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[3:54] » Mhm.

[6:29] » 45, I'm calling the July 14th, 2026

[6:35] council meeting to order.

[6:38] Um, all council members are present with

[6:40] the exception of

[6:42] um, council member Hankins.

[6:45] Um, the next up on our agenda is the

[6:47] public forum. Is anybody here to speak

[6:49] during the public forum?

[6:52] Seeing none, we'll move on to the

[6:54] approval of the agenda.

[6:58] Were there any additions?

[7:01] » Aaron Council, you should have gotten

[7:03] um, electronically

[7:05] uh, a proposed amended agenda that has

[7:08] an additional item under city business

[7:10] new, which is the Home Beach project.

[7:12] And then under

[7:14] essentially your consent agenda number

[7:16] 13, which is the

[7:19] updated Bolton Mink contract. It's my

[7:21] understanding too that the assistant

[7:24] clerk presented some additional claims

[7:26] for payment that didn't make the cutoff.

[7:28] And so I'd like to add that to your

[7:30] agenda as number 14. There should be a

[7:32] sheet in front of you that uh, shows you

[7:34] the list of those claims.

[7:36] And the checks have been prepared for

[7:38] that. And whatever else anyone else

[7:40] wants to add to the agenda?

[7:46] » So you said um

[7:49] 13 was the Bolton Mink?

[7:51] >> 13 is Bolton and Mink uh contract, which

[7:54] you should have on that digital

[7:56] >> I just wanted to make sure I get it

[7:57] right. And then 14?

[7:58] >> 14, yeah, would be I just got it

[8:00] captioned as additional claims payments

[8:02] after deadline.

[8:03] >> Okay.

[8:08] All right, with those two additions

[8:11] or three additions, could I have a

[8:13] motion to approve the agenda?

[8:15] >> So moved.

[8:16] >> Seconded, Kathy.

[8:18] >> All in favor?

[8:19] >> I.

[8:20] >> Opposed?

[8:21] Hearing none, motion passes.

[8:23] Um

[8:26] City business unfinished.

[8:29] Um the first thing up we have is a

[8:31] second reading of ordinance 2026-01,

[8:35] which is repealing section 605.021

[8:39] regarding canine permitting.

[8:43] Were there any questions about the

[8:45] proposed language?

[8:49] » And just to bring everyone up to speed,

[8:51] this is of course striking all of the

[8:52] licensing language for dogs in the city.

[8:55] And at the request of council member

[8:57] Hankins,

[8:58] uh he wanted to see something in there

[9:00] reminding people that even though

[9:01] licensing is not required, um obviously

[9:04] having vaccinations is. So that's just

[9:07] is what it is. I don't think it's going

[9:09] to be

[9:10] >> Mhm. Matter didn't need it.

[9:13] >> one of those things that if it comes up

[9:14] and the dog is not, then at least you've

[9:16] called it out as as a criminal offense

[9:19] in the state city, so

[9:23] » Could I have a motion, please, to adopt

[9:24] the final language?

[9:26] >> Do we need a public hearing or no?

[9:29] >> So moved.

[9:31] >> Kathy, can I have a second?

[9:32] >> Second.

[9:33] >> All in favor?

[9:34] >> I.

[9:35] >> Opposed? Hearing none, motion passes.

[9:38] And could I have a vote, please, or a

[9:41] motion to approve the summary

[9:42] publication, then?

[9:45] >> So moved.

[9:47] >> Second.

[9:48] >> All in favor?

[9:49] >> Aye.

[9:50] >> Opposed? Hearing none, motion passes.

[9:53] We're on to city business.

[9:55] Um

[9:56] we have

[9:57] a discussion about Elm Beach and the

[10:00] grant that we've applied for. We have

[10:03] Mary Sue and Amy Hewlett here from the

[10:05] Parks Committee. Would you guys like to

[10:08] come up to the podium?

[10:14] » Uh good evening again, y'all.

[10:17] I'm Mary Sue Simmons, 418 Birchwood

[10:20] Court.

[10:21] >> Amy Hewlett, 608 Wildwood Avenue.

[10:25] >> We're both on the Parks Committee, and

[10:27] Amy's my sidekick tonight and my good

[10:29] ally on the committee. And very valuable

[10:32] to Birchwood because she knows so much

[10:34] about engineering and infrastructure.

[10:37] >> Right.

[10:38] >> [laughter]

[10:39] >> Um I'm here to say that

[10:42] well

[10:43] I I maybe Marcus

[10:45] informed you all that the Ty Smith's

[10:48] project for which we have the grant has

[10:50] been delayed because of the sewer

[10:55] pictures and all that kind of work that

[10:57] you're doing with the storms the storm

[10:59] water sewers in that area where we were

[11:01] going to do some work. So he doesn't

[11:04] know exactly

[11:05] when the um

[11:07] Minnesota landscape

[11:10] group will get to work, but he suspects

[11:12] it will be

[11:14] Thank you. Um

[11:16] later on, nearer to fall, where it

[11:19] probably would be better to be doing

[11:20] rain gardens and plantings at at better

[11:25] than certainly now. Um in the meantime,

[11:27] we've been working as you all know, on

[11:30] getting a grant to get Elm Easement

[11:32] improved.

[11:34] The runoff down the whole Easement on

[11:36] the shoreline, which is

[11:38] um

[11:40] pretty

[11:41] eroded and it's missing it's messed up

[11:43] there and then we have two adjoining

[11:45] property owners who live up up on hills.

