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[2:58] the same surface

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[3:25] usually saw you Su

[3:28] morning

[3:31] this

[3:33] P it was early in one morning Saturday

[3:35] yeah running like a mad probably I want

[3:39] you I mean if you see somebody running

[3:42] it most likely is me

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[3:45] yes yeah I had to get it done early oh

[3:49] yeah because we went um to con New York

[3:51] for a half oh okay so I

[3:55] had

[3:58] yeah

[4:00] hi guys I'm hi Mr

[4:03] Ferrari I'm good how you

[4:06] feel how are

[4:22] you

[4:24] going uh yeah busy it's always busy

[4:31] the walking urgent car urgent car I know

[4:34] it was was used to be so

[4:40] great yeah

[4:51] most yeah they're also very

[4:58] busy

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[5:25] [Applause]

[5:28] wonderful

[5:37] I'd like to call the ORD city council

[5:39] committee meeting for Tuesday October

[5:43] 31st 2023 and I'll turn it over to

[5:52] M finance committee we met we had recess

[5:56] a meeting to answer to get answer

[5:59] regarding

[6:01] to the $2.5 million AR

[6:06] allocation Mr can you give I something

[6:09] avilable just for the sake of the public

[6:10] can you just walk us through that

[6:14] or sorry what was that the $2.5 million

[6:19] that they asked question

[6:22] about

[6:28] sure

[6:30] about how we could use the 2.5 million

[6:32] funds

[6:36] yes so after a discussion with our audit

[6:41] um

[6:43] company um I believe that I sent an

[6:46] email to the city council Oran and

[6:50] pfield council president and John Baron

[6:54] um and listing um what we can and what

[6:58] we can do .5 million um noted on this

[7:02] email the 2.5 million can be used for

[7:05] specific capital

[7:07] projects um what it cannot be used for

[7:10] is um premium

[7:12] pay uh the rehiring of public sector sta

[7:16] staff and um the city uh can't be used

[7:20] as lost Revenue because we already have

[7:22] a different section uh that's broken

[7:24] down uh from the 5.2% ruling uh so

[7:32] only what we can do currently we 2.5

[7:35] million for capital projects if you

[7:37] would like me to read um what I wrote to

[7:40] in the email to the city council I can

[7:43] everybody did you all get that yeah we

[7:45] don't

[7:49] need now the email that you forward to

[7:52] us is that that came from the AR

[7:55] directly if you look underneath um

[7:59] there's response from the Auditors um if

[8:02] you look in the I believe it's

[8:04] highlighted in red those are the

[8:06] responses from the

[8:07] Auditors and then I just wrote it my own

[8:11] um summary um that was sent to city

[8:18] council any question on

[8:20] that well I don't have questions but I

[8:22] did some research over the weekend and

[8:24] just keeping in mind this is not part

[8:26] this is not happened in New York but um

[8:28] there were other municipalities that use

[8:30] the money that way and um I can pass out

[8:34] the so we don't have to I don't have to

[8:36] read to you I can pass out the

[8:38] information that um and

[8:43] the

[8:46] that that that mandate violated the

[8:48] spending Clause so again it didn't

[8:51] happen in New Y it didn't happen in New

[8:52] York however it did happen in other

[8:55] states and so because we're really

[8:58] trying to figure out how we one more one

[9:01] more please

[9:03] okay yep yep oh

[9:07] [Applause]

[9:08] sorry

[9:11] good um so just trying to figure out how

[9:14] we can you know balance this budget and

[9:15] be able to use the ARB fund to do

[9:27] it so just providing that information to

[9:30] you and we you know need to be able to

[9:33] move forward and see

[9:35] um if we want to consider using it based

[9:38] on what has happened in other states um

[9:42] there's that then I have another

[9:43] question Mr M go so um the the question

[9:48] is I guess for Mr Ferrari we I sent the

[9:51] email out and all of you got it about

[9:53] line a

[9:54] 5182 and so

[9:57] um then and I sent a phot and the mayor

[10:00] um received an answer from U Miss Nelson

[10:03] and in it she said that it was used that

[10:05] it was it would be used for um paying

[10:08] out debt and she said up until

[10:13] 2028 uh I I think you were talking about

[10:15] the Rev payment 1.3 million yes okay

[10:19] yeah that that is going to be the final

[10:20] payment of the three-year rev

[10:23] demonstration that we appr doing I think

[10:25] the mayor has a negotiation now uh to

[10:29] try to offset some of those costs to

[10:31] lower it uh in in of course through 2028

[10:36] what's what's going to be happening is

[10:37] that we're going to be paying uh you

[10:39] know support fees for that but I believe

[10:41] that's going to be right in our

[10:43] Communications budget that we have

[10:46] because the email that we got said that

[10:48] it was like 102,000 a year through 2028

[10:52] could be yeah yeah but that doesn't was

[10:55] not a single line was part of was part

[10:57] of the John cucho's budget right but it

[10:59] doesn't it doesn't add up to 1.3 million

[11:02] even because the 1.3 million we if you

[11:05] remember we paid it in 21 22 and now

[11:08] we're going to pay the last payment 23

[11:10] 1.3 that's for the whole rev

[11:12] demonstration 102 is is the additional

[11:15] cost of I believe Merit software and

[11:18] correct that's okay that's that's not

[11:20] the answer that we got from Miss

[11:22] Nelson that you you you folded

[11:25] to okay so you open in this room

[11:31] that is the

[11:37] answer

[11:43] get she saying that it's in a debt

[11:46] service line GL A7 9714 600 budget

[11:50] transfer is done from the a515 code and

[11:54] then she goes on and she says that it's

[11:55] going to be upcoming payment in January

[11:57] February um for is the last large

[12:00] payment and she said I still okay and

[12:03] there's still yearly payments of 1

[12:05] 1,00,000 and

[12:12] then lines so my question why would see

[12:16] in the lines I believe John kucho put it

[12:18] under his lines in his in his uh line

[12:21] under his categor

[12:27] where you wish I call down no you can't

[12:31] call down I I wish I

[12:43] could page 37 thank

[12:49] you it's on the street

[12:52] Li could be on the street where you

[12:55] get where is it right there yep that's

[12:58] the one that's I'm talking about there's

[13:00] nothing in 2024 there's nothing in 2024

[13:02] no but because the final payment of the

[13:05] 1.35 million

[13:08] [Applause]

[13:11] over3 1.35 350 is going to be the final

[13:14] payment now light power and gas is where

[13:17] he put the 102,000 in because that's

[13:20] going to be not only from 228 it's

[13:22] probably going to be going out

[13:25] forever the line above the light power

[13:27] gas the National Grid Smart City Network

[13:30] the contractual that's going to be the

[13:32] last payment this entire amount 1351 350

[13:36] it's already been encumbered we're going

[13:38] to pay it in February I think she

[13:41] mentioned that right yes that's what we

[13:43] do and I think the mayor's in negotiate

[13:45] right now trying to lower that number

[13:47] because of you know whatever reason that

[13:50] he

[13:51] can but I believe the

[13:54] 102,000 goes into the regular power

[13:56] lightning gas number and my other

[13:59] question was about the smart cities the

[14:01] two men that was uh that showed up in

[14:03] the 21 budget we haven't seen it going

[14:05] forward in any other budget and where

[14:07] that funding went well we're almost

[14:10] complete with that uh I believe uh uh

[14:13] the mayor and joh fucho and B he gotten

[14:16] a grant

[14:18] there that Rec call I didn't put

[14:20] anything in this capital budget so I

[14:22] believe there's grant money out there

[14:24] that we should pursue and if it put

[14:26] money in the capital budget a lot of

[14:29] times it disqualifies us from grant

[14:31] money where it's already being paid for

[14:33] so the money that we put aside like

[14:35] numerous years it's almost done that's

[14:39] my question yeah it's already been

[14:41] incumber oh yeah that's what you said

[14:43] yeah right

[14:46] so well okay then those questions are

[14:50] answered they're not showing up here but

[14:53] it's so it's hard to know if it's not

[14:55] there well won't show up there we show

[14:56] up in as the capital expense which is

[15:00] you know

[15:01] you we don't have these are just Capital

[15:04] forti year not for prior years right and

[15:06] it only showed up in 21 didn't show up

[15:08] in 22 didn't show because we didn't

[15:10] borrow any money 21 22 because I believe

[15:12] the Mayers W working on get

[15:14] GRS okay so those are my questions so

[15:16] there's no other there's no other um

[15:19] funding out there there's no other money

[15:21] that that we can use John on Mr

[15:24] M so my question since we got us here

[15:27] can we ask Mr for if you can this and

[15:30] give us an opinion it's

[15:35] possible you

[15:37] know from the looks I've talked Mr M

[15:41] about this obviously I wasn't here last

[15:42] week uh Mr Mar looked into this a little

[15:45] bit um my understanding is the second

[15:47] circuit which is where we are not

[15:50] taking this type of case yet um be hard

[15:54] to determine what the second circuit

[15:56] will do um just because you know we have

[15:59] other circuits that have you know looked

[16:02] at this

[16:05] um that doesn't necessarily mean that

[16:07] the second circuit would you know come

[16:08] out one particular way or another

[16:10] particular way so it' be hard to say you

[16:13] know if somebody were to

[16:15] challenge um you know the the tax offset

[16:20] Prohibition in the second circuit where

[16:22] that Court

[16:24] would decided to

[16:27] B

[16:32] [Applause]

[16:57] okay

[17:00] have any

[17:01] question those last week you had

[17:03] mentioned you would like to review the

[17:06] Caple talk something I have a not here

[17:10] yeah I was um I I think I mentioned it was um for the stairs I did we did

[17:17] talk about the stairs for the

[17:20] reservoir

[17:22] $500,000 and my question was um were

[17:26] they were did the stairs actually go to

[17:27] the world then they go for the resident

[17:30] so

[17:32] um as I recall Mr

[17:35] um Mr Leon said they went all the way to the reservo so I did ask that

[17:39] question oh so you you got an answer yes

[17:53] okay Mr just want to walk

[17:57] this of the

[18:02] please uh the Council budget changes for

[18:05] general fund these are the budget

[18:07] changes that the council had uh spoken

[18:09] to us about how you wanted to make

[18:11] changes the first one is from the

[18:13] mayor's budget uh his original budget of 6.9 mil 59,2 73 for refusing trash

[18:23] charges uh you propos the change back to

[18:27] the 2023 budget so that was a

[18:30] mil7

[18:32] 32,990 uh change the second was uh you

[18:36] increase the the appropriation of fund

[18:38] balance by

[18:39] 32,2 196 so the mayor's original budget

[18:43] is at

[18:44] 3,800

[18:45] 241 is now uh will be appropriated to

[18:50] 4,120

[18:51] 537 the total amount of changes uh that

[18:54] you made in general fund and revenue uh

[18:57] was a total of of um reduction of

[18:59] revenues by

[19:02] 1,426 194 and taking the mayor's

[19:05] original uh budget of

[19:08] 11,864 120 to

[19:12] 9,673 and7 and

[19:16] $726 uh and then do you want me to go

[19:19] line by line or you just can see it no

[19:21] please you know we have the salaries

[19:22] changes we have the police overtime

[19:24] changes we have the fleet manager

[19:26] changes the street manager changes and

[19:28] we'll

[19:35] add finish the whole uh when we finish

[19:38] the whole thing again uh it was a

[19:41] reduction of 1,

[19:53] 42,69421

[19:56] after we make those changes

[20:06] any question on

[20:27] this

[20:29] on the back

[20:38] too I

[20:55] found so B on the email from

[21:00] you what is your position regarding 2.5

[21:04] million well

[21:08] on at this point in time since we're not

[21:10] clear and it hasn't happened in New York

[21:12] I don't know that we want to necessarily

[21:13] Robo dice on

[21:15] that so um based on what our Corporation

[21:18] Council says because we haven't seen it

[21:19] in New York so we don't know what would

[21:21] happen if even if we saw in another

[21:23] municipality within New York State i'

