[0:00] ready here just some little housekeeping

[0:02] are these reports that we have to sign

[0:05] as counselors tonight any of

[0:08] these yes I do have two decisions from

[0:11] the committee of adjustment so there are

[0:14] I see three of us in this room so don't

[0:16] let us leave without signing thank you

[0:19] all right we're live now may

[0:23] clop okay welcome everyone to uh our

[0:27] December 7th meetings uh we're going to

[0:30] start with our committee of adjustment

[0:32] and I'll ask uh a call to order and uh

[0:36] Chandra to do roll call

[0:39] please member klopp present member

[0:42] Ferguson present member Becker present

[0:47] member Harris

[0:49] present uh member Irvin sends his

[0:52] regrets as does member leaport member

[0:55] Vandenberg present member Walden present

[0:59] and wetstone

[1:02] present okay we have Quorum thank you uh

[1:06] counselors deputy mayor uh hope you had

[1:08] a good couple weeks uh we now uh I need

[1:12] a motion to approve the agenda as

[1:15] printed so moved Mr Mayor

[1:20] Walden

[1:21] seconded

[1:24] fenberg all those in favor of the agenda

[1:27] as printed say I I I

[1:31] any opposed hearing none opposed motion

[1:33] carries is there any disclosure

[1:35] pecuniary interest for tonight's meeting

[1:37] or the previous

[1:40] meeting hearing none we are now at uh

[1:43] point four which is adoption of the

[1:46] minutes from the previous

[1:49] meeting of November the 2nd 2020

[1:52] Committee of adjustment do I have a move

[1:53] or a second for that so moved it's a

[1:57] deputy thank you Deputy second

[2:00] wal Walden

[2:04] seconded any discussion on the uh on the

[2:08] minutes hearing no discussion I'm going

[2:10] to call the motion all those in favor of

[2:12] adopting the minutes as printed i i i

[2:17] any opposed hearing none motion carries

[2:20] thank you we're now at uh five 5.1 mv12

[2:25] D20 and planner Hallman you're there

[2:29] somewhere there you are Hannah good

[2:31] evening and this is uh the 3398 King

[2:35] Street lot 38 plan plan 531 hey West

[2:40] Ward take it away Hanah all right thank

[2:43] you chair um I will just share uh my

[2:46] presentation all right uh so as stated

[2:49] by the chair the next application is

[2:50] number mv1

[2:52] 1220 um the subject property is located

[2:56] on the corner of King Street and

[2:58] Princess Street uh the the subject

[3:00] property is designated residential and

[3:02] is zoned residential low density R1 the

[3:06] property is a corner lot um and the

[3:08] portion along King Street so that

[3:10] southern lot line there um is recognized

[3:13] as the front property line with the

[3:14] exterior property line um along Princess

[3:18] Street uh just for committee's um

[3:22] understanding uh here are site photos of

[3:25] um the subject application tooken

[3:27] earlier in November um the subject appli

[3:30] is seeking to add an extension to their

[3:32] existing dwelling on the Northern side

[3:34] um so right about located right about

[3:37] here uh the elevations are provided of

[3:40] the existing dwelling um including um

[3:43] the proposed um extension to the

[3:46] dwelling um so showing the front and

[3:48] rear elevations there and the right and

[3:50] left

[3:51] elevation and here's the uh site plan

[3:54] that's provided uh the applicants

[3:56] specifically are seeking uh variants uh

[3:58] to reduce the RIS yard setback from 8 m

[4:01] to 2.1 M um so in this case it is uh it

[4:05] is along the left side of the screen um

[4:08] so it would be along the northern lot

[4:10] line that they're seeking to reduce from

[4:11] 8 meters to 2.1

[4:14] Metter um the application was considered

[4:16] against the four tests of the minor

[4:18] variance um the proposed minor variance

[4:20] represents a reduction of 5.9 MERS um it

[4:24] is worth noting that the rear yard um in

[4:27] this case if it were to be considered

[4:29] the interior side yard um which might

[4:31] you

[4:32] know to the to someone um looking at the

[4:37] property it might appear to be the

[4:38] interior side yard just because of the

[4:40] orientation of the house as well as

[4:42] other adjacent Lots if it were to them

