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[0:00]
Evening
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and welcome everyone. We'd like to like
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to welcome you to the regular city
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council meeting. The date is August 20th
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and the time is 6 pm. Let's please start
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out with the roll call. Aubriana
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>> Bates
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>> here.
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>> Mango
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>> here.
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>> Nicholls
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>> here.
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>> Satderfield
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>> here.
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>> Swanson
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>> here.
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>> Dquist
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>> here. And if you would please rise and
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join me in the pledge of allegiance. If
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you'd remain standing after the pledge,
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we will have the invocation offered by
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Tony Cycle representing Port of Sanka.
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>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the
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United States of America and to the
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republic for which it stands. One nation
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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
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justice for all.
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» [snorts]
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» I invite you to close your eyes as we
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bring our attention to our breath and
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body.
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Standing here recognizing our breath.
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This present moment and recognizing that
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we are in the present moment.
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This moment is precious because it gives
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us the opportunity to make skillful
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choices for the future based on our
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highest aspirations.
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We give thanks for this precious body
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and precious human life. We reaffirm our
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desire to serve our fellow human beings.
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May all of us in this meeting continue
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to hold this strong intention to serve
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others, to be a bridge for those with
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rivers to cross, a ship for those with
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oceans to cross, a shelter for the
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homeless, a safe refuge for those in
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danger, and a hand of hope for those who
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feel no hope. May our health continue to
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support our efforts. May we welcome
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adversity as readily as success. May all
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of us be free from suffering. May we
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live with ease of being.
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May all those suffering in war and
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oppression find peace and those grieving
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find solless and those who are ill
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have compassionate treatment and health.
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May all beings without exception be free
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from enmity, danger, hatred, and
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despair. May all beings be free from
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suffering and the causes of suffering.
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May our efforts here today benefit all
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of the citizens of Pocutella.
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I'd like to close this meditation again
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with a quote from the Buddha. The
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dedication of a virtuous act for all
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beings is like adding a drop of water to
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the ocean. As long as the ocean exists,
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the drop of water exists. So too, a
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small positive action when directed
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toward the benefit of all beings will
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endure forever.
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I invite you to open your eyes now so
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that you can begin your important work
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on behalf of the people of Pocutello.
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Mayor Dulquist and members of council,
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thank you for your continued service to
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the people of Pocutello.
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>> Thank you very much, Tony.
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Agenda item three is the consent agenda.
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The following business items may be
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approved by one motion and a vote. If
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any one member of the council so
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desires, any matter listed can be moved
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to a separate agenda item. A minutes.
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Council may wish to wave the oral
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reading of the minutes and approve the
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minutes from the following meetings.
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clarification in regular city council
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meetings of June 4 and June 18, 2026 and
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city council budget development meetings
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of June 1 and June 2, 2026.
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B. Material claims. Council may wish to
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approve the material claims for the
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period of August 1 through August 15,
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2026.
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C. Treasures report. Council may wish to
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approve the treasurer's report for June
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2026 showing cash and investments as of
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June 30, 2026.
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D. City Council decision short plat
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approval for HAC subdivision. Council
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may wish to adopt its decision approving
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the short plat for the HAC subdivision,
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which subdivides approximately 9.11
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acres of parcel RPCP1388512
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into four lots subject to conditions. E.
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City Council decision short plat
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approval for Greyside subdivision.
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Council may wish to adopt its decision
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approving the short plat for Greyside
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subdivision which subdivides
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approximately.70
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acres of parcel into three lots subject
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to conditions. And at this time I'd ask
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our CFO Rich Morgan to come forward and
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present the treasurer's report.
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Mayor and Council, thank you for this
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opportunity.
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Couple of things. I'll first present the
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report
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the what you're used to and then I'd
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like to show you at the end
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um how to get into openg and if anyone's
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watching they'll be able to see that and
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how it goes.
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All right.
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Well, maybe we'll just go from here. Oh,
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there we go.
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Okay,
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just remind you that it's Idaho code
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that gets us here. So, and also always
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will remind you this is the official
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report.
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Uh if someone asks for the report,
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that's what they're going to get, not my
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presentation, but sometimes the analysis
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is helpful in in what we're doing. We
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begin with 111 almost $112 million. Our
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receipts were 15.5 million
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dispersements. This this month we're 18
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of June were 18.5 million. We ended with
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about 109. So the net change was about 3
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million.
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Again I just listed the um
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differences for those operating funds
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that we have.
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And then this is our cash balance. I did
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want to go over this uh just so you know
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how that works. Um again, and hopefully
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you're getting familiar as we go through
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this. So, US Bank, we have about $24
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million sitting right now in US Bank.
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That's because in July, we did this is [clears throat] representative
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of 817. The the percentages we go
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through are through June, but this
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[clears throat] represents that second
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payment of property tax on the
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remittance that we get. We estimate our
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payroll accounts payable. We do have
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outstanding checks. And so the available
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from that uh 24 million is about 14 and
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a half. We have 15 million in the LGIP.
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Uh that's the local government
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investment pool. It's run by the state.
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U most municipalities do park extra cash
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with the LGIP. It's very safe. And we
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also uh finished implementing our
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investment strategy with Clearwater.
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That's the 80 million. You can see that
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we have acred about $746,000
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of interest so far. That's really that's a really good thing. Uh we're
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excited about about the opportunities we
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have there with Clear Water.
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Really quick, we're 83% of the year
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through. Um, two more months to go
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citywide. This does reflect the last
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budget amendment. I've updated for
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those. So, the budget was 154 million.
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Uh, we've collected 124. You can see the
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general street recreation, sanitation,
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water, and WPC numbers. It's We're all
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in the sweet spot. It's really nice.
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Sanitation is a little bit high. They
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did receive some reimbursement monies
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that I just heard of. Uh that's why
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they're a little bit high on the on the
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revenue side. They probably will go over
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the 100% because of that. Um
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which is great.
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Summary of our expenses. Again, we're
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83% through the year, 174 million in the
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budget. We've spent 116, so we're 66%
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through. Remember, this is our busy
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time. If you look at uh the general fund
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or or sanitation, those are pretty
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steady
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regular expenses, they're in that sweet
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spot. Uh if you look at water, you might
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think, well, it's a little low, but
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remember those are cyclical and and
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water will catch up in the summertime.
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So then you want to look at or you can
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look at you want to make sure that your
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revenues are ma or matching or exceeding
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your expenses. That's what this one does
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for you. Um we have 150 million
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budgeted revenues and we're at 76% on
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our expenses. Again, 83% through the
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year. So a nice sweet spot to be in. It
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all looks really good. I don't I didn't
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have any concerns or anything that I
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wanted to point out in the way of
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concerns, just that this seems to be
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reassuring.
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Um, we've got a thing a a good thing
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going here. We've got great management
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and that's what it is. It's we've got
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good departments doing what they need to
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do with with what they've got. I did
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include the financial performance
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metrics. You can look over those uh if
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you have any questions. We've gone over
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them. They didn't change a whole lot.
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It's all the It's all the same. I think
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it'll be really interesting as we go
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forward. We can peg these for fiscal
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year 26 and then start comparing our
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fiscal year 27 to them. And I think
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that'll be a good discussion to have.
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All right.
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So, I wanted to really quick just I just
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wanted to take a minute.
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If you go to our website, looks like
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it's already up,
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but [snorts] if you're on Google or any
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other like duck, whatever, you just type
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in city of Pocutello, it'll take you to
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the website. There's two ways to do
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this. You can scroll
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down and you'll see Pocutello news the
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calendar and then you see Pocutello
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spotlights and under stay informed
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we've put a connection here that says
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view proposed budget. If you click there
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it takes you to
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the dashboard. And I wanted to point out
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that we're no longer This is open gov.
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You can see up there in that line, it it
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looks like Pocutello. We've paid for
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this branding. We want them to recognize
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us. So, it looks like Pocutello, but
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this is Open Gov. You can go to the
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table of contents,
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which is um
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look up every department. You can you
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can drill down into those departments.
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You can see their line items.
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This is the budget overview.
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kind of gives our philosophy what's
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going on.
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That is not the one I was thinking.
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Sorry.
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There we go. It's got a
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beautiful picture of downtown,
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beautiful picture of the council mayor.
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Kind of gives our philosophy. This is
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the dashboard that the public would see
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and they can go into those departments
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and drill down. You can also get there
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just really quick.
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If you go back
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and someone's on our main page,
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instead of scrolling through, how do I
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get home?
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Oh, there we go.
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Forgot where I was. If you're on your
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main page, if you go to government, you
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go to finance,
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and you drill down
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budget and fees. You collect you you you
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click on the budget and fees.
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You'll see this
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budget fiscal year 2027, the proposed.
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If you click on that again, you're going
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it'll take you to that open gov link. So
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you'll see what's in open gov.
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I did want to point out to the council
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that if you start
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at Google
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and type in open gov,
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this is something for the council.
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and you have all received a login and
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you go to government login.
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You type in your email address, hit
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continue, your password, and that'll
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take you to Open Gov 2. It does look a
[13:41]
little different, but it's all the same
[13:44]
information. You can drill down in
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there, you could play with the
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information there. And that's something
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that we've provided as as as
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council members to get into actual open
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gov instead of just that dashboard.
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So
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all right, I think that's all I have.
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>> Yeah, great. I just encourage members of
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the public to take a look at this and
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council members as well to go into that too. Um, but I think it's it's a
[14:13]
big upgrade and compliment your staff,
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Rich, for spending so much time
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converting this over. I think it is a
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tool that just makes things so much more
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transparent.
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>> Thank you.
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>> All right. [clears throat] And with
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that, I would entertain a motion to
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approve the consent agenda.
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>> Mr. Mayor,
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>> yes.
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>> I would move that we approve the consent
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agenda. Agenda item three, items A, B,
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C, D, and E as outlined.
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>> Second.
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>> Thank you. We have a first from
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Councilman Mangum, a second from
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Councilman Pollson. Aubriana, please
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call the role.
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>> Hang,
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>> yes.
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>> Pollson,
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>> yes.
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>> Bates,
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>> yes. [clears throat]
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>> Sfield,
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>> yes.
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>> Swanson,
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>> yes.
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>> Agenda item six is items from the
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audience. This time has been set aside
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to hear items from the audience not
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listed on the agenda. Items which
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appeared somewhere else on the agenda
[15:09]
will not be discussed at this time. The
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council is not allowed to take any
[15:13]
official action at this meeting on
[15:15]
matters brought forward under this
[15:17]
agenda item. Items will either be
[15:20]
referred to the appropriate staff or
[15:22]
scheduled on a subsequent agenda. You
[15:26]
must sign in at the start of the meeting
[15:27]
in order to be recognized. Please note
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you have a maximum of three minutes per
[15:32]
speaker. Um, with that, we've had two
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people sign in this evening. Um,
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Stephen, if you'd like to come forward
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and you'd like to talk about a flock
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public hearing.
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Sorry.
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>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the
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council.
[15:53]
In the course of human events of our
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forefathers made a voyage to this land
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to seek freedoms that they did not have
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the privilege of in their prior
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homeland.
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They sought the freedom to be a free
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people. Freedom of worship, freedom of
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taxation without representation
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along with other freedoms that were
[16:20]
granted in the Bill of Rights of the
[16:21]
Constitution of the United States. One
[16:24]
of their most prized freedoms that they
[16:27]
dealt with is they wanted freedom from a
[16:31]
tyrannical government who once would
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invade their person's homes p pap pap pap pap pap pap pap pap pap pap papers
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and effects without reasonable lawful
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causes and without lawful warrants to
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search their possessions. Their intent
[16:47]
of the bill of rights was to protect a
[16:50]
good people from tyranny. The Fourth
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Amendment is timeless. We should not be
[16:57]
confused with past Supreme Court cases
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that do not directly relate to the ALPRs
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now in questions. When lawful people are
[17:08]
indiscriminately tracked from point to point and their travels are
[17:14]
logged, then they have lost their right
[17:17]
as a free and lawful people to travel
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without incumbrances or concerns.
