[0:01] I'd like to call the order of the regular session of the city council, the city of St. Charles, Missouri, did it Tuesday, August 4, 2026, Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll?

[0:10] Yes, sir, Tom Brooning.

[0:12] Justin Faust.

[0:14] Michael Galva.

[0:15] Here.

[0:15] Brian Gould.

[0:16] Bart Haber Stroke.

[0:17] Here.

[0:18] Mark Hollander.

[0:19] Steve Hollander.

[0:21] Chris Kyle.

[0:22] Here.

[0:23] And Vince Ratchford.

[0:24] Here.

[0:24] There is a quorum.

[0:26] You please join me for our moment of silence and our pledge of allegiance.

[0:51] Mr.

[0:59] President, can I request that item be under presentation in awards and proclamations

[1:03] be moved to report of the mayor?

[1:10] Thank you.

[1:13] So, presentations, awards and proclamations?

[1:18] I guess I could go ahead and do that, or unless you want to.

[1:24] So tonight, if it's okay, I just want to announce that my Assistant City Clerk, Emily Golanowitz, recently received her certification from the Missouri City Clerk's Finance Officers Association.

[1:35] It's a great honor to have received that certification and police worked very, very hard to do so.

[1:41] And so tonight, we have a representative from our Eastern Division Association here to present Emily with her certificate and recognize her for this achievement.

[1:50] We're very, very proud of her in our clerk's office.

[1:52] Good

[2:13] evening, Mayor and members of the City Council.

[2:16] My name is Tracy Williams, I'm the City Clerk in the City of Flint Hill.

[2:21] And I'm here also with Dorothy Matthews,

[2:24] she's the City Clerk in Handley Hills, and of course Emily.

[2:30] We're on here on behalf of the Missouri City Clerk's and Finance Officers,

[2:33] Association to recognize your assistant City Clerk Emily Glentowitz

[2:37] for an outstanding professional achievement.

[2:39] The MOCCFOA is dedicated to advancing the education and professional development of city clerks

[2:46] and findings officers, helping members stay current with their ever-changing laws and regulations

[2:51] that impact local government.

[2:53] Emily has earned her MRCC, the Certificate, the Certification reflects her commitment to the

[3:00] professional excellence through education, training, and experience.

[3:04] her dedication to continue to continue as learning, but if it's not only her career, but also the

[3:10] city of St. Charles in his leadership and its residents. On behalf of the Missouri City

[3:15] clerks and Finance Officers Association and especially her colleagues in the Eastern

[3:19] Division, congratulations Emily. We are proud to present you with the certificate of

[3:25] of appreciation and recognition of the outstanding accomplishment.

[4:31] And I would like

[4:40] to say thank you for supporting me through this journey.

[5:09] Thank you.

[5:11] Mr. Ratchford.

[5:12] I just want to say, you know, I think I can probably speak for the rest of the council.

[5:16] But we're very lucky to have the staff and leadership we have in the clerks office.

[5:19] Thank you, congratulations, Emily.

[5:21] Well done.

[5:26] All right, presentation.

[5:27] We're headed to the overview of the Board's and Commission's application and vetting process.

[5:32] I ask for that to be moved after public comment.

[5:34] Move to the mayor's.

[5:35] My apologies.

[5:35] No problem.

[5:36] All right.

[5:38] Time for public comments.

[5:39] Yes, sir.

[5:40] The public comment portion of the meeting is an opportunity for the city council to listen to the comments from the public.

[5:46] It is not a question and answer session.

[5:48] The mayor and city council will not respond to comments or answer questions during this period.

[5:53] The mayor or the City Council may refer any matter brought up to the director of the administration

[5:58] or the City Clerk if action is needed.

[6:01] A notification will sound when three minutes have elapsed, all persons who desire to provide

[6:05] public comments shall complete a speaker's card in its entirety and presented to the City

[6:10] Clerk prior to the scheduled start of the City Council meeting.

[6:13] Madam Clerk, do we have any speakers?

[6:15] Yes, I do.

[6:16] The first speaker up is Leslie Beck and she's here representing Eagle Pines and speaking against

[6:22] J.S. S. Development.

[6:34] Thank you. I'm Leslie Beck.

[6:36] And the only thing that we want to,

[6:38] I want to personally to ask the

[6:40] console tonight, is that the

[6:42] development that they're planning at

[6:45] 965-Hemstad Road, it

[6:48] doesn't actually fit in our neighborhood

[6:50] footprint. We've got Tuscany

[6:52] Bias. We've got Ashley Woods.

[6:55] We've got Hampton Place, which is a

[6:58] very, very nice development.

[6:59] So, it was suggested that we speak with JSS and talk to the developer about our concerns,

[7:09] which we are going to do, because we're not opposed to all the development, but to

[7:14] cram 39 homes in that area will cause traffic problems, it will cause water problems for

[7:23] subdivision. So if we had five or ten nice high end homes

[7:30] This is in that area and make it like the Hampton's, make it secluded, make it available, where we could still get the property development in that area and not congested.

[7:44] Me, my opinion, I would not be opposed to it, but cramping in all that 39 homes in that area is very, very, with our water system, the way it is on our lower end of our Eagle Spur Court, if anybody's familiar with it, is very low land and we are fearful that our water system is fragile now that it will actually overload it.

[8:13] And that's what I just wanted to ask the board to consider those issues with the development if they continue with the 39 homes.

[8:23] Thank you.

[8:24] Thank you.

[8:24] It's best.

[8:26] I.

[8:26] Okay.

[8:27] So next.

[8:28] I have Carl Schoenick.

[8:30] And Carl, I just want to make sure what you're here to speak on.

[8:34] Is Carl here.

[8:36] Hi.

[8:36] So I have you listed under public comment regarding two council bills.

[8:39] Would you like to speak relative to those?

[8:41] And then I also have you listed over here under public hearings for our.

[8:45] So you can go ahead and you have three minutes under public, under public comment and then you'll be called again under the public hearing.

[8:54] Under the.

[8:56] Excuse me. Hello, my name is Carl Shainicky with civil and environmental consultants and I'm just here to represent for the two record plats that are on for a new town.

[9:07] that are later in the agenda.

[9:12] My name is Carl Sheneke with Civil and Environmental Consultants, and I'm here to represent

[9:19] the two record plats that are on the agenda tonight for a new town.

[9:24] I don't really have a presentation for them or anything, but we're just shrinking.

[9:28] The lots are getting bigger on those two plats, so we're losing a couple lots on each

[9:31] plot. So if you have any questions during the bill portion, I'll be here for that.

[9:36] Thank you.

[9:37] Thank you, sir.

[9:38] I have no further public comments.

[9:41] Thank you, Madam Clerk.

[9:42] You're welcome.

[9:44] Okay.

[9:44] For the report of the mayor.

[9:46] No.

[9:48] No.

[9:48] Excuse me.

[9:49] Hold on just one second.

[9:50] You all feel that speaker cards to speak during the public hearing portion of our council meeting.

[9:55] We are not public hearing portion of the council meeting yet.

[9:57] Your name will be called when we get to those items.

[9:59] Thank you.

[10:00] Thank you.

[10:02] Okay.

[10:02] Report of the mayor.

[10:03] Thank you.

[10:05] I'd like to begin my report with a correction.

[10:08] As a matter of record, at the last council meeting, activist Arnie Dinoff and Councilman

[10:14] Ratscher objected to my appointment of Mr. Lisa Alexander, a resident of Winsfield, Missouri

[10:19] to the St. Charles City County Library Board.

[10:22] Point of order, I made no such objection.

[10:24] Okay.

[10:25] Thank you.

[10:25] Do you want to retract that?

[10:26] I'll retract it.

[10:27] Thank you.

[10:28] They stated that Ms. Alexander was not a St. Charles City resident and as such was ineligible

[10:32] to serve on the St. Charles City County Library Board.

[10:36] Mr. Ratchford, then again ask for a system of authentication and validation of proposed candidates.

[10:44] Let me stake for the record that appointees to the Central City County Library Board must be residents of a library district,

[10:51] comprised of the boundaries of St. Charles County and not necessarily the City of St. Charles.

[10:54] Ms. Alexander's resident of Winsfield, Missouri, as far as authentication and validation

[11:00] of candidates.

[11:01] I'm going to ask my executive assistant, Ms. Amy Mills, to give a brief presentation

[11:06] as to the process and her modification of it to ensure accuracy at every level.

[11:11] Amy,

[11:40] Chadwick.

[11:43] There we go.

[11:46] Thank you.

[11:49] Good evening, Mayor and Council.

[11:51] My name is Amy Mills, and I serve as the executive assistant to the mayor.

[11:54] Tonight I'd like to provide a brief overview of the Board's and Commission's application and vetting process used by the mayor's office.

[12:03] Over the past several months we've implemented improvements to standardize the application process, improved documentation,

[12:09] and ensure applicants are reviewed consistently before appointments are presented to Council.

[12:15] Applications are accepted year round through three methods.

[12:20] Our new online fillable application, a downloadable PDF, or a paper application.

[12:26] One of the improvements we've recently implemented is the new online application, which

[12:31] guides applicants through all required fields and requires a resume before submission.

[12:36] As a result, we receive more complete and consistent applications, allowing staff to begin

[12:41] the review process more efficiently.

[12:45] Once an application is received, I conducted initial review and contact the applicant if any

[12:50] additional information or clarification is needed. I then verify qualifications based on the

[12:56] requirements of the specific board or commission. Because not every board has the same eligibility

[13:01] criteria, the verification process varies depending on the applicable city ordinance or

[13:06] Missouri statute governing that board. Verification may include residency, voter registration,

[13:14] taxpayer status, professional licensure, or other board specific qualifications.

[13:18] When there is a question regarding eligibility or interpretation of our requirement, I consult

[13:24] with the legal department before moving forward.

[13:28] Council members have asked how applicants are vetted before appointments come before Council.

[13:33] In response to those questions, I reviewed the appointment process to identify ways to better

[13:38] communicate the information provided with appointment recommendations.

[13:45] As a result, I have developed an appointment qualification verification form that will serve

[13:50] as the cover sheet for every appointment presented to Council.

[13:54] The form documents, the applicable ordinance requirements,

[13:57] how those qualifications were verified,

[13:59] and the source is used during the review process.

[14:02] It provides a consistent record supporting each appointment

[14:05] and gives Council a concise summary

[14:07] of the applicant's eligibility before considering the appointment.

[14:11] Moving forward, this formal accompany every appointment packet

[14:14] presented to Council for consideration.

[14:17] In addition, following questions raised

[14:19] At the last Council meeting regarding the vetting process, I applied the same verification

[14:24] process to every current member serving on the city's boards and commissions.

[14:28] Because a standardized verification process had not previously been documented, I completed

[14:34] a comprehensive review to verify and document each member's eligibility under the applicable

[14:39] governing requirements.

[14:41] The results were compiled into an internal verification spreadsheet and provided to administration

[14:47] an illegal department for additional review. Based on the information reviewed, the current members

[14:52] meet the eligibility requirements for the seats they currently hold. Because the spreadsheet

[14:57] contains personal information, it was not...

[15:00] Not included in the council packet. However, it is available to any council member upon request.

[15:07] After verification, qualified applicants are presented to the mayor for consideration. Following the mayor's interviews and selections,

[15:17] a complete appointment packet is prepared for council, which will move forward include the appointment memo, application, resume and qualification,

[15:26] verification form to be sent to Council no less than seven days before the appointment is proposed

[15:32] at a city council meeting. Upon approval, the candidate is introduced to the staff liaison

[15:37] for the board, sent their certification of appointment, and once signed and attested the process

[15:43] is complete. While the application and vetting process has been improved, the administration of

[15:49] boards and commissions remains largely a manual process. Appointment tracking, attendance,

[15:54] monitoring records management and historical research currently rely on multiple spreadsheets,

[16:00] files, emails and paper records. And since recently an attendants history question has been

[16:06] raised, I wanted to very quickly share something that we have been working on that I think will

[16:11] be a massive improvement. Over the past couple of months, I've been working with our IT department

[16:17] to develop a long-term solution that better supports the city's needs. After evaluating

[16:23] available options. We determine that no existing system fully met are requirements.

[16:28] As a result, we're developing a customized SharePoint-based records management system

[16:32] designed specifically for the city's boards and commissions.

[16:37] The system is intended to serve three primary functions. First, it will provide staff

[16:42] liaison with a centralized workspace to record meeting attendance, access member contact information,

[16:48] and maintain board records in a single location, reducing reliance on emails and multiple

[16:53] file locations.

[16:55] Second, it will provide an executive dashboard for the mayor's office, administration,

[17:00] and the legal department, displaying current vacancies, appointments, approaching expiration,

[17:05] members with consecutive absences, and other key information requiring administrative action.

[17:12] The goal is to move from a reactive manual process to one that provides timely information,

[17:19] improves administrative efficiency, and supports more proactive management of the city's boards and commissions.

[17:27] The third function is to create a centralized record for every board and commission.

[17:32] Instead of searching through multiple files, emails, spreadsheets, et cetera,

[17:35] staff will be able to access everything related to a board, a member, or an apartment,

[17:41] an appointment from one location. While the system is still under development, we're currently

[17:46] building the historical database, developing the dashboard and automation tools and exploring

[17:51] opportunities to coordinate records management with the city clerk's office.

[17:59] Up to this point,

[18:00] the administration of the city's boards and commissions has largely been manual relying

[18:04] on institutional knowledge and the transfer of information from one staff member to the next.

[18:09] Without a documented administrative framework, practices are varied over time, resulting in some

[18:15] inconsistencies and record keeping and administrative procedures. To address that, I'm developing

[18:21] a comprehensive, standard operating procedure in collaboration with administration and the legal

[18:25] department. The SOP is based on the city's ordinances applicable policies and the administrative

[18:33] practices established through this project. The goal is to document the current processes,

[18:39] and provide future staff with a reliable road map that can be adapted as the city's needs evolve.

[18:46] Rather than starting from the ground up, future administrations and staff will have a solid foundation to build upon while retaining the flexibility to refine the processes as ACFIT.

[18:56] Ultimately, these improvements are intended to protect the integrity of the appointment process, provide better information for the Council's decision-making,

[19:04] reduce administrative workload and preserve the city's institutional knowledge for years to come.

[19:12] Any questions?

[19:15] Shrikaya?

[19:16] I had your light on. Did you have a question?

[19:18] No, that was for council.

[19:20] Mark, that was for council.

[19:24] Any questions?

[19:25] Mr. Ratchford.

[19:26] Ms. Mills, thanks very much for your presentation.

[19:28] Well done. I think that's definitely on the right path.

[19:31] So thanks for telling us how you're putting that together.

[19:34] Thank you.

[19:37] Thank you.

[19:38] Thank you very much.

[19:38] Thank you.

[19:40] continue my report. At the request of Councilman Chris Kyle, I have scheduled an Eden Village

[19:45] Town Hall at the Founder Yard Center at 6 p.m. on Thursday, August 26. The Councilman

[19:52] wants to present the Eden Village concept to his warred residence and allow them to share

[19:56] their input. Mr. Nage Slider of Eden Village has agreed to again come to St. Charles

[20:01] for the meeting. All Council members are welcome to attend. Next in the spirit of inclusion,

[20:07] And I want to inform the council of my efforts to investigate ADUs, accessory dwelling units.

[20:14] These small independent units are on the same land as a single family home either as units

[20:19] attached to or attached from the main property.

[20:23] The phone, they function independently and have their own kitchen, bathroom, and sleeping

[20:26] areas.

[20:28] Although they are separate units, they are considered part of the larger parcel, meaning

[20:32] they cannot be sold separate of it.

