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[0:13]
Hello everyone. Welcome to the public
[0:15]
hearing on the master plan on
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September 30, 2026. Dana Allen,
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Chairwoman of the Planning Commission.
[0:22]
Let me give a short
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presentation on the
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zoning plan and
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then today's hearing.
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We're recording it. The staff records and
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we record the online version. There are people
[0:34]
online, there are people in the room. So let's discuss
[0:36]
how this will work. But
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quickly, I wanted to introduce the
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other commissioners. So Billy
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if you want Billy Big Door
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Hi everyone. Thanks for coming
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.
[0:46]
Monica Callan
[0:48]
Robbie Adler
[0:49]
Hello everyone. I'm Katie
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Gallagher.
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Neil Wright here. City planner.
[0:54]
Hmm, thanks everyone. We have submitted
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an application for ID cards, but the
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city council has not approved them yet.
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So we'll get them one day. But
[1:05]
anyway, yeah, thanks for
[1:06]
coming. We appreciate it. People, if
[1:08]
you drop by, could you
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sign? Teresa, thank you.
[1:13]
Sorry. I will be the Cheryl Casey of
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today's meeting. Anyway
[1:18]
, can we move on to the next
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slide, Neil? What can we
[1:25]
expect tonight? We are here to
[1:27]
hear your opinion on the
[1:28]
spatial development plan in
[1:30]
its current form. This is a draft
[1:32]
plan. It is still under revision.
[1:34]
Your feedback is an integral
[1:35]
part of this process. So we're looking for
[1:37]
specific things you want
[1:39]
to change, or things you
[1:41]
like or support. It's nice
[1:43]
to hear things like that. Specific
[1:46]
changes are welcome. You know,
[1:47]
aspirations, goals and strategies are
[1:49]
really the heart of this
[1:50]
spatial development plan. And there's
[1:52]
something that you think is missing, something that
[1:54]
you think needs strengthening,
[1:56]
etc., etc. That's what we want
[1:59]
to hear about. You can ask
[2:01]
technical questions about the process and project
[2:04]
. We will provide you with information to the best of
[2:06]
our ability about how
[2:07]
individual policies and recommendations are developed.
[2:11]
So we'll do it. And we are here
[2:13]
to listen. We are focused on
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listening to as many
[2:17]
community members as possible. We take in
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a lot of information. This is our
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main goal for tonight.
[2:23]
Next slide. What is a
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spatial development plan? This is
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our shared framework for making
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decisions about the future.
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State law requires this. We have to
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do them every 8 years. It's been a while
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since
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we've done such a comprehensive
[2:39]
update. I think the last time
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technically was in
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2013. And it has continued
[2:44]
administratively until now. So…
[2:46]
We did a really big
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renovation. We changed a lot of things. This is a
[2:50]
big change. It gives us a city council,
[2:53]
city committees and the like. It gives
[2:55]
us goals to strive for.
[2:57]
It gives us an overarching framework for
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making decisions. That's why it's important
[3:02]
. This is not a
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zoning ordinance. And I want
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to repeat it. These largely
[3:09]
regulate the process, but they
[3:11]
are not zoning regulations in themselves. This is a separate
[3:14]
process. So think of it as a
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big framework, a lot of ideas and
[3:19]
guidelines. Think of
[3:23]
zoning regulations as the foundation of how
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we actually regulate development in a given
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area or plot of land. Next slide.
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Hmm, the goals of this were to make the
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plan more accessible. We We, as
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many of you have probably seen, um, we have made a
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map of history. This is a website.
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We divided it into chapters. It's a
[3:46]
bit more graphic. There is
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much less text than in the old, version. Hmm, we wanted it to be
[3:52]
more accessible this way.
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Hmm, we also wanted it to be a bit
[3:56]
more doable. Um, so
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we spent a lot of time
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aligning aspirations, goals, and
[4:00]
strategies with what we felt was
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pretty important. We also did something that I don't think we've ever
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done before in a spatial development plan
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, which is to kind of
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recommend who would be
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responsible for implementing
[4:10]
some of these aspirations, goals and
[4:12]
strategies. So we try to
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assign a little bit of responsibility here and there
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. We say that
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we recommend that someone take care of it
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. We try to make sure it's not
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just a planning document that
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sits on a shelf, but something that someone
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can actually dig into and
[4:25]
work on. We wanted it to be
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community driven.
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We've collected two years of feedback. This is the
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culmination of two years of collecting
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feedback. We'll talk about this a little
[4:35]
more, but that was really the
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ultimate goal. Next slide. How
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did the community shape the plan?
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We started it in 2024.
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We have had many consultations with
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specific committees, partners,
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groups and the like.
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We conducted a
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community survey in the fall of 2024.
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I think it was open for almost
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3 months. Well, and we got
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a lot of answers.
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We then organized four
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visualization sessions. We sent many
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publications. We invited
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people such as committees,
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stakeholders, and the general public to these sessions via email.
[5:09]
During these sessions, we asked a lot of
[5:11]
detailed questions about what you wanted to
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see, what you valued, what you wanted to
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preserve, protect, and so on. Well,
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we then had meetings
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dedicated to individual chapters
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and aspirations, goals, and strategies.
[5:23]
You will hear me often talk about
[5:25]
aspirations, goals, and strategies. This
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is the heart of this plan. So when you
[5:29]
think about it, it's kind of like a
[5:31]
filtered vision.
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We held six separate
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chapter meetings,
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essentially covering two chapters
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each. Over time, we developed
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the details of these aspirations, goals, and
[5:42]
strategies. We spent a lot of time
[5:45]
developing a plan. We met
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several times a month. These
[5:49]
meetings were mainly devoted
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to development. So
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we literally wrote this plan in this room with the
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help of a Meals Help consultant. And
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then others, you know, came and
[6:00]
helped us with specific things. It
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was part of this whole public
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process. We published the project on
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August 4 this year. This brings us
[6:09]
to now. The plan has been available in
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draft form for approximately 8 weeks. This is
[6:13]
our public hearing that
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we are holding to get your
[6:15]
feedback on this topic. After this
[6:16]
public hearing, we will go
[6:18]
through the amendments. So we'll gather opinions.
[6:20]
We'll make some adjustments. We will make
[6:22]
some changes. And then we'll take this
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second project basically to
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elect the board for two hearings
[6:29]
that will elect the board, well,
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dates are still to be determined. We
[6:33]
're not sure how much feedback we'll get.
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So we will work on it. It
[6:37]
will take us some time. And then you
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will have to elect a board for their
[6:41]
trial. Hmm, I think they have about
[6:43]
180 days from the time we present the
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project to them to hold
[6:46]
hearings. They will be publicly
[6:49]
announced. Next slide. Here are the five
[6:53]
biggest challenges
[6:55]
we heard about. These were our “
[6:57]
North Stars,” if you could
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have more than one. Hmm,
[7:01]
property taxes, we've heard about that
[7:03]
a lot. Hmm, I think we
[7:04]
're all aware of that. Hmm,
[7:06]
affordable and adequate
[7:07]
housing, I think that's been a hot
[7:09]
topic for a long time. Climate change and
[7:11]
resilience to storms and floods is
[7:13]
another important topic from the survey, from the
[7:15]
visualization sessions, from the many pieces of
[7:17]
information received. Growth and development is a
[7:19]
broad topic, but it is definitely growing
[7:21]
. How can we be flood-resilient while
[7:23]
also ensuring a level of
[7:25]
growth and development in our
[7:27]
community? Hmm, and then the
[7:29]
school system. And, you know, the note about the
[7:31]
school system, that's also
[7:32]
very concerning to us. It is an integral
[7:34]
part of our community. It's
[7:36]
technically a separate
[7:37]
entity from the city and the planning commission
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and things like that. But this is something that
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we, as a planning commission, as a
[7:43]
city, are paying attention to. They simply have
[7:44]
their own
[7:46]
administrative district. Many decisions are
[7:47]
made at this level. So I'll just
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outline the discussion here. Well
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, next slide. All right. So,
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chapters of the plan. Introduction. What is it about
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? Planning context. What is the
[7:59]
story behind this? What is the general framework
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we are looking at?
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We tried to
[8:05]
isolate the key themes from what we heard.
[8:06]
We created many different maps
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showing some of these
[8:10]
data points and themes. Well, what we're
[8:13]
getting at is we've really taken all of that
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and turned it into
[8:17]
these ambitious goals and strategies. Again,
[8:20]
that's the crux of the whole matter: what do
[8:22]
we do about it, right? And that's what
[8:25]
we think we can do about it,
[8:27]
right? We've added
[8:29]
progress tracking and
[8:30]
engagement. This is something new in this
[8:32]
plan. Basically saying, "Hey, these
[8:34]
are the things we want to do, and these
[8:35]
are the people we think can
[8:37]
do them, and that's how we can
[8:39]
measure progress." So it's
[8:41]
quite general. This is a recommendation. We don't
[8:44]
appoint someone and say, "
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You have to do this." But we exchanged
[8:48]
names. So if you are one of
[8:51]
those people, we would be grateful for your
[8:52]
help and support on some
[8:54]
issues. That would be great. Hmm,
[8:57]
next slide. All right. This
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now brings us to the interrogation. Hmm,
[9:04]
actually a few rules. Hmm, please,
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when you speak, come to the
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table. This will help Orga understand this.
[9:09]
will help the owl understand. This will make it a
[9:11]
little easier for us to see you. Hmm,
[9:13]
tell me your name. Hmm, optional,
[9:15]
place of residence. We hope
[9:17]
mostly in Waterbury. Hmm,
[9:18]
we're in person and on Zoom. So
[9:21]
we will try to use
[9:22]
these two methods alternately. So, we'll try
[9:24]
to take, you know, questions from the floor,
[9:26]
questions from Zoom, let's try to
[9:28]
alternate there. Neil will be
[9:29]
monitoring Zoom. If you're on
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Zoom, raise your virtual hand to
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be recognized. We will do
[9:36]
our best to keep you in the
[9:38]
order you raise your hands.
[9:41]
If something goes wrong, please be
[9:43]
understanding. We try to keep
[9:46]
our meetings as
[9:48]
separate as possible. And one more thing, please
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limit your first
[9:52]
comments to 3 minutes. Being
[9:55]
focused is really good. We
[9:57]
won't interrupt you after 3 minutes. You
[10:00]
only have 3 minutes throughout the
[10:01]
evening. We want everyone to have a
[10:03]
chance to express themselves. Therefore,
[10:04]
we ask that the first time you
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come forward and speak, it be for
[10:07]
3 minutes. If you have more,
[10:09]
please come back. However, we try to
[10:11]
give everyone a chance to
[10:13]
speak, at least initially,
[10:14]
before we start calling people out a
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second or third time. I just wanted to
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mention this. Neil will keep track of
[10:22]
time. We will do our best. Neil,
[10:24]
if you could let people know
[10:26]
when their time is left, you know, in a
[10:27]
minute or so, that would be
[10:29]
really nice. We are recording it as
[10:31]
we said earlier. We'll try to
[10:33]
transcribe it so we have all the
[10:35]
comments. It will be easier for us
[10:36]
to absorb much of what has been
[10:38]
said. We will also take
[10:40]
notes, but that was just my
[10:42]
personal thing. That's all. That's
[10:46]
all I have for you. Thank you for
[10:48]
coming. And now the vote is open.
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Does
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anyone want to comment?
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I can comment.
[11:03]
Great. I wanted to say that
[11:04]
if no one speaks in a minute, we'll
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wrap up and say
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hello. Good evening. I am Pegine
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Mulhern. I'm with the Waterbury Land
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Initiative. I only have a few sections
[11:19]
that I think we could
[11:21]
add a bit to. One of them is in the
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social services department, where I
[11:32]
believe we have our parks. There is
[11:37]
nothing there about the Russell property
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being open to the public and having
[11:41]
trails, so as those of you
[11:51]
who follow
[11:53]
permit applications know, we are applying for a parking lot
[11:55]
, so we will need and
[11:56]
want the city to support us as
[11:58]
we change the parking lot to make it
[12:00]
more accessible, as it
[12:02]
is currently only accessible to people
[12:04]
who know how to get there.
[12:13]
So, um, I'd like the first
[12:15]
thing to be done is to add this
[12:16]
property, Russell Conservation
[12:18]
Property, to the list of parks and things
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like that; and then, um,
[12:21]
of course, we would be happy to
[12:23]
sign on there as a
[12:25]
participating entity or anything in its
[12:27]
entirety where it's not the city, the
[12:29]
Waterbury Land Initiative and
[12:31]
non-city entities. And that brings
[12:38]
me to the natural resources section
[12:40]
where we are listed. The
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first place we are
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listed is Waterbury Land
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Initiatives with an S, which shouldn't
[12:51]
be an S. And we're not listed
[12:53]
specifically in
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participating entities outside the city, but
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we should be. It says Waterbury
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Land Trust. And essentially Waterbury Land
[13:07]
Initiatives serves that function in this
[13:08]
city. We just have a different name.
[13:12]
So we think this correction could be
[13:15]
there. And of course, we're
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happy to help in any other
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way you'd like us to help
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. And we will answer any questions
[13:27]
if you do and have questions for us.
[13:30]
We have a Waterbury Land Gmail account. You can
[13:34]
find us on the internet. A
[13:36]
clarifying question for you. Uh,
[13:38]
Russell property, I assume
[13:40]
adding it to the parks map.
[13:42]
That would be good. Yes, and you know where
[13:44]
you have the parks listed, yes. It was a bit
[13:48]
hard for me to tell from the
[13:49]
maps. Was there a list too?
[13:53]
I didn't see that. I mean I'm
[13:55]
looking at parks and you blew it up
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and but
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Okay.
[13:58]
But I was in a hurry, so. Can
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you tell us? Can you
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tell? In case anyone does
[14:03]
n't know yet, where is
[14:04]
Russell Conservation Property?
[14:06]
It's on Blush Hill.
[14:07]
Mhm.
