[0:04] stuff.

[0:22] » Was a big moment against Boston.

[0:31] Let's check it out.

[0:35] » As always,

[0:37] >> you guys doing

[0:41] » good. Good to see you.

[0:43] >> Should say maybe I'll catch a fire.

[0:52] » You might be recording. Okay.

[0:58] I just want to be there to help you.

[1:01] >> That's reasonable.

[1:02] >> How does that sound? Right. You have to

[1:04] be there.

[1:06] >> You can't control what happens.

[1:15] I talked to my uncle this morning. I

[1:16] told him I was going to be here. He

[1:17] goes,

[1:19] >> I think he came to everyone.

[1:23] [Music]

[1:25] >> Does anybody else feel

[1:28] We're just going to figure out how to

[1:29] get

[1:33] FS5

[1:35] on that TV.

[1:43] » Well, we all have phones.

[1:46] >> Yeah, I was watching them in Europe. My

[1:48] wife had played the European trip. So

[1:50] >> Oh, where were you?

[1:51] >> Uh Prague.

[1:55] » How was it? It's good. It's great.

[1:58] >> I'd love to go to um Ireland.

[2:01] >> I want to go back to

[2:03] >> Yeah. supposed to be beautiful.

[2:05] >> Oh my god.

[2:10] » Hi, how are you?

[2:19] » I brought snacks.

[2:38] I have Oreos.

[2:42] How are you?

[2:43] >> How are you?

[2:44] >> I'm good.

[2:50] » Hi, Derek. How are you?

[2:52] >> How's it going?

[2:56] Thank you.

[3:20] » Oh, that's the balls.

[3:33] sort of force

[3:35] by 5:30.

[3:51] Fast.

[4:18] Okay.

[4:28] Now, yesterday

[5:02] No, that's

[5:05] definitely going to sit up.

[5:29] Hello.

[5:39] Go get it.

[5:48] I know I have to offer this.

[6:22] everyone. I'm going to start recording.

[6:49] questions for a long

[6:56] question.

[7:08] I got a little for you.

[7:40] Thank you.

[7:49] » Okay.

[7:50] Chris

[8:16] and then it is consistent.

[8:23] No,

[8:31] » do you want to take one back at the top?

[8:36] >> I do.

[8:48] Me too. Question.

[9:19] I'm not

[9:24] okay.

[9:43] Yes.

[10:00] Thank you.

[10:06] This is

[10:17] probably

[10:21] about

[10:56] like the order

[10:59] meetings under the finance committee is

[11:05] Wednesday October 8th.

[11:07] Great. I'd like to turn it over to the

[11:09] problem.

[11:11] >> Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to

[11:13] call the finance committee to order and

[11:16] the order of business today is to review

[11:19] the 206

[11:20] proposed budget from authority

[11:24] and we will start in order of asking the

[11:28] commission of finance to give us a high

[11:31] level overview of the 2026 proposed

[11:33] budget and then we'll move into the

[11:36] relevant department.

[11:39] >> Good evening council. uh four starts for

[11:42] that field. Uh in the back we have the

[11:47] uh budget for 26 over here

[11:51] each uh fund and revenue expenditures.

[11:55] Uh we've also had historical analysis

[11:57] compared with the overtime rate for each

[11:59] department. Uh so show you from year to

[12:02] date as of 9:30

[12:05] 242

[12:09] see we also included open MBS for the

[12:12] council to review

[12:14] and the last document is analysis

[12:25] the general fund just a few items

[12:30] So the proposed 2026 budget is

[12:34] 120 million

[12:36] uh which is a 3.17%

[12:38] within the 2025 adopted budget by

[12:41] 3,71,747

[12:45] the adopted 2025 budget compatible with

[12:48] 116 million 117 million

[12:52] 6.3%

[12:54] of 2024

[12:58] Real property tax increase by 5,949,4

[13:03] that's 173

[13:06] increased in 2025 without the budget a

[13:09] 2.39 tax rate increase from 1330 to

[13:13] 15.77.

[13:15] Uh just for a historical analysis uh

[13:17] from 2015 to 2025 the average percentage

[13:21] of levy budget to levy to budget is

[13:24] 33.84%.

[13:26] Projected 2026 level is only 32.66% of

[13:30] the budget. So from 2015 to 2025

[13:34] gradually decrease from 38.73 to 28.6.

[13:39] An increase in waste collection fees

[13:41] resulted in 2.329126

[13:44] additional revenue for credit 2025

[13:45] adopted budget. It equates to 110

[13:48] increase annually for nom units which

[13:51] equals to 2.12

[13:54] per week

[13:55] that 340 to 450 and $768

[14:03] at 46 per week.

[14:06] The proposed 2026 budget also asks for 2

[14:08] million in appropriated fund balance.

[14:11] Currently, this city has 18.9 million in

[14:14] fund balance which is made up of

[14:17] 6.6 million restricted. This includes

[14:20] reserve for debt 1.1 million. Capital

[14:22] reserves about 4.3 million taxes of

[14:26] 858,000 and snow and ice 157,000

[14:30] approximately litigation and claims

[14:32] 218,000 approximately and 6.2 2 million

[14:37] for funds the 2020 which is part of it

[14:40] is the 2025 adopted appropriate fund

[14:43] balance and open orders.

[14:45] >> Excuse me. D could you please tell me

[14:47] that number again for the fund balance

[14:49] the current fund balance 18.9.

[14:52] >> Thank you.

[14:53] >> But that's broken up into restricted and

[14:55] assigned and unsigned.

[14:58] We have about $6.1 million unassigned

[15:01] funds with the city uh the city

[15:04] utilizing 2 million fund balance for

[15:06] 2026. There'll approximately be 4.1

[15:09] million left over funds. Um this also

[15:12] see the city does not require more than

[15:14] the 2025 adopted appropriate fund

[15:16] balance at year end.

[15:19] the 20 the 2026 retirement increased

[15:23] by$1.1

[15:25] million and 8.13%

[15:28] increase from the 25 budget of $13,612

[15:35] 13,612,000

[15:39] MVP health insurance increased by 12.49%

[15:41] 49% 15 million approximately 2025 post

[15:45] 2026 budget for 17 million and this uh

[15:49] to the many factors including employment

[15:52] growth medical trends pharmacy trend

[15:54] stop loss premium increases uh including

[15:57] utilization high cost payments uh

[16:00] increase in specialty drugs these are

[16:03] the one medications

[16:05] um we are taking a very good proactive

[16:08] measures reducing forecast from 19

[16:11] million to 17 million budget uh by

[16:14] leveraging key formal areas uh which

[16:17] manages pharmacy spend and boosted

[16:19] rebates and targeting plan design

[16:21] adjustments.

[16:26] The 2026 proposed budget debt service

[16:30] increase by 6.79%

[16:32] resulting in 632,000

[16:34] additional cost that's 9.3 million to

[16:36] 9.9 million. We have union negotiations

[16:40] that are up progress both 28 and 1037.

[16:45] Uh we negotiated cost will come out

[16:48] excuse me when negotiated the cost will

[16:50] come out of fund balance.

[16:55] Uh moving to the water fund.

[16:58] budget for 26 reflects a

[17:01] 5.39% increase with the 25 2025 or

[17:05] approximately $543,000.

[17:08] This growth is driven by increased

[17:09] operating cost to effort to support the

[17:11] city's general fund

[17:15] for proposed water budget liter

[17:20] 4.68

[17:22] That's approximately 01082 per gallon or

[17:26] 1,00

[17:28] gallons and meter water sales in city

[17:30] commercial units 2.971 to 3.56594

[17:37] per gallon or.59

[17:40] per thousand gallons to close the

[17:43] remaining budget gap city will

[17:44] appropriate $485,751

[17:47] from the water fund balance additionally

[17:49] city fund transfer to the general fund

[17:53] by appropriately by approximately

[17:54] $400,000 providing for budgetary

[17:56] support.

[17:58] Sewer fund 2026 sewer fund request 6.04%

[18:03] increase compared to the 2025 do budget

[18:07] increase of $1 million. No fee increases

[18:10] are advised for the proposed tour

[18:11] budget. Appropriate debt reserve of

[18:13] 100,000 will be utilized to pay off

[18:15] debt. Transfer to the general fund has

[18:17] increased by $100,000 from approximately

[18:19] 2.2 2 million to 8.3 million

[18:24] post

[18:26] request 8.54% compared to the 2025

[18:30] budget. This is a marginal increase of

[18:32] 131,000.

[18:34] A modest rate of adjustments anticipated

[18:36] and will be addressed in January 2026 on

[18:39] prior practices.

[18:41] The capital budget the proposed capital

[18:44] budget for 2026 totals approximately

[18:46] 11.4 4 million which includes 6.2

[18:50] million demo 376,000 golf 1.9 million

[18:54] reorder and 2.9 million

[18:57] and requests which in request of which

[19:00] 1.3 million capital reserves and 800,000

[19:04] state funds for net share of 9.3

[19:07] million.

[19:14] » Thank you for the

[19:17] Commission.

[19:19] Um, we'll now go into the detail of the

[19:22] revenue. We'll start with revenue and

[19:23] then we'll probably

[19:28] » Thank you.

[19:30] >> Oh, sorry. I was

[19:32] >> Can you please provide council members

[19:35] talking?

[19:39] » Thank you.

[19:41] So we'll go into revenue

[19:44] if you can just walk us through.

[19:46] >> Yeah. I'm just going to go some key

[19:49] facilities from the general plan

[19:52] for sales and use tax. U we received

[19:54] 18.7 approximately 20.46.

[20:03] Uh these numbers also verify the county

[20:07] our county sales tax,

[20:12] door of 70025k

[20:16] 26.

[20:17] >> What was that last number?

[20:19] >> 700,000

[20:23] » uh trash charges paid 2138. The city

[20:27] anticipates receiving approximately 203

[20:29] million more revenue for 2026 from 7

[20:38] The excess waste fee this revenue has

[20:40] been removed as no legislation has been

[20:42] passed.

[20:45] Fines parking city has received 640k for

[20:49] the budget

[20:50] 640k budget 910,000 for 2025

[20:55] anticipating the same figure in 2026. We

[20:58] have the new revenue code speed side

[21:00] counters for schools. Uh with announces

[21:03] from the police department, we're

[21:04] estimating approximately 2.300 to 20.6.

[21:09] The profiles uh estimating 400,000 for

[21:13] 2026

[21:15] sale homes that houses A260A with we are

[21:20] anticipating $30 million in revenue for

[21:23] 2026

[21:26] per capita state aid

[21:29] if you will,6

[21:35] context the city has received a

[21:38] in 2015

[21:40] to uh current 2025

[21:43] that didn't figure.

[21:45] >> Which one was that again please?

[21:47] >> That is the capital state.

[21:50] >> Oh 89k.

[21:54] >> Okay. Thank you.

[21:56] >> We are receiving a temporary

[21:59] 8301.3

[22:03] million in 2026. There's no guarantee

[22:06] that it will exceed this amount of

[22:07] future meters.

[22:10] The license 83089H

[22:14] 2020 the city received approximately 3.9

[22:16] million in revenue anticipates 4 million

[22:18] again 2025 budget 4.1 million6

[22:22] again this is based upon funding as well

[22:29] the appropriate fund balance 85996

[22:33] budget also ask for 2 million

[22:35] appropriate fund balance currently the

[22:38] city at 189 million fund balance which

[22:41] 6.6 million and discuss this earlier

[22:44] during the key overview. Um so again if

[22:47] the city was 2.2 2 million fund balance

[22:50] approximately 4.1 million sign

[22:54] and this again this assumes that we

[22:56] don't uh require more in 2025

[23:02] federal co assistance art 8499

[23:06] as everyone

[23:07] aware of funds remain

[23:14] » are there any questions

[23:16] to the revenue

[23:19] Just making sure I I was my questions

[23:22] got answered in advance. So I just want

[23:24] to make sure I don't have any additional

[23:25] questions before we move on.

[23:29] >> Go ahead, please.

[23:30] >> Um under A1170

[23:32] grand.

[23:34] Um I know it looks like the electric

[23:36] solid waste. What specifically is that the 720,000?

[23:45] >> All right. What was that? um under

[23:48] revenue. Yeah. Franchises.

[23:53] » What's the number?

[23:54] >> A17

[23:56] project.

[23:58] >> So I I know we get some utility first

[24:00] receipts.

[24:01] I was just wondering is it electric

[24:03] fable gas um solid waste specifically

[24:07] are those detail receipts

[24:13] that

[24:14] question I'll get back to you. Thank

[24:16] you.

[24:20] » Go ahead, please.

[24:22] >> Um,

[24:26] well, it doesn't have a code yet called

[24:28] new. It's on page 12,

[24:34] please.

[24:36] >> Police department. So, I don't know if

[24:37] they're in the room,

[24:40] but maybe detail to that.

[24:44] >> Thank you. What what line is that again,

[24:45] please?

[24:46] >> It doesn't have a line. It's on page 12.

[24:48] It says new.

[24:55] » Can you make a note?

[24:58] >> We'll email and try to get an answer

[25:02] with regard to the program.

[25:06] » Any other question regarding revenue?

[25:09] >> Not that we have anything.

[25:11] >> Yes, that's we'll make notes and We'll

[25:14] revisit two questions regarding the

[25:17] revenue section.

[25:21] » And if you have not submit question,

[25:23] please you can answer it. It's not late.

[25:25] You can submit your question regarding

[25:26] the revenue and we'll get answers.

[25:29] >> Okay, we'll move on. We'll move to city

[25:32] council

[25:35] commissioner. You just give us give us a

[25:37] walk highlight.

[25:39] Any question we'll ask and then move

[25:41] forward into the next um

[25:43] department.

[25:45] >> I can tell you that I did an email and

[25:48] they didn't respond. Not just now

[25:53] responded just yet.

[26:06] I'm pretty sure that

[26:09] I list them and list

[26:15] the documentation and then once we are

[26:19] That's great.

[26:29] » We'll make sure we go through all the

[26:30] questions that the answers are there and

[26:33] that we'll just have to revisit it and

[26:35] ask.

[26:39] » So, council P10,0007,000

[26:48] 4,45 increase. Uh this is just a

[26:51] reduction of some other expense line

[26:53] items looking at your dates that

[26:58] we made a decision to do some

[27:05] » 104 that there

[27:17] » can you tell us what those reductions

[27:24] Why are they producing

[27:28] year to date we have 2030 there are

[27:30] 16,000 and 24,000

[27:33] uh last time we checked the year it's

[27:35] going to be around that figure so

[27:38] to reduce that by $10,000

[27:44] and

[27:47] So conserves us the budget proposed

[27:50] budget and 24 zeros actual usage.

[27:55] >> Um so we felt that we could reduce it by

[27:57] another 235.

[28:00] >> Do we have a year to date on that?

[28:02] >> Uh it's in the packet.

[28:22] Are there any questions?

[28:24] >> Seeing none, we'll move to the Mia

[28:26] office 8 12.

[28:31] >> Okay.

[28:34] office increased by 3.29% from 395,000 5

[28:38] to 48,000 to $13,000 increase. Um

[28:43] there's uh increases due to um one one

[28:47] to the executive salary for the U

[28:51] secretary to keep in mind with the

[28:54] chief's uh executive secretary

[28:57] um and the $3,000 for the director of

[28:59] operations uh for outside working hours.

[29:08] » Go ahead.

[29:09] >> So you're saying for the executive

[29:10] secretary to keep in line with the

[29:12] police chief's executive secretary and

[29:14] fire chief executive.

[29:16] >> Okay. Um

[29:19] would be similar. And how about the

[29:21] length of service? That was that taken

[29:23] consideration as well?

[29:26] >> No, it was not. um we have different

[29:31] duties.

[29:34] to engage

[29:38] » but I thought the engagement was based

[29:40] on similar based on the fact that

[29:43] there's

[29:52] any other question.

[30:01] Let's

[30:06] find out

[30:10] the other HR

[30:14] unless you want to sit with us

[30:18] process. So we'll do receipts and that

[30:22] is on page 16

[30:28] overview for receipts 1325.97%

[30:34] from 339,000

[30:36] approximately 27 37

[30:39] staff.

[30:48] » You just want to give us

[30:56] » Did you have specific questions?

[30:58] >> No, just can just give us an overview of

[30:59] what's happening.

[31:04] » We don't need to talk about

[31:07] similar to last year.

[31:09] >> Yeah, there's there's really not a lot

[31:10] of it was shady. I mean, we did try to

[31:13] trim down um some of the extens

[31:19] we bring that back a little bit. What I

[31:22] propose I think we I think with the more

[31:26] foreclosures that we've had and then

[31:28] sending out less leny notice is more

[31:31] people are paying but it's still

[31:33] sizable. So, we have to take the race

[31:34] into consideration. Um my real estate

[31:38] tax specialist salary was um raised by

[31:41] an MOA um that was retroactive to

[31:45] January. So that we see that um jump

[31:50] there

[31:51] and then we have longevity increased

[31:54] this year as well. So that did affect a

[31:57] few of us as far as that increase.

[32:00] Overall it's

[32:03] very small.

[32:07] Are there any questions?

[32:15] » Thank you so much.

[32:19] >> I wish we had everything.

[32:22] Thank you.

[32:23] >> We'll do um we'll skip into HR and that

[32:27] is on page 21

[32:31] please.

[32:34] Page 2130

[32:42] from 450

[32:46] hours 4,614.

[32:51] » Just want to give us a little summary.

[32:54] Anything that

[32:56] highlight anything significant?

[32:59] >> Um there is not a big increase in salary

[33:03] as well. I mean my my budget sorry

[33:07] um we have the two CSA full-time

[33:11] employees

[33:13] salary increases are based on that um

[33:16] management ones the HR administrator

[33:20] action officer are at the 3% one that is

[33:23] higher as a manager

[33:27] but that employees salary in line with

[33:29] other same level management

[33:33] Salaries similarities

[33:38] longevity

[33:41] receiving that $1,000 each

[33:47] part.

[33:53] As far as expenses,

[33:57] they're pretty much either the same or

[34:00] lower.

[34:02] last

[34:12] part.

[34:14] >> Yes.

[34:15] >> Any question?

[34:17] >> I mean, I'm sorry. Go ahead, please.

[34:20] >> So, in terms of the salaries of those

[34:22] increases, if they're percentage of

[34:24] increase on salaries,

[34:28] » the salaries specifically

[34:32] So there's certain positions within

[34:34] there that are CCA that are being so

[34:38] shown from 25 to 26. These 25 numbers

[34:42] are from the 24 budget.

[34:45] So the increase in 2025

[34:48] this doesn't reflect the increase they

[34:50] receive in 2025 plus increase they're

[34:53] receiving6.

[34:59] Any

[35:07] other questions? Go ahead, please. So,

[35:10] make sure I'm reading this. Where are

[35:12] they?

[35:16] So, uh, A1430, our

[35:21] anti-racism training,

[35:23] $15,000. I think that's gone. Can we use

[35:26] that in 2025? We haven't used that

[35:31] in budget either 23 or 24 that 24 either

[35:37] 25 we haven't used any I don't believe

[35:42] um but we do have other options uh the

[35:45] insurance company um we have something

[35:47] called Grisk

[35:49] uh and there's plenty of models on there

[35:51] we actually had discussion the firmament

[35:53] action officer the last couple days and

[35:56] they're going to help us

[35:58] implement some of these modules

[36:00] I believe there's

[36:07] numerous modules that seem to utilize

[36:12] so but we haven't utilized those up

[36:15] until this point

[36:18] >> those modules

[36:20] >> no we're going to be in a month or two

[36:26] >> are social.

[36:28] >> Uh yes, they are wonderful if we do ask

[36:31] for certain departments who they can be

[36:33] in person.

[36:36] >> I guess my question is why we never had

[36:39] the training

[36:41] was budgeted and and clearly a need was

[36:45] there. That's why it's put in there. Is

[36:47] there a reason that we never implemented

[36:49] the training?

[36:52] >> Go ahead.

[36:52] >> We tried to put training in place.

[36:56] offered to it. It's the city council

[36:59] that hasn't been able to

[37:02] do the training and the timing.

[37:05] >> Well, the city council would never

[37:06] specifically say we'd like to do the

[37:08] training and could you recommend

[37:09] somebody and if it's in the budget for

[37:11] the human resources, then I would think

[37:13] that it would be under the human

[37:15] resources to pull that train together.

[37:18] There's no objection from the city

[37:19] council because we weren't asked.

[37:22] >> The record will reflect a different

[37:24] process.

[37:26] to bring us here today.

[37:30] » And I I don't um step back and say that

[37:33] we clearly something has happened more

[37:35] recent most recently that we it's not

[37:37] something training that we need to take

[37:38] out and it really needs to be I know

[37:40] there was one training I attended it by

[37:43] insurance companies um and I think that

[37:46] it need more and um again based on our

[37:49] recent occurrence I don't think it's

[37:51] something that we write out of the

[37:52] budget something we need to make sure

[37:53] that we implement and fairly um virtual

[37:58] because that just means a person can

[38:00] give a screen but you can make

[38:03] interaction.

[38:09] Are there any other question

[38:12] for

[38:15] seeing none? Thank you so much. The rest

[38:18] of the evening

[38:25] we're going to move into

[38:33] the rest of the evenings.

[38:46] Just a quick overview,

[38:55] 949,500

[38:57] 28,000 central.

[39:04] Good evening, council members, mayor.

[39:07] Uh

[39:09] budget has

[39:12] requests um

[39:15] corporation council salary, a deputy

[39:18] full-time deputy corporation council and

[39:21] full-time assistant corporation council

[39:24] as well as one part-time assistant

[39:27] corporation council. So rather than have

[39:31] multiple part-time assistant corporation

[39:34] council. We've switched to a model of

[39:36] having three full-time attorneys and one

[39:41] part-time attorney.

[39:43] In terms of the office staff, um the

[39:46] records access officer

[39:51] uh position remains the code enforcement

[39:54] specialist line has been replaced with a

[39:57] paralleal to line. Um confidential

[40:02] secretary

[40:03] received an increase of about 3%

[40:08] and there's an IPS3

[40:11] would receive an increase for the

[40:14] contract.

[40:16] In terms of the rest of the budget, we

[40:18] have postage.

[40:20] We've budgeted a little more for that

[40:22] this coming year. There's a lot of

[40:24] postage because of the foreclosure

[40:26] mailing that we have to do.

[40:31] Administration expenses, advertising,

[40:35] fees for services. There's no budget for

[40:37] travel conferences.

[40:40] >> $85,000 for outside legal counsel,

[40:44] $40,000 for litigation costs and

[40:46] expenses, 2500 for supplies,

[40:50] maintenance agreements, and then there's

[40:52] zero for tuition and reimbursement.

[40:55] And um that is our relatively simple

[40:59] budget question. to answer any questions

[41:01] we council have.

[41:04] >> So, I just want to clarify. So, what

[41:06] you're saying is that the three

[41:08] full-time and the one part-time

[41:11] um will make up for these various

[41:14] assistant councils part-time that are on

[41:17] the next

[41:19] right here.

[41:20] >> Yeah, you're seeing those because this

[41:22] reflects um last year and this year. So

[41:25] yes, the money that would have gone for

[41:28] part-time attorneys is now going for

[41:31] full-time salaries.

[41:33] >> I think that's that's

[41:39] just

[41:42] » uh we currently

[41:45] transition.

[41:51] Go ahead.

[41:52] your state on the council.

[42:19] » 4402.

[42:23] 440. Yes.

[42:29] » And this as of September 30th, 2025.

[42:41] » Are there any other question for

[42:43] cooperation?

[42:47] See none. Thank you so much.

[42:51] Okay, we will back and then we'll go

[42:55] into finance and we'll go through.

[43:05] » Sorry.

[43:10] So, let's do

[43:20] page

[43:22] 1974

[43:24] and 481.

[43:25] >> I'm sorry. What page is it?

[43:28] >> Thank you.

[43:28] >> At the bottom

[43:32] 25 26 it's a 4.5% increase from 356,000

[43:38] approximately 350,000

[43:40] that had approximately $16,650

[43:44] difference.

[43:47] So judgments and claims has been

[43:49] increased to 300,000.

[43:52] Certiary actions has been decreased to

[43:54] 50,000.

[43:56] Um reducing the total budget of judgment

[43:59] claims%.

[44:02] » Go ahead please.

[44:04] >> Um yes could based on that we get we um

[44:08] I'd like to know how we be reduced

[44:12] made.

[44:18] What is our actual date on those?

[45:08] 1930.

[45:15] » Thank you. Turkey 482 or 481.

[45:17] >> 481.

[45:21] We haven't refunded.

[45:24] >> We haven't had any funds this year that

[45:26] I can think of. So

[45:29] at this time it would be zero.

[45:32] >> I thought we done something.

[45:40] » I thought we done at least one

[45:42] >> one Broadway tower.

[45:43] >> No, one peter refund.

[45:47] >> Yeah. The only I think of is one

[45:51] Broadway Tower which um is currently

[45:54] adjourned. Uh and so nothing has been

[45:57] paid out and nothing has been settled on

[45:58] that place.

[46:06] » Go ahead.

[46:07] >> Yeah. So back just a little bit. So how

[46:09] long have we been fully staffed?

[46:13] >> Um for about a month.

[46:16] >> Oh my good. I mean, is there a reason

[46:19] why we're spending so much money on

[46:21] outside legal counsel? Do you feel like

[46:24] being that you're fully staffed now,

[46:25] we'll be able to

[46:27] >> It may look like a lot, but it's it's

[46:29] just not. There's a lot of

[46:32] specialized litigation that is required

[46:36] that takes a tremendous amount of time.

[46:38] If you wanted to replace that line,

[46:40] you'd have to put

[46:42] >> probably at least, excuse me, two

[46:44] full-time

[46:46] >> you know, very specialized attorneys to

[46:48] replace that because we use outside

[46:50] counsel to um in specialized areas to

[46:54] deal with certain um special issues that

[46:57] come up,

[46:58] >> right? So uh although it looks like a

[47:01] lot of lawyers charge a lot of money

[47:03] certainly uh and there are legal issues

[47:05] that come up that it's more efficient to

[47:08] uh hire outside

[47:11] >> right cuz I can imagine like if it's

[47:13] something specialized by the time we

[47:15] have somebody to do all the research but

[47:17] it's better more efficient to do it that

[47:19] way.

[47:19] >> Exactly.

[47:20] >> So do you think that based on our um but

[47:23] being fully staffed now do you don't

[47:25] expect to see that number go down at

[47:26] all?

[47:29] No, I mean we

[47:34] the office. So we we had last year

[47:37] multiple part-time attorneys.

[47:39] >> Mhm.

[47:39] >> So now instead of having multiple

[47:41] part-time attorneys, we still have one

[47:43] part-time attorney, but we have it. It's

[47:46] basically a shift of the time. So

[47:48] instead of using partnering part-time

[47:50] attorney a time, we're using full-time

[47:52] attorney time.

[47:53] >> Yeah.

[47:54] >> In order to keep the budget balanced.

[47:57] from last year.

[47:59] >> Okay. So, you don't really see any

[48:00] really Okay. Okay. So, it's not

[48:04] necessarily going to impact the budget.

[48:06] It's just where the workloads being

[48:08] concentrated now versus it was kind of

[48:10] split up among multiple people.

[48:12] >> Yeah.

[48:12] >> But, but so it's not a matter of

[48:14] capacity then. No, I mean it may go down

[48:16] slightly, but it depends on how many

[48:19] lawsuits the city winds up in that are

[48:21] not covered by insurance. Um, and how

[48:24] many specialized legal issues come up.

[48:27] Um, maybe we won't have any lawsuits

[48:30] anymore and then

[48:33] >> then we we could get that number down.

[48:38] >> Good way to start with that and start

[48:39] some of these trainings maybe.

