[0:01] Just hit record now.

[0:03] >> Okay. Good morning everybody. Call to

[0:06] order. Welcome. Glad to see everybody

[0:08] here. It's a nice gathering of advisors.

[0:11] Uh let's start off with Oh, I'm the

[0:15] chair, Peter Clay, and we're represented

[0:18] by all the county board members for zoo

[0:22] arts and parks tier one. So, uh member

[0:25] activity suggested.

[0:28] Okay.

[0:30] Provide one word

[0:32] that summarizes your thoughts and

[0:34] reflections on the work and

[0:35] contributions for ZAP applicants to Salt

[0:37] Lake County residents and visitors.

[0:39] You've had all week to think about the

[0:40] one word. So Amy, I'll pick you up.

[0:45] >> Empowerment.

[0:46] >> Great.

[0:48] >> Heidi,

[0:49] >> backstage.

[0:50] >> Oh,

[0:51] Amanda,

[0:53] >> apologize. I don't have a bird.

[0:55] >> Not yet. Can you

[0:57] >> I had mine and now I forgot it.

[0:58] [laughter] I wrote it down.

[0:59] >> Oh my goodness. It's contagious.

[1:01] >> I wrote one down and I changed it.

[1:03] [laughter]

[1:06] » That's more than one word.

[1:09] >> Go ahead. I'm while I think of try I

[1:10] think of mine.

[1:12] >> Meaningful.

[1:13] >> Oh, okay.

[1:14] >> And you

[1:14] >> I was going to say that one, but

[1:16] community also came to mind.

[1:17] >> Okay.

[1:17] >> I'll say effort.

[1:19] >> So maybe you two have been stimulated.

[1:21] >> But that wasn't my word. I'll go with

[1:23] impactful

[1:24] >> engagement.

[1:26] We're on the That must be just uh

[1:30] >> I was gonna say

[1:31] >> I'll go item number two. Oh, we're ahead

[1:34] of schedule now. Okay, item number two.

[1:36] [laughter]

[1:38] >> The one word didn't turn into an essay.

[1:41] [laughter]

[1:43] Uh the Zap advisory boards will accept

[1:45] public comments regarding Zap business

[1:48] in the following formats.

[1:50] Written comments may be submitted to the

[1:52] Zap Advisory Board liaison

[1:55] Dustin Burch.

[1:57] via email dberts salt lakecount.gov

[2:01] no later than two hours prior to the

[2:04] meeting start time on the day of the

[2:05] meeting. Uh Dustin, did we get any email

[2:08] comments? All right, so that has been

[2:10] >> you can check that. Vermal comments of

[2:13] two minutes or less will be accepted in

[2:16] person doesn't mean physically here but

[2:18] also virtually at all ZAP advisory board

[2:21] meetings.

[2:22] Anything else on that item?

[2:24] >> I don't think we have anybody here from

[2:25] the public. It does not appear. So

[2:28] >> yeah.

[2:28] >> All right. Good.

[2:29] >> So uh I turn it over to you Samantha.

[2:32] >> I'm gonna stand up if that's okay

[2:34] because we'll cover a few things

[2:35] important things here.

[2:37] >> Um first just I want to say thank you. I

[2:40] know this year you guys tried so many

[2:42] new things. You were so good aboutation

[2:45] the review criteria your new assignments

[2:48] the mentor program and so just a big

[2:49] thank you that it was a lot this year

[2:51] and you all handle it like champs. We

[2:53] can't tell you how much it was great to

[2:55] see your comments and your strengths you

[2:57] put in there and observations you had

[2:58] and the scores you got in really early

[3:00] and we were able to pick out bad. So,

[3:02] thank you. I just wanted to start with

[3:03] that. A couple small items. Matt um most

[3:06] likely is not going to join us

[3:07] physically. He does try to come and stop

[3:09] by our meetings for a little bit of

[3:10] time. Um uh it might be virtual between

[3:14] about 2:30, sorry, 12:30 and 2:30. Um so

[3:17] if we have something that's gets

[3:18] critical or something we're stuck on, we can definitely ask him when he gets

[3:21] here. Uh the restrooms I think you

[3:23] remember are just on the other side of

[3:24] this wall for you. If you want to refill

[3:27] a water container, we can just let you

[3:29] in here. We usually leave this door um

[3:30] unlocked just so you can get in anytime

[3:32] you want hot water, cold water.

[3:34] [clears throat] Um couple things. Um if

[3:37] you uh want the wiper for your um the

[3:40] materials we gave you in the red binder

[3:41] to go over here. If you want some hole

[3:43] punch, we can do that for you. Um

[3:45] notebooks. If anybody wanted to do

[3:47] something not digital, we had these. I'm

[3:48] gonna pass these to you first, but

[3:51] instead of doodling, we thought you

[3:52] could pick a couple of fidgets if you

[3:54] wanted to take home or just have today

[3:56] just for a little fun and uh a little

[3:59] way to to get your nerves out there. Um,

[4:02] let's see. Uh, we have grant manuals. If

[4:04] anybody wants to see a grant manual in

[4:06] your orientation binders, remember you

[4:08] have your board manual, but if for some

[4:09] reason you want to reference the grant

[4:11] manual of the day, they made a couple

[4:12] copies for you right here. um I think

[4:15] it's officially called Utah Fashion

[4:17] Week. Is that correct? This week. So, as

[4:20] our meeting progresses, there may be

[4:22] some interesting dynamics that take

[4:23] place downstairs or you might hear some

[4:25] people or people arriving. So, just know

[4:26] it'll be a little fun. Little sneak

[4:27] peek.

[4:28] >> Some of our people here are reflecting

[4:29] certain factors.

[4:30] >> They are. They are. I would say we're

[4:32] having it right here. That's awesome. Um

[4:34] okay. So, let's walk through what's in

[4:36] your binders. Again, it's paper, but

[4:37] yeah, hopefully you got almost

[4:38] everything or you could get everything

[4:39] electronic except for one small item.

[4:41] I'll show you that.

[4:42] on the right side of your binders um is

[4:45] going to be um your agenda. So,

[4:48] everybody has the agenda. I'll obviously

[4:50] have it up here as well for you. Um and

[4:52] we'll walk through it. Remember the

[4:53] agendas have the order in which we're

[4:55] going to do reviews, that's helpful to

[4:56] you. Uh your applicant summary, remember

[4:59] your strengths. Weaknesses and

[5:00] observations. If you want to have them

[5:01] writing the scratch notes down, we've

[5:03] got that in there for you if you want to

[5:05] do that. Um, and then on the left hand

[5:08] side,

[5:09] this is something you asked for, but we

[5:11] were switching DAS. Remember Craig left?

[5:14] Um, and so it was kind of harder on the

[5:16] left side of your binder. Uh, we did get

[5:17] from the DA permission to use um, uh,

[5:21] this document I sent yesterday, which

[5:23] was what you asked for at orientation,

[5:25] which was um, the open and public

[5:28] meetings and Robert's rules kind of put

[5:30] together in a document. I know this is a

[5:31] little bit of a deep document. It's more

[5:33] of a reference guide, I would say. Um,

[5:36] uh, we've done a pretty good job of

[5:38] following the rules. Um, a couple notes

[5:40] all so that you don't read this whole

[5:41] thing right now. Um, is two things I

[5:43] noticed was if you're at your ending

[5:45] time of the meeting, we don't need a

[5:47] motion to close. Uh, our chair can just

[5:49] say we're closing the meeting, we're

[5:51] joining the meeting. If we're at the

[5:52] ending time, if it's before the ending

[5:54] time or after, that's when we want one

[5:56] motion. No second. The other thing uh

[5:59] that I uh experienced recently was the

[6:01] recreation

[6:03] bond advisory board which is similar to

[6:05] this. Uh Laura Laura runs that is on

[6:07] here. Um [clears throat] she the way

[6:10] they did it was with Robert's rules was

[6:12] um before anyone gets a chance to make a

[6:14] second comment or ask a second question,

[6:16] make sure everybody around the room has

[6:17] had that chance. And I thought that was

[6:18] a really cool to experience that. um

[6:20] after leave a viewer kind of says their

[6:22] thing and other people start talking,

[6:23] giving everyone look to make sure

[6:25] everyone said something or asked

[6:26] something before someone kind of goes

[6:28] down a road was a really cool courtesy

[6:30] to see and it brought people who may not

[6:32] talk as much out to make comments

[6:34] earlier. It was really cool. So that's

[6:36] in the Roberts rules. Um then you have

[6:38] your related party transaction summary.

[6:40] Um, just want to remind you that last

[6:42] year you asked us as staff to handle the

[6:46] related party transactions which mean we

[6:48] spend time with our accounting firm and

[6:50] we walk through them and we make sure

[6:51] everybody has evidence. When we get to

[6:53] this part I'll explain this more but

[6:54] this is what this year you're going to

[6:55] vote on this year's P based on

[6:57] recommendations that I'm going to make

[6:59] to you and I'll walk through these with

[7:00] you. Um, remember you did vote on this

[7:03] at orientation for us to take care of it

[7:04] for you. But these are the specifics for

[7:06] this year and I'll get into that in a

[7:08] minute in a few minutes.

[7:10] Well, uh this is the the next one is you

[7:13] again we got this by email but this is

[7:14] uh the financial health tests the ones

[7:17] in blue out of ones that fail each year.

[7:19] So this year we had two fail last year

[7:21] we had two fail and I think the year

[7:22] before we had three fail. So um again

[7:25] when we get to this part of the agenda

[7:27] I'll spend more time with the with the

[7:28] CPA talking you through and helping you

[7:30] understand and we'll ask the CPA some

[7:32] questions. Um, uh, we do have one

[7:35] repeater this year that's been asked

[7:37] three years. Remember when you score,

[7:39] this is the fifth category that y'all

[7:40] don't really do, we do as an admin score

[7:42] based on what Tori does for her

[7:43] accounting. Um, remember, uh, every year

[7:46] that you fail, it is adopting points and

[7:49] so we do have someone who unfortunately

[7:51] is in that area.

[7:55] The [clears throat] next document is the

[7:57] data report. Um, this is what we think

[7:59] is really cool and we want to get into

[8:00] this more with you. Um, we only gave you

[8:03] a sample link, so just know there is

[8:04] more exciting data that we'll talk

[8:06] about, but this is a data report. And

[8:08] this talks about things like where the

[8:09] board members reside. It talks about

[8:11] personnel, who has volunteers versus

[8:14] full-time employees. Um, and then the

[8:17] last one is activities, so you can see

[8:18] where they're doing their outreach to.

[8:20] Um, is in here. So, we'll talk a little

[8:22] bit about this, but this is this

[8:24] document's more for you to inform you,

[8:26] to give you a better idea of things. not

[8:28] doesn't necessarily fit perfectly into

[8:30] any scoring criteria, but it helps you

[8:32] understand the organizations or the

[8:34] organizations as a bigger pool. So,

[8:36] we'll walk through this a little bit

[8:37] later.

[8:37] >> Yep.

[8:38] >> This is what you sent to up digitally

[8:40] pro.

[8:41] >> Uh, yes. Information. Yes. Everything in

[8:43] here except the Robert's rules.

[8:46] >> Okay. [clears throat]

[8:47] >> And the um

[8:50] specific related party transactions for

[8:52] this year because I'll have to tell you

[8:54] it's a little it's a little bit much

[8:55] this year. So, I'll talk about that in a

[8:56] minute. So yes, you have all this

[8:58] digitally. And then the last one again

[9:00] is just uh last year you had us

[9:02] institute a new practice about warning

[9:04] letters uh for organizations that you

[9:06] wanted to make sure it felt supported.

[9:07] They were struggling but you wanted them

[9:09] to know early as early as we could about

[9:11] hey you probably need to talking to Zap

[9:13] and working harder on some things

[9:14] towards your application. So I just

[9:16] wanted to remind you of that process

[9:18] that we go through in case this year

[9:20] we'll talk about later again you you

[9:22] want something done in this area. I just

[9:24] want you to have the process in front of

[9:25] it. So that's your binders. Again,

[9:27] everything was sent to you on Friday

[9:29] except the related party transactions

[9:31] are specific to this year and then the

[9:33] Robert's rules and the open public

[9:34] meeting kind of guidelines that you

[9:35] would ask for. Um and um we'll go over

[9:39] them next meeting next year in

[9:40] orientation a little bit more.

[9:43] >> Let me see.

[9:46] >> You also provided within that. Yeah,

[9:49] >> you didn't specifically mention a

[9:51] summary of of all the scores

[9:54] and uh an encapsulation, excuse

[9:57] [clears throat] me, the strengths and

[9:58] weaknesses that the board collected,

[10:00] which is also helpful.

[10:02] >> Yeah, I think we're going to walk

[10:02] through that. I think that's going to be

[10:04] where we're spending our time honestly

[10:05] for most of the day. Um this is

[10:08] definitely going to be where we're going

[10:09] to spend our time today. So, uh we'll be

[10:12] walking through this mostly. This is

[10:13] almost the agenda sort of put in much

[10:15] detail. Um, so if you want it in paper,

[10:17] otherwise you do have a soft copy of it

[10:19] by the way. We emailed on Friday. Uh,

[10:21] and I just want to do a little

[10:22] recognition of our team too is Cody

[10:24] really poured over. He really has owned

[10:27] Submittable, which we are so happy to

[10:29] have and he's exploited it. He's really

[10:31] taken advantage of all the things that

[10:33] he possibly [laughter] can and then he

[10:36] spends a lot of time in AI. Uh, he takes

[10:38] what they give him and say, "How do we

[10:39] digest this or the board? What's

[10:41] relevant?" So again, we do have more of

[10:42] the data um and and the strengths and

[10:45] weaknesses that we will share with you

[10:46] later, but we have to unpack some of it.

[10:48] So uh we hope to do with it is promote

[10:50] it in some of our promotions. So some of

[10:52] our social media when we talk to the

[10:53] council, we want to give the council a

[10:54] better picture of what our applicant

[10:56] pool looks like or our grantees look

[10:58] like. So we'll be talking more, but I

[10:59] really want to just give Cody and and

[11:01] the team because Kelsey helped and

[11:04] nothing really for today. This is him.

[11:07] [laughter] This is all this is all him.

[11:09] This is all of it. And then uh Kelsey's

[11:11] really a great adviser. She really has

[11:12] the board's point of view. She has the

[11:14] grant's point of view. She's always uh

[11:16] giving us our softer touch. She's always

[11:17] making sure that everyone feels warm and

[11:19] comfortable. I

[11:20] >> I want to second that. I think some of

[11:21] you saw in my email on Monday that uh

[11:25] they really you all have really

[11:26] upleveled the information for us to give

[11:29] us shape a little more context and

[11:31] perspective. I started at the height of

[11:33] COVID and it was freaking chaos at the

[11:37] [laughter] time in terms of being able

[11:39] to meet people and so on. And then also

[11:42] I meant I'll I'll credit Kelsey on that

[11:44] scenario planning workshop that I the

[11:47] only one I attended this year but I I

[11:50] thought about scenario planning and all

[11:52] the applications who's thinking of

[11:55] contingencies alternatives

[11:56] >> yes

[11:57] >> you know to their funding to their

[11:59] executive director stepping down or

[12:01] board changes and so on or another COVID

[12:04] circumstance right so the COVID was a

[12:06] great lesson for most of these

[12:07] organizations so again thank you staff

[12:10] for all that hard work and I think that

[12:11] will help us with a really fruitful

[12:14] discussion because in years past it's

[12:16] been a little bit harder I think to

[12:17] think about it because we're not quite

[12:19] sure about the context but now we have a

[12:21] little bit more with these summaries a

[12:23] little bit more shape of perspective on

[12:25] that stuff

[12:26] >> yeah Kelsey really took to heart uh

[12:28] she's been hearing it all for a couple

[12:29] years now say succession planning

[12:30] scenario planning what's going to happen

[12:32] when they're leader or the that the

[12:34] inspiration person the founder leaves

[12:36] and so

[12:36] >> I actually got I actually I won't say

[12:38] who it is but one of the exec directors

[12:41] who I met at [clears throat] the time he

[12:44] contacted me he wants to meet I think to

[12:46] talk about more about this scenario

[12:48] planning and how the zap envisions that

[12:50] so

[12:50] >> that's great

[12:51] >> I think an effort on their part I think

[12:53] it's resonating with [laughter] them the

[12:55] work was done on that

[12:56] >> well it was surprising to see I think

[12:58] two organizations still said that

[12:59] they're like in the concept or don't

[13:02] have one working one and I'm like we've

[13:03] been asking for this for years

[13:05] >> yeah you see the same thing

[13:07] >> yeah very interesting so Yeah, it's a

[13:09] great thank you. Uh this I think having

[13:12] a full staff has really changed some

[13:14] dynamics and brought some things

[13:15] forward. So please please give them all

[13:18] credit for all this play.

[13:21] >> This is a couple parking lots. I know we

[13:23] do this every year. They're a little bit

[13:24] more thoughtful this year. Um if during

[13:27] the meeting you want something changed

[13:28] or fixed, I already heard one suggestion

[13:30] about we don't get together. We don't

[13:31] really know each other. You know that

[13:32] that's one idea. But so this one's more

[13:34] just general things, meeting content,

[13:36] ideas, things like that. This is more

[13:38] like if we want you want us to try to

[13:40] tackle something from a practice or a

[13:41] policy this working group that's going

[13:43] to be starting to meet next month.

[13:44] That's that's where you put those

[13:46] things. So there's sticky notes and

[13:47] highlighters on the table um to take

[13:49] those two. Um let me see what else we

[13:52] have. Um and part of the reason that we

[13:55] don't necessarily want to get into this

[13:56] is because today is about reviews. It

[13:58] isn't about policy and practices. And we

[14:00] really want to give those policies and

[14:01] practices the attention they deserve

[14:02] because they do need some massaging and

[14:04] some work. Um, [clears throat] let's see

[14:08] here.

[14:12] I think that is it. But team, did I

[14:15] forget any housekeeping? Did I forget?

[14:18] >> You crushed it.

[14:19] >> Any kind of things we need to have? Um,

[14:21] we do have a few a couple recusals. Um,

[14:24] so Peter will give a nod when we would

[14:26] ask someone to leave for the meeting.

[14:28] Um, and then I just wanted to mention

[14:30] that um, if you need to, it's adult

[14:32] learning, is adult, get up and move

[14:34] around. If you need to get a drink, take

[14:35] a walk. If you really feel like you're

[14:36] on the edge of we needing a break, just

[14:38] signal and we can take a small break if

[14:40] we need to. Hopefully, we've got them

[14:40] built in here for you, but I just wanted

[14:42] you to feel free because it's going to

[14:43] be a really busy day today. Um, I I

[14:47] can't think of anything else. Peter, did

[14:49] I miss anything? No.

[14:51] >> You want to run out the clock or you

[14:52] want to keep going?

[14:53] >> No, we're we're totally good. I love the

[14:55] idea of keeping us going.

[14:56] >> All right, good. Yeah. So, um Oh, this

[15:00] is an exciting item.

[15:02] Oh, well, that one's not quite as

[15:04] exciting as [laughter]

[15:07] action. I have approved advisory board

[15:10] uh meeting minutes from May 28th. Uh

[15:14] does anybody have any questions or edits

[15:19] regarding those minutes?

[15:20] >> You received those electronically, but

[15:21] they're not in your packets. I've got a

[15:23] pulled up if you have any questions.

[15:24] >> Did people read those minutes?

[15:26] >> Absolutely. And this is the first time I

[15:27] haven't had a correction.

[15:31] >> She's our proof reader.

[15:33] >> So, anybody else have any thoughts about

[15:35] the minutes from the May 28th

[15:37] orientation meeting? Okay.

[15:39] >> I'll move that we approve the meeting

[15:41] minutes from um May 28th.

[15:43] >> Do we have a second?

[15:45] >> Second.

[15:46] >> Okay. All agreed? Say I. I.

[15:49] >> All right. So, oh, now we're on the next

[15:52] exciting item.

[15:54] election advisory board 27 2027

[15:58] leadership.

[16:00] >> This is great. So Samantha

[16:03] >> um so as you know as a member it's a

[16:05] three-year term. You get one three-year

[16:06] term and then if you want to do renewal

[16:08] a second like Peter. So Peter is going

[16:10] to be finishing out his second term um

[16:12] this year. Um terms always run whether

[16:14] you're in leadership or regular member

[16:16] uh Jan basically January 1 to December 1

[16:18] that the the county's fiscal year is a

[16:21] calendar year. Um, we have two current

[16:24] nominees.

[16:24] >> One's a question mark.

[16:26] >> Oh, [laughter]

[16:28] it was on the draft agenda I sent you.

[16:30] It was a question mark. Um, the first

[16:32] one we had, uh, was for chair, and

[16:34] that's for Lynette. Lynette's currently

[16:35] vice chair, and she's been nominated to

[16:36] be chair. And then for vice chair, uh,

[16:39] Rita, um, has been nominated to be the

[16:43] vice chair. Um, but I wanted to ask like

[16:46] we always do in each meeting is if

[16:47] there's anyone who wants to

[16:48] self-nominate or nominate someone else,

[16:50] we just want to bring that out now. So,

[16:52] I just want to call for any other

[16:54] nominations.

[16:55] >> You can nominate yourself, too.

[16:59] >> I don't hear or see any

[17:01] >> takers. No competition here. Come on.

[17:04] [laughter]

[17:06] » Okay. Um, well, then this is going to be

[17:08] like a regular vote. We do one at a

[17:10] time. Um, and just uh since I'm an

[17:13] exicio,

[17:15] obviously I don't vote, but I can

[17:17] facilitate this. I just wanted to make

[17:18] comment. We didn't really have

[17:19] clarification on that uh before this

[17:21] year. So, um, so, uh, all in I guess I

[17:24] need a motion first. Is that correct?

[17:26] Um, so does someone want to make a

[17:28] motion for the chair position, please?

[17:34] » I move in for Lynette

[17:37] for

[17:39] >> I'll second that motion.

[17:41] All in favor?

[17:43] >> Any opposed?

[17:47] [laughter]

[17:48] >> No. Gavl, please.

[17:50] >> Great. Great. Okay, we'll move on to the

[17:51] vice chair nomination. Does someone want

[17:53] to make a motion uh for the vice chair

[17:55] nomination?

[17:57] >> I make a motion.

[17:58] >> Great.

[18:00] >> I'll second it.

[18:01] >> Do we need to say

[18:04] >> Oh, yeah. That'd be good.

[18:05] >> I make a motion for great.

[18:08] >> Great. Okay, we have a nomination in a

[18:10] second. Um, [clears throat]

[18:12] all in favor?

[18:13] >> I.

[18:14] >> Any opposed?

[18:16] >> Congratulations.

[18:19] >> Okay, so Rita and Lynette will be um

[18:23] chair and vice chair for 27. It's

[18:25] calendar year. And then um typically

[18:28] they can have a one renewal, but it's

[18:30] more by exception. Kind of depends on if

[18:32] other people are interested, if

[18:33] something's going on. I think I've given

[18:34] this example before. During

[18:35] reauthorization, Johan felt strongly to

[18:37] stay on one more year. Um I think it was

[18:39] part of his legacy, part of what he has

[18:41] done his whole life. And so Peter was

[18:43] kind

[18:44] >> I was his vice chair

[18:44] >> kind was kind enough to do vice chair

[18:46] for a second year. Um and so it worked

[18:48] out. That's just an example of um so

[18:50] we'll have to see how next year goes. We

[18:51] have talked to a couple people about

[18:52] potentially next year, but for 27 we

[18:55] have our new leadership.

[18:56] Congratulations.

[18:57] >> Thank you.

[18:58] >> Be ready to work people. [laughter]

[19:02] » That has ideas. Thank you.

[19:08] Um, oh, I think it's me. Okay. Um,

[19:12] >> and Cody,

[19:13] >> yes, I think Cody's gonna probably maybe

[19:15] do as much or more talking than I will,

[19:18] I believe.

[19:19] >> Do you want me to pull it up or do you

[19:21] want to pull it a preview?

[19:23] >> Oh, you know what? I did forget some I

[19:25] apologize. I did forget something that

[19:27] Peter asked me just apologize. This is

[19:31] what I forgot. Okay. Does this seem show

[19:34] up that well?

[19:36] >> Okay. So, so, so this is the districts.

[19:38] We were gonna talk about this just for

[19:39] one second. Peter wanted to just have

[19:40] everybody know [clears throat] it runs

[19:42] into multiple cities. Whatever your

[19:43] district is, you represent lots. So, you

[19:46] can see one is up here. So, it's mostly

[19:48] Salt Lake City. Um, two is is the west

[19:51] side. So, it's basically Magna to um the

[19:54] Bluff.

[19:54] >> Who's two here? You okay?

[19:56] >> Yeah. So, she's in

[19:58] >> J Daybreak. Um, so kind of runs Heramin

[20:01] Bluffdale area. Um then it starts these

[20:03] really meld together, right? So district

[20:05] three is right here in the middle, five

[20:09] down here in the southwest and six is in

[20:11] the southeast and then fourth. So you'll

[20:14] see your cities run. It doesn't mean you

[20:16] just represent obviously represent the

[20:17] bigger pool. I'm going to make this a

[20:19] tiny bit smaller so that you can

[20:21] >> So we don't have district five board

[20:24] member right now.

[20:26] >> Yes, tier one is um uh got a couple

[20:29] doubles. Um we try to have but the

[20:32] council really expects us to put it in

[20:33] as many districts as we can. Um it

[20:35] fluctuates. When I first got here it was

[20:36] like everybody was in kind of one and

[20:38] four and now we've kind of started.

[20:40] >> Yeah. Yes. Like like mirroring the the

[20:44] grant and we'll talk about that.

[20:45] >> I think I was the first one from

[20:46] district three.

[20:47] >> You are and district three is really

[20:49] hard to recruit from. Two is hard to

[20:51] recruit from. Um and I'm sorry.

[20:55] >> Who do you re generally ask?

[20:56] >> We never really had a a full-on

[20:58] recruitment process. That's what we want

[21:00] to do in the process. The

[21:02] >> mayor's office.

[21:02] >> Yeah, that's how we do it. We reach out

[21:04] to the mayors and local arts agencies.

[21:06] Um, we put on our social media, but what

[21:08] we want to do better, and we've talked

[21:09] to Lynette about maybe a whole process,

[21:11] more of a formal process, and Matt does

[21:13] the same thing. So, when Matt needs

[21:14] board members, he comes through a

[21:15] newsletter, our social media, and that's

[21:17] how he usually gets his is through our

[21:18] channels. So, um, but it is really

[21:20] difficult. Um, sometimes when we get

[21:23] people in three, we think, "Oh, they're

[21:24] in mid bail. Yay, we have a three."

[21:26] They're really not.

[21:28] [laughter]

[21:29] I know. I know.

[21:31] >> It's crazy.

[21:32] >> But this this just gives you an idea of

[21:33] the of the areas in which you're in that

[21:36] can be challenging. Again, two isn't

[21:37] just challenging because it's the west

[21:38] side. People do think that, but uh until

[21:40] the population grows, I mean, that's the

[21:41] whole growth, right? I mean, they're

[21:42] just building like crazy out there. But

[21:44] there's not fully communities kind of,

[21:45] you know, intact yet. And so, it's

[21:47] really challenging to go like just a few

[21:49] in Magna and then way down to Haramman

[21:51] and Daybreak and um Bluffdale

[21:54] essentially is our is our is our pool of

[21:56] people. So

[21:57] >> I just can I comment on this?

[21:59] [clears throat]

[21:59] >> So over my few years and also my living

[22:03] in Utah since the late 90s

[22:06] >> I still think of downtown as Salt Lake

[22:08] City, right?

[22:09] >> But we have grown so much across the

[22:12] county. I mean many of these places like

[22:15] your Holiday was not incorporated. Yeah.

[22:17] >> Nor was Cottonwood Heights. there's a

[22:19] lot of expansion, but most of Zap when

[22:22] it was originated was concentrated, as

[22:24] are many of our established venues are

[22:26] in Salt Lake City. So this this

[22:29] geographic spread and we've t we've

[22:32] talked over the years about board

[22:34] members and diversity and so on but one

[22:36] of the things that seems consistently

[22:38] lacking is geographic diversity which is

[22:42] a factor because our tax dollars I know

[22:44] in the case of Murray City it provides a

[22:46] lot of revenue to the county because of

[22:48] fashion mall Costco auto ro so you know

[22:52] where those county dollars going they're

[22:54] going to a you know the majority of them

[22:55] are going tier one to to legacy venues

[22:58] downtown, which makes sense because

[23:00] that's historically where some of our

[23:01] best cultural arts, but that's certainly

[23:04] changing.

[23:05] >> And I think the county has been moving

[23:07] to, you know, like building this

[23:08] performance arts center and another one

[23:10] that's going to be south to recognize

[23:12] that. And when I first moved here, all

[23:13] the rec centers, too.

[23:15] >> Yeah.

[23:15] >> Were expanded to, you know, across the

[23:17] county. It wasn't just down Salt Lake

[23:18] City. So, and I noticed that a lot of

[23:20] you all kind of you thought about that

[23:23] in terms of what I saw in the summary.

[23:24] So, you know, that's one aspect of and I

[23:27] hadn't really Lynette, I hadn't really

[23:29] thought so much about that until last

[23:30] year or two,

[23:32] >> you know, the the the allocation of the

[23:36] c, you know, the arts and the

[23:37] activities.

[23:37] >> I mean, it's the zap tax dollar comes

[23:40] from every taxpayer in the county. And

[23:42] so, like you said, 30 years ago, it made

[23:45] sense, right, that like you said, those

[23:47] legacy, those hubs down there. But as

[23:50] the population demands have changed,

[23:51] we've either got to start looking for

[23:53] organizations for tier one that already

[23:55] exist out in these places or we have to

[23:58] put the obligation on our tier ones to

[24:00] say you have to be partnering with 20 of

[24:04] our tier 2 that are all over the county

[24:07] or something. There has to be a shift in

[24:10] how otherwise it's very inequitable for

[24:14] people in Daybreak, right, to not have

[24:17] any real particular access. And like you

[24:20] said, downtown, we are the center of the

[24:21] county in district three. So, what is

[24:23] phenomenal to me is that we see the

[24:26] least board representation out of all of

[24:28] our tier ones from district three when

[24:31] we're the heart of the county and

[24:33] everybody travels through us to get

[24:35] anywhere. It's

[24:37] >> I feel like we're an afterthought.

[24:39] >> Yeah, [laughter]

[24:40] we are. We are. We We're the first

[24:41] suburbs and Rita and I were talking

[24:43] about that last night.

[24:44] >> As I'm looking at this, even going

[24:46] through these town of Brighton out of

[24:48] town, how many of our applicants

[24:52] >> aren't really aware of that. So, I'm

[24:55] wondering if it's worthwhile to have

[24:57] this kind of a discussion as people come

[25:00] in or as we have the reviews of look,

[25:03] this is what it means around the county

[25:05] because, right, there were very few um

[25:08] things going on in some of those far

[25:10] reaches and

[25:12] >> they see it on their list, but I'm not

[25:14] sure they're always really aware what

[25:16] that means.

[25:16] >> This year's application shifted some

[25:18] thinking, I think, for a lot of our

[25:20] applicants. They were asked questions in

[25:22] ways that they did not have to review

[25:23] themselves before.

[25:25] >> And I think we have code frankly

[25:28] summing up your conversation is is us

[25:30] asking better questions because I think

[25:32] Cody is already thinking of tweaks that

[25:33] he wants to do to ask maybe the same

[25:35] question in a different way or

[25:37] >> provide more help language so they

[25:38] answer it the way the board wants needs

[25:40] them to answer it.

[25:41] >> But also more of these data and metrics.

[25:43] We showed them yes

[25:45] >> their own data and metrics right

[25:47] >> which we haven't been able to do

[25:49] >> then it helps them see the bigger

[25:51] picture of Zap I think right because

[25:53] they're so concerned you're a nonprofit

[25:54] and obviously Utah you're working behind

[25:57] right and so I think showing them the

[25:58] metrics will hopefully help them see a

[26:00] bigger picture

[26:01] >> and to define their own metrics because

[26:03] a lot of them don't have very good

[26:04] metrics most of the applications are

[26:06] qualitatively oriented

[26:08] >> and and the things we thought about is

[26:10] you know they're using a tier ones a lot

[26:12] of them are using zip code data. We've

[26:13] never asked for all that. That's amazing

[26:15] data that because maybe they are doing

[26:17] more outreach. We just don't know,

[26:18] right? Maybe they have way more people

[26:20] that they draw in purposefully to come

[26:22] into the venues. We just don't ask those

[26:25] questions. And so Cody's going to do a

[26:26] little homework between seasons to see

[26:29] who does get zip code data, what that

[26:31] provides to them so that we can tell a

[26:32] fuller story to the board, but but also

[26:34] to the public. So all these points are

[26:35] great taken. I'm going to move on if

[26:37] that's okay. Let me just quick it be

[26:39] possible on some of these summaries to

[26:41] put

[26:42] >> what district the actual organization

[26:45] is. So we just had right there kind of

[26:47] knowing you know like PTC so we get a

[26:51] vision there of you know

[26:52] >> yeah u just for the conversation so in

[26:54] the future we can we can definitely do

[26:55] that you mind taking taking a note on

[26:57] that um someone but uh every single one

[27:01] is in tier one in tier one is in um

[27:06] district one except for

[27:08] >> living uh um sorry

[27:12] um the hail center and then in

[27:15] zoological ical. Um, the zoo is in tier

[27:18] one. I'm sorry, keep saying that.

[27:20] District one. The aquarium is in six.

[27:24] >> Those mixed up five and six. I screw

[27:26] that one up all the [clears throat]

[27:27] time. Um, but then, you know, um, I

[27:30] think it's still one for South Salt Lake

[27:32] for the second location. Trace Avery.

[27:34] Doesn't that sound right? Yes,

[27:35] >> it it is barely. Right on the

[27:38] >> Is it Liberty? Is it Liberty in Park

[27:41] Salt Lake City?

[27:41] >> It is. We're talking about the nature

[27:43] center in West Valley. It's actually

[27:45] South Salt Lake. One side is West

[27:47] Valley, one side is South Salt Lake, but

[27:49] it borders three.

[27:51] >> And so for them to not have

[27:53] representation from three drives me

[27:55] crazy when they haven't really asked to

[27:57] think about that.

[27:58] >> You know, years ago we talked about

[28:00] [laughter]

[28:00] >> but we talked about uh people of color

[28:03] and so on and so forth for the board

[28:05] members. Yeah. So they could have been

[28:07] from district one. we didn't really

[28:08] think about or we didn't ask them to

[28:10] think about the district geography.

[28:14] >> All righty. So, um, so I think those are

[28:16] great points and I think we will talk

[28:17] about that more. I don't think that

[28:19] subject is done clear sorry done

[28:21] clearly. Um, so just a couple quick

[28:22] things before Cody Cody I'm going to go

[28:24] ahead and give the screen over to stop.

[28:26] >> Uh, I'll let Cody show that of course.

[28:29] Thank you for bringing that up. I

[28:30] appreciate it Peter. Um, two quick

[28:32] things. Uh, so remember that uh staff

[28:34] has deemed these groups eligible. So all

[28:38] 23 [snorts] tier ones and three

[28:41] zoologicals have been deemed eligible

[28:44] unless otherwise at some other point

[28:46] something changing. Um but they're all

[28:49] uh your job is to ensure that they're

[28:51] worthy for tier one level funding.

[28:54] Um and then remember our even though it

[28:57] says weaknesses on the report that

[28:59] Cody's going to talk about first, we

[29:01] will change that language. it was just

[29:03] easier for the conversation to do what

[29:04] we talked about being more supportive

[29:06] like this is something for more to have

[29:07] your attention this is something that

[29:08] maybe you want want to consider think

[29:10] critically about so we'll change that

[29:12] language but you know we're really

[29:14] trying to help them improve and not not

[29:15] penalize them so just just thinking as

[29:17] we're talking today

[29:19] >> for the next this next part I would love

[29:22] either look on the the screen for this

[29:24] or if you want to get your paper copy

[29:26] out um I'm going to walk you through a

[29:28] little bit of how this is all set up

[29:31] um which we'll discuss us in a little

[29:34] bit later if we get to the individual

[29:36] ones. So again, this is a summary of the

[29:38] strengths, weaknesses, and some

[29:40] observations that you all have made um

[29:42] during your review process. So this took

[29:45] information. We were able to export your

[29:48] review comments in the strengths and

[29:50] weaknesses sections of your reviews and

[29:52] we were able to export some of your

[29:54] criteria notes that um um that you put

[29:57] in there. just so that we made sure to

[29:59] capture everything um that that you were

[30:03] thinking about these organizations. So

[30:04] these are your comments. These are your

[30:07] strengths and weaknesses observations

[30:09] that you're you're noticing. So on the

[30:12] first page that you have here, the tier

[30:14] one and zoological applicant review

[30:16] index. Um that's this is the order that

[30:18] we're going to go in today. Um, if you

[30:20] are using the digital copy, um, the

[30:23] organization names are hyperl, so you

[30:26] can jump down to the, um, uh, to the

[30:29] organization that we're talking about.

[30:31] Otherwise, [laughter] it is

[30:35] so cool.

[30:35] >> I need another.

[30:37] [laughter]

[30:44] Otherwise, if you want to do a did a

[30:46] paper one.

[30:47] >> Um, yes. The one that we want to look

[30:50] at, I know they have the same logo and

[30:51] they almost have the same exact title,

[30:53] but this is the one that has the

[30:54] strengths, uh, weaknesses and

[30:57] observations

[30:57] >> in your red. In the red one,

[30:59] >> in the red one, it's the thickest of

[31:01] them all.

[31:02] >> Oh,

[31:02] >> make sure you have

[31:03] >> Yep. Okay.

[31:05] >> So, yep. It'd be this one. That one.

[31:08] Yep.

[31:09] >> Um,

[31:09] >> logo confusion.

[31:11] >> Yes. [laughter] Um, we have the

[31:13] discipline reference. So again, we're

[31:14] going to go in order and you'll see

[31:15] where the breaks are, where we kind of

[31:17] time them out so you kind of have a

[31:19] mental break. Okay, we're going to do a

[31:20] pray break between these organizations.

[31:23] The lead reviewer is also listed in here

[31:25] and as we start our conversation, they

[31:27] will be the first one to have about

[31:29] three minutes to kind of talk about some

[31:31] of the bullet points before we open it

[31:33] up to the the whole um the whole group.

[31:37] the two columns here, you'll see one

[31:39] that says board average score. That's

[31:41] the average score that you all have um

[31:45] inputed into submittable. So that's the

[31:48] taking all of your total scores and

[31:50] averaging them.

[31:52] Um the total with FHT scores, so the

[31:55] financial health test, if there's an

[31:56] organization or a couple that have

[31:59] failed the financial health test um

[32:01] within the past three years, they're

[32:03] receiving a negative number to their

[32:05] score. So you may see a variance of

[32:07] between one uh to three points taken off

[32:11] because that's how the financial health

[32:12] test score affects it. I'm just talking

[32:15] about the um the total with financial

[32:18] health score.

[32:19] >> Yep.

[32:21] >> So what's the high range and then what's

[32:25] the you know inadequate range?

[32:27] >> I'll I'll talk about that in just a

[32:28] second because I'm going to get to that

[32:29] on the bare notes page. And then like

[32:31] Peter was saying there's a funding guide

[32:33] that's put over here that between

[32:35] exceptional, strong, adequate,

[32:37] developing. If you want to look at the

[32:39] very next page, this is the chart that's

[32:41] going to talk about that what this um

[32:44] exactly is. Um, so this was in the board

[32:48] uh manual that was provided at

[32:49] orientation and this is a guide for your

[32:52] understanding of the total score like

[32:54] when when an applicant is scoring um on

[32:58] average between a 14 to a 16 range. This

[33:01] was um considered exceptional you know

[33:03] they're scoring.

[33:04] >> So we apply that to both the board

[33:05] average and the FH.

[33:08] So um and this was often a a wonderful

[33:12] tool that the tier 2 advisory board

[33:14] loved because it helped them um when

[33:17] they were making recommendations and

[33:19] dollar amounts. This really helped them

[33:22] um really expedite that process um

[33:25] because it gave you a range of okay well

[33:27] if it's exceptional you know let's give

[33:30] them a small increase you know with that

[33:32] board being able to do that. Um below

[33:35] that exceptional range is the strong. So

[33:37] that's a 12 to a 13. The average score

[33:40] um would be 12 to 13. Below that was 9

[33:45] to 11 where it's adequate where it's

[33:47] meeting baseline expectations across

[33:49] most criteria. Um and and again for tier

[33:54] 2 they that's where they said in flat

[33:56] funding. Obviously you all are not

[33:58] making dollar amount recommendations but

[34:00] this is just for your awareness of how

[34:02] to kind of um center the conversation if

[34:05] you will. So if they're exceptional and

[34:07] they they're great and we don't have any

[34:09] other negative comments to maybe add,

[34:11] you know, it's like, okay, let's let's

[34:13] move on.

[34:13] >> Question about this.

[34:14] >> Yeah. So QE [clears throat]

[34:17] proportions relative to all 25,

[34:21] you know, their percentages QE has in

[34:23] the past been determined about what

[34:25] their funding was. So will this override

[34:29] that or qualify that to some extent when

[34:31] you say flat funding?

[34:32] >> That's a great question. It's a good

[34:33] point. So this column of recommendation

[34:36] type is really for tier 2, but Cody

[34:38] wanted to leave it in purposely for tier

[34:40] one to just do thinking around it even

[34:41] though you're not making funding

[34:42] recommendations. And again, the dollar

[34:44] amounts are and percentages are around

[34:46] whatever their QE is, what Tori develops

[34:48] from their alltime expenditures um

[34:51] worksheet, but he just wanted to give

[34:52] you an idea of how you can look at

[34:54] these. Not only the description where it

[34:56] says what this reflects, but it says,

[34:58] "Oh, flat funny, they're okay. They're

[34:59] just coming along. They're just doing

[35:01] okay."

[35:02] or like the 6 to8. We do have one

[35:04] currently right now. Uh that's a 6 to8.

[35:06] Wow, that's an issue. We need to send

[35:09] clear signals about supporting them, but

[35:11] letting them know where we think or you

[35:13] think they're falling fall going lower.

[35:14] So, we don't have to really use this,

[35:15] but won't supersede or change. I think

[35:17] he's just trying to provide a a bigger.

[35:20] >> Could it could would it be fair for us

[35:22] to apply this? So, well, two questions.

[35:24] One is did anybody change their scores

[35:27] since last week? So,

[35:28] >> no one's notified me. So,

[35:29] >> okay. So we can we can change scores

[35:31] today.

[35:31] >> Correct.

[35:32] >> Could is it fair for us

[35:34] >> to to to think about this FHT

[35:37] >> to qualify our scores today even though

[35:40] it doesn't directly affect the funding?

[35:42] It's sort of again like you said sending

[35:44] a signal.

[35:45] >> Yeah. Yeah. Drop the score.

[35:46] >> Yeah. We wanted you to Cody. Sorry. Did

[35:47] you

[35:48] >> I was going to say actually that's

[35:49] already being applied. So the financial

[35:51] I'll speak a little bit to the financial

[35:53] health test scoring rubric here. um if

[35:56] they passed all of the tests and I'll

[35:58] scroll down a little bit so

[35:59] [clears throat] you can see it on the

[36:00] screen as well. They passed all three

[36:02] years they received a score of a zero.

[36:04] Their financial health test did not

[36:05] affect their total score. It's only when

[36:08] [clears throat] they start failing in

[36:10] particular years where they start that

[36:12] score starts coming down. So for

[36:14] example, if you if you failed one year

[36:17] and that might be last year, it might be

[36:19] two years ago or three years ago, your

[36:21] score receives a negative one. If it's

[36:24] two years that you failed minus two,

[36:26] three years minus three, right? And so

[36:30] um we only have about three um

[36:34] >> four organizations that were affected by

[36:36] that. Um two which failed this year and

[36:40] then the other two that have minus ones

[36:42] are because they failed in previous

[36:44] years. Um so that's where that column

[36:47] the total with FHT score that has

[36:49] already been factored in.

[36:51] >> Okay. Do you mind if I come back around

[36:52] for Peter? Just one second. Okay.

[36:54] >> So, this this column that you

[36:55] identified, this last one that says

[36:56] exceptional, strong, adequate, um Cody

[36:59] based that title not on yours as alone,

[37:03] >> but with the financial health test. So,

[37:04] all five categories that that wording is

[37:08] consistent with including the fifth

[37:10] category of financial health test. And

[37:12] when we give this to them, again, we'll

[37:14] talk about this a little later, but

[37:15] we're going to give them remember these

[37:16] are your comments and here's these are

[37:17] your draft comments that we're going to

[37:18] give to them. We will clean them up

[37:19] today. Dustin's going to take copious

[37:21] notes. We will add this and then get

[37:22] those notes back to you. But we're going

[37:24] to also tell them you by the board,

[37:27] oops, I'm on the wrong one. You by the

[37:28] board were listed as just adequate. What

[37:30] does that mean? So we will give them a

[37:32] definition here on adequate just meaning

[37:34] that baseline,

[37:36] >> right? Do you educate the council on

[37:37] this then too as far as their

[37:39] understanding when there's I mean I I

[37:41] think as an agenda I don't know how much

[37:44] when how much you go into this when you

[37:47] present to the council but do they get

[37:50] this information to help them understand

[37:52] the concept?

[37:53] >> They don't really get into the scoring

[37:54] of it all. They're trusting y'all to

[37:56] make these determinations. Um they're

[37:58] looking at the overall things like why

[38:00] were people declined? Um if there was a

[38:02] change in tier one, they want to know

[38:03] why and what the change was. uh in tier

[38:06] 2 um it's how many applicants versus how

[38:09] much funding was available uh whether

[38:11] the declines were ineligible declines or

[38:13] a board decline but they don't get into

[38:15] this they want the kind of highle

[38:17] reporting if they were to ask um a lot

[38:19] of them do ask after our funding

[38:21] recommendations are approved can I have

[38:22] a list of every applicant

[38:24] [clears throat] and or grantee in my

[38:26] district and we provide that but we also

[38:28] provide another one that we'll talk

[38:29] about in a minute which is excuse me

[38:31] these ones aren't in your in your city

[38:33] or the area in which you represent your

[38:35] council district, but they provided

[38:38] events and functions and they did

[38:40] outreach in your area. So, they don't

[38:42] get into those things. Um, they really

[38:43] trust the board to to make that happen.

[38:47] >> And finally, just on this page, uh, just

[38:49] a a couple reminders regarding our

[38:51] review discussion reminder since we have

[38:53] 26 applicants to discuss that we need to

[38:56] get through today. Um, our deliberation

[38:58] time is about eight minutes per

[39:00] applicant. You're going to see some

[39:01] lovely cards over here. Some of you

[39:03] might remember them from last year. At

[39:05] the 8 minute mark, which you save these

[39:07] cards from last year,

[39:08] >> you know, I remake them, but because we

[39:10] adjusted the time, we gave you like one

[39:11] extra minute to discuss. Um, the lead

[39:14] reviewer will start and the goal is if

[39:16] is to look at the bullet points that are

[39:18] on um in the summary report. If there's

[39:22] something that we that's not missing or

[39:24] you wanted to just elaborate slightly

[39:26] on, go right ahead. But if everything is

[39:29] there and you have nothing else to add,

[39:31] that is okay. Um, a lot of our tier 2

[39:34] board members, we did a very similar

[39:36] process with them. They saw the bullet

[39:38] points because it's again all of your

[39:40] reviews um comments. They're like,

[39:42] "Nope, this is great. Looks great." And

[39:44] then they moved on to maybe some more

[39:47] board discussion, right? So at the five

[39:49] minute mark, I will hold up a card where

[39:51] the lead reviewer will be like wink hint.

[39:53] >> This is an official starting with this

[39:55] whole thing. So, by the way, so so

[39:59] you're saying the same thing about weak

[40:00] weaknesses, strengths and weaknesses. I

[40:02] mean, yes, everything observations.

[40:04] >> You you would look at both.

[40:05] >> So, as a lead reviewer, if we have

[40:07] anything to add.

[40:08] >> Correct. I see. Yes. And we created an

[40:10] observations category for for things

[40:12] that you noticed about maybe at

[40:14] [clears throat] your site reviews or

[40:15] about the application that maybe is not

[40:17] necessarily a strength or a weakness,

[40:19] but something that you want noted and

[40:21] observed. We put that in the

[40:23] observations category. So we don't have

[40:25] to repeat what we did individually.

[40:27] >> No, sir.

[40:28] >> Not at all because it's been summarized.

[40:29] >> That will save time.

[40:30] >> Yes.

[40:31] I also add a couple things to this

[40:32] is um so typically when an applicant is

[40:35] doing really well, it doesn't take as

[40:37] long.

[40:37] >> It's already been noted. Um I I wanted

[40:40] to add that um I did send this report to

[40:42] the CPA for any financial comments that

[40:45] were made and she verified they were all

[40:47] good to go as was except for two and I I

[40:50] redlined that. When we get to those two,

[40:51] I'll show you. But they were just minor.

[40:53] They were really minor things. And it

[40:54] might have been our interpretation,

[40:57] what you said. [clears throat] It might

[40:58] have been the AI. It might be just a

[41:00] clarification, but it all the financial

[41:02] information that we put in here that was

[41:03] summarized is good to go except for I'll

[41:05] show you. Um, and then the staff looked

[41:07] at it. So, I did look at these

[41:08] individually one by one and sort of and we only changed tiny slight things,

[41:12] but overall it was solid. You guys did a

[41:15] solid solid accurate job.

[41:17] >> Just clarificate. So, if I'm looking at

[41:19] Ballet West, for example, it's got the

[41:22] summary of the lead reviewer there, but

[41:23] it's also got kind of our feedback from

[41:26] when we

[41:27] >> Yes.

[41:27] >> were writing down the notes on our

[41:29] observations for

[41:30] >> That's correct. And you may notice and

[41:32] it it's summarized because maybe you

[41:33] both noticed the same thing, both

[41:35] strengths or weaknesses. So, that's why

[41:37] it's condensed because multiple people

[41:39] observed the same thing.

[41:41] >> So, this isn't just the league reviewer.

[41:42] This is actually all seven board

[41:44] members. Same point. If we were in

[41:46] submittable though, do we have a way of

[41:48] looking at what the lead reviewer's

[41:50] comments were or are we only seeing our

[41:53] applic?

[41:54] >> I'm laughing because it's Do you want to

[41:56] >> So for you personally, you're only able

[41:58] to see your review comments and notes

[42:02] for yourself. You're not able to see

[42:04] what else other board members said.

[42:05] That's why we wanted to do the summary

[42:07] so that you could have an idea of how

[42:08] else people

[42:09] >> I just laughed. We love Submittable and

[42:12] we told you you're seeing the products

[42:13] all coming out great. But

[42:14] >> Cody and I have to guess which board

[42:16] member said what because we only get

[42:17] numbers. Board number one said this,

[42:18] board number two said that

[42:19] >> based on submission time. So I can't I

[42:22] have to kind of figure out like when did

[42:23] who submitted when.

[42:25] >> So like that's why when we talked and we

[42:26] said, "Oh, I made these comments."

[42:28] >> Yeah.

[42:28] >> And some of them you were one or two or

[42:30] three. You weren't the same in all of

[42:32] them because it was who put it in first.

[42:33] >> Yes.

[42:34] >> So it's a mystery to us. Um that's one

[42:37] of the only mysteries that is that we

[42:39] struggle with. But we don't always

[42:40] struggle to be honest with you.

[42:41] >> Is that something Submittable is working

[42:42] on their team? Have you discussed

[42:46] as a part of our

[42:47] >> tweets? We're going to do a post.

[42:49] >> So you guys aren't able to go in and see

[42:51] what our notes are.

[42:52] >> I can see what your notes are, but I

[42:54] can't I have to go into each individual

[42:56] review to see and I kind of have to

[42:58] guess like cuz I can get an export that

[43:00] says it all. I know who it is and that's

[43:03] how I put it together.

[43:04] >> So you mainly went into each of us and

[43:06] then you aggregated like this. I thought

[43:10] you did. Good job.

[43:14] >> There's no AI for that yet, right?

[43:16] >> Well,

[43:19] >> there is, but he has to collect all that

[43:20] stuff, right? You still have to put the

[43:22] data.

[43:22] >> You still have to put everything in.

[43:24] Yep.

[43:24] >> I'm just curious when an organization

[43:27] and I looked at, you know, last year's

[43:29] notes. I actually looked up the little

[43:31] video of today and I watched about 10

[43:34] minutes. I'm like, "Okay, I'm not going

[43:35] to watch seven hours of you deliberating

[43:37] last year, but I just wanted to get a

[43:39] feel for what it seemed like." And I

[43:40] wondered what do the organizations

[43:43] actually see? Will they be able to see a

[43:45] similar summary

[43:48] with you? And will they be able to see,

[43:50] you know, what this report that you

[43:53] >> Yes. So to um what we will do after this

[43:56] conversation and after today is as we

[43:59] take the notes and we um you know, you

[44:01] adjust your scores, we're keeping track

[44:03] of all of that. So, yes, we do have

[44:05] plans to give them something like this.

[44:07] It probably won't look exactly like

[44:09] this, but um and you know, we'll take

[44:12] some of the strengths, weaknesses if we

[44:13] need to do any tweaking of language a

[44:16] little bit, but yes, they're going to

[44:17] get something like this um

[44:20] >> at the end of the day. Not today, but

[44:22] the end of the submittable,

[44:24] >> correct? they'll be up to.

[44:25] >> Yeah. So, we'll um So, if we finish

[44:28] today, the next step is is that uh I

[44:31] draft an email that I send out that's a

[44:34] preliminary approval. No dollar amounts.

[44:36] It just says the board met and they are

[44:38] putting their preliminary

[44:39] recommendations for you to be awarded

[44:41] forward. Okay? And then if obviously

[44:44] there's one that won't be because we

[44:46] have 23 applicants for 22 spots, I would

[44:48] notify them of a decline. They have 10

[44:51] days, business days to appeal. Um and

[44:53] then uh tier two will meet at the end of

[44:56] the month. Um and then I will take both

[44:58] sets of we will take both sets of

[45:00] recommendations to council. Um once

[45:02] council approves, we give a lot of

[45:05] information. We give them their approval

[45:06] and the dollar amount if we can at that

[45:08] time. But we're going to give them this

[45:10] and then again Dustin will incorporate

[45:12] all what you're talking. We'll give you

[45:13] a copy of that. Um we will give them

[45:15] their scores before and after the

[45:16] financial health test. We'll give them

[45:18] if they're adequate or uh strong. Uh

[45:20] we're going to add a couple things.

[45:21] We're going to do percent. Cody added

[45:23] percentiles for the first time last

[45:24] year. So instead of just saying here's

[45:25] your score and the average, he's going

[45:26] to say what we did last year. You're in

[45:28] upper lower 25 or 10. You're in the

[45:30] middle. So they kind of know where

[45:31] they're ranking of the pool. And then

[45:33] we're also going to do staff comments,

[45:35] which we're both stoked about this year.

[45:37] Um is sometimes they don't see all the

[45:39] things the CPA says that really need to

[45:41] be noted. They don't really look at the

[45:42] checklist. So we're going to put those

[45:43] more up front. Um, we had a couple

[45:45] issues this year of a couple things that

[45:46] weren't seen and not Dustin and I had to

[45:48] go backwards one by one and get all the

[45:49] applicants to turn stuff in. Um, and

[45:52] then Cody and I can bring certain things

[45:53] up front like make sure you look at this

[45:55] note or make sure your post spending

[45:57] report because we do those for you. We

[45:59] read the postpending wasn't very good.

[46:01] You're not informing the board very

[46:02] much. Like this wasn't an adequate

[46:04] answer. So, um, they'll get this year

[46:06] really almost a comprehensive report

[46:08] sort of back and we can show you once we

[46:11] develop it. Um, and I will say one thing

[46:13] about this, this will be shared in

[46:14] aggregate. So the lead reviewer name is

[46:17] not going to be listed in there as far

[46:18] as the document goes. So that will be a

[46:21] representation of your entire strengths,

[46:23] weaknesses.

