[1:43] Good evening, everyone.

[1:47] Thank you all for joining us this evening for the city council meeting and public hearings. Alfredo City Council for September 22, 2025.

[1:59] Before we get started, I will note for the record that a couple of items have been deferred. One was withdrawn, actually. The following items, if you came for these were Z-25-07 slash CU-25-11.

[2:17] 5-v-25-20, alpha-redder district places, MP-25-05, CU-25-07, North Wind Summit, View,

[2:32] Vertiport. So those two items have been deferred until October 27. So you just bought

[2:40] yourself some extra time, if those items were what you were interested in this evening.

[2:43] the other item is Z-25-04-V-25-07 made well. The Milton Avenue trace has been withdrawn

[2:55] by the applicant and will not be considered this evening. So, I'll go ahead and call

[3:01] this meeting to order, note for the record, that all members of Council of President of

[3:07] for except for Council and Mitchell who will not be able to join us this evening.

[3:13] And as always, we begin our meetings with Pledge of Allegiance.

[3:17] So if you're willing and able, please stand and join us.

[3:47] So the first items we'll take up will be work session items for those of you that aren't

[3:52] familiar with how we operate.

[3:54] Work session items are not items that City Council will be voting and deciding this evening.

[4:00] they're just an opportunity for our City Council to have a public discussion to get

[4:08] information to inform and helpfully give our staff direction in the future.

[4:14] So we're not going to be voting on anything. It's just we're not allowed to

[4:17] meet in private and talk about what shouldn't shouldn't happen and stuff like

[4:20] that. So we're doing it in public. So all of you can participate in that

[4:25] discussion. So the first work session item this evening will be the

[4:30] World's Will's Park update prior to construction and Director Rogers will

[4:36] be giving the presentation.

[4:40] The City Council is just going to be reviewing in

[4:43] discussion of the construction improvement plans for Will's Park. Director you

[4:48] have.

[4:57] Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, Council. As always, it's a pleasure to be

[5:01] with you here tonight. Since it's been a minute since we last talked about what's getting

[5:07] ready to happen at Will's Park and the Equestrian Center, both Will's Park and the Equestrian

[5:12] Center, we thought it would be good to workshop these two projects tonight so that we're all

[5:18] on the same page because within the next couple of months it's going to be major construction

[5:23] happening throughout Will's Park. And so I think we're all going to get a lot of questions

[5:28] about things, then we're just going to try to bring you up the speed on some things.

[5:33] I'm going to move over to the overhead as we run through these packet information that

[5:40] you might have.

[6:04] It doesn't seem to be working.

[6:05] It was working earlier today.

[6:09] What is it?

[6:12] It's going to be a light film.

[6:24] It is working.

[6:25] Thank you.

[6:26] So, one of the biggest things that's getting ready to happen over at Will's Park is the

[6:51] So, one of the big things that has happened in that Will's park, as we all know, is

[6:56] to replace the middle of Wacky World.

[6:57] Wacky World is a 27, almost 28-year-old wooden playground that has seen its better days,

[7:04] if you will.

[7:05] And so, we're going to be replacing Wacky World as we know with Wacky World next generation.

[7:11] And this is a layout of the Wacky World.

[7:14] It's a little bit bigger than a current wacky world, it's going to have a better sight line,

[7:19] the fences are not going to be wooden pickets, it's going to be the metal fences that you

[7:25] can see through because one of the concerns that parents have is they wanted a line of sight

[7:31] to be able to see what their children are doing when they're playing in the playground.

[7:34] So it will be one way in and one way out that there will be a different type of fence

[7:38] and it'll also be a different type of surface. We're going to have a poured-in-place rubber

[7:42] surface, which is going to make a huge difference for folks that have mobility problems being

[7:48] able to get in and out of whack-a-word and play on whack-a-word.

[7:52] So this is what it looks like.

[7:55] There's a, where we are planning on adding one more shade component over this piece right

[8:00] here.

[8:02] And, but other than that, this is what it's going to look like.

[8:05] A couple of cool ideas is there's a zip line right here.

[8:09] This is for the older kids to play in, and this is for the smaller kids to play on, and there's swings for both age groups.

[8:17] So, we'll move on to the next photograph that I have.

[8:25] This is obviously a bird's eye view of what the playground is going to look like when it's finished, along with what the restrooms are going to look like.

[8:34] It's at the end of the day, it's just a bigger building, but we're increasing the restroom size by 150%.

[8:44] So, be 100% more bathrooms would be able to be used in Wacky World, including a family restroom will be there as well.

[8:53] You can see this area right here is going to be a stormwater feature when Wacky World was first built.

[9:02] There was no thought of, not thought, I should say that.

[9:07] There wasn't enough stormwater done, so we're going to have, and we're having to do that.

[9:13] That leads me to a major portion of my presentation tonight is how many trees we're going to have to take out.

[9:19] So always you can, if you're thinking about, if you were looking today at this same picture,

[9:25] you wouldn't be able to see wacky water in the restroom because it's covered with trees.

[9:31] There are a total of 50 trees coming out of that area, so I want everybody to understand

[9:37] that. We don't want there to be any surprises, and you know, in the next two or three weeks,

[9:42] when the chain cells arrive and those trees start following that, they're coming out.

[9:47] Now, there are, within those 50 trees, only three trees that are specimen trees, only three.

[9:54] And those will be, you know, we're going to replace those trees, but all of the trees

[9:59] are coming out. We're going to replace at least every one of those trees. So we're going to plant more

[10:04] than 50 trees back as we're doing this. But most of the trees are coming out because there's a

[10:10] stormwater knee, but also because they're within the footprint of wacky world. One of the things as

[10:19] we're moving forward we wouldn't want to build playgrounds that have trees in the middle of them

[10:23] because there are things that fall out of trees, limbs that fall,

[10:27] as other as always a safety concern.

[10:30] So between the storm water, safety to concern,

[10:33] and many of the trees are in decline,

[10:37] are in decline, so that's why we're removing the trees.

[10:41] If you want to go out there and see for yourself,

[10:43] every tree that is coming out is marked with a big red X,

[10:46] so you can see for yourself which trees are coming out.

[10:49] And I also do have, I can show it if I need to

[10:54] We have a tree study, so every tree out there was study.

[10:58] It was reviewed by our in-house arborist, as well as an outside firm that came in evaluated to trees and we came to that conclusion that the ones that needed to come out.

[11:09] A couple of other things that you'll notice here, this trail here is a spine that we'll talk about in just a minute, end up in the upper left hand corner.

[11:19] you can see where we're going to put in an additional parking lot for another 72 spaces for parking

[11:25] within Wacky World. It's currently a grass area and we're going to be making that parking lot

[11:30] because one of the different needs we have, if you've been out the Wacky World on the spring

[11:34] Saturday or fall Saturday, you'll know that parking is an issue. They usually park on that, but about half

[11:41] the number of people get the park there because whoever pulls up first decides where everybody

[11:46] part. So we'll be putting in a parking lot on that. A couple other, couple of other

[11:52] pictures that have shown, kind of give you a view of what we're going to be doing there.

[11:56] This one is, if feels one and four, ones on your left, fours on your right, we're looking

[12:04] back at it. There's going to be, we call them little nodules and throughout the park.

[12:10] those nodules will be there for people to gather and to just gather and wait and do those.

[12:20] So, these are the pictures though that I'll just want to make sure everybody understands is

[12:25] this is looking at Wacky World to the left. You can see the restroom almost to your right.

[12:32] You can see the trees are coming out. So, just want everybody to understand that. This is standing

[12:38] within Wacky World and if you look at that tree objectively you realize that tree is leaning really

[12:43] back to the left and it's inside the playground. So those are the ones that are kind of coming out

[12:51] and again another example of what's coming out that are within the playground.

[12:57] And I don't want to keep beating a dead horse but these are the crate murals that are coming out

[13:05] Again, because wacky words are getting bigger and you really don't want great murals next to your playground.

[13:11] Anyway, it's kind of like sweet guns. You don't want them anywhere close to your playground.

[13:15] If you have one in the yard, you know why you don't want it close to the playground.

[13:19] And then this is a better view of the trail and what that was coming out.

[13:24] So, I just want everybody to understand that I'm a parts guy at heart, everybody knows that.

[13:31] And I love trees as much as anybody.

[13:32] and I feel like that. I'm losing some really good old neighbors, but I hate to see them go, but they're leaving no matter what.

[13:43] And so I just want everybody to know that we didn't decide on these trees arbitrarily.

[13:49] They just have to cut my out for us to really meet the level of service that people are expecting us to meet.

[13:56] There's also part of Will's Park is we're going to have gay way entrances on both to each

[14:02] and the west side along with that spine that's going to connect the east and west side.

[14:07] We're going to let people know that we're proud of Will's Park, our downtown flagship

[14:12] park, and give them, give them an interest status as herb.

[14:16] And then in addition to that, we're going to be waggy world, not waggy world, but waggy

[14:24] world is going to get a facelift, improved drainage, a different, a new fence, there's just

[14:32] going to be two areas, a small dog area, and a large dog area, the footprints are going

[14:36] to be the same, but the drainage is going to be greatly improved as well as the amenities,

[14:41] dog friendly, spickets, and pinches, and those kind of things, so that's part of the project

[14:46] as well.

[14:47] So I think that kind of encompasses what we're doing at Wacky World, what we call proper,

[14:52] be glad to answer any questions. You may have that. Have about that before we move on to the

[14:56] questions there.

[15:00] Councilmember Brady. Thank you, Mr. Raju. I understand. I'm there all the time at Will's Park and an understand completely what you're saying. There's a lot of pine trees and there's a lot of those trees that are kind of their end of the life. Like, I mean, they kind of exhaust themselves on another. There's a few that we love to say, but we can't. So, I understand what you're talking about. Would you want to kind of take us a little bit through timelines, maybe don't find for what you're looking at now for construction? What are we looking at?

[15:29] one of the next 12 months or 18 months to start it completed when it would be finished.

[15:35] The last day to play on Wacky World will be Sunday, December the 28th, next Sunday.

[15:41] So we're going to close it at 9 o'clock on Monday morning and start dismantling Wacky World.

[15:47] The construction fence will go up around August the 1st around the whole project.

[15:52] That means Wacky World, the stormwater, and the restrooms will all be construction now.

[15:57] with the anticipation completion date of this whole project somewhere around the first of May in 2026.

[16:05] So they're ready.

[16:07] I can as the company that is doing the work they are gearing up and making sure that they will be able to hit those deadline.

[16:13] So close down somewhere around the end of September and open May somewhere around the first of May in 2026.

[16:26] I think I got some of those dates mistaken.

[16:29] I think so.

[16:30] Did I?

[16:31] I heard December and that really is September and then the other date is October 1st.

[16:38] I heard August.

[16:38] So I did I kind of got I kind of got off because I was saying September and in October

[16:46] I might have thrown December in there because I was listening to Christmas Carol the day

[16:50] for some reason.

[16:52] But so I'll be clear is that September the 28th, everything's that's when the clock starts and they said they're going to be done by May 2026.

[17:02] Okay, I just wanted to make sure I was a little confused myself.

[17:08] Councilman Gerrida.

[17:10] Thank you, Mayor and Merry Christmas, Director Rodgers.

[17:14] Just a question, on the dates that you're outlined in the construction of here, what's going to happen?

[17:22] Is there a communication plan to the community as far as everything you're outlining tonight that we can put out there?

[17:30] Yes, we're aware.

[17:31] Yeah, we've been working close with Deanna in the communications division and we're going to put all that out and we're going to map it all out.

[17:40] Well, there's still a couple of, they're still trying to decide, make sure that they have all the materials before they start in that.

[17:47] But they're pretty confident in that schedule, and we're going to communicate that, and keep it updated, make sure that we keep the information updated as we go along.

[17:59] I just want to compliment you and your staff, and you see the design and what you've accomplished, and there's a lot of work that went into getting to this point, and I know that.

[18:08] So I just want to publicly acknowledge that and thank you and your staff for doing such a great job on behalf of the citizens of Alfredo.

[18:16] Thank you. Well, Alfredo has built a good team and that allows us to get to places like this because it's just not the recreation and parts department.

[18:24] We wouldn't be here without our friends over at public works because they have just done a lion's share of the work that I'm showing here.

[18:32] so it's been a great team and we're all excited about where this is going to take us.

[18:41] Councilman Hyves?

[18:43] Thank you, Mayor.

[18:45] Director Rodgers, a couple of things with respect to the trees being removed, such as the

[18:50] Crate Murdles.

