[2:52] [laughter]

[2:55] » Well, we'd like to welcome everybody out

[2:56] to our planning commission meeting

[2:59] tonight. It's March 18th, 2026.

[3:05] Present is Lori Thomas,

[3:07] Commissioner Lori Thomas, Commissioner

[3:09] John Stout,

[3:11] Commissioner Severn Johnson, and Wayne

[3:13] Frandsen.

[3:19] Lori, would you offer an invocation, and

[3:21] John, would you lead us in the pledge?

[3:24] You bet.

[3:30] Father in heaven, we come before thee at

[3:32] the beginning of this planning

[3:34] commission meeting and ask thee to

[3:37] please be with us this evening. Please

[3:39] help us to make decisions that will be

[3:42] best for our city and to

[3:45] be [clears throat]

[3:45] open to ideas that will help the most

[3:49] people.

[3:50] We are grateful for our community and

[3:51] ask thee to please watch over it, and we

[3:55] say this in the name of thy son, Jesus

[3:57] Christ. Amen. Amen.

[4:04] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[4:07] United States of America,

[4:09] >> [clears throat]

[4:10] >> and to the republic for which it stands,

[4:13] one nation under God, indivisible, with

[4:17] liberty and justice for all.

[4:23] Thank you both.

[4:26] Any

[4:30] Anyone for public comment? No. We have

[4:34] no

[4:36] guests here tonight, and I don't see

[4:38] anybody in line or online that's uh

[4:42] want to make public comment, so we'll

[4:50] close our public comment period.

[4:55] Uh

[4:56] Item five on the agenda is approval of

[4:59] the February 25th,

[5:01] 2026 planning commission meeting

[5:04] minutes. I sent them out

[5:06] a couple weeks ago.

[5:08] Uh

[5:09] I didn't get any feedback. I got one

[5:11] from Severn. Uh he thought they looked

[5:13] fine.

[5:14] So, there were no changes that I made

[5:17] to them, so I'll entertain a motion.

[5:20] Someone else can make a motion to

[5:22] approve the minutes. I

[5:24] move that we approve the minutes of

[5:26] February 25th,

[5:28] 2026.

[5:30] Okay. Is there a second to that? I'll

[5:32] second it. All right.

[5:34] Motion is second.

[5:36] Um

[5:38] Motion made by Severn Johnson and the

[5:40] second by

[5:42] John Stout. All in favor? Aye.

[5:45] Any opposed?

[5:48] Okay. Thank you.

[5:52] The next item,

[5:54] let's let's put item six at the end

[5:58] of our agenda.

[5:59] Um

[6:01] We'll take item seven. It's an update on

[6:03] the city mailboxes.

[6:06] I sent I gave everybody a picture.

[6:10] Um this is

[6:12] an AI rendition, interestingly enough,

[6:16] but that's what we're going for.

[6:20] We've had a meeting this week with

[6:23] Three Bridges

[6:25] to talk to them about this, and they

[6:28] uh John was present there with me and

[6:31] the mayor and Ted.

[6:33] And we met with uh

[6:36] Ray and

[6:39] Brendan of Three Bridges.

[6:42] And so, we all came to an agreement that

[6:44] we were good with this to go forward

[6:47] and have um our architect do a concept

[6:51] of that,

[6:52] and then we will get some bids

[6:56] and see how the bids come in

[7:00] with uh

[7:02] with

[7:03] Three Bridges concern and and our

[7:06] interest in this one in keeping the cost

[7:09] as as um

[7:11] within reason. There's been no amount

[7:14] set for the cost, but we decided that we

[7:17] really needed to have a concept there

[7:19] before

[7:21] we could get a better idea of what it

[7:24] would cost to build it.

[7:27] So, in the meantime, I think I've

[7:29] mentioned to you that

[7:31] once once we tear down the the old

[7:34] facility there and they start working on

[7:37] the road and the roundabout,

[7:39] we're going to move temporary

[7:42] mail facility up here.

[7:44] We've got a container that we're going

[7:46] to be framing out in order to put the

[7:50] inserts in,

[7:52] and um

[7:54] there'll be enough inserts just for the

[7:57] cover the capacity now that's in our

[7:59] current mailboxes.

[8:01] So, um

[8:03] we anticipate that being in place maybe

[8:05] for

[8:06] hopefully two to three months.

[8:09] And then um

[8:11] those mailboxes will be moved then to

[8:14] the new facility. They'll all be

[8:17] na- na- names will be on them and

[8:18] everything, and so it will lessen the

[8:21] work that the postal

[8:22] uh

[8:23] people [clears throat] will have to do.

[8:25] But that's that's the plan. We'll have

[8:27] it right out here a little bit from from

[8:30] the door further to the west.

[8:33] Um be lights in it. You're open 24 hours

[8:36] a day.

[8:39] Um

[8:40] so,

[8:42] not ideal, but

[8:45] I think I think it'll work.

[8:47] Get to that point. I think it'll work.

[8:50] Any questions

[8:53] about that? Okay.

[8:55] That's where we're at there.

[8:57] Um

[8:59] Item eight is review of conditional use

[9:01] permit.

[9:03] Um

[9:12] Three Bridges is going to start an

[9:13] operation out here on this pile of dirt

[9:17] down there.

[9:18] Um in um

[9:22] running it through a

[9:24] call it a crusher, but it's it's

[9:27] basically a sizer.

[9:30] And then they'll be moving it off to

[9:35] into Salem area, and they'll start using

[9:37] that for their roads and whatever else

[9:40] they're going to use that

[9:42] for. We anticipated it

[9:47] doing that whole pile of dirt.

[9:50] And um

[9:52] we felt that we wanted to do it via a

[9:56] conditional use permit so that it had

[9:59] reviewed by the planning commission

[10:01] and that it will be reviewed will have a

[10:03] public hearing

[10:05] on it and then the city council

[10:09] will review it as

[10:11] conditional use permits are required.

[10:15] Um

[10:17] They may start before that whole process

[10:21] completes but with the understanding

[10:23] that if uh

[10:25] if the council denies it then they'll stop doing that.

[10:30] And there's a paper there that um

[10:34] is before you with a little just a

[10:41] little paragraph. Most of the

[10:43] conditional use permit pertains to a

[10:45] home

[10:46] um

[10:48] occupations.

[10:49] This

[10:50] I think it has to do with that.

[10:52] But this will be under a SWIP plan.

[10:55] They'll have to uh

[10:57] contain

[10:59] uh dust and um

[11:02] they're going to be transporting it

[11:04] further inward not out on the road.

[11:07] But everything that a SWIP plan

[11:10] would require they will be there will be

[11:12] inspections

[11:14] to make sure that those inspections are

[11:16] being done.

[11:18] And one of my one of my concerns is the

[11:20] dust.

[11:21] That they'll have a water truck there.

[11:24] And I understand some of these um

[11:27] crushers have uh

[11:30] water that goes through them too. So I

[11:33] don't know what kind they're going to

[11:34] get.

[11:35] It's up to them but uh it'll be it'll be

[11:38] monitored.

[11:40] So when we have a public hearing we'll

[11:43] take an official

[11:46] um

[11:49] uh

[11:50] approval on it that will then go to the

[11:54] city council. So next month?

[11:56] Well when whenever the the yes next

[12:01] we'll have a public hearing in

[12:04] April. Okay. on on that.

[12:08] Um and then as soon as we do then then

[12:11] it'll go to the

[12:13] council

[12:14] after that.

[12:16] You

[12:17] If any of you have concerns with any of that

[12:22] now that we can

[12:24] >> [clears throat]

[12:24] >> further address with them

[12:27] um

[12:29] talk to them about.

[12:33] I see that they are going to try and

[12:35] adjust the drug the dust. I'm sure noise

[12:38] will be a concern for the

[12:41] homes near the site. Yeah. Again it'll

[12:44] be a daytime operation and so it will

[12:48] there will be noise associated with it

[12:49] but they're going to as I understand it

[12:52] they're going to put the crusher on

[12:56] the other side of the pile to the east.

[12:59] So the pile at least initially will

[13:01] absorb some of that noise.

[13:04] Um [clears throat] till it gets gets

[13:06] down. So the residents will be happy to

[13:08] see the pile disappearing. Yeah and we

[13:12] do so I So on this map it'll be where that box

[13:16] is from the map. Yes that round circle

[13:18] generally speaking that's where the

[13:21] crushing operation will

[13:23] And that part on the both sides.

[13:25] Huh. Yeah.

[13:29] I bet we barely hear it.

[13:32] We're going to hear some but

[13:34] whether or not crushing big boulders.

[13:36] >> Yeah.

[13:38] It'll be quieter.

[13:40] They're just going to sieve sand. Peter

[13:42] right?

[13:42] >> And yeah sand and maybe road separate

[13:45] the gravel.

[13:47] So yeah.

[13:51] So that's the plan.

[13:53] So

[13:55] you know we'll go forward and get a

[13:57] public hearing

[13:58] scheduled. We have to advertise those

[14:01] two weeks in advance and

[14:03] so public hearing will be at our meeting

[14:06] in April

[14:07] for that and they'll take a vote

[14:10] on it

[14:11] and go from there.

[14:13] I'm excited to see them get moving

[14:14] again. It's been sitting quite a while.

[14:16] Yeah it has been.

[14:18] So the rest of that paperwork is just

[14:21] it's part of this SWIP plan

[14:24] that

[14:25] they have they're updating updating it

[14:28] and uh

[14:29] just a little bit more detail on the

[14:31] added that to their

[14:33] There's a

[14:34] They already

[14:35] >> index that they've got.

[14:37] They probably got SWIP plan state

[14:39] already. Yeah yeah. And so this is

[14:43] added to it now.

[14:45] This expands in our city. Exactly. Yeah.

[14:48] >> [clears throat]

[14:50] » Okay. Um So really they're not even

[14:54] doing it in within Hills.

[14:57] The rock crushing.

[14:58] >> It may be in Salem. Yeah. Yeah I It

[15:01] might be a little bit but not much. It

[15:03] kind of depends on where they put their

[15:05] set their operation up.

[15:07] >> [laughter]

[15:08] >> I And they'll run they're moving the

[15:09] stuff

[15:11] from Lemon Hills. Yeah.

[15:13] Yeah [clears throat] they're going

[15:14] to be operating back and forth.

[15:20] Um

[15:25] This one picture

[15:28] I will talk about it as we go through

[15:30] the general plan.

[15:32] Any any questions about any of this

[15:34] other?

[15:36] I'm on this annex section.

[15:39] Um That's number

[15:40] >> Thank you. No it's not. And I want it's

[15:43] That's number part of number nine.

[15:46] Um

[15:49] And that's another thing that we'll have

[15:51] this public hearing on it too.

[15:54] That is Summer Creek.

[15:56] is getting ready to move

[15:59] down the road from um

[16:01] Eagle Nest and finish that road come

[16:05] around

[16:06] and this piece of property then

[16:10] as you can see it's a it's part of that.

[16:15] They own Pantera owns the whole property

[16:18] in red but they're only going to annex a

[16:22] little triangle of it that I colored in black.

[16:27] Um it's on a

[16:30] the the west of that is a steep hillside

[16:34] down to Loafer Road.