[20:33] This concept has been gaining popularity because it allows for more efficient use of space

[20:38] provides cost-effective housing opportunities to aging parents

[20:42] Care givers are even children returning home. They also address the affordable housing shortages and affordability gaps

[20:49] They can also increase property values and provide alternative income. My research is just started and I intend to add this to the new community services persons purview

[21:01] On another subject I have been approached by our NS1 Irish sister city group about their desire

[21:06] to erect a replica of the ancient cross of Donagh, somewhere in the city.

[21:12] It was mentioned that in conjunction with the Maybomb monument, maybe the sister cities

[21:16] could have a section of front to the park to display the Maybomb, the Donagh cross and

[21:21] a French and eventually Spanish monument, I have mentioned this to Parks Director,

[21:25] merely Britain for further consideration.

[21:29] I'm eating with Boeing again regarding their involvement

[21:31] with the potential Space Museum

[21:32] and Grissam Center moving to St. Charles.

[21:35] They've expressed their interest in shared artifacts,

[21:38] STEM programs, and possible funding.

[21:40] I'm working with staff for museum space

[21:42] and possible layouts.

[21:44] Staff is reaching out to vendor firms

[21:45] to do a feasibility study of the project.

[21:48] There has been considerable media interest

[21:50] and coverage, too.

[21:52] The Steamboat Arabia owners have contacted me

[21:54] reference to their eminent Kansas City Least Termination and St. Charles interest in having the museum here.

[22:00] As you know, I have a keen interest in bringing the museum to St. Charles. The ship's captain, who is the owner, is buried in St. Charles and still has legacy relatives here.

[22:09] I believe the Arabia has a lot of shelf life left and could be a steady tourist revenue contributor.

[22:15] You may question my strong desire to acquire these historical entities to St. Charles. Let me share this.

[22:20] We have gone from three or four festivals over to over 552 per year.

[22:26] They are primarily one to three day events to generate a spike in.

[22:31] I'm interested in fixed tourist attractions. You're on attractions that draw consistent crowds over the course of the year. Attractions that add to our festival revenue, plus the revenue of longer stays. Attractions that draw from a radius of 100 plus miles with the attendant increase in per person revenue of over 500%. It is said that the average date represents about a hundred dollars per person, and the person from over 100 miles that stays longer spent between two years.

[22:59] $200 and $1,000 per person, which is an substantial increase in revenue.

[23:05] These attractions often come with an upfront investment, but have a demonstrated history

[23:09] of long-term rewards.

[23:12] Wordwalks, I provided a date and start scheduled to the council, actual starting locations

[23:17] and routes will be determined by input from residents up to the actual date.

[23:22] Word 1 went well and gave me a close look at elements of the word that I was not familiar

[23:26] with.

[23:26] It was attended by three citizens and ran approximately two miles.

[23:30] Or 10 will be at 8 a.m. on Monday, August 10th, starting in McNair Park,

[23:35] it will be approximately 2.5 miles. Again, all council members are willing to join in.

[23:40] At the suggestion of councilman Google, I will be adding a Council Carter page to the STC now magazine.

[23:46] It will replace the photo information page currently on the outside back of the magazine,

[23:51] which will now be used for event promotion.

[23:52] I'm reviewing the structure and layout with communications director Jamie Null and advise you of that outcome.

[23:58] Thank you.

[23:59] That completes my report.

[24:03] Questions from Mayor?

[24:06] Thank you, Mayor.

[24:08] Announcements from Council members.

[24:15] Mr. Kyle.

[24:16] Yeah, a few things going on and this month at Ward 1, I believe this Saturday is the corn festival,

[24:22] which is at the farmer's market down on North Main Street that evening will have hot summer

[24:28] in French town, noted it will be moved to the further end of French

[24:34] on closer to the roundabout. So if you're looking forward, it's not going to be in the same

[24:37] location, it'll be moved down by our bench racers, which is the Ashweter facility down there.

[24:48] First Friday's is in the Foundry Arts Center is this Friday, and then a Dan Erby

[24:54] spoke of, but we will be having a town hall for Eden Village.

[24:57] All are welcome.

[24:58] This is just a word one thing, but it is being held in

[25:01] Ward 1, and Mayor Dan will be there along with the

[25:05] Eden Village Director, Corrector, to help talk about that.

[25:10] Lastly, we want to thank all of our staff that were involved in

[25:13] supporting our request or plead to create the two-way traffic lane on

[25:18] Second Street.

[25:19] Thank you.

[25:20] I heard from a lot of the community, and the business is down

[25:26] We spoke about it a lot in our staff made that happen so thank you guys for coming

[25:30] through on that.

[25:32] Ms. Mitchell.

[25:34] I just wanted to congratulate Council Member Mark Hollander.

[25:37] He was elected as a director for the St. Charles County Municipal League.

[25:42] And I want to thank you for staffing up and serving.

[25:48] Mr. Faust.

[25:50] Yes, I would like to thank Moda.

[25:52] They did not get a lot of thanks during snow season.

[25:55] and grass season and all that, but I put an email together about a week ago asking them to

[26:03] restripe some bell in case springs overpasses. And within, I think, a couple hours is

[26:09] a supervisor from Striping Mode.Call me and said that there will be on their way ASAP.

[26:15] And that was done within five days. So thank you to Mode. Thank you to our staff, Alenean

[26:21] on them. It makes a huge difference, the safety and everything, and that's the second time

[26:26] MoDOT has came through with one of our requests.

[26:31] The signal lights, they put a shield on it

[26:34] to help that. So that area is going to get safer. And if you see something, reach out

[26:40] to your councilperson, especially if it's not my award, call all your councilpeople. But it

[26:46] makes a difference. So thank you, MoDOT.

[26:50] any other comments? Questions?

[26:55] Okay, on to our public hearing. Public hearings are an opportunity

[26:59] for the City Council to listen to input about a particular topic or item being considered

[27:04] by the Council. It is not a question and answer session and the City Council will not respond

[27:09] to comments or answer questions during this period. A notification will sound when five minutes

[27:14] have a lapse. All persons speaking at a public hearing shall complete the speaker's card in

[27:19] and authority and presented for the City Clerk prior to the scheduled start of the City Council meeting.

[27:25] Mental Clerk.

[27:27] Mr. Hollander? Mr. Ratchford.

[27:29] I'd like to make a motion to bring forward item seven aye.

[27:32] Resoning, case number z-2026-18.

[27:40] Are those all those in favor?

[27:42] All in favor?

[27:44] Motion carries.

[27:46] Okay,

[27:56] so I'm going to go to letter I, case number Z-2026-18, Vax Engineering.

[28:06] This is an application to rezone a 5.85 acres more or less tractive land.

[28:12] Known as 936-940-948, and South Road from C-2 General Business District to be P-D-C

[28:20] Plan Development, Commercial District, the subject property is located in Ward 4, and this

[28:25] referencing Council Bill 1, 4127.

[28:30] Good evening, Mayor.

[28:31] Members of Council.

[28:32] Before we tonight as indicated by the city clerk is a

[28:35] rezoning request for an existing office

[28:37] development.

[28:38] There's some additional vacant ground on this property.

[28:41] The developers looking for some additional flexibility for

[28:43] some new use base.

[28:45] As indicated, there is office warehouse on site currently.

[28:49] They're wishing to construct additional on two additional

[28:51] lots.

[28:52] Additional office warehouse as well as offer a what's called a car condominium

[28:56] So basically if if you have some classic cars or one and you running out of space

[29:00] This is a space that's available to you. It's an interesting concept

[29:04] But before you this is what they're proposing. This is requesting a planned development

[29:08] So they're also as a preliminary development plan. There's a touch showing the layout in the proposal

[29:12] This did go to the planning and zoning commission at these Alight 13th planning and zoning meeting

[29:18] where the applicant spoke, and there was one speaker from the public who had some general questions on stormwater.

[29:24] Ultimately, the Commission did forward a recommendation of approval on this item, unanimously, eight in favour of zero opposed, and with a couple of attach conditions.

[29:32] With that, I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have, and I believe the applicant is here as well.

[29:38] Questions for staff?

[29:43] Seeing none, we have any speaker cards?

[29:46] Not on this item.

[29:52] I make a motion to approve.

[29:54] Thank you.

[30:00] Public hearing, and received the staff report to have the appropriate legislation presented for consult consideration.

[30:06] Second.

[30:09] Rol call, Justin Faust.

[30:11] Aye.

[30:11] Michael Galba.

[30:12] Aye.

[30:12] Brian Gould.

[30:13] Mark Hollander.

[30:14] Aye.

[30:16] Steve Hollander.

[30:17] Aye.

[30:17] Chris Kyle.

[30:18] Aye.

[30:18] Denise Mitchell.

[30:19] Vince Ratchford.

[30:21] And Tom Bruning.

[30:22] Okay, that passes.

[30:25] We'll motivate back up to the front of the line.

[30:27] Okay, this is public hearing seven A, case number C U, 2026-12 for Tiffany Ruby, truth be told tattoos and cosmetics.

[30:36] This application has actually been withdrawn and no consul actions required on this item.

[30:41] There is no cards on that as well.

[30:43] Moving forward to case number C U, 2026-15, the B Gardens Center LLC, Greg Stenson, an application for a conditional use permit per section 400.480.

[30:55] for a temporary retail sales use for seasonal garden produce and food trucks within the

[31:01] C--1 neighborhood business district located at 749 South Dushan Drive. The subject

[31:07] property is located in Ward 9 and there was an RCA attached.

[31:12] This is a fixture of the city of St. Charles the B garden facility there on Dushan across

[31:16] some of the old schnooks. The applicant had purchased the property a number of years ago and

[31:21] are looking to make an expansion on their project

[31:23] in addition to their seasonal sales that they offer.

[31:27] They're looking to also introduce a couple of food trucks.

[31:30] They're on their location to accommodate some of their customers.

[31:34] Staffed it had some concerns of this going through the process.

[31:36] However, we are able to work through some of those details,

[31:39] and we have, you'll see a number of conditions,

[31:42] probably a little more than we usually do have.

[31:44] But we feel with those conditions that this use could operate

[31:47] in conformance, not cause any issues.

[31:49] But I would like to point out, a particular one condition you're not used to seeing.

[31:53] We have a request or at least a staff in the planning and zoning commission recommended that this be a year approval.

[32:00] To kind of evaluate and make sure there's no traffic issues or any other issues with the neighborhood.

[32:05] If everything goes okay, they can come back and reapply through the same process as before.

[32:09] And ask for an extension or for a much longer time period like our typical conditional uses which run with the land.

[32:15] With that, the P&C Commission did considers that their July planning meeting, the applicant

[32:21] did speak.

[32:21] There were no speakers from the public on this item, and a recommendation of a

[32:26] favorable recommendation was forwarded by the Planning and Zoning Commission, seven in favor,

[32:30] one opposed.

[32:31] I'd be happy to answer any questions that the council may have.

[32:35] Mr. Habeshru.

[32:37] John, John, is these food trucks with this being all year round?

[32:43] It is, I believe it is, partially all year round, there are a number of conditions, let me make sure I've got those correct.

[32:50] There are time limited, it was sunset or basically sun up the sunset, it was the timetable, they didn't want them in the evenings.

[32:59] As far as the season alley on it, I have to double check my notes real quick.

[33:05] June 2 November, thank you, I know I had read that.

[33:10] Good clarification.

[33:11] So

[33:15] you, the applicant,

[33:24] can you come up and speak to it

[33:32] first of all?

[33:33] I want to, I want to come in you.

[33:35] I want a great job you do over there, especially,

[33:38] you know, with the seasonal B center.

[33:41] Thank you very much.

[33:42] I think it's pretty excited.

[33:45] I just, you know, I think there's some concern about,

[33:48] you know, how much traffic is going to be there.

[33:50] Right.

[33:51] And the hours that you're, you're...

[33:53] Yeah.

[33:54] It's something we thought about.

[33:55] I mean, Nicole and I've been running it now.

[33:57] It's been 10 years, and we've never really taken into consideration anything like this.

[34:02] You know, Tammy, who might speak after myself here, you know, is one of the folks that

[34:07] came up who shops with us and kind of said, hey, I do this thing, you know, I'd be interested

[34:11] in using your property, and I was like, maybe, you know, we'll talk about it later, and

[34:16] this is kind of the year we kind of started with it, but the business has grown a little bit,

[34:20] quite a bit, but like we bring 20,000 people on the property in those two months that

[34:26] operate every year and like with our industry it's just so weird it's kind of like fireworks or

[34:30] Christmas trees where it's like 80% of all of the garden sales are done in like eight weeks.

[34:36] So there's not a whole lot of meat left on the bone outside of that so for Nicole and I is like

[34:40] you know our quality of life which he was not to sit out in the heat and just kind of do nothing

[34:45] to it or thumbs. So we've always kind of taken some time to think through like what could be a lightweight

[34:50] thing that could use that space at a little life to the neighborhood. We've never like put anything

[34:56] forward, you know, we kind of waited to see if anybody would come to us with produce stands

[34:59] that used to be there with Falkaro's or something different, but that never came, but

[35:04] someone like Tammy and a few other folks have approached us looking to see if they could use

[35:08] this space for something that they do. And they're existing business owners in the neighborhood too,

[35:13] so they kind of know what they're doing, but I'll let her kind of answer to some of those questions

[35:17] about her own business. Well, thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you, guys.

[35:24] Mayor Board, Mayor.

[35:26] Thank you.

[35:27] I was the dissenting vote at P&Z on the food trucks, and I have no objection to this

[35:34] gentleman's proposal and being passed on that.

[35:37] But what I want to caution the council on is, I have a very active economic development

[35:41] department that is out trying to bring restaurants and other businesses as a thing

[35:45] Charles.

[35:46] It's pretty difficult to talk somebody into spending a million dollars on a building to open

[35:50] restaurant and man it with the kind of staffs they have to. If there's a food truck next door

[35:55] and I'm seeing this type of business proliferate to the point where it has become somewhat of a

[36:01] concern. I mean like I said I can't get somebody to do bricks and mortar and then have food trucks

[36:07] all around them. So I just hope you consider that in your future considerations of food trucks. Thank you.

[36:16] Any further questions?

[36:19] Any speaker cards? I do have one speaker card for Tammy Bota. She's here

[36:22] representing Deeter's frozen custard and speaking in favor of this application?

[36:29] Hi there. My name is Tammy Boda. I'm super excited for the opportunity to possibly have

[36:36] a food truck over there. We did have a brick and mortar business for several years and the

[36:43] landlord was ready to sell the building and all tenants had to leave. So that was a bummer.

[36:49] we took some time to think about maybe going to a different brick and mortar, something like

[36:54] that, nothing quite fit, and then after talking to Greg and getting a food truck, I would

[37:01] love to have it. I mean, it's within five minutes for my home. We've been shopping at the B for

[37:06] years and years, so it feels like home already, so it would be super exciting to serve the community

[37:14] in a way, like so much closer to home, but also in a way that maybe is kind of missing right now,

[37:20] since that's an empty lot for so much of the year, and Frozen Custard is the thing that I do,

[37:27] so I would hope it would fill a good little...

[37:30] Gap that's there, and that we could pick right up where the Beagarden Center leaves off. And when some are kicks off, we jump in. Thanks.

[37:41] Thank you very much.

[37:45] No further speaker cards on this item?

[37:47] Okay, Mr. Habeshram.

[37:50] I moved to conclude hearing and a public hearing and improved the conditional use within conditions, allow bind staff, on my outline by staff.

[37:58] Second.

[37:59] Okay, roll call, Michael Galba, Brian Gold, Bart Haverstrom, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris

[38:08] Kyle, Denise Mitchell, Vince Ratchford, Tom Brooney, Justin Vows, that passes.

[38:17] Next up is case number CU-2026-18, Good Day Farm, Reagan Ethridge, an application for

[38:25] As you will use permit, per section 400.2300C1A, for in vehicle sales slash service, a marijuana

[38:34] dispensary drive through within the C--3 highway business district, located at 301 Little

[38:40] Hills Expressway. The subject properties located in Ward 1 and there was an RCA attached.

