'm lady. Yeah, I mean,

[12:45] it's funny. The young, the young, the young. He's the youngster. He's, yes, the youngster.

[12:50] That's, he's by much. That's he just handed a bird's day.

[12:53] Am I by much? You're, you're 30 something.

[12:58] Beforety, a few weeks. Yeah, we're almost twice as old as you want.

[13:03] It'll be 40 and a few weeks. I can just not pull it. Probably work.

[13:10] That's what I feel like your life is like. That's why I was so happy to see that you could

[13:13] walk down the road with your wife and just like take a breath. It's nice. Um,

[13:22] all right. Well,

[13:24] Perry's out of it. Perry's, you know, Perry's Perry's got a lot on his life right now. Yeah.

[13:29] I told him yesterday I talked to him. I told him I said, don't worry about it. Just focus on Susan

[13:34] when she's back on her feet. We'll still be here. Yeah.

[13:40] Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it's hard.

[13:41] like it was it I mean you know Perry's new and you know this is all Greek and Hannah's you

[13:46] know that same level so I think yeah you know I'm deferring to you guys as being as you know I'm

[13:52] having the deputy read what's going on here so no I am overall I'm ready to send this to Row

[14:03] okay let's just clean that let's just clean it up a little bit and then we can be sent in.

[14:06] And we've fixed some last year, we've fixed some language, but we really haven't changed

[14:11] like the meat, the heart of the document.

[14:15] Right.

[14:16] And when Betsy and I go through and make these little changes, it's not changing any of

[14:19] the intent of the zoning.

[14:21] I'm not too worried about you two being together and meeting.

[14:24] Yeah, no, we're not doing, we are doing absolutely nothing, so we're making, you know, sentences

[14:31] run more smoothly, but we're not changing the meaning or the definition or the intent of

[14:35] anything, right? No. Shao. Yeah. Computers AI keeps wanting to say should, which is

[14:42] different from Shao. All right. Should have suggested Shao as he will. All right.

[14:54] Hey, you guys,

[14:55] why is the paper just sitting up on the road? Yeah. Right now.

[15:00] I don't care. Shouldn't I mean to read up or put in like the right should be loved or something? It should be. They put the, they put the base course down. Right. And he wanted to put the top the following week, but I think he's been waiting on whether. Well, this week he's been busy fixing all the problems from last week. From the rain. Well, I can,

[15:33] I can do just go through and continue to do my little fixes.

[15:37] You know, should I just, should we just go to your house right now?

[15:40] We were going to be here till age.

[15:41] We were gone for an hour at your house, I mean, an hour or less to do another day.

[15:46] And can you folks hear me?

[15:48] Yeah, if you can.

[15:49] Okay, when was the last update that's available on the Internet?

[15:57] It's posted now.

[15:58] It's through, it's the changes that we made through June 15th.

[16:02] Okay.

[16:03] Okay. The other question I had was, have you amended the purposes to include preservation

[16:09] of property values?

[16:15] That's in the enabling legislation.

[16:19] Well, Barbara, there's going to be an opportunity once this gets the final attorney review,

[16:24] then the final thing is that final step would be public review. So then you'll have the actual

[16:31] document in its, you know, one of its final versions, yeah, proposed, proposed. Right. So, so if there's

[16:42] language at that point that you that you, you know, want to see added, then we can talk about it

[16:47] when we're having a public hearing. But we'll look for it just to see. And the other question I had

[16:53] has to do with the auxiliary buildings which was passed before this review because I asked

[17:09] the question at the last meeting that I attended as to whether or not that legislation excluded

[17:18] the mobile homes from being used as accessory buildings.

[17:25] I believe it does.

[17:26] Yeah, I think it does.

[17:26] It does not.

[17:27] I looked at it.

[17:29] It does not.

[17:32] It's loosely.

[17:33] I think that we think.

[17:35] I think that the holdover law says you can't just pop a trailer down anywhere.

[17:41] That's an agricultural place.

[17:42] But the actual town law that you passed does not indicate that mobile homes are

[17:49] excluded.

