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[10:20] okay Thursday

[10:22] I'd like to call the Schenectady city

[10:24] council committee meeting to order for

[10:27] Tuesday January 17 2023.

[10:33] the first item on the agenda

[10:36] is the New York State excuse me I'm

[10:38] sorry Public Safety please call the

[10:40] order so they've called out of the

[10:42] Public Safety Committee we have two

[10:43] items on the agenda tonight first of

[10:45] which will be New York State DCJS or

[10:48] infancy prevention Grant and I'll be

[10:50] discussed by Chief Eric Clifford

[10:55] foreign

[10:57] thank you very much

[11:00] Scentsy Police Department is seeking

[11:02] legislation to accept a grant from the

[11:04] New York State Department of Criminal

[11:06] Justice Services

[11:08] the grant is for a pilot program

[11:12] that will support programming for

[11:13] runaway and homeless Youth and youth of

[11:16] color develop a framework on alternative

[11:18] to arrest policies and practices and

[11:21] build trust among communities

[11:23] the grant is in the amount of 514 064

[11:27] dollars

[11:28] and although I did put into legislative

[11:31] request I did not have included timeline

[11:35] um I realized that I made the mistake

[11:36] that the period of performance is listed

[11:39] as January 1st 2023 through September

[11:43] 30th of 2026 which is roughly four full

[11:46] years

[11:47] and we have partnered with Schenectady

[11:51] connects for our proposal that includes

[11:54] a budget of roughly 122 thousand dollars

[11:57] per year

[11:58] that that budget is dedicated towards

[12:01] wages for the youths

[12:05] salaries and fringe benefits for the

[12:07] staff at scanty connects

[12:10] fifteen thousand dollars a year for

[12:12] police overtime dollars and then

[12:14] programming expenses and some

[12:16] administrative and indirect expenses

[12:22] I will open up questions at this time

[12:24] any other questions comments around the

[12:26] table

[12:28] I would just say that it sounds like a

[12:29] wonderful program and I love the aspect

[12:32] of being able to get our youth employed

[12:37] um I support everything that was in the

[12:39] Grant in terms of then it you know is

[12:42] one less opportunity for them to be

[12:43] doing something that perhaps they

[12:45] shouldn't be doing and at the same time

[12:46] learning such amazing skills for future

[12:49] employment so I completely support it I

[12:52] think it's great

[12:53] thank you

[12:55] is there any questions

[12:59] so we're talking about 10 units

[13:02] four years over four years

[13:05] looking at the the attachment here

[13:07] proposal

[13:11] this is a one-year estimated here this

[13:13] is a one-year estimate before four years

[13:16] for roughly four years

[13:18] um and it's a it's a rough it's a rough

[13:21] uh it's a rough budget right now it's

[13:23] not it's not in solid that's why it's a

[13:25] little bit short I believe that comes

[13:27] like 488 000. for 10 years for a year

[13:30] and it will cover 10 units per year

[13:34] that's the target

[13:35] and you mentioned 10 weeks

[13:37] per year no okay yes

[13:41] Sergeant Lanier uh was delegated this so

[13:44] he has more more information

[13:48] as the chief said that that's a fairly

[13:50] rough budget Network

[13:52] so it was thought out casting a wider

[13:55] net for referrals

[13:58] um through the police department

[13:59] so if

[14:02] those individuals deemed appropriate for

[14:05] the program

[14:06] um that that number of 10 would be 10

[14:08] youth to go through the program for a

[14:10] full year of wages so

[14:12] um you know that's just a rough budget

[14:14] but if if that if those 10 youth were

[14:16] employed for the entire year through the

[14:19] program

[14:20] um that's what that number okay thanks I

[14:22] just want a clarification thank you so

[14:26] um so you're planning on sending you

[14:27] then we know that we have people that

[14:29] fall off so what would the plan be if

[14:31] like let's say like a quarter way

[14:33] through you all lost a couple you've is

[14:35] there a process will there be I'll just

[14:37] ask you if something you fell off like

[14:39] halfway through a third of the way

[14:41] through the program and you're not at 10

[14:42] any longer um is there a plan for that

[14:45] yeah so the referral process you know

[14:48] it's

[14:49] um the youth that qualify you know via

[14:54] offense a low-level non-violent offenses

[14:57] um within the school district they would

[15:00] all be eligible to go into the program

[15:02] um

[15:02] so you know we I try to maximize the

[15:05] funding to to support a program that was

[15:09] currently in place

[15:11] um so you know there's a lot of Youth

[15:13] that's eligible but again that factor is

[15:15] to tell you that go through the program

[15:17] if one youth falls out

[15:20] um if there's plenty of other eligible

[15:22] candidates to to take their place it's

[15:25] in your own recruitment through the

[15:26] school district

[15:28] um well primarily it will be school

[15:31] district kids that come to the attention

[15:33] of of the police or pre-arrest diversion

[15:36] program

[15:37] um but my hope would be to obviously

[15:40] limited to our community

[15:42] so they will be

[15:45] school students okay

[15:48] any other questions or comments Mr

[15:50] Coleman just clarifying Point here I

[15:53] know it was to accept the grant

[15:54] agreement that's the legislative request

[15:56] obviously part of this is going to be

[15:58] contracting apparently with the county

[16:00] on this so I request that it just the

[16:03] committee look at it from not just

[16:06] accepting the grant agreement but also

[16:08] authorizing the mayor or his design need

[16:10] to execute all necessary contracts to

[16:12] carry out this program

[16:14] makes sense thank you uh so thank you

[16:17] for your time if there are no other

[16:18] questions or comments ask the motion

[16:22] thank you thank you thank you very much

[16:25] the next item on the agenda will be a

[16:28] presentation for the school bus stop arm

[16:30] camera safety program and I'll be

[16:31] delivered by municipated oh thank you

[16:34] very much so we have some folks here

[16:36] actually do the presentation on this for

[16:38] those of you that haven't heard about

[16:39] the program

[16:40] um it's too you know to create a more

[16:43] safe environment for our youth as

[16:45] they're getting off the bus you'll hear

[16:46] more about what the statistics on bus

[16:50] accidents when children are trying to

[16:52] get off the bus and how this can help

[16:54] um with that part of what has to happen

[16:56] in first of all is that the school

[16:59] district would be the one to implement

[17:01] this as we know the school districts are

[17:03] the ones that actually use through the

[17:05] buses

[17:07] okay and so what our role in this is

[17:10] that we have to pay past the local law

[17:12] in order to do that

[17:14] and I'm sorry we have to work past a

[17:17] local law I'm sorry that's okay I'll

[17:19] speak up and at this point in time

[17:22] there's already been a presentation done

[17:23] at the school district level so uh

[17:25] during the presentation they'll tell you

[17:26] how that went and um what our goal is

[17:29] for at this point in time so I'll turn

[17:32] it over to I'm Steve Francis

[17:35] okay nice to meet everyone I'm going to

[17:38] hang out over a few years I'm going to

[17:40] move the presentation can you move the

[17:42] presentation for him yeah I'm sorry can

[17:44] you move the presentation slides for him

[17:46] or Juan could you do that

[17:48] okay so we'll ask we'll ask the head of

[17:52] our I.T Department you're getting the

[17:53] top size

[18:02] oh yes if you would please

[18:10] that's really for the audience out there

[18:12] okay okay hey everyone so I'm Steve

[18:14] Randazzo I'm the Executive Vice

[18:16] President of bus Patrol America

[18:19] um in a past life I was the deputy

[18:21] county executive of Suffolk County New

[18:23] York down on Long Island and

[18:26] um I'm a father of two young kids and

[18:29] just really passionate about

[18:31] Transportation safety and school bus

[18:33] safety

[18:34] so

[18:35] back in 2019 late 2019 the folks in

[18:40] Albany passed the law that enabled

[18:42] municipalities all across the state of

[18:44] New York counties cities towns and even

[18:47] Villages where all you have to do well

[18:50] there are a few steps but at the city

[18:52] level you basically have to enable the

[18:54] legislation uh locally so that if

[18:58] there's state law floating out there

[19:00] that you know City councils for example

[19:03] through the state legislation can bring

[19:06] to the city of Schenectady through some

[19:08] local action

[19:10] um next slide please

[19:12] so I do I do want to tell you a little

[19:13] bit about pest control so there are a

[19:16] few vendors in the space but we have a

[19:19] pretty unique Mission we believe it's

[19:21] important to put the safety technology

[19:23] when communities do uh choose to embark

[19:26] on it to to make it available to all

[19:29] students on all of us so our mission

[19:31] really is in line with that philosophy

[19:33] that we want to make the ride to and

[19:35] from safer to and from school safer for

[19:38] all students in the communities

[19:39] so what we do is

[19:42] um we outfit school buses in communities

[19:45] with

[19:46] artificial intelligence enabled camera

[19:48] systems that help monitor traffic with

[19:53] respect to school bus stop animals so

[19:55] essentially if a car right now passes a

[19:58] stop School Bus they more or less are

[20:01] getting away with it because it just

[20:03] generally now not how we police our

[20:05] communities you almost have to be

[20:07] unlucky in a sense to have a police

[20:09] officer sitting behind the school bus

[20:12] witnessing the incident and then going

[20:16] after the driver writing him or her

[20:18] ticket so this is a really efficient way

[20:20] to enforce this really critical law and

[20:23] help students when they're getting off

[20:25] and on the onto the school bus

[20:28] um you know just

[20:29] ensure that that's done a little bit in

[20:32] a little bit of a safer manner

[20:34] so we look at this as

[20:38] an interesting place to invest in

[20:40] because

[20:42] I was I went to school back in the 90s

[20:45] and went from from what I hear from

[20:47] folks who went to school back in the 80s

[20:49] and 70s and 60s that the school bus

[20:51] really hasn't changed at all that much

[20:53] and you know they maybe added some seat

[20:55] belts but other than that

[20:56] um

[20:57] it just hasn't been a place

[20:59] traditionally that we've seen much

[21:00] investment in so this is a really

[21:02] exciting opportunity that New York state

[21:04] has afforded communities to add some

[21:06] wonderful safety technology and help us

[21:09] make the road safer

[21:11] in the problem in the process of doing

[21:13] it next slide

[21:16] so I just want to tell you a little bit

[21:17] more about bus Patrol so we are the

[21:19] number one provider of the service

[21:21] across the country and particularly in

[21:23] New York so our customers already across

[21:26] the state are places like Suffolk County

[21:28] Rocklin County

[21:31] places down in Orange County downstate

[21:34] New York Dutchess County Albany County

[21:37] Nassau County Monroe County we were just

[21:40] recently awarded the contract we're

[21:41] implementing it now we're up in the city

[21:43] of Niagara Falls city of Rensselaer accounting and then awarded

[21:50] the contract in the City of Buffalo

[21:51] we're implementing city of Jamestown and

[21:54] city of North Tampa Wonder right now so

