[0:00] Good evening and welcome to the town of Trumble, water pollution, patrol authority.

[0:07] The mission meeting of September 23rd, 2026, and I'd ask the clerk to call the roll, please.

[0:16] Frank, Frank, Neri?

[0:17] President.

[0:18] John Break.

[0:20] Bruce Elstein.

[0:22] You're.

[0:23] Nancy Walkley.

[0:27] With that, we have some old business. We have to approve the minutes from the

[0:33] last week that Margaret sent around, a motion in a second. Please remove that.

[0:49] We'll have a

[0:51] raise it hand. Nancy, you'll have to excuse yourself for this vote, but you're lower.

[0:58] All right, Margaret had passed.

[1:03] So, girl, what's the good news with the Whitney Ammonie

[1:06] Well, we had another break on 9.11.

[1:13] We had be called out burns, burns came to fix it.

[1:16] We were actually in and out of there in a relatively short time.

[1:23] We were roughly seven hours of labor.

[1:28] We, we have a tentative bill, but it's not finalized yet.

[1:32] but it's approximately 12,500 but the finalized bill, they didn't send us a bill,

[1:44] but it wasn't quite the board, I'd like to see it. So wait until next month to vote on it.

[1:53] Any bill, is there any discharge? So there was about a hundred gallons. It was really, we

[2:00] What it really quick, actually, one of our staff members of the DPW Rich and Ponti was at the dentist's office when he came out and saw it.

[2:12] All right, so we actually responded pretty quickly.

[2:17] I've asked right peers to put together a plan to line that pipe so that we can, you know, the alternate location for the alternate pipe.

[2:30] It's too far down the road, we can't keep going like this, we need to at least repair the one line and line it.

[2:39] Like from Main Street down to where all these brakes are within like 500 feet.

[2:50] So is that you talking about the area from Main Street down to where the trail crosses?

[2:53] No, no, not down Whitney. No, not at this point. I mean, I think all these, all these

[3:02] repairs have been pretty much from the end of old Broadway, a couple hundred feet of

[3:11] South of Juanita, almost the same Joe's manor. I see, on the industry. Yes. Okay. So we're

[3:22] work it on put together a plan to at least line that section and put an air vent and all

[3:28] of these brakes have been, you know, pin hole sizes in the top of the pipe, you know,

[3:34] anywhere from a pin hole up to about a nickel one, you know, it's air bubbles in there

[3:42] compressing against the cast iron and eventually pops a hole.

[3:47] So there's no issue with the stream with the pecanic.

[3:51] No, that was the way it should.

[3:53] No, okay. That's what I was really concerned about.

[3:55] Okay, fine.

[4:00] That is slated for some capital improvement replacement, right?

[4:06] Yeah, we have, we have some money in our capital plan for that.

[4:13] Okay.

[4:14] Frank, just to, I just want to fill Nancy in quickly.

[4:17] She's new here just to, you know, Nancy,

[4:19] they've been an ongoing series throughout the last.

[4:22] But you're to two, Bill.

[4:24] Yeah, two years plus.

[4:27] With three years probably now, various breaks and ruptures in our infrastructure, requiring emergency repairs, all hours of the day and night, and this is yet another one, so we have some aging pipes basically, just being old.

[4:49] But it has some other problems, and it's got some air pockets that,

[4:57] in Bill Capri, explained it better, but they accentuate the degradation of the pipe.

[5:05] And this is the pump station down at the trail, the head of the trail at Whitney Avenue.

[5:11] Yeah, that brick building and it pumps it up the hill, then runs down Main Street and then

[5:19] down by the firehouse, I think it converts to gravity and goes, it goes to a, it goes across

[5:28] country, it goes down along the horse tavern broke and then it actually ends up at a sunnydale at the

[5:38] of me in a room station just outside the wall.

[5:43] So our system enters Bridgeport in two places.

[5:48] The majority is at the Bayersley bomb station.

[5:52] You could see it off of White Plains Road

[5:54] on the right as you approach it in any other one.