[17:25]
security in how the information is
[17:28]
stored and access has been a historic
[17:31]
issue, including how free access is
[17:36]
allowed by flock safety to use at will
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in contract sections
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identified as 4.2 and 5.3.
[17:48]
We the people must be entered into the
[17:51]
scope of how our government runs its
[17:54]
business for protection.
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$120,000
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a year is being spent on questionable
[18:01]
technology when it could be spent on
[18:04]
officers who could act in a legal and
[18:07]
lawful manner. Benjamin Franklin once
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said, "Those who would give up essential
[18:14]
liberty to purchase a little temporary
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safety deserve neither liberty nor
[18:19]
safety." In the spirit of liberty and
[18:23]
representation
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from our taxation, we the people ask
[18:29]
that a public hearing be held on clock
[18:32]
safety camera and the subsequent
[18:35]
contract considerations before any
[18:37]
future related contracts are considered.
[18:41]
Thank you very much.
[18:43]
>> Thank you, Stephen.
[18:45]
Next, we have David Pearson. All right.
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He's here to discuss Highline and Pearl
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intersection.
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[cough and clears throat]
[18:56]
Thank you guys for giving me the
[18:59]
opportunity to get to express my
[19:03]
concerns. I live on Willard Avenue
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between Griffin and uh Pearl. My
[19:11]
backyard is the construction site that's
[19:14]
going on right now.
[19:16]
They they got it detourred right now
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that is actually going right in my down
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my street. Um my concerns are is with
[19:28]
all this additional traffic that is
[19:30]
going down Willard and the school
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district as schools are opening up. Um
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I've got real strong concerns that
[19:40]
safety. I see the kids going up and
[19:42]
down. I see parents and they're go
[19:45]
traveling, dropping their kids off and
[19:48]
kids are running down the street, you
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know, down the sidewalks and, you know,
[19:52]
kids sometimes don't have the best
[19:54]
judgment.
[19:55]
And I would really appreciate it if we
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actually have a police presence there
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during the time in the mornings and at
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noon and and when the school's out be
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and just just to have them there.
[20:15]
They do a really a good job on Griffin
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and Willard, you know, the school
[20:20]
district does by having traffic, you
[20:23]
know, somebody guiding, you know, the
[20:26]
parents and the kids and stopping the
[20:29]
traffic. My concern is Pearl.
[20:33]
Well, right now I get honked at and
[20:38]
gesture, you know, some gestures flown
[20:40]
at my way just because I'm trying to
[20:43]
turn and pull into my driveway. You
[20:46]
know, these they just I mean,
[20:50]
I I'm concerned and I just would
[20:53]
appreciate the, you know, to look at
[20:57]
this and give some kind of forethought.
[21:02]
All right. Thank you.
[21:02]
>> Yeah. Thank you, David. Really
[21:04]
appreciate you bringing us up to speed
[21:07]
with that. Um, I'll have a conversation
[21:10]
with our police and we'll see what we
[21:12]
can do there. Thank you. I have to
[21:15]
circle back a little bit on the agenda.
[21:17]
That agenda item number four, there's no
[21:20]
proclamations this evening. So, we'll
[21:22]
jump to agenda item five. Sorry, a
[21:24]
little bit out of order. Um, but on the
[21:27]
calendar review council meetings,
[21:30]
September 3rd at 5:30 p.m. we do have
[21:33]
the council clarification meeting. Then
[21:35]
at 6 PM is the regular city council
[21:38]
meeting. September 10th at 9:00 a.m. is
[21:41]
the city council work session. Other
[21:44]
events are as follows. August 23rd, Ross
[21:47]
Park Aquatic Center. Believe it or not,
[21:49]
that's the last day of the season.
[21:52]
August 24th from 400 pm to 700 p.m.
[21:56]
Welcome back orange and black event for
[21:58]
ISU students at Lookout Point in
[22:00]
historic downtown. Then from August 24th
[22:04]
to September 7th, annual maintenance for
[22:07]
community recreation center, the front
[22:10]
desk will remain open, but all other
[22:12]
areas will be closed for maintenance.
[22:14]
August 29th, it's the annual Portner
[22:17]
River Cleanup from 10:00 a.m. to noon.
[22:20]
Meet at the Pacific Recycling Trail
[22:22]
Head. Bring work gloves and other tools
[22:24]
to help clean the river of trash and
[22:27]
debris. Contact the science and
[22:29]
environment division for more
[22:30]
information. I'll be at that event and I
[22:33]
hope to see see you all there. Open
[22:36]
burnband
[22:38]
urban interface area that continues.
[22:42]
And then due to the extreme heat we're
[22:44]
experiencing, the following city
[22:46]
facilities will serve as cooling
[22:48]
shelters through the end of August.
[22:50]
Hours are at city hall Monday through
[22:53]
Friday, 7:30 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. and
[22:57]
Saturdays and Sundays here at city hall,
[22:59]
10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. The animal
[23:01]
shelter is another site that's from
[23:03]
Monday through Friday at 10:00 a.m. to
[23:06]
5:00 p.m. Saturdays from 11:00 a.m. to
[23:09]
5:00 p.m. Close Sundays. Pets are
[23:12]
welcome at that location. Then there's
[23:14]
the Marshall Public Library. Hours there
[23:17]
are Monday through Thursday 10:00 a.m.
[23:19]
to 6:00 p.m. Friday and Saturday from
[23:22]
10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. and closed on
[23:24]
Sundays. Schools will be starting soon.
[23:27]
Please slow down in school zones. And I
[23:30]
think David would especially appreciate
[23:32]
that. Um, looking ahead, September 7th,
[23:36]
city offices will be closed for Labor
[23:38]
Day. However, garbage, yard waste, and
[23:40]
recycle pickups will continue as
[23:43]
scheduled.
[23:44]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[23:45]
>> yes.
[23:45]
>> May I add one thing?
[23:46]
>> You [clears throat] sure may.
[23:47]
>> Yeah. This evening, um, at Jim Dandy,
[23:49]
there's a fundraiser for the Pocutello
[23:50]
free clinic. I'm going to run over and
[23:53]
bid on a few things. Um, so I'd
[23:55]
encourage you to, if you can, uh,
[23:58]
support this really essential service
[24:00]
here in our city. Thank you.
[24:02]
>> Great cause. Thanks for pointing that
[24:04]
out.
[24:07]
Okay. Agenda item seven, that's a
[24:10]
resolution expressing opposition to M44
[24:14]
cyanide devices. Council may wish to
[24:17]
adopt the resolution expressing formal
[24:19]
opposition to any continued assembly,
[24:23]
manufacture, and distribution of M44
[24:26]
cyanide devices within the m municipal
[24:29]
limits of the city of Pocutello.
[24:32]
Um, with that, we do have members of the
[24:35]
Mansfield family here tonight, and
[24:37]
they're gonna come forward and talk
[24:39]
about that.
[24:44]
[clears throat]
[24:44]
>> If you could each introduce yourselves,
[24:46]
if you would.
[24:47]
>> Yeah, I got a speech.
[24:50]
[laughter]
[24:50]
>> Mayor Dalquist and members of the city
[24:52]
council, thank you for the opportunity
[24:54]
to speak before you today. My name is
[24:55]
Canyon Mansfield, and alongside me are
[24:57]
my parents, Theresa and Mark. Uh, as
[25:00]
many of you may know, nine years ago, I
[25:02]
was the boy who triggered an M44 cyanide
[25:04]
bomb that poisoned me and killed my
[25:06]
two-year-old lab, Casey. We are here to
[25:08]
support the city of Pocutello's proposed
[25:10]
resolution against the supply of M44
[25:12]
cyanide devices from our city in the
[25:14]
hope that it marks the beginning of the
[25:16]
end of their distribution from
[25:17]
Pocutello.
[25:18]
There's a cruel, tragic irony in the
[25:20]
fact that the very device that poisoned
[25:22]
me and forced me to witness my dog's
[25:23]
death was manufactured and built only
[25:26]
miles from my home in my city that used
[25:28]
to feel so familiar. Stranger still,
[25:30]
that depot responsible was the sole
[25:32]
supplier for the entire United States.
[25:34]
My sense of sanctuary was shattered and
[25:36]
my safe hometown became just an illusion
[25:38]
of the past. Perhaps it was predictable,
[25:40]
or rather tragically unsurprising, that
[25:43]
the supplier manufacturing these
[25:44]
poisonous devices posed the greatest
[25:46]
danger to the residents nearby,
[25:48]
eventually being triggered by the
[25:49]
innocent curiosity of a 14-year-old boy.
[25:52]
Their building is deliberately
[25:53]
inconspicuous, located merely blocks
[25:55]
away from ISU, and continues to threaten
[25:57]
our community in silence. However,
[25:59]
despite the bitterness that still grips
[26:00]
me when I happen near it, I still hold
[26:02]
much faith for my city. Faith that my
[26:04]
family's suffering wasn't in vain. faith
[26:06]
that Casey's death was would enact
[26:08]
change. The faith that you who have been
[26:10]
entrusted to lead bear our community's
[26:12]
best interest in mind. And so I have
[26:13]
come here guided by this sense of faith
[26:15]
to stand here and ask that when you cast
[26:17]
your vote, you prove this faith right.
[26:19]
Thank you.
[26:20]
>> Thanks, Ken.
[26:26]
These devices pose a very serious and
[26:29]
unacceptable threat to public safety and
[26:33]
I urge your continued leadership in
[26:34]
opposing them. In 2017 when I moved to
[26:38]
Pocutello, I I always loved Pocutello
[26:41]
and I always said we live in the
[26:42]
greatest place on earth. But in 2017
[26:44]
when this happened,
[26:47]
I received that same love from our
[26:49]
community, from this city and it changed
[26:52]
me forever. This community has rallied
[26:54]
around this issue.
[26:57]
For the past nine years, my family and I
[27:00]
have advocated for an end to the use of
[27:03]
a deadly wildlife poison, the M44
[27:06]
cyanide ejector that killed our family
[27:09]
dog and nearly killed my son. In a
[27:14]
single moment, this M44 cyanide bomb set
[27:17]
by the US Department of Agricultures
[27:19]
Wildlife Services Program stole a
[27:23]
cherished member of my family, an
[27:26]
irreplaceable piece of my son's innocent
[27:29]
and our entire Pocutello community's
[27:32]
sense of security.
[27:35]
to wildlife services, animal damage
[27:37]
control, our beloved dog was just a
[27:39]
non-target take [clears throat] and our
[27:42]
heartbreak merely a public relations
[27:44]
problem.
[27:45]
Rather than evaluating how communities
[27:47]
like Pocutello could be made safer so
[27:51]
that other families would not have to
[27:52]
suffer the painful aftermath of M44
[27:55]
cyanide bombs. The federal agency
[27:58]
continues to make unsupported claims
[28:01]
about the need for every tool in the
[28:03]
toolbox to be made available and
[28:06]
supposedly the targeted nature of M44
[28:10]
cyanide bombs.
[28:12]
But no tool can indiscriminately poison
[28:15]
a child, kill a family pet and devastate
[28:19]
a family
[28:21]
belong in a toolbox. No tool belong like
[28:23]
that belongs in a toolbox. A device that
[28:26]
cannot distinguish between its intended
[28:29]
target and a child or a dog cannot
[28:33]
reasonably be called targeted.
[28:40]
Again, this is fundamentally a public
[28:42]
safety issue. Although Canyon's story
[28:45]
received worldwide attention, it was a
[28:47]
local reporter, Shelby Harris, who
[28:51]
discovered that these devices are
[28:52]
manufactured right here in Pocutello.
[28:55]
The Pocutello Supply Depot is the sole
[28:59]
manufacturer and distributor of the M44
[29:03]
devices and sodium cyanide capsules for
[29:06]
the entire United States.
