[1:19] so

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[29:40] i'd like to call to order the city

[29:42] council committee meeting for

[29:44] monday

[29:47] june 22nd

[29:49] tuesday june 22nd

[29:52] 21st

[29:59] we have a couple of presentations

[30:01] uh first by

[30:03] commissioner ferrari

[30:05] 2021

[30:06] audit

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[30:17] i like to present uh

[30:20] john kofloski a partner at uh our uh

[30:23] independent auditor company kuzak and

[30:25] company uh explained the audit of the

[30:27] city of schenectady for uh uh

[30:30] 2021.

[30:32] thanks tony uh thank you everybody for

[30:34] having me here tonight i wanted to start

[30:36] off just by saying thank you to tony and

[30:38] the rest of your staff here at the city

[30:39] for everything they do during the audit

[30:41] and especially to liz nelson who's our

[30:43] primary contact during the audit we

[30:45] really appreciate everything that they

[30:46] do to help us out during all the time

[30:48] you have great staff here very helpful

[30:50] with all of our requests and i just

[30:51] wanted to extend my appreciation to them

[30:54] um our ultimate responsibility during

[30:56] the audit is to review your financial

[30:58] statements and issue an opinion on your

[31:00] financial statements as to whether

[31:01] they're materially stated and combined

[31:03] with generally accepted accounting

[31:05] principles otherwise known as get

[31:07] our audit takes place in three main

[31:09] phases the first main phase is our

[31:10] pre-audit phase this takes place during

[31:13] december and what we're doing during

[31:14] this phase is we're reviewing your

[31:15] internal control systems we're testing

[31:18] those internal control systems we

[31:20] perform preliminary variance and budget

[31:22] analysis we do the council minutes and

[31:24] we also go through our own internal risk

[31:27] assessment procedures

[31:28] the next major phase of our audit is

[31:31] fieldwork this takes place in march what

[31:33] we're doing during this phase is we're

[31:35] taking the information that we obtained

[31:37] during our pre-owned phase we're using

[31:39] that to develop our audit programs which

[31:41] we use to test our final year imbalances

[31:43] and determine whether the feel the

[31:45] material is stated or not

[31:47] so the final phase of our audit is our

[31:49] reporting phase during this phase what

[31:51] we're doing is we're reviewing the

[31:53] financial statements that are prepared

[31:54] by your senior accountant and we're also

[31:56] reporting on the final results

[31:59] so the financial statements that you

[32:00] have in front of you are a 76-page

[32:02] document overall and it's comprised of

[32:04] several major parts

[32:06] first major part is going to be your

[32:07] management's discussion and analysis

[32:08] that's on pages one through eight of

[32:10] your statements

[32:11] this is a required but unaudited section

[32:13] of the financial statements

[32:15] it summarizes your operating results and

[32:17] other financial highlights if you're not

[32:19] familiar with the financial statements

[32:20] in general i always like to tell the

[32:22] clients it's a really good reading gives

[32:23] you a top side summary of what happened

[32:25] during the year

[32:27] through eleven of your financial

[32:28] statements this is the independent

[32:29] orders report

[32:31] um this is where we issued our

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[32:35] next section

[32:38] the draft

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[32:52] so pages 9-11 is your independent voters

[32:54] report this is where we issue our

[32:56] opinion on the financial statements

[32:58] one important item to note on your

[32:59] financial case these are presented at

[33:01] the fund and account group level only

[33:03] exclusive of your non-current

[33:04] governmental asset account group

[33:07] i am pleased to say that we've once

[33:08] again issued an unmodified opinion on

[33:10] your financial statements this is the

[33:12] highest level of insurance that we can

[33:13] give you it's considered a clean report

[33:15] we have no reportable issues and no

[33:17] financial aid

[33:19] pages 12 through 14 these are

[33:20] governmental fund balance sheets

[33:22] statement revenues expenditures and

[33:23] changes in fund balance

[33:25] your approximated operating results for

[33:27] the year ended 2021

[33:29] general fund had a surplus of 5.6

[33:31] million dollars

[33:33] water fund had a deficiency of 57 000

[33:36] sewer fund had a deficiency of 745 000

[33:39] primarily because of the use of your

[33:41] capital reserves

[33:42] recreation fund had a surplus of 84 000

[33:45] special grants and special revenue

[33:47] deficiency of 5 000 and your capital

[33:50] projects had a surplus of 7.3 million

[33:52] that was primarily due to proceeds from

[33:54] your cereal bond and issuance of ban

[33:56] redemptions

[33:58] so the contributing factors to your

[34:00] overall surplus and the general fund and

[34:01] these are all approximated numbers

[34:03] sales tax revenue exceeded budget by

[34:05] about two million dollars casino

[34:07] revenues exceeded expectations by 841

[34:10] 000

[34:11] uh prior prior year tax lien collection

[34:13] exceeded expectations by 975 000

[34:16] insurance recoveries exceeded

[34:18] expectations by 1.2 million

[34:20] aimed funds withheld by the state of

[34:22] 2020 were now recouped in 2021 560 000

[34:26] sales city properties exceeded your

[34:28] budget by 478 000

[34:30] and the federal market funds which were

[34:32] utilized uh 786 000.

[34:35] overall we feel that management does a

[34:36] really great job in monitoring your

[34:38] reserves uh year-end fund balance in the

[34:40] general point of 16.3 million dollars

[34:43] six million dollars in restricted funds

[34:45] the ban on tan borrowings decreased by

[34:47] 18.1 million for your principal

[34:49] repayment and conversion to serial bonds

[34:51] new york state efc borrowing increased

[34:54] by 4.2 million

[34:56] zero bond debt increased by 12.8 million

[34:58] for your bank conversion

[35:01] overall there was a decrease in the

[35:03] city's net pension liability at 49

[35:05] million dollars for underfunded ers and

[35:07] pfls liabilities balance at your end was

[35:10] 13.7 million

[35:12] total liability that increased by 4

[35:14] million to 336 million

[35:17] and those two um liability accounts that

[35:19] i just mentioned those are undergasm

[35:20] statements 68 and 75

[35:22] which require that under uh underfunded

[35:25] pension and liabilities and other

[35:27] post-employment benefit liabilities are

[35:29] reported on an actuarial valuation basis

[35:32] page 15 of your financial statements

[35:34] that's your custodial fund as required

[35:36] by gaza statement 84 this is no longer a

[35:38] typical trust and agency relationship

[35:41] this custodial fund includes your

[35:42] property taxes collected for other

[35:44] governments but not yet committed

[35:46] pages 17 through 59 of the financial

[35:48] statements these are your footnotes

[35:50] detailing the significant accounting

[35:51] policies the material account balances

[35:53] as they appear on the face of the

[35:54] statements

[35:56] pages through 66 this is your required

[35:58] supplemental information

[36:00] includes your budget to actual reports

[36:02] ers and pfrs pension liabilities and

[36:06] also your op detail and related ratios

[36:09] pages

[36:10] 67-76

[36:11] this is your federal single item because

[36:13] the city expended more than 750 000 in

[36:16] federal funds we're required to have

[36:17] what's called a single audit

[36:19] total federal expenditures for the year

[36:21] 6.6 million

[36:23] we are required to rotate your major and

[36:25] high-risk programs every third year so

[36:28] the major programs that we tested during

[36:30] 2021

[36:32] excuse me your esg grant your lead

[36:34] hazard grant dot grants and also your

[36:36] workflow funds

[36:38] we feel that the city has good internal

[36:39] controls over your federal funds and we

[36:42] had no

[36:43] material weaknesses significant

[36:44] deficiencies or any reportable items and

[36:46] we weren't able to issue an unmodified

[36:48] report on the single moment as well

[36:50] our funds are these are required to be

[36:52] obligated by december 31st 2024 and

[36:55] dispersed by december 31st 2026 city

[36:59] currently has approximately 52 million

[37:01] funds

[37:02] um between 21 and 20 2021 and 2022 that

[37:06] need to be expended by 2024.

[37:09] the general fund surplus and operations

[37:11] shows the city has continued to improve

[37:13] um overall from an accounting and

[37:15] control standpoint the public controls

[37:17] the city are very good

[37:18] operating has designed county

[37:20] information is reliable

[37:22] um the last item that you received in

[37:24] your packet was the post governance

[37:26] letter that's a required communication

[37:28] towards the end of the audit um

[37:30] this is normally the old management

[37:31] letter where if we had any comments

[37:33] during the audit we present them to you

[37:34] at that point no items to report to you

[37:37] the audit was very clean overall which

[37:39] our controls are good and we didn't have

[37:41] anything to report to council

[37:44] at this point i would be happy to take

[37:45] any questions on the audit process in

[37:47] general or the financial statements

[37:53] well

[37:55] did anyone have an opportunity to review

[37:57] this prior to the meeting tonight

[37:59] i was trying to pull it off okay

[38:01] so um

[38:02] if you have any general questions

[38:05] it was transmitted to the clerk of the

[38:07] 13th and it was forwarded to all council

[38:11] today no the third thing is

[38:15] 11 20 am

[38:23] so um do you have questions

[38:26] otherwise um i would i would suggest

[38:28] that we you make sure we have an

[38:30] opportunity to review it and then just

[38:31] before the council meeting um next week

[38:34] we could just call finance to order and

[38:37] um just vote on it then as it's

[38:39] i want everyone to make sure they have

[38:40] an opportunity to review

[38:42] oh

[38:43] here it is

[38:44] mr

[38:56] right and then we can just call finance

[38:58] to order and um vote on just prior to

[39:01] the council meeting next week you have

[39:02] another opportunity are there any

[39:04] general questions today regarding the

[39:06] audience

[39:08] yeah you have a great team here they'll

[39:09] do a really great job in helping us out

[39:10] this your audit is a very big

[39:12] undertaking i know it's it's easy to see

[39:14] the financial statement saying here's

[39:15] the final audit but there's a there's a

[39:17] lot that goes on you know during auto

[39:19] before the audit during the audit

[39:20] afternoon so a really great staff here

[39:22] everybody does that's a great job

[39:24] i do have a question you you have notes

[39:26] that you read from to explain to us what

[39:28] was on each page is there a way for us

[39:29] to be able to get that information i can

[39:31] just send it to you if you want yeah

[39:32] it's perfect so that way you can refer

[39:35] to absolutely

[39:38] good question so you were saying these

[39:39] general operations are getting better in

[39:41] the airport during 2021 there was a

[39:43] overall surplus in the job fund of you

[39:45] know 5.6 million

[39:47] so it was a very good year overall it

[39:49] was kind of seeing that recovery of the

[39:50] code period sales tax revenue increased

[39:53] significantly a lot of items came back

[39:55] online that were either held back in

[39:57] 2020 or you know there was no new funds

[40:00] that were out there that allowed uh you

[40:02] know

[40:02] to reap the benefit of those

[40:06] okay

[40:08] thank you thank you so what we'll do is

[40:11] call a special meeting at 6 30 next

[40:13] monday for finances

[40:21] all right

[40:33] don't listen to seabrook

[40:40] thank you for your time um

[40:42] i'm sorry

[40:43] thank you for your time

[40:45] i'm going to start off with an

[40:46] introduction um while representatives

[40:48] from axon get the powerpoint hooked up

[40:50] and mindful of your time tonight

[40:53] and i just wanted to talk about um

[40:56] why we're here

[40:57] and um

[40:59] and i'll turn it over to them to kind of

[41:00] go over the platform

[41:03] we're here to talk about technology at

[41:05] the police department

[41:06] and

[41:07] we're at a time when we need to make a

[41:10] decision

[41:11] on

[41:12] which path to take on our body long

[41:14] cameras

[41:16] back in 2018 we made the decision to go

[41:19] with panasonic

[41:20] um we knew that we had about a three to

[41:23] four year life

[41:24] on the cameras themselves

[41:26] we went fully deployed in 2019

[41:29] and three years

[41:31] later we're in 2022 are expected by the

[41:34] end of the year that

[41:35] they are going to be at the end of their

[41:37] life they're already out of warranty so

[41:39] we're we're paying for the repairs as

[41:41] they come up

[41:43] additionally we've had some problems

[41:44] with them um in the three and a half

[41:46] years that we've been using them and

[41:48] that's what forced me to start

[41:51] i should save me myself and the command

[41:53] staff to start looking at other vendors

[41:56] as we transition

[41:58] staying with panasonic and just

[42:00] refreshing with them is not an option

[42:02] because

[42:03] um they they sold their product to

[42:05] another company they renamed it i pro

[42:07] and we would literally we would have to

[42:09] buy a whole new platform anyways because

[42:12] the docs that they go into in the cars

[42:14] no longer fit the product that they sell

[42:16] so we're basically buying everything all

[42:18] the way up

[42:19] as we started looking at the different

[42:21] products out there we realized that four

[42:23] years later technology has advanced

[42:26] everything's gotten better and cheaper

[42:28] we are a uh a customer already of axon

[42:32] which makes our tasers

[42:34] so we started looking at them a little

[42:35] bit closer and what i quickly realized

[42:38] is that

[42:39] they're an industry leader in this space

[42:41] they bring

[42:42] technology to each individual component

[42:46] that really no other competitor brings

[42:48] as we started conversations with the

[42:50] sales representatives who are here

[42:51] tonight we realize that they actually

[42:53] bundle everything together and when they

[42:55] bundle it together there's cost savings

[42:58] and there's benefits to where that

[43:01] digital evidence goes which is uh to a

[43:04] cloud-based platform called evidence.com

[43:07] and there's many benefits that come to

[43:09] using that

[43:10] on our end and with everybody that we

[43:13] interact with from the district

[43:14] attorney's office to public defender's

[43:16] office defense attorneys

[43:19] um

[43:20] and even citizens and their ability to

[43:23] send us video that they retrieve if they

[43:25] see it out

[43:26] in the community so

[43:28] i will now turn it over to ben uh who's

[43:31] the uh there's a senior sales

[43:32] representative here and doug um and his

[43:35] colleagues jim and john or somewhere in

[43:38] the room

[43:39] and they will walk through the program

[43:41] and again uh there's going to be an

[43:42] entry level introduction and feel free

[43:44] to ask questions at the end thank you

[43:46] chief

[43:48] good evening everyone

[43:50] um assistant my name is ben durins

[43:52] senior regional manager for axons for

[43:54] the past five and a half years i've been

[43:56] working with the agencies that will

[43:58] deploy axons technologies i'm

[44:00] accompanied by doug gleidler doug is

[44:02] working with you

[44:04] as your taser camera excuse my

[44:06] counterpart thank you guys for your

[44:08] partnership you know with the taser tool

[44:11] for law enforcement here that is

[44:12] deployed within the day

[44:14] what we're going to cover today is

[44:16] really kind of scope down to a high

[44:18] level

[44:19] that provides and gives a general sense

[44:22] to axons law enforcement tools

[44:24] specifically a bundle we call the

[44:26] officer safety plan um we start as taser

[44:29] now acts on our mission is to protect

[44:31] life

[44:32] that's both you know officers and

[44:34] citizens

[44:35] the body camera and a lot of the

[44:37] evidence capture components are there to

[44:38] capture the truth and protect the truth

[44:40] and so this bundling the officer safety

[44:42] plan that we're going to go through

[44:44] or we're going to highlight some of the

[44:46] key elements of it why it's important

[44:49] doug's going to touch upon a little bit

[44:50] around the taser seven and then we'll

[44:52] open it up you know for any questions

[44:54] that you may have so you know with that

[44:57] really

[44:58] one of the key elements is going to be

[45:01] really the body camera and that's what

[45:03] the officer is wearing today you know

[45:05] you have a body camera we'll talk about

[45:07] the axon body three

[45:09] better protecting

[45:10] making sure we're not missing those

[45:12] critical moments

[45:13] we've got

[45:14] the camera that has the ability

[45:17] to you'll see shortly turn on based on

[45:20] critical events so if the weapon is

[45:22] drawn if the taser comes off of safety

[45:24] the light bar on the patrol car goes on

[45:27] we have the ability to you know start

[45:29] this camera

[45:30] the camera has a built-in buffer so

[45:32] we're never going to miss a moment

[45:35] we can go back up to 18 hours

[45:38] to

[45:39] grab that footage should an officer not

[45:41] activate his or her body camera it's one

[45:43] of the key features here and this is

[45:47] the first ruggedized body camera in the

[45:48] market that has embedded lte so

[45:51] being able to do things like where is my

[45:53] officer

[45:54] on a mask who what are some of the

[45:56] officers around her and

[45:59] be able to live stream to see what

[46:01] they're seeing so you can make the best

[46:03] life-saving decisions for all involved

[46:06] in the incident from this camera so

[46:09] uh on the next slide kind of lays out

[46:12] what i mentioned around the activation

[46:15] of these cameras the auto activations

[46:16] this is a technology that's

[46:18] not deployed within the current platform

[46:21] for the city and these are critical

[46:24] officer

[46:25] safety

[46:26] features that are going to ensure the

[46:27] camera activates the first one is signal

[46:29] sidearm small sensor on

[46:32] the holster when a weapon's drawn that

[46:35] body camera axon body cameras in-car

[46:37] cameras

[46:38] are going to start activating they're

[46:40] going to start recording based on that

[46:42] action

[46:44] the second one

[46:46] is axons

[46:48] signal

[46:49] for the teaser sentence so on the next

[46:52] slide you'll see

[46:54] when a taser you saw the weapon being

[46:56] drawn specifically with a taser when

[46:58] that taser is taken off of safety so

[47:00] it's energized

[47:01] we're going to emit that same burst

[47:04] and what that's going to do is again

[47:06] push that bubble out turn on cameras

[47:09] within a 35 foot radius and continue for

[47:11] 30 seconds to ensure

[47:14] anyone here on scene is actively you

[47:16] know recording so

[47:17] just

[47:18] quickly kind of demo that jug has a

[47:20] teaser with inner cartridges but he will

[47:22] just power it on

[47:24] and this camera which was in a buffer

[47:27] mode goes on and buffering you see here

[47:29] now i'm blinking red i'm actively

[47:32] recording

[47:33] and i've captured going back 30 seconds

[47:37] what happened and now i'm actively

[47:39] recording and capturing that here on

[47:40] this camera so i'm going to go ahead and

[47:42] end that recording

[47:45] the next step on this camera

[47:47] talked about lte so this camera is now

[47:49] actively recording

[47:51] but what it's also doing is

[47:52] communicating in real time

[47:54] back to the police department that a

[47:57] weapon

[47:58] was taken off of safety or a weapon was

[48:01] drawn or see that was taken off safety

[48:03] and so that provides an alert that then

[48:05] provides the ability for law enforcement

[48:08] to be able to live stream in on this

[48:10] camera to be able to see you know what

[48:12] is unfolding in front of officer agreed

[48:14] us so that is providing you know help

[48:16] when it is needed needed where is my

[48:18] officer you know how could i best

[48:20] respond

[48:22] to them

[48:23] and then i'm going to end this recording

[48:25] really quickly

[48:27] i have the ability

[48:28] from this camera

[48:30] to offload that video immediately

[48:33] to secure cloud storage so now it can be

[48:37] reviewed and started to be digested

[48:39] along with other evidence captured from

[48:41] the axon in car

[48:43] in near real time on the back end system

[48:46] so that's you know some of the key

[48:48] features of the axon body camera as well

[48:52] as signal and respond

[48:58] in addition to the hardware specifically

[48:59] the body camera

[49:01] we have

[49:03] built in

[49:04] complete fixed cost

[49:06] packages

[49:07] for

[49:08] refreshments of the body cameras and the

[49:10] docks so they come with five years

[49:12] warranty each you can talk about hey

[49:14] they have come up on in the life and

[49:16] typically significant cost increases to

[49:18] keep refreshing these technologies we've

[49:20] built in the program to refreshes of

[49:23] cameras and docks so you're insulating

[49:26] yourself from you know technology

[49:29] costs that do typically go up

[49:32] on the hardware side of this and then we

[49:35] also provide these software components

[49:37] for our officers to

[49:39] be able to use mobile apps to tag their

[49:41] videos

[49:42] in this case we're going to be

[49:44] automatically tagging the officers

[49:46] videos for them so tagging is very

[49:48] simply

[49:49] making you know titling as a traffic

[49:51] stop so we know how long to keep it that

[49:53] takes time to every call for service

[49:56] while we're able to do that

[49:57] automatically because we're going to

[49:58] talk to can rms and save that officer

[50:01] time the detective's time and make sure

[50:03] that evidence is

[50:04] correctly categorized and managed within

[50:07] the system

[50:08] through both an app and then

[50:10] automatically

[50:12] a lot of what you're going to talk about

[50:14] now once you get to be on axon fleet 3

[50:16] which is completely integrated with the

[50:18] body camera

[50:20] so

[50:22] you have it in car solution today

[50:23] separately agencies have you know alpr

[50:27] they're really beholden to

[50:29] a significant spend and they're able to

[50:31] do like four vehicles

[50:33] what axon's done and you can see our

[50:34] dash camera actually has two lenses

[50:36] is we're not only capturing the video of

[50:39] the dash of the vehicle

[50:40] as well as backseat camera view

[50:42] but that second lens looking forward is

[50:44] doing real-time alpr

[50:47] and we're able to do it for every

[50:49] vehicle

[50:51] rather than just four

[50:52] so these are you know real-time alerts

[50:54] from hotlist so officers can get alerts

[50:57] when you know certain

[50:58] different

[51:00] hits are made off of

[51:02] specific lists

[51:04] for bad guys so that's going to enable

[51:06] safer streets safer communities you know

[51:08] with that real-time alpr with axon

[51:11] in-car

[51:13] [Music]