[38:46] Council may remember, in May of this year, that you guys had approved an ordinance to allow

[38:55] call from some of the past meetings, any drive-through use within the city of Saint

[39:00] Charles also has to have a conditional use for guardless of the use.

[39:03] So before you tonight, based on that ordinance change by this council, you have an existing

[39:08] entity good day farms located up there at Little Hills, the old dairy queen location, who

[39:13] is looking to utilize the drive-through facility for their business.

[39:18] This application did go through the planning and zone of commission at the July meeting.

[39:21] The applicant spoke on behalf. There weren't no public speakers on this item in this item was forwarded to you with a favorable recommendation unanimously

[39:28] 8 in favor zero post. I'd be happy to answer any questions questions for staff

[39:38] Seeing none you speak her cards map. No, sir

[39:42] Mr. Kyle

[39:44] I moved to conclude the public hearing and approved the conditional use with the conditions as outlined by staff

[39:49] Second,

[39:53] roll call, Brian Gold.

[39:55] Mark Haberstrow, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, Denise Mitchell, Tom

[40:02] Brunning, Justin Faust, Michael Galba, that one passes.

[40:10] Next is case number CU-2026-19, Octaveo, Rua's excuse me, El Hushashi LLC, an application

[40:20] for a Conditional Use Permit, Persection 400.220C1A, for liquor sales associated with a meeting

[40:27] facility within the C-Dash2-WHP, General Business District, and within the well-head

[40:33] protection district, located at 3823 Amstreet, the subject properties located in Ward 7,

[40:39] and there was a RCA attached.

[40:42] Hello, Gave is an existing business that has changed locations.

[40:45] Some of you may or may not be aware that they're at a new standalone facility that you

[40:50] in the Strip Center just next door.

[40:52] They've retained rights to that Strip Center location that that was their previous location

[40:57] where they would like to have meeting facility for events, birthday parties.

[41:02] This is a conditionally used within the city of St. Charles, and it does require this approval.

[41:08] So she with that, the planning and zoning commission did hear this at their July meeting.

[41:11] There were no speakers from the public on this, and this also received a unanimous approval

[41:15] forwarded to this council from the P&Z Commission,

[41:18] eight favored zero post.

[41:20] I'd be happy to answer any questions.

[41:22] Questions for staff?

[41:26] Mr. Goul.

[41:27] I just really quickly before we move on it,

[41:31] they have a like liquor license.

[41:32] This is conditional use, not liquor license.

[41:34] That's correct.

[41:34] They actually have a liquor license for their new facility

[41:37] and they retain their liquor license

[41:38] for their pass location,

[41:40] which is subject property for this item.

[41:46] Any speaker cards?

[41:47] No speaker cards.

[41:48] Mr. Goul?

[41:49] I move to conclude the public hearing and approve the conditional use with the conditions

[41:53] as outlined by today.

[41:54] Second.

[41:56] Roll call, Bart Haber Stroke.

[41:58] Mark Hollander.

[41:59] Hi.

[41:59] Steve Hollander.

[42:01] Chris Kyle.

[42:02] Hi.

[42:02] Denise Mitchell.

[42:03] Thanks.

[42:04] Tim Browning.

[42:06] Justin Faust.

[42:08] Michael Galba.

[42:09] Brian Gold.

[42:10] Okay.

[42:10] That passes.

[42:14] Ace number Z.

[42:15] 2026-10.

[42:16] Fox investors LLC.

[42:18] I'll note that this application was withdrawn.

[42:20] there's no council action required on this item tonight.

[42:23] Following that is case number z-2026-17-10 for Haney, an application to annex and establish

[42:30] the zoning for 0.35 acres more or less, located at 1020 metal lane from St. Charles County

[42:37] R1E single family residents to the city of St. Charles R-1E single family residential district,

[42:44] the subject properties located on the east side of metal lane in south of veterans memorial

[42:48] Parkway. The subject property will be located in Ward 6 upon annexation and references Council

[42:53] bill 1418. As indicated, this is an annexation request also with the establishment of

[43:00] a zoning. We're bringing in worth the same like zoning that the county had for this property,

[43:05] which is single family R1E, the intent of this property owners to access utilities by the city

[43:10] the same Charles. This did get you by the Planning and his own commission. It received a unanimous

[43:16] in favor of recommendation, eight in favor, zero post. I'd be happy to answer any questions.

[43:22] Questions for staff?

[43:25] Seeing none. Any speaker cards, ma'am?

[43:28] I have no speaker cards. Mr. Faust.

[43:32] Oh, what's one of my done?

[43:33] Conditioning use.

[43:36] I moved to conclude the public hearing and prove the conditional use with the

[43:39] conditions outlined by a staff. That's that one. What? Not that one.

[43:42] which one?

[43:42] The Resonemite.

[43:43] I move to conclude the public hearing to receive the staff report and to have the appropriate

[43:46] legislation presented for council consideration.

[43:49] Second.

[43:49] Thank you.

[43:50] That's all right.

[43:51] Roll call, Mark Hollander.

[43:53] Steve Hollander.

[43:54] Aye.

[43:54] Chris Kyle.

[43:55] Denise Mitchell.

[43:56] Aye.

[43:57] Vince Ratchford.

[43:57] Aye.

[43:58] Tom Brooding.

[43:59] Justin Faust.

[44:01] Michael Galba.

[44:02] Brian Gould.

[44:02] Aye.

[44:03] Bart Haberstrow.

[44:04] That one passes.

[44:09] Next is case number Z-2026-11JSS land development LLC.

[44:15] I will note, and Mr. Boyer can further embellish on this, but it's my understanding

[44:20] this application was withdrawn today.

[44:24] That is correct.

[44:25] We received requests from their illegal representative that they wish to withdraw this application.

[44:30] Their intent is to take note of comments that they received from the Planning and

[44:36] on a commission also, the residents and there may be an application in the future, but in

[44:40] that's the case, they'll have to start back over public hearing process through the planning

[44:44] and zoning commission, submit to our public hearing standards, and eventually end up

[44:48] here at City Council, if and when that does happen, but at this point, this application

[44:51] has been withdrawn, and it's the same for the next, but I'll let the clerk.

[44:58] Do we move on to speaker cars?

[45:00] And then, as well, since the application was withdrawn.

[45:03] Yes, but I don't have any speaker cards on that item.

[45:19] There's that big deal.

[45:32] All right, sorry about that.

[45:35] So we are on G, case number Z-2026-11 that was as Mr. Boyer indicated with drawn today.

[45:42] And I don't have any speaker cards on that one.

[45:48] No council action.

[45:50] Go ahead and read the next one.

[45:51] Okay. So then we'll move on to H.

[45:53] This is case number Z-2026-12, JSS land development LLC.

[45:58] Again, this application was withdrawn today.

[46:00] No console action is required.

[46:06] OK, no speaker cards on that as well.

[46:10] However, what?

[46:21] So because that application was withdrawn, there's no public hearing,

[46:24] so we won't have speaker cards on that one.

[46:29] Correct.

[46:32] However, as you might have noticed, I had a very large speaker stack

[46:36] of cards for one of the other items on the public hearing and there was a public speaker card

[46:41] included in there that should have been called under public comment. So if it's okay

[46:45] with you right now I'd like to go back and call that person for a public comment. Please.

[46:50] And that is Alvin A. Reed and he's here speaking relative to the space museum in

[46:55] Grison Center.

[46:58] Good evening. I'm Alvin Reed, resident of Kirkwood, Missouri and you may be wondering

[47:03] Why am I here? Well, I'm a space kid and I grew up watching the space program and I was

[47:11] riveted to it and to this day I still have a dream that maybe one day too I will get to

[47:17] go up in space. Well I've always noted this and I've said this I'm on a television program called

[47:22] Dining Brook that comes on a channel 9 and that's not very important but behind me on the mantle

[47:26] is a friendship 7 spaceship and I bought that and I put it on that mantle because it's always been

[47:33] part of my life, but St. Louis's then forgotten its recognition for its importance to the space

[47:38] program in part because St. Louis has never sought recognition for its importance to the space

[47:45] program. And any time you see a kind of a black and white film of Mercury or the early days of

[47:52] Apollo, St. Louis is very involved in that. And we just haven't reached out and graphs the opportunity

[47:57] and take an advantage of it. I remember the night that Gus Grisson was killed, an

[48:02] Ed White and Roger Chaffey. I remember watching the news late into the evening on

[48:07] that. And in my six-year-old heart, I really did think, don't stop. Well, they didn't

[48:13] stop. And one small step for man and one giant lead for mankind later, Neil Armstrong

[48:19] was walking on the moon, and I watched it, and I watched every second of it. So every

[48:24] opportunity I have to share with young people, and some of you all weren't alive when the

[48:28] ill-armed stock walked on the move, but the mayor was, and I was, and this opportunity

[48:33] is one, I think you guys should really grasp and take advantage of, because you may ask,

[48:38] who's going to come to see it? Well, that kid from Kirkwood who's like me is going to come

[48:43] to see it, and who's going to appreciate it? Well, those of us that are dreams and our

[48:48] aspirations weren't really tied to the space program, but I can't do spirit that is a company

[48:53] me through my life is part of that too. The will to do things, start it when John Kennedy

[49:00] said, let's put a man on the moon. We put it a man on the moon. I've always thought,

[49:04] well, first thing I do is decide you're going to do it. And I think if you decide to do

[49:08] this, it will pay off for the city of St. Charles. Well, I'm not arrested in the St. Charles,

[49:13] my daughter is. My daughter has a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering and a master's

[49:18] degree in electrical engineering from the University of Missouri. She was hired by Boeing in

[49:23] spring. And she works on sensitive fighter jet material and I'm very proud of her, but really

[49:29] inside my legacy is that I'm really proud that she is now part of the company that was part

[49:36] of the company that was part of the space program and put a man on the moon. We could put a man

[49:43] in the moon, let's put this space museum here in St. Charles, and I for one will come visit it.

[49:49] Thank you very much for your time to see me.

[49:52] Thank you, Mr. Reed.

[49:54] Make sure you give me your contact information before you leave.

[50:06] Madam Clerk.

[50:07] Yes, sir.

[50:08] Thank you for your patience with me tonight and all of these speaker cards.

[50:13] I have found and going through the stack of cards that there were a couple of cards for public hearing items that you all have already addressed and closed the public hearing on.

[50:22] So the small Joshua will go ahead and explain that process, but we're going to have to open back up those public hearings and then call these folks up that they wish to speak.

[50:32] I think basically explained it. I think that's okay. That was perfect.

[50:36] I think if you want to reopen the public hearing, we can allow those folks to speak if the conclusion that changes your mind on the decision that you made,

[50:44] then we can do a motion to reconsider that and go down that road at that time.

[50:51] Okay, so with that, I would entertain a motion to open up the backup, the hearing on

[50:58] case number C, 2026-18 for good day farm, Reagan-Ethridge.

[51:05] So moved to Reagan?

[51:06] Sorry.

[51:07] I guess even first, we may want to ask if that person is still here and still wishes to speak.

[51:11] Reagan-Ethridge, the applicant?

[51:15] Say no.

[51:16] You can say no.

[51:17] I don't know, I don't know what you're going to say no.

[51:22] Should have thought of that first.

[51:27] I'll withdraw that motion.

[51:28] I made speaking over someone a moment ago.

[51:31] Next, John Rennfro.

[51:34] Would you like to still speak on your items, sir?

[51:37] Sure.

[51:37] Okay.

[51:38] So with that, Mr. Rennfro was here to speak on seven F,

[51:42] which is case number Z-2026-17.

[51:46] And that was the application to annex and establish the zoning

[51:49] for the 0.35 acres, a 10-20-metall lane, so I need a motion to open that up again.

[51:59] One second, hold on one second, sir.

[52:02] Sir, a motion to reopen that public hearing.

[52:04] And second.

[52:06] Okay, time and second.

[52:08] Second.

[52:08] A Mark Collinger.

[52:09] Thank you very much.

[52:10] So that public hearing is open again.

[52:12] And I have Mr. John Renfrow here to speak well with you to that, Kim.

[52:16] I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm okay. Take a vote on that. Thank you.

[52:26] Steve Hollander. Chris Kyle. Denise Mitchell.

[52:32] Thank you.

[52:33] Thank you.

[52:33] Michael Galba, Brian Gold, board, Haber Stro, Mark Hollander, that passes.

[52:39] So that's back open.

[52:41] And Mr. Renfero, I promise you this time, you can start to speak.

[52:44] Okay.

[52:45] Okay.

[52:45] Thank you.

[52:48] My name is John Renfero.

[52:51] I live in Ward 4 and I've been a proud resident of St. Charles since 2005.

[52:57] I work as for the Department of Natural Resources at the first Missouri State Capital State

[53:03] Historic Site, which I think you all should visit sometime and I'll give you a real good

[53:09] tour.

[53:12] I really am very concerned about the development at the corner of Hamaset and Reno Parkway, as

[53:22] as the traffic, I'm really happy to see the new lights there at the corner of Hamzaath

[53:30] at Arena Parkway. But I think my chief concern is that there might be some gridlock, especially

[53:37] during rush hour, because there's another traffic light, not more than a hundred yards away.

[53:46] And I feel like this is going to block access from Hamzaath to Arena Parkway.

[53:52] which is already difficult, and I consider it a little bit of a traffic hazard because people

[54:01] really come flying around the band, they're on a renal parkway, and when they encounter

[54:10] that traffic, I worry for the safety of the people driving at that point in time.

[54:21] Thank you all for this opportunity to speak.

[54:25] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[54:29] It's been a great pleasure living in St. Charles for the last 25 years.

[54:34] And I plan on it to stay that way.

[54:38] Thank you very much.

[54:40] Thank you, Mr. Murren Fro.

[54:42] Okay, and with that, I'd like to get a clarification from the speaker on the card that they filled out.

[54:47] So I could make sure we're calling them up under the proper portion of our agenda.

[54:51] But is Krill Brown here?

[54:54] I'm sorry.

[54:55] Is this for the same item?

[54:56] I'm sorry.

[54:58] All right.

[54:58] We need to go ahead and re-close this public hearing.

[55:02] Sorry, Holly.

[55:03] You're good.

[55:05] Motion to close this one.

[55:07] Four.

[55:07] If I need to re-read.

[55:09] Okay.

[55:10] I'll get this one right.

[55:11] I think.

[55:11] I moved to conclude the public hearing

[55:12] to receive the staff report

[55:13] and I have the appropriate legislation

[55:14] presented for council consideration.

[55:17] Second?

[55:18] Okay.

[55:20] All right.

[55:20] Chris Kyle, Denise Mitchell, Vince Ratchford, Tom Brooney, Justin Faust, Michael Galba,

[55:28] Brian Gould, Mark Haberstrow, Mark Hollander, and Steve Hollander.

[55:33] So seven of us are finished, Krill Brown.

[55:38] Sir, are you here to speak?

[55:39] You said on Council Bill 1222, 1-4122, that's the annexation, and then also the other

[55:47] to rezoning. Are you wanting to speak on that relative during the public hearing

[55:52] comment? Or did you intend for that to be during the public comment portion of the agenda?

[55:58] This one? Okay, so we're good for now. I just wanted to make sure I was clear on where he would

[56:03] like to speak on those items. So we are done with F, G was withdrawn, H was withdrawn, we did I already.

[56:10] So, now we're moving along to case number Z-2026-19, back's engineering.

[56:17] I will note that this application was tabled at the July 13th, 2026 P&Z Commission meeting

[56:23] until the August 10th, 2026 P&Z Commission meeting.

[56:28] I just need a motion to hold the public hearing on case number Z-2026-19 open

[56:33] until the August 18th, 2026 regular city council meeting.