[11:48] So they got a lot of water coming down

[11:49] their way and there's a lot of water

[11:51] that runs down Elm and it and it's not

[11:54] been maintained. So there's a a drainage

[11:57] ditch that could probably help the

[11:58] situation a little bit, but needs to be

[12:00] cleaned out. We were applying for a

[12:02] grant

[12:04] to have that done and Lori Tellus said

[12:06] there was a grant for it. I think we

[12:07] said to you all

[12:09] about $20,000 to take care of that.

[12:13] At which the city would have to pay 50%

[12:15] so 10 and 10. But in the meantime

[12:20] in the informal conversations about

[12:22] going forward with that grant, we were

[12:23] stopped and denied because

[12:26] the stormwater retrofit plan that the

[12:30] county and Rice Creek have calls for a

[12:33] wider project there. They want

[12:36] stormwater they want the lake quality to

[12:38] be affected. So they said you have got

[12:40] to widen this project to the flagpole

[12:43] where the water comes down off of that

[12:46] I misspelled it's the center median the

[12:49] green space. The water's rushing down

[12:51] there and it's making a turn and it's

[12:53] going down Elm and perhaps the volume of

[12:56] water that's doing that is even more

[12:58] than the volume of water it's taking

[13:00] from the flat street or the hillsides.

[13:03] So

[13:05] in order to get that grant

[13:07] we have to start early conversations cuz

[13:10] it takes a lot of pre-work to get a

[13:12] grant

[13:13] with an eye towards actually applying in

[13:15] December, which means they need support

[13:18] from you all and from us

[13:20] to get the grant so that we can start

[13:23] the initial conversations formally with

[13:25] Rice Creek and Washington Conservation.

[13:28] So, that's why I'm here tonight and I

[13:31] One thing I would say is that in our

[13:33] Parks Committee

[13:35] both adjoining property owners and

[13:36] members of the committee suggested that

[13:38] it would be probably a better idea to to do that extra stuff just because we

[13:44] want to fix the situation, not put a

[13:46] band-aid on a on a problem.

[13:50] In 2017 when that stormwater report was

[13:54] done asking Birchwood to do something

[13:56] about exactly what we want to do

[13:59] the quote the estimate was $10,000.

[14:01] Well, I've since talked with um

[14:05] Ashley Peddle at Washington County and

[14:07] she said

[14:09] the whole project

[14:11] since that time the whole project now

[14:12] will be much more expensive. So, on your

[14:14] if you have a copy of the bullet points

[14:17] I have um

[14:20] 30,000 in there and that's

[14:22] they expect now that it would all cost

[14:24] about 10,000 more. So, that's a $40,000

[14:28] um cost share. They pay pay half and we

[14:31] would pay half.

[14:33] So, it makes a lot of it makes a lot of

[14:36] sense. Um it's going to be more work,

[14:38] but it's more sure

[14:40] that we will get the grant.

[14:42] But, I also understand that we're not a

[14:45] rich village

[14:47] and jumping up 10 5 $10,000 is a big is

[14:50] a big ask. So,

[14:53] even with that being said I I guess I

[14:55] would like to get some sense from you

[14:57] all if you'd be willing to support

[14:59] opening a conversation with Rice Creek

[15:02] and Washington

[15:03] County

[15:04] with an eye towards getting the

[15:05] stormwater grant.

[15:08] >> Do you got anything else?

[15:12] » Thank you.

[15:14] Um does anybody have any comments?

[15:17] Questions?

[15:19] >> Um from a Parks Committee standpoint,

[15:22] you know, as as we were walked through

[15:24] this, it seemed to make sense. I can't

[15:26] remember what our conversation was in

[15:28] terms of using some of the parks budget

[15:33] to

[15:34] offset, but I believe that there was a

[15:37] conversation about this. There was. Yes.

[15:40] >> Yeah, I think there was general consent

[15:42] where there was general consensus,

[15:43] Bridget, that we would do that.

[15:46] >> Yeah.

[15:47] So, when we say the city would be

[15:49] matching, it's the parks

[15:51] budget that would be matching.

[15:52] >> Well, the parks budget would match the

[15:54] 20,000 or just a portion of the 20,000?

[15:59] Are you not sure about that yet?

[16:01] >> Yeah.

[16:01] I'm not sure we committed to that,

[16:03] but I thought we just said if it if we

[16:05] could get for another another 10,000,

[16:07] the parks committee would consider

[16:09] taking that out of our budget.

[16:11] >> Okay.

[16:12] >> But but I'm also trying to be respectful

[16:13] to

[16:15] the budget and the overall financial

[16:18] welfare of the village, but uh this is

[16:20] an important project. It's been on the

[16:22] agenda for a long time.

[16:25] >> Yeah, I agree. Um I know the dock

[16:27] association has had this on their their

[16:29] radar for a while. That easement is in

[16:31] bad shape.

[16:32] >> Yeah.

[16:33] >> Also,

[16:35] this project ties in perfectly with the

[16:38] issues we're having in the city with the

[16:39] storm water already.

[16:41] And so,

[16:42] my view is that

[16:45] that's a cost share, 10 from the parks

[16:48] budget and 10 from the city's budget for

[16:50] $40,000 worth of work, that seems like a

[16:53] good deal to me, and that's something

[16:55] that's very important

[16:56] for our city, so that's my feeling on

[16:59] it.

[17:00] >> Okay.

[17:00] >> Mhm.

[17:00] >> Kathy?

[17:01] >> Um with this new grant that we're

[17:03] looking at, do you happen to know the

[17:05] time frame of when they would need us to

[17:07] do the payments or when it would be a

[17:09] payout or anything like that yet?

