[4:57] all right good evening everyone and

[4:59] welcome to the february 7th 2022 regular

[5:02] meeting of the council of the village

[5:04] yellow springs

[5:05] and we've already gotten this meeting

[5:07] started we just came out of an executive

[5:09] session so we're going to run right into

[5:11] announcements and i'm actually going to

[5:13] start off with a few and then if others

[5:15] have them um

[5:17] so i want to begin with as we get a

[5:18] picture on the screen um just kind of

[5:21] highlighting that i've got my bulldog

[5:22] blue

[5:23] got my button on

[5:25] got my bulldog mug because i want to

[5:28] give a big shout out to

[5:30] two of our speech and debate students

[5:32] who qualify for national are for states

[5:35] they'll qualify for nationals too uh

[5:37] this past saturday and that is jenny

[5:39] meeken and adelia hallett

[5:42] and so if you see them around town make

[5:45] sure to give them a big shout out

[5:46] because uh they're gonna be competing

[5:48] with hundreds of kids across the state

[5:50] and i think it's really exciting also i

[5:53] wanted to thank bike yellow springs um

[5:55] which is our local chapter of bike miami

[5:58] valley they recently paid to have our

[6:02] fix it station at the train station uh

[6:06] get back into working order and um

[6:08] that's a great asset that we have in

[6:10] town for

[6:12] plumbing up your tires and being able to

[6:14] set up your bike if you have something

[6:16] that you need to repair

[6:18] i also wanted to mention uh that one of

[6:21] our uh great team members johnny burns

[6:24] had his birthday this past saturday and

[6:27] um uh that came after a lot of uh snow

[6:32] activity plowing whatnot so i do want to

[6:34] thank the entire uh village crew

[6:37] for all the work that they did during uh

[6:40] all that snow activity

[6:42] and um

[6:43] one other thing i wanted to mention is

[6:46] that uh our next meeting because uh it

[6:48] will be president's day on february 21st

[6:52] will happen on february 22nd

[6:55] and uh so um just keep that in mind mark

[6:58] your calendars i know that our council

[7:00] meetings have become really popular

[7:02] and the last thing i want to mention is

[7:04] uh and i think we have something on the

[7:06] screen for this as well

[7:08] one of our um local citizens who has

[7:11] done a lot of work to support the

[7:13] village cindy seek

[7:15] was awarded one of the top 100 public

[7:18] service volunteers

[7:20] uh they had over

[7:22] 700 applicants

[7:24] they um

[7:25] they came from 49 states and if you

[7:28] don't know cindy seek she helped with

[7:30] our culture of health initiative

[7:33] she recently put in a lot of work um

[7:35] volunteering to uh submit our rebuilding

[7:39] america's infrastructure with

[7:41] sustainability and equity and uh she's

[7:44] just all around like always there to

[7:46] support constructively all the great

[7:49] things that we're doing in our community

[7:51] so thank you cindy we appreciate you

[7:54] and um i don't know if josue or any

[7:56] other council members have any other

[7:58] announcements

[8:02] brian i would like to add to your your

[8:04] um your statement about the preparation

[8:07] for the snow i i want to thank my team

[8:10] for having such a great uh contingency

[8:12] plan in place you know when we have a

[8:14] public works team that's responsible for

[8:17] snow plowing power outages down branches

[8:22] water mains it's one crew

[8:24] responsible for all of those things and

[8:27] we had a big

[8:28] snow event coming through and we were

[8:31] prepared to address any one of those

[8:33] emergencies and it's all done with one

[8:35] crew

[8:36] so we've got an amazing team we're able

[8:38] to work around the clock from wednesday

[8:40] night into saturday morning uh to take

[8:43] care of any issues that came up and

[8:45] and my the team did such a great job i

[8:47] couldn't ask for a better team so thank

[8:49] you thank you all for what you do

[8:52] all right any other announcements

[8:57] okay

[8:58] if not then we are going to uh move into

[9:01] the consent agenda and um those are the

[9:03] minutes from our last meeting as well as

[9:05] the minutes from the work session that

[9:07] we had

[9:08] and i'll entertain a motion to approve

[9:10] the consent agenda

[9:12] approve the consent agenda

[9:16] okay

[9:17] and i heard a second

[9:19] okay

[9:20] and uh judy if you could call the role

[9:22] please

[9:23] yes stokes

[9:25] mcqueen

[9:26] yes

[9:27] brown

[9:33] yes thank you

[9:39] okay

[9:40] um next up is a review of the agenda

[9:42] anything that we need to change add or

[9:44] ma or delete

[9:48] okay

[9:49] hearing none i'm going to hand it over

[9:51] to vice president kevin stokes to run

[9:54] through our petitions and communications

[9:57] thank you brian

[9:58] and what i have what the clerk has

[10:01] received this week

[10:02] for petition communications in the

[10:05] packet first of all we do have the

[10:08] letter and certificate

[10:10] from the small town regarding the small

[10:11] town volunteer award for cindy sikh

[10:15] nick buddhist has

[10:16] provided a letter

[10:18] from

[10:19] regarding the glenn helen tecumseh land

[10:21] trust grant award for site cleanup

[10:24] alexandria scott

[10:26] has a letter

[10:28] requesting time on the agenda for

[10:31] section 8 education she's representing

[10:35] the inclusive brazilian yell springs

[10:36] coalition

[10:38] the mayor's clerk has the mayor's court

[10:40] report there's two

[10:42] instances of that

[10:44] dino palada has a letter offering us

[10:46] information regarding housing finance

[10:49] information links

[10:50] dino also issued a letter challenging

[10:53] the pud process

[10:55] max chrome has a letter with links to a

[10:58] presentation by max crone

[11:01] greene county community health

[11:02] department

[11:04] has information regarding a vaccine

[11:06] clinic that'll be february 8

[11:08] at antioch college

[11:11] and we have a group of um

[11:14] letters

[11:15] uh some in support and some in uh

[11:18] opposition to the pudding and i'll read

[11:20] those off first the letters who that

[11:23] came in in support of the pud

[11:25] for the overall pud connie colette kathy

[11:28] adams

[11:29] and carolyn ray

[11:31] those folks and entities that issued

[11:34] letters

[11:35] in opposition to the pud are sarah mabra

[11:38] emily fober

[11:39] brittany baum

[11:41] catherine price

[11:42] felicia chappelle

[11:44] joanna schultz hermann

[11:47] the resident activism of yellow springs

[11:49] trustees max chrome

[11:51] laura curless

[11:53] and

[11:54] shirley christensen

[11:56] and that is all we have for petitions

[11:59] and communications thank you very much

[12:02] thank you kevin all right so we're going

[12:03] to move into our um legislation and

[12:07] first up we have the second reading of

[12:09] ordinance 202202

[12:12] and judy we can read that in by title

[12:14] only

[12:16] right this is rezoning 52.65 acres of

[12:19] property located north of the east hyde

[12:21] road and west of spillane road to

[12:23] planned unit development residential pdr

[12:26] and amending the zoning map thereby

[12:28] approving the preliminary development

[12:29] plan

[12:31] all right can i get a motion

[12:36] i move

[12:39] second

[12:40] and there's a second

[12:42] okay um all right so before we open the

[12:44] public hearing i would just like to ask

[12:47] council members

[12:49] knowing that we've had over 20 hours of

[12:51] discussion on um the pud

[12:55] and uh i believe most of us have been

[12:58] eating breathing sleeping um the pud for

[13:01] the last couple months

[13:03] what is it that

[13:05] council members need to make their

[13:07] decision

[13:08] uh and so

[13:10] feel free to mic on and just kind of let

[13:12] me know

[13:14] how

[13:14] uh you want to run things like the

[13:16] citizen comments and so forth um so that

[13:20] we get what we need

[13:24] well brian first of all if you'll allow

[13:26] me oh yeah kevin please

[13:27] yes this kevin stokes um

[13:30] due to potential complex adventures i'm

[13:33] going to recuse myself from this hearing

[13:35] and from discussion and from any vote

[13:38] on this legislation

[13:40] thank you

[13:41] okay thanks kevin

[13:43] all right and i know that josue will be

[13:45] removing your privileges and you're

[13:47] camering off

[13:49] um

[13:51] so

[13:53] mary ann mcqueen anything in particular

[13:54] that you're looking for in this

[13:56] discussion or with our um citizen

[13:59] comments

[14:00] i do have some points that i would like

[14:02] to make and i have written out a bullet

[14:04] point

[14:05] uh presentation to go over that

[14:08] i can do that now or i could do that

[14:10] after citizen's comments and whatever

[14:12] the pleasure of counsel is

[14:16] okay well i think uh i think that that

[14:18] is up to you

[14:20] um

[14:22] sorry we'll maybe we'll come back in a

[14:23] minute lisa krieger anything that um

[14:26] you're looking for to help make your

[14:27] decision

[14:30] um yeah i i am in particular thinking a

[14:34] lot about the financial scrutiny of the

[14:36] cost benefit analysis

[14:39] um as well as um

[14:43] uh the element about the um

[14:47] complementary

[14:49] mix of housing types those are the

[14:51] things that are on my mind tonight

[14:54] as i approach this boat

[14:56] okay uh carmen how about you

[15:00] i'm ready to go i'm good

[15:02] good

[15:03] okay and um i i think the main thing

[15:05] i'll emphasize is um

[15:08] we've heard a lot of comments um i i

[15:12] think we would be looking for any uh new

[15:16] uh information um because i think mostly

[15:19] what we've heard has been sort of

[15:20] repeating the the same issues which we

[15:23] have certainly listened to and we've

[15:25] read all the letters and and certainly

[15:27] talked to a lot of people

[15:28] um the other thing is we are going to be

[15:31] limiting comments to two minutes

[15:33] and um uh we'll need to make sure that

[15:37] people are really clear about um giving

[15:40] their name and their affiliation as they

[15:42] as we requested last time

[15:45] um and that is your affiliation to the

[15:46] village

[15:47] um with our

[15:49] um group that's having the watch party

[15:51] i'm not exactly sure what's the best way

[15:53] to to work that because we'll need to be

[15:56] bouncing around with comments um it

[15:58] seems like you're texting judy

[16:01] so maybe judy can kind of help

[16:02] facilitate letting me know who wants to

[16:04] speak

[16:06] and um otherwise

[16:08] uh

[16:10] just remember that we will not tolerate

[16:12] any personal attacks um if those occur

[16:15] then we will have to mute you

[16:18] and um

[16:19] i think that's about it judy any other

[16:21] protocol that i'm missing

[16:24] i don't believe so no

[16:25] okay

[16:26] um so marianne back to you do you want

[16:28] to make your comments now or wait till

[16:30] after the citizen comments

[16:34] i can talk now okay go ahead

[16:38] so i there are four

[16:40] four points that i would like to make

[16:43] uh first is i'd like to just go over

[16:45] what the two options are before us

[16:48] the second i'd like to register my

[16:50] concern about some of the tactics that

[16:52] are being used to oppose the development

[16:55] i'd also like to briefly speak to the

[16:58] ecology of the the site itself

[17:01] and lastly just what i see is the

[17:03] opportunity

[17:04] so

[17:05] um

[17:06] you know we're in this little village

[17:08] but we're in this country where

[17:11] i don't know 30 or

[17:13] 40 percent of the people i guess think

[17:15] that president trump won the election

[17:17] i'm not sure what that proportion is

[17:21] which seems odd

[17:23] but i have to say that

[17:25] it also seems odd that in this village

[17:29] i believe there's approximately the same

[17:32] percentage of people

[17:34] who don't understand that there are two

[17:37] options for this development either a

[17:39] pud

[17:41] or a single family

[17:43] subdivision

[17:44] and i think we've tried to put that

[17:46] information out i understand that it can

[17:48] be confusing

[17:50] it involves property rights subdivision

[17:53] rights zoning code building codes

[17:56] and the role of the comprehensive land

[17:58] use plan

[18:00] so i'd like to first just discuss very

[18:03] briefly the piece of negotiating for the

[18:06] pud which took over a year and involved

[18:09] our staff

[18:10] so if if you're negotiating that means

[18:13] you have to have something

[18:15] to put on the table you have to have

[18:16] something you want you have to have

[18:18] something that you can

[18:19] that that you can give

[18:21] in this case

[18:23] the village did not have a lot of

[18:27] play playroom here because ober already

[18:30] had what they wanted they wanted to do a

[18:32] single family subdivision

[18:34] so i think it speaks

[18:36] well of ober that they were willing to

[18:38] spend uh over a year to work with

[18:42] primarily our staff

[18:44] and i particularly think it speaks well

[18:47] of our staff

[18:49] who were willing and able to negotiate

[18:52] the deal that they did

[18:54] so i'm talking particularly about josue

[18:57] salmeron our village manager

[18:59] johnny

[19:00] burns our public work director

[19:03] and uh denise swinger our planning and

[19:05] zoner

[19:06] person

[19:08] judy kintner has been involved and our

[19:10] attorney

[19:12] brianne parcells has as well

[19:14] but these people have put their heart

[19:16] and soul for the last year into this

[19:19] negotiation

[19:21] and we have been getting a lot of uh

[19:24] emails of people who mistakenly i

[19:27] don't understand

[19:29] that the village just did not have

[19:31] anything to offer really other than

[19:34] the goodwill of oberer

[19:37] or their their interest in being a good

[19:39] neighbor

[19:40] and frankly i cannot think of anyone in

[19:43] the village who could have done a better

[19:44] job than our staff

[19:47] and i'm going to be sarcastic here

[19:50] but if you think you could have done a

[19:52] better job

[19:53] then i suggest you

[19:55] put your name in for one of those

[19:56] positions because if i were one of our

[19:58] staff at this point i might be thinking

[20:00] about working someplace else for more

[20:03] money at a place that appreciated the

[20:05] work that i did

[20:07] so

[20:08] set that emotionality aside

[20:12] my sense is that there have been three

[20:15] groups of people who've been opposing

[20:17] the pud

[20:20] the biggest group i think are people

[20:22] that don't understand

[20:23] that just what i've said that there are

[20:25] two options

[20:27] there's a second group and it's a small

[20:29] group i think who do understand they

[20:32] they understand that

[20:34] the option is a single family

[20:37] subdivision and they prefer that

[20:40] that's cool

[20:42] i i don't that's not what i think but uh

[20:46] i can see i can see some rationale in

[20:48] that decision

[20:50] then there's another group and i don't

[20:52] know how big it is

[20:54] who do understand that there are two

[20:57] options

[20:58] and their strategy

[21:00] is to convince people to oppose the pud

[21:04] and then work to

[21:07] put roadblocks in the way so that oberer

[21:09] cannot do the single-family subdivision

[21:13] and an email that i had from someone in

[21:16] this group sort of says i think sort of

[21:18] what the strategy is

[21:20] slow down the developer make it more

[21:22] difficult

[21:23] more expensive and time consuming

[21:25] consuming

[21:26] increasing the chances that they will

[21:28] sell to a party that actually has love

[21:31] for the village

[21:34] well

[21:36] a party who actually has love for the

[21:38] village already had a chance to buy the

[21:40] property and that party didn't

[21:44] but well whoever that party is or may be

[21:48] i didn't

[21:50] judith hemfling

[21:52] who with her she and i sort of led the

[21:54] community effort to save the white owl

[21:56] farm we didn't do it the village

[21:58] government didn't home inc didn't um the

[22:02] chamber didn't the foundation didn't uh

[22:04] the community development corporation

[22:07] none of us who live in the village who

[22:09] knew that that property was for sale for

[22:11] or was available at any rate sitting

[22:13] there for decades none of us bothered to

[22:16] go around and try and buy it

[22:18] but oberer did

[22:20] so i have a problem

[22:22] with the idea that

[22:25] of trying to put roadblocks and

[22:28] hamper and hassle this process in order

[22:32] to push ober out so that

[22:35] someone else can buy the property we had

[22:37] our chance it's our bad we didn't do it

[22:41] and i have to say that

[22:43] at least max chrome who is leading one

[22:48] of these efforts and i assume dave

[22:49] chappelle

[22:50] is involved in this as well

[22:52] max has said publicly that he's looking

[22:55] out for his business interests and

[22:57] dave's business interests

[22:59] i have asked

[23:01] what is it in their business interest

[23:04] that this

[23:05] development is going to hurt and

[23:08] in the interest of transparency

[23:11] i would like to know but right now we've

[23:13] received one of our council members has

[23:15] received a legal threat from max

[23:18] and now we're being asked

[23:20] on a fishing expedition which is what

[23:22] it's called to send all of our emails

[23:24] from august 1st

[23:26] to

[23:27] max's attorney

[23:30] i just see that as part of this

[23:32] uh harassment in terms of what i think

[23:37] about

[23:38] so the property itself there have been

[23:40] people have talked about the property of

[23:42] screen you know it has a stream in it

[23:44] etc

[23:45] well not everything that's green is a

[23:47] pristine natural property three

[23:50] three-fifths of that property has been

[23:52] farmed with industrial agriculture

[23:54] industrial agriculture is contributing

[23:57] to thirty percent of our greenhouse gas

[23:59] emissions it also has uses fertilizer

[24:03] pesticides herbicides that flow into

[24:05] that creek and that flow into the little

[24:08] miami river so this is this is not like

[24:11] some nature preserve that we're putting

[24:13] housing on the creek itself has been

[24:16] channelized as sort of a creek sort of a

[24:19] drainage ditch

[24:20] has much

[24:23] honeysuckle around it

[24:26] scrub trees it's not exactly a pristine

[24:29] site i will say it has a mother of all

[24:33] oak trees on that

[24:35] site which i will ensure gets preserved

[24:38] and i will be the first person up there

[24:41] if there's any danger for that tree

[24:44] so

[24:45] in closing

[24:46] [Music]

[24:48] we didn't do what we could have done we

[24:50] everyone in this community acquired that

[24:52] property we didn't do it

[24:54] so i want to encourage people rather

[24:56] than trying to stop this project let's

[24:59] do what we can do to make this a great

[25:02] neighborhood for example this could be

[25:04] the first neighborhood in yellow springs

[25:06] that has all natural plants that's a

[25:09] natural habitat neighborhood that would

[25:11] be a first not just in yellow springs

[25:13] but probably in all of ohio

[25:16] so

[25:17] i will end

[25:19] with that

[25:20] thanks

[25:22] okay thank you marianne um all right so

[25:24] we're gonna shift to uh citizen comments

[25:27] and um again using the raise your hand

[25:30] symbol would be the best way for me to

[25:33] be able to recognize who wants to speak

[25:36] and uh i saw matthew kirk's hand go up

[25:38] before we even started so uh matthew

[25:40] i'll begin with you

[25:50] hey how's it going brian

[25:52] good all right i will do my best to uh

[25:54] keep it to two minutes there's a

[25:57] kind of a lot to unpack still

[26:00] um

[26:01] i guess the biggest thing and i want to

[26:03] say you know i was part of the community

[26:05] group that uh worked with cosplay on

[26:07] this project and i was really excited

[26:09] when we first started talking about it

[26:11] and the idea of these duplexes was

[26:12] brought in instead of single family

[26:14] homes because in my mind that meant

[26:16] rental opportunities

[26:18] however once the plan actually was

[26:20] presented my view salaried because what

[26:22] i saw before me we're not duplexes but

[26:25] we're a product that's actually called a

[26:27] twin hole

[26:28] and uh the way this is being set up is

[26:30] these are really functioning as

[26:32] condominiums

[26:34] you know uh the grass is gonna be mowed

[26:36] by the hoa the snow removal is going to

[26:38] be done by the hoa

[26:40] and so just by virtue of including those

[26:43] that property is going to have to have

[26:45] an hoa in perpetuity

[26:47] at no point you know will it be able to

[26:50] kind of fall into the natural fabric of

[26:53] yellow springs

[26:54] um and be have it you know property

[26:57] owners be able to have their own

[26:58] definition of what they want to do there

[27:01] and when you really look at the brass

[27:03] tacks of the project

[27:05] it's roughly the same number of homes

[27:06] roughly the same amount of revenue from

[27:09] a tax perspective

[27:11] um

[27:12] one thing that we're doing though is

[27:14] we're taking a significant portion of

[27:15] the property and allocating it to

[27:18] more of a niche classification

[27:21] where single-family homes 8 out of 10

[27:24] new home buyers that's what they prefer

[27:26] no matter the age range

[27:28] so really that is going to be a more

[27:30] diverse product i think it's going to

[27:32] integrate into the community better in

[27:34] the long term whereas what we're really

[27:36] getting is a single family home

[27:38] development and a condominium

[27:40] development uh right next to each other

[27:42] essentially

[27:43] um and so i think it's important to kind

[27:45] of understand the framing and also

[27:47] understand how those products attract

[27:49] different home buyers

[27:50] and what it is we're trying to attract

[27:52] as we're a community that's trying to

[27:54] get uh younger

[27:56] sorry

[27:58] that's two minutes

[28:00] all right

[28:10] matt met your muted i promise i didn't

[28:12] do

[28:24] [Music]

