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[0:27] gender, does anybody have any comments that we should make?

[0:30] Let's see any.

[0:31] Moving on to our consent agenda for 26 Captain Bangs Road,

[0:35] AR-26-77, make a motion.

[0:38] May 2 approve item 5A on the consent agenda?

[0:41] Second.

[0:41] All those are favorite?

[0:42] Aye.

[0:42] Chair votes aye.

[0:43] Motion passes unanimously.

[0:45] Next, we request for determination back to the lead for 21 high point drive,

[0:48] Vicki L.Weber, Trustee and David E. Burman.

[0:50] Mr. Steven Poison addition to a single family dwelling within the buffer to land subject to flooding.

[1:04] Hi, I'm Vicki Weber. This is my husband David Berman.

[1:09] I'm going to just go over the project you have before us.

[1:12] Sure, we are renovating a 1963 house that's had some awkward renovations in the past,

[1:20] and as part of that we're building a new entryway that faces the driveway,

[1:26] which we'll add about 150 square feet.

[1:28] It'll be a small mudroom with internal stairs leading up to the main floor of the house,

[1:33] which will allow us to get rid of some external deck stairs that are now used as the main entry.

[1:41] So it'll be easier and safer.

[1:45] And then as part of the due diligence around getting the permit,

[1:51] it was discovered that the FEMA flood map indicates that there is a flood zone that comes up about three quarters of the way up an 85 foot tall.

[2:04] And so the buffer for that goes to outside the bounds of the addition, which is what brings us here tonight.

[2:15] Okay.

[2:16] All right.

[2:16] Bill?

[2:17] Yeah.

[2:18] Gabby was interacting on this one and did a very nice job.

[2:23] What Vicki is saying is all correct.

[2:26] I just wanted to add in a couple of other things.

[2:29] So there was one permanent structures that we've talked about in the commission.

[2:32] Now we'll come in and roll in on good time and so on.

[2:36] I just want to pick up a couple of other things.

[2:37] I do not affect this project, but down the road, they might, so I decided to bring them up.

[2:42] So we could use dimensions in general on the project's

[2:45] Commissioner's Slope is asked for that in the past.

[2:48] Doesn't affect this particular project, but going forward.

[2:51] The impervious is only 467 square feet, so it's under the threshold for a minor stormwater

[2:56] permit, so that's great.

[2:57] And that was on the plan.

[2:59] It was a small discrepancy between the delineation date that Paul Shay provided which was 10, 21, 20, 25, and what's on the plan.

[3:08] No big deal, but that's sometimes that matters.

[3:12] Box B was not checked, so they're not asked for the delineation.

[3:16] The site plan also should include prior to habitat, but in this case the priority habitat is well downgradient of the proposed work.

[3:24] That might affect some of the other work.

[3:26] That's all I have. I would suggest approval. This one is a little tricky because it has a very unique thing

[3:34] This is a by law only jurisdiction so a positive five a positive six for the work under the by law only and a negative number three in the buffer.

[3:44] Okay.

[3:45] Okay.

[3:45] Move.

[3:46] Questions for the commissioners?

[3:47] No. It's hearing any of that. I get a motion.

[3:49] Move to approve a positive determination number five for the by law positive determination number six for work and by law only.

[3:55] And a negative determination number three for work in the buffer zone to land subject to flooding for the construction of an addition at 21 high point dry with standard special conditions.

[4:04] Second, all those in favor?

[4:05] Aye.

[4:05] Chair votes aye.

[4:06] Motion.

[4:06] All right. Thank you.

[4:08] Thank you.

[4:09] All right. Next.

[4:10] We have an announcement.

[4:11] 10 for 145.

[4:11] Shabon Lane.

[4:39] Okay.

[4:41] Are you being jealous?

[4:43] Are you leaving?

[4:46] For the record.

[4:47] I'm John O'Reilly.

[4:48] back again with me tonight, tonight is which are any Riley from North Cross Riley.

[4:54] We met two weeks ago, the ward authorized staff to generate draft conditions which we got today.

[5:07] Theresa Spray is also on the line. She wasn't able to come in person, but she did provide a

[5:13] updated up-to-date restoration plan, which I think

[5:19] addressed the two-to-one requirement that the commission

[5:22] has for, and I also revised the plan to eliminate

[5:27] all reference to pathway, and then revise the bank

[5:31] due to delineation as it was now rated last time around.

[5:37] So with that, that's what the changes were.

[5:39] I was requested by the Commission and I'm going to leave it and turn it over to the

[5:44] little to talk about the waters.

[5:46] Thank you.

[5:47] Good evening.

[5:51] So the biggest question I have is how the ATF and paragraph number five and I haven't had

[6:04] a chance to talk to Bill about this at all.

[6:07] I've got a couple of comments that are technical for the blue flag stuff.

[6:11] Do you want me to do that later or now?

[6:14] We want to leave here for a minute.

[6:16] They applicant first.

[6:18] Thank you very much.

[6:20] So, paragraph five, talks about proposed vegetative management, including invasive control,

[6:27] associated native plantings.

[6:29] A sequence to take place after the restoration plantings have achieved 100% succession.

[6:35] And five years of annual monitoring have been submitted,

[6:41] so that means the vegetative management

[6:45] can't begin for at least five years after the day to the order,

[6:52] which Theresa Spray,

[6:55] who hopefully will be able to speak to this, is indicated that she doesn't think that

[7:14] I don't know that we have any specific objection to any of the conditions, but, you know, typically orders have a life of three years.

[7:30] I mean, this is sort of if you go on for a long time and we're not necessarily objecting to that. So much it's just wondering why the proposed legislative management can't begin.

[7:47] Now when we start all the work, why would it have to wait essentially five years?

[7:55] I had a week, you want us to talk about it, or do you want to worry about it?

[8:00] I mean, I don't personally, I don't see why they need to play it, and then wait five

[8:05] years before they can start any of the work on it.

[8:10] It was my understanding, unless I missed something last meeting, there were two issues,

[8:15] the path in the trees.

[8:18] And that was it.

[8:20] So, and this is new to me,

[8:24] two, three sacks to guarantee it.

[8:26] Whatever protocol she wants to file, it's fine with me.

[8:29] All right, I don't see why we need to make the, put the plants in, wait five years before you can start any of the.

[8:36] And base of through the shack, could you want to talk, ask Teresa, she has any input on that.

[8:40] Well, I mean, can we just remove that five year.

[8:43] Yes, you can, you can cut him taste, you can do what you want.

[8:47] You have two options. You have sort of standard, you have the ATF, which has everything that.

[8:52] All right, so why don't we turn it up as a force.

[8:54] I kept this close as possible.

[8:56] Okay, let's scratch that one out and put the regular one.

[9:02] So, five is real.

[9:03] Okay.

[9:07] So, everything related to that within the orders sequencing oriented would go.

[9:13] I can find all that.

[9:13] I think that that becomes more like the standard one.

[9:20] You have any other?

[9:20] I think we're objecting to the five years and the fact of waiting.

[9:24] Oh, great.

[9:25] It's embedded in a couple places and understand what you're going to do.

[9:27] Yeah, I think we're scratching that waiting the five years.

[9:33] Great.

[9:38] You know, I don't think we have any other.

[9:40] All right, Bill, is there anything else you want to go over?

[9:44] I just would like to make sure that we have a couple things on the plans

[9:49] and at least covered by the commission.

[9:52] So let me grab some notes.

[9:53] I think you can chance to share this with John.

[9:55] North Teresa, so sorry, I see the plan.

[9:58] It's just like what's not able to.

[10:00] All right, so they didn't present anything on off-site,

[10:02] rates of access, stuff for access, documentation.

[10:06] John's plan shows that the path that was previously

[10:10] shown off-site is now not going off-site.

[10:13] So we need that to be balanced out with blue flags.

[10:17] Blue flags has the walking path going off-site.

[10:21] So that would be best to have that eliminated

[10:23] because the three documents that are going to be called out in the orders will be the

[10:28] John O'Reilly Plan, the Blue Flax Plan, and then the land management narrative, so they

[10:34] should be consistent.

[10:36] So Blue Flax still has a walk ahead.

[10:40] Oh, absolutely.

[10:40] Perhaps you haven't seen the most recent Blue Flax Plan, they're following the most recent

[10:47] site plan done by John.

[10:48] The date that you have is revised August 26 and they do have some shading on this side where the path was but the path itself is not on

[11:06] There's a line I thought proposed to see nuts proposed footpath the beach it says on this

[11:14] 826 I'm going to show it in a second the label is there yeah so I would see that can just get scratched out

[11:20] That's easy to be taken off so I'm having a ton of life trying to figure out what it goes

[11:31] Okay,

[11:34] so that would be one thing that I think maybe nobody disagrees with.

[11:39] You can correct that.

[11:40] I want you on your plan.

[11:42] Only one tiny thing.

[11:45] Under the reference to the epsilon.

[11:48] Under well-known note one.

[11:50] Yeah, I see the plan.

[11:51] The report 1114-2025, but he had two others.

[11:55] He had one on April 2, 2026, and he had an August 11, 2026.

[12:02] I think for the full delineation, it would be good to have that on there.

[12:06] Okay.

[12:07] No problems then.

[12:10] So, coastal weather, shelter, you check the box on, be in a while.

[12:14] I didn't see that.

[12:15] Commission, do you want that in any way, shape or form, please tell me, because if you don't,

[12:18] that's why it would be okay.

[12:21] All right.

[12:23] So let's skip down one, now down to blue flags, the plan number four, one, two, three, this one, right here, sometimes when I highlight this it messes it up, but at least I have it.

[12:39] It says invasive planets will be selectively treated with an EPA approved system at herbicide and remove a carrier by hand.

[12:48] typically the commission says cut and swipe and that's the end of it. So is that with the commission wants what they have there or they work cut and so I thought it says on our order of conditions is cut and swipe.

[13:03] We could leave this alone and then that we can not cover that under the order of conditions.

[13:07] Nobody's saying is that they're registered back and forth and continues to say fully or in several places.

[13:12] It's going to come up a couple of times, but I do agree with the chair.

[13:16] The language in one of the conditions is modified, which will modify everything, including John O'Reilly's plan and Teresa's plan.

[13:23] So, we could leave it, but I'm bringing it up.

[13:25] Okay, so it's covered in underneath.

[13:27] Okay, so we'll put that down as covered under.

[13:30] I think it's A16, I believe.

[13:34] Let me just verify.

[13:38] Yes, A6K covers that.