[16:36] And uh

[16:37] the discussions these are discussions

[16:39] that Bucky has had with Elkridge. They

[16:43] seem amenable

[16:45] to

[16:46] um

[16:48] letting us annex

[16:52] uh the triangle part but

[16:57] the [clears throat] other side of that

[16:58] they want to control. It's a steep hill

[17:00] there and they want to be able to

[17:02] control the runoff and address that if

[17:05] it's needed. So they want to keep that

[17:08] in their city

[17:10] uh but the the part on the on the east

[17:13] side they're interested in annexing.

[17:16] We haven't talked to them about it yet.

[17:19] We will. Um

[17:21] Bucky has been the one who's been

[17:23] visiting with them on it. talking to

[17:25] them about it.

[17:27] But according to Bucky they

[17:29] seem amenable

[17:31] letting letting that part. And and

[17:33] that's

[17:34] that will give Summer Creek a few more

[17:36] lots in there as well in their design.

[17:41] When they first put the project together

[17:43] to us

[17:44] they didn't realize that was in

[17:47] Elkridge.

[17:49] And so they had to take out part of the change the road design and

[17:55] take out the lots that they were

[17:57] planning

[17:58] on that but they're getting ready now to move forward with that so

[18:02] their their idea is they'll restore that

[18:05] what they took away and make this part

[18:08] of their next uh

[18:09] project area. Probably we'll get a new um

[18:16] uh

[18:16] >> [clears throat]

[18:17] >> phase final plat sometime in the summer

[18:20] for the rest of that.

[18:23] So none of the

[18:24] green slash area

[18:26] we're not really talking about that. No

[18:29] correct. It's just has to And that's not

[18:31] is that the Salem

[18:32] >> It's it it it

[18:36] could be it's something we need to think

[18:38] about and um I don't know

[18:42] how it's part of Elkridge. I don't know

[18:45] how they

[18:46] feel about it so we'll have to

[18:49] discuss with them further.

[18:51] And there's another area up at the top

[18:53] there it's in

[18:55] red it's it's in Salem. It's in the

[18:58] middle of the land. So that's another

[19:00] area All these

[19:02] areas that are currently county?

[19:05] Not these areas. Uh

[19:08] I mean where But there is some county

[19:11] Just that one

[19:12] >> area

[19:13] up there. I don't live on one side or

[19:15] the other of that red hash mark. Okay.

[19:19] And there's some county property there

[19:20] and we haven't approached them either.

[19:23] Of um

[19:25] We did talk

[19:27] quite a long time ago I'm told somebody

[19:30] did talk to the Popes

[19:32] about annexing and they're that big

[19:35] house across the street from the church.

[19:37] Yeah. And they weren't interested at the

[19:39] time. [clears throat] That's county

[19:41] property. So it's county. Okay. They're

[19:43] in that overlap area aren't they? I

[19:46] Probably. I don't know if that's the

[19:47] overlap or one side I think they're in

[19:49] that

[19:52] area and

[19:54] They may be a little bit to the west.

[19:56] What do you mean overlap? Like it's in

[19:58] Salem and Woodland Hills or

[20:02] I don't know what that means.

[20:04] Um

[20:05] Is it me that we both want it?

[20:08] >> [laughter]

[20:09] >> And our house is in the county. Part of

[20:11] it is Salem already and part of it is

[20:12] county. I think that's the overlap.

[20:16] Oh, is that what it is? Yeah.

[20:18] So, we don't have That's not in our

[20:20] city.

[20:21] >> in in our right now. None of that's in

[20:23] our city. The The two jutting outs are

[20:27] that go north, but not that area.

[20:30] Yeah.

[20:32] So.

[20:35] Thanks for mentioning that. Thank you

[20:37] that.

[20:39] I mean, this is the same map that

[20:42] sent to the general plan.

[20:44] >> It is and this is going to change This is going to be substituted cuz he

[20:48] overlooked

[20:49] that little area there that that were

[20:52] that now Summer Creek wants to change. And I

[20:58] >> [clears throat]

[20:58] >> That's why I was looking at this today.

[21:00] I thought

[21:01] you know, you really ought to show

[21:04] what's county.

[21:08] He's showing Elkridge. He's showing

[21:10] Salem. He's showing Woodland Hills.

[21:13] But, he doesn't show what parts are

[21:15] county.

[21:17] Cuz some of that's county.

[21:20] That's a good point.

[21:21] Bring that up when we get to that part.

[21:23] I think that that's a good observation and and it would be

[21:27] helpful to have that

[21:29] on this map.

[21:31] Yeah, cuz I think that isn't Pope's and

[21:33] the one next to it and the one next to

[21:35] it all in county?

[21:37] It says Elkridge. That was No. Going to

[21:39] the west. home and everything to the

[21:42] west

[21:43] up almost to the corner is in the

[21:45] county, I thought.

[21:47] It It says on the county map Salem

[21:49] district

[21:51] for them.

[21:52] All the way to the road to Pope's home?

[21:55] Pope's over. Like the on the other side

[21:57] of Pope's it says Salem. But, does that

[21:59] mean it's in the Salem city?

[22:02] What is that? Is that county? Salem

[22:05] district? I don't think so. It'd be Utah

[22:07] County district, but I don't know. But,

[22:10] that that's

[22:11] >> Unless it's out of date.

[22:13] clarified and whoever was putting it on

[22:15] the map. I mean, we know that little

[22:17] piece in there that's

[22:19] Justin Wilson's. It's still county.

[22:22] Yeah, that's right.

[22:24] Since Woodland Hills annexed

[22:26] that down at 11200 she didn't tell me to

[22:29] do that. Yeah, that's right.

[22:30] [clears throat]

[22:31] And it's Okay, that's fine. I didn't see

[22:33] that right and the one behind Hyatt and

[22:35] then but she's still out of it. Yeah.

[22:39] Hyatt's in the guy that Woodland Hills

[22:43] Who did it start?

[22:45] They in the [clears throat] last few

[22:46] months.

[22:48] I think he's the one that's building the

[22:49] Hyatt's. There is another piece down

[22:52] there.

[22:54] Uh

[22:59] Who His name won't come to me. He used

[23:00] to be on high council.

[23:02] They They said builder and over him down

[23:04] in Africa

[23:05] building temples. Oh, Hyatt? Not Hyatt.

[23:09] There There's There's another one.

[23:10] Starts with an H.

[23:12] Do you Do you remember Where are they

[23:13] at? They're They have They're building

[23:15] down there now behind It's a little bit

[23:18] further to the north. Oh, that's Houton.

[23:20] No. Yeah, that's Kyle's new house. Yeah.

[23:23] Is he going to be in county or is he

[23:24] >> He's in county. I think he's No, he's in

[23:26] Salem. He's in Salem. Elkridge? Is he in

[23:29] Salem? That's Elkridge. Well, that is

[23:31] new home.

[23:32] I think his new home His new new home is

[23:34] in Elkridge. And his house is further to

[23:37] the south. It's directly It's that way

[23:39] of the church. It's west It's north of

[23:41] the church. There's a Kyle Houton that

[23:43] is

[23:44] east of Pope's. Right. He's still in his

[23:47] other house. Oh, it's east of Pope's.

[23:50] Salem. And that's It says Salem. It

[23:52] doesn't say Salem district. It says

[23:53] Salem. Well, I mean, your new house may

[23:55] be in Salem. I don't know where the new

[23:57] house is. That's But, he's being It's

[23:59] across from the street. It's just It's

[24:01] just been framed and

[24:02] locked out.

[24:04] Well, it's just been framed. I thought

[24:06] he He already moved. So, he's next door

[24:08] to Lee's and He might have He might have

[24:10] moved into his rental.

[24:12] Okay. Cuz he's gone from the He's gone

[24:15] from the ward. Yeah, and high council,

[24:17] right? Yeah. Yeah, okay. That's why I

[24:20] thought he was [clears throat] already

[24:22] in it.

[24:23] But, it's just on the other side of

[24:27] Gulf of Canyon. Yeah, if you're to come

[24:28] out of the furthest

[24:31] entrance from in the church

[24:33] the mailboxes

[24:35] and go across road, his is kind of right

[24:37] behind there down in that

[24:39] >> [clears throat]

[24:39] >> just east of Pope's. Isn't it up

[24:43] Yeah. Yeah.

[24:44] I don't know where Pope's is so Pope's

[24:46] is that big home that you see as you

[24:47] come down the road. It's almost at the

[24:49] end of Summer Creek going down there.

[24:51] It's directly across from the church.

[24:53] Summer Creek. Yeah,

[24:55] >> [clears throat]

[24:55] >> in that It's in that piece between

[25:01] Woodland Hills and the Salem overlapping area. That's Pope's. Yeah, Yeah, okay.

[25:09] » [clears throat]

[25:09] >> So.

[25:12] Okay, well, let's uh

[25:15] get to the

[25:17] review of the general plan.

[25:20] >> [clears throat]

[25:35] » Going through this, I don't have

[25:39] very many changes and I felt it was

[25:41] really repetitive.

[25:44] I don't know how many times it says the

[25:47] same thing over again about

[25:50] Woodland Hills people had chosen to have

[25:53] I I too don't have a lot of changes.

[25:56] Like

[25:57] All right. And where are we starting? Uh

[25:59] seven. That's what I thought. Seven,

[26:01] eight, nine, and 10.

[26:03] I just wish that this thing had been

[26:07] I don't know. I I keep looking at this

[26:09] and I keep reading that stupid survey.

[26:11] Mhm.

[26:12] And I just cracks me up. I I'm very

[26:16] disappointed in the survey. It did I

[26:18] just don't think that we got really got

[26:20] a full picture

[26:22] on this thing.

[26:24] But, I think that they have kind of

[26:25] covered it. I think the general plan is

[26:27] good, but you're right. Some of these

[26:29] things it's like this little I mean, the

[26:30] survey

[26:31] Basically, the sampling was like what?

[26:34] 15%? If that.

[26:37] Yeah. If that.

[26:39] Yeah.

[26:40] And what's up with a hamster people even

[26:43] putting input into it? It's like, man.

[26:47] Yeah.

[26:48] I'm not a statistician, but

[26:52] You're the expert. How do you Is that a

[26:55] statistically valid sample?

[26:59] >> [laughter]

[27:00] >> 200 out of what? 1,700 population?

[27:05] It would have been good to have more.

[27:07] But, I think we tried.

[27:10] It was up for a long time. It It really

[27:12] was. The reason why people did not

[27:15] respond is because they are happy with

[27:17] the status quo

[27:19] and would like it to stay that way and

[27:21] don't feel the need to voice their

[27:22] opinion. You know, it's the the few

[27:25] people that want to make a change are

[27:26] the ones who

[27:28] do the survey and I think you got to

[27:29] take that into consideration when you

[27:30] look at the results.

[27:31] >> Yeah, yeah. Okay. I agree. I think

[27:33] they're exactly right. I think there's

[27:35] something to that. Yeah.

[27:37] And we don't know if it was I mean, we

[27:40] I can't remember if Did they say

[27:42] just one per household or just every any

[27:44] adult who wanted to do it? Any adult,

[27:47] yeah. So, we don't know what, you know,

[27:50] Yeah. husband and wife are the same

[27:52] Yeah. mind and answering the same way.

