[0:00] call the architectural border review meeting for Wednesday, August 26, to order, call the roll.

[0:08] Tom said last year. Sarah Burns, Meyer here. Craig, because, because of, because of

[0:12] the calc, you can't even practice before you got here. Did you? I did. It'll take a lot.

[0:19] Okay. Okay, sorry, continue. We have no minutes to do. Well, there are minutes to approve,

[0:28] but you won't be able to sign them because it's got

[0:32] Greg's name on it. But you can sell it for a home. June 10th.

[0:37] All right, so our motion to approve the minutes from

[0:40] was this the last meeting? Yeah, June 10th, 2026.

[0:43] Senator?

[0:48] Yes. Sarah? Yes, Greg? Yes.

[0:53] Okay.

[0:55] The item on the agenda is the application for

[0:58] recounts. I

[1:01] see one on the sign permit application that says

[1:04] parking lot, tracing, Detroit, those things.

[1:09] What are those things?

[1:10] Don't worry about that.

[1:14] Julie, would you like to explain what you're planning on doing?

[1:18] Well, there are three signs, and I did not draw this piece up.

[1:22] It was done by Kevin.

[1:25] I can't remember the company's name.

[1:27] The people who did the old signs are doing our replacing them with ours.

[1:31] And so there are three signs, all the same size.

[1:34] one is facing that parking lot and then two face on the corner so it's

[1:40] over-center and over-center and over-out road. Same materials and everything

[1:47] too.

[1:52] Eric does the signage conform to the code and

[1:59] what is this sign made out of?

[2:07] I submitted it to you.

[2:10] Yeah, I think so. I can confirm that I brought you a copy of your

[2:25] Yeah, the company is called a sign above and it's Kevin Holiday who's doing this.

[2:31] Okay.

[2:36] Let me see.

[2:39] It is vinyl-ladaluminum.

[2:42] That's what it is.

[2:54] And there's an existing sign in it now.

[2:56] It's coming down.

[2:57] Yes.

[3:01] And it is the same size.

[3:03] It's going in the same place.

[3:04] Yeah.

[3:04] It's a different shape, but it's the same general size and it's been going right in the same

[3:12] Just a suggestion to add to the motion that if there are any

[3:18] voice holes that are left from the difference in the size or the configuration of the signs that be repaired.

[3:32] Did you plan to have windows signage also?

[3:36] They are going to replace those stickers with.

[3:42] So it's literally a replacement and connect.

[3:44] How

[3:49] are Hannah and those retiring so we are taking over the whole space?

[3:53] I want

[3:58] to note that in your motion too because I don't know if that was included in me.

[4:01] You may want to note the window signage in your motion.

[4:07] Yeah, I didn't see that on the application there.

[4:10] I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to submit the stickers.

[4:16] And that's similarly going to just take up the entire center panel of the assembly.

[4:23] Yeah, same exact size for those.

[4:28] So what is there now?

[4:30] Is it the same exact sign?

[4:33] So the Howard Hanon?

[4:34] The Bill Riley sign.

[4:35] The Howard Hanon sign.

[4:36] Yeah, that's there still right now.

[4:38] And they're going to just take that off and put ours on.

[4:41] Same sign as this, but it will.

[5:00] So this sign goes away.

[5:02] And you're going to put a sign there.

[5:05] Yes.

[5:06] And a sign here?

[5:07] Yes.

[5:08] We don't have a drawing of that.

[5:10] Okay.

[5:11] I didn't know we needed a drawing for the stickers.

[5:13] I can, I can, that's a different company who's doing that anyway.

[5:19] I can redo that if I need to, a new application for the decals.

[5:23] Well, is it?

[5:24] It's the same sign.

[5:25] Yes, the same thing.

[5:26] It would be this, but with a background, just so it's not all window.

[5:32] Thomas, that's something that can be on your, could that be emailed to us and then we could,

[5:37] you know, potentially without having to meet again.

[5:40] Yeah.

[5:40] Okay.

[5:41] So

[5:58] I guess there would not be an approval as a result of this meeting pending.

[6:04] An opportunity to see the rest of it.

[6:06] You could have proved as just the wall sign.

[6:09] The wall sign.

[6:10] Okay.

[6:11] That'd be good.

[6:11] Because they haven't even started meeting.

[6:12] So are you proposing that you approve the other one via email?

[6:17] I'm just well more asking at that.

[6:20] I would be in favor of that.

