Schenectady City Council Meeting, August 14, 2023

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[7:15] calling to order the city Caucus meeting
[7:17] for Monday August 14 2023
[7:21] we have one public hearing this evening
[7:23] if the clerk would please read
[7:26] public hearing number one establishing a
[7:28] six-month moratorium on the submission
[7:30] and processing of building permits
[7:32] certificate of occupancy certificate of
[7:34] use and land use approvals for a smoke
[7:37] shop vape shops and tobacco tobacco or
[7:40] vape consumption businesses within the
[7:42] city of Schenectady
[7:44] we have eight items for original
[7:45] consideration if the clerk would please
[7:47] read item number one item number one for
[7:49] final consideration an ordinance
[7:51] pursuant to section 101 of the second
[7:53] class cities law abandoning a portion of
[7:55] large Street
[7:57] discussed and committee with objection
[7:58] on consent item number two item number
[8:01] two for original consideration a
[8:02] resolution authorizing the city to enter
[8:04] into a contract with New York state
[8:06] division of criminal justices to secure
[8:08] give grant funding discussed in
[8:10] committee with objection on consent item
[8:12] number three item number three for
[8:14] original consideration a resolution
[8:15] authorizing the city to enter into a
[8:17] contract with New York state division of
[8:19] criminal justices
[8:21] to secure research and evaluation grant
[8:24] funding regarding the community hiring
[8:25] panel discussed in committee with an
[8:27] objection on consent item number four for original
[8:31] consideration a resolution revoking the
[8:33] appropriation of American Rescue plan
[8:35] act arpa funds for the construction of
[8:37] the capital region Aquatic Center as
[8:40] authorized by resolution 2022-14 and
[8:43] amended by resolution
[8:45] 2023-029 discussed in committee with
[8:48] objection on consent item number five for original
[8:52] consideration a resolution authorizing
[8:54] the settlement of a claim by Carol riggy
[8:56] discussed and committed without
[8:58] objection on consent item number six for original
[9:02] consideration a resolution recognizing
[9:04] 2023 black business month this item will
[9:07] be taken out of order and presented by
[9:09] councilman Williams item number seven for original
[9:13] consideration and resolution authorizing
[9:15] the issuance of revocable permit number
[9:17] 677 to Herbies burgers for a sign with
[9:20] accent lighting in an online they were
[9:22] overhang the cities right away at 175 J
[9:25] Street discussed in committee with the
[9:27] objection on consent item number eight for original
[9:31] consideration a resolution awarding the
[9:33] bid in contract for the Schenectady
[9:35] Municipal Golf Course irrigation system
[9:37] installation base bid and add alternate
[9:40] number one to George E lay company in
[9:43] the amount of three million three
[9:45] hundred and fifty two thousand nine
[9:47] hundred and thirty four dollars and
[9:48] twenty one cents discuss some committee
[9:50] with objection on consent if there's
[9:52] nothing more to come before the city
[9:53] council caucus I would ask for a motion
[9:55] to adjourn movement Miss Patrick second
[9:57] by Mr Williams all those in favor we are
[10:00] adjourned I'd like to call to order the
[10:02] city council meeting
[10:03] for Monday Monday August 14 2023
[10:08] and I'd like to call on Pastor Mark
[10:09] Thompson for the prayer invocation
[10:18] Eternal God our Father we thank you
[10:20] again for the favors of this day and how
[10:21] you've blessed us and kept us father we
[10:24] thank you for
[10:26] the reason why we are called here today
[10:27] taking care of the business of the city
[10:29] of Schenectady we give honor to the
[10:32] mayor of this city councilman Porter
[10:33] Phil all those elected officials and
[10:35] everyone in their respective places
[10:36] father we pray that you bless them and
[10:38] Grant them your wisdom because they
[10:40] might be the stewards of this city Lord
[10:42] God the caretakers of this city and the
[10:44] service of the city father I ask a
[10:46] special blessing upon each of them as
[10:48] they lay things aside to do the business
[10:49] of the city take care of the things that
[10:51] they've laid aside while they are here
[10:53] to do your business father B Grant your
[10:55] wisdom Grant your provision and Grant
[10:58] your leadership into this place father
[11:00] last but not least we send our hearts
[11:02] and prayers out to the people in Hawaii
[11:05] right now who are suffering great loss
[11:07] but act that you would be with them as
[11:08] you are here with us we ask these things
[11:10] in Jesus name amen amen as a
[11:13] councilwoman Patrick to lead us in the
[11:15] pledge
[11:16] Allegiance
[11:18] United States
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[11:30] thank you
[11:35] if the clerk would please complete the
[11:36] Roll Call
[11:38] with tavarian is absent Mr Toro Mr
[11:42] Farley
[11:43] Mr Williams
[11:45] Miss Patrick
[11:47] Mr palamini is absent Miss Porterfield
[11:50] here thank you
[11:54] hold on one second oh thank you
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[12:06] I think
[12:07] that's on us it's ours okay
[12:19] is lost
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[12:25] okay
[12:27] I'd like to ask the clerk to read any
[12:29] Communications and petitions
[12:36] Communications presented to city council
[12:39] for Monday August 14 2023 under official
[12:42] there were none under General there was
[12:44] an email from Emily treforest and in
[12:47] opposition to a proposed Bill in
[12:49] Congress to raise the federal weight
[12:51] limit of heavy trucks on the nation's
[12:53] roads
[12:54] under petitions there was a petition of
[12:57] 22 signatures for sidewalk improvements
[12:59] and special assessment District on
[13:01] McLennan McClellan
[13:05] thank you and saw council members for
[13:08] any committee reports
[13:14] we do have one public I'm sorry we do
[13:17] have one out of order resolution
[13:21] and we asked councilman Williams to
[13:22] present that
[13:35] foreign
[13:42] we have Asia priests unique priests
[13:46] Mrs if you could join us behind the rail
[13:49] Mrs Thompson
[13:51] Yaya
[13:58] all right Kenneth Brooks If Kenneth's
[14:00] here and Tanika Smith
[14:17] beautiful beautiful but before I begin
[14:18] I'd like to First say how privilege and
[14:20] honor I am to be presenting this
[14:22] resolution to you all today and to all
