[0:02] Okay. Thank you. I'd like to call to order the Alpine City Council meeting

[0:07] for August 26th, 2026. I'm sorry, August 25th, 2026.

[0:15] [laughter] Excuse me.

[0:17] We will start with a roll call starting from Councilman Young and then a prayer

[0:23] led by Councilman Young and a pledge um I'm [clears throat] sorry, prayer

[0:28] offered by Councilman Young and a pledge offered by or led by um Councilwoman

[0:33] Sarah Blackwell. Okay, roll call.

[0:37] » I'll substitute for Councilman Young and say the prayer.

[0:40] » Okay. >> Bren Remler, present.

[0:42] » Sarah Blackwell, present. >> Chrissy Henman, present.

[0:46] Okay, so we have two that are not present.

[0:50] Andrew Young and Jessica Smeuan. We will move to a prayer offered by Councilwoman

[0:56] Haniman.

[1:00] Our dear kind heavenly father, we're grateful for this beautiful evening that

[1:03] we could gather as a community and discuss important things to each of us

[1:07] and to the public at large. We're grateful for those who serve, grateful

[1:12] for the uh time and interest. We're grateful for a successful alpine days

[1:17] that no harm or fire. We're grateful for the extra rain we've received and uh the

[1:24] accompanying rainbows and bless that everyone will um learn and listen well

[1:32] tonight. And we say these things Christ. Amen.

[1:34] » Amen. >> Please rise and join me in the pledge of

[1:37] allegiance. >> Ready? Begin. I pledge algiance to the

[1:42] flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One

[1:50] nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[1:58] » Okay, let's move on to the consent calendar.

[2:05] » Are there any questions uh for the items on the consent calendar?

[2:09] Just one quick one and that is uh um in the future what what would really help

[2:15] is if we can get just a couple comparisons because I mean I'm no expert

[2:19] in uh lawnmowers. Just a couple comparison. Look, there's a big tier,

[2:23] there's a little mil tier, there's a used one, there's a notused one. Um and

[2:27] maybe just some cost estimates because I mean I don't know how uh the rest of the

[2:30] council is arriving at where they feel comfortable with the decisions on these.

[2:35] Uh so any sort of comparison will help. The other thing that'll help is when uh

[2:40] we have like a $68,000 lawnmower come up, just what fund it's coming from, how

[2:46] much we've got in there, and then we can kind of identify, okay, we're here. This

[2:50] is a big expense, it's a small expense. Just those that that's the only uh

[2:54] » and that information is all outlined in the budget as far as where it's coming

[2:58] from. It's it was part of the budget that was approved,

[3:01] » right? I know that it what what I what I don't know is how much is in there and

[3:07] like how big of a dent this makes that that's all just just because of those

[3:10] uncertainties. It makes it hard to uh and we want to be there. We know you

[3:13] know that information. It's just helpful for us. That's all. Thank you.

[3:16] » Yeah. And then I can report that the used park equipment that we sold on

[3:21] public surplus ended up bringing in about 21,000.

[3:25] So it'll offset some of this cost as well.

[3:30] » Okay. Oh, wait. Last. Is this Is this new used? I don't I don't know.

[3:33] » This is new. >> Okay.

[3:37] » Okay. Well, yeah, it's Especially when it's something that's going to be used

[3:41] every day during the season, >> right?

[3:42] » I don't think we want to deal with >> No, it's just the most expensive lawn

[3:46] mower I've ever seen. That's [laughter] >> Well, you're not

[3:51] I just I can't handle it. That's >> the one it's replacing, if we bought the

[3:55] same model, would be probably 150,000. Wow. Lawnmowers went up.

[4:01] » It's a bigger one. >> Okay. Well, just as I get clarification

[4:04] on those things, I'll be more in supportive. Until I can, I can't make

[4:07] those decisions on such a big cost. So, >> so with that being said, I'll entertain

[4:11] a motion. >> I'm to approve the consent calendar as

[4:15] noted. >> Is there a second? Okay. It's been moved

[4:18] by Councilman um Rmler, seconded by Councilwoman Haniman. Um let's proceed

[4:22] with the roll call vote starting from Councilman Young.

[4:25] » Uh Andrew Young, no. >> Chris, yes. No.

[4:28] » Oh. Oh, sorry. >> I'm sorry. Brent, can you

[4:32] » Brent Rumler? Yes. >> Sarah Blackwell. Yes.

[4:35] » Chris Anamman. Yes. >> Okay. Motion passes. Let's move forward

[4:40] with public comment. We will start with Julie Scott,

[4:47] followed by Isabelle Squires.

[4:55] » How long would you like these comments to be, Mayor? Uh, let's see. Probably

[4:59] two minutes. We've got a lot on the >> state's

[5:12] » on the base on the microphone. Yeah. >> No, it doesn't.

[5:20] » Oh, it's on the back. >> Ah, wonderful. Thank you.

[5:25] » All right. I'm I'm here for to talk about the stop putting in the stop signs

[5:30] up on Grove Drive and Alpine Boulevard. Um,

[5:36] did I say that right? >> Yes. Anyway, [snorts] I we've my parents

[5:40] have lived here almost 50 years and um I was here for my high school years and

[5:47] and at that time Grove Drive ended just a little bit above. But now there's so

[5:52] many houses up there and so many people. It's become a thoroughfare. I mean,

[5:56] that's the way to get out of Alpine. And so, there's so much more traffic coming

[6:01] down that road. And I noticed that there are only two spots on Grove Drive coming

[6:07] down where there's a cross, like a four-way cross, and that's one of them.

[6:12] The other one's down here on the main area. So, I really think that it is a

[6:18] good proposal to to put in a four-way stop, put in the sidewalks, um put in

[6:24] crosswalks. I know as since I've been here the last three years have helping

[6:28] my parents, I have seen children walking and biking and and adults too um on that

[6:36] road and crossing the road. And I know our ward is on both sides. So, these

[6:41] kids have friends on both sides and they're crossing that. I think it's

[6:44] really important and I'm voting for it. Thank you.

[6:48] » Would you say your name again? I missed. >> I'm Julie Scott.

[6:52] » What street do you live? >> Um, and I live on Moy Drive. So, we come

[6:55] off Moy Drive and go right up there and and take either one either go straight

[7:00] and down or go down Grove Drive. So, that's that's a road that we go down a

[7:04] lot. >> Thank you very much.

[7:06] » So, thank you. >> Isabelle Squires followed by Elizabeth

[7:09] Wilson.

[7:14] Hello, my name is Isabelle Squires from 999 Grove Drive. Um, I am a part of

[7:20] Mountainville's Mountainville Academy student council. When I found out that

[7:23] you were not letting us park at the park, I was sad because I love going to

[7:26] the park to hang out with my friends and play on the playground while I wait for

[7:29] my mom to pick me up. If you're worried about safety, the park is the safest

[7:33] place to go. It's a big open space, so it's easier to find your parents' car.

[7:37] You can see almost any car anywhere in the park. And if you're on the grass,

[7:41] you are safe from any vehicle like cars or bikes. On rainy days, it's nice to be

[7:44] able to go into the gazebo or or into the pavilion to be sheltered from the

[7:48] rain. At our school, we focus on the seven habits. Think win-win is one of

[7:52] them. To think win-win is when two or more people have different ideas and

[7:56] they combine them so everyone gets what they want and are happy by working

[7:59] together to get an outcome that everybody likes. Do you think the city

[8:02] did that? They didn't ask us about our opinion about the traffic. If they would

[8:06] have told us nicely that they had issues with what we were doing, we could have

[8:09] come up with a better solution, maybe we could still work out a solution. I love

[8:13] going to the park for pickup during school. I look forward to going to the

[8:16] park after school. Going to the park is the highlight of my day, so I hope you

[8:20] take that into consideration. >> Thank you. [applause]

[8:26] Okay, after Elizabeth, we'll um hear from Julian Julianne Rally.

[8:32] » Okay. Thank you. My name is Elizabeth Willis. I live on May Circle and I came

[8:38] to city council about a year ago with um concerns that there was not a school

[8:46] speed limit sign as you approach the school from the south in Mountainville.

[8:50] And I'm just so happy. I'm really grateful that that has been amended um

[8:54] because I even spoke with a state representative about that. So really

[8:58] happy about that. I do love the crosswalk change. I think it's just such

[9:02] a huge safety improvement. I have kids that go to Mountainville. Um, I will say

[9:07] I do think it would really help alleviate traffic if we had the ability

[9:12] to go to the park. Those individuals that come to the school from the north,

[9:17] then you're catching them before they come south all the way to the school and

[9:21] having to come and contribute to that congestion. So, I will say I do think

[9:26] that that could be tweaked again with being able to go and alleviate some of

[9:29] that traffic and get some of that up north instead of the congestion right

[9:33] there on Main Street. But I do really appreciate the safety improvements for

[9:38] my kids. So, thank you so much. >> Thank you,

[9:41] » Mayor. There there was a sign there. We actually just took it down. So, maybe

[9:46] the new design is more visible. So, that's great.

[9:48] » Yeah.

[9:52] the last two years and it wasn't

[10:06] » typ typically the officers let us know um that check with that work the

[10:10] crossing guards if there's an issue because we go work on them all the time.

[10:13] It seems like we're at Westfield Road all the time. So that's one we had never

[10:17] heard about not working. Okay.

[10:23] Okay. We've got and then after um after Julianne we will

[10:30] have Addie Squires. >> Okay.

[10:33] » All right. Hi, I'm Julianne Rally and I live on Ponderosa Drive. I am an over

[10:38] 13-year resident of um Alpine and I am an also a 13-year

[10:44] um employee at Mountainville Academy. So, I have two loves and I want to see

[10:49] both um I want to see a win-win with this um parking situation. So, first I

[10:54] want to I want to say um I want to add and say that I love the new crosswalk.

[10:59] That is brilliant and I think it's going to help a ton. I really love it that um

[11:06] and I love the new signs and flashing lights. I feel like it makes our school

[11:10] safer and our students safer and that is my number one goal. I love my students

[11:14] and I love um all of the students at Mountainville Academy and I want to keep

[11:18] them safe and I want to um as a staff we've all we're constantly talking about

[11:24] traffic and what we can do to you know we talk about ideas and things and so we

[11:29] want a win-win there. I have my neighbors who come and talk to me and

[11:33] they're like I hate the traffic and so I love that you're working on it and and

[11:38] and I want to fully support that. Um my biggest thing is I read the report that

[11:44] came out um earlier this year about uh recommending Legacy Park to be a drop

[11:51] off and pickup solution for students. And I also read that there were concerns

[11:56] about safety, but I feel like it is one of the safest

[12:00] option. We've had that option for what is it 17 18 years and there haven't been

[12:05] any incidents. it has been a safe option for students and to help alleviate

[12:11] traffic. I think it's a really excellent solution. I would love to see you bring

[12:14] that back. Um and

[12:19] Oh, my phone doesn't want to work. Um but I do want to um I have 10 seconds.

[12:25] Okay. I think that's the biggest thing is just please reopen and visit it. I

[12:29] feel like it's safe. I think it's a win-win. It'll help alleviate traffic

[12:32] and I really think that I see Tuesday

[12:38] » and I see traffic there and I think we can make it again. Thank

[12:43] » we'll have Addie Squires followed by Monica Ship.

[12:49] » Thank you Isabelle. That was really brave. Oh, Addy Squires also 999 Grove

[12:54] Drive. That was really brave and thanks for reminding us that we need to seek a

[12:57] win-win here. I think that Mountainville had tried to do that by joining a task

[13:03] force on safety and traffic. And so I think it's unfortunate from what I hear

[13:08] that the city made these decisions unilaterally

[13:12] sort of in an overnight ambush right before school started. And that's

[13:16] exhibiting the win-lose mentality. Okay. And as has already been mentioned, it's

[13:22] asinine to ask the city residents from the north to join the traffic to the

[13:26] south and use the red pine option. Uh we were communicated with by the school

[13:32] that that's where you want to move the traffic. So even though you might say,

[13:35] "Oh, the kids can still play at the park." You're communicating we want to

[13:38] move the pickup from the park to Red Pines. Now, the traffic report said that

[13:44] the city suggested red pines as an option and they evaluated it and they

[13:49] said, "Well, sure, okay, but if you're going to do it, you have to do it with a

[13:53] trial period, with communication, collaboration, cooperation."

[13:58] None of that was done, right? You just threw up those signs. And I mean, I have

[14:02] questions about how that works because according to my understanding, the mi

[14:05] the municipal code requires that the governing body direct the placement of

[14:11] parking signs. And I've had communication from the council that

[14:14] there was no council action taken to put up those temporary signs out there. Um,

[14:20] and so I would ask you to follow your own rules and take the action properly.

[14:24] And finally, you know, city parks hold a historic place uh in our constitutional

[14:30] rights as places to gather to peaceibly assemble and enjoy freedom of speech and

[14:36] their public spaces. And that's why I prefer to park there. I don't want to

[14:39] park in front of a neighbor's house. I'd rather park in front of my city hall.

[14:42] So, I respectfully ask that you reconsider the placement of those

[14:46] parking signs. And maybe Andrew, I'm not sure how this works, but if we could

[14:50] take a second and clarify, you know, and >> thank you for your time. I appreciate

[14:55] it. >> If we could have Monica Ship followed by

[14:59] Karen Mson. >> Is this I actually don't know the

[15:03] process and is this clarified or is this something we have to do in closed

[15:06] meeting to ask what the actual process is for uh uh us to make decisions on

[15:12] putting up signs or not? I I read the email, but it was unclear. Let's talk

[15:16] about this after. Yeah, this is public comment. It's not a public discussion.

[15:20] It's public comment. So, let's let them have that time.

[15:23] » Sorry, >> Monica.

[15:24] » Hi, I'm Monica Ship. I live on 1270 North Grove Drive. Um I'm here to talk

[15:29] about the um road improvements on Grove Drive from Alpine Boulevard to I believe

[15:35] Heritage Hills. And um as many of the council members have heard, we had a

[15:40] child hit there about five weeks ago on their baptism day. They went over there

[15:45] on a bike and got hit by uh by a car. They broke their femur, had a

[15:49] concussion, blood everywhere. Um it was not a good good good situation for him.

[15:54] He is recovering and doing better and we hope he continues to recover. But um I

[15:59] live just I am that house right north of that intersection and I have five little

[16:03] kids of bike riding age that will be utilizing that street for the eternities

[16:08] to come because we are not planning to move. Um, and so the concern here isn't

[16:12] really that people are driving faster than the 25 miles per hour, which they

[16:16] are. Not only the residents, but we have countless uh dump trucks just zooming up

[16:22] there. Um, trades people going up there. We had people just r uh running over

[16:27] there to get to Lambert Park as fast as they can to get on the trails. Um, we

[16:32] understand that the city has conducted um previous studies to see if a four-way

[16:37] stop sign is warranted and it wasn't warranted then, but since that study was

[16:41] conducted, I believe 2022, maybe 2023, um, uh, we have had significant uh,

[16:47] growth in the population just north of Grove Drive. Um, and so I am hoping that

[16:53] we don't wait for another child or pedestrian or honestly a car accident to

[16:58] happen, which I've witnessed this morning on my way back from uh dropping

[17:01] my kids off from school. Two cars almost collided at that intersection because

[17:04] they could not see each other um coming up from the both hills that are at that

[17:08] intersection. So, I would ask you to please reconsider a four-way stop sign.

[17:14] And then I know that the city has talked about curbs and gutters on North Grove

[17:18] Drive. to prioritize that um for the kids going up there on their bikes and

[17:22] um in the immediate time that this traffic study is

[17:29] » Thank you, Julie. >> Traffic calming measures. So, thank you.

[17:34] » Thank you, Monica. Um Karen Mson followed by Michelle Shamway.

[17:42] » Hi, my name is Karen Mudson. I have a child who goes to Mountainville Academy.

[17:48] I am Am I speaking out of turn?

[17:52] » Okay. Um, so I came I actually live in Pleasant Grove. I don't live in Alpine,

[17:57] but having a son who comes to Mountainville and hopefully three more

[18:01] children right behind him coming to Mountainville wanted to come and address

[18:06] uh the topic of traffic. And um I believe that it would be in everyone's

[18:11] best interest if we can get traffic off of Main Street because that blocks the

[18:15] city residents access that blocks um the the parents coming from neighboring

[18:21] cities like myself. And so if we can increase the um access that the children

[18:28] have to Mountain, one solution that I thought of comes from my hometown of

[18:33] Sandy, Utah, where Sunrise Elementary School, the students could only access

[18:38] through a very congested neighborhood. And so my parents helped to get an

[18:43] easement of a sidewalk put in to allow the kids to walk through um in between

[18:50] two home residences so that they could walk to another area to be picked up

[18:56] there. And I think that this would work well on either 200 South or over to Red

[19:02] Pines, but the faster that that parents can be picking up their students, the

[19:07] less congestion there will be on Main Street. and Red Pine is too close to

[19:11] that traffic circle to get traffic moving. So, the more that you could even

[19:17] move up toward Legacy Park as been as has been talked about or to the backside

[19:22] of Mountainville, if there's even a sidewalk, that would help the children

[19:27] be able to get out of Mountainville to another road safely. That's all. Thank

[19:33] you. >> Thank you.

[19:36] Okay, Michelle. Excuse [clears throat] me. Michelle Shamway, followed by our

[19:40] last um commenter, Sarah. I am going to slaughter your name. I'm sorry.

[19:46] » Zistra. >> Zilstra.

[19:48] » Zilstra. Sorry about that. Um, so my name is Michelle Shemway. I

[19:54] live on 197 Hawthorne Court. And you guys probably remember I came before to

[19:58] speak about golf carts. And I just wanted to readress it and see if you had

[20:02] thought more about it. Um, I still feel really strongly that this is a really

[20:06] good thing for our community. And after hearing all these things addressed about

[20:10] traffic and things like that, I just can't help but feel like golf carts

[20:14] could honestly be a solution. Like, you know, a lot of residents in Alpine have

[20:18] golf carts and it could actually slow down traffic and be a safer way for drop

[20:22] offs and pickups. And um, I feel safer in my golf cart than I do riding a bike.

[20:27] So, I just feel like it's safe and I feel like um maybe I was thinking of

[20:32] proposing like a trial period. You could do like a 30-day trial period and see

[20:35] how it goes or something like that. Just an idea I just thought of before this

[20:39] meeting, but just wanted to um readress it. So, thank you so much for your time.