[29:09]
As Canyon said, there's a painful irony
[29:11]
in that the device that nearly killed my
[29:14]
son just outside my Pocutella home was
[29:18]
manufactured here in our town, in our
[29:21]
community.
[29:24]
But perhaps that gives Pocutello
[29:26]
a unique responsibility and an
[29:29]
opportunity to lead.
[29:32]
It makes me feel like we're meant to do
[29:34]
it.
[29:36]
We're meant to do something.
[29:40]
Cyanide bombs endanger people, pets, and
[29:43]
wildlife.
[29:45]
And they have no place in our city, on
[29:47]
our lands, or anywhere.
[29:51]
Indeed, we must ask ourselves, how many
[29:55]
families must be harmed before
[29:57]
meaningful action is taken?
[30:00]
How much collateral damage are we
[30:02]
willing to accept when it comes to
[30:04]
efforts to kill so-called nuisance
[30:06]
animals?
[30:08]
Should hikers, hunters, children, and
[30:12]
families of Pocutello have to fear
[30:14]
encountering a cyanide device while
[30:16]
they're out enjoying our community and
[30:18]
our public lands?
[30:21]
Is it going going to take the death of a
[30:23]
child to ban this antiquated
[30:26]
indiscriminate device?
[30:30]
Wildlife services has been afforded
[30:32]
countless opportunities to re in its own
[30:36]
deadly practices. Yet the public has not
[30:39]
been made any safer.
[30:42]
It's clear that legislative inter
[30:45]
intervention is necessary as the cyanide
[30:48]
bombs are coming back to our lands right
[30:51]
now as we speak.
[30:54]
This is why this resolution carries such
[30:58]
a great weight.
[31:01]
I'm powerless to change what happened to
[31:04]
my son, but this resolution is
[31:08]
meaningful.
[31:13]
Speaking for the Mansfield family, I
[31:15]
would like to thank Mayor Dalquist and
[31:17]
the members of the Pocutello City
[31:18]
Council for standing with our family and
[31:21]
our community.
[31:23]
I would like to encourage solidarity
[31:25]
with a unanimous vote in passing this
[31:28]
resolution
[31:30]
and for support of Canyon's Law.
[31:33]
Thank you.
[31:34]
>> Thank you.
[31:36]
>> Well, I I the fight isn't over. I mean,
[31:39]
we're still we think we won one battle
[31:42]
and then it's reversed and if we can
[31:45]
just chip away and especially if our
[31:47]
community stands up and says, you know,
[31:49]
we don't want these devices made in our
[31:52]
downtown pretty much, you know, it's
[31:54]
close to where my kids did gymnastics.
[31:58]
It's not far from Ross Park Drive-In
[32:00]
where we have taco spaghetti and
[32:01]
milkshakes and the zoo and like Canyon
[32:05]
said, you you don't even know it's
[32:06]
there. I I had no idea it even existed.
[32:09]
I happened to find it because we were at
[32:11]
we went to St. Vincent to Paul or I
[32:13]
can't remember how, but it's hidden, you
[32:16]
know, and so I feel like this is just
[32:18]
the fight isn't over. And if we can just
[32:20]
chip away, then it shows a lot. It shows
[32:24]
a lot for our community, too, and how
[32:26]
strong we are.
[32:30]
» Thank you. Thank you for sharing this
[32:32]
story and your initiatives. And I know
[32:34]
the last several years have been um real trying, but you've been an advocate
[32:40]
and hung in there and I know you've
[32:42]
talked to lots of folks including our
[32:44]
legislative federal officials. So So
[32:47]
thank you for your advocacy.
[32:50]
>> Thank you.
[32:51]
for listening.
[32:52]
>> Yeah, thank you for listening.
[32:53]
>> And with that I any discussion or I
[32:57]
would entertain a motion. If not, mayor.
[33:00]
>> Yes. I would move to approve agenda item
[33:02]
number seven, the resolution expressing
[33:04]
opposition to M44 cyanide devices as
[33:07]
outlined.
[33:08]
>> Second.
[33:09]
>> Okay. Thank you. We have a first from
[33:11]
Councilman Pollson, a second from
[33:13]
Councilwoman Swanson. Aana, please call
[33:16]
the role.
[33:17]
>> Pollson,
[33:18]
>> yes.
[33:18]
>> Swanson,
[33:19]
>> yes.
[33:26]
>> Okay. With that motion passes,
[33:28]
congratulations. get the resolution
[33:30]
signed.
[33:31]
>> Thank you.
[33:34]
>> The agenda item eight is short plat
[33:38]
application trailside subdivision.
[33:40]
Council may wish to approve a short plat
[33:43]
application by neighborworks Pocutello
[33:45]
Meling address 206 North Arthur Avenue
[33:48]
in Pocutello to subdivide 19.06
[33:52]
06 acres more or less of city-owned land
[33:55]
into three lots located near the
[33:58]
intersection of Foothill Boulevard and
[34:00]
Gayy Drive. The plot will be known as
[34:03]
Trailside Subdivision. Staff recommends
[34:06]
approval of the request with conditions.
[34:09]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[34:10]
>> yes.
[34:10]
>> As I'm on the board of directors for
[34:13]
Neighborworks Pocatello, I will recuse
[34:15]
myself from the vote and deliberation of
[34:17]
this agenda item.
[34:18]
>> Okay. Thank you,
[34:20]
>> Mr. Mayor.
[34:20]
>> Yes. I move that we approve agenda item
[34:22]
number eight, the short plat application
[34:24]
for trailside subdivision as outlined.
[34:27]
>> Thank you.
[34:28]
>> Okay, we have a first from Councilwoman
[34:30]
Swanson, the second from Councilwoman
[34:33]
Pollson. Aana, please call the role.
[34:36]
>> Swanson,
[34:36]
>> yes.
[34:37]
>> Pollson,
[34:38]
>> yes.
[34:38]
>> Bates,
[34:40]
>> yes.
[34:42]
>> Oh, sorry. Sold.
[34:44]
>> Yes.
[34:46]
>> Thank you. Agenda item number nine is
[34:50]
short plat application for the ridges at
[34:52]
high terrace. Council may wish to
[34:54]
approve a short plat application by Bill
[34:58]
Eley and Calvin Rock represented by
[35:00]
Logan Mitchell of Sunrise Engineering to
[35:03]
subdivide 2.84 acres more or less of the
[35:07]
following parcels into two lots. I won't
[35:10]
read the parcel numbers. They're on the
[35:12]
agenda. Um, the lots are currently
[35:14]
vacant and were originally platted with
[35:16]
the ridges at High Terrace Subdivision
[35:19]
Division One.
[35:20]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[35:21]
>> yes.
[35:22]
>> I would move to approve the short blood
[35:23]
application
[35:25]
[clears throat] um agenda item number
[35:27]
nine for the ridges at High Terrace 1A
[35:31]
as outlined.
[35:33]
>> Second.
[35:34]
>> Thank you. We have a first from
[35:36]
Councilman Mangum, a second from
[35:38]
Councilwoman Swanson. Aubriana, please
[35:41]
call the role.
[35:42]
Yes.
[35:43]
>> Yes.
[35:44]
>> Bates,
[35:44]
>> yes.
[35:45]
>> Pollson,
[35:46]
>> yes.
[35:46]
>> Satderfield,
[35:47]
>> yes.
[35:48]
>> Agenda item 10, short plat application,
[35:52]
Seringa Networks. Council may wish to
[35:54]
approve a short plat application by
[35:57]
Seringa Networks LLC represented by
[36:00]
Wyatt Radkey of A&E Engineering to
[36:04]
replplat lots through 4 through 8 and
[36:07]
the north [clears throat] 24 ft of lot 9
[36:10]
block 453 of Pocutello Town site into
[36:13]
two lots. The parcels are located at 233
[36:17]
North Main Street. Staff finds the
[36:19]
application is compliant with Pocutello
[36:22]
city code with conditions.
[36:26]
>> Mayor,
[36:27]
>> yes.
[36:28]
>> I would move to approve the short short
[36:30]
plat application for Seringa Networks as
[36:34]
outlined in agenda item 10.
[36:36]
>> Second.
[36:37]
>> Thank you. We have a first from
[36:38]
Councilman Mangum, a second from
[36:40]
Councilwoman Satderfield. Aubriana,
[36:43]
please call the role.
[36:44]
>> Mangum,
[36:45]
>> yes.
[36:45]
>> Solderfield,
[36:46]
>> yes.
[36:46]
>> Bates,
[36:47]
>> yes. Olson,
[36:48]
>> yes.
[36:49]
>> Swanson,
[36:49]
>> yes.
[36:51]
>> Agenda item 11, final plat application
[36:54]
for the Crossings Town Homes. Council
[36:57]
may wish to approve a final plat
[36:59]
application submitted by Troy Allen
[37:01]
Builders and K Holdings represented by
[37:05]
Tyson Allen to replplat lot 2, block
[37:08]
one, the crossings division one, amended
[37:11]
into 65 lots. The plat proposes
[37:14]
development of 64 zero lot line town
[37:17]
houses in five groups and one common
[37:20]
lot. Common area will consist of private
[37:23]
drives and common area as outlined in
[37:26]
the planned unit development approved on
[37:28]
April 2nd of 2026.
[37:31]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[37:32]
>> yes.
[37:32]
>> I have a question for staff.
[37:34]
>> Okay. Becky
[37:41]
» is manager. Is this the townhouse
[37:44]
proposal that is located off of Poetella
[37:47]
Creek Road?
[37:48]
>> No, this is um it runs parallel to
[37:50]
Venture Way and uh and in between
[37:53]
Wayfair and Venture and ends at at
[37:56]
Paradigm and creates this Yes. in the
[37:58]
Nate area.
[38:00]
>> Okay. Anything else for Becky?
[38:02]
>> Yeah, real quick. When I was looking at
[38:04]
this, um do you know how many like
[38:06]
parking spots are are per unit?
[38:08]
>> They um have we've discussed that pretty
[38:11]
at length. They will each have driveways
[38:13]
um and feel that they'll have adequate
[38:15]
parking to meet all the parking
[38:17]
criteria. Yes.
[38:18]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[38:18]
>> You're welcome.
[38:21]
>> Okay. Thanks, Becky.
[38:25]
>> Okay,
[38:25]
>> Mr. Mayor.
[38:27]
>> All right. I think I heard Swanson
[38:29]
first. [laughter]
[38:31]
>> Mr. Mayor, I move to approve agenda item
[38:33]
number 11, final plat application, the
[38:35]
crossings town homes as outlined.
[38:37]
>> Second.
[38:38]
>> All right. Thank you. We have a first
[38:39]
from Councilwoman Swanson. A second from
[38:41]
Councilman Mangum. Aubriana, please call
[38:44]
the role.
[38:45]
>> Swanson,
[38:46]
>> yes.
[38:46]
>> Mangum,
[38:47]
>> yes.
[38:47]
>> Bates,
[38:48]
>> yes.
[38:48]
>> Hson,
[38:49]
>> yes.
[38:49]
>> Satville,
[38:50]
>> yes.
[38:51]
>> Agenda item 12 is the final plat
[38:54]
application for Creekide Cove. Council
[38:57]
may wish to approve a final plat
[38:59]
application by Jonathan Hunt represented
[39:02]
by Gardener Francis to plat phase one of
[39:06]
the Creek Side Cove subdivision. The
[39:09]
plat proposes development of 11 zero lot
[39:12]
line town houses in two groups of five
[39:15]
and one common lot. Common areas will
[39:18]
consist of the private drives and common
[39:20]
area as outlined in the PUD approved May
[39:24]
21st, 2026.
[39:28]
Mr. Mayor.
[39:29]
>> Yes.
[39:30]
>> I would move to approve the final PL
[39:32]
application for Creekide Co um as
[39:36]
outlined in agenda item 12.
[39:38]
>> Second.