[13:42] Now, let's see, bullet 12 down here of B5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 12, 12, okay.

[13:50] Two native trees will be planted right here.

[13:55] To replace the previously cut dead trees, et cetera.

[13:58] But the table shows down here four.

[14:02] That's going to be a little confusing.

[14:03] Should that be changed to four?

[14:06] So that one gets changed to Lisa.

[14:09] Yeah.

[14:09] Number 12.

[14:11] Change to four.

[14:12] Change to three.

[14:15] All right.

[14:16] Got that one.

[14:19] So, Theresa, next thing here is,

[14:22] John O'Reilly's plan, which I'll go to now.

[14:25] Matches with the epsilon plan on the coastal banks.

[14:29] See how it closes off in here, hovering right below the word,

[14:33] and this was picked up at the last meeting. John has closed it off to match F-flon.

[14:39] Your state is open.

[14:42] But my understanding is that Jack Piccaro's F-flon is the driver here.

[14:47] So this area here she closes off.

[14:50] We'll pick the updated plan from John O'Reilly.

[14:53] Okay. You could do that, but consistency is a beautiful thing.

[14:57] And I would recommend that you get to close off.

[14:58] Yeah.

[15:00] So that's what I'm saying. We'll have to get an updated CAD file from John O'Reilly. Our plan basically uses John's plan as our base. So we might just need to update a line from John's plan. We can absolutely do that.

[15:12] Okay. Okay. The next things are, I just go through them quickly. So I'm looking at, I guess we get out of this one here. Stop the share. This is going to be fine.

[15:22] Then we'll give that to just a document, let's get you on the land management plan, here we go.

[15:32] Will remove all references to fully released on your order of conditions.

[15:36] We can do one of the two things. I can read what looks like 12 bullets.

[15:41] Or I just send them to you and you take care of them.

[15:43] Yeah, they're all in the timeline. I'm looking at them right now. I just did a quick search.

[15:48] So we can certainly change that language.

[15:52] Basically, we call it foliar spot application because we're dripping on to the folage, but we will remove that if that's what's required in your work.

[16:01] It's quite in sleep.

[16:02] All right, so there's a reference to a skid steer and paid six of this.

[16:07] This is a sense of habitat.

[16:10] There's no, there's no, the only mechanical removal would be cruning.

[16:14] And so, and that's of any existing need of vegetation

[16:18] that needs regenerative pruning.

[16:22] We need to have a note that washed up with stairs

[16:25] and fencing what we cut into pieces

[16:27] with a small sock, carried up by hand of the pat,

[16:30] loaded into a truck and disposed off site.

[16:33] But I will search, and if there's a reference

[16:35] to skid stair, we will remove it.

[16:37] Okay, so it's on that first paragraph fourth line,

[16:41] so it's right here.

[16:42] So I think we do have to clarify that we will have a brush can stationed in the driveway and in order to get the debris that's being removed from the eastern side of the coastal bank, which is the debris that was dumped over time, we're going to need to have a small skid steer in the driveway in order to load the brush can.

[17:03] in the driveway. Okay. Um, so which do you want me to clarify that in the land management plan that a small skits dare in the driveway?

[17:11] Okay. Yeah.

[17:12] To a brush can stationed in the driveway for removal.

[17:14] Yeah, guys.

[17:15] It's going with the pre-con. I would like that. It would help the agent sell out and everything coming forward. Yes. That would be great.

[17:20] Um, it's the commission of juxtapes. It's fine. Okay. Just put it in as in the driveway. That makes it a lot better.

[17:26] Okay, the chainsaw cutting down in the resource area, typically on the construction of stairs,

[17:35] the resource area is a no-no for cutting, is you're at a 50 and oftentimes at 50 to 100.

[17:42] What could be an alternative to that, or does the commission worry themselves with this?

[17:46] Well, I'll see if I've got a machine down there to remove those stairs, so I don't know if they're going to be clear.

[17:49] Very doubtful.

[17:50] they didn't know we shouldn't have caught them up and carry them up.

[17:53] Yeah. Okay.

[17:54] So carry them up?

[17:56] Okay.

[17:57] Yeah, that's what we were imagining these on not, first of all, not having access to bring equipment down there.

[18:04] And secondly, knowing the commission does not want us to bring nor do we want to bring equipment into that sensitive area.

[18:09] So we'll use the saws all, cut them into pieces very quickly, and then just until their manageable size to carry up a hand.

[18:16] Okay.

[18:16] That's fine.

[18:17] I don't know.

[18:18] All right.

[18:20] We'll cut and carry.

[18:22] All right.

[18:25] The resource series, you don't have Dune in bank under 310 CMR.

[18:31] We've called out 10.57, which is boarding land sub-defletting, not the land sub-declosed

[18:37] to storm flowage, and then I don't see chapter 172, 203, Dune, or 205 bank in the document.

[18:45] I'm sure it's compatible and he intended to be, but she's not in there.

[18:50] So, um...

[18:50] Is this on her?

[18:51] Or John O'Reilly's plan, it does.

[18:52] This is all on the blue flags.

[18:54] You know, on the blue flags plan just has to match up with John's.

[18:58] And I thought we're burning.

[19:00] Well, I'm not sure.

[19:01] Okay, I'm sorry about that.

[19:03] So, sorry.

[19:04] Yeah, we do address some of the performance standards in this particular one.

[19:08] I see that he's addressed the riverfront area in coastal beaches,

[19:11] and you want us to add the coastal dune

[19:14] And the Brewster Wetlands Regulation, this is 310CMR, and you want us to add Brewsters.

[19:21] Yeah, I can give you a list. I mean, I think it would be good to have that, you know, it isn't in there.

[19:25] It's been delineated through epsilon, but all 3 should have it.

[19:30] So, and-

[19:31] So, well, we'll include, well, we'll include B-W-R for coastal dune, and we've got coastal beach.

[19:38] When the beach goes to the storm of blow, it goes to the coastal beach and coastal bank.

[19:45] Right. I'll say you'll see you having it. You'll make it easy. It sounds like a couple of

[19:48] commissions been comfortable with a couple of things. You said the skits here in the driveway

[19:52] no problem. The saws all down in the area cutting and then carrying out no problem. Those are

[19:58] the big ones and then everything else is just housekeeping. Okay. All right.

[20:04] You put your something you want to say? No. Oh. Anybody else? Any questions or concerns?

[20:09] Not hearing any of the night, but that's well-confirm motion.

[20:12] Well, are we just double check for a second?

[20:16] Are we looking for our motion to continue our motion to close?

[20:19] Can we close?

[20:20] Can we close?

[20:21] We've got green on everything.

[20:23] I thought that was the whole thing.

[20:24] I thought that was being about to build a computer.

[20:27] The play of the new special conditions are adequate if you kill long sequence.

[20:32] Yep, okay fine.

[20:33] We're having a close.

[20:35] We're thrilled to close.

[20:36] So do you want these changes by noon on Friday?

[20:39] We can have these changes to your venue for the party.

[20:42] Okay, all right so move to close the public hearing.

[20:45] reci9, 2004, DBVB,related averp booster LLC, LEDJB Dream LLC.

[20:51] At 145 Chapman Laneveer, and instruct the conservation administrator to finalize the orders

[20:59] of conditions to include changes to the blueanka school plan and the VISTA Pop Plan as well

[21:09] changes to the plan of record by noon on Friday, the 11th Friday, September 11th,

[21:17] 206.

[21:18] Yes, second.

[21:19] Follow some favorite.

[21:20] Aye.

[21:20] I've got time.

[21:21] Motion passes in.

[21:22] Thanks, guys.

[21:23] Thank you very much.

[21:25] All right.

[21:26] Thank you.

[21:28] Okay.

[21:28] Next, we have $1.99 and $2.83, Hamilton Park with COVID-19.

[21:36] This is Gary, and

[21:59] after noon again, evening, Joe.

[22:02] The record I'm John O'Reilly to my right is Karen.

[22:06] Nalkis Benjamin.

[22:08] This Benjamin, who's one of the owners down in this neck of the woods.

[22:12] Also with us is Paul Shae, who's been with us

[22:16] since the beginning of the project,

[22:18] flagging wetlands and so forth and observing.

[22:21] So we're here tonight to start the process of permitting and after the fact action.

[22:31] Of a partial covert replacement on Hamilton Cartway.

[22:38] The work was done to an effort to improve access

[22:44] down Hamilton Cartway. The request of fire department and some other people in town including the owners who were concerned.

[22:54] Karen brings an excellent wealth of experience and history from the area. So if you have any questions on past,

[23:01] Practices in condition you can certainly ask the question.

[23:05] We engaged Paul to flag the wetland and I'll turn it over to him in a few minutes to talk about the wetland and the planting plan in general.

[23:14] But what we've ended up doing is we have been watching the cover through the winter and spring,

[23:20] and this spring there was documented flow through the cover once the spring spring waters, if you will,

[23:27] reach the certain elevation that allowed water to go from Greenland pond into the ditch and then

[23:33] ultimately to Longpond. Right now I believe the ditch is dry.

[23:42] So we're actually leaving it

[23:46] basically as you see it today with the improved width that address fire departments concern.

[23:53] We're not planning to do any work on the callover itself since it appears to be working

[23:57] but we are proposing plantings, and how Karen and Paul came up with the planting plan was we tried to put species that were already growing out there because of some success and also position them to allow fishermen that use this ditch if you will conduit between long pond and greenland pond to bring fishing, you know, kayak or canoe or a small skiff to fish and greenland pond.

[24:27] and back again. So we felt it could not put plants all over the shoreline that will ultimately

[24:34] get trampled by use. So at this point, I'll have Paul bring up the wetlands and what

[24:41] he found and we can take any questions of the commission as.

[24:49] The up-good evening, Paul, share with independent environmental consultants. I think I would

[24:54] brought into this product back in December, 2025, what we have is we're Hamilton Cartways, the northern

[25:05] boundary of the Cartway borders right on Greenland pond, which is a great pond. And there

[25:14] is the position of the new culvert under the roadway, which then discharges into a ditch

[25:23] on the southern side, or southern side of Hamilton Carway, where there's a low-lying area

[25:34] that was once a cramberry bog on the southern side of the roadway. It is grown back now to be

[25:41] border-in-vegetated wetland, fairly straight ditch running right through it all the way to

[25:48] two long pond so it connects into long pond. That area will be a border-in-vegetated wetland

[25:56] and an intermittent stream which flows out, it goes dry every summer. As they just

[26:11] We have intermittent stream, we have an order of vegetative wetland, which was once in a little cranberry,

[26:20] bog and production.