[6:21] If they include the motion provided as described or something like that, so that way we don't

[6:26] have to meet again, assuming that the summing an error proves it.

[6:31] Yeah.

[6:31] I mean, I'll find with that just like, do you want to see it, Tom?

[6:35] Yeah.

[6:35] I'd want to see it before I approve that the window sign.

[6:39] Right.

[6:40] So we could do that by email.

[6:42] And is it going to cover the whole panel or is it going to be?

[6:44] Yeah, it'll cover the whole thing, just like that one.

[6:47] So, is there going to be a little bit more kind of white space behind it?

[6:53] I think what he's doing is it will be this color for the logo piece in the middle and

[6:59] then the background will just be like a shade darker than this, but like the graphics

[7:05] nothing will be reoriented differently.

[7:07] No.

[7:08] So, take up that much space then.

[7:11] Well, the background will take up that.

[7:12] Yeah, that's that from the actual graphic.

[7:14] Yeah, but the graphic will just be less than what it is.

[7:18] Quite small, if it's going to send you kind of flipping that graphic would be.

[7:23] Yeah, it'll be probably the size of it.

[7:25] Small letters in a large field of white.

[7:30] So you're going to background out this entire panel of glass.

[7:36] And the logo will be on the background.

[7:40] I just want to ask like is it possible just you know could

[7:45] you not do that? Is there

[7:47] or like could you just have the letters perhaps on the glass as opposed to

[7:51] waiting out the inspire without the background? Yeah it is going to be like

[7:55] architecturally it might be on to me. You won't see them. You won't see them. Black

[8:00] letters. Good point. You could do white letters. Yeah. Or even that pill kind of

[8:24] I mean he might maybe want to do a sample just do some final letter samples stick them

[8:30] on the adjacent panel step back to see how that looks as you write if you can't see it

[8:35] was a was a point.

[8:40] It just seems like a large field of way. Yeah, I wasn't going to be

[8:44] white. It was going to be a darker shade of this purple color.

[8:51] That's purple, you stand?

[8:53] Yeah, that's a lavender. This lavender? And the background behind that would be a darker

[8:58] lamp. Do you have a rendering of it on your computer? I haven't seen if he sent me one.

[9:09] He didn't

[9:09] give me anything.

[9:14] I have a natural inclination to not want to suggest anything or interfere with

[9:19] anybody's commercial enterprise, you know, we start but but it's a lot of I just wonder if it

[9:24] wouldn't be a lot better if it was just the logo because

[9:55] that's on three sides of the film too.

[9:57] So it's really gonna really gonna stand out as a large lavender walk. It's green no, it's it's it

[10:06] worse than what's it no but okay this is bad but arguably what's there now isn't terrific either.

[10:13] This is a bad picture. This is my business card. I just sent it to Dan so he could see so the dark that's the background and that's the logo.

[10:22] So that's what we are going to do for the window decals.

[10:25] So could you do potentially just again just a suggestion just do that logo maybe in the you know upper third of this block of the glazing block instead of the entire background being lavender.

[10:37] I'm fine with that. Yeah, so

[10:45] just the logo itself.

[10:49] Yeah, and then otherwise as far as you know, I you know and Eric's confirmed. I had a question about the 40% wall area. I think but Eric's confirmed that that's all good. So I didn't have any other times.

[11:02] Well, that just that doesn't include the window signs.

[11:10] Yeah, actually, I look at it on the chart, but that's different.

[11:13] Are different.

[11:14] There are actually another 40% of the glazed area.

[11:18] Yeah.

[11:18] Which that might even, well, glazed area of the entire side of the building, right?

[11:22] That's what I was saying.

[11:23] That's what I was saying.

[11:24] But I was kind of looking at right here.

[11:28] So there are, there are two of the wall signs.

[11:32] Three.

[11:33] I'm sorry.

[11:34] There's three cut

[11:38] through area, the street facing area, parking lot.

[11:42] I think, you know, and they've done such a terrific job with the SNAT, this isn't great,

[11:47] but they've done such a terrific job with the signage on the new daycare facility,

[11:52] you know, the Mally's location, that ice, I really would encourage you to not think about an

[11:58] alternative to it.

[12:12] The daycare, and we went around and ran with the SNAT at the daycare. I think

[12:17] we had two meetings for that. I missed that, but whatever you did, it worked, it looked terrific.

[12:23] So this application is for one sign.

[12:28] I think it mentions all three, but I don't know.

