[0:00] Bear, Truxillo, Milligan, Gaines, here.

[0:04] Thank you very much.

[15:00] Local permanent application made by the applicant that is approved by the parish. So if the parish staff is saying that they don't have a complete application, then it should not be heard, because it's not complete, because the requirements are what is necessary. Okay, so I understand that all of you guys took your time off. That's why I'm trying to be very clear about everything that's going on tonight, because I respect your time, and I want to respect your time. So what we're hearing is

[15:29] And now is the merits of the case or not what we're talking about now.

[15:33] It's about whether we're postponing it or not.

[15:36] So I'm going to call on the speakers who wish to be heard to give you an opportunity.

[15:55] Thank you, sorry.

[15:57] Yes, sir.

[15:58] Good evening.

[16:00] While we are, I'll put it this way, we are tired of sort of being called back.

[16:08] I appreciate y'all's efforts, but it does seem like.

[16:13] us with no background yet have done an incredible amount of work in conditional technical

[16:19] briefs have been sent to you guys and it would seem that those who have professional experience

[16:26] would be done by now. However, I understand your position so we will not stand in the way

[16:31] we want to make sure this is done right and the appropriate decision has made.

[16:35] You know, and to be honest with you to give me time to go through that 300 page document that was sent to you know

[16:42] So it would it would not be unused unused time, okay? Okay. Thank you, Mr. Adams. Thank you. Scott

[16:49] Mr. Scott, do you wish to speak?

[16:56] Is that Mr. Scott? No, yes?

[17:01] Yes,

[17:06] sir

[17:08] Good evening

[17:09] And this is the third time we've come here.

[17:12] And of course, you know, that's getting postponed again.

[17:16] I understand that, you know, they need time to do their stuff.

[17:20] But I don't want a dirt pit right on my property line.

[17:25] I understand, and that's not worth it.

[17:26] I understand, yeah.

[17:27] So I've just, you know.

[17:29] So, and just so I want to make sure that you understand as well,

[17:34] the items that they have requested could materially change

[17:37] the application that is before us. So that's why it's difficult for us to move forward

[17:42] because if they do have a material change to the application, we need to hear that

[17:48] with the change involved.

[17:50] And I totally understand that. I appreciate it.

[17:52] And I, you know, I want everybody to get all their everything together so you can

[17:57] rightfully do what you need to do.

[17:58] Thank you very much.

[18:01] Linda Pippins.

[18:02] Yes,

[18:13] ma'am.

[18:14] I would just like to ask a question since last month, why the applicant didn't have time to get this information together, and why he's getting it together the day before?

[18:26] So my understanding, he did, when he was up here, he did give a timeline, there was a request for information that was just all like a week ago, and they did, they did provide that, but they provided the day prior to this meeting.

[18:39] So, you know, I understand with a conditional use permit, there could be a lot of additional stuff that's required.

[18:46] You know, there's a, there's an exchange back and forth between the petitioner and staff.

[18:50] I just think they just didn't have enough time to get it all in an appropriate time for them to review it.

[18:55] Right.

[18:56] And it just looks like us in the public that it's being the lady and-

[19:00] That's why I'm trying to be extraordinarily clear as to what's going on.

[19:02] Right.

[19:03] Okay.

[19:04] Thank you.

[19:04] Kevin Grief.

[19:06] Yes, sir.

[19:07] Thank you.

[19:08] I came here tonight fully prepared to oppose this postponement.

[19:14] Empty, completely empty file, the brief that we submitted shows that there's absolutely no business having a dirt pit in this location.

[19:25] File's not empty anymore and we need to look at it.

[19:29] So I'm speaking now briefly in support of the postponement so that we have a chance to look at what's been submitted.

[19:37] and respond to it appropriately.

[19:41] Thank you very much.

[19:43] Charles Newell,

[19:47] Mr. Newell.

[19:58] Thank you, I think that I actually thought

[20:01] I'd check the box, not to speak, but I'll be happy to speak.

[20:06] But the only question that I had was,

[20:11] and maybe I'm really not the brightest light in the room,

[20:15] but what kind of questions, what kind of things are, is the commission going to be looking at from the standpoint of approval or not approved?

[20:30] That's a great question.

[20:31] Could staff elaborate on the request that I am just to explain what their usage is so that everybody is a good understanding?

[20:41] We are requesting a existing and proposed drainage and fill plan, so to understand how the site is draining and where it feels being placed.

[20:52] Identification of the existing stream, the stream was not previously shown on the plans, so we're asking that to be shown.

[20:58] Proposed outfall structures, so we want to see where this site is draining.

[21:02] property lines, dimension to the proposed work area,

[21:06] meaning dimensions from each property line

[21:08] to the area where they're clearing is taking place,

[21:10] and the digging will take place,

[21:12] proposed hall road details to ensure

[21:15] that any kind of culvert sizing is appropriate,

[21:18] turn radius, things like that.

[21:20] Hydraulic and drainage calculations,

[21:22] damage trading compliance was section 960-3,

[21:27] including the required reduction in post-development peak

[21:30] runoff and supporting the 10 chain calculations to make sure that the site is adhering to basically

[21:36] all the required documentation in chapter 900 infrastructure that requires the site.

[21:41] I believe it's to, I'm not an engineer, so bear with me, but it's to show compliance with

[21:48] the fact that the site is going to improve drainage in the area, about to 25%.

[21:55] And a certified cut fill report verifying excavation volumes, cross sections identifying the normal water surface elevation and supporting grading information just so we can sell basically cross sections of the pond to see, you know, what's being dug and what the slips are things like that.

[22:13] Okay, so that would also include most of what I, some of these people are here for is the impact, which I didn't, I'm not sure I heard.

[22:22] That's exactly right.

[22:23] To everything that they are concerned about.

[22:26] That is correct.

[22:27] Okay, well I appreciate it and again, this was kind of impromptu.

[22:31] Absolutely.

[22:32] Thank you.

[22:33] Thank you very much.

[22:34] Anyone else in the audience who is to speak in favor or against?

[22:38] Okay, I'll bring it back to the commission.

[22:40] Commission, Commissioner Roper.

[22:42] Thank you.

[22:44] Okay, I want to be quick.

[22:45] I'll apologize.

[22:47] It's been a chaotic one.

[22:49] Staff is reminding me that we have to give Mr. Shane a rebuttal period.

[22:54] Do you wish to use it?

[22:56] Okay.

[22:59] Initial time.

[23:01] Okay.

[23:02] All right.

[23:02] I want to hit your mic again.

[23:06] Thank you.

[23:08] Okay.

[23:12] Staff, Mr. Shane, how far are we away from having the documents?

[23:16] Are we realistically looking at a one-month postponement here, or is this going to happen again in a month?

[23:22] We have the documents. We got them today this morning.

[23:25] Okay, my next question, back and forth with engineering.

[23:30] How do we anticipate, so we anticipate that in a month this will be ready fully to be heard.

[23:35] We anticipate within a month we should be able to review it, get comments back, and I would assume in a time frame that allows the petitioner to turn new plans around addressing.

[23:45] those comments. Mr. Shane, do you concur? Are we?

[23:49] I concur, but I respectfully request and hope that staff can perhaps get us the comments

[23:56] sooner than a week before next meeting. If there are any. And that's not a criticism.

[24:02] I understand they workload. But I believe that based on the meeting we had yesterday, we

[24:09] made a full production this morning, engineering department today suggested they would need

[24:14] 25 to seven working days to evaluate what we tendered this morning.

[24:19] So assuming they can hold to that schedule and we get feedback, that should give us a chance if necessary to submit revisions and keep us on track for September hearing.

[24:31] Thank you, Mr. Shane.

[24:33] Okay, in light of this comment, so looking at the laundry list of items that are missing for this conditional use permit, my main concern is the temporary erosion control plan.

[24:43] because everyone in this room is terrified

[24:46] that this is going to contaminate their well

[24:48] and their drinking water.

[24:49] That being said, prior to our last meeting,

[24:52] I contacted the well-driller who was on the majority

[24:55] of the driller's logs for this area.

[24:57] I learned so much about the aquifers in this area.

[25:03] The reason I am in favor of postponement

[25:06] is because all of these wells are water table aquifer wells,

[25:10] which means that the creek actually feeds

[25:12] the aquifer itself. And there are some wells not far from this property that are dug at a more

[25:20] shallow depth because it is less expensive to dig that depth of a well, and that creek actively

[25:26] feeds. So if the erosion control plan is not rock solid, then the fear of everybody in this room

[25:33] is going to come to fruition. And I don't want to take that chance. So that being said, I would like to

[25:39] To ask the folks who are in this room for this conditional use permit, are you accessing our packets before the meeting and reading the actual, the full blown every staff report?

[25:49] I would like to request that in our next meeting that you read that packet and if there is a recommendation from staff and therefore postponement, please feel free to reach out to us.

[26:00] Because we will not put through something on a conditional use permit because the ramifications for us approving something.

[26:07] without all of the information are way too high.

[26:11] Please, please reach out to the commission to find out, I'm just going to tell you,

[26:16] I have no intention of voting on anything that the staff recommends we postpone.

[26:20] Because I'm not a civil engineer, I'm not an APA planner like our staff are.

[26:25] I rely on the professionals and I trust them who work for this department.

[26:29] So if they recommend postponement, I'm inclined to grant it.

[26:33] So read the packet before hand, and if it says that they request postponement, it takes you guys 30 minutes to get here.

[26:41] It's not fair to drag you guys out every month because we're missing an engineering page.

[26:48] That being said, I would like to make a motion to postpone for one month if staff and Mr. Schaener confident that we can get this done in one month.

[26:56] Injury department did respond to say five to seven days.

[27:01] Motion to postpone for one month.

[27:03] Motion to postpone for one month, commission to repair, commission to see her.

[27:08] Thank you all for coming out.

[27:10] My question is for staff.

[27:13] Item two on tonight's agenda specifically lists ward five and district six.

[27:21] Will that impact case number one?

[27:26] in any way, shape, or form?

[27:30] Do you read that?

[27:31] Say it in the record, please.

[27:33] No, or not.

[27:35] I'll second.

[27:37] Can I mention the Royal Bears motion?

[27:43] Yeah, any agency changes.

[27:45] Yeah, I get you.

[27:46] All right, so we have a motion to postpone for one month

[27:49] and a second, please vote.