[46:24] >> May I just add something to this? So, as

[46:26] we as each of you go through your

[46:29] reviews,

[46:30] um my suggestion would maybe share an

[46:33] anecdote of if you attended an event and

[46:36] you know what that experience was so it

[46:37] gives us a little bit more context for

[46:40] it and then just focus on adding

[46:42] anything that you think is missing or a

[46:44] new thought you had without having to

[46:46] just repeat you know exactly what this

[46:48] is. And I'll give you a two-minute

[46:50] warning when we're getting to that down

[46:52] to the wire and it'll say wrap up so

[46:55] that you kind of start wrapping things

[46:56] up. Again, like Samantha said, um, and

[46:59] if for some reason it's off track or a

[47:02] parking lot, I'm going to raise this and

[47:03] be like, "Okay, we'll put it stop write

[47:06] a sticky note, put it up there." Um,

[47:08] like Samantha said, if you want to

[47:10] change your scores today, you can. um

[47:13] and we'll probably at probably at the

[47:15] end of each deliberation kind of have a

[47:17] hold a little space for you to do that

[47:20] do [clears throat] that in submittable

[47:21] and then I will look at the changes you

[47:24] make in submittable and I'll be doing on

[47:26] the back end some just calculations with

[47:28] the new score numbers um so do make sure

[47:31] that you have that open as part of our

[47:34] um discussion in case you want to change

[47:36] it um and again make sure you hit um

[47:39] save or submit submit actually um so

[47:42] that it comes

[47:44] So yes and and anything today it again

[47:48] we have to manually move the reviews the

[47:50] applicants into a different stage for

[47:53] your reviews to lock. So you're good for

[47:56] changing scores um before the end of

[47:59] today. Anything else Samantha before we

[48:01] move?

[48:02] >> I would say if there's any more

[48:03] questions um from that one I I don't

[48:05] think we need to go through the data

[48:06] report but we did have that on there um

[48:08] but we can talk about that later. Um, I

[48:11] was going to add you talked about the

[48:13] time cards.

[48:15] Was there any questions about this

[48:17] report or how we're going to work our

[48:18] way through it? No. Okay. Just so you

[48:20] know, Cody is going to keep track of

[48:22] everything so that at certain points

[48:23] when we need to see rankings of like

[48:25] where everybody's starting to fall or

[48:27] when we get towards the end of our

[48:28] meeting, he'll have all of that

[48:29] [clears throat] so we can just pull it

[48:30] up. So, um, are we good to

[48:34] >> Yeah,

[48:36] I think so.

[48:41] Hi Tori.

[48:43] >> Hi. How are you?

[48:45] >> Good.

[48:47] >> Sounds like you had some good

[48:48] discussions.

[48:50] >> I like that new report from Submittable.

[48:52] That's kind of neat.

[48:53] >> She got a chance to look at some of our

[48:55] reporting that you're seeing to check on

[48:57] those comments and she was like,

[48:59] that's great. [laughter]

[49:02] This is Tori. She's our CPA. Tori, how

[49:04] long have you been with us?

[49:06] >> I don't know. Um I don't know. I imagine

[49:09] 20 maybe 25 years just just after Zap

[49:14] was done. So I've been in it from almost

[49:16] the beginning with when it hit and then

[49:19] Vicky Bournes and Kirsten and yeah so

[49:22] it's been really a fun project.

[49:25] [clears throat]

[49:25] >> Um so she uh looks at all of our things.

[49:27] She really is doing a lot of the work

[49:29] around um category five which is the

[49:31] financial health test. And so Tori, I

[49:33] thought we'd start off with um having

[49:35] you just give a little bit of an

[49:36] overview of this year's pool and any

[49:37] kind of trends or anything that you want

[49:39] to chat through.

[49:41] >> Okay. I know one of the things that was

[49:43] on, you know, that was asked is whether

[49:44] or not there's going to be any like uh

[49:47] accounting to accounting standards kind

[49:49] of thing that's going to be, you know,

[49:50] it's in the pipeline. And this year for

[49:52] once there it wasn't. It has been brutal

[49:54] for the past few years just like

[49:56] painful. But this year it's like okay.

[49:59] So it's been it's been really nice.

[50:01] there's there's a new income tax

[50:02] provision, but it doesn't affect the

[50:04] nonprofits. So, oh, it was a sigh of

[50:07] relief for that. So, um so nothing right

[50:09] now and I don't know of really anything

[50:11] that's pertinent right now that's coming

[50:12] out that's going to be critical.

[50:15] Um as far as uh as far as trends, I

[50:20] guess I don't know if it's really a

[50:21] change. Let me look at one more thing

[50:23] just a second before I say that

[50:26] [clears throat]

[50:27] 10. Yeah. Um, one of the things I'll get

[50:29] into the definition or kind of a little

[50:31] bit brief summary about the financial

[50:33] health tests about what we look at, but

[50:36] I will say that financial health test

[50:39] five is the one that's failed most

[50:41] often. This year it had seven

[50:45] organizations that failed that

[50:46] particular test where there's only one

[50:48] that failed health test one and two that

[50:50] failed health test two and two that

[50:52] failed health test three. So the natural

[50:55] health test uh five is the is the

[50:58] largest one and I was what I was just

[51:00] verifying was last year was the same

[51:01] situation. Last year there were 10. So,

[51:04] um, and I'll and I'll talk about why a

[51:05] little bit on that one, but anyway. So,

[51:07] what we do is there there are six

[51:09] financial health tests that we do. And I

[51:12] really don't know the levels of

[51:14] financial, you know, experience that a

[51:17] lot of you have, but the first one has

[51:20] to do with unre has to do with net

[51:22] assets without donor restrictions. And

[51:24] we just look to see if that's positive

[51:26] or negative. So, if it's positive, you

[51:28] pass. If it's negative, you fail.

[51:30] >> And then we look at net working capital.

[51:32] If your current asset total is higher

[51:34] than your current liability total, you

[51:36] pass. If it's not, you fail. So that's

[51:39] very simple. And then uh financial

[51:41] health test four is debt to total

[51:43] assets. Your debt has to be less than 2

[51:45] to one. And so that one I don't know if

[51:48] anyone's ever failed that one. So that's a that's a luckily that's one

[51:51] that's that's pretty easy. Financial

[51:54] health tests three and five are based on

[51:57] three-year averages. So, I look at the

[51:59] current year financial statements and

[52:01] then I go back two more years and I do

[52:04] an average and then I do a calculation.

[52:06] In financial health test three, if that

[52:09] average is positive, we're done. You

[52:10] pass. If it's negative, I go on I have

[52:14] one more calculation to do, which is I

[52:16] take unrestricted [clears throat]

[52:18] net assets or net assets without doing

[52:20] restrictions. I multiply that by 50% and

[52:22] I compare the two. So, um, so anyway,

[52:24] that's that's just that's a lot of

[52:26] detail. Um, so anyway, if the if the

[52:30] negative average exceeds that second

[52:32] calculation, then it's a fail. If they

[52:34] don't, they pass. So that one is usually

[52:37] pretty good, too. The the number five is

[52:40] the cash from operations.

[52:43] That's the one that's the most failed.

[52:45] And what we do is we look at cash from

[52:46] operating activities. So in a cash flow

[52:48] statement, you have three sections. You

[52:50] have operating activities, investing

[52:53] activities, and financing activities.

[52:56] And the cash flow statement basically

[52:59] tells how you're getting your cash. Are

[53:01] you selling assets? Are you borrowing?

[53:04] Or, and this is why it's so important,

[53:06] are you generating cash from operations,

[53:08] from grants, from contributions, from

[53:11] ticket sales, that kind of thing. If

[53:13] that's a positive number, you're usually

[53:15] doing really well, even if you may maybe

[53:16] fail some of these other ones. And so

[53:18] that's why I always look at it as the

[53:20] most important statement. Unfortunately,

[53:21] it's the most difficult financial

[53:22] statement to prepare. So that's where a

[53:24] lot of my comments come in when I'm

[53:26] giving them to the to the organization

[53:28] or to the auditor. But um anyway, so

[53:31] that one to me is the most important

[53:32] one. And it's just it's just like the

[53:34] university uh in the university audit

[53:36] reports, they have a management's

[53:38] discussion analysis in those reports.

[53:41] And what they say on this and I love

[53:43] this this a statement of cash flow is it

[53:44] says it provides answers to such

[53:46] questions as where did cash come from

[53:49] what was cash used for and what was the

[53:50] change in cash balanced during the

[53:52] reporting period. So it's a very

[53:54] important statement it uh sorry it gives you a lot of

[53:59] information it's just hard because it

[54:00] has calculations involved in how to

[54:02] prepare it. So I mean so there that's

[54:04] usually like I said where more of my

[54:06] comments if I have financial statement

[54:07] comments they come from that is there's

[54:09] some kind of error in that financial

[54:10] statement.

[54:12] And so going on with that one I I I'm

[54:15] sure you can see this on this list. You

[54:17] can see that there's two uh two

[54:19] organizations that failed two or more

[54:21] health tests. So if you fail you have

[54:23] six here. If you fail two or more then

[54:25] you fail the overall health test.

[54:27] There's one exception to that and that's

[54:29] financial health test six. That's called

[54:32] the going concern. A going concern is an

[54:34] accounting term. So, you're not going to

[54:36] find it anywhere really. It's just an

[54:37] accounting term. And it says, well, an

[54:38] in it's the assumption that an entity

[54:41] will remain in business for one year

[54:43] from the date of the financial report.

[54:46] So, if you have a December year end like

[54:49] some a lot of these entities do and I

[54:51] finish the audit in May,

[54:54] between my discussions and my

[54:55] observations and that with management,

[54:57] is this entity going to be in business

[54:59] by next May?

[55:01] So that they used to play kind of a game

[55:03] like if it was December you're in and

[55:05] we'll issue the audit report in

[55:06] September because you could probably

[55:08] last three more months you know that was

[55:09] that kind of thing. Um you know whether

[55:12] you're in business a year from the end

[55:13] of the financial statement date. Now

[55:15] it's the report date. So games are over

[55:18] you know so will you be in business a

[55:20] year from when we finished the audit and

[55:22] have issued it. And so uh so that's what

[55:25] a going concern is. It's ongoing. You're

[55:27] still in business. So if there's a

[55:30] concern with the auditor's observations

[55:32] of how things look financially and or

[55:35] management has a problem with that

[55:38] but it's alleviated but someone else

[55:41] looking at can say h this still is

[55:43] weird. Then you do a a disclosure in the

[55:45] audit report in the in the in the notes

[55:47] to the audit and say we had some

[55:49] concerns but based on management they

[55:51] have a plan they're going to get this and this or blah blah blah. Um then

[55:56] if it's really bad and that's still not

[55:58] alleviated then the auditor actually

[56:00] puts it in the auditor report the the

[56:02] letter that precedes the financial

[56:03] statements that comes from the auditor

[56:05] and they say point and they point to

[56:06] this note disclosure saying we have

[56:08] concerns about this entity staying in

[56:10] business for the foreseeable future. So

[56:12] if that happens either a paragraph in

[56:14] the note disclosures or in the auditor's

[56:17] report that's referring to note

[56:18] disclosures. If either one of those

[56:20] exists, it's an automatic fail for

[56:22] financial health test six and you fail

[56:24] the financial health test. So, so that's

[56:27] an automatic fail. And then the other

[56:29] one is just you have to have two or

[56:31] more. So that that's a long explanation

[56:32] for that, but that's why it's so

[56:34] important for for these financial health

[56:35] tests. And of course, we had a lot of

[56:37] those back in COVID days. And so that

[56:39] was suspended for a couple years because

[56:42] no one knew where they were um how it

[56:44] was going to how it was going to turn

[56:45] out. So,

[56:47] um, anyway, so any questions on this so

[56:50] far?

[56:50] >> I was just going to make a point. The

[56:52] board did during COVID, the board did

[56:53] make a decision to suspend question or

[56:56] test six and so that was let go for I

[56:58] think we did it one more year pass. I

[57:00] think we allowed it for 22 as well uh

[57:03] just to give some time and space and

[57:04] then it's back on. Um, but I I've never

[57:07] seen anybody I don't think in tier one

[57:09] fail it. So yeah, we could go ahead if

[57:11] anyone does have any questions go into

[57:13] the two.

[57:14] >> I have a question.

[57:14] >> Oh, go ahead. So Tori, one of the

[57:17] applicants I was reviewing this year

[57:19] brought to [clears throat] my attention,

[57:21] they brought it up about endowments

[57:23] >> and I think um you may have answered

[57:25] through Samantha requests for

[57:27] information. I was trying to understand

[57:29] the role of endowments because some of

[57:31] the because some of these organizations

[57:33] I realize have substantial endowments

[57:35] from which they're deriving some

[57:37] investment income. How does this figure

[57:40] into your, you know, your financial

[57:42] analysis in terms of the health of these

[57:44] organizations? In the one case, they

[57:47] talked about building the endowment.

[57:49] They're about halfway towards it and

[57:52] they were building the endowment because

[57:53] they did not want scenario planning.

[57:56] They did not want to re, you know,

[57:57] necessarily rely on economic cycles and

[58:00] to be able to continue to fund some

[58:02] staff and operational things. So, I'm

[58:04] interested in your perspective about

[58:05] what you've seen across that. Do you

[58:08] consider that an asset or I'm not sure

[58:11] what the accounting groups are on that?

[58:14] >> Uh

[58:15] so endowments

[58:18] there there are two different kinds.

[58:19] First of all there's a permanent

[58:20] endowment which is kind of the the

[58:22] traditional one where you have outside

[58:24] sources that say we want to contribute.

[58:26] We want to help support your

[58:27] organization and you're allowed to spin

[58:29] off the the investment income and use it

[58:31] for your organization. Otherwise you

[58:33] have to keep corpus intact. It's

[58:34] permanently restricted. you leave it

[58:36] alone except for the interest. So that's

[58:38] a permanent endowment that that that

[58:41] is a like I said it's restricted by

[58:44] donors and so you don't touch that and

[58:47] of course you want that to be as large

[58:48] as possible too and that's great. I

[58:50] think I remember the organization you're

[58:52] talking about and what you you have is a

[58:54] second kind called a quasi endowment and

[58:56] that means that's an internal it's

[58:58] internal designation. This is a clause

[59:00] endowment is kind of by the board of

[59:02] directors by management usually the

[59:04] board you know the board needs

[59:06] discretion on that is say we want to

[59:07] build up this reserve and we want to

[59:10] have it be like we don't want to touch

[59:11] it we want to spin off income we want to

[59:13] build it up so that way we don't have to

[59:14] tap into it unless we need to but it's

[59:16] an internal one it's it's a great idea.

[59:19] So it's just basically building a

[59:21] long-term reserve and so you have even

[59:23] have the same disclosures as you would

[59:25] for a uh permanent restricted reserve.

[59:27] You have to talk about beginning

[59:28] balances and what comprises the

[59:30] additions and uses of it and ending

[59:32] balance. But it's designated definitely

[59:34] as quasi meaning you know again internal

[59:37] it's unrestricted versus restricted. So

[59:40] you always want as much unrestricted

[59:43] funds as you can have. And so if you

[59:46] have excess cash and excess investments,

[59:48] that kind of thing, put in a quasi

[59:51] endowment, you know, and and have this,

[59:53] you know, these long-term invest or

[59:54] investments that you you have designated

[59:57] internally as long-term that you don't

[59:59] touch, but you can if you need to. So

[1:00:02] quasi endowments be, you know, it's the

[1:00:05] best because it's unrestricted funds and

[1:00:08] you're just building it up and you can

[1:00:09] tap into it if you need to. And usually

[1:00:11] again it's at it's at board's discretion

[1:00:13] that management can go to the board and

[1:00:14] get it. But anyway, so that's that's

[1:00:17] fantastic if they have that and it's

[1:00:18] encouraged. You always want to have at

[1:00:20] least three to six months of reserve if

[1:00:23] you can. I mean it's just like personal

[1:00:24] financials. But

[1:00:26] >> your emergency fund, your personal

[1:00:28] emergency fund.

[1:00:29] >> Yeah. I mean basically yeah

[1:00:30] >> if you could tap into that I mean that

[1:00:32] is amazing. One of the disclosures, the

[1:00:34] audit disclosures you have to do is uh

[1:00:37] it's called liquidity and availability

[1:00:40] and it says what is your liquidity like

[1:00:42] what resources are available to meet

[1:00:44] your your expenses for the next year and

[1:00:48] then so that's a quantitative

[1:00:50] calculation or presentation. It's

[1:00:52] usually your current assets less um

[1:00:54] prepaids because it's not going to

[1:00:56] provide cash, right? You've already paid

[1:00:57] it and inventory you can't really

[1:00:58] convert that like you can with

[1:01:00] receivables. So anyway, so you have

[1:01:01] liquidity that's a calculation that's

[1:01:03] quantitative, but they want you to do a

[1:01:04] qualitative one as well. The qualitative

[1:01:06] one is we have lines of credit available

[1:01:10] if we can get it. We have credit cards

[1:01:12] that we can tap into if we have to. We

[1:01:14] have a reserve. We, you know, our policy

[1:01:17] is to invest excess cash and investments

[1:01:20] in this and so we could draw on that. So

[1:01:21] that qualitative thing is a really

[1:01:23] important disclosure. And so I always

[1:01:26] look for that in these just to make sure

[1:01:27] that it's done. I don't make comments on

[1:01:29] anymore, but um that's what that's

[1:01:32] what's important. So yeah, that's your

[1:01:33] reserve and when they have something

[1:01:35] like that or an unused line of credit,

[1:01:37] but they could tap into it. I mean,

[1:01:39] those are great things to have in your

[1:01:41] back pocket. So yeah, it's an emergency

[1:01:43] fund. It's if we need to and then we

[1:01:44] don't have to borrow. We don't have to

[1:01:46] sell assets. So it's great. So

[1:01:49] >> thank you.

[1:01:50] >> We okay to move on to the financial

[1:01:52] health tests. Um do you want to talk

[1:01:55] about this year since the two from this

[1:01:57] year? Yeah, this year it's Pioneer.

[1:01:59] Sorry, this year's Pioneer Theater. This

[1:02:01] is a This They had the same They failed

[1:02:03] last year as well. Last year they had

[1:02:06] two that they failed. This year there's

[1:02:07] three. The additional one was financial

[1:02:10] health test three that they failed. So,

[1:02:14] um, so in the prior year they failed two

[1:02:16] and five. And this year they also failed

[1:02:18] three. So, because they had two or more

[1:02:20] they fail. And that's why it's

[1:02:21] highlighted in blue. And if you want me

[1:02:23] to get into numbers, I could tell you

[1:02:25] that like, oh, they barely failed or

[1:02:26] they really failed or whatever. So, I

[1:02:28] could do that. And then the new one is

[1:02:30] Utah Arts Festival. They failed

[1:02:32] financial health test three and five.

[1:02:36] Uh, one that came off was Utah Arts

[1:02:38] Alliance. Last year they failed and this

[1:02:40] year they passed. So, that's great. But

[1:02:43] Utah Arts Festival, this is the this is

[1:02:45] the first year they they've been on

[1:02:46] this, meaning they just didn't have it

[1:02:48] last year.

[1:02:50] I do have a question Tori and we'll talk

[1:02:52] the past years in just a second with

[1:02:54] Tori here.

[1:02:55] >> The only question that I that I have

[1:02:56] that might be helpful for the board with

[1:02:58] on on these two that have well I guess

[1:03:01] Pioneer because they are a repeat is did

[1:03:05] they improve?

[1:03:07] Uh so they failed two and five last

[1:03:11] year. Did they improve from last year do

[1:03:14] you think?

[1:03:15] >> Yeah, let me look.

[1:03:16] >> And is it too hard? I just thought the

[1:03:18] board might want to know if they're and

[1:03:20] these are right

[1:03:21] >> trending. Yeah, it's at least trending.

[1:03:23] >> This is from 2425.

[1:03:25] >> This is this is from 25 is the most

[1:03:27] recent they have unfortunately.

[1:03:29] >> Okay.

[1:03:30] >> Um just one second.

[1:03:35] >> So it is dated a minute which is not

[1:03:37] great but

[1:03:39] >> and then

[1:03:42] okay they the working capital so it's

[1:03:44] going to be financial health task two.

[1:03:46] It got worse.

[1:03:49] It did get worse.

[1:03:52] >> Pioneer Theater financial health test

[1:03:53] too. It got it got worse. They had fewer

[1:03:56] assets and higher fewer current assets

[1:03:58] and higher current liabilities. So both

[1:04:00] directions were were bad. And then

[1:04:03] financial health has three

[1:04:07] >> uh that last year

[1:04:09] >> that right they did not uh that but I'm

[1:04:12] just looking at the three average and

[1:04:14] this year negative amount is less than

[1:04:17] last year.

[1:04:17] >> Okay. So that got better

[1:04:18] >> for 25 versus I'm comparing 25's

[1:04:21] negative amount to 24 and 23. So u so

[1:04:25] next year 23 will drop off. So if they

[1:04:27] have a pretty good year in 20 and 26

[1:04:29] then I'll improve even more. So that one

[1:04:31] decreased. And then financial health

[1:04:33] test five.

[1:04:35] Um it looks like it improved.

[1:04:39] So they're going the right direction on

[1:04:41] that which is again for me that's the

[1:04:42] one that's like can operations sustain

[1:04:45] themselves you know. And so this year

[1:04:47] the negative cash from operations was

[1:04:49] not the average. I'm just talking the 2025 change was 11,284. In the prior

[1:04:55] year so 2024 it was a negative 618,000.

[1:05:00] So you go from 618,000 to 11,000 that's

[1:05:03] quite an improvement in your operating

[1:05:05] cash. Now your average was still high.

[1:05:07] The average was 659,000 loss for the

[1:05:09] three years. But uh if you look at just

[1:05:13] 24 and just 25 change, it improved

[1:05:16] significantly and [clears throat] it

[1:05:17] improved a lot from 2023 which was 1.1

[1:05:20] million. So 1.1 million down to 618 down

[1:05:23] to 11,000. So yes,

[1:05:25] >> that one hopefully maybe next year

[1:05:27] that'll turn into you know it'll fall

[1:05:28] off. Maybe that one will fall off. That

[1:05:30] would be great.

[1:05:33] >> Are they aware of their issues before

[1:05:35] you even audit them?

[1:05:37] >> I think so. I mean, they have they have an See, let me make sure

[1:05:40] before I talk. Yeah, they have a an

[1:05:42] internal loan and an internal loan.

[1:05:44] What's that what they call it? That's a

[1:05:46] borrowing. It's like negative cash. It's

[1:05:47] a borrowing from the university. And

[1:05:49] that increased from 953,000 to 1 point

[1:05:52] almost 2 million. So, it's a cash

[1:05:55] deficit basically. And so they're very

[1:05:58] aware of it, you know, having to you

[1:05:59] borrowing like that. Yeah, they're aware

[1:06:01] of it. And they talk about that a little

[1:06:02] bit in their MDNA, the management's

[1:06:04] discussion analysis. They'll talk about,

[1:06:06] you know, they're they're still

[1:06:07] struggling um with competition. So after

[1:06:10] COVID and then having other venues

[1:06:13] presenting a lot of these, you know,

[1:06:15] productions, they're still struggling, I

[1:06:17] think, with that competition. That's

[1:06:18] what they say. And so they they're

[1:06:20] trying to mix up the, you know, the

[1:06:22] seasons and, you know, what they're

[1:06:23] presenting, that kind of thing. But

[1:06:25] that's that's kind of what they they

[1:06:27] keep talking about every year is like

[1:06:29] we're getting better on this, but we're

[1:06:30] still struggling with this and trying

[1:06:32] to, you know, how are we going to how

[1:06:35] are we going to get more people back to,

[1:06:37] you know, coming to us. And so that that

[1:06:40] is something they're aware of and they

[1:06:41] do talk about. So

[1:06:43] >> they did provide an extra letter this

[1:06:44] year for for um Tori and for you. It was

[1:06:47] in like [clears throat] the attachments

[1:06:48] visuals, but it was a document that said

[1:06:50] a letter from the CEO. Um, we met with

[1:06:53] them last year based on a warning letter

[1:06:55] that y'all asked us to do. Um, and we

[1:06:58] did say if you have these extra things

[1:06:59] that you want to share how you're

[1:07:00] changing trajectory, but we're just

[1:07:01] behind financially by a year or two. So,

[1:07:03] the board can't see the most up to date,

[1:07:05] put that letter in there. So, I'm not

[1:07:06] sure if you had a chance, but they tried

[1:07:07] to address like reflecting back co was

[1:07:10] more impactful than people think and we

[1:07:12] might be the only ones still talking

[1:07:14] about it, but if you really do

[1:07:15] reflective nationwide what we do and

[1:07:18] reflect backwards, it is still an issue.

[1:07:20] Um, and so I don't know if you had a

[1:07:21] chance, but it was for Tori and for for

[1:07:23] y'all, but um,

[1:07:25] >> they did say Oh, sorry. They just said

[1:07:26] they set up a repayment plan with the

[1:07:28] university for the outstanding cash

[1:07:30] deficit. So that is, you know, Samantha,

[1:07:33] I don't I'm not sure I have that letter.

[1:07:36] What your

[1:07:37] >> Sorry, I can get it to you. It's from

[1:07:38] Submittable. It's just it's from this,

[1:07:40] you know, just saying uh

[1:07:42] >> the position that they're in

[1:07:44] financially. And because I said one of

[1:07:45] the things the board doesn't love is the

[1:07:47] mention of co continuation of co when

[1:07:49] you're kind sort of the only one

[1:07:50] mentioning it. So can you address that

[1:07:52] please? And I just said could you add

[1:07:54] the extra letter from the CEO trying to

[1:07:56] address the board's concerns around you

[1:07:58] still reflecting on your financial

[1:08:00] issues are tied to co and so that was in

[1:08:04] there. Um I'll add a couple other things

[1:08:05] that might be helpful before the board

[1:08:06] ask questions. Um so Pioneer this is

[1:08:09] their third third year failing. Um and

[1:08:12] so they got a negative three. So that's

[1:08:14] the change in dynamic that you'll see on

[1:08:16] the score. Um

[1:08:17] >> a big difference.

[1:08:18] >> Uh Utah

[1:08:20] Festival failed for the first time since

[1:08:22] I've been here. So they have a negative

[1:08:24] one. That was this year. That's the

[1:08:25] second one that Tori mentioned.

[1:08:27] >> Utah Arts Alliance failed last year, but

[1:08:30] came off this year. Um and so they have

[1:08:33] a negative one as well. That'll change

[1:08:34] their score from your score. And then

[1:08:37] Salt Lake Acting Company failed three

[1:08:40] years ago and they came off right away.

[1:08:41] They fail right off the list. So, so

[1:08:43] they're not they're not on it anymore.

[1:08:45] Um, and they had they have a negative

[1:08:48] one as well. So, there's only four of

[1:08:50] the 26 applicants that have an impact

[1:08:54] different from your score versus adding

[1:08:56] in her um Cory's um none of the

[1:09:00] Zoologicals had any uh the organizations

[1:09:03] that failed last year that received a

[1:09:06] warning letter or a caution letter um or

[1:09:09] had to do the financial health

[1:09:10] improvement plan. Remember, if they

[1:09:12] fail, they have to do a financial health

[1:09:13] improvement plan. They have to submit it

[1:09:15] to us addressing the things that you and

[1:09:18] mostly what Tori addressed with them. Um

[1:09:20] they're all in good standing. They have

[1:09:21] turned in the reports and at the

[1:09:23] beginning of September, they owe a

[1:09:24] progress report. So, so everybody's in

[1:09:26] good standing on the letters and on um

[1:09:29] the financial health improvement.

[1:09:31] >> So, that will be the expectation to

[1:09:33] these two.

[1:09:34] >> Yes, that's a good point. So, this year

[1:09:36] I will contact them again, again, this

[1:09:37] is after council and say, "Here's the

[1:09:39] guidelines. This is what the board

[1:09:40] wants. I'll give them Tori's report

[1:09:42] again. This is Tori's comments and

[1:09:43] report. Here's how you scored. You know,

[1:09:45] please make sure you address these

[1:09:46] things specifically. They'll report it

[1:09:48] to us. I review it first review.

[1:09:50] Sometimes the team helps and then um I

[1:09:52] give it to Matt because Matt's, you

[1:09:53] know, he's the guy. Um and so he's got

[1:09:56] the experience and he'll ask any

[1:09:58] follow-up questions that he might have

[1:09:59] and we ask any that we have. Um this

[1:10:01] last year we didn't have to ask anybody

[1:10:02] any follow-up questions. They were solid

[1:10:04] comments. So,

[1:10:06] >> we're all in good standing on those. any

[1:10:08] anything else you you want to does the

[1:10:10] board have questions about the tests or

[1:10:12] this year versus last year or anything

[1:10:15] or any information?

[1:10:16] >> Anything that's cloudy to you?

[1:10:18] >> I have a question. So, say that one of

[1:10:21] them was down this last year came up

[1:10:24] this year. If they go back down, it's

[1:10:26] still for the three years they're being

[1:10:29] like they have a year in between. Yes.

[1:10:32] >> Yeah. So, uh we did clean up the rubric

[1:10:34] again. Last year's rubric and before was

[1:10:36] kind of longer. Cody went ahead and

[1:10:37] cleaned that up. So, it's still valid

[1:10:39] for three years. If you failed, it's

[1:10:40] still going to have an impact on your

[1:10:42] score. Um, obviously not as strong of an

[1:10:44] impact if you only fail one, which is

[1:10:46] what three of these did.

[1:10:47] >> Yeah.

[1:10:48] >> Um, but you're right, does stay valid on

[1:10:50] scoring even if she passes them through

[1:10:52] the years. Um,

[1:10:56] just one thing, but I [clears throat]

[1:10:57] wanted to say one more thing about this

[1:11:01] financial health test. Um, oh, before we move on to talk about related

[1:11:06] party transactions, I just wanted to um

[1:11:10] pull up the word document that is the

[1:11:17] strengths and weaknesses. Uh, again,

[1:11:19] Tori looked through all your comments

[1:11:20] through joint comments and said she

[1:11:22] understood them and they were all fine

[1:11:24] except for two. Cod and I went ahead and

[1:11:27] um updated. Let me pull them up. One was

[1:11:30] for

[1:11:33] emoka. So let me click on emoka.

[1:11:36] [snorts] Oh, it's the word. It won't

[1:11:43] let me

[1:11:47] on page 19.

[1:11:48] >> Okay.

[1:11:51] So, we just wanted to point these

[1:11:53] two things out just really quick while

[1:11:54] we have her before we move on to related

[1:11:56] party transactions. I don't have page

[1:11:58] numbers, but I can see on my side

[1:12:02] 16. Okay, we're close.

[1:12:05] >> Okay.

[1:12:06] >> Right after natural history.

[1:12:09] >> Okay. So, there was one in here that we

[1:12:14] >> um financial report sites while one

[1:12:16] reviewer was more than two years old

[1:12:17] raising documentation currency

[1:12:19] questions. And so, Cody and I just added

[1:12:21] that FY for this particular

[1:12:23] organization, their fiscal year ended in

[1:12:25] June. And so I I I think this might have

[1:12:28] been your comment, Peter, but I'm not

[1:12:30] sure. Um, and so we just want to say uh

[1:12:32] June is the latest we have now. It's

[1:12:34] been whatever their fiscal year in does

[1:12:35] feel a little older than the December

[1:12:37] [clears throat] or September, but it is

[1:12:39] the newest and that's what we asked for

[1:12:41] is the most recently completed fiscal

[1:12:42] year. So by it feels like the currency

[1:12:44] is off. It's actually okay unless

[1:12:47] somebody else meant something else by

[1:12:48] that comment. Uh that [clears throat]

[1:12:50] was one ones that Tori was like, you

[1:12:52] know, wait a second. Let's chat through

[1:12:53] that one really quick. Anybody have any

[1:12:55] questions on that?

[1:12:57] >> What was the other one?

[1:12:58] >> Film Society and that's on page nine.

[1:13:02] >> Yeah, that one had to do with an ongoing

[1:13:04] operating deficit since COVID with bad

[1:13:06] debt expense increasing. I'm like I

[1:13:08] don't know.

[1:13:10] Unless it's an internal, you know, maybe

[1:13:12] it's a subsequent financial statement

[1:13:13] too like you're talking about or maybe

[1:13:15] it's an internal budget. I'm not sure

[1:13:17] what it's talking about operating

[1:13:19] deficit.

[1:13:20] >> I can't see the for reason.

[1:13:22] >> Yes. Remember how

[1:13:23] >> I can share?

[1:13:25] >> Let's have you share. I'm going to stop

[1:13:27] sharing.

[1:13:28] >> Yeah, I can see the strength.

[1:13:30] >> Okay, great.

[1:13:35] » Can you all see that one? It's This is

[1:13:37] Was this one?

[1:13:38] >> This is Salt Lake film.

[1:13:40] >> Oh, film. Sorry.

[1:13:40] >> Salt Lake Film Society.

[1:13:42] >> Okay.

[1:13:43] >> Oh, yeah. That is

[1:13:44] >> one that that um Tori didn't have a

[1:13:47] response to or wasn't able to say

[1:13:48] accurate or inaccurate. So, I'm not sure

[1:13:49] who made it, but I just wanted to bring

[1:13:50] that to your attention that we're not

[1:13:51] able to substantiate that or not.

[1:13:53] Anybody remember that or have questions

[1:13:55] for Tori about that?

[1:13:56] >> I didn't have that. I only got

[1:13:58] >> I think I brought that up

[1:14:01] >> there related to their um [clears throat]

[1:14:07] licensing issues with the film festival

[1:14:13] and the legal. It was like I anyway, I

[1:14:18] don't know what it was. in the

[1:14:19] financials. Was it in financials or was

[1:14:20] it in like a narrative?

[1:14:23] >> Um,

[1:14:25] it was in the narrative narrative.

[1:14:28] >> All right. Do you remember about

[1:14:29] anything like that in their financials?

[1:14:31] >> It was like 63,000

[1:14:33] in bad debt or something and I didn't

[1:14:35] know.

[1:14:36] >> Oh, let me pull that up.

[1:14:45] » Tower and stuff. [clears throat]

[1:14:48] Yeah, I don't know

[1:14:52] how it was kind of

[1:14:55] like

[1:14:56] >> right.

[1:14:57] >> Yeah, they they did have an increase in

[1:14:58] bad debt. The allowance did increase

[1:15:00] from 8,900 to 60,000, but their

[1:15:04] financials are off the charts. I mean,

[1:15:06] they have their their working capital is

[1:15:09] 5 million in current assets and only 1

[1:15:11] million in current liabilities. So,

[1:15:13] their working capital is hugely

[1:15:14] positive. They're without donor

[1:15:16] restrictions is $4 and a half million

[1:15:18] dollars.

[1:15:20] >> So they have uh their debt ratio is less

[1:15:23] than 0.02.

[1:15:26] Uh their their change in net assets for

[1:15:29] last year was 326,000

[1:15:31] and their cash operations was basically

[1:15:34] a positive. They average over two

[1:15:36] million. So they're they're super

[1:15:39] healthy. That's why I was curious about

[1:15:40] this operating deficit because I'm like

[1:15:41] maybe it's an internal budget or

[1:15:43] something that I don't know about. But

[1:15:45] from their financials, I'm like, "Wow,

[1:15:47] this is these are great numbers." So,

[1:15:50] >> I think it's the proof that the

[1:15:52] narrative can be very confusing in the

[1:15:54] application.

[1:15:55] >> I'm sure my financial ignorant

[1:15:59] no,

[1:16:01] you know,

[1:16:01] >> sometimes that could have been two

[1:16:02] people's comments, too. Don't forget we

[1:16:04] used a little AI. So, that could have

[1:16:06] been like two people's comments that it

[1:16:08] put together that someone was concerned

[1:16:09] with this is going to read the same

[1:16:10] narrative as you are. And then there's a

[1:16:12] second narative. So, it could be two

[1:16:13] people. because they were

[1:16:15] >> Oh, it's

[1:16:17] [laughter]

[1:16:19] again that's why we had them checked

[1:16:20] because remember with AI you just check right verify confirm and so that's

[1:16:25] probably two people's comments is what

[1:16:27] Cody down to probably people

[1:16:30] >> it's strike those

[1:16:32] >> is that okay if we do that okay

[1:16:34] >> okay let's move on to strike

[1:16:37] >> I'm sorry [laughter]

[1:16:41] » uh related party transactions

[1:16:44] Okay.

[1:16:45] >> Okay. So, did

[1:16:46] >> Oh, go ahead.

[1:16:47] >> Can I ask a question? Did you want me to

[1:16:48] do the same thing with each arts

[1:16:50] festival or not that we did for Pioneer

[1:16:51] Theater?

[1:16:51] >> Oh, sure. Sure. I apologize. Sorry.

[1:16:54] >> I I just don't I don't know. And I And

[1:16:56] I'll for you.

[1:16:58] >> I'm getting into it right now. So, let

[1:16:59] me look. Uh let's see which ones did

[1:17:02] they fail. They failed three and five.

[1:17:04] Okay. So,

[1:17:07] number three, the number that we used

[1:17:10] for 2025 in that average was worse than

[1:17:12] the prior two years. So, that one's a

[1:17:14] little bit worse.

[1:17:16] >> And then, um, and cash flow, let me look

[1:17:20] at that one, was worse.

[1:17:23] So, actually, it's quite a bit worse.

[1:17:25] Um, in 2024, they had a positive. So I'm

[1:17:28] talking about financial health test

[1:17:29] three. Their change in unrestricted

[1:17:32] or net assets without donor restrict was

[1:17:36] positive 62 and they went down to a

[1:17:38] negative 92. And then in cash flow on

[1:17:41] financial health test 5. In 2024 they

[1:17:44] had a positive 55 but they had a

[1:17:46] negative 20 I mean negative 47,000. So

[1:17:49] those two did worsen but but better than

[1:17:54] 2023. So, [laughter]

[1:17:56] so anyway, the Yeah. So, anyway, I just

[1:17:59] thought I'd give you that to if you

[1:18:00] wanted to know that. So, 2020 uh four

[1:18:03] were better numbers than than the than

[1:18:06] the current year than 2025 were. So,

[1:18:09] >> Utah Arts Festival.

[1:18:12] >> Any other questions?

[1:18:14] >> That's an indicator

[1:18:16] festival quality,

[1:18:18] the user experience there. I really do.

[1:18:23] Any

[1:18:25] other questions?

[1:18:29] [clears throat]

[1:18:29] >> Hey,

[1:18:31] I know Samantha just went to go take

[1:18:33] just a quick health break, but we'll

[1:18:35] talk about um probably related party

[1:18:38] transactions in the next. So, if you

[1:18:40] want to go ahead um and get that

[1:18:42] document

[1:18:44] um squared up.

[1:18:46] So, it'll look like this.

[1:18:48] >> Yep. and we'll put it on the um Samantha

[1:18:50] will put it a little bit on the on the

[1:18:52] screen

[1:18:54] when she gets back.

[1:18:56] Um the purpose of the document um so the

[1:19:00] guides 1031 give the the advisory board

[1:19:03] discretion to allow or disallow related

[1:19:06] party transactions exceeding 5,000 in

[1:19:10] the aggregate uh when determining an

[1:19:12] applicant's qualified operating

[1:19:14] expenditures. That's just right up here

[1:19:15] in the purpose part of that document.

[1:19:19] Okay. Um, the board practice that was

[1:19:22] adopted and during the orientation, the

[1:19:24] ZAP staff prepared a summary following

[1:19:27] review of the transaction information in

[1:19:29] consultation with with Tori. Um, we

[1:19:33] we're briefing the executive committee

[1:19:35] and presenting noteworthy information

[1:19:36] and recommendations to the advisory

[1:19:38] board for action when appropriate. Um,

[1:19:43] the [clears throat] list of factors the

[1:19:44] advisory board may consider. These are

[1:19:46] from policy the 1031.

[1:19:48] And then around consistency reminders.

[1:19:51] Samantha, do you want to chat chime in

[1:19:53] about that one?

[1:19:54] >> Yeah. Um, so again, this is something

[1:19:56] that Tori has really taught us over the

[1:19:57] last few years is that applying it

[1:19:59] consistently for each organization. And

[1:20:02] so today, I'll talk about some

[1:20:03] comparisons of what you approved last

[1:20:04] year versus this year so you can feel it

[1:20:06] consistency as well as what proof they

[1:20:08] provided. So basically, I hope I'm not

[1:20:10] going over anything, but okay. Um, uh,

[1:20:13] typically if it's under $5,000, the

[1:20:16] board doesn't review it. They don't need

[1:20:17] to provide proof of leadership

[1:20:19] understanding it or approving it either.

[1:20:21] Um, we just allow it to be a qualified

[1:20:23] expense that counts towards their

[1:20:25] qualifying expenditures, which counts

[1:20:26] towards how you calculate their award.

[1:20:28] If it's over $5,000,

[1:20:31] um, the we make the board aware of it

[1:20:33] and the [clears throat] organization can

[1:20:34] decide whether they want the board to

[1:20:37] consider it as part of qualifying

[1:20:38] expenditures that goes towards their

[1:20:40] award or not. There is an organization

[1:20:42] that had more qualifying expenditures

[1:20:44] over $5,000 that decided not to have the

[1:20:47] board look at it and then they want them

[1:20:48] all counted as unqualified,

[1:20:50] >> which is their decision. The rest

[1:20:52] [clears throat] of them have procedures

[1:20:53] in their organization. Again, this is

[1:20:55] consistency that their leadership um

[1:20:58] accepted the transaction and approved

[1:21:01] the transaction. I'll get into those in

[1:21:02] a second, but that that's the

[1:21:04] consistency is that she feels like it

[1:21:05] should be the same factors um for

[1:21:08] everyone um and that we ought to look at

[1:21:11] year-over-year how it's done. So, we did

[1:21:13] that. Um right here, this is Oh, do you

[1:21:15] have a question? Okay, so at the glance

[1:21:18] that a little bit bigger

[1:21:21] uh this is at the at a glance of this

[1:21:23] year's um so this year's again uh it's a

[1:21:27] funny thing. Um, so on the notification,

[1:21:31] we forgot this question and so Tori was

[1:21:34] the one that found it, but we didn't

[1:21:36] have it. So I emailed them all

[1:21:37] individually. One group email let us

[1:21:40] know what these are and we got responses

[1:21:42] we've never seen before. We were

[1:21:43] inundated with people who did not report

[1:21:46] did not have that reported and so

[1:21:48] started around 15 and we got it down to

[1:21:50] 10. But basically some of them don't

[1:21:51] count. Some of them are real estate

[1:21:52] transactions or some of them are

[1:21:54] something that's going to be like a

[1:21:55] vehicle that's going to be advertised.

[1:21:57] those those don't count. Uh we had one

[1:21:59] that said, "Don't worry about just count

[1:22:00] them all unqualified. We don't we don't

[1:22:02] care. We're all unqualified. We don't

[1:22:03] have a process with our leadership to do

[1:22:05] this, etc., etc." So, um this year, this

[1:22:09] is what the amount is. Uh altogether,

[1:22:11] there's four transactions um that are

[1:22:14] being asked to um be approved above the

[1:22:17] 5,000 to be counted towards qualifying

[1:22:19] expenditures. Altogether, this dollar

[1:22:21] amount is uh uh $1,651

[1:22:25] and $517, sorry. So, it's basically 1.6

[1:22:30] is what they're asking for. Um last

[1:22:32] year, uh you approved three

[1:22:34] organizations and that amount was 1.3

[1:22:37] million. It's 1,363

[1:22:40] 627 and the difference Cody is

[1:22:44] >> 287,000.

[1:22:46] >> That's what the difference is here. So

[1:22:49] last year's um were three that were

[1:22:51] repeat transactions that we've approved

[1:22:53] since I've been here. I've never seen a

[1:22:55] different than that. Always sees three.

[1:22:56] One fell off, which is amazing. One of

[1:22:59] the granties bought their own building.

[1:23:00] You probably know who it is. And there

[1:23:02] was able to fall off and so they had had

[1:23:03] some discount rant from a board member,

[1:23:05] but theirs go off. And then um again

[1:23:07] this year with us asking this question

[1:23:09] up front, we got way more responses

[1:23:11] people doing this. Matt's very happy.

[1:23:13] Matt does want related parties disclosed

[1:23:15] whether it's under or above or whether

[1:23:17] they want to count it or not. He wants

[1:23:19] them listed because he wants them

[1:23:20] clearly not to be un in the qualified if

[1:23:24] they're really unqualified. He doesn't

[1:23:26] want things us board the taxpayer paying

[1:23:30] for um ones that aren't approved by the

[1:23:33] board as qualified. Does that make sense

[1:23:35] in their QES? And so it was good. And so

[1:23:37] Tori and I and Cody are going to do some

[1:23:39] things next year to bring this up more

[1:23:40] that we want more of these disclosed. We

[1:23:42] want to know about them. and the board

[1:23:43] needs to be understanding them. Um, and

[1:23:45] so that was a learning experience. So

[1:23:46] even though we didn't love that missing

[1:23:48] it on the application, we all learned a

[1:23:50] ton unfortunately unfortunately. Do you

[1:23:52] have anything to laugh? Okay, [laughter]

[1:23:54] so there's four this year. Again, uh,

[1:23:57] what we typically do is we just um, I

[1:23:59] just let you know by the summaries right

[1:24:00] here that we have. Redbute Garden is a

[1:24:03] new one. Again, they were great to work

[1:24:05] with. Uh, Tori asked them some follow-up

[1:24:07] questions and they had it. It's it's not

[1:24:08] very much money. Um, you can see what

[1:24:10] it's for. A lot of times it's under

[1:24:12] marketing and commban to be honest with

[1:24:14] you. That's the most most common ones

[1:24:15] that we've seen so far. And you can see

[1:24:18] that um that they were able to uh get

[1:24:21] approval through um leadership um and

[1:24:25] then they have that they imposed the

[1:24:27] University of Utah's conflict of

[1:24:28] interest policy. So this is above board

[1:24:29] the university knows about it. Um and so

[1:24:32] this one was kind of a no-brainer and so

[1:24:34] um my recommendation to staff is to

[1:24:36] allow Do you have any comments on this

[1:24:37] one?

[1:24:39] me me. No, I I do remember um a few

[1:24:43] years ago that this this is a similar

[1:24:45] thing to a few years ago and it was

[1:24:47] allowed by the board as well. Um so if

[1:24:50] you know if you decide you allow it or

[1:24:52] not, they just basically said this you

[1:24:54] know we've been with this vendor for a

[1:24:55] while and so you know that just because

[1:24:57] it came on the board doesn't mean now we

[1:24:58] don't want that vendor. That that's in

[1:25:00] the past but this is very similar to

[1:25:02] that and it might even be the same

[1:25:03] company. So that's just from my

[1:25:06] recollection on that. But um this is for

[1:25:08] like they said sprinting, what is it?

[1:25:10] Graphic designed, you know, and that

[1:25:12] kind of thing. So

[1:25:14] >> the next one is a repeat transaction.

[1:25:16] This has been here since inside before

[1:25:18] my time. Um and so this is something

[1:25:23] video.

[1:25:25] >> Um and so it is a family member, but

[1:25:27] it's above board and they again have the

[1:25:30] university purchasing process that they

[1:25:32] go through and they did go through for

[1:25:33] this. Um, and then, um, the contract

[1:25:36] actually runs through 29. So, clearly

[1:25:38] the university knows this is going on

[1:25:39] and this continues to go on. So, this

[1:25:41] was kind of a no-brainer as well.

[1:25:43] [snorts] It's a repeat and it has the

[1:25:45] backing of the essentially sort of, you

[1:25:47] could say, the university's knowledge um

[1:25:49] through the contract process. S25. Um,

[1:25:51] again, um, I recommended that be

[1:25:53] allowed. Um, did you have any questions

[1:25:57] or comments on that one? That's a

[1:25:58] repeat, so probably not, but

[1:26:00] >> no.

[1:26:01] >> Uh, the symphonies, this is a repeat. I

[1:26:04] think this one's been here longer than

[1:26:05] me, but I I can't quite remember when

[1:26:07] this one came on. They're just asking

[1:26:09] for the cash portion. They have a

[1:26:11] relationship with um a a firm, a larger

[1:26:15] firm, the marketing communications firm

[1:26:16] here in town. Um and uh they did the

[1:26:19] whole process internally about conflict

[1:26:21] of interest. They always provide us

[1:26:22] extra extra proof. I know Tori sees more

[1:26:24] of proof than we do, but they always

[1:26:26] provide tons of proof to her about board

[1:26:27] minutes have approved it and all those

[1:26:29] kinds of things.

[1:26:30] >> This is a board members business, right?

[1:26:32] Uh it's relationship

[1:26:35] >> works form. Yeah. Let me see.

[1:26:36] >> Yeah. Um and so this one again has been

[1:26:39] here for a minute. Um it's about the

[1:26:41] same as it was last year. It's just the

[1:26:42] cash portion. Did you want to add

[1:26:44] anything since this is the largest one?

[1:26:45] Did you want to add anything that they always provide extra information to

[1:26:48] us?

[1:26:49] Well, what they had said is the board

[1:26:51] trustee does not actively work in the

[1:26:53] organization's account and the majority

[1:26:55] of advertising dollars merely passed

[1:26:57] through the advertising company to the

[1:26:59] advertising medium and management has

[1:27:01] determined that the purchases were

[1:27:02] conducted at arms length which is kind

[1:27:03] of like third party. Um, and they did

[1:27:06] provide copies of the ethical code of

[1:27:08] conduct conflict of interest signed by

[1:27:10] the board member and uh I think that was

[1:27:14] it. So, as it as it pointed out here,

[1:27:17] the total is 1,696,000,

[1:27:20] but 113,000 of that is in kind. So, it's

[1:27:22] automatically disallowed on another line

[1:27:25] item for incind expenses. So, it is as

[1:27:28] Samantha said, is it okay to dis allow

[1:27:31] or disallow the 1,583,000

[1:27:34] that's left over? That's the cash. So,

[1:27:36] basically saying he's not involved in

[1:27:37] it. you know, he works for him. He's not

[1:27:39] involved with that and it just passes

[1:27:41] through and

[1:27:43] >> that's there and and the board's aware

[1:27:45] of it. He signed a conflict of interest

[1:27:47] statement. So,

[1:27:49] >> recommending that that be allowed. This

[1:27:51] is a new one that we discovered again

[1:27:52] this year when we did the questions that

[1:27:54] wasn't in the Q originally.

[1:27:56] >> Um, but this is a new one and um they

[1:27:59] actually have this in their um employee

[1:28:01] manual that talks about conflicts and

[1:28:03] how those conflicts are handled if

[1:28:04] there's a relationship. Um, and so these

[1:28:07] have a few different smaller ones, but

[1:28:09] um, you can see the organization. They

[1:28:11] do a lot of things for brief, so you

[1:28:12] could only imagine it. But, um,

[1:28:14] everything we looked at and reviewed

[1:28:15] regarding it, um, that the family member

[1:28:18] wasn't involved. It was fair market

[1:28:19] value. It was reasonably priced. Again,

[1:28:21] this is, while these are all smaller, it

[1:28:23] does add up to the 31 283. Um, I

[1:28:27] recommended it be allowed. Tori, do you

[1:28:29] want to make a comment since this is a

[1:28:30] new one?

[1:28:31] >> Uh, no. I just just like you were saying

[1:28:33] that sometimes it's owned by a family

[1:28:35] member of a staff member or owned by a

[1:28:37] staff member like the the catering

[1:28:39] services or and one of them was a board

[1:28:40] member but I think you said that too

[1:28:41] they've recused themselves from that and

[1:28:44] there's some kind of a authority where

[1:28:46] you don't have supervised responsibility

[1:28:47] over another family member or related a

[1:28:49] party. So they do have some something

[1:28:52] like that in place and they and they

[1:28:54] also said I think they said um it was

[1:28:56] all at fair market value at competitive

[1:28:58] and reasonable prices and that the uh

[1:29:00] let's see and that they identify them I

[1:29:04] think through board members. So I think

[1:29:06] that the board's aware of it and

[1:29:09] through their policy they you know there

[1:29:11] there's not conflicting like a staff

[1:29:13] member is not overseeing that particular

[1:29:15] staff member's services.

[1:29:19] So

[1:29:21] Um, other questions about related party

[1:29:24] transactions. Again, the reason we're

[1:29:25] looking at these is is uh it would be

[1:29:27] counted towards their qualifying

[1:29:29] expenditures, but you will go once you

[1:29:31] vote, she goes back and recalculates and

[1:29:33] adds that stuff to the end,

[1:29:35] >> right?

[1:29:36] >> Depending on if you allow or disallow.

[1:29:37] Typically, the vote is a motion is for

[1:29:39] all four at one time. That's what you've

[1:29:41] asked for. Um, so I'll just leave it up

[1:29:43] to

[1:29:44] >> Yep. Um, Mr. Sure. I'm going to motion

[1:29:47] that we approve all four related party

[1:29:50] transactions as recommended by staff.

[1:29:53] >> Do we have a second?

[1:29:55] >> Okay, everybody agree?

[1:29:58] >> I say I.

[1:30:00] >> Okay.

[1:30:00] >> Any uh opposition to it?

[1:30:03] >> No. Okay, it's approved.

[1:30:05] >> Great.

[1:30:06] >> Good. Okay, that makes that easy. And it's good, too. I like that because

[1:30:09] I mean, we didn't really address this,

[1:30:11] but related party transactions aren't

[1:30:13] necessarily a bad thing. they they want

[1:30:15] to point it out always disclose because

[1:30:16] a lot of times the related parties are

[1:30:19] getting favorable things hurting the

[1:30:20] organization you know I mean that's why

[1:30:22] it's a disclosure even even in non not

[1:30:24] nonprofits and for-profit you know

[1:30:26] that's a it's a big disclosure we still

[1:30:28] have to disclose any I'm doing a review

[1:30:30] right now we have to disclose you know

[1:30:32] how with the notes with them the

[1:30:33] interest we paid to them and all that

[1:30:35] kind of stuff but a lot of times it's

[1:30:36] because and this is back from old

[1:30:38] government work you know like rent might

[1:30:40] be overcharged you know userious

[1:30:42] basically and so that's what they want

[1:30:44] to be careful about. But when they're

[1:30:46] when they claim that they're arms length

[1:30:47] and related to part transactions a lot

[1:30:48] of times benefit the organization. So

[1:30:50] there's a lot of times positive things

[1:30:52] too. So anyway, so that that's just good

[1:30:54] to know. And I and they did go so far

[1:30:58] this year too to say the board was aware

[1:31:00] we think it's fair market value and and

[1:31:02] so you know they're not benefiting off

[1:31:04] of this. So I think that makes sense. So

[1:31:08] anyway, so that's just something with

[1:31:09] regulated parties. It's not always a bad

[1:31:11] connotation. Sometimes it's a positive.

[1:31:13] So,

[1:31:14] >> I like it. And I think from your vote,

[1:31:16] right, you're looking at them as

[1:31:17] positive. So, I'm going to go ahead and

[1:31:19] update all the checklists and if they

[1:31:20] report it, I'll take it off and allow

[1:31:23] it. And uh we'll just keep it that way

[1:31:25] except for that one theater or that one

[1:31:27] um that one organization that wanted to

[1:31:30] leave it on. So,

[1:31:32] I think that's clear. Thank you.

[1:31:35] >> Other questions before Tori departs

[1:31:37] before we get into our reviews related

[1:31:38] to reviews that could be helpful?

[1:31:41] She usually does stay on tune, so if I

[1:31:43] have to message her or call her on the

[1:31:44] side, I can. We've never done that, but

[1:31:46] again, she's always lets us know that

[1:31:47] she's available for us all day during

[1:31:49] all day reviews if we do get into some

[1:31:51] sort of snare on a financial related

[1:31:53] issue. Tori, do you have any departing

[1:31:55] words or anything that you'd like to

[1:31:57] share? I'm guessing not, but I'd like to

[1:31:59] give you a chance.

[1:32:00] >> No, I think I think that was all we

[1:32:02] needed. That's all I

[1:32:05] Thank you. Good questions, guys. Good

[1:32:07] questions. So, all right. Let me know if

[1:32:09] you need anything. All right.

[1:32:11] Byebye.

[1:32:13] Mr. Chair, I I wonder if five minute

[1:32:16] >> bio break would be okay.

[1:32:17] >> People would like go ahead

[1:32:20] try to come back here in 5 minutes.

[1:32:22] We're on fine.

[1:39:13] all the time. It's not.

[1:39:15] >> So, we're we're going to uh get onto the meat of today's agenda with respect

[1:39:20] to the various reviews. I think um my

[1:39:24] understanding is we're we're going to

[1:39:25] probably get to one or so applicants. Uh

[1:39:29] there's a photographer setting up so

[1:39:31] we'll get our photography or pictures

[1:39:33] taken. So we'll stop with that and then

[1:39:35] have a little bit longer lunch break. Uh

[1:39:39] anybody have a objection to that motion?

[1:39:42] So probably take the next five 10

[1:39:44] minutes to to start the review. So I'll

[1:39:47] just follow this Samantha.

