[0:20] Madam Chair, we're ready, whenever you're ready.

[1:14] Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Sandy City

[1:17] The council meeting of Tuesday, January 13th.

[1:22] I want to welcome everyone who's here in person and online.

[1:29] And we will start tonight's meeting with a prayer and a pledge.

[1:35] Do I have a volunteer for a prayer for this evening?

[1:39] Marcy says yes.

[1:42] Please go ahead.

[1:43] Our

[1:49] dear Father in Heaven, we are once again grateful to gather, grateful to be amongst the members of our community who serve and lead and protect and uplift.

[1:59] We are grateful for this opportunity to consider the needs of our community, grateful for the opportunity we have to listen and learn from one another and move important work forward as a city.

[2:11] We pray that thy blessing will be upon each of us as we deliberate this evening and consider important decisions.

[2:19] And also be upon all of those who serve in our community whether it be through assignment or through volunteerism.

[2:25] We are grateful for that service and grateful for the manner in which it enriches the lives of those around us.

[2:30] We ask for a special protection to be upon those who serve and in positions that at some point might be threatening.

[2:39] please protect them and let them know that we are grateful for their service.

[2:43] We are grateful for thy guiding hand and pray that it will join with us tonight.

[2:48] And we say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

[2:52] Well, everyone, please stand and recite the pledge with me.

[3:17] Thank you, everyone.

[3:18] We will go ahead and go into introductions at this point in time.

[3:23] And Mr. Frodo, if you'll start us off.

[3:25] Thank you, Madam Chair.

[3:26] My name is Dustin Frodo.

[3:27] I'm with the City Council Office.

[3:28] There are two other council staff members in the back of the room, Justin Sorenson and Listerio.

[3:34] Hi, my name is Tracy, I'm a council for the council.

[3:38] Hi, Chris Edwards with the council office.

[3:42] Chris Nichol district three, Marcy Houseman district four, Brooke Christensen district one,

[3:49] Cindy Sharkey at large, Alison Stroud district two, Erin DeKaiser at large, Brooke to see the at large.

[3:55] Hi, I'm Monica Zultanski, Sandy Mayer.

[3:59] I'm Shane Pace, City Administrator.

[4:02] Lynn Pace, City Attorney.

[4:05] Thank you.

[4:07] So on our agenda tonight we have four information items, two consent items,

[4:12] one voting item and an RDA meeting on our agenda tonight.

[4:17] We'll be taking public comment twice during this meeting, once for agenda item number seven.

[4:24] And once at six o'clock for general citizen comment for any city business, it isn't on the agenda.

[4:32] We are ready to proceed on item agenda item number one, Miss Houseman, if you would like to tee this one up for us, we appreciate that.

[4:42] Happy to, thank you, Madam Chair.

[4:44] It's my pleasure to introduce Evan Terrell.

[4:48] Yes? I got it. I reminded us all that it's tear, but then I got the second half of his last name incorrect, so I adjusted that tonight.

[4:58] I've been able to work with...

[5:00] With Evan, since his, well, actually, a very long, I loved it. Long sounded negative. Please don't take it as that. A bit of an onboarding slash, apprenticeship slash, whatever. You get to spend a good amount of time with Pam in preparing for the transition. And so I've actually been able to learn from him longer than the time he's actually been serving as executive director, director, whatever the actual title is.

[5:29] So we're thrilled to have you here tonight to get to know you a little bit and get an update about whifford

[5:35] Turn it over to him if that's okay. I'm sure

[5:38] Thank you very much council member houseman

[5:41] Good evening mayor and council members city staffs city Sandy. Thank you very much. My name is Evan Turell as Marcy mentioned

[5:49] It's on the new general manager for was at front waste and recycling districts

[5:54] provided and put together a rather robust presentation. I will not go over it in

[5:59] excruciating detail this evening. I'll kind of breathe through some items but

[6:04] please feel free to interrupts and ask questions if you have questions that I

[6:09] can help to answer along the way. A little bit about me very briefly as I've gone

[6:13] to a variety of city councils and the district's partner cities. I've spoken a

[6:19] lot about myself so I'm going to refrain from that this evening. I've been on on board

[6:23] with this organization for nearly a little over four months now, but previously,

[6:27] relevant experience I serve as the executive director for the Grand County

[6:31] Solid Waste Special Service District in Utah, and more recently as the

[6:35] Solid Waste and Fleet Services Director for the City of Flagstaff in Arizona.

[6:41] I'll continue on, and I found my clicker, so I will move for here. So what does

[6:48] This is Wassett Front Wasting Recycling District, so we are predominantly a residential trash

[6:53] and recycling collection service provider.

[6:56] We were originally created as part of the county and became a special service district,

[7:01] and now we are a special district, which is some very specific discrepancy zest of what

[7:08] those include.

[7:09] But as a special district, we are kind of an autonomous standalone government entity as a political

[7:15] subdivision of the state of Utah, providing a specific suite of services, which I already

[7:20] mentioned, is Solid Waste Collection and recycling.

[7:23] So we provide a variety of services as part of that and trying to figure out how to set

[7:28] these microphones up without creating feedback, hopefully you all can hear me appropriately.

[7:34] So we have for our residential services a base service rate, which you most probably know

[7:40] we did have a rather large increase at the beginning of 2025.

[7:44] So, we've been trying to really help to reiterate and explain what that service rate includes.

[7:50] And Woodford, as we go by our acronym, is a single enterprise fund.

[7:55] And so, this service funds our operations as a whole.

[8:00] And so, there are some supplemental services, I'll speak to very briefly.

[8:04] We service a lot of municipal buildings, which is referred to to as our special services accounts.

[8:10] But for our base residential services for which we have over 2500 homes within the Sandy service area which I'll refer to and mention later, we provide weekly trash and recycle collection service.

[8:23] We do have a container-based bulky waste collection program.

[8:27] We have a landfill voucher program where residents can sign up for those, receive those vouchers, and directly haul materials to the two landfills.

[8:36] but also to the now sandy transportation that recently opened, we've opened it up to now the sandy

[8:42] service area and others within the similar geographic region here. But a variety of other

[8:47] service that I'll skip through on the right, the chart there shows what we've collected and hauled

[8:53] since January 1 through November of 2025. So quite a bit of material, so 100,000 tons of trash

[9:01] from our curbside residential-based collection services

[9:06] over 16,000 tons of recycling and a variety of other items

[9:11] that you'll see there.

[9:12] So there are other seasonal programs,

[9:14] which I believe we do partner with Sandy City on,

[9:17] to a certain degree, the seasonal leaf bag,

[9:20] central drop-off and collection program.

[9:23] This year, through November, we had over 1,100 tons

[9:25] of leaf bags alone to be collected.

[9:27] So those seasonal and ancillary programs and services are and do reap large benefits for the residents within our service area.

[9:38] And I've been kind of trying to emphasize and kind of talk to a few other items that we do.

[9:42] So we don't actually build through our partner cities, we do all these things in house.

[9:47] So we manage accounts directly, we deal with collections, we deal with the billing.

[9:51] Everything is managed in-house, largely within our organization, of course, while

[9:57] partnering and collaborating with our various...

[10:03] And we do also offer a curbside green waste reclamation collection program as well as curbside glass. And there are, of course, as you're probably aware, central glass collection locations throughout our service area as well.

[10:19] So what is our service area? And this and providing this presentation and and generating this information is helping me learn more about the organization and our wide ranging

[10:31] and diverse service areas and so our service areas that you can see are rather large but also

[10:38] comprise a large portion of Salt Lake County. When we were originally created we were created to

[10:45] service the areas that were previously unincorporated portions of Salt Lake County and as you're all aware

[10:51] a lot of those areas have since incorporated have become new cities or becoming annexed into different

[10:57] areas within existing cities such as Sandy, Conwood Heights, Haramon for example.

[11:04] So as a whole we actually service over 86,000 homes throughout our service area.

[11:10] The chart here we wanted to look at and largely reflect what we're servicing within the

[11:15] valley and so these data exclude the canyon communities but you'll see there the yellow

[11:22] highlights are the areas that comprise our Sandy service area. So Sandy Hills, Sandy City,

[11:29] Willow Creek, Granite, and Willow Canyon. And as I mentioned earlier, about 2,500 homes are

[11:35] serviced throughout that collective Sandy service area. And then of course we do service about 1800

[11:42] homes in White City, which is a city that's entirely surrounded by Sandy City.

[11:50] So the Sandy service

[11:51] areas. This is something I had to really get up to speed on and better understand. So we have a

[11:56] GIS in-house technician that puts together this map that shows the different areas that we service

[12:02] within what I'm referring to as our sandy service area. So those largely speak to themselves.

[12:08] A good portion of those areas remain unincorporated but some have incorporated into sandy city

[12:14] and in some cases into cottonwood heights as well. The our largest area that we're servicing is

[12:19] currently sandy hills and to my understanding the area still remains largely

[12:24] unincorporated, but some of the other areas including Willow Creek in some

[12:29] cases in granite have incorporated into, I'm sorry annexed into sandy as well,

[12:37] this

[12:37] I won't speak to any further, we're just looking at our container counts, this

[12:42] kind of reflects people who have signed up for additional trash or recycling

[12:46] collection containers, but who have also opted into our green waste

[12:50] reclamation program and our glass program and so looking at this again

[12:55] excluding the canyon communities total containers that we own and service

[13:00] over 200,000 throughout our entire service area and when we're collecting our

[13:05] green waste right now we're out of season for a couple of months but when we are

[13:08] collecting that we're if people set their cans out we're touching about 200,000

[13:13] cans every week throughout solid county so rather large service area and a very

[13:19] robust operations, which I've learned our team is very capable and fully equipped and

[13:26] ready to take on what we need to in the future.

[13:32] So we've started to look at some other areas and I'll talk a little bit later about some

[13:36] cost reduction efforts and ways that we're looking to absorb cost and minimize future rate

[13:43] increases to the best of our ability.

[13:45] So we're looking at some of the various service areas.

[13:48] some of these are combined with other areas that we're servicing on the same day.

[13:52] I should have mentioned on our overall service area that map has colors that indicate

[13:56] your collection service days by those regions as well. The colors here we're

[14:01] trying to really enhance our data visualization to make sure we can kind of easily

[14:06] communicate through colors and charts and graphs. Also the oranges, what's

[14:11] representing our trash, blue is typical color for a cycle and then green being

[14:15] green waste. So we looked at our total number of households serviced and this graph on the bottom

[14:22] left only represents the cost that we incur for paying for disposal or reclamation fees. And so we

[14:28] looked at that on a graph and looked at how many households were servicing per service area or city

[14:36] or community with respect to the cost for disposal and saw very large correlations of the R-squared

[14:43] represents a 97 and a half percent correlation of those data with most of the

[14:49] cities and service areas falling directly on that line. Again, this simply

[14:53] represents disposal fees, so tipping fees which is a cost per ton basis or for

[14:59] recycling.

[15:03] There are some cities and areas that are below that line indicating that the disposal cost costs less per average as a function of household service. And in some cases are above the line. The one that sticks out the most being harrowman predominantly because we deliver directly to the transjordan landfill and the tipping fee cost proton is simply higher for us there than it is at the Salt Lake Valley.

[15:30] transportation in landfills. So that doesn't mean that those cities cost us less or more on average,

[15:35] it's just kind of looking at the correlation and relationship between the household serve and

[15:41] that the tonnages and the amount we're paying for disposal. So efficiencies and costs per

[15:47] our service area, of course, are driven by other factors such as collection density, frequency,

[15:53] the distance between our stops and collections, of course, and various other factors as to where we

[15:59] dispatch from and how we best identify and manage our operations from an efficiency perspective.

[16:07] We are also looking at a very robust cost comparison throughout the three county areas. So

[16:14] what is it? I apologize. Davis County to the north. It's all a county where we're at and Utah

[16:20] County to the south. So we're looking at various service areas and what the cost for service cost

[16:25] for different cities and communities and have recognized that naturally it's an apples-to-orges

[16:30] comparison so looking at those from a cost per month but also as to what comprises and what

[16:36] services are offered in the frequency of those services for example one of us being that we offer

[16:42] weekly recycle collection other communities offer every other week recycle collection and so on

[16:48] so forth so we're working to really build that and that's something that I'll hopefully bring back

[16:53] to all of our partner cities in the future and speak towards those in more

[16:58] details. So very engaged process to look at those items, our administrative

[17:03] manager when a plan has spent a lot of time and reviewing those, putting those

[17:07] together and making sure that we best understand and how we can best tell our

[17:11] story and communicate our services that are rendered as part of that base

[17:16] service view that I spoke about earlier.

[17:21] Profit and loss, our revenues and

[17:23] expenses. This is through third quarter only. We're still trending very much in this capacity.

[17:29] Bottom lines that our revenues have exceeded our expenses for the year and we're continuing to

[17:33] trend in that way. Some of the items that you'll see on the far right hand side, the percent of

[17:38] budget. If they're towards 100 percent or above that those are largely almost entirely have been

[17:45] completed for the years and no more expenses are being incurred on those. But doing really great on

[17:50] our personnel expenses. We've made a lot of efforts and successes in reducing

[17:56] overtime costs and looking at building and enhancing and optimizing our

[18:01] operations and making sure we're operating as efficiently as possible. So on

[18:07] the right-hand column we have implemented several cost savings measures in

[18:10] 2025. A lot of these were led with my predecessor Pam Roberts, but I've kept

[18:16] that continue to be led by myself.

[18:19] So looking at a variety of ways that we can reduce costs

[18:22] and that absorb those costs were possible.

[18:25] So we have a lot of new initiatives and priorities

[18:28] and strategies we're working on in this year in 2026.

[18:31] And I'll speak to those briefly as we get towards

[18:34] the end of this presentation.

[18:35] And we are kind of still in the process

[18:37] of developing those initiatives and priorities.

[18:41] And those are things that we'll be bringing.

[18:42] I'll be bringing to Wilford's Board of Trustees here

[18:45] later this month. So within the Sandy service area we're working on trying to

[18:52] figure out a best represent these metrics. And so we have here this these two charts

[18:57] one of the left shows our entire service area through November of 2024 and

[19:04] through November of 2025. The chart on the right shows the Sandy service area

[19:10] through November of 24 and also for 2025 and so looking at potential trends or

[19:15] differences or changes largely what we're seeing this year across our service

[19:20] area is a reduction in tons overall for the materials that we're collecting it's

[19:26] not that's not a function of us having a difference in the amount of areas we're

[19:32] servicing we kind of make some assumptions here but I think most people know

[19:37] that people are this year reluctant hesitant to buy a lot of things with some uncertainties

[19:43] and market volatilities and of course ongoing increases in cost of living and inflation

[19:48] we feel like is part of people generating less materials and then ultimately throwing

[19:53] less materials out so haven't seen a ton of differences there we do have the voucher program

[19:59] on the column.

[20:00] We have a couple of questions on the two on the right, is still heavily used. Within Sandy, we had about 34 last year, 29 this year to date, that we're able to track for people who download those vouchers for the landfill use. Then our service orders, those are items where we have candor placement, repair, or something that's damaged, or a go back of some sort, those are all kind of tracks separately and independently from our overall tonnages.

[20:30] So overall, the Sandy service area,

[20:32] there was a total amount of diverted materials of about 19 percent.

[20:37] So when you're calculating waste diversion, your numerator is basically what tons of materials

[20:42] are being recovered for reclamation or recycled, so our green waste, glass, our recyclables,

[20:49] and then the denominator is a combination of that plus the material that's landfill.

[20:56] So taking that simple math, if I didn't numerate it from denominator, gets you that 19 percent.

[21:00] So Sandy City and our service area here has done very well.

[21:05] The next slide kind of shows a comparison of our different service areas.

[21:09] But above our district wide average of 18.8%, which is also great.

[21:13] Let me see if there's any other data I want to speak to here.

[21:18] Talks about the average disposal fee and processing costs.

[21:21] We're watching and tracking all those items.

[21:24] We do bring our recycling to two different materials recovery facilities where those materials

[21:29] are separated by commodity type, compressed into cubes and bales and sent up to market for

[21:34] remanufacture. So we're seeing some trends in those costs going up but we do deliver in some cases

[21:40] to the WM facility in Northwest Salt Lake County and also to the Rocky Mountain recycling facility.

[21:46] This is a little bit more central and closer in most cases so most materials from here I think

[21:52] almost entirely are going to the Rocky Mountain recycling facility but areas that we collect in the

[21:58] the northwest portion of Salt Lake County are going to WN's materials recovery facility.

[22:06] Diversionates by service area. Again, our district-wide goal and current average is about

[22:12] 18.8%. So some cities that we track with some imperfection in our data, we're looking

[22:19] at optimizing the way that we're tracking some of these data. It's sometimes very difficult

[22:23] to differentiate because some of our routes do blend within our service areas. But right

[22:29] But now we're showing that Murray is as the top diversion from our service area followed

[22:33] by Mill Creek, holiday, and then Sandy's kind of right in the middle there, but above

[22:36] that orange line that represents our goal and our overall district average.

[22:43] We are working on a lot of new education outreach initiatives, and also as I mentioned data

[22:49] visualization enhancements.

[22:52] And so we just recently had put together with our team, James Kelsey whom you may or may not

[22:58] know, worked on these and built through a variety of reviews and edits between

[23:04] he and I and our team on incorporating these new recycling container guides

[23:09] and also our green waste container guides. These are on our websites.

[23:13] We're really trying to use the philosophy of, you know, green being yes,

[23:19] green as go, red as no was kind of how I've typically said it.

[23:22] But really emphasizing that these materials should not be bagged when materials

[23:26] are bagged and go to industrial materials recover facilities are very high throughput fast moving

[23:34] systems that if materials are included in bags they get tossed to the side and are considered

[23:40] contamination and ultimately end up in most cases in a landfill unfortunately. So really trying to

[23:45] educate to not bag materials and emphasize what is not accepted in those red boxes recycle being

[23:52] the universal blue color which is typical for a cycling as the green one on the left and of course

[23:58] our green waste being the one on the right and so we are accepting to some degree some food waste

[24:04] in our green waste program and a lot of other good things that are really helping to divert materials

[24:10] and the more science we get on that it does cost us more for collections but our disposal fees

[24:15] are much much less for our green waste collections but it also helps to divert that materials

[24:20] from landfills and ultimately reduce other things that are generated, landfills over time,

[24:26] such as methane and other emissions as well.

[24:30] Good evening towards the end.

[24:31] I'm not going to go into too much detail.

[24:33] So our scrap program, seasonal container reservation program, we did implement some new strategies

[24:38] in 2025 to have a tiered reservation program.

[24:42] That was overall very successful in limiting the number of repeat users throughout the year.