[28:26] brian i i hear you i see you moving your

[28:29] lips or you're trying to

[28:30] speak

[28:31] shoot sorry yeah um i was saying john

[28:34] phoenix so yes jonphy go ahead

[28:37] okay i had three

[28:40] points of

[28:41] why not to to

[28:43] or why to reject

[28:45] uh the putt

[28:47] but i'ma start out with my solution

[28:49] which i see max is already on to

[28:52] and it is you know to prevent this from

[28:55] happening in the future

[28:57] on other issues as well

[28:59] we should have a uh review of how this

[29:02] plan developed and rolled out with

[29:04] little or no community input

[29:07] because that's why we're at where we're

[29:08] at right now

[29:10] in other words transparency of a process

[29:14] so that's

[29:15] my solution oriented to keep things like

[29:17] this happen because this has happened on

[29:19] other issues

[29:20] selection of the police chief selection

[29:22] committee

[29:23] review of the citizen review board and

[29:26] other things

[29:27] that have been surreptitiously behind

[29:29] doors and then presented to communities

[29:32] uh so transparency process

[29:34] uh reasons

[29:37] this should be rejected because this is

[29:39] it's uh

[29:40] the social normal social economic

[29:43] overlay is just it's

[29:46] is flat out disgusting

[29:49] just because it's small scale is still

[29:51] the type of

[29:53] social engineering of 70 60 years ago

[29:56] where

[29:57] low-income people were were coerced or

[29:59] herded into a certain part of the city

[30:01] into

[30:02] tenements and

[30:04] projects

[30:07] secondly

[30:09] uh it's overly obvious that ysdc has

[30:13] been stroking oberer for months or years

[30:18] for personal reasons

[30:20] of building a personal legacy never

[30:22] minding what the community wants or

[30:24] needs

[30:25] it should be rejected for that alone

[30:29] and

[30:30] finally it's the sole purpose of counsel

[30:33] to do the people's bidding

[30:36] and the people have spoken

[30:39] against the against this seemingly

[30:43] well it's not seemingly it's a cereticis

[30:46] unilateral wet dream of counsel in ysdc

[30:50] so i demand rejection

[30:53] of

[30:53] approving the pud

[30:55] and if i could end with a two-sentence

[30:57] quote

[30:59] judy

[31:01] uh be quick the first man who having

[31:03] fenced in a piece of land said this is

[31:06] mine and found people naive enough to

[31:08] believe him that man was the true

[31:10] founder of civil society

[31:13] from how many crimes wars murders from

[31:15] how many

[31:17] and misfortunes might not anyone have

[31:20] saved mankind

[31:22] by pulling up those stakes and filling

[31:24] in that ditch and crying to fellow

[31:27] humans beware of listening to this

[31:30] impostor you are undone

[31:33] if you once forget that the fruits of

[31:35] the earth belong to us all

[31:37] equally and the earth's the earth itself

[31:40] to no one

[31:42] jean jacques rousseau

[31:44] thank you

[31:47] okay uh thank you jonphy i do want to

[31:49] speak to transparency uh matthew kirk

[31:51] did highlight that we had a citizen

[31:54] group

[31:55] um and i think most people that are

[31:58] familiar with development projects know

[32:00] that some negotiations do not happen in

[32:03] public but we've had a lot of public

[32:05] process all right i saw lisa able next

[32:13] all right um

[32:14] i just had a question maybe brian you

[32:16] can address this which is how did ysdc

[32:19] get thrown under the bus with this

[32:20] project

[32:21] we're not we're not at all related to it

[32:23] anyway yeah have no idea

[32:26] i wanted to take just a minute to

[32:28] explain

[32:29] um what i know about groundwater in in

[32:33] the area of uh of the development

[32:36] in 2001 i worked for

[32:38] ysi and i was the project manager of the

[32:42] groundwater contamination project ysi

[32:46] and

[32:48] i learned some things about groundwater

[32:51] contamination and about

[32:53] soil contamination

[32:55] the first thing i learned is that soil

[32:56] doesn't move

[32:58] uh especially when it's underneath the

[33:01] surface

[33:02] and so what happens is if soil gets

[33:04] contaminated

[33:06] um

[33:07] what happens to the contamination is it

[33:09] moves via water

[33:12] so

[33:13] rain flows through the soil

[33:16] water flows down until it hits something

[33:20] and then it starts to move in the

[33:21] direction of ground

[33:23] water

[33:25] so that's how it happens everywhere in

[33:28] this particular part of of the village

[33:33] that layer of rock that the groundwater

[33:37] hits is generally

[33:39] 10 to 20 feet

[33:40] below the surface

[33:42] uh

[33:43] and that's and then below that is a is a

[33:45] limestone aquifer that's somewhere

[33:48] around uh 40 to

[33:51] maybe 50 feet 30 to 50 feet down

[33:55] most folks in the region who are on

[33:57] groundwater

[33:59] get their groundwater

[34:01] their drinking water through a wealthy

[34:03] drill that's in that first limestone

[34:05] aquifer

[34:07] so when ysi had this contamination

[34:09] project

[34:10] we drilled i don't know dozens of wells

[34:13] at various levels that shallow

[34:16] intermediate and deep

[34:18] to hit all the aquifers to try to figure

[34:20] out where the groundwater contamination

[34:23] was

[34:24] the sources were at ysi

[34:28] and um

[34:30] and residential wells that were in this

[34:33] region were also used as part of trying

[34:36] to delineate where these plumes were

[34:41] um

[34:42] so i guess if

[34:44] what my point is if there was a dump

[34:47] that contained anything that would have

[34:50] impacted

[34:51] groundwater in terms of contaminants

[34:53] that that are drinking water standard

[34:56] issues for epa

[34:58] those contaminants would have been found

[35:00] during the 20 years that ysi was

[35:03] monitoring wells and they were not

[35:06] and if there had been

[35:08] say the same chemicals but in a

[35:10] different quantity at that site the

[35:13] oversight

[35:15] there would have been a spike in the in

[35:17] the downstream wells

[35:19] that would have indicated hey there's

[35:22] something else going on that's not at

[35:24] ysi it's between ysi and this well

[35:27] and those spikes were also not found in

[35:30] the groundwater wells

[35:32] so anyway those are the couple things i

[35:35] just wanted to to let you all know about

[35:37] a little bit of history from 20 some

[35:39] years ago

[35:41] all right thank you very much lisa um i

[35:44] saw johnny dredd next

[35:50] all right

[35:55] can you hear me i'm unmuted can you hear

[35:57] me anybody

[35:59] yeah okay okay i'm sorry to make this

[36:01] quick mr house i want to say last

[36:03] weekend i think it was our last village

[36:04] meeting it was three minutes and now

[36:06] it's two minutes i prepared a three

[36:07] minute thing so if you just give me a

[36:09] second i promise no personal attacks

[36:11] just i'm not anywhere else with my own

[36:13] house i want to start now i want to

[36:15] start by saying i got to make this quick

[36:17] oh this sucks i'm a resident i'm a

[36:19] single father i'm a renter here for

[36:22] nearly 15 years just this year i was

[36:24] able to afford to buy a house in the

[36:26] village yay when i moved to town i did

[36:29] so because it was a diverse it was a

[36:31] multifarious it was a liberal community

[36:34] and it was the only place that i felt

[36:35] safe being a black single father raising

[36:38] bi-racial kids my kids started at mills

[36:40] lawn and they're in uh they're in the

[36:42] high school now

[36:43] and when i moved here i was welcomed by

[36:45] an artistic a musical and an

[36:47] intellectual community they've helped

[36:49] raise my kids and it's the same

[36:50] community that times helped me pay my

[36:52] village utility bills

[36:54] um and the community that i knew then

[36:57] has slowly been priced out i was shocked

[37:00] when i heard of this like tikitaliki

[37:03] development being presented on outskirts

[37:05] of town and to be honest i was a little

[37:07] embarrassed

[37:08] i felt like

[37:09] you guys went behind her back she

[37:11] developed it for a year and i didn't

[37:13] have any input

[37:15] and it's kind of too late i'm sorry but

[37:17] it's a little too late to recommend that

[37:19] we do a better job or that you guys were

[37:21] surmising you could have done a better

[37:23] job because you did it without our input

[37:26] and that's that's offensive to me i i

[37:28] feel upset about that

[37:29] so the other thing is i've been watching

[37:32] the conversation develop into one that's

[37:33] like

[37:34] divisive and it's overbearingly been

[37:37] lost in the minutia of this like faux

[37:39] immediacy or codes or environmental

[37:42] impact and i feel like this isn't an

[37:44] instance of us looking a gift horse

[37:47] in the mouth but it's more like checking

[37:49] the inside of like a trojan horse before

[37:51] it comes into our city you know

[37:53] [Music]

[37:54] uh really quick the elephant in the room

[37:57] it seems that nobody wants to uh discuss

[38:00] the opinion or the influence of mr

[38:02] chappelle and i'll be honest i'm not a

[38:04] friend of his i've never been to his

[38:06] house i don't have his phone number okay

[38:09] but i do recall him mentioning that if

[38:10] he were to

[38:12] if we were to uh move forward with this

[38:14] project that he would he would pull out

[38:16] of his holdings in the village and i've

[38:18] gotta ask like i've been to juke joints

[38:21] i've been to summer camps we've closed

[38:23] we as a village have closed off the

[38:24] streets for his concerts his cultural

[38:27] infusion into this town has been

[38:29] long-standing we've been international

[38:31] guests grace our village i've seen him

[38:34] raise and champion our villagers

[38:37] uh

[38:39] and it's not because he needs to

[38:41] it's not because he economically needs

[38:43] to do this stuff

[38:45] it's not something the the issues that

[38:46] we've had can be just fixed by hanging a

[38:48] black lives matter's flag over 68 and i

[38:51] i'd i'd be foolish to say if it wasn't

[38:54] dave's influence mr chappelle's

[38:55] influence doesn't bring some villagers

[38:57] or outside of towners to town uh and

[39:00] from the outside like i said

[39:02] he doesn't need us

[39:04] right he's here because he loves it

[39:06] but now what is it

[39:09] no it's not been it's only been two it's

[39:10] only been two let me just speak for a

[39:12] little more i don't ask we do have to

[39:15] move on but thank you i i think you made

[39:17] uh all right i'll raise my hand if i can

[39:18] come back maybe later at the end i

[39:20] appreciate it thank you very much i

[39:22] respectfully appreciate you guys thank

[39:23] you

[39:24] okay um i

[39:27] saw the mills park ballroom next and i

[39:31] guess let's just be clear on

[39:33] who's speaking um

[39:35] so

[39:36] i can go ahead and mike on

[39:49] all right

[39:59] okay uh

[40:02] are you guys miking on

[40:05] oh i gotta

[40:07] okay we can hear you now max

[40:12] you can hear us

[40:13] yeah

[40:15] okay thank you please don't count that

[40:17] against my two minutes

[40:20] um

[40:21] first marianne there's way more than two

[40:23] options there's an infinite number of

[40:25] options um even what's in front of you

[40:28] today there's at least four there's

[40:30] approve deny approve with conditions and

[40:32] table it that's at least four

[40:34] if you deny

[40:36] or table it that opens up the rest of

[40:39] the world possible

[40:40] there's not just two possibilities um

[40:43] i'm not in any of the groups that you

[40:45] mentioned um i'm in a group

[40:48] of one

[40:49] someone who has 30 years of experience

[40:51] in projects just like this who really

[40:53] knows how to read the code and who has

[40:55] some other ideas i'm respected all over

[40:57] the country from ideas about this but

[40:59] the door has been slammed in my face in

[41:02] yellow springs my whole town i don't

[41:03] know why

[41:05] i got an attorney because brian house

[41:07] kept implying that i was being dishonest

[41:09] with my underlying intentions that i was

[41:11] spreading misinformation

[41:12] i have to protect my very very valuable

[41:15] reputation that's why i got an attorney

[41:18] i don't want to sue anybody i don't want

[41:19] to hurt anybody in this town i'm here

[41:21] because i love this town i want to make

[41:22] this a better place

[41:24] i i've withdrawn any threat of suing

[41:26] brian but i asked stop calling the

[41:29] things that i say misinformation when

[41:32] you you're not going to need what that

[41:33] misinformation is if i'm wrong about

[41:35] something let me know we'll straighten

[41:37] it out

[41:39] um

[41:41] oh

[41:42] [Music]

[41:44] can you hear me

[41:46] yes okay

[41:49] so

[41:50] uh

[41:52] lisa i want to say i have experience

[41:53] with the ysi balloon too

[41:55] i grew up between ys science development

[41:58] and i drank that painted water for 18

[42:00] years okay i know all about it so it's

[42:03] extremely offensive to me when you try

[42:06] to sweep my environmental concerns under

[42:08] the rugs

[42:09] there was a dump there guys let's just

[42:12] accept that fact i asked you to call mr

[42:14] strewing and just ask them but no one's

[42:16] taking the trouble to do that

[42:18] um

[42:20] for decades

[42:21] our village council

[42:23] has held the line they've stopped the

[42:25] minutes

[42:26] [Music]

