[0:10] There there was a

[0:15] one of I don't know I got to get on with

[0:18] this thing without getting too deep but

[0:24] there was one of the sheriff deputies

[0:26] that took the training program cost

[0:28] $2,400 officers

[0:30] And so I'm curious to know what those

[0:33] trainings consist of that cost that kind

[0:37] of money. We should have some sort of an

[0:40] explanation.

[0:43] The

[0:45] I I guess the real one

[0:48] you'll hear is

[0:51] me at least.

[0:55] There's a jail mandates jail maintenance

[0:58] in detention painting

[1:01] for $119,000.

[1:05] Now I'm sitting there thinking we have a

[1:07] maintenance department.

[1:09] Surely some of those folks are capable

[1:11] of painting.

[1:13] $119,000

[1:16] sounds like a lie. Somebody needs to

[1:18] explain that stuff to me.

[1:21] Maybe nobody else is in with that, but I

[1:24] am. I looked at this stuff and I'm

[1:26] curious to know why you see some of

[1:28] these numbers but nobody's around to say

[1:31] hey here's the reason for that.

[1:36] So how how do we handle that situation?

[1:39] I don't know. You just say well we're

[1:41] not paying unless you explain can't do

[1:43] that. That's not fair.

[1:47] But I think it's fine for some of our

[1:49] department heads

[1:51] to take responsibility on some of this

[1:53] stuff. We're the ones ultimately that

[1:56] say, "Yeah, it's okay." And nobody's

[1:59] here to to

[2:01] answer the questions.

[2:04] So, I don't know. It It's just It's just

[2:07] mindboggling that some of this stuff is

[2:09] going on and has went on for years.

[2:12] Takes time to get a hold of it. I'm on

[2:14] the internet. I believe down downturn in

[2:17] revenues. This kind of stuff just can't

[2:19] continue.

[2:22] So that's my speech.

[2:26] So do you know how many credit cards did

[2:29] you all issue them there in clerk's

[2:31] office or who they issued the cards?

[2:33] >> Yes, we issued them from our office. I

[2:36] believe there's 17.

[2:37] >> That's all you put out? 17 cards.

[2:42] one for each department.

[2:45] So my second question is so Doug Blake's

[2:48] here might be able to tell tell us where

[2:51] they you know

[2:53] >> yeah they redid all

[2:55] >> stand up yet so green hall maintenance

[2:59] uh they did a redid all the pod and that

[3:02] was something that the jail did never it

[3:06] was their project that they came up with

[3:08] their

[3:10] maintenance was not involved and they

[3:12] stripped that all the

[3:14] They came in and sand blasted that all

[3:15] the way back down to original structure

[3:19] and then they reprimedimed and the whole

[3:21] thing and that still took then and then

[3:24] and that was almost six seven weeks that

[3:26] it took to do that with [clears throat]

[3:30] I don't know the painting crew had seven

[3:32] people and the sand blasting crew had

[3:35] four people. So what is that 9,000 hours

[3:41] man hours of labor where that's way out

[3:44] of that would take our whole entire

[3:46] department two months to do and you

[3:50] would be able to go do anything else or

[3:52] follow the other people that have a

[3:55] disaster every day and we were not

[3:57] involved in it. It was something that

[4:00] the jail and the sheriff did on their

[4:02] own.

[4:04] Thanks. Okay.

[4:06] And

[4:08] how's how's Andre? Doing better. He's

[4:11] walking. He says his leg feels a lot

[4:13] better. Thanks. He was going to try to

[4:15] come over, but

[4:18] stay here all day.

[4:25] So, Commissioner Stevens,

[4:28] I along with others on the board, do you

[4:30] go through accounts payable? Yes.

[4:33] And one of the issues that come in is

[4:37] at this point in time the work has

[4:39] already been done and the items have

[4:42] typically been purchased or procured

[4:46] and they have made a commitment to pay.

[4:50] I've notated the questions that you have

[4:52] that are open questions

[4:55] in that regard. Are there items on table

[4:59] that you don't want to pay and the

[5:02] information on the ultimate.

[5:04] >> I I think I think payments need to be

[5:06] paid. I'm just I'm just questioning the

[5:08] fact

[5:14] the detention center and we have we have

[5:16] a maintenance.

[5:25] » So I don't see a representative from the

[5:27] SO here. So at the next meeting I'd ask

[5:30] that sheriff's department be put on the

[5:32] agenda for explanation of that meeting

[5:35] that is

[5:36] >> yeah yeah that's fine all I all I'm

[5:38] asking for is an explanation why like in

[5:40] the radios for instance they're all

[5:42] parish radio according to what I've seen

[5:44] here why the big difference I'm sure

[5:46] there must be some special I don't even

[5:50] radio I don't know but it would help

[5:53] I I don't disagree with

[5:58] Please.

[5:59] >> Okay. So, you know, I'm curious to see

[6:02] if it was in the budget. Probably was,

[6:04] but we didn't.

[6:06] >> Yeah. And then, you know, whether we are

[6:09] taking bids on this big project any

[6:15] two cents worth. Okay. So, we'll go

[6:17] ahead and insert that on the agenda as

[6:19] far as questions if we can. In addition,

[6:22] uh we'd like to have the departments

[6:23] that purchase the radios come forward at

[6:25] the next meeting so we can fully have

[6:27] the transpire

[6:34] that acceptable.

[6:35] >> That's fine.

[6:40] Y

[6:43] so with that being said placed on the

[6:47] next agenda we go back to account

[6:50] payable goal of 1,340,85284

[6:59] other further discussion on this

[7:04] accounts payable 3402

[7:09] Thank you. Is [clears throat] there a

[7:10] second?

[7:12] Have a motion and a second. All

[7:15] in favor?

[7:16] >> Any opposed?

[7:20] >> Thank you.

[7:22] Uh, next

[7:24] Billy P, please.

[7:38] got [clears throat] an activity

[7:40] list.

[7:42] Um

[7:51] just

[7:53] starting to get

[7:55] pretty much all roads open needed open

[7:59] about a month ahead

[8:03] still want to get that slush and put

[8:06] snow on them off to dry it out. moment

[8:15] finishing up.

[8:18] The gun club had a lot of mud issues, a

[8:21] lot of issues. We just kind of clean up

[8:24] some stuff out there, brought in little

[8:27] material, make it

[8:31] walking in the land and stuff. Probably

[8:34] get down out there and do some more

[8:36] approach. last year. We'll put that

[8:38] pipeline in to kind of mess up the drive

[8:41] going in there. So, finishing that up

[8:43] today

[8:47] should be out of there.

[8:50] Start start putting

[8:53] place all the cattle bars out there on

[8:55] dry pining. There's some wor out. So,

[8:56] I'm going to try to get that done before

[8:58] it gets more busy. I've got a drainage

[9:01] issue at the golf course. So, I'm going

[9:02] try to get that done.

[9:04] Um

[9:06] let's kind of branches up too right now

[9:08] still with this land where there is

[9:12] still bond ra

[9:15] still blows I got a blade I'm sure up

[9:18] there almost every day um

[9:22] other than that you guys questions on my

[9:25] activities

[9:31] um

[9:33] I got call the forest service um about a

[9:38] large creek.

[9:41] I don't know if a lot of you guys

[9:43] remember here a few years ago. You know,

[9:47] there's always been that last mile of

[9:52] road

[9:53] um from where ours

[9:58] been to the for a mile of road.

[10:02] We never could get that agreement with

[10:04] that echo since Bob Herorth signed. So,

[10:08] um that part of the road was really bad.

[10:10] Well, the horse service contacted me and

[10:13] they're going to do cell and stuff up

[10:16] there. So, they're trying to get right

[10:18] now on this half of the road. Bob her is

[10:22] the other half. We never could get that

[10:25] agreement

[10:26] done. Um

[10:29] talked to Bob Hering yesterday. Um the

[10:33] force service guys been on me so I sent

[10:36] him to Bob because it's kind of up to

[10:39] them you know um

[10:42] Bob's good with their agreement. Nobody

[10:44] can get a hold of so the forest service

[10:47] I left it in their part to try to work

[10:50] out.

[10:52] I guess my question is um Bob would

[10:55] rather the county have them easement

[10:58] through there than the forest service.

[11:01] Um that part of the road needs a lot of

[11:05] work. Um

[11:08] I you know I've been talking with Forest

[11:11] Service. They said they would homie up a

[11:13] little bit because it's like pretty much

[11:15] undrivable. It's like side by side and

[11:18] um so you know because I have no for us

[11:23] to rebuild that part of that mile roads

[11:25] you know I have to haul everything to

[11:27] pretty much and I start building the

[11:29] only pit that's close there's a pit

[11:32] right down there off of the barge creek

[11:34] that Keith Hughes owns but he's pretty

[11:36] much took all the material down for the

[11:39] power plant down in Kimry so I'd have to

[11:42] haul all that out of dry plant so you

[11:45] but it costs quite a bit to rebuild that

[11:48] part of the road. So, the Forest Service

[11:50] said that I said, you know,

[11:54] I have no problem doing a lot of the

[11:56] work. Um, but I do know there's some

[11:59] gravel pits on LeBard. So,

[12:02] >> how do you do it? You know, it' be my

[12:04] recommendation to the commissioners that

[12:07] >> we're even if you guys even want these,

[12:11] unless you just want the forest service,

[12:13] but I think the land owners are going to

[12:15] want the county to have it.

[12:19] >> For service. So my thing was is I my

[12:24] recommendation is you know the only way

[12:27] we going to do the take the easement is

[12:30] if they supply the gravel because there

[12:32] is gravel pits up there that would say

[12:35] you know couple hundred,000 in trucking

[12:39] so anyway but I don't know if you guys

[12:41] even want to mess with it. So that's I

[12:43] told him I would ask today and move

[12:46] forward.

[12:49] So Billy uh can't do anything till the

[12:52] Eckles gives in.

[12:53] >> Yeah, because Eckles the way that

[12:55] easement is, it's like it's like they

[12:58] both own half the road,

[13:00] >> right?

[13:02] >> Bob, I talked to him the other day. Like

[13:04] you said, he'd rather the county have

[13:06] the easement.

[13:07] >> I mean, back in the day, you know, we

[13:09] thought it was all going to go and we

[13:11] built the fence. So, it's been fenced

[13:15] that extra mile cuz we jumped the gun on

[13:17] that. But, um, you know, that last mile

[13:21] of road is bad shape,

[13:23] >> but there's not much we can do though.

[13:26] >> There's nothing we can do till I mean,

[13:29] Bob said he was signed to the county. He

[13:31] don't know if he'll sign for the forest

[13:33] service. He likes the idea of the

[13:34] logging and stuff, but um he said he's

[13:38] up and you know they'd have to really

[13:42] talk to him to get it done. He he signed

[13:45] with us that far right now, but we the

[13:49] last time we had

[13:51] it's really hard to get in touch with

[13:53] them people.

[13:55] they got to go through like all these

[13:56] attorneys and and stuff and um so

[14:01] honestly leaving that up to the forest

[14:03] service but I know if they do I I guess

[14:07] my question is is if you guys even want

[14:10] the easement or if you want me to say no

[14:12] forest service it's on you guys

[14:22] pursuing sounds like quite a

[14:28] nonre

[14:33] to see something happen there if we can.

[14:36] >> I have no problem doing anything. Like I

[14:38] said, I I would like to the Forest

[14:41] Service to pull me up the gravel, you

[14:43] know, because there's

[14:45] >> and that's basically this there's just

[14:47] big there's no road. It's just big holes

[14:50] and everything. So, it's going to take a

[14:52] lot of native pit road, you know, to get

[14:54] it

[14:54] >> and get some drainage and stuff. And

[14:56] they have pits up there and I I I you

[15:00] know, I've been in contact with them and

[15:02] they they say they'll you know, they're good with that.

[15:08] >> You know, we'll see.

[15:13] » Do you bring an estimated cost of that

[15:15] place?

[15:17] >> Well, like I said, the gravel was up

[15:19] there. I mean it to get it to get it up

[15:23] to you know where you can use them with

[15:25] the vehicle you it you know if they

[15:27] supply the gravel probably be

[15:31] you know around 125,000

[15:34] you know that's what I just estimated

[15:36] but other I mean 100,000 just

[15:41] such you know it's a long ways it's be

[15:44] like 34 miles one way

[15:53] So Billy, Mr. Chairman. So Billy, this

[15:58] you would do yourself. You done hire?

[16:01] >> Well, I would have to if because it it

[16:04] take if we have to haul it out of our

[16:06] pit. I might try Ping the heroin pit.

[16:11] >> I'd have to hire trucks. Yeah. Because

[16:12] it it just take it take us three years

[16:16] to be able to grow up there. But there's

[16:19] I like I said I

[16:22] my opinion

[16:25] I wouldn't do it I wouldn't even do it

[16:28] unless the for surface let us use one of

[16:32] them pits one of them old gravel pits up

[16:34] there

[16:36] the gravel

[16:37] >> well it's just it's just native I mean

[16:39] just to get you won't have to do nothing

[16:41] it's it's nice stuff

[16:43] um

[16:45] >> you know then that would that would then

[16:47] I wouldn't hire nobody. We could just do

[16:49] it. The big thing just time that Miles

[16:53] hauling it all the way, you know.

[16:58] So without the

[17:02] without E signing off, there's no way to

[17:05] do it.

[17:06] >> There's no way to do it. So that for

[17:08] service is trying to work it. I mean,

[17:11] they're even talking domain, you know,

[17:14] and I I wasn't really for that. Um, but

[17:18] I just think I do think I do.

[17:28] But I just I hope for some see if you

[17:31] guys were

[17:33] even

[17:35] you know okay if they do if all this

[17:38] comes through they'd be the invest

[17:49] Orange.

[17:50] >> Yeah. Yeah. And then where where the

[17:53] county stops

[17:55] there's that mile to the forest service

[17:58] and it's it's like almost undrivable. I

[18:01] mean

[18:03] um they can't take horse trailers or

[18:06] campers or anything spot. You know,

[18:09] where we stop it be more or less that

[18:11] bad trains

[18:16] is a huge safety concern.

[18:18] >> Oh yeah. From fire you access it

[18:23] but there there you know and I kind of

[18:27] think the forest service because there's

[18:29] no way I mean there's we

[18:33] you know we didn't get that far in the

[18:34] conversation but there's no way you're

[18:36] going to get lo trucks up there. So

[18:38] they're going to have to they're going

[18:39] to have to do some work on the on the

[18:41] road to even get log trucks on it. So

[18:43] they're you know they're going to have

[18:44] to do something. So

[18:49] chairman

[18:52] just so everybody knows I'm not at all

[18:54] against it. Steve Hoffman would probably

[18:56] give everyone us a hug, you know, if we

[18:57] did this, but the last time we took over

[18:59] roads got roasted. Okay. So, you know, I

[19:03] mean, I think we have put a little

[19:04] thought into this

[19:07] for a couple meetings or or what's

[19:09] >> it take I mean I guess I mean it's going

[19:12] to take a while back. I just he was just

[19:16] wanted to know if um cuz like Bob Bob's

[19:20] hold kind of tough with letting the

[19:23] Forest Service have the easement. He'd

[19:24] rather sign it over to us. So, I guess

[19:27] we're just trying to figure out what

[19:29] angle we need to try to work forward to.

[19:42] So, if the foreign service was to get

[19:46] over Monday, would the county have a

[19:49] total easement or is it still going to

[19:50] be a shared deal? you know that if

[19:54] Eckles and Har were signing over to the

[19:56] county, it would be our ement to and

[19:59] then, you know, we'd have it would tie

[20:01] in off of our other ement

[20:04] on to to the force.

[20:07] Okay. So, explain.

[20:10] Okay, I'm kidding. the movement.

[20:12] >> Um,

[20:15] they

[20:18] back in the day when we first started

[20:20] doing this, there was some they went up

[20:23] the Forest Service had done some, you

[20:26] know, still motorized vehicles and stuff

[20:29] and um

[20:33] kind of blocked some of the areas they

[20:36] used to like drive on and stuff up

[20:38] there. And so it was kind of kind of a

[20:43] not they were kind of feuding with the

[20:46] forcers hero organicles and so

[20:50] that we never could get that holes hung

[20:53] with Bob. They were like, "Yeah, you

[20:56] know, unless Forest Service back in the

[21:00] day, Bob would sign it over and Edles

[21:02] would sign it over to the county user

[21:07] service use it." Well, we couldn't do

[21:09] that. So, that's it just kept it just

[21:13] kept going back and forth like that. And

[21:15] then Eckles has said, "I I ain't signing

[21:17] any anyone."

[21:19] So, and then Bob was like, "No, I'm

[21:22] done." So, it's just been a lot of years

[21:25] now. And now Bob Bob's like, I you know,

[21:29] he says, I think the county should have

[21:31] that extra, you know, that last mile.

[21:33] He's still not crazy about the Forest

[21:35] Service, but he likes the idea of going

[21:38] up there and logging and doing that

[21:40] stuff. And he he really

[21:44] said to me, you know, he wants the

[21:45] public to be able to, you know, get up

[21:48] there. that part of the road is so bad

[21:50] that you know it's it's kind of

[21:53] unpassable unless you side by side.

[21:57] So he's kind of I think everybody's kind

[21:59] of calm down. It's just really hard to

[22:00] get a hold of. Um you got to you got to

[22:04] call his attorney and and you never talk

[22:06] to

[22:08] family. You got to go through all their

[22:10] people.

[22:12] But the forest service, I guess what

[22:14] they were want to know is that how they

[22:18] what their next step is that the county

[22:20] will um be willing to take the easement.

[22:25] They'll try to give,

[22:28] you know, get e to come to us and sign.

[22:32] Um and then but then you know we'll be stuck with the maintenance on

[22:38] the road you know once it's

[22:55] proposed time to revisit this building

[22:58] >> I it's going to take but it'll take the

[23:01] forest service. I think it's quite you

[23:04] know probably a few weeks a month

[23:06] probably here for eles that's normally

[23:09] the time frame there.

[23:12] >> I can just keep you up you know informed

[23:15] you know and we can make that decision.

[23:18] >> Sounds good. Thank you.

[23:19] >> Okay.

[23:21] Um,

[23:25] other than that, um, I know Eric's got

[23:29] some updates and stuff. I was just

[23:32] curious. We're doing everything. Um, I

[23:34] know the bike path things come up. So, I

[23:37] just wanted you you [clears throat] guys

[23:39] want us to work on I mean, I did the

[23:41] temporary fixes. I don't know how long

[23:44] that'll last. Um, I don't know if you

[23:46] want us to put numbers together and try

[23:48] to, you know, fit it in with our chip

[23:51] seal stuff, you know, because I was

[23:53] planning on using the gas tax for the

[23:55] some of that money to use chip sailing

[23:57] and that and maybe we can put that in

[24:00] with that. But I just was going to get

[24:03] some what you guys think.

[24:11] taking some really good pictures and

[24:13] grab blank bats around the state to show

[24:15] you these states.

[24:16] >> Yeah.

[24:19] I've seen some really nice rotoill

[24:21] ones and stuff like we that one we did

[24:24] that we tore out and did, you know, they turn out not bad. Um,

[24:31] [laughter]

[24:33] you know,

[24:34] >> so is it still in the cards that we

[24:36] fixing then gave them to the town? Is

[24:38] that

[24:38] >> Yes. Yes.

[24:41] And Clayton could probably talk about

[24:42] that a little bit. I know I know you got

[24:44] all the agreements. It's just we just

[24:46] got to get them up to par, right? Yeah.

[24:50] If uh Mr. Chairman, um

[24:55] Billy, as I recall, I think these guys

[24:58] looked at it last fall and said, "We

[25:00] don't want to spend the money." It was

[25:01] like a million bucks.

[25:02] >> Yeah,

[25:03] >> I think that was what it was. It's about

[25:05] a million bucks to bring all that stuff

[25:06] up if I'm not if I'm remembering

[25:08] correctly. And that that was a couple

[25:10] years ago. So it's probably Mike it's

[25:12] probably a little more

[25:16] but it's all

[25:20] >> but once we get them up then the town

[25:22] will take theirs more will take theirs

[25:24] big pine and then then we're we're done

[25:27] with just the voice count.

[25:32] I said if you want us to I know budget's

[25:34] coming. I didn't know if you want us to

[25:36] try to put numbers together.

[25:38] Um because

[25:40] there is some the stuff I did, you know,

[25:44] it'll it'll last a little while, but I

[25:47] don't have the same.

[25:55] I think last year we we spoke about

[25:57] continuing moving forward on it,

[26:01] made that representation to a number of

[26:02] people. So be prudent to get some cost

[26:05] and say okay

[26:08] it

[26:08] >> okay or not

[26:11] good dealates

[26:24] just got some uh project updates starts

[26:27] out

[26:30] pulling out the old fence so they're

[26:31] probably

[26:32] remove the old bridge, get the piles out

[26:34] so they can start excavating and start

[26:36] installing that block. Hopefully the

[26:38] roads only closed for a couple weeks,

[26:40] but picked a good week to start. So, we

[26:42] should get done before they want to turn

[26:44] the water on. So, off to a good start on

[26:47] that two days in, but no problems yet.

[26:51] And then I sent you guys the quick

[26:53] design that I done on rear and draw so

[26:55] far. So, I'm still working on that one.

[26:57] I finally got back to the supplier. The

[27:01] way I designed it was to match the cover

[27:04] that we had. So, we had to go with the

[27:06] thicker plates. And since that structure

[27:07] is so big,

[27:10] just delivered it was $200,000 for that

[27:12] structure. But if we go to the thinner

[27:15] plates and put three and a half ft of

[27:17] cover over the structure down to

[27:20] 159,000. So, that's the design going to

[27:23] import more crutch base and ramp the

[27:25] road over that box over. So, I'll get

[27:29] those plans ready. We probably won't

[27:32] we'll bid it and then have construction

[27:33] after November. So, this year's

[27:37] off, replace that possibly.

[27:44] » I see you got it designed for like a 6'1

[27:47] clearance underneath.

[27:49] >> Is that going to be enough to get in

[27:50] there and clean the stuff out? Uh, I

[27:53] just tried to match what the excavation

[27:55] that we did or what the how they cut it

[27:59] out to where it is now. If we go bigger,

[28:01] those costs are going to go up. So,

[28:02] that's that's kind of what I did was

[28:04] match what's there. It's cuz it it's so

[28:06] flat that it will silt in,

[28:09] but maybe a back truck can clean it out

[28:12] a little bit easier. You get the center

[28:14] and you can work in it. But yeah, that's

[28:16] kind of so the gravel plate or floor

[28:19] you've got under it, that's what's

[28:20] required. You could of course see CM

[28:22] under that or just

[28:25] >> I mean that would be more expensive.

[28:27] These pre-made plates that they come

[28:29] with the usually it's the cheapest

[28:31] option they have. You can do footers

[28:34] where it's empty in between and then you

[28:35] can cut in between. But then if there

[28:39] ever is scour it undercuts those

[28:41] foundations and you got to fix that. So

[28:43] that's kind of why we usually do the

[28:44] full full box.

[28:51] Okay. And then the other thing is uh

[28:52] when I get reared and done, I'll start

[28:55] design on the uh cattle project. So I

[28:57] just wanted to make sure that we still

[28:59] wanted to go ahead with that. The four

[29:00] we were looking at

[29:03] was the industrial site, Pindel South,

[29:06] Half Moon, and White Pine.

[29:08] So those were the four we were looking

[29:10] at getting done this year.

[29:13] Talk about doing these in house.

[29:16] change. Uh, we had mentioned we had

[29:18] mentioned that I could look into what it

[29:21] would cost to be have it'd be a separate

[29:23] project to have Adams or somebody

[29:25] pre-cast them and then have them on

[29:27] supply, but same time when the county

[29:30] goes to do it, they'd have to rent a

[29:31] crane and schedule them. But I can

[29:32] certainly

[29:34] get prices on what it would cost for

[29:37] Adams to pre-cast them and then get with

[29:39] Billy to see what the feasibility is on.

[29:42] Personally, I think it's worth looking

[29:43] at after this last debacle out here and

[29:45] the cost of those things. Let's see what

[29:47] it cost in the house for pre-cast.

[29:49] >> Yeah. Every year, the last two years,

[29:51] they've been about 350,000. So, this

[29:54] round would probably be around that

[29:55] 400,000 because they're a little bigger

[29:57] for the half moon and white pine. We're

[29:59] going to have to put detours in because

[30:00] there's no way around

[30:03] on those. So, that's kind of what we're

[30:05] looking at.

[30:07] But I can I can put numbers together to

[30:10] see what uh just getting those

[30:13] foundations poured and delivered would

[30:15] cost and come back with you on that.

[30:19] >> Okay,

[30:20] >> Mr. Chairman. So, where's the one at

[30:22] White Pine?

[30:23] >> Just before White Pine. It's on the main

[30:25] top.

[30:26] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[30:27] >> So, is that even necessary?

[30:31] I mean, where they're not keeping cattle

[30:33] up there anymore?

[30:35] Uh I know when we did the project we

[30:37] asked the forest service to pull a

[30:39] couple of those and they said we had to

[30:40] keep them. So but then that was a

[30:42] federal project that so I think we need

[30:44] double check on that because that's

[30:46] absolutely doing nothing you know and

[30:49] there's no fences. There's nothing out

[30:51] there that I mean cattle is doing no

[30:54] good because they go around if there was

[30:56] something up there. So I mean

[31:00] I can certainly reach out to him since

[31:03] he was there maybe 50 years ago they

[31:06] grazed up there or something but I think

[31:09] that was very

[31:10] >> I know when we did the bottom the first

[31:12] portion of the skyline thought that fire

[31:14] had gone through and the fences were

[31:15] burned down and they they made us put it

[31:17] in anyway and they put the fences back

[31:20] >> but there's blow there. It's a different

[31:23] deal. So, I don't know. I've always

[31:25] wondered why the cavard's even there.

[31:27] >> This is County Road. I can certainly

[31:29] reach out to them and see what they say.

[31:31] >> Well, I think that

[31:37] that's pretty much all I have for you.

[31:40] This may get pearl here, but your

[31:45] engineering or your estimate on this

[31:46] rear draw room is 385,000 or something.

[31:50] [clears throat] doesn't have any

[31:51] engineering estimate in it, which I can

[31:53] understand why you don't send your

[31:54] engineering estimate out to be because

[31:58] >> I think those estimates what it's going

[32:00] to cost for your guys' service, we ought

[32:02] to be seeing

[32:03] >> I we we typically put those those budget

[32:06] estimates we include the 10% for

[32:08] engineering and then 10% for

[32:10] construction. So when we do the

[32:12] estimates that we get

[32:13] >> going to go through one here a little

[32:14] bit fairgrounds are for the third time

[32:17] and some of that scope changed and who knows if the engineering

[32:22] changed I don't have any idea because we

[32:23] have no in my mind no baseline where you guys was proposed to be at

[32:30] >> I think there's a bit of a checkbook

[32:31] here for you guys that I want to start

[32:33] seeing all these bids before they go

[32:36] out.

[32:38] >> Yeah. Typically all we can do is good

[32:40] rule of thumb is 10% for design and then

[32:43] 10% for during construction and we try

[32:46] and stay we're typically under that if

[32:48] that's usually the you see every every

[32:51] bill that comes in engineering fee for

[32:53] whatever the project might be and it

[32:55] always well how much we paid on that how

[32:57] much we have paid on that

[33:00] we need more clear direction on you

[33:02] guys' costing

[33:10] Thank you. Thank you.

[33:20] Back on the

[33:22] cattle guards I did last year when when

[33:25] I put that in that fix. I reached out to

[33:29] the foreign service and asked them. They

[33:31] told me there's no way to build that

[33:32] vest and they're none of that.

[33:36] >> So you worked on that category last

[33:37] year.

[33:38] >> Well, we Yeah, because it keeps sinking.

[33:41] It's traffic, you know, hits it. So we raised it. Keep putting shims under

[33:45] and raised it. I I'm just like you. I'm

[33:48] like there's no fence. So I reached out

[33:51] to them because I was gonna pull it and

[33:53] they said no they're gonna have cows up there. They

[33:58] said I got the fence picked

[34:02] haven't seen cows.

[34:03] >> I know me and [clears throat]

[34:05] >> well I appreciate if you just run by

[34:08] them again.

[34:08] >> Yeah.

[34:08] >> I mean because I think actually wasting

[34:11] some money here right quick.

[34:13] >> Yeah. [clears throat]

[34:15] So, Rim Road um got everything we asked

[34:20] for the um 100 foot easement, the extra

[34:25] roof turnarounds and extra areas to put

[34:28] snow catchers. Um but Clay wants to hold

[34:32] it because he's got some questions that

[34:35] he wants to see if we can work out. So,

[34:40] I was going to have

[34:44] guys sign we're kind of hold off.

[34:49] So

[34:51] other than that um [snorts]

[34:55] waste management it's it's good. Um

[34:59] starting starting to pick up getting

[35:02] busy. Um the the building's pretty much

[35:05] done. Turned out really nice. So we did a lot of extra

[35:11] middle Blakes spent tons of time with

[35:14] the fire

[35:16] system in there. Um and but then all the

[35:21] construction

[35:23] is almost done pretty much. They the way

[35:26] we did the the building, you know, it's

[35:29] like a building inside of building and

[35:31] then sprinklers were in the roof and all

[35:33] that. We kind of we kind of changed that

[35:36] design a little bit where it had where

[35:38] you could store stuff on top. We did

[35:40] away with that. We made it sloped and we

[35:43] put tin on in that so if we ever have

[35:45] sprinklers go off again, it won't rot in

[35:47] the break room and the offices and the

[35:49] bathrooms and all that. Uh turned out

[35:52] really nice.

[35:56] Fire working good. Um so we're good

[36:00] there. um golf course

[36:04] and starting to go hot out there since

[36:07] the ice line is starting to hel off.

[36:10] We're out there doing stuff to fair

[36:13] dragon picking up, you know, on debris

[36:18] doing, like I said, probably later this

[36:20] week, first part of next week, I got a

[36:22] number eight. I got to put some drains

[36:25] in. Um so, we'll get out there and get

[36:27] that done. Um, just trying to get

[36:31] everything going to be open.

[36:36] » Mr. Chairman, I had a question. Golf

[36:38] course. So, Billy, I got a couple of

[36:40] letters here. Do you know about these

[36:43] uh homeowners and the from the golf

[36:46] course?

[36:47] >> Oh, yeah. About the

[36:52] dogs and stuff.

[36:54] >> Yeah. I mean I just I mean I didn't know

[36:59] anything about it till I got contacted

[37:01] you know people that you know and

[37:04] [clears throat] it's kind of surprise I

[37:06] you know if I have knew they were going

[37:07] out I' been more a little more prepared.

[37:10] >> We we send letters out every year just

[37:13] um since we've been there just because

[37:15] every year we have um issues we have

[37:20] stuff that arise. Um the big thing is is

[37:23] when the you know they'll just come out

[37:26] and start playing from whatever hole.

[37:28] And so we just we just send out

[37:30] reminders that they got to, you know,

[37:32] let us know because that course is so

[37:35] busy now that, you know, they they got

[37:38] to let us know they can't just jump in

[37:40] on a hole without us knowing, you know,

[37:43] because we got, you know,

[37:46] they they tee off every 12 minutes, you

[37:49] know, so we start having a lot of

[37:51] complaints about that. So, we just send

[37:52] out a letter to all the homeowners just

[37:54] letting them know, you know, remember to

[37:56] call us and we make sure we have our

[37:58] emails and stuff like that. And then

[38:00] last year we had we had numerous dog,

[38:04] you know, we had the big deal with, you

[38:06] know, the guy getting bit stuff like

[38:08] that and that was an ordeal going to be

[38:11] with Clayton and Yeah. I mean, so we

[38:14] just, you know, tell people to really

[38:16] watch their dogs and that it's just kind

[38:18] of a letter to

[38:22] just remind them that, you know, what we

[38:25] expect, you know, so we don't have

[38:28] issues.

[38:29] >> I have no objection to what the letter

[38:31] what's in it has nothing to do with it.

[38:33] Maybe if you'll just tell us next year

[38:35] when you do, you know, because

[38:36] >> Oh, okay. So, yeah,

[38:37] >> I mean, it's kind of like anonymous.

[38:39] There's no signatures on there whether

[38:41] we sent it out or you sent it out or

[38:43] >> Well, the one we sent out had, you know, the, you know, we we put,

[38:49] you know, we sent it out to and we had

[38:51] our, you know, logo and everything on

[38:54] it.

[38:56] So, this one doesn't

[38:59] >> Oh, I think that was probably um

[39:01] probably that they must just printed

[39:03] that off the email or something because

[39:06] some of them some of them we didn't have

[39:08] mailing addresses. We just we just had

[39:10] their email.

[39:11] >> Okay. But like I say, I appreciate if

[39:13] you know just let us know that you know

[39:17] you're going to do that because you like

[39:19] say I had I know you don't know who my

[39:22] neighbor is. So,

[39:23] >> Oh, yeah.

[39:25] Uh, hey jumped out of stri that. So

[39:28] >> yes,

[39:29] >> thanks.

[39:29] >> You bet.

[39:31] >> On that, Billy. In addition, they came

[39:32] back with a

[39:35] appropriate rebuttal ladder on certain

[39:38] items.

[39:38] >> Yeah.

[39:39] >> And

[39:43] I would think that we need we should

[39:44] address that and come up with some

[39:46] options that are available. That's

[39:48] having people come and walk through your

[39:51] yard.

[39:54] might be hard for some people and to

[39:57] have people urinating in front of your

[39:59] house with children is not acceptable,

[40:02] >> right? Um, so there we may need to

[40:06] come up with some different options that

[40:08] we can utilize.

[40:10] >> Well, anytime you know that we hear that or see that, you know,

[40:16] we basically, [clears throat] you know,

[40:18] make them leave the course, you know.

[40:21] Um,

[40:22] the

[40:27] I mean it's like retrieving their balls.

[40:29] I mean, the ones that have fences, you

[40:32] know, um, you know, a lot of them don't

[40:35] have fences and stuff. I mean, if if if

[40:38] they call us and stuff, you know,

[40:40] willing to do this, we can um,

[40:45] you know, a lot of them like I read that

[40:47] letter, too. A lot of them, you know,

[40:49] the the walls in their houses and that,

[40:53] you know, it's kind of up to them to put

[40:55] nets up and stuff. I mean, a lot of it

[40:58] is I mean, we can do what we can, you

[41:02] know, but um they got to offer and let

[41:05] us know. I mean, that some of that's the

[41:07] first time I've ever heard that. I mean,

[41:09] we got portaots out there. We got

[41:12] bathrooms out there. Um, you know,

[41:17] they just got to communicate with us and

[41:20] we'll we'll help them as much as we can.

[41:22] >> Great.

[41:24] didn't bring that up and I'm sure it's

[41:25] problem faced nationwide.

[41:27] >> Yeah,

[41:28] >> thank you.

[41:37] » Please Shan Cooper

[41:44] sorry

[41:47] we need

[41:48] stage. Thank you

[41:53] and

[41:54] Build

[42:17] it.

[42:23] Okay. Well, this is kind of the breakdown that I

[42:28] sent out here last week to you. I hope

[42:30] hopefully you received that and went

[42:32] through it.

[42:34] I guess first of all, um I apologize for

[42:37] any misunderstanding during the last few

[42:40] weeks as to what this total project's

[42:42] going to cause

[42:44] in the future. I'll make every every

[42:47] effort to include this kind of as a

[42:49] break time even when they're dealing

[42:52] with bids and contracts. It's dealing

[42:55] specifically with the work being done.

[42:58] But Mr. gravity through loud and clear

[43:01] on these projects. We'll make sure that

[43:03] show us front end what we're estimating

[43:05] as far as what you know design costs are

[43:09] and construction in this just so

[43:11] everybody understands the bottom line

[43:13] what what is this cost. So

[43:18] apologize for the you know successive

[43:21] weeks of having to deal with this. Um I did break it out so you all understand

[43:27] what this is going to cost. Um I did

[43:30] have it kind of broke down like that. It

[43:32] was I guess a little bit more messy

[43:34] because of that whole project costs as

[43:37] far as option A plus the base bid was

[43:40] the base bid only. So that's where we're

[43:44] at. Um I guess carrying [clears throat]

[43:48] that further the shade contract I

[43:51] reached out to Tangi let know our

[43:53] situation that this meeting was going to

[43:55] be happening Tuesday and they agreed to

[43:58] stick with the same go that we've had

[44:00] since January. So there's no adjustments

[44:03] to that we had previously in January.

[44:07] Um so the numbers all still you know are

[44:11] indicated on this on this tab sheet. Um

[44:15] and I understand

[44:17] you know this what what I indicated

[44:19] there was what we had into design

[44:22] engineering which was has been the paid

[44:24] board up through the end of life

[44:27] and what

[44:29] you know what we would have for a budget

[44:31] we're dealing with as far as

[44:32] construction goes to the close out

[44:35] >> that 86,000 that been paid already.

[44:38] >> Yes.

[44:41] in the project.

[44:46] I do have a signed agreement back from

[44:49] teleractors for the $921,735.

[44:53] Um, I did submit that agreement in the

[44:56] entire project manual to uh Clayton's

[44:59] office for review. Um, it did review and

[45:02] hope to them. So,

[45:17] questions.

[45:19] >> I got one of them. I mean, so at one

[45:21] time he's talking about the extra

[45:23] supports for that roof that's brought

[45:25] up. Is that all been talked about

[45:27] covering

[45:29] >> for the roof the the shade system?

[45:31] >> Yes.

[45:32] >> Yeah. So we've we've got we've got money

[45:35] in Teletractor's account for having

[45:39] because we're basically once we get the

[45:41] engineering back from the shade company

[45:43] and they say this is what we're going to

[45:44] need for the sports we have got money in

[45:47] the contract set aside for that 25,000

[45:51] is part of the patellacctor's bid may

[45:54] not need all of that that's basically

[45:56] the set aside to account for extra

[45:58] concrete work.