[51:15] i think i typically

[51:17] cover both on that one

[51:21] all of this evidence um the in-car the

[51:24] body cameras

[51:26] axon interview room as well

[51:28] feed to a central back-end system and

[51:30] this is where

[51:32] everything gets streamlined

[51:34] everything is secure this is essentially

[51:38] a seizures very secure environment

[51:40] hosted environment where you can

[51:43] bring it automatically up back some

[51:44] things are going to upload but you can

[51:46] bring and click and drag in all types of

[51:48] video from bodegas cctv security tv

[51:53] citizens videos you're going to be

[51:55] managing your cases there you'll be able

[51:57] to securely share them

[51:58] with partner agencies such as the new

[52:01] york state police who are running this

[52:02] exact program

[52:04] as well as many other agencies

[52:06] throughout the region

[52:07] so within evidence.com we've got tools

[52:11] specifically for redaction

[52:14] you know automating processes to redact

[52:15] these videos

[52:16] so varying different stakeholders

[52:19] from what we call capture which is you

[52:21] know as an officer going here and find

[52:23] his or her video tag it all the way

[52:25] through the courtroom how do we get this

[52:26] to

[52:27] you know a defense attorney somebody who

[52:29] needs this for a foia request without

[52:31] burning dvds and driving them doing all

[52:34] those significant you know time

[52:36] spent uh workflows today so

[52:39] second thing with evidence.com

[52:42] is

[52:43] the complete unlimited cloud storage

[52:46] the sieges

[52:48] security provided by our partners

[52:50] microsoft azure within their cg skills

[52:52] lab

[52:53] and

[52:54] axons of security

[52:56] so we're taking on the risk of you know

[52:58] malware ransomware and housing and

[53:01] protecting you know that precious asset

[53:03] if you will

[53:04] so

[53:05] um

[53:06] i'm going to move on to the next slide

[53:09] that

[53:09] automates the redaction so the blurring

[53:11] of faces the ability to

[53:15] frame by frame

[53:16] track and ensure that an audio element a

[53:20] screen is not part of the video

[53:23] the solution goes as far as to use tools

[53:26] we've test an ai engine just to go in

[53:29] and identify certain things that are

[53:32] majority

[53:33] that are redacted such as faces

[53:35] mdt screens

[53:37] and license plates and it's going to go

[53:39] do that huge time savings for those who

[53:41] have to

[53:42] you know manage through that

[53:47] because we're cloud-based we're able to

[53:49] introduce a lot of elements of

[53:53] additional ways to get better richer

[53:55] evidence faster while on scene

[53:58] to better solve that

[54:00] incident that murder would ever be much

[54:02] quicker so

[54:04] things like an app called axon capture

[54:06] so additional photos and videos for

[54:08] detectives can be captured

[54:11] um this is a great tool during code

[54:13] where we're doing you know

[54:14] audio statements not having the person

[54:17] come into the pd but then doing a front

[54:18] portion of the phone there and having a

[54:20] conversation you know social distance

[54:22] that is part of this as well so we're

[54:24] getting additional photos those offload

[54:27] directly up into evidence.com

[54:29] and then on the next slide

[54:31] uh

[54:32] capturing evidence again from that

[54:34] bodega cctv from a suspect who may have

[54:36] it on their phone we've got axon citizen

[54:39] which will enable a very quick

[54:42] on-scene through the mtt in the vehicle

[54:44] or through a mobile app the ability to

[54:46] send a text message or an email

[54:49] you know auto-generated you know phone

[54:51] number

[54:52] to an individual that says thank you for

[54:54] you know helping connect to dpd

[54:57] you know share you unanimously if you

[54:59] want more names this particular

[55:01] um

[55:03] incident you have on your phone you know

[55:04] so previously taking that phone off of

[55:06] that suspect that witnessed excuse me

[55:09] taking that and having to upload it take

[55:11] their phone giving it back um not a

[55:13] process that anybody wants to go through

[55:15] this is a quick tool that allows you to

[55:16] send a text message they pick the one or

[55:18] two pictures and they send it to you it

[55:20] goes directly up as part of the case

[55:22] within a matter of minutes while you're

[55:24] still on scene or after the fact so that's a

[55:27] um

[55:29] a really really time savings you know

[55:31] couple of click tool that has been just

[55:34] a huge change

[55:35] for agencies who are

[55:37] not only just looking to go buy another

[55:38] set of cameras those set of in-car but

[55:40] really transform how they're doing

[55:43] and managing digital evidence because

[55:45] it's not going away it's only becoming

[55:47] more burdensome in the amount of which

[55:50] is out there and they are critical to

[55:51] all cases

[55:53] so

[55:56] there's a process that agencies have

[55:59] where

[56:00] you know you've invested in body cameras

[56:02] and car solutions

[56:04] how do we know we're getting our money's

[56:06] worth because how do we know it's being

[56:07] used and typically it's a manual process

[56:09] randomly we look at videos

[56:11] see look at calls for service was there

[56:13] videos that's time consuming in itself

[56:15] we've heard from agencies can you

[56:17] automate this and that's what actual

[56:19] performance does it's

[56:21] a analytics tool that sits over the

[56:23] system that'll show you in real time

[56:26] all your calls for service

[56:28] but that's great show me all the calls

[56:30] for service where there's no

[56:31] corresponding body camera footage

[56:33] who did not turn their you know camera

[56:35] on and so you'll be able to see that

[56:37] specifically from

[56:38] the reports and for the analytics that

[56:41] are provided through these interactive

[56:43] dynamic graphs

[56:44] also activation rates i'm getting kind

[56:46] of in the weeds here but are the cameras

[56:48] being used who's not leaving their

[56:50] camera on full shift and who's turning

[56:52] off a lot of times before they leave

[56:54] between when they get back

[56:56] who's not docking their cameras who's

[56:58] not spark testing their teasers

[57:00] and then it also

[57:02] automates the video review process so

[57:05] you know command needs to look at four

[57:06] videos a month it'll automate that send

[57:08] them an email pick those four randomly

[57:10] and flow them through a review so

[57:12] that is a you know a key metric for

[57:16] understanding you know making this

[57:17] investment how do we use it

[57:21] i'm going to pass it over to

[57:23] doug now just to cover a little bit

[57:25] around taser 7. again

[57:28] these are

[57:29] deployed at a smaller number here

[57:32] and you know along with the proposed

[57:34] package would be you know providing

[57:36] these a tool to all officers

[57:46] the seventh generation of our taser

[57:47] weapon

[57:49] when we built taser 7 we built it on

[57:50] three colors i'll touch on each of those

[57:52] we built it first on

[57:54] confidence next on connectivity and the

[57:57] last on community so for confidence we

[57:59] want to give our officers the best tool

[58:01] that we have out there to give them the

[58:03] confidence in the job effectively and

[58:05] have the best in the escalation right

[58:07] um this this taser is the first of its

[58:09] kind to have two different types of

[58:11] cartridges these cartridges can fire the

[58:13] table between four and 24 feet

[58:16] tasers in the past

[58:17] the minimum distance to be fired was at

[58:19] eight feet and as you can imagine

[58:21] generally speaking our conversations are

[58:23] usually between four and five feet so it

[58:26] was uh something that needed to be

[58:27] adjusted from the taser weapons

[58:28] standpoint

[58:29] um correctly that uh from a connectivity

[58:32] standpoint

[58:33] uh we finally have a rechargeable

[58:35] battery right so these batteries will

[58:36] last all five years it's a five year

[58:38] life expectancy for our taser weapons uh

[58:41] in the event that anything were to go

[58:42] wrong with the batteries with the tasers

[58:44] with the docking stations all of that is

[58:46] covered with our full five-year warranty

[58:48] uh this is also going to give each

[58:50] officer their own taser right

[58:53] we supply all the training cartridges

[58:55] for the full five years for each officer

[58:58] we include all of their duty cartridges

[59:01] we include from the community standpoint

[59:03] also so that's an afterthought we're

[59:05] hooking new trainings to it's basically

[59:07] a full velcro suit so we're doing

[59:08] scenario-based training uh an officer

[59:11] can approach i'm sorry as a

[59:14] training officer can approach

[59:15] uh an officer would say a knife or be

[59:18] suicidal and we can do it through all

[59:19] different types of drills when to use a

[59:20] taser so when the time comes they can

[59:22] actually use it in the field and have

[59:24] more real-life examples

[59:26] um

[59:27] another thing i'll touch on here i think

[59:29] the next one is probably the vr

[59:32] so we tied together our virtual reality

[59:34] training with our taser 7. so the

[59:36] agency's current tasers actually already

[59:38] work with our vr system

[59:40] we have three different types of tools

[59:42] that we that we built into our vr system

[59:44] one is uh your basic

[59:47] uh online based um

[59:50] courses yeah about 45 minutes of each

[59:53] one of our modules the different types

[59:55] of modules we have vary anywhere from

[59:57] schizophrenia to

[59:59] uh to

[1:00:01] uh

[1:00:03] we have peer intervention uh

[1:00:05] domestic violence our commitment to the

[1:00:08] agency is to produce one of these every

[1:00:09] single month uh so they're gonna get our

[1:00:11] full library of uh virtuality

[1:00:14] community-based training scenarios along

[1:00:16] with that we'll also get our simulation

[1:00:19] simulator modules so we create one of

[1:00:21] those every two months and then we dump

[1:00:24] it out to the agency so this is more

[1:00:25] where it's instructor-led

[1:00:27] oregon b

[1:00:28] we have artificial intelligence that's

[1:00:30] driving this so as you see the

[1:00:31] instructor has a tablet

[1:00:34] we can change it by gender race

[1:00:36] have this be an assault no assault all

[1:00:39] this is configurable within the system

[1:00:41] we have

[1:00:42] uh

[1:00:43] virtual reality training cartridges that

[1:00:44] will turn this case taser into a vr

[1:00:47] taser

[1:00:48] so it takes away the functionality of

[1:00:49] the real world

[1:00:51] makes it uh suitable just for the vr uh

[1:00:53] the r world has anybody ever used a

[1:00:55] personality that i thought should have

[1:00:56] asked that

[1:00:58] if you haven't you're important

[1:00:59] experience we this is a great community

[1:01:01] tool too because it gives you it gives

[1:01:03] everybody the opportunity to really see

[1:01:04] what our officers go through

[1:01:06] and getting back to the community

[1:01:07] engaged modules

[1:01:09] our officers are going they're

[1:01:10] experiencing what it's like to be

[1:01:11] autistic or schizophrenic or

[1:01:14] um

[1:01:16] be hard of hearing right so they're

[1:01:17] experiencing that for a couple of

[1:01:18] minutes and then we flip it and they're

[1:01:20] the opposite interacting with that with

[1:01:22] that person so we're seeing it from both

[1:01:23] lenses and it gives them that experience

[1:01:26] it's it's great it's a great community

[1:01:27] tool tool too

[1:01:29] we've had agencies using in schools

[1:01:31] at uh career days at fairs

[1:01:33] just to you know give the public an idea

[1:01:35] of who the police are working with on a daily basis

[1:01:39] but

[1:01:41] [Music]

[1:01:43] short high level on the taser vr side

[1:01:45] anybody any questions on the taser or vr

[1:01:47] i kind of breeze through it but happy to

[1:01:49] answer any questions

[1:01:51] yeah

[1:01:52] so um i've heard of instances where

[1:01:54] tasers where people have health issues

[1:01:56] and then they've been tased and had a

[1:01:59] negative outcome yeah so

[1:02:01] can you talk about

[1:02:03] it's a great question so we

[1:02:05] during the training there are certain

[1:02:07] areas that are more suitable to be like

[1:02:11] hit with a taser obviously the heart is

[1:02:13] an area we want to stay away from the

[1:02:14] neck the head area um

[1:02:17] a little bit below the waist we want to

[1:02:19] split the belt line so in a optimal

[1:02:22] teasing

[1:02:23] uh we want to essentially um

[1:02:38] we're gonna we're gonna fire two darts

[1:02:40] the one is from the top the one is from

[1:02:41] the bottom i promise you after five

[1:02:43] seconds you don't even know what hey

[1:02:44] this camera turned on recording

[1:02:45] everything's done

[1:02:48] but i want to split the belt line right

[1:02:49] so

[1:02:50] one of the neat things with the taser

[1:02:52] weapons is the only area that is

[1:02:54] actually being locked up is the area

[1:02:56] between where these two lasers are

[1:02:58] everything else is a sympathetic

[1:03:00] reaction i can tell you from experience

[1:03:02] that you feel it from your head to your

[1:03:04] toes but after the five seconds are up

[1:03:06] it's five seconds from the time that the

[1:03:08] trigger is pulled until the time it

[1:03:10] stops

[1:03:11] you really don't feel anything i mean

[1:03:13] being a little sore from where the darts

[1:03:15] hit um

[1:03:17] but

[1:03:18] everybody's going home

[1:03:19] the only outcome is that and i'll bring

[1:03:21] this up because

[1:03:22] due to the question so when the subject

[1:03:24] falls we've had instances um in that

[1:03:27] regard where they fall and they hit say

[1:03:29] a curb or concrete or if they're running

[1:03:32] you know there's

[1:03:34] obviously there's

[1:03:35] optimal situations to tase in and

[1:03:37] there's some that could be a little

[1:03:39] questionable

[1:03:41] but generally speaking that's where

[1:03:42] we've seen some a lot of a lot of

[1:03:44] dangers and if it were to hit the heart

[1:03:46] there is a slight chance especially if

[1:03:48] they have our condition but we train not

[1:03:50] to

[1:03:51] fire in certain areas um

[1:03:54] another component of the virtual reality

[1:03:55] this gives them the opportunity without

[1:03:57] spending you know

[1:03:58] loads of money on cartridges to be able

[1:04:00] to fire a taser as many times as you

[1:04:01] want and they get that training in a

[1:04:03] virtual world

[1:04:05] also with the simulation suit that

[1:04:07] lawsuit

[1:04:08] this gives them the opportunity to fire

[1:04:09] live card which is in a live setting um

[1:04:12] you know and training that platform

[1:04:15] thank you yeah the question so i know in

[1:04:17] previous models of the tasers it would

[1:04:19] cycle so like you'd have like that five

[1:04:20] seconds yeah then it would like maybe two seconds or something i

[1:04:24] don't know what the time period is but

[1:04:26] then it would like give another

[1:04:28] uh so you can re-energize yeah we call

[1:04:30] it re-energizing so it's gonna i'll show

[1:04:32] you real quick here so

[1:04:34] we have this built-in it's an automatic

[1:04:35] shut-off for five seconds so if i pull

[1:04:37] the trigger

[1:04:43] it's probably a little hard to hear over

[1:04:44] the bolts but you hear that little

[1:04:46] beeping sound

[1:04:47] now if i wanted to re-energize i can do

[1:04:49] that it's gonna give another five

[1:04:50] seconds

[1:04:51] okay but you have to do that manually

[1:04:53] correct and all of that is recorded so

[1:04:55] you can go back in evidence.com and

[1:04:56] anytime that trigger is full or even in

[1:04:58] performance we've been spoken about

[1:04:59] before uh we have four different types

[1:05:01] of metrics that we record for the tasers

[1:05:03] uh one is anytime it's taken off a

[1:05:05] safety another time is any time the arc

[1:05:07] switch is full this is the r switch

[1:05:08] right here so this gives the officer you

[1:05:10] know the opportunity to say uh taser

[1:05:13] show the show the volts um all that's

[1:05:16] recorded anytime i pull the trigger all

[1:05:19] that's recorded and anytime i deploy the

[1:05:21] cartridges that's required too

[1:05:23] you said you got two different type of

[1:05:24] cartridges yeah what's the difference so

[1:05:27] i pull these out here

[1:05:29] this is our close quarter cartridge so

[1:05:31] that is designed to be fire between four

[1:05:33] and ten feet

[1:05:34] and then this is our standoff cartridge

[1:05:35] they go together like legolas you can

[1:05:37] just piece them together oh okay um just

[1:05:39] the lighters have to be up but they uh

[1:05:41] they stand out fires between 10 10 and

[1:05:43] 24 feet now i'll show you something neat

[1:05:45] with this so if i put these in the taser

[1:05:49] so i have my close quarter

[1:05:51] loaded in day one sorry man i can use

[1:05:53] you again

[1:05:54] so we call this tilt select

[1:05:56] so say uh i need to back up and pull out

[1:05:59] a knife what i'm going to do is i'm

[1:06:00] going to take the taser and i'm going to

[1:06:01] tilt it to a quick 90 degree click on my

[1:06:04] wrist pretty much

[1:06:06] notice how those probes got tighter

[1:06:09] now if i needed to advance on them i

[1:06:11] could do the same thing here

[1:06:13] now that i have the post quarter part

[1:06:14] again

[1:06:16] also that switch switched on switches

[1:06:18] the cartridge itself yeah we toggle we can go back and forth

[1:06:22] between cartridge base

[1:06:24] um we see uh on the back which is our uh

[1:06:27] our cid screen it shows a line under

[1:06:29] which which bay it's in

[1:06:34] is that an actual switch or just you

[1:06:35] moving your wrist this is me moving

[1:06:37] around you want to drive no it's pretty

[1:06:38] neat

[1:06:45] just a quick back start on this so the

[1:06:47] taser has to be for the most part um

[1:06:49] pretty upright and it has to be done

[1:06:50] within a second and we do that in the

[1:06:52] event that that officer was running with

[1:06:54] a taser we can't do this by accident it

[1:06:55] has to be a force movement

[1:07:00] so do you have capability with the laser

[1:07:03] to

[1:07:04] tell the distance so the cartridge

[1:07:07] shoots automatically the correct one not

[1:07:09] yet so yeah that's refraining comes in

[1:07:13] um generally speaking though if you have

[1:07:15] you know agencies will load their

[1:07:16] cartridges one way or another you're

[1:07:18] either gonna load it both close quarter

[1:07:20] both standoff

[1:07:21] close quarters standoff or stand up

[1:07:23] close quarter

[1:07:25] it's for the most part that's the way

[1:07:27] agencies set their cartridges up um if

[1:07:30] i'm at 10 feet with a close quarter

[1:07:31] cartridge you'll see i'm going to have

[1:07:33] two and a half feet of probe spread

[1:07:35] and that's going to be a pretty

[1:07:36] difficult shot

[1:07:38] now you're still hitting still be

[1:07:40] effective now the nice thing with this

[1:07:41] taser is this has two bays so in the

[1:07:43] event that i even missed say if i missed

[1:07:45] that right one see or

[1:07:47] i'm sort of pointing the chief but

[1:07:49] now if i missed that bottom one right

[1:07:52] and then i fired the second bag

[1:07:54] but i landed the bottom one there

[1:07:56] so i fired i landed one on the top from

[1:07:58] the first big one on the bottom from the

[1:08:00] second bag

[1:08:02] i just got to get out of the laser

[1:08:05] after we just got lasik surgery two

[1:08:06] weeks

[1:08:08] but we'd still get a solid connection i

[1:08:10] just need a positive and negative so

[1:08:12] this gives our officers another

[1:08:13] opportunity um

[1:08:15] you know to avoid having to use uh

[1:08:17] through the force right um this is

[1:08:20] essentially the

[1:08:21] in between of all that right we have

[1:08:23] hands on we have a taser and we have

[1:08:25] lethal force um

[1:08:27] i have two two cartridges in my taser if

[1:08:29] i'm able to

[1:08:31] use the taser and avoid that another

[1:08:33] pretty cool stat that we have that isn't

[1:08:34] spoken about a lot

[1:08:36] so

[1:08:36] 75 to 80 of all deployments nationwide

[1:08:40] or taser uses uh nationwide are without

[1:08:43] a trigger poll it's the presence of a

[1:08:44] taser or just displaying the

[1:08:46] um the electricity from the art switch

[1:08:48] without having to pull the trigger

[1:08:50] so it's only one in five and this is

[1:08:52] from 25 plus years of data that we

[1:08:54] collected

[1:08:55] um

[1:08:56] that we've compiled there

[1:08:59] [Music]

[1:09:00] so i definitely applaud your agency for

[1:09:02] applying or

[1:09:05] providing the community engagement

[1:09:06] trainings i just wanted to know have

[1:09:08] they been

[1:09:10] approved or reviewed by any health care

[1:09:12] institutions just for their authenticity

[1:09:14] yeah we have a great question we have a

[1:09:16] whole team of subject matter experts

[1:09:17] from universities to police departments

[1:09:20] retired sheriffs furnitures retired

[1:09:22] chiefs current chiefs

[1:09:25] professors from i think was it ucla i

[1:09:27] think a few of them

[1:09:29] but yeah there's a whole team of subject

[1:09:30] matter experts that are getting all of

[1:09:31] this information out we are eventually

[1:09:33] going to be accredited we're able to use

[1:09:35] this for actual training to receive

[1:09:36] credit hours it's part of the roadmap we

[1:09:39] so we just launched the simulator

[1:09:41] portion we've had the community

[1:09:42] engagement part out for about two years

[1:09:44] now

[1:09:44] the simulator we just wanted to make

[1:09:46] sure it was perfect before we finally

[1:09:47] launched it and we launched it a couple

[1:09:49] weeks ago out of our uh you know the big

[1:09:51] public safety conference called

[1:09:52] accelerate up in arizona that just

[1:09:53] officially launched it

[1:09:57] so um

[1:09:58] this is a little bit more about kind of

[1:10:00] going back to the body cam because i'm

[1:10:01] really impressed with the way they work

[1:10:02] together i think that that's really great tool um

[1:10:07] with the unlimited cloud storage

[1:10:09] um that would

[1:10:11] essentially say like officers can leave

[1:10:13] their body cam on their entire shift

[1:10:15] right like to wear a previously you

[1:10:17] might have to be more mindful of that

[1:10:19] right

[1:10:20] correct

[1:10:22] um

[1:10:23] you're still definitely going to use

[1:10:24] this camera and activate the camera for

[1:10:26] the policy so the toss isn't necessarily

[1:10:28] changed

[1:10:29] because the storage program changes

[1:10:32] but there could be it's full shift i'm

[1:10:34] leaving on because i'm just over here on

[1:10:36] a crime scene i'm

[1:10:37] watching over something so i am going to

[1:10:40] leave it on the entire time

[1:10:42] and that's kind of the the glory that

[1:10:44] fixed cost is that you can

[1:10:47] you know operate the camera that

[1:10:48] distance but typically because we have

[1:10:49] the unlimited storage it doesn't really

[1:10:51] change the policy as to where it has to

[1:10:53] be activated when is it deactivated

[1:10:56] that's all standard policy from the

[1:10:58] agency

[1:11:00] um and the statement

[1:11:02] but yeah you could lean on

[1:11:04] um

[1:11:05] and whether it's the in-car the body

[1:11:07] camera

[1:11:09] all you know unlimited storage

[1:11:13] with the alpr's do you have capability

[1:11:16] put those in other city vehicles and

[1:11:19] when

[1:11:20] a hit it goes automatically to the pd

[1:11:24] yes

[1:11:27] and

[1:11:28] would that be part of this package or

[1:11:31] how much extra is that yeah so it's uh

[1:11:34] currently scoped to the patrol vehicles

[1:11:37] um you have to learn a little bit more

[1:11:38] as to what you know vehicle we're

[1:11:40] looking at we want to make sure

[1:11:41] technically it has

[1:11:43] um the components to support it just

[1:11:46] then you know be able to include it in

[1:11:47] there but yeah it could be you know our

[1:11:49] parking vehicle

[1:11:50] [Music]

[1:11:52] i'm thinking garbage trucks they're

[1:11:54] going around the city all the time

[1:11:57] you know if there's a

[1:12:00] accident yes but uh if there's a

[1:12:03] hit on a warrant you know on a car

[1:12:08] and do you have any data on the return

[1:12:11] on investment on those aoprs

[1:12:16] in terms of being able to maximize your

[1:12:19] well usage and

[1:12:21] the

[1:12:22] you know the hits and the

[1:12:24] arrests as well as maybe

[1:12:27] parking fines and things along those

[1:12:29] lines yeah it's a great question i have

[1:12:31] to look into that i think that's usually

[1:12:33] very agency's specific data they keep

[1:12:36] that's just a matter of us

[1:12:37] asking for that

[1:12:39] um

[1:12:40] but that'll be we could follow up on

[1:12:41] that

[1:12:42] and then

[1:12:43] last question is do you have capability

[1:12:46] for when an officer exits the vehicle

[1:12:49] the camera turns on automatically

[1:12:52] yeah we call that a door trigger

[1:12:55] that's an option we've seen a lot of

[1:12:57] canine because their hands are really

[1:12:58] consumable

[1:12:59] you know

[1:13:00] the dog

[1:13:02] the door triggers a possibility and that

[1:13:04] case hasn't worked there what did you

[1:13:05] talk about

[1:13:06] for a second because on those lines

[1:13:09] [Music]

[1:13:12] yeah so talk about that automatic

[1:13:13] obviously you can manually turn this on

[1:13:15] and off that button automatic triggers

[1:13:17] sort of shortness in that moment through

[1:13:19] the taser holster the light bar door

[1:13:21] trigger

[1:13:22] because these are connected devices

[1:13:25] we now have the ability through cad to

[1:13:27] activate this specific to that officer

[1:13:30] dispatched

[1:13:31] juries to the call turn on

[1:13:33] the devices he's locked into his body

[1:13:35] camera and stable car

[1:13:37] um

[1:13:38] once we're dispatched those are actually

[1:13:40] recording the second cat activation

[1:13:42] would be through geofence as chief

[1:13:44] mentioned so if the call for service is

[1:13:46] at one two three main street uh we're

[1:13:48] gonna put a bubble around two three main

[1:13:50] street so we're gonna be in a quarter

[1:13:51] mile from there coming in responding

[1:13:54] everything will then start so we're not

[1:13:56] missing

[1:13:56] anything we're capturing everyone's

[1:13:58] involvement

[1:14:03] so

[1:14:04] chief was talking earlier about the

[1:14:06] current

[1:14:07] about kids we have now and that they

[1:14:10] run their life expectancy and they're no

[1:14:12] longer under warranty the

[1:14:15] what's you're seeing a five year uh

[1:14:17] expectancy you know and what the devices

[1:14:19] being under warranty for that entire

[1:14:21] five years so our typical contract is

[1:14:23] five years

[1:14:24] the body camera life cycle two and a

[1:14:26] half after that we start after two two and a half years we start to see