[18:51] I'm going to venture a guess based off my Crate Murdles that 30 years ago, those weren't

[18:57] very big.

[18:58] They were not.

[18:59] So when those were planted one person could have taken probably grabbed the pot and took it and showed where it needed to be planted.

[19:06] So the original designed wacky world had trees planted that have since grown. We're going to plant trees that will later on grow if I understand correctly.

[19:15] Right. And one of the interesting features of this that I'm curious about is it looks

[19:24] like there's going to be additional shade added by these canopies. Now I'm looking at

[19:29] that photo there if you're able to put it up on the screen, people in the audience can

[19:34] see that, is that up? Or can you put that up? I can, I've got it. And if not, it's not

[19:39] a big deal. Oh no I've got it.

[19:45] So it looks like, and I'm thinking this is a great design

[19:50] by whoever the design team is that these canopies are going to provide some relief for our

[19:56] youngsters when they're out on the playground and in the heat of the days. That's not correct.

[20:01] That's correct. Now what do we know about the canopies or the coverings in terms of maintenance?

[20:08] It's just going to be a canvas material.

[20:10] It's just going to be something that's more plastic, or what do we have?

[20:13] It'll be heavy-duty canvas material, which is very similar to any of the shades that

[20:17] we have, particularly if you look at Waters Road Park, or Mid

[20:27] -Brogwell, thank you, Mid-Brogwell

[20:29] Park, where we put the shades up as heavy-duty canvas.

[20:33] It'll have to be replaced anywhere from 8 to 10 years, just kind of dependent on wear

[20:39] and tear.

[20:40] I think if we get 10 years, that'd be a good lifespan.

[20:43] Second thing I wanted to bring up during this work session

[20:48] are the extended parking pads.

[20:51] I pulled up Google Maps, which I don't suppose that we would have,

[20:54] but I see the parking pad between the swimming pool and the existing parking lot.

[21:00] I understand that's going to be one of the areas that's going to be expanded

[21:04] and turned into additional parking.

[21:06] The area that's going to be turned into additional parking is on Old Milton, it's the grass area on Old Milton.

[21:15] We're going to make that.

[21:17] So here's the pool and here's a grass area, absolutely.

[21:22] When you said pool, I was looking south instead of west, so you're right.

[21:27] And the other thing I noticed is as for the existing parking lot,

[21:33] there's a fairly deep grass area between the edge of the parking lot and Old

[21:40] Milton. Is there any plans to provide additional parking into that area? Are

[21:45] we going to keep that as just a really deep buffer? Just a deep buffer. They

[21:49] did look at the possibility of trying to push that out closer to the side wall, but

[21:54] you didn't really pick up. You can't get a whole another row because of the need

[22:00] for, you know, two cars being able to pass. So we looked at that but there was not enough

[22:07] significant parking to cover the cost, if you will, because if we're going to mobilize

[22:13] and have paving contractors, et cetera out there, if there was an opportunity to do more

[22:20] if parking was needed, I wanted to see if that had been looked at.

[22:25] We would have loved to squeeze it out another 20 or 25, but it just wouldn't, just wasn't possible.

[22:31] There's a lot of people in town excited about wacky world, so great job, look forward to it.

[22:35] Thank you.

[22:37] Any other questions?

[22:39] Councilman Dredo?

[22:40] One more question, Director Rogers, could you explain about the bathroom facility and how the facility will close,

[22:48] I will have like monetization on the doors tech from technology

[22:53] Yeah, well will what our plans are right now is for for both of those to have the automated locks systems on us

[23:01] So they'll they'll lock out a particular time as far as I'm going in you can if you're ever you can't get locked in because you can

[23:07] Always get out, but we're also going to have on both of these restrooms is a small glass window up high made of that

[23:17] that real thick glass so that if you ride by late in the evening midnight and that lights

[23:25] on, that means something's moving in there because the lights will be, if nothing there's

[23:30] no movement, the lights will go off.

[23:32] So it'll alert, particularly our public safety folks that there's somebody in the restroom

[23:39] and can check that out.

[23:41] So yeah, that's our plan for the safety aspect.

[23:44] I think it's important. I just wanted to make sure you mention that.

[23:47] Thank you.

[23:51] Does anyone else on council have any feedback to give?

[23:54] Do you want to have any other questions?

[23:57] Director Rogers, do you have enough clarity?

[24:00] I'm sorry.

[24:01] Do you have enough clarity from the work session?

[24:03] I do.

[24:04] I do. We're going to move forward with the project as we have.

[24:08] And we're excited about it.

[24:13] I'm excited to eventually get this thing going.

[24:15] Yes, absolutely.

[24:16] Now there's a lot of people that have been waiting and it has been a very deliberate process

[24:20] to make sure we have good patrons of the tax dollars we've been spending on it.

[24:28] The other work session item is the Will's Park Equestrian Center update.

[24:33] So, director Rogers, if you don't mind updating us on that project.

[24:35] Yeah.

[24:36] I'm bad too.

[24:37] Thank you very much.

[24:38] The other major project in Will's Park is the renovation of the Equestrian Center to bring

[24:44] you have to speed, we have renovated two of the competition arenas already in Wills Park,

[24:50] but we call number one in number three, and the next phase will in large and renovate

[24:59] number arena number two, as well as school in arena number four, we're also going to add

[25:06] a new entrance off of Will's Road to the Barnes R, upgrade the RV hookups there as well.

[25:16] I also have, I can show you this,

[25:24] so this is what, if you're over at the Village Park

[25:30] and you were on one of their nice balconies looking over the street, this is the view you

[25:35] would have. This arena too, that's closest to us. Right now, that is a smaller arena, and

[25:42] it also has that building there that we call the show office is on that. So that's coming

[25:48] out. It's going to be enlarged to the same size as number one and number three. So we'll

[25:53] have three competition arenas. And then here is number four. It's the smaller arena between

[26:01] between number three and the cover arena that you see there.

[26:06] The other photo I have shows what that when you come in what that area is going to look

[26:15] like, there's going to be the welcome area, this is going to be, if you will, the front

[26:20] door of the equestrian center, what that's going to look like, and then

[26:34] same thing applies

[26:35] over at the question center, quite a few trees are going to come out. All of those trees are going to come out

[26:44] because we're going to have to have that whole area there for storm water. Two of our disc golf holes

[26:50] will have to move because we're going to have to drastically improve storm water over there.

[26:56] So those trees are coming out. This is looking back. That row of trees is also coming out.

[27:04] And that's on the, that would be the south side of the, of the park.

[27:10] And then one everybody, this is the one that I think is probably the most important is

[27:14] that this row of memorial trees will have to come out.

[27:18] But our plan is, we got, we got two, kind of a two phase plan.

[27:22] One of them we're going to try to see if we can, these trees are not that big, we're going

[27:26] to try to stay these trees and move them.

[27:28] If we don't, then we're going to plant back the same kind of tree that we take out.

[27:33] But we have to we need that space

[27:36] To make so that the arena can get enlarged and we can keep that trail

[27:41] Between the parking lot and the arena

[27:44] All of that all of those trees will be moved up to the

[27:48] far end

[27:49] of the of Will's park

[27:52] So the trees will be planted along

[27:55] the nor the highway north end if you will of that green area

[28:00] That's where the memorial trees have been moved

[28:08] That's, that's just an update on that because I didn't answer any questions.

[28:11] You may have about this project as well.

[28:13] Councilman Brady?

[28:15] Yeah, I guess the sensitive you really is the memorial tree.

[28:18] So I just kind of want to ask you, I know there's plaques out there for families of stuff like that.

[28:22] And they understand, kind of, yeah, but what's going to be your process of, like,

[28:26] notifying them or do we kind of, what do we do to help?

[28:28] Yeah, well, we're trying to find records for those memorials were, were installed.

[28:34] We haven't been able to find all that.

[28:35] And but the ones that we have we've reached out to and to make sure they know what we're doing

[28:39] Now let them know that we are going to attempt to like I said spade the tree and if we can't then we will plant that same tree in the

[28:45] Location so we understand that that's significant to those individuals and I think you can see there's probably about 10 along there

[28:56] Also just want to applaud you a little bit on your your use of impervious kind of the stones in this area in the question

[29:02] First of all, it goes with the question, it goes very well, but we don't have to pave

[29:05] everything.

[29:06] I think you can drop off areas and all that.

[29:08] I think it works really, really well with the stones and more you can encourage that

[29:11] around this area.

[29:12] I think aesthetically, it looks better, and it's also much better for our storm water impact

[29:16] in that area also.

[29:17] So thank you so much for your time.

[29:18] Thank you.

[29:21] Councilman Duret.

[29:23] Yeah, just, I just started to acknowledge that the current work that's been done over the

[29:27] question center is just absolutely top shelf and beautiful. It really has put

[29:34] Alfredo in the limelight as far as your question and competition and things

[29:42] which is really part of the history of Alfredo. I also want to recognize

[29:47] Shell Sims who's the president of the foundation board and the board and

[29:50] themselves for the partnership that they've created with the city and thank

[29:54] the voters for supporting the bonds that we're contributing here to make this happen this is going to be

[30:00] We are going to be an unbelievable, beautiful facility at completion and we are going to be pretty proud of this when this is all done. So thank you to you and your staff once again for all your hard work behind us.

[30:13] Councilman Hypes, is there anything you'd like to ask?

[30:17] There are four, Tim.

[30:19] So Morgan, I spent a lot of time over there.

[30:22] My kids were younger at the Equestrian Center with my daughter, actually.

[30:27] But the main question I have is trying to understand

[30:31] what these pictures are to what exists there now.

[30:35] Like this circle where you've got the drop-off.

[30:38] off. Um, uh, where is that? It's

[30:42] there now is this following the

[30:46] design. I meant yesterday back up,

[30:47] I can explain it better by looking

[30:49] at the picture. Um, so to, to, uh,

[30:55] so that's the that's the

[30:57] concession stand that is straight

[30:58] ahead. Okay. So round one or the

[31:03] metal one. What's this one is a

[31:05] concession stand that's there right

[31:07] now. The lock one. So it's going

[31:09] to be graded. Oh, yeah, it'll be graded. We're going to grade that down. And then the we're going to cut

[31:16] off we're going to cut off traffic going up there. So you're not going to be able right now you can

[31:20] drive straight up here and go there. So we're going to cut traffic off here. And with the new

[31:26] entrance, it's just going to be able to come around and go to the back. So the entrance is coming in

[31:29] down at that end of the parking. Yes. Between the between the community garden and where that

[31:37] That where that small Dirt Arena is, that's going to come in right there.

[31:43] So what will happen during a horse show is that this entrance, the new entrance will

[31:48] be the only way in and out as we're going to, when the competition's closed, we're going

[31:53] to close this off because this is where all the horses and the people are walking.

[31:57] Right.

[31:57] So it gives us that ability to keep the traffic, keep cars separated from horses and people.

[32:03] Because if there is an issue, if there is one big issue, it's that sometimes they're

[32:09] in competition with each other over at Will's Park.

[32:12] So this gives us that ability before for people to drop off, but then after it's going

[32:16] to be closed out, and this will treat this as a promenade area, if you will, and people

[32:20] will be able to walk freely.

[32:22] Thank you.

[32:23] It would be a huge, huge upgrade for the question, sir.

[32:26] Thank you for explaining that, because the TOPO is much different now.

[32:31] Yes, it is.

[32:32] That much.

[32:32] The fact that it was level threw me off because there's usually about a 12-foot drop from

[32:37] the concession stand.

[32:38] Yeah, it might not be part of that.

[32:39] That's why this level is a picture showing it, but it's going to be close.

[32:42] But there's a good bit of area between there and the concession stand, so I think one of

[32:49] the things that staff is most excited about is the new flow that the Equestrian Center

[32:55] is going to have is that we're not going to, we're not going to, certainly, need to compete

[32:58] with with cars and and the big horse trailers that are now you know 35 and 40 foot long so we're we've

[33:08] got a plan for them to go in the back and stay stay back there okay thank you that helped me get

[33:13] my bearings I just absolutely could not figure out where that was on the site there but the site

[33:18] doesn't look like that eventually okay thank you no one else has any feedback for questions

[33:25] Director Rogers, thank you very much.

[33:28] On your direction.

[33:29] Thank you.

[33:30] You and your team.

[33:34] That will wrap up the work session items for this evening.

[33:38] Move on to the consent agenda.

