[0:01] Good evening everyone, lovely to see such a cat house tonight.

[0:08] Welcome to the June 20th Council meeting to start things off. Will you please join me for the pledge of allegiance?

[0:15] How would I get the date share?

[0:18] I've played two years, two and a half years.

[0:20] I'm a United States mayor of Europe,

[0:22] and I'm sure you're going to have a little bit of a good day

[0:24] and an organization that I've got in it as well,

[0:28] the liberty and thus this is all.

[0:35] You're toast.

[0:36] Present.

[0:40] Here.

[0:41] The sheet.

[0:42] The centers in here.

[0:44] The center of the college.

[0:44] Here.

[0:45] This course.

[0:54] Before we start tonight's regular program,

[0:58] a chief boardhouse.

[0:59] He has some present.

[1:01] But even the air, what are you doing?

[1:05] What's a recognized three of our hands

[1:08] of a girl crossing the river?

[1:12] Oh, no.

[1:16] No.

[1:16] Not easily, they stand out to condition, you know,

[1:18] they eat the cold, the rain sometimes, just no.

[1:23] And their job is very important for the safety

[1:25] of our children in the river.

[1:28] So it wasn't my idea.

[1:30] It was very well, very wet.

[1:32] It's for writing the script.

[1:34] I can hear the script.

[1:35] I can't take the credit.

[1:37] So Terry and often in the top, they're charged with recruiting

[1:42] and managing a overnight crock in the market.

[1:46] He's always revolving.

[1:48] We're constantly losing and we need to get into the one.

[1:52] It's sometimes to be challenged and she covered crock and golfing.

[1:56] And often, you know, you know.

[1:59] So what I'd like to present tonight,

[2:02] Starting with the Lord of the Shari.

[2:05] First, thank you.

[2:16] All that is correct.

[2:18] If you follow that, I don't know why.

[2:21] And we're also doing that.

[2:22] You can do that.

[2:24] You can do that.

[2:35] Thank you.

[2:36] Thank you.

[2:37] Thank you.

[2:39] Thank you.

[2:41] Thank you.

[2:42] Thank you.

[2:43] Yes.

[2:45] Yes.

[2:45] I'm not there.

[2:48] I'm just like, 10.

[3:06] I'm just like, 1-2.

[3:12] Yeah, 1-2, 3-2.

[3:15] Oh, really?

[3:16] I've been to 1-3.

[3:17] I know, I'm just like, that's right.

[3:19] And also, we have figuratively.

[3:21] It's a ball of horns.

[3:25] I'm just like,

[3:36] 1-2.

[3:37] And once again,

[4:26] Thank

[4:32] you all for watching.

[4:35] Thank you.

[4:36] Thank you.

[4:37] Thank you.

[4:44] Okay,

[4:52] so then our first year of business is evening.

[5:15] The committee will consider the following recommendations.

[5:23] The May 2023 bills be paid in the amount of $2,036,830 and $030 and $030.

[5:33] Number two, attached for consideration is an ordinance for a residential inspection program for resell properties.

[5:40] The committee will consider advertising the ordinance for adoption.

[5:44] Number three, attached are the bids for the Edgewood Drive Storm Pipe Grant.

[5:48] Recommendation for contract award is requested.

[5:51] The grant funds do not cover the low-bid contract costs.

[5:54] A decision is needed to move forward using reserve funds to cover the shortage.

[5:59] And then, number four, the public hearing is being moved to a later date for the Amplero Lake View

[6:05] Development application.

[6:10] And the following business will be discussed.

[6:11] The Burrow Engineers Report was received.

[6:16] All right, so we'll start with number two, which is why I assume almost all of you are here.

[6:24] So, I want to try to run this in the most organized way that we can, and after watching

[6:36] last week, last two weeks ago meeting, it's a little disjointed hard to follow, so what

[6:42] I want to do is break down each section of the ordinance and go one piece at a time where we'll

[6:48] Committee discussion, Council discussion, and then public comment on just one thing at a time, so we'll go through the electrical

[6:55] Committee, Council Public, we'll go through sidewalks, Committee Council Public. I think it'll be easier

[7:02] for everybody to follow, get their thoughts out and

[7:06] Just keep it more clear. So

[7:10] One other reminder, there's a lot of people here try to keep just

[7:15] Just remember that only one person can speak at a time during comment, and we'll make sure we hear everyone, whatever one has to say.

[7:26] So, what I would like to start with is the section of the ordinance 11207 exterior maintenance. I know it's in the middle, but I think this one might be one of the easiest sections to deal with.

[7:41] My recollection of last meeting is that it seemed that the consensus was to get rid of this portion of the ordinance.

[7:51] So, that would be my preferences to get rid of the exterior maintenance inspection.

[7:56] But, and that was my recollection as that was kind of the consensus, but let's see how many comments from the committee first.

[8:02] I do think House numbers are important. Can we replace that with an affidavit saying that the House numbers are posted or will be posted within 30 days of purchase?

[8:12] That's a good idea.

[8:13] I agree with that.

[8:15] Okay.

[8:18] Any other thoughts from the committee on the exterior maintenance inspection?

[8:25] Rest the council?

[8:27] Yeah.

[8:28] I like just breaking it down to affidavit.

[8:30] Okay.

[8:32] That makes sense to me.

[8:33] Anything else from Council before I go into the public on this section alone?

[8:38] All right. Does anybody from the public want to make any comment on that specific section of the ordinance?

[8:45] Exterior maintenance inspection.

[8:50] If you want to.

[8:52] Yeah. Why?

[8:54] If you don't mind coming up to the microphone, state your name and address and.

[9:01] So Tim Deggan, 50 Church Street, who worked free, so I just understood that section I of that section is canceled,

[9:11] and then just that's already in the existence,

[9:20] that's nothing new from the process.

[9:23] I don't think so, yeah, and it would be an affidavit, not an inspection, so there won't be a requirement for somebody to come out to that.

[9:38] I believe so, yes.

[9:41] Yes, so help. Any other?

[9:43] I'm handling one of our applications.

[9:45] Yeah. I think you said it, but I don't know if everybody

[9:46] heard it when you were getting started. You were into the

[9:49] new order of all tonight.

[9:51] Right. Yeah.

[9:52] So there is a vote tonight.

[9:53] Right.

[10:01] So any of those changes that we suggest tonight will go

[10:03] back to we could vote to I guess to advertise it or

[10:07] descend it back to Joe depending on how much change we

[10:10] make, but we won't be making a final vote tonight.

[10:14] Okay.

[10:25] So.

[10:25] You have to.

[10:26] You have to.

[10:27] Bring it on.

[10:28] I'm going to send it.

[10:29] My question is.

[10:31] As you're going to remember viewing a piece.

[10:34] That won't be the same.

[10:35] I'm going to be close to.

[10:38] It would be voted on and that's right.

[10:41] Yes.

[10:48] So the next thing we'll do is I'm going to combine.

[10:54] Super lateral inspection requirements and backflow prevention requirements.

[10:58] requirements. I think that they go together well. They're both the plumbing issues.

[11:04] So, I

[11:08] guess what I'd like to do first if possible, Mary, if you could give the explanation

[11:13] for what specifically is the backflow protector and any DEP changes regarding the backflow.

[11:19] We currently have a requirement for it back to us,

[11:22] and then this is nothing else.

[11:23] This is already in our words.

[11:26] Where we do have a great time sometimes

[11:27] as we do not perceive these.

[11:29] But we do, attempting to go back to get into a part

[11:32] and do to look at it, we're very small.

[11:35] We're pumping it, you know, there's a lot of questions.

[11:36] We're very small.

[11:38] We get to a point where you can pretend you need

[11:40] or the top or the top.

[11:41] We end up setting front and shut off letters

[11:44] to get into a house because we are poor.

[11:46] I mean, I'm busy, no one opens a mail, no one opens the letters.

[11:49] So it's a little tough.

[11:50] If back to a preventive, is a requirement about six months ago,

[11:54] three five months ago, our account is actually a

[11:57] priority company to handle the outside.

[11:59] There's inspections, there's fees, this is not only outside.

[12:02] They did not do that for the internal customer.

[12:04] They didn't want to put that on and so that company on them chasing

[12:07] them down and all the fees.

[12:09] But it still needs to be done to protect the entire

[12:11] water supply, the only requirement, this is not a

[12:14] we're making up randomly to assign fees or anything to anyone else.

[12:19] Not getting information back is tough.

[12:23] The second part of this, the new requirement that we are

[12:26] roughing our heads around in the last couple of months is we need to identify

[12:29] through every house if there is a lead, whether it's in the street, whether it's in the

[12:34] brown, whether it's in the connection coming into the house.

[12:38] We've learned money and we've learned about everyone's platform.

[12:42] There's no other way to tell, rather than

[12:44] going inside looking at the place coming in the house

[12:47] and we can determine if it's galvanized in the place.

[12:50] This is not something the borough is deciding

[12:53] to do on the run where required to do this are intent

[12:56] to save money and to save going into everyone's house.

[13:00] The borough is to strategically, when we get closing,

[13:04] we can look at the address, look at the development.

[13:07] When we don't see, don't have seen crying during

[13:09] And it turned into a work in two, three of these houses, and there's no like, it's crazy.

[13:15] So those two items are not thorough, wishless items to put these or limitations of one humblers.

[13:24] They are requirements that are weak, hot to go.

[13:28] So that is the backflip for better and the led pipe.

[13:32] So that is why we need to get it.

[13:34] Joe will adjust the third part of this, which is the eye not.

[13:39] So laterals, of course, are the connect the home to the sewer main system in many systems.

[13:45] The laterals, when we add them all together, are as long as the main system, because there's so many of them.

[13:51] The connection where the lateral meets the main is often a point of the control, as is all laterals themselves.

[14:01] The mind can have inflow an infiltration from stormwater or ground-wine that find the way

[14:08] into those cracks.

[14:09] And then once they're into that system, they have to be treated at the plant.

[14:13] So the treatment plant is only made to treat sanitary sewer, but when you have cracks in the

[14:18] system, we can have an upset of millions of gallons in one grain of that that we have

[14:28] We've been under a consent order with people once a year,

[14:32] where we are all the people in the concentration.

[14:35] One of the most important ways that that's done,

[14:38] and it's wanted to be this power everywhere in the viral inspections.

[14:44] Because generally, it's expected as often as the means,

[14:47] for the means, the birth is higher to come in,

[14:50] and you have to turn around on one of the means they know what they've got.

[14:53] with the lateral pressure and all we need to do is show whether you can do that and that's what you can do.

[15:00] The matter was whether it's a privacy right, whether it's just, you know, it makes people angry, whatever the reason.

[15:06] The matter was don't get inspected as often, so that makes it more critical that they get inspected at this time of the transfer when people have money out at their transactional money.

[15:17] And there's an opportunity to get collateral fits.

[15:20] It is, again, not just something that is made up by the borough to impose the last one people.

[15:26] is an obligation to reduce inflowary infiltrations of the services.

[15:30] Yeah, I'm going to take that one step further.

[15:33] I call it our ways to retrieve a plan, which is a smaller plan, which

[15:36] you've for lower-minded with being white-marish, amber, and upper-double-end.

[15:40] The last one is to bring that we had, we had an additional 5 million gallons

[15:45] going into the plan.

[15:47] Over two inches of rain, in one day, 15 million.

[15:51] So, this is a critical problem, we are treating this, we are paying for it, and our plant

[15:57] can only take so much.

[15:58] If it overflows, it goes into the creek, it impacts everyone, it impacts drinking water,

[16:03] and we know what's being in the barrel, we've had floods here, we have oil times to flip

[16:07] over.

[16:08] All of these things go into the creek, if the plant can't handle that flow and can't treat

[16:13] it, we're in a very, very bad way.

[16:15] So these are very important things that we're doing and we're doing it to be able to provide

[16:19] Clean water keeps it, keeps the creeps clean, which we need to do, and to protect the

[16:24] homeless from us having fines and costly repairs, and, you know, the worst of it would be

[16:30] where they don't allow us to have any work done, and you can't put additional in your house,

[16:34] you can't increase your flow, you can put an in-law suite in, there's, it stops all of our

[16:39] development in the area for many challenges. So, it's also not, there's, there's some guy here

[16:47] tonight who's moving to get me fired because I'm an idiot.

[16:51] That's that guy.

[16:53] So to clarify, if you look to that, to clarify, the ordinance does not require any

[17:02] disclosure in anybody's agreement of sale.

[17:04] Nobody's telling you what you have to disclose in an agreement of sale.

[17:08] There is a state law that says that the town's local towns can't tell you what you

[17:12] have to disclose in an agreement of sale.

[17:14] And there is absolutely no attention you are to do that.

[17:19] No, no, no.

[17:20] They're all coming.

[17:22] We'll take public comment.

[17:24] We'll take public comment once we get to not yet.

[17:27] I'll tell you.

[17:29] We will take public comment when it is time for public comments.

[17:32] Our promise we will get to you.

[17:35] So I do want to back up to a little bit of the four of what Mary and Joe explains,

[17:40] just a brief primer on our water and wastewater systems.

[17:46] Any water that goes down a drain in a building, toilets,

[17:51] sinks, showers, washing machines, dishwashers.

[17:55] All of that water goes to our wastewater treatment plant

[17:58] down at the end of South Man Street,

[18:00] where those do an extensive system of purification,

[18:05] because then it is literally dumped right down there

[18:08] right into the creek, where down the stream it becomes filled

[18:12] off your drinking water.

[18:13] So we have very, very high mandated levels of what we need

[18:17] to treat that water for before we can release it out into the creek.

[18:22] Water from storms that goes down the storm drains

[18:25] in the sides of the streets.

[18:28] All of those drains go directly into the creek.

[18:31] That water is not treated at all.

[18:34] So that's why you're not allowed to dump it anything gross,

[18:37] let alone toxic, down those storm drains in the streets.

[18:42] When a your sewer lateral that goes into your house is old, like many of ours are, like many

[18:49] of ours, more of this all affects all of us too, and as Joe mentioned, when we have a huge

[18:56] drain event, if there are cracks in that pipe that is meant to take wastewater from the drains

[19:03] in your house out into our waste water treatment system, and water gets in there through all

[19:09] the cracks. That's how that's why when these big rain events overflow and just completely

[19:17] overwhelm our waste water treatment plant because they are meant to take the waste water for inside

[19:23] of our buildings. That plant does not design to treat storm water runoff. And if we start, we all know

[19:32] we're getting more rain than we ever used to.

[19:34] If we need to start expanding our plants

[19:38] to handle all of this additional water

[19:41] that is going into that plant that is not supposed

[19:44] to be going into that plant, we'll have to expand the plant.

[19:49] And that means everybody's sewer rates will go off.

[19:54] And it means that we won't be allowed to add

[19:57] any more customers to the plant, which means

[20:00] that new bathroom you want to put in your house, you're not going to be allowed to do it.

[20:05] So, again, the boroughs not making any money on any of this stuff.

[20:10] These are all for the good of the boroughs, for all the different reasons we're going to

[20:14] discuss tonight at all of these different levels.

[20:15] One other thing good is just to add to the other topic that I mean,

[20:19] there's the law that says that local towns can't tell you what to put in agreement with sale.

[20:22] That's the one I mentioned. There's a separate law that says that you can adopt these progress.

[20:27] It's just a specific law about that.

[20:30] Now, in a sense, what you can do, you can't require a escrow.

[20:33] You can't hold people up over settle the date, okay?

[20:36] But the law is based on the premise that you are allowed to have these programs as

[20:41] deafness and municipalities, which is half of the suggestion that it's illegal is just completely

[20:46] incorrect.

[20:48] Yeah.

[20:48] We're actually in a minority of municipalities that don't have any of these requirements.

[20:57] Thank you.

[20:58] Back to you, Lily.

[20:59] Okay.

[21:00] So we'll discuss with the committee first.

[21:02] I did have actually two questions.

[21:04] I guess for either Jell or Mary, I'm not sure.

[21:08] Where did we come up with the numbers in here, the 24 months,

[21:11] and then the five years?

[21:13] Is there just suggestions?

[21:15] There are all kinds of discussions.

[21:16] Can you change it?

[21:17] Okay.

[21:18] So do we, do you know what these average life span of a new lateral would be?

[21:26] Like, one that's put in now, like if we replace it today, not like no, we have one that has been in 50 years so they could be perfectly fine.

[21:34] We had ones that were put in a Madison state, the water lines that we already have weeks and they are two years old.

[21:41] We have ones in a bird that are harder to solve and still don't.

[21:45] So you really don't know, so two years, three years, you can make it five years.

[21:49] Glenn just put a number in there, you know, based on our, we're a scenario.

[21:53] Okay.

[21:54] You feel free to.

[21:56] So those numbers.

[21:56] Those were very common links at time.

[21:59] Okay.

[21:59] Yeah.

[22:00] That was going to be my next question.

[22:02] I know some of the neighboring municipalities have this, a lot of neighboring municipalities

[22:07] have sewer lateral inspection.

[22:08] I know Norris Town does, North Wales does, half field does, those are just a couple examples.

[22:15] But I was wondering if what their time frames were if they were similar to this or shorter

[22:20] or longer.

[22:21] If you now intended to be roughly in average of what we were seeing, but we'd best, the actual time frames, nobody's lost, but they're not a legal advantage.

[22:31] All right.

[22:32] And I think we're wondering that too, because if a house gets, you know, a fine-save a problem, replace their lateral, and then two years later they sell, are they going to have to get inspected again?

[22:43] They shouldn't have to, that's when you can make it three years, you can make it five years, you know, I think anything in that window you're fine.

[22:49] Well, it's five years.

[22:50] It's five years now.

[22:52] Five years.

[22:53] Five years.

[22:54] But that's only for inspection.

[22:55] And presumably, the inspection would be solved,

[22:57] but if you wanted to extend the other years.

[22:59] The inspection was two years.

[23:01] And then if it's replaced, it's five years.

[23:03] I was just wondering if that five years could be,

[23:06] would make sense to extend, or...

[23:08] Sure.

[23:09] Would it make sense to me?

[23:10] Yeah.

[23:11] Yeah, I just wasn't sure what the average life

[23:13] spent, we could expect out of a lot of all.

[23:17] Yeah, fair enough.

[23:18] All right.

[23:20] Any thoughts from the committee?

[23:23] I'm doing some research.

[23:26] I found that Montgomery Township sewer authority.

[23:29] They've added to their, what they haven't,

[23:32] they've partnered with service line warranties of America,

[23:39] and they have a voluntary option for lateral insurance,

[23:43] and based on their, do we have that?

[23:46] Do we have them for lateral?

[23:47] Thank you.

[23:48] That was the question.

[23:49] For water.

[23:49] Just for water.

[23:50] Right.

[23:50] County.

[23:51] I'm not sure if they still do.

[23:52] Fox County offered a program.

[23:55] Were they offered water and silver?

[23:56] And I believe they still offer that.

[23:58] So can get.

[23:59] And just on their sample letter, I'm a gunry township.

[24:02] It was like $6 a month for lateral insurance.

[24:06] And I know we only have water right now.

[24:08] So was that something that we would...

[24:10] I don't that's too much for us, exactly.

[24:11] It's not too much.

[24:12] Okay.

[24:13] Okay.

[24:13] It may help for people, you know, they did help for the right, okay, but you know, there's other companies out there they're doing for these.

[24:25] Any other comments, questions from the committee?

[24:29] I appreciate the context.

[24:32] Thank you.

[24:33] Anything else from the rest of Council?

[24:35] Yeah, I'm just that chicken town has a, they have the sewer lateral inspections done down there.

[24:42] And just piggyback off a Nancy, just easy about insurance for the laterals.

[24:50] And you know.

[24:50] Jake and Tom, some doubt if I'm Jake and Tom, they have 27% have come back that need it repairs.

[24:58] 73% did not need repairs so far in their testing.

[25:02] Shelton Hems, that 21% of the laterals need repairs.

[25:09] So, and they were very, very cost with the PADP, you know, with their inspections, and this is the same research that Nancy and if I have the same.

[25:22] Yeah, and I think it's also worthwhile to mention, you know, the video may be $200, $200, $250 and you've got different prices.