[56:41] What's one of those?

[56:43] Some of them.

[56:44] That guy.

[56:47] Roll called Denise Mitchell.

[56:49] I've been scratched for Tom Brooening.

[56:51] Justin Faust.

[56:52] Michael Galba.

[56:54] Brian Gold.

[56:55] Bart Haberstrow.

[56:56] Mark Hollander.

[56:58] Steve Hollander.

[56:59] And Chris Kyle.

[57:00] Okay.

[57:05] Next is no speaker cards on that.

[57:08] What was the one that last person said they wanted to

[57:18] The next one is case number Z, 2026-13, Mike Bercart, B.E. Design Management.

[57:25] This application was also tabled at the July 13th, 2026 P&Z Commission meeting until the

[57:30] August 10th, 2026 P&Z Commission meeting.

[57:33] I entertain a motion to hold the public hearing open.

[57:36] On case number Z, 2026-13.

[57:38] open until the August 18th, 2026 regular city council meeting.

[57:45] Mr. Beerning, I'm moved to table.

[57:49] That fence?

[57:50] No, there's an Mr. Beerning.

[57:53] Okay. We're good.

[57:55] This is the hold at open, no, right?

[57:57] So hold it open until the August 18th regular city council meeting.

[58:01] Sir, second.

[58:03] I'll second.

[58:03] Thank you, Denise.

[58:04] The roll call is Vince Ratchford, Tom Bruning, Justin Fowse, Michael Galba, Brian Goulds,

[58:12] Bart Haberstrow, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, and Denise Mitchell.

[58:19] Okay, next is case number Z-2026-14, Larson Development LLC.

[58:27] This is an application for the annexation and establishment of zoning of an overall 5.7-acre

[58:32] For a less tract of land, located at 1704 Mughi Road from county R1E, single family residential

[58:40] district to city R-1E, single family residential district.

[58:45] The subject property will be located in ward 5 upon annexation and references, council

[58:50] bill 1-4-1-2-3.

[58:53] There are a number of applications for you tonight concerning this development.

[58:56] This is the first of three public hearings and there are four bills for introduction associated

[59:01] this application. The first one before each night is associated with the annexation of a portion

[59:07] of this development, the 5.73 acres in the establishment of its zoning. Currently, this property

[59:12] is owned R1E in St. Charles County. The adjacent property that is within the city of St. Charles

[59:18] is owned R-1E, it's the same zoning essentially, just difference between county and city. This

[59:26] this item alone is just going to handle the establishment of zoning as I said, there's a

[59:30] additional applications after this, we'll talk about those specifically under those public hearing

[59:34] items.

[59:35] But this specific item for annexation and the establishment to R1E, for this portion of the property,

[59:41] went to the Planning and Zoning Commission at the July meeting.

[59:45] The applicant did speak.

[59:46] There were nine total speakers on this item, with general concerns concerning stormwater,

[59:51] traffic, trees, and the overall or the end rental use of the overall project.

[59:57] There was also six letters that were attached.

[59:59] Thanks for watching.

[1:00:00] Members' seat, there's also included in your packet before Council tonight. Ultimately, the application was forwarded with a recommendation of approval from the Planning and Zoning Commission, six in favor, one opposed and one abstained. Again, this is just the first item of this development. For establishing and rezoning of annexation, I'd be happy to answer questions.

[1:00:20] Questions for staff?

[1:00:25] Seeing none? OK. I do have speaker cards tonight.

[1:00:28] place. Mr. Where if I can ask for your assistance. I have Speaker Bill Norton, but he needs

[1:00:33] a handheld mic. He cannot make it up to the podium. So, this is Bill Norton. He's

[1:00:37] here speaking relative to this application and this council bill.

[1:00:41] It's going right. Oh, we got it. She's got thanks for joining me. Okay. Very good.

[1:00:47] You can start, sir. Whenever you're ready. Thank you. My name is Bill Norton, and I'm 25

[1:00:53] of your resident of St. Charles as well. I live in Ward 5, and I'm on the north side of

[1:00:59] this property. So, hence, my concern. So, and I say it's appropriate that this

[1:01:04] public hearing is on election day here in St. Charles County. That election that has spurred

[1:01:09] a new six-month moratorium on new apartment construction and unincarparated areas of the

[1:01:15] county. Clearly, taxes crime and new apartments are the big three-focus areas today. And

[1:01:21] Dr. Pose attacks as taxpayers, mostly single family homeowners, are tired of more density

[1:01:28] and more development.

[1:01:29] We didn't move from St. Louis County 25 years ago, just to watch St. Charles and St. Charles

[1:01:36] County be turned into another St. Louis County.

[1:01:40] We don't want to change the dynamics of where we live.

[1:01:43] Schools are becoming more congested.

[1:01:46] aging infrastructure is over-stressed, and the immediately road traffic is already ridiculous.

[1:01:55] It's dangerous, and it's overcrowded.

[1:01:58] A recent study that I read showed that a spike to 41 percent of new residential construction

[1:02:05] in St. Charles County were rental apartments.

[1:02:09] Now it's a given that this proposed luxury rental townhouse development

[1:02:15] is much nicer than your average apartment complex, but it is still very much out of place

[1:02:23] in this mostly single family owned subdivision area of St. Charles. It would be much better

[1:02:31] place and a more suitable location. I respectfully propose that council members take into under

[1:02:41] advisement, the concerns of the constituents here and not the developers, and consider passing

[1:02:49] a moratorium on new apartments construction in the city of St. Charles as soon as possible.

[1:02:56] Let's put the long-term homeowners and constituents concerns first again. And thank you for

[1:03:03] your consideration.

[1:03:05] Thank you, sir.

[1:03:09] Okay.

[1:03:10] Our next speaker is Crill Brown from 1710 Muggy Road,

[1:03:14] and here's speaking relative to this application.

[1:03:23] In Mayor and Council.

[1:03:25] My name is Crill Brown.

[1:03:27] I live at 1710 and 1712 Muggy Road.

[1:03:33] I bought this property in 1974.

[1:03:38] I carved out three acres from a farm.

[1:03:41] my dream. At the time, Mughi Road was a two-lane asphalt road with grass ditches, not even

[1:03:51] ditches, the grass ditches. I have watched Greystone develop in stages to approximately

[1:04:00] 389 homes, then St. Charles crossing up by the gas station, and it was approximately 61 homes.

[1:04:11] Spring mills, next with development, using about 100 acres with 147 homes, followed by 2 one-way street villas on either side of the property, adding approximately 40 homes.

[1:04:27] Totally and approximately 587 homes within the proximity of the property that you're considering.

[1:04:37] These are all changes just very close to the property.

[1:04:41] Compared to the aforementioned number of homes, an addition of 50 homes is like a drop in the bucket to add to what is already been developed.

[1:04:51] It would about a tenth.

[1:04:55] Whether you watch your home fresh built,

[1:04:58] or you are the third, fourth, third,

[1:05:01] whatever owner of that home,

[1:05:04] your house has contributed to the loss of a green space

[1:05:08] and added to the traffic on a newbie road.

[1:05:12] I'm sure you're glad that it's there though.

[1:05:15] I'm glad that I'm there.

[1:05:18] Grace don't mill spring mill and Grace don't may say that they have a considering the traffic port portion

[1:05:25] They may say that they have a light

[1:05:28] allowing them to get on the movie road

[1:05:32] A light is yes, but once you make that left a right turn on movie road

[1:05:37] You are part of the traffic just like everyone else along movie road

[1:05:42] You've added years to it. I

[1:05:45] Like the thanks console

[1:05:47] for listening to me, the mayor, for listening to me and knows that are here in attendance.

[1:05:52] Thank you very much.

[1:05:54] Thank you, Mr. Currell.

[1:05:57] Okay. Next up is Mike Simmer, and he is also here speaking relative to Larson Development.

[1:06:08] Thank you.

[1:06:09] I've got some prepared comments. I actually sent a letter to Mayor Dan and Councilman Mitchell in July 6.

[1:06:15] I like to read that to the council, because I think it has some merit to this situation.

[1:06:19] Again, my name is Mike Seamer, I reside in my wife and I reside in Springnil, a community

[1:06:25] across from the proposed Larson for eight acre development on Miki Road.

[1:06:31] I've reviewed the proposed development, and I'm strongly opposed to such development.

[1:06:35] The density is far too high for a community, and as a proposed rental community is likely to deteriorate over time.

[1:06:43] My company is an owner developer of 10,000 apartment units all over the country and I have

[1:06:50] great experience in this area.

[1:06:53] As primarily a single family community, our strength comes from ownership and care about

[1:07:00] an individual's property.

[1:07:03] Additionally, traffic on Migi Road is already very congested during the rush hour and

[1:07:08] safety and of ingress and egress is very questionable. I've read the traffic

[1:07:14] studies that contradict this position but I live here and I witness this

[1:07:20] the congestion, the speed and the accidents. Furthermore, the density of the

[1:07:26] the most community for the burden of the school system.

[1:07:29] I just

[1:07:30] It's recently learned that the average cost to educate a child in our committee is $17,000 per student.

[1:07:36] Well above the implicit real estate tax paid on a unit. This project is beyond the bounds of

[1:07:44] bonus. I find no benefit for the folks who live here. My question for your consideration,

[1:07:52] who benefits? Larsen will likely develop, stabilize the community, sell and exit.

[1:08:01] The sellers will likely achieve the maximum price for their property. The folks who live here

[1:08:08] Let's call this what this is, a profit maximization strategy for the landowners and developers.

[1:08:17] The local folks suffer the consequences.

[1:08:21] This project, as proposed, does not play out well for the mayor's office, are the council.

[1:08:28] The neighboring communities are greatly opposed, as well as the numerous neighbors that I personally discussed this issue with.

[1:08:35] There are no conditions for ongoing maintenance of the rental community, post-development.

[1:08:41] As a developer, I'm supportive of growth, I've built all over the country, billions of

[1:08:47] dollars.

[1:08:48] I know what I'm doing, I know what this looks like, I know what the impact is going

[1:08:52] to be for a community.

[1:08:55] This eight acre partial should be made available to a developer with the intention to build

[1:09:00] single family homes.

[1:09:02] Our town homes are reasonable density, support the long-term viability of the community and to keep

[1:09:09] our Saint-Charles strong with ownership and care for our community.

[1:09:14] Thank you.

[1:09:15] Thank you.

[1:09:19] Next up is, next up is John Black and he's a homeowner in Bogey Hills and he's here

[1:09:24] speaking against the Larson applications.

[1:09:33] My name is John Black and in the last several weeks I've done a lot of research on

[1:09:40] and Larson development group, and they actually have very good reviews across the country.

[1:09:49] That being said, this project is going to contribute traffic, traffic on Mugie Road with

[1:09:58] no stoplight there, because the graystone stoplight is 60, 70 yards down the hill.

[1:10:06] So, what Larsen development does, and if you look up their web page, they build single family rental homes,

[1:10:16] communities typically two to 300 units, they, it says, we build, lease up, stabilize, and sell off to REITs, real estate investment trust.

[1:10:31] Another page on them, which just says, we build, lease up, stabilize, and sell off to

[1:10:39] REITs.

[1:10:41] So, no matter how good they are, whoever the REIT that comes in may not enforce all of

[1:10:48] the same things that Grarson wants to do, but 50 homes with two car garages, 100 cars, and it's

[1:10:59] probably going to be a couple of people far more living in these because $4,000 a month

[1:11:07] rent is quite a bit for one person. Also, I've heard conflicting reports about whether

[1:11:14] there's parking on the streets. I've been told there's no parking on the streets. I've

[1:11:20] told there's parking on the streets. Either way, when holidays come around, that is going

[1:11:26] to be an absolute mess, Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, when people come to visit these people.

[1:11:36] That the parking in there will be awful, they'll be parking in the other neighborhoods

[1:11:42] because they're just as not room in this development for any parking.

[1:11:49] I haven't heard from any people that live in the area that are appreciative of this project

[1:11:59] and what it can do for St. Charles.

[1:12:02] Like Mike Seer said, it is going to be a mess.

[1:12:09] And if we, the people, are to be heard from this committee, you've got to put this down

[1:12:18] and have something reasonable.

[1:12:20] It's just too many cars pulling out with no stoplight.

[1:12:26] Thank you for your time.

[1:12:28] Thank you, Mr. Black.

[1:12:33] Speaker is Ted Glosher,

[1:12:35] and he's here speaking against the Larson Development.

[1:12:49] Good and repetitive, so I'll try to keep it short.

[1:12:53] My name's Ted Glosher.

[1:12:54] I'm here representing my two daughters,

[1:12:57] their families that built their dream homes at 1723

[1:13:00] and 1733, Maggie Road.

[1:13:05] Like many residents in this surrounding neighbor,

[1:13:08] hers were strongly opposed to this proposed development.

[1:13:12] Traffic on Maggie Road has already exceeded what anyone could have ever anticipated,

[1:13:17] speeding congestion and safety concerns have been serious issues for the families living

[1:13:22] along that corridor.

[1:13:25] I respectfully ask that you do not make these problems worse by approving

[1:13:29] of the development that will place even more vehicles on an already overburden roadway.

[1:13:36] This proposal is not compatible with the existing Lose-Incity character of this surrounding

[1:13:42] neighborhoods.

[1:13:43] You are not obligated to approve this type of a development simply because it's been proposed.

[1:13:49] You have the authority to deny it, and your constituents have spoken with overwhelming opposition.

[1:13:56] We're also concerned about adding more rental housing to the area.

[1:14:01] While many renters or good neighbors, rental properties generally do not foster the same

[1:14:07] long-term investment and pride of ownership that owner occupied homes provide, which is important

[1:14:14] and maintaining the care and stability of our community.

[1:14:18] I ask that you represent the will of the residents who elected you and vote to deny this

[1:14:24] education. Thank you.

[1:14:33] Next up is Jean Moodry, and she is here representing herself and would like to speak in favor of the Larson development.

[1:14:42] Hello, my name is Jean.

[1:14:43] I did submit this letter to the St. Charles Planning Division.

[1:14:49] My family owns the property at 1704 Musi Road.

[1:14:53] My grandparents, Julius and Susie Selantutor purchased this property in 1945.

[1:15:00] If 81 years ago, my grandmother was a teacher at Lincoln School in St. Charles and my grandfather worked

[1:15:07] at the St. Charles Foundry when it was still a railroad manufacturing facility. I am 60 years

[1:15:14] old and I was raised on this property. When it was considered out in the country, you

[1:15:21] He wrote was a quiet, two-lane road, and my brothers and I took every opportunity to

[1:15:26] just let down its hills when Francis Hall declared a snow day.

[1:15:32] The land that is now graystone, Hampton Place, and Springmill, was our family's playground.

[1:15:38] We rode horses through the roads, played in the creeks, built forts, and enjoyed the freedom

[1:15:42] of going up in the country.

[1:15:45] As each subdivision was developed, we watched more of the woods in open land that had

[1:15:51] part of our childhood disappear. As these neighborhoods grew, our quiet country road changed,

[1:16:00] traffic increased, and the city required our family to sell a portion of frontage to allow

[1:16:06] Mugi Road to be widened. While we understood the need, it was not something our family wanted

[1:16:13] or chose.

[1:16:16] Today, many of the people who enjoy living in these neighborhoods in traveling on widened

[1:16:22] road oppose our family's opportunity to develop the property we have owned for more than eight decades.

[1:16:29] We respect their concerns but we hope they also appreciate our perspective.

[1:16:35] After 81 years of caring for this land, our family is simply asking for the same opportunity others have had.

[1:16:43] The proposed development complies with the city's density guidelines.

[1:16:47] The traffic study shows minimal impact and the high-end home homes will complement the surrounding neighborhoods while adding value to the community.

[1:16:59] Our family has watched this area transform from countryside into thriving neighborhoods.