[48:42] >> Good way to start. Mr. Chairman and the

[48:46] collective bar

[48:48] expired

[48:50] at the beginning of this year through

[48:53] negotiations were still fairly far apart

[48:56] going into mediation and there's a good

[48:58] chance that that contract will go into

[49:01] binding our treasure. Our agreement with

[49:04] the county with the sales tax is they

[49:06] provide counsel to us for labor

[49:08] negotiations up to but not including

[49:12] mining arbitration. That would be

[49:17] expensive and this budget reflects that

[49:19] and

[49:21] just the reality of what we're dealing

[49:24] >> in terms of outside.

[49:25] >> Correct.

[49:29] » Go ahead please. Just expanding on your

[49:31] definition of specialized skill sets. Um

[49:33] does that reflect skill sets not

[49:34] currently captured or is that a general

[49:36] term addressing another category all

[49:38] itself?

[49:40] >> Um I mean it can it means specialized uh

[49:45] council. So like what I meant by that

[49:48] statement is like for example we are in

[49:50] extended litigation with another

[49:52] municipality over um

[49:56] is it sewer or water?

[49:59] there are things that come up that like

[50:00] for example we needed

[50:03] an attorney to handle a very specialized

[50:06] assessment issue

[50:08] um that

[50:11] you know that we hired a law firm with

[50:13] an attorney that has handled those kinds

[50:15] of cases in the past like normally we

[50:18] handle taxerts in house this is a taxert

[50:20] that the city had to bring itself

[50:24] against another municipality so there

[50:27] are just things that come up There's

[50:29] arbitration, there's contract

[50:30] negotiations with unions. Um trying to

[50:34] think of what else

[50:37] but there's various issues that come up

[50:40] that are dealt with from day to day and

[50:42] that's the reality of of

[50:47] the dayto day.

[50:51] » Any other question for corporation?

[50:55] Seeing none, I think this one. Thank

[50:56] you.

[50:59] All right.

[51:01] So, we'll back up and go back and go

[51:03] into finance

[51:05] and commission of finance. Can you walk

[51:07] us through everything from finance has

[51:09] been page 14?

[51:12] We'll work our way through all the

[51:14] finance

[51:16] categories.

[51:31] Finance

[51:33] page 14

[51:36] the finance decreased by 15.67% 67% from

[51:39] 497,7197

[51:44] that's approximately $78,000

[51:46] increase

[51:53] also the deputy commissioner district's

[51:55] currently vacant

[51:59] within that order for lines are status

[52:03] quo this covers

[52:10] audit or any fees associated.

[52:15] We have our bond council

[52:18] from the administrative expenses and

[52:20] fees for services lines.

[52:22] We have travel for conference lines

[52:25] still in the budget

[52:28] $20,000 for inservice training,

[52:32] $6,000 for supplies.

[52:37] already had a question finance

[52:39] administration.

[52:40] >> Yeah. What's uh can you tell a little

[52:42] bit about uh the 136 the stipen

[52:47] >> sorry the 36,000?

[52:49] >> Yeah. What's that?

[52:50] >> That is uh for my uh the commissioner

[52:53] and the deputy commissioner for afterour

[52:58] meetings um has been budgeting that

[53:07] Go ahead, please.

[53:08] >> Um,

[53:09] hi. Um, the assist the open position of

[53:12] the deputy commissioner, do you think

[53:13] that you will be um, you know, trying to

[53:16] fill that or?

[53:17] >> Yes, we went through an extensive

[53:19] process. Uh, unfortunately, you didn't

[53:22] find candidate position. Um we'll

[53:26] probably open up uh 2026

[53:36] finance department.

[53:37] >> Thank you.

[53:39] >> Go ahead please.

[53:43] » It's it's multiple uh things but uh the

[53:46] majority is it audit services that we

[53:48] have an annual basis. uh audit firm

[53:53] comes in at the end of the year usually

[53:55] in December they do a soft audit and

[53:58] then they come in March

[54:02] for two weeks.

[54:04] So I know that our fire station is still

[54:08] working on some

[54:13] department.

[54:19] » And what's our year to date on the

[54:20] stipen?

[54:23] >> Um it's less than 3,000. Uh,

[54:35] » are there any questions? Financial

[54:36] administration.

[54:38] Seeing none, I'll move on to accounts on

[54:40] dispersement page 15.

[54:48] The council dispersement 1315

[54:51] increased by 11%

[54:54] 51,14 to 39640 approximated 30,000

[54:58] entries all positions are filled within

[55:01] this department

[55:06] raises

[55:08] union

[55:09] as well as the management increase

[55:14] the 100 lines and Under lines are again

[55:19] basically status quo. We did nitpick

[55:21] some of the lines and reduce

[55:22] accordingly.

[55:27] Any questions?

[55:29] >> Go ahead please.

[55:30] >> Thank you. Which ones were which um job

[55:34] items were contractual?

[55:36] >> Um we had involved the cabinet the

[55:40] senior audit a clerk and the mail and

[55:44] accounts clerk.

[55:46] >> Okay. Just the two of them,

[55:48] >> right?

[55:48] >> I'm sorry. What was the first one?

[55:50] >> The accounting.

[55:51] >> Oh, the

[55:52] >> senior life and counseling.

[55:59] » Go ahead, please.

[56:00] >> So, the accountant salary

[56:03] is right. It's increase of over $1,000.

[56:06] You said that was contractual.

[56:08] >> Uh, yes. So, it was contractual. Also,

[56:11] they received an increased step to to

[56:14] all the work they provide, especially

[56:16] Since we are finishing deputy

[56:19] commissioner soc

[56:32] » and oh yeah the whole so the $10,000

[56:34] raise for the accounting supervisor and

[56:36] $11,000 raise for the accountants.

[56:44] Was

[56:46] the male and account clerk an ARPA

[56:49] position before?

[56:50] >> I mean, did we pay for it last year out

[56:51] of ARPA?

[56:54] >> Okay. So, I was just concerned. I kind

[56:56] of thought it was, but um just was

[56:59] wondering about that. Thank you.

[57:09] » More sense

[57:11] increase the position will be eventually

[57:17] still that position still

[57:22] » position for the three and understand

[57:25] the justification now definitely with

[57:29] not having fully staff departments

[57:31] having exceptional team members that are

[57:33] still in place that do the work is

[57:34] definitely a rarity so I appreciate

[57:36] those individuals accepting a challenge

[57:38] but sincerely the expectation it won't

[57:39] be too fill it once that happens that

[57:41] work

[57:44] with them or should not.

[57:46] >> Um I mean in my opinion for this

[57:48] specific individual uh this individual

[57:51] the city probably 27 plus years now has

[57:54] a lot of knowledge

[57:57] and

[57:59] so they're a huge asset to the team. Uh

[58:02] and this is also my department head

[58:06] to look at for example development and

[58:08] assessment.

[58:14] Um there hasn't been a junior

[58:15] accountant. Are they looking to put

[58:18] someone in that position?

[58:19] >> No, not at this time.

[58:22] Accountant previously the junior

[58:24] accountant has increased their

[58:26] responsibilities.

[58:27] >> Thank you.

[58:31] » You had a question.

[58:31] >> So right

[58:34] now there's a hiring increase and so

[58:36] would that impact you trying to hire

[58:38] people for these positions

[58:42] >> or the deputy commissioner.

[58:44] >> Currently, we're not looking at this

[58:47] group.

[58:48] >> Not intended to do it until we go

[58:50] through the budget first.

[58:55] » Any other questions?

[58:57] We'll move to page 29

[59:01] insurance.

[59:09] And please if you have question

[59:12] I'm taking notes so please call me out.

[59:14] I would I'm trying to keep up with the

[59:18] soon

[59:21] [Music]

[59:26] insurance 10.7

[59:29] insurance by 6% from 1.455

[59:32] 553 of 42,0002

[59:37] just in comparison for 25 um increase by

[59:41] 11% from 1.3 to 14.

[59:49] » Are there any questions regarding the

[59:50] unallocated insurance?

[59:54] Seeing none, we'll move to the next page

[59:56] on the top of page 30. Undistributed

[59:59] item expense other miscellaneous

[1:00:01] undistributed expense.

[1:00:07] The uned

[1:00:09] expense of the display 1989.

[1:00:13] Um budget

[1:00:16] removed the senior center from the

[1:00:19] budget currently. Um the total energy

[1:00:22] expenses increased by 19.15% from

[1:00:25] 355,000 to 423,68,000

[1:00:29] increase.

[1:00:31] I believe there was a question about

[1:00:33] contingency that was answered

[1:00:37] that

[1:00:44] sorry

[1:00:50] for questions about funds and majority

[1:00:53] of that is for emergency demolitions

[1:00:56] for seeing emergencies throughout the

[1:00:58] year.

[1:01:03] Are there any questions?

[1:01:11] » I'm sorry.

[1:01:15] » Yeah, it's good for you to take on that.

[1:01:20] » Maybe just tell us the page too on that

[1:01:22] one.

[1:01:33] is currently at $282,58.

[1:01:47] » Any additional questions?

[1:02:00] See now

[1:02:02] page

[1:02:04] 63

[1:02:07] employee employee benefits

[1:02:17] » page 63.

[1:02:18] >> Yes.

[1:02:20] Bottom section

[1:02:25] » benefits

[1:02:27] 1910 through 89896

[1:02:31] the employ 8.72% 39

[1:02:36] 6 million to 43 million increase

[1:02:42] the retirement figures which is based

[1:02:44] off the state's projections and our

[1:02:46] health

[1:02:48] Um the comparison the 25 total benefits

[1:02:54] increase about 8.07%.

[1:02:59] » Are there any questions?

[1:03:02] >> Yes. Um under 89 8989

[1:03:07] 840 is testing. It went from 10,000 down

[1:03:11] to 6,000.

[1:03:13] And is it

[1:03:16] things that we have using it.

[1:03:19] So if you look at 23 24

[1:03:22] 6,000 for 23,000 for

[1:03:26] Um, I believe that was in line with

[1:03:29] those figures for 25.

[1:03:48] Commission for the record. So these

[1:03:50] increases are driven because of the

[1:03:52] increase in market risk.

[1:03:57] » There's multiple factors

[1:03:59] medical

[1:04:11] in the beginning or the year. Um so it's

[1:04:16] the lower part.

[1:04:36] » Do you do you have the performance in

[1:04:37] place for these?

[1:04:40] Do you have to perform an invoice for

[1:04:42] these inputs or

[1:04:44] >> so currently

[1:04:45] >> just

[1:04:47] >> yeah we do have estimates for these um

[1:04:50] currently I believe we're looking

[1:04:52] between um 18 million approximately a

[1:04:56] little over 18 million um or for 2025 uh

[1:05:01] but we taking proactive steps to reduce

[1:05:03] these costs so uh we felt uh pretty

[1:05:06] confident uh we have a $17 million for

[1:05:10] 2026.

[1:05:14] » Are there any question of the benefit?

[1:05:16] Go ahead, please.

[1:05:17] >> So, you said it's like an 8% increase

[1:05:19] overall in our in the benefits expense.

[1:05:22] Um, yeah, that seems pretty low. I mean,

[1:05:25] I would have expected it to be higher

[1:05:27] with health insurance and all, but good

[1:05:29] job in terms proactive steps to reduce

[1:05:32] those costs, different formularies.

[1:05:35] >> Um,

[1:05:39] really good at working with our own

[1:05:42] scientists.

[1:05:44] >> Great. Thank you.

[1:05:47] >> Any other questions?

[1:05:49] >> Go ahead, please.

[1:05:50] >> Thank you. The human standalone PO is

[1:05:52] just that no one participates in that

[1:05:54] any longer. A 9060.

[1:05:59] » A 9060.

[1:06:01] You may understand the comp

[1:06:05] that is um we don't use that anymore.

[1:06:08] That is now Medicare Advantage plan.

[1:06:11] >> Medicare advantage. Okay.

[1:06:14] >> And what line is Medicare Advantage?

[1:06:16] >> The one right above

[1:06:21] » or USA Care Ps.

[1:06:23] >> Okay.

[1:06:24] >> USA.

[1:06:29] Yeah. Okay.

[1:06:33] Are there any other question for the

[1:06:35] benefit section?

[1:06:38] See now we'll move into that service

[1:06:41] page

[1:06:43] 65

[1:06:45] bottom section.

[1:06:53] So the 2026 total debt service by 6.79%

[1:06:57] approximately

[1:07:02] to respond here.

[1:07:08] » Any specific questions?

[1:07:18] » Any question?

[1:07:20] >> So our in the once 9785700

[1:07:25] our increase our interest doubled

[1:07:30] It depend. Yes. It depends on how much

[1:07:32] we borrow. So for I think last year we

[1:07:35] borrowed quite a bit here too. Um and

[1:07:40] we're doing pretty solidation

[1:07:44] notes. Uh we got rates for 125 capital.

[1:07:49] Uh one rate was 30%.

[1:07:54] Uh over that same period the majority of

[1:07:56] the rates were only 4%.

[1:08:03] Mr. Chairman, I'd like to give a

[1:08:05] breakdown of what

[1:08:07] the

[1:08:09] interest.

[1:08:14] » Yeah, the capital.

[1:08:20] » What line items I can ask you? I just

[1:08:21] want to

[1:08:26] » 700. Yes. Got

[1:08:37] a question regarding this?

[1:08:40] Seeing none, I think we have complete

[1:08:42] our finance um categories.

[1:08:46] Mr. Chair, um commissioner, I'm missing

[1:08:48] any I don't think so.

[1:08:51] >> Am I missing any of your

[1:08:55] categories?

[1:08:56] >> I think After all,

[1:08:59] um,

[1:09:03] if you want to get the veteran service,

[1:09:13] » let's let's go back one more time.

[1:09:27] Yeah. Can you tell us the pages?

[1:09:29] >> Page number programs on page 55.

[1:09:51] So we reduced that to zero. Um one of

[1:09:55] the questions from council um indicated

[1:09:58] there's other types of funing out there.

[1:10:02] Our director of development indicated

[1:10:03] there's possible CD funding that could

[1:10:06] source this

[1:10:09] coverage

[1:10:14] of it.

[1:10:18] Can can the council get a copy of those

[1:10:21] uh documents to show that there is

[1:10:23] funding available?

[1:10:27] » She's working up some of the things so

[1:10:29] that

[1:10:31] I don't know if she can give you an

[1:10:32] exact number

[1:10:40] » but essentially designating another

[1:10:42] funding stream takes away from other

[1:10:44] efforts that

[1:10:45] floor. I just feel it's more of a

[1:10:48] commenting

[1:10:51] taper. They send a very negative message

[1:10:54] not singularity for our youth also to

[1:10:57] just investment in their continued

[1:11:00] involvement across the city.

[1:11:12] So,

[1:11:14] I would just again, you know, this has

[1:11:16] always been a area where I've been really strong on

[1:11:20] and making sure that we did this. And I

[1:11:22] think that we need to consider the fact

[1:11:24] that,

[1:11:26] you know, there's money to be saved um

[1:11:29] in other areas and we save on expenses

[1:11:31] when youth are proactively engaged in

[1:11:34] pro-social activities as well as, you

[1:11:36] know, the circulation of the money um

[1:11:38] that we're spending staying um within

[1:11:40] our local economy. Um, I just think that

[1:11:43] that's something that we we need to uh

[1:11:45] strongly consider and for it to be kind

[1:11:48] of completely xed out and not um,

[1:11:54] you know, just completely done away with

[1:11:56] I think is uh,

[1:11:59] not only glaring a glaring mistake, but

[1:12:02] it it really undermines what we've been

[1:12:08] expressing our values to be as a city

[1:12:10] here. are just that's pretty

[1:12:14] disappointing.

[1:12:17] » Any other questions? Go ahead.

[1:12:19] >> Yeah, I I also u would like to see the

[1:12:21] youth employment uh line back in even if

[1:12:24] it was at a a different rate. Um we had

[1:12:27] a really successful youth employment uh

[1:12:30] program this summer hiring uh 42

[1:12:33] youth uh that worked in our parks and

[1:12:36] really it's the labor but also it's

[1:12:39] really the the career skills the

[1:12:41] mentoring of our uh of their supervisor

[1:12:44] um it was really a valuable resource but

[1:12:46] I do think that you know as we work

[1:12:49] through the rest of the budget and we

[1:12:50] come to the end and we have to then

[1:12:52] start to negotiate around um all of

[1:12:55] these lines where there's been changes

[1:12:57] that we all um you know feel strongly

[1:13:00] about that. I do hope that we are able

[1:13:02] to get back that funding um and I guess

[1:13:06] the discussions will play that out as we

[1:13:08] move into that segment of our budget

[1:13:10] negotiations.

[1:13:13] » Any other question? I really agree it's a very important line. Um looking

[1:13:18] at some of the other lines where we're

[1:13:20] doing a lot of prevention um uh or

[1:13:24] actually it's not prevention they say

[1:13:26] it's prevention but it's like after

[1:13:27] we're doing treatment. So this is like

[1:13:29] preventive measure in terms of our youth

[1:13:32] and our investment in them. So I would

[1:13:34] have to support that as well that we

[1:13:36] should definitely look at putting

[1:13:38] something back in the budget especially

[1:13:40] since Mr. has indicated that Miss Carver

[1:13:45] is going to look at something that is

[1:13:46] lesser amount. So, we should definitely

[1:13:48] make sure that we I would ask that we

[1:13:51] funded at that amount minimally at the

[1:13:53] amount that we did last year.

[1:13:57] » And I also think that knowing that

[1:14:00] there's

[1:14:02] possible funding available is different

[1:14:04] than knowing that there's funding that

[1:14:07] we'll be able to access. I think that we

[1:14:09] need to make a distinction of that when

[1:14:11] we're clear distinction around that

[1:14:12] while we're having this conversation

[1:14:16] because there's funding that might be

[1:14:18] out there um isn't the same as making

[1:14:21] sure that there's funding there. And I

[1:14:23] almost see, you know, I'm

[1:14:25] half cynically hoping that this was kind

[1:14:28] of like we'll cut this out completely

[1:14:30] and then when uh

[1:14:36] Demani starts to say what are we doing

[1:14:38] then we'll give them a little bit like

[1:14:40] I'm I'm hoping that that was because I I

[1:14:42] can't see a budget a serious budget

[1:14:45] where we are completely considering

[1:14:48] taking out our youth employment and you

[1:14:50] serve or which I would like to refer to

[1:14:52] the youth services line. I think that would be

[1:14:56] truly irresponsible.

[1:14:58] >> I mean last year we had a passionate

[1:15:01] discussion about this money. I think all

[1:15:02] council member were in support of uh

[1:15:04] funding this. I think uh we settle at

[1:15:08] 150,000 and then we did eventually did

[1:15:10] an amendment sort of house funding for

[1:15:12] funding to reallocate $18,000.

[1:15:16] Would it would it be possible for you to

[1:15:19] find out what is available against that amended allocation?

[1:15:32] » And where are we at the year to date

[1:15:33] with that now?

[1:15:39] » I think this packet is actually all year

[1:15:41] to dates if you wanted to look it up.

[1:15:43] >> Yeah, look it up. Come

[1:15:56] on.

[1:16:15] We use follow

[1:16:18] right now.

[1:16:22] » I am

[1:16:25] » here

[1:16:31] to 89289.

[1:16:33] So, and if you remember last year's

[1:16:35] conversation, I was trying to

[1:16:38] strongly advocate for us to increase

[1:16:40] that line because of the great need. So,

[1:16:43] the fact that we exceeded that line

[1:16:46] uh and now we're

[1:16:49] considering completely removing it.

[1:16:50] Again, I just hope that that's more of a

[1:16:53] measure of negotiation than it is

[1:16:55] something that's rooted in a reality for

[1:16:57] us.

[1:16:59] >> Mr. advance.

[1:17:00] >> Yeah, I think also we do need to enter

[1:17:02] into discussions with the school

[1:17:03] district around support for this as

[1:17:05] well. As a matter of fact, I think that

[1:17:06] our parks director has initiated some of

[1:17:09] those discussions. Um the program was

[1:17:12] very successful. I think the school

[1:17:13] district was very supportive of it as

[1:17:15] well. Um and the you know the youth

[1:17:19] really it was just a very valuable

[1:17:21] experience. I think we're going to need

[1:17:22] to do what we you know to to try to to

[1:17:24] try to make the number. I will also say

[1:17:28] um you know 42 students. It was a lot of

[1:17:30] supervision uh that was required by one

[1:17:33] individual. Um and I think that person

[1:17:36] enjoyed it. Um but um you know we have

[1:17:39] to take that into consideration as well.

[1:17:41] Um in terms of the supervision because

[1:17:42] we want to make sure that the students

[1:17:44] are getting you know a really valuable

[1:17:46] experience as well.

[1:17:48] >> You mentioned I think I missed regarding

[1:17:50] the $108,000.

[1:17:52] Did you say that um an update was

[1:17:54] submitted or it's been worked on in

[1:17:57] terms of how many money was spent

[1:17:59] against that reallocation?

[1:18:01] >> Yes, for the 180k funding.

[1:18:06] >> Can you can you please uh look into that

[1:18:08] and provide us with the

[1:18:10] >> the available funding?

[1:18:15] Go ahead, please. uh to Miss Patrick's

[1:18:17] point around the super vision aspect

[1:18:20] originally um in the very beginning of

[1:18:23] this uh project we had the county on as

[1:18:27] a partner because they already kind of

[1:18:29] had the infrastructure to do some of

[1:18:31] that. They came on um as a partner

[1:18:34] actually I don't believe it cost us

[1:18:36] anything um for them to partner with us.

[1:18:38] I'm not exactly sure why we moved away

[1:18:41] from that model, but that might be one

[1:18:43] way to if if we can kind of take, you

[1:18:47] know, delve out exactly how much money

[1:18:50] was

[1:18:51] effort into the whole supervision

[1:18:53] aspect. I'm sure that based on our

[1:18:55] partnerships with the county, we could

[1:18:57] they might be interested in revisiting

[1:18:59] that and therefore we can kind of

[1:19:01] relieve some of the stress of the

[1:19:02] program there.

[1:19:04] >> Go ahead, please. I I agree with both

[1:19:07] Patrick and Mr. Farley. I mean, as far

[1:19:09] as the school district, I think they

[1:19:11] have a huge um this is a huge asset to

[1:19:14] them. We're pulling everyone from the

[1:19:16] school district and and the county as

[1:19:18] well. So, I think it should be multiple

[1:19:23] you can get to your 300 our 300,000

[1:19:26] because we we can't not support our

[1:19:31] >> I I think part of the discussion is to

[1:19:33] bring all the agency you know involve uh

[1:19:37] part of this uh effort to support a

[1:19:40] youth employment program. So having a

[1:19:42] county, a school and a city together, it

[1:19:45] will help bring those numbers up. And I

[1:19:48] think impossible like you say there is

[1:19:49] support for this line, every member last

[1:19:53] year on into this year.

[1:19:55] >> Last year we didn't.

[1:19:56] >> Yes,

[1:19:56] >> we didn't fund the line.

[1:19:59] >> Well, we did fund it 150 plus,

[1:20:02] >> but is it enough? Absolutely not. So we

[1:20:06] did our best. We did our best.

[1:20:10] Um, so, um, Mr. You're going to find out

[1:20:14] how much of that $18,000 is left for us.

[1:20:17] >> Yes. I'll speak with our director.

[1:20:24] » Okay. Is there any other question

[1:20:25] regarding this line?

[1:20:27] >> Okay. Uh, we'll move down

[1:20:31] the very same page.

[1:20:45] One of the nothing much here to talk

[1:20:47] about

[1:20:48] historical submission are any other

[1:20:51] section

[1:20:59] mention

[1:21:05] » are So,

[1:21:08] » no,

[1:21:11] we're just looking

[1:21:15] » page 52 subsection.

[1:21:20] >> I was looking

[1:21:22] trying to recall conversations about

[1:21:24] that

[1:21:26] fees for service.

[1:21:27] >> We'll have the assessment

[1:21:30] assessor here next

[1:21:33] >> Wednesday.

[1:21:33] >> Next meeting. expensive.

[1:21:36] >> Yeah, we'll go through with the assessor

[1:21:38] budget and then the board's assessment

[1:21:43] page 52 top section.

[1:21:55] » This is straightforward.

[1:22:02] page 52 veterans service.

[1:22:05] >> As you can see, there's no change or

[1:22:07] adjustment

[1:22:09] budgeted for 9,000 this year for 26 and

[1:22:13] for the same

[1:22:18] question. Go ahead, please.

[1:22:21] What do we rent this from?

[1:22:25] The rental of the boat. What are we

[1:22:27] renting?

[1:22:31] I don't know if

[1:22:33] >> organization

[1:22:35] places in different buildings if you

[1:22:37] offset some cross.

[1:22:43] Any other questions?

[1:22:47] I think this time we complete all the

[1:22:48] finance.

[1:22:51] Yeah.

[1:22:56] » Police.

[1:23:12] » Anybody would like to take a break

[1:23:15] water? Okay. We'll then move them to

[1:23:19] we'll move them to the five department.

[1:23:35] » Oh,

[1:23:36] please. Um

[1:23:39] 39 page 39 section.

[1:23:47] Go ahead. Go ahead. Give us a little

[1:23:52] budget by 1.3%

[1:23:55] 14 million approximately to 13.9 million

[1:23:59] that happened in approximately

[1:24:04] 28

[1:24:06] negotiations.

[1:24:10] » You just want to give us some of what's

[1:24:11] happening.

[1:24:14] ask me to talk about fire department.

[1:24:18] >> Uh so I know one of the questions was uh

[1:24:20] any open positions. So I'll address that

[1:24:22] real quick here just to get a better

[1:24:24] understanding. Right now we're at 121

[1:24:25] firefighters, but that's not realized.

[1:24:28] That's not boots on the ground. We're at

[1:24:29] 106

[1:24:31] uh firefighters that are active duty.

[1:24:33] The 15 are in school. 13 are in Hudson

[1:24:35] Valley after medical school and two are

[1:24:37] in uh music of fire academy. So, those

[1:24:40] 13 we will not see until next December.

[1:24:44] Okay. Uh, moving forward, we're going to

[1:24:47] have seven known openings by March of

[1:24:49] 26, and there's potentially five or six

[1:24:51] more that may be leaving by the end of

[1:24:53] 25th. So, while we just hired 15, we're

[1:24:56] barely keeping our heads above the

[1:24:57] water. Um, so it's currently 99

[1:25:00] call. Uh, other than that, EMS calls are

[1:25:03] up 3.4% at 10,113 to date. Right now

[1:25:06] we're projected about um 13,700 calls.

[1:25:11] Our readiness um operational readiness

[1:25:14] has increased. We took delivery of our

[1:25:15] Lucas automated CPR machines. They will

[1:25:18] deliver continuous uninterrupted

[1:25:20] efficient CPR. Uh our new EKG monitors

[1:25:24] on last year's capital project will be

[1:25:25] in service by next month. Uh station one

[1:25:28] has their generator in service. Uh so

[1:25:30] all station one will be powered with a

[1:25:32] power outage that we're seeing happen

[1:25:33] more often. Uh new generators for

[1:25:35] station three and four should be updated

[1:25:38] soon are installed. New HVAC HVAC system

[1:25:42] has been completed. That includes a new

[1:25:44] floor and a new ceiling and duct work.

[1:25:46] Uh so the conditions at station one for

[1:25:48] our most valuable resource or people uh

[1:25:51] has improved. Like I said, they're

[1:25:52] working a tremendous amount of hours. So

[1:25:54] we're starting to see that physical

[1:25:55] toll. Um we're trying to address some of

[1:25:58] that staffing shortage with change in

[1:26:00] our civil service language uh for the um

[1:26:03] candidates applying. So good news uh by

[1:26:06] next week the civil service the next

[1:26:08] little step should be announced for

[1:26:10] firefighters and it is on January 10th

[1:26:13] for anybody that wants to be done on

[1:26:14] connect city firefighter. Uh come and

[1:26:16] take a test give us a call we'll help

[1:26:18] you get there. Uh we're going to do that

[1:26:20] physical ability test to get on our job.