[4:44] be the interior side yard the required

[4:46] setback would be 1.5 M so that's worth

[4:49] noting um just to the UN just due to the

[4:52] unique configuration of the lot the

[4:54] proposed construction otherwise comp uh

[4:57] follows the requirements of the R1 one

[4:59] zone uh including lot coverage uh as

[5:03] well there is proposed that the septic

[5:05] system would be located on the exterior

[5:07] sidey yard uh further limiting uh the

[5:10] available space on the property for this

[5:12] um extension as such the minor variance

[5:15] is considered uh minor and

[5:18] desirable uh as well the minor variance

[5:20] maintains the intent of the zoning Bon

[5:22] the official plan Amendment uh to

[5:24] support uh residential development uh

[5:26] within the residential designation in

[5:29] terms of comments there was one neighbor

[5:31] comment received um from the property

[5:33] owner to the north um so this is the

[5:35] property owner that's AB budding uh the

[5:37] yard that is seeking the variants um

[5:40] expressing no concerns with the proposed

[5:41] build uh but they did have concerns

[5:43] about the potential for uh the trimming

[5:46] of branches on their tree um so if I

[5:48] just go back to the site photos there is

[5:50] a tree uh located on the neighbor's

[5:52] property that does have branches that

[5:54] overhang onto the neighbor's property um

[5:57] and they just had some questions about

[5:59] whether they they were considering

[6:00] trimming these trees um so as such I

[6:03] have provided that neighbor um with the

[6:06] contact or the contact information with

[6:08] the owner so that they can discuss this

[6:10] uh between themselves uh blue water

[6:13] staff did provide comment on the

[6:14] application indicating no

[6:16] concern um they have made two specific

[6:19] comments noting that the water meter for

[6:21] the a build must be located where all

[6:23] water consumption including water for

[6:25] the dishing can be captured uh this

[6:27] comment is reflected in recommending

[6:29] addition number four uh as well um

[6:32] building staff have provided comment

[6:34] with uh respect to the proposed septic

[6:36] layout noting that the layout may need

[6:38] to be uh amended as there was some

[6:41] discrepancy between the site plan um and

[6:43] the septic layout provided um as such

[6:46] there is a condition that the sewage

[6:47] system shall comply with the Ontario

[6:49] building code AS reflected by condition

[6:51] number five uh but this is something

[6:53] that would um be expected otherwise um

[6:57] it is recommended that the application

[6:59] for the minor variant be approved to the

[7:01] conditions included in the report um

[7:03] three of which are standard so that it

[7:05] be um constructed to the foot print

[7:07] contained in the site plan that it

[7:09] follows the elevations and it's valid

[7:11] for a period of 18 months as well

[7:13] condition four and five are recognizing

[7:16] those two unique um staff comments so

[7:18] I'm happy to answer any questions that

[7:20] the committee may have well thank you uh

[7:23] is there any questions to Hannah at this

[7:24] time

[7:26] counselors hearing none as this is a

[7:29] public meeting um I'm going to ask uh

[7:32] first the applicant do they um wish to

[7:34] make any comments or do they agree with

[7:36] the planner's recommendations or have

[7:38] other thoughts is there someone here

[7:40] this evening either representing the

[7:42] applicant or the owner I believe Joe and

[7:45] Angela are

[7:47] here okay oh Angela I think I see you

[7:51] and someone behind you I gather that

[7:52] might be Joe that's Joe pleased to meet

[7:54] you

[7:55] uh no problem um so go ahead

[8:00] you are you comfortable with what you

[8:02] have uh understood and heard from the

[8:04] planner and the staff of Blue

[8:07] Water yep I have no problem okay thank

[8:11] you council is there any questions to

[8:13] the

[8:16] owners hearing none and again as this is

[8:19] a public meeting uh I'm going to ask is

[8:22] there anyone um in our viewing audience

[8:25] this evening that wishes to comment on

