[0:04] It's

[0:14] On audio record.

[0:16] We will be moving in into executive session to start,

[0:19] but for right now we are until the meeting is called

[0:21] to order, we are an open, open,

[0:24] Open and unmuted.

[0:25] Yes. Correct. So we don't need to push these buttons.

[0:29] They're always on correct. To talk.

[0:31] Yes, correct. Yes. Yeah.

[0:32] It's actually the little guy there.

[0:35] But these, if you push this it. Oh, them? These? Yeah.

[0:37] Oh, these are always on. Yeah. Sorry. They're

[0:39] Always on. Yeah.

[0:40] Excellent. Yep.

[0:44] And I believe we're still waiting for one other person

[0:46] before we can, who's

[0:50] Joining us on Zoom.

[0:51] Right. And we have Nicholas, we have Scott,

[0:53] John, are you hanging out with us later? Yeah.

[0:55] Yes. Zach, I'll be

[0:56] outside waiting for the executive session.

[0:59] Yeah. See you later. Goes, need to go out on the door.

[1:03] Was poster right front of you. Oh, sort

[1:07] Of.

[1:08] Sure. Sometimes we put them up, sometimes we forget.

[1:11] And then when somebody comes in and yell at them

[1:13] and say it's executive

[1:16] More fun without the budget.

[1:18] Oh no. Say yeah, I'm sure.

[1:22] School board. Yeah, there. Talk to him. See. Little upset.

[1:27] We'll get there. It's having a, Nicholas

[1:30] should start with six.

[1:32] He's having a tough stretch. Yes.

[1:36] Are you guys going right from this executive session

[1:39] to a regular meeting?

[1:42] Presumably? I think

[1:44] Maybe we probably take a five minute recess or something.

[1:46] Yeah, we can come Get you in between.

[1:48] Yeah. Excuse me. Give everybody a potty break

[1:52] and continue business.

[1:56] Excuse. No, I might need one.

[1:58] We're just waiting on Scott, is that correct? Correct.

[2:03] Okay. And Scott, is there any

[2:06] Sweet? Awesome.

[2:07] Thank you. Not a problem.

[2:09] Yeah, I'll let you know as soon as he gets on.

[2:11] You should be able to see it too. But I'll

[2:12] let you know when I'm amending him.

[2:14] Who's the guy in the suit? I don't even know

[2:18] You Suit tie.

[2:21] Wow. Look

[2:22] What they've done to me. Yeah,

[2:23] It's terrible. So

[2:26] Nicholas, was this the same computer that you were behind?

[2:29] Because this screen looks way smaller.

[2:33] It's looks different.

[2:35] No, it's the same one. It's just same in a different spot.

[2:38] Here. Hold on. What if we do this?

[2:41] Ah, That's the way to do it.

[2:46] Yeah. Me, he, me and him spent a lot

[2:48] of time together too and he doesn't even know it either.

[2:52] Doesn't even know it. That's,

[2:53] See past council meetings, Nicholas,

[2:55] which we all feel very sorry for him.

[2:57] I, yeah. I Boy, someone's got to do it

[3:00] Crying at three in the morning.

[3:03] You guys are melted tones. That put me back to sleep.

[3:07] We put the baby back to sleep though.

[3:09] That's the question. Absolutely.

[3:11] No, she has opinions

[3:13] Ever.

[3:14] There's a famous car talk episode where some guy called in

[3:16] and said, you're the, you're the show

[3:18] that calms my sheep down.

[3:21] Like he played it in the barn and car talk was what?

[3:23] Just got the sheep. Hey, that's fair. That was awesome.

[3:28] Yeah,

[3:35] so early learning, we always have a waiting room.

[3:38] We have been zoomed bombed many times,

[3:44] so we always do meeting a waiting room.

[3:46] We always admit folks sort of as they come

[3:49] and sometimes they pile up

[3:50] and it's hard to like,

[3:51] if you're also giving a report at the

[3:53] same time, see them piling up.

[3:54] But yeah, I do let them in when you can.

[3:58] And as you've seen in our other meetings,

[3:59] we do executive breakout rooms.

[4:02] So we'll create the breakout room shortly

[4:04] and invite Nicholas and Scott when he gets here.

[4:06] That's part I want see because that's

[4:08] where I'm less breakout rooms.

[4:10] Yep. We'll just do a manual assign of the writing

[4:13] Nicholas into the executive session.

[4:15] Yeah. And and Scott when he gets here.

[4:17] So, so, and then is everyone come in that, you know,

[4:20] everyone that comes in here, they have stripped down

[4:22] permissions now?

[4:23] Or is it like they,

[4:26] they would have to like

[4:26] request to share. They would've to request,

[4:28] They would've to request to share,

[4:29] but they can unmute themselves.

[4:30] Yeah. And they can turn their own video on and off.

[4:34] The chat is open,

[4:36] but what we advise folks is that it's

[4:38] for technical difficulties only the,

[4:40] the chat is not part of the recorded meeting.

[4:42] So like they can't submit their public comments by chat.

[4:46] I think people mostly know the drill now,

[4:48] but in the past there have been like long discursion

[4:51] and the chats between people and that's not right.

[4:54] We, we stop that. Okay.

[4:56] Just 'cause it's not open meeting law

[4:58] and also focus and things like that.

[5:02] All right. Live chatted on something, Keith, you

[5:04] Didn't bring, it's snowing the email

[5:05] have some time concerns.

[5:06] Should we move in and let Scott join us when he can?

[5:12] I think that's fine. I I did just text it,

[5:15] text him the Zooms login stuff.

[5:17] So hopefully he's, I can send him another text here.

[5:20] But yeah, we, we can get started.

[5:23] Okay. All right.

[5:25] So with that, it is currently 5:04 PM

[5:29] on Tuesday, September 22nd, 2026.

[5:33] I'll call this meeting of the regular berry city

[5:35] council meeting to order.

[5:37] We have some adjustments to the agenda.

[5:41] One is going to be that we're going to move

[5:44] resolution 2026 dash 14 from the consent agenda

[5:48] and we're going to place that on the agenda as item nine E.

[5:54] Are there any objections to that? Okay.

[6:07] And with that we'll look for a motion to approve the agenda.

[6:11] So moved second. Okay. Any discussion? Okay.

[6:15] All those in favor say aye.

[6:17] Aye. Opposed? Okay. Motion carries.

[6:22] Also want to acknowledge our new city manager,

[6:26] Patrick Cushing, thank you for being here this evening.

[6:29] Welcome aboard sir.

[6:30] Thank you. Look Forward to working with you.

[6:33] You Too. Do you have any comments for the public

[6:35] or any of us other than

[6:36] that you've been stalking us on YouTube? No,

[6:38] I mean it's main thing I've been stalking on YouTube.

[6:42] No, it's been a great, great first two days, the, the staff.

[6:46] Yeah, it's two days so we'll talk later after that.

[6:49] But staff has been incredibly helpful.

[6:52] Community has been very receptive.

[6:56] It's Barry's a lovely place

[6:58] and the drive isn't too bad, so we're getting there.

[7:02] But yeah, so far so good and I'm excited.

[7:06] All right, wonderful. So with

[7:08] that we have an executive executive section.

[7:11] Executive session scheduled for collective bargaining

[7:14] for IAFF.

[7:16] So I'm looking for foot motion for findings. I

[7:18] Move Second.

[7:19] Second. Okay. Any discussion?

[7:22] All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye.

[7:25] And that's going to include Nicholas and Scott.

[7:30] Cameron. And was there

[7:31] anyone else that we're including in that?

[7:33] I'm sorry? The city manager and the new manager.

[7:35] Patrick Cushing nor,

[7:37] And also Oh, okay.

[7:39] And the fire chief and Christina, our finance director.

[7:44] All right. Sorry. Any more discussion?

[7:47] All right, thank you for being patient with me.

[7:49] All those in favor say aye. Aye.

[7:51] Aye. Opposed? Okay, so now motion

[7:56] to enter executive session.

[7:57] So I move Second.

[7:59] Second. Okay. Any discussion? Okay.

[8:03] All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay.

[8:07] Without, we'll enter executive session,

[8:11] Signed manual so

[8:13] that we only take the people with us.

[8:16] Us we're gonna sign this NC system 'cause that's what, yep.

[8:19] We'll bring that thing the owl in

[8:23] and we'll bring Nick Hudson in.

[8:25] Then later we'll see when Scott arrives

[8:28] and we'll be able to do that.

[8:30] Everyone else will stay in the main session, open the rooms

[8:34] who was down here when it Yep.

[8:36] Under a move more, excuse me. And then that

[8:40] Room getting sick on us counselor

[8:42] As well.

[8:43] Yep. All my water room. Both places have to join these rec,

[56:55] Blah, blah, blah, Blah. All right. We should be good.

[56:57] Now I have a motion to exit, exit executive session.

[57:00] So moved second. Okay. Any discussion? Okay.

[57:04] All those in favor say aye. Aye. May Opposed? Okay.

[57:08] We will return to regular session.

[57:10] We are going to take a five minute recess

[57:13] and we will resume at 6:00 PM

[57:16] On,

[57:27] I'm gonna just, I'm gonna let Dave Delco in

[57:28] and just tell him we took a recess.

[57:30] Yeah. Did you, you approve the agenda? Yes.

[57:33] I think we are actually gonna need this

[57:34] executive session for legal.

[57:35] Yeah, if we can just update that.

[57:36] Yeah, we can do, yeah, it's as needed.

[57:38] So it's David, we are taking five minute recess

[57:41] before we start the main council

[57:42] meeting, just as a heads up.

[57:46] Okay.

[1:06:10] We're gonna come back from our recess.

[1:06:13] Thank you all for being here this evening.

[1:06:15] We've an executive session before this.

[1:06:20] We're going to open it up to visitors in communication.

[1:06:23] We're gonna, this an opportunity for anybody that wants

[1:06:25] to address a council about an item

[1:06:27] that is not on the agenda.

[1:06:30] Okay. Hearing and seeing none, we will move on

[1:06:33] to the consent

[1:06:34] agenda of, oh,

[1:06:39] Am I the only visitor in communication?

[1:06:41] Yes. Come on up front. I assume so many more.

[1:06:46] Sorry, Scotland on you.

[1:06:48] I said to Carol earlier, it's so nice

[1:06:49] to see you walk in these halls.

[1:06:51] It's really comforting. I didn't take her keys.

[1:06:53] My name is Shauna Trader.

[1:06:55] For the record, I am a East Berry resident

[1:06:58] and that makes me a very town voter.

[1:07:00] But I do a lot of work here in Berry City

[1:07:03] and to using my two minutes

[1:07:05] I'll, I'll have to rush a little bit.

[1:07:07] I'm here to introduce a project

[1:07:08] that I'm working on called Voices from a

[1:07:11] Vermont Sacrifice Zone.

[1:07:14] I've already done about a dozen hours of interviews with

[1:07:17] unhoused folks that live right here in Berry City, kind

[1:07:20] of all up and down the Main Street corridor

[1:07:23] and the bridges that lead off

[1:07:24] of the main street corridor, et cetera.

[1:07:27] Here to let you know that this work is underway.

[1:07:30] And I do have some future action plan action items

[1:07:35] that I'll need board collaboration with.

[1:07:37] For instance, I'd like to hold a community cookout,

[1:07:40] I'm gonna need a permit for that eventually.

[1:07:42] And I would like to do a public art project, river Street,

[1:07:47] the retaining wall that's down near the end.

[1:07:50] It's real dilapidated.

[1:07:51] I'm sure you've seen there's some naughty language on it.

[1:07:54] I would love to transform that space into a big public mural

[1:07:58] that kind of honors the complexity

[1:08:01] and the diversity that is our local unhoused folks images

[1:08:06] and words that aren't heard very often by our community

[1:08:09] because of these people being in vulnerable positions.

[1:08:13] None of those documents have been submitted.

[1:08:14] I'm just introducing it to the world

[1:08:16] and just kind of planting seeds that I'll be coming back.

[1:08:19] I'd like to get an item, I'd like

[1:08:21] to be on the docket at some point

[1:08:22] and I'll share some of the lessons

[1:08:24] and some of the stories that I've heard I think actually

[1:08:27] could be valuable for the things that we do here.

[1:08:31] Anything else that you wanted to add?

[1:08:33] Any questions? Council, wo

[1:08:36] Did you have you, I'm a liaison to the

[1:08:39] Unhoused Community committee.

[1:08:41] Would you be willing to come and talk to us?

[1:08:43] Yeah, absolutely. Of course. Councilor Gson, you

[1:08:46] Mentioned a cookout in public art.

[1:08:47] Do you have any other planned output?

[1:08:50] Just the kind of the public work that I'm doing here.

[1:08:54] We do have a Facebook group with the same name

[1:08:56] where I've invited people to engage

[1:08:58] and talk about this issue that we're facing here.

[1:09:02] So there's a public forum already established

[1:09:04] and then I'll be doing more work like this.

[1:09:06] And honestly the end stuff may not even be known yet.

[1:09:09] That project is finished in the spring of next year.

[1:09:13] There will, there will be a popup event at the State House

[1:09:16] for my work and the work of my cohort.

[1:09:18] I'm not alone, but I'm the only one working in central

[1:09:21] Vermont doing any project.

[1:09:23] And then I'd like to get it in the Alrich.

[1:09:25] So hopefully all the work will be available.

[1:09:27] Can you just tell us again the name of the project

[1:09:29] so people want if to look it up they can go.

[1:09:32] Yes. It's Voices from a Vermont Sacrifice, voices

[1:09:37] from a Vermont sacrifice zone.