[17:11] >> No, we have until December to make the

[17:13] formal application, and then the process

[17:16] itself takes over. We don't have any

[17:18] control over that, but the project would

[17:20] have to be done in 20 in [clears throat] 2027.

[17:25] >> Oh, it has to be

[17:26] >> We get it in by this this December and

[17:27] then it has to be done the following

[17:29] year.

[17:29] >> would need to be in

[17:30] >> But I don't know anything about what

[17:31] would happen as a result of who pays

[17:34] when and what.

[17:35] >> Um on our current grant for Ty Schmidt,

[17:41] I believe we had to front it and they

[17:43] were paying us back.

[17:45] >> Yes. Yes.

[17:46] >> know.

[17:47] >> We pay up front.

[17:48] >> Yeah. Yes.

[17:49] Uh okay.

[17:49] >> a reimbursement.

[17:51] >> Okay.

[17:51] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[17:52] >> So, I believe that's likely going to be

[17:54] the case here. So, we just have to

[17:56] >> I think so.

[17:56] >> Okay. Sure for that. Okay.

[17:58] Um [snorts] and then I know you had

[18:00] mentioned the Ty Schmidt one. Can you

[18:02] confirm with Marcus if they're going to

[18:03] be done before the grant time frame?

[18:08] >> Hopefully.

[18:09] >> If If they can't do it during then we

[18:11] lose all our money. So, that's very

[18:13] important that they finish it by that

[18:14] date.

[18:15] >> I do recall we asked Lori Tella that

[18:17] question, what happens if we don't make

[18:18] it and she said you file for an

[18:20] extension.

[18:21] >> Oh, okay.

[18:22] That sounds good.

[18:24] Uh

[18:25] I I agree since we're already looking at

[18:27] storm sewers and other that it would

[18:29] make sense to knock out a portion of

[18:31] that with

[18:32] this

[18:33] >> Mhm.

[18:35] » Councilmember Isley?

[18:37] >> I like free money.

[18:39] Whenever we have the opportunity to get

[18:40] it, I think we should get it.

[18:42] >> And it's a worthy project.

[18:44] >> Worthy project.

[18:44] >> We sure need a lot of storm water work

[18:47] in the city, so.

[18:49] Thank you for doing that. Um would you

[18:50] like a vote?

[18:52] Count

[18:53] >> No. I I was surprised I asked her asked

[18:55] her what in what form do you need this?

[18:57] And she said, "Just if you tell you

[19:00] call me tomorrow and tell me what the

[19:02] consensus was."

[19:03] >> Okay.

[19:03] >> So, we've got two forms of support now.

[19:05] That's all she's looking for. She's not

[19:07] looking for commitment.

[19:08] >> Okay.

[19:09] >> All right.

[19:09] >> Oh, wonderful.

[19:10] >> Do you want to motion anyway or

[19:13] >> Oh, I love motions, but

[19:16] Why don't you make one?

[19:18] >> [laughter]

[19:19] >> We have to be careful we don't sell.

[19:20] >> I move

[19:21] to

[19:24] uh

[19:24] >> Support.

[19:25] thank you. Support the Parks

[19:27] Committee pursuing a grant for the

[19:31] L easement.

[19:34] And Mary Sue's the best.

[19:35] >> Second.

[19:37] >> [laughter]

[19:38] >> All in favor?

[19:39] >> Aye.

[19:40] >> Opposed?

[19:41] Hearing none, motion passes. Thank you

[19:44] again for all your work.

[19:45] >> both.

[19:46] >> Parks Committee is awesome.

[19:48] >> It's so good to give back to the

[19:49] community because it's high time we did

[19:51] something about all this water.

[19:54] >> Agreed.

[19:56] Okay. Um so that was the extent of our

[20:00] new city business. We're on to the

[20:02] consent agenda.

[20:04] >> Madam Mayor, before it gets considered,

[20:06] I think we probably should have pulled

[20:08] off number five.

[20:11] >> Right.

[20:12] I was going to ask if anybody has any

[20:13] additions or subtractions for the

[20:15] consent agenda.

[20:19] If not, um number five

[20:22] is clerk engagement agreement. I um

[20:27] Council member Isley and I have been

[20:28] working on

[20:30] contracts for our city administrator and

[20:35] in addition

[20:36] the city attorney.

[20:39] And

[20:41] a conflict of roles policy.

[20:44] So, you have that on your your table in

[20:46] front of you and I know nobody has a

[20:48] chance has had a chance to look at it

[20:50] yet. So, if you would just maybe within

[20:53] the next month go through it. If you

[20:54] have any suggestions or additions,

[20:57] deletions, um let us know

[20:59] and we'll present

[21:02] this formally at next month's meeting.

[21:04] >> And

[21:05] >> in all transparency, Alan hasn't even

[21:07] had a chance to look at it yet, so um

[21:10] we're not ready to go with that.

[21:12] >> Mhm. And to the extent that you're

[21:14] pulling number five, would you like all

[21:17] of those on consent or would you like

[21:19] them somewhere else on the agenda for

[21:20] August?

[21:23] » Um that can be on consent for August.

[21:26] >> You don't think anyone's going to want

[21:27] to talk about them?

[21:28] >> [clears throat]

[21:28] >> If they do, they can pull it.

[21:30] >> Then I'll put them on consent.

[21:31] >> Okay.

[21:33] Is there anything else on the consent

[21:34] agenda any of you would like pulled?

[21:37] >> Did you say we were updating the June

[21:39] claims

[21:41] uh documents here to match that?

[21:44] So do we need to pull that one because

[21:46] the amount is different?

[21:47] >> It's just extra.

[21:49] >> Okay.

