[0:01] Okay. Okay. Okay. Today is October 7, 2025, at 4.30 pm. I mean, it's the select board meeting to order.

[0:16] is not able to be here tonight, so I will run this video tonight as by a share.

[0:25] First order of business is we have some minutes to improve and I say that we don't have the July 3rd minutes.

[0:33] And I believe the January, so

[0:42] if you had an opportunity to review the minutes.

[0:45] Yes.

[0:46] You want me to make a motion?

[0:48] I would like to say make a motion or approval of a wedgel eye third and set a different

[0:55] life on the sole.

[0:58] Definitely.

[0:59] We got it.

[1:01] We'll go ahead and get your hair out.

[1:02] I'll set it.

[1:03] I'm there for you in the discussion.

[1:06] No.

[1:09] With that, we'll go along.

[1:11] I'll get your hair out.

[1:12] Take a look.

[1:13] And we'll go ahead and get your hair out.

[1:15] Okay, so moving on to appointments, we have a question, you know what, you want to approve

[1:21] yourself, but September 9th, once I drive them present, or we do that.

[1:25] I always do that.

[1:26] Yeah, absolutely, we do.

[1:27] Okay.

[1:27] Yeah.

[1:29] Go ahead.

[1:30] Okay.

[1:31] So moving on, we're going to appointment through all officers.

[1:35] Tonight.

[1:35] Nidalee Grant, and Miguel Varylo.

[1:41] Varylo, yellow Varylo.

[1:46] Chief Cavalty, do you like the interview so much?

[1:48] Yes, actually, I believe they're on the Zoom

[1:51] from the station.

[1:53] We've gone through with a recruitment and selection process

[1:56] and we've got two great candidates for the Academy.

[2:01] Ready to start the Academy

[2:02] and just would like them to be appointed as student officers at this.

[2:10] If I could say one thing.

[2:14] That's the most exciting part of my job when it comes to seeing new police officers

[2:18] or fire men to the municipal work.

[2:22] Not only administrative lines and things like that, but that's a different point of service.

[2:26] In today's world things are just increasing.

[2:30] And this is the future of our police department.

[2:38] yes very proud of this. So are we appointing in this control

[2:43] options? No, we're not but student objecting.

[2:47] No, we're ready to make some come back to and ask for something to be appointed as

[2:51] I get a motion to or to a point, excuse me, they go, I ran and Miguel, when we're done,

[3:02] you're real, as student office, the most, we're going to chair our second very early discussions

[3:09] of circle.

[3:11] We'll call it both young, gay, you make a lot, and more you can chair our, thank you, thank you

[3:18] guys.

[3:19] Thank you.

[3:25] Thank you.

[3:26] Thank you.

[3:29] Thank you.

[3:30] Thank you.

[3:30] So, delaying the long, I think she's a good question.

[3:36] What's the question?

[3:39] Okay.

[3:44] To tell me about the mission, is that the Zoli Viola review committee?

[3:50] Yes, that's the one.

[3:50] The Zoli Viola review committee.

[3:53] Let's get to the motion.

[3:55] So, what?

[4:01] Okay,

[4:07] so we're going to move on to an update from Nancy and also we have Sam Hartier for the high school project and I'll let them report so we'll start wherever you want.

[4:19] Any more?

[4:21] Sure.

[4:22] Thank you.

[4:23] Thank you for having me.

[4:25] I'm Santa Marta.

[4:26] We're at the high school.

[4:27] And what we requested from this slide.

[4:30] As we have from all the other five times as well.

[4:33] Is the letter of support for a grant application.

[4:38] And that's through the executive office of education.

[4:41] The Massachusetts.

[4:42] And this is a grant for CT extension.

[4:45] And it is designed for schools that are in the Massachusetts

[4:48] This is a small building, a story of pipeline in the program, which we are currently for

[4:52] building a vision reservation project.

[4:56] So it aligns nicely with our goal of trying to keep the cost of this project as long as

[5:02] it can be, and also support the programming that we need, the educational program that we

[5:07] have.

[5:08] So I sent the brand itself with a mock-up letter to Joe for a lot of back.

[5:16] I mean, if you have any questions about the grant itself, I'm happy to have them, but

[5:21] that's essentially it.

[5:24] We've asked all the towns the same question, without the same request, and we have some

[5:29] letters of support from industry partners in the community who support our CTE shops.

[5:35] As you know, we're comprehensive high school, we have six, sorry, CTE stands for Career Technical

[5:40] education, folk tech. We have six shops and we're focusing on three, we can focus on three

[5:48] areas with this grant and we're going to focus on property, automotive and health assistance.

[5:54] And that has everything to do with the current design. It is the only way the adjacencies are

[6:01] in just the way it currently finds, it lends itself to this

[6:08] So that's why we chose those three.

[6:16] I do agree with you.

[6:18] I do agree with you.

[6:19] It's a good proof of yourself.

[6:22] It's a good thing.

[6:23] It just has some suggested for me.

[6:26] Obviously it's your letter.

[6:28] But I just have to have the address.

[6:30] Address line.

[6:34] Contact you.

[6:35] So.

[6:36] So, I mean, if that's not the actual order that you want to use, this is the actual order.

[6:43] I said it's a law

[6:48] which we're going through is just asking us to insert a little information

[6:51] about the organization.

[6:53] That's the only thing we haven't finalized about this, again, but the content needs to be exactly

[6:57] what they have here.

[6:59] And we just thought what it is at the time it is very enthusiastic, because he asked me to

[7:06] supports a month. We do have a teaching. Say what is the exact herb use that you see that recently the other day.

[7:14] So it will be a size of a grant.

[7:17] Oh, yes.

[7:18] It's up to five million. I bet.

[7:20] Yeah, it's just five million. We're going to go for the, I'm going to say the full five million.

[7:24] We have to close the grant out on June 30, 2018.

[7:28] It is only a year of instruction.

[7:30] So a lot of the grant will come.

[7:33] We'll support the design.

[7:35] And then there's the OPM and services that, so I think about three million will go to the construction and then the rest will go to design and services discussed.

[7:48] Yeah, but what do you have to spend it and what do you hear?

[7:53] Great question October 30th and in this month we have government the application back in December.

[7:58] I'm not sure what the day is in some of, you know, big pool of money is.

[8:03] I don't know if it's in here.

[8:06] I don't know how big the EOE pool of money is.

[8:09] I'm just curious.

[8:11] Not big day.

[8:15] Have you thought of anything like this in the past?

[8:20] I don't know.

[8:20] I haven't worked on this.

[8:21] This is the first MSVA sponsor I've worked on.

[8:25] So I don't know if they have in the past.

[8:28] And I will also say this, because the building costs are so extreme now,

[8:37] and with the tariffs, the MSBAA, I think, really wants to see projects succeed.

[8:44] And so they are making these opportunities more available than they were in the past.

[8:49] Or maybe they're really the third party funding, any sort, they're all private state.

[8:53] And the relaxing was restrictions as of June 30, 2023, which is great news for us.

[9:01] And then in addition, they're increasing their reimbursement rates.

[9:06] The amount they'll reimburse for eligible spare footage.

[9:11] I think when we started out, we were at $329 per foot, which is somewhat low for community

[9:17] like ours.

[9:18] We're using a fall part of 1500, and so now we're up to 605 of us.

[9:24] So just over these three years that we've been in this program, they almost double the

[9:29] reimbursement rate for construction.

[9:31] They're also increasing it for things like furniture, pictures and equipment.

[9:35] That's point from 1200 to 1900 for a student.

[9:39] So demolition, all sorts of services, both of them, they're really...

[9:51] So that's all encouraging and we won't know what it is when it goes until it's down here.

[9:58] Okay, it's all very encouraging.

[10:01] Good.

[10:03] No, no, no.

[10:05] I like the motion to support the CTC expansion grant program.

[10:12] So we're going to try our second.

[10:16] Is there any other discussion?

[10:26] So I wanted to update you all on name. Um, so where that school building project is, um, it's currently in this schematic design base and working hard to reduce the square footage and making choices to maximize the end.

[10:47] the SBA reimbursement, and there's things like what Sam was talking about the grant

[10:52] program.

[10:54] Right now, they're in process of hiring a construction manager at risk, going on this

[10:59] month.

[11:00] I think they're starting to renews, and they expect to have that person on board by November.

[11:08] It's a tight schedule.

[11:10] The whole project has to be submitted to the MSBA December 18th, where they're February

[11:17] meeting. So the building committee is meeting twice a month. Expect new estimates in December.

[11:25] First and rate MSPA will be available in February after they're meeting. So there's a lot of

[11:34] things in play. The next big decision will be in early November. That's not what it didn't.

[11:42] And which is the high school committee has to decide how the project will be approved by the towns.

[11:51] They're the entity that will be doing the borrowing and each town's share of the debt service will be added to their high school assessment.

[12:01] There are two options.

[12:04] One, it goes to all six town meetings, and if the town is excluding in the depth, then

[12:11] it's also a valid question.

[12:14] This is the way the feasibility study was approved for the project to begin.

[12:20] If it doesn't pass in one town, either a town meeting or the ballot, then the project doesn't

[12:26] go forward.

[12:27] The other option is an election in all six teams on the same day.

[12:35] Anyone question whether to approve the high school project or not?

[12:39] I don't know exactly what the language is but and the majority of the votes cast that day will determine whether the project.

[12:49] It will appreciate

[12:55] the costs according to the food.

[12:57] Yes, go ahead.

[12:59] Is that a simple majority or a cheaper majority?