[27:56] Motion to postpone, one month carries.

[28:00] Please tell me you don't have any more postponments.

[28:02] Do you want to ask Jeff if he wants to vote if you still want us to distribute that or if he wants to think about it?

[28:18] Hey guys, we have a full meeting still so please take your conversations out.

[28:43] I don't love the one.

[28:45] What is it?

[28:45] opportunity for the

[28:48] new

[28:50] local

[28:50] perfect

[28:51] and

[28:53] and

[28:54] and

[28:55] and

[28:56] and

[29:02] and

[29:08] Yeah, I thought it was not going to get you by the time.

[29:11] Thank you.

[29:12] You know, Britain did a good job out there.

[29:15] Better get out.

[29:16] Yeah.

[29:17] It's just everybody has to do their part.

[29:19] Yes.

[29:21] Yes.

[29:23] Thank you.

[29:32] Thank you.

[29:32] I don't know.

[29:35] When is our next building?

[29:38] September first.

[29:40] September first.

[29:45] And then you look at that one.

[29:48] You tell me some questions.

[29:51] Okay, get some stuff.

[29:52] When's our next building?

[30:04] Okay, so I'm assuming we don't have any additional postponements, Helen. Okay, so we're starting off with item number four on the agenda.

[30:16] No, yes, not too.

[30:22] We're going to get through this quick.

[30:26] Mike. Item number four, 2026, 4716, ZC, large lot, residential district, proposed zoning, S1, suburban, residential district, location, parking,

[30:37] Marshall is located on the south side of Firetile Road, west of LA Highway 59, being 21, 31, 0, Firetile Road, Manaville, Ward 4, District 11, 0.6 acres.

[30:51] Nicholas Nelson is the petitioner and owner.

[30:55] Staff?

[30:56] The applicant is requesting to rezone a 0.6 acre parcel from L1 large lot residential district S1.

[31:03] And there's currently an existing single-family residence on the property, and the objective of the request is to be able to subdivide the property to be able to build another single-family residence on the property.

[31:15] Just to inform the board, you may or may not have had a chance to look at the email that I forwarded you in regards to this particular case, which came to me at 4.35 this afternoon and I forwarded it to you.

[31:32] So if one of the commission wants to read it, also, there's other people here in the audience

[31:37] who are still filling out speaker cards and that particular case just wanted to let you know, Mr. Chairman.

[31:42] Thank you.

[31:45] Is the petitioner Mr. Nelson here?

[31:47] Yes, sir.

[31:47] Yes, sir, come on forward.

[31:49] Do you have anything to add?

[31:50] I

[31:54] don't have anything to add, no.

[31:57] All right, thank you very much.

[31:59] All right, thank you.

[32:00] Does anyone else in the audience wish to speak in favor?

[32:04] I have one speaker card, do we have some others?

[32:09] Thank you, Ben.

[32:18] Okay, I have one against Mr. Dale Norman, yes sir.

[32:31] Yes sir, I'm a resident fire tire road.

[32:35] We have several other residents that here, we all oppose this.

[32:39] Our zoning has been on L1, I've been there for 30 years and it's been that all the way.

[32:47] And by putting the smaller allowing these S1s in is going to, we think over populate.

[32:55] Number one, we're all on wells, we're all on septic sewage treatment systems.

[33:01] And the infrastructure there is not one to handle it.

[33:05] just a few new residents that have popped up

[33:08] because a lot of traffic problems on a dead end road.

[33:13] And I think one of the most important things

[33:15] is that that road is so narrow

[33:18] that the school bus drivers have refused to come back

[33:22] to the end of the road to pick up our kit.

[33:25] It's a little more than 12.5 foot wide at the end.

[33:29] So a school bus trying to pass vehicles,

[33:32] We've had several people that have complained, they went into ditch.

[33:36] The one school bus had backed into a telephone pole and refused to come back.

[33:41] Now this has been going on for four years for that part.

[33:45] By putting this S1, there's a lot of other properties along there that we think it's gonna open up to other contractors who are going to want to come in and put these small houses in this area.

[34:01] And being that the dead end, I am at the very dead end and they come down and turn around a lot of times with trailers and everything else and there's really no room to do this.

[34:13] So we're in opposition of it and right now all of my neighbors, there's probably almost a dozen here that are filling out the cards to oppose it.

[34:23] And we're asking the council not to approve it.

[34:26] Okay, well, yeah, three more minutes left. So I'm gonna take anybody else who wants to come up. Okay, anyone else wish to speak against?

[34:37] My name is Mike. I'm also resident pre-vote road. I've also been there for 32 years

[34:45] Yeah, we are trying we have a very thin road like he said

[34:50] It's very hard now to get up and down the street and

[34:55] most of our properties are

[34:58] I own three-and-a-half acres, they're mostly an acre or two, and like you said it's

[35:04] going to open us up for a bunch of traffic on a dead-end road, and we're

[35:10] packed already. We've had, like you said, school bus accidents. You can't pass. If a

[35:15] school bus is coming, you have to put in somewhere's driveway or go to the

[35:20] actual fire tower, and that's it. I'm just supposed. That's all. Thank you.

[35:25] that you give her your card, please?

[35:27] Anyone else in the audience who's to speak against?

[35:33] Come on.

[35:38] There are two minutes, anybody else wants to speak?

[35:40] Come on deck.

[35:41] Oh, well, my name is Malcolm Farmer.

[35:44] I live across the street from the properties

[35:45] that they're trying to re-zone.

[35:47] The property across the street used to be a septic pool.

[35:51] It has a spray system on the house now that sprays

[35:55] all of the way into the woods and everything right now.

[35:58] The property is not really large enough.

[36:00] The property out there has had a lot of issues between the surveys and everything.

[36:05] There's actually a piece of property in between a new house that's being built in the property they're trying to rezone.

[36:11] It's only about 20 feet wide and it goes into a triangle, about 30 feet into the woods.

[36:16] It's all mixed up, crossed over, everything's all kind of squirreling on it.

[36:20] But the house over there has been worked on a couple of times already by different contractors and things.

[36:26] And we're not seeing any kind of permits or any kind of inspections being done on the home or anything yet.

[36:34] So we're kind of curious what's going on and now that they're trying to change it and

[36:39] divide the property up to put more houses on it.

[36:42] We're not sure about how this is all going to operate when things aren't being done properly in the first place it seems.

[36:48] Thank you.

[36:49] Okay.

[36:51] Anyone else in the audience who's to speak against?

[36:54] Yes, sir?

[36:55] You have one minute.

[36:56] There's going to be some additional time afterwards, but.

[36:59] Patron McCollough, the one far-tower road, and my driveway is somewhat circular.

[37:05] And because of how narrow the road is, that people drive through my driveway.

[37:11] If there was more houses put on far-tower road, that's that many people coming down one way.

[37:18] Cannot turn around when they get to the very end of the road.

[37:21] There's not a area of city property to turn around at the end of the road and that's a problem for all of us.

[37:31] Is this parish road?

[37:34] Is it parish road?

[37:35] Yes, it is.

[37:36] Okay.

[37:37] Thank you.

[37:38] So.

[37:38] I'm curious.

[37:39] Yeah.

[37:40] And that's, you know, why I'm against mainly the traffic.

[37:44] Thank you.

[37:45] Did you fill out a card?

[37:46] Yes.

[37:46] Okay.

[37:47] Do you turn that in for me?

[37:51] Anyone else in the audience who's to speak against?

[37:54] Mr. Nelson, this is your rebuttal time.

[37:57] You have three minutes.

[38:02] All right, first off, I'd like to say that the lot that I have,

[38:07] when I sub-divine it, it's still going to be about the same size as every other house in the neighborhood.

[38:14] Yes, it is.

[38:15] No, no, no, no, no, no.

[38:17] Yes, it is.

[38:17] It's his time to speak.

[38:18] We don't, we're not looking at that.

[38:19] I'll look it up on DO portal and I'll look at everyone.

[38:22] All right. All right. All right. Let me let me let me explain how this works. Guys. He's up here. He's going to speak. You speak to us. You don't speak to the crowd or anybody else. Yeah, you ask us questions. We can.

[38:32] As far as the fellow say in no permits, there's a big old permit placard on the front on the on the on the temporary power pole on the house. You know, I mean, that's just ridiculous. He's making stuff. Okay. Any other comments? No, I mean, it's just like I said, 0.30 of an acre is what I'm trying to get it down to.

[38:51] And there's not many houses, any property, many properties on that road that are bigger than that.

[38:57] There's a couple, but not many.

[39:00] All right, thank you.

[39:04] Sir, I'm going to ask you, if you do that again, I'm going to have you removed, okay?

[39:10] Do not speak and comment to the audience.

[39:13] Just a morning.

[39:15] Thank you.

[39:17] Anyone else wish to speak? Use your rebuttal time to speak against. This is your time.

[39:22] Do you have any other comments that you'd like to make?

[39:27] Come on.

[39:30] If you'll check on zoning planning and things on the property around there,

[39:34] most of the acreage around there are 1 acre lots and that's what the homes are on.

[39:39] I tried to subdivide to be able to put a home on mine before my son.

[39:43] They told me I couldn't do it. They wouldn't allow it.

[39:45] So that's why we're trying to say that almost everybody out there has between 1 to 5 to 10 acres or more.

[39:53] And we're trying not to do this because right now it's going to affect our water supplies where we keep on tapping in the wells.

[40:00] We don't have city service. We don't have surge for the city. We don't have water from the city.

[40:06] So we're constantly drilling into the ground and dropping more waste into the ground and tapping more water out of our huck for fear.

[40:13] So that's why we're trying to find out, you know, where's it's going to stop because there is other properties on that on that street that are for sale.

[40:23] And that's not that's not going to stop anybody from coming in and putting in different places.

[40:28] And lately what we've been seeing is a couple of people have come in, bought up FEMA trailers and renting them out as section 8 property.

[40:39] And so, things are starting to change and we're trying to get a handle on this because we can't keep having all these things going through like this.

[40:48] And so, I'm just trying to say that somebody needs to do either a study on the impact of it because our roads are horrible, our ditches are really terrible.

[41:00] And they're constantly trying to do things on that property and stuff.

[41:04] Thank you very much, sir.

[41:05] Thank you.

[41:06] Can I add one thing?