[18:05] Yeah,

[18:22] that mentioned a second

[18:23] value is that we're not responsible for

[18:25] provisions of a good city and

[18:26] sanitation. So it's easy either an

[18:28] existing single family dwelling or in a

[18:30] separate accessory structure on the

[18:32] same one as the existing single and

[18:34] dwelling. So how do we define accessory

[18:36] structures? That's a structure. That's

[18:38] not a frail. Well,

[18:43] I don't care how you

[18:45] fix it, but as a real estate broker I

[18:48] can tell you that if somebody moves a

[18:50] mobile home into the house across the street from me, it's going to hurt my property values

[18:56] substantially because the presence of a mobile home is something that is personal property

[19:03] rather than real property and because it's personal property, when it comes to an appraisal

[19:09] on my house, neighborhood is considered inferior. That could cost you 20% on an appraisal.

[19:20] So we get to say dwelling, it says accessory dwelling, right?

[19:23] So the terms dwelling, same family dwelling, two family dwelling and multi-family structure

[19:27] shall not be deemed to include temporary living quarters such as a hotel motel boarding

[19:32] house, motorbomb, or other accommodations, which is the transient dwelling as that doesn't

[19:36] happen.

[19:38] It's just a definition, a second dwelling unit with provisions for cooking, or in a separate

[19:45] accessories and structure. As I said, it's not there.

[20:09] You see, I've entered up great, but I'm all out of this.

[20:14] All

[20:18] you have to do is insert it in the new code as an amendment to the original legislation.

[20:25] Because you're creating law if you've discovered that something in the old zoning is not what you want

[20:31] now, you're amending it with the new zoning. So if you've got something on the books for

[20:37] the town that needs to be included in zoning you have the ability to amend and

[21:01] we're sure that we

[21:02] want to prohibit I mean I hear what Barbara's saying but I mean it you know I have a disconnect here

[21:09] okay there are people that you folks depend on to get elected in this town who don't live here

[21:17] full-time. Who depend on you to preserve their property values in this document. For the

[21:24] absentee landowner property owner, that's their main concern. Do you honestly think they're

[21:30] going to vote for you if they find out that you don't care about that? No, I do. And, you know,

[21:37] I remember while we were, when we were still in the zoning mission, this was a big issue.

[21:47] This was a big issue that Moisha Blackman brought up and we really worked on it and I know

[21:52] that we put something in here about, you couldn't have a trailer on a lot by itself, except

[22:01] in graduate cultural use, but other than that, they had to be in a trailer park.

[22:08] Well, here's my question to you, so we use the ADU law that was sort of a boilerplate

[22:16] one that was adopted in many communities in Columbia County.

[22:22] Presumably, they didn't want to exclude mobile homes because part of this is to make affordable housing for people.

[22:28] right? That is the main intent of the ADU law. So by saying you can't have a mobile home,

[22:35] maybe we're shutting a bowl. But didn't our ADU law say something about using it, using a

[22:40] portion of the primary structure or an existing bar or garage? Well, you can put a new structure

[22:46] on to it. It's right here if you want. A structure.

[22:50] That's a structure, not a trailer. I mean, I don't

[22:53] I don't know if the trailer is considered structure.

[22:55] The trailer is considered structure.

[22:57] No, thank you.

[22:59] Do you understand my question, Barbara?

[23:01] I mean, maybe the idea is, I understand your point,

[23:05] but then there's also the point that the intent of this law was to enable affordable housing.

[23:11] So if you're saying you can't put a mobile phone on a piece of property,

[23:15] that might restrict a lot of people from being able to put up a second structure

[23:21] that would offer affordable housing to somebody, because the only thing they could afford

[23:26] would be a long haul.

[23:27] I will dry you people in the public hearing if you do not attend to preserving people's

[23:35] property values.

[23:37] Why?

[23:37] I hear what you're saying.

[23:39] No, you don't.

[23:40] You're not listening.

[23:42] What you're saying is it's a pipe dream.

[23:45] You're expecting somebody to put in utilities,

[23:51] septic improvements, all of the bells and whistles that take to get a building permit,

[23:57] but you're saying go ahead and pull in a 20-year-old trailer and park it on the property

[24:03] and call it an accessory structure. Good luck with the lawsuits, guys. Good luck.

[24:11] Barbara, Barbara, let's just talk. Don't go yell at me. We're talking, you know, we're

[24:17] thinking our way. That's it. You're not listening to me at all. I think you're not prioritizing

[24:22] what's important to people who depend on you to do good by them and preserve their property

[24:29] rights and property values. You understand what you're saying, Barbara. We understand

[24:32] what you're saying. We're trying to work it out. Right. But I mean, you're coming at this

[24:37] as a real estate broker, and your main interest from what you just said is the people that

[24:42] don't live here, that own property here and protecting their property values.