[20:44] » Thank you. Um Sarah,

[20:54] hi. I live on Campfire Circle just down the street. Um, and to add to Michelle's

[21:01] comment about golf carts. Um, we feel the exact same way. She kind of went

[21:05] over the safety issues or the safety reasons why um, we want them, but um,

[21:12] our mine is more like memories with my kids. Like I want to be able to ride my

[21:16] or take my six-year-old to his baseball game at Westville down the street like

[21:20] to the gas station. like memories small city feel like we don't have any stop

[21:25] sign or stop lights like it just kind of slows everything down and just makes

[21:29] everything um fun for the kids, fun for us. We get

[21:34] outside, we have fresh air, we don't have to jump in a car all the time. Um

[21:39] it's just a really fun thing for our family and I know it's a big thing for a

[21:42] lot of other families that have special needs kids that take them out in the

[21:46] neighborhood to interact with other kids. like that's how they get out and

[21:48] interact and um something they look forward to. And um yeah, we just really

[21:54] miss being able to ride them around and um socializing, the socialization that

[21:59] it brings into the community and the fun memories that we're able to make with

[22:04] our kids. Thanks.

[22:06] » Thank you, Michelle. Okay, let's move on to item five, which is

[22:12] reports and presentations. Um, who's doing the report on the golf

[22:17] carts and the fiber survey? >> That would be me, mayor.

[22:21] » Okay,

[22:26] » zoom out of this. So, perfect segue from the last two

[22:30] comments into this. Um, so as as everyone knows or should know,

[22:36] we did a general information survey in the month of July regarding golf carts

[22:41] and internet fiber. Um, so this is just kind of the the results of that.

[22:47] So I'll just go through it. Um, we asked five questions with the golf carts, one

[22:51] about the fiber. The first question we asked about golf carts was how

[22:55] supportive are you of allowing golf carts to operate on designated public

[22:58] streets within the city? And this was the result from the respondents. we had

[23:05] uh a good amount strongly support um and an even greater amount that some would

[23:10] oppose or strongly oppose uh golf carts and we'll get into the reasons why but

[23:14] that's just the the raw numbers on that. Uh question two was what do you believe

[23:20] are the primary benefits of allowing golf carts in your community? Select all

[23:24] that apply. And so you can see the gray here is other which we'll get into those

[23:27] comments and then these others that go around the pie chart. Uh the red is no

[23:32] clear benefits. So these were obviously the people that didn't think golf carts

[23:35] were a good idea. And then these are other uh responses that people could

[23:38] fill out. Neighborhood mobility, recreation, environmental benefits,

[23:42] reduce traffic congestion.

[23:46] And you can see there's a lot of numbers here that more than the amount of people

[23:50] that took the survey. We had about 650 people that took the survey, but that's

[23:55] because they can answer multiple answers on this. Same with this one. Uh, what

[24:00] concerns do you have about allowing golf carts on public roads? Select all that

[24:05] apply. So, the gray is the other column as well, which has people filled in

[24:09] comments on that one. Uh, the orange here is no concerns. So, as you can see,

[24:13] most people had some level of concern. I think even the the people that favor

[24:17] golf carts were were admitted that there might be some concerns that they wanted

[24:22] to to address there. Um, concerns such as driver behavior was was the biggest

[24:28] one. uh road sharing confluence traffic

[24:31] accidents are some of the big ones. Um the fourth question was just where

[24:37] you live. So you can see there's a wide sample here. This is just one page. So I

[24:40] put etc here. We had people from all over the city responding to this and you

[24:44] can see that in the raw data if you if you follow the link. And then the last

[24:49] question was just what is your age? Um and so most people that responded were

[24:53] were 45 or older to this survey.

[24:59] Um, so yeah, the other information that I was referring to before, I can zoom in

[25:04] a little bit on this. So there were 168 people that selected other, there were

[25:10] 166 total write in answers. So for question two that was about the

[25:14] benefits, we had 26 people talk about the benefits of golf carts and 140

[25:19] people talk about the concerns with golf carts on public roads. So that equals

[25:24] the 166 respondents. However, we looked at the data a little

[25:29] bit closer and what we found was that a lot of people that actually clicked on

[25:33] the benefits other question actually filled out a concern. So that benefit

[25:38] number went down to eight. Uh and the 139 of the responses were regarding

[25:43] concerns. And then the other responses that were there, the 19 that were there

[25:48] were more neutral or related to just policy suggestions.

[25:52] So you can see in that table that that still equals the 166 uh respondents.

[25:57] So I'll click on this link. This shows the the data that we did to make sure

[26:02] that this is accurate what I'm saying right now. So

[26:06] so we have for example one the question two primary benefits what the person

[26:11] actually said was safety concerns greatly outweigh the benefits of my

[26:14] mind. So we reclassified that as a concern.

[26:19] uh or such as this one. This was clicked on as a benefit by the by the

[26:23] respondent, but they actually said too many disobedient teenagers in town. So,

[26:26] it's actually a concern. So, we just filled that out. Made sure that was

[26:30] actually classified according to what the people were saying.

[26:36] Let me go back to this now.

[26:41] [clears throat]

[26:44] Okay. Um and then I just had a word cloud made here. That was like the main

[26:50] words that we found in the since concerns were the biggest response that

[26:53] we got uh on those other responses. Uh this world word word cloud came out as

[27:00] as these words the main words used driver age kid cart because the main

[27:06] concern was definitely underage driving was what we found. So those are the most

[27:10] used words. All right. And then the last question

[27:14] like I said there was just one question about fiber that we had in the survey.

[27:17] So, we said, "How likely is it that you would switch to Centricom Fiber from

[27:20] Comcast if it was available as an option in Alpine City?" And these were the

[27:24] results of that.

[27:29] » Shane and I have been working with the new president of Centriccom to um see if

[27:34] they would come into our city. Since I've been mayor, I've been trying to

[27:37] excuse [clears throat] me, especially after the pandemic, realizing the need

[27:41] for our residents to get reliable and consistent um fast-speed internet. Um,

[27:47] as you guys all well know, we only have one provider in our city and um I've had

[27:52] a lot of complaints from our residents that their rates keep getting hyped up,

[27:56] their um connection isn't reliable. And so we have spoken with many many

[28:02] different fiber providers throughout the years, but Centriccom is the one that

[28:07] has come the furthest. They um they kind of specialize in smaller cities. Um we

[28:12] had another meeting a couple of weeks ago um with Highland City also try to

[28:17] entice them to come in and it looks like it's looking pretty good. what they need

[28:22] from um our residents is to do if they're not getting reliable um fast

[28:29] speed internet. What we're finding is what Comcast reported to the government

[28:34] as far as the speeds that they're providing is that they're according to

[28:38] the government and Comcast our map shows that

[28:42] most of our residents are being serviced by one gig or more. But when I talk to

[28:47] residents and have them do actual speed tests, there's one that's paying for one

[28:52] gig and the speed that they're getting is like 211, which is not even, you

[28:58] know, a fourth of what they should be getting for download speeds or upload

[29:02] speeds. Um, so Centric, what it is, it's fiber to the home. So you have your own

[29:08] fiber connection. Their infrastructure allows up to 11 gigs per line or, you

[29:14] know, per connection. But um their general I believe one gig up and down um

[29:21] their rate is about $74 and it hasn't changed much throughout the years. They

[29:26] don't do the practice of raising your rates every six month six to 12 months.

[29:30] Um I feel like you know if we can get somebody else to come in it's better for

[29:34] our residents whenever there's a competitive market. So that's why I

[29:38] needed some data to give to them what the temperature was of with our

[29:42] residents because most of our residents are on that single

[29:47] provider. Um they needed to know if there was a market that was available to

[29:51] them. So that's why I asked Heidi since we were already doing one on the golf

[29:55] carts that we um attached this to the end so that we can um see what the

[29:59] temperature is of our residents. >> I would have responded but my internet

[30:03] was too slow. [laughter] Is there a is there an infrastructure

[30:07] cost to that to the city? >> Not to the city. No,

[30:10] » that's why it's good. And they want to come in to the ones that are the most

[30:14] underserved because I think they feel like the people that aren't getting

[30:17] reliable internet are more likely to um you know go with them. And so that's

[30:23] they want to see high success and be able to justify going more into our

[30:27] city. They're already here. They service um city hall. They will be servicing the

[30:33] fire station. They service all the schools in the city. So they do have a

[30:37] backbone. >> If they were to come, do they have to

[30:42] tear up our roads? >> No, they go into behind they do it um

[30:48] it's in our rightway, but they do it behind the sidewalk

[30:52] kind of like what um is it Utopia? I believe Utopia Fiber also does that. And

[30:57] it's nice because they're not tearing up our roads. They're not doing the micro

[31:00] trenching. um and you know if they can they'll try to utilize our overhead

[31:05] lines which makes it much more um cost-effective for them but no there is

[31:11] not an infrastructure cost to us which is huge because most of the fiber

[31:15] companies I've met with wanted a2 to4 million

[31:19] um outlay from us well and actually it was two million back before it was right

[31:25] about the pandemic times when all the prices started going up.

[31:30] Okay. Anything else? >> Nope. That is it. I'll just say because

[31:33] Heidi wanted me to make sure I communicated this. Um, oh, so yeah,

[31:37] here's the source for the raw data for anyone who wants to look at the actual

[31:40] raw data. The survey, Heidi wanted to make sure I communicated that this is a

[31:43] statistically valid survey based on how we conducted it. Um, it was put in the

[31:47] news line in early July. It ran for about three weeks to July 1 to July 5th

[31:53] to around um, you know, mid July. Um there were two to three social media

[31:58] posts about this that she put out. Uh it was emailed to every email we have for

[32:02] the utility building. So about 200 households or more. Um like I said we

[32:07] had over 600 responses to it and the survey was filtered so that only one

[32:13] response could be given per device. So I just wanted to put that information out

[32:17] there >> which is I mean that's a huge response

[32:19] pool for a small city like our size. I think um when I told when I was telling

[32:24] them about the survey results, they were surprised that we had so many

[32:27] respondents.

[32:30] » Okay. >> You just want us to go one by one

[32:32] quickly on them. >> No, that's just the results. Is there if

[32:36] you if you have questions about it, you can look at the raw data or you can

[32:38] » Well, just a couple comments. Did you want to go though, Brent? I will you

[32:42] » No, I Sarah doesn't I I'll go quick then.

[32:44] » The um Thanks for doing it. That's awesome. The uh I'm looking at golf

[32:49] carts like fireworks. Like the reason fireworks are dangerous is because the

[32:53] environment we're in is like high fire. >> Um

[32:56] » Okay. Um >> Well, no. I was just going to say no.

[32:58] Okay. Hold on just a second. And it's really quick.

[33:00] » This isn't a discussion. This is a presentation that he made. If you have

[33:05] something that you want >> to let him want to know what to do next,

[33:07] what to do next. So, >> if you want to pursue it, then it's the

[33:11] same thing as anything else. Get another council person to get it on the agenda.

[33:16] » Right. >> But this is just a

[33:17] » We're not We're not going to discuss it at all. not not discuss it at all.

[33:21] » No, we're moving on. >> Okay. The the

[33:24] » discussion will be if you want to bring it back to a

[33:27] » Well, it's it's not it's just one thing with the study. That's all I was going

[33:29] to say. I'll just say it quick. The study, everyone is against kids driving

[33:33] golf carts. In the study, though, it wasn't clear that kids would not be

[33:36] allowed to drive golf carts. So, most of the people saying that they don't like

[33:41] them. We're all in agreement. We don't want kids to drive golf carts. as I

[33:45] talked to them, they didn't understand this was a survey for only adults with

[33:49] driver's license to drive golf carts. So, there's just one loophole. So, so

[33:53] the people that are for this who have been pushing for this, you might want to

[33:57] do a little more education for the folks and let them know what this actually was

[34:02] and then maybe come back at it because I know this was your this was this the

[34:07] genesis was you and so they didn't understand that. So, just that was all.

[34:11] Thank you and thank you for doing the fiber. I think that's I think it's gonna

[34:14] help. >> Okay. Financial report, Shane.

[34:18] [clears throat] >> Yeah. So, we're we're just one month

[34:20] into our our new budget year. Uh but we did uh get our last sales tax uh

[34:27] allocation for FY26, which put us about 2.76%

[34:33] uh increase over the previous year. Uh so, it's good to see some growth there.

[34:39] um uh the books were closed after we received this last week. Um Dave

[34:44] finalized that and we're actually moving into our audit um next week. So he had

[34:49] that all kind of teed up and it's actually pretty much unheard of to do

[34:54] that. Um but Dave Dave does a great job with it. So um you only being one month

[35:00] in, we have we've expended some funds. If you go through and look at insurance,

[35:05] it might say 80% or something like that, but it's 8% through the budget year, but

[35:09] it's front-loaded, so don't get concerned with those type things.

[35:15] Uh, the largest project in our budget is well underway, um, the fire station. And

[35:20] so, we'll start seeing regular monthly uh, payments, you know, in the 250,000

[35:26] range, probably sometimes more depending on equipment and things. But, um, It's

[35:32] going well so far. So, um, any questions

[35:38] related to the financial report? It's pretty brief, one month in.

[35:43] » Anybody have questions? Okay. Thank you, Shane. Let's move on to

[35:50] um report on the CWPP.

[35:55] Chief, are you doing that or is Chief Beck?

[35:58] » Okay.

[36:12] I'm going to talk about CWP. Essentially, the CWPP

[36:16] coincides with our CWS that we that we go through every year, which is our

[36:22] cooperative wildfire agreement, which essentially

[36:26] says that we are going to play ball with the state. And what what

[36:33] we do for our CWS is we keep a current CWPP.

[36:38] We have a monetary cost based on um essentially our threat level which we

[36:47] t we do in kind work. Um so things like equipment purchases and engine purchases

[36:55] and and also mitigation projects, anything like that, we count that

[36:59] towards the cost of of the CWS. And what the CWS really gives us is

[37:08] I I would I would refer to it as more of an insurance. If we have a fire that

[37:12] starts in Alpine proper and goes to state or federal or if it stays in

[37:17] Alpine proper, if if Lambert Park, which is completely in Alpine City, caught on

[37:22] fire, if that fire gets big enough to where we

[37:26] have resources that come in and that fire gets delegated, the state is going

[37:30] to take on the cost of that fire. So if you know back to 2012, we have that fire

[37:36] again. We've got VLATs coming. I mean, one VLAT drop is going to be

[37:41] a million dollars, right? And that's why fires cost so much money. And

[37:46] essentially what that does is protect us from

[37:49] protect you rather from having to have that

[37:54] cost. So the CWP is something that we keep current all the time. Um what you

[38:01] have in your packet I believe is probably somewhere in the neighborhood

[38:05] of 91 pages long. Um we opted rather than to just fill out the state template

[38:12] to really put in a very detailed um CWPP plan.

[38:19] um so that we can also use this to hopefully fund some grant requests and

[38:27] help with the mitigation efforts in both Alpine and Highland.

[38:31] With the the old CWPP, um it became very apparent quickly that

[38:37] nobody's going to give us a bunch of money if we don't have a plan. So the

[38:40] CWPP, the community wildfire protection plan is what is required and it needs to

[38:45] be a robust plan that's detailed and and really lines out what we are going to do

[38:51] if the state or the federal government or anybody gives us money.

[38:58] » So how soon um can we start going for these grants for the mitigation or

[39:04] » I would assume right now. We have all the signatures. CWPP's been put back,

[39:10] given back to the state. So, I would think that it's official and we just

[39:14] need to figure out what grants are out there. And

[39:17] » well, what about the grant that um Draper got um to do all their wildlife

[39:23] or wildland mitigation work that came down into Alpine on the northwest

[39:28] corner? Um is there any way that we can go for grant that will continue that

[39:32] work along the northern border and then if eventually the east um the eastern

[39:38] border of our city >> as long as that northern and eastern

[39:41] border are not forest >> right

[39:45] » that was a state grant >> right the northern side it's mostly

[39:48] owned by the city right it's um public open space and so when I talked to the

[39:54] » that's the place that we could >> when I talked to is it Mike is that his

[39:57] name when I talked to Mike I said that's all city property and we give you

[40:01] permission to do mitigation work. Um the east um border of Alpine is a little bit

[40:08] more difficult but it's mostly private own private land owners and I think they

[40:12] would be amendable um once we get that grant money or if we need to get their

[40:16] permission and we can go around and start doing that also but the sooner we

[40:20] can get working on that the better. >> Absolutely. We just need a grant writer.

[40:27] We know of one. >> Good.

[40:31] » We have to pay him. But yes, we do know of one.

[40:34] » Well, we we have a little bit of money. We Did you get the first submission we

[40:38] got? Did that go to you or Justice Shane?

[40:41] » No, I was copied on it. >> Were was it good?

[40:46] » Well, I don't He's the boss of the fire brigade.

[40:50] » Did you like it? >> We'll talk.

[40:53] » Why don't you We pitch the first one to do is Lambert. basically all the homes

[40:57] on Lambert on our trail to get rid of all of the fire problems. I thought it

[41:02] was good. >> Okay.

[41:03] » I think we ought to change our name to fire brigade.

[41:05] » There you go. Do you guys have any >> I like it. Well, whatever.

[41:08] » Do you have any questions? >> Well, just whenever you have one

[41:11] » regarding the CWPP. >> Uh, we love it.

[41:15] » I don't I don't have any regarding the CWP. I did notice in there that they

[41:19] commended, you know, three falls for their mitigation work. And would it be

[41:22] possible either for Jason Jones or Chief Beck or yourself to come and speak to

[41:27] like have a community education night and go over what's worked really well

[41:31] for Three Falls and how we can translate that into other community subdivisions

[41:36] and >> Yeah, absolutely.

[41:38] » Would you be the one or should I reach out to Jason?

[41:41] » No, I think Jason would be the one. He's he's the one that's been either

[41:44] facilitating or recommending the work that's being done up there. So,

[41:48] » okay. Jason or or I mean we've worked a lot with with Jason to try to make sure

[41:53] that we're I mean we want to know what's being done so that because there are

[41:57] there are parts of that work that's being done that we can tie into if we

[42:01] had an event up there. So we're very much want to be a part of it. Not so

[42:06] much the work but as far as knowing what the resources are up there.

[42:11] » Okay. >> Yeah. So like all the people that I know

[42:12] up at Three Falls, they've done their own mitigation work and Jason has kind

[42:16] of guided them and kind of gave them hints like oh you know this is what you

[42:20] want to do not like a complete fire line. He's kind of in line with what the

[42:24] um Forest Service >> and um what the state and the county

[42:28] level have kind of suggested with that and that's what they're working on is

[42:31] basically clearing the dead fall, thinning it out.

[42:34] » So it's more the private property owners up there that have been doing it and

[42:37] Jason's just kind of been helping. The only thing that has not been done by the

[42:41] um private property owners was the leftover money that was given to Draper

[42:44] to do the fire mitigation when they were going around the perimeter of their city

[42:49] was that there was extra monies and so they used it to come down and kind of

[42:54] met up with three falls and did a little bit to that. So coming down that there's

[42:58] been fire mitigation done on um Draper side and then where it meets Alpine and

[43:04] it comes down into Alpine but then the money ran out. So if there is a

[43:08] potential like on the east side that's more privately owned like if we get

[43:12] grant money we would focus primarily on the north city property and then if

[43:17] there's extra we could we can help >> private res

[43:22] none of it went into private residents. >> Okay.