[27:54] In my house, I didn't know it had

[27:55] happened, but Kathy did. Oh. She saw it.

[27:59] She says, I'm going Did she do it? No,

[28:00] she didn't do it. She saw it. But, she

[28:02] saw it. She's like, I don't do that.

[28:04] Everything's fine. I'm happy with it.

[28:06] It's fine. It is. Keep it the same. My

[28:08] husband will take care of what I do.

[28:10] >> [laughter]

[28:11] >> I don't think he was thinking He's on

[28:12] the planning commission.

[28:14] I'm just getting him off the stand.

[28:17] >> [laughter]

[28:18] >> I promise.

[28:22] Um okay. On the first page there,

[28:25] down at the bottom of the last paragraph

[28:29] under existing conditions

[28:31] uh third line up, I changed low density

[28:34] to medium density.

[28:36] So, that would read uh

[28:39] the city on three sides restricting

[28:42] population growth and limiting

[28:44] commercial activity. Woodland Hills

[28:46] residents have chosen to focus on single

[28:48] family medium density.

[28:51] Is that's the R119 is a medium density

[28:54] zone.

[28:55] And I think that's probably

[28:58] the way we're going.

[29:02] If not even

[29:04] higher than that given given time. So,

[29:07] um I mean, we look at

[29:11] the things that we've had come before

[29:13] us.

[29:15] It's all adding up to R119. It is.

[29:18] Yeah. Well, that's right. When that

[29:19] first paragraph It's taking an R2 and

[29:21] making it

[29:23] two R119s.

[29:25] Yeah. We've been doing that for a couple

[29:27] years. Yeah.

[29:29] I thought that it where it says in that

[29:30] first paragraph it says Woodland Hills

[29:33] plans to support a limited

[29:35] community-based economy.

[29:38] I thought it should say controlled.

[29:41] Support a controlled community-based

[29:44] economy?

[29:45] >> Yeah.

[29:46] Just something that it's more

[29:48] because it's going to happen.

[29:51] But we want to be able to control what

[29:52] goes where and it's not just necessarily

[29:55] a no, it's

[29:57] going to be considered.

[29:58] >> Yeah, no, I don't I think that makes

[30:00] sense. Consideration.

[30:01] >> Yeah.

[30:04] Are there any others? That's fine. Okay.

[30:06] Cuz it says the same thing in every

[30:08] other paragraph. Yeah.

[30:10] >> [laughter]

[30:11] >> Any other changes on the

[30:13] first page? No.

[30:16] Okay.

[30:18] Uh second page, 74.

[30:22] Um

[30:24] under vision and opportunity paragraph

[30:28] at the very end of that paragraph I

[30:30] thought that these activities provide

[30:33] supplemental income increase

[30:36] supplemental income {comma} increase

[30:38] economic resilience and contribute to

[30:42] the local economy. I I added that

[30:46] surrounds the city.

[30:48] We don't have any

[30:50] really local economy in our city

[30:53] per se, but Salem and Spanish

[30:56] so I thought that surrounds the city

[31:00] be

[31:01] more [clears throat]

[31:03] more correct thing.

[31:05] Any thoughts on that? Everybody okay

[31:08] with that? Yeah.

[31:09] I I think that's good idea. Okay.

[31:13] Um

[31:16] I had a couple [clears throat] changes

[31:18] minor changes on the next page. Did any

[31:20] of you either any of you On that on page 74 at the bottom Okay.

[31:27] of vision and opportunities where it

[31:28] says the city recognizes the value of

[31:30] celebrating local entrepreneurship

[31:33] I wrote I hate this.

[31:35] I don't think they do.

[31:37] Well, we I

[31:39] this just seems so hokey to me. Reminds

[31:42] me of this little restaurant in Payson

[31:43] where people stick their business card

[31:45] on the bulletin board

[31:47] to support local and we don't do this

[31:49] and I don't think we should say that

[31:51] we're going to or try and get a

[31:53] committee to

[31:55] go around and submit you know, get

[31:58] people to

[32:00] tell us their little business. I don't

[32:02] know. I think maybe celebrating is a

[32:04] little

[32:05] too strong.

[32:07] Yeah. I I don't like the idea.

[32:09] >> taking out that sentence?

[32:11] >> I don't like the voluntarily publishing

[32:13] a list of home-based businesses. Oh,

[32:15] okay okay.

[32:16] >> I I just think yeah, we you know, I I

[32:19] think it's great, but as far as

[32:21] collecting these and keeping it updated

[32:24] and Nobody's going to do that. And

[32:26] should we should we

[32:27] >> going to have to do it. Yeah.

[32:29] >> [laughter]

[32:31] [clears throat]

[32:35] » Is there is there value in that? Is that

[32:38] something that we ought to be doing? I

[32:40] as I read through that I thought

[32:43] you know, how how about a listing of businesses in the city

[32:49] that people

[32:51] you know, there may not be a lot, but

[32:53] home businesses. So who would

[32:56] compile that listing though?

[32:58] >> I don't know. If you go on Facebook or

[33:00] Yeah, I know like when you scroll over

[33:01] Google Maps if you have your business

[33:05] licensed it shows up on Google Maps at

[33:08] people's homes.

[33:09] >> reminded me I have to write this up.

[33:12] >> [laughter]

[33:13] >> Could it be a yearly newsletter? I mean just

[33:18] Those businesses, those home-based

[33:20] businesses that have to get a business

[33:23] license from the city

[33:25] you've got the information. True. Right?

[33:27] Yeah.

[33:28] So it's a matter of putting that

[33:31] on this on the website on the city's

[33:34] website.

[33:34] >> Do we put a list of all the These are

[33:37] current

[33:38] licensed businesses in Woodland Hills

[33:40] for your information. And then it would

[33:42] have to be updated monthly unless we

[33:44] switched to a once a year

[33:47] license renewal. We do we we there were

[33:49] trying to do that's what we're trying to

[33:50] do

[33:51] on January.

[33:53] The new

[33:54] renew the licenses in January for the

[33:57] coming year. I don't think that

[33:58] happened.

[34:00] But it would be

[34:01] >> but that maybe is that something that we

[34:03] want to promote more for our local

[34:06] businesses? Cuz I see on Facebook

[34:08] anybody know of da da da da da, you

[34:10] know, and if there was a page for them

[34:13] to go to, you know, tree trimmer

[34:16] handyman or something like that on our

[34:19] webpage.

[34:20] Or they could put ads in the newsletter.

[34:24] I don't know. I I just hate to see the

[34:26] city responsible for promoting this

[34:29] rather than the people being able to put

[34:31] their sign at the mailboxes or put their

[34:33] advertisement on Facebook or put an ad

[34:36] in the What if you charged them two

[34:38] bucks to put an ad in it in the

[34:39] newsletter?

[34:41] Just so it's another page and it's a

[34:43] half a page and they can

[34:44] >> [clears throat]

[34:45] >> put their services in there. That would

[34:47] be a

[34:47] good promotion for them.

[34:50] Maybe we should ask Janet about it.

[34:55] I know.

[34:56] I like that. I think

[34:57] if it was me I would if I wanted to do

[34:59] this one that'd be a good spot to put

[35:01] it.

[35:02] I like to provide opportunities, but I

[35:04] don't want to create a job for someone

[35:06] to be contacting people and updating up.

[35:10] Well, and that's why I say if we just

[35:13] piggyback on

[35:15] the license it's there.

[35:17] Yeah. Nobody has to reach out.

[35:20] All you do is just publish the license

[35:23] publish the list of who has the

[35:26] home-based business. Right.

[35:28] That's true. But it's not all of them

[35:30] because well, there was a threshold

[35:33] like a thousand dollars a month income

[35:35] or something. I can't remember what it

[35:37] was.

[35:39] And if [clears throat] if it's something

[35:40] under a certain amount because I had

[35:43] doors look at it.

[35:45] She has

[35:47] what we call both of the little books

[35:49] Mhm. that she sells online.

[35:53] And so I said you need to go down and go

[35:55] talk to Jody and see if we need to have

[35:58] a business license.

[36:00] And she said I talked to Jody and we

[36:01] don't meet the threshold. Huh. I think

[36:04] it's 700. We don't have to have a

[36:05] business license.

[36:07] I don't know. Or something. Huh.

[36:09] Mhm. I can't [clears throat] remember

[36:10] what Cuz they told my daughter Tia the

[36:12] same thing for aesthetician cuz I said

[36:14] she has a state license.

[36:17] And they told her that she didn't need a

[36:19] business license.

[36:19] >> Well, that's if you've got a state

[36:21] license that's true.

[36:23] But I didn't know we had a threshold.

[36:25] >> Yeah, I've never seen that on the

[36:27] application.

[36:28] >> we've identified, you know, kids selling

[36:30] lemonade they don't need a license to do

[36:32] that.

[36:33] Those sorts of things, but I didn't know

[36:35] that there was a

[36:36] threshold, but we

[36:38] What is the license? $25? It's not very

[36:40] much. Business license. Yeah.

[36:44] >> Yeah.

[36:46] So but that that'd be worth it for just

[36:48] some free advertising there.

[36:50] But that we we need to maybe look at

[36:53] that and see what we can

[36:55] promote a little more.

[36:57] Um

[37:07] Lori, can you tomorrow

[37:10] come up with with some wording

[37:12] there probably

[37:14] to substitute

[37:16] and and then we'll we'll see if if goals

[37:19] are covered there at the at the end.

[37:22] >> Okay.

[37:22] >> Do so to at least pursue it Okay.

[37:26] now and see what Yeah. what may come of

[37:29] that. Okay. In that section.

[37:35] Um

[37:38] Tell me on the

[37:40] Yeah, on page 75 under supporting local

[37:43] festivals and events

[37:45] um

[37:47] the second sentence

[37:49] it starts out with while

[37:52] Woodland Hills does not currently have

[37:54] traditional commercial I just put

[37:57] Woodland Hills does not currently have

[37:59] traditional commercial and local

[38:02] or retail local events

[38:05] um

[38:08] that generate value by drawing visitors.

[38:12] Um

[38:15] I guess leaving it a little

[38:17] positive than

[38:21] while we do this we don't have that.

[38:22] Mhm.

[38:24] I like that. Um

[38:26] And then on the on the next paragraph

[38:31] uh

[38:36] It starts this event provides space for

[38:39] local vendors

[38:40] to showcase and sell our arts, crafts,

[38:42] and food.

[38:44] And meanwhile Maple Fest

[38:48] {comma} an official city sponsored

[38:51] event.

[38:52] So it is an official it's it's not it's

[38:56] city sponsored. It is. It is city

[38:58] sponsored? Yeah, last year was the first

[39:00] year it was. Oh, really? I didn't think

[39:01] it was, but

[39:02] So I changed that Okay.

[39:06] So it is city sponsored.

[39:10] Um

[39:12] And then under the next paragraph down

[39:14] under envisioning potential commercial

[39:16] growth

[39:18] the last sentence I changed

[39:22] to read this area located along 1200

[39:24] 11200 South

[39:26] between the roundabouts and Summit Creek

[39:30] Drive.