[13:01] I think it's simple.

[13:03] Yeah.

[13:05] It is very, we would also need to exclude the debt in a valid vote.

[13:11] And I, you know, both of these methods have sort of timing issues.

[13:16] There are so many days from the time the school committee improves it.

[13:19] And it has to get approved at the time meetings.

[13:21] in the day of, if there is an island-wide vote, it would have to, we'd have to have that

[13:29] arranged so that there would be time for the towns to also do the debt exclusion at their

[13:34] annual elections.

[13:37] If, and I don't know if this would happen, but if the debt exclusion doesn't pass in Tisbury,

[13:47] Then the debt service would come up as a budget and it would push us over the two-and-a-half and without an override, it would require a cost to the budget.

[14:01] So, you know, it's what the things are displaying. Does that make sense? That's weird.

[14:06] It cuts the budget for a really brief argument.

[14:12] The budget would have to be decreased.

[14:17] Because we did not do the part.

[14:20] So we can't increase the budget.

[14:24] We can't increase the budget.

[14:27] This is neither which is.

[14:31] The initial thought that we would have to take as a town would be to

[14:35] absolute debt is that fail me. I believe we probably could come back and do a

[14:41] cloud two and a half overripe for the budget, but those boats are going to be very

[14:46] close to each other, and if either way they could fail us, we have to cut the

[14:53] by the state of the limits prior to that.

[14:57] Oh, actually, if you don't pay them, do 1.5 over one.

[15:00] Right. So if we don't to like to have override, concurrent with that exclusion, we have to come back to get it to them. I see you remember that if in the first scenario, if one or one of the towns just as a scenario, decide it's not to approve it, there's a way to go back. It does not automatically cancel the price. There's a way to go back.

[15:37] that's absolutely correct. So the school can make it simply reauthorized or we approve

[15:42] the debt and then that would go back to pounds. They would have 60 days to respond to

[15:49] that if any town puts a

[15:57] town where it failed. The first time 60 days to do it over again

[16:02] basically. So that's part of the timeline and it keeps depending on when it happens and when

[16:08] we have our financial agreement with the MSVA, there's 120 days that the MSVA gives you to do

[16:17] all of that. So we're talking, if we, if it's at the federal I've already marched with the, I'm

[16:23] not sure when that is with MSVA that puts us into like mid-May or something like that.

[16:30] So we would have to do all of that within that time.

[16:34] But you could absolutely redo it, so to speak.

[16:37] Yes.

[16:39] Yes.

[16:40] In that sense.

[16:40] Yes, sir.

[16:42] I'm a little confused, so bear with me.

[16:45] We go to town floor for town meeting and the town says the residents of the town say no, we don't want to do this.

[16:52] We have a chance to go back to another town meeting.

[16:55] to say reconsider.

[16:58] If this fool can be, in my understanding, has the authority to revoke or reauthorize the

[17:05] same amount of debt to all the towns on the, and it's, it's, it's, it's the, it's the

[17:11] robustness.

[17:12] Um, and so any town that takes no action, that, that automatically gets approved.

[17:17] Um, so once a variable, but, but no, but I'm what I'm saying is the, so say five towns are

[17:22] improvement, they would simply take no action, and it would be approved. The six-town bird

[17:27] failed, but have to then take within 60 days have another election, have another valid question.

[17:35] Okay. And so that's, as my understanding, that's, that's the mechanism that the school committee

[17:41] has, the part that they have. Okay. Using Section D of the Massachusetts general law, that's the

[17:48] traditional method. That's the way everyone is used to it being done. Okay. And that would have to

[17:55] keep within the 120-day window that MSVA has for approving or the debt, you know, the project,

[18:04] essentially, after the funding agreement. And we're not sure when the funding agreement meeting will

[18:08] take place. That's when we hear from MSVA what they're going to reimburse us. Yes. I heard recently

[18:14] you know, it might be beginning in March, they may, first of all, they're more meaning

[18:18] to the first week of March. Either way, it's fine. It's just, we'd like to know a little

[18:24] earlier that later, what we're being reimbursed for, obviously. So, we're right up against

[18:29] town meetings. It's just not optimal, but it is. It's just going to be tight. So, thank you.

[18:34] And people already have said their town meeting in town. So it's sort of figuring out the day

[18:40] that stuff. School committee would take the vote that starts on me. And the second process

[18:47] is a process that's coming in in a regional school district. So there's multiple towns.

[18:56] Great question.

[19:01] The committee did and he said it only heard it being used once and I think it was

[19:11] I think it was on the tape.

[19:14] And that was the only thing he used once.

[19:17] And that was only on two times.

[19:19] We have six.

[19:20] And I think when they redid the regional agreement,

[19:24] it was put in three years ago when we all approved the regional agreement

[19:29] because it's like a new aspect of the law of regional school districts.

[19:36] So and I'm not sure anybody was really conscious that that was something we were all approving because we just, you know, because it was so different.

[19:42] But here we are.

[19:46] So do you have any answers? Yes, actually, I have on some slides, which I think you all were given in your packet.

[19:54] Yes. And I think Ellie is.

[19:55] So I wanted to show you this information.

[20:01] This isn't a presentation for or against the high school project.

[20:07] My goal is to provide some data and information in the light on his very current financial situation in relation to the NSBA project.

[20:17] Scale of the MSCA project puts into sharp focus the differences between the Highland towns.

[20:23] in terms of tax rates to number of properties, medium income, and this demographic information

[20:30] can help inform the TIS very selection.

[20:33] We often compare ourselves to the other island towns, and the towns are not the same.

[20:39] We shared this presentation with the TIS Great Finance and Advisory Committee, the TIS Department

[20:46] Committee, a group from the High School Building Committee, including the Superintendent and

[20:52] the All-Island School Committee. It's timely just because of the decision that we're just all

[20:58] talking about, you know, where the High School School Committee will be deciding on the method

[21:04] I did before getting the projects approved. So, first slide please. Thanks. So, these numbers are

[21:12] only estimates. I don't want anyone to publish them as if they were real. I would say the best

[21:20] guess their educated guess on the total project cost could go up could go down the school building

[21:28] committee is working hard to a decreased square footage thus reducing construction costs and

[21:34] maximizing MSBA reimbursement reducing the island share of the cost. It won't be until December

[21:41] or later that we'll know more specifically more real numbers. In the meantime, all towns are doing

[21:48] budgeting, and with a potential $3 million increase to disperse budget, it isn't too early

[21:56] to start planning.

[22:00] I've put in

[22:04] -dollar projects. It's closer to a $300 million project. The

[22:09] modeling share will be $200 million. Again, just an educated guest, and I don't want anyone to

[22:17] public should publish these numbers because I know there are people from the press on

[22:22] here and that's not what these are for. This is sort of to get an idea of what we're

[22:28] going to. So I calculated the numbers. You know I did really simple math. The construction

[22:35] cost is $199,900 square feet times $1,300 per square foot. The soft costs are estimated

[22:46] at 20 percent. That's the 51 million. And the total project cost comes out as 311,844,000.

[22:56] I engage the MSBA share at 25 percent. I know it all I can think that's low. The effective

[23:02] reimbursement rate and the original estimates was 20 percent. So I added five and you know,

[23:08] he will be good figure. But that 25 percent would be reduced from the total project cost. And so

[23:16] the island share would be about 233 million. The annual debt service on $233 million is $13

[23:25] million, $625,938 a year. This is assuming a 30-year bond that 4% interest.

[23:37] Next, Bill.

[23:38] It's going to be the 13 million is split between the towns all the way.

[23:43] You'll see that next.

[23:44] All right. Thank you.

[23:45] So this is the formula for the different shares of the debt of the towns.

[23:56] Aquinas 2.4%.

[23:58] Tilmar 8.26.

[24:01] You can read down.

[24:01] This formula is based 30% on equalized value, so real estate values 70% coming in a moment.

[24:13] The down-highland towns with the highest enrollment are responsible for 75% of the cost.

[24:20] With these estimated numbers, it's very to be responsible for a debt of roughly $50 million.

[24:27] That's on top of the $80 million for the tith baseball.

[24:31] You can see that on the far right column, the tax rate impact on the tenants is not the

[24:36] same.

[24:38] Tisbury may be responsible for 22.9% of the total, but it increases our taxes 65 cents per

[24:49] thousand, which is two and a half times higher than Edgartown's 28 cents per thousand, even

[24:56] even though Hedger Town is responsible for 30% of the loss of the debt service,

[25:07] their

[25:08] responsible for Tisbury tax payers pay $0.65 per thousand, well, O-Bluffs pay an additional

[25:15] $0.51 per thousand. Later slides will point out some of the reasons for these discrepancies.

[25:22] Okay. Next slide.

[25:27] This slide to show an alternative funding formula. One that's used

[25:33] by regional entities like Duke's County and the Martha's Vineyard Commission. This

[25:38] is based completely on real estate values. We're not here to argue. I'm not here to argue

[25:43] about the MSBA funding formula, but if this formula based on property values across the island

[25:52] If it was used for the MSCA project, it would increase property taxes equally across all six towns.

[26:01] Two sprays, ours is a little bit higher at 39 cents, I guess, because of our residential exemption.

[26:09] So in this formula, all island residents can see their taxes can increase relative to the value of their property, not also because of the town that they.