[1:14:30] battery degradation in terms of not

[1:14:32] being able to support that full twelve

[1:14:34] hours with the prevent buffer so thirty

[1:14:38] two and a half years on the body cameras

[1:14:40] in car five-year life expectancy so what

[1:14:43] you'll see is that five-year contract

[1:14:45] two refreshes of the body cameras and

[1:14:47] the dots so midway through right towards

[1:14:49] the end and on the eight card you're

[1:14:51] gonna see a refresh at your five

[1:14:55] so then what about the warranty though

[1:14:57] full five years of warranty on

[1:14:59] everything

[1:15:00] um the refresher started to get warranty

[1:15:02] refreshes and in addition to that that

[1:15:04] we call it the technical assurance plan

[1:15:06] for sure will also include on-site

[1:15:09] spares so officers never going out

[1:15:11] without an operational camera so we'll

[1:15:13] have spare cameras on site while these

[1:15:16] are getting

[1:15:17] swapped out is that great

[1:15:19] and then refresh the next generation

[1:15:22] so it's going to be the same generation

[1:15:23] of refreshes next generation okay

[1:15:25] refreshing the next generation

[1:15:29] of the

[1:15:30] body cameras these are body camera

[1:15:32] threes

[1:15:33] the next one will be 84 85 and then core

[1:15:42] does your software integrate with the

[1:15:44] esri system in order to have it

[1:15:46] automatically downloaded and put into

[1:15:48] that

[1:15:49] which system esri gis

[1:15:53] i'm not familiar with that it would

[1:15:55] integrate with the calcium system

[1:15:59] so in order to retract data we could

[1:16:01] protect it from the pulsing system

[1:16:13] so

[1:16:14] you were saying that there's a mechanism

[1:16:16] for a citizen you know they can get a

[1:16:18] text message which is like for a lack of

[1:16:20] version like a link for them to send in

[1:16:22] photos or videos or something that they

[1:16:24] witness

[1:16:25] now that

[1:16:26] is that link operates one way correct

[1:16:28] like in other words like that link and

[1:16:30] clicking that link isn't given

[1:16:32] permission to access that citizens only

[1:16:35] the photos and videos that they

[1:16:37] completely one way and it expires

[1:16:40] so from a generic you know 672 number

[1:16:43] will make it up i'll get it click that

[1:16:45] link and

[1:16:46] provide that evidence they can't respond

[1:16:49] to the officer's open communication it

[1:16:51] will then you know expire and they'll

[1:16:53] already be usable

[1:16:55] what's that

[1:16:57] what happens to all the video and data

[1:16:59] that's uploaded into your system if

[1:17:02] let's say after

[1:17:03] the contract is over we decide to go a

[1:17:06] different vendor what happens to that

[1:17:08] yeah great question so everything we do

[1:17:10] is nothing's proprietary um you own your

[1:17:13] evidence

[1:17:14] of all of your evidence is yours and so

[1:17:17] you've got a couple of ways you can

[1:17:19] download it so if you've got another

[1:17:22] area you want to bring that into you can

[1:17:24] do that you know that's at no cost we

[1:17:27] also provide our api tools to you so

[1:17:29] you've got another cloud provider you

[1:17:31] can

[1:17:32] with some simple you know empty

[1:17:34] background through our tutorial

[1:17:36] you'll move it that way the third and

[1:17:38] that's at no cost the third way third

[1:17:40] option is if you say you know exxon can

[1:17:43] you help us roll up your sleeves what

[1:17:44] would it cost for you know x amount of

[1:17:46] days to help us move it from here to

[1:17:48] here

[1:17:49] um

[1:17:50] that would be the cost option there

[1:17:54] have a question about your taser yeah

[1:17:56] well more about officer training so what

[1:17:58] does the training look like and is there

[1:18:00] something once they're trained that you know give them a test basically to

[1:18:04] know that they

[1:18:07] know how to use the problem no

[1:18:08] absolutely so um training is once per

[1:18:10] year uh for the taser 7 over the course

[1:18:13] of the five years though at the minimum

[1:18:15] have to fire 28 training cartridges

[1:18:17] and they also have to do a written and

[1:18:20] it's a comprehensive

[1:18:22] portion back on it's we call it axon

[1:18:24] academy so it's about four hours of

[1:18:26] coursework um that is in addition to

[1:18:28] firing the taser cartridges it's about a

[1:18:30] full day

[1:18:32] and so our current officers would just

[1:18:34] would would be

[1:18:35] would you get that too

[1:18:37] yeah everybody that carries a taser has

[1:18:39] to do this once per year

[1:18:40] in order to be able to carry a taser now

[1:18:42] the nice thing is with that vr system

[1:18:44] that's in addition to all of this too so

[1:18:45] they can just put a headset on and

[1:18:47] be in a variety of different situations

[1:18:50] where it could be from a traffic stop to

[1:18:52] a drug overdose it's in there and you

[1:18:54] know it could be even at fire you know

[1:18:56] we have different levels for the firing

[1:18:57] range we have an actual range then we

[1:18:59] have um

[1:19:00] different types of threats that could be

[1:19:02] involved uh to raise the skill level

[1:19:04] that would be needed uh for the taser

[1:19:06] audience

[1:19:07] thank you someone else mr williams uh so

[1:19:10] councilman patrick and i had the

[1:19:12] opportunity to attend your brief

[1:19:13] training earlier and definitely

[1:19:14] appreciate you providing them with us

[1:19:16] access i wanted to know if chief

[1:19:18] clifford or acc or if you're able to

[1:19:20] talk to something that's an important

[1:19:22] component of it the administrative time

[1:19:24] that's saved where we traditionally

[1:19:25] think of police officers responding to

[1:19:27] events but definitely there is a

[1:19:29] workload of paperwork that's attributed

[1:19:31] and how this will help with some of that

[1:19:33] workload

[1:19:35] i'll touch on the teaser part real quick

[1:19:37] here so on the

[1:19:38] every previous generation taser it was

[1:19:40] just like herself on it every to do an

[1:19:42] update we had to plug it in our

[1:19:44] recommendation was to do quarterly

[1:19:45] updates uh if there was ever an incident

[1:19:48] with a taser where there's a malfunction

[1:19:50] first thing our tech support team is

[1:19:51] going to ask is when was the last time

[1:19:52] you updated the firmware software right

[1:19:53] just like your phone if you don't do it

[1:19:54] if you want the software on the computer

[1:19:56] it starts to

[1:19:57] be a little wonky the way it works right

[1:20:00] so the nice thing about our taser

[1:20:01] whether it's new ones

[1:20:02] there's no more plugging in and doing

[1:20:04] any of that with rechargeable battery

[1:20:06] when they're put in the docking station

[1:20:07] we're getting automatic software and

[1:20:08] firmware updates and they're done our

[1:20:10] recommendation is to dock these once per

[1:20:12] month so they're getting 12 updates over

[1:20:14] here so it's always going to be optimal

[1:20:16] what the health

[1:20:17] for our weapons

[1:20:19] on the body camera side they're all body

[1:20:21] camera and the fleet in there as well

[1:20:23] uh traditionally when you work

[1:20:24] technology it's always additional work

[1:20:26] and time

[1:20:27] and so what we've done is kind of with

[1:20:30] this and our software as part of the

[1:20:32] package is the other areas in which we

[1:20:34] give that all of our time back so for

[1:20:36] example

[1:20:38] this camera after a traffic stop

[1:20:40] interaction when the officer walks back

[1:20:43] to the vehicle and has evidence.com up

[1:20:45] he can see the transcript of what

[1:20:47] unfolded

[1:20:48] um

[1:20:49] so he can you know better understand you

[1:20:51] know exactly what was said what he said

[1:20:53] and what the suspect said

[1:20:55] driver

[1:20:56] um but then it also provides you know

[1:20:59] them the ability to

[1:21:01] talk to

[1:21:02] the camera before they can talk to the

[1:21:04] mdt

[1:21:05] to write their reports so typically this

[1:21:06] is a process where they you know write

[1:21:08] you know

[1:21:09] what happened what was said and like

[1:21:11] writing they saw what they smelled they

[1:21:13] can talk to the mdt it's going to

[1:21:15] transcribe what they're saying and copy

[1:21:17] and paste it put it into the record

[1:21:19] and

[1:21:20] um

[1:21:21] so we're talking about saving a ton of

[1:21:23] time the auto tagging feature typically

[1:21:25] that's you know my body camera i got

[1:21:27] attacked back got my main car i got

[1:21:28] tagged that and then the back seat video

[1:21:30] that attack that is rolled

[1:21:32] this lumps it together and then it gets

[1:21:34] auto tagged auto tagging saves about 200

[1:21:37] per month per officer

[1:21:39] um

[1:21:40] from our case studies on that you have a

[1:21:42] tagging piece and then it really gets

[1:21:44] into the time to redact

[1:21:46] so an hour's worth of footage takes

[1:21:48] eight hours to redact to the point we

[1:21:50] can hand it over

[1:21:51] the ai tools have really brought that

[1:21:54] down to you know two hours

[1:21:57] to be able to you know fully adapt that

[1:22:00] and then it's really around the evidence

[1:22:02] sharing

[1:22:04] elements where you're able to share

[1:22:06] these large case files without going to

[1:22:07] all these different silos and different

[1:22:09] codecs and burning and dvds and thumb

[1:22:12] drives that are driving them around

[1:22:14] where it's brought in in any format

[1:22:16] brought in here through part and

[1:22:17] evidence

[1:22:18] create the case right click and you can

[1:22:20] share it inside the agency with

[1:22:22] the va

[1:22:31] so um

[1:22:33] around your uh the virtual

[1:22:35] reality trainings and

[1:22:38] those scenarios i know that you know the

[1:22:40] chief has been working um

[1:22:42] hard to

[1:22:44] make sure that

[1:22:45] officers are going through you know

[1:22:47] anti-bias training

[1:22:50] do you know any of the partners that

[1:22:52] you're working with from the university

[1:22:53] have you know has there been any

[1:22:55] intentional um uh development as far as

[1:22:59] early you could switch race switch

[1:23:01] gender um you know is that is there any

[1:23:03] intentionality around not reinforcing or

[1:23:06] perpetuating existing biases that happen

[1:23:09] that can have disproportionate outcomes

[1:23:12] i have that you know doug's on the cusp

[1:23:14] of that with teaser in the er

[1:23:17] yeah

[1:23:18] to answer your question i mean we're

[1:23:19] constantly coming out with new modules

[1:23:21] and one of the nice things with the

[1:23:22] system uh

[1:23:24] we're taking feedback directly from our

[1:23:25] customers and creating these modules

[1:23:26] based on what

[1:23:28] they're asking to be presented right so

[1:23:31] i'll bring up a couple years ago there

[1:23:33] was a lot of protests and

[1:23:35] um

[1:23:37] situations like that we were able to

[1:23:38] create a module

[1:23:40] 30 days we had one out um

[1:23:43] based just on that right and the same

[1:23:44] thing

[1:23:45] is current events pop up um you know it

[1:23:48] could be uh yeah peer-to-peer is another

[1:23:50] one and you'll i don't know if uh you

[1:23:52] noticed on the slide before but we had

[1:23:54] we haven't broke the three now period of

[1:23:55] here uh intervention once so

[1:23:58] just to kind of keep it you know keep it

[1:24:00] moving and change it up so it's a little

[1:24:02] different module

[1:24:03] one thing to know on the community

[1:24:04] engagement side too so these are real

[1:24:05] people in in real world settings um the

[1:24:09] simulator side is they're all animated

[1:24:12] cool thing with it though is

[1:24:13] we're able to create literally unlimited

[1:24:15] outcomes with it we're on the community

[1:24:17] engagement side these are fixed outcomes

[1:24:19] it's kind of like choose your own

[1:24:20] adventure if you will

[1:24:21] we have

[1:24:23] it'll pause and you'll have three

[1:24:24] different outcomes that you can choose

[1:24:25] each one is going to bring you down a

[1:24:26] different path so each one of those

[1:24:28] community engagement modules has about

[1:24:29] 30 different ways it could play out um

[1:24:32] and they're all

[1:24:33] eight to ten minutes long so you know an

[1:24:34] officer could throw a headset on during

[1:24:36] roll call as they're waiting in line

[1:24:38] with these taser research you know a

[1:24:39] number of situations um but yeah it's

[1:24:42] your point though um

[1:24:44] our library is constantly expanding and

[1:24:46] we're trying to hit on some of the most

[1:24:48] important topics right now and obviously

[1:24:49] that's gonna be you know one of them for

[1:24:51] sure so

[1:24:53] not out yet but probably within you know

[1:24:55] i'd say within the next six months for

[1:24:57] sure they're pumping things out pretty

[1:24:59] quickly we get an email every single week with

[1:25:02] uh with our new hires and all these

[1:25:04] engineers on our vr team are based up in

[1:25:05] seattle

[1:25:06] kind of like the tech capital of the

[1:25:08] country anywhere right

[1:25:10] and half of these new hires are your

[1:25:12] team so it's just growing at a rapid

[1:25:14] pace right now

[1:25:15] um

[1:25:16] so what are your camera capabilities

[1:25:18] with drones and or remote control

[1:25:21] vehicles and also do your

[1:25:24] cameras pick up heat signatures

[1:25:28] so the body cameras

[1:25:30] and the in-car cameras and their gamers

[1:25:31] don't pick up heat signatures

[1:25:33] um

[1:25:34] but what about drones or the remote

[1:25:36] controls

[1:25:38] are the latest generation of that so

[1:25:40] we've got a partnership with dji

[1:25:43] um as well as uh there are two other

[1:25:45] photo kite and

[1:25:48] skydio girls so the three main events

[1:25:50] we're like we are long

[1:25:52] premiere provider for that on top of

[1:25:54] those best and brief technologies that

[1:25:56] include infrared clear

[1:25:59] rapid deployed smaller deployed drones

[1:26:01] or larger

[1:26:03] drones

[1:26:04] we provide

[1:26:06] many many options on the hardware side

[1:26:08] we layer on top of that

[1:26:10] our drone sense software

[1:26:12] and so it feeds and uploads and live

[1:26:15] streams directly to evidence.com on the

[1:26:18] backend so it's just another large area

[1:26:20] of digital evidence that's

[1:26:22] right now very you know hot you know for

[1:26:24] search and rescue for patrol that you

[1:26:27] know when you're having a protest

[1:26:30] in body cameras you can really see where

[1:26:32] things are moving get ahead of them

[1:26:34] all on our axon respond which is where

[1:26:37] the live streaming evac playback is i'm

[1:26:39] making

[1:26:40] deployment into a building pick up a

[1:26:42] heat signature find out where maybe

[1:26:45] there's weapons

[1:26:47] we're doing it today

[1:26:49] with our solution so

[1:26:51] that's absolute ability

[1:26:56] any other questions

[1:26:59] people want to wrap it up yes

[1:27:03] so

[1:27:05] one of the reasons why we're here today

[1:27:06] with this presentation is that

[1:27:09] on an individual basis body cameras in

[1:27:12] car videos

[1:27:14] training

[1:27:15] we we've already come to the council

[1:27:17] we've already spoken to the mayor about

[1:27:18] funding for each individual one bringing

[1:27:21] this all together under one platform

[1:27:24] you know the mayor and i spoke about

[1:27:26] transparency as being a part of our

[1:27:28] police reform

[1:27:29] commitment

[1:27:31] that we agreed uh that the council

[1:27:33] passed over a year and a half or about a

[1:27:35] year and a half ago so that's the reason

[1:27:37] why we're here today uh discussing this

[1:27:39] is that

[1:27:40] we want to be fully transparent um about

[1:27:42] where we're going with this technology

[1:27:44] and why

[1:27:45] and i really appreciate all the

[1:27:47] questions and the engagement here and

[1:27:49] any feedback that we can receive thank

[1:27:51] you thank you thank you everybody

[1:27:54] thank you

[1:27:57] get out in time i'll come over and try

[1:27:58] the taser

[1:28:26] can we do finance and government

[1:28:29] yes okay so um mr muveira has to leave

[1:28:32] as well so first we'll do finance then

[1:28:34] we're gonna move to government ops

[1:28:35] because then it'll be on the two of us

[1:28:36] on the committee so um go ahead

[1:28:39] order finance committee the first item

[1:28:41] is the 2022 budget amendment for the

[1:28:43] fire department chief mourinho

[1:29:00] [Music]

[1:29:03] so here tonight to speak to everyone

[1:29:05] about our arts indication

[1:29:08] just a little background the artisan

[1:29:10] division right now is a four-person

[1:29:14] division

[1:29:15] there's a deputy chief of two tenants

[1:29:17] and a firefighter

[1:29:21] all of them either are or will be

[1:29:24] full-fledged partisan investigators

[1:29:26] so uh when we get a fire now we'll call

[1:29:29] in one of the arts and investigators

[1:29:32] and um

[1:29:33] two of them are current one's a

[1:29:35] firefighter i will command and the other

[1:29:37] one is a lieutenant

[1:29:40] there are times when that firefighter

[1:29:43] needs to make some decisions

[1:29:45] and it's not at his authority level

[1:29:50] so we may have to call in the lieutenant

[1:29:52] or the deputy chief

[1:29:54] to make those decisions

[1:29:56] so we propose to change that

[1:29:58] firefighter's position's title

[1:30:00] from a firefighter and make that

[1:30:02] position of lieutenant's position

[1:30:06] it makes sense it gives that person

[1:30:09] the authority to do the investigation

[1:30:10] without additional help there are times

[1:30:12] he still will need to bring in another

[1:30:15] investigator depending on the scope of

[1:30:18] the investigation

[1:30:21] currently the person that's in the

[1:30:22] firefighter's position has been there

[1:30:25] a good 12 years if not longer

[1:30:27] highly qualified

[1:30:30] he does besides the partisan part of his

[1:30:33] duties are

[1:30:34] special operations

[1:30:38] now i don't

[1:30:39] when we make this position we'll have to

[1:30:42] go up for promotion

[1:30:43] that person is on the list he's number

[1:30:46] one

[1:30:46] not saying he's going to be promoted um

[1:30:49] because we have other people that we

[1:30:51] have to interview also

[1:30:53] because the person doing the job now has

[1:30:55] been doing it a long time highly

[1:30:57] qualified he's up for promotion

[1:30:59] maybe he makes a promotion

[1:31:01] the main thing we're asking is that we

[1:31:03] change that position from the

[1:31:04] firefighter to lieutenants

[1:31:06] will save us a little money

[1:31:08] finance uh

[1:31:10] informs me that it's budget it's a

[1:31:12] budget neutral right now so it's not

[1:31:14] going to be an impact

[1:31:18] so that's what i'm here to propose

[1:31:21] chief under the revised budget uh filled

[1:31:23] number of months can you address the 0.5

[1:31:25] 1.25 position

[1:31:31] [Music]

[1:31:42] yeah it's happening right yes

[1:31:45] because we're already into the year it's

[1:31:47] june by the time this happens so there

[1:31:50] is a

[1:31:52] between the lieutenant and the

[1:31:53] firefighter there's a differential it's

[1:31:55] an eight percent differential

[1:31:57] so that position now will receive more

[1:32:00] money than he would as a firefighter

[1:32:02] okay it's only a half a year that's why

[1:32:05] there's a differential but

[1:32:07] speaking with finance director

[1:32:11] he feels we feel that

[1:32:14] by making that person a lieutenant not

[1:32:16] having to call him additional help could

[1:32:18] be some savings in in overtime

[1:32:21] and we're not talking a lot of money

[1:32:24] we should

[1:32:38] the next item is the 2022 budget

[1:32:40] reappropriation for the code enforcement

[1:32:42] department mr lam

[1:32:52] thank you council

[1:32:54] i'm proposing to put on a full-time

[1:32:58] assistant building inspector for uh code

[1:33:01] enforcement

[1:33:02] currently we're running uh an assistant

[1:33:05] that's a part time three days a week and

[1:33:09] not here from november until january

[1:33:12] um he's actually just put in his

[1:33:15] resignation so

[1:33:16] we really need to have a back up for my

[1:33:18] uh position

[1:33:20] and here some somebody that's

[1:33:21] responsible here

[1:33:23] when i'm not

[1:33:25] available

[1:33:28] it's budget neutral

[1:33:33] go ahead please

[1:33:35] um so you're moving

[1:33:37] someone from a code enforcement officer

[1:33:39] to this position is that correct

[1:33:42] uh

[1:33:43] we're going to look at the best

[1:33:44] candidates

[1:33:45] well i don't mean a specific person i

[1:33:47] just meant generally so um how does

[1:33:50] first of all are there currently um 10

[1:33:53] code enforcement officers do your

[1:33:55] current other positions all filled

[1:33:57] no there should be 14 but now there's

[1:33:59] six okay so there's six currently so

[1:34:02] losing one will do what to

[1:34:04] the

[1:34:05] person who the you know the staff of

[1:34:08] co-enforcement out there doing the work

[1:34:10] i mean they're all doing work but you

[1:34:11] know actually going so so this this

[1:34:14] person will actually be out he'll be

[1:34:16] working at the until until we become

[1:34:18] full capacity they'll still be doing

[1:34:21] other work as a code officer

[1:34:24] but assuming responsibilities and you

[1:34:27] know moving up into a manageable

[1:34:28] position

[1:34:30] [Music]