[1:09:41] And you can email voices from vermont@gmail.com if you

[1:09:46] wanna connect with me.

[1:09:48] This is a project I'm doing in collaboration

[1:09:50] with Vermont Folk Life.

[1:09:51] So I do have a fiscal agent.

[1:09:53] I I can't accept tax deductible donations.

[1:09:55] Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to say that.

[1:10:00] And we would love it because the cookout

[1:10:02] and all that stuff, I do have a small grant already from

[1:10:04] NOFA for the cookout, but you know the cost

[1:10:06] of food these days, so it's not gonna cover it all.

[1:10:09] I'd love to have the community, it's not just

[1:10:11] for the unhoused folks, the cookout, it's for everyone.

[1:10:14] It's an event to try to bring housed

[1:10:16] and unhoused folks in the same space so

[1:10:18] that we can build community.

[1:10:20] Appreciate that. Councilor Russon, I would just

[1:10:22] Add that the city has some, some microgrants available

[1:10:24] that would help cover food for the cookout

[1:10:27] and you should look to the recreation director

[1:10:29] For information to those. Michelle?

[1:10:31] Michelle, My old neighbor.

[1:10:34] Great. Any other questions for Shauna? Wonderful.

[1:10:37] Thank you all so much. Thank you for coming

[1:10:38] and showing, telling us about that opportunity. Thanks so

[1:10:41] Much folks. Sean. All

[1:10:42] Right.

[1:10:43] Anyone else that wants to address the council about an item

[1:10:45] that is not on the agenda?

[1:10:47] Right. Hearing

[1:10:49] and seeing none, we move on to the consent agenda.

[1:10:53] We are adding an item five E would be approval

[1:10:57] of the modification of the easement, extension

[1:10:59] of the real estate option for Steven's branch apartments

[1:11:04] that was emailed to you late this evening.

[1:11:08] So you'll also find that in your email.

[1:11:11] So we're going to have approval of the minutes

[1:11:13] of the regular meeting of September 1st, 2026,

[1:11:18] the special meeting of 9 9 20 26, the special meeting

[1:11:22] of 9 16 20 26.

[1:11:25] We're also going to approve the resolution 2026 dash 14

[1:11:30] resolution relating to the financing

[1:11:32] of the water treatment facility. Headworks project.

[1:11:35] Oh point of order. We moved that. Sorry, we

[1:11:37] Moved that.

[1:11:38] Oh yeah, sorry. We did

[1:11:41] two nine E on the new business.

[1:11:45] I apologize. Thank you. Yep.

[1:11:48] Appreciate your patience with me this evening.

[1:11:51] I'm slightly nervous running the meeting.

[1:11:53] You're doing a great job, believe it or not.

[1:11:54] Just keep going. All right, so clerk's offices

[1:11:59] and licenses.

[1:12:01] Licenses and permits and there are none. Wonderful.

[1:12:04] And any contracts for the in, for the manager to approve

[1:12:09] Are, are those the contracts or couple

[1:12:11] Things, but they're going to be taken under

[1:12:15] Tom Baker's presentation, right?

[1:12:17] The work contracts? Yeah,

[1:12:19] They're, yep.

[1:12:20] They're gonna be B and C of

[1:12:22] New business.

[1:12:23] New business, yep. Okay, wonderful.

[1:12:26] So I'll need a motion to approve.

[1:12:28] I move second. Any discussion Councillor Soen.

[1:12:32] I have just one small correction, Cheryl, on the first,

[1:12:38] the September 1st minutes, the, it says the next meeting,

[1:12:42] next regular meeting is scheduled for September 2nd.

[1:12:45] Yeah, somebody already brought

[1:12:46] That up. I've

[1:12:46] Just ed the other two.

[1:12:48] I think it was the other two, but I just saw that

[1:12:50] and I was like, we didn't have two nights in a row, did we?

[1:12:52] And I had to look back at my calendar to make sure,

[1:12:54] but that is the only thing that I had. Thank you.

[1:12:57] All right, so motion. We've got a motion and a second.

[1:13:01] We've had discussion. Oh wait,

[1:13:02] Sorry.

[1:13:03] Yes ma'am. Could someone Explain,

[1:13:04] could you explain the easement that we're approving

[1:13:08] because we just received it.

[1:13:09] This, these

[1:13:11] Are both extensions of documents that already exist.

[1:13:13] Okay. And were approved by the council

[1:13:16] many, many months ago.

[1:13:17] Okay. It's associated with the, the easements around the

[1:13:22] semi seminary street housing project,

[1:13:26] the Stevens Branch apartments,

[1:13:28] and also the option for the sale to down street.

[1:13:32] We just need a little more time,

[1:13:34] unfortunately I just got them from the attorney

[1:13:37] two hours ago and I forwarded them to you

[1:13:40] with the language from the attorney.

[1:13:42] So an explanation, but it's just extensions

[1:13:44] of documents that already exist.

[1:13:46] Okay, thank you. Here we here.

[1:13:49] Anything else? All right,

[1:13:52] so all those in favor say aye a Aye.

[1:13:55] The opposed. Okay, that passes and we'll move on.

[1:14:00] So we're gonna approve the city warrants.

[1:14:03] We're gonna approve the week of 9 23 20 26.

[1:14:07] Councillor Swen, do you need any of these pulled out

[1:14:09] or can we approve them all together?

[1:14:11] I have to abstain from the

[1:14:15] 9 8 9 9.

[1:14:20] All right. But if, if you need me

[1:14:22] to abstain from all of them, it's fine.

[1:14:23] Sure, that works too. So we are going to approve all

[1:14:27] of the warrants for week of 9 23 ratify Week nine nine

[1:14:32] and ratify week nine 16.

[1:14:35] Do you have a motion? So moved. Second. Second. All right.

[1:14:38] Any discussion? Okay, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

[1:14:42] Opposed? Sustain abstention. Noted.

[1:14:46] Okay, clerk's report. Madam Clerk.

[1:14:49] Okay. So the clerk's office has just finished up data

[1:14:53] entering and filing for the third

[1:14:57] Barry Unified Union School District budget Revote.

[1:15:00] And at this time we do not have a date set

[1:15:02] for the next vote.

[1:15:04] We'll keep you updated as we get the information.

[1:15:08] With that being said, we still have two

[1:15:13] definite elections on the horizon.

[1:15:16] The Central Vermont Career Center bond vote

[1:15:19] and the midterm general election, both are scheduled

[1:15:23] for Tuesday, November 3rd.

[1:15:25] The state of Vermont has been mailing out,

[1:15:28] starting yesterday, the 21st.

[1:15:30] The bail ballots to all registered voters

[1:15:34] and they're doing it in a rolling town by town basis

[1:15:38] with a deadline of October 1st

[1:15:40] to have all the ballots in the mail.

[1:15:43] And please allow at least seven to 10 business days

[1:15:47] for your ballot to arrive in the mail

[1:15:49] before you contact our office stating you have not

[1:15:52] yet received it.

[1:15:54] We do have some ballots in our office for those who

[1:15:58] will sign an affidavit stating they have

[1:16:01] not yet received it.

[1:16:02] But please allow the postal service to get,

[1:16:06] get it into your, your mailbox.

[1:16:09] The career center ballots are not being mailed

[1:16:12] to all registered voters.

[1:16:13] They are being mailed to those who have signed up

[1:16:16] for absentee ballots as of today

[1:16:21] for the calendar year of 2026.

[1:16:24] If you would like the career center ballot mailed to you,

[1:16:27] please go log into your online account

[1:16:32] or call the clerk's office

[1:16:33] and we can certainly get you signed up for ballots

[1:16:35] for the remainder of the year.

[1:16:37] So that would include the career center

[1:16:41] and possibly the Barry Unified Union School District

[1:16:44] fourth budget vote.

[1:16:49] And my last point, I'd like

[1:16:50] to make the clerk's offices also finish collecting the first

[1:16:53] quarter property taxes with the postmark policy in place.

[1:16:58] I think things went well for the, for the most part,

[1:17:01] we did notice a lot more foot traffic coming in to ensure

[1:17:05] that they're making the deadline

[1:17:07] and the water department is currently in their collection

[1:17:10] and they have noticed a lot of foot traffic seeing people

[1:17:14] that normally just mail them in.

[1:17:16] They, they're seeing faces now.

[1:17:19] So just to, I think it's going well and people understand.

[1:17:22] Wonderful. Any questions for the clerk?

[1:17:27] All right, wonderful. Thank you

[1:17:28] for all your service to the community.

[1:17:31] We will Any liquor or cannabis?

[1:17:34] Yes, I did send, send out today. It was kind of late.

[1:17:36] I think it was around four o'clock. Tallies.

[1:17:39] Their first and third.

[1:17:41] Okay. So we will open the liquor control board.

[1:17:47] Do we have a motion to approve the liquor license?

[1:17:50] I moved second. Any discussion? Okay.

[1:17:55] With a new discussion? All those in favor say aye. Aye.

[1:18:00] Any opposed? Okay. That passes and that's it. Correct. Okay.

[1:18:05] So we will close the liquor board.

[1:18:10] Mr. Manager, welcome aboard. Thank you.

[1:18:14] Thanks for being here. Yeah.

[1:18:18] So again, to introduce myself to the, the, the audience

[1:18:20] and the public that may not have heard it earlier.

[1:18:23] I am Patrick Cushing.

[1:18:24] I'm the new city manager

[1:18:28] and it's been great so far.

[1:18:30] Again, very, Barry's been very, very receptive.

[1:18:34] The staff, the community, it's been, it's been really great.

[1:18:38] We've had two beautiful days that I've been here

[1:18:40] and walking around and, you know, meeting people.

[1:18:43] But it, I'm very impressed so far

[1:18:47] by the quality of your staff.

[1:18:50] I don't have much on the interim C manager's report

[1:18:53] or city manager's report. Thank you. Yeah,

[1:18:55] You're not the interim. You are our city manager.

[1:18:57] My contract says interim, however, that's

[1:19:01] because of semantics, but so far don't have much.

[1:19:05] 'cause again, I've been here, this is my second day

[1:19:07] and it's been definitely hit the ground running a lot

[1:19:10] of meeting with the department heads, got some tours around.

[1:19:14] Tom and I went around this morning, saw the odd

[1:19:16] and the BOR trying to learn your lang your lingo.

[1:19:22] We'll we're gonna talk more about those later on,

[1:19:24] so we're not gonna cover 'em now.

[1:19:26] And met some of the other people

[1:19:31] that are contractors or attorneys, different items.

[1:19:34] And so it's just been nothing major to report in this.

[1:19:39] We'll cover again, things in later session

[1:19:41] and again executive session.

[1:19:44] But it's been going great so far.

[1:19:46] So again, very appreciative to the people and the board.

[1:19:48] The council here and, and the staff. They've been great.

[1:19:53] They all made me breakfast this morning.

[1:19:54] Oh, I brought them donuts.

[1:19:58] We, so it was kind of like, oh, I sold my breakfast.

[1:20:01] Ben brought you breakfast and nothing. But we sold ours. No,

[1:20:06] No.

[1:20:07] I'm not sure if you'll know this,

[1:20:10] but do you know when Camp Street's getting paved?

[1:20:12] No. Okay. I will find out for you.

[1:20:15] That'd be great. That'd

[1:20:16] Be good.

[1:20:17] You want me? I can make up a day.

[1:20:18] You can just make something up for Thank you. No

[1:20:23] Problem.

[1:20:24] Does anyone else have

[1:20:24] questions for me that I can bring back? I think

[1:20:25] In general, the biggest question is regarding paving.

[1:20:29] When things like Berlin Street is gonna get reopened,

[1:20:32] Paving schedule, that It might be nice

[1:20:37] to just have a future paving projects,

[1:20:40] city works projects, big old update. Yeah.

[1:20:42] Okay. If we could have Brian Baker come in

[1:20:44] and kind of give us an overview

[1:20:46] and let everybody know kind of what's going on now

[1:20:49] and what the pro what the plan's going to be going forward.

[1:20:52] I know the community would be appreciative of that.

[1:20:54] Sure. Well, for Camp Street, it's, there's a,

[1:20:57] the first coat and I think people

[1:20:59] think that's the last coat.

[1:21:00] And so it's a bit confusing

[1:21:02] because it's not really, really a great, you know,

[1:21:05] the manhole covers are sticking way up

[1:21:07] and it's a little rough in some parts.

[1:21:09] Oh yeah. And so if we could let people know when it's gonna

[1:21:12] happen, then I think then they'd be like, oh,

[1:21:13] that's not the fi finished product.

[1:21:15] Yeah. I think they think that's what it is right now, so,

[1:21:17] Okay.

[1:21:18] No, thank you for the, the feedback there.

[1:21:20] Anyone else? All right, we will move on to new biz,

[1:21:25] Actually.

[1:21:26] Sorry. We will at some point, the mayor has asked me

[1:21:28] to do a community meet and greet.

[1:21:31] So I will be doing one, like I have to figure out where,

[1:21:34] but I'll be doing one in the evening

[1:21:35] and then I'll be one doing one on a Saturday or Sunday.

[1:21:38] 'cause I know people have different schedules.

[1:21:40] The one Saturday and Sunday my family will likely be at.

[1:21:44] So if you want to yell at me,

[1:21:45] can you yell at me at the evening one?

[1:21:49] You think I'm pretty cool? Maybe,

[1:21:52] but, so I'll, I'll make public

[1:21:54] when we are gonna have those

[1:21:55] events and where they'll be located.

[1:21:56] But they are, they'll be in the next week or so.

[1:21:59] Awesome. Look forward to attending both of those. Good.

[1:22:04] All right. So new business item A under new business granted

[1:22:08] C Housing Inc.

