[0:00] members of the public

[0:01] it's great to see such a nice turnout

[0:03] for a special occasion for us um so

[0:05] we're here tonight to uh pay tribute to

[0:07] mr fred parker

[0:08] fred's contribution to the fire services

[0:10] has been significant and spans almost

[0:12] seven decades

[0:14] which i believe is probably never

[0:15] happened before

[0:17] uh my time with fred has been quite

[0:19] short due to my inception here not too

[0:21] long ago

[0:22] but he has actually been a quite an

[0:24] inspiration to me and he is the perfect

[0:26] example of dedication and commitment to

[0:28] service

[0:29] on behalf of student fire rescue i'd

[0:30] like to thank you for your service

[0:33] so i'll make some introductions now and

[0:35] before i do that i would also like to

[0:37] actually um recognize fred's lovely wife

[0:39] val she couldn't be here tonight she's a

[0:41] little bit under the weather but uh

[0:43] along with fred uh pursuing his career

[0:46] and being in it for such a long time

[0:48] he's obviously had the support of a

[0:49] loving wife so that's uh

[0:51] special in these circumstances and we

[0:53] appreciate her support as well thank you

[0:55] so tonight with me uh there's a few

[0:57] gentlemen that are going to say a few

[0:58] words um

[1:01] deputy chief matt barney just stand up

[1:03] matt please

[1:05] okay we have retired deputy chief rick

[1:08] mccloud please stand up please

[1:11] and we have the firefighters association

[1:13] president paul sutherland

[1:17] and before everybody sits down i would

[1:19] like

[1:19] retired fire marshal fred uh parker

[1:22] please stand up

[1:26] okay thank you fred okay i'll uh i'll

[1:29] pass it over to deputy chief party

[1:32] all right so yeah we'd just like to

[1:35] present and have an honor

[1:37] within our

[1:39] joining department

[1:39] parker

[4:27] okay thanks everybody um

[4:30] mayor tate want to say a few words

[4:31] please

[4:32] thank you thank you everyone and um on

[4:34] behalf of council in the district of

[4:36] sioux fred we do wish to extend our

[4:38] gratitude to your to yourself and to

[4:41] your family

[4:43] i have here a certificate for the 11

[4:45] years that you served with us but i know

[4:47] that you're obviously your history is so

[4:49] much longer than that and just thank you

[4:52] for being an inspiration and a mentor to

[4:54] many

[4:55] it seems though in suit that once you

[4:57] retire

[4:58] serving as a volunteer from one

[5:00] organization you'll soon have a few

[5:02] others waiting to scoop you up so

[5:04] excited to see what the next leg of your

[5:06] journey will lead to and no doubt you

[5:08] would um be welcome anywhere you went

[5:11] and be a leader and an inspiration to

[5:13] many and but of course if you just

[5:15] choose to enjoy time with your family

[5:17] i'm sure we could all respect that as

[5:19] well at least for a few days

[5:22] thank you everyone so that completes the

[9:41] presentation so

[9:44] if you would like to stay of course we'd

[9:46] love to have you

[9:48] however if you feel that you're here

[9:50] just for the presentation this might be

[9:52] a good time to exit

[9:56] thank you

[10:30] okay thanks everyone

[10:33] okay turning back to

[10:34] our agenda tonight our next delegation

[10:37] is item 5.2 and this is our building

[10:40] permit process and tonight we welcome a

[10:42] presentation from mr herb haldane so mr

[10:46] haldane if you could please come up

[10:48] you'll just need to turn on the

[10:50] microphone

[10:51] and when you begin your presentation

[10:53] we'll begin the timer and you have five

[10:55] minutes

[11:15] we'll just see if we can fix it so that

[11:17] the folks viewing from home can hear you

[12:00] i see

[12:20] yes

[12:23] [Music]