[26:22] And my understanding is the actual straight intermittent stream was actually put in by mosquito control a long time ago.

[26:31] like back in the 50s or early 60s, and we were originally had more plantings on the northern

[26:42] side of the roadway, Hamilton Parkway, in the area where I guess that's where the fishermen

[26:50] put their canoes and we're all off so whatever they, so we noticed that a lot of the rock

[26:57] was actually moving down a slope, chipped rock into the pond because the dragging in there.

[27:03] So we decided to take the planting out in that area.

[27:08] We only have a couple on the south side, but there is room if we need to to do more on the

[27:13] south side.

[27:16] It was just the question mark.

[27:18] I know that Chris Miller had brought up the one of the conferences that we had, the issue

[27:24] trying to provide some sort of access for the fishermen, those

[27:29] a question of whether we're trucking them maybe even try to create a small

[27:33] pathway for them to do it, but I believe they've been sort of using that

[27:38] area the bank for a long time to access to put in canoes and so forth, so

[27:45] that's pretty much why we took the plantings out of that area.

[27:50] I'm happy to answer any questions.

[27:52] I mean, everything in this project is either in, you know, a resource area of buffer zones

[27:57] to the booster conservation commission, or a GEP wetlands and natural heritage at the

[28:05] lead John just got a letter from natural heritage at the end of that last week, stating that

[28:12] they've only been in problems with the project, that Chivian booster conservation commission

[28:17] files at this point, and I believe was still waiting for key back from division, I mean

[28:25] fisheries, and also, I believe we've got a file number from DEAP. I could be wrong.

[28:33] We actually did hear from division and rein fisheries. You folks should have received whatever

[28:38] of some sort. All right, Bill? Yeah, they sent an email, which I forwarded up to the commission

[28:45] And it's in the record.

[28:46] They don't have any specific requests.

[28:50] They'd like to see'd be a fish passage,

[28:52] but there's a whole different project so they didn't want to go into that.

[28:56] And natural heritage said no adverse take,

[28:58] and no adverse effect on the resource areas.

[29:03] Leaving the end to the local back in 2025,

[29:07] I asked around the departments if they would give feedback.

[29:11] The fire department did give feedback, they had a concern, they were not sure that they were able to

[29:18] service the area, they're letters dated October 27, 2025 because it was not support of

[29:26] potentially of their equipment and their larger vehicles for life safety reasons.

[29:34] The police department was in kind matching up with the fire department, DPW did the same,

[29:40] the town engineer said that it needed a stamped plan by an engineer that you have

[29:44] now provided that.

[29:48] And then the question is, you don't necessarily have public safety, but typically you get

[29:54] comments from natural heritage, mass DMF, different town departments, and the...

[30:00] One that's sticking is, do you have that safety element? And so I appreciate the engineering on this and the planning approach and so on.

[30:12] It didn't need to be extensive because there's so many plants in there you actually have to cut them back or on the road constantly.

[30:19] But the fire department's component is important. And I think that that's something the commission should review a little bit more and take into consideration.

[30:30] Um, I just have one cut, this, the, the front of our was 20, our October 27, 20, 25, when it was the work done.

[30:39] I'll, I'll get, it was done before this September.

[30:42] Oh, okay, 20, 25, I thought it was after that.

[30:44] All right, so this kind of followed suit.

[30:48] And it's taken a little while to get the underlying going, but they did it.

[30:52] There was another, um, recent covert that was done at 2628 Main Street.

[30:57] It was pretty rigorously reviewed and rebuilt to meet the Commission's requirements, both the

[31:04] fire department and the building department were consulted, like David Sleson, due to a term

[31:08] and if they had comments and neither had comments, so compared to here, we had comments

[31:12] fairly, they didn't, they just want to point that out.

[31:16] So it makes me wonder if something maybe to equalize might be helpful and perhaps annual monitoring

[31:24] report signed by a red professional engineer stating that it's functioning as

[31:31] designed, et cetera, might be helpful to the commission because the

[31:34] pirate book was worried, obviously. And I'm just throwing something out. It's

[31:38] just something to solve that. That possible cost of possible consideration for

[31:45] the commission. So again, you don't have public safety yet, but it should be in

[31:51] in my personal opinion regulations, but that's down the road.

[31:55] So, you have the department's comments.

[31:59] It has been engineered.

[32:00] That meets the town engineers requirements.

[32:04] I have an idea of looking at it, John Solid.

[32:07] So, what am I going to do there, right?

[32:10] So, good.

[32:12] I got to comment.

[32:13] So, the pipe that's there now is the same pipe

[32:17] that when the yours, and eventually did it,

[32:20] has been changed.

[32:22] No, it's a clay tile pipe that's there still.

[32:25] Okay, because when I first went down there to see that,

[32:28] I looked in both sides that I could see no daylight on either side.

[32:32] It's not that big of a bite, but I couldn't see it and coming through.

[32:36] So how much water was going through that?

[32:42] It was a little strange.

[32:43] I have a video if you'd like to see, but it was enough flow that there were fish in there,

[32:47] not ill-wifers to early when there was water, but there were fish.

[32:50] they were small, and I would say at least four, five inches.

[32:56] Because my concern is, it was a done properly.

[33:01] And why do we leave it like that?

[33:04] It should be at least something in there.

[33:06] It's not going to collapse.

[33:08] You have to still clay pipe in there.

[33:10] I know how some of us, the ADS and the other half

[33:14] is the old clay pipe on one side, which

[33:16] is going to fail, and it's going to continue to fail.

[33:19] It should be, you know, constant to the whole thing, something we know that's not going to,

[33:24] you know, crush and that all clay pipe doesn't have any weight rating on it.

[33:30] So the, you know, the ADS is as weight rating.

[33:35] You know, you have no, I mean, I don't know how you can engineer that.

[33:38] There's no, how do you engineer something? You have unknown.

[33:42] Well, the only thing that we could add to that is the case,

[33:46] is that, you know, since this repair was done in August 7, 2025, there have been oil trucks,

[33:54] gropane tanks, several emergency vehicles down through here. The fire department has come

[34:01] down because of an emergency past this culvert. So, you know, we did talk about, you know,

[34:10] looking at the structural integrity of the pipe. It really is no way to qualify it without

[34:15] pulling it out and looking, you know, uncovering it. So we kind of let, you know, time, answer some questions

[34:23] for us, we're in, you know, it has flown, it water does flow through it, so it is, it is producing

[34:30] flow when the water levels are at the correct height, and it hasn't collapsed in the last 12 months.

[34:40] So this permit is good for three years, and I think part of a close-out could be an inspection of the culvert.

[34:49] Maybe not every annual leave, but at the completion of the permit is part of the close-out that, you know, you take a look at it in another three years.

[34:59] It's all I can do.

[34:59] Yeah, that's a response to that.

[35:01] Yeah, and my thought process is, well, everything's been disturbed, why don't we,

[35:07] what does it get fixed right?

[35:09] And it's not really going to take that much to fix it right, and put it on the PC ADS,

[35:13] and couple what they put in there.

[35:16] I mean, that's, I hate to just leave something like that.

[35:19] And next year, we have a few years later, we have another problem.

[35:22] And it's like, what don't we fix it right?

[35:24] So I'm not going to cost so much money to do it.

[35:26] I mean, that's my thought process.

[35:28] So everybody's best interests, not the leaves on uncertainty like that.

[35:34] Because that's why I could be wrong, I'm not an engineer, but that's my thought on it.

[35:41] The only thing I'd like to add is EverSource came down and worked on the road for three years.

[35:46] Our three days, our other felt like three years, three days after the blizzard.

[35:49] And they had the biggest spool truck I've ever seen.

[35:52] And it successfully went up and down the road for those three days.

[35:55] So it did bear the weight of an incredible load,

[35:58] even just the ever-sourced trucks themselves were amazing.

[36:02] So we were pretty impressed and glad that it held up.

[36:06] So it was sturdy for at least that experience.

[36:10] But when you agree with me that you should be able to see daylight

[36:12] looking through on that short-loader, right?

[36:15] To be honest with you, in the old days,

[36:17] the kids would go and play it.

[36:18] We never could see through as far as I could tell.

[36:20] I mean, like we would lie down in the...

[36:22] Right, no, I understand that.

[36:24] that's what the executive might, why I'm bringing us up.

[36:27] Because it's failing or it's clogged,

[36:30] or whatever, my guess is it's failing,

[36:32] like so many of these other claypipes.

[36:34] And I, like I said, I would fix it.

[36:38] Because the biggest thing is,

[36:39] we talk about wildlife and all this stuff.

[36:41] Those culverts are an important passage

[36:44] for a lot of turtles and all kinds of stuff.

[36:47] Go up and down those culverts,

[36:50] vertebrates and everything else.

[36:51] And if they can't get through there,

[36:52] and they go over the road and they get run over it.

[36:56] I just think that it should be least fixed properly.

[37:02] That's fine.

[37:02] Can you just one question.

[37:05] Did you ever have a chance to go through the camera to see if any of it was being crushed?

[37:09] A simple drain company could go in.

[37:12] No, we didn't.

[37:16] We talked about one time lining the pipe.

[37:20] We have the camera before that.

[37:21] We met very informally, and quite frankly, this small section of pipe wasn't available to them.

[37:30] And, quite frankly, lining the pipe does nothing to the structural integrity of the pipe.

[37:34] No, that wouldn't, but it does bother me that you can't see daylight from one into another.

[37:41] I was out there during the winter when I looked at it.

[37:44] You know, I couldn't look down through and have Gary had gone down there and can't see daylight.

[37:49] There's either going to be blockage or a flashlight at the other end to see what's going on.

[37:54] You know, I just don't feel comfortable with being a camera.

[37:57] Well, I know that it's crushed.

[38:02] I'll be honest, this, you know, given that we're conservation, this feels a little bit out

[38:07] of our wheelhouse.

[38:09] You know, we have a letter from the fire department saying they have concerns and I get that

[38:13] large trucks have passed over this and, you know, it's, it's sort of like saying, you know,

[38:18] there's going to be a straw that breaks the camel's back.

[38:21] We don't know when that straw is coming or what that straw is going to be.

[38:24] But this feels a lot, I mean, Gary thankfully brought up what the conservation interests

[38:29] Sorry, but this feels like it's a bit out of our jurisdiction is the engineering of this maybe I'm wrong

[38:36] But I'm thinking in terms of yes, if something collapses obviously that becomes a conservation issue

[38:42] But but whether this is is strong enough for a particular piece of equipment

[38:48] I don't see how that's conservation my other question was I'd like just to find out a bit is collapsed

[38:54] Yeah, I mean, that makes sense.

