[0:00] We have now started our street on this right. Yeah, we have.

[0:07] No, Randy's number two. Yeah.

[0:16] Yeah, we're good.

[0:22] The member city council meeting.

[0:25] We have myself and council member.

[0:28] After we're going to, we're trying to wait.

[0:31] Council representative should be there immediately.

[0:33] We have turned the time to instrument the all-break world

[0:40] there,

[0:44] but that's not a serious

[0:47] process.

[0:49] I should turn it there because it's a very arsenal that you don't need a body to grow

[0:52] to action.

[0:53] You don't know what I have.

[0:54] It doesn't seem to be a little bit curious of my wife's hand on measuring things.

[1:23] If you're calling me in a bunch of meetings, I'd like to do these things too as I hope

[1:28] the United States of America and do the Epolyne for which it stands, one nation, another

[1:35] I ended up in this little facility and just in straw.

[1:41] What about the little one?

[1:43] Is that baby crying?

[1:44] No, no, it's good.

[1:48] Gab, I'm just a short thought, as I, as all the things that have been going on in the last month or so,

[1:58] I was sitting, I don't even remember where I was, but I think somewhere I had a dollar bill in my hand.

[2:04] And I was just contemplating kind of what was happening in our community and kind of around the world.

[2:13] And I was just looking at this dollar bill.

[2:17] And I noticed on the little sill in the Eglist mouth, the words, the sort of a signal.

[2:26] And I'm like, what does that mean?

[2:28] So I looked it up really quick and it means out of many one and I thought that, that kind of means something right now.

[2:39] I had watched our community come together during the fires.

[2:43] I'd watched our community come together during the floods.

[2:48] And I hope to see that continue on but it meant enough that I actually wrote it down.

[2:57] And I went and looked up a little bit as a original, originally was from the 13 colonies from

[3:05] me one nation, 12 of those 13 colonies, from and one nation.

[3:10] And it was the de facto model for the United States, and it was on the great cell of the United

[3:15] States.

[3:16] Since then, the Congress has adopted a in-godly trust as the national model for a while.

[3:23] That was kind of the de facto model.

[3:25] So, I just thought that was a good thing for us here at this point in time is out of many run and that's it.

[3:47] On for some interest, I'm going to see you in the agenda.

[3:51] I am the treasurer or the orange-wise non-club that is hunter or you mayor.

[4:02] Does that job name pretty well under?

[4:13] I'm sorry, I'm trying to hurry and add this.

[4:24] What's the table of public comment into the end?

[4:28] We have representatives from the 4-H Club here to present.

[4:35] 4-H Club.

[4:36] 4-H Club.

[4:37] 4-H Club.

[4:51] 5-H Club.

[4:53] 5-H Club.

[4:54] 5-H Club.

[4:55] 5-H Club.

[4:58] 5-H Club.

[5:00] 5-H Club.

[5:02] We are one thank you for helping us fund our animals prior to this year, we are one

[5:11] thing if you guys would like to help fund it again. This year we have 85 kids in the 142

[5:17] animals. That's a record member for how many animals we have.

[5:23] And we've been doing service for you funding us

[5:34] and thank you

[5:40] for.

[5:43] So what do you do? What do you do at the bridge?

[5:46] Just everybody do different things or...

[5:50] We all have different projects. I'm showing a lamb.

[5:56] I too.

[5:59] We have stairs, pigs and goats, what do you guys want to call out if you're doing

[6:06] very positive?

[6:08] How does that happen?

[6:09] What is happening?

[6:13] I've asked them to write them for you.

[6:17] I intend to go to a boat and then I show you three things, and then I just let them

[6:23] go.

[6:23] Show them.

[6:25] Go ahead.

[6:27] I am a co-worker. This is an introduction.

[6:32] I'm going to be staring to your hands.

[6:36] I do a nutshell. We're talking about Bill.

[6:46] What's the best animal?

[6:47] I'm like, flipping, sholly,

[6:51] anything, but lambs, anything, but lambs.

[6:54] And then he talks about it and they said,

[6:58] "- In the cell and where democracy be we're supporting our cell, we have a big support system for our kids

[7:06] and we're going to participate."

[7:08] And the type of thing in my project, they had a clean out barrier by their needs.

[7:16] Not very, they're also the officers that they feel they have a lot.

[7:19] I'm going to try and go out with them.

[7:21] They're actually trying to make sure they want to talk to us.

[7:23] And they have to clean up on Saturday.

[7:26] They're the county.

[7:28] We've done the county there.

[7:30] So, they tried to do support. We tried to do in-kind and volunteer service boards for the committee.

[7:45] To take care of what the police come from.

[7:48] As far as I want to, I'm not sure if it says a thousand before, but they're asking for $1,500 this year, because they got more animals.

[7:55] We have more animals, and there is also, there's a lot of things that this person has picked

[8:01] or is that our point is able to, like, do you have a point this year, and so, first, wondering

[8:06] it, who's the other person's number level, the one who's in some of our cake dorms, because of that,

[8:10] things that have to do with a summer that, if we could, hopefully, get up soon.

[8:15] And really, the support goes, like, I know, I get to all those in terms of, I need for

[8:20] colleges and stuff and they will be able to go to college. This is their summer job. So a lot

[8:28] of people write a two job, look at two jobs. It works in business and so it supports centers

[8:35] growing and stuff like that. Should we want to teach the kids that working is important to

[8:41] be in your magazine to place that one kind. And it's not just to ambush us all of it.

[8:49] It

[8:50] You say you have a record number, you can just put it in the shirt.

[8:53] So, which is really cool, David, but it's hard work, and it's, I have a culture to

[8:59] see around a lot of possible, because I have a culture going down, but we have one more

[9:03] kid, a friend of the sheriff's law.

[9:05] The Korean's been working with my kids here since February, and now it's started on tour.

[9:12] So, it is a nice, long-term event, and it's just not as separate.

[9:16] It's one of those other warnings that I want, or you get a lot of calls.

[9:19] But

[9:23] we have a lot of things for our kids to have this project, we appreciate it, we appreciate it.

[9:29] We appreciate you guys doing it absolutely.

[9:38] Okay, any other members of the council have any questions?

[9:46] I recognize you guys.

[9:48] Hey, the ring raise, we're in a student there and a lot of all of us with us that happen.

[9:54] And we can't even enter as a student.

[9:56] We are very generous, but we should get a work to wrap up.

[9:59] So the

[10:04] request is 1,500, any additional discussion from the council,

[10:19] there are motion, I'll make that motion, can we approve a 1,500?

[10:24] I'll segment.

[10:26] Motion from council member Cox and second from council member Allbright on

[10:31] favor.

[10:41] Thank you.

[10:43] Thank you.

[10:46] Thank you.

[10:47] is

[10:51] any women in the room moved to a gender item six flood fire

[10:59] high is our good friend Amy women Amy how are you I'm good and it's actually

[11:04] Amy way mad M a M a M a M at the end

[11:09] way man way man way man way man way man so I'm actually from my

[11:19] So, I just wanted to come in and say thank you to all of you guys for all of you guys who does.

[11:24] This summer because I know you probably don't get that thanks when I start getting emotional though.

[11:29] We respect community too.

[11:32] Because most of you guys I've had your children at school and I love those kids and I love this community.

[11:40] And I just, I had an idea and I don't even know how we would go about it but I thought that it would be a nice thing to have a billboard on both sides of the street.

[11:49] way. Thank you. Everybody who's been supporting us because it's not just our community

[11:55] it's the whole state and so I don't know how we'd go out that I don't know if there's

[12:02] billboards already from the city or the county or if that was something that we needed to look into

[12:09] or if we need to defund race for that or whatever it was just an idea I had one night that I thought

[12:14] would be a nice thing because, um, or the next two to five years, we're probably going to need

[12:20] some more support and then for telling everybody, hey, thanks for all that you've done,

[12:24] we'll probably get more support. And I don't know if that's a crazy idea, but I just,

[12:34] you like it. I love it. Okay. That's a great idea. Well, I was talking to, just

[12:39] heat out at school, but I was going to say, Council will tell everyone that I like it. I don't

[12:43] level of the fever, but you guys are by community too, self. I just didn't know that it's

[12:49] something that you guys can do.

[12:53] Amy, it may take us a little bit to brainstorm how to make

[12:56] that happen, but it's a great idea.

[12:59] Okay. Well, I don't know what's going to take a while. I don't know if you guys have other

[13:02] things to do right now, but I just thought we were probably located for everybody to see

[13:09] I know I heard that I was able to come help with your racist day of service because I had a family matter to take care of back Eastern, but I heard it was so well organized, so well supported and I see that we always forget somebody to tell me you too.

[13:27] And so it's on both sides of the freeway everybody's got to tell me.

[13:31] So, I just wanted to let you know that we do appreciate what you guys are doing, and you know, I have got away all over the state and they have told me to tell you guys to, how but, because they're like, those are all your friends down there.

[13:46] are they, they really admire how our community is handled, what's been going on, so I just

[13:56] know you guys probably don't get the thing to not see there, so I just wanted to put that

[14:01] out there for you guys to, anyway, that's why you did it, anyway, thank you for your time,

[14:08] appreciate it.

[14:09] Thank you.

[14:10] Thank you.

[14:11] We're working, we just make a note of that idea and we can brainstorm and make that.

[14:16] Yes sir, I just noted it.

[14:18] So we're hanging here on the fourth letter of our minds.

[14:27] The Gen. Item 7, the Business Relief Fundraiser, is this with Robin Mollon?

[14:34] Oh, it looks like we have some other faults in the room. Come on up again.

[14:37] It's childhood, it's a bit of an EV-hender spin, and we're going to have a Robert, she can't be here.

[14:44] And we're going to help with the business really, but that's all you know.

[14:49] We've had um, last two hours and some time now I'm just going down in the cell.

[14:53] A lot of businesses have been struggling a little bit, even mine.

[14:56] But I work for it.

[14:58] And so we'd like to help be able to say,

[15:00] Point them, an idea is to have a pop-up market included with a graphall and a movie night, and we

[15:07] charge for them to help raise money for these businesses.

[15:12] And today, we're asking you to

[15:15] have this pop-up market, and we would like to be able to use your brilliant right here in the

[15:21] grassy area, but we not so in the construction, our date right now is hopefully September 3rd,

[15:28] Is it something to be under construction?

[15:31] Yes.

[15:32] It is scheduled for continued construction.

[15:34] Kind of put a pause on it with the emergency location with the volunteers and things like that.

[15:39] You can see now.

[15:41] It's got lots of water on it.

[15:43] You know, we're slowly dissipating that.

[15:45] But it is still scheduled for construction into the fall.

[15:50] Okay.

[15:53] So with the glass area over by the football field,

[16:00] So I believe on September 3rd is the soccer game that may be the one on Main Street.

[16:09] Like by the post offices.

[16:11] No, they're starting to draw some Sonya names.

[16:14] Yeah.

[16:14] Yeah, it comes from a driving path.

[16:17] That's nice.

[16:18] That's nice.

[16:19] Okay.

[16:20] That's okay.

[16:20] So we probably look for it.

[16:22] That's a good spot.

[16:23] That would be nice.

[16:25] I think it's also on coming with that.

[16:27] Yes.

[16:28] It's okay.

[16:30] I also was with dirt over by the front box.

[16:33] That little dirt area behind that field of dirt.

[16:36] Where the volleyball nets are.

[16:40] The dirt area.

[16:41] Time never seen the volleyball nets up.

[16:42] But we were thinking like the north side.

[16:44] Where you guys had the firefighters station.

[16:47] How would you like your show?

[16:49] Across the street.

[16:50] And across the street.

[16:51] Or even in the fourth leg.

[16:53] For the spring storm and ideas.

[16:55] The property across the street from Netflix, yeah, that could be a viable update in that box.

[17:01] We also considered maybe a minor part.

