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Well, we value the
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participation of all members of
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our community and
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encourage open,
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positive
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discussion, even
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when opinions
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differ.
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Please treat comments with
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respect
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and
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focus on the
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issue rather than
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pointing fingers so
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we can work
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together productively and
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positively. And we
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started our
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meeting at 4:00 PM because
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we had conducted road
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checks on Banda,
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Mirsa, and Sugar Hill and
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heard from all the
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stakeholders.
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And now we are going to
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resume the meeting and
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continue the hearing
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on the roads, if
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necessary. Good.
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So, as you said,
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we visited Bundy,
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Mears, and Sugar Hill.
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Sugar Hill–this is just
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a clarification, it's a state. Um
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, it's just something that
[1:04]
happened. It was
[1:05]
discontinued many
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years ago. Then,
[1:08]
during the construction of the
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Ancient Road,
[1:12]
part of it was somehow
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reopened. So, these are
[1:13]
discontinued small
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areas, so we're
[1:15]
just repairing it
[1:16]
because the state wanted us to
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do it. So, we're
[1:18]
just making these
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adjustments. So, that's
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all there is. Um, Bundy, we
[1:23]
talked to one of the
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owners of the sole
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proprietorship that lives
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on Bundy. And he, um, and
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they support us
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canceling the
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road. And, uh, there's some
[1:36]
information about it, it's
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0.08 miles of
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third class road. And
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they have an annual, uh,
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annual
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highway construction grant that
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we get paid to take care
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of Bundy, which
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is
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$146.40. Our annual
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plowing and sanding costs
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are about
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$912. And to
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bring it up to
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standard, add
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some gravel and
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other things, it will be
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about $3,800.
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So, um, of course,
[2:02]
the gentleman who lives
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on Bundy was in favor of the
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board of elections
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canceling
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the construction of Bundy. Uh
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, then we went to
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Mears and met a
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lovely couple who
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live on Mears, and it's 0.13
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miles of sixth-
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class road, and the annual
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state highway construction grant
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we get to
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maintain it is
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$237.90. And our
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annual
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plowing and
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sanding costs are
[2:30]
$912.33. And again
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, to bring
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it up to full
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Class VI road standard, it would take
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about 2279. Erm,
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so Mr, uh, that nice
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couple we met
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on the Meersee, uh, they don't mind us
[2:41]
stopping it, but they
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want us to
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keep the
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culvert
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down. There is another
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culvert
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on the road leading up
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Mears.
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Remember when there
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was a wooden road there
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? There is a culvert there
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. They
[2:54]
will be there soon. Okay, this is where
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their
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easement runs
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to the camp. And uh, yeah,
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but they're asking us to
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support the one
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down the road. So,
[3:06]
Sugar Hill
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was obviously just
[3:08]
necessary, so the state
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is asking us to just
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stop building it again
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on this
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small lot.
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So we only approached
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the turn, where it
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seems there's a sign just past
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it saying "
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Passing is prohibited."
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So it's more of a
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household issue
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.
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Hmm. I don't know how it got there
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. So
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something random. So
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these are the things that
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obviously the Election
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Commission has, you know,
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within 60 days to
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put in
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writing, but
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I don't know if
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you want to just move
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on and deal with
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it tonight.
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Um, not sure what
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else you have left to
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think about. Then I can
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issue an order.
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I think we can
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deal with this
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now.
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Yes. The
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Sugar Hill lines are
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light. This is the Oops that
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happened many years
[3:53]
ago. Um, there's not even
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any question about
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that. Bundy...Bundi
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was...uh...
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Andrew...
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Andrew...Uh, no
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questions asked here. They...
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agree with that. Um,
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it's not a very good
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turn at the end of this
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road
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anyway, as far as I
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know, that would be
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obvious.
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Hmm. Do
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n't lose it.
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You need to
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think about this. And
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Mears Road, uh...yeah,
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anytime we don't have to
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park
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that big truck
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in that narrow
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driveway.
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Yes.
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Of course, it's not fun.
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Yeah, and that was...There was a
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photo that AJ sent of
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one of the trucks
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pulling out of the lot, and that
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was, um, on the Bundy
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last year, and we
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had to spend
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3,500 bucks on
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cable and Frontier
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to get them out. Hmm,
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Bundy and Mears
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Bundy. Oh.
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Yeah, but either they...
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Oh, they're all
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trucks with... So,
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um...
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And all the property owners are with
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us too.
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Yes, as long as you
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keep the
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culvert
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at the base... Do
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you have any questions? So, do
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you need a
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petition?
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We get...Yes,
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you need
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a petition to
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reclassify 0.08
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miles of Bundy, 0.13 miles of
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Mears, and 0.40 miles of Sugar
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Hill from Class III to...No,
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from...Never mind. Not from
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class III. From class III to...
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termination. Sorry.
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So it is proposed.
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Yes.
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Good. Everyone who is in favor?
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Good.
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Against? One more
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second.
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Sorry. Good.
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Oh, that makes sense.
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Yes. Good. Good. And I'll
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work on the letter and
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all that.
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Good. And now, uh,
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to approve the
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agenda, if there are any
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corrections or, uh,
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anything else?
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I don't have any, uh
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, additions.
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I propose to adopt
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the protocol.
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You know, I could
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add...No, I'm kidding.
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Yes. I think that's
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normal.
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Motion
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to approve the
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agenda. All in favor?
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Yes.
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Good. So now we
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move on to our
[6:19]
meeting with Lee and
[6:20]
Greg. Uh, Greg Hughes'
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fundraising task force
[6:25]
has re-approved phases one and
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two as
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outlined in his
[6:29]
presentation in the
[6:31]
document package. The second
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phase will begin
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only after the town
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meeting. He also
[6:36]
reaches out to the
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Vermont Community Foundation. He would like to
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get
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approval for the
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commitment form. This is not
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legally
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binding, but is a
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tool
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since the pool received
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the most votes. This is
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the project they
[6:50]
plan to implement
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after the
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election board
[6:53]
agrees. In
[6:55]
the future, Greg
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plans to hold
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a presentation on
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pool options to
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the public. Greg is
[7:01]
also willing to have the
[7:02]
task force take on
[7:04]
the task of finding in-
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kind work
[7:06]
in the form of
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grants. He believes
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that construction of
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the pool will
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not begin until the summer of 2028
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.
[7:16]
Do you have anyone else
[7:17]
you're waiting for
[7:18]
since we
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were asked to start 30
[7:20]
minutes early? Okay,
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and I think that was...
[7:23]
I tried to
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summarize our
[7:24]
conversation so that everyone
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could...
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That's good. Hmm, I'm not
[7:27]
sure how you
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want me to
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continue. I
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assume you've
[7:30]
read our report,
[7:31]
but if not, we could
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...I could go
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over and
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consider each of the
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five counts of the
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indictment. Or
[7:36]
if not, we can
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accept it, and we
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can ask...I would be
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happy to hear
[7:39]
questions and
[7:40]
answers, if you would
[7:41]
allow. I have
[7:42]
no questions. I
[7:43]
read this. I was
[7:44]
very satisfied.
[7:45]
Thank you very much for your
[7:46]
work.
[7:47]
Thanks, Dave.
[7:48]
Yes. And I read it, and
[7:50]
it's very detailed, and you
[7:51]
outlined everything we
[7:52]
need here. So, I'm
[7:54]
pleased with everything
[7:56]
you all presented.
[7:57]
Thank you very much for your
[7:58]
hard work,
[8:00]
Greg.
[8:00]
Thank you. Any other
[8:02]
questions, problems,
[8:04]
solutions, answers?
[8:22]
Or...um...Um...so you
[8:23]
saw...And it's similar to
[8:24]
what was in our
[8:26]
last one...
[8:27]
actually, it was
[8:28]
similar too. So we did
[8:31]
a little more
[8:31]
breakdown, but the contributions
[8:33]
and other things are the same.
[8:34]
One of the things
[8:35]
we talked about, and I
[8:36]
flagged it during
[8:37]
our conversation over
[8:38]
coffee. Congratulations on...Um...
[8:41]
you know, the
[8:43]
municipal
[8:45]
capital fund contribution of
[8:46]
about $100,000
[8:47]
instead of $200, which would be,
[8:49]
as you mentioned, a grant...
[8:52]
what... what
[8:53]
we have now plus...
[8:55]
Baron 25,000. And other than
[8:58]
that, it's all the same as what
[9:00]
was
[9:01]
filed on September 14th.
[9:03]
They had 2 weeks to
[9:04]
read it.
[9:05]
So, and obviously, as
[9:06]
you
[9:07]
progress, you will
[9:08]
need an electoral
[9:09]
council. Did
[9:10]
you need the Board of Elections
[9:11]
to
[9:12]
commit to
[9:13]
this
[9:13]
tonight, or is this something
[9:14]
you can do
[9:15]
later?
[9:15]
Um...no, I think at
[9:16]
this point we
[9:17]
can just
[9:18]
say it was
[9:19]
distributed, I think.
[9:20]
If you want to make a
[9:21]
commitment, it would be
[9:22]
right
[9:23]
if it was with a protocol, I would
[9:24]
say.
[9:24]
And, um,
[9:26]
this is something in...I'm currently
[9:27]
applying to the Vermont
[9:29]
Community Foundation. She
[9:33]
said 10 or 15
[9:34]
minutes to fill out
[9:36]
the application, not exactly. Um,
[9:37]
yes. Um, you
[9:38]
get into it,
[9:40]
they...they want a
[9:41]
lot of information.
[9:42]
But all of this is very similar
[9:44]
to what we did. And
[9:45]
one of the things would be that
[9:46]
any money
[9:48]
was approved. So
[9:49]
probably if you
[9:51]
had a request for
[9:52]
that, I could
[9:52]
present it in the
[9:54]
applications.
[9:56]
And, um, I mean,
[9:57]
like you said, they
[9:58]
should get what
[9:59]
you got, right
[10:01]
now. So I don't know
[10:03]
if you guys are ready to
[10:04]
do it at this
[10:05]
point - allocate this
[10:06]
money. A
[10:07]
hundred thousand?
[10:08]
Hmm. Yes.
[10:10]
Um, just to
[10:11]
avoid any
[10:12]
confusion on my part
[10:13]
, won't this affect the
[10:14]
ability to
[10:15]
use them? What is
[10:17]
this? In
[10:19]
kind you can't
[10:20]
take, you can't
[10:21]
take now until you
[10:22]
actually
[10:22]
sign.
[10:23]
some natural
[10:24]
help now. This
[10:25]
is called pre- or
[10:26]
post-award. Um
[10:27]
, pre-award–this is
[10:29]
money similar to what
[10:30]
we spend on
[10:31]
grant writing, with
[10:32]
two rivers that
[10:34]
will meet
[10:35]
the requirements. The money we
[10:36]
use to,
[10:38]
um, conduct
[10:39]
research will be
[10:40]
eligible.
[10:42]
So, even if it
[10:43]
came from the
[10:44]
Byrne Foundation to us for that hundred
[10:45]
thousand, we will take it
[10:46]
and make it part of
[10:48]
our
[10:48]
co-financing.
[10:49]
We just need
[10:50]
to be careful about
[10:51]
when we take this
[10:52]
money and how we
[10:53]
use it.
[10:54]
If you are going to
[10:55]
do a pre-
[10:56]
award distribution, it should
[10:57]
be in your budget
[10:58]
. But it's in our
[11:00]
budget. And it has to be
[11:01]
approved by the state.
[11:03]
Good.
[11:04]
You must
[11:05]
tread carefully,
[11:06]
especially with pre-
[11:07]
awarding. We don't
[11:08]
want someone to
[11:09]
just come and
[11:09]
do us a big
[11:10]
favor with their
[11:11]
excavator and
[11:12]
dig a hole. This
[11:12]
would cause
[11:13]
problems.
[11:15]
Good.
[11:18]
I'm fine.
[11:20]
So you want you to take
[11:22]
this step of
[11:23]
allocating this
[11:24]
funding for...
[11:26]
Oh yeah. I would, yes, I would
[11:29]
let someone
[11:30]
else.
[11:33]
So you want to
[11:34]
allocate existing
[11:35]
money or the
[11:36]
$100,000 that goes
[11:38]
into the existing
[11:40]
pool overhaul, which includes
[11:42]
$25,000 for the
[11:43]
shed package. That's all.
[11:46]
Good.
[11:47]
Second.
[11:47]
So it is proposed.
[11:51]
Okay, everyone, who's in favor?
[11:52]
Yes.
[11:54]
Against?
[11:55]
And MGM. And did you, um, have
[12:00]
any questions about the
[12:01]
form of commitment?
[12:05]
It was well
[12:06]
written. I just
[12:07]
said.
[12:10]
I was impressed that
[12:11]
she was very
[12:12]
detailed. It's all
[12:16]
like: Yes, I have another
[12:17]
one for your
[12:18]
approval, I'm just
[12:20]
working on it. This will be
[12:22]
if we
[12:23]
receive the money, the
[12:24]
receipt. Let
[12:25]
me send them
[12:26]
back, I will say that it
[12:26]
will be used for
[12:27]
public purposes and
[12:28]
you have not received
[12:29]
any proper
[12:29]
use of the services
[12:30]
and we are not providing you with
[12:31]
legal
[12:31]
advice.
[12:32]
Yes, that's good. Perfectly.
[12:35]
Thank you very much everyone.
[12:36]
Thank you. Does
[12:39]
anyone here have a
[12:39]
question for Greg?
[12:43]
No.
[12:44]
Good. David
[12:45]
, wait. We don't
[12:46]
...Are you raising your hand,
[12:48]
Anna? It looks like he's out
[12:53]
.
[12:53]
This is mine...No, mine...I'm
[12:54]
just holding it in my
[12:55]
mouth. I just want to
[12:57]
congratulate Greg for his
[12:58]
excellent efforts.
[12:59]
Oh, okay. Great
[13:01]
effort. Thank you
[13:03]
for your wonderful efforts.
[13:05]
Everything is fine.
[13:06]
Yes. I just
[13:06]
thought he
[13:07]
raised his hand, so I
[13:08]
wasn't sure.
[13:09]
It's on my face
[13:11]
.
[13:11]
Well, thank you so much
[13:12]
, Greg, for all
[13:13]
your hard
[13:14]
work and to the committee for
[13:15]
all their hard
[13:16]
work on everything
[13:17]
they do to
[13:18]
take care of this and get it
[13:19]
started.
[13:20]
We have to...Yes.
[13:26]
Okay, now
[13:27]
the meeting is open for
[13:28]
public
[13:28]
discussion of anything
[13:30]
that is not on the
[13:31]
agenda tonight
[13:32]
.