[38:56] Absolutely, going back to Gary's point about animal passage and that sort of thing.

[39:02] But that seems to feel like that's where the conservation interest is and everything

[39:06] and the engineering piece is way beyond me.

[39:10] So I'm not sure what our role is here exactly in making any sort of decision from a conservation

[39:17] perspective on whether this is a adequate structure.

[39:22] You guys know all that stuff, I don't know.

[39:26] Chris?

[39:27] Yeah, Chris, my next research director, to Kim's point, one thing you could do is talk about

[39:33] either ongoing maintenance or the life of the structure.

[39:36] So if they come back next year and is totally failed, what is the commission going to expect?

[39:40] Are they going to expect a minor repair or are they going to expect more like what DMF says,

[39:44] where you actually do some evaluation of what the structure would be, what the wildlife

[39:50] past it's size should be those kind of things.

[39:52] So you could put that, I mean it's special conditions

[39:55] can talk about those kind of things for expectation.

[39:58] If this is only a one year fix, that's much different

[40:00] than like a typical road crossing that you'd

[40:03] hope to have a life of 30, 50, some kind of years.

[40:08] Do you think that Gary, do you think that for like

[40:11] a better term endoscoping the pipe would be a valuable piece

[40:17] of information from the conservation only perspective

[40:19] at this point.

[40:20] Oh, I think it would make it like like a ready route or just everybody has these cameras

[40:25] like this.

[40:27] The cameras are readily available.

[40:29] I mean, you could have had a lot of money to have them see what the, I just, I'm, it just bothers

[40:36] me that it's, you know, I think it's clogged, it could be wrong, but I just, you should be

[40:40] able to see light through that thing and, you know, I couldn't let lay down, I lay down

[40:44] on both sides and looked in there and it's just, you know, I just think it's a shame,

[40:49] So I'm not going to keep popping on it, right?

[40:51] I make it.

[40:51] Well, can we make that?

[40:52] I don't know.

[40:53] Because that's something we can request.

[40:55] That photos of tuition.

[40:57] God, discretionary authority.

[40:59] The special conditions modify everything else.

[41:02] But really just from the concept of conservation, not, you know, we're not here to judge integrity of the structure or its future or anything like that.

[41:12] But really just from the narrow perspective of conservation, I think.

[41:17] And the pipe itself ends from the inlet and the outlet, it's really non-juristic, but on both sides, it's right there.

[41:26] And so you're in the zero to 50 of both of them for the variants.

[41:30] And it's also the flood plate I believe, so it's in the resource area.

[41:35] And that has bearing with regards to compensatory storage and all kinds of things, which I hadn't thought about just yet.

[41:42] So they put fill in, and it's looking like it was in the wetlands.

[41:47] Usually in the buffer zone, you take the buffer zone, and it's in the flood plant, then

[41:53] you have to provide a compensatory storage somewhere else, and potentially they've done that.

[41:58] Well, this was a pre-existing structure.

[41:59] That's just been applied.

[42:00] There was a lot of new material, and then Commissioner Cazer and an earlier, while meeting

[42:05] asked him to take out an apron on the long-pond side, so they took a lot of material out.

[42:10] But that would have been in the resource area because the wetlands were upgrading of that

[42:15] So it's the buffer zone and they probably put some in the buffer zone took up storage

[42:20] And therefore there's some need for comfort storage storage potentially. So you haven't got any of that

[42:27] wrong

[42:28] Yeah, I remember the store I was going to clean

[42:31] Okay, work was done by a contractor partially and then filled. I don't think John or engineer

[42:40] looked at it so in this what is is no sleep pipe that failed what's left is

[42:47] probably going to fail I grew with you 100% carry in Joe it stinks but I'm

[42:54] going by what John says and for now okay and he should take a look at it

[43:00] engineers report at the end of three years and he's got to sign up he's got to

[43:04] guarantee it not us so we can talk about cameras

[43:09] That's not a guarantee.

[43:10] That's not a guarantee.

[43:11] That's not a guarantee.

[43:12] That's not a guarantee.

[43:12] No.

[43:14] That's that.

[43:15] Twenty twenty eight.

[43:16] John O'Reilly looked at the pipe.

[43:18] Exactly.

[43:20] That's what that is.

[43:21] Yeah.

[43:21] It's not going to predict the future.

[43:23] Life of the structure.

[43:25] It's going to really be just a evaluation.

[43:27] That day.

[43:28] Here's what we saw.

[43:29] I mean.

[43:30] There for the conservation.

[43:31] We just want to make sure the water flow.

[43:33] We're not.

[43:34] The integrity of the pipe.

[43:36] You're, we're more concerned about is the water, I know you've seen the pictures, we don't know what's going on in the middle of the road.

[43:43] If it's, so I guess that's the question.

[43:49] Do we want to see it cleared out or do we want to see pictures of it or do we just want it?

[43:56] I mean, I look at it this way.

[43:58] If they come and look what happened with Mr. Sloucher.

[44:01] If they came and they wanted us to get a permit, we'd have gone through the whole thing.

[44:07] And we would have made sure everything was working properly.

[44:12] There's a lot of different things on streams that they want today.

[44:15] And we would make sure everything was right.

[44:18] And we don't have any of that.

[44:19] So I just, I feel that's things total failure.

[44:23] That's my pain.

[44:24] So I mean.

[44:30] Of course.

[44:30] If I could just make one on the comment,

[44:32] to Kim's point about we're not here looking at the structural.

[44:34] I think you can look at the structural from a conservation viewpoint.

[44:37] are they going to be bringing in tons of material to fill, sink holes, is the material spilling

[44:43] into the resource area over time, is it having any of their impact to the direct into the

[44:48] resource area in the buffer zone over time? So is this going to hold up? If this was on a

[44:53] coastal bank, you'd want to make sure the bank isn't damaged when you're walking on the stairs.

[44:56] Those kind of things. So there is some...

[45:00] One point I think the commission can have on whether it's going to be structurally sound for a period of time, or if it's going to require ongoing maintenance.

[45:08] And you could talk about what that means, it's what we require in your special conditions.

[45:12] You know, it allowed to fill potholes with additional material and resource area, but they allowed to grab the rocks that we heard or being knocked down in the resource area and replace them.

[45:22] Those are the kind of things you can put in here to allow them to keep this functional. Everybody wants the road to work. Everybody wants equipment to get through.

[45:30] without having to come in and do a notice of antenna over here.

[45:34] So I heard a lot of stuff that was great.

[45:38] It was a good conversation between Gary and John O'Reilly about the wage and the unknowns and so on.

[45:45] We need a known and I heard the camera multiple times and that provides some level of data about the integrity of the pipe right now.

[45:55] So if it can handle all this stuff, that's wonderful.

[45:57] But like anything, it's going to slowly get crushed, so there needs to be a established standard, and I don't think just having it at the end of the three years, because it could go and get extended, and now it's another three years.

[46:10] And it could get extended again and now it's another three years.

[46:12] So I think a game plan of either, if you don't do it every year, maybe even year or every second year, have some reporting on this, because they're probably going to extend it, or try for ongoing conditions.

[46:25] There also should be something written in based on the standard that, okay, now it's failed, now you do

[46:32] have to repair it, and we have a workable permit that we can work with and going back to a commission

[46:36] or case or it's been saying and do it right. So in other words, you're patching it together,

[46:41] setting the boat's sale, and then suddenly in the middle of the ocean and you're overwhelmed

[46:45] on the top, your engines are out. Oh, we can put in the order conditions if it fails and then

[46:50] That's a good one, that's a really good one.

[46:53] Right, so.

[46:55] Please, John, please.

[46:56] I have a comment, but.

[46:58] The original reason why we repaired the road was because the

[47:02] Bankings were like worn off by the dragging of the boats.

[47:06] So it was very, very narrow.

[47:07] It got down less than nine feet.

[47:10] And that's when we had an emergency and thought we needed to

[47:13] repair it and did it inappropriately.

[47:15] We apologize for that.

[47:16] But it was about the safety of the edging.

[47:18] And since COVID there have been this big influx of people coming through and dragging boats through there.

[47:25] So it is the banking that I'm worried about protecting to from a conservation point of view because there are these big aluminum boats.

[47:35] And when the ditch is dry they go through the middle of the ditch. That's okay.

[47:37] When it's not dry they drag them right along the banks.

[47:41] So I want fishermen to get in there and I ported, I guess, is fair.

[47:45] But what we were worried about was how we managed the resource as of safe road and also with his traffic of people damaging the bank.

[47:57] That was a problem and actually the fire department asked us if we could not make the road wider.

[48:05] He, Mr. Barley, or she farly thought it had gotten narrow.

[48:08] It actually had gone from 9 feet to 11. I think that's what it is now.

[48:11] But he said ideally it would be 20, and so I don't know how that would not work very well either, so

[48:18] That's just part of the reality

[48:22] Cutthroof, you know this I understand the Saudi part

[48:27] The real culprit is not even as in a mouth the guy who did the work you can't tell me someone next to the pond doesn't know to call conservation

[48:39] Through a whole process. We haven't heard a word from him

[48:47] I think. So going forward, well, what do we stand?

[48:56] Well, so I heard that there's a need for more data. That's one thing I heard.

[49:04] I heard that reporting could be done maybe not every year.

[49:08] I suggested every other year to give the commission information and the homeowners.

[49:14] But what do you by reporting you just want to make sure that water is flowing?

[49:16] I was trying to find a standard, I'm not really a pipe expert, I don't have the fish experience you have yet.

[49:23] Through the chair, I don't think it would be unreasonable for have this call somebody that just haven't evaluated the pipe.

[49:29] They can look forward with stuff, but evaluate the pipe and the pipe is clogged or you know, majorly clogged.

[49:37] and we need to not take on a look at it.

[49:40] But let me go ahead and do what they want to do.

[49:42] But one of the stipulations is that it's not a lot of money.

[49:46] I don't know what I'm going to do in a valuable fight.

[49:49] Like John, isn't guaranteed the fight?

[49:52] Well, of course not.

[49:52] Nobody can guarantee it.

[49:54] Nobody can guarantee it.

[49:55] It's like even if the doctor can't guarantee it, you're not going to drop that in the park.

[49:58] He's less of your disgust, it's pre-fabbed.

[50:01] He went through the pain to deal with this in a proposed fashion.