[46:04] But with project getting a phase one

[46:07] taken out of it or back

[46:11] your $85,000 engineering fee that that's

[46:15] adjusted down to the current project.

[46:18] Yes.

[46:26] this point in time, we're looking for

[46:28] approval for denial of the

[46:32] additional $200,000. We've approved the

[46:35] last meeting um

[46:39] and then $21,735.

[46:44] Mr. Chairman, I made a motion patiently

[46:46] looked at Skype about including the rest

[46:50] of the costs. So after throwing out

[46:53] there to approve this project 1 1,126,18

[47:02] motion second have a motion and a

[47:06] second. Any further discussion?

[47:10] All in favor?

[47:13] >> Oppos?

[47:16] » We get two on that please. Motion pass.

[47:20] Thank you, Commissioners.

[47:39] priority.

[47:54] » Hey, good morning, commissioners. How

[47:56] are you? Good. Um, I'll be brief just to

[47:59] try to get through the report, but it's

[48:00] just my standard monthly report. you

[48:02] guys have in front of you. Our budget's

[48:04] about in alignment with the percentage

[48:06] of year used with percentage of budget

[48:08] expenditures. A little formula that ML's

[48:11] done a great job to track down a couple

[48:13] of grants to help pay for the wildland

[48:15] fire um shelters that that we brought to

[48:19] your attention a few months ago. So,

[48:20] we're in the process of purchasing those

[48:23] shelters as we speak. Um last month,

[48:26] there were 16 calls total. You'll see

[48:27] the breakdown in in each of the

[48:29] stations. No open fire investigations,

[48:32] uh, no public education, uh,

[48:34] presentations presented in in February.

[48:37] Our firewise programs continuing to go

[48:38] strong. You can see all the activities

[48:40] that that Josie has been working on. Uh,

[48:43] no smoke detector installations last

[48:45] month. Training is going strong. Our our

[48:48] annual recruit academy is uh in full

[48:51] swing. They they've been using the the

[48:53] uh fire train facility basically over

[48:55] the weekend.

[48:57] a lot of other activities and trainings

[48:59] going on down there. Um,

[49:03] and focusing on hazmat first aid CPR

[49:05] training. We did just finish every 5

[49:08] years. Uh, we're required to complete a

[49:11] uh structural assessment of the fire

[49:14] training facility to make sure that it's

[49:15] not uh, you know, falling down around

[49:17] our ears basically and that it's safe to

[49:20] uh, conduct live fire training in there.

[49:21] So, we just completed doing that that

[49:23] 5year inspection. Uh everything came

[49:27] back just fine. There's some some minor

[49:29] maintenance issues, but uh no no no need

[49:31] for budget or anything to address it.

[49:33] Just a some minor paint touch-ups and a

[49:36] couple of doors that weren't closing

[49:38] correctly. It's minor issue there. Um

[49:40] and then beyond that, just regular

[49:42] voluntary service meetings and their

[49:45] coordinator, local, state, and federal

[49:46] partners and

[49:49] just the the volunteer hours and the

[49:51] additional activities the firef. So with

[49:54] that, I'm happy to stand for any

[49:55] questions.

[50:02] I want to ask a question that I was

[50:04] confused about earlier. sheriff leaders

[50:06] about

[50:10] curious

[50:14] in the radios purchased in the last

[50:16] couple of trips

[50:19] also works all over the country search

[50:21] and rescue for search and rescue had

[50:23] five air radios 2546

[50:27] fire had four of them 4270 so I know

[50:30] there has to be a different so what's

[50:33] the difference in the in the two two

[50:35] sets radio.

[50:38] >> Commissioner Bernard, I'm not prepared

[50:39] to speak to that right now. I don't have

[50:41] that invoice in front of me and I can't answer from memory what what the

[50:45] exact invoice was. Um, I can I can tell

[50:48] you that there's a uh a statewide

[50:52] um uh what's the word? I'm looking for a

[50:54] state

[50:56] plate and there's here um there's a

[51:00] uh shares what's the name of the the the

[51:03] contract that L3 Harris signed

[51:06] specifying the the lowest price

[51:08] available in the state of Wyoming for L3

[51:10] products

[51:10] >> through RCS? Yeah. just a local vendor

[51:14] price

[51:16] long or a public service gets a a

[51:19] discount um or the lowest price that

[51:22] they can guarantee.

[51:23] >> Yeah. And and Southern County receives

[51:25] that that benefit for emergency

[51:28] responders. So that they they are the

[51:32] chosen vendor from from the manufacturer

[51:34] from L3 Harris. The price that that we

[51:36] receive um is is their their published

[51:40] pricing for

[51:42] radios.

[51:45] I can't tell you, you know, what the

[51:46] sheriff's been purchasing for his radios

[51:48] and anything else. I can just tell you

[51:51] that, you know, what we purchased, but

[51:52] like I said, if um if you if you'd like

[51:54] me to review the the invoice, I I

[51:57] certainly can pull that invoice and come

[51:58] back next time and speak to you. I just

[52:01] want to say that we have this scheduled

[52:03] for next meeting. So, we'll just

[52:04] continue this path and move on to the

[52:06] next line.

[52:09] So we have it already on the next

[52:11] agenda. We'll cover it at that point.

[52:14] Thank you.

[52:17] Further questions.

[52:22] » Thank you.

[52:51] I come to ask for some help. Um,

[52:54] we live in the community or subdivision

[52:57] out here on 351. We got some issues out

[53:00] there with some people driving fast.

[53:03] uh talked to Casey about it. He said

[53:06] they could come out and they could give

[53:07] a ticket, but then the county county

[53:11] attorney would just throw it out. I need

[53:14] to find out what we've got to do where

[53:16] we can maybe enforce some of the laws

[53:19] out there. Uh help us out out there

[53:22] because this gentleman's he's a kid. Um

[53:27] rides 505 mph down our road out there.

[53:30] We've got families, young kids. stuff

[53:32] like that. So, we're just asking for

[53:35] some help from the county to find out

[53:37] what we can do to get this taken care

[53:39] of. We pay our taxes just like everybody

[53:42] else does and stuff. And no one thinks

[53:43] we should do the same

[53:46] benefit I guess as everybody else does

[53:48] except

[53:51] we're looking for some help. What we're

[53:53] looking for if you guys can give us any

[54:00] Yes, sir.

[54:04] Uh Clayton,

[54:07] » which road is it? Mr. Mr. Chairman sir

[54:11] road.

[54:22] Just pass back off to the north.

[54:27] » 351.

[54:28] >> Yes, sir.

[54:30] Oh, 351.

[54:40] » Yeah.

[54:41] >> Oh, I see.

[54:46] [clears throat]

[54:46] >> I'll have to look into potential

[54:48] enforcing issues and I can touch base

[54:50] with uh sheriff later and would circle

[54:52] back. But yes, in the event that it the question does come up whether or not

[54:57] you can enforce or not. Uh speed limits

[55:00] are only enforceable on public roads

[55:02] where there are speed studies that have

[55:03] been conducted. I can't speak to what

[55:07] this looks like. I I don't know. I'd

[55:10] have to do some research and get back to

[55:11] you. But in all likelihood, if it is a

[55:13] private road and it is maintained as a

[55:14] private road, uh there is no ability for

[55:18] traffic enforcement on a private road.

[55:20] Okay. So, what what do we have to do to

[55:22] get some kind of enforcement out there

[55:24] uh for this situation? I mean, you know,

[55:26] we're stuck out there by ourselves. Um

[55:29] we don't get nothing from the county.

[55:30] It's private road. I take care of the

[55:32] road most of the time. Um you know, so I

[55:35] need what can we do to get some help out

[55:38] there for the community and for our

[55:40] little community out there. There's

[55:42] quite a few folks out there that are

[55:43] living there and stuff. Um and and you

[55:46] know we kind of like where we're doing

[55:48] where we're living at and stuff. But you

[55:50] know again we get back to you know the

[55:52] growth stuff's not the issue. It's the

[55:54] being able to force a speed limit when

[55:56] you got a man that we've asked numerous

[55:58] times

[56:00] to slow down to try to keep you know

[56:03] from somebody getting hurt or a cow from

[56:04] getting hit or a horse from getting hit

[56:06] or something like that. But yet we can't

[56:08] get no no no help from our our county or

[56:11] our sheriff's department. That's kind of

[56:13] ridiculous on my part. I think anyway,

[56:15] you know, we pay taxes instead for for

[56:18] this to live here. So, you know, Mr.

[56:22] Chairman, sir, how about we have a

[56:25] conversation after me to talk through

[56:27] [clears throat]

[56:27] exactly what this all looks like and and

[56:29] some of those steps that you need to do.

[56:31] Again, I'd have to do some research on

[56:32] the plots and figure out exactly what

[56:35] the status of the road is and everything

[56:37] else before I can fully answer those

[56:39] questions.

[56:39] >> Sure.

[56:42] I'd like to piggy back on that partic

[56:47] also. It's not maintained by the county

[56:50] and I recognize notably the county to

[56:52] maintain it for me. I have to bring it

[56:54] up to county specifications as a class

[56:56] one road. Go through the expense of that

[56:59] plus uh the appropriate easements right

[57:03] away on the sides of the road. Um, and

[57:06] in order for me to do that,

[57:09] it would be up to the land owners to put

[57:11] that cost. All the land owners would

[57:14] have to give an easement to do that. And

[57:16] once that's brought up, at that point in

[57:18] time, I could have that road.

[57:22] I experienced the same thing as as you

[57:24] do. I lost a dog here several weeks ago

[57:27] and the person speeding through and they

[57:29] didn't even have the decency to stop.

[57:32] So, I I recognize what you're going

[57:34] through.

[57:36] But if there were something that I could

[57:39] do in regards to my role, I can't. But I

[57:43] would share that with you if that makes

[57:45] sense.

[57:46] I pay taxes just the same as you and

[57:48] everyone else on the road. And we're

[57:50] just kind of those areas that there's no

[57:53] solution unless we

[57:56] purchased it that way and it wasn't

[57:58] developed in the subdivision. That's

[58:00] what we have to accept. Right.

[58:03] >> And I'm not trying to be callous about

[58:04] being nobody.

[58:05] >> I understand that. But and I'm not

[58:07] worried about the road. I'm not here for

[58:09] the road stuff. I'm more worried about a

[58:11] young young kid or something get run

[58:14] over out there because some jack can't,

[58:16] you know, slow down and obey the laws

[58:18] and stuff.

[58:20] I don't want that to happen. Period. You

[58:22] know, I used to dig holes in front of my

[58:25] uh yard there. So people would remorse

[58:27] and slow down

[58:30] as that seems

[58:32] >> Mr. J.

[58:34] >> So and I understand Marvin we've talked

[58:35] about this and I goofed you up last time

[58:37] remember on the meeting. Uh but you know

[58:42] the sheriff's office will go onto

[58:44] private property and do things you know

[58:46] and I I'd like to know what the

[58:48] difference is you know on your private

[58:51] property or going on a private residence

[58:53] to investigate something. So there has

[58:56] to be some kind of coverage per say

[58:59] hopefully

[59:01] can work some out.

[59:03] >> Well, and that's when I asking these

[59:04] questions, you know, because we're a

[59:05] lost out there, you know, and this has

[59:07] been going on quite a bit. The young man

[59:09] has since moved on, so it's not so bad

[59:12] right now, but there for about a year

[59:14] and a half, it was it was a problem, you

[59:17] know, and I'm talking this this kid

[59:19] running 50 55 mph. There should be 20,

[59:23] you know, and so we need some help. We

[59:26] do, you know, be more than happy to meet

[59:29] with the county commissioner or county

[59:32] attorney and see what we can do out

[59:34] there on that, you know, we need some

[59:36] help out there.

[59:40] >> Can I say something please? the first

[59:42] mile that JLE would you come to the mic

[59:46] say

[59:47] thank you

[59:50] » from the highway down to to the first

[59:55] mile

[59:56] >> your name please

[59:57] >> Bill Hawker

[59:57] >> thank you

[59:58] >> William

[59:59] >> Hawker

[1:00:01] the first mile of BLM is that considered

[1:00:04] private or public

[1:00:08] >> federal federal roads can be made uh so

[1:00:11] they're maintained under

[1:00:14] the regulations and maintenance.

[1:00:18] >> I I was more referring to being able to

[1:00:20] write a ticket and get it to stick.

[1:00:26] » I was taking BLM road.

[1:00:32] » Mr. Chairman, let me keep looking at

[1:00:33] this. That would be that would actually

[1:00:35] depend on the easement and whether or

[1:00:37] not it's exclusive or not exclusive.

[1:00:40] I don't know, but I'm happy to get some.

[1:00:47] Thank you.

[1:00:47] >> Thanks, guys. Thank you.

[1:01:06] Good morning.

[1:01:12] Um,

[1:01:15] all right. So, I just have a few updates

[1:01:18] here. I did receive an update from Andre

[1:01:22] regarding the proposal for the

[1:01:23] renovation of the Broom from

[1:01:25] Jorgensson's. Uh, Jorgensson's came back

[1:01:27] said it was at least going to be 50,000

[1:01:32] including the data wiring that I had a

[1:01:34] proposal done for as well. that was came

[1:01:36] in at 10,000. So, a file room at the

[1:01:40] attorney's office to renovate would be

[1:01:41] at least 60,000.

[1:01:45] >> Um, and in regards to the side size of

[1:01:47] that room,

[1:01:49] >> uh, the size of the room,

[1:01:51] it's almost a lateral, right? I mean,

[1:01:55] the one thing that we do get out of that

[1:01:57] is we get room for me and my staff to,

[1:02:02] but we're still limited on storage.

[1:02:04] We're still limited on on a lab area and

[1:02:06] that's something I'm already kind of

[1:02:08] discovering in the office I'm currently

[1:02:10] at. I have one little desk in there and

[1:02:13] that's all you can fit that I can

[1:02:15] utilize to troubleshoot peripheral

[1:02:17] devices, um, reimage computers, things

[1:02:21] like that. I guess what that limits me

[1:02:23] to is I can only work on one thing at a

[1:02:25] time.

[1:02:27] with the lab area. I'm hoping that I can

[1:02:30] work on we get a shipment of new

[1:02:32] computers, things like that. I can

[1:02:34] reimage five six of them at once. Also

[1:02:37] working on some networking projects.

[1:02:40] Um I think that would speed up my

[1:02:42] abilities within the county to provide

[1:02:44] better service to our to our to the

[1:02:46] staff members within the county.

[1:02:51] » I also wanted to follow up with the

[1:02:53] gentleman regarding the uh the modular

[1:02:56] trailer.

[1:02:57] Uh the estimated cost is 82 $82,282.

[1:03:03] Um I did add some skirting on it and

[1:03:06] that brought it up a couple thousand

[1:03:08] dollar. Um

[1:03:11] additional cost for that would be the

[1:03:12] hookups for power, water, sewer, and

[1:03:16] internet.

[1:03:18] I think those would be mitigated. The

[1:03:21] only one that I didn't see that would be

[1:03:23] a uh kind of an endeavor I guess would

[1:03:28] be the the internet while the right

[1:03:31] there it will be a recurring revenue or

[1:03:33] a recurring fee excuse me

[1:03:40] Mr.

[1:03:41] So on that you'd have that 10,000 too,

[1:03:43] wouldn't you put the stuff over there?

[1:03:45] You send any we have to the county

[1:03:47] attorney's office that extra fee for the

[1:03:51] set of

[1:03:52] >> Yeah. So would it be on top of that

[1:03:54] price there you gave us on the trailer

[1:03:56] and stuff?

[1:03:56] >> That would be on top of that price.

[1:03:59] >> I mean you added in

[1:04:00] >> that's just the trailer. I haven't got a

[1:04:02] price yet for the well actually I

[1:04:08] it would be between 675 and 800 a month

[1:04:14] for the internet connection for the

[1:04:16] pointto point

[1:04:18] and that that's based off of what I've

[1:04:20] seen from union and every other

[1:04:21] department and how they're currently

[1:04:23] priced.

[1:04:29] Guess the big difference. Now I can go

[1:04:31] with the the smaller of the two which is

[1:04:33] a 158

[1:04:35] pointto-point pipe just for the internet

[1:04:37] connection.

[1:04:41] » Excuse me.

[1:04:41] >> Yes. 10,000 to get wiring into that.

[1:04:44] [clears throat]

[1:04:44] >> Oh, into the into the filing room.

[1:04:48] >> I think it's actually when I had the

[1:04:51] trailer spec they will wire it for me.

[1:04:53] So that's all included.

[1:04:59] So then we're looking at 82,000 plus the

[1:05:02] skirting. Is that the extent?

[1:05:04] >> Yeah, that's

[1:05:06] I realized that after our last meeting

[1:05:08] probably wanted to cover the tires

[1:05:13] that

[1:05:15] >> um I know Road and Bridge has

[1:05:18] volunteered some of their time. I talked

[1:05:20] to Blake about the water hookups, things

[1:05:23] like that. So I I believe we'd be able

[1:05:26] to get Andre the assistance with

[1:05:29] >> Yeah. totally cost.

[1:05:30] >> So does that trailer

[1:05:33] where it's all done and you're just

[1:05:35] doing point of connection for sewer and

[1:05:37] water?

[1:05:38] >> That's that's my understanding sink has

[1:05:40] to be plumbed. Every toilet has to be

[1:05:43] plumbed. to my understanding is we just

[1:05:46] have to hook up the plumbing

[1:05:50] a little.

[1:05:54] » Okay.

[1:05:56] When could this

[1:05:58] unit be up and functional?

[1:06:01] >> They will have it ready. I placed the

[1:06:03] order. They said they can have it ready

[1:06:04] in 30 days.

[1:06:06] >> Okay. When does time start?

[1:06:08] >> Time starts April 1st.

[1:06:13] Leila IL

[1:06:16] what are you going to do with him

[1:06:19] between April 1st and perhaps if this

[1:06:22] comes in

[1:06:23] >> Leila Illoway I need to speak to her

[1:06:25] again. I was just waiting till after

[1:06:27] this meeting but uh she had said that

[1:06:30] she had a spare cubicle in the planning

[1:06:32] and zoning office

[1:06:34] that we would probably make his new home

[1:06:37] temporarily.

[1:06:39] Obviously, that's not a working solution

[1:06:41] for a long time, but it would give them

[1:06:43] a place to set up a computer, a phone,

[1:06:46] and actually be able to do some work and store files.

[1:06:55] Um, discussion on mov.

[1:07:02] I've never been for the idea of the

[1:07:03] trailers. I've seen schools use them set

[1:07:05] up and they're just a problem. I mean,

[1:07:07] it's not a permanent thing. Even what

[1:07:10] sounds like it,

[1:07:12] you know, that's going to take up part

[1:07:13] of that parking lot. We call it those

[1:07:15] people across the street, put our

[1:07:17] maintenance vehicles over there, you

[1:07:19] know, I mean, it's

[1:07:22] that's all I'd like to say just and and

[1:07:26] I recognize that and debating it. We

[1:07:30] need to come out with an option because

[1:07:31] again, no one has come forward with any

[1:07:33] options. And in this regard, it goes

[1:07:35] back three maybe four months. We've been

[1:07:37] talking about shoot reality goes back a

[1:07:40] year and a half when uh your predecessor

[1:07:43] was instructed to hire an assistant in

[1:07:49] 24 and it was brought up again last

[1:07:52] summer approved in her budget to hire

[1:07:54] someone. Um

[1:07:57] at that point in time both time periods

[1:08:02] we had to cross the bridge of where to

[1:08:04] put them

[1:08:06] but we haven't done anything to resolve

[1:08:08] that other than down the road we're at

[1:08:10] the point where we have an individual

[1:08:12] coming in

[1:08:13] >> and can basically came to the can't go

[1:08:17] any further. We need to do something as

[1:08:19] a as a commission to do it and

[1:08:25] But there's no viable options.

[1:08:27] >> Well, the county's got possibilities. I

[1:08:30] mean, I still think we need to pursue

[1:08:32] say trailer is a temporary fix. They

[1:08:35] never made to be a permanent fix and

[1:08:39] it's going to cost more than projected

[1:08:41] here to get it all hooked up instead of

[1:08:44] the city. So, anyway, I mean, it's okay.

[1:08:46] I'm against it, but I'm

[1:08:48] >> and I recognize that the problem that I

[1:08:51] have and I've been chasing this for

[1:08:52] months is no one can come up with any

[1:08:54] options for me. I'm going I'd love to

[1:08:57] add um

[1:09:00] Oh, out of Weeden Pest, see if we could

[1:09:04] uh

[1:09:09] put you out there in Steve Kips building

[1:09:12] and make some adjustments.

[1:09:14] and it's not big enough to share. I

[1:09:18] don't think Billy has any room over to

[1:09:20] his right

[1:09:24] to be somewhere.

[1:09:27] >> Correct. So, but that's what we're

[1:09:30] looking at is and you're correct finding

[1:09:33] other buildings but haven't been able to

[1:09:35] locate it and then for the purpose of

[1:09:38] the work

[1:09:41] rest

[1:09:47] over here in one of these small

[1:09:49] buildings

[1:09:52] to that I do I do agree with

[1:09:54] Commissioner Bradley. I'd really like to

[1:09:56] be centralized so I can provide better

[1:09:59] support. I do I I understand the

[1:10:01] logistics and and the struggles we're

[1:10:03] having here at the same um

[1:10:08] the

[1:10:09] extension office that was the temporary

[1:10:13] attorney's office years ago.

[1:10:16] Um, it's a module. Same same thing I'm

[1:10:19] looking at.

[1:10:21] And I I know we're still using that, I

[1:10:26] guess, is my point. But I I I know a

[1:10:30] trailer is not the optimal solution for

[1:10:33] this. But at the same time, I feel like

[1:10:37] especially getting my first week under

[1:10:39] me, that it's something that we need to

[1:10:43] find a space that suits us so we can

[1:10:45] succeed in this position and move

[1:10:47] forward to a better IT department by

[1:10:50] better service

[1:10:53] and having opposite offices and confined

[1:10:57] to a office the size of a closet.

[1:11:00] It's not the right solution long term.

[1:11:04] Granted, I'll I'll do whatever you guys

[1:11:06] want me to do. Commissioner White hit

[1:11:08] the nail on the head

[1:11:11] courthouse

[1:11:14] everyone in one facility

[1:11:17] and that discussion

[1:11:19] probably sooner than later but in the

[1:11:21] interim it does not alleviate the issue

[1:11:24] that you have probably

[1:11:32] everything there that's pretty cheap

[1:11:34] square you

[1:11:44] Is there

[1:11:48] » are you making a motion please?

[1:11:54] » These other two take first.

[1:11:55] >> Sure.

[1:11:57] >> I think this is the best option we have

[1:11:59] in front of us right now. So the mandate

[1:12:02] that's going to get us through who knows

[1:12:04] for how long that we're going to have to

[1:12:06] do it.

[1:12:14] There was some discussion

[1:12:17] for the visitor center that went away

[1:12:19] now. I thought that was something shant.

[1:12:35] area.

[1:12:38] >> Would

[1:12:45] you

[1:12:49] release?

[1:13:03] No, I understand that. But I understood

[1:13:05] Clayton said

[1:13:08] she was going to move out there. Yes.

[1:13:15] That's why I just ask

[1:13:18] for

[1:13:21] only being here for a short period of

[1:13:22] time.

[1:13:24] >> I know.

[1:13:32] Sorry to interrupt, but I didn't know if

[1:13:34] you had any opportunity to have a

[1:13:37] conversation with the upstairs office at

[1:13:41] the visitor center to find out the

[1:13:43] status of that.

[1:13:44] >> Um, I did on Friday and I just haven't

[1:13:45] had a chance to relay it to relay it to

[1:13:48] you. Um, that tenant is happy as a

[1:13:52] client right there.

[1:13:55] >> That accomplishes it. Thank you. Okay.

[1:13:57] >> Appreciate it. That's all I need.

[1:14:00] Yes sir.

[1:14:01] >> Okay.

[1:14:06] So

[1:14:08] great question.

[1:14:10] always knew that term

[1:14:21] [clears throat] I don't know about the

[1:14:22] trailer

[1:14:24] agreement with commissioner Stevens

[1:14:27] that thing bunch of issues

[1:14:31] you set it up there first thing you're

[1:14:33] going to have to screw it you're going

[1:14:35] to have to go out

[1:14:38] and all fit in together So at some point

[1:14:41] we're talking 85 90,000 jumps up to 154

[1:14:47] done and right now we're going to end up

[1:14:51] if it's there we're going to end up with

[1:14:54] folks that they parked in there

[1:14:57] that's going to go

[1:15:00] to that push

[1:15:05] I guess

[1:15:09] I'm not in favor of it from the

[1:15:11] standpoint of think there's going to be

[1:15:14] temporary for about that and then what

[1:15:16] are you going to do after that you're

[1:15:18] going to make that move again some place

[1:15:21] it's going to have to be centralized

[1:15:27] what's what's what are the options

[1:15:31] or

[1:15:32] squeeze closer together. I don't know.

[1:15:40] Unfortunately, no one's come up with a

[1:15:42] viable option and that's where we were

[1:15:44] at this point.

[1:15:47] [clears throat]

[1:15:48] Well, there could be one other Mr.

[1:15:50] Chairman, there'd be one other option

[1:15:52] here in the courthouse.

[1:15:55] This will get a lot of place

[1:15:59] the break room that the employees have

[1:16:01] there. We can downsize that

[1:16:04] some place else there. There's a spot

[1:16:07] too

[1:16:09] all that opened up in conjunction with

[1:16:13] the existing IT office substance.

[1:16:23] I will see that

[1:16:28] but it's right there. The move is where

[1:16:30] it is. I mean then what we to one

[1:16:33] individual or two how can we work with

[1:16:37] the other 25

[1:16:41] I don't know maybe we just have to come

[1:16:42] to an agreement to get along with

[1:16:44] someone instead of everybody having

[1:16:45] their own way. That could be an option

[1:16:47] too about the commission about that too.

[1:16:58] » Yeah, we've

[1:17:02] at a point where is it an option or not?

[1:17:06] I make a motion

[1:17:08] for a while to research.

[1:17:12] >> I'm ready to move forward with this. So,

[1:17:13] Mr. Chairman, I make uh I'll move to

[1:17:17] approve Craig um to set this office

[1:17:21] project up with a full cap of 110,000

[1:17:25] should you have to go over 110,000 go

[1:17:28] back and have a conversation with us

[1:17:30] before anything else happens

[1:17:34] motion and second is there any further

[1:17:38] discussion

[1:17:42] I have to look at it We ourel this

[1:17:45] corner

[1:17:52] we put ourselves in this corner. We had

[1:17:55] been two years as our commission. We

[1:17:57] haven't shame shame on us. Um

[1:18:04] and

[1:18:05] the IT position is

[1:18:08] oh basically the heartbeat of what we do

[1:18:11] is if that system goes down

[1:18:14] the

[1:18:16] activators can't get the bang for their

[1:18:19] buck that they need from the offices

[1:18:23] and everything.

[1:18:27] Well, when I said moving in the break

[1:18:30] room, I guess what I should say was

[1:18:35] because the break room could still be

[1:18:36] smaller, which it would be into the

[1:18:38] current it

[1:18:41] then would be bigger into the break

[1:18:43] room, which it is, but I suspect until

[1:18:47] there's better option other than the

[1:18:50] trailer that could be

[1:18:56] moved. is very large.

[1:19:00] >> Thank you.

[1:19:02] care to address that?

[1:19:06] » Yes. Um

[1:19:08] I I understand again the dilemma we're

[1:19:11] in

[1:19:13] this space the current state of the

[1:19:15] county.

[1:19:18] Break room. I know that's not going to

[1:19:19] be a popular one. Number one. Number

[1:19:22] two, it doesn't address the lab and it

[1:19:24] doesn't address my storage issues. Every

[1:19:27] communication room in the county is

[1:19:29] bumped full of junk stuff that I'm

[1:19:32] trying to get a plan to hopefully

[1:19:37] do like a buyback program. I'm

[1:19:38] understanding that they there are

[1:19:40] companies that buy back retired

[1:19:41] equipment. Something that I could

[1:19:43] hopefully make some additional revenue

[1:19:46] back to the county with while getting

[1:19:47] rid of this stuff. Um, I I need a

[1:19:50] storage area for that. I need it for an

[1:19:53] inventory. It's It's a lot. You know,

[1:19:57] there's what, 193 desktops in the

[1:20:00] county. And at any time, I have probably

[1:20:03] 20 in that little office I'm in right

[1:20:05] now. That's just the one I'm working on

[1:20:08] that I'm inheriting. So,

[1:20:12] the the storage is a big deal. The lab's

[1:20:15] a big deal.

[1:20:19] I understand the trailer as a temporary

[1:20:21] solution, but I think that's for me.

[1:20:24] I'll do whatever you guys want. I'll

[1:20:26] happily do it. That that's the that's

[1:20:29] the one that gives me the opportunity to

[1:20:30] succeed in this.

[1:20:34] Thank you. Thank

[1:20:38] any further discussion

[1:20:41] just to comment to [clears throat]

[1:20:47] flip the break room to his office. Now,

[1:20:51] you cannot put the sink in there.

[1:20:52] There's no sewer in that corner of the

[1:20:54] building. like where clerks in the

[1:20:56] bathroom is, all that sewer runs out

[1:20:59] through the sally port and then

[1:21:01] everything in the jail and everything

[1:21:02] else out runs out the other way. So that

[1:21:05] little corner of the building where all

[1:21:07] three buildings got tied together, there

[1:21:09] is no sewer. It would be astronomical to

[1:21:12] try to get a sink put in his old office

[1:21:16] and flip the blank.

[1:21:18] >> Thank you. I appreciate it.

[1:21:22] >> Mr. chairman tries to pay the comments.

[1:21:27] I already measured that that trailer

[1:21:30] bill. It's not going to block any of the

[1:21:33] parking mess any of the

[1:21:37] food trucks. It's it's in that back

[1:21:39] corner over by the title place um where

[1:21:43] the other trailer sat for I don't know

[1:21:46] how many years I was there where the

[1:21:47] attorneys were. It's um it it ain't

[1:21:50] going to mess with any of Audrey's

[1:21:52] parking or any of the deputies and the

[1:21:55] detention where they park there. It's no

[1:21:59] one parks where this is. Um also on the

[1:22:02] trailers there's sealed bottoms so all

[1:22:04] the all the water lines that are in the

[1:22:07] floor. So long as you have skirting

[1:22:10] around it burn

[1:22:14] and I mean you can

[1:22:19] off the state for many years. Um I just

[1:22:23] want to throw that before you lay bill.

[1:22:25] So and now hasn't been a problem this

[1:22:29] year but for every year it's always

[1:22:31] brought up and in the past it's how

[1:22:33] everybody filed their snow exactly where

[1:22:35] the trailer's going to be. hotel, you

[1:22:38] have to haul it out. Now, what that's

[1:22:40] going to be an issue down the road, that

[1:22:42] trailer, where's that snow going to be

[1:22:44] piled?

[1:22:44] >> It's I mean, they're just going to have

[1:22:46] to, you know, probably plow it on, you

[1:22:49] know, on down.

[1:22:51] >> I mean, the county puts snow there, too,

[1:22:52] from that thought. You know, it's not

[1:22:54] just that, but I mean, it's been an

[1:22:57] issue brought up every year, but I think

[1:22:59] snow

[1:23:00] >> and we always haul it off. Yeah. I mean

[1:23:02] they're they're gonna have you know

[1:23:04] they're gonna have to I mean there is

[1:23:07] quite a bit of space you know I mean um

[1:23:11] but yeah I mean the snow you know

[1:23:13] they're going to have to figure out it's

[1:23:15] kind of hotel pushes all their snow

[1:23:17] >> but everybody gets you know I'm just the

[1:23:20] hotel talked about has to be hauled off

[1:23:23] and stuff is our snow their snow right

[1:23:26] it's all whatever piles

[1:23:35] think we have to do all the snow at the

[1:23:36] clubhouse. It will be a little bit of a

[1:23:38] challenge, but really I think we just

[1:23:40] flip the pile instead of putting it the

[1:23:42] other corner and we can put it over by

[1:23:44] the power pole on that corner so that

[1:23:46] the cleaning crew can all still back

[1:23:48] out. And if anything, you might just

[1:23:50] have to come get snow a little bit more.

[1:23:52] But you guys get snow so quick anyways

[1:23:54] that it'll be a little bit the motel

[1:23:57] will be the most affected which by right

[1:24:00] they're supposed to keep their snow on

[1:24:01] their property anyways.

[1:24:02] >> So that'll be something we'll address

[1:24:04] them and tell them they can't.

[1:24:07] >> You can tell them they can't.

[1:24:08] >> No, I'm just saying. I mean it's if it's

[1:24:10] snowing it's a problem for us.

[1:24:12] >> Yeah. I mean it it wouldn't I think

[1:24:15] Harvard did that for him this year. I

[1:24:18] mean, it wouldn't be that hard for him

[1:24:19] to come down the alley and put it where

[1:24:21] I think we're going to put the pile like

[1:24:23] we always have. If you're still okay

[1:24:25] with that, but we can make the snow

[1:24:28] work, but we can't.

[1:24:33] » Thank you, buddy.

[1:24:35] >> Thank you, Billy.

[1:24:39] » Okay, we'll close this to public

[1:24:41] comment. Any further questions,

[1:24:44] discussions in this regard?

[1:24:46] have a motion in a second. Um

[1:24:52] with the uh proposal as presented with

[1:24:55] the cap of $110,000 to be fully

[1:24:58] functional

[1:25:03] further and close it to a question and

[1:25:06] debate. Um, all those in favor of

[1:25:10] I

[1:25:11] >> IO name.

[1:25:15] >> I'm going to go along with it, but I

[1:25:17] really got reservations because I don't

[1:25:19] see this staying with you very long for

[1:25:21] very long. But I'm I'm going to tell you just like this other deal we got pretty

[1:25:30] bad. The stuff I thought was 920,000.

[1:25:34] We're thinking that's 110,000. I

[1:25:36] guarantee you it won't be that. And what

[1:25:38] will happen is we'll get into it, come

[1:25:40] back and say, "Well, you know, it's only

[1:25:42] going to cost another 35,000 and we're

[1:25:44] already into 110." So, what option do we

[1:25:47] have? We're going to okay it. So, if we

[1:25:51] stick to it, guarantee it won't get done

[1:25:54] at 110 as long way it works in this

[1:25:57] world today. Unfortunately,

[1:26:03] we found

[1:26:04] challenged me accept.

[1:26:14] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:26:15] >> Thank you, Commissioner.

[1:26:20] Quick. Uh, okay. So, our schedule is as

[1:26:24] follows. Uh, quick break and we have

[1:26:28] Mesa

[1:26:29] And

[1:26:31] uh we can bump the procurement policy

[1:26:33] into the afternoon because of a time

[1:26:36] we're have an 11:30 lunch commitment for

[1:26:39] we're at the senior center the seniors

[1:26:42] there for their

[1:26:44] corn beef and cabbage I think

[1:26:49] I'd like to see the senior citizens

[1:26:50] while I'm down here and then um of

[1:26:53] course what we want to do is u we have

[1:26:55] the golf course restaurant prior to that

[1:26:58] 10 minute break back here in

[1:27:03] 11 at 10:48

[1:27:22] is Mason. the caring please.

[1:27:34] » Thank you chairman commissioners. My

[1:27:36] name is Carla Cely. I've been the

[1:27:37] director of Mesa for 14 years since its

[1:27:39] inception. This is Aaron Casey. She's

[1:27:42] also a board member. Um, and also in

[1:27:44] with us we have Stacy Jones who's our

[1:27:46] fair who's one of our little writers and

[1:27:48] we have family here who's also part of

[1:27:51] our Mesa Mesa program and Becky Crow,

[1:27:53] sorry I didn't speak [laughter]

[1:27:56] Becky Crow is also a new member of our

[1:27:57] board and a volunteer.

[1:28:00] Um, just a quick start, Mesa, we started

[1:28:02] in June of 2012 um with some startup

[1:28:05] funding given to us by the county. Um,

[1:28:08] we've been a mobile operation from day

[1:28:10] one. Um, we have spent our all of our

[1:28:14] years bouncing around from private

[1:28:15] property to private property wherever we

[1:28:17] could could have lessons and who was

[1:28:19] gracious enough to let us be there. We

[1:28:21] have always pastured our horses on

[1:28:23] private property as well as least. We

[1:28:25] don't have anything of our own except

[1:28:26] for our horse trailer and our truck. Um,

[1:28:29] and people have been very generous to

[1:28:31] let us let us do that over the years. Um

[1:28:33] and and we had a pre program when we

[1:28:36] were uh able to be down in Boulder River

[1:28:39] Ranch there, but still technically we

[1:28:41] were a mobile mobile operation. Um we

[1:28:45] really appreciate that the rodeo grounds

[1:28:47] and the fairgrounds have allowed us to

[1:28:48] use their facilities. Um there have been

[1:28:51] uh moments where we've been able to be

[1:28:53] kind of gone from our programming type

[1:28:54] of other community activities. Um and uh

[1:28:57] there are times when um in our public

[1:29:00] facilities that this

[1:29:03] the the population that we serve,

[1:29:05] there's some sensitivity to sensory

[1:29:07] issues. And so if we are in like a

[1:29:09] really busy days like the fairgrounds

[1:29:10] are super busy, it's it's pretty

[1:29:12] difficult to have um lessons sometimes

[1:29:14] on those days because of the sensory

[1:29:16] issues in the environment.

[1:29:18] Um we have been sustainable financially

[1:29:22] um from day one. We we got the startup

[1:29:25] money and we still have um feel like

[1:29:27] we've done really well. we're trying to

[1:29:29] set aside some money so that someday

[1:29:30] when we do get our own our own land or

[1:29:32] our own permanent facility that we will

[1:29:34] be able to build an indoor barn. Um but

[1:29:37] with the rising prices of the land, we

[1:29:38] just feel like we we can't find a

[1:29:40] location near town that's affordable

[1:29:42] right now. And with that, I'll go ahead

[1:29:44] and let you talk.

