[0:12] Recording in progress.

[0:15] All right. It is 6 o'clock. I'd like to start this evening's meeting up with the Pledge of

[0:20] Allegiance.

[0:25] Pledge of Allegiance is to apply the United States of America and to deliver

[0:31] your policy, we're just going to end one nation under God, invincible with liberty and justice

[0:38] for all. Thank you, everyone, for that.

[0:40] Thank you.

[0:41] Thank you.

[0:44] Let's continue on this evening with roll call.

[0:47] I've got the Gaston.

[0:51] Christine Morris.

[0:52] Tara Chase.

[0:53] Michael Schmidt.

[0:54] And visiting via Zoom this evening is..

[0:57] Heather Fram.

[0:59] Thank you, Heather.

[1:01] So we have a full and complete board this evening.

[1:05] Thanks to you for running.

[1:07] All your hard work on the school board.

[1:09] and welcome back.

[1:13] First order of business is to adopt the regular meeting minutes of August 10th,

[1:17] 2026. I'd entertain a motion to that.

[1:25] Aaron, I'll make the motion and we adopt

[1:27] the minutes that are printed and distributed. Is there any correction? Pardon me a second?

[1:31] Second. Thanks Doug. Do we have any corrections, errors, or misses noted?

[1:40] Aaron, none?

[1:41] Well,

[1:44] Dan, I'll give you to identify yourself again.

[1:48] in the session under citizen's comments and it says I asked about Green Street. I don't

[1:56] know what Green Street is. It was Leiden Street. The Green Street is mentioned in that paragraph,

[2:01] but I don't know what Green Street is. We did

[2:09] that? Yeah. Over here on the screen. Do

[2:21] Do we know it? Thank you, sir.

[2:26] Any other questions here, Mr. Coder? Here and seeing none, I'll

[2:30] follow up with a roll, standing on the left with Doug Johnston. Here, Christy Moore. Hi.

[2:36] Hi, I'm Christy Norr says hi. Tara Chase. Hi. Mike Schmidt. Hi. And Heather Frank. Hi.

[2:45] Thank you members. They are so approved for the amendment.

[2:50] Moving on to new business, item number one, updates on properties with municipal actions and complaints.

[2:56] So just a couple of things since we spoke last month.

[2:59] So you finally have all the invoices from Obleway processing those.

[3:04] So we've got charges for work that we did at the 78 Valley Street location,

[3:10] as well as charges for Central and also CV for just a couple of updates.

[3:16] we still are in the process of removing two abandoned trailers at Central. We're

[3:25] working with the property owner as well. It's, again, Alboa still has to come out

[3:30] and pick those up, so we're just waiting for them to have some time to get out

[3:33] there and do that.

[3:36] The issues at Sieber's Brook, we've been in touch

[3:38] with a family member, at least somebody who has been claiming to have

[3:45] some family relationship to the buyer owners who are deceased.

[3:50] We started talking back in July at that point that person was going to be trying to go through

[3:57] probate.

[3:58] At this point now it's been three months.

[4:00] I spoke to her as recently as last week.

[4:02] She still has not filed any paperwork.

[4:06] I think one of the things that we've discussed in the board is if there isn't any movement

[4:10] on the actual probate that we as a town municipality can open probate based on these charges, so I will

[4:21] certainly hold that open if we're not able to get any further movement on that issue.

[4:27] We did speak with the owner who was going to voluntarily cooperate with an inspection

[4:31] program, so all signers working with the folks at Fire Safety just to get in the

[4:38] buildings and to do a walk-through to make sure if there are life safety concerns.

[4:44] There's been a lot of concern about shed on the property. There's obviously

[4:49] then nobody, at least from an oversight agency in that property for an

[4:56] extent period of time. So the owner did say she would cooperate with us

[5:00] voluntarily to do that. So we wanted to coordinate that activity. Once we have

[5:04] that information, we'll share that with the board with you. I also need more

[5:07] of actions that come on that property.

[5:12] So I think for now, those are the primary places we are working on an updated list.

[5:17] We have Austin on site.

[5:19] We do have other properties that are generating complaints, and we'll have updates on those

[5:26] as we move forward.

[5:27] Okay.

[5:28] I have a question.

[5:29] You said the owner.

[5:32] Well, she's not on the deed.

[5:34] She claims to have a family relationship with the deceased.

[5:38] So at this point, she's a de facto owner until either we probate or she does probate.

[5:46] At this point, it's not an official ownership.

[5:50] It's still.

[5:51] Thank you.

[5:51] I just want to make a comment.

[5:52] Thank you.

[5:53] Claire.

[6:00] Does she have to initiate or request a probate?

[6:05] Or does the town?

[6:08] And could we parallel that request, or could we lead that?

[6:13] Of course, certainly is going to look at, if she has that relationship, they'll look at her application fabulously, obviously.

[6:19] If she has some standard.

[6:23] Now, when I spoke to her back in July, I explained to her what our concerns were.

[6:27] She said that she was going to actively pursue it in 90 days.

[6:32] We haven't gotten very far.

[6:33] so I think we're not getting much further than I think it's probably time for us to

[6:38] start a process. Yes. She can certainly participate. Maybe it's a

[6:43] could be an issue she doesn't have for you. I'm not sure. Yeah, she really didn't

[6:47] give me any particulars to be open. So, but we're not we're no farther on the

[6:53] result of the ownership. I think that's where I was going with my partner is

[6:58] What time frame are we looking at for waiting for her or when do we?

[7:05] Well, the question for the board is, if we do go and engage in probate, we'll have to bring Steve Makuta into the next.

[7:11] I think we'll want to make sure that we get a little bit of publicly notice meetings so that there's clear intent as to what we're doing and why.

[7:18] So that we move it forward.

[7:20] So, we'd have a meeting in two weeks if we haven't gotten any further than I was, I will have an agenda item offered at the board's consideration.

[7:27] Thank you.

[7:28] At least initiate for a thing.

[7:29] Thank you.

[7:40] Also, on the agenda, we have seven schools, 322.

[7:44] Are those in the measure?

[7:45] Are those going to be taken, addressed separately?

[7:47] Well, they're different than these other properties because they do have common ownership from the prior owner.

[7:56] Both of these properties had some link policies that were associated with the prior owner.

[8:02] The new owners signed quick claim deeds to become the new owners of these two properties

[8:10] and the prior balances were not handled as part of that transaction.

[8:16] So we are now presented with a problem and the prior owner did not follow,

[8:26] obviously

[8:26] not up to date. These two properties are not on for tax sale. The question that I have

[8:34] to the board is, it's not our normal practice to open up a new payment plan opportunity based

[8:42] on the fact that the prior owner had the opportunity to do it, should have been resolved

[8:47] prior to transfer, should have happened for a variety of reasons. So here we are.

[8:52] So I just wanted to ask the board if you feel so obligated, I would at least pursue based

[9:00] on our traditional payment plan and the opportunity for these new owners to go through that process

[9:07] and if they're successful, then the passive obligation can be handled and we can move

[9:12] it forward.

[9:14] But it's not a normal course of business and we felt it was important not just

[9:19] is to bring to your attention your opinion

[9:21] that can stand before we decide to move this process forward.

[9:24] Okay, before we get into those two properties then,

[9:27] I want to back up for the delinquent utility taxes

[9:29] on, I don't know, excuse me, updates on the properties

[9:32] with municipal actions and plans,

[9:34] such as 78 Valley, 12 Central, Open Seabed.

[9:37] Yes.

[9:38] Are there other questions from board members

[9:40] on either of those properties?

[9:44] No, I just,

[9:45] Never school street. I mean, not so street before I came down and then there are two

[9:51] trails are still there. One of them looks like the doors are open. So yeah, and we're aware so

[9:58] the police are aware of keeping an eye out on this as well. So we'd like to keep them off

[10:03] the property since Boston. Yeah. Comments or questions on the three properties? 78 Valley,

[10:10] 12 Central, 4. Let's get the night in right now. We're going to see the

[10:15] 480. Thank you.

[10:22] So where are we in the acquisition of 78 Valley? We own 78 Valley. Okay. So we

[10:32] are, as we go through the budget in the fall, we'll have to have a conversation as to how

[10:38] the board wants to receive that. There's the option available. We just have to put

[10:43] together from their consideration. So we're going to wait for the budget process to do that?

[10:48] We need a little bit of time. Let's find his invoices in and give you a sense of everything

[10:52] that's there to get a full picture. And do we have a next step for 10-12?

[10:59] Talk to the owner last week. He still claims that he has some interest in doing renovation

[11:07] and bringing it up to code and explain to him, you know, we have a pretty frank

[11:12] conversation about, you know, what the delinquencies in that building are and what

[11:17] the expenses will be to give it to a capital condition. I don't think it's

[11:22] realistic that he would spend that kind of money on it, but at least I think

[11:26] had to give him an opportunity. So we'll talk about that as time goes by. Right

[11:31] now, at least it's boarded up. I've had neighbors very happy with that

[11:36] initial phase with some of the immediate problems that have been resolved, but they're obviously

[11:41] concerned about long-term, about being loosened and about the safety of the work set.

[11:48] I hope we have conversations sooner than later.

[11:52] That's on that, because your comment, it's the resources aren't there.

[12:00] I wouldn't think so.

[12:04] No, I just don't want smoke to be involved in this.

[12:08] I think he's had a lot of statements that didn't come to pass.

[12:20] So I don't specifically know about, you know, I was very specific about this.

[12:24] These are the items in this inspection that have to be satisfied for this to be happening.

[12:30] And for granted, it's going to be $100,000 to make those fairs.

[12:38] Anyone else on questions on the three properties?

[12:45] I don't mean to put you on the spot.

[12:48] We talk sometimes in between meetings.

[12:51] We try to keep the soul in the loop as much as possible.

[12:54] Gitu, give your name for the record.

[12:56] Gitu Malwani.

[12:57] I'm just wondering, and then let me know if this is on phase, but isn't there any

[13:01] recourse? I mean, the previous owner has made promises over and over again, and

[13:07] keeps that for the rate of interest requirements. Isn't there any further

[13:11] recourse that the child can take? The recourse is what we have done. Based on

[13:16] Chapter 8, we've done as much as we can do, right? Yeah. I think there's more

[13:22] to be done, but I think there's gonna have to be some legal advice, if

[13:26] So we negotiate a 78 valley, I'm not going to call it a negotiation, it's a negotiation house.

[13:34] The town now owns that building.

[13:35] Right.

[13:36] Now we've got to decide what to do with it monetarily and then legally what is available.

[13:43] 12th central, we took the action on that and ordered it dated.

[13:48] Thank you.

[13:52] The other one you heard was Seymour waiting on.

[13:56] That's the project initiatives as much as big government is thought of and so taking care

[14:04] of these problems.

[14:05] We are limited rules and regulations on what we can do to spend a long, slow process.

[14:19] Okay,

[14:22] all for the record, for the record, for the record, for the record, your name.

[14:33] I'm here publicly to offer my street thanks for the work that you folks have done on the

[14:48] I know I've been for a year, I've been a

[14:55] practitioner, I've been a intern, I won't

[14:58] say anything about it.

[15:00] And the next audio for the year. And it's marvelous now to go by the property, the trash

[15:09] has been removed, the property has been vacated, a pair of people vacated and is now boarded

[15:18] up, it's been a marvelous, marvelous improvement on salt leaves, and it's finally come to pass.

[15:32] And I know that the neighbors are also feeling as I, that it's been a terrible, well, then

[15:43] it a different value than the different value but I think this hopefully has been right at the end

[15:51] and everything has finally been completed and I thank you thank you all so much you were

[15:58] thank you any

[16:03] other thoughts on the three properties that will move on to seven school

[16:11] Is there any question regarding, oh, no, we have to take action on that.

[16:18] I think it's more, we sort of end up with, for our principle, it's certainly within our current practice to negotiate a payment plan.

[16:35] And I think the circumstances here are a little bit unusual because of the way the transaction

[16:40] occurred.

[16:42] Right?

[16:42] Typically, we just put it in normal closing as opposed to this is something that was done

[16:49] with a more proprietary transaction.

[16:52] There would have been, in the closing, you know, listing of all the obligations from

[16:58] the buyer and seller.

[16:59] This would have been involved.

[17:00] Unfortunately, it didn't happen in these two cases because it's folks that then have

[17:04] an issue that the only way we can resolve it, given what we have to work with is to offer

[17:12] a payment plan for them to be able to do payments and come through to keeping their

[17:19] current obligation as well as, you know, satisfying the past due obligation.

[17:24] Now, how that impacts their relationship with the seller, I don't know.

[17:28] That's something that they're going to have to work out.

[17:30] I don't know how those relationships are being handled.

[17:33] But just from this full-stand point,

[17:37] it's a little unusual for us to have this kind of transaction

[17:41] without it being unsatisfactory.

[17:44] So that's why I'm very happy to have it.

[17:47] And we both of the folks I've spoken to

[17:49] are certainly willing to try to work out and find stuff.

[17:57] That's where we stand on this one.

[18:02] So the options are if both of these properties had a former owner or, yeah, former owner

[18:09] had a payment plan that was not completed.

[18:12] And then there was a passive obligation that was not satisfied when the deed was transferred

[18:17] to the new owner who is now basically still with some obligation to the prior owner

[18:26] which is the private party transaction, but we have a public piece of it, which is the

[18:30] past student telepathy, but we're trying to help under us.

[18:42] So the tax liability still exists.

[18:51] There's utility and past student.

[18:55] Okay, well, but the tax liability still exists.

[18:58] Correct.

[19:00] Are we restricted by law to extending a payment plan?

[19:10] No. I guess the reason why this is unusual is normally we offer an owner one opportunity.

[19:18] Right.

[19:19] And because it had already gone and had not been maintained, and with the nature of the

[19:25] private transaction, this is how we brought ourselves here in the city.

[19:30] So is it in the best interest of the town to extend this to the new owners to have these

[19:39] property viable?

[19:41] I think both of the owners are committed to trying to improve the properties and keep

[19:47] them as good neighbors and community.

[19:52] So I think it's in our best interest to try and establish that.

[19:57] But I wouldn't use it as a normal practice because I think, you know, the vendor is

[20:02] people that come to me multiple times, asking for, you know, it's multiple.

[20:08] Sitting on the tax abatement board, I hear all kinds of stories, and some of them,

[20:15] right, we can be sympathetic to some of we aren't.

[20:21] That's why I ask the

[20:22] question do we think this is in the best interest the town to make these

[20:26] properties viable? And what is our option if we don't? Well then they have to pay

[20:34] the past due amount if they don't within a certain period of time they'd be

[20:39] shut off or taxed, or they would have to shut the tax off. Thank you.

[20:50] So, in our packet, you've got the, there is an action item, the authorize the option to establish a new payment plan, recognizing that the obligation to keep current and maintain a payment plan will keep these owners out of future problem.

[21:08] I think it's right because it's in an unusual circumstance.

[21:12] I think, you know, we're extending ourselves in an unusual situation, but I think we can show that the board agrees that we're doing this as a special consideration, not a practice.

[21:22] And I think that would give us the ability to keep our current system, so to speak, what often you speak and spend a week.

[21:33] Hopefully, this doesn't become a trend now as we go into the future.

[21:41] One more.

[21:42] Hang on.

[21:45] Does number seven.

[21:48] The problem, I talked with the owner at 22 Chester roads.

[21:52] I'm a little more familiar with that.

[21:55] Only by chance happening, I bought Biden's money.

[21:57] seven schools for you. Is that the plan that exists that wasn't completed was

[22:07] with the previous owner or the current one? Previous. Previous owner. So now we

[22:12] have a new owner. Yes. They both have a new owner. Right. Thank you.

[22:16] Mike, is there a reason to be coming to the select board versus the tax

[22:26] I

[22:30] think because we do have a process in place, and it's a pretty standard process, this moves us outside of the norm.

[22:41] But I think in these circumstances, I think it makes sense for us to try to extend this and see if these folks can bring themselves current

[22:52] and, you know, get continued, hopefully, in these propertings, and bring that movement forward.

[23:09] Well, I don't want to put you on the spot, but any concerns, your thoughts?

[23:15] Um, Tom, I'm just correct.

[23:18] We have a policy that, from 2005, that's in place at first,

[23:22] even with the new legislative amendment to it.

[23:26] Thanks.

[23:35] So part of that policy is agreements are offered and needs to be made and signed by myself

[23:42] by June 30.

[23:44] That's a time period we've gone by.

[23:47] So that's the grace, I think, the town union is asking for, or outside of that, if someone

[23:57] comes to me and asks me, now I can't sign anything. I can give them the terms that it would have

[24:03] anyone else, but it doesn't mean it's not going to help me sign it for now.

[24:09] So we're outside of that. Outside of the big one. Yeah.

[24:17] What's the pleasure of the board if you want to get this on the table? Yes.