[39:31] So there's there's no roundabout on the

[39:33] other end. Yeah,

[39:35] and

[39:35] where's the problem? So There's only

[39:37] one. Yeah, roundabout.

[39:39] >> So just the roundabout between the

[39:41] roundabout and Summit Creek Drive. Okay.

[39:44] That's our That's our city boundary.

[39:47] Maybe in the future there'll be a

[39:48] roundabout. Actually, it goes down to

[39:51] North Fork Canyon. Oh, it does with the

[39:54] higher

[39:55] properties, doesn't it?

[39:56] Yeah. It goes over to there, but there's

[39:58] no roundabout. No. No, there's no

[40:00] roundabout. It's just one roundabout.

[40:04] Although the development opportunity

[40:06] would kind of end at Summit Creek Drive.

[40:08] >> Yeah, cuz there's a home there. Yeah.

[40:11] Well, Hayes got all that ground there.

[40:12] Yeah. It could be developed land.

[40:14] >> Yeah.

[40:15] So, would you just change it to

[40:16] roundabout and is What's that called?

[40:18] Loafer? Loafer South Loafer Drive?

[40:21] >> Loafer Canyon.

[40:22] >> Canyon Drive?

[40:24] South Loafer Canyon. We'll have to find

[40:26] the Change it to that name.

[40:29] Okay. You good with that, then?

[40:35] Okay. Next page.

[40:43] Under public opinion,

[40:46] uh

[40:47] I changed that first sentence. I took

[40:50] out potential.

[40:52] But residents are split on whether to

[40:54] bring commercial development into the

[40:57] scratch potential into the new growth

[41:00] area along or near 11200.

[41:04] Yeah, I like that. Mhm.

[41:08] Then at the end of that paragraph I put

[41:11] I put developers instead of

[41:17] Now, what did I put in instead of

[41:19] Council to consider when discussing with

[41:21] prospective

[41:22] You know, it should You just have

[41:23] develop

[41:25] It says this is It says developers, but

[41:27] it should be development.

[41:29] Prospective developments, yeah.

[41:39] You good with that? Mhm.

[41:41] Yep.

[41:42] Okay.

[41:42] >> [clears throat]

[41:43] >> Anything else on that page?

[41:46] Okay. Next page 77.

[41:53] He He uses commercial by itself, and I

[41:55] don't think [clears throat] it sounds

[41:59] good. The very last paragraph on that

[42:01] first column

[42:02] said, "While limited commercial within a

[42:06] And I put within limited commercial

[42:09] development

[42:10] within a walkable mixed-use area, not

[42:14] environment."

[42:18] » [snorts]

[42:18] >> So, I inserted development after between

[42:20] commercial and within,

[42:22] and then I scratched environment and

[42:24] made it area.

[42:26] Mixed-use area.

[42:29] And it do have a support.

[42:35] You Everybody good with that?

[42:38] Yeah. Again, on the next page

[42:41] I added On the third line down I added

[42:44] development after commercial.

[42:47] So, it Residents were highly divided

[42:51] regarding retail and other commercial

[42:54] development

[42:56] on the lower fields.

[43:04] Then halfway down that paragraph

[43:07] there's a sentence that starts, "While

[43:09] the top

[43:10] individual concern was traffic

[43:14] I just put the

[43:16] top individual concern was traffic at

[43:18] 21%.

[43:20] A greater come A greater number of

[43:23] residents responded with an open-ended

[43:26] response and indicated

[43:28] that architecture and site design were

[43:30] most important.

[43:33] And it's that I thought while was

[43:37] excess, but it's just a writing style,

[43:40] so.

[43:42] >> [snorts]

[43:44] » I think you're good with that. Okay.

[43:50] Next page.

[43:53] And here's the gold star. I I didn't

[43:56] have any changes here.

[43:58] But we may want to add

[44:01] Lori, with your comments The B1 and 2

[44:04] possibly changing.

[44:09] Yeah.

[44:15] You know, on on number one it says,

[44:18] "Spotlight individual entrepreneurs." It

[44:20] may be like allow individual

[44:22] entrepreneurs to advertise. I mean,

[44:25] allow them to do it, but not us have to

[44:27] go to the work. They can do it, and it's

[44:30] available. The platform's available

[44:31] there, but Okay.

[44:33] Yeah, if they give you an ad

[44:35] >> Yeah, give me an ad. You can just

[44:36] [clears throat] put it in the

[44:36] newsletter.

[44:37] >> yourself and submit it. Don't Right.

[44:40] have us send somebody to interview you.

[44:42] So, make that allow instead of

[44:44] spotlight. Yeah. Allow individual

[44:46] entrepreneurs

[44:48] and creative professionals through

[44:49] social media

[44:51] and newsletters.

[44:53] Uh

[44:54] allow them to promote

[44:57] their business or, you know,

[45:00] So, that's what B1 Yeah.

[45:07] So, add after newsletters

[45:11] Um so, you said to change it to allow?

[45:13] >> Allow individual entrepreneurs and

[45:15] creative professionals through social

[45:16] media and newsletters to highlight their

[45:20] businesses?

[45:23] I would I would say allow individual

[45:25] entrepreneurs and creative professionals

[45:28] opportunities

[45:30] through social media and newsletters.

[45:33] Okay.

[45:34] So, allow an opportunities.

[45:43] consider allowing.

[45:46] >> [laughter]

[45:48] >> Well, they probably are posted on the

[45:51] web on site Facebook. I don't know. I

[45:53] don't do Facebook, but

[45:56] They're just not on the official.

[45:57] They're not going to let anybody do it

[45:58] on the official one. That's just

[46:00] business.

[46:02] Yeah. Okay. Any change with two, Lori,

[46:04] you think?

[46:07] I would like to scratch it. This and

[46:10] that.

[46:13] Well, it talks about city website there,

[46:16] which we talked about doing. Consider

[46:18] creating an opt-in directory

[46:20] of home-based businesses to be featured

[46:22] on the city website or newsletter. It

[46:25] says the same thing as the first one,

[46:27] doesn't it? Pretty much.

[46:28] Yeah, really. The only

[46:31] difference is website.

[46:34] What if we just add website to the first

[46:36] one?

[46:36] >> do that. Opportunities through social

[46:38] media

[46:40] comes newsletters comes Yeah.

[46:44] Do you know any cities that have a

[46:45] little listing of their

[46:48] businesses in their city? I think that's

[46:50] hokey.

[46:53] To list their businesses? Yeah, on the

[46:55] city website.

[46:57] >> website?

[46:57] Even if we have If you have a

[47:00] one page city businesses.

[47:03] Um

[47:07] » [snorts]

[47:07] >> It It just seems really small town to

[47:09] me.

[47:10] Which we are a small town. Yeah, but

[47:13] >> [laughter]

[47:15] >> I'd say they can use the one side of the

[47:17] bulletin board at the mailboxes, but I don't know about putting it on the

[47:21] city website.

[47:23] Yeah, but it gets updated

[47:26] by the wind and people take

[47:29] >> [laughter]

[47:30] >> Every time the wind blows it changes.

[47:33] I don't know.

[47:35] We have a We have a web

[47:37] a website for Scofield. And the people

[47:41] who have had success with contractors, they

[47:47] put them on that. Uh-huh.

[47:48] [clears throat]

[47:50] In addition to contractors that might be

[47:52] part of our HOA.

[47:54] But we have such a hard time of getting

[47:56] people to go up there to do anything

[47:58] that when we identify somebody who will

[48:00] who go up there, a plumber, electrician,

[48:02] whatever,

[48:03] then we put them on our our website so

[48:06] others can see that, and then reach out to them. I don't know of a better way. I mean,

[48:14] there's multiple ways, but I think

[48:16] that's a good way to have

[48:19] um for people to to advertise. If they

[48:23] choose not to,

[48:26] then we can do it for a year and see

[48:28] what the response is to. But I I like

[48:31] that idea though to put a

[48:33] um list of city businesses. Trying to

[48:37] find a picture here. Hold on.

[48:40] >> [laughter]

[48:45] » It might take me a while. Um

[48:48] Jody found

[48:50] an old city newsletter

[48:53] from when

[48:56] I mean, it was probably in the 1990s,

[48:59] and it had um

[49:03] my sister's mother little kids

[49:05] advertising that they would babysit. And

[49:08] it was it was funny and cute, but but I

[49:12] don't want to

[49:13] have the city do that again.

[49:15] I don't know if I can find it. I I I

[49:18] think it'd be bad if they contacted they

[49:20] started contacting the city.

[49:24] Would they do that?

[49:29] To put a request the city to put them

[49:32] Put it in the free notice. Yeah, or or Yeah. Well, they they can't do it

[49:35] themselves.

[49:37] That's controlled. Lori and Jody control

[49:42] the website.

[49:44] Um

[49:48] We don't Let me ask you this, Lori. Does

[49:51] the

[49:52] newsletter get posted on this

[49:55] city website?

[49:57] Do we ever post it to that? Yeah. Yeah,

[49:59] there's a link to it at least. Yeah.

[50:01] It is on

[50:03] >> the Facebook page and it gets sent to

[50:04] everybody.

[50:06] So, if every month

[50:12] And and of course this is in part with

[50:17] um

[50:19] >> [snorts]

[50:23] » Janet cuz she's does the newsletter.

[50:26] I mean, she put a list of

[50:28] and

[50:30] of

[50:31] businesses

[50:32] and just updated it. She wouldn't have

[50:34] to redo it. Just add it new when when a

[50:37] new one

[50:38] has to be added. And then that

[50:40] newsletter is going on

[50:42] the website.

[50:45] That would be the access. And then when

[50:48] a new one goes on, does the old one come

[50:50] off or do they just keep it through the

[50:51] year?

[50:51] >> They I don't know. They might all be

[50:53] there.

[50:54] I know on the Facebook page they're all

[50:56] there.

[50:57] Um and I'm not sure about the website.

[50:59] It might be.

[51:00] >> Cuz that is

[51:02] There's no point duplicating things if

[51:05] maybe they can get on with the with the

[51:07] newsletter.

[51:09] And just then

[51:11] the newsletter is added to the web page

[51:13] and and

[51:14] last page is list of home businesses.

[51:19] But

[51:21] let

[51:24] We don't need to decide that tonight.

[51:26] But let's let's include that as option.

[51:29] And as the city talks about it further,

[51:30] they can decide.

[51:33] to do [clears throat] this. Okay. Yeah.

[51:36] I'd say to get rid of number two, just

[51:37] keep one. Yeah.

[51:43] And so number three was number three and

[51:45] number two.

[51:49] And if they want to do something down

[51:51] the road, it would be still as an option

[51:53] in the plan.

[51:56] Okay.

[52:00] Anything else there with the goals on

[52:01] that page?

[52:07] And on the next page, 79,

[52:10] I again inserted on A3

[52:14] um

[52:15] explore opportunities for boutique and

[52:18] our local commercial I put endeavors

[52:21] that generate sales tax. Including I

[52:24] added endeavors there. You just Go on

[52:27] goals. Go on number three. Yeah, goal three. Okay, I'm on page 82.

[52:34] So, number A3 insert endeavors between

[52:39] commercial and that.

