[0:01] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the

[0:07] for which it stands, one nation under God,

[0:10] indivisible, with liberty

[0:12] and justice for all.

[0:21] » City Council, City

[0:25] Tuesday, May the 12th, 2016,

[0:29] All members Rod.

[0:31] » Yeah. >> Butch.

[0:32] » Here. >> Donna.

[0:32] » Here. >> Let the record show that all members are

[0:35] Quorum's present to conduct business. Pursuant to statute, this meeting is

[0:39] being recorded Participation in the meeting was consent recorded and

[0:42] included cast of the recorded meeting on

[0:45] YouTube channel.

[0:48] All right. Review and approval of previous month's

[0:51] minutes from April the 13th. I'll make a motion to approve.

[0:55] » Motion by Second >> I.

[0:56] » Johnny. >> Yep.

[0:58] » All right. Any discussion? Seeing none, those in favor signify by

[1:01] saying aye. >> Aye.

[1:02] » Those opposed, no.

[1:07] » Uh the fund and appropriation reports are in your packet. The bank wrecks are

[1:12] on the table. Um

[1:17] We have started getting money again from Trex, which that's the

[1:21] tax refund any unpaid utilities, court cost, or anything out of general.

[1:27] So far in utilities, we collected $6,000.

[1:30] Uh $53. 46 cents. Court's been $2,300 and $95 out of general.

[1:36] So, so that's getting some money back from unpaid bills for the city, so

[1:42] it's good to do. Um Other than that, we're just kind of

[1:48] rolling through the months until next month when we get settlement to see

[1:51] where we're going to be at on that. Other than that, everything's looking

[1:55] about where it's typically at.

[1:58] Uh I Um there is an ordinance in your

[2:02] packet. It's the This is to clear up some appropriations

[2:09] and an additional for the CC money

[2:13] one spot to get that paid. The original number Thomas had was for

[2:17] about $200,000, but when he did budget, we only got 195,

[2:22] so we need an additional 5,000 for the short

[2:26] And then some from the MBH restricted

[2:29] construction over to MBH restricted CC and G

[2:33] uh $2,375. And then there's $1,877.

[2:39] We're going to split that between the at a meeting today.

[2:43] I'll get that squared away with the match totals for the CC and G. So, when

[2:47] that comes in pay that.

[2:51] » is to clean that up so we can get our match straight before Armstrong

[2:55] starts to send us You need an

[2:59] » Yep. >> I'll make motion to approve ordinance

[3:02] 5-2-2026.

[3:05] » I'll second. >> Motion by Blair, second by all in favor

[3:07] of the discussion. All in favor, say aye. Seconded by

[3:10] Senator Knight. Those opposed, say no.

[3:13] The sign is now. >> Okay, please, so I can get that cleared

[3:16] away tomorrow.

[3:22] » Mayor? >> Mhm.

[3:23] » While we have a dead moment, uh I think some of the uh

[3:28] others may not be the uh the

[3:32] the board approached the property trust to help getting land out

[3:37] and uh I just the voting

[3:43] Trout wants to go help him with the park.

[3:45] And it'll be a nice donation. >> Yeah, so I'll I'll kind of

[3:50] fill in a little bit of blanks there for what Wally's talking about. So,

[3:54] after the board and I have been discussing

[3:57] redoing what we call Kiddieland

[4:05] and this fenced-in area right here. A lot of the equipment is dated. Uh this

[4:09] big piece is actually about 30 30 35 years old. I actually played on it when

[4:15] Um so um park board

[4:19] » He was 14. >> [laughter]

[4:21] » Uh no, it's actually my son's age as a matter of fact, but

[4:24] » No, man. I got pictures of going down the slide 2 years ago.

[4:27] » Yeah. >> [laughter]

[4:29] » So um yes, it's it's coming out here to the city hall.

[4:32] So uh Donnie and I were discussing the board about about

[4:36] redoing the Kiddieland area. Um

[4:40] so it's all about doing it and with money that we already have in our books,

[4:43] there are two I'm going to buy two new I'm going to call them big pieces.

[4:47] They're probably somewhat comparable in size to this. Uh

[4:51] our guys uh in order to save a a great big sum of money are going to rearrange

[4:56] this stuff here. Put in those two new pieces

[4:59] uh cuz they have to be assembled and those companies charge about $6100 to

[5:02] assemble them, so just save the save some money on that.

[5:05] We're going to do that and then some of these loose things we may redistribute

[5:09] over here, so we're going to clean that up

[5:11] uh pretty well.

[5:14] So uh the it's basically about 50/50 split.

[5:17] The pieces were about 10,000 apiece, 10 12,000 apiece.

[5:22] So >> [cough]

[5:24] » it'll be a good deal. Probably later this year once we order

[5:28] the pieces and get them here and we get the date set and all that stuff, so

[5:31] Wally, I do appreciate uh appreciate that and also while you're kind of on

[5:34] topic uh >> More?

[5:37] » Well, it's something you guys already did but it's started. So, if you if you

[5:40] go out to the north side the

[5:43] basketball court resurfacing is underway.

[5:46] Uh Trollbonds paid for the electrical work that will be done shortly

[5:50] thereafter. Mike Sinclair is doing that really the electrical line.

[5:58] The resurfacing is being paid from

[6:03] two different places. We are paying for half of it and Knox County, Indiana

[6:07] Economic Development Corporation is paying for 10,000 of it. I got I did

[6:10] that a couple meetings ago. So, we're going to pay it and then they'll

[6:13] reimburse us 10,000. So, um

[6:17] Once the asphalt's finished, then they got to have some nice information.

[6:20] So, I talked to Dr. Kirkwood the other day,

[6:23] who some of you may recall back in the '90s.

[6:27] I started that effort to raise the money.

[6:35] years old

[6:41] Yeah, Trialbank is going to highlight the Bob Fell Christian

[6:44] That's uh It'll be good. Good stuff.

[6:50] Uh all the money I got I wanted to talk

[6:52] about that. Kind of mention to you um Going back to Mayor Blake here's the

[6:57] transition. Uh he had reached a verbal agreement

[7:00] with Bicknell Manor, Lincoln Drive, on trash they were paying the city about

[7:04] $100 a month to cover trash. I was that goes back 12 years.

[7:09] Um they just kind of continued to pay that. When stickers went up, I

[7:12] approached Carol, the administrator there.

[7:16] So, I said, you know, if I need to increase on this, so what I had Donnie

[7:18] do over the period of April, they counted

[7:22] how many bags they pick up in a day at two collection points.

[7:25] They took a count. We averaged that with

[7:29] 63 bags on the average multiplied by $9.50.

[7:39] They did not hesitate.

[7:42] Who who's the administrator down there? Donnie Anderson.

[7:50] » He'd been there I think she told me 12 years.

[7:54] And I'm like, that's uh >> I don't know so they didn't pass it on.

[8:00] » Questions? >> On finance

[8:08] » Uh next we have Ms. Lauren Am I saying that right?

[8:12] Lauren, okay. I was trying to make it French.

[8:15] So uh if you'll go ahead and Uh

[8:19] So she has uh requested from us a lot that we bought on the commissioner's

[8:23] sale that's next to her newly purchased house. I will go to the big board

[8:28] show you where that is and then I'll let her uh tell the story.

[8:32] » Um I own lot 69 and 70 and my house is sitting

[8:36] in the middle of the two properties. It would make a nice addition.

[8:43] » So this is this is on May Boulevard. This house here is a newly built one

[8:48] that you guys bought. Uh this lot um lot commissioner's sale this is

[8:54] either no place or right at 500 Um they've shown interest in it.

[9:01] They want to make their yard bigger. I I bought it maybe.

[9:03] Uh nobody nobody else is beating on my door for it. Uh

[9:08] cost from the commissioner's sale and the

[9:12] Everything associated with 1,703 65.

[9:17] That's what we got in it. >> I'll make a motion to

[9:20] approve that. >> Motion by Roger, second by Johnny. Any

[9:24] further discussion? Seeing none, let's hear the staff saying aye.

[9:27] » Aye. >> Those no?

[9:28] I'll be in time.

[9:31] » I didn't hurt at all. >> I thought it'd be less than 3%.

[9:37] All right. Uh the

[9:42] » Ashley, you're next.

[9:45] So, Ashley has approached me about the property

[9:50] for herself. One of these three lots here on the

[9:54] street. Do you know which one you prefer?

[9:57] » The middle one. >> The middle one. Okay.

[10:01] So, I got together with her what our process is, which is why she's here

[10:04] today. Uh getting

[10:06] what she has to give all of us to finance the stuff. So, go ahead.

[10:12] » There I don't see there's there's two

[10:13] different I do.

[10:17] » I think you missed that in the packet. >> Oh, sorry.

[10:19] » You got it. A four-bedroom.

[10:23] And I'm going to have the kids living in it.

[10:26] » Thomas, can you open >> I do. Yes.

[10:29] » There's two layouts here. There's one for a three-bedroom and one for a

[10:33] four-bedroom. Um

[10:35] The only difference is in where the um front door is. So, if the front door

[10:40] needs to face the road, it'll be a three-bedroom. If it's not required to

[10:44] face the road, it'll be a four-bedroom. Um there's a copy of the lot list. It's

[10:49] at King and Miller. It's the middle lot, the one that I highlighted.

[10:53] Um on there you will see the conditional approval from the Home Loan Place.

[11:00] Um showing that I am approved for the loan

[11:04] for either one of the houses. Um

[11:08] and now that it's done, it's all set. >> I feel like I'm

[11:14] Somebody help me. I know I dealt with a similar outfit on one we did

[11:20] I'm trying to figure out how to >> They've done numerous homes here.

[11:23] » They're probably >> It's [music] Klein Homes in Evansville.

[11:26] » You talked to Nicole about the financing yet?

[11:28] » Um I'm I wanted to make sure I get the land before

[11:31] I move forward with that cuz if I can't get the land

[11:35] I can't go

[11:41] » So you're not taking the corner off? >> No,

[11:45] it's the one in the middle.

[11:52] » You could get another one. >> Well,

[11:55] if at some point I haven't sold it I might

[11:57] try to get another one. So I have a dog that likes to run

[12:01] and eventually if if you know

[12:04] they haven't sold them every time I can try to get another one.

[12:11] » They're they're four empty lots Thomas.

[12:15] » So it would be the lot street.

[12:19] » Uh yeah, this is highlight here so this

[12:22] this is only one. Joining me.

[12:25] Yeah, we we built those those three pieces right there.

[12:30] What was it? Those were block elimination.

[12:33] We've had those for probably eight years. Number 27 since we've had those

[12:37] for nine years. They were three lot houses there.

[12:40] Some we got commission. Uh we sell those

[12:49] These would be the price on these because these were not commission so

[12:51] these were This would be 2500.

[12:57] » Based on what you guys have done in the past.

[12:59] » I'll make a motion to sell.

[13:02] » That is lot number 47 in East Side addition. I've got a

[13:07] motion by Robert. By Johnny first.

[13:10] Seeing none. Saying aye.

[13:13] Going down. Thank you.

[13:15] Thank you. >> Thank you.

[13:16] » Be in touch with me. I need to be talking about a couple other deals.

