[0:01] Thank you.

[15:00] Identified. It did have an exceedance also in 2016 and then won in 2023. But just like

[15:08] Google and Holo, it was variance from 2007 to 2016.

[15:14] For the get, the only difference

[15:16] with the sanitary survey was lack of sanitary facilities was noted. It was first monitored

[15:25] in 2010 and became variance two years later in 2012 and it was variance from 2012 to 2023

[15:33] when it had an exceedance in August of that year and it's been, for example, weekly since then.

[15:41] But, you know, despite just a couple of, you know, isolated exceedances at these beaches,

[15:46] the long-term data, the survey, all of that information, you know, it was from my first book.

[15:52] It is strong support for, you know,

[15:55] reinstating the variance status.

[15:57] You can go back to month this way.

[15:59] Yeah.

[16:00] And then just a closing slide with our links.

[16:05] We did put up, I'd like to shout it.

[16:07] We put up just at the beginning of August,

[16:10] a new interactive map on our beach website.

[16:13] So the state had an interactive map for all of Massachusetts

[16:17] beaches, but we actually have one on the County website

[16:19] for just part of the school county beaches now.

[16:21] and residents can click on, you know, the beaches that we monitor and actually see the most recent

[16:26] sample date, time, result and the current geometric mean, which was a very big accomplishment of ours.

[16:33] I think it's nice to have that like quick snapshot of, you know, where the beach is at.

[16:38] Is this not the include pawns?

[16:39] Yes.

[16:40] Okay.

[16:40] I can see it.

[16:41] Yeah, sorry, I could, but that's okay.

[16:44] Sorry, how long has that been up?

[16:45] Just since the beginning of August.

[16:48] So we'll see some publicity of it so people know that they actually like that especially prior to next season we'll have all of the data for next season.

[16:58] One of my staff actually helped me to get all of that together and up for the first time this year so that, yeah, it's a nice addition to the website.

[17:08] I'm a specific flexible county.

[17:09] And when you test the gut or something like that, that's like really affected by tidal exchange. Are you testing it at high chi?

[17:16] We try. Yeah, we try the sample. We kind of use like within two hours of high to hours

[17:24] before active. We try just because it's easier on a sampler to get all the samples collected.

[17:31] And I believe because that's when most people are going to be swimming, like actually in some

[17:36] inches, you know, those are good examples where the tag goes out so far that's like, are you really even

[17:41] at the beach.

[17:42] What if you are going at low tide?

[17:46] There's also just less dilution during the low tide system, so you get different results

[17:52] depending on where you're testing.

[17:55] If you think, Andy, we've actually done some data crunching with our numbers and there

[18:02] is actually a pretty, it seems to be there's a pretty weak correlation between exceedances

[18:06] at least and the tide.

[18:09] There's a strong relation between rainfall, but other than that, I mean, it's very unpredictable.

[18:18] We inadvertently noted in turbulent water, when it's rough, especially if there's a northwest wind, which is not typical, especially on the base side.

[18:29] It almost seems like that's stirring up sediment that might have been settled offshore, and we see elevated results usually after those types of weather events.

[18:36] but anyway we do try to sample closer to high tide just to get a better picture of when

[18:46] people are swimming and also just making easier on us because when we go at low tide it takes

[18:50] you know more than double the other time to get the samples anywhere at a higher tide.

[18:58] So I understand that you're asking you know to change the sampling from weekly to monthly

[19:03] and things seem good. For the ponds and the other beaches, how often do you do them weekly?

[19:09] Okay, yeah. We don't have any beaches with various, or any ponds with various status, all ponds

[19:16] are seen for a long, weekly basis. And then, you know, wire and, you know, white crest, etc.

[19:23] I just asked because who would follow is a very popular beach with, with young folks.

[19:29] Um, so I just wonder, um, yeah. No, no, no, but I just wonder why Kumamalo isn't on the

[19:40] same schedule as the other beaches. So the only reason, so actually all three of these beaches

[19:45] were the variants until they lost, um, so they switched over and now they're switching. Yeah,

[19:52] so they're based as soon as they're the next students. So for Kumamalo and Arbor, they both

[19:57] we'll apply an exceedance in 2016.