[8:27] this application has a concern or or

[8:31] wants to support it Ang uh Chandra sorry

[8:35] I have no one else registered to speak

[8:36] on this issue okay let the record show

[8:39] there was no one uh on for this public

[8:42] meeting thank

[8:44] you um council is there I'm looking for

[8:47] a motion then is there anyone prepared

[8:48] to make a motion with regards to this

[8:52] application councilor vanen Burke and

[8:54] you're making the motion to approve with

[8:56] the conditions yes I am with with the conditions with the five conditions

[9:02] councelor Waldman second councelor

[9:04] Walden second councilors is there any

[9:06] discussion or you ready to for me to

[9:08] call the

[9:10] question I'm going to call the question

[9:12] all those in favor of the recommendation

[9:14] mv12 D20 to be approved with the five

[9:18] conditions say I any

[9:24] Nays it's carried thank you um now uh

[9:29] Hannah do you have some instructions for

[9:31] the uh Angela and uh Joel yes thank you

[9:35] chair just before I get to that I'm just

[9:37] going to uh bring up the table for the

[9:39] motion yeah thank

[9:42] you um so in terms of the effect of

[9:45] public and agency comments I recommend

[9:47] that the committee uh select option 3A

[9:50] that public comments were received in

[9:52] support of the application the effect of

[9:54] which result in a decision to approve

[9:55] the application and option uh B for that

[9:58] comment were received from agencies on

[10:00] the issues of the water meter and the

[10:02] septic system layout the comments were

[10:04] addressed through

[10:06] conditions okay do we have a mover for

[10:08] those 3A and B4 please councelor Walden

[10:11] would move councelor Walden and uh

[10:14] councelor vandenbberg

[10:16] second any discussion hearing none all in favor of uh 3A and B4 is the

[10:23] motion say I I I I any opposed hearing

[10:28] none the motion carries thank

[10:31] you Hannah all right uh yep Joe and

[10:34] Angela so you will soon uh receive a

[10:37] decision um a notice of decision

[10:39] outlining uh the appeal rights which is

[10:42] there's appeal period for 20 days after

[10:44] which uh your minor variance decision

[10:46] will be final um and then as I as stated

[10:49] by the condition it's valid for a period

[10:50] of 18 months so that's the time that you

[10:52] have to get a building

[10:54] permit okay thank you thank you good

[10:57] luck

[10:59] all right uh we're now going to move to

[11:02] application mv1

[11:05] 13-20 plan 67 lot 11 part Lot 12

[11:09] Bayfield Ward Municipality of blue

[11:12] waterer and uh Hannah please go ahead

[11:16] thank you

[11:21] chair all right uh as stated the next

[11:24] application is MV

[11:26] 1320 um the subject property is at 10

[11:29] Harbor Court in Bayfield the subject

[11:32] property is designated residential in

[11:34] the Blue Water ficial plan and is zoned

[11:36] residential low density R1 uh as well as

[11:39] a portion of the property is Zone

[11:41] natural environment 2 the property is

[11:43] located along uh the Bayfield River um

[11:46] so the portion of the property that's

[11:48] closer to the river um is the portion

[11:50] that is zoned uh ne2 the property

[11:53] contains an existing single detached

[11:55] dwelling along the Bayfield River

[11:59] um here's just a aerial imagery of the

[12:02] subject property um so it is lot along

[12:05] the Bayfield River um this is from 2015

[12:08] um so the single detached dwelling has

[12:10] since been fully constructed uh the

[12:13] elevations are provided of the proposed

[12:16] detach

[12:17] garage um and the application is seeking

[12:19] to increase the maximum accessory

[12:22] Building height from 6 M to 7.6 M and

[12:26] the minimum top of Bank set back from 30

[12:28] m to 3.9 M um so this top of Bank

[12:32] setback is with respect um to the

[12:34] Bayfield River um and they're seeking to

[12:37] go again from 30 MERS to 3.9 meters to

[12:40] facilitate the construction of um that

[12:44] um detach garage the application was

[12:47] considered against the four tests of the

[12:48] minor variants um first I'll speak to

[12:51] the minor variant in terms of the