[24:23] I'd like an emotion to authorize the option to establish a new payment plan

[24:27] recognizing that the obligation is to burn and ban a payment plan will keep these owners out of future

[24:34] problems, as that this is a select board exception to the rules. So,

[24:42] then we have a second. Thank you, Minister. So, we do have a motion on the forum second

[24:49] did authorize the option to establish a new payment plan, recognizing the obligation to keep

[24:54] current and maintain a plan to keep these owners out of future problems. Relatives of

[25:00] gas. And the tellings as well. Is

[25:07] there early discussion from board members?

[25:14] I'm having a hard time

[25:15] seeing the reflection on that. Heather, if it's a handout, I'm not sure I'm going to see it.

[25:19] Nope. I'll yell, Christie. Thank you, though. Okay. Thank you, Heather. That's okay with me.

[25:28] Discussion from the audience. I know we have one of the owners here this evening by 22.

[25:35] If I can get you to Ron and Austin.

[25:40] Okay, I can tell you why I'm in this situation.

[25:43] I don't know about the other person, but I did not even start talking to the previous owner

[25:48] till the middle of first, it was after July 4th when I even started.

[25:55] But when I found out, when we started the negotiation, he was going to pay the passenger

[26:01] jealousy and the taxes before we even signed that worth.

[26:05] Well, then he got to the point that I had to do something because where I lived at,

[26:11] the owner sold the place, moved out of town, out of the country.

[26:17] And the people that bought it, there was a new place, but they have a big family.

[26:21] So they're making it in back into the original house for the whole family to lily so right now

[26:28] I am stuck in battle falls at the motel

[26:31] I'm trying to do this without I don't know I'm sorry

[26:35] So we need to go straight with you. I

[26:39] Have I have sat and talked with

[26:41] Mr. Pick up in him we are in agreement to pay I can pay the

[26:48] the utility part, the water part next week. I can make that next week. There

[26:54] probably be Thursday next week when I can make that. It's the taxes that I can't

[26:59] come up with all at one time. That's what I mean. We can do $200 a week on the

[27:06] taxes. After next week I can get the water bill taken care of. So we can see

[27:10] it can be more than $200. It just for more of our finances. I only have to

[27:15] October 1st to get everything done at the house and be out of Montana. That's

[27:21] including my extension of this new law that we need to affect on September 1st.

[27:27] So you know I'm willing to work anyway we can. I'll get retirement. That's all I

[27:33] get. My brother-in-law, Indians, he works at Circle K. So he gets a week of

[27:41] that's how we can do the weekly maintenance. So, you know, we're willing to do that in

[27:48] these taxes column. Oh, and if y'all go by there, yeah, there's another pile of stuff out there,

[27:56] but it don't look as bad as it did before because all that's cleaned up. Oh, we found out today

[28:04] the electrician did what he could. We've got to come up with more money for the

[28:26] fall across the house with the previous owner. Once we get everything, everything I have to pay with all the seats are shown, it comes off the final price of the house.

[28:37] So, I think that's a good point.

[28:39] And I can vouch that the outside of the property was cleaned up.

[28:45] And thank you for that, Edward.

[28:47] And now they're working on the inside,

[28:50] and that's why the stuff inside came outside, start with.

[28:53] And then we did have somebody to come by today

[28:55] and measure the windows,

[28:58] not long after we met and you would have

[29:03] introduced ourselves and not knowing each other, so they're working on trying to get us some

[29:10] of these in as soon as possible.

[29:15] So

[29:18] thank you for that, Rhonda, that update, and thank you for your effort.

[29:22] Just going forward, if we have this plan in place that this Board agrees, I want

[29:27] to just caution that we don't commit too much to start with until you and you

[29:34] can work with Barb on that is that if we agree to do this extension or to let the

[29:39] owner you'll come up with or together you will yeah okay

[29:54] actually any other discussion please file your homestead

[30:00] What? Your homestead. This will be my homestead. No, there is, the state of Vermont has a program for homestead. Please file. Oh, I will. I'm in taxes. So I'm not in taxes. We hear so many people that don't do it. Yeah. I will be doing the homestead. Thank you. And all that. So, but if y'all didn't know if any organization or anything that can help us,

[30:28] If you're out there with us, let us know, especially with windows, there's still an

[30:35] issue that came out today, it's got to try to find some people that can help with some

[30:39] windows they're measuring, so yeah, that's something that I've said.

[30:46] Yeah.

[30:47] I've reached out to Zephyr.

[30:48] Now, Zephyr has told me they don't do windows.

[30:50] Okay, okay.

[30:52] They do weatherization.

[30:53] They do weatherization, but they don't do, they don't, they don't do windows.

[30:57] because that's the first person on each trip.

[30:59] Okay.

[31:00] Well, that's the first one that everybody told me to call.

[31:04] Yeah, when I filled out the paperwork, I said no.

[31:07] Very good.

[31:08] There isn't any other questions or discussion.

[31:11] I will follow through the vote starting on my left.

[31:14] Good job, Johnston.

[31:15] Aye.

[31:16] Christy Moore says aye.

[31:17] Dara Chase.

[31:18] Aye.

[31:19] Mike Schmidt.

[31:19] Aye.

[31:20] And Heather Frantz.

[31:21] Aye.

[31:22] That is by the affirmative, and they're so approved.

[31:29] So, as quick as you can, I guess you get into the down office and...

[31:33] What are you doing with...

[31:35] You want me to just call you and set up a time to...

[31:38] You can come in and eat in my cell phone and tell me about that.

[31:40] That's what I said by the time.

[31:43] Why don't you just end this couple of days?

[31:46] We need to be the morning time.

[31:47] Right.

[31:48] Because right now he's working in Hangout.

[31:50] So if you could just end it a couple of more days.

[31:52] Yep.

[31:52] Oh, as I was the morning is not a good one this week because he stepped up as the point was

[32:01] Thank you honor for going in and your interest in sprinting

[32:11] And then seven schools free role we'll reach out to them with all of them. Yes. Thank you

[32:19] But we don't have the order here of seven school for you

[32:21] I won't believe some

[32:23] Okay.

[32:26] Item number two on your agenda. Presentation on Commons Park,

[32:30] stormwater project purpose, and with more need statement and alternative

[32:36] analysis. Yes. Well, we do have, I'll write it. Perfect timing. So it did give

[32:50] the board happy just of the slides that you had sent earlier. I don't know

[32:55] what else you might need or? I think for the most part I'll just do a verbal

[32:59] presentation as that works for you. I was hoping to have the plan view set up

[33:12] on screen for everybody if that's possible from the packet. Do you have it

[33:18] on a driver, I can get it from my email, obviously.

[33:22] Maybe I'll just open it up, maybe I can grab it.

[33:26] It's on my email, that's what I've been sending.

[33:28] Sorry about that, it's on my email right now.

[33:30] I'll grab it this morning.

[33:32] And the sentence, okay, do you have to go to your office?

[33:36] Yeah.

[33:37] Scott, do you have your email on that email together?

[33:40] Or are you doing it on your laptop?

[33:42] Well, I can do it from the desktop.

[33:43] I'm not sure if it's on,

[33:45] just from my score of the three people

[33:46] to have a lot of data.

[33:47] That's what it's all about.

[33:49] You got it, then?

[33:50] Stop.

[33:51] You got it?

[33:52] No person.

[33:53] Sorry about that.

[33:55] No, I'm good.

[33:59] Don't joke.

[34:00] Yeah, okay.

[34:01] Yeah.

[34:02] Yeah.

[34:06] So while they're...

[34:07] Oh, thank you.

[34:07] While they bring out the site plan,

[34:09] I can give kind of a great introduction to the project

[34:13] and kind of a perfect solution to...

[34:15] or the presentation tonight.

[34:18] So, a few years ago, the town had a stormwater master plan prepared and one of the locations

[34:26] that was identified from stormwater mitigation, both in terms of treatment and volume reduction,

[34:34] was a project at Collins Park.

[34:37] The concept is to do a subsurface infiltration chamber, basically creating a chamber under

[34:45] the ground that could be tied into the existing storm sewer system to divert

[34:49] some of the water from up on the hill that comes by commons park before it

[34:54] heads down and it'll announce the block river. One of the things that

[35:01] the town has concerns about is the size of the current system and

[35:07] obviously a lot of the flooding type storms that we've had in the last

[35:13] a few years. And so they're worried about sizing the pipe in and how much damage could

[35:20] be done with, you know, additional water flow if any of these storms keep getting worse.

[35:25] A way we can do that is a reduction of water in some sort of civil trachea chamber or something.

[35:35] The town is going through, apparently, a municipal assistance grant.

[35:41] And part of that grant requires two different heads of meetings at the beginning of the project.

[35:48] One is follow-up with concerns meeting just to present the project, get feedback from folks in town,

[35:56] Ask questions about it and to find out if there's any other issues in the area that, you know, this may help resolve.

[36:06] The other part is an alternatives meeting. We're kind of combining those two tonight where we've come up with a couple of alternatives.

[36:15] And then we're presenting here and then we kind of decide which direction we want to go with it.

[36:21] The way I've set this alternative, the alternatives for this project is more based on location

[36:27] within the park.

[36:30] Once we get, once we pick out the sub-circuit chamber where our assumption is, we can look

[36:36] at each of these locations with the same chambers.

[36:40] There's a few different ones.

[36:41] They were provided in the memo, I'll show them to you a little bit earlier.

[36:45] But I think the location is probably more important because of the different things that are in the park, whether it's fall field, the many of the trees, the playgrounds, the parking area.

[36:59] So what we've looked at here is four different options.

[37:04] outside of a new build alternative that's always one of the requirements of these grants

[37:10] is to just think about what if we don't build and that's kind of the purposes.

[37:15] We're building to try and be a little bit more resilient for the existing stormwater system.

[37:22] So the alternatives that I have here are based on where they are in the park.

[37:27] As I mentioned, there is Alternative 2, which is right along Cherryville. Alternative 3,

[37:35] which is in the parking lot of the park. They grab a lot there. Alternative 4 is up by the

[37:43] playground and Alternative 5 is 100. And with each of those, there are some considerations

[37:51] that we're taking into account. Currently, the stormwater system runs along Cherryville

[37:56] and we would have to tie in somewhere along this.

[38:00] So one of the things we're taking into consideration is how far are we piping it to the system?

[38:07] Obviously along the eastern side here, we're a lot closer.

[38:13] There's a lot less piping to be needed.

[38:18] One of the other considerations is the environmental piece,

[38:22] or just what's in the way, what needs to be removed or replaced, things like that.

[38:30] So from an environmental perspective, if we're talking about mostly resources,

[38:35] as we would look at it as an engineering firm or anything like that,

[38:40] we're talking wetlands, rivers, things like that.

[38:44] Not really a concern here.

[38:46] So some of the other things we've looked at are their trees in the way.

[38:51] What type of surface are we talking about that would ultimately be removed and replaced?

[38:57] And so some of those considerations in this aspect are there was a few newer trees that were planted along here

[39:04] since the original concept was come up with. They're pretty small. They're handy a couple of years old.

[39:13] So those may go away, depending on if we can locate it here, maybe we can set it up again.

[39:22] I'm going to raise your hand, I'll follow on you.

[39:25] And if you do have questions, feel free to just breathe in and we can go back and forth.

[39:31] Just for people's information, if you speak, the camera is going to ship on a Zoom meeting,

[39:36] it's going to ship to you and it's, if you're watching, it can be disrupted.

[39:39] Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. You're fine. Yeah, I'll quickly recognize me and I'll just put it in our official with my name.

[39:47] Rules of one. I live in the neighborhood. It's research for conditions.

[39:51] Thanks, George.

[39:53] So that was one consideration we had here, particularly this location.

[40:01] In the parking area, obviously we'd have to remove the gravel parking and put it back, which becomes a little more expensive than just removing and replacing something with grass.

[40:17] So there's a little bit more when it comes to ultimately the cost because of the surface that we're replacing it again.

[40:26] And up here in this area, it looks like we may be able to do it a little bit this way,

[40:33] but there was talk of, all right, maybe we could put it somewhere around the playground,

[40:38] but then there are play structures, which I also understand are fairly old and need

[40:43] a replacement, but that's still something to consider in terms of where we're going

[40:47] to put this.

[40:49] If we do get too close to the play structure, some of those bigger trees may be more

[40:53] as well, which could be a big concern for folks.

[41:02] In the ball field area, obviously it's the entire

[41:06] ball field. We're tearing it up. We have to replace it either as is with the natural grass of

[41:14] sand. There was also a meeting with a couple folks from the town. We've discussed whether or not

[41:22] the maintenance on a an artificial turf field baseball field would be more

[41:30] palatable in the end. That way there's not a long term each year trying to redo the

[41:35] ball flow. That one more than likely is in terms of Boston what you're putting

[41:42] back is obviously going to be a little below in my opinion probably a lot more

[41:47] expensive. Also the factor and a lot of that comes with what we are, what you're

[41:55] putting back in here if it's just grass then you know that's probably your

[42:01] lease cost means the lease distance from the storm sewer it's also you know

[42:06] local lease intensive or what you do as a lot of seed and mulch. I think these

[42:13] we're going to be somewhere in the middle of the pack in terms of cost, just because we're

[42:19] putting back gravel for that, which is a little bit more expensive than your, you know,

[42:27] rich grass. And then the other one is considering the place terms for expenses to a little close

[42:31] to those and including the corporate cost. As I mentioned, involved in was spending mostly

[42:36] because they should do a lot more needed in terms of having a grade of flat, putting

[42:42] back with sand. It's kind of remade in a different way.

[42:48] And so those were kind of

[42:51] things that we took into account for this.

[42:56] As I mentioned, the chamber

[42:58] systems themselves, we assume if we're comparing costs for that, we're going to

[43:03] create a cost for the same chamber in each location, or at least the same

[43:07] size. And some of the shapes here are different with all the areas and

[43:10] That sounds like the same, that we can look at.

[43:13] So those cost themselves in an age case.

[43:20] Yes?

[43:24] Dan?

[43:28] I wasn't able to see from the map, how deep is the ledge underneath?

[43:35] We have not done any sort of plurings yet.

[43:40] The concept, when they did the concept a few years ago,

[43:44] there were test bits done to about seven feet, I believe,

[43:48] without getting any most of sand.

[43:51] But they only looked at one area, which was about right here.

[43:54] So that's something that we look at in the next phase of the project,

[43:59] as it starts to get into the form of a sexual design.

[44:03] That is a concern, but I think there's enough

[44:08] standing material around the center that's managed in.

[44:14] Do you want to follow up with me for more?

[44:17] Well, so where does the water go

[44:21] after it's in the soil?

[44:24] In the soil it will infiltrate into the soil until it

[44:28] slide you'll be able to go on so it's right so it's if we're going to go to the west down

[44:33] towards uh yeah I'm a striker for this south it's so much bigger it will and it'll depend on

[44:40] I don't know exactly how the ledge runs in this area but it will run by I guess is it runs towards

[44:46] First, where are you, Kat?

[44:48] Um, in my experience, the wedge runs more through the north and south.

[44:53] Um.

[44:55] Right.

[44:56] Two.

[44:57] Uh, three comments.

[45:00] One for the slide board, and then two for the gentleman here, but the presentation address

[45:04] is slide board first. The plan that's putting the reservoir block, where I remember you

[45:11] talked here, infiltration chamber, this sidewalk is a deformable condition. It would be great

[45:17] if in the process of doing this, the town could fix the sidewalk, too. As far as the

[45:23] well off goes. The hole already that lives here on this corner, I watched the

[45:28] gentleman lift the storm drain up from here and dig the debris out a couple of

[45:33] months ago himself because the swim water drains off in that direction goes down

[45:39] this road this way on this side. So I think about here over the water goes

[45:45] this way. And then one other thing for you, this is not Orchard Street, it's

[45:49] street now? It's all from street? Oh, whatever map I had was old.

[45:56] Google Maps. Probably.

[46:00] We'll fix that.

[46:04] Yes, so my understanding from the town and part

[46:12] of this project is helping reduce stormwater through this system here, which comes straight

[46:18] down Cherryville, it won't necessarily affect this at the moment. Yeah, I bet maybe there's another

[46:25] future project. It's a series regrading up the whole park connected to Harvard. Yes,

[46:31] and you did that. That's a minor question. So you've outlined how the different

[46:38] sort of roughly differences in costs. Yeah. Right. And so the sort of time with what the

[46:45] the negatives are fine for them.

[46:47] But would all the alternatives give us the same benefit

[46:51] in terms of achieving the goal of the country?

[46:54] Yes.

[46:54] Equally?

[46:55] Equally, yes.

[46:57] All right, I would anticipate that they're equally.

[46:59] There's only a very slight difference

[47:02] of tying into the stormwater system up here

[47:06] versus down here.

[47:07] It's one small section of the street

[47:09] that we're taking additional route.

[47:11] To follow up with this gentleman's question about the lid, so if you do start borrowing

[47:17] and you find that there is an issue, you're going to have to come back and sort of, we

[47:23] have to sort of re-do the budget and re-do what the cost might be.

[47:27] Yes, we would take a look at other, either way, we'll probably, we'll focus on one

[47:33] area first, based on the alternative, if we hit something that's unexpected and

[47:39] the depth is what we think it should have been, then we may consider another location.