[50:04] And he's got a guarantee because it was engineered to do what it's supposed to do and it's all built in.

[50:11] John is thinking of here.

[50:13] I know John is picking up a severed situation.

[50:16] It's going to best he can.

[50:17] And he's realized to put up through code or separation.

[50:21] You know that.

[50:22] Is there some, and I honestly don't know the answer to this.

[50:25] Is there some regulatory authority that evaluates the safety of a structure like this?

[50:35] There's the stream standards, but that's under perennial stream, and David went through that too, and he kept it out of that, so he would have the flexibility, but he needs to commission standards.

[50:45] Part of the way.

[50:46] Yeah.

[50:47] The part of the department says really just a suggestion.

[50:51] So the commission didn't have the perennial stream, didn't have the stream standards.

[50:56] So the question was, okay, but you will meet the commission's requirements, which is where we are right now.

[51:03] Of course, once again we heard some comments that some of the damage to the bank is being done by others who are visiting the site, dragging boats and things like that.

[51:14] So the commission could also allow perhaps some split rail fence or something else to direct the activity to the one area where you didn't put the plants rather than have them pick all these others.

[51:24] I'm not sure you'd want to put a split rail fence to stop all the boats because they'll just break the fence at that point.

[51:30] But you might want to say how direct the foot traffic to keep it in that one limited area.

[51:34] Or at least put it into this order that they're allowed to add some split rail in this general vicinity.

[51:41] It doesn't have to necessarily be engineered in, but it might be something to allow some permission to keep it to the one area that you think.

[51:48] Can I talk about you?

[51:50] No, I make sense.

[51:53] All right.

[51:54] I just have.

[51:55] Yeah, I mean, basically what I'm hearing is that the commission just wants to make sure that water is flowing through this culvert.

[52:01] You want some kind of evaluation to what candidates to be confirmed?

[52:07] An impedive flow and capacity to be confirmed.

[52:10] That's all.

[52:11] I think comes down to what Commissioner Lerysane, he needs, and I think Commissioner

[52:15] Caryser, I think Commissioner Pearson, and you, of Chair Tobin, and you, Commissioner

[52:19] Sloak, need clear convincing information, and is evaluation by a pipe professional

[52:26] would provide better clear convincing information.

[52:30] We can also think about, and maybe establish special conditions, it would allow for the maintenance component.

[52:36] And then if, if, if there was a problem in it, fill below the standard, whatever it is, then it has to be repaired,

[52:43] per what commissioner can't you say.

[52:47] That strikes a balance.

[52:49] Because it really should be, maybe, start it from the start, but they didn't come to commission first,

[52:54] and we don't need to go back. Everybody spent through that.

[52:56] I

[52:59] just have one point of comment. I mean like I'm looking at this John. Do you plan to add any more stone down to what's there?

[53:09] Just some loan.

[53:10] Put the loan for planting. That's the idea.

[53:13] Using the loan for the planting.

[53:14] I only mentioned that because it actually came and built.

[53:18] We were out there several weeks ago to a site.

[53:22] What's happening is we're doing the filter fabric and they're putting the crushed stone down.

[53:26] You're just putting your legs down and doing a double wash.

[53:30] So what's happening is to filter fabric.

[53:32] Just plug it up on it's failing.

[53:34] And I'll filter the third one this year we've been to.

[53:37] It's just completely, it's something that filters fabric.

[53:41] I know it was the same.

[53:43] You know it's here.

[53:45] It was one of the desperate.

[53:47] And then there was one green on the other side.

[53:49] Yeah, there was another one.

[53:51] Yeah, I did do.

[53:53] It was near one of those town circles.

[53:55] Yes, we are just mentioning it.

[53:58] Thank you, pretty.

[54:00] One more year or so.

[54:02] I thought you were talking out of the carway.

[54:05] I can only think of one other project out there,

[54:06] so I don't know.

[54:07] I think you can grab a lap.

[54:10] So, Bill, do you want to continue?

[54:13] I think that would be wise.

[54:14] Continue so that you can write special conditions.

[54:17] And then they want to provide a pike condition.

[54:22] And I don't know.

[54:23] be commissioner there. You can all be that and I can send it along.

[54:26] What they're looking for.

[54:27] He's got it.

[54:28] It's not really the pipe condition. We're looking for the pipe condition.

[54:31] We'll be indicated. If it's blocked up by clay, the pipe is failing.

[54:36] If it's blocked up by a leaf or a branch or something like that, with the camera, you can just push it right through.

[54:42] I think right now, because we're not pipe experts.

[54:46] I think a camera of the line, as long as it's not underwater, which is not in our area.

[54:50] can be underwater. Well, the camera doesn't really work once it gets underwater.

[54:54] Yeah. Works fine. I push it through anything a human can push out of it.

[54:58] What's the thing is that the line is fine. You can't you lose your picture once it goes underwater.

[55:03] That's a surprise. But anyways, it's a prime right now.

[55:07] Okay. I will I will get someone to camera. Okay.

[55:10] That'll be great.

[55:11] Okay. All right. So.

[55:17] So, we've to continue the public hearing for SC92030 for, oh, sorry, I never mind, I'm sorry on the wrong page.

[55:23] Page five.

[55:24] I got it, got it.

[55:26] Sorry.

[55:28] We've to continue the public hearing for SC9209 for Colvin Nayak at 199 and 23 Hamilton Cartway.

[55:35] And pending arrangement of a inspection of the clay pipe remaining in the culvert as the culvert.

[55:48] And in the meantime, would you like to begin working on the special conditions?

[55:54] Yeah, I can do that.

[55:55] And to have the conservation administrator begin and hopefully complete the special conditions for the project.

[56:04] So I can, all of those in favor.

[56:07] All right.

[56:07] Chair votes aye.

[56:08] Motion passes in here.

[56:09] Thank you very much.

[56:11] All right.

[56:11] Next we have CPI's driving hollow lane.

[56:14] CPI's kind of association.

[56:20] That's good.

[56:21] Let's go.

[56:36] Good evening.

[56:38] I'm sorry.

[56:39] I'm sorry.

[56:40] I'm sorry.

[56:41] With me tonight is Phil Cheney, the landscape architect,

[56:45] and started in the back row from the management company.

[56:50] We were here a couple weeks ago, the Board, the Commissioner to ask for free pieces of information, the notation of a varnal pool of the varnal pool on our site plan, and with Bill's help, we were able to kind of get a shape of it, showing on the plan.

[57:08] The spec sheet for the infill, which you did receive, and then the notation on fills plan regarding the treatment of the locus trees.

[57:18] came up whether we're going to treat them or remove them and I think.

[57:24] Yes, still Tunie just chipping in that, yeah, I have the note on there about pulling

[57:28] mechanically and digging up, you know, roots as practical.

[57:35] Okay, so I was the one who asked for all the products sheets and thank you very much for providing them.

[57:43] It was interesting, the company sent us the crystal and silica, as opposed to the encapsulated.

[57:51] So there was a lot of scary stuff on there about cancer and all the other sorts of things.

[57:56] But we put that to one side because it doesn't really apply in the encapsulated sense.

[58:02] There's very little information about the environmental movement of the infill, and I have no reason

[58:08] to believe that the drainage system, the storm water system, as designed wouldn't adequately

[58:14] handle it. The one thing that looking through the information sort of brought to the forefront

[58:21] was that we're talking about artificial turf. And I had to do a little background work

[58:31] because I seem to remember and I had to go back to the books and remind myself how much microplastic

[58:38] comes off of artificial turf, and it's a lot more than you would think, so if we say that

[58:42] we're putting down correct me if I'm wrong, because I may have read the map wrong or whatever,

[58:47] but it's around 11,000 square feet of astro turf onto this artificial turf, not to use the

[58:57] turn onto this test court. So, going through a few references which I'm happy to provide

[59:03] The, the amount of fiber loss in a year off of

[59:10] As per turf surface is somewhere between 0.5% for very light use and about 1% for higher use.

[59:19] And so if you use the size of the tennis court that you're putting your covering and you,

[59:24] we will call it the light use side of it even with light use.

[59:26] We're talking about 16 pounds of microplastic coming off of the just the turf,

[59:31] not the infill just the grass itself. And as I said, I'm happy to provide the references that I used for that.

[59:41] Putting aside the water, the water transport for a second because as I said, I'm sure that's well designed.

[59:47] We also have air dispersion of these microplastics because they're like little blades of grass.

[59:59] They're

[1:00:00] And whatever we have here on so often on Cape Cog, and with now the confirmation that we've got a sensitive receptor in the area in a qualified

[1:00:15] I think this project is eminently permittable, but I think that I would be a lot more inclined

[1:00:25] to support it if we used a different rebound surface other than turf.

[1:00:33] And I am not an expert on recreational surfaces, but I know that there are many out there that

[1:00:39] can be used with adequate rebound, maybe even better than the turf surface, without carrying

[1:00:45] the risk of microplastic dispersion in a sensitive receptor area.

[1:00:52] That's just my two cents on that.

[1:00:55] So if we could change out that surface to something else, I think it would solve a million

[1:01:01] problems and we could move right through it.

[1:01:08] What the stuff they use on the playground's like down at the drug avoid and that rubbery is not an expert on

[1:01:16] It's really it's really it's really it's really it's really I mean I'm not an expert on our surface, but in terms of micro plastic pollution

[1:01:24] That's that's sort of how

[1:01:27] Running on it moving on it playing on it even lightly

[1:01:31] I think that's the the risk for that particular sensitive area

[1:01:37] So, if there was any possibility of changing it to something that wasn't going to

[1:01:43] flag off every time you run across it and create more, because we're talking about the

[1:01:50] pollution interest in the sense of the receptor in the verbal pool.

[1:01:57] I found very little, uh, educational, logical data to see their N.A. or, you know,

[1:02:07] I says there's no data that suggests, birds, plants, so

[1:02:16] I think what you asked for, I still didn't see it myself.

[1:02:20] Well, it may not exist. I mean, exactly. It may just say that the data don't exist.

[1:02:27] You can't supply something that doesn't exist.

[1:02:30] And in some jurisdictions that in and of itself would be enough to say, we don't want to go there.

[1:02:36] at least with a question mark.

[1:02:42] But there are other adequate surfaces that would recreational

[1:02:47] surfaces that work really well for lots of sports.

[1:02:53] And it just would be a better choice for this area, I think.

[1:02:59] I don't, I just kind of caught catching me off guard here a little bit.

[1:03:05] Because type of a material wasn't really pushed around that much too

[1:03:09] weeks ago.