[1:17:06] We respectfully ask that after 81 years of stewardship, we be given the opportunity to move forward with a development that is consistent with the city's plans

[1:17:16] and beneficial to the community.

[1:17:19] Thank you for your consideration.

[1:17:22] Thank you Ms. Mudri.

[1:17:26] Next speaker is Karen Black, and she's here speaking

[1:17:29] against Larsen Development.

[1:17:36] Hello, my name is Karen Black,

[1:17:39] and I've lived in St. Charles for about 20 years.

[1:17:43] I'm amazed at the number of people

[1:17:45] who are born here and live here their entire life.

[1:17:50] It's a remarkable thing about this community.

[1:17:54] It says a lot. My husband John Black is one of those people. My concern with the proposed

[1:18:01] Larson Development is first zoning it for rental multifamily living and what that will

[1:18:08] mean for a long term. The additional vehicle traffic, the growing road noise and the direct

[1:18:15] impact on the neighborhoods on either side. I've lived off the Mugikord or since moving here.

[1:18:22] first in bogey village and then in bogey estates.

[1:18:26] When my husband John built the home and built a bogey village,

[1:18:31] mucy was a quiet, two-lane road.

[1:18:33] It is now a bustling, four-lane road.

[1:18:37] You either wait an extended period of time

[1:18:39] to make a left turn safely,

[1:18:42] or it's used like a drag strip.

[1:18:46] I don't know much about traffic studies

[1:18:48] and I understand the traffic study

[1:18:50] that Larson has done meets St. Charles standards.

[1:18:55] If that's the case, I think we should reconsider our standards.

[1:19:00] We sold our home in Boogie Village in 2019, because we could no longer enjoy the back yard

[1:19:08] or the sunroom because of the road noise.

[1:19:12] John and I found out firsthand that road noise reduces home values about 10%.

[1:19:19] We then moved into bogey estates and made sure we moved further away from Mewgey.

[1:19:26] The eight plus acres for the proposed development are in a wonderful location, no doubt.

[1:19:33] The land would be ideal for a dozen free standing homes, 25 villas that are owner occupied.

[1:19:43] Keeping the integrity of our area.

[1:19:46] The Muggy corridor is home to some of the nicest neighborhoods in 6303, and I think it's important to keep that.

[1:19:56] With the new townhouse development at Muggy and Old Highway 94, the wonderful upgrades that it for Wappelhorse Park.

[1:20:05] It all has me very concerned of how much more Muggy can handle.

[1:20:10] I don't want to see it turn into a residential Manchester Road.

[1:20:15] I think we need to be very selective on how we move forward.

[1:20:21] I'm asking the council to have faith in our community and faith that we will find the right project for that area.

[1:20:31] We don't have to say I do to the first developer that asks.

[1:20:37] Thank you.

[1:20:43] Next speaker is Catherine Moore and she's here representing as an applicant representative speaking in favor of the application.

[1:20:52] Good evening members of the Council Mr. Mayor. I'm here on behalf of Larson Development and I have a presentation for you.

[1:20:59] I spoke to Mr. Boyer and we thought perhaps he would go through the staff's introduction of all three of the public hearings and then I could give it at the end and answer any questions.

[1:21:09] unless you'd rather me. Give it now.

[1:21:13] Go ahead. Go ahead.

[1:21:14] Okay, you'd like it now.

[1:21:37] Thank you.

[1:21:41] Okay.

[1:21:42] Good evening.

[1:21:43] Good evening.

[1:21:45] So this is your public hearing for all three of them combined.

[1:21:48] I have only one presentation.

[1:21:50] Okay.

[1:21:50] That's fine. I just want to make sure on time we were fine.

[1:21:53] So for five minutes.

[1:21:54] I think since she's doing all three that up to 15 if needed would be appropriate.

[1:21:58] My presentations under seven.

[1:22:00] Okay. Okay. Very good. Thank you. You may begin. Thank you.

[1:22:10] So my name is Catherine Moore.

[1:22:11] I'm here on behalf of Larsson Development to introduce the council and the mayor who's already

[1:22:16] seen a presentation at Planning and Zoning Commission to the Stone Maasville Project. Larsson

[1:22:23] Development has been in business for over 20 years. They're headquartered in St. Louis but they

[1:22:28] great nationwide. They're very

[1:22:30] Workout of the work they do, especially in the residential market, and they're excited to have an opportunity

[1:22:35] in the city of St. Charles. They have another successful, beautiful, high-end project in Lake St. Louis.

[1:22:42] So this is another local opportunity we're happy to bring forth to you.

[1:22:46] As Mr. Boyer mentioned, we have three public hearings, but four bills on the council's agenda tonight for first reading.

[1:22:54] And those involve the annexation of a 5.75 acre portion of our 8.3 acre parcel to be annexed into city limits and then

[1:23:04] rezoned with the contiguous zoning, which is R1E.

[1:23:07] Then we also have the application, which you're going to have a public hearing to follow this on the rezoning of the entire site to R3A.

[1:23:16] And that's not for a multi-family land use, it's for a single family land use.

[1:23:20] However, with attached villas such as these, working with your city staff and the city

[1:23:25] planning department, we were advised that that was the most appropriate category to

[1:23:30] move forward with.

[1:23:31] And then lastly, a rezoning to the planned district residential designation, and that also

[1:23:37] has the preliminary development plan for the Stone Moss villas with it.

[1:23:42] So what we're trying to do here is bring a new residential high-end luxury villa community

[1:23:49] to Miyuki Road and the City of St. Charles. It will fit a need for maintenance

[1:23:55] reliving and it is absolutely in line with the city's comprehensive plan and other

[1:24:01] developments seen in the area. Here is a color version of the preliminary

[1:24:07] development plan.

[1:24:10] Since having this project site under contract,

[1:24:14] Larson Development has communicated with the city,

[1:24:19] has communicated with the neighboring property owners non-stop.

[1:24:22] So the version before you tonight reflects a condition we worked with,

[1:24:26] with staff with the neighboring Hampton Place community,

[1:24:30] and with planning and zoning commissions to add a condition

[1:24:33] that we relocate some of the amenities to make the neighbors happier.

[1:24:36] So we relocated the dog park to the center of the site

[1:24:40] and in doing so it allowed us to change our grading plan

[1:24:43] and save additional trees along the perimeter with Hampton Place.

[1:24:48] So I like this slide.

[1:24:50] You can see the new landscaping that their substantial buffers

[1:24:53] surrounding the project from adjacent residential communities.

[1:24:57] Also the layout and then one new access point off of Muggy Road.

[1:25:05] As part of a plan district, the outdoor spaces are very important.

[1:25:10] So again, the amenities here are the dog park.

[1:25:13] We have dog waste stations, a pavilion, garden areas in the significant common ground, along with

[1:25:20] those heavily landscape buffers and common ground areas.

[1:25:24] There's new streets, new sidewalks on both sides, and new infrastructure is planned for

[1:25:29] this project, which I'll touch on a little more later.

[1:25:32] That's not an amenity, it's just a benefit to the site in general.

[1:25:36] The entire property will be landscaped,

[1:25:40] sodded professionally, and have irrigation.

[1:25:43] And that is because it'll be managed by a professional management company.

[1:25:47] This is a high-end luxury villa product for maintenance free living.

[1:25:51] So a standard of excellence will be required here,

[1:25:55] and as such frequent inspections to make sure all of the exterior maintenance

[1:26:00] is being handled are part of the plan.

[1:26:03] The homes are a luxury villa product attached in groups mostly with a few singles.

[1:26:11] There are three different villa products that are going to be offered here, a ranch, a

[1:26:16] a story and a half, and a two story.

[1:26:18] So they all vary in what they offer from main floor master bedroom to just main floor living

[1:26:25] in those ranches to also having entertainment space and just open floor plans for those

[1:26:31] home offices that people are are desiring and large gourmet kitchens. All homes will be

[1:26:40] modern, modern floor plants open, what the market wants. All have two car attach garages,

[1:26:46] all have full basements provided.

[1:26:50] There's going to be six unique elevations offered here,

[1:26:53] two for each type of home, the ranch, the story and a half in the two story. And all of the homes

[1:26:59] included in stone moss villas will have high end features, granite quartz, masonry elements,

[1:27:07] architectural shingles, and the like. This is intended to be a high end community, and

[1:27:12] it will be built as such.

[1:27:17] Here are some sample elevations just to show you. This is by no means

[1:27:22] all of the offerings that will be built, all the homes that will be built in this community.

[1:27:26] So,

[1:27:30] touching on storm water, we had the public hearing at planning and zoning and they

[1:27:36] did recommend approval of this project as does your staff report, but a lot of the

[1:27:41] neighbors were concerned about storm water from this project.

[1:27:45] In our experience in real estate development across the board, bringing infrastructure

[1:27:51] to a site allows you to install storm water management facilities, allows you to bring

[1:27:56] in storm sewers, bring in detention basins, properly grade the site.

[1:28:01] Here, none of that has occurred.

[1:28:03] So any runoff, neighboring properties could be experiencing

[1:28:06] from this site.

[1:28:08] This will help that.

[1:28:09] You have to control your own water, clean it,

[1:28:12] and get it into the storm water system appropriately,

[1:28:15] in a timed fashion.

[1:28:17] So that won't only help storm water related concerns

[1:28:21] that are stemming from this property.

[1:28:22] Other properties in the area, however,

[1:28:24] we wouldn't have much control over.

[1:28:26] All of the stormwater infrastructure will meet the city's code,

[1:28:30] the city's standards, 100%, and be professionally maintained,

[1:28:34] just like all other exterior features of this community.

[1:28:39] The other main topic of concern from the neighbors

[1:28:44] is traffic, traffic along New Year Road.

[1:28:48] So this site, this project, was of a low enough density

[1:28:53] and small in nature and didn't meet the markers to require a full traffic impact study,

[1:28:58] like you would for a strip center or a drive through or a Costco, or a 300-home, large residential

[1:29:07] community. We didn't meet the markers. However, we did hire, lock-neular group, and our traffic

[1:29:12] consultant is here, to do an traffic impact analysis or an assessment, which was quite thorough,

[1:29:20] more so than is required for our application in the middle on this project and the findings

[1:29:25] were that the impact of stone moss villas on muby will be marginal if it all that it will

[1:29:34] not create a major impact and that was presented in the staff report detailed in the staff

[1:29:39] report that you should have and explained to the planning and zoning commission as well.

[1:29:44] So we're happy to talk you through that should you have any questions about how the traffic

[1:29:48] was reviewed. Also, as it sits today, there's three homes with three curb cuts on Muggy

[1:29:55] rope. We will be eliminating two curb cuts.

[1:30:00] Putting in one, a roadway built to city standards, even though we'll be privately maintained by the community, by Larson Development.

[1:30:08] And that will change by having one more efficient curb cut bit built to city standards.

[1:30:15] We are not creating a detriment to Muggy Road. We're lessening the amount of curb cuts.

[1:30:21] and traffic counts, site distance and location have all been reviewed and all meet your city's code and your city's standards.

[1:30:33] We have complied for this project with all of the city's planning documents.

[1:30:38] The annexation is called for in this area. This is a growth area in the city's comprehensive plan.

[1:30:43] The residential development, the Villa Project, is in line with the density and with the

[1:30:50] development you've seen in this area.

[1:30:52] It fully complies with the requirements of your city code.

[1:30:56] And it is in line with the development patterns that you have seen in this area.

[1:31:01] There are adjacent Villa communities.

[1:31:03] There are residential communities in this area.

[1:31:06] A commercial use wouldn't go here.

[1:31:08] This is the type of land use that is appropriate here.

[1:31:10] And it satisfies the intent of a planned district zoning district.

[1:31:16] It's got efficient planning.

[1:31:17] It's prioritizing tree preservation and common ground.

[1:31:21] Prioritizing community amenities.

[1:31:25] And bringing infrastructure, bringing an aesthetic,

[1:31:28] and bringing a high-end luxury community to the city.

[1:31:32] And I will be happy to answer your questions and discuss any of the concerns

[1:31:38] that we have heard from some of the public speakers, should you have any, because I don't

[1:31:44] think you want me to use this time on that unless I'm mistaken. But to finish this part

[1:31:49] of my presentation, this is a consistent project with what the city wants to see, which is

[1:31:55] high-end luxury development, residential development. The staff report highlights how our

[1:32:01] density here for the Stone Moss Villas is less than other communities in the area, and within

[1:32:08] the range of what would be anticipated on this property.

[1:32:11] The architectural elements and amenities are in line with what you attract in a planned

[1:32:16] district development, such as this, and the city staff did a deep-diver view and they found

[1:32:23] compliance with the city's governing documents and recommended approval as did the planning

[1:32:28] and zoning commission.

[1:32:30] So we are here asking the city council to likewise look at this amazing residential project,

[1:32:36] see how it complies, see how it will improve this property from an infrastructure standpoint and bring quality

[1:32:44] residents to the city and frankly allow people who want maintenance free living and already live here to stay.

[1:32:51] There is a need for this type of development and we strongly appreciate your open mind and your consideration.

[1:33:00] and we understand the rental concept

[1:33:02] throws some people off and we've heard the criticism.

[1:33:06] But any single family home can be rented long-term.

[1:33:11] There is no prohibition against any of us renting out

[1:33:14] our home in St. Charles to long as it's over a year lease.

[1:33:18] Airbnb, VRBO, those can be prohibited by homeowners associations

[1:33:22] and often are and by cities and counties.

[1:33:25] but anyone who owns a property has the right to rent it.

[1:33:31] And there's many reasons for that,

[1:33:33] to be able to travel, to be able to have the maintenance free living,

[1:33:36] to move for a new job and not be familiar with your career,

[1:33:40] but want to hire and standard.

[1:33:42] These are four professionals.

[1:33:44] These are for Boeing, these are for MasterCard.

[1:33:47] These are for empty nesters.

[1:33:50] Who want to know how home will be maintained and be maintained professionally

[1:33:53] while they're traveling while they're in Florida for three months.

[1:33:57] That's the market here, there is no crime, there's no concerns such as a low quality

[1:34:05] resident, not that I think any municipality no matter how hard we try can determine that in advance.

[1:34:14] So what we're doing is bringing you a luxury product at a luxury price point and a great

[1:34:19] area that will be beautiful and beautifully maintained.

[1:34:23] And we appreciate your consideration and we're here to answer your questions.

[1:34:29] Any questions for the applicant?

[1:34:36] Seeing none.

[1:34:36] Thank you.

[1:34:37] Thank you.

[1:34:39] Okay.

[1:34:39] So the next several cards I have are, they're noted on here that they're here to answer questions

[1:34:44] if needed.

[1:34:45] So I'll just call those folks up.

[1:34:47] And if you all have any questions for them or if they'd like to speak, they can do that.

[1:34:50] The first one is Carl Shnooniki, and he is here representing CEC Incorporated.

[1:35:08] All right.

[1:35:10] Yeah.

[1:35:10] What else?

[1:35:11] Here you go.

[1:35:16] I'm here for the new town later in the meeting.

[1:35:19] But I am also the engineer of record.

[1:35:21] Thank you.

[1:35:22] Just don't miss well as.

[1:35:23] Yeah.

[1:35:23] Representing two things.

[1:35:25] Thank you.

[1:35:27] Instead of sending two people, I got them both.

[1:35:30] Excuse me.

[1:35:31] But as I said, my name is Carl Shnooniki, and I'm with CEC civil,

[1:35:35] and environmental consultants located here in the city of St. Charles down in the street St. Charles

[1:35:43] complex and I'm the engineer of record on this and as stated I mean we're looking they're looking

[1:35:51] to go high in development here and the storm sewers are going to meet or exceed the city requirements

[1:35:58] as far as attention and run off and we're trying to fix some of the issues with the way that water is

[1:36:03] currently running, because there's no controls on it.