[25:30] If you have to repair this design, you need $10,000 expense.

[25:35] I had replaced my waterline.

[25:37] I had replaced a portion of my silver, which was a portion of $4,000.

[25:41] That wasn't my old one.

[25:43] Although these expense upfront, I think it's very important.

[25:46] I know myself as a homeowner and as a resident,

[25:49] one I want to know that we're not going to overflow

[25:52] and impacts our system in two.

[25:54] I don't want to move into a house.

[25:56] the house is in the bar or values for substantially more each year, you don't want to move

[26:01] the interest in property and then get hit with a $6,700 dollar bill. So the information

[26:06] is very important for all of you to have. And we don't make any money off of it whatsoever.

[26:12] And also, as I think Joe mentioned earlier, then selling your home, you're negotiating,

[26:26] you're

[26:26] make one diamond, you know, little tiny things. So it is better for everyone to do these

[26:33] things when there's money on the table and there's negotiations and talks already happening

[26:39] then if we were to say, okay we're going to start a solar lateral inspection program where we

[26:46] could inspect your house or and find a problem and add to the blue you would have to do our

[26:53] slow down, but it's getting so empty.

[26:55] Yeah, true.

[26:56] So Mary, given the wastewater treatment, hitting capacity,

[27:03] or during storms and things like that,

[27:05] how many houses are going to settlement a year inambler?

[27:09] And with I and I, is that really aggressive enough

[27:12] environmentally just to do it at the point of a real state

[27:16] sale?

[27:17] We've investigated all her lateral speeds.

[27:19] I know that we've done it because we've done mine

[27:21] We're probably going to start it again, probably in the next year or two, because I think

[27:27] by the time we completed it, maybe four years ago, I don't know how to be more aggressive

[27:31] than like Joe said.

[27:33] There is litigation on whether you can go out and we can't video someone's lateral.

[27:37] It's innovation on their privacy, but I'm aware of it.

[27:40] It's a question.

[27:41] I'm just a question, because I mean, if we are facing storms, I don't know, you know, higher

[27:50] in inches and whatnot, you know we might be looking at a situation five years down the road

[27:56] where just waiting for a home inspection may not be enough for our own wastewater treatment.

[28:04] And additionally just the increased load both in the actual contaminants and the volume

[28:10] of water getting to the plant is adding additional costs to the chemicals we're purchasing

[28:15] every year and that's continuing and that's just going to keep building and building so it's

[28:21] to me it's not just you know it's a public safety thing but it's also impacting our

[28:25] public utilities and also our costs so if we have an increase in we're getting stormwater in

[28:32] the waste stream of plant we're paying for that residents we're then paying for that to be treated

[28:37] and that is coming through our sewer bill so we are paying for it no matter what correct

[28:42] But our global flow could be three, four million, when it key

[28:49] had 19 million gallons

[28:50] going to be so in the power of go-out, and we've gone on generator.

[28:54] I mean, okay.

[28:55] But in that show, that amount of water being released, if everything goes.

[28:58] Well, I mean, we could look at a catastrophic situation, and we know that's possible that

[29:03] we may be looking at something catastrophic if we don't take care of this.

[29:07] Now, that's, I don't want to be doom and gloom, but we certainly have seen this in other

[29:11] parts of the country.

[29:13] And when you hit up set, when you can no longer process when the number's too big, you're just putting flow into the work, you're just putting off flow into the process.

[29:20] Right, right. And then as then Philadelphia's not, you know, you know, the can drink the water.

[29:28] So to me, it's like any anyway, we can lessen the load on the, you know, are already aging facilities is it's a trickle down effect where you're not seeing as met, you know, we won't have to increase the sewer bill to keep up with the increase load.

[29:42] So it translates to the public utilities in the same way.

[29:47] And additionally, it's also just public safety.

[29:49] How many of our kids or dogs go in splash and burlapark

[29:52] or down in, if you know that that's what's leaking

[29:56] through the groundwater entering the creek that you're

[30:00] You know, families enjoy. It's not just about, you know, real state transaction here. It's to me, it's the public safety and cold, too.

[30:08] Yes, being caused by this.

[30:10] Right.

[30:12] So I, I also was wondering about the 24 months and the five years if that was just, that's just suggested by that with other ordinance or have things that are similar.

[30:28] Okay,

[30:31] and then the only other thing that I was in, this is just a question, but under the serial

[30:37] arrow, we have in here that first staff may answer this question, be present or set inspection.

[30:45] Can you give me an example of when that would be?

[30:52] One way to do that, it's something we've identified that it's making, and then do a

[30:57] repair, we will go out and we will investigate it.

[30:59] Obviously, it comes right up.

[31:00] Remember what would be a tune, and we would usually inspect before it's closed back up.

[31:04] So, we didn't want to say we would never be there, but with most permits, we do expect.

[31:09] Okay.

[31:09] But it wouldn't be a normal one.

[31:10] So, we're right.

[31:11] We're not going to go out with you.

[31:13] We're not going to go out with you.

[31:14] We're not going to go out with you.

[31:14] You know, contact the borough.

[31:16] I've got a plumber coming out for inspection and waiting on Glenn to be here, too.

[31:26] It would only be if a repair is needed, the borrower would never be there during the actual inspection by the farmer.

[31:36] That's human inspection.

[31:38] Right.

[31:39] I think that wording could be, I think that's,

[31:42] It wasn't kind of the far end of the off end.

[31:45] Okay.

[31:45] That's really good.

[31:47] Where's the situation?

[31:48] You know, you kind of worked with that.

[31:50] It's been from, like, really just like these folks down.

[31:53] But, you know, we're...

[31:54] But it's not normal for me to make that.

[31:57] I mean, you know, I think that's easy.

[31:59] Yeah.

[31:59] And I guess if we had a situation like that,

[32:02] it wouldn't really fall under this ordinance,

[32:05] which would be at the time of sale.

[32:07] It would be under, like, hey, my neighbor's door.

[32:09] Yeah.

[32:10] You know what I mean?

[32:10] And then this is, I mean, we get it.

[32:13] As a wiser, people said, we get chemical hit.

[32:15] We have no idea where the coming from.

[32:17] We're after looking around, what line to come into,

[32:20] we're testing.

[32:20] This happens is, we have pharmaceuticals that

[32:23] feed in from other units of nowadays.

[32:26] So it's often, it's things happening.

[32:28] We do, we've had to, anyway, we are about to do that.

[32:31] We think someone's probably something in there will be that anyway.

[32:35] I just wasn't there, but I'm only not familiar with it.

[32:39] Yeah, OK.

[32:39] Let's clarify that line.

[32:41] Thank you.

[32:43] Thank you.

[32:44] Thank you.

[32:45] I have a question for either Joe or Mary.

[32:50] This state's editor, Wayne Fontana.

[32:53] Several years ago, sponsored in the past.

[32:57] And it's now Act 44 in Harrisburg.

[33:00] And it is where that allows local municipalities.

[33:02] And it's basically about this issue.

[33:05] And the financial hardship it may cause for some people.

[33:09] And it allows for local municipalities to make public funds available to repair or replace

[33:15] broken sewer laterals or contaminated water lines when they pose a threat to public health

[33:21] or safety.

[33:22] And then the municipalities can decide on the guidelines and who would qualify for such

[33:27] a thing.

[33:28] Are you familiar with that, Joe?

[33:29] Generally, yes, that one was created to address the fact that, as a general state, it's

[33:36] not allowed to come with funds to thrive in communities.

[33:39] From later on, we're owned by each other, and you're sincere, you're not spoon at me.

[33:43] Public money to help you in the digital moment.

[33:46] And so that law is one of those other things that we're doing, or actually not by saying,

[33:50] to be a matter of emergency justice, you can be public money to help.

[33:54] And now do you know any municipalities that have set up any type of program?

[33:59] for funding in the case that there was an extreme hardship.

[34:04] I know there are.

[34:08] Okay, that would be helpful, I think.

[34:10] I agree.

[34:13] And just my final comment is that, you know, I first hand one of the lucky ones that did get to experience this exact issue.

[34:19] So this to me is one of the most important ones with two months in our new home while I was in labor.

[34:26] we had brought sewage back up into our sink. And we had to deal with this obviously right away.

[34:33] We were expecting parents with, you know, obviously when you buy a new house,

[34:37] you buy a lot of new things, and you have a lot of extra expenses. And having $5 to $10,000

[34:42] for that on hand, we didn't have that. We had to borrow it. We had to immediately, on a weekend,

[34:49] have someone come out. It was a nightmare. And if we had known that and been able to factor that

[34:54] to the cross of the home it would have we wouldn't have even noticed it in our monthly payments.

[35:00] So to me it's personally having experienced it I would not wish that upon anyone and if I was buying an

[35:07] anambler I would again I would be more likely to buy anambler knowing this was here.

[35:12] Knowing this would protect me from that happening again.

[35:14] So for I know a lot of people if I've been getting feedback that people would be less likely to buy anambler because of

[35:20] ordinances, but to me having experience what I did, I would feel the exact opposite.

[35:25] So that's all.

[35:26] Aaron, I completely agree.

[35:27] And I've shared this with some of the people that reached out.

[35:31] A lot of you reached out.

[35:32] And I'm so glad to hear from the public.

[35:34] I don't care what you're saying.

[35:36] I'm so glad to hear from all of you.

[35:38] And I'm thrilled that the room is packed.

[35:40] But I like Aaron.

[35:41] So my very first council meeting, which Mary probably remembers,

[35:45] was when I first moved to Amber and my house flooded.

[35:49] And it was the disaster, and I didn't know that, you know, on Southern Avenue, if you lived at the top of the, if you lived in the middle of the street, if your neighbors have at the top weren't clear, and there are drains every five minutes, but, I mean, tens of thousands of dollars, you know, were lost, and then, same as there, and you buy a house, and you put everything that you have into it, every single penny, or am I getting the money for a French drink? You know, I mean, I get it, we, I think most of us in the room have been there.

[36:19] So, I think we're looking at little ways to help from all about the public safety.

[36:26] I'm not about any kind of overreach that's not going to work for me, which is why I wanted to clarify Barrow staff, being there, but we've got to meet these requirements.

[36:38] We've got to protect that water treatment plan. I've been there. I've seen that thing in action.

[36:45] that is that is just critical to amber. I would be in favor of maybe talking about

[36:53] extending the time. I don't think people are flipping houses that that much, you know,

[37:01] I think people come here and they stay here. So I would be in favor of talking about maybe

[37:08] increasing, maybe the 36 months, and I'm not sure I have much wiggle room on that one,

[37:15] but the five years, I'd be in favor of a conversation about extending that, maybe.

[37:21] I agree with that, Amy. Extending those time periods.

[37:23] Oh, make sense. These are my thoughts on that.

[37:29] Any other comments from Council before I get to the public?

[37:33] Okay. Yes. So public comment right now just on, I just want to clarify on the two plumbing issues.

[37:42] So back to where lateral. Just state your name and your address please.

[38:08] Matt, you know that I read.

[38:10] I don't think it's a matter.

[38:12] I said matter.

[38:15] Okay.

[38:16] Okay.

[38:17] We're not.

[38:18] We're not.

[38:19] Asked you answered.

[38:20] I've got a warehouse to answer that I think.

[38:24] All right, sir.

[38:25] Sir, sir, you can make.

[38:26] We can one at a time, please.

[38:29] All right.

[38:38] I have not.

[38:46] I know where the.

[38:47] There.

[38:50] There.

[38:51] It's an on.

[38:56] It's.

[38:57] It's.

[38:58] It's.

[38:59] It's.

[39:00] It's.

[39:00] Okay.

[39:00] Even.

[39:01] It's.

[39:01] My friend, everybody we need to, we, we, we quiet.

[39:05] Anybody is speaking please.

[39:07] So thank you.

[39:08] As always, stating, I don't think any of you ever

[39:11] dug up a sewer ladder.

[39:12] I have, and very few of them, if ever,

[39:18] seemed to be leaking other than if they had like a tree

[39:20] grown through it.

[39:21] And it was mentioned tonight about the rain.

[39:26] We just had the

[39:37] drop.

[39:37] The turn of all is

[39:40] from the manhole.

[39:45] From the rain.

[39:45] were one of the, like, man, man, man, no blurry part of the set of things. And I had a

[39:51] manual that was cracked right outside of my house. I picked about it through one period of time.

[39:56] I never picked. So I'm sure we could walk around the barrel on my manual. There was

[40:00] a matter of fact, one of my walk-over here from my residence is just up the street. It's not

[40:05] going to be crossing the main street. It's not going to be crossing the window. It's just a half

[40:08] of it. So, let's check it loose.

[40:13] So, I'm just going to put that out there and possibly

[40:15] And let's look into some more data about where we're getting our information, about where

[40:19] we're coming.

[40:21] But we're making people do something that's not necessarily quiet.

[40:25] So that's the sort of knowledge we're going to work to back over them.

[40:30] That thing I want to go on with a simple burrow can do.

[40:33] It's a demand hour at five.

[40:35] You build periodically.

[40:36] Same thing with the sale of a house.

[40:38] I'm going to have it every so often.

[40:40] Say, hey, somebody to walk around and go.

[40:42] It's not going to be important to say what's going to manate for you or your chair.

[40:47] You want to look at the order of your guest, what you can see.

[40:50] If there is, or it is not, the back of the bed.

[40:54] Simple as that.

[40:56] So that could be one solution to that.

[40:57] Without having to go to the graphic measure, it has the importance to make everybody else.

[41:04] And those bars and the lateral bars, the sewer again, back and back,

[41:11] You can't go looking up somebody's sewer, because there are problems, you're going to have that a thorn without a horn.

[41:22] You get a horn, don't look at my lateral.

[41:24] I hope you haven't done that already.

[41:26] I hope, as far as the main line, scope, that wasn't done.

[41:39] Thank you for your comment.

[41:42] Anyone?

[41:43] Do you support?

[41:44] Just say your name and address please?

[41:46] It's been a mention 11 more states, but we have learned the soundboard a lot of y'all say.

[41:54] It's not at home, but we do want it.

[41:56] We are facing historical crisis, raising in this race, and it has become fully upward.

[42:03] Are you aware that how it's on, you have to have to feel what you're talking about?

[42:09] You are putting that burden on us.

[42:11] I guess that your thing is mandated to be done, you're playing an on me, and my family and people who want to sell their homes,

[42:19] they're all people running me out.

[42:21] It doesn't feel fair that I should have the case on this.

[42:24] You're a little closer to certain people, meaning that we have to do it.

[42:29] But you need to be done, you got to find another way to get it out there.

[42:34] Thank you.

[42:46] It's not a question in the answer.

[42:48] Is that clarification?

[42:50] For how long have I gone?

[42:51] They only, they elect you.

[42:52] But this is generally from your comments.

[42:54] It's not on the date.

[42:56] I'm not really looking for anything.

[42:57] But that's what you're on on the date.

[42:59] It's crazy.

[43:00] Some questions will comment then.

[43:03] I'm going to hear you guys.

[43:04] First of all, it's up to you.

[43:07] You feel like there is a great burden in your face.

[43:22] I guess perhaps if one can find the question in depth, it seems that there is not been a very thorough explanation about commercial properties.

[43:32] question about their own companies.

[43:35] That's what we're talking about.

[43:37] I think that's not the case.

[43:38] We have to think, I agree with you,

[43:40] it's just when we have to not miss method.

[43:45] But I'm an evidence based down,

[43:46] and I like to know,

[43:48] when you look at new ways,

[43:50] but this is kind of a way to say,

[43:52] and you're going to be doing this in place.

[43:54] What are we going to do now,

[43:56] if we can call this one?

[43:58] And we're talking about a lot of these water here,

[44:01] whether it be what's supposed to be coming out of our own or something else.

[44:06] It's supposed to be something else, but it's supposed to be something else.

[44:09] One of the things you have is that we're seeing it now, how do you see it?

[44:11] Do you think you can have it, especially if you throw a hole?

[44:14] Are we seeing commercial things happening?

[44:16] How do you see this?

[44:19] Thank you.

[44:21] I think a manual property out of the answers.

[44:23] I think we can address commercial properties, we're all being inspected by a third party right now under the

[44:28] charge to them.

[44:29] We did not do that.

[44:30] That was done several months ago.

[44:32] That was not done to the residents.

[44:34] We are trying to handle that, where we can go out, verify the fact that those who

[44:38] then are seeing whether or not it's led, and it's checked and it's no cost to you.

[44:46] And anyone who's bought a house in the Fire Department is 30 years should have one already.

[44:52] You're real estate agent.

[44:53] That was her responsibility.

[44:55] It's responsibility.

[44:56] Make sure that this was done at the time that you bought your house.

[45:00] You know, if you've been here, you know, less than 34 years, chances are you have it all right.

[45:04] Yes, all right, or if there's a patient that's a comment. Sure.

[45:07] Is there a time-brain that's required to this commercial property like you're required?

[45:11] That's the pre-visitability of the residential property.

[45:14] There are sending letters that's all of them right now. Yes, we're going on in the same.

[45:18] I'm asking when we'll, that's not easy to visit a building. You have to see a question by a year or so now.

[45:24] I'm not sure what you're asking.

[45:25] Well, you're asking that a homeowner, a lot of it's been replaced.

[45:28] Your instructions are over the other year.

[45:29] You're on belly.

[45:31] Not just at the time of self.

[45:33] I understand.

[45:34] You know it.

[45:35] I'm back here at the school.

[45:36] I'm out of silence.

[45:38] I don't want her to get lost.

[45:49] So, Marina was 21 months and happened.

[45:52] I know a lot of you know that I send a lot of questions and concerns.

[45:57] And I just want to make it general common as you go to get too far into this.

[46:02] That I think all our questions and concerns need to be answered and addressed before you can think about advertising it.

[46:08] A lot of the things overlap, so when we go sort of the same, so a lot of things go overlap,

[46:14] so we'll probably need to be talking about that at the end.

[46:17] But I think a lot of people took the time in energy to send you questions and concerns,

[46:23] and I think they all need to be addressed in a transparent, concise and honest manner,

[46:28] before you begin to think about moving forward with it.

[46:31] Thank you.

[46:33] Sir?

[46:41] Hi, Ben.

[46:46] As a couple of the previous speakers mentioned, I think this is an undue bird on the

[46:53] property owners that's asking them to pay for the burrow data collected, I think you

[46:59] want to know where.

[47:00] Who's that?

[47:01] Who's that?

[47:01] For the data collect that the burrow is trying to do?

[47:05] No, we're going out and doing the inspection ourselves at no cost to you when you're

[47:11] equivalent of the letter and the led by there is no cost. We are required to give the data.

[47:17] I can't change the GDP requirement. We must.

[47:20] You're asking.

[47:21] So you're saying that that requirement is not the home order to pay for a plumber to inspect the letter.

[47:29] No, that's different.

[47:30] David, I'm talking about the backslip of the letter.

[47:33] And whether or not the line coming in is led will be done by the barrel.

[47:37] And no, there is no charge for that.

[47:39] If you need the plumbing work, if you do not have that in your house, it is a deep requirement,

[47:43] not just the borough environment, yes, that would be in a cost to the owner, if you don't have

[47:47] what you wish you should have one now.

[47:49] That's a sewer line, it's also a data plan.

[47:52] Yes, for deepening.

[47:52] For the owner of the paying.

[47:55] For every customer in this town paying, they're so about to pay.

[47:58] Well that was not just a big plan.

[48:00] No, I don't.

[48:00] I don't know.

[48:01] I don't.

[48:03] And galvanized.

[48:04] I've been led, wasn't called out in that ordinance.

[48:06] It is called evidence.

[48:08] Yeah, I'm not in the copy of that.

[48:11] And Galvanized because it contains letter?

[48:14] Just determine whether it's Galvanized in lead.

[48:17] But Galvanized said in the ordinance copied on our ed, and replaced.

[48:22] It's Galvanized requiring replacement is the way that it reads.

[48:26] But when it says, it's not the replace of it's Galvanized.

[48:28] It's whether it's lead.

[48:30] If it's lead, it will lead to be replaced.

[48:33] So Galvanized doesn't need to be replaced because it's Galvanized.