[43:24] » It's all on city property. >> Okay. That was my

[43:27] » there was some access through private property um just to get access so that

[43:33] they didn't have to come up and over the mountain every single time especially

[43:35] when they were getting closer that they did ask for access and we work with

[43:39] private property owners to be able to use their drives to get to an area so

[43:44] that it wouldn't take them hours to get to where they needed to be.

[43:48] » Okay. Thanks. And I just have one last question in here. It talks about

[43:52] specific subdivisions that are, you know, have a higher higher

[43:58] risk or would you just classify those as like along the interface and the benches

[44:03] or are there other subdivisions that are not bordering wilderness or on the

[44:09] higher elevations that would also be considered

[44:13] high risk? Um, right off the top of my head, we do have a couple, at least one

[44:18] that I can think of that is not necessarily bordering the urban

[44:21] interface that is internal, if you will. >> Okay.

[44:24] » It's not right on the border pushing up against the foothills that is for sure a

[44:29] high risk. >> Okay. Maybe I'll just email you. I'm

[44:32] just curious what where they are, you know, if there's a way we can target

[44:36] target some education towards those specific areas, those communities.

[44:41] Right. Yeah. That's >> and and the CWPP that is part of part of

[44:45] the CWPP is the education component. It also brings into you know evacuation and

[44:51] how we get information out. And so when you know going through this and doing

[44:55] our tabletops and everything that we did leading through this, we had police, we

[45:00] had city officials. Um, yeah, it's it's a it's a lot of people when you start

[45:07] looking at a if we were to have a huge event for us to be prepared.

[45:12] » Yeah, I got to participate in that or attend the tabletop. That was really

[45:15] interesting. So, thank you. >> My um Kaden, would you mind scrolling

[45:21] down to page 149 of this document? Of course, me being a visual person, I love

[45:27] these maps or hated them one way, however you look at it. Could you just

[45:31] put this into layman's terms about the the risk that we all live with daily?

[45:36] [laughter]

[45:39] » Well, you see the red, >> that's the wildfire risk in Alpine. So,

[45:44] Alpine C currently sits at I want to say 98

[45:49] point something percent of cities in this country when it comes to wildfire

[45:55] risk. Meaning 98% of this country has less wildfire risk than Alpine.

[46:00] So what that red is is is wildfire risk. Alpine has is a beautiful city that has

[46:09] a lot of open space. It has a lot of contiguous places for fire to travel,

[46:14] which is how we outline urban interface. if a fire can move from one home to

[46:18] another or from this part of the forest to that part of the forest. And really

[46:23] urban interface is going to be one home to another. So one house house catches

[46:27] on fire, it has the ability to travel via trees, shrubs,

[46:33] those types of things. That's really how we define urban interface.

[46:37] H >> how come the north is white?

[46:41] » Those are the granit. >> Oh, okay.

[46:44] » They don't burn. There's just no Yeah, the rock.

[46:47] » We don't find out. >> Can you go down to the next one? Um, and

[46:52] I was curious about the blue here. What What makes it more

[46:58] very low? What are those places? Because because I can't interface this with like

[47:03] Google Earth, but you you probably know these by the like at the back of your

[47:07] hand. >> Um, maybe not. So, where the mouse is

[47:11] down on the bottom right there, that's Alpine.

[47:14] Okay, >> so back to our white. If we scrolled up

[47:18] and we look at that same line, the white up there on top where we've got the

[47:23] little looks kind of like a mountain range and we go down to the next one.

[47:28] So, back to the granit, very low risk of burning the granates.

[47:32] » Okay. >> So, then down here in the there, if you

[47:35] go if you go where the mouse is, that that's our city.

[47:38] » There's like our our our canyons and stuff. Yes.

[47:42] » I see. Okay. And I would assume that that lower right is going to be the top

[47:47] attemp. So back to rock, >> right? Okay. Thank you for helping me

[47:52] interpret these. I was not following this very well to be honest. Let's keep

[47:56] going down the next one. Let's see if there's anything that stands out worth

[48:00] that's noteworthy. So knowing we're down here in this lower corner. This is the

[48:04] wild. This is the lone peak. So this includes Highland Highland and Alpine.

[48:08] Is that correct? >> Yes.

[48:11] » Okay. All right.

[48:15] » So, where you see that yellow line where you know you kind of have the white

[48:18] there, that that line that wraps around is going to be your, you know, where

[48:23] your exposure score starts. >> So, in a future meeting, we will be

[48:28] presenting a with uh House Bill 48 or 41, whichever

[48:33] one mandated the new maps. >> Okay.

[48:36] » We will we will have we need to approve a five or greater. So essentially, we're

[48:42] going to draw a line through Alpine that says everything on this side of the

[48:45] line's five or higher. Everything on the side on the inside of that line's going

[48:50] to be five or lower or four or lower. >> But it could be internal like it could

[48:55] be polka dot like because we have such internal open areas.

[48:59] » No. >> No.

[49:00] » The state did not build it that way. Basically what the state did is they

[49:04] came off of the mountains and then they brought brought it down.

[49:08] » Okay. I don't exactly know how they did it.

[49:11] » How far they came in, but they came in. >> So, okay,

[49:15] » rather than poke it out, it really is just kind of an outside line,

[49:19] » which makes the CWP and some of this stuff even more important so that we can

[49:25] articulate, hey, while we may not be in your high-risk zone,

[49:31] » this is an identifiable high-risisk zone that we need some help with.

[49:36] Okay, let's just look at the last one. I don't remember if I had a question. Just

[49:41] that I needed a little bit of lay man's interpretation. Anything here?

[49:45] Suppression difficulty index. Is that because of the steepness of the slopes?

[49:49] It's >> inaccessible roads, that type of thing.

[49:51] » Yeah. No roads, right? >> Steepness. So everything on on your east

[49:55] side and even on your, >> you know, up to the granite, that's

[49:58] going to be really hard for us for us to suppress and and really anybody for that

[50:04] matter. Okay, thank you. That was very helpful.

[50:07] » And I just want to clarify. Sorry, Chief. Alpine's actually up here now.

[50:10] I'm remembering the wildlife urban ever face map. We're not down here. We're

[50:14] We're like right here. >> Yeah, that's the corner.

[50:16] » So, we're in the yellow. >> Yeah.

[50:18] » Yeah. You got a bunch. You got a lot of your yellow.

[50:21] » Moderate exposure. 30 three out of eight. Four out of eight.

[50:25] » So, you can get on the It's called the URAP, which is essentially if you just

[50:29] kind of Google Utah wildfire, it'll put you on the URAP portal. You can go into

[50:35] the URAP portal and you can put in an address. You can pull up the whole city

[50:39] and it will give you your exposure score per property.

[50:43] » Yeah. >> One of the other things because um I I

[50:47] re recently was learning more about water. There was one in here about our

[50:51] watershed. >> So um is that how is how does that

[50:55] relate is if there was a fire it would ruin all our water or like how does that

[50:58] interface? >> Okay. essentially. So when we look at

[51:02] like American Fork Canyon, you know, Dry Creek, any of these places where all of

[51:06] the water and not just our water, >> a lot of water in the north part of this

[51:11] county, >> um that all of the a potential, you

[51:16] know, if if we had a fire, you look at what happened with Beaver with their

[51:19] fire when the flooding came down and that kind of stuff. We have something

[51:22] similar, a fire that goes through American Fork Canyon, we have similar

[51:26] type of vents. We may not be able to get PI water. You know, a lot of our PI

[51:32] water comes out the stuff we're not pumping comes out of American Fork

[51:35] Canyon and maybe not Alpine, but Highland for sure. Um, but all of your

[51:41] groundwater, you put that kind of, you know, contaminants and fire and

[51:46] stuff into your groundwater. Um, we we have a a big potential for

[51:53] water contamination as well as, you know, one of the things that we saw with

[51:57] the quail fire was was flooding, right? The mudslides and and those types of

[52:03] things. >> Okay. Now that I'm still getting my

[52:05] bearings here on this map, why are you saying that we as a fire district and I

[52:10] serve on that board, we cover way up into the mountains? Like that's your

[52:14] resp like our like that's us. We cover 125 square miles. We cover clear to the

[52:20] Salt Lake border. So basically, and it's not right up the Highland Boulevard, but

[52:27] it's in around Draper now where Draper owns essentially to the Salt Lake County

[52:31] border. >> Clear up to the corner where we meet

[52:33] Wasach. And then down Wasach, we come around the face of Temp.

[52:37] » We cover a large portion of Mahogany. And

[52:41] » so what you're telling me it's much larger than our city boundary. Correct.

[52:45] » Yeah. The combined city, I believe, is 25 square miles. So, we cover

[52:52] » Well, Alpine is only eight, but with Highland, we're probably

[52:57] » in that neighborhood. >> 25. Yeah.

[53:00] » So, this square portion on the bottom is that American Fort Canyon.

[53:03] » That is our that is our coverage area. So, American Fort Canyon's actually in

[53:08] come down just a little bit. Right about there is where American Fort

[53:11] [clears throat] Canyon is. And then you've got mahogany going up and then

[53:14] the face of temp. And >> I see. So that's why it's all dark

[53:17] because lots of vegetation. Okay. I'm learning to read your maps. Thank you.

[53:21] » Not my maps. That's tutorial. Wait, why does it go down so far south? Are you

[53:26] guys still including Cedar Hills or is that

[53:29] » we still cover from the agreement with whatever agreement was it made? We still

[53:34] cover that part of the mountains. So we cover clear down to the Cedar Hills city

[53:39] border on the face of >> the mountains. Okay.

[53:42] » Interesting. >> These aren't our maps. These are also

[53:44] state maps. So, you can pull all of these maps off that URAP site.

[53:49] » Okay. >> But I won't have you to tell me what

[53:51] they mean. So, I'm really glad you went through it.

[53:52] » Call me anytime. >> Thank you.

[53:54] » A little darn work. >> Andrew, do you mind if you could talk to

[53:58] um Draper Fire Department and see who they use to write their grants and maybe

[54:03] get direction from them? >> Sure. So, if we could move forward on

[54:06] that because my understanding was that we try to go for those mitigation grants

[54:10] and we didn't get it because our CWPP wasn't um

[54:15] » robust enough >> robust enough for a lack of better and

[54:18] then that's why we went through this process. We got a grant to do the CWPP,

[54:22] hired um outside consultants, they came in um

[54:26] » this has been an 18month process. >> Yeah, it's been a long long process.

[54:29] They finally have it together. So, for me the next step would be to go after

[54:32] those grants. Yeah.

[54:35] » Thank you, Chief. >> Just need a grant writer. I didn't ask

[54:39] » Draper and see who they use for their grant writing because you want somebody

[54:43] you want somebody who knows what they're doing. And grant writing is very

[54:46] specific to each specialty, whether it's fire, playground equipment, roads,

[54:50] whatever it may be. Everybody has their things that um they know. So, if you

[54:54] could talk to them and kind of get a lead

[54:56] » and then we can move from there. Thank you. Mayor Merrill, do you mind if I ask

[55:00] a follow-up question to one of before Andrew goes? Thank you, Andrew. Um, just

[55:05] with regards to watershed, is there anything that we can or should be doing

[55:10] now to help protect our wershed in case of a fire? Is there anything we can do

[55:15] to prevent that? Besides just preventing >> our best I think our best bet is to try

[55:18] to prevent the fire. >> Okay.

[55:21] » So, I don't I don't know. I mean, >> yeah. I don't I don't know what we would

[55:25] do. >> More water. Maybe if there's less water

[55:29] to contaminate. I don't know. I'm just kidding. They're in California. They're

[55:33] doing the big >> Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it.

[55:34] » Well, hold on. I got one from the They're doing the big storage tanks at

[55:38] people's homes >> because that that is helpful to have it

[55:42] dispersed. So, anyways, it's a double one for So, I learned that uh the the

[55:47] window for doing the mitigation is not in the winter. I thought it was in the

[55:51] dead in the winter. It's from October to Novemberish, September, October. So,

[55:56] we're actually arriving in our perfect window. That was the only reason I

[55:59] submitted that project is because our windows open. Thanks for doing it with

[56:02] me, Brent. Um, so if you have projects that you would like us to do or you

[56:09] think could be urgent, we'd love to do it or I I should say I would love to do

[56:13] it uh before the winter because if we can do it this fall, then by spring and

[56:19] summer when we h if we have another year like this, we'll just be we'll be a lot

[56:24] more ready for it. So, I don't know what process you want to go through on that.

[56:27] However you want to do it, we'll follow your lead. But I'll just submit ideas.

[56:31] But if you have one you want, let us know. And we have the budget allotted

[56:34] that we put for this budget. Uh we can also start with that. Uh am I under the

[56:39] » We might want to use it for a grant writer.

[56:41] » Sure. Or grant writing. Grant. Am I under the understanding that that budget

[56:44] is just by us submitting to utilize those funds? Is that the process?

[56:49] » There there are funds allocated in the budget for

[56:52] » mitigation work. Yeah. >> Right. Okay. So, do we submit for a

[56:55] grant writer or submit for a project or an emergency or whatever he says would

[56:59] be best? Is that fair for everyone? Is that

[57:01] » that's a discussion that we need to have. Yeah. How to

[57:04] » I mean obviously we would want the input from the fire chief. He would be he's a

[57:09] subject matter expert. So, we will lean on his expertise.

[57:11] » You got to have the chief. >> Okay.

[57:13] » Okay. Well, if you have a process, let us know because currently we're a little

[57:15] bit >> we're we're it's ambiguous and we're in

[57:18] the dark as to what the process is to do fire mitigation. So, let us know what it

[57:22] is. Thank you.

[57:25] Okay, let's move on to um citizens water committee report. We have Mr. Steven

[57:31] Burroughs who has championed um conservation for our city and has done

[57:36] so much work. I've asked him to come and give a report um just to keep everyone

[57:41] updated especially the work that you did during alpine days.

[57:44] » We'll do so. Thank you for your time. We're [clears throat] twothirds of the

[57:48] way into the water year right now and a lot has happened. We especially

[57:53] appreciate the city staff, Heidi and Shelley and Carolyn and Don and Deian

[57:59] for the cooperation. Clyde uh Staer and I, we come every Monday for two hours

[58:06] and we partner with them and making calls to those who have leaks. We

[58:10] consider what uh can be done to help uh increase the uh uptake of our app and

[58:18] consider for a long term what we could be doing. So let me give you some

[58:21] statistics that will help you understand where we are and a sense of where we

[58:25] think we should be going forward. So our goal this year was to when compared to

[58:32] last year decrease total utilization by 25%.

[58:36] That's a lofty goal. Okay. Uh that sort of goal will need to continue into next

[58:42] year. So far during that twothirds of the water year through uh August 15th,

[58:50] our total water use is down uh about 11% and a little over 11% is PI only. So

[58:59] yes, we do have places where outdoor water is used culinary, but we're down

[59:06] and I think once over 10, that's good. We're moving fast and hard to the rest.

[59:12] The first few months have been a focus on education. Education around two

[59:17] things. One is the ordinances around restrictions and the guidelines around

[59:21] using and then conservation. Uh we this is an experiment in how much can we get

[59:29] in way of results with conservation education and restriction education. The

[59:35] answer is it helps. It's one of the many levers you pull to ultimately get to the

[59:41] point that the use of water doesn't exceed the supply of water. And as you

[59:47] read about what the Colorado uh river plans are, it's all about not about what

[59:54] the state's demand or need. It's all about the supply. And as we move

[59:59] forward, we're going to recommend some ways to understand what our supply is as

[1:00:05] we enter next water season so we can adjust if needs be education,

[1:00:11] restrictions, enforcement, etc. so that we don't exceed the supply. Hopefully

[1:00:18] with a good uh snow pack, the supply will be higher and it won't affect those

[1:00:23] things that we're accustomed to. Uh a couple things we're we're doing. Let me

[1:00:28] just talk about Ion water first. Ion water is an app that's made available

[1:00:33] free from the city. Um about 44% of of property owners have it. It grow it's

[1:00:40] going gradually in the 1 of June 41% of the city users had it. Um unfortunately

[1:00:48] only 39% of those who have leaks have it. The challenge is have it and use it.

[1:00:56] So, a fun story that Carla's very much aware of, uh, Clyde and I are retired,

[1:01:02] so we choose fun projects and we saw with Heidi's help Alpine Days. Who would

[1:01:08] not want to be at Alpine Days? And we got a free t-shirt. So, that made the

[1:01:13] difference. So, from 10:00 until 8:00 on Friday and on Saturday from 10 until 6,

[1:01:20] he and I manned a booth right next to uh the city booth. Now Clyde and I are

[1:01:26] business development people. So it's one of those we're proceliting basically.

[1:01:31] And Clyde knows everybody. So anyone that he knows, even about 15 yards away,

[1:01:36] if he called their name, they'd come over. Long story short, half we we

[1:01:42] talked to a hundred people about 50 of them chose to stay long enough with us

[1:01:47] to pull out their iPhones and do the steps. There's only a few steps to

[1:01:52] actually download the ion water. Okay. A major part of that is make sure they

[1:01:58] allow push notification. So if there's a leak, they would know. The other half

[1:02:03] were I've got it, but I don't know how to use it or as a partner may say,

[1:02:08] "Honey, you deleted it." So we reinstalled it. The whole idea is raise

[1:02:14] the consciousness level of what we can do personally to manage water. The next

[1:02:20] project that we've been working on, uh, like I said, since June, we've been

[1:02:23] making those calls. We're finding there's got to be a more productive way

[1:02:27] to reduce what we call leaks. Leaks in our definition are is a continuous flow

[1:02:33] of water for 24 or more hours. Think of that. We think of a broken pipe. We

[1:02:40] think of a valve that's malfunctioning. There's also the possibility that

[1:02:44] consciously or subconsciously I I allow my watering to go 24 hours or more. So

[1:02:51] we right now no one should be watering 24 hours or more. Okay. So we during the

[1:02:58] next couple months and with the help especially of of Don and Shelley we're

[1:03:02] we're doing two things. We're identifying those who and there's 608 of

[1:03:07] the there's about 12% of all the meters out there that there is a leak as per

[1:03:12] that definition. Okay. Half of that is 10 gallons or more an hour. All right.