[39:39]
>> Okay. We have a first from Councilman
[39:42]
Mangum, a second from Councilwoman Swan
[39:44]
Solderfield. Aubriana, please call the
[39:47]
role.
[39:47]
>> Mangum.
[39:48]
>> Yes.
[39:48]
>> Soldfield.
[39:49]
>> Yes.
[39:50]
>> Bates.
[39:51]
>> Yes.
[39:51]
>> Pollson.
[39:52]
>> Yes.
[39:52]
>> Swanson.
[39:53]
>> Yes.
[39:55]
Moving right al right right along. Our
[39:57]
planning department's been busy. We have
[39:59]
final plat application for the ridges at
[40:01]
High Terrace Division 2. Council may
[40:04]
wish to approve a final plat application
[40:06]
by Trit LLC represented by Sunrise
[40:10]
Engineering to plat 9.12 acres more or
[40:14]
less into 14 lots. Staff finds the final
[40:18]
plat is substantial in substantial
[40:21]
conformance with the preliminary plat
[40:24]
and recommends approval with the
[40:26]
planning and zoning commission findings
[40:28]
of fact and decision. The property is
[40:30]
located north of East Center Street and
[40:33]
southeast of Vista Drive and will be
[40:35]
known as the Ridges at High Terrace
[40:37]
Division 2.
[40:41]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[40:42]
>> yes. Move to approve agenda item number
[40:44]
13, final plot application for the
[40:46]
ridges at High Terrace Division 2.
[40:49]
>> Thank you.
[40:50]
>> Second.
[40:51]
>> Okay. Was that Mangum?
[40:53]
>> Yes.
[40:53]
>> Okay. All right. We have a first from
[40:56]
Councilwoman Swanson, a second from
[40:58]
Councilman Mangum. Aubriana, please call
[41:00]
the role.
[41:01]
>> Swanson?
[41:02]
>> Yes.
[41:02]
>> Mangum?
[41:03]
>> Yes.
[41:03]
>> Bates?
[41:04]
>> Yes.
[41:04]
>> Pollson?
[41:05]
>> Yes.
[41:05]
>> Soldfield?
[41:06]
>> Yes.
[41:08]
Agenda item 14, grant application, US
[41:11]
Department of Housing and Urban
[41:13]
Development, FY26 lead hazard reduction
[41:17]
program. Council may wish to approve a
[41:19]
grant application for the US Department
[41:22]
of Housing and Urban Development FY26
[41:26]
lead hazard reduction grant program for
[41:28]
a total project cost of 3,762,724
[41:35]
and is awarded if awarded authorized the
[41:38]
mayor signature on all pertinent
[41:40]
documents subject to legal department
[41:43]
review. The total grant funding would be
[41:45]
3,489,692
[41:49]
and it requires a 10% match which totals
[41:52]
273,032
[41:55]
to be funded by the community
[41:57]
development block grant.
[41:59]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[42:00]
>> yes.
[42:01]
>> I'd like to hear from staff on the
[42:03]
significance of this program um that
[42:06]
it's played thus far on our community.
[42:14]
Good evening, mayor, members of the city
[42:15]
council. Christine How, grants manager
[42:17]
with the city of Pocutello. Um, so the
[42:19]
city has been fortunate to receive the
[42:21]
lead hazard reduction grant in uh two
[42:24]
funding cycles through HUD through FY 17
[42:26]
and FY21. Um, our latest grant, the FY21
[42:30]
one, is in closeout right now. So, a lot
[42:32]
of the data is fresh in my mind as I'm
[42:34]
completing that closeout report. Um
[42:37]
through that program, we were able to
[42:38]
fund about $2.7 million worth of um
[42:42]
investment into our community through um
[42:44]
property rehab work, specifically
[42:46]
mitigating leadbased paint hazards, and
[42:48]
then also doing what we call healthy
[42:50]
home supplemental funding work, which is
[42:52]
where we address home health hazards
[42:54]
such as out of code electrical, um
[42:56]
weatherization issues by replacing
[42:58]
windows, remediating mold, asbestous,
[43:00]
radon, all those kind of concerns in
[43:03]
those homes. Um so through their latest
[43:05]
grant we were able to help uh 48 units
[43:08]
and that included 28 single family
[43:10]
residences and the remaining were rental
[43:13]
units. So um they see a lot of return in
[43:16]
investment there where you know families
[43:18]
as they're able to live in the home um
[43:21]
it can protect those children under six
[43:22]
from the base paint hazards. And
[43:24]
[clears throat] then with our rentals
[43:25]
where there's even greater turnover of
[43:27]
residents typically, um it makes sure
[43:29]
that those families moving in there,
[43:31]
those kids are safe and they're living
[43:32]
in good conditions. Um so through this
[43:35]
grant, we're hoping to help 75 homes.
[43:37]
That's our plan for the four-year period
[43:39]
of performance. Um we invest roughly
[43:42]
around 20,000 in the lead work and
[43:45]
between um 10 to 20,000 in the healthy
[43:48]
homes work typically. Uh but sometimes
[43:50]
it's even greater than that. could be
[43:52]
30,000 worth of of work or more just
[43:54]
because of the hazards that are in those
[43:55]
homes. Um, it allows us to retain our
[43:58]
older housing stock and keep it
[44:00]
affordable for our low and moderate
[44:01]
income residents. Um, and sometimes
[44:03]
folks are shocked to learn of what those
[44:05]
income categories look like. Um, so
[44:07]
roughly for a family of four,
[44:09]
[clears throat] uh, four or five, you
[44:10]
could be earning about 80,000 per year
[44:12]
and still qualify for the program. So,
[44:14]
um, sometimes we say low-inccome, but
[44:16]
it's really it's a lot of our our middle
[44:18]
class and and working, um, professionals
[44:20]
here in the city. And so, um, as if we
[44:23]
get the grant, I'd encourage folks to
[44:24]
look into the program and, um, we can
[44:26]
also leverage our CDBG dollars to really
[44:28]
stretch it further with just that 10%
[44:30]
match. So, it's a huge investment for us
[44:33]
[clears throat] and it's been a great
[44:34]
program.
[44:35]
>> Thank you.
[44:36]
Thanks.
[44:39]
>> With that, Mr. Mayor, I would move that
[44:42]
we approve grant application
[44:46]
US Department of Housing and Urban
[44:48]
Development
[44:49]
uh as a lead hazard reduction program as
[44:54]
outlined in agenda item 14.
[44:57]
>> Second.
[44:58]
>> Okay. Thank you. We have a first from
[45:00]
Councilman Mangum and a second from
[45:02]
Councilman Pollson. And before we call
[45:05]
the role, I'm just want to say I I'm
[45:08]
proud of our staff for putting these
[45:10]
together. And we talk about affordable
[45:12]
housing a lot in the community. And I
[45:15]
think what people often forget is the
[45:17]
existing older, smaller homes in
[45:20]
Pocutello. That really is our affordable
[45:23]
housing stock in many ways. And with
[45:26]
what our CDBG staff is doing and some of
[45:29]
our nonprofit partners, we've really got
[45:32]
it going on in Pocutello um with
[45:34]
programs that preserve the existing
[45:37]
housing stock for low-income residents.
[45:40]
So, I just want to say that just because
[45:42]
as I said that a lot of people do think
[45:44]
that affordable housing is just
[45:46]
constructing new, but we've got to
[45:49]
preserve the housing stock we have and I
[45:51]
think we do a really good job at that.
[45:53]
So with that, A Brianna, if you'd call
[45:55]
the role.
[45:58]
>> Yes.
[46:00]
>> Bates,
[46:01]
>> yes.
[46:01]
>> Satderfield,
[46:02]
>> yes.
[46:03]
>> Swanson,
[46:03]
>> yes.
[46:05]
>> Agenda item 15, grant application, US
[46:09]
Department of Justice, FY26, Bridging
[46:12]
Immigration Related Deficits Experience
[46:15]
Nationwide Program, Round Two. Council
[46:18]
may wish to approve a grant application
[46:21]
for the US DOJ FY26
[46:25]
Bridging Immigration Related Deficits
[46:27]
Experience Nationwide Program Round Two
[46:30]
for Pocutello Police Department radio
[46:32]
and communications for the the purpose
[46:35]
of radio and communication equipment
[46:38]
with a total project cost of 2,225,237.
[46:44]
and if awarded, authorize the mayor's
[46:47]
signature on all pertinent documents
[46:49]
subject to legal department review. And
[46:52]
I believe we did want staff to come up
[46:54]
and give us a summary.
[47:01]
» Thank you, mayor, members of the city
[47:03]
council. Christine How grants manager.
[47:05]
Um, as noted in the agenda item, this
[47:07]
application is primarily for radio and
[47:09]
communications equipment for the police
[47:10]
department. Um, as these grant
[47:12]
opportunities arise, uh, different
[47:14]
departments will reach out to see if
[47:16]
there's a chance for us to apply. And,
[47:17]
uh, the police department forwarded this
[47:19]
one to me in the hopes of getting this
[47:21]
to replace outdated equipment that they
[47:24]
utilize for their portable radios, their
[47:26]
body cams, the accompanying software,
[47:28]
and um, that same installation in the
[47:31]
vehicles. And so this program afforded
[47:33]
us with an opportunity to apply to um u
[47:39]
get those technology um upgrades. So,
[47:41]
we're applying under the the grant
[47:43]
category of technology and equipment um
[47:45]
and meeting some of the objectives of
[47:47]
DOJ to um help with continued
[47:50]
investigations and the work that the
[47:52]
police department does on um in
[47:54]
collaboration with Homeland Security
[47:55]
task forces, our regional groups, our
[47:58]
regional task forces um primarily to
[48:00]
address um you know their ability to
[48:02]
conduct their work with you know
[48:04]
prosecuting, detaining criminals, uh
[48:06]
drug trafficking, things that our street
[48:08]
crimes and narcotics units currently do.
[48:10]
So, um, you know, we're [clears throat]
[48:12]
always on the lookout for potential
[48:14]
grants to support, um, needs for
[48:16]
departments. Uh, so in this case, this
[48:19]
is a no match grant that would fund all
[48:20]
that equipment purchase, um, so that we
[48:22]
wouldn't have to pull it out of either
[48:24]
department specific lines or general
[48:26]
fund. So,
[48:28]
>> have a question. So, the it mentions
[48:30]
immigration here. In what way does are
[48:33]
we beholden to anything related to
[48:36]
immigration or immigration enforcement
[48:38]
by taking this using this grant if we
[48:42]
get it?
[48:43]
>> No, it wouldn't um adjust any current
[48:45]
operations by the police department. So
[48:48]
where they would already collaborate or
[48:50]
work with those agencies that do
[48:52]
immigration related work, it wouldn't
[48:53]
change anything in that way. Um there
[48:55]
are other provisions in the grant where
[48:57]
you can do more specific things uh
[49:00]
related to immigration enforcement such
[49:01]
as creating detention facilities, but
[49:04]
we're not applying under that. Um so we
[49:06]
already participate in support groups
[49:09]
that deal with uh more regional issues
[49:11]
or things of that nature and so it
[49:13]
wouldn't change any current operations
[49:15]
that the police department does. Um, and
[49:17]
we did get letters of support from our
[49:19]
collaborating agencies that we work with
[49:21]
already on those specific task forces
[49:23]
and for those specific types of um, you
[49:26]
know, encounters. So, it wouldn't change
[49:28]
any current operations or require us to
[49:31]
increase anything or or make changes to
[49:33]
that.
[49:34]
>> Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.
[49:36]
>> Yes.
[49:36]
>> Uh, Christine, this may be a question
[49:40]
better for the police department. I'm
[49:41]
just wondering, so we've got 110 radios,
[49:43]
110 body cameras, and 60 uh incar mobile
[49:47]
units. I just want to make sure, would
[49:49]
this grant
[49:51]
uh replace all equipment, and is there
[49:54]
any additional equipment that would be
[49:56]
coming through this grant or is it just
[49:58]
replacing aging equipment?