[13:19] Make probably make my life communicate

[13:23] » That's perfect. >> Thank you.

[13:24] » Don't worry. That makes sense.

[13:28] » Yeah, cuz we're going to >> I'm not going to lie.

[13:32] » I had to call you.

[13:37] » So, we got to wrestle with it. >> Yeah, yeah.

[13:40] » Yeah, I did. >> Uh

[13:44] next uh uh Put them chairs up.

[13:47] Here for discussion. Uh first up, a rezoning change for 4607

[13:51] Pennsylvania Street. Uh which is uh you know, the head start.

[13:55] Uh recent Something like that.

[13:57] I agree with them for that reason.

[14:00] Well, you guys know the way that title is.

[14:03] I don't know if it'll be a long way.

[14:07] I didn't think that.

[14:10] I got to go push it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in the Democratic

[14:14] We're going to have to take I know both myself and the commission

[14:18] » Oh, it. >> important stuff.

[14:21] » [laughter]

[14:24] » So, uh This is uh first reading for just as a

[14:28] rehash of the rules. So, on any rezoning request, it starts here at the first

[14:32] reading. You guys refer to the comprehensive plan. The plan here is

[14:35] that and then they make a positive and

[14:37] negative recommendation. back here uh for a public hearing. Uh notice will

[14:43] be mailed. Rich can interview various neighbors and neighbors can come up or

[14:46] anybody have an opinion. Uh and you guys can sit here.

[14:50] and tell them your story. Yes.

[14:55] So, what do you need out of us today? Just a

[14:57] motion to approve the I'll make that.

[15:01] Question. So, we're sending it you know, to the

[15:06] No, this is just I'll second that. Motion second. Any discussion? Seeing

[15:09] none, let's pass it. All right, then. I Uh those in favor

[15:13] We're going to have troubles. We're going to have We're going to have

[15:15] troubles when we get back here. We're going to have troubles when we get

[15:18] back here. There's nothing we can do on that.

[15:21] We're going to have troubles. I'm not going to spend

[15:27] will tell

[15:34] » I will tell you Rich I talked to a couple of the residents who were right

[15:38] there in the neighborhood

[15:42] have valid concerns. residents in the community

[15:47] also share strong concerns about the

[15:50] and then the migrant housing. And so I've got to take those

[15:54] in my in my head and you know based on kind of what these guys want to do. I

[15:57] don't I can't speak to what they said. >> Yeah, for the record I don't have

[16:01] anything against this family. >> I never said anything like that.

[16:05] » Well, they said I didn't like Mexicans so I didn't want them there.

[16:09] » Yeah. >> I wanted to

[16:11] I wanted to try and be a daycare as you know. My only concern

[16:16] if that can't happen

[16:19] » I will you just so you're so aware it's originally where I had done this yet.

[16:24] And I would Councilman Mullins and I have discussed

[16:27] if we have here the the daycare possibility. Is that a tall order? It

[16:29] is. I I believe that

[16:33] I'm going to put out something on the internet probably within

[16:36] probably this week. Engage community and participate

[16:40] community forum but kind of interest there would be from

[16:45] the community of partnering with the childcare here and talked about that

[16:49] too. I did I have not spoken to

[16:53] Superintendent Carson since community schools but I did talk to Mayor Lloyd

[16:56] Archer. He explained to me uh they have they have a they have a

[17:01] a situation with I believe they call it the Alice

[17:03] Learning Academy in Vincennes that was a partnership between the school

[17:07] corporation the

[17:10] City of Vincennes and some other folks who kind of used that as a it's not

[17:15] zero to five daycare but it's three to five and use

[17:18] it as as a starting point

[17:23] but that was funded in so corporation city of Vincennes Casey ID

[17:33] but I'm interested to find out we have community members

[17:38] part of that I have not talked to Casey ID

[17:43] I do think corporation

[17:47] a particularly important player on this for two reasons one the scenario just

[17:50] described but two the other kind of hole that I

[17:54] see in the child care I is there's a lack of after school

[18:14] » definitive I mean as the what you were saying

[18:18] » So if I can if we get enough support my idea is that we would have a meeting

[18:21] either here or at the school or something

[18:23] » And the and the flip side of that if you don't I mean so what Richie's supposed

[18:27] to do I mean going forward

[18:29] » That's a good question. >> Whoever

[18:33] wants to go first. >> This way

[18:37] the other night said it's almost literally impossible

[18:44] if you get all those players come together here in Vincennes

[18:48] you get it done in there?

[18:53] » You don't know till we've asked. We may strike I'll be very honest we may

[18:56] strike out. I think we may we may absolutely strike

[18:59] out. >> We got two against us right now.

[19:03] » I agree. That would be the best thing for that for

[19:05] » I agree but I mean child care there's nothing that anything

[19:08] that's not needed in every community. >> But

[19:11] » According to that lady last week when she knows

[19:25] Now, I don't live down there. Okay?

[19:29] But, people that I've talked to that do live

[19:33] next to other ones, I have not talked to anybody down there.

[19:36] They have not had Uh

[19:40] That one down there, there's nobody lives there.

[19:44] They live beside him. Correctly in the front of him.

[19:48] Beside him. I did just that.

[19:51] » The one directly in front >> The one in the

[19:53] » in the front >> There's one house in

[19:54] » There's one house in front, but that's it.

[19:57] » There's not a even a house straight in front

[20:01] » It's just a >> The problem

[20:03] » The problem is >> You're talking about 38. Most housing is

[20:08] what? Eight, maybe 10. >> That's That's a

[20:11] » That's on the side. >> Some things are bigger numbers.

[20:13] It's a state for the building. >> Yeah.

[20:15] » And the other thing is, when you don't have migrants

[20:20] The rich Adam most bothers me with the question

[20:22] » We don't have migrants there. on those lines with

[20:26] a short term. to my guy whatever like that. We've got We can't deal with that

[20:30] to Joe Blow. What's up?

[20:34] Bring it up. >> because he's got to you know, he's got

[20:36] to come back in there. You know, we still got to have that for

[20:39] » You'll have work put in that Do you want your I mean

[20:42] » I want to just >> Okay.

[20:45] » Tony. >> Excuse me, Tony. And I and I do have

[20:49] I'm right there. >> So,

[20:50] » my guy You're telling me that we

[20:55] and out of there in a year. We don't know who the

[20:59] migrants are. We don't know. When the the migrants

[21:02] start to be I mean, this guy is This guy

[21:05] It seems some little cartel is there. These are These

[21:08] » How do you know? >> Both of us are bad at the board.

[21:12] We're all bad. >> We got to go.

[21:13] » They all >> They got to go to council.

[21:15] » They're bad. >> They don't

[21:17] » You may have one. through and the

[21:20] you'll have That's the difference between

[21:23] same thing. >> Okay, so it's the third one.

[21:27] Closest to Closest to the council member?

[21:30] » directly by a 100 feet >> So, hit me.

[21:33] » And you're okay.

[21:37] » So, it's not just migrating, it's also the new people coming in.

[21:40] » We've got kids all over the neighborhood and and that's

[21:44] » We could back out of this deal, guys. This is still going to be way too

[21:47] difficult.

[21:52] » I have I have no clue what you >> We can't get that

[21:57] » I I honestly don't know what in the world you could do with it. Other than

[22:00] probably what you're talking about. But, just

[22:04] Just saying that really bad to let this go without giving it a shot.

[22:09] » I >> Give it a shot.

[22:10] » I'm not worried about >> No, we can't

[22:11] » I don't care about what the woman >> Pace said. I already found that one of

[22:15] the >> hold on. We can loosen hold on.

[22:17] » Give it a shot. >> That's

[22:19] with Again, >> We won't be able to

[22:21] » We won't be able to be able to know something next month.

[22:24] » I don't want to guarantee that. >> I mean, probably It's probably

[22:27] » If If they're If Pace is willing to hang in there, loosen.

[22:31] » I don't think they're going to find another buyer.

[22:34] » I've committed to the >> daycare. So,

[22:36] » Huh? >> We'll take the daycare. I've committed

[22:38] to it. >> Excuse me, what? You're saying to me

[22:41] you're willing to put the daycare in there and sell

[22:45] » The purchase >> Well, now that's That's a part That's

[22:48] » That's a pretty big component. >> Yeah.

[22:50] » pretty big >> They pretty big part of

[22:52] » That's the equal part. >> And

[22:53] » The only reason that works for us is for just different things and there's really

[22:56] essentially no There's no way

[23:01] » You don't got to make it happen to her. >> Seriously?

[23:06] Wait, don't get a call call right now. >> So

[23:09] » That's all that's but I mean they've got that would be there

[23:12] They've got 100 square feet basically. 80 to 100 square feet per per guy or

[23:17] whatever. >> I know I'm not a carpenter but how you

[23:19] going to I mean you you said you didn't put them showers in.

[23:24] I mean >> No, it's more one of the in the back

[23:27] there where there's there's a men's women's dressing room.

[23:30] The men's room You've got to have one

[23:33] one stool for every We have 10 guys so there's more than

[23:36] enough stools in there for like in that situation. And then there's that would

[23:40] still only be five stools. And then for that for the women's shower the men's

[23:44] shower room would be turned into a into a shower and

[23:48] get a shower for 10 for 10 guys or that. >> But if you don't have room so you don't

[23:52] mix the women and the men. >> There's no women.

[23:54] » That that >> There's no women.

[23:57] It's all men.

[23:59] No. No.

[24:01] » You got water for 10 men?

[24:03] » I thought you You don't need more than that.

[24:07] » Yeah. >> I do also I want to have a couple

[24:09] things. I did ask Cole

[24:13] about obviously if this is your your zoning

[24:15] change what he intends to do with that. I asked

[24:18] Cole about we would be in a similar situation

[24:21] with the child care care facility on the lot. He advised me not required for

[24:25] zoning change. It will require a visit to zoning official issues.

[24:30] We I want you guys to know about this

[24:32] particular piece of land in case we go away so

[24:36] someone says, "Well, you can make it a child care facility

[24:39] a zoning change that does not come with town. It requires a zoning appeal so we

[24:44] would we would be clean that. Uh I do want to just

[24:49] partially stake in the audience kind of again kind of lay out the geography for

[24:53] everybody. This is where it is.

[24:59] Now, I'm going to overlay the zoning map.

[25:06] So, I apologize if the color lines of these

[25:09] colors are wrong. I apologize. This color that I believe to be a green

[25:14] » Yellow. >> Yellow. Okay. I guess the green's over

[25:17] there. All right. So, that's why I said that. Um this R1 is a zone. Minus this

[25:22] little bit of commercial that's over there.

[25:24] This is all R1 zoning, single-family use. Uh

[25:29] kind of what you think it is. There's an R2 over here. Kind of

[25:33] starting in the center core of town, south of downtown. Uh you could do

[25:37] » Which is two blocks from where we're at. >> Uh

[25:41] two and a half Yeah, yeah, two two and a half somewhere in there.

[25:43] Uh But most of that

[25:46] most of that area down there down here on this

[25:49] all around here is R1. I guess some R2 up here. This This is

[25:54] the commercial. Give you an idea is I kind of felt like given

[25:59] most of this here is R1, I'm hesitant

[26:06] hesitant for us to put drop R2 right in the center of that. Uh

[26:11] » Even though it's two blocks away from where we are.