[14:24] the other businesses that have not
[14:25] joined us tonight may I have the floor
[14:27] you may so I'll be presenting a
[14:29] resolution recognizing the 2023 national
[14:32] black business month
[14:33] whereas black business month is
[14:35] celebrated in August it is a time to
[14:37] acknowledge and appreciate black owned
[14:39] businesses Across the Nation and all
[14:41] that they represent in the country's
[14:42] continual striving for diversity and
[14:44] equality black business month provides
[14:47] an opportunity to focus
[14:49] on a community that is far too often
[14:51] underrepresented when it comes to access
[14:53] to Capital and opportunities to build
[14:55] wealth and whereas the history of black
[14:57] business month can be traced back to the
[14:59] year 2004 when engineering entrepreneur
[15:01] Frederick e Jordan partnered with the
[15:04] president and executive editor of this
[15:06] scholarly Publishing Company e-access
[15:08] Corporation John William Templeton to
[15:11] start this annual event their intention
[15:13] was to drive the policy agenda affecting
[15:15] the 2.6 million African-American
[15:18] businesses in order to highlight and
[15:20] Empower black business owners everywhere
[15:23] given the continued challenges faced by
[15:26] black business owners
[15:27] and whereas since the late 1700s both
[15:30] free and enslaved black people began to
[15:33] open their own small businesses from
[15:35] barber shops to tobacco shops and
[15:37] shoemaking as emancipation grew so did
[15:40] the establishment of black owned
[15:41] businesses and this led to the period
[15:43] between 1900 and 1930 being labeled as
[15:46] the Golden Age of black owned businesses
[15:49] and whereas this historic annual event
[15:51] provides a chance for consumers and
[15:53] Proprietors to not only support black
[15:55] businesses but provide them with a
[15:57] platform to grow their own their
[15:59] Enterprises and build wealth for current
[16:02] and future generations of African
[16:04] Americans celebrating the contribution
[16:06] of black business owners and
[16:07] entrepreneurs pays homage to them and
[16:10] their legacies and celebrating this
[16:12] month recognizes the importance of black
[16:14] owned businesses when it comes to
[16:16] contributing to the nation's economy as
[16:18] well
[16:19] and whereas the value of
[16:20] Entrepreneurship has long been a major
[16:22] influence in the black community today
[16:24] approximately 10 percent of All American
[16:27] businesses are black owned the primary
[16:29] sectors in which black-owned businesses
[16:31] operate include Health Care Social Work
[16:33] repair and maintenance beauty salons
[16:36] restaurants barber shops arts and
[16:38] entertainment and the list continues to
[16:40] grow
[16:41] and whereas black business month ensures
[16:43] that black owned businesses get the
[16:45] recognition and patronage that they so
[16:47] richly deserve especially those that are
[16:49] struggling to stay afloat
[16:51] celebrating black owned businesses
[16:53] empowers more people from the
[16:54] African-American communities to dream
[16:56] big and begin their own entrepreneurial
[16:58] Journey
[16:59] and whereas when you choose to support
[17:01] black owned businesses you are
[17:03] supporting black pride unity and kuji
[17:06] jacquelia or self-determination black
[17:09] entrepreneurship is a tool for survival
[17:12] now therefore be it resolved that the
[17:14] Schenectady city council and Mayor Gary
[17:16] R McCarthy do hereby pause in our
[17:18] deliberations to recognize black
[17:20] business month and the city of
[17:21] Schenectady and encourages all residents
[17:24] to support black owned businesses in the
[17:26] city of Schenectady the capital region
[17:28] and at every other opportunity I'd like
[17:30] to move the resolution
[17:31] in a second by Mr Farley all those in favor
[17:37] aye aye congratulations the motion
[17:39] passes
[17:40] [Applause]
[17:51] um yes no
[17:55] you're so excited okay
[18:01] and please please I would love for you
[18:03] all to share some words uh of
[18:05] encouragement and also of your journey
[18:06] if you wouldn't mind
[18:08] hello everybody I'm Asia priest this is
[18:11] unique priests and kahin priest we are
[18:13] accepting this award in regards to our
[18:15] brother DJ ketchup and ketchup
[18:16] Enterprise which is us we are check
[18:19] ketchup Enterprise we are black business
[18:21] we are Schenectady and we want to say
[18:23] we're thankful for the recognition that
[18:25] you're giving us and we just strive to
[18:27] do better for our community and for the
[18:30] ones beneath you know underneath us that
[18:32] are looking up to us
[18:33] and we're just appreciative that you
[18:36] guys have taken this time to pass this
[18:37] and
[18:38] we love you thank you
[18:40] [Applause]
[18:45] truly I think it's an honor and a
[18:48] privilege to be able to stand here and
[18:51] represent little yayas located in the
[18:55] city of Schenectady at 135 Broadway and
[18:58] I truly think the council and I think
[19:01] the mayor for recognizing that Yaya's
[19:05] a mom-and-pop business
[19:07] a black owned business
[19:10] for this area for such a time as this is
[19:14] able to still be standing after seven
[19:16] years
[19:17] I think it's a wonderful thing that
[19:19] we're doing down there and I and I just
[19:21] think my team my team is here so I think
[19:24] and my husband who's my biggest
[19:27] supporter for Yaya's house I appreciate
[19:30] and I really really thank you for the
[19:34] [Applause]
[19:40] um thank you so much city of Schenectady
[19:43] my name is Kenneth Brooks I represent
[19:46] Community fathers ground up Landscaping
[19:49] cuts and blends Barbershop
[19:51] and uh
[19:54] o-i-o-i which stands for occupations
[19:56] instead of incarceration that's a
[19:58] program we started with Community
[19:59] fathers because when I was a youth uh
[20:03] what kept me out of trouble was gaining
[20:05] self-worth and being able to help out
[20:07] and feed my family help my mom help my
[20:09] sisters help my siblings
[20:11] so I knew that that was the opportunity
[20:14] and that's what I wanted to do with my
[20:15] life to provide that same path for the
[20:17] Youth that follows me so there's one
[20:21] youth who's not here who works with me
[20:22] his name is Yaya Yasir Washington he
[20:25] actually became my youth because he was
[20:28] appointed to me as like you know a big
[20:30] brother because he was getting in
[20:31] trouble in school so it started from me
