[0:03] Okay, the meeting is called to order. Uh let's start with roll call.

[3:44] resulting in deaths um much higher still than we would like. Uh and we're using a

[3:50] lot of Narcan and that's really what's saving people's lives that there's still

[3:54] plenty of fentanyl and other drugs around. How were uh people being savings

[3:59] really significantly impacted by the amount of Narcan out there? Now, that

[4:04] might change a little bit 2026. We've lost a lot of federal funding and so

[4:08] Narcan free Narcan is a little hard to find with our community groups. Um we'll

[4:14] just purchase it for our needs, but uh the abundance in the in the community is

[4:21] not going to be as readily available. So, we'll see and track that. We we

[4:24] still continue to do it [clears throat] on the back page. Mark,

[4:29] » go ahead. >> Thank you.

[4:32] » All right. On on 2023, why were there so many there and so many less last year?

[4:40] So, uh for overdose deaths. >> Mhm.

[4:43] » So, that's that was the peak. That's when we were a statewide uh things

[4:48] really further out of control. There was not a lot of there was Narcan coming in

[4:51] but not at the level we saw a huge drop in 2024 and 25 because of the abundancy

[4:56] of community based narcan access. Uh and so that's when everybody's like hey

[5:03] we've got to do something. 2023 is when we entered a program called um uh leave

[5:10] behind the leave behind program. will go to a high-risisk location where we might

[5:14] be on a overdose call or contact people that are clearly um using probably

[5:21] fentanyl. We don't see heroin hardly at all, but fentanyl we will leave Narcan

[5:26] behind um and just an attempt to try to slow down death rates.

[5:32] » You just being with people? >> Yeah. Yep. Um and so that was a

[5:38] community based program uh over three grants that we participated in. So

[5:42] that's why you saw that drop off and that was [clears throat] across the

[5:45] board. Uh law enforcement across the state saw the same thing. Um harm

[5:50] reduction people saw the same thing, public health saw the same thing. So we

[5:54] meet um on a monthly basis. Lincoln, uh, Benton and Lynn counties,

[6:01] uh, deflection programs, um, health department, hospitals, law enforcement,

[6:06] we all need to talk about what we're seeing and kind of what what the trends

[6:09] are to try to get ahead of things, stuff like that. So, um, again, it's good that

[6:14] it's dropping, but I will tell you that there's still an abundancy of drugs out

[6:19] there. So, where's another question? >> Yeah. So, Chief, uh, you mentioned that

[6:24] the calls for service are up. Uh you talk about case numbers changing. I see

[6:29] arrests are also up but I see that person crimes and property crimes are

[6:32] both down compared to last year and that put me in mind of a of an article I read

[6:37] uh just like maybe last week in the Atlantic that a lot of police

[6:40] departments are showing crime drops over the last few years

[6:44] » but nobody has a really good explanation for what the cause is there why that's

[6:49] happening. It [clears throat] doesn't seem to trend to you know officers per

[6:52] capita or stuff like that. So I guess I had two questions about that. one, do

[6:56] you have a good causal explanation that you want to and I'm not I don't want to

[7:01] like debate or make a part of it. I just want to hear what you think. And two, I

[7:04] guess do we compare these numbers to you just mentioned statewide where you know

[7:08] regional and statewide. Do we compare these kinds of numbers on a regional,

[7:12] statewide or national basis? >> Well, you're right. And I've seen the

[7:16] same thing. I think New York Times also ran an article about um big city crime

[7:20] being way down. uh just saw a significant drop, but

[7:25] Portland surprisingly did not see as a big drop in murder rate.

[7:29] » So, uh there's no magic history to that. >> Sure.

[7:33] » Um there, you know, crime crime stats tend to be cyclical. Um and so I think

[7:40] we're seeing that we when big cities were seeing murder rates go through the

[7:44] roof, we're about a year behind that. In 2023, we had seven homicides in the

[7:48] city, which is unheard of. And so, um, now, uh, we're barely getting into, we

[7:55] have the one involving a 2-year-old. We're still waiting for the state

[7:58] medical examiner to actually cause or give that cause of death, but it was

[8:02] fairly certain it's an abuse case. So, um, I I don't have an issue, Eric, for,

[8:09] » you know, I'm always happy when it goes down, but the one thing that, uh, we do

[8:13] with data driven stuff, we can really within a day or two see trends start to

[8:19] form. Uh, and that allows us to adjust

[8:21] accordingly and adjust resources accordingly. Uh, so I I wish I had the

[8:27] answer. I'd be really rich if I had the answer.

[8:30] » And another like Jim framework stock market mentality, right? You have a

[8:34] reason for everything that happens and you're wrong. 90% puts on the time. But

[8:37] anyway, thank you. I appreciate that. >> Thanks. Go ahead. Go ahead.

[8:40] » Oh, I was just uh back to um the Narcan. Are there um other than the Lee Button

[8:47] programs uh or program, is there any other way that the police department or

[8:52] or public safety in general is distributing our camp? Like can people

[8:57] ask for it or end up being is is there any other distribution other than its

[9:01] use by by officers and then leaving it? >> We often on our expired Narcan because

[9:08] on the shelf life is still good. I mean uh so a lot of times we won't carry it

[9:12] because that's not you know we want to carry the most up to date and most

[9:17] effective version of it but a lot of times we will hand them out to um like

[9:23] the folks at chance they go out and do camp contacts uh and so we we don't

[9:29] throw them away. We make sure they're redistributed. Um also with the schools

[9:34] if we know they're don't have some then we'll make sure they have now now gaps

[9:38] actually purchase or kids their own supply and so each of the um middle and

[9:44] high schools have multiple can available uh just in case there's somebody that's

[9:50] there. So, but we don't officially taken any programs.

[9:53] » Are there do you know if there's anywhere um someone

[9:57] wanting to make sure that they have their own own stock be able to carry it

[10:01] that people can can get it? Uh >> Chance is a good source. Um and the

[10:08] health department

[10:12] they'll make it available. Um I think you can also go into uh your public

[10:17] hospitals as well. Schools have it I think often.

[10:21] » Distribute. They have it. >> Yeah, they have it. Yeah. Just in case

[10:24] the the nasal system. >> Okay. The um

[10:34] something.

[10:38] Yeah. They um they actually came to the driving board that I'm on and um asked

[10:43] us to be kind of go between because they want to purchase more that they have it.

[10:48] So >> yeah,

[10:49] » for for the last uh up until this year, you you could there's multiple places to

[10:56] get it. The problem that we're having is that federal funding

[11:00] » or no longer available. So um yeah, is that because

[11:07] » yeah, no, I'm not going to go there. [clears throat]

[11:12] » So that's probably what you're saying. >> But questions on calls for service.

[11:16] » Yeah. Does it include um stuff is done online and phone work?

[11:22] » Yeah. Anything that creates a cab call where um a dispatcher either they can

[11:29] take the report of the phone or an offer dispatch. This does not include uh

[11:34] abandoned 911 calls, 91 hanging up calls or will be.

[11:39] » So if we want to see, you know, really where calls are, is it possible to have

[11:43] a breakdown of what we're seeing in the, you know, calls that doesn't require

[11:48] response and those calls that do require response? That's defin because one of

[11:52] the things I think is really important and especially when we're talking you

[11:56] know about um priority one things that would

[12:00] require a code three response you know are we seeing delays on those

[12:05] and things and be interesting what percentage of these are are just you

[12:10] know by phone report or computer report >> yeah I think priority level for sure um

[12:16] and then probably classifications and and that's a a little bit of a

[12:21] [clears throat] you know when we put out the number one

[12:24] addresses the station always comes and goes in number one because everything's

[12:27] well we if we don't know where the address is that's where it's defaulted

[12:31] to but that certainly can break that down and bring it back

[12:34] » be and then like and especially I'm thinking like priority one priority two

[12:39] clause you know >> what's it take you know you see what

[12:45] » that look at then you know we need more csos

[12:48] we need more officers first, you know, [clears throat]

[12:53] » yeah, there uh it's not Well, it doesn't take it takes one big fall to wipe out

[12:58] the entire team. >> Yeah, it's much like fire. But uh and

[13:02] then in my um there's only been twice since I've been here where we've

[13:06] actually had the call for assistance to cover calls. One of which was when we

[13:11] had a suicide of a county deputy in 200 2021 and that's just to take care of our

[13:17] folks. And then on January 6th of this year, we had an officer involved

[13:21] shooting and with 90 minutes later we had a suicide in the front parking lot

[13:24] of the police department and we had to ask for help. We didn't have any more

[13:28] resources. So Lynn County actually came took the suicide. Benton County took the

[13:34] uh the shooting which required by state law. Uh and then that the shooting took

[13:39] out six of eight officers. They were done for the for a day at least a day if

[13:44] not longer. So yeah, it doesn't need much to wipe it out. So So that's about

[13:50] 225 calls a day.

[13:56] » Y [clears throat] it's it's not uncommon

[14:01] that our folks eat their lunch on the go.

[14:04] » Yeah. Okay. Uh the benefit the we just are going to renew a lease with the

[14:10] coastal farm for the substation out there for another 5 years because that

[14:14] has had an impact where if you ever been out there seen police cars parked kind

[14:18] of back towards the office part that's where that station is and it's been a

[14:23] huge help to other folks. Yeah. When we're going out to walked one day and

[14:28] it's like okay there's a door there just the cops and it took me a while to

[14:34] figure Yeah, that right is right to the right

[14:37] of the door because that's where their little spa is. Great. Great.