[1:22:10] DBA Lincoln House request of for approval

[1:22:13] of loan forgiveness for deferred loan.

[1:22:20] Good Evening counselors.

[1:22:22] Thank you for entertaining this discussion.

[1:22:25] And potential motion.

[1:22:29] I'll try to condense what I wrote in a very lengthy

[1:22:31] and detailed report.

[1:22:34] This is a greater than 30-year-old loan for housing.

[1:22:40] And the reporting requirements are literally just that

[1:22:45] this company sends us their audit and we check a box

[1:22:49] and we move on and we do it every year.

[1:22:53] I'd like to introduce Sarah Rowan and Norm Ley.

[1:22:59] Sarah is, I

[1:23:00] Am the executive nurse administrator as my official title,

[1:23:03] but I am the director of Lincoln House.

[1:23:06] I'm on the board of directors.

[1:23:09] And so, like I said, this becomes a paperwork exercise

[1:23:12] for something that the city did 30 years ago under a grant.

[1:23:17] The grant became a deferred loan.

[1:23:18] We have four others

[1:23:21] and the state is trying to very slowly get rid

[1:23:23] of these, close these down.

[1:23:25] So we don't need these anymore

[1:23:27] because Lincoln House is not going to change

[1:23:30] what it is that they do.

[1:23:32] The point is, grants like this are to ensure

[1:23:36] that the money that was loaned for the project, the project

[1:23:40] continues and clearly Lincoln House has proven

[1:23:43] that they are continuing to operate Lincoln House as a,

[1:23:47] excuse me, a rest home.

[1:23:50] So we started the process two, almost two years ago of how

[1:23:55] to figure out how to get out of this.

[1:23:57] And what we do is you vote tonight,

[1:24:01] hopefully in the affirmative to start the process that we

[1:24:06] close the closure agreement.

[1:24:08] I work with the city attorneys

[1:24:10] and we get our paperwork and we close the loan.

[1:24:15] So that was really quick. Hopefully you read your memos.

[1:24:20] Any questions for Norm or Sarah or myself?

[1:24:25] Council there. Dustin,

[1:24:26] I just wanna clarify for anyone listening along at home

[1:24:29] and thinking the city is quote unquote giving away $600,000,

[1:24:33] that that is not the case.

[1:24:34] My understanding is this is a grant the city applied for,

[1:24:37] for the benefit of Lincoln House.

[1:24:40] And the money came through our hands

[1:24:41] but did not originate with the city.

[1:24:43] And that now we're sort of just closed

[1:24:45] putting a bow on the whole thing.

[1:24:46] That is correct. Thank you. Yes.

[1:24:48] Are they at capacity in Lincoln House

[1:24:51] or do you have vacancy? We

[1:24:52] Have a few vacancies, but that was related

[1:24:54] to people passing over the last,

[1:24:56] The bottom line, it's nonprofit.

[1:24:57] Correct.

[1:24:59] Okay. Anyone else?

[1:25:03] Councillor Swalley?

[1:25:05] I don't, I, I think this is, I mean I'm perfectly happy

[1:25:08] to do this and I think Lincoln House is a great addition

[1:25:10] to the community and so I appreciate that it's there

[1:25:12] for people who wanna stay in Berry City.

[1:25:15] I love seeing people walking

[1:25:17] and now you have even more sidewalk to walk on

[1:25:18] because we just added a new sidewalk.

[1:25:21] But yeah, I drive by there every single day

[1:25:24] and it's great having it as part of our neighborhood.

[1:25:27] I think with Councilor Guston's comment,

[1:25:29] really making sure that the community is clear

[1:25:31] that this is not $600,000

[1:25:33] that's coming out of Barry City's pocket.

[1:25:35] But this is a grant that essentially is being forgiven.

[1:25:40] Yeah. It's a typical pass through grant that the city does

[1:25:43] with all these other F folks and entities.

[1:25:45] And this was a pass through.

[1:25:46] Wonderful. And I just want

[1:25:48] to make sure that we're all clear.

[1:25:50] 'cause we don't want that misconception that this, you know,

[1:25:53] the city's giving away $600,000.

[1:25:56] So with that, I'm looking for a motion.

[1:25:59] So moved Second. Okay.

[1:26:01] Any discussion? Okay.

[1:26:04] So all is in favor of approving the motion as presented.

[1:26:07] Please say aye. Aye. Aye. The opposed approved.

[1:26:12] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:26:21] All right. Next up Mr. Baker,

[1:26:23] update on the Civic Center Auditorium renovation project.

[1:26:28] Mr. Baker, welcome this evening, sir

[1:26:32] Janet, welcome again.

[1:26:36] Alright, where do we start?

[1:26:41] We'll start with the MERP grants that you have the contracts

[1:26:45] for with Janet's help.

[1:26:49] We worked on this last week, so we need

[1:26:53] to get the contracts in place

[1:26:55] before the end of the month to secure the money.

[1:27:00] And we have to complete this

[1:27:07] city hall.

[1:27:07] Thank you. That city hall work before the end of the year.

[1:27:14] The auditorium work will then be able to be pushed off on

[1:27:18] and be done with the specifics, the

[1:27:21] congressional spending work.

[1:27:25] So all that work will be done at one time.

[1:27:28] But with these grant, these contracts signed

[1:27:33] where the funding is all secured

[1:27:36] For the merp.

[1:27:37] Okay. The congressional grant, we have until 29.

[1:27:42] That one is not, there's no danger on that.

[1:27:44] Is the USDA signed off yet?

[1:27:47] USD we, we have been

[1:27:50] tied up getting the contracts this last week.

[1:27:53] We need to get them, I believe, three answers

[1:27:57] and most of that's just wording changes.

[1:28:01] So we'll get that to 'em probably this week, hopefully.

[1:28:05] And then we wait for their, their approval.

[1:28:08] So now we're at 10 weeks basically Correct.

[1:28:13] Since we, we, we originally sent it

[1:28:16] to 'em on the 28th of June.

[1:28:18] This is Andrea 30 days to respond

[1:28:23] and they let use it as, or that they're down to.

[1:28:28] Well again, I mean if we can make sure we have the grants.

[1:28:33] I guess that's on our side there.

[1:28:35] But yeah, we need that first. Agreed.

[1:28:40] Yeah. Went through two government shutdowns. Yeah.

[1:28:43] So everything came to screeching.

[1:28:46] Oh it's just, I mean

[1:28:47] that's our most important revenue place to God and the BOR.

[1:28:52] But it is what it is, right. What it is.

[1:28:57] So the city hall work came in at

[1:29:01] 3013 337.

[1:29:06] The grant, the Merck grant for that

[1:29:08] for this portion is 238,182,

[1:29:14] leaving 75,155

[1:29:18] to be covered from the $80,000 of fund balance

[1:29:22] that you approved on June 6th or June 2nd.

[1:29:26] Excuse me. That work is the

[1:29:31] insulating of the attic.

[1:29:33] The sash replacements on the, basically the south side

[1:29:36] of the building and weather stripping of the doors

[1:29:39] and ceiling of the, there is a six week lead

[1:29:44] time for the, for the window sash units.

[1:29:50] And this, the whole thing is to be completed

[1:29:53] by December 18th.

[1:29:56] Give us a two weeks to make sure all the

[1:30:00] T's are crossed and the i's are dotted.

[1:30:03] You said this needs to be completed

[1:30:04] by the end of December, correct?

[1:30:05] Yes. Substantially complete by 1218.

[1:30:09] Thoroughly complete by 1231

[1:30:14] Council Gson,

[1:30:15] And maybe I'm jumping ahead and apologies if so,

[1:30:17] but Merp work, MERP work is underway

[1:30:22] and you've given us the dates on that.

[1:30:24] The CDS, the ongoing CDS work you'll pick up again in the

[1:30:28] spring, presuming USDA gets it this winter.

[1:30:30] So with that in mind,

[1:30:32] are we looking at more auditorium

[1:30:34] closures at some point in the spring?

[1:30:37] Yes, we will. But this year we blocked it

[1:30:42] off in anticipation.

[1:30:44] Now we're gonna have a set schedule.

[1:30:46] So it'll be from this date to this date.

[1:30:50] And do you have a sense of like

[1:30:52] six weeks, eight weeks, 10,

[1:30:55] The last schedule I saw was the

[1:30:58] 90 day construction period.

[1:31:03] Based on the amount of work they're gonna be doing,

[1:31:05] there's gonna be, yeah.

[1:31:07] A lot of people working at this Swiss falling

[1:31:11] That's on paper, Remember?

[1:31:12] Yeah. I'll be able to hear it from my house. So I'll know.

[1:31:18] Does this mean that the auditorium is opening back up?

[1:31:22] Yes, as of

[1:31:24] October 5th.

[1:31:25] Okay. Tell Michelle,

[1:31:30] Michelle is on vacation this week.

[1:31:32] I've, we've had discussions last week.

[1:31:35] Next week she's gonna start reaching out to some of these

[1:31:38] renters that we pushed back, pushed off

[1:31:41] to give them the first shot at the times.

[1:31:46] So we'll be open back up for business on the fifth.

[1:31:50] And that will be for the entirety

[1:31:51] of the basketball season.

[1:31:53] Be from October 5th to probably April 1st. Okay.

[1:31:58] Give as, as soon as the trappers

[1:32:01] Yep.

[1:32:02] Done will be switching back into Con construction.

[1:32:05] Okay. And then based on that timeframe, we should be done

[1:32:09] by August?

[1:32:11] Yeah. Yeah. Ish Mid mid, mid to early August. Okay.

[1:32:16] Again, depending on

[1:32:18] Sure. The unknowns,

[1:32:20] The plan is to start ordering parts in like

[1:32:26] February or March to make sure they're here for April.

[1:32:30] May of April. So we should not have any delays on waiting

[1:32:33] for equipment to Right.

[1:32:36] Parts show up. And

[1:32:38] I know we had talked previously about where we're going

[1:32:40] to store that material potentially

[1:32:43] and not wanting to store it over at the garage.

[1:32:47] 'cause things potentially could not be there when

[1:32:49] They're not.

[1:32:50] That's why we're gonna order it in February and March

[1:32:55] and then we'll just have it delivered right to the site.

[1:32:57] Okay. Yeah, because I believe we were talking the,

[1:32:59] the boilers will have like a six week lead time.

[1:33:02] So some of the MA bigger items have significant lead times

[1:33:05] that they won't, when we're ordering in February,

[1:33:07] they're not gonna be there.

[1:33:08] Right. Be by the time they're gonna be needed.

[1:33:11] Sure. But does the price get locked in now

[1:33:13] or We gotta, that'll depend when we get the, get the bids,

[1:33:17] we can place the orders

[1:33:18] and there has been work going on just so the public knows

[1:33:21] that we have been doing things in there.

[1:33:23] That doesn't take the USDA approval, correct?

[1:33:26] Well I, to a certain extent, I guess I'm trying to,

[1:33:29] well we've, we've had the building closed for

[1:33:33] six months now, which we haven't done anything anticipating.

[1:33:36] We were able to talked

[1:33:40] with New England Air last week about the possibility of

[1:33:45] getting that second boiler repaired.

[1:33:48] So right now there's, there's,

[1:33:49] there's two boiler boilers in there

[1:33:51] and this, we met, Tom was explaining to me earlier,

[1:33:53] there's two boilers feeding that building

[1:33:56] to do the heat right's.

[1:33:57] Heat the heat. Currently only one of them is functional,

[1:34:00] which was, it's been like that for a few years

[1:34:02] At least. At least three.

[1:34:04] And it's been kind of being used as a

[1:34:06] That when I got here. So

[1:34:07] Yeah, it's being used as a little parts

[1:34:09] 'cause they're, they're the same so.

[1:34:10] Right, right. Right. You said it's great when something

[1:34:13] breaks, we can switch it over.

[1:34:15] The issue is you have no redundancy.

[1:34:19] So if, if that boiler goes out

[1:34:21] and there's, you know, we have to order PA piece

[1:34:23] and there's a lead time of a week

[1:34:24] or so on that, that building would have to be

[1:34:27] basically drained all liquids.

[1:34:29] 'cause they, otherwise they'll freeze up

[1:34:30] if it's in the winter.

[1:34:31] Temporary heat or temporary heat

[1:34:33] units or bring in temporary,

[1:34:34] I guess what I meant, was there any basic construction

[1:34:37] that could be still done in the meantime without

[1:34:40] the main contract?

[1:34:42] I, I mean I don't know the whole scope

[1:34:43] of everything when I window insulation, insulation USDA

[1:34:49] until they approve it.

[1:34:51] Nothing. Nothing.

[1:34:52] 'cause we run the risk of losing all the funds. Oh, I hear.

[1:34:55] Yeah. Okay. So if we, when we get approval

[1:35:01] we could start as soon as we want as long

[1:35:05] as it doesn't affect the building.

[1:35:07] We're looking about four weeks at at

[1:35:09] the, at the most to even.

[1:35:11] Yeah. So they're gonna get me a price on getting that,

[1:35:16] try to get that second boiler up and running.

[1:35:20] 'cause we're dancing with the devil. That'd be, yeah. Yeah.

[1:35:25] Hmm. So provided that this gets, you know,

[1:35:27] say we get approval from USDA, I know we're trying

[1:35:30] to push the project out until next summer, next spring,

[1:35:34] we'll say are there parts of the project

[1:35:36] that a few SDA approves that we could,

[1:35:39] like Councilor Ruthie is saying

[1:35:41] do in the meantime while we still have the building

[1:35:43] operational So we could potentially cut down? We could,

[1:35:46] We could.