[33:40] The first item on the consent agenda is the city council meeting minutes from the meeting of September 8th, 2025.

[33:48] The ratification of a new national opioid settlement.

[33:52] The Financial Management Report for the month ending July 31, 2025, the Consent Order and Final Judgment for coming street, parcel 9, and the Public Accesses Management Agreement with Doug Wood Square.

[34:12] Is there anyone from council that would like to remove anything from the Consent Agenda?

[34:18] Mischiefior, do we have any public comment cards on this item?

[34:20] We do not, Mr. Mayor.

[34:23] However, any more in the light to come forward and speak on the consent agenda, now's your chance.

[34:28] I see no one coming forward, so we'll close public comment.

[34:32] Do I have a motion?

[34:37] So move.

[34:40] We have a motion by Mayor Pro. Tim Merkel, second by Councilman Brady.

[34:45] Any discussion?

[34:47] All those in favor of the motion to approve the consent agenda, please vote yes.

[34:54] And it does pass unanimously.

[35:02] Now, we'll move on to the public hearing portion of tonight's meeting.

[35:07] Is S1 before I begin, would you mind announcing the public hearing procedures?

[35:14] An individual requesting to be heard on a matter related to the purpose of the hearing

[35:17] must be recognized by the mayor before addressing the city council.

[35:21] Upon rising to speak, the speaker must identify himself or herself and furnish a home or business

[35:25] address before proceeding with any comments or remarks.

[35:28] The council will allow the proponents a total of 10 minutes to speak in support of an application.

[35:32] Opponents will be allowed 10 minutes to speak in opposition.

[35:36] Comments are accepted first from the applicant followed by person speaking in favor and then from those in opposition.

[35:41] Upon conclusion of any opposing comments or presentations, the mayor will allow the applicant to offer a buttole.

[35:46] If any time is remaining in the originally allotted 10 minutes.

[35:53] Thank you very much.

[35:54] So the first item on our public hearing agenda this evening is CU-25-14, image studios,

[36:03] windward master plan, pod 4.

[36:06] To write a cook, I believe you have this item.

[36:14] Good evening, Marin Council.

[36:16] The next item, the applicant, is requesting a conditional use to allow spa service business

[36:23] to operate in image studios, which will occupy 8,304 square-foot suite at the

[36:31] terraces at Winward Shopping Center. They lease suites there with just a

[36:36] variety of different beauty health and wellness personal service providers.

[36:41] The applicant requests the fall-outie contouring, lymphatic drainage,

[36:45] acupuncture, facials, hydrotherapy, school sculpting, and cellulite removal.

[36:51] Properties located at 30, 70, whenward plaza, suite T and U. At the property is zoned CUP.

[37:01] It's subject to the whenward master plan, pod 4, which is designated as commercial

[37:06] spa services was previously added to pod 4 with the approval of a master plan amendment

[37:11] conditionally used for a spa called Hanna Day Spa in 2013, and that business has closed.

[37:18] And I'll show you, within the one-word terraces,

[37:23] it's located within this building, in particular,

[37:26] in the middle of that building.

[37:34] So the previous spa services has closed,

[37:37] and the Comprehensive Land Use Plan

[37:39] Dexas Nation of the Property is Commercial,

[37:41] which supports the applicants request.

[37:44] And Image Studios leases suites to cosmetologists,

[37:47] hairstyles, estheticians, and other similar personal service providers.

[37:52] So they have 40 suites, so there will only be a limited area that will be used for spa services.

[37:59] Hours of operation for the business are Monday through Sunday, 8 to 9 p.m.

[38:06] And I'll show you where we have other spas that have been permitted conditional uses within

[38:11] the city.

[38:12] And you can see looking at this area here, it's actually when we're plaza here, so there's

[38:18] not a spa that's located, meets the distance requirements

[38:22] from the closest other approved spa.

[38:26] So the blue and the orange are the spa services.

[38:30] And the area we're looking at this evening

[38:33] is here within the Windward Master Plan.

[38:36] We reviewed the applicant's proposal

[38:38] against the review criteria for our conditional use.

[38:41] And the proposed use to would complement

[38:43] the beauty service offered at the applicant's business.

[38:46] If approved, we do have conditions that we're recommending that would regulate and limit

[38:51] an expansion of services as well as signage.

[38:56] They also, of course, had to participate in the citizen participation plan.

[39:00] They did mail letters.

[39:02] The report states that no comments were received.

[39:05] The applicant provided several letters of support from other tenants within the terraces

[39:10] at Winward Shopping Center.

[39:12] And this item was considered at the September 4th planning commission meeting.

[39:17] There were no public comments and after discussion, the commission did recommend approval unanimously

[39:23] 7-0 vote.

[39:26] And of course, we're recommending, the planning commission is recommending approval and

[39:29] there's five conditions that are recommended.

[39:33] And I'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have.

[39:38] Do we have any questions for Dr. Coat?

[39:44] Thank you, ma'am.

[39:45] Would

[39:52] the applicant like to come forward at this time?

[40:11] Put them in the mirror and council members.

[40:14] My name is Oya Delay, all I did you.

[40:16] Business address 3070, Windward Plaza, sweet T and U.

[40:21] And I also reside in Alpharetta, 6-100,

[40:24] Walla-Lily Drive.

[40:25] I have resided in Alpharetta for about 17 or 18 years now.

[40:30] You have 10 minutes.

[40:32] I do.

[40:33] Oh, I have to advocate for your project.

[40:36] And really, I'm happy to take any questions, but this is an investment opportunity.

[40:44] Image studio is a national brand, it's a franchise operation, offering salon suite, modern

[40:52] off-skill salon suite, providing space for entrepreneurs in the beauty, health and wellness spaces.

[41:02] construction has been underway now for the better part of the last four months. I'm expecting

[41:07] a certificate of occupancy by the end of the week, hopefully. And as I have the market

[41:15] in these two prospects, there are a number of them that offer services that require the

[41:22] spa conditional use, hence the application. And so I think it complements the range of

[41:29] services that we're looking to provide across beauty, health and wellness, and I am suddenly

[41:36] craving your indulgence, your permission, and your approval of my request.

[41:42] I would take any questions.

[41:45] Do we have any questions for the applicant?

[41:49] Councilman Hypes.

[41:53] Mr. Aulataji.

[41:54] Yes.

[41:57] I was interested in your operation. What types of services do you provide other than

[42:06] the massage services? By far, a majority of the services, well, it varies from location to

[42:13] location. I happen to also have an existing location in John's Creek, the city of John's Creek,

[42:18] and another in the city of Roswell. And the service is very from location to location,

[42:23] but the biggest will be hairstylist is the population most represented, but he also have nail

[42:30] tags which is, you know, pedicure, manicure, head spa, foot spa, eye covering services.

[42:39] In one of my locations in Janskrik, actually, other dentists who also, you know, was read

[42:44] in the space and doing teeth whitening and straightening in that location, I am not enough

[42:55] there's also tattooed copies, there's waxing, there's met smell,

[43:02] botox injections, there's a variety of services provided.

[43:06] In the facility does it do hair salon and haircuts for guys and gals, but children and adults,

[43:17] correct.

[43:24] And if I understand that it wasn't part of your presentation about

[43:28] reading about image, and I don't know if it was in the packet or not, this is your

[43:32] third franchise location? Yes, correct.

[43:37] Who does the on-site, who provides

[43:41] oversight that in each of your three locations? When you say oversight, they do not

[43:48] necessarily require a permanent person on-site because I have managed access

[43:53] that is provided to all of the professionals.

[43:56] They work independently.

[43:58] They are not my employees.

[43:59] They rent space for me.

[44:01] And so through the card access that they have,

[44:03] they enter the space and they conduct business.

[44:06] I am in those premises multiple times a week

[44:10] just to make sure things are running well,

[44:14] take care of any needs or requests that they may have,

[44:17] and certainly observe and make sure

[44:20] again everything is going well.

[44:22] I also have security cameras, primarily for just deterrence or any kind of, you know,

[44:31] just providing the level of safety, right, because by far the majority of the population

[44:36] that rent from me and that also comforts services is heavily female, right,

[44:41] so I want to make sure I'm providing a really secure environment for that.

[44:44] So, do you yourself hold a massage therapy license?

[44:50] No, I do not.

[45:00] The people that will be working at this location, they're going to be tenants of yours. Is that correct? Yes, they will be and they are required to have not only an operator business license, but also the appropriate licenses from the state of Georgia, whether it's Cosmetology or Massage or whatever the appropriate licenses are. I require that before they can execute the leads. So looking at the packet here, I see that the overall premises is 8,344.

[45:30] square feet. And in there, in that amount, you can have up to 4,000 square feet of rented

[45:37] stalls, booths, whatever the case may be, to massage therapists.

[45:46] How many different

[45:47] independent contractors do you think you will be employing?

[45:51] There are 40 suites. I mean, it is not inconceivable that some take more than one suite. The maximum

[46:01] one would be 40. So there could be 40 independent operators that are massage therapists.

[46:08] It could be 40 independent operators under no circumstances. Would I promote or even

[46:16] allow that all of them will be massage therapies because it is completely contradictory to my

[46:23] selling point, which is a collective of beauty, health and wellness professionals. The blend

[46:29] of services I think it's a key appeal and selling point for the growth so if it's just massage I

[46:36] think it's completely the purpose of what I'm trying to do. Thank you. Do we have any other

[46:43] questions for the applicant?

[46:47] Thank you very much. Thank you. Mishapiro do we have any public comment

[46:52] cards on this item? We have none in favor or in opposition of this item. However if there is anyone

[46:59] one that is in opposition as your opportunity to come forward.

[47:04] I do not see anyone coming forward, so we'll close public comment for the opposition.

[47:10] Is there anyone who would like to come forward and speak in favor of this item?

[47:15] I also see no one coming forward, so we'll close public comment.

[47:18] Do I have a motion from council?

[47:20] Yes, Mr. Mayor, it offers a motion this evening to approve CU-25-14 image studios.

[47:27] those Windward MP pod floor as presented to us this evening.

[47:30] Second.

[47:32] We have the motion to approve by Mayor Pro Tem Markle,

[47:36] second by Councilman Dorida.

[47:38] Any discussion?

[47:40] Councilman Hypes.

[47:43] Yeah, I'm always appreciate folks who want to bring

[47:48] their business to Alphoretta.

[47:51] I'm troubled by this particular application

[47:53] with the condition number two that this use is limited to image studios because it's a limited use to a landlord whereas the tenants are providing the thing that we're actually providing the use for.

[48:12] I mean, this is going to be an environment with kids and adults.

[48:18] it's going to be an environment with a lot of different folks who are tenants and independent

[48:23] contractors providing the massage therapy and it's going to be an environment where the

[48:29] landlord owner of the business does not have a massage therapist's license and so when

[48:37] things are going appropriately or inappropriately as the case may be, I would have preferred that

[48:44] somebody have an understanding of what's required of a massage therapist and what isn't per

[48:51] license and so I'm going to be voting according to I'm going to be voting according to how

[48:58] treble I am by the application so I just want you to know.

[49:03] Any other discussion?

[49:07] Well I'll just note for the record that I certainly understand your concerns however I know my

[49:13] My wife uses a facility similar to that here in Alphoretta, and if I recall, we actually

[49:21] had to allow that facility to provide massage over the last couple of years.

[49:28] I think we had that decision that they were having, bringing in one of the vendors that

[49:33] would do that.

[49:34] So,

[49:36] I trust our code enforcement to make things, make sure things are done well in our public

[49:42] safety department.

[49:43] And I have a tremendous amount of confidence that a business that's been successful in John's

[49:50] Creek is it seems to have been or continue to be successful now for rather.

[49:55] Now being said, all of those in favor of approving the motion, please vote yes, otherwise

[50:02] but accordingly,

[50:06] and the motion does pass for one.

[50:10] Congratulations, sir.

[50:11] So

[50:17] the next item up is PH-25-14, Spirit of God Church, Change of Condition.

[50:26] Director Cook, once again you have the floor.

[50:44] We are in council. The next item is shown to you hatched on the screen.

[50:49] And the applicant is requesting changes to conditions of zoning related to a conditional use approved to allow a church.

[50:55] For Spirit of God, Christian Church on 2.92 acres, the applicant requests changes to conditions

[51:03] related to the site layout, building design, retaining walls, and tree removal.

[51:09] Property is located at 1200 Upper Embry Road at the northeast corner of Upper Embry Road

[51:14] and Harris Road.

[51:16] The property is owned, oh and I, to the north, is R10, to the west, is R15.