[17:04] I know that's not a main street.

[17:06] A minor part has a billion, sounds like you can bring it a ban.

[17:11] And, you know, they would at least have that cover of the building,

[17:14] and then plenty of grass areas.

[17:15] So that could be a lot of activity.

[17:16] That's true.

[17:17] And the city owns that.

[17:18] So yeah, that could be an option as well.

[17:21] Okay, I don't know.

[17:21] Sorry.

[17:26] We did talk about the foreclutch map.

[17:29] If that's not so pretty bad.

[17:35] How many things can you handle that the foreclutch that we can?

[17:38] Not the time to count them in there.

[17:41] That's good work.

[17:43] But they're commitment that we have to have.

[17:45] Do this.

[17:46] Or pay fee.

[17:48] Talk about the foreclutch as far as turning the screen.

[17:51] Like this is a bit of a market.

[17:52] Yeah, can they only the farmers market?

[18:02] I would say, guys, I would say there's a couple of flags for the Pioneer Park.

[18:11] Okay.

[18:12] We will have those.

[18:14] Okay.

[18:15] Thank you.

[18:16] Here,

[18:22] agenda item number eight, accounts and minutes, accounts and meetings, minutes from the 14th, and the 20th of July.

[18:32] Any additional discussion?

[18:37] Is there a motion to approve?

[18:41] I'm asking the way to approve the minutes.

[18:44] I'll second that.

[18:46] So motion by council member Allbright, second by council member All in favor.

[18:51] Aye.

[18:54] Any opposed?

[18:59] The agenda item nine, the approval of bills from July 14th through August 10th, Council members are working.

[19:09] Yeah, total bills.

[19:10] It was a big period.

[19:12] Their money going out was $1.792 million dollars.

[19:16] A lot of this is coming from bond payments for different bonds.

[19:26] In 2016, electric revenue bond was one of them, and there was the sales 2021 and 2017

[19:34] electric bond as well, then the other major check was the UAMS was just under $195,000.

[19:42] So a lot of money leaving the account that everything appears reasonable in order to

[19:54] anyone

[19:54] have any questions from me or did anything add to that?

[20:04] It's the

[20:07] last

[20:13] time we can tell you, this is the way we will put your sick

[20:20] opinions in ahead with that they had it, so it will, obviously, for

[20:33] questions or discussions,

[20:40] their motion to approve the bills from July 14th to August 10th,

[20:46] I'll make that motion.

[20:48] I'll second it.

[20:50] Motion by Council Member Gold.

[20:51] Second by Council Member Cox, all in favor.

[20:54] All right.

[20:55] Any opposed?

[21:01] The law until agenda item number 10.

[21:04] The underground river crossing funding.

[21:06] Remember, you got this one?

[21:07] Yeah.

[21:08] I do, Mayor.

[21:09] The initial assessment of the flooding.

[21:13] There was a pretty obvious emergency situation

[21:17] with our Baker Canyon Spring Line.

[21:19] They come right there by the road and so our friends at Jones-Demail did a fantastic little patch job for that line.

[21:30] But now we're needing to have a more permanent structure for that line so it's a little bit more obviously permanent and not going to repeat the same problem when the most loving comes.

[21:45] And so, Parker Bersonak is here at the microphone

[21:48] to kind of go through the process of what we're trying

[21:53] to accomplish with getting that line, what it needs

[21:57] to be structural.

[21:59] Thanks, Monty.

[22:00] And just adding a little more color to that introduction.

[22:05] So as you all are probably aware, the spring line

[22:07] was broken or cross-sleevered.

[22:10] We had an emergency meeting with several agencies,

[22:14] the Division of Granging Water was part of that. We had technical experts from them as well as

[22:19] they're funding financial folks. They've promised, you know, through conversations to help

[22:26] be your city, they've kind of got a three-pronged approach.

[22:30] You know, there are a little short on money, so that's why they've proposed that we approach this with three different funding packages to take care of the issues.

[22:42] So, what's on your agenda tonight? History view and contract for Jones and the military finish our design work.

[22:49] Not only for the underground river crossing,

[22:53] we want to take that overhead one, the washed out.

[22:55] We want to put it underground, make it more safe,

[22:58] more resilient for future.

[23:00] There's also some of the Baker Canyon,

[23:03] where the spring lines been washed out.

[23:06] We've got some emergency measures, time for the air.

[23:09] And then we know that there's an obvious weakness

[23:12] in the water system, in terms of the growth area,

[23:15] at the upper end of your pressure zone.

[23:18] We want to put in an emergency booster station that you'll be able to access some of the future.

[23:24] If you ever do have issues with the springs again, now you'll have a backup source.

[23:28] You'll be able to take water from your tanks out of the house and push it into the essentially a newly created pressure zone in an emergency situation.

[23:38] We were kind of in a unique spot when the growth flooded, water was out for a couple of days

[23:45] where we dealt with with the issue at hand and figured out the work around it.

[23:49] And then once we had the spring line put back in, they were still on your boil over for about another week,

[23:54] or we got water tests and everything put together.

[23:57] So this just adds more resiliency to your system.

[24:00] So the contract we got before you and this old estate supposed to send a letter right now.

[24:06] But we'll outline the funding terms for this 47,000 change.

[24:13] They're pulling this money out of what they call their planning money.

[24:18] So they call it planning advance.

[24:21] We were told and we expect that this will be 100% forgiveness,

[24:25] meaning a grant to the city to help pay for the engineering design.

[24:31] There's a little bit of construction management in that project as well.

[24:34] around face to just kind of looking down the road in two weeks there's a board being the city

[24:41] so far you can you can join virtually if you need to it's it'll likely be in Salt Lake

[24:47] down at Mount Boundal location yet but that's what we'll go ask for at $196,000 they were asking for

[24:54] in Mount Patio the first round of the work on the spring line repair that'll get us put

[25:00] ground, we just got a pullback from the contractor with around 300,000, but we're

[25:06] grabbed the order code in there likely after late, and we'll do that as part of the

[25:11] EWP project, and for your attitude that pay for it. So there's we're some

[25:16] jogging of money, there's no poor funding agencies involved, but that's where

[25:20] drinking water could help. On short term, the beauty with that funding package,

[25:24] Again, it's supposed to be our grant, we are case a little bit to the board bar and see what they can do for us.

[25:33] But that'll be on the 25th, and then the third package will be one of the long term improvements.

[25:38] So that booster station, and then anything else that we will capture will system.

[25:42] It needs to be long term.

[25:45] But when we need for that to be the intercept temperature.

[25:48] So we'll clear up in the next couple of weeks.

[25:50] our priorities for drinking water and then ask for money there. So that's kind of what we're

[25:55] right now and then what we can expect. But the 47,000 should get us designed through

[26:03] all three systems of the booster station that under period, it could take me over at crossing

[26:08] underground and then the protection on the 300 ground, crossings that are washed out. And just to

[26:13] confirm this initial 47,000 change ask is going to be through a reimbursement process with the

[26:26] This is all looking at being underground, that's right, it's even under the river.

[26:33] Yes, we want to push it under your river, we'll put it in a casing on the river and hopefully have something that will pass.

[26:41] You know, get through the next big flood exactly, next several big floods.

[26:47] Do we still, Parker, do we still have Baker Canyon's spring water turned out of the system just flowing into the river?

[26:53] It's my understanding that the very top spring is still turned out, and then you know if

[27:00] we're really turning that back in what we've been working on.

[27:04] Okay.

[27:05] I know there have been up there working on it.

[27:06] When we went last week, it was still exposed.

[27:10] I guess that's what we can have to go now.

[27:11] We were there.

[27:14] But yeah, it sounds like there's a good chance of where they've been there.

[27:17] I mean, Chad has been able to get into some work, so it could be back in now.

[27:21] in the in the process of addressing that. Okay. And even in the back there. So, I mean, we've done some very short term remedial actions, but long term, the pipe is still been impacted by folders and debris.

[27:36] So that's kind of what we're looking at is, you know, what how much pipe needs to be cut out in a place where we need to do to protect it. So it doesn't, you know, accept it for future damage.

[27:46] Again, we understand that, from the next decade likely, there's there's risk.

[27:52] We want to minimize that risk to the water system itself.

[27:55] If there's continued erosion in the future, we want to be able to mitigate that.

[28:00] We know a lot of the mitigations in the country, the EWP program.

[28:03] But if we can get in and use the drinking water money to cut out for about a second

[28:07] to use new pieces in, in case it, you put ballasts or, you know, other protected measures

[28:15] around it to make it more sustainable than we can come in with the WP and put the grip

[28:20] wrap and kind of finish the project out.

[28:35] I can't remember who I forward with the contact information, but Stan Summers with USDA is, I

[28:43] talk to him over at the one Utah Summit, he suggested that there may be some money available

[28:48] through USDA, there's so many conversations and so many different agencies and organizations

[28:55] I can't remember who I've talked to and who I am, but have we been aware or pursuing

[29:02] any funding through the USDA?

[29:05] So, not on our end yet, but there's kind of two reasons, one, to my understanding USDA's

[29:11] money until September when their fiscal year turns over and then too and we're going to

[29:19] use a lot of federal money but federal money is a pain. If we have access to state money

[29:23] we're right now the state stepped up and said that they should be able to fund state.

[29:28] It's just a lot easier to access. It's easier for you to manage. There's a lot less strings

[29:34] attached to the other side of that too. Even if we end up taking a loan if we don't get

[29:40] grant from the state. You know, if we can qualify for the act like through U.S. D.A. World

[29:45] Development, that's an emergency water source grant. I can't remember what the exact

[29:51] acronym is, but that's an emergency source of funding. That one is all grant, just for some

[29:59] context.

[30:14] I think we want to look at that to

[30:30] But right now, through the spring protection, I think we've got our basis covered with the state money.

[30:36] I think the World Conversations and some of the stuff that's probably next on the agenda,

[30:42] we want to be well-connected for an angle to work into that U.S. dear,

[30:45] quite a funding if we can.

[30:55] In a motion to improve the contract as a present.

[30:59] Correct.

[31:06] Is there a motion to approve?

[31:07] I'll make a motion, second,

[31:12] so a motion to a through by Council Member Cox, second by Council

[31:16] Member Low, fallen favor, aye,

[31:20] aye, aye opposed,

[31:26] sounds great, guys, thank you, and I think

[31:29] are you going to help us with agenda item number 11, the secondary water strategy discussion.

[31:36] We have a Darren Robertson here, Mayor, and I'll just give a brief background.

[31:45] For the council, this is also your memorandum, but obviously, as you guys know, the surface

[31:52] water source to our P.I. irrigation pond has been compromised, and the debris coming

[32:01] into the pond is not healthy for it.

[32:03] Our attempts to divert it are ongoing, they'll continue to be ongoing for years to come,

[32:10] You know, frequent, dreading and cleaning the water as best we can, but all of those issues

[32:17] are leading to conversations with with Jones at the mill and others to find future

[32:25] more long-term plans for our pressurized irrigation system, because it's been evident that

[32:36] That system is putting a lot of unneeded and unnecessary stress on our culinary system.

[32:42] And so, making efforts to create a long-term plan that involves assessing our current wells,

[32:51] potentially rehabbing those wells, potentially looking at purchasing existing wells

[32:56] or potentially drilling new wells as all in the table right now.

[33:00] As we look for a long-term solution,

[33:03] It's a little bit more of a bulletproof than just only relying on the surface wire as we all

[33:10] know, it's been compromised and so Darren, Jones Demill, has been spearheading those efforts

[33:16] as far as our long-term plan and he's here to talk about that.

[33:20] Thanks, Moly.

[33:22] This is first.

[33:23] We're there any questions from what Moly said, and then what was in the, in the Council

[33:28] packets from here.

