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[3:02] » bring

[3:04] a huge long email just

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[3:12] can't even read for a minute.

[3:18] » Good evening everyone. I'd like to

[3:20] recall the finance committee to order

[3:22] and we will continue our 2026 budget

[3:26] review.

[3:28] Uh before we get into

[3:32] our uh internal discussion,

[3:36] I would like to ask um

[3:39] director of our department of

[3:41] development and that's Alex Car

[3:46] to kind of brief us on a couple of

[3:48] outstanding items. The council member

[3:51] have

[3:56] last evening. Um

[3:59] there were two questions we need follow

[4:01] up with and those has to do with um

[4:07] the CBG

[4:09] surplus

[4:11] and CPG uh where is the money uh being

[4:15] lost in terms of the cause and if

[4:18] there's any surplus that within the

[4:22] various department within the city

[4:25] that is allowed

[4:27] other guidelines.

[4:28] >> Okay. One where it is log is we put out

[4:31] our annual action plan every year what

[4:33] our allocations are and we log in and IS

[4:37] which was our HUD financial system.

[4:41] So all of our funding is lost.

[4:43] We use those things when we bring forth

[4:46] an annual action plan every year as part

[4:48] of the 5-year consolidated plan. When I

[4:50] come and say these are our priorities

[4:52] and then every year we come based on

[4:55] applications we come before with you

[4:58] with proposals from approved

[4:59] applications amount that they apply for.

[5:05] No, you can't just take a surplus and

[5:08] reuse it and put it into the general

[5:10] fund. That's not how it um how it works

[5:15] and it has to align to the CURS and

[5:17] national objectives. So, anything that

[5:19] we do, we're going by HUD to say it's

[5:22] going to be, you know, one of the three

[5:25] national um objectives and it needs to

[5:27] be part of the city's priority. So, we

[5:29] would have to state that in the

[5:31] consolidated in the 5year consolidated

[5:34] plan.

[5:36] >> I know that sounds like a lot, right?

[5:39] >> So,

[5:42] we are not allowed to use it for any

[5:44] city project or any city cost. Well, you

[5:47] can if it aligns with what the price

[5:50] were that we outlined in our five-year

[5:52] plan.

[5:54] >> So meaning

[5:56] for example if you apply like we have

[6:00] when you say circle we have things that

[6:02] come every year that gets allocated to

[6:05] city projects whether it be development

[6:08] whether it be code whether it be

[6:09] engineering those things are those

[6:12] things come into the city from from

[6:14] those fundings. So for example, if we

[6:17] have something, I'll use this youth line

[6:21] for an example. We've identified in 2022

[6:24] during CO that we allocated funding for

[6:28] youth program that was never set up and

[6:30] never spent. Now, we've realized that

[6:34] the general fund is looking for money to

[6:36] fill the gap for the youth program that

[6:38] aligns with the national objectives and

[6:41] the priorities that we set forth in our

[6:45] consolidated plan for the city to fund

[6:47] youth activities and initiative, youth

[6:51] employment. So, that would align. So,

[6:54] it's not just it's not just anything.

[6:55] Again, don't give me your truck orders

[6:58] and all of those things. You have to

[7:00] move it down. We pass the other on

[7:04] like we're starting on a good note. I

[7:06] like this.

[7:07] >> Yeah. No, that's exactly what we wanted

[7:09] guidance from you in terms of can we use

[7:11] it for you? Can we use it for seniors

[7:14] because we have to fund it seniors

[7:16] before through CDBG

[7:18] >> and we still fund seniors. We we we fund

[7:21] the contract. Yes. But see those things

[7:25] are competitive applications. Yes.

[7:27] >> Right. So there's also caps that we have

[7:30] to abide by. See, we only can do a

[7:32] certain percentage amount of public

[7:35] service projects, a certain percentage

[7:37] of development projects, things that

[7:39] fall into what we designated as our NRSA

[7:43] area. So we do have caps for things like

[7:46] emergency shelter. We have cap. A

[7:48] certain amount of money can only go

[7:49] towards that. So when we're working our

[7:52] annual action plan and reallocating

[7:54] money, we still have to ensure that it

[7:57] falls within our cap. If we are looking

[7:59] at 2021 money or 2024 money, we have to

[8:03] go back and make sure if we're

[8:04] reallocating it to a different project

[8:06] that we don't exceed

[8:09] the percentages, the caps that we to

[8:12] remain in compliance.

[8:14] >> Question.

[8:15] So, first of all, thank you for paying

[8:18] attention throughout this process and

[8:19] looking for trying to figure out ways to

[8:22] support uh the youth program in

[8:24] particular. Um, it seems like like you

[8:26] um located some funds. Um, so I I really

[8:29] do appreciate that and I think that that

[8:32] um allows us to move past what would be

[8:34] a really stickler point for us in the

[8:35] budget cuz I don't I don't couldn't see

[8:37] myself supporting a budget that didn't

[8:39] support that. So I really want to

[8:40] explain

[8:41] >> and and it's transparency. Anytime we

[8:43] use any of the federal dollars that come

[8:45] out development, there's a substantial

[8:47] amount of reporting and accountability

[8:49] that has to occur. So if those if parks

[8:53] is going to be facilitating this youth

[8:57] program, they need to work with the

[8:58] department to make sure that they're

[9:00] doing quarterly reporting that we have

[9:01] the measurables that we need to report

[9:04] to us. So it's not as simple as we found

[9:06] money, we give you the money. there is reporting quarterly reporting

[9:11] um that is due to the department so that

[9:12] we can submit that to the federal

[9:14] government.

[9:15] >> So when we first started the program um

[9:18] what we did which we got away from which

[9:20] I would like to see us go back to was

[9:22] partnering with the county because the

[9:25] counties they had the the infrastructure

[9:29] and the reporting the reporting

[9:31] infrastructure that at the time aligned

[9:34] with kind of what you're talking about.

[9:35] So that's something that we might want

[9:37] to revisit just because I don't want to

[9:39] put more work on your department

[9:42] especially being you know helping us

[9:45] find the money for the

[9:46] >> parks parks. Okay

[9:50] for clarity for for parks cuz I but I do

[9:53] appreciate that. So my question is what

[9:55] so I was originally um before before

[9:59] these conversations were happening I was

[10:00] talking about using money for the golf

[10:02] court from the revenue from the golf

[10:04] course to support the youth line and in

[10:06] yesterday's conversation I was

[10:07] suggesting if we find the money and it

[10:09] seems like we have the money that's a

[10:11] line that we could use from CBDG funds

[10:14] what about our seniors is is is that are

[10:17] we in the same situation for seniors or

[10:18] could we or should we go look at using

[10:21] the revenue identified from the golf

[10:23] course or to support seniors.

[10:25] >> There are no funds that were previously

[10:27] allocated that align with senior

[10:30] services that haven't been expended.

[10:34] >> Okay.

[10:34] >> So, if there So, I can see that we used

[10:38] to partner with the county and some of

[10:40] the money that I found that we can use

[10:42] is money that the county never it was

[10:45] never set up. They never drawn down. So

[10:47] it aligns that that doesn't that there's

[10:50] no scenario that applies that way for to

[10:52] support seniors right now.

[10:54] >> Okay. So we can use the money from the

[10:55] golf course to do that.

[10:57] >> Go ahead.

[10:59] >> Um I just want to uh clarify. So what

[11:02] you're saying right now is that you did

[11:05] find the money for youth employment for

[11:07] this 2026 budget.

[11:09] >> So you already have um

[11:12] all of the uh CDBG. You you have a good

[11:15] sense already in this year of what might

[11:19] come back into your cup.

[11:21] >> No, I have a good sense of what could

[11:22] apply for the youth. What I did was I

[11:24] had my program account went through to

[11:26] see what did we allocate for youth

[11:28] services in previous years and that is

[11:31] what I'm able to use. But we're in the

[11:33] process of closing it out and we're and

[11:35] I'm talking about funds from 2021.

[11:39] So these are new funds. We're going back

[11:41] and doing some reconciliation in our

[11:43] department. Okay.

[11:44] >> To see what what's out there.

[11:46] >> That's great.

[11:47] >> Thank you. And I know that Mr. Misca had

[11:49] to do that reporting.

[11:52] >> He's he's done that kind of stuff

[11:53] before. So,

[11:54] >> do you have a number?

[11:57] >> There's 160,000, but I would like to

[12:00] keep the 10,000 to you as 150,000.

[12:05] >> I didn't ask for 150.

[12:07] >> I asked for I asked for 300, but okay.

[12:10] 150. Yes.

[12:11] >> I thought it was 150. It was but

[12:14] before so we currently fund the senior

[12:17] center through CDBG. So you're saying

[12:19] that they didn't expend all the money so

[12:21] they have funding available.

[12:22] >> The senior center doesn't they're asking

[12:24] for more money. Actually they they apply every year. So they applied

[12:29] for 20,000 they spent 20,000 and they're

[12:32] asking they're looking for more

[12:35] additional money but they're also

[12:36] working with the county to try to to

[12:38] fill the gap

[12:39] >> for this year for 2025. 2026.

[12:43] >> They applied for 20 Well, your 2026 is

[12:47] my 2025.

[12:48] >> Oh,

[12:48] >> okay.

[12:49] >> So, do we have something? Do we have

[12:50] >> So, we we we awarded them.

[12:55] >> We gave them

[12:57] >> what they asked for actually. So, let me

[13:00] just bring

[13:02] >> the 2026.

[13:03] >> It's their contract is effective October

[13:05] 1st. So the the the federal year is

[13:10] October 1st to September 30th, 2026. So

[13:14] we are right now awarding contracts,

[13:17] execution contracts right now. So the

[13:19] senior center

[13:30] » 24,000

[13:31] >> and that will take them into 2024.

[13:34] >> Okay.

[13:35] >> 2026.

[13:36] Yeah. Okay. So, we have

[13:38] >> Okay.

[13:40] >> Well, there are wait.

[13:41] >> Oh, go ahead. Sorry. And then I'll come

[13:43] back.

[13:46] » I only have a hand.

[13:48] >> Okay.

[13:49] >> It wasn't up to you. Um, so well, you

[13:52] asked one question I asked. So, it's 150

[13:54] allocated for the line.

[13:56] >> The senior line that you're talking

[13:57] about, you're only talking about the hy

[14:00] talking about the other senior satellite

[14:02] senior centers is what I'll call them.

[14:04] No, but I do see in our general budget,

[14:06] we do get a lot of invoices from

[14:08] Catholic Charities, but I don't have any

[14:11] authority over that. Those are just

[14:13] invoices that pass through my

[14:14] department, Catholic Charities invoice

[14:16] that comes out of general budget. So, I

[14:18] don't I haven't had a say so on how much

[14:20] or but I just know they pass through. I

[14:23] see the invoices and we submit them cuz

[14:25] it's been so what's been written out of

[14:27] our budget is those like

[14:28] >> Yes.

[14:30] That's correct.

[14:31] >> Do you Yes. Um this is this goes more to

[14:35] the revenue one. If you're not if you

[14:37] want to finish explaining what you have

[14:38] and then I'll ask about the revenue.

[14:42] >> No you are doing this. Thank you.

[14:44] >> You're making life easy for a lot of us

[14:46] here.

[14:48] >> Okay. Um last year this is uh now

[14:53] line A27A.

[14:57] » I'm sorry. What was I'm sorry. What was

[14:59] >> A270A?

[15:01] Sorry that so there's $100,000 um for

[15:05] the SNAP from CBG for SNAP

[15:08] >> right and now it's that was adopted 21

[15:11] >> page 10 that is now adopted budget for

[15:14] 2025 but not in 2026

[15:17] so

[15:19] has

[15:20] >> roughly

[15:22] $200,000 in CBBG funds from previous

[15:25] years that they have not invoiced

[15:28] department of development to draw down

[15:30] so they were not awarded this year.

[15:33] >> How much?

[15:34] >> 200,000.

[15:39] So they have from 2022 they have $2,559.

[15:45] From 2021 they have 100,000 that hasn't

[15:49] been set up.

[15:51] >> This is SNAP that you're talking about.

[15:53] >> Mhm.

[15:54] >> And for 2023 they have 100,000. So what

[15:58] about you haveund thou uh roughly

[16:01] $22,000

[16:03] in unspent funds which is why they were

[16:06] not funded.

[16:10] » So you don't see that in the line in the

[16:12] line but we see that CDBG our federal

[16:15] dollars don't always show up in general funds but we see it on on our

[16:20] side.

[16:22] >> Go ahead please. So, if we had something

[16:24] that fell under the code of SNAP

[16:28] neighborhood revitalization,

[16:30] would we be able to access that funding

[16:33] that you just said is still

[16:35] >> So, it's it's how it's not by title.

[16:37] It's how we defined it to HUD. So, it's

[16:39] really the clean up city owned property.

[16:42] So, stabilization and clean up of city

[16:43] own. Gotcha.

[16:45] >> So, that's what the title is, but it's

[16:46] how we

[16:47] >> with the description what we said we

[16:49] would do with those with that funding

[16:51] lines.

[16:52] So, um, so in that case, let's say we

[16:55] have staff that do that. Is it possible

[16:57] to leave some of that funding for like a

[16:59] percentage of it towards that staffing

[17:02] salary that does that particular work?

[17:04] >> Well, that's what it's for from SNAP.

[17:05] That that is what it's what they have.

[17:07] That money has been allocated to them to

[17:09] ODS and spend. They just have never

[17:12] invoiced.

[17:14] And it is not for clarity and

[17:16] transparency. It is not the government's

[17:18] job to invoice that. We fund them. and

[17:21] even internal

[17:23] allocations. There's reporting. You have

[17:26] to invoice. You have to submit those

[17:28] time sheets, the properties that you

[17:31] worked on. We we still have to submit

[17:32] those things to us. So, that is not

[17:34] something that my department would have

[17:36] autonomy over.

[17:38] >> Gotcha.

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[17:41] >> But that money is there.

[17:44] >> Commissioner, any clarity on that? How

[17:47] do we how do we move our getting the

[17:49] invoice from this department?

[17:52] >> Well, correct me if I'm wrong,

[17:55] Alex, but this is specifically has to be

[17:57] CDBG eligible uh to draw down, correct?

[18:01] >> Mhm.

[18:02] >> So most of So that when it's to be CDBG

[18:06] eligible needs to fall into it needs to

[18:08] fall into a low moderate income area in

[18:10] our neighborhood revitalization strategy

[18:13] area. 85% of our city is that you know

[18:16] what I'm saying

[18:18] >> if not all

[18:20] >> right

[18:21] >> well between the the two designations

[18:23] that we have

[18:26] >> so

[18:28] I think

[18:31] >> so so what I'm hearing is that that we

[18:33] have like over $200,000 that could

[18:35] conceivably that's money from back from

[18:38] two 2021 that we could conceivably bring

[18:41] forward use towards

[18:44] um in Yes.

[18:48] >> Okay.

[18:50] Thank you.

[18:51] >> They may have had mentioned um

[18:55] a a day or two ago that you're you're

[18:58] looking to hire a an agency to help take

[19:02] note of um

[19:05] afford those property. So what we did

[19:07] this year is that 100,000 that would

[19:09] typically go to SNAP because they also

[19:12] identified to us last year that they

[19:13] didn't have the capacity to clean out

[19:16] the city owned properties

[19:18] >> as quick as we want to put them out. So

[19:20] we took that 100,000 and we allocated

[19:22] that to department of development so

[19:24] that we do have more control. we can bid

[19:27] that and we can clean up our property so

[19:29] that they're safe for the realtor um to

[19:32] access so that that clean up if we make

[19:34] it snowing mowing

[19:37] you know all of those things to make it

[19:40] look good in the community we're going

[19:42] to board them up nicely secure them and maintain them. So, we took that one

[19:47] in so we can have more control to make

[19:49] sure they get done cuz we know that the sell the properties that we have,

[19:53] the mayor wants to get them out and list

[19:56] them. But we've we've gotten a lot of

[19:58] complaints from our realtors that the

[20:00] properties are in the best condition or

[20:02] safe to enter. So,

[20:03] >> right.

[20:04] >> And we heard that decision is informed

[20:07] by the information that we've been

[20:08] hearing from our neighborhood meetings

[20:10] with the nonprofit plan.

[20:11] >> Right.

[20:12] >> Yeah.

[20:14] No, I was going to say so it sounds like

[20:15] that money needs to remain in your

[20:17] department. So so you have the autonomy

[20:19] and can make those decisions and make

[20:20] sure that 100,000 that's going to be for

[20:23] that's allocated for 2526 are here

[20:26] >> is is us but that is not taken away from

[20:29] what SNAP still

[20:30] >> but right that was my point but the

[20:33] 200,000 is still there.

[20:35] >> Okay go ahead.

[20:37] >> When will when will that 200,000 not be

[20:39] available or to be invoiced to you? Will

[20:42] that ever go away?

[20:43] >> HUD gives us five years

[20:47] to spend.

[20:48] >> No. What year?

[20:49] >> No. This This 200,000 The 200,000. Oh,

[20:52] yeah. It'll be

[20:54] >> This is starting This is going back to

[20:56] 21. Yes.

[20:59] >> We need to spend it.

[21:01] >> Go ahead. So, it sounds like you're

[21:03] recouping some of these funds so that

[21:05] your department has more management and

[21:07] oversight over it. Um, so then what

[21:09] functions outside of that 85% of the

[21:12] buildings that rely on the city is this

[21:14] apartment still going to be responsible

[21:15] for conducting?

[21:18] >> I'm not clear on a question. I'm sorry.

[21:20] Council member,

[21:21] >> if you're maintaining the properties,

[21:22] what's not doing for the 15% of the

[21:24] properties that are eligible?

[21:26] >> Well, we're going to maintain the

[21:27] properties moving forward, but there's

[21:29] plenty of properties that are still on

[21:30] our roll that need to be addressed. And

[21:33] even when SNAP goes out, when we get a

[21:35] complaint, and I'll use this for an

[21:36] example, if somebody does a click, see C

[21:40] click C and they got a bill remove

[21:43] debris

[21:44] >> right

[21:44] >> from the front of the house and it's on

[21:46] Easter, the time that they spent is

[21:48] billable um from CDBG, that's that's

[21:52] addressing the issue. So

[21:54] >> Mhm. I think there's some um flexibility

[21:58] on how they they spend that money out

[21:59] because it's not just for city own city

[22:03] owned properties that are going for

[22:04] sale.

[22:06] >> So William sir I mean looking at that

[22:10] you're hiring a consultant to help with

[22:13] property. So that's taking away

[22:15] responsibility from staff.

[22:16] >> Are you hiring

[22:18] the company? just we're bidding it out.

[22:21] So we get a contractor that know we can

[22:22] get the address.

[22:25] >> So that is taking away responsibility

[22:28] from this department.

[22:30] >> Yes.

[22:31] >> But they said they didn't have the

[22:32] capacity. So it's it's like work wasn't

[22:34] being done. It's essentially

[22:38] >> they've been they've been doing it but

[22:40] not as not not as fast. Snap doesn't

[22:42] have the manpower to do them as fast as

[22:45] it should be done to maintain what they

[22:48] regularly would do. M

[22:49] >> in the city owned properties.

[22:52] >> So what we need to do is look in our

[22:53] budget to see how we can reallocate the

[22:55] 200,000 that is existing now to see

[22:58] along and and see how we could do that

[23:01] with as long as being in line with the

[23:03] HUD uh parameters.

[23:05] >> I don't think we need to reallocate

[23:06] that. It's already

[23:07] >> not reallocated but

[23:09] >> well no expense.

[23:11] >> No. So, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm

[23:14] scared. SNAP, in other words, moving

[23:16] forward, that $100,000 is going to come

[23:20] back into development, right? So, we got

[23:21] that. However, there is $200,000

[23:24] existing right now within SNAP that they

[23:27] have not invoiced for.

[23:29] >> Correct.

[23:30] >> So, and that money is only good for 5

[23:32] years.

[23:33] >> So, so we could repurpose,

[23:36] we could I'm looking for the right term.

[23:39] We could reuse that money as long as it

[23:42] falls within the parameters of what we

[23:43] expressed originally.

[23:47] Is that correct?

[23:49] >> So would it make sense to use it to

[23:51] offset some of the snapsh the money

[23:54] there for that?

[23:55] >> This is where I'm going.

[23:56] >> So as that makes that

[23:59] that's the that was the intention.

[24:01] >> Okay. All right. And this year we really

[24:03] need that. So we can use this 210,000

[24:06] >> 206

[24:10] for those right there.

[24:12] >> $22,559

[24:17] » that we can use now for

[24:19] >> Yes. In that category. So, can I just

[24:23] So, in other words, right now, Miss

[24:26] Carver, in the 2026 projected budget,

[24:30] there's zero on CDBG snack neighborhood

[24:35] revitalization. So, just to try to close

[24:37] this part of the conversation, we could

[24:40] put $200,000

[24:43] in that line instead of

[24:45] >> that. Well, this is old funds that

[24:47] you're spending down. I wouldn't put

[24:49] that in. It's already there. This is old money that would have showed

[24:55] up in previous years that hasn't been

[24:57] spent. I don't know how to

[24:59] >> Well, but but we're trying to we're

[25:01] obviously trying to increase our revenue

[25:03] side of this budget. And so right now

[25:05] that says zero for us. Um so that

[25:09] 200,000 that you're talking about is not

[25:11] showing up anywhere for us. That will be

[25:13] a commissioner. So what I'm saying is

[25:15] can I take the zeroiz

[25:19] » but if we put if we used it to support

[25:22] salaries that

[25:24] >> that are that no in other words if we

[25:28] use that money to support salaries right

[25:31] now or or portion of salaries that are

[25:33] being um drawn from the general fund

[25:36] then that 200,000 would essentially th

[25:39] show up in our general fund because not

[25:41] we wouldn't be use we'll be using this

[25:43] 200k instead taking money for the

[25:44] general fund.

[25:46] >> Okay. Everything works out correctly.

[25:48] >> Well, well, if she's saying that we

[25:49] could use it for salaries as long as

[25:52] there's SNAP salaries then

[25:55] >> Yeah. So, let's do that.

[25:57] >> Well, it is it is.

[25:59] >> Yeah. So, let's do that.

[26:00] >> So, that means the the tracking OS would

[26:03] have to track the addresses and the time

[26:06] to make sure that they are in the

[26:08] designated areas, which could be

[26:10] cumbersome for men that are out in the

[26:13] field. I know Chris expressed that

[26:14] before. You know, they're out in the

[26:16] field tracking it and I don't want to

[26:19] speak for his department, but

[26:22] yeah.

[26:23] >> Um, but if they're So, my understanding

[26:26] of if they don't randomly go, they

[26:27] already know where they're assigned. So,

[26:29] we know before they ever went there that

[26:31] it's in

[26:32] Goose Hill, I'll just use that. Or it's

[26:34] in Hamilton and North NRSA CDG. So, when

[26:39] they assigned where to go clean up, they

[26:41] would know ahead of time. So they it's

[26:43] not like the people on the ground would

[26:46] have to capture that their supervisor

[26:48] like look and say okay this is in that

[26:50] area and this can be assigned to that

[26:52] person going to do it.

[26:54] >> Okay. I'm not it's not my department so

[26:56] I'm not it's privy to you know their

[26:59] process and how they how they do things.

[27:02] >> So um would OGS have to invoice that

[27:06] money every time they went? So it's it's

[27:08] not like it's

[27:10] >> not every time.

[27:11] >> Okay. But they didn't they didn't do it

[27:13] quarterly,

[27:14] >> you know.

[27:15] >> But it still has to be invoiced. So

[27:17] money could still just be invoiced. And

[27:20] >> right

[27:22] I'm sorry. They could still not

[27:23] >> the money could just still be there if it's not invoiced because nothing's

[27:27] been used or invoiced. And do is there

[27:29] any outstanding invoices they might have

[27:31] that they didn't put through to you in

[27:33] the past 2 or 3 years?

[27:34] >> Now we've been in communication with

[27:37] them council. So if they know that they

[27:39] could invoice, it's just

[27:42] >> they haven't. And I I'm sure there's

[27:44] some obstacles that they're facing and

[27:46] there's a valid reason why they haven't.

[27:49] >> I can't speak to them, but so it might

[27:51] not even be there if they if they have

[27:53] invoices. They just haven't put

[27:55] >> I doubt that they had invoices for that

[27:57] many years. So depending I think that

[27:59] they would probably use funds that were

[28:01] more still readily available to them. So

[28:04] for fun, so you're talking about this

[28:06] 26,000. Where is this one?

[28:08] >> 200.

[28:12] » John, just say 200. Let's Let's leave

[28:14] her a little Let's leave her a little in

[28:17] case somebody does something this year.

[28:20] >> It's not in the general fund. That's why

[28:21] it's not here.

[28:22] >> It's not in the general. It's It's not

[28:24] in the general fund because it hasn't

[28:26] been set up yet. So it's been allocated.

[28:29] In order for commissioner and his team

[28:31] to see it, we have to set it up and tell

[28:34] them we've set it up and do the PO

[28:36] process. These funds are allocated from

[28:40] our annual action plan but not set up in

[28:43] the

[28:44] >> So this makes a little too much in the

[28:47] weeds for us.

[28:47] >> How many how many more funds do we have

[28:49] like this in the cloud?

[28:53] in your work.

[28:54] >> Back to my father in the money tree in

[28:56] the backyard.

[28:56] >> Because if we have $200,000 hair in the

[28:59] cloud,

[29:01] >> how much more funding do we have that we

[29:03] are not utilizing from CDPG over the

[29:05] last four or five years?

[29:07] >> Well, I wouldn't say we're not you

[29:10] utilizing it. The funding that I'm I'm

[29:12] seeing is really impact from CO, right?

[29:16] It's not that we're not it's not that

[29:18] we're not utilizing it. And now that we

[29:20] have a full team, it gives us an

[29:22] opportunity to really dive in and close

[29:25] out projects. So close out projects,

[29:28] understand what hasn't been set up, but

[29:30] allocated. It's it's complex and I'm not

[29:33] expecting you in the next 5 minutes to

[29:35] really understand, but our HUD funding

[29:38] has a HUD system that we

[29:41] >> that we use. Our general funds has a

[29:43] general fund system. It is it is

[29:46] separate.

[29:48] If before I go, I just have a follow up

[29:49] there. So, can we can we get a report of

[29:54] all the outstanding

[29:55] >> there there is no report yet because my

[29:57] team as I said council we're we're

[30:00] working through this. We're trying to

[30:03] >> But do you have something to say that we

[30:05] can spend on from 2021 to now there is a

[30:09] balance of what we need for what I you

[30:13] can't work on it because it has to be

[30:15] part of what? No, no, no, no.

[30:18] 2021 to now fun and it's not spend

[30:22] enough

[30:24] that needs that need actions.

[30:27] >> I will I will get you something.

[30:30] >> Go ahead.

[30:31] >> That's not a That's not a function

[30:33] though.

[30:35] If I go through and do all that, it has

[30:37] to be a we have to now put that out to

[30:41] the public. That can't be something that

[30:43] I say these are the funds that we have

[30:46] in city council. There's a substantial

[30:48] amendment. It's a process. I can't say

[30:50] these are the funds and then city

[30:51] council decides where this money goes

[30:53] because it's community development money

[30:55] that needs to go into the community and

[30:58] the community has to say so and then we

[31:00] do a public notice and then we have a um

[31:04] >> grants grant applications.

[31:05] >> We have the applications and then we we

[31:08] have the public camera. So, it's not I

[31:11] can do that, but it's not something that

[31:13] city council can say we can move this

[31:15] money, we can do that money. We cannot x

[31:17] out the public um responsibility

[31:22] for that.

[31:23] >> So, okay. So, let's get back to this

[31:26] $200,000

[31:28] that we know is here.

[31:29] >> We understand the intended function of

[31:32] it. It was not used in the timeline that

[31:35] we originally expected, but right now

[31:37] we're looking at $200,000

[31:40] with a clear purpose that we can use it

[31:43] for as long as it stays within these

[31:45] parameters. So, so we should the council

[31:49] should look into

[31:52] what what positions that we have in the

[31:55] city right now that are working in a to

[31:59] this aligned function of what this

[32:01] $200,000 was. So, we have someone who

[32:04] salary is $70,000

[32:07] and they're doing this the type of work

[32:10] that falls under this umbrella, then

[32:13] that's $70,000 that doesn't have to come

[32:16] from our general fund that we could use

[32:18] this this $200,000 to fund that

[32:21] position. So, that would be a plus of

[32:24] $200,000. I think that's what we need to

[32:26] focus on right now and then we could

[32:28] look to the next thing.

[32:30] >> I would agree with that. um that we got

[32:32] to do,

[32:34] >> but I have no You never look down here.

[32:37] >> The money was waiting down.

[32:41] >> Um so I'm just going to yell out. Um so

[32:44] I have I agree with that because I don't

[32:46] think like what Miss Carver said, we can

[32:48] like look at all the money because as we

[32:50] what we talked about yesterday, maybe

[32:51] you weren't even here, Miss Carver. I

[32:53] think it was specifically said that CDBG

[32:56] has specific parameters and guidelines

[32:58] and we have to say within those

[33:00] >> and a citizen participation and

[33:03] partition and beyond these seven

[33:04] citizens.

[33:06] >> Uh so so I would agree with you that my

[33:09] further question though about the budget

[33:11] as the revenue is that the 100,000 that

[33:15] was you took back in house to 2 million

[33:18] um through receipts through the

[33:19] department of development. I see that

[33:21] last year we allocated 570,000 on the CG

[33:25] VG line for the department and this year

[33:28] same amount. So I was so the question

[33:32] for me became how that so that 570,000

[33:38] are our admin costs the whole the SNAP

[33:43] money that 100,000 is not ad is not

[33:46] development admin. So we didn't

[33:48] reallocate it for admin. we've

[33:50] reallocated to bid bid it out for a

[33:53] project. Okay. So that's why it is not

[33:55] reflected there. Thank you for

[33:57] clarification.

[34:01] » Go ahead please.

[34:01] >> But again I just want to say for we all

[34:05] 200,000 which I'm now I'm rounding down

[34:09] won't be able to remember the exact

[34:10] figure that you keep saying but we have

[34:13] to go through a process. No,

[34:15] >> no, we don't have

[34:16] >> not

[34:18] if we do. No, not for

[34:21] keep it if we keep it the same. That's

[34:24] already

[34:25] >> Okay, that was my first question when we

[34:27] first started this.

[34:29] >> This is already allocated to the city.

[34:31] It's already allocated.

[34:33] It's already

[34:35] >> It's already allocated. We've already

[34:37] allocated that funding.

[34:38] >> But we need in the budget. Is that what

[34:41] you're saying? I don't know if we need I

[34:43] don't know that far that's outside

[34:44] >> this is a this is a commissioner a

[34:46] commissioner question but that's where I

[34:48] think you were jo kind of joking about

[34:50] it being in the cloud but can look can

[34:52] we just cut to the question that I'm

[34:56] just trying to find the answer for

[34:58] >> you so your question can we just say

[35:02] okay instead of zero in the 2026 budget

[35:06] on that line can we right now all fill

[35:09] in on our budget $200,000 specifically

[35:12] for SNAP

[35:12] >> for SNAP.

[35:14] >> Okay. And then you guys, we don't have

[35:16] to worry about, you know, Mr. Lefon

[35:19] putting in invoices, etc., etc. That's

[35:21] all internal staff, uh, kinds of stuff.

[35:25] But that's the answer to this question.

[35:28] >> Yeah. But things that the 200,000 coming

[35:30] into the line, it will reduce, um, the

[35:33] general fund by $200,000,

[35:36] >> right? 816. A

[35:38] >> right game is

[35:40] >> A1621 that line is 156. What is that?

[35:44] >> So under snap

[35:46] >> A621 100 we can use that $200,000

[35:51] salary. So we'll just need a revenue in

[35:57] >> 200,000's available that goes back to

[35:58] the general fund.

[36:00] >> So just make yourself not I still have

[36:02] the time. This is why we called you

[36:04] here.

[36:05] >> What page was that? 16

[36:06] >> that is page 25. So

[36:08] >> thank you.

[36:08] >> That is something that we can make um

[36:11] >> recommendations.

[36:13] >> Ah I see what you're saying.

[36:14] >> Any other question for uh while we got

[36:16] the unit

[36:18] >> Mr. Williams?

[36:19] >> Okay.

[36:20] >> I mean although practically for us our

[36:22] involvement in this process does not

[36:24] extend beyond this conversation. There

[36:26] needs to be internal discussions to

[36:28] ensure that that process is done

[36:30] otherwise we just $300,000.

[36:34] So that is a further discussion that

[36:36] does not include us but that needs to

[36:38] happen. How do we ensure that that

[36:39] happens?

[36:40] >> Yeah and that's exactly I will I make

[36:42] myself not about that. I will follow up

[36:44] to make sure that we capture from 2021

[36:46] to now you know current period. So what

[36:50] is available what needs to spend off and

[36:52] things like that so we don't have any

[36:53] money lingering as a commissioner says

[36:55] in the 12

[36:59] » let me just

[37:01] can finish. Oh, go ahead.

[37:04] >> But I think what Mr. Williams is saying,

[37:05] how do we ensure because right now we're

[37:07] in this position because it was not

[37:09] dropped down. There were no invoices

[37:11] sent. So what she

[37:13] >> what Mr. Williams is saying is how do we

[37:16] ensure city invoices are submitted? I

[37:18] mean we we can't do that. We as council

[37:20] that's not our responsibility but what

[37:23] system gets put into place I guess I'll

[37:25] look at you what system gets put in

[37:27] place so that the invoices are said so

[37:30] the money gets spent or we could be

[37:32] having the same conversation again next

[37:33] year

[37:35] >> again money won't get spent

[37:38] >> again I just feel like that's an

[37:40] internal I think Mr. Williams just said

[37:42] it. I'm repeating now what you just

[37:44] said, which I was trying to say earlier,

[37:46] which is that's an internal staffing

[37:48] decision. If we can use the $200,000,

[37:52] let's put the $200,000 in our budget.

[37:54] Let's let uh commissioner and our

[37:58] director of development speak with Mr.

[38:00] Leond or whatever. I mean, is there a

[38:02] deadline in 2026 because that's the

[38:05] 5year mark, right? Um is there like a is

[38:08] it March 20th? Is it August 17th?

[38:11] We should let them figure that out. Um,

[38:14] but we the answer to our question is

[38:16] yes, we can put that $200,000 into the

[38:18] snap line.

[38:19] >> Yeah, but but it's our responsibility

[38:22] too because if we didn't call back here,

[38:26] none of us would be aware there is

[38:28] $200,000

[38:29] packing there. So, I think we need Yeah,

[38:33] we can't we can't direct them what to

[38:34] do, but we need to be informed of what's

[38:36] going on. I mean there are things like

[38:38] this outside there

[38:40] commissioner of finance and department

[38:42] of development director

[38:44] they need to help each other and get it

[38:47] sort of able to spend all this money.

[38:49] >> Yeah, I was just going to say let's let's look to put that money into that line and then and this seems

[38:56] like this was something that happened

[38:57] before you were even in the position

[38:59] that you're in now. I have all the

[39:01] confidence in your ability to make sure

[39:03] that we don't lose $200,000 for somebody

[39:05] to put in a receipt. I'm sure you can do

[39:07] that. Let's go

[39:09] >> before Miss Park as well. Boom.

[39:13] >> All right. Go ahead.

[39:14] >> Okay. So, my other Can we leave that

[39:15] line?

[39:17] >> Mr. Mun, are you asking me to

[39:19] >> Does everybody think that we finalized

[39:21] that discussion on that one?

[39:22] >> It's going to go in 8 months.

[39:24] >> Here's my next question for Miss Carver

[39:26] and it is regarding the homes revenue,

[39:29] the sale of homes. So, the budget as a

[39:33] um I have to find it. Sorry.

[39:36] forget about revenue right?

[39:38] >> Yep. I want to make sure that that

[39:40] revenue line is realistic.

[39:42] >> 26

[39:50] » uh 260 I don't have 26.

[39:53] >> Okay. Oh, I've got it. Okay.

[39:56] >> Uhoop.

[39:58] >> Yeah. Okay, I got it now. Thank you. Um,

[40:00] so we've projected

[40:02] in 2026 budget

[40:07] >> $3 million in revenue from the homes

[40:09] program. And at the same time,

[40:13] I'm sorry, I just got to go to this one

[40:15] now. 535.

[40:17] >> Thank you. Year to date.

[40:18] >> What? Say it again, please.

[40:19] >> 1,535 year to date as of

[40:23] >> which probably doesn't include

[40:25] >> probably since last September.

[40:26] >> Yeah. So we still have a little bit more

[40:28] revenue than million. So, we talked

[40:30] about this a little bit the last time

[40:31] when I was hearing the mayor gave

[40:33] clarity that we have major projects, the

[40:35] Sketch D40 project and um housing in

[40:38] Roderdam that is still the sales of that

[40:41] is still pending.

[40:42] >> Um so,

[40:43] >> okay. Just wanted to make sure before we

[40:46] >> the conversation with the mayor said

[40:48] more likely we will be close to the

[40:51] estimated for this year. Okay. and then

[40:53] we may have um one project rolled over

[40:56] into next year with a size of money in

[40:59] the 2022.

[41:00] >> Okay. Thank you.

[41:02] >> Thank you. Um there are some uh notes

[41:05] out there putting that projection at 4.5

[41:09] million. Does that seem realistic to you

[41:11] from 3 to 4.5?

[41:14] Not not based on our current foreclosure

[41:16] list. That's our think that we have

[41:18] enough properties to satisfy that.

[41:21] Gotcha. I did ask last night for

[41:24] preparation council to put those

[41:26] together expecting foreclosures the two

[41:30] six or seven this year but next year two

[41:32] forclosure is coming.

[41:34] >> Yeah. No anyor

[41:38] let me recap that pre-forclosure that is

[41:41] going to happen into next year plus the one of the sizable sale property or

[41:47] two into next year.

[41:49] and two next year. So that will

[41:51] roll over into next year sale. So we

[41:54] have three sales before sale into next

[41:57] year. Plus if the two major project

[42:00] doesn't happen this year, it will roll

[42:02] over into next year. That's how I factor

[42:03] my number and ask. No, I'm going to

[42:06] clarify it because we did listen to the

[42:09] corporation council. We did talk about

[42:11] it and why am I protecting that one?

[42:14] because of two project and because of

[42:16] the the pre foreclosure that's happening

[42:18] next year.

[42:19] >> So do you wish to stick with your 4.5?

[42:22] >> I am sticking with the same estimate

[42:24] from this year into next year.

[42:25] >> So again you think that 4.5 in revenue

[42:29] in that line instead of 3 million is

[42:32] realistic for your staff to achieve

[42:35] >> as I previously stated.

[42:38] I do not think that that is a realistic

[42:41] number based on the list the information

[42:43] that I've been provided on.

[42:45] >> That's okay. I just wanted to clarify

[42:46] it. Okay. Thank you.

[42:51] » Any other questions? Go ahead please.

[42:53] >> So I would say is that 3 million on that

[42:55] same line a conservative projection or

[42:58] to Mr. Lar's point is there room with

[43:01] the information that you're avail that

[43:02] you have available and that you feel

[43:03] comfortable sharing with council that we

[43:05] can go over? I think that's a law. A law

[43:08] should be involved in that because they

[43:10] are the ones that track that list.

[43:12] Council member, we get the list from

[43:14] law.

[43:15] >> Thank you.