[26:19] Okay,

[26:23] so then I want to just look at some of the island demographics, look at

[26:28] his brain comparison to our neighbors. We have the lowest per capita income

[26:32] on the island. I so am this slide. I so hate these numbers because my daughter

[26:40] Sophie works through the summer and it makes about $9,000 a year, right? And she

[26:49] He's part of that 30,000, who's not part of that 30,000, is all the people along West

[26:57] shop, all the people that own property in the town of Tisbury can live in native.

[27:02] These 30,000, the people that are in 30,000 are most likely not even property tax payers.

[27:09] They own property.

[27:10] They're not paying property taxes.

[27:12] I despise this slide and it should not even be part of your presence.

[27:17] of your presentation. I've said this. I'm still talking. I've said this like three or four times

[27:23] now. This should not be part because it's misleading. It's not factual information. It's not Nancy.

[27:31] You're a finance person. You know. So it comes from the Department of Revenue. But it's about who pays

[27:37] property, who pays income taxes, who files their income taxes and the people that have been

[27:44] The people that live in Connecticut wrote island and the other parts of Massachusetts that don't file in the town of Tisbury are not in this formula.

[27:57] I see what you're saying. So I'm looking at year-round residents.

[28:01] You're looking at year-round residents in most of them.

[28:06] Just

[28:24] in my neighborhood alone, I have five or six people that live in the Nadek or Garwell or Boston

[28:30] that are living there in the shoulder seasons only. Their home is of the Boston area,

[28:37] and they are probably there to W-2 around their boss.

[28:44] I think probably if we look at full-time residents, we'd probably come up with a different one.

[28:50] Okay, so I take that and I will try to figure out how to make sure I'm not sure how you're going to come up with those.

[28:59] So, so sort of shifting to the other three columns.

[29:07] We're the third largest town by population, but the smallest in terms of land area, making us the most densely populated town.

[29:16] with property taxes providing 85% of the revenue for the town.

[29:21] Tisbury doesn't have much area to increase properties in our inventory.

[29:26] We are close to Format Buildup, but now, thanks.

[29:33] So I don't know, people who go to the Vineyard Haven post office,

[29:36] you know, I have to put a picture of this map because it shows you in terms of land area,

[29:41] the relationship between our town and other towns.

[29:45] Obviously, Aquina is to mushed in with Chilmar,

[29:49] but we are quite small.

[29:53] Thanks, Elie.

[29:56] Well, his very has the lowest per capita income.

[30:00] It has the highest average property tax bill, $13,552. While the quinnit is right up there with

[30:08] 12,000, the rest of the towns record average rates that are generally half as much. Here are some

[30:16] of the reasons for that. In the right column, you can see the residential levy or the amount

[30:21] that the town raises the property taxes. It's his very, very, very 33 million comparable to

[30:26] oak bluffs at 29 at your town at 36,

[30:31] but this variant has half the residential properties.

[30:36] 2685 that raised this levied compared to oak bluffs

[30:39] at your town.

[30:40] As a result, the burden on this is very taxpayers' dislike.

[30:44] And what's out on this is that,

[30:48] now this is not an argument against you,

[30:50] so I'm behaving myself at the end probably.

[30:52] Thank you, appreciate it.

[30:53] of energy channels tax base is 12.3 billion roughly and O plus tax base is 5.6 I believe

[31:08] and Tisbury is 4.3 so I don't know if my points are real my point numbers are right but I know

[31:14] the 12 the 5 and the 4 are correct so that's why the energy channels tax rate is so low

[31:25] because their tax base is so out

[31:32] next slide.

[31:36] So this is, again, these numbers are not to be reproduced.

[31:41] They're not to be printed anywhere, but based on the assumptions,

[31:46] if you've had $3.1 million in debt service,

[31:50] it'll increase property taxes 8.6% across the board

[31:53] and push the residential tax rate from 7.5%.

[32:00] This very currently has a 22% residential exemption, median home value in disveration 1.17.

[32:08] So half the properties are value less, half the properties are value more.

[32:14] For a year round resident, taxes on a median valued home would raise by, increased by $528

[32:22] dollars for a seasonal resident with a tax system based by $760.

[32:29] Obviously, higher valued

[32:30] homes would see greater increase increases. Again, these numbers are not set. They are estimates.

[32:37] I'm doing my best because I know people are concerned that, you know, numbers are going to go out

[32:42] and people are going to be like, oh, it's going to be like this. These are full projections,

[32:47] and they, we put, I put them together, we put them together because it's an extra

[32:52] decided to translate percentages and totally progeny into the realm of the taxpayers.

[33:00] Municipal finance is on a fiscal year cycle and it involves projections, season projections.

[33:06] Next one, please.

[33:09] So now we're looking at long-term debt.

[33:12] This is very long-term debt relative to the other island towns.

[33:16] Doing large part to the school.

[33:18] Our long-term debt has skyrocketed to $85 million.

[33:21] and Tisbury, yes sir.

[33:25] 75 includes what?

[33:30] It includes the school, the elementary school,

[33:35] but on that topic, what is the debt remaining on that school?

[33:39] Yeah, I was 78 millions, and about 28 years, yeah.

[33:48] Yeah, so the rest is library.

[33:53] Library.

[33:54] Okay.

[33:56] Yes, there's not much else.

[33:58] Roads.

[33:58] Yeah.

[33:59] Somebody in their group.

[34:00] All right.

[34:01] Thank you.

[34:03] So Tisper is now paying 14.2% of it.

[34:06] But it's budget to the service,

[34:09] which is really different than the ordinance.

[34:15] Thank you.

[34:16] So adding 3.1 million again, a projection from the high school project, our annual debt service would jump to 19.

[34:34] Efforts, Tisbury's physical policy state that our debt service should be below 10%.

[34:39] Edward Town's annual budget document notes, quote, credit agencies consider anything over 20% as a warning indicator.

[34:46] It is very currently cranks number two in the Commonwealth in terms of debt service as a percentage

[34:52] of budget after adding high school to spread a beat.

[34:56] Yeah, John.

[34:57] Do we know what we question, both you, how 1% per year will it still down?

[35:03] In other words, if we're at one of the numbers, five years from now, what will be our percentage

[35:09] debt?

[35:10] So it depends on how much the budget goes up, so it becomes a smaller part of the pie, so

[35:15] or as three years, the amount of the,

[35:18] it's gone down for like,

[35:20] I think it was 16 or 17 and now it's down to 14.

[35:23] So, it depends on, it does drop.

[35:25] It does drop, yeah.

[35:28] Yeah, and it hasn't been decided.

[35:31] I believe it's gonna be the high school school committee

[35:34] will decide if it's level debt service or level principal.

[35:39] What we have for the school is level debt service.

[43:22] Here's how about that, that's just me.

[43:25] Yeah, we can hear you now. I think you just muted the room by accident back three or four slides ago.

[43:33] Okay. Thank you guys. We'll look. I was muted three or four slides ago.

[43:38] Yeah, so any questions, comments? I mean, I again, this is done really to just to lay out where we are.

[43:56] I think it's a really important, I think it's a lot to absorb it, I think we have to look

[44:05] at the first success, as well as we have to look at how we're going to get ourselves

[44:10] to a better place, and I'm confident that we can, you know, working, especially your

[44:16] intelligence, denulation, but also selectively it's a board of planning groups in common,

[44:24] being able to say, okay, are we going to change this rock and arthlytes?

[44:29] So first, thank you. I don't have any questions right now. I think we'll let some of the public

[44:34] you can speak.

[44:37] First of all, I apologize when we are outbursts on that side. Every time I see it,

[44:43] I know. You know, I, my dad is doing something. I try to find an alternative, but I haven't been

[44:50] I mean, I think, you know, the one part that's not, and maybe it wasn't really, I think I saw something in there.

[44:58] But the thing is, is if we...

[45:00] We don't do anything now. If we lose MSBA funding, then where are we? You know, even if we have to delay it for five years, then where are we? You know what I mean? That's the, that's the elephant in the room. I mean, it's just, I think it's not now when, and not now, how.

[45:27] But the other one is this is going to be another significant impact on our community.

[45:33] tax pay. The finance committee, that's who we, you know, we, you know, fight it out with

[45:38] the departments to try to make sure we don't have, you know, overrides, you know, that

[45:43] we don't increase the tax rate. And so, in this case, I don't, you know, I don't think we

[45:48] have that on the table, but I think we have to, like, translate the project down to, you

[45:54] know, kind of this is, you know, these are the decisions that we're making. And to ask people

[45:59] to make that, you know, when you call it a separate vice or, you know, to understand what

[46:04] they're doing when they, you know, when we all decide to support the crisis.

[46:10] Does anyone in the room have, I just have one for pushing, but you've all got a couple

[46:15] of construction projects.

[46:17] You always hear about this.

[46:18] I am in public life.

[46:21] Do we have another as to what that I am in public life would be?

[46:24] Here's the school project.

[46:26] and it would be 10 to the speed eight.

[46:28] We'll get that as a year or a year or a year ahead.

[46:31] No, because you know my next question

[46:32] is would there be any loss after that?

[46:34] I don't want to talk about it because we do need this.

[46:37] I think what Sam had already said is they understand

[46:41] what our situation is and I think construction process

[46:45] will probably go on all over the country.

[46:47] This is the whole state.

[46:49] So I think they're sympathetic, but it's not a thing.

[46:54] They have very specific amounts. They mean it bursts. It's like a menu. If you do this,

[47:01] you get to be immersed for this. So if the square footage costs here are $1,300 a square

[47:10] foot, I think Sam just said they would be immersed up to $600,000.

[47:15] Yeah, $600 a bell.

[47:17] Yeah, so that's...