[26:13] » Yeah, all the same. >> But even then up here, when you come up

[26:15] here in this piece there are not any

[26:19] multi-unit of housings up here that So, that but nobody's using it.

[26:25] » Okay. >> So, I wanted to

[26:27] » So, there's 25 30 cuz I'll say there's 20 20 TIs there.

[26:30] That's 20 cars in the morning. That's 20 cars out in the afternoon. That's 20

[26:34] cars in and that's 20 cars out. Or if we're

[26:37] doing it the other way around. I'd say starting in the morning

[26:42] the traffic in this

[26:44] residential area. >> Yeah, well that was

[26:47] Well, I guess I I'd say that that has been

[26:50] I don't know. I don't have I don't have

[26:53] lived down there for a while. Okay.

[26:59] » And that's been Head Start since 1970. 4

[27:04] And so the idea in my mind of traffic back and forth and they're traveling

[27:08] kids to and from, I don't think it's a new development

[27:13] The only guy in here that I know in this neighborhood that is Donnie. I mean, I

[27:16] don't I don't know if you if you notice a lot of

[27:19] traffic to to and from Head Start on the >> Yeah, there were a lot of cars.

[27:22] » Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[27:27] When you think with them?

[27:32] Well, no, I'm just saying you got The traffic occurs when you think it would

[27:36] occur there.

[27:44] » And I imagine you'll have a lot of foot traffic

[27:49] » When we going to know something definitive on this mirror?

[27:51] » We I I'm willing to hang out a month or two. I'm sure Pace

[28:03] » Well, I don't want this string on I don't this string on on you all the way

[28:06] to the >> We got to do something sometime to give

[28:09] it a shot. >> I mean, I I appreciate it.

[28:11] » We'd just like to try >> back off and say we want to do something

[28:16] hang on for a month or so. >> And we don't worry

[28:25] » I'll come in after you. >> On the you ask

[28:29] what We thought and when you said we that

[28:33] includes me. And I'm saying this that if we can get a

[28:37] daycare center and it's

[28:40] it's happening that a daycare center will go in there

[28:43] I'll be in favor of that. If not, I'm really open-minded about

[28:49] what you're doing. I'm just going to say that I promise you

[28:53] one way or the but daycare is my first priority. That

[28:56] doesn't have to happen. We'll work towards

[29:00] what you have there. So, if that helps,

[29:03] your choice, that's >> I also think

[29:08] you know, we start talking about about having a community meeting first

[29:11] for this discussion, I think >> [clears throat]

[29:15] » there's an opportunity to talk to anybody

[29:18] to see to gauge what people think.

[29:22] I don't know, maybe I'm a little naive. I just think it's going to be it's going

[29:25] to be hard to I just want everybody to think it's

[29:28] going to be

[29:30] Everything positive there on the first bus back to Mexico

[29:35] I've got within next Yeah. Yeah. I would say what I'm saying

[29:39] is that there's a very >> Huh?

[29:42] » Anytime we Anytime we have somebody that takes somebody to

[29:46] jail that doesn't have have actual

[29:48] citizenship documents, they're going to I mean, they're shipping people to

[29:51] Russia. They're shipping people to China.

[29:54] » I think that's >> That's the racist

[29:57] The reason they don't have passports >> I had I had a lot

[30:02] truck

[30:04] The trailer

[30:07] Yeah, I I've never personally been out And that's the same

[30:11] » [clears throat] >> We got to get the police

[30:13] for being called. That's what I'm talking about.

[30:16] » That's the same guy. That's the same >> That's the same two guys.

[30:18] » I mean, [laughter] the real The real problem I had

[30:23] I mean, >> and

[30:25] » making a lot of noise.

[30:27] But, they were pretty good. >> But, they were there.

[30:29] » They don't even >> No, but I brought them like like loose

[30:32] for a couple months to >> The one we deal with the most is on

[30:34] State Street. But, even there, they I think they have

[30:38] kind of started to weed that out a little bit,

[30:40] too. >> How many is in Oh, that's that's

[30:42] completely That's That's

[30:54] How long How long have you been since

[30:58] you've been on track? 73?

[31:01] » Probably. >> And

[31:08] That's one consideration I've had. It is Let's get it back on

[31:12] » Are you over stating what we're saying?

[31:14] » No.

[31:17] Not at all.

[31:20] But

[31:23] if

[31:27] you're able to do this

[31:32] if you're able to

[31:44] I don't know why you would even do it. If I was standing there, I'd say

[31:48] I'm out. >> I'll take period.

[31:51] » I'm basically

[31:57] I don't What?

[31:59] » normal and it's worth it. >> [clears throat]

[32:03] » I guess I spent the last

[32:06] entire that's And that's we're looking

[32:12] I'm in a community. I've owned the houses in Bethlehem for

[32:14] 27 years. And we've been a very good community

[32:17] partner here.

[32:20] That's another other things like And And it had been in town for years

[32:24] and I would have I don't

[32:26] know if I'd call uniform radio without gotten all the time. And the houses we

[32:30] do have here is either there We've got

[32:34] I own 30 units at 9:00 p.m. And so out of those four units probably about 25%

[32:39] of them we got 10 units so the 25% of them is actually on section 8. I think

[32:43] these these others are here. And I'd love to get a photo of people together

[32:46] with the housing either one of those one of those

[32:48] housing groups. And

[32:50] the houses that are right next to the four other homeowner groups that

[32:54] and let everybody take a seat and see who's got the ticket to those

[32:57] those houses and those are belonging to those people. It's horrible. I don't

[33:00] appreciate >> Reggie, we understand aggravation but as

[33:04] I told you day one >> I'm happy to be in the group with you

[33:11] » I mean You don't be mad at calling say you got

[33:14] any ideas?

[33:19] » That would be great >> And I'm just

[33:21] we can't >> Yeah

[33:22] » I don't want to sit there and rot And I don't know who

[33:26] » That's the choice >> I mean I don't know how many apartments

[33:28] you can make out of them You know, quite honestly I'd rather have

[33:32] them your age too. I would the apartment deal

[33:36] » Well, I mean it would be it would be highly it would

[33:40] cost me a lot of money to get apartments to bust out of four by fives

[33:45] So then now we're plumbing issues that we got to deal with

[33:47] that try to get kitchens where they need to be, toilets and things all those

[33:50] other things where they need to be. But what we want to do is

[33:53] install right here where this

[33:56] I would have to do that property so that saves a lot of money on making that

[34:00] happen for the last >> And they could use the playground

[34:03] » Yeah, yeah. I can slide down that >> I think that's private property

[34:07] » It is not. No, Now there's

[34:10] There's a suppression Probably should have put the cost so

[34:13] much to get it But they

[34:17] You know I don't feel

[34:20] » [laughter]

[34:22] » You got a lake? >> That is done That is agreed on

[34:27] Debate on the re-zoning So now if they wanted to they could hold

[34:31] they could hold the fire if they so chose to. go with it

[34:36] Again, there's a great commercial operation down there.

[34:39] 15 years it's a I would probably

[34:44] There's a lot of stuff that's going on that's down there.

[34:51] » Anybody else?

[34:54] Thank you, Rich. >> I've got somewhere else to go in about

[34:56] 15 minutes. >> Rich? Rich, go ahead and walk.

[35:04] All right. Reports from department heads. Chief

[35:07] Rowe.

[35:13] » After you.

[35:16] » Um Starting on the cleanup. I was spraying

[35:22] and I have discussed, you know, we've had some

[35:25] some areas that we've revisited. My understanding is for several years

[35:32] uh I've been trying

[35:34] to do some cleanup.

[35:38] I was left with, you know, but it's one of those sayings

[35:43] uh I discussed with the mayor is

[35:46] hopping here and hopping there and going here and doing a little something and

[35:53] trouble areas we need to stay

[35:59] had some luck going on over there. Drove around another

[36:04] some properties over by Donnie some problems

[36:10] by sometime

[36:16] give it a couple of pushes Jeff

[36:20] taking an enormous amount of

[36:23] junk out.

[36:26] So far uh

[36:29] And if we get stuck

[36:33] my brother and some of them I know that asked for

[36:41] lived with it for years give me a little talk. I mean, some of these places

[36:49] you know, they may be perfect and a lot better than what they were

[36:53] some of these others they're working that we have that we've got

[37:00] certain kinds of of called junk vehicles

[37:05] that have left.

[37:09] I was reviewing that from some pictures that I took

[37:13] uh last year. A lot of people didn't

[37:15] realize there was and even the ward against it

[37:20] and asking them and this you know, this is the issue.

[37:26] A lot of people have voluntarily

[37:31] some of their masses you know, many people

[37:36] that you know, we're probably going to have

[37:38] to you know, I'd rather clean up a few

[37:41] places than a

[37:43] uh in my time here

[37:47] and I mean, I you know, I've been here a little over a year.

[37:50] uh It's different because I go around

[37:54] taking pictures of everything. And

[37:58] I go back and a lot of

[38:02] and a lot of it is just purely the uh

[38:08] cooperation of people who live here. Uh I mean, I'm not

[38:12] you know, the vast majority of I'm not threatening to cite threatening to cite

[38:17] them or anything like that. They voluntarily

[38:20] took care. So, I think

[38:23] the property owner on

[38:27] Old Cole and >> And uh

[38:29] » Maple and were most

[38:32] But you know, there's there was

[38:36] a main amount of trash that they had been

[38:41] And I don't know Most of it looked like it was old.

[38:45] Looked like a big pile. It was actually a lot of trash that they had burned

[38:48] years over the years.

[38:51] Uh >> [clears throat]

[38:53] » And then they did that. I mean, it's all cleaned up.

[38:56] I think they took 10 vehicles out of there.

[38:59] Uh They took

[39:01] » took >> I mean, he he he was hauling it out in a

[39:05] a uh and I I was watching him on site and he

[39:09] did he did about 10, 12 pickups at one site.

[39:13] » It was Cole and Maple. >> Uh

[39:17] He called it Cole and Maple. >> What is

[39:21] It's the team right there.

[39:24] That ain't Cole. >> Yellow yellow house on the corner.

[39:28] » That ain't Cole. >> It's right there behind

[39:30] » Randy Miller. >> This one.

[39:31] » In other words, look that's that's another

[39:33] » That's another one. >> Go down there.

[39:35] » This one is >> That's where I'm

[39:37] » I don't I don't know where all the guns >> Now

[39:41] they had their stuff there. All right, those places that's owned out

[39:44] of state by somebody in Florida. So, >> Anyway,

[39:48] he is They're knocking down some of the

[39:52] the brush I mean, there's mountains of trash.

[39:56] » But is it to double the truck?

[39:58] » It's across the street from the >> Okay.

[40:01] » Bases >> Yeah, Bases would have been

[40:03] » But it's right there in that But I just

[40:06] » You know, that's just one, you know what I mean? And some of them

[40:09] » That that one One behind Bases.

[40:12] » Yes. >> Well, yeah.

[40:14] » Well, it looks about I guess that ain't >> Well, then the one he's talking about

[40:18] Bases. >> Which one are you talking about?