[43:16] >> Yeah, we did hear we heard from

[43:18] corporation council that you know in

[43:20] terms of the foreclosure in terms of how

[43:22] much in the pipeline and that's how the

[43:24] factoring and the two pro the two

[43:26] housing project the party and then the

[43:29] sale and relevant those were high high

[43:32] volume sales. Mhm.

[43:37] There was a question in the email that

[43:39] the commissioner said that he had

[43:41] another question about the code.

[43:44] Yeah, that's right. Sorry if that caught

[43:46] me.

[43:48] That was again that um

[43:54] where and I think it's a similar

[43:56] situation has to um for line 17c

[44:01] enforcement we had 100,000 in revenue

[44:04] and right now

[44:09] » so they did not

[44:15] » yes

[44:16] but they haven't been drawn down. So

[44:18] they for this upcoming year they still

[44:21] were awarded 100,000 but they have

[44:24] 206,000

[44:25] that need to be drawn down.

[44:28] >> So there's 260 now that code if possibly

[44:31] they can use in the code doing their

[44:34] >> Yeah. And and I I support that reasoning

[44:37] with putting it in here because I think

[44:38] it helps us um be accountable. that kind

[44:42] of ease the conversation with

[44:45] commissioner and I to work with our

[44:47] internal you know departments our

[44:49] colleagues to say we we got to we got to

[44:52] speak it down because it's in it's in

[44:54] black and white so I'm sorry the number

[44:56] is

[44:57] >> yes 206

[44:59] >> go ahead

[44:59] >> so again I'm just trying to clarify are

[45:03] we all hearing and Miss Carver correct

[45:05] me if I'm wrong that line 217

[45:11] >> what page

[45:12] It's on page 10.

[45:15] » Same thing the CBB fee stuff that we

[45:17] were just

[45:20] >> So if we wanted to instead of that line

[45:23] being $100,000,

[45:25] could we make that line $300,000?

[45:28] >> Decrease their expenditure in the

[45:30] expenditure part.

[45:32] >> Reduce the um if you go to the budget

[45:35] part, you increase the revenue by

[45:37] 206,000. I'm going to say 200,000 again.

[45:40] and cultural

[45:42] put enforcement and we use that for um

[45:46] so we release $200,000 into the general

[45:48] fund again there so that another

[45:50] $200,000 into the general fund.

[45:52] >> Mhm.

[45:53] >> May I ask something?

[45:54] >> That's why I asked the question. How

[45:55] much do we have?

[45:56] >> I'm just I'm just trying to clarify it.

[45:57] So

[45:57] >> the only reason we're able to do this is

[46:00] because it's already allocated to us.

[46:03] There's already a resolution in place.

[46:06] This has already been approved. this

[46:08] already went through the citizen

[46:10] participation plan. All of those things

[46:12] >> over time.

[46:14] >> Yes.

[46:14] >> That we can

[46:17] >> I just want the record to reflect that

[46:19] we're not operating outside of

[46:22] >> how we should

[46:24] it's already allocated to us. It's

[46:26] already allocated for this purpose. It's

[46:28] just

[46:28] >> I am so thankful that you're here.

[46:32] >> So that's adding 200.

[46:33] >> Go ahead. But but also to the point is

[46:35] that I want to make sure we're not

[46:36] getting ahead of ourselves expecting a

[46:38] different outcome after any significant

[46:40] changes. I'm confident that Miss Con Mr.

[46:43] Book can do their jobs to advise the

[46:46] standards, they're not going to be

[46:48] chasing me. They can assist. They can

[46:51] assist. But if there is not an

[46:53] intentional direction from the mayor's

[46:56] office that this is going to be a

[46:57] priority, we will have a bigger

[47:01] into next year. So without that

[47:03] reassurance

[47:05] I don't feel comfortable. You can put 9

[47:07] in that you put 900,000 that fine but if

[47:10] the work doesn't get done the funds

[47:12] don't get replenished into the council

[47:14] and we get replenished into the the

[47:17] general fund.

[47:18] >> Well but let me clarify you can use this

[47:21] for salary.

[47:22] >> Okay that's

[47:23] >> so they have to draw it off the salary.

[47:25] So it's not like a you know time sheet

[47:27] has to be submitted and things like that

[47:28] but that's more you make it more you

[47:31] simplify it more rather than having to

[47:32] go submit invoice and submit how many

[47:35] times they spend out on the in the field

[47:37] is more of a time sheet I would say

[47:39] assumptions are

[47:41] >> well no that's not

[47:42] >> it's not an assumption

[47:44] time sheets will still be required where

[47:47] they the how where they did their time

[47:49] that still applies it has to be in one

[47:52] of our designated

[47:55] into a system, right? That can't just

[47:56] float.

[47:57] >> Both both things are true. Both things

[48:00] are true. If you use it for these these

[48:03] identified lines like the A1621,

[48:05] then they're going to pull a salary from

[48:07] that line. People are going to have to

[48:08] get paid. But what Miss Carver and and Mr. Williams are both saying is that

[48:14] after people or while the people are

[48:17] getting paid, we still have to make sure

[48:18] we're in compliance with that. And the

[48:19] way to do that is with the appropriate

[48:20] reporting structure. So that's they're

[48:23] both things are true. So, we just looks

[48:25] like we can put almost $400,000 back

[48:27] into our general fund if we use this for

[48:29] salaries. Okay, good news.

[48:31] >> Yeah.

[48:32] >> What line are you looking to add this

[48:34] to?

[48:34] >> Uh code enforcements for salary.

[48:37] >> It's not just salaries. It's a it's

[48:40] about it's in it's written written with

[48:42] HUD that it's a program. So, what is

[48:45] reimburseable is when they go out they

[48:47] do notices for um pole violations.

[48:51] >> That that is that is how it is written. So only the sal work

[48:56] does those salaries are reimburseable

[48:58] when they do that direct work. So my

[49:02] team we have a policy and procedure the

[49:05] community development supervisor join me

[49:07] tonight. We can you know be intentional

[49:10] about meeting with the team again and

[49:13] kind of going over what's expected

[49:15] because we just did this with code and

[49:17] it's it's not as easy um as it may seem to be. there there is going to be a

[49:23] little bit of work into it but that was

[49:26] the whole purpose oh I'm sorry Mr. Shaw

[49:27] I keep saying your hand but that was the

[49:30] whole purpose of actually assigning CDG

[49:32] money to code enforcement to do those

[49:34] particular things and to use towards

[49:36] those salons for doing particular things

[49:38] that's just not happening because

[49:40] there's no I I won't say there's no

[49:42] system in place

[49:43] >> I I will say that it's not being done

[49:45] whether and if not there should be a

[49:47] system in place and I don't know Mr.

[49:49] Mayor and how we are We can force it. I

[49:52] mean, we put them into the into the

[49:54] salary line to draw down a salary to get

[49:55] their time sheet to go and issue

[49:57] certain, you know, whatever it was

[49:59] whatever they need to draw them against,

[50:01] they need to go ahead and do it and get

[50:03] this money and spend

[50:05] >> and follow follow the the the

[50:07] application.

[50:07] >> We lost Roberta and Robera and Co used

[50:10] to do this. So, there was already a

[50:12] backlog and then and then there was a

[50:15] transition. So that's part of the reason

[50:18] why those funds haven't been sent back.

[50:23] >> Yeah. Go ahead.

[50:25] >> So and we also have to remember, excuse

[50:27] me, we have three total officers moving

[50:29] forward that are presently there with

[50:31] two supervisors. So sending individuals

[50:34] out into the field. I don't know how

[50:36] much it trust me I'm happy that we can

[50:38] get money back into for you know going

[50:40] out to doing these things. is the money

[50:43] from code 2021 as well. That is

[50:48] multiple years. So you have 2022 of

[50:52] 100,000 that commissioner doesn't see

[50:55] because it is not set up

[50:56] >> right know complexities to it. So I'm

[51:00] not expecting you to understand but we

[51:02] haven't set it up in our HUD system but

[51:04] it was allocated. And then we had a

[51:07] 100,000 from 2024

[51:11] and they have a balance of 6,342

[51:15] from 2023.

[51:19] Any idea why it was done some years not

[51:23] other years? Um staffing I mean and and

[51:30] is is there's a complexity when we talk

[51:33] about the federal dollars in the

[51:34] systems, right? So you have to you use

[51:36] the oldest money first. So we can award

[51:39] you in 2025, but if you have money in

[51:42] 2021 when we draw down, we got to draw

[51:44] down that oldest money because

[51:46] >> the time is ticking and they'll rec

[51:49] recapture it so it doesn't in

[51:52] transition. You know, I'm not making I'm

[51:54] not making it doesn't make sense why

[51:56] it's there.

[51:57] >> But I'm conf I'm confident that my team

[52:01] is working on this, which is why I can

[52:03] give you these numbers right now. Right?

[52:05] Because last year this time I wouldn't

[52:07] have been able to give you these

[52:10] numbers.

[52:12] So we're we're we're working on kind of

[52:14] aligning our our system with with the

[52:18] HUD system in the funding.

[52:21] >> Mr. Mira, I just want the record to

[52:23] reflect that through Miss Carb and her

[52:25] team's work, she's not she's has helped

[52:28] us identify money to support our youth

[52:30] line and and a potential additional if

[52:34] we work this right adding back

[52:37] >> $400,000 to our general fund

[52:42] >> based on the work of hurricanes.

[52:45] I know that's right President. So thank

[52:47] So I just want to say that that that's a

[52:49] you know when I spoke with you earlier

[52:51] about the youth money I I wasn't even

[52:53] aware of this other money that was

[52:56] there. So this is all a result of your

[52:57] team work. So Mitch, we appreciate the

[52:59] work that you guys are doing. Um very

[53:01] valuable.

[53:02] >> Are there any other funding

[53:06] like

[53:08] Mitch? Stand up and check in those

[53:09] cushions. See if there's some change in

[53:11] there. We want to know.

[53:15] I'm trying to get some money for this

[53:16] guy.

[53:18] >> There there's no other funding. And when

[53:20] we do identify that funding, we we're

[53:22] going to have to go through our citizen

[53:23] participation plan and put that out

[53:26] there and take applications. So that'll

[53:28] be a process that will happen sometime

[53:30] early next year.

[53:32] >> I have to add to my first time

[53:37] getting a detailed report like this

[53:39] proceeding.

[53:40] >> I'm very open. Imagine if we gave her a

[53:44] statement. No, I'm joking. Why you

[53:46] taking

[53:48] not spending the money?

[53:49] >> Um, so there's probably there's another

[53:51] question that came up, but I just want

[53:52] to make sure that um in terms of the

[53:54] spend down where it shows if you have

[53:56] 57,000,

[53:58] but then the year to date like 91,000.

[54:01] So if you just want to give clarity,

[54:04] >> then there's we spent down 91,000. We

[54:07] still have time right now with the

[54:08] shutdown. we don't have access to some

[54:11] of our draw down systems to to draw down

[54:14] the money and then we have some pending

[54:16] time sheets that the team is working on

[54:18] that will get us closer to to the finish

[54:20] line. So that'll happen before the end

[54:22] of the year.

[54:25] >> That's right.

[54:25] >> So in terms of um notions but the other

[54:29] senior programs um because we don't have

[54:32] the money

[54:32] >> they submit an application.

[54:35] No, no. I'm talking about the Catholic

[54:37] Charities. Um the the senior lunch

[54:39] programs on Mondays and uh Wednesdays

[54:41] and Friday. Well, actually, it's now

[54:42] it's just um Mondays.

[54:44] >> Yeah. Monday, Friday.

[54:46] >> I mean, I guess I'm not going to worry

[54:48] about that right now because it's

[54:51] $60,000 or something. It seems like

[54:54] maybe we'd be able to figure something

[54:56] out as we go forward in terms of finding

[54:59] $60,000. Um right. But then that that

[55:03] doesn't go through her manual finding

[55:04] it.

[55:05] >> Well, I just figured we could figure out

[55:07] a way to work with her on on

[55:10] the just we found money for the youth

[55:12] line.

[55:13] >> No, I I know I I understand what we just

[55:15] did.

[55:15] >> As important the youth line is, it is

[55:18] very important for us to fund the city

[55:20] to there's no doubt about it. It will

[55:22] have to be something that needs to go

[55:24] back into the budget regarding the

[55:26] community,

[55:26] >> right? We just have to find the money.

[55:27] You could. Well, we were going to do the

[55:29] golf course first for do the youth

[55:31] program. Why couldn't we use the golf

[55:32] course revenue to support the seniors?

[55:34] >> Well, we already have youth.

[55:35] >> Let's not

[55:37] touch and get out of here. Um, there's

[55:41] other thing I asked in the email in

[55:42] terms of two agencies. Um, and we asked

[55:46] the last time you were here. Do you have

[55:48] any updates? the experiment of um

[55:51] >> so the the two the two vacancies um that

[55:54] my department has identified for our

[55:56] book

[55:57] >> um that we have concerns around will be

[55:59] the foundation which is $339,300

[56:07] um

[56:08] and the second organization is the

[56:11] Hamilton Hill Art Center which is 1.2 2

[56:14] million. Now the D

[56:18] uh Mitch can join me if you have some,

[56:21] you know, detailed questions. Mitch has

[56:23] been working oneonone with both

[56:27] organizations I've been involved as well

[56:29] of working oneonone. Marie has submitted

[56:32] a plan that is not really realistic to

[56:35] spend this money in time and they don't

[56:37] seem to have um the additional funding

[56:40] that's needed to carry out the project

[56:41] that was once identified at this time of

[56:44] application to come into to council.

[56:47] That doesn't seem to exist with Hamilton

[56:50] Hill. They are moving forward. They have

[56:52] a project manager now and they've

[56:55] submitted an updated plan. But with the

[56:57] time that we have given them to spend

[57:00] this money, it is 50/50 from from our lens. Okay. They u Mitch is

[57:07] working with them for a backup plan to

[57:09] maybe instead of doing a new build to do

[57:13] the older rehab their existing building

[57:16] already. So we have been trying to

[57:19] troubleshoot

[57:21] um troubleshoot.

[57:24] So Mitch, you want to give us any

[57:26] updates on where?

[57:27] >> Well, we have met with Hamilton Hill and

[57:31] I was intro we were introduced to their

[57:33] project manager who seems very

[57:36] confident. Um I just received a copy of

[57:40] a meeting yesterday

[57:42] a bid he wants to send out to for the

[57:46] project to get it so they can get ahead

[57:48] of it started.

[57:51] uh and we will review that and get back

[57:53] to him and he's following the the

[57:56] policies and procedures to give any bits

[57:58] to us. So we will end up uh moving that

[58:02] forward and he or they understand that

[58:05] you know the the concern is that you

[58:08] know their project manager has said that

[58:11] in order to spend the 1 to be sure we

[58:13] spend the 1.2 2 million by June 30th

[58:15] 2026.

[58:17] >> He needs about 6 months of construction

[58:20] based on his long. So

[58:24] if this starts and and that's being

[58:27] that's you know making sure that he

[58:28] could spend it.

[58:30] Uh so if they started on January 1st

[58:34] which you know may or may not happen uh

[58:37] even if they started February so they

[58:41] may be able to do it. they they maybe

[58:43] they can spend 75%, there's no way to

[58:45] know, but it's it's going to be cutting

[58:47] it very close

[58:49] to, you know, by that timeline. There is

[58:52] a backup plan if that doesn't seem to

[58:54] work for some reason and that is to, you

[58:57] know, switch over to repairs on the

[59:00] their existing building and they're doing a two-track kind of thing

[59:06] to see uh how they can go. But that is

[59:09] once again, like Alex said, it's 50/50.

[59:11] Mhm.

[59:12] >> I did have an opportunity today to meet

[59:15] with Metroplex and we're going to have a

[59:18] conversation with the Helen Hill and

[59:19] Metroplex so they can offer some project

[59:21] management support to make sure that the

[59:23] project can move forward. Um I'm

[59:26] grateful that Metroplex is able to

[59:28] support us at that. We don't have the

[59:30] capacity to offer full project

[59:32] management. So, we are working to try to

[59:36] um

[59:38] to assist them to make sure that the

[59:40] project is able to move forward. I'll

[59:42] add this that we gave our subreients one

[59:45] date and we gave ourselves a little bit

[59:47] of time in the event.

[59:49] >> Mhm.

[59:51] >> Then things stra. So, we do have a

[59:54] little bit of fluff time. We have some

[59:57] cushion there. Um so, I'm glad that we

[1:00:01] did that contractually. We gave that one

[1:00:03] time, but we gave ourselves a little bit

[1:00:06] on top of projects that may be a little

[1:00:08] bit delayed. That was my that was

[1:00:10] actually my question because when we

[1:00:12] initially started this conversation with

[1:00:14] the CBDG uh excuse me with the funds we

[1:00:17] were allocating, we consistently sent

[1:00:20] people the recipients that they had for

[1:00:22] the end of 2026. We said that council

[1:00:24] you said that. We said that. So I I

[1:00:27] believe that some people kind of thought

[1:00:28] they had the time and now um it's been

[1:00:31] less than by 6 months to give you time.

[1:00:33] That's well understood. So essentially

[1:00:36] my question is let's say they don't

[1:00:39] quite make it to the end of June. It

[1:00:40] takes them to the end of July. Is there

[1:00:42] still an opportunity to make sure that

[1:00:44] they get

[1:00:44] >> Yeah, there's still an there's still an

[1:00:46] opportunity. If we would have given them

[1:00:48] contracts to the end of the year, they

[1:00:50] would

[1:00:51] >> we don't have enough time to do

[1:00:52] reporting. We don't know what the US

[1:00:54] Treasury is going to ask of us. And by that time comes, we need to have our

[1:00:58] ducks in the ducks in the rough. So

[1:01:00] there there is a little wiggle room, but

[1:01:02] there's not much. We're not saying

[1:01:03] there's four additional months because

[1:01:05] we want to give us ourselves time to

[1:01:07] compile whatever it is that is going to

[1:01:09] be required by Treasury.

[1:01:12] >> Thank you.

[1:01:12] >> Metroplex um working with Hamilton Hills

[1:01:15] is a great thing. Do you think that um

[1:01:18] that's a conversation you could have

[1:01:19] with them to assist maybe with jury as

[1:01:21] well?

[1:01:23] I I'll relax. And what's most important

[1:01:26] is not even Metroplex being willing.

[1:01:28] Metroplex is our partner. So they want

[1:01:30] to support us. It's about our subreient

[1:01:32] being willing to accept that um support.

[1:01:36] So we're

[1:01:38] our subreient

[1:01:40] and and do that know that let them know

[1:01:42] that that support is available to them.

[1:01:44] I I think that Dor is a different

[1:01:47] situation though because the funding for

[1:01:50] that project and Mitch can touch on that

[1:01:52] is not really aligned

[1:01:56] as as at the time of of application. So

[1:01:59] when they applied for it, they said they

[1:02:00] had XYZ funding. They've had a

[1:02:02] transition in leadership and she's

[1:02:04] identified that she doesn't know. I'll

[1:02:08] let Mitch elaborate. So I've met with

[1:02:11] Reverend Solomon of De Foundation

[1:02:14] multiple times and uh

[1:02:18] she was not even aware of this in early

[1:02:21] 25 that they even had this.

[1:02:24] >> Uh so they did you know start moving

[1:02:27] forward and try and do some things and

[1:02:28] they ran into some snags.

[1:02:31] She did you know reach a lady back on uh

[1:02:34] September 19th. I asked her for a

[1:02:37] revised scope of work and revised budget

[1:02:39] to see how it fits and she didn't do

[1:02:42] revised budget of $128,000 of the

[1:02:45] $339,000.

[1:02:48] Uh however it doesn't really meet the so

[1:02:52] the initial funding that we that the uh

[1:02:54] city was funding them for provided some repairs and upgrades and furniture

[1:03:00] to get their steps program started uh

[1:03:03] which is a pretty comprehensive program

[1:03:05] and that was supposed to have their

[1:03:07] timeline here and they were supposed to

[1:03:09] start construction

[1:03:11] uh in January and June construction will

[1:03:14] be done and we were going to fund the

[1:03:16] programming for a full year after

[1:03:20] uh this you know new funding which this

[1:03:25] new application obvious budget will not

[1:03:29] obviously

[1:03:30] fund a year's worth of

[1:03:34] uh work and the idea was that so they

[1:03:37] have 18 months basically of some you

[1:03:41] know equipment and upgrades and then a

[1:03:43] year's worth of a total of you know a

[1:03:46] year's worth six months rehab and

[1:03:49] equipment and 12 months of

[1:03:52] funding to get the program going. That

[1:03:55] would give them the impetus to continue

[1:03:57] to, you know, raise funds and and work

[1:03:59] to, you know, make sure it gets

[1:04:01] continued.

[1:04:02] >> They will not have that there. And I

[1:04:04] don't know how much they can

[1:04:05] realistically do in a six-month time

[1:04:07] frame between now, you know, six or

[1:04:09] eight month time frame between now and

[1:04:11] June.

[1:04:12] >> And not to get Norwegian, so this would

[1:04:15] be the last question around this. I know

[1:04:17] that. No, but I just I think that this

[1:04:19] might be a little more granular than we

[1:04:20] want to get.

[1:04:21] >> So, if I'm understanding correctly, then

[1:04:24] there's money that was going to go into

[1:04:25] the like some construction of a place to

[1:04:28] house the program and then we were going

[1:04:31] to support said programming, right? So,

[1:04:35] would it be impactful for them? And I

[1:04:38] think there's something obviously they

[1:04:39] can help reach out to like if they if

[1:04:42] they found a partner that could provide

[1:04:44] them with a programming space that

[1:04:46] wouldn't require construction, would

[1:04:48] that help them or no? I guess I'm trying

[1:04:50] to figure out.

[1:04:51] >> They

[1:04:53] don't have the programming gear to go.

[1:04:57] >> Okay. Are you okay? That's, you know,

[1:04:59] they did put in their new budget project

[1:05:01] manager

[1:05:02] >> to try and get things started.

[1:05:05] >> Mhm. But once again, you know, you're

[1:05:07] starting a program from from scratch and

[1:05:09] you know, Megan Solomon was not involved

[1:05:12] in the initial planning. So, she's

[1:05:14] coming in, you know, really fresh and

[1:05:20] >> Oh, okay. I I think I know. Okay.

[1:05:23] >> So, the program was supposedly already

[1:05:26] going.

[1:05:26] >> Yeah. Yeah. Pastor Nikki. Yeah. She was

[1:05:30] Okay. The special meeting with him.

[1:05:47] Sorry guys,

[1:05:49] I'm trying to propose myself to this one

[1:05:50] because

[1:05:52] I advocate for them to receive $525,000

[1:05:55] from the county to do the construction

[1:05:59] with another $75,000 to do the exterior

[1:06:02] and we're falling apart because we can't

[1:06:04] put put program together to manage a

[1:06:07] 328,000 models.

[1:06:10] >> Mhm.

[1:06:10] >> I

[1:06:12] can say it came off.

[1:06:14] >> Yeah. I I think that's something that

[1:06:16] seems like there's some key pieces

[1:06:18] missing that we might but I know where

[1:06:20] you're going. So I think maybe a

[1:06:21] conversation

[1:06:22] >> that's

[1:06:24] any other question. Thank you so much.

[1:06:26] Uh thank you Mitch. Any other questions?

[1:06:29] >> No.

[1:06:32] Is there anything that you want to tell

[1:06:33] us that you don't really ask?

[1:06:37] >> No.

[1:06:40] >> I like that. There you open yourself

[1:06:42] more question.

[1:06:44] >> Thank you.

[1:06:44] so much for good guidance

[1:06:47] today.

[1:06:47] >> Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you

[1:06:49] both.

[1:06:58] » Cheers.

[1:07:11] evening. How you doing? All right. Sorry

[1:07:14] to get you all sweating

[1:07:17] and blame it for the department. Ask me

[1:07:19] too many questions.

[1:07:21] >> They know that.

[1:07:25] >> Oh,

[1:07:26] >> they would not find that.

[1:07:27] >> I would. Um so we have two questions on

[1:07:30] revenue.

[1:07:33] Hopefully Connor doesn't have that.

[1:07:36] >> The one has to do with following the

[1:07:38] email that we were sharing in terms of

[1:07:40] the um the delinquent um delinquent

[1:07:44] parking tickets.

[1:07:45] >> Mhm. that um we split

[1:07:48] recovery is working with your team to

[1:07:52] kind of speed ahead that and um looking

[1:07:55] at the actuals it's kind of like in my

[1:07:58] eyes it looks on the competition we had

[1:08:01] last year and how can we able to round

[1:08:04] that up to get some higher numbers in

[1:08:07] next next year. So currently in year to

[1:08:11] date right now as of yesterday or today

[1:08:15] um we've had

[1:08:18] we had $130,64.95

[1:08:24] of outstanding tickets paid if tickets

[1:08:28] that's $1,593

[1:08:31] tickets paid uh the oldest ticket was

[1:08:34] issued March 20th of 2000.

[1:08:38] And the most recent one was 6 months.

[1:08:41] Anything delinquent has got 6 months or

[1:08:43] more in order to be considered

[1:08:45] delinquent. The

[1:08:48] um

[1:08:50] November of 2024 is when we started

[1:08:54] working with uh Captain Montgomery. So

[1:08:57] that's when the first uh 44,000 I think

[1:09:00] tickets went out. And uh last year, I

[1:09:03] can't remember what the um the number

[1:09:05] was, but we they're we're not paying

[1:09:08] anything to them. They're adding above

[1:09:10] and beyond what we're

[1:09:12] charged.

[1:09:16] It's a percentage of what they do.

[1:09:17] >> Yeah. We've collected $13,64.

[1:09:21] They've collected $32,961

[1:09:24] above and beyond what we've collected.

[1:09:26] um that was what they've they charge for

[1:09:30] and lose any of our actual revenue for

[1:09:32] it and

[1:09:34] there I don't know there's maybe other

[1:09:37] options for another collection agency

[1:09:39] possibly but there's that's really

[1:09:41] nothing that I don't know how other way

[1:09:44] to do right now we don't actually do any

[1:09:46] of this work it goes from which is our

[1:09:50] agency goes right from there to uh

[1:09:53] McGomery and they handle everything for

[1:09:55] us So there's no city involvement as far

[1:09:58] as that goes and they just mailed the

[1:10:00] letters out. We've let the uh they let

[1:10:02] the fees and we pay down the agreement

[1:10:05] that we have with can take on board

[1:10:08] recovery agency.

[1:10:09] >> We I haven't heard exclusive

[1:10:12] >> uh I believe it's going to be exclusive.

[1:10:14] I don't know when we'd have to check the

[1:10:16] law department on that but I might be

[1:10:19] able to get a copy of it as well. But um

[1:10:22] we signed it in

[1:10:26] probably 3 years ago, four years ago. It

[1:10:28] took that long

[1:10:30] a long time to go in.

[1:10:32] >> It very well could be expiring be out,

[1:10:35] but um we can definitely find out when

[1:10:38] the when the contract expired.

[1:10:41] So from the time of Tuesday

[1:10:45] the October 14. So it's like $8,000

[1:10:48] more in the last actual provider to me.

[1:10:52] So now that's you know they keep they

[1:10:55] keep adding on to the amount just you

[1:10:59] spoke about yesterday

[1:11:02] 8 hours

[1:11:04] in a 6 days 7 days period. Well, the

[1:11:08] whole question is um

[1:11:11] the revenue that we have in the budget

[1:11:13] for 2020 is $170,000.

[1:11:15] I was thinking that soon because they

[1:11:18] started last year, they're ramping up a

[1:11:20] lot

[1:11:22] more and work with them to be more

[1:11:25] aggressive in terms of pushing all the

[1:11:27] ticket as much as they can rather than

[1:11:30] leaving them. Okay, take it from there.

[1:11:33] But we want to make more of a hands-on

[1:11:34] approach and say guys give us a report

[1:11:36] every every two week every month or

[1:11:39] where you are and we need to kind of

[1:11:41] like ramp it up.

[1:11:42] >> Is that something that

[1:11:44] >> adding more uh work on your side?

[1:11:46] >> So not there's really not much we can do

[1:11:48] from our side with capital recovery.

[1:11:50] They're just they mount letters out. Um

[1:11:52] they I think they do eight or nine

[1:11:54] series letters. So they they run all the

[1:11:56] data. They m letters out. I don't know

[1:11:58] if they don't make phone calls. I just

[1:12:01] they constantly amount of letters out.

[1:12:03] Um the only other thing that we do is we

[1:12:05] run decals internally. So we all these

[1:12:08] license plates are put into our LPRs. So

[1:12:11] our officers have to drive around the

[1:12:13] parking officers. If there's um $300 or

[1:12:16] more tickets like the go off, if the

[1:12:20] officers are not on call, they might

[1:12:23] stop the officer or might stop the car

[1:12:25] or um in the morning the traffic

[1:12:28] officers go out. Um I think

[1:12:30] >> yeah I wasn't going to touch I wasn't

[1:12:31] going to touch on that

[1:12:33] any

[1:12:34] >> I do have that right I just got this

[1:12:38] information so this year so I believe we

[1:12:41] ran 27 details

[1:12:44] >> um we've had 414

[1:12:49] vehicles that were towed 44

[1:12:53] vehicles so some of those are old some

[1:12:56] of those are new vehicles as far

[1:13:00] um scoffs as far as like some of them

[1:13:03] that's people that owe $300 or more. The

[1:13:06] total revenue that I brought in from

[1:13:08] that some of the people may not have

[1:13:09] paid um but the total outstanding

[1:13:11] tickets was $218,953

[1:13:15] from those and that cost us $24,26.

[1:13:22] » I'm sorry. $24, I guess.

[1:13:24] >> $26.

[1:13:25] >> Thank you. No. Um

[1:13:30] 218,000.

[1:13:32] >> So 227 stock details, 414 vehicles

[1:13:35] towed, 218,953

[1:13:38] recovered, 24,26 in overtime, and then

[1:13:41] gain of 1947.

[1:13:44] When I say net gain, it's a gain.

[1:13:46] However, it's money owed to the city. So

[1:13:48] we're really paying the overtime, but

[1:13:50] it's money the city already is owed

[1:13:52] anyway. So saying that gain however

[1:13:57] we're paying to get the revenue back.

[1:14:00] >> Yeah. When you look at it, we we have

[1:14:02] the money set aside to pay for the over

[1:14:04] time recovery of $280,000 because if you

[1:14:08] didn't do that effort, that $280,000

[1:14:11] will be still out.

[1:14:12] >> Yes.

[1:14:12] So that's 280

[1:14:14] >> almost 219,000. Yeah. 28. So, going back

[1:14:18] to the

[1:14:23] » Would it be safe for us to

[1:14:26] $500,000?

[1:14:28] >> $500,000.

[1:14:30] >> I

[1:14:32] got

[1:14:36] so much more.

[1:14:39] >> So, I would No, no, talking about the

[1:14:40] delinquent parking, but the recovery

[1:14:43] not the delinquent. I would say you're

[1:14:46] more apt to increase actual parking

[1:14:49] tickets or uh themselves. Not maybe not

[1:14:54] the delinquent part. The delinquents are

[1:14:56] 6 months old and over. That's

[1:14:59] >> so even though we we ran,000 k in $20

[1:15:02] and something,000

[1:15:05] of that 200 something,000 only 130,000

[1:15:09] of it has been 6 months total. Okay. So

[1:15:13] that 130 debts included in that too. So

[1:15:15] the rest of that money it's been 6

[1:15:17] months to renew. So some people just I

[1:15:20] don't want to go too off track

[1:15:22] and throw at you.

[1:15:25] Don't want to read the whole

[1:15:31] » I'm sorry. Can you just tell me the old

[1:15:33] the one over 6 months was

[1:15:35] >> uh over 6 months it is

[1:15:40] 130,64.95

[1:15:47] 6 months how we're back not

[1:15:49] >> back to 2000

[1:15:50] >> oh to 2000

[1:15:51] >> yeah we had three tickets from 2000 and

[1:15:53] then

[1:15:55] >> Louise 2003

[1:15:57] >> five from 2001 from 2003 when that was a

[1:16:02] He just

[1:16:03] >> when we were when we were going through

[1:16:05] the report last year,

[1:16:07] >> we had we were we were looking at a few

[1:16:11] million dollars of that and we think

[1:16:13] it's like we can recover.

[1:16:16] >> Not the one that's 10 years old and

[1:16:17] things like that. Those are like way

[1:16:19] beyond

[1:16:22] anybody's reach.

[1:16:26] » Wait, what are we doing?

[1:16:30] No, we're good.

[1:16:35] » So, right now the, you know, for those 3

[1:16:39] years, so money that is 3 years old or

[1:16:43] less is1,252,285.

[1:16:49] 1.25 million is 3 years or less. That is

[1:16:52] the the highest chance of recovery. Um

[1:16:57] if you go out a total of

[1:17:00] uh 10 years and older just 10 years and

[1:17:06] one line alone there is uh 41,000

[1:17:10] tickets that are 10 years and older and

[1:17:14] that is like uh

[1:17:16] that money going to say mobile size fact

[1:17:20] that we got money we have 200 this year

[1:17:23] we

[1:17:25] >> $180

[1:17:26] from 2000 most likely.

[1:17:29] >> So, is there is there like so if the

[1:17:33] public knows that, hey, you know, we're

[1:17:35] going out to get these funds owed to the

[1:17:38] city. Um, is there like a I mean besides

[1:17:41] having to call down putting Is there

[1:17:43] like is there any like maybe like on an

[1:17:45] app or something where people can just

[1:17:47] enter in their I don't know if it would

[1:17:49] be their license or their car, you know,

[1:17:51] maybe their tag number because I'm

[1:17:53] thinking that some people go, "Oh, I got

[1:17:55] a ticket. I got to pay it." If we if we

[1:17:58] have a a simplified way for them to to access that information and then it

[1:18:03] doesn't cost the manh hours as it can

[1:18:05] reduce some of the manh hours to collect

[1:18:07] some of that money. Is there a way to

[1:18:09] >> Yes, they can call in at any time or

[1:18:10] there's a website they want to put their license plate in on the

[1:18:14] website. It's I don't want to say I

[1:18:16] think it's six connectity what's on the

[1:18:18] main site but pay or something like that

[1:18:22] and then the license plate didn't be

[1:18:24] able to pay and that'll go for all of

[1:18:25] the ticket not moving violations though

[1:18:27] that just be parking.

[1:18:29] >> Okay. All right. So um so if like

[1:18:32] somebody has

[1:18:36] and they you know they take part

[1:18:40] with tickets also show off they

[1:18:43] >> uh that would be

[1:18:45] >> I don't know

[1:18:47] >> that I do not know

[1:18:49] >> I don't well I don't have one so

[1:18:53] >> no so when you put something in your

[1:18:56] passport and you get a ticket that

[1:18:58] doesn't show up on

[1:19:00] under your parking fines.

[1:19:01] >> So guess the same this is the same

[1:19:04] system. So I'm guessing that it probably

[1:19:07] is but I'm not sure

[1:19:10] that goes back to 2000 or go back four

[1:19:13] or five years ago

[1:19:15] >> cuz before passport it was plus.

[1:19:18] >> So some of our reporting when you go

[1:19:21] back four years ago or say five years

[1:19:23] ago the reporting sides changed. So that

[1:19:27] probably is when you go back to the 5

[1:19:30] years.

[1:19:32] >> No, I don't think 5 years. I meant like

[1:19:35] >> recent.

[1:19:36] >> Yeah.

[1:19:38] >> So probably show up this way. If you if

[1:19:40] you have a ticket can go with the

[1:19:42] passport to pay for new parking or pay

[1:19:45] new parking spot.

[1:19:49] » You provide optimum pre 1.2 million.

[1:19:52] >> Yes.

[1:19:53] >> Do you have a number up to five years?

[1:20:08] That includes the doubling of the

[1:20:11] doubles

[1:20:22] through four years is 1.48. 48 million.

[1:20:26] >> Okay.

[1:20:29] >> What is a billing point?

[1:20:31] >> 141,48,614.

[1:20:35] » Okay.

[1:20:36] >> And then you add that fifth year

[1:20:47] is 1,671,244.

[1:20:56] And when you add an entire thing

[1:20:58] together as far back as our records go,

[1:21:02] >> um that's the 10 years and all the way

[1:21:03] back is everything. It's 5.25.

[1:21:08] >> We need that right though. I suppos

[1:21:11] >> some of those people are

[1:21:12] >> Yes.

[1:21:13] >> They might have been deceased or you

[1:21:16] know moved.

[1:21:17] >> Yes. We can't.

[1:21:21] >> Well, this recovery first started

[1:21:23] November of last year.

[1:21:24] >> November 2024

[1:21:26] since the first tickets got mailed out

[1:21:28] and then from that we've got it was last

[1:21:32] year. It was very low. Um because the

[1:21:35] first ticket started went out. I can't

[1:21:37] remember what the the final revenue was.

[1:21:39] Very low. But so far this year we've got

[1:21:41] the 130,000 so far this year. Um and

[1:21:44] it's it's gathering basically. We still

[1:21:46] have two more months to go. So hopefully

[1:21:48] we'll we'll continue to to see that and

[1:21:50] every time ticket gets 6 months old and

[1:21:54] older, it automatically triggers that

[1:21:57] they start that flexing process. So

[1:21:59] right now

[1:22:01] um 31 to 60 days old. We have 588

[1:22:05] tickets at a total base value of 29,000

[1:22:09] with a penalties of 29,000.

[1:22:12] the total value of 59,165.

[1:22:15] And then in 61 to 90 days, we have 634

[1:22:19] tickets outstanding with a total value

[1:22:21] of 65,000.

[1:22:22] 91 to 80 days, 192 tickets for a total

[1:22:26] value of 194,000. So as these tickets

[1:22:30] become older, if we don't get them

[1:22:32] through the SC details or people come in

[1:22:35] and pay them, those tickets become

[1:22:36] delinquent and large amount out and that

[1:22:39] will become in this revenue instead of

[1:22:40] our regular revenue. But our parking

[1:22:44] revenue is um the highest spend ever

[1:22:48] just because our our parking guys are

[1:22:49] out there really doing

[1:22:51] >> I think we did talk about this when I

[1:22:53] show up DMV. When would this report to

[1:22:56] DMV

[1:22:58] >> that um I don't have the answer to that?

[1:23:03] >> Okay.

[1:23:04] >> It's not uh that the law has changed

[1:23:07] over the last couple years. So, as far

[1:23:09] as the fines go as far as it being just

[1:23:14] a fine, they don't I don't believe they

[1:23:17] do go unless there's other kind of FBI

[1:23:19] circumstances. I don't know what.

[1:23:22] >> But overall, I mean, starting last

[1:23:23] November and the effort, I mean, this

[1:23:25] year $130,000 and we still have two

[1:23:28] months to do. It's a good effort, I

[1:23:30] still sense the feeling that um we're

[1:23:33] going to do better next year because

[1:23:34] people going to get these tickets more

[1:23:36] often. They're going to get the letter

[1:23:37] repeated letters and they're going to pay it. So I I think a better perfection into next year might

[1:23:47] be a better you know

[1:23:51] better better for revenue in terms of

[1:23:53] how we we have right now $170,000

[1:23:56] cuz

[1:23:58] let's say you collect $150,000 this year

[1:24:03] next year going to be people going

[1:24:05] they're going to start pay they realize

[1:24:06] that they're getting this letter now it

[1:24:07] never used to happen all of a sudden I'm

[1:24:10] getting letter to notify me that I was

[1:24:11] planning to keep a sing. So I need to

[1:24:14] pay for it

[1:24:17] for now.