[5:57] I don't know exactly where it is.

[5:59] Bill knows it's after the mall somewhere.

[6:02] It's a gravity station, in other words,

[6:05] it's not pumped, and we meter it. We meter it at both places and then they you'll learn

[6:13] that we pay. So we don't pay Bridgeport by metering. We pay Bridgeport only if we go over a certain

[6:20] slow rate. So we'd love to pay by meter that they're not going to let us.

[6:27] All right, so we get the bill. He'll be looking for money. You can probably get him paid pretty quickly once it's approved.

[6:40] Sorry,

[6:45] but down I'm going to go to the old business.

[6:49] So class meeting, Nancy,

[6:53] on Tambar Road, which is far up Booth Hill, for there is a section

[7:02] of sewer that went in as part of what Bill, the Jog Hill project, yes, correct.

[7:08] Yeah, so it was one of the last major sewer projects in town.

[7:13] We had a pass through a short distance on Shelton streets.

[7:18] And it's part of that.

[7:22] And that's something we're going to discuss tonight.

[7:24] As part of that is.

[7:27] Laterals were put in.

[7:29] Thank you for watching.

[7:30] Shelton, homeowner. So there's about 11 Shelton homeowners, as best I can determine from reading the old records that Margaret and Gruse found that as part of us being able to go through Shelton streets.

[7:45] And it's only a very short distance. We, we provided access for 11 homes. And for them to connect, they'll have to pay the sewer assessment.

[8:03] And I don't think I don't think they pay a hook up fear or not, but they definitely have to pay for the sewer assessment, which is a little complicated and will ask council to apply it on that.

[8:14] the real issue that we have here is about three meetings ago, three months ago,

[8:22] we passed a regulation that no outside,

[8:26] anybody outside of town a trouble can hook into our system. And that's more in line with what

[8:33] Bridgeport, Bridgeport used to let us bring people from outside. They would go to the Bridgeport's

[8:39] or a police patrol authority meeting, ask permission,

[8:42] and then come to us and say,

[8:44] I have permission to hook up, can I hook up?

[8:47] And for the most part, we said, okay.

[8:49] But we're ending that,

[8:50] because Bridgeport stopped the process

[8:52] of allowing out of towners from Trumbo, the hook in.

[8:57] I don't know why, but allegedly it's in the contract

[9:01] that they can do there.

[9:03] Um, so with that, um, we can still let outside town people hook in, but we trouble

[9:13] have to go to the WPCA, some representative of the town and ask permission, whether it's

[9:19] granted or not.

[9:19] I don't know.

[9:20] We've not done it here.

[9:23] So we have an ordinance that says you can't hook in, and then this person misses Yingri

[9:29] and Tigua, that's YNGRI and Tigua.

[9:36] She provided information showing that this agreement

[9:41] was made.

[9:42] And I don't know, if anybody's looked through the documents,

[9:47] that Margaret included with the meeting of it and we

[9:52] need to discuss whether there's a, there's certainly

[9:56] enough documents in my mind that it's supportive

[9:58] of that some agreement was made. Is it a written agreement like, you know, we have with Bridgeport?

[10:04] I don't think so. But there is communication back and forth. And we did, in fact, provide

[10:12] lateral, which hook into the main that allow those 11 houses to hook up. So hopefully I summarized it

[10:20] correctly. But I went through the documents. I don't know. Did anybody else go through them?

[10:26] Yeah, not a lot to read.

[10:29] I do believe though Frank didn't.

[10:31] A few houses already hook up in the past,

[10:33] using these laterals.

[10:35] I didn't, I didn't, I understand from reading the documents

[10:38] that maybe some houses on Booth Hill hooked in,

[10:43] but they had a pay to have the laterals constructive.

[10:47] Bill, do you know, the answer to that question?

[10:49] We have, in the past, there is some people out there

[10:53] that we did allow in, I'm not sure which ones they were,

[10:56] But the most recent one was number eight,

[11:02] pan bar, and it was right before COVID.