[13:34]
I would like to start
[13:35]
online because I
[13:36]
think, and I
[13:37]
apologize, that David
[13:39]
Alexander might be
[13:40]
here to talk
[13:41]
about the concerns
[13:42]
about the flags in the
[13:43]
cemetery. I'm not
[13:46]
sure if I have the
[13:47]
right person.
[13:48]
Then I
[13:49]
have a message on my desk to
[13:50]
call someone back,
[13:51]
and I think it might
[13:52]
be you.
[13:52]
Yes.
[13:53]
Okay, okay.
[13:54]
Yes, that was me. I...
[13:55]
Oh, okay. Good. Good.
[13:58]
A couple of times. I
[13:59]
understand you are Teresa
[14:00]
Kirby.
[14:01]
Yes. Yes, sir.
[14:02]
Yes, I called
[14:03]
a few times and
[14:04]
realized you were
[14:05]
quite busy. I
[14:08]
reviewed the
[14:09]
meeting minutes and did not see
[14:11]
where in the meetings
[14:12]
my letter,
[14:13]
which I sent to the
[14:14]
election commission, was addressed.
[14:18]
Yes, I sent it to
[14:19]
Joan Marshall because
[14:20]
she's the one who flies the
[14:24]
flags. So I
[14:25]
figured if you
[14:26]
talked to her and
[14:27]
she said you
[14:28]
talked, then you
[14:29]
guys talked. And
[14:30]
I can add this to the
[14:31]
next package of
[14:32]
documents from the election
[14:33]
commission. And I haven't had a
[14:35]
chance
[14:35]
to call you back, but
[14:36]
I know you had
[14:38]
concerns about
[14:39]
the flags that you
[14:40]
purchased but that
[14:41]
were taken down.
[14:41]
Yes. Yes, I spoke
[14:43]
to Joan. She
[14:46]
called me, and, uh
[14:47]
, I just want
[14:48]
to explain a few
[14:49]
things, make sure
[14:51]
I understand everything that
[14:52]
happened here.
[14:56]
As I understood it
[14:57]
before, the
[14:58]
American Legion
[14:59]
always placed
[15:00]
flags in
[15:01]
cemeteries, and I was under
[15:02]
the impression that
[15:03]
this is no longer the case, and the city of
[15:05]
Bethel is now purchasing
[15:06]
flags for
[15:06]
veterans in
[15:07]
cemeteries. Is that
[15:10]
correct?
[15:11]
Yes, that's right, sir.
[15:14]
Good. And as I
[15:16]
said in my letter,
[15:18]
I mean my
[15:19]
father, Pearly
[15:20]
Alexander, is
[15:21]
buried there. He is a
[15:23]
veteran of
[15:24]
World War II. He
[15:26]
fought on
[15:27]
Guadalcanal, and, as
[15:28]
he said, he went
[15:29]
through hell there. And my
[15:32]
great-grandfather, Henry
[15:33]
Davenport, a
[15:34]
Civil War veteran, is
[15:36]
also buried there.
[15:42]
He was a drummer
[15:43]
and then he went back to the
[15:45]
infantry, and because the
[15:46]
Legion in the past,
[15:47]
for the last 5-6
[15:48]
years I think, there
[15:49]
wasn't any money or there
[15:51]
wasn't any time, so I
[15:52]
bought my
[15:53]
own flags every year and
[15:54]
came around
[15:55]
Remembrance Day and
[15:56]
put up flags
[15:57]
on my
[15:58]
father's and great-grandfather's graves. And
[16:05]
this year, in
[16:05]
early May, I
[16:07]
went up and saw
[16:08]
that
[16:09]
new flags were hanging on their graves,
[16:10]
and I was very
[16:11]
happy about that. But then, when
[16:14]
I went back about a
[16:15]
month later, all the
[16:16]
flags in the
[16:17]
cemetery were gone
[16:18]
, and that confused me
[16:19]
. I am also a
[16:24]
Vietnam War veteran, and I
[16:25]
believe that flags
[16:26]
should be on
[16:27]
veterans' graves 365
[16:29]
days a year to
[16:30]
honor veterans
[16:31]
and the sacrifices they
[16:32]
made. And, as I
[16:38]
said, for the
[16:39]
last 5-6 years I have
[16:40]
been installing flags at my
[16:42]
own expense. And
[16:46]
I'm just curious
[16:48]
what...I got
[16:49]
the impression from Joan
[16:50]
that perhaps she and her
[16:51]
husband decided to
[16:53]
take down the flags to
[16:54]
keep them for another year,
[16:55]
which obviously I
[16:56]
disagree with. I told
[17:03]
Joan that if there
[17:09]
was a budget item to
[17:11]
purchase flags
[17:12]
for veterans in
[17:13]
cemeteries, then
[17:14]
perhaps the
[17:15]
city taxpayers would be
[17:16]
willing to do it.
[17:23]
Also, uh, Joanna
[17:24]
reminded me that I
[17:25]
was the only one who
[17:27]
complained, but, uh,
[17:28]
one of the phone
[17:29]
calls I
[17:31]
made to the
[17:32]
city clerk's office and, uh
[17:33]
, I spoke to, uh,
[17:35]
I think it was, uh,
[17:36]
Pam? This is the one who
[17:40]
said "Yes." And she
[17:42]
said I wasn't the
[17:43]
only one, she was
[17:45]
approached on the street by
[17:46]
other residents who
[17:47]
were also
[17:48]
concerned about
[17:48]
the lack of flags
[17:50]
. Uh, I just... I'm
[17:53]
sorry. Let's...
[17:54]
try a few
[17:55]
different ways.
[17:57]
We once
[17:57]
exhibited them for a whole
[17:59]
year. Some people
[18:00]
considered it disrespectful.
[18:03]
Then one time we
[18:04]
took them down in
[18:05]
November after
[18:06]
Veterans Day so they would
[18:07]
n't be in the snow all
[18:08]
winter and
[18:09]
put them back up in
[18:10]
May. And so we
[18:13]
tried it. Then
[18:14]
we also removed them
[18:15]
in October because you never
[18:16]
know how much snow
[18:18]
you're going to walk in. So it's
[18:19]
really interesting because
[18:20]
any veteran, and
[18:24]
Joanna and her husband
[18:25]
and their son served,
[18:27]
even veterans
[18:28]
seem to have a different
[18:29]
perspective on it. And I
[18:31]
always hesitate because I have
[18:32]
n't served myself. And it's hard to
[18:35]
know what's
[18:38]
best, because even,
[18:39]
you know, even some
[18:40]
veterans have different
[18:42]
opinions on whether
[18:43]
they should
[18:44]
hang out in the snow all year round
[18:45]
or take them off. Hmm, so of course it's
[18:46]
nice
[18:48]
to hear your opinion that 365
[18:49]
days a year, and
[18:50]
maybe that's something the
[18:53]
election commission should think about. And
[18:55]
we have a budget for
[18:56]
flags, and, um, we
[18:57]
started buying
[18:58]
better ones so that they,
[18:59]
you know, break, and
[19:00]
then
[19:01]
we use them in the summer on
[19:02]
lawn mowers and
[19:03]
other places. So we
[19:04]
tried
[19:05]
investing a little
[19:06]
more money in
[19:07]
higher quality flags.
[19:08]
So, hmm, maybe that's something the
[19:10]
election
[19:11]
commission really needs to
[19:12]
think about. Do
[19:14]
you know what other
[19:15]
cemeteries in your
[19:16]
area are doing? Do
[19:17]
they leave them there all year round?
[19:18]
I think so.
[19:22]
You know, I'm a
[19:23]
Randolph native, and, um, I
[19:25]
visit the East
[19:27]
Randolph Cemetery quite often.
[19:30]
My wife is buried there,
[19:32]
and, um, the flags
[19:33]
seem to hang there
[19:34]
all year round. I know
[19:38]
I've
[19:39]
been to
[19:39]
Randolph
[19:41]
-East Randolph Cemetery a few times this summer and all the
[19:42]
flags are still
[19:43]
flying over the
[19:43]
veterans.
[19:46]
Well, sure, can
[19:47]
I call around or
[19:48]
have one of
[19:49]
my staff
[19:51]
call around and
[19:52]
find out what people are doing
[19:53]
in the neighboring
[19:54]
towns and try to
[19:55]
make sure that we're,
[19:56]
you know, sensitive to
[19:57]
everyone's feelings.
[20:01]
Yes, because, as I said
[20:02]
, for the last
[20:03]
five or six years,
[20:05]
I mean, I would
[20:06]
come in May, and
[20:07]
my
[20:08]
father's and my great-grandfather's graves would still have the
[20:09]
old
[20:10]
flag from last
[20:11]
year hanging, and I would replace it
[20:13]
with a new flag that
[20:14]
I bought. Uh, I mean
[20:17]
, they used to be
[20:18]
left there for a
[20:19]
whole year. Yes,
[20:21]
they left. Therefore.
[20:23]
And, as I said, this is
[20:24]
my opinion, this is my
[20:25]
opinion.
[20:26]
Well, thank you. And yes, I'm
[20:27]
sorry I didn't
[20:28]
call you, but I'm
[20:29]
so glad you
[20:30]
came
[20:31]
tonight so we could
[20:32]
talk. Sorry,
[20:33]
but you know, I'll do a little more
[20:34]
research
[20:35]
on this and
[20:36]
then we'll talk. Let
[20:37]
the commission decide what
[20:39]
they want to do.
[20:40]
Good. Okay, I appreciate
[20:43]
that, because yeah, to
[20:44]
demolish them within,
[20:45]
you know, about, a
[20:47]
month after
[20:48]
Memorial Day, uh, I think, you
[20:50]
know, that's unacceptable to me
[20:53]
. And, and plus
[20:55]
, uh, you know, uh,
[20:56]
now, uh, after
[20:58]
the flags were gone, uh
[20:59]
, on my
[21:00]
next trip
[21:02]
there, I put
[21:03]
new flags on
[21:04]
my father's grave, my
[21:05]
great-grandfather's grave,
[21:07]
and I also put
[21:08]
one on Paul, uh,
[21:09]
Amel Sr. He's
[21:12]
another
[21:13]
World
[21:14]
War II veteran, and, uh, the family is a
[21:15]
friend of my family,
[21:16]
so I made sure to
[21:17]
put one on
[21:18]
his grave as well. And, uh,
[21:20]
so...Well,
[21:22]
thank you very much. And, uh,
[21:23]
I have your number, so
[21:24]
I'll be in touch with
[21:26]
you so you can
[21:27]
find out what
[21:28]
decision they're going to
[21:28]
make.
[21:29]
Okay, I appreciate that.
[21:31]
Thank you very much. Thank you.
[21:33]
Okay, thank you. Is there
[21:35]
anyone else online
[21:36]
who has public
[21:38]
comments? Dana and
[21:41]
Mel.
[21:43]
Just listening.
[21:45]
Okay, just okay.
[21:46]
So, no one
[21:47]
raises their hands. So,
[21:48]
I guess you're
[21:49]
okay with
[21:50]
the comments. If
[21:51]
you have public
[21:52]
comments about... Please
[21:53]
step up to
[21:54]
the microphone so you
[21:55]
can be heard.
[21:58]
I'm Penny Penny Griffin
[21:59]
.
[21:59]
Yes.
[22:02]
Um, my husband is a
[22:03]
veteran and noticed that
[22:04]
the flags were gone very
[22:05]
early and, um, talked
[22:07]
to Joanna about it and
[22:08]
we think they
[22:09]
should definitely be left on
[22:10]
much longer than
[22:12]
they were.
[22:13]
Do you think
[22:14]
they should
[22:14]
stay year-round?
[22:16]
I mean, it's
[22:17]
such a hard thing. I didn't
[22:18]
serve, and then there are
[22:19]
veterans who say,
[22:20]
"We took them off one
[22:21]
year in October." And people are
[22:22]
upset because they
[22:23]
weren't there for
[22:24]
Veterans Day. But if it's
[22:25]
really snowy,
[22:26]
you know, then you
[22:27]
walk around a pile of
[22:28]
snow, and then it's
[22:29]
disrespectful because,
[22:30]
you know, in the spring you have
[22:31]
broken flags?
[22:33]
Like I'm not the right person...
[22:34]
You know, I just don't
[22:35]
know. If I were serving, I
[22:37]
felt like I should have an
[22:38]
opinion, but I don't
[22:40]
. I don't know if I have the
[22:41]
right to do this.
[22:42]
Hmm, I would ask Fred
[22:43]
on my behalf. As a
[22:46]
veterinarian, I would
[22:47]
let him...I would
[22:48]
ask him what he
[22:49]
thinks.
[22:50]
Yes. He
[22:51]
was upset.
[22:52]
Yes.
[22:53]
They left.
[22:54]
Yes. Good. Well, that's
[22:55]
good to know. We'll have
[22:57]
to...Like I
[22:58]
said, I'll check with
[22:59]
other cities and
[22:59]
see what they're
[23:00]
doing.
[23:01]
And I don't know, maybe it's
[23:03]
worth asking a
[23:04]
question here for
[23:05]
decision-making, because
[23:06]
it's in this area...I
[23:07]
mean, I don't
[23:08]
think it should
[23:10]
just be a way
[23:10]
in...
[23:12]
No, no, I know. I know.
[23:14]
Yes.
[23:14]
I called them and
[23:16]
they had how much
[23:17]
bread and I serve
[23:18]
three cemeteries.
[23:18]
Yes. No, we just...
[23:20]
Yeah, it's just...
[23:21]
It was a little
[23:22]
unexpected.
[23:22]
I tried a few
[23:23]
different things and none
[23:24]
were satisfying.
[23:25]
Yes.
[23:26]
but thank you. Thank you.
[23:28]
Penny. Does anyone
[23:31]
else have any public
[23:31]
comments on
[23:32]
anything that is not on the
[23:34]
agenda?
[23:38]
I'm Barb Nickerson. I am
[23:41]
concerned about the two rivers and
[23:42]
this new planning for
[23:43]
Redhill. I talked
[23:46]
about this with Teresa. I
[23:47]
talked about this with
[23:49]
Dana. And I know there
[23:51]
will be a meeting on Wednesday.
[23:52]
I cannot be
[23:53]
present. I would
[23:54]
urge the election
[23:56]
commission to please
[23:57]
visit it to
[23:58]
find out what
[23:59]
people are saying, because it's
[24:00]
not just me.
[24:01]
No.
[24:02]
I'm the only one who says anything about
[24:04]
it.
[24:05]
Yes. Uh, Denise and I
[24:07]
plan to
[24:08]
attend.