[1:26:22] How are we going to lower those barriers

[1:26:24] for entry? But that does not mean we're

[1:26:25] going to lower our standards. Right? So

[1:26:28] that physical agility test is going to

[1:26:29] be offered inhouse and we're going to

[1:26:31] open that to the candidates to come work

[1:26:34] on the course before they actually take

[1:26:35] the test. Hopefully prep them a little

[1:26:37] bit better and get more people to our

[1:26:39] table so we have better options moving

[1:26:40] forward. Um and we'll start to uh talk

[1:26:44] with the second school district once

[1:26:46] again on trying to get the EMT program

[1:26:48] off the ground for moving the school

[1:26:49] district. give them a pathway, give our

[1:26:51] students a pathway to emergency services

[1:26:55] like that.

[1:26:58] >> Okay,

[1:27:00] we'll just go through to the department

[1:27:03] by admin.

[1:27:04] >> Mhm.

[1:27:05] >> Any I don't think there's any

[1:27:06] significant change here because the

[1:27:08] budget and the contract is still in

[1:27:09] negotiations. there's no increase and if

[1:27:12] there's any increases contractual for

[1:27:15] the

[1:27:16] invol specialist I want to say yeah

[1:27:19] there's some increase there

[1:27:24] » any question regarding the fire

[1:27:28] administration section

[1:27:31] >> please

[1:27:32] >> just clarification for u there's an info

[1:27:34] processing specialist for um and it's

[1:27:38] point

[1:27:40] 25.

[1:27:40] >> Yeah. Well, it's three. It was 0.5 in

[1:27:44] 2025 and now it's

[1:27:48] >> 30.

[1:27:49] >> Okay.

[1:27:49] >> So, we were supposed to hire uh from one

[1:27:51] of our ladies retiring back in June and

[1:27:54] we haven't hired yet hiring threes. Uh

[1:27:56] she anticipated to be retiring first

[1:27:58] part of next year. So, that's a

[1:28:00] reduction in time.

[1:28:03] >> Thank you.

[1:28:08] Just you mentioned that trying to uh

[1:28:10] change the language of the civil

[1:28:12] service.

[1:28:13] >> That's correct.

[1:28:13] >> Tell me a little bit more about that.

[1:28:15] >> Uh so we took away the college credit

[1:28:16] hours. Uh we provide them the college

[1:28:18] credit hours when they come in between

[1:28:20] the academy and Hudson Valley. It also

[1:28:22] opens our options when we hire these big

[1:28:24] groups uh hopefully hire these large

[1:28:26] groups that we if we have a college

[1:28:28] requirement we have

[1:28:32] and they wouldn't be able to handle

[1:28:34] maybe if we say I'm just going to pick

[1:28:35] another 20 people they wouldn't have

[1:28:37] enough spots for us. So this will allow

[1:28:38] us to go to uh different fire academy

[1:28:41] such as the state fire academy at Montto

[1:28:42] Falls maybe Westchester County that's the big change then along with

[1:28:47] that physical desk

[1:28:49] >> that sounds so kind of to your point you

[1:28:52] might change the entry threshold but

[1:28:55] you're not changing the expectation

[1:28:56] correct or the quality service. That's

[1:28:58] awesome. Thank you.

[1:28:59] >> We're going to invest in our people get

[1:29:00] in the door and invest.

[1:29:02] >> That's awesome man. Thank you. Any

[1:29:06] other questions? We'll move on.

[1:29:09] >> Oh, I they could be anywhere in this. Do

[1:29:12] you know how we compare um salary wise

[1:29:14] to other municipalities?

[1:29:16] >> Um I believe we're low especially at the

[1:29:18] starting level. I think it's around 50

[1:29:20] something,000 or 49. I don't have the

[1:29:23] data.

[1:29:28] Okay, we'll move into emergency medical

[1:29:30] services page 40 bottom section

[1:29:45] » anything you need to highlight there.

[1:29:49] » No, it's pretty standard report from

[1:29:52] last year.

[1:29:57] Go ahead.

[1:29:57] >> I'm sorry. Big decrease in overtime. You

[1:30:00] just don't count that at some

[1:30:02] [Music]

[1:30:03] 8412.

[1:30:07] [Music]

[1:30:09] >> Yeah. So that's um that overtime is for

[1:30:12] continue education is contractual. We

[1:30:14] pay them out for the amount of time that

[1:30:15] they do continue education. Some of the

[1:30:18] details, the EMS details that we uh we

[1:30:20] provide. Um, and then our QAQI

[1:30:24] uh for our quality assurance and our EMS

[1:30:25] calls, they review the PCRs uh once a

[1:30:28] month, the end of the month, every

[1:30:30] month. Um, and then EMS meetings. So, it

[1:30:33] just decreased a little bit just based

[1:30:35] on where the salaries are for that

[1:30:37] content. That would be a big fluctuation

[1:30:38] there.

[1:30:40] >> Chief, you want to touch on the 40 46

[1:30:45] 8411 46

[1:30:48] >> any service training?

[1:30:49] >> Yes.

[1:30:49] >> Yeah. So, that went up. So that's school for um

[1:30:54] the cost of school for 18 positions, but

[1:30:56] those 18 positions are both over the

[1:30:58] hiring for this year through next year

[1:31:01] and then um additional positions for

[1:31:04] next year.

[1:31:05] >> Miss Yeah, I'm just trying to for the

[1:31:08] mayor. Um I think we all got the email

[1:31:10] about um there's a bill for the governor

[1:31:13] that take EMS out of um being counted

[1:31:17] towards the tax cap. Mayor would have

[1:31:20] any that would I'm not sure the time

[1:31:23] frame in terms of signing that impact

[1:31:25] this budget in terms of tax

[1:31:28] >> the uh governor's office he's not moved

[1:31:31] on it

[1:31:33] so right now I'm assuming that it will

[1:31:36] impact on this

[1:31:40] » thanks

[1:31:44] » go ahead chief I know you talked about

[1:31:47] the success of the program um kind of

[1:31:50] bring on candidates and giving them the

[1:31:52] curriculum and the tools they need to

[1:31:54] succeed and qualify for positions. Is

[1:31:57] there a point where you think you will

[1:31:58] be right sized? What I mean by that is

[1:32:01] usually catch up just due to the lack of

[1:32:03] I think you highlighted applicants for

[1:32:06] the

[1:32:07] on the testing

[1:32:10] what was the uh job placement whatever metric or program they used to

[1:32:15] apply into. I guess my question is is

[1:32:17] there a balance where we'll get to

[1:32:19] having like new replacing the the

[1:32:22] outgoing firefighters because what

[1:32:24] happens similar to the military is you

[1:32:26] open it to increase your applicant pool

[1:32:28] but then as you fill your position you

[1:32:30] can become more stringent. So do you see

[1:32:32] this program as always existing or

[1:32:34] trying to get through kind of the low

[1:32:36] and and higher?

[1:32:38] >> So that's a tough question to answer

[1:32:39] because I can't predict the future and

[1:32:40] how many people are retiring. is

[1:32:42] definitely becoming a younger job when

[1:32:44] we're seeing a lot of that legacy

[1:32:45] knowledge leave and that experience and

[1:32:48] that concerns me because that translates

[1:32:50] into safety, right? And having that

[1:32:52] experience to realize, you know, how how

[1:32:54] far am I going in this houseire? Am I

[1:32:56] getting in too deep? Uh so realistically

[1:32:59] maybe yes, you know, we could we could

[1:33:01] tighten down some things, but at the

[1:33:03] same time maybe we're getting better

[1:33:04] candidates.

[1:33:08] » Any other questions?

[1:33:10] So now we'll move to the bottom page by

[1:33:12] typing A412

[1:33:27] highlights

[1:33:30] >> uh the overtime line the 341212.

[1:33:36] » Yep. 1.475 million. Um, so we were

[1:33:40] looking at a little bit more with I know

[1:33:42] we always talk about it. Chief Realing

[1:33:45] best question. The people going out the

[1:33:47] door. Some of that is covered in the

[1:33:50] open salary line. So if we have I'm

[1:33:52] going to say I retire in January. We're

[1:33:54] budgeted for my salary for the whole

[1:33:56] year. So we're saving some money there.

[1:33:58] At that 1.475, we have no room for

[1:34:01] error. Too many people out the door will

[1:34:02] be upside down on this.

[1:34:06] » Questions?

[1:34:09] on the firefight section.

[1:34:12] >> Go ahead, please.

[1:34:13] >> Um, under the firefighter academy

[1:34:16] 341200.

[1:34:18] So, is that some of the money that's up

[1:34:20] there? I mean, um, school for the 18

[1:34:22] positions because there's nothing

[1:34:24] budgeted on this line.

[1:34:25] >> I'm sorry, what?

[1:34:26] >> Which line?

[1:34:28] >> Um, A3412100

[1:34:30] firefighter academy. As here we budgeted

[1:34:33] 47,21.

[1:34:35] This year you have zero. Yeah, I think

[1:34:36] she just moved.

[1:34:42] » Go ahead. Uh chief, there's always a

[1:34:45] point of conversation with people, you

[1:34:46] know, just talking about the I mean, but

[1:34:50] calls that don't necessarily the fire,

[1:34:52] but you respond to is there any way to

[1:34:55] differentiate those like calls where you

[1:34:58] do have to send a rig or do have to send

[1:34:59] staff, but they're for identify just who

[1:35:03] are the again

[1:35:07] users and his arrows has identified that

[1:35:10] community as a way to put other

[1:35:12] resources address that ongoing just

[1:35:14] drain of our system if that makes sense.

[1:35:16] >> Yeah. So there could be a lot of ideas

[1:35:17] like one of them would be community

[1:35:19] parame medicine but it comes at a huge

[1:35:20] cost right part of community parame

[1:35:22] medicine would be put people on for

[1:35:24] followup then you've been discharged

[1:35:27] from the hospital or we've came and we

[1:35:30] see what your problem is and have you

[1:35:32] taken your medication right just to

[1:35:34] follow up with that but that comes with

[1:35:35] a huge cost to have more people staffing

[1:35:37] what fire engine you may send a fly cars

[1:35:41] so there's different ways to address

[1:35:42] that I know one of the mayor's things is

[1:35:45] how can we reduce some of these calls

[1:35:46] and maybe look at dispatch. Uh there's all kinds of ideas getting them

[1:35:51] implemented and better education is

[1:35:53] always a hurdle. So we're definitely

[1:35:54] trying to work on the education

[1:35:56] component. When to call 911 91, right? I

[1:35:59] got a small cup. I don't need to call

[1:36:01] 911.

[1:36:02] But if I explain, I I don't disagree

[1:36:06] with you. I think my only point of

[1:36:08] concern is in your budget there was a

[1:36:11] cut to the public safety foundation

[1:36:12] fund. I think my caution is just where

[1:36:14] do you place or how do you incorporate

[1:36:16] that education?

[1:36:18] It's going to be tough but going to be

[1:36:22] probably a lot more word of mouth social

[1:36:23] media uh that brought me

[1:36:33] ahead please. I do know a few years.

[1:36:36] >> He's taking notes.

[1:36:38] >> I do know a few years ago you were

[1:36:40] working on something very similar to

[1:36:42] that prototype out

[1:36:46] with Chief Marino um to uh um assess the

[1:36:51] situation and give them appointment the

[1:36:53] next day for an urgent care or things

[1:36:55] like that. Is is that something that

[1:36:57] you're talking about that could be

[1:36:59] >> still doing that? had recent

[1:37:01] conversations this week with MVP to look

[1:37:05] at uh their whole subscriber base in the

[1:37:08] city of Skenctity. How do you better

[1:37:10] manage those? How do you direct people

[1:37:13] to the appropriate level of service?

[1:37:15] Most people do not need the full suite

[1:37:17] of services that are available in an

[1:37:19] emergency department. absent trauma,

[1:37:23] cardiac event, stroke, most people can

[1:37:26] go to an urgent care, go to their own

[1:37:29] physician, seek some other level of uh

[1:37:32] care. In the emergency room, you get the

[1:37:35] other people in this chief's outline. it

[1:37:38] backs up that facility and sometimes the

[1:37:41] people who really need the higher level

[1:37:43] of care get pushed back while they're

[1:37:47] dealing with people who have lesser

[1:37:50] medical issues. So we are looking at it

[1:37:54] uh

[1:37:56] assistant chief and uh chief actually

[1:38:00] looked recently with the company who has

[1:38:04] the ability

[1:38:06] talk about is the ability to prevent

[1:38:08] cardiac events from

[1:38:12] the data that's derived from a normal

[1:38:15] EKG

[1:38:17] really uh life saving and dramatic

[1:38:21] change. Is there a way that we could put

[1:38:24] that in place in our EMS system working

[1:38:28] with

[1:38:29] primarily Ellis or also already met the

[1:38:33] regional trauma center so that uh there

[1:38:37] are things that we're doing on an

[1:38:38] ongoing basis. How do you improve the

[1:38:40] delivery of service improve the outcomes

[1:38:42] and do it the most cost effective ways?

[1:38:47] Um I know that um the fire department,

[1:38:50] police department have been really

[1:38:51] successful grants and I can see that

[1:38:53] reflected in your in this budget in

[1:38:56] terms of the equipment lines. Um so I

[1:38:58] just wanted to say I appreciate all the

[1:39:00] work that you and your team, Jennifer in

[1:39:02] particular, uh does uh with the grants

[1:39:05] development and just keep it going. You

[1:39:07] guys are really successful with that.

[1:39:09] >> Yeah. Thank you. That's nice.

[1:39:12] You got a question? See move on to page

[1:39:16] 43 prevention arson.

[1:39:23] Anything you like to highlight there?

[1:39:28] Pretty straightforward.

[1:39:31] >> Any question? Seeing none, we'll move to

[1:39:34] final final branding 44.

[1:39:41] I see a couple of new things there.

[1:39:43] 343.12.

[1:39:46] Uh that's an overtime line for that

[1:39:48] firefighter mobility test to have our

[1:39:51] people come in and pract

[1:39:58] 450. Uh we added in some supplies. We

[1:40:01] have to build that course.

[1:40:05] >> I'm sorry. Which one is that? I'm sorry.

[1:40:07] Uh the supply line uh 3450 450 supplies

[1:40:12] it was 600.

[1:40:13] >> Oh, got it. Okay, thank you. Yep.

[1:40:17] >> Go ahead.

[1:40:18] >> And there'll be a number of cost savings

[1:40:20] on what line.

[1:40:22] >> Um cost savings for there's there's no

[1:40:24] cost.

[1:40:26] >> Oh, okay.

[1:40:32] » I I missed what you said the 10,000 was

[1:40:34] for

[1:40:35] >> um in line 3414 1112. That's overtime.

[1:40:38] That's going to be to pay the

[1:40:40] firefighters to come in and proctor that

[1:40:42] physical agility test and to allow the

[1:40:45] candidates access to that course prior

[1:40:47] to the testing.

[1:40:48] >> Thank you.

[1:40:53] » Any other question?

[1:40:55] Okay, see we'll move Phil

[1:40:59] bottom of page 44 into page 45.

[1:41:06] Any

[1:41:11] questions?

[1:41:13] Seeing none, we'll move to five retro

[1:41:16] bottom of page 45

[1:41:20] came to page 46 and we'll conclude the

[1:41:24] fire department review.

[1:41:30] » Are there any other questions? Go ahead.

[1:41:33] Yeah. So there's there's like nothing

[1:41:35] the whole section there's nothing

[1:41:37] >> I don't know that if it's just gold

[1:41:39] lines or

[1:41:40] >> it's

[1:41:48] any other question.

[1:41:52] » So there might be something there might

[1:41:54] be something coming in those lines.

[1:41:57] >> Oh okay.

[1:41:59] >> All right. Seeing none. Thank you so

[1:42:00] much. Thank you for all you're doing.

[1:42:03] >> Appreciate

[1:42:22] the police department.

[1:42:34] And we are doing them police uh

[1:42:38] department starting.

[1:42:44] These are 8:31

[1:42:47] coming through 8:30 and also 8:30.

[1:42:52] Overall uh police department decreased

[1:42:55] that by 8.6%.

[1:43:02] 5.6 million,000 increase uh achieve

[1:43:14] » summary. Give us a little summary

[1:43:17] now.

[1:43:18] >> I guess we're going to start off

[1:43:21] this evening.

[1:43:23] Um I talk talk about uh you know what

[1:43:26] we're doing here as police department

[1:43:28] methodology we're using started out by

[1:43:30] saying it's working crime down crime

[1:43:33] down 20.8% 8% compared to this time last

[1:43:36] year. We're also down 3% compared to the

[1:43:40] five year average. That's that's crime,

[1:43:43] which is the crime that we're really

[1:43:44] focused on. These numbers are good. We

[1:43:46] should be proud of them.

[1:43:48] But we all know that crime is regional

[1:43:51] cyclical and before we pat ourselves in

[1:43:54] the back too much, we have to realize

[1:43:56] that hold and Detroit both facing us

[1:43:58] right now with the reductions

[1:44:01] just in the way that you know the crime

[1:44:02] is going down. You know, our numbers are

[1:44:04] good, those are better. So uh with that

[1:44:07] knowing that cyclical you know we're

[1:44:11] very cognizant that we can't take our

[1:44:12] foot off the gas continuously work on

[1:44:15] our methodology. What is that

[1:44:17] methodology? has been safe for the last

[1:44:19] nine years.

[1:44:21] Have a heavy investment in community

[1:44:23] building trust engaging the

[1:44:24] neighborhoods. having a public campaign

[1:44:28] of information sharing, asking for

[1:44:30] voluntary compliance on many different

[1:44:31] levels, whether it's obeying the speed

[1:44:34] limit, just being proactive, seeing our

[1:44:37] officers

[1:44:44] out there in the public safety

[1:44:46] community, from the school district,

[1:44:48] county jail department, state police. We

[1:44:51] do do great patrols. We have a very good

[1:44:54] uh partnership with ECJS. We a lot of

[1:44:57] programming all the money that comes in

[1:44:59] federal task forces, DEA, FBI, ATF, US

[1:45:03] Marshals, they all come with funding

[1:45:05] attached to our as state police and the

[1:45:08] sheriff's task force. We we partner with

[1:45:11] many businesses both locally and

[1:45:14] nationally to bring things through our

[1:45:16] community. Some of them have financial

[1:45:18] benefits and of course we do have

[1:45:21] technology investments that have helped

[1:45:22] us do our job. Some of them are some are

[1:45:25] costly. I'll talk about that in a

[1:45:26] minute. But we still have challenges.

[1:45:29] that we face right now are

[1:45:31] again violent crime. It's regional.

[1:45:34] This has gone down.

[1:45:36] We're seeing a significant reduction in

[1:45:39] gun violence. But it's still happening,

[1:45:42] still comes around people come from

[1:45:45] outside the area. Differences here

[1:45:48] because of the regional social problems

[1:45:50] persist persist. Uh we have a rise in

[1:45:53] juvenile incidents. Our investment in

[1:45:56] schools has helped us there, but we

[1:45:57] still see it. There's a lot of

[1:45:59] aggressive driving. The speed of

[1:46:01] reduction has helped that, but still

[1:46:02] happening. We have many nuisance

[1:46:05] businesses that are operating. They

[1:46:06] continuously pop up.

[1:46:09] our

[1:46:10] out of compliance businesses, after hour

[1:46:13] clubs, some gas stations, corner

[1:46:15] strollers, massage parlors,

[1:46:17] and then the reality of this because

[1:46:20] everybody at the table has done such a

[1:46:21] great job. We're very vibrant city has a

[1:46:24] lot going on, which means that we have a large draw on our resources. Asking

[1:46:28] for assistance with just maintaining

[1:46:30] order was a big draw on our on us.

[1:46:35] Uh back home at the police department,

[1:46:37] uh we do have some facility challenges.

[1:46:39] Our evidence storage is overflowing.

[1:46:41] It's it's expensive to pay our guys to

[1:46:43] stay and encourage that evidence.

[1:46:46] Something that we're going to have to do

[1:46:48] by by just not having any place to put

[1:46:50] it.

[1:46:52] We do have HBAC problems at our place.

[1:46:55] Um

[1:46:56] as a as a building as a whole, recently

[1:46:59] investments into our real time crime

[1:47:00] center has solved that problem for HBAC,

[1:47:03] which is very good.

[1:47:05] On the positive side, our men and

[1:47:06] women's locker rooms are complete. They

[1:47:08] look really nice. Anybody else wants to

[1:47:10] come and take a look at them? Welcome to

[1:47:12] see it.

[1:47:13] >> Our gym was redone thanks to Chief

[1:47:15] Whipple getting a grant from the state.

[1:47:17] Buy some new gym equipment for our

[1:47:19] officers.

[1:47:21] Some past projects, but there's looking

[1:47:23] better the other day. Our classroom, our

[1:47:25] pistol range, and our break room are all

[1:47:27] completed. So, facilities looking pretty

[1:47:29] good. Currently have a table of

[1:47:32] organization of 168 officers,

[1:47:36] five in the five within the academy, two

[1:47:38] officers on long-term military leave. Um

[1:47:42] we have multiple children being born. So

[1:47:44] we have a lot of maternity and maternity

[1:47:46] leave uh coming up soon.

[1:47:49] >> A lot of our ancillary jobs, a lot of

[1:47:51] jobs we have are assigned to task forces

[1:47:54] which are ancillary jobs that support

[1:47:57] our core missions. So we have task force

[1:47:59] officers training arm reduction officers

[1:48:04] professional standards just keeping up

[1:48:06] our training and our professionalism.

[1:48:11] We do have an ongoing staffing analysis

[1:48:13] that's requested by the state to assess

[1:48:16] our staffing needs. And then of course

[1:48:19] everything we do, we have to look at

[1:48:20] accreditation, make sure that we're in

[1:48:22] compliance with accreditation.

[1:48:25] We all need every day from the

[1:48:27] technology perspective. It's very

[1:48:30] expensive. We all know that it's going

[1:48:32] to be part of this budget conversation.

[1:48:34] Axon body cameras, tasers, virtual

[1:48:38] reality training, electronics feminist

[1:48:40] storage. Um, and by that what I mean is

[1:48:43] our interviews and our body camera

[1:48:46] footage. All the video, everything

[1:48:48] electronic goes into evidence.com with

[1:48:50] cloud based storage

[1:48:52] incar videos which come with LPR. So

[1:48:55] that helps us more than pay for

[1:48:57] themselves and be in New England. Also

[1:49:00] our drones, burnt drones fully funded

[1:49:04] until 2030, the end of 2030.

[1:49:07] This will help us close the gaps needs,

[1:49:10] but we're still working the kinks out.

[1:49:12] So we're not going to

[1:49:16] a fully funded grant from DCS got

[1:49:18] laptops in all the officers hands. uh

[1:49:21] which now they're using them for enhance

[1:49:23] cyber security and just to help them

[1:49:25] deal with information overload,

[1:49:27] technology overload.

[1:49:29] um we become a little bit more efficient

[1:49:32] on the community end. Just a reminder,

[1:49:34] we engage with the school district, many

[1:49:36] community groups such as Coco House C

[1:49:38] Center, Y WCA, YW WCA, YMCA, Boys and

[1:49:43] Girls Club, City Mission, neighborhood

[1:49:46] associations, business groups, business

[1:49:49] associations.

[1:49:51] Um

[1:49:55] and what we've been really aiming to do

[1:49:58] is be responsive to what our community

[1:49:59] has been asking us for specifically in

[1:50:01] the last five years. A professional

[1:50:03] trustworthy department and to do that we

[1:50:06] focus on training policies and

[1:50:07] procedures engaging with our community.

[1:50:10] We want to be held accountable. That's

[1:50:12] where our cameras come into play and we

[1:50:15] want to be responsible to our community

[1:50:16] needs. That means we have to be properly

[1:50:18] staffed. We have to have the resources

[1:50:19] to get the job done. We have to

[1:50:21] continuously educate ourselves to

[1:50:23] changing trends, growing trends, growing

[1:50:26] emerging threats in our community.

[1:50:42] » Okay.

[1:50:45] » So, we'll go into

[1:50:47] Thank you, Chief. Uh, page 30.

[1:50:52] go through the order

[1:50:57] just if you would like to highlight

[1:51:00] anything on the police administration

[1:51:02] starting

[1:51:04] you can question and then move to the

[1:51:07] next um

[1:51:13] go ahead please so chief first of all

[1:51:15] thank you for the overview and also

[1:51:17] thank you um very much for reduction in

[1:51:20] the budget. Uh and I know that was very

[1:51:23] helpful to some of the grants that you

[1:51:25] got and thank you for answering the

[1:51:26] email regarding that. Um in terms of

[1:51:30] this particular um the administration

[1:51:33] and then the question will go throughout

[1:51:36] are are some of the grants that you've

[1:51:38] identified that will be uh paid out in

[1:51:40] 2020 for budget year 2026 are any of

[1:51:43] them helping to offset

[1:51:47] any salaries or overtime at all?

[1:51:52] >> Brand is grant covers

[1:51:56] >> two detectors two detector is a half of

[1:51:59] an analyst and a minimum amount.

[1:52:04] The give grant covers three detectives,

[1:52:08] a full the give analyst position that's

[1:52:11] listed separately and a minimum.

[1:52:19] » Go ahead, please.

[1:52:20] >> Just earlier you you were talking about

[1:52:21] you said LPR and I just didn't know what

[1:52:23] that was.

[1:52:24] >> License plate.

[1:52:25] >> Okay. Sorry about that.

[1:52:28] >> I know.

[1:52:31] >> Any other question about the police

[1:52:33] administration section?

[1:52:35] >> Go ahead, please.

[1:52:36] >> I think moving forward similar to how we

[1:52:39] uh identify the car funded positions,

[1:52:41] would it make sense or is there a

[1:52:42] consensus to identify grant funed

[1:52:44] positions on budgets moving forward?

[1:52:48] >> Is that something that's uh

[1:52:51] commissioner? Can you

[1:52:53] provide that report?

[1:52:55] >> Not for this year.

[1:52:56] aren't done.

[1:52:57] >> Yeah, I mean that's a possibility to

[1:52:59] look into it.

[1:53:00] >> Thank you.

[1:53:02] >> Chief, on the overtime 80 3120 112 it's

[1:53:09] like down 63% from 150,000 to 55

[1:53:12] >> be an extremely difficult goal,

[1:53:18] » right? I mean

[1:53:19] >> that that I I can explain that number.

[1:53:22] You'll see that that we took a tax

[1:53:24] position

[1:53:26] salary

[1:53:29] next page

[1:53:31] created a professional standard

[1:53:34] part of that over time.

[1:53:51] That's

[1:53:52] >> the ASP is about.

[1:53:54] >> Yeah.

[1:53:55] >> Any other questions for the police

[1:53:56] administration section?

[1:54:00] >> Seeing none, we'll move to

[1:54:06] » Sorry.

[1:54:12] So, um this topic came up under the

[1:54:14] other department. I see that you also

[1:54:17] took up A3120

[1:54:19] floor 2C which was the anti-racist

[1:54:22] campaign department. I know that that's

[1:54:24] something we've been doing.

[1:54:27] >> It was there in 2024. We had access and

[1:54:30] I think in 2025 I thought there was a

[1:54:33] conversation because every two years so

[1:54:35] often that type of change.

[1:54:42] No, that was ARA funed one time the

[1:54:45] whole department and we never had any

[1:54:48] more fun completed for new officers.