[21:49] >> So the minutes will reflect whatever

[21:51] that was. So these are

[21:53] I haven't even had a chance to review

[21:55] all of the claims. It was something that

[21:56] was prepared

[21:58] with the checks by

[22:00] >> Mhm. Marsha and Teresa.

[22:02] >> Not even Marsha. I think it was another

[22:05] 52,142.

[22:07] That's what the record will reflect just

[22:08] as additional ones.

[22:10] >> That and an additional thousand or so.

[22:12] >> Mhm. Okay.

[22:14] I'm going to pull those out of here the

[22:15] consent agenda just cuz it's different

[22:17] because it'll be listed differently on

[22:19] that.

[22:20] Okay.

[22:22] Anything else?

[22:25] Okay.

[22:27] Um with number five removed and number

[22:32] three

[22:32] >> Nine. 14.

[22:35] >> 14.

[22:35] >> Are you pulling the original claims,

[22:37] Cathy?

[22:37] >> I was pulling the original because we've

[22:39] changed it.

[22:40] >> Okay.

[22:41] >> So number

[22:41] >> Nine.

[22:42] >> Okay.

[22:42] >> So that would be

[22:45] >> Nine.

[22:45] >> Number nine.

[22:46] >> Yep.

[22:47] >> Number nine.

[22:48] >> Yes.

[22:48] >> Number nine.

[22:49] With number nine and number

[22:50] five pulled, could I have a motion,

[22:53] please, to accept the consent agenda?

[22:56] >> So moved.

[22:58] >> Uh second.

[22:59] >> Second.

[23:01] >> All in favor?

[23:02] >> Aye.

[23:03] >> Opposed? Hearing none, motion passes.

[23:06] So, with number nine, the

[23:10] original claims report being pulled,

[23:12] that's not include that doesn't need to

[23:13] be included, correct? Because we have

[23:16] um

[23:16] >> Number 14.

[23:17] that covers everything then.

[23:21] Claims for the month.

[23:24] >> I'm going to assume that covers all of

[23:26] the

[23:27] >> All of it.

[23:27] >> including number nine.

[23:28] >> Correct.

[23:29] >> we pass 14, if we have a problem, we'll

[23:31] correct it when we come back.

[23:32] >> Okay.

[23:33] So, 14 we did just pass, right?

[23:35] >> Yes.

[23:36] >> 14's been added, yep.

[23:37] >> Yep.

[23:37] >> As opposed to replacing.

[23:39] >> And that was the latest claims.

[23:40] >> that I signed.

[23:41] >> That's the one we signed, yep. The one

[23:43] with the additional claims in it.

[23:44] >> Mhm.

[23:45] >> Okay, well, that's the extent of our um

[23:48] business. Announcements?

[23:51] >> Um Mayor and Council, it's just the

[23:53] usual sheriff's report. And as uh you're

[23:57] aware, the televising report, if you

[23:59] want to call it that is in, which is

[24:00] really just a series of video of all of

[24:03] the facilities that the city has. Uh

[24:05] it's available on electronic media, and

[24:07] basically in print format, just screen

[24:09] captures in two three-ring binders

[24:12] downstairs. And so, public's welcome to

[24:14] come and check them out. Um if they want

[24:16] to take it home for viewing, you know,

[24:18] on a big screen, uh we can get that

[24:20] digital media, you know, copied for

[24:22] anyone who wants to see it. Um so, it's

[24:25] bringing in some ways, and uh I'm not

[24:27] really surprising in many ways.

[24:29] >> Does it have a

[24:30] >> than others, but some parts are worse

[24:32] than others.

[24:33] >> Does it have it uh delineated out by

[24:35] address so you can look up your own and

[24:37] see how you're doing?

[24:38] >> I I spoke with Marcus about that.

[24:40] >> Good.

[24:40] >> Um he said it would take They don't They

[24:43] did not do that. Nelson Sanitation did

[24:45] not do that.

[24:46] >> Oh, okay.

[24:46] >> And it would take a

[24:47] >> Like a extensive

[24:48] >> extensive amount of work to pull the

[24:50] addresses, but you have the general If

[24:52] you live in that section of the street,

[24:55] >> Okay.

[24:55] >> then you should go and

[24:57] >> Unless there's a really amazing one. you

[25:00] Right. You're going to assume that it's

[25:02] one of the ones that's not really

[25:03] amazing, I imagine.

[25:04] >> Yes. And so

[25:05] >> Yeah, it's generally organized by

[25:07] segment. Otherwise, it'd be just a

[25:08] stream of consciousness and sewer, so

[25:11] yeah.

[25:11] >> All right. So, what we had to

[25:13] >> be watching.

[25:14] >> Yeah, so what we had discussed is if you

[25:16] find your address in that segment, it

[25:18] might be wise to have someone come out

[25:20] and check your connection.

[25:22] >> And the pictures are in the binder

[25:24] anyway.

[25:24] >> Yep.

[25:25] >> Okay.

[25:26] >> And as long as we're doing

[25:27] announcements, we are having on July

[25:30] 20th

[25:32] um from 6:45 to 8:00, this space will be

[25:35] available with full-size pictures of the

[25:38] televising along with maps. So,

[25:42] residents can come in and see if they're

[25:43] affected by the roots in their service

[25:47] lines, and they can also observe all the

[25:50] other pictures what's going on with both

[25:53] our storm water and sanitary systems.

[25:56] So, we invite all our residents to come

[25:58] out and check it out.

[26:00] >> So, here's my question. It's a really

[26:02] basic question.

[26:04] I assume we're going to take action on

[26:06] all of these things.