[24:47] So the chart of the look kind of shows the reduction in those repeat users from 2024 and for this year in 2025

[24:55] But this year we're going to be looking at means and methods to

[25:00] Potentially increase or enhance or even adjust the means and methods of this program, which

[25:06] would probably not start until 2027, but we are looking at ways this year is our emphasis

[25:12] is to grow our capacity to better meet service demand for that program as a whole. So the

[25:18] bottom right hand chart shows how we've reallocated some of our positions. We are increasing our number

[25:24] of seasonal budgeted positions. We're going to be strategizing on our recruitment and retention

[25:29] for those seasonal workers this year and ultimately trying to ramp up our containers per day which is

[25:35] that very bottom row. We've been averaging about 60 for the past three years. We're fairly comfortable

[25:42] saying that we can get at least 72 this year per day but upwards of 84 and above if we can recruit and

[25:49] retain those seasonal workers as part of this program. So excited to kind of see how that pans out

[25:55] and we're actively strategizing on that program.

[25:58] But we also did decide to temporarily pause

[26:02] our trailer fee-based program.

[26:05] Those are largely used for construction

[26:08] and other reservation programs.

[26:11] But in order to really ramp up our capacity

[26:13] for our scrap bulky waste program,

[26:16] which is provided at no additional cost

[26:18] as per our base service fee,

[26:20] we're shifting those resources this year

[26:22] to our scrap program, but we will continue to provide the trailer rental option for municipalities

[26:30] that need them for special cleanups or for co-compliance needs and so forth, but we'll also use them

[26:37] to some degree in our canyon communities because they're easier to maneuver and in some cases they're

[26:43] less accessible using our regular containers as well.

[26:49] I won't go over this. If you have questions,

[26:51] please feel free to let me know. This year I will just mention that we did service a number of

[26:59] containers totally nearly 7,500 containers throughout our entire service area during our scrap season

[27:05] and ultimately hauled and disposed of 5,869 tons for that bulky waste program alone

[27:14] for our scrap season in 2025.

[27:19] A lot of initiatives here that we have ongoing I will

[27:23] We'll breeze through these rather quickly.

[27:25] We are starting with monthly billing this month,

[27:27] so the bill that will come out in February,

[27:30] will bill for the month of January.

[27:32] So we bill in our rears.

[27:34] Traditionally, we bill on a quarterly basis,

[27:36] so we'll start billing on a monthly basis moving forward.

[27:39] And hopefully that will alleviate missed paid bills

[27:43] and have people better budget for those.

[27:45] But another reason that we're doing it

[27:47] is to make sure we have consistent cash flow

[27:49] through our organization as well.

[27:51] building quarterly. We have a big increase in cash flow and it kind of drops down and so we're

[27:56] trying to kind of level that out as well. Other cost-aves initiatives are mentioned here as well so

[28:02] we are looking at verification of missed pickups. We saved a lot of money this year by reviewing

[28:07] camera footage and limiting those return pickups as well. This year we've actually incorporated a

[28:13] late set-out return pickup fee of people choose to have us come back if their can was not set out

[28:17] of the time of service.

[28:19] We've implemented that as well,

[28:21] but we're also a big thing this year

[28:23] is towards the middle of the PowerPoint here

[28:24] as we're going to be soliciting for a line

[28:27] of service financial cost assessment

[28:29] by geographic service area

[28:31] to get a much better understanding and handle

[28:33] of our true costs by geographic service area

[28:37] and by programs or trash, recycle, and green waste as well.

[28:41] And a variety of other items here as well.

[28:42] I feel like I may be going on a little bit longer

[28:44] than I've planned for.

[28:46] so I'm going to try to speed through some of these other items as well. Operation expenses for

[28:51] 2026, we are of course looking at and answering all of our programs optimizing those services and

[28:57] maintaining the highest degree of service possible given constraints from costs and our employees

[29:05] that we have with the organization. We're investing in items that are at a reduced cost that should

[29:11] to be able to retain those service levels

[29:13] or also absorbing other increased tipping fees.

[29:17] For example, at the Salt Lake Valley facilities,

[29:20] we're seeing increased repair and maintenance rates

[29:22] for our vehicles.

[29:23] We have over 56 combined diesel and CNG trucks

[29:28] that we manage and maintain, so we're looking at

[29:31] how we can reduce that, but also looking at, in some cases,

[29:34] increased fuel costs across the organization.

[29:37] This is the last time I won't go over this in much detail,

[29:39] I want to point out that these new fees that were approved by a Board of Trustees for

[29:43] 2026 are meant to largely recover portions of costs that we incur for providing additional

[29:50] services with the exception of one of those items. But we do have, as I mentioned before,

[29:55] a late set-out return pick-up fee, so if we have a confirmed late set-out.

[30:00] We can offer the customer to come back if they're willing to pay a return pickup fee. We looked at that and compared to a variety of other communities that have those service rates, and we came back with $25 for that pickup. People are actually already using it, which is great. If we miss a pickup, if it's our fault, we will return at no charge. We also incur a lot of fees for recycling contamination. So we're trying to really best leverage our capabilities to keep people informed, engaged, educated.

[30:28] But also, if we have repeat offenses on that, we have, and to a certain degree of large discretionary will probably rarely use this, but at least have some sort of leverage to charge people to have excessive contamination in the recycling can repeat offenders for lack of better term.

[30:45] And we are also finally looking at ways to reduce our transaction fees for payments via

[30:52] credit cards largely.

[30:53] So we're bringing back to our board here this month and subsequent month in February

[30:58] to talk about how we can best implement and incentivize people to pay via methods that

[31:03] cost us less and incentivize that way by offering a zero transaction fee if you're paying ACH

[31:09] or automated system through your bank or for some example as opposed to paying with

[31:15] a credit card which we all know incurs a lot of fees behind the scenes and adds up to

[31:20] a lot of money very quickly.

[31:23] So that is what I've provided today and look forward to providing

[31:27] additional highlights and updates in the future. Thank you very much for your time and I'm

[31:32] happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you for that presentation. It was a very

[31:35] helpful council? Any questions? A mini-salesman?

[31:41] Not really. A question as much as I just

[31:44] want to reiterate a couple of things that we heard because it always helps to have someone

[31:49] who's observed it like confirm this really strategic approach being taken. So I love the

[31:56] emphasis you placed on increasing efficiency that really has been at the heart of the conversations

[32:00] that I've been a part of, with Whiffer, starting with Pam,

[32:05] and then of course continuing into your leadership.

[32:07] I love that, we are doing similar work,

[32:10] and so I think it's fantastic.

[32:12] And the other thing that I would emphasize as an example

[32:15] of looking for increased efficiencies is the reallocation

[32:19] of human resources, the individuals that we can reallocate

[32:23] or our resources that are like the trailer reallocation

[32:28] and that kind of thing.

[32:29] So really thinking intentionally about the best use of our resources to get at greater

[32:35] efficiency.

[32:36] So I just wanted to really just add that as a, it's been really great to see leadership

[32:43] digging into those conversations.

[32:45] So thank you.

[32:46] Thank you.

[32:47] Appreciate it.

[32:49] Is Nickle, did you have no?

[32:52] Thank you for this presentation.

[32:53] I knew what I'd like to understand maybe just really quickly.

[32:58] You're doing some interesting things, Wilfred, is regarding trying to deal with this recycling

[33:04] contamination problem, which is persistent, it's hard to resolve, and it's costly.

[33:11] And so it looks like you're doing some interesting things that, to the best of my knowledge,

[33:15] we aren't doing in Sandy with the other company that provides services here.

[33:21] and that is to remove a recycling container

[33:24] if you have a repeat offender

[33:26] and to maybe even charge a fee.

[33:29] Can you tell, is that in play right now?

[33:31] Are you doing that on a widespread basis?

[33:33] What are you finding with that?

[33:35] Yes, thank you for the question.

[33:36] So that's something that's very new that we just,

[33:39] we haven't actually implemented it yet.

[33:40] It was approved for our 2026 fee schedule.

[33:45] So a lot of, we did a lot of research on this.

[33:47] So a variety of communities throughout the Southwest

[33:50] have a recycling contamination fee. So we do a variety of education outreach initiatives

[33:56] but we also, as was included on the PowerPoint as well, I didn't speak to it, but we have a

[34:01] quality assurance team and we have a team that also goes around with what we refer to as Ux tags.

[34:07] So the little tags that have, you hang on the handle of the recycle container, that identifies

[34:13] that people have contamination in their can. So our drivers, we're working with them to

[34:18] implement that as well. Our drivers report that back to our administrative team.

[34:23] We're tracking those and when we see repeat offenses on those, we try to

[34:28] educate first and the intense other recycling contamination fee is to avoid

[34:33] us having to go and physically remove the container. So when we remove that, we have

[34:38] no means or methods to charge for that additional service, but oftentimes within a

[34:43] matter of three to six months, we have to go and return that container, which

[34:47] that oftentimes comes at a refurbished container or a brand new container which can cost upwards

[34:52] of $70 and then we're returning that container you know of course using our labor, our vehicles,

[34:57] our equipment to bring that container back.

[35:00] So, so those are things we're looking at as to how can we better leverage instead of removing that container, can and when should we charge that contamination fee? So, variety of states are doing this. We did a lot of research throughout the Southwest, California, Nevada, Arizona, for example, and Utah and Colorado had a wide variety of contamination fees that they were charging. And so we kind of looked at that, looked at the median number of what that would, what

[35:29] would cost and again using that as sort of an incentive or in some case the

[35:34] disincentive to contaminate your recycling. So it's a combination of

[35:38] education outreach and then kind of having some degree of leverage to

[35:42] where we can help to better influence that for education outreach efforts are

[35:47] not being effective in that case. So that answer your question. Yes, I'm really

[35:51] interested to that. We interested to hear in your committee reports, how that

[35:57] That works, how effective that is.

[36:02] Thank you very much for coming, we really appreciate you.

[36:06] It's welcome, it's nice to have you as a partner.

[36:09] All right, item number two on our agenda is amendments to title 21 of the land development

[36:16] code, and we have Mike Wilcox presenting tonight.

[36:20] Thank you, Madam Chair.

[36:21] It's good to be back before the council, it's been a minute for myself.

[36:27] This item is a proposed amendment that is staff initiated for an area that is limited to the auto mall zone itself.

[36:38] And the auto mall zone has two sub districts, it's roughly located from 106 south,

[36:43] down to roughly 110 south between state street and the freeway.

[36:47] And within that, there's two subdistricts.

[36:50] One is for automobile commercial and an automobile dealership.

[36:55] This proposed amendment only affects the dealership subdistrict area.

[37:00] It's where we've concentrated our dealerships for the South Town automobile.

[37:05] And this was an issue that came before us where there were some land owners that had some thoughts or proposals to do other developments other than an automobile dealership.

[37:16] within that area. That news got brought up during a board meeting with the

[37:23] Audemoll District themselves and they wanted the City to act on their behalf to

[37:29] help restrict those types of uses to not denigrate the intent and the purpose

[37:35] behind the Audemoll Zone itself. And so staff has gone through and analyzed the

[37:39] code and found that there are some land uses that we'd like to revise in our land

[37:44] and use matrix, which is our table of uses that are permitted, not permitted, or conditional.

[37:51] And I've proposed a few amendments to that section of code.

[37:55] The overall objective is to, again, strengthen the animal dealership area,

[38:00] align the purpose of the dealership area to the land use codes that we have there.

[38:05] And then restrict certain uses only when they're in conjunction with retail sales of a dealership.

[38:13] Just a short summary here on this slide of some of the changes that we're proposing in

[38:19] that matrix, an abbreviated version of that.

[38:23] These would be uses if they're ancillary to an automotive dealership.

[38:30] So if an automotive dealer has these auxiliary services that they provide to their customers,

[38:34] that would be fine to incorporate that with that type of use.

[38:38] But the primary use of that facility would have to be automotive sales.

[38:44] And then on this slide it kind of indicates some of the land uses that we found that would not be compatible or should no longer be allowed in that district.

[38:53] And so we're proposing changes to these uses within the sub-district of the animal district.

[39:02] This has gone before the planning commission.

[39:03] The Planning Commission gave a unanimous recommendation to the City Council to adopt this proposed change, and we'll be back to the City Council next week with the Normans.

[39:14] Any questions that you have for us?

[39:18] Councilmember D'Souza, please.

[39:20] Thank you, Madam Chair.

[39:21] I am just wondering if you have, I don't know that you have it available now because I don't see it in the presentation, but more of a map representation of the automobile district.

[39:31] I don't have it in the presentation, but I can bring it next week.

[39:34] Okay, if you'd even provide it after the meeting to all of us beforehand, that would be helpful, because I, in order for me to really understand some of the proposed changes or how they may affect, you know, other things in addition to the businesses in the automaw area, I'd like to understand the boundaries.

[39:52] Sure, I can definitely do that.

[39:53] Okay, thank you.

[39:56] Mr. Dekai, sir.

[39:57] Thank you madam chair. What's the thought behind?

[40:00] And eliminating the rental and leasing agencies. Would that get rid of the current, the one that's currently there? It's not within, it's in the commercial sub-district. Okay. So it's not within the dealerships of districts. Great. Thank you. The

[40:20] questions council.

[40:22] Looks like we have now. I will follow up with a map and I'll bring that to you here shortly. Perfect. Thank you.

[40:36] I know the next one is going to be lengthy.

[40:42] That's the office space issue.

[40:44] So I'm going to suggest that instead of putting off public comment for a lengthy period

[40:50] of time, that we just recessed for five minutes and then come back.

[40:53] Madam Chair, may I?

[40:57] I think you're welcome to begin public comment, if you'd like, as long as we go past 6 p.m.

[41:03] which I know you have a couple of cards, so I'm going to guess that we'll be past 6 p.m.

[41:08] Okay, it's good to do that.

[41:10] Start public comment now.

[41:11] Okay.

[41:12] All right.

[41:14] Mr. Prado, if you will go ahead and tell members of the public

[41:17] both in the chambers and online,

[41:19] how to go ahead and make a public comment.

[41:20] Of course, thank you Madam Chair.

[41:22] If you're joining us here in the chambers

[41:23] and you'd like to comment on any city business,

[41:26] there are some blue cards at the back of the room.

[41:28] Fill one out and you can just run it up to me.

[41:30] And I'm happy to provide it to the chair.

[41:32] If you are joining us virtually and you'd like to comment,

[41:35] And once we get through our in-person commenters, we'll move to our virtual commenters.

[41:39] You can go ahead and click the Raise Hand button on your screen.

[41:44] And we'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand.

[41:47] And each commenter will have up to three minutes for their comment.

[41:51] So Madam Chair, I know you have some cards.

[41:53] I'll turn it over to you.

[41:56] Thank you.

[41:58] Aaron Dixon will be our first commenter.

[42:01] You will have three minutes to share your comments with the council.

[42:06] Hello,

[42:12] Council. I am a residents of Sandy. There is a parcel on

[42:18] Segallilly N-13th next to the Sandy Library. The city initially denied the

[42:23] proposal of a dense development and a judge overturned that ruling. It's been

[42:28] all over the news and Facebook. I'm actually thrilled that the judge overturned

[42:34] it. I would very much like to see more housing in our city. I believe we should

[42:40] include as much housing here as we possibly can. There are a lot of concerns when it comes

[42:46] to housing and less housing is not going to fix any of those concerns. We have more

[42:53] people coming, growing families, tourists, we have the Olympics, and the growth is not

[43:00] going to stop.

[43:04] I come to you today because I am concerned for myself but also for my children

[43:09] and for the future residents. For all humans it is nice to have what we want but it is better to have what we need.

[43:20] Many people complain about putting in more housing but it is what we need and even if the loud voices don't want it.

[43:29] Because of the low supply and high demand I personally cannot afford to move from my house.

[43:37] Even though my husband and I both work that we both have college degrees, and my children,

[43:47] when they move out in 10 years, I don't know if they can afford to live anywhere but

[43:51] with us.

[43:54] We could not even afford to buy our own home with a 3% interest rate now, if

[44:01] it was the first time home-buyer experience.

[44:04] We're returning to the development on Segalili in 13th.

[44:08] I'm disappointed that the council, not all of you are on the council at the time, denied

[44:13] it.

[44:13] It is an excellent placement for density.

[44:16] People will be able to walk to school, elementary and junior high, a gym, a grocery store, restaurants,

[44:22] and the library.

[44:23] I look forward to its construction.

[44:26] I don't know how many open places there are for density in a city, but I plead with you

[44:31] to advocate for as much housing wherever possible.

[44:35] We don't have to have big open spaces for housing.

[44:39] More ADUs, single-family homes can become duplexes.

[44:44] Just smaller properties, sizes, and existing mixed use homes

[44:50] on top of businesses, whatever you and the brilliant city

[44:55] planning staff can do to just put in little bits of housing

[44:59] Thank you.

[45:00] Here and there, whatever it takes to just get in little bits here and there. I have faith in you as my city representatives to work with each other and with city staff to make Sandy a safe, healthy, vibrant place where people can live in the future. Thank you for your attention and your support and your dedication to the residents in this city. Thank you, Mr. Dixon. Next is Rebecca Colley.

[45:38] Hi, Rebecca Colley. Sandy.

[45:40] Volunteer citizens such as myself involved in the Salt Lake County Tax Referendum effort are working tirelessly to inform people of a higher tax burden that was rammed through right before Christmas.

[45:54] We're hoping all county residents and for me, Sandy residents will be given the opportunity to vote on a near 15% property tax increase.

[46:04] Today, Sandy City denied a reasonable accommodation request for a paraplegic who strongly believes in this referendum effort, but cannot go door to door, nor should she be subjected to the elements.

[46:19] She has been cast out by our county and our state government and by our city government.

[46:26] When she simply sought to gather constituent signatures, constituent of yours quietly in the atrium of our building.

[46:36] It is apparent that the city councils across the county have all gotten the memo on what to do to discourage its citizens.

[46:44] It would appear that all of you are working to push through this without letting your constituents know or have the benefit of informed consent on raising our tax burdens.

[46:55] Citizens, Sandy City continues to throw obstacles up prohibiting the people who pay their salaries.

[47:04] Regardless of ability or disability, this is our city hall and it is a place where we should be able to meet other citizens and neighbors.

[47:15] We're doing this to inform people everyone we speak with thanks us profusely.

[47:22] This cuts across all parties and impacts every one of us.

[47:28] I'm curious to find out if we have a disability advocate in our Sandy government.

[47:34] I don't see how people can equally participate if our own government won't provide accommodations.

[47:40] This is not a fair and just way to govern and anyone involved instead shutting out their constituents should be ashamed.

[47:49] My favorite quote out of the Bible by Marcus Aurelius is the impediment to action advances

[48:00] the action.

[48:02] What stands in your way becomes the way.

[48:07] This is a 100% volunteer, unpaid effort.

[48:11] We are resilient and we will not give up obstacles do not block the path

[48:20] Obstacles are the path. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Collie

[48:25] Mr. Butters

[48:26] How

[48:41] are you new city council people?

[48:45] Thank you Brett for sitting down with me and talking to me about my concerns. I appreciate that for district one

[48:52] My concerns, I have talked to some of the city council, was what can we do on the semi-parking?

[48:59] How can we do better to help the truck driver's out?