[1:39:49] >> Oh.

[1:39:49] you want us. Okay. So you follow

[1:39:52] >> Oh. Yeah. Yes. I think we have about a

[1:39:54] couple talking points here, don't we?

[1:39:56] >> Okay. So just a reminder, eight minutes

[1:39:58] for applicant, uh 3 minutes for the lead

[1:40:00] review or 5 minutes for discussion.

[1:40:03] And if the cards don't tell you, he's

[1:40:05] very transparent. So his face will tell

[1:40:06] you. I'm telling you now. This guy is

[1:40:08] very transparent. Um so just remember,

[1:40:10] we've already captured your thoughts. So

[1:40:12] the discussions things not yet captured

[1:40:14] that Dustin can put in his notes and

[1:40:16] this for a good discussion. Um again,

[1:40:18] remember they're all eligible.

[1:40:20] Um I think that's it. I think Mr. chair.

[1:40:25] There's just a couple bullet points for

[1:40:27] you, but I think I said them sort of.

[1:40:28] So, maybe we're maybe we're

[1:40:30] >> I think she appropriated my opportunity

[1:40:32] to [laughter]

[1:40:35] » So, uh, dance is first.

[1:40:39] >> Um, ballet west is the first one. And I

[1:40:41] believe that's Amy's

[1:40:43] >> Oh, the honorable Amy, her first

[1:40:46] presentation.

[1:40:47] >> Oh, boy.

[1:40:47] >> Set the tone, please.

[1:40:50] >> Try, you know, I could read all of the

[1:40:53] really impressive things. Uh, I'm just

[1:40:56] gonna share a couple little stories.

[1:40:59] I'm new to Utah, so had never been to

[1:41:02] Ballet West and I really wanted to go to

[1:41:05] Capitol Theater, so I went on my own

[1:41:08] just to see uh Westside Story and it was

[1:41:13] just magical. Uh, it was a great

[1:41:15] introduction to

[1:41:18] experiencing these organizations and um

[1:41:21] I parked a little bit far away so um

[1:41:24] thought it'd be great to wear my new

[1:41:26] little ballet shoes to go with my little

[1:41:28] outfit and go in there and um course

[1:41:31] they did not work well on the way back

[1:41:33] to the car. So I ended up needing

[1:41:36] band-aids when I got home and those kind

[1:41:37] of shoes I need to other than that uh

[1:41:41] just seeing them perform chatting with

[1:41:44] the people on either side of me. One

[1:41:46] woman was doing the six program gets $20

[1:41:51] a program she and her husband. So I

[1:41:53] thought, "Wow, that's that's

[1:41:54] accessible." And then on the other side

[1:41:56] of me was someone that had a family

[1:41:58] member that was in the orchestra. So I

[1:42:01] chatted with her,

[1:42:04] went for my review after having just

[1:42:07] read the application and

[1:42:10] got out my initial questions because I'd

[1:42:14] only experienced ballet from a

[1:42:16] nutcracker with my kids in Pittsburgh

[1:42:18] kind of thing. So I I got to ask a lot

[1:42:21] of questions about just um when you see

[1:42:24] the two top people, how does that

[1:42:27] interaction work between artistic and

[1:42:30] running a ballet company and how do you

[1:42:34] protect the dancers from too much

[1:42:36] pressure and how to take care of their

[1:42:38] emotional health? So, I got a lot of

[1:42:41] really helpful information about that

[1:42:44] and and then I got a tour and I was just

[1:42:49] blown away by complexity of it. The to

[1:42:54] see what the shoe locker is alone.

[1:42:56] [laughter] What goes into that? It's

[1:42:58] like a mail room. And I don't know if

[1:43:00] you've all seen it or not, but each

[1:43:03] performance

[1:43:05] each in the back looks like a Tupperware

[1:43:07] container with all that person that

[1:43:10] dancers shoes for different

[1:43:12] performances. And then someone actually

[1:43:14] works behind a screen that opens up and

[1:43:17] then there's little cubbies that they

[1:43:19] put the shoes for that performance out.

[1:43:23] and um got to see the costume room.

[1:43:28] What a warm vibe of from the leadership

[1:43:32] to all of the people that are there down

[1:43:34] to uh just administrative people in the

[1:43:40] um that are there for education classes.

[1:43:43] And that's what made me think of the

[1:43:45] empowerment word because I just I just

[1:43:47] thought this is a team and everyone's

[1:43:50] working together to make this happen

[1:43:51] behind the scenes. So it's kind of like

[1:43:54] an iceberg. What you see on the stage is

[1:43:56] just very small part of what actually

[1:43:59] happens. So I felt really it was great

[1:44:01] to see that from a new perspective

[1:44:03] having never seen anything like that

[1:44:04] before. So that's that's my comments. I

[1:44:08] gave I am I supposed to tell you my

[1:44:12] scores or is that not

[1:44:14] >> maybe you can pass it on to Yeah. So

[1:44:17] >> discussion at this point.

[1:44:17] >> Yeah. It was just and I did get to see

[1:44:19] the choreography.

[1:44:21] I went to see uh got to see some of the

[1:44:23] other dance programs work with Blu their

[1:44:27] partnerships. My goodness. Yes. So

[1:44:30] amazing.

[1:44:33] >> Thank you. Does anybody have any

[1:44:34] questions for her or discussion points?

[1:44:37] >> No. Like I didn't know about that $20

[1:44:39] the the program because I know people I go to Gway West [clears throat] that's

[1:44:44] often played out by people so expensive

[1:44:47] and it's out of my price point you know

[1:44:51] to

[1:44:51] >> Right. Yeah. I think it's a six to

[1:44:53] [clears throat] confirm that but I think

[1:44:55] it's a six

[1:44:57] event.

[1:44:58] >> So it's like a tax.

[1:45:01] So, I I'll add I reviewed them last year

[1:45:04] and I was really impressed with the

[1:45:06] business acumen that they demonstrated

[1:45:08] in terms of u I think they're about the

[1:45:10] best in terms of analytics and

[1:45:13] understanding

[1:45:14] um ticket pricing, how to fill seats and

[1:45:18] that packaging that you're talking

[1:45:19] about. They have a whole bunch of

[1:45:21] different kinds of programs to maximize

[1:45:23] the seating attendance. And um I think I

[1:45:27] reported last year that they had

[1:45:31] between three and sixx revenue growth

[1:45:34] since the pandemic.

[1:45:36] >> Yeah.

[1:45:36] >> Which speaks well to their ability to

[1:45:39] earn revenue,

[1:45:40] >> right?

[1:45:40] >> To provide a an artistic offering. It's

[1:45:44] just tremendous is what they've been

[1:45:45] able to do. And I think it's an example

[1:45:47] for other tier ones to be able to do.

[1:45:49] >> I thought of that as well. I mean, I'd

[1:45:50] be tempted to say, well,

[1:45:53] you want to have a pinnacle organization

[1:45:55] like that for everyone to to emulate.

[1:45:59] So

[1:46:00] >> yeah, but that word empowerment just

[1:46:02] kept coming up too.

[1:46:04] people that work there and the health

[1:46:06] insurance coverage for the dancers PT

[1:46:08] availability for freeship

[1:46:11] within the you know just all the things

[1:46:13] that they

[1:46:14] >> but as the weaknesses suggest here

[1:46:16] there's still opportunities to improve

[1:46:18] in terms of ticket pricing and so on but

[1:46:21] uh

[1:46:24] >> yeah I would like to see them be a

[1:46:26] little bit more intentional like I feel

[1:46:29] like they talk a good talk and they are

[1:46:31] trying to spread out but until they

[1:46:32] really get that board representation

[1:46:35] until they start putting um activities

[1:46:38] and opportunities in underserved

[1:46:40] communities like Hearns, like Midvale.

[1:46:43] There's there that is always going to be

[1:46:45] the weak link for them, that elitist

[1:46:48] perception that they're not quite

[1:46:50] breaking.

[1:46:50] >> I wanted to echo that. Um and I'll I'll

[1:46:53] give my lens when I do my reviews and

[1:46:55] then we can all circle back to that. But

[1:46:58] um

[1:47:00] uh what happens and this happens with

[1:47:03] the symphony too. They have some major

[1:47:05] donors uh major donors that live in Park

[1:47:08] City. B West does and they want

[1:47:10] programming to go up there which can be

[1:47:14] a indirect diversion from focusing on

[1:47:17] the Salt Lake County communities because

[1:47:20] they're kind they're influenced by some

[1:47:22] of these big donors and uh a group like

[1:47:24] Ballet West and the Symphony and

[1:47:27] probably a couple others have some of

[1:47:28] the wealthiest philanthropists here in

[1:47:30] Utah which influences a lot of their

[1:47:33] programming. So this goes back to the

[1:47:35] board representation which I don't think

[1:47:37] has been emphasized Samantha in the past

[1:47:39] so much in terms of covering the

[1:47:41] geographic districts. I think it's

[1:47:42] possible but the intention hasn't been

[1:47:44] there because we focused on um

[1:47:50] let be careful how I say this. We

[1:47:51] focused on diversity in different ways a

[1:47:54] few years ago. it wasn't really

[1:47:56] geographic which you know from a

[1:47:59] political and map standpoint it really

[1:48:01] should be more geographic in terms of

[1:48:03] repres and I think you'll get

[1:48:04] >> and I think you'll get those

[1:48:05] demographics

[1:48:07] >> from different communities if you have a

[1:48:08] board member from West Valley or down by

[1:48:11] Haramman and so on and so forth

[1:48:14] anybody else have

[1:48:16] >> anybody disagree with the that's an

[1:48:19] interesting anybody disagree with the

[1:48:21] scores of the

[1:48:22] >> I'm glad you had such a great first

[1:48:23] experience Oh yeah. I just felt like I

[1:48:26] had this secret window into how things

[1:48:28] work. You do. I had no idea that much

[1:48:33] complexity of communication between all

[1:48:35] the different departments have to

[1:48:37] happen.

[1:48:38] >> Well, they got the highest score out of

[1:48:40] the whole kitten kaboodleoodle.

[1:48:43] >> Couple quick things. Um, sounds like we

[1:48:46] might be done with our discussion. Yeah.

[1:48:47] Is 14.

[1:48:49] >> I mean, does anybody want to change

[1:48:50] anything? I'm always going to ask that

[1:48:51] question for every single one. anything

[1:48:52] changed in the system completion.

[1:48:54] >> Oh,

[1:48:55] >> so is this 14 where you're at? They need

[1:48:58] to change anything based on the

[1:48:59] discussion or the

[1:49:00] >> Okay. [clears throat] Can Oh, yeah.

[1:49:01] That's a good Do people want to go back

[1:49:03] and adjust?

[1:49:05] >> If you want to, you can, but they did

[1:49:06] get the highest at 14. The highest you

[1:49:08] can get is 16.

[1:49:09] >> Correct.

[1:49:10] >> Um,

[1:49:11] >> four times four. That's how I figured it

[1:49:13] out. [laughter]

[1:49:15] >> Um, back to that. and and they got their

[1:49:18] full points for or no points for

[1:49:20] financial health test because you do

[1:49:21] good, you don't get me. But um so

[1:49:23] everybody's cool with your scores or

[1:49:24] something.

[1:49:25] >> I'm just taking a look at it.

[1:49:27] >> 14.

[1:49:29] >> And the other thing too is when you know

[1:49:30] this reflects I I said this in an email

[1:49:33] to the group, the tier ones when we say

[1:49:35] exceptional, there's always some room

[1:49:37] for improvement as far as each of the

[1:49:40] categories. Correct. And we've

[1:49:42] identified some of that. So it's almost

[1:49:44] I in my mind it's almost impossible to

[1:49:46] get a perfect score you know of 16 and

[1:49:49] when we say exceptional particularly

[1:49:50] compared to the tier twos they should be

[1:49:52] the standard.

[1:49:53] >> Yeah and we should be looking at it that

[1:49:56] way. I think a lot of the organizations

[1:49:58] have it's possible I'm not saying for

[1:50:00] sure have gotten complacent because year

[1:50:02] after year they get the funding and

[1:50:05] they've been doing it for 30 years but

[1:50:07] we need to keep elevating what that is

[1:50:10] in terms of you know how I view this

[1:50:12] anyway. So let me just see

[1:50:14] >> are these comments okay? I mean we'll

[1:50:16] add to based on the discussion you just

[1:50:17] had on what you shared as a legal viewer

[1:50:19] but if there's anything you want us to

[1:50:21] strike or fix or adjust back

[1:50:24] >> um I just wanted to talk about that

[1:50:27] board comment that in the dis the

[1:50:29] geographic

[1:50:30] diversity in just one sec but I just

[1:50:32] want to make sure we've got a few more

[1:50:33] minutes Kelsey. Okay. So I want to

[1:50:36] address to address that before we go on

[1:50:38] to the next one because I think it was a

[1:50:39] perfect example and way to get started

[1:50:40] is we all talked about it for a second.

[1:50:42] Um is board diversity um is in policy

[1:50:47] 1031 which is kind of what runs us right

[1:50:49] that's our our [clears throat] policy

[1:50:50] that we work on that we operate from. Um

[1:50:53] it is in there um as policy but practice

[1:50:56] we still have to kind of figure that out

[1:50:58] how we can is it how do we incorporate

[1:51:00] into scoring? How do we um help them?

[1:51:04] Because it's it's an issue. Um when I

[1:51:06] got here 5 years ago, I did do a tour. I

[1:51:08] met with all the tier ones and

[1:51:10] studentological executive directors and

[1:51:11] did tours right away. And the number one

[1:51:13] thing they shared was while we can

[1:51:15] diversify um our programming and we can

[1:51:18] diversify our employees, our

[1:51:19] environment, outreach, our audience, the

[1:51:23] board is the biggest struggle for us

[1:51:25] because it's has financial ties and many

[1:51:27] of those are decades and decades old

[1:51:29] older than Zap. Um,

[1:51:32] uh, us as Zap and and Matt when he

[1:51:35] recruits on his boards, we struggle just

[1:51:38] like you mentioned earlier. We've got a

[1:51:39] few more than one. We have seven

[1:51:41] members. We should only have one

[1:51:42] duplicate. We've got like two duplicates

[1:51:44] on the board. So, um, and we also know

[1:51:47] it's a it's a it's an issue for not only

[1:51:50] nonprofits and arts, but other

[1:51:51] nonprofits and other people in the

[1:51:53] state. So, between seasons or cycles, we

[1:51:56] would want to work on this. This is one

[1:51:58] that we want to work on. We don't know

[1:52:00] how to crack this nut. We don't know how

[1:52:01] it fits into our mission. We don't quite

[1:52:03] know, but it is in 1031. We do want to

[1:52:06] pay attention to it. Um I think bringing

[1:52:08] it up as the first just putting it in

[1:52:10] writing is is a really good first step

[1:52:12] just for them to know. This might be an

[1:52:14] opportunity for us to offer a class.

[1:52:16] We're also going to present to our

[1:52:17] management. We have some slides that

[1:52:19] were some of the data that I told you we

[1:52:20] have that we haven't shared yet. We have

[1:52:21] to unpack it. But Cody's got some data

[1:52:24] around council districts and who's got

[1:52:25] where. Um we're seeing the tier twos

[1:52:28] which was a little bit surprising to us

[1:52:29] are almost in the same boat. That

[1:52:31] surprised us to look at them together

[1:52:33] like as a pool not like as individuals

[1:52:35] but like as a pool even ones that you

[1:52:37] like you have brought up which is really

[1:52:38] important just the ones that even border

[1:52:40] or on the west side still struggle.

[1:52:42] [clears throat]

[1:52:43] >> Well I think it is the idea of how you

[1:52:45] want to use your boards. So I will I'll

[1:52:47] fess up. I am the person who for every

[1:52:49] single application made a note about

[1:52:52] their success or their weakness on the

[1:52:54] geographical representation of their

[1:52:56] board because it is the very first step

[1:52:58] in being intentional. You can have a

[1:53:01] board that is exclusively a fiduciary,

[1:53:03] but some of the best practices from our

[1:53:05] other organizations then have been to

[1:53:06] create advisory boards that come from

[1:53:09] community members who then those people

[1:53:11] get an opportunity to contribute to the

[1:53:13] decisions that that fiduciary fiduciary

[1:53:16] board is going to be making. But there

[1:53:18] at least that community connection and

[1:53:20] in our perspective that connection to

[1:53:22] the taxpayer um and the people we're

[1:53:25] trying to serve throughout the entire

[1:53:27] community to get that voice heard. And

[1:53:29] then a lot of times people are elevating

[1:53:31] from those advisory boards into their

[1:53:34] board of trustees. So yeah, of course

[1:53:36] the organization has to decide what they

[1:53:38] want the role of their board to be, but

[1:53:40] they can't eliminate opportunities for

[1:53:43] people. Um I I don't think that they

[1:53:46] should exclude people based solely on

[1:53:48] their financial contribution. And we see

[1:53:50] that a ton in our comments about when

[1:53:53] you have a give or get of $25,000,

[1:53:55] you're obviously not going to get

[1:53:57] somebody from Karns. on your board and

[1:54:00] then you also don't want to indenture

[1:54:02] people to their service by saying well

[1:54:04] you can work it off if you can't just

[1:54:05] give it right like that's a very

[1:54:07] inequitable space too. So there are a

[1:54:10] lot of best practices. Obviously our

[1:54:13] dream boat over here who does everything

[1:54:15] to provide so many fabulous services and

[1:54:18] trainings that we hear about all the

[1:54:20] time in our reviews, right? The things

[1:54:22] staff has been doing to help. But yeah,

[1:54:25] I just think it's the very first

[1:54:27] intentional space.

[1:54:29] >> Well, I think there's room for that. I

[1:54:31] you know, you're right. Some of these top organizations,

[1:54:36] the zoologicals for that matter, you

[1:54:38] know, all the larger tier ones, they

[1:54:41] have fairly significant financial

[1:54:43] contributions they expect. Now, they're

[1:54:45] willing to do some things in common, but

[1:54:47] it does sort of set up an inequity in

[1:54:49] terms of I I'm a secondass status if I'm

[1:54:51] on the board. But there's another part

[1:54:53] too, public engagement.

[1:54:55] >> I I was and in my reviews the last

[1:54:57] couple years, I would say to the tier

[1:54:59] ones, are you working with the Murray

[1:55:01] Arts Group? Are you working with

[1:55:03] Taylor's? Are you trying to collaborate?

[1:55:06] Because if you don't have a board member

[1:55:08] from one of those places, it's been a

[1:55:09] little bit harder to connect to create

[1:55:12] activities, which is, you know, we want

[1:55:14] a thousand arts groups to blossom in the

[1:55:16] county. That's I think part of the

[1:55:18] catalyst, the stimulus behind Zap, not

[1:55:21] just have all of the, you know, the

[1:55:24] major exceptional groups in Scott and

[1:55:27] downtown Salt Lake.

[1:55:28] >> Sure.

[1:55:28] >> But spreading that good. Do you mind if

[1:55:30] I I'm going to off just for a second,

[1:55:31] but just know that's one we're going to

[1:55:33] work on.

[1:55:34] >> It's in our policy. We have to figure

[1:55:35] out how to put into our practice,

[1:55:37] >> right?

[1:55:37] >> Again, how does it go and scoring? But

[1:55:39] again, we can't just demand it and not

[1:55:40] try to help some support for it. Is that

[1:55:42] something we work with Utah cultural

[1:55:43] alliance with? Is it something Utah

[1:55:45] nonprofits association with? Um how do

[1:55:47] we try to help them not to penalize them

[1:55:49] for it? Um could be introductions. Uh we

[1:55:51] talked about doing some mingling with

[1:55:53] tier ones, matching them with tier twos

[1:55:55] in the similar discipline, either the

[1:55:56] same discipline or an adjacent one. can

[1:55:57] do things together like dance and music

[1:55:59] or something. And so we need to think

[1:56:01] about ways that Zap can fit stay within

[1:56:03] our scope of work, whether that's

[1:56:05] through Kelsey's program or a bigger

[1:56:06] thing that we do to ma make matchmaking

[1:56:09] um to bring those together. But I do

[1:56:11] like that it's written because we've

[1:56:12] never had it written before and it

[1:56:13] actually is in detail. It's not just a

[1:56:15] like a blunt negative. It's like, hey,

[1:56:17] this is a fact. And so I think that is a

[1:56:20] really good start. And so um

[1:56:22] >> do we want to take a

[1:56:23] >> Yeah. Are we ready to take a break for

[1:56:25] the photography and then come back and

[1:56:26] do reviews? He's a photographer, right?

[1:56:28] >> Anytime we are.

[1:56:29] >> All right. Why don't we This is a good

[1:56:30] pause. Thank you.

[2:14:03] I have, you know,

[2:14:04] >> okay, reparatory dance is up on the

[2:14:06] screen. The lead reviewer is Andrea.

[2:14:09] you've got three minutes.

[2:14:12] >> This is page two of your your of your

[2:14:14] packets. You have your packets open.

[2:14:15] >> I will say your card to your friends if

[2:14:17] you want to get out here on time at the

[2:14:19] end of the day. the other ones. We're

[2:14:21] keeping you until we're done. Okay. So,

[2:14:25] [laughter]

[2:14:27] » Andrea, the floor is yours.

[2:14:28] >> All right. Sounds good. Um, so I got to

[2:14:32] review reparatory dance theater. I was

[2:14:34] impressed. They brought um Linda Smith,

[2:14:38] who is kind of like in more of an

[2:14:40] advising capacity, and then um they did

[2:14:44] have, excuse me, I wrote it down.

[2:14:46] Doesn't matter. but they have the the

[2:14:48] two people that are taking over and

[2:14:50] she's been slowly transitioning and

[2:14:52] training them with all of her

[2:14:53] institutional knowledge which is quite a

[2:14:56] bit. She's kind of done it all, knows

[2:14:58] everything, built it from the the ground

[2:15:00] up. Um, and so it looks like the moving

[2:15:04] forward the leadership [clears throat]

[2:15:05] process and that is

[2:15:09] more of a smooth transition over. Um, so

[2:15:12] that's kind of the sense that I got. It

[2:15:14] was nice that they brought two of the

[2:15:15] dancers to the meeting and yes,

[2:15:18] >> so it was nice to have their

[2:15:20] perspective, their feedback. They also

[2:15:22] included

[2:15:23] >> I think three board members were present

[2:15:25] at that meeting and I was impressed.

[2:15:28] >> Um, [clears throat]

[2:15:29] >> one of the board members is an educator.

[2:15:31] He's a teacher. Um, so it was nice to

[2:15:33] have I felt like

[2:15:36] um his perspective was very uh valuable

[2:15:40] and inclusive. You can tell as part

[2:15:43] I didn't get to attend one of their

[2:15:45] board meetings, but you can tell that he

[2:15:46] was definitely respected and they they

[2:15:48] take their board members input into the

[2:15:51] conversation. So, I was really impressed

[2:15:53] with that. I'm like, "Oh, they've got a

[2:15:55] speaking of like kind of the diversity

[2:15:56] part." They brought in an educator who

[2:15:58] works with students who's kind of in the

[2:16:00] community. He does teach at a private um

[2:16:03] school, but I'm like, "Hey, you've got

[2:16:04] an educator there." So, that's

[2:16:06] wonderful, you know. Um I was really

[2:16:09] impressed. They took me through a tour

[2:16:11] through the whole space. Um they had at

[2:16:13] that moment they had a workshop going on

[2:16:15] for teachers in the summer that they

[2:16:17] provide that they can take back to their

[2:16:20] classrooms, public school classrooms and

[2:16:22] integrate some movement and some of that

[2:16:24] into their curriculum. So if they're

[2:16:26] teaching math or shapes or whatever it

[2:16:28] is, they integrate that movement and

[2:16:30] help students have kind of a different

[2:16:32] experience with the materials that

[2:16:35] they're learning. So, I thought that was

[2:16:37] really nice that they offered that to

[2:16:39] teachers to do their continuing

[2:16:40] education number one, but also providing

[2:16:42] them with the tools and then giving the

[2:16:44] students the opportunity to learn

[2:16:46] something in a different

[2:16:49] like learning math in a different kind

[2:16:51] of a way that's more using your body in

[2:16:53] space. So, I was really impressed with

[2:16:56] that. Um,

[2:16:58] uh, they really prepare their dancers

[2:17:00] too. So, one of the dancers is an

[2:17:02] existing dance member, one of them was a

[2:17:04] leading

[2:17:06] um dance um member and so she spoke

[2:17:10] really strongly that they prepare them

[2:17:12] not just in the dance world and provide

[2:17:14] like the training and the physical

[2:17:15] therapy and all of that but giving them

[2:17:17] leadership opportunities that they can

[2:17:19] then take and either use them and apply

[2:17:21] them back to RDT whether they're hired

[2:17:23] on in a different capacity or use them

[2:17:25] in other [clears throat]

[2:17:27] like in other areas of their per like

[2:17:29] whatever they're choosing career-wise

[2:17:31] could stay in dance or arts or just like

[2:17:33] in a different employment

[2:17:35] um opportunity. So I was really

[2:17:37] impressed with that. Yeah.

[2:17:40] >> Sorry.

[2:17:41] >> No more to say, but anybody else or can

[2:17:46] I one more? No.

[2:17:48] >> What do they mean about the funding? How

[2:17:50] are they approaching,

[2:17:52] you know, ticket sales, so on?

[2:17:55] >> So, we didn't really get into that much.

[2:17:58] I think they're still trying to work on

[2:18:00] that. I feel like their outreach could

[2:18:01] be a little bit more

[2:18:04] um visible. I feel like Ballet West does

[2:18:07] a really I know it's not my

[2:18:09] organization, but they've done a really

[2:18:10] good job with their um outreach on

[2:18:13] social media and stuff like that. I feel

[2:18:15] like they're very very visible and for

[2:18:17] some reason I feel like they could be

[2:18:20] more visible in other areas maybe

[2:18:22] incorporating that. That's kind of the

[2:18:23] personal sense that I got. I do know

[2:18:26] that they don't have a very big staff

[2:18:28] and right now they've got the

[2:18:31] partnership with the aging. So they do

[2:18:34] try to hit a little bit more of the

[2:18:35] areas outside of Salt Lake City. So

[2:18:37] they'll go to Taylor'sville that work at

[2:18:38] the

[2:18:40] um senior centers there and do like

[2:18:42] dance classes there. So they do have a

[2:18:45] few pockets like that that they offer

[2:18:47] those classes are free and offered to

[2:18:49] seniors. Now they wanted to expand that

[2:18:51] program. They have the executive

[2:18:53] director who's taking over. He's the one

[2:18:54] that is in charge of it. He's the one

[2:18:55] that teaches it plus he does all the

[2:18:58] other.

[2:18:58] >> So they for

[2:19:01] needing more funding to hire like an

[2:19:03] additional

[2:19:04] >> they just don't have the map. But I

[2:19:06] think the marketing thing like what

[2:19:07] you're talking about, one of the things

[2:19:08] I have seen this year where there were a

[2:19:11] couple of shifts in the applications

[2:19:12] where they're like, "Yeah, we used to

[2:19:14] try to target our marketing audiences

[2:19:16] for very specific messages and then we

[2:19:19] were advised in this past year by

[2:19:21] marketing professionals that we really

[2:19:23] need to not only do those targeted ones,

[2:19:25] but that even the target audiences

[2:19:27] should get the breath of everything that

[2:19:29] we do because it's maybe even though

[2:19:32] they're targeted for this, they might

[2:19:34] still have an interest in these two or

[2:19:36] three other things that we do. And so I

[2:19:38] felt like that was a weakness for a

[2:19:39] reparatory dance um company. And there

[2:19:42] were a couple of our organizations that

[2:19:45] really talked about we only apply one

[2:19:47] message to one group of people when they

[2:19:50] have an array of things that could be

[2:19:53] marketed and shared with groups to get

[2:19:55] people across over in other

[2:19:56] opportunities or at least say this might

[2:19:58] not work for me, but I have a friend who

[2:20:00] might be interested in that and when I

[2:20:02] hear about it. So, I would encourage

[2:20:05] them to look at some other ways of maybe

[2:20:09] not being so targeted um with their

[2:20:13] marketing.

[2:20:13] >> Just want to um I I noticed when I was looking at the

[2:20:18] Ballet West program when I was at the

[2:20:20] choreographic festival and Repatory

[2:20:23] Dance was, you know, doing their thing

[2:20:25] and I got in the car and I'm like, well,

[2:20:28] because I did some modern dance in

[2:20:29] college, [clears throat] you know,

[2:20:31] obviously I can't do it now, but

[2:20:33] [laughter]

[2:20:33] I'm like, I wonder if they have and

[2:20:35] right in there in the program, they had

[2:20:37] an ad for just anybody who wants to

[2:20:40] dance. And I went to the website and

[2:20:42] looked and and they had the teacher

[2:20:44] actually did a little talk, you know,

[2:20:46] because that would be kind of

[2:20:48] intimidating to just show up as a

[2:20:49] 60-year-old woman in some dance class

[2:20:52] down, you know, but it he explained what

[2:20:55] they do and what it looks like and you

[2:20:58] can kind of be in the back for a little

[2:20:59] bit and they do just, you know, movement

[2:21:01] at first and then they offer.

[2:21:04] >> So I I thought that was wonderful

[2:21:06] >> to make it more inviting.

[2:21:07] >> Yeah. you know, because okay, you're not

[2:21:09] just seeing it in the program, but then

[2:21:11] when you look at it, you actually get to

[2:21:13] see the teacher and explain. It's okay.

[2:21:16] You don't have to have any dance

[2:21:17] background that you can just come and it

[2:21:19] was cheap. I think it was 10 or $15 or

[2:21:22] something. You could take the trucks

[2:21:23] down, you know. So, I thought that was a

[2:21:25] great example of outreach to someone

[2:21:27] that might be interested in dance, go to

[2:21:30] a concert like that and say, "Oh,

[2:21:33] conversation."

[2:21:34] >> Yeah. So,

[2:21:36] >> yeah. Did you have something?

[2:21:38] >> Yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, in

[2:21:39] marketing, there's just more ways that

[2:21:41] you can target now. And it really is a

[2:21:43] better way to stretch your dollar. So,

[2:21:46] and these marketing budgets are so

[2:21:47] small.

[2:21:48] >> Exactly.

[2:21:49] >> Identify look like, you know, audiences

[2:21:52] and fans. You you target by zip code, of

[2:21:55] course, and everything. So, you could be

[2:21:56] really precise about it

[2:21:58] >> and intentional.

[2:22:00] Uh, so I I guess I'm saying, you know,

[2:22:03] mass marketing and, you know, buying a

[2:22:06] TV commercials, not not what people do

[2:22:10] anymore,

[2:22:11] >> right?

[2:22:12] >> Exactly.

[2:22:14] >> Any other thoughts or comments for

[2:22:16] Dustin to capture?

[2:22:18] >> Anybody want to change their adjust

[2:22:20] their scores

[2:22:21] >> or comments on the page?

[2:22:25] There 12.4.

[2:22:27] That's the I believe this a few that are

[2:22:30] at 12.4, but that's a second if you will.

[2:22:38] » There's nothing further on this. We'll

[2:22:41] move on to the the next answer.

[2:22:46] Who was that?

[2:22:47] >> Um,

[2:22:49] >> ready to go.

[2:22:53] Um Tom Dy has been the executive

[2:22:57] director of um Ry Woodbury for the last

[2:23:00] couple years after the um big leadership

[2:23:02] transition of um legacy founders and he

[2:23:07] is a rock star. I'm just really really

[2:23:09] impressed by him. Um he was just you

[2:23:14] know even even just the way that that

[2:23:16] they interact with you as certain

[2:23:19] executive directors interact with the

[2:23:21] lead reviewers. It really stood out as

[2:23:24] you know um going above above and beyond

[2:23:27] to include me in various things. Um

[2:23:31] I attended a board meeting. The board

[2:23:33] was um engaged. I think it could be a

[2:23:36] little bigger. Um they had they went

[2:23:40] into executive committee meeting while I

[2:23:42] was there and that was kind of

[2:23:43] interesting and they didn't kick me out.

[2:23:45] Um [laughter]

[2:23:46] and they uh they [snorts] wanted to

[2:23:49] discuss uh Tom Danty's um compensation

[2:23:52] because having been there for two years

[2:23:54] he hadn't had any kind of increase and

[2:23:56] they were just so proud of what he's

[2:23:59] done for the organization that they

[2:24:01] wanted to recognize that. And so um so

[2:24:04] the so they um deliberated a little bit

[2:24:08] and and landed on a bonus rather than a

[2:24:11] cost of living increase which would have

[2:24:13] to apply to the artistic director as

[2:24:15] well.

[2:24:15] >> Um but it was nice that um you know

[2:24:18] they've been um turning things around

[2:24:20] financially and and the board wanted to

[2:24:21] recognize that and um has a lot of faith

[2:24:25] in him. Um they're uh you know they

[2:24:29] they're really proud proud to still be

[2:24:32] weird after 60 years and their their

[2:24:35] innovative um experiential dance is you

[2:24:39] know off the charts amazing. They uh

[2:24:42] invited me to come. They commissioned

[2:24:44] some uh choreographers from out of town

[2:24:47] for the for a piece that they're doing

[2:24:49] in September called Dual Rivet. And um I

[2:24:53] encourage anyone to to go check it out

[2:24:55] because it was it was really a a unique

[2:24:58] and um interesting piece um related to

[2:25:02] cameras and the way we think of

[2:25:06] interacting with cameras and it was it

[2:25:08] was very very cool.

[2:25:09] >> And you said you you see that coming

[2:25:11] again this fall?

[2:25:12] >> Yeah, that's in September. It

[2:25:13] >> is in there. They have two pieces for

[2:25:17] their September. I think they call it

[2:25:18] act one. Um, and that's one of the two

[2:25:22] pieces. Um, and um, they do great

[2:25:26] collaborations with other dance

[2:25:28] organizations. Um, and you know, I they

[2:25:32] do rural education, touring, and and um,

[2:25:36] while that's outside of the county, I I

[2:25:38] just think, you know, obviously Salt

[2:25:39] Lake County is is the gold standard for

[2:25:43] artistic quality in the state. And so I

[2:25:46] think it is good that you know

[2:25:48] especially exposure to something like um

[2:25:50] you know experiential or experimental

[2:25:52] dance and that's um out of the

[2:25:56] mainstream of experience for some rural

[2:25:59] people. So um so I think that's great.

[2:26:02] Um they're doing you know the weaknesses

[2:26:04] or audience building is always a

[2:26:06] challenge. They inherited a deficit but

[2:26:09] they're on a financial rebound. Um

[2:26:11] they're trying new interesting outreach

[2:26:13] opportunities like a Fisher Brewing um

[2:26:17] event to to try to reach new audiences.

[2:26:24] Was there any discussion about board

[2:26:28] expansion getting board members across

[2:26:30] county because what it's only half of

[2:26:32] the six districts. Um,

[2:26:36] did they just cuz for me that's one of

[2:26:38] the indicators of maybe why it feels a

[2:26:41] little insular is that I I I don't know

[2:26:44] if you talked about any of that

[2:26:45] representation.

[2:26:46] >> It wasn't really raised. Um, but you

[2:26:49] know they

[2:26:51] just the whole organization runs so

[2:26:53] lean. Um, they actually were um moving

[2:26:56] uh office space in the rows to reduce

[2:26:59] their rent

[2:27:00] >> in the rows. They were

[2:27:02] >> How many board members do they have? Um

[2:27:04] I'm sorry I don't have that in front of

[2:27:06] me.

[2:27:06] >> It's okay. I mean um look at the

[2:27:08] application.

[2:27:09] >> But they were engaged and um and their

[2:27:11] dances are very um they have a really

[2:27:15] stellar education um

[2:27:18] education uh director.

[2:27:21] >> One thing I did wonder

[2:27:24] >> I saw that their executive committee is

[2:27:26] just

[2:27:27] >> I think the executive director and the

[2:27:29] next one.

[2:27:31] you know, if you're going to have an

[2:27:32] executive that that's just might be good

[2:27:34] to add two more members to that

[2:27:37] committee. And then also I wondered

[2:27:39] about a broader range of county

[2:27:41] municipalities for events

[2:27:43] >> because it's pretty

[2:27:46] citiz

[2:27:50] and and the performing the space.

[2:27:52] >> Yeah.

[2:27:53] >> Weird. But I did review them last year

[2:27:56] and I remember how they treat their

[2:27:59] dancers too. They do a really good job

[2:28:01] of how taking care of their artists.

[2:28:05] >> Very hands on very respectful.

[2:28:10] » Well, and weren't they creating a new

[2:28:12] advisory board? That's one of the like

[2:28:14] the comments I was talking about

[2:28:15] earlier. You can have an advisory board

[2:28:17] that has more uh representation

[2:28:22] maybe than the actual

[2:28:24] >> and that'll just kind of help them

[2:28:25] expand their their reach within

[2:28:28] networking and getting the word out.

[2:28:30] >> The fact that they have 40k connections

[2:28:32] in education that's pretty small.

[2:28:35] >> Yeah, it's amazing. And it really goes

[2:28:38] back to [clears throat] the pops,

[2:28:41] you know, it allows these organizations

[2:28:42] to

[2:28:45] >> really

[2:28:46] have amazing capacity for these.

[2:28:49] >> It's like a great co-rant the Zap one.

[2:28:51] It allows someone that maybe can't do

[2:28:53] outreach because their venue is at a

[2:28:54] certain location. They primarily do

[2:28:56] everything there for them to get out in

[2:28:58] the community. Even though it's a

[2:28:59] certain demographic, they're still

[2:29:01] getting out and all. I think it's so

[2:29:02] complimentary somehow. It just works out

[2:29:04] with the pops.

[2:29:05] >> Yeah.

[2:29:08] » Any changes to the score or the

[2:29:10] comments?

[2:29:14] I probably I scored a higher the

[2:29:16] average. That's for sure. It's 11.6, but

[2:29:20] based on the discussion, if anybody

[2:29:21] wants to change anything, I

[2:29:24] >> think it's always easier to up your

[2:29:26] score when you've been the lead reviewer

[2:29:28] because you get an intimate [laughter]

[2:29:31] look at things. Yeah.

[2:29:32] >> It's like your favorite kid, whatever.

[2:29:35] [laughter]

[2:29:38] » It's the one you're with, right?

[2:29:40] >> I thought their engagement benefit was

[2:29:42] off the charts. I mean just that just

[2:29:46] from the obligation.

[2:29:48] >> Well, and I think since we have a minute

[2:29:50] on this one, that is part of what we

[2:29:53] have to discuss, right? Is the POPS

[2:29:55] organizations

[2:29:56] are not going to be equivalent to

[2:29:58] nonpops organization when we talk about

[2:30:01] um community outreach and our

[2:30:02] expectation of what organizations that

[2:30:05] don't receive POPs need to do in a

[2:30:07] broader scale. We might have to this

[2:30:09] might be a workg group thing at some

[2:30:12] point or another conversation but it's

[2:30:14] really hard to have the same

[2:30:15] expectation. I know in years past we

[2:30:17] asked in the application are EPOPS

[2:30:19] funded but the way we posed the question

[2:30:21] this year made it very obvious and going

[2:30:24] well gosh this went so I have HCT when

[2:30:26] we talk about HCT we'll talk about some

[2:30:28] of these differences but

[2:30:30] >> I see as well and I see as I see funding

[2:30:33] too that same with natural

[2:30:35] >> I just want I thought about this in

[2:30:37] thinking about the scores if you see a

[2:30:39] weakness you don't necessarily have to

[2:30:41] change the score based on the weakness

[2:30:43] because I think I have a I'm the philosy

[2:30:46] opy of continuous improvement. So

[2:30:49] >> it doesn't have to be a knock if they

[2:30:50] have a weakness. In fact, if everything

[2:30:53] was perfect, I would be skeptical.

[2:30:55] >> Yeah.

[2:30:56] >> If they don't have something to work on.

[2:30:58] So

[2:30:58] >> Kelsey's putting that down for you. One

[2:31:00] of the items is to some comparison

[2:31:03] >> between [clears throat] seasons of icy

[2:31:04] versus not Icy. So we have a better idea

[2:31:06] of maybe we identify it on this next

[2:31:07] year for you. This is icy, this is not

[2:31:10] or

[2:31:10] >> or you look at their outreach versus

[2:31:12] other kinds of outreach. And I think it

[2:31:13] helps even in our subjective world to be

[2:31:15] more consistent. So like when I was

[2:31:17] evaluating I was trying to find two

[2:31:19] things that I felt like I was really

[2:31:21] going to focus on in every single

[2:31:23] organization consistently, right? So

[2:31:25] that's why I did like board for example.

[2:31:27] So it doesn't the weakness doesn't have

[2:31:29] to knock it. But if I'm looking

[2:31:31] specifically at community ga engagement

[2:31:33] as a priority for consistency with every

[2:31:35] single one, then I do have to evaluate

[2:31:39] that for every single one. And then I

[2:31:41] tried to look for the niche or

[2:31:42] outstanding

[2:31:44] uniques things to still honor that

[2:31:47] organization and its independence and

[2:31:50] its relevance to the community. But I

[2:31:52] felt like I had to have something that I

[2:31:54] was trying to consistently

[2:31:57] >> Yeah.

[2:31:57] >> Um at at least at a base level for every

[2:32:00] single application to be fair as well.

[2:32:02] Mhm.

[2:32:03] >> And I I was feeling the same way about

[2:32:05] University of Utah because the ones that

[2:32:08] have university funding and they're, you

[2:32:10] know, just from like the accountability

[2:32:13] financially, it's

[2:32:14] >> we'll just get $650,000 absolved of

[2:32:17] their debt. Yeah. Right.

[2:32:19] >> Um so, anything Cody needs to change?

[2:32:21] Anybody changed? Anything unmittable?

[2:32:23] Any other last comments for Dustin to

[2:32:25] take down?

[2:32:27] >> I think we'll finish this last one if

[2:32:28] you want to, Mr. Chair, and then we'll take a lunch break. Okay, that's

[2:32:31] me in a dance. That completes the dance

[2:32:35] ring cycle here.

[2:32:38] So, as many of you may already know, I

[2:32:42] looked at this, this is my fifth year.

[2:32:43] So, I looked at this through the lens of

[2:32:45] a handful of things. So, we have the

[2:32:47] four categories. They've been adjusted,

[2:32:49] you know, in terms of the artistic, the

[2:32:52] organizational stability, public

[2:32:54] engagement, financial. So the things I

[2:32:56] almost went right to all these

[2:32:59] applications

[2:33:00] um well first off on the programming

[2:33:04] there's very few thing you know very few

[2:33:06] of these tier ones that I don't think

[2:33:07] are strong or exceptional in terms of

[2:33:10] artistic so the things I tended to look

[2:33:12] at was you know what is their

[2:33:14] sustainability from an earned revenue

[2:33:16] standpoint what's the organizational

[2:33:18] capacity thinking about scenario

[2:33:21] planning succession

[2:33:23] uh is the board engaged, you know,

[2:33:26] across the county and the same thing on

[2:33:28] public engagement. And in some cases,

[2:33:31] are they working with other arts groups

[2:33:33] or communities to try to extend so when

[2:33:35] we look at all the activity lists, it's

[2:33:37] a little bit difficult. I don't really

[2:33:39] know what the examples are when they at

[2:33:41] a numerical number or, you know,

[2:33:43] activities in these towns and so on and

[2:33:44] so forth. And as has already been

[2:33:46] identified, there's a lot of

[2:33:47] concentration in districts one and four

[2:33:50] and not as much, you know, beyond that.

[2:33:53] So, you know, my view is tier one should

[2:33:55] be, you know, countywide. It should be,

[2:33:57] you know, influence that my experience

[2:33:59] with them. I don't have any um anything

[2:34:04] uh I have no disagreement with any of

[2:34:07] the uh summary parts, but I went to

[2:34:10] their uh elevate programming which uh

[2:34:14] caters to the disability. Who who

[2:34:16] recently did you do them last year?

[2:34:17] >> Yeah, that was

[2:34:18] >> so it was amazing. I I mean I went

[2:34:20] there, Amanda. I didn't even know what

[2:34:21] the performance was [clears throat]

[2:34:22] about. It was just on my calendar. It

[2:34:24] was the first available back in the

[2:34:26] spring and I didn't know what it was.

[2:34:29] And I'm there and I was like I had tears

[2:34:31] come just to watch these people

[2:34:33] >> and just and and so then I met with Mary

[2:34:36] Lee and the uh the business development

[2:34:39] person. I went up and they gave me a

[2:34:40] tour. The board meeting was post this

[2:34:43] meeting. So I I didn't go to a board

[2:34:45] meeting, but I typically try to go to a

[2:34:47] board meeting and meet with the

[2:34:48] executives, you know, separately. So I

[2:34:51] went out and toured and explained all

[2:34:53] the programs. And so this is a

[2:34:54] continuing education program that they

[2:34:56] have for these people with

[2:34:58] disadvantages.

[2:34:59] And the parents pay tuition. So it's,

[2:35:02] you know, some of it's subsidized. They

[2:35:04] also have this endowment, which I

[2:35:06] referred to before, that they're trying

[2:35:07] to build. And they have they have

[2:35:10] programming year round. Now I have I

[2:35:13] have an advantage which is kind of a

[2:35:15] combination of maybe a little bit of

[2:35:16] bias. My son had gone to some their

[2:35:18] programs when he was young. He's 23 now.

[2:35:21] But when he was young he was in the

[2:35:22] preschool and he was in the dance you

[2:35:24] know they do the capital theater

[2:35:26] performances and so on. The one weakness

[2:35:28] was that it's very female oriented. So

[2:35:31] as boys get older third or fourth grade

[2:35:33] they feel pretty isolated there. So that

[2:35:36] is a weakness, you know, of their

[2:35:38] programming, but they have year round

[2:35:40] kinds of things. It's really amazing.

[2:35:42] They do try to go out to the schools to

[2:35:44] do things, but they are fairly well

[2:35:46] inconstructed there at the U. So most

[2:35:49] everything is where you go from a

[2:35:50] destination standpoint, but I was really

[2:35:53] uh no, I was really impressed. I mean

[2:35:56] and candidly as a disclosure for my

[2:35:58] first year I was asked to go to the

[2:35:59] tanner and I recused myself because I

[2:36:02] had these issues you know that we kind

[2:36:04] of our experience and I thought okay you

[2:36:07] know

[2:36:08] >> the second time around I'll see and they

[2:36:10] actually made a bunch of improvements in

[2:36:12] terms of the programming so that's my

[2:36:14] story

[2:36:15] >> well I felt really strongly about this

[2:36:17] being a good example for so many of our

[2:36:19] organization their one um program wild

[2:36:21] ideas I was performed in more than one

[2:36:23] location So I think that that is an

[2:36:26] example for a lot of our tier one

[2:36:28] organizations is you can do your same

[2:36:30] programming but just take it on the road

[2:36:32] even if it's only for two or three days

[2:36:34] to make it access accessible to an

[2:36:36] entirely different group of people. And

[2:36:38] I think something that was left out of

[2:36:40] the comments here that I did put in mind

[2:36:42] I felt like they had remarkable

[2:36:44] investments in their professional

[2:36:45] development and team building and that

[2:36:47] they had an outstanding volunteer

[2:36:49] resourcing and management program. And I

[2:36:52] don't want them to be slighted for that

[2:36:54] because that is a a massive contribution

[2:36:58] to the organization's success.

[2:37:00] >> Mary Lee specifically said that uh part

[2:37:03] of the endowment it's it's a quasi a

[2:37:06] little education on that. Yeah.

[2:37:08] >> They're able to use that to pay the

[2:37:10] salaries of people to keep them engaged.

[2:37:12] They had a down cycle in terms of

[2:37:14] funding and they try to increase that.

[2:37:16] So yeah.

[2:37:17] >> Um and you're right. Um, and I've saying

[2:37:20] this to organizations last couple years.

[2:37:22] If you could at least do a sample

[2:37:23] program. So, I have I have a love for

[2:37:26] the Murray Theater, which just real

[2:37:29] staff to it. [laughter]

[2:37:31] >> It's like my love for this place.

[2:37:33] >> That's my lobbying, right, for district

[2:37:35] 3. But, but seriously, you know, can you

[2:37:38] do sample programs in these other

[2:37:40] venues? You know, you got new ones in

[2:37:41] South Jordan and West Jordan. You've got

[2:37:43] them in Midvale. Can you go out and do

[2:37:46] some of these things? It doesn't have to

[2:37:47] be full on, but you can, you know,

[2:37:50] >> doesn't have to be a tour, but it could

[2:37:51] be like mobile programming.

[2:37:52] >> Could be a mobile program.

[2:37:53] >> A few of the dancers, go and show off

[2:37:56] ballet or

[2:37:58] >> I'm a little I was surprised by this in

[2:38:01] one of my questions. Um

[2:38:03] >> because in pops, this might be worth

[2:38:06] noting too,

[2:38:07] >> they have to get to every district every

[2:38:10] three years. So it might be worth

[2:38:13] tracking that in our thing where they're

[2:38:15] not doing in their scheduling. They

[2:38:17] might be trying to get there or have it

[2:38:20] planned

[2:38:21] >> next year and because that that was my

[2:38:23] big I was really surprised that they had

[2:38:26] as little reach

[2:38:29] >> because my sorry I was I mean 75% of

[2:38:33] their board is district 4.

[2:38:35] >> Yeah.

[2:38:36] >> So it's kind of

[2:38:37] >> Yeah. That's an issue for

[2:38:38] >> I did attend a board meeting last year

[2:38:40] and that was the only that was the only

[2:38:42] thing that brought my score down with

[2:38:43] them is that there was no diversity

[2:38:45] within their board. Everyone was

[2:38:46] attached to Tanner in some way which was

[2:38:49] great. Everyone was very passionate

[2:38:51] about it. Everyone cared a lot but

[2:38:52] >> they didn't seem to have any real

[2:38:55] interest in expanding or diversif

[2:38:58] and I asked specifically because in

[2:39:00] their application they said yeah we're

[2:39:02] always working to diversify our board

[2:39:04] and whatever. when they asked what their

[2:39:06] strategy was for that

[2:39:09] >> no training since 2015 for Amanda I've

[2:39:12] had a conflict with that because but I

[2:39:14] felt that the programming is so

[2:39:16] exceptional I don't want to discount

[2:39:18] that but it's a very insular group

[2:39:20] >> people who've been associated for a long time

[2:39:24] >> and you know that would be something

[2:39:27] like to advise them to do more on and I

[2:39:29] did say that to me

[2:39:30] >> looking at the data so this is a data

[2:39:32] report um when you look at 23

[2:39:34] municipalities ities in Salt Lake

[2:39:37] County. Um it looks like they got to

[2:39:39] nine if you count Salt Lake City where

[2:39:41] their where their home is. So they got

[2:39:42] to eight other groups. So if you

[2:39:44] sometimes if you want to pull this out

[2:39:46] that's important to people for that

[2:39:47] category. Um it is um municipal service

[2:39:50] reach is what the name of that is but uh

[2:39:52] besides their own which is would be one

[2:39:55] of the nine they got to eight other

[2:39:57] communities which I don't know the size

[2:39:58] of their organization necessarily for

[2:40:00] this year this past fiscal year ending

[2:40:02] but um have to look at that. Is that

[2:40:04] relative? How does that

[2:40:05] >> Right. And are those eight communities

[2:40:06] part of their pops, right, versus their

[2:40:09] mainstream,

[2:40:10] right? Which we don't know.

[2:40:12] >> And that's a parking lot.

[2:40:12] >> So you would expect with pops that it

[2:40:14] would be higher.

[2:40:15] >> Well, I guess the question is because I

[2:40:17] hadn't really thought of that years past

[2:40:19] about the pops versus the county.

[2:40:20] >> That's why.

[2:40:21] >> So we need to consider that as a parking

[2:40:23] lot.

[2:40:24] >> Yeah. Discuss that.

[2:40:25] >> Was that an impact program? Would it

[2:40:27] help them diversify their board and them

[2:40:30] to do more board trainings?

[2:40:35] some of the matchmaking too with tier 2.

[2:40:37] I think that could be a way that feels a

[2:40:38] little more comfortable for them is tier

[2:40:41] two connections of having tier two

[2:40:43] members on their board or people they

[2:40:44] know if it's someone on their board. I

[2:40:46] think that's something you could do with

[2:40:48] impact. Um any other last comments

[2:40:50] before the time is up

[2:40:53] [laughter]

[2:40:54] >> or score change again? They

[2:40:55] >> change the score

[2:40:56] >> and so I was just going to say I I I

[2:40:58] don't know if adequate and does that

[2:41:00] feel comfortable for everyone? It's one

[2:41:02] of our uh it's not it's our third one

[2:41:05] down. Sorry. Of the of this

[2:41:08] five scoring levels. Um it's adequate.

[2:41:11] And someone changed theirs. Does anyone

[2:41:13] else change theirs?

[2:41:14] >> No.

[2:41:18] » What is that? If I write, are you able

[2:41:20] to calculate? If you're not, then no. I

[2:41:21] can go to the next one.

[2:41:22] >> Actually, I think I'm going to change

[2:41:24] mine.

[2:41:24] >> Okay.

[2:41:24] Let's go to the next one and I can

[2:41:26] provide

[2:41:27] >> We're going to do I think we need to eat

[2:41:28] lunch if we can. Y

[2:41:31] >> if Cody had his way, he would never eat

[2:41:33] lunch.

[2:41:35] You're welcome. [laughter]

[2:41:36] >> Is that okay, Mr. Chair? While he makes

[2:41:38] adjustments and you change and you

[2:41:40] change, we grab lunch and we have 30

[2:41:43] minutes for lunch. So, um

[2:41:46] >> I come back a little early actually

[2:41:48] since we're we're sort of a little tiny

[2:41:50] behind. We're about

[2:41:54] » We're 13 minutes behind and we are we

[2:41:58] come back in

[2:42:01] Is [laughter]

[2:42:02] >> do you hear him initiating 17 minutes?

[2:42:05] >> Are you okay if we come back around

[2:42:07] noon? Is that okay? We can kind of start

[2:42:08] to to be here at noon to go backwards.

[2:42:10] Sandwiches have names on them. Um and

[2:42:13] then of course we have refreshments and

[2:42:14] drinks out and you're welcome to sit

[2:42:16] here.

[2:42:17] >> There's not tables out there but there

[2:42:18] is benches welcome to

[2:42:19] >> and our recording has stopped. I will

[2:42:21] turn it off right now. [clears throat]

[2:42:22] Can I just add a parking lot thing

[2:42:25] before we go on on our main page where

[2:42:27] we go back to look at our scores?

[2:42:30] >> I don't know if you are allowed to move

[2:42:33] them in the same order we're reviewing

[2:42:35] them. I know they are on the small one,

[2:42:37] but on the main

[2:42:39] not right Yeah.

[2:59:15] Okay, let's bring this to order.

[2:59:18] >> Team, we're on to Oh, it's me again.

[2:59:21] Okay. Utah Symphony, Utah Opera.

[2:59:26] So

[2:59:27] um generally the strengths and

[2:59:30] weaknesses

[2:59:32] some of these I think I wrote myself.

[2:59:34] Okay. And observations

[2:59:36] uh I went to I will say [clears throat]

[2:59:38] I did two things. I met with the

[2:59:41] executive director

[2:59:43] um

[2:59:46] and their business development person

[2:59:48] and uh I think yeah another board member

[2:59:51] back in May.

[2:59:53] I also attended

[2:59:56] uh

[2:59:58] two events

[3:00:01] and I was really impressed. I mean I've

[3:00:03] always been impressed with a symphony.

[3:00:05] Years ago they had the lollipops program

[3:00:07] that we used to bring our family to

[3:00:10] which is geared towards kids. Maybe some

[3:00:13] others have done that and they continue

[3:00:14] to do those things and they have

[3:00:16] programming going on pretty much year

[3:00:18] round. Um, as far as affordability is

[3:00:21] concerned, I found they have you can go

[3:00:25] to rehearsal programs.

[3:00:27] >> So, I paid $19 to see I like classical

[3:00:30] music. So, I went to see the Brookner

[3:00:32] Symphony for 19 bucks, you know, general

[3:00:35] admission like at 10:30 in the morning.

[3:00:37] I thought, well, that's great, you know,

[3:00:39] and it was pretty it was like the night

[3:00:40] or two before their actual performance

[3:00:42] and it's pretty on target with what they

[3:00:44] were going to do. I thought, well,

[3:00:46] that's pretty affordable. And then

[3:00:48] they've got a whole bunch of packages

[3:00:49] and so on. I already mentioned about the

[3:00:52] board. They have 47 board members of

[3:00:55] different tiers and there's a lot of

[3:00:57] give get. It's pretty expensive to be on

[3:01:00] the board.