[26:07] Do we have a prioritization, and do we

[26:10] have a time frame for fixing all of this

[26:12] stuff? My guess is we'll get that

[26:14] question on Monday.

[26:17] >> Um well, I can just This is such in the

[26:20] early stages, but we have discussed as a

[26:24] council that um

[26:27] the storm water pipe that is on

[26:28] Birchwood Ave.

[26:30] That's needs to be replaced.

[26:32] >> Yes.

[26:32] >> Marcus just um very quickly gave me a

[26:36] like a little quote on what that would

[26:38] cost just to replace that one

[26:41] pipe.

[26:42] >> Mhm.

[26:42] >> And it's 140,000,

[26:44] which is our entire roads budget for the

[26:46] year.

[26:47] And that's not including paving.

[26:50] It's not including anything aside from

[26:53] digging the pipe up, putting the new

[26:55] catch basins in, and putting the pipe

[26:56] back in.

[26:58] So, no.

[27:00] We don't

[27:00] >> How long is that run? Like

[27:03] >> I don't

[27:04] know how long.

[27:05] >> footage length as far as

[27:06] >> No.

[27:07] >> Well, that fix, just so everyone's

[27:09] clear, would actually run the

[27:12] effluent or the the caught water

[27:15] through the property and out as opposed

[27:17] to what's happening now, which is just

[27:19] basically dumping it into the middle of

[27:20] the backyard.

[27:22] >> Oh, so it's going under that

[27:24] >> of that lot there, which is quite deep,

[27:28] but it would run it then out into Lost

[27:29] Lake or into the Lost Lake complex.

[27:32] >> So, also, um, if any of our residents

[27:35] are watching, you will be receiving a

[27:37] letter this week that kind of summarizes

[27:40] the report and invites you to the

[27:44] It's just an informational meeting on

[27:45] the 20th.

[27:48] What were we just talking about?

[27:49] >> [laughter]

[27:49] >> I just lost my train of thought.

[27:51] >> sewer,

[27:52] Birchwood Avenue.

[27:54] >> I don't know.

[27:55] >> Well, realistically, it's just about

[27:56] showing up what we found out.

[27:58] >> Yeah. Oh, I know what it was. Um, and in

[28:00] that letter as well, it's an invitation

[28:03] to join a focus group. So,

[28:05] citizens can discuss where we're going

[28:07] next because

[28:10] This isn't expensive. These are all

[28:11] expensive fixes, and without additional

[28:14] funding, there's no way we can be fixing

[28:16] roads and taking care of our storm water

[28:18] problems at the same time.

[28:21] So, we just I don't I don't know what the answer is right now.

[28:25] >> So, will we be able to price all these fixes

[28:30] so that we know like if if we've got 10

[28:32] fixes and they're each $140,000?

[28:35] >> Right.

[28:36] >> So, it seems like we need

[28:38] to have pricing on all of these so that

[28:41] the focus and input groups would be able

[28:44] to say, "Do this one first.

[28:46] >> Mhm.

[28:46] >> Don't do this one, etc. So, is Marcus

[28:49] going to price them all?

[28:50] >> I mean, we can ask him to do that.

[28:52] >> I mean, I think we have to, right?

[28:53] >> My My one of my priorities is Birchwood

[28:57] Avenue, just because we've already

[28:59] messed up the road again to put those

[29:01] gas lines in.

[29:03] >> Yeah.

[29:04] >> And it really does need to be paved, but

[29:06] that pipe needs to be done. So, I don't

[29:08] to me, that would be a priority.

[29:10] You know, cuz they were on the schedule

[29:12] anyway for this year to have their roads

[29:13] resurfaced.

[29:14] >> Mhm. But then, does that mean if we do

[29:16] that, we don't do the parking lot and we

[29:18] don't do

[29:19] >> No, that's That's That would be in '27.

[29:23] Birchwood Avenue

[29:24] and the stormwater thing, if that

[29:27] even goes forward, that would be in '27.

[29:31] '26

[29:33] is the parking lot.

[29:35] And it included all the cracks crack and

[29:38] seal, the pothole filling, the and

[29:42] What's that?

[29:43] >> Striping.

[29:43] >> Yeah, striping, televising thing, and

[29:46] also um Birchwood Courts, number up that

[29:48] way.

[29:49] >> Okay.

[29:50] >> They've also had all their gas lines

[29:51] replaced.

[29:52] >> Okay.

[29:52] >> So, that will all get done already in

[29:54] '26.

[29:55] >> Yep.

[29:56] >> So, we'll have a little bit extra money

[29:58] left over to put towards '27.

[30:01] >> Okay. And can we start any of the things

[30:04] on the break fix list in '26? I just

[30:07] want to be smart if somebody asks me a

[30:09] question. I don't

[30:10] >> Right.

[30:11] >> I don't feel like I'm I would do a good

[30:13] job answering it yet.

[30:15] >> These are Yes.

[30:17] I don't know if we have the answers yet.

[30:19] This portion

[30:22] We're in such initial stages that

[30:26] I'm thinking it's people just need to

[30:28] know what's out there. And then, when we

[30:29] get the focus groups together, we will

[30:31] have that information for

[30:32] >> pricing for you.

[30:33] >> Okay. Okay. That's

[30:34] >> I'm not going to rush Marcus to get all

[30:36] that done in preparation for Monday.

[30:38] >> No, no, no. That's fine. I just needed

[30:40] to

[30:40] >> But for the focus groups, yeah,

[30:42] absolutely.

[30:43] >> And then uh um

[30:46] would we want to get a second quote?

[30:49] I mean, 140,000, that's a that's for one

[30:52] project, one pipe.