[24:10]
I think you all
[24:11]
should, because you
[24:12]
represent Bethel.
[24:14]
So get out there and
[24:15]
see what
[24:16]
happens. So
[24:18]
many people
[24:19]
have no idea. They are
[24:20]
changing what we
[24:21]
can do with our
[24:22]
property
[24:24]
using maps
[24:25]
they have taken from the sky.
[24:26]
Hmm.
[24:28]
And they don't tell us.
[24:29]
Yes.
[24:30]
So if you know
[24:31]
this is happening,
[24:32]
you can decide you
[24:33]
want to
[24:34]
do something, and suddenly you
[24:35]
find your own piece of
[24:37]
land in the wetlands
[24:38]
.
[24:39]
Right.
[24:40]
They can't just
[24:42]
change what my
[24:43]
land is without telling
[24:44]
me.
[24:45]
Right.
[24:45]
They say, "Well, you
[24:47]
can look at the
[24:48]
maps." Well, all it
[24:49]
says when I
[24:50]
try to enter
[24:51]
my address is that
[24:52]
it is unavailable.
[24:53]
Yes.
[24:54]
So I don't know how to
[24:55]
do it. So,
[24:57]
send me everyone
[24:58]
so I can get a
[24:59]
piece of paper from this
[25:00]
Two Rivers group that
[25:01]
says what
[25:02]
they're going to
[25:03]
do. Because they
[25:05]
just do it.
[25:08]
Right. And you
[25:09]
said you raised
[25:10]
your concerns with the
[25:11]
planning commission,
[25:12]
which is great.
[25:12]
I did it.
[25:13]
And I checked to see if
[25:14]
all the planning issues were heard
[25:15]
,
[25:16]
honestly.
[25:17]
But I talked to the
[25:19]
planning commission. Um, I
[25:20]
emailed
[25:21]
Dana and Tina and them to
[25:22]
see how
[25:23]
they feel about
[25:24]
this, because I know that
[25:25]
my understanding of the
[25:26]
regional plan
[25:27]
they're proposing
[25:29]
is a rollback
[25:29]
version of what
[25:31]
we have now. So,
[25:32]
if the regional
[25:32]
plan they are
[25:33]
proposing is not
[25:34]
approved, we will be
[25:35]
left with the
[25:35]
regional plan
[25:36]
we have. And I know, as
[25:39]
you probably know, that once the
[25:40]
regional plan
[25:41]
is adopted, it will
[25:42]
still have to
[25:43]
go to the
[25:44]
state for review, but that
[25:45]
seems a little
[25:48]
uncertain.
[25:49]
Yeah, I don't think Two
[25:51]
Rivers necessarily
[25:52]
gets a fast and
[25:56]
hard contribution from
[25:57]
Learn. I think I
[25:58]
agree that
[25:59]
indefinite is a
[26:00]
term, I would say,
[26:01]
yes, definitely.
[26:02]
They are just people like
[26:03]
you and me making
[26:05]
these decisions.
[26:06]
Yes.
[26:07]
We didn't choose them.
[26:08]
No. We didn't choose.
[26:10]
So I don't understand
[26:11]
why they can
[26:12]
seize power.
[26:13]
Yes, I don't know.
[26:15]
Of course, you could
[26:16]
say that, but we're
[26:17]
going to leave on
[26:18]
Wednesday, so I
[26:19]
talked to them. So
[26:20]
I tried behind
[26:21]
the scenes,
[26:21]
at least when you
[26:22]
got your
[26:23]
information and
[26:24]
talked to them.
[26:25]
Like, what's going on
[26:26]
? What's up with this? So, we're
[26:28]
meeting on Wednesday,
[26:29]
um, from 6:00 to 9:00 p.m., so
[26:30]
hopefully we'll be
[26:32]
, you know, better
[26:33]
informed.
[26:34]
Hopefully, or
[26:35]
at least we will provide you with
[26:36]
some information.
[26:38]
Good.
[26:38]
Thank you, Bert.
[26:40]
How are you? From
[26:41]
6:00 PM to 9:00 PM.
[26:45]
Here. Yes.
[26:47]
Tell me your name.
[26:49]
Bill Hall. I'm a veteran,
[26:51]
and, uh, I think it would be
[26:52]
nice if the
[26:53]
flags were flown
[26:55]
year-round. But I
[26:58]
understand money,
[26:59]
budgets, etc., but, uh,
[27:01]
if the flag is
[27:02]
damaged,
[27:02]
toppled, or
[27:04]
broken, it
[27:05]
needs to be removed. And
[27:08]
I believe it should be
[27:10]
displayed all
[27:11]
year round.
[27:12]
Good. So it's my
[27:14]
business, okay? And so
[27:15]
it's not like, it's
[27:16]
normal, you don't
[27:17]
care if it's
[27:18]
buried in snow or
[27:19]
anything like that. It's not... I
[27:20]
just want to know what
[27:21]
disrespect is, because I'm
[27:23]
so afraid of making the
[27:23]
wrong choice
[27:25]
, the wrong
[27:26]
decision. But you're a
[27:27]
veteran and you don't
[27:28]
feel like it's
[27:30]
me...the whole point is that
[27:31]
disrespect for the flag is
[27:32]
broken and lying on the
[27:33]
ground in the mud.
[27:35]
Yes, I agree.
[27:38]
The flag buried under the
[27:39]
snow...I can
[27:40]
understand that it's
[27:41]
disrespectful, but, you know,
[27:42]
we go back to
[27:43]
different wars where
[27:44]
the guys were out there, they
[27:46]
fought in the snow. I
[27:49]
mean, they were
[27:50]
there, you know, that's true
[27:51]
for the long
[27:52]
term.
[27:53]
Yeah, but it's nice to
[27:54]
hear your opinion, and
[27:56]
to say that, you know, I'm
[27:57]
saying that I had
[27:58]
someone
[27:59]
buried there, and I went to
[28:00]
visit them in
[28:01]
December because it was
[28:03]
their
[28:03]
birthday. It would be
[28:05]
nice to see
[28:06]
the flag there, and I would
[28:07]
clear the snow.
[28:08]
Yes. Well, thank you. This is
[28:09]
really useful.
[28:11]
Thank you, Dale.
[28:14]
Chris, I know a guy
[28:15]
who runs the
[28:16]
veterans cemetery
[28:17]
in Randolph.
[28:18]
Hmm.
[28:19]
So let's see if
[28:20]
they do it.
[28:21]
Yes, that would be helpful
[28:22]
. Yes, just so you know.
[28:24]
Yes.
[28:24]
Wrong. That's right
[28:25]
,
[28:26]
and that's right, and that's beautiful.
[28:27]
This is a beautiful cemetery.
[28:28]
That would be good. I
[28:30]
know they are very
[28:31]
strict about the
[28:32]
rules about wreaths and
[28:33]
stuff because
[28:34]
my father was once buried there.
[28:35]
And if you don't get
[28:36]
there on the right day
[28:37]
, your wreath
[28:38]
will be left in a
[28:39]
huge pile. And
[28:40]
yes, my husband
[28:42]
went through it one year because
[28:43]
his mom had
[28:44]
something special there. He
[28:45]
was there for a while.
[28:47]
He's like, "I
[28:47]
really should have
[28:48]
left when she
[28:49]
told me." "So, uh,
[28:50]
but that could be it,
[28:52]
I could also look
[28:53]
at their website.
[28:54]
Or not do what
[28:55]
we're doing, but then there's
[28:56]
more
[28:56]
information.
[28:57]
Thanks, or, you know, I
[28:58]
could...I'll look
[28:59]
at their website too and
[29:00]
see, uh, that's a
[29:01]
good option.
[29:02]
Thanks.
[29:03]
Yeah, my dad
[29:04]
has
[29:05]
a flag at the cemetery in Barrie, and I think they'll
[29:07]
take it down before the winter.
[29:08]
Because when I go down there,
[29:10]
like, in April
[29:11]
or something, they're
[29:12]
not there. But we could
[29:13]
check out the
[29:15]
veterans' cemetery and, you know,
[29:16]
talk to the
[29:17]
veterans in this
[29:18]
town.
[29:19]
That's a great idea.
[29:20]
Thanks.
[29:22]
for your input.
[29:25]
Any other
[29:29]
public comments
[29:30]
on things that aren't
[29:31]
on the
[29:32]
agenda?
[29:33]
I'm Susan's neighbor again
[29:34]
. Uh, is there a
[29:37]
policy for
[29:43]
removing problem
[29:45]
trees along the road
[29:46]
that are definitely going to fall on the
[29:47]
road?
[29:51]
You could just
[29:52]
let AJ know, and
[29:53]
if he wants an
[29:54]
opinion, he can
[29:55]
talk to the
[29:56]
road worker
[29:57]
. He can talk
[29:58]
to the
[29:59]
arborist, Jeb.
[30:00]
Okay.
[30:01]
If you know, if...
[30:02]
" It's sick or something
[30:03]
, so, well,
[30:04]
it's going to be on the
[30:06]
road right now, so
[30:07]
if you send
[30:08]
me a picture or an
[30:09]
address or something, I'll
[30:10]
make sure he
[30:11]
gets...
[30:12]
Okay. Yes. OK.
[30:14]
With
[30:14]
pleasure.
[30:15]
Thank you, Penny.
[30:19]
Any other
[30:19]
public comments?
[30:23]
Good. Now we will
[30:27]
move on to item
[30:28]
one, the
[30:29]
city garage documents, uh, the
[30:32]
capital
[30:33]
construction decision, B,
[30:34]
a declaration of the
[30:34]
official intent of
[30:35]
the city of Bethel to
[30:36]
reimburse certain
[30:37]
expenses from the proceeds
[30:39]
of the debt up to
[30:40]
500,000 and see the
[30:41]
official
[30:41]
warning at the
[30:42]
special
[30:44]
Bethel city meeting. So,
[30:48]
talk a little bit about
[30:49]
that. Um, let me
[30:52]
go to the right
[30:53]
page.
[30:54]
The suggestion is
[30:55]
to make a suggestion first.
[30:56]
Yes.
[30:57]
Make a suggestion
[30:58]
first.
[31:01]
Yes. Yes.
[31:12]
Secondly.
[31:13]
Good. Now we have a
[31:14]
discussion. Good.
[31:21]
So, obviously. So, the
[31:23]
first one is the resolution in the
[31:24]
package. Apparently, it's about,
[31:27]
you know, essentially, we
[31:28]
need to build a
[31:30]
new city parking garage,
[31:31]
about 8,800
[31:32]
square feet, and
[31:33]
related
[31:34]
improvements, and we're
[31:35]
now at...3.5 million.
[31:37]
So, I will tell you that
[31:38]
we are not quite at the
[31:40]
3.5 mark. We are at the
[31:41]
3.4 mark, and there are some
[31:44]
changes. And, um, but if
[31:47]
you weren't able to
[31:48]
watch the video
[31:49]
or go to the
[31:50]
open house, there's
[31:53]
drywall at the city garage. And in the 80s
[31:56]
or 90s, we were
[31:57]
getting, like in the
[31:59]
United States,
[32:00]
drywall from China,
[32:01]
which could contain
[32:03]
asbestos. So if we
[32:05]
pass the
[32:06]
asbestos test, then
[32:07]
obviously we will have to
[32:08]
do
[32:09]
asbestos abatement.
[32:11]
Another thing is, we are demolishing the
[32:12]
existing city
[32:13]
garage, so we
[32:14]
are going to build
[32:16]
on the same site. So
[32:18]
hopefully they
[32:19]
won't find anything there
[32:20]
when they
[32:21]
tear it down and
[32:22]
take away all the concrete.
[32:23]
So, the reason for the 3.5
[32:27]
is that
[32:28]
if they
[32:29]
find something under it or
[32:31]
if there is
[32:32]
asbestos cleanup, then that's
[32:33]
just the cost, which
[32:35]
is an unknown variable.
[32:37]
We have...5% for
[32:37]
unforeseen
[32:38]
expenses, but that
[32:40]
may not be
[32:40]
enough. We also
[32:42]
think we
[32:43]
may have
[32:43]
asbestos
[32:44]
sewer pipes. So we are
[32:46]
waiting for that. The other
[32:49]
thing is, I have
[32:50]
about
[32:51]
$100,000 in capital
[32:52]
funds in reserve to, you know,
[32:54]
use to
[32:55]
pay for things
[32:56]
like...I don't...We don't
[32:57]
pay, no
[32:58]
offense, Joe, but we
[32:59]
don't pay for
[33:00]
legal fees.
[33:03]
Over the next 30
[33:04]
years and with
[33:05]
interest. We do
[33:06]
n't do that. This is advertising.
[33:08]
We are going to
[33:08]
pay for this from the
[33:09]
general fund.
[33:10]
Legal Services
[33:11]
will pay for this from the
[33:12]
general fund. Um, the
[33:13]
clerk of works or
[33:14]
someone who will manage the
[33:15]
photographers
[33:16]
will pay for it either from the
[33:17]
general fund or
[33:18]
from that $100,000.
[33:19]
So I'm not planning on
[33:20]
putting, you know,
[33:21]
any tables or anything
[33:22]
crazy into this fund
[33:24]
. It will actually
[33:25]
just be a garage. And, um,
[33:27]
it's going to look like this...
[33:28]
If you look at the
[33:29]
city website, I
[33:30]
have some renderings that I
[33:31]
need to
[33:32]
post. And...It will be
[33:33]
essentially the same as what
[33:34]
you see
[33:35]
now, only newer.
[33:37]
There will be an additional
[33:38]
compartment. If
[33:39]
you look from the front, there
[33:40]
will be an
[33:40]
additional compartment on the left.
[33:42]
It will be about
[33:43]
10 feet longer. Hmm,
[33:45]
that's all. We're going to have to
[33:47]
install a wall that's
[33:49]
going to be concrete, with, uh, an
[33:51]
epoxy-coated concrete block
[33:53]
in the middle, because we can't
[33:54]
sand it.
[33:55]
We have no
[33:56]
water supply. We
[33:57]
don't have a place to place a
[33:58]
bet. So
[33:59]
this is what we needed to
[34:01]
do to, uh,
[34:02]
meet those
[34:03]
criteria. Hmm, there
[34:04]
will be an office, a
[34:05]
bathroom, a
[34:06]
recreation room, which is new.
[34:07]
They don't have a
[34:08]
lounge. And then a
[34:09]
vault that they
[34:10]
can lock up, because
[34:11]
as you all know,
[34:12]
this property has
[34:13]
been broken into before. So
[34:14]
, uh, we hope
[34:15]
things don't get
[34:16]
stolen. Uh, now
[34:17]
we have...We'll call it a
[34:19]
mezzanine, very loosely.