[42:27] they've stopped development in this town

[42:30] why won't you

[42:32] okay thanks max

[42:35] um all right i saw ellis jacobs next

[42:41] thanks hi um can you hear me okay here

[42:45] we go yeah

[42:46] okay good uh it's always an interesting

[42:48] discussion and i'm always thrilled to be

[42:49] at meetings with fellow villagers that

[42:51] have strong opinions and express them so

[42:53] well

[42:54] um

[42:55] affordable housing is a critical need in

[42:58] our community and i really wish this

[43:00] proposal

[43:01] in the pud had more of it

[43:05] but i know the council has strongly

[43:07] supported

[43:08] initiatives for affordable housing in

[43:10] this town for the last several years and

[43:12] really for quite a while

[43:14] and so i would

[43:16] i think it's

[43:17] i believe that that our staff people who

[43:20] negotiated with uber knew that and made

[43:22] their best effort to try to come out of

[43:24] this negotiation

[43:26] with ober

[43:27] uh with some affordable housing and they

[43:30] did get some stuff some things that i

[43:33] think would be valuable they are in fact

[43:35] valuable for our community i think

[43:37] marianne said it correctly that they

[43:39] went into the negotiations we

[43:41] went into this negotiations with way

[43:44] less leverage

[43:46] than i wish we had than we should have

[43:49] had and in fact we got to fix it we got

[43:51] to figure out why we had so little

[43:52] leverage and we got to fix that into the

[43:55] future

[43:57] but i'm concerned and i've listened

[44:00] carefully to the people that are

[44:01] opposing this pud i'm concerned that i'm

[44:04] not hearing a viable strategy to get a

[44:07] better result

[44:08] what i'm hearing is a strategy that will

[44:10] probably

[44:11] most likely end up with us getting a

[44:14] large development of single-family only

[44:17] residents that cost a lot of money

[44:20] and so in the absence of

[44:24] something better

[44:25] i think we need to look seriously at

[44:28] what's on offer and we need to tell

[44:30] ourselves that we're going to fix the

[44:32] problem that

[44:34] resulted in us having so little leverage

[44:36] so with apologies to our avian friends

[44:39] i'll say sometimes a burden of hand is

[44:42] better than two in the bush

[44:46] okay thank you ellis

[44:48] all right um john hempflink

[44:55] hi

[44:56] um

[44:57] thank you

[44:58] uh yeah what i wanted to say was i think

[45:01] very similar to uh what else said

[45:05] that basically

[45:06] um

[45:07] clearly under the pud

[45:09] uh the village will

[45:12] get some land um

[45:14] donated to the village um to develop

[45:16] affordable housing on um

[45:20] and

[45:26] sorry

[45:28] i guess you know listening to what

[45:30] council has said so far you know i've

[45:32] definitely heard um support for

[45:34] affordable housing occurring on

[45:36] um at that land so

[45:39] um i think that that you know explains

[45:41] um some of the support on council for

[45:44] the pud application um there's and also

[45:47] i've heard um some concerns about

[45:49] gentrification occurring due to the

[45:51] development

[45:52] and between um the pud and the parallel

[45:54] plan

[45:55] um it seems obvious that the parallel

[45:58] plan would result arguably

[46:00] proportionately more gentrification

[46:02] since you would only since it wouldn't

[46:04] contain no affordable housing um i

[46:06] haven't heard council express any

[46:08] concern any

[46:10] sort of desire for single family housing

[46:12] over duplexes and townhouses or over a

[46:14] park or over

[46:18] the affordable housing

[46:22] and so

[46:23] i guess that's a good reason to feel

[46:25] like

[46:27] council and maybe most the community

[46:29] actually prefers the beauty over the

[46:30] parallel plan

[46:32] um

[46:33] and if council sort of disagrees with

[46:35] their own lawyers

[46:37] basically legal view

[46:39] that

[46:40] if this if the pd is rejected then the

[46:43] parallel plan um will move forward i

[46:45] guess i just urge those council members

[46:47] to move to table to get other legal

[46:50] advice if they doubt their own lawyer's

[46:52] view

[46:53] although i suppose that that would only

[46:55] just be like a

[46:56] necessary but not

[46:58] sufficient condition so i should have

[47:00] prepared more

[47:01] for opposing the pud um because arguably

[47:05] even with um

[47:07] more time and slightly more leverage

[47:08] it's still a little bit questionable

[47:09] whether the village really could get a

[47:11] better plan um

[47:15] thank you

[47:17] all right thanks john

[47:18] um amy walmsley

[47:28] okay amy i think you're on okay sorry

[47:31] i'm

[47:31] struggling apparently okay here we go

[47:34] good evening my name is amy wamsley and

[47:36] i'm speaking as a concerned community

[47:38] member not as a member of the arts and

[47:39] culture commission or any other

[47:40] organization in which i am affiliated i

[47:43] want to thank all of you for your

[47:44] service to our village a village that

[47:45] prides itself on activism fighting for

[47:47] the truth transparency equity and

[47:49] diversity unfortunately with due all due

[47:51] respect i am finding that the process in

[47:53] communication around the pud has not

[47:55] been representative of our village the

[47:57] faq came out almost a month after a

[47:59] council member requested it

[48:01] um

[48:03] and uses the voice of ober and some of

[48:05] the questions are not completed for

[48:07] example question number nine

[48:08] specifically states side loaded garages

[48:10] are a popular feature in many of our

[48:13] subdivisions and question number four

[48:16] was not fully answered the answer only

[48:17] refers to the pud zoning and not the ra

[48:19] zoning as requested from a citizen's

[48:21] perspective how can council make an

[48:23] unbiased educated decision when the

[48:25] requested faq by council does not give

[48:28] the entire picture of the questions that

[48:31] are not fully answered how can villagers

[48:32] have confidence in a document that lacks

[48:34] detail and clearly appears one-sided to

[48:37] the pud in the voice of ober question

[48:39] 30's response under cluster development

[48:41] in the remaining area or open space

[48:43] needs to be large enough to have an

[48:46] economic use or be accepted as part of

[48:48] the park or other maintained or

[48:49] preserved open space if this site were

[48:51] clustered onto a small site the

[48:53] resulting open space would not be large

[48:55] enough for that use a clear cut nine

[48:58] acres of trees was approved nine acres

[49:00] is not only enough to be a park it is

[49:02] what is it is what the comprehensive

[49:04] plan actually requires with the pud of

[49:06] this size when looking at the comp plan

[49:08] and mentions moving senior houser closer

[49:10] to the downtown area for walkability

[49:12] accessibility

[49:13] now we are being sold housing as

[49:16] potential retiree housing so far out of

[49:18] town it will be on property that we

[49:20] annexed i'm generally concerned that

[49:22] there is a consideration to put the work

[49:24] that defines the village of yellow

[49:25] springs to the side for what seems to be

[49:28] mostly 1.75 acres and some playground

[49:31] equipment playground equipment that is

[49:33] being placed next to a drowning hazard

[49:34] for children which by the way approving

[49:37] with modifications could not change

[49:39] where that playground equipment is

[49:41] placed the village celebrates those

[49:44] governmental agencies accountable

[49:45] therefore i am asking that council

[49:47] either request a postponement until you

[49:49] receive the information that you need or

[49:51] request

[49:52] uh a request and requested or vote no

[49:54] against the pud proposal thank you

[49:57] all right thank you amy

[49:59] um

[50:00] e fleck

[50:06] hello um my name is eve fleck i live on

[50:09] the corner of randall road and margaret

[50:10] drive i've lived here since 1987 and

[50:14] i've been active in the village in lots

[50:16] of ways

[50:17] the affordable housing will be directly

[50:20] behind my house and the side of my house

[50:23] and i just want to say that i'm in favor

[50:25] of that i look over the plan i don't

[50:27] really want to see

[50:29] all giant single-family homes and i've

[50:33] also heard from some retirees

[50:35] that they would like to have some sort

[50:37] of condominium option which is why park

[50:39] meadows is often very popular that they

[50:42] don't want to be shoveling snow or

[50:44] living in a four bedroom house but

[50:46] anyway i wish the poud was different i

[50:48] wish it were better i wish it were more

[50:50] to my liking but this is what we have

[50:52] and in

[50:53] that sense i'm

[50:54] i'm in favor i want to see some

[50:56] affordable housing

[51:00] thank you

[51:04] um

[51:05] diane chitister

[51:11] hi good to see everybody um i'm a

[51:14] 40-year resident of yellow springs and

[51:17] as

[51:18] in my previous job at the yellow springs

[51:20] news i covered a whole bunch of village

[51:22] council meetings

[51:24] and covered things like the bow and

[51:26] housing needs study

[51:28] and i'm i'm for the pud i i hope console

[51:32] approves of it

[51:34] my work covering console convinced me

[51:36] that the village definitely needs more

[51:38] housing of diverse kinds diverse prices

[51:42] diverse sizes and critically needs

[51:45] affordable housing and the pud provides

[51:49] takes us down the road toward meeting

[51:51] these needs it provides some of this far

[51:54] more than residents say which only

[51:57] provides

[51:58] one kind of housing uh big houses big

[52:01] lots

[52:02] and my understanding is that's the only

[52:03] other option other than the pud so

[52:06] definitely i'm i'm supporting the pud

[52:09] a lot of the opposition toward the

[52:11] project comes from neighbors and that's

[52:13] understandable neighbors have

[52:16] have legitimate interest

[52:18] but those interests are not the same as

[52:20] the interests of the community as a

[52:22] whole

[52:23] and it seems to me that the pud does

[52:26] meet the needs the interest of the

[52:28] community as a whole

[52:29] so i urge consul to vote for it

[52:32] that's all

[52:33] all right thank you diane

[52:36] um kate hamilton

[52:40] hi thanks um

[52:43] president grew up here moved away

[52:47] came back to raise our children here

[52:50] um when we were looking for a home about

[52:52] nine years ago we were unable to find

[52:54] one

[52:55] so we ended up building in birch three

[52:58] which i never planned on building a

[53:00] house i this used to be a field

[53:03] but it was all that was available

[53:05] basically at that point

[53:07] i remember asking my developer

[53:09] why don't you build some duplexes in the

[53:11] middle part there was this like island

[53:14] that my kids called

[53:15] coop island because people walked their

[53:17] dogs there and didn't clean up after it

[53:19] anyways

[53:20] um he said oh well you know we wanted to

[53:23] do that and we tried to do that

[53:25] but the neighbors were opposed to it

[53:28] and so i recently read a news article

[53:31] back in

[53:32] 2008 this happened before i had moved

[53:34] here

[53:36] and sure enough yeah neighbors didn't

[53:38] want it they didn't want

[53:41] that look they didn't want their

[53:42] property values to go down i do think

[53:45] that some of the neighbors speaking out

[53:47] against this

[53:50] subdivision are worried about the

[53:52] property values and they need to be

[53:53] honest about that

[53:55] um

[53:56] i support the pud i think we need a

[53:59] diversity of types of housing

[54:02] and

[54:03] being a person that lives around a bunch

[54:05] of big houses

[54:07] this this doesn't represent what most of

[54:10] our community looks like

[54:12] um

[54:12] yeah i support it

[54:14] and it's i'd rather stay a field with

[54:17] deer frolicking and all of that you know

[54:19] and i'd like to be 35 years old again

[54:21] but this is our reality and our staff

[54:26] and our village manager have worked

[54:28] extremely hard to make the best out of

[54:30] this situation

[54:32] thanks

[54:34] all right thank you kate

[54:36] um

[54:36] jamie fine

[54:39] oh my god

[54:42] hi all thank you for the opportunity to

[54:44] comment um i'm visiting briefly from

[54:47] california my name is jamie fine i'm the

[54:49] son of joan fine who lives on east

[54:51] limestone street where i grew up

[54:54] i wanted to let you know that i spent

[54:57] time playing in that land with max and i

[55:01] do recall that that was a garbage dump

[55:03] we used to collect garbage and make

[55:04] flotation devices and max used to try to

[55:07] convince me to get on those flotation

[55:08] devices in that pond

[55:11] i think um what i'm hearing and seeing

[55:14] is

[55:15] that

[55:15] there's a real need to slow down and

[55:17] allow for more more investigation

[55:20] further deliberation and more of this

[55:22] civic discourse that yellow springs is

[55:24] known for

[55:25] um i um

[55:27] i do recognize there's a need for

[55:29] additional site assessment due to the

[55:32] proximity of groundwater contamination

[55:34] the history of the site being used as a

[55:36] dump and what i can see is an incomplete

[55:39] evaluation of the environmental

[55:41] attributes and potential for sensitive

[55:43] habitat

[55:44] i do want you to know that i'm a senior

[55:46] economist at environmental defense fund

[55:48] where i've worked on environmental

[55:49] policy and advocacy for over 30 years i

[55:52] took a look at the overall proposal on

[55:54] the 366 page proposal because i was

[55:56] particularly interested in what the

[55:58] fiscal impacts of the proposed project

[56:00] which adds 10 of population to the

[56:02] community are going to be and how those

[56:04] are going to be mitigated and i really

[56:06] didn't find anything so uh council

[56:08] craiger i understand that's one of the

[56:10] questions you have and with a little

[56:12] more time and more investigation i'd be

[56:14] happy to offer my help in understanding

[56:16] those potential impacts and how we can

[56:18] mitigate them

[56:20] with more deliberation we can use what

[56:22] we have as a community and that's time

[56:24] and leverage

[56:26] we can see that leverage in the room

[56:27] today thank you very much

[56:30] okay thank you jamie

[56:32] um okay

[56:34] uh next i see eric oberg

[56:41] thank you

[56:43] okay hold on a second um

[56:46] okay so

[56:47] uh

[56:49] watch party guys um you need to figure

[56:51] out a way to mute yourselves or i guess

[56:53] otherwise leave the meeting and come

[56:55] back

[56:56] um so

[56:59] okay

[57:00] so eric go ahead yeah i just i i wasn't

[57:03] going to make a comment tonight but i

[57:04] just i wanted to point out something

[57:06] that i heard that i

[57:08] i guess i i want to hope that it's not

[57:10] what somebody meant but i heard a

[57:12] comment from the ballroom that

[57:14] decades of village councils have stopped

[57:17] development

[57:18] and we hope that this council will stop

[57:21] development too

[57:22] i kind of want to point out that the

[57:24] fact that we stopped development for

[57:25] decades is why we're in the problem we

[57:28] have with a lack of housing a lack of

[57:29] diversity and a lack of availability so

[57:33] if that's really the stance of a large

[57:35] group of people in this town that come

[57:37] hell or high water we want all

[57:38] development stopped i would love that to

[57:40] just be said honestly

[57:42] but i heard the statement i hope it was

[57:45] wrong

[57:46] thank you

[57:47] all right thanks eric

[57:49] uh judith hemphlay

[57:56] uh hello there

[57:57] can you hear me brian yeah you can't yes

[58:00] okay i just want to say you know i think

[58:03] every council member

[58:05] ran on a platform of affordable housing

[58:10] i believe as marianne said there are two

[58:14] choices we can have our a and i think

[58:16] that will start probably around four

[58:19] hundred thousand dollars per home

[58:21] or we can have a pud where we will where

[58:25] the village council where the village

[58:27] will

[58:28] be donated

[58:30] almost two acres of land where 20 to 28

[58:33] units of affordable housing

[58:36] can be built it will be donated for

[58:39] affordable housing

[58:41] council members have ran on

[58:44] a support of affordable housing

[58:47] the ra will provide no affordable

[58:49] housing

[58:51] i'm very much with ellis

[58:53] jacobs

[58:54] i'm very much with people who want more

[58:56] diversity in this community

[59:00] the affordable housing can be affordable

[59:03] to the people that the

[59:05] village

[59:06] council can work

[59:08] you know that the village council wants

[59:10] to serve you guys get to decide

[59:13] [Music]

[59:14] if you want it for people very low

[59:16] income

[59:17] per the federal

[59:18] uh

[59:19] guidelines on affordable housing you

[59:21] know a little higher income modest

[59:23] income

[59:24] but a lot of the affordable permanently

[59:26] affordable housing in the village is

[59:28] serving

[59:29] people with low

[59:31] to very modest income

[59:33] i don't see how r.a gets us what i had

[59:37] understood when i voted for several of

[59:39] you guys

[59:40] i don't think it it gets us affordable

[59:42] housing that you had committed to so i

[59:45] urge you to

[59:47] stick to your commitments

[59:49] um

[59:50] and please do vote for this pud

[59:53] thank you

[59:54] all right thank you

[59:56] uh patrick lake

[1:00:12] patrick are you uh able to mic on

[1:00:20] i don't really see anything okay there

[1:00:24] we go all right patrick

[1:00:28] okay but we cannot hear you

[1:00:34] it looks like he's on as an individual

[1:00:36] and in the ballroom

[1:00:38] oh i see okay

[1:00:40] all right

[1:00:41] patrick try to mike on now

[1:00:46] i'm gonna have a bunch of feedback can

[1:00:48] you unmute the ballroom so i can speak

[1:00:50] their place

[1:00:53] uh

[1:00:54] sure uh whoever can unmute the ballroom

[1:01:01] thank you

[1:01:03] okay brian can you hear me we can

[1:01:06] okay excellent speak right into it

[1:01:09] uh council members and my fellow young

[1:01:12] springers

[1:01:13] our council seems trigger-ready to set a

[1:01:15] dangerous precedent

[1:01:17] passing this dud will begin the erosion

[1:01:19] of cultural diversity and our uniqueness

[1:01:22] the exact thing that has drawn and held

[1:01:24] yellow springers to this place the place

[1:01:26] we all love

[1:01:28] are we ready to welcome panera bread

[1:01:30] walmart and cracker barrel next

[1:01:33] whether for or against this pud there is

[1:01:35] so much that we all agree on here we

[1:01:38] want to see why us grow

[1:01:40] we want to see increased access to

[1:01:41] affordable rentals we want to see

[1:01:44] preservation of green natural and

[1:01:46] important spaces and we want to see that

[1:01:48] anything that is done here

[1:01:50] meets our quirky needs and values

[1:01:53] we hope the council will stand with us

[1:01:55] and push back against this development

[1:01:57] i'm heartened that sugar creek township

[1:01:59] leaders felt empowered by their

[1:02:02] community's visioning documents and

[1:02:03] comprehensive land use plan and

[1:02:05] emboldened by the support of their

[1:02:07] residents to stand up to ober and fight

[1:02:09] for a development that adheres to their

[1:02:11] values it's a fight that continues

[1:02:14] i urge council to stand up for us

[1:02:17] this does not adhere to our values and

[1:02:20] if you will not listen to us i will be

[1:02:21] fully supporting the referendum to

[1:02:23] overturn this terrible decision for our

[1:02:25] community

[1:02:26] more retirees and less jobs will not

[1:02:28] sustain our community past the next

[1:02:30] decade as jobs leave so will young

[1:02:33] people eventually so will our schools

[1:02:36] i don't want to see yellow springs die

[1:02:38] with my parents generation

[1:02:40] i'm sorry that our council lacks the

[1:02:42] vision to see the significant and

[1:02:44] damaging effects passing the pud would

[1:02:46] have but i stand ready to overturn their

[1:02:48] decision with my fellow community

[1:02:50] members because i will fight to keep

[1:02:52] yellow springs weird and vibrant full

[1:02:54] stop

[1:02:55] let's go

[1:02:56] [Applause]