[1:03:20] So about a third of that uh 608 have a problem. Okay. So you take 10 x 24* 7*

[1:03:29] 30 it adds up fast. Okay. um some and so our goal is that our goal is a couple

[1:03:36] fold. One is we'd like that number of 608 to be less than 500 by the time the

[1:03:42] the water uh year ends. And we'd like as many people as possible, especially for

[1:03:48] PI to be notified and take action to repair after October 15th. You repair

[1:03:55] something, you don't know if it's repaired until April 15th next year.

[1:04:00] Second of all, we have a goal of over uh five over 50% of all water users having

[1:04:07] ion water. And so there's a we're we're like I said very closely with the sea

[1:04:11] staff and combining efforts and ideas to decree increase the number of

[1:04:17] applications through of ion water and decrease the number of accounts that

[1:04:21] have leaks going forward. That's what we're doing the next couple of months.

[1:04:26] The priority that hopefully this will go work right into the next uh agenda item

[1:04:31] is to support a couple things. One is to support the identification and funding

[1:04:37] of those deficiency projects that support water both PI and culinary and

[1:04:43] second of all is to figure out processes that will help the enforcement.

[1:04:50] We're we're working with uh Clyde as a tech guru and Heidi to automate where

[1:04:58] possible the notification to of those 608 accounts who have a leak. And then

[1:05:05] for right now, every week the major segments, the city uh for business and

[1:05:11] parks, the schools, the the um churches and the a users, they get a report uh

[1:05:18] from that that leak report of who has a leak. And then we follow up every week

[1:05:25] and we're finding that action is being taken. It's a personal s source of pride

[1:05:30] to say this week is less than last week. But to give you a sense, uh, most

[1:05:36] recently 28 million gallons were in some way leaked. So our goal is to reduce

[1:05:42] that number of accounts with leaks to under uh, five 500.

[1:05:46] » Did you say this week or this season? >> The this, as of the most recent leak

[1:05:52] report, and some of these leaks have been going on for a long time, there's

[1:05:57] 28 million. Okay. Um, so the goal the goal is Go ahead.

[1:06:02] » I mean, It's a huge number, but there's always going to be leaks in the system.

[1:06:06] Any given city is just part of it. You do like a percentage of your total water

[1:06:10] usage. But what these gentlemen have been doing is it's a huge thing. Right.

[1:06:14] There was because some of these people have had leaks since we turned PI on and

[1:06:18] they were not aware of it at all. >> That's right. We have all sprinklers and

[1:06:23] property owners. Yeah. So Clyde and I have all sorts of fun stories of people

[1:06:26] picking up the phone and first of all denying that they have a leak and then

[1:06:30] we talk through is is a hot tub, is a swimming pool, is there a faucet in the

[1:06:36] backyard that a grandson may have? And then they check it out and it's like

[1:06:40] thank you, you know, and uh very few have been um recalcitant towards it.

[1:06:47] most of them have tried to figure out what the leak is and they and we help

[1:06:52] them figure out maybe try it a different way. So we feel pleased with what has

[1:06:57] happened. Uh 11% reduction is good. We're working towards having a at least

[1:07:02] a 12 and a half% reduction by the end of the year. There's mitigating factors and

[1:07:07] I would just end with to get to where we need to to make sure demand doesn't

[1:07:12] exceed supply there's multiple levers. It's the education. It's the

[1:07:17] restrictions. It's our rating system. It's uh it's it's doing what's needed to

[1:07:23] make the system efficient. It's enforcement. All those things are going

[1:07:27] to have to be pulled to eventually get to that point we don't exceed supply.

[1:07:32] Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Appreciate all your

[1:07:35] work. Honestly,

[1:07:39] [clears throat] >> I

[1:07:39] » One of the highlights, Mayor, was they almost got rained out one day at Alpine.

[1:07:43] » I know. No. Friday. No, I was um able to sit down with them for much of Friday

[1:07:48] and Saturday and see them in action and they were amazing.

[1:07:53] » So, this is a follow-up question. Are we calling on culinary leaks or only PI?

[1:07:59] » Both. Okay. >> The six the 608 is for both or is that

[1:08:03] just PI? >> Both. All together. All the leaks

[1:08:07] together. And so, yeah, all we get is whether they have a leak or not. And

[1:08:10] then we, you know, and then when they do the eye on water, it should tell them,

[1:08:14] it tells them what the leak is. And then you can go into the app and it depends

[1:08:18] on there's a setting um on how big the pipe

[1:08:22] sizes that tells you whether it's culinary or PI. The larger pipe size is

[1:08:27] for PI, the smaller pipe size is for indoor. Indoor is usually leaky toilets.

[1:08:33] um outdoors either PI or as we discovered it's um hot tubs that

[1:08:38] automatically recycle and autofill and there was a leak in the hot tub and it

[1:08:43] just kept filling it and they had no idea.

[1:08:47] » I I'm a success story too but we'll tell that success story offline.

[1:08:51] » I'll come tell you my experience with ion water and my leakage report that

[1:08:54] came to my email. >> Yes. Okay, let's move on to action

[1:08:59] items. No, we've got um the sales tax bond for the

[1:09:05] fire station. Um do we need to do anything else or

[1:09:08] should I just go ahead and open the public hearing? Do you have a

[1:09:11] » just explain this is a public hearing is required. It's it's been scheduled. It's

[1:09:16] been advertised. It's one of the steps in the process. Um this will kind of

[1:09:21] round out the public meeting requirements for the bond. Uh we do have

[1:09:26] Mark Anderson online. If anyone has any uh questions for him, I'm sure he'd be

[1:09:32] happy to answer those. Um the uh requests for bids have been sent out.

[1:09:39] Um they're coming due uh couple days, the 27th and then the

[1:09:47] first part of um September everything can be closed out.

[1:09:52] » Okay. >> Okay. I will um open the public hearing

[1:09:57] for the sales tax bond for the fire station. So, at this point, the public

[1:10:02] is welcome to come up and speak about um the sales tax bond. Um you will have

[1:10:09] three minutes to make a statement. The floor is open.

[1:10:23] Okay. As no one has come forward, I'm going to close the public hearing

[1:10:30] and then we'll move. Okay. Item B. Um, so sir, when they do you want to explain

[1:10:36] with the brick why? >> Yeah. So, uh, we meet every Thursday,

[1:10:40] just a progress meeting on the fire station. Um, last Thursday we met and

[1:10:45] they said, "Hey, we we got to have this brick on whatever approval process you

[1:10:49] have, uh, we need to do it ASAP." They were estimating based on what they had

[1:10:55] been told by some of these brick companies 12 to 16 week delivery times

[1:11:00] and to hit their marks it had to be right now. So as they were I said I need

[1:11:05] actual samples not just pictures of what the brick color would be or whatever.

[1:11:10] Um, so they were gathering those up and as they were working on that end of it,

[1:11:17] the times they were given were more favorable and they said, "We're we're

[1:11:22] still gathering samples. We're fine to wait two more weeks." And so that's

[1:11:27] that's why it's um just needs to be put off for a couple weeks. So we will have

[1:11:32] actual samples. We'll try to have them, you know, maybe shoot for like the

[1:11:37] Friday before the meeting. So if you want to come in city hall and look at

[1:11:40] them earlier, you can do that. But >> is the timeline so favorable? We may

[1:11:46] still be able to use real brick because >> Yeah.

[1:11:50] » Okay. >> Yeah.

[1:11:51] » They thought they had to get it in, but when they asked for the samples, they

[1:11:55] realized that the lead time wasn't quite as long as they were originally told. So

[1:11:59] that's why they're >> they're the seller is trying to

[1:12:01] underpromise and overd deliver. >> Probably.

[1:12:05] » Okay, let's move on to item C. Approval of the sculpture garden plan.

[1:12:13] » Okay. So, um >> there no motion needed on either of the

[1:12:16] last two. >> No,

[1:12:17] » no motion needed. Okay. >> The public hearing is just kind of like

[1:12:20] a public comment period and then B was is removed from the agenda.

[1:12:28] » Okay. the um Heritage Arch Arts Foundation have been working hard to uh

[1:12:35] prepare planning, irrigation, and lighting plants u to be uh put for the

[1:12:41] city council for approval. Um they've been coming in and either coming in or

[1:12:46] checking in with us weekly. Um we work through a few things. Uh there's still a

[1:12:53] a few outstanding items after tonight um that are being worked on, but those will

[1:12:58] be brought back later. Um

[1:13:01] so these plans are

[1:13:07] there will be some changes. Um for example, there's a closet door out here

[1:13:11] and it shows a tree planted in front of it. There's going to be some little

[1:13:14] things like that. Um but uh Bob has a presentation. He'll

[1:13:20] he'll go through some things with you tonight and uh hopefully answer any

[1:13:25] questions that you have um to work towards moving uh this project forward.

[1:13:32] You

[1:13:35] » Thank you. We have some fun

[1:13:40] » sorry this Yeah, we do have some fun updates to share with you. Um so if we

[1:13:46] go to slide two just real quick. Um we've uh we've met with two households

[1:13:54] and we're at about 56% of campaign goal that's pending right now. Two

[1:13:59] households. Um we're confident that things are going to

[1:14:05] go in the right direction. Um so uh yeah um

[1:14:11] if we go to the next slide this uh this was a question that was raised about

[1:14:16] just the relative roof heights um and the garden pavilion the gazebo um

[1:14:24] element um right now uh stands about 20 feet 2 in um we're still going to be

[1:14:32] getting some specs on that from a builder and and some others that are

[1:14:36] doing engineering um architectural drawings. Uh but it's going to be close

[1:14:41] to that range. Um and there were questions about how high it was and whe

[1:14:46] whether or not it would um um kind of be dominant in the area. So wanted to make

[1:14:54] sure that that was understood. Um the next slide talks about um the safety for

[1:15:02] the stained glass. Um, so I was able to get some great feedback from Tom

[1:15:08] Holdman, his team. Uh, they've been installing stained glass and uh, 200

[1:15:14] temples. They've got another hundred that they're working on. Um, they just

[1:15:18] installed in some islands. Uh, is designed to withstand hurricane force

[1:15:22] winds. Uh, 2x4s going 80 miles an hour. Um, and it protect it's protected. So,

[1:15:29] um, those those will be, uh, there for a good long time. Now, that doesn't mean

[1:15:34] they're indestructible, right? Somebody who's bound and determined to wreck them

[1:15:38] can do that, but uh, we're taking that into account also. And so, um, let's go

[1:15:45] to the next slide. Um, it's a familiar face.

[1:15:52] [laughter]

[1:15:54] » Yeah. Um, so one of the families that we met with uh

[1:16:00] just suggested, you know, there's there's somebody that's been around the

[1:16:03] block a few times, understands, you know, some sprinklers and and some

[1:16:08] things doesn't need to take the role of Emily who's been a part of this for so

[1:16:14] long, right? But um could be um instrumental in helping kind of some

[1:16:19] boots on the ground kind of approach. So, uh, you know, I it's important to

[1:16:24] say that, uh, this is a volunteer role. Um, huge, uh, thank you to him, right?

[1:16:32] Um, but it's also part-time. He does have other work to do, um, during the

[1:16:37] day. And um so the ideas he would report to Emily and um Heritage Arts

[1:16:43] Foundation, one of the things that he shared with me that I loved um our first

[1:16:48] meeting, he said, "Bob, um if I think something is bad for Alpine, I'm going

[1:16:53] to say it." And you know, this whole uh project for the last two years, it's

[1:17:00] something that we've said and we stand by it. We want to make sure that this is

[1:17:04] a gift that comes to you with no regrets. So, um, we love that about, uh,

[1:17:09] what he said. So, uh, the role does not revise designs, um, direct change

[1:17:16] orders, approve costs, or replace licensed professionals unless we

[1:17:20] desperately need him, right? Somehow, right? Um, so the next slide, um, this

[1:17:27] is the part that, uh, we're pushing off. Um, I don't know if you recall way back

[1:17:32] when when we originally put together the letter of uh, intent, there was a one

[1:17:38] pager that had to do with um, donor gifts and recognition and it only

[1:17:43] focused on the statues. Um, and that now is insufficient. And so I'm I'm

[1:17:52] recommending that it be brought up uh, next month um, and be presented here. um

[1:17:58] it's the last thing that really kind of remains. Um but uh you know because of

[1:18:03] that change if we go to the next slide I'll just share with you um this is a

[1:18:09] quick one-page glimpse of the major features. These are kind of four main

[1:18:15] buckets that donor gift opportunities fall into. Um significant elements

[1:18:21] hardscape landscape individual elements and then endowment. And I do want to

[1:18:27] just go to the next slide real quick uh because this is a slide of great

[1:18:32] interest, right? Um this is an example of some donor opportunities that all

[1:18:38] relate to the maintenance ongoing support of the garden. All right. Um and

[1:18:45] we're refining these. Uh the numbers are still in in kind of a a process, but uh

[1:18:52] if there were no changes um to this, we're pursuing funding that would be

[1:18:58] somewhere around 169,000 per year um perpetually

[1:19:04] endowed and that would come to the city every year to take care of this. It

[1:19:09] could be a person, it could be product, it could be all kinds of things. So, um

[1:19:14] I this is an example of why we felt having this discussion next month would

[1:19:20] be helpful. So, so um I'll turn the time over to Emily

[1:19:25] to provide update on the three plans.

[1:19:32] » So, um you should have a planting plan and an irrigation plan and a lighting

[1:19:37] plan. um spent a lot of time thinking through making sure especially in a

[1:19:42] drought year that we're not we're using water wise plants. We have water wise

[1:19:46] plants that um will frame the pavilion. We also have this the water feature

[1:19:50] that's come since we've last um spoken to and then making sure that we also

[1:19:56] have something that is giving year round interest in the garden that is also

[1:20:00] maintainable like that we don't have so many things going on that it's not

[1:20:05] maintainable you know just that and it's visually pleasing to the eye. Um making

[1:20:11] sure that we have drip line in place. We know that you are an example to the city

[1:20:15] as well. Um but we um And then for the lighting, we like to do

[1:20:21] more historical lighting. We've looked into solar, but solar seems to take and

[1:20:25] not take from my experience um of trying to do solar. Um sometimes it goes and

[1:20:31] sometimes it doesn't. So I feel like doing electric is um a better solution.

[1:20:36] So have anything you any questions?

[1:20:43] » Brent, do you have any questions? >> Just in general questions. Um, I did

[1:20:48] look up all the plants and I appreciate that they are all drought resistant. I

[1:20:52] was I didn't look up to see if they are native to Utah, but I'm assuming maybe

[1:20:56] one or two are, but I don't know if you know that off the top of your head.

[1:21:00] » Well, there are there are some that are, and there's some that, you know,

[1:21:03] obviously the poppies are native to here. Um, but there are some that are

[1:21:07] and some that aren't, >> but a lot of them are.

[1:21:11] » Nice. >> We did request from the city and found

[1:21:14] on the website um an approved set of that the city puts out and that became

[1:21:20] the basis for this but then we had to expand because that list was kind of for

[1:21:26] sidewalks I guess >> park strips. Yeah.

[1:21:29] » Yeah. >> And then I did want to just bring up

[1:21:32] those three trees again. I know that that was brought up last time and I was

[1:21:37] curious what your thoughts are because I feel like if we're being wise stewards,

[1:21:41] why would we cut down perfectly great trees to replace them

[1:21:46] with less mature trees? So, I don't know if you have thoughts on that. Well, I'm

[1:21:50] hoping that we can keep we obviously in the plan I have to keep um the trees on

[1:21:55] the east side of the building, but in order to create an environment that

[1:21:59] feels connected, having something in the middle of

[1:22:03] something that is more formal, especially with the formal building that

[1:22:07] we have, this this building itself is a formal building. Um, having that formal

[1:22:12] design is a lot more appealing to the eye than having a tree that's just

[1:22:17] shooting up in the middle of a design if that makes sense.

[1:22:20] » No, that makes sense. I just feel I just it's sad to me that we would cut down

[1:22:24] those >> How old are those trees, Shane? Do you

[1:22:27] know? >> Approximately 30 years.

[1:22:32] » Um, that was just one of my concerns um there. And then you mentioned that it

[1:22:36] would be $169,000 per year to take care of the garden. Did

[1:22:40] I understand that correctly? >> No. Okay.

[1:22:43] » No. So [laughter] I was like, "Wow, that's a lot. I can

[1:22:47] come and weed it for free." >> So that represents the total of gift

[1:22:52] opportunities at at the present time. Okay.

[1:22:55] » That we have yet to really kind of finalize and put together and present to

[1:22:59] you next month. >> Okay. Okay, that makes sense. Um, and

[1:23:03] you mentioned the safety protecting the glass. I know that other people have had

[1:23:06] a concern about the sculptures. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that.

[1:23:11] » They'll withstand hurricanes also. Um, no. And in, you know, lots of experience

[1:23:17] with the um the Adonis bronze, anchoring those in incredible ways. Um, all of

[1:23:23] that will be part of the gift that comes from the private sector. So, it's the

[1:23:28] it's the sculptures, it's the pedestal, it's the installation, everything that

[1:23:31] kind of goes with it. They go they go deep enough into the ground past that

[1:23:35] frost point and everything. So, they're they're they're solid.

[1:23:38] » Have you have you seen those? >> Yes, I have. I just some other people

[1:23:42] had had concerns, so I thought I would just

[1:23:44] » So, we have we have sculptures already at at the Alpine Art Center. Have you

[1:23:47] ever had any issues with vandalism there? And I know they're all throughout

[1:23:51] Utah. >> People climb on.

[1:23:53] » People can do it, but I don't think it's going to be a draw.

[1:23:55] » Yeah. the the the the scariest part that we have that we've talked about just a

[1:24:00] little bit with Shane was, you know, that we were afraid that we're setting

[1:24:04] up a buffet for deer. >> Um, and so

[1:24:08] » dear love this block for some reason. >> So there there may be an additional

[1:24:13] giving opportunity that is put on our list that has to do with the fence.

[1:24:18] » So just just a heads up, but we'll bring that back to you if that's the case.

[1:24:21] Right. And then timeline wise, I know at one point the discussion was October. We

[1:24:27] were going to, but now, as far as I understand, we're going to wait till

[1:24:30] maybe the spring and once we have a percentage of the money committed. Is

[1:24:34] that correct? >> Yes. Um, and so the next slide. Um,

[1:24:38] where is it? It's just past that. >> I did have questions about the garden.

[1:24:42] If you >> Oh, sorry. Were we just talking about

[1:24:44] the garden? I apologize. You can the timeline.

[1:24:47] » Okay. Um, I I bringing up the deer. I know I have a list that I utilize for

[1:24:53] deer resistant and I know you're familiar because you do great work here

[1:24:57] in Utah all the time. Are is there a general trend towards using deer

[1:25:00] resistant like boxwoods and junipers? They don't eat.