[21:56] it's really kind of spreading like

[21:58] wildfire in a sense so we've had a

[22:01] couple of preliminary conversations with

[22:04] the mayor and as

[22:07] president Porterville mentioned we did a

[22:10] presentation for the school district

[22:11] leadership

[22:13] my understanding is that the

[22:15] transportation leadership is very

[22:16] supportive

[22:18] because it's just a great opportunity to

[22:20] make the road safer and to help kids in

[22:23] the progress so next slide

[22:27] so I just want to talk a little bit

[22:28] about the problem take a step back so

[22:31] school buses are actually the most

[22:33] widely used form of mass transportation

[22:35] in the country by far they're over half

[22:37] a million school buses roaming around

[22:39] America every day and that represents

[22:42] roughly 26 million student writers and

[22:46] over the course of the last 10 years we

[22:48] have seen over a hundred thousand School

[22:50] Bus related injuries over a thousand

[22:53] fatalities with respect to school buses

[22:55] so certainly a problem that is

[22:59] statistically backed up and if you just

[23:01] go to the next slide please

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[23:04] um so what you see

[23:06] um with respect to the way school bus

[23:08] drivers and parents see this situation

[23:10] is I don't know if anyone has school bus

[23:13] driver and their family if you know one

[23:15] but um ask them if this is a problem and

[23:19] they will tell you unequivocally uh yes

[23:21] so and and a lot of parents share an

[23:25] experience that I that I hear from

[23:27] community community around dropping

[23:29] their kids off at the at the the local

[23:32] school bus stop and seeing lots of cars

[23:34] whiz past and just blatantly

[23:36] disregarding the bus

[23:38] and I think that's happened

[23:40] for a number of different reasons I

[23:41] think one people are just more

[23:43] distracted behind the wheel than ever

[23:45] before people are texting and driving

[23:47] and people are people just distracted

[23:51] behind the wheel in general because cars

[23:53] are built with lots of bells and

[23:55] whistles that are kind of distracting us

[23:57] and and then lastly this just

[23:59] inefficient sense of enforcement

[24:02] um

[24:03] that compounded over years and years and

[24:05] years I think has led to this pervasive

[24:07] driving culture reckless driving culture

[24:10] around stop school buses people just

[24:12] don't you know if you're late for a

[24:14] meeting or you know you're just don't

[24:16] want to stop for those 30 seconds while

[24:18] the kids are getting off and on

[24:20] you look around you see if there's a

[24:22] police officer and if there isn't you tend to whiz off so school bus

[24:27] drivers are actually asked on an annual

[24:30] basis to manually count with their eyes

[24:33] how many passes happen in like a given

[24:35] period of time maybe a day or two and

[24:37] then that's aggregated up at the state

[24:39] level and then even the national level

[24:41] so it's estimated that

[24:44] um in the United States 17 million

[24:48] illegal passes every year in New York

[24:51] state the the governor's traffic safety

[24:54] board estimates that roughly 50 000

[24:56] illegal passes are happening every day

[24:59] in the state of New York so it's a

[25:01] pretty serious problem next slide

[25:06] here's some footage from actually some

[25:08] neighboring peer programs in New York

[25:10] that permitted us to share with you

[25:13] tonight so this is a problem on single

[25:16] Lane roads on multi-lane roads on roads

[25:19] that have

[25:20] um opposing traffic

[25:23] um and you know what we like to show

[25:27] or draw attention to folks when they're

[25:30] watching these videos is just sort of

[25:31] the lack of brake lights like to me when

[25:35] someone breaks it's almost like a symbol

[25:38] of maybe someone contemplating whether

[25:41] they're doing something right or wrong

[25:42] but only very often see is just an utter

[25:46] blatant disregard with us and that's

[25:48] really what's what's troubling and what

[25:50] I think a program like this is really

[25:52] meant to address is what we really want

[25:55] to see is and it's hard but a change in

[25:58] driving culture the the there is I mean

[26:02] I can tell you just from personal

[26:03] experience if I see a you know state

[26:06] trooper you know a 100 couple hundred

[26:09] feet away from me I tend to be on my

[26:11] best behavior I slow down I make sure

[26:13] that I'm making sure I'm doing all the

[26:15] right things we want to create them why

[26:17] not create that same that same Instinct

[26:19] in drivers around school buses school

[26:22] buses are actually

[26:23] they're very large they're yellow they

[26:26] have huge red flashing lights they have

[26:28] a stopwarm that comes out when kids are

[26:30] getting off and on it is arguably the

[26:33] most visible thing on the road when it's

[26:35] on the road and yet

[26:36] people are just blowing right past them

[26:39] every day and Schenectady I can tell you

[26:43] just in talking to folks in law

[26:45] enforcement parents folks in government

[26:47] that it seems to be an issue here as

[26:49] well

[26:50] next slide

[26:52] I just want to kind of crystallize this

[26:55] sense of traditional enforcement where

[26:57] versus this photo enforcement world with

[27:00] respect to this one issue and that's in

[27:04] the state of Pennsylvania so

[27:05] Pennsylvania passed this law a few years

[27:08] ago we just went live across the state

[27:10] of Pennsylvania in numerous communities

[27:13] in from the Philadelphia area all the

[27:15] way out to Pittsburgh Pittsburgh is one

[27:17] of our customers

[27:19] and back in 2018 when this was not yet a

[27:24] law in Pennsylvania

[27:26] police officers can cross the entire

[27:28] state issued 667 violations for

[27:32] illegally passing a stop School Bus

[27:35] um we did a pilot program in Allentown

[27:37] Pennsylvania I don't know if everyone's

[27:39] ever been to Allentown but

[27:41] um we did it on just two school buses

[27:43] across just 47 school days and those two

[27:47] school buses captured 205

[27:49] two school buses

[27:51] on a shorter period of time than a full

[27:53] year in one community so it just

[27:57] it's absolutely dramatic what the

[27:59] cameras are captured capturing versus

[28:01] what um you know police officers again

[28:04] there's no fault on their own but just

[28:06] are capturing on the roads it's not the

[28:08] way we we traditionally police our

[28:10] communities next slide

[28:14] so um unfortunately what really led to a

[28:18] lot of States enabling this legislation

[28:20] to permit photo enforcement on school

[28:22] buses was a tragic incident in 2018 in

[28:25] the state of Indiana a family actually

[28:27] lost three children to um

[28:30] unspeakable and an unspeakable incident

[28:32] where a car illegally passed the school

[28:35] bus

[28:36] absolutely devastating

[28:38] it's hard to talk about but it did lead

[28:42] to action so you now have dozens of

[28:44] states that because the the U.S national

[28:46] Transportation safety board recommended

[28:48] to states to

[28:50] um to do something about this and to

[28:52] think about photo enforcement as a

[28:54] solution we now have dozens of states

[28:57] that do it so we we are actually in New

[28:59] York Pennsylvania

[29:01] Connecticut

[29:03] Maryland Virginia

[29:05] Georgia North Carolina Illinois

[29:09] Washington State so it's really kind of

[29:11] like I said even in New York I said it

[29:13] was spreading but it's also spreading

[29:14] around the country as well

[29:15] next slide

[29:18] so I want to tell you a little bit about

[29:19] the state law it's it's called 1174a and

[29:23] it was always illegal to pass to to pass

[29:27] a stop school bus if it's letting kids

[29:28] on and off but a the a and the law

[29:31] allows for this photo enforcement

[29:34] um mechanism to take place and

[29:37] essentially like I said that's those

[29:39] four levels of government so in your

[29:41] case it would be the city of Schenectady

[29:43] and the first step is to pass this local

[29:45] law enabling the state legislation if

[29:49] you could just hit next

[29:51] and

[29:53] it's actually so once you if you pass

[29:56] the local law

[29:57] generally speaking there's already

[29:59] conversations with the school district

[30:00] but that's then the step where the

[30:03] school district has the ability to

[30:05] decide whether it wants to participate

[30:06] or not so like I said conversations

[30:09] always generally happen beforehand but

[30:11] the steps are local law

[30:13] then you usually select a vendor and

[30:16] then the school district

[30:18] will ultimately agree to participate and

[30:20] they have to pass a board resolution at

[30:22] an upcoming school board meeting

[30:24] um the interesting thing about our

[30:26] business model and and way of doing this

[30:30] is that we will pay for all obligations

[30:33] so this is actually zero cost to

[30:34] taxpayers as a zero cost of the city

[30:36] this is zero cost of the school district never has to budget

[30:40] for this we will outfit every single

[30:42] school bus in the community at no cost

[30:46] um we will install on buses that are

[30:49] either District owned or owned by a

[30:51] private operator I believe that the

[30:53] Schenectady City public school district

[30:55] has I think four private operators so

[30:59] they're already in talks with those

[31:01] operators because they really want to do

[31:03] this at the transportation level

[31:06] and the way we are

[31:09] um able to recoup our costs over time is

[31:11] that we negotiate a um like a split of

[31:15] the revenue that comes in from the

[31:16] collected the collected revenues from

[31:18] the tickets and that enables us to

[31:22] um service the program in perpetuity as

[31:24] well because sometimes school buses or

[31:26] school bus companies will decommission a

[31:28] bus and they'll have to buy new buses so

[31:31] we're we provide the service and

[31:33] perpetuity on an ongoing basis and there

[31:36] is literally no cost no labor on behalf

[31:40] of all of the entities involved other

[31:42] than at the city level

[31:45] we would need someone to agree to review

[31:49] the violation so we really ultimately

[31:51] are like we create these evidence

[31:54] packages the videos coming from the

[31:57] cameras

[31:58] um

[31:58] that are artificially artificial

[32:01] intelligence enabled they

[32:04] um they're the ones that um that collect

[32:07] the video and then it's reviewed by a

[32:09] human level uh review at our team like

[32:13] for quality assurance purposes but then

[32:15] ultimately it sends over the cloud to

[32:18] um in your case the city for review and

[32:21] it is not required to be a police

[32:23] officer New York allows civilians to to

[32:25] be approvers of these these photo

[32:27] enforcement violations but it's really

[32:29] up to the city and your discretion about

[32:31] who would be the ones making that final

[32:34] decision about whether to issue the

[32:36] ticket or not and then we then support

[32:38] the back end effort where we pay for the

[32:40] mailing and the printing and the postage

[32:42] and we collect the revenue from The

[32:44] Violator and then we send it over to the

[32:46] city and then even if someone wants to

[32:49] contest this we also support the

[32:51] consistation process we help with the

[32:52] scheduling the docket preparation and

[32:54] the evidence uh preparation and the

[32:57] expert testimony in the event that

[32:59] and test this and before

[33:01] next slide

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[33:04] I do want to show you the uh what the