[14:42] » Any questions before? >> All right. Um, [clears throat] every

[14:48] single year since I've been here, we have double digit hiring. Um, I suspect

[14:52] that probably will be the same in 2026, but not worries. Hopefully, it won't be.

[14:57] So, we hired 11 people in 2025. Uh that's a lot because for every 11 or

[15:04] every one person we actually hire, we probably touch 10 applicants. So it's a

[15:08] a huge load for us. And the pending hire, sorry about the typo. I'm not sure

[15:13] what happened there, but we do have a pending hire of a police officer. Uh and

[15:18] uh we we do have more vacancies after that, but we're I'll explain that in a

[15:22] second. And then we do have a candidate in background for a cso position, but

[15:26] Darla Darla Luther has been with the city for a long time. retired. Um, so we

[15:32] have some folks there. We [clears throat] also in December, I'm

[15:36] sorry, not December, this month, um, the new behavioral health, mental health,

[15:42] uh, person started and she came, her name is Heidi Davis. Uh, she came to us

[15:47] from, uh, adult protective services. She's been long into the service side of

[15:53] things. She very well known in the, uh, the service and law enforcement circles.

[15:59] So she's a good addition and show you drink keeping the fire hose a little bit

[16:04] with policies and figuring out things. But so we do have one cso. Um and then

[16:10] the five police officer positions really are um uh two of them are brand new

[16:16] positions that got in the budget uh banial budget and then uh three more

[16:21] people have advised that they will be retiring and working back. So, uh, the

[16:26] first one is Steve Carter is announced. He retired officially on February 1st.

[16:31] He's been working back till for a while. Um, February 1 of next year

[16:37] and then both Jerry Drum and Mike Wood are retiring June 30th, working back

[16:42] until June 30th. Uh, the city um has extended healthc care and work for the

[16:49] work employees and so but that creates uh a limitation. So in the past

[16:54] depending on the department employees be worked well beyond that one year in a

[16:58] work back and what a work back means is you retire in the state system. So you

[17:03] start drawing a paycheck and you're still working and they will pay back out

[17:06] of that. It's pretty nice but a lot of times the big issue is healthcare and so

[17:12] city put that in place just limits the length in which somebody can stay at the

[17:17] city. All right any questions on hiring? >> No but I did have a question. Um when

[17:23] you mentioned the health officer, is that someone that can come and speak to

[17:27] us sometime? >> Absolutely. Okay.

[17:34] » All right. [clears throat] The next thing and I I apologize for the small um

[17:39] but I wanted this is going to go um this going to be publicly available on our

[17:43] website probably within the next month or so.

[17:47] A week does not go by where I don't get actions probably from Hasso. Hi, I know

[17:52] you listen um about enforcement >> and so we created a dashboard which is

[17:58] what you see an image of where on a daily basis I can go and say where are

[18:03] we at on on uh tickets uh and this will be publicly facing so somebody can go

[18:08] and change the search primary dates and what it is is um the first graph you see

[18:15] there is uh speed versus red light number of tickets like speed and

[18:21] Um the second um to the right of that is is the breakdown of tickets per

[18:27] location. So you you'll see North Albony Road and

[18:32] the different approaches there. You'll see uh Queen and Elm uh Gary Santam uh

[18:38] Queen Gary etc etc with the total tickets last year being 6,482 tickets

[18:44] which is much higher than we expected. I see that these are only these are only

[18:50] the violations for when people were over 65 miles per hour.

[18:54] » No. Okay. So it uh it's the way the cat or system works.

[18:59] » Okay. >> So it's everything between 11 miles an

[19:03] hour over 65. And if you get over 65 mph over the speed limit, that's a whole

[19:07] other problem. >> Right. Right.

[19:08] » So that's just that that um statutory range. We don't ticket anybody a photo

[19:14] enforcement officer going 11 miles an hour or over. So that's what it means.

[19:18] And I have I have explained that all the time. Um and uh and then the lower left

[19:26] is the um average speed and the uh the highest speed at ticketed. Uh so you see

[19:32] some pretty decent speeds there at 79 75 and 60 liter.

[19:37] Intent trying to people slow down. And then over the year 2025, we have 444

[19:44] people who get more than one ticket. That number is dropping. So one of the

[19:49] other things that I produced for the city's annual report was all the camera

[19:54] locations were online starting in September of 2025. We don't have a full

[20:00] year's worth of data yet, but what we saw is that and and I saw this when I

[20:04] was at Belleview as well. You start out way up here and as the learning and

[20:09] education piece with the public, you'll start to see this downward trend and

[20:13] we've already seen that in change in behavior, but the traffic volumes have

[20:17] remained steady. That's something you have to look at. So, um we do expect

[20:23] that probably within two years everything will plateau out.

[20:27] » But this is one quarter's worth of tickets.

[20:30] » That's one year. >> It is a year.

[20:31] » That's 2025, >> right? But you said September. Oh, so

[20:34] they you they were added different sites throughout the year,

[20:37] » correct? Yeah. Uh the total number will be much higher in 26 because all

[20:41] location >> Yeah. We anticipate somewhere around

[20:45] anywhere from 9,500 to 15,000 tickets which has resulted in me having to hire

[20:52] somebody part time to to >> Sure.

[20:56] » And if you want some entertainment next Tuesday, I have to four tickets I I

[21:02] issued. So, >> oh

[21:05] yeah, >> no,

[21:07] I was the issuing person on it and so I get to report.

[21:11] » Well, as somebody whose kids walk to school through Queen and Hell, I

[21:15] wholeheartedly support this kind of stuff because

[21:18] » only Yeah, we've heard really good feedback from the people live on Queen.

[21:27] » Happy that. Um, and then same thing with the the folks who live on sand because

[21:32] it's uh uh you kind of got a curve there and so they a lot of times you can't

[21:37] pull out a driveway or they step on it. So we have people complaining that the

[21:42] speed limit there should be 35. Uh but it's you're in the neighborhood. So

[21:47] » exactly the the north neighbor that's by the

[21:51] north school. >> Yeah. So that's still very

[21:54] » that's wild. It's it uh and we we will be putting uh flashing beacons in which

[22:00] will narrow the enforcement window, but we still have plenty of people going

[22:04] through a wall over 40. Those flashing I think I see them all the time and they I

[22:08] mean they they work. I really like them because soon as you see that flashing

[22:12] light, you know, even though you don't know if they were already gone or not,

[22:16] but it's >> Yeah. a little bit and and Supreme Court

[22:20] heard this at all meetings, council meetings. Um, if it's like the crossing

[22:25] ones where you know there's the mention across the street, you're not accustomed

[22:29] to seeing that light. If you live in North Albany or that's a normal way you

[22:33] travel and you get used to those amber lights, your brain starts to disregard

[22:37] them. So that's what we're trying to convey that they're going to have a

[22:41] limited >> Yeah. So with regard to that sort of

[22:45] thing, gee, this is clearly the cameras and the tickets are a PD function, but

[22:51] this seems like it butts right up against some of the transportation

[22:53] commission stuff too, right? And I wonder if it would be interesting. I

[22:56] don't know a lot about how the transportation commission works or what

[22:59] they do. But I wonder might be interesting to have a joint meeting

[23:02] sometime or to to have a speaker come in and talk to us about that because I

[23:06] think, you know, I looked at like trying to get a four-way stop added at one of

[23:10] the spots that my kiddos were walking. Mhm.

[23:11] » I looked up the rules on getting this traffic sign control sign changed and I

[23:16] was like, damn, this is a rabbit hole. I do not need to go down.

[23:18] » Yeah. In in this lifetime. Yeah. >> But

[23:21] » I served on the traffic safety commission.

[23:24] » So you maybe you're the expert that we need, but I think about like, hey, the

[23:28] cops are going to write the ticket, so I need to talk to the law to the, you

[23:31] know, to APD about this. But that's not really how you get a sign there or how

[23:35] you track the use of that. >> We we get regular invites there. In

[23:40] fact, they have a discussion about photo enforcement. The city does expect that

[23:44] there will be some leftover revenue. It's not a gold line by any means

[23:47] because it's getting sucked up by dirt and all this stuff.

[23:50] » Sure. >> Um but one of the things that the

[23:54] council um one of the reasons they bought into

[23:58] it is all the revenue that is left over will go back to public travel safety

[24:02] improvements. Yeah. Won't fix our roads. >> No, but that's not the solution. But

[24:07] hey, if we have a a we we have a crosswalk at the location, but it's

[24:12] pretty dark. >> Put in a solar power crossing on the

[24:17] flashing. >> That's the behind how we spend that.

[24:22] » Yeah. >> Uh you mentioned that so the the

[24:24] flashing lights are are going to go in in North Albany. And I know that the

[24:28] previous conversation around that was that uh who is responsible for paying

[24:33] for that is is really tricky. And I I thought that there wasn't going to be uh

[24:37] lights put in because it was actually something that the school district was

[24:40] like the school was supposed to pay for, but then it was a the city couldn't do

[24:43] it. Like I I thought there was conversation. So I'm just curious as to

[24:46] where the like is the city putting that. >> Yeah, it it is it is a city project and

[24:51] I I if you keep hearing that, let me know because that's my understanding is

[24:56] that's not accurate. And it's uh will come from public works. It's their

[25:02] entity to install any lighting and traffic control devices. Uh the money

[25:07] from that was intended to come out of revenue from this program.