[34:21]
You can only get to it by ladder
[34:22]
. And wooden. So
[34:23]
we'll have...a mezzanine
[34:25]
upstairs to make it
[34:26]
heavier. There will be
[34:27]
shelves so the guys
[34:28]
can store
[34:29]
parts there. Um, but it's all,
[34:30]
you know, radiant
[34:32]
heat, which is a little more
[34:32]
expensive up front, but
[34:34]
will be more
[34:34]
cost-effective
[34:36]
in the long
[34:37]
run. Our
[34:38]
backup heating
[34:39]
is that we're
[34:40]
going to
[34:41]
reuse our
[34:42]
existing, uh, used fuel oil furnace
[34:44]
. So, we have already
[34:45]
dismantled the
[34:46]
underground fuel
[34:47]
tank. We installed a
[34:48]
new ground
[34:49]
fuel tank. We
[34:50]
did all of this. So, uh
[34:51]
, we'll have
[34:53]
better numbers too. These are
[34:54]
preliminary figures.
[34:55]
We hope that when
[34:56]
we announce the tender,
[34:57]
we have several
[34:58]
local contractors
[34:58]
interested in
[34:59]
parts of it. Er,
[35:00]
demolition,
[35:01]
construction...er,
[35:02]
concreting and
[35:03]
earthworks. So maybe
[35:04]
we'll see
[35:05]
some savings there.
[35:06]
So, you know, it
[35:09]
needs to be done. It's
[35:10]
just life safety
[35:12]
at the moment. We
[35:13]
need to reinforce
[35:14]
one wall so it can
[35:15]
survive the winter, uh, in
[35:17]
the hopes that we just...
[35:18]
That's it. You know how
[35:19]
someone said, "Well, you
[35:20]
could sneak a
[35:21]
German Shepherd
[35:22]
through some holes in
[35:23]
..." a wall, or a cat,
[35:24]
or something. “Um,
[35:25]
just so you know,
[35:26]
but if you want to
[35:27]
watch the video, there’s a
[35:28]
link to it on
[35:29]
our website. Um,
[35:30]
you can also see it
[35:32]
on Orcomedia, I think. Then
[35:33]
maybe not. In
[35:34]
any case, it is on
[35:35]
our website. So
[35:36]
you can
[35:37]
see him there. And I
[35:38]
will upload some
[35:38]
draft documents.
[35:40]
We will have two
[35:41]
newsletters
[35:42]
regarding bonds.
[35:43]
The first will be on October 12,
[35:44]
Columbus Day. Um, and
[35:47]
the contractor, the
[35:47]
general
[35:48]
contractor who's
[35:49]
doing this, will be here
[35:50]
for that. And then
[35:53]
we'll have another one, um, on the
[35:55]
20th-28th. So, the 12th and the 26th
[35:58]
. Um, we're also
[36:00]
going to put out a
[36:01]
little newsletter. Um
[36:03]
, yes, 6 cents per
[36:04]
tax rate. Um,
[36:07]
but I posted it
[36:08]
there, how many
[36:09]
cents it is every day, etc.
[36:11]
But, again,
[36:12]
you know, any
[36:13]
savings, because
[36:14]
we have, um,
[36:15]
design,
[36:16]
construction, and we have an
[36:17]
open book,
[36:18]
any savings that…”
[36:19]
comes back to us.
[36:20]
Any savings
[36:21]
occur during the
[36:22]
term of the contract, after
[36:23]
it is
[36:24]
put out to
[36:24]
tender. So, that
[36:25]
will reduce the amount of the
[36:26]
bond
[36:27]
eventually before we, you
[36:28]
know, get the
[36:30]
money. So, um, you know,
[36:33]
we... Another reason
[36:34]
we waited, well,
[36:35]
one of them is money.
[36:37]
We had
[36:37]
water projects
[36:38]
and other things to do, but
[36:39]
we also have a
[36:40]
bond vote
[36:41]
coming up. Uh, the
[36:42]
Church Street Bridge is
[36:43]
almost done. The city
[36:45]
hall is almost ready.
[36:46]
There is a water bond
[36:47]
that is almost ready.
[36:48]
So, the fire truck,
[36:49]
so one of the fire
[36:51]
trucks is almost ready.
[36:52]
So we
[36:53]
will of course look for
[36:54]
budget cuts
[36:55]
to offset
[36:56]
the price. At the moment,
[36:58]
this is the
[36:58]
highest level
[36:59]
we could reach, we have
[37:00]
gone as
[37:01]
far as
[37:02]
possible. So, just
[37:03]
wanted to let you know.
[37:04]
So, if you have
[37:05]
any questions about
[37:06]
this, I'll
[37:07]
answer them.
[37:08]
Um, other than that, we'll
[37:09]
just move on to
[37:10]
signing the
[37:10]
documents. And you
[37:11]
will vote on
[37:12]
the bond on November 3rd
[37:13]
, when you
[37:14]
vote for
[37:15]
state offices, your
[37:17]
state ballot...to be
[37:18]
mailed to you,
[37:19]
but you will need to
[37:20]
vote
[37:21]
in person to
[37:21]
vote on the
[37:22]
bond, or
[37:23]
ask Pam for an
[37:24]
absentee bond.
[37:26]
Justin, who's online?
[37:28]
Justin, okay.
[37:29]
Hello, Justin.
[37:30]
Hey, I'm just
[37:33]
glad we're
[37:34]
building this, whatever it is
[37:35]
, but I'm a little
[37:36]
concerned that
[37:37]
we don't have enough
[37:38]
money for the
[37:38]
contaminated soil
[37:39]
that will be under this
[37:40]
building. I actually
[37:42]
did a couple of garages
[37:44]
for the state, uh, we were
[37:45]
part of the projects.
[37:47]
Each time, it cost
[37:48]
over a million
[37:49]
dollars to remove the
[37:50]
contaminated soil,
[37:51]
transport it to
[37:52]
Coventry, bring in
[37:53]
new soil, and
[37:54]
re-compaction
[37:55]
it. And I mean, these are the
[37:57]
last two
[37:58]
jobs I've done
[37:59]
for the state, these are what
[38:00]
we had to do.
[38:01]
So a hundred, a hundred thousand
[38:02]
dollars is just not
[38:03]
enough to
[38:04]
take care of the
[38:05]
contaminated soil
[38:06]
that I almost
[38:07]
guarantee
[38:08]
is under this
[38:09]
building if it was a
[38:10]
city garage for 50, 60, 80
[38:12]
years, however long
[38:13]
it lived. there.
[38:14]
There's oil there, there's
[38:15]
all sorts of things that
[38:16]
have gone through this
[38:17]
concrete and are being absorbed
[38:18]
into this soil. And every
[38:20]
particle needs to be
[38:21]
gotten rid of. I
[38:22]
mean, I watched
[38:24]
...I don't even know
[38:25]
how many dump trucks...
[38:26]
it delayed the work for
[38:27]
probably about 9
[38:28]
months while they
[38:30]
took dump truck after dump
[38:31]
truck out of the facility.
[38:33]
Yes.
[38:33]
It could be a lot of
[38:35]
money, and I'm just
[38:36]
concerned that
[38:37]
we're just, you know,
[38:38]
it's going to be a lot of money
[38:39]
, let alone
[38:40]
building a building.
[38:41]
Yes. You are not
[38:42]
wrong. I
[38:43]
mean, it's...You're
[38:45]
right. There are some
[38:46]
unknowns. We
[38:48]
are going to do
[38:49]
some
[38:50]
soil testing. We know
[38:52]
we did this many
[38:53]
years ago when Gary
[38:54]
Slack was still a roadmaster
[38:56]
. We had a
[38:58]
leak in the tank and
[38:59]
we had...They
[39:00]
dug it out and they
[39:01]
did all the
[39:02]
soil tests
[39:03]
and took care of it. We
[39:05]
simply removed our
[39:06]
underground tank
[39:07]
and tested it all
[39:08]
. We didn't have any soil
[39:10]
that we had to
[39:11]
aerate or
[39:12]
do anything with. with. The good thing for
[39:14]
us is that if there
[39:15]
was contaminated
[39:16]
soil there, we could
[39:17]
leave them in place
[39:18]
and cover them with a tarp
[39:19]
because we have
[39:20]
enough space there.
[39:21]
We might be able to
[39:22]
do that so we don't
[39:23]
have to take them to
[39:24]
Coventry, depending on
[39:25]
what they
[39:26]
find, of course,
[39:27]
Justin. But it is
[39:28]
certainly possible.
[39:32]
We tried to
[39:33]
remove all
[39:33]
obstacles, but yeah, we'll
[39:35]
find out, and, you know,
[39:36]
we'll just have
[39:37]
to...We'll have to
[39:39]
deal with it. And if it
[39:41]
all works out that way, and if
[39:42]
we have to have a
[39:43]
second
[39:45]
bond vote or something else
[39:46]
happens, and this is what
[39:47]
will happen. But I'm going to be
[39:49]
cautious,
[39:50]
mostly
[39:51]
optimistic, and, um,
[39:52]
but, um, but I appreciate
[39:54]
your thoughts, because yeah,
[39:55]
you know, we could
[39:56]
find Goff there,
[39:57]
Justin. I don't know.
[40:00]
So thank you, and that we will have
[40:03]
another
[40:04]
meeting with
[40:04]
the contractor soon, and I will
[40:05]
definitely have
[40:07]
this conversation with him. So
[40:08]
thank you.
[40:14]
Any other
[40:14]
comments,
[40:15]
suggestions?
[40:16]
Yes, you want me to
[40:17]
help you get
[40:18]
three and a half
[40:19]
million and still
[40:20]
have...I started
[40:21]
saying we
[40:22]
could save a
[40:22]
million. It
[40:23]
will be so. It will be, I
[40:24]
was hoping I was
[40:26]
at level 2.8 and then I
[40:27]
posted a request for
[40:28]
proposals at level
[40:30]
2.1 and I knew which one?
[40:31]
2.8. And then it's just the
[40:34]
price. Honestly, it's
[40:35]
just the cost of
[40:36]
everything. Nothing will
[40:37]
be destroyed. Large
[40:38]
metal building. Um
[40:39]
, so we did one
[40:40]
of the things
[40:41]
Dave is looking at. I
[40:42]
gave him the data
[40:43]
today because
[40:44]
he works on
[40:45]
committees. Reduce what
[40:46]
we need
[40:48]
for the service. We
[40:49]
currently have 100
[40:50]
amp service. They were talking
[40:51]
about 400, 600, 800, you know,
[40:53]
can we reduce
[40:54]
that? And here's Dave
[40:55]
looking at it. The data
[40:56]
just came in
[40:57]
today. I think he
[40:58]
understood.
[40:59]
Yes, he understood.
[41:00]
Emm.
[41:00]
The other is CBES.
[41:02]
Yes.
[41:02]
We asked them and they
[41:04]
said yes, they
[41:05]
could use
[41:06]
CBES, but the governor
[41:07]
said no.
[41:08]
Yes, that's right. That's another thing
[41:10]
we
[41:11]
talked about.
[41:12]
Yes, this is an energy
[41:13]
standard for
[41:13]
commercial buildings
[41:14]
, so this will be a topic for
[41:16]
discussion with them. And these are
[41:17]
obviously the numbers
[41:19]
they use,
[41:20]
from garages,
[41:21]
projects like this, or, you know,
[41:23]
talking to a few
[41:24]
contractors. The tender has
[41:26]
not yet been held. So
[41:27]
we hope
[41:28]
to see some
[41:29]
savings. And it's just like
[41:30]
we do with
[41:31]
all our other
[41:32]
bonds. It's 3.5, just like
[41:33]
when we did
[41:34]
water projects
[41:36]
, we do the same thing,
[41:37]
meaning the vote
[41:38]
says it
[41:39]
will be reduced
[41:40]
through, you know,
[41:41]
savings during the
[41:42]
project or other
[41:43]
funds. If someone
[41:44]
wants to donate,
[41:45]
you know, a million
[41:46]
dollars for us to
[41:47]
build a city
[41:48]
garage, we'll take it.
[41:50]
So, um, that's how we
[41:52]
got there. Basically,
[41:53]
you know, I was really wishing
[41:54]
for a
[41:55]
reality, to be honest.
[41:57]
And I was trying to
[41:57]
support 2.8, which I
[41:58]
think we can
[41:59]
afford, which we
[42:00]
can do, but I
[42:01]
can't, you know,
[42:02]
build it for...
[42:03]
And remind you, if we...
[42:05]
see
[42:06]
if you'll share,
[42:07]
for example... a table, but
[42:08]
it's sold out to 2.8,
[42:09]
or we don't have that
[42:11]
number.
[42:11]
I don't think so. No,
[42:12]
because I just
[42:13]
tried to
[42:14]
go back to that
[42:15]
to see what I
[42:16]
think we can
[42:18]
afford, and
[42:19]
then with the 3. you know, with
[42:20]
this 3.4 something, I
[42:21]
can't remember right now, but, um, I
[42:22]
looked at his
[42:23]
numbers, Dave
[42:24]
looked at his
[42:25]
numbers, and obviously we're
[42:26]
hoping
[42:27]
to see some
[42:28]
savings because that's
[42:29]
just the upfront
[42:30]
cost of construction
[42:31]
. So I wanted to have some
[42:33]
extra
[42:35]
wiggle room with my
[42:36]
budget, but
[42:37]
obviously I
[42:38]
like something,
[42:39]
hopefully I won't have to
[42:41]
spend a fortune, and, um, and
[42:42]
like I said, the things
[42:44]
that were in their
[42:45]
room were, um, they
[42:46]
had $30,000 in
[42:48]
legal fees. What
[42:49]
we do with it, I wouldn't
[42:50]
predict, and
[42:51]
I don't need to. And
[42:53]
this is an AIA contract, so
[42:54]
we're just going to
[42:55]
review it and not
[42:56]
waste any time. So, there are
[42:57]
some things that we're
[42:58]
removing, like
[42:59]
if we're, you know, a clerk of
[43:00]
works, we're not going to
[43:00]
pay for it through
[43:01]
bonds. We've been paying
[43:03]
for some of this
[43:04]
for 15 years.
[43:05]
So, have we seen a
[43:06]
breakdown of who...
[43:07]
No, probably not yet, no.
[43:10]
Data.
[43:10]
Yes, because yes, we
[43:12]
need data.