[52:52] Any other changes there?

[52:56] Okay, going over to eight.

[53:00] This is one

[53:02] and I thought it was way too long.

[53:05] However,

[53:07] there's a lot of information here that

[53:09] probably I know the citizenry don't know

[53:12] and I know

[53:13] I suspect the city council doesn't know

[53:15] a lot. And I I think it's generally

[53:18] accurate. I haven't

[53:20] I think he talked he sat with sat down

[53:22] with Ted. And Ted informed him on on the

[53:26] water stuff

[53:28] that he included here.

[53:30] So, I guess what I'm saying is I think

[53:33] it's long, but I I kind of left it

[53:36] alone.

[53:37] Made a few changes here and there, but

[53:40] it's it has maybe the information. The

[53:43] whole thing is information.

[53:45] Yeah.

[53:46] I don't That was my view. I don't

[53:48] know if any of you have a different

[53:51] No, I It's just information, not

[53:53] necessarily a plan.

[53:57] Um

[53:58] With that in mind, the

[54:01] on the

[54:03] page 82

[54:04] um

[54:05] under DWR water conservation

[54:10] It says, "In 2019, the Utah Department

[54:13] of change that to water resources.

[54:19] The Department of Water Resources.

[54:23] And scratch out natural resources, DNR.

[54:27] It's it's a improper title. Where's that

[54:30] at? On the right under the paragraph DWR

[54:33] water conservation goals. Page? On page

[54:37] 82.

[54:41] The water resources is under natural

[54:43] resources, but that

[54:45] >> I mean, he's got DWR

[54:48] in the head.

[54:49] >> Yeah. And then he Then he changed it to

[54:52] DNR.

[54:54] Yeah.

[54:55] Okay.

[54:58] Then when you come down three or four

[54:59] lines,

[55:01] again, it's additionally not DWR, but

[55:05] excuse me, not DNR, it's DWR.

[55:08] Additionally, DWR projected water usage.

[55:14] So, those are the only changes I had

[55:17] on that page. Were there any others that was a good catch.

[55:24] Okay, next page 83, I didn't have any

[55:27] changes.

[55:29] And I didn't have any on 82 either. Any

[55:33] of you had

[55:34] any changes there?

[55:37] Okay.

[55:42] 85, I didn't have any changes.

[55:45] And none on 86.

[55:53] 87, I didn't have any.

[55:56] Nor on 88.

[56:00] You know what I You know what I saw the

[56:02] other day? I was going to church on a

[56:04] Thursday night. It was still light.

[56:07] And I was going down

[56:10] the middle road. What I keep I can't

[56:12] remember the name of it.

[56:14] The half to 11 200. What? Hook? No.

[56:18] The that comes off the hill.

[56:22] It's a middle road from it between Oh.

[56:25] Woodland Hills and Summer Creek. What's

[56:27] it called?

[56:28] Is it Durant? No.

[56:33] It's the one that comes off the hill.

[56:36] He's got the other The one that goes

[56:38] around and this one comes off and then

[56:39] goes down to 11 200.

[56:41] And then anyway, I was on that road and

[56:44] I I had just come off of it. There were

[56:46] three or four cars off the side of the

[56:48] road.

[56:49] And and my I was at my I drew my

[56:52] attention to heard deer. There were

[56:53] probably about 50 deer there. Just in a

[56:56] clump waiting.

[56:58] And behind them

[56:59] there were over 100 elk.

[57:01] Really?

[57:02] >> Down there.

[57:03] It just it really struck me. They were they were

[57:06] waiting for I think these cars to leave

[57:08] cuz they were going to jump the fence

[57:09] and continue, you know, on the lowland

[57:12] over there. But to see that many and up

[57:15] close. I mean, they were they were

[57:16] probably within 100 ft of the fence.

[57:19] Wow.

[57:20] >> Just all clumped together. And it was

[57:22] just it was a beautiful sight. Oh.

[57:25] Anyway.

[57:27] I love them as long as they didn't eat

[57:29] my shrubs.

[57:29] >> [laughter]

[57:32] » I don't see them in the city too much.

[57:33] Yeah, I don't either. Maybe you do.

[57:38] I don't see any elk in the city.

[57:40] What's the weather I don't see any elk

[57:43] I see deer all the time, but elk is

[57:45] different.

[57:46] >> Oh, they they'll see them in Summer

[57:47] Creek on that ridge where they're taking

[57:48] the sewer up.

[57:50] I haven't been there this year, but

[57:51] you'll see them sitting along that hill

[57:53] sometimes. Okay.

[57:55] That's the only spot I've seen them.

[57:58] Uh over on page

[58:01] 89

[58:03] I

[58:04] The only change I made to it is number

[58:07] 10.

[58:08] It's hoary cress.

[58:10] And it's also called

[58:12] whitetop. Whitetop.

[58:13] >> Yes, cuz everybody knows whitetop. I

[58:15] looked through those for whitetop and I

[58:17] thought, "Oh, he left it off."

[58:18] >> that's what I thought, too. Well, which

[58:20] one is whitetop? It's hoary cress,

[58:22] number 10.

[58:25] And the only way to get rid of it is

[58:26] with a torch. And you can't do that.

[58:29] Pretty much.

[58:30] >> [laughter]

[58:32] >> So, I added whitetop in

[58:34] together with hoary cress being the same

[58:36] one of the same.

[58:38] So.

[58:43] And I didn't have any on 90.

[58:47] Any others? Any Any change on 90?

[58:53] 91,

[58:55] no change. But I had

[58:58] for 92.

[59:02] Any of any of you?

[59:08] Okay, I have a couple next page. 93

[59:11] I had a couple of

[59:13] changes.

[59:15] Under

[59:16] goal one under A3

[59:19] um

[59:22] There is periodically review city

[59:24] ordinances to identify and amend any

[59:27] water wasteful practices instead of

[59:31] requirements.

[59:34] Substitute require or practices

[59:38] for requirements.

[59:40] I think we have any requirements to

[59:43] waste water.

[59:45] Nope.

[59:48] And on B, goal B as in boy, number

[59:52] three,

[59:53] uh I added uh in mind at the end of

[59:56] that.

[59:57] So, it be

[59:58] coordinate future land use decisions

[1:00:01] with water infrastructure capacity and

[1:00:04] conservation goals in mind.

[1:00:14] And those

[1:00:15] were the only two changes I had in

[1:00:18] I didn't have Any of you have any?

[1:00:20] You see what I'm talking about, Seven?

[1:00:22] Yeah, I got it. Okay.

[1:00:25] And I didn't have any on the next page,

[1:00:28] 94.

[1:00:38] Um

[1:00:39] And in page 95,

[1:00:42] under public feedback section,

[1:00:46] I uh

[1:00:48] changed

[1:00:51] the second

[1:00:53] uh it's the second sentence.

[1:00:55] Uh it says in the public survey,

[1:00:58] close to 2/3 of respondents agreed that

[1:01:02] the city government has adequate

[1:01:04] facilities to meet

[1:01:06] not my needs, but their needs.

[1:01:09] The the the survey probably read my

[1:01:12] needs, but I think it's more appropriate

[1:01:14] to put And it does. their [laughter] The

[1:01:17] question is there enough vaults

[1:01:20] for the 50 inches on? Yeah.

[1:01:24] Okay, I found going back to

[1:01:28] the [snorts] job newsletter, I said

[1:01:29] Okay.

[1:01:31] You just told me to go on.

[1:01:33] >> [laughter]

[1:01:34] >> Okay, so this is from a newsletter. I

[1:01:37] don't know what year it was.

[1:01:39] A Wooden Hills newsletter in the '90s.

[1:01:42] So, this is my sister. "Shantel Ovie

[1:01:44] would love to babysit your children.

[1:01:46] Call her at" and it gives her number.

[1:01:47] "She charges $1.50 per hour.

[1:01:51] >> [snorts]

[1:01:51] >> Um Tiffany Ovie is also interested in

[1:01:53] tending and can be reached at the same

[1:01:55] number.

[1:01:56] Um Danielle Shabrias can care for your

[1:01:59] pet while you're on vacation this

[1:02:00] summer.

[1:02:02] Um

[1:02:03] Jill Hunter

[1:02:04] cares for pets for vacationers. Her

[1:02:06] number is"

[1:02:08] And Jennifer Terry, a woman of many

[1:02:10] talents, is available for babysitting,

[1:02:13] $1 per hour, cookie baking, $2 for one

[1:02:16] dozen, any kind, and housework, $1.50

[1:02:19] per hour.

[1:02:21] I just think that's embarrassing.

[1:02:24] >> [laughter]

[1:02:24] >> I mean, it's cute to read about back

[1:02:27] then, but if we did that now, it's like,

[1:02:29] "Oh, god."

[1:02:30] And then here's another newsletter

[1:02:32] article. Lori, It just Let me read this

[1:02:35] one. What What are you leaving out

[1:02:37] yours?

[1:02:39] Cuz I was in college at that time.

[1:02:41] >> [laughter]

[1:02:41] >> I charged $2 an hour. Yeah, $2.

[1:02:45] I tutor math. Yeah, that's right. Okay,

[1:02:47] [laughter] this one says, "Please remind

[1:02:49] your children that it is illegal to

[1:02:51] shoot any kind of firearm within the

[1:02:53] town limits. Last month, the Oviatts'

[1:02:56] car window was shot with a BB gun." Oh,

[1:02:59] your house.

[1:02:59] >> Yeah,

[1:03:00] all of these little cute quaint things.

[1:03:02] And I think they're cute and quaint from

[1:03:04] back then. Was this when your dad was

[1:03:07] mayor? No. After [clears throat] him.

[1:03:10] Okay.

[1:03:10] >> Oh, this was 1987.

[1:03:13] Wow. So, and then I mean, it says,

[1:03:15] "Janine Richards has moved and is living

[1:03:17] in Dean Wolf's basement apartment. A

[1:03:20] couple from California, the Mailands,

[1:03:22] have purchased her home."

[1:03:24] I mean, it's just like all these little

[1:03:26] quaint things like, "Oh, that's

[1:03:27] embarrassing."

[1:03:28] Yeah. Yeah. Hometown news. Spanish Fork

[1:03:32] used to have in their newspaper like,

[1:03:35] you know, "Seven Johnson entertained his

[1:03:37] sister from California last weekend. He

[1:03:40] served spaghetti and, you know, it's

[1:03:42] like"

[1:03:43] >> [laughter]

[1:03:44] >> And it was in the newspaper.

[1:03:47] But now we have Facebook. I know, yeah.

[1:03:49] We can post a picture of us. We could

[1:03:51] have a talk it with the city staff and

[1:03:54] look at

[1:03:56] business license category.

[1:03:58] So, we don't get, you know, my

[1:04:00] daughter's on the corner selling Yeah.

[1:04:02] selling cookies or something.

[1:04:04] >> Well, and then one of my sisters when I showed her, "Look how cute this this

[1:04:08] is." And she said, "What? I never wanted

[1:04:10] to babysit. Mom must have put that IN

[1:04:12] THE NEWSLETTER."

[1:04:13] >> [laughter]

[1:04:15] » THAT'S HILARIOUS. That was put in the

[1:04:17] service, yeah. Yeah.