[48:36] You're saying galvanized means if it's

[48:39] problem galvanized and it's really worth it. Right. Thank you. Thank you.

[48:49] That's my note

[48:51] And I wonder I know or I believe that my sewer line is shared with other property and I wonder what's going to happen in those instances

[49:05] Also, I know other homeowners that have purchased in the in the borough or anywhere that have had issues

[49:13] I believe requirement of the mortgage was to get homeowners insurance that may or may not cover damage to a month into your ownership.

[49:22] Again, it's not putting the full burden of costs on you replacing it.

[49:27] If it's deemed needs to be replaced, that's again a cost being put on the homeowner that might be covered by insurance.

[49:38] The other thing I did want to point out is, I know at least four people and my two blocker he is in Madison.

[49:45] who sold in the world, lived in the world, and then purchased a residence in the world.

[49:52] This is now putting a tax.

[49:54] First, it's a get out of amber tax for selling your house.

[50:00] And secondly, it could put on tax on your both ways, because normally that's not a requirement

[50:08] It's something that made you negotiate with the violence.

[50:15] So, in conclusion, I think it's an undue burden,

[50:17] but to tax on the sellers of property,

[50:20] they could be handled with different fondant.

[50:23] Thank you for your comments.

[50:25] And enough for to speed this up,

[50:26] I'm going to just ask whoever has comments on the,

[50:29] the sewer ladder on backflow.

[50:30] If you want to just create a line at the microphone,

[50:32] so I don't have to call on you individually.

[50:35] So,

[50:40] of a V-9 that won't re-o-8 gross marry Avenue.

[50:44] And I just want to make a comment.

[50:45] And I think Nancy brought up was a good point.

[50:48] If it's that dire situation,

[50:50] I don't know how many homes are in the envelope.

[50:52] Does anybody know?

[50:54] So, I'm 855, 555, 555, 555, 555, 555.

[50:59] And through our multiple listing service last 360 days,

[51:03] there might be more sales private.

[51:05] But we've had 74 sales in the last year.

[51:08] So, I think you were bringing on it, it's a dire situation that may not solid people.

[51:15] You've got seven.

[51:16] Some of them might have been people that bought it, improved it and sold it.

[51:20] So they might have been double properties.

[51:23] So there's not that many sales in the endway.

[51:27] Just, you know, we put it in perspective.

[51:29] There's 5,000 sales.

[51:31] And 74 sales, 5000 houses in 74 sales.

[51:36] I don't know that that solves the problem, that is one thing I want to say that from simply a key piece,

[51:43] you always have to show them that you're doing things to a group.

[51:46] Even if it's just, even if it's going to turn out to be a small one,

[51:51] you always have to be showing that you're continually including I and I.

[51:54] Even if it's a little bit.

[51:55] So that's the virus perspective to handle that.

[51:59] Yeah?

[52:00] The other one was, I'm not sure, I think the comment was made that it wouldn't hold up

[52:06] settlement, but I don't know how that would happen to be a realistic situation.

[52:12] So if you had a $10,000 problem and you have a buyer and a seller, the seller doesn't want

[52:17] to pay for it, and a buyer doesn't want to pay for it, then what happens in that situation?

[52:23] The obligation transfers to the cellar, but then the cellar is already in.

[52:28] But the cellar doesn't happen.

[52:29] And we can't require escrow.

[52:31] So the cellar might tell us to go stroke.

[52:34] And we have to deal with that in the side, whether we want to do something about it.

[52:36] Yeah, because the real situation doesn't really,

[52:38] or we present the facts to the cellar when we list it.

[52:42] So that's going to come up.

[52:44] We bring that up.

[52:45] So it's already thought about in order to go to creations.

[52:49] But I could tell you, I don't know if a buyer or seller don't agree, you can't have a sale.

[52:57] So you can't, and we'll hold on to a sale.

[53:00] No, I mean, we can't, if that circumstance holds up a sale, I don't know about that.

[53:04] We cannot say, we cannot say, you may not go to a sale.

[53:07] That's what you fix these things.

[53:09] Right.

[53:09] Somebody has to be fixed in order to convey it.

[53:12] We did the subsequent year.

[53:14] That's the extra.

[53:15] But if there's more, if not, if not, if we have a person, we're going to be able to work it up and we won't accept that.

[53:21] There's a problem with the sewer.

[53:23] The sewer, the sewer, which comes in a way to hear these, these are registered by the thousands,

[53:28] and they work.

[53:29] Nobody is coming back saying this problem is this.

[53:32] We're not placing so many trail here.

[53:37] What is the other one's?

[53:38] It's called the government.

[53:40] Okay, we're gonna take comment from the people that are up here.

[53:44] Now, I just wanted to bring that up because of the fire and salary.

[53:47] You know, we come up that they could blow up.

[53:49] If it happened, you know, the normal, I guess, one of the possibilities would be the bar

[53:54] turn around and said, you're into trading.

[53:57] You have a serious problem here.

[53:58] We go out and we take up the front lawn.

[54:00] You know, that's the legal.

[54:01] We fix it and we lean on property.

[54:04] That's what happens with carbon sidewalk when we, you know, do any

[54:07] street restorations.

[54:09] People don't want to do it.

[54:10] They don't have the money to do it.

[54:11] and we end up leading properties.

[54:13] We don't want to play back to 100 homes in town

[54:16] and we end up property.

[54:26] We're having this, there's more clarity

[54:28] with the discussion, right?

[54:30] So I guess our request is a lot of these questions

[54:34] that you guys are answering.

[54:35] And of course, that information put in the order

[54:37] and it's like, you know, cost for the inspection

[54:39] of the backflow and the type of pipe.

[54:43] I guess another request is, you know,

[54:45] it says at the top of the ordinance

[54:46] that this is about public safety.

[54:48] So, you know, stories about folks that moved into their homes and had

[54:54] unnie, unnie just to pay your cost.

[54:57] I mean, I feel for you as a person, but that's not a public seat in the issue.

[55:01] Well, Rosso, you know, my kitchen sink was a little bit of a public safety issue.

[55:06] Yeah, well, and also what was happening.

[55:09] Okay, we're taking comments from the people that are at the podium, please.

[55:15] So,

[55:18] to back around to the public safety issue, right, so, understand the water over

[55:22] your juice, right, when they're training.

[55:26] So, there's a stick in the carrot, right?

[55:28] So, that has,

[55:31] I guess I want to appreciate if there were other methods, look at, like incentivizing

[55:36] folks getting their lateral-inspected versus, you know, if being a weak-talking

[55:41] you do the resale, and it's really about, once an inspection is done, the fix is required

[55:49] regardless, right? So it's really about crew and specs for what time. I mean, my personal preference

[55:58] right is for the borough to handle the borough issues and not all play that responsibility

[56:03] We're going to be as much as possible, and that's all.

[56:09] Thank you.

[56:10] Any resident you call the barrel, water company, and asked for us to go out, and verify

[56:15] whether or not they have a back vote for better, and so we'll tell us whether or not we think

[56:19] their line is led, and you're not even selling it, and we'll do that for you.

[56:23] We need to get this data.

[56:26] So you don't need to wait till a point of sale.

[56:28] We come out and help you find a week.

[56:30] No other water company does that.

[56:32] We are very

[56:33] How's your friends?

[56:34] I use that service.

[56:35] We are.

[56:35] I got so.

[56:36] I got my meal.

[56:37] There's no money grabbing.

[56:39] We are here to help you.

[56:40] And to keep our lives.

[56:41] It's a lot.

[56:42] It's a lot.

[56:43] I don't understand.

[56:43] I'm not a transfer of a part of a part of our lives.

[56:47] Can we keep the chatter down?

[56:49] Everybody?

[56:50] It was always another responsibility.

[56:51] It's just a tiny issue.

[56:55] And I guess the whole point of humbling with the sale, right?

[56:58] It seemed like an opportune time.

[57:00] Because there's so much money on the table that the obligation is the obligation and I guess, you know, this ordinance is long.

[57:06] We're talking about out having a permit, I can bring up other topics, but the permit of occupancy, place over, right, which is just, again, additional requirements don't exist today.

[57:16] And there's no data to show that it is our whole inspection at time of sale, we'll get us wherever we need to go, be for the, for the hospital over.

[57:26] Thank you for your comments.

[57:31] Hello.

[57:33] Hi.

[57:33] Thanks Rachel again.

[57:35] I live here in the borough.

[57:37] Can you state your address, please?

[57:39] Thank you.

[57:41] So I know we're not asking questions.

[57:44] So I wonder a couple of things.

[57:46] I wonder if we have a warning that's led that's in terms to be led.

[57:54] Does the insurance that we pay for if we chose

[57:57] and chose to pay for it. Does that cover your replacement?

[58:01] No, that's not.

[58:01] In which case, that's a problem.

[58:04] And then the other thing I wonder is, it says,

[58:06] under 11, that's two of three.

[58:09] And that's a clean out, then is kept and not damaged.

[58:13] That's the same thing that you'll have to play out,

[58:15] and some of the turn of the century homes

[58:17] probably don't even have them.

[58:19] I do feel that, in my experience,

[58:22] since I got my real estate license in 1989,

[58:25] and I've been selling in many municipalities for many years that this is overreaching.

[58:32] And I don't think it's purposeful.

[58:36] I think there must be a real stormwater problem that I was unaware of.

[58:40] So now I'll have to become more involved and try to help in that,

[58:43] because we need to address that.

[58:45] But I don't think this is the method to address it.

[58:48] I think that if I compare,

[58:50] Resale certificates and applications, and I'm sure other realtors here have a lot of experience and more than I do

[58:57] In different ways of palies that this to me is a rarity and it seems like overreaching and I live in this town

[59:05] Love this town because it's the opposite. It's a small little town

[59:11] Nothing like most of those towns that require get a jump through hoost

[59:15] It's a lot of poor people, blue-collar people, old people, people that don't have the kind of funds to do all this.

[59:24] So I'm not in favor of the whole ordinance means to give you work in my pocket.

[59:30] My name is Frank Dunsmark. I live in four of them in South Main Street, and I have a person who knows me, called her many times.

[59:44] I have the importance of distinction of being at the end of South Main Street.

[59:48] When we get quite a bit of water now, I think it's I agree with some of the provisions in this particular ordinance, but there's some definitely very much against it.

[59:58] So let's do this.

[1:00:08] When we first moved in, I think there are a lot of these issues can be solved by having a home inspection, which is what I think 90% of us probably did before we moved in the house.

[1:00:20] And the guys that probably can't much do this for the next 30 years.

[1:00:27] But I too have excavated many, many sewer wells.

[1:00:32] I am a former archaeologist of the park archaeologist for 35 years.

[1:00:37] And I have actually still seen wooden drains and stuff like that.

[1:00:40] They're wooden pipes.

[1:00:43] That's, that's, it took a moment.

[1:00:46] But the marine is correct.

[1:00:48] It's very a common one lately, unless it's actually been some sort of jury right here or something along those lines.

[1:00:56] I think there's two separate issues that's going on here. I think the one is, I know you want to deal with the issue of checking out laterals, which I'm a little iffy.

[1:01:07] I have to think your bigger issue is dealing with the quality of water because I have

[1:01:13] been down the street when you've got so much stormwater coming out that it moves you

[1:01:18] are.

[1:01:19] Manhole waves off the drain.

[1:01:23] You're tailing the 800 square mile watershed.

[1:01:26] I'm a little less worried about Philadelphia because I've actually stood on that railroad

[1:01:30] bridge down there and seen water coming from Philadelphia.

[1:01:34] That's because water Philadelphia has a combined stormwater.

[1:01:38] and it goes right underneath that bridge and that's one of the reasons why I don't

[1:01:42] go so I want to show up about fighting about that two-foot range because I kind of

[1:01:46] restrict some of the stuff that's come at that time. So it really is a truly

[1:01:52] street when it comes to what's happened down the wall of the street. I think ultimately

[1:01:55] you're going to have to look at a more... I think they're going to have to look at

[1:02:00] expansion of the water system,

[1:02:05] but yeah, I think that I think that the word or each, I think

[1:02:08] it's kind of appropriate here in a lot of ways.

[1:02:12] So, as I think that there's some provision

[1:02:14] in there are very, I don't have a problem putting out letters on the house. I think that's

[1:02:19] a very good thing whenever we get cops down in our area, the first thing that asks us to do

[1:02:24] taxes. Because they don't know.

[1:02:27] And let's not find it on. Exactly. And they think a lot of the things that it

[1:02:31] stops at the was a kind of creek or whatever it was called down.

[1:02:36] That's right. And so they think.

[1:02:39] So yeah, it's always interesting when you get police down in the

[1:02:42] area, you have a call for the disturbance.

[1:02:45] Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you.

[1:02:47] Thank you. Thank you for your service.

[1:02:49] Thank you. Thank you for your comments.

[1:02:51] I'm my name is John Luskin. I'm the one of the three 40s father out of here, 42 year bird resident, 45 year master former in the barrel. I've seen some minutes from both ways. I think the district now, the situation with the backflow, the backflow has always been required on sale of property in the iron ore replacement of the water surface, which we do all the time, and galvanized replacement.

[1:03:19] And it's going to be rude out of that correct because we've galvanized it and actually

[1:03:24] a IPC approved with dirt we use sewer inspection.

[1:03:28] That's the big fly in the oil mirror wherever you want to call it.

[1:03:34] I've been doing this a long time.

[1:03:36] I've been cleaning it through since 1975 when we were cleaning the sewer.

[1:03:40] I think we did good job.

[1:03:43] And I look at some of these sewer analyses that my son has their generation.

[1:03:46] Mr. Conrad, our family, can we clean a sewer nowadays in the sewer go down and all the

[1:03:53] water goes down, you flush the quilts and the house and you may never go up the door.

[1:04:00] Put it down and that's right.

[1:04:01] You see what looks like.

[1:04:03] And a hundred-year-old, you also imagine an afternoon or fell on after the war.

[1:04:07] You would have to know.

[1:04:09] Not only do we have the sewer that don't have problems with infiltration or influence,

[1:04:14] But we just have so much to tell the front that at our own said that you said, you buy a house for $850,000, and you, you know, we've had house inspections for how many years for the things that you can see.

[1:04:31] Soars you can't see until we've come up with this technology that we can expect, so we can't have the real owners in this room that we can't have them that object this, can't have them that we can expect, so we're able to work when they represent the fire.

[1:04:48] I don't know. I think it should be done. We're going to have a real state that we,

[1:04:56] the value of the real state in this town, the things of most of the houses in this town.

[1:05:04] And the conditions that I see in the last three, five years, because I'm still far away,

[1:05:09] that we would see how bad a sewer line can be before all of a sudden it breaks and then you're big in it up.

[1:05:17] In 2015, $20,000.

[1:05:21] And some of you sewer, more of you companies, trust me, you're better off putting a riot on your homework

[1:05:29] that you want to policy the cover at.

[1:05:32] We just did a job.

[1:05:33] It's actually Cedar Road, upper double capture,

[1:05:35] Fox County were somewhere this week near Rooster Band.

[1:05:39] We'll see you find the pain out.

[1:05:41] We'll replace your whole store.

[1:05:43] They have more of a buck up one by.

[1:05:46] They still not be very profitable.

[1:05:49] So I see it from both sides.

[1:05:51] And like I said, a lie is moving.

[1:05:53] I'm not trying to pull it to anybody.

[1:05:56] That's how it is.

[1:05:58] Thank you.

[1:05:59] Thank you.

[1:06:00] Thank you.

[1:06:01] I also just kind of business orders.

[1:06:03] So she invited, I think he's a business over,

[1:06:06] he thought a resident of the trains

[1:06:10] for our plumbing heating cooling contractors,

[1:06:13] technicians, all in inspecting sewers in the course

[1:06:17] that we have, that we've been planning to be accepted

[1:06:20] to come and see through, so that he knows what to expect.

[1:06:26] And this little kind of slotted, getting back

[1:06:28] to the EPA thing, when we first started

[1:06:30] this work we've done. Bell work counting stored in the biggest thing. The whole

[1:06:35] count you've got work counting requires inspections of their servers because they

[1:06:42] were getting fines so much from the EPA for the overflow. I don't know if we've reached

[1:06:48] the point. We did and we did the videoing of the means which kind of have to

[1:06:53] they went more.

[1:06:55] So besides all the money that the farmer has to spend

[1:07:01] treating one curve of the water.

[1:07:04] And it's not like, boss, the one where you're trying to

[1:07:06] down with great people, that's the function of your

[1:07:08] sewer.

[1:07:09] There's all kinds of stuff to get involved.

[1:07:12] And it's even worse because in Pennsylvania,

[1:07:15] you don't have to be a master of plumbers.

[1:07:16] You're probably down with these.

[1:07:18] So that's the one of those words.

[1:07:20] So I will pass this to everybody who is good for everybody because you don't want to buy a house.

[1:07:27] We have to just have to trust them.

[1:07:28] We see all of them.

[1:07:30] Thank you.

[1:07:31] Thank you.

[1:07:31] We don't want to say anything.

[1:07:33] We're not going to hear anything.

[1:07:34] I think this is something.

[1:07:35] I know that.

[1:07:35] This is something.

[1:07:37] I'm sorry.

[1:07:38] You're an ambulance.

[1:07:39] I'm sorry.

[1:07:39] You're an ambulance.

[1:07:40] You're an ambulance.

[1:07:43] You're an ambulance.

[1:07:44] But again, the public security, we just worked with the usability to find out what they

[1:07:49] want to train so that when the ordinance comes into effect, or what it's on the same

[1:07:56] page, I will say I have sat with many municipalities and I really do grasp of the situation

[1:08:03] to ask you to really get it and knowing this appality at all as instituted this without the

[1:08:13] So at the end of the day, whatever you do, you have to go back to DEP and say, this is

[1:08:20] that we're taking.

[1:08:22] So you have to do something.

[1:08:23] And if you were DEP, you're just hitting something in Pennsylvania now.

[1:08:29] If you're in the Sustra hand of Worship, you've dealt with this 15 years ago.

[1:08:33] And you know, I appreciate it.

[1:08:34] Oh, I think it's 10 years ago.

[1:08:37] Delaware River doesn't have many credits.

[1:08:39] So now we're dealing with it now.

[1:08:41] Thank you. I'm very pleased to know that when who is our coding force in an officer and as we will know him, he can be there tonight.

[1:08:49] He is in the taking that class.

[1:08:50] Yes, he is a little lost room. I'm going to actually take him up there.

[1:08:55] Thank you. Thank you.

[1:08:56] Thank you.

[1:09:01] Sorry, Avenue.

[1:09:03] Just a couple of questions that I'll turn into a comment.

[1:09:07] Regarding the statement B, where the talk is certified when doing the scope.

[1:09:14] It states that the clean-out event is kept in not damaged, most of these older homes don't have a clean-out event,

[1:09:20] so I'd like a little elaboration on if you do cast this in a current state.

[1:09:25] Like, what does that mean?

[1:09:26] What does that look like?

[1:09:26] How will this be accomplished?

[1:09:29] If one of the things is in order to install one, you know,

[1:09:34] the question I had, another point that John kind of touched on,

[1:09:37] I'm not an expert on the insurance industry by any state,

[1:09:42] state, but my understanding is that if you do get these

[1:09:44] sewer lateral insurance programs, that they do not assist you

[1:09:49] if you find something that needs to be taken care of as a result of an inspection.

[1:09:53] It's only as a result of failure.

[1:09:55] So that's something that we should really look into that at the end of the show

[1:09:58] if anyone understands that.

[1:10:01] And lastly, I also want to thank Aaron for the context.

[1:10:04] Like there were way more context about why this is being discussed

[1:10:07] to note than I've heard thus far, so I appreciate that.

[1:10:10] And I do know that some of you have required the sewer spill as part of their unit help.

[1:10:16] I learned recently that Bristol apparently had to change less out here because I had

[1:10:20] been came from Bristol before coming to the end where Bristol had extremely own our

[1:10:24] institution occupancy for quite a few years ago, really over the top.

[1:10:29] So the point where I did impact the real estate market component, what I do business in town,

[1:10:33] And the end of being a verse, and the entire ordinance,

[1:10:37] let's just do a little, so, was a verse.