[12:52] building height uh the applicant did

[12:55] provide um as included in the report the

[12:57] approximate sight line to the adjacent

[12:59] property owner is part of the survey

[13:01] sketch showing that the proposed

[13:02] detached garage is out of um the line of

[13:05] sight of the Jason property owner with

[13:07] respect to the river and the harbor um

[13:10] with the intent of Min minimizing the

[13:12] visual impact of the detach garage it is

[13:15] also worth noting that the elevation of

[13:16] the property does decrease from the

[13:19] front property line when you go

[13:20] downwards of the existing driveway uh

[13:23] further reducing the appearance of the

[13:25] height from that street level in terms

[13:28] of the SE minor variance to um reduce

[13:31] the top of Bank setback uh we primarily

[13:35] uh rely on the advice of the ABCA to

[13:37] advise on this um and they have stated

[13:39] that they have no natural Hazard

[13:41] concerns with this reduced top of Bank

[13:43] um they do note however that um a permit

[13:46] will be required from the ABCA as that

[13:48] is a separate process um as such in this

[13:51] case both of the variances are

[13:53] considered minor and desirable as well

[13:55] uh as well both of the minor variances

[13:57] maintain the intent of the zoning bylaw

[13:59] and the official plan Amendment as this

[14:01] is supporting residential development

[14:03] and they otherwise meet um all of the

[14:05] zoning Provisions there were comments

[14:07] provided uh by the ab budding neighbor

[14:10] uh to the east um inquiring about the

[14:13] minor nature of the topa bank variants

[14:15] uh as well as they did express some

[14:17] concern with the increased Building

[14:19] height um due to their experience with

[14:21] high winds in the area noting that they

[14:23] had experienced themselves with having

[14:25] to replace material on the roof um so

[14:27] that's something that they just uh

[14:29] cautiously made me aware of um and then

[14:32] there was another comment provided from

[14:33] a neighbor inquiring about the status of

[14:35] the ABCA permit um and as such that

[14:38] neighbor was referred to the ABCA as

[14:40] that as a separate process blue water

[14:43] staff did provide comment on the

[14:44] application with no concerns uh their

[14:47] comments note that their current

[14:48] utilities records indicate that either a

[14:51] water meter has not been installed on

[14:53] the property or that the water meter has

[14:54] been installed but the transmitter has

[14:56] not uh as they are currently being buil

[14:59] at a flat rate uh as such they have

[15:01] recommended condition number four be

[15:03] included to address

[15:04] this um as well uh as I spoke to a

[15:07] little bit before ABCA did provide

[15:09] comment on the application uh noting

[15:11] that they have no concerns from a

[15:13] natural Hazard perspective in terms of

[15:15] the recommendation it is recommended

[15:17] that the application be approved subject

[15:19] to the condition uh three of which are

[15:21] the standard conditions as well as um

[15:23] number four that a water meter and

[15:25] transmitter uh be installed on the

[15:27] property or that it um or confirmation

[15:32] uh be received that it already has been

[15:34] installed and that the transmitter uh be

[15:37] connected I'm happy to answer any

[15:39] questions that the committee may

[15:41] have okay counselors any questions to

[15:45] Hannah at this

[15:47] time hearing none I'm going to go here

[15:49] to the owner I see also Mr Johnson Brian

[15:52] hello um is some anyone wish to comment

[15:56] Peter um you agree with the

[15:59] with what you've heard so

[16:01] far I do uh we we've resided in the

[16:05] Bayfield area for 15 years five in this

[16:08] particular residence um having spent

[16:11] February and March this year in Bayfield

[16:14] with no garage and moving my car every

[16:16] time a snowplow came

[16:18] through I recognized how important uh it

[16:21] was to try and get this going um I want

[16:25] to also on on take a moment and thank

[16:29] the the staff of the municipality ABA