[1:34:31] until we fill up you know make the

[1:34:34] appropriate appeals

[1:34:36] thank you

[1:34:38] any other questions

[1:34:41] all in favor aye thank you

[1:34:47] the next item is allocating twenty

[1:34:48] thousand cdbg slash cv3 funding to feed

[1:34:52] albany inc mccarthy

[1:34:55] thank you mr chairman uh these requests

[1:34:58] brought forth to me were feed albany

[1:35:01] it's an

[1:35:02] acronym involved out of covet where the

[1:35:05] kitchen and always preparing meals for

[1:35:09] communities across the capitol district

[1:35:13] some of the information is detailed in

[1:35:15] the

[1:35:16] narrative that's provided

[1:35:20] the program in schenectady will run out

[1:35:22] of money roughly at the end of this

[1:35:24] month

[1:35:26] and so

[1:35:27] the uh

[1:35:28] twenty thousand dollars is an amount

[1:35:31] that would get it through

[1:35:33] the end of the year

[1:35:35] allowing them to uh

[1:35:38] again continue at the level that they've

[1:35:40] been doing

[1:35:41] for

[1:35:42] the last year and a half

[1:35:50] go ahead

[1:35:51] somewhere at some point i'm going to get

[1:35:53] a more inclusive name

[1:35:54] i'm sorry at some point we'll get a more

[1:35:56] inclusive name uh they are looking to uh

[1:36:00] rebrand that

[1:36:05] uh my name is matthew peter i'm

[1:36:12] president of the board of food albany um

[1:36:14] we were asked to come to schneckte about

[1:36:16] a year and a half ago by the samantha

[1:36:18] police department which we had

[1:36:19] established this program um at the very

[1:36:22] beginning of coded

[1:36:24] specifically it started off with

[1:36:26] foreign restaurant employees who were

[1:36:27] laid off we were very worried about that

[1:36:29] i'm actually the county legislator who

[1:36:31] represents luxury in albany so i met

[1:36:33] with some restaurant owners we started

[1:36:34] preparing meals so that those who are

[1:36:37] very dependent on

[1:36:39] you know daily income while they're

[1:36:41] waiting for unemployment weren't going

[1:36:43] hungry at the same time we started

[1:36:44] hearing about uh people in

[1:36:47] eastern albany the only housing

[1:36:49] authority where people were stuck in

[1:36:50] dorsey couldn't get out to get food they

[1:36:52] can get nutritious meals and we want to

[1:36:54] focus on that and then about a year into

[1:36:56] our work

[1:36:57] after we were established 501c3

[1:37:00] we were reached out to you by cnxdpd and

[1:37:02] been working with them on two different

[1:37:05] uh styles one is the curbside program

[1:37:07] we're already doing deliveries right so

[1:37:09] we're based out of albany but we're

[1:37:10] making delivery specifically with albany

[1:37:12] med's cancer survivorship program

[1:37:15] um for those who are suffering from

[1:37:17] disabilities who need meals

[1:37:19] and so we expanded the program and we

[1:37:21] also are connected with schenectady

[1:37:23] community college with their culinary

[1:37:25] program and we work with them union

[1:37:27] college students help us deliver the

[1:37:29] meals and obviously the semester police

[1:37:31] department is key

[1:37:32] the long basically we got hit sort of in

[1:37:35] a triple factor which is why we're sort

[1:37:37] of asking some of our partner

[1:37:38] communities for help

[1:37:40] one

[1:37:41] when we started we were mostly volunteer

[1:37:45] we had volunteer cook

[1:37:47] we have volunteer cooks we have massive

[1:37:49] donations of food from cisco and things

[1:37:51] of that nature

[1:37:53] and then since then we now pay

[1:37:55] you know some people we have to pay for

[1:37:57] all the food and food prices to come

[1:37:58] about 20

[1:38:00] we do pay a part-time chef we are

[1:38:02] obviously a volunteer board no there's no payment there but we

[1:38:06] basically have three part-time employees

[1:38:07] a part-time chef a part-time executive

[1:38:10] director as well for their finance

[1:38:11] boards up and our part-time volunteer

[1:38:14] coordinator

[1:38:15] distribution of meals and getting that

[1:38:17] there so we're a pretty bare bones

[1:38:18] organization but we've had to make the

[1:38:20] choice that as donations have decreased

[1:38:23] both financially and in food we've had

[1:38:25] to make the difficult decision that we

[1:38:27] have to start going to a core mission of

[1:38:29] how we can continue doing this for as

[1:38:30] long as possible

[1:38:32] because the need specifically wants food

[1:38:33] and security is not going away

[1:38:35] it's just that it's not on people's mind

[1:38:37] as much

[1:38:38] so this is going to allow us to move

[1:38:39] forward but um

[1:38:41] to your point

[1:38:43] the long-term goal is to have each of

[1:38:45] these sort of sub-branches start being

[1:38:47] independent if we can establish it so

[1:38:49] there might be like a feed capital

[1:38:51] region or fetal umbrella but there would

[1:38:53] be a feed schenectady as long as we can

[1:38:55] get our feet under us

[1:38:57] in the short term we've applied to

[1:38:59] senator schumer's office for federal

[1:39:00] grants and we've been looking to work

[1:39:02] with the seneca police department the

[1:39:04] mayor and obviously the common council

[1:39:06] that we're successful in establishing

[1:39:08] the presence to make it long-term viable

[1:39:11] the reason we came here is we also get

[1:39:13] approximately fifty thousand dollars um

[1:39:16] in federal grants actually from the city

[1:39:17] of albany and we thought that was a way

[1:39:19] that we could continue doing this in a

[1:39:20] sustainable way while we also

[1:39:22] fund raising problems

[1:39:24] thank you

[1:39:26] [Music]

[1:39:31] i just want to you know say that it's

[1:39:32] been such a phenomenal success the

[1:39:34] program and i know i think that

[1:39:36] councilwoman de toro

[1:39:44] um but just thank you for you know

[1:39:47] everybody that stepped up to the plate

[1:39:48] at the beginning

[1:39:49] uh

[1:39:50] you know two and a half years ago and

[1:39:52] thank you to our uh police force and

[1:39:55] volunteers

[1:40:00] it's a team effort though you know we've

[1:40:02] i think we've since the starting we had

[1:40:04] about 600 000 meals yeah

[1:40:06] it's

[1:40:08] [Music]

[1:40:12] well it's just you know such a great

[1:40:14] example of people just identifying a

[1:40:16] need and immediately

[1:40:18] you know responding to it instead of you

[1:40:19] know

[1:40:20] having to figure it out and you know

[1:40:22] that kind of thing it's just been

[1:40:24] phenomenal that's what we're gonna have

[1:40:26] we're gonna get it out there

[1:40:29] go ahead please

[1:40:31] just

[1:40:32] so um so every week we go we set up the

[1:40:35] meals

[1:40:36] different setup locations there's

[1:40:38] certain locations that are definitely

[1:40:42] more warranted as far as need than than

[1:40:44] other locations on front of vale

[1:40:47] cemetery it's been one of our our

[1:40:49] biggest outlets there and then christina

[1:40:51] always brings there's all kinds of fresh

[1:40:53] produce and bread and then we even have

[1:40:57] mike

[1:40:58] from

[1:41:00] st luke's food pantry

[1:41:03] every week he brings us

[1:41:05] food and goodie snacks

[1:41:08] and then christine takes some of those

[1:41:10] back to feed albany and then the

[1:41:12] bethesda house we drop off

[1:41:14] meals there and whatever is left the

[1:41:16] officers bring down to summit

[1:41:19] towers just to put in the community room

[1:41:22] and they make the announcements there so

[1:41:24] it definitely gets around the city all

[1:41:26] the food yes

[1:41:29] and the kids love the police officers

[1:41:31] so when the officers are there and they

[1:41:34] come up and they talk to them and show

[1:41:36] them the lights on the cars sticker

[1:41:38] matches they love stickers

[1:41:42] but it's there's definitely a need in

[1:41:44] our community for this

[1:41:46] so it's

[1:41:48] sometimes 145 meals a week um

[1:41:52] yeah i think we're just connecting alone

[1:41:54] i think we're up over 6500 meals so far

[1:41:56] that we paid it out

[1:41:58] and that program from i think we started

[1:42:00] out with nine

[1:42:02] uh people going through chemo and like

[1:42:04] um disabilities like just general

[1:42:06] disabilities they couldn't get out um

[1:42:08] you know anywhere from immunocompromise

[1:42:10] to like i said

[1:42:12] chemo radiation therapies and that's up

[1:42:14] to over 80 some odd meals that we're just

[1:42:17] personally delivering out

[1:42:19] to those individuals in the city

[1:42:21] yeah it's approximately 125 250 meals

[1:42:24] per side and then approximately 80 meals

[1:42:26] every week to those individuals who are

[1:42:29] as

[1:42:30] we talk about

[1:42:31] compromised individuals and things of

[1:42:33] that nature

[1:42:34] and that's how i first started was just

[1:42:36] going delivering to them to the people

[1:42:38] like oh they invite you in they want to

[1:42:40] talk um you know you just sit with them

[1:42:43] that's an important part of it you know

[1:42:45] they they await the the coming others

[1:42:47] are like leave them out just leave them

[1:42:48] on the porch cover it with a topic okay

[1:42:51] but thank you it really is like just to

[1:42:54] see like people's faces and just to

[1:42:56] interact with with the community it's huge that alone i think is

[1:43:00] wonderful

[1:43:01] but

[1:43:02] it's i mean it really

[1:43:04] it would be a pity to see this fall by

[1:43:07] the way

[1:43:13] um so definitely uh i know we're talking

[1:43:15] about the contribution that the city can

[1:43:17] make but i don't know if you've reached

[1:43:19] out to the school district definitely

[1:43:20] superintendent solay is actively working

[1:43:22] on implementing a community schools

[1:43:24] model where this very much i think could

[1:43:26] be something that they can undertake so

[1:43:28] i don't know if you have established

[1:43:29] communication probably definitely

[1:43:31] we haven't yet but we are working on

[1:43:33] that as part of the next step as we

[1:43:34] expand we want to sort of make sure to

[1:43:36] see who our partners are to start with

[1:43:38] um where we can afford you know be next

[1:43:40] year as we're getting these grants more

[1:43:42] cash flow issue until those grants come

[1:43:43] in and then we'll be looking to say okay

[1:43:46] you know one of the big ones we have in

[1:43:47] albany is the city housing authority and

[1:43:49] they help direct distribute the school

[1:43:51] districts are a big one that we're

[1:43:52] looking to we work with some of the

[1:43:54] charter schools specifically so we'll

[1:43:56] reach out as well as the state of albany

[1:43:58] public schools so it's definitely

[1:43:59] something to be interested in christine

[1:44:01] also has she has coped so she can't be

[1:44:03] here unfortunately

[1:44:04] but she's reached out to the

[1:44:07] senator todisco and told me about the

[1:44:08] wright family so they're yeah they're

[1:44:10] reaching out for them and to

[1:44:12] disconnect foundation as well so they're

[1:44:15] they are working on that

[1:44:24] [Music]

[1:44:47] aye thank you

[1:44:50] take care

[1:44:54] you pop up an app store

[1:44:56] okay i would like to call government ops

[1:44:58] to order one item discussion filling

[1:45:01] vacant position on the city workforce

[1:45:05] mr field thank you so we talked about

[1:45:08] this a few weeks ago um and we came up

[1:45:11] with some things that we were going to

[1:45:12] do part of which was um

[1:45:14] working with uh marianne and hr to make

[1:45:17] sure we knew what the job opportunities

[1:45:19] were

[1:45:20] uh which we have done and she actually

[1:45:22] was at the green market uh this the

[1:45:24] second sunday handing out applications

[1:45:27] there's a they've created a flyer with a

[1:45:30] qr code letting people know you know the

[1:45:32] jobs that are available

[1:45:34] and as you heard um earlier we that our

[1:45:38] code department is down people and

[1:45:40] that's just happening all over um

[1:45:42] all over the city

[1:45:44] but not only that i was watching the

[1:45:46] news where there's airlines that are

[1:45:48] grounding flights because they just

[1:45:50] don't have enough staff so this is not

[1:45:52] something that just is happening locally

[1:45:55] and um so i just thought we should need

[1:45:57] to talk about how

[1:45:58] we could address that um this this

[1:46:01] particular topic has come up numerous

[1:46:03] times in these conversations so i

[1:46:04] thought i should bring it to this table

[1:46:06] currently um if you're a resident of if

[1:46:08] you want to work for the city of

[1:46:09] schenectady you have to actually reside

[1:46:11] in the city of schenectady

[1:46:14] and so the question comes up do we

[1:46:16] expand that to the county

[1:46:20] we actually have lost people to other

[1:46:24] municipalities within schenectady county

[1:46:26] because you don't have to live in

[1:46:28] rotterdam to work in modern day we've

[1:46:29] left they'll have people leave who work

[1:46:31] for the city to work in rotterdam

[1:46:32] because they didn't you know

[1:46:34] there may be have been other reasons but

[1:46:36] that stipulation wasn't there so it

[1:46:38] didn't

[1:46:39] make them stay in schenectady so um

[1:46:42] in talking with staff just to be uh to

[1:46:44] be completely transparent um

[1:46:47] conversation's been brought up more than

[1:46:48] one time so i thought it was something

[1:46:49] that we should discuss and talk about

[1:46:51] how we can make sure that we get our

[1:46:53] workforce

[1:46:55] um

[1:46:56] back up to what to be in in terms of

[1:46:59] considering considering people having

[1:47:01] residency within the county and not just

[1:47:03] within the city

[1:47:05] the county itself did something similar

[1:47:07] to this a few years ago and one of the

[1:47:09] stipulations that they did have was that

[1:47:11] if um let's say a person tested and at

[1:47:14] all things being equal

[1:47:16] that the person in the and one within

[1:47:17] the city and one in the county the

[1:47:18] person of course that lives in the city

[1:47:20] would um be their chosen candidate so

[1:47:23] i just kind of opened that up for

[1:47:25] discussion i'm not even sure what it

[1:47:26] takes to get us there but i think it's

[1:47:28] something that we um we really want to

[1:47:31] consider and i'm sure that the mayor has

[1:47:34] made an opinion on that but as i said

[1:47:36] it's been brought up to me numerous

[1:47:37] times

[1:47:38] and um

[1:47:40] so thought it's something we should

[1:47:41] discuss if we're really um you know

[1:47:43] serious about making sure that we

[1:47:45] be able to employ people um that we need

[1:47:47] to employ

[1:47:49] so

[1:47:50] mccarthy is a residency board um

[1:47:53] functioning that's my time

[1:47:56] there is not a residency board per se

[1:48:00] it is if there's an issue that comes

[1:48:02] up upon the residency board

[1:48:05] and

[1:48:06] conveniently

[1:48:09] hearing a review

[1:48:11] on that status

[1:48:13] is this something that you can consider

[1:48:15] on a case-by-case basis is there an

[1:48:17] application in and somebody is

[1:48:19] considered to be suitable for a position

[1:48:22] to waive that residency

[1:48:27] it has been done in the past on a

[1:48:28] case-by-case basis

[1:48:30] the uh

[1:48:32] one was done when we took the

[1:48:36] uh

[1:48:38] wastewater treatment back in house

[1:48:41] where

[1:48:42] farmed out and the olia had it so there

[1:48:45] was no residency requirement brought

[1:48:47] those people in they weren't held to the

[1:48:48] residency requirement

[1:48:51] since then the only one that i have uh

[1:48:55] gone for a waiver was judge eidens when

[1:48:58] i appointed him a

[1:48:59] public safety commissioner

[1:49:01] he was a little bit older

[1:49:05] like life lived in glenville and

[1:49:07] was

[1:49:09] not interested in moving but

[1:49:12] served with distinction i didn't go for

[1:49:14] the residency way when that i've not

[1:49:16] done that for

[1:49:18] commissioner devine

[1:49:20] so i'm not sure he technically needs to

[1:49:22] need to seize only part-time

[1:49:25] and again

[1:49:26] but would look at it on a get a

[1:49:30] case-by-case basis

[1:49:34] and just uh you know

[1:49:36] so thank you to whoever update the

[1:49:38] website most of the positions are there

[1:49:40] so thank you whoever did it

[1:49:42] well mary and you're making sure

[1:49:45] so that was good and i recorded i shared

[1:49:47] it to all my contacts and i encourage

[1:49:48] everyone please go on there and share it

[1:49:51] and

[1:49:52] getting hits

[1:49:53] and i'm encouraging people to submit

[1:49:55] their resume directly

[1:49:56] for each of their positions so

[1:50:00] agree um but but my my point really was

[1:50:04] us do this overall not by a case-by-case

[1:50:06] basis that means every single person

[1:50:08] that um that wants to employ the mayor

[1:50:11] has to you know look at every single

[1:50:13] application

[1:50:14] uh every single person that that doesn't

[1:50:16] live in the city that lives in the um

[1:50:18] county and i'm not sure what the

[1:50:19] criteria is

[1:50:21] um in terms of the case by case well one

[1:50:23] reason was you know the marriage escaped

[1:50:25] that the person was older their wife

[1:50:27] didn't want to move makes sense you

[1:50:28] don't want to sell your house to if

[1:50:30] you're at the place where you're going

[1:50:31] to be retiring in a couple years anyway

[1:50:33] so

[1:50:34] but i just really want us to consider

[1:50:36] it more broad term

[1:50:38] so the question is have been have we

[1:50:40] been receiving resume from

[1:50:42] residency outside of connectivity

[1:50:46] we on a routine basis get applications

[1:50:49] for individuals who do not live within

[1:50:51] the city of schenectady current code

[1:50:54] allows me to appoint

[1:50:56] anyone independent of their place of

[1:50:58] residency but they're required to move

[1:51:00] within the city within six months of

[1:51:03] appointment

[1:51:10] so i think when and we've heard this

[1:51:12] instance multiple times just tonight to

[1:51:14] reference something that was recent with

[1:51:16] the chris talking about the code

[1:51:17] enforcement having sis off six officers

[1:51:20] out of 14. i don't know how you can

[1:51:24] routinely expect them to perform to the

[1:51:26] highest degree when just they're that

[1:51:28] understaffed

[1:51:30] i want to be

[1:51:32] aware that there may be other

[1:51:34] considerations that i'm not aware of as

[1:51:35] a new council member but to me i would

[1:51:37] either recommend temporarily suspending

[1:51:39] it at least until we can get our

[1:51:41] departments either fully staffed or

[1:51:43] whether we can identify uh departments

[1:51:45] that are in critical standing but of

[1:51:47] getting them to a standpoint where they

[1:51:48] are functional

[1:51:50] whether we define like a 75

[1:51:53] what have you um or permanently deleting

[1:51:55] it or permanently doing away with it the

[1:51:57] only reason why i recommend that is uh

[1:51:59] it seems that we are trending in a

[1:52:01] direction with with staffing that is not

[1:52:04] in line with things that have previously

[1:52:06] worked

[1:52:07] i don't think that this is an instance

[1:52:09] where schenectady isn't

[1:52:12] being

[1:52:13] promoted as a ideal living situation and

[1:52:16] i recognize that our city is making

[1:52:17] efforts to present itself as an ideal

[1:52:20] destination for for families but it

[1:52:22] doesn't seem to be in place a

[1:52:25] effective mechanism that has a pipeline

[1:52:27] to staff these departments and the one

[1:52:29] thing that i would hate to see is

[1:52:31] that exiting to continue and then we'd

[1:52:33] be at one or potentially departments

[1:52:36] that are not stopped

[1:52:38] that's one question from mr coleman

[1:52:40] if you want to suspend

[1:52:42] this requirement do we need a call for

[1:52:45] public hearing if you're looking to

[1:52:46] temporarily change the code yes because

[1:52:48] that's essentially what it is yes

[1:52:50] you would um i mean the current

[1:52:53] mechanism in place for somebody who

[1:52:55] doesn't reside in schenectady would be

[1:52:57] to seek a waiver as provided in the city

[1:53:00] of god

[1:53:03] please

[1:53:03] so what would residents say thank you

[1:53:06] carl for all that but what would you

[1:53:07] know that do to our schools and our

[1:53:09] community and

[1:53:11] you know we just be a destination to

[1:53:13] come and work and everybody leaves right

[1:53:15] after work

[1:53:16] i i don't know i just i i don't agree

[1:53:19] with it but i think we're in a position that everyone across

[1:53:23] america is in i probably everyone's

[1:53:26] departments are low you know i don't

[1:53:28] know but again

[1:53:30] you know we want to build our home sales

[1:53:32] and our schools and our community

[1:53:35] um

[1:53:36] you know like downtown albany you know

[1:53:38] it's

[1:53:44] that people are all over um that's why

[1:53:46] people are looking different ways to

[1:53:47] handle it and so um there are places

[1:53:50] that other you know who have opened up

[1:53:52] like like for the housing authority let

[1:53:54] me give you an example before you only

[1:53:56] could live in schenectady county they've

[1:53:58] changed it now that if you live in

[1:53:59] contiguous counties you are you can work

[1:54:01] for them so because it's a problem

[1:54:03] that's ongoing

[1:54:04] we have to approach it in a different

[1:54:06] way and um i understand what you're saying i'm not

[1:54:11] sure if i have really the same concern i

[1:54:12] don't anticipate people move out of the

[1:54:14] city and all of our school districts

[1:54:16] will go on and in terms of the school

[1:54:18] district in order to work for the school

[1:54:19] district you do not have to live in the

[1:54:21] city you don't even have to live in the

[1:54:22] county so we already have people that

[1:54:25] come here to teach in our schools that um you know they teach

[1:54:30] um and i'm gonna say i know a lot of

[1:54:32] them that are still committed to our

[1:54:33] students etc they come they teach in the

[1:54:35] schools and then they go home because we

[1:54:37] just didn't have enough of a pool to

[1:54:39] draw from in terms of our school

[1:54:42] district so i think we're almost in the

[1:54:43] same situation now

[1:54:47] so just a follow-up on the application

[1:54:50] that we cut some of the application that

[1:54:52] we have for a non-resident

[1:54:54] can consideration be given to look into

[1:54:56] them and apply the waiver

[1:54:58] uh we we'd like to uh if they're

[1:55:01] qualified yeah as you're qualified you

[1:55:03] know we would like to bring them to the

[1:55:05] mirror but uh a lot of times because of

[1:55:08] the six months rule that we have people

[1:55:10] automatically tell us well i i only have

[1:55:13] like two more years of the pay of my

[1:55:14] house i'm not gonna move in the city in

[1:55:16] six months so you know we have to

[1:55:18] disqualify them because they tell us up

[1:55:20] front they're not coming in but you know

[1:55:22] what we need to do is cast a bigger net

[1:55:24] around the continuous uh counties and

[1:55:26] stuff like that so that we can get the

[1:55:28] best possible workers or uh that you

[1:55:31] know that applied for each position uh the city is connected you know we've been trying like you said we we