[30:54] >> get he just spit the numbers out. He

[30:56] didn't go to bed or anything, so

[30:58] >> He's he's guessing. In his professional

[31:00] experience, it's probably going to

[31:02] >> and then we put it out to bid.

[31:03] >> All right, you got it. All right.

[31:04] >> Yeah, he was just

[31:05] comparing it to similar projects and

[31:07] just cost of materials.

[31:08] >> Okay.

[31:10] >> Thank you.

[31:10] >> Yeah.

[31:11] >> I think we've had it both ways where

[31:13] Marcus tells us something and we get it

[31:15] for cheaper and tells us something and

[31:16] it

[31:17] turns out being more expensive.

[31:18] >> Okay.

[31:19] >> Mhm.

[31:21] >> I'm good. Thank you.

[31:22] >> I think that [clears throat]

[31:24] you're right. It's like it's

[31:25] the initial stages of just figuring out

[31:27] what's going on with things. And I I I

[31:30] do want to

[31:31] say that

[31:33] I do feel like this is a good move from

[31:35] reactive planning to proactive planning.

[31:38] Um kind of figuring out whatever what

[31:40] what's broke and how much it's going to

[31:42] cost to fix it. And after seeing the

[31:44] initial results of the televising, it's

[31:46] pretty apparent that the city's

[31:48] infrastructure hasn't been taken care of

[31:50] for a very long time. Or there hasn't

[31:53] been adequate planning

[31:54] around it to maintain it.

[31:57] >> Yeah, that's an original pipe that was

[31:59] put in in the '80s.

[32:01] And I don't even know how often it's

[32:02] been cleaned.

[32:04] The the homeowner that was affected by

[32:06] that I'm just talking about that one

[32:08] pipe on Birchwood Avenue. And the

[32:09] homeowner that was affected

[32:11] never really had this huge river flowing

[32:14] through the backyard until that pipe was

[32:15] cleaned, which tells you that

[32:18] it hasn't been cleaned a long for a long

[32:19] time.

[32:20] >> Yeah.

[32:20] >> Otherwise, this problem would have been

[32:22] ongoing. But

[32:24] >> the house that's affected in the yard,

[32:26] I believe that house when Marcus and I

[32:28] were talking about this the other day, I

[32:30] think it was built in the

[32:31] early mid-'90s.

[32:33] And so they've never experienced that

[32:35] before because by then that pipe was

[32:37] jammed up.

[32:38] And so, the suggestion was made that it

[32:40] had been in there for a long time before

[32:41] that, and that perhaps it was done under

[32:44] cover of darkness, basically. And so, it

[32:47] might even be from the '70s. And we just

[32:49] don't know, but we know it hasn't been

[32:51] working since the '90s.

[32:53] So,

[32:55] >> Bottom line,

[32:56] like stormwater should not be flooding

[32:58] someone's backyard.

[32:59] >> Right, but and

[33:00] >> It was put in to fix a problem, and now

[33:02] it created a new problem because it's

[33:04] all backed up. So, now it's on the road,

[33:06] so you fix the problem to get it off the

[33:08] road, and now it's in someone's

[33:09] backyard.

[33:10] And when it was put in, it was going

[33:12] into a a swamp. And now it's going into

[33:14] someone's backyard that's actually

[33:16] working as a backyard.

[33:17] >> And I I just wanted to make it clear,

[33:18] too, to residents that this the issue

[33:21] we're talking about is one problem.

[33:23] >> Yep.

[33:23] >> And on one street,

[33:26] and that is throughout the city people

[33:28] are having issues. So, it's just it's so

[33:30] complicated that

[33:32] you know,

[33:34] hard to nail down a plan at this early

[33:37] of a stage. We really need to

[33:39] work through it a little bit more, think

[33:41] through it.

[33:45] » So, just to clarify though, um so, all

[33:47] of these storm sewer and or sewer issues

[33:49] are all underneath our existing roads,

[33:52] so that's why it is affecting the road

[33:54] budget.

[33:55] >> Correct.

[33:56] >> And uh

[33:57] details. And then, we did just approve

[34:01] the audit so that we would be able to

[34:04] look at doing bonding as another option

[34:07] for funding or another pathway for

[34:09] funding if we did want to do a larger

[34:11] project. So, hopefully we'll have some

[34:13] news on that on Monday in theory, or at

[34:16] least some beginning information

[34:18] regarding what our plan is for

[34:22] looking at additional funding.

[34:23] >> And that and that was the whole idea of

[34:25] the focus groups, too, because basically

[34:27] we have we can stick with our

[34:31] levy money, which is

[34:33] I think we had 120,000 we

[34:36] >> Maybe, somewhere around there.

[34:37] >> We budgeted

[34:38] >> 100,000 per year.

[34:39] >> Yeah, right. And then so we could stick

[34:42] with that and that is just maintenance.

[34:44] That's not going to solve any storm

[34:46] water issues.

[34:48] That's just maintenance. Or we could go,

[34:51] you know, to

[34:54] um assessments.

[34:56] If people want improvements, if they

[34:58] want curb and gutter, if they want new

[35:00] culverts put in, whatever. Or we can go

[35:02] full out and bond, but that's why we

[35:04] need to get resident input.

[35:06] I don't know what the appetite is for

[35:09] our all of our residents as far as

[35:10] spending on that.

[35:12] But what I do know is our infrastructure

[35:14] is aging and

[35:15] it's not going to last forever. So

[35:16] either we start to take steps now or we

[35:19] kick the can down the road and let the

[35:21] next council handle it.

[35:24] >> It's not going to get better.