[1:54:52] >> So the new officers don't go through

[1:54:53] that

[1:54:55] >> since since we gave it last year 2024.

[1:54:58] So in 2025 we have not done it

[1:55:01] probably had

[1:55:04] we didn't hire last year we have

[1:55:06] probably less than five officers that

[1:55:08] are joined us.

[1:55:15] Thank you

[1:55:17] chief to you mention this near

[1:55:20] the public safety equipment software

[1:55:22] that is primarily driven because of the

[1:55:24] new technology and the software

[1:55:26] >> that's the one that unfortunately I

[1:55:28] mentioned last year this year that's the axon 495,000 of that is axon

[1:55:35] uh the remainder of it is a call aurora

[1:55:39] or that uh is going to be reimbursed and

[1:55:43] I included that in the revenue line from

[1:55:46] county exports agreement. That's not you

[1:55:48] guys haven't seen it yet. It's not

[1:55:50] completed yet, but the rest of the money

[1:55:52] is in the revenue line for

[1:55:56] >> So the 495 is that software equipment

[1:55:59] and software

[1:56:00] >> that is all it's all

[1:56:03] it's like 493 and change I think but 495

[1:56:07] is all goes all the year. the first

[1:56:11] chief sever

[1:56:13] for two years with other paper for three

[1:56:17] years. This is the first guys.

[1:56:25] » Go ahead.

[1:56:26] >> I think my question comes at the end.

[1:56:28] So, we still are going all through all

[1:56:29] these other categories.

[1:56:31] >> Well, I just am concerned when we get to

[1:56:33] the end. I mean, we're down four

[1:56:34] positions overall. Um, and I find that

[1:56:38] concerning our police department to be

[1:56:40] down uh that many folks. Um, it does

[1:56:43] seem like that would have um an impact,

[1:56:48] but we can talk about it at the end of

[1:56:50] your entire presentation. That's up to you.

[1:56:53] >> Well, you can ask it since you asked a

[1:56:54] question. Let it be an answer or

[1:56:56] address. So this budget right here

[1:56:59] represents 168. So 168 the total number

[1:57:03] of officers is 168 number 16

[1:57:08] >> the numbers all add up to 168. So

[1:57:11] there's no um numbers take it out

[1:57:16] >> unless there was something done that I

[1:57:17] was

[1:57:18] >> she mentioned that we have five in the

[1:57:20] academy

[1:57:25] » longterm military

[1:57:26] >> position in the civilian

[1:57:30] dog.

[1:57:32] >> Yes. He loves civilians. We have an

[1:57:35] animal control officer, a gear or a

[1:57:37] crime analyst, a matron, and

[1:57:42] an IPS2 in parking. So, we have four

[1:57:44] civilian positions, but no more

[1:57:47] positions that I'm aware of.

[1:57:49] >> I was just looking at the line on

[1:57:51] >> So, the position that is being uh

[1:57:54] >> they were reduction is more of a

[1:57:56] civilian.

[1:57:58] >> Gotcha. They were removed from there,

[1:58:01] but they were moved into A312A. They

[1:58:03] were just moved to a different spot. So

[1:58:05] everybody was

[1:58:07] >> Okay.

[1:58:08] So they moved from 31 to 32.

[1:58:14] >> Okay. I was just looking

[1:58:15] >> I was looking.

[1:58:16] >> Yeah. Yeah. On page 35 it says in 2025 we adopted 188.5

[1:58:24] but in 2026 the code was 184.5. So

[1:58:28] that's the four position that static is

[1:58:31] referring to that somewhere throughout

[1:58:33] look like

[1:58:34] based on the total that's needed

[1:58:39] on page

[1:58:39] >> 35.

[1:58:43] » Yes.

[1:58:44] >> Thank you.

[1:58:47] >> All right.

[1:58:49] Okay. Let's u move to the professional

[1:58:52] standard bureau page 32

[1:58:55] and let's

[1:58:58] budget

[1:59:02] what is happening there.

[1:59:08] So

[1:59:11] recognizing that the captain is in

[1:59:13] parking unit

[1:59:15] typically would make

[1:59:18] more the salary line is when you add

[1:59:20] overtime into it and u in addition to

[1:59:25] that the commander of the professional

[1:59:27] standard bureau conducts investigations

[1:59:30] some on other department members so I

[1:59:34] discussion with the mayor my my idea my

[1:59:37] thought was to change the captain's

[1:59:38] position to a deputy chief position a

[1:59:41] set salary line and make it bud budget

[1:59:44] neutral by taking

[1:59:50] happens over time.

[1:59:58] » It's it's really as simple as that.

[2:00:01] Another bureau including all the people

[2:00:04] underneath the captain.

[2:00:11] Are there any questions regarding the

[2:00:13] section professional standards?

[2:00:16] Go ahead please.

[2:00:18] >> I know in your

[2:00:20] uh introduction she definitely captivity

[2:00:24] and respect still there's more work to

[2:00:26] do. Um concentrating on this can

[2:00:30] identify the benefits of that stand

[2:00:32] employment and just what some

[2:00:34] expectations that the members of the

[2:00:35] community expect.

[2:00:39] Um well again

[2:00:42] not there was ever a concern but I do

[2:00:45] think from an organiz organizational

[2:00:47] perspective or accountability

[2:00:49] perspective having somebody who's not

[2:00:51] tied to a police union or same

[2:00:53] professional standards which also is

[2:00:56] internal affairs wouldn't make sense and

[2:00:59] um but also to to have a deputy chief at

[2:01:04] a higher level command staff level and this

[2:01:09] It's not that high of a level in a

[2:01:11] Catholic. It's maybe a tiny bit higher,

[2:01:14] but really taking into consideration

[2:01:17] um professional standards, risk

[2:01:20] management, liability,

[2:01:23] policy, all the things that kind of

[2:01:26] interwe together, use of force, um

[2:01:29] really to reduce risk for the city, um

[2:01:32] police department, and improve our

[2:01:34] professionalism.

[2:01:36] Taking a global picture all of those.

[2:01:39] That's why we have uh under this bureau

[2:01:42] um the sergeant professionals, our

[2:01:45] training sergeant and our offices

[2:01:56] are unfounded, but even if an unf.

[2:02:04] And uh and that that's where we get

[2:02:05] better from a training perspective. Any

[2:02:10] other question? All right. See now we'll

[2:02:13] move to page 333.

[2:02:21] Anything to highlight here

[2:02:25] to talk about

[2:02:43] this one is

[2:02:49] » the special police officer doing brief.

[2:02:52] >> No, that's that's more just to get in

[2:02:54] line with what we're trying to

[2:02:56] exemplify.

[2:03:02] » Go ahead, please.

[2:03:03] >> So, the police m um so that was one of

[2:03:06] those civilian positions that you're

[2:03:07] speaking on.

[2:03:08] >> Yes.

[2:03:09] >> And how does removing one impact the

[2:03:11] overall service or functioning of the

[2:03:13] police department?

[2:03:14] >> I can honestly say that one is the one

[2:03:17] position that will not affect anything.

[2:03:19] >> Okay. Right.

[2:03:21] >> We have an agreement with the sheriff to

[2:03:22] take our our

[2:03:26] preies to the sheriff's department.

[2:03:28] >> So, we really just need to make sure

[2:03:30] during time is open.

[2:03:32] >> Other than that, they go to the

[2:03:33] sheriff's department.

[2:03:37] » Sheriff service.

[2:03:39] >> Well, I'm very concerned about the

[2:03:41] reduction in the overtime. Um, but I

[2:03:43] think in asking that question ahead of

[2:03:45] time, it looked like it was something

[2:03:46] that we might have to talk about in

[2:03:47] executive session. Is that

[2:03:50] In terms of the response I received,

[2:03:53] >> I mean

[2:03:56] the number that's there is reflective of

[2:03:58] the request to

[2:04:00] reduce our budget. It's not reflective

[2:04:02] but what we need. I know these are

[2:04:04] challenging times and we just didn't

[2:04:06] have anywhere else to take it from.

[2:04:08] That's what it comes down. So I appreci

[2:04:10] I appreciate you

[2:04:11] >> the variable cost that we have the

[2:04:13] ability to say but for everything else

[2:04:15] we truly looked at five or six times I

[2:04:18] said don't need it we need it

[2:04:23] really

[2:04:25] looking

[2:04:30] » so so with the reduction in all over all

[2:04:33] the overtime that's being cut back out

[2:04:36] what does that mean to us as revenues

[2:04:39] here additional maybe

[2:04:43] uh community events. What are we looking

[2:04:45] at? How's it going to affect us?

[2:04:49] Oh, you know if that line was

[2:04:52] one year

[2:04:55] every day is going to be like a Saturday

[2:04:56] afternoon.

[2:04:58] We had 34

[2:05:01] to respond priority ones the staffing

[2:05:04] levels just what they are

[2:05:08] >> and mandate levels just to cover just I

[2:05:12] don't think that that will cover that we

[2:05:15] did analysis

[2:05:19] was just

[2:05:21] It wasn't good.

[2:05:24] It's uh

[2:05:27] yeah, the number that chief will put

[2:05:30] together originally is is a realistic

[2:05:34] number which was close to 2.75 million.

[2:05:38] We thought we could struggle and make it

[2:05:41] through 2.4 million.

[2:05:44] This is including the waste that will

[2:05:46] come through next year. Keep that alive.

[2:05:51] and have some debt to to make to make

[2:05:54] those numbers happen. We have to start

[2:05:56] polishing uh investigative jobs to put

[2:05:59] them into control just to answer calls.

[2:06:02] We know what the domino effect of that

[2:06:05] is the methodology that explain

[2:06:08] breaks down. We have less investigations

[2:06:11] going on more stuff going on in our

[2:06:13] communities that we can't react to.

[2:06:17] The regional crime element knows that

[2:06:20] and they start setting up here and

[2:06:22] that's when things go backwards. So

[2:06:26] that's my assessment.

[2:06:29] >> So again, um like task force

[2:06:32] that individuals from our our police

[2:06:35] department are assigned to will have to

[2:06:37] be pulled off the task force to come

[2:06:39] back to help out

[2:06:41] in the task force uh without

[2:06:44] >> that's one option you would ask.

[2:06:46] >> One option. Um, and what about like the

[2:06:48] fire department? Uh, Chief Burns said,

[2:06:51] you know, the health and and mental

[2:06:52] health and well-being of your officers

[2:06:55] um being out there more and more and more.

[2:07:00] Well, I mean, he's he's 100% correct.

[2:07:04] We're kind of dealing with that right

[2:07:05] now at the levels that we have. That's

[2:07:08] why I asked for a staffing analysis. Um

[2:07:11] it's just the reality of the generation

[2:07:13] that we're hiring now and and where

[2:07:16] we're at. Something that we monitor

[2:07:18] daily regularly and uh we're watching

[2:07:21] closely and um

[2:07:25] those

[2:07:27] community events

[2:07:29] >> I mean will there be

[2:07:31] >> funding for

[2:07:36] those events have to pay for themselves?

[2:07:39] >> I know. At our church, we we pay

[2:07:42] officers saying,

[2:07:45] >> but but even then if this number were to

[2:07:47] stick,

[2:07:47] >> you won't have

[2:07:48] >> if we hired the officers, it comes out

[2:07:50] of that number. Then when it gets

[2:07:51] reimbured, it goes into the general

[2:07:53] fund. Doesn't go back into that line. So

[2:07:55] that number is only going to last for so

[2:07:57] long before it's gone. I mean, I know we

[2:07:59] could probably commissioner and ask for

[2:08:01] funds to be moved, but

[2:08:04] >> that's not the way that we got it.

[2:08:08] built into that number is the

[2:08:10] reimbursement.

[2:08:12] I guess that's the better answer.

[2:08:14] >> So, chief historically um I mean I

[2:08:17] looking at the budget back as long as I

[2:08:19] be on the council we have uh pretty much

[2:08:23] um whatever we budget normally have to

[2:08:26] spend on this money because you have to

[2:08:27] provide us you have to send the office.

[2:08:30] So regardless if we were to say today we

[2:08:32] a total budget $1.1 million

[2:08:36] you're going to stay within that budget

[2:08:38] or you are you going to exceed it

[2:08:41] historically

[2:08:43] we're not saying that you have to stop

[2:08:44] at 1.1 but you have to provide a service

[2:08:47] to the community so is that something

[2:08:49] that been trending over the years the

[2:08:52] line is there the budget is there but

[2:08:54] you have to provide a service and and

[2:08:56] spend

[2:09:00] Well, I mean, I can say that

[2:09:01] historically that we we operate in a

[2:09:04] manner where we we strive to stay within

[2:09:06] the budget, but you're right, at the end

[2:09:08] of the year, we typically get close to

[2:09:10] it, possibly go over it. At that point,

[2:09:14] either chief or chief takes a phone call

[2:09:17] to the commissioner of finance and sees

[2:09:19] some of our vacancy funds can be

[2:09:22] allocated towards the overtime. We

[2:09:24] ultimately

[2:09:26] At least I'm not I'm not so positive

[2:09:28] about the last couple years, but

[2:09:30] historically the first

[2:09:33] six years I was cheap. We we came in

[2:09:36] under budget total budget um by the end

[2:09:40] of the year. Um and many years we were

[2:09:42] able to make some purchases for some

[2:09:44] stuff that we needed the next year

[2:09:46] because we were under. But you know

[2:09:48] those lines typically always go over

[2:09:50] because of the either the need or the

[2:09:52] uncertainty where we hate to say no to

[2:09:55] anything. he's asking for is they're

[2:09:57] asking for a reason. It's not a a luxury

[2:09:59] usually.

[2:10:01] >> So So there is an opportunity to move

[2:10:02] funding around as we just mentioned from

[2:10:04] one to help cover additional costs in

[2:10:07] terms of safe not really savings but

[2:10:09] it's like money that is in a department

[2:10:12] that is on that can help offset some of

[2:10:15] the over time.

[2:10:16] >> So at the end of the year if there's

[2:10:17] vacancies left and there's money over

[2:10:19] the finance department moves it over.

[2:10:23] And I think we discussed this last year

[2:10:25] in terms of the staffing in terms of you

[2:10:27] have people retiring or not hired which

[2:10:30] at a given time six months four months

[2:10:32] of that unused funding. So that will

[2:10:34] then transfer to all the overalls.

[2:10:38] >> Yes.

[2:10:39] >> Across all the departments.

[2:10:43] I I I just I just want to point out that

[2:10:45] right now um it looks like we we're at

[2:10:48] 1.746395

[2:10:52] in overtime which is actually larger

[2:10:55] here now. Um you said these these

[2:10:57] figures the budget to date was that I

[2:10:58] forget when you what date was

[2:11:01] >> the year to date is that up to

[2:11:03] >> 30th

[2:11:03] >> September 30th.

[2:11:05] >> So as of 9:30 we were already at

[2:11:07] 1.746395.88

[2:11:10] 88 which is like 600,000 over um the

[2:11:15] overall proposed budget uh for that line

[2:11:18] for 2026. So um I mean I just think

[2:11:21] about even some of the community events

[2:11:24] um the large scale events in the park um

[2:11:28] those types of things. I mean I guess

[2:11:31] we'd either have to scale back on those

[2:11:33] events maybe not give permission for

[2:11:36] those events to be held. Um I I don't

[2:11:38] know. I'm just saying, but I I think

[2:11:40] it's something we all really going to

[2:11:41] have to talk about as we progress

[2:11:42] through these discussions over the next

[2:11:44] couple of days.

[2:11:45] >> I I will note that when you're looking

[2:11:47] at uh what we expect year to date

[2:11:49] through September, I should say in 2025

[2:11:52] compared to 2024.

[2:11:55] >> I didn't that we're about a quarter of a

[2:11:58] million dollars less intentionally.

[2:12:00] >> Okay.

[2:12:02] >> Spoke to the mayor.

[2:12:03] >> Oh, I didn't see that

[2:12:04] >> early summer and he stressed the

[2:12:07] challenges that we'd be facing. So, we changed our staffing levels probably

[2:12:12] mid August

[2:12:13] >> and and we've been saving money, but we

[2:12:16] certainly have been paying a price for

[2:12:18] multiple calls for officers not showing

[2:12:21] up for a while. It it takes to the point

[2:12:24] where we're we have a daily discussion

[2:12:26] about whether we put them back up or

[2:12:28] keep them down. Knowing what we're going

[2:12:30] into next year, it's a something that

[2:12:32] we're monitoring very closely, but we've

[2:12:35] been for not have the calls that come

[2:12:38] in, but we have to just send people.

[2:12:41] It's something we're monitoring closely.

[2:12:42] But we have reduced our staffing levels

[2:12:45] up to a a very low number for the last

[2:12:50] eight weeks.

[2:12:53] >> Yeah. Does it change with those with

[2:12:56] those cost of creation? Does does it

[2:12:58] exceed your budget overall budget within

[2:13:01] the department

[2:13:03] >> or do you stay within the

[2:13:05] >> So the last last few years we save very

[2:13:08] much. So even though we went last year

[2:13:09] we went over um about $700,000 over all

[2:13:15] over 600,000 over we were within

[2:13:19] we were under under our entire budget

[2:13:20] >> and because I mentioned moving on to

[2:13:24] help increase all the department.

[2:13:31] » So question so more clarity on that. So

[2:13:35] we like kind of get kind of a breakdown

[2:13:38] of what that looks like maybe over the

[2:13:40] last two or three years like when things

[2:13:41] have to be shifted over because it seems

[2:13:44] like they call like you guys call

[2:13:46] finances you guys

[2:13:48] be sharpened by transfers

[2:13:56] » I think you're asking you would like to

[2:13:58] see those transfers

[2:13:59] >> yeah just yeah maybe stra if you could I

[2:14:02] don't know I'll later test that for

[2:14:08] Go ahead, please.

[2:14:09] >> So, I just want to get some clarity on

[2:14:10] what you've said about overtime and

[2:14:12] reimbursement from community events.

[2:14:16] >> So,

[2:14:18] you the community events have to pay uh

[2:14:22] organizers have to pay, police officers

[2:14:25] to be there, whatever their overtime

[2:14:26] rate is, all everything included their

[2:14:29] standard rate. There's no there's no um

[2:14:31] they don't get a break on that. that

[2:14:35] >> we have a separate um the you know

[2:14:39] depends on what number you're talking

[2:14:41] about but they at a minimum they pay the

[2:14:44] officer's salary that's going the

[2:14:46] paycheck

[2:14:48] >> the fringe is something else on top of

[2:14:50] that

[2:14:51] >> and then when the paper comes to to the

[2:14:54] city you're saying it goes to the

[2:14:56] general fund doesn't go to here but

[2:14:58] >> that's my understanding that's the

[2:15:00] commissioner

[2:15:03] general fund revenue.

[2:15:13] » Okay.

[2:15:15] >> All right. So, how do you like right

[2:15:17] now? How do you determine that? How much

[2:15:20] that's going to be if we don't know

[2:15:22] events? How do you determine how much

[2:15:24] that would be?

[2:15:27] >> Well, we we can only forecast what we

[2:15:29] anticipate that we know. something like

[2:15:31] the stock age, you know, do that every

[2:15:33] year. We're going to get reimbursed is

[2:15:35] built into our budget.

[2:15:36] >> But if if something comes up out of

[2:15:38] nowhere and they ask us to order it and

[2:15:40] we say, "Yeah, okay."

[2:15:42] >> And we get reimbured for and we spend

[2:15:44] $10,000 for that, that's $10,000 less we

[2:15:47] can spend out in the community fighting

[2:15:50] crime.

[2:15:51] >> And now we just spend at a community

[2:15:52] event and we don't get that put back

[2:15:54] into fighting crime.

[2:15:56] So it's just it's one of those if it's

[2:15:59] unanticipated that we do it. That's why

[2:16:01] we like to properly plan and we like to

[2:16:04] we

[2:16:06] give you the commitments to reimburse

[2:16:08] those to actually have those

[2:16:10] organizations pay us.

[2:16:12] >> So the standards like you said the stock

[2:16:14] like the Caribbean vest and you know the

[2:16:16] group vested all the one that are every

[2:16:19] single year happen you've budgeted that

[2:16:22] in for the amount of over time that

[2:16:24] would be there. Yeah, the the ones that

[2:16:27] we don't anticipate maybe is somebody

[2:16:29] comes to Proctors and they need they

[2:16:31] need details there. We didn't anticipate

[2:16:33] it.

[2:16:33] >> So they say that they'll pay for it. We

[2:16:35] have to send officers there knowing that

[2:16:38] the the performers going to reimburse

[2:16:40] us.

[2:16:43] >> So So in terms of these community

[2:16:44] events, are all the officers on overtime

[2:16:47] for these events or do we have a mix?

[2:16:51] >> Typically it's over time.

[2:16:52] >> All time. Yeah, very rarely would we

[2:16:55] have the staffing available to put them

[2:16:58] there. That doesn't mean that we don't

[2:16:59] have events that we

[2:17:03] won't send officers on patrol just to go

[2:17:05] in and out just they won't they wouldn't

[2:17:07] be posted there. They're posted there.

[2:17:09] They're getting paid there

[2:17:12] during the day in the summer time.

[2:17:14] Sometimes the school cos are there.

[2:17:18] If you were to put an estimate in terms

[2:17:20] of like let's say all the event that we

[2:17:22] had this year and do a comparison

[2:17:24] >> would you able to attach an estimate

[2:17:26] dollar amount to that what it will cost

[2:17:29] if you don't have

[2:17:31] you can provide that to us. So we've

[2:17:33] looked at it because if that is over

[2:17:35] time I don't think that will break the

[2:17:37] bank here it would be you know thousands

[2:17:39] of dollars but it won't be hundreds of

[2:17:41] thousands. So we have a reimburseable

[2:17:45] details was last year was 67,733

[2:17:52] and year to date build 39,832

[2:17:56] so far

[2:17:57] >> 2024 was 68k

[2:17:59] >> that's reimburseable details that

[2:18:01] doesn't include

[2:18:03] >> Oh yes summer night Christmas stuff that

[2:18:07] we

[2:18:07] >> What do you have for your actual this

[2:18:09] year? I mean so far it's 40,000

[2:18:12] >> 40,000 over here today

[2:18:14] >> about 150,000 total

[2:18:17] >> give or take about 150

[2:18:19] >> okay some of that's not reimburseable

[2:18:22] Christmas

[2:18:22] >> rivers casino last year was 67 so

[2:18:25] there's certain

[2:18:26] >> we have a couple different lines that we

[2:18:28] have to

[2:18:34] » is reverse casino part of an agreement

[2:18:38] is that That's it's reimburseable but not over time.

[2:18:42] >> It's it's over time. Yeah. It's like a

[2:18:45] separate billing that's

[2:18:52] even number.

[2:18:52] >> Okay. Yeah.

[2:18:55] >> So you want the total?

[2:18:56] >> Yeah. Just an estimate of what it would

[2:18:58] cost us if we were to

[2:19:01] surface to all these um events.

[2:19:08] Go ahead please.

[2:19:09] >> Uh I think it's just important to

[2:19:11] highlight that the only difference in

[2:19:14] how this overtime conversation is being

[2:19:18] discussed that this has been included in

[2:19:20] the proposed budget. Sincerely and with

[2:19:22] all respect everyone at the table the

[2:19:24] comments and response to this car milder

[2:19:26] in comparison to what individuals such

[2:19:29] as myself

[2:19:31] Mr. Farley when raising the same issues

[2:19:33] and concerns. Although it's slightly

[2:19:36] worrisome that number would be included

[2:19:38] in the proposed budget. I'm in agreement

[2:19:40] with the fact that we have to be more

[2:19:42] strategic in how we operate

[2:19:45] with the police. Um I think the worry is

[2:19:48] just how sick and then sincerely not

[2:19:50] wanting to put you and your officers.

[2:19:52] She put her in harm's way when needing

[2:19:55] to kind of delay responses to the

[2:19:57] community. Um but I think my worry is

[2:20:00] we're making considerable investments in

[2:20:02] technology.

[2:20:04] saw the conversation that we just had.

[2:20:06] Those are either not sufficient or

[2:20:08] they're not working. And I don't think

[2:20:10] that's a difficult or

[2:20:12] wrong thing to say. I think this

[2:20:14] identifies there needs to be a different

[2:20:15] approach. Um if you care to comment, but

[2:20:20] I think in hearing how these budget

[2:20:23] talks have continued over the years,

[2:20:25] it's clear to me that it's fluid. So we

[2:20:28] put anywhere

[2:20:30] as long as it bottoms out or evens out

[2:20:32] at the end of the year that's what

[2:20:33] matters. So I think what I think would

[2:20:35] be more valuable is how do we condense

[2:20:38] this year to date budget which is very rough on the eyes to understand

[2:20:43] what the actual numbers are and that

[2:20:46] would get them right away. So I'm going

[2:20:47] to be taking time to read through that.

[2:20:49] Um but sincerely I would hope

[2:20:54] that confident aligning at the end of

[2:20:56] the year.

[2:20:58] But since those are your comments,

[2:21:02] >> yeah, just to add to that, like I can

[2:21:04] recall two years ago, three years ago,

[2:21:06] we were down like 140 officers in I

[2:21:11] think every time we come to the council

[2:21:13] say they wanted us to hire more officer

[2:21:17] and we're talk about hiring more officer

[2:21:19] will help with the reduction over time.

[2:21:22] And at the same time our investment in

[2:21:24] technology new technology and advanc

[2:21:28] health will reduce the over time and

[2:21:29] that's something you have brought to us

[2:21:31] and kind of you know we we partner with

[2:21:33] you because of those suggestion that you

[2:21:36] have brought forward to us. So I think

[2:21:39] the overtime reduction

[2:21:42] is in partnership with new technology

[2:21:44] with a full complement of 168 officer

[2:21:48] give and take. We had six out. So

[2:21:52] is that still working with a full

[2:21:54] complement of the uniform officer plus

[2:21:57] all the advanced technology that we have

[2:22:00] still need the full capacity of time

[2:22:05] historically

[2:22:07] I think my response to that is and this

[2:22:09] is this is why I requested a staffing by

[2:22:12] the state I actually requested one

[2:22:15] precoid it got stopped because of co and

[2:22:19] they didn't finish it And then when I

[2:22:21] circled back, finally got it to be done

[2:22:23] again, the response they gave me is this

[2:22:26] is actually good for you and the

[2:22:28] department because the state has

[2:22:30] re-evaluated the way that they conduct

[2:22:32] staffing analysis for police departments

[2:22:34] because of the shift of our world we

[2:22:37] live in. The shift of technology, the

[2:22:39] shift of society. We're dealing with so

[2:22:42] many things, more things now than we

[2:22:44] were nine years ago. Um, nine years ago,

[2:22:47] we weren't dealing with the social

[2:22:48] problems that we're dealing with now.

[2:22:50] Um, you know, the police department's

[2:22:52] dealing with homelessness, with poverty,

[2:22:55] with food insecurity, with pan handling.

[2:22:57] We're dealing with that now. We weren't

[2:22:58] doing it, nine years ago.

[2:23:00] >> We're dealing with aggressive uh

[2:23:03] juveniles on electric bicycles in

[2:23:07] traffic, punching cars, punching people,

[2:23:10] robbing people, you name it. And those

[2:23:13] things didn't exist before. they were

[2:23:14] pedal bikes.

[2:23:16] >> We're dealing with an increase in needs

[2:23:20] between cell phones or apps to commit

[2:23:24] crimes um to report crimes and it's just

[2:23:27] I think it's shifted the job that we're

[2:23:30] doing and yes the technology is is

[2:23:34] basically close the gap for us to keep

[2:23:37] our staffing numbers consistent but I

[2:23:40] might I might argue that without that

[2:23:42] technology maybe We would need 225 cops

[2:23:46] to do the job that we're doing now with

[2:23:48] 165. So I until we get this analysis

[2:23:52] done, we won't know the right answer.