[12:46] sorry about that everyone just a small

[12:48] technical

[12:49] challenge here that's okay

[12:51] all right go ahead mr hellman

[12:54] uh yeah hello um herb haldane 3118

[12:58] c otter point road

[13:00] um the reason i came here tonight i

[13:02] guess originally i was gonna go over a

[13:04] bunch of the particulars on what i like

[13:06] didn't like and

[13:08] what other people have mentioned to me

[13:09] about what's

[13:11] poor about the process and stuff but

[13:13] i think at this point more importantly

[13:15] what i need to do is to come up with a

[13:17] solution to how we can get where we need

[13:18] to get on both sides

[13:20] you guys have a provincial mandate to

[13:22] come up with more housing to try and

[13:24] streamline systems in development and in

[13:27] building permit process

[13:28] and i'd like to be a part of how we can

[13:30] maybe make that work so rather than this

[13:32] be about criticizing and coming up with

[13:35] who did what who could do something

[13:36] better worse or otherwise

[13:38] i think my proposal here would be to

[13:40] come up with a committee structure with

[13:42] a couple of counselors

[13:44] people in the industry and then some

[13:46] staff members of course

[13:48] and then you could basically put your

[13:49] heads together in what's worked in the

[13:51] past

[13:51] i mean i built my first house in 1989

[13:54] and then i'm still doing it today

[13:57] so

[13:57] having experience in how we got there

[13:59] back then all the way to how we're not

[14:01] getting there now and whether it's 40

[14:04] days two and a half months which was my

[14:05] last permit or whether it takes three

[14:07] months or so on we have to come to a to

[14:10] a an idea process and how we can make

[14:12] that work better and the only way we do

[14:14] that is if we put our heads together

[14:15] rather than

[14:16] us you know adversarially go at each

[14:19] other whose fault it is or who made it

[14:21] work poorly or whatnot we've got a bunch

[14:24] of new staff and we've had staff turn

[14:26] over over the years here and every time

[14:28] we do get new people in some think they

[14:30] have a better idea of how to make some

[14:32] stuff work or not but we have had stuff

[14:34] work in the past really well

[14:37] in some cases and stuff worked poorly in

[14:39] the past in some cases so i think if we

[14:41] put our heads together with some new

[14:42] people new ideas i think we could

[14:44] probably get to where we need to go i've

[14:46] met most of the staff we've all talked

[14:49] on different levels i've met maya now

[14:51] for coffee quite a few times to go over

[14:53] some of the issues that i've been having

[14:55] and basically come to the realization

[14:57] that

[14:58] adversarially doesn't make anything work

[15:00] and we can keep splitting up our town

[15:02] over ideas and how we can fix stuff and

[15:06] if one side stands their ground the

[15:08] other side fights them on it and we have

[15:09] another election we turn over new people

[15:10] we can go back and forth for years but i

[15:13] just as soon come up with some solutions

[15:15] that we can work in a bipartisan way

[15:17] here so we can start getting something

[15:19] done if the province pushes their weight

[15:22] and makes us do it a different way then

[15:24] we won't have any choices so if we show

[15:26] the maturity here and make it work

[15:28] especially as a group as a small town

[15:30] maybe we can come to conclusion and make

[15:33] this take two weeks or three weeks or

[15:35] something reasonable for everybody and

[15:37] maybe we can get some housing out of it

[15:39] the big thing to remember is this is

[15:41] single-family homes part nine of the

[15:43] building code it's not engineers it's

[15:45] not

[15:46] multi-family and it's not commercial

[15:48] it's just part nine single-family homes

[15:50] and some have suites and so on but you

[15:53] know if we can get to a place where we

[15:55] can get people into rental housing for

[15:56] reasonable and we can start getting

[15:58] people into

[15:59] to for sale housing for a reasonable

[16:01] amount of money and i don't expect

[16:03] everybody knows how to make that work or

[16:05] not but

[16:06] according to the national stuff that

[16:08] i've been reading it's a canadian

[16:10] problem it's not just a sig problem it's

[16:11] not just langford problem so it's right

[16:14] across the country even in nova scotia

[16:15] and places like that they're having

[16:17] housing problems for fighting rent

[16:19] problems so those were the places we

[16:20] thought we could go for cheaper housing

[16:22] for retirement and stuff like that well

[16:24] that's not happening anymore there

[16:25] either so

[16:26] um i'd like to be on the committee if we

[16:28] could set something up i mean that's up

[16:30] to you guys to decide whether you're

[16:31] interested in something like that but i

[16:33] think it's a good opportunity for staff

[16:35] to get to know some of the development

[16:36] community some of the counselors to get

[16:38] to know some of the development

[16:39] community and then we can all work

[16:41] together at a solution

[16:42] keep in mind

[16:44] development brings in a lot of money to

[16:45] the community so if you want stuff paid

[16:48] for in that we have to find a way to

[16:50] work with them because we're going to

[16:51] have a lot of expectations coming up in

[16:53] the future because

[16:54] the one thing to stop traffic from going

[16:55] into langford in this town is to start

[16:57] getting some stuff in our own town we

[16:58] need a movie theater here for kids and

[17:00] for adults and stuff we need another

[17:03] sheet of ice we need more sports fields

[17:05] we need a lot of stuff so

[17:06] the only way we're going to make that

[17:07] happen is if we come together so

[17:10] that's about it

[17:12] thank you mr haldane i see some members

[17:14] of council have some questions so if you

[17:16] don't mind just no you know for a bit

[17:19] we'll see councillor betos

[17:20] yeah i guess uh i find this extremely

[17:23] frustrating because it was three years

[17:24] ago you came to us with the similar uh

[17:28] problems

[17:29] and uh we had the mayor uh council

[17:32] logins and myself and all the

[17:34] contractors around up here

[17:37] with staff and we hashed out a two to

[17:39] three week period for permits correct

[17:42] that was three years ago and it's gone

[17:44] from so and what went wrong in those

[17:47] three years because i thought we had

[17:48] this almost licked that

[17:50] well i think what happens is when you

[17:52] get

[17:52] again you get new people and it's not

[17:54] that they're not experienced or who

[17:56] knows where they come from the

[17:57] experience is different so you got other

[17:59] people doing different jobs and maybe

[18:01] people are adapting to new jobs when

[18:03] they get here so there's a bit of a

[18:05] learning curve with it

[18:06] i always talk and you probably heard me

[18:08] in the paper it's a micromanagement

[18:09] situation as far as i'm concerned and

[18:11] the only reason i say that is because i

[18:14] know how commercial's done i've been

[18:15] involved in it before and i know how

[18:16] multi-family's done and we're using the

[18:18] multi-family in the commercial way in

[18:21] order to deal with part nine

[18:22] single-family homes when you get to the

[18:24] property line

[18:26] everything passed there's the building

[18:27] department it's part nine tony and brad

[18:29] are quite capable of coming on the

[18:31] property and telling you whether those

[18:32] drains are hooked up properly telling

[18:34] you whether or not that foundation is on

[18:36] solid ground telling you whether or not

[18:38] it follows the building code and that's

[18:40] all that anybody asked for in single

[18:41] family when you get into commercial and

[18:44] and into multi-family there's

[18:46] expectations of engineering and

[18:48] geotechnical architects are involved

[18:50] there's a whole litany of things and i

[18:52] guess the point i'm trying to make is

[18:54] that three years ago we were on that

[18:57] right track and for at some point after

[19:00] that it must have worked because i i

[19:01] didn't hear anything from you in the

[19:03] first year or so so was it sort of

[19:05] corrected at that it did it corrected

[19:07] for for a period of time okay i mean to

[19:10] give you an example back in 2013

[19:13] we went to a 48-hour building permit and

[19:15] to give you an idea how that worked and

[19:17] this is what langford does and not that

[19:19] langford has the only solution but

[19:20] callwood does it too but they take

[19:22] longer but the thing is you can give a

[19:25] checklist and that checklist is checked

[19:27] off and those builders get to go and

[19:29] they start the permit you've got three

[19:31] months or two months before you're even

[19:33] going to get to a framing stage where

[19:34] you need the guys to come in and do your

[19:36] framing inspection last two months that

[19:38] staff would have time to go over all the

[19:40] details to make sure all those ducks are

[19:42] in order and those boxes that were

[19:44] checked off are correct

[19:45] if they're not correct then the whole

[19:47] project stops stops like a buck watch

[19:49] and that's based on what the builder

[19:51] brought to the table so if they're short

[19:53] if they didn't have the proper

[19:55] um trusses they don't have the proper

[19:57] building materials in the proper drains

[19:59] and electrical and plumbing and stuff

[20:00] like that and this isn't done to code

[20:02] then it stops until it's all taken care

[20:04] of

[20:05] so that's why they can push it further

[20:06] in language still gives staff the

[20:08] opportunity to look at the whole thing

[20:09] and they can go through all of it

[20:12] but what you do is you check off the

[20:13] boxes the problem is right now we don't

[20:14] have all the boxes

[20:16] so when i applied for the recent

[20:18] building permit they do have some stuff

[20:20] in the building department you check off

[20:22] and all that stuff's handed in before

[20:23] they'll even take your permit well then

[20:26] engineering planning environmental stuff

[20:28] they come up with some other stuff it's

[20:30] almost like a referral process for

[20:31] single-family homes and it shouldn't be

[20:33] happening that way referral process is

[20:35] done during the rezone stage then again

[20:37] during the development permit stage so

[20:39] there should be no reason to have to do

[20:40] it once you get to the building of the

[20:42] actual house the subdivisions are passed

[20:44] subdivided registered and everything

[20:46] should be done properly up to that point

[20:48] if they're not it shouldn't be a

[20:50] a builder or somebody who bought the lot

[20:52] for their own single family purpose it's

[20:54] not their responsibility it's a

[20:56] responsibility of

[20:58] let's say the engineering department or

[21:00] planning department to deal with the

[21:02] person who did the subdivision to

[21:03] correct whatever mistakes are made it

[21:05] shouldn't be up to the builder but

[21:06] that's what's holding up some of these

[21:07] permits because sometimes subdivisions

[21:09] will go through

[21:12] their registration everything else and

[21:14] in the case the last one we were doing

[21:16] they were missing a

[21:17] water meter box because it was a duplex

[21:19] instead of a single family and there was

[21:21] an expectation of a bigger

[21:23] pipe for the load for the sewer on the

[21:26] way out but you know when you're

[21:27] purchasing a duplex lot you're assuming

[21:29] that once the district has let it allow

[21:32] i don't want to cut you off but i i i

[21:34] get you i get your point and uh and i

[21:36] thank you for bringing that in because

[21:38] it's uh i think it's pretty frustrating

[21:40] for all of us to to hear that and i just

[21:42] had a

[21:43] talk to a friend on the weekend and she

[21:45] was remodeling a kitchen and the builder

[21:48] that came in he wasn't even a soup

[21:50] builder

[21:51] said don't alter anything on the outside

[21:53] because it's three months to get a

[21:54] permit

[21:55] and that's going to our citizens and uh

[21:58] that really really disturbs me so there

[22:00] is something broken here and it's

[22:02] something needs to be fixed so

[22:04] we need to get our heads together

[22:05] collectively and get on with this

[22:07] because it's been going on

[22:10] before even i became a counselor because

[22:12] i had problems with that same thing it

[22:14] is a problem we need to get it fixed and

[22:17] we're we're listening we hear you

[22:20] thank you councillor betos councillor

[22:21] bateman

[22:22] yeah i'd agree with councillor bettos um

[22:25] it's a problem that needs fixing of

[22:26] course it is a

[22:28] problem that dates back at least to 2012

[22:31] from the launch of your land use and

[22:33] environment committee back then

[22:34] um

[22:35] to your idea of a committee i think

[22:37] that's a great idea perhaps a task force

[22:39] might be best

[22:41] situated

[22:42] short-term

[22:44] work with staff given that we have this

[22:46] incoming

[22:47] grant

[22:50] for

[22:50] to streamline the system and we're

[22:53] looking at a september

[22:55] 2023 next year to implement the system

[22:58] and

[22:58] undoubtedly the expertise of the

[23:00] building community is needed to

[23:02] participate in that process so i would

[23:05] think a task force would be a good

[23:08] logical

[23:09] way to move forward with that

[23:12] um

[23:13] i think

[23:14] you know i'd like to just

[23:16] note that in our strategic plan

[23:18] back in 2019 we did cite as one of the

[23:22] top priorities is improve efficiency and

[23:24] staffing capacity of the building permit

[23:27] department and we then then went about

[23:30] and this followed the hiring of a chief

[23:32] administrative officer a key

[23:34] the key position in this staff

[23:38] operation uh the hire of a chief

[23:40] building official

[23:41] um

[23:42] a new building bylaw and the improvement

[23:45] of permitting times and we've done those

[23:46] three things

[23:48] um there were a series of

[23:51] steps to get there

[23:54] um

[23:59] we're looking at

[24:02] we did introduce a new application form

[24:04] and checklist

[24:06] in consultation with the building

[24:07] committee and that was summer of 2019

[24:10] that did reduce the time lag for the

[24:12] average low density residential permit

[24:16] by about 30 approximately

[24:19] um

[24:21] and now we've we've gone through uh with

[24:23] the new building code and now this

[24:26] project grant and of course the other

[24:28] week the approval of new staff to help

[24:31] uh facilitate the process

[24:33] i'm curious about uh this 48 48-hour um

[24:37] building permit and and i referred to it

[24:39] as a bit of an urban myth the other week

[24:41] and i just

[24:43] i i look at langford's 48-hour

[24:46] two-day building permit checklist and

[24:49] all required documents must be included

[24:51] in the submitted application package to

[24:53] qualify

[24:54] and then there's a long checklist here

[24:57] of

[24:58] about i don't know 20 items that

[25:02] so i think i suspect that their two-day

[25:04] checklist is preceded by a a good i

[25:08] don't know how long

[25:09] um to get there now you note that um

[25:13] i think in your

[25:14] the letter you submitted tonight

[25:18] um

[25:18] [Music]