[1:02:58] okay thank you patrick

[1:03:03] next we've got um

[1:03:05] matt rasca

[1:03:15] i would like to pass sorry

[1:03:17] okay

[1:03:18] all right um

[1:03:23] see okay so i don't see any hands up all

[1:03:25] right so what

[1:03:27] i am going to oh no here's i see dino

[1:03:30] and then matthew

[1:03:33] patricia brown

[1:03:35] that as well all right so let's let's

[1:03:37] put on dino and then we'll get to pat

[1:03:40] next

[1:03:51] okay dino you should be able to mic on

[1:04:02] okay there you go thank you

[1:04:05] members of council

[1:04:07] if you're going to attempt to pass

[1:04:09] this beauty then for the good of the

[1:04:11] village and the safety of the village

[1:04:13] add the phase to study as a modification

[1:04:16] with respect to the dump in the former

[1:04:18] ysi plume

[1:04:21] council person krieger

[1:04:23] we've all read your emails saying that

[1:04:25] you are fearful that oberor will pull

[1:04:26] the pud if you put a

[1:04:29] modification on it

[1:04:31] let me be first to say ober is a big

[1:04:34] company and they can make their own

[1:04:36] decisions you don't need to make that

[1:04:37] for them

[1:04:39] ober does this for a living and a phase

[1:04:41] two study is nothing new to them

[1:04:44] in the same token we need our council to

[1:04:47] make decisions in our best interest

[1:04:50] however from your email you're voting

[1:04:52] from a position of fear

[1:04:54] for almost the entire last two years you

[1:04:57] have not held in person council meetings

[1:04:59] due to covet you did for a moment and

[1:05:01] then you went back to zoom

[1:05:03] and you've you've uh demanded that

[1:05:05] central businesses be matched up you

[1:05:08] stated it was for the safety of you and

[1:05:10] the villagers

[1:05:11] however

[1:05:12] when it comes to the uber project you're

[1:05:14] looking the other way by not placing a

[1:05:16] phase two study on the pud

[1:05:19] you're disregarding the safety of the

[1:05:20] village and its people the consistency

[1:05:23] here is your inconsistency

[1:05:26] operating and voting from a position of

[1:05:28] fear is not good leadership rather let's

[1:05:32] vote from a position of strength and put

[1:05:34] our safety first by adding the phase two

[1:05:36] modification

[1:05:38] do the right thing for the safety of our

[1:05:39] village please

[1:05:40] thank you

[1:05:42] okay thank you dino

[1:05:44] um all right pat

[1:05:48] brown no

[1:05:51] hey we can hear you

[1:05:54] i wanted to say a couple things one is

[1:05:57] we desperately

[1:05:59] need

[1:06:00] housing in yellow springs

[1:06:03] there are very very few lots available

[1:06:06] our school system will be in trouble in

[1:06:09] a few years if we do not have more

[1:06:11] housing we have if we have more people

[1:06:14] students coming from outside than inside

[1:06:17] we will be in trouble we need housing

[1:06:20] this plan with the pud

[1:06:22] provides

[1:06:24] both single-family homes which probably

[1:06:26] will have children in them maybe seniors

[1:06:29] too

[1:06:30] it also provides uh the townhouses where

[1:06:33] people can buy two of them and rent one

[1:06:36] out if they want i know a couple people

[1:06:38] would love to do that

[1:06:40] uh it provides especially

[1:06:42] more affordable housing which we need

[1:06:45] the pued is the best plan we get and i

[1:06:48] thank the village for working so hard

[1:06:51] with ober to come up with a plan that is

[1:06:55] going to provide us housing it's not a

[1:06:57] perfect plan but what option do we have

[1:06:59] a or pud

[1:07:02] i say do pud we need it it's not going

[1:07:05] to hurt us i live in a pud now we have

[1:07:08] very expensive houses we have home ink

[1:07:11] houses we have medium houses we all get

[1:07:13] along and we all love each other you

[1:07:15] don't have to have us segregated

[1:07:18] a community that has all of this stuff

[1:07:22] is much better than one that has only

[1:07:24] one little part of it

[1:07:26] vote for the pud please

[1:07:28] okay thank you pat

[1:07:30] um all right so i wanna take a minute to

[1:07:34] uh clarify one thing um and just make it

[1:07:38] super clear and i appreciate that lisa

[1:07:40] abel brought it up the yellow springs

[1:07:42] development corporation

[1:07:44] has nothing to do with this project

[1:07:48] that being brought up is

[1:07:51] completely misinformed and so i want to

[1:07:53] be really clear that

[1:07:55] bringing other groups into this is not

[1:07:57] appropriate and

[1:08:00] second thing i'm going to say is that

[1:08:02] since i was specifically called out

[1:08:05] um

[1:08:06] i have never said that anyone is

[1:08:08] intentionally misinforming but as an

[1:08:11] elected official

[1:08:12] who represents this village

[1:08:15] when there is information that is not

[1:08:17] correct i need to call that out and um

[1:08:21] that i think is is

[1:08:22] my role it's council's role and i will

[1:08:25] continue to do that but that should not

[1:08:27] be conflated into suggesting that i'm

[1:08:30] accusing anyone of doing anything

[1:08:32] purposefully

[1:08:33] um

[1:08:34] but we can only make good decisions if

[1:08:36] we have accurate information

[1:08:39] all right so here's what i'm going to do

[1:08:40] um i am going to give matthew kirk one

[1:08:43] more minute

[1:08:44] exactly i'm going to give johnny dredd

[1:08:46] one more minute and then we'll figure

[1:08:48] out

[1:08:49] um who else is talking at the watch

[1:08:52] party

[1:08:53] um and then we'll start to uh

[1:08:56] move towards um the decision making

[1:08:59] okay so matthew kirk got one minute

[1:09:08] all right we got matthew

[1:09:10] we giving him the ability to mic on

[1:09:17] there we go matthew go

[1:09:18] ahead yeah so i want to talk about how

[1:09:22] going with the aria development would

[1:09:24] actually affect uh affordability in the

[1:09:26] village the reality is right now there's

[1:09:28] so much scarcity in the housing market

[1:09:31] that every house in 150 to 250 000 price

[1:09:34] range is basically getting scooped up by

[1:09:37] somebody who's an all-cash buyer can

[1:09:39] come in do significant improvements to

[1:09:41] the house either flip it or make it into

[1:09:43] their forever home

[1:09:44] right

[1:09:45] by making this all single family homes

[1:09:47] now we're giving a new

[1:09:49] brand new product those same people that

[1:09:51] have the funds to come into the village

[1:09:54] so hopefully this will free up

[1:09:56] more of those houses in the 150 to 250

[1:09:59] 000 price range for people who want to

[1:10:02] buy them because let's be honest there's

[1:10:04] a lot of houses in yellow springs that

[1:10:06] sell for a lot more than they would in

[1:10:08] other communities so if we have more of

[1:10:10] a modern housing stock

[1:10:12] that is going to attract people who want

[1:10:15] nobody wants to go through like a six

[1:10:17] month to one year renovation that's not

[1:10:20] like an awesome thing when you're like

[1:10:21] looking to move somewhere

[1:10:23] you know so i think that we're

[1:10:26] underselling how much the ra development

[1:10:28] actually contributes to affordability

[1:10:30] thank you

[1:10:32] okay thanks matthew thanks matthew

[1:10:35] all right

[1:10:36] johnny

[1:10:37] respectfully i appreciate you guys for

[1:10:39] giving me the time i just want to say

[1:10:41] that uh i'm of the opinion the red pill

[1:10:44] the blue pill we're offered are both not

[1:10:45] great options i do feel like we've got

[1:10:48] enough intelligence among the council

[1:10:51] uh that that that built this plan and

[1:10:53] you guys said it yourself during covid

[1:10:55] you know behind closed doors without us

[1:10:57] knowing i think we have enough uh uh

[1:10:59] intelligence among us and among the

[1:11:01] villagers that if you guys just listen

[1:11:04] to what people are saying there's a lot

[1:11:05] of opposition but there's not opposition

[1:11:07] against the pud it's against the way

[1:11:09] that it's being presented i think we can

[1:11:11] do better we all know that we can do

[1:11:13] better there's so much intelligence in

[1:11:15] this community we can come up with a

[1:11:16] better plan or something that's better

[1:11:18] for all of us and and this is gonna this

[1:11:20] this decision that you make tonight is

[1:11:23] gonna last long beyond your council

[1:11:26] seats

[1:11:27] it's going to last long beyond how long

[1:11:29] you guys are sitting on council it's

[1:11:30] going to last generally for my kids and

[1:11:33] this is something that if we can

[1:11:35] champion as a village if we can all come

[1:11:36] together and come up with a plan that we

[1:11:39] can that we can champion as a village we

[1:11:41] can all benefit from this and we can

[1:11:43] make it a the best village for everybody

[1:11:45] and it's and it's a place that that

[1:11:47] artists and musicians and single dads

[1:11:50] can afford and i don't care if it takes

[1:11:51] five years to make that plan and if

[1:11:53] oberer has to pay property taxes on that

[1:11:55] plot of land for five years we need a

[1:11:58] win here we need a win for everybody we

[1:12:00] know it's not perfect right now

[1:12:02] we also know we can all do better and

[1:12:04] that's what we're voting on tonight

[1:12:06] thank you guys so much for your time i

[1:12:07] appreciate it

[1:12:09] okay

[1:12:10] um um

[1:12:12] yes ryan i i i'm assuming that you are

[1:12:14] aware of it i'm getting some emails and

[1:12:16] and texts from folks at the ballroom

[1:12:19] realizing that they're having some some

[1:12:21] trouble so you may want to just chunk

[1:12:23] down that list in one go i i believe

[1:12:26] those folks do still want to speak yeah

[1:12:28] that is the plan so uh we're you're

[1:12:32] reading my mind okay so uh let's go

[1:12:34] ahead and have the uh mills park

[1:12:37] ballroom

[1:12:39] mike on

[1:12:44] okay yeah

[1:12:46] get back to stop really okay can you can

[1:12:48] you hear me i can

[1:12:51] hi brian

[1:12:52] kendrickillini 20-year resident of

[1:12:54] yellow springs

[1:12:56] ecologist

[1:12:57] scientist

[1:12:59] this

[1:13:00] our village ordinance demands that we

[1:13:02] have a better pud

[1:13:03] one of the

[1:13:04] uh requirements of the pud and in fact

[1:13:06] what ober applied for was that it

[1:13:08] preserves

[1:13:09] significant environmental resources

[1:13:12] marianne mcqueen said herself it doesn't

[1:13:13] preserve

[1:13:14] um

[1:13:15] significant resources there's nine acres

[1:13:18] of land they're going to clear in fact

[1:13:20] they're almost going out of their way to

[1:13:22] destroy what's there this is mostly

[1:13:24] agricultural land yet they're finding

[1:13:26] nine acres to cut down

[1:13:28] it's like the one slurs coming in to try

[1:13:30] to take over what make the lorax mad

[1:13:33] um there's a 300 year old tree there

[1:13:36] that is just right in the middle of the

[1:13:37] housing area they obviously didn't look

[1:13:39] at the site very much

[1:13:41] um there's obviously information about a

[1:13:43] dump it's not including the phase one

[1:13:45] plan and the phase one environmental

[1:13:46] plan clearly says we don't have all the

[1:13:48] information if we get more information

[1:13:50] we have to go back and do this again

[1:13:52] and that dump information was not in

[1:13:54] there they only asked over and stewing

[1:13:57] hey are there any environmental hazards

[1:13:58] and they were like nope we don't think

[1:13:59] so

[1:14:00] but now that we know we know that there

[1:14:02] are some we have to go back and do a

[1:14:04] phase two we know there were ysi

[1:14:06] chemicals in the surface water there

[1:14:08] that's in the report low levels but they

[1:14:10] were still there so i urge you to go

[1:14:12] back and come up with a better plan and

[1:14:14] in fact i argue that the village

[1:14:15] ordinance demands us to do a better plan

[1:14:18] than what's there particularly in

[1:14:20] regards to them needing to meet

[1:14:22] uh preservation of significant natural

[1:14:24] features which they're really not doing

[1:14:26] at all thank you all right thank you

[1:14:28] kendra

[1:14:33] hi uh joanna schulzherman

[1:14:35] um building on what kendra was saying

[1:14:38] that you keep saying that there's these

[1:14:40] two options when

[1:14:42] the pd as currently presented is a

[1:14:45] direct violation of what is stated in

[1:14:48] yellow springs code of ordinances

[1:14:49] chapter 1254 for planned unit

[1:14:52] development

[1:14:53] explicit violations of preservation of

[1:14:56] significant natural features extensive

[1:14:58] open space and recreational amenities

[1:15:00] connectivity of open space with new or

[1:15:02] existing adjacent freeway or trail

[1:15:03] corridors preservation of small town

[1:15:06] appeal improvements to public streets or

[1:15:08] other public facilities that mitigate

[1:15:10] traffic and or other development impacts

[1:15:13] rezoning the area to pud will not result

[1:15:15] in a significant adverse effect upon

[1:15:18] nearby nearby or adjacent village lands

[1:15:21] and i think the most important part

[1:15:23] is that the proposed uses and design of

[1:15:25] the pd shall be substantially consistent

[1:15:28] with the village's adopted comprehensive

[1:15:30] plan and the principles for land

[1:15:32] stewardship contained in the vision

[1:15:34] yellow springs in miami township so i

[1:15:37] implore the village council

[1:15:40] to build upon the work of whoever works

[1:15:44] on this comprehensive land use plan and

[1:15:47] this vision for the village so that it's

[1:15:49] not in vain do you know how much time

[1:15:51] you've been spending on the over thing

[1:15:53] think about

[1:15:54] uh previous incarnations of village

[1:15:56] council members who worked night and day

[1:15:59] for months years citizens involved to

[1:16:02] get these on paper so we wouldn't be in

[1:16:05] this situation and as a taxpaying

[1:16:06] citizen i need you to stick to this

[1:16:10] vision that's all i gotta say

[1:16:13] okay thank you

[1:16:15] um do we have anyone else

[1:16:17] from mills park

[1:16:23] i just can't really see you guys very

[1:16:25] clearly so

[1:16:27] because yeah thank you for your small

[1:16:29] piece

[1:16:32] so i'm kelly carr

[1:16:34] um one thing that's consistently struck

[1:16:36] me is that we seem to be voting yes out

[1:16:39] of fear uh council seems to be uh have a

[1:16:42] few people that are voting yes out of

[1:16:43] here for this pud and a fear of what

[1:16:45] will be lost which is donated land or a

[1:16:48] place for children to play you know both

[1:16:50] good things but thinking that if we make

[1:16:52] a deal with the proverbial devil that we

[1:16:54] will win

[1:16:55] that's a metaphor that's not a personal

[1:16:57] insult so by accepting the pittance that

[1:17:00] oberer is offering us we're denying

[1:17:02] ourselves the bounty that our village

[1:17:04] actually deserves and a large group has

[1:17:07] gathered here today i i guess you can't

[1:17:09] see it but it's quite a few people

[1:17:11] and

[1:17:12] this group doesn't feel the council is

[1:17:14] working for us or even listening to us

[1:17:17] so i'd like to address some accusations

[1:17:19] of harassment that were given today your

[1:17:22] citizens are using their protected legal

[1:17:24] options to attempt to get their counsel

[1:17:26] to work with them

[1:17:30] thank you there is a growing movement

[1:17:32] that has passion and has a vision

[1:17:35] and you seem to refuse to acknowledge

[1:17:36] that

[1:17:38] no one wants this development that's the

[1:17:41] thing no one actually wants over to

[1:17:42] develop this land no one does

[1:17:45] you can at least demand a strict pud

[1:17:47] with a thousand modifications to force a

[1:17:49] developer let's be clear just wants the

[1:17:52] money

[1:17:53] to work within our village vision

[1:17:56] you can insist on actually

[1:17:59] getting for your citizens from the

[1:18:01] developer what they want

[1:18:04] you're not doing that there's not just

[1:18:06] two options you actually have an entire

[1:18:09] plethora of options that you just really

[1:18:12] have blinders on and can see but we can

[1:18:14] and we want you to vote now on the

[1:18:16] beauty that's right

[1:18:18] okay thank you kelly

[1:18:23] hi there my name is jill eggleton

[1:18:26] and um i want to bring to task first

[1:18:29] mary and mcqueen

[1:18:30] um

[1:18:31] it looks like

[1:18:33] you opened your comments comparing us to

[1:18:35] trumpers

[1:18:37] you said that

[1:18:39] about 30ish percent of the country voted

[1:18:42] for trump and that's about the same

[1:18:44] number that is opposing

[1:18:47] the pud

[1:18:48] so i i kind of think that's really i'm

[1:18:50] not sure where your statistical analysis

[1:18:53] was in that um but the true it seems

[1:18:56] that the true trumper is over

[1:18:58] um

[1:18:59] so i think that that's an elephant in

[1:19:01] the room so i think number two

[1:19:04] um is i've never met dave chappelle i

[1:19:06] also don't have his number

[1:19:08] um

[1:19:10] however

[1:19:16] since you're here i'm going to speak to

[1:19:17] you i'm one of those people that i saw

[1:19:21] chappelle on tv

[1:19:23] oh my god and he said hey i live in a

[1:19:26] place called yellow springs and it's

[1:19:28] actually the bernie sanders island in

[1:19:30] the middle of the trump sea

[1:19:31] my partner and i looked at each other

[1:19:33] and said let's go

[1:19:38] and i'm here

[1:19:40] and my partner who was unable to make it

[1:19:42] said if chappelle is is making this a

[1:19:46] bernie sanders island that sounds pretty

[1:19:48] cool because of the state of our country

[1:19:51] so i'm here to say

[1:19:52] yes uber does own the land but we can do

[1:19:55] better

[1:19:56] period

[1:19:58] there are many options obviously

[1:19:59] everyone keeps saying it so anyway i'm

[1:20:01] here to support the wonderful diverse

[1:20:04] cultural

[1:20:05] inclusive loving place that i've only

[1:20:08] known for a few months

[1:20:10] but i know about it because in days

[1:20:12] that's dope

[1:20:13] and i also don't know

[1:20:15] why

[1:20:16] i've never met bob baldwin either but

[1:20:18] apparently he owns a lot of land

[1:20:21] and a lot of babies

[1:20:23] in the town

[1:20:24] so like what's the deal with that why

[1:20:26] hasn't he being called out so

[1:20:28] oh no

[1:20:34] counselors can you hear me

[1:20:36] yes

[1:20:38] um i want to address marianne mcqueen

[1:20:40] first your characterization of us as

[1:20:42] confused using trump tactics for saying

[1:20:44] your engaged citizens are harassing you

[1:20:46] as our elected officials as offensive

[1:20:48] and the opposite of transparency

[1:20:50] [Music]

[1:20:51] second truth i want to tell there is not

[1:20:53] a single affordable element in this aria

[1:20:56] development or the pud according to our

[1:20:58] own standards

[1:21:00] josue himself admitted this

[1:21:03] during meetings

[1:21:04] it is disingenuous and insulting to

[1:21:06] those of us who actually need affordable

[1:21:08] housing

[1:21:09] to call it affordable housing

[1:21:12] while we're watching you do the opposite

[1:21:15] this does not meet our needs in our

[1:21:17] housing needs assessment what we need is

[1:21:19] rental properties and entry-level

[1:21:21] housing

[1:21:22] it says it in the study that you keep

[1:21:24] referencing but i don't think you read

[1:21:25] the whole thing

[1:21:28] you mentioned this is being segregated

[1:21:30] we don't want this to be segregated the

[1:21:32] pud is segregated by income you can see

[1:21:34] it just look at them

[1:21:36] number three

[1:21:38] this does not meet our code or a

[1:21:39] comprehensive land use plan that you

[1:21:41] keep referencing that's in place to

[1:21:43] protect us from people like oberer

[1:21:45] please we are asking you

[1:21:48] we are empowering you we are

[1:21:50] begging you to use our own document to

[1:21:53] protect us from predatory development

[1:21:56] [Applause]

[1:21:59] okay so uh

[1:22:01] here's the deal

[1:22:03] no i'm still talking about it okay but

[1:22:05] we're not gonna have uh we're not gonna

[1:22:07] have the applause or we're gonna have to

[1:22:10] cut this off so

[1:22:11] speak

[1:22:12] let the next person speak but you can't

[1:22:15] keep on having it

[1:22:18] number four

[1:22:19] it's better than nothing is not an

[1:22:21] acceptable standard for our village

[1:22:24] this is our lives it's our businesses

[1:22:26] it's our history it's our future

[1:22:29] it's our lives it's our history it's our

[1:22:31] investment it's our future

[1:22:33] it's not not as bad as it could be isn't

[1:22:35] a good enough standard

[1:22:37] number five this doesn't meet our needs

[1:22:40] we address that

[1:22:41] number six there's good development and

[1:22:43] there's predatory development we're not

[1:22:45] against all development we're against

[1:22:46] fists though

[1:22:48] two minutes and i need your name please

[1:22:50] it's lindsey burke

[1:22:52] okay so once again

[1:23:06] okay so i

[1:23:07] think that uh

[1:23:08] gotta work out um just like we would not

[1:23:11] be having an applause if we were in

[1:23:13] person

[1:23:14] we would not have people

[1:23:16] shouting in the audience um we're gonna

[1:23:18] have decorum in this setting as well

[1:23:21] so

[1:23:22] i'll come back if there's some other

[1:23:23] speakers but

[1:23:25] you know if we can't have that decorum

[1:23:27] then um

[1:23:29] we're gonna have to wrap that part up

[1:23:31] all right don johnson is next

[1:23:34] go for it i'll be out of here have a

[1:23:36] good one

[1:23:40] don i can hear me hi

[1:23:43] i'm dawn johnson i'm a

[1:23:46] 25 year resident at least

[1:23:49] i'm a city planner

[1:23:50] and um i just want to let some folks

[1:23:53] know

[1:23:55] that

[1:23:56] i hear you i understand you feel like

[1:23:59] you weren't part of the process

[1:24:01] many of us have been part of the process

[1:24:03] for the visioning of the of the

[1:24:05] comprehensive plan many of us were

[1:24:07] sitting you know in the um

[1:24:11] in the stakeholders meetings when we put

[1:24:13] together the zoning codes um

[1:24:18] so i understand what you're saying you

[1:24:20] don't feel like you were part of this

[1:24:22] process for this private residential

[1:24:24] development when i say private it's

[1:24:26] private property it's not public

[1:24:28] property it's not like it's not like the

[1:24:30] uh

[1:24:32] for instance the cbe when it got handed

[1:24:34] off to the village that was a little

[1:24:36] different story that was

[1:24:37] that became public land so we had a

[1:24:39] different discussion with that but this

[1:24:41] is private property so it goes through a

[1:24:43] different process it still gets

[1:24:46] the process of going through reviews

[1:24:49] under pud

[1:24:51] however what i need you to understand

[1:24:52] this is important please listen to me

[1:24:55] ballroom people because if it goes

[1:24:57] straight subdivision

[1:24:59] you have no say at all zero subdivision

[1:25:03] review is an administrative process

[1:25:05] completely it just goes through the

[1:25:07] review process it gets stamped as long

[1:25:10] as it checks all the boxes and then you

[1:25:12] get whatever residence a they want to

[1:25:15] develop so

[1:25:17] understand that at least with the pud we

[1:25:20] get some

[1:25:21] some of what we've asked for in the

[1:25:23] comprehensive plan it doesn't it doesn't

[1:25:27] give us everything because it's not our

[1:25:29] plan it's not our development we don't

[1:25:32] own that land and i know that's really

[1:25:34] hard for you to get your hands around

[1:25:36] because

[1:25:37] we've all played on that land my boys

[1:25:39] played captured the flag on that on that

[1:25:42] lot for you know for 10 years um and i

[1:25:45] understand what max is saying i mean he

[1:25:47] was on the other side of the creek

[1:25:49] thank you judy i appreciate it but

[1:25:51] please understand

[1:25:53] we get a lot more with pud thank you

[1:25:56] thanks don

[1:25:59] okay so judy are there still people that

[1:26:01] want to speak at the in the ballroom

[1:26:04] there are and i have a promise that they

[1:26:06] will not clap so yes okay and also

[1:26:10] no shouting cheering um

[1:26:13] again you know this

[1:26:15] this isn't a watch party this is a

[1:26:18] formal

[1:26:19] council meeting

[1:26:20] okay

[1:26:28] are they able to mic on

[1:26:33] hi this is brittany baum i am here today

[1:26:36] to urge you to vote no on the pud

[1:26:39] i still have a hard time figuring out

[1:26:41] how this even meets the minimum

[1:26:43] requirements for the pud i think the pud

[1:26:46] should be truly exceptional if we're

[1:26:48] choosing to bend the rules to meet these

[1:26:50] requirements and i think this is

[1:26:51] anything but we wouldn't all be here if

[1:26:54] this was exceptional

[1:26:56] i think this definitely sets a precedent

[1:26:58] and we shouldn't be making decisions

[1:27:00] based off of the least bad of two

[1:27:02] choices

[1:27:03] we should not be making strategic

[1:27:04] decisions that will have long-term

[1:27:06] consequences using this rationale

[1:27:09] we developed a comprehensive plan to you

[1:27:12] be used as a guide to help make

[1:27:13] important decisions like these easier

[1:27:19] we need to update our antiquated zoning

[1:27:22] codes to reflect our current vision and

[1:27:24] our comprehensive plan

[1:27:26] sustainability is mentioned time and

[1:27:28] time again referring to the ability to

[1:27:30] support the needs of the present without

[1:27:32] compromising future generations in the

[1:27:34] areas of economic environmental and

[1:27:36] human sustainability in the

[1:27:38] comprehensive plan i argue that this

[1:27:40] proposed pud does not meet any of our

[1:27:42] strategic goals outlined in the comp

[1:27:44] plan without mitigating the risk of

[1:27:46] potential long-term harmful effects i

[1:27:48] understand we are in a very challenging

[1:27:50] time in this community and there is

[1:27:51] certainly a housing shortage and

[1:27:53] approving the pud might seem like it's

[1:27:55] helping some of these problems in the

[1:27:57] short term but i would argue that we'd

[1:27:59] be doing larger damage in the long term

[1:28:01] just like johnny dredd when i moved here

[1:28:04] i went here six years ago and i could

[1:28:05] have moved anywhere i moved three times

[1:28:08] in three different states in a matter of

[1:28:10] a year what brought me to yellow springs

[1:28:12] was the magic and the culture of this

[1:28:14] town i fell in love with this community

[1:28:16] and i jumped in wholeheartedly i started

[1:28:18] porch fest i'm a chamber member i'm

[1:28:21] trying to save the chamber i open a

[1:28:23] business in town i employ people here in

[1:28:25] town

[1:28:26] and what i have to say is if we become

[1:28:29] more and more like the neighboring

[1:28:31] communities what's going to keep me here

[1:28:34] i voted for the levy i don't have kids

[1:28:37] you know i care about this place what's

[1:28:39] going to bring other people like me to

[1:28:41] talent if we just become more and more

[1:28:43] like fairborn and beaver creek

[1:28:45] please do not approve this pud we can do

[1:28:47] so much better together we just have to

[1:28:49] work together and if we all knew about

[1:28:51] this two years ago i feel like we'd have

[1:28:52] a much better plan in place

[1:29:08] one reason why this pud should be turned

[1:29:10] down is the significant loss of tax

[1:29:13] revenue to the village of approving it

[1:29:17] not counting any real property taxes or

[1:29:20] utility fees related to the affordable

[1:29:22] units

[1:29:23] over the next 10 years alone the tax

[1:29:26] loss will be 213

[1:29:28] 630. that is extremely conservative and

[1:29:32] it's based on the 40 million dollar

[1:29:34] valuation that i saw in brian housha's

[1:29:37] memo which i think is is what is way

[1:29:40] below what the actual

[1:29:42] value of

[1:29:44] all single family development would be

[1:29:46] i think the tax loss way outweighs what

[1:29:49] the village is getting

[1:29:51] it is not worth the 1.7 acres it's

[1:29:55] a minuscule amount for what's happening

[1:29:58] on that land

[1:30:00] the schools will lose about half the

[1:30:01] taxes

[1:30:02] the village would be better off

[1:30:04] rejecting this pud

[1:30:06] single family residences

[1:30:09] by eight eight eight out of ten people

[1:30:12] under the age of 55

[1:30:14] want single family residences those are

[1:30:18] families for the schools the the mix of

[1:30:21] housing do not mistake diversity of

[1:30:24] housing choices for diversity of people

[1:30:27] i think we will get many more diverse

[1:30:29] people with single families coming in

[1:30:32] and bringing their kids and hopefully a

[1:30:34] very diverse group of them the

[1:30:36] development will not mitigate

[1:30:38] gentrification

[1:30:40] the price points are simply too high

[1:30:45] at 250 000 which is probably the low end

[1:30:49] a 20

[1:30:50] down mortgage

[1:30:51] is a mortgage payment a down payment of

[1:30:53] 50 000

[1:30:56] i mean that these are not starter homes

[1:30:59] so what very little we're getting for

[1:31:02] afford like some land for affordable

[1:31:04] housing i think what the village should

[1:31:07] do

[1:31:08] is take that money put it in the bank go

[1:31:10] buy some infill land somewhere else and

[1:31:13] build and do a pocket neighborhood or

[1:31:15] affordable

[1:31:16] but don't lose that tax revenue for

[1:31:19] forever

[1:31:21] and that's what you're doing by by doing

[1:31:23] this pud thank you very much

[1:31:25] i appreciate your time and all the

[1:31:27] effort

[1:31:28] and i do ask you to reject this pewdie

[1:31:31] thank you very much

[1:31:32] thanks laura

[1:31:38] hello my name is justin herman

[1:31:42] i am a lifetime greene county resident

[1:31:45] i left

[1:31:46] after the first 26 years of living here

[1:31:49] in beaver creek i should say

[1:31:51] for one crucial shortage and that was

[1:31:53] culture

[1:31:54] i don't know about environmental stuff i

[1:31:56] don't know about

[1:31:58] you know the inner workings of something

[1:32:00] like this but i do know that

[1:32:03] oftentimes it comes down to just hard

[1:32:06] hard lines like you know whether it's

[1:32:08] law

[1:32:09] whether it's

[1:32:10] um

[1:32:11] you know

[1:32:12] financial

[1:32:14] but that's not how all things work and

[1:32:17] culture is one of those things

[1:32:19] there is no

[1:32:20] hard line that you can do sometimes you

[1:32:23] can't just be afraid and abide by what

[1:32:25] that line is you have to make

[1:32:27] the right choice for what's right

[1:32:30] and i can tell you right now that we are

[1:32:31] on the precipice and yellow springs

[1:32:34] of having cultural value you cannot

[1:32:36] imagine i do not know how many of you

[1:32:38] have been outside of yellow springs in

[1:32:40] the last few years

[1:32:42] to see

[1:32:44] but i just moved back

[1:32:46] from oakland california

[1:32:48] which was once

[1:32:51] just like what you know a beautiful

[1:32:53] vision of what like this is but it

[1:32:54] became gentrified and it became

[1:32:56] overdeveloped and now it is not that way

[1:32:59] and we're at the press of this right now

[1:33:01] you you

[1:33:02] i know you can't see it because you

[1:33:03] haven't been outside but i'm telling you

[1:33:05] while covered rage while fires burn

[1:33:08] i watched my friends

[1:33:10] come here from oakland

[1:33:13] to be a part of this culture and come

[1:33:15] back with stars in their eyes

[1:33:18] i saw

[1:33:19] people you know i'm lucky enough to i've

[1:33:22] known some of the people that dave knows

[1:33:23] i don't know dave

[1:33:24] but

[1:33:25] they come back

[1:33:26] like oh my god why did you leave

[1:33:30] but you are

[1:33:32] the members of the council

[1:33:34] are on the precipice throwing away

[1:33:38] a once in a lifetime cultural

[1:33:41] moment that could last this town

[1:33:44] in this village forever

[1:33:46] that's two minutes over

[1:33:48] assuming

[1:33:57] um i heard that there are two more

[1:33:59] speakers um and then we're gonna wrap up

[1:34:01] citizen comment so who is next

[1:34:07] [Music]