[25:10] » Okay. >> So, uh so but I have not heard that

[25:15] publicly. They were looking at contractors last time. Yeah. Maybe it

[25:19] was that it's it's very clearly like it's not a public safety or

[25:26] I remember exactly what the what the the issue was cuz I remember there's like

[25:30] there was a conversation about well that's not really just the an option

[25:35] right like it's not just easy or it's not just something that oh well if the

[25:38] speed limit is this and there's an issue then we can just throw flashing lights

[25:43] for you know during school hours it flashes or for the for the crosswalks

[25:47] and so I was trying I'm I'm more so thinking about when people ask why don't

[25:51] these these why don't these things happen more often or why is there such a

[25:55] problem in being able to get something that is so clearly going

[25:58] trouble or issues like what the process is like is it a like city council

[26:03] transportation commission um for public or like you know public works like where

[26:07] all that goes so that way when things that even though they're safety related

[26:11] uh wouldn't necessarily be a public safety issue as far as financing. So

[26:17] trying to clarify like >> this project actually touches multiple

[26:22] city departments. We manage the actual review of the tickets.

[26:26] » Right. Right. >> Public works manages all of the in

[26:29] infrastructure permitting and that because they have to lay power a lot of

[26:32] times with that access to network >> uh and finance runs the court system and

[26:38] so not only do they deal with the contracts and the payment for the

[26:42] program they also have to deal with management aspect of it. So it when we

[26:46] were talking about this project, it was a multi-layered project as far as

[26:50] getting the permits um to make any lighting change or anything like that,

[26:56] traffic pattern change, that's all public works. It has to go through and

[27:00] review through public works. And we did that. We presented a number of options

[27:04] to the council. And I was just telling Bessie that uh it

[27:11] may not uh change behavior as much as people will

[27:15] and but the city council wants to go that route and that's what we'll do. Uh

[27:19] and it's to the tune of about 150 200,000.

[27:22] » Okay. >> So cool. Thank you.

[27:25] » So one more question on the the uh traffic enforcement and the cameras.

[27:30] This is one of those um initiatives that we had hoped that would really improve

[27:34] public safety. Mhm. >> Um, so maybe it's a question for Chief

[27:39] Leavell. Are we seeing a reduction in accidents at these

[27:42] » intersections? Well, at those intersections, I can't answer that

[27:46] without doing some research. But we we have over 500 motor vehicle accidents a

[27:52] year, and I haven't seen this significant drop, but hopefully that is

[27:55] something we can start to track. But, uh, yeah, I'd have to specifically pull

[28:00] some dash to see at those specific locations. But yeah, we got a lot of

[28:04] automatic solutions. >> And one of the things we did outside

[28:09] manage program up in Belleview is we all always look at the right angle and rear

[28:14] end uh in this case speed uh probably distracted driving because if you're not

[28:19] paying attention you're driving paying attention your speed. So we can do that

[28:23] but we probably need uh two or three years worth of data to see if there's a

[28:27] change. that as you can see from the just the cases there there's going to be

[28:32] a little bit of a episode but yeah something that that we can both track

[28:37] because they're going to go to the injury crashes we're going to go to all

[28:41] crashes when they're even going to take no injuries so we'll probably go go that

[28:45] now >> great great question

[28:49] too right got >> you know the council you got to speak up

[28:56] I can't do What are you saying? >> Um I know that the council has um

[29:06] put forth a diversion program and they have the judge working to that. Um so

[29:12] when you say you're going to be giving going to court for four tickets, do you

[29:17] know they get the conversion for one or do they have to go four times or

[29:22] » No, these are four different drivers. actually five. I have another one in

[29:27] March. >> But if they're taking a crowded, that's

[29:30] not diversion. They don't get diversion. >> Okay.

[29:33] » So, I'm not sure why they're doing it. Um I reviewed the all of the those

[29:37] tickets in preparation and we checked their DMV photos. It's it's the driver.

[29:42] So, not sure why um they're doing that, but that's their right to do that.

[29:47] » But if they lose, then the fine will be imposed. What happens with diversion is

[29:53] they still have to pay the uh the presumptive minimum fine.

[29:58] » So even say they're doing, you know, 20 over and it's $300 ticket, they have to

[30:03] pay the base fine if the say the ordinance with the minimum fine.

[30:06] » Sure. >> Then they have to pay for the school and

[30:08] then once they completed the school, then the simply dismisses the ticket.

[30:12] » Okay. So, and we still have to pay fairly for that.

[30:17] » Yeah. vendor. So, um that we'll see how that that goes because I think people

[30:23] walk in go I just want a diversion not knowing that they still have to pay the

[30:27] the presumptive and put some work into getting into the traffic.

[30:31] » Yeah. Okay. Any

[30:39] question? >> All right. Good evening. I won't spend a

[30:42] ton of time on the report answer any questions, but uh we have some folks

[30:46] that are going to do a demonstration and talk about our new program and so I want

[30:49] to make sure we give them plenty of time. But uh dive into the report. So

[30:54] total responses for the current fiscal year uh 6,930.

[31:00] So right on pace for where we've been. Uh we did have a conversation at our uh

[31:04] admin meeting yesterday. It does. I'm interested to see. It seems like every 5

[31:08] years we kind of see a spike and it goes up. Um so it'll be interesting to track

[31:12] the next couple years and see what our run numbers do. Um fire and life safety

[31:18] evaluations. So basically our inspections

[31:21] uh that group uh small but mighty. We do a fantastic job for only having two

[31:27] people in that division that are doing um inspections. So 423 for the current

[31:32] fiscal year. Response times have been fantastic. Uh very excited about this.

[31:38] Uh those times as it says there, that's just within the city limits. That

[31:42] doesn't count on rural district or Millersburg. Uh I did take Kevin's uh

[31:49] recommendation. So first the reported structure fires, those aren't

[31:54] necessarily working instance. Those are it could be a smoke outlet. It could be

[32:00] a variety of things, but those are every time that we sent all five stations on a

[32:06] potential fire. So, there's been 53 of those this fiscal year, and the average

[32:11] scene time is over an hour for those incidents. Some of them may be several

[32:16] hours, some of them may be 15 to 20 minutes. And so, I thought maybe this

[32:20] would be, unless you guys have a different recommendation, kind of

[32:24] average seed time that plays into concurrent calls for service, which is

[32:27] on the back side. We can talk about that in a second. Um, so yes, there is a lot

[32:33] of time that it takes when we do and when we have an actual incident, we may

[32:36] have to pull the scene overnight, keep a crew on firewatch. So it does it's very

[32:40] taxing for our resources and takes units out of service for an extended period of

[32:44] time. Uh, community paramedic activity. Um, Hillary has been doing a phenomenal

[32:50] job. I don't have January's staff in there. That's because she's been out

[32:54] doing amazing things in the community and she'll have an opportunity in just a

[32:57] minute to talk about what she's been doing. Um on the back side, uh top 25

[33:03] responses, it's very fitting number two and number three falls and lift assists.

[33:08] So the program uh the equipment that we're going to talk about this evening,

[33:12] similar to what we carry on the rigs, um it it's good for the patient, it's good

[33:17] for us, strains and sprains and hurting backs and shoulders. Um, so we got a

[33:22] great demonstration like that for you. Uh, concurrent calls for service. Uh,

[33:27] this is something that we need to continue to watch. So, uh, having five

[33:32] calls occur at the same time, uh, 118 times this fiscal year. U twice we've

[33:38] had eight emergencies all going at the same time in our community. Obviously,

[33:42] when we get to that level, we're we're reaching out for assistance from

[33:46] Corvalis or from Lebanon to come in and provide an ambience for us. Uh the the

[33:52] bottom picture there is our heat map. Uh no big changes there as you can see from

[33:58] 8:00 in the morning till 8 at night. That is our our busy time of day. Uh we

[34:03] did have that peak activity unit medic 10 our single room program. It has been

[34:07] a game changer getting that from peak activity to a 24-hour ambulance. So uh

[34:13] lot of a lot of improvements there. Just a couple things to share. Uh we're in

[34:18] the process of uh designing and purchasing a new fire engine. Uh 1.1

[34:25] million is the cost for that. Uh delivery time once we place the order uh

[34:31] 28 to 34 months is that right Joe. Um so we go with the Pierce the same

[34:35] manufacturer that we always use. It'll be identical to the one that's sitting

[34:38] out there in the last one we bought. A few different specifications but um

[34:42] pretty close to the same thing. Um, our new recruits, we had eight new

[34:47] firefighters and one single role employee that um, graduated from the

[34:51] recruit academy in December and um, were assigned a shift. Um, all doing a great

[34:58] job that filled a lot of vacancies that we had. U, it'll also help out our

[35:02] overtime budget. And then we just got approval from the city to hire three

[35:07] additional firefighters. So that was discussed uh before we got into the

[35:13] bianium of the budget process, but we wanted to we were bargaining with the

[35:17] union and we wanted to see how that went and the cost associated with that and

[35:21] then the plan was that we would revisit it and the deputy senior manager gave us

[35:25] approval. Uh it will take some time um because we do we've lost one to another

[35:31] department. We have an individual that's on work back similar to what March had

[35:35] talked about. So we want to make sure that when we do a recruit academy that

[35:39] we're filling all those vacancies. So it could be as many as five six people that

[35:42] we put in that 16week academy. Uh we're also in the process of replacing all of

[35:47] our auto extrication equipment. Talking about motor vehicle collisions. Some of

[35:51] our uh current equipment is 25 years old. So we got council approval last

[35:55] week to spend $300 or $300,000 $300,000 to completely u outfit our

[36:03] entire fleet. So big step for us. Uh that is long overdue and we're excited

[36:09] to make that happen. Uh last thing I have our division chief of training Tom

[36:13] Hanky retired at the end of December. That was unexpected. Uh basically gave

[36:17] us about a twoe notice. Uh we'll be posting for his position. We've kind of

[36:22] tried to see if they're engaged if there's any interest internally. U there

[36:26] hasn't been a tenant. So we'll do an internal external posting. Uh but for

[36:30] the time being, there's a a few chiefs that are kind of wearing a couple hats

[36:33] and and helping pick up that slack. But it's a very important position in our

[36:37] department. It's a division of one as is. Now it's a division of zero. So we

[36:42] definitely want to make sure that we get that position filled. It was somebody

[36:45] that's going to do a great job for >> that department again.