[1:24:18] >> So So it's likely going to kind of like

[1:24:20] >> increase up for a little while, then

[1:24:22] it'll peak and then

[1:24:24] >> we'll it'll start to go down a little

[1:24:26] bit, but to your point right now it's

[1:24:27] trending up. So you're saying

[1:24:29] >> to maybe increase that line a little bit

[1:24:31] because of it's trending up.

[1:24:34] because people are getting they the

[1:24:36] agency is sending out letters notifying

[1:24:39] individual that they have outstanding

[1:24:41] tickets.

[1:24:42] >> So what are you thinking now after

[1:24:44] hearing that? What do you think?

[1:24:45] >> Not $500,000.

[1:24:52] I have I have to push him off.

[1:24:55] >> She's about to go out there right now

[1:24:56] and start.

[1:25:03] » All right.

[1:25:06] So, it's good information. That's why I ask you to come back here

[1:25:09] because

[1:25:09] >> right while they're here,

[1:25:10] >> we can sit here. We can sit here and you

[1:25:13] know say our you know come up with our

[1:25:15] estimate but it's good to hear that

[1:25:17] where you are and this is the detail

[1:25:18] that we need. So that is good

[1:25:20] information and we'll we'll take that

[1:25:21] into consideration. And the next one I

[1:25:23] want to touch on is that the followup uh

[1:25:25] email the second I think the same email

[1:25:28] second page in terms of the detail and

[1:25:31] the 3:00 a.m. to 7 um

[1:25:36] 7 a.m. detail and the the estimate that

[1:25:40] you put there I call

[1:25:45] um how often are they doing this? So it

[1:25:48] is every day.

[1:25:49] >> Those are the those are the calls. We

[1:25:51] call it scoff law detail. It's not

[1:25:52] really a scoff law. We just call it we

[1:25:54] call it 27 times uh in 2025 year to

[1:25:59] date. And

[1:26:01] uh it's usually we have three two or

[1:26:04] three officers working.

[1:26:08] I think typically three looks like three

[1:26:10] almost every time actually. um that

[1:26:14] times I think that we worked in but uh

[1:26:16] we had 414 vehicles were towed. We

[1:26:19] recovered uh $218,953

[1:26:25] in outstanding tickets.

[1:26:28] We spent $24,26

[1:26:31] on overtime.

[1:26:32] >> 20 Oh, that's the same as you already

[1:26:35] told us that. Okay. For everyone else,

[1:26:38] the city got back at approximately $95

[1:26:41] back in return. The um

[1:26:46] the due to the staffing strength was 27

[1:26:51] details uh that we wanted to run. If we

[1:26:55] were to do it again next year, we got

[1:26:56] 80% coverage in 2026. If we ran 42

[1:26:59] details and we did the same thing if we

[1:27:02] ran to approximately 644 vehicles we

[1:27:06] take in approximately $340,000

[1:27:10] would cost us about $37,600

[1:27:14] projected net of $32,000

[1:27:18] as a

[1:27:19] >> where is this accounted in the revenue

[1:27:22] so the um

[1:27:25] >> the regular revenue is included in the

[1:27:29] uh regular parking box.

[1:27:31] >> Yeah, parking.

[1:27:32] >> Okay, that's

[1:27:32] >> so that's the 200,000 for the shoot, but

[1:27:36] I did not include any extra parking. So,

[1:27:39] if we were to say more parking, we could

[1:27:42] uh definitely put another 100,000 in

[1:27:44] there. I would just stay there. We would

[1:27:46] be spending another 17,000 in overtime

[1:27:48] here from what overall we spent this

[1:27:51] year in for

[1:27:57] » but overall we are not losing against

[1:28:00] except for gaining almost 10 time

[1:28:05] $100,000 by spending $17,000. That's

[1:28:07] what it's about over the last two years

[1:28:10] is what he's been in traffic. Do you see

[1:28:14] this as something that we can do more

[1:28:15] often?

[1:28:17] >> As long as we can get the guys to go out

[1:28:19] and do it, then yes. This is something

[1:28:20] we done in the last couple years and it

[1:28:24] was

[1:28:25] over the last few years that hasn't been

[1:28:27] done

[1:28:29] consistently last year. Uh it started to

[1:28:32] be a little bit tenant traffic is is

[1:28:35] very organized and does very good job.

[1:28:38] So now it's it's uh when he plans it. So

[1:28:42] what he actually does ahead of time just

[1:28:43] goes around and

[1:28:46] out there. He go finds all the vehicles

[1:28:48] that have been hit or the heaviest finds

[1:28:52] the ones that have the most the most

[1:28:54] money that are

[1:28:58] the guys that owes the most money.

[1:28:59] There's 27 detail.

[1:29:04] Oh, what is the time span between that?

[1:29:06] Still six months, three months. Uh, we

[1:29:09] did one January 9th, one January 15th.

[1:29:12] So, it was from January 9th.

[1:29:16] >> Yeah. Two a month.

[1:29:17] >> Two months.

[1:29:20] Two a month. Now, bear in mind, I just

[1:29:22] want to say this that we recogn

[1:29:26] recognized that we can 10x our effort

[1:29:29] here. But when we gave our budget

[1:29:32] request for this year, we only we only

[1:29:35] budget it. We only asked for what we

[1:29:37] felt could cover twice a month.

[1:29:39] >> So we we have to the resources that

[1:29:43] we're given, we have to balance them out

[1:29:45] really for our core mission to protect

[1:29:46] life and property, not necessarily

[1:29:49] revenue generation. Of course, we'll do

[1:29:51] whatever you ask us to do. So if you

[1:29:53] want us to do more, we do over time to

[1:29:55] reflect that

[1:29:56] >> so we can pay the officers. So within

[1:29:59] the period of January to February 20 27

[1:30:02] retail and you recover almost 201

[1:30:12] January

[1:30:16] » two per month

[1:30:20] >> I know I was excited. So we did three in

[1:30:21] January, three in February, two in

[1:30:23] March,

[1:30:25] uh three in April,

[1:30:27] >> three, one in June, two in July.

[1:30:30] >> Okay.

[1:30:31] >> Well, yeah.

[1:30:34] See,

[1:30:35] >> so you're doing it based on

[1:30:37] availability, based on officers taking

[1:30:40] off time within that period of time.

[1:30:42] 3:00 a.m. 7 a.m.

[1:30:45] >> That's primarily time.

[1:30:47] >> That's all.

[1:30:49] >> Go ahead.

[1:30:51] and have so it has to be over time. So

[1:30:54] uh officers who are on the regular shift

[1:30:57] and not I won't say in the downtime but

[1:31:00] like in between time

[1:31:03] >> so they can support our parking officers

[1:31:04] do it during the daytime when they're

[1:31:06] working that's they definitely do that.

[1:31:07] Our officers if they are working and

[1:31:09] they have downtime they can right now on

[1:31:12] midnights um they have an assignment

[1:31:14] where they are doing parking tickets

[1:31:15] overnight. Um we've got some complaints

[1:31:18] from that cuz they are they have picked

[1:31:19] up their Oh yes,

[1:31:21] >> they have picked up their parking. They

[1:31:23] are uh they are doing pretty aggressive

[1:31:26] parking and if they come across any

[1:31:28] scaffolds

[1:31:29] more of a targeted where he goes through

[1:31:31] and finds the people that have

[1:31:36] basically go through and finds him and

[1:31:37] then take a while to get they line up

[1:31:39] the tow truck ahead of time so they're

[1:31:40] not waiting. So they're letting the

[1:31:43] truck drivers know, hey, we're giving

[1:31:44] Scott detail tonight. Can you have a

[1:31:46] couple extra drivers on? Let drivers

[1:31:48] know, hey, you're doing it. And then he

[1:31:50] lines up the the tow companies and lets

[1:31:52] everybody know we're going how we're

[1:31:54] doing it. So, it's it's like a

[1:31:57] mission.

[1:31:59] >> It's so

[1:32:01] I was just going to say that there is

[1:32:03] there are some tensions to balance here.

[1:32:05] >> Right. Right. So, I mean, and and

[1:32:07] because I know we're seeing dollar signs

[1:32:10] and I'm like, "Oh, but I I want to be

[1:32:12] >> just be mindful that we don't want to

[1:32:14] make up our entire, you know, uh uh

[1:32:17] we're not trying to look out of our

[1:32:19] entire deficit, well, perceived deficit

[1:32:21] right now on for ticketing. I think that

[1:32:23] that's a low it it can get to a point

[1:32:26] where it be it is feels predatory on the

[1:32:30] people that live here which then will

[1:32:32] really put our uh officers in a tough

[1:32:36] position as we're still trying to

[1:32:38] maintain and build strong community

[1:32:40] partnerships. So we have that's

[1:32:41] something we have to keep in mind.

[1:32:43] >> That's the priority $300 plus.

[1:32:46] >> These are only 300 plus. We do not tow

[1:32:49] less than that.

[1:32:51] >> Um, just because that's the number you

[1:32:53] see that's how much the tow is. So,

[1:32:54] we're not take doing that. If somebody

[1:32:56] does come out and they have they want to

[1:32:58] pay it, they can they can pay it. We

[1:33:00] forward them load right through their

[1:33:02] through the app. They can they can do

[1:33:03] that. So, we're not taking somebody's

[1:33:05] car if they they do want to pay that

[1:33:07] >> and they receive uh right to the uh the

[1:33:12] formula that we can see. We can see how

[1:33:14] many times and the dates that they

[1:33:16] received letters and how many contacts

[1:33:17] they had prior. So somebody said they

[1:33:19] didn't know about it.

[1:33:20] >> We can see the letter that they received

[1:33:22] and how many times. So typically, you

[1:33:25] know, it's um they got received the

[1:33:28] ticket, received a notice that it was

[1:33:30] going to double. Then it's they've

[1:33:33] typically see four or five notices

[1:33:34] before we're actually taking a car at

[1:33:36] time. So there's they've received many

[1:33:38] notices before. It's not we're not just

[1:33:42] don't show that detail and just taking

[1:33:47] >> people know that we're

[1:33:51] never they don't they're not happy about

[1:33:52] it. They they don't

[1:33:54] >> and it's had the bad the benefit of

[1:33:57] getting around is pay your ticket when

[1:33:59] you get it.

[1:33:59] >> People start paying rent.

[1:34:00] >> So it's it's a balance and the more we

[1:34:02] do the less opportunity you'll have too.

[1:34:07] Any question

[1:34:10] for you? This is good information. Thank

[1:34:11] you.

[1:34:11] >> I thought we had something about speed

[1:34:12] cameras, didn't we? Didn't you ask

[1:34:14] something about speed cameras you was

[1:34:15] asking?

[1:34:17] >> Yeah, you had a question about that

[1:34:18] revenue and it was based on

[1:34:26] » Yes, we do. So, we paid for $2.3 million

[1:34:30] for the free damage. Yes. But the

[1:34:33] monster went open.

[1:34:37] So I just threw a yard out there and I

[1:34:40] go

[1:34:43] » for for you.

[1:34:48] So instead of looking to hand out

[1:34:51] everybody has it

[1:34:54] the easiest way I'll explain it once

[1:34:56] everybody has it just but this is with

[1:34:59] the help of a vendor the name of that

[1:35:02] but I think

[1:35:04] that we had a demo with that we were

[1:35:07] thinking about using

[1:35:10] okay the

[1:35:14] stats

[1:35:15] Um they give us with the averages of

[1:35:18] what um

[1:35:22] the cities like ours need this

[1:35:25] the say that typically

[1:35:28] uh we so in the legislation that has not

[1:35:30] been signed yet. So I'm not sure if

[1:35:32] that's I have a copy of that but that

[1:35:35] has not been signed. It's made it

[1:35:37] through both houses but it has not been

[1:35:40] signed.

[1:35:42] In there it says the city of Skenctity

[1:35:45] if approved would have 20 up to 20

[1:35:47] zones. So the zones could be 20 should

[1:35:50] be two different ways. So the

[1:35:54] average this is a conservative average

[1:35:57] >> for a city our size compared to what

[1:36:00] they do. They do these across the US and

[1:36:02] other countries as well. But uh be 400

[1:36:05] tickets per both directions per month.

[1:36:09] Mhm.

[1:36:10] >> They have a the tickets are $50 if paid

[1:36:14] um this amount of time and those have a

[1:36:17] 60% collection rate.

[1:36:19] >> Wow.

[1:36:20] >> Then they escalate to a $75

[1:36:24] payment and then there's a 10%

[1:36:26] collection rate on that and then there's

[1:36:28] 30% that stay uncollected or over time

[1:36:30] they slowly trickle in. Then so on here

[1:36:34] I put the the numbers of 240, 40, 120.

[1:36:38] So then we this is still would be

[1:36:41] negotiation but I'm putting in their

[1:36:43] assumption of 50% of the city share that

[1:36:47] it's per direction. So each direction we

[1:36:50] would receive 6,000500

[1:36:53] and then get 4500 collected which sit

[1:36:56] there and we would have discussions like

[1:36:57] on how we're going to collect that

[1:36:58] money. um multiply that up by the 20

[1:37:01] zones

[1:37:03] uh each direction and the 9 months a

[1:37:06] year of these options and that's where

[1:37:09] I'm getting this 20 2 million 2.1

[1:37:11] million 540,000 and then the 1.6 million

[1:37:15] over there in line and then down below

[1:37:18] was 2.7 for 9 2.4 four for eight if and

[1:37:22] if it didn't come right away if the

[1:37:24] legislation or the bill was not signed

[1:37:26] until later on.

[1:37:27] >> And now there is you can also run it for

[1:37:31] schools that run summer school. You can

[1:37:34] run it

[1:37:34] >> for those or any schools that have

[1:37:36] activities that are school related in

[1:37:38] the summertime. So you can run it for

[1:37:40] more months than that.

[1:37:41] >> You can or you can

[1:37:42] >> you can Yes. Yep. You can run it year

[1:37:44] round or any anytime that a school

[1:37:46] function is in place. So you can run it,

[1:37:48] but the most places

[1:37:51] I'm very conservative and with the

[1:37:54] assumption of 9 months.

[1:37:56] >> The council mayor may decide not to go

[1:37:59] with 20 zones. We have a list of all the

[1:38:01] schools. So depending on where everybody

[1:38:03] wants to see them, you may go with not

[1:38:06] 20 zones or it may not make sense to do

[1:38:09] >> both directions and some schools might

[1:38:11] make sense to only go one way instead of

[1:38:13] going both ways. M.

[1:38:14] >> So that's where I came up with the 2.3.

[1:38:17] I took these numbers and then I dropped

[1:38:20] them down. So just in case there was

[1:38:22] some

[1:38:24] higher than these obviously those in the

[1:38:26] papers and you know um but these are

[1:38:29] this is where the numbers started from

[1:38:31] before I brought them just because I

[1:38:34] don't want you guys later on that.

[1:38:37] >> Okay. So in Albany there's So I I think

[1:38:41] I remember reading that like people were

[1:38:44] challenging the tickets and they were

[1:38:48] being successful and challenging based

[1:38:49] on how those tickets were issued. Is

[1:38:51] that like something that you're aware of

[1:38:53] that?

[1:38:54] >> So that I don't know about those as far

[1:38:57] as more like bus patrol. I know you guys

[1:38:59] question those as well. The bus patrol

[1:39:01] tickets. Those were

[1:39:02] >> Oh, I was talking about the school speed

[1:39:04] zone tickets. Yeah, I'm not familiar so

[1:39:07] much with those being um contested as

[1:39:11] more as the bus controls definitely

[1:39:12] work.

[1:39:13] >> Okay. So,

[1:39:13] >> and there is a now there's been some

[1:39:16] changes to how the system works and how

[1:39:18] the certifications are and those have

[1:39:20] been worked around and although that's

[1:39:21] been fixed.

[1:39:22] >> So, if there was some contest something

[1:39:25] that was tested on that, I'm sure that's

[1:39:27] either fixed or the works to be fixed.

[1:39:29] There was some uh slight things with bus

[1:39:31] patrol that when it first came out. They

[1:39:33] needed to have a different angle and

[1:39:34] there had to be a certification

[1:39:36] >> like a plate picture on there

[1:39:38] >> and that was fixed. Uh luckily we were

[1:39:41] on the back end of

[1:39:43] >> getting it when other people were so we

[1:39:47] didn't have that that issue.

[1:39:49] >> Um so if there that was an issue I don't

[1:39:53] I'm sure that would be next week by the

[1:39:55] time we are

[1:39:56] >> cool. Go ahead. Thank you. You said on

[1:40:00] this you haven't decided how to collect

[1:40:02] these.

[1:40:04] Elaborate on that. So

[1:40:06] >> the the uncollected the

[1:40:07] >> Oh, the uncollect.

[1:40:08] >> So this right here is it's again what

[1:40:10] kind of works like bus patrol,

[1:40:11] >> right?

[1:40:12] >> This one the the system sends the PD or

[1:40:15] it can be somebody else uh video and a

[1:40:18] picture of a car running. This in in the

[1:40:22] legislation has to be over 10 mph. So if

[1:40:25] the school speed zone is 20, it has to

[1:40:27] be at least 31 mph. So it can't be

[1:40:30] anything less than 10 mph. So it's

[1:40:32] automatically set to 11 mph.

[1:40:35] >> Okay?

[1:40:35] >> So school zones 20 or 15,

[1:40:38] >> it has to be 11 mph before it gets

[1:40:41] triggered.

[1:40:42] >> And then there's a picture, there's a

[1:40:44] video, there's license plate, and then

[1:40:47] it gets their company reviews it. And

[1:40:49] then it gets sent to us. We we review

[1:40:52] it. And then it's sent to the video and

[1:40:55] the picture gets sent to the registered

[1:40:56] owner. These I believe more people are

[1:41:01] willing to pay these. It's $50 where the

[1:41:03] bus patrol ticket is $250 and these are

[1:41:06] $50. So I think that's why these have a

[1:41:08] higher collection rate than some other

[1:41:09] ones.

[1:41:12] >> Would you need an officer or someone to

[1:41:14] review what they what the company?

[1:41:16] >> Yes. Yes. With bus patrol. That's what

[1:41:18] we're doing currently as well. So every

[1:41:20] time somebody we do those videos it uh

[1:41:23] we have to review those and then after

[1:41:25] we review it the law department if

[1:41:27] somebody says

[1:41:28] >> no

[1:41:30] they're testing it then the law

[1:41:31] department reviews it and then they

[1:41:33] they'll bring it to court.

[1:41:35] >> Go ahead.

[1:41:36] >> So it's a little off this but I did

[1:41:38] recently have a phone call from a

[1:41:40] resident who had received the higher

[1:41:43] ticket and basically said were you

[1:41:46] there? Oh that's my car.

[1:41:49] um etc. And I So my question is, which

[1:41:52] is not related to the budget, I'm sorry,

[1:41:54] but I told her to call the police

[1:41:57] department or go down to the police

[1:41:58] department and and is that was that the

[1:42:01] right advice to give this person?

[1:42:02] >> Yes. If the person thinks it's not their

[1:42:04] car, then um traffic would definitely

[1:42:07] look at it. A lot of times we get

[1:42:09] they're saying that there's no way that

[1:42:10] I would do something like that. And if

[1:42:12] that's the case, then we would say the

[1:42:14] law department would be the way to go.

[1:42:15] Um

[1:42:16] >> gotcha. So they would be able to do a

[1:42:19] ticket in the mail actually has a link

[1:42:21] where they can watch the video of the

[1:42:23] vehicle

[1:42:26] the ticket video pictures and all sorts

[1:42:28] of things happen. But if some for some

[1:42:30] reason they say that's not my car then

[1:42:33] that would be like okay we could we

[1:42:34] could review it and we would say okay

[1:42:35] that's a license plate that's not a a

[1:42:38] blue Buick

[1:42:39] >> and then we would be able to tell that

[1:42:41] there's an issue with the registration

[1:42:43] vehicle and we could take care of that.

[1:42:44] But if it's there's no way that I don't

[1:42:46] think that I actually ran through it.

[1:42:49] >> Most people 99% of the people aren't

[1:42:52] don't say that because it's it's clearly

[1:42:54] clear as that. You actually see like

[1:42:56] four angles. I think it's three or four

[1:42:57] depending on the box. You actually see

[1:42:58] yourself going through it. Um it's very clear. I would say that's all

[1:43:04] part because once the ticket's issued,

[1:43:05] we can't unless it's a technical issue,

[1:43:07] we can't get rid of it. So it's

[1:43:09] >> so once the ticket is issued.

[1:43:11] >> Okay. So thank you. So you said that

[1:43:15] this is an estimate of how much we would

[1:43:16] get. So there's room for negotiation

[1:43:19] that we could get 60% versus 50.

[1:43:22] >> It's possible. Um I believe that the 50

[1:43:24] is going to probably be where it is, but

[1:43:26] we there's the potential. There is

[1:43:29] potential for that. The uh our bus

[1:43:32] patrol started off as a different rate

[1:43:35] and then we renewed after a year. Mhm.

[1:43:37] >> Uh our commissioner really beat him up

[1:43:40] and got us a better rate after one year.

[1:43:42] And

[1:43:43] >> Oh, I remember that.

[1:43:44] >> Yes, we uh we are now doing much better.

[1:43:47] >> So, we have not signed obviously signed

[1:43:50] anything. It's a master service

[1:43:51] agreement. It's um we don't pay anything

[1:43:54] for the company that we currently engage

[1:43:57] with. The city pays no money with. It's

[1:43:59] they install everything. They do

[1:44:01] everything. They collect some money. Um,

[1:44:04] but there was no cost to us, but there

[1:44:08] would be a negotiation phase to it. So,

[1:44:11] >> does that mean I can increase this to

[1:44:13] 400,000?

[1:44:16] » I was if uh if anybody knows the

[1:44:18] governor, if they want to call her, have

[1:44:20] her sign the right.

[1:44:22] I know soon as she get obviously we want

[1:44:25] to do a uh a campaign right away to

[1:44:28] advise everybody. That's definitely the

[1:44:31] right way to do it is to we can even

[1:44:33] they starting sooner than later to put

[1:44:36] it out say these are coming just uh once

[1:44:40] she signs it. I believe it's the

[1:44:41] following month that they can start

[1:44:43] putting them out. I think is how the how

[1:44:44] the law works.

[1:44:45] >> Mhm.

[1:44:46] >> And I think they can get them in like 7

[1:44:48] to 14 days if we were to go into certain

[1:44:50] companies and everybody reading their

[1:44:52] contract is signed pretty quick. But you

[1:44:55] definitely want to do a at least a month

[1:44:59] or several weeks of a of a campaign. Let

[1:45:01] people know what's happening because

[1:45:04] stick them out there.

[1:45:06] >> And they do do a like a mailing out

[1:45:09] campaign. So it's it can be however long

[1:45:12] it's decided where they'll get like a

[1:45:15] warning for a certain amount of time.

[1:45:17] They'll get to actually get a m warning

[1:45:19] to say you're you're speeding and slow

[1:45:23] down.

[1:45:24] Um, Mr. Go ahead.

[1:45:26] >> So, do you can you get the legislative

[1:45:29] the number of Oh, you have it. Thank

[1:45:31] you. Cuz I

[1:45:32] >> like to follow up on this.

[1:45:37] » Thank you.

[1:45:42] » All right. Any other questions for the

[1:45:44] chief?

[1:45:46] >> Well, in terms of the funding, this is

[1:45:48] the detail is categorized under the

[1:45:50] funding on the revenue. Yes.

[1:45:53] >> 26 and yes.

[1:45:58] >> Do you have where where would this fall

[1:46:00] or that is it owns its own line? I

[1:46:04] believe he I believe commissioner put on

[1:46:07] >> you talking about that this um detail we

[1:46:10] covered 219,000 but it's not in

[1:46:16] the

[1:46:19] 26 26

[1:46:22] B okay

[1:46:30] 26

[1:46:34] Okay. Are there any other questions for

[1:46:37] the chief?

[1:46:38] >> Well,

[1:46:39] um I think that I I think he probably

[1:46:42] had to had to leave, but Mr. Williams

[1:46:44] had asked about a couple of the capital

[1:46:47] budget pieces,

[1:46:50] >> right? I think he answered one of the

[1:46:53] greens.

[1:46:54] >> It was answered.

[1:46:56] >> Oh. Oh, this is an old I thought this we

[1:46:58] just got this tonight. I think the name

[1:47:01] October 22nd is the date from this

[1:47:04] morning

[1:47:06] in our packet tonight.

[1:47:07] >> Yeah.

[1:47:09] >> So,

[1:47:11] he's um two of his recommendations and I

[1:47:13] know we've had the discussion already

[1:47:15] about the capital fund uh the capital

[1:47:18] budget doesn't affect our what we're

[1:47:20] looking for here, but it would affect us

[1:47:22] next year. So, I think it's worth um

[1:47:24] trying to ask the questions. And so on

[1:47:27] his behalf, um he's wondering um about

[1:47:32] removing from the police department

[1:47:34] halfway allocations as well as um

[1:47:38] removing department evidence storage

[1:47:41] solutions. Um so that would be 273K for

[1:47:45] the first two gate the other. Um so

[1:47:48] would you like to talk about what impact

[1:47:50] that would have if we were to um try to

[1:47:55] reduce the capital budget by

[1:47:57] >> so I'll start off with the evidence um

[1:48:00] that one I've actually tried to apply

[1:48:02] for grant in the past um and that one

[1:48:05] right now

[1:48:07] we have compensation

[1:48:10] to um that are in and out is full so

[1:48:15] we're supposed to be pulling it policy

[1:48:17] says cuz we're actually pulled u port

[1:48:20] prisoners in and out

[1:48:22] >> and we can't because it is full of uh we

[1:48:26] have motorcycles, we have bikes, we have

[1:48:30] um our deliveries and other items coming

[1:48:33] inside of there. So, we have no room in

[1:48:36] there because where we were supposed to

[1:48:37] keep that stuff is full evidence. So

[1:48:40] down in the parking lot uh right across

[1:48:43] from that is completely full of evidence

[1:48:46] and our basement is completely full of

[1:48:47] evidence and we have absolutely no room

[1:48:51] left for it.

[1:48:52] >> Okay.

[1:48:53] >> Um and besides that

[1:48:55] >> besides that we actually uh we have 10

[1:48:57] freezers in our basement that uh is

[1:49:00] currently they're overheated and we're

[1:49:03] getting them work done regularly because

[1:49:05] we don't have any wreck in that in the

[1:49:08] building. We wanted to do I thought we

[1:49:10] were going to do a bigger project, but I

[1:49:12] think that future years it's going to be

[1:49:14] extremely expensive,

[1:49:15] >> right?

[1:49:15] >> So, I did not ask uh for a $30,000

[1:49:19] um HVAC mini smaller project that we had

[1:49:23] quote for last year to get uh air

[1:49:26] conditioning or renting in our freezing

[1:49:30] water. And though all our freezers are

[1:49:32] full, so we need freezer space. Um,

[1:49:36] unfortunately I think we're we're out of

[1:49:37] it. So we have to buy we had to buy

[1:49:39] another freezer and we have a place to

[1:49:40] put it. So lost $10,000. So long story

[1:49:44] short is we that is the most crucial

[1:49:47] thing of anything. Obviously we talk

[1:49:48] about the other things but we are

[1:49:50] chucked out of space and we we need we

[1:49:54] need space very badly. One of the

[1:49:56] reasons for that is that the state

[1:49:58] changed the detention rates that we had

[1:49:59] to. So now we can't get rid of evidence.

[1:50:02] Yeah. We wanted to

[1:50:04] one was unfunded mandates where they had

[1:50:06] to keep these for 30 years now and

[1:50:08] >> 30 years.

[1:50:10] >> We gave up our break room for store

[1:50:13] evidence. We just keep losing space in

[1:50:14] that building store evidence that has to

[1:50:17] be stored for a horse of 30 years and

[1:50:20] she just me but we budgeted we budgeted

[1:50:24] higher than 250,000 ready to cut it

[1:50:26] down.

[1:50:28] >> Yes. We asked for uh as we asked for uh

[1:50:33] for storage freezer and training and it

[1:50:36] got cut from the 700 down 250 free spot

[1:50:40] for now so you can move some stuff

[1:50:42] around. So it moves down to uh down to

[1:50:44] the the

[1:50:46] like and obviously next year we coming

[1:50:48] back and asking for another one.

[1:50:51] >> And then the other well just to finish

[1:50:54] the other one that Mr. Williams was

[1:50:56] asking about was half the vehicle

[1:50:58] obligation as well.

[1:51:00] >> I had an appointment.

[1:51:01] >> Yes. Well, obviously we we don't want

[1:51:03] to, but if that's a decision that um

[1:51:06] there is, then we wouldn't do that.

[1:51:07] Right now, that was cut down from the

[1:51:10] initial uh we had asked for um 13

[1:51:14] >> 13 I think that's down to I think. So,

[1:51:16] that's one parking vehicle, three patrol

[1:51:18] vehicles, and four detected vehicles.

[1:51:21] One evidence down.

[1:51:22] >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, one evidence. Yes.

[1:51:23] So that's if we hadn't do the math that

[1:51:27] we would we would make deal with if we

[1:51:29] did do that. So whatever

[1:51:30] >> the danger with that is we're talking

[1:51:33] the ability to buy cars next March or

[1:51:36] next May and it's usually about a

[1:51:38] one-year process from getting it and

[1:51:40] getting it updated before it hits the

[1:51:41] streets. The ones that were approved

[1:51:43] that we purchased this past May, we

[1:51:45] haven't even had them yet.

[1:51:48] >> One today actually yesterday.

[1:51:50] >> Or was that from the year before? That

[1:51:51] was from the year before. So May of 24,

[1:51:54] >> we haven't gotten those colors yet. So

[1:51:56] there's always that black.

[1:52:01] » So I'm going to finish up the shipping.

[1:52:05] I haven't

[1:52:07] is that essential

[1:52:09] buy from people

[1:52:12] like

[1:52:13] >> that's in the capital

[1:52:16] anywhere. So we're actually speaking to

[1:52:19] the mayor either locate them in an area

[1:52:22] of our parking lot that's currently

[1:52:24] grass a grassy null or even potentially

[1:52:27] put them on top of the police department

[1:52:29] because there's a flat roof that can

[1:52:30] wait stand that way just looking for

[1:52:32] space to utilize in l of building a

[1:52:35] building or buying a building

[1:52:39] on top of the building it we we haven't

[1:52:43] gone through that betting process yes

[1:52:45] it's 40 ft by 8 ft and it would be this

[1:52:49] a full freezer it'd be a a freezer 8540

[1:52:53] freezer

[1:52:53] >> which is more efficient than running 10

[1:52:55] individual commercial

[1:52:56] >> yes you're using less power it's an

[1:52:59] investment it's a lower cost time

[1:53:03] >> thank you and the important of this for

[1:53:04] the importance of this for cold cases

[1:53:06] DNA everything to save kids things like

[1:53:10] that

[1:53:13] for sure

[1:53:14] >> yeah

[1:53:16] so um so with the vehicle questions like

[1:53:18] in 2020 when we're putting our 2025

[1:53:21] budget together. There was a request for

[1:53:23] two SUVs, three hybrids vans, and a

[1:53:27] hybrid van.

[1:53:28] >> Yes.

[1:53:28] So, none of those two say we

[1:53:33] received this point.

[1:53:34] >> Yep. So, on those um so what did we So,

[1:53:38] what were the uh what were the what did

[1:53:41] we actually

[1:53:41] >> Yes. You in 20 for the 2025 budget as

[1:53:44] two SUVs.

[1:53:45] >> Yeah.

[1:53:46] >> 300 sedans.

[1:53:47] >> Yeah.

[1:53:47] >> And three hybrid vans.

[1:53:49] >> 300 vans. We received some of them. So,

[1:53:51] the three hybrids, uh, those are on order and three hybrid

[1:53:59] sedan sedans. We actually went with, um,

[1:54:01] EVs. We received one of those today and

[1:54:04] the other two are on order. And then the

[1:54:06] two SUVs,

[1:54:08] um, we looked to order one of those. Uh,

[1:54:12] got the mini bid back the other day, but

[1:54:13] did not pull the trigger on it. and the

[1:54:15] other one. And um

[1:54:18] I don't think we worked that yet.

[1:54:21] >> So with the hybrids, is that going to be

[1:54:22] an increased cost? Uh excuse me, with

[1:54:24] the EV, it's going to be increase

[1:54:26] instead of just a hybrid versus a

[1:54:28] straight EV is what you said that you

[1:54:30] ordered instead of

[1:54:31] >> No. No. So no, there's the same. We we

[1:54:34] stay within the within the capital

[1:54:35] within the budget. No, everything's been

[1:54:37] within those within the lines.

[1:54:40] So now the 20 for the 2026 budget we

[1:54:43] just need three more is

[1:54:46] >> yes

[1:54:47] >> a total of five in the last

[1:54:49] >> yes two years to replace to

[1:54:52] >> yeah to replace yes so we had we the

[1:54:55] SUVs that are patrol cars are frontline

[1:54:57] cars so those are the ones that to get

[1:55:01] unfortunately those are beat up pretty

[1:55:03] heavily so the ones that are for patrol

[1:55:05] those are the ones that need to be those

[1:55:06] are hybrids the SUVs

[1:55:09] the uh patrol interceptors, they're all

[1:55:12] those end up getting rid of our chargers

[1:55:14] that we had. Those are back from uh 2020

[1:55:18] maybe or 2019 I think is our oldest one

[1:55:20] we have now. So those are all getting

[1:55:21] phased out. Our old ones are down on

[1:55:23] phosph getting auctioned off.

[1:55:25] >> Oh my question. Absolutely.

[1:55:28] >> We every time we get auctioned off if

[1:55:31] there's something that's semidecent and

[1:55:33] fast we have all of the other um bure

[1:55:37] they are interested because

[1:55:41] um

[1:55:43] they do get everything that we have is

[1:55:48] an accident

[1:55:51] money

[1:55:52] >> money goes back into the revenue and not

[1:55:54] our budget but there's a line

[1:55:57] uh general and I think

[1:56:00] >> no general

[1:56:01] >> in the uh there's a line that's sale of

[1:56:04] vehicles.

[1:56:05] >> Oh yeah, I can see.

[1:56:07] >> So you mentioned about parking with some

[1:56:10] of the people.

[1:56:12] Can we pass that at least

[1:56:14] not the parks department because of the

[1:56:18] only from about 8:00 in the morning or 7

[1:56:20] to 5?

[1:56:21] >> So we did do that. That's typically what

[1:56:22] we do do is we bring them. It's uh

[1:56:24] actually right now actually we did do

[1:56:26] that with one of our our last vehicles

[1:56:28] that was moved forward to parking. So we

[1:56:31] have two sorry right now we have three

[1:56:33] vehicles parking I believe that were our

[1:56:35] old vehicles and the other one is a is

[1:56:36] an EV um that we had was a Chevy Bolt

[1:56:40] and the plan was to buy you know a Chevy

[1:56:43] Bolt for next year. The one of the

[1:56:46] vehicles in parking is just uh I think

[1:56:49] it's pretty much fall apart. So I I

[1:56:53] think the conversation about the capital

[1:56:55] budget when we did this a day or two was

[1:57:00] more of um can we hold off on capital

[1:57:04] spending because of the situation we at

[1:57:07] the moment we're facing a a budget a

[1:57:10] proposed budget of 17%. And then fees on

[1:57:14] top of that and then this is not going

[1:57:17] to affect the budget. be borrowing

[1:57:19] money, but we have to we have taxpayers

[1:57:21] going to have to pay for this in 2027.

[1:57:24] >> That's more borrowing than them already.

[1:57:25] Now, we're pushing that into next year.

[1:57:27] >> So, that was open discussion a couple

[1:57:29] days ago in terms of can we put these

[1:57:32] off.

[1:57:33] >> I would say that that you can I would

[1:57:35] just say that, you know, I just my only

[1:57:38] thing would be in the future, you know,

[1:57:39] I might come back and say that we need

[1:57:42] vehicles and I just don't want to I

[1:57:43] don't want to keep getting too far down

[1:57:45] the road. Absolutely. You know,

[1:57:46] whatever. If the council decides that,

[1:57:48] then we will live with whatever the

[1:57:50] council sides the the evidence. I

[1:57:52] wouldn't I mean to ask you to strongly

[1:57:56] consider not cutting that.

[1:57:57] >> Um but the vehicles, if you had to cut

[1:57:59] that in half, I would say that we will deal with whatever you guys have

[1:58:04] to have to do to do what's right for the

[1:58:06] city.

[1:58:08] >> But right now, you have three SUVs for K

[1:58:11] North. So, are you saying

[1:58:14] I'll say two two police and two unmarked

[1:58:18] and could you and then you still want

[1:58:20] the parking?

[1:58:20] >> I would love to have they are they do a

[1:58:23] very good job for us and that's going to

[1:58:25] actually be able to buy it and we

[1:58:29] actually find a we team on that. So, uh

[1:58:31] it would actually be be pretty pretty

[1:58:33] reasonable

[1:58:34] to keep

[1:58:36] that.

[1:58:40] Thank you.

[1:58:42] for bringing that up. Yeah,

[1:58:44] because you know it's good that we have

[1:58:46] saw this memo from

[1:58:49] Williams.

[1:58:50] >> Yes.

[1:58:50] >> About the discussion and things about

[1:58:52] it. That's what the whole s discussion

[1:58:55] about the capital budget is because of

[1:58:59] >> we need to get out of where we are right

[1:59:01] now

[1:59:02] >> and then we need to find a recovery how

[1:59:05] we move forward in the 2017.

[1:59:08] Uh any other question on this part?

[1:59:11] So I don't want to continue going but

[1:59:13] there are two more questions that was

[1:59:15] asked of me. So I don't want I want to

[1:59:17] miss out and have to come back.

[1:59:20] >> You want to know about going or somebody

[1:59:23] going

[1:59:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. So the question was I just

[1:59:27] noticed that I see what line

[1:59:30] >> but it doubled.

[1:59:31] >> Yeah. The question was that it doubled

[1:59:34] and I was thinking and I was just trying

[1:59:36] to figure out that's line

[1:59:39] >> A 1789

[1:59:42] >> and and and a so I was just trying to

[1:59:44] figure out

[1:59:46] >> why how did we get to doubling

[1:59:49] >> so we were asked to come up with way to

[1:59:52] increase revenues

[1:59:54] months ago and that was just one way

[1:59:58] it was

[2:00:00] >> we we we did renegotiate Which animal

[2:00:03] responsibility

[2:00:09] charge the people that are actually

[2:00:11] total numbers contract

[2:00:14] year or two ago?

[2:00:16] >> Yes.

[2:00:16] >> That is kicking in this year.

[2:00:21] » Go ahead. So you said you double the

[2:00:23] illustrated.

[2:00:26] So who is that? Is that who is that?

[2:00:31] The people who are um getting their car

[2:00:34] is divided between the two of them.

[2:00:38] Typically companies

[2:00:42] typically it's it's on insurance calls.

[2:00:45] >> Okay. So accidents I understand.

[2:00:48] However, if someone's getting their

[2:00:49] parts over because of the license

[2:00:53] and so on, those double cs are in.

[2:00:56] >> Yes. Question. Yes.

[2:00:59] >> Well, okay. If it's a parking violation,

[2:01:02] I guess it would be, right?

[2:01:06] >> Or or if you're driving registration or

[2:01:09] license,

[2:01:10] you can't get somebody to take time.

[2:01:14] If if it's a police request

[2:01:19] drive

[2:01:24] » I think we're talking $35 or $70.