[33:36] Maybe just a little bit more background, so back in 2010, 11ish. We engage

[33:44] at the city, a lot of ground water, just to study, focusing on the radio and equally

[33:51] I just try to understand where those contaminants were and which, where we could drill

[33:56] any while. We ended up drilling, where we could say the drill any while at the North Creek.

[34:00] The hydrogen geologists that we had on that was part of our team to do that work was John Files with Cascade Water.

[34:08] He's got a lot of history with the city, he put together a very detailed hydrogen logic study, which is basically

[34:16] It outlines your desk where you, your most productive water areas are and also from all the samples

[34:27] that we wrote to it in the city to take, we try to identify where the spikes in these radio

[34:35] for example, the Ministry of Health had exceeded the maximum contamination level or rate of

[34:45] equiids, set by the EPA, so that's one of these way your Ministry of Health is all under

[34:49] the colored water system. So still a pre-dated source of water for PI type use, but there have

[35:00] And then some tests come back that exceeded the maximum potential level.

[35:06] So we put together that study and identified that the chance for the highest quality water

[35:12] and best quality water and in a building wall, the more it's required, the city also needed

[35:17] another source to disturb that zone, you have different pressures on your system, and so also

[35:26] I don't find that study or other as strong as the best chance for high-quality water.

[35:34] And that's basically a beautiful vision and more self-wine for industry well.

[35:39] After the cemetery wall at North Creek, there's kind of this higher transmission.

[35:43] If you're higher yielding, it's actually going to be on water.

[35:47] I don't know if you're targeting 2,000 yields per way or something.

[35:52] that's where we, you know, we would advise the drill. So all that data is still relevant, I guess

[35:59] is what I'm saying. The city has a lot of information when you're looking at what to do with

[36:07] your current water situation. I got an update from John Piles who did that original study and his

[36:15] It was that based on ground water monitoring wells, your ground water offer continues to decline over the last 20 years.

[36:27] It's just been a slow decline so that your level of where that ground water sets is slowly dropped off.

[36:35] And so in his words, it's not sustainable for the University to drill additional wells in

[36:42] your groundwater off the floor to supplement PI for other than emergency needs.

[36:50] So if we know that we're going to have debris coming down the canyon for the next number

[36:56] of years, we've seen as many as 10 years before our firm stars heal up enough to where you

[37:03] get all the debris. There should be come last for very year,

[37:09] but so that's going to be something

[37:11] the city needs to plan for and try to get structures in place to build that. But from in our opinion,

[37:20] depending with higher geologists, it wouldn't be a wise thing for the city to fully replace that

[37:27] water with groundwater.

[37:30] We'll put your COVID water sources at risk. We spent a lot of time with FEMA today, and that's what

[37:36] can be explained is that one of our concerns is not only water quality in your aquifer, but also

[37:43] quality. If we poll it to heavily on the higher quality, the portions of your aquifer where

[37:50] the radio and e-clias levels are lower,

[37:54] you don't know what could happen, but one particular

[37:57] come as it could call some of those contaminants, the radio nuclei, it's toward those areas where

[38:04] you're pulling heavily. And that's not a easy fix. It's, we don't want that happen city.

[38:11] So that's another, it's a theoretical risk, but it's still a risk. So in our opinion, we want

[38:20] to help the city make the best decision to come up with a sustainable solution. And we do believe

[38:26] that pumping occasionally to supplement the PIS system is would be okay but to consider

[38:38] pumping 24-7 for all radiation season. We don't think that's a good long term or

[38:45] sustainable solution. That's not something we would recommend.

[38:54] So, we, you know, I look at Malsain fruit, which we talked about it, Malsain fruit is, you still have, that river's going to continue for like all this has, it's just chocolate milk sometimes, chocolate milk shake,

[39:10] but it's going to continue as well.

[39:12] So as we talk to FEMA, as we talk to your CS,

[39:16] let's find the agency, how can we, what funding park

[39:21] can we pull in leverage and make it urgent to put

[39:26] in something in place where you can go back

[39:28] to the burning herbal water and then clean it up

[39:31] as much as you can, and also have the ability to turn it

[39:34] out when we get our rainstorm to be able to go up there

[39:39] turn it out so it's not impacting your palm like happened yesterday,

[39:47] so that in our mind is the

[39:49] lost aim for to lead on, by the agencies, let's give it a version back in there, let's put some

[39:57] some settlement handling debris handling structures in the head of the canal, some big slew structures,

[40:03] And we've been successful, those on other, on other fire impacted fire sheds.

[40:11] There's one point, I think, just about Mary's Beltound, that's, what a great fact.

[40:16] The old Mary just told me, two days ago, I'm telling you, how long haven't the gut flows.

[40:25] You're going to be dealing with some dirty water that you're accustomed to.

[40:30] have to proceed. People will roll the next number of years. So we need to try to come up

[40:36] the best solution. In my mind, that's the law saying fruit was to do all we came with

[40:41] the river and there's some temporary things that's probably just as well being fruit would

[40:48] be. Were you having some of the existing laws that are currently not being used yet too

[40:52] wells? You have the cemetery well that you used to pump into the system. It's was a thousand

[40:58] You need 3,000 gallons per minute to really make a dead.

[41:05] Assembly Terry Wells and another one that when the city cruise turned that on, it

[41:12] captivated.

[41:13] So, the water was dropped all of the, it sucked air into the boat, so it was, it was

[41:23] Soging and water. And from what I recall that, that well, maybe 500 gallons per minute produced

[41:32] by the sand. So there may be some options to lower, some pump settings, clean up,

[41:41] some wells, do some due to those units from a lower cost. But 1500 gallons per minute available

[41:47] to P.I. with those two existing laws that are not being used for public purposes.

[41:53] American, on a temporary basis, just as need is not 24-7, and I'll pick that B-wise

[41:59] for the city to draw on that, that proceed off for 24-7 during your admission season.

[42:07] Other options, you can draw a replacement well in those pre-the-local fairies and

[42:13] But why do you, why do you, why do you well with all two better standards?

[42:20] You know, capacity is 2,000 gallon per minute well there.

[42:25] We could design that to call it a standard.

[42:29] So, it could be used for either order, what's appropriate,

[42:31] call me in the building.

[42:33] So, you could, it could be a future call in your well.

[42:36] could be used for your P.I. to a very kind of emergency period.

[42:43] So there's a number of options there.

[42:45] As we talked about to you, there's a little more urgent fee minutes.

[42:50] This is urgent, but we want the city, we want to help the city

[42:55] make the best decision here about jumping to something that

[42:59] works for a lot of money in.

[43:02] And to kind of go off about initially we thought that's hurry, hurry, hurry, get something

[43:07] this season but that's now, you know, hurry. And then as we thought more about that,

[43:14] and as Jones Mimil was helping us think through that, whatever we do, whatever we decide,

[43:22] the city is going to live with years to come. And so we don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves.

[43:28] So you don't want to act in haste.

[43:31] We want to do this right.

[43:34] And Jones Demill has been extremely helpful

[43:37] and helping us understand that.

[43:38] We'll realize that.

[43:40] But the funding that we're going to,

[43:42] we want to cross all our keys and dot our eyes

[43:44] and do everything we can to tie some of this emergency disaster

[43:48] funding to this.

[43:50] But there's no guarantee that that's going to be the case.

[43:54] That's going to happen.

[43:55] So I really wanted you guys to understand

[43:57] from this point of view, you know, all the, all the details that John's

[44:05] note can help explain and understand how it's understand, because this may

[44:09] be something that we consider as capital project in the air future, as

[44:13] be a city may need to fund quite a bit of this. So I see it as that important,

[44:19] you know, to our water system. You know, the PI's one thing, but then when it

[44:25] it's affecting our culinary as it has and as it will, it's pretty serious, so we need to

[44:31] start considering that as far as funding goes, hopefully we get something to help us, but it's

[44:38] no guarantee.

[44:50] Further discussion from the council, I think that that's a good update and kind of a description

[44:56] and a definition from how we're balancing.

[45:00] Yes, I would just say I appreciate Darren Parker and I have been partners of Jones and Mill for sort of talking us off the road to helping us to calm down a little bit.

[45:15] When I sat in a conversation, it was extremely helpful and it's nice, it's nice to have

[45:22] the confidence in a partner that will help us see clearly, so thank you guys.

[45:29] And I think we're on the right track personally, I do think that this is an issue that we're

[45:33] going to need to address moving into next irrigation system or next irrigation season.

[45:42] So, may any other questions from any members of the council?

[45:48] So, Bill said that it was working really soon.

[45:53] Oh yeah, how does that do that?

[45:55] It's good.

[45:57] So, if you picture a large concrete, well,

[46:01] the way that the version's decided you're important,

[46:04] so you tried a lot of the better ones heavy rock,

[46:07] that I was super luck by,

[46:09] to take out the water a little off the floor,

[46:12] with a river, kind of horizontal, and then what ends up in there can have this long concrete

[46:19] channel that starts narrowing why it's impedance. And for this black canal that would be

[46:27] going to be large of them. And you try to, you slow the water down enough to where that material

[46:34] the cell town, but the bottom of that one, it's like the one, reverse one.

[46:42] At the bottom, you have a big solution. So what is the set of the Greeks in a certain

[46:46] level? You need to have a lot of them ahead, where you have a such mind here where it seems

[46:52] that material that leads to a certain level, that source gate opens, that pipe goes back

[46:57] to the river so you can get the cells, smooths is back to the river, you can see it.

[47:03] you're still in the kind of color you put on the color you put on the color.

[47:08] You don't need to be off the one.

[47:10] Oh, you don't have to build shape, you don't have to design it.

[47:13] Plus growing options.

[47:16] So yeah that's how I was working with Nick.

[47:20] It's just like, yes, and all.

[47:22] We all had time.

[47:23] Also that smooth, that big, so you can now get to video on how big maybe you'd be building with it.

[47:31] When that opens, just the head of the water,

[47:34] in June of 12th year of water come,

[47:38] that is pushes all that out,

[47:40] and it uses the water, the river just scallors,

[47:44] everything out of that concrete channel,

[47:46] bigger, much more, scallorating out,

[47:49] the smooths need out the pipe to the back of the river.

[47:53] So right there, like where the bridge is,

[47:57] where we have the right of the water,

[47:59] you can now pay for what that emergency space is right in there.

[48:04] You can visit with very high and back to the river.

[48:07] We save all that settlement back to the system.

[48:12] And depending on how dirty it is, it may upgrade multiple times a day.

[48:20] Once, you know, there are clear periods, once a week.

[48:25] There are still other structures that can head up and head up like the air swells.

[48:30] Some majority of them, we can help by that by the cities, you guys want to put some of them, but just be larger.

[48:39] We probably also need a big, just a big.

[48:43] Some of the channels that can spare value, but buyers don't need a big, big, big channels that just deepen and widen it.

[48:51] Like, 25 feet.

[48:55] It's big soundwaves. It's basically a trap.

[48:58] I mean you have to go in and graduate with every screen.

[49:01] I mean, you have to see that just saves that from, it's super big out of it, we have

[49:07] to have a whole week, get a new one, and so I think it could be all of those in your situation.

[49:13] Plus, it's really long.

[49:14] It's a version of the target.

[49:16] There's something I haven't done long, and it's straight off, and the volume of the green.

[49:22] Is that what I said about that on the system?

[49:23] Does that all go to their PI over there?

[49:27] You know, it's a bit wrong.

[49:30] So, one of one of them is, like,

[49:32] to the townspeople to have to clean their filters

[49:35] and their systems way more often,

[49:37] since that's happened,

[49:40] or the irony of one can also look at the department.

[49:47] It's something people are going to have to do.

[49:50] They're passing two probably both coarser screens,

[49:52] might have to change some screens in their beds. This is a new reality. Yeah, unfortunately,

[49:59] this is one of how we could get because people are going to need to know that here. That's

[50:04] a good idea. When we need to get some balance, we get a period out of getting the information out,

[50:08] so people at least smell, and guarantee there's people that don't even know they have a filter.