[11:05] It was in December or January, right before we had an

[11:11] in person meeting at the Public Works Conference room.

[11:19] Well, I will say this.

[11:21] I read the documents.

[11:23] The exchange of emails does demonstrate that allowing

[11:27] these hookups was a condition of Shelton's approval

[11:31] for the town to run its line in that specific location.

[11:40] Whether or not that allows particular residents to enforce that condition,

[11:45] this might be an open question.

[11:49] Whether shelter could enforce it perhaps,

[11:53] that's another issue.

[11:56] But that condition was clearly stated.

[11:59] I mean, definitely there was an understanding, I mean, and we put the laterals in, so

[12:06] the lateral connection, knowing that the actual lateral to the house, but yeah.

[12:11] It's a connection in the street.

[12:15] The lateral, if there's a sketch of one, it looks like it comes to the curb line.

[12:20] Is that correct, Bill?

[12:23] Yes.

[12:24] Do you want us not to the house?

[12:26] Bill?

[12:26] No, because the curb line.

[12:30] So it's a little more than just a tea in the pipe.

[12:37] True.

[12:38] I mean, I think there was an agreement.

[12:42] I agree.

[12:43] I read the documents and I see sufficient documentation

[12:49] that there was an agreement at the time and it was conditional

[12:52] or us to go into shouting to do our work.

[12:56] The one thing I don't see and I maybe doesn't exist

[12:59] is where we approved WPCA approved that at some meeting in 2007, 2008, timeframe when this

[13:08] all was happening.

[13:09] I know that Margaret was going to do some research in a guess because we didn't get anything

[13:14] there was nothing to be found, but I want to confirm that.

[13:19] Well, we got all these things attached to meeting notice about the first, first is I did

[13:25] past Margaret to go and research the past meeting minutes and she did and she produced all

[13:32] of those that mentioned Pam Rugg.

[13:35] We're there in our packet. I didn't see those.

[13:38] Yeah.

[13:39] There's a link to connect.

[13:41] Can I put two pages or so?

[13:45] Oh, I have those meeting minutes. Yes.

[13:49] I thought that this was from the woman highlighting. This was Margaret.

[13:54] I don't know.

[13:57] Yes. Because all this was done back then, couldn't this be treated as something that

[14:03] pre-existed the ordinance? It was already done in one way or another before hands.

[14:12] We really don't fall into our deal with Bridgeport where we have to have that problem.

[14:18] Well, that's my next question to Bill. We got two issues, John. One is it predates the

[14:25] So Bruce suggested and I think is a good idea is we amend the ordinance with some language that if there are pre-existing agreements

[14:34] You know you may supersede the ordinance and that the second one bill is that

[14:41] Contract what was that number four?

[14:43] What was that contract was it a four or three it was three

[14:48] read did that go to Bridgeport for review and approval.

[14:55] I can't speak to that that predates.

[14:58] Yeah, predates us.

[15:00] It's us. Well, when we did five, the one we didn't go forward with, did we share those plans with Bridgeport?

[15:11] No, because we never went through with it. It was no contract.

[15:18] Right, I understand that. I'm just wondering if they're involved with the design development process.

[15:28] Not that I'm aware of, we didn't, not that we didn't share that anything with them.

[15:35] At that point.

[15:38] All right.

[15:38] So then,

[15:44] I wonder if

[15:47] we have to go through the rhythm or role of going to bridge points.

[15:53] Do you receive the exact language in the, in the response contract,

[15:58] and then the exact language of our word links?

[16:01] I do have the contracts.

[16:06] I've reviewed it.

[16:10] I didn't see it, but I didn't read it that carefully.

[16:12] I was looking for something else in the contract.

[16:18] Did you read it, Jim?

[16:22] Yeah.

[16:22] I think it's pretty clear that they're specifying that we need their consent.

[16:32] And this is, you know, an odd scenario because at the time, let's see, well, the contract

[16:39] was in effect, right?