[2:01:27] >> Yes. Yes.

[2:01:31] » Um well can I go further with that? So

[2:01:35] what you if you're including these

[2:01:37] before for the total for the um to

[2:01:40] amounts

[2:01:42] those search charges only for the

[2:01:44] administration it didn't include um the

[2:01:46] impound lot is a totally separate page.

[2:01:49] So how so I understand how to search

[2:01:52] charge for the towing but the impound

[2:01:54] lot is that is our lot is it is it

[2:01:57] somebody else's lot right?

[2:01:58] >> Yes. So right now uh they can char the

[2:02:01] tow companies charge up to $200 for a

[2:02:02] toe and the city gets $35 per toe and

[2:02:06] then the impound lot they the tow

[2:02:09] companies take them back and tow there

[2:02:11] and they get 70 up to $75 per day. City

[2:02:14] gets $10 per day. So we would double

[2:02:16] that to $20 per day and double the

[2:02:19] amount of money.

[2:02:19] >> Oh. So we're only doubling the fee for

[2:02:22] the lot. That 75 doesn't become 50.

[2:02:25] >> Correct. Correct.

[2:02:27] So, and we they could we could either

[2:02:28] tell them that we want to keep $75 and

[2:02:30] take money from the toe company or

[2:02:31] negotiate that or say it wants to be $85

[2:02:34] >> and then you just add $10.

[2:02:37] >> Okay.

[2:02:40] >> I thought they Isn't there like a limit

[2:02:42] that they can charge per day like state

[2:02:44] law or something like that? Like they

[2:02:45] can't No, that so that

[2:02:49] >> Okay. Okay.

[2:02:53] but either way 10,000 and okay

[2:02:59] » sorry again I'm just looking at

[2:03:01] Australian sheet was one other one is

[2:03:05] which is the uh it's 3120 a 312402

[2:03:12] um

[2:03:14] and it I think he's looking at the um

[2:03:17] public safety foundation which in this

[2:03:20] budget for 2026 is at 10,000 instead of

[2:03:25] the 25,000 that we used to have. Um but

[2:03:28] I don't understand I guess

[2:03:30] >> I'm not really understanding Mr.

[2:03:31] Everybody else is um

[2:03:33] >> yeah he's looking at the actual we have

[2:03:35] outstanding invoices

[2:03:37] the public safety

[2:03:40] happen

[2:03:44] the one in the park

[2:03:47] of all the invo

[2:03:49] >> today

[2:03:51] um I believe they all had um for that

[2:03:54] event and any all other events

[2:03:56] everything what we have not done um

[2:03:59] after anyone was done with the

[2:04:01] you have say Halloween.

[2:04:05] We did not do the

[2:04:10] don't

[2:04:14] » and we did not do there's several ones

[2:04:16] that we did not do obviously not paid

[2:04:19] for towards the end of the year when the

[2:04:21] budget for the last couple months uh

[2:04:23] just the budget started we heard the

[2:04:26] budget was getting

[2:04:27] >> actually tighter we just we didn't try

[2:04:31] to consult we were concerned

[2:04:35] Okay. You know what? I'm asking I was

[2:04:36] the wrong It was the wrong line. Um, Mr.

[2:04:39] Williams,

[2:04:40] >> he is asking that line.

[2:04:41] >> Yeah, he's asking also.

[2:04:43] >> He said, but I said the wrong one.

[2:04:46] >> 4.5

[2:04:49] reducing less%.

[2:04:51] >> I said the wrong one. But

[2:04:52] >> yeah,

[2:04:54] >> Go ahead.

[2:04:56] >> He he because I couldn't figure it out

[2:04:58] myself, but I gave you the wrong. It's

[2:04:59] 402, not 40. I was talking about 402B,

[2:05:02] the public safety foundation, but

[2:05:04] actually Mr. Williams's question is

[2:05:06] about the administrative expense 31242,

[2:05:10] which the budget um I mean year to date

[2:05:15] we've spent um only 48

[2:05:18] >> uh 48% of it, 48.7K.

[2:05:22] Um and in the 2026 budget, um it's being

[2:05:28] reduced

[2:05:32] It's not uh it's not being reduced. And

[2:05:35] so I think I think I don't want to put

[2:05:36] words into his mouth.

[2:05:38] >> So from from the 2025 adopted to the

[2:05:41] 2026 for is being reduced by 700

[2:05:46] >> 11 1,700. Yeah. 1,700.

[2:05:49] So Mr. Williams is asking that reduced

[2:05:52] by another 25%.

[2:05:53] >> Oh.

[2:05:56] >> Okay. I wasn't sure what his note was.

[2:05:58] Okay. So he's suggesting reducing it an

[2:06:01] additional 25,000

[2:06:02] >> based on so I want to get your your

[2:06:04] thought on that as well. Does the trade

[2:06:06] on expense?

[2:06:10] >> So there's it was 25. We we proposed to

[2:06:13] 107500.

[2:06:16] » No, I gave you the wrong one. I'm sorry.

[2:06:20] You did not borrow to um A, B, or C.

[2:06:24] want to add this

[2:06:27] or you could be right here.

[2:06:29] >> I I say so

[2:06:32] >> it's really the regular administrative

[2:06:34] expense but that but Mr. Williams Mr.

[2:06:36] Williams is saying perhaps we could

[2:06:40] reduce

[2:06:41] >> $10,000. Yes, he's suggesting reducing

[2:06:44] it by $25,000.

[2:06:46] And I think that he's saying that

[2:06:48] because year to date, which I know these

[2:06:51] are don't have all our figures in, but

[2:06:54] year to date

[2:06:56] >> 48.7.

[2:06:58] >> Yeah, we're only at 48.7.

[2:07:01] So, but again, maybe it's the last maybe

[2:07:04] it's because the last quarter

[2:07:07] >> contracts renewed. So, I know we just

[2:07:10] contracts when they're due.

[2:07:11] >> We just renewed. We've got our copy

[2:07:13] release. We just signed um couple days

[2:07:17] ago. So, I got to find out what that is.

[2:07:20] Um I can tell you that historically, but

[2:07:22] I'm not sure if this is still practice,

[2:07:24] but Commissioner Ferrari had us buy some

[2:07:27] supplies at the end of the year, and

[2:07:29] that was that would be common practice

[2:07:32] prior to the beginning of the year

[2:07:34] because we had a surplus. I don't know.

[2:07:36] That's the practice I'm going right now.

[2:07:38] >> Original requested 1234 before it was

[2:07:41] knocked down, but

[2:07:41] >> Oh, okay.

[2:07:43] >> But um I can see exactly what we had

[2:07:48] coming up for that.

[2:07:52] >> No, want a big one.

[2:07:53] >> That was that's our supply.

[2:07:57] >> Yeah. So on on administrative?

[2:08:00] >> No, that's that's our supply.

[2:08:03] This is our guardian software

[2:08:07] or not guardian software. Um

[2:08:10] our errors miserction

[2:08:15] of drugs

[2:08:21] reimbursements

[2:08:24] shredded.

[2:08:28] So I can go back to that and actually

[2:08:31] see what we've spent out of that to see

[2:08:33] more detail and see what kind of effect

[2:08:37] that would have on us.

[2:08:38] >> Okay. Thank you again. I'm Mr. Williams.

[2:08:42] Thanks you

[2:08:47] » October 9mber.

[2:08:55] Yeah, I guess so. Any

[2:08:58] other questions?

[2:09:01] There's one more on my

[2:09:04] just

[2:09:06] be addressing about bus control. Um bus

[2:09:10] patrol was not reducing the numbers. Um

[2:09:14] reduced by 200,000 from last year this

[2:09:17] year. Um so the answer to put in mind

[2:09:21] what we actually received. So this year

[2:09:24] to date uh as of uh the end of September

[2:09:29] we are at $249

[2:09:33] called $250,000

[2:09:35] and

[2:09:37] um we renegotiated

[2:09:41] the wait 300 July. So now we feel that

[2:09:44] 400,000 is an actual number compared to

[2:09:48] 600,000.

[2:09:49] The renegotiation made it so that during

[2:09:53] the summer months there there used to be

[2:09:54] a technology fee. We no longer have to

[2:09:56] pay that which was eating up all the

[2:09:59] revenue that we had throughout the

[2:10:01] summer months. And our source technology

[2:10:03] feeding is cut in half throughout the

[2:10:04] rest of the year. So that really um

[2:10:08] saved us about $200,000 a year

[2:10:10] automatically uh without

[2:10:13] feeds a little bit different now. And I

[2:10:16] know that we have a lot of unflected

[2:10:18] funds.

[2:10:20] Um we also owed 955,000 well 955,000

[2:10:25] uncollected funds there and we're owed

[2:10:27] about 60% of that as well. So there's

[2:10:30] about $600,000 of uncollected funds out

[2:10:32] there.

[2:10:35] >> How much does that

[2:10:37] um about $600,000 $50 million out there?

[2:10:40] About $600,000. So, we have currently

[2:10:43] $250,000

[2:10:45] actual.

[2:10:46] >> Yeah.

[2:10:46] >> What do you receive?

[2:10:47] >> Yeah. 250.

[2:10:48] >> $600,000 outstanding.

[2:10:50] >> Mhm.

[2:10:51] >> That over the last two years um

[2:10:53] outstanding. Currently in the last year,

[2:10:57] right now we have $147,000.

[2:11:01] It's

[2:11:03] where about

[2:11:06] 10 minutes depending on

[2:11:09] 50% or a lot of involved and they don't

[2:11:13] collect

[2:11:15] on it that would be 60%. But there at a

[2:11:19] minimum 50%. Uh 22 271 to 360 days

[2:11:24] 147,000.

[2:11:26] 181 to 270 is 178,000.

[2:11:31] 90 to 80.

[2:11:34] Less than 90 days is 90,000. Those are

[2:11:38] uncontested unpaid tickets. We have uh

[2:11:43] people that have contested it and

[2:11:45] they've lost. Um and that is $10,000. So

[2:11:49] that's we have $5,000.

[2:11:52] >> The revenue revenue line is that

[2:11:56] 26.

[2:11:57] >> So if we

[2:12:00] actual it's 250,000 and that is like

[2:12:03] it's current or in September.

[2:12:05] >> That's current that's as of uh today I

[2:12:08] just got the end of September number

[2:12:10] sorry. So that's through September 30th.

[2:12:12] >> Through September 30th I don't have I

[2:12:14] won't get I usually like between around

[2:12:16] October 10th I'll have the numbers

[2:12:18] through October. So look at the car for

[2:12:20] September and look at how much you have

[2:12:22] outstanding $600,000 that

[2:12:25] >> that's 356

[2:12:26] >> that is due to

[2:12:27] >> what's

[2:12:29] >> are they any recovery effort in terms of

[2:12:31] that by the law department but

[2:12:33] >> right now the law department I believe

[2:12:35] is working they're working on getting

[2:12:38] I believe they're working on getting

[2:12:39] something

[2:12:40] >> we're working on but by the same token

[2:12:42] it's $200,000 these are not parking

[2:12:44] tickets

[2:12:46] >> and these these folk I the police

[2:12:49] department will will say that people who

[2:12:51] are getting these tickets are contesting

[2:12:52] these tickets. These are not $50

[2:12:54] tickets. These are, you know, you go on

[2:12:57] a certain day of the week and there's

[2:12:59] bus patrol tickets going on that we're

[2:13:01] prosecuting. So you I think that there's

[2:13:04] figures that the police department has

[2:13:06] provided are figures to go by in light

[2:13:10] of the fact that we have to deal with,

[2:13:13] you know, people who are contesting

[2:13:15] these tickets. As the chief said, $50 is different from $200. $200,

[2:13:22] you know, it's an incentive for people

[2:13:24] to contest the tickets if they feel that

[2:13:26] they have been

[2:13:28] already wrong. And also

[2:13:32] this is not where you know we're talking

[2:13:34] about parking you're talking about

[2:13:35] parking tickets about going to DMV.

[2:13:38] These aren't being lean these don't

[2:13:40] impact and this is probably you know a

[2:13:43] deficit in the legislation that these

[2:13:46] tickets these unpaid tickets are not

[2:13:48] impacting the vehicle when people go to

[2:13:50] register. Oh

[2:13:52] >> do you? So that's, you know, if that was

[2:13:55] me referred to DM on big tickets,

[2:14:00] then people would when the registrations

[2:14:02] would come up, they would see all these

[2:14:04] tickets on the because the tickets

[2:14:06] aren't to the person, they're to the

[2:14:07] vehicle.

[2:14:08] >> Right. Right.

[2:14:09] >> This is a lot of work for a lot of this.

[2:14:12] is you should be up there because

[2:14:14] we've got people contesting it. We show

[2:14:16] people the video. We talk to the people

[2:14:18] beforehand. We That's on pre-trial day.

[2:14:21] And then even after that we have to then

[2:14:23] go to trial with you know with the with

[2:14:26] witnesses and documentation. So I think

[2:14:29] the figures that the police department

[2:14:31] are giving you are real estate figures

[2:14:35] and then you know there's a broader

[2:14:36] issue about bus you know you know bus

[2:14:39] control you know tickets as far as

[2:14:42] getting that revenue that's for UNC you

[2:14:45] know those those tickets where people

[2:14:48] default if you will not

[2:14:50] >> in terms of percentage getting thrown

[2:14:53] out

[2:14:55] >> I I can only give you that off hand I

[2:14:57] mean I keep

[2:14:57] >> I mean over the last several months.

[2:15:00] >> I I I'll have to look at I can't give

[2:15:03] that figure to you right off hand. I'll

[2:15:05] talk to the staff in our office who

[2:15:07] prosecutes the tickets

[2:15:09] >> if you don't mind cuz we we would like

[2:15:10] to look at that to kind of gauge oursel

[2:15:13] in terms of what is being

[2:15:16] >> contested ticket

[2:15:19] boss patrol and how much are being told

[2:15:21] and how much are being challenged

[2:15:23] because it's it's it is you know we're

[2:15:26] talking about you know you know the

[2:15:28] amount of you know there's there's

[2:15:29] police time on these tickets and there's

[2:15:32] corporation count time on these tickets

[2:15:34] as well as so um just managing the

[2:15:38] expectations.

[2:15:40] >> So in those cases where people are

[2:15:42] contesting

[2:15:44] usually they offer like a reduction to

[2:15:48] >> the trouble is that it doesn't we're

[2:15:51] this is we have no wiggle room

[2:15:53] >> understood okay I got you there's no

[2:15:56] wiggle room

[2:15:59] >> so Mr. Can I just ask a question? So,

[2:16:01] basically, just to get back to it,

[2:16:03] >> the $400,000 is a realistic number. Yes.

[2:16:06] >> And we should not touch that.

[2:16:07] >> I agree that $4,000 is a is a realistic

[2:16:10] number. And I would say that I will keep

[2:16:13] an eye on it for some reason. It starts

[2:16:15] to that we're we are seeing an increase

[2:16:18] now with the new contract

[2:16:20] and it was going great. I will probably

[2:16:22] come with you next year and say, "Hey,

[2:16:23] you know,

[2:16:24] >> a million

[2:16:27] say, you know, happen to the year." say,

[2:16:28] "Hey, if there's something else you guys

[2:16:29] want to do, there's, you know, where

[2:16:30] there's an extra it might be at

[2:16:32] $500,000. You got an extra $100,000 to

[2:16:34] do something with, but I would say I

[2:16:35] would keep I would keep

[2:16:37] >> I would I would keep $400,000."

[2:16:39] >> Did you um did you factor in the

[2:16:40] uncollected into this $400?

[2:16:42] >> I did not include any uncollected

[2:16:49] over the years.

[2:16:51] >> They right now I don't know how about

[2:16:54] this to go about the act like that.

[2:16:56] Right now, bus patrol is in talk about

[2:16:59] how they're going to do the collecting.

[2:17:03] I think there's um possibly they might

[2:17:06] be changing the way the ticket thinking

[2:17:08] process is working so that they might be

[2:17:09] able to do a civil um a different

[2:17:13] process possibly or um part they have to

[2:17:17] contest and they have to it's a lot of

[2:17:20] being that in order to get a judgment um

[2:17:24] it's a lot of work for them.

[2:17:26] Um

[2:17:28] >> because it's a lot of spending $600,000.

[2:17:30] Does this mean does this sort charge

[2:17:33] added to this?

[2:17:34] >> There's no right now 250 and that's it.

[2:17:37] >> This is there's no open legislation

[2:17:39] right now. So in the future there's

[2:17:41] potentially we could come to you if

[2:17:44] there's a process in place to say to add

[2:17:46] legislation to this. I don't actually I

[2:17:49] don't know if that's even possible but

[2:17:51] it's it's the state law. It's a state

[2:17:53] law.

[2:17:55] takes 200 hours and that's why you can't

[2:17:59] there's no room for negotiations as far

[2:18:00] as

[2:18:01] >> yeah because I'm looking at it I mean

[2:18:03] you have done just a little bit of

[2:18:05] parking we make an estimate but I'm

[2:18:07] going to collect x amount of next year I

[2:18:10] mean we should look at this too as a

[2:18:11] potential

[2:18:13] revenue against the outstanding tickets

[2:18:17] >> yeah I mean

[2:18:17] >> so I think we can't just leave that zero

[2:18:20] we definitely going to get some

[2:18:22] >> they're going to be some payments

[2:18:24] against the understanding.

[2:18:25] >> Yeah, there will be some I don't know.

[2:18:27] >> Yeah, I think we just need to make it

[2:18:29] feel

[2:18:34] which line are you talking

[2:18:37] >> but but they just said that they thought

[2:18:38] that 400,000 is realistic

[2:18:43] which is which is a million out there

[2:18:46] 600 of it is. So you think if if you

[2:18:49] know one sick you get if you get you

[2:18:51] know

[2:18:52] >> if you get a chart of it

[2:18:53] >> right

[2:18:53] >> that is that's a little that's a little

[2:18:58] » but we so we just have to balance it out

[2:19:00] with the expense of right

[2:19:03] >> but the expenses already challenge it

[2:19:07] >> yes because you know sometime people are

[2:19:08] not conscious of a there I got a ticket

[2:19:13] on the bus and I think that um get away

[2:19:17] with Okay.

[2:19:18] >> Yeah, that we may want to consider that

[2:19:20] because there's 600 outstanding.

[2:19:25] » Yeah.

[2:19:26] >> Any other question regarding this?

[2:19:28] >> We have any more questions?

[2:19:30] >> I was going to ask you all

[2:19:34] one more inventory.

[2:19:36] >> Mhm.

[2:19:37] you never been.

[2:19:38] >> Would it be

[2:19:40] with regards to the detail and it um pre

[2:19:47] would it be unfair to say that um if we

[2:19:49] were to say okay 50 details for you that would help and at the same time as

[2:19:56] we do that we will have to increase here

[2:19:59] to match whatever is collected

[2:20:01] but right now we spend $24,000 $25,000

[2:20:06] for uh revenue 400,000.

[2:20:09] If we were to say let's double it and

[2:20:12] set aside $50,000 for the time to kind,

[2:20:15] you know, to do to cover those details,

[2:20:19] will that be a a big haul?

[2:20:22] >> Do we mean that it could be done? Maybe

[2:20:25] so never

[2:20:30] we're we're we're putting over time

[2:20:31] there so the officers aware that we have

[2:20:33] no time to cover that. It's not like,

[2:20:34] "Okay, we'll go to work.

[2:20:36] >> We'll figure out where we

[2:20:41] 27 so far this year and um I think he

[2:20:44] said 42

[2:20:48] he did for me for next year."

[2:20:50] >> So, I'm right there

[2:20:54] later. Yeah.

[2:20:59] » I'm think I'm thinking he helping on

[2:21:00] this. So I'll I'll you know

[2:21:03] >> any other question for

[2:21:05] >> So I just wanted to make clear. So if we

[2:21:08] increase the um and based on the number

[2:21:11] so far we would get how much we take in

[2:21:15] to the

[2:21:16] >> 220 it will be it would be like40,000

[2:21:21] but we'll have to take £50,000.

[2:21:24] minus 50.

[2:21:25] >> Okay.

[2:21:27] >> We taking in revenue, but we have to put

[2:21:28] some money there if it ends taking money

[2:21:30] and that um topping out the over.

[2:21:33] >> So, I'm sorry. Could you just tell me

[2:21:34] again the line I was trying that is a 26

[2:21:37] fan?

[2:21:41] » And so you're thinking

[2:21:42] >> Yeah, we'll discuss that when we get

[2:21:44] into the third

[2:21:50] one.

[2:21:52] this like the detailed breakdown on the

[2:21:54] scal

[2:21:57] that's

[2:22:01] trying to clear too much out there

[2:22:03] people know that you know

[2:22:06] >> it's not like you're not hiding you're

[2:22:08] not hiding anything

[2:22:09] >> yeah everyone's watch

[2:22:12] you know paperwork

[2:22:14] any other

[2:22:16] thank you both so much

[2:22:17] >> thank you thank you for coming back and

[2:22:20] Oh,

[2:22:21] good guidance.

[2:22:33] » Mr. Motor, you want to take a break?

[2:22:35] >> Yeah, we can just before we take a

[2:22:37] break.

[2:22:44] » Yes, if you don't mind. Yes, we need

[2:22:45] that from you. We'll take a break. What

[2:22:47] time do you think we are going to try to

[2:22:49] have a hard stop this evening?

[2:22:54] » What time do you want to go?

[2:22:56] >> I just

[2:22:59] >> Oh,

[2:23:02] >> I was kind of thinking 8:30, but

[2:23:05] >> it's

[2:23:07] not

[2:23:10] just starting to get a little

[2:23:15] pushed.

[2:23:17] school.

[2:23:19] >> Yeah, I think the best thing will be if

[2:23:21] council give me an email for whatever

[2:23:23] changes do so then I can then put into

[2:23:26] an Excel spreadsheet for Friday's

[2:23:29] meeting or tomorrow night.

[2:23:32] >> There's the reason why I doing a little

[2:23:34] >> we should probably um line by line.

[2:23:38] No, we line by line we did one of the

[2:23:41] recommended um recommended changes that

[2:23:44] was subjected to the back and forward

[2:23:46] we'll do in the column proposed budget

[2:23:51] we'll list it as council proposed

[2:23:55] proposal

[2:23:55] >> right what we usually do

[2:24:00] » so all the proposal that was submitted

[2:24:01] to you we have them so insert those into

[2:24:05] so they can

[2:24:06] >> unless we disagree with some films from

[2:24:08] the December second Friday. It is to

[2:24:12] discuss it, but we want to see where we

[2:24:13] lie.

[2:24:14] >> So, what else do we need to do tonight

[2:24:15] then

[2:24:16] >> if we're

[2:24:19] doing that tonight? You're going to have

[2:24:20] him go back to his office and give us

[2:24:22] that.

[2:24:23] >> I'm sorry. I'm not understanding.

[2:24:25] >> All council changes will be consolidated

[2:24:28] to one.

[2:24:29] >> Right.

[2:24:32] >> The council mayors.

[2:24:34] >> Right. Right. Right. No, no, no, no, no.

[2:24:37] First,

[2:24:39] let's do it how we used to have them in

[2:24:41] the past.

[2:24:43] Proposed budget. We insert a column.

[2:24:46] We're not doing a separate tree. We

[2:24:48] just, you know, listed line, you know,

[2:24:52] line by line going down whichever they

[2:24:53] propose changes against those line. We

[2:24:56] did we're doing the same thing to the

[2:24:57] revenue too. We maintain the mayor's

[2:24:59] budget as we're going to weed and we're

[2:25:03] putting the council

[2:25:05] >> council

[2:25:05] >> proposal. So we want comparison and okay

[2:25:08] with it and then we have a separate

[2:25:09] torture may proposal city council

[2:25:13] proposal and this is a new total

[2:25:15] >> so

[2:25:16] >> we will discuss that Friday then we say

[2:25:19] you don't you don't like it you like it

[2:25:21] and then we'll move forward and then we

[2:25:23] talk about it at that point we need to

[2:25:24] move forward now because we like the

[2:25:26] show papers that's right

[2:25:28] >> and we do not have numbers to actually

[2:25:30] look at and see where where the actual

[2:25:32] changes need

[2:25:33] >> so so consolidated

[2:25:35] email from for all two years. So we're

[2:25:37] not looking at hundreds of emails trying

[2:25:39] to put everything together.

[2:25:41] >> I mean I mean we have most of the emails

[2:25:46] >> but we just have some more basic

[2:25:47] discussion here. We're going to have

[2:25:48] some more. Okay.

[2:25:50] >> It's Michael's.

[2:25:52] >> I can cut and paste all the emails.

[2:25:54] >> Oh wait, is that

[2:25:57] >> No, we can discuss this discussion.

[2:25:59] >> So

[2:26:00] >> well people in the room so it's really

[2:26:03] no negotiation. trying to formalize how

[2:26:06] we get the report if

[2:26:09] so because we need to we need to look at

[2:26:11] numbers and we need to look at um

[2:26:18] a lot of people make recommendation

[2:26:26] I'm going to make some

[2:26:34] I don't you

[2:39:34] this thing in order.

[2:39:36] >> That's what I

[2:39:38] in terms of my revenue. You go through

[2:39:39] yours in the meantime and try to see if

[2:39:41] we can get u

[2:39:44] some traction.

[2:39:46] >> So, are we done with the revenue part

[2:39:48] yet?

[2:39:48] >> No, we're not. We're about to start it.

[2:39:50] I am going to start my revenue. I'm

[2:39:51] going to make my recommendation.

[2:39:55] >> Shut up and set up. I need to make some

[2:39:57] post.

[2:40:23] » You have to take this out. You have you

[2:40:25] have a copy you have a copy of my email

[2:40:27] and I'm going to go through the email

[2:40:28] that I sent. Everybody has a copy of it.

[2:40:35] » This one

[2:40:43] s

[2:40:45] >> So I'm going to go through this and I'm

[2:40:46] going to tell you which one I make a

[2:40:48] judgment and which one I'm adding.

[2:40:49] >> Okay.

[2:40:50] >> Well, the first one I'm keeping it as

[2:40:52] is.

[2:40:57] It's

[2:40:58] >> 10:02. I'm just saying. Okay. Oh, you

[2:41:01] >> get the email that everybody has a copy

[2:41:03] of this. And then the next one is at um

[2:41:05] A 1116. I'm sticking with that.

[2:41:10] >> Okay. You're not there yet.

[2:41:12] >> So, I'm just trying I'm going to put a

[2:41:14] call.

[2:41:18] [Music]

[2:41:20] >> So, you're thinking of reducing?

[2:41:23] No, I'm not reducing

[2:41:37] » Mr.

[2:41:41] Yes, that is a reduction from 2.850 to

[2:41:45] $2 million,000.

[2:41:50] That's my recommendation back to the

[2:41:51] general fund. Yep.

[2:41:53] >> The A116

[2:41:57] increase that to 300,000.

[2:42:02] The one I had um waiting on the PD

[2:42:04] presentation and I just asked the PD

[2:42:08] what their estimate is and they're

[2:42:09] looking at um 42 details. I asked for

[2:42:12] 50. I'm sorry. Which one was By the way,

[2:42:14] that

[2:42:15] >> A2610B?

[2:42:23] » I'm sorry. Can you say it again, please?

[2:42:25] >> Um, would it be would it be wise for you

[2:42:27] to use the email that I sent to you?

[2:42:29] >> I'm looking at it. I am looking. I just

[2:42:31] want to tell you that because the last

[2:42:32] one you just said cannabis.

[2:42:35] >> Well, I caught the number there. I'm

[2:42:37] just

[2:42:38] >> But it's supposed to be you said you

[2:42:40] said like like a different number than

[2:42:42] what it actually you said the 300k. But

[2:42:44] what you really want to do is increase

[2:42:45] it to 1 million.

[2:42:46] >> Yeah, but it's 7 700,000 currently.

[2:42:49] >> I just going to put them the 1 million

[2:42:52] >> down instead of 300,000

[2:42:55] >> cuz she's I'm trying to be effective

[2:42:56] here tonight because we're going to push

[2:42:58] back and forth like this.

[2:43:00] I'm not just trying to understand. I I

[2:43:03] think that you said 300,000, but you

[2:43:05] wrote 1 million and it's 1 million

[2:43:07] >> plus 300,000 would bring it to 1

[2:43:09] million.

[2:43:10] >> I got I got that. I know what you're

[2:43:11] trying to increase to a million

[2:43:14] parenthesis. Why am I 300 away from his

[2:43:17] sheet? Just use your book here and see

[2:43:19] what's there. How much he wants to

[2:43:20] increase?

[2:43:21] >> So a 116

[2:43:24] >> increasing increase to a million dollar

[2:43:27] and that's adding $300,000. Okay. A

[2:43:30] 2610B

[2:43:32] my notice was to wait on the PD

[2:43:34] recommendation. I'm sorry the

[2:43:36] presentation.

[2:43:37] >> Yeah.

[2:43:37] >> And they're looking next year to have 50

[2:43:39] details. They did 27

[2:43:44] for 42 details. I asked what would be

[2:43:47] 50. Currently they $219,000

[2:43:52] with time.

[2:43:53] >> So I'm looking to add revenue of 440,000

[2:43:56] there. On which on line 26 10 A or B?

[2:44:00] >> B.

[2:44:02] >> You're adding how much?

[2:44:03] >> 400 $440,000.

[2:44:06] >> You're adding that. Okay.

[2:44:07] >> Adding 440,000 to that line

[2:44:11] plus and then adding $50,000 to over

[2:44:15] time line.

[2:44:19] So I have to do a little bit of note

[2:44:21] here.

[2:44:22] >> Yeah. So correction here. Which which

[2:44:23] over time are you having online?

[2:44:25] >> In the very same in the very same um

[2:44:29] >> traffic.

[2:44:30] >> Is it this is traffic? So over time on

[2:44:32] the traffic.

[2:44:34] Would that be would that be correct?

[2:44:38] » So would it be easier if you like

[2:44:41] increased all your revenue and then

[2:44:42] where your increases come in the budget?

[2:44:44] But

[2:44:45] >> I have to do it at the same time.

[2:44:46] >> You have to. Okay.

[2:44:47] >> So in and out. Yeah. This one. This one

[2:44:49] here. This is the only one has in and

[2:44:50] out.

[2:44:51] >> Okay. because we we're potentially

[2:44:53] looking at generating more revenue, but

[2:44:54] it comes with the cost.

[2:44:56] >> So that you know what the line number is

[2:44:58] on the overtime?

[2:45:02] » So I'm just going to have to look for

[2:45:03] it. Police department.

[2:45:05] >> We can wait to find it before we move

[2:45:07] on.

[2:45:09] >> Um let's see. So that was

[2:45:13] um 2610m

[2:45:15] the parking fun. So I got to go there.

[2:45:21] adding 440,000 here

[2:45:24] >> to 2610B.

[2:45:26] >> Mhm.

[2:45:27] >> And then timeline.

[2:45:29] >> I'll get it later from the line.

[2:45:31] >> Okay.

[2:45:32] >> On the traffic.

[2:45:33] >> We don't have it yet.

[2:45:36] >> I got the 44,000.

[2:45:48] So

[2:45:52] the floor fire

[2:45:57] is that 400 what?

[2:45:58] >> 440,000

[2:46:03] got the police department starts in

[2:46:06] 3120. Um

[2:46:07] >> thank you guys.

[2:46:14] Are you are you saying parking 83320?

[2:46:18] >> That would be under parking or that

[2:46:20] would be under u

[2:46:25] parking fine. I'm assuming it's under

[2:46:26] araid

[2:46:30] on the matter. Uh would that be under um

[2:46:34] field service or would that be under um

[2:46:38] >> he said he would be under parking

[2:46:40] >> parking?

[2:46:43] » Fine. So I would assume he's parking.

[2:46:46] >> Yes.

[2:46:49] >> Looking for the expense line.

[2:46:51] >> I'm looking at the expense line.

[2:46:52] >> A3320 parking.

[2:46:54] >> Your timeline is 112.

[2:46:57] >> What was the number? What was the number

[2:46:59] again? Please

[2:46:59] >> got it. I got it.

[2:47:00] >> 833. It's on page 383320.

[2:47:04] » Yep.

[2:47:05] >> Um can we confirm?

[2:47:11] » So we can always we can always adjust

[2:47:13] the numbers.

[2:47:14] >> So we're adding instead of 125 we'd be

[2:47:17] proposing

[2:47:20] >> sorry 320

[2:47:22] >> 3320112

[2:47:24] is the overtime line.

[2:47:25] >> Right.

[2:47:26] >> I'm just looking for the figure.

[2:47:28] >> Yeah. But this might not be the right.

[2:47:29] This is like parking like people who

[2:47:31] move the meter and things like that.

[2:47:33] This detail is more like um patrol,

[2:47:36] >> right?

[2:47:37] >> This is patrol. That's why I feel sorry.

[2:47:41] >> He did say those fines of 900 because

[2:47:44] those fines of those 27 details

[2:47:47] collected are in the 910,000

[2:47:50] lines.

[2:47:52] So,

[2:47:54] >> so I think this this has to be an A31 22

[2:47:58] 1112

[2:48:00] >> A31

[2:48:02] >> 22 1112

[2:48:04] >> 312

[2:48:06] 112

[2:48:08] >> A

[2:48:10] 21 22

[2:48:11] >> 112 So that's page 33 everybody.

[2:48:14] >> Right. Okay. And right now I'm asking um

[2:48:17] for us to add 50,000 there.

[2:48:23] Yes,

[2:48:23] >> we're adding an expense

[2:48:24] >> and we're adding 440,000 until A 2016.

[2:48:34] » You want to go back to uh

[2:48:37] B.

[2:48:39] So this is um 440 plus

[2:48:42] >> Oh yeah, I got that. 910 plus 440

[2:48:44] >> 440

[2:48:46] the following. Thank you.

[2:48:49] So let's move to the next line 82668.

[2:48:55] I'm asking for us to maintain the same

[2:48:57] as 2025 4.5 million into 2026

[2:49:02] and that will be an increase of 1.5 mill

[2:49:05] >> and you just skipped over the liquid

[2:49:07] park. Oh, sorry. Sorry.

[2:49:10] >> The new 2610

[2:49:14] and

[2:49:14] >> yeah, sorry. Let me go back. Initially,

[2:49:17] I asked for um

[2:49:18] >> Initially I had asked for um

[2:49:22] for that to go up to 232,000,

[2:49:26] >> but I'm going to ask to increase that to

[2:49:28] 130,000.

[2:49:30] >> It's It's at 170.

[2:49:32] >> Yes. No, 170 plus 130.

[2:49:35] >> Okay. Thanks.

[2:49:36] >> The 300. Not the 500k plus not the 500k.

[2:49:40] So that mean I would like to bring it to

[2:49:45] 133

[2:49:48] >> 300,000 instead of one one um 170

[2:49:54] home sales maintain the same as 2025

[2:49:58] million into 2026 and that's an increase

[2:50:00] of 1.5.

[2:50:04] The next one is 83005

[2:50:07] mortgage tax.

[2:50:10] I'm ask I'm asking my proposal. This is

[2:50:13] my proposal to increase that to 410,000.

[2:50:19] » Increase it by 450,000 to 1.4 million.

[2:50:23] >> That is correct. It's proposed at 950

[2:50:27] 450 increase. So what what is it? It's

[2:50:31] at um It's at 9:50.

[2:50:34] >> That was 950.

[2:50:36] >> No, it's 9:50.

[2:50:38] >> So, is it 410 or 450?

[2:50:41] >> 450.

[2:50:44] >> It's just 950. Well, when you get all

[2:50:45] the way through the end, although

[2:50:47] there's a total.

[2:50:48] >> So, 450 plus 950

[2:50:53] » and that will bring us to 1.4.

[2:50:57] >> Okay.

[2:50:58] >> Now, the totals.

[2:51:00] >> Yes. is now now handsome. So based on today's um

[2:51:06] >> Oh, you got to add

[2:51:07] >> conversation. I'm going to add more to

[2:51:09] the sheet.

[2:51:10] >> Mhm.

[2:51:11] >> So a 2610 m

[2:51:15] a 2610

[2:51:17] >> M. That's bus patrol.

[2:51:20] >> Mhm.

[2:51:21] >> I am recommending that we add $200,000

[2:51:23] away because we have $600,000 of

[2:51:26] tickets. I'll just take $600,000. pick a

[2:51:30] target which is very conservative.

[2:51:32] >> So please tell me that amount again. I

[2:51:33] just said

[2:51:34] >> 200,000.

[2:51:35] >> So you want to add to the bed?

[2:51:37] >> Yes.

[2:51:37] >> So we're adding 200,000 to this line. We

[2:51:40] can go back to the revenue line.

[2:51:44] >> So what's that? How much you adding back

[2:51:45] to that?

[2:51:46] >> 200,000.

[2:51:47] >> 200 back to 600k.

[2:51:49] >> Yes.

[2:51:50] >> But right now it's 400.

[2:51:53] >> We got a plus

[2:51:55] >> 200. That will bring it that will bring

[2:51:57] it to 600K.

[2:51:59] >> Mhm.

[2:52:01] >> Oh, 2610. Okay.

[2:52:03] >> Yes. 2610.

[2:52:05] >> And as in

[2:52:07] the next one, um, on the snap

[2:52:12] 600.

[2:52:13] >> On the snap,

[2:52:15] we're asking to add 200,000 there.

[2:52:19] >> Give me your money, please.

[2:52:21] >> 1621.

[2:52:23] That is a 217.

[2:52:27] Oh, the CDBG CDBG 82170.

[2:52:32] This is what

[2:52:33] >> 2002.

[2:52:39] » Yeah, she wanted to keep.

[2:52:41] >> So, we'll do 200,000 there on that line.

[2:52:43] >> No, no, no.

[2:52:44] >> Alex,

[2:52:45] >> no. She wanted to keep 10,000 10,000 out

[2:52:48] of the out of the

[2:52:49] >> We didn't even touch your your sub.

[2:52:50] >> No, I know. I know. I No, no, no. I know

[2:52:52] what you're saying. But what what you're

[2:52:53] saying is that she wanted to

[2:52:54] >> I understand it's 200,000.

[2:53:00] » Right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[2:53:02] >> She said there was 2002,000 $55.

[2:53:05] >> Yeah, but we're going to just say 200

[2:53:09] finish 2,000 is going to go on.

[2:53:12] >> Okay.

[2:53:13] >> So that's um snap.

[2:53:16] >> Yep. codes.

[2:53:20] >> Thank you.

[2:53:23] >> 217

[2:53:25] C.

[2:53:25] >> Oh yes, she's 170,000

[2:53:30] there.

[2:53:31] >> Y

[2:53:31] >> So that would be 300 on the table.

[2:53:34] >> So that will uh currently it's 100,000.

[2:53:36] So we'll plus 100,000 there too. And

[2:53:39] that will be 300,000 there on that line.

[2:53:45] » Okay.

[2:53:45] >> Mhm.

[2:53:48] here. So, I just asked this question

[2:53:51] while we're doing this. Like in as far

[2:53:53] as explanation, there was funds that

[2:53:56] were sent from prior years. It's not

[2:53:58] like we're dealing with um recent stuff.

[2:54:00] She said it had to be spending. So, I

[2:54:02] don't want to get us in the position

[2:54:03] where like we're let's leave a couple

[2:54:05] thousand over there in years that can ex

[2:54:07] that can expire.

[2:54:08] >> She has to spend the oldest first, which

[2:54:11] >> that's exactly what I'm talking about.