[33:07] camera what the technology looks like so

[33:08] it's not very invasive it just installed

[33:11] on the outside of the school bus it's

[33:13] painted yellow so you could really

[33:14] barely notice it if you didn't really

[33:16] know it was there and and it's

[33:19] essentially monitoring traffic in the

[33:22] very narrow use case of when the school

[33:24] bus is stopping to let kids on and off

[33:27] so it really the cameras are really

[33:29] wonderful I you've probably heard this

[33:31] term artificial intelligence thrown

[33:33] around a lot but it's actually

[33:37] um incredible how efficient the

[33:39] artificial intelligence is it's actually

[33:41] gotten to the point where it's they say

[33:43] it's 11 more accurate than a human being

[33:46] and it's uh because it's monitoring

[33:48] traffic on an ongoing basis it actually

[33:51] gets more intelligent over time so we

[33:53] expect our artificial intelligence

[33:55] engine who we call Ava kind of like

[33:58] Amazon has Alexa we have Ava Ava is

[34:02] monitoring traffic and just can discern

[34:04] really well what a stopped car looks

[34:07] like what a bicycle looks like what a

[34:09] car in motion looks like

[34:11] um and it's just really efficient at

[34:14] helping bus Patrol create these quality

[34:15] evidence packages for for for

[34:17] communities like yours to review to hold

[34:20] drivers accountable who would endanger

[34:22] the life of a child

[34:24] next slide

[34:27] um and we really feel like knowledge is

[34:29] power when it comes to our programs like

[34:32] we

[34:33] if you look at this very simply like the

[34:36] Casual Observer might say you're just

[34:38] the ticketing platform we in no way

[34:40] really want to position ourselves like

[34:43] that we want to be your community safety

[34:45] partner where we and we're doing this

[34:47] all across the state already where we're

[34:49] providing the data to schools and cities

[34:51] on an ongoing basis about where the hot

[34:54] spots in your community because that

[34:55] should be an ongoing conversation with

[34:57] the school about how you plan your

[34:59] routes in future years right because if

[35:01] we tell you that this is a dangerous uh

[35:04] location right like if we give you the

[35:06] top five or top 10 most ticketed

[35:08] locations in your community

[35:10] you should take that and have energy to

[35:13] Foster conversation about well maybe we

[35:15] should move the school bus stop here or

[35:16] over here to make it a safer Journey for the student getting on and off the

[35:21] bus so we provide that to you as a

[35:23] standard service we provide data um in

[35:27] line with just some of our other

[35:28] contracts that we have in place with

[35:30] local municipalities across the state

[35:33] next slide

[35:35] [Music]