[21:25] certainly be much more comfortable um

[21:27] say that we should go ahead and do it

[21:29] but without having seen

[21:31] that don't know that we should do

[21:34] that so we have

[21:37] to um so that's that's my position on

[21:41] that but everybody else is here so they

[21:43] can certainly um weigh

[21:49] in i i would support what our finance

[21:53] staff is

[21:57] recommended

[22:01] [Applause]

[22:20] since you are making suggestion here

[22:23] where we going to find

[22:25] 2.5 I I mean there's there aren't a lot

[22:27] of place to to find it there's just our

[22:30] um our um fund balance and that's it

[22:32] there's no I mean there's no place

[22:36] else it's not like we have our Magic

[22:38] Money Tre to pull it

[22:41] up Mr U and

[22:44] C the water and sore fund is only going

[22:47] to increase it's not going to decrease

[22:49] our debt payments just for the uh uh a

[22:53] wastewater treatment plant and and the

[22:56] north fa treat PS pump station is going

[22:59] to be over a million dollars a

[23:00] year I implore you to please uh think

[23:05] about raising the water and SE rate

[23:08] increases we're only talking water and

[23:10] seore 94 $946 a year per unit

[23:15] $22.62 per quarter we're we're not

[23:18] asking for much but you're going to have

[23:19] to raise it next year you're going to

[23:20] have to raise it double because you're

[23:22] putting yourself in a predicament where

[23:24] you're not trying to overcome you you're

[23:27] not overcoming your your debt and then

[23:30] you're going to use all your fund

[23:31] balance and it's going to just put more

[23:33] pressure on you guys going

[23:35] forward uh

[23:38] financially like I says in next year

[23:40] you're going to probably have to double

[23:41] if you don't raise it this year first of

[23:44] all because you're not going to have a

[23:45] fund balance you use fund balance you

[23:47] got any fund balance left to use and

[23:48] then you're going to have to increase

[23:50] the rates to get a fund balance and pay

[23:53] for the uh the debt and and work uh you

[23:57] know contracts are up you know they're

[23:59] everything is going to everything is

[24:01] increasing I have to tell you and I

[24:03] think the safest and smartest move is to raise the water and sord uh rate

[24:08] increase by the proportions that were

[24:10] the mayor put in the budget

[24:14] originally I just wanted to say that

[24:16] it's being financially

[24:26] sound

[24:29] and if we if we decide not to the

[24:31] majority count decide not to raise this total of the water and so will have

[24:37] to come out from the general Reserve to

[24:40] balance the budget you

[24:43] wow can you uh D can you talk about the

[24:46] fund balance we also talked to our sure

[24:50] our fiscal advisors about our

[24:53] so our fiscal advisors um suggested is

[24:58] that um there's a certain range uh they

[25:01] specifically talk about the general fund

[25:04] um and that specific range of fund

[25:07] balance to Total expenses between 13 and

[25:12] 15% um the way we're looking towards

[25:15] using our fund balance we're looking to

[25:18] be below that range and that's going to

[25:20] affect our bond

[25:23] rating I can read exactly what he wrote

[25:26] here okay um from the city's 22 audit

[25:31] total fund balance as a percentage of

[25:32] expenditures is

[25:35] 19.6% if the fund balance decreases by

[25:38] 3.8 million well if you're going to add

[25:41] another 2.5 we're talking six you're

[25:44] talking three more million we're at four

[25:45] you're talking 7 million so you're

[25:47] doubling this the total fund balance of

[25:49] percentage will decrease to 13 15 uh 7%

[25:54] but that's at 3.8 million at uh at 7

[25:59] million like you're talking to you're going down to what 9% we looking

[26:03] at around

[26:05] 9% and these

[26:09] levels uh above 13 to

[26:12] 15% are not as high as 20 22% it's

[26:16] important to know the Assumption

[26:17] expenses are held constant at the 22

[26:20] level which we know it or not and there

[26:21] are not initial Surplus or defic or

[26:24] deficiencies in the city results

[26:25] operations any changes to these barrels

[26:28] impact the metric as

[26:30] well okay what do it say they refer to

[26:33] these projects and programs as a tail

[26:36] using arper funds and they would view

[26:38] future expenses without a revenue source

[26:40] as negative or pressure on the finance

[26:42] of the city depending on the mod future

[26:44] cost the city would need to resorb in

[26:46] future

[26:48] years that's that's the good

[26:51] part that's the good part so you say any

[26:55] decrease of the fund BS below the 133%

[26:58] % a year end will impact the metrics

[27:00] that calculate the city's rating and

[27:03] depending on the extent of the decrease

[27:05] could find Place downward pressure on

[27:07] the rating as the last rating report the

[27:10] fund balance as a percentage expense

[27:12] showed a positive strong and budgetary

[27:16] flexibility and this will put pressure

[27:18] on us because we're we're going the

[27:21] opposite view of that I just want to let

[27:23] you know that and that's what I'm saying

[27:26] you're putting yourself pressure without

[27:27] raising these rates you're putting

[27:29] pressure on the city finances and your

[27:31] finances I not personally but when you

[27:34] do this budget next year you're putting

[27:36] a lot of pressure on yourselves because

[27:38] now you're going to really have to raise

[27:40] in all aspects water sore

[27:50] General and the reason I'm saying this

[27:52] is is is the rate is not is not a big

[27:54] rate to increase and you're looking too

[27:57] in the projects water and sore again

[27:59] you're looking to

[28:02] uh borrow and uh the sore fund another

[28:06] 1.5 million and another 950,000 in water

[28:10] sore and you know we've been using

[28:13] reserves for the last maybe five years

[28:16] so we haven't borrowed any money from

[28:18] water sore and we're anticipating the

[28:21] use well this borrowing for the

[28:22] wastewater treatment plant that and you

[28:24] know we're planning on getting this

[28:26] thing go happened and things just

[28:28] exploded now what I'm saying is that

[28:31] it's I think it's in your best interest

[28:33] to raise the rates on water and

[28:37] sord so are you saying that we have some

[28:39] capital projects in water and

[28:41] store so according to what Mr gole said

[28:44] that we could use that 2.5 there so that

[28:47] would less our borro that's what his

[28:49] email said I would love for you guys

[28:52] use for water and sore that but that's

[28:54] not

[28:56] affecting water start borrowing next

[28:58] year yeah I mean 2025 is going to cuz that's when you start paying for the

[29:07] debt but I'm saying for water and sore

[29:10] now you should raise the

[29:14] rates believe me as a homeowner I I

[29:17] really don't would like to see water and

[29:20] rates GL but I know a fact that you know

[29:23] the single family that I have I'm only

[29:25] paid less than $300 a year for my water

[29:28] and I know for a fact that my brother is

[29:30] in reram paying $600 a year and my

[29:32] brother in reram Junction is paying

[29:34] $1,100 a year for water so I know we're

[29:37] doing great so for another $16 a year

[29:41] you making $36 that's F I feel like I'm

[29:44] getting a

[29:44] deal uh our sore uh right now a single

[29:48] family is about $433 we're asking for 74

[29:51] it sounds like a lot but we have the

[29:54] wastewater treatment plant we have the

[29:56] new pump station uh we we're working uh

[29:59] to everything to update our whole

[30:01] infrastructure for the future and what

[30:03] I'm saying if you don't raise these

[30:04] rates and then you're are you're doing

[30:06] is stalling uh a

[30:09] future you know a financial future for

[30:13] not only to water Sor I think for the

[30:14] city as a

[30:17] whole and we're under looking

[30:19] $946 a year for water and sore comes to

[30:24] $22.62 per quarter it's that for your

[30:27] tax bill per unit so if you have the two

[30:30] unit it be4 $45 and uh 12 cents 22 CS 24

[30:48] cents I mean based on prior discussion I

[30:51] don't think based on prior discussion I

[30:54] don't think we have a majority of

[30:55] members supporting U raising the

[31:00] Feats want to take a

[31:04] quick it's up to you

[31:08] guys I'm just trying to have you guys

[31:10] financially sound you know when I leave

[31:12] here I want to be able to feel good

[31:14] about myself have we over seen a copy of

[31:17] that yeah this was done a fews

[31:20] ago it's also has the weight waist

[31:22] increase but now you know we're done

[31:23] with the general portion I'm just

[31:25] looking at these two these two number

[31:28] before2 oh not that one that near just

[31:33] said these no I can get for you would

[31:36] mind no

[31:43] problem do you want help me now or just

[31:56] later

[32:15] that comes to $1.74 a

[32:18] week that's less than a pack of

[32:23] cigarett

[32:25] that c that plus a coffee

[32:31] 24 cents a

[32:33] day I mean I have the number so just

[32:36] thror it out there for you just I'm

[32:38] trying to help you believe me I'm not

[32:40] trying to do anything

[32:44] negative when you're at this table next

[32:46] year and you're going to be raising

[32:47] these rates

[32:49] double you're going to say I wish should

[32:50] listen to Anthony

[32:52] Ferrari well actually Mr M I think

[32:55] that's a good point because I believe

[32:56] that last last year we didn't support

[32:58] what the mayor's budget um asked for in

[33:01] water sewer and trash and so that

[33:02] probably helped put us into more of a

[33:06] water so that probably did exactly that

[33:11] put us into a you know a little bit of a

[33:14] pickle this year that's why we had a

[33:16] double this year the half plus the other

[33:21] half just play out what you're saying

[33:24] for next year next year it's going to

[33:26] even double

[33:28] unless we increase our Revenue we should

[33:30] right work on that yeah well this how

[33:31] you increase your

[33:34] Revenue but your water sore is not a lot

[33:36] of places you

[33:39] can not a lot of places you can add

[33:55] Revenue this regard to a pilot um I

[33:58] think we we didn't touch on that this

[34:00] year excuse me pilot um program can you

[34:02] give us a little brief update on how

[34:04] it's going pilot program I think is at

[34:06] 2.5 million I got that number from

[34:11] um

[34:14] met

[34:17] 2.5 2.6 million 2550 that's what it

[34:21] was was payment W taxes yeah five m y 2

[34:26] million 50 I got that number from Metro

[34:29] that is uh you know the deals that uh uh

[34:33] excuse me mayor what is that connect to

[34:35] the F Well industrial the city

[34:39] Industrial Development agency and

[34:41] Metroplex are the two that are

[34:43] authorized to enter into pilot

[34:45] agreements econom development

[34:51] projects so uh that's the number of you

[34:54] know Pilots we're going to be receiving

[34:55] over this year

[34:59] so mayor be clear that that's not part

[35:01] of something that you're involved in as

[35:03] well I know you said the Ida in metlex

[35:06] so as the chief executive of the city

[35:09] then that's not something that um well I

[35:12] participate some of the discussions

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[35:15] for lining up the deals or attracting