[40:20] We are engaged with them as well.

[40:24] They have taken out a lot of

[40:30] of uh

[40:34] They have They have treasured

[40:38] They have taken out a lot. It's going to be a process. There's something there.

[40:43] But I said that they're They have made some It's definitely in the positive

[40:48] direction. >> Those folks

[40:50] I mean an excavator there for 5 or 6 years ago.

[40:54] » Right. >> So I don't know 6 years ago. And the guy

[40:57] was sick and they were going to go and go and go and go and go and go and

[41:02] The apple tree is not in the alley. >> I'd have to look.

[41:14] I don't understand. I don't probably

[41:16] » They They have been doing some >> They They have been doing some things.

[41:19] I'm working over there and doing things and I'm

[41:21] I'm preparing myself for this situation where you got to come down with an

[41:23] excavator or a backhoe. >> Yeah.

[41:27] Good job. That's the same

[41:32] No idea There I I got with the property owner.

[41:38] I walked around I

[41:42] photographed

[41:45] There's this Every everything that that's grown up

[41:48] and green or something you can uh it's grown up on top of

[41:54] uh

[41:56] They like I said Thus far they've done

[42:01] They have done some good work. Get rid of

[42:04] uh you know, several several trailer loads

[42:09] of trash. Uh

[42:11] They still have quite a bit of time. I mean

[42:15] I don't know who's with them on the highway

[42:19] down there. I mean that's going to be

[42:23] They have

[42:28] She's taken

[42:32] at least two semi loads

[42:37] and it's a lot better and she's happy. I mean

[42:42] she actually happy that you know her yard's looking

[42:47] better. >> Just need somebody to give her a push.

[42:49] » If she can give her

[42:52] » And you know that part of it you know she she has some

[42:55] some family members and and things she wants rid of those junk vehicles.

[43:00] And they kind of you know they pressured us well I'll get rid of them for you.

[43:05] It's her problem. >> I was I was the one working on the

[43:09] couple couple complaints

[43:13] I was on the office street and that kind of had 11 dogs.

[43:16] Uh the neighbor called and asked me a question about the animals breeding

[43:20] which are currently prohibited in our city ordinance but I have to figure out

[43:23] if What do you have?

[43:25] It fits the facts based on what we've been told.

[43:30] That's what we've been trying to cooperate with

[43:33] folks I think. They can call lots of other folks on some small small

[43:38] stuff. >> More people are cooperating.

[43:42] I mean I I think That's what I found.

[43:48] You know

[43:51] You got a lot of people. It's always difficult. But

[43:55] you know one of the one of the things that I brought you know a lot of this is

[44:00] on a contract to buy.

[44:03] Well

[44:06] that if I start writing tickets to the yellow

[44:09] sign They don't care. I can write them as

[44:13] many tickets as you know, they they have no intention of

[44:17] is those can be put as a lien on that

[44:20] property. And then they buy the property down the

[44:24] road and they inherit that lien. And they're not even going to know, you

[44:29] know, I was dealing with one lady I said, you know,

[44:33] I wouldn't be dealing with you. I

[44:37] but you're going to incur all of this when you eventually get the property.

[44:41] And that was kind of a push. She was She wasn't even aware of that. Once I told

[44:45] her that,

[44:51] » Do you actually know anybody that ever dealt with those

[44:56] and they actually got the deed?

[45:10] » The unfortunate thing I've seen is

[45:14] poor unfortunate people see those properties when they go online

[45:20] they do these type of

[45:24] and they look at these properties when they were well taken care of

[45:32] and you know, I had one young couple that showed up here

[45:35] planning on moving in and they had sold their house.

[45:40] And they had no idea, you know,

[45:44] and then they ended up uh uh

[45:48] uh buying

[45:56] » I think the old house on the street is that way.

[46:00] » for a lifetime. But then they

[46:03] they'll buy sell for 28,000

[46:07] and then they'll buy it back for 10.

[46:11] And they put back one car. We have to

[46:15] Any any other questions or >> Let me ask a question, man.

[46:19] » How are you with the Dollar General on Short Street?

[46:22] Next to the Dollar General on Short Street.

[46:25] » I'm sorry. >> The Dollar General on Short Street. Part

[46:29] of the Short Street. >> Okay.

[46:31] » To the house? >> The house?

[46:33] » Left of the >> society.

[46:34] » No, that's mine. >> No, you're beside my property.

[46:37] » Yeah.

[46:40] » You have another one right next to >> Wait, they have so much trash now

[46:44] that it's between our >> No, that's illegal.

[46:46] » It's flowing over there. >> Yeah.

[46:49] Uh My answer to that is is I want to

[46:54] want to clean up.

[46:57] I gave

[47:00] This this is what I, you know, I found is

[47:04] is a business.

[47:06] And clean it up a little bit after.

[47:12] problem. And it is really hard to tell if you clean up a little bit of junk.

[47:17] And it is hard to tell when they start

[47:20] adding to it. And you know, you clean it up

[47:26] you know, it's clean.

[47:29] And then most of the you know, I've seen a lot of

[47:31] homes then they don't get cleaned up.

[47:34] But I mean, if there's already

[47:38] Clutter clutter begins to flow. And so

[47:43] Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. No, I have not gotten over there.

[47:49] I mean, you have over there.

[47:52] So that was a I don't want to say more pressing,

[47:55] but it presented itself as an opportunity where I could resolve the

[47:58] issue. >> You're not Yeah, and you're not going to

[48:00] be able to resolve this. They don't They don't

[48:03] They don't care and they verbally have said that they

[48:06] don't care. >> I mean we I mean we can definitely look

[48:08] at this week. I think that's I mean but that's just, you know, I'm

[48:12] not saying I'm I'm not saying I'm you know

[48:13] » No, I understand. >> It's just trying to get

[48:16] just trying to do

[48:19] 20 or 30 get the people

[48:23] You know what I mean? And then Maybe I got nothing

[48:27] Do you guys have any Do you guys have any Tom, do you want to

[48:30] We got a few >> Thank you.

[48:31] » This is Tom. Any other Any other questions?

[48:36] Fire Mike.

[48:39] We've had 42 runs already in the last month.

[48:43] Uh I had the insurance guy come the other day.

[48:48] I crawled around on the roof.

[48:51] I went in the attic. Took a bunch of pictures.

[48:56] I didn't get to talk to anybody after that.

[48:59] But you know there's got to be a hole before they cover metal.

[49:04] It depends on the metal what it blown back

[49:08] and some of the screws or nails pushed back.

[49:13] He said he found these spots where it looked like hail but most of it just

[49:17] looked like damage.

[49:20] So, the fire station is covered under a different policy than everything else

[49:23] cuz

[49:27] Good question. The guy that I found on the roof of all these other ones on the

[49:31] fire station he said that Nobody said that to

[49:35] But this guy told me that it was Nobody said that.

[49:39] That's the insurance company covering all this. I don't know what the guy was

[49:42] going to say.

[49:45] So, the contractor said that the pitch it knocks off the granules so bad.

[49:51] But the insurance company said well, unless it's actually hit and gets toward

[49:55] the whole end.

[50:04] We had water the other day.

[50:08] Right here in my office doorway.

[50:14] So, I'm assuming it went through the roof, through the middle of the wall,

[50:18] and just come out around the corner. But you actually have a leak.

[50:23] Somewhere down there. Yeah. I've I've seen them. Couple of

[50:27] those. I've I've just wanted anybody else to have any comments from

[50:37] Uh couple of other things that are out there.

[50:40] » One question I'm having and you and if we can maybe come back to it after you

[50:44] go through what you want to go through. >> [clears throat]

[50:48] » I I kind of I just got contacted And I can set that up like I'm going to

[50:52] set that contract requested about >> Yeah.

[50:55] » that deal down there. >> Yeah, I I can have them come back to

[50:57] talk about that.

[51:00] » Okay. So, you go through what you want to go through.

[51:03] » So, a couple of other things that are out there.

[51:06] This is my piece here but we do have a couple of decent

[51:09] problems high in the building.

[51:11] Uh I know there was a little bit of water

[51:13] left in a couple of pipes so they broke. Fixing that

[51:18] should be up They got those One piece that's coming

[51:20] in on Amazon and we got to get down by the weekend.

[51:26] It's been there 5 years and big thing we've had to fix

[51:31] Um The current Board of Works today, the

[51:33] Board of Works approved the demolition of 12 West Third. For those of you who

[51:37] keep keep score, that's down by uh Jeff Nessel.

[51:40] Uh it's bought by the the yellow sign

[51:43] people equivalent. I say it. There's actually a wall laying in the back of

[51:47] They had to sell off the tree that they had set up there.

[51:59] Uh, we also upheld We also upheld

[52:05] 315 East First and 316 Place. I'm going to wait and I'm going to send

[52:09] the property to the daughter. There's anything that she won't get out

[52:14] of or wants to do with it.

[52:18] Keep that in mind. We also approved clean up of a property

[52:21] at Merlin and Kicks Miller. It's two vacant lots that we bought at the

[52:24] commission sale. Has an old trailer on it and the

[52:27] yard is covered because the neighbor next door

[52:31] co-ops for their own use. Uh, so that will be one to have him show

[52:36] up with the machine in the box and he scraps it all and makes it disappear.

[52:39] So, Uh, that's all for today. Yeah,

[52:44] they'll say

[52:46] Miles will be returning on the 21st. That's the last day of school. They have

[52:50] to do some curb work and some drainage by the school.

[52:53] Then they'll start the mill overlay there after. So, I suspect we'll see new

[52:56] asphalt mid-late June. Their contract date is

[53:00] the 10th of July.

[53:02] » Yeah, Mary talking about them houses.

[53:07] Talking about that place that's grown over

[53:10] on Bruceville Avenue. And I I mean

[53:12] » [clears throat] >> it's that

[53:13] If If you're coming off of Bruceville Avenue,

[53:17] you pass G. Smith's house on the left and you go on the opposite side of the

[53:22] street. I mean there's there's brush and everything. It's all

[53:24] » That's probably 217. We have a pending order with her.

[53:30] Uh, latest inside.

[53:32] » Uh, somebody lives in there? >> Uh, yeah. So, she

[53:35] » Good in at Second Street. Turn a little bit to the right.

[53:38] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[53:39] » So, >> So, we started that

[53:44] 3 or 4 months ago. I think probably

[53:46] we sent her a notice. In my opinion, the place needs to be flattened.

[53:50] Um the lady who lives there, who is the owner of record, claims that she has an

[53:54] illness that prevents her from coming outside for an extended period of time.

[53:58] Tom was actually very nervous. Uh I talked to Tom several times, and of

[54:03] course the cardboard boxes,

[54:07] where she has all her stuff I'm pretty sure there's no more mice.

[54:12] We need to get rid of them. So, I'm trying to figure out a way that I can

[54:18] go to her house and grab her and get her out and, you know, throw somebody on the

[54:21] street. This This This one's going to be difficult. But, to your point, Johnny,

[54:26] we are engaged. >> Didn't some people clean that up?

[54:30] Seemed like I had locked up there and Yeah.