[16:42] That was of 2006.

[16:45] No, excuse me.

[16:46] It was not in effect.

[16:46] It was the previous contract.

[16:48] That's correct.

[16:49] Yeah, 2007, 2008.

[16:51] So that's the previous contract.

[16:52] And then what we're under now.

[16:56] So, that specification,

[17:00] it's

[17:06] in the contract now, there's no doubt in my mind that

[17:10] they're pretty approvals required,

[17:13] but this is all transacted, well prior to that effective

[17:17] date in 2016.

[17:20] But maybe the exact language gives us some, you know, out if it's somebody who was already

[17:27] of permission to hook up.

[17:30] That's what I think.

[17:32] The only thing I like, I don't know, somebody said it.

[17:35] And I have searched a couple of times looking for a vote.

[17:40] Basically, it seems that the chairman of the commission, is it Solamine or Solamine?

[17:46] Uh, I pronounce it.

[17:47] Yeah, Joe is a little lady.

[17:49] I kept reporting what happened.

[17:52] For example, so Salamini reported, we will be going in and out of the city of Shelton

[17:58] during construction.

[18:01] The Shelton PNZ approved our application on the condition that temporary paving and curb

[18:06] overlay are completed, and there are repeated statements like that, that's you know, looking

[18:13] at April to that.

[18:15] That's the follow-on to that what you read, I believe, says, and that we provide

[18:20] for 11 homes. Yeah, this was going to the next the next meeting.

[18:29] Would you have had to go back to Bridgeport back then when that was approved assuming it was approved?

[18:35] Not that I don't think. We didn't we didn't go back to Bridgeport until December of this past year.

[18:43] That's when they told us they were going to enforce.

[18:47] You guys are lawyers here, but you know the behavior of the party was that we didn't have to.

[18:52] But then they can at any time say, yeah, I'm going to start enforcing that. So then now we

[18:59] have to follow the contract.

[19:04] But they still, they still gave approval for everybody from outside

[19:10] the town that hooked in. Because those, the people who wanted to hook up went to Bridgeport and got

[19:16] approval. They just, they just want us to go and get the approval.

[19:24] Both the individuals and the Trumbo Commission have to go to Bridgeport separately.

[19:31] Jim, well, I think it's just us, right?

[19:33] It's, it's just, Trumbo.

[19:36] But they can go, you know, it's an optional basis, but the contract requires someone with authority

[19:43] for the trouble WPCA to go.

[19:47] Good, when we treat this the way they do sometimes with a zoning where you just have the, you

[19:52] don't see what hearing you just have things done administratively and indicate that administratively

[19:58] we had set this up years ago prior to contract and we're just giving you notice that we are

[20:02] going to be working these people up.

[20:06] I'm going to ask in addition, just declaring it as something we're doing just to get them noticed

[20:12] since it was part of the requirement?

[20:15] I think that's a good idea.

[20:19] I agree.

[20:22] I can send a letter or bill, but I can send it to

[20:26] a warm app, but I guess WPCA is telling that.

[20:30] We are mandated out of the terms of this prior approval

[20:35] to allow that to,

[20:38] it was granted on the condition that we allow them to connect.

[20:45] So it's just this one resident at this point, though, right?

[20:48] And that's what we're talking about.

[20:51] The hardest Margaret said that before COVID.

[20:55] I mean, there was a, there was a, I know what Margaret, what did you say?

[20:59] Eight Pam wrote her.

[21:01] Yeah.

[21:02] Eight Pam bar.

[21:04] Yes.

[21:04] Yeah.

[21:06] Eight Pam bar was previously connected.

[21:11] What is this street number?

[21:13] Do we have been off hand?

[21:14] This is 11.

[21:17] What is it?

[21:18] 11.

[21:19] 11.

[21:19] Okay,

[21:38] so I think the court of course the action is is that we'll send

[21:44] a letter to Bridgeport saying that this was part of condition of us getting our route

[21:53] to prove through Shelton and that asked to tell them that we're going to hook it up.