[2:23:53] But um I I completely understand the

[2:23:57] concerns because you're not wrong, but I

[2:23:59] did come here and I said, "Yeah, we do

[2:24:01] this. They should say this and that was

[2:24:03] the thought at the time, but society

[2:24:05] shifts sometimes."

[2:24:07] >> Go ahead. I would say I appreciate that

[2:24:09] uh those additional comments because it

[2:24:11] does change the context and what

[2:24:14] given you.

[2:24:16] >> Any other comments?

[2:24:19] >> So, chief, as you're talking about the

[2:24:21] chip in society and things that you guys

[2:24:24] are being tasked to deal with, I think

[2:24:26] that that is a conversation that needs

[2:24:28] to be had because I don't think that um

[2:24:30] you know, calling the police or police

[2:24:32] responding to every situation is good

[2:24:34] for the community nor good for you guys.

[2:24:36] So, I guess what are some of the things

[2:24:39] um that you're

[2:24:42] responding to that that maybe you think

[2:24:45] it'd be a a better response, you know,

[2:24:49] or maybe a different level of

[2:24:52] intervention that doesn't involve the

[2:24:54] police or involve the police so uh

[2:24:57] significantly. If you haven't anything

[2:24:58] come to mind

[2:25:03] we had some ideas and we tried to

[2:25:05] implement things that the reality of it

[2:25:07] is part of the biggest problem as a

[2:25:09] society we have is not finding people

[2:25:10] that want jobs. They don't want to work.

[2:25:13] So we're doing things that in perfect

[2:25:16] society we have mental health workers

[2:25:19] responding to but they're work by

[2:25:22] themselves. So so who do you call when

[2:25:25] nobody else respond? call the police the

[2:25:28] last resort. So, we're going there and

[2:25:30] because we weren't properly trained to

[2:25:33] do the job, we were forced to be

[2:25:36] properly trained and and build out a

[2:25:38] whole unit which we've done and an

[2:25:41] expense additional cost. Um and because

[2:25:46] those are very challenging

[2:25:49] situations and specifically those with

[2:25:52] mental illness, we need to have

[2:25:55] accountability. We need to have that

[2:25:56] technology to deal with the body cameras

[2:25:59] so we can get a better idea

[2:26:01] to see how we're doing with it. Um we're

[2:26:05] constantly thinking about different ways

[2:26:08] that we can do things. That's why we

[2:26:09] attend training conferences that we do

[2:26:12] to see what other people are doing in

[2:26:13] other parts of the country or other

[2:26:14] parts of the world. And we've been very

[2:26:17] intimidated here doing things. Um

[2:26:22] that magic bullet to the solid.

[2:26:26] » So I somewhat related is

[2:26:30] uh you know one of our

[2:26:34] large stakeholders in the community is

[2:26:36] Union College. Um, and I'm wondering

[2:26:41] how Union College there our relationship

[2:26:44] with Union College. Um, on some of our

[2:26:48] services, how is that evening out or

[2:26:51] measuring?

[2:26:54] » I mean, are a graduate of the union?

[2:26:58] >> Okay. So, I think you want to answer

[2:27:00] that.

[2:27:02] >> Had a close relationship with him, but

[2:27:04] every time I've reached out and I've

[2:27:05] reached out multiple times

[2:27:08] They have not helped. They have not come

[2:27:10] to help us multiple times.

[2:27:15] You can only ask so many times before

[2:27:16] you look somewhere else.

[2:27:22] » But the college went home not so much.

[2:27:26] >> So I so I in preliminary conversations

[2:27:30] with some of the leadership of union

[2:27:32] around this issue. Um, I guess I'm

[2:27:34] talking a little bit more specifically

[2:27:35] around like the use of service, like the

[2:27:39] use of our services. Um, would it be

[2:27:45] wrong or inaccurate to say that they are

[2:27:49] kind of extracting some of our services

[2:27:51] cuz they call us, but there's there's no

[2:27:54] reciprocal.

[2:27:57] Would that be accurate for you to say or

[2:28:01] >> Okay, thank you.

[2:28:09] Um I'm just wondering and maybe it's

[2:28:11] someplace else and I just am not

[2:28:13] remembering it correctly but in terms of

[2:28:15] like the mental health counselor that we

[2:28:18] did have employed um

[2:28:21] for you guys you know for

[2:28:24] first responders. Is that person still

[2:28:27] with us? Where is that?

[2:28:28] >> She was under feature services.

[2:28:30] >> Oh thank you.

[2:28:35] >> Okay, great. Oh, there we go.

[2:28:36] >> We didn't approve that.

[2:28:41] » Thank you.

[2:28:42] >> Yeah,

[2:28:43] >> she is. She is very wonderful. She's

[2:28:45] help.

[2:28:47] >> That's great.

[2:28:48] >> She's also the same individual that

[2:28:49] supports the entire department.

[2:28:50] >> Yes. And we definitely appreciate your

[2:28:52] support of

[2:28:53] >> Yes. All right. We'll move to next page.

[2:28:57] Police investigation page 34.

[2:29:03] Chief, anything you would like to

[2:29:04] highlight here for us? Any movement? Any

[2:29:09] increase here?

[2:29:11] 52

[2:29:13] bill. So 53.

[2:29:15] Is there movement from one department to

[2:29:17] the next?

[2:29:18] >> Next one.

[2:29:22] crime analyst in general is no

[2:29:25] longer in the budget. And the give

[2:29:27] analyst is was one of the crime analyst

[2:29:30] assistants. Now they're working so they

[2:29:34] have a new title of give analyst and

[2:29:36] that is funded.

[2:29:38] >> Okay.

[2:29:39] >> And that is in the give

[2:29:44] no longer in there that was funded

[2:29:48] through a grant and now one of our

[2:29:50] partners

[2:29:58] to us.

[2:30:00] >> Any questions?

[2:30:01] >> But still serving that serving.

[2:30:04] >> I remember that from

[2:30:05] >> it's a different person now. That person

[2:30:07] >> Okay.

[2:30:08] >> arms left us part.

[2:30:11] >> Okay.

[2:30:13] >> Yes. Go ahead.

[2:30:14] >> Say I'm trying to figure out the change

[2:30:16] where there it's looks like there's one more fil than there was in 25.

[2:30:23] 36

[2:30:25] investigative.

[2:30:27] >> Yes. One describe detective that we

[2:30:30] >> fully funded.

[2:30:31] >> Yes. When we went we came to the um

[2:30:33] council last year our number was 167

[2:30:37] total bills and then a few months ago we

[2:30:39] came with a strive grant right

[2:30:41] >> and when we asked you to accept that we

[2:30:43] asked for it would increase our number

[2:30:45] by one for the stage.

[2:30:48] So

[2:30:50] I'm looking for that under that like I'm

[2:30:52] not maybe that particular name but I see

[2:30:54] detective under this particular one for

[2:30:58] that for the stri under police

[2:31:00] >> that's just that would just be under

[2:31:03] investigator sorry I'm using the word

[2:31:05] detective but investigator

[2:31:07] >> okay investigate okay and I see thank

[2:31:10] you

[2:31:11] >> any other questions for this section

[2:31:15] » well

[2:31:16] M I just want to say just as I did with

[2:31:19] the fire

[2:31:20] >> department. I mean, I appreciate the

[2:31:21] grants that you all um bring in

[2:31:24] regularly and come to us with uh to

[2:31:26] exact. I appreciate that you do your

[2:31:29] best to try to offset some of those

[2:31:31] expenses to all

[2:31:35] the

[2:31:36] investigative

[2:31:38] the uh

[2:31:40] the overtime 750,000

[2:31:44] not as target I think as field services.

[2:31:47] Okay. our analysis. Uh

[2:31:54] » what was your initial um estimates?

[2:31:58] >> 1.1 million. We knocked it down to a

[2:32:00] million after reevaluating

[2:32:03] with the raises.

[2:32:06] >> Hopeful hopeful knocks

[2:32:10] major cases like homicides

[2:32:14] the realistic number we're looking at is

[2:32:15] 850.

[2:32:19] But um again investigation gives you a

[2:32:22] little bit more discretion. Our chief

[2:32:24] has assured us he'll he'll do his best

[2:32:26] to stay within it.

[2:32:30] >> May have not

[2:32:32] for some

[2:32:34] time that uh might be hard to

[2:32:44] » if we had to go to reduced budget line

[2:32:46] there for overtime. We might have to

[2:32:48] pick and choose what what we send

[2:32:49] detectives in to investigate. um maybe

[2:32:52] some burglaries. There's nothing out. We

[2:32:55] wouldn't come in and process those

[2:32:56] scenes. You just have to make decisions

[2:32:58] on what we're calling detectives in for

[2:33:01] that can't wait till the next day

[2:33:03] straight time to answer. But we prefer

[2:33:06] to we prefer to exercise bunches of

[2:33:09] caution on on anything that's a part of

[2:33:11] crime or felony level, but we might have

[2:33:14] to make those hard decisions sometimes.

[2:33:20] I think there was a question on the

[2:33:21] confidential fund. Was that answer or is

[2:33:24] it being

[2:33:30] » wasn't me? I don't think

[2:33:33] >> hopefully we'll follow up and make sure

[2:33:34] that

[2:33:35] >> an answer is provided.

[2:33:38] >> Are there any questions for this

[2:33:39] section?

[2:33:42] And now I'm going move to page um

[2:33:46] 38

[2:33:48] uh parking

[2:34:01] there. We uh remove one IPF2 that's the

[2:34:07] works the window so that we position Any

[2:34:19] questions regarding this section

[2:34:21] parking?

[2:34:26] Now we'll move to page uh

[2:34:30] page 46

[2:34:32] animal control.

[2:34:37] » You said 46.

[2:34:38] >> Yes.

[2:34:46] This one.

[2:34:56] » Are we going to have that position or is

[2:34:57] the supervisor going to be taking

[2:34:59] control of? Um, we would love to have

[2:35:04] control of position but uh

[2:35:10] it was vacant. So going through the

[2:35:12] budget

[2:35:14] all vacant positions were

[2:35:20] taken out there was any funding that

[2:35:22] could be found. We would absolutely love

[2:35:24] that.

[2:35:25] >> Was a big company?

[2:35:26] >> Uh no I think it was six months this

[2:35:29] year. We had somebody

[2:35:36] we did try to hype up a little bit and

[2:35:43] not

[2:35:48] » so we just have so right now we just

[2:35:50] have the dog control supervisor who does

[2:35:53] the duties of well there's already

[2:35:55] supervised um so they do the duties of

[2:35:57] the dog control officer

[2:35:59] She's doing the duties of everything.

[2:36:01] She's absolutely amazing.

[2:36:03] >> Um,

[2:36:04] she's awesome. So, she's doing

[2:36:07] everything she possibly can.

[2:36:15] » Yeah.

[2:36:16] >> Is there any I know Lieutenant works

[2:36:19] with human any grants that he can look

[2:36:23] into as far as filling that position or

[2:36:26] has that I don't know.

[2:36:29] Certainly, but we have been all over.

[2:36:38] » Okay. He's helped us get three different

[2:36:42] animals.

[2:36:47] » So, I want to say uh just the other was

[2:36:51] it last week there was a loose dog in my

[2:36:53] neighborhood. There was a call made. Um

[2:36:56] it's really cute dog. I saw that.

[2:36:58] >> Yeah.

[2:36:59] >> Long story. However, animal control

[2:37:02] officer, she was

[2:37:03] >> there right away.

[2:37:05] >> Um and and really gave a lot of good

[2:37:08] information to me and some of my

[2:37:09] neighbors of how to proceed, you know,

[2:37:11] and what what the options would be and

[2:37:13] really what would happen if they had to

[2:37:15] kind of take the dog, which was a little

[2:37:16] scary and a whole another situation. But

[2:37:18] I guess I remember us talking about and maybe I'm conflating two things. Um

[2:37:24] so forgive me if I am, but we talked

[2:37:25] about

[2:37:27] There were some funds that we were for

[2:37:30] maybe lack of a better term maybe

[2:37:32] reallocating for another

[2:37:35] animal shelter if you will. there was

[2:37:37] like some cost efficiency things that

[2:37:39] were happening there and is then that

[2:37:42] wasn't related to uh to staffing or was

[2:37:45] that just for

[2:37:49] » currently right now we have

[2:37:52] uh the council approved $150,000 two

[2:37:55] years ago for capital funds for

[2:37:58] renovation support for shelter

[2:38:01] >> and then we received a grant for

[2:38:04] $200,000 that council accepted to

[2:38:07] renovate

[2:38:08] new animal shelter. So we have a total

[2:38:10] of $350,000 for animal shelter

[2:38:14] >> that now we're working on they wanted to

[2:38:19] rent one we have now

[2:38:21] >> with the new standards that are coming

[2:38:23] out I believe it's the end of this year

[2:38:26] the one we have now would be not

[2:38:29] suitable for the new standards.

[2:38:31] >> Okay. So working on getting our grant

[2:38:33] modified in order to build a new one.

[2:38:36] There was a lot of hiccups in that

[2:38:38] process, but we're working on the final

[2:38:40] paperwork now and we're working on

[2:38:42] building a new one on city property as

[2:38:46] well next to the old one.

[2:38:47] >> Okay.

[2:38:48] >> So that would take care of building a

[2:38:51] new shelter, but that would still we

[2:38:53] still have a partnership with Mohawk

[2:38:55] Hudson we have now.

[2:38:57] >> And the idea would be that they'd be

[2:38:59] able to help

[2:39:02] host some classes and things for some

[2:39:05] residents and then have some volunteers

[2:39:08] come up and help with the animals things

[2:39:10] like that.

[2:39:11] That's what the

[2:39:12] >> Yeah,

[2:39:12] >> that's what the the grand plan would be.

[2:39:16] They would be out patrolling they would

[2:39:19] be able to we'd be able to bring the

[2:39:21] animals to here instead bring them out

[2:39:23] to the volunteers be able to bring them

[2:39:26] back to the hose.

[2:39:28] So we don't have to do that right now.

[2:39:30] If we bring pick a then the accompan

[2:39:38] so she's out of city.

[2:39:41] >> Okay. So the $150,000 that we approved

[2:39:45] outside of the grant. Was that matching

[2:39:47] funds for the grant or that was?

[2:39:48] >> So we are going to be using that. So it

[2:39:50] wasn't you guys actually approved that

[2:39:52] before we got the money that that was

[2:39:54] before my time in the in the position I

[2:39:58] was in. It was to

[2:40:00] uh make some adjustments to the down

[2:40:03] there and still operate what was down

[2:40:06] there. I should be going down there.

[2:40:09] >> Yeah.

[2:40:13] » And then

[2:40:15] the grant to get these nicer but there's

[2:40:19] some air quality standards.

[2:40:23] There's been some talk around

[2:40:26] this new articles and things like that

[2:40:30] now the one we have now it's going to be

[2:40:33] very very expens so the new one's going

[2:40:36] to be cheaper.

[2:40:37] >> Sure. So I guess I'm just wondering that

[2:40:40] seems like that's something that's a

[2:40:41] little down the line at best. Would it

[2:40:43] be that $150,000 that we allocate that

[2:40:47] we allocated for for the use of that

[2:40:49] purpose? Would it be more beneficial to

[2:40:52] the larger community to maybe reallocate

[2:40:55] that $150,000 to bring on a second um

[2:40:58] officer in between in the meantime

[2:41:04] is also matching

[2:41:05] >> funds

[2:41:09] for this grant paperwork completed um

[2:41:14] the you know would actually have to be

[2:41:16] completed I believe it's by September

[2:41:19] next year.

[2:41:21] So it's not completed by

[2:41:23] >> Okay. So expectated timeline. All right.

[2:41:26] Thank you.

[2:41:27] >> Thank you.

[2:41:29] >> So I found myself thinking about um

[2:41:32] military years and I was a newly

[2:41:34] commissioned officer. Bear with me. Um

[2:41:36] one thing they told you not to do is not

[2:41:39] to be the idea fairy. Just throwing out

[2:41:42] ideas. So I can only imagine what it was

[2:41:44] like to hear just our good intention

[2:41:48] just recommendations to you all about

[2:41:50] and that good uh is there any ability to

[2:41:53] have a perspective like I can count on

[2:41:55] my hand if individuals

[2:41:58] that part

[2:41:59] of like um training and dealing with

[2:42:03] dogs or what have you. Is there any

[2:42:05] ability to guess deputize them or use

[2:42:09] their services without having to bring

[2:42:10] on a full-time individual with the help

[2:42:12] of that on the supervising?

[2:42:15] >> Um, that would be a question for the the

[2:42:18] CSA also because there' be a union

[2:42:21] issues

[2:42:23] and possible some liability for workers

[2:42:26] comp and some other things. We've had

[2:42:29] several ACOs

[2:42:31] previously. Our current one now is she's

[2:42:33] been briefed but

[2:42:35] something that

[2:42:38] said work for a while. So there's but it

[2:42:42] is a good idea if it works out. Um, so

[2:42:46] if it is possible and somebody's willing

[2:42:48] to do that kind of work at no charge or

[2:42:50] something like that that

[2:42:57] we did have a part time we did have a

[2:42:59] part-time officer or one for a little

[2:43:02] while gotten

[2:43:05] we had very minimal salary in that um

[2:43:09] and through the see it through the union

[2:43:12] that we had to offer anything to the

[2:43:15] full-time officer first before you go to

[2:43:18] part time. So there was

[2:43:20] >> if they needed something, it had to go

[2:43:21] to them first before going to part time.

[2:43:23] So that's something just we have to work

[2:43:26] around or have to discuss with the CCA.

[2:43:29] We're doing that. But if that was a

[2:43:31] discussion of we're going to have these

[2:43:33] part time, we're able to have more. I

[2:43:36] think the current one would be more than

[2:43:37] happy to work with somebody just to have

[2:43:40] more hands on deck.

[2:43:43] >> Go ahead. last question or statement

[2:43:46] around this. I mean there's nothing

[2:43:47] >> and clearly my ideas were better than

[2:43:48] Mr. Williams so we don't have to that's

[2:43:51] just nothing need to be said but I

[2:43:52] thought we should note that um so is a

[2:43:55] way to work with like I you know in this

[2:43:58] recent situation looking at like working

[2:44:00] with like there's like rescues like like

[2:44:03] you know nonprofits actually 501c3s who

[2:44:06] are like that's their thing to do that

[2:44:09] you know to come you know get animals.

[2:44:11] Is there a way for the city to do it to

[2:44:15] partner with them but avoiding you know

[2:44:18] um significant liability being that that

[2:44:20] would be who you know if I'm calling

[2:44:24] animal rescue for animal then you know

[2:44:26] maybe like that officer says oh well you

[2:44:30] can also make this call to this agency

[2:44:32] and they do that like was that is there

[2:44:35] a way to do because I feel like that's

[2:44:37] one area where we and maybe I'm just I

[2:44:40] could be wrong about this but there's a lot of interest in people that

[2:44:43] are willing to, you know, kind of yes,

[2:44:46] donate their time, but also like there's

[2:44:48] like 501c3s that actually do that.

[2:44:50] >> So, there might be, but I know a lot of

[2:44:52] times there's a lot of them are full, a

[2:44:54] lot of people that are always reaching

[2:44:57] out to us. I mean, I'm part of the email

[2:44:58] chain that there's always too many

[2:45:02] animals places. So, I was looking all

[2:45:04] these foundations and places that are

[2:45:06] willing to go do the work. They're

[2:45:07] always find trying to find places like

[2:45:10] put the animals places.

[2:45:12] >> Um and then once I believe the city is

[2:45:16] could be run the city is liable to we

[2:45:19] have to house the dog for we have to

[2:45:21] keep the dog in certain amount of days.

[2:45:24] So if we lose dog we find it we have to

[2:45:26] keep them for 5 days

[2:45:28] >> specific protocols that's why we have

[2:45:29] the relationship with

[2:45:30] >> Mohawk

[2:45:32] >> which is the best financial

[2:45:35] shot around

[2:45:38] it applies primarily to dogs. If you

[2:45:41] have raccoons, other uh squirrels, other

[2:45:46] times come in for other animals. There

[2:45:49] are different

[2:45:52] uh agencies and groups that will rehab

[2:45:55] or take those that we don't have the

[2:45:58] same responsibility. So they can go from

[2:46:02] the enablement finding

[2:46:05] cats and dogs have probably the biggest

[2:46:08] support network and we primarily focus

[2:46:12] on dogs and a lot of it's just educating

[2:46:15] people to make sure the dogs are

[2:46:16] licensed. People are playing by the

[2:46:19] rules so that when they do get loose or

[2:46:23] people find them they're easily

[2:46:25] identifiable. that can be uh either

[2:46:28] scanned through a chip or their tag is

[2:46:30] on them so that they can be quickly

[2:46:32] returned to their owner as opposed to

[2:46:35] having to house them Hudson

[2:46:39] the people down and uh you know it ends

[2:46:43] up being an expensive process.

[2:46:45] There are some people who

[2:46:49] landlords and property owners probably

[2:46:51] shouldn't own pets

[2:46:54] in you know control officers in there

[2:46:58] use less than ideal conditions

[2:47:03] dangerous dogs some cases that go to

[2:47:06] trial

[2:47:08] and those begin to become

[2:47:11] time consuming and expensive when the

[2:47:13] dogs have to be house for

[2:47:18] she's talking about five days sometimes

[2:47:20] comes longer periods of time because of

[2:47:22] the courts

[2:47:25] can go for two months sometimes and the

[2:47:27] only thing I would

[2:47:29] have

[2:47:32] agreements again for

[2:47:34] somebody else come up and do their work

[2:47:37] something else

[2:47:39] >> yeah I was going to ask that question

[2:47:40] because how I understand it animal

[2:47:43] cruelty isn't nec necessarily to be

[2:47:46] handled by the uh animal officer like

[2:47:50] that like that animal cruelty is a

[2:47:52] crime. So that's not

[2:47:55] that type of investigation things will

[2:47:57] come out of what the general whatever

[2:47:59] the larger expenses are the same same

[2:48:02] way right like there there's not like a

[2:48:04] >> they'll assist in

[2:48:09] >> okay SPCA

[2:48:13] that

[2:48:18] » go ahead please

[2:48:19] >> just as a side not there's wildlife

[2:48:21] rehabilitators Um, mama Posum was in my

[2:48:24] yard and she ran and left like five of

[2:48:26] her babies and my daughter Googled this

[2:48:29] rehabilitator and she actually lives in

[2:48:31] Radan. She took all the babies and she

[2:48:34] has to raise them till they're three

[2:48:35] pounds in her kitchen. So different

[2:48:37] Yeah. And she had So there are people

[2:48:40] out there who just have a place only in

[2:48:42] my house.

[2:48:43] >> Seriously? Yeah.

[2:48:44] >> Why your house?

[2:48:45] >> For no money. I mean we did I do for a

[2:48:49] nice donation but there are individuals

[2:48:51] that do that out there right in our

[2:48:53] area.

[2:48:55] >> All right any other question for this

[2:48:57] section?

[2:48:57] >> I don't have any questions but I think

[2:48:59] that know based on this conversation

[2:49:01] that just happened around all that stuff

[2:49:04] there might be an opportunity for you

[2:49:05] all to come just explain all that you

[2:49:08] know

[2:49:08] >> the opportunities the because I didn't

[2:49:11] know about if you had a chair you could

[2:49:12] get your dog back and all that stuff. So

[2:49:14] I think an opportunity that's not a

[2:49:15] budget session would be nice to have to

[2:49:17] know all that information. So thank you

[2:49:19] for that.

[2:49:22] >> All right, we'll move on. Since we on

[2:49:24] this page, we'll just uh complete the

[2:49:26] police review board

[2:49:33] » and that is going down to $10,000 from

[2:49:41] any question regarding that and then

[2:49:44] we'll move into since we have

[2:49:47] chief here we'll go into the capital

[2:49:50] project budget that so they completely

[2:49:54] >> pull it apart.

[2:49:57] >> So I do have a question about the

[2:49:58] 10,000.

[2:49:59] >> Go ahead please.

[2:50:01] >> Uh so that is to send

[2:50:04] people in training. Is that correct?

[2:50:06] >> So we actually

[2:50:08] are independent. So actually no

[2:50:15] ask let's ask for a commissioner.

[2:50:28] some of the um

[2:50:31] items.

[2:50:33] They showed off their

[2:50:35] little tablecloth and otherwise

[2:50:46] for more fun. And how much do they spend

[2:50:49] for training this year? Because I know

[2:50:50] they sent

[2:50:50] >> people

[2:50:52] historically if you look it's under

[2:50:54] $4,000.

[2:50:57] >> I know historically spend they've been

[2:50:59] more mindful but to find out that they

[2:51:10] think I think it's different people

[2:51:12] every year. They've been trying to um

[2:51:14] circulate through the people so that

[2:51:16] they don't send the same people so that

[2:51:18] they're trying to get everybody trained.

[2:52:05] It's not these

[2:52:06] No, that is a

[2:52:11] » doesn't want to leave because

[2:52:16] it

[2:52:18] >> has it there.

[2:52:19] >> We all have an actual sheet so we can

[2:52:21] look it up.

[2:52:22] >> I did find it. It says, well, year to

[2:52:25] date actual ads of September 30th was

[2:52:27] $500. So, we

[2:52:30] >> maybe they haven't maybe those bills

[2:52:32] haven't come in yet or something.

[2:52:33] >> I would say possibly

[2:52:35] >> I would say because I know we get to go

[2:52:38] on a hotel and all that stuff.

[2:52:42] >> So, I know that that can't be.

[2:52:47] >> All right.

[2:52:47] >> So, can we follow up on that? Make sure

[2:52:49] that we have the actual

[2:52:50] >> Absolutely. So let's take

[2:53:03] Okay, we'll move into um capital project

[2:53:08] and we'll go to the police department

[2:53:09] section.

[2:53:14] If you want to walk us through this

[2:53:20] » two items first vehicles three SUVs

[2:53:24] which would be regular frontline

[2:53:26] vehicles

[2:53:28] on marked car which are protected

[2:53:30] vehicles one parking

[2:53:36] beautiful

[2:53:37] >> what type of SUV

[2:53:39] >> we do four hybrid SUVs with the quarter

[2:53:42] developers.

[2:53:45] >> Okay.

[2:53:46] >> The unmarked cars. Um

[2:53:51] we're using the Chevy.

[2:53:53] >> Okay.

[2:53:54] >> And then the parking be

[2:53:58] next year supposed to be the Chevy Bolt

[2:54:00] is supposed to be back again, which

[2:54:01] right now we have um two of those in

[2:54:04] 2026.

[2:54:06] Making that again. And that's a nice car

[2:54:09] for parking. It's a very an inexpensive

[2:54:12] electric vehicle. So for that

[2:54:14] >> and then the evidence uh is also a

[2:54:18] hybrid explorer.

[2:54:22] » Any question regarding these capital

[2:54:24] project items?

[2:54:29] » Do we do any kind of rebate or refunds

[2:54:32] or trade in for the older cars or what?

[2:54:34] Um historically we not recommend them

[2:54:38] into the we do auction off. I'm not sure

[2:54:41] um

[2:54:43] if we did have a bunch down um on still

[2:54:47] there

[2:54:49] and they end up in the budget and

[2:54:50] there's a budget line for

[2:54:54] not our budget but

[2:54:57] >> there are several

[2:55:03] evidence.

[2:55:07] » Sure. Um as I mentioned earlier we have

[2:55:09] evidence

[2:55:10] prices going on. This would be um

[2:55:15] those shipping containers,

[2:55:18] fancy one, one that has temperature

[2:55:20] control that we put evidence in it. Um

[2:55:24] our highest priority is frozen evidence.