[1:04:19] >> [laughter]

[1:04:21] >> Yeah.

[1:04:21] That's great. Quite quaint.

[1:04:26] Um

[1:04:28] Okay, sorry to interrupt. On page 96,

[1:04:33] next page,

[1:04:34] um

[1:04:36] the first paragraph,

[1:04:39] second sentence, says, "The city

[1:04:42] provides sewer and culinary water

[1:04:45] services, but does not currently operate

[1:04:49] a secondary water system."

[1:04:52] I suspect that each of us know what a

[1:04:54] secondary water system is. Mhm. Most of

[1:04:57] the residents

[1:04:58] >> that the irrigation station

[1:05:00] water. So, I put secondary

[1:05:04] parentheses irrigation Mhm. water system

[1:05:07] there.

[1:05:10] And then a couple of lines below that

[1:05:13] starts, "Public safety is supported

[1:05:15] through a city operated insert volunteer

[1:05:18] fire department."

[1:05:19] >> Mhm.

[1:05:20] Yeah.

[1:05:27] And then I labeled this map. It said map

[1:05:30] of the city water system.

[1:05:32] So, I just

[1:05:33] wrote that in across the bottom of the

[1:05:36] map.

[1:05:37] Cuz there's no description with it.

[1:05:40] Yeah, you wouldn't know what it was.

[1:05:44] Mhm.

[1:05:44] I don't know either.

[1:05:48] I don't know what it was, actually.

[1:05:51] >> [laughter]

[1:05:52] >> It's like, "Okay, here's

[1:05:53] >> Just have a bunch of holes on the side

[1:05:54] again.

[1:05:58] Okay, next page,

[1:06:01] um

[1:06:03] page 97,

[1:06:06] I have a couple of

[1:06:09] changes.

[1:06:10] Uh the first paragraph under sewer,

[1:06:14] um

[1:06:16] about halfway down there's a sentence

[1:06:18] that starts, "All systems must comply

[1:06:21] with the on-site waste water

[1:06:27] system"

[1:06:29] not systems, not plural. On-site waste

[1:06:32] water system

[1:06:34] rules, r u l e s.

[1:06:40] as well as. So, it

[1:06:43] made system singular and rule rules

[1:06:46] plural.

[1:06:49] And then down the very bottom of that

[1:06:51] particular paragraph, the same

[1:06:53] paragraph,

[1:06:54] uh it ends with

[1:06:56] for any development involving septic

[1:06:59] systems,

[1:07:00] I put any property

[1:07:03] involving

[1:07:05] septic systems.

[1:07:07] Here, I I have a question, not something

[1:07:09] to change, but just a question.

[1:07:11] Up above on the first paragraph, it

[1:07:13] said,

[1:07:15] um

[1:07:17] "Septic systems are regulated and

[1:07:20] reviewed by the Utah County Health

[1:07:22] Department." That review, does that just

[1:07:24] come when you build? Or do they ever

[1:07:26] review it ever after? I don't think they

[1:07:29] do. If they If they want to add a

[1:07:31] bedroom or a bathroom or a accessory

[1:07:34] apartment, they review it again. Okay.

[1:07:37] >> To see if the capacity is sufficient or

[1:07:41] whether they need to enlarge. I was just

[1:07:43] wondering how

[1:07:45] I mean, if somebody's septic system

[1:07:47] fails, is it just up to the neighbors to

[1:07:49] kind of notice?

[1:07:50] >> [laughter]

[1:07:51] >> Currently, they have to have get a

[1:07:54] notice pretty quick. They have to have

[1:07:55] space on their lot for two septic

[1:07:57] systems Really?

[1:07:59] >> in case the one fails.

[1:08:01] Why? They don't have to plumb it or

[1:08:03] anything, but they have to have room and

[1:08:06] um [clears throat]

[1:08:09] line Mhm. to go out if the first one

[1:08:12] fails.

[1:08:13] They didn't used to, but now they're

[1:08:15] requiring that.

[1:08:17] So, that answers your question?

[1:08:19] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[1:08:21] Um

[1:08:22] The next paragraph down starts, "Any new

[1:08:25] construction within 300 feet."

[1:08:28] I put insert state law requires any new

[1:08:33] construction within 300 feet.

[1:08:43] And then that little map is our sewer

[1:08:45] map, and it's not labeled. I just put

[1:08:47] sewer, excuse me, city sewer map

[1:08:52] underneath the map.

[1:09:03] I It said in how many

[1:09:06] homes are connected to sewer in 2025,

[1:09:09] and I looked to see how I could we need

[1:09:11] to update that. There were only four

[1:09:13] more.

[1:09:14] Is that right? Are these figures

[1:09:16] correct, Lori? It says 125 to 130.

[1:09:19] >> It's 134.

[1:09:22] As of today, it's like, "Oh, that's

[1:09:24] hardly"

[1:09:25] >> [laughter]

[1:09:25] >> It's 134.

[1:09:27] >> we got 2026 then.

[1:09:28] >> 2026 and 134. Yeah, let's keep keep it

[1:09:31] current. So, let's say we'll change that

[1:09:33] to 2026.

[1:09:36] Approximately

[1:09:38] 134 homes.

[1:09:41] Okay.

[1:09:44] I don't need the 125. I'll just do

[1:09:47] that.

[1:09:50] Okay.

[1:09:56] » [snorts]

[1:09:59] » Any other changes on 97?

[1:10:03] Okay, going over to 98.

[1:10:06] I made some changes here on the

[1:10:09] internet service stuff.

[1:10:12] Um

[1:10:13] >> [clears throat]

[1:10:15] » Here's what I did the second para- first

[1:10:16] paragraph left.

[1:10:19] The second paragraph, did any of you

[1:10:21] have any changes on the first paragraph

[1:10:23] that you want to

[1:10:25] Okay, the second I said, "The city has

[1:10:27] installed conduit for fiber optic

[1:10:31] internet, which is currently utilized by

[1:10:34] Utopia."

[1:10:36] Then Comcast and I scratched is and put

[1:10:39] has.

[1:10:41] So, compact Comcast has

[1:10:45] also and scratch actively.

[1:10:50] So, it's Comcast has also installed

[1:10:56] ED instead of ING, its own fiber network

[1:11:00] through the public right-of-way

[1:11:03] using directional drilling.

[1:11:06] As a result, all existing roads, then

[1:11:10] insert right-of-ways.

[1:11:13] So, all existing roads right-of-ways

[1:11:18] now have

[1:11:21] fiber conduit

[1:11:26] in place.

[1:11:28] But, it is

[1:11:29] >> As I'm reading that, I'm seeing it's not

[1:11:31] right because

[1:11:33] Summerhill Creek doesn't have

[1:11:37] Well, but they do have

[1:11:38] >> right-of-ways, yeah.

[1:11:40] So, as a result, all existing

[1:11:42] roads right-of-ways now have fiber

[1:11:43] conduit in place.

[1:11:45] Then I I put currently instead of while.

[1:11:49] Currently, Wooden Hills

[1:11:52] is

[1:11:54] served by both Utopia

[1:11:57] and Comcast

[1:12:00] while Summit Creek area

[1:12:03] is served by CenturyLink.

[1:12:07] So, the last two lines are scratched

[1:12:10] with the [clears throat] with

[1:12:12] those words included. So, the last

[1:12:14] sentence would be Generally Generally,

[1:12:16] Wooden Hills is served by both Utopia

[1:12:20] and Comcast

[1:12:21] comma while Summit Creek

[1:12:24] area

[1:12:26] is served by CenturyLink.

[1:12:33] Are you good with that wording?

[1:12:35] I'm just happy I don't live in Summit

[1:12:36] Creek.

[1:12:41] Yeah, that's [clears throat] fine.

[1:12:42] >> And I don't know why it happened that

[1:12:43] way. Interesting. Yeah, that's

[1:12:46] interesting.

[1:12:48] So,

[1:12:49] CenturyLink

[1:12:51] is trying to come into the city and

[1:12:53] cable the rest of the city.

[1:12:55] Now, with these other two But,

[1:12:58] we're discouraging them

[1:13:01] for fear of just messing everything up.

[1:13:03] Jeez, yeah. Cutting into cables and It's

[1:13:06] good to have the

[1:13:07] >> Comcast didn't do a very good job.

[1:13:09] >> competition, but Comcast is horrible.

[1:13:10] Yeah, they were Comcast long term.

[1:13:13] Utopia's wonderful. jerks.

[1:13:15] Uh CenturyLink [clears throat]

[1:13:17] Okay, so it's both Summit They're better

[1:13:19] than CenturyLink. Yes, they're not

[1:13:21] CenturyLink. Summit now.

[1:13:23] Yeah. Okay.

[1:13:26] No.

[1:13:28] Um next [clears throat] page, 99, I

[1:13:31] didn't have any changes.

[1:13:34] Or

[1:13:35] Oh.

[1:13:38] Well, the one thing I had was the GPS

[1:13:40] tracking. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That

[1:13:42] came up today. Oh.

[1:13:45] You weren't here, were you? No.

[1:13:47] What did he say? Cuz I thought

[1:13:48] >> Lori and Ben were were were reading

[1:13:51] that.

[1:13:51] >> Lori and Ben? Yeah, Jody Ben. And they

[1:13:54] didn't like it.

[1:13:56] Yeah.

[1:13:58] So,

[1:14:00] let's see. It's by equipping municipal

[1:14:02] snowplows with GIS,

[1:14:05] you know, the city can provide and

[1:14:06] that's the that's stuff that they don't

[1:14:08] want to do cuz all that becomes public.

[1:14:11] They do want to do that? I was going to

[1:14:13] say they don't they don't have it now,

[1:14:14] do they? No. No. No. But, then I mean

[1:14:17] cuz they said that they can go through

[1:14:19] the full route every 30 minutes, is it,

[1:14:21] Wayne?

[1:14:23] And so, Something like that.

[1:14:25] >> Yeah. And so, I mean you get

[1:14:27] a person who's overly concerned about

[1:14:31] you know, I mean they'll be there within

[1:14:33] 30 minutes and go over it once, but the

[1:14:35] priorities do I mean I like the way it

[1:14:37] talked about the priorities.

[1:14:39] I'd get rid of that whole paragraph.

[1:14:41] Scratch it. Yeah, let's let's do that.

[1:14:43] Scratch the GIS GPS tracking. Yeah.

[1:14:47] I would have hated that when I was

[1:14:48] plowing snow.

[1:14:50] It's under It's on page 99 on the right

[1:14:53] side.

[1:14:55] Or maybe your road is blocked cuz

[1:14:57] someone's stuck and so you turn and go a

[1:14:59] different way and somebody gets upset

[1:15:00] because you're off route, you know, or

[1:15:02] Yeah. I don't know.

[1:15:06] Yeah, that was that was a concern one of

[1:15:08] the concerns expressed with.

[1:15:10] Not having that there, so we'll take

[1:15:12] that out.

[1:15:16] So, you need people tracking the trucks

[1:15:18] Yeah. all over the city. Yeah. Hey, they

[1:15:20] need to get over here.

[1:15:22] Cuz they take care of I No one has

[1:15:24] better snow removal than Wooden Hills.

