[0:00] Our tonight's planning and economic development board meeting here at the medway middle school

[0:06] school committee room. It's Tuesday, August 11, 2026. The meeting is being recorded by medway

[0:14] cable access. There are no members participating remotely. Everybody's here.

[0:28] Are there any

[0:30] agenda. All right, hearing none. We'll move to our first public hearing, which is scheduled

[0:38] for 7 PM. It's zero R and 12 Waterview Drive. It is continued from July 14th, 2026. This

[0:49] is an application of a site plan review for exempt uses. The applicant has asked for a

[0:59] to August 25th, 2026 at 7 p.m. at here at the middle school, middle school, is there

[1:08] the motion to continue?

[1:09] The move.

[1:10] Is there a second?

[1:11] Second.

[1:12] We've got a second.

[1:13] Any further discussion?

[1:15] Hearing none.

[1:16] All those in favor, please say aye.

[1:18] Aye.

[1:20] Okay.

[1:25] This is continued from June 23rd, 2026.

[1:29] This is an application for modification of a previously approved definitive subdivision plan,

[1:37] which proposes the construction of a new way in creation of three billable lots.

[1:43] The applicant has submitted a request to extend the deadline for the board to take final action

[1:47] to November 2nd, 2026. Is there a motion to grant an extension of the deadline for the final

[1:55] action to November 2nd, 2026?

[1:58] Yes.

[1:59] Is there a second?

[2:00] Second.

[2:01] We got a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none? All those in favour? Please say aye.

[2:09] The applicant has also requested to continue the public hearing to September 8. Is there a motion

[2:16] to continue the public hearing to September 8th, 2026 at 7 p.m. at the middle school.

[2:22] They'll move.

[2:24] For 0 second.

[2:26] We've got a second.

[2:26] Any further discussion?

[2:28] Hearing none.

[2:29] All those in favor.

[2:31] Please say hi.

[2:32] Hi.

[2:33] Hi.

[2:34] Okay.

[2:34] 49 all district.

[2:36] This is an application from East Hill Associates LLC for property located at 49 all

[2:42] state, the assessor parcel number 63-005 in the West Industrial Park Zoning District to modify

[2:51] a previously approved site plan involving major site plan review to expand an existing

[2:57] storage yard.

[3:01] Good evening.

[3:01] Good.

[3:02] Good.

[3:03] You want to give us an overview?

[3:05] Sure.

[3:06] Jeremy, would you be able to bring up sheet C1, please, the overall site layout?

[3:10] My name is David Feist, I'm the Project Civil Engineer with CMG.

[3:15] We're here tonight with Keith Lawrence of East Hill Associates, also Lawrence Waste Services.

[3:21] As you remember recently, we developed a property next to our 39-alters street.

[3:26] With that, again, there's sort of a victim of their own success.

[3:29] And they want to explore the option of expanding their existing 49-alters street property

[3:36] at an additional about 36,000 plus or minus square feet of outdoor storage area.

[3:42] Properties permitted back in 2012 and 2014 originally, and the property they've been operating

[3:49] there since then.

[3:51] What we're proposed would they like to explore, we're also working with conservation, given

[3:55] the area we're proposing to expand into, they didn't go after before, because there's

[4:00] a riverfront in buffer zones and wetlands in the back of the property.

[4:03] So, as you look at the plan view, there are two areas, a dark gray in the center of the property.

[4:10] It comes back up.

[4:12] Is an area that's of existing gravel that has been there, has existing drainage associated with it.

[4:19] There's approved and installed back in 2014.

[4:22] They'd like to pave that area just because it takes a little bit of a beating over the years.

[4:28] And again, the compact gravel that's out there is virtually impervious.

[4:31] Again, from a drainage perspective, has a curve of number on 96, whereas pavement's 98,

[4:37] by paving the middle portion of the site that's already developed,

[4:41] will actually result in cleaner runoff because we won't have to deal with the silk

[4:44] in sediment. So, the area to the right, the light gray that has the box around it,

[4:48] is the area that light to explore expanding into. And we're basically just proposing

[4:54] expanding the existing gravel yard, keeping it out of the setback areas to avoid the tree

[5:01] We're also keeping it outside of the riverfront zone and outside of the groundwater protection zone.

[5:07] Again, we're in the process of working through notice of intent with conservation commission.

[5:14] Again, we've designed stormwater drainage for this area and compliance with the mass DEP stormwater standards.

[5:20] And I'd be happy to answer any questions and might have.

[5:25] Anybody have any questions?

[5:33] Okay.

[5:34] Any staff comments?

[5:38] Jeremy, anything?

[5:52] Well, they're going to have jurisdiction on storm water on this.

[5:55] So there's no buildings or anything.

[5:59] So we wouldn't let the expecting from us in terms of, you know, approval.

[6:06] It's really just okay as long as the concomps, okay with it.

[6:10] It seems.

[6:12] Yeah.

[6:15] Yeah.

[6:15] Okay.

[6:16] So do you have a timeline that would that you need action from us on?

[6:21] Um, not in particular.

[6:22] I mean, I guess it's up to you.

[6:23] I guess if you make a subject, conservation, or hail stretches of modification of the 2014

[6:29] site plan.

[6:29] Yeah, but I think just making sure we include a reference to that decision.

[6:35] I don't think there's any risk for us on approving anything.

[6:42] We're approving the touch deck review.

[6:45] So we will get technical comments.

[6:48] But it seems like a pretty benign process and application.

[6:53] Well, you have a majority of review of the stormwater

[6:56] and the river fund area of concentration.

[7:00] Okay.

[7:02] Any comments on the public?

[7:04] Any questions?

[7:06] Okay, nothing.

[7:09] All right.

[7:10] Can I make a motion?

[7:12] Do you approve that touch track budget estimate in the amount of $5,850?

[7:19] Is there a second?

[7:20] Second.

[7:21] There's a second.

[7:22] Any further discussion?

[7:25] Hearing none?

[7:26] All those in favor?

[7:28] Please say aye.

[7:31] Okay. Is there a motion to continue the public hearing to get a date?

[7:39] Oh, actually, the conservation meeting is continued to September 3.

[7:44] So part of the question would be after that.

[7:49] Okay, that would be correct.

[7:51] Okay, I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing to September 8th at 7 p.m. at the middle school.

[7:57] Is there a second?

[7:59] Second.

[8:00] Any further discussion?

[8:02] Hearing none.

[8:03] All those in favor, please say aye.

[8:05] Aye.

[8:07] Okay.

[8:08] Thank you.

[8:09] Have a good evening.

[8:11] Thanks for building in Medway.

[8:15] Thank you.

[8:17] Thank you.

[8:20] Thank you.

[8:20] 120 Main Street.

[8:22] This is an application from the town of Medway for property located at one

[8:27] 120 Main Street, assessor parcel number 39-069, within the central business, commercial

[8:36] business, zoning district for major site plan review, land disturbance, permit, and special

[8:41] permits.

[8:42] The applicant proposes the construction of a new municipal complex intended to serve the police

[8:49] department, fire department, and town hall staff and operations.

[8:53] The proposal also includes associated parking areas, access drives, fire apparatus, circulation

[9:00] areas, storm water, management facilities, and landscaping among other site amenities.

[9:07] Hello.

[9:13] That's okay.

[9:14] Take care.

[9:17] Mr. Chairman, I remember the board, but even for those that don't know me, I'm Michael

[9:20] Voint, I'm a town manager.

[9:23] And beside me is an outstanding design team that has been working now for a better part

[9:28] of 10 months on this project for those that aren't aware in the fall of 2022, the town

[9:37] of Midway purchased the former Midway block property for some $4.5 million dollars.

[9:42] It's eight acres of land at 120 Main Street and it was a site of a former concrete block

[9:47] manufacturing facility that had been there for the better part of 75 years or more.

[9:52] The town went through a process of identifying we knew that there was a historic oil leak that was on the site hydraulic oil from the manufacturing facility.

[10:02] So the town did a couple of different things. One we had identified a need to clean that up.

[10:07] And we went through over the last year and a half to go through a process of actually removing that.

[10:12] But simultaneously there was a building study committee chaired by Mr. Harris with a number

[10:17] of town residents as part of that committee that identified, excuse me, for the community,

[10:24] that we have some significant space issues, we have some significant operations issues in

[10:29] a number of our facilities, the police station, the fire station, and town hall specifically.

[10:34] And quite frankly, the space conditions in those buildings are deteriorating day by day.

[10:39] So two years ago, in the fall of 2024, after a public outreach campaign, the town went forward and presented to the fall of town meeting a plan to actually design a new municipal complex at that site.

[10:53] 7.9 million dollars was authorized in the fall of 2024.

[10:56] For us to begin this process of actually commencing a full on plan for the public safety needs of the town as well as the long term needs of the community.

[11:07] We did a number of things as part of this process.

[11:11] One, we took into consideration the first and foremost point

[11:14] was the master plan.

[11:16] And the master plan spoke about the creation

[11:17] of a downtown concept from Edway.

[11:19] And this was a fantastic anchor on the westernmost point

[11:22] of what otherwise be considered a downtown.

[11:25] The second thing that we did, once we got a design

[11:28] firm on board, we have first identified

[11:31] we brought on board, a known as project manager,

[11:34] Collears is our owner's project manager, Phil Palombo is here with Luis Rodriguez from

[11:41] Collears.

[11:42] And we then went through the process to select an architect and we were very happy to bring

[11:47] on board, Doran Wittier, Don Walters, the principal of Doran Wittier along with Chip

[11:53] High Camp.

[11:54] They have brought on Lang and there site folks and they'll speak to you tonight as well.

[12:00] But what we did was right after we got the design team on board.

[12:03] So we conducted a public outreach session.

[12:06] So we had the warehouse for an evening and we had a better part of 90 to 100 people at the

[12:10] warehouse that night to talk to us about what their needs were, what their thoughts were

[12:14] in the concerns were about a facility of this size located at that location at 120

[12:20] Main Street.

[12:21] Essentially on the corner of Main and Fond Street.

[12:24] The meeting was largely attended by residents of the area, a butters, in many cases, and they

[12:30] a number of things. Number one, they talked about trying to shield their properties as much as

[12:35] possible from the existence of this facility. We've done that. They've talked about not wanting

[12:40] to see a public entertainment venue. They didn't want to see a lot of cars parked there with a

[12:46] lot of noise there and cars parked up along the streets. I think we've done that as well. They

[12:51] talked a lot about pedestrian improvements and safety on pond street. In this plan, we'll include

[12:56] decide to walk along the western side of Pond Street all the way up to Han Circle.

[13:02] Everything that we've tried to do from the day that we brought our OPM on board and we brought

[13:08] Collears on board was to consider the needs of the community, especially the needs of the folks

[13:12] that live close by, and I think you will see from this design that a lot of those objectives have

[13:17] been met in this plan. This is an exceptionally robust plan. This is the largest project

[13:24] that the town of Medway has ever done or likely will ever do short of building a new school.

[13:31] We have seen some dramatic cost increases over the last eight years, especially since 2019

[13:38] when we commence construction on a BPW garage.

[13:42] So this facility will in and of itself be the most expensive thing that the town has ever built.

[13:47] But without getting into all of those specifics, we believe we have a plan.

[13:50] What's before you tonight is the site plan, is to take a look at this facility from the concept of how does it work both on the site, how does it work for the neighbors and how does it work in collaboration with other development initiatives that are proposed for the area.

[14:06] We even went so far as to hire the same traffic engineer that heritage used so that we could collaborate and understand each other's potential projects and how it would impact mainstream traffic.

[14:21] nothing, no stone has been left unturned on this, and I can't say enough positive things about

[14:28] the work of the building committee.

[14:30] The 13 members of the building committee were down to 12, one of the members has moved

[14:33] out of town, but we have an incredible cross-section of residents in the town and met

[14:39] way with incredible experience, and yes, I know two of you were on that committee, but take

[14:45] a pat on the back because the work that the committee has done has been phenomenal.

[14:49] And behind the scenes, working with this design team, we have an amazing group of department

[14:54] heads and staff that have been working not just on the exterior components that you

[14:58] will see, but working is...

[15:00] Well, with the interior functionality of the facility, it is an extremely exciting opportunity for

[15:06] that way. And the last shout out is the design review committee, because one of the things

[15:10] that we wanted the design to ultimately do is reflect what the wants of the community is through

[15:16] the efforts of the design review committee. And I think that they've also achieved that.

[15:20] So, Mr. Chair, remember the board? I'll stay along to answer any questions, but I'll turn it over

[15:25] I guess you're going to take it and start with it.

[15:29] Thank you, Mike.

[15:31] Great.

[15:32] Thank you, Michael.

[15:33] Thank you for having us here tonight.

[15:35] Dawn Walter, Principal with Dawn Woodier.

[15:39] And as you know, we're here to discuss major site planning review

[15:42] and land disturbance permit.

[15:45] But just want to give you a little more background,

[15:48] which led us to where we are today.

[15:51] As Michael said, we've been working for 10 months with the building committee

[15:54] with the DRC and the users, the users are extremely important because this is a program

[16:00] driven design. We're making sure that we're accommodating the spaces that need to occur

[16:06] in all three of the facilities that we are building as one complex. So basically what we're

[16:15] doing is creating a town center by building a municipal complex on the site. In fact, linking

[16:23] all three the town hall police in fire together with the town hall being the really the centerpiece

[16:31] of it all. Some of the images you see up here are architecturally. We're taking a lot of our

[16:37] cues from medway, historic medway, New England vernacular. We were charged with the term Yankee

[16:44] frugal and we take that very seriously with the design and symmetry but also the relates

[16:51] cost, and working very hard to keep the costs under control and affordable. So, at the end,

[17:00] we'll show you some images of the building, just so you get a sense for how it's been

[17:03] progressing, but the next slide is some of historic, and then some of the cues taken from

[17:08] the, from the fair home set in the building that we developed. And we tried to make a look

[17:14] like, it's a campus's been developed over time, right? So, if you go to the next slide,

[17:21] the existing site just to orient everyone, obviously, I say obviously. Main street down below to the south,

[17:31] pond street going up from bottom to top from south to north on the west side, the former concrete block site.

[17:40] What's really interesting about this site, when you stand on Main Street and you look across that site, like, oh, nice big flat site.

[17:46] not so much. It actually slopes from from from bottom to top, south to north about

[17:54] 20 feet right from 20 feet from south to north. And it slopes a little bit from

[17:58] east to west too. So we've been working with Langon with a civil and a landscape

[18:03] architects to craft what we think is really exciting solution. Go to the next slide.

[18:11] And just just to give you an overview on the right, you'll get a sense for just

[18:15] how many diagrams we went through, before we landed on where we are today.

[18:19] We went through a number of iterations with the way the buildings were configured,

[18:23] the way they were organized and adjacent to each other to what you see on the left.

[18:30] Again, Main Street to the south pond up to the west or the left side.

[18:37] start on Ponds Street with this formal drive entrance to Town Hall police and the primary

[18:46] driver for this was not only put the town hall in the middle but to have the residents

[18:52] come to the buildings that they might visit the most off of a less major thoroughfare,

[19:00] right, Ponds Street being a choir to street easier to get in and out of and as you enter

[19:05] the site you get a nice view of town hall in the police with all the parking kind of pushed

[19:11] up to the north side. And John and Rachel will get into this boat. This is not all flat

[19:17] around. We've created berms and trees and plantings to try to obscure the site, but not hide

[19:24] the building. So we're doing in a way to make the parking lot less obvious from the street and

[19:32] who buffer the residences up to the north, which is hugely important.

[19:38] There are a number of mature trees up here now, some native, some invasive.

[19:44] So we're working with conservation on what trees we would be saving,

[19:49] what trees that we would be eliminating as invasive.

[19:53] And we've created a berm up here to help visually block and block sound

[19:59] from coming from the building.

[20:00] Not that there's buildings making modern noise to walk the sound from emanating out into

[20:05] the residential area.

[20:08] The other important frontage is on Main Street.

[20:11] And as you can see, fire department is down here with their apparatus, egress in apron,

[20:17] fronting on Main Street.

[20:19] Primary driver for that is response time.

[20:22] With fire stations and fire department deployment, you want to minimize the amount of time

[20:27] that you're on the road going to a call.

[20:28] We're as police, generally, are patrolling the community, fire station, are stationary and they move out on to Main Street to deploy out to the scene.

[20:39] So fire station, which will have a very nice presence on Main Street, is located here, and there would be some public parking right off the Main Street for that.

[20:49] The last thing I'll point out just as the overview is that there is also a loop road that we've built around the site.

[20:57] So this is for authorized personnel only, this is not a public access or a townway.

[21:06] So if you come in for fire station business, you try to go right back out Main Street.

[21:10] If you are coming in as either someone who works in the fire station or a town hall or works

[21:16] in the police department, you would park out behind a little bit to the north of the police department

[21:22] building.

[21:22] This loop row would be for town hall employees to come and go and for police personnel to deploy or to ingress back onto the site.

[21:38] Next slide.

[21:42] So with that, I'm going to turn over to John who can get into some of the details of the actual application.

[21:49] Thank you, John Perry from laying in a civil engineer for the project with new Rachel Gilfoil,

[22:00] also from laying in landscape architect, and a few other far team members here as well.

[22:05] So I'm going to talk a little more about this site, some technical aspects, and then hand over to Rachel and then talk a little about traffic as well after that.

[22:14] So not to reiterate too much, but just a few notes here.

[22:20] So at any point, three acre site, 120 main street,

[22:25] as we mentioned before, the new building.

[22:31] Footprint will be 41,000 square feet, and it's a multi-depth footprint, so it's a multi-story building.

[22:39] As you can see, they're in white with fire, town hall, and police all connected.

[22:46] I'll talk about grading in a minute, but there's a step between fire and town hall police.

[22:52] So there's a corridor through here with a ramp, based on the site grading, we're trying to limit the amount of export material that we need to take off site.

[23:03] So as Dawn mentioned before, there'll be connection on Main Street with the Fire Apparatus.

[23:10] All staff will park on the Eastern Lot here.

[23:13] So if it's a fire fire staff or town hall staff will park there, there are a few visitor spots here in the southern portion of that lot as well.

[23:25] There'll be a secured gate entrance for the police park.

[23:28] So this will only be for police here.

[23:31] So there'll be a gate here at this intersection and another gate up top as well.

[23:37] And then all visitors to the site, you know, public resident visitors, except for those

[23:45] couple of here, will park off of Ponds Street.

[23:48] So there's 62 visitor spaces here, there's 40 police parking spaces in the police only

[23:58] parking area, and then there's 38 staff parking spaces in this lot with the five right here.

[24:05] So for a total of 145 total parking spaces on site.

[24:10] And in our application materials, there is a waiver request

[24:13] for the number of parking.

[24:15] I don't get into all the technicalities,

[24:17] but if you calculate out the required number of parking spaces

[24:21] based on the square footage of the building,

[24:23] based on zoning, you come up with a hundred.

[24:26] And if you're, what you're proposing isn't exactly

[24:31] what your calculation is, this is a waiver request.

[24:35] So we've requested that waiver.

[24:37] So essentially, we have the 100 spaces that it worked out nicely,

[24:42] but then plus the 40 plus or minus police parking spaces

[24:47] dedicated just for the cruisers.

[24:50] We will have seven accessible stalls on site.

[24:56] Most of them, approximate to the town hall and police

[24:59] department, public entrances, with a few in the staff parking

[25:02] as well. And we will have 16 EV electric vehicle spaces with 14 EV ready spaces for future as

[25:11] well. You saw the existing conditions slide before. We don't have that up. And you saw

[25:18] just how much existing concrete and asphalt and old buildings were on this site. There used

[25:25] to be out of the 8.3 total acres. There used to be 6.4 acres of impervious area.

[25:32] And the proposed plan has four and a half acres of impervious areas.

[25:38] So it's a reduction of about two acres of impervious areas.

[25:43] So we're adding two acres of vegetated green space to the site.

[25:46] Which you can obviously see, I think, in this color, color rendering of a half year.

[25:52] Beyond that, we meet all of the zoning requirements for a dimensional requirements as well.

[25:59] Setbacks, everything else.

[26:01] So quickly here, the site, as you see in the label here on the corner of Pond and Maine, is in the commercial business district, it's a great spot as kind of a corridor and a thoroughfare into the center of town here.

[26:21] We took a lot of inspiration guidance from the zoning requirements as well as the DCR regulations,

[26:28] some of the images on the bottom are straight from the DCR design guidelines and we really

[26:33] tried to hone in on those, where we put parking, trying not to have parking in front of

[26:38] the building, trying to have it on the side or behind, and really take consideration to having

[26:45] a nice frontage and experience for pedestrians

[26:48] either walking up on or all along the Main Street.

[26:52] Thanks, please.

[26:56] In a lot of what I just mentioned,

[26:58] it applies to this slide as well.

[27:00] So you can kind of see proximity to the rest of the town.

[27:04] Quickly to hit on stormwater in drainage.

[27:08] Currently on site, there's one existing underground

[27:12] in storm water system on the site which handles a small portion of the site. We are proposing

[27:21] to put in new underground infiltration chambers in the under the apparatus bay. It will

[27:28] be concrete chambers to detain storm water and then to new surface infiltration basins

[27:37] kind of a long pond street here, which we'll fit in nicely with some of our berms and landscaping.

[27:42] They'll be aesthetically pleasing as well as functional.

[27:48] And that's in order to meet all of the state and local requirements for storm water.

[27:53] We're reducing peak flow rates. We're infiltrating to the extent we can.

[27:56] This is technically a redevelopment project because we have less in previous area.

[28:01] So we are meeting the local redevelopment request on water requirements, which is 80% total suspended

[28:09] solid removal in 50% phosphorus removal.

[28:14] Those orange dots we have in the plan there represent water quality treatment devices.

[28:21] So we have multiple water quality suspended solid treatment devices, and then also one here,

[28:30] It's a storm filter, so it's a filtration device, and that's to clean the water for phosphorus.

[28:41] Okay, next.

[28:44] And lastly, utilities, just to show where our intended utility routing will be for the majority,

[28:53] where getting new utilities off of Main Street as you can see in orange,

[28:59] will be the Telcom. Blue will be the new water service and that's going to loop out to

[29:05] Paul and Street. That's been coordinated with public works.

[29:10] Suer will have a connection into Main Street as well and there's no gas proposed here, so

[29:18] there'll be all electric and there is a geothermal system proposed as well for the site.

[29:32] Thank you, John. I'm Rachel Gillesville and landscape architect Lange. So I'll just go a little

[29:37] bit more into some of the site amenities, as well as looking at some of these sections that

[29:43] we pulled so we can get a better idea of what this site will actually look like down

[29:48] on the ground level, not in plan view.

[29:51] So as Dawn mentioned, there is a lot of great change on the site, again, it doesn't look like

[29:56] that when you're out there, but it's about 20 feet from...

[30:01] From this top corner, down to pawn street. So we're really balancing a lot of things here as we're laying out the site, as we're laying out these driveways, meeting the apparatus bay on Main Street where it needs to be and then meeting these driveways on pawn street.

[30:21] And I'm a landscape architect. I want to keep existing trees whenever there are large existing trees on site.

[30:27] We also want to be really good neighbors to these neighbors to the north here, right?

[30:32] So, what's great about this existing site, there is a 75 foot buffer, those existing

[30:38] a zoning buffer that has actually existing in the top right here in corner here.

[30:45] There are some really mature, healthy, native trees that are existing here.

[30:50] It kind of fins out in the middle and then over on pond street.

[30:53] In the corner, again, there are some really nice, very old existing trees that do create a really nice visual buffer.

[31:02] Again, it's like 75 feet wide that it really almost feels like a true wooded area back there.

[31:09] So a big focus was how can we keep these trees on site?

[31:13] How can we kind of beef up the buffer where there aren't those existing trees on site?

[31:20] So, for the Northern Buffer, our plan here was to keep the existing trees where we could,

[31:29] where it made sense, where they were healthy, where they made a lot of impact, and beef up

[31:35] the understories.

[31:36] So, we're doing a lot of plantings under these existing, very tall canopies that will prevent

[31:42] more at eye level, will block some of the views and some of the sounds.