[25:20] sorry i received that quite late in the

[25:22] day

[25:23] where is this

[25:29] yeah you refer to many municipalities

[25:32] building permits are processed in a few

[25:33] days now

[25:35] could you cite those municipalities so

[25:37] that we have an idea of who we should be

[25:39] emulating well i don't work in i mean

[25:41] basically i only work in suk anymore i

[25:43] used to work in oak bay and victoria and

[25:45] saanich and so on

[25:47] so i'm not necessarily able to tell you

[25:50] exactly how many days each one is other

[25:51] than langford because in langford at

[25:54] this point here i do lend uh help to

[25:56] some people who are building a language

[25:58] detached suites and otherwise

[26:00] it's like i was saying there a minute

[26:01] ago the whole idea behind any short

[26:04] process and don't get me wrong it's not

[26:06] about trying to skirt the system so that

[26:08] you can do stuff without having any

[26:11] oversight the whole idea is to getting

[26:13] all your legals in order and and even a

[26:15] geotechnical report say so you can start

[26:18] building a foundation

[26:19] because really at this point unless the

[26:22] uh tony or brad go there they're allowed

[26:24] to decide whether the ground conditions

[26:26] are conducive to building a house but if

[26:28] you get a geotechnical report then it's

[26:30] taken care of some liabilities off the

[26:32] district or anybody else in case you

[26:34] wanted to start building a house there's

[26:35] still what langford does there's still a

[26:37] process of going through all the

[26:39] applications and it does take a month

[26:41] and sometimes probably even two months

[26:43] but most of those applications take

[26:45] between uh building the foundation and

[26:47] doing the framing you don't really need

[26:49] to get to that point until you're at

[26:51] lock up so so they do have time to go

[26:53] through a lot of the stuff what they try

[26:55] to do is they try to get rid of the

[26:57] starting gate and get them going first

[26:58] and then they go through the

[27:00] applications and

[27:01] 99 percent of the time they don't find

[27:03] anything or anything wrong with it i

[27:05] mean i think the biggest thing they run

[27:07] into sometimes is an environmental issue

[27:09] with regard to uh riparian setbacks or

[27:12] stuns but

[27:14] other than that everybody i mean there's

[27:16] a 10-year home warranty from all these

[27:17] guys so the last thing you need is

[27:20] issues that show up because you're

[27:21] personally liable it's not like your

[27:23] company can go bankrupt you can start

[27:24] all over again tomorrow you have to take

[27:26] that liability right right with you to

[27:28] your own home to your own bank account

[27:30] so there's not too many guys around who

[27:32] want to try and you know put themselves

[27:34] in a compromising situation by doing

[27:36] anything wrong and none of the the

[27:39] trades the reason they found that

[27:40] building in langford there the one that

[27:42] they're having issues with the trades

[27:44] the trades came through and said hey you

[27:45] need twice as much steel in this

[27:47] building that we're putting in it was

[27:48] actually the architect was at fault so

[27:50] you got trades guys who are saying hey

[27:52] we should be building this better

[27:53] different to a higher standard and the

[27:55] other ones who picked up on it and

[27:56] that's how the whole thing started

[27:58] to come out the way it was so

[28:00] my point is even in my situation i've

[28:02] got framers drywallers and and

[28:05] electricians and plumbers and stuff who

[28:06] are saying no we have to follow this

[28:08] line of the code even if you want to try

[28:10] and maybe make a bathroom fit or

[28:12] something you didn't quite end up with

[28:13] enough room because some wall had to

[28:14] move whatever they tell you no you have

[28:16] to do this way there's concrete poured

[28:18] in all the garage walls to cover any of

[28:20] the wires now they go right to the panel

[28:22] boxes there guys were skipping out on

[28:24] that for a few years until

[28:26] inspectors were coming around tapping on

[28:27] walls and stuff there is an electrician

[28:28] that i know around who won't make you

[28:30] put that concrete in before he lets you

[28:32] put the drive over now it won't give you

[28:33] the certification paper you need well mr

[28:35] holding i have to say that i'm out of my

[28:37] depth here completely completely so this

[28:40] is why a task force makes some sense i

[28:42] mean in 2018 a very short term land use

[28:46] and development committee was formed and

[28:48] i believe you were on that committee

[28:50] berger randy clarkson and others yeah

[28:53] and in the in that year you

[28:56] there were a number of important

[28:58] recommendations made for the building

[29:00] code which were in fact implemented into

[29:02] the model bc building code or mibc

[29:07] building code that we've adopted so yeah

[29:10] i would i would think a task force would

[29:12] make some good sense well and a guy like

[29:14] randy clarkson i mean

[29:16] i don't know if don't if you've met him

[29:17] or not whatever but he's got so much

[29:18] experience he was a builder a bricklayer

[29:20] you know so he's a tradesperson and now

[29:22] he's been doing plans for probably 30 35

[29:25] years

[29:26] so he knows all the players he knows

[29:29] dozens of engineers dozens of architects

[29:32] and stuff like that he's just a great

[29:33] guy to have a community and

[29:34] don't kid yourself i learn all the time

[29:36] whether i'm learning even from your own

[29:38] staff and things like the rules change

[29:40] you don't always pay attention so i

[29:41] think between

[29:42] three different you know walks of life

[29:45] here all joining into the same thing

[29:47] people like yourselves

[29:49] your staff you've got a very capable

[29:51] staff here we all need to learn from

[29:53] each other and there's some experience

[29:54] and yeah i talked with norm not too long

[29:56] ago and i said you know maybe a little

[29:57] bit more negotiation and that doesn't

[29:59] always go over that well when you talk

[30:00] negotiation because everybody always

[30:02] assumes that nothing's in stone i mean

[30:04] your bylaws say specific things and

[30:06] rules say specifics but i think

[30:08] negotiation is a term should be used to

[30:10] come down to find out where the common

[30:12] ground is so everybody knows because

[30:14] i'm sure i learned from them but i'm

[30:15] sure they can learn from from the trades

[30:17] and from some of the people in the town

[30:19] because there's a lot of history

[30:20] involved there that doesn't necessarily

[30:22] get passed down when they get hired on

[30:23] here and stuff that we've already gone

[30:25] through before

[30:26] and tony and brad have have that

[30:28] institutional memory and we have as

[30:30] their chief building official the former

[30:32] uh

[30:33] the province of yukon territory yukon

[30:36] right so

[30:38] it's it's quite a quite a significant

[30:39] group of people to gather too

[30:43] yes

[30:47] okay thank you councillor bateman

[30:49] councillor laginess

[30:51] yeah i think the idea of a task force

[30:53] sorry council elections can you just

[30:55] turn your microphone off um thank you

[30:57] just because i could hear you breathing

[31:00] i think the idea of a task force is a

[31:02] good idea i like the idea of working

[31:04] together and i think that

[31:06] this should not be an insurmountable

[31:09] problem it's not the first house that's

[31:11] been built in suk that we're talking

[31:13] about and i think

[31:16] working together we should be able to

[31:17] solve this in pretty short order i would

[31:20] think

[31:22] okay thank you councillor st pierre

[31:26] uh as it happens there was some

[31:28] discussion just recently in the land use

[31:29] and development committee by a lot of

[31:31] very knowledgeable people on these

[31:32] issues because they're very current and

[31:34] they're very real

[31:36] what i'd like to do is maybe ask through

[31:38] your worship to staff mr apollo

[31:42] we do have some movement forward we have

[31:44] some solutions in the works or i don't

[31:46] want solutions but we're trying to find

[31:48] solutions in the works

[31:49] i'm actually curious about the timeline

[31:51] because uh we've talked about looking

[31:52] for efficiencies that's

[31:54] i i i see it in the minutes of our last

[31:57] meeting

[31:58] i know that we're looking at uh

[31:59] potentially finding out where some of

[32:01] the bottlenecks are in terms of

[32:02] professional certifications and getting

[32:04] professionals where can we skip them and

[32:05] where can the district take on more risk

[32:07] and actually speed things up but i'm

[32:08] curious as to when we can actually be

[32:10] looking at some of the stuff maybe

[32:11] rolling out or coming before council

[32:13] what's the timeline on that and in terms

[32:16] of the task force i think that bringing

[32:17] in additional experts could be useful

[32:19] but we already actually have

[32:21] quite a lot of really good people on the

[32:22] land use and development committee and i

[32:24] think that we really need a goal

[32:26] uh so for example one of the things that

[32:27] uh lankford did do was they decide on a

[32:30] goal 48 hours that might not be our goal

[32:32] but as has been suggested if we decide

[32:34] our goal is two weeks or three weeks or

[32:35] whatever the hell it is

[32:37] we find a way to reach that goal and we

[32:39] put some people on it and we figure how

[32:40] to get to that goal i don't know that we

[32:42] need specifically a task force but i

[32:44] think that we should actually set some

[32:45] objectives

[32:47] and then find a time lag to reach those

[32:48] objectives

[32:56] so we've just begun the the review of of

[32:58] these items and this was uh the item

[33:00] that uh ceo mechanism had mentioned to

[33:03] council uh previously so that works

[33:05] currently underway i'd like that work to

[33:08] be completed over the the course of the

[33:09] next few weeks so

[33:11] you know if this is something that we

[33:12] can

[33:13] get back to to council with an update uh

[33:16] but by the end of

[33:18] say next month since march

[33:21] tomorrow that would that would ideally

[33:22] be a good goal to to inform council of

[33:25] where we're headed with this and also

[33:27] reporting back to the land use uh

[33:28] committee as well with uh the

[33:30] recommendations that they had made to

[33:32] staff and what our findings are uh based

[33:34] on that because i think that will also

[33:36] inform a process if we're to

[33:38] strike a task force to kind of bring in

[33:40] some of that um

[33:42] already researched information

[33:45] um based on that group's expertise and

[33:48] then also with with a task force if it's

[33:51] put together um the those local

[33:53] community members also contributing to

[33:55] that information piece so you know if we

[33:57] can if we can establish something over

[33:58] the course of the next month or so that

[34:00] would that would be ideal uh moving

[34:02] forward on this in the meantime um as

[34:05] was mentioned uh tonight about the

[34:06] hiring of another billing official uh

[34:08] the other goal is of course also making

[34:10] progress through those uh development or

[34:12] building permits that we currently have

[34:14] under review uh which we are making

[34:16] progress on uh already just since last

[34:19] week with the hiring

[34:22] just if i can add to that so my

[34:24] understanding is the hiring and you just

[34:26] mentioned mr powell just to catch up on

[34:29] some of the backlog

[34:30] uh part of it also my understanding is

[34:33] there's been identified of some process

[34:36] issues in the current building bylaw so

[34:39] those will be coming to council

[34:42] where staff have identified some process

[34:44] problems that need to be remedied so

[34:47] that's also in the works now

[34:50] uh

[34:51] and then

[34:52] in terms of using the word task force if

[34:54] if we move in that direction it would

[34:56] probably be easier just for the mayor

[34:57] myself to call a standing committee

[34:59] because then it's um it's a very

[35:01] specific one and can move faster than a

[35:05] select committee so just thinking of

[35:07] local government contacts and what works

[35:10] so do we have standing or select

[35:12] committees there uh in either form

[35:15] um

[35:17] and then the other piece just i had

[35:19] asked inquired today a bit more about

[35:21] what happened to the 48 hour building

[35:22] permit so back in the day when it it was

[35:25] a direction of council back in

[35:28] 2012 or 11 or 13 or whatever year it was

[35:31] it never became a policy though it just

[35:33] became a direction at that day

[35:36] and then there's been subsequent reports

[35:38] out

[35:39] where staff identified at the time

[35:42] that we were running into some capacity

[35:44] issues to meet that so that was 2016 it

[35:47] looks like when uh they reported out to

[35:50] council that we're not able to meet this

[35:53] so it did come to a council meeting at

[35:55] that time and then the problem for many

[35:57] years was not increasing the capacity so

[36:00] then we ran into a point where we didn't

[36:02] even have a planner working at the

[36:03] district um and our

[36:06] building inspectors we only had two and

[36:08] one was on leave so that leaves one

[36:10] person trying to do a lot

[36:13] so

[36:13] things did go awry and i'm not trying to

[36:15] make excuses just sort of explaining

[36:17] what happened here so then over the

[36:19] years

[36:20] uh things have changed i think the last

[36:22] time

[36:23] there was an update was in 2018 and

[36:25] there was a legal challenge about the

[36:27] districts and the liability that the

[36:29] district would be exposed to so there

[36:31] were some concerns raised there

[36:34] and then it did pick up though i think

[36:35] it was 2019 when we met here three years

[36:38] ago my goodness

[36:40] and then of course with the pandemic the

[36:43] challenge that we have there is we did

[36:44] have staff depart new staff joined us

[36:47] and then our operations were

[36:50] to recall the words of the minister of

[36:53] of affairs at that time said we're all

[36:55] building an airplane and flying it at

[36:57] the same time well for me the airplane

[36:59] hasn't landed yet it's still kind of in

[37:01] the air

[37:02] i think it's about to touch down soon

[37:03] which would be great but still up there

[37:06] so anything built in that type of a way

[37:08] is not sustainable there's good people

[37:11] for sure but if you're going to build an

[37:13] operation and then run it at the same

[37:15] time it was meant to be i think for a

[37:17] very short period of time i don't know

[37:19] that any of us wanted to believe the

[37:21] pandemic was going to stretch on as long

[37:22] as it has

[37:24] i certainly did hear that from someone

[37:26] but i didn't want to believe it at the

[37:27] time and now here we are two years later

[37:29] so and then of course just an

[37:32] overwhelming demand and interest in our

[37:33] community that i think is beyond what

[37:35] anyone just thought so there's all of

[37:37] those pieces there but i think what i

[37:39] want to assure you at the moment is that

[37:41] we really appreciate you coming here

[37:42] tonight

[37:44] i think um we'll look for the solution

[37:46] and

[37:47] i think matthew wanted

[37:48] not the end of this month but an update

[37:50] at the end of next month or sooner so we

[37:53] can we'll continually check in on how

[37:56] we're doing

[37:57] um

[37:59] and then look to identify those so i

[38:01] think that's where we do have the land

[38:03] use committee so i kind of don't want to

[38:04] create another committee when we have a

[38:06] committee because then what is the

[38:07] committee's mandate over there but it's

[38:10] it's something that they're well aware

[38:11] of so we'll just look for the best way

[38:14] uh to do that meeting of the mind so

[38:16] that we get the technical expertise that

[38:18] we need

[38:19] uh the user perspective of this the

[38:22] layperson who's making decisions here

[38:25] and then how we can all implement those

[38:27] together while admitting the other

[38:28] priorities that we're trying to achieve

[38:30] here

[38:31] so it's timely

[38:32] uh that you've addressed us we certainly

[38:34] appreciate what you're

[38:36] saying though i agree with councilor

[38:38] bateman when it gets that specific

[38:41] that's where it's not that we're not

[38:43] following you it's just we really don't

[38:45] know quite what you're talking about

[38:46] because we're not the ones building the

[38:48] houses

[38:49] but there is also likely from this

[38:51] there's an educational component that

[38:53] needs to land with the elected body and

[38:55] that means us so we heard of ministers

[38:57] eb announcement they want to get the

[38:59] housing supply on they agree that local

[39:02] government government can decide where

[39:05] and how much but not if it happens and

[39:08] so that's a message right to the elected

[39:10] body that

[39:12] while we like to sit there and well what

[39:13] about this this and this and we've all

[39:15] done it here talking about parking and

[39:18] some things part of it is

[39:21] we will lose that autonomy if we get too

[39:23] nitpicky about the province wanting to

[39:26] deliver the supply and they're serious

[39:28] about it so i'll be curious also to see

[39:31] as they're drafting legislation

[39:34] and

[39:35] consulting or advising local governments

[39:38] on what that looks like is what we're

[39:40] going to hear in time as they move

[39:41] forward in that way there is now a new

[39:43] minister

[39:44] responsible for local government

[39:47] nathan cullen i believe has been

[39:48] assigned so now we get to know a whole

[39:50] new minister available

[39:52] but it'll be timely

[39:54] in the in the coming weeks for sure

[39:57] so at this point i think um stay tuned

[40:00] and we also know that we need to

[40:01] continually improve our communication so

[40:04] as things do change

[40:06] finding ways to deliver out that message

[40:08] like look the province has come down

[40:10] with x we have to do x did you know that

[40:12] this is happening and finding more ways

[40:15] to engage out with those that are the

[40:16] end users

[40:19] but yeah i i would agree that we

[40:21] we want to find improvements and

[40:23] everyone here is committed to doing that

[40:26] so thank you

[40:28] for your time today

[40:30] for being here and of course we'd love

[40:32] to have you stay with us

[40:34] for the rest of the meeting

[40:36] sure that would be a great way to enjoy

[40:38] a monday

[40:39] with your partner

[40:43] okay council so we'll move on into our

[40:46] next item here which is our pub pardon

[40:48] me

[40:49] item six report from the chief

[40:51] administrative officer

[40:53] thank you worship and i will give just a

[40:54] quick update on the

[40:56] building permit application process uh

[40:58] since my um presentation on february

[41:01] 14th oh mr haldane you may want to hear

[41:03] this mr mckinnis is giving an update on

[41:05] the building permit process so as mr

[41:08] haldane suggested

[41:09] we don't have a tool to do uh something

[41:12] similar to a development permit

[41:14] application before building permit so a

[41:17] lot of these other communities that are

[41:20] processing

[41:21] building permit applications in days

[41:24] actually have a process in front of that

[41:27] where various things are looked at and

[41:29] the legal advice that you referred to

[41:31] suggests that there's a number of things

[41:33] that need to be outside of any 48-hour

[41:35] process or policy that council may want

[41:37] to consider

[41:39] geotechnical reports

[41:42] various things that are in covenants one

[41:44] of the things that we have found through

[41:46] our process now there are a lot of

[41:48] covenants on individual

[41:51] properties in suk and most of those

[41:53] covenants say you must do various things

[41:57] before issuing a building permit

[41:59] so that's one thing that we're going to

[42:01] have to

[42:02] have a serious look at so if the

[42:04] covenant says you must provide a

[42:05] stormwater management plan or a

[42:07] geotechnical report before the issue of

[42:09] the building permit

[42:11] what mr haldane suggested we do and run

[42:13] these things in tandem

[42:14] that's not what the the legal agreements

[42:17] uh that the landowner and the district

[42:19] have coveted on title so that's one

[42:21] thing that we're seeing the other piece

[42:23] is um i would love to have a development

[42:26] permit process for

[42:27] in front of each building permit but our

[42:29] ocp has

[42:31] not gone that way and there are so many

[42:33] building permits that come to us we

[42:35] don't have the tools to do that

[42:37] pre-engineering or

[42:39] planning work in front of that

[42:42] so as of this morning we have about 70

[42:45] individual permits in the queue right

[42:47] now um most of those permits have uh or

[42:51] those

[42:52] parcels have two permits a building

[42:53] permit and a plumbing permit and then

[42:55] we've got uh

[42:57] for instance the the development next

[42:59] door two individual buildings with

[43:00] various permits so we have about 30

[43:03] applicants in the queue right now

[43:06] last year our last week when our new

[43:08] building official came on

[43:10] we actually issued 12 building permits

[43:12] and we brought in five new applications

[43:14] so we're on the right track

[43:17] uh we're going down that road

[43:19] um so we're looking at a three-phase

[43:22] solution to our current situation uh

[43:25] looking at the backlog

[43:27] and then bringing the building bylaw

[43:29] back to council to councillor beto's

[43:32] question what what changed uh one of the

[43:34] things that changed was the building

[43:36] bylaw adoption that happened in february

[43:39] of 2021

[43:41] if you look at sectional or part 11 of

[43:44] the building bylaw

[43:45] it is clear what is required for an

[43:47] application uh in souq and it's uh quite

[43:51] onerous so we're looking at those things

[43:54] that are discretionary

[43:55] and may not have to come with each

[43:58] permit so

[44:00] my

[44:01] suggestion to council is

[44:03] i think we know what the issues are it's

[44:05] the building bylaw it is the covenants

[44:08] to

[44:09] bring other people in at this point

[44:10] would probably um

[44:13] just

[44:14] take more time i would suggest that the

[44:16] bigger process with the grant that we

[44:18] have and the ultimate solution to this

[44:20] is where we need to engage

[44:22] i think that um to engage now we'll just

[44:25] add more time to the backlog that we

[44:27] want to really focus on getting through

[44:30] and then bringing that that bylaw back

[44:32] to council in order to knock down some

[44:34] of the barriers where there's low risk

[44:36] for us

[44:37] requiring various things

[44:40] so i think i'll leave it there but

[44:42] three-phase process the backlog the

[44:44] building bylaw and then the longer term

[44:47] process review that we're doing with the

[44:49] grant that we got

[44:50] from

[44:52] municipal affairs

[44:55] and this follows a very

[44:58] thorough review and uh study that was

[45:00] done in

[45:01] 2019 by municipal affairs on the whole

[45:04] building

[45:05] uh process uh review

[45:07] and uh one of the things in that review

[45:09] is uh

[45:10] as mr haldane alluded to uh we're not

[45:13] alone in this uh

[45:14] it's a systemic problem across the

[45:17] province

[45:18] but one of the the big the biggest issue

[45:21] still was incomplete or poorly developed

[45:24] applications um so we need to make sure

[45:27] that section 11 in our bylaws part 11 in

[45:30] our bylaw is

[45:32] focused we're not asking for too much

[45:35] but we're not taking an undue risk as

[45:36] well

[45:41] thank you

[45:43] when we get to public input you could

[45:45] okay thank you mr mckinnis

[45:49] okay so that brings us to item seven

[45:52] public question and comments so this is

[45:54] for all items on tonight's agenda um any

[45:57] speaker you would just need to give your

[46:00] name

[46:01] and municipality of address we don't

[46:03] need your home address just where you

[46:05] live

[46:06] and everyone would have up to two

[46:07] minutes

[46:08] and when you start speaking we will

[46:10] start timing

[46:15] so miss lou i see miss lures

[46:23] eleanor's

[46:25] soup

[46:26] um i just wanted to speak to page 15

[46:33] uh the adoption of the minutes for the

[46:35] ocp

[46:36] and uh

[46:38] and also the minutes uh on page 17

[46:47] the ocp

[46:48] [Music]