[20:34] going to his house under a mentorship to
[20:37] him being one of my finest best workers
[20:39] he's like a son to me and my operations
[20:41] manager David Cooper he's not here
[20:43] that's my childhood friend we've been
[20:45] friends since we was 12 years old we
[20:47] came from a group home so uh the support
[20:50] of the city the family the
[20:53] not-for-profits in Schenectady the mayor
[20:55] the people of Schenectady the city of
[20:58] Schenectady supporting my business and
[21:01] supporting me and bringing me to where I
[21:03] am today there's David Cooper operations
[21:06] manager right there
[21:07] thank you uh my business would not have
[21:10] grown through trials and tribulations
[21:12] through you know uh pluses and minuses
[21:15] with the support and the help and the
[21:18] love of everybody in this room everybody
[21:20] in Schenectady I was able to grow and be
[21:22] successful and I appreciate everybody
[21:24] thank you
[21:28] my name is Tanika Smith I'm with kitchen
[21:31] love and Kenneth is my fiance I say with
[21:35] a good team you can get anything done
[21:37] and I think that's what Schenectady is a
[21:40] great team to have access to everything
[21:42] that we need in order to grow in order
[21:45] to do in order to give back you can have
[21:47] any lemonade stand as my cliche verbiage
[21:50] but to know what it takes to do that and
[21:53] the limit how much they cost and how
[21:55] much that uh support you need from the
[21:57] community in order to be able to sell is
[22:00] definitely a difference and I thank you
[22:02] Schenectady for allowing me to do that
[22:04] and give back because it's not just
[22:06] about being here it's about giving back
[22:07] also and teaching the youth as well but
[22:10] thank you so much
[22:13] can I say one thing there is one black
[22:16] owned business that's here that's not
[22:18] standing up and I just want to
[22:20] appreciate her because she's a wonderful
[22:22] person and that's the dandelion that's
[22:24] Pauline Saunders and she has a black
[22:26] owned business
[22:27] thank you
[22:32] and I just wanted to recognize her
[22:34] myself
[23:11] I just need to go down
[23:34] one two
[23:36] three and don't move the library
[24:03] okay all right and everybody everybody
[24:27] thank you
[24:54] we do have one public hearing this
[24:56] evening
[25:03] we have one public hearing this evening
[25:05] and just a reminder that we've extended
[25:07] the public hearing public comment
[25:09] hearing time to four minutes and I also
[25:12] respectfully ask the first people
[25:14] speaking only speak to the topic of the
[25:17] public hearing number one
[25:24] establishing a six-month moratorium on
[25:26] the submission and processing of
[25:28] building permits certificates of
[25:29] occupancy certificates of use and land
[25:32] use approvals for smoke shops vape shops
[25:34] and tomato and tobacco or vape
[25:38] consumption businesses within the city
[25:39] of Schenectady
[25:41] I have four people signed up to speak
[25:44] the first person is Jeannie Orr
[25:53] good evening my name is Jeannie Orr I'm
[25:55] a Schenectady County resident and a
[25:56] program manager for Capital District
[25:58] tobacco-free communities we're a New
[26:00] York State Department of Health funded
[26:02] program that covers Schenectady Albany
[26:03] and Redstone counties
[26:05] and our goal is to improve the health of
[26:07] our communities by creating environments
[26:09] that decrease exposure to second-hand
[26:11] smoke that support smokers who want to
[26:13] quit and prevent young people from Ever
[26:15] starting because we know that tobacco is
[26:17] still the number one cause of
[26:20] preventable death and disease
[26:22] as you consider a moratorium on vape and
[26:25] smoke shops in the city of Schenectady I
[26:27] wanted to provide you with some facts
[26:29] according to the Surgeon General there's
[26:31] overwhelming evidence that the more
[26:33] young people see tobacco the more likely
[26:35] they are to start smoking tobacco
[26:38] companies spend a half million dollars
[26:39] every day aggressively marketing tobacco
[26:42] products including e-cigarettes in
[26:43] stores throughout New York state with
[26:45] colorful walls and tobacco products
[26:47] special discounts and other marketing
[26:49] materials all of which are highly
[26:51] appealing to youth
[26:53] in Schenectady County the amount of
[26:55] tobacco marketing that residents
[26:56] including young people are exposed to
[26:58] depends on where they live
[27:00] we graph the density of tobacco
[27:02] retailers in Schenectady County by ZIP
[27:04] code and observed a very obvious trend
[27:08] I have graphs here that I can distribute
[27:10] to you afterwards but you will see on
[27:12] this graph
[27:13] that the zip codes with the highest
[27:16] poverty rate 12304 05 and O7 have the
[27:21] highest density of tobacco retailers
[27:23] compared to Niskayuna which has the
[27:25] lowest poverty rate Hamilton Hill with
[27:28] the highest poverty rate has more than
[27:30] five times the tobacco retailers per
[27:32] capita
[27:33] we also looked at where these tobacco
[27:36] retailers are located with their within
[27:37] the various zip codes
[27:39] specifically we looked at how many were
[27:41] located within 1500 feet of a school
[27:45] in Schenectady County of the 173
[27:48] licensed tobacco retailers 53 or 31 are
[27:52] within 1500 feet of a school
[27:54] in the city of Schenectady 41 of the 111
[27:58] or 37 are within 1500 feet of schools
[28:02] Hamilton Elementary School has 10
[28:04] licensed tobacco retailers within 1500
[28:07] feet of its property the most of any
[28:09] school in the county
[28:11] we also looked at smoke and vape shops
[28:13] that are separate from just regular
[28:16] licensed tobacco retailers which include
[28:17] convenience stores and they we found
[28:19] that five were located within 1500 feet
[28:21] of a school
[28:23] and in the spring of 2019 our staff held
[28:26] four neighborhood conversations with 40
[28:27] residents living in the city of
[28:29] Schenectady and one of the questions we
[28:31] asked participants was whether they
[28:32] thought limiting the number of tobacco
[28:34] retailers in the neighborhoods would
[28:35] make a difference
[28:37] and here's some of what we recorded in
[28:39] their own words
[28:41] kids shouldn't see tobacco marketing I
[28:43] want my babies I don't want my babies to
[28:45] start I think they should take it out of
[28:47] the neighborhoods cold turkey if kids