[1:34:09] we have more than two speakers um hello

[1:34:11] my name is rob i'm a resident of yale

[1:34:13] straits

[1:34:14] um i would like to acknowledge mr oberer

[1:34:17] and his firm for all their success

[1:34:19] so much success that they no longer need

[1:34:21] to innovate to keep making money

[1:34:24] i would like to acknowledge over for

[1:34:26] having a golden opportunity to develop a

[1:34:28] neighborhood

[1:34:29] they can showcase as a model development

[1:34:32] for other communities

[1:34:33] yet they choose not to do so

[1:34:36] i would like to acknowledge oberor for

[1:34:38] all of its due diligence be illegal

[1:34:40] environmental geological traffic etc

[1:34:44] yet are in a position of such fortune

[1:34:46] and privilege they can disregard the

[1:34:48] community input part of this development

[1:34:51] congratulations to you sir

[1:34:56] okay

[1:34:57] who is our next

[1:35:00] commenter

[1:35:02] the next victim

[1:35:04] nancy kelly just lived here in town for

[1:35:06] two years but 35 years get up closely or

[1:35:09] get close on things and get taller

[1:35:12] so

[1:35:13] thanks

[1:35:14] i just thought um i put a letter in the

[1:35:16] newspaper uh this week which sort of

[1:35:19] expressed my thoughts was

[1:35:21] why not just leave it independent

[1:35:22] housing and move on from there to what

[1:35:25] might be real affordable housing

[1:35:27] um and i just thought i'd bring a

[1:35:29] picture of what affordable housing looks

[1:35:31] like

[1:35:31] can you see this

[1:35:33] here i'll hold it up

[1:35:38] that's a house that i that i think could

[1:35:40] be framed in for oh thirty thousand

[1:35:42] dollars about

[1:35:47] it is what's referred to of course as a

[1:35:50] tiny house

[1:35:52] and if it was produced at thirty

[1:35:54] thousand whether the village created

[1:35:55] these houses for the for the rustic and

[1:35:58] characteristic books they'd like to have

[1:36:01] or whether somebody independently does

[1:36:03] the inside could be finished by someone

[1:36:05] 30 000 is like buying a car

[1:36:08] and if the village has land available

[1:36:10] whether it's this pod if you do that or

[1:36:13] other land which would be suitable or if

[1:36:16] villagers would want to have a

[1:36:20] tiny home on their property we could

[1:36:22] quadruple our population i'm grateful

[1:36:24] for laura putting in

[1:36:26] facts and figures on what the tax

[1:36:28] structure is because i think that's a

[1:36:29] very big concern

[1:36:31] but

[1:36:32] i would be happy to be part of a team

[1:36:35] to start putting together the affordable

[1:36:37] housing

[1:36:38] program that would bring these units

[1:36:40] into the village and with the village

[1:36:42] creating the

[1:36:43] um legalese to put these in the

[1:36:46] community it would probably be

[1:36:48] international news because there's a

[1:36:50] desperate need across this country for

[1:36:53] meeting the problems that we're facing

[1:36:55] right here in rural ohio

[1:36:57] and i think that we can do ourselves a

[1:36:59] lot of good by doing it right

[1:37:01] um and making it available and making

[1:37:04] this available for people for their

[1:37:05] first home and to start a line of equity

[1:37:08] and build to a point where they can and

[1:37:10] that's two minutes if they want

[1:37:13] but

[1:37:16] okay i'm gonna

[1:37:17] pause here because we've been at citizen

[1:37:20] comment for uh over an hour um

[1:37:24] i also feel like we're getting a little

[1:37:26] bit off track on the pud and and we all

[1:37:30] agree affordability is important so i

[1:37:32] just want to check in with other council

[1:37:33] members to see

[1:37:35] um because judy told me there are seven

[1:37:37] more speakers now um

[1:37:40] so

[1:37:41] lisa carmen marianne give me an idea of

[1:37:43] what you want to do

[1:37:45] i see that sarah has her hand up three

[1:37:48] more speakers

[1:37:49] okay is that right let's do it

[1:37:53] yeah that works for me i mean honestly i

[1:37:56] you know i i don't want to stop it i

[1:37:58] just want to make sure that uh council

[1:38:01] is getting what they need

[1:38:03] okay

[1:38:06] you're on

[1:38:08] yes my name is sarah sinclair mens i

[1:38:10] have a master's in public administration

[1:38:13] and eight years of experience on a

[1:38:15] planning zoning commission outside of

[1:38:16] the village hill springs where i attend

[1:38:18] multiple

[1:38:19] regional planning and zoning trainings

[1:38:24] we can do a better job with this pud

[1:38:28] we do modifications tonight that are

[1:38:30] backed by our comprehensive plan

[1:38:32] we can require an environmental phase to

[1:38:35] environmental study that actually offers

[1:38:37] evidence and assures us

[1:38:39] that we're safe and the people moving

[1:38:41] into that development are safe instead

[1:38:43] of trying to offer correlates

[1:38:46] there's evidence we can get it tonight

[1:38:49] and we can do a better job with our

[1:38:51] local government with the transparency

[1:38:53] of this process with listening and

[1:38:55] implementing suggestions from your

[1:38:56] constituents who put you in that office

[1:39:00] and lastly we can do a better job

[1:39:02] supporting our local businesses and our

[1:39:05] local business owners we can respect

[1:39:08] what they've given us we can trust them

[1:39:10] with the future that we've put into that

[1:39:13] comprehensive plan the community made

[1:39:16] this comprehensive plan our local

[1:39:18] business owners are trying to give us

[1:39:19] what we asked for

[1:39:21] it's not what o'bear is giving us and

[1:39:23] it's not what you're letting happen

[1:39:26] thank you

[1:39:27] okay thanks sarah

[1:39:31] hey catherine price i'm a resident of

[1:39:33] yellow springs for 26 years

[1:39:38] there's a lot of talking in the

[1:39:39] background so we can't hear kathy

[1:39:42] catherine price a resident of yellow

[1:39:44] springs for 26 years

[1:39:46] uh this pud i've written i've spoken a

[1:39:48] lot about it already uh and i know you

[1:39:51] didn't want repeats

[1:39:53] um and you didn't want modifications to

[1:39:55] be brought up because that supposedly

[1:39:57] wasn't a choice where

[1:39:59] the last meeting it was a choice

[1:40:01] um i i believe that things do change a

[1:40:04] lot so um i'd like to talk about the

[1:40:07] modifications it's segregated

[1:40:09] socioeconomically i do not like the look

[1:40:11] of that and george ogre you were quoted

[1:40:14] in a business journal

[1:40:16] article from last

[1:40:19] i didn't know if it was last august i

[1:40:20] don't have it in front of me

[1:40:22] but

[1:40:23] you said you understood the sensibility

[1:40:26] of yellow springs and we're going to try

[1:40:27] to emulate that

[1:40:29] and

[1:40:30] the plan that you've developed does not

[1:40:32] emulate that

[1:40:35] i can't understand how you can say that

[1:40:37] and then and in the same article it was

[1:40:39] mentioned

[1:40:40] the bowen study which

[1:40:42] said we needed houses that started at

[1:40:44] the price point of 150.