[47:44] What is the plan? And when you discuss the process, I think, too, the part of, you know,

[47:49] the basing, the ballpark, the basing. Yeah, when I talk about it, it's more

[47:56] comparative the way, because right now, I don't necessarily have, like,

[47:59] far numbers to go with. It's more comparatively thinking about the different items that are

[48:05] needed for how these are going to be done.

[48:09] And we will do that too.

[48:10] I'm going to play a couple of games.

[48:11] We do, yes.

[48:12] That's enough football.

[48:14] Yes, that's part of the next step.

[48:17] When we get to our concept plan,

[48:20] we would actually put together a bookhead for it.

[48:26] Are you complete with your presentation now?

[48:32] Or do you continue with that question?

[48:34] Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's a lot of it.

[48:37] A lot of it I wanted to just present most of what I had.

[48:41] The only other thing I was going to bring up was the photos from that are on the next few pages.

[48:46] They always switch, but that's one of our questions.

[48:50] What do you call them all?

[48:52] Yeah.

[48:52] I can handle it.

[48:53] I understand the hands up, but we're trying to get through this.

[48:56] This is a meeting where we select board.

[48:58] Or is this a public hearing?

[48:59] It's both.

[49:00] It's both.

[49:00] Okay.

[49:02] So with that said, I'll go ahead and show a few photos of each other.

[49:08] So, okay, go ahead.

[49:11] Um, the park's elevation runs from north to south, right?

[49:18] Yeah.

[49:19] So if you could be facing in the northern part of the park,

[49:23] would you have to bury it deeper to make the water from the further down the whole park go to it?

[49:29] Yeah, so that was where some of the minor differences will be overall.

[49:36] On that way out there, we would tie into the stormwater system that reflects a lot of water on Cherry Hill.

[49:47] We would tie in up here, which would maybe not take as much of the roadway.

[49:53] But comparatively speaking to the 20 or so acres of runoff that we get, they come into the system up here.

[50:02] This would be a smaller amount.

[50:04] You know, the only additional benefits down here is you probably get some of the runoff from the roadway.

[50:10] So it's not a significant difference.

[50:13] Sorry, I'm understanding quickly that most of the runoff that is the problem has come off of Sherryville.

[50:18] Yeah, and it comes right into, well, Cherry Hill and Summer Hill, I guess I'm saying Cherry Hill is in the whole part of that.

[50:28] Well, I meant the part of the Cherry Hill to just be Cherry Hill before it leads to the part above.

[50:34] And then the storm system does belong to someone, too.

[50:38] That's well.

[50:42] Really questions on the structures.

[50:46] What is it designed by for the structures?

[50:49] They're pretty long.

[50:51] Most of them that we would use are some form of HMPU products,

[50:59] whether it be a Shamber or ER tanks,

[51:03] which I will get to those, what the different types are.

[51:07] The fingers, probably at least.

[51:11] You know, with regular maintenance,

[51:14] you look to maintain them a couple times a year,

[51:17] year, maybe once a year depending on how much actual sentiment and things you get in there.

[51:22] Usually we try and filter that out for most of the light of the center.

[51:26] Well, that's right. When they finally reach the end of their light and collapse, we expect

[51:33] them to give them a place to sit in a certain town with their athletes or a plan then

[51:38] to replace, we'll say, in 50 years, 75 years. I would imagine that the town will

[51:45] will be in the sessions to do boxes, similar to how they would essentially become part

[51:50] of your storage super system in the same way that they would have to replace piping

[51:56] along the streets every .5 or 15 years depending on the material.

[52:03] The other question of all construction is, how do you keep the wood chips out?

[52:11] I don't think I've ever been asked that question.

[52:17] Can you define the number of wood sharks?

[52:21] Yes, I can.

[52:24] There's four damn things.

[52:29] That knows where they're from.

[52:33] I would say hopefully they don't want to borrow.

[52:38] because most of them are surrounded by a lot of mysterious families.

[52:41] So I'll give them a bunch of very important reliefs.

[52:44] So I'm trying to get my arms around this because one of the op-eds is to do nothing.

[52:50] Yeah, here's that.

[52:54] And I'll let, sorry, I'm not going to let you in.

[52:57] All right, thank you.

[52:58] So, looking at used to be orchard stream, at least to be fair, it is fairy gill, the

[53:07] north end of that, that's where you're saying the water comes from. So, is there

[53:13] is there catch basins up there now that are collecting this water? Yes. Yeah. So,

[53:21] what is the issue that we're trying to solve here? Is it, is it, that's not a

[53:25] three acre parcel. It's not a three acre parcel. The issue is looking long term given what we've

[53:34] seen in the last few years of flooding and everything else. The way it's been presented to me is that

[53:44] the storm system right now at 15 inch height may not be big enough to handle some of the

[53:53] runoff that is coming out of there, especially if the storms start getting

[53:57] in there and and coming at us faster. And one of the things to look at before it

[54:05] starts real, the velocities really start increasing. For example, Barry Gill is to

[54:11] try and remove some of that, is to reduce it. So that way we can actually

[54:15] increase the lifespan of the system itself if you're not getting

[54:19] and people with that stuff insist on it.

[54:22] So with the purple or magenta,

[54:25] alternate two, alternative two?

[54:27] Great.

[54:28] Three, alternative three.

[54:29] I had a noble one.

[54:30] Yeah, we'd bring that,

[54:32] and see if we catch more water than the others

[54:35] or from the field itself,

[54:40] and we need to carry all and.

[54:42] It does not catch water from the field.

[54:46] Most of the field here

[54:47] actually runs the display. It comes off and it comes down with a common street

[54:53] this one. What it would do is it would allow you to capture from the catch

[54:59] basins that are along here so you get a little bit more water from the roadway

[55:04] itself. That's the biggest, you know, that's the part where you get the

[55:13] additional benefit, additional adoption. It's just for that. But again, prepare to

[55:19] the overall watershed. That's a fairly small portion. Just a little stormwater

[55:28] one-on-one so everybody's on the same page. We're not just talking surf water,

[55:32] surface water on the screen. It is the top of graphical water that comes out of

[55:38] people, the yard, the farms, the woods, all of that, that does drain and retouch

[55:42] spaces. The issue is the stormwater system in that area is underside given the amount

[55:50] of water that we see now and moving into the future. Yep. So these vaults, that would

[55:56] be a way of handling the surge so that it doesn't overwhelm the system

[56:00] downstream. Okay. If that helps you clarify if you said it better than that. If I may.

[56:10] I was in the interest in part of this. And some of you know why I'm an interested party.

[56:16] My first question, I think 3-5. What is the instruction work to connect Cherry Hill,

[56:27] How far up Cherry Hill would you be at, about so long?

[56:34] Okay. Do you want to answer?

[56:36] Yeah, one at a time.

[56:37] Actually, not up Cherry Hill. We would actually tie in to the system.

[56:43] So we put in a new manhole right here that would take water from this pipe

[56:49] and just divert it into the market.

[56:51] So it would be construction itself along the roadway would be pretty limited. Okay

[56:59] So too if I may stand out

[57:02] I'm the owner

[57:03] of this property

[57:07] There is a

[57:11] drain hole here. There's a drain hole here. There's a drain hole here

[57:16] This entire area of flux

[57:19] We're at the slightest ring.

[57:22] I

[57:23] doesn't come into that house, right? But if we're doing something, it would sure be nice to know that

[57:30] we're resolving something more. So, um, my concern is that the drainage up to this point

[57:39] is a very nice thing. So, you're not going, you're like, those things fill up with a

[57:48] half of an inch of rain, so, and they're played in bends, bends right in the end, oh by the

[57:54] way, I'm not sure what the hell it is.

[57:58] Some call it a dry well, but there's a hole on the

[58:02] ground, it shows down about 18, 20 feet, that fills up the heart beat. Again, not

[58:11] It often counts problem, but we're not quite sure what the hell it is.

[58:16] That was not part of that, right?

[58:19] It's not connected. It is a dry well. There's a grate in the yard.

[58:23] It's like it would be tasked with stormwater system, but it is not.

[58:27] Yeah. Sorry. So it was a more of a comment in my head.

[58:31] Third comment is I understand the costs.

[58:35] Jules made the point about the red zone.

[58:38] and if we're doing something it would be great to have a new sidewalk there. The

[58:44] swing sets and so they're old. I haven't seen a kid not have fun on them so I'm

[58:51] not as worried about those.

[58:54] That parking lot is a disaster and I know

[58:59] it's more expensive but if the town's going to have to pay either for a

[59:03] sidewalk or for a parking lot at some point it would be great to put it all

[59:07] a project at one time, then they have to process it and tell them, yes, that's a good look at that part of the project.

[59:15] And the sidewalk.

[59:17] And the sidewalk.

[59:18] So you don't look like that at all.

[59:20] Anyway, so those are my three comments, right?

[59:24] The uphill systems and orchard slash front is not captured.

[59:30] As a matter of fact, I lost half of my lawn because of the low-coming auto-hortures, which

[59:39] is, you would think, relatively flat.

[59:43] You can come and look at the Sherwood Hillside of mine, and I've got burns of sand from

[59:49] one of the rain clouds.

[59:52] I'm not looking for my own personal bed when I'm just giving you the data, yet I think

[59:56] It's a little more engineering what needs to be done.

[1:00:01] Appropriately sized, what needs to be addressed. I think I should at least have the conversation

[1:00:09] with the townspeople. Yeah, yeah, I'll get Ben's very, I know you're from New York. It could

[1:00:15] be, it could be, but Ben's, like I said, I'm not looking for a, yeah, but I'm just saying

[1:00:21] that if there's, so like, what are, what are we looking for for tonight? Part of the

[1:00:27] process in order for us to move the project along as they have this presentation, then

[1:00:34] there's other milestones and maybe there's some hits on the app, because there are some

[1:00:39] things that are required, NEPA and some other requirements, and then there's more design

[1:00:43] elements.

[1:00:44] We do have a local share, so I mean there's pieces of this, but this sort of gets us

[1:00:49] to the next phase of the brief project work.

[1:00:54] So the steps in this, as I mentioned, there's full concerns, alternatives.

[1:01:00] Typically there's an alternative chosen from this that the town would like to pursue.

[1:01:07] So one of these areas would be something that you want to still have got.

[1:01:15] And then the next step beyond that is putting together several plans and submitting environmental documents

[1:01:22] the need for approval from the state and the feds that this is going to have a significant

[1:01:30] impact on the life of those two next steps. After that, then we go into, you know, 60%

[1:01:37] design, 85% of that construction done. So is there a follow-up public appearance?

[1:01:45] When there doesn't need to be, you could direct us on an alternative tonight where

[1:01:51] you could ask for some additional time. There's a few, if there's other information you'd like to see,

[1:01:57] we can try and pull that together for you.

[1:02:03] And so, if there's anything else you'd like to see,

[1:02:05] we can ask that and we could make a decision on it. It's very exciting. We can pick our feet.

[1:02:11] Typically, yeah, the part of this process would be to select and all those part of this

[1:02:15] in the fall of it.

[1:02:21] It seems like most of the conversation has been around alternative two

[1:02:26] and alternative three.

[1:02:30] What would make the most sense and I see you get not an estimate of the

[1:02:36] cost but it's low cost, moderate cost, high cost. Yeah and I definitely think those are

[1:02:41] to probably those lower cost ones.

[1:02:47] I think the easiest one to do would be this one here,

[1:02:54] then you're just replacing the grass. If there's an additional benefit that you'd like to see,

[1:02:59] such as the parking lot being redone, I definitely think that is a worthwhile

[1:03:05] alternative to the zoo. That way you are actually capturing the maximum amount at this

[1:03:11] property and so like I said it may not be on it's just this short section of

[1:03:17] street but you're still catching capturing more for there and just so the

[1:03:23] boards were a long-term most this is constructed we have an obligation to

[1:03:27] maintain the system right so we have to go suck out Ontario and get to the actor

[1:03:32] you know so there is a long-term obligation beyond our local share right

[1:03:38] Let's see if you can open it.

[1:03:41] What is our liability right now with the existing stormwater drain

[1:03:46] and potential flooding, et cetera?

[1:03:49] Are we exercising the backstrikes on those?

[1:03:53] I'm sure we are.

[1:03:54] We cleaned the system, but I think Ben already explained.

[1:03:58] We're undersized.

[1:03:59] So in these larger events now, the system

[1:04:02] surcharges pretty quickly.

[1:04:04] So this will help that.

[1:04:06] We don't want to identify that.

[1:04:10] Mr. Chang?

[1:04:12] We have a question again.

[1:04:14] We've got a lot of questions, but I want to get to a point.

[1:04:16] This polling process, it seems like we're dancing around two locations,

[1:04:23] and we're going to have to do a study or a design of what's possible.

[1:04:28] I'd be proud to move this forward.

[1:04:32] Just one piece, the, I can't see from here. I think it's often three department law. Yep. There's question as well chip because the department building a property. Right. So not location. They become complicated because of ownership. Yep.

[1:04:51] I was just up here this past weekend and there was a good eight ten inches of water, you know that's some of the rain from it's all over there now.

[1:05:02] Okay I want to wrap this up so what are your next questions please let's keep it short.

[1:05:06] Yeah I have to do with that location in close to the apartment building.

[1:05:10] If you have infiltration of more water into the ground, what is the level of that with respect to the basement of the apartment building

[1:05:20] And we'll put water into the basement apartment door and put them down there or something, I would probably look at.

[1:05:26] I'm sorry, I don't think there's a basement.

[1:05:29] I don't know.

[1:05:31] Gerald, last question.

[1:05:32] Yeah, I was just going to say I live on the other end of the street up there and without my stump up, my basement is too tricky for all winter on that hill.

[1:05:39] Really?

[1:05:39] Just to inform the board of how to have some water problems with rent.

[1:05:42] Yeah.

[1:05:43] I would have

[1:05:51] said it.

[1:05:51] that I recommend alternative three over here, but then just put them up to you, put them up to your extra net.

[1:06:00] Well, we can determine ownership that should be able to.

[1:06:04] And even if you could establish an easement, you know, or a permanent easement for this.

[1:06:11] So, just not knocking it out with a little steel, making sure we're aware that that's involved.

[1:06:19] And the marking area wouldn't go away.

[1:06:23] No, it would just be replaced and we would, you know,

[1:06:28] re-grade it and maybe put in a structure to catch whatever's currently there

[1:06:33] or it would be graded better to shed water.

[1:06:37] Yeah.

[1:06:39] And that might help capture some of the water going west.

[1:06:43] Can I say that?

[1:06:45] Yes.

[1:06:46] It's definitely not good, but sometimes in this form or another, you can see the system.

[1:06:54] Okay.

[1:06:56] We need to make a decision.

[1:06:59] Alternative.

[1:06:59] There's a preferred alternative.

[1:07:01] It helps us move along with milestones and finding.

[1:07:04] If you want me to see if I can come up with some hard numbers, I can do that.

[1:07:09] I can do it for the next meeting.

[1:07:11] If you are okay with this, you can go from there.

[1:07:14] But as I said, you can.

[1:07:15] File a mechanical engineer. I'm looking at the civil engineer, and I'm looking for recommendations on which is the biggest bang for the buck for the

[1:07:22] Bulmore

[1:07:24] Yeah, I like I like three

[1:07:26] Gentlemen, I would like yeah, I would like the one in the parking lot

[1:07:32] Thank you

[1:07:33] it

[1:07:34] Does two things it version parking lot in the final product

[1:07:38] It gets you the most captured and it doesn't really affect any of your

[1:07:43] in any areas of the rest area, there's a really disrupt bunch of that.

[1:07:48] You'll have a short disruption of where you park,

[1:07:52] but I don't know how often that field is used

[1:07:56] by crowds, I guess. It seems like there are

[1:08:00] all the first 20 hours around the corner area that we use.

[1:08:07] Okay, I'm good.

[1:08:10] Hypothetically, you approve three

[1:08:13] If you make two plan B in the event that you have led,

[1:08:17] so that it doesn't have to come back,

[1:08:19] then we can just keep moving the process.

[1:08:22] Absolutely.

[1:08:23] All right.

[1:08:23] Off in one opposite.

[1:08:25] Yeah.

[1:08:34] That's like we're looking for a motion

[1:08:37] and select one of the old part of there

[1:08:39] so we can move this project forward.

[1:08:42] So the next step,

[1:08:43] But I make a move that we select as our primary option, option three for the stormwater mitigation

[1:08:55] project and a whole new option two is a secondary, you know, let's recap this out.

[1:09:05] Are we in the first thing for...

[1:09:07] Well, hang on.

[1:09:08] Hang on.

[1:09:09] Thank you.

[1:09:10] Okay.

[1:09:11] We have a motion.

[1:09:12] Do we have a second?

[1:09:13] I'll second.

[1:09:14] Thank you.

[1:09:14] So we have the point in

[1:09:18] the parallel.

[1:09:21] And I still haven't seen her saying that.

[1:09:23] She said she'd yell.

[1:09:26] Not yelling yet.

[1:09:28] Not yelling yet.

[1:09:30] Discussion from board members.

[1:09:33] And our VA is on.