[1:10:40] And they had to keep that place behind the scenes.

[1:10:43] So, I don't know what sounds like maybe, and what

[1:10:45] we're going to get to that point, based on what we've done tonight.

[1:10:48] And then this point, is it going to be an opposite?

[1:10:51] That's not going to be a little, I don't know.

[1:10:53] I'm just a little clarification.

[1:10:54] I'm not going to do this at this house.

[1:10:56] I think many doctors didn't know it.

[1:10:57] That makes sense.

[1:10:58] Thank you, Hansen.

[1:10:59] But

[1:11:04] Jason is proud of me,

[1:11:09] people like me, and I see one of my real good friends in here.

[1:11:11] I feel like it's kind of like what this all means.

[1:11:16] But listen, I first and foremost, I want to thank you all for the work.

[1:11:20] You feel it's not easy, obviously.

[1:11:21] We have a lot of opinions in the firm.

[1:11:23] I do want to understand the general and the more piece of infrastructure is all.

[1:11:28] It just is.

[1:11:30] And fights are doing the fail in some point.

[1:11:32] I think a lot of me is counting to be dealing with that.

[1:11:34] I don't, with that being a manager in our check-in-town area, where

[1:11:38] cell panels kind of the first one to take that lead into the sewer

[1:11:42] laddles mix, and we wrote the names about it.

[1:11:45] Like it, my main concern is, number one, what do we do with it?

[1:11:52] Okay, so it's been said, you have 75, roughly 75 sales, and I don't know if that gets

[1:11:57] job, and yet may keep the EPA and the EPA and the EPA, but it's actually a solid condition.

[1:12:05] Right?

[1:12:05] So I feel like you do need to think about how we address it for all in the EPA and the residents

[1:12:12] of the world some kind of option to address it, whether that's expanding.

[1:12:16] The service doing a point of sale, inspection, I think the residents should have that option

[1:12:21] to do it.

[1:12:23] My biggest concern is I was going to wait to speak until we got done tonight on all of the topics.

[1:12:30] But my main concern being the professor that I am dealing with is every single day throughout the entire region,

[1:12:38] is that it can be incredibly punitive to a seller who are willing to transact and take place.

[1:12:44] If someone the seller is burdened with the cost of blincers, you know, not to shut

[1:12:51] bed late on Norris, Norris Campboro, but Elson has kind of worked in the civil crystal.

[1:12:56] As a usual reason, we know that they're really, really talking to me as a child.

[1:13:02] And doing transactions into some of those new disabilities, you're talking about a seller

[1:13:06] showing out $4,000 on top of a home inspection that they

[1:13:12] mean to show out money for.

[1:13:14] It makes me incredibly difficult to get back to the finish line.

[1:13:18] And if you talk to me about 75 sales in general, making it to the finish line,

[1:13:22] think about how many of those 75 of the next, if we're talking about that kind of cost

[1:13:27] when comes the sidewalks, electrical panels, sewer levels.

[1:13:31] I think to take that on, for once, would be incredibly damaging to the bottom of your book.

[1:13:39] So, anyway, just, I just want to say that, I understand what needs to be done.

[1:13:43] I don't deny that. I understand that.

[1:13:46] Everything you're saying here, I trust what you're saying.

[1:13:49] I just think how we go about it.

[1:13:51] You may want to take a very conservative manner and not question much too far too soon.

[1:13:58] And put that on.

[1:14:00] Thank you.

[1:14:01] Thank you.

[1:14:02] Mike, there's a question I'll give you more about the clean up, and she is correct about

[1:14:07] a lot of animals that does not have house like clean up.

[1:14:11] Most of the houses in the bird, though you can cut a hole in the sewer plate, then the

[1:14:16] basement enters a proper flavor of the plant.

[1:14:19] It would go over that to tell them the bare plant, but if you met just one clean up

[1:14:22] in the sewer, you can also go through a function with one wood and one wood and put

[1:14:27] And they have to be there that requires some time and we'll make one work, which will cost for us.

[1:14:33] Thank you.

[1:14:36] Yeah, thank you.

[1:14:37] I have a question.

[1:14:39] Excuse me.

[1:14:40] Excuse me.

[1:14:41] I have a word here.

[1:14:43] I'm not agree.

[1:14:44] We're not having a conversation.

[1:14:46] I'm almost ourselves here.

[1:14:47] I mean, anything.

[1:14:48] Yeah.

[1:14:49] No.

[1:14:50] What I think we'll need to do is,

[1:14:51] since we are rewarding portions of this,

[1:14:55] we will find out exactly how to rework that portion of it.

[1:15:00] And what other thing I think is a really have to clarify in this sewer section is, what I, if you go get a plumbing code box, the most plumbing code box, which you have, you have a main in the street, you have a lot of old that runs from the sitting that's in the main to the curb on, that's the lot of old, the house that will then is from the lot of old to the curb on.

[1:15:30] In thus far, if there's a problem in the street, it's a responsibility of the homeowner

[1:15:37] to dig that up also, including digging the street up, repairing the street, black top

[1:15:42] and street and everything else.

[1:15:43] So I think you need to make sure, for just put in that word in that because the first known,

[1:15:48] I had mentioned this marriage before, first draft,

[1:15:51] only said, from the building to the curb.

[1:15:54] But we're responsible to give it to the manager.

[1:15:56] And a lot of our names are in the middle of the street.

[1:15:58] Correct. Yes, some of them are on summer or sidewalks or whatever, but you still leave it if it's on the sign on the opposite side of your street like tennis Avenue

[1:16:06] You'd be responsible to dig all the way across tennis Avenue and restore that. Yes, which is

[1:16:12] That's when you last went up a 15,000 dollars to a 15,000 dollars

[1:16:19] It sounds like we'll want to clarify that too

[1:16:22] So, you know, just make sure you go all the way to the sewer gate.

[1:16:27] I think our current order is to find your obligation to the main regardless where it is.

[1:16:31] Even worse in the middle.

[1:16:32] But a lot of people don't realize that.

[1:16:34] But in the first one, you went up to the current line.

[1:16:36] Oh, okay.

[1:16:37] I had to hold that decline last week.

[1:16:39] You just said so.

[1:16:40] You said to me.

[1:16:41] You said to me.

[1:16:42] Go ahead.

[1:16:43] Go ahead.

[1:16:45] Well,

[1:16:48] thank you so much.

[1:16:49] Thank you.

[1:16:53] I don't know if the users are selling.

[1:16:56] I have a quick question.

[1:16:58] So if say if a house doesn't have the cat, how much does that cost?

[1:17:02] Well, probably we would not be going far too much more.

[1:17:06] It was just an easiest.

[1:17:07] It's just a matter of throwing a hole in the pipe and then putting a clamp plate thing over.

[1:17:11] You get a little bit more involved if you do have to pull it through.

[1:17:14] And to your question, if our company

[1:17:17] if we cost a week for the first of all,

[1:17:20] if there was some kind of initiative

[1:17:22] where we thought through was going to be a week

[1:17:23] or a problem, we would tell you that before we started.

[1:17:26] If we cost a week, as we're doing a job,

[1:17:29] we're going to search for a week.

[1:17:30] And that's where it is, right before we're going to get it out.

[1:17:31] So to put in, just to put in the easy version

[1:17:34] of a clean out in a moment, how's the dozen pound one?

[1:17:37] Are we talking a hundred bucks a thousand?

[1:17:38] The most, at the most.

[1:17:39] OK, OK, thank you.

[1:17:41] Thank you.

[1:17:44] For a hundred hours, doing what's there for sewer cleaners, I mean for sewer inspection.

[1:17:48] That's spending a little, you know, spending a little bit of time seeing it, we haven't only

[1:17:52] yet, and doing a thorough job.

[1:17:54] Sometimes, we'll just take a camera.

[1:17:56] And that's the other thing about, you know, like some, like some of the municipalities actually

[1:18:03] have their people that are doing this, take these horses like.

[1:18:08] What's the other company?

[1:18:10] NASCO, and this is why the PACC did our own, there's a company called NASCO, and that's

[1:18:16] what's super kind of wood, whatever it is, and they had like a three-day course for this

[1:18:21] they cost $1,000 for it, so our PACC did a smaller one, or that surgeon, so that you guys know

[1:18:28] what they're looking at. Because you put that thing in a sewer, and some of the real orders of

[1:18:32] and we looked at, you're like, how are we looking at it?

[1:18:35] We really did not do it.

[1:18:37] What do you mean?

[1:18:38] I think low-end infiltration, when somebody made a comment,

[1:18:42] that if you're getting that, that's not really a defect in the sewer,

[1:18:46] it really is, that has to be repaired.

[1:18:48] Because you wouldn't be getting the infiltration

[1:18:51] if they're lovin' a crack there.

[1:18:53] Or the end of what water will.

[1:18:55] Okay.

[1:18:56] Thank you.

[1:18:58] All right, so...

[1:19:02] What is Matthew Chandler?

[1:19:04] What company is one of those services?

[1:19:06] There are 2016 or Main Street and Amher.

[1:19:08] I just wanted to, it will make you sense in their favorite of Cameron's sections.

[1:19:14] Cameron's sessions for me are vital for homeowners.

[1:19:19] As someone who spent like the last 10 years as a service owner, I've been out all

[1:19:24] hours of the night, especially with people, they rush through sales, they want to

[1:19:28] be competitive, they, you know, you know, you everything they can to be competitive and

[1:19:32] 50 other bitters they get in and then a week or two later in the back of can't use anything

[1:19:36] and then I had one time where they had a break under the beginning of the garage in the driveway

[1:19:42] and then a break in the street and pretty separate single but three separate individual breaks.

[1:19:48] That there were signs where me as a plumber I could see marks on the clean out like the previous owner had been

[1:19:55] cabling that long term really camera inspection would have saved these people there and I understand

[1:20:02] that when you are doing these, when you have to do these large things, when you find a break

[1:20:09] or something with a sewer, it can be detrimental to a real estate transaction.

[1:20:12] And I get that that, you know, can be a hardship financially on the cellarverse to the

[1:20:18] buyer.

[1:20:18] But there are certain things that you can do to kind of nurse that at home.

[1:20:23] For example, we're talking about camera inspections and infiltration.

[1:20:27] I just did a church in the Norris town, where they got a sinkhole in the street, somebody had done a new proper plumbing repair a year ago,

[1:20:36] stuck the PVC to right into the sewer lateral, no connections.

[1:20:40] So the road literally washed away into the street.

[1:20:44] But the church was, it was for sale because they ended money.

[1:20:48] But they were selling it to a developer.

[1:20:50] So what we did was we actually made a deal with them,

[1:20:54] We ruled the cost of the whole job into the transaction, and we don't need it by the title company, and with that, what we did was we dug down.

[1:21:03] We lined the six-inch place, who were all the way to the main, fixed the trap, and then we put the concrete back, and no one was out of pocket.

[1:21:11] So there are certain ways to make it so that it's not going to be entirely detrimental to yourselves.

[1:21:18] I also wanted to just add in that around here, I'm one who I saw orange out of last year or the year before but they had four feet of water and then year before that when they got four feet of water.

[1:21:31] What is a major problem for us here? What's also major problem is a lack of information on what you're policy learned.

[1:21:40] I spring house all these million dollar houses had four and five feet of water and there

[1:21:45] people were finding out that they only had five thousand dollars in storm coverage.

[1:21:50] Like it wasn't even going to come in carpets in these places.

[1:21:53] So I think looking at your insurance policy is going to be mandatory.

[1:21:56] I mean, it's something that you should always know what your coverage is or are.

[1:22:00] So if there's a writer for your first storm, the discharge, if you want to bump that up.

[1:22:07] The other thing is service line coverage would not go to these

[1:22:12] awkward, does it kind of American wanted, have these in terms of policies

[1:22:17] where when you have a break forever, they will send so many out, but a bandaid on it and

[1:22:21] that's it.

[1:22:22] If you get service line utility coverage to your own owners in terms, I did it for

[1:22:27] some, then, 20 bucks a month and I mean, we just did a sewer for someone

[1:22:31] where it was eight foot deep, a hundred feet long and it was a $12,000 job.

[1:22:35] He got reimbursed entirely, so I mean, it has to come down to planning a little bit on

[1:22:41] Homer's part, too.

[1:22:42] It's just knowing what you're going to create, too.

[1:22:46] Another thing that I just wanted to touch on is in favor of declarations.

[1:22:50] Sometimes it's going to save you from a very dangerous situation.

[1:22:55] Cross force is kind of a newer thing.

[1:22:58] A lot of utility companies are now using underground molds and things to drill under the ground

[1:23:03] blindly so that they don't mess up your grasp.

[1:23:06] But we're seeing it pretty frequently

[1:23:07] where they will send a high pressure gas line

[1:23:10] through your clay sewer pipe.

[1:23:13] It's a real thing.

[1:23:14] And the worst thing you could possibly do with that situation

[1:23:17] would be the send a drain snake down there

[1:23:19] with a sharp blade.

[1:23:20] We just had a house in, I think, York County,

[1:23:23] explode from one of those.

[1:23:26] You know, I'm a sharp, but it's a thing.

[1:23:28] And it gets something that would have been called

[1:23:29] in the cabinet section.

[1:23:30] So, to add the last point there, when P and P, you do a P and it wasn't all nowadays.

[1:23:36] For utility locations, they ask you if it's for sewer cleaning, instead of an excavation,

[1:23:42] just for that reason.

[1:23:44] And they'll send somebody out much quicker.

[1:23:47] Yeah.

[1:23:48] The clean that have a P and 1 call person, make sure that you don't have a crossboard.

[1:23:59] Yeah.

[1:24:00] Thank you.

[1:24:05] Thank you.

[1:24:07] Thank you.

[1:24:08] Thank you, thank you.

[1:24:08] Thank you, my dear.

[1:24:09] I wanted to comment about school work after generally.

[1:24:13] There's a program that is a program that is actually called MS4.

[1:24:17] Under that program, the government is requiring local municipalities to do more

[1:24:22] and more countries to support.

[1:24:24] For the last decade, that program has really only been called.

[1:24:30] educating the public, early conversations about what you might do in the future, that kind of thing.

[1:24:36] No real-heart spending of money.

[1:24:38] We're now rolling into the period of that program where you have to, each municipality in urbanized

[1:24:44] area has to prove to them what you're doing, each year you have to spend a certain percentage

[1:24:50] based on a complicated formula, and you have to take these steps to capture the stormwater.

[1:24:55] And anything that you can show that you're doing to capture it, gets you points towards a goal that you have to reach for each year.

[1:25:03] So it's a more accelerated obligation than ever.

[1:25:07] And complicated matters.

[1:25:10] If anybody happened to read about it, few months ago there was a ruling against Westchesterboro.

[1:25:15] Westchesterboro was charging money for stormwater fees to raise fees to address the stormwater capture.

[1:25:22] and the court rule that it was not fee, that it was a tax, and I won't go into all the boring details about the difference between the two.

[1:25:30] But it was a huge setback from Barrow's.

[1:25:32] Second place tax is already been given a separate law to allow them to charge it, but through the way that the law is going to adopt it in negotiations.

[1:25:40] Barrow's in first place tax has got to throw it out, but only second place tax has had that.

[1:25:45] So, Barrow's right now, you know, don't have a remedy for those ability to directly charge it,

[1:25:51] because it was supposed to be a tax.

[1:25:54] You would have to form even if you form

[1:25:56] a separate authority to charge it.

[1:25:58] The court already said it was a tax non-fee.

[1:26:01] The authorities can't charge taxes.

[1:26:02] They can only charge fees.

[1:26:03] So right now, everybody's really jammed up at the very meeting point

[1:26:07] of having to meet the MS4 obligations

[1:26:09] and having no funny mechanism,

[1:26:11] aside from their normal revenue stream.

[1:26:15] Thanks.

[1:26:15] Thank you.

[1:26:16] So it's out.

[1:26:17] I'm sorry.

[1:26:18] I want to take an example.

[1:26:19] What are we doing to have we exhausted all of the stormwater water management of things that we can do?

[1:26:26] If you could state your name and address.

[1:26:28] Sorry, it's okay.

[1:26:29] You got three or three water.

[1:26:30] I'm still myself in the water already.

[1:26:32] And I think I'm going to jump in.

[1:26:34] Stormwater management is a hundred other meetings.

[1:26:40] So I think we're going to take this one.

[1:26:42] All right.

[1:26:43] Well, did he said that the animals are probably trying to achieve stormwater captures?

[1:26:46] I can only tell you, no, no, everything's been done.

[1:26:49] It's an ongoing plan for you to spend money every year to reward more and more.

[1:26:52] So, no, no, no, everything is yet to be done.

[1:26:54] But yes, we are doing things, maybe we are requiring it every year.

[1:26:58] What is the required?

[1:26:59] Whether there is anything cleaning inlets, we put the forecast in front of CVS, which captures

[1:27:05] those in filters of water, we're planning the second parking lot to go in on a popular street,

[1:27:11] which will collect the water, faces.

[1:27:13] So, we're always doing small projects to meet our basin.

[1:27:15] I don't have the acres to put in stormwater capture because I have the specialist mountains on the other side of the space.

[1:27:23] As a borough, we are living in a hole we can do because the shore of knocking down houses.

[1:27:27] What do we've done that to?

[1:27:28] There's also the Wissick and Watershed Water Quality Improvement Plan actually.

[1:27:36] Yeah, so that's a multi-menace of palliative effort where upstream where they actually have acres and have space to control the volume and slow down the water

[1:27:44] and let it infiltrate.

[1:27:46] They're putting more money shared money into stuff upstream

[1:27:49] where they, you know, honestly,

[1:27:51] and we don't have much space to do stuff.

[1:27:54] We are doing a lot and we can talk about that another time,

[1:27:57] but basically, we're going at approaching it more

[1:28:00] from a watershed perspective versus each municipality

[1:28:03] because we are, you know,

[1:28:05] watersheds don't care about political boundaries.

[1:28:08] So we are trying to do everything we can,

[1:28:10] but that's for another, it's a lot.

[1:28:16] So I have one more question, I'm sorry, all right so we all I think get and now I think it's better understood that a lot of these there some of these

[1:28:27] You know these issues that we're talking about now are you know, we've got the requirements we've got to meet them. We've got to continue to you know show progress. I'm in for all of that. I understand it.

[1:28:37] If we don't do it at the time of sale, what does that look like for us and for the borough?

[1:28:47] Are we now hiring additional borough staff, which is going to cost the borough money, to send people out or third party, to send people out knock on doors, deal with no unloading the men, right?

[1:28:59] As you know, you have to turn the water off to get in to get this, and we know that's going to be any enormous challenge.

[1:29:07] So, what kind of cost are we looking at to the borough if we were to go, forget this, forget about the time of South, forget the ordinance, but we still have to meet these requirements, and now we're going to have to hire staff, we're going to have to come up with some sort of, I like the idea of an incentive, maybe there are people out there that will volunteer, I think it's a small percentage, but I think some people would, if there was education with it, what do we look at out there?

[1:29:35] I mean I think that we're looking at a much higher cost to the entire burrow, every resident

[1:29:40] in the burrow than here is my fear, right, and that's all going to have to be passed

[1:29:50] on to the taxpayers because we've all just seen, we've all just been through the budget,

[1:29:55] self-reflection is with the same.

[1:30:01] I think the number is higher than that, and are with other water customers that will have to show this number in this county. There's not just handbook.

[1:30:10] So you're going to pick a hundred of this in a year.

[1:30:12] We're going to pick a hundred or five years for you to collect that data. When is the requirement going to be like this?

[1:30:19] Well, if I go one, let's say I'm in Mayward Park. They were all built around the same time. If I get in three houses over there, I can very comfortably say,

[1:30:28] Most likely, there's not led in there.

[1:30:30] There are also two things going analysis.

[1:30:32] That's not a actual account for the state.

[1:30:34] The very same thing that right now.

[1:30:36] That's why we're trying to do what we're going to accept.

[1:30:38] Before we're going to do a requirement,

[1:30:40] and you get some more stringent,

[1:30:41] and then you go into your house.

[1:30:43] All right.

[1:30:44] So let's move on to electrical.