[24:47] I'm also thinking about the people that do live here and want to continue living here,

[24:52] and maybe this is a, I'm just kind of thinking about everybody that this would affect.

[24:58] I'm not necessarily saying I'm promoting the idea of a mobile home.

[25:02] I'm just wondering what the thought process was when this general boilerplate law was

[25:09] written, why they didn't specifically exclude mobile homes.

[25:12] There must have been a reason for an oversight.

[25:16] There is a provision in zoning, which says, now this is going back 25 years, but it's said

[25:23] that you either had to make provisions for a mobile home park in your

[25:30] accepted uses, or you had to make available the placement of a mobile home on a

[25:39] piece of property.

[25:42] But if you're going to prohibit

[25:47] mobile home parks and you're

[25:49] going to leave a loophole that somebody can put a trail around a piece of real

[25:54] property and then as a permanent structure and then add another one. That's where the problem

[26:01] comes up because then you've got a mobile home. And then add another one.

[26:09] You have many pieces

[26:11] of property in this town that have mobile homes on them. Right. Okay. Yeah. You add a second mobile

[26:18] home. Yeah. It becomes a mobile home park. Well, there's only there would only be two. You're only

[26:24] allowed one, that's my point. If you couldn't do it as an add-on to it, pre-existing mobile home

[26:35] lot, then once you get to two, it's a park.

[26:44] Where does it stop? You can only have one accessory

[26:47] structure that's habitable.

[26:50] All right.

[26:51] Isn't that what it say?

[26:52] You're only allowed one of you?

[26:53] Yeah.

[26:53] Well, even with everything with the

[26:56] manufacturing housing park development,

[26:57] parcel of land under single ownership,

[26:59] which has been planned and improved

[27:00] in place of more than two

[27:02] manufacturing houses and have manufactured

[27:03] houses.

[27:04] If you look at the first,

[27:06] I mean, trailer of the worship

[27:07] in the factory housing.

[27:15] And so we don't have any proof,

[27:17] except for salmon's park down here.

[27:22] and that's the only for all part of the end time.

[27:27] Where's our transfer?

[27:29] Sam, it's,

[27:43] I think we should, you think we should,

[27:45] but language and specifically that excludes a mobile home.

[27:49] When I get what Barbara's saying,

[27:51] but I don't, I'm not a rush to just exclude.

[27:56] Trying to find in here, I know we put it,

[28:00] the ADU had to be a certain size compared to the principal.

[28:03] I can't seem to find that number.

[28:06] Oh, nice one.

[28:21] An accessory drawing unit shall be subordinate

[28:22] to the principal drawing unit,

[28:24] and it shall contain less than half the total habitable area

[28:27] within the existing single family structure,

[28:29] or a maximum of 1,000 square feet, whichever is the number.

[28:33] Now, our friend up paragraph a dozen times,

[28:35] and it reads to me like we're talking about an existing structure

[28:40] that they're going to turn into a tool family.

[28:44] And accessory dwelling units shall be subordinate to the principal dwelling unit and shall contain less than half the total habitable area within the existing single family.

[28:55] Well, I think that's just semantics. I think it's just language. I think what I mean, the intent was that if you put an ADU on it has to be half the size of the existing phantom,

[29:06] a half the size or no more than a thousand square feet, which I was less. I think that

[29:12] was what we meant to write.

[29:14] Right. If that's what we meant to write, which I would agree with, that would prohibit

[29:19] a second mobile home for being put on a property that already has one.

[29:24] Yes. It's wide open, guys. It's open to interpretation the way it's written. And I have to tell

[29:31] you. We have an airport in the town. Let me complete the sentence please.

[29:39] Okay. I have an airport in the town because the regs and the

[29:45] supplementals did not mesh. They did not mesh, and if it was open to

[29:51] interpretation, the applicant gets the benefit of the debt.

[29:57] Okay, so if you raise track, I'm on the...

[30:00] Same basis. Okay. But here, Barbara, just let's let's go to what we're talking about right now. Okay. So I want a lot. It's got a mobile home on it. All right. I want to put another mobile home on the lot as an ABU. However, my that dwelling must be subordinate to my mobile home that's already on it. And it has to have half the habitable area of my existing mobile home.

[30:28] or be a maximum of 1,000 square feet.