[1:03:10] So I just I guess I'd ask the rest of the commission how they feel just see if we

[1:03:15] Just something we need to because I don't know what the product would be

[1:03:20] I don't I right now even gather to offer at this point

[1:03:26] Gary? I don't really they can't really make make a decision on something

[1:03:30] I don't know what you think about. That's right. It's kind of I have a question mark. So I don't know

[1:03:36] And we just have paving weird kids

[1:03:43] Is that something you want to look at, maybe it's the concern of the commission, is that airborne

[1:03:52] articles?

[1:03:56] And we're going to accept for the moment that whatever other controls that are put in, your

[1:04:02] stormwater management system will work as predicted.

[1:04:07] There's no question with that, but I do think there is an airborne risk.

[1:04:10] So just so I'm clear too, so it's the like each individual piece of grass flakes off.

[1:04:17] Yeah, they break, just like regular grass.

[1:04:19] They break and they form little, um, yeah.

[1:04:23] It's a grass.

[1:04:24] It's a fiber.

[1:04:25] Well, I know that just that they put in that, I understand that that.

[1:04:28] But aside from that, because now we're not doing that.

[1:04:31] I know that we're not doing that.

[1:04:32] So we really can't speak to it.

[1:04:33] All right, we're not talking about the individual pieces of grass that are going to break off.

[1:04:37] Yep.

[1:04:37] And there is a fair amount of, you know, research that's been done on it, and I'm happy, as I said, I'm happy to provide multiple

[1:04:45] if I can just add a little clarification.

[1:04:49] Can I see?

[1:04:50] A blade of grass is not a microplastic.

[1:04:53] Okay, that's just plastic.

[1:04:55] It's microplastics are my machine that are human here that we do.

[1:04:59] Well, you want it there.

[1:05:00] If it's plastic and it breaks off, it's still bad.

[1:05:02] It's going to break there.

[1:05:03] You keep calling microplastics being the problem, which I can understand.

[1:05:06] but a blade of grasses and a microplastics.

[1:05:08] They break up.

[1:05:09] But you know not every time they break,

[1:05:11] do they break entirely?

[1:05:13] They break in multiple different size fragments.

[1:05:16] They get shipped away, you know?

[1:05:18] Like weathered.

[1:05:20] And for ever becoming in thought,

[1:05:22] if it's a testimony smaller, it's smaller.

[1:05:25] Well, we don't have them represented

[1:05:27] from the manufacturer here tonight.

[1:05:30] And maybe this would be a mud issue with them.

[1:05:34] But so I guess we'll need to,

[1:05:37] Okay.

[1:05:39] And if this person, if you could follow it through bill, your documentation, that would be great.

[1:05:47] All right.

[1:05:47] I guess we'll refer to Tunis.

[1:05:49] Move, continue the public hearing for S9, 2030 for Cpans condo association.

[1:05:54] That's zero Cpans drive and Halloween until the next, until the 22nd.

[1:06:01] 22nd.

[1:06:02] So that you want more time?

[1:06:04] No, 22nd works.

[1:06:05] Thank you.

[1:06:05] All right.

[1:06:07] All those in favor?

[1:06:08] All right.

[1:06:10] Okay.

[1:06:13] All right.

[1:06:21] All right.

[1:06:22] Next.

[1:06:23] We have 23 Captain Elijah Cobb Road.

[1:06:26] Peter and Elaine.

[1:06:28] Superheats.

[1:06:29] Proposed construction of pool house installation of a lap pool landscape mitigation

[1:06:32] plantings.

[1:06:33] And they're looking for continuation.

[1:06:35] All right.

[1:06:35] I got a motion.

[1:06:36] Yes.

[1:06:37] Good to get to you.

[1:06:37] The public caring for SC92031.

[1:06:40] for Suga Rides at 23 capitalized

[1:06:44] a coverage to the September 22nd,

[1:06:46] 26th Commission public meeting for the applicants

[1:06:47] consultant written request and apologies for any

[1:06:49] mispronunciation.

[1:06:51] Second, all of us in favour?

[1:06:52] Aye.

[1:06:53] What's the motion?

[1:06:54] Passes meeting.

[1:06:55] Continue.

[1:06:56] All right, next we have 2628 Main Street.

[1:06:59] It's deployed at order of conditions.

[1:07:00] David Slesinger.

[1:07:01] I feel like we need to come along.

[1:07:05] David Slesinger for 2628 Main Street.

[1:07:09] All right.

[1:07:10] So what's the latest the cover is installed?

[1:07:13] Yep, and I submitted a report closing out phase four and asking for release of the lean

[1:07:20] or the release of the order conditions.

[1:07:23] All right, though.

[1:07:25] Okay, let me just get this document up.

[1:07:27] He worked very hard on it and I'm struggling.

[1:07:29] So.

[1:07:31] So, Phase 4 was to do the work in the field, both Commissioner Ulary and I and maybe other commissioners went down to see the work getting done.

[1:07:43] They put together a very professional documentation about where this project has been and where is going to the completion of the Phase 4 Colvert project recording and the Phase 4 replacement photograph documentation.

[1:07:59] So this is his presentation. I'm showing right here. This is splendid. The work was fantastic.

[1:08:07] He bought pre-fabbed piping. He did everything the commission asked.

[1:08:13] And he's done the plantings subsequent to this as well. So they're shown as well.

[1:08:20] And I thought it documented in myself and I'm pretty impressed with this.

[1:08:24] This is the general phase close-out right here and what he's looking for is he's looking for approval of this plan and also to get to the point where

[1:08:39] town council can provide a portable instrument.

[1:08:47] The plans have to survive for a amount of time before.

[1:08:50] Well, wait a minute.

[1:08:51] It's not worth spent.

[1:08:52] And so, five years is typical, but the commission could actually reduce it to three, if

[1:08:58] they want.

[1:08:59] And I've talked that over with David.

[1:09:00] This is going to end up being out of scope of the stipulate consolidated once it's closed

[1:09:04] out.

[1:09:05] I think David's a good risk.

[1:09:07] I don't think he's...

[1:09:07] Yeah, no.

[1:09:08] I'm just asking.

[1:09:10] I'm not asking if that's part of the stipulated order of conditions.

[1:09:14] Yeah.

[1:09:15] It's within five years.

[1:09:17] So this can't get released for five years after.

[1:09:19] It could get released tonight, and then he knows that with the ratification being that he has to

[1:09:26] continue through the years, but he can come back, but I know it's a little weird.

[1:09:33] Chris?

[1:09:34] Yeah, we're just going to make comments.

[1:09:36] It's great that we got this done.

[1:09:37] I haven't been down to see it.

[1:09:38] I don't think I need to.

[1:09:39] With enough other people going down to look at it.

[1:09:42] But typically, when we do an order of conditions for this kind of a large structure and a resource

[1:09:46] area, we have some kind of plan.

[1:09:48] And usually you have a close-out with a statement by an engineer that was built according to the specifications and I just don't even have like a sketch plan

[1:09:57] So we may want to direct them to have something for the record

[1:10:00] So that when the next guy comes in in 25 years and wants to redo it, he can pull up a plan and say the culvert's ex-feet wide

[1:10:07] It's a this big of you know precast

[1:10:11] There's about this much fill, just something that goes in the record to say, we all allowed

[1:10:16] this to be able to pelth at this size.

[1:10:18] Again, if we're not requiring an engineer to come in and survey in the rest, we can at least

[1:10:22] come out there and have some of them sketch it out with actual physical dimensions, like

[1:10:26] the world is this wide, the railings, this high, this long, you're looking for an as-built.

[1:10:32] Yeah, I'm not requiring, I'm not suggesting you require an engineer to go in and make a statement

[1:10:37] and do a surveyed plan, I'm just thinking you need something that talks about what's

[1:10:42] here now.

[1:10:43] I think I hear when Chris is saying typically there would be a back door out to close

[1:10:47] everything up.

[1:10:48] Nobody thought that far down the road, they did think about recording with the Barnes

[1:10:53] Civil County Registry D, typically that's not done with enforcement orders, it was done

[1:10:58] here.

[1:10:58] So that was supposed to be the guarantee, I think you have everything you want, the plans

[1:11:02] provided by Kieran, Kris is not asking for anything more than that. He's just looking

[1:11:09] for, you know, could an oversight. I was down there with Commissioner O'Leary, did any

[1:11:15] of the commissioners go? They may have, Chris, you ought to go. I think the work is exceptional.

[1:11:21] I do understand that, you know, maybe there might be having a small move. I sort of doubt

[1:11:27] it. The construction team was very organized. I walked in and they were all working.

[1:11:32] and hammering in unison. They didn't know that's coming. I would snuck up on them.

[1:11:38] And so, what was very short, I don't have that fear in this one.

[1:11:42] And I would also, if I were a sitting commissioner, I would vote yes.

[1:11:46] And I would say, I would trust him to do the full five years.

[1:11:49] I mean, kind of medium in the three.

[1:11:52] If he has 100% succession or very close to that, that's what I personally would do.

[1:11:57] I do here because of curses concerns.

[1:12:00] I think we've taken this as far as you can, you know, how I wanted something for the file.

[1:12:05] So we do have a, we do have your plan that shows the culvert, no, the size of the building.

[1:12:08] Yeah, but it doesn't show the as bill. So when we did the culvert down across the,

[1:12:12] when they put the guardrail and they put it in the wrong spot.

[1:12:15] But those kind of things happen in construction and we just don't know what this is.

[1:12:19] I would just say, you know, get out there with a piece of paper and some measurements and just document that this is what we have.

[1:12:26] And that might be enough for the future agent in 20 years who wants to, you know, permit some work on the same site to say, hey, that's what's what was put in an authorized end of this work. That's all.

[1:12:37] I do hear Chris's point.

[1:12:39] And it's just he wants to have a closely akin to the ads built.

[1:12:42] And I get what a sketch plan.

[1:12:45] He's got an average.

[1:12:46] He's asking just like you do.

[1:12:48] What can you do?

[1:12:49] What can you do?

[1:12:50] The men are not as big.

[1:12:51] It's not a huge deal.

[1:12:53] They can take some pictures.

[1:12:55] They can take some pictures.

[1:12:56] on the pictures if you wanted to. Here's the dimensions in one.

[1:12:58] We're not looking for, I understand what Chris is looking for.

[1:13:01] He's not looking for the already exist.

[1:13:04] Yeah.

[1:13:04] Call for David, just to ready.

[1:13:06] Right.

[1:13:07] So what do you just amended this thing in the added attachment to it?

[1:13:10] Would that be fun?