[1:30:48] At this point, and I kind of want to kick this off

[1:30:51] with a proposal based on some conversations.

[1:30:55] We had it the last meeting and some conversations

[1:30:56] I've had there at the weeks with different...

[1:31:00] So, as it reads, it's a certified electrical underwriter.

[1:31:04] We'll inspect for compliance with electrical codes.

[1:31:07] Last meeting, we discussed...

[1:31:10] Last meeting, we discussed that that would be the panel inspection only.

[1:31:14] The reason being for public safety.

[1:31:17] After some conversation, I think that this might not be...

[1:31:21] This might not result in what we wanted to in terms of public safety.

[1:31:24] So inspecting a panel only is probably not going to prevent house fires.

[1:31:29] My suggested change to this since it is a public safety issue would be to get rid of it entirely as written this section and change it to an affidavit for smoke detectors.

[1:31:42] And carbon monoxide.

[1:31:44] I would agree with that.

[1:31:45] I think that that is less onerous on the cellar.

[1:31:49] and more likely to actually prevent fires and other issues.

[1:31:56] It's a cellar affidavit that your home has

[1:32:00] up to date, smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors.

[1:32:03] There are some neighboring municipalities that have similar requirements.

[1:32:08] Ultimately much simpler for the cellar than an electrical panel inspection.

[1:32:13] And let's keep the chatter down. You have no idea how the sound resonates in this room. We cannot hear up here. Thank you.

[1:32:29] Well, that will not be in effect. Let's hold off on public comment right now. That's just my proposal and we can we will have some discussion amongst.

[1:32:37] Yeah, that my proposal is to remove the electrical inspection entirely.

[1:32:41] I replace it with an affidavit for carbon monoxide and smoke detectors only, so.

[1:32:46] And now we're going to talk about it up here first.

[1:32:48] Any comments, thoughts, questions from committee?

[1:32:52] I think that.

[1:32:53] I think it's a good idea.

[1:32:55] Thank you.

[1:32:56] Yeah, I agree. That's what I've read as well.

[1:32:58] Okay, council.

[1:32:59] I still think that it should stay in and I think that we should make sure that

[1:33:06] electrical equipment is grounded properly and that wires are not spliced or taped.

[1:33:14] I think that electrical needs to be checked.

[1:33:17] I don't think that it should be removed.

[1:33:21] I mean, because smoke detectors and carbon monoxide, I mean,

[1:33:26] yeah, we don't check to see if there's a problem before then I just think it's important.

[1:33:33] My thing on this is that if the reason we're doing this is for public safety, in terms of a whole row of Romans not burning down because one of them has a bad box.

[1:33:50] There are so many other things in every one of our houses could set our house ablaze and in the case of connected homes set the whole block of ablaze.

[1:34:03] that I think, I think, with this particular one, the benefit,

[1:34:11] I'm going to say the benefit doesn't that way the less.

[1:34:14] But the cost to the homeowner of having this separate

[1:34:18] electrical infection when they may be choosing not to have a home

[1:34:21] inspection is, it's not enough bang for the buck.

[1:34:30] There are so many other things that can catch a house on fire.

[1:34:33] It would be more effective in terms of preventing a whole block of

[1:34:38] hormones from burning down to know that they have smoke

[1:34:42] detectives.

[1:34:43] You know, and it's free, we're not going into inspect.

[1:34:48] All you have to do is sign an appetite and most municipalities

[1:34:52] will fire this.

[1:34:53] And to back this up a step further, I mean, one of the big

[1:34:57] You have people coming in here, you know, you've been raised in six percent, you're close to

[1:35:02] three to thirty thousand dollars, now you're interested in seven percent. People are buying

[1:35:06] these homes. So, I don't see them cash, no inspection. So, that was a lot of work to

[1:35:11] join us in people. We can both walk our own inspection. Maybe see if there's something

[1:35:17] when we come up there because there are the ones, you know, your families have been in there

[1:35:21] and you care a little more. If you're running it, you're coming in, you're doing

[1:35:24] you're getting the rents, the numbers, getting right now because it's so desirable and they're not fixing anything and I'm happy to tell you.

[1:35:32] We can look at the rental and see if we can look at something further there.

[1:35:36] I think that's a fantastic idea.

[1:35:38] I agree with that.

[1:35:41] Yeah, I definitely agree with the affidavit for how is proposal Jen.

[1:35:45] I do hear you.

[1:35:46] I feel like though the electric that we were talking about in here is with such a,

[1:35:53] It was kind of like a quick look at it if you will that I feel like anybody that is any sort of handy man would have kind of noticed those obvious things

[1:36:04] So to me that one did feel like a bit of an overreach that I like to use that word up here, but it didn't so I'm fully in favor of taking that out

[1:36:15] But I do like the sum of detectors in the carbon monoxide

[1:36:17] That's right.

[1:36:18] Yeah, that seems like an over and over to me.

[1:36:19] I agree.

[1:36:20] Okay, but those, but are these things already in your house to begin with?

[1:36:25] Or are both exactors?

[1:36:27] Not necessarily.

[1:36:28] And Jen, you would think in anybody, you know, if somebody has a home inspection that they're

[1:36:32] going through all that anyway, I mean, I know where it's the ones that are waving it and that's sort

[1:36:38] of, you know, a challenge.

[1:36:41] Right.

[1:36:41] We have so many.

[1:36:43] And also just lying.

[1:36:46] It's a tough balance, too, between fire beware, and public safety, and it's not having your entire neighborhood.

[1:36:57] It's one of the things I think this one is one that I'm willing to agree with.

[1:37:04] I don't think it's fair to call out.

[1:37:06] You can't say, well, if you're in a row home, then you have to do it.

[1:37:10] If you're in a connected home, you don't, but if you're in,

[1:37:12] Well, fire could jump just as easily, whether, I mean not just as easily, but I mean

[1:37:16] a fire could jump.

[1:37:17] It could jump, but it doesn't, I'm in favor of that coming out.

[1:37:21] I'm good.

[1:37:23] Anything else from Castle Island that one?

[1:37:26] Anything from the public on the electrical?

[1:37:30] Yeah, I just want to feel a quick comment.

[1:37:32] Yeah, could you just say your name please?

[1:37:38] Sorry.

[1:37:39] And I had an electrical instruction, it was fine.

[1:37:44] And then three months later, I went to put in

[1:37:46] I had an electrician come out to put in another outlet,

[1:37:50] and the whole electrical system was not because.

[1:37:55] So that's what I'm just thinking at some time,

[1:37:58] the inspectors are a little less good.

[1:38:12] You're right, and it's just right.

[1:38:15] It's a piece of paper.

[1:38:16] I have to read the house fire, so I'm really stupid.

[1:38:20] Get into the electrical one.

[1:38:22] That's the only one I love.

[1:38:23] You've got a story.

[1:38:24] You're going to be some detective.

[1:38:25] You're going to be fine.

[1:38:28] I've spoken to that.

[1:38:29] I think you should.

[1:38:29] And right on.

[1:38:30] I think yeah, I accept my own comment.

[1:38:34] Thanks for saying, sir, is that it?

[1:38:36] I have a quick comment.

[1:38:38] Matthew, I hear again, 40th of a school street, and with her.

[1:38:42] Just a quick comment on, it pretty much encompasses

[1:38:45] this movement, the fact that you're going to like

[1:38:46] to come all of those, as well, and everything else.

[1:38:49] Is there, and we could be now putting the viral financial risk

[1:38:55] scenario, like the liability on the barrel now, who you're requiring.

[1:39:01] But my concern, as a resident of the barrel, is now that you're going to require

[1:39:06] all some or none of the stuff that you'll have.

[1:39:10] You require some of these things, and something happened is now the barrel

[1:39:14] who have risks of litigation or loss, and also along with that, the title

[1:39:20] to take the past in 1998, which is for the disclosure, right?

[1:39:27] Will the barrel, or could the barrel possibly be at risk for financial liability, say,

[1:39:34] three years down a road, somebody decides, you know what?

[1:39:37] I'm going to argue this in court.

[1:39:39] And they win.

[1:39:40] Like the situation in the other hand.

[1:39:42] It's not sure how to imagine.

[1:39:44] Is it far in the mean now?

[1:39:46] Could it be on the book for a possible class action?

[1:39:48] for the three years of transactions that happen,

[1:39:51] and all those people that have to pay all that money,

[1:39:53] from in-bowards of workments,

[1:39:56] so that's my major concern right there.

[1:39:58] I don't, I'm a resident of this world,

[1:40:02] I've lived in this world in my whole entire life,

[1:40:04] I don't want to hear you.

[1:40:06] This is a absolute, and I want you to say,

[1:40:10] so absolutely,

[1:40:11] all you're trying to do is trying to do things,

[1:40:13] trying to gain power as a offset,

[1:40:17] that will help, you're just trying to do this though,

[1:40:21] and the premise of public safety,

[1:40:23] clearly I think a lot of people here seem to,

[1:40:25] it's not the public safety, because you are,

[1:40:28] you don't have to be the, you're a social worker.

[1:40:30] So it's not, it's not, I just want to answer your question,

[1:40:33] honestly, what I'm not going anything from the D,

[1:40:35] we are meeting our D, we requirements,

[1:40:37] we're drinking water requirements

[1:40:38] that I need to meet, to deliver water to your home.

[1:40:43] These same requirements come because we own a water company,

[1:40:45] We're not like every other town in Montgomery County up or down the lower

[1:40:49] blended with it. They don't know what a company we do. So that's why we have to

[1:40:54] need to agree with it. They can do the deep hey, but they can't do us. We are made to do this.

[1:41:00] You're required, but if you fix it, yes, I'll post the requirements.

[1:41:05] I'll set them to absolutely.

[1:41:08] Thank you.

[1:41:16] Thank you.

[1:41:19] I want to make a comment.

[1:41:20] We're talking about safety safety safety safety that we know how about 265 days in

[1:41:26] Europe.

[1:41:27] We're used to safety there in everyday living room.

[1:41:30] So, a person who doesn't have time to fail and safety is 365 days in Europe.

[1:41:37] So, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish in that point of sale when you really feel

[1:41:43] that there's been real time and real safety.

[1:41:46] Thank you for your comment.

[1:41:48] Anything else from the electrical?

[1:41:49] Or move on?

[1:41:51] Very quickly, I think part of what some of the less are struggling with is trying to flesh out what the policy is doing.

[1:41:57] I am certainly in favor of the solicitor of the thing that's better.

[1:42:01] Something that would be required to move, thus, who are putting off doors,

[1:42:05] off the floor, and to our home.

[1:42:07] We may be able to talk about that right now.

[1:42:10] I think something that we need to consider though,

[1:42:12] is probably trying to be a state or we're trying to talk about it.

[1:42:16] Certainly there are lots of things that we would see from the students in person who are following these folks that people would hear things.

[1:42:23] But if you're not always amongst the way to protect individuals from the media,

[1:42:27] and I think we need to separate this to write this to one another and really do this about things.

[1:42:32] Do you want me your name again?

[1:42:33] Megan Greene?

[1:42:35] Do you think you want to break that?

[1:42:36] Thank you.

[1:42:36] I'm going to make the last move.

[1:42:39] There's a little bit too much work, there's always public safety.

[1:42:41] You start up by saying it's about public safety.

[1:42:43] I will add that typical grades to go to ordinances, my day that I just put the whole

[1:42:50] grades that I think I was going to get out of the fund is health safety and welfare.

[1:42:54] Safety is one of the three works, the overall welfare of the borough, health safety welfare.

[1:43:00] So that will be in the next draft, it's not just safety safety, that's just a part.

[1:43:04] Thank you.

[1:43:05] Thank you.

[1:43:06] Thank you.

[1:43:07] I don't

[1:43:10] know if I can already tell, so it's not really favored to be this in, if that's the case.

[1:43:14] I'll say nothing and say it one more time.

[1:43:16] It's still right here on the table, and I'll also have a couple of minutes.

[1:43:20] But I mean, nobody was here on that, so I mean, I guess if it does come to stay in the ordinance,

[1:43:25] it'll be coming to the next meeting and it can be used thus then.

[1:43:27] Black friends.

[1:43:28] I'll hold them off.

[1:43:29] Thanks, Elf.

[1:43:31] All right.

[1:43:32] So the last portion of the ordinance is the curbsidewalk alley requirements.

[1:43:38] So any comments that's from the committee about the curb and sidewalk requirement?

[1:43:45] Yeah, real quick we already have ordinances covering sidewalks and sidewalk repair?

[1:43:52] Yes, so that's already.

[1:43:56] That's something we can enforce at any time.

[1:43:58] Yes, okay, thank you.

[1:44:00] This is

[1:44:04] up to the sure we have we get calls running on like all that and where we

[1:44:08] do streets in the eighth street people out and we mark her and I walk and say

[1:44:13] for maybe your street we need to make all of these repairs. That is extremely controversial.

[1:44:18] We bring it to get like this with usually one or two blocks and that's a straight for all

[1:44:22] not year. You know people are very upset. They walk the house wide and we expect

[1:44:27] when they go at it, now I need to spend, yeah. I just got a block place for one block.

[1:44:32] No curveable, I straight 1,000 dollars for one block.

[1:44:36] You need to spend it. Yeah.

[1:44:37] We've six blocks in her, it is a lot of money.

[1:44:40] So when we get a complaint, we do often have to go out and tell them,

[1:44:45] whether this is required, you need to maintain this.

[1:44:48] And the person who's dormitory or setting this in, it's still not happening.

[1:44:51] I don't know if she wouldn't just buy a house and you didn't do this, right?

[1:45:00] The money is on the table. So I can't trust in my figure. Anyone in this room, so I know we're full of real estate agents. If you're not telling them and their inspection isn't pointing it out to them, they're really don't realize they're responsible because we hear from the council, and they don't know that they're responsible. They think we own it. This is a great time to inspect this, make sure it's done so that both parties know that this need to be taken care of.

[1:45:30] don't do it now, we'll be at your front door in a couple of years, and you're not going

[1:45:34] to have $10,000.

[1:45:35] Especially my seniors and all these other people, so we have, you know, many seniors have lived

[1:45:40] here their whole lives, and our taxes are affordable, and we're desirable, and they make

[1:45:46] 25 times their money, or 10 times their money on what they've heard to them.

[1:45:50] So, a lot easier doing it on the way out with someone moving in than it is to turn around

[1:45:54] and have to put $50,000 out there.

[1:45:57] So, that's why it is required now.

[1:45:59] It's not a bad check to do with that time because, again, it's all ready to fly up those spots.

[1:46:05] And again, this is done in many, many, many other municipalities.

[1:46:12] I have one more question.

[1:46:13] Repairs must take place prior to the transfer of the property.

[1:46:17] We've talked about winter.

[1:46:18] We've talked about muddy conditions.

[1:46:21] Is there a way to say it's got to take, you have four months, six months?

[1:46:26] I really shouldn't be, that should, that should, that's just messed.

[1:46:29] There's another section that says that if you don't have to buy clothes, you can be able to be useful to the fire.

[1:46:34] I think when I've changed some of the language in one section, I didn't take that for a hour.

[1:46:38] Okay.

[1:46:38] That would just be natural for the other part.

[1:46:41] Thank you.

[1:46:41] I do like the language that that field has, where they look for tripping hazards, in particular,

[1:46:48] no serious cracking or heaving, because, in inspection, so what actually, what we

[1:46:56] I'm going to be trying to do what I have criteria.

[1:46:58] And that's what we're seeing in the criteria.

[1:47:00] And I said it's easy to be improvement.

[1:47:02] And it can be more easy to respect every year.

[1:47:04] And Mark X is on the blocks that have to be repaired.

[1:47:06] It was always a trimming hazard at your height.

[1:47:11] You know, it's where it breaks.

[1:47:12] You know, it's one part by a couple inches,

[1:47:15] or completely small in missing.

[1:47:17] But we can put on specific criteria in here.

[1:47:19] Yeah, that's really hard.

[1:47:20] But I mean, if it's a tiny airline ride,

[1:47:23] we're not marking it.

[1:47:24] OK.

[1:47:24] But it's really hard to write that in writing because then it's in opinion and I really don't want it's objective

[1:47:30] Yeah, I would say it's all done. If it's any more clear in our existing

[1:47:35] or importance

[1:47:37] That we would add into this one. Yeah, a little more language maybe and also

[1:47:44] You know a little bit a

[1:47:47] little bit of a you know an edge that will be a tripping hazard doesn't necessarily mean you have to replace the entire block

[1:47:53] You know, you might be able to, to, to going to ramp it, so.

[1:47:58] Sure.

[1:47:58] Yeah.

[1:47:58] These are, we've gone that.

[1:48:00] Yeah.

[1:48:01] And we're not, you know, we're not looking to screw anybody up at their money, right?

[1:48:07] But you know, if we're going to market ourselves as a walkable town, which is a primary

[1:48:14] reason why people do want to buy here, we have to be able to walk around safely.

[1:48:19] It's one of the top things I get emails about and calls about, since being on Council, is how terrible so many of our sidewalks are.

[1:48:34] I'm quite amazed.

[1:48:35] Are there any other comments from Council on this sidewalk issue?

[1:48:41] So I do on the sidewalk one.

[1:48:49] Again, I thought the same thing, but then I understand what changed the language on that take place prior to the sale of the property because that we can't do.

[1:49:00] I think we do need more clear language.

[1:49:04] I know I get it. It's hard. It is a little bit subjective.

[1:49:09] I think the curve in the sidewalk, we can do a little better. I think the alley is the one that could be really difficult.

[1:49:18] Um, you know, I've got an alien and some neighbors have a beautiful paved alley that matches

[1:49:26] the new asphalt that was just done.

[1:49:29] We have others that are just dirt.

[1:49:32] We have others that are gravel.

[1:49:34] We have others that are a mix.

[1:49:36] We have others that are cracking and falling apart.

[1:49:38] They're, it's a variety up and down the entire alley.

[1:49:41] So I have no idea what Ali means and I don't know how we define that.

[1:49:49] So that one's a little tough for me.

[1:49:54] You know, I think we need a little bit of definition around that.

[1:49:59] Again, I'm a little, I'm torn on this one.

[1:50:04] I understand this is when the money's on the table and the last thing I want to do,

[1:50:08] I imagine how I would feel if I, you know, bought a home and then all of a sudden I had to

[1:50:14] do $5,000 worth of sidewalk repairs and I didn't know that I owned or that it was my

[1:50:19] responsibility and where am I going to come up with that money and then I see the burrs

[1:50:24] perspective now, okay, we've got to go fix it. Now we're going to put a lean on your house.

[1:50:30] Now we're acting as a bank and now what is that costing us all and not just costing the burrow

[1:50:35] that's costing everybody in this room.

[1:50:39] I'm worried about liability if we,

[1:50:42] we have a lot of events

[1:50:44] and people are walking all over this town.

[1:50:48] What is that liability if someone,

[1:50:51] I mean, there are people in wheelchairs this weekend.

[1:50:53] I mean, I was even thinking as I was watching them,

[1:50:56] oh God, don't get on the other side of this street

[1:50:58] because I know what that sidewalk looks like.

[1:51:01] So I,

[1:51:05] I get it to do it here. I'm worried that it's not enough, but I, again, want to be cognizant of our financials.

[1:51:16] And I don't want to go higher, somebody to go out and do inspections, Glenn's one man.

[1:51:22] And you know, like you said, you don't, it does not result in happy people.

[1:52:01] Yeah, I'm just worried that this isn't enough, but to your point, if we're addressing those things, as they're coming up, that's fine.

[1:52:10] I just don't, again, want to be spending money to hire a person to go walk in the streets of Angler market people's houses.

[1:52:17] The last place I want to go. Perfect. Thank you.

[1:52:21] So something you can control about.

[1:52:27] Some one is walking down the street in front of your house and trips on your bandside walk.

[1:52:34] Who gets sued?

[1:52:36] Some of the bandside walk.

[1:52:38] So the sidewalk is either public right away, which is

[1:52:45] within your it's yours, but it also

[1:52:48] has the right public passage.

[1:52:49] But if you have to maintain, you have to do some, you have to fix it, but we're going to

[1:52:54] see.