[2:55:27] um

[2:55:29] DNA rape kits that we right now we

[2:55:31] brought nine industrial

[2:55:35] freezers in our basement

[2:55:38] from $1,000 each.

[2:55:41] The idea would be to get a box truck

[2:55:43] that's refrigerated that we put all that

[2:55:45] evidence in get those nine refrigerators

[2:55:48] that use a lot of energy out of our

[2:55:51] basement. They also create a lot of

[2:55:52] heat. um and put that benefits in there.

[2:55:56] And then, you know, from a perspective,

[2:55:58] so longer term solution would be to

[2:56:02] potentially get a temperature controlled

[2:56:04] one or evidence that we currently keep

[2:56:06] in a garage that we would be using for

[2:56:11] our motorcycles and bicycles and all

[2:56:13] that stuff instead of sharing our sal

[2:56:16] there. So,

[2:56:18] >> more of a longer term solution, but this

[2:56:20] will be the first step for that. Any

[2:56:27] other questions?

[2:56:30] >> Thank you for a wonderful presentation

[2:56:33] always.

[2:56:36] You can sit with us and have the rest of

[2:56:37] the fun.

[2:56:43] I'm requesting that we take a a couple

[2:56:44] minutes break and then we'll get back to

[2:56:47] >> Thank you.

[2:56:50] Yeah.

[2:57:08] » We're taking a break.

[2:57:16] Is that

[3:16:25] I did. Thank you. Thanks.

[3:16:39] » That's going to be Chris.

[3:16:55] Yes.

[3:17:00] » Yes. Yeah. Then we'll go to

[3:17:15] Wherever.

[3:17:18] » Oh,

[3:17:22] she

[3:17:23] >> she's just taking

[3:17:25] >> Yes.

[3:17:30] We're going to start on page 25.

[3:17:35] Coffee management staff building and

[3:17:37] grants.

[3:17:53] » Oh yes, let's do that. We missed the

[3:17:56] capital for the fire department and they

[3:17:59] have one item

[3:18:02] commission for that one item which is

[3:18:05] the rescue

[3:18:07] vehicle.

[3:18:23] Thank you.

[3:18:42] Yes. Ready?

[3:18:43] >> Yes. Go ahead, please.

[3:18:45] >> Um, so there's one fire deployment

[3:18:47] capital request. It's for a fire

[3:18:49] department rescue vehicle. uh cost is

[3:18:52] $250,000.

[3:18:55] The description have here is the rescue

[3:18:57] one is the top five busiest life support

[3:19:00] vehicles

[3:19:01] approximately 6,000 incidents per year.

[3:19:04] In 2019, the current rescue one was

[3:19:06] built at the current for six years. This

[3:19:08] vehicle service has responded to

[3:19:09] approximately 36,000 incidents

[3:19:11] throughout the city. Rescue one is the

[3:19:13] most visible fires in the city both

[3:19:15] residents and visitors.

[3:19:18] In addition to responding to emergency

[3:19:20] incidents throughout the city including

[3:19:21] but not limited medical fires assistance

[3:19:24] NBC's

[3:19:26] homicide and special hazards rescue

[3:19:28] apparas are also they showcase at events

[3:19:30] like summer nights running events at

[3:19:32] central park and other detail requested

[3:19:36] the car and rescue one will replace the

[3:19:37] current rescue 3 which is now 10 years

[3:19:40] old.

[3:19:41] 3 will be used as a return for meetings

[3:19:43] and other detail that's needed.

[3:19:47] » Are there any questions regarding this?

[3:19:53] » Sorry miss additional question we can

[3:19:58] chief

[3:19:59] provide answer.

[3:20:01] >> Okay. Page 25 property management staff

[3:20:05] buildings and drawings.

[3:20:07] D, you just want to give us a

[3:20:11] these are multiple departments.

[3:20:14] Oh, do you want Okay. Um, I can just run

[3:20:18] off general services and give the brief

[3:20:21] description and then I guess maybe one

[3:20:23] at a time.

[3:20:25] >> Yeah, let's do one.

[3:20:30] » Absolutely. Uh for property management

[3:20:32] 1621

[3:20:34] uh the total property management by

[3:20:36] 14.515%

[3:20:38] from 1.2

[3:20:40] million

[3:20:42] approximately 154,450

[3:20:45] decreased uh mobile

[3:20:51] to

[3:20:53] make

[3:20:55] for anis.

[3:21:03] just want to give us a snapshot of

[3:21:05] what's happening within this department

[3:21:07] and address

[3:21:10] >> yeah the administrative size we maintain

[3:21:13] the same number of nuisance officers the

[3:21:16] um three nuisance inspectors the one

[3:21:18] senior nuisance inspector and the

[3:21:20] working crew leader um the rail actually

[3:21:23] the um the snap crew

[3:21:26] property management crew um under the

[3:21:29] per employees um we have one person uh

[3:21:34] leave and we're holding ourselves with

[3:21:37] two carpenters now from last year's

[3:21:39] three um or we're

[3:21:43] going to be very minimal impact with the

[3:21:45] carpenter with one carpenter. Um

[3:21:49] the seasonal labor lawyers um seasonal

[3:21:52] labor

[3:21:54] $75,000 was reduced uh 256,240

[3:21:59] to more reflect the need of the SNAP in

[3:22:02] the past we had various under the 121

[3:22:07] and we had labor temporary for $70,000

[3:22:10] and

[3:22:12] you recall when I was here the waste

[3:22:14] some of the seasonal for being paid out

[3:22:17] of the snap line. They just happen to

[3:22:19] bunch the seasonals there. So we can

[3:22:21] move those to waste to reflect actual

[3:22:24] costs and waste because we do run 14

[3:22:26] seasons in waste.

[3:22:29] Those some of the money was transferred

[3:22:31] over the waste. Um motor equipment

[3:22:34] operators did go from a six to five

[3:22:40] was a permanent position but it is

[3:22:41] vacant now. So it

[3:22:44] I don't feel there'll be any impact. We

[3:22:46] do have seasonal but that's a decision

[3:22:49] of I think that was one of the question

[3:22:51] decision of finance and you you want to

[3:22:53] put that back.

[3:22:58] » I have a question regarding that that we're talking about that particular

[3:23:02] one. So you said it was vacant and was

[3:23:04] it um because someone left it was just

[3:23:06] been vacant for a long time. How long's

[3:23:08] that vacancy been?

[3:23:10] there a while. We do try to

[3:23:13] keep a vacancy within some department.

[3:23:16] We do have a program where people are

[3:23:17] seasoning

[3:23:21] their permit for CDL. Um and we do find

[3:23:26] education um for the EDU uh to get their

[3:23:30] license and get their test. We give them

[3:23:32] the vehicle to take their test and we

[3:23:35] have you know openings various openings

[3:23:37] and still ways for me. So, it does give

[3:23:40] them an opportunity uh to move up. We've

[3:23:43] had a couple people go through the

[3:23:44] program um and we have people who are

[3:23:48] they're content what they do. They don't

[3:23:51] want to for whatever reason they don't

[3:23:52] want to move up to get that license.

[3:23:55] >> So, it's been a vacant for a while and

[3:23:57] you didn't there was some anticipation

[3:23:59] that you said that some people do take

[3:24:01] it and then move up but that has not

[3:24:02] happened in this particular department.

[3:24:04] >> There is a person who took his license

[3:24:06] in that department. Um get his license

[3:24:10] and Chris and I are evaluating because

[3:24:12] some employees when we don't know if

[3:24:15] they're quite ready they still don't

[3:24:17] show off the work.

[3:24:20] >> So if you want to be more specific about

[3:24:22] certain things and we would do executive

[3:24:24] sessions because um just getting your

[3:24:28] license doesn't qualify you become a

[3:24:29] permanent full-time employee. There's

[3:24:31] more to that. There's work ethics and

[3:24:34] there's attendance.

[3:24:37] >> Okay.

[3:24:39] And there are other openings in other

[3:24:41] departments. So an in throughout the

[3:24:43] city and staff membally

[3:24:58] across the board to different

[3:25:00] departments because the rate is the

[3:25:02] same. Job description the title is all

[3:25:04] the same. That's what I'm so

[3:25:06] descriptionally

[3:25:18] just people leave.

[3:25:22] um overtime uh is slightly higher but

[3:25:26] again we do have to realize that um the

[3:25:29] 1037 contract will come up and somehow

[3:25:32] this has to be adjusted once you know

[3:25:37] them. So if there's a rate increase we

[3:25:40] put a little bit of money in there to

[3:25:41] cover cost.

[3:25:46] So, this is in anticipation of their

[3:25:51] negotiation.

[3:25:52] >> There's a little bit more over time when

[3:25:54] we do look at where we are here to date.

[3:25:56] Um, so a little bit more over time

[3:26:00] salaries go up

[3:26:03] kind of stays the same based on hours

[3:26:07] the cost goes up.

[3:26:08] >> No, I understand that. Uh so this is a

[3:26:11] this is in anticipation what's going to

[3:26:13] happen and should it not happen then

[3:26:14] that number would change. It's not a

[3:26:16] significant number.

[3:26:17] >> We don't use a lot of blue tank in the staff. You know we do some

[3:26:22] Saturday alleyway cleanups in um certain

[3:26:27] areas where there's traffic on the

[3:26:29] weekend there's less traffic. There are

[3:26:31] some things that we do but we pretty

[3:26:34] much keep a good eye on that and and you

[3:26:36] know stay

[3:26:40] Just going back on the staffing

[3:26:43] um we did we did receive an email the um

[3:26:47] the union and our president against us

[3:26:50] reduction in staffing. I'm not sure if

[3:26:52] you're aware of that even though

[3:26:54] >> they are. Okay.

[3:26:57] Any other question regarding this

[3:26:58] section?

[3:27:03] Seeing none, we'll move to the 26

[3:27:09] vicinity buildings maintenance.

[3:27:13] » The commission

[3:27:16] increased by 4.29%

[3:27:18] and approximately 85 85,000 to 817,000

[3:27:24] approximately 36k increase.

[3:27:30] Give us a brief summary and

[3:27:34] anything to be

[3:27:36] >> there's not a lot in this obviously know

[3:27:38] what facilities are going to hang in

[3:27:40] here the ground city hall um you know

[3:27:43] all facilities that you know parks

[3:27:45] buildings administrative building up in

[3:27:47] central park uh assignments bathrooms um

[3:27:51] they also have two people assigned to PD

[3:27:54] that are the cleaners that work on

[3:27:56] facilities there's two gentlemen over

[3:27:58] there that work and clean um they go to

[3:28:01] assignments uh home on a weekly basis

[3:28:04] being tight there.

[3:28:07] Um there's currently one vacancy here.

[3:28:11] Um and that's anticipated.

[3:28:14] Um we just had somebody um move through

[3:28:17] that side, but that just came up fairly

[3:28:20] recently.

[3:28:22] >> I already had a question for this.

[3:28:25] >> I think you have a question that came

[3:28:28] out about the sag.

[3:28:31] There was no staging pay. If you look at

[3:28:33] the budget, her pay was increased from

[3:28:36] 23 and 24. It was increased from 24 to

[3:28:39] 25. It doesn't show an increase from 25

[3:28:41] to 26 because the union contract has not

[3:28:44] been settled.

[3:28:46] So, and

[3:28:48] that same paper would go across the

[3:28:50] board to all 37 members, even the

[3:28:52] streets, parks, water, sewer. So, um

[3:28:56] that's why we've seen that where it

[3:28:58] didn't move from the previous year

[3:29:00] because

[3:29:01] expires this year instead of

[3:29:07] » sorry

[3:29:08] I say that stag kind of reflected I

[3:29:10] don't we don't see the adopted bills

[3:29:12] from 23 24 but splitting that across the

[3:29:15] number of individuals not content that

[3:29:18] margin

[3:29:18] >> in the cleaners

[3:29:19] >> yes

[3:29:23] » cleaner on page 27 shows 256 bills and

[3:29:28] proposed 26

[3:29:30] six bills A6221

[3:29:34] cleaners

[3:29:35] >> the bills my question was or not my

[3:29:38] comment was 23.4 four it doesn't

[3:29:42] allocate it doesn't or identify how many

[3:29:45] bills so that divide across like a

[3:29:48] number marginal

[3:29:51] I don't I don't put the spreadsheet

[3:29:54] together but I could tell you that the

[3:29:56] same bills were there in 22 23 24 25

[3:30:01] there 26 the number of cleaners has to

[3:30:04] change

[3:30:05] >> great circle

[3:30:08] 23 to

[3:30:10] do the math. $15,000 divided across six

[3:30:14] people and we identify how technical

[3:30:16] they play in the sleep. Well, they're

[3:30:18] there, but sometimes they leave, we have

[3:30:21] to refill. So, there's going to be

[3:30:22] periods where there's no no salary to

[3:30:24] them. Those are just actual amounts from

[3:30:28] the 23 24 previous budgets

[3:30:36] or whatever was budgeted for 243.

[3:30:39] So that could be someone moving in like

[3:30:40] Paul and situated

[3:30:43] in if somebody vacated the position it

[3:30:47] for a few months the you know the annual

[3:30:50] salary the extended would be different

[3:30:52] if somebody stayed in that position for

[3:30:54] the full year it would be because all

[3:30:57] those positions are the exact same

[3:30:59] there's no steps there it's it's a flat

[3:31:01] rate

[3:31:06] » ahead please

[3:31:08] >> excuse on a 162200 for the supervisor

[3:31:12] building. There's a significant raise

[3:31:13] there

[3:31:18] from 75. Um he responds to a lot of

[3:31:23] calls around the clock at night

[3:31:27] golf

[3:31:30] um

[3:31:32] bureau service.

[3:31:36] So then who does the stipen go to? St.

[3:31:45] » And then we're um uh proposing a over

[3:31:49] about a $66,000 raise.

[3:31:51] >> 66,000

[3:32:03] » work.

[3:32:06] Any other question for this department?

[3:32:11] Okay, seeing none, we'll move to

[3:32:16] page 47.

[3:32:19] >> Bottom section.

[3:32:21] Service.

[3:32:23] >> I'm sorry, you said 47.

[3:32:25] >> 47.

[3:32:27] >> Thank you.

[3:32:32] The public service administration

[3:32:34] increased by 84%

[3:32:36] approximately 3,000 329,000

[3:32:40] is uh approximately $26,000 increase

[3:32:47] for street administration. Um

[3:32:54] » we still have increased by half a

[3:32:56] person. Okay. Manager

[3:33:00] um

[3:33:03] There was 3.5 last year. There's four

[3:33:05] this year. Um.5

[3:33:25] » so street department manager is.5.

[3:33:28] >> The IPS. Oh, I see.

[3:33:32] >> The PSA increase

[3:33:35] that increase for the civil service

[3:33:37] employees.

[3:33:38] >> Gotcha.

[3:33:40] >> So, going back to the street maintenance

[3:33:42] crew leader, the increases based on

[3:33:46] >> Yeah. their crew leaders are also CSA.

[3:33:50] So, those are other than the street

[3:33:52] department manager

[3:33:54] that is that's management obviously. So,

[3:33:56] the crew leaders are contractual. So

[3:33:59] it's the IPS.

[3:34:00] >> Okay. Yeah.

[3:34:03] Any other questions? Go ahead.

[3:34:05] >> So

[3:34:07] 85010

[3:34:10] those

[3:34:12] you're saying that like it's like

[3:34:14] $8,000.

[3:34:15] >> They're CSA. Yes.

[3:34:16] >> Those raises are steps and all that.

[3:34:19] >> Those are contractual. Those are the CSA

[3:34:21] raises.

[3:34:23] There are also steps involved. I don't

[3:34:25] know what step

[3:34:32] [Music]

[3:34:34] number

[3:34:39] » I think it was explained to when we were

[3:34:40] doing or somebody same thing it's it's

[3:34:44] contractable

[3:34:50] » yeah so they received in 25 they

[3:34:53] received retro

[3:34:56] New South

[3:34:58] that doesn't reflect what was adopted.

[3:35:07] » Okay. We move to PH 40th

[3:35:10] >> and that is

[3:35:18] » we did eliminate two AR positions out of

[3:35:21] the uh B51 pen line. Um there were two

[3:35:25] AR positions in there last year. They

[3:35:27] were pink. Um one is now deleted. home.

[3:35:32] So those two have been removed them for

[3:35:36] cost measures.

[3:35:37] >> They're vacant anyway.

[3:35:38] >> They were vacant anyway.

[3:35:40] >> Nobody's been displaced. Okay.

[3:35:43] >> Thank you.

[3:35:48] » Any questions regarding the section?

[3:35:52] >> Go ahead.

[3:35:54] >> Uh just from my knowledge, are there any

[3:35:56] differences pay salaries for

[3:35:59] SNAP and street? ask is just is there

[3:36:02] any value in merging those two

[3:36:09] which is equivalent there across the

[3:36:12] board no matter where you are map parks

[3:36:18] it's all the one title it's all the

[3:36:20] exact same Overall

[3:36:32] total street maintenance budget did come

[3:36:33] down.

[3:36:40] » Any other questions? We'll move to the

[3:36:42] bottom of page 49.

[3:36:45] This mechanic equipment garage

[3:36:50] section for the day 5132 increased by

[3:36:52] 5.72%.

[3:37:00] Fleet manager. We put in an assistant

[3:37:02] fleet manager. Um

[3:37:04] we picked up a lot of equipment down

[3:37:06] there. We have a lot of vehicles that we

[3:37:08] take care of. Um and we need a couple

[3:37:13] more

[3:37:14] the management of the denomin

[3:37:24] workers comp. Um,

[3:37:27] one is still out. Just came back in

[3:37:32] last month. So, one will be out almost a

[3:37:35] year at the end of game.

[3:37:40] It's very difficult to maintain and keep

[3:37:42] up with our sleek. um so many people out

[3:37:48] our current fleet manager um is in there

[3:37:53] turning wrenches um sorry to keep up

[3:37:55] with the daily reports and stuff when

[3:37:57] you're actually in a bay um turning

[3:37:59] wrenches. So um the assistant fleet

[3:38:02] manager so we are looking to put the

[3:38:05] fleet manager back in keep an assistant

[3:38:06] fleet manager um

[3:38:10] overall again the budget came up also

[3:38:13] because of that extra position but it's

[3:38:15] well needed it's critical value

[3:38:20] we don't have to tell you how many waste

[3:38:21] trucks we have how many gun trucks and

[3:38:23] then getting we already started getting

[3:38:25] the the trucks ready for win start a

[3:38:28] couple months in advance getting the

[3:38:29] files

[3:38:30] any better

[3:38:34] » for this department. Um, do we have any

[3:38:36] intergovernmental cooperation with the

[3:38:38] county?

[3:38:39] >> Yes, we can stand up to the county as we

[3:38:42] have done this before. Um, but we are

[3:38:45] saving money by doing a little bit more

[3:38:46] in house. Um, other departments, PD uses

[3:38:50] the county a little bit more frequently

[3:38:51] than we do. Um, there's a lot of things

[3:38:54] that we'll send to the county that, you

[3:38:56] know, they couldn't perform and then it

[3:38:57] goes out to a third party. So we just

[3:39:00] lose that piece of equipment for a

[3:39:02] longer period of time because it goes

[3:39:03] from us to them. We've evaluated it's

[3:39:06] over their skills and then it goes to

[3:39:07] somebody else. So we we evaluate now if

[3:39:10] we can't do it we're going to send it to

[3:39:12] third party us.

[3:39:14] >> I'm trying to recall last year when you

[3:39:16] were doing this review I did mention

[3:39:17] about keeping a lot of house

[3:39:20] >> and that's why you were trying to back

[3:39:22] this department

[3:39:23] >> and we put an extra mechanic on last

[3:39:24] year off

[3:39:26] >> he's not been able to off because muscle

[3:39:29] you been out to me on the day they

[3:39:30] shift. So I have not been able to move

[3:39:33] somebody to do some of the what I would

[3:39:35] call when you approved it last year the

[3:39:38] basic stuff like your oil changes tire

[3:39:41] changes and things like that and if we

[3:39:44] had a full staff and they also know that

[3:39:47] when I can get back to full staff

[3:39:49] somebody will go to that meeting ship

[3:39:51] right now in all last year this past

[3:39:53] year having two people off for almost a

[3:39:55] year it would

[3:39:58] >> it would devastate us on day times we

[3:40:00] would get things stuck. So, it wasn't um

[3:40:02] wasn't feasible yet. Still looking

[3:40:04] forward to it, but until we get a full

[3:40:07] staff and everybody back off,

[3:40:12] one individual stays in base.

[3:40:17] » How much how much of that is that the

[3:40:21] two staff of work? How much of that is

[3:40:25] still going to the county in terms of

[3:40:27] like

[3:40:29] >> we could either send a third party

[3:40:32] the county you know we we still get you

[3:40:34] know we send something there and they

[3:40:36] can fix it but we've been doing almost

[3:40:39] of it in house.

[3:40:41] >> So in terms of the police can can we

[3:40:43] take those I mean some or is that

[3:40:46] >> the goal is too much? The goal last year

[3:40:48] was the um the when we came to go on a

[3:40:51] night shift that we could do some of the

[3:40:53] basic stuff for some of the police

[3:40:54] vehicles

[3:40:55] >> um you know they were not being used to

[3:40:58] shal

[3:41:06] you save some money by doing it because

[3:41:09] there it's some of this more basic

[3:41:11] maintenance

[3:41:12] >> um but again um I've got to get the

[3:41:16] mechanical

[3:41:17] back and working before we can do that.

[3:41:22] » Does this look like a long-term work?

[3:41:26] >> Um,

[3:41:29] I think, you know, there's there's

[3:41:31] things that can be addressed after one

[3:41:33] year, but again, um, there's there

[3:41:37] things that can be done, but I come back

[3:41:40] before it reaches that one year mark.

[3:41:45] You have two people out.

[3:41:47] >> One just came back.

[3:41:48] >> One came back. Now there's just one

[3:41:50] person.

[3:41:52] >> All right. So, and that person that just

[3:41:54] came back is gone for

[3:41:58] >> since last November.

[3:41:59] >> Last.

[3:42:00] >> Wow. So, now that you have them back,

[3:42:03] >> we have one back.

[3:42:04] >> One back. Now that you have that one

[3:42:06] back that we still can't move that back

[3:42:09] person over

[3:42:09] >> now we're preparing all our plows and

[3:42:12] stuff for win. So it's it's

[3:42:14] >> hectic

[3:42:17] go down you know the whole idea was you

[3:42:20] know he's he's grown he's become

[3:42:25] again

[3:42:28] we're looking to just do like an oiler

[3:42:30] basic stuff because we were short he's

[3:42:33] grown considerably within the shop and

[3:42:36] able to do a lot more than you know we

[3:42:39] would have had to

[3:42:42] so Any

[3:42:47] other question? I know the reason why I

[3:42:49] ask the question because I know last

[3:42:50] year just because you want you know

[3:42:53] Spanish this apartment when it was it

[3:42:56] was double size so many years.

[3:42:59] >> Two people.

[3:43:00] >> Yeah.

[3:43:02] Any any uh any good

[3:43:05] hope uh hope for the better.

[3:43:08] Okay. Any other question?

[3:43:10] We'll move to page 51. And there's one.

[3:43:16] >> You got to be careful.

[3:43:24] » It's not budget obviously. We know what

[3:43:27] it's more. It's grown slightly and

[3:43:29] that's really to accommodate a couple

[3:43:31] things is our fees for services for

[3:43:33] outside services we increased by

[3:43:35] $25,000.

[3:43:37] Um and the road materials masonary that

[3:43:40] is really our salt that we buy um and

[3:43:43] they've increased that by um $30,000.

[3:43:47] Um there was a little bit for tools and

[3:43:50] hardware um just for some equipment

[3:43:52] stuff in the shop.

[3:43:57] Middle increase. We all hope that snow

[3:44:00] is light but mother nature

[3:44:05] grow nice.

[3:44:07] Yeah,

[3:44:09] >> we're going to knock on wood on that

[3:44:10] one.

[3:44:12] >> Any questions? Go ahead, please. Just uh

[3:44:15] quickly around like how it seems like we

[3:44:18] are outsourcing a lot of that snow

[3:44:20] removal stuff like is that is there a

[3:44:22] reason why we

[3:44:23] >> we've been consistent with um the

[3:44:25] contractors going back to even caring?

[3:44:30] It's always been the same.

[3:44:32] >> Yeah. Sure. So what I'm saying is like

[3:44:34] but it's we're outsourcing a good amount

[3:44:37] of it though, right? Like we like they

[3:44:38] have more routes than than we have.

[3:44:40] Correct. For snow removal.

[3:44:42] >> I don't say they have more. They have

[3:44:44] certain areas that they do.

[3:44:46] >> Um some are congested areas like

[3:44:48] Hamilton and the loaders are doing in

[3:44:50] there. Um Woodlon area they stage their

[3:44:54] loaders in different parts of the city.

[3:44:55] So they're ready for us. Their fuel

[3:44:58] tanks are there. So they fill up

[3:44:59] themselves right there. Um

[3:45:02] And you know they're they're contracted

[3:45:05] with us for emergencies only. And you

[3:45:08] know our staff is still

[3:45:12] if they want to come in

[3:45:14] >> do they still maintain the same

[3:45:19] » three in or something

[3:45:22] come in?

[3:45:23] >> General come in. Okay.

[3:45:26] You know, last year uh wasn't a bad bad

[3:45:29] year for snow, but the complaints were

[3:45:31] minimal. Um we get, you know, get the

[3:45:33] subcontractors out early, 3 in or we

[3:45:38] watch the weather, you know, for at 2

[3:45:39] and a half inches. We know it's not

[3:45:41] going to stop for the next five hours.

[3:45:42] They're called, they get mobilized. Um

[3:45:45] and again, they don't um take anything

[3:45:48] away from our staff. Our staff is, you

[3:45:51] know, we never have enough of our own

[3:45:53] staff. Okay. They'll come in, they work,

[3:45:55] but they do get tired. They got to go

[3:45:56] home, driving big trucks.

[3:45:58] >> Um, you know, because of safety issues.

[3:46:01] So, but again, overtime is not

[3:46:04] mandatory,

[3:46:06] >> right?

[3:46:07] >> And, um, we do have struggle sometimes

[3:46:11] over time. Last year's first storm was

[3:46:14] Thanksgiving.

[3:46:16] Not a lot of people want to leave the

[3:46:17] family at Thanksgiving. So,

[3:46:20] >> I think also the additional cost of

[3:46:22] maintaining 15

[3:46:25] trucks would be taxing on the city. You

[3:46:28] know, the government's trucks now are

[3:46:30] costing us three and a quarter of these

[3:46:32] new uh trucks. But the new technology

[3:46:36] to, you know, limit the amount of salt

[3:46:38] that goes on the roads and we're talking

[3:46:42] close to half million dollars for those

[3:46:44] quite

[3:46:46] >> a maintain

[3:46:46] >> and then maintain

[3:46:49] trucks on

[3:46:51] >> so it's cost effective. Yeah.

[3:46:54] >> Is it based cost effective based on

[3:46:55] machinery or the past staff capacity or

[3:46:58] kind of

[3:46:59] >> everything? It's just it's just total

[3:47:01] cost package to buy the machine.

[3:47:04] Some of these machines machines will

[3:47:05] just sit all summer

[3:47:07] >> where pay but that service has paid off

[3:47:10] and then they do run when they break

[3:47:12] down come and get repaired. Um, so

[3:47:15] >> yes, you look at, you know, the the two,

[3:47:18] you know, 250 275,000 we budget for the storm for the whole year for,

[3:47:23] you know, a private contractor.

[3:47:25] >> That's like a 500.