[35:18] businesses here but the authority to

[35:21] Grant the pilots are solely with

[35:27] Metroplex and the city Industrial

[35:28] Development agency thank you well for

[35:32] that matter the county Industrial

[35:33] Development agency also to do some in

[35:36] the city we run everything through the

[35:38] city

[35:55] agent

[36:15] about

[36:20] next

[36:25] so

[37:25] for

[38:11] how do we move

[38:13] forward I don't see I mean anyway around

[38:16] if there's no movement on

[38:20] um increasing the fees then we would

[38:22] have to take from the fund balance um it

[38:25] was brought up that we did do half last

[38:27] year so I guess the other the other

[38:29] consideration is do half this

[38:33] year just putting that out there for the

[38:37] best just start talking so I think my my

[38:42] position Still Remains that we should

[38:44] not increase the fund balance however as

[38:45] I'm in hearing this information and

[38:47] digesting it in real time make for

[38:50] Anthony recognizes I'm not oblivious to

[38:52] what's lying ahead uh I want to make

[38:55] sure we're

[38:58] presenting this increase to the city um

[39:01] having taken additional steps so I guess

[39:03] my question is you mentioned

[39:05] 9% and in the packet she highlights or

[39:09] this individual highlights 15.7 so it

[39:12] was from 21 or

[39:14] 22 so if this 13 to 15% is the ideal

[39:19] metric correct and that 9% how do we

[39:21] bridge that

[39:23] Gap or

[39:25] is

[39:27] that's if that's it worst case scenario

[39:29] if we use

[39:31] 23's um total fund balance and then what

[39:34] is um proposed by C counc for

[39:38] 2024 so the proposed uh tax increases by

[39:43] the mayor does that exceed that gap of

[39:45] 9% and the recommended 13 to 15% that's

[39:49] my question if that makes

[39:52] sense let me just say the increase does

[39:54] not go in a general fund it's strictly

[39:56] for water and sore what Mr M wanted to

[39:59] do was actually take money out of the

[40:01] general fund for water and sore but then

[40:04] there would be a a 2.5 million a $2.5

[40:07] million gap or $3 million gap which he

[40:09] wanted to fund with reserves so that

[40:12] means right now I think if you look at

[40:14] our 2024

[40:16] budget uh we have uh in

[40:19] 2023 we've

[40:21] uh allocated

[40:23] the appropriate fund bonds of 4.5

[40:26] million and and now in 2024 just without

[40:30] Mr M's suggestion we're at 4.1 million

[40:33] so it's taking the out of the 8.4

[40:36] million of unfunded of

[40:39] unassigned we're going to be using uh

[40:42] 4.1 in

[40:45] 4.5 uh 8.6 million so we're going to be

[40:49] way over the 9 9% if you look at using

[40:53] that portion so much's left over that

[40:55] portion

[40:57] uh over the 109 million right is that

[41:00] how am I saying it right

[41:02] there so you're taking the um and that's

[41:07] not including 2.5 million balance

[41:10] compared to the actual expenses uh for

[41:13] the general operation and that's how you

[41:16] get the

[41:17] percentage right so show that the

[41:20] percentage how did you figure it out um

[41:23] so for example um Council I

[41:27] believe give for the 2023 fund balance

[41:32] um so both off the 18.9 million we

[41:35] read 20 was it 22

[41:40] financials um if we take the 23 fund

[41:43] outs of uh 4.5 million approximately

[41:46] then um whether it is the uh council's

[41:50] proposed uh fund balance at

[41:53] 4.1 uh you reduce at 18.9 mlion by those

[41:56] two numbers you come up with

[41:58] approximately 10 million 279 uh you do

[42:02] the math uh divide that by the total

[42:05] expenses by the proposed um budget the

[42:08] council uh Council changes and that's

[42:11] about

[42:12] 9% and then if you add another 2.5

[42:15] million that'll bring that 10 million

[42:18] down to 8 million so divide 109 by 8

[42:21] million we're looking at even a lesser

[42:24] less than 9%

[42:27] so we way below the

[42:33] 13% so what I'm saying is we save the

[42:35] 2.5 million by raising the water soore

[42:38] rates that's what I'm saying instead of

[42:40] using the function which you're want to

[42:42] do like I say the next year you know you

[42:45] have less of a worry about using funds

[42:49] because now you don't have a fund

[42:50] balance to rely on because you used it

[42:52] this year you're going to have to raise

[42:54] a property tax waste you have to raise

[42:57] the water you G have to ra sore you're

[42:59] can probably have to find some other

[43:00] things you're GNA have to raise right I

[43:02] understand the logic of that can you

[43:04] provide or how quickly could you assess

[43:06] what increasing the taxes by 50% as Miss

[43:10] bfield highlighted

[43:13] 50

[43:15] rates okay yeah you want us come back

[43:18] with

[43:21] that

[43:23] Mo did you hear his request yes so we go

[43:28] I think we better do our

[43:30] computer you want to use the

[43:33] phone or or My

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[43:55] us

[44:00] but realiz happens

[44:03] unless City shut

[44:06] down I think we should do it tonight

[44:09] oh okay I'm just saying to you it's not

[44:11] like andl just we don't have that the

[44:13] beginning of the year we have money to

[44:15] spend

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[1:13:33] okay let's uh let's start with the sore

[1:13:38] proposed s budget now a

[1:13:42] 50% uh change in the sore

[1:13:46] budget uh so the city council changes uh

[1:13:50] as you can see from the proposed 2024

[1:13:52] budget

[1:13:54] uh to 50% increase uh changes uh um the

[1:14:00] cost by 1.2 million

[1:14:04] 1,261

[1:14:06] 187 uh so to make up the difference

[1:14:09] we're we're going to have to use

[1:14:10] appropriated fund balance from the shore

[1:14:12] Department of

[1:14:16] 1,261 two

[1:14:22] $261,900 has a has

[1:14:28] a amount of

[1:14:31] uh 3.1 million available so I I do not

[1:14:36] see that's almost half I do not see you

[1:14:38] going any over this more than

[1:14:42] this 1.61 million I would would like to

[1:14:47] see a full 100% because when you come

[1:14:49] here next year you're going to be doing

[1:14:51] the same thing all over again right

[1:14:53] understand that Mr I just just wanted to

[1:14:55] rate I wanted to study that

[1:15:00] again okay so in uh the Water Department

[1:15:04] M uh the 50% changes as you can see uh we're going from uh uh

[1:15:16] 441,000 originally cutting in half by

[1:15:19] 441,000 and we're using uh appropriated

[1:15:22] fund balance of

[1:15:27] $41,800 has 2.2 million available so

[1:15:33] we're going to be again I don't think we

[1:15:35] should go any lower than

[1:15:46] that and the first last time I you're

[1:15:49] going to be here next year doing this

[1:15:51] whole thing all over again

[1:15:54] not going to mention it

[1:15:56] again unless we get more Revenue I'll

[1:15:58] mention that

[1:16:00] again

[1:16:06] soti

[1:16:08] count that could be

[1:16:10] too that's a good

[1:16:12] idea so this sheet here you have two

[1:16:15] water just to take Clarity that's we

[1:16:17] brokee that in half to just show you

[1:16:19] what the cost would be uh for ear water

[1:16:22] rate increase be

[1:16:24] $8.13 S would be

[1:16:27] $370 broke it down to the day break it

[1:16:29] down to the day comes to 12 cents a day

[1:16:32] water and sore per

[1:16:34] unit so the one $9 is the weight just in

[1:16:38] case you guys want to increase waste by

[1:16:41] 50% you

[1:16:43] know to take down the appropriated fund

[1:16:46] balance a little bit so we can move that

[1:16:48] a little bit I didn't figure out what

[1:16:49] that was going to be but I thought I'd

[1:16:50] throw it in there and try to help you

[1:16:52] yeah that's right

[1:16:53] thank

[1:16:56] you Mr

[1:17:01] will I think it's imperative to just

[1:17:04] identify that this is my second time

[1:17:06] going to the budget cycle and I very

[1:17:08] much I'm trying to shorten my learning

[1:17:10] curve but it becomes very apparent that

[1:17:13] there are some individuals that are

[1:17:14] willing to make concessions and there

[1:17:16] are other individuals that are standing

[1:17:17] in their positions of 100% of the

[1:17:20] mayor's proposed budget and I think that places these conversations at a