[46:50] as these committee meetings

[46:52] were

[46:53] not recorded

[46:55] they weren't recorded but they were

[46:57] recorded written

[46:59] but i made comments at the meeting on on

[47:03] february

[47:04] or january 20th december december 15th

[47:08] made comments and asked questions and

[47:09] they weren't

[47:10] on the minutes

[47:12] uh weren't put forward in the minutes

[47:14] and the same on january 20th and the

[47:16] same on february 15th and

[47:21] i i understand that there's a summary

[47:24] done but the comments and and queries

[47:27] that i had were questions that community

[47:30] had asked and i asked them

[47:32] of the committee

[47:34] asked the questions i did meet with

[47:36] staff

[47:38] to answer some of the questions but

[47:40] those are questions that were all of the

[47:41] committee's concerns

[47:44] and i did put a um an email out saying

[47:48] that committee and council are under the

[47:50] same rules under the municipal act you

[47:53] have to have accurate minutes

[47:57] and it concerns me greatly with all the

[47:59] other committees as well

[48:01] if the minutes are summarized and things

[48:04] are left out then how are we knowing

[48:07] what's really going on in the meeting do

[48:09] we have to go to every meeting to in

[48:11] order to find out exactly what's

[48:12] happening

[48:14] the questions i asked i thought were

[48:15] fair there are questions also that our

[48:17] committee had talked about

[48:19] so my suggestion would be

[48:21] that uh

[48:23] that there be recorded the minutes be

[48:25] recorded the same as council meetings

[48:27] because

[48:29] when you look at history when you look

[48:31] back and you see those things weren't

[48:32] even brought up

[48:34] so

[48:36] nobody discussed that but that's not

[48:37] true

[48:38] there was a lot of discussion went on

[48:40] and it wasn't recorded and uh

[48:43] i would really like to see minutes

[48:45] recorded properly

[48:47] because under the because we are under

[48:49] the municipal municipal act

[48:51] i know the district doesn't have a

[48:52] policy but we don't have a policy

[48:54] because we're in a municipal act we have

[48:55] to have accurate minutes for committees

[48:58] and for council

[49:00] beside each other so

[49:02] i i would ask that perhaps

[49:05] we look at the doing this properly

[49:07] it's most unfortunate it's most

[49:09] unfortunate when those because when you

[49:11] go to review

[49:12] uh if you go to look back and you go to

[49:14] review you're going to see that

[49:16] there's nothing there nobody talked

[49:17] about that

[49:19] okay thank you thank you miss lures i i

[49:21] will share though that our minutes are

[49:22] handled through our council procedural

[49:24] bylaw

[49:25] so that's where the handling of minutes

[49:28] for counseling committee meetings are

[49:30] handled through that procedural bylaw so

[49:32] but they still require accurate minutes

[49:34] i suppose they summarize the meeting but

[49:36] perhaps i'll have our corporate officer

[49:38] answer that

[49:40] certainly um

[49:44] under robert's rules of minutes and this

[49:46] is what i have referenced uh previously

[49:48] is that the minutes are to be a record

[49:51] or of the decisions that were made at a

[49:53] committee not what was said and

[49:57] sometimes we do include some additional

[49:59] comment for frame of reference around

[50:02] the conversation but

[50:04] the minutes are intended to be a record

[50:06] of what was the decisions that were made

[50:08] at a at a meeting

[50:10] i have another question i see that and

[50:13] all of them uh the

[50:16] the comments made by the public were in

[50:19] here

[50:20] and they're recorded but the comments of

[50:22] the committee aren't in here

[50:24] just uh something i observed okay thank

[50:28] you ms lures for

[50:30] bringing this to our attention

[50:39] yeah

[50:40] just turn the button on please uh

[50:42] william wiles from suke

[50:44] i just wanted to ask two issues that

[50:46] were on the agenda tonight one is the

[50:47] fire service fees that is being

[50:49] addressed there's one item in there

[50:51] that's the removal of oil tanks and

[50:55] gas tanks i guess

[50:56] and uh it's car charging 80 bucks an

[50:58] hour

[50:59] to i don't know what it is but i think

[51:02] it should be

[51:03] qualified whether

[51:05] small household oil tanks are to be

[51:08] included in that where they have to go

[51:10] observe whether someone's taking we're

[51:11] trying to encourage people to get off of

[51:13] oil so i'm just wondering if that fee

[51:15] might be weighed for

[51:16] small things and i don't know if it

[51:17] applies

[51:19] the second issue is in regard to the

[51:21] incentives for

[51:23] underground garages or houses for cars

[51:26] i i see the logic of trying to get cars

[51:30] off the road

[51:35] uh save land but at the same time

[51:37] there's a fair there's enormous amount

[51:39] of concrete that has to go in for the

[51:41] development of an underground garage

[51:44] uh we all know that uh concrete has

[51:47] greenhouse gas

[51:48] implications and i'd like to demonstrate

[51:51] that just a little bit we have a new

[51:53] library there a wonderful building just

[51:56] an absolutely wonderful building

[51:58] but if you look underneath it

[52:01] there's over

[52:02] 800 cubic meters of concrete that went

[52:06] into that building

[52:08] that's over 160 tons of greenhouse gases

[52:12] it's housing six cars

[52:15] that are under there

[52:17] an enormous waste of

[52:20] concrete

[52:21] energy greenhouse gases i think we

[52:23] should

[52:25] consider

[52:27] giving incentives to

[52:29] build houses for cars

[52:31] we're trying to get people away from

[52:33] cars we're trying to reduce our

[52:35] greenhouse gases and i think uh in

[52:37] providing incentives to build houses for

[52:40] cars it's just the wrong

[52:42] incentive that we should be operating

[52:44] the ipcc

[52:46] secondary report came out today

[52:49] things are not looking good for the

[52:50] environment i think we all should

[52:52] take a second look at how we

[52:55] uh operate

[52:57] and

[52:58] that's it thank you very much

[53:00] thank you mr wallace

[53:03] do we have an answer just on the fees

[53:06] and the removal of the tanks for mr

[53:08] wallace that is an existing fee uh the

[53:11] only reason that it's in the agenda this

[53:14] evening is because that table is being

[53:16] replaced and has a couple of additions

[53:18] the fuel tank item is something that has

[53:21] been in the bylaw for a period of time

[53:25] thank you do we have other other

[53:27] speakers

[53:36] hi susan belford i live in sukh

[53:39] i'm also speaking to item 10.4 the

[53:43] building bylaw density bonusing

[53:45] um

[53:47] i understand why

[53:48] it seems a good idea hiding cars

[53:51] underground does yield a more

[53:53] aesthetically pleasing

[53:54] above ground but i think we have to

[53:57] watch out

[53:58] for unintended consequences with this

[54:01] kind of incentivizing i don't think it's

[54:03] appropriate allowing for further density

[54:08] to encourage developers to build

[54:11] underground parking

[54:13] ultimately in the end all it's going to

[54:15] do is increase density

[54:17] and increase the number of cars which

[54:19] isn't going to meet our

[54:21] long-term goals as a as a municipality

[54:24] over time i think

[54:27] i really would urge council to consider

[54:30] doing what other municipalities have

[54:32] done

[54:33] require developers to build underground

[54:36] parking

[54:37] they'll do it

[54:39] decouple the cost of parking from the

[54:41] cost of a unit so that

[54:44] i as as

[54:46] you know or any individual who wanted to

[54:48] buy a unit

[54:50] could make the choice to buy the unit

[54:52] without parking thus making a commitment

[54:54] not to bring a vehicle into the downtown

[54:57] core

[54:58] council and developers can support

[55:02] purchasers in this

[55:04] by ensuring that each new multi-family

[55:08] or or higher density development has a

[55:13] good sized

[55:15] fleet of shareable vehicles

[55:19] there are two good car share

[55:22] organizations in the local area

[55:26] car sharing has shown to reduce the

[55:29] number of vehicles on the road over time

[55:33] as well as so increase car share and

[55:35] also

[55:36] increase other kinds of incentives for

[55:40] for people

[55:41] by giving them bus passes and that kind

[55:44] of thing thank you mrs bill for the last

[55:46] two minutes i just got um

[55:48] just been called out a bit actually

[55:50] procedurally that items coming

[55:52] for first and second reading are not

[55:55] the public can't comment on them because

[55:57] there'll be a public hearing to address

[55:59] that further on in which case you'll be

[56:01] able to speak to it at a public hearing

[56:03] and everyone will have that so that's

[56:05] unfortunate i guess um

[56:08] that does limit conversation a little

[56:10] bit but anyway i understand why

[56:12] but i appreciated you being here so

[56:14] that's where i wanted to give you the

[56:16] two minutes just the same

[56:19] okay

[56:27] hi

[56:28] anna russell wanta fuca

[56:30] uh i wanted to talk about the building

[56:32] permit agenda item

[56:34] and um

[56:36] just in terms of contacts in other

[56:37] communities uh having coming from

[56:39] vancouver a few couple of years ago

[56:42] i think my neighbor waited months for a

[56:45] permit and it might have been closer to

[56:46] a year so just to say that not everybody

[56:48] is doing the 48-hour thing uh and as a

[56:51] management consultant i cannot actually

[56:53] think of a management process in which

[56:55] you could guarantee that building

[56:56] permits will already be always be

[56:59] managed within a specific frame time

[57:01] time frame because

[57:02] even if there aren't covenants there are

[57:04] always going to be different amounts

[57:06] coming in and you could set up a system

[57:08] in which you would have a good chance of

[57:10] meeting a particular performance target

[57:12] of amount of time but if a whole bunch

[57:14] of builders show up with a whole bunch

[57:15] of new permits suddenly they will not be

[57:17] bringing in enough revenue right away

[57:19] for you to hire a new person right away

[57:21] to instantly process everything

[57:23] in exactly the same amount of time so i

[57:25] guess i just wanted to counsel against

[57:28] unrealistic expectations around what can

[57:30] be meant if you're met if you're going

[57:31] to be having a task force um you might

[57:34] be able to

[57:35] commit to a certain time frame for

[57:37] processing applications for the first x

[57:39] number of straightforward fully

[57:42] completed applications but if you get a

[57:44] back uh if you get a sudden influx of

[57:46] new

[57:47] applications uh it would be unrealistic

[57:50] in my opinion to

[57:52] meet that target so i just don't want to

[57:54] um

[57:55] have a lot of pressure on staff to meet

[57:57] an unrealistic expectation and then a

[57:59] lot of pressure on council to be raped

[58:02] over the coals for not meeting an

[58:03] unrealistic expectation and that's my

[58:05] perspective tonight thank you

[58:07] thank you miss russell and i'll share

[58:08] that we're not targeting 48 hours by any

[58:12] means i know yes because i know

[58:14] we've learned that our ability to meet

[58:16] that

[58:17] it's never been successful i think maybe

[58:20] it worked for a day and as far as i know

[58:22] it it just

[58:24] was a great idea but the capacity was

[58:26] not in place

[58:27] and then that led it

[58:29] led us to

[58:30] you know failing to meet expectations

[58:32] when we were unable to we weren't

[58:34] positioned to even meet that back in the

[58:36] day

[58:37] but i think it's more just in terms of

[58:39] what is reasonable and we have good

[58:41] averages and and so forth and we do need

[58:43] to make some improvements which we're

[58:45] doing but i think saying okay even 72

[58:47] hours

[58:48] uh would be unfair for reasons that

[58:50] you've expressed

[58:54] okay thank you everyone for

[58:57] taking the time i need to brush up on

[58:59] our procedural bylaw a little bit more

[59:01] um but one point that's been made

[59:03] through the changes that is made is that

[59:04] when items come for first and second

[59:06] reading that

[59:08] uh because there would be a scheduled

[59:09] public hearing that's advertised and it

[59:11] provides fairness to those that are not

[59:13] present for this meeting or following it

[59:16] as closely to at least receive the

[59:18] notification of something that's coming

[59:20] and plan either to email a submission or

[59:23] plan to present in person so then we get

[59:25] the benefit of all views

[59:27] uh at that time but

[59:29] since you are here and we've missed

[59:30] having in like actual people with us

[59:33] it's like well you can't make it can't

[59:35] make how i can't stop someone from

[59:37] speaking because we're delighted that

[59:39] you've actually joined with us tonight

[59:40] so thank you everyone

[59:47] that's okay and i should know better

[59:48] myself but like i said it's just nice to

[59:50] see people in human form

[59:53] okay counsel we'll move on into our

[59:55] agenda then and that takes us to our

[59:58] consent agenda so here we are and that

[1:00:01] is that items 8.1 and 8.2 be adopted by

[1:00:04] general consent

[1:00:06] i have a mover by councillor st pierre

[1:00:08] and seconded by councillor laginess

[1:00:11] i'm not hearing of

[1:00:13] extraction yeah i wanted to extract one

[1:00:16] that was item f

[1:00:18] so that's to be pulled for consideration

[1:00:20] of the next council meeting okay so let

[1:00:23] me just open that please just second so

[1:00:25] correspondence received counselor

[1:00:27] battles would like item f

[1:00:30] our pardon me counselor what did i say

[1:00:32] counselor

[1:00:33] battles pardon me counselor betos

[1:00:36] has requested that item f lpit

[1:00:39] notification suit mr greg little

[1:00:42] come to the next regular council meeting

[1:00:44] for discussion

[1:00:48] counselor bateman requested that

[1:00:52] don't even ask me what i just said okay

[1:00:54] so

[1:00:55] next regular council meeting for

[1:00:57] discussion counselor bateman okay

[1:00:59] anything else to be extracted no so i'll

[1:01:03] call the question then to receive and

[1:01:04] file all those in favor please

[1:01:06] and that's unanimous thank you sorry if

[1:01:10] i'm confusing names

[1:01:13] okay all right

[1:01:16] here's a bit of a difference

[1:01:18] let's not let's let's not go there

[1:01:21] tonight

[1:01:23] reports yeah yeah yeah okay item 9.1

[1:01:28] volunteer recognition event

[1:01:31] let's focus so we have our report here

[1:01:34] i'll turn it over to staff just to walk

[1:01:35] us through the report

[1:01:41] i guess that's me