[16:32] Bluewater Council uh for keeping the

[16:35] wheels of progress in in motion during

[16:37] these unprecedented times it's uh it's

[16:40] been a tough year for everyone so thanks

[16:42] for your time and consideration on this

[16:45] well thank you for those uh words Peter

[16:47] um okay is there any questions to the uh

[16:51] to the owner here

[16:54] counselors okay um as this is a public

[16:58] meeting Peter going to ask is there

[16:59] anyone in um in our viewing audience

[17:03] wishes to uh raise any concerns or

[17:05] support for this uh for this

[17:08] permit chander is there anyone the only

[17:11] other person in attendance as you

[17:12] mentioned is Brian

[17:14] Johnson okay I see some others in the in

[17:17] the back watching in but that's uh

[17:20] there's anyone that there wishing to

[17:22] comment okay thank you uh let the record

[17:25] show that there was no one in the public

[17:27] gallery that um had any

[17:29] concerns uh at this uh for this public

[17:32] meeting okay I'm looking counselors is

[17:35] there anyone uh wishing to make a

[17:38] motion I'll move the recommendation

[17:40] councelor wetstone thank you councelor

[17:42] wetstone and that's to approve and that

[17:45] was the deputy I believe that's correct

[17:48] thank you deputy and that is for to

[17:51] approve uh the recommendations with the

[17:54] four recommendations correct thank you

[17:58] councilors is there any questions before

[18:00] I call the

[18:01] question hearing none I'm going to call

[18:03] the question to uh to approve this uh

[18:07] application all those in favor say I I I

[18:11] any opposed hearing none the motion

[18:14] carries and now we have to do one more

[18:17] motion yes thank you chair I will just

[18:20] share the

[18:21] table um so I recommend um that the

[18:24] committee uh select option 5A uh that

[18:28] public comments received on the issue of

[18:30] high winds uh with regard to the

[18:32] proposed increased Building height

[18:34] comments were thoroughly considered but

[18:35] the effect did not influence the

[18:37] decision to approve the application uh

[18:39] and in terms of agency comments uh

[18:41] option B4 that comments were received

[18:44] from agencies on the issue of the water

[18:46] meter these comments were addressed

[18:47] through

[18:48] conditions hey is there person ready to

[18:51] make that motion for 5A and

[18:53] B4 councelor venberg councelor Becker

[18:57] second

[18:59] all those in favor of that motion 5A and

[19:02] B4 please say I I I any opposed hearing

[19:07] none the motion carries Anna back to you

[19:11] all right thank you chair um so Peter

[19:13] and Brian um your next steps will be

[19:15] that you will receive um a notice of

[19:17] decision that outlines uh the appeal

[19:19] rights which is a 20-day appeal period

[19:21] uh after which assuming there's no

[19:23] appeals the decision will be final and

[19:25] valid for a period of 18

[19:27] months okay he Hannah great thank you

[19:30] stay stay safe everybody for sure thank

[19:34] you very much good luck in your uh in

[19:36] your project there sir thanks thanks

[19:38] Council thank you okay I'm G to call a

[19:41] motion to adjourn our U Committee of

[19:44] adjustment is there a motion to adjourn

[19:47] so move councelor Walden seconded by

[19:49] councelor

[19:51] venburg all those in favor say

[19:53] I I any opposed hearing none motion

[19:58] carries we now move into our regular

[20:01] council meeting of December the

[20:04] 7th and I'm going to call the meeting to

[20:07] order and uh chander to confirm that we

[20:12] have uh no new additions and we still

[20:14] can consider the members that were here

[20:16] to be the same yes attendance reflects

[20:19] the same as the committee of adjustments

[20:23] okay a disclosure of prary interests at

[20:26] this time for this meeting or for

[20:28] previous meeting if

[20:31] absent hearing none and again if

[20:33] something comes up please um get my

[20:36] attention I'm going to ask for the

[20:39] approval of the agenda but we have one

[20:41] issue pulled Chandra and that was yes

[20:46] Council um

[20:49] [Music]