[1:09:37] But, Chair, it would be nice to have some,

[1:09:39] I mean, he's got some failures, not failures,

[1:09:41] but he's got costs.

[1:09:43] Lawless, moderate, bias.

[1:09:45] What are the ranges of those?

[1:09:48] And I didn't point them down, but you got to have some idea of what this is going to run.

[1:09:55] Okay, and again, I can get you that.

[1:09:58] If you don't want to make the decision tonight, I can get you that.

[1:10:02] I can get you a better idea of that.

[1:10:06] We usually get into more of the nitty-gritty as we go through the process of each individual bit item, things like that,

[1:10:14] from a high level.

[1:10:19] I don't actually want to have that at the moment, but I'd like to do that very quickly.

[1:10:24] I'd like to know what your market price is, is what I'd like to know.

[1:10:28] Yeah. So again, I can get that something that if you're going to go hard, then I didn't

[1:10:36] think about that.

[1:10:37] Can I?

[1:10:39] Mike?

[1:10:41] Discussions?

[1:10:46] Breadbox?

[1:10:47] Mansion.

[1:10:49] Mansion.

[1:10:50] Quick.

[1:10:52] You give us some kind of centralized number, not of one specific thing, but if you were

[1:10:58] to take an aggregate number of where do you play the project would fall within that way.

[1:11:04] Let's say the stormwater system itself is, Heather's asked 500,000.

[1:11:14] You're putting back grass for that, now that's just a few thousand.

[1:11:21] The gravel itself is going to be maybe $20,000 more, something along the $5,000.

[1:11:32] On top of $500, there's other things.

[1:11:35] There's obviously the mobilization, the mobilization.

[1:11:37] It is like that.

[1:11:39] That we're not necessarily accounting for any sort of traffic control.

[1:11:44] Right, right.

[1:11:44] Those types of things.

[1:11:46] But the system, all being equal, each system you're putting in the infiltration chamber,

[1:11:51] we're assuming they'll do the same.

[1:11:52] Those are the same costs.

[1:11:54] Let's say $500.

[1:11:55] You know, then they travel itself.

[1:11:57] Again, that's probably down to $500.

[1:12:02] And there's just an 80-20 project based on the TAF.

[1:12:06] It's an eight percent.

[1:12:06] The 80 percent is the federal, 20 percent is the overall goal.

[1:12:09] Yep.

[1:12:10] Okay.

[1:12:10] All right.

[1:12:14] Here are the discussions.

[1:12:16] Four members.

[1:12:19] Comments from the audience.

[1:12:20] Good to go.

[1:12:22] The Latinos.

[1:12:26] Did you leave?

[1:12:28] Okay.

[1:12:31] There aren't any other comments from the audience.

[1:12:34] We'll be back if you go now.

[1:12:36] Just a quick question.

[1:12:40] How is this going to help

[1:12:41] mediate some people

[1:12:43] living in this problem?

[1:12:45] That may be a further discussion

[1:12:47] with the town as the product develops. Initially, it's been focused on the actual chamber system.

[1:12:55] I think we can discuss as we go along whether or not those things can be made.

[1:13:01] And then what volume of water does this maximize reducing if we go with the town?

[1:13:08] Not the little tap, the actual calculation that we did more on.

[1:13:17] And do we know what water we get typically falling from this road?

[1:13:21] 15-inch diameter, you knew what it was.

[1:13:23] Well, I'm kind of on the road.

[1:13:24] Because that's not where I see it down now.

[1:13:27] I see it blood down by the 10.

[1:13:29] I don't really remember it flooding there, does it?

[1:13:33] So are we remediating a problem?

[1:13:37] And I might be happy, but I feel like this

[1:13:40] might make more sense if we're

[1:13:42] for that drywall time, you know, as far as appeasing some of the flooding that's happening

[1:13:48] above this, you know.

[1:13:50] Well, we've also heard, and to your point, and that's a respectful point, but to the

[1:13:55] front street side, this isn't necessarily going to solve that either.

[1:14:02] This is just one attempt, and we may have to do multiple.

[1:14:07] If we're going to spend that much money, why don't we just make a bigger pipe?

[1:14:10] Why don't we just start replacing?

[1:14:12] That's going to have to happen anyway, right?

[1:14:16] Yes, this is the Joseph Andy that might not

[1:14:20] direct for desert as much water as we're hoping it will.

[1:14:23] Why don't we just start extending the pipeline

[1:14:24] so that everyone else isn't flooded up the hill either?

[1:14:27] So this does twofold as part of the project.

[1:14:31] Not only does it help the actual volume reduction,

[1:14:36] but infiltrating it does provide a water quality

[1:14:39] treatment as well. So as it filters through the sands or earth material,

[1:14:47] whatever it may be, down to pedderock or brown lard, ultimately ended up in the

[1:14:54] Black River, you're getting a treatment from, you know, for phosphorus and

[1:14:58] all of those other things.

[1:15:00] If we just expand the type and extend it down the river, it just gets there faster.

[1:15:06] If it gets in the river faster, the river becomes more raging and creates more erosion

[1:15:12] down the stream. I mean, it's going to happen anyway. One of the reasons they have this grant

[1:15:16] is a water quality approval project that's out the top. Right. And I'm not saying that's

[1:15:23] not a good idea. I'm just saying it might not be the right location altogether.

[1:15:26] get you know that that part you might not be the right location I know public

[1:15:32] but it might not be addressing what you're paying for and then that pipe that

[1:15:35] right on this going up there is too small thing how long is that going to last

[1:15:39] when does that need to be replaced is this makes sense to you and this if that

[1:15:42] needs to be replaced in five years there are so many projects in the

[1:15:47] stormwater master plan it's like eating an elephant we got to start somewhere

[1:15:50] And I think, unfortunately, there's, you know, there was no perfect answer.

[1:15:55] If we had unlimited resources, we would absolutely replace all those pipes.

[1:15:59] And so you get the same funding to do that from the federal government?

[1:16:03] No.

[1:16:03] This works because of the clean water impacts.

[1:16:06] And that's where we get the LJ only.

[1:16:08] If we replace that pipe, that pipe goes on the backs of the taxpayers on a ball of a bomb.

[1:16:15] Right.

[1:16:16] But there is definite needs.

[1:16:18] There are a whole host of projects that we need to take care of.

[1:16:21] I think there are ways that we can, if you want to, we have to talk about it a little bit more,

[1:16:29] but there are ways we can justify that this is part of the project and how to expand the scope.

[1:16:36] That being said, I don't know if that's going to happen, but I think we can justify that

[1:16:41] to extend still best part of this and then still be considered being out of

[1:16:47] profit. So maybe that's an extension we didn't have in this amount of time.

[1:16:51] Definitely built through the next set of the next round plans there.

[1:16:56] Okay.

[1:16:58] I'm going to call for the vote. Starting on my left.

[1:17:02] Doug Johnston.

[1:17:03] Hi.

[1:17:03] Christie Morris says aye.

[1:17:05] Howard Chase.

[1:17:06] Aye.

[1:17:06] Mike Schmidt.

[1:17:07] Aye.

[1:17:07] Heather Fran.

[1:17:08] Aye.

[1:17:10] Okay.

[1:17:11] First thanks for coming in this evening.

[1:17:13] A lot of questions.

[1:17:15] A lot of technical questions.

[1:17:17] We're not probably not ready to answer in this evening,

[1:17:19] but a lot to think about.

[1:17:22] There as well.

[1:17:23] Thank you.

[1:17:24] Thank you for your time.

[1:17:26] I appreciate all your time.

[1:17:37] Thank you.

[1:17:38] Thank you.

[1:17:39] I remember three public presentations

[1:17:44] for all the brown people

[1:17:46] do so EPA revolving loan funds for a 100 industry. So yeah David Johnson was talking about. Hang on,

[1:17:57] hang up. You all separate him. Yeah so this is just again it's part of their requirements because

[1:18:03] the revolving loan fund has various outreach and community relations types of activities

[1:18:11] and notice this is our opportunity to listen to this information from David and

[1:18:18] then give the public a chance to have talents as we try to try to get funding

[1:18:24] for the next phase of the cleanup for this specific property. So that's sort of

[1:18:30] our objective here this evening. I think David can walk you through his

[1:18:34] for both of them which you have to help me to back it. Okay now David. Yeah there's

[1:18:44] a couple of slides in here. I think I'm going to skip through them and there's not

[1:18:50] too much. You've probably seen some of them very similar. I've seen them in the last month.

[1:18:57] I'm going to fill John's Lampson's site as well. This is very similar. This is for

[1:19:03] The other industry property don't work without the new owner with their environmental problems

[1:19:12] as they continue to work on redeveloping it and as a solution to have the practices

[1:19:18] in order for the owners are trying to leverage by mouse that vision to help support the mediation

[1:19:28] to happen specifically when it's said.

[1:19:32] PCBs that are in the field of interior

[1:19:34] and it was from, you know, historical use of the property

[1:19:36] as a manned action facility passes a problem with

[1:19:40] many properties here and all the places that come on.

[1:19:45] So as I said, there's been some help,

[1:19:48] some funding by the primary owner to work,

[1:19:51] especially on areas that aren't as contaminated

[1:19:53] or primary development and property use for these years.

[1:19:56] and then they're seeking funding for the step-by-step

[1:19:59] of the initial funding.

[1:20:03] Probably itself, you're not familiar,

[1:20:07] developed in my 1800s, and in the late 1800s,

[1:20:12] it would be identified by the fellow's beer shaper,

[1:20:16] but it's actually a machine shopping

[1:20:19] with at least a couple of coils that have PCBs in it.

[1:20:23] This guy kind of sprayed all over the field, I think, just through normal machine.

[1:20:31] And around, I think it's 1983, they moved down.

[1:20:37] And then it suddenly became more aware of all this environment of all the shoes, starting as needle tanks,

[1:20:43] the weight of ideas, and then there was more assessment done, and I don't know, 2000s.

[1:20:50] There's probably corrective action by average, essentially, as Dr. was saying, what they're

[1:20:56] planning to do, how they're going to help clean and mitigate risk, as was done by Johnson

[1:21:01] Deputy in 2009.

[1:21:03] There are, you may remember, some initial activities were done between 2009 and 2014,

[1:21:09] but parts of the buildings were occupied.

[1:21:12] There were some funding challenges with continuing to basically remedy the whole

[1:21:18] building for occupancy. And so, there was a new owner that started in 125th. They've been investing

[1:21:29] some more money into some of the different plans that required redoing the correct action plan

[1:21:36] on parts of it. But essentially, and then inside of that, there's a couple different alternatives

[1:21:42] Obviously, someone was discussed and said, oh, this is kind of where this presentation

[1:21:50] is just laying out.

[1:21:52] Those alternatives that were evaluated and what was selected, there were two maps in

[1:21:57] the slides that showed the portions of the building that had been remediated and the

[1:22:02] portions that are still within further focus in this work that we're interested

[1:22:08] in.

[1:22:09] specific. Essentially, that gets with APCA, and I'll sit around with three of

[1:22:15] alternatives, and some of them discuss the board, their effectiveness,

[1:22:20] feasibility, and cost, and these different remediation and mitigation

[1:22:24] activities to prevent the best-of-pick of our arguments.

[1:22:30] There's this little layout,

[1:22:32] a couple of three different alternatives we looked at for these

[1:22:35] of the area. The building that hadn't been renovated yet is the Nile Action Spachibus,

[1:22:42] but it doesn't allow the building to be used essentially. The two alternatives are we can

[1:22:47] either cut out the materials that have been impacted by PCBs and send it away to the

[1:22:54] windmill, or we can cover it, which is commonly done, which prevents direct contact with

[1:23:02] material and prevents it from outgassing and being arrested and the battle

[1:23:08] term has been used on the other portions of the building where there used to be

[1:23:13] impacts but successfully. There's details on this on slide 12 and it lays out the

[1:23:21] different key aspects of it. So the no action, it relates to the place,

[1:23:31] There's breast, there remains, re-involvements for strange, like an ulterior, which is higher

[1:23:38] as they have, will pollute the contamination in these areas that haven't been mediated yet.

[1:23:44] It's most played removal and there's no risk at all.

[1:23:49] But it does have some challenges and it's pretty significant disruption to the

[1:23:58] This is pretty much all, it's just the complexity of cutting out slab on second story floors

[1:24:04] and certainly walls are in fact, and then the third option is encapsulation barrier

[1:24:11] is to cover typically with like a two layer constant paint, let's just see when it's

[1:24:19] starting to deteriorate, the slab is covered in the forge, it's concrete, they're preparing

[1:24:24] barrier. There's two fellas added. This recent addition was a barrier drywall cover that

[1:24:33] was also used in our third all day. Essentially, the owner and our crew, that kind of assessment

[1:24:43] decided that this encapsulation method is going to be used on, of course, the building

[1:24:48] It is out of the fastest and most effective way to get this building leaving it and usable by tenants.

[1:24:58] So that was the solution we came up with and selected and it's empty now.

[1:25:03] It's not going to be less expensive than the removal and probably start the redevelopment process.

[1:25:09] It will lose finished walls.

[1:25:12] So,

[1:25:16] just currently a public comment period is open. It ends October 2nd. You can submit comments to the GAAP, and then just add their assessments.

[1:25:26] The documents are available online, as well as our copies are enrolled at all.

[1:25:35] reviewing the hope is that once we get there's no significant comments they can

[1:25:41] start implementing these changes pretty much immediately and turn the space

[1:25:47] around and being a usable for commercial leases probably that spring and I

[1:25:53] can get all the concrete in and drywall right some pieces there are some other

[1:26:02] the needs of the property that will be reviving. Now, road, we're doing demolition of a small

[1:26:10] building, some of the site works, so last year, so when the sewage was assessed, we got out the gap

[1:26:19] with no development plans. So, on this kind of final slide here, there's more information

[1:26:28] about a bit of contact and questions. There's also a website for the property on 100, the

[1:26:37] number, and then we have the street.com that has more than fictional involvement, so it's

[1:26:42] opposite of reports. So I'm just trying not to go up and end it there.

[1:26:51] Yeah, happy to

[1:26:52] Any other questions or comments?

[1:26:58] Thanks, David.

[1:27:00] How does this work?

[1:27:03] The company is privately owned.

[1:27:05] They're willing it.

[1:27:06] They have applied for a grant through

[1:27:08] the Ministry of Regional Information.

[1:27:11] Is there a local match in the town

[1:27:12] that they didn't require?

[1:27:16] The grant

[1:27:17] would work through the town

[1:27:18] to the owners?

[1:27:21] So the grant is, or it's not going to be a grant, it's a loan, a room out of Stutney

[1:27:28] Regional Commission, who has their own board that will assess the application and manages

[1:27:34] their loans and grants.

[1:27:37] So they will determine whether they will receive a money, and this is fairly not like

[1:27:45] best forum to provide the public kind of college presentation that we have to be in. So there's no

[1:27:54] selective action item. We don't have a local match. We don't have a local match.

[1:27:59] Really, I think informational as well as obviously redevelopment of all of these proper

[1:28:04] properties in our long-term best interest. So we certainly want to see as many people

[1:28:08] and the most was with the cost of the can.

[1:28:11] So that's given, but I'm just trying to get how the,

[1:28:14] that thought with grants, I apologize, it's a loan.

[1:28:17] How then is it?

[1:28:18] They have a combination.

[1:28:19] They do have grant and loans.

[1:28:21] Sometimes that's it.

[1:28:22] The board, they'll make that determination of the can,

[1:28:28] but it's a bonus for our pitch.

[1:28:34] So you're looking for public comment or?

[1:28:38] I can take questions or you can spit questions

[1:28:45] Yeah. And we have some people here that might still want to ask questions whether it's

[1:28:49] where those questions can be asked or I know you get a QR code on one page here and we

[1:28:56] get email addresses. And I'm looking at the questions. The public comments go to

[1:29:04] people on move and gmail.com is the best for my impression it's off the last page and so

[1:29:13] and we don't need an action item on the work but

[1:29:29] the board members and those in attendance

[1:29:31] and I'm also attending by Zoom participants.

[1:29:35] So, this is a project at 100 River Street

[1:29:38] that has long been in the works,

[1:29:42] and it sounds like they may be having some traction

[1:29:45] to move them forward to expand the use for building

[1:29:50] and public comments are efficient.

[1:29:58] I'm not seeing any attempts.

[1:30:00] In here, stay tuned, there may be more coming. But thank you for again, David, presenting that. Appreciate it.

[1:30:15] I don't know before, resident request review, Eureka Road conversation in facts.

[1:30:20] So, I did have a written correspondence in your packet, but Mr. Kemp had some concerns about the work that was being done on the Eureka Road

[1:30:32] and some of the decisions that were made in terms of what we were going to do for

[1:30:38] paved surfaces and other surfaces that were going to be grabbed. So we rode, I

[1:30:46] wasn't here when it started but my understanding was that it grew into a

[1:30:50] larger project so we started doing phases just because some of the

[1:30:56] Boston just the general impact of what we were getting into. At one point in time

[1:31:04] there was conversations about what would make sense in terms of inversion of

[1:31:10] some of the paved circles and leaving it as gravel once we get down the portion

[1:31:13] of that work. So there was a natural point where that made sense to

[1:31:19] transition from paved to gravel. There are quite a few other as you head in

[1:31:26] that direction, we see more and more gravel, those of more big surfaces.