[50:45] for a little while, probably, but that water is so important that a lot of the reasons

[50:50] to put it in the system, but I'll put pressure strain on your culinary. It also, it also

[50:57] replaces your gal water by putting that through an irrigating, it just adds to your

[51:02] the whole system. So, I get it, thank you.

[51:11] Any other questions?

[51:11] I

[51:20] thank you very much, you.

[51:23] Thanks, guys.

[51:24] Thank you.

[51:28] I'll see you in the morning.

[51:30] Well, yes.

[51:34] On

[51:42] to agenda item 12, the general plan discussion.

[51:50] Yes, thank you, Mayor.

[51:52] I've been in contact with Kevin Smithley over the last little bit.

[51:59] have a few conversations and I appreciate Kevin for coming, making the drive up and saying

[52:04] George, I believe Kevin works as a community advisor with a five county association

[52:11] of governments.

[52:13] Like I said, we've recently discussed improvements to our general plan.

[52:18] And with the fire and floods and kind of the new priorities that we're dealing with as a city.

[52:24] I can't think of a better time to look at our general plan, the last.

[52:30] The one that we, though, is currently in use, is from 1994. There has been, I see paper trails in our

[52:38] after-ribe and looking at, there have been attempts and efforts made to re-vent the plan as soon as, as

[52:47] as recent as 2021, but none of these have been approved as far as the finalization of the new plan. And so, we've got a good

[52:54] start, but now with some of the things that we're dealing with as a city right now Kevin's

[53:01] call and the conversation with Kevin was very timely. So thank Kevin, I'll turn it off.

[53:06] I'll give you a quick question. Yeah, so I was on planning in Zoning, we actually did a whole

[53:11] bunch. Do you know what I'm saying? That in 2021? Yeah, and apparently I didn't go through, didn't

[53:18] get approved by the city council. We have, do we have what? Yes, yes, yes. We have a lot of work.

[53:24] Yeah, so we can do that in our information.

[53:27] Okay, that's a story that we haven't.

[53:30] Okay, a lot of good work is done.

[53:32] It just sounds like it was finalized.

[53:34] I don't think we can follow it.

[53:37] But as initiates the planning and zoning,

[53:40] like they'd say in and then you guys

[53:42] would approve what they'd recommend.

[53:45] Because as far as I understand how a general plan works,

[53:48] that initiates what the planning and zoning committee

[53:50] and then they would come to you guys for approval.

[53:53] So, I'm Kevin Smith, I was by county association government, like I've been a planner for many years.

[54:01] I retired and then I could only test on many reads, so I came back, so I get funding from this day.

[54:11] So, my job is to help communities update their general plan.

[54:15] So, my services are not cost of the community, and I work with the Planning Commission and the City Council.

[54:22] So, in being able to go through that process about taking the general plan, the handout

[54:29] I gave you just under on the back, general plan process, but the planning commission is

[54:36] the body under state law that develops the general plan at the end of that process, they

[54:43] hold the public hearing and then make a recommendation to the city council and then the

[54:52] with the general plan. So the general plan creates a clear vision for what you want to do as

[54:59] your community in whatever areas you want to do. And so part of my job is just to make sure

[55:07] that you're addressing the things that are important to the community and also making it so that

[55:14] it's one is 160 pages long that kind of defiance itself against being read. So to make it just

[55:22] simple that we can't to streamline it. There's a lot of information that kind of general

[55:28] plan is a little throughout that's inspirational that made in the 90s that everything was

[55:35] done with the general plan, a lot of minutia that doesn't need to be there, right? So information

[55:43] all that sort of thing. Well, that's music, that's a simple way, right? That's right. So I'm very

[55:51] and generally what I like to do is at some point have the city council give me the nod.

[56:00] I don't want to go down the road with a planning commission and then the city council just say,

[56:05] no, we don't want to do this. So how's that happening in the past?

[56:10] So I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.

[56:13] So, I have a question.

[56:16] Modern income housing element for some communities.

[56:19] Is that a certain kind of thing?

[56:21] Right, you're not required.

[56:23] It links to reach 10,000.

[56:25] It's a standard way to be part of that.

[56:27] Same for the water usage.

[56:29] Same for water.

[56:32] So, the requirements are when use and transportation, which are already in there.

[56:39] But then, anything you want to include, economic development, housing, any other

[56:45] And I made that kind of information and I did let through the minutes from the planning commission and saw that it kind of just curtailed in 2021.

[56:56] So I'm sure there's a lot of good work out there that's already been done.

[57:00] because of that, how you're on the process, depending if a lot of work has already been done,

[57:06] made a lot faster than that, and I also helped this map, some things that you could be

[57:13] out of David, and any of that, you know, you've made a lot of them in the general plan.

[57:23] Any questions

[57:24] for me?

[57:25] I was last thirty three

[57:29] years ago.

[57:32] I was last thirty three years ago.

[57:32] I was a person doing everything.

[57:34] I was out of every five to ten years, so I was able to visit it.

[57:38] What was the place for you?

[57:46] In Kevin, are we thinking along the right terms of you?

[57:50] Would you say as far as our situation with the House fire, the House fire, the House fire?

[57:55] I mean now it's probably a good time to look at our priorities and where we're headed.

[57:58] And one of the functions of the general plan is when funding agencies come into look at things.

[58:06] If you were to apply for funding for recreation or whatever it might be, they looked to see if you actually

[58:12] had planned for those sorts of things, rather than just saw some money available and said,

[58:17] let's see if we can get this.

[58:19] But it just helps to create a basis for going after funding that can benefit you completely.

[58:36] We give the night 94.

[58:39] There you go.

[58:40] There you go.

[58:42] Well, the dust off with yes.

[58:44] There we go.

[58:46] We probably did that.

[58:50] I think it's fantastic tonight.

[58:53] It's all my foot.

[58:58] We're forwarding.

[58:59] We're forwarding.

[59:00] Can you touch on the resources that you have available, like I budgeted $2,500 or

[59:09] general plan improvements with this fiscal year?

[59:12] Can you touch on that a little bit as far as, so all my times, there's no charge for my time.

[59:20] I generally do the printing, that sort of thing, if you want a larger map, that would be

[59:25] the college and I didn't develop them out, but we're just the cost of printing them out.

[59:32] So that's your decision.

[59:34] Yeah.

[59:35] So while I'm in a time commitment.

[59:37] Yeah.

[59:38] Well again, very timely the conversation we had.

[59:42] I met Kevin through a good friend Roger Carter, who's been helping us with.

[59:46] Budget items and, you know, budget preparation and things like that.

[59:51] So, I just appreciate you reaching out Kevin and we're going to use you.

[59:56] Okay.

[59:56] Good.

[59:58] All right, thank you.

[59:59] Thank you.

[1:00:06] Okay,

[1:00:09] agenda item 13, please get your change.

[1:00:16] Yes. I can talk to this one as well, Mayor.

[1:00:23] So I think we're seeking clarification and we would love to have something in writing for this as frequently phone calls come into our office, asking about water connections and things like that.

[1:00:39] So residents who live outside of the beaver city limits but live within our water surface area are required to be to the city point four five acres of water for their connection.

[1:00:55] And that's just been kind of a practice or a tradition or just what we've done and but it's not written in code anywhere.

[1:01:01] It's not really in our free schedule anywhere, and so we kind of wanted to bring this up to the council because we are getting frequent calls about this, about this ask, I guess, and kind of proceed your process for what would require somebody.

[1:01:21] I think a lot of our concern is if somebody calls us on it and says where is that, where is that stated or where is that written and maybe just can help us understand if that's needed or not.

[1:01:31] not, or it would be a good idea, but the longer perspective, especially Taylor Miranda,

[1:01:37] Patty, Binity, Paul, who are answering these calls, I think we would feel a lot of

[1:01:43] come through it and knowing that it's written somewhere, and if that's the direction

[1:01:48] the council wants to continue to go, as far as requiring that D- did water outside of city

[1:01:55] one of us, but in our service area, although we got to make sense,

[1:02:01] Miranda,

[1:02:01] Taylor, my missing anything as far as justification for wanting that and writing somewhere

[1:02:06] It's a language to say right now.

[1:02:11] So currently, it's intercom we have an Alps head of City Woman's collection of code.

[1:02:15] Thank you.

[1:02:16] Does it specify?

[1:02:17] Does it specify?

[1:02:18] Does it specify?

[1:02:19] When we changed our water position between 2000 and then we base it up in five-year average,

[1:02:25] we have calculations for our presidential homes.

[1:02:27] All those things.

[1:02:28] I mean, I haven't done one for Alzheimer's Statement, I think it would be the same thing.

[1:02:33] There's specific to the insides in the blood.

[1:02:34] You just know specific to the outside, the inside and the water surface.

[1:02:38] A lot of radiates to differentiate for outside, there's a slight, separate part of our waterways

[1:02:42] in your monthly usage into different parts of our outside, the inside city.

[1:02:47] It just doesn't say where we're applying the point for radiographies for a transition.

[1:02:53] and not playing four or five feet is the average rate right now, right?

[1:02:59] Well, that's based on proposed use to enjoy fully fortified first single family residential, right?

[1:03:07] I don't know what your last five year average is, did we?

[1:03:10] By the way, they took away the last five year average.

[1:03:14] Yeah, here it go. The average would be lower than 0.45.

[1:03:18] point four to five is just what we've always done, and at least from the last year.

[1:03:24] The fourth high of P, but it's going to be very first met with Michael Friedman, who

[1:03:28] was the water estimation. He recommended that that's typically like a fall part

[1:03:33] range of the average use of a single camera control. It changes a different range from

[1:03:37] the U.S. Press Reservation, or else that is going to let us stop with the P.

[1:03:42] There's just no specification. So let me explain the state of Utah, as always said,

[1:03:47] that 0.45 acre sheet of depletable water, meaning when you bring in a water, it has to

[1:03:54] have had the air cat applied to us, so that's depletable. So that's a true use of

[1:04:00] no matter what you receive. The depletable water has, the state has not, the division

[1:04:07] of water, it has not changed our position on it, but the state of Utah passed a lot in

[1:04:12] point 21 that said, you have to look at your last five year average, which I never thought

[1:04:17] was a wise way to do it.

[1:04:19] They have now taken that away.

[1:04:22] My last reading of it is that we have to have a justification on a basis to determine

[1:04:29] the amount of water.

[1:04:30] We cannot require more water from the citizen than what it is taken, that we can prove that

[1:04:37] that that whole would use.

[1:04:38] No, it's not a particular home, but it's an average.

[1:04:41] So whether you have five years, three years, one year, whatever, you have to be able to justify

[1:04:46] so that it doesn't become a taking in a violation of the United States and state of Utah's Constitution for a taking.

[1:04:54] They call it an exaction.

[1:04:57] So is there a difference between insights?

[1:05:01] Well, and that's right where I was going to go.

[1:05:04] So right now within our designated service area, you have to charge them exactly the same

[1:05:09] as you would as if they were in the city.

[1:05:12] So I don't believe we're serving anybody outside a designated area,

[1:05:16] but if we are, then that's my contracting.

[1:05:19] That's something we're gonna have to address.

[1:05:21] But anybody that's with them,

[1:05:22] I'm talking particularly about the growth,

[1:05:25] anybody that's within our designated service area,

[1:05:27] because we did include the growth within our design.

[1:05:30] We would treat them the same way.

[1:05:31] They would bring in the same amount of water

[1:05:33] as we require a citizen in our town to believe.

[1:05:35] We are all of you here with the city limits and not the parties.

[1:05:40] There are a lot of people that are just...

[1:05:42] Well, we can do something with them.

[1:05:45] What the state of dashing says is, we have to treat them exactly like we would treat a social

[1:05:51] little side of it.