[1:55:38] have all those job openings and and we

[1:55:40] always go out we try to tell everybody

[1:55:42] about these jobs we just can't get the

[1:55:44] right qualifications uh to meet with

[1:55:47] them but if we can cast a bigger net

[1:55:49] we'll be able to get more applications

[1:55:51] and more people in i also believe that

[1:55:53] uh people who do not live in the city

[1:55:55] right now start working in the city and

[1:55:58] seeing what the city has to offer they

[1:56:00] eventually will move into the city but

[1:56:01] you know to be an option to get him here

[1:56:03] first is through uh through uh uh

[1:56:06] employment

[1:56:07] and like it says throughout the country

[1:56:09] employment is hard to find

[1:56:10] so we're even we're making our

[1:56:12] employment status even smaller by

[1:56:14] casting that small net right in our

[1:56:16] little city

[1:56:18] so we need we need to make it bigger to

[1:56:20] get better employees

[1:56:26] i mean for andrew so what about the

[1:56:29] employees that already live in the city

[1:56:31] i mean would they be able to move out of

[1:56:33] the city now

[1:56:34] if something like that came about

[1:56:37] presumably if we were to remove the

[1:56:39] restriction that somebody who's employed

[1:56:40] by the city or somebody who seems to be

[1:56:42] employed by the city doesn't have to

[1:56:44] live in the city

[1:56:45] then

[1:56:46] yes you that the potential is there for

[1:56:48] that

[1:56:50] go have kids

[1:56:52] it's an extremely hard thing to

[1:56:53] administer

[1:56:56] i firmly believe in the residency

[1:56:58] requirement

[1:57:01] there is a provision

[1:57:02] most people when they are hired

[1:57:04] pre-signing a resignation if they move

[1:57:07] out of the city if i enforce those

[1:57:10] your staffing levels would be critical

[1:57:13] today we get by

[1:57:15] um yeah i'm sure that so you know but

[1:57:18] without that being mirrored that means that that

[1:57:21] wouldn't even be a concern because as

[1:57:22] long as they're in the county i just

[1:57:23] want to be clear i'm not talking about

[1:57:25] other counties i'm not talking about

[1:57:27] somebody moving to albany school i'm

[1:57:28] talking about expanding um

[1:57:31] at least to the county and see how we do

[1:57:33] in terms of

[1:57:35] um getting more employees and as mr

[1:57:37] ferrari said just cast your bigger net

[1:57:39] so talking about the county of

[1:57:41] schenectady

[1:57:42] you said we already have people who are

[1:57:43] in that situation

[1:57:46] that's what i'm hearing

[1:57:48] yes they

[1:57:50] don't live in the city uh

[1:57:53] maintain a paper residency or

[1:57:56] in other ways have created a charade

[1:57:58] that

[1:57:59] complies with the current residency

[1:58:02] requirement

[1:58:04] good

[1:58:06] so

[1:58:07] one of the major criticisms of the

[1:58:08] school district is

[1:58:10] our teachers aren't living there

[1:58:13] and

[1:58:14] they take our tax money and they leave

[1:58:17] and that doesn't mean they're not

[1:58:19] dedicated to students but they're not

[1:58:20] dedicated to our community

[1:58:22] and that's a detriment

[1:58:26] similarly we could have a situation

[1:58:29] where our workers do leave

[1:58:31] there needs to be something in place

[1:58:34] if we're going to do this where

[1:58:36] there's skin in the game

[1:58:38] if you're living in the city you're

[1:58:40] contributing to the community you're

[1:58:41] contributing to

[1:58:43] the tax base

[1:58:45] if you're not living here then there

[1:58:47] should be some sort of

[1:58:50] eight ten thousand dollar

[1:58:53] less

[1:58:54] pay or something

[1:58:56] to compensate for that incentive and

[1:58:58] there needs to be an incentive to

[1:59:01] move here and be part of our community

[1:59:04] that gets

[1:59:06] the umbrella wider but it also puts the

[1:59:09] playing ground at an even

[1:59:12] keel for the workers who

[1:59:14] are in our city and are dedicated so any

[1:59:17] new employees that don't live in the

[1:59:19] city should have some sort of

[1:59:21] penalty and

[1:59:23] i understand there's

[1:59:24] contractual

[1:59:26] issues related to that

[1:59:27] but uh

[1:59:29] i firmly believe that that needs to be

[1:59:31] in place

[1:59:35] so if you're

[1:59:36] segments what you're saying i don't

[1:59:38] think financially penalizing people to

[1:59:40] be involved in the community

[1:59:42] means to long-term successful impacts

[1:59:45] part of the reason why my family moved

[1:59:47] back is because we wanted to

[1:59:49] and i will entirely bet on the fact that

[1:59:51] the

[1:59:53] ambitions of mayor mccarthy the

[1:59:54] ambitions of superintendent soler will

[1:59:57] yield people wanting to buy into the

[1:59:59] fact that schenectady is a thriving

[2:00:01] community and i think if we are then

[2:00:04] compared to other cities

[2:00:07] and someone chooses somewhere else

[2:00:09] we need to honestly look introspectively

[2:00:11] and say is there anything we could have

[2:00:13] realistically done better and if it's no

[2:00:15] then accepting that but whenever we have

[2:00:17] our parades downtown whenever we have

[2:00:20] our uh sunday events in downtown

[2:00:22] connecticut i'm asking people candidly

[2:00:24] do you live in our community and when i

[2:00:25] hear no i thank them for patronizing our

[2:00:28] businesses and let them know that we do

[2:00:29] have houses that we do have safe and

[2:00:31] successful neighborhoods and they should

[2:00:33] choose us

[2:00:34] and i think that that is the aim that we

[2:00:37] need to take on

[2:00:40] so i just want to follow back and just

[2:00:42] clarify just so we're having the

[2:00:43] residency is that for six months only

[2:00:46] is that for a period of six months only

[2:00:50] waving residency

[2:01:02] i would have to convene the residency

[2:01:05] review board they would have to vote a

[2:01:06] waiver the city council can change the

[2:01:10] actual code and that weaver doesn't have

[2:01:12] the limitation

[2:01:14] of whatever you enacted

[2:01:18] no currently

[2:01:19] what we have currently if you were to

[2:01:21] wave the residency

[2:01:23] is there a timeline

[2:01:25] is that permanent i believe that it's

[2:01:28] permanent like it's great

[2:01:29] i suppose the residency review board

[2:01:31] could

[2:01:32] do a limited waiver but the ones

[2:01:35] have been done on a permanent basis a

[2:01:37] section of code to review if i'm sorry

[2:01:40] the section of code to review on this is

[2:01:41] 87-6.1

[2:01:45] and the sub-sections

[2:01:47] that goes through you know the

[2:01:49] procedures and the um

[2:01:52] the considerations

[2:01:54] uh for granting a waiver

[2:01:58] yeah i think i personally think that we

[2:01:59] should look at the waiver based on the

[2:02:01] application coming in and if there are

[2:02:02] non-residency we can look at the you

[2:02:05] know application they're qualified look

[2:02:07] at waving the residency

[2:02:09] because we we need to increase the

[2:02:12] workforce and we need to do something

[2:02:15] good sorry a couple of issues i i think

[2:02:18] and just to twist that around i think

[2:02:20] the idea of giving an incentive to

[2:02:22] someone that's living in the city versus

[2:02:24] penalizing somebody you know that's not

[2:02:26] so i think i i i hear what you're both

[2:02:29] saying i like the idea of giving an

[2:02:31] incentive to someone and many of us have

[2:02:33] that at different workplaces over the

[2:02:35] years where you look at health insurance

[2:02:37] for example are you going to accept the

[2:02:39] health insurance okay or if you don't

[2:02:41] accept the health insurance hey we'll

[2:02:42] give you an extra two thousand dollars

[2:02:44] in your salary because it's saving the

[2:02:46] organization so i mean there's ways to

[2:02:48] play around with with that as well um

[2:02:51] i personally

[2:02:54] feel the same way you want people to

[2:02:56] live here we want this we want people to

[2:02:57] recognize what a fabulous place this is

[2:03:00] to live and there and i think that more

[2:03:02] and more people are figuring that out i

[2:03:04] would like to know

[2:03:06] whether i mean because we all have

[2:03:08] identified that the workforce issue in

[2:03:11] our country

[2:03:13] is just

[2:03:14] you know i mean why are people not

[2:03:16] applying for all the jobs there's

[2:03:18] millions of jobs available um and folks

[2:03:21] just aren't even like stepping up to the

[2:03:23] plate to try to apply for the job so i

[2:03:25] guess i'd want to dig a little deeper

[2:03:27] and know is it because somebody doesn't

[2:03:29] want to come and live in schenectady or

[2:03:31] is it that we're just not getting

[2:03:33] applications uh in general you know

[2:03:37] because when people see that

[2:03:40] they don't even

[2:03:41] okay yeah

[2:03:43] so we wouldn't have high data on that

[2:03:45] actually yeah so that's that's one thing

[2:03:47] i want to say and i also think that

[2:03:49] um i can see a difference between for

[2:03:52] example an 18 an hour

[2:03:54] um you know person who's going to be

[2:03:56] working on a garbage truck versus um

[2:04:00] someone that's coming to work in our

[2:04:01] corporation council office at a much

[2:04:04] higher salary i mean i'm just saying i'm

[2:04:05] just trying to bring up issues that i

[2:04:08] think would all have to be um

[2:04:10] considered in this in this as a broader

[2:04:13] topic that

[2:04:14] you know i think flexibility around

[2:04:16] someone that's making 18 an hour

[2:04:19] and maybe doesn't want to move here um

[2:04:21] to make 18 an hour

[2:04:23] versus

[2:04:24] you know someone else's salary so i

[2:04:26] think it's i think there's a lot of

[2:04:28] levels

[2:04:29] um it's like peeling the onion back uh

[2:04:31] in terms of in terms of this issue

[2:04:35] go ahead i know that currently if

[2:04:37] there's someone that we really need to

[2:04:40] fill at a higher level um that that the

[2:04:43] mayor is willing to you know and has

[2:04:45] considered people just because if we

[2:04:47] can't find someone not only want a name

[2:04:48] position but a particular position um

[2:04:51] that requires a certain skill set it's

[2:04:54] that um that that person

[2:04:57] you know um probably may consider us

[2:05:00] like there was a woman who did work for

[2:05:02] um

[2:05:03] our assessment assessment and she didn't

[2:05:05] live in the city i believe she had a

[2:05:06] waiver at some point because she brought

[2:05:09] the skill set that we needed to the

[2:05:10] table so i think

[2:05:12] it's kind of like a little bit different

[2:05:13] than what you're saying actually because

[2:05:15] the people with the highest salary with

[2:05:17] the

[2:05:18] specific skill set i'm more inclined to

[2:05:22] be able to get the waiver as the people

[2:05:24] at the uh 18 an hour

[2:05:27] because it's a skill set that may be

[2:05:28] difficult to find within the city

[2:05:32] i'm saying we need both though just so

[2:05:33] you know

[2:05:36] like clearly

[2:05:38] i think we were talking about somebody

[2:05:39] working the assessment so i was

[2:05:41] appointed by a prior administration who

[2:05:43] did not have a waiver and i did not

[2:05:46] reappoint that person

[2:05:50] go ahead please

[2:05:51] have we ever considered i don't know but

[2:05:54] raising our

[2:05:55] pay scale

[2:05:56] okay we have well we have okay

[2:05:59] maybe we should consider it again thanks

[2:06:01] for bringing that up

[2:06:02] but

[2:06:03] just talking about incentive i think in

[2:06:05] our last year's budget there is a

[2:06:07] discretionary line

[2:06:09] towards amazon budget to use

[2:06:12] as an incentive to attract

[2:06:23] but i did

[2:06:25] attempt to hire an individual used all

[2:06:27] that money and put some other money on

[2:06:29] the table and still was not able to hire

[2:06:31] the person

[2:06:35] so does that mean that we should be

[2:06:37] looking i'm sorry don't go ahead that

[2:06:38] means we should be looking at ourselves

[2:06:42] there are other factors that play there

[2:06:46] so um you know i i think it's something

[2:06:48] we really should consider currently our

[2:06:50] police officers don't have to live in

[2:06:52] the city our chief does

[2:06:54] so

[2:06:55] mayors are cheap he lives in the city so

[2:06:58] um so i think that it's something we

[2:07:00] should consider if we want to really

[2:07:01] build our workforce back

[2:07:03] and i to your point um ms patrick i i

[2:07:05] agree that we should incentivize people

[2:07:07] that already live here

[2:07:08] um maybe maybe um

[2:07:10] not penalized incentivized so maybe

[2:07:13] really increase the salary for people

[2:07:15] that already live here and the other

[2:07:16] people just come in currently so i think

[2:07:18] that it's a lot to think about but i

[2:07:20] definitely believe it's something we

[2:07:22] should think about

[2:07:23] to figure out how to um increase our

[2:07:25] workforce and get

[2:07:27] people here

[2:07:29] go ahead please

[2:07:30] in uh just in

[2:07:32] general information my

[2:07:34] last conversation with paul milton at

[2:07:38] ellis madison ellis and that was

[2:07:42] four weeks ago five weeks ago they were

[2:07:44] down 500 positions on a workforce that

[2:07:48] is

[2:07:49] 3200

[2:07:52] normal staffing

[2:07:53] and so and that's across the board so

[2:07:56] it's

[2:07:57] higher level medical people it's uh

[2:08:00] administrative people

[2:08:01] lab technicians

[2:08:05] everybody so again it's not unique just

[2:08:08] what the conversation has been

[2:08:10] it's a national phenomenon now where

[2:08:12] there are a lot of openings out there

[2:08:14] how do you

[2:08:16] match people up to it and create that

[2:08:19] workforce development that

[2:08:22] gives us people to

[2:08:24] fill the slots a lot of things that ron

[2:08:26] gardner is doing

[2:08:28] you know they're not

[2:08:29] [Music]

[2:08:31] quick but i believe they're going to be

[2:08:32] long-term solutions that'll give us

[2:08:35] quality and uh

[2:08:37] highly skilled people that are motivated

[2:08:39] to do the right thing and be

[2:08:41] part of the bigger ecosystem we've all

[2:08:43] talked about this narrative here the

[2:08:45] good things that are happening

[2:08:47] in schenectady now and we want to

[2:08:48] continue

[2:08:51] i think we need quick now though

[2:08:56] so you know i mean i think even if it's

[2:08:59] temporarily but we definitely need to

[2:09:01] and as i know that it's happening all

[2:09:02] over the country so the question for me

[2:09:04] becomes what do we do to remedy it for

[2:09:07] us

[2:09:08] and you know how do we look at that so

[2:09:11] ellis is another employer and of course

[2:09:12] they're in the city but they're people

[2:09:14] everybody in the city council could just

[2:09:15] give me one name so i'll get seven

[2:09:18] resumes

[2:09:19] so then then our code department will be

[2:09:21] filled and then what about the other

[2:09:22] side well no not just codes i'll

[2:09:24] restrict you can give me a police officer a

[2:09:27] firefighter boat officer

[2:09:30] the police fire don't have to live in

[2:09:31] the city

[2:09:33] let's say you also have a penalty for

[2:09:35] not living in the city firefighters are

[2:09:36] exempt by state laws

[2:09:40] only for five years

[2:09:42] please help us

[2:09:44] so

[2:09:49] well i'm definitely i want to look at

[2:09:51] the code

[2:09:54] 87-6.1 to see you know about that but i

[2:09:57] think that we really should

[2:09:58] really give some consideration even if

[2:10:00] we do it on a temporary basis or if we

[2:10:02] say

[2:10:04] i mean i know that it's up to the mayor

[2:10:06] to like interview everybody so do is

[2:10:08] there

[2:10:09] i guess we need to have that discussion

[2:10:10] with you in terms of if everything was

[2:10:13] equal and residency was the only issue

[2:10:16] if that would just be someone that you

[2:10:17] would be willing to hire i think that

[2:10:18] that's important for us to to have that

[2:10:20] conversation as well

[2:10:22] so and

[2:10:24] to your point um i don't know what that

[2:10:26] does for people who

[2:10:27] live in the city if they want to move

[2:10:29] out of the city so i think it's a lot to

[2:10:30] consider but i

[2:10:32] strongly believe we need to consider it

[2:10:34] because our workforce is down and you

[2:10:36] know all the departments that um that

[2:10:37] i've spoken with

[2:10:39] has you know how they're running on a on

[2:10:42] a shoestring basically and everybody's

[2:10:44] understaffed so

[2:10:45] what can we do to remedy that to make

[2:10:47] sure that our staff is uh

[2:10:49] you know just not so overworked

[2:10:54] so i will look at the code and mr coldin

[2:10:57] um you know i'll have those discussions

[2:10:59] with you and then we can bring you back

[2:11:01] to the council what's currently here

[2:11:03] and um if the residency if it means the

[2:11:05] residency board needs to be called

[2:11:07] well definitely you know we would have

[2:11:09] to work on that

[2:11:14] any other questions on this so we'll

[2:11:15] bring it back in two weeks be back in

[2:11:17] two weeks okay

[2:11:21] motion to return

[2:11:31] so i'd like to call to the order of the

[2:11:32] public safety committee we have two

[2:11:33] items that will follow us the first is a

[2:11:36] discussion reducing city limit to 25

[2:11:38] miles an hour and i'll be talked to my

[2:11:41] company

[2:11:42] thank you

[2:11:43] um well

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[2:11:46] as you know the um

[2:11:49] state assembly and senate have passed

[2:11:52] what we asked for

[2:11:54] um i think last year was that mr

[2:11:56] palamani um had asked

[2:11:59] had brought forward i think in the last

[2:12:01] couple of years you brought forth

[2:12:03] something two years ago and then last

[2:12:04] year last year was to go to the state to

[2:12:07] ask that we would get the ability to be

[2:12:09] able to um

[2:12:11] lower the speed limit within the city

[2:12:13] the 25 miles per hour so although that

[2:12:16] has that's now awaiting

[2:12:18] on the governor's signature

[2:12:20] uh for that and i don't know when that

[2:12:22] might happen but i

[2:12:25] asked to meet with the mayor and the

[2:12:27] chief and uh our assistant chief

[2:12:30] and mr coluccio uh last week so that we

[2:12:33] could start talking about some of the

[2:12:35] issues that would be involved in

[2:12:37] reducing the

[2:12:39] speed limit to 25 miles per hour we've

[2:12:41] certainly heard from our residents um

[2:12:44] whether it be the

[2:12:46] sun the united neighborhood association

[2:12:48] or just i'm sure uh it's definitely i'm

[2:12:51] getting calls i got

[2:12:53] emails and calls today um but every week

[2:12:56] probably all of us are hearing from

[2:12:58] residents about the speeding issues that

[2:13:01] are happening in the city as a major

[2:13:04] quality of life issue and a safety issue

[2:13:06] obviously for for our pedestrians as we

[2:13:10] start to think about

[2:13:11] i shouldn't say start to think about but

[2:13:13] as we continue to think about making the

[2:13:15] city more walkable and more bikable um i

[2:13:18] mean this plays into that safety aspect

[2:13:20] as well

[2:13:22] so

[2:13:22] i'm bringing it forward i would like to

[2:13:24] recommend that we actually do

[2:13:26] reduce the

[2:13:28] speed limit to 25 miles per hour within

[2:13:30] the city um also we do have the

[2:13:33] assistant chief and we have mr cruzo

[2:13:35] here um who could speak

[2:13:37] to their side of what they think

[2:13:40] regarding

[2:13:42] the signage and everything that would go

[2:13:44] into that uh change as well as the

[2:13:46] enforcement issues so if we could maybe

[2:13:48] ask them to come forward

[2:13:51] sure sure

[2:13:54] so yes

[2:13:55] we did a defending defend keeping um

[2:13:59] database of science since about 1999

[2:14:03] you know an actual database we have

[2:14:04] files for all the city streets but in

[2:14:07] the database and there's been about

[2:14:10] 141 um

[2:14:12] 30 mile an hour speed limits uh in that

[2:14:15] database

[2:14:16] uh installed repaired replace so

[2:14:19] if we added an estimate to that

[2:14:22] maybe we're talking 200 signs that would

[2:14:25] have to be replaced someplace in that

[2:14:28] vicinity because you know you're going

[2:14:30] to get requests for additional signs

[2:14:33] um

[2:14:34] you know over what we have now

[2:14:36] so we're estimating around forty dollars

[2:14:43] a sign or something around there prices

[2:14:46] go up horribly and take forever to get i

[2:14:48] think we're probably

[2:14:50] um if we were going to do this

[2:14:52] i think we're talking three to four

[2:14:54] months at least

[2:14:55] um

[2:14:57] maybe around ten thousand dollars that's

[2:14:59] what i'm estimating um

[2:15:02] for the signs and

[2:15:03] some of the installation

[2:15:06] we talked with the mayor he was we

[2:15:08] talked about uh refurbishing signs and

[2:15:11] yes we can do that but

[2:15:13] i know we need to do this on a

[2:15:15] rather quick basis so that we don't have

[2:15:17] mixed 25s and 30s up in the city which

[2:15:21] will be very confusing um

[2:15:23] and that size sign we actually can use

[2:15:26] for other signs that we have out there

[2:15:28] so i'm not um concerned about wasting

[2:15:31] the metal if you will we resurface most

[2:15:33] of our signs

[2:15:34] so um yeah

[2:15:37] so it's certainly something we can do

[2:15:40] my own couple of comments um

[2:15:43] very difficult to enforce the 30 mile an

[2:15:46] hour speed limit we have out there so i

[2:15:48] don't want anyone to be

[2:15:51] the solution that 25 is going to be any

[2:15:54] easier to enforce um

[2:15:58] you know it's a feel-good thing i think

[2:15:59] that's certainly important that we're

[2:16:02] looking in the right direction

[2:16:04] but it is going to take enforcement and

[2:16:06] maybe that's something that we need to

[2:16:08] consider as far as

[2:16:10] some additional dollars for

[2:16:14] some of that enforcement right off the

[2:16:15] bat to make sure that

[2:16:19] you know we start off in the right

[2:16:21] direction we didn't talk about that

[2:16:23] before but that is definitely

[2:16:26] an avenue that you should consider

[2:16:28] taking to try to make sure that

[2:16:30] enforcement is done

[2:16:36] oh what what do you actually mean by

[2:16:38] enforcement

[2:16:40] and putting speedy tickets yeah

[2:16:43] officers going out in the street

[2:16:45] reminding people of the new speeds

[2:16:48] ticketing when necessary potentially

[2:16:50] ticketing when the

[2:16:52] speed is you know 15 miles over the

[2:16:55] speed limit right maybe i should shut up

[2:17:08] okay so you talked about refurbishing

[2:17:10] the signs of replacing signs 10 000

[2:17:13] about ten thousand dollars so um is

[2:17:15] there an opportunity just to actually

[2:17:17] paint the new numbers onto something

[2:17:18] that could be riveted to the current

[2:17:20] signs so that the cost is not um

[2:17:23] as much and then the signs can actually

[2:17:26] stay in place while you do it it's not

[2:17:28] taking them down to reinstall them

[2:17:29] they're just making out of whatever

[2:17:30] material it's made out of and i don't

[2:17:32] know all the technical terms however

[2:17:34] so that you know stands up to the

[2:17:36] weather et cetera and just riveting it

[2:17:38] over 30 just putting 25 to 30. yeah and

[2:17:41] there would be some cost savings there

[2:17:42] it's possible to buy a you know fine

[2:17:46] metal plate though and put that 25 on it

[2:17:48] i can't go out in the field and do it

[2:17:50] you'd have them all

[2:17:51] cock-eyed

[2:17:54] to do that but yeah we could put them on

[2:17:55] plates and then drill the plates and put

[2:17:57] them on but remember a lot of these

[2:17:59] signs like i said are going back to 1999

[2:18:02] and they're not in a condition that has

[2:18:05] the

[2:18:06] proper retro reflectivity to make sure

[2:18:08] that the signs are visible right as well

[2:18:11] so it's really an opportunity to

[2:18:14] um

[2:18:15] you know again i'm not wasting any metal

[2:18:17] i'm going to take that metal down and

[2:18:18] we're going to put a new face on it and

[2:18:20] put

[2:18:21] either another speed like a sign or some

[2:18:23] other sign that's uh

[2:18:25] 24 by 30 inches but the new numbers

[2:18:28] could be reflected

[2:18:29] if you just added the numbers right it's not the proper way to do it i will

[2:18:34] tell you that

[2:18:35] could it be done

[2:18:36] yeah but it's not the proper way to do

[2:18:38] it

[2:18:39] you want the science to be able to um

[2:18:41] be on there you know the signs are dirty

[2:18:44] up there you got to take them down and

[2:18:45] clean them it's it's not that easy to

[2:18:48] process to do that

[2:18:50] especially well i mean i think also um

[2:18:52] we spoke about the fact that if we were

[2:18:54] to make the um

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[2:18:58] well i mean there's less science needed