[1:29:46] >> Yeah. So, thanks Carla. I'm going to

[1:29:48] talk a little bit about the process that

[1:29:49] has led us to come before you today with

[1:29:51] this request. So, I started volunteering

[1:29:54] with Mesa shortly after I moved to

[1:29:55] Pineale in 2022.

[1:29:59] And in my first interactions with the

[1:30:03] program, I was so impressed by what

[1:30:05] Carla and the board have built, the

[1:30:07] quality of the program that they have,

[1:30:09] how much Carla has worked to prioritize

[1:30:12] the safety and the learning of all of

[1:30:14] the writers that we have going through

[1:30:16] the program. And that led to some

[1:30:19] conversation about some bigger questions

[1:30:21] about how we could better serve the

[1:30:23] individuals in our community throughout

[1:30:25] Subway County who would benefit from

[1:30:27] ecoin assisted services. And that led to

[1:30:30] me facilitating a couple of meetings

[1:30:33] with the board in January of 2024

[1:30:36] where we talked about the strengths of

[1:30:39] our program, some of the weaknesses that

[1:30:40] we had, some of the opportunities that

[1:30:42] we saw and different partnerships might

[1:30:45] be able to form throughout the county.

[1:30:47] in order to better fulfill our mission.

[1:30:50] And after that meeting, we had a little

[1:30:52] bit more clarity, but we realized there

[1:30:54] was a lot of learning left to do. And so

[1:30:56] Carla and I and the rest of the board

[1:30:58] members really started thinking about

[1:31:00] different models of ecoin assisted

[1:31:03] services facilities throughout the

[1:31:04] country. We've looked at some very

[1:31:06] different models and really come to an

[1:31:09] understanding of what it is that our

[1:31:10] county needs and our writers need so

[1:31:12] that we don't have to have a wait list

[1:31:13] so that we can serve the individuals who

[1:31:17] would benefit from our services but whom

[1:31:19] we just don't have the capacity for

[1:31:20] right now. And so that led us to just

[1:31:24] kind of this journey of realizing that

[1:31:26] what we really need is a permanent

[1:31:27] facility where we can keep our horses

[1:31:29] and offer lessons at the same location.

[1:31:32] And Carla is going to share a little bit

[1:31:34] about the specifics of how our program

[1:31:36] runs and why that would be such a

[1:31:37] gamecher for Mesa. But before I hand it

[1:31:40] back to her, I just want to say how

[1:31:41] proud I am of the board and of Carla for

[1:31:44] continuing to prioritize just an

[1:31:46] incredibly high quality safe program

[1:31:48] that adds so much value to the lives of

[1:31:50] our families.

[1:31:52] >> Hi, should I say I missed your

[1:31:55] >> I'm Aaron Hasty.

[1:31:56] >> Thank you.

[1:31:56] >> Yeah,

[1:31:58] thank you Aaron.

[1:32:00] So the the greatest limiting factor for

[1:32:03] Mesa is that we can only put four horses

[1:32:06] in our horse trailer and where we are

[1:32:08] riding right now, we can only ride two

[1:32:10] week in Heinale. Um so that limits us.

[1:32:13] We we adhere to the professional

[1:32:16] association of therapeutic horsemanship

[1:32:17] organizational standards and procedures

[1:32:20] um to ensure that that we do uphold

[1:32:23] safety and procedures and have a quality

[1:32:25] program. Um with that, our horses are

[1:32:27] only allowed to have three lessons a

[1:32:28] day. So, if we can only have four

[1:32:30] horses, three lessons a day, that only

[1:32:32] allows us to provide lessons for 12

[1:32:34] riders a day. So, we're really limited

[1:32:35] in the capacity that what what we can

[1:32:37] have. Um, if we had our horses at the

[1:32:41] same location that we gave our lessons,

[1:32:43] that would be a huge game changer. We

[1:32:45] would be able to have 7 to eight head of

[1:32:48] horses, we'd be able to ride up to 5

[1:32:50] days a week at least, and we could

[1:32:53] almost quadruple the number of people

[1:32:55] that we could service with our lesson

[1:32:56] program at that point. And by having a

[1:32:59] permanent facility, we'd be able to keep

[1:33:00] all of our tech

[1:33:02] in one place, we'd be able to have

[1:33:04] larger variety of saddles, bigger

[1:33:07] courses, and and such. And I think we

[1:33:10] would um be able to just really really

[1:33:12] expand our programming and do more for

[1:33:14] our community like we would like to do,

[1:33:16] we've been wanting to do, but we just

[1:33:17] really can't do it on the truck and

[1:33:18] trailer anymore.

[1:33:21] Um,

[1:33:23] so we would like to ask the county if we

[1:33:26] could have access to use the 20 acres

[1:33:29] south of the 4 barn. We feel like that

[1:33:31] is a really ideal property um,

[1:33:34] locationwise. It's really important to

[1:33:35] be close to the schools and close to

[1:33:37] town for transportation purposes and um,

[1:33:40] it would allow us to expand our current

[1:33:42] adaptive riding program. Um we did just

[1:33:44] open up our services to adults of small

[1:33:48] adults because we don't have the

[1:33:49] capacity to serve a larger um large

[1:33:52] adults right now. Um we have started up

[1:33:54] an ecoin assisted learning program. Um

[1:33:58] that's something that we can get off the

[1:33:59] ground. And another thing that I think

[1:34:00] is really important. It's something that

[1:34:02] I've been wanting to do for years and

[1:34:03] years, but I feel like there's a huge

[1:34:05] need in this community and is that that

[1:34:07] is a um a workplacement program for the

[1:34:11] young adults. um like such as Yian and

[1:34:15] be able to provide an opportunity for young adults to be able to come in

[1:34:19] and work at the barn, do chores, and I

[1:34:22] think that's I I've heard a resounding

[1:34:25] need for that within the community over

[1:34:26] the years. And that's something that we

[1:34:28] could we could add to our programming.

[1:34:32] Um in email communications with uh I

[1:34:35] believe it's Lindsay Dip, who was the

[1:34:37] lawyer for Pure West, she agreed. I have

[1:34:38] a email here that um Mesa does fit

[1:34:42] within the deed restrictions of that

[1:34:43] land and it would be a county

[1:34:45] commissioner's decision from there on.

[1:34:48] As a final thought, um we've been very fortunate to have such a generous

[1:34:52] community and individuals that want to

[1:34:54] keep Mesa Mesa going and they've been

[1:34:56] working in the shadows. Um we've

[1:34:58] survived on borrowed property, borrowed

[1:35:00] land, borrowed horses, borrowed

[1:35:02] equipment, and operating out of the home

[1:35:04] office. And I think it's time that we

[1:35:06] need to think about succession planning.

[1:35:08] Um I'm not going to be here forever. Um

[1:35:12] I've put 15 years into this program

[1:35:14] right now and I don't want to see Mesa

[1:35:16] go away when I go away. And so I feel

[1:35:19] it's really important that we that we

[1:35:21] start having our own permanent facility

[1:35:23] so that we Mesa can continue on.

[1:35:26] Um with that you guys have any

[1:35:29] questions?

[1:35:32] Are there any questions from the

[1:35:35] individuals here?

[1:35:40] » So with the permanent home with you, it

[1:35:43] would allow you to have capacity for

[1:35:44] bigger horses where we could get back to

[1:35:47] where ocean the larger kids that would

[1:35:50] be able to drive again.

[1:35:52] >> Yes.

[1:35:54] >> Question from online.

[1:36:00] No comment.

[1:36:03] So, um, what we're asking is to be able

[1:36:05] to use that, um,

[1:36:08] we'd like to ask the county, if this is

[1:36:10] something that you'd be willing to do,

[1:36:11] if you would the road into that area and

[1:36:15] then we we would provide all the fencing

[1:36:17] in the pastures, then most of our stuff

[1:36:19] would be portable in case that somebody

[1:36:22] some generous donor out there did want

[1:36:24] to give us our own piece of property.

[1:36:26] Um, we would be able to take everything

[1:36:28] we had and move it along with us. Um but

[1:36:31] we we would really like to be able to

[1:36:33] have make this consider this a permanent

[1:36:35] field um for Mesa. It would really be

[1:36:39] important to I believe

[1:36:43] no

[1:36:52] there was a confusion

[1:36:56] is

[1:37:00] looking for an investment in the county

[1:37:02] of $50,000.

[1:37:05] >> That would be for improvements to the

[1:37:06] property that the county would benefit

[1:37:08] from if Mesa were to ever leave the

[1:37:10] property. So that's for water, power,

[1:37:12] and um the road improvements.

[1:37:15] >> Am I saying this? So you're looking for

[1:37:18] 597,

[1:37:19] >> right? Correct.

[1:37:21] >> Is that people like it drawn to the

[1:37:24] worst case scenario?

[1:37:26] >> That's correct. And then pure west uh is

[1:37:29] going to

[1:37:32] give us approval of your being on the

[1:37:35] property. I don't know how it works with

[1:37:37] that but

[1:37:39] so you must have that. I don't see it.

[1:37:43] >> I do. I mean I have a copy here.

[1:37:46] Great.

[1:37:46] >> Thank you.

[1:37:57] Sorry,

[1:38:02] I did have a phone call from a Dennis

[1:38:04] Schroer supporting everything that you

[1:38:06] did. Um, actually requesting that one

[1:38:10] time that puts to go up on top of the

[1:38:13] hill

[1:38:15] there.

[1:38:17] I thought that was the right kind of

[1:38:20] >> we accept that property. We sure would

[1:38:22] [laughter]

[1:38:25] meet.

[1:38:28] » And I know this young cowboy right here,

[1:38:30] what a great young man he is. Been out

[1:38:33] to see me for past four years.

[1:38:36] Does a great job. And he's actually

[1:38:41] a great great figure. He has an example

[1:38:43] of what you do. Everyone, thank you so

[1:38:47] very much.

[1:38:49] That's the purpose of of me

[1:38:52] getting individuals that clearly was.

[1:38:54] So, thank you.

[1:38:59] » Questions, comments?

[1:39:00] >> I got a comment. We've known you a long

[1:39:02] time, Carl. Anybody has I know it's a

[1:39:05] great, wonderful program. No problem

[1:39:07] with that, but you know, it's all down

[1:39:09] to money, okay? You know what I mean?

[1:39:12] and we justify for the taxpayers the

[1:39:16] 50,000. Okay. And that's you know

[1:39:21] that's the only thing that I see that

[1:39:24] with

[1:39:26] my biggest concern

[1:39:30] and your concerns really good

[1:39:35] questions.

[1:39:37] I guess I couple things I've been

[1:39:40] involved with this through the years

[1:39:43] whether it's pasture horses are offered

[1:39:45] an arena I think this group would thrive

[1:39:47] and be able to grow and obviously offer

[1:39:50] more services if they could just find a

[1:39:51] landing spot

[1:39:53] I struggle with 50,000 I' I' I'd like to

[1:39:56] ask one more favor if this were to go

[1:39:59] through there's some dirt work for an

[1:40:01] arena and the road work I mean is that

[1:40:03] something that the county could take on

[1:40:05] we wouldn't add

[1:40:06] Do you guys tell me do it? I'll do it.

[1:40:09] >> I I'd rather support something like that

[1:40:11] than throw out another

[1:40:14] 50,000.

[1:40:15] >> Well, I'm sorry. And that proposal, the

[1:40:18] way that is out, I guess that was our

[1:40:21] intentions was that that most of that as

[1:40:24] far as the road base and electricity is

[1:40:27] pretty much there. Um, it's right there

[1:40:29] by the 4 office. But as far as the dirt

[1:40:32] work and all that, that is something

[1:40:33] that really like the county already has

[1:40:35] all the machinery and equipment and

[1:40:38] operators to to do. So we feel like this

[1:40:41] is what we are asking is only

[1:40:43] improvement of that land that will

[1:40:44] remain that way and it isn't won't ever

[1:40:47] be taken away from your property. It's

[1:40:49] just getting approved which I in our

[1:40:52] minds it's a pretty reasonably

[1:40:59] pretty reasonable request because we we

[1:41:02] have um you know as far as like the

[1:41:05] arena and things like that like we can

[1:41:06] find donors and partial donations for that as well. Um can I talk for a

[1:41:11] second?

[1:41:18] U my name is Stacy Jones. Um yeah, and

[1:41:23] it wasn't we weren't asking like you

[1:41:26] guys to give us $50,000

[1:41:29] that it would maybe take that if you

[1:41:32] helped us put it into like fixing the

[1:41:35] road and and doing those things and like

[1:41:38] with the the water, the electricity.

[1:41:41] Yeah. getting already that what's out

[1:41:43] there, but over to where we could use

[1:41:46] them. It's we didn't we didn't want you

[1:41:48] to hand us $50,000. It just it might

[1:41:51] would take some like that, but you know,

[1:41:53] with help and and that to to get that um

[1:41:59] to make the road in there a little bit

[1:42:00] better, safer, you know, those things.

[1:42:03] So, we didn't want a $50,000 check. We

[1:42:06] just need that extra to help us make it

[1:42:11] so it's usable for us. So yeah,

[1:42:16] >> same

[1:42:18] the question for develop case in regards

[1:42:21] to liability insurance. I would presume

[1:42:23] that you would need to or have something

[1:42:26] namely as traditionally for liability.

[1:42:29] >> Yes. And we've already do that with

[1:42:31] fairgrounds as well. want to make sure

[1:42:33] that we learn that they have

[1:42:35] >> absolutely sure

[1:42:41] » yes commissioner so have you got bids on

[1:42:45] what the wel cost and the power company

[1:42:48] is prohibited now rather you know where

[1:42:51] they you're going to have to have your

[1:42:52] own box out there probably junction box

[1:42:55] you know where it comes from the other

[1:42:57] place you can't have them both on one I

[1:43:00] mean I've been hearing people they just

[1:43:02] law and what they're charging to run,

[1:43:06] you know, power lines and stuff, you

[1:43:07] know, I mean, it's like four or 5,000

[1:43:10] for the boxes, you know. So, and you

[1:43:13] haven't done any bids on what the well

[1:43:14] would be or what you know where you

[1:43:17] would would be setting stuff. Have you

[1:43:18] looked at it how you might set it at the

[1:43:20] corral where they would be out there

[1:43:22] now?

[1:43:24] >> Yes. Yes, we have. Like, and that's part

[1:43:26] of the drawing that's that's in that

[1:43:27] proposal. It would just be well if I had

[1:43:30] the shape that the the property is

[1:43:33] shaped in like a long triangle and um it

[1:43:37] would be the lower half of that pretty

[1:43:39] much. and 237

[1:43:41] >> and the only entrance would be there by

[1:43:43] the 4 cuz that's you know we're going to

[1:43:45] run into a problem there because we just

[1:43:46] spent 100,000 on electronic gate you

[1:43:50] know so you're going to have to

[1:43:54] be problem with that gate and unless you

[1:43:58] could put in a different entrance

[1:43:59] somewhere else because but hey I just

[1:44:02] hope you I'd like to see some bids of

[1:44:05] what you can actually get that D

[1:44:08] >> we can do

[1:44:10] Um the last time we had a water well

[1:44:11] drug um personally was a $15,000 well

[1:44:16] um

[1:44:18] >> I don't know if necessarily we have to

[1:44:20] have a water well or if we could tie

[1:44:21] into the water line for 4 office it's

[1:44:23] already there

[1:44:28] take so much of it

[1:44:29] >> doesn't because all we really need is

[1:44:31] stock water just for some stock takes it

[1:44:34] doesn't have to be

[1:44:38] We can do that.

[1:44:39] >> So, so Mr.

[1:44:40] and

[1:44:42] so all

[1:44:45] in

[1:44:58] it's true

[1:45:01] about that

[1:45:06] when I look down at the total investment

[1:45:08] instead in the center of one great

[1:45:12] building

[1:45:16] and that's the preparation of the ground

[1:45:21] because from my experience

[1:45:27] like this

[1:45:29] that's going to have to go away or

[1:45:32] should mostly especially where they

[1:45:34] didn't have their facilities and that's

[1:45:37] not an easy heal.

[1:45:39] Well, Russian beat up

[1:45:43] and you can't do that. But then when he

[1:45:45] leaves stops everybody like this

[1:45:49] and now we can

[1:45:52] so

[1:45:57] at that kind of situation I would be

[1:46:00] normally for me

[1:46:04] somewhere.

[1:46:05] First thing I do beat that brush. But I

[1:46:07] got to go in and kind of

[1:46:10] stir it up so I can get reinstall

[1:46:13] sometime

[1:46:15] brush down there.

[1:46:19] Then I've got to go back in and I'll see

[1:46:23] if I don't even have a nice clean piece

[1:46:26] of property. I don't know whether you've

[1:46:28] talked 28 acres to just enormous but but

[1:46:32] that certainly done that's not an easy

[1:46:34] deal

[1:46:37] when

[1:46:40] I first heard something about this

[1:46:45] there I wonder were you going to be able

[1:46:49] to get the authorization to do so you

[1:46:54] >> yes

[1:46:55] >> that's what this letter is

[1:46:57] I didn't see that.

[1:46:59] So

[1:47:09] now [laughter]

[1:47:13] they just pass.

[1:47:19] » So

[1:47:20] couple years ago

[1:47:22] three or something like that. I'd get

[1:47:24] back up with the punch line.

[1:47:28] I live with a young man young

[1:47:36] business that I said he got out of that.

[1:47:41] But he and I had come to an agreement

[1:47:42] that hey if it's expensive project we

[1:47:45] probably done that cost a lot of money.

[1:47:49] I'm still inclined to do that in my

[1:47:52] business.

[1:47:54] I come to

[1:47:56] whatever I can do to help on a

[1:48:00] fancy project with the equipment that

[1:48:02] I've got without going out and finding

[1:48:05] something else. I'd certainly be

[1:48:08] coming in and doing them, but

[1:48:11] you're going to have to have things

[1:48:17] what your product is going to look like.

[1:48:20] where

[1:48:22] all the way around.

[1:48:24] So those things happen

[1:48:30] but not tired of closure. At least I

[1:48:32] haven't seen it.

[1:48:33] >> No, that's that's it. Um it's going to

[1:48:36] be the back pasture turnout and then

[1:48:46] » yes.

[1:48:48] >> Yeah. No, I see I see that. What I'm

[1:48:50] saying is this is the 28.

[1:48:53] >> No, it's just a fraction of the 28. This

[1:48:55] is a very small portion and the rest

[1:48:57] doesn't

[1:48:59] have the balance 28. [clears throat]

[1:49:06] » It's already fenced. I mean the

[1:49:07] perimeter it would just be say this is

[1:49:10] where the 4 office is and this is Hagen

[1:49:12] science down here.

[1:49:13] >> Yeah, but it's fenced. I'd have to go

[1:49:15] look at again. It seems to be like the

[1:49:17] expensive part

[1:49:19] >> and I could be wrong.

[1:49:20] >> That's fine.

[1:49:21] >> No, it's not. If you got horses you want

[1:49:22] to take care of, I can guarantee you you

[1:49:25] can

[1:49:28] >> burn your pastors.

[1:49:30] I mean over time wonderful, but that's

[1:49:33] what they're living in.

[1:49:35] >> If you have that's fine if that's what

[1:49:38] you that's what you want to do.

[1:49:44] out of company horse.

[1:49:46] >> We have to be pretty selective about the

[1:49:48] horses we take. And one of that those

[1:49:49] reasons is because we've had to pastor

[1:49:51] them in a lot of different settings and

[1:49:52] so they have to be respectful of a lot

[1:49:54] of different types of fences.

[1:49:59] » Anyway, I'm part of the project. I just don't want to

[1:50:05] like a lot of projects quite you can

[1:50:08] actually choose and not be able to

[1:50:10] [clears throat]

[1:50:11] get the project that you want then

[1:50:17] back to the property Sam is that a sale

[1:50:20] or lease to them how is that

[1:50:23] >> so that that property the whole history

[1:50:24] of that property was owned by QEP

[1:50:27] >> yes

[1:50:27] >> QP donated that property to the county

[1:50:31] so county fully owns that property to

[1:50:33] put a deed restriction on the future

[1:50:35] that property would be used for the use

[1:50:38] of sub. That's how that piece um reads.

[1:50:43] Carl reached out to our our land

[1:50:46] department as

[1:50:49] well

[1:50:51] um fall within that restriction that you

[1:50:54] put on that property

[1:50:58] and

[1:51:00] yes it does.

[1:51:03] >> But we own the property. There is

[1:51:05] nothing

[1:51:06] more. I mean, if we wanted to do

[1:51:09] whatever we wanted to do with that

[1:51:10] property, we could

[1:51:14] know that there's a deep restriction on

[1:51:16] reach out to us that their thoughts on

[1:51:19] it

[1:51:22] is required.

[1:51:26] » Back in just a second.

[1:51:28] >> Was my statement correct? We own that

[1:51:29] property altogether. There is a deed

[1:51:31] restriction. the deed restriction on

[1:51:33] that property is that it should be shall

[1:51:36] be used for the use of Salt Lake County

[1:51:38] when it was given to the county by QEP.

[1:51:41] Um Carla reached out to Pure West above

[1:51:44] and beyond just to see if that was in

[1:51:46] spirit of the way they read it. Pure

[1:51:49] West response was yes that was within

[1:51:52] spirit of that restriction but we own

[1:51:56] that. There is nothing I mean if we

[1:51:58] wanted whatever we wanted to do in the

[1:52:00] county we could do. Is that the

[1:52:02] restriction correct?

[1:52:04] >> Mr. Chairman, Commissioner White. Uh

[1:52:06] yes, that is correct. And so the with

[1:52:09] the restriction the dominant estate is

[1:52:12] Q. So if Q is saying we're good with it

[1:52:15] and we're fine with it, then yes, the

[1:52:17] county has the authority to operate in

[1:52:19] that space.

[1:52:22] >> Okay. So let me ask this question also

[1:52:24] in conjunction to that.

[1:52:26] So

[1:52:31] if I'm leasing the piece of property, so

[1:52:36] to speak, I don't own it, but I lease

[1:52:38] it. If anything I put in the ground

[1:52:41] stays with that property, when I move

[1:52:43] off, it stays there. If I want to take

[1:52:45] it with me, it's got to be portable. So

[1:52:47] I can scoot it around and they lift me.

[1:52:50] Is there would there be a concern here

[1:52:52] if they build a structure a program

[1:52:54] structure that down the road if this

[1:52:57] commission is not sitting there they say

[1:53:00] hey you guys haven't done what we think

[1:53:02] you should do we're going to boo you got

[1:53:06] that property county

[1:53:10] own the property is that correct or not

[1:53:14] chairman Bernard commissioner Vicky uh

[1:53:17] the way that that would work would be

[1:53:19] depending in the language in the lease

[1:53:20] itself. And certainly in the event that

[1:53:22] the county were to authorize this use on

[1:53:25] the property, uh we would certainly have

[1:53:28] an agreement in place that detailed all

[1:53:31] of that all of those details.

[1:53:34] >> Okay. Yeah, fair enough there. But if

[1:53:37] you've got something permanent in the

[1:53:38] property, it's a little difficult to

[1:53:40] take that.

[1:53:41] >> It's Commissioner Bernard and

[1:53:44] Commissioner Victory. Yes. But the

[1:53:46] contract will govern that. And so, yes,

[1:53:49] even a permanent structure can be uh can

[1:53:52] be moved. Yes, it's harder. Uh but I do

[1:53:54] believe they said they were going to try

[1:53:56] and do stuff temporarily in case they

[1:53:57] were able to obtain their own property.

[1:54:00] But we would certainly make sure that it

[1:54:01] was buttoned up, bells and suspenders so

[1:54:04] that there was no questions down the

[1:54:06] road in the event that a future

[1:54:07] commission needed uh that land for

[1:54:09] another purpose or in the event that

[1:54:11] these folks voluntarily opted to to

[1:54:13] renew themselves. Well, the only reason

[1:54:16] I bring that up is because

[1:54:19] she's invested what 15 years of this

[1:54:21] program. Yeah, that takes dedication.

[1:54:26] It's

[1:54:27] her compliment.

[1:54:29] So when you go,

[1:54:34] the next person steps in there, are they

[1:54:36] going to have that dedication there and

[1:54:38] lies the issue?

[1:54:39] >> Absolutely.

[1:54:41] >> You you you think people dedication.

[1:54:54] » Well,

[1:54:57] >> we're already in favor of helping you

[1:55:00] however we can. How's that?

[1:55:02] >> Thank you. No, and we have started the

[1:55:05] succession planning process. So we are

[1:55:07] finding that person and we are

[1:55:10] make sure that that makes it

[1:55:12] organizational they can do that as well.

[1:55:15] >> Are there any questions comments from

[1:55:17] the board and further discussion? Let's

[1:55:19] go. I'll

[1:55:21] save mine. Um so when I look at this car

[1:55:25] I'm from the future of Mesa. I'll be a

[1:55:27] huge supporter of Mesa. Um when I when I

[1:55:31] look back we just had a meeting a couple

[1:55:32] meetings ago. We had another great

[1:55:34] organization. There's lots of great

[1:55:36] organizations, nonprofit organizations

[1:55:39] come and ask us if we would file a road

[1:55:41] all winter long so they can continue to

[1:55:43] run their great organization which uh

[1:55:46] benefits the county.

[1:55:49] This I I look at it as you know what

[1:55:52] this was something that the the 4 could

[1:55:55] use the pony club could use every youth

[1:55:58] that question thing could use. I look at

[1:56:01] it maybe maybe I could get behind it,

[1:56:04] but we're it's it's kind of to me feels

[1:56:07] like we're picking the winners and

[1:56:09] losers of all of the great organizations

[1:56:12] within the county and using taxpayer

[1:56:14] funding to pick those winners and

[1:56:17] losers. Um like I said, I'm a huge

[1:56:20] supporter. Don't get me wrong. I just

[1:56:22] can't get behind

[1:56:24] um us investing money to for this

[1:56:28] organization as presented today. If this

[1:56:31] was like I said something that included

[1:56:34] all of the youth in sub county um had

[1:56:37] access to a facility out there probably

[1:56:40] kind of like the fairgrounds I probably

[1:56:44] supported at that point but that's my

[1:56:46] thoughts. Thank you. I can offer some

[1:56:48] response to contextualization of that.

[1:56:51] Um, so I think one of the the things

[1:56:54] that is really important about our

[1:56:55] program is that we do have to have a

[1:56:58] little bit of control over the

[1:56:59] environment. Carlos spoke some of the

[1:57:01] challenges that we've had on a busy day

[1:57:03] at the fairgrounds where because of the

[1:57:05] populations that we're serving, it it's

[1:57:07] just really crucial that we can provide

[1:57:10] some sort of sensory boundary around

[1:57:12] what our writers are going to

[1:57:13] experience. And I would note that the 4

[1:57:18] has operated an exclusive facility on

[1:57:20] QEP property I think for well over a

[1:57:23] decade at this point. If the county

[1:57:25] commissioners wanted to build a shared

[1:57:27] ecoin facility in the north end of the

[1:57:29] county, I as a personal equestrian would

[1:57:31] certainly be in big support of that. I

[1:57:34] think if you want to have a facility

[1:57:37] that could meet all of the different

[1:57:38] needs of different youth organizations,

[1:57:40] that's certainly up to you. But I think

[1:57:42] that would be something that would be a

[1:57:43] county choice and a county investment.

[1:57:45] Um Mesa is asking for I think a pretty

[1:57:48] minimal investment of improvements to

[1:57:50] the property that will stay with the

[1:57:51] property if we were to ever leave. And I

[1:57:54] think that we would certainly be open to

[1:57:58] discussions about how we could lease the

[1:57:59] infrastructure that we're going to

[1:58:01] provide to other youth equestrian

[1:58:03] participants and with other

[1:58:04] organizations if that was something that

[1:58:06] they determined that they needed.

[1:58:09] comments really good. Um I understand

[1:58:12] your concern with um trying to serve the

[1:58:14] biggest population serve all the kids.

[1:58:16] Um I guess what we are also looking at

[1:58:19] is a lot of these kids don't have that

[1:58:21] opportunity to be part of they don't

[1:58:23] have the opportunity to be part of um

[1:58:25] hockey or ice skating or just because of

[1:58:28] the disabilities that they do or may not

[1:58:30] have. I mean, given my daughter, she

[1:58:32] looks like, you know, she'd be part of

[1:58:33] anything and she is very much a part of

[1:58:34] everything, but there's a history behind

[1:58:36] there like, especially with her with her

[1:58:38] heart condition that she may not always

[1:58:40] be able to participate in school sports

[1:58:42] in all of these different activities.

[1:58:44] And this is an opportunity and a a group

[1:58:47] that is trying to serve that population

[1:58:49] that is restricted from a lot of the

[1:58:52] other offerings of the county and the

[1:58:55] school districts. Um, so I can

[1:58:57] understand that there's a concern that

[1:58:58] we are just serving a certain

[1:59:01] population, but it's a population that I

[1:59:03] feel like we need to support because

[1:59:05] they can be restricted in so many other

[1:59:08] avenues within the county. I mean, we

[1:59:10] try to be inclusive, but we are limited,

[1:59:12] especially when it comes to dealing with

[1:59:15] animals and getting out of the physical

[1:59:16] work and having that opportunity. So, I

[1:59:19] mean, I guess that's where I stand as a

[1:59:22] parent and even as a member of I mean, I

[1:59:26] drive the special ed bus right now. I

[1:59:27] mean, this is a huge part of what I do

[1:59:30] just as a parent and as a community

[1:59:32] member. These are children and adults

[1:59:36] now that we're offering a huge

[1:59:40] opportunity that they do not get to

[1:59:42] participate in a lot of different areas

[1:59:44] like 4, like hockey, like what I've

[1:59:45] said. So, I think it's well worth that

[1:59:48] we kind of get behind this in some way

[1:59:50] or another. I like what Aaron has

[1:59:52] suggested. Even if there's a way that

[1:59:53] we're providing and is providing the

[1:59:56] structures, the infrastructures, the

[1:59:57] fencing that maybe we can share that and

[2:00:00] lease that with other

[2:00:02] groups. But again, it's the priority if

[2:00:06] we've provided that to give that safe

[2:00:08] environment, that sensory free

[2:00:10] environment. um you know that would be

[2:00:13] taking some moving around and I think I

[2:00:16] think the NASA is open to looking at

[2:00:18] that but we do have considerations with

[2:00:21] the population that they're trying to

[2:00:23] serve.

[2:00:25] >> Sure. And I get that right. I get that

[2:00:27] uh

[2:00:29] yeah like I said I'm a huge supporter of

[2:00:30] Mesa and I get that there's a need for

[2:00:34] it. Right. there's going to be 10 other

[2:00:37] organizations showing up saying the

[2:00:40] exact same story of why we won't find

[2:00:43] some to land and let them build a

[2:00:45] facility um where they can run theirs

[2:00:48] too. So I'm worried about setting a

[2:00:50] precedent for all organizations that are

[2:00:53] involved in this county for all

[2:00:55] different aspects of those

[2:00:57] organizations. Like I said just two or

[2:01:00] three meetings ago, we had a great youth

[2:01:03] organization and wanted us to file road

[2:01:06] winners so they could continue to use

[2:01:08] that.

[2:01:10] We at that time told them no. Um so I I

[2:01:14] look at it more as

[2:01:16] yeah we could come up with a plan that

[2:01:19] allin

[2:01:22] users use ecoin users an organization

[2:01:26] use. I'll get behind it.

[2:01:32] » Mr. Chairman, [clears throat]

[2:01:34] so I'm not quite as restrictive as

[2:01:36] Commissioner Light and I'll tell you

[2:01:38] why. Because I earlier said,

[2:01:42] I've watched the smiles. I've watched

[2:01:44] the parents of the kids that are

[2:01:45] involved in this program.

[2:01:49] and granted sort of a specific thing

[2:01:52] because of a specific need,

[2:02:01] And

[2:02:02] [clears throat] I I I see these

[2:02:06] the advancement of some of the young

[2:02:08] people that I've known has had some

[2:02:10] issues and basic has brought them step up be more involved in the

[2:02:16] community.

[2:02:21] when you set a precedent,

[2:02:25] that's what this is. And I don't think

[2:02:26] that's what this is. I think this is

[2:02:30] making something good happen in the

[2:02:32] community.

[2:02:36] We've got a lot of places in Southern

[2:02:40] County for other horse oriented groups

[2:02:43] to use

[2:02:46] the fairgrounds. We've heard about

[2:02:49] we've got the rodeo grounds up here.

[2:02:50] I'll guarantee you we've got a lot of

[2:02:52] kids use that facility. You may say

[2:02:56] included in the past. There's two

[2:02:58] different arenas up there. There's

[2:03:01] places to park

[2:03:04] and you're not being forced to move your

[2:03:10] program to allow someone else. That's

[2:03:13] because is I see one of the issues that

[2:03:16] would become that would come here is if

[2:03:20] it was spoken up because Mason is

[2:03:23] specific.

[2:03:24] You'd have to have and I watch the

[2:03:27] budget from the outside

[2:03:31] days when two kids show up, days when

[2:03:35] six kids show up when they're in that

[2:03:37] time slot.

[2:03:40] And if that thing was opened up to where

[2:03:42] you could have all horse groups use it,

[2:03:47] those kind of time slots would just go

[2:03:49] away. They would have to to to

[2:03:53] address the other uses. So

[2:03:57] I expect if I said it earlier

[2:04:00] as a commissioner, I'll have to support

[2:04:03] this.

[2:04:04] as an individual I support it because

[2:04:07] I've seen so

[2:04:09] things that occur out of it.

[2:04:12] So even

[2:04:14] sitting next to one another he has a

[2:04:16] cake we have

[2:04:20] I think

[2:04:22] outcome

[2:04:24] very different way

[2:04:28] I guess

[2:04:29] I don't see Mesa

[2:04:33] their own facility

[2:04:36] being underest

[2:04:40] I just don't see that happening if there

[2:04:43] was never another place to go. I could

[2:04:45] understand perhaps but but that's not

[2:04:52] faculty

[2:04:55] that can take care of some of those

[2:04:56] other needs that we do

[2:04:59] the city

[2:05:02] for me at least I I'll support it.

[2:05:07] » Are there questions? I'll just bring one

[2:05:09] other thing doesn't mount anything else.

[2:05:12] We all support 100%. You know that

[2:05:14] there's not a question at all. But it's

[2:05:16] like we got 60 acres there cemetery.

[2:05:20] Okay. They need it. You know, do they

[2:05:22] look at this and say, well, if you're

[2:05:25] giving land away for other uses

[2:05:27] property, you know, it puts us in a bad

[2:05:30] position. Well, we have vacant property

[2:05:32] and other things are needed. You know, I

[2:05:35] mean, that's an important thing. And you

[2:05:37] know, I don't I mean, it's this is a

[2:05:39] tough one. I wish

[2:05:42] had a little more time to think on it

[2:05:44] cuz I uh

[2:05:46] I don't I wish I knew kind of got the

[2:05:49] estimates of what

[2:05:51] 50 if it's 23 or you know, some of those

[2:05:54] things are kind of open-ended here, but

[2:05:57] there's no question we all supported

[2:05:59] 100%. That's not the question here.

[2:06:02] >> I'd argue a cemetery is a little more

[2:06:03] permanent than what we're proposing.

[2:06:06] It's needed. They don't have any spots

[2:06:07] here. Okay. They're out of spots. So,

[2:06:10] you know, maybe

[2:06:13] that's a very important thing, too. I

[2:06:14] mean, you're a long ways away from I'm

[2:06:16] nice. You know, put my ashes up there

[2:06:19] along the road with you. I don't know

[2:06:22] just part of what things we face. Okay.

[2:06:24] I mean,

[2:06:27] so

[2:06:29] >> I I guess I'd like to add that this

[2:06:30] arenus is a pretty long size that we've

[2:06:32] proposed. um that's within our budget

[2:06:35] and able to enable able to do. Um and

[2:06:39] again uh we've been very fortunate to be

[2:06:41] able to to use the rodeo grounds. Um and

[2:06:44] we share that with 4 and we share that

[2:06:45] with public club and we share the

[2:06:46] equipment up there with them. Um

[2:06:50] nobody maintains that. Nobody takes care

[2:06:53] of it. Nobody cleans up after

[2:06:54] themselves. And so having a shared

[2:06:56] facility uh go out there and I'd have to

[2:06:58] go clean on the horse poop up prior to

[2:07:01] us using the equipment and or being able

[2:07:04] to use the arena. And uh so if we're

[2:07:08] going to put the money into a into a

[2:07:11] project like this and to have it be our

[2:07:13] facility, it's going to be very very

[2:07:14] wellkept and we're going to expect the

[2:07:16] same high standards if we were able to

[2:07:17] share it with somebody else. So we would

[2:07:20] entertain being able to share this with

[2:07:22] 4 or pony club. equestrian groups

[2:07:25] potentially, but it's going to be it

[2:07:27] would be I guess under I would I would

[2:07:31] ask that it could be under our control

[2:07:32] and under so when we do have days off

[2:07:35] then we could offer that open to to the

[2:07:38] 4 or the pony club um under our terms

[2:07:40] where things are taken care of and kept.

[2:07:43] I feel like that's a really really

[2:07:45] important factor and and if you get into

[2:07:48] where everything is, you know, similar

[2:07:50] like fairgrounds, then you're going to

[2:07:51] have somebody that's going to have to

[2:07:52] take care of it. um as a group group

[2:07:55] thing and I don't I don't feel like this

[2:07:58] would be a situation where

[2:08:02] I should have to take care of everybody

[2:08:03] else's messes type of a deal if we were

[2:08:06] given this opportunity to do this. But

[2:08:08] um and this is an outdoor arena right

[2:08:11] now constructed as an outdoor arena and

[2:08:13] hopefully potentially we'd be able to to

[2:08:16] build an indoor arena um cover that uh

[2:08:19] which would be great if we had if we

[2:08:21] were given the approval to do something

[2:08:22] like that. But otherwise all the other

[2:08:24] structures would be u portable including

[2:08:28] the classroom office type of deal.