[20:50] item

[20:51] 7.6.4 being the Wildwood Municipal drain

[20:54] tender award has been um moved to the

[20:57] December 21st

[21:01] okay so that's one is there anything

[21:04] someone wishes to add or or uh Council

[21:08] amendments to

[21:10] anything hearing none I'm G to ask for a

[21:13] mover to approve the agenda as amended

[21:15] with

[21:16] 7.64 removed for this

[21:19] meeting councelor Walden seconded

[21:24] by Deputy Deputy Mayor thank you Deputy

[21:29] Mayor

[21:30] Ferguson okay all those in favor of the

[21:33] agenda as amended please say

[21:36] I any opposed motion carries we're now

[21:40] at number four delegations and

[21:43] presentations the asabo Bayfield

[21:45] conservation Authority has a report here

[21:49] uh miss vz's hand I see her in the

[21:51] corner somewhere there she is um it's uh

[21:55] take it

[21:56] away go ahead

[22:07] [Music]

[22:22] Mary were you able to share your

[22:25] screen I I don't know if she can hear us

[22:28] I I think

[22:35] she's H technical difficulties here Mary

[22:39] are you able to hear

[22:49] us

[22:51] okay oh that's unfortunate I can reach

[22:54] out to her by email if we wanted to move

[22:56] forward with um our next item

[22:59] okay I think we can do that is that okay

[23:01] with Council if we go to 4.2 and then

[23:03] we'll come back to

[23:05] 4.1 yeah I see everyone okay with that

[23:09] uh slight change okay we're going to now

[23:11] do 4.2 which is the uh KPMG Service

[23:14] delivery review

[23:16] update and uh there's anah and uh go

[23:21] ahead who's going to do

[23:26] this thank you your worship it's

[23:28] pleasure to be here tonight my name is

[23:31] Bruce pever I'm a partner with

[23:33] KPMG and with me tonight is my colleague

[23:37] SAA Malik and we will be presenting on

[23:40] our final report on the municipality

[23:43] Bluewater Service delivery review SAA

[23:47] can you is it possible to present our

[23:52] presentation yes uh give me a second I'm

[23:54] just fing it up

[24:00] [Music]