[51:23] I think this was just a couple of years ago, this was split into three different lots.

[51:28] To the south was the old farm harries market, which was rezoned from PSC to the R8AD, and

[51:37] then to the East as OP.

[51:40] The applicant is requesting changes to conditions of zoning, which was related to their previous

[51:45] approval for a conditional use that was approved in 2020.

[51:49] 20. Back in 2020, and I'll show you the site plan in just a minute, but they were approved

[51:55] for as a conditional use for the church, but they had a site plan that didn't fit all

[52:00] of the parking on their property. So what they're coming forward with is to change the conditions

[52:06] which tied it to a site plan that didn't meet all of the parking. So it was the council had approved

[52:14] it but said they would be required to meet all the parking on-site. So they're

[52:20] looking to change a couple of conditions in order to meet that approval.

[52:26] Previous condition 2, which was property shall be developed substantially

[52:30] similar to plans and they're just changing the date, updating it to the new

[52:35] site plan, which meets the parking.

[52:44] Building shall be primarily brick or stone on

[52:46] three sides with a gable roof and compatible with the residential

[52:50] character of the area as approved by DRB. So staff had recommended that there

[52:55] be a gable roof for the new architecture because right now it's this is what

[53:03] it looks like. So it's still residential house they haven't made the

[53:07] improvement since 2020. And so we had a condition that said new construction

[53:12] should be residential and nature, have a gable roof, they are requesting that condition

[53:17] to change in order to approve this elevation, which should be within your packet and

[53:23] I'll show you the side of that also.

[53:28] So it's brick and stone, but it has the flat roof, which we consider a contemporary architecture.

[53:36] They're also looking to change condition 10, which said retaining walls visible from the

[53:40] Street shall be decorative as approved by DRB and then the part they're looking to

[53:47] change is the last retaining walls visible from off site shall not exceed 11 feet in height.

[53:54] So I'll go over the site plan and you'll see where they're showing the retaining walls.

[54:01] So this is Harris Road, this is Upper Embry, the new building, less than the allowed square

[54:08] footage that they're requesting a little over 14,000 square feet in the middle.

[54:14] And then they still have the required 50 foot undisturbed buffer, the undisturbed buffer

[54:19] of course is required here adjacent to the existing residential property.

[54:25] They do meet the parking requirement, in fact they exceed the parking requirement.

[54:31] For the size of the church and 170 personers that they plan, they would be required to

[54:38] have 85 parking spaces. They actually have 16 extra 101 parking spaces on site. So they

[54:46] do they meet and exceed the required parking. They do have tree save along Harris Road which

[54:53] was an important to staff as well as the surrounding residents when we were went through the

[55:00] conditional use in 2020. Because when you're going into Harris Road of course you're entering

[55:05] into the residential street, so they have the tree save here as well as the 50-foot buffer.

[55:12] They did have a previous condition of zoning that requested that they attempt to tie in

[55:19] the stormwater runoff into the residential area that's located to the north.

[55:26] If the residents accepted and wanted that tie in, they did go and talk to-

[55:35] a few of the neighbors who were not interested because if you extend that stormwater pipe it's just

[55:43] going to remove too many trees through that 50 foot undisturbed buffer and I'll show you also I

[55:48] think it helps to look at the old plan from 2020 so here's the old plan from 2020 they did not meet

[55:57] the required parking on site they had requested a variance in order to be able to share parking

[56:04] with the property owners to the east, and so they had trees that were saved, more trees

[56:10] on the east side, but in order to meet the required parking,

[56:18] that tree-saveria is removed.

[56:21] So they keep the tree-saveria along Harris as well as the 50-foot buffer.

[56:27] So that's the reason for the other condition that they're looking to change, which is 15.

[56:32] It's because they need to meet the required parking.

[56:37] They do meet the required landscape strips and staff reviewed the applicant's proposal

[56:43] for the changes in order to meet the parking.

[56:47] The changes are necessary to provide the parking on site.

[56:51] So they're supported.

[56:53] However, we do not support the request to change condition number five regarding the more

[56:58] contemporary architecture.

[57:00] and development along Upper Henry Road in the past has required buildings that are residential

[57:06] and character. And I did get a picture of the building beside of it. This is of course

[57:11] to the east. It's hard to see, but I think you can see it has the gabled roofs. Of course,

[57:16] this has been built many years ago with the parking along the front.

[57:25] The applicant did

[57:26] notifies surrounding property owners within 500 feet.

[57:30] The report states that a public comment was received regarding the size of the church

[57:35] being larger than originally intended, and we did receive an email regarding the traffic

[57:41] as well as the current maintenance of the property.

[57:44] Some of the surrounding residents were upset about that it wasn't currently being maintained,

[57:50] And then we also again have the statement about the original request in 2020 was for a smaller church.

[58:00] We went back through those notes, went back through the minutes, and that original application was for a request for 250 attendees.

[58:09] So this is actually with the recommended conditions we have, we're recommending that they're capped at 170.

[58:15] 70, so this would actually be a reduction from the original request.

[58:22] We're recommending approval of pH 25-14, Spirit of God Church, change of condition, subject

[58:29] to several conditions, and if you look in the staff report, the conditions that were changed,

[58:35] they're shown to you in red, and just looking at that number one, we added a cap of

[58:45] no more than 170 seats.

[58:49] Number two, we just changed it to meet their current site plan.

[58:56] And then 10, regarding the retaining walls,

[59:01] if they're visible, they have to be decorative, approved by DRB

[59:07] and maximum height.

[59:11] And then 15, tree-save areas shall be as depicted on the plan

[59:15] and prepared that my foresight group revised 81325,

[59:19] which is what is shown here

[59:21] and that's in order to meet the parking.

[59:24] But if you have any questions, I'll be glad.

[59:26] Try to answer those.

[59:29] Do we have any questions?

[59:31] Councilman Brady?

[59:35] I think there's not a first time.

[59:37] I think we've seen a situation like this in Alfredo

[59:39] and I'll be sensitive because I know there's a faith base

[59:43] and there's a congregation behind this,

[59:44] but this is more of a land,

[59:46] kind of use the discussion.

[59:49] We have an entry of an application that always comes in and says we're living to a certain size, we're going to limit to a certain scope, a certain amount of time goes by and it's like well, no, we're going to build something significant.

[1:00:18] So, what's the height of that? Is there height max to go up to level 4 level? No, it's 40 foot. It's a 40 foot max. And the elevation, if you look, they go up.

[1:00:29] We do have a height shown, which is 42 feet.

[1:00:33] So if you approve this elevation, they would have to meet the 40.

[1:00:38] So it's shown 42, but the maximum height in ONI is 40 feet.

[1:00:44] And with staff government, that design and that design aesthetics and quality.

[1:00:49] The design will go to DRB.

[1:00:53] It is under DRB.

[1:00:55] Yes.

[1:00:56] Okay.

[1:00:57] All right.

[1:00:57] Thank you.

[1:00:58] I'm just cautioned about, it just keeps coming back, keeps getting bigger and bigger and

[1:01:02] then we have this conversation and we can't live in size, we can't do this, this won't

[1:01:05] be really sensitive and more aggressive or make sure agreements were made upon the initial

[1:01:12] purchase of the land and the purchase kind of piece will make sure we maintain the agreements

[1:01:17] that we had to begin with.

[1:01:18] And the difference is when you measure height, when it's a modern flat roof, you can go 40 feet

[1:01:24] to the top.

[1:01:25] If you have a gable roof it would be a little taller because you measure from the the middle basically of that gable so

[1:01:35] Our recommendation though to begin with was more of a residential and character

[1:01:42] Church but the request is for the flat roof on

[1:01:46] They just and just just questions out of curiosity inside as their commercial kitchens or anything like that

[1:01:50] as you're just mostly natural congregation with offices or with the use inside the building.

[1:01:55] Would that just be a congregation that was going to be school activities or extra kind

[1:01:59] of after school, all those expansion of services?

[1:02:02] So they're not approved for a school.

[1:02:05] It's limited to Sunday worship service, weekday Bible study, administrative office,

[1:02:11] and occasional church-related services such as wedding, baptisms, funerals, or similar.

[1:02:17] I and then residential use is prohibited so to have it to have an actual school

[1:02:24] You would they would have to have additional approvals. They probably will have a small kitchen as part of

[1:02:30] The plan okay great. Thank you so much

[1:02:37] Any other questions for Dr.

[1:02:39] Pro Temp

[1:02:40] All right, well, you got this picture up here. Just so we're all on the same page. This is not going to be built this way

[1:02:46] This is what they're requesting to build this architecture based on the conditions and your recommendations in those conditions say this does not fit.

[1:02:55] Correct. Just want to know that right.

[1:02:58] We were in agreement with the other requests except for the architecture.

[1:03:06] Councilman Dorita.

[1:03:07] Yes. I was going to ask the same question.

[1:03:09] So who's asked already.

[1:03:10] Thank you.

[1:03:13] Any other questions.

[1:03:16] I do recall this zoning, and I remember that there was a lot of discussion about this

[1:03:25] project because even then it was surrounded by a lot of residents that were not happy

[1:03:32] about making that a commercial.

[1:03:34] So it was originally a residential when they came for the first zoning, correct?

[1:03:42] No, it was a conditional use. It was already zoned, oh and I, so it was just

[1:03:48] it was it actively a business? No, so it was it was zoned, oh and I but it was

[1:03:53] still just a being used residential, it was a previous and then go back

[1:03:59] before the 2020, but I do have that file. I can see how it was zoned, oh and I

[1:04:04] previously, but in 2020 it was just the request for the conditional use. So at some

[1:04:10] At some point it was a residence, it was still being lived in, and somebody re-zoned it

[1:04:14] to Owen I because I wanted to do a commercial project there.

[1:04:18] Yeah, and a lot of these areas were annexed, and so they were annexed, different pocket areas,

[1:04:25] and we had to accept the zoning that was placed on it by Fulton County, but I'd have to do

[1:04:30] a little more research to see when it became Owen I.

[1:04:35] I was just trying to sort through it, it's been several years.

[1:04:38] I just remember that we struggled with it because it was so out of tune with the residential

[1:04:45] around it.

[1:04:46] I know we've added a great deal of a residential across the street.

[1:04:50] It used to be as the harries, and now we've got a subdivision going in across the street

[1:04:55] as well.

[1:04:57] Okay.

[1:04:58] Thank you.

[1:04:59] Yes.

[1:05:01] If there are no other questions, thank you very much, Director Cook, with the app you might

[1:05:07] come forward.

[1:05:36] Okay, there we go. All right. Good evening, Mayor and City Council. My name is

[1:05:41] Pastor Randall Knighton. My address is 71-97 Bill Chris Drive. John Screet, Georgia 300-097.

[1:05:48] I'm the pastor of Spirit of God, Christian Church. Also with me is Jack Johnson, who is with

[1:05:53] four-site crews who designed the site plan that was shown as well, and then the architects

[1:06:00] for the modern architecture, William Murphy, and he's going to kill me.

[1:06:07] Jim is here tonight, as well.

[1:06:11] I do want to present, in regards to that, I think the staff, I first do want to thank the

[1:06:16] staff for working with us from our last appearance in 2020.

[1:06:20] We are a church. We've been in Alfa Reda for 21, going on 22 years in February. We've

[1:06:26] been a good neighbor. We've been a great civil organization, I believe. On this property,

[1:06:31] we were, zone, it was conditionally used permit to put a church there. We had a larger

[1:06:37] design when we came in 2020. But things have changed, and so our design has been reduced,

[1:06:42] which also allowed us to meet the conditions for onsite parking in regards to the modern

[1:06:50] architecture which I think is the only thing that the staff has issued with or it's not

[1:06:56] because it gave a roof and more residential is just just just fits who we are. I know Tesla's

[1:07:04] down the street from us and I know we're surrounded by houses but it's more of if I may say I went to

[1:07:11] prom in 1983. I wore a big tuxedo, you know, with the big ties and a big fluffy ruffles.

[1:07:18] Some of the guys wore powder blue, but that was 1983. When I looked at my nephews, Milton

[1:07:23] High School, they go to prom now, sleek suits, very modern. They look very good because it's

[1:07:29] 2025. Our simple request on this is that the design that we're requesting fits who we are

[1:07:36] as a church in 2025 and it is a building that still is not horrible or anything like that

[1:07:44] and I don't think it's an eye sore any way you shape or form but it will still be functional

[1:07:48] for us.

[1:07:52] Are there any other questions or?