[1:31:31] So that was part of the program planning for that specific project.

[1:31:36] I will speak for Mr. Camp, but you can certainly read in his email of his correspondence to

[1:31:43] us that he has some concerns about that decision and was wanting to at least bring it to

[1:31:51] the board's attention.

[1:31:55] And as you saw, my written correspondence, that while it's never, you know, our goal is to never aggravate or upset people.

[1:32:05] There are certain times when we have to make some decisions based on reasonableness and what makes the most sense in terms of investment for the dollars that were allocated.

[1:32:14] And in this instance, it did make sense to not continue to pay surface and to allow that

[1:32:22] then to be maintained as a gravel load.

[1:32:24] And my baller gravel roads would do the dust treatments and be regular maintenance to make

[1:32:29] sure that they're in the best condition that they can be in.

[1:32:33] However, that decision was of a concern to Mr. Camp.

[1:32:39] So he wanted to bring it to the board's attention.

[1:32:41] So that's who brought us to this item here on your agenda to save you.

[1:32:46] And this is the upper end of the legal road?

[1:32:50] Yes.

[1:32:53] And then we're going to stop at which intersection then on Jonathan?

[1:32:59] So, Barlow, Greeley, will be the end of payment.

[1:33:07] There's still another strike with full payment that needs to be removed.

[1:33:13] about the official end of payment.

[1:33:18] Yeah, and the last time I entered a man who was fairly recently,

[1:33:22] that's a pretty rough-shaped film. Yeah.

[1:33:26] But the new paid sections are awesome. And the

[1:33:29] graded section up on top of the new culverts in this,

[1:33:33] that was a good shape.

[1:33:37] Yeah.

[1:33:41] So you just bring it to our attention

[1:33:42] and the culverts, you know. And we

[1:33:48] We will have a follow-up with Mr. Kemp who just, again, he felt strongly that he needed

[1:33:53] to sit at the door so that you had an opportunity to see it and understand what his concerns

[1:33:58] were.

[1:33:59] Yep.

[1:34:00] And certainly, not to downplay his concerns because, in circumstances, you know, legitimate

[1:34:06] and the eyes of people bringing that concern, we just thought from a policy and investment

[1:34:14] standpoint decisions that may seem to make sense, and certainly you'll work

[1:34:20] with them on whatever concerns there might be on that. The ultimately, again,

[1:34:26] when they're graveled, they're exposed to the cave surface.

[1:34:32] We just signed our

[1:34:33] mileage certificate. I don't want to do it. We do it every February, you guys. Yeah.

[1:34:39] Yeah, we've formed awesome the number of miles of gravel roads in Springfield.

[1:34:48] 120 miles, all of them, 95 are faith.

[1:34:57] So, we're going to look at to be a 30-some-mile gravel road.

[1:35:03] Yeah, 33.

[1:35:05] Right.

[1:35:05] Yeah.

[1:35:09] Just to put our perspective.

[1:35:11] Right.

[1:35:12] Yeah.

[1:35:15] All right.

[1:35:15] So I don't specifically need an action from you. It's just more, I think, an awareness

[1:35:22] and we did, you know, based on his concern he wanted was brought up to the board.

[1:35:27] That's a normal matter, so we've done that.

[1:35:33] Okay. Questions from the board?

[1:35:36] Good.

[1:35:41] Harry?

[1:35:43] You wanted an item from?

[1:35:47] About 2027 the annual meeting special appropriations policy.

[1:35:51] So you'll have two different actions to take this evening.

[1:35:56] One is for just the way organizations would be defined in the Vermont statute, right?

[1:36:01] So one was for agencies and providers that are listed under 24 BSA 2691

[1:36:10] and the other would be for those that are not defined by 24 BSA 2691.

[1:36:15] want. And then once this is adopted, if it does then give the organizations a

[1:36:23] roadmap as to how they would then be eligible to present for inclusion for

[1:36:33] work and again. And this is an annual event that we do, actual annual

[1:36:42] They're the same policies just moved forward.

[1:36:45] Yeah, no changes.

[1:36:46] No changes.

[1:36:47] Step to the date.

[1:36:50] And if they're approved, then I'll take care of making sure that agencies that were involved

[1:36:57] get noticed so they can start their planning.

[1:37:02] Oh, sure.

[1:37:03] Like, when is the filing date?

[1:37:06] Somebody with a new organization that wants to apply?

[1:37:12] I think it's going to be January 14th.

[1:37:15] Oh, so that late, I mean.

[1:37:18] Yeah, that's for the 5%.

[1:37:20] OK.

[1:37:21] I'm going to start it up.

[1:37:22] OK.

[1:37:24] These policies are agencies that are going to be approved in the past.

[1:37:28] So new agents.

[1:37:29] They're going to level fund.

[1:37:31] They're going to ask for level fundings,

[1:37:33] and either decide to level fund and send this letter for a letter.

[1:37:39] Yeah.

[1:37:39] And they'll go forth with the same appropriation that they had in the past.

[1:37:43] or they'll decide to step out in the policy competition for more money.

[1:37:52] What if it's a new organization?

[1:37:54] New organization, it depends on where it falls,

[1:37:57] whether it's defined by 24, 2691 or not.

[1:38:02] If it's not defined, it has to be approved by the lawyers for three consecutive years.

[1:38:09] Right.

[1:38:09] Yes, but applying for when, when do the 14th, that's January 14th, so your petition, you're

[1:38:19] talking about a petition, that's the January 14th, what you have in front of you tonight

[1:38:23] is circumventing that.

[1:38:26] Got it, okay.

[1:38:30] Do we require them to submit every court once they receive this, will be talented,

[1:38:35] what was that evidence?

[1:38:36] That's part of the policy requirement is they must attend town meeting and last year we had

[1:38:44] everyone except for two. And they were two of the known entities that have always participated

[1:38:50] in past, so I'll hear about them in depth, something else was going on. But yes, they

[1:38:56] have to attend town meeting, they have to provide a report, it's published.

[1:39:01] Now, if they don't do that, is there any repercussions for not doing that?

[1:39:05] No, I'm not then.

[1:39:11] Have you been to one of our meetings?

[1:39:15] Sometimes it's tough to have people say they're bored all day.

[1:39:19] And there is, if the support ever wants, there is a financial report that can request a 990.

[1:39:29] If you ever want to request that, we've got them.

[1:39:32] And

[1:39:35] we'll ask you from the state name is just to adopt, you know, it's adopted annually.

[1:39:41] So it will only be in effect before the 2027 town meeting with the two specific policies

[1:39:48] in order of special appropriation.

[1:39:50] We can do these jointly.

[1:39:52] Oh, I think so.

[1:39:53] Yeah.

[1:39:54] So one is the second sign to separate these.

[1:39:57] Yes.

[1:39:58] Yeah.

[1:39:58] One is a special appropriations policy, the other is a social service appropriation

[1:40:03] policy.

[1:40:03] Yeah.

[1:40:04] Right.

[1:40:05] We'll make the motion that we adopt both policies for the special appropriations for the 2027

[1:40:10] Signal Town meeting.

[1:40:11] Policy.

[1:40:12] Thanks.

[1:40:13] And we do have a motion in second to adopt the two special appropriation policies for

[1:40:21] the 2027 Signal Town meeting.

[1:40:24] Is there further forward discussion?

[1:40:27] And again, I would just like to reiterate, this is an annual alert that we can then

[1:40:31] to do it now for many years.

[1:40:33] Yeah, since 2013.

[1:40:35] Yep, 13 years almost.

[1:40:37] This would be the 14th film.

[1:40:40] I'll ask the audience, including Zoom participants.

[1:40:44] Dan.

[1:40:45] I have a question.

[1:40:48] Is there any auditing to ensure that these organizations

[1:40:53] move what they say they're doing?

[1:40:58] Not by us, no.

[1:41:00] there. I'm sure they have their own auditing. Let's go through it as public entities, but

[1:41:07] following. I think there was one here. Again, that could be wrong. Maybe I dragged it. One

[1:41:15] aid to see that they weren't going to complete their mission.

[1:41:23] Oh, is it? Yes. They sort

[1:41:29] certified themselves. They're no longer provided service. So the money just stays. Yes, that's

[1:41:34] appropriate. Yeah, well, yeah, that's the one. But they don't get the distribution so awkward.

[1:41:41] Right. And they didn't do the work they didn't do. They didn't get the payment. Right. And there is

[1:41:45] one agency on the list that has closed down with the String Mountain RSVP. They were getting a

[1:41:53] 25 from the Gallaudet renovation of their top of the list.

[1:41:59] Other comments?

[1:42:01] We're in Zoom Christmas.

[1:42:04] Here I'm seeing nine.

[1:42:05] I'll call for a motion.

[1:42:06] It's starting on my left.

[1:42:07] I'm Johnston.

[1:42:08] Aye.

[1:42:08] Christy Morris says aye.

[1:42:10] Tower Chase?

[1:42:10] Aye.

[1:42:11] Mike Schmidt?

[1:42:12] Aye.

[1:42:12] Anne?

[1:42:13] And the Fram?

[1:42:14] Aye.

[1:42:16] And it's fine and affirmative and they are so adopted.

[1:42:20] Thanks for all your work on that problem.

[1:42:22] You're welcome.

[1:42:24] Yes, Scott.

[1:42:25] I was being circulated.

[1:42:26] Yeah, we both get assigned.

[1:42:27] Yeah.

[1:42:27] Writer's friend.

[1:42:30] We won't try money.

[1:43:21] We're on item seven, award contractor, phase one of the Wall Street wall right there.

[1:43:26] So, we did advertise for bids.

[1:43:28] We had a pretty good meeting.

[1:43:29] We did get two bids submitted.

[1:43:32] And that's on the bid tabulation which we provided to the board.

[1:43:36] We recommended that Neil Daniels, Incorporated, be awarded a contract in the amount of $137,875.

[1:43:50] In discussions with them after their submittal, they would be able to start work late September, early October.

[1:43:59] I think it's about a 30-day construction period, so there's no confidence that it will be done

[1:44:04] in early November.

[1:44:06] Well, in advance have been in the significant winter weather.

[1:44:11] So, our recommendation is the Board authorize me to enter into the contract with Daniels.

[1:44:17] As we had talked previously, this is only the first phase of this project.

[1:44:22] We will only get a second phase that will be coming with more involvement later on

[1:44:26] in the strength for a board tax summit.

[1:44:34] What is your report?

[1:44:37] I reviewed it.

[1:44:38] I moved and we offer as a time manager to award the contract.

[1:44:42] Neal H. Daniels Eek for the Wall Street Wall Repair,

[1:44:48] phase one.

[1:44:51] So $137,000, $875.

[1:45:01] Are there a second? I'll second it. Thank you, members. If you have a motion and a second

[1:45:06] did to authorize the town manager to award a contract to the LHVM as Incorporator for the

[1:45:12] Wall Street Wall Repairs Phase 1, with a bid price of $137,875. Is there any discussion

[1:45:20] from both of them? During that time period of 30 days, how's that going to affect

[1:45:28] I have to brag a lot for some employees,

[1:45:30] but people being taxed.

[1:45:32] There'll be some restrictions on working from there.

[1:45:35] There we go.

[1:45:36] Right along with all the visitors down the road.

[1:45:40] So we'll try to relocate.

[1:45:42] We'll talk to the bank about using some folks

[1:45:44] to add to the other part we got down here.

[1:45:47] There'll be a lot of, you know,

[1:45:49] transition apart with folks.

[1:45:52] They've already been doing work

[1:45:53] and we've had them.

[1:45:56] We've already had two, not far from in the back end of the report, so it's worth trying.

[1:46:07] Funding?

[1:46:08] What does the funding come from?

[1:46:10] We'll have to take it out of our reserve fund for purchasing walls.

[1:46:15] If you have funds available, since this was an unplanned expense,

[1:46:19] then phase two will be part of our budget discussions as we go forward.

[1:46:24] Thank you, sir.

[1:46:27] Any discussion from board members?

[1:46:32] Comments from the audience?

[1:46:34] Dan?

[1:46:36] First of all, Jim, at the end of phase one,

[1:46:40] we would expect that this section of Wall Street

[1:46:42] will be able to be flagged again.

[1:46:46] No.

[1:46:50] We'll have it buttoned up for the winter,

[1:46:52] but it will not be two-way,

[1:46:54] so we can finish the second phase.

[1:47:02] Second question, respiration of the stairway. I understand that phase one has removal of the stairway.

[1:47:13] Phase two, that was a great question to answer with.

[1:47:17] We had not designed the second phase.

[1:47:21] that I can tell you at this point, given how much we're already spending on the first phase

[1:47:26] that I would not recommend that we restore the stairway.

[1:47:29] It will make this possible that we don't have any grant or other funding available to offset

[1:47:35] this cost.

[1:47:36] So this is all on taxpayer.

[1:47:41] Are you going to get another question or comment?

[1:47:45] So, if you go, restore the stairway, is there a legal process for terminating a pedestrian

[1:47:54] rider wave?

[1:47:58] Well, we own the land, so there wouldn't have been any private property that would have extended

[1:48:04] us any kind of an easement.

[1:48:07] So it's just basically, we just go away.

[1:48:09] Yeah, but presently, or when the stairway was in operation, it was essentially a pedestrian

[1:48:20] right of way for people to go up and down.

[1:48:23] Right.

[1:48:23] So you're closing a pedestrian right of way, and I'm wondering if you need to have hearing,

[1:48:31] you have a vote that's kind of needed, what is the process we're just continuing

[1:48:35] about pedestrian right of way?

[1:48:37] I'm not aware of any specific obligation to that.

[1:48:40] We still have to sidewalk and there's still pedestrian access on Wall Street.

[1:48:44] It just won't happen.

[1:48:45] Cut to you down the hill.

[1:48:51] So your opinion doesn't mean they'll not mean to have a guarantee to continue to use.

[1:48:57] That will be my recommendation to the moment.

[1:49:00] And certainly the board has to look at the process.

[1:49:05] To tell me to add it for other things.

[1:49:07] And we either add it in on the subsequent phases or we just don't.

[1:49:13] Right.

[1:49:17] I was just, I don't know what it could be on my mind.

[1:49:21] Statutes that were in control,

[1:49:25] like establishing right away, or moving right away.

[1:49:29] I'm just asking if they don't know.

[1:49:31] Yep.

[1:49:32] Yep.

[1:49:32] Do you have another question?

[1:49:34] No.

[1:49:34] Thank you.

[1:49:35] Go.

[1:49:36] Yeah.

[1:49:36] I don't know if you remember, Christy, but I brought this up in a slope form meeting

[1:49:39] about six years ago about health pedestrians leaving the end of Wall Street there crossing over

[1:49:45] Summer Street were kind of hazardous because there's no sidewalk on the side so maybe there would be

[1:49:51] a way in the future to get a sidewalk on that side. Currently people walk up from Main Street up

[1:49:56] and up the road and it's just so hard to cross. You can't stop a car in the winter it's

[1:50:03] It's still dangerous to put a desk read across something.

[1:50:08] That hasn't gone away.

[1:50:13] Other comments?

[1:50:16] Hearing none, including zone participants,

[1:50:19] by the way, I have seen any hands up,

[1:50:20] so not seeing any other comments or discussion.

[1:50:25] I'll call for the vote.

[1:50:26] Standing on my left with Doug Johnson.

[1:50:27] Aye.

[1:50:28] Christy Moore says aye.

[1:50:30] Howard Chase?

[1:50:31] Aye.

[1:50:32] Mike Schmidt?

[1:50:32] Aye.

[1:50:33] Ian Heather-Pram?

[1:50:34] Aye.

[1:50:36] It is five and affirmative and we are fading along there.

[1:50:41] Thank you for that work on that.

[1:50:43] It's been an ongoing process to seem like several years now

[1:50:48] or recently with a collapse.

[1:50:51] Kristi.

[1:50:53] I make one comment.

[1:50:54] So, Dan, I just looked it up.

[1:50:56] There is no Vermont statute regarding pedestrian

[1:51:01] public right-of-way only road.

[1:51:03] Right

[1:51:07] on number eight, consideration of contract award for the Cemetery Sexton Certancies.

[1:51:12] So I guess over many years, we've had a relationship with the Davis Memorial Chapel for various

[1:51:20] services that they have provided when they have a town of various else in town, cemeteries.

[1:51:26] And it was, I guess, an informal relationship.

[1:51:29] And now that we have made some changes, we have some other things that are happening,

[1:51:35] It made sense to make sure that we had these additional services that's laid out as well

[1:51:44] as provide some opportunity to form our business relationship with them.

[1:51:49] So they did provide us a proposal understanding as it's gone through discussions and a couple

[1:51:56] of different cemetery mission needs by the moment.

[1:51:58] You know, we were waiting for the cemetery mission was waiting for this part first.

[1:52:03] Okay.

[1:52:03] They'll meet after their meetings.