[14:09]
And uh you can access it via
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Blackberry Lane or there's uh this
[14:13]
property that's behind
[14:15]
where the radio towers are. This is, um,
[14:19]
west. So, you can
[14:22]
reach it through there or through the fields
[14:24]
before you get to Blackberry Lane. There's an
[14:29]
open field and there's going to be a parking lot there and we're
[14:31]
going to put a bench in to
[14:33]
honor, uh, Chilia Russell who
[14:34]
donated this property. And there are
[14:38]
now mowed paths there, so
[14:40]
you can walk through those fields
[14:42]
. Great.
[14:43]
and go in there.
[14:43]
Thank you.
[14:44]
Can I ask a question?
[14:46]
Yes, sir. Would
[14:47]
you like us to call it Russell
[14:49]
Property? Is that what this is about?
[14:51]
I think its full name is
[14:53]
Russell Conservation Property.
[14:56]
Okay. Thank you. It's
[15:00]
actually called William G. and um
[15:02]
Chilia Russell Conservation Property,
[15:04]
but that might be a little hard
[15:06]
for everyone to pronounce.
[15:10]
We were actually told it would be difficult
[15:13]
for the 911 sign. At least that's what it's
[15:16]
called.
[15:17]
Thank you.
[15:18]
for being here.
[15:19]
Thank you. Thank you for all your
[15:21]
work.
[15:22]
Thanks. Anyone online? Do we have any
[15:25]
hands?
[15:28]
Not yet.
[15:29]
Okay. Um, I don't see anyone online,
[15:32]
anyone from the room?
[15:35]
I'll stir the pot.
[15:37]
Are you good at this, Chris?
[15:39]
I am. Yes. So, I picked up a
[15:43]
paper copy recently and, um,
[15:45]
I haven't read it all the way through, but I'm
[15:46]
getting to housing.
[15:48]
Could you show me the five
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headings you had
[15:51]
before, social housing,
[15:53]
community housing, and adequate housing?
[15:56]
And no, the five headlines
[15:58]
you had, school, er,
[16:00]
economic development.
[16:02]
Yes, so this is the one.
[16:03]
Yes. Yes. So, I dug a little deeper
[16:06]
into the housing chapter. Hmm
[16:09]
, my concern was that I didn't
[16:11]
see any information there. And I
[16:16]
want everyone in this room to
[16:17]
know that I've spent 45 years of
[16:19]
my career in the housing industry.
[16:22]
So, I am not anti-housing in any way
[16:24]
. Hmm, but
[16:27]
this issue of public housing,
[16:29]
property taxes, the
[16:31]
school system, all of this is
[16:33]
interconnected. Hmm, I was looking for some information
[16:41]
that I don't know if anyone
[16:43]
can provide, I mean, in the
[16:45]
chapter on housing, it
[16:47]
suggests that we should build 30 to 40
[16:50]
houses a year in this city. My
[16:59]
first question is: what is the
[17:01]
end goal? You know what we're trying
[17:06]
to achieve by doing this? And how does that relate
[17:12]
to where there's a
[17:14]
tipping point in terms of
[17:16]
housing stock, because it seems like
[17:18]
we're pushing the narrative that more
[17:19]
economic development, more housing, is going to
[17:22]
lower taxes, is going to lower school costs, is going to
[17:24]
lower affordability.
[17:30]
I wish we could do some
[17:32]
research to
[17:34]
find out what that number is. What goal
[17:37]
are we achieving? Where is the line beyond
[17:41]
which costs begin to
[17:43]
decline? Because this is the same
[17:50]
strategy that not only this city
[17:52]
has had in the past, but every other
[17:54]
city in the state, including the state, keeps
[17:56]
pushing and it doesn't seem to be
[17:58]
working. We just keep dragging
[18:04]
people down. One day I was stacking
[18:07]
firewood in the basement and I had an
[18:09]
epiphany and I was thinking why
[18:11]
, why do things cost so much?
[18:16]
And I came to the conclusion that two
[18:18]
things are the main factors in the
[18:19]
problems we
[18:21]
face today. First of all, the value of the dollar
[18:24]
is in the toilet. In 1980,
[18:27]
$100, what you could
[18:29]
buy for $100,
[18:32]
now bought you $11.20. And
[18:36]
honestly, the second aspect, the second
[18:38]
problem I see is that
[18:40]
our state government has really put us through a
[18:42]
tough test. We have exceeded our
[18:47]
budget by a significant margin and there is no way
[18:49]
back under the current structure
[18:51]
because we simply do not have the money.
[18:56]
I called into a radio program recently
[18:58]
and there was a guest on there
[19:04]
talking about the state
[19:05]
pension program. I called and asked,
[19:08]
"What is this pension plan like now
[19:10]
?" 5 billion in the red
[19:13]
. Four years ago I called and
[19:15]
talked to Mike Pieciak about this.
[19:17]
It was 4 billion in the red, now it's
[19:19]
5 billion in the red. So we're
[19:21]
definitely heading in the right
[19:23]
direction when it comes to
[19:24]
affordability. So I'll
[19:26]
end there.
[19:27]
Thanks Chris.
[19:28]
Thank you. Just...Can I?
[19:34]
Yes.
[19:34]
Hello everyone. I'm new to
[19:36]
Waterbury. I am Some of you
[19:38]
know me from Montpelier, but I have lived
[19:40]
here in Vermont for 23 years. I just don't
[19:42]
go out much because I'm a writer.
[19:44]
I just wanted to say hello to
[19:46]
everyone.
[19:46]
Name?
[19:47]
Carlton Anderson. Uh,
[19:48]
Carlton Anderson, thank you. I just
[19:50]
want to say
[19:52]
thank you all for what you do. That's
[19:53]
all. When I look at new people, you
[19:56]
know, I try to tell people
[19:58]
in these positions that you're
[20:00]
like comet shields. Nobody sees that they
[20:03]
only see what is here and then they do
[20:05]
n't see what is protected, so to
[20:08]
speak, because they take it for granted.
[20:12]
Um, and I'm new to Waterbury in these
[20:14]
roles, but I've been here since Arvard, sleeping
[20:16]
in attics and stuff. But uh I just
[20:21]
want to say that I appreciate
[20:23]
all of you and I have to say
[20:25]
that you have a lot of work ahead of you.
[20:27]
Eee, but it is it is it is not
[20:29]
insurmountable. It's just about
[20:33]
connecting worlds in such a way that we
[20:35]
choose kindness above
[20:37]
all else. And do it with the
[20:42]
future in mind. I also try to tell
[20:45]
people, you know, um, if you look
[20:47]
at it as a fun aspect
[20:49]
right now, it's going to be really
[20:51]
fun in 20 years for other people.
[20:54]
You just won't see it or
[20:55]
get credit for it. It's not about
[20:58]
us. It's really about, you know, the
[21:00]
future and it always has been.
[21:01]
That's why we're in this situation, because the
[21:03]
future has been neglected in some way
[21:05]
. Um, and you know I
[21:10]
always have all these floods in my
[21:12]
head because they affected me
[21:14]
emotionally and physically, and I look
[21:16]
people in the eye and I know
[21:18]
it affected all of us. Ugh, but I
[21:23]
'm one of those people. Er, well,
[21:25]
thank you. I just wanted to say
[21:27]
hello. Bye.
[21:30]
Thank you.
[21:31]
Thanks.
[21:33]
Um, anyone online? Hands? Online? NO.
[21:44]
Okay. Well, without using your hands. I will take
[21:46]
one more person from the room.
[21:50]
Hi, I'm Sierra Nogler. I live
[21:53]
on Ripley Road in the city centre. I'm here
[21:55]
representing Discover Waterbury.
[21:57]
I'm on the board of Discover Waterbury
[21:59]
and a new initiative called the Waterbury
[22:01]
Pathways Initiative that
[22:03]
we created with Discover Waterbury and the
[22:05]
disaster committee. Together with this
[22:09]
group, we looked very carefully at the
[22:11]
transportation chapter and what
[22:13]
improvements could be made. Well,
[22:19]
I sent our, well,
[22:20]
combined comments to Neil earlier; but I think the
[22:22]
most important achievement
[22:24]
was the inclusion of a list of priority
[22:26]
projects in this chapter within the
[22:28]
goals to identify what has been a
[22:37]
priority for the city for years in terms of
[22:39]
connectivity of paths, trails and
[22:41]
multimodal traffic safety.
[22:45]
So, we created this list of
[22:47]
priority projects based on the
[22:49]
many opinions you requested
[22:51]
throughout this process. We've held
[22:54]
several trail meetings with a lot of
[22:56]
different stakeholders in the area and
[22:59]
met with the
[23:00]
wreck committee and we think these are projects
[23:02]
we can work on.
[23:05]
We are also using some of the
[23:06]
results from the Better Connections grant, the
[23:08]
Better Connections project at the center.
[23:12]
And I think having that list, I know
[23:14]
we talked to you earlier,
[23:16]
and there was a purpose to make certain things
[23:18]
a little vague in the city plan, but the
[23:20]
way that list is, um,
[23:22]
conceived, is quite broad. And it's
[23:26]
just setting those priorities to
[23:28]
just put into action and
[23:29]
hopefully create momentum for
[23:31]
some of these projects that
[23:33]
we hope to implement, also with the
[23:35]
recreation committee. That's all.
[23:38]
Excellent.
[23:39]
Thank you very much.
[23:43]
Well done, because what I'm about to
[23:45]
share kind of doubles
[23:47]
Sierra's work. I am Elena
[23:49]
Steiner. I just
[23:50]
moved to Morrisville. I ask for
[23:52]
forgiveness. I plan to return someday,
[23:54]
but affordability...I am a
[23:55]
member of the Waterbury Recreation Committee
[23:57]
as well as the Waterbury Water Trails Initiative
[23:59]
. We also provided several
[24:02]
pages of detailed notes.
[24:04]
I apologize in advance. I also want to start by
[24:06]
thanking you for the work you have done. The
[24:08]
website
[24:09]
you created is beautiful. I'm very
[24:10]
interested in websites and
[24:12]
I find it very easy to
[24:13]
navigate, so great job.
[24:14]
Rather than go into detail,
[24:16]
I just wanted to generalize
[24:17]
some of the topics
[24:19]
we came across. We analyzed
[24:20]
social services, of course,
[24:22]
because that's where recreation was heavily
[24:24]
concentrated, but we
[24:26]
also looked at utilities,
[24:28]
transportation, natural resources, and
[24:29]
housing. We appreciate that
[24:32]
recreation is woven into all of
[24:34]
these sections and want to emphasize its
[24:36]
importance. Waterbury is a center for
[24:39]
recreation, so we appreciate and encourage
[24:41]
its inclusion in all
[24:43]
aspects of the city plan. When
[24:45]
I speak specifically about recreation,
[24:47]
I am talking about its accessibility for people of
[24:49]
all ages and with a variety of
[24:50]
opportunities, both
[24:51]
indoors and
[24:53]
outdoors. As we began discussing
[24:56]
the details, we highlighted a few
[24:58]
key priorities. One of these
[25:00]
was the development of a comprehensive
[25:02]
parks and trails master plan. If it does
[25:04]
n't exist, we want it to exist.
[25:06]
I think the recreation committee
[25:08]
could help make it happen.
[25:10]
We wanted to specifically address
[25:11]
the issue of replacing the municipal swimming pool and
[25:13]
recreation building.
[25:14]
We've talked a lot about outdoor recreation
[25:16]
, but we've neglected
[25:17]
indoor recreation a bit. I think
[25:19]
this is a big step forward, especially for the
[25:21]
recreation building.
[25:24]
As Sierra mentioned, all
[25:26]
trail work includes improving
[25:27]
pedestrian paths and
[25:29]
connectivity. We also highlight the
[25:31]
same list of priority
[25:32]
projects. I think there's, again
[25:34]
, I agree with the ambiguity,
[25:36]
but there's a benefit to having the
[25:37]
city plan include these specific
[25:39]
projects so that when we
[25:40]
apply for potential
[25:42]
funding, when it's strictly
[25:43]
in the city plan, I think
[25:45]
it really benefits those
[25:47]
who apply for it. And
[25:50]
I also wanted to double down because I think there
[25:52]
was a map of
[25:54]
all the objects, but I think it
[25:56]
would be beneficial to write it down on a list too
[25:58]
. I know it would be very
[26:01]
long. And I think
[26:03]
we would all agree that this would be a
[26:05]
valuable addition. That was a lot.
[26:08]
I spoke very quickly, but thank you
[26:09]
for your time. Thank you.
[26:20]
Well, online? Yes, ma'am?
[26:22]
NO.
[26:24]
Zoom Quiet Room. All right.
[26:30]
Personally.
[26:35]
Hi, I'm Brenda Hedges. I'm
[26:38]
alone here. I don't represent anyone
[26:40]
else. Well, I was, well, I was a
[26:45]
member of the Waterbury Land Initiative,
[26:47]
so I'm interested in
[26:48]
environmental protection, especially agriculture
[26:51]
and our farmland. And
[26:55]
I deeply believe that this is a
[26:57]
really important issue that we
[26:59]
should address.
[27:01]
Could you please speak up, madam?
[27:03]
I'll try. Well, I believe that our
[27:08]
agricultural soils are so valuable that
[27:10]
if they disappear, we will not be able to
[27:12]
get them back. I'd like to see some
[27:20]
real, coordinated action to
[27:22]
protect these soils and ensure
[27:24]
that development is, um, considered as
[27:26]
we implement it. More
[27:31]
than taken into account that it is
[27:32]
protected as we implement it.
[27:36]
I took some extensive notes
[27:38]
which I posted online.