[49:04] If I park on the side road for 2-1, I can get a ticket.

[49:09] We need to look at putting it for 48 hours like the pink slip stays on the truck parking.

[49:15] because what if I'm home having a break and I have to hit the road in two days?

[49:23] I'm away from my family. You guys get to stay home. It's the truck driver. It's

[49:28] the backbone of this country. The other concerns I have is we do have the

[49:38] homeless population parking and there is a rule about someone brought that up to

[49:44] me day to day sharky did. There is a rule about no campers parking on

[49:50] side road. There's two. One down there by the Fardos Fire Station, the new one.

[49:56] There's one over on office Davis Street somewhere.

[50:00] Sleep in there. How can we make Sandy a lot better to be safe for our families? That's where my concerns are. And I have a concern for you mayor. You told me last time when you called me and I will say this nicely. You said you will have your secretary get a hold of me to set up appointment. I am still waiting for that appointment time. You work for us.

[50:29] I would like to sit down with any city council people at once to work on this truck parking

[50:35] and the situation.

[50:36] I've talked to my district leader and I've talked to many people in this situation to

[50:43] help the truck drivers out.

[50:45] If it's not for the truck drivers, what can we do to get the clothes on our back?

[50:51] Anything.

[50:53] I'm actually have to force to go back over the road truck driving in three more months because I can't find a local job.

[51:01] I have to hit the road to make money for my family. That's my concern. Thank you.

[51:10] Thank you, Mr. Butters. And Charlotte Jordan.

[51:13] Hello,

[51:21] honoured councilmembers, my name is Charlotte Jordan,

[51:24] Past Chair of the American West Symphony

[51:27] and currently Director of Development.

[51:31] I also have been very involved with the Sister City Program,

[51:38] particularly Risa, and I want to give you a little update.

[51:43] And I want to tell you about some exciting things

[51:46] that are going to happen.

[51:47] And for those of you who are not familiar, the Risa's sister city program was started just

[51:54] after the Olympics in 2002.

[51:58] And after that, York Richter and Trombone player of the Elpland Symphony, or it's officially

[52:08] the Elpland Philharmonic Saxum, performed with a youth group twice in Sandy.

[52:17] And then, at the 10th anniversary, I was invited to come and go with a small ensemble

[52:25] to re-resign, and I performed over there.

[52:29] And while I was there, I made contact with the Alpine Symphony Saxony, which is a professional

[52:36] orchestra, and that was the beginning of a very fruitful culture exchange, more than 50

[52:44] 15 musicians of the Mac and West over the years have performed in Risa.

[52:50] We held a conductor's exchange.

[52:53] We had the conductor of the output performed here in Sandy.

[52:59] And then during the 600 year celebration of Risa, can you imagine 600 years?

[53:07] I went with seven musicians to Risa.

[53:12] and they performed with the orchestra over there.

[53:17] Can you imagine what an honor that was for a community orchestra member to perform with

[53:23] a professional at Stinfini?

[53:26] I'm very pleased to announce that Jörg Jörg Wissrichter contacted me and he will be here the

[53:34] first week of July and he will bring his best friend, the principal tombor and player

[53:41] of the Elton Symphony. They will arrive on June 30th, and I just found out today that

[53:51] the Pox Concert is scheduled tentative on June 28th, so they will miss it, which would

[54:00] be very unfortunate because those musicians can't wait to perform with us. So I'm here

[54:09] to let you know about that and my hope is that that date can be rescheduled so we can

[54:18] invite those musicians to perform this to America, West Symphony. It will be a tremendous

[54:24] honor for them. And I hope we can also be part of the force of July parade with the

[54:32] Risa, Sandy, Banner.

[54:34] That would be awesome.

[54:36] Thank you.

[54:36] Thank you, Mr. Jordan.

[54:37] Thank you for that report.

[54:39] I have no more blue cards.

[54:42] Mr. Frato, would you like to invite our online participants?

[54:47] Of course, thank you, Madam Chair.

[54:48] Just a reminder, if you're joining us virtually via Zoom,

[54:51] and you'd like to comment, go ahead and click

[54:52] the raise hand button on your screen now,

[54:55] and I'll call your name in the order in which you raised your hand.

[54:58] Madam Chair, we've got

[55:00] We've got Doug Wismer with his hand raised. Mr. Wismer, let me allow you to begin speaking. Please remember to unmute yourself and you'll have three minutes.

[55:13] Hi, everyone. Hi, fellow residents in city council and Madam Mayor.

[55:22] I came here to speak about one thing and I forgot to go up and I'll get to that in just a second, but I have a couple comments.

[55:31] And first of all, all the participation is great.

[55:35] One thing I've noticed about coming to the city council meeting is that it seems like

[55:40] there honestly really is not the kind of citizen engagement that I would hope for.

[55:47] So tonight I saw something different and I think that's great.

[55:51] I also want to thank and second Miss Dixon's comments about advocating for more housing.

[56:01] Yes, that was all over the news.

[56:04] And I too applauded the judge for overturning that.

[56:10] You know, as a resident of Sandy and actually, you know, I'll call myself an older individual.

[56:16] Well, I find that there's a lot of protectionism

[56:22] in the city that I find, you know,

[56:26] I'm not a fan of that.

[56:30] If myth Dixon, if you're still in the room,

[56:32] I'm about 10 years ahead of you.

[56:35] My boys are in their 20s, their builders,

[56:38] they have to go to Park City to find work

[56:42] work, or actually get paid well, I'll say.

[56:47] There's a lot of unfinished projects here in Sandy, and I quite frankly, I think it's

[56:52] because there's a lot of corrections.

[56:54] And now I'm going to get to what I came to talk about, which is the gondola.

[57:00] Also, very protectionist, there was a lot of disinformation in the mayor campaign last

[57:06] summer.

[57:07] things like a $1,200 line item bill on your taxes for the gondola. That's a simply false.

[57:17] And folks on the City Council, I hope you're aware, but if you're not, UDOT has extended

[57:26] the comment period for what they're calling big cottonwood, but this all flows together.

[57:32] It looks like what's going to happen is this mobility hub is going to go with the base of big cottonwood.

[57:40] They're going to discontinue buff service and Sandy, meaning as a Sandy resident who lives right around 9400 South, which is a straight shot of little cottonwood.

[57:51] Can you? I need to traverse my way through cottonwood heights to now get on a bus to go up

[58:01] little cottonwood. And I can't help think that this is all because Sandy is still in this lawsuit

[58:12] over the gondola. The proposed gondola will go in if it ever happens. We'll go in where the

[58:20] is on my screen right now I have Google Maps or actually Google or looking at the

[58:28] LeCai property. Mr. Wizard, we've met the three-minute limit. You're afraid to

[58:34] come back another time. We'd love to hear from you or you can certainly write us

[58:37] an email and we'd love to all read it. Thank you. Sure sounds good. Thank you.

[58:49] And I'm sure I don't see any other hands raised. Same. We'll close public comment on

[58:54] And this item, and we will move back to the, which is information item number three.

[59:01] Dan Nelson, welcome to the podium.

[59:08] Thank you Madam Chair.

[59:18] It's the one to your left, Dan.

[59:20] There you go.

[59:21] Okay.

[59:26] Yes, so today we're here to talk about Sandy City's office space and some needs for additional office space.

[59:34] And I thought we would start by giving a little bit of a rundown of the office space that we currently have.

[59:39] and some needs that we feel like we do that we have for additional space, and then lay out a few different alternatives for the City Council to consider and focus, especially on the Arbor building, which is the L-shaped building just right next door, that the City currently has under contract and is in due diligence.

[1:00:01] So, yeah, we're going to lay out a few alternatives. We have Brian and Martin who will answer some specific questions about different parts of this challenge, and then possibly Casey also as it relates to the RDA. So, anyway, I thought we could jump into the current office space.

[1:00:23] So, currently, there's three main buildings, you know, City Hall, the Justice Building and the Parks and Rec Building, which total 140

[1:00:32] 32,000 square feet. And this is less common area of about 32,000, 33,000 square feet with

[1:00:40] a usable space of 109,500 square feet.

[1:00:46] For today's discussion, and I know there's a lot

[1:00:50] of fondness for the parks and rec building. Looking long-term, I think there's a general

[1:00:55] consensus that that's not a long-term solution for office space, just given some of the challenges.

[1:01:00] So if we subtract that, we are left with usable space of around 91,000 square feet.

[1:01:11] This is the office space requirements that we have.

[1:01:15] And for most of these categories, we've just, if it seems like it's adequate, so far

[1:01:20] we've just said that they're, they're required space is the same as the current space.

[1:01:26] But you can see the three departments where, where there's a pretty big gap, our police,

[1:01:32] Police, Parks and Rec, and Arts Guild.

[1:01:36] Police, they're using space in the lower level of City Hall, and then also in the lower level of the Justice Building.

[1:01:44] But there's still short square footage, and then Parks and Rec and the Arts Guild also.

[1:01:52] Any questions up to this point?

[1:01:54] I'm going to insert one, so the need of police, 46,360, 9,000 of that, that's a need of 19,000 over what they have now.

[1:02:14] Are we to read this that 9,000 of that 19,000 square feet need has already been met in the Justice Court building?

[1:02:22] Well, I think the columns on the right, you see there's a line under the Justice Building, see the total above.

[1:02:30] We tried to break this down by building.

[1:02:32] So if you look at, you know, police has 27,000 feet in city hall, but then if you jump down, they have 9,000 square feet in the Justice Building.

[1:02:42] So they need another 9,000, not 19,000 on top of that.

[1:02:48] That's right, yeah, 9 or 10,000.

[1:02:51] The square footage in the Parks and Rec Building, that includes the gym, correct?

[1:02:56] Not just the office portion of, but the gym as well.

[1:02:58] That's correct.

[1:03:01] The art's guild.

[1:03:03] So what I'm curious about on the art's guild, the art's guild for the most part is a committee that meets.

[1:03:09] And obviously, they just need a meeting room.

[1:03:11] So, I'm assuming that this 6600 square feet, additionally, that they need, is that a practice stage, is that what it is?

[1:03:23] Okay.

[1:03:26] Chair, yes, that's exactly right.

[1:03:29] There's about 3,700 square feet that they're estimating that they would like for some rehearsal space.

[1:03:34] We have that wonderful partnership with the school district, Formount Jordan, but

[1:03:38] But what we don't have is we don't have space for our community arts group to practice.

[1:03:43] And so that would be adding that.

[1:03:46] We've had this discussion before this need for rehearsal space is not a, that's not a brand new ask.

[1:03:56] But it was told to us before that it was just, it's a certain kind of need.

[1:04:01] It's not just any square footage, right?

[1:04:04] So they need, it needs to be uninstructed by pillars or walls.

[1:04:08] It needs to have a certain ceiling height.

[1:04:11] Are we, I just want to make sure, if that's what we're looking to find is 6,600 square feet for them,

[1:04:18] that we're looking for the right kind of square footage and it can't just be any square footage.

[1:04:23] You're exactly right, Merle, Marsh has done a wonderful job and we have about 2,600 free,

[1:04:30] unobstructed, high ceiling of main columns that we would look for and just over a thousand of other space on top of that.

[1:04:38] So, yes, very detailed type of space that we're trying to look for.

[1:04:42] Ms. Christensen, where are they practicing now?

[1:04:46] Wherever they can find.

[1:04:48] Like not the gym.

[1:04:49] At Mount Jordan is really where they try and work into the school there,

[1:04:53] but it's challenging with all the activities to happen there,

[1:04:57] but that is their main place of rehearsal.

[1:05:00] Okay. Thank you. Ms. Nichol. Do they ever practice in the gym at Parks and Rec? They have in the past,

[1:05:09] but currently they are not because we're utilizing that while out the canyon is being reconstructed,

[1:05:16] and so it's programmed and active. So in the past they have, but currently no.

[1:05:21] We just for administration on, for my opinion, I don't see this as in need, the art skilled space.

[1:05:28] So going further, when we discuss this, I'm going to be subtracting that out of there

[1:05:34] because I don't feel it is a necessity to have that versus it is a necessity to have

[1:05:40] square footage for PDE and other departments that are pretty much full-time, just my opinion

[1:05:45] on that perspective.

[1:05:46] No.

[1:05:47] Let's

[1:05:49] move ahead Dan.

[1:05:50] Okay.

[1:05:55] All right.

[1:05:55] So this just summarizes what we've said before, yeah police for about 10,000 square feet

[1:06:02] We have short parks and rec, and this is subtracting the parks and rec building that will leave us 23,000 square feet short in the art scale, 7,800 square feet short for a total of about 41,000 square feet.

[1:06:16] This is based on current needs and doesn't take into account the possibility for future growth, you know, which we've estimated about 5%.

[1:06:25] So that's the challenge for the current city's need for additional office space.

[1:06:37] So we've considered four different expansion alternatives, and I think the council is somewhat

[1:06:43] familiar with each of these, but I'm happy that we can walk through one at a time and answer

[1:06:48] question on each of them.

[1:06:49] The Arbor Plaza Office Building, again, that's the one next door.

[1:06:53] Crescent View Middle School, that's near the south part of the city.

[1:06:57] post office building just south of the Justice Building and then an expansion of the Justice Building itself.

[1:07:08] So the first off alternative is the post office building, 31,000 square feet, 14,750 unoccupied.

[1:07:18] There's currently one tenant in there, which is the post office on at least.

[1:07:26] So that, you know, the advantages of that are location, it's close to City Hall, but

[1:07:33] you know, it's not on the block of City Hall, you know, so it's not like it's right on site.

[1:07:40] There's a question about the future parking there.

[1:07:44] If you drive by, there's an older parking structure there, but this whole block has plans to be redeveloped.

[1:07:49] And I have doubts about the timing for having that parking lot completed.

[1:07:55] So anyway, that's a concern there.

[1:07:59] Timing, it doesn't need substantial renovation.

[1:08:03] And then also, yeah, just the funding for that building would be, you know, some RDA funds.

[1:08:09] I have RDA funds.

[1:08:11] So I'm just looking to find out there's another item on the agenda that converts this property

[1:08:23] to an HTRZ as a future action.

[1:08:29] So if this becomes part of an HTRZ, does that create a prohibition on using RDA funds

[1:08:36] for the purchase?

[1:08:36] And are you talking the post office building?

[1:08:38] Yes.

[1:08:39] Madam Chair.

[1:08:40] No.

[1:08:42] We can use, we can still use it.

[1:08:46] We can specifically use HTRZ funds within that.

[1:08:49] But if we can show that the HTRZ benefits, the RDA, excuse me,

[1:09:00] then we can still use those funds.

[1:09:02] So, we can still use the funds, even if we amend it and take it out, but because there's

[1:09:08] still a fund balance within the RDA, we can still potentially use that funding for that.

[1:09:14] Interesting.

[1:09:15] Okay.

[1:09:15] So, you just said, if we can prove that the HTRZ benefits the RDA, we can use RDA funds

[1:09:23] for this purchase, even though it's in an HTRZ.

[1:09:27] If within certain project areas, if you can show a nexus or a benefit from one project area to another, or let's not even say that a project, a piece of property that's outside a project area by developing that improving that if it benefits the project area, and you can show a direct benefit to the project area, then you can use that funding for it.

[1:09:49] So, if this was the develop or use it and you could show a direct benefit even though

[1:09:54] it would be outside the project area, you could potentially use funds inside the project

[1:09:58] area or the HTRZ.

[1:10:00] Okay. That is good to know.

[1:10:03] Looks like we can move on. Okay.

[1:10:09] All right. The next alternative is the Crescent View Middle School. This is a property that's been surplus by the Canyon School District, and by statute, the city has a first try to purchase it out of praise value. There have been two appraisals done, which are wildly disparate. The average of them is around 12.5 million. We're currently waiting on a third appraisal, which should be done.

[1:10:33] hopefully this week. Yeah, a few things to consider on this building. It is adjacent to Crescent Park,

[1:10:41] which is a city park. Building use, you know, there's a portion that's

[1:10:47] gymnasium, that's cafeteria, there's a Kiva, which is like an amphitheater use,

[1:10:56] and then just a lot of classroom space. It's a very very large building.

[1:11:00] And I think funding for this would likely come from a bond if you were to decide to take

[1:11:07] a run in this property.

[1:11:09] You know, then one component is you could use all our part of the building.

[1:11:14] You know, maybe the parts of the property that you don't use could be sold for development,

[1:11:20] for housing, or open space.

[1:11:25] So, anyway, that's an alternative.

[1:11:26] The

[1:11:32] third alternative that we've considered is an expansion of the Justice Building, basically

[1:11:39] adding more space through addition and renovation.

[1:11:42] There's a study done that looked at adding 6,000 square feet, adding on to this building for

[1:11:47] police, and then renovating the basement and some of the lobbies to remove some of the atrium

[1:11:54] and put that into usable square footage.

[1:11:57] You know, obviously the location here is great.

[1:12:01] It's right next to, you know, it's on our campus.

[1:12:04] City already owns it, so that's not a question.

[1:12:07] You know, the funding question here would be the bond.

[1:12:10] And I think the study that was done showed that adding space

[1:12:13] or removing some of the atrium and adding usable space

[1:12:16] there would be pretty expensive.

[1:12:19] So, anyway, that's a question.

[1:12:22] The other challenge with this property

[1:12:24] property it would be the staging of it you know if you pull people out of there to remodel it

[1:12:29] you know where you're going to put the tenants currently in there so anyway that's that's the

[1:12:36] third alternative with what happened any questions okay this last one is the Arbor Plaza office

[1:12:45] building 66,000 square feet the city currently has that under contract at the price of 12 million

[1:12:52] dollars. You know the location is great, it's on our campus here. The funding, this would

[1:13:00] be some creative funding, it would be a combination of an RDA, block of money, income from the

[1:13:07] leases which would pay the payments on a bond. And you know, some considerations, the

[1:13:15] buildings in great condition, we've had our people going through it in detail and you

[1:13:20] you know, there's a couple minor things, but nothing major.

[1:13:23] It's a very, you know, class B plus office building.

[1:13:28] You know, and I think the timing would be great because,

[1:13:30] you know, potentially, we could use it very quickly.

[1:13:33] So I thought we could run through some of the details

[1:13:35] on the Arbor office building, and then we can answer questions.

[1:13:41] So our current contract, these are the details of the contract.

[1:13:44] The purchase price is $12 million with $100,000

[1:13:48] of earnest money. The timing here that we'd anticipated a bond parameters resolution vote which

[1:13:57] would take place next Tuesday and that and Brian can lay out the details of that but that would be

[1:14:03] a you know giving approval to go and pursue this bond financing. The final vote on the purchase

[1:14:10] this would happen February 17th about, you know, month away, which would be before the

[1:14:19] due diligence deadline of February 19th. After that point, the city's $100,000 would become

[1:14:24] non-refundable and then anticipated closing day would be March 2nd.

[1:14:32] Any questions up until now?