[41:07] Yes, sir.

[41:08] Come up to the microphone.

[41:09] Okay, I just want to add one thing.

[41:12] You have a minute left, okay?

[41:13] Okay, okay.

[41:14] I just want to add today, I went over to the planning zone and I looked at it and

[41:18] we both agree that every piece of property on both sides of five tile road is the L1 designation.

[41:26] So it's no small lot, so whatever, how you want to look at it is L1.

[41:31] Thank you very much.

[41:33] Anyone else wish to speak?

[41:36] Okay, public comment is over.

[41:38] I'll bring it back to the Commission and Commissioner Robair.

[41:41] Thank you.

[41:42] I want to clear something up.

[41:43] I think there's confusion over the property size in this area because this is actually currently

[41:48] a non-conforming lot of record from what I'm seeing.

[41:51] It is 0.6 acres and full, but it is zoned for one acre.

[41:58] So while it already falls short of the zoning designation, it's what's considered a non-conforming lot of record.

[42:04] However, there is no S1 in this immediate area.

[42:08] Sir, if there are truly manufactured homes being placed on properties on fire tower road,

[42:14] I would highly encourage you to call the parish because there is no manufacturer housing overlay on that route as of right now,

[42:21] which means that they are in violation of parish code.

[42:25] So please reach out to the permit office and file a complaint.

[42:28] It's okay, no, it's okay, thank you, though.

[42:34] And if you have already complained and they haven't responded, call them again.

[42:43] Okay.

[42:45] That's fine, they can't replace them in that case.

[42:48] Okay, my main concern with this is the fact that fire tower road is just south and

[42:55] Barely skirts the line of the Dove Park, I'm sorry, not Dove Park.

[43:00] The Helen Burke and Soul Road area of special concern, which tells me we already have drainage problems in this area.

[43:07] I drive 59 every single day.

[43:09] I'm going to pass this again to get home to a beta.

[43:12] I just can't see adding density of 0.3 acres, two homes on a property that is just over a half acre.

[43:21] So I would make a motion to deny.

[43:22] All right.

[43:23] Okay.

[43:23] Motion to deny a commission, Robert.

[43:25] Commissioner Seger.

[43:27] I have a question for Mr. Nelson.

[43:30] Please.

[43:31] Mr. Nelson.

[43:32] Come on to the microphone, please, sir.

[43:38] Mr. Nelson.

[43:38] Yes, sir.

[43:39] Have you purchased this lot already?

[43:41] Yes, I own it.

[43:42] And how long have you owned it?

[43:44] I bought it at the end of last year.

[43:47] Okay.

[43:48] And I mean, the house that they're building next door to my light is 0.308.

[43:53] Well, you know, and they just bought that life.

[43:56] My question is, when you had the survey done,

[44:01] were you aware that it was, did not meet the standards

[44:05] for L1 large, lot residential?

[44:09] Yeah, I was told by Councilman, Mr. Arthur Langland,

[44:13] that I could rezone it.

[44:16] He's in favor of it.

[44:19] I have

[44:23] a problem with a couple of things, the smallest of it, and all of the lots around

[44:32] there, northeast south and west are already, you know, one.

[44:37] But if you look at the lot sizes of them, maybe farther down the road, they're a little bigger,

[44:41] but I mean, they're generally, you know, 100 foot furniture or smaller until you get to

[44:48] the back.

[44:49] I'm going to second Mr. Robert's thank you very much sir. Thank you. Thank you

[45:00] We have a motion to deny in a second. Any further discussion? Please vote.

[45:13] Motion to deny carries.

[45:18] Item number five. Item

[45:24] number five, 2026, 4725, ZC, existing zoning is ruled residential district. Proposed zoning, L1, large light residential district. Location parts were located in the south and east sides of the church. Petitioner and owner, Rudolph, Stahl.

[45:50] The applicant is requesting to rezone 3.09 acres from R1 rural residential district to L1 large lot residential district.

[46:01] The subject property is developed with the existing single family residents.

[46:05] The minimum lot area required for the L1 district is 1 acre with a minimum lot width of 150 feet.

[46:14] Excuse me, if approved that can may apply for a minor subdivision to create 31-8 relapse.

[46:22] Is the petitioner here?

[46:25] Is there, do you have anything to add?

[46:27] Do you have any comments about your petition?

[46:30] No, I have nothing to add if the staff is satisfied with our application.

[46:36] If it's all in order, then I request the approval.

[46:40] All right, thank you very much.

[46:45] All

[46:49] right. Anyone any audience wish to speak in favor? Anyone opposed? We'll bring it back

[46:56] to the commission. Commissioner Rivera. Okay, so while this property does not directly

[47:04] abide other L1, there is scattered L1 all over this area. So I don't necessarily have an issue

[47:10] with this one. I would like to, however, point out, I'm assuming this last drawing that we

[47:15] We have the preliminary resubdivision.

[47:17] One of those lots is currently short of the 150 foot width requirement that it needs

[47:25] to be in place for L1.

[47:27] So I'm sure staff already may have, did staff already speak to the petitioner regarding

[47:33] that?

[47:33] I'm just going to have to have a waiver in the planning stage.

[47:38] I don't see a waiver in the planning, be in planning.

[47:41] No, I know.

[47:42] I know.

[47:42] I'm just making sure that they, okay.

[47:46] Okay, it is short by 25 feet right now.

[47:48] If you guys can adjust that, I would highly recommend it because then you're going to have to come in front of us for a waiver, which that's another meeting you'll have to go to when you do the resub division.

[48:03] I'd like to make a motion to approve this one.

[48:05] Okay, motion to approve, Commissioner Robair, Commissioner Martino.

[48:11] So can the petitioner come up, so with those comments, does that make sense?

[48:20] I just want to make sure, so staff is going to make sure that you're aware of.

[48:26] My name is Carl Stahl.

[48:28] I live at 12291 McDonald Road, which is right in front of Burt Lane.

[48:34] I've lived there since 1965, one my wife has since 1965.

[48:40] I know the area well.

[48:41] on McDonald Road there are 50 foot lots, that's on there so we're actually for one acre so that and keep all our family together and I know it falls a little bit short but we're unaware of that.

[48:58] Let me can I pause for one second I have no issue with this and I think staff would also make some

[49:07] Recommendations, but we just want to eliminate

[49:10] The process of having to come back in front of us. Okay, we're pushing and I appreciate all y'all do

[49:16] I know you go through hell what time we have in front of us this complete. So we have no I have no objection

[49:22] You're off. Thank you. You're awesome. Thank you sir. I make a second to approve. We have a motion

[49:28] Question in a second to approve.

[49:30] I see no further discussion, please vote.

[49:40] Motion to approve, carries.

[49:44] Item number six, 2026, 47, 27, ZC, existing zoning,

[49:49] rural residential district, and rural overlay, proposed zoning,

[49:54] rural residential district, rural overlay, and MHL manufacturing home overlay.

[49:59] Location, partial is located on the west side of LA 40.

[50:04] and the south side of Sturmer Drive Busch,

[50:08] Ward 2 District 6, 2.6 acres,

[50:11] petitioner is Summer Hudson.

[50:13] Owners are Chase and Tiffany Hudson.

[50:16] Staff?

[50:17] The applicant is requesting to resound the 2.68 acres

[50:21] from R2, rural residential district,

[50:24] rural overlay to R2, rural residential district,

[50:29] rural overlay and a manufacturer housing overlay.

[50:33] The current property is developed with an existing manufacturer home, which is a non-conforming

[50:38] structure.

[50:40] In your packet, there is a map showing that much of the surrounding property along both

[50:44] the east and west sides of highway 40 is designated with the MHL manufacturer housing overlay.

[50:51] If approved, the applicant may apply for a building permit to place manufacturer home on the

[50:56] property.

[50:57] In addition to the existing non-conforming manufacturer home, we'll be brought into compliance

[51:01] with the appropriate zoning.

[51:04] Thank you. Mr. Hudson.

[51:08] Come on.

[51:10] You fill that in a card here. I'm assuming that you wanted to speak, so.

[51:15] One that you're actually needing me to or not.

[51:18] Come on forward.

[51:20] You have anything to add. You walked all the way.

[51:22] I might as well say something.

[51:23] Good evening. Thank you for everything you all do.

[51:26] Like the gentleman said, you all go through enough as it is.

[51:29] And we're actually not here.

[51:30] We're actually here because of the lack of our permits and our planning.

[51:34] We actually had a home there by wife and I lost our home in Katrina.

[51:38] And we actually put a small, we were actually planning to build there.

[51:41] And then the housing market crash and we ended up buying that trailer actually burned.

[51:47] And when we attempted within about eight months of it burning,

[51:51] they refused to give us back a permit, but your own ordinances say you have to.

[51:57] So we fought with permits, so we did this, we tried this a second time, then we got into planning and zoning, and then this last time we went to planning and zoning, I tried to, they said, well, you passed the new ordinance that said you can't have a manufactured home with a 300 feet.

[52:12] I said, I'd be glad to put it 300 feet, are you paying for it? And when they looked at me and said, are you crazy?

[52:18] And I said, no, you won't mean our property has a natural branch, which now means state federal regulations have to be passed because of the water.

[52:27] Then you have to build it up, and I said, if you're well, and then we started to finally talk, and

[52:31] once we were able to show them that this process was lost in whatever gain, they said we would bring it up.

[52:38] We'd have to go through this process of rezoning the pads already there, the septic system is still there in up to code.

[52:44] There's still a poll there, we just simply want to put it back to allow my oldest daughter, her husband and our grandson, and future granddaughter coming to have a rest.

[52:54] Congratulations, thank you.

[52:55] Thank you very much, yes sir, appreciate it.

[52:58] Anyone else in the audience who are speaking favor, anyone opposed?

[53:03] Bring it back to the Commission, Commissioner Rivera.

[53:06] I don't have a problem with this, there's a lot of MHO in this area, while there's not a ton directly on the highway.

[53:13] I really don't have a problem with it.

[53:15] It's a property that's had a mobile or

[53:17] being a factory home there forever.

[53:20] Mr. Hudson, are you an SRO?

[53:23] Thank you for your service to our parish, our students, and

[53:27] God bless you this week, going back to school.

[53:29] We need it.

[53:30] We're going to be praying for you.