[3:01:00] >> Very

[3:01:01] >> maybe a little bit intimidating frankly

[3:01:03] to try to be on the board. Some of them

[3:01:05] are some of the board members are from

[3:01:07] the largest corporations. So some of

[3:01:09] those board members are uh I think you

[3:01:12] know their organizations are

[3:01:14] compensating for their board position on

[3:01:16] that. Um

[3:01:19] and it's almost all exclusively a

[3:01:21] district one and four and uh so I think

[3:01:25] you know with the 47 board members can't

[3:01:27] they do more to you know diversify that

[3:01:30] and then the programming too um they

[3:01:33] have a lot of outreach but again the

[3:01:34] activities I think are centered on

[3:01:37] bringing people to the venue. Another

[3:01:39] issue is that their venue is up for

[3:01:41] grabs because there's going to be

[3:01:42] redevelopment down in Salt Lake starting

[3:01:44] next year. So they're a little bit

[3:01:45] concerned about where they're going to

[3:01:46] go and perform. So maybe they'll perform

[3:01:50] here. Maybe they'll go to the Murray

[3:01:51] Theater. I don't know. [laughter]

[3:01:54] >> It could,

[3:01:54] >> but uh you know those possibilities, but

[3:01:57] generally it's you know an excellent um

[3:02:00] I mean [snorts] every every city of Node

[3:02:03] has to have a symphony. They're a

[3:02:04] terrific symphony. I was um it's not

[3:02:08] really reflected here in the comments. I

[3:02:10] think they're still if I were to compare

[3:02:12] them ballet west they're still working

[3:02:14] on their metrics trying to understand

[3:02:17] in fact [snorts]

[3:02:19] um I gauge this to a couple of people I

[3:02:21] would ask follow-up questions and I said

[3:02:23] in particular they were talking about

[3:02:25] trying a lot of different programming

[3:02:26] contemporary programming you may have

[3:02:28] noticed that they've got the orchestra

[3:02:30] playing along with uh films and doing a

[3:02:34] bunch of eclectic kinds of things and I

[3:02:35] said I asked them and I wrote to them I

[3:02:38] said would you please inform inform me

[3:02:40] of what success you're having with that.

[3:02:43] I didn't get any response to it. So,

[3:02:44] that's a little bit of a ding to me

[3:02:46] >> that maybe they either don't have it or

[3:02:48] they don't think it's important because

[3:02:49] the application doesn't necessarily

[3:02:51] emphasize that they should know more

[3:02:52] about that.

[3:02:53] >> You know, you ask Ballet West or a

[3:02:55] couple others, they really try to on it.

[3:02:57] They can tell you, yeah, our

[3:02:58] contemporary program series is done a

[3:03:01] lot to bring in 20somes, you know, to

[3:03:04] make this not just about old people, you

[3:03:06] know, coming to see the symphony, but uh

[3:03:09] the performances they have first rate,

[3:03:11] the talent is just terrific. Their

[3:03:14] ability to to do all kinds of uh types

[3:03:18] of performances and genres is really

[3:03:20] impressive. You know, they'll do

[3:03:22] Beatles, they'll do I mean, it's just is

[3:03:24] really terrific. So, but where they go

[3:03:26] in terms of the venues in the future, I

[3:03:28] think they're still trying to sort that

[3:03:29] out and that goes to a scenario

[3:03:31] planning. There was a lot of discussion

[3:03:33] back in May about that and I'm not sure

[3:03:34] they've made much progress on that. You

[3:03:36] would think that they because it's been

[3:03:37] coming for a couple years already. So,

[3:03:41] [clears throat]

[3:03:42] >> that's it. Anybody have anything?

[3:03:44] >> I had a question. So,

[3:03:46] >> the needed to draw cash cash reserves

[3:03:49] >> um without I I that was one of my

[3:03:51] comments. I don't know if anyone else

[3:03:52] commented that, but did they explain

[3:03:55] what that was? I

[3:03:56] >> I just didn't know if I missed it in the

[3:03:58] application.

[3:04:00] It's the third bullet on the weaknesses.

[3:04:04] It was just the briefly mentioned in the

[3:04:06] application. I don't Okay, sorry.

[3:04:09] >> Tori didn't say it was inaccurate.

[3:04:11] >> It was not inaccurate.

[3:04:12] >> It was inaccurate, but we don't have the

[3:04:14] specifics.

[3:04:15] >> She didn't say that she had questions

[3:04:16] about it or was confused. She was

[3:04:18] >> Okay. I did attend their tour that they

[3:04:20] did for um the celebration there. I

[3:04:23] don't know how many hundred at the

[3:04:25] capital and that was well attended.

[3:04:27] There were thousands of people there. I

[3:04:28] think it exceeded um the numbers they

[3:04:30] were expecting. I know I reached out to

[3:04:32] I think it was stamped because I had

[3:04:33] RSVPd on their online system for tickets

[3:04:36] and I never got anything back. So then I

[3:04:38] went ahead and RSVP again because it was

[3:04:41] although it was free, they just I think

[3:04:42] they wanted to get like a headcount or

[3:04:44] manage crowds. I just got back. So, I

[3:04:46] was a little confused and I reached out

[3:04:49] to Gary and said, "Oh, yeah, just, you

[3:04:50] know, someone over." But I wasn't. The

[3:04:53] performance was amazing. It was packed.

[3:04:55] There were um people from the governor's

[3:04:57] office there. There were people from

[3:04:59] like the mayor's like Salt Lake City

[3:05:00] mayor's office and just people just

[3:05:02] enjoying with their family like out on

[3:05:05] the lawn. Just thousands.

[3:05:06] >> Well, they do. Uh so, the other thing I

[3:05:08] was and I wondered about

[3:05:10] they I mean they do a huge summer series

[3:05:12] in Deer Valley.

[3:05:14] Um, I'm [clears throat] not sure they're

[3:05:16] doing such a series like at the Sandy

[3:05:18] Amphitheater or some other places.

[3:05:20] >> They do one free concert at the Sandy

[3:05:22] Amphitheater usually every year.

[3:05:24] >> They do.

[3:05:25] >> Yeah.

[3:05:26] >> I wonder if the Daybreak new go Larry H.

[3:05:31] Miller Center might be helpful for their

[3:05:34] space issue. I don't know. I don't know

[3:05:37] what the actual size of that is going to

[3:05:39] be comparative to this because this is

[3:05:42] the model for that center.

[3:05:44] >> Okay.

[3:05:45] >> But I don't know how it's going to

[3:05:46] compare. Does anybody in staff happen to

[3:05:48] know?

[3:05:48] >> I live right next to that and it's going

[3:05:49] up really. It looks like it's going up

[3:05:51] pretty fast.

[3:05:52] >> Yeah. The main stage is 800 seats.

[3:05:55] >> Okay. Versus our 500. Oh yeah, Matt,

[3:05:57] you're here. You wouldn't know.

[3:05:58] [laughter]

[3:05:59] >> This is an option.

[3:06:01] >> Yeah, that will open in 20 follow 2028.

[3:06:04] So

[3:06:05] >> has C symphony approached staff uh about

[3:06:08] venues in the future other county

[3:06:09] alternatives they're working on that

[3:06:15] » county is really helping shepherd them

[3:06:16] to find different places they're hoping

[3:06:18] to find some we understand

[3:06:20] I had a chance of their executives and

[3:06:23] they mentioned that maybe their artistic

[3:06:24] people will find an opportunity to um

[3:06:28] find some silver lining about new

[3:06:30] audiences with these different locations

[3:06:32] and learn some new things So,

[3:06:34] >> can they can they be mobile? I mean, can

[3:06:36] they bring the orchestra to different

[3:06:39] places? Very

[3:06:39] >> They do. They go to the community

[3:06:41] college, they go to the amphitheater.

[3:06:43] And I think maybe that's the option too.

[3:06:46] Can you do more just wind? Can you do

[3:06:49] >> right? Can you segment even just

[3:06:50] portions of the orchestra to fill some

[3:06:53] of these other venues?

[3:06:54] >> I know that some members of the

[3:06:56] orchestra do have their own private

[3:06:57] breakout groups that we do. like one of

[3:06:59] them they have a they do classical music

[3:07:01] at bars to make it a more casual like

[3:07:03] but that's not part of the symphony

[3:07:04] that's just they're just friends

[3:07:06] >> but there are opportunities for them do

[3:07:08] that to spread the county and do

[3:07:10] >> the county is partnering with them

[3:07:11] that's Matt's thing but uh partnering

[3:07:14] with them to find possible locations

[3:07:16] when's closed and so

[3:07:18] >> I know our time is up people want to

[3:07:20] adjust their scores

[3:07:24] >> 13.6 six. We've got them listed as

[3:07:26] strong. And then [clears throat] it

[3:07:27] sounds like all the comments are okay.

[3:07:29] We added we'll add some obviously from

[3:07:30] the discussion, but comments are okay.

[3:07:33] >> Okay, that wraps up the second

[3:07:35] discipline. That was music

[3:07:38] and we will move on. Oh, look at that.

[3:07:41] You've been the timer [laughter]

[3:07:43] >> under the bar. I feel like balloons

[3:07:45] should jump from the ceiling when

[3:07:47] >> first time for everything.

[3:07:50] >> Don't worry.

[3:07:52] [laughter]

[3:07:56] » I should have known better. I just said

[3:07:57] leave it up to Cody.

[3:07:59] >> Starlight Film Society next.

[3:08:01] >> So just two in the media arts and that

[3:08:03] one is

[3:08:05] uh looks like Andrea. That's me.

[3:08:09] [clears throat]

[3:08:09] >> Yeah.

[3:08:11] >> I'm ready to go.

[3:08:12] >> I'm ready. Let's go.

[3:08:13] >> All right. So, Salt Lake Film Society,

[3:08:16] um I actually attended their board

[3:08:19] meeting just prior to going to one of

[3:08:22] their film screenings

[3:08:24] and it was nice to see um the board

[3:08:28] turnout in person was pretty good. They

[3:08:30] had a few people uh who weren't able to

[3:08:33] be there because they were working on

[3:08:34] projects. Um, so it's uh good to see the working relationship that the

[3:08:40] executive director had with the board

[3:08:42] members and kind of their interest in

[3:08:45] um their new venue that they're they're

[3:08:48] working on the tower and funding and

[3:08:50] raising funds for that and and putting

[3:08:52] all of their efforts into that. They do

[3:08:55] have a few board members who are

[3:08:57] outgoing who have served for quite a

[3:08:59] long time and um they're ready to just

[3:09:02] uh step away, but I think they wanted to

[3:09:04] just get through that COVID transition

[3:09:06] and and get to

[3:09:08] um a good place that way. Um I was

[3:09:10] really impressed with their renovations.

[3:09:12] They did um use um reached out to a

[3:09:17] Japanese believe it was company to do

[3:09:20] sustainable. So they redid revamped the

[3:09:22] interior of the theater. did everything

[3:09:24] so it's sustainable. So, for example,

[3:09:26] like the carpets that they're using are

[3:09:27] recycled, made from recycled um plastic

[3:09:30] water bottles, uh the seating and stuff

[3:09:33] like that. Everything that could be done

[3:09:36] in a sustainable way. They feel like

[3:09:38] [clears throat] it's kind of like a a

[3:09:39] model for other theaters to look towards

[3:09:43] forwards to. Um the film that I saw was

[3:09:47] very well done. It was I chose to do it

[3:09:50] through pick the Polynesian one. So they

[3:09:53] offer um they kind of do this like

[3:09:56] cultural representation. I think they

[3:09:57] have Ukrainian, Polynesian is one and

[3:09:59] they work with those specific programs

[3:10:01] to bring that type of film there. I

[3:10:03] thought the film was done really well.

[3:10:05] They also had a panelist very well done

[3:10:08] and a lot of the Osher people were there

[3:10:11] for that film screening. So it was good

[3:10:13] to see kind of that space filled in. um

[3:10:16] the gentleman that they chose, he works

[3:10:18] in mental health. And so the film had to

[3:10:20] do a lot with mental health and um just

[3:10:24] a very respectful way of answering those

[3:10:27] questions and kind of that back and

[3:10:28] forth dialogue. So that's kind of unique

[3:10:30] to them, you know, for a different film

[3:10:33] setting. Now, she did mention um

[3:10:37] [clears throat] let me think quick um

[3:10:40] they did invite members from the

[3:10:41] Polynesian community. They were

[3:10:42] represented there. So they did they did

[3:10:44] have a lot of coordination there. So

[3:10:46] that was really nice to see. Um in

[3:10:50] speaking with the executive director,

[3:10:51] she did have her Zap signage. It was

[3:10:53] really nice. Posted very prominently. Um

[3:10:57] they do have a good volunteer base that

[3:11:00] uh their volunteers very loyal to them.

[3:11:01] They treat their volunteers well um as

[3:11:04] you're coming in. Those are the people

[3:11:05] that are kind of taking your tickets are

[3:11:07] the volunteers, very very knowledgeable.

[3:11:09] Um

[3:11:11] so that was nice to see. I felt like

[3:11:14] um

[3:11:17] she did mention that it's a little bit

[3:11:19] challenging to do marketing and or like

[3:11:21] kind of in a sense because they don't

[3:11:23] have the ability to plan ahead like do

[3:11:27] the same thing that Ballet West would do

[3:11:28] or the Utah Symphony would do and those

[3:11:30] are kind of examples that she used like

[3:11:32] oh they know their programming a few

[3:11:33] years in advance whereas us it's just

[3:11:35] happening in such a quick

[3:11:39] >> turnover time because that's just the

[3:11:41] nature of the industry. like the way

[3:11:42] that films come in and stuff like that.

[3:11:44] They do have a lot of um movies going on

[3:11:48] at the same time too.

[3:11:49] >> So, and I tried to ask about like

[3:11:51] attendance and numbers and how is this

[3:11:54] going and I think they're still trying

[3:11:56] to build up that

[3:11:57] >> the metrics partic

[3:12:04] I have a question. Has the conversation

[3:12:07] come up why they're trying to I mean I

[3:12:10] go to both but why are they trying to

[3:12:12] sustain these programs in two different

[3:12:16] venues? It seems to me that far apart.

[3:12:18] >> Yeah, that's one of the

[3:12:21] >> question because it's the same almost

[3:12:23] the same location.

[3:12:25] Yeah, I noticed that too and I honestly

[3:12:28] don't have

[3:12:30] >> an answer and I don't think that that

[3:12:31] was brought up. I was kind of listening

[3:12:32] to that before. Although they're really

[3:12:35] excited to have the tower and it's any

[3:12:38] treasure and symbol.

[3:12:39] >> Yeah.

[3:12:41] >> They I I attended a um a preview of the

[3:12:45] tower renovation of capital campaign

[3:12:48] effort and um they they are want to add

[3:12:53] new levels to the building and

[3:12:55] >> at the tower.

[3:12:56] >> Yeah. For event space. So they see it as

[3:12:58] a revenue opportunity. They also want to

[3:13:00] do some smaller mini theaters that you

[3:13:03] can rent out for private events. So like

[3:13:07] you know your 15 closest friends and

[3:13:10] have a little party and watch.

[3:13:12] >> So

[3:13:12] >> they own that building, right?

[3:13:14] >> Uhhuh.

[3:13:14] >> But they don't own the the Broadway.

[3:13:17] >> No.

[3:13:17] >> So that's a lease situation in the

[3:13:19] Broadway,

[3:13:21] >> right?

[3:13:22] >> Which might mean a permanent homes not

[3:13:24] so permanent in the Broadway.

[3:13:27] >> I felt like the location was good

[3:13:28] though.

[3:13:29] >> No.

[3:13:30] location is such [clears throat] an

[3:13:32] issue downtown. So that is road trips

[3:13:36] >> and then partnership with oer too.

[3:13:39] >> What is oer?

[3:13:40] >> Um it's partner university round up for

[3:13:45] like a population. So they

[3:13:49] oer

[3:13:50] >> they were a grantee. It's actually

[3:13:51] grantee not this year but they have in

[3:13:53] the past and they help with the age and

[3:13:55] publication. Um I went to a very

[3:13:57] commercial film not too long ago. Um,

[3:13:59] what's the one that just came out? It

[3:14:00] was big. It was commercial.

[3:14:01] >> Odyssey.

[3:14:02] I hadn't been there in a really

[3:14:04] long time. I did notice a lot of Zap

[3:14:06] promotion. Um, even in their even like

[3:14:08] while you're sitting there. Sorry.

[3:14:10] Broadway. Wait.

[3:14:13] >> Yeah. Um, and some things I noticed they

[3:14:15] have. It's everywhere. It's it's on big

[3:14:17] signs, small signs, doorways, everything

[3:14:19] that the divide the screens say it up

[3:14:22] there more than one time.

[3:14:23] >> Um, I thought that was a different

[3:14:25] experience. I think their volunteers

[3:14:26] make it a different experience. It's not

[3:14:27] just somebody waiting on you to hand you

[3:14:28] a thing of popcorn. They really want you

[3:14:30] to feel comfortable there.

[3:14:31] >> I was going to suggest that same thing.

[3:14:33] I think when volunteer programs are

[3:14:35] exceptional. We need to note that for

[3:14:37] that.

[3:14:37] >> It was great. Like we they were like,

[3:14:39] "Well, where's your parking?" And I was

[3:14:41] like, "Where's your parking? Like you

[3:14:43] get free parking." I was like,

[3:14:45] >> "I don't know. It's in the car." And he

[3:14:46] said, "Go run up, get it before we close

[3:14:48] the doors."

[3:14:48] >> Yeah.

[3:14:48] >> And I was like, "Unlock the doors."

[3:14:50] Because they locked, which I I'd love.

[3:14:51] But uh it's just really interesting that

[3:14:53] it's just a different experience that

[3:14:54] their volunteers make you feel like you

[3:14:56] belong cuz I was like I don't belong

[3:14:58] here. Like I don't I'm not such a film

[3:14:59] buff. I don't know how all this works.

[3:15:01] Everybody's worked for Sundance lives in

[3:15:03] Utah, but I did my one season and that

[3:15:04] was it. Right.

[3:15:06] >> Um and they just I don't know just it

[3:15:07] was a different experience than making

[3:15:08] sure you're you're getting your stuff

[3:15:10] and getting in on time and which theater

[3:15:11] it's at and parking and again the the

[3:15:14] signage was really solid for us.

[3:15:16] >> Yeah.

[3:15:16] >> And did you understand what the living

[3:15:18] villa living building challenge is? So I

[3:15:20] didn't understand that what you just

[3:15:23] talked about.

[3:15:25] >> That's what they mean.

[3:15:27] >> It's it's beyond that actually. It um is

[3:15:30] it's like beyond lead um it is um

[3:15:35] intended to be like a community center

[3:15:37] in the case of an emergency and stuff

[3:15:39] like that

[3:15:40] >> and and and kind of a community

[3:15:43] building. I didn't understand that from

[3:15:45] what I read, but

[3:15:47] >> I I thought that was a little unclear,

[3:15:50] but I think this um I have a question of

[3:15:54] if they've talked about Sundance and s

[3:15:58] affecting their sustainability.

[3:16:00] >> Yeah. Um, I think it

[3:16:03] from what I remember they said that it

[3:16:05] did, but it's also like that's why

[3:16:08] they're they feel like they're an

[3:16:10] important have an important place in the

[3:16:12] community and that they're now offering

[3:16:14] that to filmmakers and to artists who

[3:16:17] want to showcase their dance or who want

[3:16:19] to make documentaries and have that

[3:16:21] space to create. or sometimes they could

[3:16:24] do that and now that's not so that's

[3:16:27] >> that's like their role is going to be

[3:16:30] >> love to see talking about zap

[3:16:33] collaboration so say like spyhot needs

[3:16:36] more venues to be able to work together

[3:16:38] through their zap relationships

[3:16:41] >> getting them again u mingling together

[3:16:44] networking purposefully intentional tier

[3:16:46] 2 on their own disciplines it was 11.1

[3:16:50] you listed them as adequate is that

[3:16:52] staying the same? Does that need to

[3:16:54] change? And then the comments, are there

[3:16:55] all accurate? I think the comment that

[3:16:56] you did talk about that was the third

[3:16:58] second bullet point under board member

[3:16:59] observations. I think you we listed it

[3:17:02] well if you hope just saying it's

[3:17:03] unclear. And so if they do share that

[3:17:04] next year because I think it is a plus,

[3:17:06] we they need to help the board

[3:17:07] understand what it what it is and why to

[3:17:11] right. I think what you're saying.

[3:17:13] >> Anything else on that one?

[3:17:17] >> Okay. The second modify my support. Oh,

[3:17:20] okay. Go ahead.

[3:17:23] Um a second and final for the um media

[3:17:28] arts

[3:17:29] film. Peter, that's you again.

[3:17:32] >> Yeah. [clears throat] Okay.

[3:17:35] So, let's see.

[3:17:39] » Yeah.

[3:17:44] » And want just to leave.

[3:17:47] >> Oh, I'm so I'm so sorry. Yes. I'll let you know if you come back in.

[3:17:53] Sorry,

[3:17:53] >> Heidi, you have insider information.

[3:17:55] [laughter]

[3:17:58] So, uh, yeah, I, uh,

[3:18:03] I reviewed them in my first or second

[3:18:06] year

[3:18:07] when they were nomads. In other words,

[3:18:10] their screenings were in parks and other

[3:18:12] venues. They didn't have their own

[3:18:14] center. And last year, the year before

[3:18:16] when they opened their own center, I was

[3:18:18] a little skeptical like, okay, does that

[3:18:21] mean you're not going to be out and

[3:18:22] about in the county, which I thought was

[3:18:24] a real advantage for them, you know, to

[3:18:26] have these programs. But I came away

[3:18:28] convinced. I went to their board

[3:18:29] meeting. I met with Mariah Melis and

[3:18:32] Megan Horn Her um you know, separately

[3:18:35] and I've attended a few of their events.

[3:18:37] They've done a magnificent job.

[3:18:39] [clears throat] there in the four it's

[3:18:42] on 400 South uh you know near the

[3:18:47] west high school

[3:18:48] >> born and north

[3:18:49] >> born to north excuse me correct for the

[3:18:51] north

[3:18:52] >> near the west high school right so um

[3:18:54] they've done a really nice job and they

[3:18:58] created artist studios there for

[3:18:59] filmmakers independent filmmakers they

[3:19:01] collaborate with the spyhawk group which

[3:19:03] is the the youth group so they have some

[3:19:06] of them graduating from spyhop and now

[3:19:09] continuing on with filmmakers. Um,

[3:19:11] coincidentally, last night my wife and I

[3:19:13] attended a film. I disclosure I joined

[3:19:16] the movie.

[3:19:18] [laughter]

[3:19:19] So, last night we went and saw a film on

[3:19:22] F1 student visas, international students

[3:19:26] that was produced uh by a Taiwanese

[3:19:30] woman who went to the University of

[3:19:32] Utah. And it's, you know, uh,

[3:19:35] chronicling their experiences. you know,

[3:19:38] one was from Mali, one was from

[3:19:40] Bangladesh, and they do a lot of these

[3:19:42] films like that. They different voices,

[3:19:44] different perspectives,

[3:19:46] and I think it's a magnificent thing

[3:19:48] they're doing. They've gotten pretty

[3:19:50] sophisticated on the, you know,

[3:19:52] combination of earn revenue and public

[3:19:54] funding and so on and trying to use the film center as a place where uh uh

[3:20:02] filmmakers can pay a modest amount to be

[3:20:04] able to use their editing facilities and

[3:20:05] also host events. um uh corporations go

[3:20:10] and use as an event center. Uh I think

[3:20:13] Zans is included in that Heidi's group.

[3:20:17] So I think they've done a really good

[3:20:19] job with that. And I I came away they're

[3:20:21] still doing uh films in the parks. So

[3:20:25] they're still doing some of those

[3:20:26] things. at Liberty Park and um um I I

[3:20:31] did I did I did encourage a

[3:20:34] collaboration with Murray Theater, which

[3:20:36] I think may come off, you know, because

[3:20:38] they can,

[3:20:39] >> you know, they're also looking for to to

[3:20:43] uh create a coalition for festivals to

[3:20:46] replace Sundance, you know, with

[3:20:48] independent artists and bring other

[3:20:49] artists in and producers and so on. They

[3:20:51] do have an concern Journal Drifus who's

[3:20:55] been a real force and founder for it.

[3:20:57] She will probably be retired in the next

[3:20:59] couple years. They've assured me she

[3:21:01] goes to film festivals around the world

[3:21:03] and from there they find producer money

[3:21:05] and sponsors for some of the filmmakers.

[3:21:09] They've assured me that now they have

[3:21:11] some of their team tagging along with

[3:21:13] her to get those introductions to

[3:21:14] maintain those relationships. So they

[3:21:17] are working on su succession planning in

[3:21:20] that regard.

[3:21:22] [clears throat] Can

[3:21:24] >> I just piggy back on that? That is one

[3:21:27] of those issues always when I looked at

[3:21:29] this on sustainability.

[3:21:31] >> The way they represented it in the

[3:21:33] application I think really could be they

[3:21:37] talked about her even though she's kind

[3:21:39] of an institution but what their plans

[3:21:41] are and that was important to me to look

[3:21:43] at.

[3:21:44] >> You were dealing with that. I thought

[3:21:46] Yeah. And

[3:21:48] >> well, I mean, no, I thought I I wasn't

[3:21:51] satisfied with

[3:21:54] >> Yeah.

[3:21:54] >> their answer to that.

[3:21:55] >> Yeah. The the answer I wasn't satisfied with that. Yes. She's been an

[3:22:00] institution and that's a big concern for

[3:22:03] me to see how they will transition on

[3:22:06] that and I didn't feel like that got

[3:22:08] there.

[3:22:11] >> Yeah. In fact,

[3:22:12] >> back it up. That was one of my

[3:22:17] follow-up emails.

[3:22:19] And um see

[3:22:24] what was the answer to that.

[3:22:32] Yeah, that that is a concern with

[3:22:35] somebody that it's like Linda Smith to

[3:22:38] know they've got a plan.

[3:22:41] >> That's definitely noted in the

[3:22:42] weaknesses. second bullet point.

[3:22:44] >> Yeah.

[3:22:46] >> Yep.

[3:22:47] And I think it's something that could be

[3:22:49] passed on to them. They did respond to

[3:22:50] me. Now I can't find the response. I

[3:22:52] copied all these things from the emails

[3:22:54] and now I can't find it. So,

[3:22:58] but I did raise that with them.

[3:23:02] I I did really I I found it really

[3:23:04] commendable um and unique that they were

[3:23:07] trying to find fiscal sponsorships for

[3:23:11] filmmakers and matching them up to

[3:23:14] people of similar like the similar

[3:23:16] interests right so that was a very clear

[3:23:20] and intentional

[3:23:21] um approach to a problem right for them

[3:23:25] in a multitude of ways that and it had

[3:23:27] um a lot of answers as a result what

[3:23:30] they do with

[3:23:31] It was a little hard to understand, but

[3:23:34] basically they're finding producers,

[3:23:35] >> right?

[3:23:36] >> People with money,

[3:23:37] >> right?

[3:23:37] >> And that's the point of going to the

[3:23:38] festivals

[3:23:39] >> and they take a 5% commission,

[3:23:42] >> right,

[3:23:42] >> on that on top of it. Yes.

[3:23:44] >> For the filmmakers for people that are

[3:23:46] want to participate film

[3:23:48] >> to sponsor movies like the one I said I

[3:23:50] saw last night. So, it's very creative.

[3:23:53] They're thinking about that and they are

[3:23:55] thinking about the business orientation

[3:23:56] for that and to be able to support the,

[3:23:59] you know, the the film.

[3:24:02] >> Anyone else comments or questions?

[3:24:04] >> Again, I think just the the only the

[3:24:07] most prominent weakness for me was the

[3:24:09] lack of those grassroots relationships

[3:24:11] with other organizations throughout the

[3:24:12] county.

[3:24:13] >> Um, yeah, just being concerned that

[3:24:16] they're going to be hidebound to just

[3:24:18] sticking with, you know,

[3:24:19] >> 400 North,

[3:24:20] >> right? that you know that they don't

[3:24:23] lose sight of getting

[3:24:24] >> they did go to West Jordan the Vidian

[3:24:26] Arts Center for one or two elements but

[3:24:28] it does there certainly with what they

[3:24:30] provide they have probably more

[3:24:32] flexibility than let's say the symphony

[3:24:34] right with what they can

[3:24:37] >> relative

[3:24:38] right and since they were accustomed to

[3:24:40] doing that before they had the center so

[3:24:43] >> so last year it looks like of the 23

[3:24:45] municipalities

[3:24:46] including Salt Lake City they reached

[3:24:48] out to they got to 16 locations we'll

[3:24:50] just have to see over time. Maybe, you

[3:24:53] know, maybe it's the comment. We can

[3:24:54] maybe flip it a little bit, but

[3:24:57] >> expectation is still there, right? You

[3:24:58] love that they did that. It's but you

[3:25:00] don't want to see that go away.

[3:25:02] >> And maybe next year in the application,

[3:25:03] we asked them to give examples of what

[3:25:05] those activities are because they

[3:25:07] numerically I I don't understand what

[3:25:09] they are because

[3:25:10] >> they mentioned Murray and I wasn't aware

[3:25:12] of what they were.

[3:25:13] >> I agree. And again going back to IC and

[3:25:15] POPS did some organizations include

[3:25:17] those numbers in there or do they

[3:25:19] include like so we do need greater

[3:25:21] clarification when we talk about the

[3:25:22] application for next year for metric

[3:25:24] >> maybe that's a parking lot.

[3:25:27] >> Yep.

[3:25:28] >> And in addition to that is what they

[3:25:31] groups come to these where the group is

[3:25:36] like kids are one of those areas.

[3:25:39] >> That's correct.

[3:25:40] >> Yeah. I see.

[3:25:42] Yes.

[3:25:43] >> Um that concludes that one.

[3:25:46] >> Any score changes?

[3:25:47] >> Any comment [clears throat] changes.

[3:25:54] » So that takes care of media.

[3:25:56] >> That takes care of media arts.

[3:25:58] >> Um we're going to if that's okay not to

[3:26:00] take a break quite yet or do let's go.

[3:26:02] Okay. Botanicals are next. Let's line up

[3:26:05] the botanicals. The first one is

[3:26:08] Redbute.

[3:26:09] uh an on dash after rebute to be

[3:26:13] prepared because rebute is on um sorry I

[3:26:17] drew a blank I wouldn't call you place

[3:26:19] too [laughter]

[3:26:21] um and then a uh then Andrea then oh I

[3:26:25] forgot you had two huh I still have to

[3:26:28] talk about

[3:26:30] [clears throat]

[3:26:32] » okay so Review um so I did get a tour of

[3:26:36] the of the place I I've been to Review

[3:26:38] several times before, but I didn't

[3:26:40] realize how large it was. Um, they are

[3:26:42] excellent stewards of that of that land

[3:26:44] and the plants. They're very, everyone I

[3:26:46] talked to is very knowledgeable about

[3:26:48] the history of each of the plants. It

[3:26:50] was really really cool. Um, I was very

[3:26:53] impressed by their adaptiveness. So, um,

[3:26:57] I think it started in CO they had these

[3:26:59] like educational bins that they send out

[3:27:02] to schools and things and it went so

[3:27:03] well they've expanded and this last year

[3:27:06] they expanded it even more. they now

[3:27:07] have a dedicated room just to store and

[3:27:09] like manage the ins and outs of these

[3:27:11] bins being sent out. So that is that was

[3:27:14] something that I didn't feel was was

[3:27:15] mentioned a whole lot in the

[3:27:17] application, but when they explained to

[3:27:18] me it's like we should mention it more

[3:27:20] because it's a way for them to um get

[3:27:22] more outreach because they are just you

[3:27:24] know one physical location. Um they are

[3:27:28] currently working on expanding Wi-Fi

[3:27:30] access to the entire um garden which I

[3:27:33] thought was incredible because they

[3:27:34] noticed people like going there, working

[3:27:36] there, their students, right? Remote

[3:27:38] work. And that was another example of

[3:27:40] them just noticing what their their

[3:27:43] people their audience needs and adapting

[3:27:45] to that. And then another one was they

[3:27:49] are going to start experimenting with

[3:27:51] earlier hours of opening. Um they said

[3:27:54] that they've had some feedback um of

[3:27:56] people just wanting to get there a

[3:27:57] little earlier when it's cooler. Um

[3:28:00] they've seen other places like I think

[3:28:02] the aquarium does like yoga and things

[3:28:03] and there's some other um places that do

[3:28:06] that. So they want to try to do those

[3:28:08] things. And so I I was very impressed by

[3:28:10] how much they really take feedback from

[3:28:13] their audience but also notice what

[3:28:15] other organizations are doing and try to

[3:28:17] incorporate right the best parts and

[3:28:20] they're always improving.

[3:28:22] um their volunteer program I was very

[3:28:25] impressed by. Also, um they have a wait

[3:28:27] list for the volunteer program which is

[3:28:29] incredible. I know that um

[3:28:31] [clears throat]

[3:28:32] >> Yeah. So, if you want to volunteer, good

[3:28:34] luck. Um but [laughter] I I know

[3:28:37] >> weeds in my house.

[3:28:39] >> Yeah. So, so people just really love the the guard. I know for example um un

[3:28:44] uh the symphony was having a hard time

[3:28:46] getting enough volunteers, right? Um and

[3:28:48] so this in contrast that's like that's

[3:28:50] very impressive. Um,

[3:28:53] let's see. I'm trying to make sure I go

[3:28:55] through um as far as their weaknesses um

[3:28:58] or just concerns that they had I think

[3:29:00] was more um I think it's in Yes, it's in

[3:29:04] under the observations on this sheet. Um

[3:29:07] I think those are all from me. Um but

[3:29:09] something that they were saying was that

[3:29:11] the uh free events they think with this

[3:29:14] is their theory with um there are a lot

[3:29:17] of newer social media channels that talk

[3:29:20] about like free things to do in Utah,

[3:29:22] right? And so people especially in this

[3:29:24] economy, they're always looking for free

[3:29:26] things. And so this year specifically,

[3:29:28] they've had a huge jump in um attendees

[3:29:31] for those. and they've been struggling

[3:29:33] to balance how to strategize supporting

[3:29:36] that with like janitorial and and staff

[3:29:38] and reevents. Um, so that's just an

[3:29:41] ongoing thing that they are keeping an

[3:29:42] eye on. Um, and then the nationwide

[3:29:45] trend of just ticket sales for concerts

[3:29:47] just not being where they were

[3:29:49] previously. Um,

[3:29:53] I'll stop there. Yes.

[3:29:55] >> [laughter]

[3:29:56] >> Yeah, they really seem to have had a lot

[3:29:58] more sold out shows in prior seasons.

[3:30:02] >> Manny, did you say you went to a

[3:30:03] concert?

[3:30:04] >> No, no, I I have years ago, but but I

[3:30:06] I've been to the Garden. It's just nice

[3:30:08] to visit.

[3:30:09] >> I think that they just their their slate

[3:30:11] of shows have grown so much. Like when I

[3:30:13] used to be a season ticket holder 15 and

[3:30:15] 20 years ago, it was like eight or nine

[3:30:16] shows a year. Now they're up to 31 or

[3:30:18] 32. So, I think that is going to be a

[3:30:21] natural, right? people can only go to so

[3:30:24] many shows and as much as their demand

[3:30:26] got high. Um I went to Bob Marley this

[3:30:29] year it was very good but I I felt like

[3:30:31] there were some really unique things

[3:30:33] about them this year. I um made a

[3:30:35] comment outstanding partnership um work

[3:30:38] for reduced or free garden access

[3:30:40] promoting organizations with aligned

[3:30:41] goals and sharing resources of natural

[3:30:43] materials to reduce waste and encourage

[3:30:46] um cost and efficiency. So again, I I

[3:30:49] like things that are multi-layer

[3:30:51] solutions and that bring in other

[3:30:53] partnerships and I felt like Red B was

[3:30:55] doing a really good job of that this

[3:30:57] year. Um but yeah, their give or get

[3:31:00] policy on the board is really hard um to

[3:31:03] swallow, especially based on the fact

[3:31:05] that they have 543 volunteers currently.

[3:31:08] They have a waiting list for volunteers.

[3:31:10] Bring some people into leadership roles

[3:31:12] when you see them being extraordinary

[3:31:14] from your volunteer pool. Right? if you

[3:31:16] if you've got this kind of workforce, um

[3:31:19] find a way to utilize them. But there

[3:31:21] were a couple of really I felt unique

[3:31:23] and creative um ways Spreadbe was doing

[3:31:27] their business this year.

[3:31:28] >> Did you mention [clears throat] this

[3:31:30] already that to just have access to the

[3:31:33] gardens to just go the memberships I

[3:31:36] recall was very reasonable price. You

[3:31:38] can go

[3:31:38] >> I don't remember

[3:31:39] >> to walk around the gardens like less

[3:31:41] than $100.

[3:31:43] >> Yeah, it's very reasonable.

[3:31:44] >> It is pretty Yeah. to just go and enjoy

[3:31:46] the gardens which is really the main

[3:31:48] attraction. And I know a lot of people

[3:31:49] talk about concerts, but

[3:31:51] >> No. Yeah.

[3:31:52] >> And the students of course get

[3:31:54] >> Yeah.

[3:31:54] >> And they do have a lot of conservation

[3:31:56] [clears throat] and education and

[3:31:57] they've done a lot of things to increase

[3:31:59] their revenue opportunities and places.

[3:32:01] But that is sort of a problem with free

[3:32:03] days, right? Because even people who

[3:32:05] could afford to pay will go on a free

[3:32:07] day just because it's free. And so how

[3:32:11] do you build in it's just like allowing

[3:32:13] lower income people to retain their

[3:32:15] dignity not to go only when this

[3:32:17] particular group of people we let you

[3:32:19] come on this day at this time. How are

[3:32:22] they going to allow access for people to

[3:32:25] come in free or discounted in a way that

[3:32:27] isn't only a free day,

[3:32:29] >> right?

[3:32:30] >> And free days are hard to manage though

[3:32:31] too that such a such so many people are

[3:32:33] that security, it's fire code, it's

[3:32:36] restroom cleaning, it's all those

[3:32:37] things. So when they we try to have

[3:32:39] those zap free days, they stress out a

[3:32:41] little bit because they they know the

[3:32:42] volume won't be there. I just want to

[3:32:44] ask one clarification question. The

[3:32:46] third bullet point in the weaknesses, it

[3:32:48] said limited presence programming in

[3:32:49] cities not yet engaged by the garden. I am aware of the kids the kids the

[3:32:55] things that go out to schools or

[3:32:56] whatever, but I just want to make sure I

[3:32:58] see they've done 15 plus Salt Lake City

[3:32:59] that'd be 16, but maybe people just

[3:33:01] don't know about it. I just wanted to

[3:33:02] clarify maybe we could help them with

[3:33:04] that statement

[3:33:07] if anyone's got anything to add to it or

[3:33:10] >> how it's written

[3:33:11] >> yet limited presence in programming in

[3:33:13] cities not yet engaged by the garden. Uh

[3:33:15] when would it is it like for beyond

[3:33:17] school age we're thinking or like a

[3:33:18] presence like um like mobile programming

[3:33:21] like they like partnering with um Tracy

[3:33:24] or something like I just wonder how to

[3:33:25] help them

[3:33:28] because I don't know what their presence

[3:33:29] being in the communities either. Do we

[3:33:32] want that as a botanical? I think that's

[3:33:34] what you're saying right? Do you want

[3:33:35] them to get into more simply just

[3:33:39] >> people know about Red View. It's a

[3:33:41] destination to go there. Mhm. Can they

[3:33:44] do some version of their programming in

[3:33:47] other garden groups of like conservation

[3:33:53] collaborate with some of those collabor

[3:34:05] that would

[3:34:06] >> Yeah, I think we have four botanical

[3:34:08] three botanicals in tier 2 that might

[3:34:10] make sense to put them in there. Okay,

[3:34:12] that's helpful. Thank you. Thank you.

[3:34:15] >> 12.7 is the score. That's a strong.

[3:34:19] Everybody's good with that. And be

[3:34:20] changing anything or anything.

[3:34:23] >> Are we supposed to be locking it in on

[3:34:25] here as we

[3:34:25] >> No, no, it should change. Not like last

[3:34:29] time.

[3:34:29] >> Oh, no. Maybe I'm behind.

[3:34:32] >> Andrea's saving for herself and not for

[3:34:34] us.

[3:34:34] >> I did. [laughter]

[3:34:36] Time is up.

[3:34:38] >> Um, move on.

[3:34:39] >> Looks like uh Yeah, Andrea. All right.

[3:34:42] So, I got to visit Wasach Community

[3:34:45] Gardens and I was really really

[3:34:48] impressed. Um,

[3:34:51] and I know that the Zap staff got to

[3:34:53] come. So, I I I went with you guys and

[3:34:55] then I also just did my own um site

[3:34:58] visit, but I did notice that they one of

[3:35:01] their strengths is their strong

[3:35:02] community engagement. They do listening

[3:35:04] tours um with the community. So before

[3:35:07] they're putting a garden in or somebody expresses interest and says,

[3:35:10] "Hey, we'd like to have you help us

[3:35:12] establish this," they're always getting

[3:35:14] feedback from the community. So it's a

[3:35:16] very collaborative

[3:35:18] um experience and they're the way that

[3:35:21] they're collecting that information

[3:35:23] before they're deciding to

[3:35:26] put that new garden in. Um I was really

[3:35:28] impressed with that. They offer a lot of

[3:35:31] um free events like their tomato

[3:35:34] tasting. I know that some of you guys

[3:35:36] have done that. They have that coming up

[3:35:37] in September.

[3:35:38] >> So, if you can go to that, that would be

[3:35:40] great. You can get a hands-on experience

[3:35:42] of all that goes into that. The gardens

[3:35:45] are just

[3:35:47] >> beautiful, beautiful display of what

[3:35:49] they have to offer. And I got to go do

[3:35:52] my meeting when they had some of the

[3:35:53] camps there and I got to see how the

[3:35:55] staff are interacting with the children.

[3:35:57] are interacting with um the

[3:36:00] gardens. It kind of is very artistic

[3:36:02] looking as well. all the children are

[3:36:04] able to pick and eat a tomato right off

[3:36:07] the garden and get curious about that

[3:36:09] too. Um I did attend one of their

[3:36:11] classes. Um it was a partnership with

[3:36:14] Utah State University. Feel like it was

[3:36:16] really well done. It was a sold out

[3:36:19] class that they had. It was on water um

[3:36:21] observation and gardening uh using your

[3:36:25] water- wise gardening for your like

[3:36:28] vegetables.

[3:36:29] legal attended. He was very informed um

[3:36:33] definitely an expert in his area. I know

[3:36:36] there was a question um about water

[3:36:39] source and secondary water source and so

[3:36:41] the Wasatch

[3:36:43] staff was able to answer what what it is

[3:36:45] that Salt Lake City has and can kind of

[3:36:47] some workarounds and ways to to do that.

[3:36:50] It was his water experience a little bit

[3:36:52] different, but it's just even just

[3:36:53] changing. He brought so many, he brought

[3:36:55] like the visuals and the powerpoints and

[3:36:57] he let us, it was a huge board and he's

[3:36:58] like, "Well, you could do this for your

[3:37:00] water. You could do this for like so

[3:37:02] many different options." So, it's very

[3:37:04] um interactive. Um, a lot of people had

[3:37:07] a lot of questions. I feel like their

[3:37:09] questions were answered very well. Um,

[3:37:11] so it was very informative, very

[3:37:14] educational. [clears throat]

[3:37:15] And then, um, I did get to attend their

[3:37:17] board meeting. They had full qu the

[3:37:19] whole board showed up in person for

[3:37:21] their meeting.

[3:37:22] >> Where did they meet?

[3:37:23] >> At their location.

[3:37:24] >> Their Yeah, just their location there.

[3:37:26] Um very supportive board. They were

[3:37:29] talking about their fundraising

[3:37:31] um that's coming up and a lot of the

[3:37:34] board members were donating art pro uh

[3:37:36] projects or things that can be auctioned

[3:37:38] off to help raise funds. Um, so I was

[3:37:42] really impressed with how collaborative

[3:37:44] it is. And I don't know if any of you

[3:37:45] guys have gotten to be in one of their

[3:37:47] board meetings, but the executive

[3:37:48] director, she's just got such a

[3:37:50] forwardlooking vision,

[3:37:52] but it's not just her vision. She's got

[3:37:55] she really takes that feedback from the

[3:37:57] board members into consideration and

[3:37:59] they work very collaboratively, very

[3:38:01] deliberately to

[3:38:04] look ahead and to plan ahead and what's

[3:38:06] going to happen and to see if that's

[3:38:08] going to be successful. So I was really

[3:38:10] very impressed with that

[3:38:12] >> in relationship to what you're saying

[3:38:13] there is that they acknowledge in the in

[3:38:16] their application that doing reduced in

[3:38:19] uh free programming actually also

[3:38:21] attracts other people who want to

[3:38:24] support and pay donate to the

[3:38:26] organization because they make it so

[3:38:29] relevant that I as a good community

[3:38:31] member can support this mission right

[3:38:35] and these things people eating growing

[3:38:37] their own food having career

[3:38:39] transitions. So by showing what they're

[3:38:42] doing in their free and reduced

[3:38:43] programming, it makes people more

[3:38:45] wanting to contribute to their

[3:38:47] organization and they acknowledge that

[3:38:49] as one of their strengths. They thought

[3:38:51] that was amazing.

[3:38:51] >> I think another one of their strengths

[3:38:52] is just those part like their

[3:38:54] relationships, their ability to build

[3:38:55] those like you said in the community,

[3:38:57] their relationships, the word of mouth.

[3:38:58] >> Did you say that they're helping other

[3:39:01] communities make guards?

[3:39:03] >> Yeah. So if somebody wants to come in

[3:39:05] and says, "Hey, I want to establish a

[3:39:07] garden." They they walk them through the

[3:39:09] process. They don't just say, "Okay,

[3:39:10] here you go. Here's how to plant funds."

[3:39:12] They actually it's a very strategic

[3:39:15] process.

[3:39:16] >> They give them like a little plot of

[3:39:18] land that's one of theirs and they kind

[3:39:19] of give them the ropes for someone to

[3:39:21] really

[3:39:22] >> um pursue this, you know.

[3:39:26] >> So, we supply at their location.

[3:39:28] >> Yeah. At one of their locations. Yeah.

[3:39:30] But they they also offer to if you would

[3:39:32] like to like oh I want my like in Sandy

[3:39:35] City I want to have a community garden

[3:39:37] then they would do like the research

[3:39:39] first. They would do like a list tour

[3:39:40] first to see if that's something that's

[3:39:42] viable instead of saying

[3:39:43] >> so they would work with the city like

[3:39:44] Sandy to

[3:39:45] >> they would work with the yeah the city

[3:39:47] and the community members to see if it

[3:39:49] would even be possible because let's say

[3:39:50] I really love gardening and I'm just

[3:39:53] into it and then all of a sudden my

[3:39:54] husband gets a job somewhere else then I

[3:39:56] leave. Well, who's going to manage that

[3:39:58] community garden? So they have to make

[3:39:59] sure that there's a community buy in and

[3:40:02] they've also tried to make it like

[3:40:03] community specific. So there's like one

[3:40:05] on the west side they are probably

[3:40:07] farming more of the like the Hispanic

[3:40:10] population maybe like the peppers or the

[3:40:13] spicy peppers and the

[3:40:16] whatever they're using. So I was really

[3:40:18] impressed

[3:40:20] with that. They do a lot like a lot.

[3:40:22] Well, some of you weren't here. I guess four years ago they joined tier

[3:40:27] one

[3:40:27] >> and I remember meeting with them.

[3:40:29] Remember they were a little bit on the

[3:40:31] bubble.

[3:40:31] >> Yeah.

[3:40:31] >> It was an example of a great inclusion

[3:40:34] into tier one. I don't know who we

[3:40:36] knocked out [laughter] to make room for

[3:40:38] them.

[3:40:38] >> Oh, I do remember. Oh, yeah. That will

[3:40:40] remain unnamed. But anyway, yeah. So, I

[3:40:43] mean that's that's great that they've

[3:40:44] been successful.

[3:40:46] >> We know partnerships are just so I don't

[3:40:48] they have like the secret sauce of like

[3:40:50] getting into the community. I don't

[3:40:51] know. Andrea went with us. We went on

[3:40:53] we'd all been a tour staff together.

[3:40:54] They invited us for a minute. Um it was

[3:40:56] interesting. I when we first came into

[3:40:58] tier one, they had an executive director

[3:41:00] who was just was amazing. And when she

[3:41:02] said, "I'm going to go run a farm for my

[3:41:05] wife's uh home uh family in Virginia, I

[3:41:08] think it was."

[3:41:08] >> Right. Right. Yeah.

[3:41:09] >> We were all like, "Oh my gosh, how are

[3:41:11] you going to find someone?" So unique.

[3:41:12] >> They just joined. Yeah.

[3:41:14] >> Amazing. Uh tour was really great. They

[3:41:16] talk about sensory things like so

[3:41:17] there's different pieces of the garden

[3:41:18] for sensory for kids who have sensory uh

[3:41:21] smelling tech tactile. They talk about

[3:41:24] some of the research they're doing which

[3:41:25] is really cool. These little wires they

[3:41:26] plug into the ground. They can tell

[3:41:28] what's dry and when to water.

[3:41:30] >> They the way they even build their

[3:41:31] garden. It's just it was really

[3:41:33] interesting. I think for me some of the

[3:41:34] takeaways were

[3:41:35] >> the research is like actually right

[3:41:37] there for everyone to see and take part

[3:41:38] in. Like it's not this whole thing in

[3:41:40] the back or whatever. Um, the other

[3:41:42] pieces I think were interesting were

[3:41:44] that they've decided that they're going

[3:41:45] to put a lot of things on the outside.

[3:41:46] So, they don't have a fence or anything

[3:41:48] that like blocks you out except for like

[3:41:49] to have just for their space, but then

[3:41:51] they planted all these things on the

[3:41:52] outside. So, the families who walk by to

[3:41:54] go to school or the mom who knows what

[3:41:56] time at harvest just comes over and gets baskets full of things.

[3:42:00] >> And so, this way to invite the local

[3:42:02] community. Um, and then just how many

[3:42:03] places they own, how many programs they

[3:42:05] have for the green jobs for women who

[3:42:07] are homeless to learn a skill. Um, and

[3:42:09] then there's the the plot one where you

[3:42:11] get a little small plot, you use it for

[3:42:13] a couple years, they teach you farming,

[3:42:15] you can take it to farmers market and

[3:42:16] things and then if you graduate sort of

[3:42:18] you get this bigger plot and turn it

[3:42:20] into a business is the whole point. And

[3:42:21] so I think you're right. I think they

[3:42:22] you just look at them as a garden like

[3:42:24] oh people but

[3:42:25] >> they own some rental properties too. I

[3:42:27] remember it helps they subsidize for

[3:42:30] some people.

[3:42:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. They're they're truly

[3:42:32] phenomenal. And I think our number one

[3:42:34] concern like three years ago was that

[3:42:35] they were growing so fast and expanding

[3:42:37] their programming so fast. were like,

[3:42:39] "Oh, you may want to slow down because

[3:42:41] you are growing at such a robust rate

[3:42:42] that this is going to become a problem

[3:42:44] for you." And we've not seen it become a

[3:42:46] problem.

[3:42:46] >> They actually said when I remember a

[3:42:49] couple cities approached them and said,

[3:42:50] "Hey, we have this blight or this not

[3:42:52] great area in town of our and we can you

[3:42:54] do a community." They're like, "Well,

[3:42:55] but everybody asks us to do that. We

[3:42:57] have to be careful with our strategic

[3:42:58] growth. We have so many opportunities.

[3:43:00] We could overextend ourselves just like

[3:43:02] that." So, yes, I 13.1 listed them as

[3:43:06] strong. Is that good? Any changes? Any

[3:43:09] comments differently on the paper?

[3:43:11] >> I could say a lot more about it, but

[3:43:13] >> I won't

[3:43:14] >> go to their spring sale.

[3:43:16] >> Yes,

[3:43:16] >> I'll advocate for that. Tomato two

[3:43:19] events in September. One's the tomato uh

[3:43:22] the big tomato sandwich party.

[3:43:25] >> Yeah.

[3:43:25] that's very good.

[3:43:26] >> I bought a $2.39 pumpkin plant that the

[3:43:29] patch is as big as this room.

[3:43:31] >> Wow.

[3:43:33] >> You bought the plant, not the seeds from

[3:43:35] them. the plans for $2.39. [laughter]

[3:43:37] And I didn't know I would be in a war

[3:43:39] every single week with pumpkin pine.

[3:43:42] [laughter]

[3:43:43] >> So, you're gonna have a Halloween

[3:43:44] festival.

[3:43:45] >> Um, we'll see. We'll see what happens

[3:43:48] with that pumpkin vine.

[3:43:49] >> So, we're on to a new entrance,

[3:43:51] >> Tree Utah.

[3:43:52] >> Yes.

[3:43:52] >> Yeah.

[3:43:54] >> Okay. Um, I was very impressed with

[3:43:57] them. Um, their work that they do is

[3:43:59] very impressive. Um, they have a lot of

[3:44:02] partnerships. a lot of partnerships and

[3:44:05] their partnerships I feel they are very

[3:44:07] strategic about how they take advantage

[3:44:08] of each of them. um the larger

[3:44:11] partnerships they really learn from and

[3:44:13] they make sure they really take

[3:44:14] advantage of expert knowledge and then

[3:44:17] the smaller partnerships the smaller

[3:44:18] organs they they help them and so they

[3:44:20] they're they're doing they're giving and

[3:44:22] receiving in both directions right um

[3:44:24] which I thought was very nice um they

[3:44:27] have no shortage of volunteers they do

[3:44:28] all this tree plantings right that's

[3:44:30] what they do um and it seems like they

[3:44:32] have yeah they never have they always

[3:44:34] have volunteers um I wasn't able to

[3:44:37] attend any of them because it was

[3:44:39] summertime so they plants, but I did um

[3:44:42] they had a table at the Utah Arts

[3:44:44] Festival and I was very impressed with

[3:44:46] how they had the information laid out.

[3:44:48] They had little stick activities for the

[3:44:50] kids and um it was just a good way to

[3:44:53] like just they're always gathering more

[3:44:54] volunteers to help them. Um

[3:44:59] let's see, they are growing and they do

[3:45:02] have steady funding. Um, all of their

[3:45:07] money comes from donations and um, yes,

[3:45:11] donors. Um, they my my concern with them

[3:45:16] is that because they've been growing,

[3:45:18] they had a lot of new hires. Um, and so

[3:45:22] right now it's Amy, uh, she kind of just

[3:45:26] does every single thing. Every single

[3:45:28] thing. I sat in on a board meeting. Um,

[3:45:31] and when they went over things, she

[3:45:33] she's the one that's going through every

[3:45:34] single line of financial. She's the one

[3:45:36] that's going through like just week to

[3:45:37] week every single thing. It's way more

[3:45:40] than a full-time job for her. Um, I I

[3:45:43] liked seeing that they have hired out a

[3:45:45] few things, but it does seem very fresh

[3:45:48] and very new. Um, when I asked about

[3:45:50] like marketing things or if they track

[3:45:52] things, they just hired someone to do

[3:45:53] that. And this will be they have a

[3:45:56] survey and some feedback options that

[3:45:58] they are going to be launching. um if

[3:46:00] they either soon or maybe now this

[3:46:04] month. Um and so I am concerned about

[3:46:07] them being overextended that way. They

[3:46:09] did hire a grant writer to help with

[3:46:11] this application. Um which I thought was

[3:46:13] smart of them. Um however, I I did meet

[3:46:16] her. Um she had some odd questions for

[3:46:19] me about the ZAP application which made

[3:46:21] me question why she didn't ask you guys

[3:46:24] these questions. um they didn't seem to

[3:46:27] be aware of the the research um

[3:46:29] requirement and so I don't know if you

[3:46:31] guys saw the request for clarification

[3:46:32] in that they seemed to be happy with

[3:46:35] their answer. Um I don't know what

[3:46:37] counts as a research

[3:46:39] >> [clears throat]

[3:46:39] >> um arm as I have a science background

[3:46:41] and so when they answered me I don't

[3:46:44] feel like that's research um but I don't

[3:46:46] know what if we have a very clearly

[3:46:49] defined

[3:46:50] >> okay okay um so that was yeah that was

[3:46:54] my concern is just that they they do

[3:46:56] want to grow very quickly um I just

[3:46:59] don't it feels like they're still just

[3:47:01] kind of settling and figuring out that

[3:47:03] balance of like how to support their

[3:47:06] growth of the staff that they currently

[3:47:07] have and that they're hoping to grow.