[1:25:03] » Yeah, they will not eat those. And um the only thing I put in the garden that

[1:25:08] the deer would eat. There are just a few roses to complement the red in the in

[1:25:14] our in the rotunda because we need that red color. Um but that is the only thing

[1:25:19] in there. There's the peonies they won't eat. Everything else they're not

[1:25:22] touching. >> Perfect.

[1:25:23] » As far as Well, they might eat it. I have to say that because I'm not a deer.

[1:25:27] But I just It's really weird because I've actually planted a lot on your

[1:25:30] hillside and the deer have eaten some things they don't normally eat on one

[1:25:34] side of the hill and not on the other. So, it I can say that they I don't know

[1:25:38] if they will or they won't, but they're not supposed to. Let's just say that.

[1:25:42] » The the operative word is resistant because nothing is deerroof. Exactly.

[1:25:46] Right. >> Not even offense. Okay. Um, the other

[1:25:50] thing was that caught my eye cuz I um I went to Europe and I discovered that I'm

[1:25:56] an English gardener, meaning I let nature take the lead, but my husband is

[1:26:01] a French gardener, so everything is squared off and like and so if you go

[1:26:05] back to this slide, the um maintainable edges, can you speak to me about what

[1:26:10] does that mean to you as far as maintenance goes? Maintainable edges.

[1:26:15] » Yes. So, we do have some hedges in here. Also, a very clean I feel like when you

[1:26:19] have something that's done one time, it's one and done rather than having to

[1:26:23] go back over and over and over. When you have plants that are coming up all over

[1:26:27] a perennial, which would be more English to be honest, I know because the English

[1:26:30] is maintenance. Let's talk about it as that in those words. It's a maintenance

[1:26:33] thing. You have a lot more maintenance that goes into an English garden than

[1:26:36] you do a French garden just because of how many plants they usually use that

[1:26:41] are diverse, >> right? So maintainable edges, is that

[1:26:45] including like even um the turf edges or are you talking about specifically like

[1:26:51] the hedges? Like what what does that mean to you? Like edges, maintainable

[1:26:55] hedges. >> So um for instance, I really try to to

[1:27:00] um plant the garden beds so that there are a lot of the same things planted in

[1:27:04] the same area. >> Okay.

[1:27:06] » So let's say hydrangeas, the d the droughtresistant hydrangeas. um planting

[1:27:13] masses of them in one area so they can be cut back at one time. They can be

[1:27:17] hedged back. That's a maintainable edge to me in that way.

[1:27:19] » Okay. >> Does that make sense?

[1:27:21] » Yes. Yes. I just want to make sure that I was connecting the dots because

[1:27:26] trimming is a big discussion item in our home. So,

[1:27:29] » just want to make sure it's easy because those that love straight lines, it needs

[1:27:32] to be easy. And I planted all the wrong things for the French gardener. I really

[1:27:36] did. So, I've learned now. But just especially also around the rotunda area

[1:27:42] making sure that it's complimementaryary when you're walking all the way around

[1:27:44] it you're seeing similar things yet okay there's different sculptures so there's

[1:27:48] different thing different ways to have those same items

[1:27:51] » display okay that is good to know because um there is concern that our our

[1:27:57] staff what is their what is their commitment to maintain the garden and so

[1:28:01] that's I told them that we've we've talked about this from the very

[1:28:04] beginning so want to make sure we brought that up in the public meeting

[1:28:07] and So we can get the word out to the staff that they're not going to like

[1:28:11] just be trimming and weeding and like live live in our little sculpture garden

[1:28:15] because we've made it easy to care for. >> Yeah.

[1:28:18] » You know, I I know that there is in the works um a historic committee that is

[1:28:22] being formed. I I don't know the exact name of the committee. Um but

[1:28:27] [clears throat] uh uh wasn't it just >> wasn't just Arts and his mother

[1:28:32] » are actually serving on that and they're looking forward to

[1:28:37] » Yes. >> tending to property like this,

[1:28:39] » right? >> So there's a volunteer force that wants

[1:28:41] to get involved with this as well. >> Yeah, it's super exciting. Um um I I

[1:28:46] recently watched a program which I'll I'll share in a different setting but

[1:28:51] where we saw the finished product of Emily's work and so I think it will give

[1:28:55] you guys a really good idea of what she's talking about the the consistency

[1:28:59] of the same plants and those type of things to get a really consistent feel

[1:29:03] and that it's easier to maintain because like I guess you're saying you go out

[1:29:07] there once and everything's done once instead of those this idea of blooming

[1:29:12] all year long. you've got all this stuff to take care of all year long whereas

[1:29:16] there just one fell swoop you can get things cleaned up or whatever.

[1:29:20] » Well, and that's tricky because you also need to have something that is peing

[1:29:24] interest through the seasons, right? So, it is tricky but by having a repetition

[1:29:30] for hope that the way I put everything in it should that should be able to be

[1:29:34] maintainable. Okay. >> It doesn't mean it's maintenanceree but

[1:29:37] it's maintainable. >> Right. Right. As as good as as close as

[1:29:40] we can get to. Thank you. That was very helpful. And again, it's really

[1:29:44] exciting. Um, very exciting. >> Just along those lines, it'll be awesome

[1:29:51] to have some help with like a maintenance plan because we don't really

[1:29:55] have a gardener on staff. We don't have a forester. You know, I'm sure in my

[1:30:00] mind anyway, trimming stuff off at the right point in time and and in the right

[1:30:06] place and not overdoing it is very important to have it look beautiful. I I

[1:30:10] think the Thanksgiving point I think >> yeah our our guys probably couldn't make

[1:30:14] it look that nice. [laughter] >> So some

[1:30:18] » it's more complicated than it looks as I've learned.

[1:30:20] » Yeah, they they do an awesome job. So we'll need help.

[1:30:23] » So if we could have a maintenance plan. I wrote that out.

[1:30:26] » Perfect. Thank you so much. You're welcome.

[1:30:30] » I think Andrew did you have >> Go ahead. Bob Well, just the the two

[1:30:36] final Well, the three final slides, right? So, so this right here is a big

[1:30:42] significant um help I think. Um and I appreciate Shane um staying with me,

[1:30:49] continuing to kind of bring this topic up about how much money needs to be

[1:30:54] raised before it triggers the excavation or some other site prep, right? Um, and

[1:31:00] so, uh, we [clears throat] actually came to an understanding that look, um, let's

[1:31:06] just say we're not going to touch this property.

[1:31:10] We'll be doing a lot of things off the property, but we won't we won't do

[1:31:14] anything until the new year. Um, and so what we're going to end up having is 90%

[1:31:22] of the money in January. Um, we're already at 56% or not booked, but

[1:31:30] Right. Um and so I think what this does is it um allows kind of the city to take

[1:31:36] a take a breath. Um it ensures that there won't be egg on anyone's face that

[1:31:42] the project has the funding to go forward. And so I I just wanted to share

[1:31:47] with you that that we've made an adjustment just this week um that these

[1:31:51] two conditions need to be met. Um weather ready

[1:31:57] um at or above 90% that's raised. Um and it'll be in the new year as soon as as

[1:32:03] soon as the weather permits. It means we're going to scramble. Um but um if

[1:32:08] that is the best way to do it, then we'll do that.

[1:32:12] » And and Lon was in here with Bob yesterday and he gave what I thought was

[1:32:17] some great advice in that area. And I think that's

[1:32:21] » that's helpful >> help,

[1:32:24] » you know, >> for sure

[1:32:25] » these guys come to that decision. So, it wasn't my decision. It's about what to

[1:32:29] say. >> Oh, for sure.

[1:32:32] » Okay, sir. Did you have more questions? >> No, that actually answered my question.

[1:32:35] » Thanks for doing it. Just gratitude. Thanks, Lawn, for helping. I hope your

[1:32:39] surgery went well. Um, and uh, no, I just I'm We're really grateful. This is

[1:32:45] Some people don't understand or they don't know that these types of things

[1:32:49] cement for generations uh, our heritage, our identity. um it's

[1:32:54] done through art that endures a really long time. So, thank you. Look forward

[1:32:58] to supporting it. Oh, and if uh the tree is an issue,

[1:33:04] uh I bet you could get around that in two ways. Utilizing the wood or I think

[1:33:09] that's a fine. Do you Are you okay with that idea?

[1:33:11] » I mean, that's a great idea. >> I mean, of things.

[1:33:15] » It is an asht tree, though. I looked at it. It doesn't have the greatest quality

[1:33:19] wood. It grows fast and >> you can build like benches or something.

[1:33:23] » So, we'll we'll take that offline. Sorry to digress. Sorry.

[1:33:27] » Thank you for all your >> If you want me to say ash trees right

[1:33:30] now, they're not even allowing us to plant them. I not coming out of right

[1:33:33] now they're they're struggling and um because in in Colorado right now they're

[1:33:39] » [clears throat] >> um they are dying and they're dying in

[1:33:42] large population. So, FYI there it's a harder tree.

[1:33:47] This has been a motion. Any other >> question? Tough topics. [laughter]

[1:33:51] » No further questions. I'll entertain a motion.

[1:33:53] » I move to approve the sculpture garden planting, irrigation, and lighting plan.

[1:33:57] » Is there a second? >> I'll second it.

[1:33:59] » Okay. Move by Councilman Rumler, seconded by Councilman Young. If there's

[1:34:04] no further discussions, we'll proceed with the roll call vote.

[1:34:07] » Drew Young, yes. Brent Rumler, yes. >> Sir Blackwell, yes.

[1:34:09] » Chrissy Henman, yes. >> Okay, motion passes. Let's move on to

[1:34:14] the Moy Park landscaping plan. [applause]

[1:34:21] » Okay. Um it's on a different landscape project.

[1:34:26] Uh so we've been working on improvements at Moy Park uh for a while now. We uh

[1:34:34] last fall we completed the new curbon gutter and the parking areas and all the

[1:34:39] asphalt and kind of got all the lines set up to accept landscape.

[1:34:44] Um so uh the mayor worked with a volunteer to actually put a planning

[1:34:50] plan together that we wanted to bring um for consideration for approval from the

[1:34:56] council. Um there's a little bit of a timing thing.

[1:35:01] We're trying to include this as a project for the day of service, which is

[1:35:05] September 12th this year. Um there's a few times we had volunteers help. Uh

[1:35:12] first major one I remember was Creekide Park. We had a lot of residents come and

[1:35:16] help plant trees. Um we purchased them inhouse to save money and then had

[1:35:21] volunteers help plant them. They enjoyed that. And then we did a a project on the

[1:35:26] day of service a few years ago with roundabout uh the roundabout landscaping

[1:35:31] and several of them commented they really appreciated the fact that every

[1:35:35] time they go through the roundabout they can look at a plan and say I was

[1:35:38] involved with planning that plant. Um so u we brought this before you today. Um

[1:35:46] some of the stuff on that plan is a little bit hard to read. You really have

[1:35:50] to zoom in. It's it's kind of tough. I'm sure as a volunteer she didn't have

[1:35:55] access to everything that maybe a someone else might have, but um if you

[1:36:00] kind of read it close, you can tell what's going on there.

[1:36:03] » So, I spoke with her. This is someone who is a master gardener and is getting

[1:36:09] um her degree in landscape architect design and this is part of one of her

[1:36:14] projects and um work with her adviserss on it. The goal was to have um I think

[1:36:20] it's the same as before is that to have something blooming throughout this

[1:36:25] season. Um and you know my main directive was we want something that

[1:36:30] looks nice, lowmaintenance and drought resistant. Um and so with that

[1:36:35] directive, this is what they came up with.

[1:36:40] » Yeah. And then um just kind of along with that uh there's a a few other

[1:36:45] things um for consideration in the park. Um

[1:36:50] first [clears throat] of all, we planned some fencing. There's that solid fencing

[1:36:53] on the west side as you come into the park. Um continuing that north and then

[1:36:59] over on the other side of the the entrance as well. Um, there are a couple

[1:37:07] of gates that

[1:37:10] go into the backyards of private property. The one doesn't look like it's

[1:37:15] been used for a long long time. Um, the other one I I know that they do use it

[1:37:23] and so it might be something that we'll have to deal with, you know, in moving

[1:37:28] this fence portion of the project forward.

[1:37:32] Uh Shane, it's it's not the property owners. It's the Moy Park fence that has

[1:37:36] a opening. >> I don't know. I'm assuming the city put

[1:37:40] the fence the the fence has been in as long as I've been around.

[1:37:44] » Um I don't know. >> Maybe we just ask them before.

[1:37:48] » Yeah. I don't know who I don't know if the city put it in. I don't know if

[1:37:52] » it looks like the both uh both sides of the road have the same fence. So I would

[1:37:56] assume it was a city project. >> I know your mother-in-law would know. I

[1:37:59] wish she was still here to tell us. >> Yeah,

[1:38:02] » maybe someone you she knows or someone else could tell us,

[1:38:05] » right? So, let's see that. There's that. Um uh

[1:38:12] I was at a meeting at Oram City recently and they have their new city hall and

[1:38:17] it's very modern. It's different than this, but I saw something there that I

[1:38:20] thought could work really well here. Um it's

[1:38:26] they've taken um like metal put metal borders in and then they have this

[1:38:32] gravel that's compacted so hard it's almost like concrete but not quite but

[1:38:37] it's very like you're not rubbing it off your feet every time you walk through

[1:38:41] it. I thought it was pretty neat the way they put it in there in this very formal

[1:38:46] setting. Um so I took Lannon over there. We looked at it and we think something

[1:38:51] like this may be passed going up the cabins. Um, which was part of the plan

[1:38:56] that I also included in the packet. Maybe not in that exact configuration,

[1:39:01] but something like that I think could could be good. And I think it would help

[1:39:06] keep the weeds down in some of that area, too.

[1:39:10] » Can you point to that area with your mouse? I don't know exactly what you're

[1:39:13] speaking. Yeah. The little trails kind of up on the north end but below the

[1:39:17] caretaker house over by the little cabins.

[1:39:22] » Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Kind of over in there. Yeah.

[1:39:25] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:39:27] Um so there's that. Uh the plan also called for some split rail fence. This

[1:39:34] would be just like the stuff at the poppies. Um but it makes sense to get

[1:39:39] some of this other stuff in before that goes in so it's not in the way.

[1:39:44] Um, let's see. A resident donated a couple

[1:39:48] of uh pieces of antique farm equipment. Um,

[1:39:53] it's not been moved up there yet, but um the thought was to maybe put it in kind

[1:39:59] of that circle area. If you want to look at it, it's over on

[1:40:02] Red Pine Drive. You probably walk by it all the time.

[1:40:06] » There's also some on the um Alpine Oh, come on. art center property. That's

[1:40:14] there's Oh, yeah. There's out along their back. Not that you're looking for

[1:40:18] donations, but >> but there's some out there.

[1:40:20] » There is more. It's coming out of the weeds. Oh,

[1:40:24] » really? >> Literally.

[1:40:25] » Yeah. Okay. Uh we still need to stripe the parking lot. Uh there's two entrance

[1:40:32] signs. It feels like one of those could come out and still say the same thing if

[1:40:38] somebody wanted to give their opinion on which one should stay.

[1:40:41] » Kaden, can you go up to >> I hope you won't be offended, but have

[1:40:44] you done a swept analysis on your parking lot?

[1:40:48] » I'm sure it's 100%. >> Come on, Jason. Where's the laugh? There

[1:40:51] he's laughing. >> Angle parking. There's a good turnaround

[1:40:54] up there. Um I'm sure it's it's great. Uh let's see.

[1:41:02] And then um we had a suggestion there's a large tree

[1:41:08] that's just directly south of the cabins that maybe that could get taken out and

[1:41:15] give more visibility to those cabins and just a couple things like that. So

[1:41:20] there's some things on the table. The one we're really kind of focused on

[1:41:23] right now is trying to get the planning plan um approved so that we can um you

[1:41:30] know have that as part of that day of service.

[1:41:33] » Does anybody have questions? Oh my gosh, we might be done.

[1:41:38] » So why [snorts] why can you just remind us why this this improvement was

[1:41:44] a priority when we're doing the park master plan and put up other park

[1:41:49] projects? Um it's been something that's been on

[1:41:54] the table for quite a while actually. >> We also have a donation specifically for

[1:42:01] this park and so with um the 911 >> day of service coming. Um but yeah, this

[1:42:08] is the plan's been in the works for a long time.

[1:42:11] » Yeah, I know we talked about it the last city council. It's been a long time. No,

[1:42:14] I mean I think this um this plan itself we've been working on since last summer

[1:42:19] asking her to work on it. >> So I mean the prior city council.

[1:42:22] » Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. and then um just was waiting for her to get the right class

[1:42:27] to be able to implement it all and to have the um help of her adviserss

[1:42:32] um with what we had suggested and what we needed mainly that it be low

[1:42:37] maintenance that we wanted it to be you know to look good and you know and so

[1:42:42] she um felt more comfortable doing it with her adviserss and so we had to wait

[1:42:46] till she had that class and so then um along with everything else really the

[1:42:52] and because of the money coming through and with 911 day of service, we're

[1:42:56] actually going to have people and I'm with Shane. I've had several people go,

[1:43:00] you know, my kids help plant those and it's so cool that they're thriving now,

[1:43:05] you know, and so we figured this would be a similar opportunity that, you know,

[1:43:09] they can drive by and say, "Hey, you know, I help with this." So, it's just a

[1:43:12] great way to get the community involved. >> Have you considered involving the Moyal

[1:43:17] family? because I know they're very >> I talked to um why can't I think of her

[1:43:23] name >> I talked to Wanita and um obviously you

[1:43:28] know I'm going to talk to Kathleen I see Suzanne here so yes you can come and

[1:43:32] make a comment in just a second um but no I talked to Wanita because she's the

[1:43:36] one that usually has um since Kathleen's passing and even before um one you know

[1:43:42] she's the one that I've been in contact with the most about Mo Park she'll like

[1:43:45] call me about specific things or if somebody's trying to I guess with one of

[1:43:51] the gates people were moving things and there were some issues and so she called

[1:43:57] um and she's a direct descendant. I told her about this plan and she she was like

[1:44:02] yeah that looks great. So >> no I meant family to come and want

[1:44:06] because they'll want to help. This is their great great grandfather's farm.

[1:44:10] Oh, you have okay that's what I meant. Not just did she like the plant but do

[1:44:14] they want to help with the planting? >> Yes. No, but yes, they will. And we've

[1:44:19] been talking with a couple other staff directly involved with the Moy Park.

[1:44:23] With Moy Park, it's very um >> Yeah.

[1:44:26] » Okay. >> Anyways, Suzanne, did you have a comment

[1:44:28] that you wanted to make? Suzanne um is a direct descendant of John Romoy.

[1:44:35] She's Kathleen's sister. >> No, she's my sister.