[27:40]
I didn't want to
[27:41]
go through all of this here tonight. But I have a few
[27:44]
things. First of all, I want to thank you all
[27:46]
for all the work you've
[27:48]
already put into this. I know it
[27:50]
was a long process and
[27:52]
you really put a lot into it. And then the
[27:56]
specific things I had for
[27:58]
tonight is that in the
[28:00]
land use section,
[28:02]
goal tool number two supporting
[28:04]
land uses, recreational access
[28:06]
and natural resource areas,
[28:07]
strategy 2.2 says that
[28:11]
land use regulations should support
[28:12]
the viability of land uses
[28:14]
, including agricultural resources and
[28:16]
responsible forestry. And I have a
[28:21]
question because I didn't see
[28:22]
anything below about how we're going to
[28:24]
provide this. There is nothing in the plan
[28:28]
that says how this will
[28:30]
happen. I would like to see concrete
[28:34]
steps on how we will ensure
[28:36]
the protection of these agricultural resources. Well
[28:42]
, the second thing I had was
[28:44]
about natural resources. The
[28:50]
third objective is to focus development on the
[28:52]
protection of natural resources
[28:53]
identified in strategy
[28:56]
1.1. Strategy 3.1 calls for limiting
[29:00]
development in sensitive areas and
[29:02]
redirecting growth to
[29:04]
more densely built-up areas and designated
[29:06]
rural centers to limit
[29:08]
sprawl and protect intact
[29:10]
natural and agricultural resources. And in this case
[29:13]
, I thought that
[29:15]
sensitive areas is a very, very broad
[29:17]
concept. Well, if we could
[29:20]
define what that means, I think
[29:22]
it would be very clear. And the last
[29:28]
thing I had was strategy
[29:30]
3.2 talks about updating
[29:33]
spatial planning and zoning regulations
[29:35]
to take into account the highest
[29:37]
agricultural value soils and
[29:38]
land use conflicts. And I would like to, well
[29:42]
, encourage you to change the word
[29:44]
"consider" to "protect."
[29:48]
Because I really believe we need to
[29:50]
protect our agricultural soils. And that's all I had
[29:52]
in mind.
[29:53]
Thank you.
[29:55]
Can I ask a quick
[29:56]
question in written comments?
[29:58]
You said what specific steps
[29:59]
we should take to protect
[30:01]
agricultural soils. Did you throw Did you
[30:02]
include any suggestions in your
[30:04]
written comments?
[30:04]
Yes, I did.
[30:05]
Okay, great.
[30:06]
Thank you for that.
[30:08]
Full page.
[30:09]
This is really helpful.
[30:10]
Yes.
[30:12]
Thank you very much. Is there room?
[30:18]
Not yet.
[30:20]
Nothing. Is
[30:22]
this 604?
[30:23]
It's
[30:24]
hard to hear you. Is
[30:26]
this 604?
[30:28]
Okay.
[30:30]
Uh if it's still hard to hear us,
[30:32]
let us know in the chat. Uhm, I don't
[30:35]
see any hands online. Return to the room.
[30:47]
Joe Camarota from Waterbury Center and I
[30:49]
'm not here to talk about
[30:51]
housing. I'm actually
[30:53]
here
[30:53]
What?
[30:54]
I'm actually here on behalf of the
[30:56]
Waterbury Historical Society. And, uh well
[30:58]
, especially in the chapter on
[31:00]
historical resources. And there is a map
[31:04]
that maps the historic buildings,
[31:06]
but it does not cover all the
[31:07]
historic buildings in the city. It
[31:10]
actually takes into account
[31:12]
contributing structures that are
[31:13]
located in my historic
[31:15]
neighborhoods. And in fact, all
[31:17]
properties in the city that
[31:19]
have been listed on the State
[31:21]
Register of Historic Places are
[31:23]
available in the state. And they're bigger than
[31:26]
just in historic districts,
[31:27]
right? They are scattered throughout Waterbury
[31:29]
Center and other locations. And I think it's
[31:31]
important that these places
[31:33]
are included in the plan,
[31:35]
especially when you start talking about
[31:36]
your goals and strategies, because
[31:38]
you mention historic buildings but you
[31:40]
don't define them. And you might want
[31:43]
to think about a definition that
[31:45]
includes those places listed on the
[31:47]
state register. So when
[31:51]
we delve into the topic of supporting
[31:57]
their protection through
[31:59]
zoning and the
[32:01]
development review board, we might want to be more specific about
[32:03]
what types and what types of structures
[32:05]
we're talking about. And the only other comment I
[32:08]
have is whether you're saying, you know, you're using
[32:10]
the word "consider" or "
[32:12]
take into account historic values and
[32:16]
historic preservation updates." I would rather "
[32:17]
incorporate historic values and
[32:20]
heritage protection updates into
[32:22]
planning regulations and
[32:24]
development review processes." Thank you.
[32:28]
Hey Joe, I have a question for you
[32:30]
about nuts and bolts since I
[32:32]
created this map. Is this a
[32:35]
map of these structures or that awful
[32:38]
PDF database?
[32:40]
It's a terrible PDF database, but the
[32:42]
historical society is trying to
[32:43]
translate it into a form that
[32:45]
can be mapped and used.
[32:48]
Yes, Okay, I can work on that some more
[32:50]
. Um, to be
[32:53]
completely honest with you, I took this
[32:54]
awful PDF database and got incredibly
[32:56]
frustrated after spending
[32:58]
hours trying to figure out a clever
[33:00]
way to do it automatically.
[33:03]
So I'll give it some time and
[33:05]
see if I can get any further
[33:07]
. Er, yes. So uh, anyway, yes
[33:12]
, thank you.
[33:13]
Yes, okay.
[33:14]
I'll figure it out. So let's skip that.
[33:26]
Too many maps. Too many maps. Yes.
[33:30]
But if we did, we would have the
[33:32]
best map of historical structures
[33:34]
in any city. Er, is anyone
[33:38]
online yet or not? Okay.
[33:41]
I'll carry it.
[33:42]
Okay, okay, perfect. Carrie.
[33:45]
Hey.
[33:47]
Hi. Can
[33:47]
you hear me?
[33:48]
Yes, very good.
[33:53]
Hmm, I have something like...I'm just going to
[33:55]
continue on with the definition of
[33:57]
sensitive areas. Hmm, I think
[34:02]
that's something in the whole plan that
[34:04]
I had a question about. Hmm, throughout the plan
[34:10]
there are sensitive areas,
[34:12]
high risk areas, risk areas.
[34:18]
Can we have a definition or dictionary of
[34:20]
what this actually means and what is the
[34:22]
definition?
[34:27]
What would you suggest?
[34:30]
Maybe a dictionary. Hmm, I wouldn't want
[34:34]
anyone to make
[34:36]
such a decision in the future. If this is supposed to be a plan
[34:45]
for the next... I don't know how many years
[34:49]
we can create a definition, a dictionary,
[34:55]
for example, what is high risk
[34:57]
and what is risk? What are
[35:00]
sensitive areas?
[35:02]
Rather, I was asking if you had a list
[35:04]
that you would include in these
[35:05]
categories. I do
[35:09]
n't think it depends on
[35:10]
me. I think it's up to you
[35:13]
as the planning director and the
[35:15]
planning commission.
[35:16]
Noted. Thank you. Anything else on
[35:21]
this topic?
[35:23]
That's all.
[35:24]
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[35:29]
Is
[35:32]
anyone in the room since we had
[35:34]
someone on Zoom?
[35:40]
Sila Larsen
[35:41]
Hello.
[35:42]
Hi.
[35:44]
My name is Sila Larsen. I am in
[35:47]
Waterbury Center and I am also a
[35:48]
member of the Waterbury Preservation Commission,
[35:50]
but I am here today to speak on
[35:52]
my own behalf as an individual, not as a
[35:54]
member of the Waterbury Preservation Commission.
[35:59]
I know everyone thanked me. I
[36:01]
also want to thank you. It's a
[36:03]
huge amount of work. I love these
[36:06]
visualizations and maps. I'm a
[36:08]
map person, so I think
[36:10]
they're very accessible in that respect
[36:11]
. I wanted to
[36:15]
share this. I wanted to share
[36:19]
specifically, you know, because I'm on the
[36:21]
right track, a few questions. I'll
[36:24]
start with the questions. Will we be able to
[36:29]
review the revised plan between
[36:31]
now and the city council meeting,
[36:32]
or is this the only chance?
[36:37]
No, the goal is to improve it and
[36:39]
present it to the city council for
[36:41]
consideration. Then they announce
[36:44]
auditions.
[36:45]
All right.
[36:47]
At this point, the new project is now
[36:49]
available.
[36:50]
I see. You will be able to
[36:52]
see it, and part of our job
[36:54]
is to track changes.
[36:56]
All right.
[36:56]
So this is our next Yes, this is
[36:58]
our next task.
[37:00]
I see. Okay. Hey Neil, I'll send you
[37:03]
my written comments. I haven't
[37:05]
done it yet, but I'll pass it on to you.
[37:06]
Okay. Hey,
[37:10]
so I was focusing on the
[37:12]
natural resources part and
[37:14]
there's goal number one, strategy 1.2, uh,
[37:16]
working with experts and
[37:18]
landowners, the
[37:21]
environmental commission will propose a management plan for the
[37:25]
Shutesville Wildlife Corridor by 2030. I don't
[37:29]
think it's a very ambitious
[37:31]
plan. And I wish we had
[37:35]
something more ambitious here. I wish we could
[37:39]
say
[37:41]
we are working on
[37:43]
zoning regulations or an overlay district
[37:44]
to protect this very
[37:46]
valuable resource. And I think in the narrative
[37:52]
, you have this chart and it's clear that this is the
[37:54]
top priority of all the
[37:56]
people you surveyed, and yet it does
[37:58]
n't have a purpose of its own. You have a
[38:03]
wetlands goal, you have a
[38:06]
tree canopy goal, but the
[38:07]
wildlife corridor is kind of
[38:09]
woven into that, um, waterways and
[38:11]
habitats. So there's a
[38:20]
disconnect between the narrative and the
[38:22]
aspirations section that I
[38:24]
think needs to be addressed so that what
[38:26]
people consider most important
[38:28]
is framed under goal number
[38:30]
one and becomes its own topic.
[38:38]
Can I add something before
[38:39]
we go any further? I think…
[38:43]
I remember we put it there so we would
[38:45]
n't drag it out to 2035 and
[38:48]
2040. We received many
[38:50]
comments saying that we
[38:52]
gave you too much time. So
[38:54]
I think I would say that if
[38:56]
you want people involved in this
[38:58]
particular environmental protection to
[38:59]
give us this task, if
[39:01]
you think there's a shorter timeframe, we
[39:02]
should do it.
[39:03]
Yes.
[39:04]
I think we can put it there,
[39:06]
and even if we can't, it's something to
[39:08]
do by 2030. We could
[39:10]
do it faster if we can
[39:11]
do it. The question is whether it
[39:13]
is realistic to set a one-year
[39:14]
timeframe and actually
[39:16]
achieve it. So I think
[39:17]
we tried to find a balance
[39:19]
between not dragging
[39:21]
things out and not imposing such
[39:22]
tight deadlines. Correct.
[39:24]
So
[39:25]
I think I understand that. Please
[39:29]
correct me if I am wrong, but a
[39:31]
management plan is a plan, not a
[39:33]
regulatory tool for action. A plan is
[39:38]
simply a plan that we are developing now
[39:40]
to do something to protect the area in
[39:42]
the future, so we are actually
[39:43]
pushing protection even further into the
[39:45]
future. I wonder if this
[39:49]
could be something like what the
[39:50]
planning commission thinks about post-zoning
[39:52]
regulations
[39:55]
?
[39:58]
Maybe we could talk about
[39:59]
implementing this, considering it
[40:01]
was priority number one. Do
[40:06]
any of the other priorities have dates,
[40:08]
or just this one?
[40:11]
I would have to analyze them all
[40:13]
. I don't remember any hand.
[40:15]
I think it was one of
[40:16]
the few with a very specific date.
[40:20]
So it's prioritized, giving it
[40:22]
attention, saying this is the
[40:24]
deadline.
[40:29]
I think then, if we want to
[40:31]
stick to 2030, which I
[40:33]
still think is not super ambitious,
[40:35]
maybe then we'll change that to, we'll discuss
[40:38]
other options. This is also a management plan that I
[40:42]
disagree with because it is not a
[40:44]
regulatory lever. I think we could
[40:48]
discuss other options, other tools we
[40:50]
have in our arsenal to
[40:52]
protect this precious resource before it's
[40:54]
too late. I think so, so just
[41:00]
to put it in the context of the
[41:03]
whole process, city plans
[41:04]
typically influence regulations,
[41:06]
especially for cities that
[41:08]
are going through regulations changes and
[41:10]
modernizations, things like that. And
[41:12]
we are in the process of doing so. Yes,
[41:15]
phase one happened;
[41:16]
We were to proceed directly to
[41:18]
phase two. Instead,
[41:19]
we noticed that hey, our
[41:21]
city plan is expiring. That started the
[41:24]
process, and then it made sense for us as a
[41:26]
commission to go through that
[41:28]
process and then develop
[41:29]
the rest of the regulations in the city to
[41:31]
actually standardize our regulations.
[41:34]
Yes. So, to
[41:36]
contextualize this, it's referring
[41:38]
to this process, so I noticed
[41:42]
that, and I think we've had other
[41:44]
comments from other members of the
[41:46]
environmental committee and the environmental committee itself
[41:47]
saying similar
[41:49]
things. So yes
[41:52]
. Yes, no, and what I was thinking,
[42:02]
well, it escapes me now, but, but
[42:04]
of course, yes, that process
[42:05]
of sorting through the regulations is also a
[42:07]
separate process and may not be
[42:09]
approved, right? People may not
[42:15]
want these restrictions that come
[42:17]
with
[42:19]
overlapping districts and so on,
[42:21]
but at least they have it in the
[42:23]
2018 plan, it says, I think,
[42:25]
something like considering
[42:27]
protecting high mountain areas
[42:29]
with regulations. So it's
[42:33]
named and I think now there's
[42:35]
protection through the DRB that there has to be some
[42:37]
extra control when you want to
[42:39]
develop in high-
[42:41]
elevation areas. Definitely.
[42:42]
We do. Yes, we have an overlay for
[42:45]
steep slopes and elevations of 1200 and
[42:47]
1500 feet. I
[42:48]
understand you.
[42:49]
I wanted to say that you know
[42:50]
more about it than I do. So it comes
[42:52]
all the time.
[42:52]
Okay. So
[42:54]
something similar.
[42:56]
Yes, rather than just a
[42:57]
management plan. Um, is this,
[43:02]
um, a technical question, Dana? That this is
[43:05]
about spatial development
[43:07]
as opposed to a plan?
[43:09]
What is it? Sorry.