[1:05:51] Anybody would finish their business service area just treating exactly the same.

[1:05:56] So what I'm hearing is outside of our city limits.

[1:05:58] But in our service area, we would be able to pay an acquisition to just like show it.

[1:06:03] And that's what we haven't done traditionally, as far as we put it last year.

[1:06:09] But to stay law changed last year, they're required that.

[1:06:14] So, I haven't really dug in deep to that new change, and I probably would do that this week now,

[1:06:19] but that's a step back.

[1:06:20] But just so you know that's my understanding is we have to be able to justify what we're doing.

[1:06:26] It doesn't matter whether they're in our state or whether they're not.

[1:06:28] We're a government entity that is taking something we have to justify the war we're taking

[1:06:34] It's justified by what they're using

[1:06:36] So we need to probably eliminate inside a state limit language at all.

[1:06:41] It doesn't matter to a relevant.

[1:06:43] If there have been a service service in the service service area,

[1:06:45] We need to define that as the service area because really that's what we are now.

[1:06:49] So if I'm the service area, remember you can always charge more if there's justifications to charge more

[1:06:55] So if we had people go over on the bench by the B, we know that up we're there and we had

[1:07:02] on the border up there in the cost of another $10,000 a thousand gallons to get to that

[1:07:07] over a very low level.

[1:07:08] We can charge those citizens more.

[1:07:10] Because as long as we justify what we're trying to think that understanding and that

[1:07:14] elasticity was there.

[1:07:16] I think that'll help our office build the foot, those calls, and be at least a

[1:07:20] much more consistent in what we're telling people.

[1:07:23] But we have the understanding that if they're outside to the limits, it's kind of a different set of, yeah, I respond.

[1:07:30] We have the pause button because that's just a nice contrary to the last discussion that we had, the last discussion we had, we said we could charge, we could require the water outside of the city's needs.

[1:07:46] Outside the designated service area, I think you could do that.

[1:07:50] It's, and we maybe got confused in our language.

[1:07:54] Remember, designated service area is treated as if it were within our city.

[1:07:58] Remember, such as we have a lot of towns, just choose to put the designated area in the town limits,

[1:08:03] and that's it.

[1:08:04] I hope that if they were outside of our city limits, but within our service area, they were,

[1:08:09] they were all out to get.

[1:08:13] That's outside, because we should be sure.

[1:08:16] Now, I don't know where I could with my staff, but we know a lot, we'll need to look at it.

[1:08:21] So, just give me a talk to each other.

[1:08:23] Another layer to that is, if they're outside our square service area, we legally can tell them, no.

[1:08:28] That's right.

[1:08:29] But when we do not, we can also do with our service search.

[1:08:33] But if they're outside, we can tell them to feed.

[1:08:38] But if they're outside of our service area, and not give them that position option.

[1:08:42] Yeah, I think that's probably correct, but anything within the service area needs to be consistent.

[1:08:47] Yeah, so the service area really is your, so speak your town boundaries for purposes of your service area.

[1:08:54] There is just such an opportunity to say, and that's under a total of 10, 7, and it feels about 10 or 22,

[1:09:02] those two sections.

[1:09:03] I

[1:09:08] think I could better to make sure to use outside of our service district, but say the language again inside of it.

[1:09:18] So, we don't have many better outside of our service area that are asking for water.

[1:09:25] It is most of them if they're outside of our service area.

[1:09:28] They're outside of our city.

[1:09:28] on this and there, we've just basically, we've had up to Brad's discretion, but most of the

[1:09:35] properties that we get are raised about are in the global area of new land up there, and I've been

[1:09:40] requiring for it. And some of that here in Manorville, we've got a little red on the border.

[1:09:46] So, we're outside of the city limits, but part of waterlines in their properties, so they're outside

[1:09:50] of our city limits, and outside of our service area. So, on those of you, it was a long track.

[1:09:55] We have to say yes because it's tricky though because the water line's right there, but they're

[1:10:02] technically outside of the inner property of the boundary and so we can't say no, we want to say

[1:10:08] yeah, I mean it's close to the proximity, it's hard, it's hard to say no when it's so close.

[1:10:16] But the majority of our calls come from people wanting to participate in, right?

[1:10:24] there and we get a lot of calls now,

[1:10:31] and then seeing our service area, now, right, because

[1:10:35] not all those households that we're set for now, water to them, and then we just did the

[1:10:40] big water project up there, so that it kind of changed the scope of everything up there.

[1:10:45] I don't know how long that was doing right now.

[1:10:52] Part of the project goes up that way, right?

[1:10:53] Yeah. We can point that stuff. That's what we're saying. Yeah.

[1:11:02] just to patient and that support, the amount of safety required by using the help work.

[1:11:08] We're in the end, we're going to try to light the inside of the field.

[1:11:13] Well again, if we keep saving side-saving, it's not a thing we need to, we categorize our vocabulary a little bit.

[1:11:20] It needs to be inside our destiny of service area and health sector.

[1:11:23] So within our destiny of service area, we treat them the same.

[1:11:27] Outside of destiny of service area, we don't.

[1:11:30] we can contract and it says you're supposed to enter the contract for the each one of those.

[1:11:44] It says it's so in 10, 8, 22, 7,

[1:11:47] the municipality displays water outside the municipality's designated water source area,

[1:11:52] it shall display the water only by the contract and so we'll clear them in the contract

[1:11:56] in terms of the condition of which the contract can be committed.

[1:12:01] I've been legal to that is because I said this before and I'm sure we may remember this

[1:12:06] because we had a lot of security, all of you, as in the world.

[1:12:09] But my signal was, I don't think we can go over the globe.

[1:12:14] And we required them to weigh a half a nation for the water.

[1:12:17] And then I said one day, as we were talking about

[1:12:19] pending the new lines and doing all that,

[1:12:21] and then I said one day, he came in and said,

[1:12:24] never mind, we're not service to you with water anymore.

[1:12:26] Actually, they gave us them after you came for water.

[1:12:28] My position was risk stuck with service to them with water

[1:12:31] because we took the water to give them service.

[1:12:34] We had that discussion.

[1:12:35] So, you know, it's always been that you hadn't described it with water now, because we took

[1:12:40] the water to supply it.

[1:12:42] So, what does that put a new homeowner in, didn't have the option in 2024 to reach a

[1:12:49] water from them, and then made a water bar system, can we not take water from them to add

[1:12:54] that to our system now?

[1:12:56] Okay, so that, you know, so just like you just explained, we took water from people in the

[1:13:01] to have a daily water system. Right? Because that was the language we said you're going to

[1:13:07] you're going to either hit a money or find water, right? Isn't that we gave everybody that

[1:13:13] option? I don't think so I take it when there was that said you're going to, so when they were

[1:13:18] in the world, we said you had to try to swallow, we won't connect you to the tariff system,

[1:13:21] you'll also fly you through water. So all those things will supply that to the water,

[1:13:25] so we could then put the system up there. So what is that with somebody who's,

[1:13:30] I think our system was already up there, the U.S. and two weeks wide, and whoever put it in, remember it was two weeks wide to a lot of them.

[1:13:40] And so it didn't mean for our COVID-19 and things that we were never put it in, connected to our system.

[1:13:45] So we installed the system and we really didn't give them water.

[1:13:48] Yeah, we told them they had to give us water to your system.

[1:13:51] When we upgrade into those lines, we initially tried to do a special assessment area,

[1:13:58] And we couldn't do it because I decided about it, so we turned to the county member, we had that big vegan and the county was going to do it, then something happened, the county decided they were going to do it.

[1:14:10] And eventually we decided where we supplied it with water for so long, and they didn't give it a certain water race, where we were going to be born and born and born and born.

[1:14:18] I don't think we're doing a specialist, that's the moment we're not charging them more, like a specialist, that's meant for everyone's lines.

[1:14:26] we're just paying $20 or $20 or $20.

[1:14:31] So they're paying $20, so they're paying $20, so they're paying for the upgraded system.

[1:14:36] Okay, so they're paying for it, so the other people would again communicate that same upgraded

[1:14:41] milk.

[1:14:42] And that's justifiable because again, it doesn't deserve to say, if you can justify why you're

[1:14:48] charging them more, you can do that, and they're not trying to profit it.

[1:14:52] So the project is the justification.

[1:15:00] So now they have five,

[1:15:06] all right, I think we need to give Justin a couple weeks to look through that and make sure that we're also taking the same language.

[1:15:20] I feel like it's much more satisfied after this discussion, so you have a degree.

[1:15:28] Justin, you're a little bit more sections of code and kind of update them or tell me where to add and change, or whatever we need to do with us to have our code or select that.

[1:15:47] anything else.

[1:15:53] That's a big agenda

[1:16:01] item 14, a marathon discussion.

[1:16:05] Yeah, so in May of this year, a guy who, I'm figuring out run-up for his name as Lyle,

[1:16:14] he intended City Council meeting to discuss the upcoming Beter City,

[1:16:18] Beaver, Canyon Half-Marathon, and our continued involvement, as far as financial support for the marathon,

[1:16:26] I'm due to the fire, we all know the Marathon was canceled, but in denial, Ryle has still

[1:16:33] in terms of costs with that and he is seek, I believe one of the cost is they did a virtual

[1:16:39] event, virtual run, and he still issued prizes for that, T-shirts, trophies, medals, whatever

[1:16:48] provided but he's still asking for that amount by the city to be to be honored that $5,000.

[1:16:58] My recommendation due to some of the cost that he's incurred, not knowing that the event was going to be canceled,

[1:17:05] but what would it be to honor that?

[1:17:07] It was supposed to be well, so we can now share the fire started.

[1:17:12] era after. We were hand him out water the day that he was supposed to be able to.

[1:17:18] It was twenty-seven.

[1:17:20] And we reached out to him to ask specifically that money was earmarked for something specific,

[1:17:26] and he said, well, due to the virtual nature of the race, how that into that piece, he spent that.

[1:17:33] I was closer to it close to the five thousand as far as the virtual legs of the race,

[1:17:39] things he sent out to the virtual runners.

[1:17:45] I will tell you, in this sponsorship world,

[1:17:47] it is not customary to fund an event that did not happen. For example, the Tusher and the

[1:17:55] Crusher issued refunds to all of their sponsors after they canceled their race. I was going

[1:18:03] to say the same thing. I've had a couple of races canceled over the year and they have never

[1:18:10] not given my money back or the option to roll it to like the next year.

[1:18:17] So I, I wasn't signed up to this place, but I just kind of struggled with how it was handled.

[1:18:29] I suppose it wasn't published in the past or in the past, because this was the first year

[1:18:34] that underground and ours taken over.

[1:18:36] It's great. It's been done with a group here in town.

[1:18:41] And he has said that in past years, that the previous time he hosted for the organizers

[1:18:46] of the race, he tested it, usually they used this money for like the Puerto Pines expenses,

[1:18:52] that was quite crowded.

[1:18:53] But they never had an error personally.

[1:18:55] They just chose that they would take it either.

[1:18:58] So I want to say though, we did, we bought like shirts for them because they had to have an

[1:19:05] voice in. Yeah, we told them to give them that money that had to be an invoice. It has to be an invoice and so on. And we would do that invoice up to $5,000 for the proposal.

[1:19:17] Of course, it was not just a check. There has to be an invoice that shows that we're paying for something.

[1:19:21] We don't just give money. It's against those.

[1:19:25] Yeah, I think another year was quarter highs because we paid.

[1:19:30] I want to say George. Well, I'm pretty sure when he was here, we told you,

[1:19:35] Yeah, we couldn't just give him the money, he had to bring in a recede, basically we don't take care of that.

[1:19:44] I think he's prepared with him, he said that it was just...

[1:19:53] I mean, it's a horrible summer.

[1:19:57] I feel badly that he canceled his event.