[36:48] » Uh it's our division chief of training. >> Training.

[36:51] » What all do you say about >> that is uh maintained all of our

[36:56] certifications with the state. that is making sure that uh they run the

[37:02] recruitmies or a part of it facilitated uh training for our current employees.

[37:08] Um yeah, it's it's a heavy lift. It's a it's a big job. Uh what we had kind of

[37:14] talked about internally I think we had some uh engineers folks that drive that

[37:18] would be interested. They help with themies but there is so much

[37:22] administrative and budget oversight that we wanted to kind of keep it um bit of a

[37:27] qualifications at like a company officer and above since it is a chief level

[37:31] position. So um we may sometimes we just don't know if people are interested

[37:36] until the job actually posts. They don't want to share what their career

[37:40] aspirations are. Uh but we haven't we've been asking around and haven't for so we

[37:44] probably will have to go with an external candidate.

[37:48] Any questions before I kick it over to the presentation?

[37:52] » Yes, please. >> This would probably be for both chiefs.

[37:55] Would it be possible to just put together maybe doesn't need to be real

[38:00] in depth but something shows I think we looked at what the price of vehicles are

[38:05] for the uping of your vehicles and yours and then major equipment like life packs

[38:10] and the you know tools and because I don't think most of the public and

[38:16] probably most people on the committee have an idea what it costs to put out

[38:21] for a medic when they have to be replaced. I think that make it for sure.

[38:27] » You'll probably remember this. Our Oh, you were on your You guys are still on

[38:31] 700. I know you're on VHF. >> So, our our uh 700 system or portable

[38:38] radios are now $11,000 each. >> So, are they dual band or are they

[38:42] single band? >> They're single.

[38:44] » So, dual band is even more. >> Yeah.

[38:47] » Yeah. It's it's outrageous.

[38:50] » Yeah. >> Yeah. We had a portfol

[38:56] I don't know those are five or $6,000 a piece I think just for the one specific

[39:01] » 15 years ago roughly probably an engine was about 650 700,000

[39:06] » it's almost double >> and there are fewer manufacturers now

[39:10] too >> and two years to get

[39:16] » all right so we have an amazing program I've shared with the group. Um it's now

[39:22] in full effect. Our community paramedic, Hillary Cosmiki, has been out working

[39:26] with the care homes as well as uh David Bart. And so she's going to kind of talk

[39:31] about what she's sharing with the care facilities and then we'll do a

[39:34] demonstration and any questions that you may have out of it.

[39:37] » All right, we're going to start with some fun facts.

[39:40] » Uh when was the first care facility established in Albany, Oregon,

[39:46] and who?

[39:53] like I did.

[39:57] » So, ADH was started in 1944 with 32 beds. So, this facility was an overflow

[40:04] for specialized care within so does anybody know

[40:11] so 1942 and it was amenity.

[40:16] » Yeah. So that's kind of a little background as to what where this has

[40:20] gone from there to today. >> Kind of what happens when it's unchecked

[40:26] and when you don't know your rules and then you get to where we are today.

[40:30] Basically that's kind of the whole foundation of how starting. So like

[40:34] Chris saides and um basic evaluations falls that is

[40:40] like a major problem. Um we do the care facilities for roughly give or take 30%

[40:46] of our call going here. And so my job is to make calls go away, right? Keep them

[40:52] out of the ambulance, keep them out of the DR. And one of the things that I

[40:56] came up with was um many years ago I've been trying to get the facilities to do

[41:00] this within their own uh communities or fall response team, but I couldn't get

[41:05] them on board. And then um we got approached by DHS saying, "Hey, we have

[41:11] this grant and we want you to put in for the grant and we want you to try to get

[41:15] this established because if this works in Albany, they want to take it out to

[41:19] Oregon. And because this isn't just an Oregon problem, it's not an Albany

[41:22] problem. It's like a United States problem that 911 is getting overutilized

[41:27] for things that care facilities are actually responsibility to do on their

[41:30] own. So whenever care facilities are fined,

[41:34] it goes into a facility improvement fund and then they reach out to people like

[41:39] the responders, us say, "What is going on and what can we do to fix it?" And so

[41:44] that is how this all came about. They want to help fix that job. So basically,

[41:48] I think we purchased 15 cushions between Elks and Camel to show the difference.

[41:54] 13 of those were donated back to the facilities. So every memory care,

[41:58] assisted living, and nursing home got one of these. Um, and so far in the

[42:03] month of January, how many times did they use it?

[42:06] » So, we had over a 10day stretch from December 20th to December 30th. We had

[42:11] seven lift assists in 10 days that we didn't have to go on the facility,

[42:17] documented, did the lift, whatever they whatever happened, they were uninjured,

[42:22] were able to assist with the lift at that time.

[42:24] » Yep. And then I collected all the sheets today and

[42:27] » we're at uh 17 for January. >> So it's huge.

[42:34] » You know, not only are they utilizing what they're supposed to be doing, basic

[42:39] evaluations and lift assists if people are uninjured, but they're not calling

[42:43] us. So that's huge. Um, so I kind of really hit home how

[42:50] » how we have to be available for emergency and we're not supposed to be

[42:54] used for non-cursive transport. That's the other reason that they use that a

[42:57] lot and it's something that it's not actually our rule. That's kind of why he

[43:02] kind of looked up when we first to

[43:07] have what's called a provider alert. states that somebody is conscious alert

[43:12] stable, vitals are stable, and there's no change in condition, they're actually

[43:16] supposed to be handling non-emergency transports on theirelves on their own.

[43:20] And so that's another thing that I'm working on. So, we're working on that.

[43:23] And this is all part of this program that we're working on. It's not only

[43:27] just a care facility. They all got this. They all have all the information. I've

[43:31] trained them on the information probably eight times in the last 5 years. So, I

[43:35] just keep coming back and I kind of let them know, hey, we're in this together.

[43:40] We're This is new to us just as it is to you. And I go over how we have limited

[43:45] resources. Um we cover Albany. We call sorry cover tangent shed holding. We are

[43:52] mutual aid with um Lebanon, Corvalis, you know, we go to Millersburg.

[43:57] And when we actually I like to say we have three full-time medic units because

[44:02] station 14 depending on what kind of call they get that takes two medic units

[44:05] away to where we have all of this community to serve to where we really

[44:10] need you to triage your people and do your own transportation or arrange for

[44:15] that transportation and leave us out in a non-emergency transport because

[44:19] they're getting paid to take care of that. And so I said it's really good

[44:25] customer service on our part. So we're available for the real emergencies.

[44:30] » So you talk about a training cadence like that. Do you see the same folks

[44:34] staying at these facilities or staff? See the same staff.

[44:37] » The turnover I want to say the state said the turnover is like over 200%.

[44:42] » There. >> And so it is a revolving door. It's

[44:45] always new. And I've asked to be included in the new hire process as far

[44:49] as winter training. like I would love to come in and just keep giving

[44:52] information. So, >> but it's a it's a work in progress. It's

[44:57] learning, you know, with our guys having uncomfortable conversations saying,

[45:01] "Hey, you know, this person checks out. We more than willing to let them be

[45:05] supervised by you while we arranged for them to get to where they need to go."

[45:09] But that also includes us to show up, do a full evaluation, check all of the

[45:14] boxes, and say, "Okay." And we actually talk to the patient, too. Are you okay

[45:18] with this? If they say, "No, I want to go by you." We take them. But then we

[45:22] still talk on the facility side saying, "You should have never came." So, and

[45:27] you have to understand that the care facilities as far as memory care and

[45:31] assisted living, nobody on that staff is medically trained. I didn't know if you

[45:35] guys knew that or they don't have to know CPR, first aid, nothing. They are

[45:40] basically like they're only there to help with activities of daily living.

[45:45] And there's no medical care at those even though they're called care

[45:48] facilities. It's kind of, you know, it doesn't make

[45:52] sense honestly because we see a caregiver as one thing, but they're not,

[45:56] they don't provide any medical attention.

[45:58] » There's about a jillion different kinds of facilities, too, right? And they're

[46:00] all some licensed by county, some by state, some by

[46:03] » um so this is nursing homes, residential care, uh assisted living, and memory

[46:10] care. >> And adult foster homes, if they are

[46:13] licensed by the state, it's because they're providing the same care like

[46:16] actively daily living. The funny thing about that is if you're in any type of

[46:20] residential care that's not in these big buildings, yeah,

[46:23] » they're required to have first aid and medical card and CPR fire, but they're

[46:28] not required to actually use them. So, it's a it's a weird system. Yeah.