[12:31] Well, it mentions, I think, all three of the wall signs.

[12:35] It didn't mention the window signs, but it

[12:37] sounds like she wasn't aware that it needed to.

[12:41] But it does give the three locations.

[12:44] Actually, I work with it.

[12:45] There.

[12:46] Parking lot facing.

[12:47] Oh, I think that's the big difference on her.

[12:54] Yeah, and it does show it a diagrammatic area.

[12:56] We've got the picture, but the narrative

[12:59] below the picture is what does it and then it's time says on the application.

[13:04] You have a case refers to the drawing but the drawing narrative does the same

[13:07] thing about the window.

[13:17] I've been there a year so I just took over the

[13:21] least though last month. Yeah, yeah. You're probably ready for sandwich.

[13:28] I have no idea. It's hard to find us but yeah we're growing fast and it's a good

[13:34] thing. So you

[13:38] want to make a motion then to prove the wall sign, wall sign, so only a second.

[13:46] Were you making the motion? I guess I was. Okay, but that was the motion. So I'm sorry I'll

[13:51] take a second to clarify then your proposing that we come back for the window signage. Yes.

[14:00] Well then do you want to wait to make the motions so that she doesn't have to like fully reapply?

[14:05] I don't want to. Was it ever too easy for the applicant? I would think it would be easiest,

[14:10] probably to come back with the other ones. I mean you kind of know they're

[14:14] gonna approve the other signage, right? But that way you don't need to

[14:18] resubmit an entire fee, at least that's how I think about it. I don't know

[14:22] how you feel. So you're amending and... That way you can just amend your

[14:26] application if you're going to have to come back anyway. That way you don't have

[14:30] to redo the fee and everything. Yeah so just add the new proposal, the new

[14:37] renderings and then whatever you just maybe you can take the feedback that was

[14:41] provided and decide what you want to do and then come back with the final mock-ups

[14:45] of what you're hoping to have. Okay. Does that work? Yeah that worked. But I would

[14:50] really discourage you from putting that lavender on that whole last panel. I think

[14:56] you're not going to be happy and we're not going to prove it.

[15:00] No, that's fine with me.

[15:04] But you have to, you have to find some way to make it stand out. Yeah, you're just a logo in the upper third of that panel. Probably, probably pretty good. There's a lot of downright on it as well. So it kind of washes over that. And I was actually, that's crazy. I was going to skip the decals and Dan kind of talked me into it. Now I'm thinking, is it just going to be repetitive? Because I'm going to have the sign at the top and the sign at the bottom. It would be exactly the same thing. Definitely repetitive.

[15:30] So maybe we don't need that.

[15:33] Well, if you decide not to do it, they could move to it.

[15:35] And then we could just do it.

[15:36] And then later, if you decided you wanted them,

[15:38] you could come back with another application in a year.

[15:40] Yeah, see what they look like now.

[15:42] In that case, we could approve the wall science tonight.

[15:44] Yeah, why don't we just do that?

[15:46] I'm texting everybody out.

[15:47] Yeah, let's just do that.

[15:50] Because I, yeah, I'll just skip them.

[15:53] I'll skip the window decals for now.

[15:55] And if I change my mind, I'll come back with a new application.

[15:58] Okay, so should we stick with the original?

[16:02] So we have no drawing for the window signs.

[16:07] Anyway, so we're essentially approving.

[16:11] I propose that we approve three wall signs for reconciling.

[16:18] Second.

[16:18] That's submitted.

[16:19] Do we need to amend that?

[16:22] It says Detroit and there should be clear.

[16:26] Yeah, yeah, you mean on the application it said that. No, no, we're good. Okay. Yeah, I wonder what the history of that is originally I got a feeling of total hunch that the window signs went in initially.

[16:40] And you miss them. You don't see the window. They don't add that much. They don't communicate that well. I wonder if they put the wall signs up later.

[16:49] Okay, I'm going to call roll for the motion.

[16:52] Tom said that.

[16:53] Yes.

[16:53] Sarah Burns, Meyer.

[16:54] Yes.

[16:54] Craig.

[16:57] Kowalski.

[16:58] Kowalski.

[16:58] Yes.

[16:59] Okay.

[17:01] Okay, great.

[17:02] And then you can continue.

[17:04] Or I don't know if you want to adjourn.

[17:06] You wanted to continue your thoughts on that.

[17:09] That was it.

[17:10] Okay.

[17:12] We're adjourned.

[17:14] Okay.

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