[1:36:08] As far as the access, we meet the city standards

[1:36:12] and for site distance going north and south.

[1:36:17] And really I'm just here to answer any questions you would have,

[1:36:20] whether it be now or at a different portion of the meeting.

[1:36:25] Questions?

[1:36:29] Seeing that, thank you.

[1:36:30] Next is Max Lode, and he's also here representing the applicant

[1:36:34] and is available to speaker answer any questions?

[1:36:37] Good evening. I'm Max Ladden. I'm with the developer. Thank you for hearing our proposal and I'm here to answer any questions you might have.

[1:36:45] Thank you.

[1:36:47] Any questions at all?

[1:36:50] Very good.

[1:36:52] Thank you.

[1:36:53] Michelle Romain.

[1:36:54] She's here representing Lockmieler Group on behalf of Larsson.

[1:36:59] Hello, good evening. I'm Michelle Romain, a licensed professional engineer in the state of Missouri and a professional traffic operation here on behalf of Lockmieler Group.

[1:37:06] I'm here to help answer any questions that you may have with respect to the traffic.

[1:37:12] Who's virtual?

[1:37:14] Um, I don't know if this is a question for you or staff, but when you were looking at the

[1:37:20] traffic patterns, the cars coming in and out,

[1:37:26] were you looking at speed, the speed rate of the-

[1:37:32] So, the speed is typically taken into consideration for the site distance, whenever you place the access drive, you want to make sure it's in a safe spot. The site distance has been evaluated both by CEC as well as the city staff and it was determined that adequate sites this since was made for the speed of the roadway.

[1:37:48] Okay, was that minimum standards?

[1:37:50] Yes, and as well as the design speed, which is five miles above the posts, it's be them at two.

[1:37:55] Thank you.

[1:38:02] Thanks. You have a question?

[1:38:04] Mr. Holler.

[1:38:05] Yeah. Can you explain, I was at planning and zoning.

[1:38:09] And your traffic study, what was the traffic volume

[1:38:12] that was projected from this development

[1:38:15] both during the morning hours in the evening return?

[1:38:19] Yes. So the anticipated traffic development

[1:38:21] or generation would be 14 trips in the morning peak hour

[1:38:25] and then 21 trips in the evening peak hour.

[1:38:27] These are the typical commuter peak hours along Mugie Road,

[1:38:31] when it's a busiest.

[1:38:32] These numbers are based on the Institute

[1:38:34] of Transportation Engineers' Trip Generation Manual.

[1:38:37] They're based on calculations from studies

[1:38:39] well over 25 studies on both peak hours.

[1:38:44] So out of the number of houses are units that are there,

[1:38:48] you know, there's somewhere around 50 cars

[1:38:50] or you're only thinking 14 or leaving

[1:38:52] in the peak time in the morning.

[1:38:54] That's in the peak hour.

[1:38:55] So each house to give a little bit more background

[1:38:57] over the course of a full day. So 24 hours of the day would generate about six to seven trips.

[1:39:03] So think about your house and your family. You know, if you have a two-car garage, two people

[1:39:07] leaving to go to work, that's four trips. And then you have another two to three trips. If you were to go to the grocery store,

[1:39:13] take your kit to soccer, it's a reasonable amount of trips or at the course of a day.

[1:39:18] That said, these trips are spurred out all throughout the day. Not everybody has the same work schedules.

[1:39:23] some people are retired, some people work from home.

[1:39:26] They don't all occur within one hour.

[1:39:29] They happen pretty consistently throughout a day.

[1:39:32] And as noted during the peak hour, when you

[1:39:34] get noticed the busiest, it would be anticipated

[1:39:36] that there would only be about 21 trips in the PN that's

[1:39:39] the highest.

[1:39:39] That's one trip every three minutes.

[1:39:41] That's not a significant, you know, almost in consequential.

[1:39:46] And then I think the other issue that came up planning

[1:39:48] zoning was the site distance they're going up the hill. Have you looked at other

[1:39:55] opportunities for a different location of the entryway into it to kind of

[1:40:01] alleviate that site concern? Yeah, so the location of the access drive is

[1:40:09] CEC's working on that. I know that there is another location. They've been

[1:40:12] working with city staff. If you do have a specific question, Coral, would be

[1:40:17] Well, but there is another location, and it's my understanding that the applicant is open to moving to that location if it's preferred sight distance was met at both locations.

[1:40:28] Okay, I think behind you wants to speak to that issue.

[1:40:34] Hi, yes. Again, we've been very communicative with city staff and Carl R. Engineer has looked at some options.

[1:40:44] And there's only really two potential options here, both of which meet the city standard.

[1:40:52] So we still wish to move forward with the presented plan because there weren't any major benefits from the other alternative.

[1:40:59] But if there is an alternative plan that if that's the city's preference, we'll entertain that.

[1:41:06] But from our review of the city's comments and Carl's review, we didn't see there was much benefit to move it.

[1:41:16] But we're open if that's the council's preference.

[1:41:23] Yeah, yes. So has the engineering looked at that alternative?

[1:41:26] I mean, do we know?

[1:41:31] Uh, we sent a, oh great.

[1:41:39] Yeah, I'm Nick Galler for everyone in the audience.

[1:41:42] I'm the assistant to City Engineer.

[1:41:44] And yeah, we did take a look,

[1:41:46] a preliminary layout that looked at shifting the entrance further to the south,

[1:41:50] which would allow for even more side distance.

[1:41:53] So, as they mentioned before, the current layout that they have does meet our minimum

[1:41:58] criteria for both 40 mile an hour, which is the postage speed, and 45 miles an hour.

[1:42:04] As you move further to the south, you kind of get to the crest of the hill, and at some

[1:42:10] point, you're able to see much, much further.

[1:42:13] So the plenary layout that we've crucially, you know, initially reviewed that intranslocation

[1:42:21] would exceed our minimum standards.

[1:42:23] You'd be able to see much farther than the minimum.

[1:42:27] So with that said, would you prefer that other locations?

[1:42:33] Does it provide a greater sight distance or, I mean,

[1:42:37] you just looked at it pulling on, you know,

[1:42:41] just, yeah, correct.

[1:42:42] From a sight distance standpoint and from a transportation standpoint,

[1:42:46] you would be a safer benefit

[1:42:49] and there'd be more improvements for having the entrance shifted further towards the south

[1:42:54] because you'd be able to see much further and it gave drivers more time to react to

[1:43:00] turning movements coming in and out of the subdivision.

[1:43:03] Thank you.

[1:43:06] Mr. Bradford.

[1:43:08] So I mean I wanted to ask that same thing.

[1:43:10] So you're saying this secondary proposed entrance location is safer.

[1:43:15] Would be safer in your opinion.

[1:43:17] Yes, it exceeds our minimum standards.

[1:43:19] the currently out that they have does meet our current standard, but the shifted entrance would

[1:43:24] exceed those.

[1:43:24] Okay, able to see further down the road.

[1:43:28] Good.

[1:43:28] Thank you, Nick.

[1:43:29] For that.

[1:43:31] So, you know, that's a concern that I think made sense from a lot of residents who spoke

[1:43:35] tonight because New Year Road is not a bubble.

[1:43:40] People with the speed on it there?

[1:43:43] Forty miles per hour is the post of speed.

[1:43:45] Okay.

[1:43:45] And I think the traffic study said, we think people

[1:43:49] might go five miles over, right?

[1:43:52] OK.

[1:43:54] That's what our traffic engineers have to look at.

[1:43:56] That's what they look at to decide.

[1:43:58] And what I'm suggesting is real world people are going faster than that.

[1:44:03] I don't know.

[1:44:03] We used to have signs out there.

[1:44:05] Do we have records that people do go faster than five miles over?

[1:44:09] We do.

[1:44:10] We do.

[1:44:11] You know, I don't know if there's something we can't just look at it in a

[1:44:16] and say, well, 50 homes is 14 in the morning, 21 in the evening, so we don't need a traffic

[1:44:20] study.

[1:44:21] Is there something we can do to broaden that look at the impact and what it would be on

[1:44:27] Muggy?

[1:44:27] I don't know.

[1:44:28] Is there something we can do?

[1:44:29] Yeah, what I would say is right now, at a four lane section, Muggy today, our average daily

[1:44:35] traffic is about 20,000 cars per day, and with that type of a roadway, it's essentially

[1:44:41] able to handle up to 40,000 cars per day.

[1:44:45] So, that is a four lane section that's interceasing and that's what a four lane road can handle.

[1:44:51] So, the additional development with 50 units, any amount of cars, six to seven trips per day,

[1:44:58] that's in line with what we see at others.

[1:45:00] We're looking for developments for residential units, the amount of traffic that you're talking about per day is between, you know, 200 to 500 cards max.

[1:45:08] So the amount of volume during the day would be almost negligible in comparison to the volumes that we see on Muggy today.

[1:45:16] So what I would say is that we don't anticipate or expect any major traffic impacts based on this development.

[1:45:25] The additional traffic that could be generated is really for their access in and out of the subdivision.

[1:45:30] The volumes that are coming in and out does not warrant a traffic signal.

[1:45:34] That would probably add for more congestion on MIGI.

[1:45:36] So staff would not be supportive of a signal at that location.

[1:45:40] So the amount of traffic is just one way in and out of that subdivision.

[1:45:43] It's not connected to a graystone or other side streets.

[1:45:47] So the traffic problems that makes this for that development is isolated to that development.

[1:45:53] their struggles coming in and out of the subdivision, because the volumes are high on

[1:45:57] Miyagi would be the users of that development.

[1:46:02] Right, and that makes sense to me.

[1:46:03] You know, if you choose to rent there, you're going to have to deal with getting out.

[1:46:08] What I'm trying to get at is the existing conditions on Miyagi are not people going to speed limit

[1:46:14] plus five.

[1:46:15] They are people going faster than that.

[1:46:17] So, you know, in approving this, are we creating an unsafe condition?

[1:46:23] We know people speed there, you know, I mean, because there were records, right, Ms.

[1:46:27] Mitchell?

[1:46:29] Of the average speed of the vehicle in this area is 47 to 49 miles per hour.

[1:46:35] Right.

[1:46:35] Yeah.

[1:46:36] So, it's called like the 85th percentile, which is the amount of traffic, most drivers are

[1:46:43] probably driving like Miss Mitchell said between 45 and 50 miles per hour. So the site

[1:46:49] distance that they looked at on their original one, where we require five miles per hour

[1:46:54] over the post is element, knowing that, you know, almost all circumstances, people are driving

[1:47:00] faster than this post is element. That's what they met on their original location. With the

[1:47:05] shifted location, they're able to see at 55 miles an hour or plus. Besides distance, it hasn't

[1:47:11] that much to where they can see much further down the road.

[1:47:16] So not only for the 85th percentile, but even the extreme speeders, if they shift the entrance

[1:47:20] further to the south, they'll be able to see much further than they would be at their

[1:47:26] proposal occasion.

[1:47:28] I mean, that's my biggest concern is creating a safe condition for anyone who travels on

[1:47:32] you.

[1:47:33] Whether they are moving into a new rental or they live there or they're just using it to

[1:47:37] work from another neighborhood.

[1:47:40] Nick, I hate to catch off, guard.

[1:47:42] Is there a chance you could show us on Google Maps?

[1:47:46] What I'm most interested in seeing,

[1:47:48] it may be someone else would be better prepared to do that.

[1:47:51] I'd like to really understand the three curb cuts going to one,

[1:47:56] John, if you could show us that and where

[1:48:02] the proposed from the applicant entrances,

[1:48:06] And then where the secondary proposed one might be?

[1:48:14] I'm just going to work off Google Maps as the fastest thing I can get to if that's okay.

[1:48:18] I've partnered our GIS guy, so I'd love me to use their map.

[1:48:21] Okay.

[1:48:29] Maybe you can see it over there.

[1:48:53] Well, I'd like to be able to see it, too.

[1:49:04] All right.

[1:49:07] So today there are three existing driveways, essentially, on this property.

[1:49:12] So there's a driveway. Can't remember where my mouse cursor is today.

[1:49:16] Here. I believe here and here.

[1:49:19] So, these three driveways will come to one roadway standard entrance on the property.

[1:49:30] Their proposed plan today is somewhere in this area, with their entrance, a shifted entrance

[1:49:36] would be closer to this driveway here.

[1:49:38] As you look towards the south, towards the bottom of the screen, you basically can see over

[1:49:43] the crest of the hill.

[1:49:44] So you'll be able to see much further down the roadway on the shifted entrance.

[1:50:01] We're able to do that with staff, sir.

[1:50:03] We're able to do that with staff or the applicant.

[1:50:07] We're working that with.

[1:50:10] Because that's part of the public hearing, sir.

[1:50:15] Are you suggesting I shouldn't be able to ask a question of staff?

[1:50:18] So I can understand how I should vote.

[1:50:24] That's not part of the public hearing, sir.

[1:50:26] I appreciate your comment.

[1:50:27] And this is part of the discussion here where we are asking questions directly of staff to get details back for us to be able to provide information for us to be able to vote.

[1:50:40] It's a staff member.

[1:50:47] Okay, so the secondary proposed location obviously has better visibility.

[1:50:54] It exceeds our minimum, which personally I think exceeding the minimum on a road like this where people drive faster than they should.

[1:51:04] should probably be the goal. I would think. So thanks for bringing that up on

[1:51:09] short notice without the warning Nick.

[1:51:14] This is Mitchell. Hi, Nick.

[1:51:20] The PD

[1:51:20] weigh in on if this location changes further south is that help with backup

[1:51:26] is possibly a great stone or spring melt that they weigh in. Does it what it

[1:51:33] up at either location, if someone was coming in or out of that neighborhood, on

[1:51:38] Miuqi?

[1:51:39] Traffic congestion.

[1:51:40] Like, did PD weigh in and say, propose location one or propose location two

[1:51:48] to the south would be more safe as far as cars backing up or not?

[1:51:56] I have not talked to police department about the ship to the entrance yet.

[1:51:59] Okay. But either either location still safety risk with the speeding, just better visibility

[1:52:08] at the, if it was moved, okay. Correct. So then my question is, let's say we close all

[1:52:16] these public hearings. Is it staff that speaks to the applicant about, a changing the

[1:52:25] entrance or do we need to amend that or ask them to.

[1:52:30] And then that tonight before we close the hearings.

[1:52:32] My understanding is they have a proposal out that they're able to provide tonight that they

[1:52:37] could show you a concept plan.

[1:52:39] That is accurate.

[1:52:41] That is accurate.

[1:52:45] It would be best and proper.

[1:52:47] Probably from your personal position.

[1:52:48] I'm sorry.

[1:52:49] We think it would be proper for you to probably continue the public hearing so that way all

[1:52:54] of your department heads can look at the alternative.

[1:52:57] And then we can come back and conclude the public hearing at your next meetings.

[1:53:01] And so that way, you don't feel like you're rushing anything unless you have a better perspective.

[1:53:06] But we have hard copies for all of you of the alternative entrance.

[1:53:14] From the community development standpoint, the planning side, shift in the entrance may

[1:53:19] solve one problem, but we still have to verify that with all the moving, the moths around,

[1:53:23] that that's not causing other issues of minimum compliance when it comes to the PD or the Zones

[1:53:28] stance, which we have not had an opportunity to fully vet out, so we would need some time to

[1:53:34] Okay, so if you're wanting to keep the public hearing open for staff to review that, are you

[1:53:46] asking for all of the public hearings to be left open or just one?

[1:53:55] Well, for an annexation in recent meetings in preliminary plan approval, we want them all

[1:54:00] the same track anyway. So you can keep them all open or you could close, you know, the annexation

[1:54:08] and the first rezoning and only keep the PD1 open. It's up to, I mean it's up to you,

[1:54:13] but we wouldn't want one approved without them all being approved on the same agenda eventually.