[43:10]
To satisfy what she was just
[43:12]
talking about. I think, I think you know,
[43:14]
I think you might be confusing
[43:15]
zoning with a
[43:16]
plan because, as he said
[43:18]
earlier, it's not a
[43:19]
zoning plan. This
[43:21]
is something that guides land use planning
[43:22]
.
[43:23]
Oh, sure.
[43:24]
Yes.
[43:25]
I'm talking about you requesting a, um,
[43:27]
management plan for the
[43:28]
Shutesville Hill corridor. And this is still a plan,
[43:33]
not a regulatory lever.
[43:37]
What I'm hearing from this, Monica, just to
[43:39]
clarify, is that, you know,
[43:41]
she sees a difference in the regulations in the
[43:43]
city plan and she's requesting a more
[43:44]
stringent or more protective
[43:46]
, I guess, measure that will be
[43:49]
outlined in the plan, which
[43:51]
will then influence what happens next.
[43:54]
So instead of just a management plan
[43:55]
for Shutesville, it's like,
[43:57]
oh, we'll try to do this. More like we
[43:59]
actually drew the
[44:01]
line and established the rules.
[44:03]
All right.
[44:04]
That's what I hear.
[44:05]
All right.
[44:06]
Thank you. I think this took my
[44:10]
3 minutes, but I have a few more
[44:12]
if I can.
[44:13]
You can come back.
[44:15]
Thank you. We took it over a bit.
[44:18]
Sorry.
[44:22]
All right. Zoom Room. I have a Zoom room.
[44:30]
Er, in person, next person. It
[44:40]
was like, maybe it's C. Leggett. NO
[44:42]
.
[44:44]
Hello, good evening. Uh, Teresa
[44:46]
Wood. Um, I live in Watervliet. Well
[44:49]
, I'll just add my
[44:50]
thanks to what
[44:52]
everyone else has said. It's not just about
[44:55]
hard work, but also about the format and
[44:57]
interactivity of the document. It seems
[45:01]
much more accessible and is
[45:03]
oriented towards working in many
[45:05]
places. I think the action-
[45:08]
oriented side could be improved a bit
[45:10]
. I think a few people
[45:13]
have commented on the use of the
[45:14]
word "consider," and you know,
[45:16]
if that's the direction
[45:18]
we're going, I think we could
[45:20]
strengthen some of those verbs
[45:22]
. Since this is essentially becoming
[45:27]
part of the story, I have included it in
[45:29]
my written comments from the
[45:31]
online link. Well, I couldn't
[45:34]
find it. I was looking for it
[45:36]
tonight but couldn't
[45:37]
find it. There is a reference to the
[45:39]
merger of the city and the countryside, and that is not what
[45:42]
happened. And that's why I think it
[45:46]
needs to be explained. The village, uh,
[45:50]
surrendered its charter, uh, and,
[45:52]
you know, E-FUD was, uh, established,
[45:55]
but the town and the village didn't
[45:57]
merge. That, uh, would require a vote,
[46:01]
which, you know, a lot of us passed
[46:03]
that vote, and I, I
[46:05]
just, I think that should be
[46:07]
, uh, clarified because these things
[46:09]
become historical documents and
[46:12]
people read them as fact, and I just
[46:14]
, uh, I thought it
[46:16]
would be important to correct that. Um, the other
[46:20]
thing I want to emphasize is that
[46:22]
, uh, you know, you appreciate the role of
[46:24]
other organizations, other
[46:27]
NGOs, and I think that's
[46:28]
really important because they add to the
[46:31]
vitality and, uh, the sense of community
[46:33]
that we have here. So, I just want
[46:37]
to thank you for that as well.
[46:39]
Thank you.
[46:40]
Teresa. Is anyone in
[46:46]
online arguments?
[46:49]
NO.
[46:50]
Nobody from The Matrix.
[46:53]
Er, in the room.
[47:04]
What, what hat are you wearing?
[47:07]
I left them back there. I'm here
[47:12]
as Roger Clapp of Railroad Street,
[47:14]
executive director of Discover Waterbury,
[47:16]
which is still officially called
[47:18]
Revitalizing Waterbury. And for full
[47:24]
transparency, I also serve on the
[47:26]
Waterbury City Council, but I'm here to
[47:28]
talk about Discover Waterbury.
[47:33]
Our mission is to preserve,
[47:34]
promote and enhance the economic,
[47:41]
historical and social vitality of
[47:43]
Waterbury for residents, businesses and
[47:45]
visitors. It gives us a pretty big,
[47:55]
working area and we're doing a lot, and
[47:57]
I appreciate the fact that you've done a
[47:59]
great job engaging
[48:00]
the community. Many of the people we
[48:05]
work with have already spoken out
[48:07]
this evening. Others also
[48:09]
submitted comments online, including
[48:11]
Gretchen Schizzel, our
[48:14]
economic development coordinator. I would like to
[48:18]
highlight and support the comments that have already
[48:20]
been submitted. And
[48:29]
then, uh, just a couple of things of
[48:31]
note, uh, in the section on
[48:34]
historic preservation, uh, uh, uh, I'd like to
[48:36]
note that Revitalizing Waterbury
[48:38]
has been directly involved in, uh
[48:40]
, several major historic preservation projects
[48:43]
, and most notably the Simpson
[48:45]
Graves block, uh, downtown, which is
[48:47]
why the organization was founded in
[48:50]
1991. Uh, and then, uh, with Green Mountain
[48:57]
Coffee Roasters, uh, the renovation of the
[49:00]
Waterbury train station. And, uh, that
[49:03]
's still part of our mission. Uh,
[49:09]
we're not directly involved,
[49:11]
uh, in, uh, historic, uh,
[49:13]
preservation projects, but, uh, we do help,
[49:15]
uh, businesses and entrepreneurs with, uh,
[49:18]
their historic preservation tax credits.
[49:24]
One of them received
[49:26]
$40,000 last year, and we believe
[49:30]
another will be awarded in the next week or two. And we
[49:34]
are in a unique position to
[49:36]
help leverage some of that
[49:38]
support. And so, one of the things
[49:42]
you did this year was
[49:44]
identify organizations that can
[49:46]
implement some of the
[49:48]
strategic approaches that
[49:49]
you outlined, and I think we
[49:51]
should be mentioned in that regard
[49:53]
. As our
[50:03]
newest board member, Sierra
[50:05]
Nagler, noted, we are entering into the
[50:06]
Waterbury Pathways Initiative in
[50:08]
partnership with WADA and the
[50:13]
Wreck Commission and Wreck Department.
[50:24]
Last year, we secured a
[50:29]
$200,000 grant from the city for transportation to the city center, and this
[50:31]
year we want to apply for another
[50:33]
$150,000 grant
[50:35]
to support the further development of access
[50:37]
to more parking spaces
[50:40]
, navigation systems, and
[50:41]
sidewalks so that residents can
[50:43]
use parking spaces
[50:45]
away from the city center. This is
[50:57]
something that the
[51:00]
Waterbury Area Development Commission that
[51:02]
we work with supports, and some of
[51:04]
Gretchen's comments relate to
[51:05]
that. So, um, these are just
[51:13]
points that I think are worth
[51:14]
noting, and the reason why it
[51:16]
's particularly important is that
[51:18]
when this goes into the city plan
[51:21]
, and we can cite it in, um, these,
[51:23]
um, grant applications, um, it strengthens
[51:25]
our, um,
[51:26]
comparative competitiveness in receiving these
[51:28]
grants, um, um, and it takes some of the
[51:30]
burden off the taxpayers of the city. Hmm,
[51:38]
I'll leave this here. I did one
[51:42]
thing, one thing
[51:44]
I wanted to point out is that
[51:46]
um, we have another, um,
[51:47]
public session on Monday at 7:00 to
[51:50]
look at some of what
[51:51]
can be done. We are working with the
[51:58]
National Park Service on
[52:00]
planning the River Meadow and
[52:02]
Waterbury trails and river access.
[52:11]
Specifically, what are some of the
[52:13]
compatible features that will
[52:15]
fit with
[52:16]
flood mitigation and also take into account
[52:18]
some of the interests within the
[52:20]
community in the
[52:21]
social and recreational interests of the
[52:23]
community and we invite people to
[52:24]
participate in that. So, thank you.
[52:30]
Before you leave, wait. Wait,
[52:32]
I have a question.
[52:33]
Time.
[52:33]
You start.
[52:34]
Prerogative of the chairman. I'm
[52:36]
starting.
[52:37]
Hmm, what would you like to be called on
[52:38]
this city map, because I know you're
[52:40]
changing names. So, I think
[52:42]
we were talking about the revitalization of Waterbury.
[52:44]
I know it's changing.
[52:45]
Well, yes, we are changing our name to
[52:47]
Discover Waterbury, so we will.
[52:50]
Hmm,
[52:50]
Discover Waterbury should be a
[52:52]
cross between "Yes." All right. Noted.
[52:55]
Thank you.
[52:55]
So, in the transportation section,
[52:57]
can we put, "Will you volunteer
[52:59]
for Waterbury pathways to
[53:00]
be in our, um, our
[53:02]
out-of-town groups to help with that?" Yes,
[53:05]
or Discover Waterbury. We've
[53:06]
already signed you up.
[53:08]
All right. Yes.
[53:10]
I'm looking at...I'm looking at Ed. You think
[53:13]
you can put that in,
[53:17]
so I think, you know, we'll
[53:19]
continue to work on using this
[53:21]
Waterbury pathways brand to signify
[53:23]
this focus on developing
[53:24]
multi-use, non-motorized
[53:26]
paths.
[53:29]
All right. Thank you.
[53:31]
Any other questions?
[53:33]
Thank you. Thank you.
[53:34]
Thanks.
[53:36]
Anyone online?
[53:37]
Not yet.
[53:38]
Okay. Uh personally?
[53:41]
I and I have one online. to
[53:43]
do?
[53:44]
Oh.
[53:44]
We have Don Snyder. Sorry.
[53:48]
Oh, Carrie.
[53:49]
You're welcome, Carrie. Oh,
[53:55]
she clapped.
[53:56]
Oh.
[53:56]
I
[53:57]
got you. Well, we appreciate that. Um, okay
[54:02]
, so I think in, uh,
[54:04]
in person, please. If anyone doesn't
[54:07]
...
[54:08]
Okay, I'm Josh Lincoln, uh,
[54:10]
Brush Hill. And, uh, I've lived there
[54:14]
half my life, uh, longer
[54:16]
than anywhere else. And I'll limit
[54:19]
, uh, one thing, I want to thank you.
[54:21]
You've done a lot of hard work. I
[54:22]
really appreciate it. That's, uh,
[54:24]
amazing. Um, but I'll limit my,
[54:28]
uh, comments to one thing. I'll be
[54:32]
pretty short, and you've covered
[54:34]
some of it. Silla touched on a few of
[54:36]
them and, um, sorry, um, my
[54:38]
hearing is poor, so I might have
[54:40]
missed, um, some of what
[54:42]
she said. But my comments
[54:47]
will be in relation to the
[54:49]
2030 emergency timeline for, uh,
[54:51]
establishing a definitive framework for protecting
[54:53]
some of our key
[54:55]
resources: uh, the
[54:57]
Shootsville Wildlife Corridor, the
[54:59]
Sharkeyville Wildlife Corridor. And I think
[55:13]
if I have one thing, uh, that
[55:15]
I'd like to achieve and I'll limit myself
[55:17]
to one, it's that we don't
[55:19]
put this off, that we
[55:21]
do everything we can
[55:23]
because a lot of the reason why,
[55:25]
uh, we're happy with the quality of what
[55:27]
we have here and people come to
[55:29]
see it is because
[55:31]
we haven't, you know, or haven't yet
[55:33]
allowed for the gradual parceling out
[55:35]
, the fragmentation, the development of areas
[55:37]
like Williston Road, Shelburne
[55:39]
Road, and areas that, uh, have
[55:41]
made communities into
[55:43]
something other than what they are. I worked
[55:53]
in Williston before any of this, you
[55:57]
know, was built. There were
[55:59]
fields there. I've seen bobcats and
[56:02]
coyotes running around there at 6:00 in the morning on
[56:04]
my way to work, and you know, obviously it's
[56:06]
far from that. And my goal is to
[56:11]
do everything we can to
[56:13]
not wait until 2030 to
[56:15]
protect these areas. And, you know,
[56:20]
I think there should be, you
[56:22]
know, and again, that's not my area
[56:24]
of expertise. So, you know, whether it
[56:31]
's an overlay on the area, which I
[56:33]
think would be the most obvious,
[56:35]
or enhanced protection, enhanced
[56:37]
development review, or, you know,
[56:39]
expansion of conservation areas, which,
[56:41]
when you talk to Fisheries and
[56:43]
Wildlife, you know, they say, you know, 17
[56:45]
acres is the minimum area, but
[56:47]
whatever it is, that's not my area of
[56:49]
expertise. And again, as
[56:54]
you said, this is not a discussion about
[56:57]
spatial planning. But I would like to
[57:02]
do everything we can
[57:04]
to avoid anytime
[57:06]
something like this comes up, any
[57:08]
potential litigation between
[57:10]
the city and anyone trying to
[57:12]
do anything there. If we can be sure
[57:18]
, let's get this done before 2030 and
[57:20]
protect what I think is the most
[57:22]
important thing we have to
[57:24]
do, I think we just have to
[57:26]
do it and make it
[57:28]
happen. So I'll leave it at that and these are
[57:32]
my comments. Thank you. Thank you
[57:34]
.
[57:35]
Thank you.
[57:35]
I appreciate it.
[57:43]
Whatever?
[57:45]
NO.
[57:46]
All right. I ask for
[57:49]
peace.