[2:54:12] >> Right. So, expand.

[2:54:14] >> So, you want to put the the first one in

[2:54:15] on Snap. Do you want to put 202?

[2:54:18] >> I I think we should. We're going to

[2:54:20] fine.

[2:54:20] >> So, sorry. Let's make adjustment. 202.

[2:54:23] >> Mhm.

[2:54:24] >> Okay.

[2:54:25] >> 2178

[2:54:26] >> and code was 206.

[2:54:28] >> 206.

[2:54:29] >> Yes.

[2:54:29] >> Okay. Let's make that 206 then.

[2:54:31] >> Mhm.

[2:54:32] >> 306.

[2:54:34] >> Okay. So, that'll be 306

[2:54:38] and snap is 202 because there's no fun

[2:54:41] here.

[2:54:41] >> Right.

[2:54:42] >> Now, I wish I had completely then. Are

[2:54:45] we good?

[2:54:46] >> Yes.

[2:54:47] >> Um,

[2:54:51] capture.

[2:54:56] » Yes.

[2:54:57] >> Thank you.

[2:54:58] >> Am I missing anything? No, I have all my

[2:55:04] Did you Did you go over the allowable

[2:55:06] tax?

[2:55:07] >> Yes, I did. Okay, cool.

[2:55:09] >> Drop dropping by 850.

[2:55:11] >> But you add 800. bringing that down to 2

[2:55:14] million and cannabis increasing that up

[2:55:18] to a million.

[2:55:20] >> The we have seven for the record. We

[2:55:23] have seven. Oh,

[2:55:25] >> so I I have I have more information on

[2:55:27] that if you want to hear it now.

[2:55:30] >> Can So we do have seven that are active.

[2:55:34] There are 13 entirely

[2:55:37] >> approved but not

[2:55:38] >> approved but for whatever reason they're

[2:55:39] nonoperational. when they did it

[2:55:41] operational, we don't know.

[2:55:43] >> Um, and so in 2025,

[2:55:49] we had one that opened uh in April and

[2:55:52] another one that opened I'm not sure,

[2:55:54] but I think that those open in January

[2:55:57] and also January 9. So we had we had

[2:56:01] three open in 2025.

[2:56:03] We had two that opened in the last

[2:56:05] quarter of 2024.

[2:56:08] Um, so that's four and one, two, and

[2:56:12] then one in the third report of 2024.

[2:56:15] And then Mr. the one up on Union Street,

[2:56:18] he opened way back in 23 and it did so

[2:56:20] long.

[2:56:21] >> So in terms of capturing the um the

[2:56:27] revenue so we're capturing you, we have

[2:56:31] two quarters so far, right? So one of

[2:56:34] those was not the one that opened in

[2:56:37] April.

[2:56:38] We didn't have the first quarter. There

[2:56:42] was something that they

[2:56:46] get the percentage and broken down and

[2:56:49] the county sends us uh which goes to the

[2:56:52] county that goes to us.

[2:56:54] >> So we don't know which candy store.

[2:56:57] >> I don't

[2:56:58] >> Okay. Well, I on the post you find OCM

[2:57:02] site that they did those 411. So, they

[2:57:04] would not be included in 44, but the

[2:57:06] second they would and all the rest of

[2:57:08] them would be included. So, I guess my

[2:57:11] question is raising that up to 1

[2:57:14] million.

[2:57:16] It was 850,000. They took it back down

[2:57:18] to 7 million. So, you think it's

[2:57:21] reasonable that we can go all the way to

[2:57:22] I I just wanted I was going to go back

[2:57:23] to home 800 when they brought down.

[2:57:27] >> Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. Okay.

[2:57:29] >> Seven. It's seven stores.

[2:57:31] >> It's seven stores, but it's not like the

[2:57:33] big that was my seventh story. Most four

[2:57:37] of them are already open.

[2:57:38] >> Yes.

[2:57:39] >> So they that money is accounted for. We

[2:57:41] only open three injection.

[2:57:50] » Thank you. Got it.

[2:57:51] So there seven stories but we're

[2:57:53] capturing remnants of four of them for a couple years

[2:57:58] >> 800,000 right

[2:58:00] >> and then three open

[2:58:03] >> three more for 200,000

[2:58:06] >> but

[2:58:07] they already included some of the

[2:58:09] revenue I thought that's why I wanted

[2:58:11] the dates so we can kind of get an idea

[2:58:13] of like how much we could raise it so I

[2:58:16] didn't I don't agree with taking it down

[2:58:18] I do think it should go back up but Um,

[2:58:21] I guess I'm concerned if it goes another

[2:58:23] 300,000. We only had one shorter account

[2:58:26] for it.

[2:58:27] >> Went up.

[2:58:28] >> It didn't. They took it down.

[2:58:29] >> They took it down. The mayor

[2:58:33] get back.

[2:58:35] >> Mr. Moon wants to take it to a million.

[2:58:37] My question is it's a million too high.

[2:58:39] >> Too much. That's my question because we

[2:58:41] only have one store that wasn't

[2:58:43] incorporated in that one. Um, we're

[2:58:46] paying attention for the situation

[2:58:47] awareness. Two other stores locations

[2:58:51] were approved by the planning

[2:58:53] commission. One on upper upper upper

[2:58:58] >> Broadway and then there's one key bank

[2:59:01] by the wonder by the uh

[2:59:03] >> Oh, yeah.

[2:59:06] >> There seems to have been some activity

[2:59:07] working on that.

[2:59:08] >> Yes, it was.

[2:59:09] >> Yes, they're still working. That's

[2:59:10] right. 1610 Eastern Parkway is listed as

[2:59:13] nonoperational but one. What was the

[2:59:15] other one?

[2:59:15] >> The one up on Broadway. Maybe it maybe

[2:59:18] Wes Placeing

[2:59:23] House.

[2:59:25] >> It may be going instead of going

[2:59:27] Broadway, maybe going to

[2:59:30] >> do you know the name of it? Because

[2:59:33] so basically

[2:59:36] 17 Broadway.

[2:59:37] >> Okay.

[2:59:39] >> Well, but

[2:59:40] >> yeah, that's it. I I do want to say I

[2:59:43] mean I've noticed the decrease on Union

[2:59:45] Street of people in line. I hope the

[2:59:47] same amount of revenue will come in just

[2:59:50] spreading across. Yeah,

[2:59:51] >> it's spreading across. I don't think I

[2:59:52] don't think there's going to be a

[2:59:53] million dollars. Um especially with the

[2:59:56] amount of municipalities that now people

[2:59:58] go to Amsterdam, it's in Massachusetts,

[3:00:01] it's in Troy, it's all over. So people

[3:00:03] were coming here specifically and I

[3:00:04] think those first two years we were able

[3:00:06] to capitalize on but I can't see it

[3:00:08] going up that much. Let me ask

[3:00:10] Massachusetts had it all before before

[3:00:12] we even came with another story.

[3:00:15] Massachusetts had it.

[3:00:16] >> Oh, Massachusetts did.

[3:00:17] >> It didn't affect the sale.

[3:00:19] >> Can I can I ask a question of our

[3:00:21] commissioner? Why then did we when with

[3:00:26] the mayor's budget, why did it get

[3:00:27] lowered?

[3:00:29] >> Did we have more

[3:00:31] acts in the first and second quarter

[3:00:34] this year? And you know, we met by two

[3:00:39] Oh yeah, I got I see it.

[3:00:42] >> Gotcha.

[3:00:45] >> I just want to again caution that

[3:00:48] looking at you know increasing revenue

[3:00:51] from the parks.

[3:00:52] >> So we don't have these marks coming up

[3:00:54] on balance. I mean that's a really low

[3:00:56] occurren so we don't want to make the

[3:00:59] city right.

[3:01:00] >> No that's why I I think we should

[3:01:03] increase it back to where it was even in

[3:01:05] participation of the store is open. I

[3:01:08] I'm I'm cautious though.

[3:01:11] >> So can I just ask a question about

[3:01:13] process here? Are because so John gave

[3:01:16] what his

[3:01:18] recommendations are. Are we going to go

[3:01:20] to each do each one of his or are we

[3:01:22] going to give each one?

[3:01:25] >> Okay. Cuz we're talking about

[3:01:26] everybody's proposal and documenting it

[3:01:29] so that the

[3:01:30] >> finance team can have a path forward

[3:01:33] because we need to get on numbers and

[3:01:35] look at real numbers

[3:01:38] >> and not look at these papers. And

[3:01:40] >> so just to John, would you consider um

[3:01:44] not going to a million on that one

[3:01:46] particular?

[3:01:46] >> Let's put it there. Okay. Then this is what we're going to talk about

[3:01:50] >> on Friday. Okay. We'll talk about it on

[3:01:51] Friday.

[3:01:52] >> Yes.

[3:01:53] >> I'm sorry.

[3:01:55] >> Yeah. No, definitely. I just uh I just

[3:01:58] need two more to complete what I have.

[3:02:01] >> Okay.

[3:02:02] >> What I have as as note for me the new

[3:02:05] deployment we need to add 150,000 for

[3:02:08] that line. But that's budget.

[3:02:10] >> That's not that one being in general

[3:02:12] operating. So that's in the cloud.

[3:02:16] Let's let's find

[3:02:19] >> I just want to find the right to use

[3:02:23] >> and then I also like to add um 40,000

[3:02:26] back to the senior the senior program

[3:02:29] that's a 1989

[3:02:32] 499

[3:02:34] >> a 1941

[3:02:37] >> page 30.

[3:02:39] [Music]

[3:02:43] » Yes.

[3:02:43] >> Mhm.

[3:02:45] We we need to fund our our senior

[3:02:47] programs. I thought we kept one of the

[3:02:49] fun over 70 people that just 70 with

[3:02:54] bands not the pros at St. John's. I mean

[3:02:58] they were

[3:03:04] » okay. I I didn't even look at that line

[3:03:06] cuz I it wasn't coming out of the budget

[3:03:08] >> neutral. So, do we need to document that

[3:03:10] we we're the council is making

[3:03:12] recommendation for 150,000 um decline.

[3:03:16] >> Yes.

[3:03:16] >> I know it's we don't want to use a term

[3:03:19] that it's in the cloud. We need we need

[3:03:21] some documentation to show that this is

[3:03:24] council recommendation.

[3:03:25] >> Yeah.

[3:03:25] >> He's going to give us back a new I'm

[3:03:28] asking the commissioner

[3:03:31] should we would like to document it

[3:03:34] >> that this is this is going and right now

[3:03:36] it's zero in the

[3:03:37] >> must be on the park. So you could talk

[3:03:40] to probably documentation for the

[3:03:42] development fund. Um since it's not

[3:03:44] going to be listed

[3:03:48] um I'm sure she would work with the

[3:03:50] council get some language in place.

[3:03:55] » You okay with that? Yeah, because

[3:03:58] whatever lines that she whatever funding

[3:04:00] source she identified she'll just have

[3:04:02] to might have to be done by legislation

[3:04:05] or no because she said it's already calc

[3:04:07] it's already it's already yeah and it's

[3:04:08] budget neutral so she can do it she can

[3:04:10] do it

[3:04:10] >> yeah so yeah

[3:04:11] >> so we are not going to touch this

[3:04:13] document with that

[3:04:15] >> it's not going to be showing the revenue

[3:04:18] >> okay great we like know we do like this

[3:04:20] >> we love that

[3:04:21] >> okay great so I'm not even going to

[3:04:22] worry about where is it in this packet

[3:04:24] >> y Okay. So, what was next?

[3:04:28] >> Okay. That is my revenue.

[3:04:30] Um, you say you want to go next to the

[3:04:32] revenue. Please proceed. I'm going to

[3:04:34] come back and expand it, but I give

[3:04:36] everybody an opportunity to build a

[3:04:38] little bit.

[3:04:38] >> So, I guess with Derek's explanation,

[3:04:41] I'm not in favor of decreasing the

[3:04:43] allowance for uncollected taxes by any

[3:04:45] amount. There are that high importance.

[3:04:48] [Music]

[3:04:50] >> It is. Oh, I'm sorry. 102 A102

[3:04:54] can you I know you said it's about

[3:04:56] giving us a very simple example um of

[3:05:00] how that works by stand what it's in

[3:05:02] that for can can you just explain a

[3:05:05] little bit further cuz I I'm not in

[3:05:07] favor of um lowering that at all

[3:05:11] >> or how you account for it or is it just

[3:05:14] >> yeah how you account for it where does

[3:05:15] it end up what does it work and you know

[3:05:18] but I'm just I know why it has to be

[3:05:20] Yeah. So

[3:05:23] you look at the levity, it's basically

[3:05:25] receivable. It shows the total amount,

[3:05:27] right? Um we book it, it's usually

[3:05:31] booked at year end. Um

[3:05:33] for example, for 2026,

[3:05:37] um we'll book it in December for

[3:05:39] whatever tax lean.

[3:05:44] Um and then find out usually around

[3:05:47] March of how much uncollected uh tax was

[3:05:51] earned. Um so even though you see that

[3:05:54] full amount of tax doesn't mean we're

[3:05:56] actually paying that limit. uh we we

[3:05:59] find out exactly all uncollected taxes

[3:06:02] by March and that's why you see that

[3:06:04] negative amount of the adopted budget or

[3:06:07] proposed budget

[3:06:10] >> but my number factor biggest as we as we

[3:06:14] increase the the collection

[3:06:17] >> both of them can go at the same time

[3:06:20] >> one has to go up and one has to go down

[3:06:22] >> well not necessarily

[3:06:24] stop paying taxes

[3:06:26] >> we're budgeting we're budgeting in

[3:06:28] excess of $6 million

[3:06:30] >> in anticipation of collecting.

[3:06:33] >> And we need to drop our uncollected too

[3:06:35] in anticipation that we're going to

[3:06:37] we're not going to have so much tax.

[3:06:40] >> So that's how because we go up one has

[3:06:43] to come down. Can't have both on the

[3:06:45] same same

[3:06:48] but that's my consense. So I I'm I'm not

[3:06:52] in favor of decreasing um A10.

[3:06:57] >> A 2610 B as in boy.

[3:07:00] >> So now we have to come up with a new

[3:07:02] problem.

[3:07:08] I'll just call the number out.

[3:07:10] >> Parking fines. So um

[3:07:12] >> so I

[3:07:14] >> which one of the parking fines?

[3:07:15] >> A a uh 910,000. A 2610 B is in boy. Yes,

[3:07:19] I I I I'm in favor of raising it

[3:07:22] 150,000, not the 400,000

[3:07:25] >> only because at this point until we get

[3:07:27] clarification of how we're going to

[3:07:28] collect these uncollected whatever um

[3:07:33] just I'm just not comfortable with it. I

[3:07:35] know I know I I'm just being a little

[3:07:37] bit more cautious because of these

[3:07:39] revenues we increase and we already

[3:07:41] start off the the 2027 budget in a

[3:07:44] deficit if we don't make these revenue

[3:07:45] figures. again. I'm just saying um

[3:07:49] before you proceed to I just want to

[3:07:51] clarify that

[3:07:54] >> and I base my number based on the

[3:07:56] competition they had over the days.

[3:07:58] >> Yes.

[3:07:58] >> So the detail that they did for this

[3:08:01] year which was you know

[3:08:04] >> my overall was 27. They did an internal

[3:08:09] analysis by themselves and they looking

[3:08:11] at 42.

[3:08:14] So

[3:08:14] >> based on the 42 day trail that they

[3:08:16] planning for next year

[3:08:18] >> the revenue is a part of that and that's

[3:08:21] all I think number

[3:08:25] 50

[3:08:26] >> that's 218 220 220 that's 240 minus the

[3:08:31] 50,000 and that's the information I

[3:08:32] received from them I didn't add anything

[3:08:34] else on top of that is pure this is pure

[3:08:37] number based on their

[3:08:41] yes they formula

[3:08:44] And they didn't they didn't they didn't

[3:08:45] factor it out over time but they did

[3:08:48] mention that this this detail comes over

[3:08:51] time. So if we're drawing revenue we

[3:08:53] have to actually expendure

[3:08:56] >> and that's only 50,000 because it's 24

[3:08:59] to I wrote it out

[3:09:00] >> and I wrote it all down as well but I

[3:09:02] didn't get the same numbers you did from AC whipple.

[3:09:06] >> This this is this is 218 almost 28.

[3:09:11] >> I was

[3:09:12] over time factor over time.

[3:09:15] >> Just let me hear you on this. So, same

[3:09:16] thing 218 for 414 vehicles for plus

[3:09:22] >> net of that net gain of 130.

[3:09:25] >> And this information is from the chief,

[3:09:27] >> right?

[3:09:29] So net net gain of 130 here and then

[3:09:32] they're looking at um

[3:09:36] year to date

[3:09:38] um another 338 which makes 20

[3:09:42] uh just say 270,000.

[3:09:45] >> No, you have to take the full revenue,

[3:09:47] >> right?

[3:09:47] >> You can't factor out the cost. Yes, you

[3:09:50] bring in the full revenue and then

[3:09:51] >> later in the other part of the budget

[3:09:53] we'll put the

[3:09:54] >> revenue has to come in as 100% and then

[3:09:55] you buy. So you can't you can't do both

[3:09:57] in one. Okay.

[3:09:59] >> So, you're saying

[3:10:01] you're taking a 50 expenditure all the

[3:10:03] time. That's what I did here.

[3:10:05] >> But the reason with the 440 um and what

[3:10:08] they're saying that we're going to get

[3:10:09] was we have a net 130 this year and then

[3:10:12] if they double that, it' be a net 260.

[3:10:14] >> No, I think you're mixing it up. Uh no,

[3:10:16] that is

[3:10:18] >> 14 vehicles. 24 uh 20 27

[3:10:23] >> That is 220,000.

[3:10:24] times two double double

[3:10:27] >> but minus the I'm just saying the net

[3:10:29] gain he said was 130 so I'm just

[3:10:32] doubling that for

[3:10:34] >> next year which would be 260 so I'm not

[3:10:37] so

[3:10:38] >> can't be 218,000US

[3:10:40] 24,000 is not 130

[3:10:42] >> he he told us

[3:10:44] >> 130 is a separate line is a separate

[3:10:46] line

[3:10:46] >> 6 months for the 6 months

[3:10:50] >> detail

[3:10:51] period was 130

[3:10:54] 64

[3:10:56] >> and for the entire year from January to

[3:10:58] October 2017 till 218,000

[3:11:01] >> and he's saying and he's saying that

[3:11:02] we're going to double those details

[3:11:04] >> next year

[3:11:06] double that revenue and then he takes

[3:11:08] the expenditures out over

[3:11:10] >> I'm not worried about the expenditures

[3:11:11] I'm just worrying about the revenue

[3:11:15] >> 218 and 218 is is

[3:11:18] >> you really say 219

[3:11:19] >> that's 44

[3:11:21] what's already on the line is

[3:11:24] It's 900.

[3:11:25] >> No, this is not even in the budget. They

[3:11:26] didn't account for this.

[3:11:28] >> It's right here. It's 2610. I mean 26.

[3:11:31] >> We have to call. It was included in the

[3:11:34] chief said.

[3:11:37] » This is something

[3:11:39] said it was in the parking fines.

[3:11:41] >> That's what he said.

[3:11:43] >> I wrote it down. 2610B. I wrote down

[3:11:46] what he said. 2610B.

[3:11:48] >> Yes. And that's what I wrote here. But

[3:11:50] it is already

[3:11:54] another 440 minus the thing is

[3:11:56] >> yeah just say this was not accounted for

[3:12:01] >> well there seems the consensus of people

[3:12:02] who thought that he did say that so I

[3:12:04] guess

[3:12:05] >> my question was direct to him

[3:12:08] very clear that it is not

[3:12:10] >> so so so this is what we do in this in

[3:12:13] the scenario that it's not there Dorin

[3:12:14] you have one number in the scenario that

[3:12:16] it is there you have another we move on

[3:12:18] >> I Understand? Okay.

[3:12:20] >> Because you're increasing it next year

[3:12:22] as of that

[3:12:23] >> doubling it which would be 440 but

[3:12:26] there's already 910 on the line. Yes.

[3:12:28] Let me see. I think I have this number.

[3:12:30] Can we call or is that

[3:12:33] just the number?

[3:12:37] » So again I'm All right. So that's uh

[3:12:41] >> Oh, I thought you were saying so.

[3:12:44] >> So you want to increase it by 150. I

[3:12:46] want to make sure I get your number

[3:12:47] right. I got to I'm going to see what was that?

[3:12:49] >> You said 150 for 2610B. You want to add

[3:12:54] 15 comfortable with Mr. Mayor?

[3:12:58] I suppose make sure Sam has the detail

[3:13:00] and the detail together so that we're

[3:13:03] not missing anything. So let's get your

[3:13:04] number what you're proposing for the

[3:13:07] parking

[3:13:08] >> for the parking fine

[3:13:10] 150 from the 910

[3:13:14] >> 150 increase during

[3:13:16] >> over the 910 correct

[3:13:18] >> we doing anything with the expense line

[3:13:19] though for retirement

[3:13:20] >> we're not there yet but we will have to

[3:13:22] because it will increase the staffing

[3:13:24] cost

[3:13:26] [Music]

[3:13:27] >> so busy

[3:13:31] » oh and delinquent parking funds

[3:13:33] Oh, then that was just that one. Oh, the

[3:13:36] bus patrol 2610 is in Nancy. I'm

[3:13:38] comfortable with that increase.

[3:13:41] >> Um, sorry. I'm sorry. What increase

[3:13:45] out there?

[3:13:46] >> The bus patrol,

[3:13:47] >> right?

[3:13:48] >> So, increasing to 6. Okay. 600

[3:13:50] >> 2.3 million. Of course, we're budgeting

[3:13:52] that in.

[3:13:54] >> Um, I'm anticipating that.

[3:13:55] >> Which one are you on now, Dorine? I'm

[3:13:56] sorry. I'm trying to write as fast as

[3:13:58] >> Well, it's new.

[3:13:59] >> Okay.

[3:13:59] >> NW

[3:14:00] >> and you're good with 2.3.

[3:14:02] >> Well, yeah. I think that's all right. A

[3:14:05] 2660a

[3:14:07] Oh, I I missed I missed some

[3:14:09] >> 66.

[3:14:12] >> I missed car's um recommendation. I will

[3:14:14] not I I will not I will not go above 3

[3:14:17] million. She sat here tonight and said

[3:14:19] that that's what she was comfortable

[3:14:20] with. A3005

[3:14:26] >> Mortgage tax.

[3:14:29] >> Uh 30005.

[3:14:31] Um only 200,000.

[3:14:34] So what's How much is that? Um I only

[3:14:36] want it to be 200,000. Oh, increase to

[3:14:39] 200,000. So 950 plus 200,000

[3:14:42] >> is sort of around what Mr. Mur is

[3:14:45] saying,

[3:14:46] >> right?

[3:14:47] >> 950 plus I I don't know. I need a total

[3:14:51] >> 950. Sorry, it's very right now.

[3:14:53] >> No, this this whole thing is get

[3:14:56] the Toro.

[3:14:57] >> I know. I'm just trying to write it down

[3:14:58] myself, but All right. 950 and 200 is 1

[3:15:04] 050

[3:15:05] or something just

[3:15:09] >> I honestly think that um the casino

[3:15:11] A3089

[3:15:13] I I I really want to increase that

[3:15:15] revenue

[3:15:17] >> on what

[3:15:20] >> I'm thinking 500,000 but

[3:15:22] >> I don't know no go ahead put it down

[3:15:26] this is this is where we going to start

[3:15:27] to flow the number that's why I wanted

[3:15:29] to flush it

[3:15:30] and see where we're at we we're

[3:15:32] >> I mean we have a lot of things going on

[3:15:34] in the city um a new hotel coming up

[3:15:37] right there

[3:15:39] >> um the event center and granted you know

[3:15:41] people say they're not going to come to

[3:15:42] the event center go to the casino but as

[3:15:44] a casino go I agree with you

[3:15:47] >> there's more weddings going on there uh

[3:15:49] anyway if you don't mind can you give us

[3:15:52] the a number for that

[3:15:54] >> 3089

[3:15:56] and that's revenue

[3:15:57] >> H is in Henry H3 0

[3:16:01] >> A3089H

[3:16:05] » it's right here

[3:16:06] >> on this page 12

[3:16:09] question about this when I asked you

[3:16:11] about that you said that was something

[3:16:13] you couldn't touch because it was a

[3:16:14] formula

[3:16:16] so I think everybody needs to hear that

[3:16:19] >> before we try to make

[3:16:20] >> that's what we've been told that we

[3:16:21] can't touch there's a formula we don't

[3:16:23] know Eric that is a formula we don't

[3:16:26] have a concrete

[3:16:29] Yes, there's a formula on that

[3:16:31] >> and that was the question.

[3:16:32] >> Sometimes it goes up. It keep going up

[3:16:35] every year.

[3:16:36] >> But

[3:16:38] yeah, so what is what is the basis for

[3:16:39] changing? How is it increasing? Because

[3:16:41] I I asked you that question. We can

[3:16:42] increase

[3:16:43] >> more more um

[3:16:44] >> visitors

[3:16:45] >> more visitors to the casino right now

[3:16:47] the our revenue

[3:16:48] >> more events, more hotels.

[3:16:50] >> So that means our revenue is based on

[3:16:53] what they take in. So what is the

[3:16:54] formula? That means there's a formula.

[3:16:56] So what is it?

[3:16:57] >> Cuz that means we're anticipating more

[3:16:59] people coming

[3:17:00] >> and therefore there's a formula like

[3:17:02] instead of having I don't know how many

[3:17:04] people go there 50,000 last year we're

[3:17:06] going to have 75 something that you can

[3:17:08] follow up with us.

[3:17:09] >> Yeah. I can see

[3:17:13] it's broken up by municipalities.

[3:17:16] >> Um

[3:17:19] I believe we did

[3:17:21] >> and the concessions was that received

[3:17:24] the full amount. Yes.

[3:17:26] >> And so I'm not disputing your amount. I

[3:17:28] just want to make sure that

[3:17:29] >> we're basing it on something complete

[3:17:31] where we can get there.

[3:17:33] >> Is this a time that we can ask a

[3:17:35] question of our commissioner? So my

[3:17:36] question is listening to everything that

[3:17:39] I just heard from my three colleagues.

[3:17:43] >> Why then I I'm going to say so where did

[3:17:47] we get the 4.1 proposed fee in the

[3:17:50] mayor's proposed budget? That was also

[3:17:52] based uh via conversations with the

[3:17:55] county.

[3:17:56] >> Okay.

[3:17:56] >> So there are numbers in line 4.1 for the

[3:17:59] city as well.

[3:18:00] >> Okay.

[3:18:03] » Yeah. No, I got all that conversation

[3:18:04] with that.

[3:18:05] >> So no offense to the conversations. Can

[3:18:08] we see something in black and white?

[3:18:09] >> Okay. Good.

[3:18:11] >> Just no character number all the numbers

[3:18:13] there as the proposal.

[3:18:14] >> Okay. And then we'll follow up and see

[3:18:16] where where is this formula or where is

[3:18:19] this narrative that's saying that this

[3:18:20] is our money.

[3:18:22] >> I'm going to be very cautious of the um

[3:18:25] CDBG money on A2178

[3:18:29] and a back

[3:18:32] hold. I got to go back to you only

[3:18:35] because I would like to hear from

[3:18:37] Commissioner Farm and Mr. deficiency as

[3:18:41] see they have anything in effect on

[3:18:43] going against

[3:18:46] I don't know

[3:18:47] >> well I'm thinking if they have the back

[3:18:48] in 2020

[3:18:51] >> absolutely not so if I may that director

[3:18:55] was very clear that this money is not

[3:18:57] being brought up this money is available

[3:18:58] there it needs to be spent by mid next

[3:19:01] year or next year sometime and if it

[3:19:03] doesn't we are

[3:19:06] >> I have no issues with that the whole

[3:19:08] idea was to put all these invoices and

[3:19:10] then we have nothing for this.

[3:19:12] >> Again, I think that our commissioner

[3:19:13] would be able to kind of tell us that if

[3:19:16] there's unpaid invoices against that

[3:19:18] line from

[3:19:19] >> putting it in just like

[3:19:22] >> I think in my opinion we got the

[3:19:24] information from Miss However, if

[3:19:26] there's invoices Mr.

[3:19:32] » They would be in the system by

[3:19:35] >> we have that report of that open PO

[3:19:37] report. Yeah, we had that report that

[3:19:39] you gave us the actual stock as process

[3:19:45] documents and you get the documents from

[3:19:48] >> you gave us a list of open fields and I

[3:19:50] didn't see any significant amount there

[3:19:52] from um

[3:19:53] >> what I'm sensing from miss uh miss ka um

[3:19:58] you know presentation

[3:19:59] >> is that this 20% aside for salary and

[3:20:02] they were supposed to document every you

[3:20:04] know every aspect of the work I am

[3:20:07] thinking that um it's too much

[3:20:10] of a work for the department so they

[3:20:12] decide to draw them directly from the

[3:20:14] salary line instead of um yes

[3:20:19] I would take a recommendation

[3:20:23] >> I I haven't

[3:20:28] question

[3:20:29] >> an explanation of why they haven't used

[3:20:31] the money is that what you're saying

[3:20:32] >> well

[3:20:34] if they have anything they're going to

[3:20:35] put forward

[3:20:36] >> and the open the P.

[3:20:38] >> But can it put this money back so they

[3:20:40] wouldn't get this? Can they really be

[3:20:42] back that far with that?

[3:20:43] >> Well, they can if they put invoices in.

[3:20:45] I I don't know.

[3:20:47] >> Money for the you know, it's still

[3:20:49] available money before it has to be it's

[3:20:54] or the spend it against those bas.

[3:21:02] » This employee already got paid.

[3:21:04] >> Exactly. But this money that was left

[3:21:06] because we didn't do our our show.

[3:21:11] >> She said she said you talked me into

[3:21:15] >> she said she's comfortable but ask the

[3:21:16] question.

[3:21:19] >> I'm sorry but I I danced at another

[3:21:21] place. How much were you talking about

[3:21:23] increasing that casino license fee?

[3:21:26] >> 500.

[3:21:27] >> I'll write it down.

[3:21:30] >> No, please. This is this kind of going

[3:21:33] back and forth. This is where we we we

[3:21:35] need to make

[3:21:36] >> you tell me again what the casino line

[3:21:37] has been.

[3:21:40] >> And I just realized I I'm going to do

[3:21:41] the same thing

[3:21:44] is on page.

[3:21:52] » Well, hold on. She's trying to follow

[3:21:54] along. So, she's asking the page number

[3:21:55] so she can get so she can understand

[3:21:57] what Mr. Toro is saying. So, that's what

[3:21:59] I'm trying to do is give her the page

[3:22:00] number. And I gave her the wrong one.

[3:22:01] So, if you give her the page number,

[3:22:04] Mr. To call the the A number

[3:22:06] >> and then we just jump to the page.

[3:22:08] >> Yeah. I'm sorry too fast, but

[3:22:10] >> if we're going to have a side

[3:22:11] conversation while Mr. Toro is talking,

[3:22:13] we're not going to get a new year.

[3:22:15] >> Okay.

[3:22:15] >> And and and a 1989 for seniors, I

[3:22:19] definitely think of finding $40,000

[3:22:21] somewhere to put it back in the

[3:22:24] >> 1989. Again, like I said, I don't even

[3:22:26] see that invaluable. Um

[3:22:28] >> 49,

[3:22:29] >> you know,

[3:22:30] >> 499

[3:22:30] >> the um Hibernians, you know, uh I'm sure

[3:22:33] we've been there field.

[3:22:37] >> Um so, uh you know, the these people go

[3:22:40] it's it's they they get a good meal.

[3:22:42] They don't have to worry about dinner

[3:22:44] for like four three four $5. Uh the rest

[3:22:47] is funded through us and through capital

[3:22:50] who runs the program outside of the

[3:22:52] hyper as well. So I think it's sincerely

[3:22:54] important to have something for our

[3:22:55] seniors. At least it's a little. It

[3:22:57] can't be like huge, but what we'd like

[3:23:00] to offer them.

[3:23:02] >> Yeah.

[3:23:02] >> Did you um will say anything for 2178

[3:23:04] and 217?

[3:23:06] >> Yeah. 202 and 206 since I guess if

[3:23:09] they've already spent baking money out

[3:23:10] of

[3:23:12] >> the general fund and spent it. But I

[3:23:14] just don't understand.

[3:23:16] >> And not utilizing the CDJ. They utilize

[3:23:18] another other source of funding. That

[3:23:20] bothers me. But

[3:23:20] >> yeah, yes, she does. And that's why I

[3:23:22] feel like

[3:23:24] >> is it more like this outside here that

[3:23:26] we need to know?

[3:23:26] >> Well, she did say I can't keep

[3:23:29] >> did all the paperwork

[3:23:31] >> and she's not there and no one's doing

[3:23:33] the paperwork and it's all got to be

[3:23:35] documented way up there responding.

[3:23:37] >> It's the person who retired. So

[3:23:39] wonderful.

[3:23:40] >> So I'm done. Who's next?

[3:23:42] >> Like um Miss Patrick, would you like to

[3:23:44] go?

[3:23:45] >> No, I'm not. I'm just listening and I'm

[3:23:49] going to wait till I get my document on

[3:23:50] Friday back from Mr.

[3:23:53] >> So are we not you're not making no

[3:23:54] recommendation.

[3:23:55] >> Do you have anything?

[3:23:56] >> I'd have to go line by line. So please

[3:24:01] >> the uh so the allowance for collecting

[3:24:02] taxes you want to keep it the same.

[3:24:06] >> Cannabis excess tax. What was that? I

[3:24:08] missed that one.

[3:24:10] >> I mean the same. No,

[3:24:14] the wrong

[3:24:17] >> I can find it now.

[3:24:22] » You didn't have anything.

[3:24:23] >> Cannabis. She didn't say. Dorine didn't

[3:24:24] say

[3:24:25] >> it was 700,000. I was Oh, I didn't I

[3:24:28] didn't touch on cannabis.

[3:24:29] >> No, you didn't. Mr. Mur said, "Let's put

[3:24:31] it at 1 million."

[3:24:32] >> Right. Um

[3:24:35] John,

[3:24:36] >> you're right. Let me see. I I definitely

[3:24:38] since uh year to date we're almost

[3:24:40] there. So I So I guess I'd like to add

[3:24:43] $100,000 at the end of this. I don't

[3:24:45] think anymore.

[3:24:46] >> So DD800,000

[3:24:48] >> A116.

[3:24:50] >> No, I'm just putting DD for you. 800K.

[3:24:52] >> Yeah. I'm sorry. Thank you, Sam. A116.

[3:24:59] I'm sorry. I'm very conservative.

[3:25:04] I don't know how we're going to make a

[3:25:06] word for it.

[3:25:12] » Are you Mr.

[3:25:14] >> Yes. Yes.

[3:25:15] >> Okay. Miss Patrick,

[3:25:17] >> I I need to be last because I don't I

[3:25:20] want to hear what everybody else is

[3:25:21] saying. So, Miss Borterfield would be

[3:25:23] next, right?

[3:25:24] >> We go around the table.

[3:25:25] >> Going in order.

[3:25:26] >> Are you ready?

[3:25:27] >> I call on you to to make any

[3:25:28] recommendation that you have.

[3:25:29] >> I'm not ready to do that.

[3:25:30] >> She's not ready. M is ready.

[3:25:33] Yes, I am.

[3:25:40] » I'm not

[3:25:42] submit.

[3:25:45] >> Thank you.

[3:25:50] » You have it actually.

[3:25:51] >> I know you got it. I got it. I got it.

[3:25:55] >> Looks like Well, I can give you mine if

[3:25:57] you want.

[3:26:00] >> Okay. Okay. Focus.

[3:26:03] >> So, she's starting again.

[3:26:10] » Okay. There we go. I got it.

[3:26:12] >> 1116.

[3:26:13] So, I wanted to line 1116. I should have

[3:26:16] the lines in my email. Um, the cannabis

[3:26:19] line, I wanted to increase that by

[3:26:22] 100,000

[3:26:23] based on that the opening of new sites

[3:26:25] in 2025. However, now that Mr. Um,

[3:26:31] Mr. O'Brien had said that we have two

[3:26:34] more that were approved.

[3:26:36] >> Yeah.

[3:26:36] >> Um, I'm willing to go up to another

[3:26:38] 50,000 on that. So, so to increase that

[3:26:40] by 150,000 line 11.

[3:26:45] >> Yep.

[3:26:47] >> Cuz now we have two new stores open. All

[3:26:49] right. Um, this I apologize when Miss

[3:26:53] Carver was here that I didn't I should

[3:26:55] have had me. Um she explained to me and

[3:26:58] Mr. Blueberry, could you tell us what

[3:27:00] the demolition line is for for um it's a

[3:27:04] contingency

[3:27:06] >> right? Um

[3:27:09] don't know the option but it's under

[3:27:11] contingency.

[3:27:12] >> All right.

[3:27:13] >> So the 400,000

[3:27:15] is under that.

[3:27:16] >> I'm looking.

[3:27:18] >> Yes. It just see 400,000.

[3:27:21] >> Right.

[3:27:22] So what Miss Par said and you can

[3:27:25] definitely double back there on this but

[3:27:27] we were having a conversation and she

[3:27:29] said there is CBG money that is allowed

[3:27:33] for for um intended excuse me for

[3:27:36] demolition

[3:27:37] >> demolition I think she talked about that

[3:27:39] >> right so would you be offsetting

[3:27:43] that number by what's available in the

[3:27:45] city did you and I

[3:27:47] didn't ask you that question we did you

[3:27:50] know what that number is and how

[3:27:53] different

[3:27:54] >> use the CPP money that is

[3:27:57] >> Can we have that as a question please?

[3:27:59] >> Yes. I I just want to clarify too in

[3:28:01] past years um history wise um it's not

[3:28:06] only demolition

[3:28:08] that come up the city is un unforeseen

[3:28:11] unaware of and

[3:28:13] >> so that's why

[3:28:17] so far the last couple years haven't

[3:28:23] come depending on

[3:28:26] what happened

[3:28:28] >> so what I we should look at is how much

[3:28:30] we've used the demolition how much it's

[3:28:32] available and reduce the line by that

[3:28:35] because when I know we were discussing

[3:28:37] that line it was very clear demolition

[3:28:39] part

[3:28:42] otherwise we should get it and I I guess

[3:28:45] I can text her but she might not want to

[3:28:46] hear from us

[3:28:47] >> no we'll follow up with a question

[3:28:50] can you please make it exciting

[3:28:53] >> it would be it would be good if we knew

[3:28:54] the number we do it's like

[3:28:58] Mr. Williams put it on to reduce

[3:29:00] >> 1989 485

[3:29:03] page 30

[3:29:05] >> page 30

[3:29:07] >> right and here right now we did talk

[3:29:10] about this is 28251

[3:29:13] so

[3:29:15] we have to spend

[3:29:19] » we might 1989485

[3:29:25] » so what do you want that to be

[3:29:27] >> so I I want to Oh, Marian, I'm sorry.

[3:29:29] Yes.

[3:29:30] >> I wanted to know how much

[3:29:32] we have spent. Well, I know how much we

[3:29:34] spent. What I want to know is how much

[3:29:36] was essentially for demolitions use out

[3:29:38] of this. How much is available through

[3:29:40] CDBG?

[3:29:41] >> I'm sorry.

[3:29:42] >> No, sorry. Go finish.

[3:29:43] >> And how much is available through CDBG?