[31:46] where there aren't a lot of existing trees on the northern buffer, we are going to, as

[31:52] Dawn was alluding to, we're going to burn an earthen berm as much as we can there and

[31:58] plant on top of it, a very dense mix of mostly evergreen trees, all native trees, fast

[32:07] growing trees, something that will create a buffer quickly and then hopefully preserve

[32:13] these trees in this corner as well and same thing plant the understory and we'll get into

[32:20] those sections and on pond street. Here, this is a much more roadside condition when we're

[32:27] talking about any existing vegetation here. It's a lot of invasive, it's mostly invasive even

[32:33] when there are native trees, they're kind of infested by invasive and in order to eradicate

[32:41] the specifically the Japanese not weed that exists along this road in a way that we feel

[32:47] comfortable and as confident as possible. It involves a lot of over excavating and taking

[32:57] out a lot of soil, they're really tough, they're really horrible. So here we are proposing

[33:02] new plantings and taking a lot of the soil that otherwise would be exported off the site and creating

[33:09] a series of berms in this large-screen area here that creates a really nice pedestrian experience

[33:16] as well as creating a slight residential buffer for these here, while also preserving views

[33:23] and framing views of the brand new town hall and police department.

[33:28] So if you want to go to the next slide.

[33:32] So these sections show the pond street sections, so on the top left here you can see these three

[33:38] lines. That's what we're looking at here. So these on the left-hand side is

[33:42] palm street where these cars are. You can see here we burn up from palm

[33:47] street. And then back down this is a showing this walkway that goes that meanders

[33:54] through these berms. We have lots of plantings here and then here is the parking

[34:01] lot. You can see this is an example of one of the buyer retention

[34:06] that we have on site here is the Town Hall Plaza and the Town Hall building would be here and then here is another berm.

[34:16] So this is just to get a good idea of the scale of these berms that we're talking about get a good idea of the planting scheme that would go on and what that again would feel like as a pedestrian on the site.

[34:29] Next slide.

[34:32] And the needs sections are cut.

[34:33] You see these red lines here.

[34:36] They're looking east.

[34:37] We're focusing here on that northern buffer.

[34:39] We were talking about so this top one here is this.

[34:45] So these large existing trees that I was alluding to on the site.

[34:49] Again, we want to preserve those.

[34:51] They're doing a wonderful job of buffering the existing

[34:57] and we would leave up that understory plantings and plant new plantings as well.

[35:04] Here you can also get a good scale of the distance between the metostreat and the proposed building.

[35:12] And then here where there aren't really any existing,

[35:15] or maybe a couple trees existing in this area here.

[35:19] This is where we would be planting a berm or building a berm rather and then planting on top of it to get that same.

[35:26] buffer. And then here on the bottom, this is an elevation. This is as if you're standing

[35:33] on Pond Street. So this up here is where metal road would be over on the right hand side

[35:40] down here. It is where main street would be. This is as if we're standing on Pond Street looking

[35:45] at the new development. So this gives you a good idea of the entry drive here where you

[35:50] see this vehicle driving away from us is entering the site and how the driveway and how

[35:55] have graded the series of firms and by retention basins, how we have done so to frame the town hall building as you're driving up.

[36:09] And then here we get a little more into the planting scheme.

[36:12] So we're trying to do a lot of things here.

[36:15] We're trying to balance a lot of things as we think about planting on this site.

[36:19] So we're thinking about it in zones, so I'll go through each of those zones.

[36:23] But overall, the planting palette is fully native.

[36:28] It is drought tolerant.

[36:30] Once established, we are thinking, first and foremost,

[36:34] about maintenance.

[36:35] We want this to look good when it's installed.

[36:37] We want it to look good five years, 10 years, 15 years

[36:41] on the road, and we don't want it to be a nightmare to maintain.

[36:44] So that is all top of mind when we are thinking about how

[36:49] to plant this site.

[36:50] So the first zone entry gateway planting these are

[36:53] the driveway entrances at the pedestrian entrances, they really establish a sense of a rival.

[37:02] They're more structured planting, a little more full that creates a good first impression

[37:09] as you enter onto the site. Streetscapes and parking lots, pretty self-explanatory here.

[37:13] We want to plant really salt tolerant heat tolerant trees that will do well in the parking lot.

[37:23] that will provide a lot of shade plants on the ground that will be hardy.

[37:30] And our salt tolerant. We have snow storage areas. If we have another winter, like we did, this last winter, I think it scarred all of us and snow storage is top of mind. Here, we're doing a lot of plantings that will provide seasonal interest for, you know, the other 10 months of the year that we don't need it for snow storage, but then we'll also survive if we do have to pile feet and feet of snow on top of it.

[37:55] The plaza in the front of the town hall, here is the most garden-like planting that we would have

[38:03] here. We would have a series of these, you can see these stone walls, which I will also talk

[38:12] about in the next slide. That this came directly from the Design Review Committee with something that

[38:18] they wanted to see as we talk about the New England vernacular and talking about historical landscapes.

[38:23] There are a lot of boulders that exist on the site, there's old abandoned stone walls and very large boulders that we are hoping to reuse on the site strategically, which will create a really nice landscape feature.

[38:40] Existing tree transition, this is a zone, they're talking about if we can keep the large tree canopy and plant an understory under it that will provide a buffer.

[38:50] And then you hear these naturalized berms along Pond Street, and then the northern Burm Buffer.

[38:56] We want to keep that northern Burm Buffer as mentioned.

[38:59] A lot of evergreen trees, fast growing trees.

[39:01] Things that will fill in and will create a nice buffer for the neighbors to the north.

[39:06] And then our stormwater and bio-retention areas.

[39:09] These function is more than just stormwater areas.

[39:13] They provide habitat for pollinators for natives.

[39:16] They are a great example of low impact design, where we can create a beautiful landscape

[39:24] while handling the site, storm and water infrastructure.

[39:28] Next slide.

[39:32] And here we go into a little bit again.

[39:34] This was a great suggestion that came from the design review committee as we're talking about

[39:39] the vernacular of the site, wanting to see a lot of just these very classic

[39:44] Massachusetts, New England, Phil Stone Walls. So we are providing a series of these walls

[39:51] along Main Street that will provide a nice entry along Main Street and an opportunity if

[39:57] desired to have signage on these walls. Some of them will be retaining where we can plant behind them.

[40:05] And then here in yellow, this is where the town hall plaza will be the main gathering area for

[40:11] for visitors will be a series of these stone walls that are at seating height will provide

[40:20] a lot of seating as well as a really nice structure to the area. Next slide.

[40:27] And then lighting, we do hit all of the required, all of the zoning requirements for

[40:35] there's no trespass along across the property lines and we are in terms of lighting

[40:43] fixtures, we are keeping to that same historical, very civic, very municipal language.

[40:52] We are proposing the standard, medway, main street, street lights, and then a matching, but

[41:02] more site-scaled, site life for most of the site.

[41:22] Good evening, members of the board.

[41:23] My name is Stefan Zates, and I'm from Venassin Associates.

[41:26] As Mike mentioned, we are working on the heritage on main project, and part of our task

[41:33] is to make sure that while we're producing this new complex, we're also kind of having

[41:38] a cohesive mainstream.

[41:41] So with this we did provide a traffic study that we that it was submitted and we did design the conceptual first look at what an emergency signal system would look like on Route 108.

[41:57] Route 109, sorry.

[42:00] Of course, this is kind of a context of what our traffic study entailed.

[42:04] we looked at the two most adjacent intersections on Route 109 being

[42:08] on street and then the signalized intersection down a medway place and looking

[42:13] at all of our driveways and what traffic impacts will be there.

[42:23] For a traffic study, kind of the biggest thing that we're taking away from this is

[42:27] what our trip generation is.

[42:29] We use the standard Institute of Transportation Engineers, IT trip generation manual.

[42:35] In this case, it's kind of a different land use code than what you're used to, but we estimated our trips based on what's called the government office land use.

[42:45] It's typical for state offices or local offices.

[42:50] With that, we developed that based on our employee count.

[42:55] We were told that we had approximately 70 employees between town hall, police and fire department.

[43:01] So that brings us to our total of approximately 500 daily trips during a day.

[43:09] Our weekday morning trips are about 72 total trips with 53 entering 19 exiting.

[43:15] In the afternoon we have 46 total trips, 10 entering 36 exiting.

[43:22] There's a couple of notes to include when we're talking about the trip generation and how much traffic this is actually going to be developing.

[43:29] first we did not take any we didn't take any credit for the existing use in a lot of traffic

[43:36] studies something like the medway block we would say that that produced some type of trips

[43:42] and that we would credit that as a net difference we didn't do that in this case another thing

[43:49] is that 72 trips total might seem daunting or 53 entering trips might be daunting but this is

[43:55] up between three different driveways. Obviously a majority of these are going to be town employees

[44:02] going to work or police department. But that will be split between several driveways.

[44:08] So that turns out to be one car every couple minutes.

[44:17] We talked a lot about access, but kind

[44:19] of just covering it from a traffic perspective. As we kind of discussed, the main visitor entrance

[44:26] is going to be on Pond Street with the one way and one way out.

[44:31] The right most on Main Street is going to be for the town hall employees and police

[44:36] department and then we have two access points for the fire station.

[44:42] With that we did note that we're providing more pedestrian improvements.

[44:47] We have our paths that are going to both Pond Street and Main Street and those are going

[44:52] be connected to new pedestrian improvements for the project.

[45:00] So as part of this, it was pretty important that we all know Route 109 is dense, it's pretty complex.

[45:06] So we need to kind of put pen to paper what a signal system or how the fire station would actually

[45:12] interact with Route 109. See if I get this to work? Okay.

[45:19] So what we have here is we're proposing two separate mass alarms, one here and one closer down towards

[45:26] the first fire station entrance, what would be happening is this signal would be actuated

[45:33] from two different methods, most police cruisers or fire station trucks, they do have

[45:41] emitters, right? And that is the op-to-com preemption. Each of these driveways, all three of

[45:47] them, are going to be equipped with those emitters that are pointed up the driveway so that

[45:54] then a fire station call does come in.

[45:57] That signal is actuated traffic on Route 109 stops

[46:00] and that all the vehicles can leave.

[46:03] With that because it's going to be visual,

[46:05] what happens is as soon as that truck leaves

[46:08] and there's no other calls, the signal goes back.

[46:11] So that time can vary significantly.

[46:15] If it's just one truck, it could be 20 seconds.

[46:18] We didn't know that we did a kind of a conservative analysis

[46:21] saying, hey, if this signal was closed for 60 seconds and most of the vehicles were to leave,

[46:28] what would that do to root 109 in our study? We saw that we'd have maybe a queue of about

[46:34] 500 feet, but that queue would dissipate pretty quickly when considering that root 109

[46:41] moves pretty freely. Another thing to note, and this is something that a lot of new fire stations

[46:48] have is a actual hard wire into the fire station, so what happens is when the call comes in

[46:56] you know, before they leave they push a button and that starts the process for stopping traffic,

[47:02] so it kind of gives more of a better response to know you can leave the station quicker, so that

[47:08] will be located inside of the station.

[47:14] One other thing to know and obviously this is being coordinated

[47:17] right with a heritage on Maine. With that project they were looking at restriping of Route 109

[47:24] to make sure that was cohesive with the project and we've kind of taken that even further to say,

[47:29] you know, how do these two projects really meet together? So what we have here is part of our

[47:35] plan we showed that this is actually the residential driveway for the heritage on Maine and it

[47:40] does line up with the emergency driveway here. So both of them are going to be signalized.

[47:46] And whenever a vehicle is coming down here,

[47:51] Route 109 stops this driveway would get a red light

[47:55] and then the other driveway, this other side of Route 109,

[47:59] they'd all get a red light.

[48:01] So that we made sure that if we had a system like this,

[48:05] it would work.

[48:08] And just one other thing is that going back to the restriping,

[48:12] so we would have a dedicated left turn lane

[48:14] that would be able to go into the police department and the town hall driveway, and there would still be a left lane to allow for the residential driveway to turn in.

[48:25] If if a car was still there, what would end up happening is a 3109 would stop right about here, and these cars would quickly move to make the turn,

[48:35] making sure that in front of the station is always clear before truck leaves.

[48:39] So the residents can take lefts at that light.

[48:43] So, there's going to be no, basically the traffic stops right here when they're moving westbound.

[48:52] So, once the light and then they can turn left.

[48:54] Yes.

[48:55] So, there'd be no one coming down, they would notice.

[48:58] And one other thing that we've included, there are typically strobes on top of the mast arms.

[49:04] So, everyone knows, right, that this signals on.

[49:07] And if there is a call at the same time, the residents still has a red light.

[49:12] This driveway?

[49:14] Yes.

[49:20] One thing we got from feedback was about pond street and acknowledging, you know, is can a

[49:27] signal be built for pond street, knowing that it is a difficult drive to pull out of

[49:34] and get on to Route 109.

[49:37] From a traffic perspective, we have what's called a signal warrant analysis is pretty

[49:42] much of federal standard that goes through nine different warrants to say, well, does it meet

[49:47] it for vehicle traffic, does it meet it for pedestrians? So we went through that process and

[49:54] that was actually just after the traffic study. So we did do additional traffic counts and

[50:00] I believe that was an April of this year where we did traffic counts on a typical, typical

[50:08] weekday during school, and that's for 12 hours, with the worn analysis, we're looking at

[50:15] the highest gate hours of volume.

[50:19] So, those extrapolated numbers based on prior studies?

[50:23] So that was a brand new, brand new set of traffic counts, because our team conducted the actual

[50:30] counts.

[50:34] So with that, we had to look at a couple of conditions.

[50:37] First, obviously, the existing conditions,

[50:39] doesn't meet the warrants for a traffic signal today.

[50:44] The big, decide it really is how much traffic

[50:47] this pawn street produce.

[50:48] If pawn street produces,

[50:50] some amount of vehicles in eight consecutive

[50:54] eight hours within a day,

[50:58] then it would warrant one of them,

[51:00] We weren't one, which is typically our mass, mass doc considers the warrant that should be

[51:07] met before any other is met.

[51:11] In this case, it did not meet any of the vehicle volume warrants in the existing conditions,

[51:17] so then we looked further and said in the future, in the no-build condition, let's say,

[51:22] just the heritage on Maine was built with this warrant.

[51:26] It did not warn a signal then and then even with this project knowing that it would

[51:30] do additional traffic on on-street, wouldn't meet that warrant, and it did not.

[51:35] So, let's try to take both projects into account.

[51:39] And can you describe the no-build what that means to the public?

[51:43] So, that would mean the no-build would essentially mean getting the future as traffic continues

[51:48] to grow in the surrounding area, but this project, this specific project of the municipal

[51:55] complex is not moved forward but everything else does. So it takes into account some traffic

[52:01] growth, some annual traffic growth, and any other background projects in the area.

[52:08] So that traffic growth is millis, you know, Franklin, it's perimeter wise, it's not necessarily

[52:17] anything related to these two projects or this specific project.

[52:25] As part of that, it was worth for me kind of doing some digging and looking into-

[52:35] So I was able to get a copy of that corridor project and they went through the same exercise and going through the signal warrants.

[52:44] Back in that study was done in 2011, they said the signal wasn't warranted.

[52:50] It's interesting that between about 15 years, the traffic on Pond Street really hasn't changed significantly to kind of warrant any need for a traffic signal.

[52:59] based on volume.

[53:05] Can you go back to coordinated signal on number six?

[53:11] It says yes.

[53:13] What does that mean?

[53:14] So with that, the coordinated signal warrant means if it would benefit knowing that there are other signals in the area.

[53:24] So it doesn't take in a consideration an actual signal at pond street.

[53:29] It's just that what's like peripheral tube on.

[53:34] It's both.

[53:35] It's both.

[53:36] So we can go into the detail of all these warns.

[53:40] This is looking at both the volume.

[53:42] I think what the public is thinking, they want a signal at Ponstrate.

[53:48] Does that answer yes that we see up there mean that that it should get a signal?

[53:56] Based on what Mazda is saying for signal warns, it would not, because it wouldn't meet the volume warn.

[54:04] The warrant one is pretty much the overarching one.

[54:08] Even if you can meet other warns, they still recommend you should be meeting warrant one before considering it.

[54:15] So that's a gate you have to go through.

[54:20] Mr. Chairman, that's an excellent point, because this comes up frequently not just with this location,

[54:23] but other locations in town, and why don't we put a signal in, because at the end of the day

[54:28] the town does not have the authorization in and of itself to put signals.

[54:32] We do all the roadway, both roads, main street, as well as pond street.

[54:36] But we have to have state approval for that.

[54:39] In fact, one on nine project actually went through a full analysis that included the level

[54:44] of build-out going forward.

[54:46] We would have to go back to the state with the full traffic study and say, this is what we

[54:53] but the ultimate decision is to whether or not to allow a signal in that location is mass

[54:58] dots, not the town of Edwards. So even though we may find that it satisfies something

[55:03] by saying yes to the signal, it doesn't warrant it to be allowed by the state because we don't

[55:10] meet warrant number one with enough traffic. Correct. In fact, they would look at it more as,

[55:16] even though we could identify it as a true convenience benefit or even a marginal safety benefit

[55:23] by putting it in, the state could look at and say the unintended consequences are that you've

[55:27] created an unsafe condition on Main Street by having too many signals or having them

[55:31] too close together as well. So this is fresh in my mind from the 109 project. When we were

[55:38] looking at the various locations for signals and turning movements, etc.

[55:42] Sorry. Thank you.

[55:49] Lastly, we wanted to cover some of the off-site improvements that was discussed from public feedback.

[55:54] this was more about the pedestrian connectivity.

[55:58] Obviously we discussed about restriping Main Street in front of the project.

[56:03] Also with the pedestrian crossings, two places that we saw as key places,

[56:08] to provide improvements would be at this pond street near the dry bridge intersection.

[56:14] This is very close to where our entrances, but today there's no signage that really shows you

[56:21] it's a crossing, so as you're approaching from farther away, you may not even realize it.

[56:27] So we would be adding some new signage here and refresh the markings.

[56:33] At the Main Street and Pond Street, one thing that we could implement, knowing that there

[56:37] are pedestrian hybrid beacons in other parts of Route 109, because it's a four-legged intersection.

[56:43] It isn't as appropriate, but we can install rectangular rapid flashing beacons, RRFBs,

[56:50] across Main Street, so that when someone is moving east or west here, they will get that flashing

[56:57] notification for someone trying to cross.

[57:02] I think for the public, that's similar to what you would see at Chote Park.

[57:14] synchronizing the signals, especially in the method, the attribute, so.

[57:20] Okay, just, I know that realizing it is a state road and what that process would be

[57:24] off to the possibility.

[57:26] So with our emergency signal, it's a little bit of a different scenario when it comes only

[57:32] because it's primarily actuated by an emergency vehicle.

[57:37] The good news is that the other intersections on Route 109 do have that preemption so that when

[57:43] a fire when an emergency vehicle is coming down and enters root nine, as long as that line

[57:48] of sight is there, you know, that's going to get triggered down at medway place.

[57:52] And the same thing near Winthrop Street, as long as the line of sight can be seen, then

[57:58] that green is given for that emergency vehicle to keep moving.

[58:03] In the cycle, this goes back to its normal cycle left.

[58:06] What about the sequencing or timing of the lights in general between the Plaza and Winthrop Street or Milford Street?

[58:19] So we possible that they are aware of what's happening with the traffic and that they give longer greens to the east-west traffic when things start to queue up too long.

[58:35] It's something that I'd have to look at in terms of what's specifically in those cabinets but it's something that could theoretically be done.

[58:44] It depends on the hardware that's inside of the cabinets.

[58:48] Is that something that's a bolt-on or clip-in?

[58:53] It's more of a...

[58:53] Are we going to take the whole thing out really?

[58:55] Yes, sometimes it's more of just like the controller kind of the computer that's built in.

[59:00] So without knowing what's exactly inside of those actual cabinets, it'd be tough to say.

[59:11] Thanks to time.

[59:12] So in closing,

[59:15] we have a couple of images to share with you.

[59:19] As mentioned earlier, we spent a lot of time with the DRC, and we actually had a lot

[59:23] of detailed drawings that follow this in the interest of time.

[59:26] We thought we'd dream a little bit, and we backed off and said, let's do something

[59:31] just trying to show design intent without being too specific, too literal.

[59:40] And so this is taken from pond street, looking up the entry drive, and you can see town

[59:45] hall and police, and you can see kind of the back of fire to the right.

[59:51] And what's really important about this image is that there is a berm to the right, which actually

[59:57] helps to secure the back of the fire station.

[1:00:00] Because that is a little bit of the back of house, although we're going to keep it neat and tidy. It's the back of house.

[1:00:07] So we're trying to obscure that a bit. And then the detention base into the left, before we get to the berm, further to the left, helps to create this frame view for the, for town hall and police, while the berm obscures the parking from the public view.

[1:00:28] So, the plantings are still being worked on, Rachel and her team are doing a terrific job

[1:00:34] working on that with the town and the building committee, but we just love the presence

[1:00:42] that you see here on Pond Street.

[1:00:45] If we go to the last slide, we have a similar view of the fire station from Main Street with

[1:00:52] its entry drive and some of those stone walls that Rachel mentioned on Pond Street.

[1:00:57] So it gives you a sense for what's going to be coming without being

[1:01:02] be literal in our presentation tonight.

[1:01:05] One thing that I think is important, some folks may ask, why is this a giant complex?

[1:01:11] Why is this one big giant building, so to speak, instead of smaller buildings or separate?

[1:01:16] Because it's 2026 and one of the things that we identified very clearly early on, I think

[1:01:21] I mentioned this at the beginning, is that the current facilities that we have don't work and

[1:01:26] And they're no longer working, and we're doing the best we can within those existing setups,

[1:01:31] hoping that this becomes a reality.

[1:01:33] But what we did by utilizing the site and utilizing the design that's before you is that

[1:01:38] we also save money, and that we save money on infrastructure.

[1:01:42] We save money on utilities, on HVAC type systems, tell data systems, and importantly, we're

[1:01:49] able to function with space.

[1:01:51] So instead of a fire station with its own large training center, and a police station with

[1:01:55] on large training center, we consolidated those training centers in the one spot on the third

[1:02:00] floor of town hall. That's the training center for both police and fire. It also doubles

[1:02:05] as an emergency operations center. So we know based on winter or weather conditions here

[1:02:11] that we will utilize emergency operations functions in these facilities. It's New England

[1:02:18] and we wanted everything under one roof and the ability to be able to do that on one

[1:02:24] is fantastic. It is absolutely fantastic and it's efficient.

[1:02:33] That concludes our presentation.

[1:02:36] Does the berm on the right hand side is your entering that is obscuring the back of a fire station?

[1:02:42] Does it obscure the back of three unit plos of that's there on the corner?

[1:02:49] Oh yes. Yeah.

[1:02:51] More so because that's at a lower elevation.

[1:02:53] Yeah.

[1:02:58] One question on the rise for one,

[1:03:00] by the standpoint of looking through this wall,

[1:03:03] the digital and the snippet of that.

[1:03:05] You guys develop it, your full elevation that shows that.

[1:03:08] We will.

[1:03:09] Yeah.

[1:03:10] And actually what's nice about that particular section.

[1:03:15] I think we can get back to that kind of.

[1:03:18] We have to talk to you because the site is so open from south to north,

[1:03:22] towards the neighborhood because of the cuts that we are doing in there to maintain our floor

[1:03:30] elevations, where are we up here?

[1:03:36] There we go.

[1:03:37] So you can see that the site of the municipal complex is down quite low.

[1:03:43] So the berm is actually higher on the municipal complex side and a little lower up on the

[1:03:49] resident side. You can see it here also. But what that does is this burn does the same thing

[1:03:57] is adding a high burn on the resident side, right? It still skewers and creates a noise

[1:04:03] barrier. And then as was talked about doing the plantings, the dense plantings, the taller

[1:04:10] dissiduous and kind of protrusion and having some of that understory, we'll create that

[1:04:14] visual barrier that we're looking for also.

[1:04:17] This is a great graphic right near which shows the vehicles and you know, we have the headlights would be

[1:04:23] Yeah, directing driving you at the ground. You can see this right. Perfect of that. Yep, to pick up on that noise point also

[1:04:29] The noisyest part of this complex would be the fire station with apparatus coming and going back up alarms, et cetera

[1:04:35] The one of the earlier concepts that we looked at had that emptying out onto Pond Street

[1:04:40] By moving that the main street you've taken all of that noise factor and moved it that much further away from any residences

[1:04:46] that are existing today?