[1:15:26] No, yeah. No, you're right and everybody

[1:15:28] knows that, too. It's unbelievable.

[1:15:30] We we created a problem for them. We

[1:15:33] created a monster. Right. Yeah,

[1:15:35] seriously. There's a lot of expectation.

[1:15:37] Yeah, and you put GPS on it and you just

[1:15:40] Yeah.

[1:15:41] People will expect I think we'd be

[1:15:42] better off putting heated roads could

[1:15:44] melt the snow.

[1:15:46] >> [laughter]

[1:15:48] >> I didn't have any on page 100.

[1:15:50] I didn't. I don't think there'd be a tax

[1:15:52] increase or anything to heat the roads

[1:15:53] with that.

[1:15:55] On page 101, I didn't have any changes

[1:15:58] to the goals.

[1:16:01] Oh, it says something about GIS continue

[1:16:03] periodic Okay, where's that at? Oh, no,

[1:16:05] wait a minute.

[1:16:06] No, that's for the sewer. I'm sorry. No,

[1:16:08] okay.

[1:16:11] Um

[1:16:17] On On the next page, 102,

[1:16:20] I just on

[1:16:22] the goal two

[1:16:24] that part and part B

[1:16:27] and three,

[1:16:29] I put I inserted how between monitor

[1:16:32] new.

[1:16:33] So, it's monitor how new development

[1:16:35] impacts on energy demand and grid

[1:16:39] stability.

[1:16:41] It It It needed something there, so.

[1:16:46] Okay, I had a concern on

[1:16:49] goal three A

[1:16:52] Sustain and support a state-of-the-art

[1:16:55] fire and EMS department.

[1:16:58] That kind of bothers me.

[1:17:00] >> Which which one is that, Lori? On goal

[1:17:02] three A.

[1:17:04] >> A? Yeah. Oh, man. State-of-the-art.

[1:17:08] I think that sounds excessive.

[1:17:12] And I think we want a good one,

[1:17:15] but not

[1:17:16] >> Sustain and support

[1:17:18] a State-of-the-art, I don't like that.

[1:17:22] Yeah, I'm sure. I'm [laughter] sure you

[1:17:23] do.

[1:17:24] We want a state-of-the-art.

[1:17:28] I want you can't do that with a volunteer

[1:17:31] department anyway. And our budget with

[1:17:33] no business. Yeah. How would you word

[1:17:35] it, Lori? I would scratch out

[1:17:37] state-of-the-art.

[1:17:39] Sustain and support

[1:17:40] >> An exceptional A fire yeah. An

[1:17:42] exceptional fire.

[1:17:43] >> say a? A. Yeah, just you know, Just a

[1:17:47] fire department. Okay. I just thought

[1:17:49] We're lucky to have one, I think, but

[1:17:50] it's not And they do a great job, but I

[1:17:52] just don't want us to be known as

[1:17:54] state-of-the-art.

[1:17:57] I Under that under one

[1:18:00] of that same

[1:18:01] uh A1,

[1:18:03] it says follow NFPA standards

[1:18:07] for rotating firefighting vehicles and

[1:18:10] equipment, I put as resources allow. I

[1:18:14] like that because the reality is there's

[1:18:17] only one thing down there. There's only

[1:18:19] one apparatus, I think, that's up to the

[1:18:21] Yeah.

[1:18:22] It is perfect.

[1:18:25] Okay, I made over on B that same goal

[1:18:28] three,

[1:18:30] um

[1:18:31] I put

[1:18:34] B1,

[1:18:35] I substituted periodic for annual.

[1:18:38] Conduct periodic reviews of sheriff

[1:18:41] service performance and response times.

[1:18:45] That gives us some flexibility instead

[1:18:47] of

[1:18:49] doing it annually.

[1:18:50] So, this is question, who does that?

[1:18:54] Yeah, I

[1:18:56] His contract's renewed annually, so

[1:18:57] pretty much it is

[1:18:59] >> But, there's nobody in the city that

[1:19:00] sits down with him and goes through it.

[1:19:05] Not that I know of.

[1:19:07] Um

[1:19:08] I think he does an awesome job. I Yeah,

[1:19:10] I do. He does.

[1:19:12] >> Um under C,

[1:19:16] I put

[1:19:17] above that,

[1:19:19] uh

[1:19:20] on the high speed accessibility across

[1:19:23] community. See three

[1:19:26] says coordinate with internet service

[1:19:28] providers to expand coverage and service

[1:19:31] options as they are available.

[1:19:37] Added that at the end of that

[1:19:39] sentence as they are available.

[1:19:52] Okay.

[1:19:53] Any other changes there?

[1:19:55] No.

[1:19:57] And next page 103

[1:20:03] Oh.

[1:20:06] Well, let's see on goal four

[1:20:10] B two

[1:20:12] explore upgrades to route tracking and

[1:20:15] online publication

[1:20:18] to improve public visibility. That's the

[1:20:20] last sentence.

[1:20:22] Yeah, let's get rid of that.

[1:20:24] You just take that out?

[1:20:25] >> get rid of that.

[1:20:28] Yeah, cuz one covers everything I think

[1:20:30] we need.

[1:20:32] I mean you guys don't even do that I

[1:20:34] don't think. Really? On A1

[1:20:38] it says continue rotating snow plow

[1:20:41] equipment. I insert instead of every

[1:20:44] three years as needed.

[1:20:46] >> Yeah, I was going to say cuz this year

[1:20:47] they didn't really get used to it.

[1:20:50] We're trying We're trying to decide

[1:20:51] whether

[1:20:52] to do it

[1:20:54] in larger interviews intervals instead

[1:20:57] of three years.

[1:20:59] Uh as needed is good. You know. Yeah,

[1:21:02] those that

[1:21:03] few years where we had a lot of snow

[1:21:05] they got pretty beat up.

[1:21:06] >> Yeah, they did.

[1:21:09] Okay.

[1:21:11] Then on annexation

[1:21:13] uh page 105

[1:21:16] um

[1:21:19] down at the bottom of the first

[1:21:21] paragraph of that part

[1:21:24] it it says [snorts] rather

[1:21:29] comma annexation will occur as property

[1:21:32] owners anticipated desire to develop and

[1:21:35] improve properties in a way that

[1:21:38] and I

[1:21:40] put instead of necessitates I put allows

[1:21:43] for the expansion

[1:21:45] of Wooden Hills

[1:21:47] municipal services.

[1:21:51] So scratch necessitate and just

[1:21:53] substitute allows for the

[1:22:03] That's the only change I made on that

[1:22:04] page. Any other?

[1:22:10] Then we got the map.

[1:22:14] And I will I'm going to write up here

[1:22:17] include

[1:22:20] county

[1:22:24] Well, show show show county property.

[1:22:27] Yeah.

[1:22:33] different color

[1:22:37] Okay.

[1:22:38] So maybe the county I mean I can't see

[1:22:40] the color on it but the the striped

[1:22:43] Salem overlap area maybe that's county

[1:22:46] and so Salem could annex it or Wooden

[1:22:48] Hills could annex it and that's what it

[1:22:49] means.

[1:22:50] That good? Uh that's a good thought. Cuz

[1:22:53] it says

[1:22:55] in that little key down below Wooden

[1:22:57] Hills annexation area overlap with Salem

[1:23:00] >> Salem annexation

[1:23:01] >> that's the county. Oh but that's the old

[1:23:04] And yeah and they look the same.

[1:23:06] >> probably county. Is that what you're

[1:23:07] saying Lori?

[1:23:08] >> Yeah and I bet on the colored version we

[1:23:10] could tell the difference on these two

[1:23:12] striped areas.

[1:23:16] Mhm. And then we'll need to change that

[1:23:18] little triangle with it when Bucky gets

[1:23:20] that done. Yeah.

[1:23:24] » [snorts]

[1:23:24] >> Who will finish it first Bucky or

[1:23:27] Daniel?

[1:23:29] Bucky.

[1:23:31] >> [laughter]

[1:23:32] >> Yeah, right now it's just an area that

[1:23:34] so

[1:23:35] It matters if

[1:23:38] Okay, I didn't have any changes on 107.

[1:23:41] Did any of you?

[1:23:42] The one that had metal park on there.

[1:23:45] Say again? The one that had metal park.

[1:23:47] >> Oh, we don't. Yeah, I know. That's

[1:23:50] Oh, no. Oh, wait. What did we decide on

[1:23:53] that? That's a good catch. On that trail

[1:23:55] name.

[1:23:56] It was Wooden Hills

[1:23:58] >> Wooden Hills

[1:23:59] city

[1:24:02] Wooden Hills Summit Wooden Hills Summit

[1:24:04] Creek

[1:24:07] Meadow or Summit Wooden Hills City

[1:24:09] Summit

[1:24:10] >> or Summit Creek Yeah.

[1:24:12] For the one going up Wooden Hills side.

[1:24:14] But yeah, the Meadow Park should be

[1:24:16] Wooden Hills City Park.

[1:24:18] Yeah.

[1:24:22] Oh, that's a lot wordier than Meadow.

[1:24:26] Well, where Meadow Park came from I have

[1:24:28] I never heard of that before.

[1:24:36] It's Loren's and Field, right? Yeah,

[1:24:38] it's a field and It's the field part of

[1:24:40] the

[1:24:40] A soccer field is it or something?

[1:24:42] Loren's and Field. Okay. Yeah, it's just

[1:24:45] part of Steve.

[1:24:46] Okay.

[1:24:48] So

[1:24:50] Okay. [clears throat]

[1:24:54] Good. Okay, nothing on 107 then?

[1:24:57] >> [clears throat]

[1:25:01] » I didn't have anything on 108. Any of

[1:25:04] you? I had

[1:25:05] on

[1:25:06] second column three B

[1:25:10] Okay.

[1:25:10] >> Underneath the bold part it I think it

[1:25:13] needs to be says the developer will be

[1:25:16] responsible for all costs associated

[1:25:18] with

[1:25:19] expanding

[1:25:22] into the expansion area. I know expanded

[1:25:24] into the That doesn't sound right.

[1:25:28] Should be expanding into

[1:25:30] >> Is there another word besides expanding

[1:25:32] into the expansion?

[1:25:34] expanding building building into the

[1:25:37] expansion area building in the expansion

[1:25:40] area

[1:25:41] >> building in Okay, let's do building in.

[1:25:43] Okay.

[1:25:58] It would be

[1:26:01] associated with building into the

[1:26:03] expansion area then?

[1:26:06] building in the expansion area

[1:26:09] >> Okay, scratch into and expand it then.

[1:26:15] with

[1:26:16] building and add [clears throat]

[1:26:17] building in the expansion area Yeah.

[1:26:21] Okay.

[1:26:27] You know, I don't have the first part of

[1:26:29] the thing but

[1:26:32] is it consistent throughout the whole

[1:26:33] thing where it starts these little

[1:26:35] bolded sections with lower caps and

[1:26:38] you know, not complete sentences?

[1:26:43] I don't think so.

[1:26:47] I feel like Daniel's getting

[1:26:50] What? Cuz it's really

[1:26:53] There's a colon at the end of the

[1:26:57] each bold area

[1:26:59] >> It's just like four or five six Is that

[1:27:01] the way they all are? I didn't notice.