[1:54:20] I guess I'd want something from staff. What do you think? We should be doing here.

[1:54:27] I mean, it's their application. It's their proposal. They can have a request to you just

[1:54:32] like before we had an applicant with draw their application that is their right, I'm not suggesting

[1:54:38] that here or anything.

[1:54:38] I'm just using that as an example.

[1:54:42] It's possible you could leave certain public hearings open and close the others from a technical

[1:54:50] standpoint.

[1:54:50] The public hearing will still be available anyways.

[1:54:53] I think it's just a question of preference by maybe the council and the applicant,

[1:54:56] whether they prefer to leave all of them open or only some of them.

[1:54:59] It might be a little messy to close a couple and keep others open.

[1:55:05] Probably keep them open, but how much time would the applicant need?

[1:55:10] Or the staff need?

[1:55:11] Well, we'll start with the applicant first.

[1:55:16] We have the hard plan, and we actually already had sent a PDF to staff, but your council packet

[1:55:24] had already gone out. And we didn't quite know this was a strong preference from the engineering

[1:55:31] department. I've never spoken to your engineering department. So hearing their perspective,

[1:55:35] I think we're ready to submit and have it evaluated by staff. So continuing the planned district,

[1:55:43] public hearing, and perhaps closing the rest if you agree, John, we're open to staff,

[1:55:51] but we wouldn't want any action taken on the other bills until the plan district was right for discussion and potential approval.

[1:56:16] So it sounds like the easiest way to make the most sense is leave all the public earnings open.

[1:56:20] Let's go through the time.

[1:56:22] If we're ready to go on the next council meeting, we'll put it on the agenda.

[1:56:25] but John saying that they should be able to get through it this week.

[1:56:30] Okay, so when would we be wanting to leave them open to?

[1:56:33] To the next council meeting, which is the 18th, 18th.

[1:56:38] Okay.

[1:56:42] Okay.

[1:56:44] We would provide a supplemental RCA with, you know, our findings,

[1:56:48] whether it's still compliant or if there are any issues, obviously.

[1:56:51] Are we still just on the first case?

[1:56:56] Yes.

[1:56:57] We're on L.

[1:56:58] And if I may, it may be able, it also allows some of the residents that want to rebut some

[1:57:04] of those to be able to come back, review that, and be able to come back at the next meeting,

[1:57:09] and be able to participate, and share their thoughts as well.

[1:57:14] Mr. Bernie?

[1:57:16] I may share my thoughts on the word rental.

[1:57:21] When you think of Villa, I think of a luxury style, independent living, I don't necessarily think of rental, but I will say this to you.

[1:57:32] I live in a Villa community, mile and a half from this location.

[1:57:37] We have 23 villas where I live, and we send on nine acres of these 23 villas.

[1:57:46] And the one thing I can tell you about the residents and my bill of community, we won't have a traffic problem on Muggy if we were there.

[1:57:55] All of their group and I live in those villas with myself, our average age is 75.

[1:58:01] Their old folks like the mayor and myself.

[1:58:04] And there's very few trips per day because only four of the toll 23 folks even have employment that they leave.

[1:58:13] So, the word rental is not the word that fits the word villa.

[1:58:19] Villa is a luxury independent living, and on that basis, I would say the proposal does not

[1:58:28] merit the consideration of the word villa.

[1:58:33] Now, if you can do what you want to do with that thing, but at the end of the day, consider

[1:58:38] this fact, and 6301 and 6303 for the last 12 months. There have been eight luxury

[1:58:48] villas that have sold. And 6 of the sold, the list sold in a day and a half, the average

[1:58:56] list to sale price was 101%. So when you look at the statistic of what happens in villas

[1:59:04] And St. Charles, they're actively purchased, they're actually purchased by older folks.

[1:59:11] They're soft users of the infrastructure, and they're just great neighbors.

[1:59:16] They don't make a lot of noise, they don't make anything.

[1:59:18] They're just kind of, they're just there.

[1:59:21] Of the 15 years I've lived where I am, 14 of my neighbors have passed away.

[1:59:27] You talk about soft users, those are soft users.

[1:59:31] So I'm recommending that the Council consider this not to be the proper use of this property.

[1:59:36] Thank you.

[1:59:47] Name Ms. Mitchell, near Tina Motion.

[1:59:49] Okay.

[1:59:50] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:59:51] This is a foul.

[1:59:52] No, I'm done.

[1:59:52] Yeah, real quick, I want to.

[1:59:54] I came up with a talk book.

[1:59:56] Yes.

[1:59:57] Okay, thank you.

[1:59:59] So...

[1:59:59] I've got...

[2:00:00] I have to miss Mitchell about this briefly, and I've listened to all the residents. I know a lot of them. Many residents and miss Mitchell's words since ours, but up to each other. I have five to six subdivisions off of New Year Road. The number one issue is always been congestion, traffic, her and I have worked closely with Lieutenant Jones to put those pedometers there. The speedometers have helped. Should you have faster going? I get a lot of, when I even travel down there, I get

[2:00:29] slow down and shows what it should be. It helps but it's not, it's never going to be

[2:00:35] solve the issue of the traffic on Mugi Road. And this usage of right here I just don't

[2:00:42] think it helps. Right now traffic lights alone is one of the biggest issues in my word

[2:00:48] that we have to just some prior yearly because the different traffic each year more traffic is going

[2:00:53] from 70 to 364, and you know,

[2:00:57] you wrote the busy road.

[2:00:59] Spring gardens, since I've been elected,

[2:01:03] still wants that place to be 25 miles an hour

[2:01:05] on making a road.

[2:01:06] That's not gonna happen.

[2:01:08] But adding more cars does not help the issue.

[2:01:12] I believe the Solon Shooter family,

[2:01:14] I've known, it was your brother, Mike.

[2:01:17] Yeah, I really looked at the Mike, you know, he's missed.

[2:01:21] And I know how much you guys value that property

[2:01:23] very, very much, and I used to talk about all time. So, I get it, not all development is

[2:01:31] perfect for every location. So, even if you go to, is it off-graced on the next option?

[2:01:39] There's no other option. No, the entrance? No, they were talking about further,

[2:01:43] further towards the 1990s. Okay, I'm sorry. Okay. So, you get wrote. This is something that I'll take

[2:01:49] all the consideration the residents of obviously this is a big turnout but I appreciate

[2:01:54] Larson presenting but I will tell you what it's going to be a hard pill to swallow at this

[2:01:59] type of density and there we've had infrastructure needs problems already with the latest

[2:02:04] big storm how does that look with our storm motors system how does that look going forward

[2:02:12] so I consider all that information and I appreciate you guys coming out tonight by one of the

[2:02:15] Please let you know where I stand, so thank you.

[2:02:24] This is Ventil.

[2:02:25] OK, I'm going to make a motion to hold the public hearing.

[2:02:29] I'm case, we read the case.

[2:02:32] Z-2026-14 open until the August 18th, 2026 regular city council meeting.

[2:02:41] Second.

[2:02:42] All right.

[2:02:45] All just in fouls?

[2:02:46] Aye.

[2:02:47] I'm sorry.

[2:02:48] Roll call, Tom Brunning.

[2:02:49] Aye.

[2:02:50] Just in fouls.

[2:02:52] Aye.

[2:02:52] Thank you, Michael Galba, Brian Gouldt, Bart Haberstrow, Mark Hollander,

[2:02:57] abstain, abstain Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle,

[2:03:05] no, I, okay, thank you, Denise Mitchell, I, Vince Ratchford,

[2:03:10] okay, that passes, that'll be held open until the August 18th regular city council meeting.

[2:03:16] Next up is case number z-2026-15.

[2:03:20] This is Larson Development LLC, an application to

[2:03:23] Resone and 8.39 acre more or less.

[2:03:26] Tractively and located at 17, 04, 17, 10, and 17, 12

[2:03:31] Muggy Road from R-1 E Single Family Residential District to

[2:03:35] R-3A Multiple Family Residential District.

[2:03:38] Subject property located in Ward 5 and referencing.

[2:03:43] Excuse me.

[2:03:44] Council Bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 4.

[2:03:48] As indicated, this is kind of the second step in this development.

[2:03:51] This is a technical step in order to get to the PD before you get to our plan district,

[2:03:55] which is the next public hearing, the zoning that proceeds it is used to establish uses,

[2:04:01] densities, setbacks in order to either provide flexibility or not flexibility through the PD.

[2:04:06] So the multi-family here is a technical step.

[2:04:09] Their intent is attached, single-family, not rental, which would be permitted by right,

[2:04:14] obviously within the R3A multi-family use.

[2:04:18] This item was at the Planning and Zoning Commission on July 13th.

[2:04:21] The applicant spoke.

[2:04:22] There were nine speakers as I indicated before.

[2:04:25] With general questions and concerns,

[2:04:26] stormwater traffic, trees, and the rental use of the overall project.

[2:04:31] Ultimately, in addition to either,

[2:04:32] there were six letters from the public that was also included.

[2:04:35] Ultimately, the application was for it with a recommendation

[2:04:37] by the P&Z Commission, six in favor,

[2:04:40] one opposed, one abstention,

[2:04:41] I'd be happy to answer any more questions on this one.

[2:04:47] And further questions.

[2:04:49] Ms. Mitchell.

[2:04:52] R2A versus R3A.

[2:04:54] There's no R2A, I'm sorry.

[2:04:56] There isn't.

[2:04:57] Just written down from R1 to R3A.

[2:04:59] We have R2 as far as the analysis.

[2:05:05] I don't recall the full analysis on the R3.

[2:05:09] The R2 has, you know, maybe the applicant can provide some more insight here too as well.

[2:05:17] R2 does have some stringent requirements as far as setbacks, lot sizes, that they may have been trying to,

[2:05:25] I don't want to say the word avoid, but move into a district that would be more beneficial to what they were trying to achieve.

[2:05:31] R3A was done that, as far as it gives them the attached town home.

[2:05:34] can still allow single family, but ultimately R2 was chosen by the applicants.

[2:05:41] I can confirm with Aaron, she's back there, but I don't believe R2 was chosen by the applicant.

[2:05:46] That's correct.

[2:05:47] But R2 would allow multi-family attached with a single law.

[2:05:52] Not multi-family.

[2:05:55] It's a very technical...

[2:05:55] Types though.

[2:05:56] Dplex, correct.

[2:05:58] Or Villa.

[2:05:59] Dplex or Villa?

[2:05:59] There were not more than two connected in a law.

[2:06:02] That's correct. Which is what is being proposed. Right. They are proposing single homes or

[2:06:10] town homes

[2:06:11] two stories attached with a single wall with two units.

[2:06:17] So why would why would R2

[2:06:21] not be

[2:06:23] considered versus R3? I cannot give you that. Yeah, I can't keep you that answer tonight. It's just more intense is what I'm you know

[2:06:30] Yes, but I think it would fit under R2, so I'm just trying to understand why the higher intensity.

[2:06:37] I'd have to review that real quick.

[2:06:39] I don't know if the applicant had to put you on the spot.

[2:06:41] But while you're speaking, I can look too as well.

[2:06:45] It's a good question.

[2:06:47] Pardon me.

[2:06:50] I've reviewed the staff report and detail.

[2:06:54] And in the staff report, you'll see that they kind of looked at all the villa communities,

[2:06:59] kind of in the general area and this was the zoning district that the more recent ones went

[2:07:07] with is the underlying and we were just advised that it was the more appropriate one for the land

[2:07:13] use here and then the PD that the preliminary development plan once that's approved that's all you

[2:07:18] can build so the the zoning was really secondary because the plan that gets approved is all you're

[2:07:25] to do with it. So staff kind of guided us a little bit in this direction.

[2:07:32] Okay. I just am still not under staff. I'm not understanding why we're doing a higher and since she's if it would fit under art too.

[2:07:42] I want to give you my gut answer on it. I think the reasoning was, I could probably pull up the staff report.

[2:07:49] There is some R3 in the area. You're seeing as a comparable to what was already there, and from a zoning standpoint, we don't like to reintroduce.

[2:07:57] not saying that R2 couldn't be.

[2:07:59] However, those are owner occupied and not rental.

[2:08:02] And there's a difference.

[2:08:04] And so if you're R3 in your rental,

[2:08:06] that could also introduce apartments down the road.

[2:08:08] This is true.

[2:08:09] So that's why I'm asking why the higher intent

[2:08:12] you use if it could qualify for R2.

[2:08:14] Again, R3 would also allow an individual owner occupied as well.

[2:08:18] It's not just rental.

[2:08:20] It does allow a Howard density.

[2:08:22] It's 18 units per acre over the R2,

[2:08:24] which I'm not going to do the math here.

[2:08:26] But yeah, you're right, it's a higher density and the R3 I think was just chosen primarily looking at the map, zoning map R3 is in the area.

[2:08:36] Maybe staff could.

[2:08:38] We certainly could do that.

[2:08:39] We certainly could do that.

[2:08:40] Maybe staff could look into the reason is the underlying.

[2:08:55] Yeah, but still.

[2:08:55] I mean, those are owner occupied.

[2:08:57] It's not, it's not the same.

[2:08:58] It's not apples, apples.

[2:09:00] In my opinion, but okay.

[2:09:01] have a dictate ownership. Yeah, I understand. I understand. But it is higher

[2:09:05] than 10. All right. Anybody else have anything? Thank you. Any other questions?

[2:09:12] Ms. Mitchell. Motion to hold the public hearing on case Z2020. Oh, sorry.

[2:09:19] Hold on one second. I do have speaker cards. Oh. There were some folks that

[2:09:25] So if I may call the first one Ted Gloser, I understand he spoke, but he filled out that he wanted to speak relative to L, M and N, and we're on M, so if he'd like to speak on M, he can.

[2:09:39] He's not here.

[2:09:40] He's gone.

[2:09:42] John Black, also the same thing, Mr. Black, filled out a card for L and N.

[2:09:48] You're good.

[2:09:48] Thank you.

[2:09:49] And Karen Black, same thing.

[2:09:51] All right. Thank you very much. And then with that being said, I also do have the same representatives from behalf of the applicant that also filled out their speaker cards for M.

[2:10:02] So that's max Michelle and Carl with any of those folks would like to come up to the podium this time to me do so. If not, then I'll go ahead with your motion.

[2:10:11] Okay, thank you motion to hold the public hearing on case number Z2026-15 open until the August 18th,

[2:10:24] 2026 regular city council meeting.

[2:10:27] Second.

[2:10:28] Okay, roll call to hold that open until August 18th, 2026, Justin Faust, Michael Gallbert,

[2:10:36] Brian Gold, Bart Haberstrow, Mark Hollander,

[2:10:40] We've all under Chris Kyle Denise Mitchell, Vince Ratchford, Tom Browning, thank you, I got you, and Tom Browning, that passes.

[2:10:51] Next is case number zz-2026-16, Larson Development LLC, an application to rezone an 8.39, acre more or less tract of land located at 1704, 1710 and 1712 Muggy Road,

[2:11:07] from R-3A, multiple family residential district, to PDR, plan development, residential district,

[2:11:15] for a proposed 50 unit attached town home development, subject property located in Ward

[2:11:20] 5, referencing Council Bill 1, 415.

[2:11:24] As indicated previously, this is the last component of the proposal for you for this development.

[2:11:28] This is moving from the standard zoning districts into the plan districts for the intended

[2:11:35] development that was provided to you, attached to this rezoning application for the planned

[2:11:40] district, there is a preliminary development plan, which is required by rezoning.

[2:11:43] That's the site layout showing what this development looks like.

[2:11:47] This was at the Planning and Zoning Commission on July 13th, the same as the others, where

[2:11:51] the applicant spoke, and there were still nine speakers from the public who are against

[2:11:55] this item for the items which I had said before, which I'll re-enter a general questions concerning

[2:12:01] stormwater, stormwater, excuse me, traffic, trees, and the rental use of the overall project.