[1:20:01] But he recede does not bear the responsibility to shoulder the risk associated with an event that he owns.

[1:20:09] it's not our job. If he wants to be risked of her, she should get insurance. It's just not

[1:20:21] our responsibility.

[1:20:24] So, I mean, I'm open to a discussion, but I have a hard time

[1:20:28] funding and you then they got canceled. It's just not. It's not what happens. I mean,

[1:20:35] The day after the Crusher and the Tussher cancelled their event, their organizer was on the phone with me at the cleanry and they issued us to check for the full refund.

[1:20:49] I'm

[1:20:54] just, I have a hard time when private business owners try to transpose their risks onto the shoulders of the city.

[1:21:06] It's not our job, we're not the owners of the event.

[1:21:12] That's what I was going to say, I have a target time

[1:21:16] doing it where so many of our other businesses

[1:21:20] are struggling in town because of lack of things.

[1:21:23] You know, I had at our time given the two in where,

[1:21:28] and then some of the healths come in and say,

[1:21:30] where's ours?

[1:21:32] Fundamentally, I think there's some basic question

[1:21:34] you look at.

[1:21:36] Why do we sponsor these events?

[1:21:37] So why do we put up many tools for people that come over and be correct?

[1:21:43] So that's the reason we do, that's how you justify paying that money, it's an economic benefit to the town.

[1:21:50] Listen, the individual did a, you know, chose to go ahead with the race on the virtual, which means everybody ran,

[1:21:57] they'll track a course, I presume, and therefore no business was brought into the tunnel.

[1:22:04] I would have thought he would call the city and say, this is what I'm thinking about doing differently.

[1:22:11] You know, is this a little petal to the city because it keeps you caught.

[1:22:15] No, you won't from here to you, or this is a little justification for that.

[1:22:20] But if there's not, then there's no benefit to the town and I think you're taking...

[1:22:30] Commonly funds, anybody want to submit a letter? Can we show them to me at a letterly budget?

[1:22:37] So, what I shall ask you to say, I was going to say, I think we should call the minutes and see what he asks for,

[1:22:42] because I think he said he wanted to share its pay for the runners that were coming to our community in two participants.

[1:22:49] And those runners didn't come to our community to participate.

[1:22:52] So, there were those are not the shirts we paid for. Those were shirts he paid for for a virtual run, not the ones we were paid for.

[1:23:00] And I agree with what Justin just said, we before that cost so our community benefits from and we didn't have runners come here and it is

[1:23:09] When it is that setting this is a horrible summer that we've had for our community, but again, along with what lunch just said, that's hard to look at our citizens and our other businesses and say, hey we just gave them 5,000 dollars.

[1:23:24] Well, it was a year and a half, so I say no, yeah, I'm with you. I say no.

[1:23:35] I think it's a hard

[1:23:38] I'm talking to people out of town that said they're not going to run the race anymore because of how this almost happened

[1:23:44] Yeah, so not only did it not help us this time

[1:23:49] In my interest in the future of how it was housed has just pointed it in how it was handled

[1:23:56] I think it could have been communicated a lot better to a lot of people.

[1:24:05] We talked about it that day, we were having water out of it.

[1:24:08] And then 10 extra people that were saying, hey, they won't refund it or anything.

[1:24:16] They were upset.

[1:24:25] Sounds good.

[1:24:25] I don't want to be called harder to.

[1:24:32] I feel that it's tough.

[1:24:34] I just don't think I can get to work, I feel like we should support the event that he can't so, you know, he made a decision to do a virtual run, didn't consult with us on that, but the entire nature is an end change, and he should have consulted with us, I just don't think we should issue the $5,000, and whatever, whatever the amount was.

[1:25:02] There

[1:25:05] are just two, just to know where things were,

[1:25:09] but it was an only exposure cancellation key to the city office,

[1:25:14] and told us that you would be puzzling.

[1:25:16] And I think you was going to hold it,

[1:25:19] uh, personally, but one of those two,

[1:25:21] I decided to further raise the board,

[1:25:23] to have an opportunity to pick up their,

[1:25:26] like, raise packet, still,

[1:25:28] and ask for the space to be that way to move the right it.

[1:25:31] But, um,

[1:25:32] He didn't ask the speed to Council at that time when he spoke with us in the front, he just mentioned that he was changing the race to a virtual race and asked for a place to disperse that.

[1:25:51] Okay, any further discussion on that? Is anybody have a different opinion?

[1:26:09] We'll make sure to communicate about mayor with him.

[1:26:12] And Boomerland and our office staff, you can just lay the blame on the council, you can say no.

[1:26:23] The council based on all considerations are to not to fund the request based on the fact that you then was cancelled.

[1:26:35] And if he would like to come speaking with the Council, he's more than welcome to.

[1:26:47] So, what is the agenda item 15, the waterway discussion?

[1:26:53] Yes sir.

[1:26:56] So, a small group of residents came in, set up a meeting with me recently to discuss specific intersection

[1:27:06] of town that is, yeah, it is, sorry, okay.

[1:27:11] You're a member of the synonymous, yeah, I should have known this one.

[1:27:14] This intersection subject to frequent flooding, and they were inquiring about the

[1:27:20] possibility of installing a waterway there, there is a ditch, it's on 300

[1:27:26] north, and full east, I believe, is the intersection, there's also a ditch coming as

[1:27:32] that infrastructure right there through the intersection.

[1:27:36] So I asked that the ditch company being involved in the conversation,

[1:27:40] conversation went really well.

[1:27:42] I communicated to them that due to the recent flooding in the damage caused by the flooding

[1:27:49] disaster.

[1:27:50] The T-Bulfills is not been a waterway, it would have prevented what happened at the T-Bulfills,

[1:27:55] but maybe for future flood events, we may be able to safeguard a little bit

[1:28:01] some public public property there.

[1:28:04] I think we have some interest in being a partner.

[1:28:09] With that waterway discussion, I also made it clear to them that the

[1:28:15] concerned neighbors would also be a partner in that waterway project

[1:28:21] and the big company as well.

[1:28:23] And if that's the case, if there are willing participants such as

[1:28:28] residents and ditch company willing to put some skin in the game for an improved infrastructure

[1:28:36] piece right there and in that particular intersection that maybe something we want to consider

[1:28:40] as a city.

[1:28:42] I did go as far as reaching out to an engineering firm to kind of give you some preliminary

[1:28:47] information on what it would take to adequately, what would require to adequately build a

[1:28:53] way there that's effective and something we don't just hurry and do, but it's in effect

[1:28:58] those.

[1:28:59] So if we did do this, I would want to make sure we do it right, but it's not going to

[1:29:05] be free, but I think if we have people willing to put some skin in the game, it might be

[1:29:10] it might be a good result and a good opportunity for the city to improve infrastructure

[1:29:14] right where that intersection.

[1:29:18] So that's the just of it.

[1:29:20] The meeting went well.

[1:29:23] We had a good discussion.

[1:29:26] And after discussed with you, Mayor, you requested that it be brought up to council.

[1:29:35] Perfect.

[1:29:37] Thank you.

[1:29:38] Many questions or comments on this.

[1:29:41] The council.

[1:29:45] I would, I guess, one of the pieces of information that might be relevant

[1:29:49] and get information to the council to hear most recent waterway that we installed was the one at the

[1:29:57] pittic order from the library and then turn on the camera.

[1:30:00] And that was about $13,000.

[1:30:08] The residents in the ditch companies definitely bound and determined to have that cost, much lower than that, and they think it can be much lower than.

[1:30:20] Anyways, I told them we wouldn't entertain even the thought that it was out engineering,

[1:30:27] so they're going to be at least those costs if we were to proceed and being a part of this project.

[1:30:32] I don't know what the final cost would be.

[1:30:35] You know, as far as labor goes and things like that, I think we can do a lot of it,

[1:30:39] with some help from the digital company and local residents involved.

[1:30:48] So if we get it to surveyed and paid care out,

[1:30:52] like Jones in the middle takes care of it.

[1:30:55] Or they can put money up for that part of it.

[1:31:02] I don't know if it comes out of $150,000.

[1:31:04] Yeah, wait a minute, we don't want to do this after all.

[1:31:07] They can't back out of, right?

[1:31:09] Those are good questions.

[1:31:11] We didn't get that far into it.

[1:31:13] I just told them I'd do a preliminary phone call

[1:31:16] to the engineering firm to see what will take.

[1:31:19] Um, nothing's been pledged as far as portion, portion, you know, cost, sharing, or things

[1:31:25] like that.

[1:31:25] So that's, that would, I would think be the next set in the process and I would agree

[1:31:30] to you.

[1:31:31] We don't want to be stuck with a bill, but it's not going to be entirely, you know, divided

[1:31:36] three ways in my opinion.

[1:31:39] I don't think it's fair that the taxpayers, to do that without having some assurance

[1:31:43] We're going to tell page of that assessment, that initial assessment.

[1:31:51] Hey, could I propose this?

[1:31:52] Could we put out a request for proposal to an engineering, see how much an engineer will

[1:32:08] I've just to engineer that cross-cutter, we can solicit bid and see what that price tag is.

[1:32:20] If it's under 10,000, I would say, okay, the city can engineer it.

[1:32:24] I mean, I'm just thinking, I'll allow you.

[1:32:30] I'm speaking just for the design, just for the engineering design.

[1:32:35] But it shouldn't cost us anything to get a request for a proposal from

[1:32:43] engineering groups, right?

[1:32:45] I'm thinking about that clearly.

[1:32:47] I think you are.

[1:32:48] I have reached out.

[1:32:50] I've had an initial conversation.

[1:32:53] Just to kind of get the ball rolling.

[1:32:56] Nothing's been decided.

[1:32:58] As of yet.

[1:32:58] But yeah, I think we could pump the brakes on that.

[1:33:01] Even in RSP.

[1:33:04] Did you?

[1:33:04] Did in your conversation did you get any any idea what it would cost us to engineer them?

[1:33:13] No, no.

[1:33:14] I just basically made them aware.

[1:33:17] Put it on the radar.

[1:33:18] Let's continue the conversation.

[1:33:21] I have council meeting on Tuesday.

[1:33:22] Let's talk after that.

[1:33:24] So basically just a conversation.

[1:33:27] I don't think much has been done.

[1:33:30] But I think we just do a little bit of a little bit of a little bit on and on a design

[1:33:38] for a cross-cutter right there and we see what that bill is to get a design and then we

[1:33:44] agree.

[1:33:45] That's my Indian term, I don't know if anybody has a different opinion.

[1:33:52] Can I ask you a couple of questions here for clarification?

[1:33:57] Who's water is in the ditch?

[1:34:00] The ditch companies?

[1:34:02] are we part of this company? No. So there's all the flooding and

[1:34:07] result of the ditch company.

[1:34:10] That's just some to be an adequate. That's a good question.

[1:34:15] If it is, then why isn't ditch company just taking care of it? Because they, so we

[1:34:20] that's that question and my answer is not great. But they say that years back, years

[1:34:27] ago, there was a group with the city to reroute it by the pool and that did something to

[1:34:33] the infrastructure right there that put the city on that little bit.

[1:34:38] And again, that's not a great answer, it's not a federal answer, I don't even understand

[1:34:42] the response that that was kind of there that responds to that question, it's why is a city

[1:34:48] even involved in this if it's not our ditch walk.

[1:34:51] If it's not a ditch, it's not a ditch water, I'm just trying to figure out, we thought we had to find out why we're doing it.

[1:35:00] If there's something we didn't need to do, we were not.

[1:35:05] If I can get a better response, I think we were told that the city had something we, in our history agreed to just pay in some way.