[47:20] So in our design system, in our community that criteria, you know, allows certain footage

[47:26] and certain read, burst rate rates, we've built into that, are we exceeding those?

[47:32] But I'm new.

[47:35] Some are, but we always improve.

[47:37] Yeah, okay.

[47:37] People are doing their best.

[47:39] I mean, architects have worked with MSGales for loss.

[47:42] You know, so they, you know, they know and they know the ways that you could get additional,

[47:46] you know, extra 5% for being, you know, energy efficient or something else. So, you know, they're mean to understand.

[47:55] Yeah.

[47:57] Thanks again.

[48:00] Anyone in the room have anything you want to say before we go to the Zoom stream?

[48:06] I mean, Ben Robinson may have been, was it either Ben or Rachel and I have your analyst?

[48:12] then we'll go to Rachel.

[48:15] Thanks, Roy.

[48:16] One way to think about that slide that you had issues with Roy

[48:20] is that you could really apply that logic to all the towns.

[48:23] But I would encourage you to think about it this way.

[48:27] Tisbury has the highest year-round population.

[48:31] So it's probably the most reflective of the taxpayers

[48:34] that own property in the town of all of the island towns on income.

[48:38] Just one thing to think about in that the other thing is is you know the school building committee did not pick the least expensive option that we could we could do on the school they in fact picked the most expensive option or the second most expensive option.

[48:55] And we gave up greater reimbursements for reutilizing more of the existing building MSBA reimburse is higher for a renovation project than new construction.

[49:06] So, that was a choice by the school building committee.

[49:10] That was about $100 million swing right there.

[49:13] The formula costs us $20 million more than an equalized formula across the island.

[49:20] That's our town hall right there.

[49:23] So, I have been encouraging the town and others to be looking at this very closely

[49:28] and pushing on how do we get the island to accept an equalized value formula for this project?

[49:33] because I don't see this passing with Tisbury voters,

[49:38] or plus voters or Aquina voters,

[49:40] when they look at it and say,

[49:42] why are we having to pay more per thousand

[49:44] than these other towns, for a regional project?

[49:48] So I think we have to get serious about negotiating

[49:51] that formula down, otherwise, you know,

[49:55] we're not gonna have any money for the town hall.

[49:57] And that's the $20 million swing right there.

[50:00] Those are my points, thanks.

[50:08] So one thing that I would just like to mention, one of the tools we have to assist our year-round

[50:16] property owners is the residential exemption.

[50:19] But we also have many, many year-round renters.

[50:23] It's statistically, Tisbury has a higher percentage of year-round occupancy with rentals in the

[50:30] other towns if you look at the housing data that the MVC is collected by town. Those properties

[50:37] right now do not qualify for a residential exemption, even if they are rented year-round. So,

[50:43] by inference, if taxes go up more for those properties, rents will go up for those properties.

[50:52] province town through a home rule petition was able to get residential

[50:57] exemption for properties that are rented year-round and I would really

[51:03] encourage our town to do what we can to also have the residential exemption

[51:12] applied year-round rentals especially if we're going to be using it as a major

[51:16] tool to make these kinds of expensive projects affordable for our year-round property owners.

[51:24] I think that's part of this basket of tools that we should be working really hard to try

[51:30] to put in place as we look at this kind of expenditure.

[51:41] is that it? Okay. I agree with what Rachel said and the Affordable Housing Committee is

[51:50] looking at something along those lines to try and bring in the property owners that rents

[51:59] year-round to give them a tax rate whether it would be the residential exemption or something else.

[52:06] I don't think that's been important on this yet, but that is something I'm working on.

[52:10] Is that correct?

[52:11] Yeah.

[52:12] Or close.

[52:14] Close to having something to say.

[52:16] Yes.

[52:18] Mr. Crystal, in the back, thank you for working on this lot of information.

[52:23] I didn't take pictures on it, so my number is going to be a little off because I've sold

[52:27] three times.

[52:27] I couldn't take it.

[52:28] No, no, no, no, no.

[52:29] It's all the way to the real estate picture.

[52:31] I think I'm going to take it.

[52:32] Huh?

[52:32] Welcome to Tisbury Job. This is basically a Israeli convenience for certain people when they speak after,

[52:41] but when they speak, it's easy to look forward, they forget about the rear view of the side mirrored,

[52:49] so look in the back.

[52:51] Reason we are in the situation, we are in, is, there's a side there, what we do.

[52:56] the answer that said, what do we do if we don't do it?

[52:59] It's a nice group.

[53:02] Well, that was Tisbury's slide five years ago, six years ago, both ready for school.

[53:07] This is not new.

[53:08] Everybody knew this was come, $300 million a pair of down from a Tristan, was

[53:16] a Tristan

[53:17] Jimmy myself, said years ago, we were talking $400, what did it be, who were thinking that

[53:22] I still would be that.

[53:23] This expenditure is not new.

[53:26] We knew it was coming up, we opted to delay the elementary school, not go with MSDA funding.

[53:33] Your MSDA funding probably passed you to build maybe $16 million on maybe nursing homes

[53:40] if you were to do for the elementary school.

[53:44] That's your notice when you start looking at the debt, you talk about the percentage of debt

[53:48] when the debt comes down to the debt's now coming down.

[53:50] In a Nancy mentioned, no damage, that's your town hall there.

[53:55] You have to suggest the town hall with my, if you're in real fun, I hope the tax pay

[53:58] are right now.

[53:59] You take everything else off the board and you start working on how we fund this, specifically

[54:04] the debt, which brings me into job design, like our reserve funds, a reserve, if we're paying

[54:11] 4% debt, which is what the numbers I can help you down low by.

[54:16] What are in some rhetorical questions?

[54:18] The amount of money that we have in reserve, all reserve funds, what's it invested in?

[54:24] The 10 years getting 4.17 roughly.

[54:30] It's paying for the debt.

[54:35] This is what it's going to cost us.

[54:37] You have to look at where we're taking the money and receipts and how we're investing in the stock.

[54:41] Kiss the time log in by, kiss the anything to do with the expansion of the sewer,

[54:47] unless you get a grant to everything else.

[54:49] But we're in a tough situation to renegotiate a school formula that a very reason why we got into the MSDA program is because we negotiated this formula.

[55:00] And the MSDA said, thank you.

[55:03] Because they were telling us you're not getting into the program unless you guys get your act together.

[55:07] And all six times we met at the school volume where they are in lovely meetings along with myself.

[55:12] So, we decided it's not perfect, nothing on the scientific basis of funding, okay?

[55:21] By the way, Sam, I'm supportive, well I'm voting yes, I don't care if it's an online vote

[55:26] or not, because I've been to this movie before and it's a horror flick and I don't want

[55:32] to see another horror flick for the Tisbury tax favor because I'm telling you right now,

[55:37] If we try to load it down and try to kill it, we try to do the MSP, try to redo the stool

[55:43] Finally, at this point in time, we're done.

[55:46] We're done.

[55:47] You want to say goodbye.

[55:48] And we're not going to build on it.

[55:49] I'll take the exception to that.

[55:50] We're not going to build on it.

[55:51] We're not going to build on it.

[55:52] We have the ADU that just got passed.

[55:55] The accessory dwelling unit is a godsend for this town for one of us.

[56:00] But we're not going to utilize it the way we should.

[56:02] One of the papers wrote a piece of all three families that are doing ADUs.

[56:05] You know what, it's not that easy to try to do an ADU with a ton of Tisbury.

[56:09] You should figure out the hoops and hurdles you have to jump through to get an ADU.

[56:14] That's a savior of this town to help tax base.

[56:17] That's a savior of this town to help keep the young, not only in Tisbury, but on the island,

[56:23] it's really a benefit and we're not utilizing.

[56:26] We have such an opportunity to hit this head on and said, we keep looking at it going,

[56:31] Well, you know, this is a new town hall.

[56:36] This is what just sit down, get your housing committee together,

[56:39] look at certain things, get your finance committee to get together,

[56:42] look at the work, this is going to happen.

[56:44] If they don't happen this year, it's happening in three years.

[56:47] And you all know what that will be ended up with.

[56:49] It's going to cost you double.

[56:51] So on the special time meeting, sweet weeks ago,

[56:58] There's a warrant article for a financial analysis, so in terms of sort of plotting out where

[57:06] we are and where we're going, we will be getting some additional help from the Collins

[57:12] Center, which I think will be helpful in terms of being able to set priorities and figure

[57:18] out how to manage.

[57:19] Because, you know, these other things, I mean, the town hall, the need for the town hall

[57:24] is not going away.

[57:25] It's frankly, I don't want to put doing bad buildings up, but I would put the,

[57:38] give us some ideas, some other ways of looking at this.

[57:47] Do you want them to have anything else that I can?

[57:51] Good.

[57:52] Final word.

[57:52] I don't know about that.

[57:54] Any of the more words after this.

[57:56] I think Jeff, good points, all good points.

[58:01] And I support what you're saying.

[58:02] And I think what we just want to try to do in front of this,

[58:07] as opposed to being surprised, you know,

[58:09] come January, February, March.

[58:11] I like the idea of knocking heads with Ben Tom,

[58:13] with planning, zoning, get these A to use going, understand C's, look at these, these

[58:19] are all tools that are going to be in our labs. But I also want to point out, I remember

[58:25] in a meeting, probably my first year as a flood court member, you and I were looking at

[58:31] not raising the residential tax three years ago, residential education. I think one of the

[58:38] support members wanted to. We said, no, let's save it for us. So what I'd like to see

[58:43] in the next meeting is, what would that world look like in different scenarios by raising

[58:49] the residential exemption? So right now, what was the number of six other dollar increase

[58:55] on events? Yeah. So, no, maybe 22, but the not that we have to pay, there's an ax pair

[59:02] It's about $600 increase.