[1:40:47] and

[1:40:48] i just don't understand how that

[1:40:50] information

[1:40:51] was in this interview with you i really

[1:40:54] it's

[1:40:55] people in the business world

[1:40:57] actually believe that i guess it's in

[1:40:59] print um it's not happening here

[1:41:02] the the three bedroom condos in your

[1:41:04] brochure were listed at 389 starting at

[1:41:08] 389

[1:41:09] and you didn't put the two-bedroom condo

[1:41:12] price

[1:41:12] but the three-bedroom homes it would be

[1:41:15] residence a

[1:41:17] start at 3 30

[1:41:19] according to your brochure so there's a

[1:41:21] lot of numbers that are off and then

[1:41:23] later in the council video you floated

[1:41:25] numbers it's all verbal so it's like

[1:41:27] well oh we could do 250 or maybe 150 and

[1:41:31] you know no wonder we're confused and we

[1:41:33] need time to have more information we

[1:41:35] need to have interaction directly with

[1:41:38] you george over because

[1:41:39] if you had a relationship all of us here

[1:41:42] and had coffee with us you might feel

[1:41:44] differently

[1:41:45] and we might make some sense out of this

[1:41:48] and what i believe is that a referendum

[1:41:50] would really show the will of the people

[1:41:53] i mean it's terrible to put this on your

[1:41:56] shoulders council members because it's a

[1:41:58] lot of weighty decision

[1:42:00] on this plan and you should have asked

[1:42:02] for referendum counties do this they

[1:42:04] asked in the from the get-go oh we don't

[1:42:08] want to decide this as as council

[1:42:10] members let's let's have a referendum

[1:42:13] and that kind of singles that matters

[1:42:18] thank you

[1:42:29] can you hear me

[1:42:30] yes

[1:42:33] hi i'm dave spell

[1:42:36] i just want to say

[1:42:38] and marianne i can talk to you about

[1:42:40] this privately um

[1:42:43] i don't know why the village council

[1:42:44] will be afraid of litigation from a 24

[1:42:46] million a year company while it it's out

[1:42:49] the 65 million a year company

[1:42:52] i cannot believe you would make me

[1:42:53] audition

[1:42:54] for you you look like clowns

[1:42:57] i am not bluffing

[1:42:59] i will take it all off the table

[1:43:01] that's all thank you

[1:43:04] okay

[1:43:06] all right

[1:43:07] so

[1:43:08] um i'm gonna formally open the public

[1:43:11] hearing

[1:43:12] and um i want to do a little bit of fact

[1:43:14] checking um

[1:43:16] and then we're gonna have uh

[1:43:19] denise free and a few other people uh uh

[1:43:21] present and then council is going to

[1:43:23] make a decision

[1:43:24] um

[1:43:25] so uh laura curless uh

[1:43:28] did a commentary on the memo that i put

[1:43:31] into the packet and she referred to that

[1:43:33] earlier

[1:43:34] um

[1:43:35] she very factually has stated that the

[1:43:38] village is going to lose 213 000 in tax

[1:43:41] revenue and i want to comment on that

[1:43:43] because

[1:43:45] uh first of all uh and it was really odd

[1:43:48] to me

[1:43:49] that that was the one modification of my

[1:43:52] table that laura made where she removed

[1:43:54] the reference to the fact that the

[1:43:56] valuation did not include the

[1:43:58] 24 plus affordable units

[1:44:01] um and then there was a variety of back

[1:44:04] and forth today but i do want to

[1:44:05] highlight that

[1:44:06] not only is tax revenue not a criteria

[1:44:09] for making our decision about the pud

[1:44:12] but also

[1:44:13] um

[1:44:15] no one has a crystal ball about what's

[1:44:16] going to happen with property values

[1:44:18] which by the way are a small part of the

[1:44:20] village's revenue

[1:44:22] one of the things that we have to keep

[1:44:23] in mind is that um when we have a

[1:44:26] diversity of homes especially affordable

[1:44:28] homes that means people who want to live

[1:44:32] and work here can do so um uh when we

[1:44:35] talk about things like going straight

[1:44:37] single family homes and uh

[1:44:40] someone referred to it as kind of the

[1:44:41] stepford uh development

[1:44:44] then i mean that likely means that we're

[1:44:46] talking about a lot of people that will

[1:44:48] not be working in town and will not be

[1:44:51] supporting

[1:44:52] all the services directly through their

[1:44:54] income tax so

[1:44:56] i think that

[1:44:58] for

[1:44:59] laura to speak so confidently about the

[1:45:01] tax revenues she doesn't know no one

[1:45:03] knows all right we've got some estimates

[1:45:06] honestly it's probably going to come out

[1:45:07] to be the same

[1:45:09] um i also want to point out it wasn't

[1:45:12] raised but in her memo

[1:45:14] laura points out that um

[1:45:17] she thinks that there's a four to one

[1:45:19] uh

[1:45:20] against the pud because of the number of

[1:45:23] people that have spoken at our meetings

[1:45:26] or written letters she knows well and i

[1:45:28] know all other council members know

[1:45:31] that um the folks that come to council

[1:45:33] meetings the people that write um are

[1:45:36] not necessarily representing the

[1:45:38] majority and we've said before it's not

[1:45:40] about quantity

[1:45:42] in terms of how many people speak it's

[1:45:44] about quality but i think today we did

[1:45:46] see a balance of a variety of comments

[1:45:49] um the last thing

[1:45:51] uh

[1:45:53] is this reference to the idea that we

[1:45:56] can deny the pud and then we can change

[1:45:59] the zoning in the interim

[1:46:02] and get a better property i think

[1:46:05] as a lawyer

[1:46:06] uh hopefully there's an understanding

[1:46:08] that that is not something that is

[1:46:10] viable and would certainly open up the

[1:46:12] village to

[1:46:13] uh exposure so i i do not see that as a

[1:46:16] viable option i can't imagine that that

[1:46:19] is something that we would do

[1:46:21] so with that um i'd like denise swinger

[1:46:24] to talk a little bit about

[1:46:26] what the planning commission looked at

[1:46:28] with the

[1:46:29] factors of what the pud brings

[1:46:33] because there's been a focus on

[1:46:35] three factors

[1:46:37] they are not necessarily the three

[1:46:38] factors that

[1:46:40] the uh planning commission decided on

[1:46:42] for those that read the minutes and

[1:46:44] watch the meeting

[1:46:46] what was concluded is that at least

[1:46:49] three factors uh were met

[1:46:53] denise talks about five and denise if

[1:46:55] you'd like to just kind of briefly

[1:46:57] highlight that and then we're going to

[1:46:58] talk a little bit about some of the

[1:47:00] other legal

[1:47:01] uh issues

[1:47:02] uh brian i don't actually have that

[1:47:04] document in front of me right now but

[1:47:06] the factors they had to meet at least

[1:47:08] three benefits out of eight

[1:47:11] as i recall um

[1:47:13] one of those was a mix of housing types

[1:47:16] which this has um one was connectivity

[1:47:19] within the development and to other

[1:47:21] surrounding properties

[1:47:23] and let's see they also had

[1:47:29] one

[1:47:31] about the open space they they more than

[1:47:34] met the open space requirement which was

[1:47:36] only 15

[1:47:38] of open space um and they were at a

[1:47:40] little bit less than

[1:47:42] 23 percent

[1:47:44] i think um

[1:47:47] reiterating actually what don johnson

[1:47:49] said

[1:47:50] you know

[1:47:52] we have these choices i i feel we have

[1:47:54] three choices

[1:47:56] we have

[1:47:57] the pud

[1:47:58] we have residential a

[1:48:00] or

[1:48:01] we as a community

[1:48:03] makes an offer to ober

[1:48:05] to buy buy it from them you know what

[1:48:08] what that price would be i don't know

[1:48:10] but i mean that's the only other option

[1:48:12] i see are those three and i don't know

[1:48:15] that the community has

[1:48:18] approached over i have anybody within

[1:48:21] the community has approached over

[1:48:23] to

[1:48:24] buy it from them

[1:48:25] i have i don't have any information on

[1:48:27] that um so we as staff only can deal

[1:48:30] with the code that we would that we have

[1:48:33] and we um

[1:48:35] when we first met with ober what ober

[1:48:37] proposed was

[1:48:40] following the miami townships code for

[1:48:43] the 30 acres that are in the township

[1:48:45] they were going to do

[1:48:47] large lots 10 000 square foot or more

[1:48:50] and larger homes and then on the portion

[1:48:52] that was in the village they were going

[1:48:54] to do single family homes and they were

[1:48:56] going to follow our our 7 500 square

[1:48:59] foot requirement

[1:49:01] and that was going to be it i mean they

[1:49:02] really approached us with single family

[1:49:04] a major subdivision

[1:49:06] and and we as staff said what about the

[1:49:10] pud because with the pud there's more

[1:49:12] flexibility we could get some of some of

[1:49:14] the other things that the community

[1:49:16] values that is the affordable housing

[1:49:18] component however that was going to turn

[1:49:20] out we never promoted it as an

[1:49:23] affordable housing project we knew it

[1:49:24] wasn't going to be that

[1:49:26] the connectivity

[1:49:28] the constructed wetlands for the low

[1:49:30] impact development

[1:49:32] um the in the variety of housing types

[1:49:34] so i mean that was what we had

[1:49:37] through the pud that we could work with

[1:49:41] and that's pretty much it

[1:49:44] all right thanks denise

[1:49:45] um

[1:49:46] so i i wanted brianne to respond to uh

[1:49:49] there was some other some other

[1:49:51] documents that we got um that were a

[1:49:53] little bit confusing

[1:49:54] um but i think it relates to this idea

[1:49:56] of making a decision out of fear and i

[1:49:59] can definitely confirm that um

[1:50:02] i'm not there at all uh i am focused on

[1:50:07] our decision criteria which is around

[1:50:09] the pud

[1:50:11] and um

[1:50:12] you know i think one of the things that

[1:50:13] can often be intimidating is when

[1:50:16] legal action is threatened especially

[1:50:19] for folks that don't have a legal

[1:50:20] background um

[1:50:22] it can be intimidating

[1:50:24] and um we received a memo

[1:50:27] it was actually dated february 1st 2020

[1:50:30] but i assume that it wasn't done two

[1:50:33] years ago from um i assumed it was a law

[1:50:36] firm but i've been told that maybe it's

[1:50:39] a group of consultants

[1:50:41] about uh and from california

[1:50:43] uh analyzing um our code and uh

[1:50:49] throwing around the use of spot zoning

[1:50:53] and also talking about

[1:50:55] this idea of placing the homes away from

[1:50:59] the core

[1:51:00] of yellow springs

[1:51:03] now i can accept that a california firm

[1:51:06] or consultancy would not understand the

[1:51:09] scale of yellow springs and so you know

[1:51:11] this idea of there being a really strong

[1:51:14] argument around the placement of homes a

[1:51:18] couple hundred yards further away from

[1:51:20] downtown

[1:51:21] um

[1:51:22] i don't see how there could really be a

[1:51:24] a strong legal argument there and so i

[1:51:26] was

[1:51:27] kind of surprised that a dayton lawyer

[1:51:29] um would support that argument as well

[1:51:32] um but i guess i wanted

[1:51:34] brienne to clarify this spot zoning

[1:51:37] thing because um

[1:51:40] it seems like a pretty uh strong

[1:51:42] accusation

[1:51:43] to be making in relation to the pud that

[1:51:45] we're talking about tonight so brienne

[1:51:47] if you can just kind of speak to

[1:51:49] some of the

[1:51:50] the legal

[1:51:52] actions that have been brought up

[1:51:54] sure brian

[1:51:55] so for everyone who's got a law degree

[1:51:58] or doesn't

[1:51:59] and i'm including the california

[1:52:01] consultant in that

[1:52:03] i am sure that california consultant is

[1:52:06] not familiar with the case of voice

[1:52:07] versus village of ottawa hills which

[1:52:09] basically says the property owner has an

[1:52:11] expectation interest

[1:52:13] in the current zoning

[1:52:15] so

[1:52:16] um this idea that

[1:52:18] as brian said is floating around out

[1:52:21] there that council can deny the pud

[1:52:24] and then somehow get zoning changed from

[1:52:26] ra without the consent of the property

[1:52:28] owner

[1:52:29] is not going to move forward the ohio

[1:52:32] supreme court has ruled and put that to

[1:52:34] bed in voice versus village of ottawa

[1:52:36] hills that was back in 2014

[1:52:38] now as to the issue of spot zoning our

[1:52:41] code is

[1:52:43] succinct on the issue of spot zoning

[1:52:46] it basically says it's singling out a

[1:52:49] small

[1:52:51] area or a lot for discriminatory or

[1:52:54] different treatment from that according

[1:52:55] surrounding land which is similar in

[1:52:57] character

[1:52:59] well this is not a lot this is not a

[1:53:02] small area

[1:53:04] but more importantly this is a

[1:53:05] residential pud that's proposed

[1:53:08] so it is not being recorded different

[1:53:10] treatment because a pud application must

[1:53:13] be submitted by the property owner it is

[1:53:15] not something the village can force on a

[1:53:17] developer the developer has negotiated

[1:53:20] with us on this put

[1:53:22] again

[1:53:24] denise just

[1:53:25] advised the village in fact proposed the

[1:53:27] putt

[1:53:28] because oberer was perfectly fine with

[1:53:30] proposing an ra development per our code

[1:53:34] every parcel that was annexed came in ra

[1:53:37] that's been the code since 2013. so in

[1:53:40] terms of what the council and the

[1:53:42] planning commission had to consider

[1:53:44] under the pug code under 125406 you've

[1:53:47] got multiple factors to consider and it

[1:53:49] says the reviewing body shall consider

[1:53:52] all these things that applies equally to

[1:53:55] council and the planning commission when

[1:53:56] they're reviewing those

[1:53:58] so

[1:54:00] in terms of this

[1:54:02] not available or achievable under

[1:54:05] conventional zoning

[1:54:07] that's up to council to decide in terms

[1:54:09] of

[1:54:10] spot zoning a pud is

[1:54:13] not spot zoning again it's not a single

[1:54:15] lot it's not a small area under our

[1:54:18] definition of spot zoning a planned unit

[1:54:21] development is not it

[1:54:24] okay

[1:54:25] thank you brianne um i also heard that

[1:54:27] um

[1:54:29] uh

[1:54:30] our uh

[1:54:32] chair of the planning commission asked

[1:54:33] us to clarify an accusation about a

[1:54:35] conflict of interest

[1:54:37] sure

[1:54:39] early in this process i identified

[1:54:42] several planning commission and council

[1:54:44] members who based on things they had

[1:54:47] said communications

[1:54:49] may have a conflict of interest

[1:54:51] and

[1:54:52] some of these were on the appearance of

[1:54:54] impropriety alone as most people know

[1:54:56] our chairman

[1:54:58] of the planning and zoning commission

[1:55:00] owns property across spillan from the

[1:55:03] development we sought guidance from the

[1:55:05] ohio ethics commission and initially i

[1:55:08] had advised him based on appearance of

[1:55:11] impropriety alone that he should

[1:55:13] probably recuse because

[1:55:15] back in the 60s when his property was an

[1:55:18] extent to the village for some reason

[1:55:21] the half of the road right-of-way

[1:55:23] furniture was not

[1:55:25] at least not on the green county maps so

[1:55:27] that was an oversight from the way the

[1:55:30] annexation procedures were done way back

[1:55:32] when

[1:55:34] in terms of

[1:55:36] his name on the annexation petition

[1:55:38] he didn't really have a choice

[1:55:40] and then

[1:55:41] advised that well that property is

[1:55:44] actually encumbered with a deed

[1:55:46] restriction

[1:55:47] so ober's development in reviewing the

[1:55:50] specific language of that deed

[1:55:51] restriction

[1:55:52] has almost negligible

[1:55:55] if any

[1:55:56] impact on that property value because of

[1:55:58] that deed restriction language it cannot

[1:56:01] be developed

[1:56:02] ergo

[1:56:04] i said

[1:56:06] mr dodin you've got

[1:56:09] what appears to be on his face to

[1:56:10] conflict

[1:56:12] but in actuality

[1:56:15] is none

[1:56:17] and

[1:56:18] other people

[1:56:21] also had questions so we submitted it to

[1:56:23] the ohio ethics commission the ethics

[1:56:26] commission

[1:56:27] ruled on four individuals

[1:56:29] some of whom did not disclose what was

[1:56:32] being said

[1:56:34] during the interim

[1:56:36] and

[1:56:39] we got the ethics commission opinion

[1:56:41] back july 23rd i communicated that to

[1:56:43] all council members all planning

[1:56:44] commission members

[1:56:47] and

[1:56:48] from that point forward

[1:56:51] once i give

[1:56:52] a legal opinion or the ethics commission

[1:56:54] gives an opinion

[1:56:57] it's up to the planning commission

[1:56:58] member or the council member to decide

[1:57:01] whether or not they do agree with it and

[1:57:04] should recuse

[1:57:06] or whether they're going to carry

[1:57:08] forward

[1:57:10] in this case

[1:57:11] mr dodin acknowledged that his

[1:57:13] obligation in a quasi-judicial capacity

[1:57:17] would have restricted his voting again

[1:57:20] kind of his counsel is somewhat

[1:57:21] obligated to based on the language of

[1:57:23] the code

[1:57:24] to considering those criteria in 125406

[1:57:29] other individuals on planning commission

[1:57:31] advised that they could not that they

[1:57:32] preferred to advocate

[1:57:34] uh that they had personal opinions about

[1:57:36] the project

[1:57:39] therefore i advise them they should

[1:57:42] not participate in the proceedings

[1:57:43] whatsoever

[1:57:47] ohio ethics law is pretty clear

[1:57:49] when you have a conflict of interest

[1:57:52] the guidance is to recuse completely

[1:57:57] however the ethics commission opinion

[1:57:58] also said look you're free to

[1:58:00] participate as private citizen when

[1:58:02] matters impact your personal property

[1:58:05] and to date

[1:58:07] that is what has happened to the extent

[1:58:10] that others have

[1:58:12] engaged in

[1:58:13] discussion deliberation

[1:58:16] they've not engaged in voting they have

[1:58:18] for the most part made very clear that

[1:58:20] they have recused from their public

[1:58:23] roles

[1:58:26] okay

[1:58:26] thank you brienne

[1:58:28] um

[1:58:29] all right i think before we close the

[1:58:30] public hearing um my understanding is

[1:58:33] that um

[1:58:35] either george oberer or greg smith um

[1:58:39] wanted to uh announce something

[1:58:42] related to

[1:58:43] the project

[1:58:58] am i on now brian you are george

[1:59:01] thank you um

[1:59:03] and since i know greg can hear this and

[1:59:05] uh

[1:59:06] our counsel mike mcnamee is on

[1:59:09] the call also so

[1:59:11] i want to make a couple of comments and

[1:59:13] then

[1:59:14] allow them to um to add to those if

[1:59:17] that's okay

[1:59:19] yep

[1:59:19] first just a a little history and i i

[1:59:22] don't really want to

[1:59:24] turn this into a debate but

[1:59:28] i guess i wanted the audience to know

[1:59:30] that that i actually went

[1:59:32] along with my brother to see mr

[1:59:34] chappelle

[1:59:35] a year ago last september

[1:59:38] and met with he and max crome and showed

[1:59:40] him our plans he showed him at the time

[1:59:43] it was a single family plan it was an ra

[1:59:45] plan

[1:59:46] but

[1:59:48] did so more as a good neighbor than

[1:59:50] anything else um

[1:59:52] didn't know what might develop of it i

[1:59:54] was

[1:59:56] acquainted to to mr chappelle from a

[1:59:59] mutual friend

[2:00:01] and uh

[2:00:02] understood that he spoke to the previous

[2:00:04] owner about possibly purchasing part of

[2:00:06] the property but

[2:00:07] and i don't want to put words into mr

[2:00:09] chappelle's mouth but possibly he didn't

[2:00:10] want to purchase all the property

[2:00:13] only some of the property and and

[2:00:15] that made the property less marketable

[2:00:17] for the previous owner and i think the

[2:00:20] previous owner made a good decision

[2:00:21] because i would not have been interested

[2:00:23] in the property had

[2:00:26] 10 acres for an example been sold out of

[2:00:28] the middle of it

[2:00:31] but

[2:00:34] i was not

[2:00:36] made an offer to purchase the property

[2:00:37] at the time

[2:00:38] i didn't say i would or wouldn't sell it

[2:00:40] but we were never really approached

[2:00:42] about that

[2:00:45] secondly i wanted to say that the real

[2:00:47] estate taxes

[2:00:49] in an r.a zoning

[2:00:51] or a pud

[2:00:52] should be

[2:00:54] almost neutral

[2:00:57] we can achieve the same density

[2:01:00] on the current in existing ra zoning as

[2:01:04] we are proposing in the pud

[2:01:08] the property values

[2:01:11] will vary in those but but

[2:01:14] not materially i mean yeah you're going

[2:01:16] to have more affordable houses in the

[2:01:18] pud

[2:01:20] so the total revenues might be slightly

[2:01:23] less than they would

[2:01:25] you know in a single family

[2:01:27] uh

[2:01:28] totally single-family development but

[2:01:30] but they're not going to be materially

[2:01:32] different

[2:01:33] and secondly i wanted or third i wanted

[2:01:35] to make the point that

[2:01:37] if

[2:01:38] real estate taxes and revenues were such

[2:01:40] an issue

[2:01:42] between the pud and the ra zoning why

[2:01:44] why were they not an issue

[2:01:47] when we discussed annexation

[2:01:49] of the 30-plus acres that came from

[2:01:52] miami township

[2:01:54] into into the village

[2:01:57] i i guess i would just like to remind

[2:01:59] some of the council members that

[2:02:01] that certainly wasn't an issue when we

[2:02:03] discussed annexation

[2:02:05] um

[2:02:07] lastly uh well not lastly but next is is

[2:02:11] the dump

[2:02:12] is hearsay

[2:02:14] and

[2:02:15] nobody has offered any real evidence to

[2:02:19] support this only other than a couple of

[2:02:21] people claiming to have seen a barrel or

[2:02:23] two

[2:02:26] we've not seen any photographs

[2:02:28] we've engaged a third party

[2:02:31] and reputable environmental

[2:02:32] investigative service

[2:02:36] to to conduct a

[2:02:38] phase one uh environmental study

[2:02:41] now keep hearing references to a phase

[2:02:44] two when there really isn't any such

[2:02:45] thing as a phase two a phase one is

[2:02:48] conducted to see if there's any evidence

[2:02:51] of any

[2:02:53] concern over contamination or pollution

[2:02:55] or any

[2:02:56] uh

[2:02:58] foreign substances that should be

[2:03:00] investigated further this report turned

[2:03:03] up zero evidence that suggested that

[2:03:05] there should be further investigation

[2:03:07] and let me be clear that we provided

[2:03:10] that to the village

[2:03:12] on our own we weren't there was not a

[2:03:14] requirement that was not there there's

[2:03:16] no ordinance or regulation that requires

[2:03:19] that we provide that but we do that

[2:03:20] frankly for our own protection

[2:03:23] because

[2:03:24] we don't want to purchase land and buy

[2:03:27] uh or develop land

[2:03:29] that has an environmental problem i mean

[2:03:32] i don't

[2:03:33] i can't run a business and and and do

[2:03:36] that

[2:03:39] after that we can we hired a

[2:03:42] geo-technical uh engineer that did a

[2:03:44] subsurface investigation did soil

[2:03:46] borings

[2:03:48] that were

[2:03:49] deep soil borings 20 foot

[2:03:51] in some cases

[2:03:54] and they were 20 foot where they could

[2:03:55] be they they were stopped short of that

[2:03:57] where they had bedrock

[2:03:59] but

[2:04:00] the uh

[2:04:02] the the soil borings were done randomly

[2:04:05] over the whole

[2:04:06] 52-acre site

[2:04:08] and then the soils were analyzed for

[2:04:11] both their compatibility for development

[2:04:14] but also

[2:04:15] for contaminants

[2:04:16] and none were found

[2:04:19] so

[2:04:22] i guess i want to

[2:04:24] and i guess i also want to say as far as

[2:04:26] the

[2:04:29] hazard or soils issues or or contaminate

[2:04:32] contamination issues

[2:04:34] you know that's really a risk that i as

[2:04:36] a developer take on

[2:04:37] as we develop this site and we if we

[2:04:40] encounter a contaminant

[2:04:42] we're going to have to

[2:04:44] notify epa and deal with it in the

[2:04:46] prescribed manner

[2:04:48] to decontaminate the site so i don't you

[2:04:53] know i'm i'm saying that i've i know of

[2:04:55] no evidence of contamination but if we

[2:04:58] found contamination the village would be

[2:05:00] better off because it would be our

[2:05:01] responsibility to clean it up

[2:05:04] lastly i want to mention that

[2:05:07] your zoning or comprehensive plans do

[2:05:10] not require any affordable housing

[2:05:13] we typically go into a community

[2:05:16] that has such a good school system and

[2:05:18] and uh

[2:05:21] a desires community like the village of

[2:05:23] yellow springs we try to bring products

[2:05:25] that we already build in other locations

[2:05:28] i can't

[2:05:30] redesign or build make new designs for

[2:05:32] every single community

[2:05:34] that we've developed

[2:05:36] it just doesn't make sense for us so so

[2:05:38] we do try to bring

[2:05:40] products that are affordable affordable

[2:05:44] is

[2:05:44] i suppose a a broad term but

[2:05:48] but in various different price ranges to

[2:05:51] make them as affordable as we can

[2:05:53] but also as desirable as we can i mean

[2:05:56] we know from our marketing research we

[2:05:58] know from building in other communities

[2:06:01] what sells and what's affordable

[2:06:03] to some of the population and what's not

[2:06:06] in this case

[2:06:07] the only reason that there's an

[2:06:09] affordable piece of

[2:06:11] this property being proposed is because

[2:06:14] of negotiations with the village

[2:06:18] certain council members in including uh

[2:06:20] brian and

[2:06:22] and uh and marianne and in josue and his

[2:06:25] entire staff

[2:06:27] that

[2:06:28] communicated with us about some of the

[2:06:30] needs that the village has

[2:06:32] and we tried to meet some of those needs

[2:06:34] by

[2:06:35] donating

[2:06:38] a site

[2:06:39] by bringing a park to the community by

[2:06:45] um

[2:06:47] and even most recently

[2:06:50] uh helping solve well from an

[2:06:52] engineering standpoint we haven't done

[2:06:53] it from a construction standpoint but

[2:06:55] we'll help the village solve a

[2:06:57] stormwater issue that exists to the

[2:06:59] north of the site our site

[2:07:01] so

[2:07:02] i think lastly we can't solve all the

[2:07:05] infrastructure problems that are not

[2:07:06] connected

[2:07:07] to our site

[2:07:09] we we understand that there's perhaps a

[2:07:12] safety issue on spilan road particularly

[2:07:14] north of our site

[2:07:16] but i did

[2:07:17] tell josue this week

[2:07:20] that this past week i'm sorry that that

[2:07:22] we would contribute fifty thousand

[2:07:24] dollars towards a community safety fund

[2:07:27] so that the village could use maybe as

[2:07:29] uh

[2:07:30] grant leverage or matching funds for an

[2:07:33] example

[2:07:36] to make improvements to a piece of

[2:07:38] property that doesn't even touch ours

[2:07:39] right now we're already improving spa

[2:07:42] land on our side of the road

[2:07:44] but i'm talking about north north of our

[2:07:46] property

[2:07:47] so

[2:07:49] thank you

[2:07:50] brian for for allowing me to make those

[2:07:52] comments and if you don't mind i'll ask

[2:07:54] greg and

[2:07:55] and mike if they have anything to add to

[2:07:57] that

[2:07:58] okay thank you

[2:08:01] i don't think you hear me

[2:08:02] yes

[2:08:03] excellent hey i just want to thank

[2:08:05] george for his comments thank everybody

[2:08:07] who spoke this evening it's uh

[2:08:10] been very um

[2:08:12] nice to work at community so many people

[2:08:13] are involved

[2:08:14] um there any questions anybody

[2:08:16] specifically has

[2:08:18] mike and i are happy to answer them

[2:08:19] otherwise i think we'll just

[2:08:22] go from there but i think i'd like to

[2:08:23] make ourselves available to especially

[2:08:25] the council members particularly to