[1:04:48] I have a question about the fire station when you're going,

[1:04:54] I'm sorry, when you're going in and out of the fire station.

[1:04:57] So say they're coming back from an emergency call.

[1:05:01] Did they have a way to turn around and put their vehicle

[1:05:04] without doing, you know, one-on-one?

[1:05:06] Yeah.

[1:05:08] Absolutely.

[1:05:10] The apron in front of the building is deep enough

[1:05:12] that you can come in and turn and then back in.

[1:05:15] No issues whatsoever.

[1:05:17] I would also point out that there are double sided base.

[1:05:20] They're not full through base.

[1:05:21] For that reason, we had to allow that.

[1:05:24] I appreciate it.

[1:05:26] Thank you.

[1:05:30] One more question.

[1:05:31] Go back to the traffic study.

[1:05:33] You know, as a fall-up to the existing blocks,

[1:05:35] and if there is a solution or a fix,

[1:05:38] do we get sink those lights up?

[1:05:40] Better I think they'll be helpful as well.

[1:05:43] Think I'd identify whatever in those boxes

[1:05:45] in their capacity and what risk needs to be mitigated or cost associated with upgrading

[1:05:54] so that we know. Also, what's the timeline for a project like this?

[1:06:01] When do you expect us to be able to start?

[1:06:07] We are planning to go out to bid early December and then we will like the plan would be

[1:06:15] spring of 2027, spring early summer, we'd be breaking ground.

[1:06:20] Is there any type of plan for how to move when it's happening and how the public

[1:06:26] might expect to deal with the construction that might be ongoing?

[1:06:32] There will be logistics plans that will be developed for sure, yeah.

[1:06:35] I know, basically, we work with, basically, as well, where the construction manager

[1:06:42] on the projects are there.

[1:06:43] So at some point the public will know and I'm sure you'll be communicating in a Facebook video.

[1:06:49] And a special targeting?

[1:06:51] Yes.

[1:06:51] So the expectation is that in concert with their design timeline and Consequently's

[1:06:58] bid time, Consequently's the other part of this team, I'm not sure is only from Consequently with us to know.

[1:07:04] So Consequently's our Construction Manager.

[1:07:06] This is a Construction Manager at Risk Project.

[1:07:08] It's not a design bid build.

[1:07:10] Can you explain what that means for the public?

[1:07:12] Sure, a design bid build is the old traditional way that these guys would sit there and put all their plants together

[1:07:17] somewhat in a vacuum. They will do that. They will put the specs together, and then bid it

[1:07:23] You will get contractors then we'll commend general contractors. We'll do the bids. They will work with wild subbeds and then they will put

[1:07:30] The board of mind together, a bid package. At that point in time, they get inundated with request for information, potential change orders, things that come along.

[1:07:40] The committee at this point in time, for this project, decided because of the size and scope, it was necessary and essential to do a, what's called, a construction manager at risk project.

[1:07:50] The CM at Risk Project allows the designed team to work directly with the selected GC,

[1:07:57] so the town of Medway working with the design team as well as the OPM and the building committee

[1:08:01] selected a construction manager. That's consigly out of Milford. They are a very large company.

[1:08:08] They came in and one of the presentations they made to the committee at the time of this election.

[1:08:12] was exactly that, and he was a proposed construction plan.

[1:08:17] So the CM actually sits in on the design,

[1:08:22] works with all of the design team folks,

[1:08:25] and provides key information, key recommendations,

[1:08:29] so that it really cuts back the expected to be cuts back

[1:08:33] on all of the potential change orders or unknowns

[1:08:36] or variables that happen as we start to move in the construction.

[1:08:40] It's a two-year construction window.

[1:08:41] So if they actually, to Sarah's point, the expectation would be a special

[1:08:47] town meeting for this one topic on March 1st, followed by a special election that is scheduled

[1:08:56] to follow Tuesday on March 9th.

[1:09:00] We will spend a whole lot of time in different forms talking about the financing and how

[1:09:05] this proposes to be funded and what the potential impacts to the community would be.

[1:09:09] We're still developing that.

[1:09:11] We've got a pretty good handle on it, but again, all of the numbers is still estimates, but

[1:09:15] as the final bid package, it just starts to come in, we'll have a better, much better flavor

[1:09:19] for where that's going.

[1:09:21] We're optimistic right now.

[1:09:23] So, break ground, hopefully in the late spring, early spring, let's say, of 2027 calendar year,

[1:09:30] and if this is successful, we've got a ribbon somewhere in the middle of the 29th.

[1:09:35] The only thing, if I could have, would add, is you get the benefit, like Michael said, of

[1:09:39] constructability and working with the contractor at a time while all your trades are still

[1:09:44] publicly bid. So you still get competitive competitive bidding market while working

[1:09:49] getting the constructability piece with the contractor, which is a nice ad.

[1:09:54] Well, you also get the benefit of starting in the spring as opposed to the fall, which leads

[1:10:01] right into winter. So you can get a lot of your out of the groundwork done before. So that's

[1:10:10] I think it is important to note there has been an awful lot of talk discussion and there will be a lot of discussion as this project goes forward about traffic.

[1:10:19] I do want to recognize and thank the development team from Heritage because they were able to provide their traffic engineer with a lot of the legwork that was already done to the town.

[1:10:29] And that did two things. One it obviously allowed for a great amount of coordination knowing what's being proposed across the street.

[1:10:35] And the second thing it did was it saved us a lot of money, a lot of money.

[1:10:43] One other thing to add to my opinion, you had most of it.

[1:10:46] I like that.

[1:10:47] CMT Risk Approach is really an opportunity to control the cost, right out of the gate with the

[1:10:53] influence and collaboration between gocholiers and door and witty or into sickly.

[1:10:58] So you were ahead of that.

[1:10:59] And what I call it back and go in after door redesign for 15 times.

[1:11:03] We're working together.

[1:11:04] that teams are working together selecting appropriate systems and materials to control that

[1:11:09] class.

[1:11:09] That's probably the single biggest image to this portion, yeah, that we have.

[1:11:15] Yeah, I just want to say for the record, I thought this was a spectacularly thoughtful

[1:11:21] presentation, very unique design perspective, focus on sustainability, not just environmentally,

[1:11:30] but for the future infrastructure, fiscal health, of medway.

[1:11:36] And I can only assume that planning board chair,

[1:11:39] rudder, and building committee chair Harris had a lot to do with that.

[1:11:45] And the fact that you have already got a lot of comments from the DRC,

[1:11:51] just really propelled this initial design to where we're at.

[1:11:57] I had many pages of notes, and you hit just about everything, obviously, there are lingering

[1:12:07] traffic questions that I have, but in some technical stuff, but nothing to belabor here at this opening session.

[1:12:16] Sarah, one of the things through you was to chair, one of the things that's really important.

[1:12:19] You hit a keyword future.

[1:12:21] Everything that's been put into this plan is not designed to put 2029.

[1:12:25] This is designed for 2059 and 2079.

[1:12:29] This is a at least 70-year project.

[1:12:32] This is probably a hundred-year project.

[1:12:34] The town of Medway, based on the way this committee has

[1:12:37] forward thought, the way the design team is forward thought on this,

[1:12:41] will not likely be coming back 30 years from now and saying,

[1:12:44] hey, we need to do something different.

[1:12:45] We need to change this.

[1:12:47] Every bit of this was built with the future in mind,

[1:12:50] whether it's regional services, whether it's dispatch,

[1:12:52] fire, town hall services, training, meetings, meetings, meetings, meetings, everything was built

[1:12:58] for the future.

[1:12:59] So some of those traffic counts weren't necessarily just on the number of employees that

[1:13:03] exist today.

[1:13:04] But they asked us to look forward and say, do a bill, though, how many employees potentially

[1:13:08] could you have at 2038 or 2040?

[1:13:11] And we did that.

[1:13:13] And we, in quite frankly, were well-staffed today, but we had some level of potential growth,

[1:13:17] particularly in police and fire, and those were identified.

[1:13:19] And the buildings themselves are designed to accommodate all of that as of day one.

[1:13:26] I also think it's important to recognize that Doran, where do you, you know, they conducted

[1:13:33] meetings of at the, their house where the community participated in a lot of the feedback.

[1:13:41] I think it's important that architects listen and I mean clearly you did as we look at this

[1:13:48] And you interloved on the DRC meeting last fall, right?

[1:13:54] One of those members did.

[1:13:56] They have been paying attention all along.

[1:14:01] Thank you for paying attention.

[1:14:03] Anybody else have any more questions before we go to the public?

[1:14:08] Anybody have any questions from the public?

[1:14:10] Paul?

[1:14:15] Yeah, why don't we have you line up with the microphones,

[1:14:18] whichever is closest to you,

[1:14:19] And we'll just one question at a time, and we'll move through this as quickly as we can.

[1:14:27] And I will try and speak quickly.

[1:14:29] Paul York is seven independent slain.

[1:14:32] These are questions for your traffic.

[1:14:38] You indicated in the presentation that there are 484 proposed trips.

[1:14:44] Did you take into consideration that the movement and consolidation of all of these town services, which is very important, will actually create more trips than based upon

[1:15:00] The history of trips.

[1:15:07] Yes. So with our trips, we're looking at not just employees, but based on the size of number

[1:15:13] employees, how many trips does a town hall or state office create? So it's not just looking at the employees

[1:15:21] totally, but looking at based on employees, what size building does that create? What size trip does that create?

[1:15:28] That's kind of the, what these trip generation

[1:15:32] main use codes do.

[1:15:34] So I think what Paul's asking that was if the police station generates a

[1:15:38] 100 trips and the fire station is 300 and town hall is 100 that

[1:15:43] total number aggregated into one place is that any different or is that something

[1:15:49] that needs to be calculated differently?

[1:15:52] Is that what you're asking?

[1:15:53] Well for an example, we're meeting right now at a middle school.

[1:15:58] When this building with this complex is built, my assumption, perhaps incorrect, is that there

[1:16:07] will be an appropriate meeting location at that facility, has that kind of activity

[1:16:14] been taken into consideration when you are thinking about your traffic counts.

[1:16:21] That's my question.

[1:16:23] Yes, we do take that into consideration.

[1:16:25] Okay, my next question is do you have a representation of the traffic signal that you referenced?

[1:16:35] Representation.

[1:16:36] Your a graphic representation of it.

[1:16:39] You're talking about an emergency signal that's going to stop traffic.

[1:16:44] Is that an overhead signal?

[1:16:46] Is it on each side of the street?

[1:16:48] What's it look like?

[1:16:50] So that's shown on our conceptual plan that's included in the plan set.

[1:16:54] that does include mass-arms across Route 109.

[1:16:59] It's overhead, Paul.

[1:17:00] It is overhead in both directions.

[1:17:03] Thank you.

[1:17:05] That's all I have in Nepal.

[1:17:07] Last question.

[1:17:08] No, no, I've got some more.

[1:17:09] Well, then go to the end.

[1:17:10] We've got people here that talk.

[1:17:12] Everybody wants to ask questions.

[1:17:14] But I think my questions are as important as anybody else's questions.

[1:17:17] I understand, but the rule is one question.

[1:17:20] The Paul, just please, can you follow the rule?

[1:17:26] Ask a question, go to the end of line.

[1:17:28] Well, that's somebody else's ask.

[1:17:29] Maybe they want to go home.

[1:17:32] The pedestrian crossing on red pond street.

[1:17:39] There's a senior housing on pond street.

[1:17:43] We know that there is an increase in housing

[1:17:47] that's going across the street.

[1:17:49] You, members of this board have raised a question about signalization at Ponds Street, and the town administrator has addressed it, is there a plan for a pedestrian signal at Ponds Street that can be activated by a pedestrian?

[1:18:11] That is for the rabid beacon that we mentioned, so that will, you push a button and lights

[1:18:17] will show for RR109, a learning driver, so it is a form of signal.

[1:18:23] Thank you very much.

[1:18:28] Dorothy Robinson, 25 points straight.

[1:18:31] First, I want to tell you, there has been an increase in traffic on Pond Street over the

[1:18:35] left through years, and they travel at about 50 miles an hour.

[1:18:39] They have police have come out and put a sign up to control the traffic dip, it's so bad.

[1:18:45] But my big question is, how are the fire trucks coming out on Main Street?

[1:18:50] They're going to come out on Main Street, make a right, and then make a quick right.

[1:18:55] Again, into porn street, they won't fit.

[1:18:57] It'll be like the senior housing of the senior center where they had to redo the whole driveway.

[1:19:03] That corner right now.

[1:19:05] All right, hold on, we'll get an answer for that.

[1:19:08] Have you looked at the turning movements?

[1:19:11] We have.

[1:19:12] We looked at the turning movements at the driveway coming in

[1:19:15] and out of the apparatus driveway, both of them

[1:19:18] and going down.

[1:19:20] So turning on is a common thing.

[1:19:21] I, on one street, I have a row, which is not a big car.

[1:19:25] And when I go around that corner, if this car is parked there,

[1:19:28] I just have enough room to get around that corner, just enough.

[1:19:33] They're confident that the attorney movements and the fire chief isn't going to allow the

[1:19:37] thing to move forward if they can't return.

[1:19:39] I know, right.

[1:19:40] If they can't fit, but if they did it, the seniors said, did they had a driveway that

[1:19:43] the fire truck would make a turn into?

[1:19:45] I can't speak to that, but this guy is telling me and testifying here that the attorney

[1:19:51] movements work and he's going to have to satisfy the fire chief too.

[1:19:54] And then, because there's going to be traffic lined up there because of the light.

[1:19:59] So there's going to be traffic lined up on point.

[1:20:01] We had emergency lights going.

[1:20:03] We can submit a graphic that shows that too.

[1:20:06] Thank you.

[1:20:07] There's turning movement.

[1:20:10] Plan sheet in the package, which shows the turning movements within the site and on to Main Street.

[1:20:17] But he's going to submit an additional submission that shows the positive.

[1:20:21] Can you tell her the sheet number?

[1:20:23] That's what I've concerned about.

[1:20:24] Is that corner?

[1:20:25] It depends.

[1:20:25] It's very narrow.

[1:20:28] T101.

[1:20:28] Is Domino is going to be there?

[1:20:32] Yes, did you hear what she just said?

[1:20:34] I did not.

[1:20:35] She number TM101.

[1:20:38] So you can go on to the town's website and see it.

[1:20:42] M101.

[1:20:43] Thanks.

[1:20:43] I'm sorry, man.

[1:20:44] Go ahead.

[1:20:44] Thank you.

[1:20:45] Meg Ray, I'm 19.

[1:20:47] I just want to make sure my understanding is correct.

[1:20:49] We authorize that town meeting for the planning of this project.

[1:20:54] And the work that's been done so far.

[1:20:55] But you need to go back to town meeting.

[1:20:57] correct. So if this doesn't get funded, it doesn't go forward.

[1:21:02] Correct. So everybody here would have the chance to vote if on the

[1:21:05] end project. And can I ask of all other people? Everybody else has.

[1:21:12] I think we approved you said 7. something million for the planning. I was just

[1:21:16] wondering how much is left in the budget because it didn't look like there

[1:21:19] were full building designs yet. So the projected budget right now is just

[1:21:25] under 6.9, so the expectation would be that whatever is left in that design, funding allocation

[1:21:31] could then be a funding source towards the new project as well.

[1:21:35] Okay, great.

[1:21:35] Thank you.

[1:21:37] Phil, Jane Garra, 24 green valley, I have four comments you don't have to answer them.

[1:21:42] They're allowed to first.

[1:21:44] They're fast.

[1:21:46] Paul, did you hear a cover grass for police cars?

[1:21:50] Will you be able to use the stormwater for watering the grass?

[1:21:54] What will be in the garage, are you going to place solar panels?

[1:21:58] Oh, and what happens to the three existing buildings?

[1:22:02] Okay.

[1:22:02] I just want them on the record.

[1:22:04] Sorry.

[1:22:05] Through you.

[1:22:06] Yep, please.

[1:22:06] Okay, so let's go the last one first.

[1:22:09] We actually just conducted an appraisal on the three existing facilities.

[1:22:14] And there is an estimate of just over $5 million, just under $5.1 of value.

[1:22:19] The expectation would be to put each of those alpha private cell for the purposes of helping to fund this project

[1:22:25] So that's one option relative to those each of those

[1:22:30] All things would require millions of dollars of upgrade or upkeep if we were to move forward or keep those. So sales seems like a better option.

[1:22:41] I'll let these guys talk about the stormwater piece, but there is a covered canopy in the back of a police station for the cruisers, the shift cruisers that would be responding out.

[1:22:52] And before, when I missed two, I guess there will be solar panels on the facilities, each of the buildings has no right now.

[1:23:02] Fire state.

[1:23:04] Yes.

[1:23:04] Fire and town hall.

[1:23:07] All three have all three buildings have a solar right.

[1:23:10] Yes.

[1:23:10] And then I don't know if we can water the grass with the storm water.

[1:23:18] There is no need for our storm water use in you.

[1:23:21] It's about all of our current current.

[1:23:25] Correct.

[1:23:25] The new plans we're trying to avoid lawn mowers.

[1:23:30] So big y'all, so the question is about what's in the garage.

[1:23:32] And there is a view.

[1:23:35] There's an extra garage space for the vehicle impound.

[1:23:39] Potential overflow there on the rest of it is mostly seasonal.

[1:23:43] Seasonal equipment that would be rotated in and out of fire

[1:23:47] and the police has needed.

[1:23:48] So for vehicles that would not necessarily be utilized on a daily basis, so the boat, one of the police departments, ATVs, or UTV, they might be in that extra space out back.

[1:24:01] So it's intended to be a really utilitarian type building.

[1:24:07] It's not intended to be a work zone or a work site. It's just for a storage of those items that otherwise would take a valuable space inside the existing stations.

[1:24:16] And so for example, she see S-101 that actually has the sort of floor plan configuration, because I was most interested to see what the Sally port configuration was going to be.

[1:24:29] And I took that plan out, saw it in and out, not straight through.

[1:24:37] Okay.

[1:24:38] Charlie Myers, courtesy.

[1:24:39] I appreciate that the folks from Heritage shared their data on 109 with the Medway team on that.

[1:24:47] I do have a question.

[1:24:48] I want to go to the Ponstryed Intersection and I want to clarify, based on the online traffic

[1:24:54] study report, that's rated as a level of service, F is in Frank currently on the report.

[1:25:02] When you were doing the turns and studies and everything for Ponstryed, sliced and diced several

[1:25:07] two hour periods of turn traffic, but not a continuous eight hour period, which you confirmed

[1:25:12] when you were showing your warrant list, it doesn't, you haven't done the warrant

[1:25:16] one test yet on that, but I wanted to ask, when you did your synchro analysis of activity

[1:25:22] on 109 and then took a look at your cues for the traffic when the fire emergency signal triggers

[1:25:31] and stop traffic in both directions, so the trucks can come out.

[1:25:35] the syncroanalysis would determine the queue whether it's eight vehicles, ten vehicles, or

[1:25:39] 20 vehicles based on the flow.

[1:25:42] So there's two base numbers you can use.

[1:25:43] You can use the base number which would be without the heritage project or you could use a base

[1:25:48] number that includes the heritage project.

[1:25:50] So my question is which base number did you use in the syncro model when you were looking at

[1:25:55] your queueing studies because that has a bearing on completely blocking pond street and

[1:26:00] exacerbating the level of service F?

[1:26:03] In our traffic study, we report our cues for all existing, the no-build, the future condition and then future with projects.

[1:26:12] Do you're confirming the heritage numbers of the four and five hundred vehicles were included in your central?

[1:26:17] Yes, so in our traffic study, what we call our no-build condition, it does include the volumes that were portrayed in the heritage on main traffic study.

[1:26:26] It does not.

[1:26:28] It does.

[1:26:29] It does.

[1:26:29] He does.

[1:26:30] It only excludes this project as the no build.

[1:26:36] What other things are being built?

[1:26:38] So including the hearing.

[1:26:38] The question, the Qing is an important part of the puzzle because if the Qing of the apparatus

[1:26:45] is more than one minute because frequently you see the ambulance go out and then later

[1:26:50] you see the fire truck go out on call and so that Qing can double the backup distance and

[1:26:56] If you get to an 800 foot mark on the westbound direction, you actually queue across the

[1:27:01] midway place shopping district and even at the 300 to 700 range, you're on the eastbound

[1:27:09] direction, potentially queueing across pond streets, so you're blocking pond street and

[1:27:14] there's no provisions for marking or exceeding there, but a traffic light almost becomes

[1:27:19] necessary where the people from pond street could take 10 minutes before they can come out

[1:27:24] of the study just based on time.

[1:27:25] That's why I asked the questions.

[1:27:27] I think your study said eight seconds in 20 seconds, right?

[1:27:30] So I think what he's talking about is one of emergency signals, what that cue looks like,

[1:27:37] and in the middle of the rest hour.

[1:27:38] In the middle, yeah, in the middle of the peak hour, one thing that the will look to confirm

[1:27:43] is that we did kind of a conservative approach, 60 seconds.

[1:27:48] And I think what we'll do is we'll talk to the fire chief and say, does this sound right?

[1:27:52] It should have been more to make sure that that queue is, you know, what we really think is going to happen.

[1:27:58] I would be stunned if that queue of that timing to get the apparatus out of the station is longer than 27.

[1:28:06] I think it would be stunned.

[1:28:08] I read that in the report.

[1:28:11] I think part of the questions that I had about that is very important question because it's already frustrating to go from

[1:28:20] laws through downtown as it is, right?

[1:28:25] So what happens when there's those emergencies

[1:28:28] during the peak commuter hours.

[1:28:32] And sort of, I guess maybe a little adjacent to what

[1:28:37] Charlie is saying is what type of, maybe,

[1:28:41] communications can be, or communications,

[1:28:44] medications can be implemented as part of it, like when

[1:28:48] year jammed up at Shaws or even before Shaws to get through downtown.

[1:28:55] I'm going to, when we actually have a downtown, I'm going to stop doing her quotes.

[1:29:02] But I guess it's the perception of being jammed up for 5, 10 minutes.

[1:29:10] But maybe in reality, it's really only taking like 2, 2 and 1, half minutes to get through town.

[1:29:16] But I think we could, if we looked at technology, whether it's cameras or, you know, radar, infrared, whatever technology there is that's out there, recognizing that there is a long queue, runs a longer green cycle on the main road to clear everything quicker.

[1:29:37] So that technology must exist and knowing what's inside of our boxes.

[1:29:43] I'm continually frustrated at Holliston Street when you're at coffee street and it's like

[1:29:49] queuing all the way up.

[1:29:51] So I know that that's something that can be fixed if we know and obviously have the money.

[1:29:57] Well, it's really like this.

[1:30:00] Let's put it into like real life terms for a second. We just went through one of the most chaotic periods in the last 15 years, in terms of construction, all at the same time in the town.

[1:30:12] We've got Hollis and Street shut down. We had some of Street completely shut down. We were doing work in the square. There's also lots of stuff happening. So what did we do?

[1:30:20] So we actually took all of Route 126 and we shut down 126 because of the paving operations.

[1:30:25] million and then pay it while milling was at night, paving operations and we sent everybody

[1:30:29] down Adam Street. You know we did the traffic came down Adam Street and it started backing

[1:30:33] up because the traffic took a ride on the wind trip street to get out to Maine and immediately

[1:30:38] encountered the light. So what did we do? We tried to fix that. We put a police officer in that

[1:30:42] intersection to stop waving his arms to the traffic on a wind trip street. Most of it was going

[1:30:47] left to go westbound because it had already come off a summer street and you know what it did?

[1:30:51] immediately got to the next traffic light and then stopped.

[1:30:54] So then we had to put somebody up there.

[1:30:56] The reality was that the delay, from most anybody

[1:30:59] that was involved in that, was about six minutes.

[1:31:02] Six minutes and an inconvenient spot.

[1:31:07] I've seen it with Main Street Eastbound in the morning.

[1:31:10] Main Street at Franklin Street in the morning

[1:31:11] will back up from time to time, and it will back up

[1:31:14] back to its country lane.

[1:31:15] And it seems like you're sitting there for 15 minutes

[1:31:18] to get through the light, and you're looking to see what I've got.

[1:31:20] It's about four and a half minutes.

[1:31:22] And just tonight coming over here because of the massive accident on 495,

[1:31:26] everybody decided to leave 495 at Hartford Ave.

[1:31:29] And the traffic on Hartford Ave was backed up from maple street all the way back.