[1:35:47] But the longer we extend the construction period,

[1:35:51] the longer we have to pay the clerk of the works

[1:35:54] that is required by the USDA.

[1:35:56] Right. So to keep the money, keep

[1:36:01] that construction period short.

[1:36:02] Yep. Sure. They charge us every hour they're here.

[1:36:06] All the mileage it takes to get here.

[1:36:08] And if we're, we can do some work like the light fixtures,

[1:36:12] we could change the light fixtures.

[1:36:14] Right. That's very non-intrusive,

[1:36:18] but it's paid for by the congressional spending.

[1:36:22] The clerk of the works has to be here

[1:36:23] so it's gonna cost us extra super and Sure.

[1:36:28] Construction co. I understand

[1:36:29] That makes sense to just do it at one one point

[1:36:32] of time instead of over different periods of time

[1:36:35] and then having it cost more

[1:36:36] for the clerk of the works to come in. Yeah. It's just,

[1:36:39] Hey, keep it as short as possible.

[1:36:42] Yep. Just being a better steward of the money.

[1:36:44] Appreciate that. Absolutely.

[1:36:46] And just To remind you guys on what they're kind

[1:36:48] of focusing on, it's a lot of, it's, it's efficiency,

[1:36:51] it's heat, so they're doing heating, cooling,

[1:36:53] some a DA bathrooms, a fuse box upgrades.

[1:36:57] There's gonna be a lot of upgrades to it that you,

[1:37:01] besides the additions of the bathrooms,

[1:37:03] that it'll look similar,

[1:37:06] but it's gonna be functioning at a much higher efficiency

[1:37:08] level and, and hopefully not sweating everyone out when you

[1:37:11] got, you know, 1800 people in there for basketball finals.

[1:37:14] And so,

[1:37:16] So I have a question about when we discussed this,

[1:37:19] we cut out the locker rooms.

[1:37:22] Yes. And you said you were going to do a little asking

[1:37:25] around to see if we could raise money

[1:37:27] to get the locker rooms added back in.

[1:37:28] Because I've had conversations with people who say that

[1:37:31] that was actually really a crucial part of the project

[1:37:35] to get more of the VPA events.

[1:37:37] Right. So how, how can we all work together to try

[1:37:41] to maybe add that back into the project

[1:37:42] so it can be done at the same time?

[1:37:46] You know, we'd have to do fundraising, whether it be

[1:37:50] 50 50 raffles

[1:37:52] or you know, going out to merchants and asking for money.

[1:37:56] It's, it's a big item. Yeah. It's, it's a,

[1:37:58] They had a $700,000 price tag.

[1:38:01] Right. But I, but when, when you look at the reason,

[1:38:05] the way that I've understood this is part of the reason

[1:38:08] for the project was to do those locker rooms so

[1:38:11] that we could get more BPA events.

[1:38:13] That's the way that it's been explained to me.

[1:38:15] And so for us to just strip it out isn't

[1:38:18] necessarily in our best interest.

[1:38:19] And I understand we have

[1:38:21] to make decisions, we have to make choices.

[1:38:23] That's why I'm saying how can we

[1:38:25] potentially raise some money to try to include that as part

[1:38:29] of the project if we're already

[1:38:30] gonna shut the building down.

[1:38:30] If we're already going to

[1:38:33] I So I'm just, I'm just putting it out there

[1:38:36] to see if there's a way that we can try to do something

[1:38:41] Significant number.

[1:38:42] Yeah. It is the plan currently

[1:38:47] with the USDA include the locker rooms? No.

[1:38:50] 'cause we stripped so We cut

[1:38:52] because of budgetary considerations. Yes,

[1:38:55] Totally understand That.

[1:38:56] That there's a section with a big number

[1:39:01] that if we decide to do it later can be closed off

[1:39:06] and done while the rest of the building is still open.

[1:39:10] Got it. We can do a separate project with,

[1:39:12] with just the locker rooms closed off

[1:39:14] because they can come in the back doors.

[1:39:16] We can keep the, the gym

[1:39:18] and the exhibition hall in the front of the house all open

[1:39:24] and we can do that at a later date. So it's

[1:39:28] Still very much got to be a future project.

[1:39:30] 'cause no one wants to start at the starting line again.

[1:39:33] Even if we have an infusion of cash that could,

[1:39:35] We have, we still have the drawings Yeah.

[1:39:38] Drawing. So we do have and an estimate.

[1:39:41] So we have a starting point

[1:39:43] and right now it's just getting the funding

[1:39:47] and then try to get back, get back to

[1:39:51] fitting it into the schedule.

[1:39:55] My recommendation is, it'd be nice if we could do it all at

[1:39:58] the same time, but then it may look at

[1:40:02] starting the approval process

[1:40:04] because you're adding to the project.

[1:40:06] Right. So

[1:40:09] Maybe we just need to raise it separately and do it

[1:40:12] Right Separately.

[1:40:13] Council Bergstrom,

[1:40:16] My my biggest concern is the, the boiler situation,

[1:40:21] the one that's sitting, if you walk into the room

[1:40:24] and you're standing on the back of them, the ones

[1:40:26] to the left, one that's been stripped out is, is no good.

[1:40:30] There's nothing left to that thing that we could even use.

[1:40:33] And the one that's that's running

[1:40:36] is running on three broken legs.

[1:40:39] The, my understanding is it the, the one that is down

[1:40:44] had a leak in the water jacket. From my understanding,

[1:40:48] I think the fins are all blown in it.

[1:40:50] In the one that stripped out. Yeah.

[1:40:52] I don't, they they took the burner motor off of

[1:40:55] that one last, last winter.

[1:40:56] And that's the only part that's really missing right now.

[1:40:59] There's, like I said, no, only air's gonna get me a price

[1:41:03] to see about if we can fix it.

[1:41:06] I don't know if, if you're saying the,

[1:41:09] the fins are blown out

[1:41:10] and you've got more information than I do.

[1:41:13] I think that's what, because you were there, Chris, the,

[1:41:15] the guy that works on it said it was that one was dead shot.

[1:41:19] I don't know if we, what we have left in a

[1:41:22] capital improvement plan

[1:41:24] Cap, the civic center improvement fund, we set aside

[1:41:28] the whole $266,000 for this project.

[1:41:33] I don't, I'm not talking about the civics,

[1:41:35] the civic center, the capital.

[1:41:36] I'm talking about c the city's capital improvement plan.

[1:41:41] You lose that boiler, you're done.

[1:41:43] There's gonna be nothing in there.

[1:41:46] And I think the, you know, maybe once you get settled in,

[1:41:50] we can sit down and look at the city's capital improvement

[1:41:53] plan and see if there's somewhere

[1:41:55] in there that we can take money.

[1:41:56] Because if that boiler goes, we're done. Yeah.

[1:42:00] We're dead in no water. There'll be no revenue

[1:42:06] That, I just wanna make sure I understand this.

[1:42:07] That's the situation we're already in, right?

[1:42:10] Yes, yes, yes. We've

[1:42:11] Been in, so our, so our risk is not going

[1:42:13] to appreciably increase over the winter as, as dire as

[1:42:16] that risk is, which I fully, fully grant,

[1:42:19] it's not gonna appreciably increase between now

[1:42:21] and when we increase the boilers and

[1:42:23] Started using it. We keep,

[1:42:24] We keep knocking on wood

[1:42:25] but we've been limping along this

[1:42:26] way for a couple of years now

[1:42:28] We three as far as I know.

[1:42:30] Yeah. So it's, the risk would increase only as much

[1:42:34] as the use usage, normal usage of the system. Okay.

[1:42:38] We, we had that happen here. How,

[1:42:40] How old Didn't we Steve,

[1:42:42] Do you know how old that boiler is?

[1:42:44] 25 2 early two thousands I believe

[1:42:49] Early, very early two thousands. So

[1:42:51] So it is very likely near end. Yeah.

[1:42:55] There's a reason we do, there's a reason we're doing

[1:42:57] Object but again it is being replaced

[1:42:59] in the spring. That's the kind of kicker.

[1:43:00] I just wanted to clarify that as dyer

[1:43:02] as a situation is the risk,

[1:43:03] the risk has not like shot upwards.

[1:43:05] Correct? Correct. In recent

[1:43:06] period it's going to continue. Take

[1:43:07] 70 degrees all winter. We're all we're

[1:43:09] Golden.

[1:43:10] Yeah. Warm winter.

[1:43:13] It is supposed to be something El Nino, I don't know.

[1:43:15] It's supposed to be warmer than

[1:43:16] last year from what I've seen. Yeah.

[1:43:18] Anything's gotta be warmer than last year. Brutal.

[1:43:22] Mr. Baker, with the upgrades

[1:43:25] that are gonna go into the odd with efficiencies,

[1:43:29] how much money do you think

[1:43:30] that we're gonna end up saving on things like fuel

[1:43:33] efficiency, heating, the building and such?

[1:43:37] I don't know. Just Any bulk. Yeah,

[1:43:39] I, yeah, I don't have enough.

[1:43:40] Okay. I just figured I'd ask.

[1:43:42] We we will be saving

[1:43:45] significant electricity switching from the

[1:43:48] metal haylight bulbs to LEDs.

[1:43:52] The exact amount. I don't know. It's okay.

[1:43:55] It just be nice 'cause the bathrooms in the locker room

[1:43:57] still need upgraded.

[1:44:00] The new the bathrooms will be upgraded. We'll be get Okay.

[1:44:04] Existing bathrooms will be getting new fixtures and finishes

[1:44:07] and they get to old five foot urinals for those.

[1:44:11] Those are, those are my understandings.

[1:44:13] They'll go away because they're no longer up to code. Yeah.

[1:44:17] Mr. Manager, did you wanna say something?

[1:44:19] But it's a gorgeous building just right.

[1:44:22] Anyone else shine it up?

[1:44:25] Do we need to approve something as part of this

[1:44:28] Item?

[1:44:29] The contract? The contract

[1:44:31] Contract?

[1:44:32] Those and the contracts are strictly

[1:44:33] for the municipal energy money.

[1:44:36] Once we get the Sanders money, Tom will come back

[1:44:40] with a contract for the auditorium for that portion.

[1:44:44] Could what, what are the contracts? Just so I'm clear.

[1:44:48] I see an a IE contract in my, in here. I'm sorry.

[1:44:53] A-I-A-I-A-A com contract.

[1:44:56] And then what's, there's another one

[1:44:57] There.

[1:44:58] There should be two of them.

[1:45:00] One is for the city hall work

[1:45:02] and one is for the auditorium work that

[1:45:05] They have the same number on them,

[1:45:06] but they're, they're different.

[1:45:07] Two different ones.

[1:45:09] This one is, Is it all in the same document?

[1:45:13] Alberta sent it out later

[1:45:15] On.

[1:45:16] Yeah, no, there, there's two emails.

[1:45:17] So this, this one's Maine

[1:45:18] O'clock this morning.

[1:45:23] Just to give you an update on that. On the, the odd that

[1:45:26] One, sorry.

[1:45:31] City hall for the MER grant, we're gonna be doing the,

[1:45:34] the kit, the kitchen ventilation

[1:45:38] and reorganization that

[1:45:42] where came in at 310,147

[1:45:48] and MER funding is

[1:45:50] 261 570, leaving four

[1:45:55] 8,577

[1:45:57] to be cover covered from the civic center improvement funds.

[1:46:02] And that works again should start in April.

[1:46:08] If you look on the contracts, it's the, at the bottom

[1:46:10] of the first page where it indicates which one

[1:46:14] I can only find one contract. I'm sorry,

[1:46:16] I'm Do you want me to, do you wanna look at a copy?

[1:46:19] I I Oh no wait,

[1:46:21] I think I have, yeah.

[1:46:25] Okay, I see one. This one is for city hall. Sorry. Sorry.

[1:46:28] Okay. Got it. Thank you.

[1:46:33] Got it.

[1:46:37] Tom, I think you told me an interesting part about that is

[1:46:41] one of the architects on the odd,

[1:46:44] the actually the original

[1:46:46] architect that built that building.

[1:46:48] Yes. A firm.

[1:46:51] This Freeman French Freeman is the architectural firm

[1:46:54] that designed the odd to start with.

[1:46:56] So they should all of the O original drawings,

[1:47:01] you know, we all the as-builts.

[1:47:04] Cool. That's a NICE's. Nice. Is actually cool. Bonus nine.

[1:47:07] Soon as you wanna come up

[1:47:08] and say something, you gotta come up to the microphone.

[1:47:11] Pop me up to the front. Yep. Thank you.

[1:47:13] Otherwise the internet can't hear you.

[1:47:17] Hi. Hi, I'm Sue.

[1:47:20] I just wanted, because there was some discussion about kind

[1:47:24] of moving on limping forward

[1:47:27] and taking the risk of having a heating system that may

[1:47:31] or may not make it through the year.

[1:47:34] I just wanted Tom to make sure that he detailed

[1:47:37] what the cost of a temporary heating system would be.

[1:47:41] We're gonna, we'll be working on that.

[1:47:42] We can bring it to the account while

[1:47:45] we're working on the project.

[1:47:47] One of the costs of continuing it this year would be

[1:47:51] temporary heat and they came back at $50,000 a month.

[1:47:56] A month, put a, put a temporary steam boiler outside

[1:48:01] and plummet into the existing heating system.

[1:48:06] I thought that detail was going to be important.

[1:48:08] Since we have ongoing contracts and relationships

[1:48:12] and we would probably stumble to try to respond

[1:48:16] to those responsibilities.

[1:48:18] We need to have clear eyes about what the real cost of

[1:48:23] heating that building, keeping the building moving forward.