[35:25] >> It's not getting [laughter] better, no.

[35:27] It

[35:28] I mean the the youngest infrastructure

[35:31] we have was put in in the

[35:34] Oh, probably in the '70s.

[35:37] Early '70s and that would be up by us.

[35:38] >> Which which were the last half a

[35:40] century?

[35:41] >> So,

[35:43] And and these are big numbers.

[35:44] >> Right. And these projects aren't going

[35:45] to be this whole if we were to redo the

[35:48] city and fix everything, you know, it's

[35:50] going to take 20 years. Which is going

[35:52] to put us at the end of

[35:54] >> the life expectancy.

[35:55] >> all the life expectancy.

[35:57] >> Yeah, and now we have flooding of

[35:58] basements and all that fun stuff that

[36:00] happened when our lift station failed.

[36:04] It's going to affect your personal

[36:05] property really fast.

[36:07] >> Well, I mean

[36:08] >> These are serious issues and I just

[36:10] don't I don't we're not going to rush

[36:12] into anything.

[36:14] I'm just

[36:16] It's important

[36:17] to take our time

[36:18] and make good decisions.

[36:19] >> And the important thing I think is to

[36:20] have plans and you know, if they're not

[36:23] necessarily shovel ready, you know, I'm

[36:25] not going to say this is good news, but

[36:28] you're a symptom of a problem that every

[36:30] city has in the metro. Right? You're not

[36:32] the only ones that have aging

[36:34] infrastructure. And so, at some point, I

[36:37] would hope that the state would actually

[36:38] say, "You know what? You know, we need

[36:40] to create a fund to help some of these

[36:41] smaller communities, whether it's lower

[36:43] interest or easier to get than bonding."

[36:46] You know, I would hope that legislators

[36:48] would get together and actually advocate

[36:49] for that. You know, cuz it's impossible,

[36:51] I mean, functionally impossible to do

[36:54] this in an in an efficient way with

[36:56] money that you don't have to do this.

[36:58] Right? So, it's not only the

[37:00] infrastructure that's under the roads,

[37:02] it's the roads.

[37:03] >> Well, and and I think, too, that's what

[37:06] um some people might not understand is

[37:08] that yeah, we're small,

[37:09] but we still have the same

[37:11] infrastructure as the larger cities. You

[37:14] know, we still have sanitary sewers, we

[37:16] still have storm water issues, we still

[37:18] have roads we need to maintain.

[37:21] Well, because we're small, we don't have

[37:23] the funding that larger cities might

[37:24] have. So, we're really in a a

[37:27] tough situation.

[37:28] >> Without business, that's one of the

[37:30] other

[37:31] hard shots is without that tax

[37:34] community. It's it's all on residents.

[37:37] So.

[37:38] >> But, the good news is

[37:40] you have a lot of intelligent people in

[37:43] this community, and I think when we get

[37:45] everybody together, we'll come up with

[37:46] solutions.

[37:48] >> Or the commitment to just roll up your

[37:49] sleeves and write the check.

[37:51] >> Yep.

[37:51] >> That's but that's a decision that has to

[37:53] be made by the residents from with

[37:55] information.

[37:56] >> So,

[37:57] we'll get there.

[37:59] >> The The other thing, I don't know if

[38:00] this is even worth mentioning, but I'll

[38:02] say it anyway.

[38:03] Um so, as I think about what's happened

[38:06] since 2000,

[38:08] I'm sure there was huge constraints on

[38:09] the budget with the market crash of

[38:12] 2008, and that probably constrained everybody. And

[38:16] then there was COVID.

[38:17] >> Right.

[38:17] >> So, so I just in my head, it's like,

[38:20] "Well, why didn't we move faster?" Those

[38:23] are two reasons.

[38:25] >> Um

[38:27] >> It's not It's not the blame game. It's

[38:29] just that it's catching up to the city.

[38:32] >> Yes.

[38:32] >> That's all.

[38:33] And we either can choose as a council to

[38:36] address it now

[38:37] or not. And let it

[38:39] keep going.

[38:41] But I think it's important for our

[38:44] residents to have good information

[38:46] so they

[38:48] can guide us in the decision.

[38:50] >> Oh, absolutely.

[38:51] >> You know?

[38:51] >> Yeah.

[38:51] >> So, I'm I'm really pleased that we did

[38:53] all this televising cuz now we know. Now

[38:55] we know what we're dealing with.

[38:56] >> Mhm.

[38:56] >> And we have the Roadbotics study that

[38:58] shows us exactly which roads are in what

[39:00] condition

[39:02] and what are in dire need of repair

[39:03] sooner rather than later.

[39:05] You know? So, we have really good

[39:07] information right now.

[39:08] >> The question is, what's the appetite for

[39:10] spend?

[39:11] >> Right.

[39:11] >> Yeah.

[39:11] >> And that's what we need to figure out.

[39:13] >> Yep.

[39:15] >> All right.

[39:16] Enough said till the 20th.

[39:18] >> [laughter]

[39:19] >> Next.

[39:20] >> Anyway, we'll have our poster boards

[39:21] here for everyone to see and just

[39:24] absorb. So, you know, it's not going to

[39:26] be much of a Q&A. I don't know. Did you

[39:27] want Marcus to come?

[39:29] >> No, there's no need. This is just to

[39:31] provide additional information.

[39:32] >> Sure.

[39:33] >> The letter that residents are going to

[39:34] receive only has like four pictures on

[39:36] it.

[39:37] Um so, if they come, they can see the

[39:39] map. They can see where their house is

[39:41] on the map and what all is affecting

[39:43] where they live and there's

[39:47] » So, yeah.