[3:47:10] Um, and then

[3:47:14] see,

[3:47:15] maybe I'll stop there. Um,

[3:47:17] >> Amanda, are they they've been around a

[3:47:19] long time, like 30 years or something,

[3:47:21] right?

[3:47:22] >> Yes. Yes. So, they've been around um it

[3:47:24] seems like they're now just starting to

[3:47:26] really like click and like want to grow

[3:47:29] into something bigger. Um they oh they

[3:47:32] also talked about they they have a new

[3:47:34] office space that they actually just

[3:47:35] moved into I think last week or next

[3:47:38] week. Um and that's something that

[3:47:39] they've been struggling with because

[3:47:40] they just didn't have like a good space

[3:47:43] to keep it. It just sounds like Amy's

[3:47:45] just been kind of it's just been this

[3:47:47] one person show.

[3:47:48] >> How long's she been part of?

[3:47:50] >> I think she said 14 or 15 years. She

[3:47:52] started as a volunteer and started doing

[3:47:54] more and more and now she's just kind of

[3:47:56] running the whole thing. So my concern

[3:47:58] is with the sustainability of um yeah

[3:48:01] how stable

[3:48:01] >> they've been in tier two

[3:48:03] >> uh I can pair down now that's great time

[3:48:04] thank you for that so they

[3:48:06] [clears throat] have been in tier 2

[3:48:07] since day one so they've been a tier 2

[3:48:09] grantee um in tier two for 30 next year

[3:48:13] 30 years or 29th through be their 29th

[3:48:14] year a couple things to think about is

[3:48:17] remember the reason I did a clification

[3:48:19] is there's these call them tests so

[3:48:21] there's three things they have to do to

[3:48:23] be a botanical right um and um

[3:48:26] horicultural these are cultural display

[3:48:29] community education and research is

[3:48:31] three of them. So I did that request for

[3:48:32] clarification. I had some communication

[3:48:34] with both Andrea um yeah about her one

[3:48:37] but then the other two just to make sure

[3:48:38] that tree Utah was in line with the

[3:48:40] other two. Um they responded in all

[3:48:43] three areas that I asked about. Um, we

[3:48:45] also a little bit have staff have a

[3:48:47] concern regarding research as well as

[3:48:49] some of their other ones regarding I

[3:48:51] know they're planting a lot of trees and

[3:48:52] they're on display but they do they have

[3:48:55] information why that tree why that area

[3:48:57] what's doing for them what's is there a

[3:48:59] botanical display some of their language

[3:49:01] as you saw in application was future planned um and so those three

[3:49:05] areas the question I would ask the board

[3:49:08] and from staff's point of view as well

[3:49:09] is um when you look at a theater company

[3:49:13] in tier one and a theater company in

[3:49:14] tier 2, you have different expectations

[3:49:17] at the level in which they're work.

[3:49:19] >> Sometimes it's not very defined in some

[3:49:20] of the disciplines, right? Besides the

[3:49:22] scoring criteria in um sorry, botanical,

[3:49:26] it's sort of more deline defined, right?

[3:49:28] The three areas. Now, we as staff will

[3:49:30] have to work on the three areas and

[3:49:32] saying like this is the level a tier one

[3:49:34] should be at for research and this is

[3:49:35] the level a tier two can be at. We

[3:49:37] haven't done that. We haven't gone that

[3:49:38] direction yet. Um we think that would be

[3:49:40] helpful to be supportive to them. But

[3:49:42] when we look at this, we are concerned a

[3:49:43] little bit with the responses of those

[3:49:45] particular three areas that while they

[3:49:47] they're satisfactory, we think for a

[3:49:49] tier two, um just thinking about the

[3:49:51] worthiness of the other applicants

[3:49:53] within this pool that satisfy those

[3:49:55] things at a tier one level versus maybe

[3:49:57] a tier 2 level.

[3:49:58] >> Is this the first time they've applied

[3:50:00] for tier one?

[3:50:01] >> As far as we know, it's the first time.

[3:50:02] >> Why did they want to apply tier one?

[3:50:04] >> I think it's the growth she

[3:50:06] >> Yeah, I think it's the growth. I think

[3:50:07] they they really felt like they were at

[3:50:08] a point where they can really do a lot

[3:50:11] more. Um, and it seems like they're

[3:50:13] ramping up for that with all the new

[3:50:14] hires, with the new office space. Um,

[3:50:16] and just really really trying to get

[3:50:18] things more

[3:50:21] >> stable. Um, I think we are very

[3:50:23] deserving. I think the work they do

[3:50:25] directly impacts the community. It's

[3:50:27] amazing.

[3:50:28] >> They deserve it in tier one.

[3:50:29] >> I don't know. Um, it's just that concern

[3:50:32] of I think they're just right on that

[3:50:33] edge where if they had the support, I

[3:50:36] think they could get there. It's just

[3:50:38] they haven't shown if they're going to

[3:50:39] get there.

[3:50:40] >> Maybe this is a bridge for them to

[3:50:42] develop their strategic plan more

[3:50:45] intentionally so it so they can develop

[3:50:47] their their research. They can reach out

[3:50:49] to more municipalities and in their

[3:50:52] growth look more like a tier one.

[3:50:54] >> Yeah.

[3:50:55] >> I think Peter said this last year. It's

[3:50:56] going along what you said. I think Peter

[3:50:57] said something like this last year about

[3:50:59] both new applicant entrance last year

[3:51:01] which is they're on a cusp of some level

[3:51:04] and they could be potent they have the

[3:51:06] potential for a tier one but sometimes

[3:51:09] you can't put the cart you know they're

[3:51:12] not necessarily um doing that

[3:51:14] programming that what you're looking for

[3:51:15] in a level of a tier one um

[3:51:18] >> before the money I think that was what

[3:51:20] the comment was and so

[3:51:21] >> I don't think we're in a position to

[3:51:22] fund their future right

[3:51:24] >> and their economic model doesn't provide

[3:51:26] any earned revenue

[3:51:27] It's completely on grants. And so they I don't know they have this philosophy.

[3:51:31] They said, "Well, we're supposed to just

[3:51:33] get money. That's how we sustain

[3:51:35] ourselves."

[3:51:35] >> And I asked them specifically, "Do you

[3:51:37] do you have any plans for making revenue

[3:51:40] in other ways and

[3:51:42] >> sell a tree?

[3:51:43] >> Sell sell plants, sell workshops, do

[3:51:46] ticketed events, like like just little

[3:51:48] anything, right? Educational, whatever."

[3:51:50] Um, and it just didn't seem like

[3:51:52] something they had in their pipeline at

[3:51:54] all.

[3:51:55] they wouldn't get really any more money

[3:51:57] or just manpower. I think it's a

[3:51:59] manpower but so I I don't think it was

[3:52:02] on the [laughter] table for them just

[3:52:04] because they haven't had the bandwidth

[3:52:05] to even consider something like

[3:52:06] >> they have a strong sorry they have they

[3:52:07] have a strong chair the chair I former

[3:52:10] relationship from a previous lifetime

[3:52:12] ago um very strong chair so that might

[3:52:14] be some of the impetus too is like how

[3:52:16] do we take this to the next level um so

[3:52:19] it's a strong chair but they have

[3:52:20] potential really great

[3:52:22] >> yeah really surprised oh I'm sorry Pete

[3:52:24] >> I was going to say you know we've been

[3:52:26] through this the last couple years it's

[3:52:27] very competitive to

[3:52:29] we'd have to knock somebody else out.

[3:52:31] >> I just don't see it as a new entrance,

[3:52:33] first time application. There's some

[3:52:35] work that they can do.

[3:52:36] >> And frankly, I don't think the funding

[3:52:38] would be that much different from tier 2

[3:52:40] to tier one. I you know, they may think

[3:52:42] so. I think a lot of people have the

[3:52:44] wrong idea

[3:52:45] >> because the funding is just a different

[3:52:46] deal.

[3:52:47] >> Well, that was one of their their

[3:52:48] questions I thought was interesting.

[3:52:49] They didn't know how much to ask for.

[3:52:52] >> That's a tier two question.

[3:52:53] >> Yeah, that's Yeah, they did contact

[3:52:55] staff. We didn't we didn't

[3:52:56] >> Okay. because I told them to

[3:52:58] >> I mean even to do the application even

[3:53:00] to turn the application in when someone

[3:53:01] moves from a tier one to tier two it's

[3:53:03] very

[3:53:04] >> briefly reached out at the open house

[3:53:05] but beyond that during the application

[3:53:07] period they did not consult us

[3:53:09] >> their reaction

[3:53:10] >> and I and I know we're going beyond time

[3:53:12] but it's really re important because

[3:53:14] this score is going to determine if

[3:53:16] somebody else gets bumped out and so I

[3:53:18] just want to offer my insight similar to

[3:53:21] Peter having been here for a while I

[3:53:23] didn't score this application uh

[3:53:25] exclusively on the quality of what they

[3:53:28] are doing in the community. I scored it

[3:53:30] in comparison to what is required for

[3:53:33] tier one. So it really was surprising to

[3:53:36] me when my score was a four for them

[3:53:39] based on really how they compete on a

[3:53:41] tier one level to see that their score

[3:53:43] was coming back as a 10. Um only because

[3:53:46] it's not about the quality of what

[3:53:48] they're doing. It's not about their

[3:53:49] volunteer engagement. It's not about the

[3:53:50] communities that they're reaching, but

[3:53:52] it is the isolated mission of what

[3:53:55] they're doing with the lack of

[3:53:56] infrastructure. And as Peter so

[3:53:59] profoundly said, we can't fund their

[3:54:01] future. Um, and so as much as I love

[3:54:04] what they're doing, from a tier one

[3:54:06] perspective, I could not score them

[3:54:08] higher than a four.

[3:54:10] >> You gave [clears throat] them one for

[3:54:11] each category.

[3:54:12] >> I I put them weak as every category on a

[3:54:15] tier one. From a tier one,

[3:54:17] >> I think that's the way we should

[3:54:18] evaluate it. Does anybody want to change

[3:54:21] the comments on here? Adam, we know

[3:54:23] Dustin's taking notes or do we need any

[3:54:25] time to make adjustments?

[3:54:28] >> Lynette, that was very compelling what

[3:54:30] you just said.

[3:54:30] >> Yeah. Okay. Please [clears throat] make

[3:54:32] them insible and don't forget not just

[3:54:34] hit save, but submit and then Cody can

[3:54:36] see them and he will change the number.

[3:54:38] So, in a little while, uh, as we start

[3:54:39] to to get done, don't forget we'll be

[3:54:41] able to pull up these in in ranking

[3:54:43] order and make adjustments as we need

[3:54:45] to. Uh, any other thoughts on tree?

[3:54:47] Otherwise, we do need to move to the

[3:54:48] zoologicals.

[3:54:50] >> Yeah, just give them

[3:54:51] >> go ahead. We'll give you that space on

[3:54:52] time to go ahead and do that.

[3:54:55] >> Sorry. So, if we're changing our score

[3:54:57] and submittable, we open it, but we have

[3:55:00] to

[3:55:01] >> Yep. So, if you want to go ahead and

[3:55:02] click on the organization. So,

[3:55:05] >> okay. Yeah. Down here,

[3:55:07] >> because those were questions I had that

[3:55:10] answer. Okay. So, click on that.

[3:55:13] >> Yeah. So, you're going to have to go in

[3:55:14] and change the actual

[3:55:17] Okay. And over here to me, right?

[3:55:22] Those questions were exactly okay. Thank

[3:55:25] Okay,

[3:55:27] >> Cody, I'm having trouble getting to the

[3:55:28] store.

[3:55:29] >> Yeah, but it's still not letting me

[3:55:31] change.

[3:55:43] back to review.

[3:55:46] >> Can you Can you hit the edit button?

[3:55:50] >> That's it.

[3:55:51] >> Yeah. And then that there you go.

[3:55:54] >> So this was

[3:55:55] >> Oh, I see. Thank you.

[3:56:00] » Go back to

[3:56:02] potential

[3:56:03] >> but

[3:56:07] [laughter]

[3:56:10] yeah

[3:56:18] [laughter]

[3:56:23] » any pencil [laughter]

[3:56:27] >> I couldn't find a pencil on her

[3:56:31] and she's so good at this stuff.

[3:56:33] >> Okay, so um we got one more sport

[3:56:36] changing. I'll just do the order. Um

[3:56:37] it's Utah

[3:56:39] zoo and that is Amy and then we'll

[3:56:41] switch to Heidi for the plant for the

[3:56:44] aquarium and then for the avaryette

[3:56:48] you're on.

[3:56:49] >> So

[3:56:51] >> the zoo go.

[3:56:52] >> Yep. I'm next. I'm just updating.

[3:56:54] >> She's just doing her school for one more

[3:56:55] second.

[3:56:57] Just update review.

[3:56:59] >> Hit submit on that review so that it

[3:57:03] comes through.

[3:57:03] >> Can you see if we didn't submit to

[3:57:05] submit? [laughter]

[3:57:10] >> Did I do it wrong?

[3:57:13] >> What were your scores before?

[3:57:16] >> All right. I feel like BTS.

[3:57:18] >> Yes, [laughter] I do.

[3:57:19] >> I can see your eyes. You guys said it's

[3:57:22] not in and I was like I went in and made

[3:57:24] sure it was in like

[3:57:29] [laughter]

[3:57:29] >> I was like I saw in there I don't

[3:57:31] understand and

[3:57:34] we gid a little extension like maybe we

[3:57:36] need Andrea extension was like at his

[3:57:39] limit. He was like one extension. I'm

[3:57:40] going to go call. [laughter]

[3:57:41] >> Okay. It was really simple.

[3:57:43] >> I'm so sorry.

[3:57:44] >> It's okay. All I just had to do was go

[3:57:45] and you know into each one. I know I

[3:57:48] went I was like missing like one

[3:57:55] messed up.

[3:57:58] I went to take me off. I was like, "Oh,

[3:58:00] I don't need to be on this." And I think

[3:58:03] it

[3:58:03] >> and I think I took the So I had to

[3:58:05] message.

[3:58:06] >> Hey,

[3:58:06] >> why are you in my submittable? What?

[3:58:08] [laughter]

[3:58:14] » That separate us.

[3:58:16] >> Do you need to get in your

[3:58:17] >> No, I've got in it. But my question is I

[3:58:21] haven't gone in to change my narrative.

[3:58:22] I changed my scores.

[3:58:25] >> Narrative can be fine.

[3:58:26] >> I mean, were they to grab or request it?

[3:58:29] There were things that I didn't

[3:58:30] understand the narrative. So,

[3:58:34] >> are these okay capturing the ones on

[3:58:36] here and the ones that doesn't captured

[3:58:37] it?

[3:58:39] >> Okay. Okay. As long as I think the score

[3:58:42] is for the grandma purposes, but what

[3:58:43] you said is just fine. So, Amy, I think

[3:58:46] you're on deck.

[3:58:47] >> Yes. Yes. Is the zoo the oldest

[3:58:49] organization having started nine?

[3:58:51] >> I know they're one of the originals, but

[3:58:53] I do not know they're

[3:58:58] just quickly. I did we did capture all

[3:59:00] your scores. Thanks. Good. Thank you.

[3:59:03] >> Okay. Yes. Uh

[3:59:06] >> again, blown away by just their mission

[3:59:10] statement and then visiting them and

[3:59:13] having an opportunity to have a behind

[3:59:14] thescenes tour. Doug had not completely

[3:59:17] left yet. So, I got to ride around the

[3:59:19] golf cart with Doug and Liz and Aaron

[3:59:23] and ask all kinds of questions. And we

[3:59:25] got to go in. I wanted to visit the meet

[3:59:29] the the vet and ask questions about how

[3:59:32] can you possibly take care of this many

[3:59:34] animals and do what you do and and I

[3:59:36] just was blown away by all the com the

[3:59:39] complex partnerships that they have and

[3:59:42] you know a hospital donated their arm

[3:59:45] over their operating room. Um they're

[3:59:49] wanting to have everyone do the zoo

[3:59:51] universities so that the level of care

[3:59:54] for those animals and their habitats and

[3:59:59] education of the public. Everybody is

[4:00:01] involved as a team to take care of the

[4:00:04] residents there and support the staff

[4:00:07] that works there. They have like if they

[4:00:09] lose an animal they have um bereavement

[4:00:13] opportunities, support groups for the

[4:00:16] staff because it feels like family. If

[4:00:18] they lose an animal, it is family. Uh

[4:00:21] their ability to adjust

[4:00:24] Doug shared that after CO they they

[4:00:27] realized they needed that uh contingency plan. So

[4:00:34] they figured out a way to have four

[4:00:36] months of operating expense was there.

[4:00:39] The zoo closes down.

[4:00:41] Uh just things, you know, when you go on

[4:00:43] a tour like that, like, oh, what's that

[4:00:46] for? Oh, an animal was delivered. And so

[4:00:48] I got an explanation of how complicated

[4:00:50] it is to move a big animal across the

[4:00:53] country. They have to have, you know,

[4:00:55] like what happens if it's it has to be a

[4:00:58] cool environment. Something breaks. And

[4:01:01] they have all these partnerships across

[4:01:02] the country that go in service. Then I put my foot in my mouth. How do

[4:01:08] you know if a polar bear has hernia? And

[4:01:11] they're like, well, you can see it.

[4:01:14] >> Oh, but then there's an update. And I

[4:01:17] walked around the zoo a different time.

[4:01:19] There's an update bear's doing. So then

[4:01:22] it educates the public and if the public

[4:01:24] sees something. [clears throat]

[4:01:26] Um, so I I just What about that? Uh, and

[4:01:30] also

[4:01:32] I always wanted to go to the zoo growing

[4:01:34] up in Pittsburgh. There was this big

[4:01:35] escalator that goes up to the zoo if

[4:01:37] it's still there. But, uh, just amazing

[4:01:41] opportunity to see so many different

[4:01:42] kinds of animals that you normally

[4:01:44] wouldn't see. And then you know that

[4:01:46] distance of taking my kids there and

[4:01:48] then the period of time you kind of feel

[4:01:51] like oh is it kind of mean that they

[4:01:53] keep the animals like that you know and

[4:01:57] then looking at Hogal Zoo and seeing all

[4:01:59] the partnerships with local conservation

[4:02:03] groups what they're actually doing for

[4:02:06] educating people about uh taking care of

[4:02:11] and it's a whole another perspective in

[4:02:12] this new fact that they got a perfect

[4:02:16] score on their zoo accreditation is just

[4:02:19] I think only 10 organizations have ever

[4:02:21] done that. I went and looked at that

[4:02:22] criteria and I was like, "Oh,

[4:02:25] the main concern I had, how much of the

[4:02:28] institutional knowledge goes with Doug

[4:02:32] just because you know he wrote his but

[4:02:34] he lived two miles from there or

[4:02:35] something wrote his bike."

[4:02:37] >> Clarify that a little bit, Amy, because

[4:02:39] Liz Larson, their VP, she's been there

[4:02:41] for 35 years.

[4:02:43] >> Yeah. I was just going to add to that. I

[4:02:45] was blown away by her knowledge of

[4:02:48] >> what happens. So, but just the way that

[4:02:51] they work with teams and other people do

[4:02:54] know and I even suggested at one point

[4:02:57] be interesting for them to collaborate

[4:02:59] maybe on some kind of a a resource to

[4:03:02] write down some of those things that

[4:03:04] might get lost. But yes, I mean, wow,

[4:03:07] what a

[4:03:08] >> I think Doug's father was involved.

[4:03:11] >> So, I mean, it's sort of a generational

[4:03:13] thing.

[4:03:13] >> Oh, yeah. He used to ride his bike to

[4:03:14] the

[4:03:14] >> They may be related to the Hogle family.

[4:03:16] I don't know. I think they've got pretty

[4:03:18] deep bench,

[4:03:20] >> but he he shared, you know, just the the

[4:03:22] level of like when you think about it,

[4:03:23] the liability of, you know, keeping the

[4:03:26] animals safe, you got [clears throat]

[4:03:28] people coming in and I treat it like

[4:03:29] it's an amusement park, so you know, you

[4:03:32] don't want somebody getting hurt. Then

[4:03:33] you got restaurants and then you got

[4:03:36] >> disability to think about. You know,

[4:03:37] there's just the diversity of programs

[4:03:39] they offer. And it's

[4:03:42] >> it's a complicated. The other thing I

[4:03:44] you know there's criticisms about zoos

[4:03:46] in general you know but you think about

[4:03:48] it as you were speaking

[4:03:50] >> how would people understand anything

[4:03:51] about wildlife if you didn't have a zoo

[4:03:54] >> right

[4:03:55] >> few people actually go and see these

[4:03:57] animals in safari and that they're

[4:03:58] protected these animals

[4:04:00] >> in many cases would not survive in the

[4:04:02] wild with the life expectancy that they

[4:04:04] have and the care

[4:04:06] >> and their adaptation too to realize okay

[4:04:08] our animal pen is really not big enough

[4:04:10] for the elephants so we're going to

[4:04:11] phase this out as much as it might said

[4:04:13] people, we're going to focus on some of

[4:04:15] the more local species.

[4:04:17] >> Did you get to feed a giraffe with a

[4:04:18] leaf?

[4:04:19] >> I didn't, but I did that in Africa. So,

[4:04:22] [laughter]

[4:04:26] » yeah. No, I was really excited to to see

[4:04:28] it. I had to go back with my camera and

[4:04:30] just hang out pictures. Yeah.

[4:04:33] >> So, spend a lot of time. They were my

[4:04:34] lead review last year and um everything

[4:04:38] that I offered as a suggestion to them,

[4:04:40] they took to heart and they actually did

[4:04:42] it um based on this application. And so

[4:04:45] they

[4:04:46] >> they were afraid of you.

[4:04:47] >> They most people are they used to charge

[4:04:50] $375 an hour to go in and evaluate

[4:04:52] nonprofits, right?

[4:04:54] >> Board members.

[4:04:55] >> Yes. and and they have covered the

[4:04:57] entire Salt Lake County now with they

[4:05:00] had a very intentional recruitment

[4:05:02] process and there were a number of

[4:05:04] >> how did they do that? How could others

[4:05:06] learn from the tier one to recruit?

[4:05:08] >> Just give me a call and I'll tell you

[4:05:10] how to do it.

[4:05:10] >> No. Um but so yeah, I don't want to take

[4:05:14] our time right now, but every single

[4:05:15] thing that I pointed out was something

[4:05:17] that would be a thirst for our board to

[4:05:19] know. They were able to actually adapt

[4:05:22] into this year's application. And that

[4:05:24] was just one simple example. But the

[4:05:26] other thing I really really had to point

[4:05:27] out again the multi- the multi-solution

[4:05:31] to the problem, right? The impressive um

[4:05:34] technical SC school partnership that

[4:05:36] they had where they had the high school

[4:05:37] kids growing materials, learning how to

[4:05:39] do this, then it's feeding the animals.

[4:05:42] And so every time that's what we want

[4:05:44] from tier one, right? is that kind of

[4:05:46] complexity and integration into multiple

[4:05:50] systems in our county I think is what

[4:05:52] reflects this mission. Um and then of

[4:05:55] course their dignified um programming

[4:05:57] where they allow SNAP EDT people come in

[4:06:00] every minute of every day that they're

[4:06:02] open on a reduced admission that is a

[4:06:04] real commitment to integrate people into

[4:06:07] their story every day.

[4:06:09] >> Timer did go off. Sorry. Yeah, I would

[4:06:11] say in the summertime, just talk about

[4:06:13] youth a lot, but in the summertime, if

[4:06:15] you look at the variety of opportunities

[4:06:16] for children to interact on a whole

[4:06:18] another level with not behind a

[4:06:19] plexiglass, not behind a thing, but

[4:06:22] let's take the Girl Scouts for example,

[4:06:24] but they go there and they do a project.

[4:06:26] They're not just an education class

[4:06:28] learning and kind of sitting there or

[4:06:29] sort of interacting. You're literally

[4:06:31] doing a project with them for them. And

[4:06:33] I thought that was really interesting

[4:06:34] that from a young age they're having

[4:06:36] this different look than maybe our

[4:06:37] generation was just always from the

[4:06:39] outside, right? Sorry. Sorry I said that way, but I'm just saying it's a

[4:06:43] different experience that they're having

[4:06:45] and they're not charging for it. They

[4:06:46] charge for the class or for, you know,

[4:06:48] for the badge basically. The Girl Scouts

[4:06:50] is a great example or I mean the zoo is

[4:06:53] a great example of partnering with maybe

[4:06:54] non-traditional things for summer camps

[4:06:57] that people do actual projects and this

[4:06:59] whole other relationship with zoos. For

[4:07:01] them, you know, for for my daughter's

[4:07:02] age, it's it's about like conservation.

[4:07:05] Like the zoos that's what the zoo is

[4:07:06] about. That's something different than

[4:07:08] it was 20 or 30 years ago. And today

[4:07:10] it's all about what are they doing here?

[4:07:11] And look at

[4:07:12] this mom. I'm like I don't even notice

[4:07:13] these signals that she's seeing around.

[4:07:15] And so I just think they're they're

[4:07:18] ranked up there. They really are.

[4:07:19] >> Their weakness is their humility because

[4:07:21] they do not they didn't brag about that

[4:07:24] aa accreditation enough. Twothirds of

[4:07:26] their animals are endangered species,

[4:07:28] right? So if those stories were getting

[4:07:31] out more um they're they're not an

[4:07:34] attraction. Like we have another

[4:07:35] organization that believes they're an

[4:07:36] attraction. The zoo does not. They

[4:07:38] believe they are integral to the

[4:07:40] community conservation and education.

[4:07:43] >> So I also have to add I I got to go on a

[4:07:45] fields trip with my daughter last year

[4:07:47] and I and it kind of ties into what

[4:07:50] Samantha's saying, a lot of what you

[4:07:51] guys were saying

[4:07:53] >> and and I got to take a group of

[4:07:54] students with me, but they were

[4:07:55] interacting. They had uh volunteers

[4:07:58] stationed there to answer students

[4:08:00] questions and they were so knowledgeable

[4:08:03] and so patient and so kind. And then we

[4:08:05] also made our way to the Utah area where

[4:08:07] they have that little education center

[4:08:08] and the students were very engaged. They

[4:08:10] had a lot of questions and that's a big

[4:08:13] deal to get your questions answered and

[4:08:15] >> to feel like you're part of this

[4:08:17] >> that word empowerment keep your

[4:08:19] community anyway. Yeah. And that was

[4:08:22] >> they did it better than Africa. Having

[4:08:24] just come back from Africa, I was like

[4:08:26] the zoo is much more educational.

[4:08:27] [laughter]

[4:08:30] » 4 to 13.7. You have a strong um is there

[4:08:33] any change of score or any of the

[4:08:34] comments that we may have captured that

[4:08:36] are on this page?

[4:08:41] » I didn't hear a yes or no. Anyway,

[4:08:42] anybody?

[4:08:43] >> I'm good.

[4:08:44] >> Sound like maybe a score is changing.

[4:08:46] Okay. Um,

[4:08:48] >> so we're on to love

[4:08:52] planet Aquar

[4:09:03] who's

[4:09:05] >> all right.

[4:09:08] Um,

[4:09:10] [clears throat]

[4:09:14] okay.

[4:09:18] Strength. Let's see. Um, you know, but

[4:09:22] they've really expanded physically a

[4:09:25] lot. Um, they are the fifth largest

[4:09:28] aquarium now in the United States. Um,

[4:09:31] their new science learning center is

[4:09:34] pretty transformative for them. Um they

[4:09:37] added uh 57 new uh staff this past year

[4:09:42] um to support it the expanded

[4:09:45] facilities. Um they have this

[4:09:49] partnership with the USU freshwater and

[4:09:51] marine ecology

[4:09:54] bachelors of science degree that was

[4:09:56] created. Um they added 3,000 animals

[4:10:00] this year. Um,

[4:10:04] and what they're saying, and I attended

[4:10:06] a board meeting, and they said, you

[4:10:08] know, after 15 years of rapid expansion

[4:10:11] and building the rocket while flying it,

[4:10:14] they're now focused internally on

[4:10:17] meticulous calibration and the visitor

[4:10:20] experience.

[4:10:22] >> It is. Um and uh so you know it was

[4:10:26] pretty astounding how they have grown um

[4:10:30] over the the years. Uh they have almost

[4:10:35] 100 million in assets with little debt.

[4:10:38] They have a new CFO who's really strong

[4:10:41] really great financial reporting. Um

[4:10:45] and um they have a new HR director who

[4:10:49] is known who who is returning to the

[4:10:52] aquarium and is kind of a beloved

[4:10:54] figure. Sounds like they need kind of HR

[4:10:57] um support because now they have these

[4:11:00] two two different sort of campuses. Um

[4:11:04] and they need like to foster staff

[4:11:06] cohesion between the two locations. Um

[4:11:09] >> two locations.

[4:11:11] >> What are the two locations?

[4:11:13] two buildings. I mean,

[4:11:14] >> two buildings in the same campus.

[4:11:16] >> Yeah. Sorry. But they sort of kind of do

[4:11:18] different somewhat different things in

[4:11:20] them sort of.

[4:11:20] >> Yeah.

[4:11:21] >> Do they still have that virtual whatever

[4:11:24] >> Star Trek thing going on

[4:11:25] >> under the VR underneath?

[4:11:27] >> That's the

[4:11:29] set.

[4:11:29] >> I know.

[4:11:31] >> It's underneath the

[4:11:33] wonder

[4:11:35] >> um

[4:11:36] >> you saw that in the concert that that

[4:11:38] same Yeah.

[4:11:40] Um they added a new child care facility

[4:11:43] that's uh run by a third party and um

[4:11:47] rather than charging for rent they did

[4:11:50] an inind arrangement so that staff get

[4:11:53] 14 spaces at this child care facility

[4:11:56] which is helpful because uh in retention

[4:11:58] of the zoological staff in particular

[4:12:00] because you don't want a lot of

[4:12:02] zoological staff turnover.

[4:12:05] um

[4:12:08] they have a really small board and four

[4:12:11] meetings a year and and I was happy to

[4:12:16] raise that question and stare at all of

[4:12:18] them and they were all kind of a little

[4:12:20] bit sort of defensive about it like one

[4:12:22] of them

[4:12:22] >> that's two years in

[4:12:25] the first time they've heard this

[4:12:26] >> yeah one of them was on the um uh Hail

[4:12:30] Center theater board and kind of

[4:12:31] compared the giant board to the small

[4:12:33] board and how nimble they are and how

[4:12:36] but they do seem really to have to bring

[4:12:38] good expertise to the organization the

[4:12:41] board you know um financial

[4:12:43] >> I think two of I think one or two of the

[4:12:45] board members is the major financial

[4:12:47] backer also so they're not quite

[4:12:50] independent

[4:12:52] >> the venture people that funded a lot of

[4:12:54] it so

[4:12:55] >> okay are they

[4:12:59] >> are planning on [clears throat] doing

[4:13:00] any I went there recently I think for

[4:13:02] birthday party and they used to have

[4:13:03] their Asia exhibit kind up by their 3D

[4:13:06] theater experience and they close that

[4:13:07] off and put that in new section. Are

[4:13:09] they are there plans to change that

[4:13:12] space out or

[4:13:14] >> did they is that the new

[4:13:16] >> So they took the all the animals and up

[4:13:19] on the second floor there they had like

[4:13:22] the tiger there and they had some

[4:13:25] animals there and they moved them down

[4:13:26] into their new area that's connected to

[4:13:28] the museum and they kind of walled that

[4:13:30] area off. There was an existing space

[4:13:33] there. I just didn't know if they were

[4:13:35] planning on more

[4:13:37] renovations or updates or if they're

[4:13:39] they said anything about that.

[4:13:41] >> I'm not really sure about that. Sorry.

[4:13:43] >> They're still continuing renovations,

[4:13:44] aren't they?

[4:13:45] >> Well, this is already kind of

[4:13:47] >> Yeah, I thought they were kind of done.

[4:13:50] >> But

[4:13:52] I I wanted to address one of the

[4:13:54] comments on here really in the summary

[4:13:56] of strengths because my experience is is

[4:13:58] different. Um I feel with their

[4:14:00] community outreach and engagement. I

[4:14:02] think it's very insular and I think it's

[4:14:03] very targeted to particular groups of

[4:14:05] people. Um, and this exceeding 1 million

[4:14:09] visitors, I would want to call them on

[4:14:12] the dime sort of the way I did my other

[4:14:14] organizations this year and be like,

[4:14:16] well, 1 million visits or 1 million

[4:14:19] visitors because I would believe that a

[4:14:22] tremendous number of that 1 million

[4:14:24] visitors are probably members who repeat

[4:14:27] five, seven, 10, 12 times a year. And I

[4:14:30] think it's a little bit misleading to

[4:14:32] believe that they're serving the entire

[4:14:33] county with this 1 million visitors um

[4:14:36] just based on the limitation of their

[4:14:38] free and discounted programs. I know

[4:14:40] less than 2% of like that their snap EBT

[4:14:44] is very small percentage like the zoo's

[4:14:46] like 15 to 20% snap EBT. These guys are

[4:14:49] less than 2% of last year anyway. Um, so

[4:14:53] I would just want to again have another

[4:14:56] metric or way of in the future

[4:14:59] identifying separating out POPs and IC

[4:15:02] and what does this mean, right? like

[4:15:05] with the zip code information or what

[4:15:08] programs because they do have a very

[4:15:12] limited insular group of people that do

[4:15:16] want to rank the ex customer experience

[4:15:20] to the equivalent of Disneyland, right?

[4:15:22] That's how they compare their numbers is

[4:15:23] specifically to Disneyland. And I don't

[4:15:26] have an issue with that. I'm not saying

[4:15:27] I have an issue. Yes. Yes. And I don't

[4:15:29] have necessarily the issue with them

[4:15:30] being an attraction, but this is

[4:15:33] taxpayer dollars. And so I'm coming in

[4:15:36] as a strong advocate for every single

[4:15:39] person in this county who is paying them

[4:15:43] millions of dollars.

[4:15:45] >> Yeah.

[4:15:45] >> To support the entire county.

[4:15:46] >> I mean they they are one of the most

[4:15:49] fruitful revenue generating

[4:15:51] organizations right

[4:15:52] >> in the state

[4:15:53] >> which should make their application to

[4:15:55] community service even higher. Right.

[4:15:58] >> They're frankly independent financially.

[4:16:01] >> Yeah. So, and the amount of money they

[4:16:03] get, which is significant for tier one,

[4:16:06] is relatively small amount to their

[4:16:08] overall budget. I haven't looked at in a

[4:16:10] couple years.

[4:16:11] >> Um,

[4:16:12] >> is there is there an update about

[4:16:14] zoologicals? There was something you

[4:16:16] have any news on that.

[4:16:19] >> You can't talk about that.

[4:16:21] >> Um, I would say um it's progressing and

[4:16:25] we hope to have it done by the end of

[4:16:26] this year, which make year two.

[4:16:29] >> Pardon me. It will make the I hope we

[4:16:32] hope to have it done this year. That

[4:16:33] would be our hope uh glass half full by

[4:16:36] the end of this year that we'd have the deal kind of done so that we know

[4:16:40] and you know like um maybe more of a

[4:16:44] right now it's going towards more of a

[4:16:45] formulaic like more of a QE worksheet

[4:16:47] versus right now the current percentage

[4:16:49] the legislator's demand has that by I

[4:16:51] think by the end of 30. So, we've got a

[4:16:53] couple more years, but we're trying to

[4:16:54] get it done by the end of this year be

[4:16:56] the hope so that next [clears throat]

[4:16:57] year the board knows kind of more before

[4:17:00] applications open what's going on. But,

[4:17:03] um, I hope to send something to you

[4:17:04] before the end of the year talking about

[4:17:06] council. I will tell you when when it

[4:17:08] goes to council so you can listen.

[4:17:10] >> Can I go ahead?

[4:17:11] >> Can I just add one more thing? The they

[4:17:13] have this new special event center. It

[4:17:16] is freaking huge. 1,800 capacity. That's

[4:17:19] like the only other places that are can

[4:17:21] be that big like for a giant party are

[4:17:25] Grand America and the Provo convention

[4:17:28] center.

[4:17:28] >> They have planned for

[4:17:32] stuff like that.

[4:17:34] >> Yeah, it's huge. Um they have these huge

[4:17:36] projector screens. It's huge. And they

[4:17:38] even have like a

[4:17:40] >> um an aquarium that's got sharks. You

[4:17:43] can

[4:17:45] >> we have a 3D obviously not with the

[4:17:47] projection all the way around in the

[4:17:48] room and it moves.

[4:17:50] >> No, we I'm not trying to shut down the

[4:17:53] discussion, but is it okay to alter a

[4:17:55] score in there?

[4:17:55] >> Y

[4:17:58] so in their new um educational center

[4:18:00] that was part of their where they built

[4:18:03] on because I I went to their I don't

[4:18:04] know if it was an open house or whatever

[4:18:05] it was to kind of check it out. They

[4:18:07] have their staff members there. They

[4:18:08] have classrooms. Uh

[4:18:10] >> um do you know who the they're planning

[4:18:13] on reaching out to or are the the

[4:18:15] classes taught there? Is it for like

[4:18:16] summer camps? Is it for like children?

[4:18:19] Is it for like and you know is that like

[4:18:22] >> what the cost associated is to

[4:18:24] participate in those

[4:18:26] >> have anou with USU and UVU to do get a

[4:18:30] four-year degree and that's where you go

[4:18:31] and do some of your work for like

[4:18:33] students. the le the level at which

[4:18:35] Brent had the classrooms equipped was at

[4:18:37] the university level, not a high school

[4:18:38] or junior high, but a university level.

[4:18:40] Yeah. So, uh they will do incubators

[4:18:42] too. People want to start business or

[4:18:44] people who want to do interns, not just

[4:18:45] with things related to um zoological

[4:18:48] work. Um and then some of the space one

[4:18:50] of the spaces is supposed to go free to

[4:18:52] the nonprofits. You're supposed to be

[4:18:53] able to kind of book a space in that

[4:18:55] space. So, you want anyone else?

[4:18:58] >> Can I just say they um have 6,000

[4:19:02] uh students attending the summer camps

[4:19:03] this summer? Um last year they had 470

[4:19:07] scholarships to the summer camps and

[4:19:09] this year they have 13 they gave 1300

[4:19:12] scholarships. [gasps]

[4:19:15] >> Okay. So, make any adjustments that you

[4:19:16] have to the aquarium up or down and I

[4:19:19] think we captured your comments and

[4:19:20] concerns particularly on bullet three

[4:19:22] under strength.

[4:19:24] >> Yeah. And next on deck, you'll make

[4:19:27] those adjustments will go in in a couple

[4:19:28] minutes. I'll give you a couple minutes

[4:19:29] before he goes in. It would be Lynette

[4:19:32] on Tracy. And if you need a second,

[4:19:34] that's fine. Um, but you're on deck next

[4:19:36] for Tracy. And we'll finish the

[4:19:38] zoologicals. If you don't mind me

[4:19:40] pushing you before we take a break to do

[4:19:42] natural history,

[4:19:43] >> that would be great. And then we can

[4:19:44] talk if we

[4:19:45] >> How are we doing on time?

[4:19:47] >> Um,

[4:19:50] >> uh, we're not we're not doing we're not

[4:19:51] doing bad. We're catching up. How's that

[4:19:53] sound? We're catching up. We're We're better than we were. How's that?

[4:19:56] >> Did everybody get their scores adjusted?

[4:19:58] >> Okay.

[4:19:59] >> I'm still doing mine.

[4:20:00] >> Okay. Just a moment to

[4:20:03] >> Are you able to access it?

[4:20:05] >> Okay.

[4:20:07] >> Just slow.

[4:20:08] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[4:20:09] You have to refresh once or twice.

[4:20:11] >> Yes. Refreshing is good. Do the same

[4:20:13] thing, too.

[4:20:20] » Are you ready for me?

[4:20:21] >> Oh, I thought we were still waiting for

[4:20:22] scores. Okay. Sorry about that. Um,

[4:20:25] Tracy Aviary, I was excited because I

[4:20:27] really had been wanting to see them

[4:20:29] after doing the two other zoologicals in

[4:20:31] the past. Um, Tracy Aviary really is

[4:20:35] probably out of all the reviews I've

[4:20:36] done, the most committed to wanting to

[4:20:38] remove financial barriers um for in

[4:20:41] order to provide access and wanting to

[4:20:44] create safe space for other community

[4:20:47] organizations to partner and come in.

[4:20:49] and they do strong programming like

[4:20:52] volunteer programming with banding birds

[4:20:54] out in you know the wild and community

[4:20:58] observations and so they do have a

[4:21:00] strong scientific research arm that goes

[4:21:03] into the aviary that I wasn't as aware

[4:21:05] of prior to my visit um great about with

[4:21:09] their financial practices really strong

[4:21:12] organizational stability

[4:21:15] um but with that interestingly enough I

[4:21:18] was very surprised surprised where some

[4:21:20] of the limitations had started right

[4:21:24] showing their their head because I ask a

[4:21:26] lot of our organizations. So one thing

[4:21:28] for example I was always so thrilled

[4:21:30] about the nature center. Um the nature

[4:21:33] center has not been performing the last

[4:21:35] couple of years since it opened the way

[4:21:38] that they would like it to. Um, and

[4:21:40] they're even getting to the point where

[4:21:42] they're questioning its viability

[4:21:44] because it really is going to rely on

[4:21:46] partnerships of other maybe tier 2

[4:21:49] organizations, local community partners,

[4:21:51] more grassroots spaces.

[4:21:53] >> Can you comment on what they expected

[4:21:55] and what where they're falling short?

[4:21:57] >> Um,

[4:21:59] I really can't say specifically what

[4:22:01] their goals would be. I think where they

[4:22:04] perceive they're falling short is they

[4:22:05] feel that trusting relationships of

[4:22:08] course do take a very long time to build

[4:22:10] and people on the west side of Salt Lake

[4:22:13] County of course are a little bit more

[4:22:14] reticent um in building those trusting

[4:22:17] relationships because they either

[4:22:19] haven't had experience and that kind of

[4:22:21] outreach and partnering before or maybe

[4:22:24] they've been burned right like with

[4:22:25] organizations that will come in for six

[4:22:27] months a year two years and then all of

[4:22:29] a sudden they're just gone which is

[4:22:31] almost like what we could potentially

[4:22:33] experience with the nature center. So, I

[4:22:36] think that they do an amazing job of

[4:22:38] showing up um when communities need

[4:22:41] them. Like when the West Valley City

[4:22:43] swap meet, I don't know if you all are

[4:22:44] familiar with this, but when the West

[4:22:46] Valley swap meet was being taken for

[4:22:48] imminent domain um and all those vendors

[4:22:51] who were at the swap meet were going to

[4:22:53] be without an income and an opportunity

[4:22:55] to sell their wares, the aviary stepped

[4:22:58] in and said, "Come use our space."

[4:23:00] >> [laughter]

[4:23:01] >> Um, and so for a year that was a really

[4:23:03] strong partnership. So they they show

[4:23:05] up, they put their money where their

[4:23:06] mouth is, but where I feel that they're

[4:23:10] lacking is the real vision turned into

[4:23:14] strategic plan with accountability.

[4:23:18] Um, I think that there's a lot of hope.

[4:23:21] There's a lot of interest, but there

[4:23:24] isn't the the strategic plan,

[4:23:26] accountability, metrics, measurement

[4:23:29] that allows them to be like, okay,

[4:23:31] checklist one, that works. Checklist

[4:23:33] two, that worked. Um, so I am concerned

[4:23:38] for being able to translate the message

[4:23:41] that they've built on so well for what

[4:23:44] would that be 80 years at the aviary

[4:23:47] into the nature center because one thing

[4:23:49] for example, no district 3

[4:23:51] representation on their board. District

[4:23:54] 3 is adjacent to and home of so many of

[4:23:59] those partnerships that they would need.

[4:24:02] But overall,

[4:24:04] um, they have a they have three new

[4:24:06] board members, so energizing, so

[4:24:10] connected. Community outreach is in

[4:24:12] three of their professional jobs. Um,

[4:24:15] and so I'm hoping that we'll see a

[4:24:17] reinvigoration of some energy and some

[4:24:20] accountability.

[4:24:22] The education program has been lacking a

[4:24:24] bit because they tied it to their

[4:24:26] conservation department and I think they

[4:24:28] need to break education out again and

[4:24:30] focus specifically on that. So I'm sorry

[4:24:32] I took more than

[4:24:33] >> is nature different

[4:24:36] >> experience than the aviary.

[4:24:37] >> Totally. Yeah. The birds,

[4:24:39] >> right? It is only open a few hours on

[4:24:42] the weekends. Now, it's they still have

[4:24:45] some partnerships that maybe host their

[4:24:47] meeting. Like there's a Pacific Islander

[4:24:49] organization that I think meets there

[4:24:50] once a month. I think there's an LGBTQ

[4:24:53] plus community organization that meets

[4:24:55] there once a month. Um, but they don't

[4:24:59] they have not been able to utilize

[4:25:04] they're worried about the overhead of

[4:25:05] course of that location in comparison to

[4:25:08] the amount of it being used, but what I

[4:25:10] know about the need in the community for

[4:25:12] a resource like that, we should be

[4:25:15] seeing that place bustling.

[4:25:17] >> So, it's basically it's not working.

[4:25:19] They just said it's not working

[4:25:20] >> at this time. It's not as successful as

[4:25:24] its potential for sure.

[4:25:29] something that worked for me. I attended

[4:25:31] the Bruce and Birds thing, self adult

[4:25:34] education with my husband. I can't

[4:25:36] believe how much we learned.

[4:25:38] >> We I mean I'm not really into that

[4:25:42] structured activities, but like I was

[4:25:44] like,

[4:25:44] >> "Yeah,

[4:25:44] >> I'm going to get my passport filled

[4:25:46] out." I've been every one of these.

[4:25:47] [laughter]

[4:25:49] >> Super educational.

[4:25:51] >> Yeah, they everything they do

[4:25:52] >> that was at the nature center. No, that

[4:25:54] was at the the aviary.

[4:25:56] >> Yeah. Everything they do at the aviary,

[4:25:58] I think, is just it's such a well-run

[4:26:01] machine. Um, their summer camps were

[4:26:03] good, their community outreach is good,

[4:26:05] the everything they do in classrooms is

[4:26:06] good.

[4:26:06] >> It seems because I reviewed them three

[4:26:08] years ago when they were opening it.

[4:26:09] Yeah. And it seems such a logical

[4:26:11] extension of the aviary to be the nature

[4:26:13] center and that the hear that they're

[4:26:15] struggling.

[4:26:16] >> Yeah.

[4:26:17] >> It surprises me.

[4:26:18] >> Yeah. And so I scored them as an 11. I

[4:26:21] don't know, you know, where everybody

[4:26:23] else is, but I did that because they

[4:26:24] have a tremendous number of strengths,

[4:26:26] but they they do need to um again, they

[4:26:31] need to have a visionary leadership, a

[4:26:33] supportive board, which I think they're

[4:26:35] getting to, and then they need the

[4:26:36] actual strategic plan, which at their

[4:26:39] last board meeting, I feel like it was

[4:26:41] being presented there with the energy of

[4:26:42] the new board members. I hope we see

[4:26:45] some things. And then plus people like

[4:26:46] me telling every tier two, well, if you

[4:26:48] need some help, why don't you go to the

[4:26:49] Trace Eat area? [laughter]

[4:26:51] >> I think of the tier ones because the

[4:26:52] tier a lot of the tier ones are downtown

[4:26:54] or on the eat side of the U.

[4:26:57] >> Having that location that you can pop a

[4:26:59] squad at and do mobile programming,

[4:27:02] >> whether it's outdoor or one of the

[4:27:04] classroom spaces seems interesting.

[4:27:06] >> Yeah, tremendous.

[4:27:06] >> That would be a way to

[4:27:08] >> potential frame the two mission state.

[4:27:10] It almost seems like they have two

[4:27:11] missions.

[4:27:13] uh I put two campus locations and varied

[4:27:16] goals for each alignment with mission

[4:27:17] was more nuanced and strategically

[4:27:20] considered to ensure congruence as one

[4:27:22] organization needs to be strategically

[4:27:24] considered. So if you did a

[4:27:26] [clears throat] mobile unit maybe

[4:27:28] >> I think people nature center more

[4:27:30] >> yeah the point to that was

[4:27:32] >> that's a lot of cobbley book what you

[4:27:33] just read I think but but but the

[4:27:35] positioning was [laughter]

[4:27:37] >> no it's not your words it's their words

[4:27:39] it's good application content but I

[4:27:42] wrote that. He wrote that.

[4:27:44] >> Oh, I'm sorry. [laughter]

[4:27:47] >> It's Michael.

[4:27:48] >> Forgive me.

[4:27:49] >> I was too I'm from the east. I was a

[4:27:51] little too direct. I'm sorry.

[4:27:54] >> Oh gosh. [laughter]

[4:27:57] >> It's good. I'm getting off the board

[4:27:59] because I'm

[4:28:02] » But their position years ago when

[4:28:05] [laughter] I met with the Tim and the

[4:28:06] board, it was about the the continuity

[4:28:09] was environmental stewardship.

[4:28:12] the nature center then kind of fit

[4:28:13] neatly in that. But it seems like

[4:28:15] operationally in practice there's a

[4:28:17] disconnect.

[4:28:18] >> Oh yeah, that's I could have just

[4:28:19] written that.

[4:28:20] >> Sorry. [laughter]

[4:28:21] >> It was

[4:28:22] >> you can use my words if you want.

[4:28:23] >> I think the concept of we if we build it

[4:28:26] they will come.

[4:28:27] >> Yeah.

[4:28:27] >> Right. They don't realize that there's a

[4:28:29] lot of if you build it they will come.

[4:28:32] There's a big dis.

[4:28:33] >> I think they believe that being on the

[4:28:35] west more on the west side was going to

[4:28:37] naturally incorporate.

[4:28:38] >> You need Robert Redford for that. I'm

[4:28:39] sorry. [laughter]

[4:28:42] That's a shame. That's

[4:28:49] » Kevin. Maybe Kevin.

[4:28:51] >> Any scores that are going to be changed?

[4:28:55] >> Please make your changes.

[4:28:58] >> We're going to go to natural history.

[4:29:02] >> After change coursees

[4:29:04] scores.

[4:29:07] One second. Can I switch? Do you have

[4:29:10] this up by any chance?

[4:29:12] >> Would you mind for me to do something

[4:29:14] real quick?

[4:29:14] >> Yep,

[4:29:15] >> that' be awesome. Um, is everybody

[4:29:17] changed and ready for Rita to start?

[4:29:19] >> Yeah. Great idea.

[4:29:21] >> Okay. Oh, go ahead.

[4:29:22] >> Should I

[4:29:24] pause?

[4:29:25] >> Oh, yes. Sorry. Sorry.

[4:29:30] » It's flashing and I can't remember.

[4:29:31] Thank you for being so so

[4:29:35] » There you go.

[4:29:37] And I didn't even know that's how I've

[4:29:39] been staying at conflict of interest. I

[4:29:41] didn't even know with Heidi. Um I spent

[4:29:45] time first of all with uh the Natural

[4:29:48] History Museum's board. I went to a

[4:29:50] board meeting and then I was able to go

[4:29:52] with Jason and talk about a lot of

[4:29:55] things. I had not been very long on

[4:29:59] this. I went like the week after I was

[4:30:02] asked. So I didn't know a lot of things

[4:30:04] to talk about but since have done some

[4:30:06] followup with them. Uh the thing with

[4:30:09] the natural history museum is because

[4:30:12] it's accounting to the University of

[4:30:14] Utah some of the considerations here

[4:30:16] about location and board members because

[4:30:19] so many of the board members are

[4:30:21] involved academically. They work with

[4:30:24] the um assistant the vice president

[4:30:28] actually with the vice president. There

[4:30:29] are a lot of again university

[4:30:32] accountabilities that they have to have

[4:30:34] as who is serving there and they do have

[4:30:36] an advisory board that is a little more

[4:30:38] diverse. Um they also there are so many

[4:30:43] levels of national international

[4:30:46] recognition that I think they're trying

[4:30:48] to balance how to serve both on IC for

[4:30:53] the IC purposes um which is comparable

[4:30:56] to POPS but for the science museums and

[4:30:59] then trying to address both arts and

[4:31:02] museums requirements through the state

[4:31:04] and through us that seem to be one of

[4:31:06] the things they're trying to build in

[4:31:08] and each time they get a new board

[4:31:10] member, they're looking at including

[4:31:12] that kind of diversity on the board. But

[4:31:15] what's so exciting about what they are

[4:31:18] doing is the focus on not only

[4:31:20] accessibility, but on diversity with the

[4:31:24] kinds of programs they're doing. We

[4:31:26] think for a long time, oh, it's bugs and

[4:31:28] things, which their bug world right now

[4:31:30] is just, if you can catch it, I think

[4:31:33] it's just open a little bit. It's

[4:31:35] marvelous. And I took different age

[4:31:38] groups from my family and everyone there

[4:31:41] was enough for the adults to really get

[4:31:43] into the deep science of it. And of

[4:31:45] course going through with Jason, he's

[4:31:48] just a master at talking about that and

[4:31:50] making very sophisticated concepts very

[4:31:53] personal. And that's showing up in their

[4:31:55] educational programming. They've made

[4:31:57] sure that they are not just a bunch of

[4:31:59] scientists and experts, but they want to

[4:32:02] convey that. And part of their mission,

[4:32:04] they repeated several times, is to bring

[4:32:06] new generations. This kind of got to me,

[4:32:09] but their major mission of bringing new

[4:32:12] generations of scientists, people

[4:32:15] interested in the natural world was uh

[4:32:18] one of the things that was outstanding

[4:32:20] talking to him, talking to board

[4:32:21] members, talking to um I actually had a

[4:32:24] tour scheduled with Axel, who is new in

[4:32:28] his position, came there from

[4:32:30] Thanksgiving Point. And so that across

[4:32:33] the the institution, the organizational

[4:32:36] mission of that they're outreach into

[4:32:38] the community, this idea that's growing

[4:32:40] on the citizen science thing. And I

[4:32:43] don't think

[4:32:46] um Okay, I'm up.

[4:32:49] >> Okay. I just I just want to say from the

[4:32:51] citizen science perspective, I wasn't

[4:32:55] sure how to talk to them because they

[4:32:57] are getting and recruiting people in the

[4:33:00] communities to carry their programs to

[4:33:03] the community. So that's a question I

[4:33:05] have about how they're going to report

[4:33:07] that is the fact that they've got

[4:33:09] someone in the community taking on these

[4:33:11] citizen science roles and helping local

[4:33:15] people.

[4:33:15] >> Does that mean they bringing activity to

[4:33:17] their community? they have different

[4:33:19] people located in the different

[4:33:21] communities and then they've got kids

[4:33:23] ready. They encourage them to do local

[4:33:26] things. And so I think that's a a

[4:33:29] fascinating program there. Um uh the

[4:33:34] question that you had and I'll just

[4:33:35] address this and fi about the the um

[4:33:39] finance and why they showed that great

[4:33:41] big input. There was that $45 million

[4:33:45] that they got. So they had to show it in

[4:33:47] their accounting for the year they

[4:33:50] received it, but it is to be sustained

[4:33:52] and only portions of it used over the

[4:33:55] coming years is why it showed that big

[4:33:57] balloon there.

[4:33:58] >> Okay, that was good to know.

[4:34:02] >> It's really cool to see later. We were

[4:34:04] so excited about an organization.

[4:34:06] >> Did you get to go behind the scenes like

[4:34:07] in the prep room?

[4:34:08] >> Oh yeah, I Yes.

[4:34:10] >> Isn't that amazing?

[4:34:11] >> Yeah. Incredible. rocks and butterflies.

[4:34:14] And that's something would be a fun

[4:34:16] board thing because it it will hit

[4:34:20] everybody back there, but how focused

[4:34:23] every person on the team is on their

[4:34:26] little part of it.

[4:34:30] >> Well, we had our behind the scenes and

[4:34:32] Peter missed it and it was so awesome.

[4:34:34] >> Oh, I know. Yes, I'm sorry I did.

[4:34:36] >> But and depending on the time of year,

[4:34:38] it might depend if we could have a

[4:34:39] quorum or not. But of course, Dr. kind's

[4:34:41] always happy to do another one.

[4:34:43] >> You could do it like mix it up with the

[4:34:45] tier twos. Yeah. And split it or

[4:34:47] something like that where you get like a

[4:34:48] summer two different times in the summer

[4:34:50] and whoever can make whichever one of

[4:34:52] them.