[1:31:33] And I said, I'm not going to get it.

[1:31:36] I know there's a lot of concern about traffic.

[1:31:38] There's a lot of concern about traffic lights and killing.

[1:31:41] About 20 seconds tops to get the fire apparatus and the ambulance out.

[1:31:45] Usually it's one ambulance and one truck and they're right behind one another when they go out.

[1:31:49] So the second thing is, we hear all about traffic on one-on-one-nine today.

[1:31:53] Can you imagine the fun that we would have by putting yet another traffic light on one-on-one-nine

[1:31:58] on regular movements, not just considering what would happen with this books?

[1:32:02] I think it's important that these guys get your questions answered and they bring some additional

[1:32:06] data back, but in real life of what we deal with right now, we're in that situation that

[1:32:18] And how do you make that a little bit better?

[1:32:22] Thank you.

[1:32:23] How have you done?

[1:32:25] I just wanted to add to that.

[1:32:27] Because I feel like some people in the audience

[1:32:31] are feeling like, well, when we have busy intersections,

[1:32:35] we need traffic lights because they're busy.

[1:32:39] Go try to walk through Westwood

[1:32:43] to get to work.

[1:32:44] That is the biggest traffic area

[1:32:47] because they have a light wherever it's busy.

[1:32:50] And it's the light's causing the traffic.

[1:32:52] So I think what is appreciated here

[1:32:57] is when somebody says, no, don't put a traffic light there.

[1:33:02] You really don't need it.

[1:33:03] And this is why I really want to listen to that

[1:33:06] because I don't think that just throwing traffic lights

[1:33:10] at every busy intersection is going to help anybody.

[1:33:13] I think it's going to make things worse.

[1:33:15] And when you have drivers that are frustrated, they become dangerous.

[1:33:18] Or stop signs?

[1:33:19] Yeah.

[1:33:21] Stop signs.

[1:33:22] Follow up.

[1:33:23] Dr. Roberts, 25 months later.

[1:33:25] Does anybody look at the beyond-constery

[1:33:28] in this section at Cottage where they make a left turn?

[1:33:33] Because if they stop there, it's no way to get by.

[1:33:36] If it's a cement truck, or whatever, going down to valiant.

[1:33:40] And I know people, including my husband that was raided there,

[1:33:45] going at the car was only going at 30 miles an hour, and his truck that

[1:33:49] raided and was demolished on the back, and there's no way you're getting through.

[1:33:54] So if you have the cars in a line on Main Street and somebody stops, it's just going to

[1:34:01] create, I thought it backed up to Miller's name, all the way to Miller's, I'm not kidding you.

[1:34:07] That's just normal bad driving.

[1:34:10] Someone with you.

[1:34:11] Someone with you.

[1:34:13] You're allowed to make a left hand turn on one or nine on the part of the street.

[1:34:17] Because of the traffic there, they're not seeing it.

[1:34:20] According to table two, when the crash study I read,

[1:34:23] it said, most accidents are occurring in daylight, clear conditions,

[1:34:27] which, to me, indicates that the traffic is the problem,

[1:34:32] not anything.

[1:34:33] The operator, especially when it's, you know, stop.

[1:34:36] And most of them are re-rendered crashes.

[1:34:38] That's what the crash is in medway.

[1:34:40] I'll re-rendered.

[1:34:46] It's a bad situation here too, and that this does exactly exist.

[1:34:51] Okay, is there any other, like online people or any questions?

[1:34:58] Again, one last comment, because again, it bears repeating why this location is so critical,

[1:35:06] because it is essentially the geographic center of the town of Medway.

[1:35:09] In addition to those points, we were making earlier about the future of the downtown and that type of thing.

[1:35:14] But from an emergency response perspective, you can't get a better location to respond to emergencies in the town of Medweit than on 20 Main Street.

[1:35:22] So that's one of the main reasons that we invested in purchasing this property four years ago.

[1:35:30] Thank you. Anything?

[1:35:31] on line. Okay. All right.

[1:35:35] Your chair? Yeah.

[1:35:36] I mean, I make a motion to approve the

[1:35:38] TETROTEC plan review budget estimate in the amount of 24,038 dollars.

[1:35:45] Through a second.

[1:35:46] Second.

[1:35:48] We've got a second. Any further discussion?

[1:35:51] Hearing none. All those in favor, please say aye.

[1:35:54] Aye.

[1:35:59] Aye.

[1:35:59] You know the motion?

[1:36:00] I'm going to make a motion to continue the public hearing to.

[1:36:03] What do you think?

[1:36:11] That's what we have to do.

[1:36:13] Oh, yeah.

[1:36:14] So peer reviews probably going to take a few weeks.

[1:36:16] They've got the data, right?

[1:36:19] Second.

[1:36:20] They've gotten the data.

[1:36:23] The peer reviewer?

[1:36:24] I think they've got the data.

[1:36:26] Yeah, no.

[1:36:27] So now they can start and they're usually three weeks.

[1:36:30] So September 8th.

[1:36:37] So you get a reviewer?

[1:36:39] Can you do the September 22nd?

[1:36:42] Yeah, I think that works, and if they're delayed for any reason, then we can just, you know, adjust if needed, but I think that's reasonable to shoot for that.

[1:36:52] It's a little bit of marginal safety.

[1:36:56] Then I'll make the motion to continue the public hearing to September 22nd at 7pm at the middle school.

[1:37:03] Second.

[1:37:04] Any further discussion?

[1:37:06] Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

[1:37:09] Aye.

[1:37:11] All right, great.

[1:37:11] Thank you guys.

[1:37:12] Thank you, Michael.

[1:37:15] Thank you.

[1:37:23] Thank you.

[1:37:26] Can I get a motion for a waiver?

[1:37:30] The reading of the public hearing notice for 10719 Main Street, 103 L Street.

[1:37:36] So move. This is pray that you can ride the Santa Trump in the bag and deliver them to the town.

[1:37:44] Why do we need that? Why do we need that? Why do we need that? Why do we need that? Why do we need that?

[1:37:51] Why do we need it all? Since we've already opened it.

[1:37:56] Okay, all right, so is there a motion?

[1:38:01] Second?

[1:38:02] Second?

[1:38:03] Any further discussion?

[1:38:04] Hearing none?

[1:38:05] All those in favor, please say aye.

[1:38:13] I'm sorry.

[1:38:17] Welcome to Multitasking.

[1:38:21] Okay.

[1:38:24] Good evening, gentlemen.

[1:38:26] Leave it.

[1:38:27] Just before we get going,

[1:38:33] I'm going to take a risk and not read all these rules.

[1:38:40] Good.

[1:38:48] Good.

[1:38:52] Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[1:38:53] For the record, Jonathan Silverstein.

[1:38:56] Council for the applicant.

[1:38:59] You're going to hear primarily tonight on the issue of traffic, which I know is a particular

[1:39:09] issue that people are interested in and Jeff Derrick from VAI is here to discuss his analysis.

[1:39:17] I know we've also received a peer review from Shrapel.

[1:39:22] I don't believe we responded in writing yet, have we?

[1:39:27] Oh, we did?

[1:39:28] No, we have.

[1:39:29] We have.

[1:39:30] But I think Mr. Derrick will be able to sort of touch on some of the high-level issues raised

[1:39:40] We've also been doing quite a bit of work on the design and architecture of the project.

[1:39:46] We were in front of the design review board last week.

[1:39:50] I know that's not the primary focus of tonight's meeting, but I think Maxwell's going to walk you through some of the changes on that as well,

[1:39:59] which we think are responsive to a lot of the comments that we've heard.

[1:40:04] And I guess with that, unless the board has any preliminary questions, I would turn it over to you, Jeff.

[1:40:12] Great.

[1:40:12] Good evening Mr. Chairman, members of the board.

[1:40:14] Now for the record, my name is Jeffrey Durk, I'm the managing partner with Vanessa and Associates.

[1:40:19] And we are the transportation consultants for the project.

[1:40:22] And also on the prior project you heard before you.

[1:40:27] I'm not going to answer a lot of questions as a relates to the prior project.

[1:40:29] However, needless to say very close coordination

[1:40:32] between the two projects.

[1:40:34] And I think is what you heard in this initial presentation

[1:40:37] on the public safety complex,

[1:40:40] there's some coordination still going on.

[1:40:41] So we talk about this project as well.

[1:40:44] What you'll see is kind of an involving nature of really

[1:40:47] talking about how the two projects interact with each other.

[1:40:50] And I think important is we're looking at the context

[1:40:53] of not only the traffic that we're talking about

[1:40:55] along the corner, but I think what we heard

[1:40:58] from the board as well as from the residents as this idea of connectivity for pedestrians

[1:41:03] of bicycles.

[1:41:04] So we are going to talk about moving traffic.

[1:41:06] We had a lot of discussion about that.

[1:41:08] But also, as we look at the context of where this project located, it's perfectly located

[1:41:13] for having dense, multifamily residential because of all the amenities we have in the area.

[1:41:18] But really our goal is traffic or transportation professionals is to reduce auto-mobile

[1:41:23] reliance.

[1:41:23] So these connections and safety, these connections are very important.

[1:41:27] So, as you think about kind of the interaction between these two projects, the important thing we're looking at is not only moving traffic safely,

[1:41:34] but it's also about how to safely have pedestrians and bicycles be able to use the corridor in the area.

[1:41:40] Next slide.

[1:41:42] So I think as Jonathan mentioned at the outset, we did have the benefit of peer review.

[1:41:47] peer review is from our standpoint, always makes projects better.

[1:41:50] And we think from the standpoint of the transportation peer review is the same thing.

[1:41:54] A lot of what they've done is consistent with what you heard the resident saying.

[1:41:58] What they're doing is basically asking us questions to test our analysis, test our assumptions

[1:42:03] to make sure that if we're off, if there's more traffic than what's expected in our

[1:42:08] traffic study, that the transportation system still functions.

[1:42:11] So they're kind of poking and prodding around the edges and testing some of our assumptions

[1:42:15] as well and we'll be responding to those comments.

[1:42:18] So I'm going to provide just a high level overview of the transportation analysis that was

[1:42:22] done.

[1:42:23] I can get into any of the facts or figures to the extent that you want to, but as I said,

[1:42:27] So we're going to just kind of give a high level overview of the study and then its findings.

[1:42:33] So first and foremost is the study needs that be conducted in accordance with accepted practices

[1:42:37] in the Commonwealth of the Department of Transportation since those standards for us.

[1:42:42] So they establish what we need to do in terms of looking at specific intersections, how we collect our data,

[1:42:48] looking at seasonality of traffic council.

[1:42:51] That's something that we make sure that the study was done in accordance with those accepted standards.

[1:42:55] most importantly is that we work with the town so that we understand what is evolving in terms

[1:43:01] of development projects in the area, the complex across the street, of course, as a part of this study area,

[1:43:08] but also other projects that may be happening in this community as well as in adjacent communities.

[1:43:14] Now as we look at the overall impact of the project, what we did find in terms of looking at the analysis,

[1:43:19] We've had discussions about moving a traffic along 109 intersections delays queuing on the court or when we look at conditions before and after the project being constructed

[1:43:29] We didn't find any significant impacts and when I'm mentioning what those impacts are what we're looking at is increases in delay and how those delays translate into backup or queuing at intersections

[1:43:41] So if you looked at the conditions today on the court or before and after we construct this project

[1:43:46] what we showed is that delays didn't go up by any more than 16 seconds, and any specific

[1:43:51] intersection, and that if you look at the backups that are happening at the intersections,

[1:43:56] what we showed is that the backups in terms of car stacking didn't go up by any more than four

[1:44:01] vehicles. So again, if you look at how you interact with the mainstream quarter, what we're saying is

[1:44:06] you will experience no more than 16 seconds of added delay, and that if there's six cars or 10

[1:44:14] cars in front of you today at an intersection,

[1:44:16] they'll be four additional cars in front of you.

[1:44:19] So that's what we're talking about.

[1:44:20] And then those four additional cars,

[1:44:22] getting through a traffic signal translates into

[1:44:24] 16 seconds of additional delay to get through that traffic signal.

[1:44:28] So that's how we quantify the impacts.

[1:44:32] As we look at the project driveways,

[1:44:35] and we look at how motors exit the project site.

[1:44:38] Now, is your familiar with the site?

[1:44:40] There's five driveways.

[1:44:42] One, it has the benefit of a traffic

[1:44:43] signal and that's where the mobile station is located.

[1:44:46] The rest of them are on signalized driveways.

[1:44:48] So I think consistent with what you experienced,

[1:44:50] what you've heard from the residents, is that if I'm trying

[1:44:51] to get out of the on signalized driveways,

[1:44:54] I'm going to experience the way.

[1:44:55] Especially if I'm trying to make a left-hand turn,

[1:44:57] we do have the benefit of having multiple driveways.

[1:44:59] So, more.

[1:45:00] We'll have some opportunity to choose a driveway. But if you're going out during the peak hours and you're trying to make a turn, you're going to wait.

[1:45:06] What's important to us is not so much how much that wait time is, because we already talked about we're not installing traffic signals one to quarter.

[1:45:13] So there is going to be delays. What's important is that when we look at the queueing on the driveway, is that if there are vehicles backed up on the driveway, we need to make sure a fire truck can get in.

[1:45:22] So that's what you heard in the discussion with Ponds Street. So as we've designed the site, we've made sure that if we have one or two vehicles,

[1:45:29] on the driveways, which is about what the maximum queue is.

[1:45:32] You can still get a fire truck or ambulance into the site.

[1:45:35] That's the most important thing.

[1:45:36] It's not about the delay, but it's about as those vehicles stack in the site,

[1:45:40] we need to still get emergency apparatus in.

[1:45:43] So we've made sure that that is something that can be accommodated.

[1:45:46] Next slide, please.

[1:45:49] Now, independent of the project.

[1:45:50] Discussion about motor vehicle safety.

[1:45:53] So as we're looking at safety, there's two things that we're looking at,

[1:45:56] as it relates to the project.

[1:45:56] It's crashes that are happening on the roadway and then

[1:45:59] cycline.

[1:46:00] So this first parameter is looking at crashes.

[1:46:03] As we look at the crashes tree at the intersections,

[1:46:06] and we'll talk about the intersections that we looked at,

[1:46:08] there were two locations that had a disproportionate number

[1:46:12] of crashes, meaning that the number of crashes that are

[1:46:15] occurring at the intersection in relation

[1:46:17] to the volume of traffic that's actually being processed

[1:46:20] by the intersection is disproportionate.

[1:46:22] So we'd expect less crashes based on the volume of traffic

[1:46:25] that's going through the intersection that are actually happening.

[1:46:28] So they have a high crash rate at those locations.

[1:46:32] There's another parameter that we look at as well,

[1:46:34] which is a severity index.

[1:46:36] So there's one thing of looking at how many crashes happen

[1:46:39] based on the volume of traffic going through the intersection

[1:46:41] and looking at that metric.

[1:46:43] But then there's also severity.

[1:46:45] So how many personal injury,

[1:46:47] how many property damage crashes,

[1:46:48] are there any fatalities?

[1:46:50] And the way that that's done is you give a score

[1:46:54] based on the severity, so like a fatal crash is worth 20 points.

[1:46:59] A personal injury crash is 10 points and a personal injury.

[1:47:02] I'm sorry, a property damage would be 5 points.

[1:47:04] So now you do a waiting of the severity of the crashes.

[1:47:08] There's no high crash locations based on severity.

[1:47:11] We do have two locations that have a disproportionate number of crashes,

[1:47:15] based on the volume traffic and those two locations.

[1:47:17] The signalized intersections at Main and Milford and Franklin

[1:47:21] and then main in Halson Street, so the two signalized intersections basically on either end of the

[1:47:26] study area that we looked at. So while talking at the end of the presentation about some

[1:47:31] things that we've discussed or that your peer reviewer suggested that we'll be looking at

[1:47:35] both of those intersections. We did do a parking analysis for this project and the parking that's

[1:47:40] being provided. It exceeds what's required by zoning for the mix of uses we have. We also

[1:47:45] looked at industry standard data, so going beyond the zoning is actually looking at what is the

[1:47:49] demand for parking based on the uses that are there, and the number of parking spaces

[1:47:55] that are provided also is greater than the actual demand that's expected for the mix of

[1:48:00] uses.

[1:48:01] And then lastly, the safety parameters, site lines, at the driveways, relatively flat level

[1:48:07] roadway with no site obstruction, so the site lines are perfect one, the roadway, the far

[1:48:12] exceeds what's required for the actual speed of traffic traveling on the roadway.

[1:48:17] And then lastly is a self-serving comment is that as you look at the peer review, one of the things I talk about kind of the methodology and the facts and figures, the peer review took a no exception with those.

[1:48:28] So the numbers I'm going to mention tonight about impacts in terms of delay in queuing in intersections, how much traffic are we going to generate?

[1:48:36] How is that traffic arriving departing at the project site?

[1:48:39] The reviewers taken to look at all of those parameters and said they take no exception to what we've done as a part of the study.

[1:48:46] So our presentation as well as your reliance upon those numbers is something that the peer reviewers said that they're comfortable with you relying upon our analysis.

[1:48:55] Next slide.

[1:48:57] So now I'm going to go into a little bit more detail in terms of what we've evaluated in the study.

[1:49:01] So what this slide shows here is the project site in yellow and then where you see these orange circles, that's our study intersection.

[1:49:08] So, as you look at the Main Street Quarter here, this is the Highland Street Franklin Street Intersection at this end, and then it's all of the intersections and the major intersections.

[1:49:18] We've added the Winthrop Street Intersection, that's a new intersection that was a comet that was asked that we include that.

[1:49:24] So, what is we respond to comments that's going to be a part of the updated traffic study, the Pond Street Intersection.

[1:49:31] Then we have the five drive-ways for the project site with the mobile drive-way being at the

[1:49:35] location here with the Nilford shopping center and then the Hollistern Street intersection.

[1:49:40] So all of those intersections as well as the entire roadway segment is a part of the study area that we

[1:49:45] evaluated as a part of the project.

[1:49:47] I'm going to show a slide in a few minutes that shows the distribution of traffic, so where the traffic is from the site.

[1:49:52] Where's it coming from and where's it going to and so that will more or less explain why these intersections are selected.

[1:49:58] pretty obvious in terms of I think that's what you'd expect us to be looking at, but that distribution

[1:50:02] of traffic also defines a study area next slide. So this slide is a little bit more granular

[1:50:09] in terms of looking at the study area. So what we've done on this slide here, as I mentioned,

[1:50:13] it's important that as we talk about the project, we're talking about transportation, so it's

[1:50:18] all mode of travel. So as we're looking at these alternative modes of transportation being

[1:50:23] pedestrians and bicycles, we need to understand what the existing infrastructure is in the area

[1:50:27] there for those modes of transportation and what the slide shows here is the entire

[1:50:32] mainstream quarter each of the intersections and what it's showing you with the orange

[1:50:37] lines is that's where there are sidewalks where you see the blue lines is maybe difficult to

[1:50:42] see here that's where there are crosswalks at the intersections you can see all of the signalized

[1:50:46] intersections have crosswalks that are part of the traffic signal system and then lastly as we

[1:50:56] invested money in upgrades to Main Street and part of those upgrades include the addition of bicycle lanes out there as well.

[1:51:02] So, as we look at this, what this means to us is that this is an opportunity to do that offset of encouraging these alternative modes of transportation.

[1:51:11] Looking at a site design that as sidewalks that connect up to the infrastructure, making sure that we have on site bicycle amenities.

[1:51:18] So again, these are opportunities to us to be able to design a project and a manner that does that offsetting of use of alternative modes.

[1:51:26] Next slide.

[1:51:29] So this slide looks at the traffic characteristics of the project.

[1:51:32] And the project really has two distinct components.

[1:51:35] We have a residential component, multi-family.

[1:51:38] And then we have a commercial component of the project site.

[1:51:40] So the commercial component has various uses.

[1:51:43] So we have a restaurant, use, bank, and then a convenience store with fuel and facility.

[1:51:48] What's important as well as we look at this is the board very well.

[1:51:51] And those, this is not a vacant site.

[1:51:54] It is a site that has commercial uses that are already there.

[1:51:56] These numbers here are what we expect to be the amount of traffic that the project and its entirety is going to produce.

[1:52:04] A portion of this is already out there. The mobile station is already there. There is a small convenience store. There is a car wash.

[1:52:10] There are the commercial commercial uses on the property itself.

[1:52:14] So there is also an offset to this. So these aren't all going to be new trips on the roadway network.

[1:52:19] But what I'm showing in the far right hand column is what we've termed external trips.

[1:52:24] So, after the project is completed, there's going to be a portion of the trips because

[1:52:28] of the, for at least the commercial component.

[1:52:30] That we're expecting is going to draw traffic from Route 109. That's what's known as pass by trips.

[1:52:36] An example of that would be the mobile station that, as you're driving along Route 109 and you need to get gas.

[1:52:42] You turn it to the project site, you get gas, and then you continue home, work, wherever you happen to be going. You'd be driving along 109 or Main Street, anyways.

[1:52:51] But because of the gas stations on the site, you're going to come into the site, purchase the fuel, and then leave the site.

[1:52:56] of the same might happen with a bank so that you drive in there as you're on your way to or from work as well.

[1:53:04] So those trips are trips that are already on the roadway and they're going to visit the site and then continue on to the roadway wherever the trip was destined.

[1:53:14] It's a new trip to the driveway.

[1:53:16] So I think importantly as you look at it, it doesn't.

[1:53:18] you get away from the site, it's not new, but at the dry boy, it's a new turning movement.

[1:53:23] It's a new left turn because you're not turning there today because the use isn't there.

[1:53:26] So I think that's important as well to consider, but focusing on the yellow portion, this is

[1:53:31] what we're expecting for net new traffic.

[1:53:35] So we're expecting on the daily basis is about 3,140 vehicle trips, so that's over 24 hours.

[1:53:41] And that will be half of that will be going in half is going out, that's not two ways.

[1:53:46] don't double that number. You cut in half and half and half out. This is the total

[1:53:50] letter to arrive at over the entire day of the project. Looking at all of the drive

[1:53:54] voice, that's what you to arrive at. During the morning peak hour, we're predicting the project

[1:53:59] would generate 269 new vehicle trips. It's 114 angst entering and 155 exiting from the project site.

[1:54:08] During the evening peak hour, there's 274 vehicle trips expected. It's 154 in 120 out.

[1:54:16] the 4,292 that's a Saturday number again half and half out and then during the Saturday midday

[1:54:23] peak hour we're predicting it would generate about 356 vehicle tricks 185 in 169 out.

[1:54:30] What I've shown in the bottom here is those peak hours. So as we look at 269 274 and 356 that's

[1:54:38] over a one hour period of the day and those one hour periods in the morning it's 715 to 815 that's

[1:54:44] in the traffic on Route 109 peaks.

[1:54:47] We'd add 269 vehicle trips during 715 to 815 period.

[1:54:52] During the evening, the peak hours five to six in the evening.

[1:54:56] 274 vehicle trips would be added during that one hour period.

[1:55:00] And then the Saturday peak hours between 11 and 12.

[1:55:03] So that represents kind of the shopping peak

[1:55:05] that happens.

[1:55:06] The project would add 356 vehicle trips.

[1:55:08] for you. Do you adjust the trips to account for alternative routes at all or are these

[1:55:14] gross numbers?

[1:55:15] So these are gross numbers. Gross numbers in two respects. It doesn't account. It would

[1:55:20] say purely auto centric looking right at the project site. Every trip that's made at the

[1:55:26] project is, is an auto of the trip. No use of pedestrians or bicycles. The second thing

[1:55:31] is there's no deduction here for the existing uses. So that's a key thing as well.

[1:55:37] So the mobile station existing traffic the car wash existing traffic none of that has been deducted from these numbers

[1:55:43] So it's kind of a worse case

[1:55:45] We'll look at what the impact of the project would be on the roadway network itself.

[1:55:49] These numbers reflect traffic on mainstream or one-on-one only correct

[1:55:54] I have a question as well

[1:55:56] When you're looking at you're saying you're not deducting

[1:56:00] The existing traffic that's going in and out of the car wash

[1:56:03] But, you know, good amount of those businesses as we know are closed, so if that area were not developed as an excuse with residential, with a large residential component, but was rather developed as a purely commercial area, do you think that that would be more traffic or less traffic?