[1:48:27] And also functional is, is very expensive. $50,000 a month

[1:48:32] May you, may, is that

[1:48:35] only if the boiler goes down or is that no matter what,

[1:48:37] That's only if the boiler goes down.

[1:48:41] No more risk. Yeah,

[1:48:42] No, I know.

[1:48:43] I

[1:48:44] Time If we can't, if it goes down

[1:48:47] and say there we can get the part the next day or two days.

[1:48:52] It's not, that building's big enough,

[1:48:54] it has enough residual heat in it that

[1:48:56] we should not be afraid of freezing anything up if,

[1:49:01] if it goes down and it's out weeks

[1:49:04] or that the temporary boiler is the best

[1:49:09] long-term fix.

[1:49:12] So say it blows the water jacket,

[1:49:16] that's what we would have to do.

[1:49:18] If it, if it's say two weeks out for the part,

[1:49:22] we could probably go in with some temporary propane heaters,

[1:49:26] the build in from freezing.

[1:49:28] We probably wouldn't be able to operate during that period

[1:49:31] because of the heat is located in one location

[1:49:35] and that'd be extremely warm parts of the building.

[1:49:38] Extremely cold parts of the building.

[1:49:40] But the build will, it's there just

[1:49:42] to keep the building from freezing.

[1:49:45] A follow up question. Can I see

[1:49:46] the architectural drawings?

[1:49:49] I would love to look at the architectural drawings.

[1:49:52] I don't know. That's some course you would.

[1:49:56] Yeah, I actually, I think it would be really neat

[1:50:00] to have some kind of like a

[1:50:04] imagine a display or a

[1:50:08] Speaking to my, I sing my song.

[1:50:10] Yes. Right. A thought. Here's a, here's a fundraising idea.

[1:50:14] We could, if the, if the architectural firm was willing,

[1:50:18] we could produce some of those

[1:50:19] and sell them to people as a fundraiser.

[1:50:21] Had a heartbeat. Fundraiser had a lot of money.

[1:50:25] They are, they are really blueprints.

[1:50:27] They're the old style. They're blueprints and it's cool.

[1:50:30] They may be even some vellum

[1:50:31] that were like trait full size like, Hmm.

[1:50:34] Ball. Right. Yeah. Very

[1:50:37] Cool.

[1:50:38] High detailed photograph and do prints. We can

[1:50:39] Scan.

[1:50:40] We have a roller scanner at the Historical society.

[1:50:41] We rolling? Yes. We could scan 'em.

[1:50:44] Yeah. Cool. The, that's how we do historic presentation.

[1:50:47] Mr. Baker, how long would

[1:50:48] It take?

[1:50:49] Actually Drew was,

[1:50:53] I don't remember her first name,

[1:50:56] but she is the

[1:50:59] second Freeman in the Freeman, French Freeman Cool.

[1:51:03] Or her husband and a partner.

[1:51:05] And she does that building was designed

[1:51:08] by a female architect back in the thirties.

[1:51:10] Right. Cool. Awesome. So it's it's got some, yeah.

[1:51:13] Really interesting history

[1:51:15] and especially the way they fit things together

[1:51:20] with like the kitchen and a bit where it is,

[1:51:25] you know, between the floors with the

[1:51:28] Yeah.

[1:51:29] Cool. It's still a documentary.

[1:51:33] We still got the B to deal with too.

[1:51:35] Hmm. So in the, in the event that we would have an issue

[1:51:38] with the boiler going down, two questions.

[1:51:41] My first question is, how fast would it take us to get

[1:51:45] the new boiler's temporary one up and running? And I'm

[1:51:50] Not sure of

[1:51:53] Weeks, days, I mean any ballpark

[1:51:57] Might be a good thing that we should look into.

[1:51:59] I think if we're talking November

[1:52:01] and the boiler goes, we need to know

[1:52:04] how fast we can get it up and running.

[1:52:06] Whether it's to not have an interruption in activities

[1:52:11] or whether it's to keep the building from freezing.

[1:52:14] I think that we need to know what that timeframe is

[1:52:16] and where we would get the equipment from.

[1:52:19] You get that emergency plan in place.

[1:52:20] Okay. Because to be proactive

[1:52:22] and not reactive, I think that needs

[1:52:24] to be really important in this process. Yep.

[1:52:27] We're And again, if we can fix that second boiler

[1:52:29] and it's something simpler, then awesome.

[1:52:32] But again, if you're saying it's dead,

[1:52:35] It's packed.

[1:52:36] That's what it's, it's parts just as long

[1:52:39] as the same part doesn't break we're Yeah. Right.

[1:52:41] It's, so I think it would definitely be really important

[1:52:44] for us to get an emergency plan in place so that way,

[1:52:48] and we'll say if and not when it breaks,

[1:52:51] we have a plan in place so that way we can put

[1:52:54] that plan in place if it happens.

[1:52:56] Yeah. We have a consensual consensus with that council.

[1:53:01] We want to plan in place in the event of something happens.

[1:53:05] Okay. Anything else on the civic center

[1:53:10] auditorium renovation project? I would

[1:53:12] Move to Approve the two contracts at hand.

[1:53:14] Second. Wonderful. Any discussion regarding those?

[1:53:18] All right. Hearing and seeing on none.

[1:53:20] All those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

[1:53:24] That will pass Counsel. Mr. Baker.

[1:53:29] The bill or renovation update.

[1:53:34] Okay, I leave you now.

[1:53:39] I was, he's done plenty. No grants on this one.

[1:53:43] All the heavy lifting on this, the first part.

[1:53:45] So we're, we can go.

[1:53:49] As you know, we replaced the header last year.

[1:53:53] We found out we, the lateral tubings that run

[1:53:56] through the floor is

[1:54:00] 54-year-old plastic.

[1:54:02] Okay. Demonstration here. If anyone would like.

[1:54:08] Thank you. And this is embedded in the concrete.

[1:54:11] This is embedded in concrete. Okay.

[1:54:14] Right now we're dealing with just the pieces

[1:54:16] that are exposed.

[1:54:20] Every time we try to fix it, it's splits even more.

[1:54:27] So we are now, you know, we had,

[1:54:30] and then we had a leak last October,

[1:54:34] which we had enough glycol leftover from

[1:54:37] the, the header project.

[1:54:38] We were able to recharge, fix it, and recharge immediately.

[1:54:41] And we only lost like three days of ice rental.

[1:54:45] We had another one this spring,

[1:54:48] which we did not have the glycol to repair, replace it.

[1:54:51] Seating had to lost the last two weeks of the season.

[1:54:55] And Spalding

[1:54:57] and U 32 had to reschedule their playoff games.

[1:55:01] I remember the, As we were looking at it, this,

[1:55:06] this fall, we found 12 leaks.

[1:55:10] 12 leaks. The breakdown was in the packet

[1:55:17] going forward here, the, just to get ready

[1:55:22] for ice, it's gonna cost us 60 to $65,000.

[1:55:27] Okay. The, the brine pump,

[1:55:31] which is $25,000 we knew was coming back

[1:55:35] in back in the spring.

[1:55:36] Nicholas signed the PO on that.

[1:55:40] They're gonna be putting that in tomorrow. Tomorrow.

[1:55:45] The cooling tower repair, that's the tower

[1:55:48] behind the building where it dumps the heat, had many leaks

[1:55:53] and we lost a lot of water at the backside.

[1:55:56] That repair should be completed tomorrow.

[1:55:59] They're gonna be starting on the floor,

[1:56:02] lateral lines tomorrow as well.

[1:56:06] Repairing them. And then we're gonna pressure test the,

[1:56:09] the system over the weekend.

[1:56:13] Leave it under pressure for the, to see if we have any more

[1:56:18] before we put the glycol in it.

[1:56:21] Then we'll charge it with the glycol.

[1:56:23] And right now the current plan is

[1:56:24] to start the compressors sometime about the 12th

[1:56:27] or 13th of October

[1:56:31] for ice ready for the 31st.

[1:56:36] And this has zero guarantees

[1:56:40] that it will hold up.

[1:56:43] I think Tom said something

[1:56:44] to me while we were looking at today

[1:56:46] that I think it's definitely important

[1:56:47] that everyone knows like that.

[1:56:49] So that's about 50 something years old. It's

[1:56:51] It's 54 years old I believe.

[1:56:53] Yeah. He said usually the life on that stuff is 25.

[1:56:56] This, this rink, how it's set up, the, the,

[1:56:59] the plastic it owes us nothing.

[1:57:01] It is, it is done well, more than it's life.

[1:57:04] Let you know and it's still going on,

[1:57:05] but it, it's, it's limping on.

[1:57:07] And I heard that Barry, he told me if he's not lying to me,

[1:57:10] he told me Barry's a big hockey town.

[1:57:13] Yeah. So again, it's to prove. Yeah.

[1:57:17] So it's something, something you guys need to be aware of

[1:57:20] that the, the system is, it's done its job twice over.

[1:57:25] Give a little perspective.

[1:57:28] Norwich had to replace their floor

[1:57:30] and their new rink at 20 years.

[1:57:35] So we're at 54. We, it it's done very, very well. Yeah.

[1:57:39] Sounds as welling.

[1:57:42] Everyone knows how I feel about this.

[1:57:45] I my question for you,

[1:57:47] and maybe I'll just be clear for people

[1:57:48] who don't know how I stand on it,

[1:57:49] I don't know.

[1:57:51] I think that we're continuing to spend a lot of money

[1:57:54] to have a facility that is I understand

[1:57:59] where a hockey town, I think there are a lot of other things

[1:58:04] that we could do with this, with the money.

[1:58:06] And I also think there's a lot of other things

[1:58:08] that we could do with the building.

[1:58:11] My question for, I prefer, I would recommend,

[1:58:15] and I've recommended this for years and years

[1:58:16] and years, just have year round turf.

[1:58:18] But I know I'm getting outvoted.

[1:58:20] He I know I'm getting He can't

[1:58:22] Because the building has zero insulation.

[1:58:25] I know, but what I'm saying is you're gonna spend this

[1:58:27] much money fixing up ice

[1:58:29] and you could spend that money on heating the building

[1:58:31] instead of, so I'm, I I'm not gonna argue with you

[1:58:34] because I know I'm not gonna win,

[1:58:36] but I'm putting it out there for anybody else

[1:58:39] who would like to get on my team.

[1:58:41] So my question for you is, this is just a fix for this year.

[1:58:45] And so we're going to have to replace everything,

[1:58:47] which it looks like a 1.7 to $2 million price tag

[1:58:52] Is to replace the floor.

[1:58:54] And that's, That is like worst case scenario.

[1:58:57] But that's what we have to do next year.

[1:59:00] We will have to do it at some point. Okay.

[1:59:03] 'cause eventually once we

[1:59:07] use up all the black plastic that's sticking out

[1:59:10] and then we start getting up to the concrete,

[1:59:15] we have options where we can close, if one line closes

[1:59:18] that we can plug it, plug that line off

[1:59:22] and the ones on both sides will cover the, the cooling.

[1:59:26] But you'll get a gray stripe down your, down your ice.

[1:59:31] You said it's gonna have a different

[1:59:33] Density too.

[1:59:34] A different play. So, so it may

[1:59:35] puck may be going then slow down. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:59:38] Well I think that happens garden,

[1:59:40] but I feel like that happens probably now in some

[1:59:44] sense when the weather's really warm, I've walked in there

[1:59:47] and the glass has completely fogged

[1:59:49] That.

[1:59:50] Yes. We ha we do not have a de

[1:59:51] dehumidification system in there.

[1:59:53] Right. So when we, so the start of the start

[1:59:56] of the year when it gets up above 40 degrees outside.

[1:59:59] Right. The glass all fogs up. Yeah.

[2:00:02] And does that also impact the, the ice?

[2:00:05] It impacts the soft, it gets a little it gets soft. Foggy.

[2:00:08] Yeah. But uniformly. Uniformly.

[2:00:10] So uniformly across the whole thing. Okay.

[2:00:13] So, but what I'm hearing from you, what your answer

[2:00:15] to my question was, is yes, we're gonna have

[2:00:16] to spend potentially up to $2 million to replace this so

[2:00:20] that we can continue to have hockey in Berry City.

[2:00:24] Yes. Okay. That's the point. And a new roof.

[2:00:28] And a new roof. And A new roof.

[2:00:30] So we're looking at close to $2.3 million

[2:00:35] and you'll see absolutely zero change in the building

[2:00:40] Council Bergeron.

[2:00:42] So just for the manager.

[2:00:43] So he understands

[2:00:46] that building was never meant to be enclosed.

[2:00:48] That's Tom, Tom gave me the

[2:00:50] rundown. He showed me where?

[2:00:51] DOR right? Yeah. It was a federal grant program

[2:00:55] where they built these outdoor rinks

[2:00:58] and they just had a roof on 'em.

[2:01:01] And that was it. Because I remember, you know,

[2:01:04] in the winter up there, the wind would blow right through.

[2:01:06] Oh yeah. You'd have snow drifts on the ice.

[2:01:08] And in the summer there was three tennis courts

[2:01:12] and a basketball court in there.

[2:01:14] So it was used all summer too.

[2:01:16] But, but once they closed it in,

[2:01:19] they never thought about putting dehumidification in there.

[2:01:24] No air changers. So it just sits there

[2:01:27] and it's, it's like a sponge soaking up the water.

[2:01:32] Thank you. Bounce Augustin

[2:01:34] The Roof.

[2:01:36] And apologies that I can't remember.

[2:01:38] Have we already allocated capital improvement funds for

[2:01:40] This?

[2:01:41] It is in the capital. Okay.

[2:01:41] Improvement plan for okay. This fiscal year.

[2:01:43] So we've already basically committed the 600,000.