[57:57]
I'm Aaron Starmer from Maple Street in
[57:59]
Waterbury Center. I'm on the
[58:02]
recreation committee, but I think
[58:04]
Emma did a great job of
[58:06]
relaying what we've already
[58:07]
sent you. So I approach it
[58:09]
more from the perspective of someone who
[58:11]
looks at a city plan and thinks about the
[58:13]
future, thinking that it's an
[58:15]
eight-year document. All that work
[58:19]
you did with the maps
[58:21]
is probably not…er…not a
[58:23]
living document in the sense
[58:25]
that it will be added to over the next 8
[58:27]
years as the maps and charts are
[58:29]
updated. As a citizen, I want
[58:35]
to see this data, and a large part of the
[58:36]
city's plan is about tracking it. And
[58:40]
you know, there's so much out there about
[58:41]
tracking that data. But the average
[58:44]
citizen, as we see, is not
[58:46]
present here. I don't know if they look at this
[58:50]
city plan. I don't know if they'll come back to it
[58:53]
after it's finished. But is there
[58:58]
some mechanism in the city plan
[59:00]
that says, "We'll take this
[59:02]
data, we'll take...we've already
[59:03]
created this...this framework, we'll take
[59:05]
this tracking data and make it available to the
[59:07]
public," in that...then the
[59:09]
public will know
[59:11]
what facilities, um, we're using.
[59:16]
Where are the needs, where are the, you know,
[59:18]
what are our priorities as a
[59:19]
community. Hmm, and I think it's
[59:22]
extremely helpful and you did a
[59:24]
great job putting it
[59:26]
all out there. But I'm afraid it'll get
[59:29]
buried in a
[59:31]
click-through page, and most people
[59:33]
will think, "Oh, it's probably just a
[59:35]
PDF with a lot of text
[59:37]
that doesn't apply to me," when there
[59:39]
's so much good data there, and
[59:41]
your goal is to be great at tracking
[59:43]
it all. So that was my
[59:48]
main thought while reading and you know
[59:50]
, we live in a world now where it's
[59:52]
much easier than it
[59:54]
used to be when a city map was just a
[59:56]
document lying around somewhere. Hmm,
[1:00:00]
so that's what I'd like to see
[1:00:02]
in the future, because you've
[1:00:04]
already done all this great work and we
[1:00:06]
all clearly appreciate it. So.
[1:00:09]
Can I ask you a question?
[1:00:10]
Yes.
[1:00:11]
Well, if I understand correctly, and
[1:00:13]
you are right, a city plan is a static
[1:00:15]
document. We don't
[1:00:16]
update, change, etc. We can't
[1:00:18]
unless we go through
[1:00:20]
this process. So, what you're saying is,
[1:00:23]
you know, we take something from this, these are the
[1:00:25]
things we want to track, right
[1:00:27]
? The things that we said in the
[1:00:29]
plan that we want to track, and the
[1:00:31]
organization or something like that, and
[1:00:33]
we create some sort of
[1:00:34]
dashboard or portal or whatever, where it
[1:00:36]
's like, hey, we said we're going to
[1:00:38]
do this for a purpose. Well
[1:00:39]
then.
[1:00:40]
Here's where we started, and here's what
[1:00:43]
we see now.
[1:00:44]
And that would be kind of a separate,
[1:00:45]
parallel thing. It's simply a
[1:00:47]
working, living document that
[1:00:49]
is updated.
[1:00:50]
It's kind of centralized
[1:00:52]
for all the initiatives
[1:00:55]
we're working on.
[1:00:56]
Yeah, and you know, something that people
[1:00:58]
could come back to every year, committees,
[1:01:00]
citizens, you know, town meeting day
[1:01:01]
, that it's something that we
[1:01:03]
all have access to, as
[1:01:05]
opposed to, you know, something that's
[1:01:07]
talked about at these meetings and
[1:01:08]
most people don't come.
[1:01:13]
Yes. Okay.
[1:01:14]
Thank you. Thank you.
[1:01:16]
Good suggestion.
[1:01:19]
online
[1:01:20]
Okay, great. What do you have?
[1:01:22]
Amy. Hi. Can
[1:01:26]
you hear me well?
[1:01:27]
Yes. Yes.
[1:01:28]
Okay, great. For those who do
[1:01:30]
n't know me, I'm Amy Marshall Carney.
[1:01:32]
I live in Waterbury Center. I am
[1:01:34]
the chairwoman of the
[1:01:36]
Environmental Protection Committee. Tonight
[1:01:39]
I had no intention of talking about what
[1:01:41]
I laid out in detail for all of you
[1:01:42]
in the document, and it was
[1:01:44]
repeated here with Silla and Josh.
[1:01:48]
So, when it comes down to it, unless
[1:01:50]
you want me to emphasize it, I can.
[1:01:54]
Er, what I wanted to talk about here is,
[1:01:55]
well, a few things.
[1:01:58]
I'll mention, just for those in
[1:02:00]
the audience, that some of the opinions
[1:02:02]
I shared were about
[1:02:04]
natural resources, but some of them were
[1:02:06]
also about the time allocation, um,
[1:02:07]
for this public
[1:02:09]
review. And, and I still have a lot to
[1:02:12]
do, and I just felt that
[1:02:13]
if we had more time, I think the
[1:02:15]
review could have been more thorough.
[1:02:19]
Um, so, I just wanted to say,
[1:02:21]
um, for everyone to hear. Hmm, I
[1:02:24]
should also start by saying
[1:02:26]
thank you so much, because I realize
[1:02:29]
I had a printed version when I was looking at this document.
[1:02:32]
Hmm, that's a lot of work. So, it's a lot of
[1:02:34]
work to create it, and I and I know you
[1:02:36]
all put a lot of
[1:02:38]
time into these creation sessions. So I don't
[1:02:40]
want any of these opinions to
[1:02:42]
diminish that effort either. Well
[1:02:45]
, I'm not myself, when I
[1:02:46]
step back, I wanted to look at it through the
[1:02:49]
lens of how they fit together and
[1:02:50]
I saw some inconsistency
[1:02:52]
that I'm not sure how you all
[1:02:54]
think to take into account since, well, you're
[1:02:56]
taking individual opinions
[1:02:58]
by section. But as I read
[1:03:01]
each one, each chapter
[1:03:03]
individually, and again, I have more to
[1:03:05]
do, they all seemed to make
[1:03:06]
sense. There were simply
[1:03:08]
parts where they were contradictory.
[1:03:11]
For example, the chapter on
[1:03:12]
housing tells us to plant
[1:03:14]
new buildings where
[1:03:16]
water and sewage systems already run, i.e. in
[1:03:18]
the center, in the centers of villages. Well, but
[1:03:21]
the chapter on flood resilience
[1:03:23]
uses a city map and tells us to
[1:03:25]
build new development away from the
[1:03:27]
river corridor. Well, it turns out
[1:03:30]
these are the same four districts
[1:03:32]
we have, right? Like Union Street,
[1:03:34]
Butler, Elm and Randall, and then South
[1:03:36]
Main. And when it comes to planning to
[1:03:41]
increase population density in
[1:03:43]
areas at the highest risk of flooding,
[1:03:45]
we also have federal programs that
[1:03:47]
help fund that. There's risk
[1:03:54]
built into it, and our
[1:03:55]
funding plans, and both of them, you know, are
[1:03:57]
marked as suspended or
[1:03:59]
potentially suspended. I just don't know
[1:04:03]
if you looked at it through this
[1:04:05]
prism. The bigger problem, from my
[1:04:08]
perspective, is
[1:04:09]
property taxes. You know, you mentioned
[1:04:13]
them at the beginning. And they are listed
[1:04:15]
as one of the most important
[1:04:17]
community problems. And they weren't just there
[1:04:18]
once, but were mentioned at
[1:04:20]
least three times in three separate
[1:04:22]
chapters. So when I think about it
[1:04:25]
through that lens, the plan never
[1:04:27]
really works out. These
[1:04:30]
are all like land-ownership conservation strategies
[1:04:31]
, and it sounds a
[1:04:33]
little strange to me from an
[1:04:35]
environmental perspective, where we
[1:04:36]
're trying to add some
[1:04:38]
protections, but we have a
[1:04:39]
river corridor, you know? We have
[1:04:41]
ridge overlays, we have habitat corridors.
[1:04:45]
And is this also a view of the
[1:04:47]
remaining land subject to
[1:04:48]
taxation? So, for example,
[1:04:52]
you know, a
[1:04:54]
$4.3 million flood control project, a new
[1:04:56]
stormwater management plan, and on top of that,
[1:04:59]
we already have a
[1:05:01]
school tax rate increase of about 25% over
[1:05:03]
five years? Something like that, 20-25%.
[1:05:08]
You know, all of these things
[1:05:10]
are reasonable on their own, but I'm not
[1:05:12]
sure how it all comes together
[1:05:14]
if the goal remains one of the
[1:05:16]
community's goals, which is to raise
[1:05:18]
property taxes. One other
[1:05:21]
specific example that
[1:05:23]
might help is the chapter on
[1:05:25]
housing, which describes new
[1:05:26]
construction as a way to
[1:05:28]
get more
[1:05:29]
children into school. Well, the
[1:05:31]
next chapter says that
[1:05:34]
enrollment has already dropped by 5% since
[1:05:37]
2021. The school committee, you know, is
[1:05:39]
discussing, as you know or should
[1:05:40]
know, at a public level about
[1:05:42]
Brookside Elementary School and
[1:05:44]
all these other places. Well
[1:05:45]
, it just doesn't seem like the
[1:05:47]
different units
[1:05:49]
agree with each other. So, this is supposed to be a
[1:05:51]
holistic plan for the city.
[1:05:52]
I would expect some of
[1:05:54]
this to be addressed in this way
[1:05:55]
. And if all
[1:05:58]
costs are not included, they do
[1:06:00]
not seem to be
[1:06:02]
distributed evenly. Well, every
[1:06:07]
division has, I think almost
[1:06:08]
all of them if
[1:06:10]
I read it correctly, they add layers of
[1:06:12]
rule review to the plots. And the
[1:06:16]
housing chapter,
[1:06:18]
you know, already acknowledges that
[1:06:19]
the complexity of the regulations is the
[1:06:21]
biggest obstacle. So that
[1:06:24]
makes life harder for landowners
[1:06:26]
, right? You know, one piece of land
[1:06:29]
is trying to divide itself and as I
[1:06:31]
think you've talked about in
[1:06:33]
your working groups, you know,
[1:06:35]
it becomes a little bit more difficult to
[1:06:36]
do. So my request is
[1:06:41]
, um, if the costs, well, well
[1:06:44]
, before the plans are approved, is there a
[1:06:46]
way to publish, you know, a
[1:06:48]
page or some kind of summary
[1:06:50]
that combines all the chapters,
[1:06:52]
shows everything added up, you know, and
[1:06:54]
what the math of the flood is? That's
[1:06:59]
all the math is, right? You have
[1:07:00]
tax math,
[1:07:02]
flood math, permit math,
[1:07:04]
all of that. Um, so as
[1:07:05]
residents, it might be a little
[1:07:07]
easier for us to see the net, net, how
[1:07:09]
all of this really translates to us
[1:07:11]
and affects us.
[1:07:15]
That would be helpful.
[1:07:17]
All right. Uh, yes.
[1:07:19]
Thank you.
[1:07:24]
Thanks. Would
[1:07:32]
anyone in the audience like to speak?
[1:07:38]
I'd love to try it again and maybe
[1:07:40]
learn something more than
[1:07:41]
Oh God, I think everything's
[1:07:43]
okay. Round two. You get
[1:07:46]
seconds.
[1:07:52]
You know, I don't give myself time because
[1:07:54]
the problem with 3 minutes is that you have to
[1:07:56]
stretch yourself.
[1:08:00]
You're trying to get your point across
[1:08:02]
, and there are too many things to
[1:08:04]
discuss that come
[1:08:09]
together to solve these
[1:08:10]
problems. If our mission is to
[1:08:13]
go back to those five headlines and
[1:08:15]
try to solve those problems…
[1:08:19]
I’m not sure the plan actually
[1:08:24]
has the information to get us there
[1:08:27]
. Maybe to Amy, who has
[1:08:31]
some concerns.
[1:08:34]
I presented the scenario to the
[1:08:36]
city council a while back and they probably don't want to
[1:08:38]
hear it anymore, but I'll give you something
[1:08:40]
to think about. I presented a
[1:08:42]
scenario of what would happen if
[1:08:44]
Waterbury built 100,000 homes
[1:08:46]
a year for the next 5 years. Let's call
[1:08:49]
them mid-priced homes. You could
[1:08:53]
consider $650,000. But
[1:08:57]
I guess it's fairly realistic. Total
[1:09:01]
tax revenue from these homes
[1:09:03]
would average about
[1:09:05]
$8,000. Correct.
[1:09:08]
So the city receives $800,000
[1:09:10]
a year in additional
[1:09:12]
tax revenue, but only 15% of it goes
[1:09:15]
to the city. That's $120,000. At
[1:09:20]
our last town meeting, the
[1:09:23]
annual increase was 3%, which amounted to
[1:09:25]
$150,000. So, at
[1:09:30]
100,100 homes a year, we can't
[1:09:32]
even keep up with our annual
[1:09:34]
budget growth. This is without any additional big
[1:09:38]
work, no big positions, no
[1:09:40]
bonds, no big projects, nothing like
[1:09:42]
that. Only an annual growth of 2 to 4%
[1:09:48]
on average. 100 houses a year is
[1:09:54]
unthinkable. I think 30 to 40 in the
[1:09:56]
area of municipal
[1:09:58]
water supply is probably
[1:09:59]
unthinkable. First of all, I don't know
[1:10:01]
where the hell you're going to put them.
[1:10:05]
Land acquisition is a huge part of
[1:10:07]
Everyone says that state regulations
[1:10:09]
are a major cost factor.