[54:33] » It was did for What was that tree growing out on the

[54:36] somewhere around it up for

[54:39] » Yeah. Well, and we got we got a lot

[54:42] few years ago. This may be what you're talking about.

[54:45] The front porch collapsed and stuff. I said, "Put the box in the yard." I had

[54:49] guys getting it and they did it well.

[54:53] She has statements to me she was going to sell it or give it to

[54:58] fantastic. Uh it'll be a long time

[55:03] because I'm

[55:06] I She doesn't want to leave. And

[55:09] can't tear it down. >> We talked to her

[55:13] » No, I don't >> Based on what

[55:15] » And Tom corrected me I don't think >> I think she's 60.

[55:20] » I I talked to her on the phone. She's She's competent. Like, it's

[55:23] nothing nothing like that. She can make her own decisions. It's not

[55:26] an issue like that. And she's

[55:30] relatively intelligent.

[55:34] Uh to your So, we're trying to figure out

[55:37] » I can't tell you anything about this. >> No.

[55:40] Limestone comes back we do have a small sinkhole.

[55:46] Washington through there you'll see

[55:49] more deep and wide and they're separated by limestone.

[55:54] What's limestone on which side of town?

[55:58] That's on limestone. That's a pipeline. We're placing gas lines all over that

[56:04] on our dime.

[56:09] No, that's on the dial and they did that

[56:13] when they were here last

[56:19] They said send me a list of the ones you're going to do. Well, I sent them

[56:22] and I accept that what they're doing over there because they're crossing in a

[56:25] couple And they've actually been real good.

[56:28] They've only they've potholed everything and really

[56:30] been fair with what Well, they bored bored a lot of it. They

[56:34] bored most of up and directional boring a lot of

[56:37] I'm probably going to leave here and show up tomorrow.

[56:42] I'm I'm I'm going to plan that ditch and I'm

[56:45] trying to pull that up and They're they're getting

[56:50] We're taking this all in. down

[56:54] down there and actually the younger fish is down.

[57:00] I'm actually I'm actually I'm actually I'm actually

[57:04] I'm going to take a around and put them on the truck.

[57:06] I'm going to try to get paid for putting them on the truck. Yeah, okay. So, um

[57:12] I'm trying to discover more things.

[57:16] I'm actually breaking the news on this now.

[57:20] All right, sounds good. No, cuz it's not Keep it to yourself.

[57:26] I know I'm going to say it anyway. So, you all know that we did East 4th Street

[57:31] made real pretty and it's fabulous and wonderful.

[57:35] We have uncovered that there is a storm drain in that new street.

[57:40] It would be about between fault and Thomas Street that's

[57:44] about It's easy to find together.

[57:46] Well, Lee and Donnie and I and and John have been trying to figure out the new

[57:50] way to go. So,

[57:57] it gets 50 ft past where the About one before

[58:02] » Up the hill. >> Up the hill.

[58:04] » Yeah. >> So,

[58:05] » We're looking in here.

[58:11] » 4th Street. >> Thomas Street, Fault Street.

[58:15] Manhole right there. It drains into that manhole.

[58:20] Water from up here comes into these into these pipes and manholes. This way

[58:25] Following?

[58:28] What we found out is when it heavy rains, you'd sit at this Fault Street

[58:32] intersection and water would come up out of the

[58:34] drains and

[58:38] We opened the mess up with three three and a half stuck it all out and did it

[58:41] and did it some more. Told my guys, I said, "Get down in this

[58:45] man This manhole up here is new.

[58:48] » The new one. >> Yeah, and it's new from here that way.

[58:53] So, my heart already got down in this probably

[58:55] 5 6 Got in, took the pictures. You can see

[58:59] 15 that there's the top the top of

[59:03] down inside of it. It does flow It can flow a lot of water.

[59:09] So, talked to John. He said, "You can rent for real."

[59:12] We had an outfit come out with a robotic camera. They crawled up 15 ft from that

[59:17] manhole is where it's at.

[59:20] So, I don't have any reason to believe the current's doing well.

[59:24] Cuz if they would have I'd have said, "Just tap tap on and go.

[59:28] When it rains a little bit you don't notice

[59:31] when we have heavy downpours of rain. I've sat here in my truck and watched

[59:34] the manhole here at a half a block up just

[59:37] pop and settle.

[59:39] It comes cuz the water backs up that way.

[59:42] » I don't know. >> Um

[59:46] You can consider based on what Milestone has told me that

[59:52] I don't think they can lie. We thought that maybe

[59:56] I mean I think it can be fixed that based on how the

[1:00:00] » I think we should be >> I don't

[1:00:05] John, I don't know about that one. What are you talking about? I'm like, "What?"

[1:00:07] Milestone told me that the pipe burst and he basically described what you told

[1:00:11] me and you told me one up. >> It's like a mole

[1:00:14] » I have not gotten far in the weeds on it. It is is my preference.

[1:00:18] » It may not be financially here. Like busy

[1:00:25] and sit right on the road now. >> Right.

[1:00:26] » But that's a big plus

[1:00:28] new pipe and be able to pull the moving with it.

[1:00:30] » I have not I I do not have any nerves >> It's a quick fix.

[1:00:34] » It's a quick fix. I mean as far as >> I want to ask you, Robin, is that

[1:00:39] » Depends on after that 15 ft. I mean if you're either one you know

[1:00:44] » You dig up >> Huh?

[1:00:49] If you dig up 15 ft and say, "Hey, we found it."

[1:00:52] You look up 30 ft.

[1:00:55] But it could be worse. It could be 10 or 12

[1:00:58] Oh yeah, it is. It's shallow in compared to the other

[1:01:01] stuff we got to do. So I'm telling you this to say that

[1:01:06] we're figuring it out. We do not have service is not impaired. On top we got

[1:01:11] to see the John and I talked to you thought thought

[1:01:14] the reason we were buying this time we put it down so we have a better base on

[1:01:18] that. I'm telling you all this to say there

[1:01:21] I'm really unpleasant conversation where I said we got to got to do it or

[1:01:24] something. I just think Shelton should do it.

[1:01:27] But I don't I don't have a better answer than that.

[1:01:29] We've been we've been kind of Donny William and I've been working through

[1:01:33] this month and a half.

[1:01:45] I just I hate it because because I've seen it and we know that we

[1:01:48] could have just fixed it.

[1:01:53] And we've tried tried to do everything in our power to

[1:01:55] try to have this >> It's CIA here.

[1:01:59] » They are doing the best. Great basketball court today.

[1:02:04] » I'll add mine to that. >> Well, then you're going to be He's going

[1:02:07] to go to school.

[1:02:12] So, that's out there.

[1:02:18] Um I'm on senior Myers. I believe you want to discuss something with us about

[1:02:22] parking.

[1:02:29] All of our guys are on Main Street. legally

[1:02:38] Everybody moved on Dalton Street on our side of the road.

[1:02:45] All of our employees are parking on Dalton Street.

[1:02:47] » Right. >> I've got a

[1:02:50] It's up here. New recovery placement and now we've got

[1:02:54] a Might as well be it.

[1:03:00] You had parked on your lot for extra gravel.

[1:03:02] It's out. It's been parked there for about 10 days

[1:03:06] and not moved. >> Park right there.

[1:03:09] » They won't park anything on our side of the road.

[1:03:16] Um Brian talked to No. >> Um Brian talked to this a little while

[1:03:21] back. I I sent you guys an email that has the existing ordinance on file for

[1:03:26] residential parking signs. That ordinance goes back to 1987. I do not

[1:03:29] find it to be applicable in this situation because it talks about

[1:03:33] residential family housing. And for situations where

[1:03:37] a homeowner gets a sign and they buy and do not have any off-street parking, it

[1:03:40] doesn't enter I don't I don't find it applicable in the situation I'm talking

[1:03:43] about. >> The real issue is I mean our lot is just

[1:03:48] big enough to spin our truck and trailer around in.

[1:03:51] Um that's why we don't three weeks from having

[1:03:57] That traffic just number of traffic that's

[1:04:00] will further complicate our guys being able

[1:04:03] to >> Ain't that concrete across the road in

[1:04:08] between the building? Not only that concrete.

[1:04:11] » There's a piece of it >> In between it.

[1:04:15] » There's >> bad spot.

[1:04:17] » Done. >> There's bad in

[1:04:19] » Yeah, that's that's [clears throat] going to be

[1:04:21] » He was parking his employees next to that building where bricks may fall off

[1:04:24] and hit their car. >> I mean initially we were going to park

[1:04:28] on Reed Street. That's why we graveled the asphalt

[1:04:31] and then the asphalt. The problem is you can't get turned

[1:04:35] around down there.

[1:04:40] » They set a semi trailer there. >> No.

[1:04:43] » It's not a straight truck. It's a two and a half

[1:04:46] ton >> It's a It's a U-Haul truck. Remember it

[1:04:48] said over here? >> Yep.

[1:04:50] » And I have a And I need to look at it. I haven't had time to look at it, but we

[1:04:53] do have a notice that prohibits And the other the other complaint that I

[1:04:58] get against I have is we're spending a lot of money down on Main Street

[1:05:03] We also have a car turn turning into the sidewalk

[1:05:07] two nights now. Parking on the sidewalk.

[1:05:10] » Yeah, they were >> They're right in the middle of the

[1:05:11] sidewalk. >> They were unloading stuff in in that old

[1:05:14] Yeah, and I had >> I mean it's been there a bit, too.

[1:05:18] » Yeah.

[1:05:27] » No. >> So so

[1:05:30] You want some signs down there? >> Well, also

[1:05:33] the truck being where it's at, when we go to pull out

[1:05:36] on Elm Street, you can't see the truck.

[1:05:41] » And that's why we leave

[1:06:01] Right. Right. I was thinking like if they wanted a designated employee

[1:06:05] » He can park that truck up there behind the old

[1:06:08] » I mean I was looking >> And I thought he could park it in there.

[1:06:12] » I mean you can't use the

[1:06:17] Oh, I can't back it in there. >> Well, he owns the building up

[1:06:22] the old Eagle building.

[1:06:27] » I I decided to do a couple of things and I I told Brian to come up and talk to

[1:06:31] you guys because if you

[1:06:33] if there was a a need to designate parking specifically for

[1:06:36] him and his employees, do you guys need to vote on it?

[1:06:39] » What do we need to do? >> Uh so, I mean you guys would need to

[1:06:44] I can draft We can draft an ordinance or you guys

[1:06:47] can vote. >> You know, to

[1:06:49] » to designate >> Look, he's it's probably better if we

[1:06:51] write it out specifically and say, "Hey, it's this this spot."

[1:06:57] » I'd say we get it done there. >> Me, too.

[1:07:00] » I've got one question.