[2:08:27] answer direct questions

[2:08:29] okay thanks greg

[2:08:31] um okay so i'm going to

[2:08:34] close the public hearing and um then i

[2:08:37] be believe brienne you have a next step

[2:08:40] for us to go through

[2:08:43] yes that's correct

[2:08:45] so i need every council member that's

[2:08:47] voting with the understanding that mr

[2:08:50] stokes is uh

[2:08:52] recused

[2:08:54] to affirm that they have reviewed the

[2:08:56] record in its entirety

[2:08:58] this is an action for a preliminary plan

[2:09:01] for planned unit development

[2:09:03] so planning commission has made a

[2:09:05] recommendation based on its meeting of

[2:09:07] november 9th you have the minutes from

[2:09:08] that meeting

[2:09:10] the processes such the reviewing body

[2:09:12] whether it's the planning commission or

[2:09:14] council has two criteria

[2:09:16] to consider under 1254.06

[2:09:20] so

[2:09:21] i will start with council president

[2:09:22] housh

[2:09:23] have you

[2:09:24] reviewed the record in its entirety

[2:09:26] including the minutes from the planning

[2:09:28] commission

[2:09:29] the prior council meetings and all

[2:09:31] citizen comments to date

[2:09:33] uh yes i have

[2:09:35] okay

[2:09:37] councilmember mcqueen same question i

[2:09:39] need you to a firmer attest that you

[2:09:41] have reviewed the record in its entirety

[2:09:43] including the planning commission

[2:09:45] meeting minutes uh the application

[2:09:48] uh the prayer council meetings and all

[2:09:50] the citizen comments to date

[2:09:52] yes three times in terms of the planning

[2:09:55] commission november 9th

[2:09:57] okay

[2:09:58] same question of council member krieger

[2:10:01] have you can you affirm or attest that

[2:10:03] you have reviewed the record in its

[2:10:05] entirety including the november 9th

[2:10:07] planning commission meeting

[2:10:09] minutes and

[2:10:11] the

[2:10:12] subsequent council meetings and the

[2:10:14] citizen comments to date

[2:10:17] yes i was present at the meeting and

[2:10:19] have reviewed thank you

[2:10:20] okay

[2:10:21] and council member lee uh same question

[2:10:24] can you affirm or attest that you have

[2:10:26] reviewed the record in its entirety

[2:10:28] including the november 9th planning

[2:10:30] commission meeting minutes its

[2:10:31] recommendation

[2:10:32] the

[2:10:34] subsequent council meetings and all the

[2:10:36] citizen comments to date

[2:10:38] yes

[2:10:40] okay

[2:10:41] so everyone has affirmed under

[2:10:43] 125405 c5 as required you had to review

[2:10:47] the record of the planning commission

[2:10:48] proceedings the standards under

[2:10:51] 1254.06 which we've touched on briefly

[2:10:55] and you've got the recommendation of the

[2:10:57] planning commission

[2:10:58] so your act

[2:11:00] would be to approve

[2:11:02] deny or approve with modifications

[2:11:06] the preliminary development plan and the

[2:11:08] rezoning request so

[2:11:11] i'm not going to get into modifications

[2:11:13] at this juncture i will

[2:11:16] prefer the council president lead that

[2:11:18] discussion

[2:11:19] but my question to you then would be

[2:11:22] would you accept

[2:11:24] um and and brian would call for the vote

[2:11:27] but this is for discussion amongst

[2:11:28] yourselves would you accept the findings

[2:11:31] of the planning commission

[2:11:33] in their entirety because if you do not

[2:11:35] then you have to go back through all of

[2:11:37] those findings

[2:11:39] separately

[2:11:40] okay so i think at this point i will

[2:11:43] make a motion to approve the findings of

[2:11:47] the planning commission

[2:11:49] is there a second

[2:11:52] i second it

[2:11:54] okay

[2:11:55] um any discussion

[2:12:02] okay if not then uh judy could you call

[2:12:04] the role please

[2:12:07] yes mcqueen

[2:12:11] brown

[2:12:13] yes

[2:12:15] krieger

[2:12:17] yeah

[2:12:18] house

[2:12:19] yes

[2:12:21] okay so i believe the next um part of

[2:12:24] this process is to discuss uh any

[2:12:28] modifications

[2:12:29] or

[2:12:30] any other issues before we take a vote

[2:12:33] on

[2:12:34] the pud

[2:12:40] okay

[2:12:40] so

[2:12:41] i would like to discuss modifications

[2:12:44] okay lisa

[2:12:47] so you know i want you to know that i

[2:12:49] hear the concerns of our community

[2:12:51] voices

[2:12:52] and i've intently considered the many

[2:12:55] communications with a particular focus

[2:12:58] on the environmental impact

[2:13:00] the safety traffic impacts and most

[2:13:02] recently

[2:13:03] on a deep understanding of the financial

[2:13:06] impact on the community

[2:13:09] so yes affordable housing is important

[2:13:12] as is overall in

[2:13:15] economic growth to our community and i

[2:13:18] ran on both of those platforms you know

[2:13:20] both are important and i am considering

[2:13:23] the economic integrity of our village

[2:13:26] today into the and into the future i

[2:13:28] appreciated mr dredd's comments that

[2:13:32] these decisions will last long beyond my

[2:13:34] time on council

[2:13:37] i appreciate that there's some

[2:13:39] allocation for affordable housing town

[2:13:42] homes and duplexes yes and as i've heard

[2:13:46] tonight the pud takes us in this

[2:13:48] direction

[2:13:49] however what we need

[2:13:51] in affordable housing is apartments

[2:13:54] and we can as a community get to those

[2:13:57] goals

[2:13:58] not on this property and the pud is not

[2:14:02] sufficient to really hit those goals

[2:14:05] and we've we've understood why because

[2:14:07] of the cost and that sort of thing

[2:14:10] so while i accept the findings of

[2:14:14] planning commissions

[2:14:15] i i don't agree that this pud fulfills

[2:14:19] three elements of the requirements that

[2:14:21] are important to me or perhaps i just

[2:14:24] don't have sufficient information

[2:14:26] and these are that it should be

[2:14:28] consistent with a village vision

[2:14:31] that it should integrate a complimentary

[2:14:32] list of land types and that natural

[2:14:35] features are preserved so tonight

[2:14:38] i would ask that council table this vote

[2:14:41] table

[2:14:42] this vote

[2:14:44] to explore three conditions

[2:14:47] one

[2:14:48] we do need housing stock yes

[2:14:51] as a condition we should see an updated

[2:14:54] site plan

[2:14:55] that includes options of smaller homes

[2:14:57] in the design mix these smaller houses

[2:15:00] will meet the needs of our housing

[2:15:01] analysis and add more affordable options

[2:15:05] this is all about adding additional

[2:15:07] levels of better priced housing

[2:15:10] two

[2:15:10] go back and look again at the

[2:15:12] environmental analysis it might not be

[2:15:14] what is called a phase two and i

[2:15:16] understand that invoking a phase two

[2:15:19] analysis is like a whole nother level of

[2:15:21] hell

[2:15:22] but there does seem to be additional

[2:15:24] information that may have been

[2:15:27] overlooked

[2:15:28] and then third looking internally

[2:15:31] to the village team

[2:15:33] i want to thank the village team for

[2:15:34] their work to date

[2:15:36] and i still want to see

[2:15:38] a better validated and

[2:15:41] communicated cost-benefit analysis

[2:15:45] of the pud versus no pud to the village

[2:15:48] i agree this isn't a criteria for a pud

[2:15:51] however looking inside to our team

[2:15:54] it never hurts to have more scrutiny and

[2:15:56] a more comprehensive understanding to

[2:15:59] ensure that we have the best and most

[2:16:01] accurate models josue has terrific

[2:16:04] expertise so does our finance director

[2:16:07] matt dillon and we may even have some

[2:16:09] financial acumen to create a community

[2:16:12] review

[2:16:13] so again i thank the village team for

[2:16:15] all their work

[2:16:16] and i'm asking for more i call for a

[2:16:18] rigorous and publicly visible analysis

[2:16:21] of the cost and benefit to the village

[2:16:23] as we go forward and if tabling isn't an

[2:16:26] option

[2:16:27] then i'm also ready to vote

[2:16:30] thank you okay thanks lisa carmen did

[2:16:33] you

[2:16:34] have a comment

[2:16:37] um

[2:16:38] you know i think that

[2:16:40] we need to move forward with a vote

[2:16:44] um at this point it

[2:16:46] is

[2:16:47] uh important for

[2:16:50] the village and for oberer

[2:16:53] to

[2:16:55] um move forward that's it

[2:16:58] okay thanks carmen uh marianne did you

[2:17:00] have anything you wanted to

[2:17:02] say at this point

[2:17:04] no

[2:17:05] okay

[2:17:05] um yeah i'm i guess i'm just gonna

[2:17:08] reiterate that uh

[2:17:10] i don't believe that

[2:17:12] any level of

[2:17:14] financial modeling is going to resolve

[2:17:17] this issue of

[2:17:18] what we're going to get in terms of

[2:17:20] property and income tax um

[2:17:22] and anybody that thinks they have that

[2:17:24] crystal ball i i just don't believe it

[2:17:27] and i've talked to a lot of people about

[2:17:28] this

[2:17:29] um

[2:17:30] mostly i'm focused on the fact that um

[2:17:34] we have two options

[2:17:35] and

[2:17:36] if we

[2:17:37] decide not to go with the pud i think we

[2:17:40] lose a lot i don't want to see

[2:17:43] um 143 single-family homes only

[2:17:48] and um i think denise did a very good

[2:17:51] job of explaining not just meeting three

[2:17:53] of the factors but meeting five of those

[2:17:56] factors um

[2:17:58] yes i agree that you know there's not

[2:18:00] really a stream there but there are

[2:18:02] other aspects of the forest and whatnot

[2:18:05] what didn't come up in the videos and

[2:18:08] other things was the fact that we have

[2:18:11] 23.4

[2:18:13] open space

[2:18:14] as opposed to you know the the minimum

[2:18:17] 15

[2:18:18] um

[2:18:19] but i do agree i think that a lot of

[2:18:22] work's been done a lot a lot of analysis

[2:18:24] has been done and so um

[2:18:27] i also would like to see us

[2:18:29] take a vote um

[2:18:31] with that said

[2:18:33] lisa i don't know if you want to make a

[2:18:34] motion for a modification or

[2:18:42] uh sure um i i make a motion for two

[2:18:46] modifications

[2:18:48] an updated site plan that includes

[2:18:51] options of smaller houses in the design

[2:18:53] mix

[2:18:55] and

[2:18:56] revisiting of the environmental analysis

[2:19:00] okay

[2:19:01] is there a second

[2:19:06] okay i'm not hearing or seeing a second

[2:19:09] um so i think the next step then is to

[2:19:12] uh take our vote on uh the pud

[2:19:16] and um

[2:19:17] this will also be an opportunity for

[2:19:19] each council member to articulate why

[2:19:22] they're voting um and uh

[2:19:25] judy i'll turn it to you to call the

[2:19:27] role

[2:19:30] all right

[2:19:33] brown

[2:19:35] yep

[2:19:38] okay and did you want to say anything

[2:19:40] about why it's a yes vote carmen or

[2:19:44] oh yeah no i no

[2:19:47] okay okay

[2:19:51] krieger

[2:19:53] no for the reasons

[2:19:56] thank you mcqueen

[2:19:59] i'm i'm voting yes and um

[2:20:04] truly sorry that um

[2:20:08] this has been um well what i i think of

[2:20:11] as a huge misunderstanding by a lot of

[2:20:14] in the community about what's possible

[2:20:16] and what isn't possible on the other

[2:20:18] hand i am very heartened to know

[2:20:21] how much passion there is about the

[2:20:24] community and about housing and i really

[2:20:27] look forward to looking

[2:20:29] to working with all of the people who

[2:20:31] have this passion

[2:20:33] on another project that we can actually

[2:20:36] plan together

[2:20:38] that

[2:20:39] either on the glass farm property that

[2:20:41] the village owns or coming together and

[2:20:44] purchasing a property that can meet some

[2:20:47] more of the community needs that we have

[2:20:50] having been in the community for 50

[2:20:52] years

[2:20:54] i've had a chance to

[2:20:56] i know that life doesn't follow in a

[2:20:59] straight line and there are all sorts of

[2:21:01] things that can happen

[2:21:03] and while this isn't necessarily

[2:21:06] what i would design as a a project

[2:21:09] i actually have a fair amount of hope

[2:21:12] and can

[2:21:14] see some positive outcomes

[2:21:22] thank you

[2:21:24] so i want to preface my vote by saying

[2:21:26] that um

[2:21:28] although some may feel that i haven't

[2:21:31] listened um that is the one reason that

[2:21:34] i believe i continue to be on council

[2:21:38] is that i listen to all voices

[2:21:40] i do my best to balance all interest in

[2:21:43] the community

[2:21:44] i think a lot about um

[2:21:47] what is factual

[2:21:49] what is opinion

[2:21:51] um uh what motivations are and then try

[2:21:55] to come up with the best decision

[2:21:56] possible

[2:21:57] i understand um that

[2:22:00] you know like many have said that if i

[2:22:03] own the property and and i had the

[2:22:06] ability to design it that um i would do

[2:22:08] differently like many would

[2:22:10] um but i also understand that under our

[2:22:13] existing zoning um

[2:22:16] we have to make decisions in that regard

[2:22:19] and

[2:22:20] um i guess the last thing i want to say

[2:22:23] with my vote is that i am committed to

[2:22:26] um doing a deep dive on our zoning and

[2:22:29] also looking at the opportunities for

[2:22:32] affordable rentals and everything else

[2:22:34] with some of the property that um

[2:22:37] there's actually a piece of property

[2:22:38] that's coming back to the village that

[2:22:40] is going to be ideal

[2:22:42] and so there are a lot of different just

[2:22:44] different things that i'm thinking about

[2:22:46] and this discussion has really brought

[2:22:47] all that together

[2:22:49] and i hope that

[2:22:50] um

[2:22:52] it doesn't have to remain divisive um

[2:22:54] we've dealt with a lot of things in the

[2:22:55] past that uh with levy and everything

[2:22:58] that um i hope we can get beyond and

[2:23:01] truly work together um

[2:23:04] to

[2:23:04] benefit everyone in the village and so

[2:23:06] with that i am going to vote yes for the

[2:23:08] pud

[2:23:09] pardon

[2:23:11] yes can you hear me yes

[2:23:13] so it's no

[2:23:15] i'm gonna post the pud and i

[2:23:19] just wanted to make sure that we were

[2:23:23] um

[2:23:24] voting on that so the answer is no on

[2:23:26] the pud

[2:23:28] okay and did you want to explain your

[2:23:30] did you want to explain your vote carmen

[2:23:32] um well because it's

[2:23:34] like as far as my constituents are

[2:23:35] concerned

[2:23:38] um

[2:23:39] with the issue of affordable housing

[2:23:41] it's not

[2:23:42] and i understand that ober is not here

[2:23:44] in town to

[2:23:46] um

[2:23:48] provide us with affordable housing

[2:23:51] and

[2:23:52] there are some issues that i have with

[2:23:54] the comprehensive land use agreement

[2:23:57] that don't jive with it

[2:24:01] um

[2:24:02] and

[2:24:03] that

[2:24:05] you know the workers in this village

[2:24:07] people who want to live here

[2:24:09] this is not affordable for them

[2:24:16] okay

[2:24:19] all right

[2:24:23] judy or brienne do you need anything

[2:24:25] else before we move on to the next uh

[2:24:27] legislation i do not but i'll just

[2:24:30] clarify since it might not be apparent

[2:24:32] to some folks if that means that the uh

[2:24:34] vote fails

[2:24:36] okay

[2:24:38] all right so next up we've got ordnance

[2:24:40] 202203

[2:24:42] and judy we can read that in by title

[2:24:44] only

[2:24:47] oh there's more legislation sorry

[2:24:51] see

[2:24:52] repealing old chapter 288 arts and

[2:24:54] culture commission of title viii boards

[2:24:56] and commissions of part two

[2:24:57] administration code of the codified

[2:24:59] ordinances of the village of yellow

[2:25:00] springs ohio and enacting new chapter

[2:25:02] 288 public arts and culture commission

[2:25:05] all right can i get a motion

[2:25:09] i move

[2:25:12] second

[2:25:14] okay um i don't think there's much

[2:25:16] discussion here we're changing the name

[2:25:19] um

[2:25:19] to uh add public uh for clarity

[2:25:24] so uh does anyone have any questions or

[2:25:27] comments

[2:25:28] oh i'm sorry

[2:25:30] uh open the public hearing um any

[2:25:32] questions or comments before we

[2:25:35] uh close the public hearing

[2:25:39] all right i'm going to close the public

[2:25:41] hearing then and judy if you can call

[2:25:44] the role please

[2:25:45] yes krieger

[2:25:47] yes thanks council

[2:25:49] stokes

[2:25:50] yes

[2:25:59] thank you

[2:26:00] mcqueen

[2:26:02] yes

[2:26:04] thank you okay uh next up we've got the

[2:26:08] first reading of ordinance 2022.04

[2:26:12] and judy we can do that by title only as

[2:26:14] well

[2:26:15] okay this is the 2022 first quarter

[2:26:17] supplemental appropriations and

[2:26:19] declaring an emergency village of yellow

[2:26:21] springs ohio so this is a one read

[2:26:23] emergency ordinance

[2:26:25] okay

[2:26:26] um can i get a motion

[2:26:30] second

[2:26:31] all right

[2:26:32] um so let's go ahead and open the public

[2:26:34] hearing and um

[2:26:37] is matt dillon talking about this

[2:26:42] correct brian

[2:26:48] all right yeah so uh with the

[2:26:49] supplemental we have a request for an

[2:26:51] additional 724 thousand dollars

[2:26:54] uh 320 the 348 000 is related to the

[2:26:58] general fund and i'll go ahead and break

[2:27:00] this down as follows

[2:27:02] 238 000 are related to

[2:27:06] supplemental needs within lawson place

[2:27:08] apartments

[2:27:10] 50 000

[2:27:11] related to

[2:27:12] transfers out to capital to satisfy our

[2:27:14] budgeted needs

[2:27:16] and forty thousand dollars related to a

[2:27:19] this is a net neutral uh shift in the

[2:27:21] salary allocations to

[2:27:23] uh

[2:27:24] um to the general fund uh mostly in a

[2:27:26] reduction from from the electric fund

[2:27:30] and in addition we have two uh

[2:27:32] unforeseen needs

[2:27:34] related to

[2:27:35] one is twelve thousand dollars

[2:27:37] uh twelve thousand five hundred related

[2:27:39] to the revcord system upgrade uh this is

[2:27:42] for the dispatch systems

[2:27:44] and is a communication system that that

[2:27:46] is vital to the dispatch system

[2:27:49] and uh seven thousand dollars related to

[2:27:52] a asset value valuation

[2:27:55] um for invoice o to c biz

[2:27:58] that is the the general fund that makes

[2:28:00] up 348 000

[2:28:03] uh with the enterprises we're asking for

[2:28:06] a supplemental budget of

[2:28:08] 375 000. 98 dollars net need to the

[2:28:12] electric fund 150 of 150 000

[2:28:16] of this need is related to the power

[2:28:19] cost for our aep solar farm

[2:28:22] or solar field um that's owed to aep

[2:28:25] uh fifteen thousand dollars

[2:28:27] is related to a new transformer we have

[2:28:29] received a reimbursement for that that

[2:28:32] cost but uh would need to appropriate

[2:28:34] that through the expense budget

[2:28:36] and uh

[2:28:37] this is all netted out with shifts away

[2:28:40] from the electric fund

[2:28:42] due to personnel needs in other areas

[2:28:46] in addition to the electric fund needs

[2:28:48] we also have a 213 thousand dollar need

[2:28:51] related to the water fund this is for an

[2:28:53] additional payment for

[2:28:55] the ohio public works in our ohio ohio

[2:28:59] water development association loan

[2:29:02] these are really just more of an

[2:29:03] accounting treatment to catch up to the

[2:29:06] invoice dates as opposed to the payment

[2:29:08] dates due

[2:29:09] and

[2:29:10] previously we've we've gone on paying

[2:29:12] them based on

[2:29:14] uh

[2:29:15] the date of the payment so this is

[2:29:17] really just a catch up and more of an

[2:29:18] accounting purposes

[2:29:21] requests as opposed to a new need

[2:29:23] related to these loans

[2:29:25] and um

[2:29:26] in regards to the sewer fund we have a

[2:29:29] request for 64 000

[2:29:31] uh this is again related to the

[2:29:34] an additional payment for our owda in

[2:29:37] ohio public

[2:29:39] works collaboration

[2:29:40] loans um for infrastructure

[2:29:43] as well as thirty thousand dollars in

[2:29:45] salary shifts uh related to

[2:29:47] um uh where personnel is currently

[2:29:50] working on and uh charging those funds

[2:29:53] appropriately

[2:29:56] i would like to add something uh brian

[2:29:58] on the last place apartment you're gonna

[2:30:00] see that high number and that's due

[2:30:02] because we closed on the property and

[2:30:04] this year in 2022 so we're shifting that

[2:30:07] expenditure over to

[2:30:09] year 2022

[2:30:11] so that's why you're seeing that that uh

[2:30:13] higher amount under loss in place what

[2:30:16] also is included in that amount is the

[2:30:18] mortgage payment utility payment

[2:30:20] insurance and all the operating costs

[2:30:22] that in order for us to spend that money

[2:30:24] we have to have it appropriated in the

[2:30:27] budget

[2:30:29] and the revenue streams will come

[2:30:31] through as part of the payment

[2:30:32] collections as a separate items on our

[2:30:34] revenues so i just wanted to provide

[2:30:37] some clarity on on that

[2:30:39] all right thank you josue uh any

[2:30:42] questions or comments from council

[2:30:48] okay if not i'm going to close the

[2:30:49] public hearing and judy if you could

[2:30:50] call the role please

[2:30:53] yes mcqueen

[2:30:56] brown

[2:30:57] yes

[2:30:58] stokes yes krieger

[2:31:02] yes

[2:31:05] thank you

[2:31:06] all right next up we've got resolution

[2:31:08] 20 22

[2:31:10] 10

[2:31:11] and we can read that in by title only

[2:31:14] this is approving the purchase of a

[2:31:16] sludge press

[2:31:18] all right can i get a motion

[2:31:23] second

[2:31:24] all right um

[2:31:27] josue are you talking about this this is

[2:31:29] me that's the kind of enthusiasm i was

[2:31:31] hoping for yes

[2:31:33] all right so sledge press i want to take

[2:31:36] you back in time to

[2:31:38] september 8th to 2020 when we were

[2:31:42] pulling out of uh renergie and we did

[2:31:44] not know what we were going to do with

[2:31:46] all of our biosolids i'm sure there's

[2:31:48] other ways to describe the biosolids but

[2:31:50] we found ourselves in a bit of a pile so

[2:31:53] we went on an exploratory process at the

[2:31:55] time we thought it was going to be more

[2:31:57] costly to move away from energy and just

[2:32:00] background renergie is that company just

[2:32:02] outside of town that took or biosolids

[2:32:04] as a liquid and they did some fancy

[2:32:07] stuff with it to turn it into energy and

[2:32:09] in that process

[2:32:10] they've upset a lot of a lot of

[2:32:12] neighbors

[2:32:13] uh anyway so we pulled out of energy

[2:32:15] we're unsure what what all the financial

[2:32:18] impact would be

[2:32:19] so we proposed two options an on-site

[2:32:22] sled on-site sludge press and removal

[2:32:25] and then we would deliver it to

[2:32:28] landfills

[2:32:29] brown county landfill was one of them we

[2:32:31] were already we already had an energy

[2:32:33] contract with them or we could apply it

[2:32:35] locally we had permits that we could

[2:32:37] apply the biosolids on farmlands um we

[2:32:41] thought that that might be hit or miss

[2:32:42] with the popularity with our neighbors

[2:32:45] but that was an option the other piece

[2:32:47] was outsourcing biosolids removal at the

[2:32:50] time we had a mobile press

[2:32:53] lined up to haul any additional

[2:32:55] biosolids we tried that out for some

[2:32:57] time it was very expensive

[2:33:00] whether they're landfill options

[2:33:02] i think carbon's really excited about

[2:33:04] this

[2:33:05] biogas generation of brown at brown

[2:33:07] county landfill

[2:33:09] so we center by outside of there they

[2:33:10] have a landfill which collects the

[2:33:13] landfill gas that goes into wells then

[2:33:16] gas extraction which gets burned off

[2:33:18] using gas engines and it generates

[2:33:21] electricity and it comes back to us so

[2:33:23] that's one of the landfill options we're

[2:33:25] looking at

[2:33:26] and we've continued using that model so

[2:33:29] this is a map of the lan application

[2:33:32] approved sites that we had those are

[2:33:34] everything on blue that we could apply

[2:33:36] or buy at solids on we did again we

[2:33:39] didn't go that route

[2:33:41] we went with the onsite sludge press

[2:33:44] this is what tomato plants that grow

[2:33:46] under biosolids look like

[2:33:48] this is a brad he he i was impressed

[2:33:51] with his uh

[2:33:53] skills of playing in this stuff and

[2:33:55] looking at the tomato plants but you

[2:33:57] know biosolids are that good that they

[2:33:59] they were growing tomato plants so after

[2:34:02] all of this

[2:34:03] we pursued this avenue we thought it was

[2:34:05] going to be more expensive we're

[2:34:07] pleasantly surprised that through this

[2:34:09] extensive process

[2:34:10] the

[2:34:12] on-site sludge press

[2:34:14] and pressing on site and delivering to

[2:34:16] brown county landfill has resulted in

[2:34:19] solving a problem that we have while

[2:34:21] also

[2:34:22] saving us money how much you may ask

[2:34:25] looking at the total expense for 2021 of

[2:34:29] uh renting the machine where 82 000 um

[2:34:32] hauling to energy would have cost us uh

[2:34:34] 80 000. so that price point is just a

[2:34:37] little bit higher but we're looking at

[2:34:40] the in the 82 000 it includes the rental

[2:34:43] of the of the machine if we buy the

[2:34:45] machine which is what you're voting on

[2:34:47] now we would buy the machine

[2:34:50] 156 000

[2:34:52] we won't have that rental expense that's

[2:34:54] going to save us 21

[2:34:57] hundred and seven dollars on an annual

[2:34:59] basis because we won't have a rental

[2:35:02] expense uh we will own the machine so

[2:35:04] this machine would have a return on

[2:35:07] investment or we'll break even or make

[2:35:09] our money back in seven to eight years

[2:35:11] in savings

[2:35:12] so this this uh resolution before you

[2:35:15] does two things

[2:35:17] it it helps ensure the continuation of

[2:35:19] dealing with biosolids in a responsible

[2:35:22] and economic way and it also uh has a a

[2:35:26] return investment where the money that

[2:35:28] you put into allowing us to buy this

[2:35:30] press machine will make back in seven to

[2:35:32] eight years in the machine with good

[2:35:35] care it can live for another 20 years

[2:35:37] johnny is online he can talk a bit more

[2:35:39] detail on how the how the gears and all

[2:35:42] that stuff work it's some really fancy

[2:35:43] stuff

[2:35:45] and we're excited that we found the

[2:35:46] solution

[2:35:47] so i asked for your authorization to

[2:35:50] buy this machine

[2:35:55] okay thanks josue uh are there any

[2:35:57] questions or comments from council

[2:35:59] members

[2:36:01] yeah so what is the life expectancy

[2:36:03] josue

[2:36:06] johnny

[2:36:07] you want to take that

[2:36:13] are you there

[2:36:14] yes so the life expectancy marianne this

[2:36:18] was completely rebuilt when we got it so

[2:36:22] as long as we do our maintenance and

[2:36:24] upkeep

[2:36:25] uh the life expectancy is as good as the

[2:36:28] motors that are on it so i'm figuring

[2:36:30] you know as long as we do our

[2:36:31] maintenance we're

[2:36:33] 20 to 30 years and we have to do motor

[2:36:36] maintenance

[2:36:38] but this one was completely rebuilt

[2:36:40] before we took it upon rent and it had

[2:36:42] already been in place for

[2:36:43] 20 years so it's got brand new motors

[2:36:46] we had to replace the conveyor belt on

[2:36:48] it this year due to a snagging the thing

[2:36:52] but we got that taken care of

[2:36:57] okay

[2:36:58] anything else

[2:37:04] right if not then um

[2:37:07] gee if you can call the roll please

[2:37:09] yes stokes

[2:37:12] brown

[2:37:13] yes

[2:37:14] the queen

[2:37:15] yes

[2:37:16] krieger

[2:37:17] yes

[2:37:20] thank you

[2:37:22] okay

[2:37:23] uh next up or last up is resolution 20

[2:37:26] 22 11.

[2:37:28] and we can also do that by title only

[2:37:31] all right this is authorizing payment of

[2:37:33] invoices with then announce certificate

[2:37:35] for the first quarter of 2022.