[1:01:44] oh thank your worship so um if

[1:01:47] i believe it was lost fall counts yes

[1:01:50] sorry october 2021

[1:01:52] uh council had mentioned a

[1:01:55] possibility of considering an event or

[1:01:58] um occasion to recognize the work of our

[1:02:01] volunteers specifically uh the people

[1:02:03] that are serving on our advisory

[1:02:05] committees so staff

[1:02:07] had done a little research

[1:02:10] there was an event in 2013 and then

[1:02:12] again in 2017 both were a little bit

[1:02:15] different one with refreshments

[1:02:17] certificates and flowers and then the

[1:02:20] most recent one was just an event held

[1:02:22] in council chambers

[1:02:24] with certificate and refreshments again

[1:02:26] so i guess i'm sorry not too different

[1:02:29] and then we have

[1:02:31] just done some initial investigation as

[1:02:34] to

[1:02:35] what type of events could be offered and

[1:02:38] what those costs would be and those are

[1:02:40] outlined in the table in the

[1:02:43] report

[1:02:45] did you want me to go through that

[1:02:48] okay

[1:02:50] so

[1:02:52] um we do not have the money in our event

[1:02:55] budget is already spoken for through the

[1:02:57] santa claus parade so um

[1:03:00] and given that this hasn't been an

[1:03:02] annual event

[1:03:03] um

[1:03:04] since 2017 there are no specific funds

[1:03:08] for this in the budget so it would

[1:03:09] probably need to come from council

[1:03:11] contingency or some other

[1:03:14] fund that's it

[1:03:17] thank you miss michelle so the other

[1:03:19] piece to this that remains a bit of a

[1:03:22] mystery to me

[1:03:23] is that every term that i'm aware of

[1:03:26] we've done some community a recognition

[1:03:29] awards

[1:03:30] so i recall the first time for myself

[1:03:34] was at the community hall

[1:03:37] i think

[1:03:39] members of the community sort of

[1:03:40] nominated

[1:03:42] different individuals and then there

[1:03:44] must have been a a committee that juried

[1:03:47] these applications i'm not sure who that

[1:03:49] committee was i just remember needing to

[1:03:51] be at the hall at a certain date and

[1:03:53] time

[1:03:54] uh the piper piped us in the mayor gave

[1:03:57] a presentation and one by one

[1:03:59] certificates were handed out to

[1:04:00] individuals and so that's where there's

[1:04:03] been this event like this but it just

[1:04:05] sort of happens

[1:04:07] on its own and then suddenly there's

[1:04:10] folks

[1:04:11] nominations are coming in and and

[1:04:14] so forth so it's always like the elected

[1:04:16] body has never been a part

[1:04:18] of the selection we've never been the

[1:04:20] jurors of this event it's more

[1:04:23] the wrecking the community recognition

[1:04:25] is open now

[1:04:26] uh and then we tend we're sort of told

[1:04:29] in the past like not to nominate

[1:04:30] ourselves or family members because it's

[1:04:32] obviously major conflict there but that

[1:04:35] the commun the district was doing this

[1:04:37] as a like community leadership type

[1:04:39] awards

[1:04:41] so that's sort of what i was thinking

[1:04:42] though i also know we talked about

[1:04:44] wanting to recognize all the volunteers

[1:04:46] from our committee so are these the same

[1:04:48] things or different now

[1:04:50] staff has just advised me that the event

[1:04:53] that i think you're referring to was

[1:04:54] done in coordination with the souq

[1:04:56] museum

[1:04:58] so i'd have to speak more with staff

[1:05:00] that may have been around at the time

[1:05:02] that was prior to

[1:05:04] my starting with the district as well

[1:05:07] but um it sounds like we might have some

[1:05:09] staff history that we could provide a

[1:05:11] little bit more information on that

[1:05:13] okay because that's where it's always

[1:05:15] the case where it's like once a term and

[1:05:18] then um but i wasn't sure

[1:05:21] where how it evolved it's just always

[1:05:23] been on my mind that okay what and then

[1:05:25] of course with kovid

[1:05:27] the ability to gather and do anything

[1:05:29] and just like it all went out the window

[1:05:30] completely so now it's the case of

[1:05:34] you know what do we do this term or you

[1:05:36] know and how do we advance this

[1:05:38] accordingly so okay maybe that piece

[1:05:40] then we could get something different so

[1:05:43] this is for our committee volunteers

[1:05:45] district suit committee volunteers

[1:05:48] because we've had different committee

[1:05:49] members

[1:05:50] over the time okay

[1:05:53] all right so clarity another information

[1:05:55] report to come on that note

[1:05:57] um this then is focusing on our

[1:05:59] committee volunteers

[1:06:01] um

[1:06:02] so

[1:06:04] my thought here is that

[1:06:07] weekends are going to be a challenge

[1:06:09] many of our volunteers are volunteering

[1:06:13] uh which they do on weekends or enjoying

[1:06:15] time with

[1:06:16] family uh and then

[1:06:20] i was sort of more it's

[1:06:22] just something it's honoring the

[1:06:24] volunteers um

[1:06:26] and finding a time that would work i

[1:06:28] know it doesn't work for everyone but

[1:06:30] maybe we could do something indoor in

[1:06:32] chambers on a monday before a council

[1:06:34] meeting

[1:06:35] typically in soup not a lot of people

[1:06:37] volunteer monday night there's some

[1:06:39] obviously that do but wednesday

[1:06:41] thursdays

[1:06:42] are very heavy and weekends volunteers

[1:06:45] are now delivering what they're doing

[1:06:47] and of course some meet all the time

[1:06:49] counselor battles

[1:06:50] yeah i had a look at this and i wasn't

[1:06:52] quite sure exactly what we were getting

[1:06:55] at here but i i looked at council

[1:06:57] chambers and you know even if you do 10

[1:06:59] volunteers and recognize them and their

[1:07:02] family members it fills up pretty quick

[1:07:04] so i'm

[1:07:05] really not in favor of doing it in

[1:07:07] chambers here at all

[1:07:10] again i don't know that the number

[1:07:12] involved but

[1:07:13] i would think with the committees that

[1:07:15] we've had running in the last

[1:07:17] three four years

[1:07:18] you could probably have 50 people and

[1:07:21] family members so

[1:07:23] i only thought option d in-person event

[1:07:26] on a sunday

[1:07:27] um

[1:07:28] i know it's the most expensive one but

[1:07:30] we've got a beautiful little part next

[1:07:32] door here

[1:07:34] that would be

[1:07:36] a better a better fit but again i'm not

[1:07:39] clear as to who are we honoring here so

[1:07:42] it will be the ones on committee not

[1:07:43] people in the community that work for

[1:07:45] the food bank or anything like that it

[1:07:47] is for the people that work for us over

[1:07:49] those years it would be district

[1:07:51] committee volunteers okay like yes

[1:07:54] ocp climate there's been two forms of

[1:07:57] the climate committee yeah uh and then

[1:07:59] there's been the land and the land use

[1:08:01] and development committee and i would

[1:08:03] expect you to bring a spouse to

[1:08:04] something like that if we invited a

[1:08:06] member of the spouse to come with them

[1:08:07] depends on the volunteer yeah well i

[1:08:10] understand that but if

[1:08:11] you'd be

[1:08:12] allowed to bring a guest i suspect so

[1:08:14] that's why i was sort of leaning towards

[1:08:16] uh

[1:08:17] d

[1:08:18] and a nice day in uh in the summer

[1:08:20] months outside here uh i thought that'd

[1:08:23] be pretty good i know it's the most

[1:08:25] expensive item but uh

[1:08:27] these people put in many many

[1:08:30] hours of work and uh i thought that'd be

[1:08:32] good

[1:08:33] i don't think this cost covers the

[1:08:35] family this is just to have the

[1:08:37] volunteers present so if we're looking

[1:08:39] at adding

[1:08:40] more where they bring their family we

[1:08:42] the cost would go up to

[1:08:45] uh to accommodate whether that's chair

[1:08:47] my other question though is given the

[1:08:49] construction next door i don't know what

[1:08:50] this would be yeah

[1:08:52] all i know is like i think we can do it

[1:08:54] in chambers that was my point

[1:08:57] counselor saint pierre then login us

[1:09:00] uh two or three small points uh one is

[1:09:03] that uh i'm well aware that the climate

[1:09:05] action committee that was in place

[1:09:07] during the first year of the pandemic

[1:09:09] never had a chance to wrap up properly

[1:09:11] but did in fact keep on working through

[1:09:13] the pandemic

[1:09:14] and uh it was a lot of work

[1:09:17] but there was no recognition at that

[1:09:18] point in time so i'm hoping that when we

[1:09:20] do this we can actually you know

[1:09:21] definitely make sure we get back to

[1:09:22] those people and invite them

[1:09:25] the other thing was that the subregion

[1:09:27] volunteer center might be a good partner

[1:09:29] and might have a suitable location over

[1:09:31] the family resource center type of place

[1:09:33] they've got some nice garden areas and

[1:09:34] so on i don't know if it would be

[1:09:36] possible but if they had any events that

[1:09:38] were similar it might be interesting for

[1:09:39] them to partner with the district

[1:09:41] in a volunteer recognition type event

[1:09:43] and then the district could actually be

[1:09:45] one of the presenters

[1:09:47] recognizing many of the volunteers in

[1:09:49] sioux because we're our committees are

[1:09:50] not the only volunteers

[1:09:52] so that was another just a mighty way to

[1:09:55] either defray costs or stretch the

[1:09:57] dollars to have an even better event

[1:10:00] so you're thinking

[1:10:01] did i hear sioux family resource center

[1:10:04] or with the volunteer region volunteer

[1:10:06] center okay i think it's is uh

[1:10:08] that's where they're located

[1:10:10] right okay

[1:10:14] yeah councillogness

[1:10:19] i would be in favor of doing um

[1:10:22] an outdoor event i'm not sure where the

[1:10:26] covered outdoor area

[1:10:29] um i don't think we have any

[1:10:33] oh a rented like rent a tent or

[1:10:35] something

[1:10:36] i mean if we do in the summertime we can

[1:10:38] save the cost of renting the tent and

[1:10:41] just uh pick a location

[1:10:43] we should be able to find some place

[1:10:51] you're assuming it's not going to rain

[1:10:52] i'm not making any bets on weather

[1:10:54] anymore councillor bateman well the

[1:10:56] committees wind up on june 30th right so

[1:11:00] therefore we'd be looking at a summer

[1:11:01] event and i i agree it could be an

[1:11:04] outdoor event it would make total sense

[1:11:06] i don't know why it has to cost that

[1:11:08] much can't can't we just fire up some

[1:11:10] barbecues and um

[1:11:12] you know bringing a few lines to run the

[1:11:15] uh

[1:11:16] i know that there must be a

[1:11:18] simpler way to gather in a kind of

[1:11:21] picnic

[1:11:22] scenario

[1:11:23] outdoors

[1:11:26] and also yeah so we in just in terms of

[1:11:30] the

[1:11:31] this mixed messaging here we got the

[1:11:33] committee volunteers and then community

[1:11:35] volunteers and i did do some research

[1:11:37] and

[1:11:38] since 2001 there was 12 straight years

[1:11:42] of annual volunteer recognition

[1:11:44] ceremonies

[1:11:45] and 350 residents have been acknowledged

[1:11:48] and then that lapsed and then in 2017

[1:11:51] you honored marlene barry said jordan

[1:11:53] heather phillips neil flynn in chambers

[1:11:56] so um be great to you know as the

[1:11:59] volunteer capital canada would be great

[1:12:01] to have that

[1:12:02] revived

[1:12:04] yeah that's where i recall it being the

[1:12:06] last time it was in chambers

[1:12:08] uh and there was it was small it was

[1:12:11] just the four

[1:12:13] uh members of council staff and i think

[1:12:15] maybe a few family members it was it was

[1:12:17] much smaller than the previous events

[1:12:19] but that's where i'm kind of mixing

[1:12:21] events together here it was just the

[1:12:23] case of

[1:12:24] i remember it just being once a term

[1:12:26] that obviously happened more frequently

[1:12:28] in the past

[1:12:30] and then sometimes i get queries from it

[1:12:33] where someone wants to nominate somebody

[1:12:35] and they're waiting for the intake so

[1:12:37] that's what kind of like oh yeah i have

[1:12:39] to ask like where is that event and who

[1:12:41] was the keeper of that process

[1:12:44] so

[1:12:45] i think right now we need a bit more

[1:12:47] information here before we make a

[1:12:48] decision so

[1:12:50] i'm wondering here

[1:12:53] i you know i'm hearing a desire to have

[1:12:55] something outside

[1:12:57] uh i hear a bit more i mean myself i'm

[1:13:00] looking for the community recognition

[1:13:02] piece

[1:13:03] and then does it all go together because

[1:13:05] i think where the staff report was was

[1:13:08] to invite just the committee members

[1:13:10] that served members of council and staff

[1:13:12] in which case chambers would have been

[1:13:14] adequate as a location

[1:13:16] but when we start to add in more then

[1:13:19] obviously that changes

[1:13:22] the venue obviously becomes too small

[1:13:24] and then locating outside i think maybe

[1:13:27] part of it being covered is the weather

[1:13:28] is unpredictable

[1:13:30] and that um the case of having tables

[1:13:33] with some food items that aren't in the

[1:13:36] sun leading to other

[1:13:38] potential issues with exposed food in

[1:13:40] the sun so that

[1:13:43] and to keep it sort of as a simple way

[1:13:45] for folks to meet and greet and see each

[1:13:47] other in person because as counselor st

[1:13:49] pierre said some haven't even really met

[1:13:53] counselor saint pierre then back to

[1:13:54] meadows

[1:13:55] i think one of the things that i would

[1:13:56] really like here is for more of the

[1:13:58] community be actually able to attend and

[1:14:00] we know that a local government event

[1:14:01] like this is not also going to bring in

[1:14:02] a lot of the public so it's probably

[1:14:04] going to be as has been previously

[1:14:05] stated a very small number family and so

[1:14:07] on and so forth

[1:14:08] uh i like the idea of john phillips i

[1:14:10] like the idea of maybe doing it on a

[1:14:11] saturday when the farmer's market is

[1:14:13] already going something like that is

[1:14:14] happening

[1:14:17] uh well we've got parking up here and

[1:14:18] it's not that far to walk

[1:14:21] sorry i'm just chiming in because i've

[1:14:23] come to the market and left because i'm

[1:14:25] parking on the road because it is full

[1:14:28] here when the market is on so from

[1:14:30] accessibility it doesn't work for folks

[1:14:33] unless we screen off half the parking

[1:14:35] which works so i don't want to let's not

[1:14:37] tangle everything

[1:14:38] it's just too bad because logistically i

[1:14:40] wish that more of the community could

[1:14:42] actually

[1:14:42] see what we're doing and see what these

[1:14:44] volunteers are doing

[1:14:45] yeah

[1:14:46] [Music]