[2:01:46] So the, so we're looking at,

[2:01:47] It's, it's got five, I believe there's 550 in the plan,

[2:01:52] and I'm expecting it's probably gonna be close to 600 with

[2:01:57] Okay.

[2:01:58] But the bulk of it is, I guess, that I'm,

[2:01:59] that money is committed and set.

[2:02:02] So we're looking at just, just the floor

[2:02:04] as a potential Thank you. Okay.

[2:02:06] Again, at some point Yeah. In the future. Yeah.

[2:02:09] Yep. Just to give you ideas of

[2:02:13] scales of stuff, the compressor units,

[2:02:18] again are 54 years old.

[2:02:21] They produce the best ice in the state from

[2:02:24] what I'm told by hockey people.

[2:02:26] Right. A new set of compressors is a million dollars.

[2:02:31] Oh my gosh. That is a compressor unit,

[2:02:35] which comes in, looks like a Conex box

[2:02:37] and it slides in, they just plug the, plug the into it

[2:02:41] and away you go.

[2:02:44] Okay. If you're looking at dehumidification system, again,

[2:02:48] it seems like everything in a hockey rink starts with a,

[2:02:51] you know, a million dollars.

[2:02:55] It's about a million dollars

[2:02:56] to put a dehumidification system in,

[2:02:59] but it also takes it 130,000 in revenue per year.

[2:03:02] So if you get a 15 year loan

[2:03:06] and utilize that as collateral,

[2:03:09] it's a no, it's a business move.

[2:03:11] It can't take away the PORI don't care. It's haw.

[2:03:14] I'm not recommending it. I wouldn't, I mean, you know

[2:03:16] how it's a public, you make a public humiliation.

[2:03:19] Our hockey team has to go

[2:03:20] to a different municipality to play hockey.

[2:03:24] That the auditorium are our largest revenue sources

[2:03:27] because the infrastructure wasn't taken care of in the past.

[2:03:31] Is not our fault, but it's our problem.

[2:03:33] So now it's time to fix things. We're redoing it.

[2:03:36] We barry's getting a rebirth of everything.

[2:03:39] Gluing the roads. Yeah.

[2:03:41] So I, I've, I'm in favor of fixing it all

[2:03:44] and we'll figure it out financially to turn into a business,

[2:03:47] you gotta take a loan out

[2:03:48] and defer it to

[2:03:49] how much money it's coming in yearly from that.

[2:03:53] Or even make a 20 year period for that matter.

[2:03:57] Mr. Bakker, how come this wasn't pressure tested back in

[2:04:00] the spring when we knew that there were leaks in

[2:04:02] between seasons to see

[2:04:04] If there were, we're gonna do it in the fall,

[2:04:07] But wouldn't we have wanted to be proactive

[2:04:09] to see if there were more than 12 leaks

[2:04:11] so we could have a better cost

[2:04:12] estimate coming into the fall?

[2:04:16] Just being proactive and not reactive.

[2:04:18] Just move forward. I mean, I just want to kind of be

[2:04:22] as proactive as possible with all these projects.

[2:04:25] And I feel like if we had potentially pressure tested in the

[2:04:27] spring when we closed down hockey

[2:04:30] and told the kids they were gonna have

[2:04:31] to go play their playoffs at in Montpelier,

[2:04:34] that maybe if we had pressure tested this as well

[2:04:38] in the spring, we would have a better cost estimate

[2:04:41] about 12 lines and maybe there are 25 lines that are blown.

[2:04:47] And like I said, this is, comes with zero guarantees. I

[2:04:51] Get it.

[2:04:52] We could blow another 12 lines

[2:04:53] when we test it on Saturday.

[2:04:54] Right. And so, So they're learning curve.

[2:04:58] My question becomes, can we in the future be proactive

[2:05:02] about things like this so we're not having to go six months

[2:05:07] with finding out the results?

[2:05:09] 'cause my frustration here is that six months ago we knew

[2:05:14] that we had lines blown.

[2:05:15] We didn't necessarily know the scope of the project,

[2:05:18] but we knew that there was an issue with the project.

[2:05:21] And now we're coming here in September talking about opening

[2:05:24] up the BOR, I'm sorry, the, yeah, the BOR

[2:05:29] with 12 lines that are currently known to be blown.

[2:05:33] And with the potential

[2:05:34] that this weekend when we pressurize the lines,

[2:05:37] we could then see one or

[2:05:41] or many more go

[2:05:45] Councilor Guston.

[2:05:46] I just wanna say I'm not, I'm not sure the math works out

[2:05:48] on that old plastic response to temperature changes.

[2:05:52] And it breaks down with temperature changes.

[2:05:54] And these systems were exposed

[2:05:56] to temperature changes all summer.

[2:05:58] We could have tested it in the spring

[2:05:59] and then it still would've blown in the fall.

[2:06:02] So it makes sense to me to wait till the fall

[2:06:04] and then to blow as many as we can

[2:06:06] and figure out as many as we can and fix.

[2:06:08] I realize the schedule is not ideal,

[2:06:10] but like, it could very, very easily have picked up more,

[2:06:14] more problems over the summer

[2:06:15] and we would've felt confident if

[2:06:16] that we'd fixed it in the spring

[2:06:17] and then just been in a, in a, a whole quagmire.

[2:06:21] And I guess I have a question too.

[2:06:23] Is there any action that you need counsel to take tonight?

[2:06:25] Or is this just informative

[2:06:26] Right now?

[2:06:27] This is just an informative

[2:06:28] 'cause you, thank you okayed the,

[2:06:31] the startup, the initial fix.

[2:06:33] Yeah. I just wanna make sure everyone knows this.

[2:06:36] There's gonna be more, we are gonna have to have

[2:06:38] that discussion on, on the floor.

[2:06:42] It's gonna have to happen. 'cause eventually the rest

[2:06:45] of 'em are gonna, we're gonna run out.

[2:06:48] As you did see in the packet there is the picture I sent

[2:06:53] that gray sec, dark gray section you see is wet concrete.

[2:06:58] So there is some kind of leak under the con concrete.

[2:07:03] Michael, I don't know how big,

[2:07:05] it could just be a very minuscule leak

[2:07:07] that's just keeping it wet.

[2:07:10] Right. But we, that shows we, there is a leak under the,

[2:07:15] and that is right behind the goal.

[2:07:17] Okay. So it's probably in the playing surface somewhere.

[2:07:21] Okay. Councillor Hillgardner.

[2:07:22] Oh, I just wanna point out that the proactive thing to do

[2:07:25] is to replace the place

[2:07:28] and not keep, you know, you know, fixing,

[2:07:33] you know, cobbling together fixes that

[2:07:38] however does require a big conversation about the basic

[2:07:42] price tag because you know, we have so many demands

[2:07:45] and if we had to choose between the BOR

[2:07:47] and a sewer system, for example,

[2:07:49] I think I'd choose the sewer. But that's me.

[2:07:54] That's so swallow. So a couple of questions about,

[2:07:57] so the floor, we're gonna do this

[2:07:58] and hopefully this $65,000 fix will

[2:08:03] take care of the floor, the, the leaks

[2:08:06] and then, excuse me, the cost

[2:08:11] to replace the floor is let's say $2 million.

[2:08:15] And then the cost to replace compressors is $1 million.

[2:08:19] The compressors are functioning.

[2:08:21] They're functioning, we maintain them every year.

[2:08:25] They can be go, they could go another 50 years

[2:08:29] Or they could go five days.

[2:08:30] We don't know. Right. Preventive

[2:08:31] Maintenance.

[2:08:32] Okay. But we're doing all the preventative maintenance.

[2:08:35] Okay. And then dehumidification, which we don't have,

[2:08:37] but if you were going to replace all these other things,

[2:08:40] it would probably make sense

[2:08:42] If we were going to do a new building

[2:08:45] that would be included in it.

[2:08:47] Is there anything else? There's the compressor,

[2:08:49] there's the floor dehumidification.

[2:08:50] Is there anything else? The roof.

[2:08:52] The roof Within the roof. If

[2:08:54] We get the roof again,

[2:08:57] the locker rooms over there are incredibly small.

[2:09:00] Yeah. Wood box. And one of them's on the second floor.

[2:09:04] Well the, the Sping boys locker room that's upstairs

[2:09:08] is adequately sized.

[2:09:09] Okay. The Spalding girls locker room is a little undersized.

[2:09:14] The four public locker rooms

[2:09:17] right off the ice are incredibly undersized.

[2:09:20] Tiny. Especially from my, from my understanding is

[2:09:24] that when you get a youth team in there

[2:09:26] and you gotta have the 12, 15 players plus

[2:09:32] mom or dad in there helping each one get dressed,

[2:09:36] it gets very, very congested.

[2:09:38] Yeah. So,

[2:09:43] But for equipment, it's compressor.

[2:09:45] But as far as building equipment, those

[2:09:48] would be the big, big

[2:09:49] Ones.

[2:09:50] And we just replaced the Zamboni. Correct.

[2:09:51] The Zamboni is due to be, I was told in this month,

[2:09:57] I have not heard it's been shipped yet, but, okay.

[2:10:00] Wait, how, I'm sorry. How do they ship it?

[2:10:05] I'm assuming they It probably comes on a, on a truck.

[2:10:09] Yeah. Flatbed. Flatbed truck. That's awesome. Sorry.

[2:10:14] On the highway. All the way from

[2:10:16] have a parade when it comes in with it,

[2:10:18] like on the tow truck.

[2:10:20] Oh, it it is gonna come. It's gonna be white

[2:10:22] and then we'll we'll get to decals put on it.

[2:10:25] What are you doing with the old one?

[2:10:28] I've already asked the old one.

[2:10:30] The current one that we're using, we will take down to,

[2:10:33] to the north berry rink and put into storage.

[2:10:35] As a backup. Yeah, backup.

[2:10:37] And then the one that is in the north berry rink right now,

[2:10:41] the 1974 vintage gasoline powered Zamboni.

[2:10:45] We'll be going up for sale. Oh.

[2:10:47] It becomes easily becomes a city manager's cost.

[2:10:51] City manager can drive it around.

[2:10:54] I'm the, it'll take me if they're still in business. Yeah.

[2:11:01] All right. Any other questions for Mr. Baker regarding

[2:11:04] the auto BOR renovations?

[2:11:06] Just

[2:11:08] ASAP.

[2:11:09] Tell us about when you do those lines.

[2:11:11] So we, I mean we gotta know

[2:11:13] that right off you'll, you'll know.

[2:11:16] Great. If we run into problems,

[2:11:18] you will be the first one to say that.

[2:11:20] Will we like hear it?

[2:11:23] You hear it? No, I was at, I was boom.

[2:11:27] We gonna have a whole nother problem. I was at St.

[2:11:30] Monica's school when the first one collapsed

[2:11:33] and I saw it collapse from the bathroom window.

[2:11:35] The, the BOR collapsed the first one. Really? Yeah.

[2:11:38] Back in 76. Oh my 75.

[2:11:42] No it was, I was in eighth grade.

[2:11:43] It was, or maybe it was in sixth grade. Spalding.

[2:11:48] It was like 70. 73. Six. How was that? The old St.

[2:11:52] Bon's. Just like Domino's just, was it snow load?

[2:11:57] No, it just structural wasn't Oh wow.

[2:11:59] They weren't all tied in yet, did it? It fell off.

[2:12:03] The piers just boom slid off the piers.

[2:12:07] Arches weren't all tied together in level,

[2:12:10] they just blew over.

[2:12:12] Oh

[2:12:15] Sure.

[2:12:16] You find out on council.

[2:12:16] So anything else for Mr. Baker before we move on? Nope.

[2:12:20] Alright, Mr. Baker, thank you for your time. Thanks

[2:12:23] Sir.

[2:12:24] Councilor Guston F Zi update.

[2:12:28] Yeah. So we've touched on one element of the plan

[2:12:31] with the auditorium,

[2:12:34] but I wanted to talk a little bit tonight

[2:12:36] about the Adopt a Drain program.

[2:12:37] And apologies I did not prep slides.

[2:12:39] So you're just gonna have to listen to me talk very briefly

[2:12:42] to give an overview of the program

[2:12:45] and where to find it for anyone who is interested in it.

[2:12:50] The adoptive burning program provides basically a framework

[2:12:55] for folks to adopt a storm drain in their neighborhood

[2:12:58] and clean it out of surface debris.

[2:13:00] Periodically report that debris back

[2:13:03] to the adoptive drain program.

[2:13:05] And then they collate all this interesting data for us about

[2:13:08] what kind of debris is in there,

[2:13:10] how frequently they're cleaned.

[2:13:12] It provides also a measure of flood resiliency

[2:13:15] because it water can go down clean drains

[2:13:18] and it also has eyes on drains.

[2:13:21] Folks with who are maintaining drains in their neighborhood

[2:13:24] can more readily discover when one has broken

[2:13:26] or clogged beyond their ability to unclog it.

[2:13:30] You can adopt a drain by going by just, just Google,

[2:13:34] Vermont, adopt a drain.

[2:13:35] And then you can create an account

[2:13:36] and it will basically geolocate you to Berry City.

[2:13:42] The drains in the map right now

[2:13:45] for Berry City have been created in sort of two, sort

[2:13:50] of two ways that worked together.

[2:13:52] One was a, a mapping exercise

[2:13:54] that the Neighborly Berry Committee helped lead as well

[2:13:57] as students at the Central Vermont Career Center walking

[2:14:01] around and dropping pins on storm drains.

[2:14:04] And the other was incorporating some DEC data.

[2:14:07] And the folks that adopted drain sort of like meshed those

[2:14:10] for a maximum accuracy to put all the pins for the drain.