[35:36] next slide

[35:39] so here's another distinguisher about

[35:41] bus Patrol and so the way the revenue

[35:44] flows I do think it's worth spending a

[35:47] second on that is that it actually flows

[35:50] through the city the school is not clued

[35:53] into the revenue per New York state law

[35:55] and the school generally speaking in my

[35:59] experience all across New York in the

[36:00] country generally speaking is really

[36:02] just happy about the safety but what we

[36:06] like to do to to Really make this

[36:09] program about comprehensive school bus

[36:11] safety is we will offer the School

[36:13] District

[36:15] No Charge internal cameras for all their

[36:18] buses

[36:19] so

[36:20] um you know in just preliminary

[36:21] conversations with school district

[36:23] leaders and transportation leaders

[36:24] locally this is really viewed as like a

[36:28] game changer because you know in the

[36:30] event there's a bullying incident or a

[36:32] fight

[36:33] um

[36:34] their one is I think there are limited

[36:37] internal cameras on your on your city

[36:40] school buses but I think

[36:43] there aren't folks who are super happy

[36:45] about the quality of those cameras so

[36:47] these qual these cameras are HD really high quality and we're paying for

[36:54] them and servicing them on behalf of

[36:56] your community in perpetuity so and

[36:59] there are different ways to access the

[37:00] footage first the transportation

[37:03] director or the school leaders call it

[37:05] the principal or the superintendent

[37:06] would have actually access to all the

[37:08] school buses from a live feed

[37:11] secondly there's a way in the event of

[37:14] an emergency to go pull the footage from

[37:16] the school bus using a they call it a

[37:19] down ball and there's a little tablet

[37:21] that goes along with that and then the

[37:23] Third Way is let's just say there's an

[37:24] incident on bus 7 this morning someone

[37:27] says you know there was a fight or a

[37:29] bullying incident

[37:30] the the district could contact us and we

[37:33] can just send them the footage from you

[37:35] know eight to 805 which really captures

[37:38] that full picture of what happened on

[37:40] the bus and send it to the appropriate

[37:42] School official for review

[37:45] so right now that's that from what I

[37:48] hear that is not the experience that the

[37:50] school transportation leadership has so

[37:52] I think from that perspective

[37:54] um alone is is really makes this program

[37:57] worthwhile for the school and the beauty

[38:00] of it is the enforcement program helps fund this this is why when we

[38:06] click the schools the the cameras on all

[38:08] the school buses and again no cost of

[38:11] taxpayers no cost to the school district

[38:13] no cost to the city one completely 100

[38:16] percent violator funded it enables this

[38:19] pool of resources to become available to

[38:21] fund really wonderful additional

[38:23] technology that we provide at no cost to

[38:26] the district for being part of the

[38:28] program next slide

[38:33] and that's just really our Mantra I just

[38:35] want to restate it because it's so

[38:36] important to us so we do have some

[38:38] competitors in the space but I will tell

[38:40] you

[38:41] um they haven't really taken off in New

[38:44] York because their model is is really

[38:47] one-dimensional it's more about becoming

[38:49] this

[38:50] recurring ticketing platform and they'll

[38:53] do that by doing traffic analyzes of

[38:55] your of your routes and they'll just put

[38:57] cameras on like the four or five buses

[38:59] that they view are going to just ticket

[39:01] the most we feel like how are you going

[39:04] to tell a parent that your kid didn't

[39:07] get the safety technology because you

[39:09] didn't make the city or the vendor you

[39:11] know enough money so we feel like the

[39:12] most ethical the most efficient way to

[39:16] go about this is No Child sort of Left

[39:19] Behind so to speak

[39:20] no kid or no parent should have to to to be told that you didn't get the

[39:27] safety technology provided to your bus

[39:30] because of Revenue reasons so we we

[39:33] subscribe to the philosophy that all

[39:36] children should be afforded this this uh

[39:38] this safety technology partner so

[39:41] schools are really gravitating towards

[39:43] that model and and we really stand

[39:46] behind it because we believe in it it's

[39:48] part of our values next slide

[39:52] what I will say is in my experience both

[39:55] as a Suffolk County official and now

[39:57] rolling out these programs all across

[39:59] the state and all across the country is

[40:01] that public education is critical the ticket of course is a it hurts in

[40:06] the wallet a bit and it's a but it's

[40:08] also a form of education and you

[40:10] definitely learn your lesson once you

[40:12] get one but we would like we like to

[40:15] create an environment where people are

[40:18] really given a heads up that this

[40:19] program is coming so what we'll do is

[40:21] we'll work with the city to design

[40:23] Public Service campaigns and press

[40:26] opportunities and we even sent work with

[40:29] the school to send out parent writers so

[40:31] that essentially everyone in the program

[40:33] and the city knows that this is coming

[40:35] we don't want this to be viewed as a

[40:36] gotcha we even in the first 30 days of

[40:39] the program and this has become a

[40:42] standard for us across New York is we

[40:44] won't even issue a a monetary violation

[40:47] just with the city's permission we would

[40:49] say for the first 30 days let's send

[40:51] warning notices out so about the folks

[40:53] who are not accustomed to being held

[40:55] accountable for this sort of have that

[40:57] one last sort of heads up that this is

[41:00] coming in a month

[41:02] we provide wonderful educational

[41:04] materials even at the student level

[41:06] because we feel like students even have

[41:08] a role to play in here as well so we

[41:09] have age-appropriate content for young

[41:12] children for middle school students and

[41:15] even for older students who are you know

[41:19] going into driver's ed because we really

[41:21] want to ingrain us in children very

[41:23] early to watch out for the bus I'll just

[41:27] tell you that I have a younger brother

[41:29] I'm the oldest of six children actually

[41:31] and my youngest brother happens to be on

[41:34] the autism spectrum and in this in the

[41:36] special needs World

[41:38] some students with autism there's really

[41:41] this they call them Runners there's this

[41:43] like instinctive trust in the bus that

[41:46] when the stop arm is out and the red

[41:48] lights are flashing and the buses stop

[41:49] that a lot of kids just they're not

[41:51] looking they just run Acro across the

[41:53] street and particularly students on the

[41:55] autism spectrum it's known in the

[41:57] disability rights Community to be an

[42:00] issue but I will just tell you that um

[42:04] you know I like to pull out my smoke my

[42:06] phone for special effect but you very

[42:08] often see lots of kids just sort of

[42:10] walking across the street like best

[42:12] staring at their phone and not looking

[42:13] so whether it's a student with special

[42:16] needs or not there is this instinctive

[42:19] trust that kids have when the bus is

[42:21] stopped that

[42:23] we really want to make sure that cars

[42:26] are on the side of caution when the

[42:28] buses stopped for those few moments to

[42:32] make sure the road is safe

[42:34] uh next slide

[42:36] as you approach it so this is a PSA we

[42:39] did in Suffolk County what should you do

[42:41] if you were in this car

[42:47] but in every case

[42:52] The Cutting Edge cabin technology

[42:53] Suffolk county is launching a program

[42:55] that can serve as a national model for

[42:57] school Transportation safety stop for

[43:00] the class it's New York state law for

[43:02] more information visit

[43:04] suffolkcountymy.gov school bus so we

[43:07] create a landing page so that there's

[43:08] public information available and we did

[43:10] it in multiple languages we did radio

[43:13] ads and Spanish radio down on the island

[43:16] we really want to make sure that folks

[43:19] again before we ever issue a ticket that

[43:22] the community has this sense that

[43:23] they're bought in their voices are heard

[43:26] and that they're ultimately given a

[43:28] heads up so that they know that it's

[43:30] coming and that they're bought into the

[43:31] concept of

[43:33] next slide

[43:35] so I I guess what I would like to just

[43:37] close by saying and I'm sure there might

[43:39] be a few questions but we really fashion

[43:42] ourselves as a safety service we we

[43:45] really kind of support the program on

[43:47] the city level and the school district

[43:49] level from Soup To Nuts we have a whole

[43:51] field service technology team that comes

[43:54] in and installs the cameras on the buses

[43:57] throughout the community and we work

[43:59] with your school district and your local

[44:01] operators on scheduling so the School

[44:04] District transportation operations are

[44:06] never impacted we work nights and

[44:08] weekends and holidays and over the

[44:10] summer

[44:11] and we service the cameras in perpetuity

[44:14] so like I said things happen like

[44:16] sometimes the bus run you know kind of

[44:18] brushes up against a tree or you know

[44:21] just things happen where we're always on

[44:23] the scene servicing the cameras that's

[44:24] Our obligation as being the city's

[44:27] vendor we issue the citations we don't

[44:30] approve the citations the city does that

[44:32] but we issue them in terms of mail and

[44:34] postage and printing

[44:37] we also collect the payment on behalf of

[44:39] the city we usually work with if you

[44:41] have like a city controller or a CFO

[44:44] something to that effect to make sure

[44:46] the flow of funds are smooth

[44:49] if people want to contest it we actually

[44:52] there's like a little coupon that people

[44:53] will kind of rip off and nail back to us

[44:57] and then we're helping to schedule the

[44:58] core contestation so it's really trying

[45:00] to be almost no burden on the city we

[45:02] really take the labor part out of it on

[45:04] behalf of the school district and

[45:06] sitting

[45:07] we also have a call center that's open

[45:10] every day so that when the violators

[45:11] have questions about the program or just

[45:14] have certain issues about payment we all

[45:17] we also offer payment plans so that

[45:19] folks who have some financial hardship

[45:21] can pay over time and we coordinate that

[45:24] through our call center we provide

[45:26] training to law enforcement or folks who

[45:28] are approving the violation so that they

[45:30] can get accustomed to the technology

[45:31] which is super easy to use to begin with

[45:34] we we provide like I said media

[45:37] campaigns and Reporting so really just

[45:40] we really fashion ourselves as your

[45:43] community safety partner again next

[45:45] slide

[45:46] so I'll save the best for last

[45:48] really cool data we're on I think over

[45:51] 15 000 school buses across the country

[45:53] at this point I think we'll be over

[45:55] around near 20 000 by the end of the

[45:58] summer but across all of our programs

[46:01] about 98 of folks who receive one

[46:03] violation in the mail never get a second

[46:05] one so really dramatic low dramatically

[46:08] low recidivism

[46:11] um and we've just our sense is that

[46:13] because we do these full Fleet

[46:15] deployments

[46:17] um it really sends a strong message to

[46:19] the community that this law is now going

[46:21] to be enforced in full force and once

[46:25] people know that that's the case they

[46:27] generally

[46:28] kind of change their behavior and that's what we're really proud of

[46:31] ultimately is that that behavioral

[46:34] change that instinctive behavioral

[46:36] change around the way people behave

[46:38] around stop school buses

[46:40] and the last slide please

[46:43] again to reiterate

[46:45] um completely 100 BioWare funded so

[46:49] there's never a point where even if the

[46:50] program didn't really let's just say it

[46:52] didn't realize certain Revenue in line

[46:55] with the car costs to support the

[46:57] program the city had never never owes

[46:59] the vet house the vendor pest patrol in

[47:02] this case the Delta between them so it's

[47:05] completely from a financial perspective

[47:07] risk freedom to the city of the school

[47:09] district and coming to

[47:12] happy to answer any questions that we

[47:14] have

[47:15] any questions Patrick yes um thank you

[47:19] very much for your presentation you did

[47:20] actually answer some of my questions

[47:22] during your presentation and we

[47:24] certainly know that that change in

[47:26] driving culture has to happen we've been

[47:28] talking about traffic safety and other

[47:30] traffic calming measures throughout the

[47:32] year but this is a huge issue and one

[47:34] that I think all of us you know

[47:36] understand and see this happen quite a

[47:39] bit

[47:40] um the contract that's in the packet

[47:42] that we were given indicates that the

[47:44] city would be responsible for all the

[47:46] costs so I don't believe we were given a

[47:48] contract

[47:50] a draft it's a draft it's just a sample

[47:52] language so I just want to clarify that all would have to change because

[47:56] I'm hearing what you're saying there

[47:59] thank you

[48:01] um the language that's in here reflects

[48:03] what is in 12 74.

[48:07] that is what is in the law of the

[48:10] nearest law certainly the city would be

[48:13] on the hook but we can always contract

[48:15] out and any way that we would like to to

[48:18] make it you know cost effective for the

[48:20] city and obviously there are other

[48:21] factors that will come into play

[48:23] potentially in terms of

[48:25] um you know the technology being used in

[48:28] terms of a competitor who may take you

[48:31] know potentially a lower cut so to speak

[48:33] in terms of what would be best for the

[48:35] city

[48:36] um okay yes but you're right the

[48:39] language from the state law says that

[48:40] the cost is born I think really is to

[48:42] distinguish between being born upon the

[48:45] school district versus the municipality

[48:47] okay I got that okay thank you very much

[48:50] the state law out clarify

[48:52] um never permits the school district to

[48:55] go out of pocket so in theory the state

[48:58] law is written in a way that says the

[49:01] city has to compensate the school

[49:03] district if it has any costs but what

[49:04] I'm saying is that supposed to patrol is

[49:07] we take that proposition out for all

[49:09] parties and we Bear all costs for the

[49:11] program okay so um a couple of things so

[49:14] the automated in 4 enforcement I want to

[49:16] hear a little bit more about that you

[49:18] know because that was one of my concerns

[49:19] reading this just in terms of Staffing

[49:21] around some of the redaction

[49:24] of the video I guess I call it video

[49:26] it's probably not called video in AI

[49:29] Cloud world but I'm an old old school

[49:32] person

[49:34] um so

[49:35] does when you talked about your Staffing

[49:37] would be the first

[49:39] look at the video at the

[49:42] discussing infractions and then you'd be

[49:44] sending us something

[49:46] um does your team do all the redaction

[49:48] of the video in terms of other license

[49:51] plates and other you know exterior again

[49:54] that was in part of the state law around

[49:57] that as well but if I can just touch

[49:59] base on that first

[50:00] these vehicles are out in public so

[50:03] there's no need to necessarily redact

[50:05] because you see a license plate you're

[50:07] seeing it from public View and if we're

[50:09] using it for you know prosecution of a

[50:11] violation we wouldn't provide that

[50:14] redacted in any event okay all right

[50:16] everything here is public all right

[50:20] this is there's no privacy concerns

[50:23] explicitly related to this certainly

[50:26] somebody can potentially foil for

[50:28] certain types of video which is separate

[50:30] from the discovery that we would have

[50:32] for a prosecution and

[50:36] even that would be redacted because it's

[50:39] all same being seen from the public

[50:41] there's nothing in the private setting

[50:43] here okay the violation goes to the

[50:46] registered owner of the vehicle so

[50:48] really the camera's job is to capture a

[50:50] clear picture of a license plate from

[50:53] um and they're actually in 1174a it

[50:57] talks about how the cameras are not to

[50:59] be used for any other purpose and they

[51:02] also have to be destroyed within I think

[51:05] um

[51:07] or 90 day time period

[51:10] um so there's a there's and just to tell

[51:12] you about our staff they're certified

[51:13] we're stock to compliant so we have the

[51:15] most stringent of cyber security

[51:17] protocols so we've never had a breach

[51:19] but

[51:20] um our job again is to produce quality

[51:22] evidence for you to review and then

[51:25] ultimately once a driver is either held

[51:27] accountable or that the ticket is

[51:29] dismissed or you disapprove it it

[51:31] essentially goes away and is destroyed

[51:33] it so the automated enforcement again

[51:35] that I just want to be really clear in

[51:37] my own minds that all is coming through

[51:39] you it sounds like right I mean or

[51:43] yeah

[51:44] we're we're creating the evidence

[51:47] package the cameras are capturing what's

[51:49] happening on the road and then we we

[51:53] have a set of quality assurance agents

[51:56] who are just checking Ava's work to make

[51:58] sure we send you a completely quality

[52:01] evidence package product and then

[52:03] ultimately that's in line with your the

[52:06] state law standards and the standards

[52:07] you impose on us and then

[52:10] that's transmitted over the the cloud

[52:13] through essentially like a portal so

[52:15] we'll give let's just say you have the

[52:17] USM folks from the Schenectady PD to

[52:19] review these I'll just saying

[52:21] aesthetically we would give each officer

[52:24] a unique login where they can log in

[52:26] from their computer or even phone where

[52:29] they um the queue populates every time

[52:32] more violations are ready for them to

[52:34] review so they might show up one day at

[52:36] you know eight o'clock in the morning

[52:37] and there might be a queue of 20

[52:39] violations potential violations for them

[52:41] too review Once they finish that it

[52:45] might populate again later in the day or

[52:46] the next yeah depending on what's

[52:48] happening on the roads

[52:50] Mr President yeah um so first I won a

[52:54] second Mark we

[52:56] the issue a very important one

[52:59] um so I just kind of want to get more

[53:02] clarity for myself as well it's like so

[53:04] you're saying that this is 100 violated

[53:07] fund fun funder funded that is the

[53:09] technology and the installation or is

[53:11] that your entire like company model or

[53:14] essentially yeah I mean it even go down

[53:17] to probably my paycheck like we the way

[53:19] we are

[53:20] company uh has its Revenue come in is

[53:24] through these programs but we partner

[53:26] with with communities in cities like

[53:28] yourselves and school districts

[53:30] depending on the way the state law Works

[53:33] um and it's just that's that varies from

[53:35] state to state but

[53:36] we that's the sort of our business model

[53:39] is that we feel like we're coming into

[53:41] your community and

[53:44] we're not trying to sell you cameras

[53:48] like we're not a hardware reseller we we think this best works as a service