[28:49] don't see it they're less likely to
[28:51] start it
[28:52] I think the harder it is if you've got
[28:55] to walk them out to get it you might
[28:56] think about taking that walk
[28:58] we also asked what these Schenectady
[29:01] residents want to see less of and more
[29:03] of in their communities and again in
[29:05] their own words they said Les Bodega
[29:07] selling bootleg cigarettes
[29:09] corner stores look mostly abandoned
[29:11] there are more cigarette choices than
[29:13] candy
[29:14] everything that's killing us in our
[29:16] neighborhood we want to see less of put
[29:18] a cap on the number of stores selling
[29:19] tobacco
[29:20] they wanted a real neighborhood with
[29:22] everything you need in one place a good
[29:24] Park in Hamilton Hill things for people
[29:27] for kids to do basketball courts Fields
[29:29] pool Recreation Center positive things
[29:32] more stuff for families to do it deters
[29:34] young people from smoking when they take
[29:36] care of themselves
[29:38] we released a full report in 2020
[29:40] detailing our conversations along with
[29:43] the data around tobacco marketing and
[29:44] Schenectady this report titled
[29:46] addressing tobacco use Health inequities
[29:49] in the county of Schenectady is
[29:50] available on our website
[29:51] smokefreecapital.org
[29:54] and I can also send you a link along
[29:56] with the data I just mentioned tonight
[29:58] please feel to contact me with any
[30:00] questions you may have thank you so much
[30:02] and I do have the graphs
[30:06] thank you
[30:09] Genevieve Hart
[30:17] hello my name is Genevieve I've lived in
[30:19] Schenectady County for most of my life
[30:20] and I am a member of the reality check
[30:22] Capital District faculty communities
[30:25] growing up I learned about the dangers
[30:26] of smoking in school and at home like
[30:28] most children do but in the stores and
[30:31] in the media smoking and eventually
[30:32] vaping were constantly advertised to me
[30:34] this year I'm going to be a junior in
[30:36] high school for years vaping has been a
[30:38] problem in school the administration
[30:40] struggles to solve the issue because
[30:42] when you take away the Vape the student
[30:43] usually has another one at home or can
[30:44] easily get another one in the last few
[30:46] years the problem has gotten much worse
[30:48] every Locker break during homeroom
[30:50] during lunch and after school sports
[30:52] games there are students vaping in the
[30:53] bathroom it's almost a given now that
[30:56] anytime I use the restroom during the
[30:57] school day at least one of the Stalls
[30:59] will be taken up by a group of girls
[31:00] vaping
[31:01] smell of cotton candy or mango fills the
[31:03] bathroom and the hallway outside and
[31:05] lately it's not just vaping occasionally
[31:07] you'll walk into the bathroom and be
[31:09] greeted with the smell of marijuana or
[31:10] even cigarette smoke every one of my
[31:12] teenage peers sees vaping at school
[31:15] every single day even my younger brother
[31:17] who is 12 years old comes home from
[31:19] school some days detailing his
[31:20] experience smelling Vape or even
[31:22] marijuana in the middle school bathrooms
[31:24] he's 12 and he can't go to school
[31:26] without smelling drugs in the bathroom
[31:28] the most heartbreaking part of it for me
[31:30] is when I see my friends and my peers
[31:32] becoming addicted to nicotine as a
[31:33] result of vaping and the downward spiral
[31:35] that their life takes as a result of
[31:37] their Addiction in middle school I was
[31:39] an advanced math class with a boy who
[31:41] was smart kind and motivated and we were
[31:43] very good friends however he began to
[31:45] hang out with a group of kids who were
[31:46] vaping I expressed my concern to him
[31:48] about the issue but he brushed it off
[31:49] because Vapes aren't as dangerous as
[31:51] cigarettes within less than a year I
[31:53] watched them become addicted to his Vape
[31:54] drop out of advanced classes get
[31:56] suspended and then he even began selling
[31:58] Vapes himself to other middle schoolers
[32:00] my other friends and I watched
[32:01] hopelessly as he lost interest in life
[32:03] and closed himself off from us but what
[32:05] were we supposed to do he was in too
[32:07] deep and he wouldn't listen to a word we
[32:08] said for that old friend of mine the
[32:10] spiral continues he is still vaping
[32:11] today years later addictions are hard to
[32:13] break and he's just a kid
[32:15] the way that Vapes and other tobacco
[32:16] products are marketed often targets
[32:18] young people and disturbingly resembles
[32:20] candy packaging is bright and colorful
[32:22] and the products come in flavors such as
[32:24] strawberry watermelon and blue raspberry
[32:25] such flavors and products you could also
[32:28] find packaging Styles you could also
[32:30] find in the candy aisle
[32:31] as marketing tactic only feeds into the
[32:33] narrative that for years has been spread
[32:35] by tobacco sellers that Vapes and other
[32:37] form of tobacco are less dangerous than
[32:38] cigarettes though in some cases this
[32:40] might be true Vapes in particular still
[32:42] contain dangerous chemicals that can
[32:44] still kill you these harmful drugs are
[32:46] foremost very accessible seeing as
[32:47] they're found in gas stations and corner
[32:49] stores that are within walking distance
[32:50] from schools and homes regulating the
[32:52] retailers of tobacco and vape products
[32:54] along with advertising and paraphernalia
[32:56] of these products could expose less to
[32:57] the manipulative marketing tactics that
[32:59] trick people into believing that they're
[33:00] safe and hopefully there will be yes
[33:02] less young people like my friend who
[33:04] became addicted to nicotine at such a
[33:06] young age thank you for your time
[33:08] thank you
[33:12] Rock Creek Caldwell hope I got your
[33:15] first name right
[33:26] hello everyone my name is
[33:31] I live in also reside in the city of
[33:33] Schenectady
[33:34] well I'm sorry I live in also work
[33:36] within the city of Schenectady my
[33:38] apologies I'm very nervous
[33:41] um so basically I was raised in a family
[33:44] with
[33:45] basically smoking with nothing but
[33:48] smokers within my family my mother
[33:51] smoked my father's smoke my grandmother
[33:53] smoked my great-grandmother smoked
[33:56] um
[33:58] and
[34:00] due to the fact that that cigarettes
[34:03] were basically a norm within my family I
[34:06] bought my first pack of cigarettes at
[34:08] the age of 18.