[1:07:54] We have any questions for the applicant, Councilman Drurydo.

[1:07:59] Welcome, Pastor.

[1:07:59] Yes.

[1:08:00] Appreciate what you do in the faith community.

[1:08:03] It's very important.

[1:08:03] And do you have a picture of the rendering because the only picture I have in my packet

[1:08:11] is the flat roof deals.

[1:08:15] And I know there's references to two revised plans and four-side group, one from August

[1:08:23] 1325 and I guess,

[1:08:27] two and 20 of the 25, unless it's the same rendering to stop data.

[1:08:32] with the original approval. Do you have a rendition of what I do believe yeah

[1:08:38] church was going to I don't know if you have I have one on my

[1:08:44] just yeah just one

[1:08:47] that was approved back in 2020 we didn't approve one back in 2020 they they

[1:08:57] actually submitted something similar sorry back in 2022 that was contemporary

[1:09:03] and that's why we put the condition.

[1:09:05] So we haven't seen one that's more residential

[1:09:09] and nature that we're requesting.

[1:09:13] Okay, and Pastor, could you confirm

[1:09:16] that the 170 is what you are actually looking for

[1:09:23] in the next of 170 or?

[1:09:24] Yeah, well, why go from 220 to 170 I guess is my question?

[1:09:28] Well, we've changed, we reduced the size of the building.

[1:09:31] So the building was much larger, and so it had the 220 or whatever that original number was.

[1:09:38] One of the things we wanted to make sure we did was to meet the parking to seat requirements.

[1:09:43] So that's one of the reasons why we even wanted to exceed because in the event that there was growth

[1:09:48] that even if we went to 200, we would still meet within that.

[1:09:52] So the 170 is what is comfortable and what settles for us at this point.

[1:09:57] and we made sure that we did exceed the parking ratios.

[1:10:01] What's your number of kind of congregants now at the church?

[1:10:06] Probably on Sundays when we meet,

[1:10:08] it's probably about 125 people, maybe.

[1:10:12] Thank you, Pastor.

[1:10:16] Any other questions for the applicant?

[1:10:21] So, if you could refresh my memory,

[1:10:26] where is your current location?

[1:10:27] The current location is we are meeting at the double tree hotel in Roswell.

[1:10:36] So and I'm just asking, I think several of us have concerns about the design without

[1:10:45] knowing what that design looks like.

[1:10:48] It's going to make it a challenge, I think, for me personally, I'm curious would you be willing

[1:10:53] to accept some kind of condition that it had to be approved other than the

[1:11:02] DRB? Oh yeah, sure, and that would now would that condition be that we had to

[1:11:10] have the gay will roof or that whatever we presented had to be approved by

[1:11:14] let's say to council and DRB. I'm just speaking on behalf of me because I so I can't

[1:11:21] really answer that for you? I just know that what we're looking at right now doesn't

[1:11:29] really look attractive. Even as far as the roof is concerned, because I think that's

[1:11:35] more kind of from the heart of the architecture period. Right, okay. As in, I'm not trying

[1:11:41] to make a decision on what your building should look like. I just know that with the concerns

[1:11:48] we have, and we struggled over the original zoning to begin with, that if we felt comfortable

[1:11:55] with what it's going to look like, okay, gable or not, but I think most of us would like

[1:12:01] to have something a little more traditional for that area that doesn't stick out like a

[1:12:07] sore thumb.

[1:12:08] All right.

[1:12:09] And I think what might be appearing is the color from the printer versus the just the

[1:12:15] earth tones that look like the structure there, is it just a roof and just the fact that

[1:12:22] it's a modern building?

[1:12:24] I just don't think it's very consistent with what's around it.

[1:12:28] Okay.

[1:12:29] What is currently there?

[1:12:32] I was just asking.

[1:12:34] Yes.

[1:12:34] I mean, obviously, we would adhere to whatever conditions and approval that would be required

[1:12:42] in regards to that. Again, you know, if we're going to come back to the council, I was always told

[1:12:47] just ask for what you want, right? Oh, I know. I appreciate you coming forward with what you're

[1:12:54] looking for. Right. No problem with that. I just like I said, I always try to find some way that

[1:12:59] it's a win-win. Yes. And I was just curious about that particular item. Yeah, yeah. So my answer

[1:13:04] today is yes. Yes, we would certainly be okay with conditions put up on it on approval.

[1:13:15] I do not have any in favor at this time.

[1:13:20] However, if there's anyone that would like to come and speak in favor of the item and has your chance to do so.

[1:13:27] I see no one so we'll close public comment.

[1:13:30] We do have someone.

[1:13:38] So if you don't mind just please state.

[1:13:41] Please state your name and address for the record.

[1:13:45] My name is Jim Mock.

[1:13:47] I live at 215 West Cherokee Road in Carter'sville, Georgia.

[1:13:55] I'm the architect that did that flat roof.

[1:14:00] And my question is, I think the program, I mean, the building because of the materials

[1:14:06] lands itself to residential, their soft bricks, it's it's earthy. My question would be,

[1:14:18] can we mix a gable in the center and have a flat with a decorative freeze on the sides?

[1:14:30] Would that be something that is, would fit in in your opinion?

[1:14:39] In my opinion, I'm not going to sit here and try to design the building that I'm not

[1:14:46] going to do.

[1:14:46] So I'm trying to find out where our boundaries are, is it a total?

[1:14:53] There are boundaries at this point.

[1:14:55] Okay.

[1:14:56] Like I said, you're just asking for something.

[1:15:00] That is an automatically legal, so we have to be thoughtful about what we're doing in the

[1:15:06] right. It's going to have to the property values and the neighborhoods around there as well.

[1:15:12] And you said the word traditional design as opposed to something more contemporary. That's my understanding. I just want to make sure I understand right.

[1:15:26] I'm not here to tell you how to design your building, I'm not comfortable with what

[1:15:32] I'm seeing.

[1:15:33] I don't feel like I know what's going to end up being there.

[1:15:37] I see.

[1:15:39] I see.

[1:15:39] And I'm saying, yes, basically the condition says it will be decided by our design and review

[1:15:47] board.

[1:15:48] And I'm not always comfortable with the outcome of the design and review board.

[1:15:52] Okay.

[1:15:53] I expect.

[1:15:53] Thank you. I understand. Great. Well, I think it will be an asset to the neighborhood.

[1:16:04] It's mixed. It's not all residential and that's all I have to say.

[1:16:13] Thank you for speaking up. Is there anyone else that would like to come forward?

[1:16:18] The

[1:16:32] lights are on? Yes.

[1:16:34] I'm being mayor and council members.

[1:16:37] First I'd like to thank the pastor for reaching out to the adjacent properties and neighbors.

[1:16:43] I live in 40. My name is Dennis Wrights. I'm sorry, excuse me. Thank you.

[1:16:47] Dennis Wrights, RIC, I live in 40204 Harris Ridge Court, which is an adjacent property.

[1:16:53] The original design called for a 20-foot retaining wall behind my property and theirs,

[1:16:59] which I am to understand I'm asking this just for clarity now that they're reducing that down to 11 feet. Is that correct?

[1:17:08] Okay, 11 feet. And also there was a drainage issue with respect to the property that they were going to or they had proposed to take through some of the neighborhood properties mine specifically.

[1:17:20] And I'm wondering if that had changed. I'm just asking this for clarity. There's no longer going to be a drainage issue going through any of the properties.

[1:17:28] I'm in my subdivision, I wear a creek side in Henry, which is the back adjacent property

[1:17:35] to that.

[1:17:36] I just wanted to find out for clarity because it wasn't really addressed in terms of how

[1:17:39] they changed your drainage, which was originally going to go through my property, and also the

[1:17:44] number of trees that were going to be removed.

[1:17:47] So I guess that's the less trees, and that buffer is going to still be right here.

[1:17:51] So, sir, if you can direct your comments to the City Council, and-

[1:17:54] Excuse me, sir.

[1:17:55] Yeah.

[1:17:55] So, this was a comment in favor of the project.

[1:18:00] This wasn't a discovery.

[1:18:02] This, I understand.

[1:18:04] It was clarification.

[1:18:05] I am in favor of the project.

[1:18:08] If you-

[1:18:09] Well, I'm sorry.

[1:18:11] If you just want to continue with your comments in favor, now is the time for providing comments.

[1:18:16] It's not a time for I love or disliked.

[1:18:18] All right, most of that was just for clarification.

[1:18:20] Thank you very much.

[1:18:22] Thank you, sir.

[1:18:24] Is there anyone else that would like to come forward?

[1:18:29] Seeing none, do you have anyone

[1:18:32] that wants to speak in opposition?

[1:18:36] I see no one else come forward,

[1:18:38] so we'll close public comment.

[1:18:41] Do I have a motion from council?

[1:18:43] Yes, sir, Mr. Mayor, I'd offer a motion this evening

[1:18:46] to approve PH-25-14,

[1:18:50] for Spirit of God Church, that's change of condition.

[1:18:54] And I would add on number five,

[1:18:58] the verbiage with final approval by City Council

[1:19:02] for architecture.

[1:19:04] Then it can come back after DRB.

[1:19:07] Second.

[1:19:10] On my mic.

[1:19:12] Have a motion by Mayor Pro Tem,

[1:19:14] second by Councilman Dorito, I believe.

[1:19:18] Any discussion?

[1:19:22] Councilman Brady.

[1:19:23] Yeah, I just want to make a couple comments here,

[1:19:26] just because have a lot of history, you know, lived in this area for 20 years right here.

[1:19:31] Know this neighborhood very well as residents. There was a situation kind of before.

[1:19:36] I was kind of wanted to kind of say the why the sensitivities there.

[1:19:39] And we had, right, it's a residential kind of house, kind of had an overlay into O and I because

[1:19:44] that was kind of a, you know, with the hospital there, there was a lot of health and kind of growing

[1:19:48] into that. It was kind of be a corridor that would be used for a soft residential balance and impact

[1:19:53] right there. And we've seen it before where some of these homes were purchased and then kind of

[1:19:58] converted into the faith-based or a small kind of congregation. And then the congregation grows and

[1:20:03] grows and grows. And in addition when they bought it it was well we'll keep it small, promised all

[1:20:08] the neighbors that we wanted to keep that residential aesthetic impact because that's really what the

[1:20:12] core is aesthetically. They wanted to still feel like a neighborhood. They didn't want to have all the

[1:20:16] impacts of traffic going in and out, big lighting, you know, parking lots and things like that.

[1:20:21] And nothing to do with the use of it was it was just the aesthetic kind of impact to the neighborhood

[1:20:25] I'd rather have it more of a softer

[1:20:28] residential field right up against their

[1:20:29] Their current homes and things like that the choice of the person behind that property is they could go down the street

[1:20:37] Right, it was a choice. There was a mention here of Tesla Tesla's all the way down in highway 9 the hospitals on highway 9

[1:20:43] BMW dealerships on highway 9

[1:20:45] That's where a flat roof building would be absolutely accepted probably without much

[1:20:50] comments or concerns about aesthetic appearance.

[1:20:54] But when you're right up against a residential area,

[1:20:56] and that becomes the issue, those were when

[1:20:59] it was first kind of purchased

[1:21:00] and those were a lot of the residential comments

[1:21:03] that were in place.

[1:21:04] So for me, I kind of feel like a lot of our discussion tonight

[1:21:07] was to make sure that integrity of aesthetics

[1:21:09] that residential, in fact, is there, scale is right,

[1:21:14] you know, and it fits kind of one thing.

[1:21:16] We want everyone to embrace it and to have it,

[1:21:18] but that's the importance of it.

[1:21:20] And if it's about choice, choice was in the beginning.

[1:21:22] Choice was a commercial site down the street.

[1:21:24] They kind of have a flat roof had done that.

[1:21:26] This was a choice to be right here on the residential.

[1:21:29] So we wanted to feel residential.

[1:21:31] So I just wanted to have those comments

[1:21:32] of why some of the statements are made.

[1:21:34] But because there's history that happened before,

[1:21:37] and it just, and it's in the community

[1:21:40] and they just wanted to make sure we embrace

[1:21:41] all of our folks in faith, but at the same time,

[1:21:45] we want to make sure that the aesthetic quality

[1:21:47] of the neighborhood has protected.

[1:21:48] So, thank you.

[1:21:50] Any other discussion?

[1:21:54] Councilman Druta?

[1:21:55] Yes, just a...

[1:21:57] Councilman Brady's comments, which are all in line with my thoughts as well.