[50:00]
>> Sure, I'll let the chief respond to
[50:02]
that.
[50:02]
>> Uh Chief Shyoke Police, the answer is
[50:04]
yes. It would it would replace uh
[50:07]
everything that we need and including 5
[50:09]
years of service for the back-end client
[50:12]
for for the the new equipment.
[50:16]
>> So that's talking about the software.
[50:18]
>> Correct.
[50:19]
>> And I was wondering I just wanted to
[50:21]
make sure with Idaho moving with the
[50:24]
nextG 911
[50:26]
>> does this would these systems be
[50:28]
affected by that in any way or is this
[50:30]
separate? No, the nextG 911 stuff is
[50:33]
more dispatch related and dispatch
[50:35]
equipment and that you generally taken
[50:36]
care of by the 911 funds. Uh the
[50:40]
portable radios from talking with Adam
[50:42]
McKini, we cannot use 911 funds for
[50:44]
that. So this grant would would be
[50:47]
targeted for that needed equipment for
[50:50]
all all of our patrol vehicles, all of
[50:52]
our officers, our ordinance officers, um
[50:55]
and uh the new body cameras.
[50:58]
>> Okay. Yeah.
[50:59]
>> Perfect. Thank you.
[51:03]
>> One more question probably for
[51:04]
Christine.
[51:06]
>> What would what would be the timeline of
[51:08]
this? Do you know when we might if we
[51:11]
win the grant when we might receive
[51:13]
those monies? What budget year that
[51:14]
would fall in?
[51:14]
>> Sure. They're doing this on a rolling
[51:16]
kind of a rolling basis, which is why
[51:18]
this is round two. Um so they're
[51:20]
anticipating awards within a month of
[51:22]
the application submission and then uh
[51:25]
we would enter into a grant agreement
[51:26]
and um execute everything. I I put in a
[51:30]
approximate three-year period of
[51:31]
performance to account for that. Um, you
[51:34]
know, signing the contracts, getting out
[51:36]
for the equipment, getting that all on
[51:38]
board and installed, and then any
[51:40]
follow-up kind of troubleshooting or
[51:42]
training. Um, but we would be able to
[51:44]
essentially as soon as we have that
[51:45]
grant agreement signed, um, go out to
[51:47]
bid or, you know, go through the proper
[51:49]
procurement. Um, we received an estimate
[51:51]
which was the basis for this. So, we're
[51:54]
hoping to do the work as close to that
[51:56]
estimate as possible so the price
[51:57]
doesn't increase. Um, but I think
[51:59]
Chief's ready to to go as soon as we
[52:01]
have the funding approved by the agency.
[52:03]
>> Okay. So, that could be fiscal year 27.
[52:06]
>> Correct.
[52:07]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[52:09]
>> Okay. Any other questions?
[52:12]
Okay. I would entertain a motion,
[52:15]
>> Mr. Mayor.
[52:16]
>> Yes. I would move to approve uh the
[52:19]
grant application outlined in agenda
[52:20]
item number 15 and authorize the mayor's
[52:23]
signature on all pertinent documents
[52:25]
subject to legal department review.
[52:27]
>> Second.
[52:28]
>> Thank you. We have a first from
[52:30]
Councilman Bates and a second from
[52:32]
Councilwoman Swanson. Aubriana, please
[52:35]
call the role.
[52:36]
>> Bates,
[52:36]
>> yes.
[52:37]
>> Swanson,
[52:38]
>> yes.
[52:38]
>> Mangum,
[52:39]
>> yes.
[52:39]
>> Pollson,
[52:40]
>> yes.
[52:41]
>> Sville,
[52:41]
>> yes.
[52:43]
Agenda item 16, collective bargaining
[52:46]
agreement police union. Council may wish
[52:49]
to approve adoption of the fiscal year
[52:51]
2027 to 2030 collective bargaining
[52:55]
agreement for the Fraternal Order of
[52:57]
Police Port of Valley Fraternal Order of
[53:00]
Police Local Lodge number 13 and
[53:03]
authorize the mayor signature on all
[53:05]
pertinent documents subject to legal
[53:07]
department review.
[53:10]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[53:11]
>> yes. I would move to approve the
[53:13]
collective bargaining agreement for the
[53:14]
police union as outlined in agenda item
[53:17]
16.
[53:18]
>> Second.
[53:19]
>> Okay. Thank you. We have a first from
[53:20]
Councilman Mangum and a second from
[53:22]
Councilwoman Swanson. Aana, please call
[53:25]
the role.
[53:26]
>> Yes.
[53:26]
>> Swanson.
[53:27]
>> Yes.
[53:32]
Agenda item 17, proposal acceptance
[53:35]
contract award for the title 17 rewrite
[53:39]
town planning and urban design
[53:41]
collaborative LLC. Council may wish to
[53:44]
approve the following requests for the
[53:46]
title 17 zoning code rewrite and
[53:49]
authorize the mayor signature on all
[53:51]
pertinent documents subject to legal
[53:54]
department review. A accept the highest
[53:57]
rated proposal for the title 17 zoning
[54:00]
code rewrite RFP to Town Planning and
[54:03]
Urban Design Collaborative LLC. And if
[54:07]
approved, B authorize a contract between
[54:10]
the city of Pocutello and Town Planning
[54:12]
and Urban Design Collaborative LLC for
[54:15]
the Title 17 zoning code rewrite. The
[54:19]
city of Pocutello conducted a request
[54:21]
for proposals for the rewrite of the
[54:23]
title 17 zoning code and received seven
[54:27]
responsive and responsible proposals.
[54:30]
Town Planning and Urban Design
[54:31]
Collaborative LLC was deemed as the
[54:34]
highest qualified.
[54:37]
>> Mr. Mayor, I have some questions. Yes.
[54:41]
[clears throat]
[54:44]
» Mayor, council members. Becky Bab,
[54:46]
planning manager.
[54:47]
>> Hi, Becky. Hi.
[54:49]
>> Um,
[54:50]
this is a big deal.
[54:52]
>> This is a very, very big deal.
[54:53]
>> A lot included in this.
[54:55]
>> Yes, this is
[54:56]
>> Do you mind? Yeah, I'm sorry, but do you
[54:58]
mind just explaining the scope of this
[55:00]
project?
[55:01]
>> Not at all. So when we redid our
[55:03]
comprehensive plan, one of the main
[55:05]
components that we identified is that
[55:07]
our zoning code is not only
[55:08]
extraordinarily out ofd, but it's been
[55:10]
patched and patched and repatched so
[55:13]
many times that it is really difficult
[55:17]
in a lot of ways for staff to enforce,
[55:20]
to interpret. We often um will have to
[55:24]
make adjustments through the years as
[55:26]
different things happen, whether those
[55:27]
are um like the preemptive legislature
[55:29]
from the state this year or we identify
[55:31]
something that's new that we need to
[55:33]
address like wireless communication
[55:34]
facilities a few years ago. And so one
[55:36]
of the main things that we were looking
[55:38]
at doing is updating that entire zoning
[55:41]
code. Um it's a very very large task.
[55:46]
Um, your agenda tonight I think
[55:49]
demonstrates how busy our office
[55:51]
currently is. We have neither the staff
[55:54]
nor the capacity to really manage this
[55:57]
um, exclusively by ourselves. We also
[55:59]
really wanted to elicit some expertise
[56:01]
related to character-based or form-based
[56:04]
code which is a type of code that goes
[56:06]
away from a very simple uklidian. It's
[56:09]
this or nothing and shifts to a more
[56:12]
each um area will have a unique
[56:14]
character or style or block that's more
[56:17]
fitting to their neighborhood and and
[56:18]
the zone is designed to to match that
[56:20]
character essentially. And so um this
[56:24]
year we as we were doing our budget
[56:26]
process included this as an item in our
[56:28]
budget that we wanted to fund and uh
[56:32]
produced uh procured the RFP to solicit
[56:35]
the services. We received seven
[56:37]
proposals which is quite a lot. We did
[56:40]
advertise both at the state planning
[56:42]
level and the national planning level
[56:44]
for um consultants to assist us. Uh
[56:48]
ultimately we interviewed two and
[56:50]
awarded would like to award with your
[56:53]
approval to the town planning and urban
[56:56]
design collaborative which um is very a
[56:59]
very very successful firm that
[57:01]
essentially wrote the book on form-based
[57:04]
code and so will really provide that
[57:07]
level of expertise that we need to shift
[57:09]
from one type of code fully into
[57:11]
another.
[57:13]
>> Thank you. Um, [clears throat]
[57:16]
just from the outset, I'll just state
[57:18]
I'm I think what I'm wary of is it's
[57:21]
more than just updating our zoning. This
[57:25]
is really, I would say, a complete
[57:28]
change in philosophy from how our zoning
[57:30]
is currently. Would you disagree with
[57:32]
that?
[57:33]
>> No. It absolutely is a full shift from a
[57:36]
very specific legal type uklitian code
[57:40]
to a very graphicbased
[57:43]
designbased code that will address the
[57:46]
character of our community in a in a
[57:48]
very it's a progressive type of code um
[57:51]
and will really identify lots of places
[57:54]
in our community that are are unique.
[57:57]
So, uh, one of my questions in the, um,
[58:01]
there was an addendum to the RFP with
[58:03]
some questions from those that
[58:04]
submitted.
[58:06]
>> Several questions were asking if we were
[58:08]
open to alternatives to a form-based
[58:10]
approach, if we were committed to fully
[58:13]
utilizing a smart code framework. Uh,
[58:17]
one of our responses was that we were
[58:19]
open to like a hybrid approach, uh, but
[58:23]
it had to be a smart code format.
[58:26]
I don't know what a smart code format
[58:28]
is. Do you mind explaining that?
[58:29]
>> No, not at all. Smart code is that more
[58:32]
uh graphic design based,
[58:34]
character-based. The form and type of
[58:36]
each area will dictate what the zoning
[58:39]
is. So, say you have an area like the
[58:42]
Alama neighborhood, originally part of
[58:44]
the Alama town site. Those lots are very
[58:46]
narrow and very long. So, then compare
[58:48]
that to the types of subdivisions that
[58:50]
we get now in say north of the
[58:52]
Satderfield area. Those lots are very
[58:54]
large. they are on culde-sacs. So those
[58:57]
two areas would have different setbacks.
[58:59]
They would have different depths for the standard lots. They'd have
[59:03]
different if you have um accessory
[59:06]
structures. In the Alama neighborhood,
[59:08]
you often don't have very much room to
[59:10]
meet a sideyard setback. You don't have
[59:12]
10 feet. Um in some of these other
[59:15]
neighborhoods, say south of town in the
[59:17]
um Johnny Creek area, you have much
[59:19]
larger lots. Those are very different
[59:21]
styles. Uh, a question that Councilwoman
[59:23]
Swanson had asked had been about
[59:24]
architectural styling. Can we This will
[59:27]
look at that sort of in a way. It won't
[59:29]
say prohibit mid-century modern, but it
[59:32]
will say here's the type of of
[59:35]
development that we have in that area
[59:37]
and here's how we'd like that to
[59:38]
continue. So, it is it is a very large
[59:40]
shift, which is also why we wanted some
[59:43]
assistance with that shifting from a
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very a chart with a graph. If you're
[59:50]
this, it's this and nothing else.
[59:52]
>> Okay. Um,
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how much I don't remember
[1:00:00]
uh council ever really like I don't
[1:00:02]
remember much discussion before this RFP
[1:00:04]
was ever put out about uh us pursuing
[1:00:09]
this change. I know I've heard in
[1:00:10]
conversations, so we're going to rewrite
[1:00:12]
code 17. I believe back in April, we had
[1:00:15]
a work session where we talked about the
[1:00:17]
comprehensive plan and you mentioned
[1:00:19]
there that we were going to rewrite
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Title 17, but I guess I'm concerned that
[1:00:25]
this is um
[1:00:28]
this RFP really feels like this is a policy decision and I I am
[1:00:34]
concerned that council
[1:00:37]
wasn't given the opportunity to really
[1:00:40]
weigh in on what is a major policy
[1:00:42]
change of the city.