[53:54] because in Theory the school district or

[53:58] the city could buy cameras and then you

[54:01] could hire staff to install the cameras

[54:03] and then you could hire staff to service

[54:04] the cameras you could hire staff to

[54:06] review the footage you could hire staff

[54:09] to lick the envelopes and print the

[54:11] postage every day and collect the money

[54:12] it just doesn't really work all that

[54:15] well that way so we really have

[54:17] positioned ourselves as this One-Stop

[54:18] shop service so that it doesn't it

[54:21] doesn't require you to hire 20 people to

[54:23] perform the service of that for the city

[54:25] we'll do it for you okay so so

[54:28] the idea the goal is prevention right

[54:31] ultimately preventing so and with this

[54:35] model like I guess all good

[54:38] non-profits I guess I would say we're

[54:40] working to kind of work ourselves out of

[54:42] business here right and if you have like

[54:44] that really high percentage of or low

[54:46] percentage or recidivism then that would

[54:48] essentially that's what would happen

[54:50] hopefully yes

[54:52] um

[54:53] in Schenectady I know that there's

[54:55] agreement or Transportation where we

[54:56] work with our with the cbta buses and

[54:58] city buses

[55:00] um who do transportation for kids to

[55:03] school and how would this would this be

[55:06] applicable to that type of agreement

[55:09] because we're not talking about yellow

[55:10] buses here

[55:11] so unfortunately as of now the state law

[55:15] only permits this to go on a yellow

[55:16] school bus that has a stop arm although

[55:19] certainly makes sense and certain cities

[55:21] have lots of students that are taking

[55:23] Alternative forms of public

[55:24] transportation so you know happy to

[55:26] engage in that conversation but for the

[55:28] time being that's what the state law

[55:30] permits is the yellow bus and then I get

[55:33] this question a lot about the

[55:35] um you know working yourselves out of

[55:37] business so to speak what I will say is

[55:38] I'm not really promising that the

[55:40] violations will ever get to zero I don't

[55:42] know if that's realistic it's because

[55:43] you have folks who come from out of town

[55:45] you have folks who are new drivers you

[55:47] have folks who

[55:48] are distracted even though they know

[55:50] this program exists so but what you do

[55:53] see is initially pretty higher level of

[55:56] violations and we you usually see a flat

[55:59] towering effect where they're a lot more

[56:01] manageable and there's awareness around

[56:03] the entire community that the program

[56:05] access so school bus drivers and school

[56:08] transportation leaders and parents will

[56:10] say oh my God this this used to be a bus

[56:13] stop where people flew by all day and

[56:15] now I'm actually seeing people stop so

[56:16] that's that's sort of what we see across

[56:19] the programs that we serve

[56:21] well to your point um I was definitely

[56:23] having the same thoughts on being a

[56:25] self-defeating thing so

[56:28] um

[56:28] based on your previous comment though is

[56:30] there a healthy amount of violations to

[56:33] expect uh take into consideration

[56:36] um new drivers and visitors where you

[56:38] can identify where your city is compared

[56:41] it to like best case scenarios if that

[56:43] makes sense and I understand I want to

[56:44] say this even one violation is an issue

[56:47] once you identify a statistic if you're

[56:50] then responsible for really lowering it

[56:51] so I want to make sure we're having yeah

[56:54] that's a great question I look I I would

[56:57] say roughly speaking we might see you're

[57:00] a pretty dense you're small City but

[57:02] you're pretty dense so you might see

[57:04] somewhere in the vicinity of

[57:06] I'm just doing like back in the napkin

[57:08] math here but like 0.2 or 0.3 violations

[57:11] per bus per day so let's just call it

[57:14] one let's say roughly speaking one

[57:16] violation per bus every five days you

[57:19] have about 30 days

[57:21] school buses in Schenectady across all

[57:24] your vendors so you know let's just say

[57:27] it's 40 times 0.2

[57:29] so you're looking at maybe a couple of

[57:31] violations per day which is what I would

[57:33] say is happening on

[57:40] so I just want to be clear so the bus

[57:42] Patrol collects the revenue we collected

[57:45] because just to make it easier for the

[57:46] city we have a payment portal where

[57:48] people can pay put their credit card

[57:49] information or mails check and then it

[57:52] really goes we work with your controller

[57:54] to make sure that's then securely

[57:56] transmitted to the city well I think

[57:58] that's actually a good thing we would

[58:00] have to do so if you would select the

[58:01] money and so you said there's this 50 50

[58:03] split and it's it's roughly 50 50. I

[58:08] have to check what so what and there and

[58:10] this um to the point about procurement

[58:12] is so we do

[58:16] um very often times when competitive

[58:18] rfps and I'm very familiar with the

[58:20] procurement in my former gig at the

[58:22] County Down on Long Island but we've

[58:25] been awarded so many competitive

[58:28] um you know competitively procured

[58:31] solicitations or procurements that we

[58:34] now now have a bunch of contracts that

[58:36] exist all across New York that have a

[58:38] Cooperative language so like a community

[58:40] a county or city could say because it

[58:43] was competitively procured they could

[58:44] put in the contract we permit other

[58:46] municipalities in New York and Beyond to

[58:49] they call it piggybacking so that's

[58:51] totally at the city's discretion but

[58:53] there are ways to utilize our services

[58:56] without having to do an RFP at this

[58:58] point because like Dutchess County and

[59:01] Monroe County and Rockland County all

[59:02] have this this Cooperative piggybacking

[59:05] language in their contracts that we'd be

[59:06] happy to share with you

[59:09] any other questions

[59:12] so

[59:14] um

[59:15] outside of like the violation data I

[59:19] could see like where you're saying that

[59:20] we kind of that might Peak and then kind

[59:22] of start to dwindle off as it was which

[59:24] is good

[59:25] um is there any other data around like

[59:28] um actually like uh you know maybe like

[59:30] a reduction accidents or students being

[59:33] like you know hit by drivers or

[59:35] something like that in any of the you

[59:36] know that you could share with us yeah

[59:39] that's a good question

[59:40] um and I can dig back with my team to

[59:43] try to get you something I can't really

[59:45] speak to Schenectady specific statistics

[59:48] I mean I would imagine your PD might

[59:50] have some of that housed within their

[59:52] department but what I will say is just

[59:55] this is why we believe so strongly in

[59:57] the full Fleet model as opposed to like

[1:00:00] if we just didn't if I just said

[1:00:02] let me do it on like three or four of

[1:00:04] your muscles like I'll just put it on

[1:00:05] the ones that's like we know people are

[1:00:07] gonna pass a lot because it goes in a

[1:00:10] really dense part of town where there's

[1:00:11] lots of intersections and things like

[1:00:13] that

[1:00:14] and then people start to think like oh

[1:00:16] well now I memorize where the buses that

[1:00:19] have the cameras and I know the ones

[1:00:20] that don't we really want to avoid that

[1:00:23] so we we do this full Fleet approach but

[1:00:25] we say let's put it on every bus so that

[1:00:26] everyone knows that any school bus in

[1:00:28] the city is connected have you passed

[1:00:30] the school bus you're going to get a

[1:00:31] ticket

[1:00:31] and what we found is in in cities that

[1:00:35] do this

[1:00:36] we feel like it's it's especially when

[1:00:38] higher traffic parts of the day like

[1:00:41] your rush hours like when the schools

[1:00:43] are on when the school buses are on the

[1:00:44] road that we see a comprehensive traffic

[1:00:47] calming effect right because when

[1:00:48] they've all been 40 school buses are

[1:00:50] roaming the city at the same time

[1:00:52] there's a good chance that like if

[1:00:55] you're driving around Rush Hour you're

[1:00:56] going to see one and it creates this

[1:00:58] calming effect I think comprehensively

[1:01:00] to your point

[1:01:04] so

[1:01:09] um

[1:01:10] but I'll try to make a double question

[1:01:12] here so have you um has any of the

[1:01:15] municipalities that you've worked with

[1:01:17] have been like increased the uh the

[1:01:20] ticketing fee in order to kind of

[1:01:23] support the program

[1:01:24] um as that happened

[1:01:26] in um in New York it cannot be the case

[1:01:30] because New York state law sets the fine

[1:01:34] and 250. so it's 250 dollars

[1:01:37] for illegally passing a stop to a bus so

[1:01:40] you would need State legislation and

[1:01:42] Albany to raise the fine or lower the

[1:01:44] fine

[1:01:46] um and that's generally the case in

[1:01:48] other states too because it's the finest

[1:01:50] set by the state

[1:01:53] does it violator have an option to say

[1:01:59] um I don't know I'm not using the right

[1:02:01] terminology here but to say like okay if

[1:02:04] they pay within the first 10 days that

[1:02:06] this ticket is issued is it like

[1:02:08] graduated uh

[1:02:10] intervention models within Europe

[1:02:13] right now yeah so the state doesn't

[1:02:16] require this but I will tell you that we

[1:02:22] you know we we want to make sure that

[1:02:24] people are afforded the opportunity to

[1:02:26] pay overtime if you know if you have a

[1:02:28] financial hardship so we have built in

[1:02:30] our system a mechanism for someone to

[1:02:33] request the payment plan so I think it's

[1:02:36] maybe might be like four or five or six

[1:02:38] I'd have to get back to I'm actually I

[1:02:40] think it's like a few payments over like

[1:02:41] a few months spam and we're very

[1:02:45] accommodating when it comes to that but

[1:02:46] that is not required by the state law

[1:02:48] that's something that we specifically do

[1:02:51] um I think you had another part to your

[1:02:52] question too yeah it was just around

[1:02:54] like so I the law was like kind of I was

[1:02:58] a little fuzzy on that is this

[1:03:01] um footage is this footage can this

[1:03:03] footage be used

[1:03:05] um for any other purposes outside of

[1:03:09] um traffic uh infractions or violator in

[1:03:12] other words like who has access to this

[1:03:14] footage and has law enforcement or any

[1:03:16] other agency contacted you to use this

[1:03:19] footage for anything other than that

[1:03:22] um so New York state does not permit it

[1:03:24] to be used for any other purpose

[1:03:26] um the even the school district is not

[1:03:29] in the state law 1174 is not permitted

[1:03:32] to access the outside camera footage

[1:03:35] that you can use the inside camera

[1:03:36] footage because we're giving that to

[1:03:38] them as a big part of the program but

[1:03:40] the outside camera footage is only for

[1:03:42] us to send to you and then the city has

[1:03:45] certain designated officials who review

[1:03:47] it whether it's law enforcement or

[1:03:49] civilians and then I would say in the

[1:03:51] rare circumstance a true crime is

[1:03:54] committed and like a judge orders that

[1:03:57] the the footage being turned over like

[1:04:00] they're really like high levels of

[1:04:02] standards and protocols that need to be

[1:04:04] followed I have seen it like I have seen

[1:04:06] an incident where a child is actually

[1:04:09] hit by a car had a hundred thousand

[1:04:12] dollar medical bill and

[1:04:15] PD actually found who that driver was

[1:04:17] because it was you know a 250 hour

[1:04:20] ticket probably wasn't enough to hold

[1:04:23] that person account so we've had very

[1:04:25] rare instances where legitimate crimes

[1:04:28] are committed and through proper legal

[1:04:30] protocols

[1:04:31] um

[1:04:32] the footage can be obtained on a very

[1:04:34] young differences

[1:04:37] oh thank you thank you for presenting us

[1:04:40] to us um very important topic and with

[1:04:42] safety for students have schools we have

[1:04:45] received many companies Through The

[1:04:47] Years about school bus and and you know

[1:04:49] users of a motor vehicle

[1:04:52] a couple things I want to touch on in

[1:04:53] terms of my hours I've seen some section

[1:04:56] here deal where the city has to review

[1:04:58] the violation the city has to enforce it

[1:05:02] yes and then it has so many houses to

[1:05:04] certify sorticate sort of Affidavit of a

[1:05:08] statement of the document is true and

[1:05:12] then it has to go to court and our city

[1:05:13] staff has to defend that in a court now

[1:05:17] we have to take into consideration that

[1:05:19] all those little bits is going to factor

[1:05:23] in for us a lot of manual from the city

[1:05:25] and we know of a fact that we are

[1:05:27] shortage of Staffing right now so if you

[1:05:31] go to implement this we don't want to

[1:05:32] implement it and then we don't have the

[1:05:34] staff

[1:05:34] to review this documents then it become

[1:05:37] useless so we want to make sure that

[1:05:39] your company you are working with a city

[1:05:41] to make sure that we have adequate

[1:05:44] Staffing to enforce this and if your

[1:05:47] agency can help the city in terms of how

[1:05:49] do we work collaborate between four days

[1:05:52] or something like that the other

[1:05:54] question I want to talk about in terms

[1:05:55] of code is this work to present support

[1:05:57] on the judge or to say that the person

[1:06:00] plead guilty and was to reduce the fine

[1:06:02] do you have accommodation for that okay

[1:06:05] great questions so your first question

[1:06:08] is and I get this question in

[1:06:10] particularly like from a lot of police

[1:06:12] genes because it seems like oh my God

[1:06:15] like we don't have someone that can

[1:06:16] spend someone's going to spend hours

[1:06:17] doing this what I will tell you is one

[1:06:21] we will pay for that if you need to hire

[1:06:24] someone or if you need to repurpose a

[1:06:26] portion of someone's day who works for

[1:06:27] the city whether it's at the PD or a

[1:06:29] civilian we will reimburse you for that

[1:06:31] so you're never coming out of pocket for

[1:06:33] the administration of the program

[1:06:35] second

[1:06:36] in in our experience across the country

[1:06:40] doing this generally speaking a thousand

[1:06:43] school buses in a community requires one

[1:06:46] full-time equivalent so you're probably

[1:06:49] looking at someone at the city needing

[1:06:52] to spend

[1:06:53] at most

[1:06:55] maybe a couple hours a week and I would

[1:06:57] say it's probably going to be less than

[1:06:58] them to to Really administer this

[1:07:00] program so very light lift

[1:07:03] and thirdly again

[1:07:05] um you know we ask you within reason to

[1:07:08] you know not create a you know 500 000

[1:07:10] job and is that what he's doing this so

[1:07:13] someone with a reasonable salary and we

[1:07:15] would uh reimburse that uh person for

[1:07:18] the time spent on the program so like

[1:07:20] let's just say

[1:07:21] you have someone who works 48 hours a

[1:07:23] week but they spend five hours a week on

[1:07:25] the program we would reimburse the city

[1:07:28] for five hours a week for that person's

[1:07:31] salary on the back end with the

[1:07:34] administration in terms of defending the the citations in court like I said