[1:17:25] lose lose element because we are all

[1:17:27] sitting here trying to advocate for our

[1:17:30] positions and I truly understand that

[1:17:32] we're all here to do the good work of

[1:17:33] the city but that is not negotiating and

[1:17:37] I am sitting here trying to in my

[1:17:39] position uh thread that needle and I do

[1:17:41] not want to pit it at in us first thing

[1:17:43] because that is not what we're doing the work for the city the

[1:17:46] resident of the city conect uh but it it

[1:17:49] is clear when we hear I want this and I

[1:17:52] want one at all and that that

[1:17:54] unfortunately is not what I'm going to

[1:17:56] support uh I do understand and I I hear

[1:17:59] your logic Mr Ferrari and I appreciate

[1:18:01] you've been uh broken record but for

[1:18:04] various

[1:18:05] reasons just trying I've been working

[1:18:07] for the city for 40 years I lived there

[1:18:09] all my life I'm looking for the the good

[1:18:11] of the city no I I I respect that uh I I

[1:18:15] would love to hear from Miss Patrick and

[1:18:17] Mr Toro uh are you remaining and I want

[1:18:21] all of it or how do you respond to this

[1:18:26] 50% go ahead please well I think that in

[1:18:30] my case I'd have to say that I trust the

[1:18:33] expertise of the staff and I think that

[1:18:36] first of all last year we already didn't

[1:18:39] do that so I think that has um put us in

[1:18:43] a situation this year yes I'm going to

[1:18:46] pretty much remain solid about the

[1:18:48] police and the fire over time um I think

[1:18:50] it's a mistake to be cutting service

[1:18:54] um especially when it comes to Public

[1:18:55] Safety I think you know when you think

[1:18:58] about the number of calls that um our

[1:19:00] teams are going out on um it actually

[1:19:03] increased by the way this weekend from

[1:19:04] last weekend which was already

[1:19:06] ridiculous but um you know I found out

[1:19:09] the numbers today of of of this weekend

[1:19:11] it was up even higher um so I mean you

[1:19:14] know if you cut the police and fire

[1:19:17] overtime we're just going to have to

[1:19:19] come back um I don't know how many

[1:19:21] months in to do an amendment because

[1:19:23] again the fire we already know it's

[1:19:25] contractual so we're going to have to

[1:19:27] come up with the money anyway um so in

[1:19:30] that sense

[1:19:32] um you

[1:19:34] know that's that's my

[1:19:38] position you yeah I just want to just

[1:19:40] like really um mention about the the

[1:19:42] police budget because every keeps

[1:19:43] talking about cutting cutting cutting

[1:19:45] and I want to just make sure that we

[1:19:47] understand that this year's budget is

[1:19:49] more than last year's budget it's the

[1:19:50] largest budget that police and in the

[1:19:53] history of the city of SK so it's not

[1:19:55] that we're cutting their budget we're

[1:19:57] not we're not ask we're not giving

[1:19:58] everything that they're asked for and

[1:20:00] that's two different things so I just

[1:20:01] want to make sure that language is clear

[1:20:03] because cutting sounds like we went in

[1:20:05] we took away something that they already

[1:20:06] had and that's not what happened what

[1:20:08] happened was they asked for this amount

[1:20:10] of increase and we reduce the amount of

[1:20:12] increase that was asked for not their

[1:20:14] budget I will clarify what I said that I

[1:20:17] just meant that we're decreasing what

[1:20:20] they need yes what they ask for so I

[1:20:22] just want to be clear because I've heard

[1:20:24] that conversation that we're cutting

[1:20:25] their budget and that's really not what

[1:20:27] is what what has happened here well

[1:20:29] we're decreasing from what we're we're

[1:20:31] cutting from what they've asked us for

[1:20:33] so that that's that's a reduction of

[1:20:35] their ask which is what part of

[1:20:36] budgeting is but it's not cutting their

[1:20:38] budget so that's a different story yeah

[1:20:40] but I guess I would have to suggest that

[1:20:42] I think the chief of police and the fire

[1:20:44] chief have given us realistic numbers in

[1:20:48] their budget estimate based on what

[1:20:50] they've spent in the past well they well

[1:20:53] so last year we also reduced the budget

[1:20:54] so um so just putting that out there but

[1:20:57] I just want to be clear we're not

[1:20:58] reducing what they ear are getting I

[1:21:00] just want to make sure that everybody

[1:21:01] understands that and and again I think

[1:21:04] it's important to identify there are no

[1:21:06] reductions in services from my position

[1:21:09] what I'm challenging them to is there

[1:21:12] are vacant positions that can be

[1:21:14] utilized to uh subsidize the um not

[1:21:18] getting their fulles and as you heard

[1:21:21] from Chief Marino he said said at

[1:21:23] verbatim there is wiggle room or he said

[1:21:25] that there is a a room to um eban flow

[1:21:29] and my challenge is why are we going to

[1:21:32] overg give when we can utilize that

[1:21:33] money to reduce some of the ass to the

[1:21:36] community and again if they do need more

[1:21:39] then we can come back and amend the

[1:21:41] budget but at this present time I I feel

[1:21:45] those same angs that you have for

[1:21:47] attributing attacks of this magnitude to

[1:21:49] the community and although I understand

[1:21:51] Mr Ferrari that

[1:21:53] comparatively speaking the waste

[1:21:55] increase at 50% is $39 the water rate

[1:21:58] increase is $8 the sewer rate increase

[1:22:01] would be $37 these are not the only

[1:22:03] expenses that households are feeling gas

[1:22:05] is also going up food is also going up

[1:22:08] rinse also going up and I think it's

[1:22:10] important to recognize the cumulative

[1:22:12] effect of all of these increases and

[1:22:14] that is what I'm trying to make sure I

[1:22:17] position myself where I can go to these

[1:22:18] doors and if anyone asks me present a

[1:22:22] fair argument of where I

[1:22:28] say except for one thing none of this

[1:22:30] does anything to to decrease the tax

[1:22:32] rate the water and sewage funds are

[1:22:35] separate from the General Revenue area

[1:22:38] so cutting in those has nothing to do

[1:22:40] with water and sewage done nothing here

[1:22:43] to reduce taxes done nothing here to

[1:22:45] reduce the deficit all that was done was

[1:22:47] Shuffle money around and honestly

[1:22:50] increase positions in certain certain

[1:22:52] areas and give raises so there was no

[1:22:57] real impact at all to the tax rate so

[1:23:02] other than the water and sewage which is

[1:23:04] separate from these so they're two

[1:23:06] separate entities Al together so what

[1:23:09] you said is nice it would be great if

[1:23:12] that's how it worked but it

[1:23:14] doesn't but it does work to the degree

[1:23:16] that the taxpayers will have to pay this

[1:23:18] additional money it does work to that

[1:23:20] degree so the mayor himself said we

[1:23:21] talked about it

[1:23:23] when in fact when we Tred to spend he

[1:23:25] was talking about the as was Miss

[1:23:27] Patrick the overtime budget and the

[1:23:30] impact they're two separate entities all

[1:23:32] together but in fact taxpayers will have

[1:23:35] to pay more do you agree or disagree if

[1:23:37] we increase the water andur funds do

[1:23:39] they or

[1:23:51] not

[1:23:56] Mr um I we just I was just ready to

[1:24:00] comment on the swer fees and the water

[1:24:02] fees here not on everything else right

[1:24:04] now but I thought that's what we were

[1:24:07] addressing at this moment so um as a

[1:24:11] homeowner business owner with multiple

[1:24:14] properties here in the city and yes um

[1:24:17] the cost of everything going up I myself

[1:24:20] personally wouldn't mind budgeting this

[1:24:22] year for the total amount that's

[1:24:24] proposed in the mayor's budget and then

[1:24:26] moving forward knowing next year I may

[1:24:28] have to budget again for some additional

[1:24:31] amounts because of all the rising costs

[1:24:33] so I

[1:24:34] am okay with what was proposed in the

[1:24:37] mayor's

[1:24:42] budget Mr Williams I appreciate um you

[1:24:46] uh making a suggestion to do 50% for

[1:24:48] water and 50% for silver it is no secret

[1:24:53] that I made it very clear that I don't

[1:24:55] favor

[1:24:57] increasing taxes or passing in the cost

[1:25:00] tax

[1:25:01] pays we I have made it very clear that

[1:25:04] we need to look at the budget and to

[1:25:05] make cuts across board so that we can

[1:25:09] able to reduce the burden on tax

[1:25:12] payers um we cannot continue to spend

[1:25:15] and pass the cost on the

[1:25:17] taxpayers we as a council we need

[1:25:20] to be help accountable and we need to

[1:25:23] report to our taxpayer that's why they

[1:25:25] put us here uh we need to make

[1:25:29] concession if I if I'm willing to move

[1:25:31] forward with this I need we need to

[1:25:33] address the open fills that we have in

[1:25:35] 2023 that we carrying in 20

[1:25:38] 2024 and we also need to look at the um

[1:25:41] the new F that we have for 2024

[1:25:48] budget we cannot cannot continue to pass

[1:25:52] Bo non taxpayers and we seem so like

[1:25:55] don't have an history increasing our

[1:26:01] spending so Mr I just wanted to clear

[1:26:03] you so if if you if we do the increase

[1:26:07] and right now we're talking about water

[1:26:08] and sour so I'm going to stay there um

[1:26:11] are are you saying that we need to

[1:26:12] revisit the um the positions that were

[1:26:16] that we talked about before and reduce

[1:26:18] more positions is that what you're

[1:26:21] saying yes we should revisit look at the

[1:26:24] pills we have in 2023 that we aning and

[1:26:27] look at the new hires that we carrying

[1:26:28] what we proposed in the

[1:26:32] 2024 do we really need all this

[1:26:37] position where is the cost

[1:26:42] saving and by doing that we can able to

[1:26:45] you know look we look at the U the

[1:26:48] police and fire

[1:26:51] time

[1:26:53] but at this point in time I am not going

[1:26:55] I mean with all due respect Mr Williams

[1:26:58] I I'm not supporting

[1:27:21] this

[1:27:41] so it seems like we're an impath so what

[1:27:43] are you suggesting that we just leave it

[1:27:45] as is and Mr mud Mr Williams um Mr

[1:27:51] palini uh finance

[1:27:55] committee needs need to know where what

[1:27:58] your positioning is and um because it

[1:28:01] would be ideal if we could pass the

[1:28:02] budget I don't know

[1:28:04] Miss we

[1:28:06] have it it's our biggest responsibility

[1:28:09] I would say city council why we're

[1:28:11] trying to get there and um and I I

[1:28:16] appreciate what you always say about um

[1:28:18] you know that we're counting on our um

[1:28:21] experts but it is part of our

[1:28:23] responsibility to review those things

[1:28:24] and see where we can make reasonable

[1:28:27] reductions in order to pass the budget

[1:28:28] and not to pass as um much onto our

[1:28:31] taxpayers if necessary and I think it's

[1:28:32] also a responsibility and we should

[1:28:34] probably do more of it next year when

[1:28:36] we're negotiating various agreements

[1:28:38] that we do more

[1:28:40] to to bring in Revenue so that's also a

[1:28:43] part of our uh as we look at the budget

[1:28:45] unfortunately we only do this yearly and

[1:28:47] so maybe we'll just do this quarterly

[1:28:49] and just kind of see where we are and

[1:28:51] take the temperature during during the

[1:28:53] year to see where we're going to end up

[1:28:54] at the end of the

[1:28:55] year so we're here right now Mr mudaron

[1:28:59] is not supporting an increas at all so

[1:29:04] uh and Mr F hasn't

[1:29:20] said

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[1:29:34] so if I can just so we're discussing

[1:29:37] this particular increase but I've heard

[1:29:39] conversations about the other things so

[1:29:41] let me just um ask this question of all

[1:29:43] council members you're willing to answer

[1:29:45] if we get to the point where we said

[1:29:47] like we can um increase the re andur by

[1:29:51] half by

[1:29:53] 50% does that put other council members

[1:29:55] in a position where they're willing to

[1:29:56] vote for the budget so I think I need to

[1:29:59] ask that

[1:30:02] question Mr I know you're creating

[1:30:06] structural deficits in here that puts

[1:30:08] the city on a path to bankruptcy and you

[1:30:12] know I can't go for that

[1:30:14] okay I not at this point okay

[1:30:19] Mr made my point very clear

[1:30:22] if what Mr Li

[1:30:25] suggested

[1:30:27] it's concession on Mr Li side but we

[1:30:30] also need to make concession on the on

[1:30:32] the other side where we can make some

[1:30:35] other additional

[1:30:37] reduction and we look at the police and

[1:30:39] file over time

[1:30:42] to inser of 350 to look at that if we

[1:30:45] can reduce that

[1:30:48] reduction fun

[1:30:50] time

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[1:31:02] well we need two vots to get out of

[1:31:04] committee not getting out of

[1:31:07] committee so I can ask a question so Mr

[1:31:10] camia you wouldn't vote on the budget

[1:31:13] with the

[1:31:14] 100% uh fee increases proposed by by the

[1:31:17] mayor don't know yet because we wouldn't

[1:31:20] have a budget at that point

[1:31:31] what do you mean that we if if we

[1:31:33] increase I'll look at that when I see

[1:31:35] the entire budget oh when you see the

[1:31:36] entire budget okay just want to be clear

[1:31:37] on what you meant by we wouldn't have a

[1:31:39] budget so

[1:31:44] um I be I would be willing to go with

[1:31:46] that 50% the sore and water but it looks

[1:31:48] like this is not going to get out of

[1:31:49] committee so Mr uh chair Finance we have

[1:31:52] to how would you like like to

[1:32:00] proceed since there's an impa I'm

[1:32:02] suggesting that we reset don't we have a

[1:32:05] special meeting tomorrow yes we do but

[1:32:07] we what What will what will change

[1:32:10] between today and tomorrow what will

[1:32:12] change what would change to bring us

[1:32:14] back tomorrow I guess that's what I'm

[1:32:16] saying well have made suggestion in

[1:32:17] terms of let's r that the u3 fils so

[1:32:21] we're not

[1:32:22] and let's look at the 2004 that you're

[1:32:24] adding into the

[1:32:25] budget can we do that now can we do that

[1:32:28] now I don't know nobody answered here

[1:32:31] nobody made a suggestion where is the

[1:32:33] other side I mean a concession was made

[1:32:34] by Mr Williams what are you suggest what

[1:32:38] are you suggesting as concessions that's

[1:32:40] what they suggested I'll make a

[1:32:43] suggestion you cut the uh salary

[1:32:46] increase the council and also cut the uh

[1:32:49] health insurance benefit for the C

[1:32:51] council members that's I believe the

[1:32:53] only part-time positions in the city to

[1:32:56] actually get health insurance and I

[1:32:59] think that would

[1:33:04] be

[1:33:07] $85,000 how much of a difference would

[1:33:09] that make towards we're looking to start

[1:33:11] you want concessions so there you go so

[1:33:15] with that you vote to support this side

[1:33:17] committee that's just the

[1:33:20] beginning

[1:33:33] I mean if

[1:33:34] that's we're talking $85,000 cup and you

[1:33:38] want to use that and put it in a line

[1:33:41] towards uh a deficit reduction I'll be

[1:33:45] happy with

[1:33:47] that we need many more 84,000 well Mr

[1:33:51] William asked me what I

[1:33:54] was so I would be okay with

[1:34:06] that one thing would there be anything

[1:34:15] else I think we could probably cut a

[1:34:18] position or

[1:34:20] so and the clerk's office then I would

[1:34:23] say if we're going to revisit the

[1:34:24] positions then I would say be returning

[1:34:26] to M suggestion of revisiting all of

[1:34:29] them which I'm truly not trying to do

[1:34:31] you asked me I just offering

[1:34:35] suggestions then I would say have two

[1:34:36] council members on the uh committee

[1:34:38] would like to revisit the positions then

[1:34:40] revisit the

[1:34:44] positions so let's if if that's going to

[1:34:47] happen I'm not sure it's going to happen

[1:34:49] tonight or not let's talk about what is

[1:34:52] the gap that we need to

[1:34:54] fill you don't know you have no

[1:34:57] idea cuz we we really need to I thought

[1:35:00] we were that we're

[1:35:04] not well if you're willing to move

[1:35:06] forward with the increases in the water

[1:35:08] and the sewage and cutting the uh salary

[1:35:12] increase in the the health insurance I

[1:35:14] would be support

[1:35:16] that cuz that was what you were getting

[1:35:19] to so I will support that can you repeat

[1:35:22] that

[1:35:23] again getting R of the council salary

[1:35:26] increases as well as cutting the health

[1:35:28] insurance benefits for council

[1:35:37] members for what's that I would have a

[1:35:40] hard time um cutting the health

[1:35:42] insurance for City Council Members I'd

[1:35:45] be happy to C cut the salary increase

[1:35:47] for council

[1:35:50] members

[1:35:52] so we're still at like there's a major

[1:35:55] Gap if we're you know if if we even that

[1:35:59] that's just done the fun so we really

[1:36:01] need to if we're seriously talking about

[1:36:02] making some adjustments here we have to

[1:36:04] seriously look at places that's going to

[1:36:06] really make a difference and we can get

[1:36:08] to a place where we can get a a budget

[1:36:10] pass so um Mr M um you know you are the

[1:36:15] chair Finance

[1:36:16] so leaving this in your hands but you

[1:36:19] know we all if we all have to I think

[1:36:22] provide input and what we're we're

[1:36:26] willing to um make movement and um

[1:36:30] sometimes they're not going to

[1:36:30] everybody's not going to get everything

[1:36:32] that they want and I'm certainly not

[1:36:34] necessarily in favor of just passing the

[1:36:37] budget that the may put forward um I

[1:36:39] don't think that's ever happened since

[1:36:41] I've been on the council where the

[1:36:42] budget just been moved forward we've

[1:36:43] made decreases we've made um reductions

[1:36:46] before and and we're still standing so I

[1:36:50] think we have the serious to look and

[1:36:52] see where people are willing

[1:36:55] to look at making either reductions or

[1:36:58] agreeing that they will

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[1:37:03] um other Cuts have been made and so