[43:13]
Yeah, about...Yeah,
[43:14]
that would certainly, yeah,
[43:15]
put that in the
[43:15]
next package and, um,
[43:16]
well, and like I said,
[43:17]
they were all just
[43:18]
preliminary, and, um,
[43:19]
but we obviously
[43:20]
needed to
[43:21]
move forward,
[43:21]
obviously we
[43:22]
need to move
[43:23]
forward with the
[43:24]
bond vote. Once
[43:25]
it is passed
[43:26]
they will be able to
[43:27]
afford it, we can't
[43:27]
let them
[43:28]
start until we
[43:29]
have the money. So it's kind of
[43:30]
, you know, how the
[43:31]
process goes. Do
[43:33]
you really have other
[43:34]
numbers on this matter?
[43:35]
No, I need to
[43:36]
know, I know I have to.
[43:38]
honestly,
[43:39]
keep
[43:39]
selling these assets
[43:40]
for $3.5, I
[43:41]
mean I can't
[43:42]
say that's
[43:43]
good enough. I mean
[43:44]
...Okay, so I
[43:45]
trust you, I'll buy the
[43:46]
assets.
[43:47]
Yes, I'm just saying that
[43:48]
because we need
[43:48]
them
[43:49]
signed right
[43:50]
now to move to the
[43:51]
bond vote in
[43:52]
November. 3rd. Um, there's a
[43:55]
legislative
[43:56]
process that we
[43:57]
have to go through,
[43:58]
how many weeks does this have to
[43:59]
take, um, how many
[44:01]
weeks does this have to take
[44:02]
, um, what you, uh,
[44:04]
notice and all that stuff
[44:05]
, and what
[44:07]
you're asking is to
[44:08]
put it all on
[44:09]
Dave's shoulders to
[44:10]
review... Well,
[44:12]
we just looked at the
[44:13]
preliminary cost, and
[44:15]
you're... Sorry, I didn't
[44:16]
include that in your
[44:17]
package... Um,
[44:18]
I'm not trying to be
[44:19]
complicated, but...
[44:20]
No, I'm just not
[44:21]
sure what
[44:22]
would change if you
[44:23]
saw that...
[44:23]
I think it would still
[44:24]
go to a vote,
[44:25]
people could...
[44:26]
It would still go to a vote
[44:27]
, and we
[44:27]
could... Sorry.
[44:28]
I have to
[44:29]
approve this again. I don't want to
[44:30]
go back.
[44:31]
No, and essentially the only thing
[44:32]
you're doing is
[44:33]
allowing this to
[44:34]
move forward to
[44:35]
go to a vote.
[44:36]
Right.
[44:37]
So we can...I
[44:38]
certainly plan to
[44:39]
publish, you know,
[44:41]
all the data. We
[44:42]
published everything. I...
[44:43]
Sorry, I didn't include
[44:44]
that in your package...
[44:46]
Um... And, uh, but like we
[44:47]
said, if... This is
[44:48]
just the upfront
[44:49]
cost of construction
[44:51]
, just like we would
[44:52]
see government
[44:53]
spending on
[44:53]
building a wall or
[44:55]
something. So,
[44:57]
Dave and I had
[44:58]
one meeting with them
[44:59]
when Dave wasn't there. And
[45:01]
then, as soon as they
[45:02]
go out to tender, they are
[45:04]
eliminated. We'll
[45:05]
see, you know,
[45:06]
what the cost will be, and
[45:07]
we can certainly
[45:09]
include all of that in there.
[45:12]
So, if you're not
[45:14]
okay with that, then we...
[45:17]
Basically,
[45:18]
well, I need to have a
[45:18]
special
[45:19]
meeting. I'm trying to
[45:20]
think because I have to...
[45:22]
It's basically not
[45:22]
to exceed.
[45:23]
That's exactly right. This should not
[45:25]
be exceeded.
[45:25]
That's fair.
[45:27]
Yes.
[45:27]
It's not...
[45:28]
I mean, I know
[45:29]
it's not very cheap
[45:30]
and you're doing your
[45:31]
best, but I just
[45:32]
...
[45:34]
Yeah. That's right, that...
[45:36]
Yeah, yeah, it's obviously
[45:38]
the building itself, I
[45:39]
can tell you that, because I
[45:40]
remember it, and I guess
[45:42]
Dave does too. The
[45:43]
building itself...was over...
[45:45]
2.8 and some changes
[45:46]
just for the metal
[45:48]
building. They had...And
[45:50]
remember, these
[45:50]
costs...He...
[45:51]
talked to one or
[45:53]
two metal
[45:54]
buildings because,
[45:55]
again, this is just the
[45:56]
upfront cost of
[45:57]
construction.
[45:58]
This is not built. 2.8
[45:59]
for the building only. Is that
[46:01]
correct?
[46:02]
2.8 per building. No, and
[46:04]
it was built,
[46:05]
but it...Sorry,
[46:06]
built, but it
[46:07]
wasn't a project. It wasn't,
[46:08]
um, and then he
[46:09]
had other things
[46:10]
included in there.
[46:11]
This is plumbing. This...This is the
[46:12]
building that...This is the
[46:14]
building that...
[46:15]
But this is not engineering.
[46:16]
This is not a project. This is not
[46:17]
permission.
[46:18]
This is 24,000 that we have to
[46:20]
pay to the state. It
[46:22]
wasn't the 30 he
[46:24]
allocated to, um, which
[46:25]
he allocated to, um, like
[46:26]
pork in
[46:27]
construction. It
[46:30]
wasn't, um, you know,
[46:31]
he was 30. He
[46:33]
had money for lawyers
[46:35]
and this and that. So, again
[46:37]
, it's not...So we
[46:38]
can certainly, um, you
[46:40]
know, you'll
[46:40]
meet with...and
[46:42]
you'll have all the
[46:43]
information and...everything.
[46:44]
So, it's just like any
[46:45]
other
[46:46]
bond move. That's four
[46:48]
people to sign.
[46:49]
This is not to be exceeded, and
[46:50]
it does not mean that it
[46:51]
will be accepted. Your
[46:52]
vote will be counted.
[46:55]
So
[46:55]
I just wouldn't want to be
[46:56]
accused of being a
[46:57]
nonsense here
[46:58]
. That's all.
[46:59]
You don't accuse
[47:00]
because you don't know if it will be
[47:02]
accepted or not. And
[47:03]
we have a probable
[47:04]
construction cost
[47:05]
that we will have to
[47:06]
move
[47:07]
forward with, regardless of whether
[47:08]
it is
[47:09]
accepted. And that number,
[47:12]
you know, obviously, we're
[47:13]
hoping that it will
[47:14]
change, especially with
[47:16]
some local
[47:17]
contractors
[47:18]
bidding on
[47:19]
some of the work, but it's...
[47:21]
So we can...um...I would be
[47:23]
willing to go to a
[47:24]
special meeting, and
[47:25]
I would set aside more time
[47:26]
in the afternoon to go to a
[47:27]
special meeting
[47:28]
if everyone felt more
[47:29]
comfortable.
[47:29]
Of course. Absolutely.
[47:31]
We can...We can
[47:32]
do it.
[47:32]
Thank you for
[47:33]
calling.
[47:34]
I think it would be a good
[47:35]
idea
[47:36]
to describe it well as well.
[47:37]
then, if we do
[47:37]
n't do that, we'll have
[47:38]
to...We
[47:39]
need to...We have to...I
[47:40]
think I'm going to...
[47:41]
We have to...
[47:41]
vote on this
[47:42]
proposal first.
[47:43]
for a second. Let
[47:44]
me just...
[47:45]
We need to have a
[47:45]
landfill.
[47:46]
If no one else
[47:47]
goes this route, then
[47:48]
...
[47:48]
Okay, I said it
[47:49]
right here, the current
[47:51]
rating for the city
[47:52]
garage is
[47:53]
3.469658. That's why I'm looking for
[47:56]
3.5. And then, um, we... And
[47:59]
then, um, I'm just
[48:00]
trying to remember,
[48:01]
because the law requires that
[48:03]
we publish
[48:04]
it X days in advance. And
[48:12]
anyway, we
[48:14]
can postpone it
[48:15]
and then...And I'll do it
[48:16]
, or whatever,
[48:18]
if you don't have...We
[48:19]
have a proposal before us
[48:20]
that we
[48:21]
can vote on
[48:22]
, we can move
[48:23]
on. We don't...I
[48:26]
mean, we'll see
[48:27]
all these numbers.
[48:28]
You will see, and they
[48:29]
will all change, even
[48:30]
from the
[48:30]
other side, say
[48:31]
it's not so bad,
[48:32]
maybe not too much
[48:33]
. What if this...What
[48:35]
if this isn't
[48:35]
enough? And this is a
[48:37]
bond vote.
[48:38]
We won't know if
[48:39]
it's not enough until
[48:41]
November 3rd when the bond
[48:42]
vote is taken
[48:43]
because
[48:45]
we...they're not
[48:45]
going to move
[48:47]
forward until we
[48:48]
know...We have the
[48:49]
money because we can't
[48:50]
. I mean, I
[48:52]
can pay for
[48:53]
certain things up front,
[48:54]
asbestos testing,
[48:56]
soil testing, etc., but I do
[48:57]
n't have, you know, I
[48:59]
have 100 grand. I do
[49:00]
n't have millions. So
[49:01]
they won't even
[49:02]
do anything until the
[49:04]
bond vote passes. Once the
[49:06]
bond vote is
[49:07]
passed, they'll
[49:08]
publish, you know,
[49:09]
to get quotes from
[49:10]
contractors, to
[49:11]
get some solid numbers,
[49:12]
um, roughly...
[49:13]
Okay, some of these
[49:14]
things have a pretty
[49:15]
long
[49:16]
lead time. You want
[49:17]
this thing
[49:18]
built in one
[49:19]
construction period,
[49:20]
we have to get started
[49:22]
. This should be in
[49:23]
progress. So, this...
[49:25]
is no
[49:26]
different from
[49:27]
how we did the, uh
[49:28]
, project. We did a
[49:30]
sidewalk project
[49:31]
costing $740,000
[49:32]
. And it was the same. We
[49:34]
did exactly that for
[49:35]
all those same water
[49:36]
projects. They all
[49:38]
cost 2.5, 2.8.
[49:40]
They were all estimated
[49:42]
construction costs. And if that's what
[49:43]
we
[49:43]
voted for
[49:44]
the bonds with, and not
[49:45]
to exceed that, it
[49:45]
can be reduced by
[49:46]
any
[49:47]
aid or...
[49:47]
whatever. So, we
[49:48]
did the same thing.
[49:49]
Regarding grants and
[49:50]
stuff, right? We
[49:51]
provide grants and
[49:53]
more or less do it,
[49:54]
but we didn't know
[49:55]
how much. Of course, 2.8
[49:56]
...we didn't know exactly
[49:58]
how many we...
[49:59]
I would say maybe
[50:00]
just vote
[50:01]
and see how it
[50:02]
goes before you
[50:03]
even go down that
[50:04]
road.
[50:07]
Good. Firstly,
[50:08]
because these numbers, I
[50:09]
mean, they
[50:10]
shouldn't exceed
[50:11]
...
[50:12]
Yeah.
[50:12]
So, if we don't
[50:13]
start, we're not
[50:14]
going to...We're
[50:15]
not going to get anywhere.
[50:17]
Yes. Good.
[50:21]
So, we have to
[50:22]
achieve this. That's
[50:23]
it.
[50:24]
makes me nervous, but I
[50:26]
know it's all a bluff,
[50:27]
right?
[50:28]
This is all a bluff.
[50:30]
Yes, we don't have
[50:31]
grant money, and
[50:32]
we have, as I said,
[50:33]
I have allocated about
[50:34]
100,000 in capital. So, it all
[50:36]
depends on us, and it
[50:37]
always had to be up to
[50:38]
us. You know, so we...And
[50:42]
we knew that...It's...60
[50:43]
cents on the tax
[50:44]
rate. This is not going away
[50:47]
. That would be less
[50:49]
than, you know, it seems like,
[50:51]
63 cents a day for a
[50:54]
$350,000 house. So, um, but
[50:56]
obviously we're going to be
[50:58]
looking at, you know,
[50:59]
budget cuts
[51:00]
to cover that. We have
[51:03]
everything we
[51:04]
talked about, and it's also
[51:06]
hard to wait. We have a
[51:08]
tight deadline
[51:09]
because...I actually
[51:10]
think we
[51:10]
need...If you don't
[51:11]
need to sign
[51:12]
this tonight,
[51:13]
we'll have to have
[51:14]
, like, a
[51:15]
special emergency
[51:16]
meeting, and you
[51:16]
might have to
[51:17]
sign this in 2
[51:18]
days because there are
[51:19]
very strict
[51:20]
standards on
[51:20]
how often that
[51:21]
happens, you know,
[51:22]
in this
[51:22]
surety room. So, um,
[51:25]
but...Okay, that's right
[51:27]
. So,
[51:28]
I don't know, so
[51:29]
anyway, and that's it, and
[51:31]
it shouldn't
[51:31]
exceed, and that's
[51:32]
Chris, it's the same,
[51:33]
yeah, and that's the same
[51:34]
way we've been
[51:35]
moving forward...
[51:36]
every other
[51:37]
vote. We
[51:38]
always had a probable
[51:39]
construction cost
[51:40]
and we did, you know,
[51:41]
not to exceed it. So,
[51:42]
Chris,
[51:43]
similar thought.
[51:54]
Yes, it should be like that,
[51:55]
but we should also
[51:56]
publish it in the
[51:57]
official gazette. It
[51:59]
has to be far away, it
[52:02]
has to be, you know,
[52:03]
X number of weeks
[52:04]
in advance, it has to be in the
[52:06]
newspaper. But, you know,
[52:07]
like I said, it's not a
[52:08]
big deal, I can
[52:09]
research all this
[52:10]
tomorrow. Okay, or me.
[52:12]
Sounds like
[52:13]
you have all three days,
[52:14]
maybe I'll see you
[52:15]
later.
[52:16]
We received
[52:17]
an offer, and one more thing, is there any
[52:19]
further discussion?
[52:22]
Everyone who is "in favor"
[52:23]
indicates by saying "I am
[52:25]
." I. Against or "no".
[52:29]
Okay, the offer
[52:30]
is accepted.
[52:33]
Perfectly. No. Everything is fine
[52:36]
. Everything is fine.
[52:41]
Yes, absolutely not, that
[52:43]
makes sense.
[52:44]
You have all the documents in the
[52:45]
folder.
[52:46]
I have all the things, yes,
[52:48]
you have and I had, yes,
[52:49]
I had, but yes.
[52:50]
But it's still better now that
[52:52]
you know,
[52:53]
trust me, you will too.