[34:10] less than 10 years later I was like
[34:13] diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism
[34:16] which I had a clot in my lung
[34:19] um
[34:20] at the time I had one choice
[34:23] which was to con
[34:25] stop smoking and be there for my my
[34:28] children my fault daughters
[34:30] which I did
[34:32] and
[34:34] you know I'm here today
[34:36] just to
[34:38] just an advocate for
[34:40] individuals like myself
[34:43] um that experience a hardship from
[34:47] smoking tobacco products
[34:51] um
[34:54] and also
[34:57] I'm hoping that you know my story can
[35:00] make a change or a difference in someone
[35:01] else's life
[35:03] also
[35:05] you know as I said I'm a mother of four
[35:09] so
[35:11] showing
[35:14] sorry
[35:15] I'm a mother of four and
[35:18] it's very important for me to be the
[35:22] change that I that I that my family need
[35:25] basically the generational chain breaker
[35:28] you know I thank God that I'm standing
[35:31] here today
[35:32] um years ago I woke up coughing up blood
[35:35] and I had no choice but to live for my
[35:39] kids and you know
[35:43] especially like in regards to the well
[35:47] at that time I was a menthol smoker you
[35:50] know now they have other flavors
[35:52] of tobacco products you know which
[35:56] it's like
[35:59] it's just you know it's horrible and I
[36:02] you know I'm just here today just to
[36:05] tell my story
[36:07] um and you know thank you guys for your
[36:10] time
[36:10] sorry thank you
[36:13] [Applause]
[36:19] P divorce
[36:33] um I'm just going to talk about the
[36:35] Practical side of this because I've been
[36:37] listening to the committee meeting and
[36:39] you all know what you're going to be
[36:40] facing there are people already
[36:42] participating in some of these venues
[36:46] smokeless cigarettes and all those
[36:49] different forms I'm just not that
[36:51] acquainted with it but I know they're
[36:53] around and I see people using them and
[36:55] thinking I've heard that there's even
[36:57] like a hundred different flavors and
[37:02] peanut butter still King but anyway
[37:05] you know you're going to run into
[37:08] problems with people who have been doing
[37:10] this for their lifestyle their income
[37:14] and so practically speaking you've had
[37:18] very good discussions about what's going
[37:21] to happen you know what's going to
[37:22] happen there are going to be people who
[37:26] are going to
[37:27] come forth and present it to the city I
[37:31] mean it's just like Mr kosher with this
[37:33] plastic straws nobody's arresting
[37:37] stewards for plastic straws
[37:40] the
[37:41] but anyway
[37:43] um
[37:44] you know there's going to be a lot of
[37:46] contention in section number five
[37:49] section one says there will be
[37:52] exceptions so right there
[37:54] whatever you say is going to
[37:57] give the onus to those with exceptions
[38:02] and
[38:03] there's a payback for it I think there
[38:07] may even be a remuneration for
[38:09] embarrassment and it depends on how far
[38:13] you go with this
[38:15] whether you actively participate in
[38:19] stopping people from participating in
[38:23] the buying of these things I wouldn't
[38:25] want to be the one to walk up to
[38:28] somebody who wants to do business there
[38:30] and start a
[38:32] chastising them about what they're doing
[38:35] so but you've had some very good
[38:37] discussions on this you know it's going
[38:39] to be a big problem
[38:40] and what's government for
[38:45] thank you
[38:48] I have no one else signed up to speak so
[38:50] I declare the public hearing that I
[38:52] declare the public hearing closed
[38:57] ask for approved
[38:59] I asked for approval of minutes for July
[39:01] 24 2023
[39:03] moved by Mr Williams second by Miss
[39:05] Patrick all those in favor
[39:07] aye
[39:09] this time we'll have privilege of the
[39:11] floor related to the legislative agenda
[39:13] I see three people signed up to speak
[39:16] uh the first person Neil golub
[39:24] thank you it's my pleasure to be here
[39:26] today I would just say everybody's
[39:29] sitting up front it's very hard to hear
[39:30] you speak and it comes through in a very
[39:34] garbled way in the back so I would
[39:36] suggest people try to project themselves
[39:38] I want to talk about the
[39:42] Aquatic Center which is being planned
[39:45] for Schenectady about a year ago the
[39:47] lady who was heading up
[39:49] came to me and asked for my opinion and
[39:53] I thought I liked the idea very much
[39:54] we're pattering it after Greensboro
[39:57] which has had an enormous impact on
[40:00] their business community and the message
[40:02] I want to deliver to all of Schenectady
[40:04] is that the benefit of the Aquatic
[40:07] Center which would be built in in
[40:09] Rotterdam because it's the only place
[40:11] available all of the benefit in business
[40:14] will come to Schenectady hotels will be
[40:17] loaded restaurants will be loaded
[40:19] businesses will be will be bending
[40:23] we've seen in Greensboro you know 120
[40:26] 000 people coming into town over a
[40:28] period of time
[40:30] Greensboro has benefited so dramatically
[40:33] from having the Aquatic Center in town
[40:36] that we should take a very close look
[40:39] and before Schenectady says well that's
[40:41] not us recognize that the major business
[40:45] economic benefit will accrue to
[40:48] Schenectady New York because all of our
[40:51] restaurants and all of our hotels and
[40:54] all of our entertainment is downtown and
[40:57] all of that comes back to us so please
[40:59] consider your decision about supporting
[41:02] it very carefully thank you for hearing
[41:04] me thank you
[41:09] P.D Boris
[41:21] well
[41:23] again let's say
[41:25] number two you're taking in 481
[41:29] 687 and number three you're taking in 49
[41:34] 977 of County Legislature last week took
[41:40] in one a quarter million dollars so
[41:44] keep trying
[41:46] uh
[41:48] also
[41:51] um
[41:53] regarding the award
[41:56] the ceremonial reward there's uh I went
[42:01] to a meeting the other night about
[42:02] zoning from a to X
[42:06] Y and Z were left out
[42:08] big things are going to happen in
[42:10] Hamilton Hill huge it's just starting
[42:13] and you didn't even speak to the address
[42:16] of person that started it all about a
[42:20] year or two ago when the y'all got
[42:23] together on the properties up there and
[42:26] they uh
[42:28] new
[42:30] rentals huge rental spaces up there so
[42:34] if you really want to see something
[42:36] that's challenging and go back to the
[42:39] zoning meeting committee meeting on a a
[42:43] through X
[42:44] no y and z
[42:46] so there's a project going to start