[2:08:34] questions or comments

[2:08:37] according to discussion

[2:08:40] I'd like to make a motion to make this

[2:08:42] happen but I'm struggling with our our

[2:08:45] contribution to water how we want to

[2:08:48] approach something like that

[2:08:52] um I think that

[2:08:55] what we have here

[2:09:02] we hear that you're talking about

[2:09:05] coming investment with

[2:09:09] county equity being

[2:09:12] brought into it. I suspect that

[2:09:19] Billy has road base. Yes. Available and

[2:09:23] then you'd be able to do the uh road

[2:09:25] into it.

[2:09:29] and we have water well and piping the

[2:09:33] two stock tanks. That portion of it

[2:09:37] uh would be a cost but the other items

[2:09:40] well except for the electricity. So

[2:09:42] based on this $15,000 would be covered

[2:09:46] by counting the other two items of

[2:09:49] $35,000

[2:09:52] and open open.

[2:09:55] So if you got you into this property and

[2:09:58] therefore kind of move forward your

[2:10:01] vision taking care of water and power

[2:10:04] your sales.

[2:10:04] >> Yes sir. Okay.

[2:10:07] >> I think that would be something that we

[2:10:08] would iron out in our discussions and

[2:10:11] you know as Clayton said having

[2:10:12] everything thought up um to make sure

[2:10:15] that if we were to leave the property

[2:10:17] that we were reimbursed for expenses

[2:10:18] that we had inferred that would be

[2:10:20] benefits to the property long term then

[2:10:21] I think that's something we could

[2:10:22] certainly figure out.

[2:10:27] Okay.

[2:10:35] This space

[2:10:39] for you may offer service that isn't

[2:10:42] available for these type of people in

[2:10:43] these countries.

[2:10:45] I make the motion

[2:10:48] it makes it into this 20 acres

[2:10:52] work that we can do.

[2:10:55] have a motion.

[2:10:57] I'll second a motion. Um, that's

[2:11:02] slightly what you're asking for.

[2:11:03] >> Yes, sir.

[2:11:05] >> Bring that up. Have a motion that you

[2:11:07] have a second.

[2:11:09] Um,

[2:11:11] further discussion.

[2:11:13] Uh, I'll just bring up that gate again.

[2:11:15] I mean it's something they're going to

[2:11:17] have to that's

[2:11:19] quite deal

[2:11:23] when they 4 leaves and building it very

[2:11:26] morning. So

[2:11:28] but [clears throat]

[2:11:30] um doesn't necessitate

[2:11:33] precluding them from having theation of

[2:11:36] that gate county or that it's not

[2:11:39] doesn't belong with 4. Well, I

[2:11:41] understand it, but you know, sure they

[2:11:44] went through their security, not

[2:11:46] somebody else's. You know, reason you

[2:11:48] weren't here. You went through,

[2:11:51] >> you don't know what we went through on

[2:11:52] that little ordeal to get that paid. So,

[2:11:56] I mean, I just wanted

[2:12:10] My position is

[2:12:16] approved since it's not 4.

[2:12:21] I've dealt with them and they are only

[2:12:23] concerned on their own.

[2:12:28] So I don't see where it has to be. Well,

[2:12:30] obviously

[2:12:34] and then I watched the commission past

[2:12:36] meetings and put $1.1 million for their

[2:12:41] grounds in our facility that's only

[2:12:43] going to use a couple weeks of the year.

[2:12:45] that doesn't benefit the segment of our

[2:12:49] population that needs

[2:12:53] and it's full time

[2:12:56] versus

[2:13:00] that that's our battle with me that how

[2:13:02] we could justify the expenditure and

[2:13:04] then B will be $50,000 and B

[2:13:10] motion second is there any other

[2:13:11] conversation

[2:13:14] >> um I had one to that. When we did our

[2:13:17] budget last year, we consider that

[2:13:20] because

[2:13:22] the budget so that

[2:13:24] okay,

[2:13:27] >> but I'm just saying that, you know,

[2:13:29] $25,14

[2:13:31] doesn't make difference. We didn't have

[2:13:33] it in the budget. So, this is something

[2:13:35] when this comes along, it's going to

[2:13:37] have to be an added expense that we did

[2:13:39] plan on prepared.

[2:13:42] Thank you.

[2:13:44] Okay. Motion to second. Any further

[2:13:47] discussion? Discussion's closed. All in

[2:13:49] favor? I

[2:13:51] >> I

[2:14:03] thank you for your time.

[2:14:11] 16.

[2:14:30] Next is we're going to move the

[2:14:33] procurement policy to after lunch and

[2:14:36] we're going to go to the golf course

[2:14:38] restaurant. Please, please.

[2:14:44] » Um, they've been sitting here all

[2:14:45] morning and

[2:14:48] I'm just pointing out I'm just

[2:14:49] reminding.

[2:14:50] >> Thank you. Yes, they'll still be very

[2:14:52] [clears throat]

[2:15:05] And from 11:30.

[2:15:27] » Yeah. Military.

[2:15:29] Thank you for your time and you know

[2:15:32] this is enough to debug the microphone.

[2:15:33] I'm sorry. This isn't our preferred

[2:15:36] method to we

[2:15:38] have a private meeting but

[2:15:40] we prepared a couple statements.

[2:15:42] >> Um we appreciate your time. When we put

[2:15:44] the proposal into the golf course, we

[2:15:47] were looking for a good working

[2:15:49] relationship with good communication. We

[2:15:52] were told the county wanted to bring up

[2:15:53] the level of service, the level of food,

[2:15:55] and the atmosphere. This is what we've

[2:15:58] been providing and have gotten an

[2:15:59] overwhelming positive response from our

[2:16:02] customers. Being in a new location, we

[2:16:05] were we were aware that there were going

[2:16:07] to be obstacles that we were going to

[2:16:09] have to overcome that like we had at our

[2:16:12] location at Lakeside. Change was always

[2:16:14] difficult. We realized that I poured

[2:16:16] everything into this restaurant to make

[2:16:18] it a friendly, welcoming, and a great

[2:16:21] place to eat. In the middle of summer,

[2:16:23] we met with both Sam and Billy to

[2:16:24] express concerns that the golfers had.

[2:16:27] We came up with the idea of the

[2:16:28] discounts on the food and the beverages

[2:16:30] from the members for the members to

[2:16:32] enjoy year round. We continue to receive

[2:16:34] good feedback from them. I spoke with

[2:16:37] Mike, the head of the men's league about

[2:16:40] setting up a meeting with all of the men

[2:16:42] from the men's league who expressed

[2:16:44] concerns to hear their feedback and see

[2:16:46] what else we could do for them. Well,

[2:16:47] Sam and Billy told us that they were

[2:16:50] ecstatic about that meeting and were

[2:16:51] happy to join if we could set that up.

[2:16:54] However, none of them wanted to meet

[2:16:55] with us. No reason was ever given. They

[2:16:57] just didn't want to meet with us. Every

[2:17:00] month since then, we would meet with

[2:17:02] Billy to pay the rent. I asked him, "How

[2:17:04] are things going? Are there any other

[2:17:05] concerns? Is there anything else we need

[2:17:07] to know?" Nope. Haven't heard anything.

[2:17:09] Everything. Everybody seems pretty

[2:17:11] happy.

[2:17:13] Then we received an email from the

[2:17:14] county which came as a complete shock to

[2:17:16] me and my husband. We've had zero

[2:17:18] complaint, zero communication

[2:17:21] um was was given regarding any problems,

[2:17:24] complaints or violations. What is what

[2:17:27] happened to the communication? If there

[2:17:29] are complaints, why didn't we hear about

[2:17:31] them? How how do you expect us to fix

[2:17:33] anything if we don't know anything is

[2:17:35] wrong? Um, we never received any kind of

[2:17:39] communication that there were any types

[2:17:40] of issues. Since the beginning when we

[2:17:43] took over, we made every effort to try

[2:17:45] and accommodate the requests from the

[2:17:46] golfers that have been given to us. This

[2:17:49] in includes the discounts I mentioned as

[2:17:51] well as special funds that we went out

[2:17:53] of our way to put together for the

[2:17:55] golfers.

[2:17:56] Regarding all of the golf tournaments, I

[2:17:59] went out of my way to ask them, meet

[2:18:00] with them, work with their budgets as

[2:18:02] best I can. the tournaments that got

[2:18:05] alcohol from us. We barely charged a

[2:18:08] little more than our cost for that. We

[2:18:10] really made no money off of that. Um I

[2:18:12] tried to accommodate one of the golf

[2:18:15] tournaments in particular. We charge

[2:18:17] them $10 for a 6 burger, all toppings,

[2:18:20] all condiments, chips, and dessert. And

[2:18:22] they told me that was unreasonable. That

[2:18:24] barely covered my cost of the food and

[2:18:27] my staff to be there. That's all we were

[2:18:31] trying to do. I get having the I get

[2:18:34] you're trying to raise money, but I I we

[2:18:36] are a business and we do need to at

[2:18:37] least cover our expenses.

[2:18:40] I do wish we were in a place where we

[2:18:42] could donate. Unfortunately, we're not

[2:18:45] in the finan financial position to do

[2:18:47] that. This is our first year at our

[2:18:48] location and we're just trying to get

[2:18:50] established.

[2:18:52] Furthermore, this in particular staff um

[2:18:55] from this tournament was demanding and

[2:18:57] disrespectful towards me and my staff

[2:18:59] because they were not getting their way.

[2:19:02] This behavior was unacceptable and

[2:19:04] unnecessary. They also damaged some of

[2:19:06] our decor without so much as an apology.

[2:19:09] To come into a business and to start

[2:19:10] rearranging furniture and decor without

[2:19:13] consulting me is unacceptable. All of

[2:19:15] these tournaments that ordered through

[2:19:17] for me through me were told that there

[2:19:20] was a two week final food headcount. All

[2:19:22] of them agreed completely fine with

[2:19:24] that. So after those two weeks

[2:19:28] to come to me and say we need to change

[2:19:30] this. I don't want this. I don't want

[2:19:31] this. I'm sorry. I've already ordered

[2:19:33] food. I've already prepared food for

[2:19:35] this. And then to complain to you guys

[2:19:37] and to Billy about that I I think is was

[2:19:41] inappropriate. Um,

[2:19:44] I've never ever in my 26 plus years of

[2:19:48] it being in this business have I ever

[2:19:50] been told that I am difficult to work

[2:19:53] for or that I'm difficult to work with.

[2:19:59] If I'm so difficult, then why am I

[2:20:02] getting additional caterings from some

[2:20:03] of the people that run these

[2:20:04] tournaments? Why is my staff that I have

[2:20:06] that have all these restrictions and

[2:20:08] can't work this time and can't work that

[2:20:10] time, I'm able to accommodate that and

[2:20:12] they're recommending their friends and

[2:20:14] their fellow co-workers from previous

[2:20:15] jobs to come and work for me because I

[2:20:17] am accommodating. Why would I not

[2:20:19] transfer that to our clientele? I've

[2:20:22] always worked the best that I can with

[2:20:24] everyone to try and accommodate special

[2:20:26] requests. The ladies league always

[2:20:28] communicated with me and I've always

[2:20:29] accomodated them with all of their

[2:20:32] special requests whenever they came in.

[2:20:34] The last day of the golf season, I

[2:20:37] provided I wanted to do something nice

[2:20:39] for the golfers as a thank you for the

[2:20:40] season. We put out a really nice buffet

[2:20:42] for them. All complimentary to me. They

[2:20:45] all seem to really enjoy that. Um, I do

[2:20:49] know that the contracts for the

[2:20:50] tournaments were changed so that the

[2:20:51] restaurant had first rights for food

[2:20:54] being refused that was offered. I do

[2:20:56] know that the first tournament always

[2:20:58] had food donated and I know that may be

[2:21:01] something that they didn't want want to

[2:21:03] deal with us. I don't see why they

[2:21:05] couldn't have just come to us and said,

[2:21:07] "Hey, you know, we've always had all

[2:21:08] this food donated. We've always had all

[2:21:10] of this. Is this something that we can

[2:21:13] still do because it really brings in a

[2:21:15] lot of money for our tournament?" And

[2:21:16] absolutely, I would have accommodated,

[2:21:18] but once again, nobody's communicating

[2:21:20] with us. Nobody's giving us the

[2:21:22] opportunity. Everyone is expecting the worst from us. We know that since we

[2:21:27] got the lease, the previous tenants have

[2:21:29] been have been trying to turn everyone

[2:21:30] against us and trying to get us out

[2:21:32] before we ever even moved in. There were

[2:21:35] petitions against us from people we

[2:21:36] didn't even meet before we even took

[2:21:38] over. Not only did we have to overcome

[2:21:40] the bad reputation and the bad food in

[2:21:43] the atmosphere, but now we have to

[2:21:44] overcome those things

[2:21:47] that the the golfers that were happy

[2:21:49] with.

[2:21:51] Sorry, I just

[2:21:54] now we have to overcome

[2:21:56] those that were happy with how things

[2:21:58] were operated by the previous tenants

[2:22:00] because they got free food, alcohol,

[2:22:02] made their own drinks behind the bar.

[2:22:04] They were also allowed by previous Oh, I

[2:22:07] already got that. Um, they came in

[2:22:09] through the back entrance, came in

[2:22:10] through the kitchen. Um, we continue to

[2:22:13] have to guide these patrons away from

[2:22:15] this behavior as it is an ongoing issue.

[2:22:18] We can't run a business like that. These

[2:22:20] are the same people that were

[2:22:24] >> x-raying in the bathroom, in the men's

[2:22:26] bathroom, in the trash cans and smearing

[2:22:29] it all over the walls for my staff to

[2:22:31] clean. That's disgusting and it's very

[2:22:33] inappropriate.

[2:22:35] I thought we were trying to change that.

[2:22:37] We don't know them. They don't know us.

[2:22:39] I had no idea that there was so much

[2:22:41] hatred and so much judgment towards our

[2:22:43] family from the people of Pineale,

[2:22:46] probably most whom never got the time to

[2:22:48] know us. We're not difficult people to

[2:22:51] talk to or to approach. How can you

[2:22:53] expect us to change things or make

[2:22:55] things work when there is no

[2:22:56] communication between the parties? We've

[2:22:58] lived here for 5 years and have always

[2:23:00] been law-abiding citizens who wants to

[2:23:02] see this town to continue to grow and a

[2:23:04] place for families to grow. To

[2:23:06] personally witness the things we have

[2:23:08] heard and seen from this community is

[2:23:10] disheartening.

[2:23:15] with what she said. [clears throat]

[2:23:19] We would very much like to finish that

[2:23:20] release. However, if your minds have not

[2:23:22] been changed, the council's email stated

[2:23:25] you're claiming that we are in violation

[2:23:27] of release. [clears throat] The claim

[2:23:29] that we are advent

[2:23:34] to be serve us with a forceful entry

[2:23:36] detainer, which we would then attend a

[2:23:39] hearing with council. Um, obviously if

[2:23:41] we win, we finish out our lease. If we

[2:23:44] lose, our council would request a bond

[2:23:46] from the judge which we would promptly

[2:23:48] pay and then we would appeal which our

[2:23:51] council informs us can be a long

[2:23:53] process. A process I believe both

[2:23:55] parties would like to avoid. So my

[2:23:58] counter proposal is this.

[2:24:00] Assuming you haven't changed your minds

[2:24:02] about letting us see our currently

[2:24:04] through to turn

[2:24:06] is that you amend our contract to be

[2:24:08] terminated.

[2:24:14] on March 1st, 2027.

[2:24:18] Cindy and I will sign this lease. This

[2:24:20] would allow smoother transition for us

[2:24:22] for use the city council and whoever you

[2:24:24] find to be lease.

[2:24:27] The tournaments could have option to

[2:24:28] bring in outside food and beverage

[2:24:30] without needing approval. However, if

[2:24:33] they're not going to patronize us, we

[2:24:34] ask uh to enforce policy of preserving

[2:24:37] restaurant interior and patio seating

[2:24:39] for paying customers. We have spare

[2:24:41] tables and seats we would have to

[2:24:43] provide for them to set up somewhere on

[2:24:45] the lawn area.

[2:24:47] And even though you as a council

[2:24:49] approved our menus before signing the

[2:24:51] lease, we will remove fine dining

[2:24:54] options and go to a more simplified all

[2:24:55] day menu. We will do our best to

[2:24:57] accommodate requests made to you, the

[2:24:59] city council, if they are made known to

[2:25:02] us,

[2:25:05] including beers we have available on

[2:25:08] tap.

[2:25:09] So we hope this second option is

[2:25:12] acceptable if finishing out her release

[2:25:14] is not

[2:25:36] » I wasn't able to fully understand what

[2:25:39] options were. I'm sorry you were talking

[2:25:41] quickly and

[2:25:42] >> sorry I don't know

[2:25:46] but

[2:25:49] >> so we we would like to finish up but we

[2:25:52] understand

[2:25:54] that

[2:25:55] um

[2:25:59] you guys may not have changed. So, um,

[2:26:04] we're hoping to avoid the the the the

[2:26:08] legal rigorous because we are repeating

[2:26:12] that we're breaking our lease. So, my

[2:26:15] last option was that you terminate,

[2:26:18] you know, shorten our lease by year to

[2:26:21] end on March 1st of 2027 of next year.

[2:26:26] And if you guys make the requests that

[2:26:29] were known to you of what they'd like to

[2:26:32] see on our menu, what they'd like to

[2:26:34] see, we will do our best to make that

[2:26:37] happen. So if you want all Budweiser and

[2:26:41] Kors on top instead of the micro brews

[2:26:45] that we have, we'll do it. It's just

[2:26:47] we'd rather be working with you and the

[2:26:51] community than against you guys. This is

[2:26:54] not something that we saw coming. We

[2:26:57] wanted coming,

[2:26:59] >> right?

[2:27:01] >> We we we wanted time to transition to

[2:27:06] >> if that's if that's the only option.

[2:27:14] » Thank you.

[2:27:16] Questions from the board.

[2:27:30] questions, comments, statements,

[2:27:33] the ability to sell all this

[2:27:39] and this is what the complaints have um

[2:27:50] just that they all first

[2:27:55] and Cindy I mean they feel good about

[2:27:57] paying and stuff. I've I've sat down

[2:28:00] with them numerous times.

[2:28:03] um from the very beginning

[2:28:05] >> there's some of the transactions you

[2:28:07] have start from the very beginning the

[2:28:10] one thing the Google thing that really

[2:28:12] bothers me is like you'll see on some of

[2:28:14] them pages we get bad reviews through

[2:28:17] the golf course because people send them

[2:28:20] to the golf course and not to there

[2:28:22] because they're two different web pages

[2:28:25] so there's some um I mean

[2:28:30] what the problems I've had

[2:28:33] I met with these guys four or five times

[2:28:36] before we ever did the lease because

[2:28:38] we've gone down and we've just gone back

[2:28:40] and just we had the other people that

[2:28:42] were in there. We had a lot of

[2:28:44] complaints. I did tell them from the

[2:28:46] very beginning,

[2:28:48] you got to make the golfers happy. It's

[2:28:51] kind of a it's kind of a family out

[2:28:54] there. And once once you

[2:28:58] once that goes bad, then it's bad. And

[2:29:03] um the the things the things where like

[2:29:08] in the least that we've not

[2:29:11] that have never been done. The breakfast

[2:29:14] was a disaster. You guys knew that. We

[2:29:17] were supposed to have grabb and go.

[2:29:18] There's never been no grab and go. Um

[2:29:22] there was never coffee. Um it it

[2:29:27] were the things that really and then

[2:29:29] like the beer. Um and

[2:29:33] me and Sam guys a lot. Um the discount

[2:29:37] was basically this same me with them but

[2:29:41] basically the discount parts us telling

[2:29:43] you that the golfers weren't happy and

[2:29:46] we pretty much um said you had to do

[2:29:50] that. Um, we know that was our batch of

[2:29:56] >> that was ours. We met with Sam once. We

[2:29:59] had a whole freezer full of burritos

[2:30:02] ready to go. Here's here's the thing

[2:30:05] that I've had. You guys You guys are

[2:30:08] good. But we've taught you and I say,

[2:30:11] "You got to make sure the golf team are

[2:30:12] happy. You got to make sure it's all

[2:30:14] about the golfers about the golfers."

[2:30:15] The tournament thing is a big deal. We

[2:30:18] have 16 tournaments this year. Not one

[2:30:21] of them. You mean the Mesa people left,

[2:30:23] but not one of them um want to deal with

[2:30:27] the thing about the thing about

[2:30:33] having them bring their alcohol and the

[2:30:36] food. It's really hard on the greens for

[2:30:39] us to just it takes a lot more personnel

[2:30:42] to try to make this all happen. That

[2:30:44] food and all that. That's why in the

[2:30:46] lease

[2:30:50] agreement we had in there that we had to

[2:30:53] get all the alcohol and the food from the the restaurant. It's got to be

[2:31:01] we've got to work together. And what's hard is um I'm I'm just telling

[2:31:08] you I'm not trying to dump on you guys.

[2:31:11] I'm just telling you when the golfers

[2:31:12] have come to me. Um they close at 8:00

[2:31:16] after a tournament. I have to have tons

[2:31:19] and then you go through these. We sent

[2:31:21] out a survey to the members and we can

[2:31:24] read a lot. Um

[2:31:29] the hours you know you guys you know the

[2:31:33] cheap boys they complained about that.

[2:31:36] Um I mean this this weekend I had two

[2:31:39] complaints. I I get I get a complaint a

[2:31:41] week. Um the bathroom Saturday 1:00 I

[2:31:45] had some people call me said bathrooms

[2:31:48] were disgusting. So I sent Debbie in

[2:31:50] there to to um to clean. Um

[2:31:56] and another one said the drinks I had

[2:31:59] some people calling these people call me

[2:32:02] and they turn me over to she see me on

[2:32:06] the she see the my lean

[2:32:12] food because she said that that your

[2:32:16] all your drinks taste like cleaning

[2:32:19] supplies. Um it isn't. Um it's just the

[2:32:24] golfers think the prices. They don't

[2:32:26] like the menu. Um they they they would

[2:32:30] they love your pizza. They you can only

[2:32:34] get pizza certain times. It's just

[2:32:39] the golf has, you know, they have a

[2:32:41] hold. I mean, I'm there to I want what's

[2:32:45] bad is if the golfers ain't happy, then

[2:32:47] they're not happy playing golf. So, they

[2:32:49] go over there and they have a bad

[2:32:50] experience and then then it's it's just

[2:32:52] like a vicious circle. Not saying it's

[2:32:55] anything, but I think they started off

[2:32:58] wrong, you know, with with stuff. And I

[2:33:02] mean I um

[2:33:05] I just and you know I I have had Mike at

[2:33:09] Lensley tell me you know he I think he's

[2:33:12] got a something in there about he likes

[2:33:16] to serve beer. He said he asked you guys

[2:33:18] and you guys said nope. We brought in

[2:33:20] gluten-free

[2:33:22] and so that's the stuff I keep all the

[2:33:25] golfers keep telling me it's it's you

[2:33:28] know I other than that they're great to

[2:33:31] deal with they pay the rent I you know I

[2:33:34] haven't had any problems get the rent

[2:33:36] from um I just don't think what they are

[2:33:40] they're more trying to be fine dining

[2:33:43] and that place just needs to be hot pops

[2:33:47] some bar food And and and to get about

[2:33:51] the lease, there's no legal there

[2:33:53] because you didn't follow any of the

[2:33:55] rules. And I mean, they you know, they I had the town call me and think

[2:34:02] about serving alcohol. They know our

[2:34:04] license does not it's got to stay on our

[2:34:08] property and they work under our

[2:34:10] license. So, they were selling at when

[2:34:13] they were catering with our license and

[2:34:15] that's that's automatic. And then also I

[2:34:18] had to get down with the

[2:34:24] RV park um call me last summer. Remember

[2:34:28] they had one of the beverage park was

[2:34:30] over in there. So I' I've had them

[2:34:33] issues

[2:34:37] » most of this conveyed to the lieutenants

[2:34:41] you talked with.

[2:34:42] >> I I'

[2:34:44] I've told them they have to make the the golfers hadn't. Um, and I would tell

[2:34:51] the golfers, try to talk to me. The

[2:34:53] feedback I got all the time was they're

[2:34:56] hard to talk to. Um, I I would always

[2:35:00] just tell Cindy, you know, try to, you

[2:35:02] know, because every time I'm older, it's

[2:35:05] really slow and stuff. So, I was like,

[2:35:07] you know, we got to try to get the

[2:35:09] golfers to to come in. Um, I, you know,

[2:35:13] I bought I bought a $6,000 barbecue for

[2:35:16] real. How many times you guys use that?

[2:35:18] I mean, that was several times. We did

[2:35:21] barbecues,

[2:35:22] >> but we did a hot dog pick out.

[2:35:24] >> I mean, we were hoping the beverage was

[2:35:26] going to be out there every week. It

[2:35:29] maybe a couple times. Um, it's just

[2:35:35] I know that I mean their food's good.

[2:35:37] So, I'm not trying to I'm just saying I

[2:35:39] just don't think

[2:35:41] they they got on board with the golfers.

[2:35:44] You know, they they

[2:35:47] that's that's where we're at. And what's

[2:35:50] bad is, you know, I got right now I got

[2:35:52] memberships, you know, that they're

[2:35:55] like, you know, I don't know if I want

[2:35:57] to buy a membership because I don't want

[2:35:58] to deal with that, you know. I mean,

[2:36:00] believe it or not, I mean, it I know it

[2:36:02] sounds silly, but them golfers, that is

[2:36:06] a big

[2:36:08] they they they want people to go in

[2:36:10] there and have reasonable beer, you

[2:36:12] know. Um I you know I had a lady call me

[2:36:16] matter and he had because charge $18 for

[2:36:19] her class name. Um I I just tried to you

[2:36:23] know I kept because I know they were

[2:36:24] trying to but I just think you know from

[2:36:28] the very beginning what kind of makes me

[2:36:30] mad is we four signs I met what four or

[2:36:34] five and I kept saying

[2:36:38] got to have you know we got to cater to

[2:36:41] the golfers and I I think that's where

[2:36:44] right off the bat we we went more into

[2:36:47] this fine dining kind of thing instead

[2:36:50] of making it just a hot dog

[2:36:55] sell you sell burgers in salad.

[2:37:02] >> Thank you.

[2:37:08] » Okay.

[2:37:09] >> So, several things. Um, again, we had

[2:37:13] present our menus and to Billy and you

[2:37:16] guys before we even signed police. Um,

[2:37:20] so

[2:37:21] shouldn't be a surprise of what our menu

[2:37:24] offerings were. Um, we didn't subtract

[2:37:28] anything from them. We've only added,

[2:37:31] you know, smash burgers. Um, we extended

[2:37:33] happy hour, which you can get a beer for

[2:37:36] like $3. That goes till six, you know.

[2:37:39] Um, like Cindy said with the ladies

[2:37:42] league talked to us um for their when

[2:37:45] they were there, we extended happy

[2:37:46] houring through the evening for them.

[2:37:49] Um, yes, we close at 8:00 during fall

[2:37:52] and winter when golfers aren't there,

[2:37:54] but we um stay open till 9:00 and we've

[2:37:57] even stayed open till 10:00 if the

[2:38:00] golfers were there drinking. Um,

[2:38:03] sometimes even 11:00. Um, we've been

[2:38:05] there pretty late if the golfers were

[2:38:07] there drinking. Um, again,

[2:38:11] some of the complaints uh from the

[2:38:13] golfers were even before we took over

[2:38:16] and you know, we feel like we've never

[2:38:18] even been given a chance. Mike, yeah, he asked us for gluten-free beer. We

[2:38:23] started bringing in gluten-free beer.

[2:38:25] We've had golfers ask for highs. We

[2:38:27] didn't have highs. We brought in highs.

[2:38:30] You could ask all of our regulars that

[2:38:31] come in, you know, that they they're

[2:38:34] happy with us because we do listen to

[2:38:36] them. Okay. They said, "One thing about

[2:38:38] you guys is that when we suggest

[2:38:40] something, you you guys try to

[2:38:42] accommodate and put that on your your

[2:38:44] menus."

[2:38:46] Um, and again with my second proposal of

[2:38:51] shortening the release by the year, um,

[2:38:54] like I said, if you guys make known to

[2:38:57] us what the golfers are saying to you,

[2:38:59] which they aren't saying to us,

[2:39:01] regardless of what they're claiming,

[2:39:02] they're not talking to us, we will do

[2:39:05] our best to accommodate those requests,

[2:39:08] including beer on tap, including what's

[2:39:11] on the menu. Um

[2:39:15] we we you know we rather would this

[2:39:19] would have been a discussion um

[2:39:23] then I mean obviously you guys have a

[2:39:26] slew of complaints uh sent to Billy. We have not we have not nothing was

[2:39:33] brought to us. I I think Sydney would

[2:39:36] like to say something.

[2:39:40] I I wish all of these complaints would

[2:39:42] have been brought to us. I I don't think

[2:39:44] I'm not unreasonable. If if I were to

[2:39:47] have been told, "Your menu sucks. We

[2:39:49] don't like your menu. This is what we

[2:39:50] want." I've changed my menu over and

[2:39:54] over again to accommodate people. But

[2:39:57] how can I change that if I don't know

[2:39:59] anything? We we we've been told nothing.

[2:40:02] So, how how how

[2:40:05] can that fix anything? It's how could

[2:40:07] any of these problems be fixed without

[2:40:11] us being told this is exactly what the

[2:40:14] golfers are saying. This is what they

[2:40:16] don't like. This is what they hate. This

[2:40:18] is what they want to see change. I I can

[2:40:21] take criticism. I can take complaints. I

[2:40:23] can take all of that. But I can't change

[2:40:26] anything if I don't know what the

[2:40:27] problem is.

[2:40:30] And we've had we've had pots of coffee

[2:40:33] that we've thrown away that nobody's

[2:40:36] come in for as much as a single cup.

[2:40:39] We've had freezer full of quick and easy

[2:40:41] burritos to to warm up that we've

[2:40:44] eventually got freezer burn, had to

[2:40:45] throw away. We've had a lot of breakfast

[2:40:47] product that we've had to throw away,

[2:40:49] but yet we still stayed open. yet we

[2:40:52] still uh paid employees to be there even

[2:40:56] though none of the golfers

[2:40:59] ever came in to have breakfast. We've

[2:41:01] had breakfast sales but none of them

[2:41:03] were ever golfers.

[2:41:06] So,

[2:41:09] um, again, it's it's very disheartening

[2:41:12] for us and again, we'd rather be working

[2:41:15] with you and the golfers for the the

[2:41:20] next year, not even instead of, you

[2:41:24] know,

[2:41:26] doing

[2:41:27] the [clears throat] alternative, which

[2:41:29] would be, you know, us trying to fight

[2:41:31] and appeal this

[2:41:36] Thank you. Appreciate that.

[2:41:40] Um, [clears throat] questions, comments

[2:41:42] from the board.

[2:41:44] Wait, is this a a voting item?

[2:41:48] >> One more time.

[2:41:49] >> This an item that we voted on.

[2:41:51] >> Oh, voting. I think loading. Um, Mr.

[2:41:54] Chairman, ultimately you all made a

[2:41:57] decision prior,

[2:41:58] >> correct?

[2:41:58] >> And so, if you wanted to undo that

[2:42:00] decision, you can. Um, but that's up to

[2:42:04] you guys.

[2:42:04] >> Wonderful. That's all I need to take. Is

[2:42:07] there anyone that wants to make a motion

[2:42:08] in regards to um

[2:42:11] amending our prior action?

[2:42:20] No.

[2:42:25] The information that we had early on

[2:42:27] indicated that it time to make a change

[2:42:31] and stick with

[2:42:35] [clears throat] okay. At this point in

[2:42:36] time, the uh original

[2:42:39] um

[2:42:40] vote

[2:42:42] um determination stands. No further

[2:42:45] action will be taken.

[2:43:09] Okay, at this point I will break

[2:43:12] for lunch.

[2:44:04] meeting back.

[2:44:07] Up next is

[2:44:10] [clears throat] the procurement policy

[2:44:16] and

[2:44:18] everyone has the latest

[2:44:21] red line from

[2:44:23] the individ Is that correct?

[2:44:30] So going through we've had comments from

[2:44:32] a

[2:44:34] little I'm aware of

[2:44:38] from fire

[2:44:40] and then ver from Andre

[2:44:59] here if you like to go ahead address

[2:45:00] some of the findings that we have. That

[2:45:01] will be done in

[2:45:15] Mr. Chairman Commissioners. Thank you.

[2:45:17] Appreciate the opportunity to uh discuss

[2:45:20] the policy um as well. uh you all uh got

[2:45:25] a copy of my email and I'm I'm willing

[2:45:28] to answer any questions that you may

[2:45:30] have um certainly

[2:45:32] those sort of changes. I think the big I

[2:45:35] think the biggest thing is um

[2:45:37] feasibility especially with the vehicle

[2:45:39] procurement policy um for speaking

[2:45:43] specifically for the sheriff's office

[2:45:45] and not for the county as a whole. Um, I

[2:45:48] think that would and I'm not I'm not

[2:45:51] gonna speak for Billy. He can speak for

[2:45:53] himself, but I think this would be a a

[2:45:55] tall task for him to undertake. No, no

[2:45:59] doubt that he probably could do it, but

[2:46:01] that's no cons considerable heartache

[2:46:04] and uh and issues. But I really I

[2:46:07] really, you know, if this if this policy

[2:46:11] in effect is trying to be more fiscally

[2:46:14] responsible, um I think we would be

[2:46:16] going the opposite direction.

[2:46:21] I said one of the

[2:46:27] step back and look at this from the

[2:46:29] beginning if we can share it there.

[2:46:31] Yeah. Um when

[2:46:37] doing a business is the number of people

[2:46:40] do and they go out for basic services.

[2:46:47] [clears throat] They go out and purchase

[2:46:49] tires. They're a single owner shop and

[2:46:52] they go out and we hire to have it done.

[2:46:55] As my business grows, I hire employees

[2:46:58] to work for me and with me. And as my

[2:47:03] grows,

[2:47:06] I'll eventually hire

[2:47:08] to take care of my repairs, take care of

[2:47:10] fires, take care of different things

[2:47:12] like that. That makes sense. The purpose

[2:47:15] for that is so I can have individuals on

[2:47:18] call to address my needs. So I don't

[2:47:20] have to book out weeks in advance.

[2:47:23] And when I when they go out, this is

[2:47:27] only restoration example. If you go out and purchase a tire for $300,

[2:47:33] that's what I pay. It's $300. But if I

[2:47:36] go to an outside source, that outside

[2:47:38] source buys for 300.

[2:47:42] I hope I have the same buying floor as outside businesses.

[2:47:47] And then they have their markup on it, x

[2:47:51] number of dollars.

[2:47:53] And then they have their own mechanic,

[2:47:56] tire changer that they hire

[2:47:59] and they pay the hourly wage for them,

[2:48:02] but then they have a markup on that

[2:48:06] employee also. And at the end of the end

[2:48:09] of the day, depending on the business

[2:48:11] that's doing it, this markup's going to

[2:48:13] be anywhere from 20 to 50% or greater

[2:48:17] depending on where you business.

[2:48:20] I'm using this as an illustration,

[2:48:24] not negating anything that you said, but

[2:48:29] county is needs to look at this as a

[2:48:31] business and say we have

[2:48:35] capability

[2:48:37] on payroll to go out and purchase these

[2:48:39] items. And then we have further the

[2:48:42] employees, the equipment needed to make

[2:48:46] the repairs, to make them changes.

[2:48:49] And these are all at cost, if you will,

[2:48:52] with no markup associated with us. And

[2:48:55] so for

[2:48:58] us to say,

[2:49:00] well, we need to do business with

[2:49:03] different county businesses.

[2:49:06] And I agree with that to the extent of

[2:49:08] if we have the resources to do it, then

[2:49:12] we need to do it in house because

[2:49:14] ultimately it saves every taxpayer

[2:49:17] money. and we're not on a frivolous

[2:49:20] basis. And I think that makes sense

[2:49:23] there when it comes to the procurement

[2:49:26] policy.

[2:49:27] That's a different uh different topic

[2:49:31] and I'd be interested in in further

[2:49:34] exploring that.

[2:49:36] >> Yeah, Mr. Mr. Chairman, um I understand

[2:49:39] uh your concept and in a uh in a regular

[2:49:43] business world, I think that makes

[2:49:45] complete sense. However, I think we're

[2:49:47] missing the mark here and I think we are

[2:49:50] in in going to end up costing the

[2:49:52] taxpayers more money um if we were to go

[2:49:54] with the with the current procurement

[2:49:57] policy as as defined. I would agree that

[2:50:00] Billy has remarkable workers such as

[2:50:03] county shop that they can work on

[2:50:06] vehicles. However, they are limited. Um

[2:50:09] right now um the uh the sheriff's office

[2:50:12] has five different brands. Um, we have

[2:50:14] Chevys, we have Fords, we have Jeeps,

[2:50:17] and we acquired a Toyota here in Hub a

[2:50:20] couple years ago. In order for Billy to

[2:50:24] do the required updates or even the di

[2:50:27] the advanced diagnostics on those

[2:50:29] vehicles u would cost him and the county

[2:50:32] tens of thousands of dollars to get the

[2:50:34] specialized equipment needed to do that.

[2:50:36] the majority interrupt you there don't

[2:50:40] misunderstand but that's up to the billy

[2:50:41] to be turning for us

[2:50:43] >> I apologize I mean no disrespect

[2:50:47] okay then I apologize for that then but

[2:50:50] I would also say um that we have some

[2:50:53] very specialized equipment uh that would

[2:50:56] that require some specialized needs

[2:50:59] which I I know that the county does not

[2:51:02] have uh that we are required to use

[2:51:05] vendors outside um of either the county

[2:51:08] and the state of Wyoming

[2:51:10] for for our

[2:51:14] [clears throat]

[2:51:15] and I appreciate that is a

[2:51:18] possibility to say these are the things

[2:51:22] policy from your perspective

[2:51:25] and these are the items that we need to

[2:51:27] use outside 4579

[2:51:30] is

[2:51:32] conversation

[2:51:34] I don't know that in general.