[52:55]
Yeah, oh, and so I put the
[52:56]
project milestones in here, that's
[52:58]
all.
[52:59]
Yes, it was in the package.
[53:00]
So okay, you
[53:01]
need to sign.
[53:03]
Here.
[53:04]
I'll just give you...
[53:05]
Okay.
[53:06]
Because you need to
[53:07]
sign this. From this
[53:09]
side. So yeah, so I'll
[53:14]
sign this together so
[53:15]
everyone can sign.
[53:18]
So...Excuse me, did you have
[53:21]
a question? Yes,
[53:34]
of course, and then we
[53:35]
did it...that's what
[53:36]
we talked about, and also I
[53:38]
wanted to do it
[53:39]
in advance and
[53:40]
pay for it with that money
[53:41]
, and also, uh,
[53:42]
asbestos removal. And
[53:43]
they were looking for
[53:44]
contractors to
[53:45]
give me names. They
[53:47]
already did the research
[53:48]
to get the numbers
[53:49]
because I said so too.
[53:50]
Let's use the 100
[53:52]
grand to, you know,
[53:53]
hopefully, figure out
[53:55]
, uh, you know, take down
[53:56]
some of the more
[53:57]
unknowns. So...Hey,
[54:12]
Dave. Dave.
[54:13]
What happened?
[54:14]
Do you want to sign? Yes.
[54:16]
Yes.
[54:17]
What is it?
[54:18]
I don't know, dude.
[54:20]
Good.
[54:20]
I understand you, dude.
[54:22]
Do you want to
[54:22]
move on?
[54:24]
Yes. Yes.
[54:25]
No.
[54:26]
Of course.
[54:28]
Good. Uh, number two on the
[54:30]
agenda for
[54:31]
tonight,
[54:32]
we have the
[54:34]
high-altitude
[54:35]
highway access policy table from the
[54:36]
last meeting. Uh, a
[54:37]
section on city responsibility has been added
[54:39]
.
[54:40]
That was a question for
[54:41]
Dave. And so, Dave,
[54:43]
you...I ended up
[54:44]
changing the words a little bit. Does
[54:45]
that suit you?
[54:47]
Good. Oh, sorry. Do
[54:50]
you have a suggestion?
[54:51]
I propose
[54:51]
to approve a
[54:53]
highway access policy.
[54:54]
Second. Is
[54:55]
there still discussion? All in
[54:57]
favor?
[54:58]
Yes.
[55:00]
Good.
[55:00]
Sign. Collect
[55:04]
signatures. This is the last one.
[55:05]
Perfectly. Thank you. Oh.
[55:09]
Good. Good.
[55:11]
Can I just ask
[55:12]
a question? As
[55:13]
for
[55:15]
permit requirements, you
[55:18]
don't actually
[55:18]
need to ask
[55:19]
the city to level or
[55:21]
resurface
[55:22]
your
[55:23]
driveway.
[55:26]
No person is
[55:27]
subject to
[55:28]
permit requirements.
[55:29]
First, install,
[55:30]
design,
[55:31]
construct, renovate,
[55:32]
or upgrade the covering of
[55:33]
any driveway or
[55:34]
entrance to a driveway.
[55:35]
Oh, yes. Uh, no, we
[55:37]
usually...No, we're
[55:38]
usually pretty
[55:40]
flexible about that. Uh
[55:41]
,
[55:41]
I was a student...
[55:43]
No, it's more for...uh,
[55:44]
you know, if someone is
[55:45]
obviously putting in a new
[55:46]
driveway,
[55:47]
doing a curb cut,
[55:49]
or yeah, they're building a
[55:50]
...fence or a building.
[55:51]
It's clear that you
[55:52]
want to see them
[55:53]
if they're going to
[55:54]
throw things in the ditch.
[55:55]
But no, we usually...
[55:56]
you know, if they're
[55:58]
redesigning or
[55:59]
updating the coverage,
[56:00]
we'll stay
[56:01]
away. So, there
[56:06]
are multiple signatures on this package
[56:07]
. Have you done them all
[56:09]
?
[56:09]
Oh, no. No, thank you. Yes.
[56:13]
yes.
[56:15]
I'm watching you all the time. I'm
[56:18]
very sorry I
[56:19]
couldn't come.
[56:20]
Yes, I know.
[56:22]
Two more.
[56:29]
Okay, number three,
[56:30]
fire department SOG-004,
[56:31]
general
[56:33]
safety rules for
[56:33]
vehicles
[56:35]
, including passengers
[56:36]
, with changes,
[56:37]
including bolding
[56:40]
point number six.
[56:42]
This is the only thing we are
[56:43]
changing in this SOG.
[56:45]
Proposal for
[56:46]
approval. Do
[56:46]
I have
[56:47]
any discussions?
[56:49]
Second. The
[56:49]
reason they're
[56:50]
going to
[56:51]
do this is because
[56:52]
it's...
[56:52]
No, it's okay.
[56:54]
it's that, um, they... the
[56:55]
fire department
[56:56]
implements a program
[56:57]
that works with
[56:58]
the school where they
[56:59]
take kids from
[57:00]
school to...um, or
[57:02]
excuse me, from the fire
[57:03]
station to...school in a
[57:04]
fire truck. So that's
[57:06]
pretty exciting.
[57:07]
Uh, Josh is really
[57:08]
important in
[57:09]
community service.
[57:10]
When they get
[57:11]
a student of the month, right
[57:12]
?
[57:12]
Yeah, yeah, student of the month
[57:14]
and everything else they
[57:15]
do. Em.
[57:16]
Okay, so you want it.
[57:17]
And so, one of the things
[57:19]
that...So, they have SOG,
[57:20]
but it was a little
[57:21]
vague, so
[57:22]
we wanted to make sure to
[57:23]
include that in there. And we
[57:24]
also developed, um,
[57:26]
a thing that parents have to
[57:27]
sign, you know,
[57:28]
giving people permission to
[57:29]
sign so their
[57:30]
kids can ride.
[57:32]
So someone from the school
[57:33]
will be waiting for them at the
[57:34]
fire station, and
[57:35]
then someone
[57:36]
will meet them at the
[57:37]
school. So.
[57:40]
I have a question, Adam.
[57:42]
Most likely.
[57:43]
Only if the city is there
[57:44]
.
[57:46]
Yes. Obeying
[57:47]
all traffic rules
[57:49]
will cause the truck to
[57:50]
malfunction. So,
[57:51]
you know, no one
[57:52]
will call.
[57:54]
Wait, children.
[57:57]
Yes. Yes,
[58:00]
okay, is there any more
[58:01]
discussion? Everyone who is in
[58:03]
favor? Okay, against?
[58:06]
Okay, number four,
[58:08]
Alan Greenberg would like to
[58:09]
be appointed
[58:10]
to the
[58:11]
social
[58:12]
services advisory board. We need
[58:13]
a proposal
[58:14]
for approval. Any other
[58:18]
discussions?
[58:21]
Three sides, one from
[58:22]
all, who is "in favor"?
[58:26]
No, everything is fine. This, um,
[58:28]
this...
[58:30]
The river has passed.
[58:36]
Paul Velli...um, Ms.
[58:37]
Susan Burgos. Is
[58:41]
Bennett here? So,
[58:43]
just
[58:43]
Bennett Law, no. Ahem. And
[58:46]
now Stan Payton
[58:47]
has retired.
[58:48]
Will Mel watch
[58:50]
him do it?
[58:51]
Um, no. No, Scott Putney
[58:53]
.
[58:53]
Scott Putney. Scott
[58:54]
Putney.
[58:55]
So, Paul, Scott Putney
[58:57]
, Sue Burgos...
[58:59]
Bennett Law...I think,
[59:02]
well, Stan Payton, but
[59:03]
he's not
[59:04]
doing it anymore. So that
[59:07]
will be five, and then
[59:08]
we have another lady,
[59:09]
Janine Daniels, who is
[59:10]
interested. She
[59:11]
just wrote a letter,
[59:12]
so she'll be in the
[59:13]
next one. I asked
[59:14]
Paul about it. He
[59:15]
said, "Oh, more
[59:16]
than I do, you know, you
[59:16]
see
[59:17]
Paul as
[59:17]
fuel for more
[59:18]
people."
[59:19]
Yes, yes, because Stan
[59:21]
is finished. Yes.
[59:22]
Good.
[59:22]
So, yes.
[59:24]
They may have a
[59:25]
sixth one.
[59:25]
Maybe so. And
[59:27]
that suited him.
[59:28]
Yes, because sometimes,
[59:28]
for example, when it
[59:29]
comes to
[59:30]
the library, he has to
[59:31]
recuse
[59:32]
himself because he is on the
[59:33]
library board. So if
[59:34]
you have a few extra,
[59:36]
it makes things easier.
[59:37]
Yes, and he is also on the
[59:38]
theater board.
[59:39]
Theater, yes.
[59:40]
Good.
[59:41]
Some people wear
[59:42]
many hats.
[59:43]
Sorry, I didn't know.
[59:44]
That's true. Are
[59:47]
you ready?
[59:48]
Yes.
[59:50]
Number five, the City of
[59:51]
Royalton is asking for
[59:52]
Bethel's support on
[59:53]
their application for a
[59:55]
community building grant. Bethel allocated
[59:59]
a thousand dollars to
[1:00:00]
the medical center for
[1:00:01]
two thousand...at the
[1:00:02]
2026 town meeting
[1:00:05]
Royalton approved. We
[1:00:06]
voted. Ben
[1:00:07]
just interrupted
[1:00:08]
the vote.
[1:00:09]
Yes, everyone
[1:00:10]
voted "yes."
[1:00:11]
You can vote for
[1:00:12]
me.
[1:00:13]
Good.
[1:00:14]
Unanimously. No.
[1:00:16]
Ben interrupted.
[1:00:17]
Yes, we voted
[1:00:18]
Ben interrupted
[1:00:19]
the vote in the middle of
[1:00:20]
the vote.
[1:00:21]
Yes.
[1:00:21]
It was Jordan and Ben.
[1:00:23]
interrupted
[1:00:23]
the vote,
[1:00:24]
disrupting the vote
[1:00:25]
I think
[1:00:26]
he interrupted.
[1:00:26]
Uh, it's your turn,
[1:00:27]
Jordan.
[1:00:28]
So, Jordan made
[1:00:29]
a suggestion.
[1:00:30]
Yes. I supported her, and
[1:00:31]
then we all
[1:00:31]
voted "yes."
[1:00:32]
No, I just meant the
[1:00:33]
following.
[1:00:34]
Regarding this
[1:00:34]
next. Regarding
[1:00:36]
support for the
[1:00:36]
health center, you made
[1:00:37]
a proposal.
[1:00:38]
Yes, because we, um,
[1:00:39]
approved it at the
[1:00:41]
2026 town meeting
[1:00:43]
This is just a
[1:00:44]
continuation.
[1:00:45]
No, that's a different matter,
[1:00:46]
but Jordan made
[1:00:46]
the suggestion, but no one
[1:00:48]
talked about it for a second.
[1:00:49]
Okay, and this is not a
[1:00:50]
procedure. Do
[1:00:51]
we have a second or two?
[1:00:53]
Ben was the one who
[1:00:54]
supported.
[1:00:55]
Okay, so everything is
[1:00:56]
fine.
[1:00:59]
So, yes, this is what
[1:01:00]
the city of Royalton is doing,
[1:01:01]
um, and they asked for
[1:01:03]
your support, um,
[1:01:07]
you know, because they
[1:01:08]
want to move the
[1:01:09]
renovations; they want to
[1:01:10]
move the, um,
[1:01:12]
dental health center to the
[1:01:13]
historic
[1:01:14]
Royalton Academy because
[1:01:16]
they used to have one, as
[1:01:17]
it says. Here, a
[1:01:18]
converted
[1:01:19]
motorhome, and
[1:01:20]
they had a lot of
[1:01:21]
breakdowns. And so the city of
[1:01:23]
Royalton is simply
[1:01:24]
asking Bethel for
[1:01:25]
support, and I
[1:01:26]
wrote down that Bethel
[1:01:27]
allocated a thousand
[1:01:28]
dollars at the city
[1:01:29]
meeting for a fitness
[1:01:30]
club. So you know the
[1:01:33]
voters have already
[1:01:34]
supported
[1:01:35]
Bethel before. So
[1:01:36]
they're just asking
[1:01:40]
you to send this
[1:01:41]
letter of support.
[1:01:43]
But the mobile home used to
[1:01:45]
come to the school so that
[1:01:46]
the children could
[1:01:47]
use it.
[1:01:48]
Yes.
[1:01:48]
Now they
[1:01:49]
will have to
[1:01:50]
listen to me.
[1:01:53]
I suppose we should
[1:01:55]
take the children there. They simply
[1:01:57]
say it is on
[1:01:58]
hold for
[1:01:59]
repairs and it is unknown whether
[1:02:00]
it can be
[1:02:01]
restored. So they
[1:02:04]
say it's
[1:02:05]
located, it
[1:02:06]
says,
[1:02:06]
located
[1:02:07]
directly on a
[1:02:08]
local bus
[1:02:09]
line, which provides a
[1:02:11]
necessary
[1:02:11]
transportation accent
[1:02:13]
for residents without
[1:02:14]
transportation, and, um, yeah,
[1:02:15]
I would say it looks like
[1:02:16]
they're going to have to
[1:02:17]
get there by
[1:02:18]
public
[1:02:19]
transportation, or, um,
[1:02:20]
you know, parenting
[1:02:22]
or something. But
[1:02:25]
in any case, it's
[1:02:26]
up to me. I
[1:02:27]
just got this from
[1:02:28]
Royalton. I wouldn't
[1:02:29]
say...It's a pretty
[1:02:30]
good change
[1:02:31]
just because of the
[1:02:31]
convenience of
[1:02:32]
them coming to
[1:02:33]
Bethel and then their
[1:02:34]
parents just
[1:02:34]
signing "yes"
[1:02:35]
they can go to the
[1:02:36]
mental
[1:02:37]
health club and they
[1:02:38]
did it at school and
[1:02:39]
they didn't have to
[1:02:40]
worry about
[1:02:40]
transportation after
[1:02:41]
a few hours.
[1:02:42]
Yes, that's true.
[1:02:43]
And now it will get
[1:02:44]
them there, which is. I don't
[1:02:47]
know how everyone feels about this
[1:02:49]
I don't know. It was a
[1:02:50]
request, and you have
[1:02:51]
as much information here as I do
[1:02:56]
It looks like they are apparently
[1:02:57]
writing a grant to
[1:02:59]
renovate
[1:03:00]
Royalton Academy. They don't
[1:03:03]
write a grant to
[1:03:04]
replace a van. So yes
[1:03:07]
So I don't know.