[42:49] there that'll employ a lot of people
[42:52] from some place and for several years to
[42:57] come I've drove every one of those
[43:00] addresses the other day and saw reptiles
[43:04] rodents just it was scary very scary I
[43:09] saw things up there that should be fine
[43:11] and they have gone to seed there's
[43:14] somebody your bus was up there I took
[43:16] two pictures of your bus uh the boys
[43:20] girls club it's a mess Burrell Park
[43:23] third time I've been I've seen
[43:26] Renovations there the first time they
[43:29] surrendered the court with fence for
[43:31] basketball the second time they went and
[43:34] redid the the field room and the
[43:38] bathroom and put fences around that now
[43:41] all of it's been demoed and they're
[43:43] going to have a splash park so think on
[43:47] these things and also the money being
[43:50] used for the golfing I think to play at
[43:54] a municipal golf course cost fifteen
[43:58] hundred dollars a year to play there
[44:03] as a member of the municipality
[44:06] extraordinary
[44:10] thank you thank you
[44:13] Justin cherish
[44:24] how we doing thank you for having me and
[44:26] allowing me speak this evening I want to
[44:27] speak on the resolution that allows the
[44:29] city to enter into contract New York
[44:31] state division of Criminal Justice to
[44:33] secure the regarding Grant funds uh that
[44:36] is with the community new hire panel I
[44:38] just want to say thank you to all the
[44:39] council and the mayor for considering
[44:40] going into contract with CDG to get the
[44:45] con the grant money for it for those
[44:47] that don't know what the new hire panel
[44:48] does it vets all of the young officers
[44:51] that want to come into SPD so it is one
[44:53] of the initiatives that we started that
[44:56] allows us to work with SPD to Chief
[44:59] Clifford and the other sergeants there
[45:01] that have set in to bring in a group of
[45:04] young officers that actually want to be
[45:06] a part of this city uh for those that
[45:08] didn't get a chance to go down to the
[45:09] community father event this weekend
[45:11] you've seen a lot of plain clothes young
[45:12] officers that decided to frequent it on
[45:15] their off day something I haven't seen
[45:17] in the city in a long time so I just
[45:19] want to make sure that everyone
[45:20] understands the importance that this new
[45:22] hired panel does as we bring in officers
[45:24] that actually want to be a part of the
[45:26] city want to police properly not over
[45:29] police our communities and want to be
[45:30] community members one of the officers
[45:33] and I I don't want to use his name
[45:34] because I did speak to him he doesn't
[45:35] like credit but he received five merits
[45:38] for exceptional Duty on just recently
[45:41] that is one that came through one of the
[45:44] first that came to the new hire panel so
[45:46] this is something that we take very
[45:48] seriously the people that we are vetting
[45:49] and I hope that the council you know
[45:52] takes it very seriously when they vote
[45:53] on getting the grant to continue to work
[45:55] with the community new hire panel thank
[45:57] you
[46:00] I have no one else to speak so I declare
[46:02] the public comment on the legislative
[46:04] agenda close
[46:06] I'll ask for approval of the legislative
[46:09] cassette agenda
[46:11] moved by Mr Williams second by Mr Farley
[46:14] all those in favor
[46:19] we have a privilege of the floor on
[46:22] General City business
[46:24] and I have three four people signed up
[46:27] to speak
[46:33] Edmund Lavin
[46:39] good evening
[46:41] city of Ethics New York Board of Ethics
[46:44] city of Schenectady New York Board of
[46:45] ethics
[46:47] we explained to you at the meeting June
[46:49] 27 23 the city Ethics Committee has a
[46:52] statutorial or prescribed charge and at
[46:54] your complaints does not fall within the
[46:56] scope of our jurisdiction
[46:58] we have also received your follow-up
[46:59] letter on July 14th
[47:01] the appropriate Forum to address
[47:03] criminal complaints it is certainly not
[47:05] the appropriate for him to seek redress
[47:07] for alleged moral failings
[47:09] it's an Ethics Committee that is what an
[47:11] Ethics complaint is about that Valentino
[47:13] write the complaint for him this was
[47:15] from father Dominic isopo
[47:19] my office complaint is that I have a
[47:21] parent at City Council meetings a
[47:22] minimum four times in complain of Judges
[47:24] Frost balotico and Hoffman depriving me
[47:27] of my constitutional rights the mayor of
[47:30] council members
[47:31] have done nothing
[47:33] they have all sworn in their oath of
[47:35] office to prep the laws protect the laws
[47:37] of the Constitution ethically they will
[47:39] almost Act my complaint against these
[47:42] three corrupt judges is obstruction of
[47:43] justice and treason it is the same
[47:46] complaint I am making now against the
[47:47] mayor who refuses to meet with me and
[47:50] all council members are guilty of
[47:52] obstruction of justice
[47:54] the mayor is to enforce all laws in the
[47:56] city of Schenectady obstruction of
[47:58] justice is considered a crime against
[47:59] Justice itself
[48:01] by obstructing justice one is seeking to
[48:03] thwart the process of justice and the
[48:05] operation of the justice system the
[48:07] mayor must meet with me and you must act
[48:09] on my complaint doing nothing
[48:12] and not meeting with me is not ethical
[48:14] but it is pride
[48:18] if the mayor or city council members are
[48:20] brought the crime of treason perpetrated
[48:22] by a judge against the citizen to the
[48:24] city council meeting
[48:25] what is the civic duty of the mayor and
[48:27] city council members
[48:31] the civic duty of the mayor and City
[48:33] Council Members is to ensure that the
[48:35] judge is held accountable for their
[48:36] actions they can do this by reporting
[48:39] the judge to the appropriate authorities
[48:40] and by taking legal action against them
[48:42] the mayor and City Council Members can
[48:44] also work to ensure that the judges rule
[48:46] from their position if necessary it is
[48:49] important for them to take action in
[48:51] order to protect the rights of citizens
[48:53] and uphold the law
[48:59] when a citizen reports a crime of
[49:01] obstruction of justice treason committed
[49:02] by judges against a citizen the law
[49:04] enforcement official is required to
[49:06] investigate the matter the official will
[49:09] take down the details of the complaint
[49:10] and may ask for supporting evidence if
[49:13] the complaint is filed to be true the
[49:14] official will take appropriate action
[49:16] against the judges