[3:29:45] And we could do reduce that line. Maybe

[3:29:47] not exactly the amount, but some level

[3:29:50] of that because if there's money that we

[3:29:51] could spend through CDBG,

[3:29:53] which and and take it out of there, we

[3:29:55] want to have it here. So

[3:29:58] >> yeah, before before you proceed, I

[3:30:00] tutorial has a

[3:30:02] >> I did I did have that,000

[3:30:05] >> increase it or decrease that same line.

[3:30:08] >> Yes.

[3:30:08] >> Oh yeah. Okay. I have 385

[3:30:11] 1989 485

[3:30:15] » 300,000.

[3:30:16] >> It's on page um 30.

[3:30:18] >> Sorry. So that is recommendation. Okay.

[3:30:21] Thank you. So I may depending on what MA

[3:30:25] has to say my blood might be decrease

[3:30:30] by

[3:30:31] >> 100,000 to 300,000 right Dorian.

[3:30:34] >> Yes. So be back 100,000

[3:30:38] >> lower by 100,000. So your so for me I

[3:30:42] would have to see how much

[3:30:45] available for us to be able to do that

[3:30:47] and maybe get those email.

[3:30:50] >> So there's a question I'm going to be

[3:30:53] email

[3:30:55] >> right I need to go over what other

[3:30:57] people said. Um but I did want to um

[3:31:01] >> well I write here but I wanted to add

[3:31:03] back oh no that's we're not doing this

[3:31:04] we're not doing that yet. I want to use

[3:31:07] the maximum fun B fund balance allow to

[3:31:10] minimize tax increases including I

[3:31:13] understand the contracts that may be

[3:31:14] outstanding. So I'd like to know what

[3:31:16] that number would be.

[3:31:18] >> That's exact

[3:31:25] million minus 2 million bucks. So it's

[3:31:27] 4.1

[3:31:28] >> right

[3:31:28] >> and all that.

[3:31:31] >> I didn't say all of it. I said the max.

[3:31:33] So you say so

[3:31:35] >> the council one used all of that they

[3:31:36] could have

[3:31:37] >> I didn't ask that I asked what it says is the maximum when I say

[3:31:43] maximum fund available okay expand on

[3:31:46] that that doesn't um that we have to

[3:31:50] have like you said 15% so get us to the

[3:31:53] 15 what's that number

[3:31:56] >> well 15% of the general bridge by your

[3:32:00] number

[3:32:00] >> so I I would like the number and and

[3:32:04] then you could um subtract out you said

[3:32:08] uh for the 300,000 for one contract

[3:32:11] >> and 600 for one and two

[3:32:13] >> but we should that isn't that an

[3:32:15] executive session kind of thing because

[3:32:18] they're still negotiating those

[3:32:19] contracts. Yeah, but we're just going

[3:32:25] » so I think it's

[3:32:27] >> 15% of the operating 126 would be 18

[3:32:30] million

[3:32:34] » all on we need 18 million sign

[3:32:36] >> that's just 15% of it

[3:32:39] >> and all on

[3:32:41] >> we have to have 15 million. So when's

[3:32:44] the last time we had that?

[3:32:46] We had 12 million last year until we

[3:32:49] stated.

[3:32:50] >> So when's the last time we made 18? I

[3:32:52] mean in one year I'll just in in 2011

[3:32:55] the mayor said he had to be 77 75,000

[3:32:58] and he was okay with it. So let's ask

[3:33:00] him if he's okay with it again next

[3:33:02] year.

[3:33:03] That so it has to all be on the sign not

[3:33:09] 50% general. Mhm. I think I gave you a

[3:33:13] packet from

[3:33:16] >> uh uh OSC

[3:33:20] >> um said there's example of 15%

[3:33:23] >> right and there's also an example there

[3:33:26] that says that um two months of

[3:33:28] expenditure is also what you can base it

[3:33:31] on since we don't have our own dollar so

[3:33:33] there's more than one um

[3:33:35] >> I think the lowest 5%

[3:33:41] » and as old as high as over 15% starting

[3:33:44] to fluctuate.

[3:33:46] >> Well, I think we're going to have to use

[3:33:47] more of our fund down. So, I'd like to

[3:33:49] see us be able to use what we can to to

[3:33:52] get this through place. We're not first

[3:33:53] of all seeing our tax and also as

[3:34:00] that's and I think everything else that

[3:34:02] I had um Oh, I did the cannabis right

[3:34:07] with Mr.

[3:34:08] >> Yes, you did. You said that increase the

[3:34:10] cannabis line by 100,000

[3:34:13] something

[3:34:14] >> 15.

[3:34:14] >> Yeah.

[3:34:15] >> Oh 150.

[3:34:16] >> That's that's recommendation.

[3:34:19] >> Um after Mr. O'Brien

[3:34:20] >> Oh, you changed. Okay. 15.

[3:34:27] And um so that

[3:34:30] >> uh

[3:34:34] um

[3:34:36] so I think that's it for my for the um

[3:34:39] >> revenue

[3:34:41] >> the revenue side

[3:34:42] >> side

[3:34:45] you have any

[3:34:47] expenditure you want to touch on

[3:34:55] do you have a number

[3:34:57] over the 29 that you're looking to

[3:34:59] utilize?

[3:35:01] >> No, I don't have the number. I want to

[3:35:04] know I want something to you what is the

[3:35:06] number that we um

[3:35:10] we can use as you say have 18 million um

[3:35:16] that's

[3:35:25] » 15 would be above

[3:35:29] but we don't have so that's what I'm

[3:35:31] saying we don't have policy right we

[3:35:32] don't have a written fun because it's

[3:35:35] just one.

[3:35:36] >> Okay.

[3:35:36] >> All right. So, we're kind of like I

[3:35:39] wasn't saying yes into

[3:35:42] um

[3:35:45] I would like us not be able to increase

[3:35:47] tax 17%. So, I'm I don't I know that

[3:35:54] I don't know.

[3:35:59] » What did you say? What did you say?

[3:36:01] >> Someone question. That's right.

[3:36:04] >> So, and and some of this for me is going

[3:36:06] to be based on how much we can recapture

[3:36:09] here with all the different um revenue

[3:36:12] changes that we're going to be doing.

[3:36:13] Then how much we will need out of the

[3:36:16] funding. So, I would like to use the

[3:36:17] maximum

[3:36:19] we have to put these two things

[3:36:20] together. Are you following me so far?

[3:36:23] >> So, we have to put these two things

[3:36:24] together. How much we can increase our

[3:36:26] revenue, which has been some pretty

[3:36:28] significant I think. Um, and then use

[3:36:32] our fund balance to make up for that.

[3:36:35] So, not enough. That is my goal. Let's

[3:36:38] just let everybody know that is my goal.

[3:36:40] Not to exceed the tax cap and to also

[3:36:42] not have a 17% tax increase. I don't

[3:36:45] want to say a percentage right now. I'd

[3:36:46] like it to be zero. Don't think don't.

[3:36:50] So, I'd like to know if you look at what

[3:36:52] number would be comfortable with

[3:36:57] » 2 million.

[3:36:59] >> What? What's already the 2 million

[3:37:01] that's already in this budget is what

[3:37:03] you're comfortable with. That's what

[3:37:08] 2 million is all we should spend.

[3:37:10] >> Correct.

[3:37:12] >> Okay.

[3:37:16] » We don't have a lot left.

[3:37:24] » So right now

[3:37:26] two

[3:37:27] >> No. No. There's 60.1 we're utilizing

[3:37:32] there be 4.1 available depending on

[3:37:35] contracts that might be drastically

[3:37:37] changed

[3:37:38] >> but let's say okay number

[3:37:43] >> it's

[3:37:45] no

[3:37:46] >> plus three plus the one

[3:37:49] >> that's already in there

[3:37:53] so uh can you put that in the notes also

[3:37:56] Mhm.

[3:37:57] >> Yes.

[3:37:58] >> Um plus $1 million million

[3:38:02] recommendation

[3:38:03] >> which brings us sort of I know we can't

[3:38:06] calculate it because of the contract 2

[3:38:08] million that would leave us

[3:38:09] >> 3.1

[3:38:10] >> 3.1us

[3:38:12] contracts.

[3:38:14] >> So say two

[3:38:15] >> oh right

[3:38:16] >> maybe less

[3:38:20] » do you have any more

[3:38:23] I'll move to um let's see

[3:38:25] >> Mr. party and then uh

[3:38:27] >> so just to just finish up on this

[3:38:30] conversation we are g we always email

[3:38:32] that building

[3:38:35] so

[3:38:37] just to finish up on the conversation in

[3:38:39] terms of the fun hanging out there is my

[3:38:42] intent is that we would do that but we

[3:38:44] would be looking at getting our pilots

[3:38:47] so that we can start

[3:38:50] getting to um and we have two one

[3:38:53] expiring next year two expiring the

[3:38:55] following year so that we could start um

[3:38:58] building up on

[3:39:03] » Thank you. So So yeah, thank you on this

[3:39:05] letter that he did send to us. I think

[3:39:06] it's appropriate that that I read it. Um

[3:39:09] and I do want to make a note that the

[3:39:11] one expiring next year for uh State

[3:39:15] Street, what's the address there?

[3:39:18] >> Don't know. Uh let's mention that.

[3:39:21] >> Well, the one expiring next year, I'll

[3:39:23] just give you the date. Yes.

[3:39:27] » Um well the next the winning 228 26 um

[3:39:35] that came off with time already

[3:39:38] going off the block. It came on it

[3:39:40] already came off this year.

[3:39:43] Then why would it like it's going to

[3:39:46] come off?

[3:39:47] >> I know it it's already come off.

[3:39:49] >> Well wait and how would you know that?

[3:39:50] Um I suppose uh after received this

[3:39:53] email and all these um pilot um things

[3:39:56] from uh Mr. Gillan this morning, which

[3:39:58] was the first time that I've got to see

[3:40:00] them, um I did reach out to um our

[3:40:03] assessor and um uh

[3:40:08] receiver receiver foxes to go over um

[3:40:13] the files exactly how they how they

[3:40:15] work. Each one is is so different. Each

[3:40:18] one is individual. Um some years, uh you

[3:40:22] know, sometimes they start out with no

[3:40:23] taxes and then after three years they

[3:40:26] start paying taxes and they up the most

[3:40:28] of them have to increase 5% until they

[3:40:32] um until they're at full rate. So let me

[3:40:35] start because I see what this is going.

[3:40:38] I started talking about why

[3:40:41] I started talking about a there was an

[3:40:43] email sent which we all received and I

[3:40:47] followed up. I made it clear when we

[3:40:49] started this budget prospect that I'm

[3:40:51] not trying to get piloted to to um it's

[3:40:54] not for this year's budget but moving

[3:40:56] forward. So there's an implication that

[3:41:00] there's information that you're not

[3:41:01] receiving. I made it clear that I've

[3:41:03] been talking about pilot. I've been

[3:41:04] talking to I've been talking to to um to

[3:41:08] the assessor's office about it. And so

[3:41:11] until I'm ready to proceed where your

[3:41:13] plan is at plans, I don't feel like I

[3:41:16] need to like put give it out there. You

[3:41:18] have it now. That's fine because only

[3:41:21] because people asked for. So this is

[3:41:22] something that I've been working on

[3:41:24] until we came to a final thing and

[3:41:25] waiting for the other information from

[3:41:28] Miss Maloy, we would have gotten it.

[3:41:32] We're here now because it was asked that

[3:41:34] Minister um Gillan come. He couldn't

[3:41:36] come and this this information came

[3:41:37] forward. So just to be clear about all

[3:41:40] of that in terms of me not having it

[3:41:44] somebody not having it again. How many

[3:41:46] times have I sat at this table and said

[3:41:47] I'm looking at pilots and I'm asking for

[3:41:49] information about pilots. So this

[3:41:52] doesn't impact this current budget. It

[3:41:54] impacts going forward in my mind and

[3:41:56] that's what I was working on and looking

[3:41:57] towards. So I just want to make that

[3:41:59] abundantly clear.

[3:42:00] >> All right. thinking that absolutely

[3:42:02] clear. Um but after last night's

[3:42:04] conversation um I thought that maybe

[3:42:06] there was one pilot that might that's

[3:42:08] clear but it's already about stuff. Mr.

[3:42:12] Gillum wrote and and I think we owe him

[3:42:14] an explanation. Uh good morning. I have

[3:42:16] a metroplex board meeting this evening

[3:42:18] at 5:30 p.m. So I stand on the pen

[3:42:20] council meeting this evening. We sent

[3:42:22] the council a report on highlights on

[3:42:24] August 4th. We sent an updated report on

[3:42:27] 9:24 to council president Porterfield

[3:42:30] and offered at that time to discuss any

[3:42:31] agreements. I have had no responses from

[3:42:34] any council member to either pilot

[3:42:37] report. Please note that the pilot

[3:42:39] report shows that 25 pilots put

[3:42:41] properties back on the tax roles that

[3:42:44] previously were taxexempt and paid zero

[3:42:46] in taxes. Please note that an additional

[3:42:49] 27 pilots allowed vacant buildings or

[3:42:52] sites that paid nominal taxes to

[3:42:54] generate new revenue. One council member

[3:42:57] at your meeting mistakenly said that the

[3:42:59] county attorney is involved in these

[3:43:01] agreements. That is not the case. There

[3:43:03] is a formal process that governs the

[3:43:06] adoption of any pilot, including a

[3:43:08] public hearing, public notice, and

[3:43:10] approval at our meetings which are

[3:43:12] televised and are all open to the

[3:43:13] public. I would be happy to attend any

[3:43:16] future meetings and review any questions

[3:43:18] you have. These agreements have been

[3:43:20] powerful new revenue generators for the

[3:43:23] city and we are very proud of our role

[3:43:26] in dramatically improving the city and

[3:43:28] its tax base. Many other metrop projects

[3:43:31] like the casino do not involve pilots

[3:43:34] yet generate millions in revenue for the

[3:43:37] city. When I sent the information back

[3:43:39] in August, I was hoping that I might

[3:43:41] receive some feedback, but have received

[3:43:43] none to date. I am always willing to

[3:43:46] available to discuss any questions. red.

[3:43:49] Um, and in in response to that and

[3:43:52] speaking with our assessor today, um, I

[3:43:55] did find out that a lot of these pilots

[3:43:57] on here, especially certain kind of uh,

[3:44:01] pilots given since I can't mention them,

[3:44:05] um, are looking for money and the money

[3:44:08] uh, the city can't help these individual

[3:44:12] businesses

[3:44:14] um because of a rule called 85B and a

[3:44:17] little bit business law. So anyway,

[3:44:20] that's why Metroplex steps into a lot of these properties that have a

[3:44:24] pilot to help out the city to increase

[3:44:27] tax revenue, housing, and everything

[3:44:29] else. So I just thought that that we

[3:44:32] needed to at least respond to what we

[3:44:34] all sat here last night and talked about

[3:44:36] um the pilot. and and there's more and

[3:44:39] so furthermore I and I think I also

[3:44:41] mentioned I was in touch with Miss Maloy

[3:44:44] and she was developing a report and she

[3:44:46] said it was going to take a while and I

[3:44:47] you know so I was and I talked to Mr.

[3:44:50] Holden Campam since we want to discuss

[3:44:52] all of this um I talked to Mr. Holden

[3:44:54] Camp and asked about you know getting

[3:44:56] the actual

[3:44:59] um agreements

[3:45:00] >> and she said

[3:45:03] and he said you get that from from Mort.

[3:45:06] So I asked for it. she told me it's

[3:45:07] going to take some time to put together.

[3:45:09] So I'm like going to give like half

[3:45:11] information like okay or you know and

[3:45:14] not have all the information for me say

[3:45:16] it again. I was working on this and

[3:45:18] didn't say it and maybe nobody was

[3:45:20] listening in terms of pilots because we

[3:45:22] need to take a look at that and um if

[3:45:26] there's another report that I'm

[3:45:28] receiving that there's something called

[3:45:29] residential pilots. So, I'm not going to

[3:45:31] like get deep into it, but there are

[3:45:33] pilots where people are paying um based

[3:45:36] on the particular um development that

[3:45:41] the person who moves into it, and I

[3:45:43] guess they're buying them in these

[3:45:45] particular ones, that lowers their

[3:45:47] taxes. So, I need to get some clarity on

[3:45:49] how that works as well. And if you want

[3:45:50] to ask them how feel about that, you

[3:45:53] can. But there there are people who own

[3:45:56] or buy these condos that are being

[3:45:58] built. And so the pilot passes on to

[3:46:00] individuals like where you were out that

[3:46:03] so I would have to say maybe there's no

[3:46:05] businesses that get it but there are

[3:46:06] some residential pilots. I'm trying to

[3:46:08] get clarity on how that works.

[3:46:10] >> Thank you.

[3:46:14] » Okay.

[3:46:15] M can go through your recommendation

[3:46:20] relatively brief.

[3:46:23] Okay. So first line is state one 02

[3:46:27] uncollected packets. Um I'm aligned with

[3:46:30] Mr. Varian suggestion um reducing that

[3:46:34] 850. You said 800,000 right? But I said

[3:46:37] 850.

[3:46:38] >> Oh you said 852

[3:46:40] million.

[3:46:41] >> That's fine. We're close.

[3:46:42] >> He wanted to go to 2 million.

[3:46:44] >> Yes. Wanted to go to 2 million which

[3:46:46] would uh that would show back up in our

[3:46:51] general fund. Okay. Uh,

[3:46:53] >> I'm sorry.

[3:46:54] >> Sure. Uh, A1 Z3.

[3:46:59] » Oh,

[3:47:01] so it's just that one's complicated

[3:47:02] because it's like a reduction. Okay.

[3:47:05] Next line. Uh, A16,

[3:47:08] that's the cannabis tax. Um, based on

[3:47:12] the conversation here, um, I would, uh,

[3:47:15] feel comfortable, uh, adding 115,000 to

[3:47:18] that.

[3:47:21] Um,

[3:47:25] » you know what? I'm sorry, but you said,

[3:47:27] well, you you've said 2 million for the

[3:47:28] first one that you were talking about,

[3:47:30] right? I'm sorry. I'm losing track here.

[3:47:31] >> It's okay.

[3:47:32] >> For a 102, you're saying

[3:47:36] >> that we should we should reduce that

[3:47:39] numberion

[3:47:40] >> to 2 million.

[3:47:41] >> Okay. Thank you.

[3:47:42] >> I'm sorry.

[3:47:43] >> Be a net or be a gain of 850,000.

[3:47:50] » Okay. Mhm.

[3:47:51] >> Okay. Moving on to cannabis, which is

[3:47:53] A16.

[3:47:57] » I feel comfortable increasing that based

[3:47:59] on the conversations here tonight. I I

[3:48:01] feel comfortable basing raising that

[3:48:04] $150,000

[3:48:09] 50.

[3:48:11] >> Okay. And now I'm going to go to uh the

[3:48:14] fines parking. Um and so after the

[3:48:17] presentation

[3:48:18] um I now there's there's a caveat there

[3:48:22] because I think we need to understand I

[3:48:24] need to be clear on if

[3:48:27] um then that is already included in the

[3:48:30] existing budget or not. Um, and if it is

[3:48:33] not, then I then I $440,000

[3:48:38] based on the formula that's that's

[3:48:40] strictly based on the formula um that uh

[3:48:43] the chief uh talked to us about today.

[3:48:45] >> Um and if not, then I would be uh

[3:48:48] looking to increase that 220,000.

[3:48:52] >> May I before you proceed?

[3:48:54] >> Mhm. If you look at the 2025

[3:48:57] estimates on the 286 26

[3:49:02] times parking

[3:49:04] 2025,

[3:49:05] >> what page are you on? Just cuz I was

[3:49:06] going to be

[3:49:06] >> page 11. Okay.

[3:49:08] >> Oh,

[3:49:11] >> page 11.

[3:49:12] >> Oh, our regular budget.

[3:49:14] >> 2025. We're carrying 910.

[3:49:17] They roll the same number into 2026

[3:49:20] because they did not factor in the new

[3:49:22] program that they're doing.

[3:49:24] This is a new program they just started.

[3:49:26] >> Okay. So, so

[3:49:28] >> that's what my understanding is. So,

[3:49:29] >> sure. So, in 910 they expect to do the

[3:49:33] same 2025

[3:49:35] 910 into 2026. But because of this new

[3:49:39] program, it's increasing the revenue.

[3:49:40] >> Sure. So, so

[3:49:44] if you look at you look at two 2025 and

[3:49:46] 20. It's absolutely

[3:49:48] >> increase from 910 to plus 910 plus 400.

[3:49:54] >> So I guess my only question then is they gave us

[3:50:00] see I'm I'm adding that uh 440,000 based

[3:50:03] on the formula that you gave us that you

[3:50:06] that you've given as well. But they and

[3:50:09] they told us that that that

[3:50:15] um that that is what created this

[3:50:18] program that they're doing gave us the

[3:50:20] 220,000 to begin with. So if that's the

[3:50:24] case, then I would number I would wonder

[3:50:26] how where they would get that

[3:50:27] information from. You see what I'm

[3:50:28] saying? So in other words, they're

[3:50:29] saying that it's 910 910. But if they

[3:50:32] didn't include it,

[3:50:34] then they were just telling us numbers

[3:50:37] that only they know is what you're

[3:50:38] saying.

[3:50:39] >> That's correct. That's what she is.

[3:50:40] >> Okay.

[3:50:41] >> They have an internal proposal. This is

[3:50:43] what they intend to certainly to

[3:50:44] increase to increase revenue.

[3:50:46] >> Sure. So for my numbers, I would I would

[3:50:48] agree and based on the formula cuz

[3:50:50] that's the number I got to up to

[3:50:52] $440,000

[3:50:54] in the case that it's not included. If if we misunderstood it, then I would be subtracting that in

[3:51:00] half. So you think can just repeat me.

[3:51:04] So you're saying

[3:51:06] >> is does the 910 include the 440? Is that

[3:51:11] what you're saying?

[3:51:12] >> That's what you want to know.

[3:51:13] >> Yeah. So I want to know I want to be

[3:51:15] really clear as to

[3:51:17] if if this new program because what the increase is based on the program.

[3:51:23] They're saying that this many um uh

[3:51:26] sessions equal $220,000.

[3:51:30] Mr. Mudarian understands it as yes,

[3:51:33] that's correct, but that's not reflected

[3:51:36] in in in this existing budget. So, and

[3:51:39] he said, "So, let's double it, which

[3:51:41] would be

[3:51:42] >> which would be 440." However, if it is

[3:51:44] included, then I would say if we double

[3:51:47] it, then it would only then it would uh

[3:51:49] go to 220s, not to 440. open. So my

[3:51:52] contingency is if it's if it's there, if

[3:51:55] it's included and we double it, then add

[3:51:58] 220,000. If it's not included and we

[3:52:01] double it, then add 440,000.

[3:52:03] >> So do you

[3:52:06] has a different there's been

[3:52:08] >> I can send an email to the chief. Okay.

[3:52:10] >> And clarify and go from there. The

[3:52:15] simplest.

[3:52:15] >> Yeah. So I just thought the easiest way

[3:52:17] to do it would just give my numbers in

[3:52:19] both case

[3:52:19] >> scenario. I think you're ready.

[3:52:22] >> Sure.

[3:52:24] >> Okay. And so then I'll go um I'm just

[3:52:29] going to go where I'm different at now.

[3:52:31] Uh for our CBDG money. So my

[3:52:35] understanding is 200 200k. That's line

[3:52:38] A1621

[3:52:41] is where we'll be adding that money. So

[3:52:43] when I say adding, we would be adding

[3:52:46] this money to that line. Meaning that

[3:52:47] the money that's in the existing line

[3:52:49] now would go back to our general fund

[3:52:51] for 200,000.

[3:52:53] >> Okay. Are you saying are you

[3:52:55] recognizing? Are you

[3:52:56] >> That sounds like an expense, right?

[3:52:57] >> So, no, no, no, no, no. So, so to be

[3:52:59] clear, um I'm talking about what Miss

[3:53:02] Barbara presented with us.

[3:53:04] >> She presented us with uh 200 I believe

[3:53:07] it was $2,000 in one case,

[3:53:10] >> huh?

[3:53:12] >> The $200,000.

[3:53:13] >> Yeah. Yeah. And then the maximum was

[3:53:15] $26,000

[3:53:17] if I'm correct.

[3:53:18] >> They were both 200 and 200.

[3:53:20] >> They both one was two

[3:53:23] >> 20.

[3:53:27] So So you give me your really damn

[3:53:30] >> first 180 to 2178 uh was 22,000.

[3:53:34] >> Mhm.

[3:53:34] >> And the second 180 217 was 26,000.

[3:53:38] >> Okay. Correct. That's what I got. So

[3:53:41] >> Okay. Sure. So, so what I'm s So, I'm

[3:53:44] suggesting that so that would be I can't

[3:53:47] just we can't just add that to to

[3:53:50] revenue in order for us to access that

[3:53:52] fund. We have to we have to put this 2002,000

[3:53:58] into line A1621

[3:54:01] and then the money that's existing in

[3:54:03] that would go back to our our general

[3:54:05] thous.

[3:54:07] It's not A16, but I think it would have

[3:54:09] to

[3:54:11] you have to put it into an extent.

[3:54:15] » Uh, Mr. Carter.

[3:54:18] >> Okay. I I I guess I was I'm doing the

[3:54:20] math cuz she said it had to be in this

[3:54:22] department in order for accesses, but

[3:54:24] that's more operational stuff. So, so I

[3:54:26] would just add those to the line.

[3:54:27] >> You just add it to those 21.

[3:54:31] >> Yeah. So, so I would increase the

[3:54:33] revenue lines about 202,000. one case

[3:54:36] and 206,000

[3:54:38] and nothing. Right.

[3:54:39] >> 2170A, I think you wanted to do 202.

[3:54:42] >> Mhm.

[3:54:43] >> And 2170C, I think you're saying

[3:54:45] >> 206. That's correct.

[3:54:48] >> Okay. I just want to write that in my

[3:54:50] paper.

[3:54:55] » Going to move on to the next one.

[3:54:57] >> Yeah, please.

[3:54:58] >> Okay.

[3:54:59] >> Listen, man. Y'all got to calm down a

[3:55:01] little bit. All right.

[3:55:03] Are you with the mic for us?

[3:55:06] >> I just I just

[3:55:12] I'm just using mine to be able to do.

[3:55:15] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not

[3:55:17] >> Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. I'm I'm almost done,

[3:55:20] y'all.

[3:55:21] >> No, we almost done. Okay. So, um line

[3:55:24] A3089H

[3:55:26] the casino.

[3:55:29] >> Um

[3:55:29] >> Okay.

[3:55:30] [Music]

[3:55:32] I'm I'm with uh I agree I agree with Mr.

[3:55:34] Turo and increasing that line. Um she

[3:55:38] had it at 500.

[3:55:40] Is you had that 500, right? I'm just

[3:55:42] saying two. I'm saying 200.

[3:55:44] >> Okay.

[3:55:45] >> Yeah.

[3:55:45] >> Please tell me the line again. I'm

[3:55:46] sorry.

[3:55:47] >> No, no, no. It's all right. It is

[3:55:49] 83089H.

[3:55:52] Right. Did I say that right?

[3:55:53] >> 3089

[3:55:55] 89. Okay. You're saying what? And I'm

[3:55:58] saying increase that by 200,000.

[3:56:03] I want to say 500 too, Dorian, but I

[3:56:05] can't quite get there.

[3:56:06] >> I I know. I know. I'm hopeful.

[3:56:08] >> Yes. Okay. Now, we're going to go I'm

[3:56:11] going to go to uh the sales of houses.

[3:56:14] That is line A2660A.

[3:56:22] » Please.

[3:56:23] >> Okay. I'm I want to make sure

[3:56:24] everybody's there, man. All right.

[3:56:26] We spend more time doing it and usually

[3:56:29] that just pops out of Oh, 2660.

[3:56:31] >> Yes. Okay, got we're there. So, I'm I

[3:56:34] feel comfortable increasing that line.

[3:56:35] $500,000.

[3:56:39] » So, okay.

[3:56:41] >> So, you want to go to 3.5 million.

[3:56:44] >> $500,000.

[3:56:45] Correct.

[3:56:49] for our

[3:56:52] mortgage tax increase.

[3:56:56] I I So this is I have a question mark

[3:56:58] here

[3:57:00] >> because I I want to get uh Mr. Müer,

[3:57:02] could you just give me a little bit your

[3:57:04] reasoning on that again?

[3:57:06] >> Okay. The

[3:57:09] is based on the trend that's happening

[3:57:10] in connectivity. We have seen we have

[3:57:11] house the house price escalated over the

[3:57:15] last few years. that the sale price is

[3:57:18] far higher than three years ago.

[3:57:20] >> Absolutely.

[3:57:20] >> So the mortgage is more higher.

[3:57:23] >> So in that case the municipality will

[3:57:26] generate more um revenue mortgage tax

[3:57:30] revenue.

[3:57:30] >> Mhm.

[3:57:31] >> And that's how I'm factoring that.

[3:57:32] >> Sure.

[3:57:33] >> So as the house price keep rising the

[3:57:36] mortgage keep going up the taxes keep

[3:57:38] going up for us.

[3:57:39] >> That's yeah that's what we discussed.

[3:57:42] Yes.

[3:57:42] >> Okay. And I was and now was the two

[3:57:44] properties that are um

[3:57:48] wrapping up soon the two high value

[3:57:50] properties was that

[3:57:51] >> that wasn't attribute to that.

[3:57:53] >> That was correct. We talk about that

[3:57:56] situation,

[3:57:56] >> right? But we sure yes

[3:58:02] because of why my number went up that

[3:58:04] high.

[3:58:04] >> Oh no, I know why.

[3:58:05] >> Uh the mayor looking at okay we have two

[3:58:08] big projects you know happen.

[3:58:11] >> Mhm. where that sort of is going to

[3:58:12] happen this year. Those two more likely

[3:58:15] will roll over into next year

[3:58:17] >> and we're looking for high numbers

[3:58:18] there. So you have 3 million and they

[3:58:20] hope they're saying that okay it's going

[3:58:22] to happen this year is what might not

[3:58:23] happen. So that money needs to roll over

[3:58:25] into next year. So that's all back to

[3:58:26] 1.5 million.

[3:58:27] >> Yes. So it's going to happen next year

[3:58:29] >> and that based on

[3:58:30] >> we only have two months more

[3:58:31] >> connected. I thought you said 1.4

[3:58:33] million but you're saying 1.5 million.

[3:58:35] >> Yes. 1.5 million. I see.

[3:58:37] >> So, so for that line, I just wanted to

[3:58:39] make sure that that um so for that line

[3:58:41] based on what uh Miss Carver was saying

[3:58:43] and and you know, I figured those two

[3:58:45] property sales going through can uh make

[3:58:49] a huge difference, but being that we're

[3:58:50] not exactly sure where they were fall, I

[3:58:52] just felt a little I went a little more

[3:58:53] conservative at 500,000 on that one.

[3:58:56] >> So, so instead of 950,

[3:58:59] >> yeah, I just wanted to reference that.

[3:59:01] >> So, no, that I did something confusing.

[3:59:03] That's fine. Go back to your mobile.

[3:59:04] >> Okay. So, so more so, so yeah. So, uh,

[3:59:08] so for a mortgage tax, um, I felt

[3:59:10] comfortable increasing that $200,000.

[3:59:14] >> So, that would be, uh, 1

[3:59:19] >> A30005.

[3:59:21] Yes. $200,000.

[3:59:24] So, that would be 1.2.

[3:59:27] >> Mhm.

[3:59:29] All right.

[3:59:39] And oh, bus patrol.

[3:59:45] Let make sure I got that line right.

[3:59:48] >> That's that's A2610B,

[3:59:51] right?

[3:59:52] >> And like and like Nancy. Okay. Party.

[3:59:55] Yeah. So,

[3:59:58] being that there's uh $600,000

[4:00:01] out there, I was I felt comfortable um

[4:00:04] in saying agreeing like if we could

[4:00:07] collect a third of that, I'm pretty

[4:00:09] confident that just a third of that

[4:00:10] would get us to $200,000. So, that's

[4:00:12] where I was at on that line.

[4:00:15] Increased of $200,000 that 600 bas just

[4:00:20] being successful collecting a third of

[4:00:22] that.

[4:00:24] You're very conservative, huh?

[4:00:26] >> You're very conservative. What the hell?

[4:00:28] Really?

[4:00:29] I say you have more than

[4:00:34] I say you were. All right. And um so and

[4:00:39] the last thing uh as far as

[4:00:44] our golf, listen, I was faster than all

[4:00:48] of y'all, by the way. Just so you know,

[4:00:49] I'm like going record time.

[4:00:52] So,

[4:00:53] >> okay. Hey, listen. I'm just saying. All

[4:00:55] right. All right. So, so uh the

[4:00:59] so our golf our golf reserve which is

[4:01:02] CR9950

[4:01:04] for the golf reserve there. Could you

[4:01:06] help me understand that again? because I

[4:01:08] want to make sure that I'm understanding

[4:01:10] that because what I see is I was

[4:01:13] suggesting that that golf reserve money goes into

[4:01:20] the the capital fund but for the golf

[4:01:23] course particularly that's how I

[4:01:24] understand that

[4:01:27] >> I'm looking at revenue I believe

[4:01:32] » if you're looking at the transfer from

[4:01:35] there have to some increase the fund

[4:01:38] which would refund one of the revenue

[4:01:39] lines which they usually um bring the

[4:01:43] capital on that and Chris in January. So

[4:01:47] we have to figure out what is $150,000

[4:01:50] increase and you go to your expense line

[4:01:52] of transfers see the transfer the

[4:01:55] general fund by 150.

[4:01:57] >> Mhm. So, yeah, cuz cuz right now it

[4:02:01] says, let me see here. Where are we?

[4:02:03] >> Let me make sure I'm in the right place

[4:02:05] here.

[4:02:07] >> Trying to find it.

[4:02:08] >> Yeah, it's it's like in the back here.

[4:02:09] So, it's

[4:02:10] >> that that's

[4:02:13] it doesn't

[4:02:20] transfers from golf.

[4:02:21] >> Right. So, if you look at the bottom of page 90,

[4:02:28] >> right, where it says I'm looking at

[4:02:32] >> transfer to capital fund.

[4:02:34] >> Mhm.

[4:02:35] >> So, in 2023, it was 213,000.

[4:02:38] >> It would be it would be the uh general

[4:02:41] fund looking for youth.

[4:02:44] >> No, no, no, no, no. Youth is covered.

[4:02:45] You're maybe

[4:02:48] it's CR990191

[4:02:51] trans.

[4:02:54] » Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. So, listen.

[4:02:57] So, let me follow my train of thought

[4:02:59] for a second. So, what I'm saying is

[4:03:01] that

[4:03:03] on line CR9950498

[4:03:08] that says transfer to capital fund. Now

[4:03:11] when it when we say transfer to capital

[4:03:13] fund that's transferred to the golf

[4:03:15] course capital fund correct or is that

[4:03:17] the city

[4:03:18] >> that goes into the office that's the

[4:03:21] reserves

[4:03:21] >> the reserves for the

[4:03:23] >> for the golf course

[4:03:28] » it's not just for the golf course it's

[4:03:30] just for the golf course

[4:03:31] >> right it's just for the golf course

[4:03:33] >> you can't use we can't use capital money

[4:03:35] for youth

[4:03:36] >> no no no guess we no no you're not

[4:03:38] saying so no no what this how I

[4:03:41] understand it that there is a reserve

[4:03:43] fund or a a capital fund. So in other

[4:03:46] words, a portion of revenues that the

[4:03:48] golf course makes,

[4:03:50] >> they take that money and put it into a

[4:03:52] line for their only their specific

[4:03:55] capital fun.

[4:03:56] >> So So we can access that money.

[4:04:00] >> Sure.

[4:04:00] >> The reason why we can't use other

[4:04:02] capital fund money is because we borrow

[4:04:04] that money to do capital projects. This

[4:04:06] is money that's coming into the city

[4:04:08] that is earmarked for the golf courses

[4:04:10] capital fund.

[4:04:11] >> So what capital fund would you use with

[4:04:13] that money?

[4:04:14] >> So what I'm suggesting is that if we if

[4:04:17] we look at it in two in in 2023 it was

[4:04:20] 213,000

[4:04:22] 2024 it was 160,000. So I was saying

[4:04:25] that 150,000 that I think that that's a

[4:04:30] fair

[4:04:32] >> but it's capital.

[4:04:33] >> No you're No, you're No, you're not.

[4:04:35] You're wrong. I guess that's your

[4:04:36] question.

[4:04:36] >> No, you're No, you're it's not.

[4:04:38] >> I hear you. It's general fund money

[4:04:40] because it's capital fun. It doesn't

[4:04:42] become until they spend it on their own.

[4:04:44] >> It's not. So what you're doing,

[4:04:48] please let me finish. Let it please. So I So I think the fact that Mayor I

[4:04:55] think the fact that it says transfer to

[4:04:56] capital fund is kind of what might be

[4:04:58] throwing you off.

[4:04:59] >> It's not throwing me off at all because

[4:05:00] I see the transfer to the general fund.

[4:05:02] >> Exactly. That's from the Gulf. Right.

[4:05:04] That's okay. All right. So, all right.

[4:05:06] So, is it? Yes, it is. So, so listen to

[4:05:09] what I'm saying. I'm going to use a

[4:05:11] hypothetical number here just so the

[4:05:12] math is a lot easier. Okay. Say the the

[4:05:15] say that the golf course makes $200,000

[4:05:19] in revenue.

[4:05:21] $100,000 of that revenue goes into our

[4:05:25] general fund is what is is the line

[4:05:27] you're talking about. Mhm.

[4:05:28] >> Then the golf course takes another the

[4:05:31] other $100,000 and transfers that into

[4:05:33] their own capital fund.

[4:05:36] >> Mhm.

[4:05:36] >> Which actually could be money that goes

[4:05:40] into the general fund.

[4:05:42] >> This is not Are you see what I'm saying

[4:05:44] now?

[4:05:45] >> Yeah. That's what's happened, right?

[4:05:49] So I have I have a question for the

[4:05:50] commissioner because

[4:05:53] >> historically the c the god fund has

[4:05:55] always been for lack of a better term a

[4:05:57] lock box. It goes way back because of

[4:06:01] improvements that needed to be done that

[4:06:03] weren't done and they wanted to create a

[4:06:05] dedicated funding stream so

[4:06:08] >> so any you know the fees of the golf

[4:06:11] course would be generated to deal with

[4:06:13] golf course improvements and

[4:06:15] maintenance.

[4:06:15] >> Yes. Okay. So, so is the golf is the

[4:06:20] golf fund transferring money to the

[4:06:21] general fund?

[4:06:23] >> And every year, every year there's a

[4:06:26] certain amount that we transfer over to

[4:06:28] the golf the general to the water. Um,

[4:06:31] it's in the budget.

[4:06:32] >> Yeah.

[4:06:34] A certain amount of capital fund money

[4:06:36] so we don't end up borrowing for capital

[4:06:40] projects that

[4:06:42] we earark a certain amount. So we don't

[4:06:46] suggest dipping into that.

[4:06:47] >> That's fine. What I'm saying is that the

[4:06:50] restrictions when we when we're talking

[4:06:52] about capital money in any other place

[4:06:54] in this budget, those are funds that we

[4:06:57] cannot that we have very tight

[4:07:00] restrictions that we have,

[4:07:02] right? That's law.