[1:22:02] You know, I think it's important to recognize that both our city staff and the city council

[1:22:09] is a very sensitive application because of its for a base community and I think we want

[1:22:17] I want to support that, particularly in today's world.

[1:22:20] The more faith we can instill in our community from older people and down to our young folks

[1:22:28] is extremely important to me.

[1:22:30] And so I view this as hopefully coming down to designing the right facility that is conducive

[1:22:38] to the area because we also have to be, as the mayor already pointed out, very sensitive

[1:22:42] to the neighbors and the property and the impact on their home values and that sort of thing.

[1:22:45] So we would like a facility that fits into the neighborhood character there at the same time enhances the value of that community in that area at the same time supporting your faith-based community.

[1:22:57] So, Pastor, I hope you walk away here from tonight trying to figure out the best solution that reacts to the comments from us all here on the council tonight.

[1:23:12] There's no other discussion.

[1:23:15] All those in favor of the motion to approve is outlined by Mayor Pro Temp.

[1:23:19] Please vote yes, otherwise vote according,

[1:23:25] and it does pass unanimously.

[1:23:28] Congratulations.

[1:23:34] So, the next item up will be item V-25-19, Tesla EV charging stations at Kroger Shopping

[1:23:44] Center.

[1:23:51] Director Cook, once again, you have the floor.

[1:23:53] Mayor

[1:24:08] and Council, the next item is shown to you on the screen, the location, and the

[1:24:13] applicant do-barry engineers is requesting consideration of an exception to allow 16

[1:24:18] Tesla EV chargers and associated equipment and a commercial parking lot. An exception

[1:24:24] is requested to allow the EV chargers associated equipment in the 50-foot front setback along

[1:24:31] one-word parkway. Properties located at 1-2-870, Highway 9 at the northeast corner,

[1:24:38] one-word parkway, and Highway 9 in the Windward Commons Croger Shopping Center.

[1:24:44] The UDC states that the front setback you cannot have any structures within the front setback.

[1:24:52] So that setback, although it's C2, which means it's conditional, it was set at the time of LDP

[1:24:59] for the land disturbance permit that this would be 50 feet, which means that that's similar to surrounding setbacks.

[1:25:08] So the request is to retrofit 23 existing parking spaces along when we're parkway within that

[1:25:15] Kroger shopping center in order to have the Tesla charging stations.

[1:25:25] And they did provide an aerial, which I think is really good to go to show the location a little bit better.

[1:25:31] course this is the Wells Fargo and the equipment would be within right now is the 23 parking spaces.

[1:25:38] They would reconfigure some of the tree islands, but there's a net gain of trees that they'll be

[1:25:45] putting back. Show you what that looks like now.

[1:25:50] This is what those parking spaces look like now from

[1:25:53] one more parkway looking into the shopping center. After the installation of the 16 chargers,

[1:26:00] they would be adding additional shrubs along when we're parkway as well as drift

[1:26:06] roses in front of that so there would be some screening. So you will be able

[1:26:11] to still see a portion of these posts there's six and a half feet in height but

[1:26:17] the majority of that will be covered with the evergreens. So most of the

[1:26:22] equipment will be screened.

[1:26:27] The city's code now we currently require that all

[1:26:31] All new non-residential developments, we require, if they have 100 or more vehicle parking

[1:26:38] spaces, we do require that they have the electric chargers.

[1:26:43] So if this was, if one word of comments was built constructed today, we would require

[1:26:48] them to have five level three EVCSs.

[1:26:53] The applicant's proposal is for 16 of the Tesla supercharging stations, which exceeds

[1:26:59] the city's minimum requirement. However, within their application they do show

[1:27:03] that they're not going to put signs on these spaces that designate. It's

[1:27:08] only for cars that are charging, so it still meets the parking that's

[1:27:12] required for crowbar. And also it's not just for Tesla, so there is a list of

[1:27:17] other cars that can use electric cars that can use the superchargers. It's my

[1:27:24] understanding that it will take anywhere from 10 minutes with these superchargers to

[1:27:28] 30 minutes to get the to be fully charged.

[1:27:34] As part of the site plan they

[1:27:40] also have one of the

[1:27:45] stations that's ADA accessible that has the hatching in order to have accessibility.

[1:27:59] And again

[1:27:59] and then they will replace any of the trees that are removed so they'll meet all of those requirements.

[1:28:06] We reviewed the applicant's proposal.

[1:28:09] We find that the exception does not conflict with the established review criteria.

[1:28:14] The proposal represents retrofitting and existing commercial parking lot with EV charging equipment.

[1:28:20] And if a proven landscape screening material should be required and we do recommend that as part of the conditions.

[1:28:26] The applicant did notify everyone surrounding with him 500 feet.

[1:28:31] The report states that they did receive questions regarding what type of vehicles will be able

[1:28:36] to use the chargers, how long will it take, and can they leave their car there, do they

[1:28:40] have to stay there while it's being charged.

[1:28:45] We are recommending approval of E25-08, Tesla EV chargers at Kroger, Setback Exception,

[1:28:54] Subject to three conditions, and I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have.

[1:29:04] May I vote, Tim?

[1:29:07] Kathy, I just want to make sure that there's a definition for associated equipment that

[1:29:12] does not include awnings that may pop up in the future.

[1:29:16] Correct.

[1:29:17] So they are not approved for awnings.

[1:29:20] That would have to come back to council.

[1:29:22] They are only approved for the stations without the awnings.

[1:29:26] So that's a good question.

[1:29:27] Thank you.

[1:29:29] Councilman Hypes.

[1:29:31] Thank you, Mayor.

[1:29:33] Director Cook, this may be the start of things to come in our city and other cities

[1:29:39] with private enterprise providing charging stations.

[1:29:43] And my question is, is there anything about this variance that creates a precedent for

[1:29:50] future applications?

[1:29:52] I'm anticipating over the next several years we may get more applications coming forward

[1:29:58] for available parkings.

[1:30:03] I welcome the investment in this sort of technology in Alpharetta, but from our side of the ledger I want to make sure we're getting it right, we're ahead of the curve and ahead of any anticipated issues. I think we are. I think that the retrofit, the location which is out of the main traffic area, it's an area that they

[1:30:30] selected you know that wasn't closer to the door so I think that that was you

[1:30:35] know a good location plus I like the addition of landscaping and these are

[1:30:40] only six and a half feet in height the the other equipment the cabinet seven

[1:30:44] and a half so I don't think that it is an intrusive you know to see along the

[1:30:51] right away so I think it's I think it's a good precedent. What would be the

[1:30:55] the alternative to a variance for the setback request.

[1:30:59] They could put it towards the, more towards this center,

[1:31:03] so they didn't have to have,

[1:31:04] it wouldn't be within the setback.

[1:31:06] So if we haven't, we're doing this application,

[1:31:10] but I want to be consistent in the future,

[1:31:13] so I'm just trying to understand,

[1:31:16] that's what this request is,

[1:31:18] these will be closer to a sidewalk,

[1:31:20] maybe closer to a road that we anticipate widening

[1:31:23] some day or doing a T's plus three in some part of town and this one is staff is recommending

[1:31:31] because but maybe in another situation we would we would say no you don't you don't need that.

[1:31:38] Right. We'd have to look at each location and request on its own merit. So there's some

[1:31:43] that may even be similar location to a public road but may not be recommended for approval for other

[1:31:49] reasons as you suggest it.

[1:31:52] Okay.

[1:31:53] Thank you.

[1:31:58] Do you have any other questions?

[1:32:00] Council Member A.

[1:32:01] I think it's really interesting when we see the grocery

[1:32:04] anger essentially use space.

[1:32:05] I think there's a lot of changes that are coming.

[1:32:08] Just because I think the traffic, I think we're seeing parking

[1:32:11] reduce or the amount of cars coming reduce, right?

[1:32:14] We have more people delivering food today than we ever have before.

[1:32:17] And I think a lot of these reads are trying to understand how

[1:32:20] to get people in efficiently in and out and kind of do that in a

[1:32:23] way. So I see the green use of the EV really being something that's coming forward. I'm

[1:32:28] planning on where it is on the parking lot because I think it is really important. We don't

[1:32:32] need to steal them right up front because then we have like ADA and we have other uses of those

[1:32:37] and it's tough to put a car there who might leave it for four hours. I guess my end with a question

[1:32:43] are these free? Anybody else kind of use them? How do you go up to and utilize these charging stations?

[1:32:51] It's my understanding that you have to pay, but they're also not putting a sign that

[1:32:55] says, if you're parking there, you must be charging.

[1:32:59] But I'll let the applicant answer that if that's okay, but it's my understanding you would

[1:33:04] have to pay for the charge.

[1:33:06] Thank you.

[1:33:09] Any other questions from the director?

[1:33:10] Boop.

[1:33:12] Thank you, ma'am.

[1:33:13] Thank you.

[1:33:14] Would the applicant like to come forward at this time?

[1:33:27] Is this on?

[1:33:28] Okay.

[1:33:28] Yes.

[1:33:29] Hi.

[1:33:29] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[1:33:30] Thank you, Council. My name is Olivier Kokio and I'm with Tesla. I've been with Tesla for

[1:33:37] more than five years, so five years in August, so five years. Now, as a deployment manager for the

[1:33:42] supercharging group, and we've been installing supercharging stations in nine states in the Southeast,

[1:33:50] so Georgia and North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida. But yeah, but I live here in Sandy Springs

[1:33:57] on Razzle Road, and I have two many friends asking me when I'm going to install

[1:34:03] Nutrienting Station in the Alphoretta, so I'm hoping that you guys help me today.

[1:34:08] So thank you staff for doing this amazing presentation. I just wanted to add a

[1:34:16] few comments and maybe answer some questions that anyone may have if that's

[1:34:22] Okay. So, sorry. Oh, I heard something. So, the, oh, it's my voice. Um, so, um,

[1:34:31] wanted to say that, um, in alpha right now, we have, um, our existing station with 10

[1:34:38] charge posts, um, in Avalon. Um, and those are the old equipment. So what we call urban

[1:34:44] charging and it's V2 version two. Um, right now we're using version four. So as we can imagine,

[1:34:51] We had a version three and then now we using version four the picture that you saw I sound on screening more

[1:34:57] But the white church was those are version four that charge way faster and again also that uses Nax

[1:35:05] North America charging standards that allows non Tesla vehicles to charge at those charging stations as well, right?

[1:35:11] So at the beginning a little bit of history charging station. We used to use

[1:35:17] CCS adapters

[1:35:18] Tesla now using the NACS North America trading standards with a lot of OEMs like maybe all of them getting on board using the NACS having vehicles manufactured with NACS integrated starting in 2025.

[1:35:33] So all of these people will start charging at our test stations as well.

[1:35:39] The avalanche charging station sees thousands of charging sessions per month and right now

[1:35:48] an average every month we see 75 to 100 waiting waiters.

[1:35:54] What do we call waiters are whenever a customer comes in and has to wait for more than 10 minutes

[1:36:01] to charge.

[1:36:02] So that's really one of our key indicators that we need to install more charging stations

[1:36:08] in this area because we hate to see people waiting.

[1:36:12] Customer experience is very big for us.

[1:36:15] So therefore we, this is the reason why,

[1:36:18] many reason why we want to install a new charging station

[1:36:20] and also with new equipment.

[1:36:23] And we've been opening stations for the past,

[1:36:28] well, like since I joined Tesla,

[1:36:30] when I joined Tesla it was only three states in Georgia.

[1:36:33] Now we have over 20.

[1:36:34] And every time we open a charging station, a charging station, more people buy Tesla in

[1:36:42] the area, more people come to charge to that station.

[1:36:45] It's like the chicken and the egg, right?

[1:36:47] So you place them there, people are coming.

[1:36:51] So I'll stop there and answer questions because I'm sure some of you have some.

[1:36:56] And I wanted to introduce David with the very, because I know we mentioned the bear here,

[1:37:01] our engineering firm that we've contracted for this site.

[1:37:06] Excellent. Thank you. Council member, I'm going to ask all the,

[1:37:10] other say, the unknown questions for those that don't use EVs all the time.

[1:37:15] So just that we don't mind. This is an educational quick question.

[1:37:18] We have those out here. Is there any issues?

[1:37:21] You know, it rains, you're charging. Could it go on fire? Do we need fire suppression?

[1:37:26] Is there any damages, any risk or anything like this?

[1:37:28] to anybody using this under any weather conditions that you might have out there or heat or sun

[1:37:34] or any of those things that will create any environmental issues, any hazards to the

[1:37:39] users, and then how long do these things last?