[4:34:53] >> Awesome.

[4:34:53] >> Maybe staff not being there is probably

[4:34:55] part of it. Be part of it.

[4:34:57] >> My my like my contribution to this

[4:35:00] conversation about the natural history

[4:35:01] museum. They were my very first

[4:35:03] organization too. I feel like we we get

[4:35:05] so lucky when miss you or the NHMU are

[4:35:08] our first organizations. But when you

[4:35:10] look at all the other tier one

[4:35:11] applications, most of them note NHMU as

[4:35:15] a partner. And I think that that's

[4:35:17] extraordinary. I feel that they know the

[4:35:20] magic sauce of saying partnerships are

[4:35:23] key to us infiltrating the community.

[4:35:26] And it's demonstrable. Um, and it has

[4:35:28] definitely advanced in the two years

[4:35:31] that I It

[4:35:32] >> reminds me of a we film. I don't know if

[4:35:33] they mention this enough in their

[4:35:34] application or get themselves in the

[4:35:35] credit, but they do a lot of free stuff

[4:35:37] for tier twos and tier ones. I don't

[4:35:39] know that they pat themselves on the

[4:35:40] back and realize how important that work

[4:35:42] is that they do for people to send their

[4:35:43] messages out to the community. But when

[4:35:46] we send them when we send them reviews,

[4:35:48] can we highlight those compliments to

[4:35:50] them too?

[4:35:51] >> And I just want to highlight too what

[4:35:53] they have managed to do with busing is

[4:35:56] again making that that's huge because so

[4:35:59] many of the museums have no way to get

[4:36:01] the kids from there to here and so that

[4:36:04] they work very conscientiously on

[4:36:07] getting that busing which I think is a

[4:36:09] great thing to talk to all of our our

[4:36:12] organizations about.

[4:36:13] >> Yes. And I' I'd like to add I did get to

[4:36:15] go on that tour, but um I feel like they

[4:36:18] really do a good um outreach with the

[4:36:21] younger population. They've got their

[4:36:23] program that they have with the Salt

[4:36:25] Lake County Library. So if the students,

[4:36:27] if the children are reading, they earn a

[4:36:29] free ticket and they can use it at any

[4:36:31] time. So it's not like going on one

[4:36:32] particular day and it's so cool and

[4:36:34] offers parents

[4:36:36] >> the flexibility they work. They can go

[4:36:38] on a Sunday, they can go on a Saturday,

[4:36:39] they can go on a timeline that fits for

[4:36:42] them. Um, another thing is my son

[4:36:44] participates in a youth symphony program

[4:36:46] through um, public schools and the

[4:36:48] students got to go of no cost to me

[4:36:51] included the transportation. So I don't

[4:36:52] know if it was a grant school district

[4:36:53] thing but it was definitely a

[4:36:54] partnership. They got to take these

[4:36:57] students to the Utah Museum of Natural

[4:37:00] History on a field trip for all their

[4:37:01] hard work that they had done. And I

[4:37:03] thought that was fantastic. I asked my

[4:37:05] son about it. I my children love that

[4:37:08] place, but they're always so impressed

[4:37:09] and they always come away with something

[4:37:12] new. And you could he said you could

[4:37:13] just feel that all the all the children

[4:37:15] there were very excited about having

[4:37:18] that experience and

[4:37:19] >> and maybe for some of them it's the

[4:37:21] first time maybe they don't have a way

[4:37:24] to get there even if they have that free

[4:37:26] ticket, right?

[4:37:27] >> That now they're do the new exhibition

[4:37:29] just a plug um on indigenous peoples.

[4:37:33] And I think that's really the

[4:37:36] opportunities for kids to

[4:37:38] >> they had they've had like farmers market

[4:37:42] fairs there for artisans, you know,

[4:37:45] Hispanic, indigenous people that done

[4:37:48] that. I think they still do that a

[4:37:50] couple times

[4:37:50] >> and their celebration. They have that

[4:37:52] celebrations. Yeah,

[4:37:53] >> that's great organization

[4:37:54] >> and needed needed. I updated a

[4:37:57] >> changes of score needed. Lynette did one

[4:38:00] but one else

[4:38:02] >> any other comments we will capture those

[4:38:04] uh

[4:38:05] >> okay

[4:38:06] >> for for the complimenting on

[4:38:09] >> as well as only

[4:38:10] >> we want to be positive

[4:38:11] >> okay so I think we're going to go ahead

[4:38:13] and take a break for 10 minutes is that

[4:38:15] I think everybody's how about uh 1 150

[4:38:19] >> yes

[4:38:19] >> is that okay

[4:38:21] >> some

[4:38:23] [laughter]

[4:38:25] you don't have any there did you not

[4:38:27] already see falling apart like two

[4:38:30] applications ago. [laughter]

[4:48:43] arts uh lead off and then on deck you

[4:48:47] see you've got Museum of Fine Arts.

[4:48:49] >> Yeah, I know we're a little late into

[4:48:50] the s, but can we ask the Liber viewer

[4:48:52] to give us your score at the end of your

[4:48:54] presentation just so we know where you

[4:48:56] scored it?

[4:48:57] >> Yeah. To see how off they are. I Well,

[4:49:00] I'm interested interesting because we do

[4:49:02] know being a lead reviewer is

[4:49:04] influential, right? It's you have more

[4:49:06] exposure.

[4:49:09] » I think you did that last year. I think

[4:49:10] y'all said

[4:49:11] >> we generally feel and then this is what

[4:49:13] I scored and then sometimes people could

[4:49:15] ask you what you scored in different

[4:49:16] categories or they just move on to say,

[4:49:17] "Well, this is what I scored and here's

[4:49:18] why." Whatever.

[4:49:19] >> Well, you just start off with saying

[4:49:20] what your score was or at the end.

[4:49:22] >> However you want.

[4:49:23] That's good.

[4:49:24] >> Viewer discretion.

[4:49:25] >> Do you want us to go back and catch that

[4:49:27] up or do that?

[4:49:27] >> No. No. No. No. No. No. You meet the

[4:49:30] Museum of Contemporary Arts. Who's that?

[4:49:32] >> We're not.

[4:49:34] [laughter]

[4:49:38] » Go ahead.

[4:49:38] >> Sorry. Um, okay. I have to go find find

[4:49:41] my score so I can record that at the

[4:49:43] end. Okay. Um,

[4:49:46] IOA has I attended Yimoka's board

[4:49:49] meeting. Um, it was it was interesting.

[4:49:53] It began with a um discussion of an art

[4:49:56] piece and I thought that was a cool way

[4:49:57] to ground the board meeting with like 20

[4:50:00] minutes of kind of um thinking about a

[4:50:03] piece that was um

[4:50:06] it it was multimedia. It had a a camera

[4:50:10] comp or projection component and then um

[4:50:14] and then some physical sculptural

[4:50:17] components as well. And it was really

[4:50:19] cool to hear the board talking about

[4:50:21] their observations of the of the work of

[4:50:24] art.

[4:50:25] Um [clears throat] their board was

[4:50:27] really engaged, large and really diverse

[4:50:30] in terms of age age ranges. Um their um

[4:50:36] exiting board chair uh was in his 80s

[4:50:40] and um then there was a lot of um

[4:50:43] there's been some board turnover too.

[4:50:46] And so there's um new several new board

[4:50:50] members who are um on a younger side

[4:50:53] too. Um Emoka has had a financial

[4:50:56] surplus at the end of the year or the

[4:50:59] past seven years. They have investment

[4:51:03] income as well. Um their expenses were

[4:51:06] up 5% this past year due due to grants

[4:51:09] that came in. Um I they they have a

[4:51:13] strategic plan planning committee and um

[4:51:16] and they reported on the strategic plan

[4:51:18] extensively and I was really impressed

[4:51:21] by the leader of that committee um and

[4:51:25] the the metrics and ROI that's being

[4:51:28] measured um in in accord in accordance

[4:51:31] with the plan.

[4:51:33] Um

[4:51:36] they are gearing up for um that they've

[4:51:40] done some things to expand statewide um

[4:51:43] like they have these um workshop events

[4:51:46] for artists in uh Canyon Lands for

[4:51:49] example a field works um class. They

[4:51:53] plan to maintain a curatorial compass on

[4:51:57] programs and themes um during their

[4:51:59] upcoming displacement from their

[4:52:01] location as a result of the downtown um

[4:52:06] overhaul. [laughter]

[4:52:07] Uh

[4:52:09] they will celebrate um let's see their

[4:52:11] weaknesses include you know I guess I

[4:52:13] would say you know audience draw um

[4:52:16] demand for for contemporary art. Having

[4:52:19] said that, they will celebrate 100 years

[4:52:22] in 2031. They're already planning on

[4:52:24] that. So, I mean, the longevity, I

[4:52:26] guess, does demonstrate that

[4:52:28] contemporary art has a has a a long-term

[4:52:32] appeal. Um, and then their current

[4:52:35] location also has some um

[4:52:38] it would would also be kind of a

[4:52:40] weakness because it's kind of an obscure

[4:52:42] location despite the fact that it's

[4:52:44] right by City Creek.

[4:52:46] um

[4:52:48] [clears throat and snorts]

[4:52:50] that they've

[4:52:54] just um that's kind of the bulk of my

[4:52:58] observations. Um,

[4:53:01] I tend to I like the fact that they are,

[4:53:06] you know, I think I am impressed by the

[4:53:08] way that they're adapting and gearing up

[4:53:11] to the lack of location and they just

[4:53:14] kind of feel like their organization

[4:53:16] isn't dependent on a on a space because as long as they

[4:53:22] um stay true to their mission um they

[4:53:26] can continue to exist.

[4:53:29] So, um, I I tend to score nice, so I

[4:53:34] give [laughter] them I give them a 13.

[4:53:38] >> Can I ask you, Heidi? Um, I I felt like

[4:53:41] my initial sense in just reading the

[4:53:43] application is that board member um

[4:53:46] increase from 19 to 30. It's not like it

[4:53:48] was 19 to 22 or 25. 19 to 30 is

[4:53:52] significant. To me, it just felt like a

[4:53:55] reactionary

[4:53:57] um decision and action to increase their

[4:54:01] revenues, right? Because they do have a

[4:54:03] large board um giving requirement. Um so

[4:54:07] that was an initial almost only to fund

[4:54:11] raise it seemed like to me strategy. Can

[4:54:14] you tell me, do you feel like it really

[4:54:15] was just a way of bringing in more money

[4:54:18] or do you feel like there was some real

[4:54:20] intentional recruiting,

[4:54:22] looking at skill sets, contributions

[4:54:25] that this team of new board members

[4:54:28] could make that the museum was maybe

[4:54:30] lacking in beforehand?

[4:54:32] >> How did they go from 19 to 30? I guess

[4:54:35] >> again,

[4:54:37] I mean, fundraising is a big deal. There

[4:54:40] is they're an interesting board. They um

[4:54:44] attend um

[4:54:47] international um tours like Art Basle

[4:54:50] together and stuff like that and they

[4:54:53] spend money to do I mean they pay um the

[4:54:58] museum for the spaces on those tours.

[4:55:00] They also they also provide them um as

[4:55:04] auction items in their annual

[4:55:06] fundraiser.

[4:55:07] >> Okay.

[4:55:09] >> Thank you.

[4:55:10] Have they come up with another location?

[4:55:13] That's where they're in a county.

[4:55:15] >> They they will be sort of considered a

[4:55:17] county venue.

[4:55:18] >> They are now, right?

[4:55:19] >> Uh yes, they are in Salt Palace

[4:55:21] basically, right? And that's county city

[4:55:23] kind of thing. Um and uh the county is

[4:55:26] working with them that when the new

[4:55:28] space is built, they will have a home.

[4:55:30] >> And will be a lease is

[4:55:32] >> I'm assuming it'll be just almost like a

[4:55:34] resident, but yes.

[4:55:35] Do you think that that will be since the

[4:55:38] county is spreading to facilities you

[4:55:41] know outside of downtown will it

[4:55:43] necessarily [clears throat] be downtown?

[4:55:44] I believe it will be downtown from what

[4:55:46] I understand what I've read so far in

[4:55:47] the plants where they've changed um

[4:55:49] they're supposed to be downtown have a

[4:55:50] nice location

[4:55:51] >> nearly 50% of their visitorship is from

[4:55:54] out of town right so and I think that's

[4:55:56] because they appeal they're like on the

[4:55:59] by

[4:56:02] » yeah I think that there's

[4:56:04] >> yeah they're certainly one of those

[4:56:06] visitor destinations even more so

[4:56:09] >> I think I think the residents don't know

[4:56:12] it's there

[4:56:12] >> yeah that's what I was a bit surprised

[4:56:15] given that they've been a hundred years.

[4:56:18] I mean, contemporary art is sort of a

[4:56:19] standard in in you know, museums and in

[4:56:22] all kinds of municipalities, but that

[4:56:24] their awareness is so limited. I was a

[4:56:26] little bit surprised by that given 100

[4:56:28] years. And then also their their

[4:56:30] economic model is completely it seems

[4:56:33] public dollars. They don't have

[4:56:37] >> well except the board

[4:56:39] >> except well I don't

[4:56:41] >> but but in terms of selling or revenue,

[4:56:44] >> concessions, or you know, selling

[4:56:46] artwork or any of the things that they

[4:56:48] otherwise said they couldn't do.

[4:56:50] >> Yeah, their board again, districts one

[4:56:51] and four is taking 22 of the 24 Salt

[4:56:54] Lake County seats. Um, and it's hard to

[4:56:57] think that they'll ever infiltrate a lot

[4:56:59] more of the county with awareness and

[4:57:00] services if they don't somehow start

[4:57:03] being more intentional with where

[4:57:04] they're getting information about how to

[4:57:06] serve those communities

[4:57:07] >> and competitive. Yeah. because they're

[4:57:09] in the last year, four other venues kind

[4:57:13] of down in that area competing with it.

[4:57:15] And I think I I think they're aware of

[4:57:18] it and hoping that the new situation

[4:57:20] will alleviate some of that, but they've

[4:57:23] still got this competition factor and of

[4:57:26] board members. A couple of board members

[4:57:28] are going on some of these others. So, I

[4:57:31] think it's really worth it, Heidi, to,

[4:57:34] you know, I I think they're aware of it

[4:57:36] and working on it, but it's it's going

[4:57:39] to be tricky going through this

[4:57:40] transition that really concerns me for

[4:57:44] them.

[4:57:44] >> Plus, the temporary move

[4:57:47] >> in between. Yeah, that's

[4:57:49] >> when construction supposed to begin that

[4:57:51] time. That's still being discussed.

[4:57:52] >> It said tearing down August 27 is what

[4:57:55] they've heard. August 2020.

[4:57:57] >> Tomorrow.

[4:57:59] [laughter] that happened today.

[4:58:02] >> Apostrophe in front of 27.

[4:58:05] >> I got to go visit those sites.

[4:58:06] >> In our newsletter, we list we do try to

[4:58:08] keep you informed because we know it's

[4:58:09] important for the board to know and our

[4:58:11] grantees about what time the venue what time of year the venues are

[4:58:14] closing. Uh not what time year sorry

[4:58:17] what year time period are they closing

[4:58:19] and then the the opening

[4:58:20] >> what's being demolished like the palace

[4:58:22] or what

[4:58:23] >> it's being changed or transformed.

[4:58:24] convention center and that palace is

[4:58:27] being or part of it is being more public

[4:58:30] accessible like outdoor space and a

[4:58:32] brain will be remodeled. Um the yumoka

[4:58:36] should be in a more prominent space. Um

[4:58:38] so but um I'm quoting those dates

[4:58:41] because I can't remember they

[4:58:42] >> okay remember the dates closing and

[4:58:43] opening.

[4:58:44] >> I think it'll be the the convention

[4:58:45] center closed from September 2027 for

[4:58:48] three years. the convention center next

[4:58:49] to the mills.

[4:58:51] >> I thought they were one of the same.

[4:58:53] >> They share the same HVAC is the issue.

[4:58:56] >> I just thought they were the same thing.

[4:58:58] >> They're not the same.

[4:58:59] >> So the Brav and the Salt Palace and the

[4:59:01] Emoka are the same build. Well, they

[4:59:02] same share the same Hback. That's the

[4:59:04] big thing. Um but they'll close a little

[4:59:06] bit different times. I think um I think

[4:59:07] Yumoka is going to stay six months

[4:59:09] longer than the bigger convention

[4:59:11] center. And then they'll take they'll be

[4:59:13] back online like six months later or

[4:59:14] something, if that makes sense. So

[4:59:15] they're basically on the same similar

[4:59:17] calendars. Um

[4:59:18] >> are they looking ahead with all these

[4:59:21] just

[4:59:23] >> Yes. They're going to,

[4:59:24] >> you know, with outreach and just

[4:59:26] >> Yeah, they're planning to adjust their

[4:59:28] educational programs. Um uh you know,

[4:59:31] because like they currently have summer

[4:59:33] camp stuff,

[4:59:34] >> but they've got their truck, right? That

[4:59:36] they said they're doing that little van

[4:59:39] go

[4:59:39] >> truck. Our truck.

[4:59:41] >> Yeah.

[4:59:42] >> Okay.

[4:59:42] their skeleton staff was lauded by

[4:59:45] board members. So,

[4:59:48] [laughter]

[4:59:49] >> we've got them listed now at 10.1 and

[4:59:51] adequate. If anyone wants to make any

[4:59:53] adjustments up or down in the comments

[4:59:54] or their scores, let's go ahead and do

[4:59:56] that now.

[4:59:58] >> And

[4:59:58] >> Museum of Fine Arts is next.

[5:00:00] >> Yeah, it's Amanda.

[5:00:03] >> All right.

[5:00:03] >> Uh average was 111. I think I gave him a

[5:00:06] 10. Um start with the strengths. So, uh,

[5:00:12] they showed me around the museum. They

[5:00:13] have a newer exhibit. Um, and it was I

[5:00:18] forget what it was called, but, um, it

[5:00:21] had like Mexican-American art, and it,

[5:00:23] uh, I was impressed by the partnerships

[5:00:25] and the

[5:00:27] community outreach they did in

[5:00:28] preparation for that exhibit to make

[5:00:30] sure it was done very intentionally with

[5:00:31] consideration to the MexicanAmerican

[5:00:34] community here in Utah. Um, that was

[5:00:38] very thoughtful. be

[5:00:41] it seems like they they do a lot of

[5:00:43] Yeah, they they're very thoughtful about

[5:00:44] all of their more modern exhibits that

[5:00:46] they bring in, which I appreciated. Um,

[5:00:48] and then I got a tour of their archives.

[5:00:51] That space was very well taken care of.

[5:00:53] Their staff is very caring. They're

[5:00:54] knowledgeable. I got to chat with some

[5:00:56] of them and they they really know what

[5:00:57] they're doing. They really care about

[5:00:58] this art. So, excellent stewards of the

[5:01:01] art. Um, weaknesses. So, I did sit in on

[5:01:06] a board meeting. Um, and I also asked a

[5:01:08] little bit about the board during my

[5:01:09] site visit as well.

[5:01:12] Um, not a lot of diversity and their

[5:01:16] board chair, I think she said she was

[5:01:18] 92. Uh, no plans to set down. Um, and

[5:01:23] they spent a lot of their board meeting

[5:01:25] talking about um I think the Hudson

[5:01:27] Center at the U, right, is is right by

[5:01:30] them. They're going to be renovating it,

[5:01:32] doing some new things, building some new

[5:01:33] like student centers and retail spaces.

[5:01:36] It's going to be very exciting. The

[5:01:38] museum is not part of that, but they're

[5:01:40] next to it. And they spend a lot of time

[5:01:42] speculating about like how that would

[5:01:43] affect them and like if they're going to

[5:01:45] get more traffic. And it was it was very

[5:01:49] I did not feel it was a very productive

[5:01:51] board meeting. Um I felt like the board

[5:01:53] is just kind of there. They've always

[5:01:55] been there. Um they're just kind of

[5:01:58] there just to be there. um it didn't

[5:02:01] seem like they had any well so another

[5:02:03] thing they talked about was um they had

[5:02:06] very limited physical space right they

[5:02:08] would like to expand because they're um

[5:02:10] almost at capacity with um their archive

[5:02:13] space and being able to store pieces um

[5:02:16] being able to accept new pieces is going

[5:02:17] to be very challenging for them um also

[5:02:20] they're trying to they they do make use

[5:02:23] of many of their active spaces um in

[5:02:26] partnership with the U with students as

[5:02:28] like educational spaces and community

[5:02:30] spaces, which is great, but they would

[5:02:32] like to expand. However, there's no

[5:02:34] clear plan to expand. There's no clear

[5:02:36] source of funding for that, but they

[5:02:38] still spent a lot of time talking about

[5:02:40] what that would look like and how they

[5:02:41] would do it. And so, it just seemed a

[5:02:43] lot of

[5:02:45] discussion about things that aren't

[5:02:47] going to happen to them. And so, I

[5:02:50] didn't really understand

[5:02:52] what the purpose of their meeting was

[5:02:53] that I sat in on. Um, so I think that

[5:02:56] was just I wasn't impressed by that. Um,

[5:03:00] but as far as the actual arts in the

[5:03:03] exhibits, very thoughtfully done, very

[5:03:05] considerate of the communities that they

[5:03:07] are trying to represent in their art.

[5:03:11] >> At that

[5:03:12] >> the executive director, she's been in

[5:03:14] place a long time. Gretchen. So this

[5:03:17] comment was addressing that succession

[5:03:19] about her too. It was just the chair of

[5:03:22] the board. but not the fact that she's

[5:03:23] been there a long time.

[5:03:24] >> No, she seems

[5:03:25] >> Who might who might step in for her?

[5:03:27] >> Um I don't know. Um she's I kind of

[5:03:30] tried to ask and she kind of brushed

[5:03:32] over that a little bit. Um she said that

[5:03:35] they have great staff and they they

[5:03:37] don't have a lot of turnover, which is

[5:03:39] good, but

[5:03:40] >> it wasn't a clear She didn't give me a

[5:03:42] clear answer on that one.

[5:03:43] >> Yeah, they lost their backup.

[5:03:45] >> Oh, did they?

[5:03:46] >> Idea person.

[5:03:47] >> They had an individual that

[5:03:49] >> somebody Yeah.

[5:03:50] >> Okay. Um, I have a question about

[5:03:52] because I've never asked about their

[5:03:54] free discounted admission days. That's a

[5:03:57] real concern for me. It seems like it's

[5:04:00] such a narrow

[5:04:01] >> Yes.

[5:04:02] >> window. Did Did they address that at all

[5:04:05] or how Zach that the zap money might

[5:04:09] >> because they say that day,

[5:04:11] >> right? It felt very similar to how um

[5:04:14] Wette feels about the aquarium and I

[5:04:15] also feel similarly is that they they do

[5:04:18] this as kind of like this is just the

[5:04:20] number of days that we have to get for

[5:04:21] free and then everything else they

[5:04:23] don't. Um and it didn't seem like they

[5:04:26] had any I I asked if they had any

[5:04:28] intention of like broadening discounted

[5:04:30] days or or free days and they didn't.

[5:04:34] >> So is that one is it one Wednesday, one

[5:04:36] Saturday? Yeah, it's a Wednesday

[5:04:38] evening.

[5:04:39] >> Saturday morning.

[5:04:40] >> And then they have a a Yeah. a family

[5:04:42] day, I think, once a month.

[5:04:43] >> Saturday morning.

[5:04:44] >> Yes, that's what it was. Um

[5:04:46] >> Yeah. So, so kids kids can go in and and

[5:04:49] they have like art activities for them.

[5:04:50] >> There's a limit though, don't they? On

[5:04:52] how many connection

[5:04:53] >> the capacity? Yes. Because of their

[5:04:54] physical space, they are. So

[5:04:57] >> are they you mean for the um the

[5:04:59] education space where they

[5:05:01] >> education they do like

[5:05:04] they hire the director of accounting how

[5:05:07] does that tie in with just their

[5:05:09] financial health and offerings does that

[5:05:12] is that incorporated into their year

[5:05:14] inclusive programming or

[5:05:16] >> I'm not sure it's univer

[5:05:19] it's it's a yeah it's attached to the

[5:05:21] university

[5:05:23] >> director oversight they hired a new

[5:05:26] director accounting in 2026

[5:05:29] financial practices in 2027.

[5:05:33] >> I'm afraid to read what I wrote.

[5:05:34] [laughter]

[5:05:38] » We're here for you.

[5:05:40] >> Net income, you know, so they're very

[5:05:42] focused on

[5:05:44] >> make sure they do well financially.

[5:05:45] They're hiring. Maybe was it the the

[5:05:48] review where they talked about the

[5:05:49] forgiveness

[5:05:50] >> from the

[5:05:51] >> lost forgiveness and they had a new

[5:05:54] person come in and review that or

[5:05:56] something?

[5:05:56] >> No, it said they hired a new director of

[5:05:59] accounting in 2026 for direct oversight

[5:06:03] >> demonstrating commitment to improved

[5:06:05] financial.

[5:06:07] Well, and before we wrap up, I I would

[5:06:09] be interested in hearing Peter's

[5:06:10] thoughts on this, too. But for me, I was

[5:06:12] so so highly disappointed in in this

[5:06:15] application because I felt like I just

[5:06:17] read the exact same application for

[5:06:18] three times in a row. And if I hear one

[5:06:21] more time about their partnership with

[5:06:23] Art Des Mexico, which has now been

[5:06:26] there, done that, and they're just

[5:06:28] holding on to it like it's a token, like

[5:06:30] this is our token diversity program. Um,

[5:06:35] I really I hate to say it, but I really

[5:06:37] scored them so much lower this year. I

[5:06:41] originally had the same enthusiasm as

[5:06:43] you started with your review. Um, but

[5:06:46] now that it's been three years in a row,

[5:06:48] it's like, what have you done for me

[5:06:49] lately? And no changes in our

[5:06:52] application or lead reviewer feedback

[5:06:55] has allowed them to up their game and

[5:06:57] serving a larger part of the community.

[5:06:59] They're probably the most hyper local of

[5:07:02] all of our organizations and their board

[5:07:04] representation and how they serve the county residents and so I feel like

[5:07:09] they have a lot of space to sort of get

[5:07:12] with the program as a tier one.

[5:07:14] >> So I reviewed them twice.

[5:07:16] So I don't know why I got a couple that

[5:07:18] I've done twice. Yeah.

[5:07:20] >> The beginning and then a second time.

[5:07:21] It's

[5:07:21] >> your sixth year. Number six, right?

[5:07:24] >> Okay. Anyway, so that artist they also

[5:07:29] had but they were very focused on uh

[5:07:31] stewardship and knowing the providence

[5:07:33] of art like some Japanese exhibit that

[5:07:35] they did some years ago.

[5:07:38] >> The other was um and it doesn't sound

[5:07:40] like as I was listening that they made

[5:07:42] much progress on some of these things

[5:07:43] because I think the last time I visited

[5:07:45] with Gretchen was three years ago and uh

[5:07:50] I used to talk to him a lot about why

[5:07:52] aren't you collaborating with the

[5:07:53] business school? Yeah,

[5:07:54] >> the Huntsman or the engineering school,

[5:07:57] they can't seem to

[5:07:59] >> collaborate even in their neighborhood.

[5:08:01] >> Sounds like

[5:08:02] >> and uh I don't know what, you know, I

[5:08:04] don't know what that challenge is.

[5:08:06] >> U parking is a problem up there, too, if

[5:08:08] you're a visitor.

[5:08:10] >> So, uh it doesn't sound like they've

[5:08:12] made as much progress. I mean, four or

[5:08:14] five years ago, there was the COVID

[5:08:16] excuse, you know, which everybody so for

[5:08:18] like a couple years, three years, I

[5:08:20] think they're still trying to recover

[5:08:22] from that, but there's something um

[5:08:24] institutionally

[5:08:26] that's not working. Now, the other thing

[5:08:29] is they have the cover of the U, which

[5:08:31] is another thing.

[5:08:33] >> That much money. Yes.

[5:08:35] >> I mean, the U was always going to step

[5:08:36] in because it's a building I think that

[5:08:38] the U owns. So I mean there's I'd like

[5:08:41] to think that there'd be more progress.

[5:08:43] It doesn't sound like there has been.

[5:08:45] >> We've got those notes. It sounds like

[5:08:47] some outreach issues is kind of what

[5:08:49] you're saying. Community building.

[5:08:50] >> Well, again, they they could collaborate

[5:08:53] with lots of communities around the

[5:08:55] county

[5:08:56] >> and and

[5:08:56] >> they could bring some of their exhibits

[5:08:58] to different places.

[5:09:00] [laughter]

[5:09:04] » My word was effort. Show some effort.

[5:09:06] >> Add that. Yeah, [laughter]

[5:09:11] like

[5:09:12] >> that's a great smile. You know, you were

[5:09:14] so impassive that you're breaking out of

[5:09:17] a smile.

[5:09:18] >> I assume we [laughter] need a minute for

[5:09:20] people to

[5:09:21] >> Sounds like we need some score

[5:09:23] adjustments.

[5:09:24] >> So, let's go ahead and make that happen.

[5:09:26] We've always said about Amanda, she

[5:09:28] doesn't say a lot, but what she says is

[5:09:30] [laughter] very profound. listen

[5:09:33] to their

[5:09:37] listen.

[5:09:39] >> It's important.

[5:09:41] >> Okay. So, while that's happening, I'm

[5:09:43] going to put on deck the next one.

[5:09:45] Again, uh we just finished one of the

[5:09:48] disciplines that we needed to get

[5:09:50] through. Um and we're going to go ahead

[5:09:52] and switch to arts education and we have

[5:09:55] two of those. We have Discovery Gateway

[5:09:57] and SpyHop. Discovery Gateway. Um it's

[5:09:59] all good. Uh for uh Spy Hop, we're just

[5:10:01] going to ask um one more one more exit

[5:10:04] from you. Great. And on tap, we do have

[5:10:07] one whenever you're ready.

[5:10:08] >> Hey, you have to get off of some of

[5:10:10] these conflicts because you got too many

[5:10:12] conflicts.

[5:10:13] >> I Samantha that very question.

[5:10:15] [laughter]

[5:10:16] >> She said no. It's good.

[5:10:17] >> It's Salt Lake City. We wouldn't have

[5:10:19] anybody on our [laughter]

[5:10:21] >> All right. I'm gonna apologize because

[5:10:23] this is one of the ones we gave um a lot

[5:10:25] of review and feedback to last year and

[5:10:27] so I know you're gonna want a little

[5:10:28] more time for those of us who

[5:10:30] experienced this organization last year.

[5:10:32] Um I will say I have to give them a

[5:10:35] tremendous amount of credit because they

[5:10:37] heard us and they responded in some very

[5:10:40] strong ways. I would hope that you those

[5:10:42] of you who have reviewed them more than

[5:10:43] once even just got that sense that their

[5:10:46] application shifted this year and

[5:10:48] telling their story. I feel like they

[5:10:49] did a much better job in trying to tell

[5:10:52] their story this year. Um, they

[5:10:55] definitely want to know what we need in

[5:10:58] order for them to keep improving. So,

[5:11:00] their thirst for support and knowledge

[5:11:02] and resources, I think, has been quite

[5:11:05] exceptional. Um, I put them through the

[5:11:07] ringer. I not only um spent time with

[5:11:10] their board, I made them schedule a

[5:11:11] board meeting just for me to attend um

[5:11:14] with their annual review the other day.

[5:11:16] and they've got some great wonderful new

[5:11:18] energy as well in their board. They had

[5:11:21] adopted um I think a couple years ago an

[5:11:24] advisory board they us call it like a

[5:11:26] youth professional board. I think you

[5:11:28] knew about that Andrea and um three of

[5:11:32] those members have now promoted into

[5:11:34] their board of trustees and so there's a

[5:11:36] lot of fun energy there. Um I think

[5:11:39] there in reference I wanted to sort of

[5:11:41] address some of the comments that were

[5:11:43] in the summary just to clarify. Um one I

[5:11:48] really have to appreciate their u

[5:11:50] museums for all in their museum

[5:11:52] inclusion fund. The museum inclusion

[5:11:54] fund grew by 50% this year in not just

[5:11:58] partnership but in utilization because

[5:12:01] if you guys knew the metrics I made

[5:12:03] people provide me to for them to be

[5:12:06] aware of their own organizational

[5:12:07] strengths and weaknesses you'd be

[5:12:09] shocked but the museum inclusion fund

[5:12:11] was something they created so that like

[5:12:12] whether it's the road home the Ronald

[5:12:14] McDonald House um a ver it's 18 I

[5:12:18] believe different organizations that

[5:12:20] they give I think gets $45,000 worth of

[5:12:25] free tickets to so that they can

[5:12:27] disseminate those tickets through their

[5:12:29] organizations

[5:12:30] and then I was worried about what is the

[5:12:32] redemption rate. So yeah, the redemption

[5:12:34] rate was up 50% this year. It was I

[5:12:36] believe 18 or $20,000 of the fund got

[5:12:40] used that they set aside. So they are

[5:12:43] looking like one of the things we've

[5:12:44] been priding in is how are you reaching

[5:12:46] in a grassroots way into the community

[5:12:48] to get people into your space. They do

[5:12:51] excel in pops as far as they get to

[5:12:53] every school, right? Every year they do

[5:12:56] a good job there, but um their financial

[5:13:02] situation, they were without a CFO for

[5:13:05] the 2025 cycle, and they hired somebody

[5:13:08] this past year who I think is doing a

[5:13:11] really good job at addressing a lot of

[5:13:13] their concerns financially, and we're

[5:13:15] seeing them hopefully come out of that

[5:13:18] uh situation. Um

[5:13:21] the you know what else did I have? I

[5:13:24] there was something else that I wanted

[5:13:25] to share with you and I'm so sorry if

[5:13:27] you guys want to comment or ask a

[5:13:28] question.

[5:13:29] >> Replace the executive director.

[5:13:31] >> No, Kathleen is still there and um I

[5:13:34] think one of the things that has been

[5:13:37] interesting is I do believe that there

[5:13:38] was a lot of shift in staff over the

[5:13:40] last couple years. I do think she is a

[5:13:44] leader who it's sort of she's a very

[5:13:46] strong visionary and I think people buy

[5:13:48] into the game plan or they leave um the

[5:13:52] game kind of thing. And so now they have

[5:13:55] a lot of stability, a lot of um

[5:13:57] congruity between the ED and the board

[5:14:00] and the staff in their strategic plan.

[5:14:04] Um they do have a lot of great ideas and

[5:14:07] they're starting to invest in how to

[5:14:09] bring more revenue into the

[5:14:10] organization. So hopefully in the next

[5:14:12] year they'll have their rooftop garden,

[5:14:14] their children's garden in place and

[5:14:16] they've got some really great um

[5:14:19] momentum there with some wonderful

[5:14:21] support from private contractors and in

[5:14:24] kind donations to make that work. There

[5:14:26] was a comment about like the elevator oh

[5:14:29] with them being ahead in their 10-year

[5:14:31] plan and that they were four years ahead

[5:14:33] and getting all done. I would think the

[5:14:34] elevator is a problem for Salt Lake

[5:14:36] County. Not [laughter]

[5:14:38] not the Discovery Gateway Children's

[5:14:40] Museum. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just

[5:14:41] throwing my hands up in the air, but

[5:14:43] that sounds like a landlord problem more

[5:14:44] than it sounds like

[5:14:46] >> they're the one that we asked them to

[5:14:47] come and meet with us, right?

[5:14:49] >> They were one of them.

[5:14:50] >> And did we give them a warning letter?

[5:14:52] >> We did.

[5:14:52] >> And so, Lynette, you think that they've

[5:14:56] earned away from the warning? Yes. You

[5:14:59] pleased with all the changes they made

[5:15:01] for

[5:15:01] >> I I am. I feel like they are a work in

[5:15:05] progress. But the more we do to support

[5:15:09] them understanding what our expectations

[5:15:11] are of them, they are very willing and

[5:15:14] ready to meet that, I was thanked many, times over for the challenges that

[5:15:19] I provided them and the ways I asked

[5:15:21] them to look at their organization and

[5:15:24] what they needed to do to overcome some

[5:15:26] of those challenges. Obviously, every

[5:15:28] organization has um room for growth, but

[5:15:32] I really did have to um congratulate

[5:15:35] them on that. Um

[5:15:36] >> it's good to hear. I think it's just as

[5:15:38] a comment. I think it's important

[5:15:40] especially those that we've been looking

[5:15:42] for improvements. I appreciate Lynette's

[5:15:45] confidence because otherwise I don't

[5:15:46] really know because I have bias from

[5:15:49] where we were with them last year. So,

[5:15:51] >> and and I walked in with that bias,

[5:15:53] right? And so I unfortunately you guys

[5:15:56] have me having some of the hardest

[5:15:57] organizations based on our previous

[5:15:59] reviews. So you know that I went in

[5:16:02] there sort of guns ablazing. Yeah.

[5:16:05] [laughter]

[5:16:06] Especially when this was my line of work

[5:16:08] before I came to this board. Um so yeah,

[5:16:11] I do feel really good that they're

[5:16:12] headed in the right direction. Um but I

[5:16:16] want to give

[5:16:18] >> I gave them

[5:16:22] um a 10.

[5:16:25] But that's adequate for each time,

[5:16:27] >> right?

[5:16:28] >> Okay.

[5:16:29] >> Yeah, because they're a work in

[5:16:30] progress.

[5:16:31] >> Okay.

[5:16:32] >> Yeah.

[5:16:32] >> Thank you.

[5:16:34] >> I I reviewed them last year and I also

[5:16:36] gave them a 10 this year.

[5:16:38] >> I didn't.

[5:16:39] >> Okay. But you said you're a more

[5:16:40] generous reviewer than I am.

[5:16:43] >> She's learning.

[5:16:45] [laughter]

[5:16:48] » I still have my biases.

[5:16:50] >> Yeah. and and there they definitely

[5:16:54] I hear you. Yeah, I hear you. And I

[5:16:56] think that it's going to have to

[5:16:57] continue to be worked. But

[5:17:00] >> uh I'll share a couple comments because

[5:17:02] I want to make sure we address things

[5:17:03] from last year and I had conversations

[5:17:04] with multiple board members before this

[5:17:06] meeting on a couple things they wanted

[5:17:07] to share. So I just want to be really

[5:17:09] open about this so we make sure it's

[5:17:10] addressed. Um, one of the issues, um,

[5:17:13] was that the difference between

[5:17:15] something being written down and said

[5:17:16] and the actual action taking place was a

[5:17:19] gap for y'all last year. Um, what they

[5:17:21] said and and wrote and on their site

[5:17:24] visit versus what was actually taking

[5:17:26] place regarding exhibits being what you

[5:17:28] want them to be and serving communities

[5:17:30] you want them to. I don't know that was

[5:17:32] talked about yet. Just a thought for

[5:17:33] you. And the other one that was new for

[5:17:35] me this year that you shared was your

[5:17:38] concern around um the discipline um that

[5:17:41] the arts education or uh anything beyond

[5:17:45] STEM was hard for y'all to get your

[5:17:47] minds wrapped around. Um and so maybe

[5:17:50] understanding more of those areas might

[5:17:52] be helpful.

[5:17:52] >> And I did mean to address that or

[5:17:54] Samantha. Yes, because I was at their

[5:17:56] board. They didn't have this board

[5:17:57] meeting until just Monday because like I

[5:17:59] said, I forced them into scheduling a

[5:18:01] meeting. But um they more [laughter]

[5:18:06] but anyway, so they do I did ask them

[5:18:08] upfront. I said, "Tell me about in which

[5:18:10] ways you incorporate art into all of

[5:18:13] your educational programming because I

[5:18:15] know they have the dedicated art studio

[5:18:17] downstairs where they have the art

[5:18:18] teachers and that's great." And they

[5:18:21] said honestly when it comes to their

[5:18:24] going out to their school programs, most

[5:18:27] of it is going to be more related to

[5:18:29] science than arts education. And that

[5:18:31] they are looking at ways of bringing

[5:18:34] that in. And I know this is going to be

[5:18:35] next year's application, but for

[5:18:37] example, they're trying to get funding

[5:18:39] for an artist and residency um program

[5:18:43] funded so that they can have an artist

[5:18:44] on site and they have a particular

[5:18:47] program in mind related to that. So,

[5:18:49] they do have ideas in mind and are

[5:18:51] looking for particular funding and

[5:18:53] resourcing to bring more art into the

[5:18:55] museum itself. How that will change and

[5:18:58] what they do in their their school

[5:19:00] programming, I'm not familiar with

[5:19:02] anything on tap for that. Doesn't mean

[5:19:06] it doesn't exist. I'm just not familiar

[5:19:07] with it.

[5:19:08] >> Anybody have arts education?

[5:19:10] >> They do have a particular arts studio

[5:19:12] that they have. When I was I've been

[5:19:15] there three times and it's always been

[5:19:16] staffed. This is where I come out with

[5:19:19] it being a discipline. You go through

[5:19:21] their programs and it's about at the bus

[5:19:24] stop for traveling. It is not at it's

[5:19:27] multidisciplinary.

[5:19:29] I would go for that. But as far as their

[5:19:32] primary mission being arts education

[5:19:35] they are using art to support

[5:19:38] >> yes

[5:19:39] >> their their other programs. But if I

[5:19:42] were to look at it and say this is

[5:19:44] somehow an arts ed program, they are

[5:19:47] using arts education but their main

[5:19:50] mission is just discovering these other

[5:19:52] things. And so I just wondered if as as

[5:19:56] a discipline or looking at it to say

[5:19:59] multi-disiplinary.

[5:20:00] >> Well, they did write us and ask for

[5:20:02] multi-disipline but we couldn't identify

[5:20:04] two disciplines and arts that they fit

[5:20:05] into that Zap Zap approved. Right. But

[5:20:08] not are I mean because they are STEM and

[5:20:11] steep. I mean if you look at they

[5:20:14] >> but they they still primarily what

[5:20:17] they're doing there's that social

[5:20:20] aspect. So they are using art to tell a

[5:20:22] story like I can use science to tell

[5:20:25] story about photographs in my museum but

[5:20:29] that doesn't make me a science museum.

[5:20:31] >> Do you think you have some a couple of

[5:20:32] the ZAP approved disciplines you'd

[5:20:34] recommend that they could apply because

[5:20:35] we'd have to find two or more. Yeah, let

[5:20:37] me go just maybe that make a

[5:20:39] conversation for next year's helping

[5:20:41] like you said but you're all saying

[5:20:42] right now that you want to help support

[5:20:43] them and they should put in a better

[5:20:46] >> multi-disiplinary. They did do that but

[5:20:48] we couldn't find what [clears throat] we

[5:20:49] didn't you've done the review you know

[5:20:52] this airspace and so maybe you could go

[5:20:54] chat with them about the best ways and

[5:20:56] so then when you review it next year you

[5:20:57] feel like you're reviewing it for the

[5:20:58] right um aspects of their main

[5:21:00] discipline. How's that? can because I

[5:21:02] think some of the great stuff they're

[5:21:03] doing those other things if they're

[5:21:05] perceived as an arts discipline the arts

[5:21:08] grants are going to challenge that where

[5:21:10] we can say oh if it's a stem esteem kind

[5:21:14] of thing and it's not just art I think

[5:21:16] it'll be better luck for them getting

[5:21:19] some of these grants

[5:21:20] >> yeah okay

[5:21:20] >> definitely with Rita's expertise that

[5:21:23] would be more

[5:21:24] >> good for me

[5:21:26] >> can we close the discussion and

[5:21:27] discovery

[5:21:28] >> make their adjustments or any comments

[5:21:30] fixed force changed.

[5:21:31] >> Are we ready to move on?

[5:21:33] >> We've got four more. No, we got more

[5:21:35] than that.

[5:21:36] >> We have nine more organizations. And if

[5:21:38] you want to get out on time, I suggest

[5:21:40] that you hurry up.

[5:21:42] >> I know. We also want to [laughter] be

[5:21:43] thorough and when we have people

[5:21:48] do the quick three minute version on

[5:21:50] SpyHop, but I will tell you it was my

[5:21:52] highest rank.

[5:21:54] >> Just one second. Just one second. Sorry.

[5:21:56] >> Oh,

[5:21:57] >> I didn't hear that. Oh, [laughter]

[5:22:00] sorry. Goodbye. I forgot we

[5:22:03] >> When you refuse, you still score.

[5:22:05] >> She doesn't score. She doesn't add to

[5:22:07] the conversation. She doesn't anything.

[5:22:10] >> Yeah. And so this was my highest. I gave

[5:22:13] them a 15. And some of the things that

[5:22:17] really stood out for me uh both in my

[5:22:20] visits there and going through the

[5:22:21] application, what I saw in the

[5:22:23] application was what I went through

[5:22:26] experiencing there. The main thing that

[5:22:29] I see them standing out is not only are

[5:22:32] they youth centric in their programming,

[5:22:35] they are youth centric in their use of

[5:22:37] space, the way they get kids in there

[5:22:40] doing things. I went to their

[5:22:42] presentation, they they didn't have a

[5:22:44] space to show their films, so I went

[5:22:46] over to see the films. Um, but I've

[5:22:49] never seen any organization that is so

[5:22:53] kid- centric from what they have for the

[5:22:56] snacks for the kids, for the spaces they

[5:22:58] sit in, they engage in, and everyone

[5:23:02] everywhere I went, I was talking to

[5:23:04] youth. There were staff members, but the

[5:23:07] youth were telling me about their

[5:23:08] experiences, what it did for them to be

[5:23:12] able to put their thoughts, their minds

[5:23:14] in a film that people actually came to

[5:23:17] see. Couple of questions that were there

[5:23:20] were about some of the volunteers and

[5:23:23] things. They have had Sundance volunteer

[5:23:25] help, but they're rebuilding their

[5:23:27] volunteer offerings. Um, but everything

[5:23:31] they've done, diversity, youth and care,

[5:23:33] working with foster kids, um, they they

[5:23:36] just cover every tick box for me of

[5:23:39] being a real community partner where

[5:23:41] they haven't been out in the community,

[5:23:44] they're bringing them into the space.

[5:23:46] So, that's something I think to have

[5:23:47] them continue to work on is how can they

[5:23:50] get funding that can actually get out to

[5:23:53] more of these spaces in the county.

[5:23:55] >> I think they figured out how to get

[5:23:56] kids. So this is basically junior high

[5:23:59] and high school age kids, right? And

[5:24:01] they

[5:24:01] >> through 25. I mean it's

[5:24:03] >> and they have figured out how to bring

[5:24:05] kids to their facility from all the

[5:24:07] count side.

[5:24:09] >> Yeah.

[5:24:09] >> Oh, the east side.

[5:24:10] >> They're I actually scored them lower

[5:24:12] this year than I did last year even

[5:24:14] though I visited them with Rita only

[5:24:16] because of geographical reach that

[5:24:19] became a greater reality to me. The

[5:24:21] quality of their programming is

[5:24:24] outstanding. Like it's unrivaled, right,

[5:24:26] with what they're doing is the way Rita

[5:24:27] described it. But it because then I was

[5:24:30] there living it. All I could do was be

[5:24:32] disappointed for the number of people

[5:24:33] who don't have access to it. And so

[5:24:36] that's why my score actually dropped

[5:24:38] this year in comparison to

[5:24:40] >> they don't because I thought that they

[5:24:41] were geared I thought they were so when

[5:24:44] I visited them again years ago already

[5:24:47] they you know they were reaching out to

[5:24:49] kids. they couldn't find programs in

[5:24:50] their school

[5:24:51] >> central night

[5:24:52] >> and that they were coming here and I

[5:24:54] thought that they had some means for

[5:24:56] those kids to get there

[5:24:58] >> or maybe they're using

[5:24:59] >> I think maybe when they went to the

[5:25:01] exclusively free programming model maybe

[5:25:04] they just didn't have enough resources

[5:25:06] to keep doing some of the things that

[5:25:08] they were doing before when they were

[5:25:10] generating some revenue but now like

[5:25:13] even the snacks are free right like

[5:25:15] everything about their programming is at

[5:25:17] no cost which is again They're so

[5:25:20] remarkable. It's just how to get them.

[5:25:24] >> Yeah.

[5:25:24] >> To get more kids from around.

[5:25:26] >> Did you get a sense from their hear

[5:25:29] about 10 year strategic plan to invest

[5:25:31] in unlock human potential?

[5:25:33] >> They are building. They've got a phase 2

[5:25:35] program where they actually take the

[5:25:37] students they've been doing, mentor them

[5:25:39] into the next level. So they get money

[5:25:41] from that and the kids start to have

[5:25:44] that professional experience and then

[5:25:46] they network on with them as they become

[5:25:49] alumni and that's a big part

[5:25:51] >> I just wanted to do the broader

[5:25:53] representation.

[5:25:53] >> Well and it was interesting because the

[5:25:55] kids when I went back there the kids

[5:25:57] wandering in from the community were

[5:25:59] different than the ones that were coming

[5:26:01] in. So there were a lot of local kids

[5:26:03] that kind of used it as a youth center

[5:26:06] with kids of learning whatever.

[5:26:09] >> I think they've got a decent alumni

[5:26:11] network too of people that graduate. And

[5:26:13] I wanted to comment that on two of the

[5:26:15] reviews this year, Utah Arts Festival

[5:26:17] and the Utah Film Center,

[5:26:19] >> they are actively collaborating with one

[5:26:21] another that the

[5:26:22] >> the Utah Film Center, their kids are

[5:26:24] graduating to the film center, you know,

[5:26:26] to continue their film making journey.

[5:26:28] And then the Utah Arts Festival has co

[5:26:31] has uh and they're not just film, they

[5:26:34] do music and they do a whole bunch of

[5:26:35] different media. Um Utah Arts Festival

[5:26:38] featured SpyHop people at their event

[5:26:40] this year too. And I think that's a good

[5:26:43] sign of collaboration.

[5:26:45] >> Be one of the recommendations then to

[5:26:46] try to get broader district

[5:26:48] representation through maybe their

[5:26:50] strategic planning and impact.

[5:26:52] >> Yeah, I think so.

[5:26:53] >> Outreach. I I you know I I thought that

[5:26:56] they were doing more to get these high

[5:26:58] school age kids to to their downtown

[5:27:00] location from other parts of this

[5:27:02] county. But

[5:27:03] >> well again it's just it comes from the

[5:27:04] top down, right? So I made the note of

[5:27:06] the board of directors is comprised of

[5:27:08] 15 members all representing districts

[5:27:10] one and four. This sets an immediate

[5:27:11] geographic preference for programming

[5:27:13] and community outreach. It just does.

[5:27:16] Yeah.

[5:27:16] >> Right.

[5:27:17] >> Because they don't get to talk about it

[5:27:19] in other districts. So nobody knows.

[5:27:20] Other thing is with their board as I

[5:27:22] went back through their board

[5:27:25] >> they are professionals working in the

[5:27:27] field who are of necessity closer to the

[5:27:31] heart of Salt Lake and so I think

[5:27:32] there's a dis there yeah they're

[5:27:34] specialized people that they need to

[5:27:37] mentor the kids and a lot of them are

[5:27:40] working closer to Salt Lake and I'm not

[5:27:43] sure how we

[5:27:45] you know recommend bringing outside

[5:27:47] professionals that are either going to

[5:27:49] be down close Sundance was

[5:27:51] >> you just need people who are community

[5:27:52] engagement specialists in some way or

[5:27:54] another, right? Like when we had the art

[5:27:55] selection committee for this facility, I

[5:27:57] was on the art selection committee and I

[5:27:59] have zero art true art experience,

[5:28:01] right? But my community background is

[5:28:03] what made our whole committee decide on

[5:28:05] what art actually went into this

[5:28:07] building.

[5:28:08] >> It was my feedback, right, that helped

[5:28:11] >> evolutionize that conversation. So

[5:28:14] that's what they're missing is that

[5:28:16] grassroots connection into these other

[5:28:18] spaces. We love that they had those

[5:28:19] professionals, but

[5:28:21] >> but like I'm just saying listening to

[5:28:23] the seeing all the variety there was

[5:28:27] just um like this is

[5:28:30] >> what was your score?

[5:28:31] >> My score is 15 and I

[5:28:36] >> people want to adjust their scores and

[5:28:38] we'll move on to the next one.

[5:28:40] >> She's

[5:28:42] hail.

[5:28:43] >> Do we want to try to get through the

[5:28:45] next three before we take a break or do

[5:28:46] we need a break? Let's go through the

[5:28:47] next three.

[5:28:49] >> Okay, that sounds good.

[5:28:50] >> Okay, let me pull it

[5:28:52] to my ear.

[5:28:53] >> Just anything that you need to adjust in

[5:28:56] the system. We got your comments and

[5:28:58] then it looks like it's hail.

[5:29:00] >> Yeah, right.

[5:29:01] >> Yep.

[5:29:03] >> Hail to hail.

[5:29:04] >> Um, okay. Well, obviously

[5:29:06] [clears throat] Hail does something

[5:29:07] that's just so extraordinary in the

[5:29:09] state and nationwide, right, at their

[5:29:11] theater with what the the the caliber of

[5:29:13] their performances are unrivaled.

[5:29:15] when we were talking about

[5:29:16] that really high capacity of attendance,

[5:29:19] 97% of their seats are sold, right? Um,

[5:29:22] so the question is, is that capacity

[5:29:25] fabulous or are we losing opportunities

[5:29:28] again to be bringing more people into

[5:29:30] the facility because it's already in a

[5:29:32] revenue generating state. I have to give

[5:29:35] them a ton of credit. Again, I went in

[5:29:37] there guns ablazing and they produced

[5:29:40] more and more and more and more

[5:29:41] documents and metrics for me. um which

[5:29:44] they were grateful for because it helped

[5:29:46] self-inform their decisions for the

[5:29:48] future. But last year, you know, we all

[5:29:51] had a bit of a moment where we're like,

[5:29:53] "Oh my gosh, they have so much revenue.

[5:29:56] They have so much capacity to generate

[5:29:58] um private found funding." And then this

[5:30:00] year when they paid off their building,

[5:30:01] the number one question is how is that

[5:30:03] money going to be reappropriated? Their

[5:30:06] two goals for this year were to increase

[5:30:09] their reserves and to uh promote their

[5:30:12] education. So they feel that they're

[5:30:15] basically going to be using the money

[5:30:18] that would have been uh maybe used in a

[5:30:21] payment before which they said it wasn't

[5:30:23] really it was dividends from other

[5:30:25] investments that was making that

[5:30:26] payment. They that's where they're

[5:30:28] saying that money was. So they don't

[5:30:30] feel it needs to be reappropriated

[5:30:31] anywhere but into additional reserves or

[5:30:33] other investments for themselves. But

[5:30:35] the education is where I really struggle

[5:30:37] because I've always given them a really

[5:30:39] hard time that they don't rival our POPS

[5:30:42] organizations not knowing the difference

[5:30:44] and what those resources were um and

[5:30:46] their capacity to reach into the

[5:30:48] community. So they do I believe it's 16

[5:30:51] matineese a year um where people can

[5:30:55] come in first you know first come first

[5:30:57] serve teachers can bring for whole

[5:30:59] schools homeschoolers the number of

[5:31:01] homeschoolers that go to those free

[5:31:03] matineese at health center theater uh um

[5:31:06] are outrageous so it is thousands of

[5:31:09] kids are coming to those free matineese

[5:31:12] um however the system is set up that it

[5:31:15] is first come first serve and so unless

[5:31:17] you already know about the system, you

[5:31:20] have no chance of being in the system.

[5:31:22] The only thing that provides any equity

[5:31:24] in it is that if you came last year, you

[5:31:26] can't come this year. Um, but that does

[5:31:29] not there's nothing intentional then

[5:31:32] about how they are trying to serve the

[5:31:35] county at large based on that system.

[5:31:37] And so now that they're aware of it, I'm

[5:31:38] hoping next year we will see some

[5:31:40] opportunities there. Um, the other thing

[5:31:43] related to education, I did go to a

[5:31:46] school in West Valley where they were

[5:31:47] doing their storyw weavers program and

[5:31:49] it's so fun to see the kindergarteners

[5:31:52] and the fifth graders uh do the story.

[5:31:55] Did you actually go to a story weavers

[5:31:57] in the school?

[5:31:58] >> Um, and I needed to do that because I

[5:32:01] wanted to see in a community that I felt

[5:32:04] needed the most support this way and

[5:32:06] probably would never have access to the

[5:32:08] theater itself. Those storyw weavers

[5:32:10] professionals were so amazing and they

[5:32:13] really gave me the whole lowdown right

[5:32:15] on what they needed and supplemental.

[5:32:17] >> Do they take the kids through a story?