[1:07:03] Um you would use if we if we do give you

[1:07:06] some parking Uh how late do you use the park

[1:07:11] can can you guys be out there in time the recovery needs it

[1:07:18] You know I mean I mean we can >> Well I mean I don't know how to answer

[1:07:21] that because we work late

[1:07:24] » Yeah most most of the time between 3 and 5 they're done

[1:07:27] Um I don't really know where all these vehicles

[1:07:32] understanding was these guys drive to

[1:07:37] where all these vehicles are

[1:07:41] I'm not sure if they're even what they're even

[1:07:44] I don't even want to know >> [laughter]

[1:07:47] » Can we do something like >> business working only between

[1:07:51] 6:00 in the morning and 6:00 at night >> I got

[1:07:54] » I got an idea I have a thought

[1:07:56] » I got notified of this pending issue

[1:08:01] we might bring this up and see if what the town wants

[1:08:05] if it can do um before we

[1:08:08] » It doesn't have to be an immediate fix

[1:08:11] we're just complaints we're

[1:08:14] out there on Main Street trying to get them off

[1:08:16] » get them on Main Street and they move back in and then I mean there's a good

[1:08:20] number I should probably know this

[1:08:25] » How many employees do you have to come in and park here every day?

[1:08:30] » Four every day >> Five

[1:08:36] » If I'm doing the math he didn't give a day off to you

[1:08:40] three other guys so >> I do freaking all of them so

[1:08:43] » Yeah one didn't drive four of them are there every day they

[1:08:47] didn't drive and then Josiah Mack is there and he's

[1:08:50] not so that's

[1:08:55] » I think in the short term what we could do because he showed me the live video

[1:08:58] where that truck is sitting in relationship to his place

[1:09:01] I think I have time to go down and try to

[1:09:03] obviously got a sight distance problem. Where people can't see the intersection.

[1:09:07] That's an issue. He can't come out of his place

[1:09:11] smoke is coming from coming down off the street.

[1:09:15] We might be really curious if the lights on that truck are valid.

[1:09:25] » What do they use that >> Like I said, it hasn't moved in the last

[1:09:29] 8 days. >> Is that a fact?

[1:09:31] » I've been here >> one down there.

[1:09:32] » I got to go put the junk out of the building up here beside the flower shop

[1:09:36] and then put it in

[1:09:41] and he didn't want to answer. And I told you yesterday.

[1:09:47] There's no reason for that except tonight.

[1:09:50] » It's >> Really, if it was

[1:09:53] » it's going to be >> we wouldn't have a problem. I mean,

[1:09:55] that's pretty >> three parking three

[1:09:57] » Well, my my hope would be that we could

[1:10:01] I got to look at the short term to see if we got to get to the we got to go

[1:10:04] that route, but I got to >> same people are on the the argument I

[1:10:08] got when I approached them last time they had to park on our side because

[1:10:13] there's no cameras facing their side. >> I

[1:10:20] » What they're going to say >> Lots of cameras there or

[1:10:23] » Right. Yeah, I'm sure they'll >> How does that thing work? Somebody like

[1:10:27] paying them for them people to >> Right.

[1:10:31] » I have no idea. I haven't seen very many

[1:10:35] I mean, that's that's but that's a >> That's what's wrong with

[1:10:38] » Huh? >> I haven't seen enough people or cars

[1:10:42] » That's actually >> Paul Apple's got a million dollars

[1:10:44] himself. >> We'll talk to

[1:10:46] » So >> pick a

[1:10:49] drive

[1:10:52] The Lord pick us up. >> Well, she usually he's on his side.

[1:10:56] » Yeah, but I mean, he can come and there

[1:11:00] » Is he in there or is he helping there? >> Is it

[1:11:05] » He's right by the limit. >> He's a chaperone, that's my

[1:11:08] understanding. >> For what?

[1:11:10] » Chaperone, somebody kind of watches over them and

[1:11:13] makes sure they're not >> He might be doing that in the

[1:11:19] » He told me he's never been in any alcohol or drugs. He said he's done 6

[1:11:24] months in rehab and he's trying to pay back everybody that helped him with his

[1:11:27] treatment. >> I don't know.

[1:11:30] » I can tell you just so we have it on record, I

[1:11:34] property had been closed uh

[1:11:38] previously for its

[1:11:41] in uninhabitable conditions. Previous owners were using this rehab. I

[1:11:45] talked to Dr. Stewart at the sanitarium.

[1:11:48] Corrected all of the issues that caused that closure, so we're going to help

[1:11:52] this out. I also asked

[1:11:55] the issues in that commercial zone. He said that he is committed.

[1:11:59] So about anybody else outside of here that

[1:12:02] I could, you know, try to make a kick out of this issue

[1:12:04] with this

[1:12:09] Now, I will tell you it hasn't happened yet.

[1:12:12] Our department of law I know that

[1:12:16] previous rehabilitation place that was there we had law enforcement, fire, and

[1:12:20] EMS calls there on a regular basis. >> But I've only been there once, so I

[1:12:23] I believe it was the US two shoes

[1:12:26] So I I I suspect that uh I could smell more than one vest that

[1:12:32] So I They were in a black minivan.

[1:12:37] » Now, it's us. >> And is he

[1:12:40] » What are you doing in a black minivan, Deacon?

[1:12:46] » What did he say? >> He probably said he

[1:12:49] Is that what he said?

[1:12:52] » As long as they stay on that side of the street, don't come over to my side.

[1:12:54] » Yeah, yeah. >> No.

[1:12:58] It's a prohibition chance.

[1:13:01] » All right. Anybody else on this >> We'll do what we can.

[1:13:04] It's all right. >> I'll see if I can get them moved

[1:13:06] tomorrow.

[1:13:09] » I'm dying to do it.

[1:13:13] » All right. >> He is working back to his CD. He is uh I

[1:13:15] think he's making good progress on 3rd Street. The waterline [clears throat]

[1:13:18] stuff is finished. >> close to finish.

[1:13:23] » I had a few neighbor complaints that we've got to settle. We'll work through

[1:13:26] that.

[1:13:29] I do I'll go let's go back to uh John, are you

[1:13:34] » I want to ask Mr. Dowdy some questions. >> Yeah.

[1:13:37] » Sir, what I mean that place down there in Pennsylvania

[1:13:40] down there. First of all, I mean

[1:13:44] that price that they're talking about, is that

[1:13:47] high And and second part of that was I mean

[1:13:53] are you optimistic that you facilitate a deal to be made into that

[1:14:00] » Well, the 3rd Street is

[1:14:05] pretty high. alluded to it.

[1:14:10] And I

[1:14:12] I couldn't make a deal at that price. What I'm doing, I can't.

[1:14:17] Which Yeah, you can,

[1:14:20] So, it would have to be around the one you know, 175

[1:14:25] which is more of a fair market. fair market. Maybe maybe two and a

[1:14:30] quarter. That's the fair

[1:14:34] range. >> You know, she

[1:14:36] » for that piece of property. >> She said that Rich can't come off an

[1:14:40] offer. >> Yeah.

[1:14:42] » When I talked >> can't

[1:14:46] They're the ones that shot the price. shot the pride

[1:14:48] » [clears throat] >> if they wanted more.

[1:14:51] Now she said they come up and >> offered her

[1:14:55] » It would have been

[1:14:58] » Yeah, they said they wouldn't even >> That's that's

[1:15:01] when you told me that that that was bothersome.

[1:15:04] » Yeah. Is that the place you feel is ready to

[1:15:07] go as like for day care facilities obviously

[1:15:11] if you go the other way you know

[1:15:14] » Yeah, I was I guess >> Yeah, the right

[1:15:15] » If I would take that it exceeds standards

[1:15:19] for purpose

[1:15:22] basically you know

[1:15:28] It's beautiful. I was in it probably

[1:15:35] within the last year. It's ready.

[1:15:38] » Ready today? >> I don't believe it, but I've had six or

[1:15:41] eight women contact me and say they would volunteer

[1:15:45] a couple days a week. They want to pay They used to

[1:15:49] run a day care. >> I have a day care facility cuz she

[1:15:54] and the bottom fell out from under her.

[1:15:57] » No, this is

[1:16:00] » She's willing. >> My phone number

[1:16:03] » We're going to buy the building. It's just uh

[1:16:06] » You don't want to pay 340. >> No, it's you can't make it work.

[1:16:10] I mean, that's like >> And I don't think they want a Richie

[1:16:13] deal for 340. >> take your one

[1:16:15] » 25. This is kind of holding >> Well, and that's why I asked the

[1:16:19] question tonight and I to be fair, that's

[1:16:22] crazy not to write it that an offer. I mean, you should know that as an agent.

[1:16:26] » Well, and I would say this to the five of you.

[1:16:28] » [snorts] >> Hang on.

[1:16:31] » You want to see the answers? >> What? Yeah.

[1:16:36] Hey. >> We need the trailer on Long Street and

[1:16:38] the big big truck off Long Street. I'm out.

[1:16:42] I'm out of town for a now, so >> Okay.

[1:16:53] » I know

[1:17:07] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:17:26] » So

[1:17:29] » The one thing I would say to the

[1:17:33] Because you guys

[1:17:36] you guys are in a position to relatively control what happens

[1:17:42] Because does their purchase agreement say

[1:17:46] Is the the purchase agreement is not contingent upon the zoning change?

[1:17:49] That's likely true at least to what we're hearing.

[1:17:51] But a purchase agreement's effectiveness is only based on someone's willingness

[1:17:55] to sue over it. And is Pace going to go you know,

[1:17:59] squeeze the juice and and go >> But they're already talking about how

[1:18:02] they're strapped for money. >> But I think that the zoning controls

[1:18:07] this whole conversation. >> I don't think they're tied to any of it.

[1:18:10] » I Well, and and I think I think that's probably true. And I will say that

[1:18:15] I've said this privately to a couple of you

[1:18:17] that I think that even if daycare fails, whether it's us or somebody else if you

[1:18:22] guys rezone this I think we'll regret it years from now.

[1:18:26] » Well, I I do I think all of us will have the same idea. If we can't

[1:18:31] get a daycare are we killing a deal and watching it

[1:18:36] rot to the ground. Because

[1:18:39] if nobody is going to use it, that's his way.

[1:18:43] » Well, do >> I believe

[1:18:47] » reconfiguration of everything in there is all

[1:18:51] without tearing it >> What did you say?

[1:18:54] » I was just going to say that they would have the like basis mind is on that

[1:18:59] that

[1:19:01] that >> Yeah.

[1:19:03] » If that is an impossibility they would sell it for something less

[1:19:08] than what I mean they're they're not going to operate it no matter what. So

[1:19:12] great reward

[1:19:15] sale for 300 or quarter million taking that's going to sell for something

[1:19:20] rather than you know uh and if people are living there or doing

[1:19:23] whatever they do with it. >> Would they make an offer?

[1:19:25] » Would you make an offer? >> Even if you weren't going to put daycare

[1:19:28] in there, you could make it where you could make it

[1:19:31] » a residence >> I mean

[1:19:33] » turn into a residence

[1:19:37] » Whether he would or not, I doubt he would.

[1:19:39] » But uh

[1:19:41] No, I mean it I I think the conversation starts at Pace and then whoever there's

[1:19:46] is held to I'll be glad to talk to

[1:19:51] » Well, they have to enrich and can't is not going to give them 340,000

[1:19:56] before they're interested in talking to anybody

[1:19:59] » Yeah, I'm not sure. >> I mean or at least

[1:20:03] Cuz they're not >> They're not

[1:20:05] » They're not going to lower the price yet.