[1:52:54] The barrel knows about an incident for a bad area and we don't need to maintain it some good sort of be then liable.

[1:53:01] Generally speaking, when the barrel is put on notice of a situation where liability can attach and does nothing,

[1:53:09] they potentially face liability. The common scenario there is with low accidents and highway parking and signs,

[1:53:15] where they have been told to the town. This is a dangerous curve. They don't do anything they don't put a sign up in under the town.

[1:53:20] And then you have scenario where they get sued.

[1:53:23] I'm not aware of these values getting sued

[1:53:27] unless it's their cycle.

[1:53:30] Face that.

[1:53:31] I have one other question, also about the alleys.

[1:53:37] I wonder if alleys are such a different animal

[1:53:42] than sidewalks.

[1:53:44] I wonder about taking that out of this,

[1:53:47] because it's not walkable.

[1:53:48] Yeah, it's not, the public isn't walking on it.

[1:53:54] It's not there as fire trucks.

[1:53:56] Yeah, I know fire trucks in the trash trucks,

[1:53:58] and but I also know what a problem

[1:54:01] have already and, you know, forever.

[1:54:07] That when some of these alleys need to be

[1:54:10] repaved that it's a nightmare because

[1:54:13] it's pointless to repave just a little

[1:54:15] to fill in behind your house. So we always work with all of the neighbors on a hole on a hole

[1:54:22] block. But doesn't it? It doesn't matter. Like it aren't some of them owned by the barrel and some

[1:54:30] owned by the residents. So yeah. You look at the banks from that group town. There's one of the alleys

[1:54:38] are owned by the residents of that block. Yeah. And now people drive them down all the time.

[1:54:47] And then some are public, some were personally out of streets and became out of somebody out of the alleys.

[1:54:53] So it really, you know, they are two different completely different animals.

[1:54:56] Okay, so that's that this reference to Alley in this section is referring to Alley's that are owned by the homeowners.

[1:55:06] I think that is just such a different and separate situation that we should take this out of this particular work.

[1:55:14] I would take it. I agree with taking Ellie's out.

[1:55:18] Fire trucks can probably get down. Even if there's a couple of bottles, right?

[1:55:25] My Ellie has a straight name.

[1:55:29] So it's a whole separate thing.

[1:55:31] It's separate as it is.

[1:55:32] I don't think it should be part of this.

[1:55:37] Anything else from Council?

[1:55:39] No.

[1:55:40] I will take public comment now on the sidewalk portion.

[1:55:46] If we want to keep going the way we're doing it, just create a line at the podium.

[1:55:52] Okay.

[1:55:57] Who just gave us your name now?

[1:55:59] Yes.

[1:55:59] Bob that way and my wife and I moved the corner.

[1:56:05] We have a number probably 70 year old spruce trees that are on borders of our property.

[1:56:13] And I looked at the tree orchard in the afternoon, and there was, it seems to me the only comments on trees between the sidewalk and the curb line.

[1:56:26] What I'm concerned about in this situation would be over the years, a tree that is 70 years old, obviously extend roots, and we have several sections of the sidewalk.

[1:56:42] that are more than the three inch vertical at this point.

[1:56:46] I've talked to the code enforcement officer in a couple of occasions, but I don't have

[1:56:51] to solve that.

[1:56:52] It's your problem.

[1:56:56] Thank you.

[1:57:03] Thank you.

[1:57:04] So my question regarding sidewalks, if there is something that needs repair, if there's something

[1:57:09] in the homeowner can use themselves, because I live forwarding upper-dublin and they just had

[1:57:14] all of their sidewalks who hired to be repaired.

[1:57:17] And they had to do it with the township and the township charge, whatever.

[1:57:23] And also what defines, like, so a crap in the sidewalk,

[1:57:26] like, where is that fine?

[1:57:29] Because, like, upper-down and required any damage to it,

[1:57:31] to be totally replaced by the township at a very expensive cost.

[1:57:36] So, is that something become a matter of parallel cells?

[1:57:40] Absolutely.

[1:57:41] Yeah.

[1:57:42] I mean, we do the paving.

[1:57:43] We won't let you say we were going to pay your street.

[1:57:46] We would come out, hopefully we'd try and get after at least six months in advance and say we're putting vids out to do gaming.

[1:57:53] We would mark your house.

[1:57:54] So if it's a slight crack and there's no trip hazard, chances are we would be below.

[1:58:00] If it looks like it's only a trip or it's starting to really separate, different story.

[1:58:05] You have the option of getting your own contractor and doing it if you do nothing.

[1:58:08] That's when the borrowing, when we gave the hired contractor, people do any houses that were not done.

[1:58:15] And we will turn around and send the bill to you.

[1:58:17] And that's where we run into.

[1:58:18] When the person does not pay, we have to clean their property.

[1:58:21] And we do not have to clean it.

[1:58:22] We're a small town.

[1:58:24] We don't like cleaning our neighbors.

[1:58:26] And that's it.

[1:58:26] It's said, we don't.

[1:58:27] I thought it would be with sidewalks.

[1:58:30] You could, if they were minor, you could repair your own sidewalk.

[1:58:33] And it curves, curves, none.

[1:58:36] I'm sure you can't.

[1:58:37] Yeah.

[1:58:38] You can.

[1:58:39] You can't.

[1:58:40] They just can't be replaced.

[1:58:46] They curbs one of the totally replaced when the other cut.

[1:58:50] Yeah.

[1:58:53] And it sounds like we're going to add clarification to the next.

[1:58:56] To the next draft about tripping hazard versus just a crack that's.

[1:58:59] I just want to have a question about the alley too.

[1:59:01] like, so where would you define like the borders of the alley to be that common under the

[1:59:07] bridge to it?

[1:59:07] I think we're taking it out.

[1:59:11] And Mary to clarify, I think what we've done before is when you're about doing street

[1:59:16] paving.

[1:59:17] You've said, you know, fix your sidewalk on your own or I can get you a deal with a contractor

[1:59:23] who they're heading, I mean, nothing against unions, but when we do contractors, we're

[1:59:31] that we need to meet because of the cost of the job.

[1:59:34] So, the laborer might get $75 an hour a unit wage.

[1:59:38] Yep. You may find the guy who lives in Amber, who's a local contractor, support him too,

[1:59:42] and you're paying a lot less hours a day. So, okay. You have both options. Perfect. Thank you.

[1:59:48] Welcome back.

[1:59:49] I'm just kidding.

[1:59:50] I'm just kidding.

[1:59:52] So, I get...

[2:00:00] There's no need,

[2:00:07] if someone complains about my sidewalk and it's out of spec, if you mark it up, do I give the wait until I resell my house to fix it? Right? The answer's no. So this really does nothing. If you're worried about hiring people to inspect, you still have to inspect whenever someone's selling a house, right? So instead of having a systematic inspection, you're scarrot shopping based on grease, like home sales that doesn't seem like the climate in my opinion.

[2:00:35] Thank you.

[2:00:39] Very deep think.

[2:00:40] I feel like maybe Glenn mentioned this at a previous meeting that this would probably be

[2:00:45] one of those times where if one house on a block, getting this inspection because it's

[2:00:51] being sold, it's a great opportunity where other names would look at the, we would look at the whole

[2:01:01] and then, you know, help them out with the need of that suit and be able to help them.

[2:01:09] I don't know much about that.

[2:01:12] I don't know much about that.

[2:01:13] I don't know much about that.

[2:01:17] I don't know much about that.

[2:01:19] And I don't want to go there.

[2:01:25] My goal really is to avoid going there, honestly.

[2:01:30] And that's exactly right if this is a way right so I'm look no, but I am I'm I'm torn on this one because on one hand

[2:01:39] I feel like okay, I can get it. I can get behind it's a public safety issue. I'm

[2:01:45] Good with all that we already haven't ordinance the addresses this, but

[2:01:50] We're obviously not set up unless we all want to pay more in taxes to hire somebody to come out and look at our sidewalks and make

[2:01:58] all of us are really upset.

[2:02:01] This is sort of a happy medium for me.

[2:02:05] Maybe I keep talking, clearly I'm still deciding.

[2:02:17] But I don't know, we absolutely can.

[2:02:19] And probably 50% of the barrel is going to get a notice

[2:02:22] of violation and have to spend thousands dollars.

[2:02:26] That's the other way we can go.

[2:02:27] I'm not saying this.

[2:02:28] I'm threatening, that's just how the order is written.

[2:02:30] We just have to refrain from it because it is a very ugly conversation.

[2:02:34] Yeah, I'd prefer not to go, honestly, honestly, I'd prefer to avoid going to that ordinance and enforcing it and hiring more staff to go out or have even part time because Glenn can't do it off.

[2:02:51] He's going to have to go out. Somebody's got to walk the streets of Amblar. Mark all of these. See if they're getting done.

[2:02:57] you know they're there and then you're talking about word now becoming a small bank

[2:03:02] you know for the leans last thing I want to do is put a lean on somebody's property

[2:03:06] especially some elderly person who can't afford a side walk so if I can do this is a happy

[2:03:11] medium and I'm sorry for the real others I am I know it's crappy for you I don't know

[2:03:17] but I I think this is one of those common I agree it is and in every ordinance that I

[2:03:27] and you talked about upper-devilined Tina did where they did it and everybody had a pay.

[2:03:32] I don't think that would be well received here either.

[2:03:36] I think we'd need a bigger room.

[2:04:29] Thank you.

[2:04:33] Come on with this stuff.

[2:04:35] Again, as I said before, we're not looking to screw everybody over.

[2:04:44] I'm going to reiterate what that gentleman said.

[2:04:46] But add to it that if we happen existing ordinance and we're just duplicating it,

[2:04:51] there's no problem to solve because there's a next existing work.

[2:04:56] So what you're saying is there's a problem with the existing ordinance

[2:05:01] because it doesn't seem like this is doing anything different.

[2:05:06] It's just, as I mentioned earlier, adding a data collection blank

[2:05:11] that might facilitate progress on sidewalks.

[2:05:16] But that's not saying that this ordinance isn't redundant today.

[2:05:21] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's a redundant but it's a trigger.

[2:05:24] Exactly. Thank you.

[2:05:27] The

[2:05:44] comments.

[2:05:46] I know years ago, they, of course, the ordinance in Amber, like 20 years ago.

[2:05:52] And I remember they did.

[2:05:56] And when we sold the property that, it fixed that they didn't have enough.

[2:06:00] They didn't have enough.

[2:06:02] They leaned the property.

[2:06:03] So, I'm a little confused, I guess.

[2:06:06] The prison ordinance.

[2:06:07] There was never a force.

[2:06:09] So I'm not sure about that, but I am as a real favorite of when the sale is done that responsible for somebody that's brought up where it's negotiated in the neighborhood.

[2:06:26] Because the ambulance is a walkable community and there's some sidewalks that are really trip hazards that are dangerous and it's for the homeowners benefit also because I've been

[2:06:40] at a friends of mine and this is civilian.

[2:06:43] It's quite common, lawsuits, or it's just the common thing.

[2:06:48] And it's very easy to tell the states to laugh.

[2:06:53] It's easy to make money tripping on a sideways.

[2:06:57] Oh, I apologize.

[2:06:58] It's so awful.

[2:06:59] People are handy.

[2:07:00] They're not good for homeowners.

[2:07:01] They're not handy either.

[2:07:03] It's ways to smooth that out, to raise it,

[2:07:06] But, andlers definitely should do that, and most properties, you know, most properties are 50 foot rock, white, and there's like 7 or 8 blocks.

[2:07:16] So, you know, because always we get clear on what's a trip hazard and crack, what needs to be replaced.

[2:07:22] I think that's going to be doing pretty well.

[2:07:24] Yes. So, I would be a favorite of that.

[2:07:26] The other thing that I think, as a walking community, is that the trees or shrubs should be,

[2:07:36] Take this here, also, because that's a safe issue, because as a woman, I walk myself from my grandmother where I actually have to go to the street, because I can't get past the bushes.

[2:07:49] Sometimes the road's bushes are whatever, so they should be, you know, that should be something that's addressed.

[2:07:56] That does happen when we get calls.

[2:07:58] Yeah, all about that we will reach out to the homeowner and tell them some people just someone and one

[2:08:02] The property and they let it go. Yeah, but we do we do we trust those and what's this the correct side walk

[2:08:08] If we get a call, we do we trust it. That's good. We don't want to take it on our own and upset the entire

[2:08:14] No, some of them if it's brought up or whatever that was before that's good and the last thing is

[2:08:23] It's grown by hand.

[2:08:24] Good grant.

[2:08:25] That's coming.

[2:08:26] That's coming.

[2:08:27] It's taken six weeks or three to the end.

[2:08:29] Highland.

[2:08:30] I know.

[2:08:30] We've had a grant for six, seven years.

[2:08:35] We're putting sidewalks on all of Highland.

[2:08:39] We're still working on the park on the side.

[2:08:41] That's part of a bigger project.

[2:08:43] Sidewalks will go on north.

[2:08:46] North, north, straight.

[2:08:47] And Highland.

[2:08:49] OK.

[2:08:49] Actually, it's eight years we've had the grant.

[2:08:51] We haven't set the money because we have the money. Jim, when is that going to bid?

[2:08:56] I'm going to shut one star next to early next year.

[2:08:59] Yeah, that's good. So the borough of profit.

[2:09:02] I guess we've got a borough of the year.

[2:09:02] We're guilty too. We have.

[2:09:06] Thank you.

[2:09:09] Thank you.

[2:09:12] Hi.

[2:09:12] I'm sorry.

[2:09:13] Rachel again.

[2:09:14] Two thirty-one.

[2:09:15] Two thirty-one.

[2:09:16] Three thirty.

[2:09:16] In regards to sidewalks,

[2:09:18] If we have to have a resale start, I want to be like up in Marion and all those places that don't have one.

[2:09:25] But if we have to have a resale start, we could do three things that are typical, the sidewalks, trip hazards.

[2:09:33] We have to David for smoke detectors, and then visible street numbers, house numbers, so the fireman can save us from the housing on fire.

[2:09:42] But I'm enlightened and I'm glad I came today by the thought that, you know, we do, I never really thought about it.

[2:09:50] We do own our water company, and we do have stormwater problems that maybe are not typical since it's a milltail.

[2:10:00] So I'm just a little bit worried that if it would be nice if we could have funding of these many sewer laterals that are going to be in need of replacement.

[2:10:11] If we could have a more affordable way to fund that, like the insurance, I'm going to check my homework, but I think

[2:10:18] Allison is correct that unless it fails, they're not going to pay for anything.

[2:10:23] If we need an upgrade of our waterline, I'd rather instead of paying $100 for a waterline insurance that only pays

[2:10:31] my waterline race, I'm a rather paid 200 for a policy that will cover it up when it needs

[2:10:38] to be updated, if it needs to be updated. And the same thing for the sewer lateral, I'm concerned

[2:10:44] because it could be 10,000, 14,000, and so on. So if we have to do a resale search, why not have

[2:10:53] a reasonable one that is typical like other places do, which would be the three items that everyone

[2:11:00] And then maybe we should address these stormwater issues a little more aggressively in another way because it seems like the problem is bigger than I had your life.

[2:11:13] I wish there was a answer for that.

[2:11:14] But we addressed it anyway possible.

[2:11:16] We've gotten great in speech applied for grants.

[2:11:19] One of the, I don't want to get on the whole stormwater thing, but I'll tell you where we're at.

[2:11:23] We are at the bottom at the creek.

[2:11:26] That's where we live after.

[2:11:28] And there was water coming, you know, all the way from the North Wales coming all the way down to the west exit.

[2:11:33] Our entry point is here.

[2:11:35] And we get those furious rains that we're getting now more often.

[2:11:38] The creek is here.

[2:11:41] So, when our water goes in, it doesn't know where to go, it backs up.

[2:11:45] I can't lift this up to train station.

[2:11:47] And that is what it entails.

[2:11:49] Yeah.

[2:11:49] But I think the last time we looked $20 million to make the COVID-19 Main Street larger and the one in orange.

[2:11:55] That's only two.

[2:11:56] No one has that kind of money, and we applied for it.

[2:11:59] We made it an 8 million dollars back then, 12 million.

[2:12:03] We keep looking for funding, we go through FEMA.

[2:12:05] It doesn't exist, and that's just not in our budget.

[2:12:09] We've offered to buy out these own stuff, to put basins and no one wants to sell.

[2:12:15] So if it's a program, we've looked in it and we've tried.

[2:12:20] Well, I mean, as a person who has limited funds on the United States,

[2:12:24] and the commitment of the borough.

[2:12:26] But I was really worried about honestly on a resale,

[2:12:32] like then said, if it's a massive bill,

[2:12:37] it could be not global.

[2:12:39] But that's the thing with the roof.

[2:12:40] If you look at the house and do an inspection,

[2:12:42] it means a roof's more expensive than what we're proposing.

[2:12:45] Right.

[2:12:46] Well, if they're buying a house, they get inspects.

[2:12:49] And if they inspect, and they want to put a camera in,

[2:12:52] that's great.

[2:12:52] I mean, but that's typical, but with our frustration and with the water company that we need to do these things, it's just not trying to hold up to say I want to hurt any of you agents.

[2:13:05] But I think we should come up with a Navy and insurance policy that will actually fund us.

[2:13:10] Got 10 people. I can't ensure that.

[2:13:13] I'm sorry.

[2:13:14] We do the water.

[2:13:16] No, they're not there.

[2:13:16] All right.

[2:13:17] Yeah.

[2:13:17] Policy that we have to align policy.

[2:13:21] That's basically, yeah.

[2:13:23] But that policy is not going to cover us if it's, if it's led.

[2:13:27] Then how are you looking to that?

[2:13:29] They should.

[2:13:29] Yeah.

[2:13:29] Get a rider on your homers.

[2:13:31] John John.

[2:13:32] That's the best way out there.

[2:13:34] Okay.

[2:13:34] All right.

[2:13:35] That's the best way out there.

[2:13:36] That's the best way out there.

[2:13:37] All right.

[2:13:58] I think it should be a typical one, not an overreaching one.

[2:14:06] where we stand, curves, alleys, and funny ones.

[2:14:12] And I just wanted to bring something up there is obviously

[2:14:16] aesthetic ordinance on the books in the borough code really

[2:14:20] specifically due to the sidewalks.

[2:14:22] So the fact that it's not being followed and being

[2:14:25] refrain from is a little disconcerting, but I get it.

[2:14:28] It's challenging.

[2:14:29] What I don't understand is this is being

[2:14:31] not perceived in an eye-grey and a ton of our sidewalks

[2:14:33] are an horrible condition.

[2:14:34] Like, you know, like, on my walk alone, I had one house sell in the past five years, so that fix is maybe three sidewalk blocks, and then 25 other sidewalk blocks are still in that.

[2:14:44] So if you actually follow the ordinance that you have currently on the folks, I realize it's not a conversation you want to have, but then it's uniform.

[2:14:53] You know, the neighbors can get together and they can get...

[2:15:01] I think doing a piece, I just don't know what's going to change the goal of that year. So then maybe we should do it, I see what's going to happen.

[2:15:09] Thank you.

[2:15:15] Thank you.

[2:15:27] I'm afraid that's going to cause us all money.

[2:15:30] more money.

[2:15:32] More rentals that are out there.

[2:15:33] They really ignore us.

[2:15:35] So, we're going to hold only that block.

[2:15:37] We're going to pass it off to the next person.

[2:15:39] And we're going to be raising tax to the public.

[2:15:42] And Creek pandemic.

[2:15:43] The entire town was inspecting a sidewalk.

[2:15:46] I mean, a street by street.

[2:15:48] And having come owners repair and replace or whatever.

[2:15:51] Pandemic hit.

[2:15:52] They stopped and they have not started it back.

[2:15:54] And it's now in their ordinance for their, um, that the sale.

[2:16:00] but they start a big audience like we do on the volcano.

[2:16:03] I don't know why they didn't start, I don't know why they-

[2:16:08] people of food.

[2:16:22] Those types of charges roll up for the number.

[2:16:24] They're burning down for all the sidewalks.

[2:16:32] They don't have to hear about it.