[46:34] Yeah. So, and it's and it's crazy because this is our most vulnerable

[46:37] population and they're just there to help them with

[46:41] their daily activities, make sure they're taking their medications, get

[46:45] them to and from doctor's appointments. And it's a very blurred line because

[46:51] when somebody says, "Oh, they need to be evaluated." Or the doctor says, "Send

[46:54] them out." Or their labs are off, they need to go to the emergency room. That

[46:58] triggers a lot of people saying, "Oh my gosh, that's a 911 call." But really,

[47:02] that is an unscheduled doctor's appointment. They're just open 24/7. So,

[47:07] it's just a real change in language and trying to have it make sense to

[47:12] everybody. And when I go through like what we have on staff and that, hey, we

[47:16] are all crossrained. We go to fires, we go to car accidents, we go to active

[47:21] shooters, we do all of this stuff. We have to be available for that because

[47:25] we're not in the non-emergency transport business. But since 1942,

[47:31] we've been doing it. And so this is a huge change. It's like we need you to

[47:37] kind of get back to doing your job that we've never made you. So

[47:41] » So of those 13 facilities, there's three that are nursing care homes, which have

[47:47] CNAs, um, and medical trained staff. The other 10 are the ones that she's

[47:53] speaking of, the the daytoday care that they take care of the residents.

[47:59] » And then we have two facilities that are Bonaventure and uh was it Ren Prairie? I

[48:05] mean Gary >> 1560 that are mixed like they have me

[48:11] they have assisted independent and memory therapy. So that kind of muddies

[48:15] the waters too. >> You guys have any questions on that

[48:18] before we get to the cushions? So, we ended up doing like 202 staff members in

[48:23] the facilities and then we brought we just got the our staff up to up to speed

[48:30] what we went out and did and then lots of discussion and talk and brought the

[48:36] the staff our crews up to date as to what's going on and how to approach each

[48:41] situation. And then so

[48:45] » it's been it's it's a very it's mindblowing to

[48:50] everybody who works here where like but what if this what if that I'm like you

[48:54] have to still do your job. Number one you got to do your job if everything

[48:58] checks out and they're okay with it. You have them arrange it and eventually

[49:02] they're going to stop involving right. Is this um this change something that

[49:08] just applies to like the Albany area or is this kind of

[49:11] » No, this is anybody who h does business in Oregon is supposed to be following

[49:16] this and it's been since facilities were established. We just did not know the

[49:21] rules. So, it's like nobody really looked into it until I was tasked with

[49:27] volunte paramedic, right? and they're like, uh, go on our high utilizers, go

[49:33] on our frequent calls, the things that we get, go on the most and try to figure

[49:37] it out. And took a lot of leg work. I had to call the state. I'm like, what

[49:41] are the rules? I don't even know what the rules are. And just knowing that

[49:45] caregivers weren't medically trained blew my mind. I was like, "Oh my gosh,

[49:48] that explains a lot. >> Really surprises."

[49:51] » Yeah. It's like, because we're going out, I'm like, "Well, why didn't you

[49:53] help them?" >> Well, I don't know. Or what's wrong with

[49:56] them? I don't know. It's like, "You're a caregiver. How come you don't know

[49:59] that?" But we had no idea they weren't medically trained staff. And then to

[50:02] actually go through everything else, I'm like, "Wow." I'm like, "We have been

[50:07] supplementing your staff since the beginning of of time, since the history

[50:10] of care facilities in Albany." >> I wonder if that's the case in um other

[50:14] areas, too. like if staff members and other care facilities

[50:18] are also not medically trained and also not

[50:21] » well it's it's kind of different in every area that you're in because if you

[50:25] go to Salem or Eugene they have private ambulance and so they can call the

[50:28] non-emergency line and ask for a transfer and a private ambulance to do

[50:33] that but because we are the fire department and we are the only one in

[50:37] town >> it's required of them to either either

[50:40] provide that care for them like with a transport van or their activity vans or

[50:45] to have somebody that will come and take them or family members.

[50:48] » So, we've just been doing it though. So, it's different. So, really, it's on

[50:51] facilities to know their area, know the capabilities of their fire department

[50:56] and who they have for non routes to transport in the area, but they just

[50:59] don't do it because these a lot of these places uh operate outside of Oregon and

[51:06] they're all different. Like, if you go outside of Oregon, they have guarantees

[51:09] that work there or they have medically trained staff that are required to be

[51:12] there. Oregon isn't the same. >> The thing is the fire service, it's it's

[51:17] hard for us to say no. Yeah. And so it was a lot different 25 years ago when we

[51:22] were running 4,000 calls versus 12,000 calls. And so as we look for proactive

[51:28] ways to try to reduce non-emergency calls for service, like these are the

[51:32] things that we got to think outside the box and what we can do to try to keep

[51:36] the sources. >> And it's really hard. It is so hard.

[51:39] » Yeah. >> And knowing this now, they're sure not

[51:43] afraid to charge like they've got the medical help.

[51:47] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[51:48] » So, the way they go about charging people is between assisted living memory

[51:53] care. It's the same untrained people. >> It's how much time they have to spend

[51:57] with the individual is how they go with their pay scale as far as how much they

[52:00] charge them. So, that's why memory care is more expensive because that's

[52:04] basically 24-hour job. or assisted living. It depends on what they have to

[52:08] do to help them with that's how much they charge him. That's how that's done.

[52:13] » Is there any way to um I just find it really troubling that they don't even

[52:18] have basic first aid for CPI? It's crazy.

[52:22] » Uh the only way that it's going to happen

[52:25] is a level >> and trying to get the the rules changed

[52:30] at the top. That's the only way it's going to happen. I don't think we should

[52:33] get a guest speaker from the long-term care.

[52:37] It just strikes me that they're missing a golden opportunity because if they had

[52:42] trained staff, they could use that >> in promotion, you know, but we're the

[52:49] only ones in that have that, you know, 100% bottom line

[52:57] as well. >> It defends their bottom line and they're

[52:59] one kind of per profit. And how much do bond ventures make?

[53:04] » Bond adventure was almost 300 million andale

[53:08] nationally was like 3.2 billion. >> Yeah. If they can afford it, they're

[53:12] just >> Yeah. And we and it's like you're going

[53:17] to complete you're going to be supplementing staff.

[53:20] So if they have higher degree responsibility, they have to pay the

[53:24] workers more. I had a pocket that went from

[53:28] independent to assistant to Medicare and it went from about $8,000 a month to

[53:32] almost $20,000 a month. >> Yeah, it's it's very criminal.

[53:37] » Yeah, it is. But at the same time, it's not on the caregivers either. They're

[53:41] only doing what staff is telling them to do. And they are they work very hard for

[53:46] as little as they get paid. So, it's not their fault. It No, it's not.

[53:49] » It comes from admin and they're doing exactly what admin is telling them. So,

[53:52] it's from the top down. It's all with the training and and educating them on

[53:56] what their roles are because when they learn them, they're they're fine and

[53:59] they're improving. >> Just like Quill Runs, they're the ones

[54:02] at what 24. No, >> what was the number?

[54:08] » 17. >> 17. Yeah.

[54:10] » They're the Coil Run for both months have been like the outstanding amazing

[54:14] people. They love their >> But then and they use it nonstop. So

[54:19] then you got another one when I was picking up the calendars. They didn't

[54:22] use it and now they've got a back injury and they've got a worker's fire plane.

[54:25] And she's so mad. She's like, "The fire department hates this. Why didn't you

[54:29] use it?" I'm like, "What are we going to do?" She's like, "I'm so mad." I'm

[54:34] [laughter] like, "I'm sorry." But >> I think the big thing Hillary's done

[54:38] such a good job. She's in contact with the state. she they created a position

[54:44] to actually uh field the questions that she has

[54:49] about all of the documentation for these care facilities and how they have um

[54:57] she's staying up on that. So he's they created a position at the state to be

[55:01] able to >> he told me all the questions and

[55:04] knowledge actually have taught him how to do his job. And then he also said, he

[55:09] goes, "You have the largest scope of any community paramedic in the state. You're

[55:13] only one." >> He goes, "All these other people have

[55:15] dual multiple community paramedics for a department." He goes, "You're one and

[55:19] your scope is like so big." And it's because when we have a problem with the

[55:25] department, I get questions all the time like, "Okay, well, what are we going to

[55:28] do to fix that?" Just like that's how Damon got involved. It's like, "Okay,

[55:31] well, I want this." And so him and one of my other firefighters sat down and

[55:35] helped me build the training program. cuz I'm like you guys are responding.

[55:38] What do you want to see? And they just took it from there. So it's not one

[55:42] person that takes the entire department, but it's like once I get hammered with

[55:47] so many questions or so many frequent callers, I'm like, "Okay, I guess we got

[55:51] to fix it." So, and the program just keeps growing and growing and growing.

[55:55] So, but calls are >> Are you the first kid?

[55:59] » Yes. I think I was the second in. But they they told me they're like I'm

[56:06] like I don't know what that is. They're like they don't know either. We just

[56:08] want you to keep him out of the ambulance and out of the ER and that was

[56:12] my that was what how I started. I was like okay

[56:16] » and Brad talking about it. >> Yeah.

[56:18] » Yeah. >> They had no idea what we were supposed

[56:20] to do. We just needed somebody creative. All right. So these are the two lifting

[56:27] cushions and the guys are gonna show you guys how they work.

[56:31] Damon's gonna explain the capabilities and Yeah,

[56:37] I'm the numbers person and he's the doer. So,

[56:42] » uh, we're gonna do one at a time. >> Yeah.