[1:37:42] How often it need to be replaced, and what kind of condition, just for an education, I'd

[1:37:46] love to hear that.

[1:37:48] Is that part of my 10 minutes, or can I have time to answer the question?

[1:37:56] Responding to questions does not count against you.

[1:37:58] Okay, all right. Okay. So there's a lot of things that were said here. Apologies if I miss any so you can ask and let me know if I miss any.

[1:38:06] I wanted to say I think one of you asked about canopies. There's no canopy for that charging station. Absolutely not.

[1:38:14] But you know in terms of an environment like Tesla every charging station that we install is really related to Tesla's core mission to accelerate.

[1:38:24] accelerate the transition to sustainable energy.

[1:38:29] In terms of hazard, there is none in terms of direct hazard with vehicles, electric vehicles.

[1:38:39] When you're charging, you can charge under any weather conditions, if it's raining,

[1:38:47] if there's a lot of heat, and a lot of people choose to stay in the vehicle with the AC on while

[1:38:53] you charging. I sound the same thing as gas station where it's recommended to turn off the engine.

[1:38:58] So you can stay in the car as you're charging and as a matter of fact you have entertainment

[1:39:04] while you're charging. You can watch Netflix. You can do all kinds of stuff when you are charging.

[1:39:12] But however, like as you can see, we love installing charging stations,

[1:39:16] and turning stations where people have amenities,

[1:39:20] whether they need to use the restrooms

[1:39:22] or they need to do some shopping

[1:39:24] because as the lady indicated before,

[1:39:28] the trading session can take 30 to 45 minutes, right?

[1:39:33] Depending on how low the battery is

[1:39:35] and how long you need to charge, right?

[1:39:37] So fire, it's actually not recommended

[1:39:41] for someone driving a vehicle

[1:39:42] So, if it catches fire to be the one to attend to it, but we've never had, well, not to

[1:39:49] my knowledge, at least in the southeast, any incident where, as we're charging, a station

[1:39:55] charging, a car, a vehicle catches fire, we also have made significant improvement in terms

[1:40:03] of the material that we use when it's escaping because sometimes when it gets heated, you know,

[1:40:08] there are some materials that we use that are not recommended for additional

[1:40:13] lightscabings, so we have made significant improvement in that. In terms of

[1:40:17] services, how long the stations last? For us, we look at 15 years, right? So, and we

[1:40:26] are very, very dedicated to providing a significant, a highly uptime, so more

[1:40:34] 99%. So if a station is a charge post is not working, we have service personnel attending

[1:40:40] to those charge rolls. And generally speaking, the where and there is not a big deal because

[1:40:48] the passage drivers usually are very responsible. And whenever there's an issue, it gets

[1:40:55] reported very quickly and it gets attended to very quickly. So did I miss something?

[1:41:00] Okay, no problem. Any other questions?

[1:41:06] I've got one for you. I'm just curious. Are you working

[1:41:10] on installing the charging stations for our public safety and police? I would love to. I was just

[1:41:19] curious. We actually have begun a test of Teslas and the police department and we are installing

[1:41:25] two of them. I just wasn't sure if it was the same technology.

[1:41:29] No, there's four charges that are going in in our public safety headquarters that we've

[1:41:34] done in an arrangement with Georgia Power with Tesla, and our police chief could speak

[1:41:39] to it further if you have specific questions, but I don't think the projects are related.

[1:41:44] Okay.

[1:41:45] Councilman Hypes?

[1:41:48] For starters, did you say Tesla has a company has done 20 in Georgia?

[1:41:56] I don't remember the exact number, but we have about 20 in Georgia, yes.

[1:42:00] In Canada, this one, this would be out of the 22 would be in Al-Foretta.

[1:42:07] Wait, is it out again?

[1:42:08] So I was just struck by the number.

[1:42:11] You said there's like 20 Tesla EV stations in Georgia, and two of these will end up being

[1:42:17] in Al-Foretta, two of those 20.

[1:42:19] Oh, well, it would be more than 20, yes, we'll be in Al-Foretta, that's correct.

[1:42:23] Yes.

[1:42:25] My other questions were,

[1:42:29] so this one is 16 stations, is there any considerations that

[1:42:35] we as a city and you as a company would need to address on infrastructure primarily?

[1:42:41] What's providing the current, when you're out in a parking lot, where are you getting

[1:42:49] and how are you providing the electricity for these stations?

[1:42:56] Is that something that you all put in?

[1:42:58] Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[1:43:00] So before we, so the steps in determining, you know,

[1:43:06] from conception to installation of those charging stations,

[1:43:10] first, the demand comes from the data that I shared before

[1:43:14] looking at existing charging stations,

[1:43:17] and looking at how many sessions they get per month

[1:43:19] and looking at how many waiter events,

[1:43:22] they have people waiting for when in 10 minutes.

[1:43:24] Then we decide to install a train station.

[1:43:26] We go out there, our business development team,

[1:43:29] they go out there and try to make a deal

[1:43:31] with the property owners in an area

[1:43:33] that makes sense like when we're part way, you know,

[1:43:37] makes sense.

[1:43:37] Now once that happens, this is where I get involved

[1:43:43] from the business development team,

[1:43:44] they get in touch with someone like me

[1:43:46] to say, hey, we want to install a chain station within this property.

[1:43:50] My job, one of my first job is to first reach out to the jurisdiction to understand what

[1:43:54] would be the requirements to install this conception, a conceptual charging station.

[1:44:01] And then, but the second part is also to reach out to the utility.

[1:44:04] In this case, this is Georgia Power, and we have an excellent relationship with Georgia Power.

[1:44:08] So that has already been taken place where we reach out to Georgia Power and tell them, hey,

[1:44:13] we have a plan to install 16 charging stations based on 16 charging stations we tell them what the

[1:44:19] demand for power will be for the 16 charging stations and they tell us what size transformer they

[1:44:24] need to install and that is a 2500 KVA transformer and then once that happens there's a second part

[1:44:31] which is the easement that they need to work with with the property which is something that is

[1:44:36] facilitated by Tesla as well but in this particular case Tesla and Georgia power already have been

[1:44:42] and in communication with utility coordination

[1:44:45] to make sure that they can provide power

[1:44:47] and they actually told us where to install the transformer.

[1:44:50] So the transformer location that you see on the plan

[1:44:52] has been approved and blessed by Georgia Power.

[1:44:56] All right, and that's why I was trying to get to,

[1:44:58] the who puts in the end.

[1:45:00] You pay for electricity and then this, you pay for your, what, I don't want to sound dumb about this. Is it, you pay for killer watch? What's the killer hour? Yeah, yes. Use your credit card, you're tapped to pay. Oh, two things. You're asking for Tesla or the customer. So Tesla has no, oh, the customer. Okay, the customer pays for killer hour and they have an account like the, the car technically has an account with, with Tesla, right? And every time you charge, after the trading session is done,

[1:45:32] And last and related points here in terms of safety these these operate can operate 24 hours

[1:45:39] a day 24-7 and who's responsible for any lighting considerations is if you decide to charge

[1:45:47] at two o'clock in the morning and you're sitting in your car at two o'clock in the morning in a

[1:45:52] Kroger parking lot. Who takes on the responsibility for safety and lighting? Is that the Kroger owner or is that Tesla because they're the ones profiting from those who take care of that?

[1:46:03] No, so that's a very good question because we care so much and I believe there was one applicant who mentioned the same thing.

[1:46:10] We hear a lot about people safety, and we have found that a lot of times when we install

[1:46:17] the test at charging stations in an area where the lights come on at dawn, like sometimes

[1:46:28] we don't control when the lights stay on or get off, right?

[1:46:34] So what we've decided moving forward on all test attunionsations is to install our own lighting that is fed from the

[1:46:42] The transformer that is installed by Georgia power. So is that part of this project? Yes

[1:46:47] And where is where is the lighting in this project is it?

[1:46:52] Ballard lighting is it overhead lighting? Is it it's a pole? It's a light is a lighting fixture mounted on a pole

[1:47:51] And those are between the stations and the sidewalk.

[1:47:59] And is that you have the floor, but I'm going to kind of look over toward director cook.

[1:48:07] are these going to be standard city lighting fixtures like we have for

[1:48:11] other locations are they going to install their own are they going to go

[1:48:14] through some process are we going to be happy with what they put in just

[1:48:27] tell me I'll be happy. We're going to be happy. They're going to they're going to

[1:48:30] submit the application and we'll we'll approve the fixture and a 15 foot height

[1:48:34] that's not very tall usually we see 30 foot they're definitely putting in a man

[1:48:39] at a pedestrian level to get that light.

[1:48:43] Okay. Well, in conclusion with my questions, I'm interested in knowing what you're going

[1:48:49] to be doing for safety, for people who are sitting in a parking lot, who may be alone,

[1:48:53] may be vulnerable. And I'm also interested in the upkeep of the area. It may be a Kroger

[1:48:58] shopping center. But, you know, if people get bored and there's no place to put their trash

[1:49:03] or something, I want to know that if you're going to have people congregate there so that

[1:49:09] we keep the area nice and clean and safe for our residents.

[1:49:13] Is that all being addressed?

[1:49:15] Right, that is being addressed.

[1:49:17] So generally speaking and including for this station,

[1:49:20] we look at providing lighting, dedicated lighting

[1:49:24] because we want to control that in a way, right?

[1:49:27] As long as our station is working,

[1:49:29] we want to provide lighting.

[1:49:30] And the second thing providing trash cans

[1:49:33] so that people don't have to walk so far away

[1:49:35] to dispose of their trash.

[1:49:37] But the agreement is between Tesla and the property owner to service these trash cans.

[1:49:44] And we have systems in place for the customers to report any kind of issues.

[1:49:50] Like immediately, for example, if the trash cans are not being serviced,

[1:49:53] where then we go and address that concern with the property owner.

[1:49:57] But just a person to note, like whenever I open a new station, like for the next three months,

[1:50:03] I visit the station often because it's like my baby, so there's also that where they're getting dedicated attention from a Tesla employee who knows the project very well.

[1:50:15] I appreciate you answering my questions and I don't know how this is going to go but I'm excited about the investment if it goes well.

[1:50:22] We're excited as well.

[1:50:26] Any other questions about the Tesla Chargers?

[1:50:29] Seeing none.

[1:50:31] Thank you very much.

[1:50:32] Thank you.

[1:50:34] We have no public comment cards in favor of this item.

[1:50:38] Do we have any in opposition?

[1:50:42] I have none in opposition, either.

[1:50:45] If there's anyone who would like to come and speak in favor, now is your chance.

[1:50:51] I see no one coming forward.

[1:50:53] Is there anyone who would like to speak in opposition?

[1:50:56] Once again, I see no one come forward.

[1:51:00] So we'll close public comment, go ahead and motion from council.

[1:51:03] Yes, Mr. Mayor, I'd offer a motion this evening to approve V-25-19 Tesla EV charging

[1:51:10] stake at the Kroger Shopping Center with an addition to number two that light fixtures

[1:51:17] shall complement existing lighting and require staff approval.

[1:51:24] We have a motion to approve by Mayor Pro Tem Markham, the second by Councilman Hikes.

[1:51:31] Any discussion?

[1:51:36] All those in favor of the motion to approve, please vote, yes, otherwise vote accordingly.

[1:51:51] Just keeping you in suspense.

[1:51:53] It does pass unanimously.

[1:51:59] You can, but there's no need to.

[1:52:01] It can only go bad for you from this point.

[1:52:05] But thank you very much.

[1:52:07] We appreciate your investment in our community.

[1:52:10] So,

[1:52:14] printed agenda, as I mentioned earlier, that item will be deferred to October.

[1:52:21] So, the next item up,

[1:52:25] do we also have the vertiport deferred?

[1:52:28] Yes, sir. That's correct. We are now in the new business, item A.

[1:52:35] Okay. I just didn't have that in quite a few deferrals.

[1:52:39] Let's move

[1:52:44] on to the new business portion of tonight's meeting and the first item up is the resolution for the City of Alfredo Arts and Culture Master Plan.

[1:52:58] Mr. Mayor, I'm going to go ahead and read the resolution if that's okay.

[1:53:01] Please.

[1:53:02] The presenter becomes ward.

[1:53:06] A resolution by the Mayor and Council of the City of Alfredo Georgia to adopt the City of Alfredo Arts and Culture Master Plan.

[1:53:11] Thank you very much, director Rogers.