[53:32] That being said, I would like to make a motion to approve.

[53:35] Motion to approve, commission, repair, commission, seeker.

[53:38] I have a couple of questions for you.

[53:40] You are really just a statement, long time no see.

[53:50] Are you aware of the parishes requirements in terms of manufactured housing?

[53:57] I am now, to date, yes.

[53:59] Okay, and you're in agreement that, to follow those requirements?

[54:05] Absolutely, they're going to, you know, my daughter and her son, we already know all this is doing is allowing them

[54:09] but to start the process, they're going to pass all in every code that they have to from there.

[54:14] I'll second the motion.

[54:15] We have a motion in a second.

[54:16] Commissioner Mark Tino, good job.

[54:19] All right, no further comments.

[54:21] You can sit down.

[54:22] Thank you, sir.

[54:22] Thank you.

[54:23] No further discussion.

[54:25] We have a motion in a second.

[54:26] Please vote.

[54:31] Motion to approve, carries.

[54:35] Item number eight.

[54:37] I have number eight, 2026, 4737, ZC.

[54:41] Existing zoning large light residential district and RO proposed zoning L1 large light residential district and

[54:49] Manufactured housing overlay and we're a lowly location parts are located on a north side of L.A.

[54:56] 40 and west side of short street Covington Ward 2 district 2

[55:00] 1.45 acres

[55:03] Petitioners there in an April go mess

[55:07] staff

[55:09] The applicant is requesting to reason on 1.45 acres from L1 large lot residential district and rule overlay to an L1 large lot residential district manufacturer housing overlay and a rule overlay.

[55:24] The subject property is currently developed with a single family residence as shown in the map below.

[55:32] No, just a surrounding property, both Eastern West size of highway 40, have the surrounding manufacturer housing overlay.

[55:39] If approved, the applicant may apply for a building permit to place a manufacturer home on the property.

[55:46] Okay, Ms. Gomez.

[55:49] Mr. Gomez?

[55:51] I didn't know which one was going to be here, so.

[55:53] You better ask, so you know.

[55:54] Yeah, any comments?

[55:57] Yeah, just quickly, I just wanted to give the circumstance for the rezoning.

[56:01] My father-in-law passed away, and my mother-in-law is going to be moving from under Louisiana down to the area, and this was a good, close place, and we had the acreage to be able to put a trailer on there so that we could essentially take care of her for the remainder of her life, though.

[56:15] Okay, thank you very much.

[56:17] Anyone else in the audience who's to speak in favor?

[56:20] Anyone opposed?

[56:22] Bring it back to the Commission and Commissioner Martino.

[56:27] I know the area very well, and I believe with the size of the lot, and also the proximity of other MHOs, in this case, it's appropriate.

[56:38] So I have no objection, I make a motion to approve.

[56:41] Motion to approve, Commissioner Martino, Commissioner Seger.

[56:47] I'm looking at

[56:50] item seven in the middle of the paragraph as a result, this would require multiple

[56:59] variances with the Board of Adjustments.

[57:02] We're not, item number seven on the agenda with-

[57:05] No, item seven on Sanford.

[57:08] Okay.

[57:11] Are you on the right, right?

[57:13] I am-

[57:15] Maybe not, we're on, we're on, we're on 2027, 4737.

[57:22] No, I'm not,

[57:26] you should out up and let somebody else.

[57:28] Okay.

[57:30] Commissioner Rivera.

[57:31] I don't have a problem with this one, either, however question for staff.

[57:36] Considering that they're, I don't have much experience with manufactured housing.

[57:41] Do they need to re-subtivate this property in order to put a manufacturer home on it,

[57:46] Since there's an existing residence, he can be a second residence, as long as it's under 20 to 2500 square feet.

[57:58] Perfect, okay, I was just making sure thank you so much for clarifying.

[58:03] I'd like to second Commissioner Martino's motion to approve.

[58:07] Okay, we have a motion and a second, Commissioner Martino, do you want to add something?

[58:15] That's the best way to do it.

[58:18] All right, we have a motion in a second.

[58:20] I see no further discussion, please vote.

[58:30] Motion to approve, carries.

[58:34] Item number 9, 2026, 4738, ZC, Existing, Zoning,

[58:38] large library, residential district,

[58:41] proposed on a highway, commercial district, location, parcel,

[58:44] located on the east side of LA-1085.

[58:47] 5. North of Boudre Accord, Madisonville Ward 1 District 1.64 acres, petitioner, and owner, Ali Carter.

[58:58] Staff,

[59:02] you want to rock paper scissors for it?

[59:07] The applicant's request to resound 0.64 acres from L1, large lot residential district to HD1, highway commercial district.

[59:17] The parcels located on the east side of L8 and 85 north of Boudre Accord in Madisonville.

[59:22] So the subject property is currently undeveloped.

[59:28] Okay, Ms. Carter, do you have any comments?

[59:32] No, you don't have to, it's all good.

[59:36] Yeah, the purpose of me resulning it is I'd like to open up a coffee shop.

[59:40] This land's been in our family for over 100 years, it's just got tricked down to me.

[59:47] Okay, all right, cool, all right, thank you very much.

[59:50] Yes, anyone else in the audience wish to speak in favor?

[1:00:00] Anyone opposed? Bring it back to the Commission, Commissioner Roberta. I'm going to hate me about the end of this because I would love nothing more than a drive-through coffee shop on the way to my mother-in-law's house, driving down Boot Lager. That would make me so happy. But at the same time, the location of this is less than half a mile from Brewster Road and it's right next to Pedals. Now, I drove that like a week ago, not even a week ago. And I wanted to stop

[1:00:30] It's petals, right?

[1:00:31] Four petals, the nursery right next door.

[1:00:34] I was hoping to stop there on the way to pick my kids up.

[1:00:38] And it was like a blinking you miss it moment.

[1:00:42] It's right in that curve on that highway.

[1:00:45] And I selfishly would love nothing more

[1:00:49] than to see this beautiful bright young woman

[1:00:51] open up a drive-through coffee shop on that road somewhere.

[1:00:54] But this is not a good spot for it.

[1:00:56] And I'm just not in favor of it.

[1:00:58] I'm so sorry, so I would make a motion to deny for that reason.

[1:01:06] Okay, we have a motion on the floor to deny Commissioner Martino.

[1:01:13] I go to four pedals very often, I agree it's difficult to get in and out to say the least.

[1:01:23] I don't see any reason with the application or what you submitted.

[1:01:27] I don't necessarily agree it's unsafe.

[1:01:32] I think it's not convenient.

[1:01:34] However, the properties and

[1:01:37] the neighborhoods that I frequent up and down to 85 are expanding.

[1:01:44] B. Dakota Creek and some others.

[1:01:48] Personally, I would love to operate the nursery that would be next door if this were approved.

[1:01:54] That's a side irrelevant, but I think there's potential. I've seen it myself. So you even said you know it would be very good.

[1:02:06] If it maybe wasn't such a blink of an eye turn,

[1:02:13] I'll make a motion to approve just based on I don't see a safety issue.

[1:02:19] I don't see this not being conformant with other very nearby businesses.

[1:02:28] So those are my comments, that's my move.

[1:02:32] Thank you, I want to just get a clarification from looking at it on the map at everything where pedals is.

[1:02:40] It looks like are you talking about the southbound turn from sin-any-five as it comes down?

[1:02:45] You think that that is because it looks like it's pretty, pretty far down past that.

[1:02:52] Even though pedals you might blink, it's a small one, you might blink if you miss it, but I just want to.

[1:02:57] I'm sorry, I apologize, the curve is actually to the south of this, I believe, let me double check.

[1:03:04] Because it looks, if it's right next to pedals, because you gave me the landmark, that's why I went back to look at it.

[1:03:10] So if it's, is it right, could you come up here?

[1:03:12] Just we want to make sure we understand where the location is appropriately.

[1:03:18] Yeah, I is budding up to four pedals. It is on the highway. It's the dot dash lines. It's not the double line.

[1:03:26] So it's not right in the curve. No, it's not right in the curve.

[1:03:30] It's that the curve is like right the curves to the south of it.

[1:03:34] I don't mean if you want to talk about something in a curve.

[1:03:37] Hundreds of people live in Bico Creek, which is right directly in a curve.

[1:03:42] So people are dealing with that every day.

[1:03:44] Believe me, I hate myself, first say in that I would love nothing more than to see this right there.

[1:03:51] I just, I know when I drove past pedals to stop there, I couldn't do it.

[1:03:57] I had to turn around because you come up that curve and it's right there.

[1:04:03] And a drive through coffee shop in this area is going to generate so everybody's going to go.

[1:04:09] How deep is the prop big is the property that you have there?

[1:04:14] I'm going to get it wider than it is narrower.

[1:04:18] It's just like a $1,000 by $900.

[1:04:23] It's $191.05 feet on $1085 and it's $147.14 feet.

[1:04:30] That's all in the survey.

[1:04:32] Sorry, that was my side note there.

[1:04:35] Commissioner Walker?

[1:04:37] No, you're good, Chairman.

[1:04:39] Yeah, this is my little corridor here.

[1:04:41] I live right over in Gus Island, and I have the sweet shop by Beatico supermarket, and

[1:04:46] we tried to do coffee in that area, and there is a massive need for it.

[1:04:51] I'm sitting over here torn, disagree with both sides of my fellow commissioners here.

[1:04:58] It's just in a weird spot.

[1:05:00] Yes, you have the pedals right there, but I do think that corridor further south is

[1:05:07] towards the 22 and 1085 intersection

[1:05:10] is gonna be commercialized here soon.

[1:05:13] So I think there's a need in that area

[1:05:17] as we all know that traverse that 1085 daily.

[1:05:22] It's, you have the traffic there.

[1:05:24] I wish you all the success in that.

[1:05:27] I think it will do very well there.

[1:05:32] It's a tricky one because it's surrounded by residential here.

[1:05:36] But I think it fits.

[1:05:40] I have one question for staff, though.

[1:05:42] Does HC1 permit drive-through coffee shops?

[1:05:45] I thought that would be under a AC2.

[1:05:50] Little's verify.

[1:05:52] Just one moment.

[1:05:55] I like a quote unquote food established.

[1:06:01] The coffee shop itself is definitely

[1:06:03] allowed.

[1:06:04] It's the drive-through.