[2:51:37] >> So I guess I I guess I guess guess my if

[2:51:40] I were to have an ask um

[2:51:45] instead of creating policy

[2:51:47] based on assumptions, I think we need to

[2:51:50] have real numbers on what's it what it's

[2:51:53] actually going to cost the taxpayers of

[2:51:55] this county before we put it into a a

[2:51:57] policy.

[2:52:02] I think that I'm only speaking as an

[2:52:05] individual

[2:52:06] and again it's not directed towards any

[2:52:08] department anyway but at the same time I

[2:52:12] mean I see [clears throat] the reports

[2:52:17] council table coming in and I perceive

[2:52:21] the agent excess suspended

[2:52:24] legislation that the tax managers are

[2:52:28] accepted they're both on

[2:52:31] not being able to be very

[2:52:34] responsible in a judiciary manner with

[2:52:37] that and engage the book at the time to

[2:52:41] save taxpayer money. That's a

[2:52:43] conversation that's been going on since

[2:52:45] last budget year budget year before

[2:52:50] that cost

[2:52:54] and

[2:52:56] if that's something that has not been

[2:52:58] fully

[2:52:59] embraced by different departments

[2:53:02] will help them go back

[2:53:06] because there are items on tables that

[2:53:12] I don't view as

[2:53:17] the individual department heads are not

[2:53:18] able to come up with

[2:53:23] a process where they go out and

[2:53:27] incompetitive

[2:53:28] on a regular basis then

[2:53:33] they're doing a good job complete.

[2:53:36] That's just my

[2:53:38] >> Okay. I I guess as a as a department

[2:53:41] head and also as an elective official, I

[2:53:43] would have taken offense to that because

[2:53:45] that's exactly what I tried to do with my fiscal budget every year for the

[2:53:49] sheriff's office. I can I mean if that

[2:53:52] is the case that you do feel that we are

[2:53:56] spending exorbitantly then I think um we

[2:53:59] need to as as the commissioners you need

[2:54:02] to get the vouchers from the county

[2:54:03] clerk go through and then we have that

[2:54:05] conversation as to why you think that

[2:54:07] that's overspending or not spending

[2:54:10] wisely for with our taxpayer money.

[2:54:12] >> I just gave you the illustration of the

[2:54:14] tires and that's a basic one.

[2:54:16] >> Sure. Um my rebuttal was um so now um

[2:54:21] our deputies are all over the the

[2:54:23] county. Some live in South County some

[2:54:25] live in North County. Um the time for

[2:54:27] them to take on their day off uh to

[2:54:30] bring a vehicle in uh for tires, for

[2:54:33] oil, is that going is that going to is

[2:54:37] that going to be cost effective as to

[2:54:38] what we're saving by uh buying a uh

[2:54:43] a bunch of tires? And that's where I go

[2:54:44] back to, you know, let's let's get let's

[2:54:47] get the numbers first cuz I have those

[2:54:50] and let's see what's going to be more

[2:54:52] cost prohibitive.

[2:54:54] I'd like to add a little I talked to one

[2:54:57] case this weekend and we didn't discuss

[2:55:01] tired but a simple oil change. He lives

[2:55:03] down here and drop his vehicle off

[2:55:06] service picked up when he's done goes

[2:55:08] back on duty $90 oil change under it. He

[2:55:13] figures if he has finally he'll get time

[2:55:15] and half on these days off go over there

[2:55:17] and wait for it to turn it into a $300

[2:55:19] oil changer which is something I hadn't

[2:55:22] thought of time paying him over time to

[2:55:24] go over you know simple oil change for

[2:55:27] South County

[2:55:28] have gain money right here locally

[2:55:33] so excuse

[2:55:36] >> but is he not capable or the

[2:55:41] deputy not capable

[2:55:43] of leaving the vehicle in jail or with

[2:55:47] Billy and taking another vehicle home.

[2:55:50] So with our fleet currently, we don't

[2:55:52] have vehicles that we can just provide a

[2:55:56] deputy to take home for two days, three

[2:55:58] days off. Um we have to have those

[2:56:00] vehicles for our deputies that are on

[2:56:02] the road that are working.

[2:56:05] Did I answer your question?

[2:56:06] I'm confused on that because if they're

[2:56:08] off then they take the vehicle home with

[2:56:11] them and it sits there for the few days

[2:56:13] or stay.

[2:56:14] >> So that's I guess that was I guess I'm

[2:56:16] trying to clarify. So are you expecting

[2:56:18] them to drive their personal vehicle or

[2:56:20] have somebody pick them up and take them

[2:56:22] home?

[2:56:24] But back to the question that I was

[2:56:26] asking on availability of units and

[2:56:29] that's where we don't our our fleet is

[2:56:32] diminished significantly uh because of

[2:56:35] the you know no new vehicle or no new

[2:56:38] vehicles for the past fiscal year. Um,

[2:56:41] I've I've given my vehicle up. Um, our

[2:56:44] patrol lieutenant has given his vehicle

[2:56:46] up. Um, just so our deputies have a

[2:56:51] vehicle uh that is safe and reliable for

[2:56:54] them to respond the calls. We don't have a vehicle where we can

[2:56:59] just give to um a county employee to

[2:57:02] leave um their county vehicle to take

[2:57:05] home and stay there uh for their two

[2:57:07] days, three days off, then bring back um

[2:57:10] to get their other vehicle.

[2:57:15] » How many do you have to share? I don't

[2:57:18] know the exact number.

[2:57:25] Other questions, comments?

[2:57:27] >> Well, I'd like to make a comment. I

[2:57:30] can't

[2:57:33] change for you if I can take this

[2:57:36] for my personal deal.

[2:57:40] I can call up and I can say, "Hey, I got

[2:57:43] to get my oil changed." generator

[2:57:54] that I use

[2:57:58] go in there like there.

[2:58:02] So would appear to be

[2:58:07] kind of average on on oil change

[2:58:12] have time after time after time

[2:58:15] or ask hey can I get my vehicle back at

[2:58:18] such and such a time yeah sure I sit

[2:58:22] down read a book they give me the call

[2:58:25] it's an hour or less and then oil change

[2:58:28] so

[2:58:31] I I'm looking at

[2:58:34] why should it be much different than for

[2:58:37] a deputy to call up and say if he's in

[2:58:41] the county we make

[2:58:46] a scheduled stop say hey I'm going to be

[2:58:50] in town I'll be like be there at 10:00

[2:58:52] can you get me chat I don't know I'm not

[2:58:55] talking for Billy I don't know how they

[2:58:57] are there all

[2:58:59] for my personal

[2:59:02] perspective. So my suspicion is they

[2:59:06] could set up that also is in the big

[2:59:08] deal. The old one or two is not but over

[2:59:11] time it becomes one and [clears throat]

[2:59:14] and we talk about

[2:59:19] been underneath all

[2:59:22] it's twice as much

[2:59:25] for any of the county departments

[2:59:31] later

[2:59:34] twice

[2:59:37] and that's a significant over time.

[2:59:41] Those are the kind of things we can look

[2:59:43] at and say, "Well, that's why that's in policy because

[2:59:50] you guys

[2:59:54] put us in a position of

[2:59:58] do we care, do we not care? Do we listen

[3:00:00] to the community say hey how come?" We

[3:00:03] have an answer for the hey, how come?

[3:00:05] Sometimes we don't because we don't know

[3:00:08] why.

[3:00:11] is it okay to spend 14 $1,500 on a

[3:00:15] set of tires and you can do it for sale?

[3:00:18] How do I answer that?

[3:00:23] And an answer is truthfully

[3:00:27] those are the things over time that

[3:00:29] we're trying to slow down as far as the

[3:00:32] vehicles go.

[3:00:35] I know the specialized equipment is

[3:00:37] something that could be a little

[3:00:38] different, but I'll guarantee

[3:00:42] that if I go out there and I try to find

[3:00:47] four Ford Broncos or Ford Jeep

[3:00:51] Gladiators or whatever it might be,

[3:00:55] I can get them out fairly reasonable.

[3:00:58] You can bring them back and go get up. I

[3:01:02] guess that's a terrible

[3:01:05] I don't think I'm talking about that.

[3:01:07] What we're talking about is that the

[3:01:09] vehicle gets set permanent policy allow

[3:01:16] this case

[3:01:19] to say okay we're going to go we get

[3:01:22] fors and we get cheap we get what you

[3:01:24] guys would like and we're going to put

[3:01:25] it together so that when it's all said

[3:01:27] and done it's a substantial savings

[3:01:32] I've grown with that I think the people

[3:01:35] of faith

[3:01:37] our salaries expected or they should

[3:01:41] and I think that's what this procurement

[3:01:43] policy is designed to try to do is to

[3:01:47] eliminate some overrun

[3:01:49] things that

[3:01:52] not necessarily

[3:01:56] understand the concerns you got

[3:01:57] understanding concerns and problem

[3:02:01] but the primary concern should be are we

[3:02:04] treating the taxpayers have been as

[3:02:06] brutally as we should be or as we can

[3:02:10] my perspective that's the ultimate goal

[3:02:13] I'm not going to put you in a pink

[3:02:15] scooter maker but I don't think you

[3:02:17] needed a Cadillac there

[3:02:23] your needs

[3:02:26] satisfy somebody from outside and says

[3:02:29] hey how come they're driving $100,000

[3:02:32] in fact they know you drive 60 and all

[3:02:34] this stuff

[3:02:36] >> [snorts]

[3:02:37] >> 30 40,000 unfair

[3:02:41] and so those are the kind of things I

[3:02:43] think we're looking at to try to

[3:02:46] bring back if you would in perspective

[3:02:50] and the little things amount to big

[3:02:52] things just being forever so we can slow

[3:02:57] down things

[3:03:00] I think over trying to accomplish

[3:03:05] policies intended to do and for myself

[3:03:08] when we put this together. I said, you

[3:03:11] know, I know there going to have to be

[3:03:12] some give and take. We're going to have

[3:03:14] to put back there and we're going to

[3:03:16] give some some feedback from the bargain

[3:03:20] and we're going to expand it and ex

[3:03:23] say I don't know about this and that's

[3:03:25] why you're here today so we can look at

[3:03:27] some of these things figure out what's

[3:03:30] overall for the community. I don't think

[3:03:33] anybody

[3:03:37] have a vehicle

[3:03:39] to get the job done,

[3:03:42] but you're going to be responsible for

[3:03:44] putting on the extra stuff. And I know

[3:03:47] there's a lot of it. I see.

[3:03:53] So I think that for me it's it's it's

[3:03:57] prudent to try to

[3:04:00] tear down some of the expenses if we can

[3:04:02] do so without

[3:04:04] any department

[3:04:07] policy. That's

[3:04:10] [clears throat]

[3:04:11] especially the fact that if everything

[3:04:14] is appointed the way it looks like we're

[3:04:17] going to be learning the downsides

[3:04:23] so to speak that makes it some

[3:04:28] I would prefer

[3:04:30] matter of fact I will not touch the

[3:04:34] salaries I will not touch the employment

[3:04:37] of the factor

[3:04:38] because those people need to make a

[3:04:40] living too. But I doesn't bother me at

[3:04:42] least cut out what I think might be a

[3:04:45] little bit of a fluff here, a little

[3:04:46] fluff there. And this time of year to

[3:04:48] begin to see some of that all of a

[3:04:50] sudden there's not just any one

[3:04:53] department with most department. Wow.

[3:04:56] Where'd that come from? It's a $25,000

[3:05:00] some

[3:05:02] heard of you. see a lot of that from now

[3:05:05] to the next

[3:05:09] budget session

[3:05:12] and so that's stuff from my perspective

[3:05:26] but for those

[3:05:31] under the fluff that maybe doesn't need

[3:05:33] to be involved.

[3:05:37] That's what I'm going to look for quite

[3:05:38] honestly. You didn't explain such

[3:05:41] I'm going to look

[3:05:44] I'm going to pick my guns in some

[3:05:46] business cuz I don't think it's wise

[3:05:50] charact

[3:05:52] private business somebody

[3:05:56] I don't think it's wise to spend if you

[3:05:59] don't know what you're going to have

[3:06:00] come in

[3:06:02] doesn't make sense to me

[3:06:05] well if I take more out of my saving

[3:06:07] else

[3:06:08] than I put back in it. After a while, my

[3:06:11] savings accounts gone. That's the same

[3:06:13] thing with reserves, accounting spend

[3:06:16] over time. The amount of money we just

[3:06:19] spend a million something here today in

[3:06:21] two weeks.

[3:06:24] So over time

[3:06:27] the earth which looks huge

[3:06:31] may not hear

[3:06:35] policy update way start

[3:06:40] maybe squeeze down

[3:06:43] understand everybody says oh I can't do

[3:06:45] without this that's okay let's try

[3:06:49] that's my take

[3:06:53] Mr. Chair, Mr. Commissioner, Chairman

[3:06:56] Vicky. Um, so to answer some of your

[3:06:58] points again, I think we're going back

[3:07:00] to presumption. Um, and I I'm someone

[3:07:04] that works in, you know, the facts. I

[3:07:07] don't want to I don't want to create a

[3:07:08] policy uh based on assumptions or

[3:07:11] presumptions. And um I heard you say

[3:07:14] that

[3:07:15] by um

[3:07:18] ordering uh a lot of tires and not

[3:07:21] having to pay the taxes, not having to

[3:07:23] pay the shipping and handling, not

[3:07:24] having to pay um you know the up the up

[3:07:28] cost in that that it's half of what

[3:07:30] we're paying right now. Um I'd like to

[3:07:33] see the real numbers on that unless you have those.

[3:07:40] So, I mean, and I can also vouch I can

[3:07:42] vouch for some of our local businesses,

[3:07:44] too, that they aren't charging us any

[3:07:46] more than they charge the public on an

[3:07:48] oil change, on tire rotations, on the

[3:07:51] purchase of tires just because we're the

[3:07:53] county entity.

[3:07:55] I personally know they would they would

[3:07:57] not do that to us or or the county

[3:08:00] because they're part of this community,

[3:08:01] too. There are there

[3:08:05] is

[3:08:09] no problem was not saying we overcharge

[3:08:12] the county versus the private investment

[3:08:16] but I think that uh commissioner vry

[3:08:20] made the statement that um that the uh

[3:08:23] the cost goes up because of that that

[3:08:24] they get charged um significant amount

[3:08:26] percentage percentage amount

[3:08:30] to the year to the year they're

[3:08:31] reporting by their deputies

[3:08:33] um get them oil changes, tire rotations

[3:08:36] while they're on duty. We can do that.

[3:08:38] But if you've received complaints, I've

[3:08:40] received the complaints. If they see our

[3:08:42] deputy on the side of the road that's

[3:08:44] stationary for more than 10 minutes,

[3:08:45] they're calling me and saying, "Hey,

[3:08:46] what why isn't he why isn't he

[3:08:48] responding to traffic? Why isn't he

[3:08:50] stopping vehicles?" Now, we're going to

[3:08:52] have deputies that are going to be

[3:08:53] sitting um in a lobby in uniform.

[3:08:58] What's the public perception going to be

[3:08:59] there?

[3:09:01] Well, if you're

[3:09:03] want

[3:09:08] to do that, I can. If I don't want to,

[3:09:10] but I'm going to pay you right now.

[3:09:13] Go around the county

[3:09:15] and ask me

[3:09:17] people, they'll say,

[3:09:22] down here side by side wondering what to

[3:09:24] do. I drive by I drive by up there,

[3:09:28] customer time after time after time.

[3:09:31] Two guys are set. They're going to face

[3:09:33] the one way the other. I come by there.

[3:09:37] They face one side, one the other. 65

[3:09:40] miles an hour. Guy asking me in a hurry

[3:09:44] to get in

[3:09:46] mile and a half. I know he's going 80.

[3:09:51] Why don't we

[3:09:55] make any difference? I'm not the one

[3:09:57] that's going to do it. I'm going to say

[3:09:59] again

[3:10:01] in this

[3:10:03] but it happens

[3:10:06] I I see

[3:10:09] by the fish turn after time I travel

[3:10:14] time after time after time and I know

[3:10:18] they're doing their job

[3:10:26] their lives

[3:10:38] But I need to come back to the point in

[3:10:40] order.

[3:10:55] » Mr. chairman. Um I'll I'll be I'll be

[3:10:58] brief and I'll end um but uh again I

[3:11:01] appreciate the opportunity to at least

[3:11:03] talk about it discuss I think I think

[3:11:05] there's a lot of ed education that can

[3:11:08] be done u on both sides and I may be

[3:11:12] happy to sit down and listen to that as

[3:11:14] well um because I'm not a

[3:11:18] not an accountant and uh but I do you

[3:11:21] know personally um I take it upon myself

[3:11:24] to responsibly

[3:11:26] budget every year. I can tell you for

[3:11:28] the past decade um the word has been to

[3:11:32] maintain or cut our budgets and I've

[3:11:35] done that every year. My budget that I

[3:11:37] had in two 2016 when I started is

[3:11:40] probably more or equal to the budget I

[3:11:42] have now. So it's government obviously

[3:11:46] we're going to do less and we cut all

[3:11:49] the time. Um and we have cut we cut

[3:11:51] physicians uh within the department

[3:11:53] through attrition instead of having to

[3:11:55] let people go. Um I dismissed my under

[3:12:00] sheriff uh just so we wouldn't have to

[3:12:02] cut employees um no longer have that you

[3:12:05] know that position uh to help out with

[3:12:08] all of our departments. So I I

[3:12:11] understand working in government. I've

[3:12:13] done it long enough to know um that yeah

[3:12:16] this is what we deal with. um we're not

[3:12:18] a private entity where um you know we

[3:12:21] can just create more money or money can come in and we have that

[3:12:25] luxury but I also want you to know that

[3:12:27] I'm not someone um that is um for fluff

[3:12:31] or I feel that we allow our depending

[3:12:34] what we need of our department to add

[3:12:36] fluff um to our to our budget every

[3:12:39] month. So with that and I appreciate

[3:12:44] that that being said, do you think that

[3:12:46] there would be the opportunity and

[3:12:49] latitude to sit down and say what

[3:12:52] commission is proposing

[3:12:54] not ideal

[3:12:56] and what I have maybe on the opposite

[3:13:00] end of the spectrum and might have a

[3:13:02] place in that we make this that

[3:13:06] everyone's needs. Is that a possibility?

[3:13:10] >> I I believe so, Mr. Chairman. Um the

[3:13:13] thing is is um we've cut all the fat

[3:13:15] that we can um with the increase in uh

[3:13:19] taxes, prices. Um

[3:13:23] inflation um it's uh it's difficult and

[3:13:27] uh I'm afraid if we are going to cut um

[3:13:30] it'll have to be personnel and I'm I'm

[3:13:32] prepared for that. So

[3:13:35] personality

[3:13:52] I I app I appreciate that sentiment and

[3:13:54] I think the ones that are on on the

[3:13:56] online appreciate that sentiment too. still

[3:14:01] and so it's not

[3:14:05] how you do that

[3:14:08] and think

[3:14:12] and I understand the procurement policy

[3:14:15] hasn't been broached before obviously

[3:14:17] and so all you can do is take the best

[3:14:20] yes approach at the onset and hope that

[3:14:23] you come up with we'll be glad we're

[3:14:25] able to give the departments of the

[3:14:27] constru

[3:14:28] other students. Yes, you're long. I know

[3:14:32] this works, but you missed this. We save

[3:14:35] money here. That's all we're trying to

[3:14:37] do. Sheriff and I and I do and I think I

[3:14:40] said that at the beginning and I

[3:14:41] appreciate just the opportunity to talk

[3:14:43] about it,

[3:14:44] >> right?

[3:14:44] >> I do have to Yeah. have to disagree with

[3:14:46] some things and I'm happy to sit down

[3:14:48] and discuss those. I think we actually

[3:14:50] need to put dollars to dollars u to make

[3:14:52] sure that we are saving the tax people

[3:14:54] money. I really appreciate it.

[3:15:01] We'll work together.

[3:15:03] All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr.

[3:15:09] Anyone else?

[3:15:20] I'm just

[3:15:22] [clears throat] my issues. what I see

[3:15:25] with the with room bridge is um I'm kind

[3:15:29] of different than a lot of departments

[3:15:30] because everything I do is a lot of

[3:15:33] money you know um

[3:15:37] I order fuel every 10 days that's always

[3:15:40] over 35,000 and so the 35,000 is the the

[3:15:44] bid I bid the fuel anyway um I guess my whole thing about the 7500 and the

[3:15:51] 35,000 is is everything I do. You know,

[3:15:55] covers, you know, when I order them, I

[3:15:58] do get I always bid every day, get

[3:16:00] prices. Um, my biggest thing is, and

[3:16:05] I, you know, I'm I'm an open book. I'll

[3:16:08] bring you guys I'll talk to you every

[3:16:10] two weeks on everything I do. Um, the

[3:16:14] $7,500 thing uh to get approval and

[3:16:17] stuff after that.

[3:16:19] If if I heard if I have a motor grater

[3:16:21] go down most time it's always over $7500

[3:16:24] to get it fixed and that's the stuff I

[3:16:28] just scares me a little bit. I'm afraid

[3:16:32] um it's going to hinder. I mean, we're 7

[3:16:35] days a week, you know, 24 hours 77 if we

[3:16:38] have to. And I So, I I jump on getting

[3:16:42] stuff fixed and and and everything. And

[3:16:45] then like fueling and the sealed bin

[3:16:48] thing, I I kind of don't know how that's

[3:16:51] going to work. The time frames what

[3:16:54] scares me on stuff. Um cutting edges,

[3:16:57] you know, I I you guys see the invoices.

[3:16:59] I spend $200,000 a year on that because

[3:17:02] it's um a set of blades that I go

[3:17:06] through probably three sets a year on my

[3:17:10] order, you know, maybe 2,000 a set. Um

[3:17:16] but a lot of it's availability, you

[3:17:19] know. Um, I I watch on when I'm buying

[3:17:23] these parts a lot of times, you know,

[3:17:25] where I get my cutting edges and stuff.

[3:17:28] They're, you know, they're 60 days out,

[3:17:31] you know, 90 days out. So, if they're in

[3:17:34] stock, I'll buy an extra set because I

[3:17:36] know I'm going to use them. That's the

[3:17:38] stuff that kind of scares me just, you

[3:17:40] know, moneywise. Um, so you know, um, if

[3:17:44] I had a way to come to a meeting to say,

[3:17:46] "Hey, I need to, you know, I'm like I

[3:17:49] just it it's just I'm afraid it's going

[3:17:52] to slow process down a little bit for

[3:17:55] me." Um, that like like the fuel like,

[3:17:59] you know, every 10 days, like I said, it

[3:18:01] just depends on fuel prices. You know,

[3:18:03] fuel prices were lower. So I've been

[3:18:05] about 38,000 every 10 days, but now you

[3:18:08] know I'll be up to because the prices

[3:18:12] I'll be more 40 50,000. Um so I guess

[3:18:16] with me the number wise kind of affects

[3:18:20] my operation.

[3:18:22] Um

[3:18:23] and and like I said, I'm an open book.

[3:18:26] Um I've been doing the road bridge

[3:18:28] budgeting since 2007.

[3:18:31] Um I think I'm kind of like Casey. If

[3:18:34] you look at some of my budgets, I'm way

[3:18:36] lower than I ever have been um on stuff.

[3:18:40] Um I mean, and I know this year's bad.

[3:18:43] I'm not going to ask for any equipment,

[3:18:45] any anything under the point of bare

[3:18:48] bones, too. I mean, the only thing I can

[3:18:50] cut more is is personnel. Um the thing

[3:18:55] that scares me is like our equipment and

[3:18:57] stuff is getting, you know, it's all

[3:19:00] pretty much off warranty. I mean, you

[3:19:02] guys know, we talked last year about

[3:19:03] budgeting my motivators. You know, I

[3:19:06] tried to get rid of them around 8,000

[3:19:08] hours. You know, more than half of them

[3:19:10] have right they're right there. Um, my

[3:19:14] 12 trucks, I mean, I know everyone says,

[3:19:16] "Oh, bridge got new trucks." Almost

[3:19:19] every one of them trucks are 25 years

[3:19:21] old, you know, and so this winter I was

[3:19:25] lucky. We didn't have a winner, so I

[3:19:27] didn't I didn't have to push him. But

[3:19:29] the things that things get I mean it's

[3:19:32] fine. I keep on going but it costs more

[3:19:35] money to fix and the stuff that's

[3:19:37] breaking is more expensive. So that's

[3:19:39] what scares me about this 35,000 stuff

[3:19:42] now that you know I don't know how you

[3:19:44] want me to do the parts and stuff like

[3:19:46] that because you you see I mean I had

[3:19:48] that dozer go down and you know that was just for one one little you

[3:19:54] know motor hydro hydrostatic motor on it

[3:19:57] and you know it was 46,000

[3:20:00] um

[3:20:02] so that's my you know I mean my problems

[3:20:07] with it is just the dollar amount for my

[3:20:10] operation, you know. Um, I do bid

[3:20:13] everything out. I mean, I bid out all

[3:20:15] the propane for all the buildings every

[3:20:18] year. I estimate how much we're going to

[3:20:21] use. Like I I So I I mean, I try to save

[3:20:24] the county as much money as I can. Um,

[3:20:28] on the tire, I I submit them forms every

[3:20:31] year so we get the government discounts,

[3:20:33] so we get them for half price. Um, so I do not try to just um blow my budget.

[3:20:41] I really don't. Um, but on some things

[3:20:46] like a seal bid over 35,000 is kind of,

[3:20:50] you know, that's going to take a lot a

[3:20:53] lot of effort to put in there, you know,

[3:20:55] to make sure and we don't get ourselves

[3:20:57] in trouble. And and I guess I don't know

[3:20:59] how how particular you want to be on

[3:21:02] them bids and stuff like that if we you

[3:21:05] know um and a lot of it's just time and

[3:21:08] availability with my with my department

[3:21:12] um of getting stuff. So that's that's

[3:21:16] all. So when you accumulate things and

[3:21:20] then submit for government pricing.

[3:21:23] >> Yeah. When you purchase a tire at one of

[3:21:28] the outside vendors, are they also

[3:21:30] subject to government pricing? No. You got to no local person can get

[3:21:36] government pricing. You got to be a

[3:21:37] government agency and you got to fill

[3:21:39] out forms and everything and we got to

[3:21:42] put, you know, all all our information

[3:21:44] and stuff down. And then I have to sign

[3:21:48] when when we get every every time I

[3:21:50] every year I have to sign saying that

[3:21:53] them tires will only be used on

[3:21:55] government vehicles. So with that said

[3:21:59] because I don't know we presume that you

[3:22:02] could

[3:22:05] pick up for the sheriff's department

[3:22:07] also for his vehicle.

[3:22:08] >> Correct. And we have so many times Case

[3:22:11] Casey and Casey Casey could buy off of

[3:22:13] this too. Right. Only through only

[3:22:16] through river bridge. Yeah. Okay. So if

[3:22:19] you happen to go XYZ out here

[3:22:22] commissioner victory.

[3:22:24] Yeah. You there's only you gota like

[3:22:26] every year you get this you fill out the

[3:22:29] thing you know like right now it's good

[3:22:31] year stone is the government. You got to

[3:22:35] use them brands. They're they're the

[3:22:36] ones that got the government discount

[3:22:38] that that to do that. And so you have to

[3:22:42] buy those brands and you have to go

[3:22:45] through this, you know, through like a,

[3:22:48] you know, you got to be used for

[3:22:49] government vehicles and um then you can get that that price and like

[3:22:56] right now the only you know the you got

[3:22:58] to you got to deal with dealers all

[3:23:00] dealers. It's all the same price. dealer

[3:23:03] can change prices, you know, because you

[3:23:06] got the list from the the federal

[3:23:09] government send you the list of what

[3:23:11] they got to charge you for tires.

[3:23:15] So like right now the only the two

[3:23:17] suppliers that I that only selling

[3:23:19] brands is tired and and commercial

[3:23:22] tires. So that's why I get my tires

[3:23:26] at 50%.

[3:23:29] Is that correct?

[3:23:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. And there's they're not, you

[3:23:32] know, a lot of guys I've heard, you

[3:23:34] know, they're going for seconds. They're

[3:23:35] not. It's just they're, you know, they

[3:23:38] they're it's just these these tire

[3:23:42] companies

[3:23:44] been on this

[3:23:46] government discount, you know, they just

[3:23:48] they're working in volume.

[3:23:51] One of the statements made early in

[3:23:54] earlier

[3:23:56] um outside of today's meeting was that

[3:23:59] by doing some of this they understood.

[3:24:02] What's your what's your feeling there?

[3:24:06] >> No, I'm not I mean right now I mean I

[3:24:09] got plenty plenty of mechanics. We can

[3:24:11] get them in whenever. Um,

[3:24:14] you know, right now normally, you know,

[3:24:17] they they like Casey said, his guys will

[3:24:19] drop the vehicle off and on their days

[3:24:22] off and we, you know, we we do all the

[3:24:25] oil change and we rotate the tires and

[3:24:27] then and everything and we just, you

[3:24:30] know, then they pick it up on their days

[3:24:31] off. Um like the like Casey is right

[3:24:36] like we have we have your basic which we

[3:24:40] have the same is most everybody in Pine del M you know computer wise to

[3:24:48] plug in and they'll tell you kind of

[3:24:49] what's going on with them. Um if it's

[3:24:52] something major normally I just throw

[3:24:54] them on the transport and I run you know

[3:24:57] the toy dealer and get whatever needs

[3:24:59] done done. That's what I do with my

[3:25:01] trucks and other trucks. But that it

[3:25:05] isn't feasible to try to keep up with

[3:25:08] all the because they just the monthly

[3:25:11] fees on the computer systems and that

[3:25:13] are just unreal. You know, we did a

[3:25:15] little bit. We we when when Casey had a

[3:25:18] bunch of dodges, we did and I had a

[3:25:20] bunch of dodges. We bought the dodge and

[3:25:23] I think we paid back then like 12,000 a

[3:25:26] year. And then every time you it looks

[3:25:29] like every other month you had to

[3:25:30] upgrade it. Upgrade it was 25 here, 2500

[3:25:33] here, 25. So it's just it's more

[3:25:35] feasible to just if you can look and see

[3:25:39] what the problem is and if if it

[3:25:43] most everything's electronics now and

[3:25:45] stuff. So it's just easier just to haul

[3:25:48] it down there and get it fixed and bring

[3:25:50] it back.

[3:25:52] >> Thank you.

[3:25:53] Um, are you comfortable comfortable

[3:25:55] going through this and identifying

[3:25:57] different areas of work and seeing

[3:25:59] mechanical?

[3:26:01] >> Oh, yeah. I I just wanted to kind of let

[3:26:03] you know where I'm at, you know. I mean,

[3:26:05] and I'm like I said, I'm different in a

[3:26:07] lot of departments and everything and I

[3:26:09] seem to deal with this big numbers, you

[3:26:12] know. Um,

[3:26:14] you know, but I do try to I get pricing

[3:26:19] on everything. The thing I do, I get

[3:26:20] pricing. Um, when I buy pickups or

[3:26:24] semiis or whatever or graders, I have my

[3:26:27] spec and I send them out, you know, to

[3:26:30] John Deere. I sent them out to

[3:26:32] everything and and, you know, a lot of

[3:26:34] them don't meet my spec. We have

[3:26:36] certain, you know, like on some of the

[3:26:37] snow, you know, I want I want my motor

[3:26:40] graders to be versatile and some of them

[3:26:42] you can't you can't run wings on and

[3:26:45] stuff like that. So, that's how I

[3:26:47] eliminate a lot.

[3:26:49] But I do I do I do try saving the county

[3:26:53] money and I try to do every opportunity

[3:26:56] I can get to bid and do these government

[3:27:01] um programs and that I do I do try doing

[3:27:05] them all but I was just kind of worried

[3:27:07] about the still did

[3:27:10] 7 to wait I mean if I can you know I'm I'll work however you guys want me

[3:27:17] to do just if I can contact somebody and

[3:27:20] you know with you guys or something over

[3:27:22] $7,500 so I don't have to wait for get

[3:27:26] stuff ordered or stuff like that you

[3:27:28] know I'm I'm open for your individual

[3:27:32] proposals on a different I can

[3:27:36] do that because I certainly don't know

[3:27:39] what you know Billy I can't presume to

[3:27:42] put myself in the position so your

[3:27:44] guidance okay

[3:27:48] thank you Anyone

[3:27:52] else please?

[3:27:59] I'm sorry.

[3:28:05] » Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, thank you

[3:28:08] for letting speak on behalf of Chief

[3:28:10] Cooper today. He sent you an email. Um,

[3:28:14] I'm here to answer any questions you

[3:28:16] might have on this email, but I do

[3:28:19] encourage you to speak with Chief

[3:28:23] Cooper, Sheriff Leer, Bill,

[3:28:26] um, people that operate specialized

[3:28:29] equipment

[3:28:30] that, um, we can all get together and

[3:28:34] have a working solution

[3:28:37] to a positive procurement policy. Um,

[3:28:43] I know for my years working with Sully,

[3:28:46] um, I [clears throat] can honestly say I

[3:28:49] have watched every penny that has been

[3:28:53] spent through the sheriff's office when

[3:28:55] I work there through fire. I know that

[3:28:58] when Chief Cooper is working on a new

[3:29:01] fire truck, it takes him weeks, to put together a spec sheet. um

[3:29:08] precise. He's very thorough.

[3:29:12] Um it doesn't come lightly to him. He

[3:29:15] watches every penny as well.

[3:29:17] Unfortunately, fire equipment is very

[3:29:20] expensive such as road and bridge

[3:29:22] equipment is very expensive. Um

[3:29:27] if you have any questions,

[3:29:30] I'll take them now. If not, I encourage

[3:29:33] you rather than voting on this today to

[3:29:36] table it and

[3:29:38] work with Sheriff Leer, Chief Cooper,

[3:29:40] and Billy and come up with a working

[3:29:43] solution that works for every department

[3:29:46] in Serge

[3:29:50] has been sent to

[3:29:53] if we were a different mindset, we would

[3:29:57] have stayed clear,

[3:29:59] >> but rather

[3:30:01] your first step

[3:30:06] and asking for assistance to establish

[3:30:12] a body believe that I'm not going to

[3:30:15] correct me wrong.

[3:30:17] We think we can do better and every

[3:30:20] dollar we save is not my dollar. It's

[3:30:24] not your dollar. It's the taxpayers's

[3:30:26] money.

[3:30:27] >> Exactly. And our responsibility as

[3:30:29] elected officials is to try to save as

[3:30:33] much as possible and it's not attacking

[3:30:35] department heads or different

[3:30:37] individuals elected officials.

[3:30:41] This is the nature of what we're doing.

[3:30:44] That that's all it is. So this please

[3:30:47] work with us and come up with something

[3:30:48] that's workable for everyone. And if you

[3:30:51] want to create an adversarial

[3:30:54] occupation with us

[3:30:57] to go

[3:31:00] that's all we're asking please.

[3:31:03] >> Okay. Did you have any questions on this

[3:31:05] email?

[3:31:06] >> I'll chat with Chad here in the next

[3:31:08] week or so.

[3:31:08] >> Perfect. Thank you. Thank you.

[3:31:11] >> Anyone else please?

[3:31:17] » Hopefully all my questions get answered.

[3:31:20] Right. Yeah.

[3:31:23] >> Mr. Chairman, um just what I want to

[3:31:26] touch base on is uh [clears throat]

[3:31:31] definition of emergency kind of just

[3:31:33] because like Blake and uh and with

[3:31:38] maintenance, we're kind of the same, but

[3:31:39] we got really expensive buildings.

[3:31:41] Anything can happen at any time. And I

[3:31:44] just don't want to be scared to pull the

[3:31:45] trigger on some if we're out to do

[3:31:50] for example um three weeks ago we had

[3:31:54] fire alarm system dump fill system full

[3:31:57] of water and that system um actually

[3:32:02] goes outside on the north side of my

[3:32:04] building and being 9° and 2:30 in the

[3:32:06] morning. I have to call fire engineering

[3:32:09] at 2:30 in the morning and get vehicles

[3:32:11] rolling so we can get water out those

[3:32:13] lines before they freeze and break. Um,

[3:32:16] and that's usually over $7,500 when we

[3:32:20] have to do that. Um, fire engineering is

[3:32:24] our company um, countywide that takes

[3:32:27] care of all of our systems. So, I guess

[3:32:30] I don't know what that would look like

[3:32:32] if that fell outside of your definition

[3:32:35] of emergency. we going to start bidding

[3:32:37] some of those services out to do price

[3:32:40] comparison on that or if or if we're

[3:32:43] needing to call for approval because I

[3:32:46] don't think you guys want to hear from

[3:32:48] me at 2:30 on Sunday morning for water

[3:32:50] and fire system. Um so I just I just

[3:32:54] want to make sure that the definition of

[3:32:57] emergency for those kind of things we're

[3:32:59] all on the same page. Um, and then the

[3:33:02] same thing like if one of my wells go

[3:33:04] down or something like that when I have

[3:33:06] people on the fairgrounds. We only have

[3:33:08] a couple different well drillers in the

[3:33:10] county. Um, we have one that takes care

[3:33:12] of this right now. So, I just

[3:33:15] want to make sure that I just don't want

[3:33:18] to make a decision on Saturday and be

[3:33:20] fired on Monday kind of deal.

[3:33:26] » Yes.

[3:33:29] every day. [laughter]

[3:33:31] >> Right. Right. Um I've been here since

[3:33:35] 2011, made a lot of decisions um since

[3:33:38] then to um help with some of this and I

[3:33:41] just

[3:33:43] yeah just want to make sure that like

[3:33:46] some of our definitions and I know they got some of the same concerns

[3:33:50] probably uh just because some of the

[3:33:52] equipment in our buildings are so much

[3:33:54] more than that 7500

[3:33:57] um so as always just moving up to you is

[3:34:00] we can that that maybe worked out

[3:34:03] between the two of us.