[56:46] » You want to do it on the ground and we can use somebody as a

[56:49] » person? So we basically went into each of the

[56:53] facilities not knowing exactly how they responded to medical fall, lift assist,

[57:01] anything that way. So we asked who's going to be responding to each of those

[57:05] calls within the facility. They they basically told us a med and two.

[57:12] So that works good with the system of this the lifting device. Um, so each of

[57:18] the facilities, uh, Men and I getting three of these. Um,

[57:24] and some of the other ones getting two. The other ones we use, uh, the elk and

[57:31] then we have this one is the camel. Do we have the right there? Yeah.

[57:37] Um, so basically we we had them do kind of a

[57:42] head to toe checking them for any bleeding, any deformities, anything

[57:46] outside of their baseline um level of consciousness for their what whether

[57:52] they're in memory care or assisted living. So basically walked through did

[57:57] that and then showed them the instruction on this. Each of these

[58:01] compressors uh they've got a 12-h hour charge on them. We carry these actually

[58:07] on our engines now. The health device. This other one, we'll show you that one

[58:11] too. Um, this one has a lifting device of 770 lbs. They're both at the same

[58:18] height at 22 in in their height. Um, so we came up with with their basic

[58:26] evaluation on each one of these compressors.

[58:31] We've got just a little uh pocket guy and you got one there. So basically,

[58:36] it's real simple. It's fastened onto here on the compressor. When they take

[58:41] that, the med grabs this and the device. They can follow that to it to you.

[58:47] resident has a paw. Before moving the resident, prior to calling 911, ask are

[58:52] you okay? And then are you injured? Would you like us to call 911? So those

[58:58] are the things. And then they're going to conduct their basic evaluation from

[59:02] head to toe, putting their hands on them. And then um if they're uninjured,

[59:06] we can use either or. Um the camel working the best in here.

[59:13] » It's a oneperson lift. So there's four buttons on here.

[59:18] So they just start with the first button and we'll kind of demonstrate that. But

[59:24] » before we get them on the the lifting device, we'll have the resident, we'll

[59:28] scoot them, we'll hook up the hoses, we'll scoot them on there. But prior to

[59:32] that, we kind of cue the staff. >> Yeah.

[59:35] » To basically um you >> So if somebody's on the floor, they have

[59:40] been on the floor an hour or they may have been on the floor 10 minutes. And

[59:44] we had one of the volunteers actually at me memory care at Timberwood. We asked

[59:48] her, "Uh, are you okay and you hurting?" She said, "I hurt all over."

[59:55] » So we kind of cued them to say, "Well, is that good or just from laying on the

[59:59] floor?" So they're able to triage the pace the resident out. Um,

[1:00:04] » so we skipped a a vital step. He He's on the cushion. So he's

[1:00:10] » Yeah. How do you get him on the cushion? We can slide them on with a sheet. Is

[1:00:14] that part of the training? Because that's critical.

[1:00:16] » Yeah. Yeah. Up to the staff what they're comfortable with. Like we we taught them

[1:00:21] how to sheet slide because we want to take the lift out of it because we want

[1:00:25] we don't want anybody to get injured. So we're like this requires no lifting. So

[1:00:29] you can you roll them on their slide and get that close. Roll them back then have

[1:00:33] them scooch. >> Y

[1:00:34] » or you can have them lay back on a a blanket and you slide them on.

[1:00:37] » But it's kind of up to the facility. We left it up to whatever they're most

[1:00:40] comfortable with cuz they're not medically trained. So, we're just like,

[1:00:44] "Okay." And they're figuring it out. We gave them options. We said, "Use what

[1:00:48] works best for you and what you're comfortable with."

[1:00:51] » So, with with that, he's got the the compressor hooked up, turn it on, and

[1:00:57] then they'll start with the camel. We'll kind of get them. We want to get their

[1:01:01] head up at least. So, there's four buttons on there. So, like one is one

[1:01:06] and five. So, we'll get them up to a 45 and then we'll start on two and bring

[1:01:11] that bottom cushion up the next one. And then we ask them to

[1:01:16] get one of the cushions filled up. So, reevaluate,

[1:01:21] see if there's any change that way. And this is part of the troubleshooting

[1:01:28] that we went over with them because you can't

[1:01:31] connect very sharp. the pressors and the lift

[1:01:37] devices keeping after them they go

[1:01:42] warranty. Uh we asked if they have the portic

[1:02:03] » and with this one you can kind of see as long as they're supine straight in line

[1:02:08] with it straight. >> Yeah. But then with one person,

[1:02:15] the resident was pretty happy with how it worked out. She said,

[1:02:28] » it's just a process really. We're like we're just kind of teaching them how to

[1:02:32] work best within their scope. And really the card Did you go through

[1:02:37] the card with them? >> Go on the back.

[1:02:39] » Yeah. what the card is. It's all we're asking are they entered or not injured

[1:02:44] to the to kind of go through that not entered and then go from there.

[1:02:50] So we go again and we told the arts they can come out

[1:02:57] and they be on the third cushion and then they reeval

[1:03:02] resident. So, we're just going to

[1:03:08] land.

[1:03:21] So, each one goes to 22 in in a night. They're pretty easy as far as needles.

[1:03:30] We just asked them to write them in jail and then try

[1:03:37] pretty hardy. He could check it out afterwards. See how it's pretty firm.

[1:03:46] So then here you'll go back to and then bring back to the city.

[1:03:56] about $2,400 for that one and about 1,600 for the uh the smaller one.

[1:04:02] » Yeah. So, the compressor is the most expensive part.

[1:04:05] » Yeah. I mean, that that's when you buy that as a package, it's 24 for the

[1:04:09] compressor and that. >> So, then at this point, we just ask them

[1:04:14] to kind of let them sit there, get their bearings back. how depends on how long

[1:04:18] we've been down. Got to get the circulation going again is set vital

[1:04:22] signs, make sure we're good and then go from there to be over. If we don't need

[1:04:27] to move them, we have to go right to the pie. It's a little easier or we can just

[1:04:31] leave them there and if they feel okay, then we can go ahead and they can and

[1:04:36] then each time that they do one of these, we send out to each of the

[1:04:40] facilities and has a 12-month calendar that um so they fill it out. This one's

[1:04:46] the January one. So, they filled the boxes. Um, and it

[1:04:52] just basically covers date, age, gender, repeat, yes or no. Basic evaluation,

[1:05:00] yes, no. 911 called yes, no. There was one that they called, yes, called 911.

[1:05:09] Um and then brief description and then the the device used uh transport yes or

[1:05:16] no and then a number of personnel they used to do that.

[1:05:21] » So so you got them sitting up now so in the facility

[1:05:28] they get their various and then they can put them into bed that way. Is that

[1:05:33] » Yeah. and they they've got their standards as to like if this person

[1:05:37] resident is a twoerson assist. So they'll get two people on each side and

[1:05:41] set them up whether they need to go back to their wheelchair or they need to go

[1:05:46] to bed or they're going to the dining hall or however they may be or or going

[1:05:51] to the bathroom whatever the

[1:05:57] » Did you guys want to see the other one or do you

[1:06:00] » see what the difference is? >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Just leave that

[1:06:03] one. All right. You can disconnect. You can disconnect.

[1:06:10] » I think this is absolutely great. I already impressed by. But I have to say

[1:06:14] from a user standpoint, it looks harder to use than AD.

[1:06:21] » I I mean, yeah, it's >> You want to try to hook it up?

[1:06:25] » I don't I was watching those. >> Well, that was the first time they ever

[1:06:29] hooked that one up. Well, but it's going to be the first time with 200% turnover

[1:06:32] at facility. It's just going to be the first time for a lot of

[1:06:36] » and they tried to make it as user friendly colored and

[1:06:39] » number

[1:06:47] just if someone's going to sit just move it to the

[1:06:50] » Yeah, this one can kind of be um like if we get we end up in bathroom in a tight

[1:06:55] spot, we see all the time. This one is real That's the right application.

[1:07:04] » This is definitely a minimum of two person or that other one was a one

[1:07:09] person or assist >> because this uh is more they did for

[1:07:15] assisted living because you have to have a little bit more core strength to kind

[1:07:19] of sit without wobbling. >> So you just have to face it.

[1:07:27] Show your face somewhere. >> Huh?

[1:07:39] » These just came out of the package. So you have to kind

[1:07:55] » No, you're fine. Just make sure

[1:08:10] » we kind of found we can get typically two lifts full like a camel and milk

[1:08:17] back in and then it's got to go back. It's a has a 12h hour charging period

[1:08:23] to get it fully charged back.

[1:08:27] So they have a battery pack independent of the

[1:08:35] » Yeah, they can we can replace the battery.

[1:08:40] So we don't charge maintaining and replacing

[1:08:47] are the batteries the same battery. It's interchangeable. This is a seven.

[1:08:58] » Are they lithium or so

[1:09:03] that just now starts like

[1:09:12] » it's just the connection there. But >> you guys want to

[1:09:16] » Yeah. >> sit on or feel them whatever. They're

[1:09:19] very, very sturdy. They're okay. >> This one's green.

[1:09:23] » Yeah, that one is too. >> So, did you say that you had one of

[1:09:26] these on each of the engines? >> We have an elk on every engine.

[1:09:30] » Okay. >> And they work great.

[1:09:33] » We've had them for years. That became that came upon because we have back

[1:09:37] injuries >> and so this is helping us. Yeah. And

[1:09:40] this one's a lot the smaller one's a lot speedier. Uh this one really is designed

[1:09:45] more for care homes. And so, um, yeah, that one we have great use with and it

[1:09:51] was easy to to sell that because it just something we've had for probably five or

[1:09:55] six years now on our engines. >> All the room on the engines.