[1:20:06] » to help community >> Well

[1:20:09] » They just up their butt up and took off. >> But I will tell you that

[1:20:13] when I became aware of the Josh, I'm sitting in her phone.

[1:20:18] Um when I became aware of an offer I previously did talk to the president

[1:20:22] of their They said Tuesday he had said

[1:20:26] I seem to remember telling you before you guys were taking a break

[1:20:31] something like private that you would call

[1:20:33] And I said, no. What?

[1:20:37] telling you you stand here sometime ago. I don't know what she

[1:20:40] but I was really really bothered by the fact that

[1:20:43] I felt like they had the and they have clearly have

[1:20:46] the authority to sell it because it's theirs.

[1:20:49] Nobody was thinking about tomorrow or

[1:20:53] or the consideration of the fact that it's been for this year.

[1:20:57] » [clears throat] >> And

[1:21:00] if if somebody told me that the proposed use is going to be something other than

[1:21:05] what we've already talked about, it would maybe my my discussion

[1:21:10] but I am convinced beyond any doubt that reason is not the right answer based on

[1:21:15] what we know.

[1:21:17] I bet that if we get a if we get a bunch of

[1:21:20] members of the of the taxing

[1:21:25] I speak from experience when I sold my building up here and we

[1:21:29] talked about it with you guys, too.

[1:21:32] And that's the problem they had when they did that. We were in that zone. We

[1:21:39] had some zoning in there for a grocery store. Okay?

[1:21:44] And we wanted to change it

[1:21:47] to put apartments in there. But then it cost by the time we got the

[1:21:52] fire we got because you could have it with the grocery but you couldn't have

[1:21:56] it with you couldn't have it with the with

[1:21:58] apartments with with the house. So the time we got that, it was just

[1:22:02] unbelievable and I mean I had an architect, we worked on everywhere we

[1:22:06] could, there was no way we could do that. So then we sold it to the church.

[1:22:11] Our partial came in it cost them

[1:22:14] fortune to get through that. Put it up.

[1:22:17] And then they said, "Well, the other churches don't

[1:22:20] They grandfathered

[1:22:23] So if you've got to be really really careful here, you can't say Well, we're

[1:22:27] going to put a bunch of apartments in there because I'll tell you from my

[1:22:29] experience >> Yeah.

[1:22:30] » And we had a we had a big man right behind you.

[1:22:35] It made our prices a lot fairer than it would be somewhere

[1:22:38] that don't have I don't know what they got down there as far as size.

[1:22:42] I'm going to kind of tell Whatever you decide

[1:22:47] Speaking >> Is there a

[1:22:48] » Any fire suppression in there? >> There is a

[1:22:53] alarm system. Yeah, but there's a

[1:22:57] If the attendance is heat the alarm goes off and calls 911. I do

[1:23:02] not believe that there is actual Frank, listen

[1:23:06] I don't believe that >> He said more than I asked.

[1:23:09] » That's why I said >> I don't think there'd be any more.

[1:23:12] » I can't guarantee I can't guarantee you a state certified

[1:23:17] uh pre-K center. Cuz there is a lot of red

[1:23:21] tape to go through now. What I can guarantee is a privately held day

[1:23:27] and actually

[1:23:32] » She sure made it sound horrible, didn't she?

[1:23:34] » It it well >> I mean

[1:23:36] » But nobody could have burned >> burned that horse.

[1:23:39] » And it's difficult, but you don't have to. If I mean you have to you're going

[1:23:44] to take vouchers. And

[1:23:47] » That's that's child care money that the government had recently got from the

[1:23:50] government state budget committee to get. That's what he's talking about with

[1:23:53] the vouchers. >> Now

[1:23:56] A lot cuz cuz my wife and I talked about this where she was in she's those who

[1:24:00] work in child development and all that. There were some of the rules and

[1:24:03] regulations that Ty talked about that aren't accurate.

[1:24:07] But what he said it depends on what happened.

[1:24:11] And like my I'm trying to give you the best example

[1:24:14] of one you could could think of. >> [clears throat]

[1:24:17] » My son was home.

[1:24:20] I had daycare in her house.

[1:24:23] Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. Five days a week.

[1:24:29] She got money from S S I for for food and stuff like that. But she had to do a

[1:24:33] lot of stuff

[1:24:40] stuff. And that's why C S R C has generally made the statement that

[1:24:44] it's hard for them because they they they say they lose them for

[1:24:48] that. They just divide that stuff inside

[1:24:51] there. Inside their universe.

[1:24:53] But they are state certified. They do a lot of stuff. They get the bathroom.

[1:24:56] They do a lot of stuff. >> Benefits, payroll, everything's

[1:24:59] different with a larger corporation. >> I just feel like

[1:25:15] I I just feel like even if

[1:25:20] I was trying I was trying to call Regions today.

[1:25:23] Regions can't set up an office and they told me everything they said here now

[1:25:27] about arrested and they get

[1:25:31] tossed out of here. That's probably all true.

[1:25:36] But I feel like that if that place becomes migrant

[1:25:39] housing, it's going to go over and get like

[1:25:42] regardless

[1:25:45] Everything they made in here about the current migrants that are

[1:25:48] housed in Regions has

[1:25:51] are true. Because

[1:25:54] as far as I can tell, law enforcement generally interact with 38

[1:25:58] and it's different. It is it's not the same

[1:26:01] thing. >> If I don't put 38 of my

[1:26:04] my family members in one building, there's going to be issues.

[1:26:07] » But that's >> That's 100 square foot per per person.

[1:26:12] One.

[1:26:14] Dorm style, which is I get that.

[1:26:17] But you're not that facility the square footage

[1:26:21] So, you're not calculating kitchen,

[1:26:25] Now, all of a sudden we're 60 60 square feet.

[1:26:29] Now, I can >> Well, they're going to have to have a

[1:26:32] fire suppression and all that. >> I know.

[1:26:35] » And how are you going to fit eight people in there?

[1:26:38] » I I I don't know.

[1:26:41] I I I don't My running hands are so small.

[1:26:45] » And he has no idea how they have eight people

[1:26:48] in a house

[1:26:51] According to the rules

[1:26:54] And he's got to have a fire job. >> It's It's

[1:26:58] » I mean, that's not how it works. >> If that building said

[1:27:03] » And you told me Of course, if he's only allowed so many people, we wouldn't be

[1:27:05] talking about this. And you said it was going to be here and it was uptown, they

[1:27:08] could walk to the highway and all that, maybe.

[1:27:11] That is as far into a residential neighborhood

[1:27:14] as you can get. You need to meet me halfway.

[1:27:18] If I want to Right here, too.

[1:27:21] I passed some single family residences. And they're going to be

[1:27:26] And this is Some of the same issue, but they're

[1:27:28] going to be up and down all day all the time.

[1:27:31] They're going to They're going walk up I mean, you have

[1:27:33] 40 or 30 something people walking back and forth to the grocery every store or

[1:27:36] whatever. They're going to go out there I mean, it's not innocent

[1:27:40] » They will like he's when you think about that

[1:27:44] there's no other room in that place to sleep. And that's like their

[1:27:49] Their their common areas are going to be outside. They have to be.

[1:27:55] They're going to be sleeping enough on the floor.

[1:27:57] If it didn't have to be 100 square

[1:28:01] That's what it is, though. So, because That guy is just a You got to subtract

[1:28:06] out, like you said, the kitchens, the bathrooms, and the

[1:28:09] And and the bunk space, there's just not a lot of

[1:28:13] but yeah >> You're forgetting all that other space.

[1:28:16] » I'm not forgetting. >> Well, I'm not. I'm just saying

[1:28:19] » I watched it. >> You can put 10 and 12

[1:28:21] » What do you have? 35 by the 3800 >> Okay, that's 100

[1:28:25] » 10 >> 3800 like that. And so

[1:28:27] » This is how I calculate >> My whole point is if you use Well, if

[1:28:31] you use the place down for me The place will

[1:28:35] commune after they get done. >> Is that on the front porch?

[1:28:37] » It is not bad. I'll get them on it. She gets the point.

[1:28:41] » I don't know. >> Mhm.

[1:28:42] » Is that probably >> Well, it's nice out when they're when

[1:28:44] those guys are here, we're working. It's It's

[1:28:47] » It's like it is outside right now. >> You know

[1:28:51] » playgrounds like that. >> I mean I I I I I

[1:28:54] » I just feel like it's >> I do.

[1:28:58] I feel like it's the wrong way. >> Now, do I Am I going to sit here and act

[1:29:01] like I got a solution if the daycare fails and

[1:29:03] » Yeah. >> I don't.

[1:29:04] » Well, I mean that guy I left you guys here thinking

[1:29:09] it's very unlikely that a daycare is going to happen there.

[1:29:13] If he sits still for 60 days he has a chance of

[1:29:17] doing what he wants to do. That's the

[1:29:19] » Good thing The next question is I have

[1:29:23] paid. Well, they already have that first year.

[1:29:26] Now, is he going to go after them? Because he has the right to.

[1:29:30] » Well, yes, but if no one's going to let him

[1:29:33] do what he wants to do, why would he want to buy it?

[1:29:35] » Right.

[1:29:39] » But >> And I would find

[1:29:42] part of the zoning >> process requires two additional steps.

[1:29:45] They require public hearings. One is in front of the area planning commission.

[1:29:48] » [snorts] >> Which if you guys have don't formally

[1:29:50] refer to the area planning commission, that doesn't happen yet. And the final

[1:29:53] step is the last thing that ordinance. Which requires a public hearing

[1:29:58] to appear. So, I mean we've not heard from

[1:30:02] » I mean area plans could say no. Area plans could say yes, and then a bunch of

[1:30:06] people come in here and yell at And you guys

[1:30:10] still say no. You guys can say no.

[1:30:14] Um But I'm sorry. From his perspective,

[1:30:18] from her perspective, you know, why does he

[1:30:21] want to pay Drew go to area plans, and why does he want

[1:30:25] to do all that, you know, like And why does he want to stir everybody

[1:30:29] up if if you know now you're not going to

[1:30:32] That's I think that's what I said. He doesn't want to be sold No, but he and

[1:30:35] Drew would just as well rather hear no tonight [music] than in two months.

[1:30:39] » But you know, why in the hell would you pay $341?

[1:30:44] You build that. I don't understand that. And then I'm built

[1:30:47] And when I asked him I didn't offer him that. I didn't offer him that. You

[1:30:51] didn't tell him How many thousand square foot?

[1:30:58] It's all 30,000 square foot. What do you What do you do with this one?

[1:31:02] 30 Yeah, 30,000 square

[1:31:04] 30 Between 30 and 35, called You can make appointments out of it like you

[1:31:08] would a doctor. I mean, it's just a basic It's your

[1:31:11] building. This is an open building.

[1:31:13] But I've got It's not really large really.

[1:31:16] Cuz it's got hallways and stuff to get to the classrooms and I don't mean it's

[1:31:19] not as open as you think it is. But why is it not like your new city

[1:31:23] hall? 70 October Look, it's 70. It's double that.

[1:31:29] Which one would you put? 30 or would you put 35? No, it's 30. I don't know.

[1:31:33] That's

[1:31:36] We got some I'd say 30 38 if anything.