[1:00:44]
>> Yeah, it is um one of the main goals of
[1:00:47]
the comprehensive plan 20 240. So in
[1:00:49]
that case um that's really when
[1:00:52]
essentially that was discussed is is
[1:00:55]
moving forward with a more
[1:00:56]
character-based formbbased po code as
[1:00:58]
part of the comp plan 2040 our valley
[1:01:01]
our vision.
[1:01:03]
>> Okay.
[1:01:05]
And I don't want to make us stay here
[1:01:07]
longer than we have to so I'll move
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along.
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>> I'll stay here as long as you'd like.
[1:01:11]
We're we're fine.
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>> Um we could go a long time. Um I do want
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to ask about um
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there's mention of a steering committee.
[1:01:23]
Yes.
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>> In this process.
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>> Yes.
[1:01:25]
>> Who's going to be a part of that
[1:01:26]
steering committee? Do we already have
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an idea?
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>> We don't have
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>> I'm sorry. And how is council going to
[1:01:33]
be involved in this process moving
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forward?
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>> Absolutely. Sorry to interrupt your
[1:01:38]
question. Uh we have not set the
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steering committee yet. Likely the way
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that the steering committee will work
[1:01:44]
will it will be very small so that we
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don't have if you have too many decision
[1:01:48]
makers at the table it gets to be very
[1:01:50]
difficult. But the engagement process
[1:01:53]
will be very very large and broad and
[1:01:56]
take quite a bit of time. That's why
[1:01:57]
this particular process is likely going
[1:02:00]
to take the full 18 months of their
[1:02:02]
schedule. Um, the steering committee I
[1:02:06]
think has the potential to have a
[1:02:08]
council member on it. Um, I would be a
[1:02:11]
little wary with legal counsel of how
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many council people we would put on that
[1:02:15]
steering committee just to be very
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cautious regarding open meeting laws and
[1:02:19]
potentially a member of the planning and
[1:02:20]
zoning committee. Um, and then we would
[1:02:23]
have community committees. We'll have
[1:02:24]
stakeholder groups. Um the consultant
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will be here for several days as they
[1:02:29]
host what they call a koda palooa so
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that they are here have an office where
[1:02:35]
they do a lot of engagement with the
[1:02:37]
community and that will include daily
[1:02:40]
meetings with every stakeholder group we
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can think of as well as time for
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walk-ins and public meetings as well. So
[1:02:46]
I'm happy to take your direction on how
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you'd like that steering committee to
[1:02:49]
look. Um,
[1:02:52]
my only request would be that it not be
[1:02:55]
more than five to eight people because
[1:02:57]
then it gets to be really difficult to
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manage
[1:03:01]
>> decision-m.
[1:03:02]
>> Totally understood. I just,
[1:03:05]
>> you know, this isn't accusatory, but I
[1:03:08]
do feel like council has been uh
[1:03:12]
not probably not purposely, but we've
[1:03:14]
been circumvented in my opinion a little
[1:03:16]
bit through this process. So I would at
[1:03:17]
least say I think council needs to be
[1:03:19]
involved in that steering committee
[1:03:20]
where this is this is a legislative
[1:03:22]
function. This is policy of the city
[1:03:24]
>> and it will have to come before you in
[1:03:27]
multiple stages throughout the process
[1:03:29]
for your review.
[1:03:30]
>> Yeah. Um there was just a couple things
[1:03:33]
in the RFP or one thing I really wanted
[1:03:35]
to ask ask about task five
[1:03:39]
um deliverables. there is uh
[1:03:43]
a financial feasibility assessment and I
[1:03:46]
just wondered I wasn't sure what that
[1:03:48]
was. If you could give me a little uh
[1:03:50]
yeah defining of that.
[1:03:52]
>> I think that's that's primarily the cost
[1:03:54]
of us enforcing how how how
[1:03:56]
far into the weeds do we want to get? Um
[1:04:00]
and that is just it's a it's primarily a
[1:04:02]
staff cost and a code enforcement cost
[1:04:04]
long term. Um, the cost of the title 17
[1:04:07]
rewrite is included in the proposal. Uh,
[1:04:10]
and I know that you have a question
[1:04:13]
about about that cost and some of the
[1:04:15]
hourly charges versus the overall scope.
[1:04:17]
So, I'll let you ask those as well.
[1:04:19]
>> Okay. Yeah. real quick just before that
[1:04:23]
just my general concern with this I I'm
[1:04:25]
worried about how moving to this uh
[1:04:29]
style of code I mean a use code ukitian
[1:04:32]
code we've used for ever essentially
[1:04:35]
>> so this is for developers for
[1:04:38]
homebuilders
[1:04:39]
uh entrepreneurs in town this is a
[1:04:41]
completely new approach so will this uh
[1:04:47]
consultant
[1:04:48]
work through and as part of the scope of this project making sure that
[1:04:52]
we're not going [snorts] to hinder
[1:04:55]
development and make it harder to
[1:04:58]
develop.
[1:04:59]
>> Absolutely. So this particular
[1:05:00]
consultant um they
[1:05:04]
have they the one of the primary
[1:05:06]
partners wrote the book on smart code.
[1:05:08]
He is an expert in code writing itself
[1:05:12]
and um the the remaining members of that
[1:05:15]
firm really are very development
[1:05:16]
friendly. Ultimately, the goal here is
[1:05:19]
to make our code accessible,
[1:05:22]
understandable, easy for people to
[1:05:25]
utilize. You can there will be a lot of
[1:05:27]
graphic design and pictures included
[1:05:29]
where this is essentially what what
[1:05:31]
we're looking for. It's in a lot of ways
[1:05:34]
meant to make those things simpler and
[1:05:37]
very obvious upfront what it will take
[1:05:39]
to do anything related to property
[1:05:42]
development on your property.
[1:05:44]
>> Okay. So yes, we and they also um we did
[1:05:47]
ask them to include some hourly rates at
[1:05:49]
the end of this contract because through
[1:05:52]
the process we will all be learning
[1:05:53]
about um the changes that we're making,
[1:05:56]
what we're looking to ultimately achieve
[1:05:59]
with the code, the directions that we
[1:06:01]
want to go and therefore we'll need some
[1:06:03]
guidance uh afterwards after
[1:06:07]
implementation. and just being unaware
[1:06:10]
at this point of what that could look
[1:06:12]
like. Uh we asked them to include an
[1:06:14]
hourly rate so that in a future budget
[1:06:16]
cycle if we still feel like we could use
[1:06:18]
their services um that we could extend
[1:06:21]
that contract to include those hourly
[1:06:23]
rates so that we can get the training
[1:06:24]
that we need to make sure we're
[1:06:25]
implementing it correctly.
[1:06:27]
>> Okay. Um I'm sorry if anybody else has
[1:06:30]
questions, but I wanted to ask about you
[1:06:32]
mentioned the hourly rate. So the it has
[1:06:36]
a fee not to exceed $199,995.
[1:06:40]
But then it also says plus hourly tasks
[1:06:42]
for or hourly rate which I believe I saw
[1:06:46]
can be up to like 300 over $300 an hour.
[1:06:49]
So hourly rate for tasks 6.2 and 7.3. I
[1:06:53]
think 7.3 was like six months of
[1:06:56]
implementation.
[1:06:58]
Is there any control in this contract on
[1:07:01]
those costs?
[1:07:04]
Well, their hourly rates are part of
[1:07:05]
their scope and so the the control will
[1:07:07]
be how much we utilize them afterwards.
[1:07:11]
Um,
[1:07:13]
it is
[1:07:15]
somewhat unknown. Uh, it would all have
[1:07:17]
to be approved at a future budget cycle
[1:07:19]
because it's part of our professional
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services line item budget and so it
[1:07:24]
would definitely if we don't have that
[1:07:26]
funding available to us, we we won't be
[1:07:28]
able to use it. Um we did ask them to
[1:07:30]
include that so that if we get to the
[1:07:33]
end of this process and we still feel
[1:07:34]
like we need some time with them to
[1:07:37]
understand say something very obscure
[1:07:39]
comes up and we really want to
[1:07:41]
understand um and get their opinion on
[1:07:43]
how we should uh process a certain type
[1:07:46]
of application um that we would have
[1:07:48]
that potential. Uh that could certainly
[1:07:52]
be um controlled just by how many hours
[1:07:56]
that we use and would definitely be part
[1:07:59]
of our our budget ask likely next budget
[1:08:01]
cycle so that we would know exactly what
[1:08:04]
our budget was relating to professional
[1:08:05]
services and how much time we would have
[1:08:08]
available to use and and we'll know
[1:08:10]
better at that time how much we'll need
[1:08:11]
it. I think we'll have so much training
[1:08:13]
through the process that we'll we
[1:08:15]
[clears throat] should be well set. It's
[1:08:17]
just impossible to anticipate
[1:08:20]
how
[1:08:22]
we call them squirrels in our office.
[1:08:24]
Something will come up that is just a
[1:08:26]
little bit unique and and how would we
[1:08:29]
apply that and having the option to get
[1:08:31]
that professional opinion is part of
[1:08:33]
that.
[1:08:34]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[1:08:35]
>> I'd like to interject and ask a couple
[1:08:37]
of questions of Council Member Bates. Um
[1:08:41]
I [clears throat] understand your
[1:08:42]
concerns. Um,
[1:08:45]
I'm looking at my notes and we've been
[1:08:47]
talking about this rewrite since 2024.
[1:08:52]
And so, a lot of the council members
[1:08:53]
weren't on the council back then. And
[1:08:55]
so, my question is, is there a a process
[1:08:58]
or something that you would like to take
[1:09:00]
or an extended period that you'd like to
[1:09:02]
have this represented or redised
[1:09:05]
>> before we move into that or
[1:09:07]
>> you know, I think part of it I think it
[1:09:09]
should be a process change moving
[1:09:12]
forward. I don't think an RFP of of this
[1:09:16]
uh
[1:09:18]
what's the right word uh impact size uh
[1:09:22]
it's not simply the cost of it this is a
[1:09:24]
major change this is not just updating
[1:09:29]
outdated code this is totally changing
[1:09:32]
our philosophy of how we're going to
[1:09:33]
zone the city moving forward and I'm not
[1:09:36]
saying I'm against that but I think
[1:09:38]
before an RFP of this complexity is put
[1:09:41]
out council should give should see it
[1:09:46]
and and and put express permission for
[1:09:49]
it to go forward. Uh I haven't even I
[1:09:53]
haven't had time to really go through
[1:09:54]
the RFP completely. Um one thing that I
[1:10:00]
think would be beneficial in the future
[1:10:02]
is when we have a contract
[1:10:04]
come forward that is was part of an RFP.
[1:10:07]
I think the RFP should be included in
[1:10:09]
the in the packet. I had to go find the
[1:10:11]
RFP on our on our bid page on the
[1:10:14]
website. But one question I have about
[1:10:16]
that, Becky, it says in the RFP that
[1:10:20]
this RFP as well as the successful
[1:10:22]
respondents proposal will become part of
[1:10:24]
the contract. Is that true or is what's
[1:10:28]
only in the packet the contract?
[1:10:30]
>> I think those are appendixes to the
[1:10:32]
contract um and likely should have been
[1:10:34]
included in the attachments. Okay.
[1:10:36]
>> That we submitted to Connie for for
[1:10:37]
publication.