[1:06:08] I don't know that you did you, Miss Carter.

[1:06:10] Did you specifically say you wanted

[1:06:12] to do a drive-through. We're not like putting words in your mouth, right? I mean, you're...

[1:06:16] I wanted to get it zone drive through. Okay. Because of what if you decide later, you know,

[1:06:21] if you want to start off just still on, you know, inside stuff, and then later you want to do

[1:06:25] a drive-through, then you have to come back and get it reason-long. Yes, ma'am.

[1:06:30] If you all look at number six in your your staff report, it speaks to the minimum

[1:06:34] standards for a drive-through in HC1, so it's permitted subject to those minimum standards.

[1:06:39] Gotcha.

[1:06:41] Okay. I see those.

[1:06:44] So and just just as a as a side note, you know if it's permitted at HC one with a drive-thru a

[1:06:52] Dacquery shop would also be able to be put there right not necessarily that would be HC 3 to acquire the

[1:07:02] Have the uh because when we try to do that we had the lit rooster up on 1077 to okay and yeah drive through Dacquery

[1:07:10] So I've got a clear there, you want to make a motion?

[1:07:14] I will second the motion to approve.

[1:07:16] Okay, we have motion to approve and a second Commissioner Blanchard.

[1:07:20] Yeah, I just have a question just to try to address the traffic concern.

[1:07:26] I don't know the answer to this and maybe some one in the room does, but

[1:07:29] what does it look like to get a set of those flashing caution lights near the curve?

[1:07:35] right? Would that help at all? And is that doable?

[1:07:40] So 1085 is

[1:07:45] a state highway.

[1:07:48] So when we're talking with, what I would also love to see is a center

[1:07:52] terminally would be to go creep with 900 homes and people come in.

[1:07:58] It's, we all know that's where I'm going to go creep is a great example of maybe

[1:08:03] this should have been done a little differently with the vision of 900 plus home.

[1:08:08] Well, I just have to say, don't be arbitrary and capricious now, sir.

[1:08:13] But just as Commissioner Walker mentioned, further south, the commercial is already coming.

[1:08:22] It's already there.

[1:08:23] It's going to creep east and west, and then essentially more.

[1:08:27] So I think it's a great one.

[1:08:30] I don't think it's huge.

[1:08:32] Good question.

[1:08:32] Yeah.

[1:08:34] That's like that.

[1:08:35] That's been my experience as well.

[1:08:37] Okay, that's the question I had.

[1:08:39] Okay, thank you.

[1:08:41] Did you want to?

[1:08:43] My only concern,

[1:08:47] could it be done on a lesser intensity as far as zoning?

[1:08:51] It could be, but then she's not going to be able to request

[1:08:55] to have a drive through.

[1:08:57] The coffee shop itself is allowed under a lesser intense zoning,

[1:09:01] commercial zoning,

[1:09:02] But it would not allow for drives to and I mean with all the respect these days

[1:09:09] Drive through as a coffee shop

[1:09:15] The hardest part is that is surrounded by residential and we go how it how we come

[1:09:20] Well most of the residential people who live there are related to me have been living there for 15 years

[1:09:27] I get that 100%

[1:09:30] I don't have a problem with that.

[1:09:31] I get that 100% and I'm forward, I'm with it.

[1:09:36] My only concern is the fact that if we approve

[1:09:40] how we commercial and you decide to sell it

[1:09:43] for some reason, it can be anything else next to a house.

[1:09:47] You know what I mean?

[1:09:48] That's a concern that we have to look at and consider.

[1:09:51] I'll just leave that thought there.

[1:09:53] I've rolled the dice for less.

[1:09:55] Yes, well my parents live right behind it.

[1:09:56] I don't think they'd be two in favor of me.

[1:09:58] I'm with it.

[1:10:00] I understand that.

[1:10:01] Okay, so we have a motion and a second.

[1:10:03] Commissioner Martina, you wish.

[1:10:05] Okay, no further comment?

[1:10:07] Please vote.

[1:10:10] Yes.

[1:10:11] We didn't get a second under the now.

[1:10:21] Motion to approve, Carries.

[1:10:24] We had an abstention on that vote to be passed on with seven.

[1:10:28] We're good with that.

[1:10:29] Okay.

[1:10:32] Item number 10.

[1:10:33] Item number 10, 2026, 47, 39ZC, existence of zoning,

[1:10:37] including our one rule residential district in rule overlay, proposed zoning large light residential district in rule overlay.

[1:10:45] Location parts will locate in the east side of Highway 10A1 north of Romans Road, covered in the Ward 2 District 2.

[1:10:54] Acres are 6.028 acres, petitioner and owner, Eric V and Ann Banksville.

[1:11:01] Staff.

[1:11:04] This property is 6.028 acres and is currently zone R1 rural residential district.

[1:11:10] The request is to be zone L1 large lot residential district, which would allow the petitioner if approved to go through the minor subdivision and to create a maximum of five lots.

[1:11:22] Is the petition here?

[1:11:27] Ms. Bankston?

[1:11:28] Yes, sir.

[1:11:28] Okay, do you have anything to add?

[1:11:31] This is six acres that adjoins our, the rest of our property, and we had built a building on it in 1998, I believe it was, and we are wanting to sell this building, but we do not want to sell five acres because we live on the property as well.

[1:11:59] We would just like to sell one acre.

[1:12:04] We actually don't have no plans and make a no subdivision.

[1:12:09] Okay, all right, thank you.

[1:12:11] Thank you.

[1:12:12] Anyone else in the audience who are speaking favor?

[1:12:16] Anyone opposed?

[1:12:19] Bring it back to the Commissioner Seager.

[1:12:23] I'll bear with me with the area, and it makes sense to do that, to enable that, so I'll move to approve.

[1:12:34] Motion to approve, Commissioner Seeker, Commissioner Walker.

[1:12:39] I will second Commissioner Seeker's motion, I see no objections for my end.

[1:12:45] Okay, we have a motion and a second.

[1:12:48] Any further discussion, please vote.

[1:12:50] No

[1:12:58] motion to approve, carries.

[1:13:03] Item number 11, plan review, number 2024, 39, 39, 59, 56 PR purposes, hardware store location, parcel located on the west side of L.A.

[1:13:15] 21 east of Highway 1077 Madisonville, Ward 1 District 4, acres 1.075 acres, petitioner, John Geteris, owner,

[1:13:25] Delan the Realty and Development LLC staff.

[1:13:38] The original site plan for the post hardware store was approved by the Plenty and Zoning Commission on November 4th, 2024.

[1:13:46] Following that approval, a building permit was issued in June of 25 for the construction of a hardware store.

[1:13:52] This is the ACE hardware on Highway 21.

[1:13:54] It went through the 21 plane corridor through you all.

[1:13:59] Currently, the hardware store is occupied and

[1:14:01] an operating, despite not having been issued a certificate of occupancy or obtaining an occupational license.

[1:14:08] As a result, the business is operating in violation of parish regulations and is set for

[1:14:12] administrative hearing before the Bureau of Administrative Adjudication on August 28th.

[1:14:17] Prior to issuance of a certificate of occupancy, the applicant must obtain approval of the as-built

[1:14:22] drainage plans successfully complete the final building inspections, submit a fire marshal letter of approval,

[1:14:28] and pass the final landscape inspection.

[1:14:30] Depending code enforcement action is separate from the applicant's request to amend the approved

[1:14:35] landscape plan and will not be resolved by approval of this petition.

[1:14:41] When the unified development code was amended and adopted in December of 23, we as staff

[1:14:47] recommended that we revise the highway 21 plain code or street planning requirements because

[1:14:52] because we acknowledge that

[1:15:00] The required amount of landscaping could be reduced while still basically achieving the same result. The applicant today is requesting to instead of utilizing the originally approved landscape plan by you all back in 2024 to use today's current standards essentially. While the current UDC requires fewer landscape paintings in the former land development code, the revised landscape plan is not satisfied the minimum requirements of the UDC.

[1:15:30] The plan is deficient by two class A trees and one class

[1:15:35] featuring in the highway 21 plan corridor.

[1:15:39] They are requesting a WS land development code irrigation was not a requirement under the current UDC it is.

[1:15:44] They are now asking to use the current UDC but they are asking for a waiver of the irrigation plan.

[1:15:51] There are a few statements contained within the applicants written request that are inconsistent with the landscape plan,

[1:15:57] including the square footage of Highway 21, the number of proposed trees.

[1:16:02] The landscape plan indicated that the required parking lot trees and

[1:16:06] landscape islands were planted and constructed.

[1:16:08] However, the submitted as-built plans that engineering is currently reviewing indicate that one required landscape island was not constructed.

[1:16:17] The proposed dumpster enclosure and the required seven foot opaque fence and gate as shown on the previously approved plans are not reflected on the revised landscape plans.

[1:16:25] to staff has questions as to where the dumpster is located and whether or not it conforms

[1:16:30] with the UDC. We also note that the location and death of the existing drainage infrastructure

[1:16:36] within the North landscape offer conflicts with the proposed plantings as shown and should

[1:16:40] be evaluated prior to final approval. The requirements listed within the site, criteria

[1:16:46] and calculations section of the plan are incorrect and should be revised. Essentially, the plan

[1:16:52] It does not meet today's current unified development code, but they're asking for those waivers into utilize the planting requirements within them.

[1:17:01] Thank you. Is the petitioner here?

[1:17:04] You wish to make some comments, sir?

[1:17:07] I would highly recommend that it not light up the staff report.

[1:17:12] So what we're trying to currently do is the submitting that we made, we're not landscape architects, so we submitted that.

[1:17:21] We brought Professor Abby in here to we redrew a plan and that's what we were trying to get the variance on so maybe you can speak.

[1:17:30] Okay.

[1:17:39] Good evening, everyone.

[1:17:43] I want to be really positive.

[1:17:46] So do we.

[1:17:47] And get your spirits up a little bit.

[1:17:50] I have been busy trying to beautify the parish, particularly with the new Tafunki Ace Hardwood store.