[2:19:00] if we're making this change throughout

[2:19:02] the city's um speed limit now some of

[2:19:04] the streets would still stay at the

[2:19:06] higher speed limit um that are not city

[2:19:09] there's there's stuff within the ledge i

[2:19:11] mean you can speak to this because

[2:19:12] there's a couple of streams in the city

[2:19:14] such as upper state street that has a

[2:19:16] 35 mile an hour speed limit and sections

[2:19:19] of erie boulevard that are state

[2:19:20] maintained that are 40 miles an hour but

[2:19:23] i mean the majority of the city if you

[2:19:25] do a city wide would be 25 miles an hour

[2:19:28] except for uh in front of the school

[2:19:31] hosted schools that are

[2:19:40] um although your comments are kind of

[2:19:44] it's not necessarily negative very

[2:19:45] realistic that just lowering the speed

[2:19:47] limit might not just fix this problem

[2:19:49] speeding in the city um but i wanted to

[2:19:51] take this opportunity to ask you have

[2:19:53] you noticed any benefits from the led

[2:19:55] stop signs

[2:19:56] increasing visibility and seeing if that

[2:19:58] actually has paid dividends and

[2:20:01] so that's a really uh good question i'm

[2:20:03] looking for the full year we got about

[2:20:06] six months in on them i've gotten

[2:20:08] extremely positive feedback from uh

[2:20:11] residents uh you know the intersections that we

[2:20:15] placed them you can see those signs uh

[2:20:17] um

[2:20:18] uh

[2:20:19] and then a a whole block or a block and

[2:20:22] a half away um had positive feedback

[2:20:25] from the police department as well i

[2:20:27] think that's a great opportunity but

[2:20:30] i think we need to be careful with them

[2:20:32] and make sure that where we place them

[2:20:34] is

[2:20:35] an intersection or location that needs

[2:20:38] an improvement right we don't um i get

[2:20:42] i'm already receiving requests from

[2:20:44] people that say oh you got one here i

[2:20:46] want one i want one what we you got to

[2:20:48] have a reason right you got either high

[2:20:50] accident volumes or um you know an engineering decision

[2:20:58] based on the geometry of the

[2:21:00] intersection that makes the stop sign

[2:21:01] difficult to see i believe that there

[2:21:03] needs to be um reasons to

[2:21:07] place them i think there's 17 1800 hours

[2:21:10] and not cheap

[2:21:11] not that money you know it's safety

[2:21:13] money it's safety without a doubt but um

[2:21:16] you know if if both things can do the

[2:21:18] same thing then you know why use the

[2:21:21] more expensive uh tool right you know

[2:21:23] why use a

[2:21:25] sledgehammer and a

[2:21:27] hammer holder right so yes i think that

[2:21:30] they work very well um so far but you

[2:21:33] know once the year is up we'll look at

[2:21:35] the accident history for that year and

[2:21:37] see uh we'll get some quantified data to

[2:21:40] be able to come back to you and say yeah

[2:21:42] this is this is a tool that we should um

[2:21:45] you know use on a more regular basis

[2:21:50] before assistant chief speaks i just

[2:21:52] want to say that and i'm going to have

[2:21:54] to read this because i won't be able to

[2:21:56] remember it all but just to speak to

[2:21:58] what you're saying in fact there is

[2:21:59] research that shows first of all if

[2:22:01] you're lowering the speed limit um

[2:22:04] let's say someone gets hit by a car if

[2:22:06] the car is going slower there's

[2:22:09] more of a chance that the person is

[2:22:11] going to live

[2:22:12] that gets hit so there's that piece but

[2:22:14] also there are

[2:22:16] from the insurance institute

[2:22:18] lowering the speed limit just by five

[2:22:20] miles per hour on city street streets

[2:22:22] does improve safety outcomes for

[2:22:25] motorists pedestrians and bicyclists by

[2:22:27] reducing the incidence of speeding the

[2:22:29] study focused on boston which in 2017

[2:22:32] lowered its default speed limit from 30

[2:22:34] to 25 miles per hour they found that

[2:22:37] after the city lowered its speed limit

[2:22:39] the estimated odds of a vehicle

[2:22:40] exceeding 35 miles per hour fell by 29.3

[2:22:45] the uh odds of a vehicle exceeding 30

[2:22:47] miles per hour fell by 8.5

[2:22:50] and by 2.9 percent of exceeding 25 miles

[2:22:53] per hour and the same thing um in the

[2:22:56] new york city in terms of the

[2:22:57] percentages

[2:22:59] of accidents um when they lowered from

[2:23:01] 30 to 25 miles per hour as well so there

[2:23:04] actually has been

[2:23:06] research

[2:23:07] that has shown i'm not

[2:23:09] suggesting at all that i think that this

[2:23:11] is going to eliminate the problem of

[2:23:12] speeding and god knows we need to still

[2:23:14] talk about fireworks and noise

[2:23:16] as another topic but i just wanted to

[2:23:20] bring it up as something

[2:23:22] in terms of perhaps it might help us

[2:23:25] get a handle on the speed of machine oh

[2:23:27] mccarthy

[2:23:29] yeah i think we've all gotten the phone

[2:23:31] calls i was feeding or witnessed it

[2:23:34] firsthand

[2:23:36] and

[2:23:37] you know some of it is a big education

[2:23:39] curve to get people to just be compliant

[2:23:43] but it's you know this topic uh

[2:23:46] the next one that the council president

[2:23:48] brought a couple times we've had

[2:23:51] just trouble making the decision where

[2:23:53] to put the one or two

[2:23:55] uh

[2:23:56] speed humps in place

[2:23:58] i mean probably the way to get the

[2:24:00] message out is doing this across the

[2:24:03] board so you're modifying the overall

[2:24:04] speed

[2:24:06] those flashing

[2:24:07] stop signs do have an impact whether

[2:24:10] it's just because they're new

[2:24:12] but

[2:24:13] i seem to

[2:24:15] my

[2:24:16] unofficial or non-scientific observation

[2:24:19] uh

[2:24:21] we seem to getting more compliant so

[2:24:23] if we can do

[2:24:25] the couple of speed humps you do the

[2:24:28] change in the speed

[2:24:29] we do another

[2:24:31] four or five intersections with the

[2:24:34] flashing uh

[2:24:36] lights

[2:24:37] that it

[2:24:38] becomes more of a city-wide message

[2:24:40] that's trying to be more encompassing

[2:24:43] that hopefully will get people's

[2:24:44] attention and

[2:24:46] again

[2:24:48] raise the level of compliance

[2:24:50] and simultaneously then you can do some

[2:24:52] enforcement when you do the enforcement

[2:24:54] you always push back over being overly

[2:24:57] aggressive nobody likes getting the

[2:24:58] ticket

[2:25:00] and it's how do you

[2:25:02] just educate people to

[2:25:04] play by the rules and we all benefit

[2:25:06] from that

[2:25:07] that's from me so two things first of

[2:25:10] all with the insurance companies

[2:25:12] uh given that

[2:25:14] if we do this they'll probably save lots

[2:25:16] of money we should approach them and try

[2:25:18] to get something from them

[2:25:20] um

[2:25:27] and secondly with the enforcement piece

[2:25:29] the technological component

[2:25:32] is an important piece in regards like

[2:25:35] speed cameras and things like that

[2:25:37] right now we're restricted to just

[2:25:39] around school

[2:25:41] if we get home rule for that

[2:25:44] um

[2:25:44] i don't believe we did

[2:25:47] so i think we should also

[2:25:49] make a resolution asking the state for

[2:25:52] an end to home rule and things like that

[2:25:54] so that we can

[2:25:57] do the things that we need in our

[2:25:58] community not just us but across the

[2:26:01] state

[2:26:02] and

[2:26:03] i would recommend we do a resolution

[2:26:05] asking mistake to do that

[2:26:08] just in follows that where the

[2:26:11] cameras around the school

[2:26:13] we are able today to

[2:26:17] i say we

[2:26:18] the global community you can put

[2:26:21] cameras on school buses that will fly

[2:26:27] i mean the license plate reader so when

[2:26:30] a car

[2:26:31] goes past the bus that is stopped the

[2:26:33] lights flashing uh and the fine on that

[2:26:36] is i think 250 dollars

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[2:26:39] i

[2:26:40] entitled having a conversation with

[2:26:42] school superintendent

[2:26:44] would require

[2:26:46] their

[2:26:46] participation uh some activity in the

[2:26:49] county but

[2:26:50] i think that would

[2:26:53] give us

[2:26:54] a higher level of

[2:26:56] compliance it's probably going to be in

[2:26:58] the short term where people are still

[2:27:00] violating you're going to get some

[2:27:01] revenue

[2:27:02] that might offset some of the costs

[2:27:05] where we're either doing the upgrades on

[2:27:07] the stop signs or

[2:27:09] put in more speed humps and

[2:27:11] get the

[2:27:13] again

[2:27:15] overall speed down across the city

[2:27:20] uh any other questions or comments

[2:27:23] sounds pretty

[2:27:24] i think

[2:27:27] oh

[2:27:34] plenty of time in advance to let people

[2:27:36] know to do public awareness campaigns

[2:27:39] what's going on you know and do a race

[2:27:42] period and possibly a time to let people

[2:27:44] know what we're doing and then again

[2:27:45] also just don't expect that they've

[2:27:47] changed overnight as far as compliance

[2:27:49] goes with everybody going slower in the

[2:27:51] city uh majority of you going slower in

[2:27:53] the city then i think that should help

[2:27:55] the masses

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[2:28:13] so

[2:28:14] thank you absolutely for your question

[2:28:16] so are you suggesting that we're

[2:28:18] just just for a discussion of our public

[2:28:20] hearing are we waiting for the building

[2:28:21] to sign well um i don't actually think

[2:28:23] that we need a public hearing on this

[2:28:26] issue so i know that we would have to

[2:28:29] obviously wait for the governor to sign

[2:28:30] this into actual

[2:28:33] law but i would like to actually move

[2:28:35] this out of our committee this evening

[2:28:38] with that understanding that if the

[2:28:39] governor

[2:28:40] or i should say when the governor i hope

[2:28:43] um

[2:28:44] would approve what the uh assembly and

[2:28:47] senate have already passed um that we

[2:28:50] would indeed lower our city's wide speed

[2:28:52] limit to 25 miles per hour so i would

[2:28:55] like to move that tonight you could move

[2:28:57] it out to send a resolution to the

[2:28:59] governor encouraging her to sign the

[2:29:01] legislation

[2:29:03] would that be a separate or the same

[2:29:05] thing you can do as many things as you

[2:29:07] want yeah

[2:29:11] it's working i i think that during the

[2:29:12] resolution the mayor says to encourage

[2:29:14] them and then passing arms once those

[2:29:16] assigned just

[2:29:17] i just like do things like in order

[2:29:19] that's just you know so that's that

[2:29:20] would be my suggestion and also um

[2:29:24] do we need to talk about the education

[2:29:26] considering i'm glad that ac group will

[2:29:27] brought that up because when we're

[2:29:29] changing policies in the city um i i'm

[2:29:31] not sure we always do the best job quite

[2:29:33] frankly of letting people know that this

[2:29:35] is changing so i appreciate you bringing

[2:29:37] that up and that we should just

[2:29:38] definitely um figure out an education

[2:29:40] campaign around that

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[2:29:44] so spectrum well so i had made emotions

[2:29:46] so i guess i would have to withdraw that

[2:29:47] motion if we were going or add a

[2:29:50] separate motion i don't actually just do

[2:29:52] it this way

[2:29:53] just a different motion

[2:29:55] because nobody seconded it okay so my

[2:29:57] first motion would be that we

[2:29:59] uh

[2:30:01] create a resolution

[2:30:03] but that we

[2:30:04] would encourage the governor to um sign

[2:30:08] off on the uh on the legislation

[2:30:12] i i have the specific numbers if you

[2:30:14] need that but

[2:30:15] yeah right yep it's to uh

[2:30:19] to

[2:30:21] approve the

[2:30:22] um

[2:30:24] the bills that were passed in the senate

[2:30:27] and the assembly to amend

[2:30:30] vehicle and traffic loss section 1643

[2:30:33] can reduce the um

[2:30:35] minimum speed limit to 25 miles per hour

[2:30:38] yeah the till the city expanding do you

[2:30:40] have the bill numbers it's uh senate

[2:30:41] bill number 2021

[2:30:44] i don't have the assembly number offhand

[2:30:46] okay i'm thinking let's look at that

[2:30:49] the last time i looked i don't believe

[2:30:50] they had transmitted that legislation to

[2:30:53] the governor so it's still just time to

[2:30:55] act down and they actually send it to

[2:30:57] the government the governor has

[2:31:12] to make the motion that once this is

[2:31:14] signed by the governor that the city of

[2:31:16] schenectady would lower its

[2:31:18] city's speed limit to 25 miles per hour

[2:31:21] um can i just go back to the council on

[2:31:24] council

[2:31:25] going in order i would just like to see

[2:31:27] this little sign before i mean you can

[2:31:29] do it immediately after

[2:31:30] so because

[2:31:33] i'm sure once the governor gets the

[2:31:35] resolution from the council she's going

[2:31:36] to say

[2:31:37] oh yeah yeah

[2:31:40] but i just feel like you know once you

[2:31:42] find that we would then pass that

[2:31:43] resolution that to me just makes sense

[2:31:46] in terms of that

[2:31:47] so

[2:31:48] i hear what you're saying um i just know

[2:31:50] that

[2:31:51] in speaking with mr cluccio for example

[2:31:53] um if we were able to well

[2:31:57] i mean we're going to have to be ready

[2:31:59] to go in terms of ordering signage in

[2:32:01] terms of

[2:32:03] seeing what the staffing level is going

[2:32:05] to be like thinking about the education

[2:32:08] um i think

[2:32:09] you know i think this is something that

[2:32:10] we've been talking about for over two

[2:32:12] years now um well i mean i've only been

[2:32:14] on council for two and a half years and

[2:32:16] we've been talking about it that whole

[2:32:18] time so i just don't want it to be

[2:32:19] something that lingers out there and

[2:32:21] that no action is taken by this council

[2:32:23] on something that i think that you know

[2:32:25] our residents have clearly communicated

[2:32:27] to us that they want they want something

[2:32:30] like this to happen so

[2:32:32] i i don't think that we linger out there

[2:32:34] i mean once she finds him with the

[2:32:36] immediate order signs because we know

[2:32:37] this is coming so i don't think it would

[2:32:39] be lingering out there um mr camuccio

[2:32:41] said how many months is going to get to

[2:32:42] do that

[2:32:43] since things have been so slow i'm

[2:32:45] guessing four months before i get it

[2:32:49] so i

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[2:33:04] if the city engineer signs this people

[2:33:06] and do they have to have the resolution

[2:33:08] doing it on their own is it a resolution

[2:33:10] advising the city engineer to set the

[2:33:12] speed limit

[2:33:15] that's a question for well i i don't

[2:33:17] know if i have the privilege of the

[2:33:18] floor to speak on that

[2:33:19] and

[2:33:21] it's full thank you

[2:33:22] um so right now uh section 248 11 of the

[2:33:26] city code um

[2:33:29] grants the city engineer the ability to

[2:33:31] among other things set the rules and

[2:33:32] regulations related to speed limits

[2:33:34] throughout the city

[2:33:36] that's something that the city council

[2:33:37] previously granted authority to the city

[2:33:39] engineer however the city council may

[2:33:42] modify or repeal those rules and

[2:33:45] regulations as set by the city engineer

[2:33:47] by resolution

[2:33:48] so the city

[2:33:49] council can act

[2:33:51] uh unitarily to

[2:33:53] change those rules

[2:33:55] um

[2:33:56] obviously through a resolution that

[2:33:58] would you know

[2:33:59] essentially have to be either approved

[2:34:00] by the mayor or if you know veto

[2:34:04] going through the process

[2:34:06] um that being said as a practical matter

[2:34:09] and i think mr caluccio brought that up

[2:34:11] brought this up there are certain

[2:34:13] streets in the city that you know are

[2:34:15] not 30 miles an hour they're 35 miles

[2:34:17] per hour on i think upper state street

[2:34:19] perhaps

[2:34:21] it's obviously uh something the city

[2:34:23] council should consider when

[2:34:25] um if they're going to take action to

[2:34:27] determine if it's going to be every

[2:34:29] single city street

[2:34:31] within our jurisdiction that's going to

[2:34:32] be set at 25 miles per hour

[2:34:35] and you know there may be traffic

[2:34:37] implications that the city council may

[2:34:40] want to think about

[2:34:42] i know i've talked to mr wallin briefly

[2:34:44] about it i haven't had an opportunity to

[2:34:45] speak to mr galluccio about it um

[2:34:48] but you know i think if you're going to

[2:34:50] pass a resolution at some point in time

[2:34:52] it's are you doing this with a broad

[2:34:54] stroke and everything's going to be 25

[2:34:55] and then within city streets that we

[2:34:57] have control over or is it going to be

[2:35:00] only certain streets

[2:35:02] you know absent you know you know maybe

[2:35:04] it's

[2:35:05] not upper state street that's currently

[2:35:07] 35 maybe we want to reduce that to 30

[2:35:10] miles per hour just things to consider

[2:35:12] rather than just painting with a broad

[2:35:15] stroke

[2:35:18] i think

[2:35:19] i might have misunderstood what i was

[2:35:20] learning which was that i thought that

[2:35:22] some of the streets that were at the

[2:35:24] higher speed limit we're not under our

[2:35:27] control

[2:35:28] um

[2:35:29] and that that's why

[2:35:31] those speed limits would remain in place

[2:35:34] yeah if i if i may that that would only

[2:35:36] be the erie bullhorn piece that's

[2:35:48] allows the city to

[2:35:50] make an individual street 25 miles an

[2:35:53] hour

[2:35:54] just not

[2:35:56] the city

[2:35:57] in totality

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[2:36:05] i would also like us to consider a

[2:36:07] resolution

[2:36:08] to the state

[2:36:09] getting rid of the whole

[2:36:12] designation it's an antiquated

[2:36:15] ruling that the state has

[2:36:17] and it allows local communities to

[2:36:21] operate in a way they see fit

[2:36:26] i'm not on the committee so

[2:36:35] case um point uh console road back in

[2:36:38] 85 or around there that was changed to

[2:36:41] 25 miles on that

[2:36:43] so that that's the only street in the

[2:36:44] city that i can think of that is 25

[2:36:48] miles an hour

[2:36:54] there's a stop sign on like every almost

[2:36:56] every other corner on console road you

[2:36:58] have to stop multiple times

[2:37:02] what's that 1895.

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[2:37:08] well i don't think i have a second on

[2:37:09] the motion that i made

[2:37:11] did you finish it all right um yeah but

[2:37:13] i didn't sounds like

[2:37:15] discussion

[2:37:26] actually um

[2:37:28] you know saying what the speed limit

[2:37:29] would be i think it warrants i'm sorry if i if i

[2:37:33] misspoke and i'm sorry to just interrupt

[2:37:35] you um

[2:37:36] right now the city engineer has the

[2:37:38] authority to set what the speed limit is

[2:37:40] in the city however the council can

[2:37:42] still act to

[2:37:44] modify whatever the speed limit is in

[2:37:46] the city

[2:37:49] by resolution

[2:37:50] so if the city engineer said well i'm

[2:37:52] gonna the law is changing right the law

[2:37:55] changes city engineer can uniformly set

[2:37:57] and uniformly say it's going to be 20

[2:38:00] mile 25 miles per hour on those city

[2:38:02] streets city council can certainly

[2:38:04] hypothetically act on its own

[2:38:06] to modify

[2:38:08] that rule of the city engineer

[2:38:12] to say no it's not going to be 25 it's

[2:38:13] going to we're going to keep it at 30.

[2:38:15] that's obviously uh you know this is a

[2:38:17] hypothetical but

[2:38:19] whereas the city engineer has the power

[2:38:21] to do it so does the city council

[2:38:24] so it said based on that determination

[2:38:26] absolutely if someone has another

[2:38:27] comment just

[2:38:28] indicate that i would say if the city

[2:38:30] engineers are already able to function

[2:38:32] absent our resolution which could be

[2:38:35] made out of order i think it's important

[2:38:37] for us to remain in line with presidents

[2:38:39] especially that's not going to

[2:38:42] negatively affect the timeline for them

[2:38:43] accomplishing this which it sounds like

[2:38:45] they will already have an authority to

[2:38:47] institute this once governor vocal

[2:38:48] science

[2:38:52] that means in other words let me try to

[2:38:55] i'm a little confused here so what

[2:38:57] you're saying is rather than us saying

[2:38:59] let's lower the speed limit to 25 we'd

[2:39:02] be hoping that the city engineer would

[2:39:05] lower the speed limit to 25. no i'm

[2:39:07] saying that once governor uncle signs it

[2:39:10] rather than putting forth a resolution

[2:39:12] before she signs it remaining in

[2:39:14] precedence with how things normally

[2:39:15] outline especially that's not going to

[2:39:17] negatively implicate

[2:39:19] them getting this started before

[2:39:21] speaking again

[2:39:25] so i'll say if we're going to put forth

[2:39:26] he's just saying wait until it's passed

[2:39:28] no i know i i guess i think that that's

[2:39:30] what

[2:39:31] i'm hearing from both ms porterfield and

[2:39:35] it sounds like we could ask the city

[2:39:36] engineer to do that i mean

[2:39:39] does he i'm gonna i can't wait to read

[2:39:41] this uh

[2:39:43] this ordinance because based on what you

[2:39:45] said that he could just do that i mean

[2:39:46] what is it yes he could just do that

[2:39:48] okay

[2:39:49] i'm getting a guess even if the

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[2:39:59] i

[2:39:59] haven't read the full legislation what

[2:40:02] does it say this will take effect

[2:40:04] immediately it'll take effect december

[2:40:06] 31st

[2:40:08] then the draft is immediately okay

[2:40:11] immediately i think it's section four of

[2:40:13] the yeah

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[2:40:29] and i kind of think he would

[2:40:34] and then in terms of your motion i think

[2:40:36] i have to say that it seems like that is

[2:40:38] more like government operations but um i

[2:40:42] don't you know because that's a general

[2:40:44] i think what you're suggesting goes

[2:40:45] beyond public safety

[2:40:47] into

[2:40:48] more general operations

[2:40:51] i mean it doesn't matter i mean it's a

[2:40:53] resolution to the governor

[2:40:55] and and to our assemblies they uh state

[2:40:58] assembly and senators i mean it goes

[2:41:00] across a variety of things but

[2:41:03] it's an antiquated

[2:41:06] law that the state has and it's about

[2:41:08] time that we have

[2:41:10] as local

[2:41:12] municipalities the ability to do what we

[2:41:15] see fit

[2:41:17] so i still think we should move forward

[2:41:20] with that

[2:41:22] i agree that we should however i think

[2:41:24] that we should make sure all the

[2:41:25] information is here that we you know

[2:41:26] have in our packets review etc

[2:41:28] and read on it and then meet up on it so

[2:41:30] if you could bring that

[2:41:32] i would suggest in two weeks because i

[2:41:33] don't disagree

[2:41:34] that we should do that i don't know what

[2:41:37] you need other because it's basically

[2:41:39] saying we want to enter home rule

[2:41:41] legislation

[2:41:43] um so if you tell me what you want

[2:41:47] so so what's the word what it currently

[2:41:48] says and what you want the resolution to

[2:41:50] say i'd like to see that in writing

[2:41:52] that's just

[2:41:53] who i am

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[2:42:02] are there any other comments or topics

[2:42:04] to befall the public safety committee

[2:42:14] all right paul guys thank you uh so

[2:42:16] we're going to move to the next agenda

[2:42:18] item which is going to be discussion for

[2:42:19] installing speed humps and i'll be

[2:42:21] pleased to buy one

[2:42:23] so i won't spend a long time because we

[2:42:24] just spent a long time and i think the

[2:42:26] mayor also mentioned sweet homes and

[2:42:28] this is something that we decided well

[2:42:29] over two years ago that we were going to

[2:42:31] do my understanding is that they were

[2:42:32] ordered um i'm not sure where we are

[2:42:35] with that and um mr caluccio had spoken

[2:42:38] to like you need to know where the um

[2:42:42] where they were best needed by doing

[2:42:43] traffic studies and all that um

[2:42:46] i definitely know that you know we need

[2:42:48] to do something because the cars are

[2:42:50] just flying down the street like i mean

[2:42:52] it's not even 35 it's not even 40 some

[2:42:54] of them wait how fast they're going so

[2:42:56] um and i think we talked about more than

[2:42:58] two so we can go back and look i don't

[2:43:01] remember the number

[2:43:02] um that we looked at but we definitely

[2:43:04] um

[2:43:05] said that was something i'm going to do

[2:43:07] several years ago so i think we should

[2:43:09] definitely revisit it now and as we're

[2:43:11] doing all of this to incorporate that

[2:43:15] uh comments

[2:43:17] mr well do you remember

[2:43:20] how many or how long well

[2:43:34] and i've been um with

[2:43:38] assistant chief whipple and john

[2:43:40] during this we were working on in 2021

[2:43:42] it did fall off kind of our radar so to

[2:43:45] speak uh some other things that were

[2:43:46] coming up

[2:43:48] you know one of the things that

[2:43:50] you know i just want to impart on you

[2:43:52] it's not to sound

[2:43:53] arrogant or condescending in any way is

[2:43:56] just that these are traffic control

[2:43:59] devices there's an entire manual on

[2:44:02] traffic control devices from your stop

[2:44:04] sign to your mile marker to yield signs

[2:44:07] these are regulated state traffic

[2:44:09] control devices so

[2:44:11] it's sometimes a little hard because

[2:44:13] around the table i feel like they're

[2:44:14] more

[2:44:16] seen as objects

[2:44:17] you know objects to be put where we

[2:44:19] think they would be effective but you

[2:44:21] know it's they're similar to where the

[2:44:23] city engineer is the one who assigns

[2:44:25] speed limits i did not write that that

[2:44:27] was written historically the reason for

[2:44:29] it was that the city engineer sat up

[2:44:31] there at the time of 50 staff members

[2:44:33] and they worked they did all the

[2:44:34] analysis of the city and they assigned

[2:44:36] speeds

[2:44:38] you know we had 45.