[4:07:05] This capital money is only capital money

[4:07:09] because we're calling it capital money,

[4:07:11] but it really could go into the general

[4:07:13] fund.

[4:07:15] right or wrong. Can I ask a question

[4:07:16] because my understanding has always been

[4:07:19] for all the years that I've been on

[4:07:20] doing this that is what we're doing on page

[4:07:27] 90

[4:07:35] knows more about this than I think

[4:07:37] anyone

[4:07:38] just

[4:07:39] >> I just have one question that's all

[4:07:42] >> I just want to ask this one question

[4:07:44] because I thought if you look at page 90

[4:07:48] >> I am

[4:07:49] >> I thought that the transfer to the

[4:07:51] general fund, the transfer to the water

[4:07:52] fund and the transfer to the sewer fund

[4:07:54] is coming from golf fund.

[4:07:57] >> It is.

[4:07:58] >> Yeah. So we already are taking the golf

[4:07:59] money and putting it into those free

[4:08:02] funds. And if you look also we're not

[4:08:04] taking any money and putting it into a

[4:08:06] capital fund for this year. Go ahead.

[4:08:09] >> No, it just because we don't know we are

[4:08:11] going to take money put into a capital

[4:08:12] fund.

[4:08:13] >> No, because we don't have the funds.

[4:08:14] just don't have the money. We don't have

[4:08:15] the final figures

[4:08:17] of surplus,

[4:08:18] >> right?

[4:08:18] >> That's right.

[4:08:20] That's why you see the budget amount of

[4:08:22] both adopted for 2021.

[4:08:24] >> Correct.

[4:08:27] >> Commissioner the transfers to water and

[4:08:29] sewer funds because the facility uses

[4:08:32] water and sewer. Correct. So therefore,

[4:08:35] it's representing the pay as you go the

[4:08:38] docks. Right. So that's to come you're

[4:08:40] getting those transfers not just for

[4:08:42] bookkeeping purposes. It's it's

[4:08:44] representing the use. Correct.

[4:08:46] >> So the capital fund transfer is the

[4:08:51] money that will be used for capital

[4:08:53] projects

[4:08:55] at at the golf course.

[4:08:56] >> Yes.

[4:08:57] >> So that is that money has been generated

[4:09:00] from the fees of of golfers.

[4:09:04] >> Right.

[4:09:05] >> Correct. So, and therefore in keeping

[4:09:07] with the lock box mentality by the very

[4:09:09] fact that we have a separate line items

[4:09:12] for the golf

[4:09:13] >> has to be kept separate. Is that is that

[4:09:15] >> no

[4:09:18] from my understanding years past that's

[4:09:21] how it's always been done?

[4:09:22] >> I'm not asking how it's always been

[4:09:23] done. I'm asking is that do we are we

[4:09:25] legally obligated to do it that way?

[4:09:27] >> I you know I'm just have to I would have

[4:09:30] to I can't even answer right now. I have

[4:09:32] to look at

[4:09:33] >> He wants to Yeah. So, I'm going to have

[4:09:35] to take a look. You know, it's the

[4:09:37] gospel and and what created it was very

[4:09:40] it's in our code. I think the

[4:09:43] commissioner got I don't know but the

[4:09:46] idea is it was a lock box for capital

[4:09:49] improvements because it was under the golf course was going in a certain

[4:09:55] negative direction and that that was way

[4:09:58] the council at the time wanted to go to

[4:10:01] create a fund for separate from the

[4:10:03] general fund. So can I ask one more

[4:10:05] question you're trying to get is there a

[4:10:08] reason that you wouldn't look at the

[4:10:09] transfer to the general fund for that

[4:10:11] money

[4:10:12] >> because the transfer to the general fund

[4:10:15] that money was already in the general

[4:10:16] fund

[4:10:19] >> he's looking for more money

[4:10:20] >> so in other words of course I

[4:10:23] >> no no I know

[4:10:24] >> we all are right we just do that or am I

[4:10:27] missing something we all said move take

[4:10:29] but right so that's what I'm doing

[4:10:31] >> and then have the golf course borrow the

[4:10:34] capital instead of funding their own if

[4:10:37] no I understand what you're saying or

[4:10:38] that's what you're getting at or maybe

[4:10:41] 76,000 more

[4:10:42] >> or maybe we just recognize that we just

[4:10:44] invested $3 million of ARPA fund into

[4:10:47] the golf course just last year and

[4:10:50] recognizing that we put three $3 million

[4:10:52] into the golf course fund that there is

[4:10:55] no lockbox fund we're calling this

[4:10:58] capital funds but these but these funds

[4:11:00] are not under the same restrictions that

[4:11:03] other capital funds are because we're

[4:11:04] borrowing capital funds for capital

[4:11:06] projects. This is city revenue that that

[4:11:09] we're holding aside for capital projects

[4:11:13] uh strictly for the golf course. And I'm

[4:11:15] saying that we just put $3 million in

[4:11:17] the golf course and this is not the year

[4:11:18] to be doing that.

[4:11:21] >> Mr. I think I think

[4:11:23] >> I think the description needs to be

[4:11:25] changed because that is revenue that is

[4:11:26] coming in from the golf course.

[4:11:28] >> Thank you.

[4:11:28] >> And they're trying to hold that money.

[4:11:31] The surplus is being used to help with

[4:11:35] projects within the Gulf Coast. So it's

[4:11:38] revenue.

[4:11:39] >> Exactly.

[4:11:40] >> Like back out expenditure surplus. They

[4:11:43] hold it in there for future project.

[4:11:46] That is not capital. It should be

[4:11:47] capital.

[4:11:49] >> It's for capital project, but it's not

[4:11:50] capital money. Exactly.

[4:11:53] >> So let's So that description should be

[4:11:56] changed. Well, they they they've been

[4:11:58] using it per capital. What I'm saying,

[4:12:00] the same way that Mr. Williams is

[4:12:02] suggesting that we're not borrowing all

[4:12:04] of this money for capital projects in

[4:12:06] other places because that's going to

[4:12:08] impact the city. What I'm saying is that

[4:12:11] this is a fund that has been called

[4:12:15] something and operating something other

[4:12:17] than what I believe it is to Mr. Moods,

[4:12:21] but I'm saying that this is money that's

[4:12:23] accessible to us. We And being that I

[4:12:26] don't think that that's a tall order. We

[4:12:28] just It is. Absolutely. It is.

[4:12:30] >> But we're not going to use it. We're not

[4:12:31] touching it.

[4:12:31] >> Well, I think we should.

[4:12:33] >> I just And you got to stay away from

[4:12:35] giving them 3 million because we handed

[4:12:37] out a lot of ARPA money.

[4:12:38] >> But no, I'm going to talk about that

[4:12:40] back from people.

[4:12:41] >> Of course we are. The whole point of us

[4:12:43] investing into the golf golf course.

[4:12:45] >> Well, to increase revenue

[4:12:48] so we could Right. So when we need

[4:12:50] >> back into the

[4:12:53] >> So are we are we are we not going to

[4:12:55] compliment each other?

[4:12:56] >> No. No. Go. So raise my hand.

[4:12:58] >> Please please hold on. Finish off your presentation. Please.

[4:13:04] You finished?

[4:13:06] >> I'm done.

[4:13:08] >> No, but you

[4:13:10] >> I can I just add something to your

[4:13:12] presentation?

[4:13:12] >> Sure. I'm

[4:13:13] >> so Because when um Matt Daily was here,

[4:13:16] he was and we were he was talking about

[4:13:17] different ways. He came up with a

[4:13:19] scenario where they would do an event

[4:13:21] bank or something to raise that extra

[4:13:22] money and charge people whatever is a

[4:13:24] whole

[4:13:25] >> organ sponsor

[4:13:29] and have that money definitely dedicated

[4:13:32] to the service program. So I just want

[4:13:34] to just bring that back to the

[4:13:36] conversation because there was he did

[4:13:38] introduce a possibility of a way to get

[4:13:41] done what you're trying to get done

[4:13:42] which is I guess another 150 right.

[4:13:44] >> No I'm not. No I'm not. What's I'm

[4:13:46] trying to what I'm trying to increase

[4:13:48] revenues. What I'm saying is that we

[4:13:50] found the money for the youth program.

[4:13:52] We still have to find money well for

[4:13:54] multiple things. But I'm saying that that this money going back into the

[4:13:59] general fund can support the senior

[4:14:01] program and the rest of the money can go

[4:14:03] back into the general fund to support

[4:14:06] other things is what I'm saying. We and and I think it's it's being that we

[4:14:12] did invest $3 million into the into the

[4:14:15] golf course is because it's supposed to

[4:14:18] generate revenue for the city. This is city revenue money that we that

[4:14:23] is all is being earmarked for things and

[4:14:27] it's acting like it's restricted in this

[4:14:29] lock box. But there is no lock box for

[4:14:31] this money. This is city money and we

[4:14:32] should have access to it and put it into

[4:14:34] our budget as we see fit. It is not

[4:14:38] guaranteed though. That's why it's on

[4:14:40] >> my my number of account.

[4:14:42] >> Sure. My my number 150,000 is based on

[4:14:45] the last two years of reporting where

[4:14:47] one was 213 213,000 and then last year

[4:14:50] it was 160,000. So that's how I justify

[4:14:53] my 150,000.

[4:14:54] >> What what Navy is doing over the year is

[4:14:56] the surplus. They hold on to the surplus

[4:14:58] to help with their project within the

[4:15:00] golf course. So it's more of money there

[4:15:02] to kind of like carry them on into doing

[4:15:04] different projects.

[4:15:06] >> But um

[4:15:07] >> I know what they

[4:15:08] >> it's uh it can be used for any other

[4:15:10] purpose.

[4:15:11] >> Right. And that's what I'm saying is

[4:15:14] saying

[4:15:14] >> and what I'm saying

[4:15:16] >> and I'm saying being that we correct

[4:15:17] being that we just invested $3 million

[4:15:20] in that into that golf course $150,000

[4:15:23] coming back into city revenue should not

[4:15:25] be a problem. All right. I'm done.

[4:15:28] >> Okay. I guess I want to say that again.

[4:15:31] The reason we put $3 million into the

[4:15:34] golf course was because

[4:15:38] the golf course is one of the true

[4:15:40] revenue drivers. It makes money. Every

[4:15:43] year we increase the fees that we charge

[4:15:46] to people who come and use the golf

[4:15:48] course. And I also want to always say

[4:15:50] I'm not a golfer. I don't use the golf

[4:15:52] course, but I am chair of Elmer.

[4:15:55] So, I do look at all the parks and the

[4:15:57] golf course in my work as a city council

[4:16:01] person. So, what I've learned over the

[4:16:03] years, it is a revenue driver. If I just

[4:16:06] want to remind you, if we didn't put

[4:16:10] that revenue back into the golf course,

[4:16:12] we would have to find that we would have

[4:16:14] to find money to pay the expenses for

[4:16:18] all the maintenance and improvements to

[4:16:20] the golf course every year. So, the golf

[4:16:22] course is selfgenerating.

[4:16:24] what it then uses to maintain its golf

[4:16:28] course. Our golf course is widely

[4:16:31] recognized throughout the Capitol region

[4:16:34] from people who are members of like

[4:16:36] private clubs where they play a zillion

[4:16:38] dollars to be in these private clubs as

[4:16:41] one of the jewels of the city of

[4:16:42] Skenctity where we're we're recognized

[4:16:45] because of things like Central Park and

[4:16:47] how fabulous all the options at Central

[4:16:50] Park are, how fabulous our golf course

[4:16:52] is. So, I would argue against using golf

[4:16:56] money for anything but the continued

[4:16:58] maintenance and improvements of the golf

[4:17:00] course and the $3 million in ARPA

[4:17:02] funding that we used. I just want to

[4:17:05] remind everybody that for years we've

[4:17:08] had a manual system where they literally

[4:17:11] had to go around and turn spiggots in

[4:17:15] order to irrigate the golf course. when

[4:17:20] the $3 million paid for a

[4:17:22] state-of-the-art irrigation system that

[4:17:25] now like many things in our lives can be

[4:17:27] controlled even by a phone um to

[4:17:30] irrigate our system. Otherwise, you'd

[4:17:32] have staffing, you'd have all sorts of

[4:17:35] other things that you would have to do

[4:17:37] in order to maintain the pristine nature

[4:17:39] of the golf course for which we also

[4:17:41] charge residents and non-residents to

[4:17:44] play golf. Um so I would not touch and

[4:17:48] we already use

[4:17:49] money for other unless I'm reading this

[4:17:53] wrong or have been reading it wrong for

[4:17:54] five and a half years. Um, we use money

[4:17:58] from the golf course into other funds.

[4:18:01] >> Yeah, but you are reading wrong because

[4:18:03] we use money for other other funds.

[4:18:06] >> Because we using water, right? So,

[4:18:09] >> as Mr. Canow one to talk, please.

[4:18:13] >> Yes, I was finishing my

[4:18:15] >> I thought she was responding to me, so I

[4:18:17] was responding to her. Mr. is English

[4:18:20] before before you um cooperation

[4:18:23] council. Let me let me go back into the golf and you're saying that um

[4:18:32] the golf course is generating revenue.

[4:18:37] The golf board is generating enough

[4:18:40] revenue to sustain themselves.

[4:18:43] >> I said

[4:18:44] >> they're not generating revenue to bring

[4:18:45] into the general fund.

[4:18:46] >> I I think I said that. No. Let me

[4:18:48] clarify self- sustaining.

[4:18:51] >> So they are not they are not a what

[4:18:53] we're trying to say. Okay, we generate

[4:18:55] millions of dollars in revenue and we're

[4:18:57] putting it in the DMR fund. They are

[4:18:59] generating enough money to keep them

[4:19:02] afloat.

[4:19:03] >> Yes. I was wrong with my last.

[4:19:05] >> So I Yes. So I want to clarify that

[4:19:07] because if you look at the revenue here,

[4:19:09] there's nothing else coming into the

[4:19:10] general fund to say that we make 2002

[4:19:13] 200,000 $300,000 and we're putting that

[4:19:16] into general fund and then we can say oh

[4:19:18] there's a surplus and there goes fund

[4:19:21] take this $250,000.

[4:19:23] This course is sustaining itself based

[4:19:27] on expenditure and revenue. whatever

[4:19:30] surplus they rece get every year remain

[4:19:33] to that department to help them with

[4:19:35] projects. So they they break they break

[4:19:38] even on this project on this golf

[4:19:40] course,

[4:19:40] >> right?

[4:19:40] >> So there's no excessive revenue. So when

[4:19:43] we use the term that they're generating

[4:19:45] revenue, they're generating revenue from

[4:19:48] being paid themselves. Okay,

[4:19:49] >> I want to clarify that because that may

[4:19:51] be a perception out there that well the

[4:19:53] golf course are bringing in millions of

[4:19:55] dollars and they are bringing in money

[4:19:56] to help themselves

[4:19:57] >> and the money that I'm talking about

[4:20:00] >> the money that I'm ident that I have

[4:20:02] identified isn't even money to keep them

[4:20:04] up and running. That's money that they

[4:20:06] use for future capital projects. And I'm

[4:20:09] saying in in the budget that we're

[4:20:10] facing after investing $3 million,

[4:20:12] that's money that can be put to better

[4:20:14] use than

[4:20:16] >> Okay. We're going to have to uh we I

[4:20:18] mean finance department and legal are

[4:20:21] going to have to see whether that's

[4:20:23] legally poss legally possible, you know,

[4:20:26] pursuing the code and uh as well as how

[4:20:29] that fund was created fiscally.

[4:20:32] >> Yes, please. It's legal.

[4:20:36] >> So, Mr.

[4:20:37] >> Yes, please. And and so I agree with

[4:20:39] that because part of the reason that

[4:20:41] you're seeing water, sewer, and golf, um

[4:20:44] I don't know all the in this particular

[4:20:47] legislation, but the reason they're

[4:20:48] broken out in the budget in the um

[4:20:51] budget like that is you're supposed to

[4:20:52] be able to sustain yourself. So you're

[4:20:54] supposed to whatever you take in is what

[4:20:56] you need to pay out to do that. So I

[4:20:58] don't know the um

[4:21:02] ordinance that was made for golf fund

[4:21:04] but it may speak specifically to that to

[4:21:07] say that. So that's what they're going

[4:21:08] to look to and that's why which is also

[4:21:11] why I'm just throwing here now. We

[4:21:13] should really be doing the same with

[4:21:14] waste because we're only supposed to

[4:21:15] spend on waste when we came in. So that

[4:21:18] is why that is like that. So there may

[4:21:20] be there may be um the organizing

[4:21:24] document for the for the golf course

[4:21:26] that says we can't do that. But I think

[4:21:28] we have to look at it and make sure

[4:21:30] >> that's why the corporation council has

[4:21:31] been they will look into it and get back

[4:21:34] to us in terms of can we do this

[4:21:37] >> can we not do it

[4:21:38] >> but I guess my point is that if there's documents saying that we

[4:21:44] can't do that we can certainly overturn

[4:21:47] that and do that as this council is what

[4:21:49] I'm saying that's within our perview to

[4:21:51] do that

[4:21:53] >> I don't know the answer to that

[4:21:54] >> I don't Yes.

[4:21:58] Listen after that. I'm not I'm not going

[4:22:01] to be able to limitation. We can't do

[4:22:04] that.

[4:22:06] >> This

[4:22:07] >> Yes. Absolutely.

[4:22:08] >> No, no, no. Because importantly things

[4:22:09] take from appearance and takes all that

[4:22:11] stuff.

[4:22:12] >> Yeah. Any any other expenditure you have

[4:22:15] for this? I'm

[4:22:16] >> I'm I'm just going to do revenue.

[4:22:19] Yeah. I'm done with revenue. That's it.

[4:22:22] Uh please uh the email from uh Oh, I get

[4:22:27] the email. I explain it to yourself.

[4:22:29] >> Oh, so it doesn't down.

[4:22:31] >> Yeah, I just just in to just in time. I

[4:22:33] didn't to respect time, I didn't want

[4:22:35] to. So, we I'll just be really quick and

[4:22:37] I said that I was saying that we should

[4:22:38] do a 3% raise across for all management.

[4:22:43] Um

[4:22:45] and we should not have any uh stipens.

[4:22:49] And I think that we should have uh a

[4:22:51] create a citywide $10,000 pot of money

[4:22:54] for people when they are in at our most

[4:22:57] um extreme circumstances where they have

[4:22:59] to stay late or come in. That that money

[4:23:02] should be drawn out of that $10,000 pot

[4:23:04] and that should be for um essentially

[4:23:07] citywide. Everyone else that's

[4:23:09] non-contractual needs to you know kind

[4:23:12] of manage their manage their time and

[4:23:14] flex their time. Um, but I don't agree

[4:23:16] with not giving any raises which why I'm

[4:23:18] saying I think the fairest thing to do

[4:23:20] would be a 3% flat raise because that's

[4:23:22] really to stay afront of inflation and

[4:23:25] the way things are going right now. If

[4:23:26] we don't do that it wouldn't be it would

[4:23:29] almost be like a pay reduction because

[4:23:31] of the where inflation is right now that

[4:23:33] 3% is is

[4:23:36] three things you have here. Could you

[4:23:37] please go one by one a little um capture

[4:23:40] talk about um um stipens?

[4:23:44] >> Yeah. So what so in the email what I

[4:23:46] said is that we have so if you look

[4:23:49] through this didn't need an exact budget

[4:23:51] line because it's across departments

[4:23:53] that and there's different raises where

[4:23:55] there's 8% 12% for varying reasons that

[4:23:58] we all heard.

[4:23:59] >> What I'm saying is that

[4:24:00] non-contractctional meaning that we are

[4:24:02] not contractually obligated to give

[4:24:04] anyone more than 3%. Then everyone

[4:24:07] across should get a 3% raise. Um, so

[4:24:11] everyone gets, you know, the same thing

[4:24:13] that's that we're that we're allowed to

[4:24:15] do and and

[4:24:19] so that should uh increase

[4:24:22] of of revenue right there and as well or

[4:24:25] that should uh decrease expenditures I

[4:24:27] should say and also um the stipens and

[4:24:31] out of grade paid anything that's

[4:24:33] non-contractual I think needs to come

[4:24:35] back in as well.

[4:24:37] >> Yeah, that's why I wanted to make sure

[4:24:38] we capture that. So you want to have

[4:24:39] slight if it's not contractual you want

[4:24:41] to remove.

[4:24:42] >> Yes.

[4:24:44] >> And then have a single which I was

[4:24:46] >> the two stipens something

[4:24:47] >> and like I agreed anything like a stipen

[4:24:51] or you're going to be here later. I

[4:24:52] think that when I was looking through

[4:24:54] the budget they're I I know that they're

[4:24:56] not the exact same thing but they're but

[4:24:58] they're described differently but I

[4:25:00] think they're relatively similar. And

[4:25:02] then you're asking to create a

[4:25:04] >> a single

[4:25:05] >> single line for maybe 10,000 and yeah

[4:25:08] for the for the and maybe it needs to be

[4:25:11] a little more than that but just for

[4:25:12] those people who like this is an actual

[4:25:14] emergency. You have to come in here to

[4:25:17] save the city. So you put your cape on

[4:25:19] at 2:00 in the morning. Yeah, we need to

[4:25:21] have some money there for that. Like it

[4:25:22] should only happen in those very extreme

[4:25:23] certain.

[4:25:24] >> I want to make sure you know that

[4:25:25] everything is captured.

[4:25:26] >> I appreciate that. They get documented

[4:25:28] into our into our proposal for

[4:25:32] when it comes to out of grade pay um and

[4:25:35] people have job descriptions and they do

[4:25:37] things outside of their pay outside of

[4:25:40] the job descriptions. Don't we have that

[4:25:42] site?

[4:25:44] being paid for that when they're doing

[4:25:45] things

[4:25:48] title pays

[4:25:51] >> that's contractual right

[4:25:52] >> that's for you know title pay is for you

[4:25:55] know for contract employee I mean you

[4:25:58] know the the union denies employees you

[4:26:02] know they have certain job functions

[4:26:03] assigned to their title they're asked to

[4:26:05] perform they can

[4:26:07] >> they can perform those functions but by

[4:26:09] the same token they can file a brief and

[4:26:11] has to be compensated for additional

[4:26:15] down their titles

[4:26:16] >> and and that's contractual employees.

[4:26:19] Correct.

[4:26:20] >> Right. That's what I said.

[4:26:21] >> What I mean when you speak contractually

[4:26:23] meaning the CSEAN

[4:26:27] those unionized employees. Yes. if

[4:26:31] there's always if they're being asked to

[4:26:33] go outside to do work um and they have

[4:26:36] to be compensated as that item had to

[4:26:39] work or there's a grievance

[4:26:41] >> um so as they should and that's in their

[4:26:44] contract is what I'm saying.

[4:26:45] >> So this would not uh talk about anything

[4:26:49] that's in their contract. I understand

[4:26:50] that we have to work within the

[4:26:51] parameters of contract.

[4:26:52] >> So I mean what you're looking for is

[4:26:55] management but you get

[4:26:58] >> outside of the contractual agreement.

[4:27:00] Yes, that's

[4:27:03] a

[4:27:04] >> I refer to them as non-contractual staff

[4:27:06] and I'm saying outside of the agreement

[4:27:08] employees instead of having these

[4:27:11] stipens they would discuss you would

[4:27:14] have just this pool of money as stipened

[4:27:17] or

[4:27:18] for for

[4:27:22] hours beyond what their regular work

[4:27:24] hours are. I mean that you know

[4:27:26] >> be mindful that you don't get into a

[4:27:28] position where it's just a undefined

[4:27:32] amount of money and needs to pay you

[4:27:34] know pay certain individuals and not pay

[4:27:37] other individuals you know has to be

[4:27:40] parameters and how it's

[4:27:43] so yeah so so to be really clear what

[4:27:46] I'm saying is this is that if you go

[4:27:48] through the budget you go to certain

[4:27:49] departments you have and again let's

[4:27:51] exclude our union works okay we're not

[4:27:54] talking about them. That's why I put

[4:27:55] that language in in the email. But what you have is that uh manager in this

[4:28:00] department

[4:28:02] um of 8% raise manager over here 12%

[4:28:08] raise and then a whole bunch of 3%

[4:28:10] raises and then an 8% raise. I

[4:28:13] completely understand why it's

[4:28:15] happening. I understand and heard the

[4:28:16] reasons why it's going like that. What

[4:28:18] I'm saying is that in this situation

[4:28:19] that we're that we're in, give everyone

[4:28:21] the flat 3% raise to make sure that we

[4:28:24] uh are accounting for their uh inflation

[4:28:27] and cost of living rise and you also

[4:28:30] have a stipen in this department for

[4:28:33] 10,000 8,000 over here for this

[4:28:36] department. What I'm saying is that you take that number and shrink it to

[4:28:41] the very extreme situations where we

[4:28:43] need people and we could talk about what

[4:28:45] that number is. And I think that we have

[4:28:46] a one line for that because we have some

[4:28:49] departments that have statements for

[4:28:51] $8,000. Some departments that have no

[4:28:53] statements, some managers requesting a

[4:28:55] 12% raise, some managers uh requesting a

[4:28:58] 3% raise. So So what I'm saying instead,

[4:29:01] and I know Mr. Mut was saying, you know,

[4:29:04] no raises right now, you know, based on

[4:29:06] the situation we're in, and I understand

[4:29:08] his logic. I'm saying that I'm willing

[4:29:10] to say we need to give people a raise so

[4:29:13] quickly so they can have their their in

[4:29:15] cost of living increase raised but

[4:29:17] that's it. Just for some input reason

[4:29:19] why some reason increase their certain

[4:29:22] percentage because there's union members

[4:29:24] that are making more than

[4:29:25] >> I understand no individuals probably not

[4:29:29] going to stay with the city member on

[4:29:31] that is making more I I understand that

[4:29:35] but this is what we this is what's in

[4:29:38] our right now if I could have go into

[4:29:41] union negotiations and do it then maybe

[4:29:44] but this right now we're not working

[4:29:46] with that. That's why when we always

[4:29:48] identify, oh, why is this person getting

[4:29:50] that? They say, oh, it's contractual. We

[4:29:51] go, okay, moving on. Cuz we understand

[4:29:53] that that right now is not within our

[4:29:54] curve. That's been a negotiated

[4:29:56] contract. We can't go back in and do

[4:29:58] that. What I'm saying is that instead of

[4:30:00] saying no one gets a raise, everyone

[4:30:02] gets the same raise at 3% due to the

[4:30:05] place that we're in. That's what I'm

[4:30:07] saying.

[4:30:10] Without the discretion of the mayor, I

[4:30:13] was distributed.

[4:30:15] 3% raise across.

[4:30:16] >> No, no, no. I'm talking about the

[4:30:18] 10,000, you know, the pool of money. How

[4:30:20] would that be?

[4:30:21] >> Well, I think that there's going to

[4:30:22] there's there's some variables there. I

[4:30:23] said 10,000. Maybe it's going to be

[4:30:25] more, right? And maybe the mayor when

[4:30:28] the mayor maybe the mayor works with us

[4:30:29] and say, well, this position,

[4:30:32] you know, is the 911. Oh my goodness.

[4:30:35] Coming in for this position, but this

[4:30:37] position people just usually come and

[4:30:39] present to city council. So if you're

[4:30:40] just coming to present to city council

[4:30:42] in that case then you can flex your time

[4:30:44] the next day but then you know then make

[4:30:46] sure that you know then it would be a

[4:30:48] operational thing but I'm just not okay

[4:30:51] with not giving anybody any risks.

[4:30:54] >> I I just want to say when my son-in-law

[4:30:55] work for those I mean they go out on any

[4:30:57] fire and that goes in there and you know

[4:30:59] to expect it like the mayor said the

[4:31:01] other night you know I want somebody

[4:31:02] who's going to get get up put their coat

[4:31:04] on. We have a water main break 2 3 in

[4:31:06] the morning. So there are certain

[4:31:08] departments that I I think deserve

[4:31:10] respitement.

[4:31:11] >> Um and again under those guidelines I

[4:31:14] mean I can't take away city clerks

[4:31:16] because um I mean she does they do go

[4:31:19] above and beyond uh 24 hours a day when

[4:31:22] needed um because of New York state laws

[4:31:25] but has has to be there. But those those

[4:31:27] I think you'll need to remain in those

[4:31:30] departments. But that's just me. We'll

[4:31:32] talk about it. Yeah, that's what it's a

[4:31:34] proposal from everyone. That's what

[4:31:36] we're getting here. So, I'm going to Mr.

[4:31:40] William sent his recommendation. So, can

[4:31:43] you please take that email and

[4:31:44] incorporate it into the proposal?

[4:31:47] >> 5.2. You're saying 10K for

[4:31:51] >> 10K is just a number that's out there.

[4:31:54] It's extremely

[4:31:57] between each fund. We imagine like

[4:32:00] water, sewer, golf

[4:32:02] >> in general. So you would have to have

[4:32:04] thought maybe I don't know 10 10 10

[4:32:06] >> So maybe the number would be this number

[4:32:09] you're just saying has to be divided

[4:32:10] across departments, right? That's what

[4:32:12] you're saying.

[4:32:12] >> Depends how many more managements or

[4:32:15] bunch of other I don't know how that

[4:32:18] >> Okay. I I think that would just from

[4:32:20] input if we could look at what disciples

[4:32:23] have been spent

[4:32:24] in previous years the same way we use

[4:32:27] this historical data to make our

[4:32:29] projections now I think that that

[4:32:30] wouldn't be any different here.

[4:32:34] » Yeah, I'm happy with that. So let's just

[4:32:38] back up here. So Mr. William

[4:32:40] recommendation please incorporate that

[4:32:41] into the proposal the council proposal

[4:32:44] and if there's any clarification needed

[4:32:45] we can reach out to Mr. William.

[4:32:57] I'm sorry. I didn't hear you.

[4:32:59] >> So, just so we have better clarification

[4:33:00] how to put this in uh format that we

[4:33:03] understand.

[4:33:04] >> Sure.

[4:33:05] >> You want to take a look at general water

[4:33:07] and have all the statements in the

[4:33:08] general fund

[4:33:10] >> with that in order.

[4:33:13] What I'm looking for is we could look at

[4:33:15] the historical data of like so the last

[4:33:17] 3 years what lines have been you know

[4:33:20] how much money have been spent drawn

[4:33:22] down from the stipens and what

[4:33:23] department I think that that will better

[4:33:25] help inform

[4:33:27] what that number should look like and

[4:33:29] how we could do it and and are we and I

[4:33:32] guess yeah we would be required to be

[4:33:34] ahead.

[4:33:38] » Yeah.

[4:33:40] So we have the email from Mr. Williams

[4:33:42] and we're going to add that into the

[4:33:44] proposal.

[4:33:48] » Mr. Williams,

[4:33:49] >> he sent his own secret

[4:33:52] for that.

[4:33:53] >> Okay. I want to make sure that we we

[4:33:56] accept this. Um any emails from anybody

[4:34:00] else?

[4:34:02] No. Um

[4:34:06] I'm thinking I just sent an email in

[4:34:08] terms of the um I think that um

[4:34:12] My my recommendation is to um

[4:34:15] to continue we make a recommendation to

[4:34:18] support the mayor's um support mayor's

[4:34:21] um hiring phrase into 2026

[4:34:25] and also any new hire that is not grant

[4:34:28] funded we should also put that out on

[4:34:32] hold and revisit um into next year. So I

[4:34:35] will make that recommendation

[4:34:38] that whatever victory we have with the

[4:34:40] SL central or grand bonded we should

[4:34:42] continue to hold it hiring for you for

[4:34:45] that as the mayor had this year and into

[4:34:49] next year and all new hires

[4:34:54] funding and not

[4:35:00] yes that is my um Uh,

[4:35:05] >> it's all working now.

[4:35:07] >> Yeah. So, I really need to go through

[4:35:09] this. Um, and I'm too tired right now to

[4:35:11] do it, but given the information that we

[4:35:13] learned tonight, I will try to do some

[4:35:15] recommendations before Friday. Um, I'm

[4:35:18] happy to just look at what you all just

[4:35:19] did and I'll, you know, when we get the

[4:35:23] Excel spreadsheet back, um, with the the

[4:35:25] proposed city council changes, I will I

[4:35:28] will look at those.

[4:35:29] >> Are we going to have to revisit it right

[4:35:30] now? No, I'm going to just work off that

[4:35:32] document because I just I just can't I

[4:35:35] know. I just I just I'd have to go

[4:35:37] through my my way of thinking is I'd

[4:35:40] have to like look at everything. So, I

[4:35:41] want to look at everything that you all

[4:35:43] just said. I do want to say that I

[4:35:45] completely agree with you that I want to

[4:35:47] support the hiring freeze. Everything

[4:35:49] that you just said would be things that

[4:35:51] I would support as well for you to learn

[4:35:53] that I think the hiring freeze needs to

[4:35:55] stay in place. I don't think that we

[4:35:57] should be, you know, I think we need to

[4:36:00] not necessarily do the new buyers. Um,

[4:36:04] so I'm I'm right with you on that.

[4:36:06] >> Miss Michael, um, we're not going to

[4:36:08] have a budget Friday. So, can we put a

[4:36:11] um a notice out to capture someday next

[4:36:14] week because I was expecting us to

[4:36:16] present our proposal today so that we

[4:36:18] give it to the commissioner of finance

[4:36:20] so he can present to us Friday from the

[4:36:22] time we arrive at 5:30. We're going to

[4:36:25] start go through all proposals side by

[4:36:27] side and say okay here are we are you in

[4:36:30] agreement with John are you agreement

[4:36:32] with Mr. Toro we can't start debate and

[4:36:35] say you know what I agree with Mr. to

[4:36:38] Don, we're not agreeing with you and

[4:36:40] let's move forward. Now, we're going to

[4:36:41] have to go now. We're going to have to

[4:36:42] go through that the entire budget again

[4:36:45] to for your proposal.

[4:36:49] >> That's not what I'm saying. That's not

[4:36:51] what I'm saying. I'm going to hear what

[4:36:53] all of you all had to say. I'm going to

[4:36:55] just I mean, in other words, what you're

[4:36:57] saying is that they're not they're going

[4:36:59] to have to give us back a document on

[4:37:01] Friday that has what you suggested, what

[4:37:05] >> everyone suggested. All five of us

[4:37:07] except

[4:37:09] >> Okay. I thought we were going to see

[4:37:10] something on Friday incorporating all of

[4:37:13] the I I don't know. I mean, I guess

[4:37:15] >> you could send it in if you needed to.

[4:37:17] >> I I could, but I'm just saying I'm happy

[4:37:20] to review just based on what this

[4:37:22] conversation was tonight. I mean the I I

[4:37:24] really do feel I do support the hiring

[4:37:27] free. I can give you a couple of general

[4:37:28] comments, but I do want to look back at

[4:37:31] everything we just discussed.

[4:37:33] >> I mean, I thought you were making notes.

[4:37:35] >> I was if you want I can go through it

[4:37:37] right now. If you all want to stay, I'll

[4:37:39] just do it right now and we'll get my

[4:37:41] notes that I was taking while I'm

[4:37:43] sitting here. So, let's see. I would um

[4:37:47] if you want to start right on page um

[4:37:50] eight

[4:37:52] um

[4:37:55] I don't think I want to change the

[4:37:57] allowance. Are we still I don't want to

[4:37:59] change the allowance for collected

[4:38:01] uncollected taxes because I think that

[4:38:03] um I'd have to go back through my

[4:38:05] paperwork, but I believe that the

[4:38:06] recommendation from the finance

[4:38:08] commissioner was that that figure 2850

[4:38:11] is probably too low. So, I would stay

[4:38:14] there for that. Um, in terms of the,

[4:38:20] um,

[4:38:22] cannabis one, um,

[4:38:28] I would be okay with, um, I'm look I'm

[4:38:32] trying to I have to go back and look at

[4:38:33] the, um, maybe if you like take some

[4:38:36] maybe start with John's email, both of

[4:38:38] those lines. Excuse me.

[4:38:40] >> It might help just for you to reference.

[4:38:42] >> Well, thanks. I hear what you're saying.

[4:38:44] >> Yeah. Yeah, that was the document I was

[4:38:46] looking at was John's John's document

[4:38:48] because that was the only one that he

[4:38:49] had, I believe, in advance of coming in.

[4:38:53] Um,

[4:38:56] yeah, I'd be okay with doing the 150 up

[4:38:59] in the cannabis. Um,

[4:39:03] I have to find John's email again.

[4:39:09] Here's

[4:39:18] the Here's John.

[4:39:25] was increasing cannabis by

[4:39:27] $300,000. I believe

[4:39:30] um

[4:39:36] on that one

[4:39:38] John was going to a million, Dorine's

[4:39:40] going to 800,000. Demani was going to

[4:39:43] 850 and Miriam was going to 850. Um I

[4:39:47] will say

[4:39:49] um 850.

[4:39:52] So that is A116.

[4:39:56] >> Question. I think it it's just it

[4:39:58] doesn't matter what we were doing. So

[4:40:00] I'm just listening but I was listening

[4:40:02] to all of you and listening to the

[4:40:03] arguments. I listened to the police.

[4:40:05] >> Absolutely.

[4:40:06] >> This is this is not about any of us.

[4:40:08] >> No,

[4:40:10] I know. I'm making my own I am making my

[4:40:12] own I think I just I kind of process

[4:40:17] differently.

[4:40:18] >> So you're making a decision based on all

[4:40:19] the information that you heard.

[4:40:21] >> I am I am.

[4:40:22] >> So that's what I was saying. I think

[4:40:24] that it's not too much for you to take

[4:40:26] that and go through it and then send it

[4:40:28] in. We would have it if you send it to

[4:40:30] Sam and then that would be easier.

[4:40:32] >> I can do it tomorrow.

[4:40:34] >> I definitely couldn't do it when I go

[4:40:35] home now.

[4:40:35] >> Right.

[4:40:36] >> Um but I can actually I mean I do I

[4:40:38] agree with what Mr. Mutter is saying. I

[4:40:41] will say I came in here tonight to say

[4:40:44] yeah same thing. Hiring freeze needs to

[4:40:46] continue. Um, I don't think we should be

[4:40:49] necessarily filling vacant vacancies

[4:40:52] um or adding new positions, but again, I

[4:40:54] want to make sure that I'm, you know,

[4:40:56] looking across the board at those. I

[4:40:58] think that's what you just said, right,

[4:40:59] Mr. Munar? Um, so I kind of agree with

[4:41:02] that one. Um, there's one other place

[4:41:06] where I wrote a note that I would

[4:41:07] suggest.

[4:41:09] Oh, there was one. Oh, yeah, the bus

[4:41:11] patrol. I really want to stay with the

[4:41:12] 400,000 on the bus patrol. So that is

[4:41:16] line 2610.

[4:41:20] I think we should stick with the 400,000

[4:41:22] there.

[4:41:24] So I have a question regarding that. So you're not taking into into

[4:41:29] consideration the $600,000

[4:41:31] that is not that outstanding revenue

[4:41:34] that they didn't account for in the

[4:41:37] budget. that we hired from the chiefs

[4:41:39] and ask

[4:41:40] >> well I asked I asked them I actually

[4:41:42] asked the question tonight whether they

[4:41:44] thought the 400,000 was realistic and

[4:41:46] they I wrote myself a note actually they

[4:41:48] said yes the 400,000 was the realistic

[4:41:50] number

[4:41:51] >> but it does not factor in the

[4:41:52] outstanding

[4:41:55] >> okay so these you want to have these

[4:41:57] discussions now instead of Friday

[4:41:59] >> you're making a recommendation just like

[4:42:00] when we were making re I'm going to

[4:42:02] stick with the four I'm yes I'm going to

[4:42:05] stick with the 400,000

[4:42:07] on that one. Um,

[4:42:18] I'm sorry. I have to put in my other

[4:42:19] notes that I took tonight and look back

[4:42:22] at them.