[3:34:06] >> Sure. And it's pretty much like explain

[3:34:10] to Billy P and sheriff.

[3:34:14] Let's find something

[3:34:17] to kind of come agree on and come and

[3:34:21] start

[3:34:24] moving forward. That's all.

[3:34:27] Thank you.

[3:34:28] >> Well, Blake, he answered all your

[3:34:30] question. We don't need to hear from

[3:34:31] you.

[3:34:32] >> Okay. [laughter]

[3:34:34] Do you have something like

[3:34:38] commissioners? Uh I think they addressed

[3:34:40] most of them. I mean I think mining and

[3:34:43] Andre's biggest question was you know

[3:34:46] going into budget like are we expecting

[3:34:49] to have all of these things done? But it

[3:34:52] sounds like we're going to move the ball

[3:34:54] down the road. Um, which our budget's a

[3:34:58] little bit different than the way Billy

[3:34:59] is cuz, you know, he plans for his

[3:35:02] projects and the engineers help him

[3:35:04] decide what the cost estimate should be

[3:35:06] and then later on when they actually do

[3:35:08] the project, you bid it out where all of

[3:35:11] the things that are usually in our

[3:35:13] budget other than emergencies or that

[3:35:16] are things that we want to replace that

[3:35:17] are broke or that we know has to be

[3:35:19] replaced like the air conditioners,

[3:35:21] things of that sort. We all that's bid

[3:35:25] out and we find the price and that's how

[3:35:27] it gets put in the budget to start with

[3:35:29] and so that's somewhat confusing in that

[3:35:32] of about invoices of if it's already in

[3:35:35] the budget because pretty much

[3:35:37] everything it's a major component in

[3:35:40] budget you have x number of dollars

[3:35:44] you know that we have money set aside

[3:35:46] why would you not call two or three

[3:35:48] other vendors regarding what they're

[3:35:50] pricing yet we've already turned

[3:35:53] inventory, but maybe you can save,000,

[3:35:57] $10,000 by quicker

[3:36:01] shopping at that point. That makes

[3:36:03] sense.

[3:36:04] >> Um, it does, but most of those projects

[3:36:07] we already got a bid from everyone and

[3:36:10] the number that we put in the budget was

[3:36:12] the lowest person

[3:36:14] >> and then a lot of those things are

[3:36:16] >> six months later.

[3:36:18] >> True. But a lot of those things are

[3:36:20] equipment where when the budget is first

[3:36:23] passed, those people get their checks

[3:36:25] and they order equipment and then it

[3:36:28] gets installed later. So, you know, like

[3:36:31] the air conditioner project at the

[3:36:33] courthouse, perfect example, you know,

[3:36:35] July 17th, the budget got passed, will

[3:36:38] orders those. They don't even show up on

[3:36:41] site until the end of December. And then

[3:36:44] hopefully Steve gets some power this

[3:36:46] week and we actually commission next

[3:36:48] week. I mean it is there it is a

[3:36:51] year-long pro I mean the whole entire

[3:36:53] budget cycle just to get that one

[3:36:56] project done. Um and then my other big

[3:36:59] concern is

[3:37:02] it has taken

[3:37:04] and

[3:37:05] Jay can attest to this. It has taken 15

[3:37:08] years since I took over fire suppression

[3:37:11] responsibilities which still not exactly

[3:37:14] sure how I got that job but I got

[3:37:17] [laughter] and I've done really good

[3:37:19] tried really hard to save a lot of

[3:37:20] money. So in 2011 when I took over it

[3:37:24] was every department did their own

[3:37:26] inspections. It was it was a mess. It

[3:37:29] was a it took like two months 70,000

[3:37:31] bucks between everyone. everyone spent

[3:37:33] the $70,000 just to get in inspection

[3:37:36] stuff. Nothing to do with actually

[3:37:39] fixing deficiencies and keeping your

[3:37:40] stuff running. And uh when Andy bestowed

[3:37:45] that project upon me, you know, we bid

[3:37:48] everything and it kind of came down and then I mean literally we

[3:37:54] do time and materials now and last year

[3:37:57] I mean with time and materials I got it

[3:37:59] done for $31,000

[3:38:01] like there's vast amounts of times when

[3:38:06] time and materials is drastically

[3:38:09] cheaper than the bid process. us because

[3:38:13] when you're having people bid stuff,

[3:38:15] they plan for every horrible disaster in

[3:38:18] the world where which I wish there were

[3:38:20] some oil field people here, but where

[3:38:22] even the oil field most bad construction

[3:38:25] and stuff now they do time and material

[3:38:28] cuz they don't want all those people

[3:38:30] putting a new motor grader tire on there

[3:38:32] for the price of 12 grand when the motor

[3:38:35] never broke down the whole time they did

[3:38:37] the job where and maybe that's one of

[3:38:40] those things that you were talking about

[3:38:42] where there's certain things that time

[3:38:43] and material is super super cheaper than

[3:38:47] a big process and then

[3:38:50] I get the pricing services

[3:38:53] but the people at fire engineering know

[3:38:56] not only did they build almost all of

[3:38:59] our fire suppression in our buildings up

[3:39:00] until independent living um

[3:39:04] we have a great business relationship

[3:39:06] with those people I can call one of

[3:39:08] those people at 4:00 in the

[3:39:10] when there is a disaster and they will

[3:39:14] sometimes it takes a second phone call

[3:39:16] but they will get up and answer the

[3:39:17] phone and help me talk through our

[3:39:19] problem so that our property is not

[3:39:22] being more destroyed and get it to a

[3:39:24] point where we don't have to do an

[3:39:26] emergency service call at 2:30 in the

[3:39:28] morning cuz

[3:39:30] that starts at about 5,000 bucks to have

[3:39:32] them roll the truck in the middle of the

[3:39:34] night. um where when if we go to the

[3:39:36] thing where every other every year it's

[3:39:38] changing to someone different, those are

[3:39:42] all those relationships are thrown out

[3:39:43] the window. And uh the other good

[3:39:46] example is was that two years ago when

[3:39:48] you were out in the high school final

[3:39:49] rodeo,

[3:39:51] two [clears throat] days before the

[3:39:52] rodeo,

[3:39:54] Jay won and Jay's pipes break, which

[3:39:58] pretty much have to shut the whole fire

[3:39:59] system down. So nobody can be

[3:40:01] technically in the a center. Kay calls

[3:40:04] me. I get on the phone with fire

[3:40:06] engineering and they're like, "Oh, it'd

[3:40:07] be like Monday before we can build a

[3:40:09] pipe before we can get the pipe built

[3:40:11] and get back up there because the shop's

[3:40:12] really busy." And uh

[3:40:16] so I told the salesman, I was like,

[3:40:18] "Well, I'll call James and I'll see how

[3:40:20] busy the shop really is. I have great

[3:40:23] rapport with the people in the shop." I

[3:40:26] call the shop, tell James where we're at

[3:40:28] and I really need this piece of pipe

[3:40:30] made. James goes, "I'll get it done.

[3:40:33] call the office back, tell them schedule

[3:40:35] the people for tomorrow. James stays

[3:40:38] late, builds a pipe, next day they're

[3:40:41] up, put it in, and the high school rodeo

[3:40:44] goes off without a hitch. Where if we

[3:40:47] get rid of those relationships,

[3:40:51] those kind of things will not happen.

[3:40:53] And

[3:40:56] th those people, we aren't paying extra.

[3:40:58] It just they know that we are always

[3:41:00] doing you know it's just give and take

[3:41:03] where they know they are going to help

[3:41:06] us where most fire companies only do one

[3:41:10] thing like they do inspections but they

[3:41:13] don't do service work and then it is a

[3:41:16] mess because it'll be like 2011 where

[3:41:19] you have the fire marshal standing there

[3:41:21] telling you well I'm going to kick

[3:41:23] everyone out of the courthouse because

[3:41:24] you have deficiencies that aren't being

[3:41:26] addressed and until you get them

[3:41:28] addressed, nobody's going to be in the

[3:41:30] building. And it really hard to get to

[3:41:33] the point we're at where I just don't

[3:41:35] want to go backwards because I've done

[3:41:38] it as cheap as humanly possible. And I

[3:41:41] really to all the department heads here,

[3:41:43] I think we can all attest that they've

[3:41:45] done a better job than anyone else. Like

[3:41:48] they know how our stuff works.

[3:41:53] That's about it.

[3:41:56] >> Thank you.

[3:41:59] for

[3:42:02] the first step in the process.

[3:42:05] Received your concerns and are willing

[3:42:08] to discuss and come to um

[3:42:13] different working options if available

[3:42:16] and hopefully work together on this. But

[3:42:18] the bottom line again is to address

[3:42:22] the expenditure of the taxpayer dollar

[3:42:26] and is not directed towards any

[3:42:28] individual or any specific department of

[3:42:31] the head or elected official.

[3:42:34] It's hard to do anything

[3:42:47] up next.

[3:42:52] So just Mr.

[3:42:53] funding

[3:42:55] this certain modification in need. Do

[3:42:58] you want to make any changes to the

[3:43:00] recover policy at this point or is that

[3:43:01] something you guys are going to think

[3:43:02] about another day?

[3:43:05] >> Well, I thought perhaps I wasn't clear,

[3:43:09] but I requested the different department

[3:43:10] heads to sit down and take a look at

[3:43:12] what's printed here and see if there's

[3:43:15] some viable options that they're capable

[3:43:18] of working with. and that we can sit

[3:43:20] down again and address them and

[3:43:21] commissioners can

[3:43:24] use that as a working model to see what

[3:43:27] we can adopt and move forward.

[3:43:29] >> Okay. So that'll be a different

[3:43:30] discussion than today.

[3:43:32] >> Correct.

[3:43:32] >> Okay. Just thank you for that

[3:43:33] clarification.

[3:43:34] >> Okay. Welcome. Thank you. And is that

[3:43:36] something that

[3:43:38] the department has comfortable with two

[3:43:40] weeks or do you need a month?

[3:43:46] » Two weeks for two weeks.

[3:43:49] And we're now

[3:43:55] shar two weeks, four weeks, two weeks.

[3:43:58] Thank you.

[3:44:00] Again, next meeting.

[3:44:05] Thank you.

[3:44:09] Yes.

[3:44:13] Um

[3:44:19] up next is Malinkovich

[3:44:22] for county commissioners bylaw

[3:44:23] resolution.

[3:44:25] >> I just have the resolution here to sign.

[3:44:28] >> Anything else in addition to that?

[3:44:30] >> That's all I got.

[3:44:31] >> Yeah, I have an executive

[3:44:34] session requested.

[3:44:42] 165.

[3:44:57] » So, are you guys going to sign that

[3:44:58] resolution before you executive session

[3:45:00] or you do that after

[3:45:02] this?

[3:45:04] >> To approve the bylaws. Now you just get

[3:45:06] a vote to approve the resolution and

[3:45:08] then sign the resolution and that

[3:45:10] resolution gets recorded uh in the

[3:45:15] it gets recorded as part of the county

[3:45:17] record as a resolution.

[3:45:21] Is there a resolution number or is that

[3:45:23] >> Yes, it's in the top.

[3:45:34] Motion to approve resolution 25-1000519B

[3:45:39] adoption of board of county commissioner

[3:45:41] meeting votes.

[3:45:43] >> Second

[3:45:44] special action of county commission

[3:45:47] meeting.

[3:45:49] Is there any discussion?

[3:45:52] All in favor?

[3:45:54] Any opposed? I [clears throat]

[3:45:59] in favor one opposed.

[3:46:04] Four in favor, one oppos.

[3:46:15] » Your new rules say you do.

[3:46:16] >> I think that's what I'm saying.

[3:46:20] It hasn't passed yet. So, I'm not saying

[3:46:22] it has passed.

[3:46:24] I tell you what, trouble's coming.

[3:47:13] made a motion to go into executive

[3:47:15] session 26

[3:47:17] 45

[3:47:24] second

[3:47:26] or nine. Did you say Roman at three or

[3:47:27] did you say Robin at nine?

[3:47:30] >> Three. You should say nine. Okay,

[3:47:33] correction

[3:47:42] » otherwise conf

[3:47:52] » Okay.

[3:47:53] >> Less less than 10 minutes.

[3:47:55] >> Okay.

[3:47:55] >> Probably less than five. Okay.

[3:48:00] A few minutes, please.

[3:48:27] up next.

[3:48:31] Uh

[3:48:33] please

[3:48:47] » Oh, yeah.

[3:48:49] to the chair if he called me. So,

[3:48:54] we just stepped outside. Do you want me

[3:48:55] to go get them? Is that who you're

[3:48:57] speaking about?

[3:48:59] >> I think Amaya or they question.

[3:49:02] >> Well, you've also got public health. So,

[3:49:03] if you wanted to because I think Jan I

[3:49:05] think Jan is trying to get back to the

[3:49:07] clinic.

[3:49:08] >> She should.

[3:49:13] [laughter]

[3:49:15] » Sorry. from the gallery visiting the

[3:49:17] rules. I apologize there

[3:49:20] following the agenda.

[3:49:23] [laughter]

[3:49:25] >> Thank you.

[3:49:35] » I thank you for letting us come. I have

[3:49:40] a few updates that I wanted to go

[3:49:42] through with you. I wanted to um

[3:49:46] let some of my staff do the bulk of it.

[3:49:49] So, you want to start? Sure. Okay. We'll

[3:49:52] start with gambling.

[3:49:55] Yeah. I'm Becky Crow. I work in suicide

[3:49:58] and substance abuse prevention. I also

[3:50:01] work where we get uh gambling funds. Um

[3:50:04] the county does and that's what we're

[3:50:06] bringing to you today that hopefully

[3:50:08] you'll approve to receive these funds

[3:50:11] into the county. Um, and thankfully

[3:50:13] that's mostly when you see me it's about

[3:50:16] approving funds that are convenient. And

[3:50:18] so thank you for support of prevention

[3:50:22] with this problem gambling. I did want

[3:50:24] to give you a little information about

[3:50:27] problem gambling in Wyoming and it's

[3:50:29] increasing as the gaming industry

[3:50:32] expands more and more into Wyoming. And

[3:50:35] of course, they have to pay funds to

[3:50:37] each county to try to offset the

[3:50:40] consequences of problem handling. So,

[3:50:42] here's a little information on that. Um,

[3:50:45] our youth are at higher risk and I guess

[3:50:48] that's hopefully a live and learn

[3:50:51] moments for our youth, but also it can

[3:50:53] turn into long-term problems. But it's

[3:50:56] about almost to it's 29% for young men

[3:51:00] and 26 per percent for young women 18 to

[3:51:03] 29 have reported in Wyoming reported two

[3:51:06] or more gambling related problems. Um

[3:51:09] problem gamblers do think have a higher

[3:51:11] risk of suicidality

[3:51:14] and individuals with a gambling disorder

[3:51:16] face 15 times higher suicide mortality

[3:51:20] than the general population. Um, but

[3:51:22] problem gambling is preventable and

[3:51:24] treatable and that's what we use these

[3:51:26] funds for. In the past, I've used them

[3:51:29] to uh create our prevention website, but

[3:51:34] also to add um gambl problem gambling

[3:51:37] information on there, resources

[3:51:39] available to folks. Also, I put out uh

[3:51:43] weekly almost social media information,

[3:51:45] not always about problem gambling, but

[3:51:48] all things prevention that goes out into

[3:51:50] the community.

[3:51:52] The funds have been used to train people

[3:51:55] um in trauma-informed coaching that

[3:51:57] includes financial responsibility and uh

[3:52:01] so that's an impact. Hopefully, the

[3:52:02] coaching impacts uh problem gambling as

[3:52:06] well. And then just a few weeks ago, we

[3:52:09] trained all middle school students a big

[3:52:11] penny and financial mismanagement. That

[3:52:14] includes uh problem gambling and we tied

[3:52:17] it into suicide prevention as well. But

[3:52:19] that's where these funds have been

[3:52:21] spent. So um just encourage you to

[3:52:24] continue to let us uh procure these

[3:52:27] funds and use them in the calendar.

[3:52:32] So when you say we talk, are you talking

[3:52:35] about yourself or?

[3:52:37] >> Yes. And I also for the middle school

[3:52:39] students, I brought in someone from the

[3:52:41] uh Prosper team we've been working with

[3:52:43] for the past two years. We have them for

[3:52:46] another year. They're through the

[3:52:47] governor's initiative. Uh this

[3:52:50] [clears throat] team is one of like a

[3:52:53] hundred in the whole world that study

[3:52:55] suicide and we've been fortunate to have

[3:52:57] them in Sublet County for the past two

[3:52:59] years. have been able to offer a lot of

[3:53:01] trainings. This is one that we work

[3:53:03] together on to tailor to our middle

[3:53:05] school students because um we think it

[3:53:08] is in our young people. That's where

[3:53:10] we're hoping to see some changes um in a lot of things problem areas we have

[3:53:17] in the county. But that's uh um yes, it

[3:53:20] was a part of that along with praying

[3:53:22] and the prosper.

[3:53:24] >> Thank you.

[3:53:25] >> You're welcome. You're welcome. And that

[3:53:27] training was well received. Those kids

[3:53:30] when these kids have been through a lot

[3:53:32] and they like to have the opportunity to

[3:53:36] share their experiences, but sixth,

[3:53:39] seventh, and eighth grade and every hand

[3:53:40] is raised that they've lost somebody to

[3:53:42] suicide in big piny schools and that's

[3:53:48] that just makes that's just shocking to

[3:53:50] me that that our what our young people

[3:53:53] are going through and we hope to bring

[3:53:55] more things into the county as we can

[3:53:57] because I can find more grant funs to

[3:53:59] bring in the health votes as well. Um,

[3:54:04] one other thing I'll mention briefly is

[3:54:06] there was a survey I think sent to you

[3:54:08] from the um the director of the Wyoming

[3:54:12] County Commissioners Association. A

[3:54:14] survey went out from Wyoming Department

[3:54:17] of Health about as long as some

[3:54:20] reporting on prevention in general at a

[3:54:22] state level. Um, I do have have it in

[3:54:26] print, but you should have gotten an

[3:54:27] email And I'd love for you to look at

[3:54:30] those reports. I do get you a county

[3:54:32] report on a yearly basis on what the

[3:54:36] work we've been doing on prevention. But

[3:54:37] if this also has a survey that you can

[3:54:40] complete to see what you would like to

[3:54:47] if you would take the time to that would

[3:54:49] help us and how to at the state level it

[3:54:52] would help them to create those uh

[3:54:54] reports you would like to see.

[3:54:57] Thank you.

[3:54:58] >> Thank you.

[3:55:02] » So, I have a letter of support. If

[3:55:04] you're willing to sign that, we would

[3:55:07] receive an additional $5,79520

[3:55:12] next year under the gambling fund.

[3:55:22] And I move to approve

[3:55:27] [clears throat] the extra money.

[3:55:30] Second motion and second release 5,000

[3:55:36] $795.20

[3:55:38] from the gambling fund.

[3:55:40] Motion second. Any discussion?

[3:55:43] All in favor?

[3:55:45] Any oppose?

[3:55:52] I have a question.

[3:55:55] >> Commissioner

[3:55:59] open it up for discussion.

[3:56:02] >> Question now that we've approved it.

[3:56:10] » It's okay. Go ahead. [laughter]

[3:56:16] No,

[3:56:18] it shows my inability I guess to pronounce a word

[3:56:26] and so what is that word just I look at

[3:56:29] it and say suicidality or something like

[3:56:32] that what does that actually mean

[3:56:34] >> higher risk of by suicide

[3:56:38] >> why is it just suicide

[3:56:43] okay That's all if you got

[3:56:47] >> the other thing

[3:56:48] >> I don't have one

[3:56:48] >> commenting

[3:56:53] the legislature

[3:56:56] which eliminates

[3:56:58] for gambling

[3:57:05] the legislature

[3:57:09] I think all of that

[3:57:11] >> well I know I

[3:57:14] bit of it like most of the bars and

[3:57:18] [clears throat] I'm speaking of suffix

[3:57:20] county have a what they call queen of

[3:57:22] hearts I think what it is or susp

[3:57:26] whatever and so you buy a chance and

[3:57:29] they got all the cards up on most folks

[3:57:31] are committing it seems you got all the

[3:57:34] cards on the floor he's not familiar

[3:57:36] with

[3:57:39] [laughter]

[3:57:41] >> so the deal is you play.

[3:57:45] So the deal is they've got this

[3:57:48] deck of cards and you buy a chance to

[3:57:51] pull one and if it's a queen of hearts

[3:57:53] and a whatever that is,

[3:57:58] turn that card over and if you happen to

[3:58:00] want it the right one, you win whatever.

[3:58:05] But some of these stations go on and go on and they determine that

[3:58:14] the gaming commission doesn't seem to be

[3:58:16] getting anything out of it because the

[3:58:19] bars are keeping the profits that are

[3:58:20] derived from it. So therefore, let's

[3:58:23] just eliminate it. And so that's what

[3:58:25] they found. And I don't part that reach.

[3:58:31] I'm sure there's other things out there.

[3:58:33] No, I think the sports betting and all

[3:58:35] the online stuff is probably exploding

[3:58:39] right now as far as

[3:58:43] >> Yeah, I'll just speak to that a minute.

[3:58:44] I'm not sure how they can enforce that

[3:58:47] change, but it is um it it is an online

[3:58:52] gambling is expand it is rapidly uh

[3:58:56] becoming addictive to many of our

[3:58:57] seniors. You know, you can do it on your

[3:59:00] phone and you see ads all the time. if

[3:59:03] you're short on money, just download

[3:59:04] this app and and you'll win all this

[3:59:07] money, which we all know it's not how it

[3:59:10] works. But it it's highly trying to they

[3:59:14] really do a lot of marketing to try to

[3:59:16] draw people in at that level. But where

[3:59:18] we've seen problems in life is people

[3:59:20] like losing their life savings. Like

[3:59:23] they just keep betting and betting and

[3:59:24] betting till everything's gone. And then

[3:59:27] that's where it becomes a community

[3:59:29] problem because you have people who who

[3:59:31] are without resources.

[3:59:34] That's that. And then as Jan mentioned,

[3:59:37] the the sports gambling that happens

[3:59:39] real time during games and things that

[3:59:42] um people can bet on and it's easy to

[3:59:45] get caught up in spend more than you had

[3:59:47] to lose.

[3:59:55] Thank you. Okay. Then I want to

[3:59:57] introduce our new public health response

[3:59:59] coordinator, Nadia Gen.

[4:00:03] Started with us full time at the end of

[4:00:06] last month and she's going to give you a

[4:00:08] little update on our AED project.

[4:00:11] >> Hello, it's nice to meet you guys. I'm

[4:00:13] Nadia Gibin. um used to work patrol for

[4:00:15] the sheriff's office. So I understand

[4:00:18] the oil change issue.

[4:00:20] Um Janet had done this great started

[4:00:23] this great project with a first aid kits

[4:00:26] that I try to help uh take over as well.

[4:00:29] um thank you for the support from the

[4:00:32] county commissioners to supply the AEDs

[4:00:34] and first aid kits and we were able to

[4:00:36] put them in 12 different county uh

[4:00:38] buildings. And then um we also partnered

[4:00:41] with emergency medical director DJ Mary

[4:00:44] um and he provided a training for 30

[4:00:47] employees on first state and life saving

[4:00:50] basics and they're the employees that

[4:00:52] are going to be uh point of contact or

[4:00:55] in their and locally located in these

[4:00:57] different buildings as well. so they'll

[4:00:58] understand how to use the equipment. And

[4:01:01] then um since they are accessible to the

[4:01:03] public, I also wrote an form of

[4:01:05] informative article for the Pineell

[4:01:08] Roundup which will be posted in there um

[4:01:10] their next article for their next

[4:01:13] edition and I also sent it to the

[4:01:15] Western Region Healthcare Coalition

[4:01:17] which encompasses Sweetwater Sublet and

[4:01:19] Teton County and just let them know the

[4:01:22] project that we have been doing here in

[4:01:24] our county. Um, and so in the

[4:01:27] informative article I wrote for the Pine

[4:01:28] Doll Roundup, I just addressed some

[4:01:30] concerns that people um may have when it

[4:01:33] comes to AEDs.

[4:01:34] Um, so BJ Mary brought up a great point

[4:01:37] like one of the biggest things is people

[4:01:38] are concerned if they use an AED it may

[4:01:40] harm somebody. So they don't even want

[4:01:41] to use it um themselves. And I wrote in

[4:01:45] the article, ADS, they are regulated by

[4:01:46] the FDA. um those few minutes before

[4:01:51] emergency help arrives, an AD can save a

[4:01:54] life during those few minutes. Um when

[4:01:56] you turn on an A, it'll clear clearly

[4:01:58] tell you what to do once it turns on.

[4:02:00] And then dispatch, they're also trained

[4:02:02] to help cover um over the phone how to

[4:02:05] do CPR, guiding the use of an AE,

[4:02:08] administering NR can for opioid use or

[4:02:11] other life- saving measures. And I did

[4:02:13] double check with dispatch too that they

[4:02:15] aren't able to do all of that over the

[4:02:17] phone as well. And then um another

[4:02:20] concern people have is if they interfere

[4:02:22] that mean there's any a potential chance

[4:02:24] for a lawsuit. So I also wrote in there

[4:02:26] that Wyoming has a good Samaritan law. I

[4:02:29] also had sent this and just made sure to

[4:02:31] clarify with Clayton as well that um the

[4:02:34] article was okay and I just quoted the

[4:02:37] um statute book directly what the goods

[4:02:39] maritime law states which is persons

[4:02:41] rendering emergency assistance exempt

[4:02:44] from civil liability any person licensed

[4:02:46] as a physician and surgeon under law

[4:02:48] with the state of Wyoming or any other

[4:02:50] person who in good faith renders

[4:02:52] emergency care or assistance without

[4:02:55] compensation at the place of an

[4:02:56] emergency or accident is not liable.

[4:02:59] for any civil damages for acts or

[4:03:02] emissions in good faith. So hopefully

[4:03:04] that will address any fears people have

[4:03:06] with potentially using the AED or

[4:03:09] equipment as well. And then um the

[4:03:12] public health department we're also

[4:03:13] maintaining the equipment by replacing

[4:03:15] expired VAS um pads and batteries. And

[4:03:18] then um there's a point of contact for

[4:03:21] each um AED and first aid cabinet. And

[4:03:24] they're supposed to do monthly checks on

[4:03:25] the AEDs as well. And then we check back

[4:03:28] to make sure that those are getting

[4:03:29] done. And then in November, a technician

[4:03:31] will come out to test the AEDs to make

[4:03:34] sure that they are working properly as

[4:03:36] well. Um, and then what is inside the

[4:03:40] AEDs and first aid kits is um Jenna was

[4:03:43] smart. She um decided to use the same

[4:03:45] AEDs as what our emergency services use.

[4:03:48] So hopefully when they come, they won't

[4:03:51] switch them out. They can still use the

[4:03:52] exact same machine. BJ let us know that

[4:03:54] they probably will just out of uh habit.

[4:03:58] They'll probably place their own ones

[4:03:59] on, but that's okay, too. Um, and then

[4:04:01] the first aid cabinets, they contain uh

[4:04:04] first aid kits, a stop with lead kit,

[4:04:06] which has like a tourniquet, wound

[4:04:08] compression, gauze, etc. a lifeback kit,

[4:04:11] which is good for um like suctioning.

[4:04:14] Like say for example, you can't do CPR

[4:04:15] because it's a very large person, you

[4:04:17] can't get your arms around them, you

[4:04:19] could use something like a life back kit

[4:04:20] to try and dislodge whatever is um

[4:04:23] obstructing their throat. Um and then

[4:04:25] also Narcan for any um opioid overdoses

[4:04:29] as well. And then I also in the news

[4:04:32] article for the roundup, I listed the

[4:04:34] next upcoming CPR trainings and the next

[4:04:36] one that's coming up is occurring at the

[4:04:38] pack. And then the locations that they

[4:04:40] are in are um circuit court, county

[4:04:43] courthouse, road bridge, fairgrounds,

[4:04:44] golf course, ice ring, both libraries,

[4:04:47] both public health offices, Ronda View

[4:04:49] Point Senior Center and the Southwest

[4:04:52] Sublet Pioneer Senior Center in

[4:04:54] Marbleton. And thanks again for um

[4:04:57] supporting the project. I think it'll be

[4:04:59] really beneficial for the county in case

[4:05:00] anybody has an emergency and it's

[4:05:02] accessible for the public to use as

[4:05:03] well. So, thank you.

[4:05:06] Do you have any questions from

[4:05:10] >> Thank you.

[4:05:14] » So, I think we're that project's pretty

[4:05:16] well out the door and we had really good

[4:05:19] turnout. So, thanks for your support on

[4:05:21] that one. Okay, other updates I wanted

[4:05:25] to let you know about. Um, the nurse I

[4:05:28] had hired full-time resigned at the

[4:05:31] beginning of this month. So, I um

[4:05:36] need to request that we can fill that

[4:05:38] full-time position. It is I'll remind

[4:05:40] you it's a full-time state nurse

[4:05:43] position. So, 65% of that position is

[4:05:46] paid for by the state and 35% from the

[4:05:49] county. So, no change really, but um but

[4:05:53] we would be opening up that job again.

[4:05:59] Um,

[4:06:01] the other thing I wanted to update you

[4:06:03] on is we have I have talked several

[4:06:07] years about trying to get a women's

[4:06:08] health project up and running. I found a

[4:06:10] nurse practitioner, Stephanie Claudio,

[4:06:14] that is um, willing to work one day a

[4:06:17] week. She's Bob Claudianos from the fire

[4:06:20] department, his wife, and she's done

[4:06:22] women's health in the past. She works in

[4:06:24] Jackson also, but we would be looking to

[4:06:26] try to start that planning one day a

[4:06:29] month doing women's health exams, apps,

[4:06:32] tests, um just wellness ex wellness

[4:06:36] exams mostly for people that are

[4:06:38] uninsured and underinsured.

[4:06:40] So, um I you guys had allowed a $12,000

[4:06:46] line that I haven't spent any money out

[4:06:47] of this year, but I just wanted to make

[4:06:50] sure that we were good to go moving

[4:06:52] forward as I work with Clayton and to

[4:06:55] try to to get a nurse practitioner under

[4:06:58] contract that we can start working

[4:07:00] through all the pieces to try to get

[4:07:02] that clinic up and running one day and

[4:07:04] Monday.

[4:07:09] and

[4:07:11] I'll bring more of that to you at at um

[4:07:13] budget time. But yeah, I really haven't

[4:07:16] been able we haven't been able to build

[4:07:17] and really prove that program yet and I

[4:07:20] appreciate your support when we're here

[4:07:22] to let us help it transit off the

[4:07:24] ground.

[4:07:26] Um

[4:07:28] our last item is back to building

[4:07:33] discussion for public

[4:07:38] in regards to building public health. Um

[4:07:41] what's your search going?

[4:07:45] You want to give me the authority? I'll

[4:07:47] do it. [laughter]

[4:07:50] >> Tell me how much money we got.

[4:07:55] look at several different options. Of

[4:07:57] course, the different payments that are

[4:07:59] available coming up uh too small,

[4:08:04] etc. Um we're not under contract with

[4:08:07] anyone at this point in time.

[4:08:12] There are a couple of abilities that

[4:08:14] have come

[4:08:16] available in the recent

[4:08:22] past couple weeks. I think

[4:08:27] And if we continue to look at the

[4:08:29] different options and when we got up

[4:08:32] last week that

[4:08:35] I think we're going a certain direction

[4:08:37] and then you throw a curve at us so we

[4:08:39] have to stop and get um I believe that

[4:08:43] you brought up

[4:08:46] half or

[4:08:48] half of the town hall.

[4:08:52] So, first I wondered if we got any

[4:08:54] resolution on proactive building that

[4:08:57] >> I'm just looking at.

[4:08:58] >> No, I know I I know we never explored. I

[4:09:01] know the hospital district threw that

[4:09:03] out there that that the town might be

[4:09:05] willing to lease half the building, but

[4:09:08] obviously if they could have a permanent

[4:09:10] location that's counting on that be

[4:09:13] preference, but that's why I threw it

[4:09:15] out there. It's just like nothing we

[4:09:17] really explored. We we have an offer on

[4:09:20] the table with you know that we'll

[4:09:23] address in the next couple of weeks

[4:09:27] to inter

[4:09:29] what is

[4:09:31] with that re Pinedale

[4:09:37] talk about longevity or tenure

[4:09:40] having the clinic there and you take a

[4:09:44] look at prices today versus these We

[4:09:48] could probably come up with something

[4:09:50] longterm lease that's put which is there

[4:09:53] 10 20 years

[4:09:56] a large cash all the way at the

[4:09:58] beginning.

[4:09:59] >> Okay. So, are you asking

[4:10:03] like myself or me and Janess to go start

[4:10:07] conversations

[4:10:09] um or ask them to come to the table?

[4:10:13] Take a look at if it um

[4:10:17] gives you the space and

[4:10:21] features that you need and the price of

[4:10:23] it.

[4:10:25] if that's something that is an option

[4:10:27] that we get involved with other

[4:10:32] properties

[4:10:35] and it may not but we don't know

[4:10:39] but I think they have that one ring over

[4:10:41] there when they had one tenant that

[4:10:49] » I know

[4:10:51] [laughter]

[4:10:54] that except

[4:10:56] We're not sure what direction we're

[4:10:58] going with

[4:11:01] existing proposal at this point.

[4:11:08] I think we're getting close to kind of

[4:11:10] the resolution that makes sense and we

[4:11:12] want to make sure that we're not keeping

[4:11:14] ourselves saying

[4:11:16] this also

[4:11:20] next meeting

[4:11:26] in

[4:11:27] Absolutely.

[4:11:38] » Yes.

[4:11:40] Proactive

[4:11:44] emails this morning. Okay. There is

[4:11:48] correspondence in that regard for

[4:11:50] proactive this morning.

[4:11:54] Not a position to discuss it today

[4:11:55] because we haven't been through

[4:11:58] identify the different uh

[4:12:01] pros and cons of that

[4:12:08] comes with some advice. Keep that set

[4:12:10] aside.

[4:12:23] » Okay.

[4:12:26] through right now. That's the question.

[4:12:29] Okay. Thank you.

[4:12:34] And anything else for you?

[4:12:45] » Um,

[4:12:47] okay. Scan

[4:12:54] the Cambridge powers.

[4:13:00] We have Christie

[4:13:03] first as well.

[4:13:04] >> Yep. Christy, I am the nut membership

[4:13:08] coordinator for South County Chamber of

[4:13:09] Commerce. Thank you guys for giving us

[4:13:12] this time. A little taller than

[4:13:16] [clears throat]

[4:13:17] um so we're here today to talk about a

[4:13:20] problem that we're seeing in our

[4:13:21] community and how we are hoping to

[4:13:23] address it. how we're hoping to get your

[4:13:25] support. Um, so keeping Wyoming talent

[4:13:29] in Wyoming, it's a strategic overload of

[4:13:32] workforce retention and economic

[4:13:34] development and what the chamber is

[4:13:36] doing about it. So the problem that we

[4:13:38] are seeing is that we are losing a lot

[4:13:40] of our own people. Wyoming has a talent

[4:13:44] retention crisis. We raise and educate

[4:13:46] our young people and watch them leave in

[4:13:50] their place. We import workers from out

[4:13:52] ofstate and fill the jobs our own

[4:13:54] residents could hold. The cycle drains

[4:13:56] local wealth, weakens community ties,

[4:13:59] and makes long-term economic growth

[4:14:01] harder to sustain. Um, and then I have

[4:14:04] some pretty like large statistics. And

[4:14:07] then your last page is where those

[4:14:08] statistics are from just because they

[4:14:11] are large. So, I just wanted to make

[4:14:12] sure you can go look for yourself if you

[4:14:15] have any questions about them. So 60% of

[4:14:19] Wyoming born residents leave before

[4:14:21] their 30s. That's the highest rate in

[4:14:23] the nation. Um two times the national

[4:14:26] average how migrate rate which is young

[4:14:30] adults leave Wyoming at twice the rate

[4:14:33] as other states

[4:14:35] and 66%

[4:14:37] of UW graduates re relocate after

[4:14:41] earning their degrees. More than

[4:14:43] twothirds of the University of Wyoming

[4:14:46] students surveyed said for their future

[4:14:48] in Wyoming was a maybe or a no. For

[4:14:51] every one new Wyoming resident gained,

[4:14:53] five people were needed to compensate

[4:14:55] for those leaving. And the majority

[4:14:58] leaving are between 25 and 34, which is,

[4:15:00] you know, your main workforce.

[4:15:03] Um, Sublet County median age is 43.5.

[4:15:07] Uh that is the highest in Wyoming and

[4:15:11] above the median average of 38.9

[4:15:15] um in the nation. The county's

[4:15:17] population has declined 13% since 2010

[4:15:20] and now sits at approximately 8,900

[4:15:23] people. And I mean I'm sure some of that

[4:15:25] is just movement with, you know, oil

[4:15:28] companies or whatever, but that is a

[4:15:30] large statistic of people who have moved

[4:15:32] out since 2010. The 25 to 34 age group,

[4:15:37] the very workers businesses need most,

[4:15:40] represent one of the smallest population

[4:15:42] segments in our county. Without

[4:15:44] intervention, this trend accelerates as

[4:15:46] older residents retire and fewer young

[4:15:49] people remain to replace them. The cycle

[4:15:52] we're stuck in. Young people living

[4:15:54] leaving, jobs go unfilled, out of state

[4:15:56] workers arrive,

[4:15:59] local economy stagnates, and it repeats.

[4:16:03] Um, and I've talked to a lot of people.

[4:16:06] I There's a thought process here of that

[4:16:09] everyone wants their kids to go. I have

[4:16:12] kids. My oldest is 19 and then I have a

[4:16:15] 17-year-old and I don't want them to go.