[5:32:20] >> So the artistic director at Hell Center

[5:32:23] Theater writes a little musical um for

[5:32:26] them to perform. It's about a 20-minute

[5:32:28] performance and then they go through a

[5:32:30] lot of Q&A and engagement with the kids

[5:32:33] for it's like a 45 minute total time

[5:32:36] frame. Last year though, storyw weavers

[5:32:39] only went to 37 schools, 20 of them

[5:32:42] being in Salt Lake County. So they have

[5:32:44] this huge overhead that their artistic

[5:32:46] director every single year writes the

[5:32:49] show. They have their professional

[5:32:50] performers perform the show. Um and they

[5:32:54] do give this the performance for free at

[5:32:57] title one schools and then other schools

[5:32:59] are charged up to $250 for the

[5:33:01] performance. But with their capacity to

[5:33:05] fund raise and the amount of revenue

[5:33:07] they have and revenue coming from us

[5:33:09] that we want to see a direct correlation

[5:33:11] to how is it benefiting the entire

[5:33:13] community. The lack of number of

[5:33:17] performances by the story weavers I feel

[5:33:19] is a tremendous window of opportunity to

[5:33:23] access the the county at large, right?

[5:33:26] If they really did make an investment um

[5:33:29] and making that happen. So building

[5:33:31] those relationships is tough, finding

[5:33:33] those people, how to access those

[5:33:35] places, but the way the health center

[5:33:38] theater, their administrative

[5:33:41] focus and their ability to get

[5:33:44] information and write a report and get

[5:33:47] you everything you want the next day um

[5:33:50] kind of thing. their capacity is so high

[5:33:53] and I feel like to whom much had the

[5:33:56] opportunity and capacity much is

[5:33:59] required and I think that's where we've

[5:34:01] all struggled with hell in the past is

[5:34:04] >> I mean I I I recently met with one of

[5:34:06] the descendants of the original family

[5:34:09] yeah and they've been at this for 57

[5:34:12] years private and then nonprofit they

[5:34:14] know how to run a theater do they still

[5:34:16] have three is it three theaters that

[5:34:18] they have

[5:34:18] >> they do and they open a new theater this

[5:34:21] year. So, they have the Beehive Theater,

[5:34:23] the main stage, and the uh the other

[5:34:27] one. I've been to a couple of the

[5:34:28] performances complex, right? Yes. And

[5:34:30] then they fully attended at all the

[5:34:33] programs.

[5:34:35] >> Yes. Systemwide, they they have like

[5:34:38] 28,000

[5:34:40] uh subscribers. They I mean, they're

[5:34:42] >> the pricing is not cheap, right?

[5:34:44] >> It's not. And that was one more thing I

[5:34:46] want to make real quick. And I'm sorry

[5:34:47] because again it's just a tough

[5:34:48] organization to report on in three

[5:34:50] minutes but um they believe that doing

[5:34:53] youth pricing is part of their

[5:34:55] charitable contribution and in my mind

[5:34:58] in hospitality and entertainment youth

[5:35:01] pricing is standard right so it's not

[5:35:03] that you're giving me anything but they

[5:35:05] can't because they sell out anything

[5:35:07] that they give they think they're

[5:35:09] giving.

[5:35:10] >> So I'll leave it at that unless you have

[5:35:12] some questions or you make your

[5:35:14] comments. I'm so sorry.

[5:35:16] My score um for them is drum roll.

[5:35:21] Sorry. Sorry. Um I gave them a 10.

[5:35:25] >> Oh, sorry. I assigned to assignments.

[5:35:27] >> Yes, just fine.

[5:35:28] >> I'm sorry.

[5:35:29] >> It's good that I can talk really fast.

[5:35:32] >> Uh did we have other comments or

[5:35:34] conversations for Hail?

[5:35:35] >> Wow.

[5:35:36] >> How about changing any scores? Go ahead

[5:35:38] and do that now. Make those adjustments.

[5:35:41] Um, then we'll move to Pioneer will be

[5:35:43] the next one on the theater and that

[5:35:46] would be Heidi. just go ahead and make

[5:35:48] those changes and then let's go ahead

[5:35:50] and when you're when everyone's ready a

[5:35:53] minute I think

[5:35:58] um theater

[5:36:01] has had a leadership transition and um

[5:36:05] this is Adrian um uh second year as the

[5:36:10] executive director is

[5:36:14] » um

[5:36:15] >> and and he's exceptional and he is

[5:36:18] committed to turning this around and he

[5:36:21] um and it it's pretty impressive. Okay.

[5:36:24] Um well

[5:36:27] compared to hail for example um primary

[5:36:30] theater is authentic to original

[5:36:32] manuscripts. They don't uh cut curse

[5:36:34] words and things like that. So from an

[5:36:36] artistic standpoint

[5:36:38] >> that's why you want to go to there.

[5:36:39] >> I would call it higher [laughter]

[5:36:40] quality. I would call it more artistic

[5:36:43] quality. Um they had the same number of

[5:36:47] attendees this past season for six shows

[5:36:49] compared to seven the season prior. Uh

[5:36:52] they did some really cool stuff with

[5:36:54] outreach dear Evan Hansen and um the

[5:36:57] first responders to Come From Away.

[5:37:00] >> Um they had strong subscription renewals

[5:37:03] in the live in the lobby during Come

[5:37:05] From Away and new season subscribers are

[5:37:08] up by 300. Um they have the pay what you

[5:37:11] can program and uh last season uh they

[5:37:16] had 1,200 people take them up on this

[5:37:18] curtain call program. Uh the prior

[5:37:21] season was 800. So they're really

[5:37:23] expanding and you can see on this chart

[5:37:25] >> how much free

[5:37:27] >> that it's almost a 5050 split with free

[5:37:30] um admission activities in both the

[5:37:33] activities and the um attends.

[5:37:37] Um

[5:37:39] >> are and

[5:37:42] single tickets uh were up uh by um 4,000

[5:37:47] more single tickets sold last season and

[5:37:50] again with one fewer production. So

[5:37:54] they're really on the upward trend. Um

[5:37:58] [clears throat] their financials uh in

[5:38:00] the I attended their board meeting. They

[5:38:03] had a really engaged board. They shared

[5:38:05] the year end the year year end

[5:38:08] financials and um and they recorded it

[5:38:12] um and and they reported that they were

[5:38:16] um in the in the green for that they had

[5:38:18] a surplus for the first time

[5:38:21] and the or cheered and I got kind of

[5:38:24] like I was kind of like taking a bath

[5:38:26] because they were just like it was so

[5:38:28] cool. um uh they talked about budget

[5:38:33] changes from last year are a lot more

[5:38:35] reasonable again because of the new

[5:38:36] leadership. So um they um they're more

[5:38:41] feasible. Uh previously they budgeted

[5:38:43] for 60 to 70% occupancy.

[5:38:47] Um they're being more intentional in

[5:38:50] their budgeting. They missed the revenue

[5:38:52] mark in the past by 300 to $600,000.

[5:38:56] Um they're building contingencies in the

[5:38:58] budget to mitigate when needed. Um

[5:39:01] morale [clears throat] is up because of

[5:39:03] the um they're not missing the budget

[5:39:06] mark and um

[5:39:09] uh we talked about the U or well um you

[5:39:12] know the U is is working to help um help

[5:39:16] them with their debt.

[5:39:20] um you know their advertising one of

[5:39:23] their weaknesses is their advertising

[5:39:24] budget small and it doesn't allow them

[5:39:26] to reach the entire um Salt Lake Valley.

[5:39:30] So they um but they but they do student

[5:39:33] matineese and they're reaching more

[5:39:34] areas including Granite District um

[5:39:40] uh opportunities. They have a 1.2

[5:39:43] million challenge grant campaign

[5:39:45] happening right now. They are going to

[5:39:47] be announcing what they call a sparkle

[5:39:49] production that it will be a a

[5:39:53] [clears throat] a rain maker for them.

[5:39:54] Um it it will be their main production

[5:39:57] and they're going to announce that I

[5:39:58] think next week. M

[5:40:00] >> um they are doing more um you they have

[5:40:04] 14 in uh U of department of theater

[5:40:08] interns uh this season

[5:40:11] nine last season

[5:40:13] and they're very aware of tier one

[5:40:15] competition. They were really they spent

[5:40:18] a ton of time with me and they ask

[5:40:21] everyone here for grace. [laughter]

[5:40:26] >> Thank you.

[5:40:29] Uh so

[5:40:32] not so long ago they opened up yet

[5:40:34] another theater and so the question

[5:40:37] becomes how can they justify having two

[5:40:39] theaters when even then

[5:40:41] >> I had financial challenges.

[5:40:43] >> So it's the department of theater that

[5:40:45] runs the Meldrum Theater and it is the

[5:40:48] former um

[5:40:51] fieldhouse

[5:40:52] >> field house. Um, so they pay $1 in rent

[5:40:57] annually to use the Meldram Theater.

[5:41:00] >> Oh,

[5:41:00] >> and it allows them to do more um

[5:41:02] experimental works. Um,

[5:41:05] >> I did see a performance there. It's a

[5:41:06] theater in the round, so

[5:41:08] >> it's different and more um edgy and his

[5:41:12] um innovative works. Uh they had,

[5:41:17] you may have seen in the news that they

[5:41:19] had a um sprinkler uh fire sprinklers

[5:41:23] went off um in PTC last week and

[5:41:28] >> Belgium or the other

[5:41:29] >> the other one. [clears throat]

[5:41:30] >> Oh, even the one downstairs, the um

[5:41:33] Babcock.

[5:41:34] >> Oh,

[5:41:35] >> so it flooded the pit the theater and

[5:41:39] it's a nightmare. [clears throat]

[5:41:40] And um they are moving their first

[5:41:44] production of the season to Westminster.

[5:41:47] They got it l like lined up in two days.

[5:41:50] >> They they found [clears throat]

[5:41:52] >> but that's that's owned by the youth,

[5:41:55] right? Are they leasing that from the

[5:41:59] >> both theaters are the U's, right?

[5:42:00] >> They're both they both are

[5:42:03] >> you insurance everything.

[5:42:05] >> Yeah. So they So I guess what you're

[5:42:07] saying Heidi is they don't really have

[5:42:09] an operating expense necessarily

[5:42:11] associated with the Meldram theater.

[5:42:12] >> Correct.

[5:42:13] >> Okay.

[5:42:13] >> Yeah.

[5:42:16] >> Um anyway any

[5:42:19] >> what was your score?

[5:42:22] >> 15.

[5:42:25] >> Okay.

[5:42:26] >> They ever done any like

[5:42:28] >> because of the upward trend

[5:42:29] >> the outreach. Have they ever done any

[5:42:32] I'm I'm trying to think if they ever

[5:42:33] done other than having the kids come

[5:42:35] there. Have they done a youth outreach

[5:42:38] of any kind?

[5:42:40] >> Um,

[5:42:44] » Westminster.

[5:42:45] >> Yeah. Um,

[5:42:46] >> I mean, it's like

[5:42:48] they do Boys and Girls Club tickets.

[5:42:51] >> Um,

[5:42:51] >> but they're all on site, right?

[5:42:54] >> They're all bring

[5:42:58] outreach.

[5:42:59] >> Yeah.

[5:43:00] >> Be hard to redeem those things. Um, I

[5:43:03] love them and I love their upward trend.

[5:43:05] I'm just so I I'm bound by the fact that

[5:43:09] they're just geographically strapped,

[5:43:11] right? And in every way with their

[5:43:13] board, their their performance only

[5:43:16] being in a particular location. For me,

[5:43:18] that's that's the weakness. But I love

[5:43:20] everything they're doing. I went to see

[5:43:23] Come From Away. I thought it was

[5:43:24] fabulous. I actually went twice in one

[5:43:26] week because after I went the first

[5:43:28] time, I wanted a friend to go with me a

[5:43:30] second time because I needed her to see

[5:43:31] it. I thought they did a great job

[5:43:34] talking about Zap. Great job getting

[5:43:35] their audience enthusiastic about

[5:43:38] becoming subscription holders.

[5:43:41] The quality of the show was so good. The

[5:43:44] friend who saw it in Broadway and went

[5:43:45] with to that production thought that one

[5:43:47] was better. They're so high caliber and

[5:43:50] like you said, the vision and the

[5:43:51] leadership now. there is an absolute

[5:43:54] shift. I just we need to be able to get

[5:43:58] them to access the rest of the county

[5:44:01] and and some other ways for me to score

[5:44:03] them higher. But I do love the direction

[5:44:06] they're going and I love how you spoke

[5:44:07] about them, Heidi, because that's it's

[5:44:10] really exciting to see you as an

[5:44:11] advocate for them. You gave us a lot of

[5:44:14] good info.

[5:44:15] >> Thank you, Heidi. They also just as a

[5:44:16] reminder they're one of the only I mean

[5:44:18] other ones we met with right the four in

[5:44:21] caution letter three warning letters

[5:44:23] >> they did take my advice which was nice

[5:44:24] which was like you have these issues

[5:44:26] with the board having this co not loving

[5:44:29] co in there and he did write the letter

[5:44:31] he did write a special letter for y'all

[5:44:33] CEO letter that's in there I don't think

[5:44:35] anyone else did made that effort to

[5:44:37] write a letter to say I'm directly

[5:44:38] addressing to you the best way that I

[5:44:40] know how to thought that was pretty

[5:44:42] moving that is an operational thing not just the money thing but it's a

[5:44:46] person in our community trying to run

[5:44:48] something new,

[5:44:50] >> I felt like it was a really it's more

[5:44:52] than a gesture.

[5:44:53] >> Yeah.

[5:44:53] >> I feel like compared to when he came and

[5:44:55] met with us too he had these plans,

[5:44:58] right? We all met with him and a lot of

[5:45:01] them seemed like I was a little unsure.

[5:45:03] So to hear Heidi say, "Hey, if it's it

[5:45:05] looks like it's starting to work and

[5:45:07] maybe pick up momentum of what they have

[5:45:09] envisioned, I wasn't sure coming in with

[5:45:12] this because he kind of revamped it. I

[5:45:14] feel like he kind of just trying to

[5:45:16] start from scratch.

[5:45:18] >> Not really.

[5:45:20] >> Maybe there comments or score changes or

[5:45:23] >> John Doctor is the villain is their

[5:45:26] upcoming production that has shifted to

[5:45:29] the Westminster and it um premiered on

[5:45:32] Broadway a couple years ago. It's a new

[5:45:35] take on Arthur Miller's The Crucible and

[5:45:40] it looks so good.

[5:45:41] >> Oh, I'm excited.

[5:45:44] Thanks.

[5:45:44] >> Go ahead and make those changes.

[5:45:46] >> So like acting company next.

[5:45:49] >> That's neat.

[5:45:54] » All right, let me put my notes here.

[5:45:57] Sorry, I was just

[5:46:00] Okay. Salt Lake Act.

[5:46:03] Um they

[5:46:05] for being so small, I feel like they

[5:46:07] packed a big punch at least for me when

[5:46:09] I met with them, when I met with their

[5:46:11] board. Um, I did attend their board

[5:46:13] meeting virtually. I got sick and had to

[5:46:17] do it on online. But um, and I also went

[5:46:20] to one of their um, performances which

[5:46:23] kind of sealed the deal for me because I

[5:46:24] was like, "Wow, you guys really

[5:46:27] >> you put on high quality show that's

[5:46:30] unique. It's creative. It's locally um,

[5:46:35] it was locally written. I guess I

[5:46:38] produced written uh local actors and it

[5:46:41] was hilarious. It was so funny. I did go

[5:46:44] a second time just on my own. I took

[5:46:46] some friends with me. I was really

[5:46:48] impressed with the quality of the show

[5:46:50] that they produce for the small staff

[5:46:53] that they have, if that makes sense.

[5:46:55] They have not a very big staff, but yet

[5:46:57] they're putting on this high quality

[5:47:00] program. Um I feel like their niche, so

[5:47:02] to speak, is kind of a certain

[5:47:05] demographic. It's definitely more for

[5:47:06] adults. They do have their children

[5:47:07] programming that they do. They invited

[5:47:10] me to come check that out. That one's

[5:47:12] supposed to be really fun. Um, they are

[5:47:14] very handson with their patrons and I

[5:47:17] was really impressed. Even when I went

[5:47:19] and then I went kind of a second time,

[5:47:20] it wasn't just me. Oh, she's a board

[5:47:22] member. Let's make her feel really

[5:47:23] included. They add that personal touch

[5:47:26] to greet everybody. And especially with

[5:47:28] their subscribers that come back again,

[5:47:30] they're not just saying, "Hey, how's it

[5:47:31] going?" and they're remembering um

[5:47:34] specific details about that um

[5:47:36] individual and that person. Um so I

[5:47:39] really thought that that was kind of

[5:47:41] different from other organizations. They

[5:47:43] also offer the opportunity for their

[5:47:46] subscribers to I thought this was really unique because I go to a lot of

[5:47:51] events. If you can't make an event or

[5:47:53] something comes up in your life, you are

[5:47:55] welcome to change your ticket to another

[5:47:58] date that works for you as many times as

[5:48:00] you would like. That is unheard of.

[5:48:03] >> They handle their own box office.

[5:48:05] Pardon?

[5:48:05] >> And they handle their own box office.

[5:48:06] >> They do their own box office. Yes. And

[5:48:08] so that was very um unique to them. They

[5:48:12] uh

[5:48:14] >> also a very unique venue, too.

[5:48:15] >> They are that I was so impressed with

[5:48:17] it. Yeah. The venue it's it's very

[5:48:19] small. It's very intimate, but it works

[5:48:22] really well for what they uh put on. And

[5:48:24] they have the the different spaces kind

[5:48:26] of allocated for like workshops and this

[5:48:28] that and the other. And I feel like

[5:48:30] they're slowly coming back from those co

[5:48:32] numbers trying to get subscribers.

[5:48:33] They're really

[5:48:35] comedic and really funny about the way

[5:48:37] they do them kind of in in the shows as

[5:48:39] well. So, I was really impressed. They

[5:48:43] um they have a few neurodyiverse people

[5:48:46] that they hire and stuff like that. So,

[5:48:47] I was I was I don't know just really

[5:48:50] impressed with how they put that

[5:48:52] personal touch and make everybody feel

[5:48:54] included and just it's like feels like a

[5:48:56] very self a safe space, very welcoming

[5:48:58] space. Um with their board meeting,

[5:49:01] their board is very engaged. They were

[5:49:03] focused on a particular fundraiser

[5:49:05] coming up. Uh board members are

[5:49:07] providing items to auction off and

[5:49:10] working very collaboratively, very like

[5:49:13] together, very hands-on. I did notice

[5:49:15] that a lot of their board meetings were

[5:49:16] participating um via Zoom, via online.

[5:49:19] And so that was one of the things and I

[5:49:21] kind of put it as a weakness um that she

[5:49:24] thought maybe that they were going to

[5:49:25] start discussing is maybe requiring a

[5:49:27] minimum number of like you have to at

[5:49:30] least attend, you know, this many board

[5:49:32] meetings in person. Um but I also think

[5:49:34] it was unique and nice because if you

[5:49:36] can't make the meeting, at least you're

[5:49:38] there virtually. You know, when I

[5:49:39] attended a one of my other

[5:49:41] organizations, they had board members

[5:49:42] who were not available because they were

[5:49:44] working on projects. It would have been

[5:49:45] nice to have their perspective or at

[5:49:48] least listen in what they had to say.

[5:49:51] So, sorry.

[5:49:55] >> Does their does their board uh require

[5:49:58] contributions?

[5:50:00] >> So, they can do like inind type things.

[5:50:03] So, whatever you

[5:50:05] can give. So they had a board member who

[5:50:07] said, "Okay, I've got a condo or I can't

[5:50:09] remember what it was." And so he was

[5:50:11] donating that part and then he was

[5:50:13] working with a friend that works at

[5:50:14] Delta to secure like airline tickets to

[5:50:17] be able to auction them up. So it's kind

[5:50:19] of those types of um or services that

[5:50:22] they you do community outreach or you

[5:50:25] specialize in.

[5:50:27] >> How many board members they have? Um,

[5:50:33] » I'm not person that remembers very well.

[5:50:36] So, I can pull up the application real

[5:50:37] quick.

[5:50:38] >> That's it.

[5:50:39] >> Board member 17,

[5:50:41] >> but they only have half the district

[5:50:43] covered. Okay.

[5:50:44] >> Yeah, they are. [clears throat] Yeah,

[5:50:46] their location is is Yeah. space for

[5:50:50] sure.

[5:50:51] >> Yeah. I I always say they celebrate the

[5:50:54] unwanted, right? They really really do

[5:50:57] look at how to be as inclusionary as

[5:51:00] possible and they use whatever resource

[5:51:02] they they're very generous with whatever

[5:51:04] resource they have. Like when we went to

[5:51:06] Utah presents last night, the theater

[5:51:09] group that was performing actually had

[5:51:12] run their script through at Salt Lake

[5:51:14] Acting Company, right? So they also make

[5:51:16] themselves available. I would like to

[5:51:18] see more opportunity for them to

[5:51:20] infiltrate more districts again and more

[5:51:22] representation, but they they will

[5:51:25] address all marginalized communities.

[5:51:28] They address financial barriers. They

[5:51:31] >> and they give a creative outlet for

[5:51:33] people to create things to those those

[5:51:36] uh audiences.

[5:51:37] >> So shows that would never be seen.

[5:51:40] >> You won't see that in the main

[5:51:41] >> and they work with you. They just

[5:51:42] provide the tools. Oh, I want to be a

[5:51:45] playwright. I have sister-in-law rights.

[5:51:47] They give you the like the direction,

[5:51:49] the tools, the road mapap, and I thought

[5:51:50] that was

[5:51:51] >> nice.

[5:51:52] >> What did you score?

[5:51:53] >> I scored them a 12.

[5:51:57] >> It's another one that's exciting to see

[5:51:59] the board member so excited about doing

[5:52:00] their interview presentation.

[5:52:02] >> That's awesome.

[5:52:04] >> Any adjustments or any other comments?

[5:52:06] >> Oh, by the way, you should go check out

[5:52:07] one of their shows if you haven't

[5:52:08] already.

[5:52:10] >> I went to the summer show. I love to

[5:52:11] always go to the summer show because

[5:52:12] it's their political show.

[5:52:14] >> You guys went to the same one. say what

[5:52:16] it is.

[5:52:16] >> You went too. You went the day after me.

[5:52:18] >> Did you? Did you go to that?

[5:52:19] >> I had tickets

[5:52:21] >> and it didn't look my calendar. So, I

[5:52:23] was an apology to them.

[5:52:26] >> I told the whole thing like I just went

[5:52:27] and it was like two or three days later

[5:52:29] afterwards before I even wrote

[5:52:32] >> that was

[5:52:32] >> I wrote them. No, I was wrong. I was the

[5:52:35] people that I took by the way fest. I

[5:52:37] mix those two up on my calendar.

[5:52:41] I just

[5:52:42] >> Dustin was like, "You're not going

[5:52:45] to the DIY."

[5:52:47] And then plans and like the whole thing

[5:52:49] cuz now I'm taking my kids and it's

[5:52:51] earlier in the day versus night.

[5:52:53] >> So we have we have five left.

[5:52:57] >> Sorry. I know. I tried to I

[5:53:01] fine.

[5:53:03] >> That's fine.

[5:53:03] >> Are all adjustments made for the solid

[5:53:05] acting company? Yeah.

[5:53:07] >> I would suggest we keep going because

[5:53:09] >> Is everyone okay to keep going with your

[5:53:11] brain? Like are we okay to keep going?

[5:53:13] >> Yeah.

[5:53:13] >> Are you sure? And how many left? Oh, one

[5:53:17] >> five.

[5:53:18] >> We got about an hour.

[5:53:21] >> So Utah Arts Alliance is next.

[5:53:23] >> Yeah, that's me.

[5:53:25] >> Um, is everybody ready?

[5:53:27] >> Yeah.

[5:53:27] >> Okay. So, Utah Arts Alliance, again, we

[5:53:29] had big red flags on last year. Um, and

[5:53:33] so I try to address every one of those

[5:53:35] red flags as I remember them from last

[5:53:38] year. I have to say they have again um

[5:53:41] been so receptive and kind and providing

[5:53:43] everything that possibly could be

[5:53:45] provided. I visited multiple sites, went

[5:53:47] to their board meeting, continued

[5:53:50] follow-up conversations and

[5:53:51] documentation with Derek. And um the

[5:53:54] thing about Utah Arts Alliance is they

[5:53:57] also are one of those uh organizations

[5:54:00] that I believe that they feel equally

[5:54:02] responsible to supporting artists as

[5:54:04] they do in serving the community. And so

[5:54:06] they're always trying to bridge um those

[5:54:10] two main philosophies. Um the hard thing

[5:54:13] for them is that yeah they have all

[5:54:15] these physical locations and those

[5:54:18] physical locations are typically

[5:54:20] supported in $1.5 million in kind rent

[5:54:24] paid for. And so last year our biggest

[5:54:27] conversation was well my gosh why did

[5:54:29] the executive director make an $85,000

[5:54:32] loan to the organization? That was all

[5:54:35] vetted out with me over the fact that

[5:54:37] Dreamscapes had been down in South Town.

[5:54:42] Their lease got, you know, sort of

[5:54:44] revoked. They got kicked out. They

[5:54:46] needed the emergency money based on

[5:54:49] everything else. That was the most

[5:54:50] opportune way to go. But um Enita was

[5:54:53] with me on this all day visit. We were

[5:54:56] there, I don't know, seven hours or

[5:54:57] something that day. We went everywhere

[5:55:00] um after attending their board meeting.

[5:55:02] But it was really um very reassuring and

[5:55:05] as um Troy pointed out too, they had an

[5:55:08] independent auditor come in and she's

[5:55:10] like, "I only wish every single 501c3

[5:55:13] operated this way with the appropriate

[5:55:15] buckets, with the amount of

[5:55:16] documentation, with the financing." But

[5:55:19] that $1.5 million in in contribution for

[5:55:23] their rental spaces everywhere is

[5:55:26] obviously a tremendous strength, right?

[5:55:28] for you to have that relationship that

[5:55:30] you're getting that kind of money

[5:55:32] donated to you in kind. But they also

[5:55:34] saw the potential risks and the reversal

[5:55:37] on that when they lost their space and

[5:55:40] that one incident threw the entire

[5:55:43] organization into crisis mode right for

[5:55:46] that one year. Um, but I was certainly

[5:55:50] far more impressed with the ability for

[5:55:53] them to keep things accessible, speaking

[5:55:56] to many different communities, bringing

[5:55:58] in a lot of people, whether it's age

[5:56:01] diversity,

[5:56:02] you know, um, ethnic diversity. They

[5:56:06] really respond in a lot of ways to try

[5:56:09] to make the arts accessible for

[5:56:10] everybody. The limitations again come

[5:56:13] for me and the geography of it. It's all

[5:56:16] in Salt Lake City. And even though they

[5:56:19] are addressing maybe communities on the

[5:56:21] west side, we're still not infiltrating

[5:56:24] beyond um those Salt Lake City barriers,

[5:56:28] but I certainly improved their score

[5:56:32] much more this year than I did last

[5:56:34] year. Um it's still not going to be

[5:56:36] outrageous because of the geographic

[5:56:39] limitations. Um I gave them um an 11.

[5:56:44] Um, but I do feel that they did a

[5:56:47] they're really proving their worth the

[5:56:49] arts castle. If you have questions about

[5:56:51] it, I can definitely answer I know the

[5:56:53] whole depth about the arts castle

[5:56:56] project if that's a question to you, but

[5:56:58] you might have other comments.

[5:57:00] >> Is that the one that has got the radio

[5:57:02] station and make Salt Lake moved into it

[5:57:04] now and they're all together?

[5:57:06] >> Yes. Yes. And so the the purchase of

[5:57:09] that property is being finalized this

[5:57:11] year. They still owe another $1.5

[5:57:14] million on it. Um they've um they have

[5:57:17] partnerships with Salt Lake County and

[5:57:19] maybe selling some of the open space.

[5:57:22] They have programs already designated

[5:57:24] for veterans, for example, to come in

[5:57:26] and do art therapy programs. They've

[5:57:27] been given a grant through the VA to

[5:57:29] support the the that veterans program.

[5:57:32] Um I'm trying to remember the other one.

[5:57:34] They are really very masterful at

[5:57:38] building partnerships that are

[5:57:40] reciprocal.

[5:57:42] I mean like it's one thing to say that

[5:57:44] you're partnering but a lot of times

[5:57:46] those partnerships are not very

[5:57:48] equivalent and who's giving and who's

[5:57:49] getting but they do tend to get quite a

[5:57:53] lot out of creative. Yes. created and a

[5:57:56] lot out of

[5:57:57] >> I always thought they had all these

[5:58:00] disperate not well lots of different

[5:58:03] organizations lots of different brands

[5:58:06] and it's it's it's kind of a puzzled

[5:58:08] collective of artistic endeavors and I I

[5:58:12] wasn't sure I'm still not sure from what

[5:58:15] you're saying there's a cohesive

[5:58:16] strategy to link them all together which

[5:58:18] gets them into all these financial

[5:58:20] iterations of you know spending money

[5:58:23] here to cover this and so on

[5:58:26] So, I'm a little confused.

[5:58:27] >> I I did have all those same concerns

[5:58:29] until this board meeting and that

[5:58:32] auditor and seeing where they're headed.

[5:58:34] I do I still do feel that they're at

[5:58:37] risk based on some of those inind

[5:58:41] donations that come in because we see

[5:58:42] how quickly that could flip-flop on

[5:58:45] them. Um, but they are very healthy

[5:58:48] financially. Um, and I do think it's the

[5:58:51] longevity of the executive director, the

[5:58:54] very engaged board and what again what

[5:58:57] they do so successfully is there are

[5:58:59] thousands of volunteers and they invest

[5:59:02] in their volunteer management program.

[5:59:05] So the way they recruit, train, and

[5:59:07] utilize volunteers. Um, it's a a weird

[5:59:10] little symphony that if you don't get

[5:59:13] the insider view, it definitely freaks

[5:59:17] you out. It still makes me a little

[5:59:19] unstable. I will say like I still

[5:59:22] >> from the outside looking in I thought

[5:59:24] gosh they're spread thin and their

[5:59:26] mission is broad.

[5:59:27] >> Yes.

[5:59:28] >> The nature of what they do is broad

[5:59:31] >> but I worried that it wasn't defined.

[5:59:33] >> I'm like I mean we I've been here for 5

[5:59:35] years and I still don't know what all

[5:59:36] those logos go to. That's an issue. You

[5:59:38] shouldn't have to have an insider

[5:59:39] review. This is supposed to be publicly

[5:59:41] available. So I think that's one thing.

[5:59:42] The thing is the leader

[5:59:43] >> she is a symphony. I saw it as juggling

[5:59:46] too too many.

[5:59:48] >> From an outside point of view, I think

[5:59:50] it's an issue. I also think that it's

[5:59:51] all based on one human.

[5:59:53] >> Yeah, that's the other Derek is it

[5:59:55] >> he's the catalyst for all the catalyst

[5:59:57] who succeeds him.

[5:59:58] >> There are Well, I mean, yeah, there are

[6:00:02] a couple of board members. You do have a

[6:00:04] couple of other people who've been

[6:00:06] employees there before, but yeah, he is

[6:00:08] definitely the main show. No different

[6:00:10] than Gretchen at, right? there's like we

[6:00:12] do have a lot of organizations that that

[6:00:15] institutional knowledge is

[6:00:18] >> primarily in one person. So yeah, that's

[6:00:21] why they're not

[6:00:22] >> succession planning or strategic

[6:00:23] planning around that those kinds of

[6:00:24] things like leadership.

[6:00:25] >> I think that they didn't I I don't think

[6:00:28] they were an organization that was

[6:00:29] missing a strategic plan. I do think Oh,

[6:00:31] no. They have a good strategic plan I I

[6:00:34] felt was was very solid. But succession

[6:00:36] planning I felt that they do rely back

[6:00:39] on their board primarily and felt that

[6:00:41] there would be that they have everything

[6:00:44] well documented that things are Yeah.

[6:00:47] >> What was your score?

[6:00:49] >> I gave them um an 11.

[6:00:51] >> Okay.

[6:00:52] >> What was Rita's score since she was like

[6:00:55] shadowing you?

[6:00:56] >> Yeah. [laughter] What was your score?

[6:00:57] >> Did you copy Lynette? I I was a 10 just

[6:01:00] because of the internal operational

[6:01:03] complexity of it

[6:01:05] >> and I think again because I asked for so

[6:01:08] I mean if you saw the pages and pages of

[6:01:10] things that they had to produce for me

[6:01:11] after that that provided me more

[6:01:14] security um that's how I got up to the

[6:01:17] 11 but I am definitely concerned about

[6:01:20] the geographical reach and

[6:01:22] >> the six of darings

[6:01:24] >> all the but things that came up like the

[6:01:27] urbans art gallery, the program that

[6:01:29] they do for new artists every month and

[6:01:31] the there were so what makes them

[6:01:35] vulnerable is also their strength,

[6:01:37] right? Um and so but they're also very

[6:01:40] inter interrelated like

[6:01:44] there's something about it economically

[6:01:46] that they're depending on all these

[6:01:48] things to keep them going. Yeah.

[6:01:50] >> It's like a juggling act and you think

[6:01:52] that one ball's going to fall, the whole

[6:01:54] thing is going to be the Lincoln locks

[6:01:56] are going to break apart.

[6:01:57] >> It is. But that independent auditor, I'm

[6:01:59] telling you, she was very convincing

[6:02:01] because I've sat in I can't tell you how

[6:02:04] many dozens if not hundreds of board

[6:02:08] meetings and I've never seen an auditor

[6:02:10] feel more confident that their auditing

[6:02:13] practices were secure. And again, this

[6:02:16] was one person's opinion, but I found

[6:02:18] her credible. She was providing the

[6:02:19] right information.

[6:02:20] >> It sounds like they made good

[6:02:21] improvements since last year. Yeah, but

[6:02:23] it did sound like you had to do a lot of

[6:02:25] digging to get some basic answers.

[6:02:27] >> And I went to the festival um and of

[6:02:30] course got rained out this weekend,

[6:02:33] >> but all of the things that concerned me

[6:02:35] were evident. Eric respon Derek

[6:02:38] responded as soon as I I posted about

[6:02:41] it. Thank you. But at the same time,

[6:02:44] being there and seeing how there was not

[6:02:47] enough backup. He he wasn't there

[6:02:49] because he was dealing with crisis

[6:02:51] operation. But it that was just the

[6:02:54] juggling and when you're in the middle

[6:02:56] of juggling.

[6:02:57] >> Yeah.

[6:02:57] >> It doesn't matter what your finances are

[6:02:59] if staff capacity and things it can all

[6:03:02] they can all fall.

[6:03:04] >> Absolutely. And that's where having that

[6:03:05] experience

[6:03:06] >> with them. Yeah.

[6:03:07] >> Right. We have another festival that

[6:03:08] we're like

[6:03:10] >> once we show up how many people Yeah.

[6:03:12] >> Yeah.

[6:03:13] >> Okay. So I think uh Utah Arts Festival's

[6:03:15] next on deck for the second one for

[6:03:17] multi Amanda

[6:03:20] change some

[6:03:21] >> Oh yeah. Did anyone change their scores?

[6:03:22] We need to look at that for

[6:03:24] >> I

[6:03:26] know.

[6:03:27] >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you Rita and for

[6:03:31] that. Appreciate that. Um Utah Arts

[6:03:34] Festival. That's me. So actually this is

[6:03:37] another one. second time.

[6:03:40] I think there's a couple I

[6:03:41] >> there's only 22 applicants in fair

[6:03:44] [laughter]

[6:03:45] and you're there for six years getting

[6:03:47] four years.

[6:03:48] >> That's when you know your time is up.

[6:03:50] [laughter]

[6:03:51] Do the math.

[6:03:53] >> So yes. So I

[6:03:57] um just there were a number of issues I

[6:04:01] think four years ago when I did this.

[6:04:03] There were issues last year. Uh I think

[6:04:05] we talked about some of the

[6:04:06] environmental things of it.

[6:04:09] >> I went uh and I took my wife this time

[6:04:12] too. So I actually spent two days there.

[6:04:16] >> Oh.

[6:04:16] >> Which was a surprise because I've been

[6:04:18] before and I usually couldn't I couldn't

[6:04:20] tolerate it because it was so hot.

[6:04:23] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[6:04:24] >> You know, so hot. But but it was so

[6:04:26] intriguing the performances that I did

[6:04:28] meet um the executive uh Amy and uh a

[6:04:32] couple of the board members. They have

[6:04:35] done a reasonably good job of

[6:04:37] geographic. I think two of the board

[6:04:38] members, one was from Cottonwood Heights

[6:04:40] and and the other one I forgot where

[6:04:42] from, but but um

[6:04:45] as a once a year event, they have

[6:04:48] opportunities and struggles because

[6:04:50] there's the year round awareness of this

[6:04:53] 50-year thing is is hard. Also, you

[6:04:56] know, there's a lot of competition. So,

[6:04:58] I'm agreeing with pretty much here, but

[6:05:00] I'm just highlighting some things.

[6:05:01] There's a lot of competition for events

[6:05:04] and the cultural opportunities in Utah.

[6:05:06] When they started 50 years ago, Salt

[6:05:08] Lake City was it, right? And so, you go

[6:05:11] there. Now, you've got so much

[6:05:13] competition. You've got the Sandy

[6:05:15] Amphitheater, you've got uh Mountain

[6:05:18] America, whatever that is. I mean,

[6:05:20] there's lots of places. So, how do they

[6:05:22] stay relevant? They have they had a

[6:05:24] mixed media arts performance thing going

[6:05:27] on at all these different stages. And I

[6:05:30] thought they did an excellent job. It

[6:05:32] kept me really intrigued. It's still hot

[6:05:35] as hell. Um, I think that they could

[6:05:37] have some fans and some blowers there to

[6:05:39] create some breeze because there was

[6:05:41] zero breeze. Also, public lighting is a

[6:05:44] problem because the bathroom areas were

[6:05:46] in the dark when you're there in the

[6:05:48] evening. There's also the sound stages

[6:05:50] overlap with each other, so you're

[6:05:52] getting all this sound. They've done a

[6:05:54] great job. They collaborated with a lot

[6:05:56] of different organizations. They found

[6:05:58] these like local family groups to do

[6:06:00] musical performances from other parts of

[6:06:02] the county. They collaborate with

[6:06:04] SpyHop. They had the Salt Lake acting

[6:06:06] company there. They had Ry Woodbury.

[6:06:08] They had the different dance groups

[6:06:10] there. And then they had this eclectic

[6:06:12] uh mix of artists and other things. They

[6:06:14] sort of what do you call those scenes?

[6:06:16] Uh

[6:06:18] >> performing artists climbing down the

[6:06:19] side of the library and they

[6:06:21] >> Yeah. Performance artists.

[6:06:22] >> Performance artist.

[6:06:25] It's like so to sole kind of activities,

[6:06:29] >> weird things. You walk around and then

[6:06:30] you come across these weird things and

[6:06:32] there's really nothing else like it

[6:06:34] >> and then the musical bands, you know,

[6:06:36] they had these thematic things and then

[6:06:38] they but they they did a really good

[6:06:40] job. They also point and I was I was

[6:06:43] surprised by the financial health

[6:06:44] because

[6:06:46] they had some financial struggles some

[6:06:48] years ago too with COVID because you

[6:06:50] know basically it's an outdoor event and

[6:06:52] they basically were shut down. um they

[6:06:55] had uh they they said day one they had a

[6:06:59] 60% increase in ticket sales you know

[6:07:02] from the year before and 2025 was an

[6:07:04] increase in ticket sales from the year

[6:07:06] before that so I thought they were

[6:07:07] pretty much up on the upswing in terms

[6:07:09] of now you don't have the results

[6:07:12] >> uh this year's performance I did ask Amy

[6:07:14] you know and the the CFO to send me the

[6:07:17] results because of the subsequent days

[6:07:20] >> they didn't send it to me because I was

[6:07:22] really interested in the metrics was a

[6:07:23] little bit of a ding as far as I'm

[6:07:25] concerned because this is their only

[6:07:27] weekend and I really wanted to see their

[6:07:28] numbers so I could say to them, hey,

[6:07:30] they've really done well now. I hear

[6:07:32] that they're having a, you know,

[6:07:33] financial health, but it's from the year

[6:07:35] or two before. So, I mean, I think

[6:07:37] overall they've made a lot of, you know,

[6:07:39] a lot of strides in their program. Uh, I

[6:07:41] like this ambassador program. So,

[6:07:43] they're trying to go out across the

[6:07:45] whole county to connect. We talked about

[6:07:47] >> Is that actually in operation? I felt

[6:07:49] like it was in development at the time

[6:07:51] of the application. I think they've

[6:07:52] already started it and I you know I

[6:07:54] encourage them to join other arts groups

[6:07:56] or recruit people from other arts boards

[6:07:58] and things like that so that and also

[6:08:01] >> um they're trying to do some more

[6:08:03] marketing for yearround awareness so

[6:08:06] that they retain

[6:08:07] >> so that they retain yeah they do some

[6:08:09] other activities so that that uh people

[6:08:13] don't forget them. They have a lot of

[6:08:15] repeat visitors to it. So, what else

[6:08:18] could I add to this?

[6:08:20] Um,

[6:08:26] » Peter, I know when I met with them, um,

[6:08:28] it was with, uh, Yan, too. Um,

[6:08:33] they were going to work on signage and

[6:08:35] stuff like that within the festival. So,

[6:08:37] that it seemed like there was a little

[6:08:39] bit of when I went um, a few years back,

[6:08:42] there was a little bit of confusion

[6:08:43] about where things were and stuff like

[6:08:45] that. I remember her mentioning that

[6:08:47] when she came that just the signage like

[6:08:49] where's the restrooms, where's the

[6:08:51] >> It's still a little bit difficult

[6:08:52] because I was trying to find water,

[6:08:54] >> hydration centers, not as ubiquitous as

[6:08:57] they ought to be.

[6:08:58] >> Um and uh I think that they could do a

[6:09:02] little bit better. This is their second

[6:09:04] year. They've got tiered pricing so that

[6:09:06] the VIP program was sold out.

[6:09:10] um which was great because it's an

[6:09:12] elevated stage that over you know

[6:09:14] elevated platform that looks into the

[6:09:16] main stage

[6:09:17] >> and you know people are having a great

[6:09:20] time in there. They're willing to pay

[6:09:21] the premium prices and then that helps

[6:09:23] them offset the lower pricing that

[6:09:25] they've got. Um I think you're still

[6:09:27] paying like $15 to $20 but it's a whole

[6:09:29] day and you get you know you hear one

[6:09:32] band after another.

[6:09:33] >> So it's not The other thing too is I

[6:09:35] took public transportation.

[6:09:37] um they have an issue with UTA uh

[6:09:40] coordination.

[6:09:42] >> UTA was doing work on the tracks. So I

[6:09:45] was going from Murray I was going from

[6:09:47] Murray Central. I could not get down

[6:09:48] there. I had to get off the bus and this

[6:09:50] and that. And then from a public safety

[6:09:52] standpoint, they had these juveniles

[6:09:54] just intimidating everybody on the car.

[6:09:57] >> So and you know I I went and spoke to I

[6:10:00] went and spoke to the workers there.

[6:10:02] They said basically there's nothing we

[6:10:03] can do. So, you know, access and there's

[6:10:05] no parking down there around the arts

[6:10:07] festival.

[6:10:08] >> So, that's another issue. You know, the

[6:10:10] only way you really really want to go is

[6:10:11] through public transportation. And I

[6:10:13] said that was fairly intimidating to to

[6:10:15] deal with that,

[6:10:17] >> you know. So,

[6:10:18] >> what score did you give it?

[6:10:20] >> What was your

[6:10:28] » 12?

[6:10:29] >> Anybody else have comments? So, I went

[6:10:31] this year on Sunday morning. I was

[6:10:34] disappointed.

[6:10:35] >> Yeah.

[6:10:38] >> I've never found water. There were signs

[6:10:40] for it everywhere.

[6:10:42] Um,

[6:10:43] >> it wasn't where they were supposed to

[6:10:44] be.

[6:10:44] >> I never found any. Actually, never saw

[6:10:45] it.

[6:10:46] >> Wow.

[6:10:47] >> Um, I if you're not into the bands,

[6:10:49] there's not much going on since 10 to

[6:10:51] noon or noon to 2. I can't which what it

[6:10:53] was, but basically didn't open I stayed

[6:10:54] for a couple hours. Um, if you weren't

[6:10:57] into the few bands or like little small

[6:10:59] like poetry things or whatever they were

[6:11:01] doing, there was only like a few of them

[6:11:02] going. If you weren't into those, there

[6:11:04] was nothing else to do there.

[6:11:05] >> This is on Sunday. You

[6:11:07] >> This was Sunday. Um, you can walk around

[6:11:09] and look at the art, but it's too

[6:11:11] costly.

[6:11:12] >> And I make it I don't make a horrible

[6:11:13] paycheck. I don't make a great paycheck.

[6:11:15] >> These are the vendors you went to work.

[6:11:16] >> And then it's like the vendors are

[6:11:19] supposed to be an art festival. There's

[6:11:21] a space for lots of space for vendors,

[6:11:23] but their spaces are so small that you

[6:11:25] don't feel like you can go in and look

[6:11:27] at the items. You have to do it from the

[6:11:29] outside because you're blocking someone.

[6:11:32] I didn't understand the vendor flow. I

[6:11:34] didn't know if it was like sculpturing

[6:11:36] separate from the

[6:11:37] >> Well, yeah. I was thinking like even in

[6:11:39] the vendors for the So like was it this

[6:11:42] type of art or this type of art? Was it

[6:11:43] youth art? Was it pottery? I I could not

[6:11:46] figure it out

[6:11:48] >> anywhere. And then when I crossed the

[6:11:50] street to go to uh over by the library

[6:11:52] side, um it was just this line. It was

[6:11:56] like dead and like it just the flow was

[6:11:58] not good. Signage looked like it had

[6:12:00] been for multiple years of regeneration.

[6:12:02] So it was like almost like three three

[6:12:04] colors or brands or fonts were there.

[6:12:05] And so I was like, okay, is this signage

[6:12:09] like supposed to be for here or is this

[6:12:11] the construction signage? So like they

[6:12:13] had signs about something about

[6:12:14] Leonardo. And I was like, I don't I

[6:12:16] don't really know what that means. So, I

[6:12:18] didn't think like like the safety unit

[6:12:19] or anything, but I have to I'd be honest

[6:12:22] I I haven't been in a long time. I I was

[6:12:24] just like um I did not think the name

[6:12:29] was representative. I struggled. I

[6:12:30] almost like because I was just like,

[6:12:32] >> "Oh, wow.

[6:12:33] >> It's this is this so the the gentleman

[6:12:36] who started it is um Mayor Wilson's dad,

[6:12:40] >> right? He was the mayor of Salt Lake

[6:12:41] City. He was a mentor for a long time

[6:12:43] when I was at Governor's Mansion when I

[6:12:44] was with Andre at Governor's Mansion.

[6:12:47] >> Sorry man M mansion governor's office.

[6:12:49] >> Um he was a mentor for me

[6:12:51] >> and he's in a great humans and to it was

[6:12:54] really hard to to take him. Anyway,

[6:12:55] that's personal story but okay.

[6:12:56] >> Wow.

[6:12:57] >> So the other thing I thought was that I

[6:12:59] haven't never been to DIY fest right and

[6:13:01] that's that's um

[6:13:03] >> Craft Lake City.

[6:13:04] >> Yeah.

[6:13:05] >> Hated this

[6:13:06] >> was an art fest. I don't know if you've

[6:13:08] been. Mhm. [clears throat]

[6:13:10] >> My mom went

[6:13:12] >> crazy

[6:13:12] >> festival.

[6:13:14] >> Really?

[6:13:14] >> Our grantees were there.

[6:13:18] >> DIY fest.

[6:13:22] » It was everything was free and

[6:13:25] everything was interactive

[6:13:27] >> and all the booths were so organized by

[6:13:30] things,

[6:13:31] >> wide spaces, um, uh, things you could

[6:13:35] afford. like people had shopping bags.

[6:13:38] Uh we're at arts festival. No one had

[6:13:39] anything had shopping bags. I I was

[6:13:41] blown away. Uh

[6:13:43] >> I had to write them an email right away

[6:13:45] when I got in because I was so pleased

[6:13:46] with it. So for me and and I know I'm

[6:13:49] not a voting board member, but I felt

[6:13:51] >> Where was that base?

[6:13:53] >> It was at uh the state fair.

[6:13:55] >> Yeah.

[6:13:55] >> And they had every age demographic was

[6:13:57] identified. Um, again, I was blown away.

[6:14:00] The amount of free things and the amount

[6:14:01] of interaction there was was you didn't

[6:14:03] buy a damn thing and you could spend.

[6:14:05] >> Did anybody else go to the arts festival

[6:14:06] this year?

[6:14:08] >> I just went

[6:14:10] last year and it was family.

[6:14:12] >> I did not.

[6:14:13] >> It had always been a family thing, but

[6:14:15] the cost and the offerings were just

[6:14:19] prohibitive. We just decided not to.

[6:14:22] Like I can compare and I know we're out

[6:14:24] of time but we had the Westside Culture

[6:14:26] Fest here just a week and a half ago and

[6:14:29] I can tell you the people who came to

[6:14:30] that Westside Culture Fest were in love with what happened here because

[6:14:36] all the vendors would actually say my

[6:14:39] like art $5 to $50. So people knew that

[6:14:42] they could walk in and get something for

[6:14:44] $5 to $50. They um so many of the

[6:14:47] vendors this was their first year. It's

[6:14:49] been here three years now, I believe.

[6:14:51] And they're like, I'm coming back. This

[6:14:52] is great.

[6:14:53] >> I admit, I didn't really think about

[6:14:54] that, but all their all everything they

[6:14:56] sold there at the festival was

[6:14:57] expensive.

[6:14:58] >> Yes. And so people here were like, oh my

[6:15:01] gosh, I could go to an arts festival

[6:15:03] that's free. All three stages are going

[6:15:05] at all the time, right? All these really

[6:15:07] cool things from 4:30 to 10:30. and

[6:15:11] Friday night because there was a huge

[6:15:13] storm expected to be right over here

[6:15:15] about six o'clock only like people my

[6:15:17] age were tending to brave it but we all

[6:15:19] showed up and I swear I was telling

[6:15:21] Kelsey I think their Friday night needs

[6:15:23] to be an adults only from like 7:30 to

[6:15:26] 10:30 because we were all having the

[6:15:29] time of our lives here and to have

[6:15:31] something that's not only family centric

[6:15:34] right like Saturday can be your family

[6:15:35] day but to have a place for adults so

[6:15:37] talking to people like 20 to 30 on

[6:15:40] things were here with their parents on

[6:15:42] date nights, right? Like the daughter

[6:15:44] and son-in-law and the parents and they

[6:15:46] were like, "This is the best. It is

[6:15:48] free. It's in our neighborhood. We had a

[6:15:51] great representation of local artists

[6:15:54] selling things that we could afford. We

[6:15:55] could walk away with something and

[6:15:58] having met the artist

[6:15:59] >> and the grantees I think were here and

[6:16:01] granties were at the DIY." That was

[6:16:03] really cool to see. They're bringing

[6:16:04] their own community. I know we have to

[6:16:05] get on. I didn't get a personal I

[6:16:07] apologize for that. Does anybody want to

[6:16:08] make adjustments for the Utah Arts

[6:16:10] Festival? Um, do we want to bring her

[6:16:12] in? But just go ahead and let's

[6:16:14] >> make your score.

[6:16:17] Did you say Peter?

[6:16:18] >> I said 12.

[6:16:20] [clears throat]

[6:16:21] >> Go ahead and make your adjustments.

[6:16:25] Um, and the next one

[6:16:27] >> exciting for Rita. Look at her. She

[6:16:29] can't wait to get

[6:16:30] >> Utah presents. And that's Rita.

[6:16:33] >> Yes. And I

[6:16:37] I'm still thinking my score. I have 14,

[6:16:40] but because of some recent thoughts

[6:16:43] since since Yeah. So, Utah presents uh

[6:16:48] they I I love their main thing is that

[6:16:51] they are risktakers and in this

[6:16:53] community I see that as an exceptional

[6:16:56] contribution. the kind of programming,

[6:16:58] the kinds of of things that they're

[6:17:00] doing and presenting. Um, their stage

[6:17:03] door series, which we attended, occurs

[6:17:06] on the stage. It's very innovative and

[6:17:09] fun. Their staff, when I went to the

[6:17:11] board, we all of their staff members and

[6:17:13] board members came up and wanted to chat

[6:17:16] with me. They were very open. They were

[6:17:19] joyous and excited about what they were

[6:17:22] doing. And for me, that was different.

[6:17:24] it came through in their application as

[6:17:26] well that I could just sense they're

[6:17:29] really committed. It was fresh. It was

[6:17:30] new where some I had seen again just

[6:17:33] copied and pasted from last time. Um

[6:17:37] they are doing all kinds of programming.

[6:17:41] The concern is again what are they doing

[6:17:43] out in the community and we've talked

[6:17:46] about that and they're looking for ways

[6:17:48] to get get their programming out which

[6:17:51] they're doing. But the way that they're

[6:17:53] bringing students in and the busing is

[6:17:55] huge for me that they went out. They got

[6:17:58] the busing. So if they don't have

[6:18:00] capacity to get out there, they're

[6:18:02] actually getting them there. Uh

[6:18:05] concerned and yet I felt reassured about

[6:18:08] this campaign to redo Kingsbury, redo

[6:18:11] the seating, which is a huge thing for

[6:18:14] the community. And also to um I have say

[6:18:18] a side note working on the Florence Wear

[6:18:21] murals which are in there are a huge

[6:18:24] part of Utah's history right now that

[6:18:26] we're doing women artists in Utah. Um

[6:18:29] there are still district 2 is still

[6:18:31] remaining unrepresented but last night

[6:18:34] they mentioned they are actively looking

[6:18:37] from that. Um I think a question with

[6:18:41] their volunteers.

[6:18:43] It would be something they could expand

[6:18:45] their volunte. There would be people

[6:18:47] who'd want to do this and we weren't

[6:18:50] even I wasn't even reassured asking them

[6:18:53] last night about their volunteers.

[6:18:56] >> I don't think they have any. I just

[6:18:58] don't think they have any. day. And so

[6:19:00] all of people are being paid where they

[6:19:02] could get, we talked about, they could

[6:19:05] really pump up their volunteer and save

[6:19:07] some of those costs as well. Um, and so

[6:19:12] I I think I'm comfortable with the 14,

[6:19:18] but um kind of would like to do

[6:19:22] somewhere in between. And so I'm going

[6:19:24] to this is like down to the clock kind

[6:19:27] of going back through it. But

[6:19:28] >> you want 13 and a half.

[6:19:30] >> If I 13 and a half is No, I think it

[6:19:33] would be a more 14 and a half. And um

[6:19:37] but 14 is probably with some of the

[6:19:40] caveats that I just said is probably a

[6:19:42] good place for them right now. For me,

[6:19:45] >> last night we were talking to their

[6:19:47] community outreach um person who was

[6:19:50] lovely. teacher is phenomenal, so

[6:19:51] enthusiastic, so great. But again,

[6:19:54] similar idea that their matineese and

[6:19:56] the programming that they do on site for

[6:19:58] schools are first come, first serve. So

[6:20:01] there's no methodology for, you know,

[6:20:04] expanding access and making it more

[6:20:07] equitable, bringing more people and it's

[6:20:09] just whoever knows about it has the

[6:20:11] advantage to be there. So that's a a

[6:20:14] frustration of mine. But what I do love

[6:20:16] is again the way they got creative that

[6:20:18] when they're bringing in these

[6:20:19] professional artists that they're

[6:20:21] actually using them to do more than

[6:20:23] perform. They're using them as

[6:20:26] ambassadors for the art as educators

[6:20:28] doing hues and a doing you know

[6:20:30] workshops with kids.

[6:20:32] >> Did they draw or recruit uh students

[6:20:34] from high schools to perform with them?

[6:20:36] They did that one when I was there. They

[6:20:38] had they do have that reach up one of

[6:20:40] those Marcales did

[6:20:43] >> incorporated some teaching and then they

[6:20:45] had them perform.

[6:20:46] >> I think that dance the lenone is doing

[6:20:48] the same thing. Um yeah so it is great

[6:20:51] that they are looking at artists and

[6:20:53] going artists are capable of doing more

[6:20:55] than performing here. Yeah. And if

[6:20:58] they're here we want to use their

[6:21:00] expertise and and infiltrating but again

[6:21:03] geographical barriers. And then when you

[6:21:05] have an education program that's only

[6:21:07] first come first serve,

[6:21:11] how do you ever get into that system?