[1:07:40] we provide all the

[1:07:43] um the requisite Corp support so we

[1:07:46] schedule it we do the docket preparation

[1:07:48] we help provide evidence for the city to

[1:07:51] defend

[1:07:52] the citations successfully and that

[1:07:57] usually winds up being a pretty

[1:07:58] diminished cost

[1:08:00] um you know just to to defend it in

[1:08:03] court

[1:08:04] you know what usually we'll have like

[1:08:06] maybe a monthly traffic court where the

[1:08:09] city will tell us this is the day we're

[1:08:11] doing the bus stop camera tickets and

[1:08:13] we'll just you'll give us time slots and

[1:08:15] we'll slot people in so that people know

[1:08:17] when to come and when to show up I mean seeing courts do

[1:08:21] um contestations over Zoom uh across New

[1:08:24] York as another option to make sure that

[1:08:26] people don't have to you know maybe take

[1:08:28] off a whole day of work to go to court

[1:08:30] the second part of your question was

[1:08:33] induced the reducer fund penalty okay

[1:08:39] yeah so that is our interpretation of

[1:08:42] that is that that is not supposed to

[1:08:44] happen because the way it's written in

[1:08:46] New York state law I think it's some

[1:08:49] distinction between whether the law

[1:08:51] calls it a penalty or a fine but

[1:08:54] whatever they call it in the state law

[1:08:55] 1174a judges are are not supposed to

[1:08:59] have the discretion however you have a

[1:09:01] lot of elected judges in like little

[1:09:03] towns and Villages and cities and

[1:09:05] counties all across New York and I

[1:09:07] actually have seen some judges doing

[1:09:10] that

[1:09:11] um and you know at this point we just

[1:09:13] abide by themselves

[1:09:16] so whatever the judge decided in terms

[1:09:20] of the penalty you will take that yes

[1:09:22] the entire violation the fee for the

[1:09:25] violation close that violation yes we're

[1:09:27] going to abide by what the judge says I

[1:09:29] do think it's worth having conversations

[1:09:31] with judges about what's right and wrong

[1:09:33] and some times there are supervising

[1:09:35] judges in counties that have those kinds

[1:09:37] of conversations but I want to make sure

[1:09:38] that you're not going to take that

[1:09:39] whatever was decided before the minute

[1:09:41] relying the city for the original oh no if that's what you're where you're

[1:09:45] going with that the answer to that right

[1:09:47] if the judge says 100 we don't build the

[1:09:49] city the other one yeah that's that's

[1:09:52] not what we do I'm just

[1:09:54] I just I just have one more question

[1:09:56] um and I was just wondering I saw that

[1:09:57] the data on one of the slides with the

[1:10:00] data it did talk about the national

[1:10:02] Pupil Transportation Association yeah I

[1:10:05] was just wondering if the New York State

[1:10:06] Pupil Transportation Association has

[1:10:09] expressed support for okay

[1:10:14] I'm in New Albany and all the

[1:10:17] conferences and just talk I don't I'm

[1:10:20] not sure off the top of my head who your local knife corrupt is but like