[1:52:06] So this will then begin, I think, at least putting us into a more formal relationship.

[1:52:15] They've been doing these activities for an extended period of time without any of the real sense of sort of relationship with the town, except for worth.

[1:52:30] That was something they always did.

[1:52:32] And we just wanted to make sure that these things now are memorialized.

[1:52:37] It helps us in terms of operating the facility.

[1:52:40] They do a good job with these services.

[1:52:43] So we're sitting on our supporting that we continue this relationship.

[1:52:48] And given what they proposed to us, it's not a huge burden on the relationships that are never operating or maintaining the center fair.

[1:52:56] So our recommendation would be that we formalize this relationship with their various services,

[1:53:05] and then, again, I think refer this back to the SEM 30 Committee for any other important additional

[1:53:11] comments.

[1:53:14] Commission, I apologize.

[1:53:17] So just for a point of interest, the various services offered it was informal.

[1:53:24] And now we have it written, well, we're going to adopt it.

[1:53:29] Yeah, is there any changes to that, or is it as it was?

[1:53:35] There are changes.

[1:53:41] It takes the full burial out of the hands of the town,

[1:53:48] and now it's placed with Davis Memorial professional services,

[1:53:53] Jackson will do all those services, coordinate with the doing of the graves.

[1:54:01] So it takes that piece and hands it off to the Jackson.

[1:54:06] The earned burials.

[1:54:09] There's a small increase in the fee that he will need to charge to make it viable for him.

[1:54:17] So there'll be a little bit of an increase.

[1:54:18] I think it's about $100 for earned burials on the weekday and the 350 on Saturdays.

[1:54:24] It's a little bit no Sundays.

[1:54:29] And again, we'll take the town out of it with the responsibility

[1:54:36] of the professional sex. And

[1:54:43] Davis Memorial will still do all of the meeting with potential buyers

[1:54:49] of cemetery lots in the cemeteries, discussing what's available, as they

[1:54:55] always have, you know, helping with prospective buyer pick out a lot, and the

[1:55:01] town will still be the one creating the team, settling the lives, but he will

[1:55:08] We'll still continue to do the handholding for that part.

[1:55:19] Okay.

[1:55:20] And it's going to provide at least some continuity with the monument healers,

[1:55:26] making sure that the monuments that go in are respected and taken with civility.

[1:55:32] Well, I'm sure it is helped in other words.

[1:55:36] It is a very unique position that is hard to keep falling.

[1:55:40] anymore in any profession, we don't find people's stains for a long period of time.

[1:55:45] But this is a way that we have a professional in-town that does the

[1:55:51] variable to overseed the plot location. We don't need to be as high as any that side of it.

[1:56:05] So we're looking for an action item to authorize a provision of variable

[1:56:09] services offered by Davis from a little capital effective 921.6. Yes. Some of such but thank you

[1:56:21] members. Do you have a motion and second to do just that? Authorize the provision of

[1:56:26] burial services offered by Davis from out of capital that is effective 921.6. Is there

[1:56:34] or further bold discussion regarding the bulletin.

[1:56:40] Yeah, I'm up.

[1:56:42] Chris, is there anything downability-wise as far as

[1:56:46] if there's complaints and stuff like that

[1:56:48] if this doesn't work out?

[1:56:53] Or is this going to contract or understanding

[1:56:58] going to be from year-to-year type thing?

[1:57:05] I'm not seeing this as a contract.

[1:57:07] I'm perceiving it as a handout, but then.

[1:57:10] Well, it outlines, I think, some fees and some expectations, and I think it also provides

[1:57:15] the kind of new deal of service that the department described that they would do in various ways

[1:57:21] and come with it.

[1:57:23] Well, I think it's, I'd put it as a contract list, but that's the language that you've

[1:57:28] discussed it in.

[1:57:29] So, but if there's another provider or there's some reason another one in the home office

[1:57:35] of suggestions and opens up a Springfield location.

[1:57:41] That's something we probably will talk about in the back of that.

[1:57:51] And the fees are going to, to that point, the fees that are listed here, will they now

[1:57:59] control those fees or do we still have them as a tab?

[1:58:02] So it's a little tricky because the cemetery commissioners have the control over fees.

[1:58:09] Right.

[1:58:09] And then did they come to us?

[1:58:13] So it just all snowballed.

[1:58:16] What the hell it was.

[1:58:18] They came and let you know they were increasing the fees

[1:58:21] and at the same time the public works was losing its sex

[1:58:25] and of course there's a cemetery ordinance in the middle

[1:58:29] of that as well.

[1:58:31] And this option rose to the top of probably

[1:58:35] a better way to go.

[1:58:36] So the cemetery fishers will meet in the beginning of October, and I anticipate they will ratify this.

[1:58:47] That will accuse themselves, there will be any commissioners that will they consider.

[1:58:53] It's the best alternative for taking care of our citizens and the people who are buying lots

[1:59:01] and we still have families very, very, that we need to expand on their lots.

[1:59:08] And the ties in whether or not we're signifying with a digital project that we didn't believe.

[1:59:14] So these two things will fold hand-in-hand and have a problem that we can provide

[1:59:19] with some better service and more professional service.

[1:59:27] So the cemetery actually does have some photos like that.

[1:59:30] I think that'll get out of the carton or the station.

[1:59:38] Did I answer your question?

[1:59:40] Yeah, no.

[1:59:41] All right. Discussion?

[1:59:45] Comments? My audience?

[1:59:49] No, it gets longer after summertime.

[1:59:51] I've ground things out.

[1:59:55] Not hearing any discussion or comments?

[2:00:00] Zoom participants, I will call the motion, standing on my left, Doug Johnson, aye,

[2:00:06] Christian Moore, said aye, Kara Chase, aye, Schmidt, aye, and Heather Framon.

[2:00:12] Aye.

[2:00:14] That is five in the affirmative. And so you'll, somebody will inform the

[2:00:21] Cemetery Commission. This will be on their agenda at the beginning of October.

[2:00:26] I'll update the website and make sure there's continuity of information.

[2:00:34] Very good. Thank you.

[2:00:37] Item number nine, adopt a memorandum of understanding for the contract United Federation of Police Officers.

[2:00:43] And that will be from January 1st, 2026 to 1231, 2027.

[2:00:48] So there's a new organization you had previously been dealing with in the PBA and the PBA, and the local officers have decided that they are now going to be represented by the United Federation of Police Officers, which is their decision.

[2:01:09] And so we did negotiate their new team, the FPO, very involved negotiations.

[2:01:17] There was a lot of items that were on the table.

[2:01:23] It always comes down.

[2:01:25] When contracts get down to the bottom line, it's down to the bottom line.

[2:01:29] What is it doing in terms of money?

[2:01:31] So you can see there are some percentage increases there plus living.

[2:01:35] So we have 3.75% in the first year and 4.5% in the second year.

[2:01:44] A lot of language that was up to date.

[2:01:47] And so I did red line copies for you to see where the various language was updated,

[2:01:53] which is helpful in terms of all of our specialty assignments

[2:01:56] and how those are handled contractually, which is an advantage,

[2:02:02] which I think to both our rank and file members, because that gives them opportunities to be

[2:02:09] other assignments outside of regular control.

[2:02:12] It gives us some benefits as a community because then these officers are now bringing

[2:02:18] other skills as they look into some of these specialty assignments that are not permanent.

[2:02:23] So we think that in the long run that gives us a more professional, more balanced and hopefully motivated force as we continue to move forward with a variety of different objectives.

[2:02:39] A school resource officer was a large social compensation, and that's a newer position,

[2:02:46] including the Senator wants you to obviously get away with over time, but things like the

[2:02:50] drug task force and the provision to power the technical board.

[2:02:56] The other items that changed quite a bit of the time was to discuss being other benefits.

[2:03:04] And so those conversations we did end up with some new vision and dental programs out bits,

[2:03:13] which was interesting because it actually has a reduced premium for an enhanced program.

[2:03:20] So that's actually a benefit.

[2:03:22] Hopefully it's a benefit so we're going to file an undershift.

[2:03:25] And it certainly benefits us because we had to pay it well.

[2:03:28] So we felt that it was a nice win for both sides.

[2:03:32] We found one-to-duty death benefits increase in life insurance

[2:03:36] of things that, again, we don't remember how to address,

[2:03:39] but it was important to the membership

[2:03:42] that we took those into consideration

[2:03:44] so they didn't end up in the final documents

[2:03:48] that we brought to you.

[2:03:49] And so ultimately, it was a tough negotiation

[2:03:53] as it always are.

[2:03:54] It's tough to do them easily, but a value on people that do these types of services

[2:04:01] because the local standards, they're highly trained and very committed professionals.

[2:04:07] And when you just talk dollars and cents, it doesn't always take into consideration

[2:04:12] how you value the job that they do.

[2:04:16] So those negotiations can be delicate and certainly appreciated working with the team

[2:04:23] from the union, they were very easy to work with.

[2:04:29] We had quite a few meetings because this was, I think,

[2:04:33] an opportunity for us to really dig into some of the issues

[2:04:37] that had been just needed to get resolved.

[2:04:41] So that's why I think it took the number of barred

[2:04:44] and accession that it took.

[2:04:46] But in the long run, I felt that we came up with a two-year

[2:04:51] contract that was sustainable financially for us and community certainly a

[2:04:58] benefit to them in terms of the types of types of the three minutes that are the

[2:05:07] types of benefits and certainly a pay that came out of it. So I felt all in

[2:05:12] all that would be something that I would recommend to the board and that we would

[2:05:15] ratify.

[2:05:21] Okay, you heard a discussion from the

[2:05:23] top manager regarding the voice department contract and whether the staff do have an

[2:05:31] action item ready. We want to get this on the table from discussion and looking

[2:05:42] for more

[2:05:42] numbers.

[2:05:43] I move that we operate the fund manager to sign the memorandum of understanding with

[2:05:50] the contract of the United Federation Police Office serves for a two-year time.

[2:06:01] You say three years?

[2:06:02] Two years, three years, yeah. Sorry, it's not due.

[2:06:04] No, no, that's okay.

[2:06:06] I'll second it.

[2:06:07] Thank you, members. We'll have a moment to second it.

[2:06:11] We'll authorize the town manager to sign a contract with the UFTO Local 401 for a period

[2:06:17] of two years, which is from January 1, 2026 to December 31,

[2:06:23] is 2027. Is there further discussion?

[2:06:28] Usually in the past now there have been three year contracts

[2:06:31] versus two years, so I don't know. This was the

[2:06:34] new union that's representing them. This is

[2:06:38] the way they're doing it now?

[2:06:41] They were very focused on the inflationary impacts

[2:06:46] into the outfield years and the numbers that we were talking about were just

[2:06:50] not, you know, listening. So just gave us an opportunity to work within this window,

[2:06:56] and then hopefully we'll see where we are all two years from now. So we just were not even close

[2:07:01] on the third year. We don't concern I have right now. Everybody has, well, has, you know,

[2:07:13] retirement and social security is what 2.6 this year. And I think we're talking

[2:07:18] can possibly 3.5 to 3.6 cost of living in peace for next year.

[2:07:24] If there's somebody on a fixed end time,

[2:07:26] so that can turn it in.

[2:07:27] Oh, this is just a small part of the budget,

[2:07:29] but I know I will probably keep that up

[2:07:32] with the pace of the cost of living.

[2:07:37] But we also have to look at the, I think,

[2:07:41] the tax credit of students.

[2:07:45] I wouldn't want to rectify this contact, I mean approve it, but I think that's something

[2:07:53] that we'll get in the future.

[2:07:57] Can we look at some of the rates of being awarded to departments that are reasonably

[2:08:02] close by to us that might be potentially considered, you know, some more than also

[2:08:08] So my transparent, those, some of those communities were offering substantially higher increases

[2:08:15] in what possible.

[2:08:17] And that was a good challenge for us, because we were not discussing those types of monthly

[2:08:22] supplies, the states, the sedans, and that's what some of the speakers said to Grant and

[2:08:27] some of these conferences, which is why we have a lot of time being within the 30th.

[2:08:33] Okay.

[2:08:36] All set?

[2:08:38] Yeah.

[2:08:38] Thank you.

[2:08:38] Other discussions?

[2:08:39] Any questions or comments?

[2:08:45] Yeah, I just, I mean two observations.

[2:08:49] Both about the non-discrimination bosses in this agreement.

[2:08:54] And I just want to briefly discuss them.

[2:08:58] In Article 8, non-discrimination, there's language which talks about the non-discrimination policy through the town or the union.

[2:09:09] and it reads differently than in Article 9, which is just below it, which I find a little

[2:09:17] strange and I'm sure it's probably fine the way it is, but discrimination is in the top

[2:09:24] one for people with disabilities. And in the second instance, it listed as a mentor,

[2:09:31] a disabled handicap rather than disability, which is an odd discrepancy in the same

[2:09:37] documents.

[2:09:44] Most of these things do follow because we do have various

[2:09:51] protections that were required to maintain for our insurability so that we

[2:09:57] have standards and so a lot of that language comes out of those types of

[2:10:02] insurance, but I can certainly look to see if there's something that's not.

[2:10:07] I was wondering if the language for the top section for non-extrem nation

[2:10:12] must pull around the files from the town to match the town's language and then maybe in the

[2:10:17] people employment opportunity section that might have been pulled from like the police

[2:10:22] organizations internal documents that might be the difference but it also breaks up creed and

[2:10:29] religion in line and fits them together as a group in the other one which is just a little

[2:10:34] strange and then my second issue in this contact also surrounds non-discrimination

[2:10:40] They clearly state in both of these, regardless of the way it's phrased that gender is covered

[2:10:48] under there.

[2:10:49] But further down in the document, there's several instances where they refer to union

[2:10:55] members or police officers or people that this contract applies to with the language

[2:11:01] of he, she, or his, hers.

[2:11:04] And non-binary has been a legal gender in Vermont since 2019.

[2:11:11] So technically in a legal document, we should use gender-inclusive language

[2:11:17] because there's a little bit of legal ground there

[2:11:22] where it's only implying to people who identify as male or female rather than everyone.

[2:11:29] And I have reached out to the state police

[2:11:31] So they don't have a good answer about what they would do with a non-binary officer.

[2:11:36] It's an interesting conundrum.

[2:11:38] It hasn't come up yet.

[2:11:40] But in like town policies, I think it would be really good to try to err on the side of caution with not just the language compositor.

[2:11:49] Yeah, we have not addressed that specifically in any of our contracts to be honest.

[2:11:55] So, Joe's bringing up his nice first time I've even really read it with that type of an eye.

[2:12:01] I know some of these things go back multiple contracts.

[2:12:04] So maybe it's an oversight or something that we can certainly share with our attorney

[2:12:09] and see if he has some input as to what we should recommend.

[2:12:13] And certainly we can adopt the NYU.

[2:12:16] We can certainly look through and see if there's something that we should be doing.

[2:12:19] That's something that you should have sort of thought of.

[2:12:26] Okay, so this is just a memorandum of understanding

[2:12:28] the adopted pronouns, and then you move forward

[2:12:32] and get those concerns can be forwarded back

[2:12:36] to the membership and forward-gratified form.

[2:12:44] They approve that, so I don't think it's the same thing.

[2:12:47] I'm not going to speak to that.

[2:12:48] That's what we

[2:12:55] know.

[2:12:58] Other discussion.

[2:13:05] Here and see that, call to the vote.

[2:13:07] Standing on my left, I have Johnston.

[2:13:08] Aye.

[2:13:09] Chris Gilmour says aye.

[2:13:10] Howard says aye.

[2:13:12] Mike Schmidt.

[2:13:12] Aye.

[2:13:13] Heather Frank.

[2:13:14] Aye.

[2:13:16] And there's five in the current event.

[2:13:18] And thank you for all that hard work.

[2:13:22] I know all the words in my mind.

[2:13:24] Follow me.

[2:13:25] Several meetings.

[2:13:26] Yes.

[2:13:27] Thank you.

[2:13:31] Item 10, consideration of Department of Public Work

[2:13:34] vehicle purchase. So we have a couple of items here for your consideration and

[2:13:40] we're in our equipment replacement schedule.

[2:13:45] Both of them are available,

[2:13:47] which was important for us. We're trying to get things that we can

[2:13:51] potentially have out and available for us for this season, the snow season,

[2:13:57] because you've got to be aware there are many of these that are long

[2:14:02] delivery times based on vehicle availability, which has been a real challenge for us trying to get

[2:14:08] equipment in here to help us through these seasons. So the Fords were the preferred

[2:14:16] vehicle for a variety of reasons. We're trying to hand-standardize as much as we can

[2:14:23] on a land and a vehicle type which helps us with our maintenance and our just overall

[2:14:29] efficiency. Having a variety of these with different manufacturers creates some real

[2:14:36] challenges for us trying to keep them all road, basically keep them on the road.

[2:14:43] It's easy to go out and that we always do and basically the purchasing process

[2:14:49] and based on the review and the recommendation from the D2W staff. The

[2:14:56] forward at your 50s or the 90s.