[39:47] >> Just information.

[39:48] >> poster boards, just big easel boards, so

[39:50] you know, larger than life. About the

[39:52] size of the television screen.

[39:54] >> Yeah.

[39:55] >> It's a lot more effective than looking

[39:56] at pictures on a piece of paper.

[40:01] Anyway, that was about it. You saw my

[40:02] little mosquito basket challenge. I

[40:05] thought that was something interesting

[40:06] that came into my inbox and I'd never

[40:08] heard of that.

[40:08] >> I don't understand it. What Like, what

[40:10] is the

[40:11] stuff you put in the bucket?

[40:13] >> Well, it's called the dunk.

[40:14] >> Yeah, what is it? You buy it?

[40:16] >> a bacterium that goes in there and the

[40:19] mosquitoes are attracted to the water

[40:21] and the bacteria basically takes care of

[40:23] the mosquitoes. So, it's a it's a

[40:25] chemical fog free way of basically

[40:27] getting mosquitoes out of your backyard,

[40:29] out of your living space.

[40:30] >> Is it the same stuff you use?

[40:31] >> tried it. I just thought it was

[40:32] intriguing, so I threw it out there and

[40:34] said, "Hey, maybe someone wants to try

[40:36] it."

[40:36] >> Oh, that's So, you go that to the

[40:38] hardware store and get the dunk?

[40:40] >> You can get the dunk I would guess at

[40:42] any one of the major retailers, you

[40:44] know, that has a garden center or your

[40:46] favorite, like I said, online portal,

[40:48] some of which will not be named, but you

[40:50] know where to go.

[40:51] So, again, it was new concept to me and

[40:54] if it works, it's a great way to keep

[40:55] scooters off your porch.

[40:56] >> Yeah, I'm not kidding.

[40:57] >> Is it the same stuff they put in the

[40:58] marsh when they drop it via the

[41:00] helicopter each year?

[41:02] >> Well, that's probably more of a sulfate,

[41:03] something that's a little bit more of a

[41:05] chemical.

[41:06] Um it'd be very hard I would think to

[41:08] create enough of that effect for the

[41:10] whole marsh, but I could be wrong. You

[41:12] know, I I'm not a mosquito

[41:14] So, the Metro Mosquito Control District

[41:17] expert.

[41:19] I know it's not the same as the fog that

[41:21] the helicopters come and bring in, so

[41:23] that's different. So.

[41:26] >> Um I just got a message from a resident

[41:28] that the dock at Kay Beach has broken.

[41:32] Uh one of the

[41:32] >> Broken?

[41:33] >> Yeah. One of the sections has snapped in

[41:35] the middle.

[41:36] >> Okay.

[41:36] >> Um so, do not go on Kay Beach dock this

[41:39] evening.

[41:40] >> Is that in the

[41:42] any Well,

[41:43] >> I will go down and look at it after the

[41:45] meeting and see going on there, but

[41:47] >> That's where I'll be going after the

[41:48] meeting.

[41:49] >> Perfect.

[41:51] He said he's he's going to see if he has

[41:52] any caution tape to put up there quick

[41:54] just because it has snapped in one of

[41:56] the middle sections of our dock. So,

[41:58] we'll have to fix that probably

[41:59] tomorrow.

[42:02] So, thank you.

[42:02] >> Caution.

[42:04] Don't go to Kay Beach or don't go on the

[42:06] dock at Kay Beach at the moment.

[42:11] » All right. Anything else?

[42:13] >> Alan, can you have staff post this

[42:17] e-bike graphic on the Facebook page?

[42:20] >> Sure.

[42:21] The informational one that we got?

[42:22] >> Yeah, just

[42:23] >> The sheriff's report one?

[42:24] >> Yeah, sure.

[42:26] Just cuz that I feel like it's an

[42:28] ongoing issue that

[42:30] I feel like

[42:31] a lot of the residents aren't

[42:34] a lot of residents aren't educated on.

[42:36] So, just more information we can push

[42:37] out the better.

[42:38] >> Yep, that's why we have Genevieve out

[42:39] there cuz I can't do it.

[42:42] >> You can do it.

[42:43] >> But I will say that since our little

[42:44] lecture from the from the sheriff,

[42:47] the only folks that I've seen in the

[42:48] city and maybe your results vary because

[42:50] you're here more often, but the only

[42:52] kiddos that I've seen have been wearing

[42:54] helmets and looking as if they've been

[42:57] complying, but again, I'm hearing

[42:59] ghosts, so.

[43:01] >> That was not my experience with the kids

[43:02] running around on J path last week, so.

[43:06] >> They were out by us, too. They come out.

[43:09] >> So, they're they're definitely under the

[43:10] age of my daughter, who is not old

[43:12] enough to ride around without a helmet,

[43:14] so.

[43:15] >> Got it.

[43:15] >> Even with a helmet. Well, yes, I mean

[43:17] anyone on a bike I think should be

[43:18] wearing a helmet, but that's just me.

[43:21] But they don't get the choice, I guess,

[43:23] [laughter]

[43:24] at the age that they are, and they were

[43:25] definitely more of a motorbike than a

[43:28] electric.

[43:29] So.

[43:32] Okay.

[43:33] Anything else?

[43:35] No?

[43:36] Okay, then, could I have a motion to

[43:39] adjourn?

[43:40] >> So moved.

[43:41] >> Second.

[43:43] >> Okay, all in favor?

[43:44] >> Aye.

[43:45] >> This meeting is adjourned.

[43:49] » Thanks, guys.

[45:14] » Mhm.

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