[1:56:27] I mean, obviously, the peak hours would be affected

[1:56:30] because peer commercial use would be more like what

[1:56:35] between 8 and 9 or 9 and 10.

[1:56:38] But it becomes correct.

[1:56:40] So it would be more intensive.

[1:56:41] If you tell us, let's just say, if you took the apartment

[1:56:44] component out and built everything and there was commercial,

[1:56:47] or even if you reoccupied all of the spaces there

[1:56:49] with viable devices that we visited today.

[1:56:52] Never in a checking business.

[1:56:53] Be more traffic and then what we're estimating

[1:56:56] for the project. The other thing I would say is it creates, as you said during the peak hours,

[1:57:00] we call it pile-on. Because you do as you have a commercial corridor that you're adding

[1:57:05] more commercial traffic to. So, it just piles on top of the peak traffic flows that are

[1:57:10] already out there. Whereas, you look at a mixed use, there's a relationship between uses

[1:57:16] on the site. There's an opportunity for those offsetting loads because people from the

[1:57:21] There weren't symbiotic. Correct. Yeah. And you get this different peaking that happens. Yeah. So we would end up with more traffic. It was purely commercial and you would superimpose the peak on top of the peak. Just given the nature of the commercial quarter that is a state. Okay. So mixed mixes uses a benefit. And then just to add on to that with the mixed use obviously you have some additional things like transportation vehicles buses is this weekday morning.

[1:57:51] peak hour considering, you know, additional bus stops and traffic that's caused by that from

[1:57:59] school buses.

[1:58:01] So, so it does.

[1:58:02] And I think this is a similar, so it's school bus traffic would be any numbers.

[1:58:06] One of the ways to look at this is, you know, we're talking about a lot of statistical analysis

[1:58:11] and but the basis of those statistics is actually pretty simplistic in that the way these

[1:58:16] numbers are derived or comes at actual part of communities.

[1:58:19] And so what they're looking at is everything that we serve as a residence or community.

[1:58:24] So in the case of apartments, not only is it school bosses or in the numbers, but it's also

[1:58:29] FedEx UPS, Amazon, DoorNAS, these numbers are relatively new and that the data was published

[1:58:36] last year.

[1:58:38] So the data that we're showing is basically everything that we currently have in our lives

[1:58:44] in terms of servicing of residential communities,

[1:58:46] so it's good that it's in there.

[1:58:48] Impact, as ever, is like school bus

[1:58:50] is stopping on Main Street.

[1:58:52] That's not necessarily going to be a part of the analysis.

[1:58:55] Any more than, like we were talking about,

[1:58:57] emergency signal.

[1:58:59] We can estimate what that is, but generally,

[1:59:02] at least along a signalized quarter,

[1:59:04] it happens during a very distinct period.

[1:59:06] There's a backup when it happens,

[1:59:08] and then it cycles itself.

[1:59:12] So you might have a time where maybe for the next few minutes after the bus leaves you're going to have congestion, but then it's slowly kind of normalizes.

[1:59:21] So the same thing happens when you notice the signal, that's kind of the same type of average.

[1:59:25] It stops everything and then it flows and it may take one or two signal cycles for it to catch up, but it catches up.

[1:59:35] So as I talked about the trip generation for the project, I talked about our study area.

[1:59:38] It's important because as we look at these numbers, and of course they're large numbers, and everyone sees well, you know, it's 270 vehicles, 300 vehicles during the peak hour, and then you think back to what I had said at the beginning, which is the impact 16 seconds of that delayed for additional vehicles in Q, one of the reasons why the impacts of the project aren't significant.

[2:00:00] As because of what we're going to show, he's next to slides, which is known as trip dispersal. So, the traffic, as you imagine, it's very concentrated that the site, it's concentrated that the driveways, but then when it gets out from those driveways, some of those vehicles are going left or right.

[2:00:14] And as I get further away from the projects, right now, it's that's a peel off to individual intersections. So, you don't have a concentrated 300 vehicles going through a specific intersection.

[2:00:24] It's split up among the driveways and then as we get away from the site, it further distributes itself to each of the roadways we looked at.

[2:00:31] So what I'm showing in the slide here is the dispersal of those trips for the residential component of the project.

[2:00:37] So what you see on the slide here is what we look at the site is 55% of the traffic is heading toward

[2:00:43] the number 3 probably heading towards 4.95 to get on the interchange there. We have 45% heading

[2:00:50] to and from it will be the northeast on the slide here. And then you can see how it disperses

[2:00:55] itself. Once it gets to the hall of some street, once it gets down to Franklin Street and

[2:00:59] the number 3, how it distributes it up to those intersections there. So again, it's really getting

[2:01:03] away from the concentration of traffic as we get away from the site. The way that we develop

[2:01:08] this distribution is we start with U.S. Census data. So if you're a resident of the town,

[2:01:13] you report that you live here, you also report where you work, and so we can look at that

[2:01:18] census data for the town's specific for the residential component and say these are going

[2:01:22] to be residents of the town, we expect that they will generally work in the same general area

[2:01:27] as existing residents. So we can look at how do you get from the project site to each of those

[2:01:33] employment centers and what is the best travel route? It's very simple when you think about it,

[2:01:37] you just go to Google, Google Earth, Google Maps, you put in, okay, how do I get to Boston or

[2:01:42] or wherever from this exact point, it will send you out and show you what the travel route is.

[2:01:48] Not only does it do that, but it also tells you like, okay, here's alternative routes.

[2:01:53] So, as there's congestion on the roadway, because that's one of the things we look at.

[2:01:57] It may send you in a different route as well.

[2:01:59] So we look at those parameters.

[2:02:00] That gives us a starting point.

[2:02:02] And then what we do is we look at our actual traffic counts.

[2:02:05] So as we're doing our traffic counts during the morning and evening peak hours when people are going to work in the morning

[2:02:10] or coming home in the evening, we can then take that Google Maps information and then look

[2:02:16] at how is that actually being related to traffic counts.

[2:02:20] So that gives us another way of developing.

[2:02:22] So that more counts for localized, well, traffic.

[2:02:25] And so that's how we develop the distribution you see here.

[2:02:28] Next slide.

[2:02:30] I've mentioned that in words, depending on peak, commute time.

[2:02:37] Correct.

[2:02:38] Right, and some of that's built into it because as you know you're if you're using ways or anything like that

[2:02:43] It's it's accounting for the things that happen on the roadway, but also those congested periods and so as we're looking at it

[2:02:51] They said it will give you if you say all right if I start at the project site, and I need to be in Boston by 8 a.m. or something like that

[2:02:57] You put that in there

[2:02:58] It generally will look at over the course of the month

[2:03:02] You know what has been the best way to get the Boston if you need to be there right certain time

[2:03:05] So we look at those parameters as we're doing our mapping, but again, the traffic counts also tell us how people are actually using the worldwide.

[2:03:13] Use data from ways.

[2:03:15] We do.

[2:03:15] Sturgle that.

[2:03:16] Yeah.

[2:03:17] It's a very good source of data.

[2:03:20] So this trip dispersal is for the commercial component of the project, which is going to be different than the residential components.

[2:03:27] So the commercial trips given the nature of the uses with the gas station, the bank, and the restaurant use on the site.

[2:03:35] A lot of those trips, as we said, are going to be pass by trips,

[2:03:37] so we're expecting to drive a lot of traffic

[2:03:40] from the existing flow of traffic along 1-09 Main Street.

[2:03:44] And so we look at existing traffic patterns,

[2:03:46] which are full portion of the traffic from the roadway.

[2:03:49] And so if we look at existing traffic patterns,

[2:03:51] this is generally how that distribution lays out.

[2:03:54] And I think if you look at this in relation to the residential,

[2:03:57] which is pretty 50-50, because that's the way the traffic flow

[2:04:01] is actually working along the quarter itself.

[2:04:03] So that's kind of what you see here for the trip distribution pattern for the commercial piece of the project.

[2:04:10] So we've estimated the traffic.

[2:04:11] We've dispersed the traffic under the roadway network.

[2:04:13] We looked at the impacts of the project and then we, you know, developed recommendations.

[2:04:19] As we looked at the impacts of the project,

[2:04:21] a very spoken nozzle about the 16 seconds of delay before vehicles and queue,

[2:04:26] not changes the results of the project.

[2:04:28] What is important also is, as we talked about,

[2:04:31] I think you heard it with the public safety complex, as well.

[2:04:34] We do have conditions out there where we have specific movements.

[2:04:38] None of the intersections over our failing.

[2:04:40] We do have specific movements that are operating at our over capacity.

[2:04:44] So that's an important thing.

[2:04:45] So the pawn street approach you heard.

[2:04:48] If you're trying to get out of pawn street or lm street,

[2:04:50] for that matter, we have conditions

[2:04:52] there where it's operating at our over capacity.

[2:04:55] And so that translates into queuing.

[2:04:57] The queuing that we've seen on pawn street was about anywhere

[2:05:00] from four to five vehicles during the peak hours,

[2:05:02] depending on the time of day there.

[2:05:05] The signalized intersections are generally overall operating

[2:05:09] in a good, they're operating at a good level of services,

[2:05:13] we term it, so what we're saying is that overall,

[2:05:15] if you look at the delays overall, the intersection,

[2:05:18] it's generally on the order of about 35 to 40 seconds

[2:05:20] until everybody on average.

[2:05:23] But each motorist or each approach experience

[2:05:26] is it differently?

[2:05:27] The way the signals are set up is

[2:05:29] It means street operates very well, but the way that we get the traffic to flow well

[2:05:34] along Main Street is we hold the traffic on the side streets and so holding that

[2:05:38] traffic on the side streets means that left-turn movements from the side streets

[2:05:42] at the signal as intersections are generally at or over the pass and say there's only

[2:05:47] one move and I think that's over capacity, the rest of them are at their design capacity.

[2:05:53] So one of the things that we look at is, you know, can we do better?

[2:05:56] And that's one of the things that your consultant is asked us to look at.

[2:06:01] So we are looking at an opportunity to retime those traffic signals.

[2:06:06] Our initial review is you can eliminate those over-capacity,

[2:06:10] or at capacity conditions, whether it's timing.

[2:06:13] The reason that we've seen that that can take place is because one of the other parameters we look at

[2:06:18] is the volume of traffic in relation to the capacity.

[2:06:21] So it's called a volume to capacity ratio.

[2:06:24] And what that is, as it tells us, is the movement.

[2:06:27] If it's operating at its design capacity,

[2:06:30] is there additional capacity that can be accommodated

[2:06:32] by just getting more green time?

[2:06:34] It doesn't have to be a lot of time.

[2:06:36] It could be a few seconds, but a few seconds

[2:06:37] gets a moving vehicle for an intersection.

[2:06:40] So none of the intersections,

[2:06:41] if we look at the volume good capacity,

[2:06:43] a volume good capacity of one or greater means

[2:06:45] that you can't put in more cars through there,

[2:06:48] there's no movements that are operating

[2:06:50] with a volume to capacity above one.

[2:06:51] some of them are operating with volume to capacity.

[2:06:54] They're only using like 30% of their capacity.

[2:06:56] So what that says is that there is this inefficiency,

[2:06:58] very inefficient operation of the signals.

[2:07:01] So that gives us that opportunity to retime the signal.

[2:07:04] And move that green time around to get more cars through.

[2:07:07] So we can get rid of some of those ease and apps

[2:07:10] that are happening at the signals.

[2:07:11] So we're going to be looking at that as a part

[2:07:13] of our reanalysis.

[2:07:15] Is that something that can be dynamic?

[2:07:18] Yes.

[2:07:19] And I think that this is kind of a step back and something that we will be doing since we're working on both projects is how do we get that dynamic operation to work.

[2:07:30] We're working a manner that works with what's happening across the street.

[2:07:33] Now, what's happening at time, for a commute, in the reverse?

[2:07:41] There's some significant opportunities here that I think that can be leveraged as a result of this project,

[2:07:48] but as well as what's going across the street, to have that dynamic operation.

[2:07:53] So you can have the signals operating in a dynamic fashion that will take into account some of these things that you've been asking about.

[2:07:59] what about the fire preemption, dynamic operation allows for those kind of things to be

[2:08:05] accommodated by the signals and, you know, not to be seen like long cues.

[2:08:11] So the cliche thing of course we all know is AI.

[2:08:15] So that's what we do with these signals.

[2:08:17] And also a modern signal system is an AI system.

[2:08:20] And the AI system, it's not going in search of the internet for stuff.

[2:08:23] What it's doing from the standpoint of the traffic signals is it's measuring in

[2:08:29] So what it does is it looks at the intersection and it measures how many cars are arriving and then how many cars were not.

[2:08:36] So if it says if I have 100 cars arriving but then on the other side of the intersection I only put 75 through

[2:08:41] then mathematically 25 cars and get through the signal.

[2:08:45] So then what it does is it recalculates its free time to give more time because it knows I didn't

[2:08:58] measure. You put sensors. You were talking about radar sensor. It's what it does.

[2:09:04] Yeah, it's about putting more sensors out there to be able to measure info and outflow.

[2:09:09] So a normal traffic signal you measure info. So you want it to know. Is there a car waiting for a

[2:09:13] green light? But if there is, I want to give it a green light. When you do the dynamic operation,

[2:09:19] you put a sensor on the other side. So not only do I get input, but I get outplayed. And it tries

[2:09:25] the balance of those two things.

[2:09:27] It can also do the balancing to account for a diversity vehicle.

[2:09:31] So it knows, OK, I was interrupted,

[2:09:33] because the diversity vehicle went through.

[2:09:35] Now I get cars that didn't get strict.

[2:09:37] So now I'm going to try to catch up.

[2:09:39] Can you put sensors?

[2:09:43] Does it, like, you can have sensors at the signals for sure.

[2:09:48] But I think what is bothering a lot of people

[2:09:51] in town is like, I'm on Lincoln Street, taking a left

[2:09:55] out of Lincoln Street, it's getting harder and harder and harder to do, and part of the

[2:09:59] reason is because there are openings, but they're never at the same time. So you kind

[2:10:05] of rely on people to be nice and see that you've been waiting for a while and like, maybe

[2:10:09] you want them to let you go, but it's between these two lights that if they were stopping traffic

[2:10:17] more synchronized, then maybe they would be a whole, like people kind of take their left turns

[2:10:23] a little bit more often. Is there such thing as sensors that can go on like those side streets to kind of like

[2:10:30] let the two signals know that there's a whole bunch of people back and up on side streets trying to take turns and they can't get out.

[2:10:36] You could have students. Yeah.

[2:10:38] Right. So kind of a suggestion. I'll be discussing this with me. My colleague as well as the

[2:10:42] pond street situation. Yeah. Because you can do things where you can put a sensor that would say if

[2:10:48] somebody's been waiting for two long because of something that it would cause a change in one of

[2:10:53] in the case of traffic signals to serve a driveway or a side street, so that what does

[2:10:58] this break up a little long means for you.

[2:11:00] It doesn't have to be long, but just enough.

[2:11:02] Just enough things to get people out.

[2:11:04] By the break in the traffic.

[2:11:06] Yeah.

[2:11:06] So you could absolutely do that.

[2:11:08] And pond street is a situation where you could absolutely do that.

[2:11:11] And this sensor can also be dealing with the emergency vehicles as well.

[2:11:15] So there's a lot of opportunities here.

[2:11:17] And I think because of the folks throwing up lights everywhere.

[2:11:20] Yeah, and so what it does is it meets the demand when it's needed, but you don't have things

[2:11:27] where, you know, a coin car comes up, you stop all the traffic on the streets with that car coming from up.

[2:11:32] But it makes sure that, hey, if the delays are beginning getting a little excessive, we do something with the signals.

[2:11:37] Or if there's an emergency vehicle, we do something with, we signal with that intersection.

[2:11:42] So that we're able to kind of synchronize the lights, but also create these opportunities for a great size size.

[2:11:47] Does it require monitoring, or is it all dynamically adjusted?

[2:11:53] It's not.

[2:11:54] It stands off.

[2:11:55] I mean, there's central monitoring that happens.

[2:11:58] So when you buy this software, there's a company you have to buy a maintenance

[2:12:02] description.

[2:12:03] Yeah, but this is made to the hands-off.

[2:12:06] And so it's more or less something where once it's fine-tuned,

[2:12:10] it's collecting data, and then there'll be an adjustment

[2:12:12] period after that, but then the system is often running.

[2:12:15] And you only go back as if there's something there's an issue with it self-correct.

[2:12:20] Yeah, and Master OT, this is what they install on most quarters.

[2:12:23] You start to see this is being installed.

[2:12:25] Any place where you've got dynamic traffic flow, where you need to kind of vary the traffic patterns.

[2:12:30] But it's also something where you don't have to constantly go out there retime the signals,

[2:12:33] because there's a new project across the street.

[2:12:36] This is taking care of all of that.

[2:12:38] Next slide.

[2:12:41] So as we've gone through the analysis, we have recommendations.

[2:12:43] the first set of recommendations is what we call site access

[2:12:46] recommendations and circulation.

[2:12:49] I would say as you look at these these this is things that you

[2:12:52] was a board would expect on any good site plan.

[2:12:54] So it's talking about signs is talking about pavement markings

[2:12:57] where stop signs should be.

[2:13:00] If we have no left turn at one of the driveways I think we have

[2:13:03] data one of our.

[2:13:05] With a computer store is again this is all good site planning things

[2:13:09] that you would expect to see on a good site plan.

[2:13:11] So I don't think there's anything unexpected here.

[2:13:13] Just a couple of things I want to point out is really, as we talked about the sightlines,

[2:13:17] they're excellent.

[2:13:19] But we've got a very robust landscaping plan I'm assuming, just making sure that we

[2:13:23] design that in a way that we're not placing obstructions with real sight triangle areas.

[2:13:29] One of the things is, as you look at your peer review comments is they said, on the

[2:13:32] sight plans for all the sight triangles.

[2:13:34] Because what they want to see is that you can look up a plan.

[2:13:37] There's no trees or shrums in those sight triangles, so we will be doing that.

[2:13:43] This slide is really just intended.

[2:13:45] I think you've seen this report.

[2:13:46] Just showing it's really out of date, but what it's showing is just our consolidation

[2:13:50] of the driveways.

[2:13:52] So we are reducing the number of driveways associated with the projects of that.

[2:13:55] Reduce is the number of conflict points out on Main Street, which is a good thing.

[2:14:00] So we're reducing the number of drivers.

[2:14:01] Also coordinating a sign of pavement, marking plan for Main Street to make sure

[2:14:05] recognizes where the electrons are.

[2:14:08] This will be updated and coordinated with fire station because it hasn't been updated yet.

[2:14:11] So we're kind of working that through.

[2:14:13] And we are also looking at the proper location for our crosswalk,

[2:14:18] which that we're also doing with the public safety complex

[2:14:21] as to see where do we want to have a crossing of Main Street

[2:14:23] to be able to make sure that people get to the new public safety

[2:14:27] complex, town hall, but also across the street

[2:14:29] to where the shopping opportunities are as well.

[2:14:31] So that's a work and progress that we're looking at.

[2:14:36] So the recommendations and off-site,

[2:14:39] so the safety enhancement.

[2:14:40] And so I had mentioned we have two locations that have a disproportionate number of crashes

[2:14:44] in relation to the volume of traffic, going through the intersection.

[2:14:48] What has been suggested is that we coordinate with the town to undertake what's known

[2:14:52] as a road safety audit.

[2:14:53] So you may have heard of those, but what they are as basically, it's a design show at where

[2:14:58] we did together with town officials.

[2:15:00] And we talk about, especially, please fire planning as well to talk about what's happening in terms of, you know, where are the crashes happening at the specific intersections?

[2:15:08] And then talk about what can be done to fix those crash patterns at the intersections.

[2:15:13] Because at that signal as intersections, generally what comes out of that is signal returning, which is something that we're going to be evaluating, signs of pavement markings as well.

[2:15:22] We'll also be some of the recommendations that will come out of that.

[2:15:25] So that's one of the things that your peer reviewer does to look at.

[2:15:29] What's not in here is the signal retiming.

[2:15:31] So we are actively doing that to see if there's opportunities

[2:15:33] to improve the flow of traffic along the quarter.

[2:15:37] I'm sorry.

[2:15:38] Transportation to be in management measures.

[2:15:40] So this is a part of the project and these are things

[2:15:42] that we will be doing to encourage the residents

[2:15:44] and also the employees to potentially use

[2:15:47] alternative modes of transportation,

[2:15:49] walking, biking, public transportation,

[2:15:51] or all opportunities we want to make sure

[2:15:53] they're all aware of what these opportunities are.

[2:15:56] And then, of course, as we look at the design of the site,

[2:15:58] to make sure it's designed to accommodate access

[2:16:01] to these modes of transportation.

[2:16:03] Definitely, can I interpret again?

[2:16:05] Can you make any connections with Gatra?

[2:16:09] Yes.

[2:16:09] OK.

[2:16:09] Thank you.

[2:16:10] I think that that's very important for us to do that.

[2:16:12] We've done that on a few projects.

[2:16:14] And they've been open to doing it.

[2:16:16] They do have some requirements in terms of if they were

[2:16:18] to establish a bus stop of what they want to see.

[2:16:21] So we just generally is we want to cut out for a bus stop because we don't want the bus stopping on Main Street

[2:16:26] We want a little pull off, but that's something they used to have a stop at driverage crossing. Yes.

[2:16:31] Thank you.

[2:16:32] Thank you.

[2:16:33] I just looked down there and we're being generally showing the middle school and the middle school.

[2:16:37] Oh, that's right.

[2:16:38] Do you move through here?

[2:16:39] Um, post office.

[2:16:41] And then our folks.

[2:16:42] Or you can't reach out to us.

[2:16:44] Or you can reach out to us.

[2:16:45] Or you can reach out to us.

[2:16:48] So they basically carpool to the transition in March.

[2:16:54] That weighs on M.P.T.A.

[2:16:55] Yeah, you can park here and then get picked up.

[2:16:59] And then get to the training center.

[2:17:02] That's a section that more of a transition.

[2:17:03] Yeah, I think it's the, you know, having dense multi-family

[2:17:06] at this location is something that obviously

[2:17:08] it's a lot of riders in one location.

[2:17:10] That might give them an opportunity

[2:17:11] to be able to make it offset some of the costs.

[2:17:14] I know they've been, I think it's fair free.

[2:17:16] And it's very extreme June of the 27th, yes.

[2:17:20] So it's certainly an opportunity for them

[2:17:22] to get more ridership as well.

[2:17:25] So next steps in terms of what we need to do,

[2:17:28] we need to respond to the peer review letter.

[2:17:31] One of the things, so we're actively doing that,

[2:17:33] as I mentioned, one of the things that they'd ask is,

[2:17:35] or actually the town it asks as well,

[2:17:37] that we look at that additional intersection.

[2:17:39] So we have to undertake traffic counts,

[2:17:41] which have all been done at that intersection,

[2:17:42] and we're analyzing it.

[2:17:43] We're expecting that next week, we will issue that letter, so we'll have all of the information

[2:17:49] I talked about tonight, updated, respond to all of the comments that were provided as a part

[2:17:54] of the peer review, including adding that intersection, looking at retirement, the traffic

[2:17:58] signals, and then delivering, it'll be an updated traffic study with a response letter and that

[2:18:03] will come in next week, so I think as you're thinking about next meetings, hopefully that will

[2:18:09] get a time for the peer review to digest what we submitted and then be able to report back

[2:18:13] to open it that we've cleaned up all of your outstanding items.

[2:18:17] It's not.

[2:18:18] Yes.

[2:18:19] Yes.

[2:18:20] And that's why it's, again, great to have another professional on your side

[2:18:23] that's looking at it.

[2:18:25] So you can ask me questions, but also ask them questions on it as well.

[2:18:28] We're going to have the public ask question.

[2:18:30] You're ready for that.

[2:18:31] Absolutely.

[2:18:35] Do you mind that?

[2:18:36] Do you prefer to maybe go through the remainder of the presentation?

[2:18:43] Let's do traffic first while everybody's got their brain on.

[2:18:49] I'm sorry.

[2:18:53] I want them to address it first.

[2:18:58] Okay.

[2:18:59] I want you guys introduce yourselves.

[2:19:06] So Patrick Bradley, the chat wants you there.

[2:19:08] Just for the record.

[2:19:09] So we did submit the traffic view letter.

[2:19:12] Jeff kind of touched upon a bunch of the points.