[1:10:13]
Having been in the industry for 45 years, I don't
[1:10:16]
see this as a major
[1:10:18]
cost factor. I look at what
[1:10:21]
happened with land acquisitions, which
[1:10:23]
really moved the needle towards
[1:10:25]
things being unattainable. I don't know how to
[1:10:29]
solve this. Hmm, present
[1:10:33]
from you, however. The
[1:10:38]
current market The current market has driven
[1:10:40]
this to the point where people
[1:10:41]
are seeing this as, you know, maybe the
[1:10:43]
only way to survive with
[1:10:45]
all the inflationary problems
[1:10:47]
that we've been facing. If someone
[1:10:54]
sells a piece of real estate and wants to
[1:10:55]
stay in Vermont, they will
[1:10:57]
burn through it in the blink of an eye, equal to the
[1:10:59]
cost of living here. If he
[1:11:06]
cashes out to move somewhere
[1:11:08]
else, then he might be better off
[1:11:10]
elsewhere, but when it comes to
[1:11:11]
affordability,
[1:11:13]
no average working-class person
[1:11:15]
in this state, or even this
[1:11:17]
city, will be able to
[1:11:18]
touch those numbers. I wish I had
[1:11:28]
more time to invest because it
[1:11:29]
sounds like I just come in
[1:11:31]
and have a stomach ache, but
[1:11:33]
I really appreciate everything you've done, but
[1:11:35]
I'm so involved every day,
[1:11:37]
not just working with people
[1:11:39]
trying to find them a home. Their
[1:11:43]
biggest fear after finding
[1:11:45]
one is that I'm working
[1:11:47]
on a project right now that I could
[1:11:49]
get into, but they're a young couple. Their
[1:11:51]
biggest fear, even though their
[1:11:56]
family helped them with a huge part of the
[1:11:58]
project and I do too.
[1:12:02]
Diesel prices are rising, I see and
[1:12:04]
hear everyone raising prices.
[1:12:07]
I refuse. I refuse. I'm willing to
[1:12:11]
take it on the chin because I know the
[1:12:13]
impact this has on us as, you
[1:12:15]
know, citizens. I'll take
[1:12:17]
that for granted,
[1:12:19]
but if he didn't have the help of the family he
[1:12:21]
had, he wouldn't have been able to
[1:12:23]
do it. And his bigger concern
[1:12:26]
is how the hell am I supposed to
[1:12:28]
stick with it once I'm there, you know,
[1:12:30]
I can achieve that part.
[1:12:32]
Maintaining this later will be the
[1:12:34]
main concern. So I think I'm
[1:12:39]
looking at part of this
[1:12:41]
city plan and I haven't considered the
[1:12:42]
economic development aspect of it. I keep
[1:12:51]
thinking to myself, how can we, as a city,
[1:12:53]
come up with some form of
[1:12:55]
economic strategy that, you know,
[1:12:57]
just shifts revenue to this
[1:12:59]
city without impacting us from an
[1:13:00]
infrastructure perspective? From a
[1:13:09]
development standpoint, because of those 100
[1:13:11]
homes that were built,
[1:13:13]
if they were built annually
[1:13:15]
for 5 years, those tax revenues in
[1:13:16]
meeting the annual budget do not
[1:13:18]
take into account the impact of those 100 homes
[1:13:20]
on the community in terms of
[1:13:22]
additional services. So again, I don't
[1:13:32]
know what the answer is, but this
[1:13:34]
particular scenario was an effort
[1:13:40]
that was constantly tried and maybe, as I said,
[1:13:43]
the value of the dollar at that time
[1:13:45]
maybe worked back then. But that's
[1:13:48]
not the case anymore. So we have to change
[1:13:51]
our mindset about what
[1:13:53]
we can do to skin the cat
[1:13:55]
in a different way, because that
[1:13:57]
just leads us down a false
[1:13:59]
path. Because you won't solve
[1:14:02]
these problems as things stand
[1:14:04]
. I have a
[1:14:06]
question for you. If there is one
[1:14:08]
thing you would recommend we
[1:14:09]
include here, what would it
[1:14:11]
be? Because we have a lot of
[1:14:12]
questions too, right? Like we're
[1:14:13]
trying to solve a lot of these
[1:14:15]
problems, compromises, etc., So I'm just curious if
[1:14:18]
you have any specific suggestion
[1:14:20]
that you would put here.
[1:14:21]
I'm asking you this question. Has anyone
[1:14:23]
seen the latest video that was
[1:14:25]
released, um, it showed some
[1:14:33]
residents of that area around
[1:14:35]
Warren Weatsfield. Paul Hartshorn was
[1:14:40]
one of the people in this video. My
[1:14:43]
nephew sent me a video. I think it
[1:14:46]
was probably published
[1:14:48]
by the Republican Party. I
[1:14:51]
'm not sure. He didn't say it
[1:14:54]
directly, but Paul Hartshorn said,
[1:14:56]
"I had to cash in my
[1:14:58]
health insurance, or my
[1:15:02]
health insurance, what is it? A
[1:15:05]
life insurance policy I've had
[1:15:06]
for over 70 years, to pay my
[1:15:08]
property taxes this year.
[1:15:11]
It made my blood rush to my
[1:15:14]
head. I was so angry that
[1:15:17]
we'd come to this point. Um,
[1:15:21]
maybe I'll try to send you that video so you can
[1:15:23]
see it. It was, uh,
[1:15:26]
eye-opening. Um, frustrating,
[1:15:29]
quite honestly. Um, your question
[1:15:38]
again was: Can you
[1:15:39]
rephrase that?
[1:15:41]
Yeah, what would you recommend we
[1:15:43]
put in place here to solve some
[1:15:45]
of these problems?
[1:15:47]
Okay, so that brings me back
[1:15:49]
to why I lost the
[1:15:51]
thread. So I said to Senator
[1:15:53]
Beck, 'If I were governor, okay
[1:15:55]
? I think this is such a drastic
[1:15:58]
problem. If I were governor,
[1:16:02]
I would walk in the door on day one
[1:16:05]
and tell all the
[1:16:07]
department heads, 'Cut the budget by
[1:16:09]
25%, period. I don't care how you
[1:16:11]
do it.'" Then I would cut back on
[1:16:16]
all our expenses. Roger Clapp was
[1:16:18]
just talking about two separate
[1:16:20]
grants. I appreciate that, you know,
[1:16:24]
you brought up these issues, but the truth
[1:16:26]
is that because of the
[1:16:27]
circumstances we're in
[1:16:30]
, we have to really cut back on all of these
[1:16:32]
extra expenses. We have
[1:16:37]
enough resources in our citizens to
[1:16:39]
take care of this and get through it
[1:16:41]
for, you know, five years to
[1:16:43]
get back on our feet financially. All
[1:16:49]
grants, you know,
[1:16:51]
nonprofits, certain aspects are brought up
[1:16:53]
in their unpopular discussions. Nobody
[1:16:57]
wants to listen to them. So
[1:16:59]
, wait a minute. There is one person in the back
[1:17:01]
Yes. Well, so much of what
[1:17:05]
we do overspends on that
[1:17:07]
we need to focus on needs.
[1:17:10]
When I spoke with Amanda Jeanue,
[1:17:12]
she told me, "We need to get back to
[1:17:14]
basics." And I said, "I'm curious
[1:17:17]
what you mean by basics and what
[1:17:19]
I mean by basics." We return to
[1:17:22]
basic needs. We need to get back
[1:17:26]
on our feet. Lower those costs from a
[1:17:31]
property tax perspective, a
[1:17:33]
school tax perspective,
[1:17:38]
municipal taxes, you know,
[1:17:40]
municipal taxes, and I hate to
[1:17:42]
say it, but let's go back to the way
[1:17:44]
we old Vermonters used to
[1:17:46]
live. Let's get back on our feet and then
[1:17:51]
move forward. I emphasized that
[1:17:58]
I believed this and asked legislators,
[1:17:59]
"When will you admit the state is
[1:18:01]
bankrupt and start working backward
[1:18:03]
?" Because we really are
[1:18:12]
broke, because I could
[1:18:14]
list everything from our poor
[1:18:16]
educational facilities to our
[1:18:18]
housing problems to our
[1:18:20]
infrastructure problems to our health care costs to
[1:18:21]
our state
[1:18:23]
pension program. And so on, there is a list of at
[1:18:33]
least 10 expensive things that we
[1:18:35]
, the state, cannot solve
[1:18:37]
because we have no income.
[1:18:41]
So Chris, I'm going to So yeah,
[1:18:43]
I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.
[1:18:45]
Yes, yes, I know. I heard what
[1:18:47]
you said. Reduce expenses.
[1:18:50]
Yes, we will try to reach this
[1:18:52]
compromise. I appreciate this information. I know it's
[1:18:54]
complicated.
[1:18:55]
Yes, it's complicated, very
[1:18:57]
complicated. There's so much involved in this
[1:18:59]
and I say again, you
[1:19:00]
guys are doing a great
[1:19:02]
job. It's just about
[1:19:05]
achieving that mission, it's gonna
[1:19:07]
take a few different, a few
[1:19:09]
different, uh ideas.
[1:19:13]
Thank you.
[1:19:14]
Do you appreciate it? Comment on Zoom. Do we have a
[1:19:19]
hand in Zoom? Zoom member?
[1:19:21]
Hand on Zoom.
[1:19:24]
Carrie.
[1:19:24]
Good, good. Chris,
[1:19:32]
thank you so much for all your work. Well, that's
[1:19:36]
it, but my concerns about the plan
[1:19:38]
are very broad. I look at him as if I
[1:19:47]
were a member of the
[1:19:48]
city council in 5 years. How do I determine
[1:19:58]
what the plan is and who is
[1:19:59]
responsible? I think this is where I have a
[1:20:07]
problem with the plan, because we have a lot of things
[1:20:09]
that might be responsible and
[1:20:11]
which might not. Are you hoping to get
[1:20:18]
something published with
[1:20:20]
responsible parties or are you just
[1:20:21]
throwing it around? Well
[1:20:27]
, I'll try. As you noticed
[1:20:32]
, you know, we have these goals and strategies and
[1:20:34]
then we have sort of a
[1:20:36]
progress tracking section. At the heart of a lot of
[1:20:39]
these goals and strategies is,
[1:20:41]
I think, everyone's, you know,
[1:20:44]
responsible. So we actually
[1:20:46]
give names. So, if you
[1:20:48]
were on city council five years from now, you would
[1:20:50]
refer to this and ask,
[1:20:51]
“What did the planning commission say about
[1:20:53]
natural resources?” Oh, they
[1:20:55]
contacted this and this and this and this other organization. Do you know
[1:21:02]
if we have the authority to appoint,
[1:21:04]
bind, and hold them
[1:21:06]
accountable in this matter? I don't
[1:21:09]
think we have that kind of power
[1:21:11]
. I think maybe the city council
[1:21:15]
could do this. You know, a
[1:21:17]
public vote could do it.
[1:21:19]
Consensus could do it. But
[1:21:22]
I'm not sure we have the authority to
[1:21:23]
say you have any
[1:21:25]
say in the matter. And that's why
[1:21:28]
we put it the way we
[1:21:30]
put it. You say
[1:21:35]
you give many NGOs
[1:21:37]
a lot of power. And that
[1:21:41]
is my question. So you're not saying you're
[1:21:47]
not giving us a city plan
[1:21:49]
that says someone is
[1:21:51]
responsible, that there should be a
[1:21:53]
responsible party like the
[1:21:55]
city council to give the green light or
[1:22:00]
something happened. So this is
[1:22:02]
my question. Well, where are we
[1:22:04]
? We just say, "Well, that
[1:22:08]
might be the responsible party,"
[1:22:09]
but for every action that
[1:22:11]
imposes a burden on
[1:22:13]
the taxpayer, there should be one party
[1:22:15]
responsible.
[1:22:19]
Okay, so if I understand correctly
[1:22:21]
, the wording that we've assigned
[1:22:23]
to these different groups and so on isn't
[1:22:27]
strong enough and instead of
[1:22:28]
saying, you know, could,
[1:22:30]
we should say should.
[1:22:33]
Is this what I understand? Do
[1:22:35]
I understand this correctly? Are
[1:22:39]
you asking me?
[1:22:40]
Yes.
[1:22:41]
Should it be? I don't think there is such a thing
[1:22:43]
as "should
[1:22:44]
be." I think there should be a
[1:22:46]
specific definition of who is
[1:22:48]
responsible. The city council should
[1:22:52]
always have the ability to say
[1:22:54]
“no” or approve
[1:22:55]
any action in the city.
[1:23:01]
All right. So you're saying we should
[1:23:03]
absolutely indicate who will be in
[1:23:05]
charge of this?
[1:23:07]
Correct.
[1:23:07]
And present recommendations to the
[1:23:09]
city council.
[1:23:10]
Yes.
[1:23:10]
All right.
[1:23:12]
Because right now, and I'll say this, we have
[1:23:14]
a lot of non-governmental organizations
[1:23:16]
that are driving our city plan.
[1:23:23]
Well, there are many things happening in our city
[1:23:25]
that
[1:23:26]
should not necessarily be inconsistent with our
[1:23:28]
governance principles. We should
[1:23:36]
reinstate more regulations to
[1:23:38]
ensure taxpayers understand what is
[1:23:40]
happening. If you can
[1:23:46]
understand that. And maybe I'm not making myself
[1:23:48]
clear, but that's okay. I
[1:23:50]
understand what you mean.
[1:23:51]
Ok thank you.
[1:23:54]
Carrie, Carrie, I actually think it would be
[1:23:56]
helpful to clarify what
[1:23:59]
you mean when you say that the
[1:24:01]
city plan was written as if it were being
[1:24:02]
created by NGOs
[1:24:04]
, because I don't think our
[1:24:05]
process was
[1:24:07]
NGO-centric. It was
[1:24:08]
largely focused on
[1:24:10]
public opinion.
[1:24:12]
So are there any areas in the plan itself that
[1:24:14]
you think are focused on
[1:24:15]
NGOs, or is it
[1:24:17]
just about their naming in the plan
[1:24:21]
? Could you clarify this?
[1:24:24]
Yes. I think the city plan was
[1:24:27]
centered around a lot of...Discover
[1:24:33]
Waterbury. And please take this, you know,
[1:24:36]
I love Discover Waterbury,
[1:24:38]
Revitalize Waterbury. I think
[1:24:41]
they have done a lot of amazing things for
[1:24:43]
our community. I think
[1:24:47]
Roger too. However, I think they have a
[1:24:51]
lot of freedom in creating
[1:24:53]
spatial development plans. And
[1:25:00]
they present their initiatives and goals
[1:25:03]
without the city knowing what is happening and without
[1:25:10]
its approval. So I think there's a missing
[1:25:13]
step in the process, and I think that's
[1:25:15]
very clear now
[1:25:17]
throughout our land use plan
[1:25:25]
All right. Do you have any other
[1:25:27]
questions?