[1:37:05] therefore people who are standing firm

[1:37:08] um look at there have been concessions

[1:37:10] made and are just not standing with 100%

[1:37:13] what the the budget that the mayor's

[1:37:14] been forward respect that that's the

[1:37:16] mayor's responsibility but also respect

[1:37:18] that it's our responsibility to review

[1:37:20] it

[1:37:30] so I'm happy to go back over the

[1:37:32] positions I mean the thing that I really

[1:37:33] don't want to see happen is the police

[1:37:35] and fire over

[1:37:38] time well based on what the decreases that the that other folks

[1:37:43] on the council are suggesting those are

[1:37:45] the two things that I'm very concerned

[1:37:48] about that's part sorry sorry that is

[1:37:51] part of my concession in terms of U

[1:37:54] let's revisit the um 2023 highight and

[1:37:58] 2024 new fill and whatever savings we

[1:38:01] get there we can push it back towards

[1:38:02] the police and I didn't hear you say

[1:38:04] that I made that very clear here because

[1:38:07] at this point in

[1:38:10] time there's no reason for us to roll

[1:38:13] these position over fund them we're

[1:38:15] having a hard time F them and then

[1:38:17] adding more into 2024 I'm sorry I didn't

[1:38:19] hear you say that and then look at the

[1:38:21] savings from that and then push it back

[1:38:29] fight so some of us I mean Mr Willams

[1:38:32] are making concession we're making

[1:38:33] concession we all need to come together

[1:38:35] as one it's hard we cannot just dig our

[1:38:38] heels in a sand and say well the budget

[1:38:40] is okay may position May has a right to

[1:38:44] present his budget and he has a right to

[1:38:46] say he doesn't want any c if you were

[1:38:49] the mayor or I'm the mayor I would do

[1:38:50] the same thing my budget is good and for

[1:38:54] it is our responsibility to the taxpayer

[1:38:56] to look out for their best

[1:38:58] interest and that is our job here as

[1:39:01] seven of us here we need to do

[1:39:04] that and if we sit here and we can't out

[1:39:07] for them what is the purpose of us being

[1:39:19] here I'm waiting for us to to revisit

[1:39:22] the the updated um sheet for the 20 23

[1:39:28] vacancies and to also look at the 2024

[1:39:31] um new fills that are being proposed we

[1:39:34] can go through it today we can go

[1:39:36] through it tomorrow I have no is to with

[1:39:39] that go ahead please no this is actually

[1:39:41] the most talking we've done so i' say

[1:39:43] stay uh definitely uh I appreciate the comments from both both parts I just

[1:39:49] want to get some clarity is that is that

[1:39:51] an addition to the proposed Water and

[1:39:54] Sewer increases or you talking about in

[1:39:56] replacement of

[1:39:59] those well we we can address it side by

[1:40:01] side and look at it okay and narrow

[1:40:04] it so at this point time you're not

[1:40:07] necessarily against um only 50% or so

[1:40:10] you just want to look at everything in

[1:40:12] this entirety yes both water 50% that Mr

[1:40:15] William suggested and let's look at some

[1:40:18] session on the vacancies and new fills

[1:40:21] and then we'll look at it side by side

[1:40:22] and see where we are okay and if I can

[1:40:25] support that 50% or maybe I suggest a

[1:40:28] little

[1:40:36] more I'm happy to keep

[1:40:39] going this

[1:40:42] evening and look at

[1:40:46] that

[1:40:47] so everyone has all if you want to

[1:40:52] there was an updated sheet on on the on

[1:40:54] the fil vacancies yeah

[1:41:02] 2024 I think it's these three

[1:41:19] pieces do everybody have

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[1:41:44] [Applause]

[1:41:49] it

[1:41:52] so miss mik who's going to make copies

[1:41:54] for anyone that doesn't have them

[1:41:57] right we have this up data because we

[1:41:59] had remove a few I think we just removed

[1:42:02] the ips3 for

[1:42:04] it I

[1:42:06] think equipment operator was also

[1:42:11] removed was on the moo equipment oh yes

[1:42:15] M Equipment Operator mechanic one

[1:42:19] is

[1:42:21] I

[1:42:22] think right to there one that was

[1:42:27] removed REM two two removed I think

[1:42:31] you're right that

[1:42:33] motor

[1:42:35] M motor equipment operator

[1:42:40] mechanic3 that's what the may suggest um

[1:42:43] and then then that that means we'd have

[1:42:46] to put back in the

[1:42:47] $888,000 um position as I recall right

[1:42:51] no that isn't that one that's taking the

[1:42:54] that one is taking the place of two

[1:42:57] right I mean that guy 7110

[1:43:01] yes so we never heard from Mr Von where

[1:43:04] that position where that gentleman was

[1:43:07] with did we have revise the

[1:43:12] she we're all

[1:43:16] done is there any way we can um look at

[1:43:18] this updated um sheet here and Revis

[1:43:21] these

[1:43:22] two

[1:43:27] she she we

[1:43:49] sent

[1:43:59] anyone else need a copy need a

[1:44:19] copy

[1:44:28] the

[1:44:29] may you C you have an

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[1:44:49] exra

[1:45:19] for

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[1:45:49] right

[1:46:20] okay

[1:46:42] [Applause]

[1:46:47] yes yellow highl yellow

[1:47:06] so please so just to get the discussion

[1:47:09] started she with high yellow so the ones

[1:47:13] when highlighted yellow that the mayor

[1:47:15] has already taken out and um then in

[1:47:17] addition to that there was the ips3 that

[1:47:20] was removed during our last discussion

[1:47:23] so after that then the only things

[1:47:26] that's left are the ones that that I

[1:47:29] just I didn't mention it's just like

[1:47:31] just a few positions by friendly

[1:47:49] so

[1:47:56] and the give buttons coordinat is a is a

[1:47:59] grant funded so we're not even

[1:48:19] discussing

[1:48:22] the position

[1:48:49] Main

[1:49:08] so the other positions come to over a

[1:49:11] million

[1:49:18] dollars about to the this one the last

[1:49:22] one um sure I think we discussed it

[1:49:25] already um the last two Rose the L

[1:49:29] inspector risk

[1:49:30] assessor um we were under the impression

[1:49:33] that that person was originally going to

[1:49:35] for next year going to train um C's

[1:49:39] Department in um land inspection but

[1:49:41] that is not the case um so or put in

[1:49:45] that position back to um un position um

[1:49:49] at

[1:49:53] 000 we

[1:50:15] already I guess just to get the ball

[1:50:17] rolling there was the a lot of

[1:50:19] discussion around motor equipment

[1:50:21] operator mechanic 1 position that if I

[1:50:23] can remember correctly was the

[1:50:24] individual working predominantly in the

[1:50:26] night shift based on Mr Nan's position

[1:50:30] of any uh Productions and Staffing being

[1:50:32] returned to the police overtime budget

[1:50:34] would you support removing that position

[1:50:37] and re Reign those can you tell me which

[1:50:39] one you're talking about I'm sorry is it

[1:50:41] you can mention extension is

[1:50:45] 8161

[1:50:48] 85132 motor equip

[1:50:50] me one

[1:50:53] mhm um what would be the cost to the in

[1:50:58] other words that's the one that um would

[1:51:00] save us money on garages I think

[1:51:04] but is that's the

[1:51:07] overnight 11 or

[1:51:10] something

[1:51:18] ties this

[1:51:20] just yeah looking at these outside

[1:51:22] garage expenses of

[1:51:25] $62,400 so I know that the position

[1:51:29] wouldn't be able to fix everything on

[1:51:30] this list but it would I think

[1:51:33] definitely save us some money in outside

[1:51:37] repairs so are you are you suggesting

[1:51:40] that we reduce the fees of service for

[1:51:43] garage ref no no no the position there

[1:51:47] of be in favor of keeping that position

[1:51:50] right but if you're if you're talking

[1:51:51] about reducing that 612,000 then we

[1:51:55] would have to reduce it somewhere in the

[1:51:56] budget if you're because that's what you

[1:51:59] said that that would replace us spending

[1:52:01] some of that money right just some of

[1:52:04] the uh the fleet manager

[1:52:08] position yeah oh you what you're talking

[1:52:11] about we're talking about mechanic oh

[1:52:13] all right I'm sorry 5132 I think okay

[1:52:16] the other one yeah

[1:52:18] 532 I thought the Sleep manager

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[1:52:41] sorry that garage thing broken down

[1:52:46] by you know what kinds of repairs it is

[1:52:50] no

[1:52:52] just so kind

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[1:53:11] of so on that line there so the motor

[1:53:15] vehicle repair is um in the 2023 budget

[1:53:19] was

[1:53:22] $5,000 and so in the

[1:53:27] 24 it

[1:53:29] is so because you're saying that we

[1:53:32] would should reduce that line in order

[1:53:33] to keep the mechanic position is what I

[1:53:35] understood you to

[1:53:37] say no M Mr CH she said we should ruce

[1:53:41] that's 6 no I I thought we were still

[1:53:43] talking about the position of the fet

[1:53:46] manager okay which was already removed

[1:53:49] from the budget I'm sorry okay no which

[1:53:52] from the the motor equipment guy is the

[1:53:54] one that would work over oh after hours

[1:53:58] right so some of these costs would be

[1:54:01] reduced by that

[1:54:03] individual right okay so then I was

[1:54:05] talking about the the overnight

[1:54:06] gentleman who was getting the right so the question is are we then ring some

[1:54:12] of the Fe for services on that long

[1:54:15] since we're our our expectation is that

[1:54:18] we have this gentleman so we would not

[1:54:20] need those outside garages so are you

[1:54:22] suggesting that we remove some of the

[1:54:24] fees for services on

[1:54:25] 5132 well I think we should would be

[1:54:28] able to remove some of them yes I don't

[1:54:30] know what again it's just who we paid

[1:54:33] not what we paid

[1:54:36] for and that will lead to the question

[1:54:38] how much of savings by hiring this

[1:54:40] position how much of the savings are we

[1:54:42] going to get that's why I to attract

[1:54:44] that line and then we can able to

[1:54:46] address

[1:54:48] that I have a a question with all

[1:54:50] respect are you in terms of police and

[1:54:53] fire are you zero in on zero reduction

[1:54:58] because the goal is if we were to say

[1:55:00] okay if you zing and you will vote for

[1:55:02] the support budget 350 700,000 if we

[1:55:05] were to look at savings for

[1:55:07] $700,000 and we push those line back out

[1:55:10] would you support them because we need

[1:55:11] an end game here because we don't want

[1:55:13] to go fishing and say well we're looking

[1:55:16] at the reduction ACH be 777000 is what

[1:55:20] we need to find so that's what we need

[1:55:22] to look at here yes and that will be the

[1:55:23] end goal if that's the case I will

[1:55:25] support this budget with the 50% for the feed that adjusted by U you're

[1:55:31] saying you'd put back in the police and

[1:55:34] fire look at the VY if we can CL back

[1:55:36] some of the vacancies and the new hire

[1:55:38] put it back into

[1:55:41] police yes would you support that my

[1:55:44] that the police and fire are my priority

[1:55:47] so yes I if we to if we can get $770,000

[1:55:52] yes back I don't know how we're going to

[1:55:54] do that but well that's what we need to

[1:55:56] look at that's what I'm asking to

[1:55:57] general question because there need to

[1:55:59] be an outcome because we don't want to

[1:56:00] go fishing and start reducing position

[1:56:02] at the end of the game how how do other

[1:56:04] people feel no I asked you because you mentioned it um your position well