[2:44:40] yeah well you know now we have

[2:44:43] less than fours

[2:44:48] so that's where like i i think that if

[2:44:50] we're going to go to 25 it is nice to

[2:44:52] say but like i'd like to talk with the

[2:44:54] cdta they have bus routes that use state

[2:44:57] street those buses ghosts 35 they go 40

[2:45:00] on erie they use the i just like to make

[2:45:02] sure that everybody's aware because we

[2:45:03] have you know we have main lines and

[2:45:05] then we have secondary streets you know

[2:45:08] and i i don't want to like we were

[2:45:10] talking about paint with this broad

[2:45:11] brush out there of you know we wait once

[2:45:13] 25. you know because i see the hungers

[2:45:16] are here i'm sure they're here because

[2:45:17] they want the stockade to be 25. they

[2:45:19] probably want the stockade to be 50. the

[2:45:21] whole city oh the whole city

[2:45:26] but you know and statistics can be

[2:45:28] misleading because if you go from 30 to

[2:45:30] 25 yes accidents go down where did 25

[2:45:33] come from if you go to 20 it goes down

[2:45:35] even more if you go to 15 i can walk

[2:45:37] away

[2:45:38] so like where did the number 25 get

[2:45:40] really pulled from it

[2:45:42] because it's a number

[2:45:43] so i'd like i would like to look at it

[2:45:45] more and that's where i've kind of going

[2:45:46] with speed humps is that uh ac whipple

[2:45:49] is doing a great job and he actually

[2:45:50] found this speed hump procedure from the

[2:45:52] city of rochester and this is saying

[2:45:55] that you know if you would like to speed

[2:45:57] hump in rochester you have to make a

[2:45:58] letter of request it has to be evaluated

[2:46:01] by engineering classification features

[2:46:03] they do a traffic study

[2:46:05] then they have considerations of you

[2:46:06] know where is it is it by school is it

[2:46:08] right here and then they need a petition

[2:46:10] from the residence of 75 percent because

[2:46:13] one of the things i did not think about

[2:46:14] but mr crucio and i were talking about

[2:46:16] is we have had things like this in the

[2:46:18] past and residents don't like the noise

[2:46:20] they make sometimes when they go over it

[2:46:22] because it's inaudible to do

[2:46:24] and it's fine when you're at work but

[2:46:26] when you're trying to go to sleep some

[2:46:27] people say oh my god this thing out here

[2:46:29] you know and everybody wants it you know

[2:46:31] not in my backyard put it down the way

[2:46:33] you know so

[2:46:35] we kind of came up with all this and we

[2:46:36] talked about it and buying them is easy

[2:46:39] i can spend 20 000 tomorrow with anthony

[2:46:42] we could get you know we can get them

[2:46:43] here and if we need more

[2:46:45] we'll buy more but then the process of

[2:46:47] where

[2:46:48] i don't want to use that like we have to

[2:46:50] find i know that actually you were

[2:46:52] looking into some areas today based off

[2:46:54] of their information

[2:46:56] and i mean you had a couple yeah and i

[2:46:58] don't know

[2:46:59] with it

[2:47:03] and there might not be locations that

[2:47:04] you're thinking of they might just i'm

[2:47:05] not patient

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[2:47:12] like i want you to be seen not that

[2:47:15] short

[2:47:20] one of the things with the rochester

[2:47:24] application if you will talks about you

[2:47:27] know where to put them and looking at

[2:47:29] engineering specifics concerning it very

[2:47:32] important piece in there it talks about

[2:47:35] um

[2:47:36] parallel roads and not putting them on

[2:47:39] parallel roads which is something that

[2:47:42] i'm sure we would automatically do

[2:47:44] because of the configuration of the city

[2:47:46] but they don't want you to move the

[2:47:48] traffic from one street to another

[2:47:51] that's what we hear all the time about

[2:47:53] doing things on one street say you want

[2:47:56] to talk about we mentioned console road

[2:47:58] so let's talk about the streets between

[2:48:00] um console and state street right

[2:48:05] you put them on parallel streets and you do this on one street and it pushes

[2:48:10] all the traffic to the other so we want

[2:48:12] to make sure we don't do something to

[2:48:15] um cause more of a problem on adjacent

[2:48:18] street than the street that we

[2:48:20] yeah and another good one here johnny

[2:48:23] touched down though was that the street

[2:48:24] they have under the street might must

[2:48:26] not be a primary

[2:48:31] emergency vehicles are going to utilize

[2:48:32] it right primarily fire trucks but they

[2:48:34] don't want them on that they're off they

[2:48:36] also haven't heard that they want a

[2:48:37] primarily residential street not a

[2:48:39] commercial street so those are all the

[2:48:40] things that

[2:48:41] and that i guess if we have that

[2:48:43] guidance if we follow this which is

[2:48:45] already a really great procedure we

[2:48:46] start looking and that's what you know

[2:48:48] that you started looking at it's kind of

[2:48:50] in the guise of that where they could go

[2:48:51] yeah that would be so far away from uh

[2:48:54] returns can't be over seven percent

[2:48:56] grade they can't be so close to a stop

[2:48:57] sign there's a lot of things that go

[2:48:59] into it

[2:49:01] just looking at it quick without

[2:49:02] all those things in fact a solution to

[2:49:04] traffic was noble by diamonds eastern

[2:49:06] parkway by elmer

[2:49:08] dwayne by martin luther king

[2:49:12] state doesn't work uh mainstream

[2:49:14] education drive there's different

[2:49:16] ones that are we're getting regular

[2:49:18] complaints on so those are right

[2:49:21] in

[2:49:22] you have to look at the need to put

[2:49:24] multiple on a street as opposed to just

[2:49:27] one because

[2:49:29] we believe that you're going to see the

[2:49:31] traffic speed up right after they go

[2:49:33] over that to make up the

[2:49:35] loss of time so yeah you know if we're

[2:49:38] going to do this i think you got to

[2:49:39] consider a couple of them in any area to

[2:49:42] really make an impact okay

[2:49:44] thank you

[2:49:46] so do you recommend

[2:49:47] doing the speed helps or not doing this

[2:49:50] i think it is

[2:49:52] i think it's worthwhile that we can try

[2:49:55] i'm just i guess the thing is is that

[2:49:57] what we're talking about is

[2:49:59] it was a bigger it was a bigger

[2:50:01] conversation internally than just buy

[2:50:04] them and put them down and when the

[2:50:05] conversation got that big i think

[2:50:07] everybody wasn't

[2:50:09] you know right there prepared to make

[2:50:10] all these decisions so it kind of got

[2:50:14] set there you know like that and i i'm

[2:50:16] glad that you you know you're bringing

[2:50:17] it back up it's not that it's just you

[2:50:19] know this is just this is another

[2:50:21] initiative and what i don't want to do

[2:50:23] just putting them down it's going to

[2:50:24] have a season one of the things that i

[2:50:26] was talking about with john and uh we

[2:50:28] remember

[2:50:29] kelly bonnett was uh you know are we

[2:50:31] doing any data collection pre-post and

[2:50:33] then how that's going to work you know

[2:50:35] we're putting up a

[2:50:36] speed camera that has the flashing to

[2:50:38] say okay everybody was going 42 and then

[2:50:40] we put this down and it didn't go down

[2:50:43] but then you know on top of that you

[2:50:45] know when talking with kristen and

[2:50:47] development and some other people from

[2:50:48] the engineering side and it actually was

[2:50:50] in the paper i believe with tom carey is

[2:50:53] that there's a whole other aspect of you

[2:50:56] know complete streets and trying to make

[2:50:57] a street feel narrower and trying to do

[2:50:59] it naturally

[2:51:02] instead of artificial

[2:51:04] and you know that's something that's

[2:51:06] another thing that you know we're really

[2:51:08] not quite there yet one of the things i

[2:51:10] didn't say what we're doing is um on

[2:51:12] console we're going to be putting in i

[2:51:13] call them blaze sticks i don't know what

[2:51:15] the post reflectors we're going to be

[2:51:18] trying those which is you know you're

[2:51:20] used to a very bright stop sign and the

[2:51:22] new thing is you put on a reflector on

[2:51:24] the post

[2:51:25] and when you see that when you drive

[2:51:27] console after those are in they're going

[2:51:29] to get your attention and they are a

[2:51:31] fraction of the cause

[2:51:33] yeah but we were just trying to because

[2:51:35] we talked about it you know those signs

[2:51:37] are expensive how can we do things you

[2:51:38] know i know that we wanted to do trees

[2:51:40] maybe some places uh we have that study

[2:51:42] going on but i mean this can be

[2:51:44] something but i guess my my issue is

[2:51:46] that if we find

[2:51:48] that the speed pump worked

[2:51:51] then is the next step that we're going

[2:51:54] permanent

[2:51:55] you know is is that it or is this a

[2:51:57] temper you know because we don't have

[2:51:59] permanent permanent speed humps in the

[2:52:01] northeast and even

[2:52:02] you don't see a lot of them there are

[2:52:03] locations i know of in the area county

[2:52:06] specifically but you know then you get

[2:52:08] to that next level so what is the objective we're trying to

[2:52:12] achieve and is this the right tool to do

[2:52:14] it and it takes a lot of thought and i

[2:52:17] guess we haven't had a lot of time to

[2:52:18] put all that thought into it so which is

[2:52:20] why it got

[2:52:21] kind of but we have the list we did put

[2:52:23] a lot more effort into it since you

[2:52:25] you've asked about us to pick this up um

[2:52:27] i think that rochester's done a lot of

[2:52:29] great work to kind of just give us a

[2:52:31] template

[2:52:32] um so i think we think we could probably

[2:52:34] sit down and come up with some areas and

[2:52:36] get some things ordered and we can try

[2:52:39] it's just that

[2:52:40] i just want to make sure that we're

[2:52:41] always using these things as tools and

[2:52:43] we know what we're trying to get out of

[2:52:44] the tools so with that the as just the

[2:52:46] rough number from last year the price

[2:52:48] was around five thousand dollars for for

[2:52:51] one

[2:52:51] um from one we get four and then we didn't factor in the

[2:52:56] cost for the signage around it and for

[2:52:59] the bureau to put them install them and

[2:53:01] remove them in storage so and then when

[2:53:03] you go to order them we have to know

[2:53:05] where they're going first because each

[2:53:06] one is printed with different arrows and

[2:53:08] different um emblems so

[2:53:11] first would be to determine where

[2:53:13] they're going and then we order them and

[2:53:15] then we actually have to talk to the

[2:53:16] guru about insulation and storage

[2:53:21] and the other thing you guys briefly

[2:53:23] touched on but it comes up a lot in my

[2:53:25] circles of conversations is they call it

[2:53:27] the three e's

[2:53:28] and it's education enforcement and

[2:53:30] engineering

[2:53:32] and you know education is hard because

[2:53:34] you're putting that on the person

[2:53:36] and enforcement is difficult because

[2:53:38] you're putting it on the police and the

[2:53:40] police are you know already time

[2:53:42] strapped so then naturally everybody

[2:53:44] goes to engineering

[2:53:46] you know and sometimes though you cannot

[2:53:48] engineer things you know there has to be

[2:53:50] you have to use the enforcement you have

[2:53:52] to use the education you cannot engineer

[2:53:55] someone on their phone you cannot

[2:53:56] engineer speeding necessarily all the

[2:53:58] time

[2:53:59] so i think we really if we can go this

[2:54:01] route but i think those other two e's we

[2:54:03] always say we really have to to work

[2:54:07] so can we like come back

[2:54:10] uh in

[2:54:11] the next session or two with a location

[2:54:13] or a plan when we have something or how

[2:54:16] we will we will pick it up i just don't

[2:54:19] know what yeah that's i would like to

[2:54:21] see does anybody have any preferences

[2:54:23] that's true

[2:54:24] so i think like the mayor suggested

[2:54:26] earlier it'll be a big plan with the

[2:54:29] speed limit and the new signs and uh

[2:54:32] maybe a few more um

[2:54:34] lit stop signs and maybe

[2:54:37] you know

[2:54:37] that all entailed in the one yeah

[2:54:43] i would like to know whether by the time

[2:54:44] i'm 70 years old instead of 63 we might

[2:54:48] be able to actually do something in the

[2:54:49] city of schenectady around reducing the

[2:54:52] speed infractions um because i think

[2:54:54] that's the issue that i'm feeling i mean

[2:54:57] this has been how many years we've been

[2:54:58] talking about the speed bumps

[2:55:01] and you know

[2:55:03] i don't know it's very frustrating um

[2:55:06] because i think i hear what you're

[2:55:08] saying

[2:55:09] but um you know i think we have to start

[2:55:12] to take some action somehow

[2:55:15] chris where is the

[2:55:17] process for

[2:55:18] uh redoing

[2:55:20] uh brandywine avenue from state to 890

[2:55:23] that we've rejected that yep it's out to

[2:55:25] bid right now so back out to bit that

[2:55:29] still is the highest incident area for

[2:55:32] auto pedestrian events uh

[2:55:35] just outright traffic accidents

[2:55:37] so it's unfortunate the numbers came in

[2:55:40] high

[2:55:41] we're going to have to do something

[2:55:42] there if

[2:55:45] the president if the bids come in high

[2:55:47] again

[2:55:48] who

[2:55:51] they come back to the council look to

[2:55:52] put some more money on the table so that

[2:55:55] we could get that uh done the series of

[2:55:59] intersections there because that is

[2:56:01] going to pay off uh just our overall

[2:56:05] number of events

[2:56:07] i agree with that that is our

[2:56:09] two busiest blocks

[2:56:11] including downtown brandywine those two blocks are significant

[2:56:15] um

[2:56:17] oh another thing i was going to say even

[2:56:19] john we talked about it how many years

[2:56:21] ago was it five years those little

[2:56:23] yellow signs those notification signs

[2:56:25] you know those are something that came

[2:56:27] out that state yes

[2:56:29] you know i would love to see those

[2:56:30] affected if you put them on randolph and

[2:56:32] we put them on rose and these little you

[2:56:34] know like they say cross traffic doesn't

[2:56:36] stop this you know and those those are

[2:56:38] the things that you know i think if we

[2:56:41] always tally i mean there has been

[2:56:42] improvements made but these are the

[2:56:44] these are necks i just i'd like to know

[2:56:46] before we put them down i guess we'll

[2:56:47] have to work internally

[2:56:49] then what is it a permanent are we going

[2:56:51] to start seeing these and then we pick

[2:56:53] them up in the wintertime or do we make

[2:56:55] them permanent i just and i always look

[2:56:57] around because i've driven a lot of

[2:56:58] municipalities you just don't see

[2:57:01] speed bumps in a lot of municipalities

[2:57:05] in that kind of way to address the issue

[2:57:08] so

[2:57:09] but it's not to say that we can't set a

[2:57:10] trend

[2:57:12] so can i be clear so mayor are you

[2:57:14] saying to put those on brandywine

[2:57:16] because i thought brandon wine was a

[2:57:17] primary student no no no no all right

[2:57:19] just want to be clear

[2:57:24] that

[2:57:25] two blocks or a little over two blocks

[2:57:27] and some of the adjacent streets

[2:57:30] uh and just unfortunately the bid

[2:57:32] came back in high so chris has gone back

[2:57:35] out but that'll be a rebuilding of those

[2:57:39] in two blocks

[2:57:41] with again some of the traffic control

[2:57:43] devices

[2:57:46] well um

[2:57:47] to uh to miss patrick's point i'd like

[2:57:49] to see us do something as well we

[2:57:50] haven't been kicking this around for a

[2:57:51] very long time so i would like to

[2:57:54] see something in a couple of see if we

[2:57:56] could just

[2:57:57] get this ball rolling sure

[2:57:59] not a problem but not we don't want the

[2:58:01] ball rolling too fast

[2:58:06] i mean i think we also need to recommend

[2:58:08] does we need a recommendation about

[2:58:09] whether in fact that is the smartest

[2:58:11] thing the speedoms might not be the

[2:58:13] solution so so um

[2:58:16] you know i guess when you come back

[2:58:19] with that as well yeah you know we're

[2:58:21] talking about configurations and making

[2:58:22] sure they don't block drainage you're

[2:58:24] not leaving gaps you know how if you go

[2:58:25] to a parking lot and you see that gap in

[2:58:27] the middle really shoots the gaps

[2:58:30] you know we were talking about that you

[2:58:31] know because the thought was okay can we

[2:58:33] leave a gap for a fire truck it's like

[2:58:35] leave the gap for a fire truck yeah

[2:58:37] so there is some discussion and i guess

[2:58:40] that we have a good template here city

[2:58:41] of rochester clearly is putting them in

[2:58:44] maybe i have to do a tour out to

[2:58:45] rochester and meet with them and see

[2:58:47] maybe

[2:58:50] but yeah i can give you something what i

[2:58:52] can do is do is take a map highlight

[2:58:54] arrow the streets that kind of what

[2:58:55] we're saying don't meet the criteria the

[2:58:56] right way and then what areas would meet

[2:58:58] the criteria based off of the

[2:59:00] information that you're still collecting

[2:59:01] and we'll show some other areas and in

[2:59:03] the meantime uh

[2:59:05] aca whipple and and anthony we can order

[2:59:08] you know i mean they're set with we can

[2:59:10] get them there this section and at least

[2:59:12] get them here because i don't know what

[2:59:13] the lead time on something that would be

[2:59:14] but make sure we get it because

[2:59:16] similarly to the signs even though we're

[2:59:18] going to say if the governor makes it 25

[2:59:20] tomorrow it's going to take john four

[2:59:22] months to get the signs here and we

[2:59:24] can't do both i think that would

[2:59:27] more be

[2:59:29] okay well then i will come back in two

[2:59:31] weeks with more of a plan

[2:59:35] uh any other items that fall public

[2:59:37] safety

[2:59:38] just making sure this time

[2:59:48] thank you um i'd like to call the order

[2:59:51] uh to the development planning and mr

[2:59:54] if you don't mind i wanted to move up um

[2:59:56] one of the items on the agenda that was

[2:59:58] people who have been sitting quite some

[2:59:59] time

[3:00:00] so i wanted to move item number five to

[3:00:02] the top of your line

[3:00:05] okay

[3:00:05] all right

[3:00:06] so we're gonna do um item number five

[3:00:08] first amendment to the cdbg contract of

[3:00:10] nurturing craigslist mystia

[3:00:17] good evening everyone um so this is just

[3:00:21] bringing back the request

[3:00:23] proposed two weeks ago maricopa credit

[3:00:25] street

[3:00:26] former carver center we have

[3:00:29] the balance of 103 685 that we're

[3:00:33] looking to

[3:00:34] extend the period of performance

[3:00:37] miracle crack street until december 31st

[3:00:39] of this year and then the scope of work

[3:00:41] for the remaining unexpected balance

[3:00:44] um there was some questions for certain

[3:00:47] materials that were provided

[3:00:49] to the council and i believe the council

[3:00:51] has recommendations as well

[3:00:53] uh based on this so that's why we're

[3:00:55] here

[3:00:56] we do have uh

[3:00:58] ray's this

[3:00:59] sheila rivera here as well if there's

[3:01:01] questions

[3:01:03] so the last time this came before the

[3:01:05] council there was an item in there that

[3:01:06] was asking for a consultant there was a

[3:01:08] lot of discussion around that and

[3:01:10] frankly not the support for it

[3:01:12] there was the impression that the um

[3:01:16] that

[3:01:18] the duties that were written into that

[3:01:20] particular one were things that were

[3:01:21] being covered by cap

[3:01:23] and so um the budget has been meant to

[3:01:26] include

[3:01:27] um

[3:01:28] just all services under tap as they have

[3:01:30] put forward

[3:01:31] and

[3:01:32] not nothing um elsa well there has been

[3:01:35] a change in terms of um

[3:01:38] there was a rainy like 20

[3:01:40] 2000 something um

[3:01:42] which is put into the summer landscaping

[3:01:45] so this is all the ring funds that out

[3:01:47] of the 150 i believe was the starting

[3:01:50] the remaining funds that mayor khan

[3:01:52] texas has right this is the remaining

[3:01:54] yes that's what's remaining

[3:01:59] other questions

[3:02:14] this weekend and definitely the work

[3:02:16] that they've made over the last few

[3:02:17] months has uh

[3:02:20] it deserves some faults so definitely

[3:02:23] things well deserved

[3:02:24] i think at this point i'm excited as a

[3:02:26] new consumer to see this project

[3:02:28] continuing forward although it wasn't

[3:02:30] conducted in the manner that he intended

[3:02:33] still i think seeing this project move

[3:02:36] forward for the benefit of that specific

[3:02:38] area but also for the city as a whole i

[3:02:40] think is what we need to keep our focus

[3:02:42] on um so i just want to make sure it

[3:02:44] does

[3:02:45] thanks for stopping by i appreciate that

[3:02:48] did you have questions anyway no

[3:02:50] questions

[3:02:51] so

[3:02:52] did you let's have a second one to me

[3:02:54] because

[3:02:55] uh no i just wanted to

[3:02:57] come up here because he wanted to make a

[3:02:59] statement if you guys don't have any

[3:03:00] questions um

[3:03:02] you know uh you guys requested more

[3:03:04] information we provided it and i hope

[3:03:06] that it's you know pretty clear on

[3:03:09] um

[3:03:11] you know this position is important i

[3:03:13] know that

[3:03:14] all the other line items were pretty

[3:03:15] clear you guys seemed fine with it

[3:03:17] except for the

[3:03:19] uh site and manager position and uh like

[3:03:22] i said we provide more information

[3:03:24] as requested and

[3:03:26] yeah just looking forward to more

[3:03:28] support on this

[3:03:31] so you have the budget before you so uh

[3:03:36] so this is just to extend what we're

[3:03:37] doing and now it's 103 000.