[1:25:27]
No, I think it's clear.
[1:25:29]
But I have a question for you, Carrie.
[1:25:31]
If there are parts of this plan
[1:25:33]
where we have a goal or a strategy
[1:25:35]
that you believe, regardless of
[1:25:37]
who proposed it, I don't want to name
[1:25:39]
names, isn't that a
[1:25:40]
process where you say you think it's the
[1:25:42]
wrong strategy and
[1:25:44]
shouldn't be in the plan? Is
[1:25:47]
n't that what we do? This is the
[1:25:50]
time.
[1:25:51]
I think the plan is great, but I don't
[1:25:52]
think you should single out
[1:25:54]
one specific
[1:25:56]
NGO. I think they should
[1:25:58]
all be there. Instead of saying "
[1:26:01]
Discover Waterbury" and everything else, it
[1:26:03]
should be "all." Discover
[1:26:08]
Waterbury is amazing and we do
[1:26:10]
all these things with them. The city does
[1:26:13]
all these things to them, right? But
[1:26:16]
if we focus on Discover
[1:26:18]
Waterbury, what happens if they
[1:26:20]
fall apart? We are looking for an
[1:26:24]
urban plan that will outlive them.
[1:26:29]
Potentially. True? We look to the
[1:26:32]
future. I hope
[1:26:35]
they last forever, but it's our
[1:26:37]
city, not them. That's why I'm asking that
[1:26:42]
everything we do and include in the
[1:26:44]
urban plan not
[1:26:46]
only apply to Discover Waterbury. It applied to
[1:26:53]
every
[1:26:54]
arts-focused community organization that we support
[1:26:56]
as a city. Please remember this
[1:27:00]
. We support them as a city just as
[1:27:03]
they support us. But what happens
[1:27:06]
if something collapses,
[1:27:08]
right? We are still a city. And this is what
[1:27:11]
I would like to see
[1:27:13]
implemented in our
[1:27:15]
urban planning process. Well, it's something
[1:27:17]
I've learned in my
[1:27:19]
business experience that you never
[1:27:21]
put your name in
[1:27:22]
someone's email address. True? It's
[1:27:25]
info@something. As a city, we
[1:27:29]
should always do this.
[1:27:33]
Thank you. Thank you for your
[1:27:34]
involvement. Carried out. I think an
[1:27:38]
asset planning committee
[1:27:40]
that would help with this process
[1:27:41]
would be, you know, specific feedback
[1:27:43]
within the plan that we'll
[1:27:45]
try our best
[1:27:47]
to identify; our choice of words,
[1:27:49]
I think it crosses
[1:27:51]
the line a little bit where... But, you know, if
[1:27:53]
you noticed areas in the plan, you know,
[1:27:55]
specific strategies, goals,
[1:27:57]
reference documents that you think
[1:27:59]
we attribute to, you know, agency, resources
[1:28:01]
or authority of the organization, that
[1:28:02]
was certainly not intentional.
[1:28:05]
So I think that
[1:28:07]
level of detail in the
[1:28:08]
feedback will allow us to, you know,
[1:28:10]
address your
[1:28:12]
comment more effectively. So.
[1:28:13]
Great. Thank you very much.
[1:28:15]
Thank you.
[1:28:15]
Would
[1:28:17]
anyone in the audience like to
[1:28:19]
speak again, Curtis? Am
[1:28:22]
I too late?
[1:28:23]
NO. Not at all.
[1:28:24]
Yes. You have time.
[1:28:26]
You still have 25 minutes.
[1:28:28]
But only in 3-minute fragments.
[1:28:32]
Sorry, of course. So
[1:28:34]
far I am very strict. Okay
[1:28:35]
, sorry. Continue.
[1:28:37]
Good evening, Chairman Allen and
[1:28:39]
members of the Planning Commission. My name is
[1:28:41]
Myers Mermel and I am
[1:28:42]
the owner of Radio Vermont, whose
[1:28:45]
main station is WDEV. I'm here
[1:28:47]
with my co-owner,
[1:28:48]
Caroline MacLane, in the audience. Er,
[1:28:50]
my business partner. For 94 years,
[1:28:53]
Radio Vermont has proudly served Waterbury
[1:28:55]
and the communities of Central and
[1:28:57]
Northern Vermont, broadcasting
[1:28:59]
flood warnings, local
[1:29:01]
sporting events and
[1:29:02]
community forums. WDEV itself holds
[1:29:05]
daily town hall meetings across the
[1:29:08]
state. We serve more than 560,000
[1:29:11]
Vermont residents out of 630,000 in the
[1:29:14]
state. And we think it's a
[1:29:17]
very important public and also
[1:29:18]
moral imperative to maintain this
[1:29:20]
type of daily dialogue. Maintaining this
[1:29:23]
independent, local voice into the
[1:29:25]
future, however, requires prudent
[1:29:27]
management of our assets, including
[1:29:29]
our 44-acre parcel at
[1:29:31]
681 Blush Hill Road. We understand, Mr.
[1:29:33]
Chairman, that tonight,
[1:29:35]
um, we are talking about strategy, or
[1:29:36]
rather planning, and
[1:29:38]
land use planning is tactics. But, um,
[1:29:40]
if we're being too specific,
[1:29:42]
please forgive us. However, we want
[1:29:44]
to address three specific areas. Well, we
[1:29:46]
advocate for a sensible,
[1:29:49]
environmentally conscious approach in the 2026 zoning update
[1:29:53]
that directly addresses
[1:29:54]
Waterbury's
[1:29:55]
housing and environmental goals.
[1:29:57]
We have submitted formal correspondence
[1:29:59]
proposing specific changes to the
[1:30:00]
text in three areas.
[1:30:02]
First, as part of our first
[1:30:04]
land use goal, we urge the commission to
[1:30:05]
establish, as part of the second phase of
[1:30:06]
regulations, a
[1:30:08]
density ordinance based on
[1:30:09]
employee incentives on
[1:30:10]
lots of 40 acres or
[1:30:11]
larger. Waterbury needs 36
[1:30:12]
apartments a year, we've heard, and
[1:30:14]
the number of affordable units
[1:30:15]
is lagging behind. In large areas
[1:30:17]
outside the village, the standard 5-acre
[1:30:18]
zoning leads to
[1:30:20]
uncoordinated sprawl.
[1:30:21]
We propose significant
[1:30:23]
density bonuses for developments
[1:30:24]
within the development plan
[1:30:25]
that permanently protect
[1:30:27]
at least 60% of open or
[1:30:29]
currently used land, combined with an
[1:30:30]
additional commitment of 43
[1:30:32]
% of affordable or workforce housing to be
[1:30:35]
provided within or outside the
[1:30:36]
rural development areas. To
[1:30:38]
achieve compact development that
[1:30:39]
protects hillsides, this framework
[1:30:41]
should also allow for
[1:30:42]
flexible heights of up to four
[1:30:44]
stories for buildings sloped to the
[1:30:45]
topography below the tree canopy,
[1:30:48]
context-sensitive site slopes, shared
[1:30:50]
decentralised sewer systems where necessary,
[1:30:52]
and amenities for private
[1:30:53]
residents. Secondly, under the
[1:30:55]
third housing objective
[1:30:56]
, we propose flexible
[1:30:58]
infrastructure pathways to
[1:30:59]
expand the missing
[1:31:00]
medium-density housing onto large
[1:31:02]
rural plots. We strongly support
[1:31:03]
partnering with the city through a
[1:31:04]
state-based TIF or CHIP program to
[1:31:05]
expand the city’s
[1:31:07]
water and sewer system to
[1:31:08]
eligible
[1:31:09]
environmental developments, with private
[1:31:11]
developers expected to pay a
[1:31:12]
fair, proportionate share of the
[1:31:13]
costs of booster pumps and
[1:31:14]
line extensions. However, if
[1:31:16]
municipal expansion proves
[1:31:17]
infeasible or too costly,
[1:31:19]
landowners should have the
[1:31:21]
regulatory freedom to provide
[1:31:22]
their own solutions. Phase
[1:31:24]
two regulations should explicitly allow for
[1:31:26]
advanced, state-approved,
[1:31:27]
shared, decentralized
[1:31:29]
water and sewer systems so that
[1:31:30]
missing clusters in the middle can
[1:31:32]
function without burdening
[1:31:33]
municipal utilities.
[1:31:35]
Third, under Transportation Goal 6
[1:31:37]
, Strategy 6.2, we are asking
[1:31:39]
the City to establish clear
[1:31:40]
mitigation pathways for the intersection of
[1:31:42]
Blush Hill Road and Route 100. The draft
[1:31:44]
plan identifies this location as a
[1:31:46]
high-crash location.
[1:31:48]
Without the city’s active collaboration with
[1:31:50]
Vermont Trans and transparent
[1:31:52]
fair share fees, this designation
[1:31:54]
creates an unintended moratorium on
[1:31:56]
any future
[1:31:57]
land development proposals
[1:31:59]
under Act 250. These three updates
[1:32:01]
unlock private investment and the
[1:32:03]
state’s housing stock
[1:32:05]
while ensuring that 60% of
[1:32:07]
our pristine hillsides remain
[1:32:09]
permanently protected. Thank you for
[1:32:10]
your service to Waterbury and I
[1:32:12]
respectfully request that you place our
[1:32:14]
official letter, which
[1:32:15]
I presented to Monica, on the permanent
[1:32:17]
record of the hearing. Thank you.
[1:32:32]
Um, uh, my name is Alyssa Johnson.
[1:32:34]
I live in Waterbury. Sorry about the
[1:32:36]
poor lighting in the office. I wanted to
[1:32:38]
start by thanking the
[1:32:40]
planning commissioners and city staff for
[1:32:42]
all their work on this project.
[1:32:44]
I just checked the
[1:32:46]
website and in terms of scale,
[1:32:48]
for those who haven't been keeping track, it
[1:32:50]
looks like this is your 20th
[1:32:52]
meeting in 2026.
[1:32:54]
They usually last about 2, maybe 3 hours,
[1:32:56]
as I often hear. And that's before
[1:32:58]
any of you
[1:33:00]
planning commissioners edited the feedback survey
[1:33:02]
or designed our GIS data maps,
[1:33:04]
and I just want the
[1:33:05]
public to know how much work you
[1:33:07]
put into this and to say thank you. The second
[1:33:10]
question was whether there was a
[1:33:12]
preferred time for completing the
[1:33:13]
online form that would be
[1:33:15]
most helpful to all of you,
[1:33:17]
other than as soon as possible.
[1:33:21]
I will close the online form by the end of this
[1:33:23]
week, on Friday.
[1:33:26]
Thank you very much. Now I would like
[1:33:28]
to add that
[1:33:30]
I will conduct a full analysis before Friday. I am
[1:33:33]
surprised, and I have heard this in
[1:33:35]
some of the comments today, at how much of
[1:33:37]
this plan
[1:33:38]
reflects the possibility of
[1:33:40]
achieving all of the things described here
[1:33:42]
. I think there was a recognition that there was a
[1:33:45]
really good mix of
[1:33:47]
city staff and
[1:33:48]
partnerships with nonprofits and other
[1:33:50]
community partners. Hmm, I'll say
[1:33:55]
as someone who has been on
[1:33:57]
city council and involved in the
[1:33:58]
day-to-day running of
[1:34:00]
city government, and it can be difficult for those
[1:34:02]
individuals to talk about who's doing that
[1:34:04]
work and what resources are available
[1:34:06]
to support them. I don't know where this
[1:34:09]
should go. I don't know if this is
[1:34:12]
part of, you know, the first goal of
[1:34:14]
city government, but I'm seeing more and more
[1:34:16]
very intense communication
[1:34:18]
about monitoring complex
[1:34:20]
coordination between multiple entities.
[1:34:22]
I heard about
[1:34:24]
the desires for
[1:34:25]
reports tonight. Hmm, and apart from the question
[1:34:29]
of who does what, I wonder
[1:34:31]
where the prioritisation is and whether there
[1:34:32]
should be a strategy for assessing
[1:34:34]
potential, whether
[1:34:36]
it comes directly from the municipality or
[1:34:38]
elsewhere. So what next, this is a
[1:34:43]
total gaffe, but again, hearing about
[1:34:45]
who is responsible for this, I realize
[1:34:46]
again that maybe
[1:34:48]
it's not the planning commission's job,
[1:34:51]
but maybe a few lines could be added like
[1:34:53]
"this will be
[1:34:54]
reviewed annually by the city council to
[1:34:56]
inform planning" or
[1:34:58]
something like that, if that's the
[1:35:00]
intention of other bodies in the city. But
[1:35:03]
thank you all for the welcome.
[1:35:05]
Thank you, Leslie. Thank you. Well
[1:35:13]
, has anyone else in the audience
[1:35:14]
commented or wants a second round
[1:35:19]
? I'll
[1:35:24]
do a second round. All right. Here you go
[1:35:28]
. Well
[1:35:28]
, of course you know
[1:35:30]
I'm in the natural resources chapter
[1:35:32]
. Well,
[1:35:39]
I was just looking at the 2018 plan and it
[1:35:41]
includes several action points
[1:35:43]
related to road salt pollution
[1:35:44]
. With what?
[1:35:49]
Road salt contamination. Salt. Oh well. Well
[1:35:51]
, well,
[1:35:53]
this year during the legislative session,
[1:35:55]
bill S218 dealt with managing
[1:35:57]
road salt to prevent
[1:35:59]
pollution and was vetoed
[1:36:02]
by our governor. And so,
[1:36:06]
I think my question, maybe a little bit
[1:36:07]
related to what
[1:36:09]
Alyssa just said, is about
[1:36:11]
keeping track of what happened. Have
[1:36:14]
we done anything between 2018 and
[1:36:16]
2019 to understand what
[1:36:18]
actions we took? And have
[1:36:22]
we gotten to the point
[1:36:24]
where we don't even need to
[1:36:26]
mention it in the new plan? Because we
[1:36:30]
won't get much help
[1:36:31]
because the bill was vetoed.