[1:56:08] that is my priority to be that $770,000

[1:56:11] but because it makes no sense us go

[1:56:13] start making reduction again on VES a

[1:56:16] new field and then your position is

[1:56:18] still the same

[1:56:21] how do you guys

[1:56:22] feel about that what's your priority Mr

[1:56:26] M's never answer the question is what is

[1:56:28] the end goal with what he's trying to

[1:56:31] accomplish with the budget the end go

[1:56:33] with the budget well I I st very clear

[1:56:36] we I do have I have an objection on

[1:56:39] terms of agreeing with Mr William's 50%

[1:56:42] increase in water so but if we can go on

[1:56:45] the other side now look at the fils and

[1:56:47] we can bring back that and we can

[1:56:48] address the supp

[1:56:50] fire and then we pretty much maybe have

[1:56:53] a

[1:57:02] budget and you suggesting the only place

[1:57:04] we see there is looking at

[1:57:06] the yes or any other suggested any other

[1:57:09] suggested

[1:57:10] reduction I'm open to any other

[1:57:15] reduction but those are those are the

[1:57:17] one I I focus it on right

[1:57:20] but any me any other member has any

[1:57:21] suggestion in terms of cost

[1:57:24] reduction we can

[1:57:48] inter

[1:57:55] actually this sheet probably would be to

[1:57:57] get updated I believe some of these

[1:57:59] positions might have been filled since

[1:58:00] we first saw this

[1:58:02] sh

[1:58:05] Poss yeah that's why I

[1:58:11] asked we did make some reduction here

[1:58:14] and we did made some

[1:58:16] reduction also but they show up on the

[1:58:19] that uh they just gave us today but then

[1:58:21] it doesn't give us a

[1:58:24] dollar so if we were to look at it we

[1:58:26] going to have to do calculation Bas each

[1:58:29] the

[1:58:30] L right to Mr M point it sounds like

[1:58:33] we're making headways so if we had that

[1:58:36] updated listing of unfill and if our

[1:58:39] current trajectory is finding

[1:58:42] the 770,000

[1:58:45] um that then comes back to uh whether

[1:58:52] seate sorry sorry talking L sorry and

[1:58:57] considering the 50% increase to what was

[1:59:00] it water sewer water and

[1:59:02] sewer that sounds like that's that's

[1:59:05] information that we need to get to to a

[1:59:07] budget that that's voted through did I

[1:59:09] accurately capture

[1:59:11] that

[1:59:13] yes so we need to updated fills

[1:59:17] yes so if you can get up the sheet this

[1:59:20] will help all of

[1:59:21] us because we're going to have to go for

[1:59:23] each and every single one some one the

[1:59:26] she

[1:59:29] back we don't have

[1:59:48] do

[1:59:51] that's what I

[1:59:54] was I believe when we talked about them

[1:59:57] some of them were positions that people

[1:59:59] were being

[2:00:01] ined right think during the course of

[2:00:04] our

[2:00:07] [Music]

[2:00:09] discussion

[2:00:11] Mr this is so um Mr Guk said that some

[2:00:15] of these positions may have been filled

[2:00:16] since we started this process and HR

[2:00:18] would have run the

[2:00:38] report I mean other than these looking

[2:00:41] at the these unfill position and a new

[2:00:44] proposed position or anything else that

[2:00:47] in mind that we should just maybe a

[2:00:49] discussion discuss it or we don't have

[2:00:51] anything else in mind I don't at the end

[2:00:54] goal we need about 3

[2:00:58] 7787 what do we need

[2:01:00] 777 77 going with your number 777 and

[2:01:03] I'm making a concession because I made

[2:01:05] it very clear that I do not

[2:01:08] want at the table here sometimes we have

[2:01:10] to make concession all of us should

[2:01:12] consider

[2:01:14] that except for one thing this does

[2:01:16] absolutely nothing to address the

[2:01:18] deficit

[2:01:32] so what are you suggesting let's got

[2:01:33] some to address a deficit well you would

[2:01:36] have you would have to put the fees in

[2:01:39] and I would suggest with some of the

[2:01:41] cutting of the positions I have no issue

[2:01:43] with some of those yeah let's look

[2:01:45] overall let's look at it I mean we could

[2:01:47] just look at them we could clerical Aid

[2:01:49] I have no issue taking out program

[2:01:52] director both of those weren't in the

[2:01:54] budget to begin with the deputy register

[2:01:57] and the city clerk I have no issue

[2:01:59] taking out matter of fact I would city

[2:02:01] clerk that's what it says here the

[2:02:04] deputy register Deputy register in the

[2:02:07] city clerk's office oh okay I thought

[2:02:09] you said just Play City cler and but

[2:02:12] that's the first two already removed and

[2:02:15] the third one somebody's being moved

[2:02:16] into that no they were put back in

[2:02:22] I thought they were I thought they were

[2:02:23] in the budget no they weren't in the

[2:02:25] budget they were put back in yeah yeah no no no uh I don't think we ever

[2:02:29] agreed to put those second that was my

[2:02:31] understanding no we never

[2:02:33] the we hard from um Mr Gardner on HR

[2:02:40] there were no movements on

[2:02:43] that I do have a question so those the

[2:02:46] only two

[2:02:47] that go ahead please so but my

[2:02:50] understanding though and um this

[2:02:51] question is for the mayor is that did

[2:02:53] someone actually interview for one of

[2:02:55] these

[2:02:56] positions I'm sorry you said for the

[2:02:59] okay so we're talking about um either

[2:03:02] the clerical Aid or the program

[2:03:03] coordinator in the affirmative action

[2:03:05] office um my understanding that somebody

[2:03:07] actually interviewed for those one of

[2:03:09] those

[2:03:09] positions and so I guess we need to

[2:03:12] really have a discussion is whether we

[2:03:14] need to leave one of those positions in

[2:03:15] the budget as we're having this

[2:03:17] discussion right it's not there hiring

[2:03:19] but I haven't made any decision on

[2:03:21] hiring we have

[2:03:25] interview so you say it's not there

[2:03:27] you're not hiring well if the position

[2:03:29] if you abolish the position I'm not

[2:03:31] going to hire somebody so which position

[2:03:33] did you hire did you excuse me interview

[2:03:36] for we actually had candidates for both

[2:03:39] those positions been locked out okay but

[2:03:42] you're you're you're not funding them

[2:03:44] into 2024 your proposed budget right

[2:03:47] those are out so so if if if you are

[2:03:51] interviewing for them in 2023 you're not

[2:03:53] we had interviewed but they're not in

[2:03:56] the budget

[2:03:59] okay interview one person they accepted

[2:04:02] job they never show up yeah my

[2:04:04] understand there was a recent interview

[2:04:06] recent I did not hear about a recent

[2:04:08] interview yes okay there was a recent

[2:04:11] interview since we started the budget

[2:04:14] process so so they're already out anyway

[2:04:18] oh should people saying if the proposal

[2:04:22] is to not fund it in the in the proposed

[2:04:25] budget and why are we interviewing

[2:04:27] because sometimes we interview for other

[2:04:29] departments that are open too who's the

[2:04:31] person it was specifically for that have

[2:04:33] no idea I'm just saying for other other

[2:04:37] jobs what we do is we interview and then

[2:04:39] we try to place them in a department has

[2:04:42] an

[2:04:47] open

[2:04:52] so those two

[2:04:53] are yeah the first two the first two in

[2:04:56] the budget and may didn't propos to fund

[2:04:59] it4 we so just we keep it the same

[2:05:13] [Music]

[2:05:17] way and the de it's it says that

[2:05:21] someone's going to be moving into that

[2:05:22] position so I don't say we abolish it

[2:05:24] that person currently works for the

[2:05:28] city M Michael can you update us on

[2:05:31] that what is the position in terms of he

[2:05:34] says will be moved to this position

[2:05:37] final line please so the ips3 position

[2:05:41] um should be taking a promotion into the

[2:05:43] deputy register our

[2:05:47] position

[2:05:50] so is the ips3 position then thus open

[2:05:54] that will be that's in your office

[2:05:59] yeah how many IPS you have overall in

[2:06:02] this

[2:06:03] apartment one ips3 two clerical

[2:06:09] a and you also have a deputy Deputy city

[2:06:12] clerk

[2:06:17] yes

[2:06:23] since this person has been mov toi there

[2:06:26] if we were to say if I'm just using

[2:06:29] this not from the IPS what impact would

[2:06:33] that have in your

[2:06:37] office just processing

[2:06:40] times processing times fing

[2:06:45] just

[2:06:47] everything where we've

[2:06:50] gotten more work than we've ever had

[2:06:53] before we've had um now zoning uh

[2:06:58] applications put in we now have the

[2:07:00] ethics uh meetings there to

[2:07:04] determinations all their decisions

[2:07:07] uh there's just added you

[2:07:13] know added workload to our

[2:07:17] office

[2:07:19] and this is serving the public so let's

[2:07:20] just be clear about that and

[2:07:22] additionally we're going to be

[2:07:24] um updating our dog licensing program so

[2:07:29] that it's online it currently we're

[2:07:32] entering everything twice one into the

[2:07:34] old system and into now into the new

[2:07:36] system for

[2:07:38] testing so it's just slowing everything

[2:07:47] down

[2:07:58] and a clerical Aid parttime position

[2:08:01] code

[2:08:03] enforcement on and off with

[2:08:07] that this morning did so there were two

[2:08:12] we said we were the um suggestion no no no the line before just the one so

[2:08:17] you've hired someone today perfect

[2:08:18] so that's not B we did remove one of the

[2:08:21] Court enforcement officer from our prior

[2:08:25] discussion so there still

[2:08:27] two vacant though

[2:08:30] right just one just one because we one

[2:08:33] position the supervisor is still um

[2:08:47] vacant

[2:08:50] the Community Development

[2:08:52] supervisor looks like it's still

[2:08:55] vacant Community Development supervisor

[2:08:59] that's still again that's 100%

[2:09:17] funded

[2:09:23] the next one is a

[2:09:24] planner this position is on and off fil

[2:09:29] and

[2:09:33] vacant this this the city planner's

[2:09:36] office

[2:09:40] so I I don't I don't necessarily think

[2:09:42] that we should remove that one planning

[2:09:44] is a huge part of what we do so think we

[2:09:48] should

[2:09:49] really consider leaving that there if at

[2:09:51] all

[2:09:59] possible any other question on

[2:10:01] that the next one is assistant to the

[2:10:04] city engineer I think we did remove that

[2:10:06] I think so too yes that's already out

[2:10:09] right just want to remind you keep Mr

[2:10:12] keep keep saying that we don't know any

[2:10:14] fills that have been through HR yeah

[2:10:16] we're just going through okay

[2:10:19] discussion we making

[2:10:21] not I'm Finance team is making notes

[2:10:25] also civil engineer I think we moov that

[2:10:28] back if we were proposing to move that

[2:10:30] into Pizza service but be keeping

[2:10:37] that IPS 3 engineering

[2:10:45] department I think they interviewed

[2:10:47] somebody today

[2:10:49] Chris

[2:10:49] W all

[2:10:53] right they really need somebody over

[2:10:59] there the junior civil engineer I think

[2:11:02] we put that

[2:11:05] [Music]

[2:11:07] back it's removed it's removed it's

[2:11:13] [Music]

[2:11:15] removed oh yeah that was already moved

[2:11:17] before got the budget that wasn't there

[2:11:19] so that really should not even be on the

[2:11:20] sheet it not even

[2:11:22] there when we got the

[2:11:35] budget and the next one is a senior

[2:11:38] engineering

[2:11:39] technician is

[2:11:46] that as well

[2:11:50] [Music]