[24:12] great thank you

[24:15] SAA if we can go to the project overview

[24:18] page that's great so your worship

[24:21] Council

[24:22] staff again I'm here tonight to present

[24:26] the final report

[24:29] and before we get into our key findings

[24:31] uh what I want to do with you is just

[24:34] review our project objectives and the

[24:36] scope of work so KPMG was engaged by the

[24:39] municipality of Blue Water to undertake

[24:42] a service delivery review the overall

[24:45] goal of the review was to better

[24:48] understand your current Municipal

[24:50] services and identify opportunities for

[24:52] improvements cost reductions and greater

[24:56] efficiency next page sign

[25:02] we started the engagement in

[25:04] August and when we kicked it off and

[25:08] then we proceeded into what we call the

[25:10] environmental scan where we collected

[25:12] information on your current Service

[25:14] delivery methods and we conducted

[25:17] stakeholder engagement exercises and

[25:19] surveyed five comparator

[25:22] municipalities in August and September

[25:24] we reviewed and conducted an inventory

[25:27] of your current service services and

[25:29] then in the fall we identified a series

[25:33] of

[25:35] opportunities that you had and we've

[25:39] concluded the engagement with a analysis

[25:43] of your financial position so tonight we

[25:46] are here to present the final

[25:49] report on our next

[25:53] page and SAA perhaps you can take

[25:56] Council through

[25:58] the top 10 opportunities for the

[26:02] municipality sure good evening everybody

[26:05] my name is an Malik and I was part of

[26:07] this um project um what we did just to

[26:10] before we get into the actual

[26:12] opportunities just want to give a brief

[26:13] background on how we came up with these

[26:15] opportunities we had brainstorming

[26:18] sessions with staff and management uh

[26:20] where we came up with 62

[26:23] opportunities um we at KPMG took those

[26:26] opportunities away we combined them and

[26:28] we had 35

[26:30] opportunities remaining with those

[26:33] opportunities uh we had to prioritize

[26:35] them to come up with the top 10 and we

[26:37] did that using certain criteria

[26:39] including the operating impact the

[26:41] capital impact barriers to

[26:43] implementation uh if there were any

[26:45] recent reviews completed on those

[26:47] opportunities we did looked at

[26:49] comparative analysis uh strategic

[26:51] program alignment and client customer

[26:53] impact based on the Strategic criteria

[26:56] we put those opportunities the 35

[26:58] opportunities that we had identified

[27:00] into various Pockets today we're going

[27:02] to be presenting you the top 10 that we

[27:04] identified along with

[27:09] management so the first opportunity is

[27:13] to explore possibility of sharing

[27:15] services and purchasing with a county

[27:17] and or lower tear the rationale was that

[27:20] the municipality recognizes the

[27:22] potential for increased Effectiveness

[27:24] and cost savings through alternative

[27:26] delivery models across various

[27:28] departments specific opportunities exist

[27:31] within shared services and shared

[27:33] purchasing and if you were to implement

[27:35] this opportunity the estimated impact

[27:37] would be a benefit of between 90 to

[27:43] $450,000 the second opportunity we

[27:45] identified was to develop Financial

[27:48] modeling including borrowing and debt

[27:50] financing of capital projects and also

[27:53] develop Financial policies to guide the

[27:55] municipality's financial management

[27:58] these policies will review reserves and

[28:00] Reserve funds debt policies and

[28:02] financial principles to develop a

[28:04] financial framework in corporating

[28:06] leading practices in financial

[28:09] policies this financial framework will

[28:11] drive administrative efficiencies

[28:13] through improved documented processes

[28:14] and policies that provide direction to

[28:17] staff thereby reducing the need to

[28:19] consult and seek out direction for

[28:21] specific activities and subsequent

[28:23] Council

[28:24] approvals and the rationale was that the

[28:27] municipality recognized the need for

[28:28] enhanced policies relating to Capital

[28:31] debt management reserves and

[28:33] Investments and the estimated impact

[28:36] would be less than $990,000

[28:39] and which is considered

[28:44] minor number three the third opportunity

[28:47] we identified was to improve integration

[28:49] of remaining strategic plan goals as per

[28:51] existing strategic plan within

[28:53] Department objectives in an effort to in

[28:56] assist Municipal staff with Direction

[28:59] goals motivation and sust sustainability

[29:02] of

[29:03] growth the rationale is that the

[29:06] municipality recognizes the need to

[29:08] align Department objectives to remaining

[29:10] strategic plan

[29:12] goals departmental mandates and kpis for

[29:15] each department should be established in

[29:17] line with the Strategic plan staff

[29:19] identify the inconsistency and lack of

[29:21] understanding of these mandates and

[29:24] kpis and there was there would be no

[29:27] estimated impact for this

[29:30] opportunity number four the opportunity

[29:33] was to conduct a review of the cost

[29:34] recovery model for Planning and

[29:36] Development fees to determine

[29:37] feasibility of increasing building

[29:39] permit fees to ensure cost

[29:41] recovery and the rationale was that

[29:44] there was has been no increases to the

[29:46] building permit schedule over the last 5

[29:48] years which has impacted the

[29:50] Department's ability to recover