[1:03:08]
Then it's just
[1:03:09]
public.
[1:03:09]
You can do it.
[1:03:11]
Oh, publicly. Or we
[1:03:12]
can
[1:03:13]
use, and
[1:03:30]
I definitely don't support
[1:03:31]
that. I said that this is a
[1:03:33]
big difference between what
[1:03:34]
was, but
[1:03:35]
now what is.
[1:03:37]
Maybe there is
[1:03:38]
no other choice.
[1:03:40]
Yes. And it's still
[1:03:42]
free, and it's,
[1:03:43]
you know, a
[1:03:44]
doctor's appointment. If it's a
[1:03:46]
regular
[1:03:48]
doctor's appointment, parents
[1:03:49]
should take
[1:03:50]
their child to, uh...
[1:03:51]
a doctor, a pediatrician, or
[1:03:52]
yes, or a pediatric
[1:03:53]
surgeon.
[1:03:54]
You know what I know. Here's
[1:03:56]
what we got. So,
[1:03:57]
I guess the only
[1:03:58]
problem with something
[1:03:59]
like this is in a
[1:04:00]
wheelchair.
[1:04:02]
But it's convenient. But I
[1:04:06]
worked on it,
[1:04:07]
so when I
[1:04:08]
visited them, there was always
[1:04:09]
something wrong, but then
[1:04:11]
we worked on them
[1:04:12]
. Good. You know
[1:04:14]
what I mean about the
[1:04:15]
people who came in and
[1:04:17]
didn't come in at first.
[1:04:20]
I don't mind. Um, so
[1:04:22]
we have a proposal and a
[1:04:23]
friend. Is there any more
[1:04:24]
discussion? All those in
[1:04:27]
favor confirm by
[1:04:28]
saying "yes." Um, "
[1:04:30]
against"? Okay,
[1:04:32]
the offer is accepted.
[1:04:48]
Okay, number six
[1:04:49]
authorizes the
[1:04:51]
mayor to vote for
[1:04:52]
passive candidates
[1:04:53]
for the VLCT board of directors
[1:04:55]
and candidates for VLCT
[1:04:56]
on behalf of the election
[1:04:57]
board.
[1:05:00]
I can nominate a
[1:05:01]
candidate if
[1:05:02]
you want.
[1:05:03]
I support
[1:05:04]
the approval.
[1:05:05]
Second. Is there any more
[1:05:09]
discussion?
[1:05:11]
I'll just clarify, I have
[1:05:13]
n't actually heard anything about it. Is this something or
[1:05:16]
what? Good.
[1:05:18]
Because that's what they
[1:05:20]
just started. They
[1:05:21]
just sent out the
[1:05:22]
ballots this year.
[1:05:23]
They used to, uh,
[1:05:25]
do that. They either
[1:05:27]
vote at the
[1:05:28]
annual meeting or
[1:05:29]
they do it. So
[1:05:30]
now they
[1:05:31]
send out newsletters
[1:05:32]
every two years. So I
[1:05:34]
thought now I have a
[1:05:35]
chance to find out
[1:05:36]
who the candidates are. And it's
[1:05:39]
not like I'm going to
[1:05:40]
run for
[1:05:41]
someone that one of my
[1:05:42]
plans was a no-brainer.
[1:05:44]
This would be an LLC.
[1:05:46]
yes.
[1:05:48]
They...
[1:05:49]
Passage is our insurance
[1:05:50]
company, and the verb
[1:05:51]
Passage refers to
[1:05:52]
another way of
[1:05:53]
indemnifying our
[1:05:55]
company. So, they
[1:05:57]
just...
[1:05:57]
Okay, I'll trust
[1:05:59]
you this time.
[1:06:00]
Good. Next
[1:06:04]
time you...Next
[1:06:05]
time you...You should...
[1:06:06]
That's good. I...I just
[1:06:07]
found new
[1:06:08]
problems. Is
[1:06:11]
there still discussion? Everyone
[1:06:14]
"in favor"?
[1:06:15]
I...
[1:06:15]
Against? Okay,
[1:06:18]
local
[1:06:19]
option tax, does the
[1:06:20]
board of elections want to
[1:06:21]
move forward with
[1:06:22]
putting the LOT on the
[1:06:23]
ballot at the
[1:06:25]
March 27th town meeting? Um...
[1:06:28]
Can we...It
[1:06:29]
says "for
[1:06:30]
discussion only." Um...and with
[1:06:34]
everything we have with the
[1:06:35]
city, with the water
[1:06:36]
bonds and the
[1:06:38]
garage bar bonds, I
[1:06:39]
think we should
[1:06:41]
bring this up for consideration
[1:06:44]
I also agree. We have
[1:06:47]
many differences.
[1:06:49]
So let's
[1:06:49]
talk about it. Um
[1:06:51]
...Personally, I
[1:06:52]
think I've talked to
[1:06:53]
a few people to
[1:06:55]
see what
[1:06:55]
happens in Royalton,
[1:06:57]
and, uh, at the next
[1:06:58]
town meeting,
[1:06:59]
talk to them and
[1:07:00]
see what
[1:07:01]
happens.
[1:07:02]
It was Ben's idea,
[1:07:02]
saying what if
[1:07:03]
people around us
[1:07:04]
accept it and we don't, and
[1:07:05]
then we wonder if
[1:07:06]
people are more likely to
[1:07:07]
come here to do
[1:07:08]
business because we don't have
[1:07:09]
it? I
[1:07:10]
mean, Ben made a
[1:07:11]
valid point.
[1:07:12]
Let's see what
[1:07:13]
happens.
[1:07:17]
A vote
[1:07:17]
being put
[1:07:18]
forward, you don't
[1:07:19]
need to make a move
[1:07:20]
to
[1:07:20]
do it. Well, it's
[1:07:21]
just a discussion.
[1:07:22]
You don't even bring
[1:07:23]
it up for consideration. You essentially agreed by consensus
[1:07:25]
that you're not
[1:07:25]
going to
[1:07:26]
put it, I would just
[1:07:27]
say they
[1:07:27]
agreed
[1:07:28]
by consensus that they're not
[1:07:28]
going to
[1:07:29]
discuss it here.
[1:07:29]
This has been brought up for
[1:07:30]
consideration.
[1:07:31]
I don't...I don't...I don't think that's
[1:07:32]
...
[1:07:33]
Yes, it's been brought
[1:07:34]
up.
[1:07:35]
Good. Now we
[1:07:37]
move on to the
[1:07:37]
city manager.
[1:07:40]
Uh, so in the package, uh
[1:07:42]
, you asked me
[1:07:43]
to print out individual whole
[1:07:44]
boards, so
[1:07:45]
here they are. So I asked if
[1:07:47]
you had any...Ideas,
[1:07:48]
feel free to
[1:07:49]
send me changes,
[1:07:50]
ideas or come to
[1:07:52]
me and discuss
[1:07:53]
it. Um, of course, it
[1:07:54]
was just my first
[1:07:56]
pass. So
[1:07:57]
please feel free to
[1:07:58]
edit or
[1:07:59]
add anything
[1:08:00]
you wish. Um, the
[1:08:01]
first one is actually
[1:08:02]
entirely about you. Um, the
[1:08:04]
second-eight,
[1:08:04]
obviously my rocks
[1:08:06]
are pushing up,
[1:08:07]
but the first one is for you
[1:08:08]
guys to
[1:08:09]
visit these places
[1:08:10]
or make an appointment
[1:08:11]
to see
[1:08:12]
them so you understand
[1:08:13]
all the objects that you
[1:08:14]
control. Um, the
[1:08:16]
sidewalk project is supposed to
[1:08:18]
be completed in
[1:08:19]
October. Um, we
[1:08:21]
had some
[1:08:23]
traffic control issues, but
[1:08:24]
hopefully they've been
[1:08:25]
fixed. Um, they
[1:08:27]
flooded the wall, um, and
[1:08:29]
you can see where the
[1:08:30]
sidewalk was flooded,
[1:08:31]
so let's move on.
[1:08:34]
Um, I sent
[1:08:35]
a postcard. Emme,
[1:08:37]
sculptor Penny from
[1:08:38]
Spaulding Park
[1:08:39]
provided information
[1:08:40]
regarding the
[1:08:41]
bond vote. This is everything that
[1:08:42]
belongs to
[1:08:43]
the household,
[1:08:44]
so this will be
[1:08:44]
sent to the resident.
[1:08:46]
So, this is a small
[1:08:47]
leaflet, and when
[1:08:48]
the vote will take place, this is the
[1:08:49]
information. So, it's in
[1:08:51]
any capable
[1:08:52]
hands. And um, the road
[1:08:54]
team successfully
[1:08:55]
completed a three-day
[1:08:57]
training session on the
[1:08:58]
logging game. So
[1:08:59]
good that they
[1:09:00]
got some
[1:09:00]
pointers.
[1:09:02]
Richard and I had
[1:09:03]
our meeting with everyone
[1:09:05]
at Vision Elliot regarding
[1:09:06]
the design of Route 107
[1:09:07]
, where it was 90%. The good
[1:09:09]
news is
[1:09:10]
that the engineer who
[1:09:11]
was with us had to
[1:09:12]
pay an extra 12,400 to
[1:09:13]
inspect the facade of these
[1:09:14]
small houses and did
[1:09:16]
not find any
[1:09:17]
Dutch
[1:09:17]
artifacts. We are ready
[1:09:19]
to work. So, we are still
[1:09:21]
searching. The
[1:09:22]
likely
[1:09:24]
construction cost of this
[1:09:25]
project
[1:09:26]
is still around
[1:09:28]
$885,900,000. And this
[1:09:32]
allows us to be in the
[1:09:34]
utilization program, meaning
[1:09:36]
we expect a 50%
[1:09:37]
forgiveness from the
[1:09:38]
state board. So the
[1:09:42]
bond vote is currently
[1:09:43]
scheduled for
[1:09:44]
January. So once
[1:09:45]
that comes out, we'll have
[1:09:47]
a little more
[1:09:48]
information, but we're
[1:09:49]
90% ready to
[1:09:50]
design. So this
[1:09:51]
will be a signboard.
[1:09:53]
They are going to
[1:09:54]
dig right near
[1:09:55]
Christian Hill, at
[1:09:56]
the foot of
[1:09:57]
Cherry Hill Cemetery. That's where the
[1:09:59]
big board will be. And
[1:10:01]
obviously, we're boring,
[1:10:02]
you know, pretty much the whole
[1:10:03]
way. to, but not all the way
[1:10:05]
to the very center, to, uh
[1:10:06]
, Dandelion Acres.
[1:10:09]
We'll make another
[1:10:10]
cross, and then
[1:10:11]
we'll make all the connections
[1:10:13]
, uh, to the right of
[1:10:14]
it. So,
[1:10:15]
Dandelion Acres is the
[1:10:16]
end of the line.
[1:10:17]
Yes, that's right. And they
[1:10:18]
also have a well. So,
[1:10:20]
they use
[1:10:20]
our services,
[1:10:21]
plus they supplement
[1:10:22]
it with their own well.
[1:10:23]
So, these, you know, the
[1:10:24]
total cost of the
[1:10:25]
project will be
[1:10:27]
50% forgiveness, and with the
[1:10:28]
ordinance change,
[1:10:29]
you know, it's always
[1:10:30]
been a bond
[1:10:31]
vote for
[1:10:32]
everyone, but this time it's going
[1:10:34]
to be paid by
[1:10:35]
everyone, not just
[1:10:36]
the water users.
[1:10:37]
So, but we're
[1:10:38]
looking at this in
[1:10:39]
January. So, this is still the
[1:10:41]
same estimate of, uh, the
[1:10:42]
likely cost of
[1:10:44]
construction that we
[1:10:45]
have. So, but they are
[1:10:48]
improving their
[1:10:49]
project. Uh,
[1:10:51]
Richard and I also
[1:10:52]
had our every 5-
[1:10:53]
year
[1:10:54]
wastewater inspection on the 24th, uh,
[1:10:56]
end of this month. I
[1:10:57]
made a mistake in the
[1:10:58]
data package as of the
[1:10:59]
February check
[1:11:00]
this month.
[1:11:00]
The inspection went
[1:11:01]
great. They are very
[1:11:02]
impressed with
[1:11:03]
Richard's proactive approach
[1:11:04]
to the system and our
[1:11:05]
communication. Um, they
[1:11:07]
said they were
[1:11:07]
way behind on
[1:11:09]
issuing permits. So
[1:11:10]
, Richard will submit his
[1:11:13]
permit, as he should,
[1:11:14]
on time, and then they
[1:11:15]
will send the letter, and we
[1:11:17]
will essentially continue to
[1:11:18]
operate under our
[1:11:19]
existing permit
[1:11:20]
until the state, which
[1:11:22]
she said will take
[1:11:23]
some time. Um, but I
[1:11:24]
just want to
[1:11:26]
show it. So, um, the
[1:11:27]
other thing was also in
[1:11:29]
your
[1:11:30]
email that I
[1:11:31]
sent you, uh, my
[1:11:32]
contract
[1:11:33]
ends on
[1:11:34]
October 15th. I sent
[1:11:35]
you my contract, I
[1:11:37]
sent you my
[1:11:38]
existing contract.
[1:11:39]
So obviously, you know,
[1:11:40]
the numbers haven't changed, uh
[1:11:42]
, and that was about
[1:11:43]
2 years ago. So, uh, I
[1:11:45]
wasn't...I assumed
[1:11:47]
some of you had
[1:11:48]
never seen my
[1:11:49]
contract, and then
[1:11:50]
maybe some of you
[1:11:51]
had. I'm not
[1:11:52]
sure. So,
[1:11:53]
just so you can see,
[1:11:55]
this is a document that we
[1:11:56]
usually sign.
[1:11:57]
Um, obviously
[1:11:58]
the salary is changing.
[1:11:59]
I don't plan on making
[1:12:01]
any changes to the
[1:12:02]
contract itself, uh, except for the
[1:12:03]
term. So, as we
[1:12:06]
discussed earlier,
[1:12:07]
I prefer... A
[1:12:08]
one-year contract, not a
[1:12:10]
two-year one. It's still all the
[1:12:12]
same, you know, 90
[1:12:14]
days
[1:12:15]
anyway, you know, so all the
[1:12:17]
same things, and I'm not asking for
[1:12:18]
anything...
[1:12:20]
I just have one
[1:12:21]
question about
[1:12:22]
one paragraph.
[1:12:23]
Good.