[1:10:03] » How long do they typically last? Like what is the

[1:10:07] » charger like the machine?

[1:10:10] » True. We've had the other lifting devices. I mean, you can you can see

[1:10:14] they kind of get they kind of get beat up on the engine, but these are some of

[1:10:17] our original ones and they're five six years old. I'm just now starting to

[1:10:22] replace the internal battery sockets. >> So, you're talking 60 to 65 bucks. As

[1:10:27] long as you keep this in good shape and working shape. I mean, so far we've not

[1:10:30] had to replace any. >> Yeah.

[1:10:34] But take it into a home where there's as an example, he fell down and it it's

[1:10:42] like dead weight. Dead weight. >> Yep.

[1:10:44] » And so it actually took more than just one or two to do it. So would this help

[1:10:50] that also? Like you get them on it and then

[1:10:54] » Yeah. And you can even use them like if you need to put somebody on a backboard

[1:10:58] and they're a big person as well, you can put the backboard on top of this and

[1:11:01] it will help you get up too. So there's you can use it in multiple ways.

[1:11:04] » Oh yeah. >> Same with that. You don't have to

[1:11:07] inflate the the head. So if you have somebody who's bed bound that can't sit

[1:11:11] up, you just don't use number one. And then we have told them like they can

[1:11:16] go into the shower. They need something to have somebody sit on to support and

[1:11:21] shower. They can go in a shower. They can do anything. you can get wet. Um, so

[1:11:26] there's multiple uses. It's just a creative use. Like if you were like,

[1:11:28] "Oh, we should try that." Then absolutely, I knew it.

[1:11:35] » So you said 17 times in January, one facility.

[1:11:40] » Uh, 15. >> Okay.

[1:11:42] » 15, right? >> 17.

[1:11:45] » 17 total. 14 is just one facility. >> Yeah.

[1:11:48] » Yeah. But either way, that's a lot of ambulance.

[1:11:52] total of 25 I think so far, >> right? So

[1:11:55] » since December 20th >> that's big savings a day basically

[1:11:59] » that we're available for other so I'm waiting to see this number fall

[1:12:03] down the listing

[1:12:07] that number if they're using the device >> they are still doing their basic

[1:12:11] valuation and lifting on their own if they want to you know they can get hurt

[1:12:15] but that's they're only reporting the ones that they use the device for.

[1:12:21] That's even this is helpful. Really helpful

[1:12:24] too. I noticed that those have those questions on there and my dad he falls

[1:12:29] he's had a lot of balls too. So this helps kind of like be able to

[1:12:33] differentiate you know does he need to go to the emergency room. They're

[1:12:38] untrained medical staff. So it's like just follow this and we will never

[1:12:42] question you. that if you do that, you're doing a great job because we

[1:12:46] can't really expect a whole lot from them because they're not trained.

[1:12:49] » And we have to keep telling ourselves that because a caregiver means so much

[1:12:54] to us as they were scrubs. You see with stethoscopes, they look medically

[1:12:58] trained, but they're not. >> So yeah, we had we did this because we

[1:13:03] wanted to take the guess work out of everything and just go down and do this

[1:13:08] and then if you get to the bottom and they're not hurt, use this. And Damon I

[1:13:12] think attached them to every single battery and every single bag in every

[1:13:17] device. And so if they have them or not because everybody got one that we train

[1:13:21] but if they use it they still attack just look at the card follow the card.

[1:13:27] » If they're say out at any time stop and call us because they're not they don't

[1:13:31] they don't know how to do evaluation. They it's not their job. Right. If

[1:13:35] somebody's hurt then it's our job. >> So we just want to take the guess work

[1:13:38] out. >> Yeah.

[1:13:41] Great. Thank you so much. >> Thanks everybody. I appreciate you.

[1:13:48] » And it's just as easy and dink.

[1:14:08] So I'd like

[1:14:14] » Thank you very much.

[1:14:31] Wow.

[1:14:35] As someone who deals with falls at our own home, that's impressive.

[1:14:41] » It really is. >> Yeah.

[1:14:44] » Okay. Um

[1:14:48] already

[1:14:59] » you knew it was going to happen. [laughter]

[1:15:02] » All right. Thank you guys for

[1:15:08] » All righty. Uh is there any business from the members?

[1:15:13] I really appreciated your suggestion of the guest speaker next time as being the

[1:15:17] the mental health professional. That'd be great.

[1:15:22] » Just let us know. Yeah. Let's see. That's going to be

[1:15:28] » April. Uh let me let me gauge that readiness one of the next meetings.

[1:15:33] Yeah. Uh we have some other stuff that we can demo uh if need be. So,

[1:15:39] » can I ask a quick question because it's on everybody's mind.

[1:15:45] I don't know what you can tell us about any

[1:15:49] ice activity in opening. I know there's some, but um

[1:15:55] I always worry when the council just did with the resolution

[1:16:01] that's just kind of putting a target out of it like, oh, this is what we're doing

[1:16:05] and stuff. And so, I'm sorry. I'm not sure what you're

[1:16:09] asking back here.

[1:16:12] » I'm sorry. About I do you think the resolution is going to attract federal

[1:16:17] activity in Albany just because of the resolution?

[1:16:21] » It could. Okay. So, let let me let me back up to January. So when when the

[1:16:29] when the um the executive orders came out uh about the intent of the current

[1:16:35] administration to up the immigration enforcement,

[1:16:39] » we were already anticipating that we would probably have a number of issues

[1:16:43] pop up because Oregon was a target. it they've been very clear that they

[1:16:49] don't like the laws here and even though our sanctuary province laws were voter

[1:16:54] approved decades ago. This is not a governor's comm.

[1:16:59] So the chiefs and sheriff's association were already working up to okay uh one

[1:17:06] we're going to be put in the middle law enforcement put in the middle of this.

[1:17:10] » Yes. >> Uh we do not and will not do immigration

[1:17:14] enforcement. we're not even empowered, you don't have in training in it, so on

[1:17:20] so forth. And so that's been very clear from the very beginning.

[1:17:23] » Um, and then that morphed and we've made that very clear to the federal

[1:17:28] authorities. So what that resulted in is like they're like fine, whatever. We're

[1:17:32] going to do our thing. We're not going to tell you when you're going to do it.

[1:17:36] And that's a common problem. Um I'm aware that there been town multiple

[1:17:41] times as far as incidents and detainment throw anywhere uh three or four and

[1:17:47] normally we find out after the fact. >> Yes. So one of the things that we do and

[1:17:52] and there'll be council presentation coming up um way back in 2020 I formed a

[1:17:57] group called the diversity advisory uh in alliance team. It's a a team of

[1:18:02] committee members and the police department that work together to open a

[1:18:07] communication about issues around public safety where normal channels of trust

[1:18:12] are not there. So, uh, and that has led to a number of, um, uh, back and forth

[1:18:22] when issues arise. And so, for instance, after the first shooting in Minneapolis,

[1:18:28] the protest within Albany or rallies within picked up because we have that

[1:18:33] trusted relationship, we can lean into that group and say, "Hey, just tell us

[1:18:37] what what you're expecting here. How can we assist you?" uh even in the earlier

[1:18:43] uh rallies that were going on on way really late that allows us an overl

[1:18:48] communicator to talk to organizers of those groups to make sure that

[1:18:53] everything's safe and that the rallies themselves. It's the agitators that will

[1:18:59] come and try to disrupt. Um and then over the last month or so since uh all

[1:19:05] the uh [clears throat] horicult and and the death kicked in

[1:19:11] everybody's um stress level worry um concern is way up. Uh [clears throat]

[1:19:18] and so there's multiple things happening. Obviously people have a riot

[1:19:24] and potential building. We're all paying attention to that. What concerns me as a

[1:19:29] police chief, and I've been very open about this, and I'm also the president

[1:19:32] of the Oregon Chiefs Association, is the tactics involved here.

[1:19:37] » Exactly. >> Uh I can say, okay, federal government,

[1:19:40] we don't do immigration, whatever. Don't don't expect us to do

[1:19:45] that work with you, but this hackath

[1:19:51] even in Albany multiple times where have been broken, cars have been left on the

[1:19:54] side of the road, and we have no idea what's going on.

[1:19:57] Uh we uh we have had an incident that we have charged the resident of Albany for

[1:20:04] pulling a gun into two park workers asking if they're here be or not and we

[1:20:09] charge them on crime and also that the bias component for that. So concern is

[1:20:15] is there for us and so uh even from the beginning we've had um open discussions

[1:20:21] with the hack um the NAACP and other organizations within the valley here

[1:20:28] keep lines of communication on the resolution the council just did think

[1:20:33] about from Nancy Freeman who's on the DAT and she we worked with her on the

[1:20:38] wording of that resolution um and I have said, and I would agree, that if you go

[1:20:46] and poke the bear as a federal government, they will make an example

[1:20:51] out of you. That's that's what's Minnesota's going through. So, what can

[1:20:55] we do to try to build trust and on the line of communication with our

[1:20:59] communities uh so they can lean into us, call us, they I get calls from our

[1:21:04] committee members saying, "Hey, this is going on. Can you confirm about this?"