[59:06] Yeah.

[59:08] Play with those numbers to come back and say, OK, we raised 1%, 5%.

[59:14] Somewhere between, what would that role look like?

[59:19] The only thing I have a question was the,

[59:22] it seems like we're going to get the MSDA percentage

[59:27] until November, December.

[59:29] That's true.

[59:32] So, yeah, we'll know in February, and in February, what the reimbursement rate will be.

[59:39] And I just wanted to make the point that's okay that we don't know if the school building committee shows the most expensive option.

[59:47] We don't know if the way in which the funding agreement works as I understand is far more nuanced than what was just said.

[59:57] And I hope there's not a narrative about there that they picked.

[1:00:00] The most expensive project. That's not the case. We don't know if that's the case. I mean, one of them started February. And they're making decisions based on the best possible information that they've been given. So, and this is an addition renovation. So, we will see some percentage back for renovating the building as well. So, we'll get some bonus points on that because there's an ad rent out. So, that's what we're expecting. So, I just wanted to say we don't know until February.

[1:00:29] right. And I just hope we can we can be patient and have the comments.

[1:00:40] The add is that

[1:00:42] yeah. So our tax classification hearing is scheduled for October 20, which is when you set

[1:00:49] the residential exemption. So for the following year, fiscal year 26.

[1:00:57] So you should be thinking

[1:01:00] about it. Okay. Yeah. When we raise the residential

[1:01:10] exemptions from 18, 22, that was to soften the blow of the

[1:01:17] Tisbury school. So, just want to go down to chair. I think

[1:01:24] our original can still up or should that's not a question. Rachel, is your hand

[1:01:29] is still up? Do you have another question? I have another comment. I just would ask you to keep in

[1:01:36] mind that every time you raise a residential exemption, the effect is to raise the tax rate.

[1:01:41] That's how it overall. That's how it works.

[1:01:47] And I would say that's a strictly strong comment.

[1:01:58] I'd

[1:01:59] And total tax levy on residential properties stays the same whenever the residential

[1:02:05] extension it.

[1:02:07] If we raise the residential extension, we lower the tax burden on year-round residents

[1:02:15] and increase the burden on non-residents.

[1:02:19] So yes, it does increase the tax rate, by some degree, but the total tax levy of names

[1:02:34] Yes, the other thing with the ADUs, one of the limitations of having ADUs all over

[1:02:44] town is our wastewater capacity.

[1:02:48] So to make significant changes to that would involve significantly more sewering, which

[1:02:55] has a cost involved.

[1:02:56] I guess the point is just all this is complicated, and I would mention that our wonderful professional

[1:03:04] team at the high school, CHA, and the architects have been providing cost estimates for every

[1:03:11] option along the way and revising them as plans have changed, so each step of the way there

[1:03:16] has been some financial information provided along with Mike Owen doing really good work,

[1:03:25] looking at reimbursements and I'm sure that tool has been helpful as the project is being fine-tuned now.

[1:03:34] So, you know, the money has been part of this conversation all along and I'm sure it will continue to be so

[1:03:41] and I appreciate that work that has been done all along.

[1:03:46] And we're just, you know, we're going to need to all get together and really talk about a broad range of things

[1:03:52] as we figure out our tools, because one thing affects another thing. It's not simple.

[1:03:57] And that's it. Thank you.

[1:03:58] All right.

[1:03:58] Thank you, Rachel. And with your permission, John, we'll make that the final order.

[1:04:03] That works for me.

[1:04:04] Okay.

[1:04:05] Nancy, thank you very much.

[1:04:07] Thank you very much.

[1:04:08] I accept it.

[1:04:08] And, uh, okay.

[1:04:09] I thank you for coming.

[1:04:10] I'm pretty sure you've heard me from this.

[1:04:12] I sent you the product.

[1:04:13] Thank you.

[1:04:14] This is Chair.

[1:04:15] Yeah. Um, we're going to lose David to NISC.

[1:04:17] And you see here, we're not getting any questions from the county.

[1:04:20] before being needed for concrete.

[1:04:22] Can you jump to that one?

[1:04:23] I think I'm here to leave at six.

[1:04:26] Okay.

[1:04:26] That's one.

[1:04:27] Absolutely.

[1:04:30] Do I need to...

[1:04:32] No, I'd like to...

[1:04:34] I'd like to begin your introduction to it.

[1:04:36] Okay.

[1:04:36] Tell a little bit of summary as it's flyings on the agenda.

[1:04:40] And then circle back as to what needs to be done.

[1:04:44] Okay.

[1:04:45] So we're gonna jump to the discussion and potential vote.

[1:04:49] So on an open meetings law complaint received, this agenda item concerns an open meeting

[1:04:57] law complaint against the select board and kind of an email that was sent by a select

[1:05:03] member on September 19, 2025 regarding the meeting of a planning board on September 17,

[1:05:12] 2025.

[1:05:14] The complaint was made by a member of the Supreme Court,

[1:05:18] now it's in his case, the hate law.

[1:05:20] The complaint claims a violation of the law because in addition to the

[1:05:24] town administrator, human resource director and other town officials, the

[1:05:30] email was sent to all the members of the select bearer pool and all the members

[1:05:34] of the plane board, meaning you were sent out to a quorum of each of those

[1:05:39] boards to make the email age a little to make the possibility of the liberation outside

[1:05:45] and public hosted meeting.

[1:05:48] The complaint was dated September 19th of 2025 and where you're saved by an email on

[1:05:54] that day.

[1:05:55] The select board members have a copy of that complaint in your packet about tonight.

[1:06:00] I'm going to give you an outline of the process based on open meetings law for the complaint

[1:06:06] and the board will need to review the complaint

[1:06:08] and decide what action to take.

[1:06:10] These are the rules set forward by the attorney general.

[1:06:14] When a complaint is received, the public file in question

[1:06:18] has 14 days to review the complaint

[1:06:21] and to take what regulations call remedial action.

[1:06:25] If the body finds such action to be appropriate,

[1:06:28] it just ends a response to the person

[1:06:31] who submitted the complaint.

[1:06:34] With the description of the remedial action as well, the copy of the complaint complaint must be sent to the attorney general office along with the description of the remedial action taken.

[1:06:45] And that's based on second 940 C and mark 29-05 section 5.

[1:06:52] Today's meeting is within the 14 days of receipt of the complaint, so the board is in review within the time period.

[1:07:00] I have consulted with town council on the allegations of a complaint and would like to

[1:07:04] amend the board to determine that there was a technical violation regarding the email

[1:07:09] in that no remedial action is required and these are the reasons for my determination.

[1:07:17] When you're open meeting law, a meeting of the public body is defined as a deliberation by a

[1:07:23] the body with respect to any matter within the body's jurisdiction, the liberation defined

[1:07:29] as a moral or written communication through immediate, including electronic mail between

[1:07:36] or among a corner of a public body, or any public business within insurances of jurisdiction.

[1:07:43] The attorney general's office meeting brought guide, he flew to statement on the liberation

[1:07:50] in emails by members of which the public body and that sets specifically.

[1:07:56] Note that the expression of an opinion on matters within the body's jurisdiction

[1:08:02] to a forum of a public body is a deliberation.

[1:08:06] Even if no other public body members respond.

[1:08:10] For example, if a member of a public body sends an email to a forum of public body

[1:08:16] expressing his or her opinion on a matter that could come before that by this

[1:08:22] communication by lace the law even if none of the respondents respond or the

[1:08:28] recipients respond. And that's from page 8 of the June 2025 edition of that

[1:08:35] guide. Mr. Katero's email questions behavior and conduct of Miss Haver on

[1:08:41] on September 17th, that was displayed at a planning board meeting.

[1:08:46] No subject matter policy to decision to be made by the suspect board for planning.

[1:08:52] The formal action of the body today is to review the complaint and make the determination as people.

[1:08:59] On whether there is a violation that would require any remedial action viable.

[1:09:05] For where there is no violation.

[1:09:06] If the board determines that a remedial action is required, it needs to specify the particular

[1:09:13] action.

[1:09:14] I will prepare a letter to the complaint based on the board's determination.

[1:09:19] In the complaint, the action requested is that the board and Mr. Carrier receive, to try

[1:09:25] and receive formal warning, not to fall, not to fall, that not following procedure in protocol

[1:09:31] is against the law and disruptive to productive capricades.

[1:09:36] In that, the board may require

[1:09:37] to undergo open meeting law trade.

[1:09:41] For these reasons,

[1:09:43] I would recommend a determination

[1:09:44] that remedial passion is required.

[1:09:48] Mr. Dinesque, do you have any questions or comments before?

[1:09:55] Just as a clarification,

[1:09:57] I believe with the introduction that you gave

[1:10:01] your last statement was you were recommending

[1:10:03] that there is not remedial action required, did I? Is that correct?

[1:10:07] That is correct, yes. I would recommend I would not recommend any termination that would require remedial action.

[1:10:16] And so then it's now for the board to consider the matter and make its determination

[1:10:21] and that it would need to take a vote on what to do.

[1:10:25] And I believe that at that point, the town administrator may have some further information for you.

[1:10:32] Yes.

[1:10:38] Did you find that to claim it more, was one of the cases not deliberation that one I heard?

[1:10:49] There you go.