[1:10:24] they know bus Patrol really well they

[1:10:26] they're actually the ones who are like

[1:10:28] on the front lines and already getting

[1:10:30] the law passed like they were the ones

[1:10:32] who got it over the Finish Line okay

[1:10:33] thank you

[1:10:35] I was saying Christopher's here okay

[1:10:37] well we love Dave yeah Dave is the

[1:10:39] executive director I was saying I don't

[1:10:41] know who the oh I know you have an owl

[1:10:43] is your transportation director in

[1:10:46] Schenectady City Public Schools Outback

[1:10:48] she's a great guy okay but it's not a

[1:10:51] really question for you is if and when

[1:10:52] we usually when they assign more things

[1:10:54] towards that we're going to need support

[1:10:57] Staffing from the police department and

[1:10:59] the Law Department because this

[1:11:00] primarily is driven with the police

[1:11:03] reviewing the violation the Law

[1:11:05] Department ready to take the case

[1:11:06] increase medically not guilty right and

[1:11:09] so so you want to disting between the

[1:11:11] two agency that primarily going to be

[1:11:14] involved in this implementation

[1:11:18] I just have a quick question if I manage

[1:11:21] um

[1:11:24] since prosecuted right the burdens on

[1:11:27] the city to right should the violation

[1:11:29] happen all right

[1:11:31] um in terms of your support for the city

[1:11:35] in terms of Prosecuting this

[1:11:37] obviously the cloud material is just

[1:11:41] that in the cloud the city gets that

[1:11:44] information I assume there's a date and

[1:11:47] time associated with the violation yes

[1:11:50] um and we would receive an affidavit

[1:11:52] from somebody at bus Patrol stating that

[1:11:55] yes and indicating that there was no

[1:11:59] deficiency in the video it was what it

[1:12:03] purports to be now if somebody wanted to

[1:12:05] I can tell you right now we don't do a

[1:12:07] Bureau for like to adjudicate these it

[1:12:10] actually goes to court and we have to

[1:12:13] call our Witnesses you know like we

[1:12:14] would in you know for a parking ticket

[1:12:16] trial we're calling you know the parking

[1:12:19] attended to come in and testify do you

[1:12:21] if it was required if it was necessary

[1:12:24] for the court do you provide somebody to

[1:12:26] come in we will come in if someone wants

[1:12:29] to challenge the technology in our

[1:12:31] experience that sometimes happens and

[1:12:33] then usually it creates precedent where

[1:12:35] the judge will just refer back to those

[1:12:38] early you know

[1:12:40] um you know objections to the technology

[1:12:42] the New York state law says the video is

[1:12:45] prima fashion evidence of a violation

[1:12:46] occurring so you actually don't need to

[1:12:48] call in like the police officer who

[1:12:51] reviewed the violation that has not been

[1:12:53] my experience across the state of New

[1:12:55] York to this point so it would be it

[1:12:57] would surprise me if the judge required

[1:12:58] it here and and generally speaking you know

[1:13:04] people show up to court and then the

[1:13:07] judge looks at their video and sometimes

[1:13:08] the judge has the video screen up like

[1:13:10] in a room like this and it comes up and

[1:13:13] people generally walk out of the

[1:13:15] courtroom they're ready to kind of you

[1:13:18] know end their end their fight because

[1:13:20] the evidence that the video is pretty

[1:13:23] black and white around what happens

[1:13:26] one more related question

[1:13:28] um in the event somebody doesn't pay

[1:13:30] pleads not guilty so they're not doing a

[1:13:33] pavement plan with with bus Patrol

[1:13:36] records you know fines that they're

[1:13:39] guilty let's say they issue a 250 dollar

[1:13:42] fine fine call penalty call whatever you

[1:13:45] want City gets a civil judgment order

[1:13:47] which we file with the county clerk's

[1:13:49] office we're now in the collections

[1:13:51] phase and we're probably not getting

[1:13:53] paid you know we're chasing after people

[1:13:55] but we're not really I mean for 250 are

[1:13:59] you looking for the city to pay you half

[1:14:01] of that if we have not collected on the

[1:14:03] 250. no it's all we only get paid out of

[1:14:07] collective violation robots so that's I

[1:14:09] want to make sure that folks appreciate

[1:14:12] that so that's one two is I will say

[1:14:14] that depending on the state there are

[1:14:16] mechanisms to incentivize people to to

[1:14:19] pay their unpaid tickets

[1:14:20] um

[1:14:21] uh in New York

[1:14:24] uh so they don't have registration

[1:14:27] tagging in New York I know like in

[1:14:28] Maryland for example you need to renew

[1:14:30] your driver's registration every two

[1:14:32] years and that's usually they don't let

[1:14:33] you renew until you pay your your

[1:14:35] parking tickets and things like that New

[1:14:37] York has a I think it's like if you have

[1:14:39] two or more

[1:14:41] um the cities or communities can have

[1:14:44] certain mechanisms at their disposal

[1:14:45] like you could use a collections agency

[1:14:48] some some of them your car

[1:14:50] I'm not saying I'm advocating for any of

[1:14:53] that it's really a public policy

[1:14:55] decision for the city about what you

[1:14:57] know what what you want to do to

[1:14:59] incentivize people to to pay who have

[1:15:02] been found liable

[1:15:11] would reimburse us for the costs that we

[1:15:14] incur whether it be staff or all of that

[1:15:16] correct but I want to be clear

[1:15:19] let's say do we get 50 of what's

[1:15:21] collected regardless let's say um we get

[1:15:24] 50 and our costs are lower than that are

[1:15:26] you determining our our reimbursement

[1:15:28] based on what we use

[1:15:31] or is it exactly 50 of what's collected

[1:15:33] it's

[1:15:35] so we our standard deal I want to just

[1:15:38] be clear is generally 60 40 in in our

[1:15:41] favor 60 40 in our favor and it's

[1:15:45] because it's really expensive to operate

[1:15:47] this program and we really are providing

[1:15:48] all the staff all I really just Soup To

[1:15:51] Nuts so um I want to be upfront about

[1:15:53] that sure um and

[1:15:56] um you know that's that's our you can

[1:15:57] file all of our contracts or we can

[1:15:59] provide them but that's our contract in

[1:16:01] places like dutches and Monroe and so

[1:16:03] but

[1:16:05] um

[1:16:06] yeah there's no I think what you're

[1:16:08] talking about is is not what we do is

[1:16:10] whatever it costs you to administer the

[1:16:13] program we make you hope for that so and

[1:16:15] but of course that's in good faith right

[1:16:17] like I said it says

[1:16:19] even if you have to like for example

[1:16:22] like let's just say you don't have a

[1:16:24] place for the reviewers to review the

[1:16:26] violations and you do desks or computers

[1:16:28] or Furniture like we will we will

[1:16:30] support those administrative efforts um

[1:16:33] as long as they're reasonable

[1:16:35] all right that's my question thank you

[1:16:37] is there any other question or comments

[1:16:39] so

[1:16:40] um my understanding is that mayor is

[1:16:43] aware of this that you've spoken with

[1:16:44] mayor so I'm not sure where they uh

[1:16:46] where that is at this moment and if

[1:16:48] we're going to need staff that's

[1:16:50] certainly something that needs to be

[1:16:51] discussed with the mayor's office and in

[1:16:53] addition to that the police department

[1:16:55] as well because they're they're going to

[1:16:57] be involved in this on some level so at

[1:16:59] this point in time I would say that we

[1:17:01] really can't move forward until we have

[1:17:02] those further discussions but I do

[1:17:05] appreciate you coming in as I said at

[1:17:06] the beginning

[1:17:07] um

[1:17:08] they I ask that they speak to the school

[1:17:10] district first just to see where they

[1:17:12] were with this before we spent this

[1:17:14] level of

[1:17:15] um time discussing it making sure the

[1:17:17] school district had mine and it's my

[1:17:19] understanding correct that the school

[1:17:20] district that was buying at the school

[1:17:21] district level all right I've seen bio

[1:17:24] for sure I think at the transportation

[1:17:25] level and you know I addressed the

[1:17:28] school board I had wonderful questions

[1:17:29] just like I watched it just all of yours

[1:17:32] work so

[1:17:33] um

[1:17:34] so long as there was a local law in

[1:17:37] place and that's that's sort of the

[1:17:39] balls in the city's Court um

[1:17:41] so at this point in time I think we

[1:17:43] should have those discussions with the

[1:17:44] mayor of the police chief and then we

[1:17:46] could talk about um passing a local law

[1:17:48] okay so I have any back on the agenda

[1:17:50] later date any other questions or I'll

[1:17:53] leave some business cards I have my

[1:17:55] cells on and then my email

[1:17:57] um I know lots and lots of questions

[1:17:59] come up afterwards I'm always here call

[1:18:01] me text me email me I'm happy to answer

[1:18:03] more questions as they come in all right

[1:18:05] thank you very much

[1:18:27] we have a public hearing that was held

[1:18:29] on January the 9th

[1:18:32] and unless it's too great for any update

[1:18:35] that you may have some Department

[1:18:37] development that you can share with us

[1:18:39] [Music]

[1:18:40] um at this point in time we haven't

[1:18:41] received please

[1:18:43] [Music]

[1:18:47] foreign

[1:18:50] at this point in time we haven't

[1:18:52] received any public comments

[1:18:54] um I've come up with a tentative plan

[1:18:56] it's on our website on how we intend to

[1:18:59] categorically allocate the money on the

[1:19:02] next steps for our purposes will be to

[1:19:03] work with cares to get our P process out

[1:19:05] which agencies can apply for

[1:19:09] thank you are there any comments from my

[1:19:11] colleagues with regards to this

[1:19:14] thank you very much

[1:19:24] Excuse Me Miss uh Diaz said that we

[1:19:27] didn't need anything well we didn't need

[1:19:29] anything but there's just one clarify oh

[1:19:31] we have to wait on the alternative

[1:19:33] oh yeah okay okay all right so we didn't

[1:19:36] need to take any in no actually I

[1:19:37] understand it I'm sorry all right any

[1:19:39] other business before Finance

[1:19:43] second all in favor all right

[1:19:47] call the order of government operations

[1:19:49] we have four items on the agenda the

[1:19:52] first one being regarding the frequency

[1:19:54] of a collection of white goods and that

[1:19:56] is

[1:20:01] [Music]

[1:20:03] excuse me

[1:20:07] I'll legislative request form you have

[1:20:08] on Instagram it's just a call for public

[1:20:10] hearing regarding the frequency of the

[1:20:11] collection of white foods like goods are

[1:20:13] defined in the seacoat and as our

[1:20:15] refrigerators washer dryers

[1:20:17] dishwashers

[1:20:19] frequency is weekly and we'd like to see

[1:20:22] a vegan that changed to monthly just

[1:20:24] because of the we really don't have a

[1:20:26] lot of ointments being collected at this

[1:20:27] time to have a truck out there riding

[1:20:29] around so um but they've had that put on

[1:20:32] the frequency of schedules scheduled for

[1:20:34] the trash collection as a monthly event

[1:20:37] for the collection of those kids

[1:20:42] questions and comments on that and they

[1:20:46] were just calling for a public hearing

[1:20:47] so how often how many trucks do we have

[1:20:50] to do this with we have one rack truck

[1:20:52] that goes out with one

[1:20:54] okay for the entire city well for the

[1:20:57] route for that day to Rob okay so yeah

[1:20:59] but we have one talk period so on this

[1:21:02] day this route the one tracker okay

[1:21:05] and right now it's weekly correct in

[1:21:07] this week okay

[1:21:10] when you when you say when you say we

[1:21:13] don't have that many white goods could

[1:21:15] you give us the Scrappers are taking

[1:21:18] away Goods right now also we don't by

[1:21:21] the time we get there our normal route

[1:21:22] most of the time they're gone

[1:21:24] um you know they're

[1:21:27] the scrap prices are very low right now

[1:21:30] um and you know they're out there we

[1:21:33] just like to do this on a monthly event

[1:21:36] put it down on the third collection week

[1:21:38] and and we'll get them picked up and if

[1:21:41] we do get a call we may have enough to

[1:21:43] make it worth our while to go to the

[1:21:46] scrap yard and get some type of scrap

[1:21:48] value for them going out every week and

[1:21:51] picking up a single unit

[1:21:53] you know if we do get that call it's

[1:21:55] there's not a value that's really a cost

[1:21:58] of the city so looking at rescheduling

[1:22:00] for monthly it's appropriate so we're

[1:22:02] fine you're constantly uh looking to

[1:22:04] operate our systems more efficient and

[1:22:07] effectively I appreciate that and it

[1:22:09] seems like this is just based on you

[1:22:11] know you have the truck out there

[1:22:12] that's labor and

[1:22:16] you know funds and things that could be

[1:22:18] kind of directive or different more

[1:22:21] that person's pretty much on standby

[1:22:24] gets a call from the Packers around the

[1:22:26] waste collection guys are out there to

[1:22:28] go to certain address and then we'll

[1:22:30] pick up that and they go back it's just

[1:22:33] it's not efficient you know we can do

[1:22:35] you know when I pick up that month we

[1:22:38] can go out and collect you know truck

[1:22:40] fall if they're out there for us it's

[1:22:42] efficient to do one that whole day it's

[1:22:45] not efficient foreign

[1:22:51] two questions one is

[1:22:53] um how do you plan to communicate this

[1:22:55] out

[1:22:56] um in terms of that it would be once a

[1:22:58] month instead of weekly and the second

[1:23:00] part of that is in giving up garbage

[1:23:03] schedules uh in my neighborhood I'm

[1:23:05] actually on the garbage it is on the

[1:23:07] garbage schedule but um people were

[1:23:08] contacting me back and saying what's a

[1:23:11] white good so I just I know those

[1:23:13] garbage schedules are so packed with

[1:23:16] information is listed in the city code

[1:23:18] currently and you know if if you go to

[1:23:22] seaco you'll know what a white bit is

[1:23:24] the only reason it's brought up is

[1:23:25] unfortunate because we mentioned it yeah

[1:23:27] I'm on the card yeah we brought it up

[1:23:29] and people can call in we do explain

[1:23:31] what the white good is could you refer

[1:23:33] them to the city code but right now we

[1:23:35] are picking up weekly because obviously

[1:23:37] we had a schedule that we had to meet to

[1:23:38] get the new 2023 cards out right right

[1:23:41] so we did put it on there uh it's a

[1:23:43] circle wait to pick up so we want to go

[1:23:46] through the public area

[1:23:48] and we'll be on the schedule but we had

[1:23:50] to really start the schedule back in

[1:23:52] late November to get into the printer

[1:23:54] again no no no I get it

[1:23:56] yeah they're like gold and again

[1:24:00] um you answered most of my questions but

[1:24:02] again thank you for your efficiency and

[1:24:04] this will actually help The Scrappers

[1:24:06] and cut down on them

[1:24:08] every night in every neighborhood

[1:24:12] um rummaging through

[1:24:14] um waking people so I think it's a great

[1:24:16] idea

[1:24:18] maybe we can well they're gonna wake you

[1:24:20] up more because they're gonna have more

[1:24:21] now this is gonna be once once a month

[1:24:24] now

[1:24:27] yeah seriously yeah

[1:24:31] we'll keep that truck loaded we'll move

[1:24:33] that to the scrap yard and scrap yards

[1:24:35] actually they just send the check to the

[1:24:37] city skyview's followers office

[1:24:39] the scrap is going to meet you too that

[1:24:40] they threw up during the night

[1:24:43] but so my other thought is that in terms

[1:24:47] of the word white goods I mean why don't

[1:24:49] you say stoves and refrigerators because

[1:24:51] it's a whole and then you know like in

[1:24:53] parentheses or something so people have

[1:24:55] understanding I mean I get it but you

[1:24:57] know and that's it's not a city's

[1:25:00] connectivity term yeah look at Albany

[1:25:02] yeah that's what they Define you know we can call household appliances no just

[1:25:08] something in front seats I'm not saying

[1:25:09] that just so people understand Clarity

[1:25:11] is always good and when we do the card

[1:25:13] again yeah when we do the card okay we

[1:25:15] have to find a room on a card yeah we

[1:25:16] have trouble trying to make it small

[1:25:17] enough

[1:25:19] to them I'd love that there's so much on

[1:25:22] that card to you know start going bigger

[1:25:25] and a lot of people want to I mean like

[1:25:27] the size of the car because it doesn't

[1:25:29] take a lot of room off exactly exactly

[1:25:31] just just two more ones that's all

[1:25:34] so if they put it out on a not white day

[1:25:38] um will it stay there until the next

[1:25:40] cycle

[1:25:42] so what happens is

[1:25:45] garbage is supposed to be put on a

[1:25:46] specific time yeah not before after two

[1:25:49] o'clock right and we all know

[1:25:51] um because of our Halloween schedule

[1:25:52] people do get confused it's a real look

[1:25:55] outside and say Mrs Smith just put their

[1:25:57] garbage out so it must be garbage and

[1:25:58] they see you know the whole streets

[1:25:59] after garbage truck it's Friday and

[1:26:01] there's a Monday holiday so it's out for

[1:26:02] the whole weekend plus the Monday we try

[1:26:05] to be sympathetic with regards to citing

[1:26:07] people but you know you know one of the

[1:26:10] things is you know to enforce because we

[1:26:12] are in the midst of talking about their

[1:26:14] different things in the city of sanctity

[1:26:16] and the way that

[1:26:18] just like we just heard a presentation

[1:26:20] that if you don't enforce something

[1:26:21] school buses and violators then we don't

[1:26:24] enforce our own codes it's never going

[1:26:26] to change so unfortunately you know Law

[1:26:30] Department we're talking about some

[1:26:31] things that the city codes with you know

[1:26:33] honor me for a certain time than that

[1:26:35] after

[1:26:36] um you know to have garbage out there

[1:26:38] it's picked up it's not out there on

[1:26:40] Friday and we're not doing the money and

[1:26:42] you know there's some things we'd like

[1:26:43] to talk about

[1:26:44] further with regards to waste

[1:26:46] collections but right now we're starting

[1:26:48] just schedule all the way Goods thank

[1:26:51] you

[1:26:52] just a follow-up question so if someone

[1:26:55] were to put out the white goods on a

[1:26:58] regular garbage day but it's not

[1:27:00] designated for white goods They will

[1:27:02] receive a violation They will receive a

[1:27:05] notice it's capabilities

[1:27:07] it's going to be a violation it's a

[1:27:09] violation they're gonna have to pull

[1:27:10] them back in your yard you know one of

[1:27:12] the other things we've talked about is

[1:27:14] and when we write a nuisance violation

[1:27:16] or a

[1:27:19] you know they have so many days to

[1:27:20] correct that violation so if you put

[1:27:22] your garbage out two days early and you

[1:27:24] get three days to correct the violation

[1:27:25] input opportunities you're never going

[1:27:28] to get to the violation so there are

[1:27:30] some things we have to look further in

[1:27:32] our trash collection

[1:27:35] um regulations in the city code to make

[1:27:37] some changes that will help to see

[1:27:39] overall with with later in the

[1:27:41] collection

[1:27:42] [Music]