[30:31] So I'd have to have a big...

[30:32] Trevor's last.

[30:34] What?

[30:34] Trevor's last.

[30:35] So I'd have to have a big old mobile home

[30:38] in order to put another one on there.

[30:40] Do you get it?

[30:43] So if you had a mobile home on your life,

[30:45] you couldn't just pull another mobile home up on there

[30:48] and call it an ADU.

[30:52] That's my problem with it is that it's ambiguous.

[30:57] And if you get ambiguous

[30:59] and you get into an approval situation,

[31:03] the applicant gets the benefit of the debt.

[31:06] But what's that mean?

[31:07] No, Barbara, you're not listening

[31:08] to what Betsy just said.

[31:10] It's crystal clear that ADU has to be subordinate

[31:14] and it can only be 50% the size of the principal.

[31:19] So if you have global home on the parcel,

[31:22] there's no way you can get a second mobile home

[31:24] because you won't reach.

[31:26] you'll be over that 50%. I understand what you're saying, but that's your

[31:33] interpretation without a restriction. But we're not saying otherwise it's ambiguous.

[31:40] It's a restriction. It's crystal clear. It cannot be more than 50%. I understand.

[31:47] That's not for interpretation. What do you do about a double-wide mobile home?

[31:53] That's

[31:56] the main fact house.

[31:58] A double e-mobile home according to the way you're interpreting it would allow another

[32:04] mobile home on the on the premises because double wide mobile homes have a tendency to

[32:10] be 2,000, 2,200 square feet.

[32:16] That's really that big.

[32:17] That's huge.

[32:19] Our house is 1,000 square.

[32:25] All right.

[32:26] Well, you know what?

[32:27] I don't want to get stuck on this right now, but we're making notes, okay?

[32:32] Don't be mad at me. We're just trying to figure it all out. We're all on the

[32:36] same side here Barbara. What

[32:57] else? What else you got? Is that at me? Yeah that's

[33:01] at you Barbara. Oh I'm sorry. Yes. So am I I'm looking at you right now? Is that

[33:05] what it looks like to you? Yeah. Okay because I keep looking at your face on the

[33:10] screen and that's what's confusing you. I'm sorry. So is there something else that you

[33:13] want to bring to our attention right now while we're all here together? I think you

[33:18] need to go over the purposes again. The purposes. Okay, so purposes and mobile homes specific

[33:25] on the ADU.

[33:47] But is that sweet? Which I'm moving. That was a brief sentence. That's

[33:53] research. Where

[34:12] it says on purposes to protect and promote public health, safety, comfort,

[34:17] convenience, economy, aesthetics, and general welfare for the filing purposes.

[34:27] Did you ever come

[34:27] up with illegal definition of climate change?

[34:36] I don't ask if you put one in there. I asked

[34:40] if you have a legal definition for it because I looked everywhere, EPA, New York State, no legal

[34:48] definition.

[34:52] Well, then if there's no legal definition, we can't possibly have a legal definition

[34:56] because that would become from law. And if you couldn't find it anywhere, how could we?

[35:02] I'm not asking you whether you find it. I'm asking you to take it out of purposes. It's a poison

[35:08] to pill because everybody's got a different interpretation of what it means, including neighbors

[35:13] that they've had experience with who think that climate change should rule when somebody buys a piece

[35:19] of property across the street and takes down a half a dozen trees to put in a driveway. That's climate

[35:25] change? No, it's not. It's so open, it's so wide open in terms of interpretation and add-ons

[35:36] that nobody can figure out what the real definition is. That's why it becomes a poison pill.

[35:43] So here's something about to maintain, so a purpose to maintain the integrity, stability,

[35:48] and beauty of the community in order to conserve and enhance the value of property

[35:52] on that part. Well, we were talking about purposes and Barbara wanted, you know, the property

[36:01] values to be of, and that's in, that's in our purposes. Section 10, yeah, Tennessee.

[36:14] You know, I don't mind climate change in there. Anyway, I'm

[37:00] seeing all kinds of definitions,

[37:01] legal definitions and climate change, you know, to be pretty bad. All right. So back to our

[37:07] our bank. Should we go and keep cruising through the, um, okay. I mean, you know, we, we just

[37:15] lost. You could say, um, should

[37:30] we, should we just go ahead and try to

[37:34] do a date between three of us and then just talk everybody else and come along for the ride

[37:39] or next get together. But we do have one on the bus already.