[22:02] Yeah, I think this requires a vote of the commission to approve the connection.

[22:08] It's so moved.

[22:11] Definitely.

[22:13] Devavote.

[22:16] Margaret passed Janana to sleep.

[22:23] Okay.

[22:28] It's just two minutes.

[22:32] We would then still need to come before, they will still need to come before you as commission to approve the assessment once this is further along in the process.

[22:47] Okay.

[22:50] Yeah, I did see that there was further colloquy, I thought back at that time about our

[22:56] lean rights, which do not exist.

[22:59] Correct.

[23:02] She doesn't agree.

[23:03] She doesn't agree.

[23:04] She doesn't agree.

[23:07] I thought Shelton agreed to put the lean on the property.

[23:11] Well, they would have to do it.

[23:15] That's true.

[23:16] I don't remember seeing somewhere where they affirmatively said they would, but maybe he was

[23:22] us saying that they would, I have to go back and read it.

[23:26] I also thought I saw something about paying up front.

[23:29] I have to pay the whole thing and fall, you mean?

[23:32] It's not something in the meeting minutes about that, but I have to go back through all those.

[23:40] Well, if she puts in a septic system, she's going to pay up front.

[23:45] There was something in the minutes where at first they were asking for a $9,000 or something up front.

[23:54] That was for the lateral connection.

[23:57] Right.

[23:58] But then attached to that.

[24:02] It wasn't in the minutes, but I found something in the touch to the assessment card where there was

[24:09] was a letter stating they were not going to take the $9,000 check and that they were able

[24:15] to assess it fully. And it was because part of that particular property was harshly

[24:24] in Trump. Yeah. Well, I just found the May 28th, oh, eight minutes where it states that

[24:33] That's something about some residents, two Shelton residents asked to be connected.

[24:38] They must pay one quarter of the approximate assessment to run the lateral to their property,

[24:44] and then they will pay the balance of the assessment in full at the time of the assessment.

[24:49] They cannot be leaned period and called.

[24:54] So, it seems to have been the conclusion on the assessment issue and in full at the time of the assessment.

[25:07] Can I dare with the assessment?

[25:11] No, I haven't worked on how we have to get the law and do the formula by the front edge.

[25:23] We don't ask a way that for inflation, do we?

[25:26] No, use the project costs per liter of foot that they had for that project.

[25:34] I'm going to recommend that the commission either amend that motion or make another one regarding the assessment as the condition.

[25:47] So we could amend what we already passed and just say that.

[25:51] Oh, you can pass another one. You're going to have to.

[25:53] Because you need to move to the one end and then another motion or improvement.

[25:56] So we could we could just say that as part of the Levent Pam Road Connection, Pam Bar

[26:04] Road Connection, they have to pay the assessment and full prior to connecting.

[26:10] At the time of the assessment is made.

[26:14] I didn't catch what you said.

[26:18] Yeah, I've done this reading right from the minutes at that point,

[26:25] that just lost it.

[26:28] It was one quarter in advance and the balance to be paid in full at the time of the assessment.

[26:40] They don't need the lab rules.

[26:42] They already have it.

[26:44] So that was for two houses on Boothfield Road where they needed a lateral installed.

[26:49] So all we need to do is say at the time of the assessment they need to pay it in full so they can connect.

[26:56] That's fine.

[26:57] Everybody, is that good?

[27:01] You got that Margaret?

[27:05] I do.

[27:07] In a motion.

[27:09] We have a motion in a second, please.

[27:12] Some.

[27:14] Second.

[27:16] Second.

[27:16] Boat.

[27:19] Margaret had passed the unanimous consent.

[27:28] Anybody have anything else that they would like to discuss?

[27:36] If for if there no further business discuss I'll call for a motion to adjourn and a second

[27:46] Second

[27:51] John

[27:53] Okay Margaret passed with the unanimous consent

[27:58] Okay, you know

[28:00] Thanks everybody

[28:02] Thank you

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