[1:44:39] » Okay. Kathleen is her sister. I was up to the park today

[1:44:46] and um Troy was up there digging, doing irrigation connections,

[1:44:51] telling me about the planting that you want to do. And I'm going, a bigger

[1:44:57] concern for Moyal Park is not all this roof stuff. It's putting a security

[1:45:03] system on that building. One of these days, some of your cute little teenagers

[1:45:09] who blow up the toilets in Alpine City are going to access that house and

[1:45:17] it could be destructive. So, my my feeling is put all the split

[1:45:23] rail fences you want in, put all the plants you want in, they're going to die

[1:45:28] anyway. um unless you put sage brush in and

[1:45:33] that's more conducive to the time period. But my feeling is,

[1:45:39] you know, my sister has contributed a large sum of money to that park. Let's

[1:45:45] secure the building. Family and friends have contributed

[1:45:50] valuable artifacts in that house. And last summer we were up there, there

[1:45:59] were no caretakers weren't there. You could walk right in the house because

[1:46:03] the door was open. So, good luck. >> Thank you.

[1:46:07] » Thank you. >> Good point.

[1:46:09] » It's a good point. >> Um I I do have a few questions and

[1:46:14] comments. Um I have been there once before when the house was unlocked. We

[1:46:18] live really close to theirs, so my kids and I, we enjoyed that park a lot. Um, I

[1:46:23] did look up all these plants as well and all of them are drought resistant. So,

[1:46:28] I'm hoping that they won't need a ton of water and that they won't die. But I I

[1:46:32] was I think it would have been really great if they had all been native to

[1:46:36] Utah. Um, and none of them are, but that's that's all right. I'm really

[1:46:40] grateful that someone is willing to volunteer their time to put together

[1:46:44] this plan and to come and help plant these and beautify that park. So, I I

[1:46:48] appreciate that. So just so I understand correctly all of the landscape plan are

[1:46:53] the plants being donated like or just through the donation that's what that's

[1:46:58] what's funding this I just want to understand the funding side it was all

[1:47:02] » all the improvements today haven't so the donation came after the improvements

[1:47:09] that have been done today so we haven't spent any of the donation money

[1:47:13] » so far so it's all available >> the planting will be part of it and then

[1:47:17] I'm sure there'll be I And there's a lot, you know,

[1:47:21] can you go page above? It talked about all the things that the improvements

[1:47:24] that we wanted to do. So, we would just need to um

[1:47:30] add, you know, security on the main house.

[1:47:34] » Yeah, it's a great idea. Um I do like the pathways that you're talking about,

[1:47:38] Shane. My brother actually just installed those exact same ones at his

[1:47:41] house and they're they're awesome. Um, and then I was just curious with there

[1:47:45] are some trails kind of on the east side if you go down little ways. Are those

[1:47:49] going to be cleared out because they used to be more

[1:47:53] » finded and accessible? And I mean, I'm happy to help with that. I'll take my

[1:47:58] kids over there and do it, but I didn't know if that was a part of the plan for

[1:48:00] the day. >> It was just this area just because of

[1:48:04] the new asphalt and all the improvements that they had made. Can you go up that

[1:48:07] one page, >> Kayen? Can you go up?

[1:48:11] Uh so because of all the new work that had been done with the asphalt and doing

[1:48:17] all of that. Um we're just taking advantage of the labor that we have. But

[1:48:23] that's definitely something that if you wanted to undertake, I'm sure Troy would

[1:48:26] work with you. >> Okay.

[1:48:28] » I'm thinking of that project list you started too.

[1:48:30] » Oh yeah. With for Alpine Youth Council. >> Oh yeah. Okay. I'll put it I'll make

[1:48:35] note of that. Okay. Those are >> even youth groups. You know, we could do

[1:48:38] it on just serve and put it up there and say, "Hey, if you guys need a service

[1:48:42] project, why don't you come and help clear out the space and just do it until

[1:48:45] it gets done?" >> Yeah, that'd be great. Okay,

[1:48:48] » time. >> Thank you.

[1:48:50] » Okay, any other questions? >> Um, I I have a question regarding two

[1:48:54] things. Um, I'll refer back to the comment about security. I also had that

[1:48:59] experience. Um, we had an appointment, but due to a miscommunication, um, we

[1:49:04] gave ourselves a self- tour. So I I understand your concern. That was um I

[1:49:11] think we can con agree with that. The second thing though was um we've had

[1:49:16] other and Andrew's brought them to our attention but other the historic

[1:49:19] committee that we've talked about. We have these monuments um that have been

[1:49:24] established like remember that when you talked about the cemetery. I was

[1:49:28] thinking, wouldn't it be good to like have like a more localized place for

[1:49:32] these monuments like rather than in the middle of that cemetery like

[1:49:38] or is this specifically geared only Moy and anything related to him?

[1:49:44] » This is pretty much >> You need your microphone on

[1:49:49] » that. >> You need your microphone. Sorry. So, um,

[1:49:56] yes, my understanding is Mo Park is about the family and John Ro, but those

[1:50:02] homes that have been put on there, though, those weren't his. Those have

[1:50:06] come from other parts of Alpine. So, >> you know what I'm talking about. You You

[1:50:09] had a monument in the middle of the new part that is sort of lopsided and

[1:50:13] falling apart. And it's like we could have a more like

[1:50:17] » the one that said you name. >> Oh yeah.

[1:50:21] » That's what she's talking about. >> Tell me what you're referring to.

[1:50:24] » Like should we relocate it here where we have more other historic things that

[1:50:27] relate back to Alpine. >> Oh, I see. You're talking about the

[1:50:29] woman's monument in the cemetery. Bringing it here.

[1:50:31] » That was just the first thing that came to mind is that when you go here, you're

[1:50:35] learning all about Alpine history. And when you go to the cemetery, you're not

[1:50:39] you're you're visiting your loved ones kind of. It's really not Alpine history

[1:50:43] though. When you go there in the home, you're learning about John Ra Moy and

[1:50:48] his journey of helping with the temple and you know his journey being here, but

[1:50:53] it's not really about the history of Alpine. It's more about

[1:50:56] » General Moy and his family. >> But to your point, there's those those

[1:51:00] other cabins that have been moved on >> and um you know, the Salt Lake Temple is

[1:51:06] not necessarily an alpine. So we could and he was a pioneer.

[1:51:10] » Yeah. No, I didn't say it was about Alpine. I said it's more about John

[1:51:12] Romo. It's more of a tribute to him and the family.

[1:51:15] » Yes, for sure. The house is, but there's other things and like the farm

[1:51:19] equipment, too. I I'm just saying like, should we try to make this a place with

[1:51:24] lots of history? The prominent most important thing is about this particular

[1:51:30] resident of Alpine, but like to have it scattered throughout our city just

[1:51:34] seemed a little disorganized. for being an accountant, we like to think

[1:51:39] categorize things. So, historic things could go here.

[1:51:42] » I think it's a good idea. I think it's something that we can um talk to the

[1:51:45] family about and see. >> Yeah. Get their feedback for sure. Okay.

[1:51:49] » Okay. Sounds good. >> Oh, also, you had talked to us about an

[1:51:53] angled parking, but we ended up with straight.

[1:51:55] » No, it's angled. It's just not been painted.

[1:51:57] » You really do want this one. >> No, no, no. I really did see her. I I

[1:52:01] saw the drawing and it had straight. I'm like, what happened? You asked us about

[1:52:05] the angle. I did remember that one. is an old one.

[1:52:08] » That's the the the master plan is kind of handdrawn.

[1:52:11] » Where is that? I'm not imagining. >> No, it's Go one more down.

[1:52:15] » It's that one. Yeah. Go down. >> So, this one did show 90° parking

[1:52:20] » and and parallel right there. >> Yeah. And we do have some parallel

[1:52:24] parking there. It's just not striped yet. But the angle parking fit better.

[1:52:29] » Right. I do I remember that whole discussion. So, we we are doing that.

[1:52:32] This is inaccurate. >> Correct. Do we need to like note that

[1:52:36] that it's inaccurate? >> What we're approving is the

[1:52:38] » this was done >> years ago.

[1:52:41] » Oh, it's already been approved. >> And if you go back up to the other page,

[1:52:44] » we're just talking about the native the anything alive.

[1:52:47] » We've been working off of this plan >> as just kind of a concept and

[1:52:52] implementing different things up there. >> Okay, then I'll stop worrying about that

[1:52:56] stuff then. Thank you. >> So, it's really just about the

[1:52:59] landscaping today. So, if there's no further questions regarding

[1:53:03] » Oh, since you said landscaping in when I was doing all my um research on the

[1:53:07] water conservation, they say six inches of mulch. So, please let's have six to

[1:53:13] eight inches because it deteriorates over time.

[1:53:16] » Okay. Andrew, did you have a question? >> I just We do a motion right now, right

[1:53:20] on this is >> Yes. But do you have a question right

[1:53:22] now? >> I was going to just offer Are you all

[1:53:24] okay? We >> If you would Yes, I will entertain a

[1:53:27] motion. Go ahead. >> Okay. I was going to do some discussion

[1:53:30] first. I I hope this is input from our six city councelor. Okay, I'll do the

[1:53:35] motion. Here we go. I move to approve the Moy Pike Moy Park landscape planting

[1:53:41] plan with the following conditions and changes to prioritize security first as

[1:53:48] the first priority.

[1:53:52] Is there a second? Okay, the motion dies. Is there a

[1:53:58] substitute? Is there another motion? >> Andrew, I think

[1:54:02] » I think the security is very important. I just want to say I think the security

[1:54:06] is very important and I think it's something that we will do. I I know

[1:54:09] we'll do, but this is time is of the essence and that we need this approved

[1:54:16] so we can source these plants and have it ready by the 12th. So to say that the

[1:54:21] priority is security, >> I can rephrase it. I can rephrase it.

[1:54:24] You want me to rephrase it and just include it as one of the uh

[1:54:26] » Yes. >> Okay. Sorry. Will you kind of take me

[1:54:28] off guard? Just >> But it's landscaping though. This is

[1:54:30] only about landscaping. We don't have anything.

[1:54:33] » Can we add it? This is what I was going to discuss. Are you all okay if we add

[1:54:36] it? >> We don't have anything on the agenda. So

[1:54:39] if you we could bring it back and add it, but like you we have all these other

[1:54:43] things on it that they want to do, but this is only for the landscaping plan.

[1:54:48] » Right. Right. And I think this is good. >> And the security on the building is

[1:54:51] nothing to do with it. It's not noticed, >> right?

[1:54:54] » So, you can't make a motion on something that's not noticed.

[1:54:56] » Sure. Sure. All I just >> Let's just Let's just ask our staff now

[1:55:00] to look into potential security options, which I think they're already,

[1:55:04] » right? And uh well, I was going to discuss first. You just wanted to get it

[1:55:07] done, so I went straight to the motion. I realized it wasn't well thought out,

[1:55:10] but either way, um the security is not that expensive. We just It's

[1:55:15] » No, it's not. >> It's really easy now. It's not a thing

[1:55:18] of it's not going to get done, but right now what we have noticed is the

[1:55:21] landscaping plan. I'm pretty sure Shane's going to be working on that

[1:55:25] security thing as soon as possible. But like I said with this, the reason it's

[1:55:29] here is we need it approved so we can source the plants and plan it according

[1:55:33] to the plan. >> Right. Right. I wasn't taking away any

[1:55:35] of that. Wasn't >> Okay.

[1:55:37] » I think we only have the first one. Go. >> Right. Right. Are are you all okay?

[1:55:41] Because this is what was going to be the discussion. Are we okay if we put it in

[1:55:43] as because I I really uh respect what she said and I think

[1:55:47] » I think we all do. We're all in agreement.

[1:55:49] » So, how can how can we include it in some way that

[1:55:52] » we I will work with Shane. That's a directive that we'll have.

[1:55:55] » But this is only about landscaping security of the building has nothing to

[1:55:59] do with the landscaping and that's what's noticed to the public that we're

[1:56:02] going to be making a decision on today. >> I understand.

[1:56:05] » But I think the security be, you know, as you said, as long as it's below a

[1:56:08] certain amount, we can move forward with it.

[1:56:10] » Okay. It doesn't have to come to council to be

[1:56:14] approved. I wonder what's the limit. Seven grand, five grand, 15 grand, 15.

[1:56:18] » 15. >> There are lots of great security systems

[1:56:20] out there. >> Yeah.

[1:56:21] » Well, okay. Since you guys have the motion,

[1:56:22] » I'm not worried about it. >> I'm not against any of this. I love the

[1:56:25] Moyal family. I love the park. I think anything we can do to beautify it, to

[1:56:28] get our kids to never forget it, constantly go up.

[1:56:31] » Did you have a motion? >> I'll move to approve the Moy Park

[1:56:33] landscape planting plan. >> Okay. Is there a second?

[1:56:36] » I'll second that. >> It's been moved by Councilman Remler,

[1:56:39] seconded by Councilwoman Blackwell. Any further discussion on the motion?

[1:56:44] » If not, we'll proceed with the roll. >> Just follow up on the security one.

[1:56:48] Andrew Young, yes. >> Brent Roma, yes.

[1:56:50] » Sarah Blackwell, yes. >> Chrissy Edamman, yes.

[1:56:52] » Okay, motion passes. >> I'd like to make a motion.

[1:56:57] I move that we go into close session to discuss land acquisition.

[1:57:02] » Is there a second? >> Mayor, were we going to talk about item

[1:57:05] D from the work session before we did that?

[1:57:08] » Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. Yes, we will do that. Um Shane, if you want

[1:57:13] to talk about the PI system. >> Yeah, so

[1:57:17] we've been uh we've discussed a few times the different projects uh that are

[1:57:24] proposed uh that we bond for. Um so there's been a couple of developments

[1:57:30] that have came along. Um they would require likely some cost from the city.

[1:57:35] one for sure, the other one with the development agreement, we might be able

[1:57:39] to do something different, but but there will be um a cost to those projects. So,

[1:57:46] the first one is the uh the page property has been moving forward and

[1:57:51] they're working um very close to approval, I believe. Um the master plan

[1:57:58] showed the 24 inch line going from Ridge Drive to Red Pine Drive to Main Street

[1:58:05] along Maine to First South and then back up by cutting through this project. Um

[1:58:11] we'd save a ton of money. We wouldn't be digging up asphalt. We wouldn't be going

[1:58:16] through utility conflicts. Um all those kinds of things. So the

[1:58:21] cheapest way to put that section of the pipe is pre-development. Um so it's a

[1:58:26] timing thing and so we believe that that should be considered um as part of our

[1:58:33] kind of our group of projects for bonding. Uh the other one is is if this

[1:58:39] uh property below the Healey well moves forward u we should be looking at it the

[1:58:44] same way. Um, so if we acquire that easement, we put that in. Again, it's

[1:58:51] not in the asphalt, it'll be the cheapest way we could ever do it. So,

[1:58:56] » Jane, I wanted to get Oh, I'll wait my turn. Go ahead.

[1:58:59] » Uh, thanks for the foresight. I I completely agree. Thank you.

[1:59:04] » Yes, I agree. I um if I understand correctly based off our conversation

[1:59:10] earlier and what you just said is we can we're going to work on these in tandem

[1:59:15] with also still pursuing some of >> that's what we're suggesting should have

[1:59:19] » perfect. Thank you. >> U remind me of the six items listed

[1:59:26] here. Um the two that you're talking about are the page development for

[1:59:31] $735,000 and the Healey Well to Healey Boulevard.

[1:59:37] That one. >> Okay. The first two are the items that

[1:59:40] we've talked about that were roughly 9, >> right?

[1:59:43] » Healey well to Healey Boulevard. So that's from the wellhouse

[1:59:47] um in this easement we discussed in the work session.

[1:59:50] » Okay. So that's the 420 >> Healey Boulevard.

[1:59:52] » Okay. Uh the next one would be from that point down to Canyon Crest, right Jason?

[1:59:59] And then um the page development one that would be from First South basically

[2:00:06] to Dry Creek or what's the

[2:00:13] » Oh, sorry. The page development is just through their property there south to

[2:00:16] Red Pine. >> Yes.

[2:00:18] » And then the 24 inch or sorry, yeah, the extension

[2:00:22] That would be Ridge Drive to the P. >> Yes.

[2:00:26] » So the to sorry I didn't do this first, but the total of the last four is the

[2:00:31] $3.5 million difference. Is that right? The last four that you just talked

[2:00:37] about. >> Uh about that.

[2:00:39] » Okay. Thank you. So, so the last one on this list would be the one that's not

[2:00:46] absolutely necessary with these development projects, but it would

[2:00:51] connect between two parts of the the overall

[2:00:56] project, I guess. Um, I would suggest, you know, moving forward, I'm I'm sure

[2:01:01] uh with moving forward and finalizing our parks master plan, there will be

[2:01:06] some attention to Peterson Park. Um, again, the cheapest way to put that

[2:01:12] section of pipe in would be to I would suggest skirting the outside of the

[2:01:17] park, no utilities to deal with, just so much less expensive, and then pop back

[2:01:24] into Red Pine Drive and and connect up to the the line going through the Page

[2:01:28] property. >> So, are any of these projects shovel

[2:01:32] ready? Uh we have uh plans what would you say 80 or 90% for

[2:01:40] » about that 80 to 90% >> Haley Boulevard from Canyon Crest to the

[2:01:45] Healey Well. >> Is that the only one that shovel ready?

[2:01:48] » That's the only one. The others I mean they shouldn't take a ton of

[2:01:53] time, >> right? And the page development they'll

[2:01:56] be >> Yeah,

[2:01:57] » they'll be ready as soon as that's ready. So

[2:02:01] » So if we can get maybe the Healey well to Healey Boulevard and then maybe even

[2:02:06] the page development if we can get but they're wanting to move on that quickly,

[2:02:10] right? The 24 in extension. Is there any way we can get that shovel ready and try

[2:02:15] to get it in for You know what I'm talking about, right?

[2:02:18] » Yeah. >> If we can get it in for that grant, that

[2:02:20] would be fantastic. >> Yeah. And that's the other component.

[2:02:23] There's we found some potential funding that even if they only pay for the pipe,

[2:02:29] it has this funding has to be used by the end of the year.

[2:02:33] Um, but if we can work this in and even if they just pay for the pipe, it would

[2:02:37] be something. So, um, we'll work that, continue to work that angle, too.

[2:02:43] » Can you remind me how these bonds work? Do we get the like a lump sum

[2:02:48] so that being shovel ready is critical so that the money isn't sitting there

[2:02:52] charging us interest that we haven't utilized or how does that all work?

[2:02:55] » The shovel ready is more related to the grants, but I mean, it kind of relates

[2:03:00] » this >> to

[2:03:02] Yeah, this isn't just the construction costs. It's also the engineering that's

[2:03:07] involved. And so that's what helps it get it shovel ready.