[20:00] As soon as there's a single exceedance,

[20:01] it immediately, with the experience expires,

[20:04] and we have to sample a week, forever,

[20:06] until we reapply.

[20:08] You have to answer it.

[20:09] So it's been about decades.

[20:11] Yeah.

[20:11] What do you think?

[20:12] Well, it's an allocation of resources,

[20:14] so I'm sure it didn't apply.

[20:15] Yeah, so I became coordinator in 2023,

[20:20] and you have to be a registered sanitary.

[20:23] I need to do the sanitary survey

[20:24] and submit this permanent public health.

[20:26] so I would be that whole process basically to do this because it's important. Yeah, I'm just

[20:36] interested in how many places your department goes. Over 350 is what we're sampling every week.

[20:44] Oh my god. And we only have 20 variants each, just four of which are in well fleet.

[20:55] I'm

[20:55] various beaches. It's as soon as we see an exceedance, then that variance is no longer

[21:01] good.

[21:04] Is it attributable to the amount of flushing in open water, do you think?

[21:09] Because in a low population, what do you mean, like the fact that we have various beaches

[21:18] in our water quality, we have to like the uppercase where there's more density and less

[21:24] kind of flushing? Yeah, I mean the turnover won't like especially at, you know,

[21:30] Newcombe, Whitecressette part that we're working with all of us. The turnover is so strong and the

[21:37] current is so strong. You know, a sample even taken a few minutes apart is likely going to have a

[21:43] very drastic difference unless there is, you know, a major weather event going on and there, you know,

[21:51] who knows. It's really so hard to fit what we're going to see. In other parts of the

[21:57] Cape, you know, we don't have any variances in, like, first of all, you're on that area,

[22:04] but, you know, Dennis, there can be, you know, we see more frequent, elevated results,

[22:12] especially well-fleet, tro, a lot of the beaches out here, even East Ham. I mean, we're

[22:18] seen less than 10 which is no growth at all consistently and a little bit of growth here

[22:23] in there occasionally but exceedances are pretty rare. I don't bother Hannah nearly as much

[22:32] as I bother a lot of the other town health agents because I think it is definitely attributable

[22:38] to lower population, even just less improved services near the beaches. There's a good barrier

[22:46] There are a lot of these beaches for filtration and runoff, it isn't as dominant of a factor

[22:54] because there aren't like, like in P-town you have, you know, flood rains, literally

[22:59] in the beach water.

[23:00] Yeah.

[23:00] And after rain events, you're getting pooh and poohs, left flaking up on the streets.

[23:06] So, you know, that's definitely helping you guys out a lot in terms of, yeah, beach water

[23:12] water.

[23:12] Okay.

[23:13] Well, I have support of this.

[23:15] so we need to make a motion. Okay, I make a motion to change the beach sampling from weekly to

[23:25] monthly for Kahoonhalla.carb and the gut. Second. I need to mention anything else.

[23:43] Variant

[23:43] using hand out that would be your signature or even if there's one for it usually.

[23:49] Okay, so let's let's take a roll call.

[23:52] And this.

[23:53] Okay.

[23:53] All right.

[23:57] Madam chair.

[23:58] Yeah.

[23:59] Let's see.

[24:00] Signed in the right place.

[24:02] Yeah.

[24:02] Approved.

[24:03] Check.

[24:05] Select one to be filled out.

[24:07] I am.

[24:07] Oh, that's.

[24:08] Mass.

[24:09] Okay.

[24:11] Is it short to me?

[24:12] What's the day today?

[24:14] 90.

[24:14] by 8, 9, 9, 8 INS 8 on 8, 8 On 8...

[24:17] No, 9, 8, 8 All right?

[24:17] 6 In this class of the three coaches,

[24:25] Manen, the senator,

[24:36] we go,

[24:36] OK,

[24:38] is there anything else to help

[24:42] me victim if you...