[1:31:40] in a building. And this issue I said yes.

[1:31:44] No matter what they are. There's a reason that you put multi-story,

[1:31:48] multi-unit housing together in the same zone area. Like if you go to

[1:31:51] Indianapolis, the reason all those things are together like that. You don't

[1:31:54] put them in You don't drop them in the middle of a

[1:31:56] subdivision out there by the lake somewhere.

[1:32:01] Thank you. I'll report back on that comment. I'll

[1:32:04] be here. >> Yeah, I hate to say this but my health

[1:32:06] is not going to be able to let me stay in this long if we keep on this

[1:32:10] same thing. >> Have you done everything else?

[1:32:12] » Yeah, I did. >> That's That's what I'm wondering.

[1:32:15] Is there anything else we can handle a little bit quicker so you can go back to

[1:32:19] that if you'd like? >> The stand pipe.

[1:32:22] » Have you heard back from the auctioneer? >> Still no.

[1:32:25] » They thought they had them. >> Still no.

[1:32:27] » Uh so John Craig on our meeting already had mentioned it.

[1:32:31] I talked to him. I have not heard back back from him. He

[1:32:34] told me if I called him back really quick he would have made it. If I don't

[1:32:37] he didn't. I need to follow up on I haven't forgot. I also haven't forgot

[1:32:42] about city hall. Uh the consultant needed

[1:32:45] some more up-to-date numbers from Don which which I have. We can continue this

[1:32:49] stuff. I have to have the authorized maximum borrowing amount.

[1:32:53] We want to make sure we have that number. The numbers are close.

[1:32:56] Uh Larry is showing that it's the birth of it is wildly because cost

[1:33:01] looks stupid right now. He's He's got it between the main and

[1:33:06] then two three three the worst. That's not That's

[1:33:10] everything. That's the That's all the lawyer, the the city work and all that.

[1:33:13] That I mean that's the whole issue. So Uh

[1:33:16] I haven't forgot what I wanted to say. >> Mayor, I I I got to interject and tell

[1:33:19] you I know I know a lot of

[1:33:23] positive feedback about people who want to take this project on without the

[1:33:26] public. People I talked to

[1:33:29] text messages and stuff I get people I don't know who you're here talking to

[1:33:33] but they're not happy. I'll say I see both sides.

[1:33:38] Um

[1:33:41] I understand that this building obviously has issues.

[1:33:46] I understand that a handicapped person you know, wheelchair for example,

[1:33:50] can't go to the restroom here if they come to one of the meetings.

[1:33:54] I understand that something else that

[1:33:58] I mean, what's this going to do to people's property?

[1:34:01] » That's nothing. Because we're not going to use it as a

[1:34:04] » And I I know you had an option there was an option in that that email you sent.

[1:34:08] And but I hadn't directly asked you at that

[1:34:11] specific direction. >> We're looking at this as a all in all

[1:34:13] revenue pledge which means we can use any revenue

[1:34:17] available to the city whether it's income tax, existing property tax or

[1:34:19] there's there is not going to be a new property

[1:34:22] tax levied on this to pay for it. We got to drive up to the solid waste

[1:34:27] We could look at being able to pledge any our revenue making

[1:34:30] So the property tax thing is a non-issue now. It really wasn't an issue to begin

[1:34:33] with but obviously we hadn't talked talked about

[1:34:36] it about that. And really even before that Donnie when

[1:34:39] we were talking about the property tax before a bunch of people weren't going

[1:34:42] to see an increase anyway because there are tax caps. So this idea that folks

[1:34:46] were going to see some outrageous increase in property tax wasn't true.

[1:34:49] » Well, there's a lot of the

[1:34:51] the propaganda machine out here. as well. But I'm I'm saying that

[1:34:56] and and those that may be partaking in it and you know

[1:35:01] but I didn't we hadn't discussed directly discussed with me that that the

[1:35:07] option you were looking to go go through what you just said.

[1:35:10] » the cleanest and the easiest Yeah, that's right.

[1:35:13] » the cleanest and the Well, I'm glad to know that's what

[1:35:17] you're thinking. >> May it's still not that that much of a

[1:35:19] building. >> I don't disagree with any of that.

[1:35:21] » Yeah, yeah, totally. >> Well, that's what

[1:35:25] » What are you going to have when you get done with this?

[1:35:29] » That's what George I mean if you can take care of it as

[1:35:32] soon as we take care of it as soon as we Canada as the next our next right step.

[1:35:35] You can build a half >> They're going to give you 130 for wood

[1:35:39] for free. >> Why is it that

[1:35:41] » costly? Yeah, it's somewhere between $170 and

[1:35:45] $200 a square foot for commercial finished space.

[1:35:51] » I mean you You know

[1:35:55] You know something that I don't? Say it now.

[1:36:13] And they charge you to tell you that.

[1:36:27] Hold on.

[1:36:29] So it's So it's Yeah.

[1:36:39] The times four, ain't that 800,000? And I'm I mean, you put a lot of

[1:36:43] cabinets and cooking stuff in the house. I don't understand this is a

[1:36:52] I mean, it looks to me

[1:36:55] 2,000 square foot house, you can have this and you got

[1:36:59] walls and stuff in the house 200,000, right? For 2,000 square feet.

[1:37:06] So How do you know that

[1:37:12] You can do it. You just sold one.

[1:37:18] Mayor, can you say you had

[1:37:23] Uh so I've got to go back to the RDC next month to see what they're going to

[1:37:26] do.

[1:37:40] You You know, like but I mean, that's

[1:37:43] That number would be a million. Commercial building, I think, you know,

[1:37:47] a million and a half stuck in my head that

[1:37:50] That seemed like he built a lot of buildings.

[1:37:53] » Yeah. >> Then he

[1:37:55] come up with 2 million tonight like it ain't nothing.

[1:37:57] » Well, some of that he's Some of that's got figured in for Cyborg.

[1:38:01] » The >> The consultant and bond counsel

[1:38:03] » That is >> Look at Look at Look at what the

[1:38:05] Look at what we wouldn't have in their place.

[1:38:07] » There is a smaller than what you're talking of.

[1:38:09] » Yeah, they were over a million in that one.

[1:38:11] » They were. >> And they paid the hell out of it sitting

[1:38:13] there 3 years.

[1:38:16] » Yeah, yeah. >> They was up on the roof and not drop

[1:38:18] them You ever seen anything like

[1:38:23] » So, you're you're talking about something that

[1:38:26] through existing money

[1:38:28] » Yes. >> Which would

[1:38:29] » cut that into any matching grants we may get.

[1:38:32] » Oh.

[1:38:35] If I don't want to I don't want it to a point where we roads forget cutting into

[1:38:40] East 4th Street down here. That's going to be some money.

[1:38:44] I don't want to ruin that ability. Right now, we're in good financial shape.

[1:38:48] We can handle whatever comes up. We can accept any grant that we can

[1:38:56] be awarded. Use matching

[1:38:59] I don't want to give all that up.

[1:39:02] » I'll just second that.

[1:39:06] Um maybe we look at it and I don't know, maybe

[1:39:10] Is anybody talking about Grapevine Crossing?

[1:39:13] » [laughter] >> That's why you laugh.

[1:39:15] » But that's >> I I don't know if

[1:39:17] » We need that. We need a >> I don't know if I want City Hall to be

[1:39:19] in a barn. >> Huh?

[1:39:20] » You guys want City Hall to be in a barn? >> A barn would make most of them happy.

[1:39:25] » Yeah. >> I mean, Wylie's in a barn. Wylie's in a

[1:39:27] big barn, I mean. >> No, but that's what you're having now.

[1:39:31] » No, it's a nice place for 300,000. >> Huh?

[1:39:35] » If you're having a big barn >> for 300,000.

[1:39:38] » The problem with this process is the fact that all the

[1:39:42] Like the reason the street department was easy we had the cash, we had side

[1:39:45] and didn't have to talk to the >> It's all those lawyers around by us.

[1:39:47] » The problem is having having to borrow the money to finance the thing.

[1:39:50] » That's where the surprises are. >> Cuz if you get rid of the bond counsel

[1:39:54] and get rid of the consultant and all those people, like I just saved a

[1:39:56] million dollars and I didn't have to try.

[1:39:59] » A half a million? >> Are you Are you exaggerating right here?

[1:40:01] » No. >> Okay.

[1:40:03] » No. Cuz you're talking about

[1:40:06] We All and I'm talking about those soft costs.

[1:40:09] » The the >> debt debt issuance

[1:40:11] » which >> fee to have the debt issue like 30,000

[1:40:13] dollars. >> The bond counsel

[1:40:15] » uh which is probably another 15 or 20, the consultant

[1:40:18] » It's probably It's more than that on the front end.

[1:40:20] » It's probably more than that. Let me just go get the sheet.

[1:40:24] I'm kind of doing this off my off of what I remember.

[1:40:32] He charged you a lot of your money in there.

[1:40:35] » Yeah. >> The only one here he had for me

[1:40:40] He's got side work on here between >> between 135 and 150. I don't know that

[1:40:44] necessarily means that. >> But he had the general work description

[1:40:47] » between a million seven and 2.1, which is a pretty wide which is a pretty wide

[1:40:52] berth. >> I need that job.

[1:40:55] » State permitting fee between 1,800 He's also got a 35,000 dollar

[1:41:00] contingency in here. The architect and engineering fees

[1:41:04] between seven eight I got him to 50. that difference for his bond counsel

[1:41:09] that salt water additional legal fee of 35 and 40 4,500,

[1:41:14] renderings uh and then that gets you between a

[1:41:17] million nine and

[1:41:21] » Yeah. >> You're really exaggerating right here.

[1:41:23] » A half a million dollars. >> But if we don't have

[1:41:25] » to issue any debt >> Yeah.

[1:41:28] » That's what it is. Like if I had If I had a million five cash

[1:41:31] » cash today, we wouldn't have to talk to anybody. We could do it tomorrow. It's

[1:41:34] because we have to borrow the money. That's what the problem is. And the

[1:41:38] statute required a specific process for us to borrow money.

[1:41:52] » And to your point, I don't disagree with what you're saying. Because I've I've

[1:41:56] run that through my through my head a few I don't disagree

[1:41:59] with that.

[1:42:08] Yeah, and it will happen.

[1:42:12] I don't want to give up your your concerns.

[1:42:21] I'm not I'm not disagreeing

[1:42:28] » [clears throat]

[1:42:34] » But I I think those are all all It is No, you're you're not lying, but

[1:42:39] it is tough, which

[1:42:44] using an example

[1:42:52] » [laughter] >> That's a That's a great example.

[1:43:16] I don't want to give up on it, but I also I get it.

[1:43:20] Why? >> I'm not I'm not

[1:43:24] » 1.9 2.2 and a half tasted better

[1:43:29] Yeah, it does. And I don't want to look at Larry and

[1:43:33] say I know what he's talking about. He's been

[1:43:35] » I'm sure he does.

[1:44:07] » Good luck.

[1:44:27] » [laughter] >> Yo.

[1:44:30] » That's all that thing's good for.

[1:45:05] » I remember when he helped us win a sectional, buddy.

[1:45:13] » Yes, sir. Good old Good old days.

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