[2:15:01] Both of those were the preferred vehicle for this acquisition. And ultimately, I think

[2:15:10] you were helpful that we can get this through this evening. You would have them

[2:15:15] available for us for start of this snow season so that we would have more

[2:15:25] and supplement as we've already started to build on.

[2:15:28] These would also, I believe, have the pre-treatment as well.

[2:15:34] We have a lot of them.

[2:15:37] We have the build-up on the pre-treatment.

[2:15:40] We have magnesium chloride for the streets,

[2:15:43] which is something that we're going to be doing more aggressively.

[2:15:47] We just want to try to reduce an overall salt utilization

[2:15:51] So that also fits into that piece of our winter service program as well.

[2:16:06] Ben, just for informational purposes, what is the year the two vehicles were replaced?

[2:16:14] Oh boy, the S7's in 2009.

[2:16:19] The other one since 2018.

[2:16:24] Good

[2:16:26] to use that model.

[2:16:29] That one, I actually is not currently inspectable, you know.

[2:16:35] That road.

[2:16:36] That's not.

[2:16:37] That road is ready.

[2:16:38] That road is ready.

[2:16:38] Wow.

[2:16:39] Okay.

[2:16:45] So members, you heard the presentation.

[2:16:50] The town manager is looking for authorization to purchase the two vehicles from the board

[2:16:55] at the cost of $71,856.59.

[2:17:01] And the purchase of a Ford F-350 for a service vehicle for Ford to claim on for a 75,000

[2:17:06] worth $11.00.

[2:17:12] It's a pleasure to board.

[2:17:16] I'll move that we, the town manager, to purchase the two F-350s from the board

[2:17:23] was priced in our proposal.

[2:17:34] Thank you members. And we have a motion in second

[2:17:37] bid to authorize the town manager to purchase two vehicles. We can forward F3

[2:17:43] pickings for discussion to the board members. I see that the

[2:17:50] shabbies were seen to have a better extended warranty and also a lower

[2:17:56] fries and I wonder the reason why we're not going with them that we've had

[2:18:03] Chevy's in the week before so several months we've done these times back so

[2:18:15] what's their difference we're talking about about $11,000 for the

[2:18:18] April visit or difference between different I don't have the numbers

[2:18:23] Or is it close?

[2:18:24] Yeah, and then they go there.

[2:18:26] It's more, it's, the ports have been reliable.

[2:18:31] We've had Chevrolet's.

[2:18:34] My understanding and talking with the people

[2:18:39] that you maintain them as well is that it's also

[2:18:43] been a benefit that we've had

[2:18:47] with trying to standardize that we were able

[2:18:49] to get first and keep the equipment on the road that last time out of service.

[2:18:57] We've had some issues for some of the other ones, but out of service time.

[2:19:06] Also make up

[2:19:12] with all the safe handling, all the safe instruments.

[2:19:17] To give them all parts and service all life across the board,

[2:19:51] For the discussion from board members, and I would like to clarify that on one of the

[2:20:00] boards, the actual purchase price is 60,000, 5.5, a snow plow, sales accessory, 6,100,

[2:20:11] or total of 66,600.

[2:20:14] There's an addition for seat covers, vent shade, and four liners, which help the word be informed.

[2:20:22] And a five-year, 100,000 premium care at $5,600, and that adds up to $73,300 minus the trade

[2:20:33] and 1,500 to get us to that 71,799.59.

[2:20:42] So if somebody hears the bid and it was a $72,000 truck,

[2:20:47] there's a lot more to it than just that.

[2:20:50] Are

[2:20:58] there any further special informants?

[2:21:01] Comments from the audience?

[2:21:03] Including Zoom participants?

[2:21:08] Not hearing or seeing anything?

[2:21:11] Paul for the vote, starting on my left, Debbie Downsman.

[2:21:14] I, first get more, says I, Sarah Chase.

[2:21:18] I.

[2:21:19] Mike Schreit, I, Heather Franklin.

[2:21:21] I.

[2:21:24] Yeah, there's five in the affirmative, so we'll move.

[2:21:27] I'm assuming we get the equipment

[2:21:29] from that's going to help the paper to be set.

[2:21:32] Yes, that's what they're talking about, yeah.

[2:21:34] Yeah.

[2:21:37] Thank you, Ben.

[2:21:38] Thank you, Scott.

[2:21:40] Item 11, consideration of event permit

[2:21:42] for the Tour de Biltrail.

[2:21:43] So the Dave, I'm going to move up to Nassau's story, we will be able to hear you.

[2:21:49] Michael Brown.

[2:21:50] I'm sorry.

[2:21:51] Michael Green.

[2:21:51] Thank you.

[2:21:53] I apologize for that.

[2:21:55] The Strong Foundation has asked you to have an event on June 11th, 2027 that would

[2:22:01] be utilizing the Tumelville Trail.

[2:22:04] You can see they did give us this there.

[2:22:06] but it's the trail map basically they will comply with all of our requests for insurance

[2:22:14] and insert a we would recommend that the board's notes authorized the use of the trail for that

[2:22:23] event on June 11.

[2:22:31] Daryl Molten?

[2:22:33] Daryl Molten.

[2:22:34] All second.

[2:22:35] Thank you Mayor for doing a motion on secondary to approve the Williamville Trail event

[2:22:42] from that to the applicant's own framework that sponsoring organization is Dave McGillivray,

[2:22:51] Finish Long Foundation. The event name is New England 776 Marathons. The date is June 11th,

[2:23:00] 2007, in the time of 6 a.m. to 1300.

[2:23:09] Is there any discussion from board members?

[2:23:12] This has been doing this for a number of years now.

[2:23:14] Yes, this is a repeat of it.

[2:23:15] It's a repeat of it.

[2:23:17] Comments from the audience, including Zinn because of this.

[2:23:21] Here in Seeing None, all of the votes standing on the right-left,

[2:23:25] Deb Jonesman.

[2:23:25] Aye.

[2:23:26] Humor says aye.

[2:23:27] Karen Chase.

[2:23:28] Aye.

[2:23:28] Mike Strathf.

[2:23:29] Aye.

[2:23:29] Heather Frank.

[2:23:30] Aye.

[2:23:32] That is five in the affirmative.

[2:23:34] It's all approved.

[2:23:41] Item number 12, consideration of additional appropriate

[2:23:45] for the technology we serve on and emergency purchase authorization for equipment and services.

[2:23:52] So for wastewater, water and police?

[2:23:55] I've put in your package a variety of different correspondence.

[2:23:59] We've had some significant concern about our SCADA systems and water wastewater

[2:24:06] and talked about those prior meetings we've done on some initial analysis.

[2:24:13] I've included some additional analysis we did give Vermont to have one of their, the

[2:24:19] state of Vermont, one of their cybersecurity folks to work with us on a larger sort of

[2:24:27] evaluation of our vulnerabilities, a variety of different recommendations that are all

[2:24:36] encompassing.

[2:24:37] So we're going to be focusing on those as we move forward.

[2:24:40] and they've been very beneficial but we do have some immediate needs as you can

[2:24:45] see from some of these some of these we get these periodic updates about what

[2:24:53] types of hacking is going on in our systems and what what through these

[2:25:00] various federal agencies what act what these cyber security folks are going

[2:25:05] after and unfortunately we are right in the sweet spot in terms of being

[2:25:10] We have old PLCs, which are the programmable logic controllers.

[2:25:16] Our SCADA systems do not have multi-factor authentication.

[2:25:20] They have multiple internet penetrations, and all those things are concerning.

[2:25:25] We've already had one instance of Valware, which we discussed previously with the board.

[2:25:32] These newer intrusions have really been very disruptive to local communities.

[2:25:37] they have walked out entire systems. It's a point where you have to be more of

[2:25:42] water because you cannot maintain distribution and all of the required

[2:25:47] treatments because they have literally taken over your systems and they will

[2:25:52] not authorize you to then go back in and list to all of the required programming.

[2:26:00] So this has been a real concern. We are like I said, unfortunately we are

[2:26:06] I just pardon it because of the age of our systems.

[2:26:10] We are working with the state and trying to get the grant funding to do a more comprehensive update.

[2:26:17] But this initial funding will help us get some of the immediate and critical pieces implemented

[2:26:27] for the water and wastewater flows.

[2:26:29] the other 25,000 to place the police department administrative services

[2:26:34] server was basically crashed. They've been a complete restoration, but it has been

[2:26:41] corrupted. It cannot function when you have to buy a brand new server. Luckily,

[2:26:47] we were able to transfer data, but that is not something that we did as a

[2:26:55] funded or it was an emergency type of situation, so that's why I've asked for the emergency

[2:27:00] optimization.

[2:27:01] So, take that purchase, finish that transaction, and you can see from some of the pictures that

[2:27:08] I included, you can see some of the concerns when you look at some of the wiring, and it's

[2:27:14] really very concerning to me that we get on top of this before we have a real problem

[2:27:21] and something that I have to come back to you and go in an emergency or a crisis

[2:27:27] kind of, some of our really critical structures. So I don't like to come and

[2:27:33] ask for unbudgeted expenses in this range but unfortunately in this instance

[2:27:37] I didn't have a lot of choice. I hope that you can see from the background

[2:27:41] that this is you know really timely and it's necessary and you will

[2:27:48] continue to work this problem with our state agencies, seeing a state person from their

[2:27:57] information center has been very involved with this process with us.

[2:28:01] And I'm hopeful that with those folks working with us, we'll be able to get another application

[2:28:07] for the larger funding that we talked about, which is probably in the 400-500 dollar range

[2:28:13] to do the lease upgrades to help move our system

[2:28:17] into a better position to protect ourselves from these threats.

[2:28:21] But this initial outlabel will just

[2:28:23] get us out of a high threat condition

[2:28:27] and to a better position.

[2:28:34] And we have a recommendation on where

[2:28:36] the funding is coming from.

[2:28:37] We have it.

[2:28:39] So we will have to take some money from fund valves

[2:28:41] to basically transfer it into the technology

[2:28:44] as you'll find in probably those costs.

[2:28:46] Yeah.

[2:28:52] Pleasure to have more. We have a motion?

[2:28:59] Yes. Authorize the town manager to purchase

[2:29:02] for the hardware and software necessary to store a critical computer and to shop for

[2:29:07] them in the police, water, and sewer departments and further recognize the expenditures as

[2:29:13] an emergency under the town of Springfields, Fortness, and Olexia.

[2:29:23] Thank you, members.

[2:29:24] If you have a motion and seconded to authorize the town manager to purchase the required

[2:29:28] of hardware and software necessary to restore critical

[2:29:31] completable infrastructure in the police department,

[2:29:34] water and sewer departments,

[2:29:36] and further recognize these expenditures as an emergency

[2:29:39] under the town of Springfield purchasing policy.

[2:29:43] Discussion involved in it.

[2:29:45] But, thank you.

[2:29:48] So, I

[2:29:51] found, so, I think it would be geeky.

[2:29:54] My first question is, who runs IT for us?

[2:30:00] We don't have a specific IT director, so we have a technology and services contract which is a generic sort of contract, and then each of their individual departments has had people that have had a variety of experience, but none of this directs IT professionals.

[2:30:20] I think with where we are, in the timeline of world and technology, even though we are

[2:30:29] a small town per se, we are a full service town and we are a target for data breach and

[2:30:40] we have critical infrastructure, whether it's breached or not, it needs to be maintained.

[2:30:46] I think that we should take a look at bringing an IT professional onto the SAP app.

[2:30:56] I think it's something we'll have to take serious consideration.

[2:31:00] I'll just together, Mike, because I think we have a substantial and severe vulnerability there.

[2:31:05] I think that there are some opportunities currently.

[2:31:08] And I'm talking chamber where we're probably the least threatened organization in the world.

[2:31:16] So Cisco is paying for a full-time bonus form that is doing all of my cyber security and

[2:31:26] IT work.

[2:31:28] So I know that there are programs out there, Safari, Center of Rural Innovation, maybe

[2:31:37] a resource where we can get somebody in the short term to help us.

[2:31:42] Great. So if you reach out to Matt Dunn, he may or may not, or well not that, well he

[2:31:49] had to reach out to Matt, but Cory may be able to help us get somebody in the

[2:31:54] dintrum, maybe even to help clear up that rat's test that you have a picture of.

[2:32:02] Yes. Because not only is that a fire hazard, but it's also a security

[2:32:06] password and so.

[2:32:09] I couldn't agree more.

[2:32:12] For the discussion component,

[2:32:14] Are we dealing with the same company for the placement of these reviewers?

[2:32:19] No, they're different vendors.

[2:32:21] The server is one separate item altogether for the PD.

[2:32:26] That's about $25,000.

[2:32:28] You'd have a other vendor who has been on site working with the water and wastewater,

[2:32:34] which is a Vonte, which is a separate vendor.

[2:32:37] And then, you know, if you get a buddy deal, the equipment was not compatible, but, I mean,

[2:32:47] on the same note, then they take that.

[2:32:49] Yeah.

[2:32:49] I mean, as you guys can see from our analysis, we have a lot of things to do.

[2:32:54] Yeah.

[2:32:55] So, this will be an ongoing conversation as we go forward.

[2:33:03] Peter, is the school department having these concerns?

[2:33:07] We did get it. We did get it. We did get it there as did a number of statistics in the state.

[2:33:16] We were preparing and there was nothing.

[2:33:20] We didn't lose anything.

[2:33:23] We also didn't share the file. I think we didn't.

[2:33:27] So it's coming.

[2:33:30] But we don't think we're going to listen to the PDMS.

[2:33:34] Everybody in the court, you are so out there, it's not fine.

[2:33:38] It's not right.

[2:33:40] So, you do know that we're going to respond.

[2:33:45] Now, just another time.

[2:33:49] We're going to put it like that.

[2:33:52] And everybody can respond.

[2:33:54] Interesting.

[2:33:56] Yeah, thanks.

[2:34:00] I've talked to Peter a little bit about, well, there's a way we could share somebody

[2:34:04] or find a way for us to do something in the water, but if you want to talk about that

[2:34:08] through the more detailed way of doing something, the more of a course to talk about.

[2:34:12] We do need some improvements, you know, some of that technical background and really

[2:34:19] experience. It's not something that goes all the way up to the street, but I defend that

[2:34:26] conversations when both of them have a lot to share.

[2:34:37] But we'll get more engaged in that. We just talked about that a week or two ago and

[2:34:41] obviously we started in school, but now that we've surpassed that initial phase,

[2:34:46] as we can get into it more seriously.

[2:34:47] And I'll try to bring something back to you

[2:34:49] with some sort of neat to it.

[2:34:53] Yeah, for the next step.

[2:34:55] Thank you.

[2:34:57] Any other comments from the audience?

[2:35:03] I'm not seeing, I don't know.

[2:35:04] Sir.

[2:35:05] We've got to stop all two.

[2:35:06] We've got to get you to the name

[2:35:07] from there.

[2:35:08] Oh, sir.

[2:35:09] Brian, the team.

[2:35:11] What's up, if you need help.

[2:35:13] Obviously, we did general review,

[2:35:15] but we just don't get off of a little panel.

[2:35:17] And you can't necessarily, you know, replace servers for you.

[2:35:22] I don't even could, but we would be off, I don't believe it.

[2:35:25] And certainly we have a lot of connections there, but I do.

[2:35:30] So we'll just have to call it a day.

[2:35:32] We can reach out to me specifically if you want to.

[2:35:34] But we won't.

[2:35:36] Thank you.

[2:35:40] Seeing any free discussion from board members or comments from the audience,

[2:35:44] we'll call for the vote.

[2:35:45] Hello, I'm Doug Johnston.

[2:35:48] Just to be more specific, power chiefs.

[2:35:49] Hi.

[2:35:50] Mike Smith.

[2:35:50] Hi.

[2:35:51] Heather Frank.

[2:35:52] Hi.

[2:35:54] And it's finally affirmative.

[2:35:56] I'm happy to merge you and spend it with you.

[2:35:58] Thank you.

[2:36:00] Well, I'm 13.

[2:36:01] We're going to hold that for your next meeting.

[2:36:03] They won't finish their application.

[2:36:06] They have asked me to move on, and then they're going to not finish, so we'll

[2:36:09] bring it out for the 28th.

[2:36:10] So if you just want to ask that one, you will have to turn if that is right before September 20th.

[2:36:20] Okay, we're on item 14, consideration of appointments.

[2:36:25] So we did have some conversations. We do have a new Planning and Planning Administrator, which is wonderful,

[2:36:33] which means that you had to make the temporary zoning administrator.

[2:36:38] And now, I would ask the board, you would now, you'll throw my temper.

[2:36:47] We don't continue on.

[2:36:49] I would love to.

[2:36:50] And if the board wants me to, I certainly will.

[2:36:52] But I'd like to recommend that we appoint Austin as our zoning administrator for 24 BSA4448.

[2:37:01] And we certainly look forward to working with them.

[2:37:05] And that would be effective set final person.

[2:37:10] We also have two, three other vacancies,

[2:37:14] two that we discussed this evening,

[2:37:16] the Planning Commission and one for the Inclusion Committee.

[2:37:24] Did I get a motion from the board?

[2:37:28] I will make that motion.