[2:12:06] okay so we can verify that I mean after

[2:12:09] we through this we making not

[2:12:13] on upd the sheet in terms of Who U Got A

[2:12:19] we last discussed this HR assistant I

[2:12:22] think that was removed from the24

[2:12:24] budget the payroll audit we're waiting

[2:12:28] for test

[2:12:32] results CS that's the civil service test

[2:12:37] result we talk about taking

[2:12:44] test assistant to the Corporation

[2:12:47] Council we did remove move one position

[2:12:51] correct the IP Innovation and

[2:12:55] performance specialist that

[2:12:57] is

[2:12:59] vacant on and

[2:13:06] [Music]

[2:13:11] off go ahead please so so just um I know

[2:13:14] that the mayor that there I saw a job

[2:13:17] announcement for so are you are you

[2:13:18] trying to fill that position currently

[2:13:21] we

[2:13:23] are so can I ask not having that how

[2:13:27] does it impact your

[2:13:33] office go back had trouble filling it

[2:13:37] had people in it when you look at the

[2:13:39] reports that were done

[2:13:41] before you know it's a specific

[2:13:44] expertise in some of the software was

[2:13:46] improving the overall efficiency in the

[2:13:48] city it's how do you get departments to

[2:13:51] work together and how do you

[2:13:54] get those data point so we can see what

[2:13:57] the trends are and I would ask you to

[2:14:01] leave that

[2:14:04] in okay thank

[2:14:08] you director of

[2:14:12] Sol we

[2:14:16] that no there's no

[2:14:26] you said I was removed for sure we'll

[2:14:29] make not and verify

[2:14:34] that's that was oh yeah it was removed

[2:14:37] that was the one comb the jobs they got

[2:14:40] rid of

[2:14:42] that

[2:14:45] combine oh got you and what was it and

[2:14:48] so Street manager Street manager

[2:14:52] oh that one kind already

[2:14:56] okay the mom streets we did remove one

[2:15:00] of them corre and they

[2:15:03] are three

[2:15:11] vacancies on

[2:15:16] that

[2:15:20] is fed by ARA and one

[2:15:26] from so um my point on that is that the

[2:15:30] ones that are funded by arpa eventually

[2:15:32] we're not going to have arpa fund so um

[2:15:35] I know we talked about one I don't know

[2:15:36] if anybody heard from anyone regarding

[2:15:38] that so um I know streets is like

[2:15:42] probably place where we we need every

[2:15:46] position so the streets is like snow

[2:15:48] with our trash removal so

[2:15:51] um I'm suggest me think that through if

[2:15:54] we can get to the number we need to get

[2:15:58] to are

[2:16:00] you put back to one position I'm

[2:16:03] suggesting we that we keep um

[2:16:06] three because we already removed one I

[2:16:09] understand that um so and I would like

[2:16:12] to know the in Total Staffing in that

[2:16:13] department

[2:16:16] too I know that he can't say that right

[2:16:18] now but no can you ask the question yes

[2:16:22] get that you

[2:16:39] tomorrow moving on the next one is a

[2:16:41] seasonal um labor

[2:16:46] loader best deal we

[2:16:48] have yeah look like the best

[2:16:52] we because we because we don't get

[2:16:55] because what know because know they able

[2:16:57] to come in they get to work you they

[2:17:00] have abilities to get their permit for

[2:17:03] CDL if they want we teach them and you

[2:17:07] know if if they're really good we keep

[2:17:09] mind if they're not good we lay them

[2:17:16] off

[2:17:18] any okay Property Management

[2:17:21] car he's already out he's out that's out

[2:17:40] already okay let's move on the Water Fun

[2:17:46] APS

[2:17:48] that is filled and Vac just want remind

[2:17:51] you water s fun you can't use that money

[2:17:53] for police

[2:18:02] I

[2:18:04] [Music]

[2:18:05] so

[2:18:07] only help

[2:18:16] water we have the water maintenance

[2:18:19] worker I think

[2:18:23] um if we not

[2:18:28] cut it's not

[2:18:31] on that's general f oh that's

[2:18:36] right we did

[2:18:39] too

[2:18:45] someone I don't have that I don't have

[2:18:47] that

[2:18:48] you put it back

[2:18:53] in put it back in V to put back in water

[2:18:57] think that

[2:18:58] was water taken

[2:19:04] anybody that was a

[2:19:10] compromise to put to keep four or to put

[2:19:13] back keep four was a compromise yes I

[2:19:16] remember oh we

[2:19:23] okay well for all looking everything

[2:19:26] here at this point in

[2:19:34] time the next one is a senior operator

[2:19:37] water ping that's one

[2:19:46] position

[2:19:49] and the next one is a water treatment

[2:19:52] plan in inal

[2:20:01] in that is a half a position yeah the

[2:20:04] other half is the other half

[2:20:16] is going so the first position the not

[2:20:19] here is this position

[2:20:23] itself and then the waste water mechanic

[2:20:27] there two position

[2:20:36] here W water treatment plant operator

[2:20:39] that is

[2:20:43] f the other one the training is removed

[2:20:45] we took that out you took it out no that

[2:20:48] was REM from

[2:20:50] [Music]

[2:20:53] the we did still one they have from

[2:20:57] above and then we have the SE

[2:20:59] maintenance work they have two

[2:21:03] vacancies

[2:21:06] says looks like

[2:21:08] they're

[2:21:10] filled I don't know it says vacant then

[2:21:13] filled again so it says filled right now

[2:21:15] in

[2:21:16] 2023

[2:21:20] they're filled in

[2:21:23] [Music]

[2:21:32] 2023 we can then move on to the sheet

[2:21:36] this one and just go through

[2:21:39] and what initially remove and discussion

[2:21:43] on

[2:21:45] the that's the 24 uh new

[2:21:52] positions initially we had removed the

[2:21:55] ips3 for it and the M equipment mechanic

[2:21:59] is that correct

[2:22:01] [Music]

[2:22:02] MH all the others the CD admin assistant

[2:22:07] and the lead inspector those are all

[2:22:10] funded through

[2:22:11] grants so keep those

[2:22:16] out

[2:22:26] so I don't think there's I'm not really

[2:22:28] sure what's left not much it doesn't

[2:22:31] look like

[2:22:34] there don't you have the the ips3 for

[2:22:37] Utilities in the IT

[2:22:40] specialist

[2:22:42] the can the other one give a f that's a

[2:22:46] grant also

[2:22:49] yes

[2:22:51] please me ask let make a littleit not I

[2:22:55] just I just want to comment though on

[2:22:57] the um the ips3 and the IT department

[2:22:59] we've already had discussions that are

[2:23:02] um

[2:23:03] that uh the head of the department who

[2:23:05] does a lot of it well that does the

[2:23:07] signal is going to be leaving and so a

[2:23:10] lot of the work that he's currently

[2:23:12] doing still going to need people in

[2:23:14] place and some of those Duties are going

[2:23:15] to be dispersed so um I think I would

[2:23:19] caution against moving too much out of

[2:23:21] the it

[2:23:24] area we did you mean the

[2:23:29] utilities you mean the utilities one I

[2:23:31] think right I don't yeah I don't think

[2:23:33] we should do

[2:23:35] that but he also said it specialist and

[2:23:38] again some of those duties is As I

[2:23:40] understood um signal superintendent to

[2:23:43] say that some of the duties that he's

[2:23:44] currently doing will be dispersed among

[2:23:46] some of these position

[2:24:01] so the next one

[2:24:04] um this

[2:24:06] m we have two

[2:24:16] there

[2:24:27] [Music]

[2:24:30] for the par

[2:24:45] yes

[2:24:57] ex so we don't know at this point in

[2:24:59] time

[2:25:00] what what position has been

[2:25:04] F from our so

[2:25:15] now

[2:25:27] are there any other

[2:25:28] suggested changes done these so we

[2:25:31] discuss

[2:25:45] here

[2:25:50] I don't have any other suggestions I

[2:25:52] mean so we have to know a report from HR

[2:25:55] like what has been filled in the metime

[2:25:56] and also what we just discussed what

[2:25:59] that dollar amount eques

[2:26:06] to I know Miss Patrick said that she

[2:26:09] would support the budget we made those

[2:26:11] um concessions in favor of getting up

[2:26:14] the full ask for both the police and

[2:26:16] fire um s Toro are you how would you

[2:26:19] weigh in on

[2:26:21] that

[2:26:23] um i' like to see the numbers first I

[2:26:25] want to know I I'm just going over those

[2:26:27] lines I I can't see much that we're

[2:26:29] going to cut

[2:26:32] 777000 in fills so I really want to

[2:26:38] see get that that will give us a salary

[2:26:41] and plus the benefits benefits so there

[2:26:43] will be a higher number side by side

[2:27:01] so Mr far can we have sheet regard

[2:27:05] to completely remove completely remove

[2:27:08] what we had initially

[2:27:10] removed and look at remaining and as you

[2:27:14] can see there's hardly

[2:27:15] any remaining

[2:27:19] I'm it's

[2:27:22] coming uh I have no problem I get it to

[2:27:25] you as soon as I can

[2:27:27] tomorrow

[2:27:29] um is it possible for you to email this

[2:27:32] so rather than us sh on f i I would

[2:27:35] rather do that tell you the truth email

[2:27:37] it to us sure so that we have all of us

[2:27:39] have a time to R it prior to us at

[2:27:43] 5:30 okay we do a first thing in the

[2:27:45] morning we'll get it out try to get out

[2:27:48] soon as

[2:27:49] possible there's no no way to think

[2:27:52] about instead of

[2:27:54] a150 increase in the waste to 75 cents

[2:27:57] cut that in half from 1.7 to 800

[2:28:00] something thousand you get the you get

[2:28:02] the uh uh the overtime for uh Mrs

[2:28:07] Patrick and then you have a you can

[2:28:09] reduce uh you can reduce uh uh fund

[2:28:11] balance by the other 100,000 for Mr

[2:28:15] uh me

[2:28:17] so we're

[2:28:19] reducing uh you know the two big things

[2:28:22] that we're looking

[2:28:25] at oh so you want us to go revisit the

[2:28:27] waight is that what you're saying thr it

[2:28:30] out there fing against Mr mood variance

[2:28:33] point that again

[2:28:35] is one individual making concessions and

[2:28:38] another individual saying I want to full

[2:28:43] ask not going to mention it again

[2:28:49] water and sword that that is that is

[2:28:51] that was water and sword this is general

[2:28:53] I'm just trying to just trying to help

[2:28:54] you guys along that's all I appreciate

[2:28:57] that I'm looking at these uh numbers for

[2:28:59] these jobs just they're not adding up

[2:29:02] there nothing going to be enough is that

[2:29:03] what you said doesn't seem to me I mean

[2:29:06] dere what you

[2:29:07] think see tomorrow

[2:29:15] morning

[2:29:17] unless uh any other member has any any

[2:29:20] other suggested changes other than the

[2:29:23] vacancies and new

[2:29:25] propos we can so we have it on the table

[2:29:29] look at it first tomorrow

[2:29:33] morning well there's my suggested Cuts

[2:29:36] as well as I think we should cut the uh

[2:29:39] expenditures for the um outside

[2:29:42] attorneys and I also think can we can we

[2:29:49] just yourest Chang property 4K will you

[2:29:54] just estim outside attorney pretty close

[2:29:58] yeah outside attorneys the

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[2:30:02] um extra money for the