[1:13:11] This came to come in after.

[1:13:12] I think you could vote the clothes if he provides you with a sketch showing the dimensions of what's

[1:13:16] no.

[1:13:19] Okay.

[1:13:19] I mean, I'm assuming there'll be very close to the plan.

[1:13:23] Yeah.

[1:13:23] You can mark on that when you say it's little.

[1:13:25] We feed wider.

[1:13:26] It's one foot taller, who cares, just document it.

[1:13:30] So I guess what I'm curious is what exactly dimensions,

[1:13:35] like height, like the road, because I mean,

[1:13:38] like survey is going to be able to shoot.

[1:13:40] I'm going to ask him on a survey.

[1:13:42] He's asking for you.

[1:13:43] We're not asking for a survey.

[1:13:45] I mean, that's the only thing.

[1:13:46] The changes might have come in.

[1:13:48] I mean, it's a prefabricated pipe.

[1:13:50] So yeah, but you put, you put fill over the top, you built the guard rail, those kind of things just document on the sketches, I'm wearing it like what's

[1:13:57] I'm going to do it.

[1:13:58] You can do it, David.

[1:13:59] I have to play a film.

[1:14:00] It's like with the level of stability.

[1:14:02] What would happen, typically with these kind of closed situations?

[1:14:05] Big of a thousand words.

[1:14:07] You're going to deploy a sweater and you get a sketch plan of some kind or an aswell.

[1:14:11] You can totally control this and have an agenda to this and hopefully they can close tonight with that guarantee.

[1:14:18] Okay.

[1:14:18] That'll come in in the next segment.

[1:14:19] Chris is satisfied.

[1:14:20] David says, find the commission.

[1:14:22] So I just like to think some time

[1:14:23] to draft the final closing document

[1:14:25] to go to the court to get plenty of time.

[1:14:28] But if you've all done a heat town council,

[1:14:30] bottling this.

[1:14:31] Well, he does because it's a good rid of it.

[1:14:34] It's a responsible document.

[1:14:35] Yeah, all right.

[1:14:36] This is one time, because I don't have no idea how you do it.

[1:14:39] Yeah.

[1:14:40] This is, this is what it has to get off.

[1:14:42] It's on the deed now.

[1:14:43] So the last one thing, that one of the commissioners,

[1:14:47] You got town council, director of natural resources, and the conservation administrator.

[1:14:53] I'd like one of us to build in this.

[1:14:55] Sure. Yeah. It's so great. It's great.

[1:14:58] I'll find one of you guys and have you.

[1:15:00] I don't care who, you're the chair, Mike, you start with you.

[1:15:03] Okay, and then if I say no, we can go.

[1:15:07] Okay.

[1:15:08] Mike, can I pick anybody, or do you want me to pick you?

[1:15:10] They start with me, and then we can send those units around.

[1:15:13] Okay.

[1:15:13] We're all just going to have.

[1:15:15] Well, okay, wait, he's like, yes, I'm over here.

[1:15:16] I'm over here.

[1:15:18] All right, can I get a motion, then?

[1:15:19] Okay, I move to approve the Phase 4 closed that report and request for release,

[1:15:23] a stipulated consolidated order for 2628 Main Street and zero Main Street,

[1:15:32] That includes the Culver replacement and associated restoration planning and annual monitoring

[1:15:37] reports for both the restoration planning, and general and associated with the Culver

[1:15:40] replacement through December 1, 2021, or until 100% plant succession has achieved, and

[1:15:45] direct the conservation administrative to coordinate with town council and director of naturally

[1:15:49] sources and a conservation commissioner to draft a recordable instrument to close the stipulated

[1:15:53] consolidated order recording at the recording at the Barsville County Registry of Deeds,

[1:15:59] as well as generating a, as the applicant to generate a sketch plan or photographs of the

[1:16:07] Colbert in its current state.

[1:16:08] I couldn't.

[1:16:09] All those in favor?

[1:16:10] Thank you.

[1:16:10] Chair of all time.

[1:16:11] I'll show a pass in there.

[1:16:11] Thank you.

[1:16:12] Thank you.

[1:16:13] Thank you.

[1:16:14] That was KP and Arm and GQ3.

[1:16:17] All right.

[1:16:19] Let's just give the David a round of applause here.

[1:16:22] Thank you.

[1:16:24] Thank you very much, thank you guys, I'll see you in December for the annual monitor.

[1:16:29] All right.

[1:16:29] We got you.

[1:16:30] So you don't have to come for a while.

[1:16:32] We're going to miss you.

[1:16:34] Yeah, all right.

[1:16:35] You want to talk about the southern prime Beatles or you want to put some on it.

[1:16:38] Yeah, I'm not a total expert on this.

[1:16:40] I just know I bumped into a couple projects for these things that just devoured the base of trees.

[1:16:45] And, you know, people are going in and they get permits for, say, sed tray.

[1:16:49] And next, you know, oh, this has got the beetle.

[1:16:51] and so the beetles are everywhere and I don't know if we want to maybe do something on the

[1:16:58] website or make this part of the mission under biomass somehow as I tangent to it but there's

[1:17:05] been a large amount of communication that Chris and I are on regarding this very topic and so there's

[1:17:12] like a whole community watching it and they're concerned. I think we got to get to know some

[1:17:16] is better about this and about the American Beach Tree leaf disease. And I think that's a

[1:17:22] sub-segment of the biomass. You can't see that as the driver. And this kind of follows to

[1:17:28] some extent. I don't have a ton of time to go into this, but I think it's something that we

[1:17:33] should recognize is going to become a blight that's happening. And we should be prepared to say,

[1:17:39] okay, all right, so 23s have to go. They are beetles. We need to find a planting plant that

[1:17:45] but he can live with also. So there's going to be a given take with this. You can't just be,

[1:17:51] all right, I got dangerous trees there. It has a day go. It's all a new straight in review.

[1:17:55] There may be a need to have some file mask component coming back as well.

[1:17:59] Oh, yeah, for the chair. What kind of trees are they target?

[1:18:03] The target pine trees. I know they hit the pitch, pitch pine. I'm not exactly sure how hard they

[1:18:08] hit the eastern oil white pine. We don't have a ton of them around here, but I would say

[1:18:14] to take the bark, it is attractive to both, but I'm not sure of that.

[1:18:18] I know they're at the board, so they're a board, and they're at the board, and they just

[1:18:22] shoot the bottom of it.

[1:18:24] I'll tell you, they usually disturb area, they'll come into a disturb area, and they'll

[1:18:28] hit that.

[1:18:29] I have not seen them hit any weight.

[1:18:31] So I saw one interesting, you're saying this, because I saw one on Klopp's pond, and we

[1:18:36] had permitted tree for it with an AR under like 15 feet from the pond, about 25 feet closer

[1:18:42] the house, another one had had the Beatles. I came to just show Gabby this project and

[1:18:48] what do I find the second tree down? You don't have a permit for this way. Here we are,

[1:18:52] there's the Beatles thing. That's like got my attention on.

[1:18:55] Another side of the coin is Bill. It's kind of like part of the natural progression.

[1:18:59] The edge of the coin is the only long and then because the other tree is a chance to grow up

[1:19:03] and it's been going on for a long time. Yeah, I agree. But it's a lawn and you'll lose what's

[1:19:07] happening is that tree is in the wooded area that's pressed back by lawn and it's going to keep

[1:19:12] go and so if you don't stop that and plan a tree or something at some point, and I don't

[1:19:17] think every day, you've got to look at every case into the tree, I don't know if we

[1:19:20] just having a set of things, I mean, somebody needs to take some of these pitchpines out

[1:19:26] because of the Southern Beetle, and we'll just look at it and if it's an area that you can plan

[1:19:31] a tree or a plant tree, if it's not, then we'll also do things in terms of fire breaks because

[1:19:36] these things tend to go up like a house on fire.

[1:19:39] Sorry, I think it's just something we're just looking at case by case basis.

[1:19:43] All right, um, do you want to talk about your guns tonight or you want to push that off?

[1:19:47] Shut up, do you mic? It's up to you. It's only take one minute. One minute. We can do one minute. Okay.

[1:19:52] I'm telling you.

[1:19:57] Oh, over the years, in dealing with people in docs, it's just a lot of questions that come up.

[1:20:04] mainly a lot of frustration, homeowners trying to understand what we've been talking about.

[1:20:09] And to try to talk to a homeowner, it's like trying to teach him a foreign language an hour

[1:20:14] or hour and a half, he just can't.

[1:20:16] So now trying to come up with another form, just a general outline information.

[1:20:23] It's two pages, one pages of picture.

[1:20:27] It's got some definitions.

[1:20:29] And then the basic gives an outline of the procedure.

[1:20:32] And when it comes to the docs,

[1:20:34] whether it's a complaint after the fact or going to start new,

[1:20:39] they're going to start with an engineer,

[1:20:40] unless they can do it themselves.

[1:20:42] In that case, they're not going to,

[1:20:44] they're not going to do them any good.

[1:20:46] So it's just to try to help people,

[1:20:48] save it a little time on everybody's part,

[1:20:51] you know, conservation,

[1:20:52] administrative, because after the first conversation,

[1:20:55] they usually back with their engineer for a second round.

[1:20:58] So.

[1:21:00] That's just good.

[1:21:01] Something wrong with forms.

[1:21:03] I mean, you say forms like it's a bad thing.

[1:21:04] Forms are great.

[1:21:05] Especially for people who need to be guided through a process.

[1:21:08] Especially when they can cross off something.

[1:21:09] That's good form with a checklist on it.

[1:21:12] There's nothing to beat it.

[1:21:13] And thank you for.

[1:21:14] Okay.

[1:21:15] Checkless.

[1:21:17] Okay.

[1:21:20] Are you here for administrative review?

[1:21:23] Okay.

[1:21:24] Okay.

[1:21:24] Two, three.

[1:21:34] And then another one fell into our easement, which shows it'll help me with getting up.

[1:21:44] All right, Bill, what are we looking for in our room?

[1:21:46] Well, Gary was panelist, so I'm just about to pull it up, because they did a nice job in their room education.

[1:21:52] Should go with the supplemental, or should I go with the original?

[1:21:55] Well, the supplemental has the steps.

[1:21:59] Okay.

[1:21:59] Back with you.

[1:22:00] And the other one had a bright set.

[1:22:02] Okay.

[1:22:03] So let me just switch this and bring it to the language.

[1:22:06] Here we go.

[1:22:08] They have a deck and what they're doing is expanding it about, I think,

[1:22:14] 66 square feet somewhere on those lines.