[1:53:15] Great to be back.

[1:53:16] We were seeking adoption for the resolution approving the arts and cultural master plan.

[1:53:22] We worked shopped this item several months ago with Mayor and Council.

[1:53:27] There were a few questions and comments at the time.

[1:53:30] Staff and the T.S.W. our consultant addressed those questions and concerns

[1:53:37] and made several changes that I'd like to note from the workshop item from the

[1:53:45] workshop plan you had to the one that we were presenting tonight. First is that

[1:53:50] we moved economic development to number four in the priorities and strategies.

[1:53:57] We added the word roadmap to better explain that this is a directional

[1:54:01] or document, not necessarily to do list, we clarified the funding element updated that

[1:54:11] the city would need to help to develop a Friends of the Nonprofit Group to develop a

[1:54:15] compelling statement and to put together a fundraising campaign.

[1:54:20] And we also changed art software to a generic, arch nonprofit to clarify that the city needs

[1:54:27] He's a friend of the nonprofit to do the fundraising because that was a big issue of fundraising.

[1:54:32] So we have addressed all of those questions that were asked or comments that were held

[1:54:37] at that night.

[1:54:38] And so we submit this master plan for approval and I'd be glad to answer any questions

[1:54:43] that you may have.

[1:54:44] Do we have any questions for Director Rogers?

[1:54:49] Thank you very much for going back in and taking the feedback that you got from our council

[1:54:54] and bringing us a finished product.

[1:54:56] Right.

[1:54:56] And I would like to personally thank Alison Stewart Harris with TSW who did a lot of

[1:55:04] above and beyond on this project as a consultant, as well as Kim Zane, who is the manager for

[1:55:11] us for the arts and culture, did a lot of above and beyond.

[1:55:15] And they took a document that could be very dry and made it exciting and fun, so I appreciate

[1:55:20] their efforts.

[1:55:22] Thank you, sir. We appreciate your whole team's effort. Any questions for Director Rogers

[1:55:28] on this item?

[1:55:32] Is there a period we have any public comment cards?

[1:55:35] We do not, Mr. Mayor. However, there's anyone that would like to come forward and speak on

[1:55:39] this item now as your chance. Seeing no one come forward, we'll close public comment. Do

[1:55:46] I have a motion from Council? Yes, Mayor. I make a motion that Council adopt the resolution

[1:55:51] of approving the City Arts Cultural Master Plan.

[1:55:54] Second.

[1:55:55] A motion by Councilman Hikes to approve.

[1:55:58] Second by Councilman Brady.

[1:56:00] Any discussion?

[1:56:03] All those in favor of the motion to approve, please vote yes.

[1:56:10] And it does pass unanimously.

[1:56:12] Congratulations.

[1:56:14] So next item is the Intergovernmental Agreement,

[1:56:17] Fulton County Schools for Participation

[1:56:19] and Community Agricultural Programming.

[1:56:23] Mr. Rogers, once again you had the floor.

[1:56:25] Thank you very much.

[1:56:26] We are, again, asking for approval of an intergovernment agreement between the city of

[1:56:30] Alfredo and Fulton County representing Cambridge High School, Alfredo High School, Milton

[1:56:36] High School, and Innovation Academy.

[1:56:38] This is just to formalize what, oh, well, this is the same contract that we've had with these,

[1:56:46] but we had them individually in Fulton County ask us to put them all together and want and

[1:56:50] have various parts of that.

[1:56:51] So we're just continuing that tradition of working closely with the schools that have

[1:56:57] alpha-red residents that go to them, all of these schools have residents that attend

[1:57:03] those.

[1:57:03] We work closely with them.

[1:57:05] We also have an agreement with 10 schools as far as our garden support program where we're

[1:57:12] supporting the schools to have community gardens on site and learn what it's like to

[1:57:19] grow your own food.

[1:57:19] So we're real proud of this particular project, particularly with the with Cambridge Innovation

[1:57:27] Milton and Alfred High School. Each of them play a different role and is outlined and they're

[1:57:31] be glad to go over those details if y'all would like for me too.

[1:57:38] Anyone want him to?

[1:57:42] We'll defer.

[1:57:45] Thank you sir. You sure do we have any public comment cards?

[1:57:50] We do not, Mr. Mayor.

[1:57:52] However, there's a chance to come speak up on this item.

[1:57:56] I'm not seeing anyone come forward,

[1:57:58] so we'll close public comment.

[1:58:00] I have a motion from the council.

[1:58:02] Mr. Mayor, make a motion to council approve

[1:58:04] an intergovernmental agreement

[1:58:06] between City of Alfred and Fulton County Schools

[1:58:08] on behalf of Cambridge High School,

[1:58:10] Alfred of High School, Milton High School,

[1:58:12] and Innovation Academy for Community Agricultural Programming

[1:58:17] and authorize mayor to execute all necessary documents.

[1:58:21] Second.

[1:58:22] I have a motion by Councilman Hypes,

[1:58:24] a second by Councilman Dorito.

[1:58:27] Any discussion?

[1:58:29] Councilman Dorito?

[1:58:31] Yes, Director Rogers.

[1:58:33] Reason why I don't think we need to hear the details

[1:58:35] was we've had tremendous presentations

[1:58:38] from high school students who go through this kind of

[1:58:41] relationship with former county schools.

[1:58:44] I'm always impressed at the students

[1:58:46] knowledge and what they gain from just business acumen and operating the farm and the things

[1:58:53] that they provide to North Fulton Charities, Food Bank, and stuff, and it's just a tremendous

[1:58:59] program and a great partnership with Fulton County Schools, so thank you very much.

[1:59:04] Thank you. Obviously, I agree with the Councilman Dorito that it is a tremendous program. It encompasses

[1:59:11] is hundreds and hundreds of volunteers throughout the year as well as what is happening with

[1:59:18] the schools.

[1:59:19] But then you have the the bees that are out there that the folks at innovation are tracking

[1:59:24] the bees and it's just a tremendous program and it's being well received by the communities

[1:59:30] that thank you.

[1:59:34] So seeing no other discussion, all those in favor of the motion to approve please vote yes.

[1:59:40] It does pass unanimously, congratulations on all that hard work coming to fruition.

[1:59:49] Next item up, very exciting invitation to bid, 26-003 pine shavings.

[1:59:56] So we're running.

[2:00:00] So this particular item is a consideration for approval of an award for the invitation of

[2:00:09] bid to Queen Wood products for pine shavings for the Equestrian Center. That's the pine

[2:00:14] shavings basically keep the horses in a neat environment when they're in their stalls.

[2:00:21] Those conditions are covered under by the Georgia Department of Agriculture that tells us how

[2:00:27] much each horse needs and in our case we they have to have two bales of pine

[2:00:34] shavings per horse. This particular contract we will purchase those bales for

[2:00:40] $4.80 and we turn around and sell them for $8. That includes the labor and

[2:00:45] the transportation all of that so it's it's just a continuation of what we've

[2:00:52] been doing for a long time that few questions there. Thanks sir. Councilman

[2:00:59] in the packet that says total cost is $123,000, is that an annual or is that a cover of

[2:01:05] the five years? That's an annual cost. Okay, thank you.

[2:01:13] Any other questions for Dr. Rodgers? Seeing none, thank you, sir. Mr. Perot.

[2:01:20] We have no public comment cards. However, if you'd like to come speak about

[2:01:24] time savings now is your chance. I don't see a rush so I'll go ahead and close public comment.

[2:01:33] Do I have a motion from council? Yes, ma'am. It's my privilege to ask council to approve the award

[2:01:41] invitation to bid 26-003 to Queenwood's products for a five-year contract for Will's Park Equestrian

[2:01:50] and center pine shavings in an amount not to exceed $123,000 per year and authorize the

[2:01:57] mayor to execute all necessary.

[2:01:59] I'd be happy to second that motion by Councilman Hives and the second by Councilman Brady.

[2:02:06] Any discussion?

[2:02:11] All those in favor please vote yes before I have to hear another time and

[2:02:19] it does pass unanimously.

[2:02:21] So

[2:02:26] the next item is the resolution for the development impact fee advisory committee appointments.

[2:02:33] Ms. S. Wein, do you mind reading this resolution?

[2:02:36] A resolution by the Mayor and Council of the City of Offereda, Georgia appointing seven members of the city's development impact fee advisory committee.

[2:02:45] Thank you very much, Mr. Doyle, you finally get to speak, you have the floor.

[2:02:51] Thank you, Mayor and Council.

[2:02:56] We are seeking your authorization to approve staff's recommended appointments for the development

[2:03:01] impact fee advisory committee as part of the city's impact fee program update.

[2:03:07] Committee appointments are a necessary preliminary step that we need to do in establishing any

[2:03:13] future updates to Alfredo's existing fee program because the Georgia Planning Act requires

[2:03:19] local governments utilizing an impact fee system to establish such a committee prior to the adoption of any ordinance updates or amendments.

[2:03:29] Recommended appointees are determined in accordance with the state's minimum planning standards, procedures and impact fee compliance requirements.

[2:03:37] At this time, if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer those.

[2:03:41] Thank you.

[2:03:42] Do we have any questions from Mr. Doer?

[2:03:43] So, Councilman Dreda, one's the last time we did this, we've reviewed our impact fee structure.

[2:03:51] So last time we updated our impact fee, our capital improvement element was actually

[2:03:56] back in 2015, annually, we update our short-term work program, which is the five-year component

[2:04:03] of that CIE.

[2:04:05] Okay.

[2:04:05] Thank you.

[2:04:06] Yes.

[2:04:08] Any other questions from Mr. Dreda?

[2:04:11] Thank you very much, sir.

[2:04:12] You're welcome. Do I have a motion from Council?

[2:04:17] In Mr. Mayor, I have no public comment cards on this item.

[2:04:20] Thank you. I was getting ahead of myself.

[2:04:23] But just in case anybody wants to come forward and speak on this process.

[2:04:26] Now is your opportunity.

[2:04:30] And we'll close public comment.

[2:04:32] Do I have a motion from Council now?

[2:04:34] Yes, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. I would offer a resolution to approve

[2:04:39] development impact fee advisory committee appointments as presented by the

[2:04:43] Community Development Department.

[2:04:45] We have a motion, do we have a second?

[2:04:47] Second.

[2:04:48] I have a motion by Mayor Pro Tems.

[2:04:50] Mayor Colton.

[2:04:51] Second by Councilman Dorito.

[2:04:53] In discussion?

[2:04:55] Seeing none, all those in favor, please vote yes.

[2:04:59] Otherwise, we're recording.

[2:05:02] And it does pass unanimously.

[2:05:05] We may want to recapture that.

[2:05:06] It didn't capture Councilman Doritos vote.

[2:05:20] It's still unanimous.

[2:05:24] So the motion passes we'll move on to public comment. There's any public here

[2:05:30] They would like to come comment and house your chance. I don't see anyone coming forward

[2:05:35] So we'll close public comment reports

[2:05:38] You have any reports?

[2:05:41] I'd like to have two reports then

[2:05:44] So one we have one heck of a mayor 5k on Thursday and I'm very grateful to all the volunteers from the roadway

[2:05:52] club of Alphabeta, all our sponsors, all our major employers that participated, it was

[2:05:57] a great event, great weather, and I survived. So that's a good thing. We definitely

[2:06:04] raised a lot of money for good nonprofits and charities in our community, and that's

[2:06:09] a big thing. So it's always good to have fun, get a little exercise, and also raise money

[2:06:14] for those who need. I also want to mention for anyone who hasn't paid attention, if you're

[2:06:21] We're in the 21st Senate District for the State of Georgia, which is Brandon Beach's

[2:06:28] former seat.

[2:06:33] The last day to vote is tomorrow.

[2:06:37] So please, if you haven't already voted, exercise your right to vote.

[2:06:43] It's going to be very important to have someone representing Al Fareda down at the State House.

[2:06:49] That being said, it's all the reports I have, and I believe we have no executive session,

[2:06:54] but I'll check to confirm.

[2:06:57] Yay.

[2:06:58] All right.

[2:06:59] So, do we have a motion to adjourn?

[2:07:01] Motion to adjourn.

[2:07:03] Second.

[2:07:03] We have a motion by Councilman Hyves, a second by Mayor Pro Tem, Markle.

[2:07:07] All those in favor, please vote yes.

[2:07:13] And it passes unanimously.

[2:07:15] Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

[2:07:17] and look forward to seeing you next time.

City Council Meeting & Public Hearing 9-22-2025

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