[1:10:50] I don't know.

[1:10:51] I don't know.

[1:10:51] In other words, there was not deliberation.

[1:10:56] It was not deliberation.

[1:10:57] It was not deliberation.

[1:10:58] That's a good question.

[1:11:00] The answer to the question is that the sending of the email itself by virtue of the

[1:11:07] of the statement in the Attorney General's open meeting

[1:11:12] law guide to all members of the public body.

[1:11:16] And in this instance, it was two public bodies.

[1:11:20] That does amount to a deliberation.

[1:11:24] I think that the point that the town administrator was making

[1:11:28] was that the content of the email concerned the manner in which

[1:11:34] a member of the planning board conducted herself during the meeting, it was not regarding

[1:11:41] a particular subject or some policy decision that either the planning board or the select

[1:11:48] board would be making.

[1:11:52] So I think that would be the reason that in the initial statement to you, the town administrator

[1:11:59] greater may reference to a technical violation.

[1:12:07] Yeah, that was right.

[1:12:11] You're looking for a partnership boat tonight on what action.

[1:12:16] Yes, action.

[1:12:16] So based on our findings and what we just read into the record.

[1:12:19] And again, I guess I'll read this one more time so we're clear

[1:12:23] for the reasons I described.

[1:12:26] I would not recommend a determination

[1:12:27] that the remedial action is required.

[1:12:31] The motion that we've prepared for tonight

[1:12:33] for the board to consider and take action on is I move that the board vote to find that

[1:12:40] after review of the Open Meeting Law complaint of Casey Hayden. There was a technical

[1:12:46] violation of Open Meeting Law. Respect to the September 19 e-mail of the board member,

[1:12:54] or by the board member, Mr. Petra, that only remedial measures needed is that the select board

[1:13:02] be reminded that a member of the public body should not send an e-mail to a

[1:13:09] form of that body. And seeing an opinion on matters whether the body within the

[1:13:15] body's jurisdiction in that the town administrator report this low to

[1:13:21] missing. And I could read again at recent news.

[1:13:28] So just so a point of order, we have

[1:13:32] 14 days to resolve this 14 business days, just for that.

[1:13:39] Okay, so respond, if we don't respond within those 14 business days, then what?

[1:13:47] A complainant may bring a complaint separately to the Office of the Attorney General.

[1:13:54] In

[1:13:58] this situation that we're in right now, the member that we're on is only two of us.

[1:14:11] So the should the member that the plane is against would use himself?

[1:14:20] In my view, you do not have to refuse yourself because the regulations require that the

[1:14:28] board, the public body against whom a complaint is made actually take up the complaint and decide

[1:14:36] again whether there was a violation and if so whether any remedial action is required. And in

[1:14:43] this instance, the form of complaint which is prescribed by the Attorney General's Office

[1:14:51] includes a line for what is the public body and this complaint specifies that it was the select

[1:14:57] board that is public body. It also

[1:15:00] It includes a line for which individual or individuals, and that's the line that states one member

[1:15:07] of the board, that being you, Mr. Catrier. So in my view, you do not have to abstain from

[1:15:14] this, but if there is a concern regarding a difference of opinion, and this may be a

[1:15:21] reason for the board to continue a discussion, because if a motion is made, and there's a tie,

[1:15:26] That motion will not pass, but for other than a reason of not being able to come to a vote based on a substantive disagreement, I would not recommend that you refrain from acting now.

[1:15:45] If there's further information you think you need you could ask about that although in my view

[1:15:50] this is a fairly narrow question that's before you and that's whether the email and question

[1:15:58] amounted to a violation.

[1:16:04] Thank you David. Explain to me the technical violation.

[1:16:09] What did you suggest in your moment

[1:16:13] that there was a technical violation?

[1:16:16] David, want me to speak to that?

[1:16:19] Yes, you certainly can, or I, or both, or you wish.

[1:16:24] So, I'm speaking to our guests.

[1:16:25] Sure, and the reason, again, of a violation

[1:16:28] is that an email by one member of a body

[1:16:31] to all other members of that body

[1:16:34] is by the advice and guidance of the attorney general's office.

[1:16:38] a quote-unquote deliberation, and a deliberation is only supposed to take place at a posted meeting.

[1:16:47] I think it is a very close call here, and that's why I think it's accurate for the town

[1:16:52] administrator to describe this as technical, because the email in question, again,

[1:16:59] did not relate to a policy position to be taken or a vote on a particular subject matter.

[1:17:06] rather it related to the manner of conduct of a particular individual

[1:17:13] at a meeting that was the scope of the email. So in a very strict reading and by

[1:17:23] the advice and guidance of the Attorney General's Office when an email

[1:17:27] was sent to a quorum, that would constitute deliberation. And with language that was

[1:17:37] read to you from that guide, that would be the reason that technically, yes, there was

[1:17:42] a violation, but the recommendation that you have is that there's not remedial action

[1:17:48] required. And I think the basis for that would be that there was not a communication that

[1:17:56] that related to action that either the select board

[1:18:00] or the planning board should take rather,

[1:18:03] it was a response to conduct that happened at a meeting.

[1:18:13] Yes, thank you.

[1:18:14] Thank you, David.

[1:18:15] Thank you, Joe.

[1:18:15] Are you prepared to vote?

[1:18:17] Yes, I am.

[1:18:19] I'm excited to read the vote.

[1:18:21] Oh, it's absolutely.

[1:18:26] So the motion that will be before you this evening

[1:18:28] is I move that the board for fine, that view of the open meeting law complaint of Ms. Casey

[1:18:35] Hayler. There was a technical violation of the open meeting law with respect to the

[1:18:41] September 19th keynet by board member of the chair. That is only for a media measure needed.

[1:18:50] Is that the select board be reminded that a member of a public body should not send keymits

[1:18:57] reform of that body, stating an opinion of matters in the body's jurisdiction and that

[1:19:05] the town administrator disloathe to the state.

[1:19:11] Would you like to make a motion?

[1:19:13] So, I'll look with the study.

[1:19:16] Would you try our second discussion?

[1:19:19] Um, the test, do you think that actually reflects that they do or what?

[1:19:30] I think that accurately reflects the nature of what happened.

[1:19:35] I was appalled by what I saw and heard in that meeting that night, and I wrote an email

[1:19:47] to object to what I saw in what I heard and to treat the little people.

[1:19:53] So, yeah, I don't believe that, yeah,

[1:20:03] that room actually reflects.

[1:20:08] I'll be brief, and I'll just say that that was a very unfortunate meeting that occurred.

[1:20:12] And I hope I never did this to something like that again.

[1:20:18] Any meeting that I tend to want to be in the business level or political level,

[1:20:22] it was very unfortunate.

[1:20:24] and they've left them on, so thank you for the support.

[1:20:31] I'm ready for both.

[1:20:33] Thank you.

[1:20:38] Thank you.

[1:20:42] Moving back along.

[1:20:44] Moving along.

[1:20:46] We're going to go to every task or to be sort of sent out for all license.

[1:20:52] Change of management.

[1:20:59] Yeah, sir. Hopefully we can be quick.

[1:21:03] We just have some shuffling as with any new business.

[1:21:07] We've got some moving parts with people and so the manager on the liquor license is being

[1:21:13] changed. He should be on here on the Zoom, but that's just a simple change of manager that's

[1:21:19] It's got to come before you, before it goes up to the ABCC for approval.

[1:21:28] John, do you have any questions?

[1:21:30] No questions.

[1:21:31] Mr. Chair,

[1:21:33] I think we're going to run them to be one motion.

[1:21:35] Yes, please.

[1:21:36] Make a motion to approve that big task.

[1:21:39] The extension, I'll call a license, change the manager's process.

[1:21:44] We're going to show our second in further discussion.

[1:21:46] No.

[1:21:47] John, can you hear me?

[1:21:48] Thank you a lot.

[1:21:49] And we're going to show our eye.

[1:21:51] Thank you.

[1:21:52] Thank you.

[1:21:53] Thank you.

[1:21:55] We've found all location presentations from my time.

[1:22:00] I know we have, I think, used to line up to the local fleet we've got here.

[1:22:05] Yeah, there's three things.

[1:22:06] What can you do in your duckland?

[1:22:10] The town hall selection task force was set with the mission to produce a study of town

[1:22:16] own properties to house not only a new town hall, but also the potential station. Under the

[1:22:25] Select Awards vision, they selected a task force chaired by grid comets, our chair,

[1:22:31] Lindsey Thomasus. Then we added a based on experience of that they have, Daniel Falen and Russ

[1:22:39] in my self-assounted administrator.

[1:22:44] The group produced, the task force produced an RFQ,

[1:22:48] which is a request for qualifications

[1:22:50] that was led out to the public or released to the public

[1:22:53] on May 20th of 2025.

[1:22:57] A mandatory meeting was held for all interested parties

[1:23:01] to attend a meeting on May 28th to give them the criteria

[1:23:05] of the RFQ.

[1:23:07] Bids were due on June 18th of 2025 with which five Bids were five companies responded

[1:23:14] and Icon architecture wanted the contract for setting out the mission of the panel.

[1:23:25] Well tonight we have Icon here to present their findings.

[1:23:28] We will be looking for the select boards to listen and then make a recommendation at the

[1:23:33] next meeting on October 28th.

[1:23:36] Re-principles that work on the project were named Collier, or eight NECO, and Mark with

[1:23:46] Reddives, and Mark is here tonight to walk us through some fine news.

[1:23:50] Okay. Can I get permission to share a screen?