[1:36:34]
So, if we want to think about
[1:36:35]
road salt pollution, it has to
[1:36:37]
be at some
[1:36:39]
urban level. Do
[1:36:41]
you think we should? I think we
[1:36:44]
should. Yes, I think so. I think we
[1:36:46]
should think about it. And
[1:36:52]
mainly because, you know, we have
[1:36:53]
people using private
[1:36:55]
wells along the larger roads,
[1:36:57]
our Route 100 corridor; and there's,
[1:36:59]
you know, the state's management of road salt
[1:37:00]
, which we might not
[1:37:02]
be able to say much about, but
[1:37:04]
at least we can, you know,
[1:37:06]
manage what we as a city
[1:37:07]
use. And there's something about, you know,
[1:37:15]
salt flats and I just don't know much about what
[1:37:17]
we do in Waterbury. So this
[1:37:22]
might be a learning moment for me as well,
[1:37:24]
in terms of, did we get through
[1:37:26]
this and now it
[1:37:28]
no longer exists?
[1:37:30]
This might be a question for Bill
[1:37:32]
Woodruff.
[1:37:33]
Yes. Yes. Definitely.
[1:37:35]
Because he's on it, he's on it.
[1:37:37]
Yes. Yes.
[1:37:39]
Uh.
[1:37:40]
That's a good point. Um, and I'm not saying
[1:37:43]
it has to be there. I think it
[1:37:45]
was more of a question, as I saw it
[1:37:47]
mentioned many times in the 2018 plan
[1:37:50]
. And the other thing, again, uh, during the
[1:37:54]
legislative session we had H727, the
[1:37:56]
big data center bill,
[1:37:59]
which was also vetoed
[1:38:01]
by our governor after
[1:38:02]
bipartisan support. And, uh, there's been
[1:38:10]
a lot of talk across Vermont about
[1:38:12]
municipalities needing to take local
[1:38:14]
action to prevent
[1:38:23]
data centers from coming in and using these
[1:38:25]
resources. And I'm not saying we'll
[1:38:28]
put them in the Rando box?
[1:38:30]
Yes. And I'm not saying that this will happen
[1:38:36]
, but the 2018 plan again
[1:38:38]
mentions the extraction of groundwater
[1:38:40]
for commercial purposes, which is also
[1:38:42]
not in the new plan. So just
[1:38:47]
the mention of it gives us the opportunity to
[1:38:49]
think about it in terms of
[1:38:50]
zoning regulations, if we
[1:38:52]
wanted to. So removing
[1:38:57]
that completely will make it harder for us in the next phase of the zoning
[1:39:01]
bylaw process
[1:39:03]
if we wanted to think about that
[1:39:08]
Thank you.
[1:39:09]
Silas, thank you. Uh, Silas, I know
[1:39:12]
road salt pollution
[1:39:14]
is close to my heart. It's almost embarrassing
[1:39:18]
to admit that we err, didn't
[1:39:19]
take that into account. Thank you for
[1:39:22]
raising this topic. Ugh, great
[1:39:24]
comments.
[1:39:27]
Second time? Correct.
[1:39:28]
All right. Um, I hear you
[1:39:32]
asking what the solutions are, and I
[1:39:34]
'm... I'm a mediator. You know,
[1:39:38]
I'm the scapegoat, the
[1:39:40]
middle-aged child, the black sheep, always
[1:39:42]
looking for peace. I was interviewing
[1:39:45]
for a job at Beth's when no
[1:39:47]
one was there and everything was
[1:39:49]
falling apart. And you know, I just want to
[1:39:52]
help. So when you talk about
[1:39:53]
solutions, I want you
[1:39:55]
all to think about it, and I have a
[1:39:57]
business card. I started a new company.
[1:39:59]
Well, I'm not sure where this is
[1:40:01]
going because I hate
[1:40:03]
AI just like everyone else. Well
[1:40:05]
, it is an essential entity that
[1:40:07]
turns our brains upside down,
[1:40:09]
just like Google did before.
[1:40:11]
So, I beg you all,
[1:40:13]
think of me as someone who is looking for
[1:40:15]
solutions when it comes to
[1:40:17]
raising new money.
[1:40:21]
We need new money, and we need
[1:40:23]
international or foreign money
[1:40:25]
, instead of taxing
[1:40:27]
everyone or creating these brilliant
[1:40:29]
ideas and then being burdened with how to
[1:40:31]
finance them. I am a person
[1:40:36]
who deliberately did not have children. Well
[1:40:38]
, two years after 9/11 I
[1:40:39]
moved here. Well,
[1:40:41]
I made a conscious decision
[1:40:43]
not to have children. I am 52 years old.
[1:40:46]
I love practicing, but to this day I
[1:40:48]
don't have any children, as far as I know.
[1:40:51]
So, I'm begging you all, I go
[1:40:53]
to city council and I attend
[1:40:55]
school board meetings and I don't have
[1:40:57]
children. All right. So, I implore
[1:41:03]
all of you to look at
[1:41:05]
this through the lens of the possibility of change and, well
[1:41:07]
, the possibility of not
[1:41:09]
necessarily seeing what's
[1:41:11]
out there, well, because
[1:41:12]
technology is evolving in ways that
[1:41:14]
none of us understand, and that's
[1:41:16]
fire meeting the
[1:41:18]
limbic brain, well, a thousand times over. Well
[1:41:24]
, here's my business card, Craft
[1:41:27]
Question Works, Carlton Anderson,
[1:41:29]
Veracity Quest. Just thank you.
[1:41:32]
all. All right.
[1:41:35]
I believe there are currently many
[1:41:36]
vacancies on various
[1:41:37]
boards and committees in the city?
[1:41:39]
I know I need a
[1:41:41]
job right now, okay?
[1:41:44]
And also, if you don't If you want to
[1:41:45]
give your time for free,
[1:41:47]
yes, we have plenty of
[1:41:49]
opportunities. Ugh, I love it. This
[1:41:53]
is my top hobby. Er, okay
[1:41:57]
Smiling and calling. I am
[1:41:59]
willing to smile and
[1:42:00]
call.
[1:42:02]
Er, okay. Do we have anyone
[1:42:04]
online? Okay. Um, is there anyone in
[1:42:09]
the room who hasn't spoken yet
[1:42:11]
or would like another round?
[1:42:17]
Dino, I just wanted to say that
[1:42:19]
uh,
[1:42:19]
you want to go to the chairman,
[1:42:21]
Chris?
[1:42:21]
Yes, can you hear me? You must
[1:42:23]
approach the chairman.
[1:42:24]
Yes.
[1:42:24]
You have to step up to the hot seat.
[1:42:26]
Yes. Just a quick comment. From what
[1:42:28]
I understand, I think the state's Act
[1:42:31]
250 is actually working on new
[1:42:33]
regulations regarding the provisions of
[1:42:35]
Act 250 as it relates to
[1:42:37]
forest fragmentation. I think
[1:42:39]
they're trying to control it a little more
[1:42:44]
. Um, just
[1:42:46]
all I wanted to throw in there,
[1:42:48]
um, because there were a lot of comments
[1:42:50]
about, you know, critical habitat
[1:42:53]
and our open
[1:42:54]
land landscape. I think over time, as the
[1:43:00]
city grows, if
[1:43:01]
that actually happens,
[1:43:03]
we're at an impasse. Right now we're at an
[1:43:09]
impasse because of the cost of everything,
[1:43:12]
but as time goes on, I think these
[1:43:13]
critical areas, our open
[1:43:15]
farmland, er, forest sections, will come under
[1:43:17]
increasing pressure to want to go into
[1:43:20]
them. So, you know, creating
[1:43:26]
some kind of specific plan to
[1:43:28]
really protect these areas, I think
[1:43:30]
is very important. Thank you.
[1:43:44]
Anyone online? Anyone in the room?
[1:43:47]
Nobody online. I
[1:43:50]
don't like switching back and
[1:43:51]
forth.
[1:43:52]
Make sure.
[1:43:53]
Secure our bases.
[1:43:57]
If no one else in the room wants to
[1:43:59]
speak, we can sit here
[1:44:02]
awkwardly for 10 minutes. We have never
[1:44:06]
ended a meeting
[1:44:08]
10 minutes early before. It's
[1:44:09]
actually very nice not to have to
[1:44:12]
meet.
[1:44:15]
I want to give those in the audience,
[1:44:17]
honestly, if you want to come up and
[1:44:19]
speak, we still have 10 minutes.
[1:44:22]
So, feel free to either
[1:44:25]
We also, if you haven't seen it,
[1:44:27]
we have paper on the table here if you'd
[1:44:29]
rather submit a written, handwritten
[1:44:31]
comment, or there's also an
[1:44:33]
online form.
[1:44:33]
Yes. Let it be
[1:44:35]
legible.
[1:44:37]
Yes.
[1:44:37]
Well, if it's in the online form,
[1:44:39]
Carrie has
[1:44:41]
We Have Carrie Online.
[1:44:43]
Carrie McMillan?
[1:44:45]
Uh hello. Can you hear me?
[1:44:47]
Mhm. Yes.
[1:44:48]
Great. I just wanted to say
[1:44:50]
thank you.
[1:44:52]
Thanks, Carrie. I appreciate it.
[1:44:54]
Um No, really. This is the
[1:44:58]
hardest thing you will
[1:45:00]
ever do. Um, you make
[1:45:07]
decisions and land and
[1:45:09]
policy decisions for our entire city.
[1:45:14]
So, as much as I press and
[1:45:16]
question, um, I want to say
[1:45:17]
thank you and I appreciate everything
[1:45:19]
you do. So.
[1:45:23]
Thanks, Carrie. And um just a
[1:45:25]
reminder that we're going to deal with the
[1:45:27]
statute now. I'll be
[1:45:32]
there. No, but yes. Because if you have
[1:45:37]
10 minutes to kill, I can
[1:45:39]
say thank you. You can
[1:45:45]
nominate me for another position on the
[1:45:47]
planning commission if you like. But
[1:45:50]
you know, I really appreciate everything
[1:45:52]
you do. And yes, it's difficult. And I appreciate it
[1:45:59]
all. So thank you. And I will
[1:46:01]
continue to motivate you. I hope
[1:46:05]
you appreciate it. Yes, I appreciate that.
[1:46:09]
It's part of the process and we need it
[1:46:11]
. So, I heard.
[1:46:17]
I started to appreciate it. What do you think about this?
[1:46:20]
Will you come and talk to us? Yes.
[1:46:22]
All right. Short. Great.
[1:46:24]
Okay, you have someone in the room. So
[1:46:26]
take it away.
[1:46:28]
Good night. Good night.
[1:46:33]
Yes. And you know, really, most of
[1:46:35]
my comments were submitted
[1:46:37]
through the recreation committee that
[1:46:39]
I participate in. I also want to
[1:46:43]
reiterate my sincere thanks
[1:46:45]
to this group. I appreciated
[1:46:47]
Alyssa's calculations that she made with the hours. I do
[1:46:50]
n't know, we're getting to 100 hours,
[1:46:51]
maybe just because of what
[1:46:53]
you've invested in it. So I'm
[1:46:56]
grateful for this, for the visually
[1:46:58]
pleasing, easy-to-navigate
[1:46:59]
information. Um, for the opportunities that
[1:47:03]
I think people have been given
[1:47:05]
to contribute. Um, signs,
[1:47:11]
radio ads, uh, I think
[1:47:13]
you just set a standard that
[1:47:15]
I hope others can replicate
[1:47:17]
in terms of encouraging, inviting,
[1:47:20]
enabling
[1:47:21]
public input. Um, finishing up here
[1:47:29]
tonight, I wanted to encourage and I
[1:47:31]
hope to see, uh, uh, on the Front
[1:47:33]
Porch Forum and on the website
[1:47:35]
so people can really easily
[1:47:37]
find some of the things that
[1:47:39]
you've talked about at different times. That
[1:47:45]
your next step is to
[1:47:47]
take feedback into account. Then
[1:47:49]
you send the project to the city council. They
[1:47:52]
then have 180 days to conduct
[1:47:54]
two hearings. And that these
[1:47:59]
hearings, if I understand correctly,
[1:48:01]
may result in additional changes,
[1:48:04]
corrections to the plan. I don't know if it's you or the
[1:48:09]
supervisory board that's concerned about this, but I'd like to understand it clearly
[1:48:11]
. Well, there is
[1:48:15]
one more thing. And oh, Friday. It
[1:48:24]
wasn't clear to me either.
[1:48:28]
I heard from one person that
[1:48:32]
comments will be accepted at midnight tonight. But now it's the end of the
[1:48:34]
week.
[1:48:35]
We have extended the deadline. We've gotten
[1:48:37]
a few calls asking for an
[1:48:38]
extension, so...
[1:48:39]
Yeah, that's great. I know I may have
[1:48:41]
missed it. Maybe it was on the website,
[1:48:43]
but I was looking for the term.
[1:48:45]
I hear a lot of people say, "I'm not
[1:48:47]
done with, you know, the
[1:48:49]
chapters yet." I think it's
[1:48:51]
great that people have
[1:48:53]
a few more days and Dana, and I appreciate your
[1:48:55]
posts on the Front Porch Forum so you
[1:48:56]
can say, "Guys, this is
[1:48:58]
where we are." So, if
[1:49:00]
you can do a few more of these,
[1:49:01]
I hope people will give you
[1:49:03]
some additional suggestions, but um,
[1:49:05]
I really appreciate everything
[1:49:07]
. I hope it didn't last
[1:49:09]
longer than 3 minutes.
[1:49:10]
I think you're in time.
[1:49:12]
Thank you.
[1:49:12]
Scott, I have 30 seconds left.
[1:49:15]
One more person.
[1:49:27]
Uh, anyone else?
[1:49:33]
No, I just want to say thank you.
[1:49:35]
Thank you. Uh,
[1:49:38]
okay, it's 7:58. I think we've
[1:49:42]
collected comments. So that was the end of the
[1:49:46]
interview.
[1:49:49]
All right.
[1:49:49]
I request that the hearing be closed.
[1:49:51]
Great.
[1:49:52]
I support this.
[1:49:54]
Uh, everyone who is in favor of
[1:49:56]
closing the hearing says:
[1:49:58]
Me. I.