[1:12:25]
This is...uh...Well,
[1:12:27]
we're
[1:12:28]
reusing this one,
[1:12:29]
so this might be what
[1:12:32]
we're doing. We don't
[1:12:33]
change all the time,
[1:12:34]
so...
[1:12:39]
Number six. You have an
[1:12:41]
electrician on
[1:12:42]
page eight.
[1:12:43]
I...Yes, we know the
[1:12:44]
electrician, Dave. All
[1:12:46]
the electricity went out
[1:12:47]
Yes, why is that? Do you
[1:12:48]
know?
[1:12:49]
I don't know.
[1:12:51]
It's...It's always your
[1:12:52]
opinion.
[1:12:54]
You mean...This is
[1:12:56]
...here?
[1:12:56]
No, okay, but
[1:12:57]
I marked it somewhere.
[1:12:59]
You know that's not what they
[1:13:00]
did.
[1:13:00]
No, I think Dave
[1:13:01]
suggested it. I think
[1:13:03]
he told me he
[1:13:03]
suggested it when
[1:13:04]
they were building it and
[1:13:05]
they didn't
[1:13:05]
listen to him.
[1:13:05]
Let's not be this way
[1:13:06]
...Let's not be
[1:13:07]
this way. I need to
[1:13:08]
calm down.
[1:13:09]
Dave, don't start
[1:13:11]
Dave. So,
[1:13:12]
anyway, there's something... You
[1:13:13]
want to discuss it
[1:13:14]
tonight, or
[1:13:15]
we...
[1:13:15]
Actually, I guess you
[1:13:16]
and I can
[1:13:17]
discuss it. It's not a
[1:13:18]
big deal, but
[1:13:19]
it's an important one for me
[1:13:20]
because it's black and
[1:13:20]
white, and I don't think
[1:13:21]
it's right.
[1:13:22]
Perfectly. This is great.
[1:13:24]
We've been
[1:13:24]
through this before.
[1:13:25]
It seems like it was 2
[1:13:26]
years ago, maybe
[1:13:27]
Chris Jarvis and I
[1:13:28]
had the wording
[1:13:29]
wrong on
[1:13:30]
vacation, and we
[1:13:31]
acted like that for
[1:13:32]
a few iterations of the
[1:13:33]
contract, and finally
[1:13:34]
I think we just
[1:13:35]
read it correctly and thought,
[1:13:37]
wait a second. This
[1:13:38]
doesn't make sense. We
[1:13:39]
need to change
[1:13:40]
the wording. So,
[1:13:41]
I guess it's just that.
[1:13:42]
It's just...Well,
[1:13:43]
thank you. Yes, no, that's
[1:13:45]
good. So,
[1:13:46]
anyway, you guys
[1:13:47]
, we'll talk
[1:13:48]
about it later, and I'll put it on the
[1:13:50]
agenda for
[1:13:51]
you guys at the
[1:13:52]
next upcoming
[1:13:53]
meeting.
[1:13:55]
Because we don't need to
[1:13:57]
sign this on the 15th.
[1:13:58]
We...
[1:13:58]
No, we will submit them by
[1:14:00]
October 29th. We will put this
[1:14:02]
on the agenda by the
[1:14:03]
28th. So, No, that's all
[1:14:05]
I have, if no
[1:14:06]
one has any questions.
[1:14:08]
I think
[1:14:10]
everything is fine. Are you
[1:14:11]
okay?
[1:14:12]
Um,
[1:14:13]
okay.
[1:14:13]
Well, no, that was already...No
[1:14:15]
, we'll give it to you somehow.
[1:14:18]
Good. Minutes of the
[1:14:20]
election
[1:14:22]
council meeting dated 09/14/2026. Are there
[1:14:24]
any corrections,
[1:14:25]
additions, anything that
[1:14:27]
needs to be changed?
[1:14:31]
Proposal to accept
[1:14:33]
this framework.
[1:14:35]
Second.
[1:14:36]
Who is "for"?
[1:14:37]
Yes.
[1:14:38]
Good. And we have other
[1:14:40]
posts here from
[1:14:41]
various meetings that
[1:14:44]
you can
[1:14:45]
view and
[1:14:46]
review. Are there
[1:14:48]
any other issues
[1:14:49]
that need to be brought
[1:14:50]
to the council's attention?
[1:14:51]
Let me
[1:14:52]
just...Okay. The name of the
[1:15:05]
council member at the far
[1:15:06]
table in the middle,
[1:15:07]
dark beard, light
[1:15:09]
blue. This is
[1:15:10]
Jordan Hero.
[1:15:12]
The gentleman to
[1:15:13]
his left in the baseball cap
[1:15:15]
is David, who
[1:15:16]
voted
[1:15:17]
4-1 in favor, with a dark
[1:15:18]
beard who
[1:15:19]
voted against. It
[1:15:25]
was actually 3-2,
[1:15:27]
so in response to
[1:15:28]
Darren
[1:15:29]
Macy's question, Ben Roberts and
[1:15:31]
Jordan Hero said
[1:15:32]
"no" and then, um,
[1:15:33]
Jed Scott, David
[1:15:35]
Eddy, Denise Gilman
[1:15:36]
said...yes. So that
[1:15:40]
helps you,
[1:15:42]
Darren? You
[1:15:45]
were called the worst,
[1:15:46]
dark beard, light
[1:15:47]
blue. Yes, thank you.
[1:15:49]
Okay, he's good.
[1:15:52]
Yes, he is
[1:15:54]
good now. I think so
[1:15:56]
. Yes, I don't see
[1:15:58]
anything else in the chat.
[1:16:00]
So we can
[1:16:01]
move on.
[1:16:02]
Thanks, Chris.
[1:16:04]
He doesn't have a beard.
[1:16:06]
What?
[1:16:06]
Yes, I have.
[1:16:07]
Wait, okay then.
[1:16:10]
I just want to
[1:16:11]
go back to
[1:16:12]
the comment about the
[1:16:13]
wood option.
[1:16:14]
Is this fair? I would
[1:16:16]
really like to see this
[1:16:17]
issue
[1:16:18]
raised at the town
[1:16:19]
meeting. Um, I'm not in favor of
[1:16:21]
taxing
[1:16:23]
people. But we must
[1:16:26]
be realistic. For
[1:16:27]
we are considering
[1:16:28]
the possibility of
[1:16:28]
levying a new, er,
[1:16:29]
public
[1:16:31]
works building, which
[1:16:31]
will cost us
[1:16:32]
sixpence. Good?
[1:16:34]
We are also looking at an
[1:16:35]
over-budget,
[1:16:36]
unless we are
[1:16:37]
planning to cut
[1:16:39]
services,
[1:16:39]
which I have not
[1:16:41]
heard of, which means
[1:16:42]
things are going wrong.
[1:16:43]
So, we're going to
[1:16:44]
add 6 cents to the
[1:16:45]
potential
[1:16:46]
municipal
[1:16:47]
building under construction
[1:16:48]
. We are also going to
[1:16:50]
add 3-4 cents. Uh,
[1:16:52]
when it comes
[1:16:53]
to our budget.
[1:16:54]
We also still
[1:16:55]
need to
[1:16:56]
make up for the
[1:16:57]
revenue shortfall after the
[1:17:00]
transfer
[1:17:02]
station was sold. And we also
[1:17:03]
need to
[1:17:04]
make up for some of the
[1:17:05]
revenue shortfalls
[1:17:06]
related to
[1:17:07]
water and
[1:17:08]
sewer, uh,
[1:17:09]
transfer, uh,
[1:17:10]
sorry, taxes and
[1:17:11]
penalties that we've been
[1:17:12]
putting on our
[1:17:13]
income statement for years
[1:17:15]
that we no longer
[1:17:16]
need.
[1:17:16]
Yes.
[1:17:17]
So, you know, if I do a
[1:17:18]
quick calculation, we
[1:17:19]
can add almost 12
[1:17:21]
cents. This is a significant
[1:17:22]
increase for this
[1:17:23]
city. I repeat once again
[1:17:25]
, I am not a tax expert.
[1:17:28]
However, regarding
[1:17:29]
local tax, we have
[1:17:31]
already received data that
[1:17:32]
40% of the people who do
[1:17:34]
business in the city of Bethel
[1:17:35]
are Bethel residents.
[1:17:38]
60% are from outside this
[1:17:40]
area. Even if
[1:17:45]
you are, and, from the information
[1:17:46]
that has been circulated
[1:17:48]
among you, and also that
[1:17:49]
I have provided to the council, is that
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unless you are doing
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business worth
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$10,000 or
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more a year, which I
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doubt
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very few in this
[1:17:58]
city do, it is best to go. with a
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local tax of
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choice than
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raising 100% of
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taxes at their own
[1:18:06]
expense. OK?
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The few people in the city
[1:18:08]
who spend over
[1:18:09]
$10,000 a year on
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groceries probably can't
[1:18:13]
afford it. Right?
[1:18:14]
So it's not going to fall on
[1:18:15]
the shoulders of, well, you know,
[1:18:16]
people on fixed
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incomes, as much
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, because yes,
[1:18:19]
some people on
[1:18:20]
fixed incomes
[1:18:22]
have to buy
[1:18:23]
things in the city. But
[1:18:25]
you know what? The difference is
[1:18:28]
that
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they will get a 100%
[1:18:30]
increase in
[1:18:31]
rent or any
[1:18:32]
other of their
[1:18:33]
taxes or local
[1:18:34]
taxes if they have a
[1:18:35]
business. This isn't for you
[1:18:37]
guys, but it would be
[1:18:38]
good to see a
[1:18:39]
warning so
[1:18:40]
people can decide for themselves. It would
[1:18:42]
be a little different
[1:18:43]
if we heard that
[1:18:44]
things were going to
[1:18:45]
get worse, wouldn't
[1:18:46]
it? But now I haven't
[1:18:47]
heard that if we don't
[1:18:48]
plan to cut a
[1:18:49]
bunch of services this
[1:18:49]
year, it's quite likely
[1:18:50]
that our taxes,
[1:18:51]
including if the
[1:18:52]
bonds are
[1:18:53]
passed, we'll go up
[1:18:54]
10 or 12 cents. That's
[1:18:55]
a lot of money on
[1:18:56]
the backs of
[1:18:57]
taxpayers. There is something to
[1:18:58]
think about.
[1:18:59]
Thank you, Chris.
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Yeah, I think the only thing
[1:19:03]
I can add is that
[1:19:04]
I was there for
[1:19:06]
you. I've come full circle on
[1:19:07]
this. I didn't
[1:19:08]
want to do it, and
[1:19:10]
then I ended up where
[1:19:11]
you were, Chris, where it makes
[1:19:12]
sense. Well, let's
[1:19:14]
ask for outside
[1:19:15]
funds to help
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offset what
[1:19:17]
we need to raise.
[1:19:19]
Hmm, but what I
[1:19:21]
finally realized is that the
[1:19:22]
business still
[1:19:24]
has to pay that 1%. I
[1:19:25]
mean, they
[1:19:27]
can take it on themselves
[1:19:28]
, but whether
[1:19:29]
they get it
[1:19:31]
back or not, of course
[1:19:32]
it's nonsense, but
[1:19:33]
the perception, I think,
[1:19:34]
will be mostly
[1:19:35]
negative that we're
[1:19:36]
raising taxes
[1:19:37]
on top of that. I'm
[1:19:38]
not trying to say
[1:19:40]
that people are stupid, but
[1:19:41]
they just don't...I don't
[1:19:42]
think they'll
[1:19:43]
understand the connection.
[1:19:44]
We spent a lot of
[1:19:45]
time trying to
[1:19:47]
figure this out, and I think
[1:19:48]
all people would agree
[1:19:49]
that we're adding...
[1:19:51]
Agree with the word. Yes.
[1:19:54]
And I think we
[1:19:55]
can do
[1:19:56]
more to attract
[1:19:57]
business without creating a
[1:19:58]
tax. If you
[1:19:59]
get...It's kind of like
[1:20:01]
reverse
[1:20:02]
psychology,
[1:20:02]
but maybe you're
[1:20:04]
right. I mean,
[1:20:05]
who knows? And that doesn't
[1:20:06]
mean "never,"
[1:20:07]
so I don't know. So that's
[1:20:08]
definitely something. And if
[1:20:09]
anyone wants to bring
[1:20:10]
this back to the agenda
[1:20:11]
, you can, of course,
[1:20:12]
ask me.
[1:20:13]
Because it won't be
[1:20:14]
before the town meeting anyway.
[1:20:15]
Right. So something. Is that
[1:20:16]
true, but I, you
[1:20:17]
know, it's...hard to
[1:20:19]
know. We had...We did
[1:20:20]
n't have a 10-minute
[1:20:20]
discussion about this
[1:20:21]
at the town
[1:20:22]
meeting. We raised
[1:20:23]
four issues. Did
[1:20:24]
we break that, Chris?
[1:20:25]
I think someone
[1:20:26]
moved the article, the second
[1:20:27]
part of the article,
[1:20:28]
maybe a comment.
[1:20:30]
Yes, we can add
[1:20:31]
this to the warning.
[1:20:32]
This will allow people...
[1:20:34]
Yes, that's right. Yes. Yes.
[1:20:46]
Well, we
[1:20:47]
can certainly come back
[1:20:48]
to them when we
[1:20:49]
make warnings.
[1:20:50]
Yes, I think it's the
[1:20:51]
same argument. We'll
[1:20:52]
just step
[1:20:53]
aside and let them
[1:20:54]
decide that 3.5 is
[1:20:55]
okay. We'll just
[1:20:57]
step aside and
[1:20:57]
let them
[1:20:58]
decide whether
[1:20:59]
to tax
[1:20:59]
local options, rather than
[1:21:00]
just...
[1:21:01]
We can
[1:21:01]
come back to them
[1:21:02]
when... We're going
[1:21:03]
to see if
[1:21:03]
we issue a
[1:21:04]
warning. I
[1:21:05]
mean, no. This is
[1:21:06]
normal.
[1:21:07]
Yes, we don't need to
[1:21:08]
decide this
[1:21:09]
today.
[1:21:09]
Right. That's right.
[1:21:11]
But, yes. Yes. Oh, Joe, I'm
[1:21:15]
sorry. You said, "Oh,
[1:21:18]
okay. I'm back."
[1:21:22]
Everything is okay, right?
[1:21:24]
I think so.
[1:21:25]
Proposal to
[1:21:26]
postpone
[1:21:26]
the meeting.
[1:21:28]
Good. All in favor. Good.
[1:21:30]
Thank you to everyone who
[1:21:33]
came.
[1:21:33]
Thank you. Thank you to everyone on the
[1:21:35]
line.