[2:37:38] can i get a motion

[2:37:40] second

[2:37:42] all right matt dillon

[2:37:44] brian if i may start with that because

[2:37:46] you know part of this is is you know i

[2:37:48] like to take ownership for when i screw

[2:37:50] up and uh

[2:37:52] one of these is a screw-up i made i we

[2:37:54] we were looking to value all of our

[2:37:56] infrastructure assets and we had engaged

[2:37:59] c biz in a work and somewhere along the

[2:38:02] line we missed a creating appeal so um

[2:38:07] that's why why you had this dinner now

[2:38:09] we in my two years and a half of being

[2:38:12] in the organization we've avoided

[2:38:14] dinner nows

[2:38:16] so this is my first one and i don't i

[2:38:18] hope that they're not a common

[2:38:20] occurrence

[2:38:21] so i wanted to pre-phase that

[2:38:25] and so that's that's 6 300 but we wanted

[2:38:28] to take the opportunity and catch up on

[2:38:30] a couple things one is this irs

[2:38:32] outstanding bill and let matt get to it

[2:38:34] and uh catch up on the

[2:38:37] loans for the water plant matt

[2:38:42] thank you this way

[2:38:43] yes so for the the two loan payments um

[2:38:46] you'll if you'll look at i've provided

[2:38:49] the invoices for those uh those have

[2:38:51] been dated um

[2:38:52] the the previous year uh they're both

[2:38:55] dated 2021

[2:38:57] and the payment dates were reflecting uh

[2:39:00] 2022 payment dates uh previously we've

[2:39:03] we've been paying these uh invoices and

[2:39:06] not budgeting enough to to complete

[2:39:08] those payments uh by year end

[2:39:11] so uh one thing to clean up is we're

[2:39:15] going to go ahead and add this

[2:39:17] what is essentially a third payment into

[2:39:19] the budget for this year for the opwc

[2:39:23] and owda payments uh and this doesn't

[2:39:26] doesn't relate to an additional payment

[2:39:28] owed

[2:39:29] um but more of an accounting treatment

[2:39:31] on how to catch up to those payments to

[2:39:33] reflect those

[2:39:34] in the year that the invoice is dated

[2:39:37] and not so much the year when the

[2:39:38] payment is due

[2:39:40] so that speaks to the the ohio water

[2:39:43] development association payments and the

[2:39:46] as far as the irs

[2:39:49] request is concerned

[2:39:51] we have received some correspondence

[2:39:53] from the irs related to payments

[2:39:56] or 941 filings which would be tax income

[2:40:00] taxes owed they had several adjustments

[2:40:02] to them

[2:40:03] and

[2:40:04] these adjustments were from errors that

[2:40:07] occurred

[2:40:08] from 2020 and

[2:40:10] earlier so um

[2:40:13] we're just attempting to catch up with

[2:40:14] the irs while we

[2:40:16] learn more about what what mistakes were

[2:40:19] made within those filings they were

[2:40:21] relatively minor but do add up over time

[2:40:24] but

[2:40:25] we just

[2:40:26] will

[2:40:26] go ahead and bring that to your

[2:40:28] attention and and communicate with the

[2:40:30] irs regarding accurate filings moving

[2:40:32] forward

[2:40:33] so matt you're saying we don't know

[2:40:36] what those issues were yet is that

[2:40:41] what i'm saying is i ha

[2:40:43] due to the nature of the communication

[2:40:45] with the irs at this at this time during

[2:40:47] uh due to the pandemic and various other

[2:40:49] things

[2:40:51] we've engaged in um

[2:40:53] a lot of

[2:40:54] postal mail correspondence without um

[2:40:57] really

[2:40:58] engaging in understanding what happened

[2:41:00] back in 2020 and prior what is clear to

[2:41:04] us is that they have

[2:41:05] submitted an invoice to us to catch up

[2:41:07] on these payments

[2:41:09] and

[2:41:10] through

[2:41:11] due diligence i will explore the

[2:41:13] opportunities that

[2:41:14] that our filings were possibly accurate

[2:41:16] prior to that and that this judgment

[2:41:19] against us um i'll explore you know and

[2:41:22] get some facts regarding that uh we

[2:41:25] wanted to bring this um then and now to

[2:41:26] your attention at this time because

[2:41:28] interest has been

[2:41:30] uh

[2:41:32] interest and penalties has been

[2:41:34] um put on to this

[2:41:36] to this finding and yeah i'm sorry i'm

[2:41:39] i'm clear about all that i just wanted

[2:41:40] to clarify that we don't know

[2:41:43] why these errors occurred

[2:41:45] and so it sounds like we don't know that

[2:41:47] yet but we will we're following up and

[2:41:50] then we may be able to appeal it or

[2:41:52] something is that right

[2:41:53] i hope to be able to articulate the

[2:41:55] findings a little bit more than i have

[2:41:56] at this very very moment

[2:41:58] what i only have is the correspondence

[2:42:00] received that i've

[2:42:02] provided to council

[2:42:04] and

[2:42:06] the general customer service phone

[2:42:07] number which hangs up after uh several

[2:42:10] attempts so we're we're looking to have

[2:42:13] a more

[2:42:14] um involved conversation with with the

[2:42:17] irs on that uh and again i think the

[2:42:20] amounts you'll see are rather minor is

[2:42:22] just about understanding the payment

[2:42:24] before we issue it

[2:42:26] okay lisa

[2:42:29] i feel like i should know this but who

[2:42:31] does our tax preparation

[2:42:34] we do

[2:42:36] well the the irs um we work with rita

[2:42:39] obviously rita's the uh the income tax

[2:42:41] collector on our behalf

[2:42:43] um but but certain payments from the

[2:42:45] village

[2:42:46] to the irs that

[2:42:48] were issued internally so that that

[2:42:51] would be that's the finance so the

[2:42:52] actual analysis and tax forms and

[2:42:55] figuring out how much we'd have to pay

[2:42:56] and everything has been done internally

[2:42:58] by the finance director

[2:43:02] not by like a tax accountant or

[2:43:04] something

[2:43:06] i'm sorry could you repeat that that

[2:43:08] seemed like a loaded question for me

[2:43:10] just to agree well i just i just don't

[2:43:12] know who

[2:43:13] like i have a tax accountant right

[2:43:16] but maybe it was the finance director

[2:43:18] who does that because it's within the

[2:43:20] scope of what a finance director does

[2:43:24] um somewhat lisa i mean honestly like we

[2:43:27] we have a shared relationship with rita

[2:43:29] regarding our tax filings um the the

[2:43:32] amount of to the village i would i would

[2:43:34] validate as my role as the finance

[2:43:36] director

[2:43:38] okay

[2:43:39] thanks i just didn't know

[2:43:40] and i may add some more to that lisa we

[2:43:43] we file our 941s which are the federal

[2:43:46] federal employee tax reports we don't

[2:43:49] file a tax return like a corporation or

[2:43:52] an individual

[2:43:54] at that level of tax preparation what we

[2:43:56] do file are annual reports to the state

[2:43:59] through the hinkle system and so that's

[2:44:01] the equivalent of our tax return if you

[2:44:04] will for the municipal corporation what

[2:44:06] we file for the federal government are

[2:44:08] these 941 reports which are primarily

[2:44:11] employee wages

[2:44:13] and we we do that ourselves because we

[2:44:16] do our own payroll processing

[2:44:18] uh one of the things that we've changed

[2:44:20] since matt's matt's been on board is

[2:44:22] moving to a more automated process with

[2:44:25] regards to

[2:44:26] wage payments and uh in reports

[2:44:29] so we automate a lot of that versus a

[2:44:31] more traditional manual process that

[2:44:33] existed

[2:44:35] in previous administration so i hope

[2:44:37] that that

[2:44:38] alleviates some of the some of the

[2:44:40] issues with reconciling the reports and

[2:44:43] to matt's point this report is

[2:44:46] looking at a discrepancy in filings

[2:44:48] before 2020. it could be a human error

[2:44:51] it could be a calculation you know it

[2:44:53] could be a number of things um matt's

[2:44:56] taking the proactive approach given the

[2:44:58] the delays and response from the from

[2:45:02] the irs letter after letter while still

[2:45:04] incurring the penalty and interest given

[2:45:06] the amount four thousand dollars we have

[2:45:08] no reason to vote to think that they're

[2:45:10] wrong unless we know what

[2:45:12] what they say we're wrong so we're just

[2:45:14] moving forward and paying for it and

[2:45:16] then we'll figure out if a credit is due

[2:45:18] to us or an employee down the road

[2:45:21] yeah i would agree with what what josue

[2:45:23] said thank you very much for helping me

[2:45:25] to articulate that

[2:45:26] i i do not pay bills which i do not

[2:45:29] understand

[2:45:30] in this case what we're attempting to do

[2:45:32] is bring our account current with them

[2:45:34] while we uh seek further information and

[2:45:37] uh as josue

[2:45:38] mentioned this the

[2:45:41] tax filings are somewhat an ongoing

[2:45:43] reconciliation process where amendments

[2:45:45] can be made to prior years which would

[2:45:47] cause a difference in the amounts owed

[2:45:54] okay anything else

[2:45:58] uh okay um

[2:46:01] judy can call the roll

[2:46:03] yes mcqueen

[2:46:09] krieger

[2:46:10] yes

[2:46:11] brown

[2:46:12] yes

[2:46:13] stokes

[2:46:14] yes

[2:46:17] thank you

[2:46:18] okay it's citizen concerns this is a

[2:46:20] time on the agenda where we'll take

[2:46:22] comments about anything that has not

[2:46:24] been on the agenda so

[2:46:26] uh no comments about the pud

[2:46:29] do we have any citizen concerns

[2:46:36] okay i'm assuming that matthew kirk's

[2:46:38] hand being up all this time is is not he

[2:46:41] he actually did send a text and say he

[2:46:45] wanted a minute i don't know if it's pud

[2:46:47] related or not

[2:46:52] all right he took his hand down so

[2:46:55] um

[2:46:56] all right

[2:46:57] guessing we don't have any citizen

[2:46:58] concerns

[2:47:01] okay

[2:47:02] so

[2:47:03] uh our treasurer report

[2:47:07] you're sure you want to go through this

[2:47:08] now

[2:47:10] well we put it off for long enough so

[2:47:12] we're we're gonna stick through all of

[2:47:15] this so all right so

[2:47:17] this is pretty outdated at this point i

[2:47:19] will say and um yeah we actually do now

[2:47:22] have a new

[2:47:23] uh quarterly report from

[2:47:26] uh brad drager which uh each things are

[2:47:30] shifting

[2:47:31] quite a good deal so your next report

[2:47:33] will be a little more exciting but as of

[2:47:34] september 30th september 30th 2021 the

[2:47:38] village had under active investment 10

[2:47:40] million 470 408 dollars that's an

[2:47:45] increase of

[2:47:47] six hundred 273

[2:47:47] ten since the second quarter report

[2:47:50] that total investment numbers derived

[2:47:52] from combining the raymond jane's

[2:47:53] account and the west bank of account

[2:47:54] information

[2:47:56] interest earnings from july through

[2:47:58] september were raymond james one 1 26

[2:48:03] and 37 cents and west banco 31 788.16

[2:48:09] last treasurer's report was in september

[2:48:12] you do have brad drager's quarterly

[2:48:14] report to the village which was written

[2:48:15] in october and then you will get be

[2:48:17] getting a new one in the next

[2:48:21] in the next treasurer's report i've got

[2:48:23] information on par value and money

[2:48:25] market funds and that sort of thing

[2:48:27] those have not moved except to

[2:48:29] shift up

[2:48:31] in terms of how much more recent they

[2:48:33] are

[2:48:34] i guess the most um

[2:48:36] notable thing there is that the

[2:48:37] estimated annual coupon cash flow is

[2:48:40] eight thousand nine hundred and forty

[2:48:41] two dollars

[2:48:43] and the annual cash flow is just about

[2:48:45] that eight thousand nine hundred and

[2:48:47] forty four dollars

[2:48:48] the village had zero funds in star oak

[2:48:51] ohio in the last quarter

[2:48:53] 493 531 dollars in raymond james and

[2:48:57] nine million nine hundred seventy six

[2:48:59] thousand eight hundred and seventy six

[2:49:01] in the west bank account

[2:49:02] as of september thirtieth the raymond

[2:49:05] james rate for the raymond james uh cd

[2:49:08] purchases are earning an average of one

[2:49:09] point nine two

[2:49:11] on a 1.13 year commitment and west bank

[2:49:15] rate is fixed at 1.25 with nearly

[2:49:17] immediate availability star ohio back

[2:49:20] then as a comparison was earning 0.08

[2:49:24] um

[2:49:26] which was the place it was in the

[2:49:28] september treasurer's report that's

[2:49:29] going to change a lot for the next

[2:49:30] report

[2:49:32] treasury rates are climbing ever so

[2:49:34] slowly and we actually have a um

[2:49:37] we're gonna we have a meeting set up

[2:49:38] with brad drager in the next coming

[2:49:40] weeks to talk about possibly shifting

[2:49:42] funds and that is a discussion we

[2:49:44] haven't had in

[2:49:45] a very long time so that's that's the

[2:49:48] significance of the

[2:49:49] rising interest rates in the last couple

[2:49:51] of months that's it

[2:49:53] all right thanks judy

[2:49:55] any questions for judy

[2:49:59] there are a whole nother 58 pages on

[2:50:05] i summarized

[2:50:07] okay

[2:50:08] uh all right well thank you very much um

[2:50:11] old business um

[2:50:13] we are going to talk a little bit about

[2:50:15] commission updates

[2:50:17] let me start first um two things that we

[2:50:19] need to uh wrap up i'd mention the ys

[2:50:23] schools liaison

[2:50:25] and i don't know if anyone's interested

[2:50:28] in that i am willing to be that liaison

[2:50:31] but happy for someone else who is

[2:50:34] interested to do it

[2:50:36] i'd i'd be willing to

[2:50:39] co-do that with you if you are

[2:50:41] interested being alternate

[2:50:43] sure

[2:50:44] and then secondly i i was reminded that

[2:50:47] um we typically have a chamber liaison i

[2:50:50] have been that person in the past

[2:50:52] but if there is a council member that

[2:50:55] would like to take on that role um i'm

[2:50:58] happy to pass the torch but i'm also

[2:51:00] fine with uh

[2:51:02] continuing that

[2:51:04] you know i don't mean to sign other

[2:51:06] people up for work but it might seem to

[2:51:08] align nicely with the development

[2:51:10] corporation

[2:51:16] sorry about that mr stokes

[2:51:20] yes ma'am um i agree with your

[2:51:22] assessment by the way

[2:51:25] so

[2:51:26] uh

[2:51:28] yeah brian are you are you uh

[2:51:30] considering at least staying alternate

[2:51:33] um

[2:51:34] sure

[2:51:36] uh yeah i guess i there is a meeting

[2:51:39] this thursday at 8 am

[2:51:42] and it is via zoom

[2:51:45] so

[2:51:46] um and yeah just keep in mind because we

[2:51:48] got in a little bit of hot water um

[2:51:52] but the liaison role is we just give

[2:51:54] updates

[2:51:55] we're not voting or anything like that

[2:51:57] so

[2:51:58] yeah i see mark heiss is on um so mark

[2:52:01] you can go ahead and mike often if you

[2:52:02] want to say something

[2:52:09] or mike on i should say

[2:52:12] so

[2:52:13] i just want to say i would be more than

[2:52:15] happy to um provide kevin with the with

[2:52:18] the zoom meeting and we would welcome

[2:52:20] any input from the

[2:52:22] council um

[2:52:24] very very we're very excited about this

[2:52:26] year as as josue knows

[2:52:28] because we've been very active in

[2:52:30] keeping the village updated on our plans

[2:52:32] um so it's going to be an exciting year

[2:52:34] and we welcome any input from it from

[2:52:37] the village

[2:52:38] yeah thanks mark and i really appreciate

[2:52:41] your and britney's and others energy

[2:52:44] behind um reviving the chamber and um we

[2:52:48] definitely want to have a close

[2:52:49] relationship just like with the schools

[2:52:52] all right so kevin does that mean you

[2:52:54] wanna you would like to be that primary

[2:52:56] liaison to the chamber that is what it

[2:52:59] means yes okay great

[2:53:01] okay and then

[2:53:02] [Music]

[2:53:05] okay and then um

[2:53:07] lisa was this also your agenda item

[2:53:14] uh

[2:53:16] not really i mean i guess what we have

[2:53:18] to think about

[2:53:20] um so a little bit

[2:53:24] the the coordinator of the village

[2:53:26] mediation program has resigned for a

[2:53:28] wonderful new opportunity

[2:53:30] and so uh marianne and i are going to

[2:53:33] have a

[2:53:35] conversation on

[2:53:36] friday with a esteemed member of the

[2:53:39] mediation team

[2:53:41] to have some

[2:53:44] brainstorming

[2:53:45] about how

[2:53:47] that coordinator position

[2:53:50] given that mediation is always a

[2:53:52] confidential and private

[2:53:56] thing how we might be able to leverage

[2:53:58] some of that person power

[2:54:00] to get the crb at least up and running

[2:54:04] um so i'm excited about that because

[2:54:08] it's the right skill set in the long run

[2:54:10] i'm not saying that the village

[2:54:12] mediation program is the crb

[2:54:14] i'm just saying we need some capacity

[2:54:18] so if we can find a person with the

[2:54:19] right skill set who's a very

[2:54:21] well-trained mediator that's following

[2:54:24] the dayton model which was very

[2:54:26] successful

[2:54:27] where the crb

[2:54:30] was coordinated by mediators

[2:54:33] what's left clear to me

[2:54:35] is how

[2:54:37] and we don't have to decide this tonight

[2:54:39] for heaven's sake

[2:54:40] but i keep thinking about how is the

[2:54:42] effort to stand up the crb

[2:54:46] going to sit

[2:54:48] um

[2:54:49] in the in the uh

[2:54:53] with the other commission that carmen

[2:54:55] and

[2:54:56] kevin are working on

[2:54:58] and i just i just don't know because i

[2:55:00] feel like it sets us up for sunshine

[2:55:03] law complications

[2:55:06] if we have this body of people who are

[2:55:08] very very interested

[2:55:10] in these justice system issues that have

[2:55:13] two council persons and then if i i

[2:55:15] don't want to be just like

[2:55:17] floating out there on the side

[2:55:19] and not really able to join the groups i

[2:55:22] just i don't have an answer but i have

[2:55:24] been fretting about it

[2:55:26] structural perspective

[2:55:28] yeah i mean i will say you know

[2:55:31] when a it's a publicly announced meeting

[2:55:34] um that you know means that uh

[2:55:37] council members

[2:55:39] can participate so

[2:55:41] um

[2:55:43] yeah and i think that that doesn't

[2:55:45] remind me i think the other reason we

[2:55:46] had this on on here was to talk about um

[2:55:49] the mash-up

[2:55:51] between um the justice system commission

[2:55:54] and um hrc

[2:55:56] uh but i would propose that um i think

[2:55:59] we're all getting to the point where

[2:56:01] we've probably had um quite a bit of

[2:56:03] council meeting so uh

[2:56:05] why don't we why don't we more formally

[2:56:07] place this on the agenda for next time

[2:56:10] right right and brian let me say that

[2:56:12] yeah uh carmen uh and judy and i

[2:56:16] had some conversations about it we

[2:56:18] post some initial changes so it's you

[2:56:20] know it is a a

[2:56:23] live moving process and with respect to

[2:56:25] the crb um i do

[2:56:28] suppose there would probably be a

[2:56:29] relationship but i don't know that the

[2:56:32] social justice commission would do much

[2:56:35] more than

[2:56:36] referring perhaps to the

[2:56:39] crb

[2:56:40] not i don't i don't

[2:56:42] i don't see yet and i could be convinced

[2:56:44] either way but there being a hardline

[2:56:47] relationship between between the two so

[2:56:50] um i think that

[2:56:52] leads to with that uh situation allay

[2:56:55] some of your concerns

[2:56:57] yeah i just don't want to get into a

[2:56:59] situation where it's just too difficult

[2:57:01] to make decisions together

[2:57:03] if you know if we're if we're in liaison

[2:57:05] with vmp which

[2:57:07] marianne and i and we'll work it out

[2:57:10] yeah in this i think this certainly um

[2:57:14] i'm just going to say this you know we

[2:57:16] saw a a massive display of a lot of

[2:57:20] citizen engagement

[2:57:22] um you know i'll just say to those that

[2:57:24] are still listening um here's a place

[2:57:26] where you can step up um and and uh

[2:57:29] create uh some more bandwidth and some

[2:57:32] more capacity for village council

[2:57:35] we need folks to serve on these

[2:57:36] commissions that are that are forming or

[2:57:39] morphing um you know so i think for the

[2:57:42] next couple of council meetings we have

[2:57:43] to perhaps consider making that clarion

[2:57:45] call

[2:57:46] and again encourage folks who have

[2:57:48] apparently a great deal of energy and

[2:57:49] i'm not being disrespectful i'm just

[2:57:51] saying

[2:57:52] um here's a good place to use some of

[2:57:55] that energy

[2:57:57] okay sounds good

[2:57:59] um all right so we have no new business

[2:58:01] and

[2:58:02] um i

[2:58:04] would like manager's report to be uh

[2:58:07] either brief or if there are any

[2:58:09] questions

[2:58:12] so josue is there anything in particular

[2:58:13] that you need to highlight

[2:58:16] a lot of good stuff going on um

[2:58:19] body cameras we're almost ready to bring

[2:58:21] back a presentation of the the policy

[2:58:24] we're probably two two meetings away

[2:58:26] um

[2:58:27] good things happening on the

[2:58:31] water loss charts we've included those

[2:58:33] charts for you i hope you've appreciated

[2:58:35] uh you see the significant water loss

[2:58:37] reductions

[2:58:39] we've had

[2:58:40] um

[2:58:41] police chief search we've settled on

[2:58:43] dates so i'll be working on that this

[2:58:45] week to

[2:58:47] schedule those interviews schedule those

[2:58:49] forums

[2:58:50] and move forward with that process

[2:58:53] okay i'm open to questions

[2:58:55] all right does anyone have any questions

[2:58:57] for josue

[2:59:00] all right thanks josue um hopefully next

[2:59:03] meeting we'll have more time uh to hear

[2:59:06] about some of that great stuff all right

[2:59:08] future agenda items anything um

[2:59:13] that

[2:59:14] folks want to make sure is in the mix

[2:59:16] yes um i want to be able to talk about

[2:59:19] the active transportation

[2:59:21] um team

[2:59:23] whatever i call it and i'd like to meet

[2:59:26] with you ryan between now and the next

[2:59:27] meeting so that we could make a proposal

[2:59:31] okay sounds great

[2:59:32] anything else um

[2:59:34] judy and i guess this is a question for

[2:59:36] judy and carmen could we at least have

[2:59:39] something to present

[2:59:42] in the second meeting in march regarding

[2:59:44] the

[2:59:46] justice system commission

[2:59:49] yeah i'm on board for that

[2:59:52] okay judy

[2:59:54] absolutely i mean i can i've sort of

[2:59:56] been holding off on

[2:59:57] taking a machete to that ordinance and

[2:59:59] quacking stuff in and pulling stuff out

[3:00:02] um

[3:00:03] but i can start doing that and then you

[3:00:05] can

[3:00:06] weigh in and we'll get we'll get

[3:00:07] something we'll get a draft going so yes

[3:00:09] is the short answer there okay so that's

[3:00:12] like the 21st of march

[3:00:16] i believe so haven't looked that far

[3:00:19] ahead

[3:00:20] that sounds right

[3:00:21] okay anything else yeah really quickly

[3:00:23] i'm interested in

[3:00:25] the crb proposal being put forward with

[3:00:28] the two pillars

[3:00:30] um

[3:00:31] intact

[3:00:35] [Music]

[3:00:38] okay

[3:00:40] so the two pillars have to do with the

[3:00:44] um

[3:00:45] protection of confidentiality and so

[3:00:48] that relates to my comments

[3:00:50] before about possibly being able to use

[3:00:53] a trained mediator to do confidential

[3:00:55] intake

[3:00:56] um and then the other one has to do

[3:01:00] um with the scope of power of the crb to

[3:01:03] make recommendations about

[3:01:06] um

[3:01:07] you know what should happen with

[3:01:09] officers around who there's been a

[3:01:11] complaint

[3:01:12] and that echoes back to my comments i

[3:01:15] think at the last council meeting where

[3:01:17] i said we still really have to have a

[3:01:20] genuine legal review of the proposal

[3:01:23] for the ohio legality that we didn't get

[3:01:27] from our previous attorney guy whose

[3:01:30] name i don't remember right now and i

[3:01:31] apologize for that we still need to get

[3:01:34] that insight and until we get that we

[3:01:37] are kind of uh

[3:01:41] i'm struggling with the with the scope

[3:01:43] of the second pillar

[3:01:46] right

[3:01:48] regarding mediation

[3:01:50] has anyone reached out to jane rothman

[3:01:58] he's part of that group

[3:02:00] so

[3:02:01] and you may recall that at one point

[3:02:04] way back in the

[3:02:06] stone ages

[3:02:07] there were some members of the mediation

[3:02:09] team who were very interested in

[3:02:12] becoming the

[3:02:14] beginning seeds of the crb and that was

[3:02:17] good because they have the right kind of

[3:02:19] training

[3:02:20] and background so

[3:02:23] um

[3:02:24] i mean i i while i'm sorry that we've

[3:02:27] had turnover

[3:02:29] in that role i think that

[3:02:33] it may create a real opportunity to find

[3:02:36] the right person

[3:02:38] who could

[3:02:39] be at least the first

[3:02:42] coordinator

[3:02:43] that could do both things

[3:02:45] yeah can i i'll jump in for a minute i

[3:02:49] uh as lisa said given that um

[3:02:52] luciana

[3:02:54] has very fortunately for her been

[3:02:57] named to a

[3:02:59] rapid response team uh mediation for the

[3:03:02] date for dayton it just seemed like

[3:03:05] we have two needs that are basically a

[3:03:08] similar need and

[3:03:10] it isn't neither of the need presumably

[3:03:13] will take up a lot of time per month so

[3:03:17] it seemed like at least we might talk

[3:03:19] about is there a way to consolidate

[3:03:23] that one person

[3:03:24] however the two groups

[3:03:27] move forward

[3:03:29] and maybe there would end up being two

[3:03:31] people but it would be a way to get to

[3:03:33] jumpstart the

[3:03:35] crb

[3:03:36] and also continue the mediation program

[3:03:39] because

[3:03:41] probably the mediation gets a few calls

[3:03:44] every month you know it varies but

[3:03:47] um so we're not looking at a

[3:03:49] a huge

[3:03:51] time commitment for any one person and

[3:03:53] if we put them together

[3:03:55] we could probably save some money and

[3:03:57] give one person a little more

[3:03:59] opportunity

[3:04:01] so it sounds like we're

[3:04:04] we're now like talking about uh you know

[3:04:07] the issue rather than just a

[3:04:09] future agenda item so

[3:04:11] let's put it on the agenda

[3:04:13] um do we have any other future agenda

[3:04:15] items

[3:04:18] that's right then i put alex scott on so

[3:04:20] she is on for the section 8.

[3:04:22] thank you that's great okay anything

[3:04:25] else

[3:04:26] all right i'll entertain a motion to

[3:04:28] adjourn

[3:04:32] second second

[3:04:33] okay all those in favor signify by

[3:04:35] saying aye

[3:04:36] aye aye

[3:04:37] all right have a great evening

[3:05:21] you

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