[1:14:47] councillor battles

[1:14:49] one uh possible place is ed mcgregor

[1:14:52] park they have the band shell

[1:14:54] which which is covered you could put the

[1:14:56] food under there

[1:14:57] and uh

[1:14:59] the other part of the equation which i'm

[1:15:01] not familiar with yet is i still would

[1:15:03] like an outdoor venue

[1:15:05] but again it's the numbers uh i mean

[1:15:07] it's

[1:15:08] i'm hearing two things now it's going to

[1:15:10] be the ones that have worked for council

[1:15:12] on these different committees now i

[1:15:14] don't know what those numbers are and

[1:15:15] now we're talking about expanding it a

[1:15:17] bit more into maybe some recognitions

[1:15:19] from the community uh either way i i

[1:15:22] think that uh the band show would work

[1:15:25] and there is that possibility of asking

[1:15:27] a service club to to cater it but i mean

[1:15:30] i can't speak for them but i do know

[1:15:32] that stuff that's been done in the past

[1:15:34] with the three

[1:15:36] clubs that i'm familiar with uh you know

[1:15:38] the they all go together and

[1:15:40] do stuff so

[1:15:42] there is some possibilities but uh

[1:15:44] um i need some more information here how

[1:15:47] many people are we talking about because

[1:15:48] i'm just thinking the committee's alone

[1:15:51] 35 35-40 people

[1:15:56] okay

[1:15:57] all right so

[1:15:59] it's about a hundred here and then also

[1:16:01] it's the case of um

[1:16:04] what we have available in contingency

[1:16:07] and we're going to have another report

[1:16:09] on what travel expenses are going to

[1:16:11] look like and what we versus what we

[1:16:12] budgeted which is another impact on

[1:16:14] contingency so i just wanted to

[1:16:17] flag that so in terms of here though

[1:16:20] it's the case of

[1:16:22] there's two things is let's just

[1:16:24] separate them then

[1:16:26] and focus on recognizing our committee

[1:16:28] volunteer did i miss you okay this is

[1:16:31] where someone who sees you needs to say

[1:16:33] point of order

[1:16:34] and i'll say what is it counselor saint

[1:16:36] beer oh counselor elijahness had his

[1:16:38] hand up okay sorry please speak

[1:16:41] i was

[1:16:43] i'm used to it

[1:16:44] um i was just going to suggest maybe um

[1:16:47] we could do something at the celebrate

[1:16:50] souq event

[1:16:51] and what celebrates well okay

[1:16:54] um canada day then if that's what we're

[1:16:56] doing we could just invite the

[1:16:59] volunteers to come show up at a certain

[1:17:01] time and

[1:17:03] give them a

[1:17:05] district of soup water bottle or

[1:17:07] something

[1:17:11] because that would be a venue there

[1:17:12] would be people there there'd be an

[1:17:14] audience and and

[1:17:17] that might work

[1:17:19] it might having been on that stage many

[1:17:22] times

[1:17:23] there's a big crowd that grows as you

[1:17:25] approach the end of speeches and the

[1:17:26] cunning of the cake mirrors

[1:17:28] so

[1:17:31] you know because there's other things

[1:17:32] happening in the background i'm just

[1:17:33] saying what i've seen from

[1:17:35] standing there

[1:17:43] oh i might not be able to cut a cake

[1:17:45] yeah the big covered cake okay so okay

[1:17:47] we'll just leave

[1:17:49] the coke okay so let's

[1:17:51] let's just focus here because

[1:17:54] that's just taking

[1:17:57] you know the whole point of we want to

[1:17:59] recognize our volunteers that set on our

[1:18:01] committees

[1:18:02] so

[1:18:03] that's what the intent of this report is

[1:18:05] to do and which option are we exploring

[1:18:07] here so i think we need a bit more

[1:18:10] on the numbers the venue at mcgregor

[1:18:13] park our park makes a lot of sense um i

[1:18:16] think we can get a pa system there the

[1:18:19] other pieces are there there's a

[1:18:20] washroom there and so forth

[1:18:23] uh and and then to find a date there so

[1:18:26] probably a sunday afternoon seems to be

[1:18:28] what would work because it would be

[1:18:31] let's not

[1:18:32] collide with the fling though

[1:18:35] and then the second piece would be

[1:18:37] information on

[1:18:39] the community recognition event

[1:18:41] and

[1:18:43] how that is done and if we're able to do

[1:18:45] it the timing for that is very

[1:18:48] slim which is unfortunate

[1:18:51] can i just clarify so if it's i think

[1:18:54] what counselor bateman was saying along

[1:18:56] the lines where there was only four

[1:18:57] people recognized perhaps that was

[1:18:59] something

[1:19:00] that we could have a third party

[1:19:02] evaluate but it is more people putting

[1:19:04] in submissions for kind of lifetime

[1:19:06] achievement sort of thing with respect

[1:19:09] to volunteer is that like

[1:19:11] the direction that we're thinking that

[1:19:13] needs to go

[1:19:15] yeah and that's where we i we would mean

[1:19:17] more intel behind that process

[1:19:20] on what it was i remember just two

[1:19:24] nominators maybe

[1:19:26] nominating somebody for for an award but

[1:19:29] i could be

[1:19:30] confusing that with other awards

[1:19:33] programs that i've been through over the

[1:19:36] last few years of which i've sat through

[1:19:38] four of them so this is where the

[1:19:40] processes just need to be clear but in

[1:19:42] that case

[1:19:43] from what i would call it was somebody

[1:19:46] honoring

[1:19:47] so and so for the many contributions

[1:19:49] they do towards our community and then

[1:19:50] there were the four volunteers and i

[1:19:52] think even the bigger one at the

[1:19:54] community hall there was maybe a dozen

[1:19:56] people there was a lot of family

[1:19:58] presence so the community hall was

[1:20:00] certainly full that day but there was

[1:20:02] about a dozen

[1:20:03] honorees

[1:20:06] that day

[1:20:07] and so they were different it wasn't a

[1:20:10] think the committee volunteer it was

[1:20:12] specific to community recognition awards

[1:20:17] but that's where i was never certain who

[1:20:19] the selection panel was and when i asked

[1:20:21] i was told well that's

[1:20:24] nobody knows who the selection committee

[1:20:26] was so that's why i don't know it was

[1:20:28] meant to be discreet

[1:20:33] okay so i think maybe what we'll do then

[1:20:36] is just can we refer this report back to

[1:20:39] staff

[1:20:40] okay i'll just get some more miss

[1:20:42] michelle is typing

[1:20:44] just watch her type at the same time

[1:20:51] yes counselor sink here would this be

[1:20:54] first have to look at the mcgregor

[1:20:55] option is that the idea

[1:20:57] i'm just waiting to see what she

[1:21:07] but i think ed mcgregor would be

[1:21:11] a nice location doable

[1:21:14] that's kind of the intent of the park

[1:21:16] it's a beautiful setting and undercover

[1:21:18] space

[1:21:20] whereas this one will be undergoing

[1:21:23] and parking

[1:21:24] well it'll be

[1:21:26] under construction like as it is now i

[1:21:28] don't think it'll be done by that

[1:21:45] almost

[1:21:59] okay so the council direct staff to

[1:22:07] bring forward a report with specifics

[1:22:09] regarding a community volunteer event at

[1:22:11] mcgregor park in july and that council

[1:22:14] direct staff to bring ford a report with

[1:22:15] additional information regarding a

[1:22:17] community volunteer recognition program

[1:22:19] including the nomination and selection

[1:22:21] process

[1:22:22] yeah so moved by councillor bateman

[1:22:26] seconded by councillor st pierre

[1:22:29] motion any

[1:22:30] nope no nothing to motivate on

[1:22:33] okay councillor saint pierre

[1:22:36] okay anything from anyone else

[1:22:40] so it's nothing to do with canada day or

[1:22:42] celebrate soup we'll just get specifics

[1:22:44] to do this

[1:22:45] okay i'll call the question then all in

[1:22:47] favor please

[1:22:49] anyone opposed it's unanimous thank you

[1:22:51] everyone good discussion

[1:22:55] okay

[1:22:57] bylaws section

[1:22:59] uh we are on to 10.1

[1:23:03] and so this one here

[1:23:05] we're in adoption here is that council

[1:23:07] adopt the bylaws cited a zoning

[1:23:09] amendment bylaw number 818 600-88 2021

[1:23:14] it's moved by councillor

[1:23:16] st pierre and seconded by councillor

[1:23:18] bateman

[1:23:20] all those in favor

[1:23:22] and that's unanimous thank you

[1:23:25] the next part is 10.2 and that is that

[1:23:27] council adopt the bylaws cited as suit

[1:23:29] course sewer

[1:23:31] suit course sewer specified area

[1:23:33] amendment bylaw number 838

[1:23:35] 147-43 2022

[1:23:38] and that's moved by councillor st pierre

[1:23:40] and seconded by councillor elijah ness

[1:23:43] all of us in favor

[1:23:45] and that's unanimous thank you

[1:23:48] and 10.3

[1:23:51] that is that council adopt the bylaws

[1:23:53] cited as fees and charges amendment

[1:23:55] bylaw number 839-752-05-2022

[1:24:00] moved by councillor saint pierre and

[1:24:02] seconded by councillor lajness

[1:24:05] all those in favor

[1:24:08] spanish thank you

[1:24:11] pardon

[1:24:13] no

[1:24:14] it's already gone through readings in a

[1:24:16] public hearing

[1:24:19] okay fine what would you like to make

[1:24:22] uh i tend to agree with the uh one

[1:24:23] comment that this is actually a very

[1:24:25] high cost for example for seniors that i

[1:24:27] tend to have these older systems the oil

[1:24:29] tanks specifically

[1:24:30] if we can actually investigate means by

[1:24:32] which

[1:24:33] that could be

[1:24:36] changed in some way or helped in any way

[1:24:37] that'd be wonderful whether there's

[1:24:39] grants available elsewhere

[1:24:40] because 80 an hour to move a tank

[1:24:43] when it's already costing you a fortune

[1:24:44] to burn that oil is hard

[1:24:46] okay so what i will recommend is because

[1:24:49] that item was not what motivated the

[1:24:51] changes to the fees and bylaw like it

[1:24:53] was just the case where the table was

[1:24:55] included i suggest a notice of motion

[1:24:59] yes well we have it's adopted but just

[1:25:02] to your point there um because that

[1:25:04] would require a bit more than sort of

[1:25:06] what we have there is i would recommend

[1:25:08] drafting a notice of motion and then

[1:25:10] that would yeah but right now it's not

[1:25:14] why this was put in front of us so a

[1:25:16] notice of motion that comes forward

[1:25:18] would enable that more fulsome

[1:25:20] conversation to have

[1:25:22] okay that's what i would suggest there

[1:25:25] okay 10.4

[1:25:27] excuse me um we just need to wrap that

[1:25:30] up he called the question but we didn't

[1:25:32] finalize the vote

[1:25:33] well that was unanimous thank you

[1:25:38] okay 10.4

[1:25:41] density bonusing over to staff please

[1:25:47] thank you excuse me thank you

[1:25:49] so this is coming forward you recall

[1:25:52] at the last council meeting staff

[1:25:53] brought forward a uh a list of uh text

[1:25:56] amendments uh proposed for the zoning

[1:25:58] bylaw this was additional items that we

[1:26:01] had flagged internally and also

[1:26:03] presented to

[1:26:04] the land use and development committee

[1:26:06] on february 16th it was supported by

[1:26:09] that committee

[1:26:11] and what it's proposing is to

[1:26:14] amend the density provisions section of

[1:26:16] the zoning bylaw to include

[1:26:18] a 10 units per hectare incentive

[1:26:21] currently the way the bylaws

[1:26:24] read it allows for if 80 or more of the

[1:26:27] concealed parking is provided on the

[1:26:29] site the applicant could potentially

[1:26:32] benefit from having a 10 percent

[1:26:34] maximum site increase

[1:26:37] for coverage or an additional story

[1:26:40] what we found is

[1:26:41] that's not being utilized and the

[1:26:43] general feedback is there's no incentive

[1:26:46] to do so there's more cost of materials

[1:26:48] if you're going to build a larger site

[1:26:50] whether it's vertically or across the

[1:26:53] property then there needs to be another

[1:26:55] incentive

[1:26:56] through our research it was noted back

[1:26:58] in the 2006 zoning bylaw that a 10 units

[1:27:01] per hectare incentive was included as

[1:27:04] part of this

[1:27:05] staff were not sure why during the 2011

[1:27:08] uh amendment to this that that portion

[1:27:10] was removed and then subsequently

[1:27:12] followed through again with our current

[1:27:14] uh 2013 zoning bylaw

[1:27:17] so based on that uh staff is proposing

[1:27:20] that that incentive be reintroduced

[1:27:22] also note that the decrease of the 10

[1:27:25] lot coverage down to 5 is a result that

[1:27:28] our zones also increase their maximum

[1:27:30] lot coverage so to coincide with a

[1:27:33] larger lot coverage per zone it would

[1:27:35] only make more sense to

[1:27:37] reduce that lot coverage incentive down

[1:27:39] to five percent so previously it may

[1:27:41] have been a maximum lot coverage in that

[1:27:43] zone 50 percent

[1:27:46] now we have lot coverages of a maximum

[1:27:48] of 70 or 80 percent so just by virtue of

[1:27:51] that zone alone we've already allowed a

[1:27:53] much larger maximum site coverage for

[1:27:56] that

[1:27:57] so those are the specific uh reasons why

[1:27:59] we want to reintroduce this we feel it

[1:28:01] would provide some incentive to the

[1:28:03] development community to include

[1:28:06] concealed parking if they saw another

[1:28:07] benefit like additional units

[1:28:10] for their development as well we thought

[1:28:12] this was timely because there is also a

[1:28:13] cost savings that we can advertise this

[1:28:16] along with the

[1:28:17] other

[1:28:18] zoning obama bylaw amendment that i had

[1:28:20] mentioned from

[1:28:21] the last council meeting and then host

[1:28:23] the public hearing on the same night as

[1:28:24] well

[1:28:26] so that concludes my summary on this

[1:28:28] item

[1:28:29] thank you mr pelo can you just restate

[1:28:32] the part um

[1:28:39] i almost got it where you were saying

[1:28:42] that

[1:28:45] we've allowed greater lot coverage

[1:28:49] but didn't do something else

[1:28:52] we didn't provide another incentive so

[1:28:54] what we're saying is you can provide the

[1:28:56] 80

[1:28:57] or more of your parking being

[1:28:59] underground concealed in some format but

[1:29:01] there's a cost associated with that so

[1:29:03] what additional benefit is a developer

[1:29:05] getting by adding those additional

[1:29:07] construction costs to building that

[1:29:11] underground parking well if they can get

[1:29:13] more units per hectare there's you know

[1:29:14] potentially additional sales

[1:29:16] that would be associated with an

[1:29:18] increased density in their development

[1:29:20] so that's that's what the incentive is

[1:29:21] they have more units to rent or sell to

[1:29:24] uh to the future

[1:29:26] homeowner in that rare but we had

[1:29:28] something in place in the old zoning

[1:29:30] bylaw that

[1:29:32] was an incentive this this very

[1:29:35] amendment that we're bringing we're

[1:29:36] essentially reintroducing what existed

[1:29:38] in the 2006 zoning bylaw

[1:29:42] and for whatever reason we're unclear as

[1:29:44] to why in the 2011 and 2013 zoning bile

[1:29:48] auditions that was removed we can't seem