[2:19:14] Do you guys are our consultants who we have on that?

[2:19:17] Yes.

[2:19:18] Yes.

[2:19:18] Do you?

[2:19:18] Does this matter be the letter that I'm being addressing?

[2:19:22] So, okay.

[2:19:23] So, you were hired by Tetra Tech?

[2:19:27] Yes.

[2:19:28] Yes.

[2:19:31] I'm sorry.

[2:19:31] I just want to give everybody context as to who you are.

[2:19:34] You represent the town's interest.

[2:19:37] Yes.

[2:19:37] We're interested in you.

[2:19:38] We're interested in you.

[2:19:41] Yes.

[2:19:41] basically evaluate what they're saying, give feedback and then make sure that we're protected.

[2:19:47] So we review the study.

[2:19:49] You know, we compare it to industry standards.

[2:19:50] You know, check their math.

[2:19:52] I don't want to know what standards that is.

[2:19:54] So mass DOT guidelines for truck reporting.

[2:19:58] It's mostly a lot.

[2:20:00] Yeah.

[2:20:00] And they know it.

[2:20:00] But the people here, we want to make sure they understand that you know what you're doing and that you represent us.

[2:20:08] Yeah.

[2:20:08] Of course.

[2:20:10] So I can do a quick run through, he kind of went through a lot of the points that we did in our report and we obviously don't have the review letter from them back for their responses, but I can kind of go through real quick just to not.

[2:20:23] You concerned about your hit those.

[2:20:26] Yes, so one of the main concerns was some of the crash data that was noticed at some two intersections, the main street at Milford Franklin and Hawkson, they already said they were going to look into

[2:20:38] as well as recommended RSAs for those locations as well, just to look and to see if there's

[2:20:43] anything that can be done to mitigate some of those crashes.

[2:20:48] One of the other main points was with some of the background developments.

[2:20:52] So they looked at some background developments, one of which being the municipality project across

[2:20:55] the street from their project.

[2:20:58] At the time of the study, they indicated that traffic from that site would be minimal and

[2:21:03] was not included within the study, but since the location is directly opposite of one of

[2:21:07] the driveway, especially the residential driveway, and with the potential implementation

[2:21:12] of a signal that can stop traffic in that area, we would just want to have that also included

[2:21:16] in the analysis. The traffic from that site as well as any mitigation from the site, including

[2:21:22] any signals that might stop traffic along Main Street. We would want that to be included as well.

[2:21:29] Winthrop Street was also another one that original location was not included with the study.

[2:21:34] They're now they got data for there. They're doing analysis. So we want to take a look at that as well.

[2:21:40] To go through that, just to make sure that there's no issues in terms of level service.

[2:21:44] And as well as the distribution of traffic, see if there's any traffic that would be disputed on to Winthrop.

[2:21:49] Now that they have data for that intersection.

[2:21:54] And then, yeah, just mostly looking at single timing changes for some of the signals, as they

[2:22:00] noted that some, especially like, Millford Street had high cues for turning left off of

[2:22:05] Millford Street, so looking at that intersection to see if there's any changes that can be done

[2:22:08] or signal timing changes.

[2:22:10] So, a lot of the points that they had already brought up in the presentation here are points

[2:22:13] that we had made up in our study.

[2:22:15] So, once we get their study comments back, we can provide more context and more analysis

[2:22:22] on our end.

[2:22:23] Okay.

[2:22:23] Great.

[2:22:24] Thank you.

[2:22:24] Yeah.

[2:22:25] Thanks.

[2:22:26] I got a question.

[2:22:26] Sure, go on.

[2:22:28] For earlier tonight when we talked about-

[2:22:30] The deployment of a traffic signal. We talked about there were criteria. I think we called them Warrens. Yes. And then the approving body was, I think, nasty OT.

[2:22:40] So the, because so nasty OT sets criteria. I mean, I think that's what the chair was kind of asking as well as what is the criteria. So we followed the standards that the Department of Transportation sets.

[2:22:54] This is a town road, even though it's a state number of the route, so it is under town control.

[2:23:00] Mass DOT's guidance says that they prefer and their preferences that you need signal warrant 1 in order to warrant a signal on a state highway.

[2:23:12] This is a state number of route, but it's under town jurisdiction.

[2:23:16] So as you're looking at those criteria, we have warranted signals that don't need warrant 1.

[2:23:22] So one, as you saw, is one of nine warrants that are looked at.

[2:23:27] It's the most stringent of all of the nine warrants.

[2:23:30] It's the most difficult to meet.

[2:23:32] And so what they're doing, as you heard, is that they don't have signals everywhere.

[2:23:36] So warrants, one, is the most difficult warrant to meet.

[2:23:38] And you basically have to have a certain volume of traffic in the case of pondsry.

[2:23:42] You have to have certain volume of traffic coming down pondsry,

[2:23:45] for a continuous eight hours of the day in relation to the volume of traffic on Main Street.

[2:23:50] That is a very hard standard to meet, especially when it's residential or senior.

[2:23:56] It's not generating a lot of traffic.

[2:23:58] You have to pump every hour for eight hours of the day.

[2:24:01] There has to be at least 100 vehicles.

[2:24:04] Every single hour for eight hours coming down that street.

[2:24:07] It does not have that volume.

[2:24:10] So it's not going to meet more of one.

[2:24:12] It may meet some of the other words that you saw on the slide that was there.

[2:24:16] So, when we're not, you take those all in a consideration.

[2:24:21] So, it's not hard and fast.

[2:24:22] D-O-Mask, D-O-T says we want you to need warm one.

[2:24:25] But there may be instances where a signal is needed

[2:24:27] for one of those affords.

[2:24:29] As long as you need a warrant under federal criteria,

[2:24:34] you can install a traffic signal.

[2:24:36] Mask D-O-T just says, if you're on a state highway,

[2:24:38] warm one, you're not going to say no, we have met other warts.

[2:24:41] We've met warrant two, which means you only have to meet

[2:24:44] that volume for four hours of the day.

[2:24:45] and it happened to be for a facility that was generating a large number of track-to-trailers.

[2:24:52] And so we made the argument of saying, this is a public safety issue because having a track-to-trailer

[2:24:57] trying to make a left-hand turn from an unsignalized intersection across four lanes of traffic going

[2:25:02] 50 miles an hour, nobody wants that, but we don't meet more at one, but we do meet more at two,

[2:25:08] being signal, the signal was installed. So it's preferred, as you meet more at one,

[2:25:13] But you need to look at all the warrants, and there may be a safety reason why a signal is justified for one of those other warrants, and you make the case for that.

[2:25:21] Okay.

[2:25:21] Thank you.

[2:25:22] Relative to the signal timing.

[2:25:25] I was wondering if there's criteria for that.

[2:25:27] And also I think we talked about what I would consider maybe like a technology enhancement.

[2:25:31] If you were to use like dynamic capabilities to assess traffic, is there criteria associated with that?

[2:25:38] So, the signal timing you can do any time, it's recommended that it's done every year, and you're supposed to review the signal timing to have the volume of traffic and see if there's a need to make the adjustments of the signal, but no department transportation has money to do that.

[2:25:52] So they really, in, in, at least the commonwealth, they rely upon private development projects like this. You go in, you add traffic. You should look at the signal timing to see if it accommodates the increased volume, but also change in traffic patterns.

[2:26:04] There's no real criteria, you know, it's good practice that you review the signals to see if they're needed.

[2:26:10] In terms of adding dynamic operation, it's really a cost-related item.

[2:26:17] So it's really is there a benefit that outweighs the cost to installing the dynamic system.

[2:26:23] And so that's really a cost-benefit analysis.

[2:26:26] A modern traffic signal controller, you can, you can re-time it.

[2:26:29] You can put the appropriate sensors and have it operate appropriately.

[2:26:32] When you start looking at dynamic operation, dynamic operation, really, you look at that

[2:26:37] on quarters that experience significance fluctuations of traffic.

[2:26:42] So you look at that, like a quarter that is a shopping center on it, or something where

[2:26:46] you've got, you know, a traffic going to the beach.

[2:26:49] So we have dynamic systems, any place that does a shopping center generally on the major quarters

[2:26:55] like going to, you know, if you're in any of the beach communities, because you don't want

[2:26:59] time the traffic signals every time it's summer time or for the Christmas season. So the dynamic

[2:27:04] operation allows that to adjust without having to go out and intervene. So it can be done

[2:27:10] here. You can either be in enhanced traffic signals here or we could go or it could be a full

[2:27:15] dynamic system where you are doing full AI.

[2:27:18] Okay, thank you.

[2:27:24] Yeah, one quick fall off. So this study along with the previous study from here on your

[2:27:28] colleagues. Corporate's both projects being complete and fully occupied at some point as a baseline.

[2:27:34] Is that correct?

[2:27:35] So the study you heard presented tonight before this one includes both projects. This study that when we respond to the comments will include both projects.

[2:27:44] So the initial response before we were on board for the safety complex was we don't know what's going on over there.

[2:27:50] We know it's a safety complex may not generate more traffic than the one percent growth that we use.

[2:27:55] Now we know the actual traffic, the 1% growth is not appropriate.

[2:27:59] When you know there's a specific project, it's right across the street.

[2:28:03] You know, it's traffic is going to generate, you add that traffic's project.

[2:28:06] The 1% growth is supposed to take into account things you don't know about.

[2:28:10] So that was going to be my full question on the growth factor.

[2:28:15] Talk about Accompletion, fully occupied, fully up and running, fully staffed.

[2:28:21] Is it 1% growth per year?

[2:28:24] So the way that we were developing on ADIS, it's compounded annually and so the way that we look at the numbers we started in our case it was the year 2025 was our existing condition because that's when we did the study.

[2:28:37] So then we grow those numbers 1% per year 7 years into the future. So in the case of our study we're looking at the year 2032.

[2:28:44] So we grow 20, 25, 1% per year for seven years, and then we add traffic from any projects

[2:28:51] in the area on top of that one percent growth.

[2:28:55] So it's really 1% growth.

[2:28:56] This was to account for external development, not developing this happening within the study

[2:29:01] area.

[2:29:02] It's supposed to be just to account for it.

[2:29:03] Typically, describe it as, you know, if we look at right now someone that lives with

[2:29:08] you is 12 or 13 and maybe seven years they're going to have the driver's license.

[2:29:12] more than likely, well, to have a car, they're not driving today, but they would be in the future.

[2:29:17] So the 1% growth accounts for that because if you don't approve any more projects, you're still

[2:29:21] going to have an increased automobile people driving. So that's what the 1% growth accounts for

[2:29:26] things like that. But we also need to account for projects. So if we know this project, you've put

[2:29:31] that number in. You know, as of today or the reason. So the final, the final study will be,

[2:29:43] The state sets our horizon at seven years, it used to be five years, so it looks at seven years,

[2:29:49] and the reason it was adjusted and it counts for going through this process, getting approval

[2:29:54] two years the build, and then when we're talking about improvements, it gives it five years of life.

[2:30:00] So, they used to just do five years and they said, nope, two years for permitting construction. And then five years to make sure any improvements last at least five years.

[2:30:09] Thank you.

[2:30:13] The questions on we,

[2:30:19] how about on the computer?

[2:30:22] Probably not good.

[2:30:23] All right, does it probably do you have please go ahead?

[2:30:26] Meg Ray-Rauer, 19-Garzy Street. Can you, how much, what was the total ADT for the whole project?

[2:30:38] So, the new traps will be 3,000, or 140 on a weekday, and that's half on half out.

[2:30:44] So, have you done an analysis under Mayba, if you have any requirements for filing under the state, or permitting there?

[2:30:50] So, right now we don't have any. There's no from a traffic or a traffic or a traffic or a traffic or a traffic, because we're on a local roadway.

[2:30:56] There's no state action. So, that's a state road, isn't it?

[2:31:00] It's a state number route. But it's not a state route.

[2:31:03] But it's not under DOC jurisdiction. So, there's a distinction.

[2:31:06] So as we're looking at you, but you have to have a state action correct.

[2:31:10] Yeah, so the state action, at least from a transportation perspective, it would be a mass

[2:31:14] DOT permit.

[2:31:16] But the other thing is, as I mentioned, is the sort of 3,000, 140, you did adopt a traffic

[2:31:22] from the excuses that are on the site, so that number...

[2:31:24] Really, are there any...

[2:31:26] Well, they're all...

[2:31:27] I mean, there's other excuses that are on the site.

[2:31:29] There's a car wash.

[2:31:30] Just a chair.

[2:31:32] I don't want to step on your car.

[2:31:35] We have questions and director board and then you direct your response to the board.

[2:31:43] So the other question I have I brought this up at the last meeting, the rules do require that the board finds some sort of mitigation efforts with their impacts on neighbors.

[2:31:53] The way the traffic flows, they're flowing most to the closest neighborhoods to the project.

[2:32:00] And so are there other mitigation other than just a signal for those neighborhoods?

[2:32:05] Could we get signs that say local traffic only?

[2:32:08] Some sort of mitigation to help the neighbors.

[2:32:12] So I think that's a discussion that we can have with the board as well.

[2:32:16] Things that might be appropriate to address kind of neighborhood impacts.

[2:32:19] I'm confused by the question now.

[2:32:22] It's one of the sort of signs at the end of each side street that comes in on one or

[2:32:26] to limit the traffic that may have a ways route that takes them down, perhaps.

[2:32:33] This is all the in-out traffic for this particular project, off of 109.

[2:32:39] And then it flows down 109 to the other side street.

[2:32:42] She's suggesting that it only be local traffic,

[2:32:46] allowed to take a right or a left off of 109.

[2:32:53] Is it am I wrong?

[2:32:54] That's what I'm suggesting.

[2:32:58] I'm confused as to how this project would add extra traffic to those local roads.

[2:33:11] I think on my slides is actually really helpful.

[2:33:13] Please finish speaking.

[2:33:15] Nope, I was in the middle of the word.

[2:33:18] So, when you are going in and out of this site, you're all going in off of one-on-one.

[2:33:26] There's no ins and outs as a site going off to local roads, correct?

[2:33:32] So, if it was a commercial space, which it is now, and people were going in and out of there, that's the same thing.

[2:33:41] I don't think this is a public destination, people live there that are local, and they may want to use the roads.

[2:33:47] I mean, the world's a public infrastructure.

[2:33:49] I generally don't agree with the premise that you're signals.

[2:33:52] No, I don't agree with it.

[2:33:53] Well, there's 3,000 new trips that are going to be on 109.

[2:33:56] One of these slides shows that I think it was 45% of them

[2:34:02] start trickling down the side streets as it's close to the project.

[2:34:06] So people don't keep going down 109.

[2:34:08] They go down the side streets.

[2:34:12] I mean, the area is zoned for commercial use.

[2:34:16] So if it's being...

[2:34:19] But it's near an area that's used for commercial use.

[2:34:23] So if it's...

[2:34:24] I think it becomes an enforcement issue anyway.

[2:34:27] You can't just stop a car.

[2:34:30] I'm just asking for some sort of mitigation.

[2:34:33] That's possible.

[2:34:35] I'm trying to work with the project here.

[2:34:42] Dorothy Robinson 25 pawn street.

[2:34:44] I agree with this Clifford that the more light you have,

[2:34:48] the worse the traffic's going to be.

[2:34:50] I would be very happy to have a pedestrian light

[2:34:53] that the pedestrian can operate at the end of the country.

[2:34:56] That would suffice getting across there.

[2:34:58] The crosswalk is useless.

[2:35:02] I've come across and had Cosby bat me

[2:35:04] because somebody's coming up on the right.

[2:35:06] But my question is, and I think Mr. Harris answered it,

[2:35:09] but I just wanted to clarify.

[2:35:11] The report I had said that the related volume increases

[2:35:16] related to 2032 no build. The increase was 18 to 67 vehicles or 2.1% to 5.6% during the peak

[2:35:28] hours. That seems like a big margin. I just would like that explained a little bit.

[2:35:36] So through the chair, so those volume increases that she mentioned is we're looking at specific

[2:35:40] points on the roadway in comparing what is the net increase in traffic. The project represents

[2:35:45] over the no-built condition, as you mentioned. So she mentioned, I think it was 2 to 5% or something.

[2:35:51] 0.1 to 5.6 in like a big margin.

[2:35:54] So what I would say just in terms of putting those numbers in context is that between Monday and Friday,

[2:36:00] if we measured volumes on a Main Street, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

[2:36:06] the volume of traffic on that wordway will fluctuate by 10%. So that's one way to put those

[2:36:11] numbers and context and that, as you drive on the roadway, Monday is going to be a low traffic

[2:36:16] morning day. Fridays are generally very well. Thursday's absolute worst traffic, driving anywhere.

[2:36:24] So as we look at traffic each day, it fluctuates by about 10% if we measure it. So sort of

[2:36:29] put in context that 2 to 5% is within weekly fluctuation traffic points. And then I want to

[2:36:37] know on weekends, we're visited and put into the traffic study coming in and out of the project

[2:36:44] because that would create more traffic to people visiting coming and going from the project.

[2:36:50] So through the chair, it does and as I mentioned, the data that we use is based on actual

[2:36:56] traffic counts out in the apartment community.

[2:36:58] So it measures visitors.

[2:37:01] Charlie.

[2:37:03] Charlie.

[2:37:04] Charlie Myers.

[2:37:04] Thank you for putting that you were going to do the RSA.

[2:37:09] I was looking for that part.

[2:37:10] My focus is going to be on the Hollis Institute intersection in the addition of

[2:37:14] Qing that's associated with it.

[2:37:17] The number of cars you're probably looking at 100 to 150 feet of additional

[2:37:20] Qing on there and an additional high percentage of left hand turn lanes.

[2:37:26] It's not straight anywhere close for Qing as it sits right now.

[2:37:29] Thanks for watching, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video.

[2:37:30] Markings on it, but having driven through that intersection almost every time I come through the center of town for, oh, that to go to anywhere, including Shaw's, my comment would be during the school morning hours, in particular, that traffic backs up past the golf course, the driving range on it. And that's not necessarily captured. I don't believe in all of the numbers here. And so it's something that desperately needs to be looked at in terms of the volume of traffic that that interests me.

[2:38:00] section is going to see in addition.

[2:38:02] Now we talk about the, somebody brought up the additional side roads on it.

[2:38:06] I'm going to add an intersection on it that's going to pick up on traffic.

[2:38:10] Coffee and Hollister Street and Lovering right there.

[2:38:13] That stop area, we've talked about stop signs, four ways we've talked about lights.

[2:38:19] We've talked about blinking lights over the years.

[2:38:21] All sorts of things at that intersection.

[2:38:23] If we're going to add another 50 to 70 cars,

[2:38:25] going through that intersection of those that turn left, coming from this project, that's going

[2:38:33] to overload.

[2:38:33] It's going to have an impact on that intersection from a safety and traffic.

[2:38:37] Hall of the street is already at 5% in the state for the highest traffic accidents at 109.

[2:38:46] We're going up in the percentile from 0 up to 8 to 0.81 for risk factors and other things

[2:38:54] that intersection so it's going to be a major major overall and I think you really need

[2:38:58] to spend some extra time looking at that to see what the solutions are or what the

[2:39:05] problems are and then I think you need to clip the follow on intersection because that's

[2:39:09] the Montgomery school pick up and drop off that's a crossing guard there and then it's

[2:39:14] the additional traffic in the rush hour on it. So those will be my additional comments.

[2:39:21] Anybody else?

[2:39:23] Bill Jean Garrett, 24, Green Valley.

[2:39:28] I'll do the same kind of form I did before.

[2:39:32] Did you take into account the residents walking across one or nine to the plaza?

[2:39:37] Because they're going to have to get across a very busy street.

[2:39:40] He talked about the beacons.

[2:39:42] Excuse me?

[2:39:42] He talked about the beacons, signaling.

[2:39:46] There will be people walking.

[2:39:48] Yeah.

[2:39:48] They push a button, not the lights flash.

[2:39:51] But in a traffic study, that stops traffic both ways.

[2:39:56] That's important, because that's going to, that's going to be a key one in the

[2:39:59] car.

[2:39:59] Yes, with the simple idea.

[2:40:01] And also, they're proposed 267 apartments, most units will likely be dual income

[2:40:07] no kids, which probably means both people will be working.

[2:40:12] I'm surprised you limited it to about 250 cars.

[2:40:14] I would expect it to be more like 500 cars going to work 500 cars coming back.

[2:40:21] It seems like two of these 50s wait to low.

[2:40:24] Can I address that real quick?

[2:40:25] If we look at the apartments that were proposed, many of those apartments are actually one

[2:40:32] bedroom apartments.

[2:40:34] Yeah.

[2:40:35] People.

[2:40:35] There are two people.

[2:40:37] And they're probably no kids.

[2:40:39] Probably both kids.

[2:40:39] Okay.

[2:40:40] I thought you said with kids.

[2:40:41] I don't know.

[2:40:42] Without kids.

[2:40:43] with kids, maybe one person will stay home, but with no kids, most couples that have no kids,

[2:40:51] they both work. So you're going to get a lot more traffic. See that in your study.

[2:40:57] I don't know what you've made on the points, kids. So that will both, I have to start

[2:40:59] getting used to it through the chair. So the easiest way to explain it is that not everybody

[2:41:05] leaves at the same time to go to work. And so the numbers we were talking about during those

[2:41:11] It's only a portion of the residents that are leaving between 715 and 815, some are leaving before 715, some are leaving after 815.

[2:41:20] So there's more traffic that happens over the course of the day.

[2:41:23] When we're talking about the numbers I was mentioning, that's during that one hour of the day 715-815 in the morning.

[2:41:30] Is that example?

[2:41:34] I don't have a question, but I did want to acknowledge that these questions about the traffic

[2:41:40] studies are really really good and so any of the folks that left probably due to the time

[2:41:47] of night, we appreciate you coming and if you're watching on the replay and you have some questions,

[2:41:53] please feel free to email them right to the department, okay?

[2:41:58] Okay.

[2:42:00] Go ahead.

[2:42:01] Appreciate it.

[2:42:02] Stephanie Morton, former mayoral street.

[2:42:04] I'd like to just second what the gentleman from Curtis Street said as part of the

[2:42:09] resident of the Brentwood neighborhood.

[2:42:11] I would be greatly appreciative of consideration for that cut through.

[2:42:15] That's happening in the neighborhood along Lovering Street that cuts through where

[2:42:19] coffee is.

[2:42:21] The back up that occurs before Holiston Street, particularly as mentioned before by the board member

[2:42:27] here, Mrs. Reposa, that happens around Shaw's is significant, and I'm certain that the

[2:42:33] consideration of what's happening from a ways standpoint and people cycling through

[2:42:38] that particular neighborhood that is significantly inhibited by young families, which

[2:42:44] children would be an important consideration for this entire community as well as the board

[2:42:49] as well as the folks who are considering this development.

[2:42:52] I thank you for the opportunity to share that.

[2:42:54] Thank you.

[2:42:57] Anybody else?

[2:43:03] Kevin Cronin, metal road, which is off pond.

[2:43:07] People that live off a pond, they don't use pond street to go to one of nine.

[2:43:11] I don't know if that's used in the study to where those people actually go to get out of the

[2:43:17] neighborhoods.

[2:43:18] They go down to levering the Hollister to Main Street mostly.

[2:43:23] They don't use pond because it's too dangerous and maybe that should be studied.

[2:43:32] Anybody else?

[2:43:36] I guess one thing I want to say is that dynamic aspect of managing this traffic seems like it would be a significant cure to a lot of the problems that we heard here.

[2:43:51] In that the more traffic we can move on 109 faster, the more likely we are to minimize any traffic that hits the side streets,

[2:44:00] prevent people from feeling like 109's a clogged artery, and seeking alternative routes.

[2:44:11] I agree more direct if you can just move through there, and during those times when the traffic is steepest,

[2:44:18] perhaps there's a collaboration that could occur between the developer and the community to make your project more palatable

[2:44:27] and really

[2:44:32] alleviate some of the pain that the community feels as it relates to more growth

[2:44:39] and development that occurs in time.

[2:44:42] I hope between the consultant and the other guy on the Yadakube, you guys can resolve some

[2:44:53] of these issues and make some really good recommendations to the town.

[2:44:57] It'll be cohesive, we'll make sure that it's a bit mad.

[2:45:00] Let's just up together. Anybody else have anything to add?