[4:16:18] I want them to stay. I think it's

[4:16:19] important to see what's outside of where

[4:16:23] you're from, but I think a lot of times

[4:16:24] the grass is, you know, looks a lot

[4:16:27] greener. Um, and there's a lot of

[4:16:29] opportunities right here in Wyoming. And

[4:16:31] I think that we are underelling

[4:16:34] ourselves. Wyoming is built

[4:16:37] for it's it's like it's on a growth

[4:16:40] trend. Wyoming is not a hard cell. The

[4:16:42] conditions for a strong locally rooted

[4:16:44] econ economy already exist. What's

[4:16:48] missing is the connection between our

[4:16:50] young people and the opportunities that

[4:16:52] are right here. Um in Wyoming is the

[4:16:55] number one entrepreneur state in the

[4:16:56] United States. 98.9%

[4:16:59] of Wyoming businesses are small

[4:17:01] businesses. There's 3,400ish

[4:17:04] jobs that will be opening that opened up

[4:17:07] in 20 2023 and 2024. Um, state income

[4:17:11] tax and corporate tax are zero. Wyoming

[4:17:14] is open for business. Highest

[4:17:16] entrepreneurship entrepreneurship rate

[4:17:18] in the nation. No personal or corporate

[4:17:21] income tax. 120% increase in business

[4:17:24] applications in 2019 to 2022

[4:17:28] and 65% of Wyoming workers are employed

[4:17:30] by small businesses. More than two job

[4:17:33] openings for every unemployed person in

[4:17:35] Wyoming.

[4:17:37] But survival without support is hard.

[4:17:39] 20% of small businesses fall in the

[4:17:42] first year and 50% of small businesses

[4:17:44] close by 5 years. The lack of business

[4:17:47] knowledge is a leading cause for this

[4:17:49] failure. Rural communities face added

[4:17:51] challenges. Fewer mentors and less

[4:17:53] access to capital. Without a local

[4:17:56] workforce pipeline, growth starts to

[4:17:59] stall.

[4:18:01] The chamber's role in breaking the

[4:18:02] cycle. Sublet County Chamber of Commerce

[4:18:05] is taking direct action on both ends of

[4:18:07] this challenge. By connecting high

[4:18:09] school students to local careers before

[4:18:11] they leave and equipping adults with the

[4:18:14] skills to build and sustain local

[4:18:16] businesses, we are investing in

[4:18:18] Wyoming's growing economy. One that

[4:18:21] creates real reasons for our people to

[4:18:23] stay, build careers, and raise their

[4:18:25] families here. We have a jumpart program

[4:18:29] um and that is actually starting

[4:18:30] tomorrow. Uh it's for adult

[4:18:33] entrepreneurship program. It's a free

[4:18:35] 8-week course held at Subletis covering

[4:18:38] the essentials of starting and running a

[4:18:40] small business. It's designed for adults

[4:18:43] at any stage, whether they have a new

[4:18:45] idea or an existing business that they

[4:18:47] want to strengthen. It's a six-part

[4:18:49] class series covering key small business

[4:18:52] topics. Um, graduates compete for seed

[4:18:55] funding. So, if you attend all of the

[4:18:57] classes, uh, there is a competition at

[4:19:00] the end. you get to present your idea

[4:19:04] and your business um plan and the winner

[4:19:07] receives $5,000 and second place is 2500

[4:19:11] and there's several businesses around

[4:19:12] town that have competed in this program

[4:19:15] in the past and are still here um Cathy

[4:19:18] on board um Faser

[4:19:21] and who's the other one that me oh um

[4:19:24] local books she does our shows does our

[4:19:27] books but um and then we have a quote

[4:19:30] here from Aaron and he completed the

[4:19:33] jump start class. The jump start class

[4:19:35] was the best thing my partner and I did

[4:19:37] when starting our company. It helped us

[4:19:40] build our business plan, get organized,

[4:19:42] secure funding, and establish our LLC. I

[4:19:45] would recommend it to anyone thinking of

[4:19:46] starting a business and I would love to

[4:19:48] see it continue so others are afforded

[4:19:51] the same opportunity. Um, and the other

[4:19:54] program we're running is called

[4:19:55] Pathways. It's a youth workforce and

[4:19:58] career exploration program and it's for

[4:20:00] high school students in Sublet County.

[4:20:02] Students complete a work preparedness

[4:20:04] class at Sublet Boseis. Um and this just

[4:20:07] teach them how to write a resume, how to

[4:20:09] answer a phone, like etiquette, um

[4:20:12] business etiquette, how to dress

[4:20:14] professionally. Um and then they are

[4:20:16] paired with a paid summer internship in

[4:20:18] a field they are most interested in. The

[4:20:20] goal is to show Sublet County students

[4:20:23] that there are careers they want that

[4:20:25] exist right here at home. Internship

[4:20:28] opportunities across local trades and

[4:20:31] industries, healthc care, energy,

[4:20:33] welding, mechanics, and more. Um, we

[4:20:36] have two that we've worked with the

[4:20:39] hospital. So there will be one

[4:20:40] internship in radiology and one in

[4:20:43] nursing, which I mean that's great

[4:20:45] opportunities for kids that are going to

[4:20:47] stay, but possibly just to have that

[4:20:50] opportunity to see if that's really

[4:20:52] something they want to invest in before

[4:20:53] they start college. Um the blue spruce

[4:20:57] dry pine helium plant, we're we are in

[4:21:00] the process of talking to them, seeing

[4:21:02] if we can get some kids out there. Uh

[4:21:04] the chamber covers 40% of the internship

[4:21:07] wages so that businesses of any size can

[4:21:09] participate. Employers provide a job

[4:21:12] description and set a clear expectation

[4:21:14] for students. And it's a 60-hour paid

[4:21:16] summer internship. Um and so it's $600

[4:21:20] and we pay 40 of that.

[4:21:24] An invitation to invest in something

[4:21:26] bigger. The Subwlet County Chamber of

[4:21:28] Commerce is not just running programs.

[4:21:30] We are building a vision. a a subwo

[4:21:33] county where our young people see a

[4:21:35] future here. Where locals start

[4:21:36] businesses, fill jobs, and raise their

[4:21:38] families in a community they grew up in.

[4:21:41] Where economic growth is driven by the

[4:21:43] people who belong here, not by an

[4:21:45] endless cycle of importing

[4:21:48] talent from somewhere else. This vision

[4:21:51] is being driven by a volunteer board

[4:21:53] that gives thousands of hours, not

[4:21:55] because they have to, but because they

[4:21:57] believe in Sublet County. We are asking

[4:22:00] the board of county commissioners to

[4:22:02] share in that belief and become a

[4:22:04] partner in building it. We currently

[4:22:07] offer all chamber programs free so they

[4:22:09] are accessible to everyone in our

[4:22:11] community and that means these programs

[4:22:13] depend entirely on sponsorships to

[4:22:15] exist. Without continued support, we

[4:22:18] will not be able to keep them free

[4:22:19] forever. County investment directly

[4:22:22] funds this work on behalf of our

[4:22:24] constituents and helps us keep this

[4:22:26] promise. So to run pathways um would be

[4:22:30] for 20 internships

[4:22:33] that would be $5,000 and that would be

[4:22:36] us paying the 40% of the 600.

[4:22:41] And um and none of the money that we get

[4:22:44] for these sponsorship goes to

[4:22:46] administration. Um I mean I'm the only

[4:22:49] employee but it my wages are paid

[4:22:53] through membership. So this all just

[4:22:55] stays within the program. it's not

[4:22:56] being, you know, partially branched out

[4:22:59] to pay administration's fee. And then we

[4:23:02] actually do have um funding for

[4:23:05] Jumpstart this year through BOSEIS. Um

[4:23:09] but we still need $2,000 for that

[4:23:13] program. And that is to cover because

[4:23:17] next year we've applied for the grant

[4:23:19] again through Boseies and we had to drop

[4:23:21] it by 20%. That was just the ask of

[4:23:24] going back into that grant. So we will

[4:23:26] be losing money next year for that

[4:23:28] program. Um the chamber does one thing

[4:23:32] exceptionally well and that's promotion.

[4:23:34] So if you decide to be a part of this

[4:23:38] program, we will make sure and

[4:23:42] let everyone know in every forum that we

[4:23:44] have whether it's a flyer social media

[4:23:47] post um having you I am on one of the

[4:23:51] midday shows on the radio station having

[4:23:53] you guys on the midday show to talk

[4:23:55] about your contribution.

[4:23:57] um we would make sure that everyone knew

[4:24:00] that the commissioners supported and

[4:24:03] funded this program because it's not

[4:24:06] really a it's not really a donation.

[4:24:08] It's a demonstration of leadership. So

[4:24:11] the public county chamber of commerce

[4:24:13] believes the strongest Wyoming economy

[4:24:15] is one built by Wyoming people.

[4:24:17] Jumpstart and pathways are our

[4:24:19] commitment to this vision, creating the

[4:24:21] conditions for our residents to build

[4:24:23] careers, open businesses, and invest

[4:24:25] their future right here at home.

[4:24:29] Do you have any questions?

[4:24:35] » I'd like I'd like to make comment.

[4:24:38] >> Okay.

[4:24:41] >> So,

[4:24:44] we're here survival without supporting

[4:24:48] about 20% fail in first year, 50%.

[4:24:55] So, I've been around here quite a while.

[4:24:58] Sometimes I take too long,

[4:25:00] but I've watched

[4:25:03] a lot of small businesses start up.

[4:25:07] And usually the ones that make it

[4:25:12] are the ones who know they have to do

[4:25:14] the work, not hire somebody to go do it

[4:25:17] for them. And and I think that's true in

[4:25:21] any small business because if you're the

[4:25:25] only one that's invested in them, you're

[4:25:27] going to work harder to cut costs

[4:25:29] wherever you can. The skills perform so

[4:25:33] to speak. And so

[4:25:36] I I think that needs to be where you're

[4:25:40] putting on these

[4:25:42] classes.

[4:25:44] That needs in my mind that's number one

[4:25:46] problem because if you're out there and

[4:25:48] you say, "Well, we're gonna we're gonna

[4:25:50] start up this business, but we got to

[4:25:52] have two or three people to help us."

[4:25:54] That's the first big drag on what you're

[4:25:56] trying to do. In my opinion, I agree

[4:25:58] with you.

[4:25:58] >> I've watched it happen in some of the

[4:26:00] counties on both ends of the county,

[4:26:02] time after time.

[4:26:05] Mom and pop will get together say,

[4:26:06] "Yeah, we've been doing this and all of

[4:26:08] a sudden, well, we got to have the kids.

[4:26:10] We got out of this and that." very soon

[4:26:12] the two men or two person operation

[4:26:15] is five or six and it just can't sustain

[4:26:17] it. So it takes a while to generate what

[4:26:22] you've got to do to make it viable. But

[4:26:25] that to me that's very important to be

[4:26:27] able to start and go

[4:26:37] and today

[4:26:42] it's just worse than it would have been.

[4:26:48] I had said that [laughter]

[4:26:52] but but in reality

[4:26:54] that's the thing I've seen.

[4:26:58] >> I agree with you and I think no one's

[4:26:59] ever going to care about your business

[4:27:00] the way that you do. So, you know, if

[4:27:03] you're not going to invest in it, nobody

[4:27:04] else is going to either.

[4:27:14] » Fantastic.

[4:27:17] You were you and me or me?

[4:27:24] » Absolutely. Especially drafted by you.

[4:27:26] >> Yeah. So, you know, I don't the end of

[4:27:29] the day for them, but I tell you what

[4:27:34] to come in.

[4:27:40] They're not suspect.

[4:27:46] my way.

[4:27:49] >> I appreciate that. Thank you.

[4:27:55] » Anyone else?

[4:27:57] >> Questions, comments?

[4:27:59] >> Well, I really appreciate you giving us

[4:28:01] this time and you know, I hope that you

[4:28:03] decide to invest in us because we are

[4:28:05] definitely here to invest in our

[4:28:07] community. Thank you.

[4:28:18] Is that page?

[4:28:26] » I forgot in case public showed up and

[4:28:29] needed handouts as well from the ones

[4:28:32] that are attached. Um, good afternoon,

[4:28:35] Chairman Bernard and commissioners.

[4:28:37] Thank you for the time and opportunity

[4:28:38] to speak. I'm Sage Price. I um I serve

[4:28:42] as the Salt Lake County Chamber of

[4:28:43] Commerce President. Um

[4:28:46] I

[4:28:48] thank you for putting us on the agenda

[4:28:50] today. Um I just wanted to as the

[4:28:54] petition for the um proposed 1%

[4:28:59] um tax sales tax increase. Um I wanted

[4:29:02] to give the public the opportunity to

[4:29:04] speak with the officials. We've had town

[4:29:07] council meetings both in Pinedell and

[4:29:09] over here in um in Marvelton. And so I

[4:29:14] just wanted to give if any of the public

[4:29:16] wanted to speak or anyone had concerns

[4:29:20] um that they would be able to bring them

[4:29:22] to those who are going to be making the

[4:29:24] decisions and spending the money if um

[4:29:27] if it comes gets onto the petition or

[4:29:31] onto the ballot and then voted in. So,

[4:29:34] um I've attached some handouts that just

[4:29:37] kind of overview of it. Again, a sales

[4:29:41] um tax chart that shows what other

[4:29:44] counties in the state are paying. Um so,

[4:29:48] I don't know if we want to kind of do a

[4:29:50] quick overview or if we just want to

[4:29:53] jump into questions

[4:29:55] if there are any.

[4:30:03] ask questions or are we asking

[4:30:06] >> both if you if you have questions again

[4:30:09] a lot of it um but the attachments one

[4:30:12] attachment was the um handout that you

[4:30:15] all provided at the meeting um when it

[4:30:19] was sent to a petition and then um an

[4:30:23] overview just kind of that has been put

[4:30:26] together of what the fifth penny is and

[4:30:29] then the sales tax chart for the state

[4:30:32] as well as um the town of Pindel

[4:30:35] provided kind of where the spending

[4:30:37] power is where from 2016 until 2026 and

[4:30:42] showing that the the town of Pineell's

[4:30:46] spending power has decreased. So

[4:30:51] » Commissioner Brad question for you

[4:30:53] please fishing that was going around

[4:30:55] were you guys the sponsor of that or

[4:30:57] what's the story about fishing? I

[4:30:59] haven't seen or heard anything on a

[4:31:00] thing.

[4:31:01] >> So, we we do because the chamber is a

[4:31:04] 501c6,

[4:31:07] we have instead of a lot of um

[4:31:09] nonprofits or 501c3s

[4:31:12] and because of our 501c6

[4:31:14] business designation, we have a

[4:31:17] representing interest of the local

[4:31:19] businesses and community that affect the

[4:31:22] broader economic um impact. So the

[4:31:25] chamber is one of the only organizations

[4:31:28] that can um put out the petition and um

[4:31:34] hold meetings about it. So

[4:31:36] >> So to begin with, I saw around a few

[4:31:38] places.

[4:31:40] >> Yep. It's still it's still in the same

[4:31:41] Yep. It's they're still in the same

[4:31:44] places. So there's one at um Kindle Town

[4:31:46] Hall. I personally have one on me at all

[4:31:48] times. There's one over at the rec

[4:31:50] center in um over here in Big Piney.

[4:31:53] There's one at Big [clears throat] Penny

[4:31:54] Town Hall as well.

[4:31:58] >> We're over we're over half.

[4:32:02] It has to be done by the end of April to

[4:32:05] get onto the ballot for August 19th. And

[4:32:07] so just and we have not set up like a

[4:32:10] Ridleys or anything like that. We've

[4:32:12] kind of tried to not be super invasive

[4:32:14] with it, but we do have over half the

[4:32:16] signatures.

[4:32:23] » What's the feedback that you're

[4:32:24] typically receiving in regards to

[4:32:28] >> um a lot of the questions are

[4:32:32] with the industrial impact funding

[4:32:35] coming in, why the residents should bear

[4:32:38] the cost of it um with the increased

[4:32:40] funding. And so explaining that that is

[4:32:43] from Cheyenne that if we are to receive

[4:32:45] the impact funding from the Blue Spruce

[4:32:47] project that there has to be the fifth

[4:32:50] penny enacted that that's not something

[4:32:52] that the commissioners came up with.

[4:32:53] That's not something that the town

[4:32:55] councils came up with. It's not

[4:32:56] something that the public came up with.

[4:32:58] That is the the

[4:33:01] stipulation to receive the funding out

[4:33:04] of Cheyenne. And so we're just letting

[4:33:07] the public know that if we want to

[4:33:09] receive this impact funding that it has

[4:33:11] to be the fifth penny has to be enacted.

[4:33:15] Um, one of the big questions is what

[4:33:18] happens if the large project changes or

[4:33:21] does not fully materialize. And so I

[4:33:24] guess that's one question from you all

[4:33:25] is what if the impact funding if the

[4:33:29] fifth penny is passed and for some

[4:33:33] reason the blue spruce project does not

[4:33:35] go through what happens with that impact

[4:33:38] funding awarded from the state.

[4:33:42] I don't believe there's any correlation

[4:33:44] the 1% tax

[4:33:47] fighting portion and the additional

[4:33:50] pending tax independent of each other

[4:33:53] the project fails 1% continues until the

[4:33:57] next until the four years of being

[4:34:01] >> so what happens if the um the impact

[4:34:04] funding is awarded over 20 payments over

[4:34:07] three years is that correct

[4:34:09] >> right

[4:34:10] >> so what happens if halfway through

[4:34:12] something happens with the project. What

[4:34:15] happens to the impact funds?

[4:34:18] >> I would presume that there's a

[4:34:24] project funding money

[4:34:27] that um

[4:34:30] with what you find CL

[4:34:33] Mr. Chairman. Yes. So that is my

[4:34:36] understanding is that if the project if

[4:34:39] construction on the project were to

[4:34:40] cease then the funding would also cease

[4:34:45] in that circumstance. Correct. However,

[4:34:48] it is DQ's uh uh position or

[4:34:56] yeah position that that is a very low

[4:34:58] risk that projects of this scale

[4:35:01] generally do not stop

[4:35:04] and the addition of one%

[4:35:07] >> would continue for the four years. So,

[4:35:10] um, that's another

[4:35:13] >> question is the or another statement

[4:35:16] that we've been hearing a lot is it

[4:35:18] starts with 5% and then pretty soon it's

[4:35:21] six or 7%. And um really the

[4:35:25] understanding that it there is a sunset

[4:35:27] clause in

[4:35:30] the initiative or with the fifth penny

[4:35:33] that it does it lasts for four years and

[4:35:35] after that it has to go back on and be

[4:35:38] voted by the citizens again. It doesn't roll over. So

[4:35:46] >> renewal had nothing to do with any

[4:35:48] additional percentage of taxes. Those

[4:35:51] would individual

[4:35:53] valid initially.

[4:35:55] >> And then the last one is um how do the

[4:35:58] communities so big Piny um Marvelton the

[4:36:04] county um Pinedell the town. How do you

[4:36:08] if it's passed and there's an increase

[4:36:10] of the sales tax,

[4:36:14] if it does not pass again in four years,

[4:36:16] how do you balance your budgets again

[4:36:18] once you've had the money and then it

[4:36:22] potentially goes away? How are you going

[4:36:24] to balance your budgets and when?

[4:36:26] >> Just your budget cutbacks

[4:36:29] and take a look at the budget process

[4:36:32] that I will be going through in the next

[4:36:34] couple of months. that's in the money

[4:36:38] decreases you go through and make sure

[4:36:40] that

[4:36:42] expenditures don't exceed your income

[4:36:44] and if the income's greater than

[4:36:47] expenditures if that makes sense

[4:36:50] >> and then also the understanding that it

[4:36:51] goes into the general fund and it cannot

[4:36:54] be earmarked or anything like that. I

[4:36:57] think that's been a big misconception.

[4:37:00] Um, and so the funds do have to go into

[4:37:04] a general fund. And from there, and

[4:37:06] again, in the commissioner's handout

[4:37:08] from the the meeting where it was sent

[4:37:11] to the petition, it outlines what the

[4:37:13] counties are looking at and what the

[4:37:15] municipalities are looking at using it

[4:37:17] for.

[4:37:19] >> And you're talking about sighting money

[4:37:21] or the what?

[4:37:23] >> The sighting money.

[4:37:24] >> Sure.

[4:37:24] money was determined by individual

[4:37:27] entities within the county establishing

[4:37:31] overall

[4:37:35] attributed to the different departments

[4:37:38] and from with that they created their

[4:37:40] own budget as far as what they were

[4:37:43] that's coming.

[4:37:47] » Does that answer your question?

[4:37:49] >> It does. Yep. And that's and again this

[4:37:50] is for kind of the public to be able to

[4:37:53] ask questions as well and if if anyone

[4:37:55] has and just to get the answers the

[4:37:58] chamber of commerce is putting the

[4:37:59] information out there but we're not

[4:38:01] making the decisions where it's funding.

[4:38:03] So we want to make sure that we're

[4:38:04] giving those elected officials that are

[4:38:07] making the decisions regarding the funds

[4:38:10] um the chance to answer the questions

[4:38:13] and have the discussions.

[4:38:14] >> Are there any line online questions?

[4:38:17] >> I don't see any hints.

[4:38:18] >> Pardon me. I don't see any hands.

[4:38:22] >> Thank you.

[4:38:23] >> You're welcome.

[4:38:25] >> Do any of you have any questions or

[4:38:26] anything that I can answer?

[4:38:28] >> Well, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to just

[4:38:30] make a little comment.

[4:38:34] So, here on the first presentation says

[4:38:37] the opportunity is built for this

[4:38:43] income tax or corporate tax.

[4:38:46] Zero.

[4:38:49] So, so that in itself

[4:38:53] brings

[4:38:55] companies into the state

[4:38:58] and we're going to bump up

[4:39:01] another py tax

[4:39:09] with our significant contributors

[4:39:14] our economy. We see it

[4:39:19] the additional 1 cent may then step back

[4:39:22] and say then maybe we need to address

[4:39:26] something different so that when

[4:39:29] so that the county passes this 20 cent

[4:39:32] rather than us having five cents in the

[4:39:35] county we may go someplace else.

[4:39:41] So that's part of the way in my opinion.

[4:39:45] The second thing is I talked around I've

[4:39:48] known a lot of people time

[4:39:54] invar

[4:39:56] you put up penny tax

[4:40:00] next thing you got to do on pennies

[4:40:04] night. They don't believe it. They

[4:40:06] involve projects

[4:40:09] that unless this extra tax is on,

[4:40:13] they don't get completed. And so you get

[4:40:17] something started, you got to complete

[4:40:19] it.

[4:40:21] Good, bad, and different. Then fear

[4:40:23] factors out there. Well, we've already

[4:40:25] invested all this. We may as well do it

[4:40:27] again. And so instead of in my opinion

[4:40:32] in a year or two or in four years

[4:40:36] for sense here we could conceivably we

[4:40:40] look at six or maybe more

[4:40:48] has a tendency

[4:40:51] put me in a little about

[4:40:54] a little bit.

[4:40:57] It's it's

[4:41:01] what they're what they're doing here. I

[4:41:04] think what they and I'm not certain they

[4:41:07] is okay. I think I I think and and quite

[4:41:10] honestly as an individual I don't like

[4:41:12] the idea of another sick here. Just so

[4:41:16] you know that as a commissioner I can't

[4:41:18] make a statement. So what it looks to me

[4:41:21] like is we're doing the old maiden track

[4:41:25] system here. You guys go ahead and

[4:41:30] give us a scent the penny we get all

[4:41:32] this money. Well, it's not always it's a

[4:41:35] significant amount for here, here, here,

[4:41:38] and here. But unless it's been changed

[4:41:41] and here's the thing that really bothers

[4:41:44] me

[4:41:46] when we get so much money but we don't

[4:41:49] get that so much money in one pot it's

[4:41:52] over 20 months unless they change that

[4:41:54] and I don't think that's

[4:41:57] so you take an entity that says yeah

[4:42:00] we're going to get a million dollars and

[4:42:02] let's divide that by 20 how much There's

[4:42:04] no stud,000

[4:42:08] got a project put a million dollars

[4:42:11] towards it, but now we can't because we

[4:42:13] don't have that. So what do we do? Go to

[4:42:15] the town

[4:42:19] say, "Hey guys, we know we're going to

[4:42:21] get it. Do you mind back?" So we get a

[4:42:24] project going. Those are the kind of

[4:42:27] things that made me a little bit

[4:42:30] about something like this. I'd feel a

[4:42:33] whole lot better if all that money

[4:42:35] coming from the box and the entities

[4:42:38] could say, "Oh yeah, we've got a town.

[4:42:39] Let's use it where we want it to go."

[4:42:43] But over time, unless you put it in a

[4:42:48] specific account,

[4:42:50] let it go that it's going to be used and

[4:42:55] all of a sudden you say, "What help?"

[4:42:58] Well, we did, but you know what? we had

[4:42:59] to spend some years because that one

[4:43:02] sent and less time

[4:43:05] the information I don't think I have it

[4:43:08] that's not tied into a specific writer

[4:43:11] you can use it wherever you want and so

[4:43:14] therein lies an issue

[4:43:17] over 20 months a project that looks good

[4:43:20] today may not look that good so why

[4:43:23] don't we take that money that we've got

[4:43:25] in six months still and move it over

[4:43:29] Here's we complete a little story. We

[4:43:32] didn't war. So the caveats to me

[4:43:37] are buyer beware of that.

[4:43:41] That's that's what I think we're getting

[4:43:43] ourselves set up for. And

[4:43:47] there's a lot of ways to make it look

[4:43:49] good, but there's just as many not good.

[4:43:53] And you take folks on fixed income.

[4:43:56] That's not much. Well, if you've got a

[4:43:58] $900 a month income, that penny over

[4:44:02] time is a big decent.

[4:44:04] >> It can be. Yes. And there's um there's

[4:44:06] over 50 exemptions for it. Um it doesn't

[4:44:10] it the it doesn't apply to

[4:44:14] prescriptions, groceries, fuel, and

[4:44:18] diesel or um fuel and gasoline. Um

[4:44:21] there's over 50 exemptions that it

[4:44:23] doesn't apply to for the taxpayers. So um and yes I I agree

[4:44:34] that the the 20 payments over the three

[4:44:37] years is it's the impact fund you you do

[4:44:41] receive it but that is a risk that is out there

[4:44:47] >> and

[4:44:49] so I think correct me if I'm wrong

[4:44:51] because I certainly could be but my

[4:44:54] understanding what the project now has

[4:44:55] not been started

[4:44:58] >> I don't know about

[4:45:04] I talked to him and they said it was

[4:45:07] still on plan for me.

[4:45:09] >> Yeah, but there was also a company that

[4:45:12] called some quotes that said they they

[4:45:15] don't have to do anything until 27. So

[4:45:18] that said we do a year.

[4:45:27] It's one of those things that could

[4:45:28] become a show. Now you see it, now you

[4:45:30] don't.

[4:45:32] >> And so that's that's the scary part is

[4:45:35] if you get a community into these things

[4:45:38] and look around the state and see what

[4:45:39] they're going to tell you. Yeah, we got

[4:45:41] this. We thought it was okay. Now Park

[4:45:43] County, put it out there and then they

[4:45:46] took it back off and they'll put it

[4:45:47] back. So there's reasons for that.

[4:45:50] >> So it does happen and there's only two

[4:45:52] counties in Wyoming that don't have it.

[4:45:55] County and Park County. Um

[4:45:58] >> I don't mind being on the table.

[4:46:00] >> Yeah.

[4:46:02] If that's what the voters want. Yeah.

[4:46:03] >> Well, there will be those

[4:46:06] going to get all people travel through

[4:46:07] the community. All the the

[4:46:12] folks who are going to stay there

[4:46:13] overnight. They're going to spend spend. Well, they might for two or three

[4:46:16] months,

[4:46:18] but the other nine months been paid out

[4:46:20] the bill.

[4:46:22] We are all of us not not just us but

[4:46:26] each individual and so

[4:46:29] on

[4:46:33] I don't think

[4:46:35] personally making

[4:46:41] [snorts]

[4:46:42] >> so one thing that I've learned um in

[4:46:44] doing the research and having the

[4:46:46] meetings um is that of the 4% sales tax

[4:46:51] right Now 69% of it goes back to the

[4:46:54] state and with the with the additional

[4:46:58] 1% so the fifth penny 99% of it stays

[4:47:01] within the county. So

[4:47:07] takes a long time

[4:47:10] to build up much over

[4:47:13] 20 months

[4:47:15] for me as an individual and say that's a

[4:47:19] great income. But when you're talking

[4:47:21] about municipalities in the county,

[4:47:26] you know,

[4:47:28] you say, "Okay, we're going to start

[4:47:29] this project, we know the money's

[4:47:31] coming."

[4:47:33] Then by the time you get up there, the

[4:47:36] cost of living and everything else is

[4:47:38] increased to the point where what you

[4:47:40] thought.

[4:47:45] So there we are.

[4:47:48] There's a lot of pitfalls that even

[4:47:51] we've got we've got company individuals

[4:47:54] coming into this company because we

[4:47:57] don't have that extra penny. And so in

[4:48:00] my mind we pass this many people

[4:48:04] argue.

[4:48:06] Why are we slapping those folks in the

[4:48:08] face that have supported us for years

[4:48:10] and years under for now?

[4:48:22] I know every every time you add

[4:48:24] something something

[4:48:26] has to go away. something has to decide

[4:48:29] >> and and so I [clears throat] see this

[4:48:32] you know some companies going to say

[4:48:34] this is going to cost us another like 50

[4:48:37] 60,000 if it would be expanded and now

[4:48:40] we're going to offset that well we're

[4:48:43] going to take part of expression we're

[4:48:45] going to take old Sam and his crew and

[4:48:48] we're going to let them go because

[4:48:50] that's about what it's costing us

[4:48:52] letting them go so that's I didn't mean

[4:48:55] you personally I just

[4:48:59] But there's some there's also pitfalls

[4:49:02] that look good.

[4:49:05] >> Well, and that's why I think these

[4:49:07] discussions are so important, being able

[4:49:09] to ask those making the decisions on how

[4:49:12] to spend the money and what what our

[4:49:15] budgets really are. having those

[4:49:17] discussions and being able to answer the

[4:49:19] questions that the voters have

[4:49:23] and have have the hard discussions about the money.

[4:49:28] >> Yeah. Well, it is, you know,

[4:49:30] governments, including this county

[4:49:32] commission.

[4:49:35] Always look at it as, well, if we get

[4:49:37] this, we should be able to spend more. I

[4:49:38] mean, that's what government does. They

[4:49:41] take in money and they spend more than

[4:49:42] what they can against people from the

[4:49:45] government.

[4:49:48] They're not designed to make a profit.

[4:49:51] They're designed to help the citizenry.

[4:49:54] make that happen by taxation.

[4:49:59] You get too much of a tax base in the

[4:50:01] city. Say, well, wait a minute.

[4:50:04] That's all I'm seeing it happen.

[4:50:10] I'm I'm through Mr. Chairman. Thank you

[4:50:13] for patience. Good morning.

[4:50:18] Uh is there anything else that um

[4:50:25] » are there any other online

[4:50:26] >> any online?

[4:50:36] » No.

[4:50:38] Thank you.

[4:50:46] » Up next, we have

[4:50:49] monthly reports.

[4:51:03] Yeah, I got a motion to approve bond

[4:51:07] genie for recreation. So directly

[4:51:22] motion pass

[4:51:30] comment

[4:51:32] anyone

[4:51:35] online any comments or questions

[4:51:44] we sign or

[4:51:52] » um I'm not sure probably.

[4:51:59] Um you can go ahead and I don't know the

[4:52:01] answer to that question.

[4:52:05] I don't have another copy here.

[4:52:08] >> [laughter]

[4:52:11] [snorts]

[4:52:16] » I presume that these are copies because

[4:52:26] [laughter]

[4:52:33] anything from Leila

[4:52:36] online. Emily online.

[4:52:40] Haley

[4:52:43] online.

[4:53:04] Okay. Got motility to approve three

[4:53:07] alcoholic beverage sales committee. One

[4:53:09] for the Eagle bar for

[4:53:12] one for Boulder store,

[4:53:16] one for the B store for skiing.

[4:53:19] Okay, we have a motion on three. Sorry.

[4:53:24] Discussion

[4:53:44] bring up

[4:53:49] Right,

[4:53:53] Mr. Chairman. Uh, Clayton has an

[4:53:56] agreement that I printed and handed him

[4:53:58] to him this morning for the WW

[4:54:00] scholarship agreement.

[4:54:03] >> You didn't.

[4:54:06] >> Thank you.

[4:54:07] >> This is the agreement that we've been

[4:54:09] talking about

[4:54:13] since she was a child.

[4:54:19] Anyway, this is the agreement that we've

[4:54:20] been talking about for quite some time.

[4:54:23] Um, we had sent a version of this to the

[4:54:28] University of Wyoming and we never got

[4:54:30] it back signed and then they talked

[4:54:34] about some issues they had with the

[4:54:36] language that we had in it. So, we've

[4:54:38] been trying to amend this for a very

[4:54:40] long time, but essentially this is the

[4:54:42] one where we lowered the GPA to get that

[4:54:44] funding that we had already sent to the

[4:54:46] University of Wyoming to be able to be

[4:54:47] used by more students.

[4:54:50] So, Clayton has reviewed it and if you

[4:54:53] guys are willing to sign that, we will

[4:54:56] get that one under our belt.

[4:55:01] what Sam's looking at.

[4:55:02] >> That's what Sam's looking

[4:55:05] qualifications.

[4:55:06] >> It was to re reduce them to get that. We

[4:55:09] had sent $25,000

[4:55:11] a number of years ago and I can't tell

[4:55:13] you now that we're this far into the

[4:55:15] game how much it's left, but they were

[4:55:17] not getting that distributed as quickly

[4:55:19] as you had hoped. And so we decided to

[4:55:22] lower that to the same agreement that we

[4:55:24] had with the other schools that you're

[4:55:27] funding on an invoicing basis.

[4:55:31] And while you guys review that, I got

[4:55:33] you your your this year's Sublet County

[4:55:37] School District number one and nine

[4:55:39] applicants for the UWS scholarship.

[4:55:42] That's the one that you can award three

[4:55:43] scholarships

[4:55:45] and across the entire county and we will

[4:55:50] have that on the agenda for the April

[4:55:52] 7th meeting. So, you've got some time to

[4:55:54] look at that. There was an additional

[4:55:56] one that came and I'll use air quotes

[4:55:59] for those who can't see came late. It

[4:56:01] was postmarked timely, but it was after

[4:56:03] I had prepared your packets. So there was one more from SL County School

[4:56:07] District number one that we received

[4:56:09] that was added later. So be sure to

[4:56:11] include that. It was in a separate

[4:56:12] envelope. You have any questions about

[4:56:15] that, let me know.

[4:56:18] >> Vaness on that.

[4:56:21] Is that three new one renewal? one

[4:56:24] renewal and I have the renewals the

[4:56:26] applications the renewal applications

[4:56:28] are due to me on March 30th. So you'll

[4:56:31] select that renewal at a later date and

[4:56:33] those students who received it last year

[4:56:35] have all been notified that they are

[4:56:37] eligible to apply again. But only one of

[4:56:40] those three that you awarded last year

[4:56:42] is eligible for gruel.

[4:56:43] >> And do we pick three and one alternate?

[4:56:46] >> You do pick three and one alternate on

[4:56:48] April 7th.

[4:56:52] And if they don't qualify or have it

[4:56:54] selected

[4:56:57] university,

[4:57:00] » you could

[4:57:03] offer it to a student and then if they

[4:57:06] don't qualify the alternate could come

[4:57:07] in. We won't notify the alternate in

[4:57:10] advance that they've been selected as an

[4:57:11] alternate. We'll only notify if they

[4:57:14] become and you could select more than

[4:57:16] one alternate. For instance, if you

[4:57:18] chose two out of three students who

[4:57:20] hadn't selected their school or hadn't

[4:57:23] um notified you in their letters at

[4:57:25] least that they had selected a Wyoming

[4:57:26] school and then they you later found out

[4:57:28] that they didn't select a Wyoming

[4:57:30] school, you could have a couple of

[4:57:31] alternates that you then fall back on.

[4:57:35] >> Is this funding state? Sorry. It is it

[4:57:39] is managed by the University of Wyoming

[4:57:41] or any um

[4:57:46] community college or university. And I

[4:57:48] specifically asked cuz one of the

[4:57:51] questions that you'll see in your packet

[4:57:52] was about someone who was going for a a

[4:57:56] specific course word to one of the

[4:57:58] colleges. And I asked if that was

[4:58:00] acceptable and they said as long as

[4:58:01] they're a full-time student at at one of

[4:58:04] those colleges. So you have that listed.

[4:58:06] You have that email in your pocket that

[4:58:07] shows which schools are eligible.

[4:58:12] » Motion to approve this.

[4:58:15] >> I make a motion to approve the

[4:58:17] University of Wyoming Foundation

[4:58:18] scholarship agreement selection

[4:58:29] questions in this regard.

[4:58:32] Um all in favor

[4:58:37] motion pass. Thank you. Could I ask

[4:58:39] question?

[4:58:42] » Yeah. What scholarship question

[4:58:47] would have anything to do? Are we having

[4:58:50] a vote on this? Is no. Okay. Great.

[4:58:52] Thank you.

[4:59:05] Is there a reason

[4:59:09] that this commission cannot decide their

[4:59:12] own scholarship funding? Is there a law

[4:59:15] against that?

[4:59:17] >> Mr. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky,

[4:59:19] the issue in the past when we did have

[4:59:22] our own design was that the board was

[4:59:25] not basing it on financial need.

[4:59:28] In the last body of the board, it was

[4:59:31] decided that you guys didn't want to be

[4:59:33] looking at financial information.

[4:59:34] Perhaps that's changed now and that

[4:59:36] could be a topic of discussion.

[4:59:39] But the only way you can award county

[4:59:42] tax dollars is for financial need.

[4:59:44] Therefore, you would need to be

[4:59:46] reviewing people's financial

[4:59:48] information. And that's the reason that

[4:59:50] the prior board of county commissioners

[4:59:52] decided we would rather the institutions

[4:59:55] themselves review that through the FAFSA

[4:59:59] and then notify us of qualifying

[5:00:01] students. That way, you're not looking

[5:00:03] at your neighbors

[5:00:05] income information. Thanks.