[2:03:10] » I didn't know which pro if any of these were shovel ready other than the Healey

[2:03:14] Well to Healey Boulevard connection. >> Yes. So, so the project we did last

[2:03:19] fall, we had Horox do the surveying from Canyon Crest up to the the driveway to

[2:03:24] the Healey Well. We had them include that in the survey with everything else

[2:03:28] in Canyon Crest. And our thought was the plan was to do it this spring, not in

[2:03:35] the fall. And we thought, we have this grant money. If this project comes in

[2:03:39] way cheaper than we anticipate, we'll have this other section ready and we can

[2:03:44] maybe get it into. And then we kind of switched gears and did it in the fall,

[2:03:49] but the cost fell kind of in line with the grant we had, so we just we just

[2:03:54] stopped there. >> I see.

[2:03:55] » But we still have those plans available. >> Okay. Okay, that work's been mostly

[2:04:00] done. >> So, can you scroll up one more time? Go

[2:04:04] backwards. So, are we saying that um we're increasing the bond by this much

[2:04:10] or just we're going to use a mixture of grant bonding and fund balance or

[2:04:16] something to pay for the full >> I would say. Yes, I I would say

[2:04:21] potentially plan on more in the bond, >> but I think on this particular grant, we

[2:04:26] will know >> like soon.

[2:04:28] » Okay. >> If we can get something which will help.

[2:04:31] So it's it's not set in stone one in one way because because as we know grants

[2:04:36] are dependent on other >> grants. Sometimes these developments

[2:04:39] come along and you know they get started and then they stall out for a couple

[2:04:45] years or whatever. And so it was kind of in limbo but it it really looks like

[2:04:49] they're ready to move forward. So that's why we're bringing this now.

[2:04:54] » And and just to confirm these additional projects are not taking away from the

[2:04:58] ones that Horox Okay. We're not suggesting that.

[2:05:01] » Yeah. I just want Okay, that's >> is the whole what was it? The buildout

[2:05:07] that it's part of phase two that we have been continually working on in phases.

[2:05:12] And the reason that they're doing this is take advantage of. It's just

[2:05:16] situational, right? They're developing. It's they're going to have raw land.

[2:05:20] It'll be super easy to pipe it through as opposed to going all the way back

[2:05:23] down through the roundabout down Main Street and go back up again just to end

[2:05:27] up in the same place when we can go straight through.

[2:05:30] » And so it will save us a lot of money in the long run.

[2:05:34] » Yeah, that's if you do it as a crowsly, it's very direct and we needed to move

[2:05:38] quickly on it so we're not delaying their project. They're being very nice

[2:05:41] to let us do this. >> Yeah, they've been great to work with on

[2:05:44] it. >> Good.

[2:05:45] » So, >> okay. Okay.

[2:05:47] » Okay, I'll go. I haven't gone yet. >> Did you go?

[2:05:51] » Um, oh, I just wanted to ask one other question. What's the status of a

[2:05:55] potential rate study? Or maybe that should come later. Maybe that's another

[2:05:59] discussion. >> I can answer that. So, uh,

[2:06:04] on on PI, we need to know what our projects are

[2:06:09] that are on the horizon. So, we have that number to plug in to the

[2:06:13] spreadsheet that they've created. Um, so we're we're getting there on the

[2:06:19] culinary and the sewer. Um, I actually have a meeting with them tomorrow. Um,

[2:06:24] so those are those are moving forward. So we'll have those to council

[2:06:31] this fall. >> Great.

[2:06:33] » So, >> thank you.

[2:06:34] » I'll know more after tomorrow, but it should be this fall.

[2:06:37] » Thank you. >> Yeah.

[2:06:38] » Sarah, you're talking about the number like the the difference in price on the

[2:06:42] » Yes. what the >> the actual cost per resident.

[2:06:45] » Yes. >> Okay. All right.

[2:06:48] » Okay. There's no further questions. >> No, I haven't gone yet.

[2:06:52] » I haven't. >> Okay.

[2:06:54] » Yeah. I was just waiting. Uh so, um Shane, there's one thing I wanted to

[2:07:01] bring up is the uh uh and you guys have been really helpful in giving a lot of

[2:07:06] information about the whole system and Horox has been helpful as well. Um the

[2:07:12] the the neighborhood that keeps coming after me for a fix is the north side of

[2:07:19] the low zone and I bring it up, you know, by Alpine Elementary where they

[2:07:23] just have no pressure. >> I know there's a couple others as well.

[2:07:27] And so, uh the fix, I had to go back and research

[2:07:31] what it was. The fix is a pressurized valve, PRV,

[2:07:36] » pressure reducing valve. >> Pressure reducing valve. And those run

[2:07:40] around 300K. >> Yeah, it depends on the situation,

[2:07:46] a lot of factors, but >> half of what I'm saying is a question

[2:07:48] and half of what I'm saying is I'm trying to find a fix. So anyways, I

[2:07:52] haven't really seen that as part of any of this. And so I'm hoping that that can

[2:07:56] be considered. I know I know it's on the list. I I just mean it's never been on

[2:08:01] any of the uh I know it's on the list of potentials. It's just never been on the

[2:08:05] list of actual potential projects to be carried out.

[2:08:08] » Well, We've been talking about bonding projects, but in that same discussion,

[2:08:12] we talked about about being able to fund through fund balance and like that a

[2:08:19] project like that. So, >> bringing those to fund

[2:08:21] » that's why it's not on this. >> Yes. Right. So, so since we're talking

[2:08:24] about this, um would that be something we could bring forward to do even before

[2:08:29] this stuff that takes years to implement? And because the the the

[2:08:33] pipeline you're talking about, this potentially will take five or six more

[2:08:37] years to get it actually functional, right? Getting it all the way up there.

[2:08:40] And >> the pipeline but the Yeah. But the other

[2:08:44] bonded projects though, we're hoping to get it started right away. I mean, we

[2:08:47] want to get started on the wall this winter,

[2:08:49] » right? So, in the meantime, is this something we could is does the does the

[2:08:53] council have the stomach to to do the smaller one that would

[2:08:58] » bring up at a later time? But right now, this is just something for you to

[2:09:03] consider if you want them to add something to the potential

[2:09:07] » bring up the bond price. That's, you know, that's subject that you can bring

[2:09:10] up. >> Right. I'm bringing it up now because

[2:09:12] it's never in there. So, that's why I'm bringing it up.

[2:09:13] » This isn't anything like we're not voting on this. This is justformational.

[2:09:17] You know that, right? >> That's why I'm going Yeah. No, I know.

[2:09:19] » So, you can't take a vote. >> I'm not asking for a vote. I'm just

[2:09:22] asking I'm trying to be a team player. >> Oh, I know. But you can also use the

[2:09:25] phone. >> Well, I'm

[2:09:27] » Are you asking if we should add this to the list because you'd want to bond for

[2:09:30] it or you would prefer that we fund it some other way?

[2:09:33] » Well, it sounds like this is small. So, it sounds like it doesn't even need to

[2:09:36] be bonded. It's something small we can work towards. It's just a community

[2:09:39] that's been there forever and it's just it seems like a fix we could actively

[2:09:43] work towards. >> Do I understand correctly? you're asking

[2:09:45] if we can prioritize that because the cost isn't that great and we can get

[2:09:48] going on it sooner and >> the original the original idea was just

[2:09:52] to one of the priorities not above other things but but this is one of the

[2:09:56] priorities and >> I I uh had been looking into it and just

[2:10:00] wanted to follow up on it since we were talking about pressurized irrigation.

[2:10:03] Yeah, you have to be careful with PRVs because they can cause other problems

[2:10:07] because the way they're designed, if the pressure is too low, their their

[2:10:12] settings, the high pressure on the upstream side, low pressure on the

[2:10:15] downstream side, when the downstream pressure reaches gets to a certain

[2:10:21] point, that valve opens and feeds water to it.

[2:10:25] » Right. Right. >> So that takes pressure from other areas.

[2:10:28] » Right. Okay. And so if you don't have the availability of water there, it can

[2:10:33] cause other problems. >> If there's a better solution, I'm I'm

[2:10:36] all ears for a better solution. But anyways, that's just one of the things

[2:10:39] to think about. The I asked them for any solutions. They had say that that was

[2:10:43] the band-aid. That's the fix. And then the other one is obviously the pipeline,

[2:10:47] which will help as that goes further along. That will help every zone.

[2:10:51] » All all the projects in the master plan will help,

[2:10:55] » right? Right. >> Some way throughout the city.

[2:10:57] » Okay. Well, I just I need something to go back and tell them that I'm working

[2:11:01] on it because every time they show me their sprinklers and they say this thing

[2:11:05] won't go up and I'm trying to help them. So, that was

[2:11:09] » um anyways, I uh I think that's all and thanks for doing this. I have been

[2:11:12] reaching just just I would encourage you guys to reach out to residents on this

[2:11:16] bonding. I've been reaching out to them because this is something that will

[2:11:20] affect everyone. the rate will help that Sarah asked because I can't give them an

[2:11:24] exact number of how much their water bill will increase. So that's what

[2:11:28] that'll be really helpful to give them those numbers. Um I have been getting

[2:11:32] quite a a negative response from residents on more costs. They're they're

[2:11:38] giving me a lot of we just went through the hardest year and we were fine. um

[2:11:42] they're they're giving they're not they're not I think water is painful

[2:11:46] right now but I think right now people are even feeling more of a pain uh of

[2:11:51] budget and finance and just one more thing on top so anyways just exploring

[2:11:56] any other route for any of these solutions that doesn't do that for

[2:12:00] example I've had several developers reach out asking to contribute to one of

[2:12:05] these want something in return but that's a potential I've tried to call

[2:12:09] them they they're hard to get a hold But anyways, I'll I'll keep looking. I

[2:12:13] know you have friends as well, but there's any other route to get to these,

[2:12:16] I think it would help. That's all I got to say. Thank you.

[2:12:18] » Okay. Um, I'd like to make a motion. I move that we go into close session to

[2:12:23] discuss land acquisition. >> Is there a second?

[2:12:30] » I will second. >> I move that we go into council. Was that

[2:12:33] council chambers? >> Could I give you some suggestions?

[2:12:35] » Yes, please. [laughter] >> Okay. to discuss the purchase sale lease

[2:12:40] or exchange of real property >> strategy session to discuss the purchase

[2:12:45] sale lease or exchange of real property >> and Mr. say where that's going to be

[2:12:50] held >> you can say I was just you can say so

[2:12:54] moved to be held in the conference room at city hall

[2:12:57] » and Sarah and Mr. Mr. Doc, if there's something else we want to discuss

[2:13:01] because there's a couple items going on right now.

[2:13:03] » Screen Sarah, too. >> Do we have to add Do we have to add that

[2:13:07] to the motion in order to discuss other items that are supposed to be talked

[2:13:10] about? >> If we're going to discuss other items

[2:13:12] that are not >> Are you involved in the talking to a

[2:13:16] couple items that you all know about that are in

[2:13:19] » That's something that probably should have been brought up before. There's no

[2:13:22] litigation right now, is there? >> I sorry, I meant

[2:13:26] the chance. It's anything that has been brought up

[2:13:29] recently that you'd like to talk about in closed meeting?

[2:13:33] » I don't know. Do Can I >> Can I just amend it? You can make it and

[2:13:36] I'll ask. >> Okay. List all four. I move to pause the

[2:13:39] regular meeting and move into a closed meeting to be held in the conference

[2:13:42] room at city hall to discuss um I you want me to list all of them.

[2:13:48] The purchase, exchange, sale, or lease of real property. Um is there anything

[2:13:53] else you wanted to >> If you could just say the other ones.

[2:13:55] » Okay. pending or reasonable imminent litigation the character professional

[2:13:59] competence or physical and or mental health of an individual

[2:14:03] » that's not needed I I apologize [laughter]

[2:14:05] » the deployment of security personnel devices or systems

[2:14:08] » actually yes that is one that is one >> okay and at the end of the closed

[2:14:12] meeting the open open city council meeting will be adjourned

[2:14:17] » uh we have staff reports >> okay can you take that part off or do I

[2:14:23] need to restate it again >> no I think you're okay

[2:14:25] » we'll just come back. I'll fix it. >> Okay. Thank you, Deian.

[2:14:28] » Okay. There's a motion. Is there a second?

[2:14:30] » I'll second it. >> It's been moved by Councilwoman

[2:14:32] Blackwell and seconded by Councilman Young that we go into close session for

[2:14:37] the reasons stated. >> There's three votes.

[2:14:42] » There's two. >> We got to say I though.

[2:14:44] » Oh, all >> call.

[2:14:46] » Roll call. >> I Brett Ramler. Yes.

[2:14:50] » Sarah Blackwell. Yes. >> Chissy Hanaman. Yes.

[2:14:53] » Andrew. Close session.

[2:14:59] Glad you did.

[2:15:16] » Thanks. >> I'm not here. I'm in Salt Lake.

[2:15:20] » Can I contact you? >> Um, you can. I represent the city.

[2:15:25] » Yeah. >> So,

[2:15:26] » go through Shane. >> Why don't you call Shane? Yeah.

[2:15:30] » Shane.

[2:15:40] » R. Steve.

[2:15:44] » Sorry. I thought you were talking to me. >> Like, you put up the signs. The signs

[2:15:48] are up. trying to enforce the parking already. So I don't feel like we're

[2:15:51] spending hours talking about hedges, >> you know, but like

[2:15:56] » Well, I know, but you guys never talked about that parking. You tabled it and

[2:16:00] it's never been adopted. The engineering court was never adopted.

[2:16:04] » These plans were never approved by the board by the city,

[2:16:08] » right? So our school social rights are being violated every day that you prove

[2:16:12] us from the park. >> First of all, it's not the city not the

[2:16:15] city council's responsibility. They presented information that

[2:16:21] there's nothing to improve or deny when a study is presented to us.

[2:16:25] » No, but but there is when you're doing parking and spending city funds on

[2:16:29] crosswalks. >> No, actually there isn't. That was a

[2:16:32] currency to the council. >> What about the municipal code that says

[2:16:37] that they have The signs are put up under the direction of the governing

[2:16:41] board. >> Oh, the parking you're talking about in

[2:16:43] the city. In the city in the >> the parking signs out there.

[2:16:47] » Okay. I don't know about that. >> Okay.

[2:16:51] You're the one who brought them. >> Yeah, I probably

[2:17:06] don't. park in the parking lot >> is red curving

[2:17:11] » but we don't have parking lot

[2:17:18] » to me is the exact same thing

[2:17:24] » they want you in the park thanks for your time we'll talk

[2:17:31] » no I know

[2:17:35] » I need my water thirst

[2:17:39] That's a good idea, >> but I'm happy to talk about it.

[2:17:42] » Okay, so

[2:17:47] it's always good. >> Okay. All right. Well, thank you, Chief.

[2:17:49] Appreciate your presentation and and finally getting the report is amazing.

[2:17:53] » Getting it all together.

[3:21:09] That was just a joke. >> I think we need to edit this and take

[3:21:12] out the brief. >> Yeah, seriously. So, did you

[3:21:19] Yeah, we got to do that.

[3:21:28] » I know.

[3:21:32] » So, I still

[3:21:36] » person

[3:21:41] whatever. Yeah, I'll be there. >> Here.

[3:21:46] » Okay. You mean to make a motion to extend the meeting?

[3:21:51] » Okay. Yeah, sure. >> Go ahead.

[3:21:53] » I'd like to make a motion to extend the meeting till

[3:21:56] » I can't type >> 9:45.

[3:22:02] » How about that? >> 9:35.

[3:22:06] » Up to >> Okay. Is there a second?

[3:22:09] » I'll second. >> Okay. It's been moved by Councilwoman

[3:22:12] Blackwells and seconded by Councilman Rumler.

[3:22:16] » Andrew Young. Yes. Brown rumble. Yes.

[3:22:19] » Oh, Sarah Blackwell. Yes. Handman. Yes. In the interest of time only.

[3:22:23] » Okay. >> Okay. Um Kaden.

[3:22:30] » Uh the only update I have is just I think we had a successful round of

[3:22:34] committee meetings for the finalization of the small area plan. I think everyone

[3:22:39] participated from the council. I think almost everyone participated from the

[3:22:43] planning commission as well as Andy Spencer. Uh, so I think it was really

[3:22:48] well done. I think we have the updates we want. The next I think at the next

[3:22:52] council meeting I'll have those updates ready for you to have a final approval

[3:22:55] on them and then I will send them back to the consultant.

[3:22:58] » Okay. >> Thanks.

[3:23:04] » Wait, Kayen, it doesn't have to go back to the planning commission at all. And I

[3:23:09] thought you wanted a public hearing. No. Oh, that's after the final.

[3:23:14] » What were the last step? What are the last steps we have to do to make it

[3:23:18] approved? >> So, it's already done the public

[3:23:20] hearing. I think we are open to having another one. I don't know if it's

[3:23:23] required. >> So, we did two already. I think that's

[3:23:25] what Ryan was talking about before. Yeah,

[3:23:27] » they did the initial public hearing, but it didn't get noticed very well. And so,

[3:23:31] a lot of people said, "Hey, I wanted to come talk about that."

[3:23:34] » And so, they held a second public hearing with the planning commission.

[3:23:37] So, when you referenced that in your notes, I think that was the second one

[3:23:39] Ryan was talking about. >> I thought Shane had advised that. Have

[3:23:42] you have you have you not >> you can

[3:23:46] you can have one if you choose. I think >> I meant when it's like done done before

[3:23:51] we vote and approve it. >> I don't think it's required but you

[3:23:55] could it seems like we might have done that with the conservation easement.

[3:24:00] » That was much more controversial. >> And so our general feeling is it's been

[3:24:04] out in the public enough and that would be an unnecessary step. I just want to

[3:24:08] be clear. Yeah, that's that's my feeling. Unless someone has a other

[3:24:13] points to the contrary. >> You're saying you want to just end it at

[3:24:18] this and vote on it and like approve it. >> Yeah, there's no two public hearings.

[3:24:22] » It would be an unrequired like going an extra step.

[3:24:24] » It's not required, right? >> Not required.

[3:24:26] » Well, if everyone feels comfortable with all the changes, I say a good vote on it

[3:24:29] is good. Okay. >> We've all put a lot of input into it.

[3:24:33] » Can we send you any last things or is there a Here here's one thing that I can

[3:24:37] foresee happening. I can foresee you bringing it forward and Andrew being

[3:24:41] like, I want to change that one little little thing and these guys getting mad.

[3:24:45] Um, can you send it to us like a couple days before? So, if there's any last

[3:24:49] things that were like, oh, >> that's a good idea.

[3:24:51] » This last thing, >> could we just buffer this?

[3:24:54] » Yeah, don't send it to us on Friday. That thing is massive. Okay. Can you

[3:24:57] just give us like, guys, have a review any last changes?