[2:30:06] cprb I would

[2:30:09] reduce extra money that's the uh so send

[2:30:12] two people instead of one person I'm

[2:30:15] fine with one person

[2:30:19] how was that was like 5,000 $3,000 a

[2:30:23] person

[2:30:25] about just want to

[2:30:28] make got rid of the outside

[2:30:33] Council I think right we already got rid

[2:30:36] of the no for cprb I think we got rid of

[2:30:38] the whole thing yeah we did that was

[2:30:41] my yeah that was uh on the CPR that that

[2:30:44] was removed theide Council m MH that's

[2:30:48] correct the only one is available is

[2:30:50] under the city council

[2:30:53] correct and the department which I don't

[2:30:56] suggest we touch it

[2:30:59] on

[2:31:01] depart which you talking talking about

[2:31:03] the 25k that we put it last year and we

[2:31:06] 15,000 correct to this year under the

[2:31:09] city council we remove the cprb

[2:31:12] completely out5 and reduce the other one

[2:31:15] by 10

[2:31:18] city council

[2:31:19] yes city council correct

[2:31:22] yes make so we're not going back and for

[2:31:28] here but you're saying CPR $5,000

[2:31:33] move so just that

[2:31:38] okay I I don't I don't support that I

[2:31:40] think that work is important and that

[2:31:42] they they are not compensated some

[2:31:44] boards are that we have so the

[2:31:45] opportunity do training so that they

[2:31:47] could do to the best ability I don't um

[2:31:50] feel like one person necessarily should

[2:31:52] be have only have the opportunity to go

[2:31:54] so I don't support that like I said we

[2:31:56] pay other boards for a lot less time and

[2:32:01] this board isn't paid at all this is

[2:32:02] just something to improve their skill

[2:32:04] set to serve the

[2:32:14] city so um and I just wanted to also

[2:32:17] just rais the question are we keeping

[2:32:18] the mechanic one

[2:32:21] position that position which P am on on

[2:32:26] yeah just okay so it's um a

[2:32:30] 5132 it was the motor operator that the

[2:32:33] overnight

[2:32:34] position that we had

[2:32:45] discussed

[2:32:50] it's up for

[2:32:53] discussion

[2:32:54] $5,000

[2:33:06] benefit I I made my position clear but

[2:33:09] Mr umon said that we really need it so

[2:33:12] if we're going to do that then um to

[2:33:14] missor suggest I guess we should look at

[2:33:17] the fees for services fees for Serv

[2:33:20] because this is supposed to save us

[2:33:22] money well it's also designed to improve

[2:33:26] the efficiency so that we're doing

[2:33:28] maintenance work on

[2:33:30] vehicles off the 8:4 9 to5 schedule so

[2:33:34] that the vehicles are ready to go the

[2:33:37] following morning as opposed to having

[2:33:39] them take it out of

[2:33:41] circulation during the day when people

[2:33:43] would want to use it so are you saying

[2:33:46] there will be no we don't expect to see

[2:33:48] any savings by having this

[2:33:52] position

[2:33:55] there where you have an oil

[2:33:57] change you still have to have the oil

[2:34:00] change if you do it 9 to5 you take the

[2:34:05] card out of circulation so we can't use

[2:34:07] it if you do it 3 to 11 or whatever that

[2:34:11] time frame is you can have the vehicle

[2:34:14] back in service

[2:34:17] the following

[2:34:18] morning now some of those hopefully we

[2:34:21] would pick up some savings but you're

[2:34:24] still going to have to pay for an oil

[2:34:25] change you're still going to have to do

[2:34:27] some of that work and you have to ask

[2:34:31] Paul specifically what we think some of

[2:34:33] those incremental savings could be but

[2:34:37] just we're looking for operational

[2:34:39] efficiency is the big thing in that

[2:34:41] position so I'm yeah I'm clear on that I

[2:34:43] just want to know if if we're having

[2:34:45] this position position for our

[2:34:46] operational efficiency and we're sending

[2:34:49] some of these cars out now to do some of

[2:34:51] the work this individual would be

[2:34:53] assigned to do so we on our fees for

[2:34:55] service lines is a reasonable amount to

[2:34:59] um to see if we can get those

[2:35:01] savings but miss my point we're going to

[2:35:03] still have to when we send the car out

[2:35:05] we pay for the oil change outside I'm

[2:35:07] saying we do the oil change inous M

[2:35:11] we're not necessarily saving money like

[2:35:15] that

[2:35:16] well according to Mr fa because we have

[2:35:18] to transport the car somebody's time all

[2:35:20] that

[2:35:20] [Music]

[2:35:23] so I understand what you're that's a

[2:35:26] savings of work not Savings of money so

[2:35:28] instead of sending two people to

[2:35:31] specifically what to the dealership to

[2:35:33] get the oil changed you do it here those

[2:35:36] two individuals can now stay working

[2:35:39] well there if we're if we're having some

[2:35:41] of the overnight doing some of this work

[2:35:42] I it's hard for me to understand why

[2:35:44] we're not having some savings if this

[2:35:46] person is doing additional work that

[2:35:47] we're now sending out it just doesn't

[2:35:50] make sense that right so ask Paul

[2:35:54] anticipate

[2:35:56] SCH so can we have that question until

[2:36:00] Paul

[2:36:14] please

[2:36:27] oh oh I forgot what to

[2:36:44] do

[2:36:48] any other

[2:36:54] [Music]

[2:37:04] suggest and just to add more rep that is

[2:37:08] on page

[2:37:10] 36 just for for us to you

[2:37:14] know clarity

[2:37:16] a 5132

[2:37:20] 462 that line is budget last year for

[2:37:24] 950

[2:37:27] 95,000 and they asked um for 2024 is

[2:37:32] 999,000 so it's actually going

[2:37:36] up it's cting

[2:37:39] materials no I just I just want to

[2:37:41] highlight that

[2:37:44] all

[2:37:49] [Applause]

[2:37:57] what was the

[2:37:58] number oh page

[2:38:01] 36 last year 999,000 was um in the

[2:38:05] adoped budget I got it thank you and

[2:38:07] 2024 proposed was

[2:38:14] 990,000

[2:38:44] o

[2:38:47] so I think it's worth noting we're

[2:38:49] moveing to an apparent recess it's

[2:38:51] getting the accurate listing of unfilled

[2:38:53] but viewing those compared to the

[2:38:56] significance police and fire not getting

[2:38:58] their full overtime ask so that's the

[2:39:01] conversation that we're trying to

[2:39:04] answer so I know that every department

[2:39:07] has a need but based on Mr Toro's Excuse

[2:39:10] Me Miss Patrick I apologize Miss

[2:39:12] Patrick's comments um that is one of her

[2:39:15] Strunk on so I that is what we're

[2:39:18] looking to answer tomorrow I think I'm

[2:39:20] the only person though that said that so

[2:39:22] not everybody actually has uh weigh in

[2:39:24] on the Police Empire except

[2:39:35] for well I'm waai in but not in terms of

[2:39:38] like fully funding um so I you know I I

[2:39:41] point out that we

[2:39:44] have we there's been a lot of um funding

[2:39:48] that we've given toward towards the

[2:39:49] police department throughout the year

[2:39:51] throughout the years and whenever we um

[2:39:54] give additional funding it's always been

[2:39:56] that this is going to help us reduce our

[2:39:58] overtime that is always what our

[2:40:00] understanding is uh I I can tell you

[2:40:02] this because if we put sro's in the

[2:40:04] school and that was a major ask and do

[2:40:06] we now begin to look at whether um

[2:40:09] having SRO and schools is is what we

[2:40:11] should be doing or should be putting

[2:40:13] officers back on the street given the

[2:40:15] fact that the school has a safety

[2:40:19] team so I think even the school district

[2:40:22] has said that the SR have been very very

[2:40:25] important to have a school also think

[2:40:27] they give us money for they're pay

[2:40:29] they're paying for those yeah they pay

[2:40:31] for the but the fact is we're talking

[2:40:34] about there's like n enough officers on

[2:40:35] the street so approaching it from that

[2:40:38] perspective School District generates

[2:40:41] enough calls to support those officers

[2:40:44] so good we put them out on the street

[2:40:46] it's only on paper because they're going

[2:40:48] to be responding to calls that are

[2:40:51] originating from the schools we have to

[2:40:53] look at every aspect of how we're

[2:40:55] utilizing our

[2:40:57] Workforce my stance has been very clear

[2:40:59] on the police over time and overtime

[2:41:02] budget since the

[2:41:05] beginning so don't need to say the other

[2:41:08] thing we have to consider is if we once

[2:41:10] all these amounts are calculated if we

[2:41:13] still don't get to to fully fun

[2:41:16] um both police and fire overtime then

[2:41:19] you know we should be figuring about how

[2:41:21] we're going to figure that out so that

[2:41:24] needs to be something to think about we

[2:41:25] don't know the numbers yet but it may

[2:41:28] not be the number that we

[2:41:33] need understand but we should also look

[2:41:36] at fees for service I'm just suggesting

[2:41:38] Stu I'm not saying

[2:41:40] that we should look at that as a body

[2:41:42] here since we have already looked at the

[2:41:45] VES new proposal why the suggestion on

[2:41:49] my side is to look at the fees of

[2:41:50] service and to achieve what we set up to

[2:41:54] achieve here

[2:41:57] because I think in doing that we should

[2:42:00] definitely be looking at the year-to DAT

[2:42:01] as well so that we're you know we you

[2:42:04] haven't specified the department but if

[2:42:06] we're going to be looking at fees for

[2:42:07] service I think for each department that

[2:42:09] we look at that we should also look at

[2:42:10] their year-to dat

[2:42:11] stance is that a separate report can we

[2:42:14] pull for that yeah we're going to

[2:42:16] till as of tomorrow actual as of today

[2:42:21] as of

[2:42:25] today 30 60 days by the time

[2:42:28] [Music]

[2:42:32] us and we can look at that and then look

[2:42:35] at the savings on these there after you

[2:42:38] provide us the report on the vaces on

[2:42:44] the

[2:42:53] any other suggestion that we can give

[2:42:57] to so they can bring some numbers back

[2:42:59] to us look at

[2:43:01] it it's not it's not that you're you're

[2:43:04] making sub to cut it's not bringing it

[2:43:07] to table so that we can look at it on a

[2:43:08] broader scale and see if we can get some

[2:43:11] more because the end of the day whatever

[2:43:15] we save will help

[2:43:17] um two

[2:43:20] [Music]

[2:43:21] departments and I'm willing to do

[2:43:26] that I'm not going to take my

[2:43:28] Ang here to make a session and follow I

[2:43:33] encourage all of us to do this thing

[2:43:39] please look over the budget this evening

[2:43:41] when you go

[2:43:42] home I know I know it's painful

[2:43:55] so there's I don't think there's nothing

[2:43:57] else we can do at this point in time um

[2:43:59] we have um takeaways from here for Mr

[2:44:02] and his team to work on for us tomorrow

[2:44:05] please email that to

[2:44:06] us

[2:44:08] dates can I thr some suggestions job

[2:44:11] still it it is your job and your

[2:44:14] responsibility and if you can get that

[2:44:16] email to us so we will have we will look

[2:44:19] at it ahead of time try to get before

[2:44:21] the afternoon actually and I encourage

[2:44:23] every memb to please check your email

[2:44:24] look at it come back with your

[2:44:25] suggestion and let's um see where we are

[2:44:28] and we're here tomorrow 5 I think right

[2:44:30] yes we already called for that meeting

[2:44:32] smart the morning

[2:44:44] think

[2:45:14] for

[2:45:15] we didn't update the revenue from the school district with regard to

[2:45:19] police take yeah I don't think we update

[2:45:22] that that was

[2:45:23] Clos I think we got last year and I

[2:45:26] think we got two quarters of this year

[2:45:28] yes we didn't get the third quarter

[2:45:30] there's a facil increase in 2020 2% 2%

[2:45:33] yeah and then actually year it's three

[2:45:37] two three okay but you know like I say

[2:45:40] it's not 100% those guys they only get

[2:45:43] forgot how much is per person they get

[2:45:48] you want it's not I'm saying that the portion of uh benefits they don't

[2:45:53] get

[2:45:55] just the SS the SS schools yeah yeah we

[2:45:59] need to yeah we should we should revisit

[2:46:02] those

[2:46:10] contracts

[2:46:12] right yeah was any more time here I

[2:46:16] think so we'll recess until tomorrow um

[2:46:20] 5:00

[2:46:21] p.m. and anticipating and you're going

[2:46:23] to have all those information to us try

[2:46:26] to get to as much as you can and

[2:46:28] appreciate it so motion to recess until

[2:46:31] tomorrow 5:00

[2:46:33] p.m.

[2:46:34] second all in favor

[2:46:38] I so I don't need to call the meeting

[2:46:40] for order because we already have a

[2:46:41] scheduled special meeting for

[2:46:44] tomorrow

[2:47:10] what I

[2:47:13] wanted

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Schenectady 2024 Budget Meeting, 10/31/23

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