[1:23:57] You have it, Mark.

[1:23:59] Oh, great. Thank you. Okay.

[1:24:04] I'm happy to be here with all of you tonight to talk about the

[1:24:08] site selection study and to look forward to hearing your response in the on the 28.

[1:24:20] So our agenda for, oh boy, oh boy, there we go, our agenda for tonight is to talk about

[1:24:30] about the why for the site selection, the site in building space requirements are study

[1:24:40] results, recommendations and concepts, and then next steps in public input.

[1:24:48] So as to the why, the town administration is dispersed over four sites, it's inefficient

[1:24:56] for residents and or employees it takes ours or transit to to do the business of the town.

[1:25:07] We have done a walkthrough of town properties and some of these are some of our initial

[1:25:15] look at the code and infrastructure issues that exist.

[1:25:23] We also looked at the accessibility challenges that the town has.

[1:25:30] And again, these are some of the challenges and issues.

[1:25:35] These are not all of them.

[1:25:37] What we are seeing here is clear clearance height.

[1:25:42] And obviously having stairs and an egress fall is not to code.

[1:25:48] I want to talk briefly about the study parameters.

[1:25:53] We were asked to focus, our task was to focus on town owned properties only.

[1:26:03] We were asked to consolidate the functions of town hall and the police department into

[1:26:09] one site and to consolidate the departments you see below into one building for town.

[1:26:17] all. So we met with leadership of the town hall and the police department. And through our

[1:26:28] programming process determine that town hall needs about 15,000 square feet and the police

[1:26:35] department around 9,000 square feet. When you look at parking zoning requirements, exterior

[1:26:44] your storage, programmable space, we came to a conclusion very early on that a minimum

[1:26:51] of an acre would be needed for either for a town hall and police department building

[1:26:59] or for a town hall project only.

[1:27:03] So our slight study, we started with 84 properties.

[1:27:10] and as I stated we really our first filter was to use the one acre and we looked at

[1:27:21] things that were one acre and we then took those seven properties and created

[1:27:30] an initial some additional criteria and created a scorecard based on feasibility

[1:27:36] And so the feasibility was a rated system of not feasible, was given zero points and that's red.

[1:27:48] Less feasible was given yellow and one point and feasible was green and given two points.

[1:27:56] And with that scoring system, we determined that the high point lane site

[1:28:01] and the West Williams site were the two most feasible sites for either option, a town hall or a town hall and police station.

[1:28:15] We put these sites on a map and you can see here that we've got some town, the major town owned parcels and properties of the flood zone.

[1:28:29] the circles that you see are a five minute walk radius and then we've got the

[1:28:34] bus routes. And as you can see West William is slightly smaller. It is within

[1:28:43] proximity to other town buildings and it's closer to town. The high point site

[1:28:51] is further away, but it is bigger, and it is also on transit and is adjacent to the DPW site.

[1:29:02] So after we determined these two sites were the best, we then went and spoke with our

[1:29:11] civil engineers and we looked at these two most viable sites together and we

[1:29:20] looked at these as challenges and opportunities for each site. So these

[1:29:26] criteria are the challenges and opportunities of these two sites and we looked

[1:29:31] at things such as the topography and cut and fill and you know how storm water

[1:29:36] management would be dealt with on each site and then if there's a site history of structures

[1:29:42] and whether or not that created contaminated soils.

[1:29:47] And so with that in the previous, we determined our recommendations.

[1:29:55] and so we have two.

[1:30:00] We have two recommended sites and concepts. Option one is the Consolidated Town Hall and Police

[1:30:08] Department together at High Point Lane. And option two is a Town Hall only on West

[1:30:17] William Street. And so, I just want to, we're showing these concepts. And as we do, I want

[1:30:27] to point out the north arrow for this option, the north is at the upper right hand corner

[1:30:33] of the screen. So in this, the site slopes from the high point near the old transfer station

[1:30:44] down to the town pound. This is an L-shaped building that is three stories at the highest

[1:30:51] point. It has two the the great thing about this is that it has two separate fronts and two identities

[1:30:58] and the police station and the town hall can function. They can share an elevator and circulation

[1:31:06] core, but they can function separately. The other thing that this provides is the opportunity for

[1:31:14] for a public meeting space that opens for the south and west, and this also allows the

[1:31:23] volume of the space to be appropriate for a larger space.

[1:31:28] The other thing is that we have space for a SWOT, for the SWOT equipment storage and

[1:31:34] a Sally port in the lower level.

[1:31:37] And so the line you see going through that drawing with the two A's is the site section and so this is that site section showing how this would function on that site.

[1:31:57] So you can see to the left the high point lane at the left side is the high point and it slopes down and you can see how the police department nestles below

[1:32:08] the town hall and the town hall goes up and over. So for high point lane, the

[1:32:17] pros of this are that it is a larger site, it has greater area, and because of

[1:32:24] that, it allows it allows for two functions to work independently, and there is

[1:32:32] It's also room for expansion at this site.

[1:32:36] The con is that this is the steepest sloping site, and it will require more site work.

[1:32:47] It is slightly more remote from the city, and there's a question as to whether or not

[1:32:53] there would be need an additional road for emergency response.

[1:32:58] And then because the annex is currently here during construction, staff would need to be relocated that work at the annex.

[1:33:11] So that's option one which is the consolidated option.

[1:33:18] Option two is a town hall only at West Williams site.

[1:33:24] and for this, I just want to let everybody know, North is to your left. This is a much more

[1:33:33] straightforward project. It's an L-shaped building with separate parking for visitors and staff.

[1:33:43] This setback, the building is set back to match the residential properties in the neighborhood.

[1:33:51] the main chunk of the building, the two-storey mass,

[1:33:56] is in the middle of the site.

[1:33:59] We have put the public meeting space to the east,

[1:34:03] which again allows it to have the volume that's needed

[1:34:06] for the space that it will be.

[1:34:10] And this has a green space to the southeast

[1:34:14] that can be used for programs.

[1:34:17] and this fits into more of an urban campus.

[1:34:23] So you can see here it's a much more simpler site.

[1:34:29] There is grading that is required to the south,

[1:34:33] but it's not nearly as extensive as the high point site.

[1:34:41] So for pros and cons,

[1:34:44] this again it can be part of a municipal campus. It can fit into the

[1:34:53] neighborhood well and it has an interior exterior public space that can have

[1:34:58] a great relationship to one another. There is some slope and it will require

[1:35:04] either fill or grading. The vehicle access point so for the visitor parking it's

[1:35:14] a little bit closer together than engineers, civil engineers would like. And then because

[1:35:21] there was a house and garage on there previously, there is the potential for subsurface contamination

[1:35:29] that would need to be remedial. So those are two recommended options and sites. And our

[1:35:42] next steps. We are working on a town hall website, site selection website. We

[1:35:51] would like to have public feedback and the email address is Office of the

[1:35:58] town administrator at tizburyma.gov and we anticipate taking that public

[1:36:05] feedback and putting it into revisions to these two options and then meeting with the

[1:36:14] Select Board for Final Site Decision.

[1:36:19] And so with that, I am going to stop sharing and welcome any questions or comments.

[1:36:32] So, what is the strategy for getting this out to the public? I mean, I know it's the website,

[1:36:41] but it's got to be some sort of strategy to get the public to the website.

[1:36:47] Yes, we have.

[1:36:50] We have to answer your first part. We have been meeting with a lot of the town departments

[1:36:58] and committees, we've met with planning, we've been in FinCon meetings, so we've introduced

[1:37:08] ourselves to the town through other committee meetings. We look to work with Joe and Rick

[1:37:17] on sort of a social media outreach to get people to the website.

[1:37:24] It

[1:37:27] personally made it tense to me to the two of butters.

[1:37:31] I was able to contact the one directly there.

[1:37:35] And we sent the letter to the other of butters

[1:37:39] because there was no contact made.

[1:37:41] But we're going to get as Mark alluded to in the social media

[1:37:46] will reach out to papers and so on.

[1:37:49] I think we're going to say it's going to be nice.

[1:37:53] Yeah, Mr. Chairman, I was just going to add.

[1:37:55] And I think the publicity that we'll get through the papers will hopefully be helpful.

[1:38:02] But I think that, you know, part of this decision that you'll be making on the 28th is

[1:38:09] a financial decision and a timing decision.

[1:38:14] And I think the extensive public input will come in the next phase of the project when we're

[1:38:22] actually once, once you and your leadership role have made the, made the site selection.

[1:38:28] And we move into the actual design of the facility itself and make sure that we end up with

[1:38:36] the facility that really, you know, meets and exceeds the expectations of the residents

[1:38:43] of, of, of, of Tisbury. So I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to lead one to think

[1:38:50] that we're going to do extensive, you know, public outreach during this next period.

[1:38:55] I think we're going to do some good, solid public outreach and get opinions and see what

[1:39:01] people bring to the table that might, you know, require us to make some adjustments.

[1:39:08] And also your feedback will be most critical, you know, to this process.

[1:39:13] We have, as Mark said, met with the planning board, met with Fincom, and so they are up to speed on this, and so we expect to get feedback from them as well.

[1:39:26] But we've gone through a methodical process now.

[1:39:31] We've got two very different recommendations, a town hall and a town hall and a police department.

[1:39:38] And we're hoping that on the 28th, you all can make a final decision that we can move

[1:39:45] into, you know, the next phase of planning for this facility.

[1:39:54] I think I got most of it, but I think so here, if I can ask a question, a Rick or the

[1:40:00] gentleman for my kind, between now and the 28th, we can have our thoughts and come back

[1:40:06] on the 28th.