[2:14:14] So you'll see drains on your street in your neighborhood

[2:14:17] when you log in and zoom down to your street.

[2:14:20] However, no system is perfect.

[2:14:22] I know a couple of folks have reached out

[2:14:24] and said, oh, this drain is not,

[2:14:26] this drain in my neighborhood is not on the system.

[2:14:30] First of all, I would say make sure it's not just a like six

[2:14:34] feet to the left, six feet to the right kind of situation.

[2:14:36] And that the pin isn't just a little off.

[2:14:39] And if it's a little off, like just pretend it's accurate,

[2:14:42] it'll be fine if it really properly isn't there,

[2:14:47] it's a very easy system to add the drain.

[2:14:50] Go into the website while you are on your phone

[2:14:54] and it will again geolocate you to that spot stand.

[2:14:58] Please don't stand exactly on the drain,

[2:14:59] but you know, stand pretty close to on the drain

[2:15:01] and it, it will prompt you to drop a pin

[2:15:04] and then submit that for, submit that for approval.

[2:15:08] And the approvals they turn around pretty quickly.

[2:15:10] So you should see it in the system too.

[2:15:11] But I really, I feel like 99.9%

[2:15:15] that we got that many of the drains.

[2:15:18] So, oh, and by the way, it was close to 15,000.

[2:15:23] Whoever, wherever we were placing bets on

[2:15:25] how many it was, we were all way under.

[2:15:28] Just watched one weekend under way under, way under.

[2:15:32] It was sounds like one horrifying number

[2:15:34] of storm trains, frankly.

[2:15:38] So it really should be reasonably comprehensive.

[2:15:42] We worked, like I said, with the D-E-C-J-I-S mapping that,

[2:15:46] that supposedly mapped all the water systems

[2:15:48] for watershed purposes.

[2:15:50] So really try to be pretty sure that it isn't just

[2:15:53] a little bit off from where you think it is

[2:15:56] and that it, it truly is not there on the map.

[2:15:59] 'cause if we start to duplicate, it's gonna get,

[2:16:02] it's gonna get messy from the back end.

[2:16:04] So I would highly encourage folks to sign up for it.

[2:16:06] We are, especially entering sort of yard debris and tree

[2:16:11] and vegetation debris season,

[2:16:14] those storm drains are gonna get clogged up with leaves,

[2:16:17] yard clippings, other things falling off trees and,

[2:16:20] and plants dying.

[2:16:23] And then as folks know, we usually get a couple

[2:16:25] of good rainstorms in the winter.

[2:16:27] So keeping those storm drains clear ahead

[2:16:31] of those rainstorms, shoveling some snow off

[2:16:33] of it over the winter, this is an all season activity.

[2:16:36] I would encourage folks to sign up for that program,

[2:16:40] adopt their storm drain and,

[2:16:42] and sort of help us out in maintaining that.

[2:16:45] And again, I emphasize if you find a drain that is broken,

[2:16:48] some of the catch basins underneath have broken

[2:16:50] and sort of split and separated.

[2:16:52] Some of them are sunk that we can put

[2:16:55] that on the, the city's list.

[2:16:57] And I would emphasize, again,

[2:16:58] you're not reaching into the drain, please don't do that.

[2:17:01] You're clearing off the surface

[2:17:03] and like pulling a little bit of debris out from the grate,

[2:17:06] but you're not looking down there

[2:17:07] and trying to fish stuff out.

[2:17:09] If you see a large amount of debris, a large amount

[2:17:12] of gravel or anything like that, that's also a case

[2:17:14] where you would notify the city.

[2:17:17] Any questions on the program?

[2:17:18] Are there any questions that folks were raising

[2:17:19] that I, that I missed?

[2:17:22] Is there, do we have a known adoption rate

[2:17:25] of how many are un

[2:17:27] That's a great question.

[2:17:28] I, I apologize that I don't, but that's a great thing.

[2:17:30] I'll try and find out from our folks.

[2:17:34] Can we get one of the big thermometers? You know,

[2:17:37] We're at this out of 15,000

[2:17:41] and I also should mention the first, I think it's 50

[2:17:44] or a hundred folks who adopt drains in Berry City get a

[2:17:47] whole kit from them.

[2:17:48] You get a little sign you can put in your front yard saying

[2:17:50] that you've adopted a drain.

[2:17:52] You get all sorts of stuff.

[2:17:54] And it also prompts you to

[2:17:56] log what's in the drain digitally.

[2:17:59] It will also send you paper if that's how you want to do,

[2:18:01] you wanna do an analog log, it will send you that as well.

[2:18:05] It's all automated. It's all sort of being done

[2:18:10] by the lovely folks at Hamline University.

[2:18:13] They're also coming in the next couple of weeks to,

[2:18:17] we had also, part of our contract with them was

[2:18:19] to have a number of lesson plans and school kits.

[2:18:23] And they are actively reaching out

[2:18:24] and working with folks at CVCC

[2:18:26] and at Spalding right now to place those kits.

[2:18:28] A couple are going to the Aldridge Library, for example,

[2:18:30] and their education coordinator is doing a big Vermont trip

[2:18:33] because all of Chitta County uses this same program,

[2:18:36] is doing a big Vermont trip and two or three weeks

[2:18:39] and I'm gonna meet with her during that time.

[2:18:42] So there's also like science education that goes on around

[2:18:45] waterways and things like that.

[2:18:47] That is gonna be implemented shortly.

[2:18:53] Any questions for Councillor Guston? All right.

[2:18:57] Hearing and seeing none,

[2:18:59] we will finish up our regular agenda.

[2:19:04] Any upcoming business? No, we have

[2:19:06] 90, We have Oh yeah, sorry.

[2:19:10] Specific glue. Just kidding. Yeah. Yeah.

[2:19:13] So we are going to move on to item D.

[2:19:17] Yeah, I did have that. This,

[2:19:19] I, I have it up.

[2:19:20] I'm happy to read, make the motion and read it if

[2:19:22] That works.

[2:19:23] It's for me. Councilor Guin,

[2:19:26] Having seen and reviewed the resolution

[2:19:28] to authorize forgivable indebtedness pursuant

[2:19:31] to 24 via SA 4 7 5.

[2:19:34] Five A four D related to the financing

[2:19:37] of the Barry Headworks project.

[2:19:39] I hereby move the adoption

[2:19:40] and approval of resolution 2026 dash 14

[2:19:44] as presented at this meeting.

[2:19:47] Second.

[2:19:48] Alright. Any discussion regarding that Counselor Spalding,

[2:19:54] Can someone explain what this is?

[2:19:58] Go for it. Carol meet,

[2:19:59] you see?

[2:20:05] Okay. This is tied

[2:20:10] to Carol City Treasurer for the record.

[2:20:15] This is tied to the $7.6 million Headworks bond

[2:20:19] that was approved two years ago.

[2:20:23] And we have been working our way through

[2:20:28] securing the funding since then.

[2:20:32] You may recall a few months ago we actually applied for a,

[2:20:37] a clean water grant.

[2:20:39] Well, it's not a grant, it's a low interest loan

[2:20:41] and it's actually a reverse interest loan.

[2:20:44] There's a forgiveness portion to it.

[2:20:48] So this is part of, of securing that loan

[2:20:54] is documenting, accepting the, the forgiveness.

[2:20:58] So essentially what happens is the project is about

[2:21:02] nine little over $9 million, but the bond is 7.6

[2:21:08] and the loan forgiveness will cover most,

[2:21:12] if not all of that gap.

[2:21:14] But we need to jump through the legal hoops

[2:21:18] to get us to that point.

[2:21:20] This is the last piece that we need.

[2:21:23] Once we have this on record, then the attorney,

[2:21:27] the bond attorney will be able

[2:21:28] to write their opinion letter.

[2:21:30] We'll be able to submit that to the funding agency to a

[2:21:33] and r, and then we'll get our money.

[2:21:36] So, and the project is in the works, so we're,

[2:21:40] we're juggling that.

[2:21:41] Please don't spend more money than we have access

[2:21:43] to at the moment kind of phase.

[2:21:45] So we're, We're trying to get this done.

[2:21:49] So that's helpful. Thank you. Yep.

[2:21:52] Any questions for installs? Wonderful.

[2:21:57] So with that we have a motion and we have a second.

[2:22:01] All those in favor of the motion on the table say aye. Aye.

[2:22:05] Any opposed?

[2:22:07] All right. And it, it's written in such a way

[2:22:09] that it only requires the clerk

[2:22:10] to sign on behalf of the body.

[2:22:12] So it, we don't have a signature copy to go around. So.

[2:22:16] Super.

[2:22:22] Now we'll move on to upcoming business.

[2:22:27] Anything that anybody would like

[2:22:28] to see on the upcoming agenda?

[2:22:32] I would just reiterate the request for a,

[2:22:33] a public works overview, what's getting paved

[2:22:38] when, what streets are closed, planning

[2:22:42] to be closed when it's,

[2:22:43] And if we could add into that,

[2:22:45] if we could get an update on the O'Reilly building

[2:22:49] Yeah. Warehouse.

[2:22:50] Yeah. And the appeals process on that.

[2:22:52] Yeah. For the Act two 50, right? Yeah.

[2:22:56] There are a whole bunch of appeals as I, as I understand,

[2:22:58] but part of a permit appeal

[2:23:00] and then an act two 50 process and

[2:23:01] Environmental court, right? Yeah.

[2:23:03] Where we are in all of that. I'd just love to know.

[2:23:07] All right. Question. Yes ma'am.

[2:23:09] We had a parking lot Where

[2:23:12] We Had a, we've had lots of parking,

[2:23:13] We've had a parking lot full

[2:23:15] of business this year. Metaphor.

[2:23:17] Oh that parking a parking lot.

[2:23:19] I was like, wait, are we talking about physical parking lot

[2:23:22] Pulling up with housing, Sonya? I was

[2:23:23] Like, wait, seminary street.

[2:23:25] Nope.

[2:23:26] So hopefully we can, I can look back

[2:23:29] and find my notes if you don't have those.

[2:23:31] And then the other thing I wanted to add to that is I spent

[2:23:37] with Mr.

[2:23:38] Deering a good amount of time last night at the BUSD meeting

[2:23:43] because of the school, third failure of the school budget.

[2:23:48] And I wonder if there's something that this body could do

[2:23:51] to encourage more people to vote, to get out to vote.

[2:23:54] They're going to have to obviously go for a fourth vote.

[2:23:57] And so I bring it up

[2:23:58] because there may be people that pay attention

[2:24:01] to this, but not to that.

[2:24:03] And so I think it might be helpful if we somehow get

[2:24:05] involved, even if it's just to get more people to the polls.

[2:24:08] So, and maybe we could just invite them in once they have a

[2:24:12] budget approved to talk about the revised budget

[2:24:15] or the, the new proposals so that we could weigh in on it

[2:24:20] or give our stamp of approval or something. So

[2:24:23] I could not agree with you more counselor as

[2:24:25] that was my statement last night

[2:24:27] to those everywhere, Mr. Manager.

[2:24:31] So this with, with you guys approval, I,

[2:24:33] I've already talked to is is the, the chair.

[2:24:36] Greg Garrett. Garrett. So close. That was a good one.

[2:24:39] I'm gonna give myself credit for that.

[2:24:41] I, I spoke with Garrett today over at the library

[2:24:44] 'cause he's the assistant director over there

[2:24:47] and I, you know, said,

[2:24:49] is there anything we can help and all that.

[2:24:50] And so, we'll with your approval,

[2:24:52] if I can keep following up on that, we good.

[2:24:55] Okay. And yeah,

[2:24:57] he's like, I don't wanna talk about it right now.

[2:24:58] I said that compare too fresh.

[2:25:02] Would we be opposed

[2:25:03] to having the superintendent come in to speak? Yeah,

[2:25:06] They've come in, in the Past give her maybe, you know,

[2:25:08] five or 10 minutes to speak on what she'd like to, and

[2:25:13] My understanding was that Berry City is in

[2:25:15] support of the last budget.

[2:25:16] It's the last budget of last two.

[2:25:19] But again, if, if there's a larger turning out out, maybe

[2:25:23] that would help the entire section.

[2:25:25] Okay. Good. Good.

[2:25:28] One other thing that I wonder if we could add, I was,

[2:25:31] I've heard a lot of chatter about the Seminary Street

[2:25:35] project and especially regarding the street,

[2:25:39] the way the street has changed,

[2:25:41] people are very upset about the traffic change.

[2:25:44] And so I know it's, I'm not suggesting I, I have no problem

[2:25:48] with the traffic change, but if, is there an explanation

[2:25:51] for why we reduce the amount of traffic?

[2:25:53] And we don't have to discuss that now,

[2:25:55] but what I'm saying is, could we have the conversation just

[2:25:57] so people understand, like do we have to add infrastructure?

[2:26:00] Is that why the sidewalk has been increased or

[2:26:04] You mean the narrowing of the street?

[2:26:05] Yes. Yeah. Because people are like, why did they take the,

[2:26:10] you know, the separate parts of the, it's worked fine

[2:26:13] and now it's narrower and just on and on and on.

[2:26:16] And so I just wonder if we could, we don't have

[2:26:19] to talk about it now, but as an upcoming business,

[2:26:21] Just an overview of the seminary street department.

[2:26:24] We could share with you all the stuff

[2:26:26] that was discussed by the DRB.

[2:26:27] Yeah. 'cause of course it has been through the public Yes.

[2:26:30] Approval process. Yes. And

[2:26:32] and we can, we can talk about the,

[2:26:34] I just think it might be helpful so people can understand.