[1:10:38]
>> Yeah. And I mean, no uh no blame here. I
[1:10:41]
just think that's uh it'd be beneficial
[1:10:44]
to make sure we have all of it. There
[1:10:46]
was just a couple or one contract
[1:10:49]
question I had and I think this was
[1:10:51]
probably for Jared. I thought it was
[1:10:53]
something that um
[1:10:56]
was uh
[1:10:59]
it just raised some questions for me and
[1:11:02]
that is in section
[1:11:04]
L.1
[1:11:07]
uh miscellaneous provisions and I'm sure
[1:11:09]
this is mostly a boilerplate agreement
[1:11:11]
that they use with everybody but it says
[1:11:12]
this agreement shall be governed by the
[1:11:15]
law of the state of Tennessee and the
[1:11:16]
United States of America which is where
[1:11:18]
they're located but I some questions about if that's
[1:11:24]
appropriate as an Idaho municipality to
[1:11:26]
have a contract that's governed by state
[1:11:29]
of Tennessee law and [clears throat] if
[1:11:32]
that's something we should amend.
[1:11:34]
>> So those provisions are found in most
[1:11:37]
contracts we do and we almost
[1:11:38]
universally suggest as an edit that it
[1:11:41]
be changed to the state of Idaho. Okay.
[1:11:42]
>> I wasn't the one that reviewed this but
[1:11:44]
usually what happens is we suggest that
[1:11:46]
edit if they fight us on it. We have
[1:11:48]
Idaho code that allows the venue to be
[1:11:50]
in the municipality because we are a
[1:11:52]
governmental entity. I don't know if
[1:11:53]
that happened in this case, but we can
[1:11:54]
certainly pursue that edit before this
[1:11:56]
is executed by the mayor if the council
[1:11:58]
is willing to approve it, but that's a
[1:11:59]
great catch. We we uh universally at
[1:12:02]
least attempt to change that to Idaho,
[1:12:04]
so there's no ambiguity in that clause
[1:12:05]
right there.
[1:12:06]
>> Yeah. Okay. And again, I don't um
[1:12:11]
I'll vote in favor of the contract. I
[1:12:13]
have some concerns about costs getting
[1:12:16]
out of hand, but I trust staff to help
[1:12:18]
us keep those in check. I think more
[1:12:22]
this isn't the first time that something
[1:12:25]
like this I feel like has come up and
[1:12:26]
it's the time I feel like I'm ready to
[1:12:28]
address it but I you know sometimes RFPs
[1:12:31]
get put out that are really impactful
[1:12:34]
and I just feel like uh council should
[1:12:37]
really give express consent to all the
[1:12:40]
language of the RFP before it before it
[1:12:43]
gets out. I understand we have the
[1:12:46]
ability to say no tonight. We have
[1:12:48]
ultimate control over it, but it would
[1:12:50]
make more sense for us to be more
[1:12:52]
involved at the beginning of the RFP
[1:12:55]
than at the very end.
[1:12:57]
>> Yeah. And I I think that's a point well
[1:12:59]
taken. And on future agendas, you know,
[1:13:02]
I I can certainly check on that. It is
[1:13:05]
true there's a lot of language in the
[1:13:08]
RFP and when it's fun a fundamental
[1:13:10]
change on how we're looking at something
[1:13:13]
like title 17. So I think less point
[1:13:17]
well taken I think you know moving
[1:13:19]
forward having the RFP they are pretty
[1:13:23]
powerful there and they're guiding
[1:13:25]
things a certain way that maybe should
[1:13:27]
be a little bit more legislative.
[1:13:29]
>> Yeah. And so but but with that I don't
[1:13:33]
like on the current with the table
[1:13:34]
Councilman Bates if we want more time
[1:13:37]
and you know defer the approval to a
[1:13:40]
future agenda we we could do that or
[1:13:43]
>> may I ask a clarifying question just
[1:13:45]
about the RFPs because we do um we have
[1:13:48]
brought this to work session our zoning
[1:13:50]
code rewrite and we also brought it up
[1:13:52]
in budget um hearings and we also
[1:13:55]
brought it up in the comp plan um and so
[1:13:59]
is your request that council we bring
[1:14:02]
the actual RFP document to council to
[1:14:04]
review before we publish it. That would
[1:14:07]
be my request because to me this is the
[1:14:09]
actual policy like we can we can talk
[1:14:12]
somewhat and I feel like oftentimes it
[1:14:14]
is kind of in general generalities when
[1:14:16]
we talk in uh uh work sessions and you
[1:14:21]
know the comprehensive plan I completely
[1:14:23]
understand but my personal opinion comp
[1:14:26]
plan's not the Bible and you know it's
[1:14:29]
uh it's open to change to what we feel
[1:14:33]
we want to pursue. So to me like what is
[1:14:36]
the actual policy? Well, it's what's in
[1:14:37]
the RFP and what people are going to
[1:14:39]
respond to. And so um and uh like I do
[1:14:44]
have real concerns about the change
[1:14:45]
we're making and and I just want to make
[1:14:47]
sure that that so so I feel like it
[1:14:50]
would have been easier to address some
[1:14:51]
of my concerns and maybe get more
[1:14:53]
information
[1:14:54]
>> before it was published.
[1:14:55]
Yeah. So
[1:14:57]
>> mayor, may I may I follow up with the
[1:14:59]
question to the mayor and council? I I
[1:15:01]
think maybe one of Becky's concerns and
[1:15:03]
staff's concerns quite honestly is
[1:15:04]
knowing what RFPs you would like brought
[1:15:06]
before you before the RFP is published
[1:15:08]
versus what ones you you don't want and
[1:15:10]
it's really hard to create that bright
[1:15:12]
line rule and it's hard for staff to
[1:15:13]
understand that. Is that something you
[1:15:15]
want to give the mayor to the discretion
[1:15:16]
over or how would you like to proceed
[1:15:18]
because as a procedural standpoint
[1:15:19]
that's going to be a question that comes
[1:15:21]
up regularly
[1:15:22]
>> because there are a lot of RFPs that go
[1:15:24]
out.
[1:15:25]
>> Understood. And I think that's
[1:15:26]
completely fair and I think we have to
[1:15:28]
take respon I should take responsibility
[1:15:30]
and that when we talked about this back
[1:15:31]
in April I with some foresight should
[1:15:35]
have thought hey this is a major RFP
[1:15:38]
we're going to put out we should look at
[1:15:40]
that before we put it out and so I
[1:15:43]
completely understand we don't need to
[1:15:45]
look at every single RFQ and RFP that
[1:15:47]
goes out. Um, but yeah, there's big ones
[1:15:51]
that obviously I think we need to look
[1:15:53]
at and I would leave that up to mayor's
[1:15:55]
discretion as well.
[1:15:56]
>> Yeah, and I think I get that, you know,
[1:15:58]
like because when we say every RFP, I
[1:16:01]
probably have the public works staff
[1:16:02]
over there like going cringing.
[1:16:04]
>> I want to see every single one.
[1:16:06]
[laughter]
[1:16:07]
>> But the um
[1:16:09]
>> yeah, things monumental things like um
[1:16:11]
city hall relocation studies and major
[1:16:15]
zoning code changes. I I I think I get
[1:16:19]
the direction and you know if you you
[1:16:22]
know I I could comb that through for
[1:16:25]
sure, you know, screen that through. But
[1:16:27]
yeah, you're right. Every RFP that's
[1:16:30]
going to be an ordeal ordeal. We do have
[1:16:32]
a staff that does a lot of the work and
[1:16:35]
we need to take the big picture and on
[1:16:37]
some of them they are.
[1:16:39]
>> Yeah. Well,
[1:16:41]
>> no disrespect obviously like I
[1:16:44]
understand the immense amount of work
[1:16:45]
that goes into to putting this together.
[1:16:48]
I just have I I have great reverence for
[1:16:50]
the fact that we as elected officials,
[1:16:54]
we are ultimately responsible for the
[1:16:57]
policy and the leg the legislative work
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of the city and I just want to make sure
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we are are a part of that process fully.
[1:17:05]
So,
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Thanks for discussion.
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>> I can make a motion so we can move on.
[1:17:15]
>> I would move that we uh
[1:17:18]
accept the contract award for title 17
[1:17:20]
readright outlined in agenda item number
[1:17:23]
17.
[1:17:24]
Uh oh jeez, I'm butchering this.
[1:17:27]
Authorize mayor signature on all
[1:17:28]
pertinent documents subject to legal
[1:17:30]
department review. So accept a the
[1:17:32]
highest rated proposal and b authorize a
[1:17:35]
contract between the city of Pocutello
[1:17:37]
and Town Planning and Urban Design
[1:17:39]
Collaborative LLC.
[1:17:41]
>> Second.
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>> All right. Thank you. We have a first
[1:17:43]
from Councilman Bates, the second from
[1:17:46]
Councilman Mangum. Aubriana, please call
[1:17:48]
the role.
[1:17:49]
>> Bates,
[1:17:50]
>> yes.
[1:17:50]
>> Mangum,
[1:17:51]
>> yes.
[1:17:52]
>> Sakil,
[1:17:54]
>> yes.
[1:17:56]
Agenda item 18, proposal acceptance
[1:17:59]
contract award for wildfire analysis and
[1:18:02]
assessment due deck. Council may wish to
[1:18:05]
approve the following requests for the
[1:18:07]
wildfire analysis and assessment project
[1:18:10]
and authorize the mayor's signature on
[1:18:12]
all pertinent documents subject to legal
[1:18:14]
department review.
[1:18:17]
C. accept the highest rated proposal for
[1:18:19]
the wildfire analysis and assessment RFP
[1:18:23]
to Due Deck and if approved D authorize
[1:18:26]
a contract between the city of Pocutello
[1:18:28]
and Due Deck in the amount of 54,980
[1:18:32]
for the wildfire analysis and
[1:18:35]
assessment. The city of Pocutello
[1:18:37]
conducted a request for proposals for
[1:18:39]
the completion of a wildfire analysis
[1:18:42]
and assessment of the evaluation
[1:18:44]
committee recommended due as the highest
[1:18:47]
rated proposal. The project will be
[1:18:49]
funded through the community wildfire
[1:18:51]
defense grant awarded to the city.
[1:18:54]
>> Mr. Mayor,
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>> yes.
[1:18:55]
>> I'm not suggesting I make a motion
[1:18:57]
because that's what I know will probably
[1:18:58]
happen next. But can we for
[1:19:00]
clarification of the record agree that C
[1:19:02]
and D should probably read A and B? did.
[1:19:04]
Yeah. I just that sounded weird when
[1:19:06]
>> So, so that there's no misconception
[1:19:08]
that there is a missing A and B.
[1:19:10]
>> Yeah. So, so [clears throat] correct the
[1:19:12]
agenda to say rather than C A and then
[1:19:15]
rather than DB.
[1:19:17]
>> Thank you.
[1:19:17]
Mr.
[1:19:19]
>> Mr. Mayor.
[1:19:20]
>> Yes.
[1:19:20]
>> I move to approve agenda item number 18,
[1:19:22]
proposal acceptance, the contract award
[1:19:25]
for wildfire analysis and assessment for
[1:19:27]
DDK.
[1:19:28]
>> Thank you.
[1:19:30]
>> Second. Okay, we have a second from
[1:19:32]
Councilwoman Swanson. I'm sorry, a first
[1:19:35]
from Councilwoman Swanson. A second from
[1:19:37]
Councilwoman Satderfield.
[1:19:40]
>> Aubriana, please call the RO.
[1:19:42]
>> Yes.
[1:19:46]
>> Bingham,
[1:19:46]
>> yes.
[1:19:47]
>> Paulson,
[1:19:48]
>> yes.
[1:19:50]
>> Agenda item 19, bid acceptance contract
[1:19:53]
award for Upper City Creek Parking lot
[1:19:55]
grading probuilders, Inc. Council may
[1:19:58]
wish to approve the following requests
[1:20:00]
for the Upper City Creek parking lot
[1:20:02]
grading project and authorize the mayor
[1:20:04]
signature on all pertinent documents
[1:20:07]
subject to the legal department's
[1:20:08]
review. A accept the low bid received
[1:20:12]
from ProBuilder Inc. in the amount of
[1:20:14]
66,89
[1:20:16]
and if approved B authorize a contract
[1:20:19]
between the city of Pocutello and
[1:20:22]
ProBuilders Inc. in the amount of 66,808
[1:20:26]
for the upper city creek parking lot
[1:20:28]
grading project and authorized change
[1:20:31]
orders up to 10% of the total contract.