[1:22:18] And this is what it looks like here is what they're proposing.

[1:22:24] and this is their revised plan. They've got three footings as you can see, I can stay.

[1:22:30] Mayors out here.

[1:22:31] Yeah, but it's pulled back. It's tighter up against the House, and the stairs are sort of in the middle of it.

[1:22:38] It's a kind of odd configuration. And so this kind of, I believe, uniform to do my correct Mr. Solon.

[1:22:46] Is that correct?

[1:22:48] That is correct.

[1:22:50] What's drawn there?

[1:22:51] Right there.

[1:22:51] But the original has the stairs kind of were on wearing the-

[1:22:54] Yes, yeah.

[1:22:55] Yeah, where you're correct.

[1:22:56] And it's a small, every little creating the stairs and putting a deck on the same spot.

[1:22:59] Yeah, it's not that close to the resource area either just checking the notes here.

[1:23:05] It's in the 50 to 100 and I believe it's on the closer to the 100.

[1:23:09] So it's like 90 something. 90, you know.

[1:23:12] So I think it's a proof.

[1:23:13] Anybody have any issues with this?

[1:23:17] Move to approve the administrative review.

[1:23:19] AR-2675 for applicants down in Judy Stevens.

[1:23:22] 203.

[1:23:22] Layland Road, authorizing the expansion of a deck in the 50 to 100 foot buffer zone to inland bank.

[1:23:27] Second.

[1:23:27] All those in favor?

[1:23:28] I'm sorry about that. I'm also passing it honestly. Thank you. Okay, wonderful. So if you keep an eye out on that and if you have a building permit work with our

[1:23:35] All right, next we have

[1:23:37] No worries

[1:23:39] 672 Main Street right that's another AR. I don't know if there's anybody. Oh, yeah, she is. Um, so

[1:23:47] The property owner is there. Do you want to talk about this? I'm basically it's an administrator. Yeah, what is it?

[1:23:56] Oh

[1:23:57] Okay, so

[1:23:59] This has to do with a pipe that's under a deck and it's a little tricky and they've given you two options in the presentation.

[1:24:08] One would be everything goes well and I just lift the deck, they replace the pipe.

[1:24:15] And the other alternative is it doesn't go well and they have to take out a tree to get access and bring in some larger equipment.

[1:24:23] We're hoping to be able to limit the approach and giving you a nice job, a nice presentation

[1:24:30] here of a preferred method, no tree removal option 2 is a tree removal.

[1:24:35] They're right on a, you can see from this locust map, right on a cranberry bog, a boarding

[1:24:43] vegetative wetland and this is an old plan that they present it so that you can see how close

[1:24:48] as you wetland is here, and the deck in the septic system is over on the left hand side,

[1:24:55] which is the west side of the property.

[1:24:58] Well, in all of this, I think the first thing is exigent circumstances here.

[1:25:04] We've got a failed type.

[1:25:05] Oh, I was going to say that septic type.

[1:25:07] It's a septic type.

[1:25:08] It's a septic type.

[1:25:09] It's a septic type.

[1:25:09] This is going to happen.

[1:25:12] Yeah.

[1:25:12] No, it has to happen.

[1:25:13] The thing is, you probably could lose a tree if they had to go the other way.

[1:25:16] It's going to do the best they can, but this is an exigent.

[1:25:20] It's on the board of being an RDA, but I think the situation is almost emergency, almost.

[1:25:26] So I would say stay with the A-Rido.

[1:25:28] Move to approve.

[1:25:29] David's favorite review.

[1:25:30] 2676 for applicant Felicity.

[1:25:32] Lou Beck at 672 May Street, authorizing your move of a debt replacement of a pipe and potential

[1:25:36] removal of flowering dogwood tree and a zero to 50 foot buffer zone to bordering vegetable.

[1:25:40] Second.

[1:25:41] All those in favor?

[1:25:42] Hi.

[1:25:42] What's the motion passed unanimously?

[1:25:46] Keep doing the AR, the administrative view, which is usually just very simple thing, you say, we pass it.

[1:25:53] We can make in these people come here to these meetings.

[1:25:55] Maybe we can put the administrative review in the agenda beforehand.

[1:26:02] So these people don't have to sit through something that only takes five minutes.

[1:26:06] We agree.

[1:26:06] We don't do anything to get them to come here.

[1:26:08] I don't know, but it just seems like there would happen last week, but you know, it happens a lot.

[1:26:12] If so, if this is something that just goes so fast, you know, you should go fast.

[1:26:17] Why not put it earlier?

[1:26:18] We'll do a better job and make sure that they know that they don't have to come up.

[1:26:21] Typically, I just, they can still share.

[1:26:24] One of the reasons we've always done the notice of intense first is there's a lot of page consent.

[1:26:28] I understand that.

[1:26:29] But since it's a administrative review, it's usually, you know, Bill says this and we,

[1:26:34] and it goes through, get it done.

[1:26:36] And many of these could have been in the consent agenda, but there's always a question as to whether it's an administrative review or a little more about both these restructures or moving structures or ones in this area.

[1:26:47] But why the would have been just consent.

[1:26:50] We're not giving them the indication any of us, Gabby or me.

[1:26:54] I just, I'm watching these people just now.

[1:26:56] I'm here.

[1:26:56] I know that.

[1:26:58] I agree.

[1:26:58] Tonight was a bad last week.

[1:27:02] I was, I felt bad about that.

[1:27:03] We usually have a notification and we say you don't need to come with the KSUC or extended

[1:27:08] But that was just a thought like you're the chair. You set the agenda

[1:27:11] Yeah, I mean, I just don't just see how it goes because that's just something I'm just

[1:27:15] We didn't do it chair sets the agenda

[1:27:17] Right?

[1:27:18] I know, so I just something the only thing we could do is we could say at the very beginning when you start

[1:27:23] There's a couple of administrative reviews is there anyone here and if so you move to the front

[1:27:27] That would help.

[1:27:28] Just get it done.

[1:27:29] We can take it sometimes very fast in just how much time it is.

[1:27:32] I'm just watching these people.

[1:27:34] Good point.

[1:27:35] Good point.

[1:27:36] All right.

[1:27:37] Or do you want me to do that and push it?

[1:27:39] Let's just see.

[1:27:40] We're going to go.

[1:27:41] We'll see how close we know.

[1:27:42] We'll just leave it the way it is.

[1:27:43] I just wanted to get that out of here.

[1:27:45] Next we have enforcement for 52 Captain Baker Road, Doug Easey.

[1:27:50] They wanted a continuation to the 13th.

[1:27:52] So I kind of stepped in and I did that.

[1:27:54] I said yes.

[1:27:54] but I've asked them to provide the erosion control concluded and get a report to us by

[1:28:00] 12 noon September 11th, because that's from Lingrax, it's June.

[1:28:04] Okay.

[1:28:06] Do we have any, I think that we would all like to see this not drag out.

[1:28:13] So can we make it very clear to the consultants and to the applicant, well, they're not

[1:28:19] to the enforcement that this needs to move forward.

[1:28:25] And this is a one-off discontinuation.

[1:28:28] And why it had to go for a month?

[1:28:29] I'm not sure. Why it couldn't go to the 22nd.

[1:28:32] Right. I think what's happening there,

[1:28:34] just to be logical, is the ask for time to get the engineer

[1:28:37] because that is the variable they need right now.

[1:28:40] And they've come through with an excellent plan.

[1:28:44] So I basically said, this is disappointing that they're asking for this.

[1:28:47] However, you're excellent report, which the Commission like has merited the approval.

[1:28:53] But I think I can count pretty well into your point.

[1:28:55] Order conditions that we do need to have some sort of time.

[1:28:59] Again, great.

[1:29:00] Which we can discuss when we get further.

[1:29:03] Okay.

[1:29:04] Move to continue the enforcement discussion.

[1:29:07] Move to continue the enforcement order.

[1:29:09] Ian F. 26, I want it.

[1:29:11] 52 Captain Baker Road to the October 13th, 206 Commission Public Meeting.

[1:29:14] Second.

[1:29:15] All those things.

[1:29:18] All right, next we have two 90 foster road cardmen, so they are going to have the restoration plan by 9, 29, 20, 26, the fines are at 9,000 dollars, so they know about that, and I would suggest a one one more meeting continuation and perhaps one more after that because the plan will come in on the 29th of September and

[1:29:46] That's number one, we need to get that in.

[1:29:49] We have to continue the enforcement discussion, E&F2602 at 290 Foster Road for Cargman to the

[1:29:54] September 22nd, 236 Commission Public Meeting.

[1:29:56] Second.

[1:29:57] Call those in favour?

[1:29:58] Aye.

[1:29:59] Aye.

[1:30:00] All right, thank you, every Board of the National Resource Director, nothing new this week.

[1:30:03] All right, report a conservation administrative?

[1:30:04] Yeah, how Lua, the fall conference for the Max 20, Max 2026, all conferences coming up.

[1:30:12] I'm sorry, October 24th. It's going to be held in the devins. The theme is, why do we do it?

[1:30:17] The science and ecology of wetness protection. There's going to be a route. There's always a wide range of courses to take programs.

[1:30:23] You got access to major subject matter experts. They hold these meetings typically in the same location in October.

[1:30:31] And this is a great chance to complete any missing Mac fundamental courses because they typically offer a whole bunch.

[1:30:37] I think most of the commissioners have got their Mac fundamentals down and made a few you're still working on them.

[1:30:41] So it's something to think about and you get the intermingle with like minded people and find out what they're doing.

[1:30:46] Sometimes that's helpful.

[1:30:49] All right.

[1:30:50] We have the meeting minutes.

[1:30:51] I moved to approve the draft conservation commission meeting minutes for July 14th, 2026 as prepared.

[1:30:57] Second I was a favorite. I care about time motion pass unanimously moved to approve the draft commission meeting minutes for July 28 26 as prepared

[1:31:06] All those in favor. I hear about tonight motion pass unanimously. I didn't get the next one out

[1:31:11] So you have to take move move to table the draft the commission meeting minutes for August 11, 206

[1:31:18] All those in favor. I share votes

[1:31:20] All right, motion pass unanimously next we have a matter not anticipated

[1:31:25] Our vice chair Kim Pearson has been recognized for her work by texting Brewster Paws as a ripple effect award

[1:31:38] We'll need to get you for

[1:31:41] First they just first

[1:31:45] Let's exciting. I think that's just great. Okay, move to close meeting

Conservation Commission 09-08-2026

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