[24:44] Thank you here, yeah.

[24:45] Thanks, that was Owen from my update,

[24:48] We have a fellowCoSとか of22 today.

[24:51] My service in CC, be there, be square.

[24:54] The 22nd?

[24:55] Yeah, but we have just having lunch and soups

[24:57] and healthy snacks.

[24:58] I'm also making cookies.

[25:00] No.

[25:01] You can get your blood patch.

[25:03] I'm sure we have cookies.

[25:04] Talk with Chip, class.

[25:06] I'd like to one a couple of years ago, it's good.

[25:09] Now, when they go in density scans,

[25:11] they'll have high achieves and come and do.

[25:15] We'll also have sound ball and medication.

[25:17] And then also narcan fraying.

[25:19] I mean, a lot of, I never did a lot of, you've done it, and then you put them at the end of the day.

[25:26] I'd like to know how they get it.

[25:30] And then, what else?

[25:33] Oh, it's from 11.30 to 2.30 Tuesday.

[25:37] Do you need help with anything?

[25:38] If you want to be there and set up the table.

[25:41] Yeah, sure.

[25:41] Meet the people.

[25:42] The 22nd.

[25:43] With the table.

[25:44] That's what you'd say.

[25:46] Yeah.

[25:48] And then otherwise we've had over the summer I had four vibriotraise backs to restaurants

[25:54] or at least to check the restaurant for a tight and temperature abuse.

[25:57] Three of those cases were confirmed. One of them was bought off straight off a bit

[26:03] which wasn't great because I can't trace anything back with that.

[26:07] So do we know that it was

[26:11] temperature? So in the restaurants I went to I didn't see anything I checked all

[26:17] their fridges and walked through with them on the route the oyster goes. Everything

[26:23] shut to order nothing sets out. There's no display face or anything. So I didn't find

[26:29] any evidence and then we also had a ample factor which can also happen from

[26:32] contamination. So like our cross-contamination so like say chicken being

[26:37] the same areas in the oyster and the chicken on the oyster or from like veggies but there weren't

[26:43] any veggies or chicken stored near the oysters and the oysters that are served raw go straight to the raw

[26:49] part. So I don't I think they don't help me the results of their investigation who they think is

[26:56] at the lanes or whatever. They don't. Sometimes I find out from Nancy when I ask Nancy because sometimes

[27:03] look on back to the grants or something.

[27:05] If you ask DMF.

[27:08] It's actually the food protection division of DPH, and they contact masks DMF.

[27:16] For the trade sake.

[27:19] So yeah, they were sort of, well, it seemed like everybody in the area sort of had a lot.

[27:22] I know East Ham had a couple.

[27:25] P-towns had like five or six already.

[27:28] in a date to a specific like weeks ago.

[27:32] Oh yeah, this is why there is like sun, there is one in like around a little bit after

[27:40] the 4th of July, it comes like July, then there is August, there were a lot of August,

[27:47] it was like August 11th, I just had to date them, that person went to like two different

[27:52] restaurants so you can't.

[27:53] Some of them went to the, yeah, like three of them went to two different restaurants, the guy

[27:57] I read off the boat, probably forgot the boat but bought from the boat, probably not

[28:02] the boat, I guess.

[28:03] So an individual, not a restaurant, bought at the boat?

[28:06] Yeah, an individual which, to Wilfrey Harbor, somebody was selling oysters off of a boat,

[28:11] they bought up official oysters from the boat and then got Vibrio from that.

[28:16] And do you know who the, oh, we don't know the boat owner, they didn't get a name, they didn't

[28:20] see the color of the boat, they, I haven't called the nurse, call them, just like they

[28:25] I've never found those extras.

[28:27] Oh, they're likely.

[28:29] And the most people are not going to risk it someday.

[28:33] No, not the extra big.

[28:35] The show was, I don't know what power it was.

[28:38] It's like something fell off the term of drift.

[28:40] But I mean, it's just unfortunate because the folks

[28:43] that are doing this legit, they go through so much.