[1:27:44] school as I say technically we do not

[1:27:47] have to issue a notice of violation when

[1:27:49] somebody's in violation when it comes to

[1:27:50] matters that Mr Lafond just referred to

[1:27:53] just been a habit where we issued where

[1:27:57] yeah

[1:27:58] employee one of the snap guys will issue

[1:28:01] a notice of violation so Mr lafon said

[1:28:03] you can put your trash out right now

[1:28:05] after 2 p.m the day before right so if

[1:28:09] you put your garbage out even the day

[1:28:11] before that so two days before after 2

[1:28:14] p.m and where it's out and even let's

[1:28:16] say it's the morning two days before and

[1:28:19] a member of snap goes out and issues

[1:28:22] that notice of violation saying you have

[1:28:23] one day to correct this well you wait 24

[1:28:27] hours and it's now after 2 p.m the day

[1:28:30] before you're in compliance now without

[1:28:32] having done anything that's the issue

[1:28:35] now you know it's uh as Mr Lafond

[1:28:38] indicated was something we're talking

[1:28:39] about to address because I think we've

[1:28:41] all

[1:28:42] seen the sushi were garbage is out too

[1:28:44] soon and it's a lot of stuff we're not

[1:28:47] talking just like a couple garbage cans

[1:28:49] we're talking about trash right

[1:28:51] Furniture mattresses white you know

[1:28:54] these these white goods

[1:28:56] um so we're obviously looking to address

[1:28:58] this issue I think more comprehensively

[1:29:01] with something that you know we're

[1:29:02] working through to you know hopefully at

[1:29:04] some point come to the council to you

[1:29:06] know for consideration

[1:29:09] so so is there a grace period

[1:29:12] um whenever we change what the way we do

[1:29:15] it is there a great Superior for people

[1:29:16] not getting this violation immediately

[1:29:19] and is there a cost

[1:29:22] um connecting device so you give them a

[1:29:23] violation in like with code enforcement

[1:29:25] I know people come out for certain

[1:29:26] things you get a 50 fee fine

[1:29:29] is there is this attached and fine well

[1:29:31] there will be you know I mean there will

[1:29:34] be what we'll say thanks but there's

[1:29:36] gonna be a period of transition okay

[1:29:38] like right now the schedule says it's

[1:29:40] scheduled and people call them right now

[1:29:42] it's not been approved but we have to

[1:29:44] prepare the schedules in advance

[1:29:46] um and you know if there's any confusion

[1:29:49] and it does need change but we're going

[1:29:50] to collect on a weekly basis because the

[1:29:51] code right now says you know see code

[1:29:53] and there's also you know

[1:29:56] and you should know that you know if

[1:29:58] there's something on there if you look

[1:29:59] at the city code it's defined in the

[1:30:01] city code and we can't Define everything

[1:30:02] on that card we just have to do a quick

[1:30:05] jump start on the car to get it in there

[1:30:08] for 23 season and I

[1:30:11] you know we are not out there to just

[1:30:13] you know start to penalize everybody but

[1:30:15] after you know a couple months there

[1:30:17] should be no they got to be picked up

[1:30:19] yeah we don't we don't get one and this

[1:30:22] is one reason why it's not like we're

[1:30:23] out there every day picking up a truck

[1:30:24] of um appliances and we don't get a

[1:30:27] truck load anymore I mean they're just

[1:30:30] not out there and appliances will ask

[1:30:33] people buy new appliances typically the

[1:30:34] applied saying Lowe's they'll take them

[1:30:37] all away the old ones for you so they're

[1:30:38] moving them it's usually the person the

[1:30:41] homeowner goes and buys them themselves

[1:30:42] and they'll put they're all going to get

[1:30:43] outside and it's not too frequent

[1:30:46] um you know most of the time I mean the

[1:30:49] people you buy your best one they'll

[1:30:51] take the old one away

[1:30:52] so it's

[1:30:54] they don't see a big impact or a lot of

[1:30:57] confusion on it and you know because of

[1:30:59] this change we're going to work with

[1:31:01] everybody thank you

[1:31:05] being responsive to the easier Community

[1:31:07] um

[1:31:12] yeah so I'll accept the motion I'll move

[1:31:16] it second what was in favor

[1:31:19] thank you thank you thank you so just so this is called for public

[1:31:24] hearing yeah

[1:31:27] it's going to be

[1:31:29] um so the council will pass the

[1:31:31] resolution next week yeah that'll be the

[1:31:35] next council meeting after that which I

[1:31:37] believe is in February now so February

[1:31:39] 13th okay our next item on the agenda is is

[1:31:52] the authorize the mayor it doesn't need

[1:31:53] to enter into an agreement with New York

[1:31:56] state division of Homeland Security and

[1:31:57] emergency services to accept fifty

[1:31:59] thousand dollars on federal funding

[1:32:01] um under the FY 2020 cyber security

[1:32:03] grant program uh senior McCarthy

[1:32:07] um

[1:32:16] I think we received this cyber security

[1:32:19] grants from Homeland Security and

[1:32:21] emergency services

[1:32:23] and this uh 50 000

[1:32:27] we can use it to strengthen our cyber

[1:32:30] security so you can get some you know

[1:32:33] like software for The Incident

[1:32:35] Management and training the staff and

[1:32:38] different things what can be worked on

[1:32:42] that's ever seen it

[1:33:06] okay just a reminder

[1:33:09] um

[1:33:09] that the public hearing was held on the

[1:33:12] 9th around article two of the city code

[1:33:15] of garden businesses certificate of use

[1:33:20] in our

[1:33:22] any questions or comments around that

[1:33:24] from my colleagues

[1:33:26] I'll just move it that we um put it move

[1:33:28] it to the agenda

[1:33:31] second second no I was announcements

[1:33:34] okay

[1:33:44] what was the paper hi thank you

[1:33:48] okay and last but not least is a

[1:33:52] discussion of the queen State act

[1:33:54] follow-up of Mr Williams thank you so um

[1:33:57] last meeting we discussed having the

[1:33:59] initial conversations and then we told

[1:34:02] the council that if there were any

[1:34:03] questions or follow-ups we absolutely

[1:34:05] addressed those things to see if there

[1:34:06] are any

[1:34:08] such comments

[1:34:13] [Music]

[1:34:15] if there aren't any I would like to make

[1:34:18] or suggest a motion to

[1:34:22] do the stigma support no no

[1:34:27] did you

[1:34:28] yeah

[1:34:30] but any questions or comments before so

[1:34:34] okay okay

[1:34:35] I'll move it a second that was in favor

[1:34:41] okay I'd like to make a motion to it

[1:34:45] you know the business to come for

[1:34:48] government operations on the agenda okay

[1:34:50] so at this point I'd like to make a

[1:34:53] motion to our general operations

[1:34:55] so second what was a favor

[1:34:59] thank you I'd like to follow the order

[1:35:01] of Community Development and planning we

[1:35:03] have six items on the agenda actually

[1:35:05] three are going to be pulled uh the

[1:35:07] first item on the agenda is to request

[1:35:09] the for authorization to purchase sodium

[1:35:12] chlora rights 2023 for the wastewater

[1:35:15] treatment plant Mr Lafont

[1:35:18] okay

[1:35:25] legislative question I'm funny is to

[1:35:29] purchase organical part which is used

[1:35:30] for disinfection the wastewater

[1:35:31] treatment plant it was out to Great

[1:35:34] competitivity bids we had one no big two

[1:35:38] bidders responded a little bit because

[1:35:41] surface chemicals they were also the

[1:35:43] supplier last year the unfortunate thing

[1:35:46] for the economy was what's going on

[1:35:48] because it roughly 91 increase in the

[1:35:51] cost of sodium point before I eat along

[1:35:53] across the board we'll flash your work

[1:35:55] paying the 1.027 per gallon we are going

[1:35:58] to nucleus we need 1.966 with another 13

[1:36:02] increase in the 13th after the first

[1:36:04] quarter

[1:36:06] so it's unfortunate where things are

[1:36:09] going

[1:36:10] um cost but it is here it is

[1:36:15] charging for the river

[1:36:19] that was below

[1:36:21] any questions

[1:36:24] um

[1:36:28] thank you very much

[1:36:31] okay item number two um

[1:36:35] Mr wall asked that we pulled that item

[1:36:37] from the agenda for tonight and item is

[1:36:41] number three and four of the department

[1:36:42] head is here has also asked that we pull

[1:36:45] those items from the from the agenda

[1:36:46] we've not gone through all the public

[1:36:49] commentary at this point we want to make

[1:36:51] sure that we're through that before the

[1:36:52] council takes any action on it

[1:36:56] properties

[1:37:07] okay just want to be clear that um my

[1:37:11] understanding of items number five and

[1:37:13] six because these are public entities do

[1:37:15] not be need to be excuse me executive

[1:37:18] session that's correct

[1:37:21] um

[1:37:46] 1025 Congress Street is a private sale

[1:37:50] the other sale is

[1:37:54] um the the offer or here is Habitat for

[1:37:59] Humanity obviously there is a purchase

[1:38:01] offer certainly within the council's

[1:38:03] discretion to

[1:38:05] um do both in public there's no

[1:38:07] requirements that you do both an

[1:38:10] executive section it's certainly

[1:38:11] possible that you can do particularly 10

[1:38:14] 25 Congress and executive soccer and you

[1:38:16] can do the other one the vacant lot of

[1:38:18] Avenue a

[1:38:19] um in public if you'd like

[1:38:23] because it still does involve an offer

[1:38:26] price and a good potential negotiating a

[1:38:29] sale price for a property okay so I'd

[1:38:32] like to err on the side of caution

[1:38:35] executive sessions

[1:38:52] all right we're recessed

[1:38:55] Miss Patrick oh now I'll make a motion

[1:38:59] to go into executive session

[1:39:03] oh I'm sorry I was just knowing that we

[1:39:06] probably were going to go into I would

[1:39:08] now like to open claims we have three

[1:39:10] items on the agenda and we need to

[1:39:13] discuss those in executive session so

[1:39:15] I'll entertain a motion to go into a

[1:39:16] secular session

[1:39:27] thank you

[1:39:32] [Music]

Schenectady City Council Committee Meeting, January 17, 2023

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