[1:14:35] Mr. Susa. Thank you. My question actually, I should have asked it at the last slide,

[1:14:40] and I don't know if you have the answer to this, but I'm hoping that somebody here does,

[1:14:44] But the question about, oh my gosh, the Justice Building Expansion and the cost to renovate

[1:14:51] that along with the police atrium area.

[1:14:54] It was expensive, but does anybody here know the approximate cost that we were quoted

[1:14:58] when that was looked into?

[1:15:00] Yeah, it was for moving the police department into that building, and it was adding 6,000 square feet and revamping the building, and it was $15 million. That

[1:15:12] was just one bid or one person's. That was the estimate by the engineering firm. I mean, by the architectural firm who did this study. Okay, thank you. And all we could get was 6,000 square feet, $15 million. That did 6,000 square feet.

[1:15:34] addition and that also did some renovations to the atrium area which increased usable space to what?

[1:15:42] Overall usable space meaning floor space that we could use for office, right? So total, do you know? I don't

[1:15:59] So this is the current layout and the vacant suites and by the time we

[1:16:07] By the time the city would take ownership on March 2nd

[1:16:10] And this is the layout that it would have, the yellow would be the vacant suites.

[1:16:18] There's one tenant that just vacated and another tenant that is kind of on its way out.

[1:16:24] But in essence, if we took title March 2nd, we would have a total of almost 16,000 square

[1:16:31] feet occupied by city departments.

[1:16:37] Ms. D'Souza, which tenant is on its way out?

[1:16:41] I think they vacated in December and then porch financial, they've put their space, this

[1:16:50] has been reported to me but they've put their space up for sublease and are looking

[1:16:54] to leave.

[1:16:56] I think we may, we're still in due diligence here so we're still finding out some details

[1:17:00] on that but for now we've kind of underwritten it as though it's vacant.

[1:17:07] Okay, but if they were to sub-lease, then that would at least cover their lease payments

[1:17:12] through the date that you have here, is that accurate?

[1:17:15] Potentially, but you know, this is something that we are still researching, and you know,

[1:17:20] we would do this before we would waive due diligence.

[1:17:22] Okay, thanks.

[1:17:29] So this brings back the chart about missing space overall, and then possibly how it would

[1:17:35] fit into the arbor building.

[1:17:38] You know, obviously the 16,000 square feet does not get all of the 41,000 square feet of missing space.

[1:17:46] But, you know, there are some advantages, and the nice thing about this is it could happen fairly quickly.

[1:17:53] Three scenarios, and I will say that I think, you know, in my opinion, the first two are probably not the best.

[1:17:59] The third one is the best scenario here.

[1:18:02] scenario one police moves to the arbor building, they just expand right into

[1:18:07] there. I think there's been some concern kind of just anecdotally about

[1:18:13] mixing, you know, police with general office tenants that it might have a

[1:18:19] chilling effect on some tenants, either to renew their leases or to, you know,

[1:18:24] shop it to new tenants. Anyway, and also that building to its credit has a lot of

[1:18:30] windows and I don't know how secure it is for police needs.

[1:18:34] The second option, you know, we move the RDA and the community development and public

[1:18:39] utilities into the Arbor building and the police expands into the main floor of City Hall.

[1:18:46] Anyway, and I think there's some concerns with that about moving some of those departments

[1:18:50] out of City Hall and, you know, the Council may weigh in on some of that too.

[1:18:56] Anyway, and the last one would be to move the current occupants from the bottom level of the Justice Building over into the Arbor Building, and then that base or the lower level of the Justice Building could be renovated and ready to provide the additional police space.

[1:19:16] Who exactly is in that bottom level of the justice building currently?

[1:19:25] You've got the prosecutor's office right there.

[1:19:28] You've got the real-time crime unit.

[1:19:33] You have the internal investigations, you've got the victim advocates group.

[1:19:46] You've got the Fasten who does septid standards for the department.

[1:19:54] I think there's one of the personally I can't remember which one it is.

[1:20:02] I think the only one that you missed, did you see the prosecutor's office? Yes. So prosecutors, some sergeant offices, real time crime center, victim advocates, clerks. Oh, that's on the second floor. That's it.

[1:20:20] Okay, so trying to really wrap my head around all of the proposed scenarios and really understand

[1:20:28] them completely.

[1:20:29] Number three, so that was one of my questions was who are those and then the second

[1:20:33] part of my question would be after remodel and modifications and I'm assuming that the

[1:20:40] cost of that scenario wasn't included in anything that we're seeing tonight so there would be

[1:20:44] cost on top of the purchase of the arbor building to make that feasible.

[1:20:54] Yeah, there would be some additional costs.

[1:20:57] The 15 million that was quoted to move the police over there, it was through EDA architects,

[1:21:04] one person, one company looking at that, but short answer, yeah, there would be some additional

[1:21:11] costs.

[1:21:11] Okay.

[1:21:12] And then last question.

[1:21:13] and in Sonari number two, public utilities,

[1:21:15] sorry, one second, aren't they already planning

[1:21:20] to move out of City Hall into their facility

[1:21:24] off of 90th?

[1:21:25] Yes.

[1:21:26] So why would we suggest that they would move

[1:21:31] into the arbor building?

[1:21:34] That's still up right now.

[1:21:36] It's arbor buildings, one option going over to their space

[1:21:41] the space over near 90th is another option as well, so it's just we're focused on

[1:21:47] moving them out so that there would be different opportunities for people to move around, so.

[1:21:56] That's all that I have right now.

[1:22:00] Can I ask, this may be a date there?

[1:22:04] So the four departments, so if we empty the bottom level of the justice building,

[1:22:10] four departments, prosecutors, RTCC, Internal Investigations Victims Advocate.

[1:22:16] I mean, are they occupying 15,000 square feet now?

[1:22:21] I guess I'm guessing no.

[1:22:23] So, they won't fill up the building.

[1:22:27] We still, I am looking to understand the utilization.

[1:22:32] I'm looking to avoid a situation where we buy a building for use and

[1:22:37] And then discover that it doesn't really work for us after all.

[1:22:40] And I can understand that you're saying we may just decide to move public utilities there.

[1:22:48] But it seems to me they had been planning on going to their operations center and it

[1:22:54] seems like that's where they probably want to be and that makes good sense for us.

[1:22:59] So I'm trying to like not just fill space, right, but do it with some intentionality in

[1:23:05] I remind that it works and this entire thing is justified because it's a good solution for what we need.

[1:23:13] I think what we're trying to decide is this building, that.

[1:23:18] So anything else you can offer to justify and explain would be helpful, Mr. Bees.

[1:23:25] Sure. So one of the main reasons for public utilities, whether they expanded up in Nandia, South or not, was to vacate the middle floor of City Hall, which then created more space for the police department.

[1:23:38] So that was one of the main reasons for considering them, because then both sides of that area on the second floor then become part of the police department.

[1:23:51] Okay, that's good to know. So it wasn't really their need. It was the police department's need.

[1:23:56] Well, you know, they have a concept about going up there. That hasn't been vetted by the administration or the city council yet.

[1:24:03] And so that could take five years, that could take two years, that could take 10 years.

[1:24:09] But in the meantime, you know, our goal was looking for space for police or goal was looking for space for parks and recreation.

[1:24:19] As far as the answer on the cost to do renovations on the bottom level of the Justice Court, that would depend who moved in.

[1:24:30] Some departments would need more modifications than others.

[1:24:33] Some of the space that's not being occupied right now, for instance, over there is a courtroom on the bottom level that's being used once a month by the youth court.

[1:24:45] but other than that it's sitting so those are the kind of situations you

[1:24:53] know that the police department was basically occupying spaces that were

[1:24:58] easy to occupy

[1:25:00] Without making, without costing renovations. And sorry. You know, you can take the art skill, you can take practice space for the art skill. Well, that courtroom could be an ideal location for that. Without very much cost. And so it really depends on, you know, it's 18,000 square feet that can then be used for, for parchment recreation, for the art skill, they're for police.

[1:25:29] But it gives us the chance to then once the Arbor Building is purchased, you know, Martin had a good example of that.

[1:25:41] It's like a big slide puzzle.

[1:25:43] You've all seen these puzzles where you have to move one piece in order to be able to move another.

[1:25:47] And right now we're very tight.

[1:25:50] Securing the Arbor Building would allow us to move more pieces.

[1:25:55] Public utilities is focused on 90th because that's been their option.

[1:25:59] This hasn't been an option, so just very quickly now we're looking at, okay, they could go there.

[1:26:05] We're not saying they are, but we now have the opportunity to look at what fits best,

[1:26:11] what's most importantly, what's best for our residents, what's allows us to continue to provide services to them.

[1:26:18] And to how can we do it in the most cost effective way?

[1:26:22] So looking at these parcels, looking at the options, can we put a department over here with very minimal if hardly any modifications and get them serving the public?

[1:26:35] And so accessing the arbor building allows us, it frees up a space in that puzzle so we can slide more pieces around.

[1:26:43] Ms. Houseman.

[1:26:45] Thank you Madam Chair, both of you actually started down the path that you that I was going to ask about so it's great because I feel like though there is absolute value in having like this, where the piece is potentially going to go, it sounds like the bigger question is as we look across and I know we're definitely obviously spending more time on the arbor plaza but it feels like the first question we're trying to answer is which of these three buildings

[1:27:14] gives us the greatest flexibility, sounds like we have landed on Arbor, and so now we're thinking

[1:27:22] what does that flexibility look like? And so I guess I want to just reiterate,

[1:27:28] I think that is a high priority, is what gives us flexibility because we will continue

[1:27:35] to change in response to resident needs. We are continually reflecting on outcomes,

[1:27:44] and the outcomes we are getting for residents.

[1:27:47] And in response to those outcomes,

[1:27:49] there might be, we might try something,

[1:27:52] and it's not the right call,

[1:27:54] and we're gonna need to make another call,

[1:27:56] and perhaps move some people around again,

[1:27:58] back to your little metaphor of the sliding pieces.

[1:28:02] So in addition to the idea of flexibility,

[1:28:06] I think we've gotta be driven by,

[1:28:10] and you sort of touched on this,

[1:28:11] so I'm going to just echo it.

[1:28:16] All allocation of resources have to be connected to

[1:28:20] greatest outcomes possible.

[1:28:22] And so I feel that that is part of the struggle

[1:28:24] and the appropriate wrestle that we are having is

[1:28:30] what pieces do go where in order to yield the outcome.

[1:28:34] And so it's not just a matter of square footage,

[1:28:36] it's about can they accomplish the work that is so needed

[1:28:42] in that space, and I know there's different thoughts perhaps on the rehearsal space, but that is a community good, that is the arts are a benefit, and the inability to rehearse does diminish experiences that our community could have.

[1:29:02] Now would I prioritize that over police being able, no, of course not, but if there is a way to move those pieces around and still get the outcome of a rehearsal space to your point, the courtroom that is only used once a month, my goodness, that could be an appropriate space for the art skill to rehearse.

[1:29:24] I think outcomes and service has got to be critical not just being about the numbers

[1:29:33] and the square footage.

[1:29:37] Ms. Christensen.

[1:29:39] I just wanted to quick catch up here.

[1:29:41] So public utilities has no like there's not like an actual plan or a budget in place to move

[1:29:47] them. It was just an idea that could happen if we did that.

[1:29:51] Yes.

[1:29:51] That's been talked about for many years, but it's the only thing they have currently as a concept.

[1:29:55] Okay, thank you.

[1:30:00] Ms. Nichole. So, I'm thoroughly confused with all the talk about the public utilities building now. What's the square footage on that building?

[1:30:13] Public utilities. Public utilities operations building. I think 103,000 square feet. Was it not built with offices? Only on one part of it. Is it being the entire floor being utilized and second floors? Yes. Okay. Yeah.

[1:30:35] And what is it being, are they storing snow plows there, so we're separating the snow plows in case of a disaster or something like that?

[1:30:42] What is the concept of it would be to build, I can't remember how many square feet,

[1:30:55] Scott Ellis, public utilities.

[1:30:57] It's equivalent to what they're occupying here in City Hall, so I think it's like 4,400 square feet.

[1:31:03] Okay, yeah, thank you very much.

[1:31:05] And that would be on the front of the existing tilt up concrete building.

[1:31:10] Right, that just threw me on bringing that building in there.

[1:31:13] I do have one specific question about the armor building.

[1:31:16] Is that slam on grade or does it have a basement?

[1:31:19] There's no basement.

[1:31:20] Okay.

[1:31:21] Yeah.

[1:31:22] Miss Alessmann.

[1:31:24] Thank you, my apologies.

[1:31:25] I jumped quick to an assumption and I did not cause.

[1:31:28] I want to back up.

[1:31:31] Is the, am I correct in understanding that we have weighed

[1:31:36] across these buildings, flexibility as a measure, and we believe the Arbor Plaza

[1:31:42] office building does provide the greatest flexibility now and potentially in

[1:31:48] the future. In terms of timing I would say definitely, I mean you know

[1:31:53] March 2nd we can have 15,000 square feet. You know size-wise I mean the

[1:32:06] You know, there's a lot of different factors, you know, and I think our hope today is to

[1:32:13] give the City Council a bunch of alternatives and maybe help you weigh the pros and cons.

[1:32:18] But you know, seek some direction from the Council as to, you know, what direction you'd

[1:32:23] like to go with it.

[1:32:30] All right.

[1:32:30] Next slide.

[1:32:34] All right.

[1:32:35] Okay.

[1:32:36] Only I just was going back because we kind of stopped at the scenarios and then the considerations.

[1:32:41] So help me understand what you mean with those considerations.

[1:32:45] Well, just that, you know, 15 or 16,000 square feet, that doesn't get a few space for everything, you know, if our need is 41,000 square feet, yes, the arboreal thing gives us a lot of flexibility, but, you know, it doesn't give us 41,000 square feet right out of the gate.

[1:33:03] And I do just want to point out with parks and recreation the 23,000 I think it was said earlier it does include the gym and that's a lever that we can pull or let go.

[1:33:15] It's not a necessity.

[1:33:18] With the Sandy Community and Recreation Center being built, we're adding a gym into their portfolio that they did not have in the past.

[1:33:25] So that's some programmable space. Well, it's not in their offices. It will be in their inventory

[1:33:32] their current building

[1:33:36] It's a historic gem and it's a little bit of a goldfish too

[1:33:40] You know you put the goldfish into a bowl and it will grow into the size of the of the bowl that it's living in

[1:33:46] Apparently not a goldfish owner, but that's the analogy

[1:33:51] they use a lot of storage in that building that I don't think is necessary and so we can

[1:33:58] fine tune that Parks and Rec number for sure.

[1:34:01] And remind me if you recall if you remember what was the estimated cost from the architects

[1:34:08] of Alta Canyon Sports Center for adding the office space for Parks and Rec was it it was

[1:34:16] like an additional five to six million dollars I could be wrong on that but

[1:34:21] that's the number that sticks in my head okay I had two in my mind so it was I

[1:34:25] know it was at least five okay all right thank you

[1:34:32] let's see some financial

[1:34:36] analysis probably passed this to Brian okay

[1:34:45] thank you council and if we could

[1:34:47] zoom in on this. I'm not sure, Dustin, are you or Justin or on that?

[1:34:53] Liz is going to see if she can.

[1:34:55] Liz, okay.

[1:34:56] So a lot of numbers on this page.

[1:34:58] So I have in your

[1:35:00] Back at three scenarios, I'll just walk through them fairly quickly and see if you have any questions. And then I can talk about the process a little bit as well afterwards. But each of these scenarios assumes the same purchase price, the same amount for the cost of issuance, reserves for tenant improvements and capital reserves, same interest rates, a 20 year term. As we go down, the first scenario contemplates continuing leasing the same amount of square footage.

[1:35:29] So we would just occupy what's vacant here and now and continue leasing and so if we scroll down to the numbers below, if you could, so it goes out 20 years,

[1:35:44] the debt service is just about 610. The lease revenue assumes a 3% growth rate, which is built into the current leases.

[1:35:53] So, that grows over 20 years and maxes out a little over 2.1 million.

[1:35:59] Our operating costs are also assuming a 3% growth on those.

[1:36:05] We contemplate a payment back to the RDA because of their 5 million contribution into this,

[1:36:12] and with this, their payment back to them over the 20 years adds up to just over a million

[1:36:22] dollars so their net contribution would be 4 million. It brings it down to about a third of

[1:36:28] the total cost where we feel more comfortable with. We are contemplating in this scenario using

[1:36:35] some outside resources to help manage the tenants and the accounting of the leases.

[1:36:43] And so each year the last two columns the second the last one is the annual surplus

[1:36:47] plus, and then a cumulative balance that grows.

[1:36:52] And so you can see that over time we do develop a balance

[1:36:56] that could be used by the council for any purpose you want.

[1:37:01] If we do have more tenant improvements along the way,

[1:37:03] we would need to tap into that.

[1:37:07] And if things continued as assumed, we could potentially

[1:37:11] pay off the balance at about year 15

[1:37:13] if we had that amount left over at that time.

[1:37:17] So but again, any types of cat like a roof repair, any major catwalk project or tenant improvement would dwindle that balance but would have the balance to use in addition to the reserve.

[1:37:31] So that's that's the first scenario.

[1:37:33] Ms. Soundsman.

[1:37:36] Thank you.

[1:37:37] I know.

[1:37:38] I'm just waiting for the, when I can, when I can, just this okay?

[1:37:42] Yeah.

[1:37:43] Yeah.

[1:37:44] I want to make sure I'm, so, so previous conversation was, was literally about the buildings and

[1:37:50] I wanted to sort of highlight what it felt like we were prioritizing was flexibility of space.

[1:37:56] But then here, when we think about the fact that, and this is all our, our building, we think about the fact that we have tenants in the building, tenants are contributing, that I think isn't even, if, if one building certainly provides more flexibility than the other building, but the building that is perhaps slightly less flexible has tenants.

[1:38:25] and allows us to make this investment without pulling it out of our own funding like literally tenants are covering.

[1:38:35] And that's what all these numbers are telling us is we have tenants in these buildings that will cover the bond payment.

[1:38:43] So therefore we will not have to, in conjunction with RDA, I'm not ignoring that contribution.

[1:38:49] I want to make sure I'm understanding correctly that that isn't a significant why for considering the arbor building because of the tenants.

[1:39:01] So I guess I made that point earlier about flexibility is important, outcomes are important.

[1:39:08] And being able to accomplish both without spending taxpayer dollars in terms of because of tenants, I think that is something I really wanted to draw.

[1:39:19] attention to as well. If I said any of that incorrectly or you or I need to be

[1:39:24] clear like you need to clarify I think please let me know but that's that's my

[1:39:28] understanding and it's mapped out right here in terms of lease revenue what we

[1:39:32] would have coming in from tenants and you have factored in a lot of the tenants

[1:39:37] will renew and you know et cetera correct correct definitely this is a

[1:39:44] scenario you put together that would not draw upon the city's general fund or

[1:39:48] other resources. So, the goal of this would be to be able to have the least revenue, along

[1:39:53] with the RDA contribution, pay for the payments, and over time, you know, there wouldn't

[1:39:58] be any other cost.