[3:03:40] this is the only thing this is the this

[3:03:42] is the final the final thing is that it

[3:03:44] seems like what the council

[3:03:47] is proposing or the cpd committee is

[3:03:50] to from what marian said is to fund the

[3:03:52] full tax proposal but not the board

[3:03:54] consultant which was previously right

[3:03:56] that's i just want to purpose

[3:03:59] yep so i have no question

[3:04:02] so moved

[3:04:03] second i was in favor

[3:04:09] thank you

[3:04:10] all right so um

[3:04:13] so the first time on the agenda the

[3:04:15] discussion of the city's annual mf4

[3:04:17] report for salon

[3:04:24] hello okay

[3:04:25] so

[3:04:27] for law every year we are required

[3:04:30] by the state to put together our annual

[3:04:32] ms4 report which is for

[3:04:35] stormwater uh in the city of schenectady

[3:04:39] the city no longer has a storm water

[3:04:41] officer that position

[3:04:43] is open so we have been contracting with

[3:04:46] ct mail

[3:04:47] a local engineering firm

[3:04:49] who specializes in things like this

[3:04:51] they help us assist with this document

[3:04:55] so what we do is we just talk about how

[3:04:57] we are making people wear

[3:04:59] storm water and how storm water affects

[3:05:01] the rivers and um kind of inspecting it

[3:05:06] once a year we have to go inspect make

[3:05:07] sure on a dry day that there's no runoff

[3:05:10] or ethanol everyone's coming out of the

[3:05:12] pipes

[3:05:13] the big thing of note this year is

[3:05:16] what we did was uh i wanted to find a

[3:05:18] page for you i apologize but what we had

[3:05:21] was we had a thorough review done of all

[3:05:23] of our outfalls and after that review

[3:05:25] what we found was that we were double

[3:05:28] counting a lot of outfalls in a way that

[3:05:31] we were able to reduce

[3:05:33] and so that was a a nice benefit to what

[3:05:37] we were able to do i'm just looking for

[3:05:39] a page that i don't have right in front

[3:05:40] of me so what it is is that if you're

[3:05:42] familiar with so uh

[3:05:44] college creed oh here it is uh out falls

[3:05:46] map 29 so three on the third page

[3:05:50] so

[3:05:50] what we were doing is we were counting

[3:05:52] every overt originally in college creek

[3:05:56] and essentially it's actually one so you

[3:05:59] would come out you have one out under

[3:06:01] the uh i believe it's west alley where

[3:06:03] it enters the stock uh to the gt plot

[3:06:06] that is an outflow as it goes under avon

[3:06:09] as it goes under the road those are not

[3:06:10] alcohols those are cold

[3:06:12] so that originally was mapped not by

[3:06:14] myself but by predecessor as an outfall

[3:06:17] so we eliminated those so we were able

[3:06:18] to go from 54 to 29 and the 29 allows us

[3:06:23] now to just be more efficient most of

[3:06:25] these are along the river we have you

[3:06:26] know several along the river the biggest

[3:06:28] being college creek um and we go down

[3:06:31] and we'll be able to inspect those um so

[3:06:33] you use the facebook page uh just right

[3:06:36] there for 29. so you see this year we

[3:06:39] number of approximate about falls map we

[3:06:41] mapped all of them this year because

[3:06:42] this was our first year doing it

[3:06:44] um

[3:06:45] so

[3:06:47] yeah right one more

[3:06:52] yeah yeah exactly oh right there i'm

[3:06:54] sorry it's on the back the 29 right

[3:06:55] there so it's on the back page so that is one thing one area i will uh

[3:07:00] admit that we need to improve and as

[3:07:03] with full disclosure is ct mail is going

[3:07:05] to do some training for us

[3:07:07] part of the requirement is that our ogs

[3:07:10] staff receive some training about how to

[3:07:12] spot illicit discharges just to be aware

[3:07:14] of things like that um i mean we were

[3:07:17] doing them and then up to cover we kind

[3:07:19] of stopped any kind of in-person

[3:07:20] training virtual training for our guys

[3:07:22] is very difficult because you know it's

[3:07:24] a it's more of a garage in the classroom

[3:07:27] but now that everything has calmed down

[3:07:29] we are looking to have ct mail go out

[3:07:30] and do some focus training for our water

[3:07:33] and sewer departments even possibly our

[3:07:35] garbage departments because as we were

[3:07:36] talking about previously uh you know

[3:07:38] they're out they're out and about and to

[3:07:40] be able to spot things

[3:07:42] all right um so that's what we really

[3:07:44] want to do is make sure people are able

[3:07:46] to to spot things because they are the

[3:07:48] kind of the eyes on the street i am more

[3:07:50] or less always in city hall so what

[3:07:52] we're going to do is um you know if you

[3:07:54] have any questions you can ask it's a pretty generic

[3:07:58] boring report but we do take it uh we

[3:08:01] put it out and the public can see it

[3:08:02] today then we put it on the website and

[3:08:04] then it's always on the website 365 days

[3:08:07] because that's a requirement as well and

[3:08:09] we're going to try to you know like i

[3:08:10] said up our training up some of it we

[3:08:13] used to do a table at the farmer's

[3:08:14] market we're probably going to bring

[3:08:16] that back where we have a little display

[3:08:17] we work with the county you know do you

[3:08:19] know discharge

[3:08:20] a little public uh input like that um so

[3:08:24] those are the couple of things that we

[3:08:25] want to do mostly involves

[3:08:27] uh training in public and for the last

[3:08:29] couple of years training in public kind

[3:08:30] of work low but we're going to bring it

[3:08:33] back up

[3:08:34] mr bear

[3:08:36] because i noticed one

[3:08:38] small error i didn't pick up when i

[3:08:40] signed it okay is the county's address

[3:08:43] is listed as 107 in that street it's

[3:08:45] actually 107. not terrace okay i will

[3:08:48] pick the what page do you want

[3:08:51] uh page three

[3:08:53] of the report page

[3:08:55] 37 of the

[3:08:57] console pack

[3:09:00] okay right i will make that change

[3:09:04] thank you

[3:09:10] any other questions

[3:09:13] you just wanted

[3:09:20] all right

[3:09:21] uh second item on the agenda to

[3:09:23] authorize the issue is insurance

[3:09:25] issuance of the revocable commit number

[3:09:28] 671 to very birds

[3:09:31] and so uh

[3:09:33] is a new gallery

[3:09:35] on pedestrian j street and i would like

[3:09:37] to draw everyone's attention to the sign

[3:09:39] because it is very cute

[3:09:41] has a barren bird on

[3:09:43] so uh they will be utilizing an existing

[3:09:45] bracket

[3:09:46] uh and this has done a planning it is

[3:09:48] very similar in style and size to the

[3:09:51] other signs that are out there kind of

[3:09:53] boutique

[3:09:54] so we don't have any issues with it

[3:10:03] fire training facility improvements mr

[3:10:05] sure i'm going to speak about both of

[3:10:07] these because they're semi-related

[3:10:10] three and four three and four so um the

[3:10:13] city uh engaged with h2m architects to

[3:10:18] uh make improvements to the fire

[3:10:19] training facility that's located at the

[3:10:21] corner of golf in oregon

[3:10:23] that is the tower that has been there

[3:10:25] the tower has been derelict for quite

[3:10:28] some time due to

[3:10:30] some

[3:10:30] miss i would say miss maintenance on it

[3:10:32] windows open had a lot of issues with

[3:10:34] birds and nesting and things like that

[3:10:37] so the tower kind of fell into a state

[3:10:38] of disrepair uh similarly uh situation

[3:10:41] with the smoke house because that

[3:10:42] training actually kind of changed so

[3:10:44] through our conversations with the fire

[3:10:46] department and h2m we decided to move in

[3:10:48] a different path that building was small

[3:10:51] it was solid but it just for their

[3:10:53] training purposes it did not fit so that

[3:10:55] building was removed in-house by city

[3:10:57] personnel

[3:10:58] uh and we're looking to replace that

[3:11:00] building uh the first one we have

[3:11:02] however is mid-state they are going to

[3:11:04] be renovating the existing tower

[3:11:07] so right now the tower is completely

[3:11:09] clean it has been abated it has no more

[3:11:11] garment it is sealed

[3:11:13] and what mid-state is going to do is go

[3:11:15] in

[3:11:16] continue refurbishment

[3:11:18] replace all the boards with actual

[3:11:20] windows the windows will be different

[3:11:22] based off of what was already been

[3:11:23] discussed in the police sorry fires

[3:11:27] procedures so some windows are double

[3:11:28] honks some windows from all the way up

[3:11:30] depending on where they are on the

[3:11:31] building and how they're going to do for

[3:11:32] their training so the first is to

[3:11:35] renovate the existing training topic and

[3:11:37] that is the mid-state industry we have

[3:11:40] worked with mistake in the past we

[3:11:41] worked with them quite a bit

[3:11:43] reputable company that we've never had

[3:11:45] issues with

[3:11:48] any questions i'm sorry

[3:11:50] okay

[3:11:52] a second also in favor

[3:11:56] okay the second is for the new training

[3:11:58] structure which is essentially a whole

[3:12:01] barn norton style building the

[3:12:03] building's large enough where they can

[3:12:04] get some apparatus in it and will be a

[3:12:07] larger dry space where they can put an

[3:12:09] apparatus in or if not

[3:12:11] do

[3:12:12] i don't remember the name of it i think

[3:12:13] it's confidence training where they

[3:12:15] actually set up obstacle courses and

[3:12:17] they put it in the dark and they have to

[3:12:18] kind of navigate so as a it's a bigger

[3:12:21] building they realize they didn't need

[3:12:22] to you know break into the roof so much

[3:12:24] and do what they did in the older style

[3:12:25] and then they wanted the extra space so

[3:12:27] this is a it's a simple structure

[3:12:29] similar to what we did at the golf

[3:12:30] course it's going to be used for

[3:12:32] training purposes the reason we did them

[3:12:34] separate is just because we wanted to

[3:12:36] make sure that a company that did the

[3:12:37] buildings might not do renovations and

[3:12:39] that is what we got so we have a

[3:12:41] renovation company in the building

[3:12:43] company so it did work and the low bid

[3:12:45] was the same company that is doing the

[3:12:47] golf course which is not surprising in

[3:12:50] the golf course we have had a very

[3:12:52] successful time with him

[3:12:54] so we have no reason to

[3:12:56] from my perspective not go forward with

[3:12:58] the next building any questions

[3:13:01] which question i'll move it

[3:13:03] second also

[3:13:06] i think that this seems wrong okay thank

[3:13:08] you so much thank you

[3:13:11] all right um next time would be item

[3:13:13] number seven oh i'm sorry

[3:13:16] swimming pool agreement i'm number six

[3:13:18] mr colton thank you

[3:13:21] um

[3:13:22] for a number of years the city has uh

[3:13:24] contracted with the boys and girls club

[3:13:26] since

[3:13:28] for the operation of city on swimming

[3:13:30] pools

[3:13:31] which includes the provision of

[3:13:32] lifeguard staffing

[3:13:34] in 2021 the city paid the boys and girls

[3:13:36] clubs 145 000 for the operation of city

[3:13:39] pools due in part to staffing concerns

[3:13:41] the negotiated contract for this current

[3:13:44] year would be 155 thousand dollars

[3:13:47] under the terms of the agreement the

[3:13:49] central park front street in quack and

[3:13:51] bush pools will be operated through

[3:13:53] august 26 7 days per week at central

[3:13:55] park and through august 19th six days

[3:13:58] per week at uh front street in

[3:13:59] quackenbush

[3:14:02] the boys and girls club has requisite

[3:14:03] experience and familiarity with the

[3:14:05] city's pools to operate them

[3:14:07] and because it's been difficult

[3:14:09] according to the boys and girls club

[3:14:10] find

[3:14:12] trained lifeguards

[3:14:14] they're looking to increase the contract

[3:14:16] amount to

[3:14:17] cover the additional

[3:14:20] wages they would have to pay those

[3:14:22] lifeguards

[3:14:24] so

[3:14:26] seeking

[3:14:27] approval

[3:14:29] from the committee to

[3:14:33] request or to authorize this agreement

[3:14:35] with the boys and girls club for the

[3:14:37] full council's consideration for the

[3:14:38] 2022 season

[3:14:41] any questions

[3:14:44] it's not a question just general

[3:14:45] information from the council it's my

[3:14:47] intent not to open the quack and bush

[3:14:49] pool

[3:14:51] review

[3:14:53] by the council mr williams we've gone

[3:14:55] through done some of the evaluation

[3:14:57] quack and bush

[3:14:59] excuse me after five missions

[3:15:04] which one are you not going to killers

[3:15:06] okay

[3:15:07] i

[3:15:08] apologize for the statement

[3:15:10] uh

[3:15:11] been losing a significant amount of

[3:15:13] water every day

[3:15:15] uh we have not been able to identify

[3:15:18] that leak or where the water is going

[3:15:21] but the potential is there that some of

[3:15:24] the subsurface of the pool because it's

[3:15:26] the lower drains

[3:15:27] they've

[3:15:29] filled the pool at the lower levels the

[3:15:31] water goes out so it's the lower drains

[3:15:33] that are losing it

[3:15:38] it's going somewhere and worried about

[3:15:40] there may be some compromise of the

[3:15:42] surface or the support structure for the

[3:15:44] pool

[3:15:45] so if we total pull up

[3:15:47] there is the potential of a failure

[3:15:50] with the pool

[3:15:52] and

[3:15:53] just at this point not ready to run that

[3:15:55] risk until we can do a

[3:15:58] more in-depth evaluation with it

[3:16:03] is the front street pool actually

[3:16:05] usable

[3:16:07] i don't know if you could go swimming

[3:16:08] tonight

[3:16:11] okay for some reason i thought it was

[3:16:12] like in total disrepair

[3:16:25] it's a good thing

[3:16:27] so um

[3:16:36] discussion hosting quarterly city

[3:16:38] council meetings outside to help follow

[3:16:40] him

[3:16:41] so not to believe this topic um i think

[3:16:44] the last meeting we're just going to

[3:16:46] get more information about where and

[3:16:48] what topic

[3:16:49] um

[3:16:50] i think the

[3:16:51] apparent one would be addressing the

[3:16:53] speed limit signs and then hearing it

[3:16:55] from both ac whipple and also from mr uh

[3:17:01] i'm talking about the three e's

[3:17:02] education enforcement and engineering i

[3:17:04] think it's important for us to get

[3:17:06] behind a education campaign from the

[3:17:08] city to inform people and i think using

[3:17:10] an opportunity to meet outside of the

[3:17:12] council will not only be able to have us

[3:17:15] put this in a

[3:17:17] more uh transverse

[3:17:24] venue i think pausing really quick

[3:17:26] having the opportunity to go to the

[3:17:27] campus the office of cannabis meeting

[3:17:29] and seeing that that room was packed

[3:17:31] full on that topic was uh exciting and

[3:17:34] trying to figure out ways to kind of

[3:17:35] meet people where they are i think

[3:17:37] taking this topic into the community and

[3:17:40] allowing us to put in place the

[3:17:41] resources such as the police and also

[3:17:43] engineering and then providing them the

[3:17:45] resources to potentially have a public

[3:17:48] hearing

[3:17:49] on the road i think is important or it

[3:17:51] could be an option

[3:17:54] so i would not do the speeding topic i

[3:17:56] didn't get a chance to talk with you

[3:17:57] about this earlier but um you know we

[3:18:00] don't need to do a public hearing about

[3:18:01] speeding topics

[3:18:03] i think we've definitely gotten enough

[3:18:04] input from our residents about the

[3:18:06] speeding topic but i think if we were

[3:18:08] going to have a town hall

[3:18:09] outside of here

[3:18:11] which is i think what we talked about at

[3:18:13] last

[3:18:14] whenever it was that we did say yes

[3:18:17] let's let's do try to do some town halls

[3:18:20] i think a larger issue

[3:18:22] might be around noise

[3:18:24] um and behavioral change around noise

[3:18:27] and whether we include fireworks in that

[3:18:29] um that may be soliciting public input

[3:18:32] on how we might be able to make those

[3:18:34] kinds of behavioral changes was just

[3:18:36] something i was thinking about after i

[3:18:38] um you know received your message but

[3:18:40] because that's also the other quality of

[3:18:42] life issue that i think that we hear so

[3:18:44] much about but

[3:18:45] um i don't know if anybody else had a

[3:18:47] topic but i don't i don't really think

[3:18:48] that we need to have a whole town hall

[3:18:50] on speeding

[3:18:52] issues

[3:18:55] um so in terms of that

[3:18:57] i did actually have something it's

[3:18:58] something

[3:18:59] in its public banking i think that's a

[3:19:01] topping that topic that

[3:19:07] hear about but i think it may be a topic

[3:19:09] worth talking to people about in terms

[3:19:11] of public banking and how the positive

[3:19:13] impact it could have on the community so

[3:19:14] that it's a topic that i thought we

[3:19:16] could um to have a meeting

[3:19:19] um if i could just address the

[3:19:22] i'm kind of concerned about you know the noise part of it because for me um

[3:19:27] as we think it through like if we bring

[3:19:29] this out so we should also come with

[3:19:31] some solutions

[3:19:32] and so

[3:19:34] what you know because we've been i and i

[3:19:36] really wish we had a solution because

[3:19:38] just like everyone else here i hear

[3:19:40] about

[3:19:41] all the time

[3:19:42] non-stop um

[3:19:45] phone calls emails

[3:19:47] you name it we have it and we definitely

[3:19:49] do need to knew

[3:19:51] i was at a meeting just before this one

[3:19:54] and noise was um one of the big

[3:19:56] complaints about it and so you know we

[3:19:58] looked at the the ordinance and there is

[3:20:00] you know the city does have an ordinance

[3:20:02] but it was more about and the police

[3:20:03] were there

[3:20:04] and they were talking about um

[3:20:07] their priorities

[3:20:08] calls that you know if they have a

[3:20:10] priority threatening that's a if they

[3:20:12] have a priority one noise is going to be

[3:20:13] a priority three he specifically said

[3:20:16] you may not see us for five hours

[3:20:18] so

[3:20:19] um i don't disagree something that needs

[3:20:20] to be discussed but however um i think

[3:20:23] it can get pretty emotional if we have

[3:20:25] it there um wondering how we come with

[3:20:28] it to say and this is what we can do

[3:20:30] about it

[3:20:31] so let's go ahead and step up sorry oh

[3:20:34] yes um so

[3:20:36] maybe we need to each think about or

[3:20:39] send topics because i'm hearing what

[3:20:41] you're saying i think when i think of a

[3:20:43] town hall i think it's you know

[3:20:45] the idea of being able to actually

[3:20:47] solicit input from folks

[3:20:50] um

[3:20:52] so maybe that's too specific a topic also

[3:20:55] in other words like maybe

[3:20:58] inflation

[3:20:59] um as a town hall issue

[3:21:02] or

[3:21:04] you know

[3:21:04] environmental issues or something that

[3:21:07] you know we can

[3:21:09] think of some speakers

[3:21:11] or you know

[3:21:12] i i

[3:21:14] i'm just saying maybe maybe we should be

[3:21:16] kind of thinking of some topics and

[3:21:17] sending ideas

[3:21:19] [Music]

[3:21:21] so i wasn't too hard pressing anyone

[3:21:22] topic just more or less the intent of

[3:21:24] doing something in the community i can

[3:21:26] absolutely look and do a deep dive on

[3:21:28] the noise ordinances and public

[3:21:30] banking and then come together within a

[3:21:33] proposed agenda and then we can kind of

[3:21:34] have some information behind that

[3:21:38] yes mr mayor are you looking to do a

[3:21:40] city council meeting

[3:21:43] or just going to be a separate

[3:21:46] meeting of the council

[3:21:48] my intent was to have a city council

[3:21:50] meeting

[3:21:51] and i think that's a good idea the only

[3:21:53] thing i would submit to your

[3:21:55] consideration

[3:21:56] is sometimes you know you're going to

[3:21:58] have the topic that looking for public

[3:22:00] input

[3:22:02] you might have something on the agenda

[3:22:05] for a public hearing

[3:22:07] the people for the public hearing

[3:22:09] might not be concerned about

[3:22:11] the topics there and those are people

[3:22:14] who would traditionally come to city

[3:22:16] hall you don't want to create an

[3:22:17] impression that the people who

[3:22:22] might be some controversy with the

[3:22:23] public hearing

[3:22:25] you're moving it out of city hall and so

[3:22:28] there's just a scheduling issue there

[3:22:31] which

[3:22:33] should be

[3:22:34] fairly easy to work around

[3:22:37] it's just

[3:22:38] seen sometimes where public hearings can

[3:22:41] be more controversial than

[3:22:44] the overall agenda and other times

[3:22:46] everything just runs smooth and

[3:22:49] i like to say we're all one big happy

[3:22:50] family

[3:22:51] [Music]

[3:22:53] i think um i think though when we talked

[3:22:56] about this last time we did decide i i

[3:22:58] felt that we had decided that we weren't

[3:23:00] going to do a city council meeting on

[3:23:01] site but then instead we were moving to

[3:23:04] the

[3:23:05] i have three nodding heads here in a row

[3:23:07] that it was more around the idea that we

[3:23:09] were going to try to host some public

[3:23:11] some town meetings on topics that might

[3:23:14] be of interest to folks

[3:23:16] to come and learn something um at the

[3:23:18] tommy at least that was my impression

[3:23:20] when we left that last meeting

[3:23:23] go ahead

[3:23:23] so i think the last meeting was that

[3:23:25] there would be considerations from both

[3:23:26] wasn't estimated no it wasn't

[3:23:28] necessarily that we would um

[3:23:30] not go down one um but again definitely

[3:23:33] taking eating the mayor's recommendation

[3:23:35] of making sure we're intentionally

[3:23:37] looking at all avenues and potentially

[3:23:38] exposing ourselves to this

[3:23:40] i don't want to rush anything i don't

[3:23:42] want to

[3:23:43] expose us to with potential backlash or

[3:23:47] [Music]

[3:23:49] negatively affect topics that are of

[3:23:51] benefit to the city so i'm not going to

[3:23:54] do the work so i can come back with an

[3:23:56] update

[3:23:58] mr toro and and mr williams i totally

[3:24:01] agree with you i mean our meetings are

[3:24:03] kind of sad we need to bring people in

[3:24:06] um

[3:24:07] but going to them i don't think

[3:24:09] necessarily would be the answer but

[3:24:11] again if we visit their

[3:24:14] neighborhood meetings which i visited i

[3:24:16] tried to visit everyone's neighborhood

[3:24:18] meetings but if we go as a group i mean

[3:24:20] it's already being done

[3:24:22] and we bring a a

[3:24:24] speaker with us that day on

[3:24:27] something but those meetings are already

[3:24:28] being held in different neighborhoods

[3:24:31] and um we just visit doing

[3:24:34] rotations tomorrow neighborhood meetings

[3:24:36] yeah

[3:24:37] that's mrs wayne so i'd say we'd like to

[3:24:39] organize a time for all of us to get

[3:24:41] together and attend one meeting i would

[3:24:43] absolutely not be opposed to that yeah

[3:24:46] i most have stopped for the summer but

[3:24:50] yeah

[3:24:51] so we also

[3:24:52] have liability potential of if we have a

[3:24:56] council meeting outside of city hall so

[3:24:58] a worker goes gets an accident there's

[3:25:02] potential liability

[3:25:04] we have a number of other issues

[3:25:06] the mayor brought up a couple of those

[3:25:08] um so

[3:25:09] a council meeting outside of here i mean

[3:25:12] we've seen

[3:25:13] the attendance when

[3:25:15] something of interest happens

[3:25:17] it's been pretty good

[3:25:19] and

[3:25:21] you know the cannabis meeting granted it

[3:25:23] was off-site but it's

[3:25:26] right diagonal to city hall

[3:25:28] so

[3:25:29] i really feel strongly this is our

[3:25:31] center of government

[3:25:33] it's a symbol

[3:25:34] and that's where we should have our

[3:25:36] meetings

[3:25:37] having a town hall all four

[3:25:41] with a prescribed topic and

[3:25:43] bringing in the neighborhood or people

[3:25:45] around the city

[3:25:46] fine

[3:25:48] that's just us has a council showing up

[3:25:51] um

[3:25:52] but a council meeting

[3:25:54] i mean been pretty steadfast with that

[3:25:58] i i just will say that we this is not

[3:26:00] new it's been done before the council i

[3:26:02] don't know if america is on the council

[3:26:04] of the time he's been on the council for

[3:26:06] a long time but so it's not a new

[3:26:07] concept

[3:26:08] the city i can go back i'll go back and

[3:26:10] give you the information so city hall

[3:26:12] meetings have been held outside of city

[3:26:13] hall before so it would not be a first

[3:26:17] and in terms of you know i mean we did

[3:26:19] through the cannabis meeting yes it was

[3:26:21] there um that's because the size of the

[3:26:23] space

[3:26:24] um i just think that it's you know as i

[3:26:27] said before and i'll say again that we

[3:26:28] continually go to people when we want to

[3:26:32] you know to solicit them and so bringing

[3:26:34] a meeting into the community to me is

[3:26:35] not outside of of us just saying to them

[3:26:39] okay we come to you during election time

[3:26:42] now we're coming to you as well i'm

[3:26:43] putting something right in your

[3:26:44] neighborhood i don't think that's beyond

[3:26:46] the realm of possibility or or and i

[3:26:48] think it actually even makes sense but

[3:26:50] um mr williams said he's going to bring

[3:26:52] back

[3:26:54] some other considerations for us and do

[3:26:56] you want more topics to do you want us

[3:26:58] to send you more topics or are you just

[3:26:59] going to work with the ones that we

[3:27:00] discussed tonight

[3:27:02] all right

[3:27:05] is there any more input on that topic

[3:27:09] okay

[3:27:10] then i would entertain a motion to go

[3:27:13] into executive session

[3:27:15] okay we'll be going to

[3:27:16] the executive session for the purpose of

[3:27:20] property sales yes and i'll secondly

[3:27:22] always in favor

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, June 21, 2022

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