[2:12:07] There were also six letters that were attached to it were included as I indicated previously,

[2:12:11] and ultimately the planning is on a commission recommended in favor, five in favor, two

[2:12:16] opposed in one abstention for the application.

[2:12:19] I'd be happy to answer any questions.

[2:12:22] Questions for staff?

[2:12:24] Seeing none.

[2:12:26] Okay.

[2:12:26] Again, I have a couple speaker cards, John Black, and Karen Black also indicated on their

[2:12:31] speaker cards to speak relative to this public hearing.

[2:12:34] May come forward at this time if you need to.

[2:12:37] All right.

[2:12:37] So then we are good, except the applicants are here too as well.

[2:12:41] Anybody?

[2:12:42] Need STEM for anything?

[2:12:43] Miss Mitchell.

[2:12:45] Motion to hold the public hearing on case number Z, 2026-16, open until the August 18th, 2026 regular

[2:12:54] city council meeting.

[2:12:59] Okay, roll call, Michael Galba, Brian Gold, Bart Haberstrow, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, Denise Mitchell, Vince Rattford, Tom Burning, Justin Faust, that passes.

[2:13:17] Okay, the last public hearing on the agenda is case number TA-2026-0303 City of St. Charles, an application to amend chapter 400 zoning code of the code of ordinances,

[2:13:28] specifically to permit recreational vehicle storage within the C-2 general business district.

[2:13:34] This is referencing council bill 1, 4, 1, 1, 3.

[2:13:38] This is an item that was generated from some staff discussion internally and eventually we brought

[2:13:42] it forward to the planning and zoning commission.

[2:13:47] In the, this is concerning a property that's in the C-2 right now, there's an end user who

[2:13:52] looking to utilize some additional storage for specifically for a recreational vehicle.

[2:14:00] The way that our code is set up right now, recreational vehicle storage, only first appears

[2:14:04] at C3, and then carries forward to I1 and I2, it's a pyramid-type layout, the way our

[2:14:11] zoning code is set up.

[2:14:15] When we were approached by an applicant to say, hey, what do I need to do?

[2:14:19] We indicated that, hey, this could be done at C3, however, for the property they were looking

[2:14:23] we didn't believe C3 would be an appropriate land use.

[2:14:26] It sits off the highway.

[2:14:28] It would be entertaining additional uses,

[2:14:30] which we didn't believe were essentially appropriate.

[2:14:32] And also getting to look at the use itself.

[2:14:34] We believe that, at least, staff believed that the storage

[2:14:38] of recreational vehicle trailers are these.

[2:14:42] Generally, it was a low-intense use.

[2:14:44] There's not a lot of in and out traffic.

[2:14:46] Yeah, you're going to come in on the weekend to pick up your trailer

[2:14:48] to go to your trip or whatever.

[2:14:50] But compared to other uses,

[2:14:51] it's a fairly low output, they're actually the use that's in general right now, it's

[2:14:56] got it for storage, for a vehicle state, a vehicle state.

[2:15:01] So, in order to move this forward, a text amendment, there are three entities, as you may recall. I know we have a newer council member, but I'll go ahead and interrate that. There are three entities that can initiate text amendments to the zoning ordinance. City council, conduct staff, planning and zoning commission, conduct staff, or staff can bring things forward that, hey, we see these things. Hey, let's bring this forward to P&C Commission and have a discussion on this item. This was brought forward by staff. We identified this.

[2:15:30] I think this makes sense to us.

[2:15:32] P&Z Commission did discuss this initially at a planning zone

[2:15:35] in commission meeting.

[2:15:36] It got an unfavorable recommendation from that.

[2:15:39] We were requested by the Mayor to bring this forward.

[2:15:42] I think he had some clarifying questions

[2:15:43] that he wanted to have discussion with the Planning

[2:15:46] and Zoning Commission.

[2:15:46] He came back to the Planning and Zoning Commission

[2:15:48] at that July meeting where that discussion occurred.

[2:15:51] In the ultimate, we did receive a recommendation,

[2:15:54] unanimous recommendation from the Planning and Zoning

[2:15:56] Commission to amend the text, to allow this.

[2:15:59] used to be a conditional use. Sorry, I didn't point that clear fire out earlier. A conditional

[2:16:04] use in C2. So move it from C3 down to C2 as a conditional use where it could be ruled

[2:16:10] on, by a case-by-case basis, and attached conditions as necessary to make sure a use can

[2:16:15] be compliant depending on the unique circumstances that may occur at that specific location.

[2:16:20] Again, this was a public hearing. There were zero public speakers from this item and the planning

[2:16:26] his own commission moved forward with a recommendation eight in favor zero against I'd be

[2:16:30] happy to answer any questions. Questions at all for staff. Mr. Ratchford. Yeah, thanks

[2:16:36] for clarifying that on the PNZ. I was surprised that it was unanimously against and then

[2:16:44] a month later as unanimously for. I don't know if Mayor Nank can speak to if you

[2:16:54] And I discussed it after that vote.

[2:16:56] And he felt like, I don't know what words is in his mouth, but he thought that the presentation

[2:17:01] made by staff was in his comprehensive as it should be, or clear as it should be.

[2:17:06] And I think one said opportunity was provided for a clear explanation.

[2:17:10] Everyone understood the change and nobody had a problem with it.

[2:17:13] So I would agree with that statement.

[2:17:15] It certainly appeared to me that there may be some confusion.

[2:17:17] I don't want to say people work in fuse, but it's just from my staff's perspective that

[2:17:21] look like may have gotten missed and the mayor asked if I would bring it back forward.

[2:17:27] And there are a lot of RV storage businesses beating down the doors, just the only one.

[2:17:34] We do get these from time to time.

[2:17:36] I think the most that we've seen are more up in the Northern area around 370.

[2:17:42] That's, for most of them are located.

[2:17:44] I'd say some of the other ones that are located more south in the city are probably older ones

[2:17:48] that have been there for a very long time.

[2:17:49] New ones are generally go up north because we have open available I-1 and I-2 ground in which they're they're going on

[2:17:57] So it's

[2:17:59] an easier process. Okay, but we're not turning people away. We want to store our views and see-2

[2:18:05] This is probably the first one. This one was brought up. Yes, okay, and

[2:18:10] Tell me about screening required to store

[2:18:14] vehicles and see-2. So

[2:18:17] Fencing is required along the front-age on public hearing front-age.

[2:18:19] It has to be an opaque, so you can't see through it.

[2:18:22] Six foot, at least a six foot tall fence.

[2:18:24] You need landscaping.

[2:18:26] Now, depending if there are residential uses to the rear,

[2:18:28] there are landscaping buffers that are required.

[2:18:31] That also includes fence screening, landscaping,

[2:18:35] distance limitations.

[2:18:36] Those things are required as a minimum within the zoning code

[2:18:41] as it's structured.

[2:18:42] And what sort of vehicles are currently allowed in C2?

[2:18:45] C2 allows for car sales, so if you have an automobile, use car automobile, new car,

[2:18:54] automobile location, that's already available within C2 currently.

[2:18:59] I mean specifically for storage in C2.

[2:19:02] Cars for storage for use.

[2:19:07] Usually that's accessory to something.

[2:19:10] If you're going to go into an actual physical storage or something,

[2:19:12] Generally you're moving up into that I want to ride to generally and what kind of landscaping are we talking about tall landscaping or shrubs or bushes or what so our initial standards are for bushes

[2:19:24] It could be you know five gallon bushes you know 18 inches tall or so trees are two and a half inch collopters are minimum standard evergreen is six foot on

[2:19:33] initial Okay, so if we thought about the idea that RVs are a lot taller than a six foot fence even if you make that fence sightproof this was considered yes

[2:19:43] And our bees are taller, I mean, we're going to know what's behind that fence, even though it's site proof.

[2:19:48] This is true.

[2:19:50] All right. Thank you. You're welcome.

[2:19:53] Further questions?

[2:19:56] Seeing none.

[2:19:57] Speak regards?

[2:19:58] Those speaker cards on this item.

[2:20:00] All right.

[2:20:04] Your files?

[2:20:14] Okay.

[2:20:15] I'm going to conclude the public hearing and receive the staff report and to have the appropriate legislation

[2:20:18] presented for council consideration.

[2:20:21] Second.

[2:20:23] roll call, Brian Gold, Barbara Stroke, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, Denise

[2:20:30] Mitchell, Vince Frachford, Tom Brunning, Justin Fowd, Michael Galba, that one passes,

[2:20:39] and that concludes our public hearings.

[2:20:42] I'm through consent agenda.

[2:20:47] Motion to approve the consent agenda.

[2:20:53] Oh, Barbara Stroke, Mark Hollander, Steve Hollander, Chris Kyle, Denise Mitchell,

[2:20:59] Ms. Ratchford, Tom Brunning, Justin Faust, Michael Galba, Brian Gold.

[2:21:08] Seeing you know items removed from the Senate General or Resolutions, bills for final

[2:21:13] passage, you move on to bills for an introduction place.

[2:21:15] Yes, and I'll just make a note that Council bills 1, 4, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1,

[2:21:22] 1, 4, 1, 2, 0, 1, 2, 0, 1 with drawn by the applicant this evening, so I will read the remainder

[2:21:27] of the bills for introduction tonight.

[2:21:29] Thank you.

[2:21:30] Those for introduction.

[2:21:31] Bill 1, 4, 1, 1, 1, and ordinance amending ordinance number 25-086 by amending certain revenue,

[2:21:37] expenditure, and fund balance accounts for the budget for the fiscal year, 2026, budget

[2:21:41] amendment number 10.

[2:21:43] Sponsor, Bart Habershow.

[2:21:44] Bill 1, 4, 1, 1, 2, and ordinance amending section 125.2, 4, 0, related to the composition

[2:21:50] of the Greater Saint Charles Convention and Visitors Commission by increasing its membership by one

[2:21:55] commissioner, Sponsor, Mark Hollander. Bill 1, 4113, an ordinance submitting chapter 400,

[2:22:01] the zoning code of the code of ordinances, specifically sections 400.220 and 400.230 to permit

[2:22:08] to permit recreational vehicle storage within the C-2 general business district. This sponsor

[2:22:30] Rals, Plat 17A, a subdivision of the city of St. Charles, Missouri, sponsor Michael Galba, bill 14116, an ordinance approving the record

[2:22:39] plot for the new town at St. Charles Plat 17B, a subdivision of the city of St. Charles, Missouri, sponsor Michael Galba, bill 1117, an ordinance

[2:22:49] and exing, certain adjacent, contiguous, land into the city of St. Charles, Missouri, and assigning the land to a designated

[2:22:55] Board of the City, being petitioned for annexation by 10-20 metal lane LLC of approximately

[2:23:01] 0.35 acres more or less of land known as 10-20 metal lanes, sponsor Justin Faust.

[2:23:08] Bill 14118, an ordinance rezoning to St. Charles City zoning district R-1E, single family

[2:23:14] residential district, from St. Charles County zoning district R-1E, single family residential

[2:23:19] district, a 0.35 acre more or less tractive land located at 10-20 metal lanes.

[2:23:25] in the next several bills are withdrawn, brings us to bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 2 and

[2:23:34] ordinance annexing certain adjacent contiguous land into the city of St. Charles

[2:23:38] Missouri and assigning the land to a designated ward of the city being petitioned

[2:23:42] for annexation by Steve Celen Shooter as trustee of the Roger Lee Celen Shooter

[2:23:48] Revocable Living Trust Agreement dated December 29, 1988.

[2:23:52] of approximately 5.7 acres overall, more or less of land,

[2:23:56] known as 1704 Muggy Road sponsors Denise Mitchell.

[2:24:00] Bill 1413, an ordinance resounding to St. Charles city zoning district,

[2:24:04] R-1E, single-family residential district from St. Charles County,

[2:24:09] zoning district, R-1E, single-family residential district,

[2:24:12] and overall 5.7 acre more or less tract of land located

[2:24:16] at 1704 Muggy Road sponsor Denise Mitchell.

[2:24:20] Bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 4, and ordinance rezoning to St. Charles City zoning district 3-3A, multiple family residential district,

[2:24:29] from St. Charles City zoning district, R-1E, single family residential district, and overall 8.39 acre more, less tract of land,

[2:24:38] located at 17, 0, 4, 17, 10, and 17, 12, Muggy road, sponsored Denise Mitchell.

[2:24:44] The 1-4-1-2-5, an ordinance rezoning to St. Charles City zoning district, PD-R, planned development residential district, from St. Charles City zoning district,

[2:24:54] R-3A, multiple family residential district, a tract of land of approximately 8.39 acres overall, more or less.

[2:25:01] Notice 17, 0, 4, 17, 10, and 17, 12, Nuky Road, and approving the preliminary development plan for the Stone Mossville's development,

[2:25:09] in connection there with Sponsor Denise Mitchell. Bill 14126, an ordinance authorizing the acquisition

[2:25:16] of right-of-way and easements required for the first capital drive improvements from this street to

[2:25:21] King's Highway Street project by purchase, donation or imminent domain, and authorizing and providing

[2:25:26] for continuing authority to execute all documents necessary for the acquisition of said right-of-way

[2:25:32] and or easements. Sponsor is Mark Hollander. Bill 14127, an ordinance rezoning to St. Charles

[2:25:38] City Zoning District PD-C planned development commercial from St. Charles City Zoning District

[2:25:44] C-2 General Business District, a track of land of approximately 5.85 acres overall more

[2:25:51] or less known as 936-938-940 and 948-HimSatth Road, and approving the preliminary

[2:25:57] development plan for the HimSatth Business Park and Connection therewith.

[2:26:01] bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 8, and ordinance amending section 2, 4, 5, 0, 2, 0 of the code of ordinances

[2:26:08] related to the permissible hours for the collection of garbage.

[2:26:11] Sponsor is Mark Hollander.

[2:26:14] Ms. Mitchell.

[2:26:16] Bill 1, 4, 1, 2, 5.

[2:26:18] Do we need a table that since it was not part of the public hearing, but it is part of the other

[2:26:25] three applications that we held open?

[2:26:28] I was just suggesting that John, as we go at next meeting, we'll get these in order and get them all straight now, so that we have the process going.

[2:26:37] I don't understand.

[2:26:38] Do we need a table that or not? No.

[2:26:41] One, two, one, two, five.

[2:26:42] They're all for intro, though.

[2:26:43] They're all for introduction. There's no final.

[2:26:47] So instead of finally, next time, we'll take what then with the public hearing.

[2:26:52] We'll take the final.

[2:26:54] Yeah.

[2:26:55] Okay, or look at the public hearing and we'll get it sorted out by then.

[2:27:02] And as John mentioned, I'll just add there will be supplemental RCA's and everything attached to all of your items for the next August 18th meeting.

[2:27:11] No emergency ordinances, no action on table bills, no hours for council action.

[2:27:16] Do we have a reason to go into closed session tonight?

[2:27:18] Yes, sir.

[2:27:19] Yes, I need a motion to go into close session relative to leasing purchase or sale of real estate

[2:27:25] where public knowledge of the transaction might diversely affect the legal consideration

[2:27:29] there for RSMO610O212 and also sealed bids and related documents until the bids are opened

[2:27:35] and sealed proposals and related documents or any documents related to a negotiated contract

[2:27:40] until a contract is executed or all proposals are rejected RSMO610O2112.

[2:27:46] I'll move. Thank you.

[2:27:49] Very roll call to go into close session. Mark Hollander.

[2:27:52] Steve Hollander. Chris Kyle. Denise Mitchell.

[2:27:56] Vince Rashford. Tom Brooney. Justin Faust. Michael Galba. Brian Gold.

[2:28:03] Bart Haverstrow.

City Council Regular Meeting, August 04, 2026

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