[1:40:00] the city as contemplated, whereas with the option of the crescent middle, that would require

[1:40:06] some type of bond, definitely. And obviously, we wouldn't have least revenue there. So,

[1:40:11] there would need to be some type of source of revenue to help cover those bond payments.

[1:40:16] Same as if we just renovated the justice court, and if it is 15 million, or even if it's

[1:40:23] 10 million, we wouldn't have any lease revenue in that instance either to help cover it.

[1:40:28] So, financially speaking, this is definitely the least impactful of the options we're looking at.

[1:40:36] Let me say, though, too, with the office or the post office building,

[1:40:41] it's a much smaller square footage would be getting, but the RDA could be the sole source there,

[1:40:48] and there wouldn't be any debt payments on that option.

[1:40:51] But that's from what I remember, that's under $5 million.

[1:40:55] That's, I think, it's three or four.

[1:40:56] So, it's much smaller, it doesn't really solve all of our needs, but it would not have an impact on the general fund either.

[1:41:06] So, sorry, just wrapping it up.

[1:41:10] Thank you for making sure I was understanding it clearly.

[1:41:13] I think it's important for the public to understand clearly as well, like all of the different things that are coming into consideration.

[1:41:20] And I don't want it to be perceived that the arbor building does not allow us flexibility.

[1:41:27] I actually think it does, and we don't need necessarily to go into that.

[1:41:32] But based on everything I've kind of studied and you've shared, it does feel like there's flexibility.

[1:41:38] Is it a completely empty building like the school is no, but I would prefer a building that has tenants.

[1:41:45] And we have lease revenue, et cetera.

[1:41:48] So, I wanted to just point that out that I think there is absolutely flexibility.

[1:41:55] We can achieve the right call.

[1:41:58] I know we will figure out who can go where because it sounds to me like we are thinking

[1:42:04] about the right things and we are thinking about what are the outcomes that residents deserve

[1:42:08] and how do we allocate the space with outcomes in mind.

[1:42:14] We're thinking about those things and what I think is significantly important is we are thinking about how do we do all of this without tapping into the general fund?

[1:42:25] Paying through lease revenue. So I just wanted to make sure we're echoing that for the public that's following along. Thank you.

[1:42:32] Stepping through what you're just talking about and all this financial information.

[1:42:41] We need 41,000 square feet.

[1:42:45] That's what this packet has told us that we need 41,000 square feet.

[1:42:52] The building overall is 66,000.

[1:42:56] So it surpasses our needs at least for now, gives a room for growth in the long term.

[1:43:03] We need tenants in order to pay the debt service so that we don't go to the taxpayers to pay for

[1:43:10] any of this. We like the scenario. So we, because we need tenants, we may always need

[1:43:20] tenants, but what I'm coming up with is because we have to have the tenants for the period

[1:43:28] that we have the bond, a minimum of 15, maybe as many as 20 years, we don't get the square

[1:43:35] fair footage we really need for 15 to 20 years.

[1:43:39] Are we okay with that?

[1:43:40] Do we recognize that?

[1:43:42] Are we okay with that?

[1:43:44] That works for us?

[1:43:46] I just, I would like to get that established.

[1:43:52] No, I think that's a very fair question and, you know, we're here presenting alternatives.

[1:43:58] I mean, I think that's the question that the council should probably ask.

[1:44:06] Mr. Pace.

[1:44:10] It is a great question and will we have the space that we need up front?

[1:44:14] No, will we have more space and be able to do more, yes.

[1:44:19] How soon, they haven't shown you the two other options yet, I mean the two other tables yet.

[1:44:25] This is the best case scenario, there's a worst case scenario, and there's a mill scenario.

[1:44:32] And each one allows us to occupy certain parts of the building at a certain date.

[1:44:37] I'm confident that over time we'd be able to occupy more of the buildings more slowly.

[1:44:42] Slowly can be good.

[1:44:47] But I'll just give you my perspective.

[1:44:50] We moved into City Hall 32 years ago.

[1:44:54] We built an 85,000 square foot building.

[1:44:57] we thought we were never going to need any more.

[1:45:00] We need more space ever again, and now we're sitting here three or two years later, and we need 30,000, maybe 35, depending on the GM situation. We need a lot more space again. And so the fact that that is set aside for a number of years is a good thing. 20 years from now, we might need more of that 66,000 square foot building than we anticipated.

[1:45:30] Is it there's not one of these is the perfect option because it either it either requires too much from the general fund or

[1:45:40] too much of a or requires going back to the public there's a lot everyone has its upsides and its downsides.

[1:45:50] This one has upsides you know for a number of reasons but it will not get us exactly what we need up front.

[1:45:57] I believe over time it will give us what we need.

[1:46:00] And so the question is, that's okay with you because I'd also asked the both of them.

[1:46:04] I'd love to ask two experts the same question and see if I get the same answer.

[1:46:08] So I asked both of them over the term, how much of the building would we be able to occupy?

[1:46:18] If we grow into it, we're paying down the debt service, we're increasing rents in accordance

[1:46:24] with market rates.

[1:46:25] How much of the building will we be able to grow into and occupy while we're still still carrying debt service?

[1:46:32] Dan Nelson said 40% Brian said 42% so that's that I think 42% of the building square footage.

[1:46:46] Yeah, well I mean as it relates to the you know so we can occupy 15 or 16,000 square feet up front.

[1:46:53] right as far as what we can grow into while we're still carrying the loan while we're still if

[1:47:00] there's no changes to your debt service you're going to hate this but a lot of it depends on the

[1:47:05] market you know I mean if the if the office market goes up then all of a sudden we get more income

[1:47:10] that is very fair it's very fair we are assuming some risk you know and and on the flip side you know

[1:47:19] if tenants vacate or the office building dives and all of a sudden we're having to put

[1:47:24] money into tenant improvements to get new leases in there, you know, that could hurt you the

[1:47:29] other way. Yeah. Well, just wanting to get some level of comfort and chain your the right person.

[1:47:34] I'm not going to be here in 15 years and I doubt you are either. But if we're looking at this as a

[1:47:41] long-term solution. Are we okay with having our plan take 15 to 20 years to

[1:47:51] materialize? Are we okay with that or is someone going to come back to us in a

[1:47:56] couple of years and say we have an unmet need right now. Yeah we have a building

[1:48:01] that we bought but we can't use it. And that will depend on the elected

[1:48:05] officials at the time. I hate to say that but that's true. We get out there

[1:48:10] 10 years, and they feel like that they need more space faster.

[1:48:15] They have the option to come up with alternatives to buy down the building quicker or to occupy more of the space.

[1:48:24] That's the great thing about this building, is that it provides options for the elected officials in the future and for the staff in the future to figure that out.

[1:48:36] Ms. D'Souza.

[1:48:39] Well, quite frankly, you kind of went down the path that I was going down, and I, you know,

[1:48:43] I'm hearing Council Member Houseman and her, and I know that there's still other scenarios

[1:48:47] that you want to go through, and this is kind of best case, and yes, this may offer the most

[1:48:54] flexibility or the flexibility that we think we need, but in this particular funding

[1:48:59] scenario, we have zero flexibility outside of what's currently occupiable until this is paid

[1:49:05] made off, otherwise all of this funding doesn't change, right?

[1:49:09] And so, you know, definitely curious to look at the other scenarios.

[1:49:14] I do think, you know, one of the other solutions that maybe you didn't mention in terms of future

[1:49:21] elected officials is maybe we sell the building, you know, maybe that's an option too.

[1:49:25] And so anyway, I just wanted to respond to Council Member Houseman to make sure that we're

[1:49:31] thinking about things and in specific to the scenario, okay?

[1:49:36] Or since this contemplates emptying out at some point,

[1:49:40] the Parks and Rec building, we have that property to sell too.

[1:49:45] So we have a couple of back stops in here.

[1:49:48] It would be nice if to my question, does this solve our problem?

[1:49:52] The answer was yes, instead of maybe, but I get it.

[1:49:57] Yes.

[1:50:01] And if I could add to you, one of the goals we had, one of the desires of the police department, as we went through these analysis, was they would like to be in one location, have their whole department together for operational efficiency. And so the one alternative where we move some people over to Arbor and allow police to expand in the second floor, that's one of the options that allows them to stay in one building or for the most part. The option of moving them all into the court building requires the expansion.

[1:50:31] and that cost to build in the A3M, so there's two levels there, which, you know, based on the one architect, is more expensive than buying this building.

[1:50:43] And likewise, what the crescent middle would be more expensive than this option.

[1:50:51] If I could go on the next scenario, please.

[1:50:56] So same assumptions at the top, but this is worst case scenario.

[1:50:59] And Liz, if you wouldn't mind zooming in to the, basically what we're looking at here,

[1:51:07] if we look at the lease revenue column, we're just saying what if each of the leases expired

[1:51:13] at their nearest term, at the expiration?

[1:51:17] And you can see it goes, drops precipitously downward quickly from 1.18 into fiscal year 27 down

[1:51:25] to 519,000, down to just under 200,000.

[1:51:30] And if you look at the surplus deficit column,

[1:51:33] you can see that in fiscal year 28,

[1:51:36] we would go into the negative that fiscal year.

[1:51:39] So it doesn't take hardly any time to not really pay

[1:51:43] for itself if we were to let the leases expire.

[1:51:47] And then the next slide

[1:51:54] is what, if you look at the surplus

[1:51:59] plus steps at column, and I just zeroed those out,

[1:52:01] so if we're just trying to break even

[1:52:03] and cover our costs each year,

[1:52:05] where could we allow the lease revenue to be at?

[1:52:10] And so that, the column of lease revenue

[1:52:12] is what I'm adjusting each year to break even

[1:52:15] at zero on the yearly total.

[1:52:19] And we have to still grow that.

[1:52:22] We can't keep, you know, it's not keeping a 3%

[1:52:25] and keeping all of our leases,

[1:52:26] But instead of it escalating up to 2.1 million in year 20, it tops out at 1.49, which is about, I think I transpose the number when I talked to earlier.

[1:52:39] I think it's about 34% of square footage of the total lease revenue. So if you extrapolate that into square footage, it'd be about 34%.

[1:52:51] but that's just one way to look at it it's not exact and there are a lot of assumptions

[1:52:57] we're making here like Dan said it depends on the market

[1:53:02] but anyway here's this scenario showing you what's our question can we do that for

[1:53:07] actually like this one a lot confidence level I mean I know it depends on the market but like

[1:53:12] somewhat comfortable with this scenario like thinking it could be accurate ish I know that's

[1:53:19] a broad assumption? Is it a reasonable assumption that this could happen or not?

[1:53:27] Yeah, that we can maintain the 34% lease rate, is that what we say?

[1:53:33] Well, yeah, the current mix of tenants, you mean?

[1:53:37] Yeah, I mean, it is a soft office market. Office tenants, they have lots of options right now.

[1:53:44] But, you know, this is a good size to lease, you know, office tenants of 20,000 square feet

[1:53:51] are very rare, office tenants of, you know, 4 to 8,000 square feet are more common.

[1:53:58] Are we going to lose tenants?

[1:53:59] Yes.

[1:54:00] Are we going to find new ones?

[1:54:01] Yes.

[1:54:03] You know, and the timing and pricing of those is just, you know, that is an uncertainty that

[1:54:09] you would be buying with this.

[1:54:11] Thank you.

[1:54:16] I'm just trying to understand and make sure that we're all kind of talking and thinking

[1:54:20] about it in the same way.

[1:54:22] So, looking at this scenario, it's kind of the middle of the road, you know, we still

[1:54:26] have some tenants, but we occupy maybe more space than we would in scenario one.

[1:54:32] Is that right?

[1:54:34] It would allow us to.

[1:54:35] Okay.

[1:54:35] And your kind of breakeven, it sounds like you believe that we could occupy the 34%, that's what I wanted to clarify, up to 34% approximately of the square footage of the total building and still have enough space to lease out to maintain the bond payments, is that, am I thinking about that?

[1:54:57] That's what that's one way I've looked at it. I don't know

[1:55:00] Dan may look at it a different way, but I've looked at our lease revenue in this scenario is about 34% of the lease revenue in the first scenario where we keep all the tenants. And, based on that percentage, you know, would be able to keep, occupy about 23,000 square feet. It's going to depend on who comes and who leaves and who renews and, you know, what the market is. Really, what's going to drive that?

[1:55:30] But that gives just me some idea of how it could play out.

[1:55:35] Okay, and I get that in your scenario, it sounds like you're assigning an average dollar per square foot to the entire thing equally where maybe some spaces can go for more and less, and I get the nuance of that.

[1:55:52] But so 34% of 66, I am not the accountant, but I have it about 225, 22,491 square feet of the building.

[1:56:04] We could occupy potentially in this scenario should all of the other financials meet the goal of hitting the bond payments.

[1:56:13] Is that?

[1:56:14] Yeah, that's how I looked at it there.

[1:56:16] Okay, thank you.

[1:56:20] Ms. Nichole?

[1:56:21] Rookie just brought up something, but we would have to maintain some flexibility in the

[1:56:25] square footage of that building to bring in those market rents, right?

[1:56:30] So that's a consideration, too.

[1:56:33] Yeah.

[1:56:34] Yeah.

[1:56:34] You know, and a tenant improvement allowance is going to be expensive.

[1:56:37] I mean, we've underwritten something at the beginning, just set aside some money for capital

[1:56:42] expenditures if it needs a new roof, you know, but if you're leasing a new tenant space,

[1:56:47] that's pricey, too.

[1:56:48] so it's all yeah these are all the factors of buying an income property so

[1:56:57] if I

[1:56:57] could talk about the process a little bit as Dan went over the closing date

[1:57:03] currently as it stands as March 2nd so if we back into that the timing for us

[1:57:09] to issue bonds and would be contemplating a direct purchase with the regional

[1:57:13] bank we would need to have a parameters resolution approved by the City Council

[1:57:18] So bring it to you next week on the 20th and have that approval for us to start the

[1:57:24] wills in motion.

[1:57:25] That was set of public hearing for the public probably February 3rd and it sets a 30-day

[1:57:31] contest period for public to comment and contest it.

[1:57:37] We would put in the language of the parameters resolution that it could be removed at any time.

[1:57:43] So you could at a future council meeting.

[1:57:45] If you get to the due diligence date of the council meeting was February 17th and you decide to back away, you could just put on the agenda an item for a motion to remove the authority and cancel the browners resolution.

[1:58:01] So we can stop it at any time even clear up until closing if you'd like to. We can put that language in the browners resolution.

[1:58:11] But if you do want us to keep moving forward and try to hit that date of March 2nd, we would need something approved next week to at least allow us to start moving forward.

[1:58:24] So council,

[1:58:30] did you change, do you have something else you feel like it's important to add right now?

[1:58:33] Yes, I don't think the Dan had updated you on the request for an extension.

[1:58:37] Yeah, we did ask to extend the closing date and the seller said they would like to increase

[1:58:45] the purchase price by 150,000, so that's the update.

[1:58:53] Extend the closing date by 45 days.

[1:59:01] Miss Houseman.

[1:59:03] Thank you.

[1:59:04] And I know you're not on this slide, but I'm on the slide where you sort of lay it all out

[1:59:10] here are the advantages, here are the disadvantages.

[1:59:13] And so if you're sort of asking for kind of where are you, Council, in terms of what can we potentially expect next week?

[1:59:22] The advantage is that I'm seeing, and I want to make it clear, like when I highlighted two things that I think are of the utmost importance, I said flexibility.

[1:59:32] I know it's not fully flexible, but it does give us flexibility by way of being able to move some people.

[1:59:40] So I still see it as flexible and funding like you the two things that I

[1:59:45] indicated were really critical at least from my perspective are actually listed

[1:59:48] in here as advantages I was already coming into that without the without your

[1:59:53] list here just so just so you know so for me I feel like the advantages

[2:00:00] The alignment between what I think is most critical and what you've indicated are the advantages. For me, that gives me what I need to be able to say yes. Let's at least set this, this parameter, what you call it, parameter resolution. In motion next week, I think I, to be honest, I don't want to pay another $150,000. If you were telling us that we can hit stop, there is still,

[2:00:30] additional flexibility. That's where I am. I think we move forward, but that's just me.

[2:00:46] Mr. Out.

[2:00:49] I think I agree with you on just about everything, Ms.

[2:00:53] Houseman, it's, I mean, even walking into this, you know, looking at the four different scenarios there.

[2:00:58] I mean, it is the middle, you know, neither the post office or the expansion of the Justice Court fits our needs,

[2:01:06] our future needs, and it doesn't even fit our current needs and let alone any sort of future needs.

[2:01:12] You know, the Crescent View Middle School

[2:01:14] we're still waiting on that one and it's huge

[2:01:16] and that's set up as a school.

[2:01:19] That is not set up as an office building.

[2:01:21] Does it have some benefits?

[2:01:22] Yes, it does.

[2:01:24] But it is, it's not set up as an office building.

[2:01:27] I mean, that's, I spend 10 hours a day inside of a school.

[2:01:31] It is not, it would take significant remodeling

[2:01:37] to be able to get it to work.

[2:01:39] You know, and then proximity, you know,

[2:01:40] We look here at Arbor building, I mean, just having a municipal campus of being close.

[2:01:48] It is not because it is cookie cutter at this point.

[2:01:51] I mean, we could say, well, we've got about 15,000 square feet.

[2:01:54] Well, it's kind of hit and miss.

[2:01:56] It's not like you can move something and say, well, this whole chunk right now is ready for us to take care of.

[2:02:01] So, looking at that, and as we move tenants around, as tenants move in and out,

[2:02:05] I mean, this is a process and it will take some time and we'll have to be patient with

[2:02:11] that.

[2:02:11] You know, the benefits of the current tenants making the payments for us.

[2:02:17] I mean, that is significant.

[2:02:19] You know, it minimizes resident financial impact.

[2:02:26] Will we or could we end up in a spot where we have to look at something where it's impacting

[2:02:31] residents?

[2:02:32] That may happen.

[2:02:33] But right now we're not looking at those scenarios saying oh shoot, you know, we've got a problem and we have to do this right now

[2:02:40] Looking down the road at at 25 years. I mean, that's you know Mr. Pace brought that up

[2:02:44] You know, I mean 30 years ago. This was all we would ever need here at City Hall and

[2:02:50] That's no longer the case where we're going to be in 30 years instead of saying well

[2:02:54] We only really needed half of that well we needed the entire thing if we need it if we don't but it is there

[2:03:00] And yes, we can look at selling if we need to

[2:03:03] I mean, there's just, there's so many benefits.

[2:03:08] Are there some questions, yes?

[2:03:09] I'm not worried about who's going in there right now

[2:03:12] or who's going in there first

[2:03:13] because it does give us time.

[2:03:16] We don't have to make that decision next week.

[2:03:18] We don't have to make it next month.

[2:03:21] We can look at this and say, what is going to be the best thing

[2:03:25] and for the future?