[1:29:50] to find record as to why that was done

[1:29:52] but the lot coverage remained the same

[1:29:54] so the lot coverage increased

[1:29:57] but then the incentive disappeared

[1:30:00] that's correct so that's also

[1:30:02] a strange reasoning why the why the

[1:30:04] incentive was removed but also the lot

[1:30:06] coverage was also increased i'm not sure

[1:30:08] what the what the logic was considered

[1:30:10] at that time

[1:30:11] okay there's there's one p it just

[1:30:13] something's missing there for me but i

[1:30:16] don't maybe it's that

[1:30:19] possib possibly uh but yeah we're we're

[1:30:21] unable to to determine why this

[1:30:24] incentive which is clearly something

[1:30:26] that we see as a benefit to to an

[1:30:28] applicant to provide

[1:30:30] um in addition to concealing that

[1:30:33] parking

[1:30:35] counselor st pierre

[1:30:37] uh we had a few speakers from the public

[1:30:39] that uh spoke specifically to this item

[1:30:42] and at the time i didn't have a resp i

[1:30:44] didn't want to respond

[1:30:46] at that time in any sort of an

[1:30:47] adversarial way but i do want to uh to

[1:30:50] explain why i believe that density is

[1:30:53] actually important in terms of

[1:30:55] addressing our emissions

[1:30:56] because one of our goals is to actually

[1:30:58] increase density but it's not always

[1:30:59] clear to the public

[1:31:00] why density would actually decrease our

[1:31:02] emissions

[1:31:03] and the reasons are that by having

[1:31:06] density we're actually discouraging

[1:31:07] urban sprawl which means they're

[1:31:08] actually affecting less of the habitat

[1:31:11] that's available elsewhere so we have

[1:31:13] more room for people

[1:31:14] but we're not actually having urban

[1:31:16] sprawl we're making better use of our

[1:31:17] infrastructure means we don't need to

[1:31:19] build additional wastewater pre-implants

[1:31:21] rip up the roads to put in bigger pipes

[1:31:23] or pour more concrete for all the rest

[1:31:24] of that stuff and have more concrete to

[1:31:26] sidewalks

[1:31:27] so simply by putting more people to a

[1:31:28] smaller area we're using less concrete

[1:31:30] in all sorts of other ways

[1:31:32] so it i mean it's obviously you need to

[1:31:34] account for the concrete you need to

[1:31:35] account for emissions but you also need

[1:31:37] to account for those things

[1:31:39] density in the public also allows us to

[1:31:40] have a thriving local economy where you

[1:31:43] can actually have more retail more

[1:31:44] businesses more places to walk to from

[1:31:47] places where we have more people that

[1:31:48] actually allows us to reach our goals of

[1:31:50] having a pedestrian friendly community

[1:31:52] with jobs that are locally available

[1:31:54] that allow people not to commute not

[1:31:55] emit those ghgs

[1:31:57] so in answer to why do we want density

[1:31:59] and why is it a good thing

[1:32:01] for all those reasons and many more that

[1:32:02] i won't get into right now

[1:32:04] but density this is not just just

[1:32:06] something that we're doing to help

[1:32:08] developers

[1:32:09] we actually want developers to create

[1:32:10] more density to help us in reaching our

[1:32:13] climate goals

[1:32:14] so i just wanted to you know kind of

[1:32:15] push that out there because obviously

[1:32:17] that message has not been made clear to

[1:32:19] the public

[1:32:20] thus far and it's it's kind of

[1:32:21] unfortunate thank you

[1:32:23] thank you councillor st pierre

[1:32:25] councillor elijah knows

[1:32:28] yeah so in your report your reference

[1:32:31] that we might want to go to a floor area

[1:32:34] ratio calculation as well and i like

[1:32:37] that calculation because it's a simple

[1:32:39] one

[1:32:41] and

[1:32:42] in the

[1:32:43] the draft ocp

[1:32:45] we have floor area ratios referenced in

[1:32:49] there so are we not already

[1:32:51] moving in that direction

[1:32:55] excellent question yes that is

[1:32:57] one proposed route but until the

[1:32:59] official community plan has been

[1:33:01] adopted uh and then at that time staff

[1:33:04] would bring forward the necessary

[1:33:05] amendments to the zoning bylaw to also

[1:33:07] bring it into compliance i think we'd

[1:33:09] want to have a little bit more

[1:33:10] consultation on the whole zoning bylaw

[1:33:13] package as we see

[1:33:15] it coming into compliance with our

[1:33:17] official community plan but yes that

[1:33:18] that is

[1:33:19] the route that we are proposing uh right

[1:33:21] now in the current uh

[1:33:24] official community plan that uh the

[1:33:26] council will see for first reading

[1:33:30] so so what we're looking at now is an

[1:33:33] interim

[1:33:34] solution

[1:33:36] what we're looking at is a opportunity

[1:33:39] to introduce a

[1:33:41] incentive

[1:33:43] that we feel the development community

[1:33:44] could take advantage of we can further

[1:33:47] elaborate on that through

[1:33:49] floor area ratio once we begin to

[1:33:52] establish that as our preferred method

[1:33:54] for calculating density

[1:34:06] i'm not sure there's a question here so

[1:34:08] i should not

[1:34:10] no statements at this point no there's

[1:34:12] no motion only questions okay

[1:34:16] okay

[1:34:17] question

[1:34:22] okay so that would be that council give

[1:34:24] first and second reading to zoning

[1:34:26] amendment bylaw number 840 600-90 2022

[1:34:30] and that council direct staff to

[1:34:32] schedule a public hearing for zoning

[1:34:34] amendment bylaw number 840 600-90 2022

[1:34:37] in accordance with section 466 of the

[1:34:39] local government act moved by councillor

[1:34:41] st pierre seconded by councillor bay

[1:34:44] comment

[1:34:48] not at this time good discussion at the

[1:34:50] committee level thank you

[1:34:51] thank you councillor bateman

[1:34:53] and i agree i should likely save this

[1:34:55] for the public hearing but just the

[1:34:57] comment would be um you know our town

[1:34:59] center is already quite heavily uh

[1:35:03] um a lot of parking lot space in the

[1:35:06] town center so our our future definitely

[1:35:08] we need to have underground parking and

[1:35:11] um

[1:35:13] i think some of the creative solutions

[1:35:15] that

[1:35:16] ms belford raised tonight are good i

[1:35:18] mean car shares

[1:35:20] i think these are cited in the ocp

[1:35:23] um

[1:35:24] the transportation demand management the

[1:35:26] bus passes and this new thought i hadn't

[1:35:30] thought of this decoupling the cost of a

[1:35:32] unit

[1:35:33] minus parking but that would be

[1:35:35] something for the

[1:35:36] developer to consider as a way to

[1:35:38] attract

[1:35:40] anyway

[1:35:42] i look forward to the public hearing

[1:35:44] thank you councillor bateman councillor

[1:35:46] meadows yeah i just i wasn't going to

[1:35:48] comment but i will now um

[1:35:50] i i did appreciate mrs belford's

[1:35:53] comments and they're all wonderful ideas

[1:35:56] but i guess the

[1:35:57] reality of the next 10 15 years we're

[1:36:00] going to still have a tremendous amount

[1:36:02] of cars in suit

[1:36:03] hopefully electric

[1:36:05] and we go that way so i think in the

[1:36:08] next while uh

[1:36:09] you know putting them underground i'd be

[1:36:11] very happy to see that so

[1:36:14] unfortunately we're still going to need

[1:36:15] cars and hopefully we can park them

[1:36:17] underground thank you

[1:36:20] and and just to that point

[1:36:22] um you know having done property

[1:36:25] management and and or been a renter in

[1:36:27] my time i didn't always get a parking

[1:36:29] spot

[1:36:30] so i've rented from owners

[1:36:33] who didn't have parking as an option

[1:36:36] available uh didn't come with the suite

[1:36:38] so at the time it wasn't an issue until

[1:36:41] i got a car and then i had to find a

[1:36:43] place to park it

[1:36:44] and then other times when someone

[1:36:47] usually when a building is built the

[1:36:49] condo owners would own would get to

[1:36:52] decide what their parking is maybe

[1:36:54] there's one or two and they pay more for

[1:36:56] that particular one in their unit

[1:36:59] uh then if they go to rent it they can

[1:37:01] market it accordingly but in some cases

[1:37:03] it's it's up to the ownership group on

[1:37:06] who chooses to buy as to whether or not

[1:37:08] parking

[1:37:09] and they pay for it like you pay for it

[1:37:11] so it is

[1:37:12] part of buying that unit

[1:37:17] and then

[1:37:18] others don't because they don't need one

[1:37:20] so that's kind of their call um

[1:37:24] but in some cases depending on the use

[1:37:26] on the main floor

[1:37:28] uh there could always be a requirement

[1:37:30] to have parking uh to meet the use and

[1:37:32] needs of humans

[1:37:37] anyway i look forward to the public

[1:37:39] hearing too on this matter

[1:37:41] okay so i'll call the question all those

[1:37:43] in favor please

[1:37:44] and that's unanimous thank you i recall

[1:37:47] now that i didn't do the scheduled

[1:37:48] health break at 8 20.

[1:37:53] so

[1:37:57] okay we're okay

[1:37:59] everyone to carry on okay i'm not seeing

[1:38:01] in

[1:38:03] i'm not seeing any new business uh no no

[1:38:06] correspondence so council verbal

[1:38:12] i don't know

[1:38:13] it depends on what you're doing

[1:38:16] uh we had correspondence from uh i

[1:38:18] didn't see it in the correspondence

[1:38:19] package from lynn west uh with regards

[1:38:22] to firework damage and i realized that i

[1:38:23] didn't understand

[1:38:25] um what our own regulations with regards

[1:38:27] to fireworks were so is that course is

[1:38:29] that correspondence on tonight's no it

[1:38:31] wasn't okay so um

[1:38:35] i was hoping that we might be able to

[1:38:36] get a report or just information from

[1:38:38] staff when this does come up as to what

[1:38:40] our actual regulations are with regards

[1:38:42] to fireworks

[1:38:43] what we have that controls them do we

[1:38:45] have any controls in place that type of

[1:38:46] thing

[1:38:47] okay so we'll follow up for that i'm

[1:38:50] seeing a nod um

[1:38:52] and uh feel free to call chief writer in

[1:38:55] the meantime but the correspondence is

[1:38:57] making its way to us

[1:38:58] it's likely the cut off date that was it

[1:39:00] that's all okay

[1:39:02] well next time chief when it's on the

[1:39:04] agenda thank you

[1:39:05] okay okay turn off your microphone okay

[1:39:08] council reports

[1:39:12] i'm just reminding folks to turn off

[1:39:14] their microphone go ahead counts are

[1:39:15] better it's not really a committee but

[1:39:17] we did mention uh very briefly about

[1:39:19] canada day i can give you a bit of an

[1:39:21] update if you wish uh one is

[1:39:24] talking to a very

[1:39:26] good staff member here uh this she this

[1:39:29] person i won't mention her name

[1:39:31] suggested instead of cake that we do

[1:39:33] cupcakes because of cobit and i thought

[1:39:35] that was a marvelous idea and i think

[1:39:37] that's where we're probably gonna go

[1:39:40] just let you know that it's going before

[1:39:42] the community association

[1:39:44] tomorrow night at their meeting and once

[1:39:46] they get the okay

[1:39:49] then

[1:39:51] we'll proceed with

[1:39:52] the whole program

[1:39:55] the idea is that we

[1:39:57] my understanding

[1:39:59] is we're not going to go to an all-night

[1:40:01] event there will not be fireworks only

[1:40:03] because we can't get fireworks

[1:40:05] there's a shortage and even the nine

[1:40:08] o'clock gun in vancouver can't fire

[1:40:10] anymore because they can't get black

[1:40:12] powder

[1:40:13] so there's no guarantee that we get them

[1:40:15] so instead of going from

[1:40:17] noon or one o'clock to ten o'clock at

[1:40:20] night we're going to go from

[1:40:22] noon to six

[1:40:24] and have an abbreviated version uh the

[1:40:27] logging show will be there

[1:40:29] and it does involve a three thousand

[1:40:31] dollar deposit

[1:40:33] and uh

[1:40:34] if it's canceled by any of us they just

[1:40:38] keep it to the next time that they can

[1:40:39] show up at which they did the last time

[1:40:42] um so it'll be an abbreviated one uh we

[1:40:46] will be doing uh vips and honor guard

[1:40:49] and things like that

[1:40:50] so it is going to happen and i'm just

[1:40:53] tickled pink that we're going to have

[1:40:54] something in this community that we can

[1:40:56] celebrate although we will miss the

[1:40:58] fireworks but it might be something that

[1:41:00] i know the chief is looking into other

[1:41:03] venues for the fireworks for the future

[1:41:05] because of the fire hazards maybe do

[1:41:07] them over the harbor

[1:41:08] that's in his capable hands

[1:41:10] but

[1:41:11] it's moving ahead

[1:41:13] thank you counselor betos um

[1:41:15] and that makes sense

[1:41:17] really that might help save some money

[1:41:19] on costs

[1:41:21] uh yeah there is uh some thoughts about

[1:41:23] asking for more money but i think with

[1:41:26] the budget we have it'll be close uh we

[1:41:28] may be just fine uh you know we're not

[1:41:30] we don't have to hire security all night

[1:41:32] yeah uh the buses don't have to run uh

[1:41:35] that long still need a bus i suspect but

[1:41:37] uh you know it'll be paid for by the

[1:41:39] hour so uh there could be some cost

[1:41:41] savings and uh there's some pretty good

[1:41:43] consultant staff here that have

[1:41:45] experience putting events on and not

[1:41:48] just cupcakes but could be other good

[1:41:50] ideas there too

[1:41:52] no that's great because some you know in

[1:41:54] the past we have had challenges with the

[1:41:56] fireworks extreme

[1:41:58] weather events that prohibit us from

[1:42:01] discharging them with good reasons so we

[1:42:03] made that call

[1:42:05] and then it was

[1:42:06] brought to my attention that um when the

[1:42:09] uh the launch site moved across

[1:42:13] uh to the other side of the river that

[1:42:15] some of the embers might have damaged

[1:42:16] the all-weather field so the proximity

[1:42:19] to the field with the debris that falls

[1:42:21] um might be a challenge so it makes

[1:42:23] sense to actually look at what a better

[1:42:25] location would be

[1:42:27] and then just

[1:42:28] you know i sort of think with the

[1:42:30] weather trends

[1:42:32] maybe it'll be a flight of drones in the

[1:42:34] future

[1:42:35] that we're starting to see in various

[1:42:37] places because it's just impossible with

[1:42:40] the extreme weather to launch them

[1:42:45] still you know and so it's something

[1:42:47] just to we'll get more information on

[1:42:49] but that that's fine okay other updates

[1:42:53] counselor bateman sure um so very

[1:42:56] exciting on friday for the library

[1:42:58] opening um you know 7.5 million dollars

[1:43:01] and

[1:43:02] uh you walk in and you

[1:43:05] you know on friday afternoon it was

[1:43:07] filled with with

[1:43:08] young children and their parents and a

[1:43:11] lot of teenagers and

[1:43:13] a number of us old-timers sort of

[1:43:15] wandering around

[1:43:16] uh marveling at at um

[1:43:19] this modern library here in the heart of

[1:43:22] souk it was quite something

[1:43:25] [Music]