[1:35:16] Yeah, there's nothing on record but I can find we do, we do typically place many excavators

[1:35:24] right there, you have a cemetery in the fall park and we, we have traditionally cleaned out

[1:35:31] those, you know, you know, when debris fills, the city typically has cleaned those out

[1:35:37] those grades, but the discussion in the meeting I had last week was we need to be a secondary

[1:35:43] options for that, as that's not a priority to the city. We can help us for available, but

[1:35:49] that needs to be the digital companies. They need to get a search responder to that and

[1:35:56] clean that out. We can help us for available, but currently we're not available from my trade now.

[1:36:02] There's there's two dishes right there. Yeah, one goes through round and runs around three

[1:36:08] 100 more, and that's the one we're talking about.

[1:36:11] And the bubbles are right there for underdies, and then because of the way the road is right there,

[1:36:17] kind of spills over and runs that way. Those works 200, those works 200.

[1:36:22] And then the majority of the issue comes from 400 right there,

[1:36:26] come out of the phone, or the cemetery where the piles are right there,

[1:36:30] and then all the fields and runs down the side of the road in front of the park and goes,

[1:36:36] and continues to run to 200.

[1:36:37] So we had a two dishes that caused problems for those property and the problem.

[1:36:42] So it's the same.

[1:36:43] My mother's, both in were asked at a clean up by both companies.

[1:36:47] We're asked.

[1:36:47] And all causes problems for the city.

[1:36:50] And that would be our different windows.

[1:36:53] Those homeowners in damages are all parks.

[1:36:56] I can't, I can't, there are lesions, everything that they're there.

[1:37:00] I guess, can't figure that out.

[1:37:01] I grew up in the farm.

[1:37:03] And we clean out ditches and the companies go down and at the moment you go and you clean

[1:37:12] your ditch off and you got a screen there and you clean your screen off and you get all

[1:37:15] the debris off it so a lot of flows and why aren't they cleaning their ditches?

[1:37:20] So I did say I did say I did say traditionally for whatever reason the city has been

[1:37:24] help, help, maybe even over helping that situation, as far as I understand.

[1:37:30] Maybe I'm lacking information and lacking the history of that, the tradition of that, but I don't see

[1:37:36] much sense in the city being dispersed to go do that. And the ones you're seeing in the phone

[1:37:42] calls of people who are frustrated or upset, I haven't understood that. Nobody's really been able

[1:37:51] to give a really good answer other than that's just always housed them done. That's always how

[1:37:56] done it. And I don't know. I think we can be helpers. We can be secondary and therefore available.

[1:38:05] I'm happy to send guys out to help. But I'm hopeful that it's already been addressed by the

[1:38:11] little companies. I think we need to utilize this as an opportunity. So my proposal is that

[1:38:21] we submit every Western proposal,

[1:38:24] very engineering across gutter right there,

[1:38:26] which by the way, I think you cross gutter

[1:38:28] is a great idea right there.

[1:38:31] I don't think it solves every problem,

[1:38:33] but I do think it was hell,

[1:38:35] but I will tell you that that ditch company right there

[1:38:40] is getting ready to put their ditch in pipe.

[1:38:44] So, you know, we need to make sure

[1:38:46] that if we're getting,

[1:38:47] if we're gonna spearhead an effort

[1:38:48] to go get a cross gutter installed,

[1:38:50] But there's some kind of an accounting earn-in tape right there.

[1:38:54] Also it's not an elephant all.

[1:38:56] But when they put their type in.

[1:38:59] Yeah, definitely recommend some type in contractual agreement.

[1:39:02] You know, if we're doing it forward as being a partner in this and it pans out.

[1:39:07] And just our discussions, like I've mentioned earlier, both the residents,

[1:39:12] side of it, and the ditch companies side of it,

[1:39:14] were willing to be participants in that.

[1:39:17] Again, no dollar amounts were discussed with.

[1:39:19] I agree Matthew, and we would definitely want that under contract to make sure people are paying their

[1:39:27] pressure for their share, whatever they are, and that's the last point along those lines

[1:39:34] as I would just say we utilize this entire negotiation process as a reset for those ditches

[1:39:42] and use water, it is, and it's months, I guess my, I do, good matter in different, we are in the equation number one because we have precedents for whatever reason, boom which correct, I don't have any history on it, but somehow we have been responsible to claim that bitch, right there, that quote, I don't know why, but that is correct, that is a correct same.

[1:40:08] And, too, we have property that is being damaged by the overflow of this debt, that

[1:40:15] fills city world right away, is a drainage, and so, you know, we're in the conversation

[1:40:26] because we have precedent and we also have property that's being impacted by it.

[1:40:33] If there's a way for us to collaboratively move forward, I'm in a favor of it to solve a problem,

[1:40:39] but I think the need to use it as an opportunity to read and go to the expectation.

[1:40:47] I agree and

[1:40:53] I'll talk to you about this offline, but I've had some additional conversations with

[1:40:59] since you were meeting and I've had it, you know, it's just, I've had it as recent as today

[1:41:05] before this meeting about this exact issue,

[1:41:09] not from this particular issue,

[1:41:10] but it's something, but others,

[1:41:12] it's something I think, like you said.

[1:41:16] And I just think now's a good time with everything going on.

[1:41:21] Our priorities are shifting a little bit

[1:41:23] and the response, the response that is coming from us

[1:41:28] and we're trying to be consistent

[1:41:30] in the public works department is that we have other priorities

[1:41:33] right now, we cannot get to that right now.

[1:41:35] We're going to need out of the ditch company and when we're available, we will come out.

[1:41:42] We also need a fish to fry right now to be honest.

[1:41:46] Yeah, I couldn't agree more, but there's also an argument.

[1:41:52] A ditch company can't have it both ways.

[1:41:56] So I'll just thinking out loud here, but for example,

[1:42:01] The ditch company of their own free will, their own deletion, they figured out another

[1:42:08] diversion down the river, passed the grizzly diversion, and they just diverted the water,

[1:42:16] they didn't talk to the city about that, they didn't talk to anybody about that, and technically

[1:42:20] they shouldn't have to, they just, it said they should say water, they can figure out

[1:42:26] a right and divert it, good for them.

[1:42:28] So that's great, but on the back side when things are going wrong then they can't rely on the city to fix all of their problems.

[1:42:36] We're not there insurance company.

[1:42:40] So, hey, the point I'm making is that this company can't have a little place either the city's in or we're not in.

[1:42:48] Either we're in all the way or we're not in at all. You know what I'm saying? So,

[1:43:02] come on now.

[1:43:08] Is the council, sorry Matt, one, if that does get worked out, is the council in agreement with my

[1:43:17] thought process.

[1:43:17] If we have local residents willing to put skin in the game, that may be a good way to

[1:43:25] the city to improve our infrastructure at a lower cost.

[1:43:32] To mean that's something I want to make sure we take advantage of, I guess.

[1:43:38] I think it's, I think it's good business, I think it creates opportunities to improve contracts

[1:43:44] and improve clarification expectations, I don't think we talked about, but when people

[1:43:49] are willing to pay for some of that, whether it's in kind word or cash, I think those

[1:43:57] are good opportunities for the city to improve things and most important right there to improve

[1:44:03] relationships with, with residents with taxpayers with at the same time and prove our

[1:44:09] infrastructure. In my own the same page with that, there are different views. I think that

[1:44:15] would be good. I do think we need to clarify just because something's been done for forever.

[1:44:23] We need to clarify what's wrong. Maybe somebody had a buddy that was in the city and they started

[1:44:31] doing it and all the sudden it just became what the city does. Unless there's something

[1:44:37] in writing, in contrast, something that we've agreed to, on record, on file, that's

[1:44:44] I totally, that's what we need to find out, because if there's a city sign sign then I'm

[1:44:49] all four we should do, but if there's nothing there and it just kind of happened because nobody

[1:44:54] else was doing it, so we started doing it and then I was saying, it's our job, we need to

[1:45:00] And that round and face it now, and that would be a good time after we're going to do that.

[1:45:05] Well, even though there's nothing red shot, I don't know what we would say, so I don't know what I would just say.

[1:45:09] If I'm red shot, judge yours, then somebody else came and said, this is what we did, but we did it. Why we did it? We're sort of seeing the arms to do it.

[1:45:17] But I can take the work because I know it's suitable for people, but I think there needs to find out why what happened, why it happened,

[1:45:26] And we are really, really honorable, we will be honorable, what we do, but it doesn't make sense to me that we are the cleaning ditches for the district company.

[1:45:36] It just doesn't make sense.

[1:45:37] I think it needs to be put in writing.

[1:45:40] If they remember what it was, that's fine.

[1:45:44] We're not all going to be here in the future.

[1:45:47] And we need to hit it in the murders.

[1:45:49] We're going to need to know what that agreement was.

[1:45:52] It needs to be in writing.

[1:45:57] I just want to say I agree totally agree with your line of thinking, I would tell the council and I'm not suggesting that this is what we're going to do.

[1:46:08] I'm just telling you all where I am now. I would even go as far as, you know, and this is pending a bid.

[1:46:15] But I would even go as far as saying all right, the city will engineer this cross-cutter.

[1:46:21] We'll pay for that. We'll shoulder 100% of the design in good-to-date software, in good-says,

[1:46:32] and we'll get a design, and we'll get it ready to put out a bid.

[1:46:51] I would need a little

[1:46:52] 100,000 where it is, they have to come to the table.

[1:46:58] So, was this for the attorney and the Jackson says, if we design it, then we buy the

[1:47:05] different tales and then try to some baby and then we're liable because we've paid for the

[1:47:12] engineering and we contract to do that and then we become liable.

[1:47:16] Now, there's amenities and all kinds of things to go on with that, but some of the better

[1:47:23] I'm just saying, I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, because I really agree with the mayor that you want to ruin the community together, especially now, we've done all this stuff and we've got all this stuff going on.

[1:47:36] Now it's not time to become divided as you can really, but I just understand that if we don't pay for that, then we do that and some of them goes right.

[1:47:48] The shoulders are on us because we did it.

[1:47:51] But Justin isn't that why you pay a license engineer to put an engineer stamp on it.

[1:47:57] So that's exactly what happened.

[1:48:00] Yeah, but that's exactly what happened.

[1:48:03] Everything falls down here.

[1:48:04] They threw us because of predator.

[1:48:06] We see the engineer because they didn't design incorrectly.

[1:48:09] But going back to, I guess, my philosophy of life.

[1:48:12] of somebody get something for nothing, there holds no value to them, whereas if they pull

[1:48:19] a little bit into it, and maybe they're going to put theirs into the construction part,

[1:48:23] not the design part, but I always feel like if somebody puts something into something, they

[1:48:30] are part of it, they've bought it, and so as they even have the city, they've put it most

[1:48:35] of it, there was some that they put it into it, so they have ownership of that design.

[1:48:42] We're not saying, we're sorry, the city did this and that will force you to do that.

[1:48:46] One of my questions was, does the council view it as an equal partnership?

[1:48:53] Or does the city, does the city willing to be the main contributor?

[1:48:59] Or should that be equal partners?

[1:49:03] Or projects such as this?

[1:49:05] They've come to us.

[1:49:07] It would have proved city infrastructure.

[1:49:10] We've been a social worker, so today is there an argument made for a lesser portion on the residents coming.

[1:49:21] We don't have as big a pocket look, I guess, for lack of a better term.

[1:49:25] Or should it be equal?

[1:49:26] I personally think the solution has a little bit more.

[1:49:30] But I do think that the people should, again, have some mentor.

[1:49:35] But they should get nothing into it and so on the ship.

[1:49:40] So I live up there and that waterway doesn't affect me.

[1:49:43] It doesn't come into my yard, right?

[1:49:45] It goes off to me, it goes off to the stage on the east side of the road, the south side.

[1:49:51] I don't see it.

[1:49:54] So look at the property on the down the street, we're the same way.

[1:49:57] What if this was just an infrastructure failure?

[1:50:00] And it just, purely impacted us, like I wrote it as we would be asking those citizens to pitch in on the cost of this project.