[2:37:30] We'll be here.

[2:37:31] Who confirmed Austin Ford,

[2:37:33] the Plaining and Zoning Administrator.

[2:37:37] Marissa Nielsen, if I have that correct,

[2:37:39] the Inclusion Committee, E2MNY, the Planning Commission and Charlotte Osterland for the Planning Commission.

[2:37:46] Is there a second?

[2:37:48] I'll second that.

[2:37:53] Thank you, Member.

[2:37:55] So we do have a motion in seconded to appoint the four people, as mentioned in the motion,

[2:38:02] who will be respective positions.

[2:38:05] Is there any discussion for board members?

[2:38:09] Yeah, I think I'd like to just bring to the board's attention, as I do appreciate Ben as well as Kerry and this building both stepped up and were tremendously valuable in keeping basic functions of the zone and moving.

[2:38:26] And so I really do appreciate their stepping in and helping through, which was a pretty turbulent process of finding these persons.

[2:38:36] So I really want to thank them publicly for all the work that they did.

[2:38:41] Thank you.

[2:38:43] Thanks, Karen.

[2:38:44] Thank you, Roger.

[2:38:48] She's so tired she hasn't taken a patient.

[2:38:51] She's better than this.

[2:38:52] That's exactly me.

[2:38:55] I would just like to make one comment to the zoning and planning administration.

[2:39:00] We're keeping with the vehicles purchased at the highway that they were sticking with

[2:39:06] board.

[2:39:07] Yes.

[2:39:09] Wow.

[2:39:11] Oops.

[2:39:14] Sorry.

[2:39:15] Sorry.

[2:39:16] Sorry.

[2:39:17] Sorry.

[2:39:20] Sorry.

[2:39:22] Sorry.

[2:39:23] Sorry.

[2:39:24] Sorry.

[2:39:24] There's not any sort of discussion from board members,

[2:39:26] but the comments from the audience putting Zoom to distance.

[2:39:32] Aaron, seeing none, I'll call for the vote.

[2:39:34] Starting on my left.

[2:39:35] Doug Johnston.

[2:39:36] Hi.

[2:39:36] Mr. Norris says aye.

[2:39:38] Howard Chase.

[2:39:38] Aye.

[2:39:39] Mike Schmidt.

[2:39:39] Aye.

[2:39:40] Senator Graham.

[2:39:41] Aye.

[2:39:43] That's five in the affirmative and so approved.

[2:39:49] I will get it by the end.

[2:39:51] That concludes the portion,

[2:39:53] new business portion on the agenda.

[2:39:55] We'll move on to financial reports.

[2:39:57] So the warrants are in the proverbial box, keep passed around, and I appreciate that we would be able to sign those, and then, whilst they are signed, we will definitely put the copies on the website.

[2:40:21] Okay, while those are finding their way around the board members, we'll move on to the town

[2:40:27] managers before.

[2:40:28] I will try to do this in an expedited fashion because I know everybody's getting tired.

[2:40:33] So just a few updates on projects that we've discussed here previously, the JNL remediation

[2:40:40] schedule. But they will actually start the mediation process as we had discussed previously,

[2:40:46] similar around the 16th or 17th of September. We're just going to go through that. Clarifying

[2:40:52] process and ultimately then post-treatment. It will come back to us to our water plan.

[2:40:58] So we'll keep you abreast. We have testing on various protection built into this process.

[2:41:05] And we're hopeful that this is going to be successful, but like anything, you have to verify this.

[2:41:11] This process is not going to create problems with the plan.

[2:41:14] So that will be started.

[2:41:16] Paving, if you've been driving Mineral Street, you probably noticed that it was no for preparation for paving.

[2:41:23] We have some rain in the forecast, but our paving contractor has said that they would try to be there for Friday.

[2:41:30] So we're hopeful that would be done this week.

[2:41:33] We have some minor paving to complete the Grove Street project and then we are

[2:41:40] going to do some sidewalk work in conjunction with the work that's ongoing

[2:41:45] at 60 Park Street. So we have a new section of our sidewalk on Park Street as

[2:41:50] well as the sidewalk that'll be incorporated into the 60 Park Street

[2:41:54] design and we're hopeful to get that underway prior to this winter because

[2:42:00] if their contractor's going to be working down the hill,

[2:42:02] we're going to work from the bridge.

[2:42:03] We can force that new concrete,

[2:42:05] so we will have that section updated complete.

[2:42:09] And then we will have some additional requests for you

[2:42:12] for another project over in the Riverside School

[2:42:15] of Additional Sidewall related activity

[2:42:18] for your next meeting.

[2:42:20] On the paving, though, I think once that's done,

[2:42:23] there's some additional work on the redevelopment

[2:42:24] and I think that's it at this point that you can go.

[2:42:28] So, knock on wood, then we get that finished and that's been, it's been all summer, but

[2:42:36] so far so, so good on that.

[2:42:39] The Flint Street Water Project has been moving along and we're not getting the production

[2:42:43] because of additional ledge that they've run into, so we're still hopeful that they

[2:42:50] can get to Wood Street and we can get it closed out before the winter.

[2:42:54] It just remains to be seen as they move down the street, they're running that sort of periodic

[2:42:59] trouble.

[2:43:00] They're coordinating with businesses to make sure that the impact is being viewed.

[2:43:04] The service line connections are minimized, so they have gone out and reached out as

[2:43:08] they move down the street, trying to work with people.

[2:43:11] They're closed on certain days, or they have busier days, so they were not disrupting

[2:43:16] their businesses.

[2:43:18] They're not only disrupting their businesses, it's disruptive no matter what you

[2:43:22] do any joint service. But we're trying to keep that to a minimum. That project is

[2:43:27] moving ahead. If we don't get the production necessary, we might have to come

[2:43:31] up with a location to close out just so we can move down and run before winter.

[2:43:37] But we'll keep you guys informed as that process moves along this wall.

[2:43:42] The

[2:43:43] dam removal project there has been more sediment than was initially bid in

[2:43:49] terms of the amount of material at the dam site. So we have requested in this

[2:43:56] current federal fiscal year from FEMA that we get additional authorization to

[2:44:01] get payment for the additional removal. So I will keep you up to date with what

[2:44:05] that stands, but that project is still moving ahead. We have the same thing

[2:44:10] happening with the Lincoln Street project because the erosion there is more

[2:44:14] involved and has created other problems then as we're working with them and I've

[2:44:20] been out there a few times. So they're redefining that project scope that's also

[2:44:25] going in before the end of the federal fiscal year for consideration for

[2:44:30] additional funding you know that has an investigation grant program so it will keep

[2:44:34] you informed as to how that progresses.

[2:44:38] In sidewalk we talked about a

[2:44:40] Park Street, and then finally, the state is going to be doing the waterline relocation.

[2:44:47] Remember, the launch of those, they came out, and as part of the reconstruction of the bridges,

[2:44:53] out on Exit 7, and it's an integral project, and all the other projects out there,

[2:44:58] they do have to do somewhat utility.

[2:45:00] Location. This is not at our expense. This is the expense of the best western. When this project

[2:45:06] is done, we'll be able to pick up the, those customers will then become fed off the water

[2:45:13] from the control center over the bridge. They will be filmed in Springfield customers

[2:45:17] and water. So we'll be provided water to the gas station, to the state for building

[2:45:24] and they're for the DOT as well as the headset.

[2:45:29] So that project we have meetings

[2:45:31] and that is moving ahead.

[2:45:33] They're hoping to be able to bid this out sometime soon.

[2:45:38] So we'll keep you informed

[2:45:39] as to how this project looks like.

[2:45:44] So that's it for the end-to-earth-of-the-view

[2:45:47] of the capital projects.

[2:45:49] First thing is on the manager's report, the World War II where they're coming out, they

[2:45:58] were coming out, where the game was, and they got a lot more out, but what they're doing

[2:46:03] is they're bringing a lot of sense of that as they're coming down on the main road.

[2:46:08] I don't know if that's something that could grade that.

[2:46:11] Okay.

[2:46:13] Let's hold here a little bit and look at that.

[2:46:15] Yep.

[2:46:16] I mean, it's in the town of Lettuce Hills, I tell ya.

[2:46:21] I'm sure they'll let us know.

[2:46:23] They've been very involved.

[2:46:27] That's coming out of the access road to the reservoir and then up here.

[2:46:32] That's where they've been dumping it. They've been going up.

[2:46:35] And as you turn, you go to the lower orchards on that curry.

[2:46:39] They've been back in their trucks and I don't know where they're dumping it down there.

[2:46:43] But yeah, they've got the disposal side, but it's about right. So, okay

[2:46:49] Okay

[2:46:51] Where there's a world that is not sweet. This is a personal question

[2:46:57] Yes, where will we create the new family?

[2:47:00] I played my word

[2:47:02] 9-on-1 in purposes. Yes

[2:47:04] I gave a list of those to our new zoning administrator as a welcome mention. Yes

[2:47:09] I gave them any welcoming presents. That was one

[2:47:12] Because we had an emergency because we're two and a half, and the police didn't come to our house.

[2:47:18] I had to. I think that happened to us in different environments.

[2:47:21] Nine-on-one related.

[2:47:23] Oh, so we were the only ones?

[2:47:25] No. It was unfortunate, but we paused that because it was the longest,

[2:47:29] and then we, it was only the administrator leaving, and they just stopped to get caught.

[2:47:34] So we're picking you back up.

[2:47:36] So I'm not sure that...

[2:47:37] Well, that's working.

[2:47:38] And that's kind of because of where I live.

[2:47:45] I wish you the best of luck with that when I'm in court, because I'm on front street

[2:47:50] which used to be Orchard Street that about six years ago, but it was the planning conditions

[2:47:54] for it.

[2:47:55] And my own road for our set applies to me, so I know I was suffering.

[2:47:59] FedEx still can't find my house.

[2:48:02] Address still isn't updated on Google Maps.

[2:48:05] We have to fly down the FedEx truck every week.

[2:48:08] We have final and something. Yeah, you got a top one out there.

[2:48:15] Well, thank you for at least making some way.

[2:48:19] I think we're starting to get out of any of these before.

[2:48:23] What was the attendance on zoom?

[2:48:31] There again, like you're up the book a little bit. Okay.

[2:48:38] Moving on letter G future agenda and proposals.

[2:48:48] I'm going to pass this one home.

[2:48:51] I don't have anything.

[2:48:55] Heather Frank?

[2:48:57] No, thanks.

[2:49:00] Oh, I wasn't an offer.

[2:49:03] We're polite.

[2:49:05] Good.

[2:49:08] Committee reports and announcements.

[2:49:10] Any of the members that have

[2:49:12] committee reports and announcements.

[2:49:12] reports or any announcements here

[2:49:19] in the scene, but do you know? Yeah, do you know?

[2:49:22] We have hired a director of human inventions that should be able to work with the staff

[2:49:28] and act with them. Getting better as far as community development. Nice to meet you.

[2:49:34] So, you know, is he all the time in this house? So, hopefully he's served in the

[2:49:40] world for the better and I wouldn't be like that at the moment.

[2:49:44] Is that something that could enhance the communication regarding the budget?

[2:49:49] Budgets?

[2:49:51] Yeah.

[2:49:52] Great.

[2:49:54] Great.

[2:49:54] Yeah, that's excellent.

[2:49:57] Any other announcements?

[2:50:01] No dance this weekend?

[2:50:02] Yes, there is.

[2:50:04] It's an awesome dance going on this weekend.

[2:50:07] the denim and duds so bring your flannel and your best part heart pants and come

[2:50:15] on up to the old colonial of art for a barbecued dance and live music a cash bar

[2:50:24] and we have a silent auctions music cool stuff did I hear today the tickets

[2:50:31] was sold out at least. We're almost almost. Yeah. Fire marshals. Yep. Check in our window.

[2:50:40] So, but we do have some time and it'll be fine.

[2:50:46] Okay. Also, the select board does receive in

[2:50:49] our packets is the notice of the public hearing that might have spent any reason to mention

[2:50:53] the email letter. Where's that two items? The email letter. Two items. Two items.

[2:50:59] B. Transletter between a built trail, e-mail correspondence from Andrew Mayne, Spencer

[2:51:05] Hall of Schoolhouse, Techful Assistance, Surveying, Wastewater Newsletter, Springfield

[2:51:12] Regional Development Corporation, July 28th, Meeting Minutes, Cemetery Commission, September

[2:51:16] 2nd, Meeting Minutes, Library Trustees of September 9th, Agenda, Conservation Committee,

[2:51:23] September 12th agenda and the Springfield trails were a real economy of September 17th agenda.

[2:51:32] Those are available and I support packets on the website and our copy is going to be

[2:51:37] treated from the head manager's office. Thank you very much.

[2:51:44] Looking for portion on the agenda for citizens' comments and running low on citizens,

[2:51:49] that they still have opportunity recognizing Dan.

[2:51:55] Wall Street, one way.

[2:52:00] The original, the walls were working really one way.

[2:52:03] From the summer street to the green street.

[2:52:07] And what was eventually passed was one way

[2:52:11] from the 14th wall street to the 41th wall street.

[2:52:17] But that was never close to the sign

[2:52:20] And even though the ordinance was fair,

[2:52:27] then we had to pull out a snare of three walls for me,

[2:52:30] which we'll just start to get repaired during.

[2:52:36] When that happened, they're both in one way,

[2:52:40] from lead-stream to sub-stream,

[2:52:44] in the opposite direction of both in the previous proposal.

[2:52:49] Yep.

[2:52:52] I have not been able to get an answer as to why they spoke from that direction instead of the ordinance direction.

[2:53:01] So I'll pass by that and go to a section from 41 Treve Street.

[2:53:11] Now according to the ordinance that will be in the middle of the day.

[2:53:16] There's been no collapse or a disaster in that section.

[2:53:21] And I noticed that people go two-way on that, in fact, people go two-way all the way for

[2:53:27] science.

[2:53:28] People come in that do not enter.

[2:53:32] Not a lot, but enough to be concerning for those of us who try to follow the science

[2:53:39] and go the way the science is.

[2:53:42] So I

[2:53:46] want to, since all this destruction has nothing to do with the section in 41

[2:53:53] in each week, is there some way that has been figured out that that can be

[2:54:02] two-way, the way the ordinance said.

[2:54:08] And while we're at it, to help get people

[2:54:14] will climatize to the way the ordinance still is,

[2:54:20] is there some way we can make it one way

[2:54:23] in the section we have to do it, right?

[2:54:26] In the direction ordinance.

[2:54:32] We want to take a shot at that.

[2:54:36] We'll be perfectly almost with you

[2:54:39] leaving the section two way and one section one way

[2:54:43] regardless of the direction of the one-way section is part of what causes the confusion.

[2:54:51] The current direction in this road traffic, the vehicle and the access for destruction

[2:54:57] equipment is the easiest way to get them in and get them back out.

[2:55:02] During destruction, it's going to be close right there at one wall street because

[2:55:08] but where the road has people on off, it's not going to get off.

[2:55:14] Reality of it is, it's a little old project that's complete.

[2:55:18] We're not going to get to a normal fall of traffic.

[2:55:24] It's unfortunate the presence of the wave at this time.

[2:55:29] Thanks, Beth.

[2:55:33] Thanks, Beth.

[2:55:33] Sharon.

[2:55:35] There's a lot here.

[2:55:36] I got to pay attention here.

[2:55:42] I have a question and a potential request. So do you know the status of the dumping up at the water tower?

[2:55:52] Has that project been completed?

[2:55:57] I'm not sure I heard that. Status of which water tower?

[2:56:00] Disposal of materials.

[2:56:02] All at the water tower.

[2:56:05] Okay, get it from the project then, born and pregnant.

[2:56:10] Right, still, right, we're not completed at the moment.

[2:56:14] Probably won't be in jail.

[2:56:16] I'm sorry.

[2:56:18] No, that's fine. Sorry. I thought you were done speaking.

[2:56:21] No, I'm done.

[2:56:24] Could someone ask the company when the trucks are going up, they're fine.

[2:56:29] When they're coming back down, they are flying down Herrick Street.

[2:56:32] There are a lot of little animals and people walking and it can be a little dangerous.

[2:56:37] I don't know that they're kind of looking when they're flying down the street.

[2:56:42] So if they could slow down a little bit, it would be really appreciated.

[2:56:46] Okay.

[2:56:47] I will certainly talk to the contractor.

[2:56:49] Absolutely.

[2:56:50] Thank you.

[2:56:52] Okay.

[2:56:53] Thank you.

[2:56:55] Anyone else, if I'd like to do some comments this evening about

[2:57:03] bearing or receiving any

[2:57:05] at the end of the week or at that portion of the agenda where I will ask for an adjournment.

[2:57:11] I move that we adjourn.

[2:57:13] You can do.

[2:57:14] I'll second.

[2:57:14] All right.

[2:57:15] So we do have a motion and seconded.

[2:57:18] Who adjourned?

[2:57:22] All those in favor of that vote can say aye.

[2:57:24] Aye.

[2:57:25] Aye.

[2:57:35] to order

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Springfield Select Board Meeting - 9/14/26

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