[1:17:59] on LA-21. I didn't quite catch everything this young lady mentioned because I

[1:18:08] kind of need better hearing than I think I should have at my age. But there are

[1:18:14] a couple of little things that I needed to deal with. I was brought in on this

[1:18:20] project that the landscape plan was had been improved up in the past. When the building

[1:18:30] plans went through the parish review process, they reviewed the architecture plans, thumbs

[1:18:36] up, where the landscape plan was tucked in there too. And so I'm assuming that I don't

[1:18:42] know this for a fact, but I'm assuming that the landscape plan was approved at that time

[1:18:49] as well. And as I did hear her mention that the code had changed and that was one of the

[1:18:56] big issues that the owners needed me to come in and take my former student's plan and

[1:19:04] redo it. And after 40 years of teaching at LSU I get to do that with a lot of my former

[1:19:11] students time to time. But it was a very good plan. I would have given him an A on that

[1:19:18] plan, just like I gave him an A in his classes in LSU, but it needed to be redrawn, and so

[1:19:26] redrawing it was a relatively easy thing to do, but there were a few little things that

[1:19:32] came up that I wanted to point out.

[1:19:36] And some of these things, maybe the way the code is written and the way it's presented on

[1:19:43] on the internet. I had a really hard time trying to work with the internet to get all of

[1:19:49] the code things in it. I don't know. Maybe it was my computer. Maybe it was me. But there

[1:19:55] were some problems. And one of the issues was a street planting area. And that's an area

[1:20:04] So on my plan, this 39 feet deep and 160 some feet wide, and the purpose of that street

[1:20:14] planning area you may or may not know the number of class A and class B trees that go

[1:20:22] in there are dependent upon the total square footage of that area that's been set aside

[1:20:29] for that street tree plant. And that's fine except there's one problem. Just a minor problem.

[1:20:39] There's a concrete driveway that goes through it. And that reduces the square footage of that

[1:20:48] area which is in our favor of reducing the number of trees that need to go in there. And so I made

[1:20:57] the assumption that you all would agree that we can't plant trees on concrete so that square

[1:21:05] footage should be dropped out of the calculation. Nowhere in the code notes that I read it said anything

[1:21:14] about allowing me to do that. So I'm here to ask your permission to not have included that it's

[1:21:23] like 1200 square feet of concrete.

[1:21:26] And so I subtracted that from the overall area,

[1:21:30] did my calculations, put the right required numbers

[1:21:33] of trees in there according to my calculations

[1:21:36] and not your calculation.

[1:21:39] That's one issue.

[1:21:41] The other issue that I have listed,

[1:21:45] there's a parking lot screen.

[1:21:48] That's just a few feet away

[1:21:50] from this street planting area and so I'm asking that those shrubs be qualified as

[1:21:59] the shrubs that I have to put in to the street tree planting area which is not

[1:22:05] that far away. That would save the owner considerable amount of money if we could

[1:22:10] do that.

[1:22:13] Sir, you're running out of time? There is an additional period of time

[1:22:17] after I have to hear the opposing side as well, though, okay?

[1:22:21] Okay, there is a problem with screening the storm water detention.

[1:22:26] It doesn't need to be screened because you can't see it from the highway.

[1:22:29] I'm going to give you some more time after we hear from the other side, okay?

[1:22:34] Very good, thank you.

[1:22:35] I have three speaker cards on this, but nobody did be the favor of telling me whether they were four or against.

[1:22:41] So, I'm just going to ask Buck Abney, who's that, that's Mr. Abney, okay?

[1:22:49] He's four.

[1:22:50] Irene Hall-Marg, does that you, okay?

[1:22:56] Bonnie Botner, that's you, okay, perfect.

[1:22:59] So, y'all are four, correct?

[1:23:01] Okay.

[1:23:02] If you wish to speak, I'll call you up at the rebuttal time as well.

[1:23:07] Ms. Irene, would you like to come up and tell me you're in opposition?

[1:23:16] Or you have some additional comments?

[1:23:17] Come on up and make your comments, ma'am.

[1:23:19] No, I don't have comments for that.

[1:23:22] Yep, come on up, it's your time.

[1:23:23] I have a request.

[1:23:24] Okay.

[1:23:25] I live on 120 Highway 1077.

[1:23:30] And my property meets with the A's Hardware.

[1:23:34] Okay, you're adjacent, okay.

[1:23:37] and I wanted to request a fence for a fence to be put in between your property.

[1:23:47] Yeah, between my property and your property.

[1:23:49] Staff, is that part of the design?

[1:23:52] So it is, if you're talking about a commercial property, about a residential property, but

[1:23:56] this property is part of a larger track that was all re-zoned together to GC1 maybe in 2024.

[1:24:04] So when you are talking about a commercial to a commercial, then no, a fence is not required.

[1:24:12] It's not.

[1:24:14] So I want to make sure I'm clear.

[1:24:17] So are you saying that Miss Irene's property is not residential?

[1:24:21] Yes, it's on GC1 commercial.

[1:24:24] She positioned to rezone it with all the surrounding properties a few years back.

[1:24:28] Yeah, but they were, they were gonna do some building right next door to me and at that time I requested the fence.

[1:24:39] If you remember, they said they would put up a fence.

[1:24:43] Yeah, I was, I was at that meeting.

[1:24:45] So I remember when they got approved, yeah.

[1:24:49] Miss Irene came at that time and requested a fence be constructed.

[1:24:52] That development also abouted her property and you all granted that to her, which is why she's back before you today.

[1:24:58] because this property abuts hers.

[1:25:00] Yeah, I remember that.

[1:25:01] So even though it was two years ago, wow, two years ago.

[1:25:04] So yes, ma'am, so is the fence not part of the requirement?

[1:25:10] No, sir, it's not.

[1:25:11] OK, so I'm confused.

[1:25:13] And it wasn't at the time either at 21 at the point.

[1:25:17] Was it just an agreement that we put in place

[1:25:19] that they agreed to put it offensive,

[1:25:21] but we didn't make it as a requirement

[1:25:22] of the final approval?

[1:25:23] You all reserved the rights to add reasonable stipulations

[1:25:26] to these reviews.

[1:25:27] Thanks.

[1:25:27] Thank you, ma'am.

[1:25:33] This is your rebuttal time.

[1:25:35] Do you have any more comments to make or yes?

[1:25:40] No, my name's Bonnie Boatner, and I'm the owner of the beautiful new Chifante's house.

[1:25:45] It is beautiful, I pass it all the time.

[1:25:47] Our customers love having us there.

[1:25:50] We want our property to look nice, but we're trying to be realistic about the amount of

[1:25:59] the vegetation that we are being asked to plant.

[1:26:04] I'm not a horticulturist, I refer to Professor Abbey on that.

[1:26:09] The front of the property obviously is paramount to the appearance along Highway 21.

[1:26:17] I have one issue in the west side of the property, which I believe is a but to the previous speaker's property.

[1:26:28] that property is heavily forested, densely forested, and the plan is asking me to plant an additional 10, 12 trees and shrubs in an area that's already heavily forested.

[1:26:47] And it's opposite the highway behind my building, not in sight, of passers-by.

[1:26:57] So I would ask that we get some relief in what we're being asked to add to the existing vegetation.

[1:27:07] Yeah, I mean, I see the vegetation just on the satellite map behind you.

[1:27:11] That's, that's to the, to the, to the, to the west that hang over.

[1:27:15] And Ms. Irene's property, is she to the north of you?

[1:27:20] That's her property.

[1:27:21] No, because she's on 1077, so she is to the west of you as well.

[1:27:27] She's behind you.

[1:27:28] Yes.

[1:27:29] Okay.

[1:27:32] But we did, there was an agreement that you were going to put a fence

[1:27:37] between the properties, because I remember the meaning.

[1:27:40] I remember the fence.

[1:27:41] Yeah.

[1:27:42] This was a previous development just south of the east of

[1:27:46] Yeah, that and that development has since not yeah, he's not doing it.

[1:27:52] Yeah, so he kind of wraps around understand her property, so it's all right.

[1:28:00] I don't know where we would put offense.

[1:28:03] Gotcha.

[1:28:04] All right, thank you very much.

[1:28:06] Okay.

[1:28:06] Do you have any other comments about the landscaping, sir?

[1:28:09] You have a couple of seconds left.

[1:28:20] Really happy to be able to help beautify the parish.

[1:28:23] I wanted to mention the stormwater detention maybe a little bit more.

[1:28:31] That's in front of the building, and it's just outside of the street planting area, but

[1:28:40] it's sunken.

[1:28:42] And when they did the grading plan, it appears that they mounted it up in front of it, which

[1:28:48] is why I guess you can't see it from the street.

[1:28:50] And so, I've kind of broken that rule by not putting in a screen to screen something that's already a screen that's a detention basin that sores water just after the storm.

[1:29:07] So, thank you very much for everything you do.

[1:29:09] Thank you very much.

[1:29:11] Okay, time for public comment. Did you have any additional comments, ma'am?

[1:29:15] We kind of heard you about the fence and everything.

[1:29:17] Okay.

[1:29:20] Thank you very much. All right. We'll bring it back to the Commission, Commissioner Martino.

[1:29:26] I

[1:29:29] agree with the wooded area that satisfies what the UDC's

[1:29:38] purpose for this type of scenario

[1:29:42] is to shield from the roadway. I think that in itself makes sense. I need to do

[1:29:53] We need to make the most...

[1:30:00] The motion separately is just all encompassing together. To the revised landscape plan, if you look at the top of sheet three, it says commission should be subject to adding the following landscape to the landscape plan. It would just be subject to those things. However, if you're making a motion for them to essentially be able to plant trees without any kind of irrigation or the host bed that they propose.

[1:30:29] That would need to be a separate waiver, it's a separate request.

[1:30:35] So that's my next point, actually, is with the irrigation.

[1:30:42] That has been brought in for a specific reason, and it's because when the landscaping requirements are put in place,

[1:30:50] and there's no, there was no guarantee for plantings to survive, where in the middle of the drought now,

[1:30:58] I think it's an important component, so I'd like to hear more comments, but I'm not comfortable

[1:31:08] making a motion for all of it based on the irrigation itself, because I think it defeats the

[1:31:16] purpose in our climate and for new plantings, especially new plantings in the middle of summer,

[1:31:25] not having proper irrigation.

[1:31:27] So I'm going to yield my time for other discussion.

[1:31:31] I'm not making a motion at this time.

[1:31:33] Thank you, Commissioner Martino, Commissioner Robert.

[1:31:37] Okay, so I probably had steam coming out of my ears when I was first reading this case.