[2:26:37] Because if some people are just like,

[2:26:40] how did this get approved and through all of the proper

[2:26:43] Chicken rolling, if you weren't paying attention,

[2:26:49] I would just, I know, I know you don't wanna talk about it.

[2:26:51] It's in, it's safer to make narrower streets.

[2:26:54] That's double, double things. You don't

[2:26:58] Need that.

[2:26:59] You don't have to convince me. I just,

[2:27:00] Just for anyone listening at home in wonder,

[2:27:02] That's that's a huge part of the That's

[2:27:05] Right.

[2:27:06] And add and add green space. Yes.

[2:27:09] In, in the center of an urban environment. Yes. There's, if

[2:27:12] You're making houses.

[2:27:13] So I think if we could look at maybe the, the some of the,

[2:27:16] or include them in the packet or put them on the website

[2:27:18] or something so that people could see like maybe what

[2:27:21] that more finished product is gonna look like.

[2:27:23] 'cause right now it's just all dug up. And

[2:27:25] I did have a meeting 10 days ago with the,

[2:27:28] with representatives from the church.

[2:27:30] Yes. And we went over the plan.

[2:27:32] I showed them all the landscaping plans and,

[2:27:35] and you know, they had a couple questions about

[2:27:38] maintaining access, mostly being able to, with funerals,

[2:27:43] being able to, to get coffins in and out.

[2:27:45] We made sure everything had already been accommodated on the

[2:27:49] plan, but to, to show them there's additional parking

[2:27:53] right in front of there.

[2:27:54] Well, to the side, along with a handicap space.

[2:27:56] There's, there's a lot

[2:27:57] of good improvements plus traffic calming.

[2:28:00] Yeah. Associated with the narrower streets. Yeah.

[2:28:02] I, I, I, no, no, no.

[2:28:04] Have no doubt that it's going to be, and right

[2:28:06] Now it's, you know, it's a dust pit

[2:28:08] as they're finishing it up.

[2:28:10] So, I mean it's, it's, yeah.

[2:28:12] Not today. It's got a base code on it. Yep.

[2:28:14] Yeah. Well there, the, the, the portion,

[2:28:17] the infrastructure portion that has been the city's work

[2:28:21] is nearing completion

[2:28:23] and the construction actually is probably going

[2:28:28] to start sometime in early November.

[2:28:30] So. Great. Awesome. Thank

[2:28:33] You.

[2:28:34] Anything else for upcoming business?

[2:28:37] All right, that we'll go to Round table

[2:28:39] before we go to our executive session

[2:28:42] for legal Councillor Hillgardner.

[2:28:44] I do have a couple of things updates from

[2:28:46] the Neighborly Berry committee.

[2:28:48] One is that we will be present

[2:28:52] with free cider

[2:28:54] and donuts at the last farmer's market,

[2:28:57] which is the 30th of September.

[2:28:59] That's a Wednesday at Courier Park.

[2:29:02] I think it runs from five 30 to seven.

[2:29:05] We're hoping to see a lot of people

[2:29:07] and answer questions about what we're doing

[2:29:09] and give away lots of Donuts Insider

[2:29:12] and get people to sign 'em up there to tell us their ideas

[2:29:15] of things they'd like to see happen in Berry

[2:29:17] and have opportunities for them to sign up

[2:29:20] to volunteer to do some of them.

[2:29:22] So that's going on.

[2:29:24] There's also going to be a downtown city walking tour

[2:29:29] with Russell Belding, who is a, he's done a lot

[2:29:34] of research about the buildings downtown and has

[2:29:36] and is very engaging.

[2:29:38] And that will be on October the third.

[2:29:40] And there'll be more information about,

[2:29:41] there's some information about

[2:29:42] that on the Barry Partnership web website.

[2:29:47] And there'll be, I think there's a announcement

[2:29:50] that will be going out

[2:29:51] to Front Porch Forum sometime later this week for that.

[2:29:56] So that's kind of what we are up to this fall

[2:29:59] at the Neighborly bearing committee.

[2:30:03] Counselor. Folks should go to Russell's talks.

[2:30:05] He's great. He great. He's wonderful. He's wonderful.

[2:30:07] Very, very engaging. Absolutely.

[2:30:09] Second that, I have nothing else to pass

[2:30:10] All Counselor Ruth here.

[2:30:14] I just want everybody, including the council

[2:30:17] and people watching to be positive.

[2:30:18] 'cause I do believe this is a rebirth

[2:30:20] and bearing from the city manager to the roads,

[2:30:24] to the infrastructure.

[2:30:27] It's a lot of money, but it's well worth spending.

[2:30:30] And if it's utilized properly under a business model

[2:30:34] with loans and deferment,

[2:30:36] Barry's gonna be something better than it was.

[2:30:38] So that's pretty much all

[2:30:42] Council pass.

[2:30:43] Thank you. I

[2:30:45] Forgot to say this during public

[2:30:46] comment, so I'm gonna do it now.

[2:30:47] Peter Anthony emailed me

[2:30:50] and wanted to publicly thank the DPW director

[2:30:53] and crew for support during the Saturday River cleanup from

[2:30:57] the River Access

[2:30:59] Very rivers collect Access,

[2:31:00] very river collective access, anything collective.

[2:31:03] I think it's Berry River Collective now. Yes.

[2:31:05] Yeah. Very River Collective.

[2:31:06] So they had a cleanup day

[2:31:08] and they focused on the areas around Gunner Brook

[2:31:10] and Stevens branch.

[2:31:11] And there were lots of volunteers

[2:31:15] and they, he just wanted to make sure that we knew

[2:31:19] that they appreciated the support that the city gives them

[2:31:22] for cleaning, actually taking care of the trash

[2:31:25] that they pull out of the river or on the river banks.

[2:31:28] So thank you for that. And I did participate in it.

[2:31:32] It is always amazing to me the stuff that we can pull out.

[2:31:34] And I think over the course of, they've been doing this

[2:31:38] for several years, but they've basically done almost

[2:31:41] everything that they could do.

[2:31:42] And that's not to say that they can't go back now

[2:31:44] and start over, but it's, they've done a lot of of sections

[2:31:49] and so have slowly been working their way to,

[2:31:51] to get everything done and yeah, it's,

[2:31:53] they're doing some really good work. So

[2:31:55] Would you say that was the Fer Rivers collective?

[2:31:59] Fer Rivers, collective River Walk.

[2:32:02] Would you like to give anything

[2:32:03] For own table Madam Clerk?

[2:32:04] No thank you. How about you Mr. Manager?

[2:32:07] Not this time. All right.

[2:32:09] So I had the wonderful pleasure

[2:32:12] of being in the dunk tank on Saturday for the Granite Museum

[2:32:16] to help raise some money for them.

[2:32:19] It was fun. I got to be dunked several times.

[2:32:22] It was $5 for one ball or five balls for 20 bucks.

[2:32:26] So you actually had to pay in to dunk counselor during

[2:32:30] my family did pay some money to dunk me.

[2:32:32] And then we had some other community members come out.

[2:32:34] It was fun. Got to do that with both Fire Chief Cushman

[2:32:39] and Police Chief Fail.

[2:32:41] Great opportunity. Also had the opportunity to talk

[2:32:44] to Scott McLaughlin, the executive director, about a lot

[2:32:46] of the things that are going on at the Granite Museum.

[2:32:49] One of the biggest things that he was talking about was the,

[2:32:52] the additional tours that they were able

[2:32:54] to secure for October.

[2:32:57] One of the biggest things that he had talked about was

[2:33:00] the closing of the quarry was a restaurant

[2:33:03] that many people had frequented.

[2:33:06] So the lack of some more restaurants with higher capacity

[2:33:11] seating can be a deterrent for some of the buses.

[2:33:15] So that's the struggle that they're currently looking at,

[2:33:18] you know, so hopefully we'll get another business

[2:33:20] to go into the quarry and we'll get that fixed.

[2:33:24] The BUSD budget vote.

[2:33:25] As Councilor Spalding had said, we had a meeting last night,

[2:33:29] the board had a meeting and we had a lot

[2:33:31] of community members showing up VO voicing their support

[2:33:35] and opposition as well.

[2:33:38] I just wanna say that those

[2:33:39] that have voted yes, continue to vote.

[2:33:41] Yes. And those that have voted no, let's come together

[2:33:44] and find out what we need to do to pass a budget

[2:33:48] the fourth time around.

[2:33:50] We need to get this done so we can move on

[2:33:52] and the school can continue to operate

[2:33:55] and look at next year instead of continuing

[2:33:57] to look in the rear view mirror. So with that, I

[2:34:01] Will more thing Mayor.

[2:34:02] Yes sir. I guess Ms.

[2:34:04] Copping just sent me a message says

[2:34:06] that there's still a bunch

[2:34:07] of river trash on Blackwell Street Bridge

[2:34:10] and across from the old Venetian restaurant. Whoa. She's

[2:34:14] A little bit dating herself.

[2:34:17] That across from Beverage Baron. Yes, yes,

[2:34:19] Yes. I did see that that

[2:34:21] Morning.

[2:34:22] I think that hasn't been picked up yet.

[2:34:23] Direct, but that is that trash.

[2:34:25] That's the building right next to Yikes.

[2:34:27] Yeah, the Venetian restaurant. Ah, yes.

[2:34:29] It was the, the buffet for Hot Grandeous Rendezvous.

[2:34:34] It's a Chinese restaurant too, the

[2:34:37] Bus.

[2:34:38] I think they just haven't had a chance to pick it up,

[2:34:39] but that's where we left it. So

[2:34:40] I'll follow up on that.

[2:34:41] Was it a beverage? What's the place that It's adjacent.

[2:34:46] It's adjacent to Ess Stripes. No, it's, no it's Cata.

[2:34:50] No, same side. It's,

[2:34:52] well the river is across thing River's across

[2:34:54] with junkets pile.

[2:34:56] All the pile of stuff is across

[2:34:57] The street.

[2:34:58] So it's across from the old Venetian. How's that?

[2:35:00] Yeah, I'll right across from the old

[2:35:02] Venetian, just go to the Lakers.

[2:35:05] Steve remembers exactly. Ha. Busy bubble.

[2:35:08] You Lia say something like just drive

[2:35:13] Down Main Street, you'll see

[2:35:15] And look left down, left on the left.

[2:35:17] Drive down Main Street. Street

[2:35:18] In Blackwell.

[2:35:19] That's, you'll find it.

[2:35:22] And then there's also some on the Blackwell Bridge.

[2:35:25] No, that is The thing. Kind of what? Okay.

[2:35:29] And nevermind. I was trying to write down places. No,

[2:35:32] It's all in that one spot. I don't,

[2:35:34] I will learn the streets one day.

[2:35:35] Actually, you know, that's a good question.

[2:35:36] I, they worked at the Gunners brook. Gunners Brook.

[2:35:39] And I don't know if there's a pile over

[2:35:40] there 'cause I don't drive over there. So

[2:35:43] On the other side of Venetian, no

[2:35:44] Gunners Brook, that's on the other,

[2:35:46] that's on like Brook Street.

[2:35:48] That's like by the trash racks.

[2:35:49] They, that's where they were going for the other,

[2:35:51] another group was going

[2:35:53] to trash re trash racks on Brook Street.

[2:35:55] And I went to the Blackwell Street Bridge.

[2:35:57] So we'll, we'll, we'll send people

[2:35:59] out to check those. Yeah,

[2:36:00] That they just, it, the trash I think

[2:36:02] just needs to be picked up.

[2:36:04] Got your first marching orders.

[2:36:06] Yeah. First. All right.

[2:36:11] With that, I need a motion to, we're going to have findings

[2:36:15] for legal, for executive session.

[2:36:17] So moved second. And there's no action, David. Okay.

[2:36:22] So any discussion? All those in favor say aye. I.

[2:36:26] Any opposed? Okay.

[2:36:27] I'll need a motion to enter executive session.

[2:36:30] I, we are going to include the treasurer.

[2:36:34] Yeah, the manager.

[2:36:36] That's, No, we don't want the clerk.

[2:36:39] She, she's like, like, she's like, no,

[2:36:40] I'm out all hold that objection. Hey, we got you.

[2:36:44] Okay, so We take a couple minutes.

[2:36:45] Would those in, do you Wanna

[2:36:46] take a couple minutes before?

[2:36:48] Well then we get a vote. Let's

[2:36:49] just vote and then, okay.

[2:36:51] So all those in

[2:36:52] Favor of the motion as presented?

[2:36:55] Aye a aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay.

[2:36:57] We have entered executive session. Thank you.

[2:36:59] Thank you. And we'll take a moment to

[2:37:02] Stop Mark.

[2:37:03] Okay. What's actually got more?

[2:37:06] So more room one.

[2:37:11] Okay, so you're just wait until we're Yeah,

[2:37:14] I like where you're like pointing at me

[2:37:15] and I'm like right up again.

[2:37:17] School budget. I've got a joiner we're assigned.

[2:37:20] You got some ideas? Yep. Okay, good.

[2:37:22] I can't wait to hear it. Oh, right. Join up there as well.

[2:37:25] There were t. There were,

[2:55:21] There you go.

[2:55:24] Not quite. Oh, oh, oh. Sorry.

[2:55:39] That's gonna happen quite a few times. Yeah.

[2:55:41] Well, yeah, so a motion to exit executive session.

[2:55:45] So moved second. All right. Any discussion?

[2:55:48] We all those in favor say aye. Aye. All. Any opposed?

[2:55:52] Okay, we have, we have exited executive session.

[2:55:56] Motion to end the council meeting. Sure. Second.

[2:56:01] Second. Any opposed to put?

[2:56:06] Good job Michael. Thanks To go home and.

Barre City Council Meeting September 22 2026

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