[2:03:26] If this tenant doesn't renew the lease and somebody else does,

[2:03:30] then that actually builds on to this space

[2:03:31] And now it makes it makes sense to be moving this department or a portion of this department there because we're not just saying oh, we're going to put four of your personnel over there and that other seven will have to wait and we'll put you up on the second floor away from them.

[2:03:46] So we do have that time. I mean, all of this, to me, it really makes sense. I feel comfortable moving forward. And I know they're $150,000. I'm like, no, I think we can, I would feel very comfortable moving forward next week.

[2:03:59] looking at parameters resolution, you know, setting things out for a bot.

[2:04:02] I mean, all of that's just saying let's just move forward with it.

[2:04:09] Mr. Susa.

[2:04:11] Thank you.

[2:04:12] So, taking all of this information, bumping it up against the question, the timeline.

[2:04:19] I too can be comfortable with a parameters resolution coming forward

[2:04:23] with the understanding that we have the ability to completely pull the plug prior to a bond being issued.

[2:04:29] I will say that I am incredibly sensitive to who goes in there and when, you know, I hear Council Member Strauss comments, but I have to say I take a completely opposite opinion.

[2:04:44] I think if we, the police department seems to have the biggest need for space.

[2:04:49] And I'm just going to be super transparent from the type of tenants that they have and the type of situation that we need financially to maintain tenants

[2:04:58] or have new tenants in.

[2:05:01] I am incredibly concerned that we are going to defeat the purpose of the benefit of the funding if we put the police department there.

[2:05:10] And so if we say yes to this and then administration decides we're going to put the police department there and that has a negative effect on our ability to maintain our tenants or to bring releases or to get market rate for those available spaces,

[2:05:28] than like I would be a hard knoll on this whole scenario, you know.

[2:05:33] I think that this scenario requires some give and take and some balance and some creative moving with and I don't think that we can think of this in like a silo in one with one part of it.

[2:05:47] Like we can't just think about one part of it and that's part of the question about how is the city planning on utilizing all of the space that we have for all of the departments because it all matters.

[2:05:56] You know, I agree this is not the perfect scenario.

[2:05:59] I don't know that there is a perfect scenario outside of knocking down, you know, everything

[2:06:04] and building one thing perfect for, you know, now.

[2:06:08] And every lever that we pull, there's an opposite lever that gets pushed.

[2:06:14] And we have to be conscientious and considerate of how all of the choices that we're making,

[2:06:20] you know, affect those things.

[2:06:21] And that's not to say that we need to go into analysis paralysis, you know.

[2:06:25] You know, you could over-analyze, but I think that we need to be conscientious of that.

[2:06:28] And so just for me, and I don't know how we do that, I need some assurance of who and

[2:06:37] how this space is going to be occupied, even in a tenant situation, you can't just move

[2:06:43] a tenant to another space, then we also incur more cost to create that space to fit the needs

[2:06:51] that they have, and that's just not practical in that situation.

[2:06:54] So we have to be really smart about it, but also if this is a matter of funding and where

[2:07:00] the council presently is potentially agreeing to a scenario and the administration makes

[2:07:09] choices that severely affect that scenario that scares me.

[2:07:14] So, okay, those are my comments.

[2:07:18] Ms. Christensen?

[2:07:22] I am in favor of like moving this forward to do the resolution.

[2:07:27] Do we want to meet, wow.

[2:07:30] Can I make a resolution?

[2:07:32] Are you guys okay with that?

[2:07:33] Do you want to finish?

[2:07:34] I just have to.

[2:07:34] Okay.

[2:07:36] I'm fine with moving forward with a bond parameter.

[2:07:40] I just have two bond specific questions.

[2:07:43] Can if this building does generate additional revenue, can we make a principal only payment?

[2:07:49] and pay it off early if that happens, you know, are there something we can do with that type of bond that we're going for?

[2:07:57] Yeah, the direct purchase would allow us the flexibility.

[2:08:00] There would be no call provision, so we could, you know, make payments, we could pay it off early at any time.

[2:08:07] Principal only payments?

[2:08:08] I'd have to double check on principal only.

[2:08:10] Okay.

[2:08:11] We definitely could renegotiate the terms at any time, we could pay it off at any time.

[2:08:17] That's one of the good things about doing the direct purchase as opposed to going out to the public market.

[2:08:23] And I'll find out on that question on a principle only payment for sure.

[2:08:27] Thank you. And I kind of echo broke Councilwoman D'Souza's comments.

[2:08:34] I want to like going talking about public utilities in their want or need or necessity or not want to move out of City Hall.

[2:08:44] Well, I would like to have an understanding with departments that we are not going to be able to do anything for a while because of this.

[2:08:53] We're not going to be able to build another building, we're not going to be able to bond again for something like this.

[2:08:59] I don't think there's an assurance that could be given, but the understanding there, I'd like everybody to understand that too.

[2:09:06] So, going forward on any other purchases.

[2:09:13] I'm okay if you go ahead and make a motion and it gets seconded, it sounds like we still

[2:09:17] have a little bit more discussion, but that doesn't prohibit a motion.

[2:09:21] So I would make a motion that we move forward with the bond paper, we're parameters.

[2:09:28] Thank you.

[2:09:30] And bring them back to the council.

[2:09:33] Second.

[2:09:34] Okay.

[2:09:35] We have a motion and a second and it sounds like there's a little more discussion, Ms.

[2:09:39] D'Souza.

[2:09:40] Thank you.

[2:09:40] I mean, not necessarily on the motion, but, sorry, something that I, there's so many things and it's hard to remember everything.

[2:09:48] The, we kind of came up about the fund that this, I don't even know how to say, that the least payments would come in and at what point

[2:10:00] And how would we create a separate account from the general fund, maybe an enterprise fund to be able to house any proceeds? Yeah, we would create a special revenue fund or an enterprise fund. So it's all self-contained that all the monies from the leases, all the expenses are in one fund, and it doesn't combing go with any other funds. Okay, so that is already an understanding that that's the way that you're going to do it. Okay, that was the only thing I had.

[2:10:30] So, I, too, will be supporting the motion.

[2:10:35] I think there's simply no harm.

[2:10:38] There's clearly a lot of interest.

[2:10:40] You have our interest piqued.

[2:10:41] We understand that there are numerous benefits.

[2:10:44] It doesn't mean that all our questions are answered,

[2:10:47] and we will get some more time to do that.

[2:10:51] I appreciate kind of the comments about

[2:10:54] what T's aren't crossed, which eyes aren't dotted,

[2:10:57] and I don't love the idea that we won't get everything defined. I don't love the idea

[2:11:10] that we're leaving some flexibility for certain councils for future councils. That also

[2:11:16] means we may be tying the hands of future councils and we don't want to do that either.

[2:11:20] So, the way I'll be operating going forward is I would love to know to the plan for what departments would be moving in.

[2:11:31] So, it kind of, it sounds like what we were saying is now that we know then maybe we can come up with kind of a game plan of what departments might be moving in.

[2:11:41] That would be a really good thing and helpful for me to know.

[2:11:44] I, before casting any kind of final votes, what is our game plan, does it work, is everybody okay with it?

[2:11:55] And the fact that this is cancelable, that we are, we're starting a process that we could end at any time,

[2:12:03] and we're doing it on an accelerated basis just because we have to meet a time frame,

[2:12:09] But, we're going to start the process and we're going to continue the consideration.

[2:12:14] That is what we're planning on doing.

[2:12:16] So, I'm okay with all of that, I'm sure we'll still have some more questions and want to have a lot and some more discussion.

[2:12:24] So, since we are really just taking a vote to show the administration kind of the council's sense, we'll just do a vote of voice vote.

[2:12:34] If there are no more comments, Mr. Kais, Mr. Pace.

[2:12:38] Yes, Dan may be better situated to speak to this, but you talked about council law at any time.

[2:12:43] Yes, but that declines over time and Dan maybe you can explain we have earnest money that goes hard February 19th.

[2:12:51] Correct.

[2:12:52] And then we have a closing date on March 2nd.

[2:12:56] So you can change your mind without really any consequence up to February 19th.

[2:13:02] After February 19th, you lose your earnest money and then of course March 30th, you have to make a plan in the decision.

[2:13:07] So I want to make sure that we and the public understand that, right?

[2:13:12] So that would be great.

[2:13:15] So I'll ask for a voice vote on the motion to start the to bring back a parameters resolution next week's.

[2:13:25] Yes.

[2:13:25] Next week. All in favor?

[2:13:28] Aye.

[2:13:29] Any opposed?

[2:13:30] Thank

[2:13:34] you.

[2:13:34] All right.

[2:13:34] Thank you.

[2:13:39] Brian, looks like you're going to stay up there because we're doing privacy awareness

[2:13:43] training.

[2:13:45] Yes.

[2:13:46] A fun topic here.

[2:13:47] So I just want to introduce the why we're showing this video for you tonight.

[2:13:53] So there's some new, the state legislature passed a new requirements for day to privacy.

[2:13:58] It's to protect all of us, really, and it's not that different than you get privacy statements

[2:14:04] from companies you work with, banks, and so forth, and they're just increasing the standard

[2:14:10] that governments have and keeping people's personal data private. And so we've been working

[2:14:15] on this past year becoming compliant with those. I'll just tell you a few of the things that are

[2:14:21] required. One of them is employee training, which is what we're doing with you tonight. All of our

[2:14:26] employees have to have at least an annual training and all new hires need to be trained within 30 days

[2:14:32] of higher. We need to post privacy notices out whenever we collect information. And this

[2:14:40] is pertaining to personal data. So it's anything that could identify an individual based on

[2:14:45] the data we're collecting. One of the other things is they want us to only collect data

[2:14:51] that's really necessary. So we minimalizing the data we collect to what's really needed

[2:14:56] is what's something that we're evaluating as well.

[2:15:00] How we store data that we keep an inventory, we need to track it and we know exactly how it's stored and how it can be accessed. We allow any customers or citizens to know if they need a change to their personal data, how they would go about that process.

[2:15:18] We need to identify if there's any ever sharing of data. And mostly the only sharing of data that happens here at the city is with other governmental agencies or with our partner vendors.

[2:15:29] like software vendors that we use to carry out business.

[2:15:35] There's an incident response, if there is a date of breach, we have some guidelines to follow and report those to the Attorney General in the State Cyber Center, and we have to follow the disposal and retention schedules that we have.

[2:15:49] of. So we've adopted a policy this year. I created a report. We have to be able to

[2:15:56] submit a report to the State Privacy Office on an annual basis. And those are all

[2:16:02] things that we've worked on this past year. And we just wanted to bring you up to speed

[2:16:06] on it. And with that, we can have Liz or Dustin show the video for training.

[2:16:13] Yes, I believe Liz will pull the video up here in just a minute.

[2:16:26] Welcome to the Data Privacy Awareness Training.

[2:16:30] In the next few minutes, we'll explore what data privacy is, how it impacts us, and how

[2:16:35] we can all play a part in protecting it.

[2:16:38] Privacy is a core value in Utah's history, and remains crucial in today's digital age.

[2:16:45] Governmental entities at all levels in Utah must uphold data privacy to protect citizens'

[2:16:51] interest, foster trust in public services, and ensure transparency and accountability.

[2:16:57] All governmental entities are subject to baseline data privacy requirements, established in

[2:17:02] the Government Data Privacy Act, which we refer to as GDPA. In addition, some entities

[2:17:08] are subject to more specific or restrictive regulations, like the Health Insurance Portability

[2:17:14] and Accountability Act, HIPAA, and the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, FERPA.

[2:17:19] entities must understand and comply with privacy obligations to safeguard

[2:17:24] personal data and maintain public trust. What is data privacy? In the private

[2:17:31] sector, we often have the ability to choose what happens with our personal data.

[2:17:36] But when it comes to government services, we don't always have the same type of

[2:17:40] control. Either we provide our personal data to access important services or we

[2:17:45] go without them. This contrast highlights the importance of data governance and its relationship

[2:17:50] to privacy. Data privacy refers to the protection and responsible management of personal data,

[2:17:57] ensuring that it is collected, accessed, used, and disclosed only as authorized. It safeguards

[2:18:04] an individual's control of their personal data, such as financial details, health information,

[2:18:09] and online activity, so the data is kept secure and used only for authorized purposes.

[2:18:16] GDPA plays a crucial role in data privacy by creating baseline requirements in law

[2:18:22] that govern how personal data should be collected, stored, used, and shared by governmental entities.

[2:18:29] How does records management relate to data privacy?

[2:18:33] Data privacy is tied to the records we create,

[2:18:36] From physical documents to digital data, collecting personal data can be easy, but managing it is much harder.

[2:18:44] Without proper records management, from the collection of personal data to its disposal, government entities are likely to see lost productivity, unnecessary expenses, over collection, and possibly even data breaches.

[2:18:57] Governmental entities must classify and organize records to safeguard an individual's data privacy.

[2:19:04] Records must be managed according to their record series attributes, for example,

[2:19:09] how long they need to be kept, how sensitive they are, and what they are used for.

[2:19:14] Proper records management protects data privacy and transparency

[2:19:17] while allowing your entity to effectively use personal data to provide essential services.

[2:19:24] Data privacy obligations for government.

[2:19:26] Protecting an individual's personal data helps build trust between the public and government.

[2:19:32] Every governmental entity in Utah is required to initiate a data privacy program.

[2:19:38] This program is the framework by which your entity will implement data privacy practices that fulfill their data privacy obligations.

[2:19:46] Data privacy practices include safeguards to protect personal data, meet legal requirements, and inform individuals about their data privacy interests.

[2:19:55] The data-privacy program of each governmental entity should be cussed.

[2:20:00] Customize to meet its specific requirements while accounting for the baseline standards set by the GDPA. Here are some examples of privacy practices your privacy program may include. Designating a chief administrative officer who will be responsible for overseeing the governmental entity's data privacy program, conducting an inventory of all the personal data collected in process by the governmental entity, providing a clear data privacy notice on forms when collecting personal data

[2:20:29] or user data. Ensuring that only the minimum amount of personal data is collected to achieve

[2:20:35] the governmental entity's purposes. Disposing of personal data, according to approved

[2:20:41] retention schedules, to ensure that personal data is not retained longer than necessary,

[2:20:46] providing notice of a data breach to impacted individuals. Data privacy practices like these

[2:20:52] provide a strong foundation for your data privacy program. You should contact your entity's

[2:20:58] Chief Administrative Officer, if you are unaware of what data privacy practices you should

[2:21:03] be following.

[2:21:04] You can learn more about these and other generally applicable data privacy practices

[2:21:08] by visiting privacy.utah.gov.

[2:21:12] Utah's forward-looking strategy.

[2:21:15] Many of the data privacy practices have existed in various parts of Utah law for over 30 years.

[2:21:22] As technology has advanced, some of these obligations have not been fully implemented

[2:21:27] by governmental entities. The Government Data Privacy Act, GDPA, establishes a forward-looking

[2:21:34] strategy that helps address such gaps. All new processing activities implemented by governmental

[2:21:40] entities must be compliant with the requirements in the GDPA. Processing activities may include

[2:21:46] how the data is collected, organized, altered, accessed, or stored. For pre-existing processing

[2:21:54] testing activities, entities are required to document areas of non-compliance and develop

[2:21:59] strategies to bring those activities into compliance.

[2:22:03] This proactive approach ensures that Utah remains a leader in protecting individual's

[2:22:09] data privacy, while considering resource allocation and prioritization.

[2:22:13] It will take many years to build mature data privacy programs and processes, but with consistent

[2:22:19] and disciplined efforts, all governmental entities in Utah will be leaders in data privacy.

[2:22:26] Your role in data privacy. As a government employee who processes personal data in your daily

[2:22:32] work, whether it's handling forms, maintaining IT systems, or providing services, your actions

[2:22:38] directly impact data privacy. Here's how you can contribute to protecting an individual's data privacy.

[2:22:45] Common tasks involving personal data, collecting personal data through online forms, best practice,

[2:22:53] minimize the amount of data collected, obtain clear consent, provide a personal data collection

[2:22:58] notice, and crypt the information. Storing personal data in a database, best practice,

[2:23:05] restrict access to personal data to authorize personnel only. Establish clear data retention policies

[2:23:12] that define how long personal data will be stored and how it should be used.

[2:23:18] Conduct regular audits to detect vulnerabilities,

[2:23:21] sharing personal data with third parties,

[2:23:24] best practice, enter into formal data sharing agreements,

[2:23:28] anonymize or pseudonymize personal data before sharing.

[2:23:32] Small actions like updating outdated forms or reporting potential risks

[2:23:37] contribute to a privacy conscious culture.

[2:23:41] Conclusion. Now that you understand the importance of data privacy, remember that we all have a responsibility to protect personal data.

[2:23:50] By following the practices outlined in GDPA, we strengthen trust in our systems and protect individuals' data privacy interests.

[2:23:59] At the Utah Office of Data Privacy, we are here to assist in prioritizing data privacy.

[2:24:05] Together, we can build a more secure and trusted government for all.

[2:24:11] Thank you for watching.

[2:24:12] For more information, visit privacy.utah.gov.

[2:24:16] It

[2:24:24] was thrilling.

[2:24:24] Thank you.

[2:24:25] If

[2:24:28] you have any questions as we go forward tonight.

[2:24:31] Any questions?

[2:24:32] Let's cut Brian.

[2:24:33] Thank you.

[2:24:34] Thank you, Brian.

[2:24:34] Appreciate you.

[2:24:36] All right.

[2:24:37] What have we got?

[2:24:37] We've got two sets of minutes on the consent calendar to approve.

[2:24:43] Do I have a motion?

[2:24:45] I move that we approve the consent calendar.

[2:24:48] Second.

[2:24:49] All in favor?

[2:24:50] Aye.

[2:24:51] Any opposed?

[2:24:54] All right.

[2:24:55] Those are adopted.

[2:24:58] Sorry, Ben, to have had you waiting.

[2:25:00] Thanks so long. Item number seven on our council agenda is a voting item, and that's for the advice and consent of Ben Hill. Council, this is, this is a continuation of what we heard last week. Does council have any questions or comments?

[2:25:20] I will entertain a motion.

[2:25:32] But I motion to go ahead and improve Mr. Ben Hill is our new parks and rec director. Second,

[2:25:42] motion and a second.

[2:25:43] And are any comments or a discussion, council?

[2:25:47] Madam Chair, just one comment on the motion.

[2:25:49] Could we include the resolution number in the motion please?

[2:25:52] It's a 26-0-2C.

[2:25:57] 26-0-2C.

[2:25:59] It's also a voting item, so we need to take public comment on it too.

[2:26:04] All right.

[2:26:04] As amended, let's go ahead and open public comment on this one

[2:26:08] and then we'll go for a discussion from the council.

[2:26:12] I have no blue cards on this item.

[2:26:14] If anyone in the chambers would like to make a comment on that,

[2:26:17] please feel free to come up to the podium.

[2:26:19] Or the podium, if anyone online would make a comment,

[2:26:23] like to make a comment on this item,

[2:26:25] please go ahead and use the raise hand feature,

[2:26:28] and we'll call on you.