[2:16:33] Well, for adults, they also have parts that they may have a certified mix from a kind

[2:16:40] of a product.

[2:16:41] Oh yeah.

[2:16:42] Yeah.

[2:16:43] I mean, I know it won't be the worst services.

[2:16:46] Yeah.

[2:16:47] You have to do a special base advantage.

[2:16:50] Back to the route.

[2:16:51] We'll inspect this.

[2:16:52] This is one block.

[2:17:01] So as we just said, we will allow that.

[2:17:05] So, you know, we're not good villains.

[2:17:06] We're not good villains.

[2:17:07] I'm quite surprised you get, you know, perceived you because it is so

[2:17:10] walkable like that.

[2:17:11] Just be like that.

[2:17:12] We're really achieve the goal of so much more than taking a

[2:17:15] shooting a shooting.

[2:17:15] And what happens if there's a point of sale and the

[2:17:23] And as it is in the buyer doesn't do it, then what does the buyer put in the new order's property, and that's the buyer.

[2:17:30] So then the borough will only be on that property and fix it and that's that.

[2:17:35] Because otherwise the borough will potentially be liable.

[2:17:38] We can't, we can only, we can only, we can only react to it.

[2:17:41] We can't, we can only go what we like.

[2:17:43] Right, right, right, right.

[2:17:46] So that's the thing, that's the thing, that's the thing.

[2:17:50] I'm trying to remember what it.

[2:17:59] Probably two or five don't want to know.

[2:18:02] I've been a resident for four years,

[2:18:04] and I have about three to come to council meeting.

[2:18:09] I think the contract is going to provide a list of it,

[2:18:14] and we're going to talk about the step in the background.

[2:18:17] There's been so many silly tools walking around the house to buy.

[2:18:21] And I want this track to encourage them to cover that.

[2:18:23] They're shouldn't be put on this dollar at the time.

[2:18:28] It's been a lot of other representations

[2:18:30] that we maybe attend in spec things that have a sign

[2:18:35] and not put it on the seller.

[2:18:38] It's a very stressful time to begin with.

[2:18:41] And then you're providing more stress.

[2:18:43] If there is a ordinance, if there's a ordinance,

[2:18:46] if there's a saying that you don't have enough people

[2:18:48] to enforce the ordinance or we want,

[2:18:51] You know, Amber, the first of the long two of them, you see a lot of people together to do different things.

[2:18:58] And you know, you're saying, putting in the news letter.

[2:19:00] You want everyone to report to the outside law for me.

[2:19:04] You know, I, by the neighborhood, want to report the federal, and I don't know the outside law from the streets.

[2:19:10] But, you know, sometimes you get the way of it.

[2:19:12] I think it's, you know, you know, you would just want to take other steps and take a piece by piece and find what,

[2:19:19] not to go something on the seller.

[2:19:22] At that point, I think the report is stressful.

[2:19:26] And I'm a resident, not a real one, so I think that represents

[2:19:30] an opportunity with a traffic jam.

[2:19:32] Thank you.

[2:19:33] I will, I will, I have to be happy to be.

[2:19:36] I have no other, but I'm here with a tax paying

[2:19:40] for real.

[2:19:41] Yes, resident.

[2:19:42] Yes.

[2:19:42] Thank you.

[2:19:44] Thank you.

[2:19:47] I've got to get in line.

[2:19:50] So I'm just kind of confused if you haven't wanted to let it stand enough time to

[2:19:56] have the time to again fight the grass, isn't it?

[2:19:58] No, that wasn't my point at all.

[2:20:00] My point was that I personally, and I'm not speaking for council, I personally was saying

[2:20:07] that I have an issue having blend or hiring another borer resource to walk the streets and

[2:20:17] tell all of these people that they need to go spend potentially $10,000 dollars depending

[2:20:24] on their property imagine if you're on a corner I don't even know what that means for

[2:20:27] you that you're going to have to do this. We know from experience that most people don't do

[2:20:34] it. Now the borrow has to spend the money to do it. We have to put a lean on your property

[2:20:40] now it's harder for you to sell your property because now you're going to sell it with a lean

[2:20:43] it, right? So all of these things I'm just saying are compounding. Again, I'm torn out of it,

[2:20:50] but my point was that I don't want to spend burry sources personally to go have somebody to go

[2:20:56] walk and mark all of your properties and have people be put in that sort of financial hardship. I

[2:21:02] think that's far. I think you got to start somewhere with my son does the same, yep.

[2:21:38] But it's not

[2:22:09] I think we've agreed that we're going to clarify the ordinance that is not just a crack, it's going to be a tripping hazard, which

[2:22:23] I want to be clear that it's that we're not saying that the the seller has to take as you can work it out with the buyer like nobody this and and if somebody wants your house they're probably not going to walk away over a $5,000 side walk repair.

[2:22:36] They may I don't know. I'm just saying that if I were buying a house in Amblar and I was stuck on five thousand dollar sidewalk, it wouldn't stop me.

[2:22:46] I mean, it's you are you are absolutely assuming lots of things and it's very personal, but it could be half of that right you might split.

[2:22:55] I'm just saying there's lots of creative ways that it could be worked out. I don't want it to feel like it's just seller.

[2:23:01] for that one. Don't come out and expect it to

[2:23:17] be clear about looking for

[2:23:33] the sidewalks trying to

[2:23:34] address this problem.

[2:23:36] All right. I think we've already covered it.

[2:23:39] All right. Yeah.

[2:23:40] It's a do it when you're selling your house or do it at some random other time.

[2:23:47] And I think it makes.

[2:23:49] We have it in here because it makes more sense financially and otherwise to do it when you're selling

[2:23:55] in their house, not whenever we feel like inspecting their street.

[2:24:06] Doing that.

[2:24:07] I can church out in north now.

[2:24:09] They're congregate.

[2:24:10] They're really easy to talk about what kind of music.

[2:24:13] And they actually.

[2:24:15] And the hard books.

[2:24:16] Doing my insurance.

[2:24:17] For a surety bond.

[2:24:18] For a country.

[2:24:19] Because I failed it on.

[2:24:20] Like women.

[2:24:21] For a country.

[2:24:22] So it's just an idea.

[2:24:23] Maybe that's just a short one.

[2:24:25] But you can have a violation.

[2:24:27] and come to the agreement instead of leaning, you know, maybe you have them pick up on, and if you need to continue, you know, you need to turn on.

[2:24:37] Thank you.

[2:24:38] Thank you.

[2:24:39] Thank you.

[2:24:39] I'm going to be very grateful.

[2:24:43] The opening goal is to meet sidewalks.

[2:24:47] We're accessible.

[2:24:48] We're walkable.

[2:24:50] And I think the best way to do it is to enforce what's out there.

[2:24:54] You're going to do it at a point sale.

[2:24:57] You're talking about it.

[2:24:58] You're talking about it every so long.

[2:25:00] Is that really going to mean how long is it going?

[2:25:03] You're taking to make the rest of it different.

[2:25:06] What am I going to do now?

[2:25:08] What do you mean?

[2:25:09] Do you see what's going to be three point six dollars?

[2:25:13] I just feel like if the code is on folks already,

[2:25:16] please force the code.

[2:25:17] I know it's been both.

[2:25:19] I have seen all the reasons, but I think to do it at point sale.

[2:25:23] The number one, I don't think it's going to really serve the purpose that you wanted to serve.

[2:25:28] Because this is not enough power to sell your family for people to come here.

[2:25:32] On the same year, we don't want to use the minimum things.

[2:25:36] And there's just nothing to do.

[2:25:37] I don't think it's going to be noticeable.

[2:25:39] There's a different law office, but you must not do that.

[2:25:42] That's fine.

[2:25:43] Thank you.

[2:25:46] All right.

[2:25:48] All right.

[2:25:49] Thank you very much.

[2:25:51] When I was counting this, I was using this for the first time.

[2:25:56] I had to write an experiment there, and I had to do that.

[2:26:01] I really wanted to write that one.

[2:26:04] Safety is in every one in part time.

[2:26:07] You're my question right.

[2:26:10] I don't care.

[2:26:12] I'm putting this action in part time.

[2:26:15] First and foremost, that is one way.

[2:26:18] There are two things to do there, there is no cover of what's going on.

[2:26:24] So, everyone that comes to go down with it, but you don't need to go to the sidewall for people to walk.

[2:26:33] I have put in real air into a workcraft, and you have to go to the side and say,

[2:26:38] when you were ready to.

[2:26:45] And we were, you know,

[2:26:48] There's no important.

[2:26:59] Yeah, that's the plan that we've been successful in.

[2:27:09] So that's the corner of Woodland and...

[2:27:12] What was that like?

[2:27:14] Yes, you know what I mean?

[2:27:15] You know, when you're heading each corner,

[2:27:19] you're trying to avoid this absolutely no point.

[2:27:22] But it was public room.

[2:27:24] You know, because it's not the part of the issue.

[2:27:25] So you can't just want another point today.

[2:27:28] You know, you have to be obsessed with that.

[2:27:31] And this would become an issue if that property is sorry.

[2:27:35] Yes, that's why that's why she's mentioning

[2:27:52] Well, we keep the chatter down, please

[2:28:05] And that's what I think you're not just talking about the current.

[2:28:09] It's just something that leads me to think for anyway, especially from the time.

[2:28:13] I don't talk to people, you say, you know, like, you know, if I don't ask you, you know,

[2:28:18] what's going to happen?

[2:28:20] I'm telling you, I'm not going to say, don't I just think for you?

[2:28:23] Do you know what I'm going to know?

[2:28:25] Because if I see you, I'll be, yeah, it's like that.

[2:28:30] Thank you for your time.

[2:28:31] Thank you.

[2:28:33] Thank you.

[2:28:45] We want to be voting, which I attain, we're making changes to the ordinance, we have to vote to advertise it first.

[2:29:03] All right.

[2:29:03] or anything, whatever form it is in, then.

[2:29:07] And it's very possible, the next meeting we may also make more changes.

[2:29:11] So it could be a multi-meeting.

[2:29:13] Yeah, all right.

[2:29:13] Well, and we don't have our meeting at the beginning of July.

[2:29:17] So our next meeting, yeah, why do you think we're next meeting at the beginning?

[2:29:22] Yeah.

[2:29:23] Matthew Edgar again, who we call school screen, I just have one of those questions.

[2:29:26] the solicitor. Well, this occurring inside of what requirement is now open. If it's required,

[2:29:34] we're going to inspect it by the referral. This transaction is going to be available for the

[2:29:40] local sale property. It's not active on, but it's required by the referral. It's now the

[2:29:46] the barrel on the hook, the auto litigation, because the barrel now requires the physical effort.

[2:29:53] Even though you can detect...

[2:30:11] All right, I think that concludes the discussion. On the ordinance, it sounds like we will be sending it back to our solicitor to make changes that were discussed tonight. At the next meeting in July, the most we would be doing is either making additional changes or voting to advertise for hearing. We won't be voting on a final ordinance next meeting.

[2:30:31] All right, are

[2:30:42] there any-

[2:30:50] That said, it's all in there.

[2:31:16] the plumber would go in and send something that will go well.

[2:31:19] It will be clear in the Earth.

[2:31:21] That's right.

[2:31:25] And if someone has to back to the better,

[2:31:26] yeah, the fire will get inspected.

[2:31:27] We can't do the work, but it's right.

[2:31:29] Or if something will go out, the bird will

[2:31:31] come inside the house, lens, and specifically

[2:31:33] the nothing to do that.

[2:31:34] No, that's not planned.

[2:31:35] This is our water company.

[2:31:37] Our water company will just like we go in and change your meter.

[2:31:39] We will go in and verify that's what we should be doing.

[2:31:42] We can create for free.

[2:31:45] That's what the barrel has to write to go in there.

[2:31:48] We need to go in there.

[2:31:48] and change meters, and then they change the wiring, and so forth, yes they will.

[2:31:54] All right, all right, are there any comments from Council on the rest of the finance and planning agenda?

[2:32:08] I just said a little bit.

[2:32:10] I'm going to take a break.

[2:32:15] Okay, we are continuing with the rest of the agenda now.

[2:32:21] All right, are there any comments or questions on the rest of the finance and planning agenda?

[2:32:26] Do you need a vote?

[2:32:27] I think we should take a little break.

[2:32:29] We're going to recess for like two minutes because I don't want to stay in the rest of the meeting.

[2:32:35] I know.

[2:32:36] I don't know.

[2:32:38] We've got to put it up.

[2:32:40] We are back in session.

[2:32:42] I'm going to finish off the finance and planning committee.

[2:32:46] All right.

[2:32:47] So Mary, number three, the Edgewood Drive store and pipe grant.

[2:32:51] Can you give us a little more information on that one?

[2:32:53] Okay, so this, the majority of this work is reasonable of the form many of your time.

[2:33:01] It's about the green line edgewood for some housing mobility.

[2:33:05] There is a lot of, and that was very controversial.

[2:33:08] There's nothing we could do when we had a very busy mind, just like this.

[2:33:12] But again, the day is also as come worse.

[2:33:16] So, in looking at this, a very little plant of grant,

[2:33:18] or $360,000, $50,000, $50,000,

[2:33:22] I got a grant to be able to put in some inlets,

[2:33:25] capture some disorder because it is deteriorating

[2:33:28] the size of the crate, and the homes that were built there,

[2:33:31] are losing some of the dry leaves, things like that.

[2:33:37] At the end of the jet, it will collect stormwater.

[2:33:41] This is part of the end of the sport we've been talking about

[2:33:43] on my office, not much.

[2:33:45] It's a meter on this story, fire me.

[2:33:47] We'll be able to make some of this water and protect the property on it, but also

[2:33:52] protect the great, which we have a lot of blood.

[2:33:55] and we have it.

[2:34:13] What percentage of our reserves is that amount?

[2:34:27] ballpark so it's not like 30 percent okay okay but it's not a giant

[2:34:35] child gives that yeah that was my question okay and Mary you are the

[2:34:41] It's 60, 62 is our match all right.

[2:34:45] Okay, I'm sorry.

[2:34:45] So it's 46.

[2:34:46] They were fully reserved.

[2:34:48] We know that much.

[2:34:50] So it's not advanced.

[2:34:51] So like three percent.

[2:34:53] Okay.

[2:34:55] The B5 is fluctuating.

[2:34:56] The B5 is fluctuating.

[2:34:58] Yeah.

[2:35:00] Yeah.

[2:35:00] And to be clear, this is not only affecting the few houses that are right now.

[2:35:06] No.

[2:35:07] any storm water management projects we can do upstream makes it better for everybody downstream

[2:35:13] but and since there's not much we can do downstream we have to do everything we can

[2:35:18] up to. Well is this project though it's not it's it's not infiltrating the water it's going

[2:35:25] into a pipe and just being conveyed into the creek so it's going to collect it earlier but it

[2:35:32] That's, if anything, I'm speeding it up, isn't it?

[2:35:35] Right now it's going across the street.

[2:35:37] It's going to pick up whatever the street.

[2:35:39] It goes in the end like it's captured in this boat.

[2:35:42] Water quality.

[2:35:43] It's been for it.

[2:35:43] It's over to 10 minutes.

[2:35:45] Yes.

[2:35:45] So, yeah.

[2:35:47] I mean, from flooding standpoint, like if anything,

[2:35:50] I think it speeds up the water.

[2:35:52] But the, yes, the contaminant.

[2:35:53] The larger two, Jim, correct.

[2:35:56] This is a bit like a little larger.

[2:35:57] It's all the new foot there, so it's okay.

[2:36:01] You're right now it just turns as you would into a creep.

[2:36:51] Did the water go over the curb before the houses were built or was it the curb cut from the driveway that's causing the issue?

[2:36:57] I think that's making the worst but we

[2:37:12] did okay.

[2:37:13] I did.

[2:37:14] But it didn't go over.

[2:37:16] It didn't.

[2:37:16] It doesn't go over the curb.

[2:37:18] It goes down the curb cut.

[2:37:19] This issue.

[2:37:19] in a lot

[2:37:24] with this last.

[2:37:31] Well, now like, this new pipe we're putting in to help with the flooding, how long will this

[2:37:37] this last? I mean, how much was the maintenance? Yes.

[2:37:46] Do we have to replace this like after how many years will we have to replace this pipe?

[2:38:12] So, so an additional 42,000 is not a problem.

[2:38:19] I'm sorry. Mary, one more question for the like Dennis for. Does does this help us with that at all?

[2:38:24] Like I know with with that not over, you know, bringing all the sediment from the street and contaminants.

[2:38:30] That's probably will it give us any credits?

[2:38:32] I think

[2:38:36] we've done on the creek with putting in all the paintings

[2:38:39] because that's where they're going to go out and maintain them.

[2:38:43] You know, they're very popular.

[2:38:44] It was playing there along there and it was on that as well.

[2:38:47] And that does help.

[2:38:48] Right.

[2:38:48] But there's this, like, can we use this as a water quality improvement thing?

[2:38:56] Because it kind of does.

[2:38:57] That's your speaker.

[2:38:59] If you look at it.

[2:39:15] Any other comments or questions from Council?

[2:39:19] Are there any comments or comments from the public on the rest of the findings and planning agenda?

[2:40:17] Are there any energy dissipators at the outfall?

[2:40:28] Yeah, the plans here,

[2:40:32] but it's been a while since I looked at it closely.

[2:40:33] Yeah, if part of this design is to avoid erosion at one part of the creek, we're not going to design it to cause more erosion at another pentacryte.

[2:40:44] And there's standards for that, like if you'll calculate the velocity in the flow and you can't exceed a certain amount.

[2:40:49] So, all right. Any other comments from the public? Allison?

[2:40:53] I'm

[2:41:10] not really wise to be adding a 92-year residential property that we are having

[2:41:16] such serious issues that, you know, we need to now be asked to go to the sewer line.

[2:41:22] You know, I mean, I'm no very doubt question, and we've talked about this all the time.

[2:41:29] I'm glad it's come up.

[2:41:30] Right now that had primarily concrete, there is no default.

[2:41:35] What they're putting in will actually put control of it.

[2:41:38] It's going to be basins, but I have to check the lines,

[2:41:40] or going to have to put in different lines,

[2:41:42] will be a collection system there will now work not there.

[2:41:45] But the 90s, but the units are, is not quite the distance,

[2:41:49] you know, obviously the usage is in the problem,

[2:41:53] which are, you know, no problem meeting the demands for the order of the store.

[2:41:56] So it's just like you read the letters, it's just a question.

[2:41:59] And this, with as far as flooding goes, this will actually have a facility there that's going to hold some of this water once they have to collect it all right now, they're not blocking anything.

[2:42:10] The state mares, I mean, that was a big discussion and it was a very much green, but when the ground's wet and saturated, it's not blocking anything.

[2:42:18] Now each one of their tons has a structure that holds that water.

[2:42:22] So in some ways it doesn't make it better.

[2:42:25] I'm not a big fan of that unless you use the work, but it does help.

[2:42:32] Great.

[2:42:33] That is my report.

[2:42:36] South.

[2:42:38] I

[2:42:44] don't know if I'm going to do it.

[2:42:46] I'm going to do it.

[2:42:49] I'm going to do it.

[2:42:51] I'm going to do it.

[2:42:52] That

[2:42:58] is my report.

[2:43:00] And then recommendations.

[2:43:01] The committee moves.

[2:43:02] And I, like me, Ms. Nairakman, that we pay the May 2023 bills in the amount of $2,036,830

[2:43:09] in 30 cents.

[2:43:12] Second.

[2:43:13] All of favor?

[2:43:14] Hi.

[2:43:14] Any book?

[2:43:18] So if number three, do we need a monetary amount in there?

[2:43:21] Or can I just, for the recommendation?

[2:43:24] Oh, sorry.

[2:43:25] For the edgewood.

[2:43:25] Do you have more to it?

[2:43:27] Okay.

[2:43:28] The committee, Ms. Nairakman, that we avoid the bid for the edgewood.

[2:43:33] would drive storm pipe grant.

[2:43:35] Second.

[2:43:36] On paper.

[2:43:37] All right.

[2:43:38] I'm

[2:43:43] going to go to the public safety.

[2:43:46] Yeah.