[37:48] What do you think of the artist?

[37:52] Three weeks.

[37:55] Oh yeah, all right.

[37:59] Oh yeah, all right.

[38:00] And that was the absolute earliest you had, right?

[38:04] Looking at it and see if there's any ways.

[38:08] I know one of those nights,

[38:11] I was just going to say,

[38:12] oh, you're just one of those.

[38:13] That's tonight.

[38:21] I know there was once that we were talking in Hannah couldn't make it, but hate

[38:29] to bump

[38:30] this out of them in three weeks, but we'd definitely be able to sit down in the next

[38:35] three weeks on Monday to get this little things wrapped up.

[38:39] Yeah, all right.

[38:40] Make better notes.

[38:41] I can do the 17th.

[38:44] The 17th of Monday?

[38:45] Monday.

[38:46] Okay.

[38:47] No way.

[38:48] That's probably why the the few dates I have open it just I just plan that I just so it wasn't that so I don't have to be here

[38:56] I mean we can't always all be here so if everybody else could be here Perry could be here. I mean that's a week.

[39:05] About the 10.

[39:08] We're ready here.

[39:09] Let's do the state.

[39:14] I'm fine with that. If you want to have the regular count board meeting, which has been

[39:18] running around an hour for the last few months, and then we just tack on another hour,

[39:23] you're zoning.

[39:26] Well, that was the pressure on us to try to do this stuff.

[39:30] That's up to you.

[39:31] All right. Well, why don't we, why don't we, maybe it's the aspiration about, how about Linda?

[39:36] Yes, I'm listening. I'm just looking. Okay. Well, let's just say today's the fifth and let's say let's

[39:41] Target seeing if we can get these last couple of things ready to present on the 10th after a good Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

[39:50] I don't know what's going on in any of those days in my life, but

[39:54] All right, aspirational no promises. I will call sending me relevant to those who aren't here.

[40:01] Okay. All right. Say it.

[40:03] Beth, you know, I try in our best to get this.

[40:06] Those last little things pretty or before we send it to Rob.

[40:11] It's still it's still too fragmented.

[40:12] It's still too broken up.

[40:14] You know, we've got pieces that.

[40:16] I think I put in all of these things that he wrote back with me changes.

[40:20] I think we did all right.

[40:21] But the other day when we met you had a little pile of papers and you said I still have to.

[40:26] I got a lot of, I got a firefighter, but I

[40:36] can't, I can't think of what specifically,

[40:40] oh, this was the thing between you and me back in the evening, these have changed

[40:44] into the rain.

[40:45] Oh, I think we did that in June, that's all I've been done in the June thing,

[40:52] yeah, I'll

[40:52] just figure it out.

[41:06] Can you do me a favor?

[41:08] Yep.

[41:08] So Tim, Tim Filmsy is in hospice and he's going fast and he's in this.

[41:19] I have parts that

[41:23] we were going to give him.

[41:24] Well, I did that.

[41:25] That we were going to give him.

[41:27] And I wanted everybody just to write a little something.

[41:30] You know, we were going to give it to him when we gave him the bench.

[41:34] And then we accelerated the bench so that it would be there for opening day.

[41:39] Susan, I

[41:42] was going to have you write something at, but she was like, you know, going with

[41:46] her for everything to get my fill in.

[41:49] The last thing I did was drop it in the bag.

[41:52] Oh, I'll get out of here this time.

[41:53] I'm going to send this.

[41:55] Let me just keep card back from the card, even as a little bench on it.

[41:59] I'll play

[42:09] in Barbara.

[42:11] Yes, I heard it.

[42:12] Okay, great.

[42:18] Well, I did.

[42:19] I just did a cursory review online and I saw a number of legal definitions for climate

[42:24] change.

[42:28] I'm just saying we

[42:41] need a motion to do it because I can make money right now. I have a motion

[42:46] for journalism. I second at 7.30. Good. Good. Good. Good. That's a minute for Cheryl for

[42:55] her minutes.

[43:01] Last Cheryl. I can do it. I can do it quick little synopsis if you want to.

[43:10] Yeah it's

[43:10] Pretty, pretty, good idea, pretty, pretty.

[43:19] Or if you adjourned, we'll see you Monday with Hope.

[43:27] With Hope.

[43:28] Have a good night, OK?

[43:30] Thank you.

[43:32] See you.

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