[2:45:06] I don't want anything about traffic. But I do want to bring up something that I mentioned

[2:45:13] at the last meeting that I wanted to see if I could get a little bit of consensus with

[2:45:19] the Board members on. And that was about the possibility of fiscal impact analysis.

[2:45:25] And my hypothesis was that it was going to show that this development would be positive

[2:45:34] to the town, also looping in the development agreement with administration acknowledging

[2:45:43] the payments over time for particular impacts,

[2:45:51] not to tie it to necessarily any decision on the

[2:45:58] project, but to the forthcoming discussion about the waivers for affordable units.

[2:46:08] That's where I think that I might have.

[2:46:11] So in other words, if there's a better or greater economic benefit to the town, you would be more inclined.

[2:46:17] Well, I would be grant away, I would be more information that feeds into why the planning board ought to grant or deny the waiver for the affordable units.

[2:46:31] Okay.

[2:46:35] Just tapping away, so I'm guessing he's hearing.

[2:46:38] How many, sorry, can you remind me of how many affordable units do they have now?

[2:46:45] I might not get off the topic.

[2:46:47] And by affordable, we're saying around what rent per month.

[2:46:55] What the affordable rent would be?

[2:47:00] I mean, that's determined based upon the number of bedrooms, I don't know that we've done

[2:47:07] in a calculation, but we can certainly present that.

[2:47:09] I mean, it just be good to note,

[2:47:11] because it is relative to what your other apartments

[2:47:15] are being rented as, right?

[2:47:17] So, by affordable, it means less expensive than those units,

[2:47:21] but if you have a luxury complex,

[2:47:25] there's a different definition of affordable for everybody.

[2:47:28] Do you have anything to say about that?

[2:47:29] Right.

[2:47:30] The median inc.

[2:47:31] Barbara, what's the formula?

[2:47:34] So each year, housing and urban development, the federal government comes out with their

[2:47:41] AMI.

[2:47:43] This is very immediate income and then you take 80% of that and that is that becomes the maximum

[2:47:54] amount that a person can make in order to rent that affordable unit, then you have to calculate

[2:48:01] based on that, how much can they afford to pay in rent, which is 30%, and then you have

[2:48:06] the back-out utility allowances. We just go through this every year with half-on apartments.

[2:48:13] So there's a whole formula.

[2:48:15] And they basically hire a consultant that's specialized.

[2:48:18] Right, they'll have to hire a consultant in my case. I mean, I don't, they can tell you

[2:48:23] what that would be today. They can't tell you what that's going to be two years from now.

[2:48:28] But that could at least give you an idea of, you know, what we're talking about, yeah.

[2:48:32] I mean, what are you trying to do?

[2:48:33] I think it would be helpful because I'd like to know, like, how many of these units are truly

[2:48:40] rentable by people in this area, in people that work and live in this area.

[2:48:46] Are you asking for the affordable or the market where you need it?

[2:48:49] The affordable?

[2:48:50] I mean, before we grant a waiver on affordable units, because we're saying you can have less.

[2:49:02] to get a number of data on time and subdivision methods.

[2:49:11] Of like.

[2:49:14] Of all of Metro Boston.

[2:49:22] Okay.

[2:49:23] So maybe that feeds into how we prep for when we get to that discussion?

[2:49:30] I think so.

[2:49:30] And I think it would be helpful for, you know, just knowing because these aren't, I don't know that that's one of the criteria for granting a waiver.

[2:49:43] Because we're, we're looking at having less units.

[2:49:46] Are reduction on the affordable units?

[2:49:47] Reduction of the units.

[2:49:48] What the cost is is not germine.

[2:49:53] We're happy if it helps, we're happy to provide that information.

[2:49:57] And I will say that maybe it's relevant to the extent of I can tell you that a lot of these

[2:50:11] developments, the affordable units, go on rented for a long time because of the bureaucratic

[2:50:17] hurdles that you have to go through just to get those units rented a lot in the cost.

[2:50:24] in the corner of the person of the renter.

[2:50:26] The cost to the developer isn't...

[2:50:32] It's not significantly...

[2:50:33] Or even primarily the Delta in the renter.

[2:50:37] It's the cost of administering the lottery dealing with HLC,

[2:50:45] the monitoring agent, months or years, sometimes

[2:50:49] of these units going on renter.

[2:50:52] And, you know, some social inefficient system.

[2:50:59] It is, and it's, it's obviously it's a significant cost

[2:51:03] into your point that development agreement

[2:51:05] we sort of try to build in some of that benefit to the community

[2:51:12] that is maybe a little less precisely targeted at Medway

[2:51:20] When you just do it through the inclusionary drawing units.

[2:51:27] Okay.

[2:51:29] Of course.

[2:51:31] Go ahead.

[2:51:32] I just want to say something there.

[2:51:34] Can you just say a name?

[2:51:37] Sorry.

[2:51:38] Being video.

[2:51:39] I was at the Design Review Committee.

[2:51:41] And I just want you people to know that these gentlemen work really hard to assess

[2:51:47] And to look at what the community wanted.

[2:51:51] And I think tonight, the questions that were asked,

[2:51:53] I think they're willing to do the same for the traffic

[2:51:55] and everything.

[2:51:56] I really would like to thank them in public for it,

[2:51:59] because they're really working hard to coordinate with the town.

[2:52:03] Thank you.

[2:52:04] Thank you.

[2:52:05] As I develop a lawyer, I don't hear that a lot.

[2:52:07] So I think it's a wonderful segue

[2:52:10] if the board does want to get it over.

[2:52:12] Oh, my God.

[2:52:14] Yeah.

[2:52:14] Patrick Hope, 10 Man Street.

[2:52:18] Jeanine, I just wanted to add something to what you had just said, and that I don't know if people who live in Medway can currently afford to live in Medway.

[2:52:30] I've been doing a bunch of research when this came out and looking up the average housing

[2:52:34] prices versus sort of the average rent prices in Medway. And I'm seeing that the average

[2:52:44] house comes in right around $750,000, which gives a value of, if you look at that 30%, you

[2:52:54] have to be making about $240,000 to purchase your average house in Medway.

[2:53:02] Right now, the cheapest house that is a very traffic question?

[2:53:07] No, this was in relation to our housing cost.

[2:53:11] Okay, well, when we get to that waiver, we can have a lot of trouble.

[2:53:14] We're not going to read that right now, so, but I appreciate you.

[2:53:18] I just, are we speaking out?

[2:53:19] We have, and we're approaching Tana Clock, and they still only have way done.

[2:53:30] Different meeting?

[2:53:32] What they're taught, what he's, well, the question that was asked was about affordable housing

[2:53:39] and the cost because of a waiver.

[2:53:42] The waiver isn't going to be discussed for a long time.

[2:53:46] We got to get much closer and further down the road.

[2:53:48] The waiver was on a particular ask that they had because the planning board has the ability

[2:53:57] to waive certain things in a development of this type.

[2:54:04] We're not talking about it tonight, even though we have been.

[2:54:07] It's not on the agenda,

[2:54:11] and these guys have another portion, which is the design review committee

[2:54:17] effort that has gone into making changes to what it looks like on Main Street.

[2:54:22] So that's what we're going to try to get to.

[2:54:24] And I know sometimes it seems like aggressive to shut down discussion, but I have to control the meeting,

[2:54:32] stuff that it moves on time and respect people's time.

[2:54:36] So thank you.

[2:54:38] Sorry, bud.

[2:54:41] Good.

[2:54:43] Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[2:54:43] So that really was a great segue.

[2:54:47] The other item we really wanted to just at least give the board an overview.

[2:54:52] We haven't submitted a full redesign, you know, our architectural set, but Axel's been

[2:55:00] working really hard and I think, you know, got some good feedback at DRB, so we thought

[2:55:06] it would be good to just share the new designs with the board so you can see the direction

[2:55:12] to go peek into the hood.

[2:55:14] You got it.

[2:55:16] Yeah.

[2:55:16] All right, so yeah, that is a good segue.

[2:55:19] I will do my best to just kind of be brief

[2:55:21] and give us a high level overview.

[2:55:24] To summarize, as concisely, as I can,

[2:55:28] given the extent of comments and the genuine philosophical alignment

[2:55:35] that we had with delivering the best project we came

[2:55:37] with the town, we essentially redesigned the entire project.

[2:55:40] Now, the performance, the programmatic nature of the site, those are things that kind of are

[2:55:47] the way that they need to be for the site to work.

[2:55:50] So the comments that we addressed and strove to make clear our commitment to bettering

[2:55:56] the community with were primarily the architectural nature, the character of it, the presence

[2:56:02] of the architecture on the street, the public place making how the filtration through the site

[2:56:07] is complemented by that architecture,

[2:56:09] and how this architecture will also establish a direct dialogue

[2:56:12] with the project across the street, the municipal complex.

[2:56:16] So I'll just run through some of the high level overviews,

[2:56:19] but I can just summarize the DRC's comments last week

[2:56:22] as just very favorable overall.

[2:56:24] They did request that we come back in September

[2:56:26] with new materials to just kind of get into the details

[2:56:31] of some of the renderings that I'll show you here tonight.

[2:56:33] But overall, it was a very positive discussion last week.

[2:56:38] So I'll just recap for you what the overall idea was here.

[2:56:43] So this is the presentation that I gave to them last week.

[2:56:46] And so the first, we just kind of ran through the previous design,

[2:56:49] which we all know was universally not the direction the town wanted to go,

[2:56:53] which we took the heart and considered very seriously as we went back to the drawing boards.

[2:56:58] So I'll just flip through these.

[2:57:00] I don't need to spend too much time going through these.

[2:57:02] we all know what it looked like and what we didn't like.

[2:57:06] So to summarize, there were a vast quantity of comments

[2:57:13] that we heard not only in this meeting, but in the first

[2:57:17] DRC meeting as well.

[2:57:19] And so last week, being our second DRC meeting,

[2:57:22] we really wanted to make sure that we communicated what we heard.

[2:57:25] The impact of those comments on the design.

[2:57:27] And so that's all summarized here.

[2:57:29] I will just kind of narrate through the main ones.

[2:57:34] Everybody felt that the Main Street elevation of the multi-family building was just too long and felt too flat and unbroken.

[2:57:41] Overall, the roof lines also felt that they were too flat without enough variation in forms, slopes, setbacks, textures, heights.

[2:57:50] Overall, the architecture wanted the DRC wanted to see more horizontal emphasis of the architecture,

[2:57:57] So that's emphasizing the base, the middle levels, and what we call the cap.

[2:58:02] We also wanted to reevaluate the architectural materials palette to infuse more of the

[2:58:07] local vernacular of masonry, shingles, shakes.

[2:58:10] Collaborates were already a very primary part of the material palette before, but what we've

[2:58:14] done is added additional colors and textures to that clabber design, as well as different

[2:58:19] to weather exposures.

[2:58:20] So that's the width that you see exposed to view of the clabbered themselves.

[2:58:27] All of this is along the theme of injecting more of that New England village theme into the project.

[2:58:37] There was also a number of comments we received about the fourth floor and how the perception of that fourth floor is experienced from the street and from the public.

[2:58:48] The zoning allows the fourth floor, and so it's still zoning compliant, but there were a lot of comments about

[2:58:54] softening the urban edge created by the previous design on Main Street.

[2:58:58] So that was something we took to heart and looked at very seriously.

[2:59:02] There was also a comment about the idea of the projecting balconies creating a spot for resident belongings to potentially accumulate and create an undesirable aesthetic.

[2:59:13] So you'll see significant revisions to the balconies.

[2:59:18] There was also a request for a lot of emphasis

[2:59:20] of walkability on Main Street.

[2:59:21] So that's been, you know, the story

[2:59:24] has been illustrated much, much more here.

[2:59:28] And then everybody got a rise out of the tree trunk

[2:59:31] and canopies at the gas, at the gas feeling pump.

[2:59:34] So those have been removed.

[2:59:36] And the prototype, the brand of that story

[2:59:38] has been more aligned with the New England vernacular.

[2:59:42] So, that's what we'll see.

[2:59:45] These were kind of the primary areas of concern, just what the previous model looked like.

[2:59:49] We wanted to zoom in on the vignettes and just kind of highlight what the areas were that

[2:59:54] we're not generally supported by the comments, so roof lines, flatness, walkability.

[3:00:00] The long main street balconies, materials.

[3:00:04] So these were some good precedents that we both took from the

[3:00:08] zoning, sorry, from the design guidelines, but also from similar scale projects around the area and

[3:00:14] one thing we wanted to make clear was that a lot of medway itself is comprised of single and

[3:00:20] two-story, New England Village projects. These are, this is a different type of archetype, which

[3:00:27] doesn't really exist yet in midway, but there are many examples of being done successfully

[3:00:32] around the surrounding area.

[3:00:35] So this was overall where we landed with the new approach.

[3:00:39] It is a much more New England-inspired theme.

[3:00:43] The fourth floor has been completely redesigned to incorporate man's art groups, cable

[3:00:47] reform, stormers for the windows.

[3:00:49] We've completely re-avaluated the window proportions, the window types, ground floor

[3:00:54] Storefronts have been added to give the appeal of that commercial space that people wanted

[3:01:00] to see more of a long main street and so we'll just go through some case and point comparisons

[3:01:06] of what the before views look like and then from the same view.

[3:01:11] So this is from Main Street looking southeast towards Pond Street and then here is that

[3:01:16] same view rendered with the new design.

[3:01:20] So, and I'll get into some of the specifics of the changes, but I just wanted to kind of prep

[3:01:25] Prime everybody's palate with the overall themes and changes made to the overall architecture.

[3:01:31] So, this is of the corner entry feature, immediately across the street from the new fire station of municipal complex

[3:01:36] And here is that same corner rendered with the new architectural theme.

[3:01:44] Okay, and so to zoom out give us a few more examples, so this is from the building southeast corner

[3:01:49] in, within the site looking out towards Main Street.

[3:01:52] Again, you can see the previous flatness that people commented on.

[3:01:56] Even though there were ongulations in the buildings,

[3:01:59] still the simplistic nature of the materials palette,

[3:02:02] and the more commercial nature of windows

[3:02:03] made it feel too flat.

[3:02:05] So here it is rendered with the new approach.

[3:02:09] And we'll go through the same views.

[3:02:11] So this is Southwest Corner, looking north towards the commercial

[3:02:14] Plaza across the street and same corner right there.

[3:02:19] So, these are where we can get into some of the details.

[3:02:22] So, one of the comments, several of the comments talked about the walkability in the perception of the architecture from the street and the urban edge created by the building mass.

[3:02:32] So, this is looking at the main entry into the common area of the previous design.

[3:02:36] And so, you can see some of these projecting balconies here.

[3:02:39] We had some projecting forms to add undulation to the facade.

[3:02:42] But overall, it was just felt too modern.

[3:02:45] And so here we see the revised street approach.

[3:02:50] So some of the additions or the changes made here

[3:02:52] were the addition or incorporation

[3:02:55] of more commercial ground floor appropriate storefront systems

[3:02:59] at the common areas and amenities to really create

[3:03:01] that view through the building to the atmosphere inside

[3:03:07] and increase the idea of porosity.

[3:03:10] You can also see from here just how different the roof lines

[3:03:13] are now experienced from the ground, and looking at this image, we'll focus in on that for a

[3:03:19] little bit.

[3:03:19] So this is a little bit of an elevated view taken from about the same spot on the ground

[3:03:23] plane.

[3:03:24] So again, you can see here there was the flat parapet wall with some bump ups at feature

[3:03:29] areas, and now here's that same area.

[3:03:32] So what has been done is those projecting balconies have all been turned into Juliet balconies.

[3:03:37] We've incorporated a true Mansard roof, so that helps soften the appearance of the fourth floor

[3:03:43] from the ground level. We've also injected the cornus line here, which also serves as the

[3:03:47] gutter access, and so that collects all of the roof discharge into downspots, which we're

[3:03:52] trying to coordinate with undulations in the building plan. You can see that we've now also

[3:03:58] incorporated the shingles to the cladding in the architectural language of the roof, which you

[3:04:03] now see from the ground before you didn't see the roof, because it was all flat roof profile with

[3:04:07] middle roof edge, and to add variation to the material palette of Main Street.

[3:04:12] We've also, at certain feature areas, proposed the use of standing scene, that will

[3:04:17] which intersects nicely and contrasts the shinglestatic.

[3:04:24] And so now here, just looking at the retail buildings, so this was before looking at the

[3:04:29] commercial retail building, and again, it was kind of more nationalistic in its

[3:04:34] A labor generic intended to appeal to a broad range of brands, and so now here is that same concept rendered with the more New England village style.

[3:04:43] This was the restaurant and same themes applied here, and keep just going through here.

[3:04:55] Here is the old country store experience from Main Street looking east, and so here we can see those canopy tree trunks which generated a lot of lively discussion.

[3:05:06] And so here is that concept re-aligned with the overall unifying architectural theme of the development.

[3:05:15] And here is that same building rendered from Main Street now looking towards the west.

[3:05:20] And so one other thing we added in a comment we wanted to take to heart was how this building engaged with Main Street and the idea of creating a place making element here.

[3:05:29] So, the operator has agreed to incorporate a ice cream pick-up window, some sort of village gathering area there, and we've also discussed with the DRC.

[3:05:39] The idea of utilizing this plaza for a display for the operators locally grown produce, so something like a farmer's market, a local farmer's market, things like that.

[3:05:49] Are we square feet of those etiquette?

[3:05:51] This is $5,554 for the farmers market area.

[3:05:58] I forget the number off the top of my head.

[3:06:01] The card in the front?

[3:06:04] Yes, I'm getting there.

[3:06:08] The, what's that?

[3:06:10] Yeah, so here's the site plan of that area.

[3:06:13] It doesn't render that yet, but we have plenty of space to work with.

[3:06:17] you'll see a couple of the renderings. We, in one scheme we pose, you know, a landscape

[3:06:22] area with an enclosure and several picnic tables here just to kind of be conducive to

[3:06:26] the use of the ice cream function. In another, there's also enough space here to work with. And

[3:06:32] we also have flexibility with where the building is located on site. So there's plenty of space

[3:06:36] to work with here to get a vendor or key asking there.

[3:06:43] So this is an overall area of the previous

[3:06:46] design composition looking west from Main Street, and here's that same view now rendered

[3:06:52] with the New England aesthetic.

[3:06:53] So you can see that the unifying link which has been applied with a broad stroke across

[3:06:57] the entirety of the development.

[3:07:00] And now here is from the west end of Main Street looking east.

[3:07:05] So again, here's that corner feature right across the street from the future municipal complex.

[3:07:09] And now here's that same view with the new architectural language applied phase.

[3:07:20] This is just one overall elevation, again, based on the previous conversation with DRSC,

[3:07:26] you know, we believe that we're at the point where we can prove it.

[3:07:30] All the rest of the technical elevations, but what we wanted to showcase here was just the maintenance of compliance with the zoning.

[3:07:38] So with the previous design, we had the average roof set at 42 foot 9 above the highest first floor level, which important to note is where that is relative to what we are calling the average grade plane around the building.

[3:07:52] Which is fine that got her so people don't think it's a 292 foot tall building sure

[3:07:57] So so the first numbers you see here are above sea level heights. That's what we use in the spot grades and

[3:08:03] the survey and then the numbers in parentheses you see here you see here are the elevations that we are using

[3:08:10] specific to this project relative to a benchmark

[3:08:13] So the benchmark that we're using for the project which we'll call zero zero is the highest level of the first floor

[3:08:20] and it's important to note that this site does increase in the height close to 25 feet over the

[3:08:25] length of it. So the building does step as you work along Main Street. So we have typically

[3:08:32] 10 foot, three floor to floor heights. And the average roof plane is a function derived from the

[3:08:37] average grade around the building. And so that average grade is calculated by the heights of this

[3:08:43] of the grade around the footprint of the building taken to a dimension six feet away from the

[3:08:46] We go up to the average roof plane and that is determined as the average height of the highest roof surface.

[3:08:54] So what we wanted to showcase here is that by changing the architecture, we actually

[3:08:59] help lower some of the average heights of the roofs being calculated in certain areas.

[3:09:05] But we still achieve the same.

[3:09:07] We're still well within the height limitation and we're able to achieve a much different

[3:09:14] architectural vibe, which hopefully, well, according to the DRC's conversation last week,

[3:09:18] did respond to a number of the comments,

[3:09:23] and I'll just kind of breeze through these retail

[3:09:25] elevations, get to the pretty picture.

[3:09:28] So here we see the corner feature across from the municipal complex rendered, and so what we

[3:09:35] wanted to showcase here was just the walkability created by the light scape, the planting

[3:09:41] gave a long main street in how this kind of height and storefront, which is a design guideline

[3:09:46] criteria, helps the appeal of the overall project from the street.

[3:09:51] And here's that same view rendered from a nighttime perspective.

[3:09:56] This is a view looking at the retail building.

[3:10:01] And here is the restaurant building, and on the site plan, we do have a patio area set

[3:10:05] aside here, which will develop further once we've gotten past this meeting.

[3:10:10] And here's the section which Jonathan was eager to see again.

[3:10:15] So this is definitely one possibility

[3:10:17] for how we can utilize the site and the sidewalk in that area.

[3:10:25] And so we wanted to call out a few areas of the,

[3:10:28] you know, one of the comments several of the comments

[3:10:30] just asked about how we were using this project

[3:10:32] to positively contribute some impact to the community.

[3:10:37] So not only does the country store also

[3:10:39] serves a natural gathering point for a lot of the,

[3:10:41] kind of younger demographic in the area, which we heard through a number of comments, but we definitely

[3:10:46] see this as an area to create place making. This same amenity also exists behind this building,

[3:10:53] so we have two areas at this specific site to utilize to our advantage. There is also a pocket park

[3:10:58] which we've incorporated along Main Street. We stepped the building back. This is the multi-family

[3:11:05] building that we see right here. And there is a retaining wall which has always been part of the

[3:11:10] object since Main Street rises, again, close 24 feet over the length of the run.

[3:11:15] But this is a courtyard which we are intending to be utilized by public, you're just seeing

[3:11:20] some initial concept renderings of what the vibe is there, but this is definitely part

[3:11:24] of the porosity we're hoping to create through the site via pathways.

[3:11:30] So here's the overall site, again, rendered from the air, and just to recap, I think it's

[3:11:36] pretty clear.

[3:11:37] The architectural revision here has been significant.

[3:11:39] We really went back to the drawing board

[3:11:41] to make it clear that we were responding

[3:11:42] to the comments and that we heard the desires of the community.

[3:11:47] And again, the reaction last week was very positive.

[3:11:51] So we just felt like we would want to give you

[3:11:54] this summary.

[3:11:56] And Mr. Chair, I believe you were the one who requested

[3:11:58] that we add the telephone light poles into the renderings.

[3:12:02] So this is looking at what this architectural vibe would look

[3:12:05] with the overhead power lines intact.

[3:12:07] Thank you.

[3:12:09] We talked with the fire department about access.

[3:12:13] That is something we're actively putting on to our critical

[3:12:17] path list of coordination.

[3:12:20] Amazing.

[3:12:22] How are they going to get to those windows with fire apparatus?

[3:12:26] Yep. All that will be part of the conversation.

[3:12:31] There will be a plan.

[3:12:33] Thank you for considering.

[3:12:34] And thank you for listening to the community.

[3:12:37] And you're very welcome.

[3:12:38] It was our pleasure to all I feel about it.

[3:12:41] So, how are you feel, God?

[3:12:44] I didn't see the design review committee meeting.

[3:12:49] I just saw the renderings in our new packet for this meeting.

[3:12:54] And I thought this is a substantial change.

[3:12:57] So I appreciate you walking us through it in the attention

[3:13:02] to detail, you know, certainly it's still a massive building, but the architectural features

[3:13:10] that you're incorporating does help with the visual buffering and I think having the benefit

[3:13:17] of the rendering for across the street, it's telling a better story.

[3:13:24] Yeah, definitely.

[3:13:25] I mean, we wanted to really make sure we were looking at the human scale and the rhythm

[3:13:29] of the facade, and the overall intent behind the composition of this building now is to look

[3:13:34] like a collection of buildings that have been constructed over time, the way many downtown

[3:13:39] New England villages feel. You see the rowhouses, you see all the three to four story masses

[3:13:46] kind of juxtaposed tightly together. So staying within the means of the economy and the way we

[3:13:52] have to construct it, we definitely wanted to make sure we were looking at the parts in the kit

[3:13:57] and utilizing those to our advantage to bring the scale is down to the human level as much as we could.