[1:20:34]
Funding of the project has been provided
[1:20:36]
through the Idaho Department of Parks
[1:20:38]
and Recreation Trails Program Grant.
[1:20:43]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[1:20:44]
>> yes. I move we accept [clears throat]
[1:20:46]
uh agenda item number 19 bid and
[1:20:50]
contract award for the upper city creek
[1:20:52]
parking lot grading for probuilders as
[1:20:55]
outlined in 19.
[1:20:57]
>> Second.
[1:20:58]
>> Okay. Thank you. We have a first from
[1:20:59]
Councilwoman Swanson, a second from
[1:21:02]
Councilwoman Satderfield. Aubriana,
[1:21:04]
please call the role.
[1:21:06]
>> Swanson,
[1:21:06]
>> yes.
[1:21:07]
>> Satderfield,
[1:21:08]
>> yes.
[1:21:08]
>> Beats,
[1:21:09]
>> yes.
[1:21:09]
>> Mangum,
[1:21:10]
>> yes.
[1:21:10]
>> Pson,
[1:21:11]
>> yes.
[1:21:12]
>> Okay. Agenda item 20, change order
[1:21:15]
number two, 429 Washington Avenue,
[1:21:19]
Environmental Hazard Assessment and
[1:21:21]
Interior Demolition Demolition Safe
[1:21:24]
Tech, Inc. Council may wish to approve a
[1:21:27]
change order number two in the amount of
[1:21:30]
$3,45563
[1:21:34]
for the environmental hazard abatement
[1:21:36]
and interior demolition of the
[1:21:38]
city-owned property at 429 Washington
[1:21:42]
Avenue which is the site of the former
[1:21:44]
Alama fire station city of Alama and
[1:21:48]
authorized the mayor's signature on all
[1:21:50]
applicable documents subject to legal
[1:21:53]
department review. The proposed change
[1:21:55]
order covers additional services beyond
[1:21:57]
the original contracted scope of work
[1:22:00]
and 10% change order authorization.
[1:22:03]
Funding for the project is available in
[1:22:05]
the building abatement fund.
[1:22:09]
Council, how do you wish to proceed?
[1:22:11]
>> Mayor,
[1:22:12]
>> yes.
[1:22:12]
>> I move to approve agenda item 20 as
[1:22:15]
outlined.
[1:22:16]
>> Thank you.
[1:22:18]
We have a first from
[1:22:19]
Councilman Pollson, second from
[1:22:21]
Councilwoman Swanson. Aubriana, please
[1:22:24]
call the role.
[1:22:25]
>> Hollson,
[1:22:25]
>> yes.
[1:22:26]
>> Swanson,
[1:22:26]
>> yes.
[1:22:27]
>> Bates,
[1:22:28]
>> yes.
[1:22:28]
>> Mangum,
[1:22:29]
>> yes.
[1:22:30]
>> Sfield,
[1:22:30]
>> yes.
[1:22:32]
>> Agenda item 21, PVC pipe materials bid
[1:22:36]
for the water department. Council may
[1:22:38]
wish to award the bid for poly vinyl
[1:22:41]
chloride pipe to the lowest responsive
[1:22:44]
bidder HD Fowler in the amount of
[1:22:47]
$138,015
[1:22:50]
and authorize the mayor's signature on
[1:22:52]
all applicable documents subject to the
[1:22:55]
legal department review. Funding for the
[1:22:57]
purchase is available in the water
[1:22:59]
department fiscal year 2026 budget.
[1:23:05]
Would we like a staff presentation? Or
[1:23:07]
if not, I'd entertain a motion.
[1:23:09]
>> Yes.
[1:23:10]
>> I would move to approve agenda item 21,
[1:23:13]
PVC pipe material bid for the water
[1:23:15]
department as outlined in agenda item
[1:23:17]
21.
[1:23:18]
>> Second. Thank you. We have a first from
[1:23:20]
councilman Mangum, a second from
[1:23:22]
Councilman Pollson. Aubriana, please
[1:23:25]
call the role.
[1:23:26]
>> Yes.
[1:23:30]
>> Swanson,
[1:23:31]
>> yes.
[1:23:32]
Agenda item 22, resolution fiscal year
[1:23:36]
2027 departmental fees. Council may wish
[1:23:39]
to adopt a resolution with exhibits A
[1:23:42]
through Y, and I won't read each one of
[1:23:45]
them, setting fees for the fiscal year
[1:23:47]
2027,
[1:23:49]
October, 126 through September 30th,
[1:23:52]
2027.
[1:23:54]
The the exhibits are enclosed.
[1:23:57]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[1:23:58]
>> yes. I would move that we adopt a
[1:24:00]
resolution fiscal year 2027 departmental
[1:24:04]
fees um
[1:24:07]
sections A through Y setting financial
[1:24:12]
or fiscal 2027 October through October
[1:24:16]
1st 2026 through September uh 30th 2027
[1:24:20]
as exhibited in agenda item 22.
[1:24:23]
>> Okay.
[1:24:24]
>> Second.
[1:24:24]
>> Thank you. We have a first from
[1:24:26]
Councilman Mangum, second from
[1:24:28]
Councilwoman Satderfield. Aubriana,
[1:24:30]
please call the role.
[1:24:32]
>> Mango,
[1:24:32]
>> yes.
[1:24:33]
>> Satderfield,
[1:24:34]
>> yes.
[1:24:34]
>> Bates,
[1:24:35]
>> yes.
[1:24:35]
>> Alson,
[1:24:36]
>> yes.
[1:24:36]
>> Swanson,
[1:24:37]
>> yes.
[1:24:38]
>> Agenda item 23, resolution for fiscal
[1:24:41]
year 2027 foregone levy. Council may
[1:24:45]
wish to adopt a resolution certifying
[1:24:47]
the levy of foregone taxes for use in
[1:24:50]
fiscal year 2027 in accordance with
[1:24:53]
Idaho code 63-802.
[1:24:58]
>> Mr. Mayor,
[1:24:59]
>> I think I heard Swanson on the left
[1:25:01]
first.
[1:25:02]
>> Can I have Rich come up, please?
[1:25:04]
>> Yes.
[1:25:11]
Rich Morgan, finance department.
[1:25:14]
I'd like you to explain to the public
[1:25:16]
again what a levy of foregone tax means.
[1:25:20]
>> So at some point in the past, councils
[1:25:24]
have had the ability to budget that they
[1:25:29]
have not taken the advantage of and and
[1:25:32]
state law allows us to track that
[1:25:36]
and in the future use it if needed. And
[1:25:39]
that is what's happening tonight. We're
[1:25:41]
using 1%.
[1:25:43]
The total foregone
[1:25:46]
um for the city of Pocutello is over
[1:25:49]
five million and we will be using about
[1:25:52]
350. It's a little over 350,000
[1:25:56]
of that in this fiscal year 27 budget.
[1:26:00]
>> And that 1% is a what state legislature
[1:26:02]
sets that we're allowed to to use.
[1:26:04]
>> That's right.
[1:26:05]
>> Okay. Thank you,
[1:26:10]
» Mr. Mr. Mayor.
[1:26:11]
>> Yes.
[1:26:11]
>> I would move to adopt a resolution
[1:26:14]
certifying the levy of foregone taxes
[1:26:16]
for the use in fiscal year 2027
[1:26:21]
according to Idaho code 63-82.
[1:26:26]
» Second.
[1:26:27]
>> Okay. We have a first from Councilman
[1:26:29]
Bangum, a second from Councilwoman
[1:26:31]
Swanson. Aubriana, please call the role.
[1:26:34]
>> Mango,
[1:26:34]
>> yes.
[1:26:35]
>> Swanson,
[1:26:35]
>> yes.
[1:26:36]
>> Bates,
[1:26:36]
>> yes.
[1:26:40]
Agenda item 24, ordinance. The council
[1:26:43]
has the following options for reading
[1:26:45]
ordinances. If the council makes no
[1:26:48]
motion, the ordinance will be read on
[1:26:50]
three different days, two readings of
[1:26:53]
which may be by title only and one
[1:26:56]
reading of which shall be placed in full
[1:26:58]
placed on final passage for publication.
[1:27:04]
An ordinance. Okay. Sorry. An ordinance
[1:27:06]
approving fiscal year 2027 appropriation
[1:27:10]
is what we're looking at.
[1:27:12]
>> Mr. Mayor.
[1:27:13]
>> Yes.
[1:27:14]
>> I would move that the ordinance agenda
[1:27:17]
item 24 be read only by title and placed
[1:27:21]
on final passage for publication and
[1:27:25]
that the entire ordinance be
[1:27:29]
submitted for publication.
[1:27:31]
>> Second.
[1:27:32]
>> Okay. Thank you. We have the first from
[1:27:33]
Councilman Mangum, a second from
[1:27:35]
Councilman Pollson.
[1:27:37]
>> Mr. Mayor.
[1:27:38]
>> Yes.
[1:27:38]
>> Just a clarification for the public.
[1:27:40]
This is the vote to affirm the adoption
[1:27:43]
of our fiscal year 2027 budget.
[1:27:46]
>> That's right.
[1:27:47]
>> Thank you.
[1:27:50]
Okay, Aubriana, if you please call the
[1:27:52]
role.
[1:27:53]
>> Mango,
[1:27:53]
>> yes.
[1:27:54]
>> Hson,
[1:27:54]
>> yes.
[1:27:55]
>> Bates,
[1:27:56]
>> yes.
[1:27:56]
>> Sfield,
[1:27:57]
>> yes.
[1:27:57]
>> Swanson,
[1:27:58]
>> yes.
[1:27:59]
>> Okay. And I'll ask Jared to read the
[1:28:01]
ordinance at this time. An ordinance of
[1:28:03]
the city of Pocutello, a municipal
[1:28:05]
corporation of Idaho, appropriating
[1:28:07]
186,698,374
[1:28:12]
for the 20 2027 fiscal year to defay all
[1:28:15]
necessary expenses and liabilities of
[1:28:17]
the city. providing for the objects and
[1:28:19]
purposes for which such appropriations
[1:28:21]
are made and the amount appropriated for
[1:28:24]
each object or purpose levying adorum
[1:28:27]
taxes in the amount of $37,527,19
[1:28:32]
for the fiscal year beginning the first
[1:28:33]
day of October 2026 and ending the 30th
[1:28:37]
day of [clears throat] September 2027
[1:28:39]
upon all taxable property within the
[1:28:41]
city of Pocutello to provide revenue to
[1:28:43]
pay current general street liability
[1:28:45]
insurance recreation cemetery airport
[1:28:47]
public library and to pay interest and
[1:28:50]
principal on general obligation bonds of
[1:28:52]
the city of Pocutello, providing that a
[1:28:54]
certified copy of this ordinance shall
[1:28:55]
be filed with the county commissioners
[1:28:56]
of Vanet County, Idaho, Power County,
[1:28:58]
Idaho, and with the secretary of state
[1:29:00]
of the state of Idaho. Providing for
[1:29:02]
this ordinance to take effect upon its
[1:29:04]
passage, approval, and publication
[1:29:05]
according to law.
[1:29:08]
I declare that to be the final reading
[1:29:10]
of the ordinance. Shall the ordinance
[1:29:12]
pass?
[1:29:14]
>> Yes.
[1:29:14]
>> Mango,
[1:29:15]
>> yes.
[1:29:18]
>> Swanson.
[1:29:19]
>> Yes.
[1:29:20]
>> All right. That concludes our meeting.
[1:29:22]
We are adjourned. Thank you.