[3:47:30] » I have to say when we discussed this

[3:47:32] couple years ago at this to help, okay,

[3:47:35] there were so many companies

[3:47:41] and that's the service added. It it

[3:47:44] really helped and I have to commend you

[3:47:46] and your team

[3:47:47] >> because our complaint has dropped

[3:47:50] significantly

[3:47:51] of people not getting their street well.

[3:47:53] But thank you.

[3:47:55] It's good that we have this there and

[3:47:57] it's available at your disposal to make

[3:48:00] sure that our streets are are clean.

[3:48:06] » Any other questions regarding this?

[3:48:08] >> No.

[3:48:09] >> Okay. We will move to page

[3:48:14] 52

[3:48:16] parts maintenance.

[3:48:28] He's

[3:48:33] back at the table.

[3:48:37] When last you were here,

[3:48:40] >> yeah, well,

[3:48:44] thank you.

[3:48:47] >> Maintenance A710Ere%

[3:48:52] that's only an increase of $19,511.

[3:48:58] season.

[3:49:01] » You want to give us an overview? Tell us

[3:49:03] what's happening. Tell us the good

[3:49:05] things are happening over there and the

[3:49:07] things that we need to know to improve

[3:49:08] it.

[3:49:09] >> How many things major change we made in

[3:49:11] A7100?

[3:49:13] We have our senior troopers.

[3:49:16] >> That was one of the questions that came

[3:49:17] up.

[3:49:19] >> That was we had a senior troomer. He

[3:49:21] actually comp.

[3:49:25] who went to school, got himself

[3:49:27] certified, and came back, which serves a

[3:49:29] great uh great asset to the city's

[3:49:32] connected. He's able to go out and

[3:49:33] identify. He's not a dead end disease.

[3:49:36] He's fully certified by New York State.

[3:49:38] It's fantastic. There's no question

[3:49:40] about anymore. We've made the right call

[3:49:42] on a tree.

[3:49:43] >> And we were and we were paying an

[3:49:46] outside consultant through development

[3:49:48] >> up to $80,000 a year just to be our

[3:49:51] arborist. Now we have a senior tree

[3:49:53] chairman who is in our works and it goes

[3:49:56] back to um

[3:49:59] retaining good people.

[3:50:02] >> So do we have the equipment to help them

[3:50:06] harbor the knowledge of trees and it

[3:50:09] lets us know what type of tree you know

[3:50:11] plant tree comes down on the edge of the

[3:50:13] road. Sometimes people plant trees that

[3:50:15] really are too big to put on the edge of

[3:50:17] the road. He makes recommendations to

[3:50:19] Billy myself what trees should be

[3:50:21] planted there. He's evaluating the trees

[3:50:24] in the past. We would you know we would

[3:50:26] have the arousers come in that we were

[3:50:28] sort of subcontracting with

[3:50:31] they would look at the tree and tell him

[3:50:32] if it was dead we would get the bill for

[3:50:35] his call. We were getting build for you

[3:50:37] know almost like a wire in 15 minute

[3:50:40] intervals if he was email or anything.

[3:50:42] So what we did is this gentleman went to

[3:50:45] school, took a state exam, got certified

[3:50:48] and we really want to retain him because

[3:50:51] he is an asset now.

[3:50:53] >> We're not paying somebody else to come

[3:50:54] in and do this job on top of paying him

[3:50:56] as a

[3:50:59] >> so so what whatever recommendation is

[3:51:01] made to you, you have the equipment to

[3:51:05] go and take down the

[3:51:06] >> Oh,

[3:51:08] yes. He's an also fighter. So he's very

[3:51:11] experienced in the in the bucket truck.

[3:51:13] He's a climber.

[3:51:14] >> He's

[3:51:20] actually he's been helping

[3:51:23] Jan development. He'll come out and he

[3:51:25] can tell you what trees are, what

[3:51:27] species you put along, streets to escape

[3:51:29] and stuff.

[3:51:31] >> We are seeing the savings down

[3:51:33] using somebody that was being

[3:51:35] subcontracted to

[3:51:38] >> questions. Go ahead, please.

[3:51:41] >> Um, definitely someone that does not

[3:51:43] grow or have that understand I think not

[3:51:46] how much science goes into it. Um, but

[3:51:49] in walking the streets there is a very

[3:51:53] direct need that evaluations came from

[3:51:56] it. Is that something this individual

[3:51:57] would be able to is it a true study or

[3:52:00] there was a tree study a while back ago

[3:52:02] and he does on people who call with you

[3:52:05] know problems with the tree or you know

[3:52:07] tops of them dead. I mean, we have a lot

[3:52:09] of the large silver oak trees that

[3:52:12] they've just got to the end of their

[3:52:14] life.

[3:52:16] They've got to the end of their life.

[3:52:19] >> And he goes up, evaluates, he tells us

[3:52:21] that the tree is comes out and if he

[3:52:25] handles the tree, he takes it down.

[3:52:27] There are some trees that we can't,

[3:52:28] whether they're too big, we need

[3:52:29] praying. And then, you know, we

[3:52:31] establish a list, it's up to bid, you

[3:52:35] may put four white trees on it and do a

[3:52:36] bid. Um, so we have an agreement with

[3:52:40] National Grid. If there's tree that's

[3:52:42] involved with wires, National Grid comes

[3:52:45] evaluates it, they'll take it down on

[3:52:47] the wires and we do the cleanup. So, um,

[3:52:50] it's that program is it's come a long

[3:52:54] way. help in the city.

[3:52:58] >> When I came back on board last fall, we

[3:53:00] had I met with this gentleman that stole

[3:53:02] our trees and we set a program to start

[3:53:05] in the winter time and he fell through

[3:53:07] the ice fishing in January. So, the

[3:53:09] whole program went backwards by about 6

[3:53:11] months. So, he just came back in June

[3:53:13] and what was it? May when we hired the other tree trimmer.

[3:53:17] >> Uh the not the same.

[3:53:19] >> Yeah. So, we hired the other tree

[3:53:21] trimmer. So, we're about to get we just

[3:53:22] got the kid fully trained. We got them

[3:53:24] ready to go. So, we're about to come

[3:53:25] back up again with a full program of

[3:53:27] evaluating street by street by street.

[3:53:28] We're going neighbor by neighborhood,

[3:53:30] determining where our complaints were,

[3:53:32] what was coming in. Obviously, quick

[3:53:33] fix, looking, evaluating, setting them

[3:53:35] up, and then going into the

[3:53:36] neighborhoods and removing trees.

[3:53:40] >> I'd just like to add that we have two

[3:53:42] tree guys in the entire city.

[3:53:46] >> We have a lot of taxing on these

[3:53:49] gentlemen. One of one of the problems we

[3:53:51] have is we have two tree guys, but we

[3:53:53] only have seven people in the parks

[3:53:54] department. So when we have to do monic

[3:53:57] tree jobs, something has to stop. We

[3:53:58] have to either stop doing mowing or

[3:54:00] doing maintenance somewhere because we

[3:54:01] have to we have to fully staff that tree

[3:54:04] crew where we have to have flags. We

[3:54:06] have to have blind men. It's a whole

[3:54:08] complicated thing. So it's a

[3:54:10] >> they come in at night during all the

[3:54:12] storms and the

[3:54:13] >> we trees trees come down. I give I I h

[3:54:18] appreciate for these guys the the work

[3:54:20] that they're doing every day for us.

[3:54:25] » So um we never with all the trees that

[3:54:29] we never ever call outside company ever

[3:54:32] to help us with that.

[3:54:34] >> There are trees like I we said a few

[3:54:36] minutes ago there are trees that are

[3:54:38] just they need a CR you know where

[3:54:42] they're sitting or in their house you

[3:54:44] know um he can't take you down. He's

[3:54:47] very honest. He says, "I can't." Then we

[3:54:48] do, you know, we establish a list. We do

[3:54:52] send that out. Usually there's six to

[3:54:54] seven companies. They we mark the

[3:54:56] treats. They go out, look at them, they

[3:54:57] send the price in, um, and they'll do

[3:55:00] it.

[3:55:02] There are just some that are beyond our

[3:55:05] capabilities,

[3:55:07] >> but we're still saving money because

[3:55:09] instead of the initial cost for somebody

[3:55:11] to go out identify, he's in house doing

[3:55:13] that now. Well, also our response time,

[3:55:16] especially at night when we have major

[3:55:17] storms, uh depending on our loads are

[3:55:19] blocked. If we're tying up policing

[3:55:21] fire, we have a major tree down, we

[3:55:23] respond with our proof there right away.

[3:55:28] » Can you touch on

[3:55:31] line 120, part-time seasonal salary?

[3:55:34] It's almost um doubling up 20 25

[3:55:41] >> 133

[3:55:44] It's 52 bott,000.

[3:55:55] There's two line items in staff when we

[3:55:57] did it.

[3:55:58] >> One was moved over because what we were

[3:56:00] trying to do is for some reason the

[3:56:03] season were all lumped together in

[3:56:04] staff. So they're all getting paid and

[3:56:07] what we're trying to do is put the cost

[3:56:09] where the costs go st. So that didn't

[3:56:13] that came up but it also got moved out

[3:56:15] of snap. So if you go back to the snap

[3:56:18] object

[3:56:29] [Music]

[3:56:37] » page 55

[3:56:42] » management it's um

[3:56:45] 1621 21 had labor sleep 175,000

[3:56:50] >> then we had labor temporary 70,000 if

[3:56:54] you look we reduced the labor season

[3:56:57] from 175 to 156 but we removed the 70

[3:57:00] and moved it to because what we're

[3:57:03] looking at is Bill and I spoke how many

[3:57:06] people he uses on a regular basis as

[3:57:08] seasonal in the park for roughly how

[3:57:11] long a period to cover summer and into

[3:57:13] the fall and then and allocated those

[3:57:16] seasonals down into parks. So we got

[3:57:18] moved from one put together.

[3:57:22] What allows us to do is when we actually

[3:57:24] start to move forward with more trees, I

[3:57:26] can remove my permanent people, put them

[3:57:27] on the tree. So I'm more confident that

[3:57:29] I can put them on the trees and they're

[3:57:31] going to be safe and use the seasonal

[3:57:32] people probably do the mundane things in

[3:57:35] the park that we have.

[3:57:39] » PL to show the people where they work.

[3:57:43] Um so there are two significant raises

[3:57:46] also on the set of A71.

[3:57:49] Um the park supervisor

[3:57:55] is CSA. So it's going to follow the same

[3:57:57] line as that and

[3:58:01] >> the tree trimmer is because he's now an

[3:58:03] arborist.

[3:58:05] Well, the tree

[3:58:08] >> there was error I think in the past if

[3:58:10] you look at the old salaries the tree

[3:58:12] was making

[3:58:14] >> I think was it dollar something more

[3:58:19] >> than the so you know

[3:58:21] >> what

[3:58:21] >> than the

[3:58:23] >> so he's cutting trees for a dollar more

[3:58:25] an hour and you have to keep somebody

[3:58:28] there who cut trees and gone at night

[3:58:30] for an hour they'll just go back to

[3:58:33] help.

[3:58:35] It's just one of these items that the pay wasn't right for the the job and

[3:58:41] it somehow that's how it was done and

[3:58:44] you know

[3:58:47] you want to rectify it if you'd like to

[3:58:49] rectify it

[3:58:52] but he's a tree trimmer

[3:58:54] and he also maintains his um CDL so he

[3:58:58] also has the CDL like everybody else but

[3:59:01] he's not trim for a

[3:59:06] is responsible for equipment

[3:59:07] maintenance. He makes sure his blades

[3:59:08] are sharpened. He keeps his blade

[3:59:10] sharpened. He takes care of his

[3:59:11] equipment. He knows how to bloom truck.

[3:59:14] They run they run stump grinder piece of

[3:59:17] equipment on the um you know

[3:59:20] the chipper on the back of the truck to

[3:59:22] you know put all the locks in. It's a

[3:59:24] dangerous job.

[3:59:31] » Uh 871 and 120 that part one the year to

[3:59:35] date that's 30,000

[3:59:37] you can identify how busy seasons are

[3:59:40] the gap on that well again the year

[3:59:44] parks you have to go back and look and

[3:59:46] see what was being spent in SN

[3:59:52] question for parks

[3:59:54] seeing none of the next page

[3:59:58] pools maintainance

[4:00:04] Maintenance by 9.24%.

[4:00:33] again

[4:00:35] helping with chemicals um moving

[4:00:38] chemicals around our shelves there. Um

[4:00:41] so the the pool maintenance equipment um

[4:00:45] that item there came down PS maint

[4:00:50] um where we've seen our increases is in

[4:00:53] our fees for services. weekend

[4:00:55] anticipated, you know, a rate increase

[4:00:57] from Boys and Girls Club to do all the

[4:00:59] lifeguarding. Again, their salaries are

[4:01:01] going to go up. So, we did increase that

[4:01:04] slightly from 202500 to 209 588. Um

[4:01:09] supplies um slightly up 1750 to 2250. Um

[4:01:14] closing and direct bids, we did drop

[4:01:16] repairs uh 5,500.

[4:01:19] Um,

[4:01:22] you know, overtime

[4:01:25] question for overtime.

[4:01:30] » And the repairs every year on some of

[4:01:32] the pools, nothing new, but the pools,

[4:01:35] the health department has us co. Now,

[4:01:38] this year, we had some paint left from

[4:01:39] last year, so we could spend as much

[4:01:41] because there was some of the um

[4:01:42] rubberized paint um that our painter did

[4:01:45] the the pools with. So, um the paint

[4:01:48] will come out of that that paint. I

[4:01:50] think the last time to go was around

[4:01:52] $15,000.

[4:01:54] Um and then it covers tile work and it

[4:01:57] also covers every year at least we have

[4:01:59] to have somebody come in and um certify

[4:02:02] the

[4:02:03] um the lifts um for the handicap lifts.

[4:02:07] Usually maintenance on those company.

[4:02:10] So, it's not just one pool. It's just

[4:02:13] Yeah, it's black and bush. front street

[4:02:17] is Central Park.

[4:02:19] >> So, can you give us a recap of the

[4:02:22] Central Park in terms of the changes

[4:02:24] that was recently adopted in terms of

[4:02:26] the attendance last year? I know we had

[4:02:28] open to everybody this year. We kind of

[4:02:30] cut it back to resident with with a

[4:02:33] little bit of leeway in terms of who can

[4:02:35] come.

[4:02:36] >> Can you give us a snapshot of what

[4:02:38] happened? How is it? Did it better?

[4:02:40] It was uh the first week was really

[4:02:42] tough because people didn't really

[4:02:43] understand the changes that took place.

[4:02:45] We we've seen a lot of people come out a

[4:02:46] lot a lot of people if you look at your

[4:02:49] driver's license says connectity on it.

[4:02:51] We don't go by what's connected by the

[4:02:53] way street business. A lot of people

[4:02:55] don't understand that for mailing

[4:02:56] purposes. The first four or five days I

[4:02:58] actually stayed up. I worked the gate up

[4:03:00] there with with our people and we

[4:03:02] probably turned away 100 to 120 people a

[4:03:04] day that were from Miss Una but we

[4:03:08] didn't have line disconnect any

[4:03:10] residents standing outside full looking

[4:03:11] in while residents from other

[4:03:13] communities were so it actually worked

[4:03:15] some of the people from outside our

[4:03:16] community were were a little iate with

[4:03:18] us but after a while they understood and

[4:03:20] then the scan people were very happy

[4:03:22] because they got in the pool I don't

[4:03:23] know how many came up said I stood

[4:03:25] outside last year for two hours to get

[4:03:26] in this pool but he can't put a front

[4:03:28] water and this unit for swimming or

[4:03:30] pool. So, it worked pretty good. It was

[4:03:33] It worked out really good. And one of

[4:03:35] the benefits we had with the school, our

[4:03:37] arrangement with the school district was

[4:03:38] really good this year. There was even

[4:03:40] better security people up there. We had

[4:03:42] some issues like the first week till the

[4:03:44] kids got acclimated that we actually had

[4:03:46] security at that point there.

[4:03:48] >> It was good because the security people

[4:03:49] knew the children had little issues in

[4:03:53] the school. They knew they knew who they

[4:03:55] were already and the security people

[4:03:57] knew who they were. so that right away

[4:03:58] they'd rather talk to him right away. So

[4:03:59] it worked out really good.

[4:04:01] >> What would you change or improve into

[4:04:04] the next year? For example,

[4:04:08] » one of the biggest problems we had is

[4:04:10] people and the hygiene of their children

[4:04:12] that would go down call a code brown.

[4:04:16] That's that was a major problem that

[4:04:19] happened a few times. At one time it was

[4:04:20] really big. They had a call. We had

[4:04:21] called me care. We had we had actual

[4:04:24] post for 24 hours circulated,

[4:04:28] >> you know, trying to get and it's posted

[4:04:30] on all signs. It tells people that you

[4:04:32] must wear the proper swimwear when

[4:04:34] you're in the pool and

[4:04:37] >> expensive too.

[4:04:40] >> But how how would you address that in

[4:04:42] the future?

[4:04:47] » I think maybe we have to adjust the

[4:04:49] parents. that they're dressing up. They

[4:04:51] can with their children, explain to them

[4:04:52] that they have to stay on top of that

[4:04:53] because it causes a problem for the

[4:04:55] whole pool. One of those not a bunch if

[4:04:58] it happens in the baby pool because

[4:05:00] that's an isolated pool that that shuts

[4:05:02] down. That's fine. But when it happens

[4:05:04] in the big pool that the whole

[4:05:11] tested, everybody's going to be out of

[4:05:13] it.

[4:05:15] >> So, what is currently there? your

[4:05:17] comfort moving into next year with those

[4:05:20] rules.

[4:05:21] >> Yeah, I think the rules are good. I

[4:05:22] think everything that was put in place

[4:05:23] that we discussed back in the springtime

[4:05:25] worked out really good. I think it

[4:05:26] worked out

[4:05:29] >> and going in here too.

[4:05:31] So, you know, the people from they they

[4:05:35] know there's a little bit. So, the first

[4:05:37] year like anything the first year is

[4:05:39] it's the learning process.

[4:05:41] >> Oh, and we've made arrangements. So, we

[4:05:43] had made arrangements with we had uh one

[4:05:46] of the Catholic schools or one of the

[4:05:48] organizations we anticipated that

[4:05:51] they had a bunch of sketity kids that

[4:05:54] they identified. The problem was is they

[4:05:56] brought their uh their sher with them

[4:05:59] that weren't connectedity. We screened

[4:06:01] them. We let them they called me before.

[4:06:04] So I met them up there. We got them in

[4:06:05] regard to the pool.

[4:06:06] >> Yeah.

[4:06:06] >> So we accommodated that. That was one of

[4:06:08] the questions that everybody had brought

[4:06:09] up and we worked that out.

[4:06:12] >> Go ahead, please. Do we quack and bush

[4:06:15] on street? It's residents only as well

[4:06:17] there as correct. Not long

[4:06:21] anybody

[4:06:21] >> any just central

[4:06:25] the uh

[4:06:28] front street where people have to be you

[4:06:31] know turned up turned away.

[4:06:32] >> Thank you.

[4:06:33] >> Go ahead please.

[4:06:34] >> So the what you just explained about

[4:06:36] chat rooms because they were from a

[4:06:38] school and children were from the um

[4:06:40] from the city. Does that extend to

[4:06:42] parents who live outside the city and

[4:06:44] you can confirm that their child goes to

[4:06:45] school there?

[4:06:46] >> If they can confirm that and that's one

[4:06:48] of the thing the great part of having

[4:06:49] the school security people there. We

[4:06:50] have the school system there. I forgot

[4:06:52] what it's called in

[4:06:54] >> the safety team.

[4:06:55] >> The safety

[4:06:58] go tell you if you were connect so so

[4:07:00] you're safety school.

[4:07:02] >> Yeah. The safety team had it there. So

[4:07:04] if you came you were the stepfather and

[4:07:06] you said oh my son goes to school.

[4:07:09] >> We brought his name in said fine. at me

[4:07:11] brought them right in. We had a lot of

[4:07:13] people show up. We had people show up

[4:07:15] that claimed they were connected, but

[4:07:18] when they ran them through the system,

[4:07:19] they didn't pop up in the system and

[4:07:21] they tried to and to school safety

[4:07:22] people said, "No, they're in the school

[4:07:24] system, they will pop up in that

[4:07:25] system." So I don't want to extend this

[4:07:27] conversation because it's really

[4:07:29] something that

[4:07:31] however a child lives in you go to

[4:07:33] another school like a charter school in

[4:07:35] Albany or some place they won't show up

[4:07:37] in the system but still resident and so

[4:07:40] I don't know how that's getting handled

[4:07:42] but that's another situation that was

[4:07:44] brought forward.

[4:07:45] >> So

[4:07:47] there

[4:07:50] I don't want to I don't want to try to

[4:07:51] get you to do the whole uh figure it out

[4:07:53] thing here. I just want to be able to

[4:07:55] say those kind of things come up. So I

[4:07:57] just was wondering if there was ways to

[4:08:00] any plans for next year.

[4:08:03] >> So um there might be like some

[4:08:06] more you know extreme extenduating

[4:08:09] circumstances for maybe maybe kids but

[4:08:12] any kid that is say that you live in

[4:08:14] Skenctity and you go to a charter school

[4:08:16] in Troy or Albany or something like that

[4:08:19] you still will show up in the database.

[4:08:21] If you are a kid that goes to that lives

[4:08:24] connectity and you go to some of the

[4:08:26] private schools um

[4:08:29] well you can and still should show up in

[4:08:32] the database that might be like I said

[4:08:33] that might be a little a little more

[4:08:36] tricky but definitely charter schools

[4:08:38] there still connected these cities.

[4:08:40] >> Yeah, we're talking there was a few

[4:08:42] problems we manage that

[4:08:44] >> but some of the things we identified

[4:08:45] with people we know because what we had

[4:08:48] is we denied people access to the pool.

[4:08:50] There was people said, "Give me $10 and

[4:08:52] I'll bring you." They were doing

[4:08:56] wheels out there.

[4:09:00] » But it's really it's exceptions,

[4:09:03] remember? I mean,

[4:09:03] >> right. It's not the norm. It's just

[4:09:05] certain things that happen that like you

[4:09:07] said, Mary. Different things that we'll

[4:09:09] address as we as we move forward again

[4:09:10] next year, we'll address them. We'll

[4:09:11] look at the situations.

[4:09:16] » I was going to say briefly, you talked

[4:09:17] about those code rounds. Would you say

[4:09:18] it's more to like parents not knowing or

[4:09:22] lack ability to the resources? I was

[4:09:24] thinking

[4:09:25] >> cost of clean. Is there any thought in

[4:09:28] like hedging the bets and offering

[4:09:30] services or offering supplies?

[4:09:33] >> I'm sorry. I don't understand.

[4:09:35] >> So it cost dollars to to remedy that

[4:09:39] type of situation would have

[4:09:43] >> Oh, I saw I didn't know what you I

[4:09:44] didn't

[4:09:47] I understand. It wasn't the diaper. They

[4:09:50] were just an accident.

[4:09:53] >> Oh,

[4:09:54] >> they were probably

[4:09:58] >> they just didn't make it.

[4:09:59] >> But to Mr. Williams point in the that's

[4:10:02] a couple bucks and I don't want to speak

[4:10:05] for the school district, but there's a

[4:10:06] lot of resources that you know even

[4:10:09] through sketity shares we could stock

[4:10:11] something like that.

[4:10:13] >> But that's a really good point.

[4:10:14] >> It's cool. The

[4:10:17] t-shirts or any other pantries and

[4:10:19] >> we could do a special

[4:10:20] >> a special for the summer. That's not a

[4:10:23] bad idea. But even, you know, at the

[4:10:25] pantry, I mean, we keep some diapers.

[4:10:28] Um, it's not something that sometimes

[4:10:31] people just ask us, you know what I

[4:10:33] mean?

[4:10:34] >> Um, so we do have some diapers.

[4:10:35] >> Yeah, they're the swim diapers.

[4:10:37] >> Swimming

[4:10:39] explain what the swim diapers were

[4:10:41] because a lot of the people didn't

[4:10:42] really understand what the swim diaper

[4:10:44] was.

[4:10:44] >> It's a good idea for us to think about.

[4:10:46] We not

[4:10:49] It's a special type paper.

[4:10:51] >> Yeah,

[4:10:51] >> right. It is

[4:10:52] >> good suggestions. Something that we

[4:10:53] should look into next year

[4:10:57] >> to have that available. It's a good idea

[4:10:59] >> for hearings.

[4:11:02] >> Okay. Any other questions before we move

[4:11:04] into p

[4:11:06] 56

[4:11:08] waves administration?

[4:11:12] » I'm sorry.

[4:11:15] >> Go ahead.

[4:11:20] Oh, you want to talk capitals?

[4:11:29] » Yes, we do.

[4:11:31] >> Yes, there are.

[4:11:32] >> So, before we turn to P6,

[4:11:36] let's uh go to capital with parts

[4:11:42] >> before we let uh take out there. just

[4:11:46] low speed

[4:11:53] property management. But I'm pretty sure

[4:11:54] that I know the grounds master mower is

[4:11:57] one of the bigger mowers now to do the

[4:11:59] fields. Um it'll be the new ground park

[4:12:01] field. It will be the the ball field the

[4:12:05] C diamond field diamond. So that's the

[4:12:07] new master mower to do the bigger

[4:12:09] fields. Okay. Uh that would be in the

[4:12:11] parks and the F350 regular cab with

[4:12:16] plows, two of them. Was that both Chris?

[4:12:20] Do you remember? Was that both for parks

[4:12:22] or was one parked and one property man?

[4:12:25] >> Um

[4:12:27] both.

[4:12:27] >> Okay. So they were both parked and

[4:12:29] they're going to replace any any vehicle

[4:12:31] replaced is 10 plus years older. And I

[4:12:35] think some of these pickups go back to

[4:12:37] probably 15 or 16 years old. So they're

[4:12:42] >> the vehicles in parks are

[4:12:49] » so the bottom two were from the parks.

[4:12:51] the other ones if you want just real

[4:12:52] quick because we did property management

[4:12:55] um the rolloff truck that's the property

[4:12:57] management truck that

[4:13:01] truck is getting quite old and some

[4:13:03] rolloff boxes I think that will give us

[4:13:05] about eight boxes $45,000

[4:13:08] and the Toro with the dingle attachment

[4:13:11] is a small piece of equipment that we

[4:13:13] can go in and appear to be easier some

[4:13:16] of these um abandoned properties or

[4:13:18] properties that people have to take care

[4:13:20] rather than trying to use a weed

[4:13:21] whacker. It's a little bit beefier piece

[4:13:23] of equipment. Uh the dingo you can stand

[4:13:25] on it and cut your head. Um you know

[4:13:29] some of these properties it's it's not a

[4:13:31] long cut. It's a lot of brush

[4:13:41] » questions on this capital project.

[4:13:44] Thank you so much.

[4:13:47] >> Thank you. Thank you.

[4:13:49] We're going to go to

[4:13:55] » 56.

[4:14:03] » We hit street from big.

[4:14:05] >> Yeah, I was going to wait until we

[4:14:07] >> Yeah, that's why I did

[4:14:15] » socks.

[4:14:19] Starting with police administration.

[4:14:22] >> Yes.

[4:14:24] >> Police administration decreased by

[4:14:25] 27.04% 04% from 299,41

[4:14:29] to 218,5,000

[4:14:36] » just

[4:14:39] sorry

[4:14:42] » obviously we did the waste

[4:14:44] administration we did move some um some

[4:14:46] salaries around um help fund

[4:14:51] my back

[4:14:54] watery

[4:14:55] water waste water. So we move that

[4:14:58] outside of the one out of the waste

[4:15:01] administration budget. Um

[4:15:04] that you know actually reduced obviously

[4:15:07] the um you know the 100 million um it

[4:15:11] reduced the longevity

[4:15:14] or kind of stay the same

[4:15:18] tools and uniforms stay the same here.