[1:31:44] I have families who I've worked with across this parish to build homes who have lost money because they did not obtain.

[1:31:51] They could not obtain a certificate of occupancy for one reason or another.

[1:31:54] and the fact that a business in this parish had a flagrant disregard for the rules and had a

[1:32:02] grant opening without obtaining a certificate of occupancy rubs me completely the wrong way.

[1:32:08] I'm just going to say that right at the gate. However, the fact that this is the only person who

[1:32:13] showed up for this tells me it might be a little bit of a different story here. So looking at the

[1:32:19] landscaping planning requirements right now under the old UDC for class A trees you guys are under

[1:32:25] by 12 on the new UDC you're under by 2 class B trees your short 17 new UDC you're short by 1

[1:32:34] you are over by shrubs on 34 on the old code and 12 on the new code so you guys got shrubs in spades

[1:32:44] I am not okay with the irrigation plan, not being presented.

[1:32:51] I agree with Commissioner Martino, I don't feel comfortable voting on this as a whole when there are so many issues within this.

[1:33:01] I did request our attorney to look into something for me, so I'm trying to give her a little bit of time to check.

[1:33:09] I would be willing to let go the missing two class A trees and the one class

[1:33:15] feature a if you guys would commit to putting up a fence on your Davis

[1:33:20] property to protect your neighbor's property and but I'm waiting for Diana if

[1:33:26] you're asking if you can conditionally improve some of the waivers not all of

[1:33:30] them then you can. I am but I am requesting the Diana check to see if we can

[1:33:36] We can make the fence a condition of that approval.

[1:33:42] We can make the fence a condition of the approval.

[1:33:51] Okay, so Diana helped me make these motions.

[1:33:58] They're going to have to amend it to add that in because it's not in the petition.

[1:34:08] So they're going to have to agree to it before.

[1:34:11] Can the petitioner, ma'am, can you come up and speak?

[1:34:14] Mr. Chairman, let's confirm here.

[1:34:17] this is not a zoning change. This is a plan. Correct. You can make a motion.

[1:34:21] Yeah, we do. Would you commit if we were willing to let the landscape standards go and let you guys keep what you currently have?

[1:34:31] Mm-hm.

[1:34:31] Not have to plan another plus a tree.

[1:34:34] Mm-hm.

[1:34:34] Let's be agree.

[1:34:35] If you'll put a fence up for your neighbor and you do away with your irrigation requirement.

[1:34:42] According to Professor Abbey, he said all of that new vegetation that's planted trees only requires irrigation for the first six months after that it's well rooted and mother nature can take its course.

[1:34:56] I would defer to staff on this.

[1:34:59] I just want to clarify one thing as far as I understand there's been no plantings on the site.

[1:35:05] So when you say, oh, because it says provided eight class A trees, 14 class B trees and 46 on the plan.

[1:35:13] Yeah, right. So nothing has been we've been waiting for our request for variances before we go in before you actually plan anything.

[1:35:19] Yeah. Okay.

[1:35:21] Because obviously if they have to put it right now to plant all of this stuff, that's sure, that's sure we'd like to wait.

[1:35:27] The one comment staff had in relation to the hose bibs is we can't necessarily see where the hose bibs are being discharged

[1:35:33] large to water the plants on the irrigation plan and also if they're going to plant, we request that it be between October and December and not right.

[1:35:41] I mean, you're a hardware store, you're going to provide plants at some point during the year for people to purchase.

[1:35:47] You have to have, you have a hose bib outside, so we have hose bibs all around the bill.

[1:35:51] You have any hoses perhaps that you could connect to those?

[1:35:55] I've really got, I've got nice 125 foot, you know.

[1:35:58] So Erin, can you shed some light, there was no irrigation required under old UDC, correct?

[1:36:05] Correct.

[1:36:06] Which required more plants and no irrigation now we have fewer plants and.

[1:36:11] There was typically a role of thumb by staff to say within five to ten years about half of the required trees on 21 would die because there was no irrigation.

[1:36:21] Correct, but you guys are hard, we're sore and you have to water plants anyway, right?

[1:36:25] Let me know that.

[1:36:29] Okay, I would be well in the lego of the irrigation plan,

[1:36:36] simply because of the nature of the business.

[1:36:41] So would you commit to putting a fence up?

[1:36:44] Just on that little bit of stretch, like the tape.

[1:36:48] Wherever it's abouting a residential property.

[1:36:50] It's not residential, is GC1?

[1:36:52] No, it is zone GC1, but the use right now is residential.

[1:36:58] She lives there, correct?

[1:36:58] Well, she was way over on 1077, which is a far cry from where my property abuts hers.

[1:37:08] Is it the same, can staff confirm?

[1:37:10] Is it the same property that was re-zoned in 24 per her request?

[1:37:16] Is the parcel itself that the fence is requested on?

[1:37:21] Because this is not something I had an opportunity to look up the forehand, is that a residential

[1:37:26] use on that parcel at the moment.

[1:37:29] Yes, it's in a regular shape.

[1:37:30] If you look at your vicinity map, you can see a directly about the rear property line of the subject parcel.

[1:37:35] Then, yes, that would be the fence that I would request.

[1:37:38] In lieu of you having plant more trees and providing irrigation plan, that would be-

[1:37:43] I just have to put a tangling fence across there.

[1:37:45] No, ma'am, a privacy fence.

[1:37:47] A privacy fence?

[1:37:48] Yes, ma'am.

[1:37:49] Okay, how tall does it have to be?

[1:37:51] Eight foot.

[1:37:52] Eight foot, wooden privacy fence.

[1:37:54] OPEC. It could be anything OPEC, correct? Erin?

[1:37:59] Yes.

[1:37:59] It doesn't have to be what?

[1:38:00] So you could like bind all the time.

[1:38:01] You could put the chain link up with the slats in it and everything just has to be

[1:38:05] you know what?

[1:38:05] I would imagine the materials you probably would throw into it.

[1:38:07] But no irrigation and no trees, additional trees back at this point.

[1:38:12] It was like a deal.

[1:38:13] If you put a fence up to clear your resume.

[1:38:16] You can't just clarify your motion because she's saying no trees, but no trees have been

[1:38:20] planted.

[1:38:21] So you're saying, I'm saying, you're approving the planting plan out there.

[1:38:23] I'm approving the plan that has eight class A trees, 14 class B trees and 46 shrubs.

[1:38:30] I'm okay with a ton of shrubs going on that property if it means letting go of a couple of the trees simply because it is so heavily wooded.

[1:38:38] But I have family who lives on property that was rezoned in comprehensive zoning in 2009 on Highway 22, and my in laws their property was rezoned to a commercial property and somebody tried to put a drive through chicken restaurant.

[1:38:53] right next to their house. I cannot imagine what that would be like to have that, right? And look,

[1:39:02] you guys, I'm sure are... Well, that entire section of 21 is now commercial. Correct. But your

[1:39:09] neighbor behind you was asking for a fence. And I feel like if you are here requesting us to make

[1:39:15] concessions, this is a minor concession that you can make for materials that you probably

[1:39:18] That would more than likely carry a hardware, I would imagine, for the fence.

[1:39:21] Correct.

[1:39:22] So that would be, the bargain I would request, and that would be what I would be willing to see happen.

[1:39:29] But then we talked about the request or the requirement for such additional trees and

[1:39:35] shrubs in this same area that you're asking me to put up a fence.

[1:39:40] No, the-

[1:39:42] I mean, it's on my hand because it was required.

[1:39:44] But now we've already determined that area is heavily forested with very large mature trees and now I'm going to put up a fence and then the landscape plan I believe calls for trees and shrubs to go back in that same area.

[1:40:03] If I may clarify, just in case you're confusing or mixing the comment, my comment of, it is, would it, I agree, was pertaining to where the detention pond was?

[1:40:16] No, the detention pond in the front.

[1:40:18] Correct.

[1:40:19] And that's not heavily rooted.

[1:40:20] I don't know if you were.

[1:40:21] I just want to clarify.

[1:40:22] I was agreeing with Professor Abby.

[1:40:27] Yes.

[1:40:28] That area would not need more trees.

[1:40:31] I was not talking about where the fence would potentially be.

[1:40:39] Because that's where it's the heavily wooded.

[1:40:44] That maybe the case, I'm speaking out of turn a little, but.

[1:40:49] I mean, that's just, you know, it's undeveloped.

[1:40:53] I would refer.

[1:40:54] Aaron, can you show some light on this, please?

[1:40:57] It appears that all commercial properties are required to come into compliance with commercial

[1:41:04] regulations which require landscape buffers to sort of essentially grassed areas with

[1:41:10] class A and class B trees.

[1:41:12] I know you say the property is wooded, but that's, it appears most of the trees in a tree

[1:41:18] survey would confirm, but that most of the trees, if not all of the trees, are on the adjacent

[1:41:24] residential property.

[1:41:26] So you in order to develop the property would have to bring the site to compliance and effectively

[1:41:33] Plant your landscape plan as proposed under the current UDC. So we can be very clear here that

[1:41:41] Number one, I think

[1:41:42] Commissioner Robare is doing a doing a good service to you

[1:41:47] Because at the end of the day

[1:41:48] We can say we're going to now you're a request and make you

[1:41:53] and force you kind of to do the higher standard trees.

[1:41:58] We can also say, put the fence up and make it a mandatory thing.

[1:42:03] I think Commissioner Robert is giving you the option to do either or,

[1:42:07] but we can, this commission reserves the right and the way is written, to do both.

[1:42:13] And we're trying to cut this in slack, so I think women's Robert would be a good thing.

[1:42:18] Thank you.

[1:42:25] Are you done?

[1:42:27] Do we have a measure?

[1:42:29] Are you willing to, are you willing to, the question was, are you willing to make that

[1:42:35] concise?

[1:42:35] What's the offense up?

[1:42:37] Yes, ma'am.

[1:42:37] Of course.

[1:42:38] Okay.

[1:42:42] Make a motion?

[1:42:44] Yes.

[1:42:44] So, I'm going to need help with this.

[1:42:49] Diana, how will I make this motion?

[1:42:51] I think it's best for staff to help these things.

[1:42:53] Staff, can you?

[1:42:55] I said one more question.

[1:42:56] How far does the, from the property line, does the fence need to be?