[4:42:24] >> Sorry about this.

[4:42:25] >> No, you don't got to be sorry about it.

[4:42:26] And if you need to take the night to

[4:42:28] tomorrow, tomorrow morning to do it, you

[4:42:29] can do that. Just like do that. There's

[4:42:31] nothing wrong.

[4:42:32] >> And I I feel like like like we're

[4:42:34] forcing you to go do it. You said that

[4:42:36] you didn't want to do it.

[4:42:37] >> You get up in the morning to go through

[4:42:38] your notes and email out right away to

[4:42:40] Sam and Derek.

[4:42:42] >> With a fresh mind, I kind of understand

[4:42:44] that.

[4:42:44] >> We'll all be on the same.

[4:42:46] >> Okay. All right. And that's

[4:42:47] >> I might add some stuff tomorrow, too.

[4:42:49] Don't worry. We're in it together.

[4:42:50] >> I mean, believe me, on Friday, I get to

[4:42:53] see and and actually we will see this

[4:42:55] document before we come here at 5:30 on

[4:42:57] Friday. Right.

[4:42:59] >> Tomorrow's only Thursday,

[4:43:00] >> right? So, we'll get it we'll get it in

[4:43:02] time to review that document before we

[4:43:04] come here.

[4:43:04] >> Can you please to email

[4:43:08] that if if I may the document is going

[4:43:11] to be available to us when all of us

[4:43:13] submit our proposal. If you do not have

[4:43:15] any proposal

[4:43:17] then the document is going to be

[4:43:19] available just I just want to look over

[4:43:21] all my notes from tonight. I am not

[4:43:23] going to have the finance commissioner

[4:43:24] send out a document and then we are

[4:43:27] still in the process of submitting your

[4:43:28] own.

[4:43:29] >> No, no. What I'm saying is as long as

[4:43:31] I'm going to get him my stuff as soon as

[4:43:33] I can tomorrow morning and then I'm just

[4:43:35] asking if we could get it back in enough

[4:43:37] time to look through that document

[4:43:39] before we come back here on 5:30 on on

[4:43:42] Friday.

[4:43:42] >> Is that is that the plan that we have it

[4:43:45] before we come back on?

[4:43:47] >> Well, we have never done that before.

[4:43:49] >> Oh, we've just come and sat and looked

[4:43:51] at it. We present a proposal. We allow

[4:43:53] them to to do their changes. They add

[4:43:55] the column do every bring these this

[4:43:58] information to us and then we can kind

[4:44:00] of like start. Okay.

[4:44:01] >> Okay.

[4:44:02] >> Here is here is um cannabis

[4:44:05] one is saying a million one is saying

[4:44:06] 800. Where do we stand on this? Do we

[4:44:08] have a consensus? Do we have an

[4:44:10] agreement? Where do we the finance

[4:44:12] committee will have to make a

[4:44:13] recommendation and what do we do with

[4:44:15] that on that line? That's how we decided

[4:44:17] to do it.

[4:44:17] >> I guess so we better add the other

[4:44:20] night. We we have to add an additional

[4:44:22] Friday.

[4:44:23] >> If we don't push these things on and we

[4:44:26] keep dragging them on into next day,

[4:44:29] >> we've been doing that for the last

[4:44:30] couple days. We're going to end up into

[4:44:32] next week. And I was about to ask, I

[4:44:34] need some availability next week or this

[4:44:37] weekend.

[4:44:38] >> Monday.

[4:44:39] >> I'm What time is that?

[4:44:43] >> But so, but Mr. I do have to ask this

[4:44:46] question.

[4:44:48] What uh what Mr. Mukam is going to do? I

[4:44:52] say 850 for candidates. You say your

[4:44:54] name. So what is he really going to put

[4:44:57] in his documentation? Is he just going

[4:44:59] to list all of our stuff separately? You

[4:45:01] know, it can't be like when down the

[4:45:04] hall because we came here with saying

[4:45:08] Friday we can't have it run into the

[4:45:09] office. So we have to get our

[4:45:11] recommendation in before before 5:30. Do

[4:45:14] you want me to create a summary sheet

[4:45:16] like this for each individual

[4:45:18] >> for each individual?

[4:45:20] >> So you have it's going to be a summer.

[4:45:22] It's not going to be the fall,

[4:45:23] >> right?

[4:45:24] >> Just the changes.

[4:45:26] >> Each person's changes and we still I'm

[4:45:28] sorry. We still have one touch that

[4:45:32] comfortable for you just on one sheet.

[4:45:35] >> Well,

[4:45:37] all all six of us. I would probably

[4:45:39] recommend doing six different sheets

[4:45:42] and and also the percentage of the tax

[4:45:45] increase up or down based on those

[4:45:48] recommendations on each one.

[4:45:50] >> The totals then then how much is that?

[4:45:54] >> That's right.

[4:45:55] >> Reducing the rate

[4:45:57] >> by based on those revenues on each one.

[4:45:59] So everybody can take a look and compare

[4:46:02] >> which column is working and which isn't

[4:46:05] and where there's consensus and what

[4:46:07] impact that has. So that's my

[4:46:09] recommendation is that's a calculator.

[4:46:11] >> I think that makes sense. So if you want

[4:46:12] to pass around a brief thing um summary

[4:46:15] from what we have there provided earlier

[4:46:19] um just to get an idea that's

[4:46:22] all the council members to

[4:46:28] » so then we still will have to come back

[4:46:30] together because then at least my memory

[4:46:32] is that we will see uh this document

[4:46:37] right it'll look like this again

[4:46:39] >> this is just you

[4:46:40] >> but it'll be like proposed council,

[4:46:44] >> right? And then that's where we start to

[4:46:46] really talk to each other and figure out

[4:46:48] >> well that's not what he's planning

[4:46:51] to say.

[4:46:53] >> Go ahead,

[4:46:54] >> Mr. Cathar.

[4:46:57] So it'll be six sheets,

[4:47:00] >> right?

[4:47:01] >> We kind of have Mr. Williams's cuz he

[4:47:03] did it that way.

[4:47:04] >> And then we'll go by line. This is what

[4:47:06] people are reporting. Um, then we'll

[4:47:08] have negotiations and then we'll all

[4:47:10] agree on that line. Then we'll move to

[4:47:12] the next line and we'll do that.

[4:47:13] >> And we didn't make changes. I mean, you

[4:47:15] guys only made changes to I'm going to

[4:47:17] say I'm guessing like six or seven lines

[4:47:19] all told.

[4:47:21] >> I don't think it's super significant.

[4:47:22] But what we didn't do tonight

[4:47:25] >> as far as I'm concerned about whether we

[4:47:27] changing the expenses down

[4:47:29] >> I mean I did a little bit

[4:47:32] Mr. Williams did too

[4:47:35] >> for councilman. He said one email

[4:47:39] suggested to reduce management salaries.

[4:47:43] >> Excuse me.

[4:47:46] >> No, I asked for

[4:47:48] >> Okay. There was an email saying no

[4:47:50] management salary.

[4:47:51] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was my that

[4:47:52] was my suggestion.

[4:47:53] >> Okay. So, I would have to add I don't

[4:47:57] know 50 something lines for management.

[4:48:00] No, just everything

[4:48:03] just like that.

[4:48:04] >> Yeah, that's a basic number there.

[4:48:06] >> We would have to know each line how to

[4:48:09] reduce it or keep the same.

[4:48:11] >> Yeah, that's when we go to

[4:48:13] >> So that's that's management line. So 50

[4:48:16] different lines for the management

[4:48:18] >> salary. So you have to

[4:48:22] roll back. I don't know if he did that.

[4:48:25] >> I think he already did it once. So now

[4:48:27] he would just take the changes and do it

[4:48:29] again.

[4:48:30] >> Well, it was only the only people that

[4:48:33] talked about that thing. I think it was

[4:48:34] John himself. John was was at

[4:48:38] >> you know I came prepared.

[4:48:39] >> Right. That's what I'm saying.

[4:48:40] >> And I wanted to move this budget

[4:48:42] forward. That's why I said to be move

[4:48:44] forward. If not, we're going to have to

[4:48:46] go into the next week or this weekend

[4:48:48] when I am going to have to discuss the

[4:48:49] new availability because we're going to

[4:48:52] come in Friday here and we're going to

[4:48:53] still talking about we're going to still

[4:48:54] be talking about revenue. We're going to

[4:48:56] still be talking about

[4:48:58] >> No, we did that. She missed that.

[4:49:01] >> Yeah.

[4:49:03] Some of us did talk about expenditure.

[4:49:06] >> None of us did

[4:49:07] >> expenditures. Yes. But revenue we did.

[4:49:09] >> Yes, we did. teach you session.

[4:49:11] >> We touch on revenue. What about

[4:49:14] >> Well, we could either do it now, but I

[4:49:16] think many of us are tired or we do that

[4:49:19] on Friday.

[4:49:20] >> I gave my

[4:49:21] >> Well, that's what's going to have to

[4:49:23] roll into another day because we're

[4:49:24] going to have to send it.

[4:49:25] >> I kind of came in here thinking that we

[4:49:27] were going to have to have another day

[4:49:28] because I I mean, first of all, when

[4:49:30] already just talking about the revenue,

[4:49:32] I think it's like 10:00 at night.

[4:49:36] >> 10:30

[4:49:38] 10:19. Um, so we still I mean I kind of

[4:49:42] already cleared some stuff from my

[4:49:43] schedule next week cuz I figured we were

[4:49:45] going to have to go into next week. I

[4:49:47] mean even based on our conversation last

[4:49:49] night. I mean I just thought that we

[4:49:50] were going to have to have

[4:49:52] >> some more days. I think what we need to

[4:49:54] say tonight is everybody needs to get

[4:49:56] their expenditures in. They didn't have

[4:49:58] them tonight

[4:50:00] by tomorrow. I mean and then he'd have

[4:50:02] everything to present to put together

[4:50:04] for Friday. It's not even an option. I

[4:50:06] had mine but what I understood us to do

[4:50:08] that when we're going around the table

[4:50:09] for revenue right I'm going to make

[4:50:10] another right for expenditure

[4:50:13] >> and then the second circle didn't happen

[4:50:16] >> right I mean I could sit here for like

[4:50:19] 10 minutes and probably you know write

[4:50:20] down all my thing isn't that I mean I

[4:50:22] feel like some of that you guys were

[4:50:24] also kind of making changes and thinking

[4:50:26] about it because of what we tonight

[4:50:28] >> yeah I mean so I sent in my revenue

[4:50:30] increases and my expenditures in your

[4:50:33] email earlier today

[4:50:35] But we got it.

[4:50:41] I was very clear yesterday evening with

[4:50:42] you. So please sent in your

[4:50:45] recommendation,

[4:50:47] >> right? And I'm sorry that I did not also

[4:50:49] wanted to hear the addition that

[4:50:52] happened.

[4:50:54] >> Um I'm glad that the others uh sended

[4:50:56] their recommendation. One recommendation

[4:50:58] I also had was the fees for service.

[4:51:02] the fees for sorry M Derek.

[4:51:05] >> Yes. Yes.

[4:51:06] >> Uh I would I will my recommendation is

[4:51:09] to also pull a high level uh report of

[4:51:13] how much we spending towards treats for

[4:51:15] service across all department

[4:51:18] >> and my uh my recommendation was to um

[4:51:22] well for us to consider this is my

[4:51:25] proposal as my proposal. I want to be

[4:51:27] very clear with people.

[4:51:29] >> Yes. These are all we're saying here is

[4:51:31] our proposal.

[4:51:32] >> So to kind of lower that by 10% across

[4:51:35] the board, but that's one of my

[4:51:36] recommendation that it should be added

[4:51:38] as a cost reduction.

[4:51:40] And that's the mail that was sent to the

[4:51:42] and everybody was copied on that.

[4:51:44] >> And

[4:51:46] this is the services.

[4:51:52] » I think you have something you want to

[4:51:54] add. Yeah, you have to say something

[4:51:56] about the local law.

[4:51:58] >> I'll be your pardon.

[4:51:58] >> The local law we go regarding the

[4:52:01] override

[4:52:02] >> of the tax.

[4:52:03] >> Oh, good.

[4:52:05] >> Oh, you want to talk about that?

[4:52:06] >> Yeah. Based on

[4:52:10] >> you know that falls into

[4:52:17] proposals

[4:52:19] budget carried $2.6 $6 million in peace facilities that don't also include

[4:52:27] training.

[4:52:28] >> These are extras, I guess. Yes.

[4:52:30] >> Okay.

[4:52:31] >> I'm sorry. Could you repeat that, Mr. M?

[4:52:36] You just got

[4:52:36] >> I didn't hear what you're saying cuz I

[4:52:38] was like

[4:52:38] >> this document

[4:52:41] >> is for fees for service and also

[4:52:43] training.

[4:52:44] >> Oh, that's good because that is the

[4:52:45] other thing that

[4:52:46] >> it's $2.6 million.

[4:52:50] That was one of the things that I think

[4:52:51] I mentioned to you.

[4:52:53] >> We did talk about this last training.

[4:52:54] Yeah,

[4:52:54] >> the training. So my recommendation is

[4:52:56] that based on this I would like to see

[4:52:58] uh my recommendation a 10% reduction

[4:53:01] across

[4:53:03] >> 10%

[4:53:04] reduction in these lines each department

[4:53:07] >> all together%

[4:53:09] >> that's my recommendation. It's my

[4:53:11] recommendation.

[4:53:12] I mean just before you do that

[4:53:16] department come in and talk about that

[4:53:20] >> we already reduce them drastically.

[4:53:22] >> I mean I think we took notes from every

[4:53:24] department

[4:53:25] >> not contractual but the agreements in

[4:53:26] place where

[4:53:28] >> we can't just do it

[4:53:29] >> you can't just cut it in

[4:53:32] I would recommend that if you really

[4:53:33] wanted to entertaining increasing it

[4:53:35] even further. I do see um like there's

[4:53:40] been I see the first um A1010 404 that

[4:53:44] was actually more than half but you see

[4:53:47] what you're talking about. However, um

[4:53:49] if I jump to the very next one and I

[4:53:51] don't know which department these are

[4:53:53] A134

[4:53:55] the exact same amount. So some have been

[4:53:58] reduced um considerably and others have

[4:54:01] remained the same. So do we um only ask

[4:54:06] the people who's if we must do this do

[4:54:09] we only ask the people who's remain the

[4:54:10] same when we talk about cutting in

[4:54:13] another 10% like this is rema

[4:54:20] Finance and we usually keep that the

[4:54:23] same that's most of the audit services

[4:54:26] that the annual audit and there's other

[4:54:29] u that you have no you

[4:54:33] what it is.

[4:54:33] >> And there's 13 35 148 didn't change.

[4:54:38] >> So, some of these didn't change.

[4:54:40] >> Um, a lot of them seem like they really

[4:54:42] didn't change and this one was

[4:54:44] significantly. I don't know what they

[4:54:45] are. So, I have to go back and I believe

[4:54:49] one that was

[4:54:52] discussed

[4:54:54] and he have been consolidating some of

[4:54:56] that from other departments. That's why

[4:55:00] I follow

[4:55:07] look at the report and can we have this

[4:55:10] >> because I asked for the report

[4:55:14] here.

[4:55:14] >> Okay. Can we get this electronic please?

[4:55:17] Thank you.

[4:55:20] >> Is there anything that would help you

[4:55:21] digest the stock a little further

[4:55:23] because you just see numbers for

[4:55:25] services. I'm going to go back look at

[4:55:28] the number and then I'm going to look at

[4:55:30] this and then I'm going to look at my

[4:55:32] notes from the term both presentations

[4:55:36] and that will help me decide whether we

[4:55:39] can or cannot reduce these based on what

[4:55:42] the line is right everybody

[4:55:44] >> I mean I can just refer to the budget if

[4:55:46] it's if it's nothing

[4:55:49] there'll

[4:55:50] [Music]

[4:55:55] and he said that he doesn't have to put

[4:55:57] it in. It'll just fit a bill so he can

[4:56:00] go. All right, let me just take a pause

[4:56:02] for a minute on the um call brief.

[4:56:08] I forget. Okay. Um briefly, um you've

[4:56:13] got the draft ordinance, budget

[4:56:15] ordinance looks the same as in the past

[4:56:17] years. It's a matter of filling in the

[4:56:19] amounts. What changes is the proposed

[4:56:21] tax cap override the tax cap. The state

[4:56:24] law mandates that you pass a local law

[4:56:27] authorizing the tax cap

[4:56:30] override.

[4:56:31] >> There's certain procedures. Procedures

[4:56:34] are that we I've given you the draft.

[4:56:37] This is modeled on other cities that

[4:56:38] have done this the legislation.

[4:56:43] If for example you're planning on

[4:56:45] passing the budget on Monday night and

[4:56:47] the regular council you have to ask for

[4:56:49] unanimous consent because you're not

[4:56:51] going to be at least vote on it because

[4:56:53] it's going to be majestically funded

[4:56:55] prior after tomorrow

[4:56:58] that the on a local law as we went

[4:57:01] through the other local law earlier this

[4:57:03] year has to be on the desk for 7 days.

[4:57:07] Mayor, the mayor can ask for message of

[4:57:10] necessity which is a letter to the

[4:57:12] council saying that that the the uh

[4:57:16] requirement from the the uh statute or

[4:57:19] wave that you you introduce it and vote

[4:57:22] it on the same night. The proposed

[4:57:25] legislation is before you. It is the

[4:57:27] intent of the of this local law to uh

[4:57:31] permit but not require the city of

[4:57:32] Skenquity the go of the tax cap. So

[4:57:38] bottom line, this local law, it's got to

[4:57:41] be passed prior to adopting the budget.

[4:57:44] The mayor must send you message of

[4:57:47] assessed the first plan on Monday night

[4:57:50] hearing. Um that means local be

[4:57:54] introduced and voted upon that same

[4:57:56] night and the budget would be adopted

[4:57:59] that same day. And the alternative if

[4:58:02] you're what I am recommending this local

[4:58:05] law introduced and be voted on on Monday

[4:58:08] night. If the budget ordinance needs to

[4:58:10] be take a few days to pass that you have

[4:58:14] the local law pass

[4:58:17] and it's below the tax cap. It's below

[4:58:21] the tax cap. It's above the tax cap. The

[4:58:24] local law is in place. That's what um

[4:58:27] the the the calculations that the

[4:58:29] finance department are going to do, the

[4:58:31] finance commissioner are going to look

[4:58:34] at you're going to see what what how

[4:58:36] that impacts the tax cap. There's a

[4:58:38] formula under the general municipal law

[4:58:40] that the finance commissioner looks at

[4:58:42] based on

[4:58:44] the rates and tax base etc. the city of

[4:58:49] Connecticut. It's all out laid out in

[4:58:50] the general municipal law. E based on

[4:58:54] the numbers that you've come to can look

[4:58:56] at that formula and then say oh this is

[4:58:59] these these you're above or below the

[4:59:02] tax cap.

[4:59:05] So, um, what I'm suggesting is that as

[4:59:09] we go through this process, you know,

[4:59:10] Friday, that Mon or Saturday, um, that

[4:59:15] at the very least the finance committee

[4:59:17] votes out of committee that this local

[4:59:19] law be introduced and voted upon. So, at

[4:59:23] least you have that. Now, advice this

[4:59:25] weekend, you may know that you may be

[4:59:27] below that tax cap and you wouldn't have

[4:59:29] to worry about that. But if if it's not

[4:59:33] getting to where you want to go, you

[4:59:36] should have that local law squared away.

[4:59:38] It does. The local doesn't commit to it

[4:59:41] and just allows to

[4:59:42] >> Can we understand? You know,

[4:59:44] >> can we vote on that tonight so that we

[4:59:47] can get it onto the agenda for

[4:59:49] council meeting? This is a committee

[4:59:50] meeting,

[4:59:51] >> but this is a committee meeting. What I

[4:59:53] No, no. But I recommend that you hold

[4:59:55] off on voting the local committee until

[4:59:58] you get further information and numbers

[5:00:01] from the finance department.

[5:00:02] >> No, we're not voting on anything

[5:00:04] tonight.

[5:00:07] » And that's that's all I have.

[5:00:09] >> That's question.

[5:00:11] Would you please when you find the uh

[5:00:14] the originating documents for the fund

[5:00:17] for the golf fund, could you for those

[5:00:19] over to me, please?

[5:00:20] >> Yes.

[5:00:20] >> Thank you, sir. We'll look at the

[5:00:21] ordinance and I got to talk to the

[5:00:23] finance commission. I just like to see

[5:00:26] what

[5:00:28] >> and just you gave some recommendations

[5:00:32] on how excuse me should provide

[5:00:36] information from the set of

[5:00:38] individually. So it was individual

[5:00:40] sheets for each person with our

[5:00:41] recommendations and then you said

[5:00:43] something else

[5:00:44] >> and how those you know each one of those

[5:00:46] additions that you've made or deletions

[5:00:49] that you've made how with the total

[5:00:52] numbers how that would impact the tax

[5:00:55] rate based on each one of those those

[5:00:58] columns but then they have to give him

[5:01:00] what we would be willing to I don't

[5:01:02] think he talked everyone talked about

[5:01:03] what we will be willing to take out of

[5:01:05] our reserve

[5:01:07] >> the expenses we didn't do expenses

[5:01:11] But we can can I just say couldn't that

[5:01:13] be um the six of us our things could be

[5:01:17] on one spreadsheet so we see across the

[5:01:20] you know what I mean like it might be

[5:01:22] that

[5:01:24] >> five of the six of us have the same

[5:01:26] exact

[5:01:27] if we see it all in one spreadsheet

[5:01:29] across the board we might all have the

[5:01:31] same

[5:01:32] >> things I mean can you do that if we

[5:01:34] >> we'll take a look and see if it's easy

[5:01:37] on the

[5:01:38] Okay.

[5:01:40] >> On a legal sheet

[5:01:41] >> that on a legal sheet. That's what

[5:01:42] exactly.

[5:01:43] >> So we can go through line by line.

[5:01:46] So

[5:01:46] >> the column would be John Dorine.

[5:01:51] >> But yes, do it on one.

[5:01:53] >> If you can again

[5:01:56] notes, but just make sure we have

[5:01:58] everything on paper correct. Send an

[5:02:01] email. I don't

[5:02:03] >> I was about to say that.

[5:02:05] I'm going to remind you again in all of

[5:02:06] respect you please please please send in

[5:02:10] your proposal I do not want to come here

[5:02:13] Friday and you still have proposal

[5:02:16] I want to give the finance commissioner

[5:02:19] the the absolute time to go and revise

[5:02:23] their sheet and bring it back to us

[5:02:25] Friday

[5:02:26] >> right

[5:02:26] >> we should not be well we should put this

[5:02:29] in and we should put this in I'm giving

[5:02:31] yall enough time

[5:02:33] >> so to get that information in.

[5:02:35] >> So for expenses

[5:02:35] >> for this team to to expense revenue,

[5:02:39] expenditure in and out whatever you want

[5:02:41] to do. You want to add expenditure, you

[5:02:43] want to reduce expenditure, you want to

[5:02:46] increase revenue, you want to decrease

[5:02:47] revenue, please submit it. I'm going to

[5:02:50] reach out to Mr. Williams and ask him if

[5:02:52] he has anything more. And if he does,

[5:02:56] he's going to get an email and follow up

[5:02:58] with that stuff. So, I'm going to ask

[5:03:00] that the rest of us here to fight for

[5:03:02] us. Please get that

[5:03:05] >> if I you try to get that in one. Is that

[5:03:09] what you're looking for?

[5:03:09] >> I would just like one.

[5:03:14] >> No, not one sheet per person.

[5:03:17] >> Yes. One sheet. So, we can look at

[5:03:19] >> Yeah. But Derek wants us to give him one

[5:03:21] sheet. Is that what you're saying?

[5:03:24] >> John wants these revenues, these

[5:03:26] expenditures.

[5:03:28] 30s, these revenues, these expenditures.

[5:03:30] So I so I know exactly we wrote it down

[5:03:33] exactly everything

[5:03:37] has so you can follow the

[5:03:40] >> she doesn't have expenditures. She just

[5:03:42] says the revenue

[5:03:50] won't be able to separate that

[5:03:59] transfer financ So we know everything.

[5:04:06] » You're going to do it.

[5:04:09] >> We we were going through detail and we

[5:04:12] making sure that the commission of

[5:04:14] finance was taking notes and M was

[5:04:16] taking notes in terms of our

[5:04:17] recommendation one by one. Please

[5:04:21] >> clear that up or as he suggested email

[5:04:26] whatever additional.

[5:04:27] >> Yes, exactly. Just I just echo if you

[5:04:30] have additional expenditure in or out

[5:04:34] revenue in or out please email it and

[5:04:37] that will be added under your name under

[5:04:39] your t

[5:04:40] >> and I'm assuming there's no adjustments

[5:04:42] to any of the funds I said maybe golf

[5:04:45] depending on what uh we find uh

[5:04:50] I didn't hear anything

[5:04:54] I I did have one about the cus I'm

[5:04:56] wondering if we can buy fewer

[5:04:58] EV like maybe I'm overlooked. Yes, we

[5:05:02] purchased only six EV charger stations.

[5:05:05] Um only one rear loader. So it was

[5:05:07] because those were expense lines and we

[5:05:09] didn't get there. So I'll send them

[5:05:10] again.

[5:05:10] >> Can you please send that to

[5:05:12] >> and everyone on the the proposal please

[5:05:15] add it as a expenditure?

[5:05:17] >> Yep. And I have another expenditure but

[5:05:20] we again we never got there.

[5:05:21] >> Mr. Williams Mr. Williams was completed.

[5:05:25] >> Okay.

[5:05:25] >> Are we good tonight?

[5:05:26] >> Mhm. So more likely we'll have to meet

[5:05:28] again next week. So I don't know. I mean

[5:05:30] we have we have a they have a short

[5:05:32] meeting Monday

[5:05:35] city council meeting. So we can I can

[5:05:37] meet earlier and then later

[5:05:41] >> I haven't either probably I think we

[5:05:44] have to consider people that work during

[5:05:46] the day.

[5:05:48] >> Well we can do five Monday then break

[5:05:51] for recess and go back and come back

[5:05:53] because

[5:05:55] >> Yes. Cuz that was fun. You're right.

[5:06:00] » We we got we got

[5:06:02] >> Mr. Chairman, do you intend to have the budget pass in a special meeting or

[5:06:07] an adjourned meeting? If a special

[5:06:10] meeting has to be specially noticed,

[5:06:13] other words, we're just having business

[5:06:14] on on Monday,

[5:06:16] a special meeting

[5:06:18] >> by Thursday with a with a notice for

[5:06:21] next Thursday. Well,

[5:06:24] I'm glad you touched on that again. My

[5:06:25] intention was to have the budget up or

[5:06:27] down and see where we stand on Friday by

[5:06:29] having everybody propose a

[5:06:32] move forward with a high level

[5:06:34] discussion Friday and we see where we

[5:06:37] stand and then eventually if we all

[5:06:39] agree or with agreement majority

[5:06:41] agreement we move it out to committee

[5:06:44] and then we ask unanimous consent on on

[5:06:46] the floor for one day. But I don't know

[5:06:49] where we stand right now because we

[5:06:52] still have outstanding stuff to me. I

[5:06:56] favor to the finance team to give these

[5:06:59] top 10 at the last minute. I expect them

[5:07:02] to deliver a report to us.

[5:07:05] So I ask that you please please

[5:07:08] including myself. I have been very open

[5:07:10] about my emails. I copy everybody by

[5:07:12] email. Whatever my suggestion is, I ask

[5:07:15] you to do the same thing cuz if we don't

[5:07:17] if we if we come here Friday and we're

[5:07:20] going to have to I'm going to have to

[5:07:22] start making we're going to have to

[5:07:24] start reserved dates from from tonight

[5:07:26] or tomorrow

[5:07:28] into next week.

[5:07:29] >> We already have Friday schedule. So if

[5:07:31] we're going to do anything at home,

[5:07:32] we're going to have to schedule it

[5:07:33] >> because we have the trade we need three

[5:07:35] days.

[5:07:35] >> Can we can we do that right now? Can we

[5:07:38] suggest days right now? I'm going to be

[5:07:41] cancelling. I figured I was going to

[5:07:42] need next week. I am cancelling the

[5:07:44] housing uh task force for Tuesday. It's

[5:07:47] going to be later in November. I

[5:07:48] mentioned it to Sam, but I haven't had a

[5:07:50] chance to write that out yet. Um so we I

[5:07:53] was trying to free up a night and so I

[5:07:56] could do Saturday. I have to cancel

[5:07:58] something, but I can do Saturday. I can

[5:08:01] do Monday and I can do Tuesday.

[5:08:03] >> That's the day.

[5:08:06] I'll take Wednesday.

[5:08:09] >> So it's about to be Thursday.

[5:08:11] Well, there's going to be towards you

[5:08:13] next hour.

[5:08:14] >> So, we have Friday.

[5:08:17] >> So, I mean, are people able to Well, I

[5:08:19] know we have to ask Mr. Williams too,

[5:08:21] but

[5:08:25] » I I think we have, but that doesn't we

[5:08:28] have to accommodate. So, we have to be

[5:08:30] considerate of the final staff on

[5:08:32] Saturdays.

[5:08:33] >> Okay. Yes.

[5:08:38] So

[5:08:40] Monday and Monday Monday and Tuesday

[5:08:42] workbook folks

[5:08:43] >> whatever day we choose going forward now

[5:08:46] we need the final fee

[5:08:49] >> with us.

[5:08:50] >> Mhm.

[5:08:52] >> Why don't you schedule it for Saturday?

[5:08:54] That's 3 days and then I'll be available

[5:08:56] one day. Well, I think he's saying that

[5:08:58] he doesn't want to necessarily have the

[5:09:00] finan

[5:09:12] » any of those days. Yeah.

[5:09:15] >> I don't know get the call where you're

[5:09:18] >> I know.

[5:09:18] >> So, Friday, Monday, Tuesday. How about

[5:09:20] that you guys? We're always schedu

[5:09:29] and Tuesday.

[5:09:30] >> Do we want to meet Saturday?

[5:09:35] » We want to hear what you said.

[5:09:38] So

[5:09:40] first time we consider

[5:09:42] >> Monday 5 5:30

[5:09:45] >> Monday

[5:09:47] 5:30 and then we recess and we

[5:09:51] >> go to council meeting

[5:09:53] >> and then we'll reconvene right after

[5:09:55] that.

[5:09:56] >> Okay

[5:09:56] >> that meeting and continue

[5:10:00] >> if we happen to come to an agreement

[5:10:03] Friday then we just disregard those

[5:10:06] dates. question. Do we have to do a

[5:10:08] notice for Monday if we're in recess

[5:10:10] now? If we're just going to reconvene

[5:10:11] Monday prior to our 7 o'clock meeting,

[5:10:15] >> yeah, but we'll come in Friday anyway

[5:10:18] because we have to give a notice.

[5:10:20] >> We have to give public. This is being

[5:10:22] set apart from the council meeting. We

[5:10:24] have to give notice. I thought because

[5:10:26] we suspect

[5:10:28] >> and the thing the ordinance the budget

[5:10:30] ordinance in the local that has to

[5:10:32] already be on your agenda. You can

[5:10:34] adjourn the meeting to vote on those

[5:10:36] things, but they would have to be on the

[5:10:37] agenda already for the meeting that was

[5:10:39] announced.

[5:10:40] >> You can always have a special meeting on

[5:10:42] 3 days notice dealing with the budget

[5:10:45] and below the law if necessary.

[5:10:47] >> So, you're saying the warning is here

[5:10:49] for Monday's meeting.

[5:10:50] >> If you want to just do a

[5:10:53] >> as opposed to a new special meeting,

[5:10:55] >> but I I basically

[5:10:57] best let's see what happens on Friday.

[5:11:00] >> I agree with that.

[5:11:01] >> Yes. Good point. That's that's the

[5:11:04] point. So, next Monday city council

[5:11:08] meeting

[5:11:09] you recess.

[5:11:12] >> Well, let's see. Let's see what goes on

[5:11:13] Friday.

[5:11:14] >> But we need the 3 days, right? Don't we

[5:11:15] have to have three-day public notice?

[5:11:17] >> You're going to have your regular

[5:11:18] meeting on Monday. If you are able to

[5:11:21] get out the budget ordinance

[5:11:24] on Friday and the local law on Friday or

[5:11:27] Saturday by unanimous consent, you can

[5:11:30] just add those to the agenda on Monday.

[5:11:32] >> And if you don't vote on on Monday, then

[5:11:34] you can adjourn the meeting or later in

[5:11:37] the week before November 1st. Then it's

[5:11:39] an adjournment meeting, not a new

[5:11:40] meeting.

[5:11:41] >> Can we

[5:11:43] recess? But could we could we right now

[5:11:46] so that we have enough notice and if

[5:11:49] just in case we need Tuesday couldn't we

[5:11:52] >> I think we I think the best practice

[5:11:54] right now is just to see what happens on

[5:11:56] Friday.

[5:11:57] >> That's my recommendation.

[5:11:59] >> What if we decid Monday still that time

[5:12:03] >> for the committee meeting? Yes. So maybe

[5:12:06] just have the committee meeting. you're

[5:12:08] already coming here anyhow on Monday and you'll be working over, you know, on

[5:12:14] Friday, right?

[5:12:15] >> So, if you need to work with it some

[5:12:18] more prior to the meeting,

[5:12:20] >> um you can add that by unanimous

[5:12:22] consent, the budget ordinance and the

[5:12:25] local law.

[5:12:26] >> But if we have to come at 5:30 on

[5:12:28] Monday, don't we have to do a public

[5:12:30] notice 3 days in advance?

[5:12:32] >> Right. And for for the finance,

[5:12:34] >> you can't count Saturday and Sunday, do

[5:12:36] you?

[5:12:36] >> So, yes. Oh.

[5:12:37] >> So, so what I'm going to get then

[5:12:41] is that Sam's going to send out a notice

[5:12:43] that we're going to add

[5:12:46] >> two more days.

[5:12:47] >> We're going to add Monday reconvene at

[5:12:50] 5:30

[5:12:52] recess city council meeting upstairs and

[5:12:54] reconvene back down here and then

[5:12:57] Tuesday 5:30.

[5:12:58] >> Okay.

[5:12:59] >> I'm going to place that place full

[5:13:01] reserve those days. I think that's the

[5:13:02] way to go.

[5:13:03] >> I I'm not sensing a good feeling that

[5:13:06] we're going to have something Friday.

[5:13:08] >> We might.

[5:13:09] >> Do you want to add Wednesday?

[5:13:10] >> Nobody had hardly anything.

[5:13:11] >> We can just for the sake of

[5:13:17] » Yes. Wednesday.

[5:13:19] >> I'm sorry. What? and Wednesday and

[5:13:22] Wednesday

[5:13:26] council. So you recess recess the uh

[5:13:30] council meeting

[5:13:31] >> council meeting

[5:13:32] >> and you can reconvene like towards your

[5:13:34] Friday

[5:13:36] >> right if if those items get on by next

[5:13:42] >> if they get on the agenda they have to

[5:13:43] be on the agenda we'll reconvene the

[5:13:46] meeting has to be otherwise you're going

[5:13:48] to have to have a special meeting also

[5:13:50] we need a special you need a special

[5:13:52] meeting if you're maybe that's the way

[5:13:55] you want to go and have a special

[5:13:56] meeting for next Thursday or Tuesday or

[5:13:58] whatever, you know, um and just have a

[5:14:00] special meeting to to vote on the

[5:14:02] budget. That way you may have a little

[5:14:04] bit more time in between, you know, see

[5:14:06] if things can be worked out.

[5:14:10] >> We've done that before and we're like in

[5:14:12] a special meeting when you let the

[5:14:13] budget go. You want to go on.

[5:14:16] >> Yeah. So you can do a special meeting.

[5:14:18] >> Yes.

[5:14:18] >> And and just do that and then you just

[5:14:20] have you're just dealing with the budget

[5:14:21] and the local law if necessary. Mhm.

[5:14:25] >> So, so the charge we're taking here is

[5:14:27] to make sure that we secure placehold

[5:14:30] for the committee meeting days.

[5:14:32] >> We look what happen, you know, what's

[5:14:34] happening Friday.

[5:14:36] >> Mhm.

[5:14:36] >> And then we can say, okay, we need

[5:14:39] Monday. So then we can say, you know,

[5:14:41] there are a couple items need to to to

[5:14:43] iron out. Then we can call the special

[5:14:45] meeting Wednesday, right? Friday.

[5:14:47] >> Wednesday's the one I I can't I mean,

[5:14:49] I'd say Tuesday.

[5:14:51] >> You can't Wednesday.

[5:14:56] And actually Thursday Thursday Thursday

[5:14:58] is the um is it is there's the county uh

[5:15:02] dinner but

[5:15:05] >> we got

[5:15:07] can notice for the committee meetings

[5:15:12] and possible

[5:15:14] council meeting all at once.

[5:15:17] >> Yeah.

[5:15:17] >> Like one notice saying that that's what

[5:15:19] the agenda is.

[5:15:22] Yeah. Council meeting. Yeah.

[5:15:24] >> Two notices or you know one notice with

[5:15:26] two two meeting notices. One one with

[5:15:29] the committee and council meeting

[5:15:32] dealing with the uh adoption of the

[5:15:35] budget.

[5:15:35] >> Right. So so on day though it's I know

[5:15:39] that you guys but if you come here 5:30

[5:15:42] when time's the dinner started?

[5:15:43] >> I don't know. I I'll forget it. I won't

[5:15:45] worry about it. I just you know skinny

[5:15:47] shares is actually one of the awardees.

[5:15:49] If you're if you're voting on the budget

[5:15:51] though that's already be working passing

[5:15:54] usually that meeting less than half an

[5:15:56] hour is tops that

[5:15:59] >> then I will also be available on

[5:16:02] Thursday.

[5:16:03] >> So everybody's available on Thursday. So

[5:16:06] >> I'm available Monday, Tuesday, Thursday

[5:16:09] everybody.

[5:16:10] >> So here let's do this one step at a

[5:16:11] time. S please out for me. Uh the

[5:16:14] committee is u we're meeting this

[5:16:17] Friday. meeting next Monday and Tuesday.

[5:16:20] >> Yes, special meeting on Thursday for the

[5:16:24] >> hopefully we can do it before then, but

[5:16:25] hopefully we can, but I don't know. It

[5:16:27] is

[5:16:27] >> Thursday.

[5:16:30] Just saying.

[5:16:32] >> Well, that meeting can always be

[5:16:34] adjourned. It's not Thursday.

[5:16:36] >> That's right. We don't need it. But just

[5:16:38] this is our just in case just in case

[5:16:40] the state be

[5:16:48] I can sit here until tomorrow morning.

[5:16:54] I just man

[5:16:57] out because

[5:17:03] motion motion to reset finance committee

[5:17:06] second. All in favor?

[5:17:16] Thank you very much.

[5:17:19] >> Thank you. So

[5:17:21] >> we already decided to do it. You need me

[5:17:24] to break down some

[5:17:28] » we'll be meeting later.

2026 Schenectady City Budget Meeting, October 22, 2025

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