[49:19] in addition to the Constitutional
[49:20] violations the Department of Justice
[49:22] prosecutes laws law enforcement officers
[49:25] for related instances of obstruction of
[49:27] justice
[49:28] this includes attempting to prevent a
[49:30] victim of or Witnesses from reporting
[49:33] the misconduct lying to federal state or
[49:36] local officials during the course of
[49:38] Investigation into a potential
[49:40] misconduct writing a false report to
[49:42] conceal misconduct or fabricating
[49:44] evidence
[49:46] or keeping my office complaint out of
[49:48] the newspaper
[49:51] thank you
[49:57] Petey Voris
[50:07] EX
[50:10] I think this community knows that I've
[50:13] had everything I own
[50:15] taken away from me
[50:17] the door was locked the keys at the door
[50:20] the locks were changed and I had a half
[50:23] hour to vacate my the home I've been in
[50:26] for the last three years I have
[50:28] absolutely nothing except what I'm
[50:30] wearing and what's in my car that's the
[50:33] only thing that I have
[50:35] and
[50:37] that's devastating but that followed
[50:41] after after my car had been shot at with
[50:44] an assault weapon on Albany and Henry
[50:47] Street and blew the tire out and I guess
[50:52] somebody thought they'd make a good
[50:53] story and they had maybe a
[50:56] PhD and make a good write-up but within
[50:59] 10 days this arm looked like a boxing
[51:03] glove
[51:04] and it was vibrating it was hot I
[51:07] couldn't stand the pain of it it was a
[51:09] trimmer
[51:11] it was a trauma
[51:13] from the having the tire shot at and I
[51:17] was in several Emergency Care things
[51:21] given medication given steroids given
[51:24] and then ended up in the hospital for
[51:27] several three times for surgery put in
[51:31] isolation and then they tell me that I'm
[51:33] not that I'm not being hospitalized I'm
[51:37] there three four days and the fifth day
[51:39] they say well we don't feel like
[51:41] operating on you now so here I am going
[51:44] through all this Hospital mumbo jumbo
[51:47] and they should have had an MD on this
[51:50] thing instead of a PhD there's a lot of
[51:53] difference in just writing something up
[51:55] about it
[51:56] a lot of difference when you end up with
[52:00] trauma
[52:01] and now
[52:03] on top of all that
[52:06] I get thrown out of my apartment they
[52:09] have everything I've I've been able to
[52:12] gather
[52:13] it's just everything all my books you've
[52:17] seen some of my you saw one of my books
[52:19] about the Caribbean crowd didn't you so
[52:22] yeah the slavers yeah that's gone
[52:25] and a whole bunch of other books Plus
[52:28] work that I've done on my own
[52:30] it's all gone everybody knows it I don't
[52:34] know how you reconcile yourself with it
[52:36] happening in this community it was an
[52:38] assault weapon the niski and a police
[52:41] told me only an assault weapon could
[52:44] have done that and
[52:46] not any police weapon I've also been
[52:50] learning things like other people that
[52:53] you know and I find out that our people
[52:56] and the Warriors that do we can do to
[52:59] get two paychecks a month
[53:02] won the first and won the 15th for their
[53:05] Warrior are
[53:07] service
[53:08] I do not have at this time because of
[53:13] what's been done to me my only income is
[53:16] social security retirement and it is
[53:20] less than the first check you get every
[53:22] first of the month
[53:28] thank you
[53:30] Wayne Harper
[53:36] eight weeks two days picketing net
[53:39] Albany VA hospital to get what I was
[53:42] entitled to
[53:43] but so far it looks like I'm going to
[53:45] get it
[53:47] now I'm sorry the mayor left I wanted to
[53:49] address him
[53:51] hopefully he watches the meetings
[53:53] uh
[53:54] [Music]
[53:57] I think he's prepared to let Bellevue go
[54:00] the Bellevue neighborhood go the way of
[54:02] the rest of the city
[54:05] I had been calling about a code
[54:08] enforcement making complaints
[54:10] about a residence that was in a fire
[54:14] a major fire the roof was taken off
[54:17] a lot of water went into that building
[54:20] and tore down the garage built a new
[54:23] garage put a back porch on and when I
[54:26] foiled to get the um and Chris one by
[54:29] the way
[54:30] said to me oh yeah they've been cited
[54:32] and he's been going to court and paying
[54:34] fines
[54:35] I said really Chris that's hard to
[54:37] believe because I wouldn't think that
[54:39] someone that was doing that would con
[54:41] continue to
[54:43] reviolate or continue to violate
[54:46] and of course there are great violators
[54:48] on the weekends I guess they know code
[54:50] enforcement doesn't work on the weekend
[54:51] and maybe we ought to get some people
[54:53] out there on weekends
[54:55] somebody ought to have a discussion
[54:57] about that maybe this Council
[55:00] um
[55:01] so I foiled
[55:06] and there's no records of any
[55:08] inspections at all so far
[55:11] maybe they'll find some no Plumbing no
[55:15] electrical and you know when a when a
[55:17] home is been in a fire they put a lot of
[55:19] water in there that can jeopardize the
[55:21] electrical system I don't know if you
[55:23] folks are aware of that
[55:24] no no framing permits for the roof the
[55:27] garage and nothing
[55:29] so I don't know if this is because
[55:33] um
[55:35] we're selectively
[55:38] enforcing code enforcement and I don't
[55:41] expect Perfection but this this
[55:44] homeowners also in construction and I
[55:47] see a dump trailer there debris he was
[55:49] bringing in appliances from all over
[55:51] probably jobs he did right now there's a
[55:54] bobcat with a little front end bucket on
[55:56] the front and this is a residential
[55:59] neighborhood and I'm sick and tired and
[56:01] here's an address maybe somebody ought
[56:02] to write it down 24 26 2428 Campbell
[56:07] Avenue and this individual used to drive
[56:10] a truck that said either Nissan or
[56:12] Colony so I don't know if he works but
[56:14] he backs up to the front door of that
[56:16] two family like that's a park on the
[56:19] lawn
[56:20] and I complained to the mayor I don't
[56:22] know months ago gave him the address
[56:24] so
[56:26] you know this is what happens to a city
[56:28] this is how it breaks it down we
[56:30] Hamilton Hill was the first and I lived
[56:33] through all of this Mount Pleasant
[56:35] Central State Street up around
[56:36] Brandywine Avenue now Bellevue and we're
[56:40] well on our way
[56:41] so I hope Gary watches these meetings I
[56:44] hope Andrew there is going to respond to
[56:47] my email and we maybe get to the bottom
[56:49] of why there were no permits and and
[56:52] think about permits going forward thank