[1:43:00] We'll let staff coach you on that so that, I mean they have all the regulations on buffers and all of that, we'll let them make that determination.

[1:43:12] So we just need to make a motion, your motion to approve the waivers as written contingent upon, but you're adding a waiver to privacy fence has to be installed along the rear property line.

[1:43:27] Correct.

[1:43:28] Okay, so craft the motion in that regard.

[1:43:31] I make a motion to approve the request with waivers and

[1:43:37] to add an additional requirement to construct an eight foot privacy fence on the rear boundary line of the property.

[1:43:48] Okay, according to the unified development code.

[1:43:52] Okay. Motion to approve with waivers by Commissioner Robert with an addendum, Commissioner Seeger.

[1:44:05] Some questions.

[1:44:10] I think it was a very pertinent question that the petitioner asked how far away from the property line does the fence have to be?

[1:44:18] Can y'all give us some clarification on that?

[1:44:20] The fence should be set in to be on the inside of the buffer.

[1:44:24] So the buffer should be on the property line, and the fence should be 10 foot inside

[1:44:29] of the property line.

[1:44:33] It should be development fence buffer.

[1:44:40] So 10 feet from the Western property line.

[1:44:43] Ten feet from the line, and that's the no-cut buffer.

[1:44:48] That's just a lighted knot.

[1:44:50] Well, the property is clear cut, so it's-

[1:45:00] I could read without a magnifying glass. What is the distance between the building and the property line?

[1:45:10] I didn't see that already, surveys or anything, maybe I just missed it.

[1:45:24] From the building where you're going to building to the fence line, to the property line. How far is it?

[1:45:38] Okay, I didn't realize.

[1:45:41] Can you all come up to the right, we can't hear you, please, I appreciate it.

[1:45:45] Property line to the north side, there's a fence on the property line.

[1:45:51] And I think you said, somebody said on the property line, did I miss here that?

[1:45:57] No.

[1:45:59] I

[1:46:02] said on that property, that particular property line, so as to, when I made the motion,

[1:46:07] so as to designate which boundary line of the property, so not the north.

[1:46:12] I'm sorry, not the Northern Property Line, not the Southern Property Line, but the Western.

[1:46:16] I just referenced it in that regard so that it was specific to the amendment that so

[1:46:23] that you guys don't have to put a fence around three borders of the property.

[1:46:26] No, no, no, that's not what I meant.

[1:46:28] What I was trying to understand was will the Prophecy Fence go on the property line?

[1:46:36] On the line itself, Mr.

[1:46:37] on the adjacent, where she's talking about where they butt up.

[1:46:40] No, sir.

[1:46:41] I'm sorry?

[1:46:42] No, sir.

[1:46:43] So you're saying we got to come 10 feet from that property line to put it because the parking

[1:46:48] lot goes to the 10 foot setback.

[1:46:50] So you would want it right on the, against the parking lot?

[1:46:55] I guess so, yes.

[1:46:56] That's where I was confused.

[1:46:58] So that's how the code is written today, the unified development code.

[1:47:01] The previous land development code remained silent and the problem that we're having

[1:47:04] is people are putting fences on property lines, but then using that section of the buffer as a lay down yard.

[1:47:10] So that's the reason the UDC was amended.

[1:47:12] I think in this case, a special concession could be made, especially since the budding property owner

[1:47:16] only wants a fence.

[1:47:17] I don't want an additional buffer.

[1:47:19] That's right.

[1:47:20] So I think in this case, it might be appropriate to consider the fence on the property line.

[1:47:24] Directly on the property line.

[1:47:25] Okay.

[1:47:25] Do I need to?

[1:47:26] No, I'm glad you asked.

[1:47:28] I'm glad you asked.

[1:47:28] Good for the clarification.

[1:47:29] Thank you.

[1:47:30] Eric, do I need to amend my request at all?

[1:47:34] Or is that something you guys can handle administratively?

[1:47:36] We can handle that administratively.

[1:47:37] I figure.

[1:47:38] Okay.

[1:47:38] Good question, Tom.

[1:47:40] I just do want to be clear.

[1:47:42] So the motion that I made was for the plan that you submitted.

[1:47:47] It's you still have to provide what is on the plan that you guys submitted.

[1:47:53] I'm just not asking you guys to go above and be on and do even more.

[1:47:57] So like right now you have, it says provided eight class A, 14 class B, 46 shrubs.

[1:48:02] So, rather than make you do another 17 class B under the old code, one class B under the new, 12 class A under the old code, two more class A's under the new,

[1:48:24] We're like letting go of the extra that the variance, so to speak, would be for so that the plan that you guys currently have for Professor Abby flies, we're good with that.

[1:48:35] So that I just want to make sure that this means you still have to plan, we're just, okay, I just want to make sure.

[1:48:41] I'm just glaring for a quick clarifying on that.

[1:48:44] Can Mr. Seager finish this time?

[1:48:46] Yes, sorry.

[1:48:47] Mr. Seager, sorry.

[1:48:49] Thank you.

[1:48:53] So, to staff, we now have a fence up, and we agree that it's on the property line.

[1:49:01] The shrubbery that is supposed to be on that side of the building, are we eliminating that shrubbery?

[1:49:11] Yes, sir, the new UDC does not require shrubbery for commercial, about in commercial.

[1:49:16] And there's a fence there anyhow, so the shrubbery.

[1:49:18] Do you all understand that the fences all on that side, there's no shrubbery included.

[1:49:24] You asked that question when you came up to the podium and it was never answered.

[1:49:37] On the side of the fence, no.

[1:49:40] That was your question earlier.

[1:49:43] There wasn't room for the fence and the shrubbery, so I wanted to clarify that.

[1:49:48] So now the shrubbery, because it's contingent upon you building a fence,

[1:49:55] the landscaping doesn't have to be done on that side.

[1:49:58] I wanted to make sure that you had that question answered.

[1:50:02] Kagan.

[1:50:04] Kagan.

[1:50:07] Kagan.

[1:50:12] Kagan.

[1:50:13] Kagan.

[1:50:14] Kagan.

[1:50:19] The

[1:50:25] plan as your landscape architect Druitt meets code subject to the missing trees in the street buffer.

[1:50:37] But contingent upon you putting up a privacy fence, some of the landscaping requirements

[1:50:44] are not, are being dropped, the shrubbery.

[1:50:47] It's still required for the Class A and Class B trees and your landscaping

[1:50:54] to satisfy this where all we have to say is we're approving the plan that they've

[1:50:59] submitted, if they put the fence up.

[1:51:02] So, contingent upon the fence?

[1:51:04] Yeah, the fence does not change any of the, any of the plan that they've already

[1:51:08] submitted.

[1:51:10] I think it does. I think the shrubs are on the plan that they submitted, and those

[1:51:15] were not be, they do not have to be included.

[1:51:22] Could

[1:51:28] you just give it to the staff, please? We get nervous when people come back here.

[1:51:48] So what about the hoves bibs and the sulker hoses, is that they're all around the building.

[1:51:54] They don't need any additional, they've already got them at all.

[1:51:59] Yeah, we're waving the in-ground inter-currigation.

[1:52:02] Right.

[1:52:02] Yes, yeah, I understand that.

[1:52:10] Can you give us a speech?

[1:52:12] The speech is from the requirement to get to just gotten confused.

[1:52:16] No, you're good.

[1:52:16] You're good.

[1:52:19] I tried to condense things in the simple terms, if you can.

[1:52:24] Yeah, just bring it.

[1:52:26] Which case I will second the motion.

[1:52:37] Mr. Chairman, I have a comment.

[1:52:40] It's not going to change any motion or motion.

[1:52:44] You're good.

[1:52:45] Okay.

[1:52:46] You might have a motion.

[1:52:47] You ready?

[1:52:48] What?

[1:52:48] This roll.

[1:52:55] So, we have a motion in a second.

[1:53:00] Commissioner Blanchard.

[1:53:01] Yeah, look, I just have one caveat here.

[1:53:04] And I think just want to also highlight the fact that we are cutting the deal here.

[1:53:09] right you guys at a higher standard that you guys came in on are asking to be swept into the lower

[1:53:16] standard and then asking for a waiver on the lower standard so we all understand that and we're

[1:53:21] willing to play ball a bit but we're asking for the fence you guys seem to be an agreement to that

[1:53:26] I want to just point out not to just direct offense but maintain it in good repair right we don't

[1:53:32] want any issues with it I know it's it's going to be sight seen on your on your store anyway you

[1:53:37] You're going to want it to look good, but please, please, don't make that an issue for us as well.

[1:53:41] So if we can slightly adjust the wording on the motion to say that it's directly maintaining the repair, I'll be okay.

[1:53:51] That's part of the code already, isn't it?

[1:53:53] Yeah.

[1:53:53] Okay, we don't need to add it.

[1:53:54] No, just don't thank it.

[1:53:56] Okay, we have a motion, a second, Mr. Martinez.

[1:53:59] My last comment, I promise, I have to make a comment with the irrigation.

[1:54:06] even with planting in October, November, December.

[1:54:10] So in South Louisiana, November is our driest month of the year.

[1:54:14] Planting in an area surrounded by concrete gravel,

[1:54:22] commercial areas in particular, I just want that to be known

[1:54:26] that it is very stressful on new plantings.

[1:54:31] So that being said, when we make some of these decisions and we wave going forward on the new UDC not requiring irrigation, I do want to make sure we're understanding there are areas that we see and we all pass.

[1:54:49] That's a great clarification.

[1:54:51] Staff, isn't there language in the UDC that requires that trees that die are replaced?

[1:54:58] Yes, sir.

[1:55:00] Ben, I'm sorry, repeat.

[1:55:02] So, it's written in code in the UDC that trees that are planted as part of the requirement

[1:55:07] if they die, they have to be replaced.

[1:55:09] So, even though they could be planting in a dry month, they are obligated basically

[1:55:15] to irrigate it, and if it dies, they have to replace it anyway.

[1:55:19] Okay, so it's the hooves them to make sure it survives.

[1:55:24] That's it.

[1:55:25] Perfect one.

[1:55:27] We have a motion and a second.

[1:55:30] With an addendum, please vote.

[1:55:43] Motion to approve with a addendum carries.

[1:55:48] So I have a motion to adjourn.

[1:55:50] Motion to adjourn.

St. Tammany Parish Zoning Meeting August 4, 2026

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