[1:27:03] Oh, four four doesn't have that though.

[1:27:08] three

[1:27:08] >> No, does five nor six.

[1:27:11] I guess it's a continuation of the title

[1:27:15] over before number one.

[1:27:20] So like it was still in the period

[1:27:21] though. I don't know.

[1:27:22] what's proper there. And

[1:27:24] shall colon and then one

[1:27:30] and

[1:27:33] there's a period there.

[1:27:34] Then number two has

[1:27:37] years but there's no colon.

[1:27:40] Well, but the colon is No, it's the same

[1:27:43] as in

[1:27:44] not colon one shall one

[1:27:48] >> two. two

[1:27:51] But but three has that colon.

[1:27:53] Because there's an A and a B.

[1:27:57] >> [clears throat]

[1:27:57] >> Okay. So is it like one huge run-on

[1:27:59] sentence until you get to six?

[1:28:03] And then it starts over at the with the

[1:28:05] new sentence at the beginning of page

[1:28:08] 109?

[1:28:11] It says

[1:28:13] That's a school thing. Pay close

[1:28:15] attention to this.

[1:28:17] >> [laughter]

[1:28:17] >> I wasn't

[1:28:23] Oh, I know. You're a math teacher not an

[1:28:25] English teacher.

[1:28:26] Oh, they know both.

[1:28:28] >> [laughter]

[1:28:30] » So how

[1:28:32] Okay, let's

[1:28:34] quickly put our heads together here.

[1:28:36] How should how should those be

[1:28:37] punctuated?

[1:28:39] Well, maybe we need to look at section

[1:28:41] one and see if it's matching the whole

[1:28:44] thing.

[1:28:45] And we could ask I could ask my sister.

[1:28:49] She was a writing major or something

[1:28:51] like that. Oh boy.

[1:28:53] Well, above above one is is black.

[1:28:57] In developing, considering and adopting

[1:28:59] an annexation plan, the planning

[1:29:01] commission and city council shall

[1:29:04] There's a colon there.

[1:29:07] And then one

[1:29:10] there's it's

[1:29:12] there's no capitalization but I don't

[1:29:18] see it any capitalization on the on the

[1:29:21] blue Yeah. the blue writing and then

[1:29:24] there's no after municipal They have

[1:29:27] blue writing.

[1:29:29] It's all changed to black and white.

[1:29:31] >> [laughter]

[1:29:32] >> Okay. So I attempt is blue.

[1:29:38] So the number section is blue.

[1:29:39] >> blue.

[1:29:41] And then it goes to black with a long

[1:29:43] paragraph.

[1:29:45] And but there's and then two months

[1:29:47] period at the end of map on that

[1:29:51] long paragraph.

[1:29:52] It's hard to see, but there's a period

[1:29:54] in there. Yeah. And then number two is

[1:29:57] the light blue.

[1:29:59] And so it starts with a small C and it doesn't

[1:30:03] have a

[1:30:06] colon at the end. Then it has a black.

[1:30:09] And there's a period at the end of the

[1:30:11] black.

[1:30:13] So that starts with a capital and ends

[1:30:15] with a period. Then three

[1:30:18] again

[1:30:20] it's it's uh

[1:30:22] small C for consider and then there's a

[1:30:25] colon

[1:30:26] at the end of necessary.

[1:30:29] See, but two doesn't have a colon at the

[1:30:31] end of years because there's not an A

[1:30:34] and a B.

[1:30:34] >> not subdivision.

[1:30:36] Okay.

[1:30:38] So it's consistent. So

[1:30:41] A and B

[1:30:44] It's like consider on four. Like all

[1:30:46] these verses Is that supposed to be a

[1:30:49] capital? I don't know. It's Consider No,

[1:30:53] cuz three number one doesn't have a capital.

[1:30:57] It starts a new sentence.

[1:30:59] Doesn't it? None of them have capitals.

[1:31:01] And they don't have a period at the end

[1:31:03] either. Right. And And at the end of the

[1:31:05] in industrial development, it doesn't

[1:31:08] have uh a period. a colon.

[1:31:13] Like cuz there's not there's just one subs sentence to that.

[1:31:19] >> I mean, that's really consistent.

[1:31:22] Because if you start with the the black

[1:31:25] or in developing, considering

[1:31:28] and adopting

[1:31:30] and then you've got there's a colon.

[1:31:32] And there's one

[1:31:34] and a two and a three. There's a colon

[1:31:38] after the end of three and there's an A

[1:31:41] and a B.

[1:31:42] >> B. And then four, there's no colon. It's

[1:31:45] just four. Five, there's no colon and

[1:31:48] it's just five and then there's six. So

[1:31:51] where does it

[1:31:51] >> really consistent. Doesn't six have And

[1:31:53] then again Where does it end though?

[1:31:57] Where does it not I think six ends

[1:32:00] because on the next page you've got one,

[1:32:02] two, three, four, five with a And there's a colon.

[1:32:08] So it's consistent,

[1:32:10] too. I think if anything you probably

[1:32:12] need a period after six.

[1:32:16] Cuz that's the end of that whole line.

[1:32:18] Cuz part of that is part of the next

[1:32:21] page.

[1:32:22] That's part of the next page, isn't Cuz

[1:32:23] the next page starts And it says it goes on to

[1:32:27] That's still six. Okay. And it has a

[1:32:30] colon. And then you've got a colon after

[1:32:32] drawn cuz you've got a one

[1:32:36] two, three, four, five as part of that.

[1:32:41] Okay. I I see that.

[1:32:47] It looks funny, but I think it's

[1:32:49] consistent.

[1:32:49] >> Okay. It says to that like the numbered

[1:32:53] ones like four, five, six, they should

[1:32:55] be lower case when introducing a list of

[1:32:58] fragment or a single phrase. You should

[1:33:01] capitalize

[1:33:03] if it if it introduces a full sentence.

[1:33:09] Especially in APA style or when using

[1:33:11] Chicago style for two or more sentences.

[1:33:16] I think the the thought continues though

[1:33:18] from the blue to the the black.

[1:33:25] So I I I would would like to see if it

[1:33:28] started out that way with section one

[1:33:31] and I didn't even notice it until

[1:33:33] the end.

[1:33:36] I think the very first section of the

[1:33:38] whole thing Yeah.

[1:33:41] Mhm.

[1:33:53] Number two has a period at the end of

[1:33:55] the black which is under

[1:34:00] the blue number two.

[1:34:03] And there's no colon there. She puts a

[1:34:06] period at the end of each

[1:34:08] description. Yeah. Only on the only on

[1:34:11] the black page there is.

[1:34:13] There's a period at at the end of the

[1:34:14] black.

[1:34:29] It's warm in here.

[1:34:30] I know.

[1:34:32] Yeah, I'm in shorts. Does this window

[1:34:35] open?

[1:34:37] We can just shut that thing off.

[1:34:39] It's not heating, is it? No, it's on

[1:34:43] cooling, but I think it's turned up to

[1:34:45] like 75.

[1:34:47] We can put it down to

[1:34:49] I don't know, 66 or It's 81.

[1:34:53] But it's set at 66.

[1:34:56] For cooling.

[1:34:56] >> Okay.

[1:34:58] I don't think it's

[1:34:59] working.

[1:35:00] Let me throw you in a minute. It's

[1:35:02] broken.

[1:35:05] Um

[1:35:12] I think there's some I won't say

[1:35:15] absolute consistency, but there seems to

[1:35:18] be some general consistency with the way

[1:35:20] It started out that way. it's done that.

[1:35:22] Mhm.

[1:35:23] Okay.

[1:35:24] Have your assistant look at it.

[1:35:26] Okay. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, thanks.

[1:35:31] Okay.

[1:35:34] And

[1:35:36] I have [snorts] to go to the lines.

[1:35:43] And then to the goals.

[1:35:46] I don't I don't have any changes on the

[1:35:48] goals. Do any of you?

[1:35:50] No.

[1:35:51] >> [clears throat]

[1:35:53] » Okay.

[1:35:55] I'm good.

[1:36:01] Um

[1:36:02] I'm ready to clear information.

[1:36:06] You two are the

[1:36:07] Ben is the one who's making the changes

[1:36:10] on this. Oh.

[1:36:12] Not

[1:36:13] Daniel.

[1:36:15] Really, Ben wanted to make the changes.

[1:36:19] So he's the one that's reviewing you

[1:36:21] know, changes that were

[1:36:22] So doing.

[1:36:24] >> We're giving this to Ben.

[1:36:26] >> Yes. And he's making the changes. Yeah.

[1:36:29] And then he will present it to the city

[1:36:31] council.

[1:36:32] And then we have to have We'll We'll do

[1:36:35] that once he's done, but

[1:36:38] yesterday I sent a message to Daniel

[1:36:41] asking him for

[1:36:43] the um

[1:36:46] executive summary cuz this

[1:36:48] document had an executive summary.

[1:36:51] And um today

[1:36:54] Daniel sent

[1:36:57] he called it the updated version.

[1:37:01] Um

[1:37:04] It still doesn't have an executive

[1:37:05] summary to it.

[1:37:08] uh

[1:37:09] >> [clears throat]

[1:37:10] >> It has a survey

[1:37:12] at the end which I like. This didn't

[1:37:15] have that.

[1:37:16] And he has an index in the very front

[1:37:19] with page [clears throat] number

[1:37:21] for each section. Which That's good.

[1:37:24] Yeah. So I responded back to him

[1:37:27] still need the executive

[1:37:30] summary of the whole document.

[1:37:33] So I don't know when I'll get or when

[1:37:37] we'll get it, but that needs to be part

[1:37:39] of our

[1:37:41] um

[1:37:44] public hearing. How long is the

[1:37:46] executive summary?

[1:37:49] There's no It's

[1:37:51] whatever

[1:37:53] we want it to be.

[1:37:55] So

[1:37:57] um

[1:37:59] But that's

[1:38:01] Ben has given part of this to the city

[1:38:06] council already. Oh. Just for their

[1:38:09] review. But we have to have a public

[1:38:11] hearing

[1:38:12] on it. So I anticipate

[1:38:16] a public hearing in April.

[1:38:19] As part of our April planning commission

[1:38:21] meeting.

[1:38:23] We'll have a public hearing on this.

[1:38:26] Any final changes

[1:38:29] that we choose to make will be made then

[1:38:33] and then it will go to the city council

[1:38:36] their first meeting in May.

[1:38:40] Although they're getting part of it now.

[1:38:42] By the That's good that they could be

[1:38:43] going through He keeps up. And Ben's

[1:38:45] kind of the one that put that timetable

[1:38:47] together. He wants to move it along.

[1:38:51] So

[1:38:53] that's where we're at with it.

[1:38:55] Um

[1:38:59] So any any questions

[1:39:03] with that? I know it's totally

[1:39:05] adjourned.

[1:39:06] Second that.

[1:39:08] Okay. All in favor? Aye.

[1:39:12] We've got We've got

[1:39:14] What time we have here?

[1:39:16] 8

[1:39:18] 38.

[1:39:19] 8:38.

Planning Commission Meeting March 18 2026

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