[1:50:12] So, because it was designed fairly up here and down on 300, we're now asking those who are affected,

[1:50:20] or those who are affected are saying we want this fix.

[1:50:23] I don't think that they should have any cost, but I think we should be looking to do this company saying you have a problem here.

[1:50:28] I just like we did out front, that's good.

[1:50:31] We have a little bit of this coming up in our garden lobby because they're dead, she was

[1:50:35] washing out the sand from underneath.

[1:50:38] The only reason why we were asked to be in it is because they said, do you want to put

[1:50:42] a bigger type in the ground and you'll rate an extra cost of that type?

[1:50:46] We're not paying for any other part of that project.

[1:50:49] This is the dish company's project and we're going to have storm drains and we're going to

[1:50:53] have storm drains.

[1:50:54] So we're doing the storm drains and bigger type, but we'll pay for all of them and we'll

[1:50:58] for that because that's what we want to put in on the project. I don't think we should be asking

[1:51:02] the citizens that are affected by this problem for any money. I think we should be looking at

[1:51:07] the dish companies saying you've got a problem here and you're impacting somebody's property

[1:51:11] and ours we need to fix it and it's that's us and the dish company and we do that but I don't know

[1:51:28] And we're ever saying that, it's that.

[1:51:31] Do you think saying it, I think?

[1:51:35] I don't know.

[1:51:37] I believe in 100% on this.

[1:51:40] I mean, this is just things that are going to be popular,

[1:51:43] so that it goes for a long period of time.

[1:51:48] And people have designed things that are working.

[1:51:51] That's not our problem.

[1:51:54] It's theirs.

[1:51:56] So, our citizens are not going to want to do a part of anything like this, but that's

[1:52:05] something we're contractual to do.

[1:52:09] So, I agree with him, let's start telling him that it's the problem that we're going to

[1:52:12] get really, really upset about it.

[1:52:17] I guess

[1:52:25] the only thing was that, I guess, to play Dell's dad and kid would be the type

[1:52:30] I mean, because this was not our radar right now, this was not something less they brought it to our tent, and they did bring it to our tent, so I think for timeline, say if they want it done now, then I think they would need to pitch in a little bit, unless they're okay with us doing it on our timeline, this was not our radar.

[1:52:52] So, maybe, I don't know if that adds to the conversation or not, so did this, I don't

[1:52:57] mean happen.

[1:52:59] Is this the only time or is that a normal place for water?

[1:53:01] No, it's a normal place for it.

[1:53:03] It's a normal occurrence.

[1:53:04] I don't.

[1:53:05] And the discussion I had with them meeting, what happened recently with the flooding, water

[1:53:12] way, it wasn't going to prevent it.

[1:53:14] They would have flooded unless we had built something extremely robust to deliver

[1:53:21] that water and they agreed they would have flooded no matter what but they're they're thinking

[1:53:26] of more the every day you know run up the meal type of floods not these hundred year events or

[1:53:34] five hundred year events whatever it was but where they approached us they initiated a conversation

[1:53:41] I didn't budget for this they would have to be on our timeline of course which was future flooding

[1:53:48] and tell we're ready to do this project, put it on a priority list.

[1:53:51] It's not on a priority list right now, currently.

[1:53:55] And it's probably not on the dish,

[1:53:56] company's priority list, like I agree with that,

[1:53:59] but I know that they've approached us about going underground

[1:54:04] with all the way up, correct?

[1:54:06] Yes, so they do have somewhat of a budget

[1:54:09] started for a project.

[1:54:12] In that area, yes, on three hundred north,

[1:54:15] that specific intersection, though,

[1:54:16] they're not, they want to be going to be part of the meeting and tell we ask them to be at.

[1:54:21] And so, where they've come to ask them, they've been wishy ahead of them where the citizens are.

[1:54:26] The citizens still think it's being Mercedes issue.

[1:54:29] To this moment.

[1:54:31] So, yeah.

[1:54:35] But maybe that changes.

[1:54:38] I don't know.

[1:54:39] If they want to done now, we're going to need some financial help unless you just want to pay for us.

[1:54:44] But well, if I'm the ditch company, that's my water in the ditch, and the ditch was not adequate.

[1:54:51] And my water's going out of that ditch, I'm going to be one to fix it because if I've thought that whole,

[1:54:58] and I'm the ditch company, I'm potentially reliable, sort of flooding it out.

[1:55:04] If my structure is inactive, and that's why they're willing to put a little skin in the game, make sense.

[1:55:11] So again, I think we have to find out if we can, what happened, if we moved to it because of the swimming pool,

[1:55:18] we put that all in, we did come to the water and we said, we'll take care of it, we'll do it.

[1:55:24] Hey, then we know what it's us, but that's in essence where they're saying.

[1:55:29] But I'd want to know exactly what happened and everything else.

[1:55:34] Then we'll respond slowly, then we take that response really.

[1:55:37] It may be helpful for me to get something in writing, just explanation, a history.

[1:55:44] You know, decisions that were made, or at least from the ditch company's perspective,

[1:55:50] because it was that was basically what they said, as it was relocated.

[1:55:56] Because I actually asked the homeowner, I said, well, you chose to build a bear.

[1:56:02] You know, it's here undergrade by far, you're lower than grade.

[1:56:06] It was a well, the ditch used to run differently, so it wasn't ever, it wasn't a problem,

[1:56:12] there was a big of a problem until the ditch was relocated, and so for me it would be helpful

[1:56:18] to get some more information in writing, so it's not words, so we're trying to get straight

[1:56:26] in something in writing, but at least a little more accurate, maybe that's something we can

[1:56:32] question.

[1:56:37] I think so, Boomer, I think we can sit down with the representative of the

[1:56:42] Ditch Company and seek for additional understanding that presented themselves as a

[1:56:50] willing participant. You know what I mean? You can construct your conversation.

[1:56:55] So,

[1:56:58] yes,

[1:57:02] that's a good step and I would just reiterate in good faith, I'm from the city's

[1:57:08] perspective, I'm willing to go as far as soliciting bids and getting an engineer, getting

[1:57:15] a ready to put out for bid to find out how much it's going to cost and that's where I'm

[1:57:22] personally.

[1:57:26] So I think the whole agreement needs to be re-associated,

[1:57:34] regardless of history.

[1:57:44] Any other discussion points on that?

[1:57:52] Okay, the story which storage containers versus

[1:57:55] accessory units.

[1:58:01] So, Mayor, I would request that we were not prepared so that if we can

[1:58:08] able that, that would be appreciated.

[1:58:11] That's great.

[1:58:12] Randall, you see that that gets on a future agenda.

[1:58:17] Thank you.

[1:58:18] All right.

[1:58:20] We have any closed session items to see.

[1:58:23] Yes.

[1:58:27] For which litigation or a litigation, I have several properties.

[1:58:35] Okay.

[1:58:35] So we have two closed session items.

[1:58:38] So, let's do first litigation and then we'll do a manner, which is that we can have an opportunity to do a whole business follow-ups, report all updates, sorry, I think it's that.

[1:58:52] Let's go to agenda item 17 and then we'll go to the closed session items.

[1:59:00] So, let's start with Miranda.

[1:59:03] On, yeah, I was going to tell you guys,

[1:59:06] Microsoft who came up to Oracle,

[1:59:09] and they were actually able to use a ton of our stuff.

[1:59:12] So it was actually a little cool to see.

[1:59:13] It took lockers, ninjas, our states,

[1:59:18] plies, that's about who also has this stuff.

[1:59:21] So it was really cool.

[1:59:24] On that note, with the swimming pool,

[1:59:27] this coming week we are prepared to drain it.

[1:59:30] Is that another time random to dissipate those chemicals to the left?

[1:59:35] Yeah.

[1:59:35] Is that a plan still?

[1:59:37] So this coming week will be draining the whole FYI.

[1:59:42] But if you didn't know, start getting the diving load.

[1:59:45] They're not.

[1:59:46] I reached out to them to coordinate a time name about actually being at some.

[1:59:50] Okay.

[1:59:55] Anything else for random?

[1:59:56] Nope.

[1:59:57] That's it.

[1:59:58] Okay.

[2:00:01] Yes, Randall, when I could put a bit in on that dining board for our problems, trouble.

[2:00:11] So are you building some clean pool?

[2:00:14] We want to need a pool is just something I can maybe add or something.

[2:00:18] That's just a lot of stuff.

[2:00:24] You know, he has to take a journey.

[2:00:28] An ant?

[2:00:29] Yeah, it's a second net.

[2:00:31] It'd be more exciting.

[2:00:34] You can jump from your backyard Randy to Matt.

[2:00:37] Matt will have the net.

[2:00:39] You know that.

[2:00:39] Because there's like a fight for the difference in that.

[2:00:43] Yeah.

[2:00:43] Hi.

[2:00:43] So as he comes over.

[2:00:45] Well, it was actually set as a bonus, guys, as a bonus, and it's true.

[2:00:54] It's good to read rainy.

[2:00:58] All right, 100.

[2:01:02] I had nothing.

[2:01:05] All right.

[2:01:05] Lanes.

[2:01:07] We may yesterday is the library board.

[2:01:09] A lot of good things that a library has been really busy.

[2:01:13] This is according to them.

[2:01:14] They think this might be their busiest year.

[2:01:16] They've had a lot of people using the library.

[2:01:19] right now, and they're excited. These are going well there. So that's all I have.

[2:01:27] Great

[2:01:27] speed up.

[2:01:34] No, I'm good. Randy.

[2:01:43] I'm happy to report that our staff from Play Handbook

[2:01:49] is 99% done. We've got a couple of more edits to make as grammatical edits mostly in a couple

[2:02:01] read throughs, but one of our goals in our office was by August 13, which is my one year mark

[2:02:10] to have that done and so we're happy to report. There's been a lot of work on Taylor's side

[2:02:16] of it and on the council's side of it, employee's side of it, it's been a team effort for

[2:02:22] sure to get that dialed in and excited to present that council in a coming meeting soon.

[2:02:32] That's

[2:02:32] small accomplishment, great job guys.

[2:02:42] So I have met Justin, you got any updates, only for

[2:02:49] close session. Taylor, you got anything? I do have one because I can now say one of the last

[2:02:57] students that stood through there was the city was dismissed from the classroom.

[2:03:06] I would also

[2:03:09] I like to officially declare that you lost the over under again.

[2:03:13] Right now.

[2:03:15] I'm so close.

[2:03:17] I don't think we would be this close.

[2:03:22] It's ridiculous.

[2:03:25] Are you going to drink tonight?

[2:03:27] Don't take me to Vegas tomorrow.

[2:03:32] Taylor, you got anything?

[2:03:37] I don't want to be.

[2:03:39] I'm scared, please.

[2:03:44] Is Daddy there?

[2:03:45] I don't know.

[2:03:46] She is not. She is office for all right, that should do it for all updates and all business

[2:03:53] Are we ready to go to closed session Kevin. Thank you all be in touch

[2:04:00] Thanks, you guys have a good night. Thanks.

[2:04:04] All right, all entertainment motion dinner closed session for potential pending litigation

[2:04:13] Motion by Skiina second by Lance by roll calls on your

[2:04:23] Okay, we'll come out of those sessions for potential spending mitigation is there a motion and a close session for the purposes of change or lease of poverty.

[2:04:35] Motion.

[2:04:36] Second.

[2:04:36] We can make the motion wave. Motion by gave, second by 100, I think copy by roll call.

[2:04:48] Hunter, yes. Let's talk to you. I'll read it all right, yes.

[2:04:55] All right, guys, anybody will come out to a session for purchase or sell property.

[2:05:01] Anybody got anything else?

[2:05:07] They're most into adjourned.

[2:05:09] motion.

[2:05:11] Second.

[2:05:13] Second.

[2:05:15] Any opposed?

[2:05:18] All right, guys, thank you.

Beaver City Council Meeting

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