[6:21:13] >> But do schools, you know, I mean, the

[6:21:16] schools need to have skin in the game if

[6:21:17] they're, you know, planning a a field

[6:21:20] trip, you know? So, if they're not

[6:21:22] raising their hand to make it happen,

[6:21:24] you know,

[6:21:26] >> you and I can have a conversation about

[6:21:27] that outside. Yeah, because we had that

[6:21:29] [laughter] conversation last night and I

[6:21:31] was like, "Yeah, but I know from being

[6:21:32] on that trip, you have to be aware and

[6:21:34] get in there."

[6:21:36] >> I I've noticed this in my town

[6:21:40] a little bit to my chin. Not every and I

[6:21:44] think this is where you're going. Some

[6:21:46] of these tier twos or some of these med

[6:21:49] do not really connect with the tier ones

[6:21:52] and vice versa. I'd like to see more of

[6:21:54] it. I would think that it's just common

[6:21:56] sense to do it, but they have to have

[6:21:58] some skin in the game, too. So, I think

[6:22:00] that we're trying to direct some effort

[6:22:02] to that more to encourage that, but it's

[6:22:04] a two-way street, too, you know, to to

[6:22:06] get them to do that to to get the field

[6:22:08] trips to go up to because Kingsbury Hall

[6:22:11] is a beautiful place, you know, to to go

[6:22:13] and do that as a treat, you know, for

[6:22:15] the kids, but they have to be willing to

[6:22:17] do that. There's only so much that Utah

[6:22:19] presents or those organizations can do

[6:22:21] on their own.

[6:22:22] >> Yeah. And I mean just very briefly the

[6:22:24] very first step is understanding what

[6:22:26] barriers exist for communities that are

[6:22:28] outside of our own. Um that's just the

[6:22:30] first step but anyway people

[6:22:33] experimented with going out there and I

[6:22:35] think that they were open to that

[6:22:38] challenge of

[6:22:39] >> sure

[6:22:39] >> how do we not just make it first come

[6:22:41] first serve but how do you expect

[6:22:43] accountability from those also as well.

[6:22:46] >> Any other comments

[6:22:50] changes make your score So, we'll move

[6:22:52] on to Salt Lake Arts Council. We've got

[6:22:54] two left in 35 minutes.

[6:22:57] >> Less than 35. You have four left. I

[6:22:59] scored.

[6:23:00] >> We have four left.

[6:23:00] >> No, you have two [laughter] left.

[6:23:02] >> Did you just make up two more, Dustin?

[6:23:07] » We have Salt Lake Arts Council and Utah

[6:23:09] Humanities. I think uh any last minute

[6:23:12] adjustments to Utah presents that does

[6:23:14] wrap up multi-disiplinary

[6:23:17] >> and gets us the local arts agency

[6:23:20] >> and oops um that is sorry

[6:23:26] I mean Amanda sorry

[6:23:28] >> yeah yeah yeah the next one I just like

[6:23:32] >> okay um so I visited and sat in on a

[6:23:37] board meeting with them um I was very

[6:23:40] impressed with how aligned they are with

[6:23:42] their mission. Like they really do

[6:23:44] practice what they say they want to do.

[6:23:46] Um they're very focused on being

[6:23:48] accessible um with their like ticket

[6:23:51] pricing and everything. um they did not

[6:23:53] have the same issues that Red had with

[6:23:55] their concert series um with ticket

[6:23:57] sales and I think that's probably

[6:23:59] because of the accessible pricing um

[6:24:02] because [clears throat]

[6:24:03] the yeah the Twilight concert and it's

[6:24:05] also a great way to bring they the way

[6:24:07] they they are very intentional about

[6:24:09] bringing in different artists from

[6:24:10] different genres introducing the people

[6:24:12] to music that they might not have seen.

[6:24:14] Um I like that they have really great

[6:24:18] programming workshops for the artists

[6:24:20] that they help. So they they provide

[6:24:21] grants to the artists. They do

[6:24:23] workshops. They help um kind of match up

[6:24:26] artists with other artists to help

[6:24:28] artists who are at different stages in

[6:24:30] their careers so they can grow and learn

[6:24:31] from each other. Um and they also are

[6:24:34] very uh considerate about having no

[6:24:37] redundancies in their programming.

[6:24:39] Making sure that because there are other

[6:24:41] workshops and programs that artists can

[6:24:43] go to to learn about being artists. Um

[6:24:46] and so they try to make sure not to have

[6:24:47] an overlap with that. So, they're very

[6:24:50] um effective with their resources.

[6:24:53] Um they have a high retention rate with

[6:24:54] their volunteers um which I was

[6:24:57] impressed by. They have incentives for

[6:24:58] their volunteers so they can build up

[6:25:00] hours and get tickets to things and

[6:25:02] events. Um and then let's see, they also

[6:25:06] take their uh feedback seriously. So

[6:25:09] with the with the whale um that was not

[6:25:12] received very well initially, right? And

[6:25:14] so and they they got a lot of feedback

[6:25:16] from the community about that. So with

[6:25:18] their uh more recent what's it called

[6:25:21] the wake the great Salt Lake one with

[6:25:23] that project uh they learned from the

[6:25:25] whale and they got ahead of it. They got

[6:25:27] um they spent time and money to make

[6:25:30] like flyers andformational posters and

[6:25:33] things um to give to the neighboring

[6:25:37] areas of where that would be so that

[6:25:38] people would know what's coming, what

[6:25:40] it's about, the purpose. Um, and they

[6:25:42] actually ended up getting not not just

[6:25:45] better feedback about it, but they

[6:25:47] actually gained new advocates for their

[6:25:49] program through those neighborhoods.

[6:25:51] Some people like didn't know what it

[6:25:53] was, didn't know who they were, and now

[6:25:54] they are um active advocates for

[6:25:58] that project, which was received really

[6:26:00] well um from what I understand. Um, so

[6:26:03] that was impressive. um their

[6:26:07] uh struggles. They did have a big budget

[6:26:10] cut. Um I forget if it was a cut that

[6:26:14] already happened or [clears throat] that

[6:26:15] they are anticipating. Um their strategy

[6:26:18] for that is very straightforward. They

[6:26:19] are actually cutting some programming as

[6:26:21] far as I know. Um from last time I

[6:26:22] talked to them, they are cutting buser

[6:26:24] fest and the acoustic troll. I know.

[6:26:27] >> I know.

[6:26:28] >> I loved that.

[6:26:29] >> I know. But I was like, you know, that's

[6:26:30] a very realistic just if we can't afford

[6:26:33] it, we're going to just cut these

[6:26:34] smaller programs. They're going to keep

[6:26:36] their large ones like the like the

[6:26:37] Twilight and the Living Traditions,

[6:26:39] which is an amazing

[6:26:40] >> festival that they do every year um has

[6:26:42] grown a lot. So, I thought that was very

[6:26:44] just

[6:26:45] >> they just where they need to um and they

[6:26:48] grow where they

[6:26:49] >> where they feel is important. Um it

[6:26:51] seems like they have their priorities

[6:26:52] really lined up well and their

[6:26:55] strategies are really lined up well and

[6:26:57] yeah, very mission driven. Um, I gave

[6:27:00] them a 13.

[6:27:03] Yes.

[6:27:04] >> What was your thought about the entity,

[6:27:06] the being Salt Lake City entity being

[6:27:08] tier one?

[6:27:10] >> Um,

[6:27:11] I don't know.

[6:27:12] >> It's identified as a

[6:27:14] >> Yes.

[6:27:14] >> That who

[6:27:17] >> was the concern with that? Well, I I

[6:27:20] made the comment about it being the

[6:27:21] quasi governmental agency in the sense

[6:27:23] that they are restricted by ordinance

[6:27:25] that their board members have to come

[6:27:27] from Salt Lake City and all their

[6:27:28] programming has to be in Salt Lake City.

[6:27:31] >> And so is that conflicting with this

[6:27:34] mission when you say we are designated

[6:27:37] to only be run by and serving within a

[6:27:41] particular municipality?

[6:27:43] I don't know. It's a question. the team

[6:27:45] talked about all of your feedback so

[6:27:46] that we could try to be figure a couple

[6:27:48] things out. Couple things uh regarding

[6:27:50] that is um tier one uh in code still

[6:27:54] says local arts agencies. So local arts

[6:27:57] agencies. So so as you know West Valley

[6:28:00] was one and so I'm sure they have the

[6:28:02] same mandate, right? So it is hard for

[6:28:04] board members to think about it that

[6:28:05] way. But again we do allow that

[6:28:07] discipline into tier one. It is things

[6:28:10] the other thing we thought about is

[6:28:11] sorry is um is if we got data from them

[6:28:14] again we want to get better to get you

[6:28:15] the data you want and not just numbers

[6:28:16] but information is if we asked them for

[6:28:18] zip code data I imagine they would kill

[6:28:20] everybody of their community here on the

[6:28:22] amount of draw they get from other zip

[6:28:24] codes outside their own including places

[6:28:25] like Idaho and Wyoming not not that we

[6:28:27] want that but we sure love those visitor

[6:28:29] tax dollars for zap right um and so

[6:28:31] that's the kind of things we thought

[6:28:32] about like how does that work well do

[6:28:33] allow the local agencies so it's almost

[6:28:35] like the policy itself has a conflict

[6:28:37] sort of Okay.

[6:28:38] >> So to that then Sandy's arts group,

[6:28:43] >> you know, any of this municipal arts

[6:28:45] group could apply to tier one.

[6:28:46] >> It's a 501c3. They can't So like Murray,

[6:28:49] uh, Murray is an example of one that's

[6:28:51] still a city, right? But if they would

[6:28:53] spin out and do a 501c3, y'all would be

[6:28:56] able to recognize them as a tier one. It

[6:28:57] wouldn't be the city. But you're right,

[6:28:59] it has that really deep connection.

[6:29:00] >> So it's not an exception for Salt Lake

[6:29:02] City. It's

[6:29:03] >> No, no, it's their 501c3. Yeah, but

[6:29:05] their 501c3. It doesn't

[6:29:07] >> Did anyone attend their symphony of

[6:29:10] disappearing sounds? The great it is was

[6:29:14] off the charts amazing. I can't tell you

[6:29:16] what an experience was and the crowd.

[6:29:18] >> Where was that host? It was um Olafar Elias of Berlin uh artist from

[6:29:26] Berlin was commissioned to do a a great

[6:29:29] Salt Lake public art project. It was in

[6:29:32] the City Creek

[6:29:34] >> City Creek Park

[6:29:37] four evenings or a week. Um

[6:29:40] >> it was a projected sphere. There was a

[6:29:43] sphere on which um light and uh images

[6:29:48] were projected and then they gathered

[6:29:51] sounds from the great Salt Lake bird

[6:29:53] sounds of um of uh

[6:29:57] >> brine flies flying around

[6:29:59] >> really

[6:30:00] >> and it was the most cool immersive

[6:30:03] community thing I've seen with with

[6:30:06] large crowds built a lot of momentum uh

[6:30:10] over social media and a lot of

[6:30:12] excitement

[6:30:13] It was easily accessible. I bought I

[6:30:15] signed up for a ticket for, you know,

[6:30:17] saying I was going to go and then I

[6:30:18] couldn't go, but it was easily it was

[6:30:20] all over the place.

[6:30:22] >> Yeah,

[6:30:22] >> Kelsey went amazing. I mean, that brings

[6:30:26] international attention to something.

[6:30:29] That was that was huge.

[6:30:31] >> Anyone adjusting their scores on that

[6:30:34] council?

[6:30:35] So, we move on to the humanities. The

[6:30:38] last one

[6:30:44] I guess Amy, you're you're to recuse

[6:30:46] yourself.

[6:30:48] >> She doesn't have to recuse yourself.

[6:30:49] >> Just

[6:30:51] I participated.

[6:30:52] >> Oh, no recusal. Okay.

[6:30:54] >> No recusal. It's not a conflict. It's

[6:30:56] just a perceived conflict.

[6:30:58] >> But um yes, I tried to be careful with

[6:31:00] this one because I

[6:31:03] >> I knew that I would be want to relate to

[6:31:05] what they do and I think it's I've never

[6:31:10] looked at that many organiz I've never

[6:31:12] seen an organization like this the stuff

[6:31:14] that they do and my first contact with

[6:31:15] the executive director Jody was at the

[6:31:18] cultural center

[6:31:20] >> in west uh and I just was able to speak

[6:31:25] with her and his name's Michael the

[6:31:28] director there and be able to walk

[6:31:30] around the Smithsonian exhibit and just

[6:31:33] ask her questions about how Utah

[6:31:35] Humanities really works where they get

[6:31:37] their funding, how they support how they

[6:31:39] do

[6:31:41] support museums, her her staff. So I got

[6:31:44] it was great and then we went and

[6:31:46] listened to a event that they that was

[6:31:49] there for people to share their stories

[6:31:52] and so that was my introduction and then

[6:31:54] I was able to participate in the

[6:31:56] executive committee meeting online and

[6:31:58] then a 10p person staff meeting. So I

[6:32:02] show up and each one of them shared what

[6:32:06] they did and I want to go work for them.

[6:32:09] It was just amazing. I was just like,

[6:32:11] "Oh my gosh." And and they're just it

[6:32:14] that the EQ in that room was incredible

[6:32:18] and it's a good thing because it's

[6:32:20] complicated what they do. and uh just

[6:32:23] you know describing okay sometimes

[6:32:26] someone from Moab might not know that

[6:32:29] when a Smithsonian exhibit comes through

[6:32:31] there they might want to dig some stuff

[6:32:33] out of their little museum basement and

[6:32:35] have their museum specialist go down

[6:32:37] there and have them [clears throat]

[6:32:40] bring the culture out alongside the

[6:32:42] Smithsonian and share the educational

[6:32:45] programs they do for people who maybe

[6:32:47] didn't have a chance to go to college

[6:32:49] really don't understand what humanities

[6:32:51] is uh her venture program in prisons and

[6:32:56] just the variety of things that they do

[6:32:58] to be able to have a concrete mission

[6:33:01] like they do and do project do things

[6:33:05] well without being spread too I mean I'm

[6:33:07] sure they're spread thin uh but 100% of

[6:33:11] their programs are free uh looks like

[6:33:13] they're very high on the list with um

[6:33:17] see 16 out of 22 municipalities are

[6:33:21] represented.

[6:33:22] Uh

[6:33:24] just voices that again that word

[6:33:26] empowerment, voices that would not be

[6:33:29] heard or even even know about it if it

[6:33:32] wasn't them. I I know I think it was

[6:33:35] Peter that reviewed them last year. Just

[6:33:37] sometimes people don't know who they are

[6:33:39] and the nature of what they do is behind

[6:33:42] the scenes and

[6:33:44] it's just a really important

[6:33:46] organization. I I know there was it was

[6:33:48] scary there where they uh had the

[6:33:51] funding scare with

[6:33:52] >> Yeah.

[6:33:54] >> Yes. And I I got the low down on that

[6:33:56] and trying to you know they have board a

[6:33:59] board retreat every year

[6:34:01] >> and they were talking about one of the

[6:34:04] meetings just how they're I wanted to go

[6:34:06] just sounded like so much fun. You know

[6:34:07] they just the way that they work

[6:34:09] together to make this organization what

[6:34:12] it is is very cool. regular in-person

[6:34:16] meetings. Some of the executive

[6:34:17] committee meetings are online because

[6:34:19] people live in very far away locations.

[6:34:23] But I um I did write a reservation. I'd

[6:34:28] worry a little because some of the staff

[6:34:30] are so specialized

[6:34:32] how they I think they do try to

[6:34:34] communicate with when they do if they

[6:34:36] have to replace somebody. But wow. So

[6:34:40] >> I um I gave them

[6:34:44] let's see

[6:34:47] I gave them a four for purpose

[6:34:51] and a three for organ organizational

[6:34:54] stability

[6:34:57] because it's complicated. Uh revenue

[6:35:00] sources are complicated. Um engagement

[6:35:02] public benefits strong. I think they

[6:35:04] could they could do more. They're the

[6:35:07] only I don't think there's any other

[6:35:09] humanities group like them. So,

[6:35:10] >> what was your overall?

[6:35:13] >> Non Financial Capital I gave them to

[6:35:15] just because overall

[6:35:17] >> kind of insecure.

[6:35:18] >> What was your overall?

[6:35:19] >> Uh yeah, I know you're asking that

[6:35:21] question. What does that add up to? I

[6:35:23] think it was 12.

[6:35:24] >> Okay. Yeah,

[6:35:26] >> this is one of the groups that um Kelsey

[6:35:28] had come speak when Peter went to their

[6:35:30] um the scenario planning because they

[6:35:34] had that money kind of pulled out from

[6:35:35] underneath them and there's so many

[6:35:37] decisions that turn into that and every

[6:35:40] other you know there's one in every

[6:35:41] state right so there's one of these

[6:35:43] groups in every single state and so they

[6:35:44] all it wasn't that they could go to

[6:35:45] their partner mask it was all in at the

[6:35:47] same time and um the way they handled

[6:35:49] that was pretty masterfully and so

[6:35:51] Kelsey had them come in and speak at the

[6:35:53] function that Peter went do is capacity

[6:35:55] building and talk to folks about what

[6:35:57] you need to be looking like and the life

[6:35:59] cycle of your organization, what your

[6:36:01] priorities are and to stop for a minute

[6:36:03] and not be reactive as best that you

[6:36:05] can. And it was really interesting to

[6:36:08] hear that she hadn't done this before.

[6:36:10] Like this was a surprise, a true

[6:36:11] surprise. And to be able to make good

[6:36:13] decisions after that, it's got to be so

[6:36:14] hard. And so that there Kelsey had

[6:36:17] different people. So somebody else was

[6:36:18] did they do theirs in advance and she

[6:36:19] did hers at the time. But she gave some

[6:36:21] really good advice about future

[6:36:22] thinking. Like she was like, "Listen,

[6:36:24] you got to plan for good and bad. Like

[6:36:25] what if you got some land given to you?

[6:36:27] >> That sounds great. What about the debt,

[6:36:29] the liability, the management, the

[6:36:31] infrastructure, the tax like so it was

[6:36:33] really cool to hear her. There was

[6:36:34] someone there was another grantee and I

[6:36:36] bring

[6:36:36] >> so

[6:36:39] riv Tom Tom Dancy came and spoke about

[6:36:41] leadership that someone had been there

[6:36:43] for 50 years, right? And here's this new

[6:36:45] person coming from out of town. How you know get to know the community. So

[6:36:49] anyway, I just wanted to mention that

[6:36:50] humanities one because it was really

[6:36:51] cool. Everyone was you could hear her

[6:36:53] pin drop. She told her story.

[6:36:55] >> I bet

[6:36:56] >> she was great. She's so great. And I I

[6:36:57] you know and I think I took away from

[6:36:59] that a sense of as I look through these

[6:37:01] applications and specifically with uh

[6:37:04] organizational stability succession

[6:37:07] were financial what's their scenario

[6:37:09] planning orientation for these

[6:37:11] contingencies because Jod complained you

[6:37:14] know she expressed herself fairly

[6:37:17] strongly last year when I reviewed her

[6:37:18] about losing the federal funding and

[6:37:20] they didn't really have an you know an

[6:37:22] outlet. The other thing that I don't

[6:37:23] think they really improved on was their

[6:37:25] uh awareness. You know, they've been

[6:37:27] around for 50 years, but they're always

[6:37:29] behind the scenes. You know, the the

[6:37:31] frontline organizations they're

[6:37:32] supporting, but they don't have

[6:37:34] anything. And I'm not suggesting this is

[6:37:36] the one exception to all the tier ones

[6:37:39] that I would suggest earn revenue is a

[6:37:42] challenging thing for them. On the other

[6:37:44] hand, they should be able to co-brand, I

[6:37:46] think, to say, you know, give credit for

[6:37:48] helping uh surface archives for museums

[6:37:51] and things because they do that or their

[6:37:53] literacy programs. You just don't know

[6:37:54] who they are. So, I think they I think

[6:37:57] they as an institution, they're so

[6:37:59] accustomed to just being there for 50

[6:38:01] years. They don't realize that there's a

[6:38:04] lot of competition or competing things

[6:38:06] that overlap with them and nobody really

[6:38:08] knows who they are,

[6:38:09] >> right? So, I don't think that they've

[6:38:11] really changed that yet. We did talk

[6:38:13] about that a little bit just that

[6:38:14] dynamic and how that works. [laughter]

[6:38:16] >> I mean I I don't know. I mean I

[6:38:18] suggested Jody can you just brought to

[6:38:21] you by Utah or we helped too.

[6:38:24] >> Yeah I think I didn't see don't quote me

[6:38:26] on this but with the Smithsonian stuff

[6:38:28] you know the cultural center it wasn't

[6:38:29] Utah humanities sign. So we talked about

[6:38:33] >> making sure those organizations they're

[6:38:35] supporting us. So note them in their

[6:38:39] sign engine. But wow,

[6:38:43] >> thank you.

[6:38:44] >> Thanks, Amy. That's uh that's all of

[6:38:46] them. So,

[6:38:46] >> anybody want to change scores or change?

[6:38:49] >> I just want to say too, they went way

[6:38:50] out of their way just to make sure I

[6:38:52] really felt at home and I understood

[6:38:53] what they did and I felt like I'd known

[6:38:55] them for years.

[6:38:56] >> They always do. They make you leave when

[6:38:58] you leave like you want to put them in

[6:39:00] your

[6:39:01] >> your will your personal succession

[6:39:03] [laughter]

[6:39:05] with them. Yeah. I'm going to donate to

[6:39:07] you right now.

[6:39:07] >> You know, it's a great organization.

[6:39:09] >> Yeah. So, um Samantha, do we have uh

[6:39:12] what should we do next? Should we talk

[6:39:14] about

[6:39:15] >> I was wondering there should be any

[6:39:17] action items? We had some very strong

[6:39:19] views about the Utah Arts Festival, for

[6:39:21] example, and I don't know if there's

[6:39:23] other ones that

[6:39:24] >> we do have to You're right. We do have a

[6:39:25] small list of things that we have to do.

[6:39:26] Thank you for bringing that up. Great

[6:39:28] way to put it. Um so, uh Cody has been

[6:39:31] changing things on his end so he can

[6:39:33] show you how everyone ran. can have a

[6:39:35] little bit of discussion, I think, if

[6:39:36] you want to move anything or you have

[6:39:38] concerns and then you're going to give a

[6:39:40] little bit of direction to us or to me

[6:39:42] to um if you think critically, but if

[6:39:46] you want me to impart any warning or

[6:39:49] caution letters to organizations, you

[6:39:52] know, I'll already do it for the failed

[6:39:53] financial health test in regard to those

[6:39:56] improvement plans. For the

[6:39:57] organizational health letters, if you if

[6:39:59] you want me to distribute any this year,

[6:40:00] what those would be. And then um if

[6:40:04] you're happy with your scores and the

[6:40:05] direction that you've given me, you can

[6:40:06] go ahead and vote on a motion to pass

[6:40:09] these. And then like I said, the next

[6:40:10] thing I do is we start consolidating all

[6:40:13] the votes that Dustin took today in

[6:40:14] this. We'll get you a copy of it. In the

[6:40:16] meantime, we'll send something probably

[6:40:17] Monday. The applicants will let them

[6:40:19] know. Um and then we just keep you alert

[6:40:21] as we get ready to go to council. I'm

[6:40:23] going to let the tier 2 vote know also.

[6:40:25] um deliver doesn't get approved today to

[6:40:28] go into the um tier 2 pool for grant

[6:40:32] funding. Uh we do need to let the tier 2

[6:40:34] board know so they can expect whatever

[6:40:36] is going to happen with those dynamics

[6:40:37] as well. So that's about it. Just three

[6:40:40] things is uh let's talk about the

[6:40:41] ranking which you'll have discussion and

[6:40:43] give me some direction on what you want

[6:40:44] to happen and then I think you can

[6:40:46] finalize with the vote. I shouldn't take

[6:40:47] that long but

[6:40:48] >> so we have one extra applicant for the

[6:40:50] 22 slots. So there's that discussion and

[6:40:54] then the other is

[6:40:56] >> um

[6:40:57] >> you can stop sharing.

[6:40:58] >> I would uh open to anybody that has a

[6:41:01] particular issue with any organization.

[6:41:03] I already

[6:41:05] >> Utah Arts Festival came up pretty

[6:41:08] vigorously some discussion about that.

[6:41:10] So we can talk about that one or if

[6:41:11] there's any others.

[6:41:13] >> Well Cody puts this up because the only

[6:41:15] question that I had about scoring that

[6:41:16] y'all changed. I just want to make sure

[6:41:17] this right is it's very early on. I

[6:41:19] apologize, but I just want to make sure

[6:41:21] Tanner dance. We had one person go up

[6:41:23] and one person go down and had a

[6:41:25] discussion. I want to make sure that was

[6:41:26] accurate. One went up and one went down.

[6:41:28] Does that sound right?

[6:41:29] >> I think so.

[6:41:30] >> Okay. Just want to make sure that that

[6:41:31] was what

[6:41:32] >> you're being surveiled.

[6:41:34] >> I just want to make sure that that um

[6:41:36] that I didn't it didn't have two up or

[6:41:38] two down. That one just caught me off. I

[6:41:40] just quick

[6:41:44] >> Do [clears throat] we want to do that?

[6:41:45] >> Do

[6:41:47] as you wish.

[6:41:48] >> [laughter]

[6:41:50] >> Okay, I am ready to go ahead and share.

[6:41:53] >> So, you've got our most recent that we

[6:41:55] entered.

[6:41:55] >> I've been updating them throughout the

[6:41:57] meeting.

[6:41:57] >> Okay.

[6:41:58] >> So, tada.

[6:42:00] >> Oh, boy.

[6:42:02] >> Yep.

[6:42:03] >> I'm always the one that says that. I

[6:42:04] can't

[6:42:06] >> when he looks at my screen at my desk,

[6:42:08] he's like, "This is like a different

[6:42:09] font."

[6:42:10] I'm going to hide this just so that we

[6:42:12] have

[6:42:17] so it's sorted from the bottom. Um

[6:42:25] remember this is this is what we're

[6:42:27] going to give them and this is probably

[6:42:29] what you want to make your decision on

[6:42:31] recommendations. Uh I imagine there

[6:42:33] might be an argument for this but I I

[6:42:34] would probably just include everything

[6:42:36] but y'all can make that decision.

[6:42:39] Yeah, I mean there's not a lot we can do

[6:42:41] about those financial health scores,

[6:42:43] right?

[6:42:44] >> So, it's just part of

[6:42:47] >> even when we believe in an

[6:42:48] organization's upward mobility, it is

[6:42:51] what it is.

[6:42:53] >> Yes.

[6:42:53] >> Um and I know

[6:42:56] >> Yeah.

[6:42:56] >> three years with Utah Arts Festival. I

[6:43:00] feel like they're continually trying to

[6:43:02] do things that increase their

[6:43:04] organizational performance and reach and

[6:43:07] like some of this great programming with

[6:43:09] their street ambassadors and how they're

[6:43:12] recruiting board members. Like there's a

[6:43:13] lot of things they're doing

[6:43:14] organizationally, but yet it seems like

[6:43:16] the festival itself

[6:43:19] is dysfunctional and very fundamental

[6:43:22] user experience

[6:43:24] ways. I I don't know how they have

[6:43:28] haven't mastered some of those

[6:43:30] >> long I don't know like we're going to

[6:43:33] change this but looking at it

[6:43:36] >> or like like Wasach Community Gardens is

[6:43:38] looking at it more.

[6:43:39] >> Do you know what I mean?

[6:43:40] >> Yeah.

[6:43:41] >> When they change something it's not for

[6:43:44] the next year but like how is this going

[6:43:45] to Yeah. longevity.

[6:43:47] >> It looks like you've got one exceptional

[6:43:49] uh three in the top 10, three in the top

[6:43:51] 25

[6:43:53] and you've got some upper middle. It's

[6:43:55] helpful for them. I know it's not in the

[6:43:56] middle, right? So, giving it more

[6:43:57] definition.

[6:43:58] >> Six and upper middle.

[6:43:59] >> And then you've got lower middle, which

[6:44:01] is about five. I think

[6:44:02] >> that's four,

[6:44:03] >> which are Oh, sorry. And adequate.

[6:44:06] >> Yep.

[6:44:06] >> Um, so we'll give them both of the

[6:44:08] percentile and the adequate. We'll give

[6:44:09] them both. And we'll give them the

[6:44:10] definition for adequate as well.

[6:44:13] >> As well as their individual scores of

[6:44:14] each category, right? We'll give them

[6:44:16] those

[6:44:17] >> four in the bottom four and bottom 25.

[6:44:20] >> So, three and bottom 10. So last year we

[6:44:23] did uh four letters, three again word of

[6:44:26] warning, one was a caution

[6:44:30] » and

[6:44:33] [laughter]

[6:44:34] so tree's going to our tier 2

[6:44:38] application, right? Just based on score.

[6:44:40] So then we have to determine the next

[6:44:43] four unless you all want to move

[6:44:45] anything around or have any other

[6:44:46] discussions.

[6:44:48] >> I mean I don't see you there are

[6:44:49] >> so I mean we have room for that. I guess

[6:44:52] it just suggests three Utah should be in

[6:44:54] tier two stay there. So then we have

[6:44:58] enough room for everybody else. So the

[6:45:00] question is do we

[6:45:03] you know send improvement letters? I

[6:45:04] don't know if we call them warning but

[6:45:06] further

[6:45:07] >> got a letter last year.

[6:45:09] >> Will their letter just look the same

[6:45:11] again? I mean

[6:45:12] >> um I was just trying to read that again

[6:45:14] something we put in place so they have

[6:45:15] to take that to Matt. Um, uh, I believe

[6:45:18] I I can't remember all the details, but,

[6:45:21] um, we would do, um, another meeting

[6:45:24] with them, and I'm assuming Matt and I

[6:45:26] would bring something above, someone

[6:45:27] above our head potentially. Um, and that

[6:45:30] we'd have to, um, think about what it

[6:45:32] means year two versus year one, right? I

[6:45:35] mean, would it be something the staff

[6:45:37] versus the um, the board, right?

[6:45:40] >> So, Pioneer Theater, its main issues,

[6:45:42] financial health or there's more to it.

[6:45:45] >> The three points.

[6:45:46] >> They actually were fine this year.

[6:45:48] >> Yeah,

[6:45:50] >> because they're their three-year

[6:45:51] average.

[6:45:51] >> The board scored a 10.4 with the

[6:45:54] financial health test.

[6:45:55] >> So that would have put them right here

[6:45:58] between

[6:45:59] film society. So they would have been,

[6:46:01] you know, inadequate. And

[6:46:02] >> so the financial kind of knocked them

[6:46:05] down.

[6:46:05] >> Yeah.

[6:46:06] >> And then the arts festival, it sounds

[6:46:07] like, well, they have a financial, but

[6:46:09] there seems to be issues beyond that.

[6:46:11] some of the comments.

[6:46:15] » We did talk about what we would do if

[6:46:16] somebody got more than one one year in a

[6:46:18] row, but I don't know that we made a

[6:46:19] decision. I'm not seeing a decision um

[6:46:23] except for taking a caution letter to a

[6:46:25] warning letter. I'm not seeing elevation

[6:46:27] occurring.

[6:46:30] >> But does the warning letter matter? If

[6:46:33] there's never anyone that comes in to

[6:46:35] take a spot, then they'll all have a

[6:46:37] spot, right?

[6:46:38] >> No. No. Y'all can decide what you want

[6:46:39] to do.

[6:46:41] We don't give any this year. We don't

[6:46:42] want to give any, but everybody's

[6:46:44] killing it.

[6:46:45] >> You know, maybe as a pool, they're not

[6:46:46] doing great. But

[6:46:48] >> in general in Utah, they're killing it,

[6:46:50] right? So, you call can decide,

[6:46:52] >> I only want one this year, I want two,

[6:46:54] or let's do the bottom 10% or whatever

[6:46:56] this year.

[6:46:57] >> Well, I mean, the point can be made. The

[6:46:58] three that are developing, we can say

[6:47:01] they're all equally developing. So, they

[6:47:04] go to tier two regardless of whether

[6:47:06] we've got room for them.

[6:47:08] um tree Utah. Um I don't think I would

[6:47:10] send a letter to unless you guys really

[6:47:11] want it, but we would just give that

[6:47:12] normal feedback from material board and

[6:47:14] material board, right? Um P if I'm

[6:47:17] looking at just the two two bottom ones.

[6:47:19] We would give um the arts festival got a

[6:47:22] caution letter. So maybe if you guys

[6:47:23] wanted, we'd give them a warning letter.

[6:47:25] Pioneer, we would give them another

[6:47:26] warning letter. But again, they can't

[6:47:28] fix the financials two years back, but

[6:47:30] so you might want to think about that.

[6:47:32] Um, I don't know if you want to elevate

[6:47:33] it up or if you just want to stop there

[6:47:35] or maybe we give it to Pioneers to say,

[6:47:37] "Hey, until you

[6:47:37] >> Maybe there's a letter of explanation of

[6:47:39] their score, right?" It sounds like

[6:47:41] everyone

[6:47:42] >> was impressed by them this year.

[6:47:44] >> They'll see all the other scores. Yeah,

[6:47:45] >> I think we set up the warning and

[6:47:47] caution letters specifically to

[6:47:51] provide information as to

[6:47:55] their like it's tied to the score,

[6:47:57] right? Specifically related to the

[6:47:59] score. And then they meet with you on

[6:48:01] the feedback on what they can do to

[6:48:03] enhance their score. And Pioneer Theater

[6:48:06] Company might be like, "Well, we're

[6:48:07] doing everything we can to move forward.

[6:48:09] We just know that this is our history.

[6:48:10] We have to wait for a year to drop off.

[6:48:12] We're going to keep doing these other

[6:48:13] improvements." Somebody like the Utah

[6:48:15] Arts Festival might say, "Well, at one

[6:48:18] point's going to drop off. What else can

[6:48:19] we do to improve?" Like I look at the,

[6:48:22] you know, Utah Museum of Fine Arts and

[6:48:24] I'm going, you guys have been flying

[6:48:28] under the radar and you're, if you are

[6:48:31] not given a caution letter to be like,

[6:48:34] don't send us the same application again

[6:48:36] next year for four years in a row, you

[6:48:38] might be at risk. So, I can see why

[6:48:43] we use the objective criteria of the

[6:48:45] score and just say objective criteria,

[6:48:48] the bottom two get warnings, the next

[6:48:50] two get caution. However you want to do

[6:48:53] it because I think some of it too wasn't

[6:48:54] just like a p I'm not saying you're just

[6:48:56] saying it's penalizing, but I think you

[6:48:58] were trying to get them to know what

[6:48:59] might happen in advance so they could

[6:49:01] make it before they reach the bottom.

[6:49:03] >> Exactly.

[6:49:04] >> Feel like Yeah, I feel like Pioneer has

[6:49:08] been receptive. So I I feel like if we

[6:49:10] gave them something I feel like they

[6:49:11] would be that's the sense that I got

[6:49:13] when we met with them.

[6:49:14] >> But I think in MFA it's because I

[6:49:17] haven't been here but what has been

[6:49:19] their what kind of comments have they

[6:49:21] had

[6:49:22] >> before?

[6:49:23] >> Can you verbally just give them the

[6:49:26] bottoms for the last couple years?

[6:49:29] Remember last year y'all had me do the

[6:49:30] bottom and play

[6:49:33] 19 or 18 for the last five years. just

[6:49:35] tell you who it was and how many times

[6:49:36] they landed there.

[6:49:37] >> Yes, mostly. Are they responding? Are

[6:49:39] they

[6:49:40] >> um I don't I don't see where they

[6:49:41] landed, but um uh Cody did all

[6:49:44] applicants, not just the bottom the last

[6:49:47] five years. So, we could kind of see um

[6:49:49] my history is that they kind of just fly

[6:49:52] under somewhat under the radar um with

[6:49:54] some feedback. They could do some things

[6:49:56] about some feedback. Some things like

[6:49:58] the parking they can't do anything about

[6:50:00] parking. Um, they're kind of under the

[6:50:03] radar for the most part,

[6:50:05] but could tell you other ones.

[6:50:11] » [snorts]

[6:50:12] >> So, this may be unwarranted, but when

[6:50:15] I'm seeing a couple of these are up and

[6:50:18] affiliated with the University of Utah,

[6:50:20] I I think it's worth it

[6:50:24] to maybe I don't know if that's

[6:50:26] appropriate to say something too because

[6:50:28] I think they're both under the academic

[6:50:31] vice president for fine arts or whatever

[6:50:34] >> to say, you know, we we've seen this um

[6:50:37] that it might be worth them looking

[6:50:40] institution itutionally

[6:50:42] at it. I

[6:50:44] >> don't know.

[6:50:45] >> Uh that that dean attended PTC PTC's.

[6:50:50] Did they attend uh the fine arts?

[6:50:52] >> Yeah. Well, she Yeah, she Yeah. And it

[6:50:56] was great conversation, but I'm like,

[6:51:00] where above her do they really

[6:51:01] understand that they are in jeopardy?

[6:51:04] And and it's like, oh, it's okay. We've

[6:51:06] got these other funding sources. I just

[6:51:09] how seriously they're taking this I

[6:51:11] think is my my thought process.

[6:51:14] >> I think they're a little they're

[6:51:15] inconsistent across the years. Um before

[6:51:18] they were in the upper middle um so

[6:51:20] that's above 50% and then the pre in uh

[6:51:24] let's see here in 20

[6:51:26] um in last year previous year they were

[6:51:30] in the lower middle so below 50% but not

[6:51:33] that 25%. So, it is um it is they're not

[6:51:36] consistent. If anything, that's what the

[6:51:39] data shows.

[6:51:42] >> I think it's you're getting better as

[6:51:43] board members. I think you're going to

[6:51:44] site this as a checklist. I think that

[6:51:46] you're asking critical questions.

[6:51:50] >> We're we're getting clarity hopefully

[6:51:51] giving clarity. They're uh clarifying

[6:51:54] the scoring criteria. I mean,

[6:51:56] >> just because they have a safety net

[6:51:58] doesn't mean we're responsible for

[6:52:01] teaching them that they have a safety

[6:52:03] net. They lose funding, they lose. You

[6:52:05] know what I mean? I don't know.

[6:52:07] >> The pressure is building from tier two.

[6:52:09] I mean, this is two years in a row that

[6:52:10] we've received pressure from tier 2.

[6:52:12] People saying we think we're worthy. And

[6:52:14] again, they might have to try more than

[6:52:16] once. And I think the two that applied

[6:52:17] last year probably going to come back in

[6:52:19] the next couple years and say we think

[6:52:20] we're ready now. So um help helping them

[6:52:24] understand that

[6:52:26] maybe they need to just um

[6:52:29] I I don't know if people are sensing

[6:52:32] this. I am there's a bit of a sea change

[6:52:34] here in terms of these organizations. I

[6:52:36] mean Utah Arts Festival which I thought

[6:52:38] had improved from three or four years.

[6:52:40] Some of the feedback today I learned was

[6:52:42] you know not really. And

[6:52:44] >> well, when you stepped out, I I was

[6:52:46] making the comments about how within the

[6:52:47] organization, like having the street

[6:52:49] ambassador program and a number of other

[6:52:52] things they're trying to do within the

[6:52:53] organization that it seems like they're

[6:52:55] improving, but the result is the user

[6:52:58] experience at the festival itself

[6:53:00] doesn't seem to be

[6:53:01] >> here's here's the rub. That's the only

[6:53:03] thing they do,

[6:53:04] >> right? That's the only thing that they

[6:53:05] measure by.

[6:53:06] >> So, and then and then and then Samantha,

[6:53:09] who's not a voting member, she brings up

[6:53:12] fair comments that

[6:53:14] you got this DYI thing that's even

[6:53:16] better and I hear different things are

[6:53:19] better. I said to Amy and the board, I

[6:53:21] said, you know, one of your challenges

[6:53:22] is your relevance

[6:53:24] >> because the county has moved on and

[6:53:27] you're the same Salt Lake City based

[6:53:30] thing. What are you doing? And you know,

[6:53:31] that's what their work has to do. So the

[6:53:34] pro the the situation becomes

[6:53:37] frankly based on some of the comments

[6:53:39] and we've talked about this before is

[6:53:41] are they going to be relevant a couple

[6:53:42] years from now or or do we just say you

[6:53:46] know aside from the financial health

[6:53:48] issue I don't know what constructive

[6:53:50] feedback to really give now you know

[6:53:52] because there's some things inherently

[6:53:55] perhaps that aren't working about how

[6:53:57] they approach things maybe their vendors

[6:53:58] are all these high-end I didn't even

[6:54:01] think about that I mean All of their art

[6:54:03] was hundreds, thousands of dollars. I

[6:54:06] didn't really think about

[6:54:08] >> other

[6:54:10] and that's the way but that's the way

[6:54:11] it's been. But you said artists are all

[6:54:14] many of them are from

[6:54:17] >> it's not in Utah. It's not

[6:54:20] >> but that's the way it's always I think

[6:54:21] that's the way it's always been and

[6:54:23] maybe it's because of the entry. Maybe

[6:54:25] that's where those artists

[6:54:28] >> spend the money on their food fees and

[6:54:29] that's

[6:54:30] >> might

[6:54:32] I'm I'm going to make some assumptions

[6:54:33] conversation but you can tell me if I'm

[6:54:34] wrong. I think you want the festival

[6:54:36] move from a caution letter to a warning

[6:54:37] letter.

[6:54:38] >> Does that sound right? on the basis of

[6:54:40] that what do we financial health andor

[6:54:44] uh

[6:54:44] >> your score and your comments I think and

[6:54:47] the seriousness of their ranking among

[6:54:49] their pool again is

[6:54:51] >> yeah is that does that sound accurate

[6:54:53] >> okay

[6:54:54] >> so um

[6:54:56] >> and then it's a matter of what are the

[6:54:57] specific things we can help them with to really work on you know like the

[6:55:02] vendor the types of vendors they have I

[6:55:05] mean these are things that I

[6:55:06] >> they really want to change something you

[6:55:08] want we can invite Maybe one of the

[6:55:10] impact program things uh potentially

[6:55:13] some of it's just like you said it's

[6:55:14] relevance. How do we help relevance?

[6:55:16] That's something they've got to figure

[6:55:17] out. That's their identity. That's I

[6:55:18] don't know that we

[6:55:19] >> there's a macro situation going on that

[6:55:21] affects their ability to

[6:55:23] >> you think you have to fix the lowhanging

[6:55:26] fruit. [laughter]

[6:55:28] >> Utah Arts Alliance

[6:55:29] >> they refused to fix.

[6:55:31] Utah Arts Alliance again I know you're

[6:55:33] looking at both scores. Did you uh LA

[6:55:36] again they did a financial health plan

[6:55:38] um and they did had a warning letter

[6:55:41] last year. Uh do you want to give them a

[6:55:44] caution instead? Is that what I'm sort

[6:55:46] of or do you want to keep them still

[6:55:48] with that warning or nothing? I think

[6:55:50] the caution would be fine because this

[6:55:52] year they they weren't ding this year

[6:55:54] for their FHT. It was last year, right?

[6:55:57] And if they were at a 10,

[6:56:00] >> what's the comment to what did they have

[6:56:02] to work on? Um, we don't actually

[6:56:04] specifically do that. We meet with them

[6:56:06] to to go over your review with them. So,

[6:56:08] like we personally go over the review

[6:56:10] and say we give them your stuff and tell

[6:56:12] them to be ready.

[6:56:13] >> So, we would talk to them about this

[6:56:15] puzzle piece of all these different

[6:56:17] entities they have and we still have a

[6:56:19] concerns about that.

[6:56:20] >> Yeah. We actually talk through your your

[6:56:22] brains. We do it for you.

[6:56:24] >> It's not just the financials. You're

[6:56:26] >> No, we touch on that, but that's not

[6:56:28] really where we spend our time. It's

[6:56:29] really that's Tory stuff and they can't.

[6:56:31] Well, you would present that as comments

[6:56:33] and then you wait for their feedback

[6:56:34] rather than suggesting what they should

[6:56:36] do about it.

[6:56:37] >> What you do is we give it to them and

[6:56:38] then we ask them to be prepared to

[6:56:39] answer questions about it, what they're

[6:56:41] trying to do or how they're going to

[6:56:42] solve it and then we walk through them

[6:56:44] one by one. Some sometimes they have

[6:56:45] questions well what does this mean or

[6:56:46] how can we work on that and then we

[6:56:48] explain well when the board had the

[6:56:49] conversation here was the context and

[6:56:51] they go okay does that make sense?

[6:56:53] >> But I mean it's like Lynette knew the

[6:56:56] right questions to ask to get that back

[6:56:58] out of them. So that's where I think we

[6:57:00] saw it differently. I was looking from

[6:57:03] staff capacity and that and you were

[6:57:05] looking at the whole how have they

[6:57:07] improved, what are they addressing, what

[6:57:09] are they trying to do where

[6:57:11] >> you know castle thing just within 90

[6:57:14] days. So we do give them a minute to

[6:57:15] look at the comments.

[6:57:17] >> So are we um

[6:57:19] >> so one caution and one warning. Uh so

[6:57:22] UMFA

[6:57:24] uh Discovery Gateway and Salt Lake are

[6:57:26] and are kind of the two but you also

[6:57:28] mentioned another university entity. So

[6:57:30] what what are you thinking for UMFA

[6:57:33] and just

[6:57:35] way and I guess is Salt Lake acting

[6:57:37] again. You don't have to. You don't have

[6:57:38] to.

[6:57:39] >> I don't know. I really like Salt Lake.

[6:57:42] >> Yeah.

[6:57:43] we do too. They're getting they're

[6:57:45] getting dinged because of the old by a

[6:57:48] whole point. I mean a point is a big

[6:57:50] difference when people are within you

[6:57:52] know 2.3 true

[6:57:54] >> and so they could I think if we do it

[6:57:56] just for consistency sake we might have

[6:57:58] to say everybody in the bottom 25th

[6:58:00] percentile gets a caution letter and

[6:58:03] it'll be easy to explain to Salt Lake

[6:58:04] Acting Company that we see you are like

[6:58:07] the biggest hit was in your financial

[6:58:10] health score that's remaining and we'll

[6:58:12] probably ball off. Um, but I think if we

[6:58:15] just stop at Discovery Gateway or we

[6:58:17] just stop at, you know,

[6:58:19] >> I think the bottom 25 down is a good

[6:58:22] idea and say keep working on it. You're

[6:58:24] making progress, but you have some

[6:58:25] things that have to get erased.

[6:58:27] >> So bottom 25.

[6:58:28] >> What's the historical zap number of

[6:58:32] letters that have gone out?

[6:58:33] >> You guys started it last year. We did it

[6:58:35] last year.

[6:58:37] >> Yeah.

[6:58:37] >> Before it would just be behavior, behavior. hearing all about it

[6:58:41] only [laughter] so much.

[6:58:43] >> I wasn't um and so now uh you you've

[6:58:47] empowered us and yourselves. So, I'm

[6:58:49] hearing caution letters to the bottom 25

[6:58:51] except it sounds like you want Utah Arts

[6:58:54] Festival to get a warning. Or do you

[6:58:56] want

[6:58:57] >> I think if they're the bottom 10, they

[6:58:58] have to get the warning.

[6:59:03] » Yeah, we might be able to apply that

[6:59:04] standard all the time, but there might

[6:59:06] be a time where we have like nine in the

[6:59:09] bottom 25%.

[6:59:11] Or you feel like they're all really

[6:59:12] doing well. They just some are going to

[6:59:14] be better than others. That's the thing.

[6:59:15] They're all great and except for what

[6:59:17] they do. But then when you put them in a

[6:59:18] pool, you do have to ram them and that's

[6:59:20] difficult to do. That's the issue.

[6:59:23] >> It becomes a challenge for us because

[6:59:25] from a consistency standpoint, if we get

[6:59:27] tier 2 come, they really have their act

[6:59:30] together.

[6:59:30] >> Yeah.

[6:59:31] >> Then we're going to end up having to

[6:59:33] explain to some of these groups why they

[6:59:35] couldn't be, right?

[6:59:36] >> And you want to give them all the

[6:59:37] warning

[6:59:38] >> and we want to give them all the reasons

[6:59:39] to to move up.

[6:59:41] >> I mean, was community gardens came out

[6:59:43] of nowhere. Yeah, it did.

[6:59:44] >> Nowhere. They gave us 10.

[6:59:45] >> You know what's interesting was them and

[6:59:47] West Valley came in at the same time. We

[6:59:50] reviewed both of them and one was

[6:59:52] >> we it was a worthwhile opportunity with

[6:59:55] Wasatch Community Gardens, but West

[6:59:56] Valley you went through this a couple

[6:59:58] times with them, right?

[7:00:00] >> So,

[7:00:01] >> okay. So, uh you you've given direction,

[7:00:03] you've seen your scores. If you feel

[7:00:05] like this is okay, we'll keep this. So,

[7:00:06] you've done two. And then third thing

[7:00:08] would be for y'all to uh make a motion

[7:00:11] and vote on planning recommendations for

[7:00:13] 2027. Again, the way they get paid uh

[7:00:16] 2027 we would start their payments next

[7:00:18] year in June and we finish it in April

[7:00:21] of 28.

[7:00:21] >> Okay. So that point of order. So we're

[7:00:24] basically voting that essentially we're

[7:00:26] going to fund all of these except for

[7:00:28] tree Utah

[7:00:29] >> the top 22 scores.

[7:00:31] >> Right. But with the cautions except so

[7:00:34] the fact that they get a caution and

[7:00:35] warning doesn't mean that they don't get

[7:00:36] funded. It's just correct.

[7:00:37] >> Okay. So, we're not having to make that

[7:00:39] distinction. And then their funding is

[7:00:41] going to be based on the QE.

[7:00:42] >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think I'll share that

[7:00:44] with y'all uh when I we have to

[7:00:45] calculate the council. Council wants to

[7:00:46] see it's projections remember because we

[7:00:48] have to wait for the revenue to come in.

[7:00:50] But we can share that packet.

[7:00:51] >> So, I'll ask for a motion. I move that

[7:00:54] we recommend funding for

[7:00:57] >> the top 22.

[7:00:58] >> Top 22 or

[7:01:00] >> without except except for Utah

[7:01:03] >> plus

[7:01:07] » the zoological.

[7:01:08] >> Oh, sorry. Okay. I'm not I'm not going

[7:01:10] to do the motion. [laughter]

[7:01:11] >> No, you just did it. You

[7:01:12] >> just did it.

[7:01:13] >> You just did it.

[7:01:14] >> Really?

[7:01:16] >> So, I understood what your motion said.

[7:01:19] >> So, just to clarify. Okay. There's been

[7:01:21] a motion and a second to fund all 25 of

[7:01:25] the

[7:01:26] >> 22 plus the zoologicals,

[7:01:28] >> right? You have to

[7:01:30] >> we're here.

[7:01:31] >> Yeah. Three zoologicals, 22 others.

[7:01:34] Okay. Of the top groups. Okay. Everybody

[7:01:38] vote in favor.

[7:01:39] >> I Okay.

[7:01:43] » Any opposed? Okay. Funding approved for

[7:01:46] 25 three

[7:01:49] in one day. And guys, we're not

[7:01:52] squirrel. We're not squirrel.

[7:01:55] >> Look at you guys.

[7:01:56] >> We had cookies. We had breakfast.

[7:01:58] >> Such a conversion to spend 15 hours

[7:02:00] within the organization and try to

[7:02:02] review it in 8 minutes.

[7:02:03] >> She called me grand information. Keep it

[7:02:05] in your brain. [laughter]

[7:02:06] >> Again, the staff, the fact that you put

[7:02:08] this together made.

[7:02:11] >> Yes.

[7:02:14] I'll make two.

[7:02:15] >> You seem to capture everybody's

[7:02:16] sentiment within this because we had

[7:02:19] seven.

[7:02:20] >> I wanted to print it out so much.

[7:02:23] I I want to make a couple comments and I think someone can call for a journ if

[7:02:26] you don't mind, Mr. Um wanted me to

[7:02:29] remind you that you're going to come to

[7:02:30] something for us next year. Um our 30th

[7:02:32] anniversary, our 30th birthday party.

[7:02:34] She is planning it. The date

[7:02:37] >> uh March 4th.

[7:02:38] >> March 4th.

[7:02:39] >> We will send you save the dates. There

[7:02:41] will be former board members, current

[7:02:42] board members, uh grantees. We're going

[7:02:45] to try and get um Matt and obviously Rob

[7:02:48] in there, but it's going to be a fun

[7:02:49] event with some programs, some

[7:02:50] interactive activities, uh some

[7:02:52] pictures, things like that. So, please

[7:02:54] March 4th, Thursday, we will send a save

[7:02:55] the date. Give us another minute to to

[7:02:57] secure what time we're going to hold it

[7:02:58] at and maybe some other themes.

[7:03:00] >> But it is our 30th anniversary. Um, and

[7:03:02] then uh thank you and please continue

[7:03:05] sending to Dustin uh your pictures of

[7:03:08] the events that you go to, things that

[7:03:10] you participate in as well. Keep on

[7:03:11] asking for those free tickets and get

[7:03:13] there. Get

[7:03:14] >> Would you remind us when the working

[7:03:15] group is getting together?

[7:03:17] >> September 3rd, we're going to physically

[7:03:18] get together in this room here. If you

[7:03:20] want to be part of the working group,

[7:03:21] >> that's 1 p.m.

[7:03:23] >> 11:30 a.m.

[7:03:25] Yes. Yes. But I have to do via Zoom or

[7:03:28] what? That's okay. That's okay. So 10

[7:03:31] September 30,

[7:03:31] >> we'll get you an agenda before that

[7:03:33] meeting. We'll get you draft documents.

[7:03:35] Buddy's working on some things. I'm

[7:03:37] working on some things. Working on

[7:03:38] things to get you guys stuff. Mostly

[7:03:40] it's focused on 1031. We'll be honest.

[7:03:42] We're going to kind of start with that.

[7:03:43] That's the bad boy that you start with

[7:03:45] and then we'll kind of uh work with like

[7:03:48] >> the board bylaws and the um other

[7:03:51] things. Does that make sense?

[7:03:52] >> September 3rd, next Thursday.

[7:03:55] >> And again, that's voluntary. So far,

[7:03:56] we've had two tier ones, uh, pet don,

[7:04:00] and three tier twos. But you're always

[7:04:01] welcome to come and just put in a

[7:04:02] quorum. So, for this group, let's not go

[7:04:04] up to four. Let's keep it at three. If

[7:04:06] you decide to come at the last minute,

[7:04:07] just call us, let us know. So, we make

[7:04:09] sure it's not. Um, and then I would

[7:04:11] conclude besides the thank you mentioned

[7:04:13] earlier is this is Peter's last meeting

[7:04:14] after six years and two terms on tier

[7:04:17] one. This is his first or last meeting

[7:04:19] there. Now, we'll see him at the holiday

[7:04:20] party because he will come.

[7:04:21] >> Yes, the holiday.

[7:04:23] >> We do not. That That's the one. the five different boards or six different

[7:04:27] boards. I can't remember how we have it,

[7:04:28] but just thank you.

[7:04:30] >> Thank you all staff and thank you for

[7:04:32] this board and we've had you know some

[7:04:35] changes the board but it's been really

[7:04:36] rewarding to work with all of you and

[7:04:38] get to know you a little bit better even

[7:04:39] though we don't have that many

[7:04:40] opportunities to meet but uh and thank

[7:04:43] you for all your thoughtful critical

[7:04:44] thinking. You made me think about a lot

[7:04:46] of things so it's great. So it's a real

[7:04:48] honor to be part of this group.

[7:04:50] >> What kind of dance class do you want to

[7:04:51] take at Amanda?

[7:04:53] >> [laughter]

[7:04:54] >> She's got them all. She got all the

[7:04:56] styles.

[7:04:56] >> Really?

[7:04:57] >> Some hip-hop,

[7:04:59] >> theater, jazz,

[7:05:01] >> jazz hands.

[7:05:02] >> Yes.

[7:05:03] >> That [laughter] we've all mastered.

[7:05:07] » Okay. Yeah. I make a motion to adjourn.

[7:05:08] Do we have a second?

[7:05:10] >> Second.

[7:05:10] >> Okay.

[7:05:11] >> All in favor? We are.

[7:05:13] >> Yeah.

[7:05:19] » Dangerbody.

[7:05:23] He doesn't need more

[7:05:26] code.

ZAP TI&Z All Day Review Advisory Board Mtg August 27, 2026

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