[1:43:26] there was also the coldest night of the

[1:43:28] year walk on saturday night which raised

[1:43:30] twenty one thousand dollars again this

[1:43:32] year for the sioux shelter society

[1:43:35] and the mayor and

[1:43:36] the shelter society's melanie cunningham

[1:43:39] did some opening remarks and the mayor

[1:43:41] made the good point that the colors this

[1:43:43] year

[1:43:44] of the the toque are yellow and blue and

[1:43:47] the ukraine right there so you bridge

[1:43:49] that because it was a

[1:43:51] you know the opening of the library and

[1:43:53] uh

[1:43:54] the coldest night of the year and the

[1:43:56] possible outbreak of world war iii all

[1:43:58] at once so

[1:44:00] kind of puts things in perspective

[1:44:04] i also you mentioned the guiding lights

[1:44:06] uh the the girl guides event which i as

[1:44:09] acting mayor i got to

[1:44:11] to um

[1:44:13] i don't know what i did i spoke and

[1:44:15] councillor betos was there and

[1:44:17] ms frobel from corporate services was

[1:44:19] there to switch on the light

[1:44:21] and among the things i said was i

[1:44:23] celebrated the fact that this council

[1:44:25] has

[1:44:26] three women

[1:44:28] as role models and examples of the

[1:44:30] possibilities

[1:44:32] for girls and women in this brave new

[1:44:33] world and i urge them all to identify

[1:44:36] and follow their various blisses and to

[1:44:38] effectively take no

[1:44:41] right

[1:44:43] and we were rewarded with all those

[1:44:44] cookies

[1:44:45] right

[1:44:46] a half dozen boxes most of which went

[1:44:48] into the staff

[1:44:50] lunchroom so hopefully

[1:44:52] oh

[1:44:54] they were devoured very rapidly

[1:44:57] and finally the climate action committee

[1:44:59] last week we were the

[1:45:02] amazing presentation by jack anderson i

[1:45:04] don't know are you going to speak to

[1:45:06] this

[1:45:06] council saying pierre no

[1:45:08] so uh jack anderson's with nanaimo based

[1:45:11] green plan and he brought forward the

[1:45:14] idea of the farm hamlet template which

[1:45:16] is a farm micro village

[1:45:19] basically

[1:45:20] by any other name and it's a place that

[1:45:23] provides housing solutions

[1:45:26] on farmland for farming families

[1:45:29] while improving community food security

[1:45:32] and

[1:45:33] so on a

[1:45:34] piece of land you would have on the

[1:45:36] piece that is the least

[1:45:38] uh

[1:45:40] arable no that's not the right word

[1:45:42] arable yes um that's where you would

[1:45:44] cluster a collection of

[1:45:46] permanent and temporary housing

[1:45:48] and um this would be truly affordable

[1:45:51] get people back on the land and and

[1:45:54] working and

[1:45:55] it's it's

[1:45:57] the proposed proposal will be coming to

[1:45:59] council

[1:46:00] um with a request for a staff report so

[1:46:02] the climate action committee approved

[1:46:04] that

[1:46:05] and the great thing here is mr anderson

[1:46:07] is backed by uh

[1:46:10] the

[1:46:11] consultants on this project include guy

[1:46:13] doncy

[1:46:14] um

[1:46:15] who we all know i believe and heather

[1:46:17] pritchard from farm folk city folk

[1:46:19] and a gentleman with quantum college in

[1:46:22] food security who actually lives here in

[1:46:24] sioux

[1:46:25] and

[1:46:26] ceo mckinnis and councillor st pierre

[1:46:29] have all

[1:46:30] it's quite an exciting project and it's

[1:46:32] a pilot project that

[1:46:34] is scalable to to small or larger farm

[1:46:38] settings and

[1:46:40] here in the 50th anniversary year of the

[1:46:43] agricultural land commission it's it's a

[1:46:45] really brave bold new

[1:46:47] solution to

[1:46:49] a number of issues

[1:46:51] so

[1:46:54] thank you councilor bateman councillor

[1:46:56] largeness

[1:46:59] yeah um

[1:47:01] the

[1:47:02] uh

[1:47:03] climate action committee the jack

[1:47:05] anderson's presentation i was thoroughly

[1:47:08] impressed with that as well and also

[1:47:10] with

[1:47:11] our climate action coordinator and her

[1:47:13] presentation i thought was was great as

[1:47:16] well

[1:47:17] um

[1:47:19] i

[1:47:20] met with the

[1:47:23] community act dev committee last week

[1:47:26] where

[1:47:27] ms carrollsfeld also presented

[1:47:32] on

[1:47:33] metrics and tools for green business and

[1:47:35] souk

[1:47:37] and we also had an

[1:47:40] excellent presentation from jonathan

[1:47:43] dick and sandra richardson from victoria

[1:47:46] foundation and vital signs

[1:47:49] was very encouraging and the work that

[1:47:51] they do is just

[1:47:52] amazing i didn't take very good notes i

[1:47:55] can't tell you too much about it

[1:47:58] but

[1:48:00] and i also visited the library on the

[1:48:04] weekend and just was thoroughly

[1:48:06] impressed with the quality of

[1:48:08] construction and it's just a beautiful

[1:48:11] space and i think i'm going to be

[1:48:13] spending quite a bit of time there

[1:48:17] and other than that i just want to

[1:48:19] um

[1:48:21] say that my thoughts are with the people

[1:48:23] of ukraine and all of europe actually

[1:48:26] and i have and with russia as well i

[1:48:29] have a lot of russian friends

[1:48:32] and what's happening there is not

[1:48:36] the russian people it's one lunatic

[1:48:38] that's that's causing all the grief

[1:48:40] there and

[1:48:42] so i don't want people to

[1:48:45] um

[1:48:46] think badly of the russian people

[1:48:49] because they're not in favor of what's

[1:48:51] happening either

[1:48:54] that's it

[1:48:55] thank you councillor lajness

[1:48:57] uh just to close myself um i was on the

[1:49:02] selection committee uh for the order of

[1:49:05] bc a couple of years ago

[1:49:08] and so the event there was a virtual

[1:49:10] recognition of the

[1:49:12] of the recipients a couple of years ago

[1:49:14] but the event itself was postponed and

[1:49:16] delayed due to count due to covet

[1:49:18] obviously but it's actually going ahead

[1:49:20] this thursday so they're putting them

[1:49:23] uh together at at government house

[1:49:26] uh so i'll have the opportunity to

[1:49:28] attend that event uh in person which

[1:49:31] will be really nice to think about what

[1:49:33] to wear it's kind of been a while right

[1:49:35] uh and then also i'm on the bc

[1:49:38] achievement award so this is where i'm

[1:49:40] sort of confusing the selection and

[1:49:43] processes together because just what's

[1:49:45] on my mind at the moment

[1:49:47] but it's inspiring work

[1:49:49] to read through all of the nominees and

[1:49:51] just to see how

[1:49:53] folks are making a difference in their

[1:49:55] respective communities this is for bc

[1:49:58] and then my role is to pick out the top

[1:50:00] 40 which is proving to be nearly

[1:50:02] impossible because

[1:50:04] there's it's just amazing work that's

[1:50:06] occurring it's very inspiring

[1:50:09] um

[1:50:10] one thing i do have coming up on

[1:50:12] international women's days i might have

[1:50:14] shared with you my involvement with un

[1:50:16] habitat and the urban development group

[1:50:18] so they're doing a two-day session

[1:50:21] north america women and

[1:50:24] and urban

[1:50:26] sustainability goals so i'll be one of

[1:50:28] the speakers

[1:50:30] on the second day

[1:50:31] and it's always fascinating just as i

[1:50:33] look through the program and who will be

[1:50:35] speaking so

[1:50:37] there's um because it's in ontario there

[1:50:39] are a lot of folks from ontario

[1:50:41] including the lieutenant governor there

[1:50:44] uh followed by different mps and so

[1:50:47] forth but there's a speaker coming from

[1:50:49] mexico that'll be talking about the

[1:50:51] feminist approach in the mexican content

[1:50:54] member of parliament from winnipeg

[1:50:57] several from different treaty nations

[1:51:01] uh the canadian center for women's

[1:51:03] empowerment and so forth so it's it's

[1:51:05] it's all on zoom which sometimes has its

[1:51:08] challenges but um

[1:51:10] again it's always very exciting for me

[1:51:12] though this means my day starts at 5 30

[1:51:14] because i'm always like is that pacific

[1:51:15] time no my it's eastern time as we

[1:51:18] always tell you but

[1:51:20] i'm like that's okay it's it's an early

[1:51:22] start so that's coming up in something

[1:51:24] um

[1:51:25] you know i i find the work expiring

[1:51:27] uh lovely for the library to open and

[1:51:29] look forward to that grand opening event

[1:51:31] i think they're just still finalizing

[1:51:32] the time i believe

[1:51:34] march 26th at 1 pm it has been finalized

[1:51:37] at 1 pm okay good i was going to ask

[1:51:39] that and then just timely with the souk

[1:51:42] shelter walk because

[1:51:45] after i

[1:51:46] parted ways i went to get takeout in

[1:51:48] route 14 and there was a bit of a queue

[1:51:50] outside and so the folks waiting to go

[1:51:53] inside or the folks sitting in the

[1:51:54] window and looking out would see like

[1:51:56] gaggles of small groups going by

[1:51:59] and so many thought it was a a walk uh

[1:52:03] to support the ukraine so then someone

[1:52:05] said to me well why are they not all

[1:52:07] together and it keeps breaking up into

[1:52:09] groups like what i just left it right

[1:52:11] because

[1:52:12] like i don't want to say that i'm

[1:52:14] eavesdropping but it's fine and and a

[1:52:16] lot of people were also giving that

[1:52:18] support so i think that was important as

[1:52:20] well

[1:52:21] uh we have over a million

[1:52:24] uh folks with ukraine heritage within

[1:52:26] our country i'm not sure how many in

[1:52:27] suit but of course we're all touched by

[1:52:29] this

[1:52:30] and i find the events um

[1:52:33] very alarming and and

[1:52:35] worrisome for sure i think it's a

[1:52:37] frightening time right now so i try to

[1:52:40] keep the conversation light at home but

[1:52:42] of course it's with us all the time so

[1:52:44] my thoughts of course as well and i

[1:52:46] agree with you there's some really good

[1:52:48] people in russia that are terrified

[1:52:50] about what's happening here there's

[1:52:52] there's no doubt about that

[1:52:54] okay council thank you all i'm our

[1:52:57] member of the public that stayed with us

[1:52:59] mr mcinnis thank you worship i just want

[1:53:01] to mention that uh we were able to

[1:53:04] source a uh ukraine flag today it will

[1:53:07] be here tomorrow

[1:53:09] our flag policy

[1:53:12] section for courtesy flags it doesn't

[1:53:15] necessarily directly fit but

[1:53:17] i think we're going to put this under a

[1:53:20] district event and that does give the

[1:53:22] ceo and the mayor some latitude so

[1:53:24] there's no objection uh we'll replace

[1:53:27] the district's uh flag with the ukraine

[1:53:30] flag uh sometime tomorrow for a period

[1:53:32] of time

[1:53:33] thank you very much norm thank you for

[1:53:35] getting on that so quickly i um and

[1:53:37] thanks to jennifer for her work today

[1:53:40] and sourcing that real quickly and

[1:53:41] having it delivered tomorrow

[1:53:43] that's great because i thought oh i

[1:53:45] should have i should have

[1:53:47] mentioned that friday because by monday

[1:53:49] they're all

[1:53:50] they're going to be very hard to find

[1:53:52] but i'm glad you found one no that'll be

[1:53:53] great thank you for that

[1:53:56] okay so on that note folks um be well

[1:53:59] i'll call now for a motion to adjourn

[1:54:01] please move by counselor saint pierre

[1:54:03] seconded by councillor elijah nass

[1:54:06] see there it's like this needs to be a

[1:54:08] little narrower because like you can't

[1:54:09] see

[1:54:10] i can't i can't see you all and honestly

[1:54:12] like this like you start to get motion

[1:54:15] sickness after like i'm getting dizzy

[1:54:17] which is why i tend for a while i need

[1:54:19] to just look in one direction so i'm not

[1:54:21] trying to ignore you

[1:54:23] but

[1:54:24] i just make a noise it it makes me a bit

[1:54:27] ill like it's just the way it goes so i

[1:54:29] don't need to leave anyone out i just

[1:54:31] can't

[1:54:33] see that way that's all anyway okay call

[1:54:36] the question on german all in favor

[1:54:38] that's unanimous thank you everyone

[1:54:40] thank you

Regular Council - 28 Feb 2022

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