[2:26:41] We have nothing.

[2:26:42] I'm going to close public comment on this item.

[2:26:45] I just want to make a really quick comment on this.

[2:26:50] And that generally is to recognize the importance

[2:26:53] of our Parks and Rec Department, you know, we do advice and consent for all our departments,

[2:26:59] and some of our departments get a lot of attention. You know, police and fire and well-deserved

[2:27:05] attention. They're just top of mind. But then we have the unsung heroes that work for Sandy,

[2:27:12] and the Parks and Rec Department has brings such value to our community. It's unrecognized.

[2:27:20] they work so hard, they create the quality of life in Sandy that every single one of us enjoy and I know is really important to our residents and our constituents.

[2:27:33] So, just wanted to take that opportunity to make that comment and recognize that we have the greatest individuals working in that department.

[2:27:44] I appreciate their dedication. I appreciate their hard work.

[2:27:47] work. You know, for some reason they never complain. I don't know why. They probably

[2:27:54] have reason, but we never hear from them. We see them. We see the trucks out there, but

[2:28:01] boy, what they are contributing to our city and to the residents that live here. It's

[2:28:06] just thank you for letting me kind of go on a soapbox and talk about just the importance

[2:28:11] of that department. We have a motion and a second. I'm ready for a roll call vote, Ms. Edwards.

[2:28:22] Thank you, Madam Chair. Ms. Stroud? Yes. Ms. Houseman? Yes. Ms. Sharky? Yes. Ms.

[2:28:31] Christensen? Yes. Ms. Tassouza? Yes. Mr. DeKaiser? Yes. Ms. Nichol? Yes. Madam Chair,

[2:28:41] with that motion carried seven to zero.

[2:28:43] I

[2:28:58] got quickly nudged and I appreciate about that.

[2:29:01] Thank you so much, Council.

[2:29:04] This whole entire process of working at the mayor

[2:29:06] and with Martin and the whole Sandy team so far

[2:29:08] has been truly impressive and I'm so excited to get going.

[2:29:13] So thank you and looking forward to working with you all.

[2:29:15] Great.

[2:29:15] Thank you, Mr. Hill.

[2:29:16] We appreciate that too.

[2:29:19] All right.

[2:29:20] The last agenda item is an RDA meeting tonight.

[2:29:24] All right, so I will make a motion to recess the City Council meeting and convene a meeting of the Sandy City, RDA. Do I have a second?

[2:29:33] Second.

[2:29:35] Motion in a second. All in favor? Say aye.

[2:29:39] Aye. Any opposed?

[2:29:43] Casey, it's you.

[2:29:44] Thank you, Madam Chair. Appreciate again the opportunity to be here and present. We have a few items on the agenda tonight.

[2:29:51] I'm going to cover item number two.

[2:29:54] And then I'm going to have Rob give him the opportunity to cover number three tonight the first

[2:30:00] Item I'm going to discuss is an interlocal agreement proposed interlocal agreement between the city and the RDA. As you saw in your packet, we're looking, the proposal is for the city to sell about 1.1 acres of property that's adjacent to America first filled. It was included in your packet as an exhibit. It's the triangular property that the city is owned for a few years now. The city purchased it originally was looking at that

[2:30:29] location for the potential fire station 31. Obviously that didn't work out

[2:30:35] between the new Monero extension and you know the the Mount of Square feet

[2:30:40] that took and then the size that was needed for fire station 31 so that

[2:30:45] property is vacant the city owns it and it can be sold the proposal that we're

[2:30:51] looking at from the RDA is using tax increment that we can use outside of a

[2:30:57] project area. That property is not in a project area, but under state code you can use RDA tax

[2:31:02] increment available for affordable housing projects to purchase property and develop

[2:31:08] affordable housing. So the proposal is for the RDA to buy that property from the city and

[2:31:15] to look at to doing a potential affordable housing project. Again, because where the funding

[2:31:20] comes from it's intended for affordable housing. So the intention on that property would

[2:31:24] be for affordable housing. Now that doesn't mean that if the RDA board decided to sell

[2:31:30] it for something else, the money would just have to be recouped in the RDA and come back

[2:31:36] to the RDA for the full amount. But the intention that we see, the opportunity we see is to build

[2:31:41] an affordable housing project there. We do have a proposal from a group and you've heard

[2:31:47] me say this a few times and a new board member's nickel and Christiansen, you may not have

[2:31:53] But we have been working with the Gardner Group and the Boydard Group.

[2:31:57] They are under contract for the other city parcel of property.

[2:32:02] That's just East of Fire Station 31.

[2:32:06] And so they have submitted a proposal to do an affordable housing project.

[2:32:10] This is fully owner occupied.

[2:32:13] It'll be about their proposal right now is 18 town homes.

[2:32:17] And again, it's a small parcel.

[2:32:18] It's only about 1.1 acres.

[2:32:20] So we look at this as a good opportunity.

[2:32:23] We just finished with the housing workshops, you as a council and administration.

[2:32:28] So we see this as a good opportunity to move with the affordable housing, to increase our affordable housing in the city.

[2:32:39] So without going into any more detail, I'm just open up to questions.

[2:32:43] But one other thing I do want to add is this opportunity with the RDA purchasing it allows the RDA to immediately close.

[2:32:50] and those proceeds will go to the city to the general fund immediately.

[2:32:55] So that gives the opportunity for the city to receive the funds and

[2:32:59] then just allows more opportunity for the RDA board to decide what they want to do with the property.

[2:33:04] So any questions?

[2:33:12] Ms. D'Souza.

[2:33:13] Thank you.

[2:33:15] All right, so trying to keep all this straight, so approving this would effectively

[2:33:25] I don't want to say allow but the RDA would then purchase the property from the city.

[2:33:31] Yes, correct.

[2:33:32] There's nothing that would come after that to a signal purchase of the property, correct?

[2:33:37] No, all this does is allows the city to sell the property to the RDA and to the RDA to purchase it.

[2:33:45] And it looks like in the memorandum there is an approximate purchase price.

[2:33:49] Yes, that purchase price is $20.37 per square foot and that's actually the full appraised value on the property.

[2:33:57] Now keep in mind I did note in the staff report, if the RDA was to turn around and

[2:34:02] sell it to Gardner Boyer for the affordable housing development or to another developer.

[2:34:08] That's up to the RDA, then it would likely the RDA would turn around and

[2:34:12] probably have to sell the property at a decreased value to make the affordable housing development pencil.

[2:34:18] As we've heard throughout our housing discussions it's difficult to make you know pay full value for the land and then for the projects

[2:34:25] The development depends on for the developer. So we would look at the RDA would have to be right down the property

[2:34:30] But that's what's good about the RDA is we have the flexible do flexibility do that where the city doesn't the city has to either do a

[2:34:37] Tenney two study

[2:34:38] To show the value that they're getting that's equal to the value that they're selling the property or

[2:34:44] They just have to sell for a praise value

[2:34:46] There's a lot of wiggle room with the RDA, but it increases economic development, it's

[2:34:53] for the general welfare of the public and the citizens, it increases affordable housing,

[2:34:58] there's a plethora of things at the RDA.

[2:35:04] Okay. So the expectation then is that approving this, the RDA would purchase it for approximately 978,000 some odd, right? And if we, if the RDA is considering, I'm just paraphrasing to make sure I understand. If the RDA is considering an affordable housing project with X developer and there is a purchase that we could expect that we would sell that property for less than a year.

[2:35:29] to the 978 that we're purchasing it from, right?

[2:35:32] If it's in a affordable housing project, yes.

[2:35:34] And then part number two of that is, I recall

[2:35:37] that this particular piece of property was,

[2:35:40] and I don't know the technical way that it was put

[2:35:43] in language whether it was a resolution or whatever,

[2:35:46] but it was funding for the overage

[2:35:48] of the public works phase two, right?

[2:35:51] And so what is the total of public works phase two?

[2:35:54] Because I believe that we purchased this property

[2:35:56] for like 1.2 million.

[2:35:57] So, this is already decreased in value, right?

[2:36:03] Yes, I mean Brian probably has that number.

[2:36:05] I will say for what the city purchased it for.

[2:36:08] City purchased it for about 14 something a square foot.

[2:36:11] So, I'll be selling it for $20 a square foot now.

[2:36:14] So, you'd be actually making money on the square foot price,

[2:36:17] but because of the road, it's about 1.1 acres left over.

[2:36:22] When they purchased the property originally,

[2:36:24] is about 1.76 acres, but I'm sure Brian has that number.

[2:36:29] I don't have the exact number, I'd have to look it up.

[2:36:31] But we budgeted this at Carole over, we have it all paid for with this contemplating

[2:36:37] this per cell to the RDA.

[2:36:40] Would there be any, I mean, and I remember having the conversation, generally speaking,

[2:36:44] I just wanted to, especially since we have some council members that have joined census

[2:36:49] conversations we're had, I want to make sure that we all are on the same page in terms

[2:36:52] of the purchase. So given that we purchased it for less per square foot, but the overall purchase

[2:37:00] price in total was more than what we're purchasing it for now, right? Well, the city paid 1.1 million

[2:37:09] for it. So we're getting a little less than what we paid for it. Okay. But this is what we budgeted

[2:37:15] this amount. It carry over. And so it will address the phase two deficit. Okay. And I know that

[2:37:22] that Shane's kind of wanting to respond, but can I add?

[2:37:24] Let me just ask one more thing really quick.

[2:37:26] So my question to be clear,

[2:37:29] because I can be a little convoluted when I'm in my head,

[2:37:33] is does this amount, like, what is the final amount

[2:37:36] on the public works phase two?

[2:37:40] Is there any leftover, or do we basically go,

[2:37:42] this is what we need, this is what we're gonna sell it for?

[2:37:44] No, there's not any leftover.

[2:37:46] We need, we need this much plus Ryan contributed

[2:37:49] We did from this carry over funds to add to it.

[2:37:52] Okay.

[2:37:52] Yeah.

[2:37:54] Just remember the public works department bought part of the property of front.

[2:38:01] So if you add that to the 900,000 we actually made money on the property.

[2:38:07] Okay.

[2:38:08] And that was paid for from funds outside the city for that purchase.

[2:38:13] Okay. Thank you. That was the extent of my questions right now.

[2:38:16] Thanks.

[2:38:16] So,

[2:38:21] I guess my question would just be, so first this is an information item tonight.

[2:38:30] You specified that all we're doing right now at all your proposing that we do at this

[2:38:35] point in time is have the RDA purchase the property from the city.

[2:38:43] That's all.

[2:38:44] Correct.

[2:38:45] So in terms of the eventual use, if the intention is that the RDA will then sell it to someone

[2:38:51] that's the intention. We'll be brought along on all that, we'll be brought along on all that, too, is the RDA board.

[2:38:58] Yes.

[2:39:01] And so,

[2:39:04] we are not specifying, we're suggesting that the eventual use would be for affordable housing, but that's not what we'll be specifying when we vote on it.

[2:39:19] It'll just be the sale, right?

[2:39:21] Exactly. Yes, that will be future things but that will be open for discussion with the RDA board like I said

[2:39:28] You know, there is a proposal that I could bring back to you

[2:39:31] But that is absolutely up for discussion. This is only to purchase a property to move forward on that in the next step. Okay

[2:39:40] Any more councilor questions?

[2:39:44] Okay

[2:39:45] Oh

[2:39:47] Mr. Pace. Okay. See just to clarify on the future use of the property because this property is located out

[2:39:53] side of the project area. You have greater flexibility to discount the purchase.

[2:40:10] Thank you. Yes, other than if the RDA owns it and they sell it and recouped surprise, but yes, you're right, Lynn. Yeah, I mean, if it wasn't used for affordable housing, we would have to get the praise value back. Let's correct on that. Thank you, Lynn.

[2:40:32] All right. So I get the fun part of it. Thank you.

[2:40:34] We're talking about the HTRZ, so this tonight it's just a formality of the HTRZ that's required to do before we can receive any tax increment financing on it.

[2:40:46] And so this is something that needs to happen at a later date but we thought it would be good to do it now and also use it kind of as an opportunity to give an update on the HTRZ to those new RDA board members and also those that are on the board it before.

[2:41:00] So, this is a reminder on in September of 2025, the Housing and Transit Reinvestment Committee which is a state committee formally approved the creation of the Sandy Karen's HTRZ and that's really with these ones the only step that's needed to create it.

[2:41:19] So it currently exists, but in the code there's a requirement that the city created it, but the RDA has to administer it and manage it, and before we can do that, the city council and the RDA board have to enter into an interlocal agreement that just specifies that you'll receive the money as the city, and then you'll pass it through to the RDA, and we will use it to administer and pay for approved funds as permitted.

[2:41:49] it in the HCRZ application.

[2:41:52] So it's just really a formality is what this deck is.

[2:41:56] And I know we included, there was a question that was asked before about what's unique

[2:41:59] about the Sandy Karen's HCRZ as a big chunk of it is in our current Civic Center North project

[2:42:05] area.

[2:42:06] So we included a map in your packet that shows the boundaries of the HCRZ and the current

[2:42:12] boundaries of the Karen's of the Civic Center North.

[2:42:16] So the pink is the Civic Center North, and the red outline is the Caron's HDRZ.

[2:42:23] And so the code specifies that if any of the overlap of the HDRZ is in a project area two,

[2:42:32] that will have to amend the Civic Center North before we can take HDRZ increment there.

[2:42:38] But we'll do that at a later date, because it's not required right now.

[2:42:42] Any questions?

[2:42:43] Is

[2:42:48] this the HTRZ application that we're seeing and who wrote it, who did it?

[2:42:54] So that was done in-house by us and then Gardner helped us make it look fancy.

[2:42:58] That's pretty, you guys did a good job.

[2:42:59] Yeah, thank you.

[2:43:01] This was good.

[2:43:04] Can I add something, Madam Chair?

[2:43:07] We don't usually like to chewed our own horns, but when we presented, it was raw by myself and

[2:43:14] the mayor to the state committee, and they did say, you know, this was the most complete

[2:43:22] best HTRZ application they've received to date. So they let, you know, the mayor know

[2:43:25] that and us and our presentation. So, like I said, I never want to tutor on home, but

[2:43:30] I figured, you know, we spent eight months on this. We worked with all the taxing entities

[2:43:34] are lobbyists with the mayor administration. And so it was a lot of work, but yeah, so just

[2:43:41] I just wanted a two-hour one time.

[2:43:42] You can do it every time you get up to the microphone if you want to see what I can say.

[2:43:50] No, that is against the rules at council meetings.

[2:43:57] Where are there any other questions on that item, Madam Chair?

[2:44:02] Council?

[2:44:03] No.

[2:44:04] Okay.

[2:44:05] The next item on the agenda is just approval of minutes for the meetings of August, RDA meetings

[2:44:09] of August 5th and November 18th.

[2:44:12] I'll make motion to approve those minutes.

[2:44:14] We

[2:44:19] have a motion in a second.

[2:44:21] And a roll call vote, Board Member Houseman.

[2:44:24] Yes.

[2:44:25] Board Member DeKaiser.

[2:44:26] Yes.

[2:44:27] Board Member D'Souza.

[2:44:28] Yes.

[2:44:29] Board Member Stroud.

[2:44:30] Yes.

[2:44:30] Madam Chair.

[2:44:31] Yes.

[2:44:32] Board Member Cresciensen.

[2:44:33] Yes.

[2:44:33] And Board Member Nicol.

[2:44:34] Yes.

[2:44:35] That's all I have.

[2:44:36] That's all you have.

[2:44:37] Thank you.

[2:44:37] Thank you very much.

[2:44:38] Appreciate you.

[2:44:39] All right.

[2:44:40] I need to make a motion to adjourn the RDA meeting

[2:44:43] and reconvene the City Council meeting.

[2:44:45] Do I have a second on the motion?

[2:44:47] Some move, second.

[2:44:48] All in favor?

[2:44:49] Aye.

[2:44:50] Any opposed?

[2:44:52] All right, that has taken us to the bottom of our agenda

[2:44:57] and to standing reports.

[2:45:00] Mr. Freddo. Thank you, Madam Chair. I apologize. I'm going to be looking at my screen here. Okay, a couple of updates from our office. You have an invitation to the Hale Legislative Night in front of you. Please let Chris know ASAP, if you'd like to attend to attend, and she will RSVP for you. As soon as you can. Thank you. A reminder that the 21st, so next Wednesday, not tomorrow,

[2:45:29] but a week from tomorrow is local officials day, I believe, all of you are registered to attend, which is awesome.

[2:45:36] I'll be there as well, and obviously the youth council will be there, so it should be really exciting.

[2:45:42] And then you got an email from Justin today. We have the kickoff meeting for the management study

[2:45:51] of the public utilities department. It is also on the 21st. Matrix, our consultant will be here for the

[2:46:00] site visit starting on January 26th through the 28th, so they're coming right at the beginning of the study.

[2:46:07] We are setting aside some time on the 27th, which is a Tuesday, for a couple hours prior to council meeting,

[2:46:14] for you guys to come in and meet with the consultant if you'd like to individually.

[2:46:19] You may remember in the fire management study that we, council members all had an opportunity to come in

[2:46:25] and have stakeholder interviews, that type of thing.

[2:46:27] So it'll be kind of a similar situation,

[2:46:29] maybe a little less formal than that.

[2:46:31] But you all have the opportunity to come in.

[2:46:34] Let Justin know when you might be available to come in

[2:46:37] so that we can make sure to set aside time for you

[2:46:39] as individuals or in small groups so that we don't necessarily

[2:46:43] have to call a meeting to do that, for example.

[2:46:47] And then one final reminder, we're going to do kind

[2:46:51] of an informal photo right after the meeting tonight.

[2:46:54] This photo is not going to be our polished, shined, final council photo, but we need kind of a placeholder photo.

[2:47:01] And so that's what it's going to be.

[2:47:03] We're going to be out on the stairs on the hallway and Liz is going to take it.

[2:47:07] She's going to do an amazing job as she always does.

[2:47:09] And the final thing that I'd like to go over is just the agenda for next week.

[2:47:16] We are going to have our colleagues from the MVP shelter coming in to do their annual

[2:47:24] will update to the City Council.

[2:47:28] We are going to receive an update from our former events coordinator and our new events

[2:47:34] coordinator on the look back at events in 2025 and look forward to this year.

[2:47:41] We've got a couple of first readings from council members, Nikol and the Kaiser that are on

[2:47:48] the agenda.

[2:47:49] We have a public hearing for the summer haze annexation which we discussed last month.

[2:47:56] We've got the parameters resolution for the Arbor building that you directed be put on the agenda this evening.

[2:48:04] The autumn all code of Emma that Mr. Wilcox presented earlier tonight.

[2:48:08] And then we have a few items related to the presentation that our RDA staff just made.

[2:48:17] that will be on the agenda, a couple city items and there will be an RDA meeting with

[2:48:22] some items for the RDA to consider.