[3:25:01] » Give everybody a deadline. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because cuz

[3:25:04] » so the deadline September 1st is what Chrissy originally set up

[3:25:07] » to get our edits to you. >> Yes. And so all the next meeting

[3:25:10] September >> was the deadline.

[3:25:13] » Last Tuesday. >> No, it's in a week from today.

[3:25:15] » Oh, so you want edits by But we don't even know what the final edits are

[3:25:17] because he's doing all the changes we made.

[3:25:19] » That's what that's what he's saying. No, no. If

[3:25:21] » when is he going to get that version to us?

[3:25:23] » We're talking about when he gives us the final. It's like when you read a

[3:25:25] contract, you read it one time. >> He knows. But

[3:25:28] » so yeah, so the next meeting is in two weeks, September 8th. If the final edits

[3:25:32] are due September 1st, when do you want that document?

[3:25:36] » The second week of the second meeting. >> Oh, okay.

[3:25:41] » What do you mean the second meeting? >> Prior to

[3:25:43] » Well, because the consultant is trying to make all our edits.

[3:25:46] » No, no, no, no. He's making the edit. >> I thought you were saying we wanted you

[3:25:48] wanted one more look before I give it to the consultant.

[3:25:51] » We have to approve the edits before they go to the consultant.

[3:25:54] » Oh, you're right. That was in there. Thank you for that. I I forgot. One more

[3:25:58] vote after that to Thank you, Brent. That's why you're a lawyer.

[3:26:02] » Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. There's one vote for the edits

[3:26:05] approved. There's one vote for the adoption. So that'll

[3:26:08] » work. So we need to approve the edits on the 8th is what you're saying.

[3:26:11] » And that's what we'd like to get a week ahead of time if we can.

[3:26:14] » Yeah. >> Time to

[3:26:16] » How soon can you get this to council? >> But don't do you still have the

[3:26:19] spreadsheet? >> Yeah. I mean I have everything ready. I

[3:26:22] know we're we're keeping the date open till the first, but maybe I'll just try

[3:26:25] to send it out that same day. >> I think I think we're done. I think we

[3:26:29] need that's our deadline too to get it back to you by the first.

[3:26:32] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[3:26:32] » Like if you can just email it in the next few days and we can get it back to

[3:26:36] you by the first. >> Okay.

[3:26:37] » Thank you, Kayen. Anything else? I can do

[3:26:40] » Oh, and then Shane was having me bring up So, we do have our consultant, we've

[3:26:44] had three consultant groups that are willing to do the code update for the

[3:26:49] small area plan for us that have set sent in RFPs. So, we're going to look at

[3:26:55] what we think of those three, which one's the best, and then we'll I think

[3:26:58] we'll have that maybe at the next meeting as well, right?

[3:27:00] » So, that should be able to hit the ground running when this gets adopted.

[3:27:04] » We're also thinking that if it works out well with the relationship that we might

[3:27:09] go with that firm and approach them about our planner part time.

[3:27:14] » Okay. Anything else, Shane? >> Uh,

[3:27:18] yeah. So, let's see. Just Alpine Days. Uh Heidi's not here right now, but she

[3:27:25] did awesome. She worked herself to death.

[3:27:28] » She really did. And >> yeah, she needed the week off

[3:27:33] » and she'll be back to work tomorrow. But um so there'll be a report. It takes

[3:27:38] quite a while to get everything in and um we have couple things to follow up

[3:27:43] on. Um we'll report on that later. uh

[3:27:49] Burgess Park Burgess Park court lighting. Um that project there were two

[3:27:55] left. I'm not sure what the hold up was, but I haven't made it down there to see

[3:27:58] if they were finished. But everything I hear, they love the new lights and it

[3:28:03] was 100% grant funded. Um which is great.

[3:28:07] » I had people reach out thanking you for that and saying how wonderful they were.

[3:28:10] Whitey Whitey Anson reached out. So it was massive improvement. Yeah, I've

[3:28:14] tried to call him a few times and we played phone tag, so I haven't actually

[3:28:17] got to talk to him. >> He wants to give you a hug.

[3:28:19] » He's traveling. >> Yeah. Um,

[3:28:23] uh, I brought up at our Lone Peak staff meeting, uh, a month ago, I guess, about

[3:28:29] our the check that we should be getting from fund balance, and that did come

[3:28:33] last week. Um, let's see. LPC, I mentioned the 6,000

[3:28:40] foot lot thing. It's kind of concerning. >> Um, they also brought up potential

[3:28:48] legislation on flaw cameras and license plate reader type cameras. That might be

[3:28:54] coming. Um, and then fireworks. They think that they'll

[3:28:58] I thought it was going to go the other way because of the fireworks lobby and

[3:29:02] maybe it will in the end, but um the thought right now is that they would

[3:29:06] make it an easier process in the situation we had this year for a city to

[3:29:11] put further restrictions in. >> That would be so we'll see where that

[3:29:15] all goes. >> Uh

[3:29:19] the I work uh Don's continuing to work on the onboarding there. Um I texted him

[3:29:25] but I haven't heard back yet to see. It should be it was like six weeks and I

[3:29:30] think we're there. So we're about there. Said that's going well.

[3:29:37] Got the 912 day of service coming up. 911 day on the the 11th or on the 12th.

[3:29:44] Yeah. >> Um there will be some good projects

[3:29:47] there. >> Does that start at 9:00 a.m.?

[3:29:50] » Uh I don't know on the timing right now. They'll be publishing it. They have a

[3:29:54] website and everything. >> It's either eight or nine. I can't

[3:29:57] remember what they said. >> And some of them like they're building a

[3:30:00] trail bridge. Sometimes they'll start at six just getting the cool weather and

[3:30:04] whatever. But >> so more information to come there.

[3:30:08] » And that's all I have right now. >> So I read that the governor's office was

[3:30:13] going to be doing an audit on the looking for potential misuse for the

[3:30:18] flot cameras. there might be something coming from the state to because I know

[3:30:22] that some of the concern the main concern is abuse of the of the of the

[3:30:28] system. So it sounds like the governor's office is going to commission an audit

[3:30:31] of that. That's all.

[3:30:34] » Okay. >> I don't have anything.

[3:30:37] » Okay. Chrissy, >> just a reminder, just a reminder,

[3:30:42] tomorrow at noon, there's training on our roles for our city of a mayor vibe

[3:30:50] council organization. Um, sponsored by the Utah League of

[3:30:54] [clears throat] Towns at noon. That's it.

[3:30:57] » Um, okay. Uh, some of these we went over, we I sent the signs. So, you're

[3:31:04] all aware of that, right, Shane? You're aware of the no dog leash and I think he

[3:31:09] knows. >> Yeah, Heidi's working on it. She just

[3:31:11] got back in town. >> Thank you for all that.

[3:31:13] » Hey, that training is actually Thursday. >> Oh,

[3:31:17] » thank you. It's Thursday. >> Well, that makes it easier.

[3:31:20] » I have it on the wrong day on my own personal calendar. Thank you.

[3:31:27] » Um, okay. There was a crosswalks um

[3:31:32] agenda item that Jessica and I had sent to y'all. Um should we do any planning

[3:31:38] to get that ready or anything for that? >> I it's it's for some of the crosswalks

[3:31:43] they brought up but for painting some >> uh I sent it on I so I just wondered if

[3:31:49] we should be prepared for next week or the or the next meeting or which meeting

[3:31:52] for that one. >> There there were some general locations

[3:31:55] but some of them weren't exact. I think we just need to talk. I don't

[3:31:59] even I don't know that it's going to need to come to the council unless it's

[3:32:03] a new one that requires a warrant study. >> So, do you just want us to Well, it was

[3:32:07] two of them were new, two of them were uh to paint over.

[3:32:12] » The genesis of it was when we were watching the Mountainville Academy

[3:32:16] parking and we realized where people were parking and the new one looks good

[3:32:20] and people can see it and the older ones around there. And then we thought of the

[3:32:23] other well mostly because Alpine days were next to the kid with his leg, you

[3:32:27] know, in a stretcher thing who got hit where they were talking about the Grove

[3:32:33] and Alpine Boulevard. That's the other one. So, what would be the proper

[3:32:37] format? Uh because if we did the two signature thing, would should we just go

[3:32:41] directly have a meeting with you or something?

[3:32:43] » So, on that one, I mean, if the council wants us to

[3:32:46] » is that something we should >> look at a warrant study for a four-way

[3:32:49] stop there, we can do that. >> Well, it wasn't for the four-way. It was

[3:32:52] just for crosswalks. We can add that if you want, but it was for crosswalks.

[3:32:56] » How much are warrant studies? Just out of curiosity,

[3:33:00] » they're not cheap. Um, I'm trying to remember.

[3:33:05] » Look one up that we did on Westfield and see what it

[3:33:08] » we have to have a warrant study to put in a four-way stop.

[3:33:12] » Um, that's what the MUTCD says. Um there might be

[3:33:19] a little provision in there something about local approvals but they recommend

[3:33:24] it's I might say guidance. >> So for speed sakes would it be okay just

[3:33:28] to do a discussion item on those and then we can just talk about it and

[3:33:31] figure out what direction everyone wants to go for those crosswalks and

[3:33:35] potentially a stop sign. >> I would like to I would like to find out

[3:33:40] if it's warranted now. Right. >> Okay. So maybe a discussion item on

[3:33:43] that. Is that okay with the downhill speeds there? I think that's that's kind

[3:33:47] of a a nasty intersection. >> I I live off road and I've seen

[3:33:52] » Yeah, >> people expect I'd be in favor of people

[3:33:54] expect it to be a four-way stop. So sometimes

[3:33:57] » Well, what would you all like to do? A discussion item, a vote, or should I

[3:34:00] just go directly through Shane to try to help with the crosswalks?

[3:34:02] » I mean, I don't think it won't be over 15,000. So on on the the four-way stop

[3:34:09] warrant. >> So

[3:34:11] » why would you like me to do I'm happy to do whatever. I think it's I think we

[3:34:14] should >> You're saying that there was one

[3:34:15] conducted according to that resident like a few years ago and it didn't

[3:34:19] warrant one >> conducted what Jed did. He looked at he

[3:34:22] contacted the police department and look for crash history. So that's one of the

[3:34:26] bullet points as part of the warrant study and the crash history didn't meet

[3:34:32] what the warrant said it should to justify a four-way stop.

[3:34:36] » Is that just one factor though? >> That's one of the factors.

[3:34:39] » But you have to meet like a serious >> We didn't do we didn't do a warrant

[3:34:41] study. No, >> I I I would I would be in favor of doing

[3:34:44] a war study. >> I as well I would be in favor of that.

[3:34:48] » Okay. All right. >> What else? Sandra.

[3:34:50] » Well, hold on. That took a turn. >> Uh I guess I can work on that then.

[3:34:56] Jessica, if Jessica was here, she would be saying this. Um there, this is with

[3:35:01] Sarah. We have the zoning change meeting. If anyone else wants to be

[3:35:04] involved in that, just as a heads up, it's on the back side of uh on the back

[3:35:10] side of Main Street looking at some of the houses to change the zoning to

[3:35:14] residential. So, that's a meeting we're having and if that's something that any

[3:35:19] of you have any problems with or concerns, let let us know. Um that we

[3:35:24] have a height fix meeting, a speed reduction one, and then I sent with

[3:35:28] Brent and I the fire uh the fire mitigation project. Is there anything

[3:35:33] that holds that up or does it just come forward?

[3:35:34] » Well, we were going to ask the chief to you asked the chief to

[3:35:38] » he came by and talked to me. He didn't say any problems. He says he wants to

[3:35:40] walk it, but I don't again this is most of these are I'm just bringing up

[3:35:43] because of process we both signed. Does it come up for a vote? Do we or do we

[3:35:48] need like the chief to okay it for a vote? Is there kind of like that as

[3:35:52] well? >> I would like the chief's input. But in

[3:35:54] » Okay. So, maybe walk it with them. Is that

[3:35:56] » in light of the new information that we do have a completed CWPP

[3:36:01] » because I had heard it's, you know, it's almost done. It's almost done. It's

[3:36:04] almost done. This is actually the first time that I've heard that it's actually

[3:36:08] completed. I would really like to look at our resources to be able to um go for

[3:36:14] a larger chunk of money. Okay. >> And to really kind of go after these,

[3:36:18] you know, border areas. >> This project was only three grand. So

[3:36:21] just it was it's the whole just so you know it's the um it's from basically the

[3:36:26] entire trail from the river trail. So when you're in Lambert it's the river

[3:36:31] trail to the Zurker's house. It's that trail and there's just to have a walk on

[3:36:35] it. There's dead wood dead the entire way both sides. So it's just to clear

[3:36:40] that out. No living no nothing. Uh I think we could do it in volunteers. So

[3:36:46] » yeah let's get the opinion of the chief and then move forward.

[3:36:48] » Okay. That gives me d that gives me direction. That's a good start.

[3:36:51] » Okay. Uh the there's you already went over the flock cameras. Deian's going to

[3:36:57] send that. And then >> um there's a running thing in a CP3

[3:37:01] thing that we submitted. Are you okay with those? Are those okay?

[3:37:05] » Those present presentations. Do do you by chance know will those be next

[3:37:09] council meeting or we don't know yet. >> I think we'll look at the agenda and see

[3:37:12] how it looks like. Like >> we'll let you know.

[3:37:14] » This is the issue. We thought this meeting would be over before now and

[3:37:18] it's >> last one is the fences. You just want me

[3:37:20] to give you exact places where you want me to put that and that's the last

[3:37:24] thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I think I have a little

[3:37:27] bit of input, but I from what I've hearing from the council, you guys just

[3:37:30] want it to come as as you have it. And so I think you putting it in the

[3:37:34] ordinance where you think it should go is is a good

[3:37:37] » Is that still going to come up just as a discussion item then or?

[3:37:40] » Yes. First, >> if it's a discussion item, I think it

[3:37:43] would be okay just to bring it as is to discuss each point and see if anyone has

[3:37:46] a problem with any of them. It's the It's the fence ordinance basically just

[3:37:51] dialed down to it would do this, this, and this. And if you have any problems

[3:37:55] with it, then I could put it into the actual script.

[3:37:57] » But if I'm understanding what you're proposing, you're saying add the

[3:38:00] language you sent me into the current ordinance. Are you saying this is all

[3:38:04] we're we want now for the fence ordinance?

[3:38:07] » Well, it's just the original concept. Uh, it's the original concept 8 foot to

[3:38:12] six feet unless it's open. >> Yeah. uh strategy,

[3:38:14] » but do you want all the other lang because there's a lot of language in the

[3:38:17] fence ordinance longer than what you sent me.

[3:38:19] » Do you want that still there plus everything you have or

[3:38:23] » Oh, yeah. It just changes minor words in the current fence

[3:38:26] » or so that that's the only reason I was suggesting if you want to just put it

[3:38:29] where you think all these should go. >> Yeah,

[3:38:31] » that will help us I think with a productive discussion.

[3:38:33] » I think I think that's it. >> Will we um will we also get your

[3:38:37] thoughts on >> Yeah, I'm happy to provide my thoughts

[3:38:40] as well. I'd like to know that for sure. Yeah. Then to be totally clear on the

[3:38:45] process, it will have to go back. If there's

[3:38:48] » if the council says, "Hey, we want this to move forward." Then it would have to

[3:38:52] go back, have a public hearing, go through planning commission, they make a

[3:38:55] recommendation, council, >> and it would be on here for action.

[3:38:58] » Right. We're we're greasing our joints for how we do this. So, thanks.

[3:39:01] » Just make sure that's everything. Thank you.

[3:39:03] » Okay. Um just the centric com if you guys can help spread the word to ask

[3:39:08] people to take a screenshot of their speed tests and then they can um email

[3:39:13] me and then the city needs to make a map and so we need the data in order to get

[3:39:17] that to centric com before they can get started and then should we talk about

[3:39:21] the donation? So we have a donation from a resident um

[3:39:27] but it is not coming directly to the city. It's going towards projects that

[3:39:31] this person is supporting. $100,000 to the mountain bike trail that is

[3:39:36] currently being um worked on in Three Falls, $150,000 going to the rodeo, and

[3:39:42] then $250,000 going towards playground equipment for one of the rings at

[3:39:48] Creekide. So that's >> the rings.

[3:39:52] » That's very generous. >> Please tell them thank you. That's very

[3:39:55] generous. >> Thank you, whoever you are, resident.

[3:39:57] » Going to remain anonymous. Um I I wasn't quite sure how they wanted it. No, the

[3:40:03] the playground one it will have a plaque. Um and then the trail I believe

[3:40:10] will have a name associated with it. And then I'm not sure about the rodeo. We

[3:40:18] don't have um this came I'm asking which is awesome about this donation but the

[3:40:23] heritage foundation um is trying to come up with a naming process and ordinance

[3:40:28] so that when they get these donations for the sculpture garden and it needs to

[3:40:32] be consistent with what we do. So as far as I know we don't have a naming

[3:40:36] ordinance and I know we did the softball I'm sorry the baseball park too. So, is

[3:40:42] can we add that to your list, Kaden, to >> we we already have it on there

[3:40:46] » to make sure that we get that in place so that they're in compliance with ours

[3:40:50] instead of the other way around. >> So, Steve and I met with Bob Hansen just

[3:40:54] over a Zoom call last Friday, I think, and talked about this and and some other

[3:41:02] things. And they're getting their attorney to talk to Steve because Steve

[3:41:06] had some concerns with some things that just needed to be ironed out. So, it's

[3:41:10] that's why it wasn't presented tonight. It's still being worked on.

[3:41:15] » So, um is is ours more restrictive? >> Um so,

[3:41:22] » less restrictive. >> We don't have a gift acceptance policy.

[3:41:26] And so, that's that's what they said a lot of cities that they work with will

[3:41:32] adopt. >> The Heritage Foundation said that. Okay.

[3:41:35] » So, that's that's what we're working on. So that would would whatever we do would

[3:41:40] apply equally to the sculpture garden as well as like a private donation even

[3:41:44] like our new building over here. All of that would fall under one umbrella.

[3:41:48] » I think I think so. I haven't seen an ordinance like this but I think so.

[3:41:53] » So we talked about that a couple years ago when we did baseball name like we

[3:41:56] don't want to do it in perpetuity. Let's have some standards.

[3:41:59] » So just to be clear the donation >> Ryan was working on it and he just never

[3:42:03] got it >> finished.

[3:42:06] » Okay. Anything else? If not, I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn.

[3:42:12] » I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Is there a second?

[3:42:14] » Second. >> Okay. All in favor?

[3:42:17] » I >> I

[3:42:18] » We did it by 9:45.

[3:42:23] » Yeah.

[3:42:27] » Good night, everybody. Late breath midnight.

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