[5:00:08] >> Well, the reason I asked kind of

[5:00:12] question because

[5:00:15] for whatever reason

[5:00:18] for the last however many years,

[5:00:29] » it's not mandated how many you award to

[5:00:31] any school district. only mandated that

[5:00:33] you only award three inside the county

[5:00:35] boundaries. So you can and have in the

[5:00:39] past switched it to and one. Sometimes

[5:00:42] you've just wasted on the applications

[5:00:43] themselves without regard to which

[5:00:45] school district they are in.

[5:00:47] Theoretically we have three high

[5:00:49] schools. We have Skyline Find a High

[5:00:52] School and Big Piney High School.

[5:00:55] Skyline. If there are any applicants, I can't tell you the answer to this, but

[5:01:00] if there are any applicants from

[5:01:01] Skyline, they would be in the school

[5:01:03] district number one packet that you

[5:01:05] received. But should you want to

[5:01:09] equally diversify it by high school, you

[5:01:11] could one and one.

[5:01:15] >> Well,

[5:01:17] I listen to the package last night till

[5:01:21] they tell one:00.

[5:01:22] >> Oh, no. Did you think it was today?

[5:01:24] I was thinking it was for today when I

[5:01:28] looked at those because I know all those

[5:01:30] kids. I know their family background.

[5:01:34] I'm thinking, you know,

[5:01:39] if there was a way

[5:01:41] the county could do it if it's on a

[5:01:44] financial need, there's probably what I

[5:01:46] read, what I know, probably half a dozen

[5:01:49] those kids. Some of them are going to

[5:01:52] have scholarships. They don't know how

[5:01:53] to spend it all

[5:01:56] and their family take care of any of it.

[5:02:04] I'd like to be able to

[5:02:08] do it based on financial need.

[5:02:13] It'd be pretty easy for me to pick two

[5:02:15] or three for their school.

[5:02:18] >> Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky. Um, as

[5:02:22] long as they're going to a Wyoming

[5:02:24] college, you sort of do that. So, we

[5:02:28] have advised all of the colleges in

[5:02:30] Wyoming that, you know, in past budget

[5:02:33] years, of course, it's up for discussion

[5:02:35] each budget year, but that you have

[5:02:37] funded a line item for scholarships and

[5:02:39] that they can review their enrollment

[5:02:42] based on the student has to have

[5:02:44] graduated within the last five years

[5:02:46] from a sublet county high school. They

[5:02:48] have to maintain full-time enrollment.

[5:02:50] They have to have, I think, a 2.5 GPA.

[5:02:54] And I think that's it. And if they have

[5:02:57] students that meet those criteria and

[5:03:00] also meet the financial eligibility

[5:03:01] requirement, then they invoice us and we

[5:03:05] send a payment to that school for them.

[5:03:07] So you aren't making that decision, but

[5:03:10] it is occurring

[5:03:12] as long as you find that in your budget.

[5:03:16] >> Well, it's always it's always, you know,

[5:03:18] we talk about we just heard that

[5:03:20] discussion here today about keeping the

[5:03:22] youth dear,

[5:03:24] etc., etc.

[5:03:27] And

[5:03:29] if we can't invest in the youth

[5:03:33] and we're going to spend millions and

[5:03:34] millions of dollars on stuff, okay?

[5:03:38] And we're looking at not very much

[5:03:40] compared to sold to send some of these

[5:03:43] kids

[5:03:47] out there

[5:03:49] seem like a great investment.

[5:03:52] Whereas some of the other stuff we do

[5:03:53] very

[5:03:56] » So there's two different scholarships

[5:03:58] we're talking about, right? So one

[5:04:00] commissioner that's the state requires

[5:04:04] us to do.

[5:04:05] >> So in theory like what Janess said,

[5:04:07] every one of those kids that that are on

[5:04:09] that list, every one of them can still

[5:04:11] get a scholarship from us. They just

[5:04:13] have to apply through one of the Wyoming

[5:04:15] schools. we already fund that school so

[5:04:17] they can get so everybody on that list

[5:04:20] in theory can go to University of

[5:04:22] Wyoming and or any other nonprofit

[5:04:25] school within the state of Wyoming and

[5:04:28] get funding from us that we fund at

[5:04:30] every budget here. So they can also get

[5:04:32] a a a scholarship from us and we're

[5:04:36] already still

[5:04:38] um financing that line item like Janess

[5:04:41] said they'll still have that

[5:04:43] opportunity.

[5:04:45] word is not making the decision. We we

[5:04:47] made the decision that every one of them

[5:04:50] can get a scholarship. You just have to

[5:04:51] go to to one of the colleges within the

[5:04:53] state of Wyoming and you have to apply.

[5:04:57] Does that make sense?

[5:04:58] >> Well, that that makes sense. But I I

[5:05:00] I'll tell you what. I'll bet you I'll

[5:05:02] bet you most of the kids that applied

[5:05:03] for this scholarship

[5:05:08] don't understand that.

[5:05:10] >> Mr. We tried to tried to do a lot of

[5:05:12] education with the schools and on that

[5:05:14] domestic and talk to them and make sure

[5:05:17] that we are telling these guidance

[5:05:19] counselors that this is an option. This

[5:05:21] is way we funded it. This is how we're

[5:05:24] doing it. Please apply.

[5:05:26] >> Mr. Chairman, Commissioner White, that

[5:05:29] is absolutely correct. The difficulty is

[5:05:32] they're applying for scholarships right

[5:05:34] now, but you have not yet funded next

[5:05:37] year's budget. So there's this time

[5:05:40] frame in which I can't with assurityity

[5:05:44] say the commissioners have funded this

[5:05:46] budget line item tell your students to

[5:05:48] go to their financial aid department and

[5:05:50] school when they start because I don't

[5:05:53] know that you're going to fund that

[5:05:54] budget line item. And one more point of

[5:05:57] clarification, Mr. Chairman, is that

[5:05:58] this is not this does not what you'll be

[5:06:02] deciding next week or next meeting does

[5:06:04] not have any financial requirement. This

[5:06:08] is whatever you your determining factors

[5:06:11] are

[5:06:14] according to statute. You know there are some statutory requirements.

[5:06:18] >> So I think that correct me if I'm wrong.

[5:06:21] So there's going to be a budget

[5:06:24] transfer.

[5:06:26] We do it for everything else.

[5:06:28] >> Well, we already have a lot of money in

[5:06:29] that. I I want to say we funded that

[5:06:31] budget line item at about $45,000 for

[5:06:34] this fiscal year and we I know we've

[5:06:37] paid some to Casper College because they were the

[5:06:41] ones who initially didn't do it but they

[5:06:43] have

[5:06:45] I can't tell you for sure which

[5:06:48] organizations have contacted us and said

[5:06:50] yes we have students that meet these

[5:06:52] qualifications but it has been used

[5:06:53] during this fiscal year by students.

[5:06:56] There's still quite a bit left in that

[5:06:58] budget. Why not?

[5:07:00] >> If you wanted to, as we say, carry it

[5:07:03] over to the next year, but but there's

[5:07:06] been some issue with carryovers, too.

[5:07:09] So, but yes, there is you could

[5:07:11] theoretically not add any to

[5:07:15] um the required mill levy because it

[5:07:18] would still be in our cash available and

[5:07:21] we could do it at the amount that's

[5:07:22] remaining at the end of this year if you

[5:07:24] wanted to do that. And then that

[5:07:26] document that we missed on with the

[5:07:28] partnership is we we said, "Hey,

[5:07:30] University of Wyoming, you're not we we

[5:07:33] don't feel like all our kids are having

[5:07:36] access to that. We want to drop the

[5:07:38] requirements that we put on it before

[5:07:41] downloaded on GPA so more of some of our

[5:07:45] current kids can have access to that. So

[5:07:47] we just signed another document

[5:07:49] encouraging more kids to be eligible for

[5:07:53] that

[5:07:55] reason that

[5:07:58] makes no sense but

[5:08:02] like say those things I think

[5:08:08] there was three or four or five kids in

[5:08:10] Pineville and for sure two or three down

[5:08:13] here in my mind some of the backgrounds

[5:08:18] and knowing the kids,

[5:08:22] they're going to go to work if they have

[5:08:25] that extra little bit of opportunity. At

[5:08:27] least that's my take on it. No, I agree

[5:08:30] with you. I think it it sucks that we

[5:08:33] have to make that decision and we're

[5:08:35] statutoily required only for three kids.

[5:08:37] I think what we did in the background

[5:08:39] with our system and our program

[5:08:43] is way more beneficial to a lot more

[5:08:46] students but statutoily require only

[5:08:49] three kids but get the commissioner

[5:08:52] scholarship is what they call it.

[5:08:55] Yeah. No, I I can agree with that. I I

[5:08:59] can't imagine them not understanding how

[5:09:02] they could apply.

[5:09:04] >> Mr. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Vicky, if

[5:09:06] they do have a financial aid, it's

[5:09:08] almost certain that they're going to

[5:09:09] their financial aid office and the

[5:09:12] financial aid department should be

[5:09:14] notifying them of this option.

[5:09:16] >> And Mr. Chairman, Mr. Rickley, if I may,

[5:09:21] the practice of the organization when

[5:09:23] they are trying to do this is they are

[5:09:25] filling their back filling in so they

[5:09:28] know which students apply. They know

[5:09:30] which students are from Sel County.

[5:09:36] Great. Next item. Okay.

[5:09:39] >> Um, next to the podium, Mr. Chairman, is

[5:09:42] a box of dates of the county. You're

[5:09:45] welcome to take some out of that box. I

[5:09:47] have boxes for each of you if you want

[5:09:50] to get them distributed. You had

[5:09:52] mentioned distribution has been a

[5:09:54] problem in the past and that you wanted

[5:09:55] access to them so you can distribute

[5:09:56] them how you see fit. They are in the

[5:09:59] suburban and I believe the invoice was

[5:10:01] in your AP today

[5:10:04] >> and I think the Tony Del Ronda and you

[5:10:07] and other department have contributed

[5:10:09] did a tremendous job on it. Looks great.

[5:10:22] » It was mostly done but thank you

[5:10:26] for doing it.

[5:10:29] Um, I wanted to let you know that we did

[5:10:31] receive confirmation of the close out of

[5:10:33] the state and local fiscal recovery

[5:10:35] funds. That was basically COVID money as

[5:10:38] most people say. Um, that close out is

[5:10:41] complete. Obviously, if they want to

[5:10:44] come back and with their books, they

[5:10:45] can, but that is all available. I

[5:10:48] notified our auditor and Jessica Rice

[5:10:50] and Emily Harcini that that close out is

[5:10:52] complete. And I have those filed in my

[5:10:54] office should anybody want to look at

[5:10:55] those.

[5:10:57] and the auditor basically has all of it

[5:10:59] as well. It's it's all sent to him every

[5:11:01] year.

[5:11:03] Um

[5:11:05] on the

[5:11:07] after AP is done today, they will close

[5:11:10] the month or the last quarter. They'll

[5:11:14] close the last quarter essentially by

[5:11:15] closing the month. So we are back to the

[5:11:18] time of on the next meeting we can do

[5:11:20] those um

[5:11:24] budget analysis things again that we

[5:11:26] said we were going to skip a quarter on.

[5:11:28] So if that is still the will of the

[5:11:31] board we'll make that happen um probably

[5:11:33] in the same order unless somebody wants

[5:11:35] to change something. So on April 21st it

[5:11:37] would be ice and public health.

[5:11:40] Everybody okay with that or does anybody

[5:11:42] want to change? and skip it. We get

[5:11:44] through this procurement policy see

[5:11:47] enough through that.

[5:11:53] I think again the [clears throat] end of

[5:11:55] the year I mean we're keeping track of

[5:11:58] the big spenders pretty pretty tight.

[5:12:05] It's a a big benefit that they come in

[5:12:07] and explain that yeah we spent 60% of

[5:12:10] our budget and we're 60% of the year. So

[5:12:14] think we're going to have a lot more

[5:12:15] harder conversations when it comes to

[5:12:18] process.

[5:12:21] All agree with that discussion.

[5:12:44] » So what was the outcome? I'm sorry. Are

[5:12:48] we doing it or are we not doing it?

[5:12:50] Okay. All right. Um, I just gave you a

[5:12:54] little rundown on the website committee

[5:12:56] and what's happening there. If anybody

[5:12:58] has any questions, you contact someone

[5:13:00] on the website committee or ask me. I

[5:13:02] may or may not know.

[5:13:05] >> Other than that,

[5:13:06] >> there was a question pertaining um I saw

[5:13:09] from someone here to the employee portal

[5:13:11] maybe.

[5:13:13] >> Okay. So,

[5:13:16] we would need to talk about what needs

[5:13:18] to be included in the employee portal.

[5:13:20] Um, I the understanding I had was that was to stop emails from being sent

[5:13:27] out. So, I would suggest let's pull the

[5:13:30] employees and see if they will regularly

[5:13:32] go on there and be looking at it or if

[5:13:34] it will mean we'll miss getting

[5:13:36] information to employees because they're

[5:13:38] having to go look for the information.

[5:13:40] We sent an email claim saying that all

[5:13:43] information is available on the employee

[5:13:46] portal

[5:13:48] uh notification will no longer be

[5:13:51] emailed other than a

[5:13:54] update notification

[5:13:57] network

[5:13:59] update notification. I'm sorry I was I

[5:14:01] missed that part of the discussion. The

[5:14:03] employee portal is changing what?

[5:14:05] >> Okay. So on an employee portal versus

[5:14:09] having email sent out from HR, if we put

[5:14:13] all the information into the employee

[5:14:16] online portal

[5:14:19] and

[5:14:21] then

[5:14:23] update the new update

[5:14:27] that would be sufficient.

[5:14:31] What information are we talking about?

[5:14:34] chain creates an employee portals where

[5:14:36] they can go in and review their status

[5:14:39] where they're at for hours. Updates to

[5:14:42] HR policy are changes in the Fed law.

[5:14:46] >> Mr. Chairman Clayton, um it came up when

[5:14:49] something was sent that was required, I

[5:14:51] believe, by the federal government for a

[5:14:53] change to employment law or something. I

[5:14:55] don't know. Andrea sent something out

[5:14:57] recently and she was required to notify

[5:15:01] every employee.

[5:15:03] I think if we're as long as we're

[5:15:05] meeting that off the top of my head,

[5:15:06] then I would have to follow up with with

[5:15:08] Andrew.

[5:15:10] But as if it's requiring notification

[5:15:12] and we're providing notification, even

[5:15:14] if it directs to the portal or if it has

[5:15:16] the information contained in the

[5:15:18] notification, I would anticipate that

[5:15:20] we're good, but I would won't look into

[5:15:22] that.

[5:15:23] >> And perhaps because of our community,

[5:15:25] they're not mandated to that. A couple

[5:15:28] of things in that regard.

[5:15:30] I'll make a note to follow with Andrea

[5:15:32] to talk to her about it. Thank you.

[5:15:35] >> Um,

[5:15:40] we had the forest the fourth and final

[5:15:42] well not final but fourth of four forest

[5:15:46] collaborative meetings and got through

[5:15:48] the voting process. I had contacted Matt

[5:15:50] because he went to the third meeting and

[5:15:52] kind of had the rundown of what we were going to

[5:16:00] be voting on. So I asked him in his

[5:16:02] opinion. We got through that process. So

[5:16:05] they are preparing a finalized document

[5:16:07] for that. They are also planning to have

[5:16:10] at least two meetings each year so that

[5:16:14] everything is kept um up to date. The

[5:16:18] hope is that some of the things will

[5:16:20] help move projects forward and move

[5:16:22] funding forward for certain.

[5:16:24] >> Was there anything they voted on? Wasn't

[5:16:26] it

[5:16:26] >> there? Everything that you had seen was

[5:16:29] voted on. There was one that had a a

[5:16:35] person who voted five. In other words,

[5:16:37] they could not live with that. So, that

[5:16:39] one will have an explan a written

[5:16:41] explanation as to why they couldn't live

[5:16:44] with whatever the topic was. And that

[5:16:47] will inform future meetings, future

[5:16:51] meetings that result in hopefully action

[5:16:54] on the ground.

[5:16:55] >> So where did this collaborative get

[5:16:57] started? Is this something Yoshi started

[5:16:59] or that?

[5:16:59] >> No, it it started in 2017. The first

[5:17:02] collaborative was in 2017 and then again

[5:17:04] in 2021.

[5:17:06] And that is what has sort of shaped in

[5:17:10] larger measure the forest services

[5:17:13] 10-year vegetation plan.

[5:17:16] and the Forest Service was is in the

[5:17:18] collaborative. So they are they too are

[5:17:20] voting many times they voted a two which

[5:17:23] essentially meant that they could live

[5:17:25] with it but they couldn't wholeheartedly

[5:17:28] support it because and their reasoning

[5:17:30] was that they um don't envision having

[5:17:34] the resources to do it.

[5:17:36] >> Oh yeah. But the hope is that by making

[5:17:39] it a priority and in a collaborative,

[5:17:43] it'll help funnel funds to some of these

[5:17:46] things. So, we'll see. But in your

[5:17:50] report in the red, it talks about how LA

[5:17:54] the 10-year veg plan has been

[5:17:56] implemented last year, this year, and

[5:17:57] moving forward. So, just as food for

[5:18:00] thought, that veg plan meeting is

[5:18:03] tomorrow. We're meeting in the

[5:18:06] conservation district. It the meeting is

[5:18:08] actually in Jackson, but we're doing it

[5:18:09] remotely from the conservation district

[5:18:11] building.

[5:18:25] » Okay.

[5:18:28] tomorrow.

[5:18:31] Chairman, Commissioner Vicky, you had

[5:18:33] asked about the gambling legislation. I

[5:18:35] don't know for sure if it's going to hit

[5:18:37] the priorities, but tomorrow at 4:00 is

[5:18:39] your WCCA legislative recap. It's a

[5:18:42] virtual meeting where Jeremiah will go

[5:18:44] through all the legislation that passed

[5:18:46] and how it may or may not impact

[5:18:48] counties. So, you that would be a good

[5:18:51] one to attend.

[5:18:54] Um, and then finally, we received

[5:18:57] information about the funding summit

[5:18:59] that the state of Wyoming puts on a few

[5:19:02] years ago. It was the federal funding

[5:19:04] summit. They brought in federal agencies

[5:19:06] and local agencies and taught grant

[5:19:09] writing the first two days and then

[5:19:12] talked specifically on the next two days

[5:19:15] about what federal grants were

[5:19:17] available. They've kind of pivoted off

[5:19:20] that. It's not. It's just now the annual

[5:19:22] Wyoming funding summit and they are

[5:19:24] doing a 4-day panel 4-day session again

[5:19:28] with interactive panels on days threes

[5:19:30] and three and four, not just federal

[5:19:32] agencies. Last year when I got notified

[5:19:35] of this, I asked you if you wanted me to

[5:19:37] notify if it was okay if I notified um

[5:19:40] those departments that are applying for

[5:19:42] grants and you authorized it last year.

[5:19:44] I don't know that anybody went but this

[5:19:47] is a free event other than the room

[5:19:50] report. So would you like me to

[5:19:54] distribute this information to for

[5:19:57] instance

[5:19:58] fire who does their own applications

[5:20:00] public health um urban bridge does some

[5:20:03] of their own grant applications

[5:20:09] public health must be pretty good at it

[5:20:12] be changing now we won't have anybody

[5:20:14] there that's

[5:20:15] >> and Josie is applying for grants now

[5:20:20] >> and right actually in the process of

[5:20:22] renewing that Colorado River

[5:20:24] sustainability campaign extending and

[5:20:26] renewing that hopefully.

[5:20:29] So,

[5:20:32] but

[5:20:39] » yeah,

[5:20:42] it's beneficial for us. Um, the smarter

[5:20:46] our

[5:20:48] um employees are and more information

[5:20:52] that they know that there's possible

[5:20:54] grants out there and the better. So I

[5:20:57] think any training available this is a

[5:21:00] good one should be all

[5:21:07] [snorts]

[5:21:11] » are there any other departments Mr.

[5:21:13] Chairman that you want me to send it to

[5:21:14] besides maybe those three

[5:21:17] >> just send it out. Okay.

[5:21:21] All right Mr. Chairman that's all I have

[5:21:24] questions.

[5:21:24] >> Okay. So I got one more thing. So the

[5:21:27] street talk and you know how that can be

[5:21:30] the street talk is like a word on the

[5:21:32] street.

[5:21:35] [laughter] The street talk happened that

[5:21:37] the fourth service was going to start

[5:21:40] reconstructing

[5:21:42] the road.

[5:21:44] Anybody else heard anything about that?

[5:21:46] >> They thought about it for 10 years.

[5:21:50] >> They're going up over Union Pass.

[5:21:52] >> This is this is B. They're gonna go.

[5:21:56] Last I heard they only had no

[5:21:58] funding,000.

[5:22:02] » I think they got more fun though.

[5:22:05] They're going to be part of Union Pass

[5:22:07] and they're going to go from the bridge

[5:22:09] 13 miles to the green.

[5:22:13] >> I'll be shocked.

[5:22:14] >> Oh, but

[5:22:16] I I think it's definitely going to

[5:22:18] happen.

[5:22:22] Yeah, we shall do

[5:22:25] people up there.

[5:22:29] Have you heard of it's going to be

[5:22:30] schedule A or they going to involve us

[5:22:32] or they involve some fetal

[5:22:37] federal route

[5:22:38] >> and two two outlets in Jackson most of

[5:22:41] the works.

[5:22:44] >> Mr. Chairman, I believe did Kate talk to

[5:22:46] you about some kind of a schedule A

[5:22:48] project? He said that there was a

[5:22:50] possibility that they had some schedule

[5:22:52] a project for um

[5:22:56] by

[5:22:59] >> is it Temple

[5:23:00] >> Temple Creek.

[5:23:01] >> Yeah. Some some stuff by family and

[5:23:04] adviser to have an engineer would like

[5:23:08] to have in the past and see they can put

[5:23:11] that project together for us

[5:23:16] or not.

[5:23:21] which I remember schedule.

[5:23:27] We're just not tying the federal

[5:23:29] restrictions on those.

[5:23:39] » Mr. Chairman, would the procurement

[5:23:40] policy affect that? Would we be

[5:23:45] we should keep that in mind?

[5:23:48] I think we'd be trying our own hands on

[5:23:50] something like that to get some of that

[5:23:51] work done.

[5:23:59] » Understand the question. I'm sorry.

[5:24:02] >> Mr. Chairman, I was just asking if the

[5:24:05] potential adoption if we were to adopt

[5:24:07] the procurement plan or pro policy that

[5:24:10] was presented today,

[5:24:12] part of the advantage for the Forest

[5:24:14] Service of the county engaging in these

[5:24:16] schedule A's is we don't have the same

[5:24:19] contracting requirements that they have

[5:24:21] and I I don't think we would be limiting

[5:24:23] ourselves extensively, but would we be

[5:24:26] limiting our ability to engage in those

[5:24:28] with our own procurement policy was the

[5:24:30] question. I don't see any of selecting a

[5:24:34] contractor to do the policy.

[5:24:37] >> Do we se do we select contractors

[5:24:41] for that fam or do we do we do the work?

[5:24:44] I don't know the answer. I guess yeah

[5:24:46] like Skyline we did select contractors

[5:24:48] for it

[5:24:55] lower

[5:24:58] engineer

[5:25:02] came back

[5:25:04] >> the 1000

[5:25:06] million

[5:25:10] 9 million changes

[5:25:18] That

[5:25:18] >> that's it for me.

[5:25:19] >> Any questions for Janess

[5:25:22] online? Questions?

[5:25:25] >> No hands.

[5:25:26] >> I have an update from Katie Rulan who

[5:25:28] will be doing a presentation on the 23rd

[5:25:31] of this month at the UK's

[5:25:35] boardroom I think is where it's at. uh

[5:25:37] pertaining to the uh economic

[5:25:42] and future planning of the envelope

[5:25:45] migration route along with um town sweet

[5:25:50] water helicopter

[5:26:04] or not

[5:26:06] you cancelled the one that went to his

[5:26:09] desk earlier and then he created a new

[5:26:12] commission to uh create a new one.

[5:26:16] We created a task force

[5:26:22] of the task force that's on it. I

[5:26:24] understand that they asking for the

[5:26:28] counties to do a presentation on what

[5:26:31] the potential

[5:26:33] um changes with the analog corridor and

[5:26:38] migration corridor would impact our

[5:26:42] current land use policy. Right. Am I

[5:26:45] right?

[5:26:48] But they agreed to the last one is only

[5:26:52] public not supposed to be private.

[5:26:55] >> So that's be changed.

[5:26:57] >> Correct. No, but the discussion does

[5:27:00] have to in encompass private land. Um

[5:27:06] it's saying

[5:27:09] when it comes to the development of that

[5:27:12] how do you feed the developer and what

[5:27:14] are the what's the

[5:27:18] impact on that

[5:27:23] but it deals mostly because voluntary

[5:27:29] it can't be mandated to do anything

[5:27:32] other than say this is what we're

[5:27:34] looking at kind of what we'd like to

[5:27:36] have in effect and then it goes to

[5:27:39] public federal land and that's where

[5:27:41] they'll have the

[5:27:45] basic rules and then they

[5:27:50] bottlenecks where it comes to the

[5:27:52] crossing the roads and

[5:27:54] I

[5:27:57] my thoughts I don't like the word

[5:28:00] volunteer put in there Right. So then

[5:28:04] you you take the mu deer um migration

[5:28:08] um executive order and I think it was

[5:28:11] bullet point 4 says nothing in this

[5:28:14] order shall pertain to private plan. As

[5:28:17] soon as you start adding that word

[5:28:19] voluntary, you're going to have some of

[5:28:21] our constituents that are going to read

[5:28:23] that and publicly shame people and come

[5:28:27] before us on what decision that we're

[5:28:29] going [clears throat] to be making and

[5:28:30] say, "Well, they should volunteer for it

[5:28:33] because so and so down here volunteer

[5:28:35] for it." And if they don't, that should

[5:28:36] be a reason for you guys to deny this

[5:28:39] rather than art or um policy and or

[5:28:46] black and white rules that say, "Hey,

[5:28:48] this pertains here anytime. I don't like

[5:28:51] that in voluntary." That's my thoughts.

[5:28:55] Excellent point.

[5:28:57] Then of course they have the uh

[5:29:01] fin

[5:29:03] coming up the next meeting

[5:29:08] that will get to the rest of the

[5:29:09] conversation.

[5:29:12] I know the first go round before the

[5:29:16] governor said, "Look, I'm gonna form

[5:29:18] this committee and put it out to this

[5:29:20] committee to advise me on where we're

[5:29:22] going to go with this." Said that

[5:29:25] nothing in that would pertain to

[5:29:28] existing development that's already

[5:29:30] happened. It would only pertain to new

[5:29:33] development outside of whatever fold or

[5:29:36] sideboards that they put into that

[5:29:38] development. For example, I think game

[5:29:41] and fish um several times had said

[5:29:45] um the upper boat dock or the lower boat

[5:29:48] dock at Fremont Lake is a is a very big

[5:29:50] tension point. That executive order

[5:29:53] would say that there could never be any

[5:29:55] kind of development there.

[5:29:57] But there could be development within

[5:30:00] the boundaries of the Pine Deline. As

[5:30:02] soon as you step outside of the Pine

[5:30:04] Deline, for example, and or anything we

[5:30:08] got going through the south with blue

[5:30:09] spruce or anything else, there would

[5:30:12] have to be some discussions on what that

[5:30:14] would pertain to the animal migration.

[5:30:20] Something we definitely need to keep an

[5:30:21] eye on.

[5:30:22] >> I don't think our planning is personally

[5:30:24] needs to be made to this. Well, no,

[5:30:26] they're just doing the presentation as

[5:30:28] far as how it ties to our comprehensive

[5:30:31] plan.

[5:30:32] >> So, our chairman volunteered himself to be leading this, but he's he's going

[5:30:38] to do the presentation.

[5:30:40] >> It's being led by

[5:30:43] uh Commissioner Robert.

[5:30:45] >> Yeah, Rob Slaughter is the chairman of

[5:30:47] the But you're you're the one

[5:30:49] representing

[5:30:51] Busby. Yeah. And our our thing. So, good

[5:30:53] luck.

[5:30:57] » [laughter]

[5:30:58] >> Thanks,

[5:30:58] >> Mr. Chairman. Does it also I'm curious

[5:31:01] on the private land on this new plan, if

[5:31:04] they had to pull a state permit for

[5:31:05] whatever reason, are they suddenly

[5:31:07] subject to

[5:31:10] regulations for

[5:31:12] >> like

[5:31:16] I don't know what the answer is on this

[5:31:17] one.

[5:31:19] We're not that far.

[5:31:24] Well, that's a great question, right?

[5:31:26] Because with the sage grass, as soon as

[5:31:28] you have to any private development,

[5:31:30] soon as they have to pull a state

[5:31:32] permit, they're subject to buying

[5:31:35] credits with any disturbed uh safe grass

[5:31:39] habitat, which is a whole new ballax

[5:31:42] because the pathfinder sold out and

[5:31:46] they're the only ones within the state

[5:31:48] of Wyoming that is a registered bank for

[5:31:51] those credits.

[5:31:52] and don't know how that's going to work

[5:31:54] out with the new owners and how much

[5:31:56] land is dedicated on that pathfinder

[5:31:59] that's not already spoken for or tied up

[5:32:02] through some sort of credit process.

[5:32:06] some great questions and I've asked

[5:32:09] several king and fish people have yet to

[5:32:12] give an answer where that banking system

[5:32:15] is going to go and how it's going to

[5:32:16] work with other changes and anybody

[5:32:19] else's mandated

[5:32:22] >> well then there's also the fally

[5:32:24] mandated revising

[5:32:31] does a good enough job on protecting s

[5:32:34] so there's als Start from

[5:32:50] » Hey, we're at the end of the meeting. Is

[5:32:52] there any public comment or question

[5:32:53] from online?

[5:32:56] >> No hands.

[5:33:01] Oh business.

[5:33:03] We got that.

[5:33:07] Yeah. So whole business for you, please.

[5:33:10] I've got old business. [clears throat]

[5:33:13] [laughter]

[5:33:15] So

[5:33:18] I think well it is completely scrapped

[5:33:21] with

[5:33:23] the county involvement or anything at

[5:33:26] this stage of the game. My father

[5:33:27] grabbed it completely with it till they

[5:33:31] carried the existing river. He held the

[5:33:34] fence track where it was originally fine

[5:33:36] and not temporary

[5:33:42] showed up like that.

[5:33:45] I see that thing. I see that thing

[5:33:50] going to be two or three.

[5:33:53] It's going to be another who knows how

[5:33:55] much money

[5:33:59] that money that we're going to save by

[5:34:00] not doing it. Put it someplace else if

[5:34:03] we

[5:34:09] from our last meeting. He said he had to

[5:34:11] rebuild a portion of it. He could hand

[5:34:13] that his own budget,

[5:34:15] >> but he doesn't have to build. We'll talk

[5:34:17] to people down there. We'll talk to the

[5:34:19] people down there back that used all the

[5:34:21] time. Once the willows were gone,

[5:34:23] >> right, that's that's the word I got.

[5:34:25] >> That took that took care of the issues.

[5:34:28] >> Susie was upset about it. We went in

[5:34:32] [clears throat] her last week that

[5:34:35] wasn't going to be done,

[5:34:37] but it is

[5:34:40] not

[5:34:43] folks.

[5:34:46] Dr.

[5:34:51] I say no. I I think that you know the

[5:34:54] people that use it down there.

[5:34:57] I now tell me most of the time except in

[5:35:00] summer travel four or five cars a day

[5:35:03] maybe

[5:35:05] pick up that season

[5:35:08] but

[5:35:10] I don't know that that's my take on it.

[5:35:12] I just I just know I talked to a couple

[5:35:14] of the guys said in fact they said great

[5:35:17] job of not doing that. We don't need it

[5:35:19] there. Doesn't need it.

[5:35:23] Does anyone want to decide

[5:35:28] bring it up at the next commissioner's

[5:35:31] meeting and make determination?

[5:35:36] He may already be well that could happen

[5:35:42] that country down there

[5:35:46] snow

[5:35:49] it's prime to go get it done then we're

[5:35:52] going to be talking

[5:35:59] like building identif is working on it

[5:36:02] and bring it up to the next meeting

[5:36:06] just on the agenda.

[5:36:13] I think we'll have enough information

[5:36:15] today.

[5:36:21] I'm not part of the project. Never was I

[5:36:23] mean been on the road a lot. It's wide

[5:36:25] open as this. I just think we've got

[5:36:28] other roads in this county.

[5:36:32] » We've heard about

[5:36:34] the county go

[5:36:40] at that point. That's all I

[5:36:44] thought. My thoughts is

[5:36:48] I'd like

[5:36:52] the bill for it. Um said the engineering

[5:36:54] was already done. We're we're already

[5:36:58] paying those employees. So I don't know

[5:37:01] like that really thought

[5:37:05] that's engineering done. We've been

[5:37:06] given a lot of

[5:37:11] I just don't think I just don't blame

[5:37:13] them doing that. This country is going

[5:37:15] to open up and you're going to see Billy

[5:37:17] have a lot of stuff.

[5:37:18] >> So if you be kind enough to contact

[5:37:20] Billy do that be and then pardon

[5:37:24] >> I will have to be kind. I should call

[5:37:26] him out and tell him we're going to

[5:37:28] discuss it next meeting.

[5:37:30] >> Okay. Please get started now.

[5:37:33] This is what we're saying. Would you

[5:37:35] that next year? What other business do

[5:37:38] you have?

[5:37:43] Any other

[5:37:45] great

[5:37:47] to got anything?

[5:37:51] >> Thanks for coming.

[5:37:53] >> So long since I saw you recognize why

[5:37:55] I'm here tonight. I haven't been a

[5:37:58] chance to come by and sit in on this and

[5:38:01] we did have about 15 people the other

[5:38:02] night in ourformational

[5:38:04] meeting about any and so I just thought

[5:38:07] I'd stop in case there was any of those

[5:38:09] people come back. some a pretty good

[5:38:11] crowd that just and really good

[5:38:13] discussion

[5:38:14] >> and what was their feedback on the

[5:38:17] >> I think there's some of each

[5:38:20] like Sandy said the chair lady said I

[5:38:22] think there was some some good feedback

[5:38:24] from and some some worries you know

[5:38:28] about in the future and and through the

[5:38:31] information knowledge about you know the

[5:38:34] sunset laws and and where this money

[5:38:36] went and it was even on the agenda where

[5:38:40] they back in front

[5:38:44] of the conversation.

[5:38:46] It was good.

[5:38:49] One other thing.

[5:38:54] So,

[5:38:56] and I think it's great that the red kids

[5:38:59] here,

[5:39:01] >> but I'm wondering

[5:39:03] I think probably the Finale High School

[5:39:05] basketball boys were involved in a I'm

[5:39:10] guessing it's never happened before

[5:39:12] overtime win for the consolation

[5:39:16] championship. I'm wondering if it would

[5:39:18] be appropriate maybe to really thought

[5:39:20] it was.

[5:39:22] >> If I may interject on that. Yes. Um

[5:39:26] spoken with couple of people in

[5:39:29] gymnastics specifically. Once we get

[5:39:31] outside of these state titles, we open

[5:39:35] up.

[5:39:36] >> That is a state club.

[5:39:38] >> Pardon? It is a state. Yeah, but it's

[5:39:40] not number one.

[5:39:43] >> I couldn't hear you.

[5:39:44] >> But it's not number one.

[5:39:45] >> Right. They've been placed first and

[5:39:47] that's that's what

[5:39:51] they

[5:39:54] remind is fourth. It's not first

[5:39:58] and second and second because if you

[5:39:59] started giving them let me tell you

[5:40:01] about first second third

[5:40:07] of who you are how important it is just

[5:40:09] place

[5:40:11] first is not always don't always pass

[5:40:15] excited about just getting some placeic

[5:40:19] local%

[5:40:26] And you're on friendly ears because I

[5:40:28] we've had this conversation

[5:40:31] suggested the recognition for two skiers

[5:40:34] who placed number one at the state meet

[5:40:36] but were not number one to all the

[5:40:39] points.

[5:40:42] » So what's happening with the with the

[5:40:45] two seers?

[5:40:47] >> You said no state champions

[5:40:50] >> because they were points winners. They

[5:40:52] were only they only won first at the

[5:40:55] state meet.

[5:40:56] >> Okay, that was

[5:40:58] crazy. Then we had the uh

[5:41:02] [snorts] women's hockey

[5:41:05] state

[5:41:11] » Okay. So So [clears throat] what about

[5:41:14] So here we go. So we got kids on the

[5:41:16] wrestling team. They didn't win the

[5:41:18] state as a group, but they had

[5:41:21] >> but the individuals did.

[5:41:23] >> And we recognized those last year.

[5:41:25] >> Yeah. Well, we still got some coming up

[5:41:27] this weekend last week. Last weekend,

[5:41:34] two or three out of the play saying,

[5:41:35] "Hey, you guys are good. The last time

[5:41:37] you second, third, and fourth." Well,

[5:41:39] they place he's eventually a state title

[5:41:44] which is different than any team title

[5:41:47] they wrestle with.

[5:41:50] That's why I always thought it was

[5:41:52] pretty unique to go down there. I'm

[5:41:54] guessing there's no team ever

[5:41:57] with

[5:41:58] play for

[5:42:01] this case.

[5:42:06] I'll tell you what, when you watch those

[5:42:08] kids,

[5:42:09] your [clears throat] excitement was

[5:42:10] clear through the roof. You can't tell

[5:42:12] anyone

[5:42:15] ever said anything that it wasn't.

[5:42:26] [laughter]

[5:42:28] All in favor?

[5:42:30] So, we'll get to

[5:42:44] How are you? I'm ready. Perfect.

3/17/2026 Sublette County Board of County Commissioners Meeting

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