[3:14:04] I'm interested in the Virginians.

[3:14:06] I really appreciate the changes that were made.

[3:14:09] I know that there's not much you can do about the massing of a large scale residential building.

[3:14:15] There are just, but I think that I agree, it looks like different building.

[3:14:21] Breaking it up to look like different buildings that are close together was definitely the right way to go.

[3:14:27] I really appreciate the changes to the roof lines,

[3:14:30] and all the other buildings,

[3:14:31] I think it's starting to have that aesthetic

[3:14:34] that really speaks to being like a modern farming town,

[3:14:38] community, and I think that it's, you know,

[3:14:43] hopefully appreciated by the public,

[3:14:46] and I do appreciate all the extra detail

[3:14:49] of focusing in on these areas

[3:14:51] where the public are touching it at a human level.

[3:14:54] The farmers market,

[3:14:56] probably something that you can work out much more in deed.

[3:15:00] But focusing on it now, I think is important for this particular project because we want to see how we're going to feel next to it.

[3:15:10] And even though that feels a little granular for where you guys are in entitlements, it's important. So I really commend you focusing on those details.

[3:15:20] I had one question about the residential component, the programming for that on the interior,

[3:15:29] first floor space, are you incorporating any sort of public engagement opportunity in that space?

[3:15:37] Are you going to put any sort of retail or public gathering space in there?

[3:15:42] I think that that might be one thing that I think people are still asking for

[3:15:46] because I completely understand the ROI and maintaining a space like that, but I think what

[3:15:57] people have a hard time with these large scale residential buildings is engaging with

[3:16:03] our neighbors that live in them. And I think that that moment is kind of important on a big

[3:16:09] commercial corridor like this. And the desire for like feeling like we have a place to meet

[3:16:16] there has still been expressed, you know, whether it's a coffee shop or maybe it's like

[3:16:25] a muffin house.

[3:16:26] Like, well, if you go to the muffin house, there's a little impromptu meetings conducted

[3:16:32] at the very busy muffin house, but, I mean, amongst many people, like different groups

[3:16:38] all meet there, and I do notice that like a lot of people just to get out of their house

[3:16:44] sometimes go there and just like do, you know,

[3:16:46] or on their Wi-Fi trying to like do like work from home there,

[3:16:50] like I'm wondering if there's an opportunity here

[3:16:54] that then also allows people to engage with the people

[3:16:57] that are living in this building.

[3:16:59] And then we feel like they're still infiltrated

[3:17:02] in our community, less like an island of residential units,

[3:17:09] that we don't know anything about these people,

[3:17:11] so we just make assumptions, you know?

[3:17:12] So I think that along this quarter, there's still a desire for that.

[3:17:16] So I'm wondering if that's something that you've got to have considered.

[3:17:21] So Ty and Axel might want to jump in.

[3:17:25] The difficulty with adding in commercial space in a residential building

[3:17:31] is that it completely changes the code requirements.

[3:17:35] It's not as simple as just taking part of the first floor

[3:17:41] and putting a coffee shop in there.

[3:17:43] I think you've seen a real attempt

[3:17:46] to sort of make the commercial element

[3:17:51] of this development more unified with making it,

[3:17:57] feel like a unified development,

[3:18:00] putting that courtyard park, pocket park in,

[3:18:04] that retaining walls there,

[3:18:05] but what you didn't see is that it's,

[3:18:08] you're on the same grade as you walk along the path,

[3:18:11] the pedestrian pathways to the commercial part, so it's not like it's hidden from you, but I don't

[3:18:20] think that challenge you to look at it a little bit and I totally get what you're saying from a

[3:18:26] code standpoint but there are like if it's something very small that can make a big impact like a

[3:18:33] coffee window or coffee shop or whatever that you're just popping in and saying hi to somebody

[3:18:38] meeting them in the lobby, grabbing a coffee or whatever. There are, like, ways to do that,

[3:18:47] not to, you know, overstop, but I work at hospitality. So we do a lot of commercial mixed use

[3:18:54] just in general, because you've got assembly spaces, and you can have an accessory space that is

[3:19:01] So, you know, a certain square footage that doesn't have to have, like, a complete fire wall around it.

[3:19:08] So, there are ways to incorporate that, just like we do lobbies with the little coffee shop, like a Starbucks and a hotel lobby,

[3:19:15] and then everything, all the rooms are residential.

[3:19:18] So, this is the same kind of use group.

[3:19:21] So, I would, you know, maybe look into it a little bit and see, because it could be something really, really small,

[3:19:27] that makes a very big impact to just.

[3:19:30] We'll re-evaluate internally, another large challenge with it is the liability, the second you open up to public.

[3:19:39] So now that there's a much larger liability component with the entire interior of the structure, when it becomes a public structure.

[3:19:48] So that's challenging.

[3:19:50] I know that Axel worked really hard on the exterior to try to, even though it's not

[3:19:54] retail, appreciate the components of the exterior building to make it look that way.

[3:20:01] We tried to really incorporate the country store with that window, and we'll let that action

[3:20:07] transition to actual mobility throughout the site with using that window to try to incorporate

[3:20:13] that feel that we're kind of looking for, but I'll definitely take it and

[3:20:18] I think the public would appreciate it just because it's still an ask that's been floated out there.

[3:20:25] And while we're talking site, Matt Merva with Boller, we just wanted to share this slide at the end here,

[3:20:33] and probably would have been a good one to start with.

[3:20:35] But it shows our property in context with the new proposed municipal complex,

[3:20:42] which I think was an ask.

[3:20:43] But if not of this board of the DRB to see how the pieces start to fit together and to start to look at some of the connectivity, both a long main street, but the porosity through our site, and then the establishment of kind of these little moments a long main street that relate to our site.

[3:21:04] We highlighted a couple of them early on.

[3:21:07] We talked about adding another one outside here

[3:21:10] at the DRB meeting that would be a little seating area

[3:21:14] for the public up at the street level.

[3:21:18] Not down, this one's down a little lower down

[3:21:20] at this parking lot level.

[3:21:22] So providing one here makes it more part of the building,

[3:21:26] part of the streetscape, but very much public

[3:21:28] and very much inviting people to stop and sit

[3:21:32] meet with their neighbors. But now we've got a few stops along the way here so that it breaks

[3:21:39] up the longer facade. What's that dotted blue line? Is that a trail? This is a potential

[3:21:45] future proposed trail connecting. I think the road ahead through that you should like show them a

[3:21:54] little bit more about that because I think that's still trying to figure that all out. We've got

[3:21:59] work with conservation commission on that.

[3:22:02] There's a couple of wetland crossings

[3:22:03] that we need to do to get through here.

[3:22:07] So it's dashed because we can't promise it yet.

[3:22:11] But it is something we'd like to try to explore

[3:22:13] and have this connection through four

[3:22:17] for the surrounding neighborhood.

[3:22:20] If we go to this office, a leadership, I think,

[3:22:23] within the Kelly Street community

[3:22:24] to possibly reach out to to talk with, sure.

[3:22:28] Well, absolutely sure there are

[3:22:30] On board. So any, I just wanted to put some of that in context and your comments or heard, and we certainly want to try to make this as interesting along the street as we can. So we're working to do that for sure.

[3:22:45] Okay.

[3:22:49] Anybody else?

[3:22:50] I'm going to have a comment.

[3:22:51] Yeah.

[3:22:51] Just like that.

[3:22:52] It's a tag tie in the team.

[3:22:53] You guys have a long way to show up here at the time.

[3:22:56] Have listened to us as a group to the DFC, the Board.

[3:23:00] Members of the public.

[3:23:01] You know, the efforts to truly appreciate it.

[3:23:03] Come on, way.

[3:23:04] Take it to that.

[3:23:05] You're welcome.

[3:23:07] Is the public have any comments or questions?

[3:23:10] Just cue it.

[3:23:11] The microphones.

[3:23:13] It's closest to

[3:23:17] you.

[3:23:18] Carol Johnston, 41 Maple Street.

[3:23:20] My concern is, what is the setback for the apartment building?

[3:23:25] It seems as if it's right on 109, is how much setback are you going to go so that there's

[3:23:32] no danger of accidents going into the apartment, also on the country store.

[3:23:40] That seems to be right on 109 as well.

[3:23:43] If you do it in line with, if you pull that slide back off, you'll see that the restaurant

[3:23:49] to set back. That seems to be a nice amount to be set back off of 109, wondering if the apartment building

[3:23:56] can be pushed back? I mean you have a lot of property there, so it shouldn't be a problem

[3:24:00] for them to push back.

[3:24:01] The issue, I think, is the wetlands.

[3:24:04] So that's driving a lot of it.

[3:24:05] Does the project comply with set back?

[3:24:10] Okay.

[3:24:11] Right.

[3:24:13] So they have to work within the constraints of the property, right?

[3:24:16] So, that's a concern for me, is that the country store seems to be right on the street.

[3:24:22] And if you're going to put out something for people to sit down and have ice cream,

[3:24:26] who wants to have a car for me to not take them out, right?

[3:24:30] So, hit them by a hit by a car.

[3:24:32] So, that's my concern, as I think that the setback needs to be further for the country store

[3:24:38] and also the apartment complex.

[3:24:41] Just received a few reasons.

[3:24:42] Okay, thank you.

[3:24:46] So, I totally agree with you Jeanine that this project would benefit from additional commercial.

[3:24:53] I do think there's challenges with putting it in that residential building under the zoning,

[3:24:58] it would change some of the setbacks and other requirements.

[3:25:02] So, but if it was located somewhere else on the site,

[3:25:04] I think that would help residents, or not residents of this building, but

[3:25:10] residents, take this project a little bit easier.

[3:25:16] The commercial that's there now was described as being more incidental.

[3:25:21] It's places you stop when you're driving by and you have a need like a gas station or convenience store.

[3:25:27] And in the next part of the presentation, it was explained that this was what the

[3:25:40] particular mix of retail and residential.

[3:25:45] So I would just want to note that the Central Business District

[3:25:48] is meant to be developed in accordance with the Medway Master

[3:25:51] Plan, which once made street to be developed for a small town

[3:25:56] feel for all of the residents.

[3:25:58] And I think these improvements really help both in the appearance of it

[3:26:03] and in the walkability.

[3:26:05] So I do appreciate that.

[3:26:06] But I think there's more that could be done,

[3:26:12] and I think there's a limit.

[3:26:13] It's very limited with the commercial uses, so I'd like to see more.

[3:26:17] Sorry, excuse me.

[3:26:19] And I understand why the applicant doesn't want to add more meaningful commercial

[3:26:22] spaces, why their lender will finance those free to help spaces.

[3:26:26] But this board has been asked by the town to implement the midway master plan and not

[3:26:31] whether to approve a financial project.

[3:26:33] So the town came here and said, it's financing is completely separate from the project that was presented today.

[3:26:39] They have to go to town meeting to get their finances.

[3:26:42] That same here too, it's not up to the board to decide whether the project is financeable.

[3:26:48] So I think that it's important to keep them the Midway Master plan in mind and increase the commercial uses as much as possible.

[3:26:57] Thank you.

[3:26:59] Do you have the comments or questions?

[3:27:08] I was glad to see the decision of a path going to Kelly Street.

[3:27:14] I was wondering, I'm on the way and the only place it looks like maybe Henry Street.

[3:27:19] There might be a possibility of putting a spur out so that I could go without having to always go back,

[3:27:25] east to Halls and Street and go around to get to go west.

[3:27:30] So, it's, you know, I'm not sure I follow you.

[3:27:36] Where's your home?

[3:27:38] Well, if you know what, Roy Street is,

[3:27:42] Henry Street connects to Roy Street,

[3:27:45] and then it's pretty close to where the path goes by

[3:27:48] connecting to Kelly Street.

[3:27:51] The footpath, I guess it's going through wetlands.

[3:27:54] So, if you say spurs, you can get out of your driving, you can make it.

[3:27:57] Just to get out, just to connect to the trail like a spur on the trail to connect, like a trail, like they call the spur, you know, just like a little

[3:28:08] You're going to be a lot to drive from Kelly's screen.

[3:28:11] We have this on to mainstream.

[3:28:13] Let's just not get that out there, right?

[3:28:15] I think they're saying is that they're still, and I didn't like the answer.

[3:28:19] I like to go to Walker, you know.

[3:28:20] possible bike but maybe just you know walking trail just to connect to the trail without

[3:28:25] me having to walk all the way down and all the way around you know.

[3:28:29] I think they're saying that they're still looking at that with with yeah the

[3:28:34] conservation commission commission committee sorry but I think you know we'll get into that

[3:28:42] if they get to that point but I was yeah yeah I was just I really like the idea of having

[3:28:49] I think that might be the community engagement that people are looking for so really like

[3:28:55] like they zeroed in on the farmers market, they zeroed in, zeroed on that next because that

[3:28:59] will continue to push things forward, I think positively.

[3:29:05] Because I used to be able to walk through a couple of fields.

[3:29:08] And it was so much closer and then everything got private property and there was no

[3:29:13] footpaths installed and any of those, it's like 137 houses and there's no footpaths from

[3:29:18] like apples in all the way to Kelly and all the streets in the, there's nothing to

[3:29:22] footpath to connect anyone to the rest of the town and it's always, they go, take the

[3:29:26] long way around, you know, it's twice as long if maybe more.

[3:29:31] Any other comments or questions? Anything wrong mind? Okay. Do you guys have anything else

[3:29:39] I want to present tonight.

[3:29:43] Do you have one question?

[3:29:45] Do you just come up to the microphone?

[3:29:49] Yeah.

[3:29:50] How street?

[3:29:52] Just the actual apartment building.

[3:29:55] Kind of trying to get up to speed on this whole thing.

[3:29:57] Is that design finalized where it just runs the life?

[3:30:00] I mean, sure, is there ever been a consideration of trying to do like multiple buildings to maybe not make it look like that kind of like island feel that you talked about and make it more like if you're going to do like a downtown like it just kind of feels like like block there.

[3:30:13] And I don't know if we where they are.

[3:30:15] I've been going on for four years.

[3:30:18] Yeah.

[3:30:18] I mean, it started out.

[3:30:20] Yeah.

[3:30:21] I've been here a few years.

[3:30:23] I've been trying to get up to speed.

[3:30:24] Yeah.

[3:30:25] It's kind of an iterative process.

[3:30:27] It's been going on for a long time, and they bought some additional land, and it just has been morphing and evolving.

[3:30:40] Yeah, not necessarily in front of the board, but they've been dealing with some neighborhood, like the Kelly Street neighborhood,

[3:30:48] And there was some negotiation between them and themselves over not building out in the back at Kelly Street so they pushed everything up.

[3:31:00] That's how we got to what we have here.

[3:31:03] 10.

[3:31:04] Your next desire is a committee meeting.

[3:31:07] 2.

[3:31:08] That was probably a good one.

[3:31:11] 2.

[3:31:13] So just for clarification, we don't.

[3:31:15] Yeah.

[3:31:15] I'm sorry.

[3:31:16] I'm just going to go.

[3:31:18] When is your next desire?

[3:31:20] Are you giving me a chance?

[3:31:20] What do you get there on?

[3:31:22] I've all died.

[3:31:25] If you are seeing this about our second meeting.

[3:31:46] You can sign up for a gender for any town board meeting, or I think my wife has signed up for

[3:31:53] She just forwards them to me.

[3:31:54] So she's right here.

[3:31:55] My wife is signed up for him.

[3:31:57] So she said to me, so I try to stay like in touch with that.

[3:32:00] And then I guess the last thing probably

[3:32:01] should have come up during the traffic piece,

[3:32:04] but I'm assuming we've all considered it.

[3:32:06] But don't we just kind of see the risk

[3:32:07] of putting an apartment building right

[3:32:09] by where the fire, like fire department is going to be the fire trucks.

[3:32:13] I know the lighting, the traffic,

[3:32:14] that they're going to try to put there.

[3:32:16] But there's obviously concerns about the R.E. congestion on Main Street,

[3:32:20] and then you're putting an apartment building

[3:32:22] with a lot of in and out, and I know that there's the data and they've kind of showed that,

[3:32:26] but there's still just kind of that cause of concern that you can look at data, but you have

[3:32:31] to so factor in that there could be things that could happen where delays of fire truck or

[3:32:35] an ambulance or whatever it is from getting somewhere, you know, a fire can, you know, take over

[3:32:42] in a couple minutes and if you get hung up on Main Street. I don't know if that's really a question

[3:32:47] or just more of a speaking it out loud. Yeah, it's just a concern.

[3:32:53] to accommodate the risk, and the fire department comments on their project, and if there's a concern, it's going to get brought up, and we'll address it as these meetings continue.

[3:33:07] I mean, this is really our second meeting as a board on this. This will probably get pretty intense on, you know, if you thought traffic was boring tonight.

[3:33:18] like some of the other stuff is no offense either.

[3:33:22] I

[3:33:25] happen to be interested in everyone.

[3:33:32] So it's not that sexy as beautiful architecture.

[3:33:37] But regardless, we're going to be working on this thing as quickly as we can to be mindful of the development community.

[3:33:48] but also working on it as diligently as we can because we represent the community.

[3:33:54] Right.

[3:33:54] And I think it's a good sign. I hope we'll sign that you're able to pivot as much as you did with the original.

[3:34:02] I read my doubts, but you shined, man.

[3:34:05] I mean, that's not really good for us to be whispering to each other while you're giving your presentation.

[3:34:12] but we were a little gaupsmacked with the amount of additional improvement that were made in the short amount of time.

[3:34:22] So I think that will continue to see some along the way, because to your point at the massing,

[3:34:29] it does break up the visual impact, but maybe there's a little bit more that can be done over a minute.

[3:34:35] Special thank you for doing so much work and such a short time.

[3:34:39] hoping that that helps restore a little bit of the faith in the process that you know.

[3:34:46] We've probably been walking.

[3:34:49] I was just a little bit.

[3:34:55] All right, anything else?

[3:34:57] Thank you.

[3:34:59] Can I have anything?

[3:35:01] Mary Jane?

[3:35:03] Okay.

[3:35:05] What do we need?

[3:35:06] We've got a date.

[3:35:09] Well, let's see when people have been ready and the other things we need to discuss as well.

[3:35:32] So yeah, we'll be ready to respond next week.

[3:35:34] And then the gentleman will want to do whatever they want.

[3:35:37] They will be easy.

[3:35:38] You have the sunshine.

[3:35:39] We can do it.

[3:35:40] Yes.

[3:35:41] We'll use a couple of minutes.

[3:35:44] So what about some of the other issues?

[3:35:46] One of these you'll have a revised side points,

[3:35:49] and then you'll get some re-reachings from conservation.

[3:36:06] One of the meeting dates,

[3:36:08] we should be looking at the 25th.

[3:36:09] On the 25th, we have September 8th,

[3:36:16] and September 27th.

[3:36:29] On September 8th.

[3:36:33] On the 25th, September 10th.

[3:36:36] On the 25th, September 10th.

[3:36:39] Okay, and what will you have ready on September 8th, traffic?

[3:36:42] and no hands?

[3:36:45] Yes.

[3:36:45] They need to have that.

[3:36:47] They need to have that.

[3:36:48] They need to have that.

[3:36:51] We're ready to start talking about some special permits.

[3:36:53] Do you question?

[3:36:55] That's a new job.

[3:36:58] Sure.

[3:37:00] In terms of just running through the criteria and how we satisfy it.

[3:37:06] Okay.

[3:37:07] This is not reason not to do concurrently.

[3:37:12] Okay.

[3:37:12] I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing to September 8th at 7 p.m. here at the Middle

[3:37:18] School of Presentation Room.

[3:37:20] Sir, second, second, any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

[3:37:29] Okay.

[3:37:29] Great.

[3:37:30] Thank you very much.

[3:37:34] Vote to approve committee appointment for open space committee, Andrea Hunter.

[3:37:40] I'll make a motion to appoint Andrea Gunther to a two-year term on the open space committee.

[3:37:47] Second.

[3:37:51] Second.

[3:37:52] Okay, we've got a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none? All those in favor? Please say aye.

[3:37:59] Okay.

[3:37:59] we're not going to talk about bond reliance. Okay. Preview of potential fault time

[3:38:05] meeting warrant articles. Can we, hey, can we clear the wrong please?

[3:38:13] So, Mr. Chairman, you should have in your packet, it proposed 2026 fault time meeting

[3:38:20] schedule. You know, it's late, so I won't go through it, but it's just important that we

[3:38:25] set the date for the public hearing. I'm suggesting that we set it for our total

[3:38:30] 13, that will give us time to get everything done.

[3:38:35] You will notice that we need to submit our warrant articles

[3:38:38] with a select board by September 8th.

[3:38:40] So we only have a couple meetings to do this.

[3:38:43] So that's the only reason I want to do that.

[3:38:44] Should we take up sub-division control?

[3:38:48] We do all that?

[3:38:51] No.

[3:38:53] Well, I noticed you did have a couple of chains.

[3:38:57] A little edits.

[3:38:57] But why do you need to make that?

[3:38:59] Yes, given we're not in the little bombs at that.

[3:39:04] Yes.

[3:39:04] State not comments every now and then.

[3:39:05] Right.

[3:39:05] So the only one to be had so far are some housekeeping items.

[3:39:11] Something about the trail signs.

[3:39:13] And then the zoning amendments that are going to be

[3:39:15] required by the new state laws.

[3:39:18] But we can go over all this at the next one.

[3:39:19] I really wanted to kind of get it on the.

[3:39:22] Well, it sounds like we have a break between this.

[3:39:26] meeting you know when this meeting is over the next meeting we can work on it but we can't

[3:39:31] probably after that until we just put both of those big practice and it's a two very

[3:39:37] right we just got to get it all done by. I think we put it up Jeremy.

[3:39:45] One twenty made. No it's twenty second. Yeah one twenty is on the twenty second.

[3:39:55] The

[3:39:58] I'm here the eighth, but the following week I'm not, so if we have to have a special meeting, I think I'm not going to be around.

[3:40:06] We're going to be a special meeting.

[3:40:08] All right, so I'll put this on for next week for the next meeting.

[3:40:13] But what we can take a vote to set the point, yeah.

[3:40:18] On my commotion to approve the planning and economics development board, public hearing date for the fall town meeting for October 13th, 2026.

[3:40:27] Sir, second.

[3:40:29] Any further discussion?

[3:40:31] Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

[3:40:33] Aye.

[3:40:34] No construction reports.

[3:40:38] And we're not going to consider these meeting minutes until the next meeting.

[3:40:43] Is there any other business that may become before the board?

[3:41:10] I want to say I did put a couple of sticks together because I did want to take them

[3:41:20] moment to thank you, Dermany, for your three years of service to midway first as our coordinator

[3:41:26] and then that was our planner. Your research, diligence, attention to policy, and data,

[3:41:33] and commitment to process have made a real difference. And you obviously elevated the position

[3:41:39] during the time you're attested by your promotion. And I think that's really working with

[3:41:44] our growth. It's really prepared you well to step into leadership role as the

[3:41:49] of planning department. And so I just wanted to say that all of your contributions, planning,

[3:42:00] economic development, design review, and a thousand other things have really served the

[3:42:06] I don't think you're here.

[3:42:08] Yes.

[3:42:10] It's dropping.

[3:42:11] If Foxboro drives you nuts, you can come back.

[3:42:19] No, no, no, no, no.

[3:42:20] Well said Sarah.

[3:42:20] Say hi to Mr. Krabs.

[3:42:22] Mr. Krabs.

[3:42:23] Mr. Krabs.

[3:42:24] Mr. Krabs.

[3:42:26] Yeah, he has some crossing going to shore.

[3:42:29] Yeah.

[3:42:30] He's down in Farksboro a lot.

[3:42:34] Thank you, Jeremy.

[3:42:36] I'll miss you.

[3:42:38] Thank you, Jeremy.

[3:42:38] You're the end of another end of Jeremy at Farksboro, but they've been looking

[3:42:42] before you do it though.

[3:42:44] I'm sorry.

[3:42:46] I'm sorry.

[3:42:49] T-stations.

[3:42:51] Yeah, you probably see our group too, maybe not me, but.

[3:42:55] All right, is there a motion to adjourn?

[3:42:58] Is there a second?

[3:42:59] Any further discussion?

[3:43:01] Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.

[3:43:04] Aye.

Planning & Economic Development Board Meeting August 11, 2026

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