[1:21:07] and I have contacts where I can contact their federal authorities to get

[1:21:11] information from me, but they're not warning us ahead of time and I don't

[1:21:15] expect that to change. >> So, um, so that yeah, there is some

[1:21:20] concern. Um, I think that the resolution is safe because everybody is voicing

[1:21:26] their opinion right now. So, there's collective uh uproar and concern and

[1:21:32] just stand in for what they're seeing across the country. So I don't I'm not

[1:21:36] so much worried about that, but we are openly monitoring that is really damaged

[1:21:40] our relationship with our federal partners, all of them all and such.

[1:21:45] » Sure. >> Um so uh that's what concerns me and we

[1:21:50] get lumped in with federal authorities. >> And I get lumped in and that's not

[1:21:54] necessarily fair. >> I also push back. I will push back if I

[1:21:58] see uh when George Floyd happened, we were like as upset as everybody else.

[1:22:03] But what one does impacts all it does. >> And so I'm very mindful of that and that

[1:22:09] the damage of this is out of the good work we've done since 2020. Sound like

[1:22:13] the communication get >> Yeah. What do the best that we can? Um

[1:22:19] I I think we just need to be very careful and thoughtful about if we do

[1:22:25] certain things, what is the impact and the ripple effect of that? So, where can

[1:22:29] we continue to build trust with our local community? What control we have

[1:22:34] with locally to help our residents? Uh, where in fact, I've had business owners,

[1:22:39] Hispanic business owners who know me would say, I I this employee hasn't

[1:22:44] shown up for work. Can you can you tell me? And I can find out whether they're

[1:22:48] telling me or not. So, but nobody knows because nobody's telling me.

[1:22:53] » So, that's a very long answer to your question. and all that. That's

[1:22:56] » I did support the resolution. I work with Nancy on it. So did Peter. Um uh

[1:23:01] and there's a lot of handraing over that, but I I think we're beyond

[1:23:06] political. >> That's going to be politically

[1:23:09] acceptable to any side. We've got to say something.

[1:23:13] » It's a shame. >> It's a shame.

[1:23:15] Um, speaking on that topic, I did reach out last month um, about the vlog

[1:23:22] cameras and just had some questions and >> um, because there were like some

[1:23:26] concerns about data breaches and like data being breached to the federal

[1:23:31] government um, you know, they ICE was using that um, for like detainees. And

[1:23:37] so I appreciate the Albany Police Department's responses on how they

[1:23:43] specifically use block and have already thought about those safeguards and how

[1:23:47] they safeguard their data within a certain amount of time that they keep it

[1:23:51] confidential. And so um I think there was something recently um where there

[1:23:56] was a response about um having like frequently asked questions on um open to

[1:24:02] the public. So there's that's also helpful as well. Yeah, we can and we can

[1:24:06] do it. We do that with our full enforcement. I think we can put that up

[1:24:09] as well. And then also direct people back to our transparency page or flocks

[1:24:14] Albony PD transparency page. >> Really nice that they have that.

[1:24:18] » Yeah. And I there there's a lot of misinformation out there. Um you know,

[1:24:22] obviously there's much there's multiple LPR companies out there companies. Um

[1:24:28] and so we've had a hard conversation with Flock. They didn't handle the

[1:24:33] initial survey media very well at all and that it's costed millions of

[1:24:38] dollars. U but one of the things that I can speak to is the the the guarantee of

[1:24:46] walled off data and so any license any person comes through the one camera that

[1:24:51] we have downtown that is kept within the state of Oregon with local agencies

[1:24:55] only. It's not shared with the federal government. Um, and so we and we can see

[1:25:01] who's looking at our data. That's the other thing. We can see who's and you

[1:25:05] have to have a legitimate reasoning the database. And what we're um trying to do

[1:25:11] on a state level is work with ACLU and other partners to what does that look

[1:25:16] like moving forward? Um, I will tell you that the flock cameras themselves have

[1:25:20] resulted in the arrest of two murder suspects.

[1:25:24] Everybody knows Al from uh M's dairy farm was murderous. Yes. That woman was

[1:25:30] caught on FL in San Diego trying to get to Mexico.

[1:25:36] And we weren't even a customer. >> The current the 2-year-old that I told

[1:25:40] you that we're suspecting might be a homicide victim.

[1:25:42] » Yes. >> We caught him in Denver based on block

[1:25:44] camera. If we had the old um the old way of doing anything, it took us months to

[1:25:50] get there. So just things to think about there. Um I think there's a lot of mis

[1:25:54] misconceptions. We don't capture throw images at all. You're more at risk from

[1:26:00] being data mined from this block. I >> think the face recognition.

[1:26:05] » Yeah. Yeah. >> Because you know Apple storing your

[1:26:09] Apple storing your image and I do have a contract with

[1:26:16] » so yeah but as far as block is concerned

[1:26:19] I'm absolutely I think that's a great idea. Thank you for reminding me. I was

[1:26:22] like, >> "Yeah,

[1:26:24] » yeah, that's great." So, that was helpful to get all of that information

[1:26:29] » and ask any question anytime. I mean, we're we're going to be as open as we

[1:26:33] can. The actual sharing of that those license plate reads with immigration

[1:26:38] authority visas and is a direct violation of the sanctuary comm's law.

[1:26:42] So, even when we first got them, so we cannot share that data even before the

[1:26:46] issue came up, it was locked down. >> Thank you very much. in in the interest

[1:26:52] of sort of a similar subject but not extending, you know, opening a whole new

[1:26:55] can of worms here. I wonder if maybe next meeting we could uh discuss a

[1:26:59] little bit about other changes to federal funding or federal coordination.

[1:27:03] So, I'd be interested to hear how this bumps into Haida. You mentioned also the

[1:27:07] the lack of availability of of Narcan through federal grants and I DMS

[1:27:12] reimbursement rates are changing through Medicaid, I'm pretty sure. Uh and so I

[1:27:16] think there are a number of things happen. National Fire Academy closed

[1:27:18] down for a while. like some other stuff happen. I'd be interested in in a more

[1:27:22] sort of throughgoing discussion because I think a lot of stuff is federally

[1:27:25] funded at the local level but it comes through a number of different channels.

[1:27:29] We don't really know what that is but you probably do and your staff does.

[1:27:33] » So for next time maybe I'm asking >> yeah just on hide it's so far so good.

[1:27:39] We did see a cut, but um one of the smart things that because we're in the

[1:27:44] Oregon Idaho high it's a that's a consortium

[1:27:48] » all the leadership um the chair and board members I'm still on the other

[1:27:54] board for the financial part but the chair of that executive board come out

[1:27:59] of Idaho which is being a little more friendly about the federal authority.

[1:28:04] So, uh, they're doing the best they can to do it and I think because of the

[1:28:08] issues with >> with fentanel splitting in the country,

[1:28:11] I don't think you'll see a cut there. >> Okay.

[1:28:14] » But yeah, you can hear more about that next time.

[1:28:16] » Absolutely. Yep. I just submitted testimony today, written testimony for

[1:28:19] House Bill 4156 GBT, which we get almost a billion

[1:28:24] dollars a year. That's what it funds our single road program. So, yeah, I can

[1:28:28] certainly update where that's at. >> And I'm sure there are others through

[1:28:31] training and what it is. So, yeah. >> Thank you.

[1:28:34] uh yeah uh I was going to ask I didn't I saw that there wasn't anything in the

[1:28:39] minutes for December and it hasn't been brought up today but uh the strategic

[1:28:43] work plan >> um there hasn't been any mention of that

[1:28:46] since it was created >> yeah let me let me check back on that

[1:28:49] Kayla she's been doing the end of the year city stuff so yeah she did send us

[1:28:55] something but I don't think it's >> um I don't think it's like uh polished

[1:29:02] she's kind of sound asleep a data on it. So, we'll check back and figure out

[1:29:05] where it's at.

[1:29:09] » Is there anything else that anyone needs to address?

[1:29:15] Okay, the next meeting is Wednesday, April 1st. Oh, we're going to have an

[1:29:20] April meeting. Oh, how fun. At the um at the police department at 6 o'clock. If I

[1:29:28] don't have the melon person, I'll do a demo. The other thing too is we'd love

[1:29:32] to show you the the drone program. Um we had a guy of felon suspects. Uh the

[1:29:39] other night um he ran from the police over on this side

[1:29:46] of the river, took all his uh clothes off except for his underwear and crossed

[1:29:50] the river, swam across, and the drone was able to track him through the woods

[1:29:55] and and get him into custody. We have better luck with drones than the goofy

[1:29:59] way of dogs these days. So, so they're not legal, right? They're not legal,

[1:30:05] right? >> No. No.

[1:30:06] » Where's the world's leader?

[1:30:12] CGI, which is >> the all the components are made by China

[1:30:16] and now the feds have told us we can't use them on any federal projects like

[1:30:21] our drug stuff. Our drug teams are fedally funded.

[1:30:24] » You can't use um drones. It's >> interesting.

[1:30:29] » Yeah. And I mean we're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars uh to

[1:30:34] replace those and there's really nothing on the market that's such

[1:30:38] » just a quick note about April first that is also passive. So like I don't know

[1:30:42] anybody like

[1:30:44] » anybody has any concerns about it >> that's

[1:30:50] okay. >> All right. Well the meeting is ajourned.

[1:30:56] » Thank you uh Chris for having me come in. That was

[1:31:00] » Yeah, >> that was informative.

[1:31:04] » Great program. >> Well, and Hillary,

[1:31:09] » oh, she's hitting hard. >> Yeah, she got figured out.

[1:31:16] » I remember first time up. Well, it's kind of a work in progress.

[1:31:31] » Oh, yeah. Sure.

[1:32:01] » Yes. That is so the

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