[4:15:24] go down through we made some cuts almost

[4:15:27] and everything that we could. If you

[4:15:28] look at supplies, we went from 1750 to

[4:15:32] a,000 and based on looking at what we

[4:15:34] spent so far this year

[4:15:37] for next year.

[4:15:40] That would be the waste administration

[4:15:42] waste collection.

[4:15:44] No.

[4:15:48] » So you move yourself out of part of your

[4:15:51] salary administration to where?

[4:15:54] >> Water.

[4:15:55] >> All. So you all right now?

[4:15:57] >> So 5050 water.

[4:16:02] >> Okay. Um the second part is for the

[4:16:05] assistant solid waste supervisor. Is

[4:16:08] that also um

[4:16:11] traffic?

[4:16:12] >> Yeah, that's back.

[4:16:16] » Any other questions for W

[4:16:18] administration?

[4:16:21] >> See, now we'll move to W collection.

[4:16:25] >> Waste collection approximately 30%,000.

[4:16:38] The two assistants on the way

[4:16:39] supervisors are contractual. Again,

[4:16:41] there's free conditions. So again,

[4:16:45] that's a contractual through CSCA.

[4:16:48] Um labor loader,

[4:16:51] we are requesting two more in waste

[4:16:54] collection. Five last year, we're

[4:16:56] looking at seven this year. Um motor

[4:16:59] equipment operators are maintaining 15.

[4:17:01] Those are the drivers. Those are the

[4:17:03] annuals mediums and the labor loaders.

[4:17:07] on the back. Um, we rely on them to do a

[4:17:10] good job. We run 14 seasonals.

[4:17:14] Um, and we have the labor loaders.

[4:17:21] The big jump. Yeah, the big jump in

[4:17:23] season label loaders is to really pay

[4:17:25] the cost. Like we talked about, we

[4:17:27] didn't have seasons in waste. They were

[4:17:29] being pulled from staff. So, uh, there

[4:17:32] was a line headed to the 8161, which is

[4:17:35] the seasonal labor loader variance 214

[4:17:38] 396

[4:17:40] that'll reflect 14

[4:17:43] current season that we have on that

[4:17:47] >> and that we're going to see that go back

[4:17:49] to snack there

[4:17:50] >> no that's came out of snack

[4:17:52] >> oh okay

[4:17:53] >> because again it wasn't reflective of

[4:17:55] the true costs in waste

[4:17:59] >> because we were paying snap

[4:18:01] >> right okay

[4:18:04] >> so these are these show the true actual

[4:18:07] department.

[4:18:08] >> So now I know over the years we we

[4:18:11] bombarded your question as to why the

[4:18:13] vice map is so

[4:18:15] >> overloaded in all these costs,

[4:18:16] >> right? And it was just that you know

[4:18:18] they put the seasonal in one area and it

[4:18:20] was a general fund.

[4:18:23] Now what we're trying to do is put the

[4:18:25] cost into the departments that they go.

[4:18:30] >> Um

[4:18:32] so that's those are the biggest I'll

[4:18:34] take some questions.

[4:18:37] >> It was waste working hours.

[4:18:39] >> That was I think that was me.

[4:18:41] >> That's the $2 everybody in waste.

[4:18:44] >> Everybody in the waist receives $2 from

[4:18:46] the work. Um and if they come from

[4:18:48] another department for that day because

[4:18:51] you know we were short-handed, they pick

[4:18:53] up that $2.

[4:18:56] Mr. Williams.

[4:18:58] >> Yes. I ask what's the pay rate for

[4:19:00] seasons?

[4:19:01] >> Yep.

[4:19:04] Oh, damn.

[4:19:12] I guess

[4:19:14] >> I'm sure all the pockets.

[4:19:16] >> Um,

[4:19:18] right now for 2025, a labor loader is

[4:19:22] 21108. Okay,

[4:19:24] >> that's a labor and they get $2 obviously

[4:19:28] for being engaged. The seasonal 1750 and

[4:19:32] they get $2 more for being anyway

[4:19:39] » $2 at that time.

[4:19:42] >> That's across the board whether you're

[4:19:43] seasonal, whether you're if you're

[4:19:46] assigned to waste,

[4:19:48] you get the $2 more an hour. Um it's

[4:19:51] really because they're out there today

[4:19:53] in the pouring rain out there with other

[4:19:58] pullbody staff for sure. They get that

[4:20:00] $2 for the for the day's work, too.

[4:20:04] >> Yeah.

[4:20:04] >> There there's also an additional dollar

[4:20:07] if they're one man on the back of the

[4:20:10] truck versus a two man.

[4:20:14] >> That's great.

[4:20:15] >> They they have the option. It's not uh

[4:20:18] it's not mandatory, but if we run short

[4:20:20] and somebody says, "I don't mind. I'll

[4:20:21] load long." They pick up another dollar.

[4:20:24] So

[4:20:26] >> do we see that regularly

[4:20:30] one person?

[4:20:31] I know we blast here sometime we talk

[4:20:33] about

[4:20:35] stuff

[4:20:37] talking about people you know over

[4:20:41] >> you see that often

[4:20:43] >> there are some guys that you know they work hard and you know they will if

[4:20:50] I want that extra

[4:20:51] >> there's a lot of guys that actually ask

[4:20:53] for it to be alone

[4:20:56] that that want that extra dollar

[4:21:00] that's a tough

[4:21:03] It's a really tough job.

[4:21:08] » Question please.

[4:21:09] >> Is that a contract agree? That 1750 1950

[4:21:13] is that a contract agree?

[4:21:14] >> Yeah, that's the seasons are still under

[4:21:17] the under the 1037 agreement and that $2

[4:21:20] part of that agreement.

[4:21:25] It's probably the worst time to ask this

[4:21:27] being that we're going in negotiations,

[4:21:28] but like how are we situated uh in

[4:21:33] comparison to like other local

[4:21:35] municipalities over here?

[4:21:36] >> There's not a lot of local people that pick up.

[4:21:42] just different, you know, like Mosqu,

[4:21:45] they're all picking up, you know, they

[4:21:47] all

[4:21:49] >> um you know, there's not a lot of teams

[4:21:50] that actually have guys on the back of

[4:21:52] the truck anymore,

[4:21:54] >> right?

[4:21:56] >> And they are up. So,

[4:21:59] >> um I mean, you can look around.

[4:22:03] >> I was just Yeah, just

[4:22:06] >> I just went back

[4:22:08] this over and over safety.

[4:22:11] Are we still having that issue? People

[4:22:13] out.

[4:22:14] >> They're showing up with safety boots.

[4:22:15] Are they getting reimbured? And they

[4:22:16] will ring it.

[4:22:17] >> They get reimbured. The checks go up by

[4:22:19] August. Um

[4:22:24] » I don't see them wearing them.

[4:22:28] » We have some videos. We have pictures.

[4:22:30] Uh people are sending that these guys

[4:22:32] around.

[4:22:33] >> It's a tough point with

[4:22:36] >> We could send them all home and pick up

[4:22:39] the garbage.

[4:22:41] That's it is something that we need to

[4:22:43] >> we remind them they get they get their

[4:22:46] safety glasses, they get their gloves,

[4:22:48] they get their safety vests

[4:22:51] about safety boots and a while and they

[4:22:54] because they're on their feet walking

[4:22:56] down the streets all day long. Um, we

[4:22:59] can be more diligent. Um, but we

[4:23:05] >> so

[4:23:06] >> I I I don't see many honestly

[4:23:09] I don't see a lot of feet injuries,

[4:23:11] you know, twisted ankles and stuff like

[4:23:13] that. A lot of uh, you know, it's back

[4:23:16] injuries, a shoulder, it's a it's an

[4:23:18] elbow, it's they get their fingers

[4:23:20] crushed in the machine. Um, you know,

[4:23:24] that that's the injuries we've seen. And

[4:23:26] I don't want to say that I'm fighting

[4:23:29] for, you know, sneakers or boots, but

[4:23:34] it's a tough job that these guys have on

[4:23:36] their feet all day uh running around.

[4:23:41] >> Yeah. I I think that the whole idea is

[4:23:43] for them to, you know, show up show up,

[4:23:46] have a safe working environment, and be

[4:23:48] back home with their family. I I go

[4:23:51] through these boxes of of safety guys

[4:23:54] and boxes to give these guys safety, you

[4:23:58] know, because I want them wearing, you

[4:24:00] know, and

[4:24:02] you have a lot of the tough guy

[4:24:03] mentalities out there,

[4:24:07] you know, the next thing you know,

[4:24:08] they're they're gone.

[4:24:10] So there's no way to mandate that

[4:24:15] they had that horrible accident which is

[4:24:17] >> odd

[4:24:20] though.

[4:24:21] >> It is mandated. But like Paul says

[4:24:27] if we send them all home at the end of

[4:24:29] the day the garbage isn't going to get

[4:24:30] picked up. You know, it's it's a tough

[4:24:34] job. You can have to

[4:24:37] >> you can chase it and you know down the

[4:24:39] next lock and take them put them in

[4:24:41] their pocket. You know, you you can't be

[4:24:44] there.

[4:24:44] >> How would you do that?

[4:24:46] >> You can tell them every day, we want you

[4:24:48] to come in. We have to be safe. We want

[4:24:49] you to go home. Your family safe.

[4:24:51] >> Okay. But you can't be on every truck

[4:24:55] making sure they're doing exactly what

[4:24:57] you want all the time. And safety shoes

[4:24:59] is in the contract. It has to be across

[4:25:02] the board, not just waste,

[4:25:04] >> water, sewer, parks, map, streets,

[4:25:08] >> everybody. If you're And we want

[4:25:12] everybody

[4:25:14] >> and like Chris said is most of our I

[4:25:17] don't remember the last time somebody,

[4:25:19] you know, had a foot injury. It's it's

[4:25:21] obviously they hurt their back. They

[4:25:22] sprained their back, their shoulder, an

[4:25:24] elbow. Um, and

[4:25:28] we give them everything they need.

[4:25:32] So, so I imagine the safety boost is the

[4:25:36] primary functions like the steel toe

[4:25:38] type of things that we're trying to

[4:25:40] >> Yeah, they they have to have OSHA

[4:25:41] approved which can be plastic now.

[4:25:44] There's composits

[4:25:47] really cold. They have composits now.

[4:25:50] >> I was going to say like there's a lot of

[4:25:51] different

[4:25:52] >> more comfortable

[4:25:55] uh shoes now that meet the requirements.

[4:25:57] So, you would hope that, you know, they'd be able to like

[4:26:03] make some changes with that.

[4:26:04] >> Yeah, sneakers out there.

[4:26:06] >> Yeah, they do have sneakers.

[4:26:09] >> I bought a pair for myself and I wear

[4:26:16] step out some sneakers and see if they

[4:26:17] stay out.

[4:26:19] >> No, because it's one of those things

[4:26:20] that goes wrong, right?

[4:26:23] >> All right. We don't we don't want anyone

[4:26:25] to get hurt. Absolutely. We'll work at

[4:26:29] some reminder and put a couple some

[4:26:32] little bulletins and reminders to

[4:26:36] it. Overall, it's a safety concern and

[4:26:39] it's for their benefit.

[4:26:40] >> Oh, absolutely.

[4:26:42] >> And we just need to make sure that we

[4:26:43] enforce it.

[4:26:46] >> Any u question regarding waste

[4:26:49] collection?

[4:26:50] >> Okay, we're going to move to uh

[4:26:54] waste disposal.

[4:26:57] We just sold by 850%

[4:27:02] approximately 1.8 million to 1.9

[4:27:05] million.

[4:27:12] » All of that is actually right in the

[4:27:13] tipping fee. Um we do have a contract

[4:27:16] with county waste. So um you know they

[4:27:19] go up by CTI on an annual basis.

[4:27:23] fuel prices have been down, but there

[4:27:25] are escalators in there with regards to

[4:27:28] um you know fuel prices charges. Um but

[4:27:33] you know again

[4:27:35] >> it does

[4:27:36] >> based on some CPI numbers we all have a

[4:27:39] tip as well every year know the pies

[4:27:44] we're going to pay for slage disposal

[4:27:47] recycles um

[4:27:53] any questions on this

[4:27:59] » see now move waste recycling right on

[4:28:02] the bottom of page 58 to 59.

[4:28:05] >> Waste recycling increased by 15.4.4

[4:28:09] million to 1.6 million approximately

[4:28:12] that's

[4:28:16] » you just want to give us

[4:28:17] >> and again what we did is you know we

[4:28:19] split the difference on seasonals

[4:28:20] between recycling and waste because it's

[4:28:22] what we do with the two 15 and 15. So we

[4:28:26] do it with the labor loaders and we did

[4:28:27] it with the seasonals.

[4:28:30] So they sort of mirror each other with

[4:28:33] recycling

[4:28:35] with the uh the staffing

[4:28:38] and there are some vacancies in there

[4:28:39] and again we do maintain a couple

[4:28:42] vacancies because of the training

[4:28:44] program that we offer. So we have had

[4:28:48] ways we had two or three right at least

[4:28:51] two or three

[4:28:57] in the waste of

[4:29:02] » question on waste recycling.

[4:29:06] » Is there a timeline for that?

[4:29:09] >> Once they get their permit it starts to

[4:29:13] clock for 9 months. Okay.

[4:29:16] If they, you know, if they take their

[4:29:18] road test and they pass, they just

[4:29:21] resign again. If you see that they're

[4:29:23] actively trying, yes, because what we

[4:29:26] do, there's just that seasonal, they get

[4:29:29] their permit after so many um 160 hours

[4:29:33] of drive time a day. We give it to them

[4:29:35] and then we give them a little point for

[4:29:37] temporary as an incentive. We see that

[4:29:39] they're making progress. But what we

[4:29:42] don't want to do is have somebody just

[4:29:43] get to temporary stay there. We watch

[4:29:45] them build that get their license and

[4:29:49] we may recommend there.

[4:29:55] So there's instances of seasonal to

[4:29:57] labor to

[4:30:00] >> seasonal.

[4:30:02] Yeah. And then since when they get their

[4:30:05] permit, we move them into a

[4:30:08] position. And then once they get their

[4:30:10] license, then we take the test. And we

[4:30:12] have one of the trainers and workers,

[4:30:15] you know, all morning before the road

[4:30:16] test to try to ensure that he was

[4:30:19] pre-trip and everything else. And if he

[4:30:21] passes, um, you know, he's still

[4:30:24] valuable because he still need people to

[4:30:26] come to work. Have a good record, good

[4:30:28] work ethic, too.

[4:30:30] Any

[4:30:33] other questions?

[4:30:35] >> Well, the document that you provided

[4:30:39] analysis and so is this essentially

[4:30:44] revenue.

[4:30:46] >> Yeah, that

[4:30:51] that's all the revenue from year 25.

[4:30:57] Um you see the revenue access

[4:31:01] uh no legislation so I put there so it's

[4:31:05] not included

[4:31:07] expect

[4:31:11] so that numbers

[4:31:18] that

[4:31:23] there

[4:31:27] around 97,000 shortfall

[4:31:34] for 256

[4:31:38] at the bottom

[4:31:41] as commissioners

[4:31:44] benefits

[4:31:46] 26

[4:31:51] water

[4:31:55] If you look at the revenue, that's the

[4:31:57] increase of

[4:31:59] 110

[4:32:06] properties.

[4:32:09] And what

[4:32:11] the

[4:32:15] » new trash

[4:32:18] that's the new budget amount

[4:32:24] waste cost. So this debt service

[4:32:28] benefits workers compility

[4:32:46] for fuel buildings and repairs and

[4:32:49] labor.

[4:32:59] So, so the mechanical

[4:33:05] » these are only

[4:33:09] » not just back up only waste.

[4:33:16] » We put usually around 10 trucks out a

[4:33:18] day.

[4:33:24] We don't have 14 trucks out a day in um

[4:33:27] you know in other parts of LGS the

[4:33:28] street department unless there's a

[4:33:30] snowstorm. So the garbage trucks are are

[4:33:32] used heavily regularly every day. So

[4:33:36] they get a lot of wear and tear

[4:33:38] maintenance.

[4:33:44] » 2026 amount that you're showing includes

[4:33:48] the proposed increase. So that's that

[4:33:54] number.

[4:33:56] >> Thank you.

[4:34:11] » Any questions?

[4:34:13] >> Okay. You see now

[4:34:16] water pow

[4:34:30] have revenue

[4:34:32] expenditure

[4:34:41] » the revenue alliance I know you first

[4:34:47] I briefly mentioned it in the uh

[4:34:49] overview um but I can just repeat um

[4:34:52] eventually with the fee rate increases

[4:34:54] uh who went through the budget here um

[4:34:56] it's really going to affect the

[4:34:58] commercial units within the city and

[4:35:00] then outside city so the residents are

[4:35:03] not being affected by any rate increases

[4:35:06] uh

[4:35:08] and we did increase the appropriate fund

[4:35:11] balance

[4:35:13] um which reflects 400,000 is u reflects

[4:35:16] that increase which we're moving into

[4:35:18] the general fund budget to help mate

[4:35:21] that gap

[4:35:23] >> yeah revenues and expenditures within

[4:35:25] the general fund other than that

[4:35:28] basically

[4:35:34] something

[4:35:40] » and then just again it's only 5.39%

[4:35:44] increase. So for 25 it's about

[4:35:53] » that's overall

[4:35:57] distribution administration

[4:35:59] >> reservoir everything

[4:36:05] » question

[4:36:08] on the taxes that came through um in

[4:36:12] But it is the property that we have at

[4:36:15] the wfield moist road the assessed value

[4:36:18] has been reduced. So um

[4:36:22] the assumption is that those taxes will

[4:36:25] drop

[4:36:27] 550,000 or maybe less but on the safe

[4:36:30] side we probably do 550,000 because the

[4:36:33] assessment reduction.

[4:36:39] Any question?

[4:36:41] >> See now we'll move into a solar fund.

[4:36:44] Commissioner just give us

[4:36:49] quick snapshot.

[4:36:58] There's no fee increases that are

[4:37:00] biased.

[4:37:01] We did increase the appropriate tax

[4:37:03] return to 100,000. Um and we did

[4:37:07] increase the general fund transfer by

[4:37:10] another 100,000. So 2.2 million 2.3

[4:37:13] million said where's that cap?

[4:37:24] » Any question regarding the fun?

[4:37:28] >> Go ahead.

[4:37:29] >> So

[4:37:31] you said that um your

[4:37:35] down split between the store

[4:37:37] >> water and store

[4:37:38] >> and that's it.

[4:37:40] Um is there a salary increase for you on

[4:37:43] that?

[4:37:43] >> I would assume 3% or

[4:37:46] it needs to be a third from general

[4:37:49] water

[4:37:55] » should be a 3% increase.

[4:37:56] >> So this so this so what we saw in 2025

[4:37:59] was a third.

[4:38:01] >> Okay. Thank you.

[4:38:04] Any other questions?

[4:38:06] Seeing none, I think we forward

[4:38:11] everything.

[4:38:22] the where would I find the um MEO

[4:38:26] position and SNAP and the two in street

[4:38:29] maintenance that were um

[4:38:33] taken out from

[4:38:34] >> and they're in the

[4:38:36] former art

[4:38:40] street ones were formerally artific

[4:38:45] So the two of these were okay.

[4:38:48] And the one meal and snap, it's still

[4:38:51] there, right? It's just not filled.

[4:38:54] >> Well, it's it's just

[4:38:57] okay.

[4:38:59] That was my request.

[4:39:01] >> Okay. We'll move into capital projects.

[4:39:05] Uh well person

[4:39:08] collection

[4:39:20] » you said capital.

[4:39:21] >> I'm not taking out anything

[4:39:24] capital

[4:39:33] [Music]

[4:39:35] or

[4:39:39] What are we doing?

[4:39:40] >> Waste collection. Collection waste

[4:39:44] collection.

[4:39:47] » For our supervisors and two new garbage

[4:39:51] truck

[4:39:52] been trying to keep up the per year.

[4:39:56] >> Yeah.

[4:39:56] >> In place. Uh we've been buying those off

[4:39:59] the

[4:40:00] police

[4:40:11] again.

[4:40:17] » Any questions?

[4:40:20] See now we'll move to street mechanical.

[4:40:27] being available equipment. It's going to

[4:40:29] be for two regular cat pickups with plow

[4:40:32] and replace the two oldest ones in the

[4:40:33] fleet that are said everything we're

[4:40:36] replacing is 10 plus years old. Um

[4:40:38] there's two pickup trucks. A hot box

[4:40:40] truck is a 10 yard single kind of truck

[4:40:42] that keeps our laptop hot so we can you

[4:40:45] know when we start early

[4:40:49] eats it up we use it all the time makes

[4:40:52] more pl so we can do ples you know

[4:40:56] and a forklift our forklift

[4:40:59] I think

[4:41:03] for

[4:41:08] the neuros

[4:41:09] load trucks with plows, different

[4:41:12] things. It's just

[4:41:15] exceeded it.

[4:41:17] >> The note you have on here is from 1988.

[4:41:23] » I8

[4:41:25] say 198.

[4:41:26] >> Yeah.

[4:41:27] >> Wow.

[4:41:28] >> We've got our

[4:41:30] >> Yeah.

[4:41:32] >> Okay. Any question on that?

[4:41:35] >> It's like half

[4:41:38] water.

[4:41:44] I was going to ask for a utility

[4:41:46] van electrician. We bought one I think

[4:41:49] four years ago

[4:41:52] using one of the old um fire

[4:41:56] off. We've been losing for a couple

[4:41:58] years. We tried to get the last out of

[4:42:00] it and we are looking for a new utility

[4:42:02] for the electric and he travels all

[4:42:04] over. He's not just to the water.

[4:42:06] police department, fire department, all

[4:42:07] our buildings. He works throughout the

[4:42:10] city for all departments. Um

[4:42:15] water distribution repairs. That's

[4:42:16] typically $100,000 to do some main work

[4:42:19] uh or some we've been trying to do now

[4:42:21] is we call um insert tunnels. Um a lot

[4:42:25] of the valves in the city have to re

[4:42:27] replace so we have a company that can

[4:42:29] come in uh they can do it live under

[4:42:31] pressure. So we don't have to shut the

[4:42:33] maintenance down. when we shut them in

[4:42:35] down, they always jeopardize drinking

[4:42:36] another. So, they do it under pressure

[4:42:38] for us. So, it's just for general work

[4:42:40] in the in the uh in the system. The

[4:42:42] hydro excavator will replace 2016 unit.

[4:42:46] It's $595,000.

[4:42:48] They um what that is, it's a large

[4:42:50] vacuum truck which will pull the earth

[4:42:53] out of the ground by vacuum. Because of

[4:42:55] the number of utilities in the ground

[4:42:58] now, national grid and rise and

[4:43:00] everything else, it's very difficult to

[4:43:01] dig the back. So, we make the and we

[4:43:04] computers and we help damage gas lines

[4:43:07] and stuff. So, we are going to looking

[4:43:10] to replace the 2016

[4:43:13] uh valve maintenance trailer. Um what

[4:43:16] that does is as we go out and open some

[4:43:18] open our valves, exercise our valves,

[4:43:20] some of our valves take 400 turns. It

[4:43:23] takes a couple guys a long time to do

[4:43:24] 400 turns on some of these valves. So,

[4:43:26] these are electric valve box on a

[4:43:29] trailer. You hook it up and it does it

[4:43:31] automatically. It'll if it hits

[4:43:34] resistance or torque so it doesn't break

[4:43:35] it, you back it up and do it again. So,

[4:43:38] um, you know, we found that to be

[4:43:41] important. We had to break down one of

[4:43:43] the bigger mains and we had to shut down

[4:43:45] 36.

[4:43:46] >> It takes about an hour and a half just

[4:43:48] to get the valve closed. So,

[4:43:54] and then um wellfield improvements um

[4:43:57] redevelopment. We always redevelop wells

[4:43:59] based on their hours and um what they

[4:44:01] started to to reduce the volume come

[4:44:03] through the wells and then we'll start

[4:44:05] the phase two design of $950,000.

[4:44:09] So we do have some grant money out there

[4:44:11] and again I think you all know that I

[4:44:14] consult for lots of grant money received

[4:44:17] over $50 million in the last five years.

[4:44:20] So we always um chase grant money first

[4:44:25] but when these projects are we're doing

[4:44:27] these projects we get the design ready

[4:44:31] on the do uh we score better because

[4:44:35] they know the projects that we are

[4:44:37] really looking at not we're looking for

[4:44:39] the money we get the money we'll do the

[4:44:41] project these are projects that are

[4:44:43] going to you know add resiliency to the

[4:44:45] city staff back up a lot and everything

[4:44:47] else

[4:44:49] we definitely very successful getting

[4:44:51] you know a lot

[4:44:54] >> any question on

[4:44:56] capital project see

[4:45:00] sewer. Yeah. Project sewer

[4:45:06] dump truck. Uh it's replace

[4:45:10] there. But one of the dump trucks in the

[4:45:12] sewer division 300,000

[4:45:15] um compressor truck that we use

[4:45:20] for the jackhammers, air hammers. It's

[4:45:23] built into the truck. So when we're out

[4:45:25] when we firework, the air hammer's right

[4:45:26] there with us. So those are the two that

[4:45:29] would be in the what we call sanitary

[4:45:31] sewer. Um and then we have 1.25 million

[4:45:36] for water treatment plant equipment

[4:45:39] that would be like

[4:45:43] pumps uh grid system

[4:45:47] that runs 24 hours a day

[4:45:50] if it turns off.

[4:45:53] So it's just one of those little

[4:45:55] infrastructure pieces that

[4:45:58] You're always you're always putting

[4:45:59] hearts into

[4:46:04] and then the Southary pump station $1.1

[4:46:06] million

[4:46:09] and this is pump station off boulevard.

[4:46:12] It's a very old can station. Um we're

[4:46:16] starting to see development downtown

[4:46:18] area. Um

[4:46:20] not size to take some of the flow. Um

[4:46:22] it's old. All it is is a a can station.

[4:46:26] It's just got a lid on it. You have to

[4:46:27] crawl, you know, climb down the ladder.

[4:46:29] There's two pumps down the bottom of

[4:46:31] that pit. Very hard to work on. Um

[4:46:35] I've been here since 7 a.m. It's the

[4:46:38] same pump station.

[4:46:39] >> Oh my goodness.

[4:46:39] >> And the only place in there were the

[4:46:41] incoming pumps. As they walked, it's

[4:46:44] time to, you know, start to design work

[4:46:47] >> and um get a consultant on again. We

[4:46:50] will look for grant money. um there's

[4:46:52] anything available.

[4:46:57] » Any questions on capital?

[4:47:03] » See none. Thank you so much.

[4:47:07] >> Sorry.

[4:47:10] >> I mean, can I just say I think it was

[4:47:11] significant reduction from terms of your

[4:47:14] capital equipment.

[4:47:29] started

[4:47:32] we have

[4:47:38] » thank you so much

[4:47:41] any other any other business in support

[4:47:42] of finance

[4:47:44] so uh before we uh join uh before we

[4:47:47] recess our next meeting

[4:47:51] next Wednesday, October the 15th at 5:30

[4:47:53] p.m. We will go through the remaining of

[4:47:55] the budget

[4:47:58] recess finance committee until the

[4:48:00] second.

[4:48:01] >> All in favor? I thank you.

[4:48:04] >> Thank you. Great job.

[4:48:12] » It's not midnight,

[4:48:13] >> Sam. It's not one thing.

[4:48:21] I'm sorry but it feels like it

[4:48:26] though

[4:48:31] my my dogs don't respect

[4:48:38] they have needs.

2026 Schenectady City Budget Meeting, October 8, 2025

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