[2:48:24] So a pretty full agenda next week.

[2:48:27] And then on the 27th we're going to have the update to our council budget priorities for

[2:48:33] the upcoming fiscal year.

[2:48:35] We've got Matt Dixon coming in to help us out with that.

[2:48:37] He's the same gentleman that did it last year.

[2:48:40] This one should be a little bit more succinct than the last go around which was two workshops

[2:48:45] And again, that's because we're looking to just update this time.

[2:48:47] We don't need to reinvent the wheel.

[2:48:50] And that's it from me, Madam Chair.

[2:48:52] Thank you.

[2:48:53] Thank you.

[2:48:54] Councilmember Business.

[2:48:55] Ms. Nichol?

[2:48:57] I've been the chocolate off my face.

[2:48:59] OK.

[2:49:01] So I wanted to give a special shout out to IT.

[2:49:04] They have been awesome.

[2:49:06] They've set up my iPad and reported.

[2:49:09] I've reported pushing a lot.

[2:49:11] And they are just like spot on with getting replies in that.

[2:49:14] And yes, all of my pushing notices have been real pushing notices.

[2:49:19] And I wanted to thank the public commenters, Mr. Butters, Rebecca Colley, Doug, and

[2:49:25] Erin, and particular Erin, for her brave comments about the housing project that's proposed

[2:49:30] on 19th and 13th-East.

[2:49:33] And I didn't want to, I wanted to remind the administration to try and touch base with

[2:49:37] Charlotte on the 28th, because we've had delegates from Resick come in, and they've also been able to do the 4th of July, and we would love to have them be able to participate on the other ones performing.

[2:49:54] Ryan is working with her.

[2:50:03] You preempted what I was, yeah, because I said, I said an email asking about that. How can I help? What's the process look like to get the date changed? You're already on it. So, thank you for that. I really don't have any, any other updates, other than just to, like, councillors, no, I will need to join virtually next week for our meeting, but thank you so much.

[2:50:27] I just wanted to say thank you to the Police Department, Amy Bryant and Chief Arnold.

[2:50:35] I can't see.

[2:50:35] There you are.

[2:50:36] Hi.

[2:50:37] And Mayor Zoltanski and Shane and Katie, I believe.

[2:50:42] Yep.

[2:50:43] For all coming and hosting the crime update for Historic Sandy last night, I thought it went really well.

[2:50:50] There were some awesome suggestions that came out that

[2:50:53] the administration and I are going to work on together and hopefully some really good things

[2:50:59] to increase the neighborhood watch and help the situation.

[2:51:02] So, just really appreciate that.

[2:51:05] Ms. Trapp.

[2:51:07] Two committee meetings last week, so healthy Sandy.

[2:51:11] And they started out and they did this last year as well, but kind of went around the different

[2:51:16] community partners.

[2:51:19] Just talking about what they do to help the city and there's always great things going

[2:51:23] on the library, the club for boys and girls.

[2:51:27] One thing that they really talked about, so meals on wheels, with the Salt Lake County

[2:51:32] EGEM services, they're looking for volunteers, takes about an hour, you can just sign up

[2:51:38] on a specific day, you go pick up the meals and drop them off, but the seniors and the residents

[2:51:43] really appreciate that.

[2:51:45] So if anybody knows anyone, you know, they're always looking for volunteers to do that.

[2:51:52] And then we had our youth council meeting as well and they are getting ready for next

[2:51:57] week.

[2:51:58] We're meeting legislators up there on the hill and, you know, hopefully they, we shifted,

[2:52:05] losing Chris went virtual with it.

[2:52:07] And I think it was kind of the first time that I've been a part of youth council meeting

[2:52:10] that they've done virtually and they did a great job with it.

[2:52:12] but those are little technology natives.

[2:52:15] But I discussed about some possible policy

[2:52:19] that they can hopefully prepare and present next week.

[2:52:25] And a lot of great ideas.

[2:52:27] And that's these high school teenagers just coming up

[2:52:31] with a wide variety of ideas, but they really honed in

[2:52:35] on for them was affordable housing.

[2:52:38] And just looking at that component

[2:52:40] and the challenges, you know, as they start aging into that, you know, that age group

[2:52:46] will be looking for housing and rent costs. So, you know, that was a really interesting

[2:52:51] to listen to them and hopefully, you know, be able to select it and move forward and, you

[2:52:57] know, be up there. And if they are one of them last year, when they were able to present,

[2:53:01] you know, so Council, you know, come in and support, you know, watch them and, you know, listen

[2:53:06] into the rest of the youth councils as well, because those are our future, those kids

[2:53:10] that are our future. But fingers crossed with that and looking forward to it another year,

[2:53:16] you know, both Liz and Chris, you do an outstanding job with that, so I really appreciate everything

[2:53:21] that you do with them and they do as well. They're always so complimentary of the two of

[2:53:25] you.

[2:53:27] Is it?

[2:53:28] Madam Chair, can I make one comment on the follow-up with the youth council?

[2:53:31] Representative Clinton Ocarlint has offered to take our Youth Council on a tour of the

[2:53:38] capital.

[2:53:39] So he graciously accepted that invite the extended to him.

[2:53:45] Mr. Suza.

[2:53:48] Thank you, Madam Chair.

[2:53:49] I just wanted to mention something that I plan to begin working on again.

[2:53:56] It has to do with the commercial truck parking ordinance and so Mr. Butters has come for

[2:54:01] the last few years to express his concerns over the ordinance, and I don't know if the council

[2:54:08] knew at the time that the ordinance that was passed effectively prohibited truck parking

[2:54:14] in anywhere in Sandy. I don't think that that was the stated intent or no intent, so but

[2:54:20] ultimately when we started looking into this, it was myself and council member Sharky and

[2:54:26] and the previous District One Council member, the map, so we had Zlocco take the ordinance

[2:54:34] and bump it up against a map and show us, you know, based off of the language and the

[2:54:38] ordinance, where is allowed, and there were two spots, and one of them actually had a fire

[2:54:43] hydrant in front of it, so it wasn't actually a spot.

[2:54:46] I think that there maybe has been one change since then because a section of Monroe Street exists

[2:54:52] this now that didn't exist then, that may, you know, fall in with the ordinance, however

[2:54:58] should housing go there than that would be.

[2:55:00] And so in working with Mr. butters and others that, you know, he's kind of championed this conversation to continue and others that have an interest professionally from an employment standpoint. I do want to start working on that. So if any council members have any interest in joining, then let's get together and do that. So I will reach out. Thank you.

[2:55:30] And I'll give my councilmember business, councilmember Nicol and I spent a whole lot of time yesterday on both policy and budget.

[2:55:40] We attended the Utah Taxpayers Association pre-legislative breakfast, that was a three-hour ordeal.

[2:55:47] A lot of the legislators came and pitched their bills and there wasn't a lot of friendliness in the room.

[2:55:56] So, I can, and then we went to the LPC meeting another two hours of really some repetition.

[2:56:05] There is a common thread, guys, that's a little bit concerning.

[2:56:09] And that is, the legislators believe that all state agencies, local agencies, everyone

[2:56:18] needs to tighten our belts and cut costs.

[2:56:22] They believe that the cost of living has gone too high in Utah, that Utah is no longer

[2:56:29] Utah.

[2:56:30] And we are one of the most, we're getting to be one of the most expensive states in

[2:56:34] certain ways across the country, highest tax rates of any red state in the country.

[2:56:42] One of the ways they want to reign in spending is to, is on tax increases.

[2:56:48] There is a common thread here, it's very worrisome, we heard about it from several.

[2:56:53] We heard these words.

[2:56:55] There is no reason that a local government should need to increase their taxes more than

[2:57:02] the cost of living.

[2:57:07] So in the state budget, this year, Governor Cox's budget was 2.6%.

[2:57:13] So I don't know how you buy police cars.

[2:57:18] I don't know how you do the necessary things, we're going to need to work very hard with

[2:57:26] them.

[2:57:27] We do know that the Chair of the Reven Tax on the House is TV Listen.

[2:57:36] So I have already started talking with him to get him to understand our point of view.

[2:57:42] We all will probably need to do that.

[2:57:44] But it's a little too early yet for us to start putting out APBs on certain things.

[2:57:49] But the commonality of this thread is clear.

[2:57:53] They feel that municipalities, school districts are all raising taxes too much.

[2:58:02] I have argued that if they set a cap, which is the proposal of some of these bills that are coming out,

[2:58:09] There's one that's coming out with a cap of 3%, one that's coming out with a cap of 5 in any given year.

[2:58:16] My argument is that will increase taxes overall, because if you put restraints on us the logical assumption is that we will raise taxes maybe more than we need to in order to protect ourselves from something unexpected and I think it backfires in consideration of the taxpayers.

[2:58:35] pairs. I think we will just raise taxes more in the face of an annual limit. So that's

[2:58:42] my point of view that I've tried to argue. But that is what we're facing. There's certain

[2:58:47] thing, they're feeling like there's some proposals that we may lengthen the Truth in Taxation

[2:58:55] Period. We'll see where that goes. The feeling is that maybe we ought to adopt our budgets

[2:59:02] It's in April or May, instead of June.

[2:59:07] So the purpose of that is to give the public a longer period of time to engage.

[2:59:15] Again, I think some of this is rooted in the legislators not understanding what we do and our business.

[2:59:24] And so I think more than ever it's going to be important for us to get involved and

[2:59:30] to talk to our legislators and bring them along on our point of view.

[2:59:35] I think also Mr. Pace and I had the chance to host the American Preparatory Academy's

[2:59:44] field trip.

[2:59:45] It was really fun.

[2:59:47] We had so many questions.

[2:59:49] We couldn't answer all their questions in the 40 minutes we had with them so it was wonderful

[2:59:54] to have so many questions coming our way from these.

[3:00:04] All right. Moving on to Mayor's report. Madam Mayor. Thank you, Madam Chair.

[3:00:13] I've been getting ready for the legislative session together with everyone on administration and preparing.

[3:00:22] So please that Ryan Meakham is joined the Mayor's administrative team to assist on government

[3:00:28] and affairs and public affairs outreach.

[3:00:32] Thank you for attending LPC, me and PACE yesterday,

[3:00:37] and I'll, all the preparation and coverage

[3:00:40] on important committees and representing the city

[3:00:45] at every level of government.

[3:00:47] It's a big responsibility and a fast schedule,

[3:00:50] so I'm so grateful for your support

[3:00:51] and already are making a lot of headway progress

[3:00:54] because of your presence.

[3:00:55] So thank you.

[3:00:57] The Central Wasatch Commission held its symposium last week, two days symposium, to join

[3:01:06] as member cities of the Central Wasatch Commission reaffirm our commitment to the principles

[3:01:11] of the Mountain Accord, particularly Canyon Preservation, Environmental Preservation, and

[3:01:18] stewardship, developing economic opportunity, and creating access and protecting access

[3:01:25] for all to Kenyan recreation.

[3:01:28] So there was a Shoshone Elder who spoke was the key speaker, Darren Perry, his name.

[3:01:35] He spoke so beautifully about affirming the relationship with nature, especially in

[3:01:43] in our modern times, and he spoke about his native tradition

[3:01:47] being viewing the mountains, the rivers, the trees,

[3:01:52] the air, not as resources to be consumed,

[3:01:55] but as relatives, like literal relatives and relations,

[3:02:01] and speaking to relations throughout generations,

[3:02:04] through nature.

[3:02:05] So such a beautiful and affirming experience

[3:02:08] as we proceed forward, and we applaud that UDOT

[3:02:12] that announcement moving forward with the enhanced bus service while yes the legislation is continuing protecting our watershed interests protecting our traffic interests and Sandy is very important, so encouraged by this news and to those who say cities don't have a role in

[3:02:33] And Canyon's transportation is a UDOT matter.

[3:02:37] It's a state matter.

[3:02:38] Well, I think we know from our representatives on the state level, from our very productive

[3:02:43] relationship with UDOT that the city's voice is very important.

[3:02:47] When we speak united, we stand united, we create progress, and the UDOT announcement, they

[3:02:53] did not have to move forward, but they did because they know the result in Sandy.

[3:02:58] So I'd like to commend our residents for standing firm expecting that enhanced bus service to move forward and we will be seeing that

[3:03:08] The central was such commission received a presentation from you that's representative in the canyon

[3:03:14] You can should should all go and view it to hear what that's going to look like that's bus service running every 10 minutes rapid reliable bus service to serve our

[3:03:23] So that's really exciting.

[3:03:26] I want to congratulate the Sandy Police Department

[3:03:29] that had promotions and new hires total of 10

[3:03:31] and such great turnout from retirees

[3:03:34] and families and police department last week.

[3:03:37] It was great to see the community support

[3:03:39] and so many officers, including our new officers

[3:03:41] and new hires, and meet their families.

[3:03:44] So welcome to all and congratulations

[3:03:45] on those important promotions.

[3:03:49] The thank you Council Member Christians

[3:03:51] and for attending the Neighborhood Watch meeting last night.

[3:03:55] That was the second Neighborhood Watch preparation meeting that we've had since December.

[3:04:01] And actually, so two Neighborhood Watch planning meetings,

[3:04:05] plus coffee with the cops, it designated for the historic Sandy community.

[3:04:13] So our police department is building community presence, strengthening the community,

[3:04:18] strengthening relationships between the community and law enforcement.

[3:04:22] The purpose, of course, community policing is to establish that trust.

[3:04:27] So the police are viewed not just as the authority, as power or control, but community partners

[3:04:33] and public safety.

[3:04:35] So neighborhood watch is critical for historic Sandy.

[3:04:38] We've really struggled to create momentum for a neighborhood watch.

[3:04:43] You've attempted many times, but it now looks like we've got a group of determined citizens

[3:04:47] we're going to carry that forward and I'm so grateful to them. The first meeting we had about 20 residents come out and last night a group of hardcore six.

[3:04:56] So it was wonderful to talk about the Christ.

[3:05:00] Statistics, what's happening and everything from traffic, graffiti, the rare incident of violent crime, but working together how we can combat crime and make it safer for everyone. And we are working diligently on the administration side. And I'd like to invite intern chief Arnold to the podium to make an announcement on a brief announcement on an upcoming event that was just scheduled today, but it's going to be a very quick turnaround. So I'd ask the council to help get the word out on this.

[3:05:35] On Thursday, January 22, from 5 to 7 at night, we are going to be holding a public safety

[3:05:46] and crime prevention fair at the Bicentennial Park Indoor Pavilion, therefore the community

[3:05:54] members of historic Sandy.

[3:05:56] What we are going to be having there, we are going to have about 10 to 12 different booths

[3:06:03] in there. Ranging from the Metro Gain Unit, talking about Gain-free.

[3:06:09] Choose Gain-free is

[3:06:11] what it's called, the booth. We'll have our victim advocates. We're going to have recruiting.

[3:06:17] We'll have our dispatch center there. We'll have our homeless liaison officers who'll

[3:06:20] be doing K-9 demonstration. It's an opportunity for the residents to come out and see the resources

[3:06:27] that are out there for them from the police department and to make sure that

[3:06:34] we're involving everyone. Obviously when we are working with our

[3:06:41] neighborhoods they need to know what they can count on us for and what

[3:06:47] resources are there and that's what we want to do. This was on Friday, we will

[3:06:52] Also, excuse me, we will also be doing a community outreach program where we will be going out and walking the neighborhood and going and reaching people that we weren't able to reach through the community fair.

[3:07:06] And so that will be from 4 to about 5.45, where we'll be walking in the community and

[3:07:15] awking doors, green people walking or that are out and about.

[3:07:18] So we're going to try to include other agencies with us in the public safety fair, including

[3:07:29] tracks. Please, they are right there in the middle of it all. Also, we will be

[3:07:37] having Sandy. We've invited Sandy Fire to come and hang out with us. I'm not sure if

[3:07:42] Ryan is going to bring Freddie the fire truck or a big fire truck, but we've

[3:07:48] invited them to come and hang out with us as well. So, but that's something that

[3:07:52] we're reaching out to the neighborhood there and inviting everyone to come out

[3:07:57] from the historic sandy area.

[3:08:00] Thank you.

[3:08:01] Ms. Edwards, I think you put that on our calendar, so I'm okay.

[3:08:04] Thank you.

[3:08:04] It would be very honored council for your attendance and support, and I just want to tell

[3:08:09] the residents of historic sandy we hear you and you can look for a personal, steady presence

[3:08:14] and a friendly presence from the sandy police to strengthen those relationships.

[3:08:18] That's all madam chair.

[3:08:19] Thank you.

[3:08:20] Mr. Pace.

[3:08:21] I just have two things on January 29th, 30th, and 31st will be the annual point in time count for AM in the morning.

[3:08:31] City Hall will again be used, this will be our last year as a staging area.

[3:08:36] They'll go to another city next year, but we're still looking for volunteers, so if you would like to be involved in that, please call Martin Jensen.

[3:08:46] He can get you in touch with the right people of the county to do that point.

[3:08:51] time count. Also on February 25th, the city is going to hold its annual health and safety

[3:08:58] fair upstairs in the multi-purpose room. It usually starts at 9 or 10.

[3:09:04] Thank you. Oh, lasting. Thank you for allowing us to continue to move forward on the

[3:09:09] arbor building. We appreciate your work on it and the ability to continue to work on it.

[3:09:15] Yeah, I'd like to add, thank you for your thoughtful consideration.

[3:09:20] Thank you to the staff for running the analysis and so many hours of planning and preparation.

[3:09:28] Nice teamwork.

[3:09:31] And last but far from least.

[3:09:35] Last but not least, but thank you for your comments about parks and recreation also.

[3:09:41] I'm bias, but we are an amazing team, and I'll make sure to pass that along.

[3:09:45] So picking up where we left off last week, we're still working on cement, concrete, pouring

[3:09:50] non-footings and foundations. We were waiting on rocking out and power to move a transformer.

[3:09:56] That's been done now, so we're trucking along.

[3:10:00] No pun intended. But there's a couple concrete pours going on this week to help finish out the field house side and the elevator pit. They also dug a huge hole for our search tank, which is part of our full mechanicals. So that's there. They worked on the mason's for the brick, the CMU will be here on Monday. So they did start putting up all of the columns. They put up about 12 today. So it's going.

[3:10:30] It's going so good, and we should see some delivery of some steel, some CMU blocks, and

[3:10:37] they're digging trenches for utilities, but do you guys have any questions?

[3:10:43] Other than I'm so excited.

[3:10:44] Thank you.

[3:10:45] I'm like, so are we.

[3:10:46] We find it a little bit hard to believe that we're hearing these words too, after waiting

[3:10:51] so many years on.

[3:10:53] Thank you.

[3:10:54] Thanks.

[3:10:56] That's it.

[3:10:56] I'll entertain a motion to adjourn and take a photo.

[3:11:00] Motion to adjourn and take a photo.

[3:11:05] All in favor?

[3:11:06] Any opposed?

[3:11:08] Thank you.

[3:11:09] Good night, everyone.

City Council on 2026-01-13 5:15 PM

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