[1:40:07] Here's my question.

[1:40:08] Is there anything new that you're going to share with us on the 28th?

[1:40:14] If something new comes off, we will share it with you on the 28th.

[1:40:19] But at this point, we don't expect that.

[1:40:23] But you never know there may be some ideas or some information that we were not aware of.

[1:40:31] And as Joe has said, he's been reaching out to the abutters and getting their input as well,

[1:40:37] which we think is important. So, you know, we think we're 90% of the way there,

[1:40:46] and we just want to leave a little cushion for something else to come to our attention

[1:40:52] in the meantime. This is the follow-up. I'd like to know what the square footage on each of those.

[1:41:00] You might have mentioned it, I might have missed it, but what the square footage on each of those

[1:41:03] site's work. The square footage of the sites or the so the the West William site is just a

[1:41:13] little bit over an acre and the high point site is a little bit over three acres. I believe

[1:41:20] it's 3.2 acres. I'm sorry baby the square footage of the buildings.

[1:41:24] So the building square footage is are 15,100 for the town hall and 8,900 square feet

[1:41:34] for the police station.

[1:41:36] So when it's a combined building, it would be 24,000 square feet.

[1:41:41] The West Williams would be 15,000 square feet.

[1:41:44] Yes.

[1:41:45] Yes, I'm

[1:41:50] trying to keep an open mind.

[1:41:53] I just have West William Street in my mind is the perfect place for kids very to put

[1:42:01] me this one out of there with something in which is something that I want you to eat.

[1:42:06] That's pretty neat.

[1:42:08] So in my personal opinion is I'm leading more towards the high point lathe and I'm wondering

[1:42:17] if it would be possible to look at this as and I know you said too vague it wouldn't be possible

[1:42:23] to look at it in two phases a town hall and then later down the road during the police station.

[1:42:32] Yes it could be a phase project it will be more expensive over because of escalation

[1:42:40] but yes it definitely can be done it would likely need to be

[1:42:46] Well, yeah, it could be two buildings at that point or it could be a combination as we're

[1:42:55] showing.

[1:42:57] Well, final comment is that if you go to high point and the police do cough at the

[1:43:03] same time, and we build it all as one, the property and downtown vineyard haven't I'd like

[1:43:10] to know how it would be on the scope, but Rick went to hear maybe on the 28th, what we think that

[1:43:16] property will have the value of that property down down with being to

[1:43:22] sell it. Yeah, I mean we can

[1:43:25] look at the property records and we can also make some you know kind of inquiries as well just to get

[1:43:32] a sense and maybe bring a range back you know to you. But I think the I mean Mr. Chairman,

[1:43:41] your suggestion of just facing the project is exactly the kind of thing we were looking for,

[1:43:47] you know, this evening, and we can dive into that over the next couple of weeks and bring that back

[1:43:53] as a third option to consider at the meeting on the 28th. Be happy to do that.

[1:44:01] And we'll look into the police station potentially what its value might be.

[1:44:09] Okay, all right. Good job. Well, thank you. Thank you, Rick. Thank you, Mark. We appreciate

[1:44:18] the, you know, the information given us tonight. We'll see you on the 28th. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay.

[1:44:29] Back to our agenda, we're trying because we have an executive set, and let's see if we can

[1:44:38] community preservation is an idea for someone here for community preservation.

[1:44:44] That's for us.

[1:44:46] Those are our applications that are due on the 10th.

[1:44:51] So you go to submit them a select board.

[1:44:53] And those applications are, and they are affected.

[1:45:00] That would be the renovation of the kiosk, the information kiosk, the funds for the municipal housing

[1:45:12] trust and the some law.

[1:45:18] All right.

[1:45:19] We need to talk to a close motion to prove some move.

[1:45:24] We're going to try out second.

[1:45:25] Is there any other conversation?

[1:45:27] No, sir.

[1:45:28] We'll call both of you on the table.

[1:45:30] Hey, a lot.

[1:45:31] And we're going to try.

[1:45:34] You like to say anything about you from the cabinet policy at all?

[1:45:39] I think the other scheme.

[1:45:41] Yes.

[1:45:43] I would like to bring this up maybe the next meeting.

[1:45:48] Okay.

[1:45:49] I read through the policy and you post it online.

[1:45:52] Yes.

[1:45:52] And I'd like it.

[1:45:53] I'd like to be reviewed.

[1:45:55] Okay.

[1:45:55] I have a new job description for that one.

[1:45:58] Okay.

[1:45:59] If they do something, that's okay.

[1:46:02] I went in the 28.

[1:46:03] Yeah.

[1:46:03] If I go over there.

[1:46:05] Yeah.

[1:46:06] That's fine.

[1:46:06] Okay.

[1:46:09] That takes us to the kind of administrative report.

[1:46:14] Okay, it might not be very brief.

[1:46:16] We're starting to continue those conversations

[1:46:18] with us as far as shared services

[1:46:24] and how we're starting to move things forward.

[1:46:27] Most recently, we were approached by the open us

[1:46:31] animal control officer to enter and join MOUU

[1:46:35] to help with background.

[1:46:36] I mean, it comes time if someone's out of the office and if they can be in the office

[1:46:41] in a way that we can then insert the services and help for a lot of stuff.

[1:46:47] The MOU would like to enter in, we're working through getting the language consistent,

[1:46:50] so this is just that kind of pre-person, is that we're working through that process, trying

[1:46:55] to share services.

[1:46:58] And very briefly, too, you remember the old peer contract.

[1:47:04] When this came to, went out to bid, and it's been sitting for a few years, went out to

[1:47:11] bid toward the pure replacement in Owen Park and over two solicitations for bid.

[1:47:19] This went to Robert B. Howard Marine Division LLC.

[1:47:24] They were the successful low bid and responsible low bidder, $1,109,000 or $420,000 an age

[1:47:32] So that's a $9,000, $1,880, that project hasn't already been started.

[1:47:41] Materials have been ordered in the commencement completion dates.

[1:47:45] We estimate to be made 15th of March and we're available here.

[1:47:50] So we have contracts that we've already agreed to,

[1:47:54] prior meeting, we have contracts to sign for you to see.

[1:47:58] So that's that now.

[1:48:05] So we move along, we have a request for transfers from the shellfish struts, so this is Daniel

[1:48:15] or Dr. Bradford.

[1:48:18] Yeah, hi guys.

[1:48:20] I'm on Zoom right now.

[1:48:21] Yeah, basically, this is a request for an additional $7,000 to help pay for the concrete

[1:48:33] in the shellfish and harbor tents.

[1:48:38] Now we received, well, we got 15,000 from town meeting that we asked for last.

[1:48:47] Not this past, not this September town meeting, but the annual town meeting before.

[1:48:54] So this is just to pay

[1:48:59] for the concrete, because we want to make that area that works

[1:49:06] shared workspace a little bit nicer.

[1:49:14] Here we, where is this site?

[1:49:18] It's at the DPW, it's our tent, it's the harbor and shellfish shared.

[1:49:23] space. Yeah.

[1:49:28] So the annual town meeting, you were, we approved $15,000. Yeah.

[1:49:34] Asking for $7,000. Is that $7,000? Part of the one or in addition? In addition to.

[1:49:50] John, you have any other questions? No.

[1:49:56] Is that additional $7,000? Again, it's just for...

[1:50:02] Yeah, just for the concrete pad in that tent.

[1:50:08] I know it's sitting right now.

[1:50:09] I do all the work here.

[1:50:11] I'm going to work for each and that's inside.

[1:50:14] I'm going through the cap over it.

[1:50:16] It just makes it easier.

[1:50:19] No environmental concerns.

[1:50:22] If we didn't need to wear our boys and say for a tent,

[1:50:24] we ask them to do something like that.

[1:50:26] The employers think they'll get a greater attention

[1:50:28] the opportunity to get around.

[1:50:30] This way actually helps.

[1:50:34] John, does that make a motion?

[1:50:36] I'd like to make a motion where you'll prove the

[1:50:37] panther, but there's no fish from the

[1:50:39] Charlottes Trust.

[1:50:41] Will you share our second?

[1:50:42] Is there any other discussion?

[1:50:46] Before we close, Mr. Chair.

[1:50:48] Will you share the motion?

[1:50:50] Oh, sure.

[1:50:52] We'll call him, John.

[1:50:53] Take a lot.

[1:50:54] And we'll share.

[1:50:55] Yeah.

[1:50:55] Yeah, sorry, Kelly reminded me part of the processes here at his very is when we vote or when we take an action to sign a contract, we vote on here.

[1:51:07] That's my big difference. I said nothing was needed, so I'd like to just put the only our period contract back before the board to make a motion to sign a contract with Robert B.

[1:51:26] We are going to go into executive session in accordance with general mass general law, chapter 30, section 21, a paragraph 2 to be done for head decisions.

[1:51:51] in preparation for a go-jage, but not really personnel, or to be selected by argument sessions,

[1:51:59] or to contract the go-jage with non-use.

[1:52:04] Now, in the grievance filed by American Federation of State County and municipal employee,

[1:52:13] and we will not be returning to all of the sessions.

[1:52:19] We are not going to share about that.

[1:52:22] Yes, please.

[1:52:24] Now motion to go on to the next discussion.

[1:52:26] Okay, I'm going to connect this on the piece.

[1:52:29] Oh, hold on.

[1:52:29] We're going to hear our second in the further discussion.

[1:52:32] So it's going to be deep.

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