[2:43:46] The committee will make no recommendations.

[2:43:49] The following business was discussed.

[2:43:51] The police department report is attached.

[2:43:54] The community ambulance report is attached.

[2:43:57] The fire department report will be provided.

[2:44:00] The public works and the code enforcement reports were received.

[2:44:04] The Amber Burrow Police Department has received a shipment of steering wheel locks for Hyundai and Kia vehicles

[2:44:11] This is due to the increase of vehicle thefts. If you are a Burrow resident and have a Hyundai or Kia police come to the police station

[2:44:24] We don't have a day

[2:44:26] We don't have a day

[2:44:30] Oh, wow, all right, I want to ask a question from committee.

[2:44:36] Sorry, I do not to prolong it, but I saw, there was some, a couple of jumps.

[2:44:43] She just didn't know what was, is it just summer, people are out.

[2:44:50] We had some jumps in public safety calls, we had some jumps in suspicious seconds.

[2:45:00] Is this related to the cars and the, is that all kind of part of this, sir?

[2:45:09] Summers out, people are out. Yep. Is that a normal uptick that we, yeah.

[2:45:16] Okay. So when make sure there wasn't some less crazy going on.

[2:45:20] I'm not really gonna add no.

[2:45:26] No problem.

[2:45:27] Yeah, we're not there yet.

[2:45:28] So close.

[2:45:30] Um, council.

[2:45:33] And then I see the other big,

[2:45:35] what I guess just again, people out the same stuff.

[2:45:39] Just seemed like the violation and some of the stuff was way up for me,

[2:45:43] but I guess we're out of hibernation.

[2:45:45] Who do you do a lot of, who is

[2:45:55] great?

[2:45:57] Awesome.

[2:45:57] Thank you.

[2:45:59] Thank you.

[2:45:59] All right, so I don't think that's okay, okay, so that's helping. Perfect, where will he be?

[2:46:09] Like just all around? Yeah, where will he be

[2:46:14] at? Okay, so speeding, not, not people that speed, but cars that speed, but problems will be a test, right?

[2:46:21] You get my inside job. Yeah, so that is good to know. All right, so I just want to make sure there wasn't some uptick somewhere that was

[2:46:32] I've all stuff, just nervous stuff, thank you.

[2:46:37] Public?

[2:46:39] Anybody have a comment?

[2:46:40] Excuse me.

[2:46:41] Excuse me.

[2:46:42] Excuse me.

[2:46:43] Excuse me.

[2:46:44] Yeah.

[2:46:45] Public of that period is just for items that are on to my agenda.

[2:46:48] At the very end of the meeting, we'll take public comment on it.

[2:46:51] Oh, it wasn't.

[2:46:52] Thank you.

[2:46:56] Thank you.

[2:46:56] That's our report.

[2:46:57] Thank you.

[2:46:58] Okay.

[2:46:59] Up next.

[2:47:00] Public utilities.

[2:47:01] Oh, Haley's back.

[2:47:03] Committee will make no recommendations.

[2:47:05] The following business was discussed.

[2:47:08] Number one, the wastewater treatment plant engineer's report was provided.

[2:47:11] Number two, the solicitor is working on the lease renewal for T-Mobile Houston Road.

[2:47:17] Any questions?

[2:47:18] Come as from the committee?

[2:47:20] Council?

[2:47:21] Public.

[2:47:23] All right.

[2:47:23] That's my report.

[2:47:26] The committee will make no recommendations.

[2:47:29] The following business was discussed.

[2:47:30] Number one, a presentation from Bird Town PA was made by Tom Voter from Whistick and Trails

[2:47:36] and Heidi Shiver from Bird Town PA.

[2:47:38] The committee will research program options and I think we're just going to table this discussion

[2:47:43] for next month.

[2:47:46] That's all right with everyone.

[2:47:48] I think it's a great idea and we can talk more in detail, but it's almost done.

[2:47:54] Any questions from my committee?

[2:47:56] I have a question.

[2:47:59] When can we put back on the agenda the concept of having dogs be leashed under control dogs be allowed in our burrow parks?

[2:48:08] Yeah, okay, it's soon like August, like not the next being, but like August September timeframe.

[2:48:17] I think maybe not in the maybe not August because people don't like, you know, hot topics in the summer.

[2:48:24] Okay. But maybe September. Okay. I think that's a great time to bring it back.

[2:48:29] All we chat to and I'm going to share the only reason I'm saying that if you have two developments

[2:48:34] large coming in for a moment. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. No, it's fine.

[2:48:38] So I just think space and think they also maybe were looking it up over.

[2:48:43] Okay. Okay. And that will give you a time for the next summer.

[2:48:46] I'm going to get it. I was like, moving in the otherwise.

[2:48:50] All right. Thank you.

[2:48:54] Maybe next meeting, no, I'm just kidding.

[2:48:57] I like trying to push it off, I just don't want to do this.

[2:48:59] And it's not time sensitive and I'm just going to ask people off their dogs and parks.

[2:49:05] Whether they allow it or not.

[2:49:06] Anyway, then the other public comment from council.

[2:49:12] And from the public.

[2:49:14] That is my report.

[2:49:18] Celebration person.

[2:49:20] All right, thank you.

[2:49:22] Thank you.

[2:49:23] Yes.

[2:49:25] The committee will make no recommendations. The following business will be discussed. Number one,

[2:49:31] below is a list of vacancies for the following appointed positions. Applications welcome,

[2:49:37] come serve your borough. Appeals board, three-year term, one seat. Environmental Advisory Council,

[2:49:45] three-year term, two seats. Human Relations Commission, three-year term, one seat.

[2:49:51] Civil Service Commission alternate, one seat, and zoning hearing board alternates, two seats.

[2:49:59] Number two, the vacant water department operator positions have been accepted by Michael Aristoclas,

[2:50:06] Daniel Fantini, and Stephen Welsh.

[2:50:11] Number three, the vacant, weight, water, mechanic position will be advertised, resumes are being accepted.

[2:50:19] Are there any questions for my committee or from the rest of Council or from the public?

[2:50:27] That is my report.

[2:50:35] Yes, because I was so distracted by the clouds of the beginning of the meeting.

[2:50:39] Arts and music.

[2:50:39] Oh my god.

[2:50:40] Oh my god.

[2:50:41] Yay.

[2:50:42] Yay.

[2:50:43] Thank you.

[2:50:44] So thank you.

[2:50:45] Liz.

[2:50:46] All the means.

[2:50:47] of volunteers, Mary, Marco, Chief, all of the staff and our police departments and all of the

[2:50:55] neighboring police departments and fire police who helped us out, oh my god, what about taking a village,

[2:51:01] and it was an event like no other. You know it's always my most favorite event of the year,

[2:51:07] but I'm telling you this year it was something completely different. You guys just. And I'm sorry I didn't

[2:51:13] so at that tradition in the middle of our earlier so that more

[2:51:16] people can hear it.

[2:51:17] But thank you.

[2:51:19] Thank you.

[2:51:20] That'd be nice for you.

[2:51:22] No, it would be nice.

[2:51:24] No, you're just the cry.

[2:51:26] The cries get in the face.

[2:51:29] Yes, that might cost me crap.

[2:51:30] You want getting that?

[2:51:32] Yeah yeah, thank you.

[2:51:33] Yeah thank you for coming up like this.

[2:51:36] Yeah that was an apology to me as well.

[2:51:37] Yeah, we were so excited about that.

[2:51:39] All right, so then the last on our agenda tonight

[2:51:43] We'll be public comment on anything that was not on tonight's agenda.

[2:51:47] Any public comment tonight?

[2:51:49] Yes.

[2:51:49] There's one more thing.

[2:51:52] All the horrendous parking messages that we have up at the floor to that.

[2:51:56] Yeah.

[2:51:57] Oh, yeah.

[2:51:58] Yeah.

[2:51:59] I'm just very, I didn't want to go on a follow-up.

[2:52:00] And then it's my office.

[2:52:02] You didn't follow-up, right?

[2:52:03] When you should be my source.

[2:52:05] So I've been working on that for a few days.

[2:52:08] There was never parking a way out there for our office.

[2:52:11] Thank you.

[2:52:12] The last couple of years, there's parking on both sides, you know, back to the chair of this,

[2:52:19] all of this, you know, that's there.

[2:52:22] Are you feeling the fire thing?

[2:52:24] I'm talking about it.

[2:52:25] I'm talking about it.

[2:52:26] I'm talking about it.

[2:52:26] Yeah.

[2:52:27] They have, well, it's too late.

[2:52:30] Yeah.

[2:52:31] Yeah.

[2:52:32] Now, the lane focuses a little more than that.

[2:52:34] That's come up for it.

[2:52:35] Yes.

[2:52:37] I mean, it's all day long.

[2:52:38] Yeah.

[2:52:47] Yeah, they do use it as parking spots as in as well.

[2:52:53] We only have one more in the mind of town.

[2:52:55] That's what the real issue is.

[2:52:57] Super, super busy.

[2:52:58] But that was never.

[2:53:00] I was doing that.

[2:53:01] It's like the.

[2:53:02] And I've never been foreign as a main man.

[2:53:05] Why?

[2:53:05] on that side. Right. Yeah. Eight. Right. I mean, I believe it's. Right.

[2:53:14] But along that strip there, I don't know what it's like.

[2:53:22] It's the whole way for

[2:53:23] a sound. Like I want to be used in just a few ways. Right. Now it's more of this

[2:53:28] really because you have one way of working, it's still

[2:53:32] and you have to go out for a few minutes.

[2:53:36] Who's burned in the old way, not many aggers,

[2:53:38] or someone will be trying to burn in the old apartment,

[2:53:41] or we'll be to row a car parked there.

[2:53:43] Somebody else is like, they're taking up more and one way

[2:53:46] so now a person can't burn in.

[2:53:48] Like I mean, we just, we're going to speak to the business.

[2:53:51] I think that's the thing.

[2:53:53] I think that's the thing.

[2:53:54] It's the CBS's property.

[2:53:57] I don't know, but I didn't have a kid at the time.

[2:53:59] It's 4-year-understander, and we can't move.

[2:54:02] There's a little bit of them.

[2:54:03] I mean, father's 4-year-understander.

[2:54:04] There's a lot of stuff from here.

[2:54:06] You can fit with them.

[2:54:07] Then you can have areas that don't have a map.

[2:54:10] A 40-year-understander.

[2:54:12] I don't know if you can fit with them.

[2:54:15] They're going very limited.

[2:54:17] Even though they're not legal parking spots.

[2:54:21] It's private coverage.

[2:54:22] Gotcha.

[2:54:22] This is the 4-year-understander.

[2:54:24] Okay.

[2:54:24] So it's up to CBS.

[2:54:25] It's definitely not good off.

[2:54:27] Like a certain width of Edward D.

[2:54:31] He works in Edward's former, and in fact,

[2:54:34] if one lady of heart is taking up their reduced

[2:54:37] that that will be too small, the same will that

[2:54:41] they don't have to do it, but if he's doing it by himself.

[2:54:44] I don't know if you make that.

[2:54:46] I'm not sure if you know what's going to happen.

[2:54:47] I've noticed every time you're on a foreign block there.

[2:54:50] Yeah, I'll tell you what.

[2:54:52] The other day, there was the other day.

[2:54:54] There was a big suburban, I was in my F-150, and I will tell you what, it was a tight squeeze.

[2:55:01] So I would say fire truck, I've seen that too. We're now double-parking.

[2:55:07] Can we take a look at the crosswalk there?

[2:55:10] Yeah, that intersection is already in and down the crosswalk.

[2:55:13] There's a lot of people in the training and there's a crosswalk, maybe we could go to that in detail.

[2:55:19] It's a real crosswalk.

[2:55:20] I think it's crosswalk.

[2:55:22] There's a lot of things for you.

[2:55:25] No doubt.

[2:55:25] But I guess if you guys can maybe, like I said, I think for a bit of a fact,

[2:55:29] it's like, we've whatever we call people.

[2:55:34] There's all ready, of course.

[2:55:35] It's a wish.

[2:55:35] It might be a crosswalk.

[2:55:37] So if I let you know, I'll get a plan.

[2:55:39] Perfect.

[2:55:40] If you see the guys going to learn a little too long.

[2:55:42] Like English remember three, I don't know, we'll see the answer.

[2:55:46] Oh yeah.

[2:55:46] You find their lock.

[2:55:48] You could.

[2:55:49] So would that school where?

[2:55:51] It's a bunch of shit.

[2:55:52] I'm not gonna do that.

[2:55:54] I'm not gonna do that.

[2:55:54] That's the following.

[2:55:55] One thing.

[2:55:56] Hang on.

[2:55:57] Well, my shy appendix.

[2:55:58] The last one.

[2:56:00] You could go for it.

[2:56:01] You can go for it.

[2:56:02] I was going back 10 years ago when I found a program.

[2:56:06] I bought one of that.

[2:56:06] It's my own.

[2:56:07] I got that sign.

[2:56:09] I used to have a sock.

[2:56:11] I saw it in my last block and no parking.

[2:56:16] You know, parking all the time.

[2:56:17] There's not even a hole there, no more.

[2:56:19] Because I was wearing one of my feet that's safe.

[2:56:22] I had to wait five, I had to wait five, I had to wait five.

[2:56:23] I had to wait five.

[2:56:24] Yeah.

[2:56:25] There's not even a hole there, no more.

[2:56:27] When they're like, first walkers.

[2:56:28] Thank you for doing that.

[2:56:29] Yes.

[2:56:30] There's one, the right me across the street.

[2:56:32] And like I was told, you can't walk.

[2:56:34] It's always moved.

[2:56:35] I was like, I think I'm like,

[2:56:36] I want to see what I'm doing.

[2:56:38] But yeah.

[2:56:39] I'm also hungry.

[2:56:39] But, I hear, you know, it's just, it's free of so good.

[2:56:44] And people slide on that now.

[2:56:45] The Baltimore has a full black face.

[2:56:47] Yes.

[2:56:48] My phone, my presentation is on the floor, right there.

[2:56:51] So, you know, you will follow up for a moment about the interview.

[2:56:55] No.

[2:56:56] I'm not going to go to my house.

[2:56:57] I'm cheating on my house.

[2:56:58] I'm cheating on my house.

[2:57:00] So, I'm cheating on my house.

[2:57:01] I'm not going to go to my house.

[2:57:03] I'm going to go to my house.

[2:57:05] I'm going to go to my house.

[2:57:06] I'm going to go to my house.

[2:57:09] Hold on.

[2:57:42] It starts on time, yes, it on mind's bone, right?

[2:57:45] That is a very heavy bone.

[2:57:47] But I've been really not going to that to that to do that.

[2:57:54] It's totally...

[2:57:55] But then it gets a little bit rude down the pot.

[2:57:57] Yeah, so it's a...

[2:57:58] The pause is thought I mean I've just heard for 15 years,

[2:58:02] so it would be more of a gravity here.

[2:58:04] And it will be no more than that.

[2:58:05] No, used to be just when they were dropping off or picking up, and then they would move, and then they would go park.

[2:58:12] It is within the last six to 12 months, it has gotten bad.

[2:58:16] And now I've noticed that they are, they're parking on the other side, so when you pull into CVS,

[2:58:21] there are bars on both sides for the laundromat and you're squeezing in between.

[2:58:26] So we're going to have to address that.

[2:58:30] And maybe we can add that intersection to a safety.

[2:59:06] And once you're there and you're doing it,

[2:59:09] you have to do it more commonly than you did before we get a press.

[2:59:12] But we'll be focused on seeing it.

[2:59:14] You can put your safety and partner.

[2:59:15] Yeah.

[2:59:15] And maybe if they were, you know,

[2:59:17] why did your company do that?

[2:59:18] Yeah.

[2:59:18] And you know, working there with the DMZ and that.

[2:59:21] And you can do that.

[2:59:23] 15 minutes.

[2:59:23] Once you're like, we'll donate a sign.

[2:59:26] Again, it's lifted in as well.

[2:59:28] Just for this.

[2:59:28] Yeah.

[2:59:28] I don't mean if everyone can,

[2:59:30] or you're, you know,

[2:59:31] you're all back to that apartment.

[2:59:32] and the very way you're over it is a drug show and you can get it to it all you have to try to mix it.

[2:59:41] You can never think about it about it.

[2:59:44] But when you'll come here and you'll tell a whole of others and people are sitting there and they'll allergic.

[2:59:49] Yes.

[2:59:50] Cause they want to turn into people.

[2:59:52] I think I think I'll tell you if a drug...

[2:59:54] But that's a limited edition and they rule out.

[2:59:57] That's the best thing to have to do with it.

[3:00:11] Is there any other public comment tonight?

[3:00:15] I will be exceptionally grateful to your all-tire and thank you for being here to make it great to introduce you to your research.

[3:00:22] So I would just say, to more you, to please focus on 200 walk-in walks per third.

[3:00:27] We have exceptional rates to speak.

[3:00:29] I'm talking about semi-sailing down 65 miles per hour.

[3:00:34] Good.

[3:00:34] I'm not exaggerating.

[3:00:35] I have video footage to show you exactly what I'm talking about.

[3:00:39] But we have ended breaking, take it a turn with maniacs.

[3:00:44] and there's a huge drug activity happening here.

[3:00:46] It's really just becoming a rough spot to be

[3:00:48] not the place we bought 12 years ago.

[3:00:51] And there are a lot of young families living in

[3:00:53] and it's really heartbreaking to think that's how to run.

[3:00:57] Thank you.

[3:00:58] Thank you for bringing that.

[3:00:59] What I've heard from you.

[3:01:00] Thank you.

[3:01:01] How does it end?

[3:01:02] Just one of the clarifies.

[3:01:04] So it sounds like the recent ordinance is going to be

[3:01:06] revised on someone.

[3:01:08] Yeah, we're still working on it.

[3:01:10] It should be weak.

[3:01:10] Spectacles, this will be discussed at the next meeting.

[3:01:12] And I'm only asking because as we

[3:01:14] I'll send everyone from vacation, I mean,

[3:01:15] I'll come home with a beach to be here for this.

[3:01:17] So like when you expect like a draft ordinance

[3:01:19] and the advance of next meeting or the public,

[3:01:21] they go a while.

[3:01:22] So the plan is that Joe's going to make the changes

[3:01:24] that we've discussed tonight and at that next meeting

[3:01:29] we'll have a revised ordinance to look at.

[3:01:32] And it would be possible that we could vote to advertise it

[3:01:38] at the next meeting.

[3:01:39] That would be great.

[3:01:41] Right, not to adopt it, but vote to advertise it.

[3:01:44] It's also possible we might not vote, you know, I can't really say how to make this go.

[3:01:50] That when the agenda is released, that the revised draft will be available, that's hard.

[3:01:54] It'll be part of the, if not part of the agenda, the draft ordinances are always posted on.

[3:02:03] Is it on the calendar announcement page or the news page?

[3:02:06] It's just the latest.

[3:02:07] Yes, the last time it will do it will be part of it somewhere and always have it in there

[3:02:12] It's one of the south up little dog groups still working on it. So wasn't at least

[3:02:16] We knew there wasn't a boat so right right in terms, but it will be posted but it was posted 24 hours before the meeting

[3:02:22] We will always do that. Yeah

[3:02:53] I'm sorry.

[3:02:53] I'm so sorry.

[3:02:56] I'm so sorry.

[3:02:56] I, I thought we were finished.

[3:02:57] I'm sorry, thank you, Stowe.

[3:02:59] I was

[3:03:17] so, I was so hard.

[3:03:27] I think your.

[3:03:32] You're here.

[3:03:32] Can I have a fight with you?

[3:03:33] I'm trying to run that.

[3:03:34] We have a whole sake.

[3:03:35] We have a whole plan.

[3:03:37] We have work through the beach.

[3:03:39] I like pictures.

[3:03:40] I like the tree.

[3:03:41] Straight on a shot.

[3:03:42] There were a couple.

[3:03:43] Did she have a couple?

[3:03:44] She don't touch that.

[3:03:55] Thank you for your comments and your concerns about safety. Is there any other public comment this evening?

[3:04:03] All right. Well then, thank you all for coming. We'll see you July 18th meeting adjourned.

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