[56:55] you thank you
[56:58] Daniel Castillo
[57:06] good evening everyone
[57:09] my name is Daniel Castillo the last time
[57:11] I was here I formally requested the
[57:13] removal of an unconstitutional sign
[57:15] regarding identification to enter this
[57:17] building that was posted at the entrance
[57:19] I made the request because of the lawful
[57:21] arrest of a citizen that invoked their
[57:23] Fourth Amendment right the right of the
[57:25] people to be secure in their persons
[57:26] houses papers and their effects against
[57:28] unreasonable searches and seizures
[57:31] tonight I'm here to formally request the
[57:34] removal of the unconstitutional
[57:35] executive order of the mayor that
[57:37] prohibits photographs audio and video
[57:39] recording of any kind in the city hall
[57:42] without the consent of all persons whose
[57:44] voice or images being recorded
[57:46] I would also like to explain how it was
[57:48] treated here by some of the special
[57:50] police officers that work in this
[57:51] building before the executive order was
[57:54] actually put up
[57:55] after the citizens arrest
[57:57] I came here to address my grievances I
[58:00] filmed my visit and disseminated the
[58:01] video to my viewers on my YouTube
[58:03] channel that goes by the name New York
[58:06] State audit
[58:07] on my visit I declined to provide ID and
[58:10] invoke my Fourth Amendment right after
[58:12] doing so
[58:14] special police officer Raymond
[58:15] faffenbach rummages through my wallet
[58:18] and steals my private information while
[58:20] I was distracted conversing with another
[58:22] special police officer
[58:23] I can confirm this with my video as well
[58:26] as the city hall camera footage that I
[58:29] received through my Freedom of
[58:30] Information law request that I made
[58:32] after the incident
[58:33] naturally I've returned to file a
[58:35] complaint against Mr faffenbach and I
[58:38] stopped by the mayor's office to make an
[58:39] appointment so we can have a
[58:40] conversation about the unconstitutional
[58:42] sign and the lengths that the special
[58:45] police officers are willing to go to
[58:47] enforce it
[58:48] again I invoked my Fourth Amendment
[58:50] right to Mr faffenbach who just so
[58:52] happened to be there once again
[58:54] he turns and picks up a clipboard that
[58:56] had my information on it calls me by my
[58:59] name as he printed on my name tag
[59:01] confirming even more that he went
[59:03] through my wallet without my consent on
[59:04] my first visit
[59:06] I went to the mayor's office but he
[59:08] wasn't in so I left my information with
[59:10] his secretary I did this several times within a five-month span
[59:16] but no one has ever called me
[59:18] during this period I have been treated
[59:20] with disdain by the special police
[59:22] officers that are employed by the city
[59:23] hall
[59:24] I have been verbally and physically
[59:26] harassed by them I have physically been
[59:28] prevented from entering offices that are
[59:31] open to the public especially the
[59:33] mayor's office on one visit they would
[59:35] even let me in the building
[59:38] all these instant incidents were
[59:39] captured on camera and disseminated on
[59:42] my channel
[59:43] why wouldn't the mayor speak with me
[59:46] was it because the citizen was acquitted
[59:48] of all charges when they were arrested
[59:50] in this building in 2022 because they
[59:52] used my video the video that I filmed
[59:55] the video that proved their innocence
[59:58] was it because the story I did about him
[1:00:00] chasing a woman in his car from his home
[1:00:01] to the police station allegedly drunk at
[1:00:04] times even crying in front of the police
[1:00:07] or is it because he looks at the citizen
[1:00:09] as ratchet as it said on his Instagram
[1:00:12] post during the last year's Super Bowl
[1:00:14] halftime show as he does it because
[1:00:16] that's what it seems like I can only
[1:00:18] speculate regardless he took an oath to
[1:00:20] the New York State and the United States
[1:00:22] constitutions when he became the mayor
[1:00:24] how can he preserve protect or defend
[1:00:27] the constitution of this state or of the
[1:00:30] United States
[1:00:32] like it says in his oath
[1:00:34] when he creates an executive order that
[1:00:36] violates our First Amendment right
[1:00:37] freedom of the press that violates
[1:00:39] section one of the 14th Amendment all
[1:00:42] persons born or naturalized in the
[1:00:43] United States and subject to the
[1:00:45] jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the
[1:00:47] United States and the state wherein they
[1:00:49] reside no State shall make or sir I need
[1:00:52] you to summarize please your time is
[1:00:54] expired This is the End right here no
[1:00:56] States shall enforce or any law will
[1:00:58] shallow Bridge the Privileges or
[1:00:59] immunities of the citizens of the United
[1:01:01] States nor shall any state deprive any
[1:01:03] person of life liberty or property
[1:01:05] without due process of law that's pretty
[1:01:07] much the end of the gist of it so thank
[1:01:09] you for your time this is right here you
[1:01:11] guys took an off to this as well
[1:01:13] okay not just the mayor so I'm I'm thank
[1:01:16] you sir your time is expired okay thank
[1:01:18] you thank you
[1:01:21] I have no one else signed up to speak so
[1:01:23] I declare the public comment of City
[1:01:25] business close
[1:01:27] any miscellaneous business of the
[1:01:29] council
[1:01:31] Mr Toro
[1:01:37] good evening I'd like to thank everyone
[1:01:39] for coming out I'd like to thank one of
[1:01:41] our own councilman John palomini John
[1:01:45] sits on a panel for the inflation
[1:01:47] reduction act and he spent the past week
[1:01:49] in Washington DC
[1:01:53] on the anniversary of the act and did a
[1:01:55] national press conference on the
[1:01:57] economic and environmental benefits of
[1:01:59] the legislation so John will be
[1:02:01] continuing with that and I think we're
[1:02:03] very blessed and lucky to have John on
[1:02:06] our Council and working on all of our
[1:02:09] behalf
[1:02:14] anyone else okay the mayor has left so I
[1:02:18] just want to thank everyone also for
[1:02:20] coming out this evening to State
[1:02:22] whatever your position is on our um the
[1:02:24] various things on our agenda as other
[1:02:26] things that are going on in our city and I invite you to continue to do that
[1:02:31] as we move forward so thank you again
[1:02:33] all for coming and with that I ask for a
[1:02:36] motion to adjourn moved by Miss Patrick
[1:02:39] second by Mr Williams all those in favor
[1:02:41] we're adjourned have a good night