[28:47] Yeah.

[28:48] Timing and ice and yaddy-addy-addy-addy-addy.

[28:50] They do.

[28:54] And then everybody else ate like one more person weight, like five, like you were always

[28:58] going to fight it for us for all of a sudden, like a two-way stand. I was like, I don't

[29:01] know.

[29:01] Yeah.

[29:03] Okay.

[29:03] Oh man.

[29:04] Um, and then finally their glass house that was on the edge of the bluff, um, and they said

[29:10] that I could come by and just take a look over there and see what's going on.

[29:14] So, that's good.

[29:16] Any on?

[29:17] Any on?

[29:17] I went to one of them says that they're two of them already told me that they're already

[29:22] talking with people, one of those, they're going to move, they're going to either, they're

[29:26] taking it out.

[29:27] They don't have anywhere else to move.

[29:29] Do we, is there any way we can connect them with like the affordable housing trust and

[29:35] see?

[29:36] So I already talked to Anne.

[29:37] Anne's going to look into it to see if, like, I was just up to think, do you think sometimes

[29:45] Sometimes it's worthwhile and sometimes a guy has to move his head on to see how we might as well build new.

[29:52] So I just see him head out on the steps that old is a piece.

[30:03] Yeah, just depends on the condition of the house. Depends on that. Well, I think it's worth looking into, because there has been times in Tura, where they've been able to do that and move the house. And, you know, I think we should always ask, you know. Yeah, I mean, they have the land they felt to move it themselves. They had to do it with the amp'sler house that was over on the highway that they took down with. Bike trail was supposed to end. There was a house there, but it was like too many.

[30:29] additions and the building inspector went over and like had a look at it and then they

[30:35] had my quick layer come with the crane company and they just said that it's the cost of

[30:40] moving this and the it's not worth it. But it's looking into and see yeah all right so nice

[30:49] very proud of that in the hand and then you'll go check out the third one and just see what's up.

[30:53] Yeah see how close that's the set because we only have the power the sector came we don't

[30:58] really have any power and film they fall into the ocean.

[31:01] Do you have power as they're getting so, so, so close?

[31:05] So if anything gets exposed, like, for example, a building

[31:08] inspector can make it, can condemn it in foundation of exposed.

[31:13] Right.

[31:13] The foundation of the septic?

[31:15] No.

[31:16] Yeah.

[31:17] We have people like the septic becomes exposed,

[31:20] the Megan's they don't handle it, but we all like and say it's going to move it.

[31:22] You're ready to accept it.

[31:24] Yeah.

[31:24] And then, is it conservation commission to do anything with the, once the buildings

[31:31] condemned, then they are, they would file the NLI with the conversation commission to tear

[31:37] down and move the house.

[31:38] Okay, we never move.

[31:39] That's right.

[31:40] Yeah.

[31:40] So, working with Rachel and that.

[31:42] Hmm.

[31:44] Going on.

[31:45] But three.

[31:45] That's a lot.

[31:47] Yeah.

[31:47] I probably walked on the beach and looked up and you can see the old septic, the big cement

[31:52] and it's just like, and based on the GIS,

[31:55] those are like the most worrisome.

[31:56] They were like estimated between zero and 10 feet

[31:59] from like the housing.

[32:01] So, and most of the,

[32:03] the septic sort of aligns with the houses.

[32:05] On the side of the beach,

[32:06] they're pretty hard to get off the beach.

[32:07] Yeah, because they're kind of big.

[32:10] And access to the beach is hard.

[32:12] Yeah.

[32:13] And expensive.

[32:14] Yeah, if you have to get cranes,

[32:16] I use the hand, it's a lot.

[32:20] Well, thank you.

[32:22] anything else? Okay. Our next meeting is on October 7th. I make a motion to adjourn the meeting.

[32:31] So, I guess, can I be the I?

[32:35] Hi.

[32:36] We're done.

[32:37] Thank you.

[32:39] Thanks.

Board of Health 9-9-2026

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