[29:52] operating cost and the tax benefit of

[29:55] this would be between 90 to 450

[30:00] $50,000 number five the opportunity is

[30:03] to redesign the municipal website to

[30:05] improve usability so that the

[30:06] municipality can Implement customer

[30:08] service software improvements in the

[30:11] future and the municipality recognizes

[30:13] the opportunity to improve its customer

[30:15] service level through updating its

[30:17] website and improving the accessibility

[30:19] of

[30:20] information and there will be no

[30:22] estimated impact for this

[30:25] change number six the opportuni is to

[30:28] develop Parks and Recreation master plan

[30:30] to coordinate the service delivery model

[30:33] and the capital program for Parks and

[30:35] Recreation the rationale is that the

[30:37] municipality recognizes the opportunity

[30:39] to improve the guidance to council staff

[30:42] and Community stakeholders on key

[30:44] objectives and the service delivery

[30:46] model for Parks and

[30:47] Recreation and there would be no change

[30:50] to net

[30:53] Levy number seven the opportunities to

[30:56] conduct a review of the current it

[30:58] service provider analyze value for

[31:00] dollar and identify potential

[31:02] alternative alternate providers or an

[31:04] in-house

[31:05] resource and the rationale is that the

[31:08] municipality recognizes the need to

[31:10] ensure that appropriate controls are in

[31:12] place for third party risk management

[31:14] specifically for IT

[31:16] services and there would be no net

[31:19] estimate

[31:21] impact number eight the opportuni is to

[31:23] review cemet Cemetery user fees in order

[31:26] to move the cemetery to a more

[31:28] cost-effective business model and

[31:30] consider other opportunities to improve

[31:32] Cemetery management such as Contracting

[31:36] Services leveraging internal systems

[31:39] columbariums and the rationale is the

[31:41] municipality recognizes the opportunity

[31:43] to improve the overall service level of

[31:45] cemetery services and its cost recovery

[31:48] through increased fees and alternative

[31:50] Service delivery

[31:51] models and the impact would be minor at

[31:54] less than $90,000 a

[31:56] year number nine There's an opportunity

[31:59] to update Facilities Review and bring

[32:01] recommendations to council with the goal

[32:04] of either selling Municipal facilities

[32:07] no longer in use or where it is not

[32:09] financially viable to restore which

[32:11] would have the effect of reducing the

[32:13] cost of facility mendance or providing a

[32:16] financial plan to upgrade or restore the

[32:19] facility the rationale is that the

[32:21] municipality currently operates

[32:22] underutilized and aging facilities and

[32:25] recognizes the opportunity to reduce

[32:27] costs through the of these facilities or

[32:29] restoring facilities to improve

[32:32] operations and there would be less than

[32:35] $90,000 impact of this

[32:38] opportunity number 10 the opportunity is

[32:42] to investigate the digitization of the

[32:44] application review and permitting

[32:45] process for building sewage and plumbing

[32:48] applications and the rationale is that

[32:50] the municipality recognizes the benefits

[32:52] of digitizing services and activities to

[32:55] assist in optimizing business processes

[32:57] and meeting customer demand and the

[32:59] estimated impact is less than

[33:02] $90,000 those were our top 10

[33:04] opportunities that we identified with

[33:07] management what you're seeing here um on

[33:10] this screen is that we took those 10

[33:13] opportunities which are again listed

[33:15] here and we plotted them on a map based

[33:19] on the impact of implementation and the

[33:22] effort required to implement them based

[33:25] on the scores that we had given

[33:28] and we can see the top two which is to

[33:30] explore the possibility of sharing

[33:32] resources and developing a financial

[33:34] model is towards the top which is where

[33:37] the impact of implementation is high and

[33:40] the effort is between low to

[33:46] medium

[33:48] okay from this point we'll take you

[33:50] through the service profiles Bruce do

[33:53] you want to walk them through the

[33:54] service profile thank you SAA

[33:58] so if you remember uh part of our

[34:01] engagement was to inventory your

[34:03] services and we did that by creating

[34:06] what we call service profiles so you can

[34:10] see there is a column on the

[34:12] left which

[34:14] identifies principally the budgetary

[34:18] information

[34:20] associated with the delivery of this

[34:22] specific service which is in this case

[34:25] development services

[34:27] and then the remainder of the page is

[34:30] broken into four quadrants the upper

[34:33] left quadrant describes the

[34:35] service the lower left quadrant provides

[34:39] some benchmarking and performance

[34:41] information so you can see how the cost

[34:45] of a building inspection per household

[34:48] compares to your

[34:51] peers on the top right we include a

[34:55] graph which looks at the service level

[35:00] standard for each of the services within

[35:03] development so you can see there's

[35:05] building inspection there's planning and

[35:08] there's blue

[35:09] flag and what we do is we map the level

[35:13] of service against the service type so

[35:16] the service type is broken into four

[35:19] groups the first one is

[35:21] mandatory which means that there is a

[35:24] piece of provincial legislation that

[35:26] says the municipality shall deliver that

[35:29] service there's also essential Services

[35:33] which are like mandatory except there's

[35:36] no piece of legislation legislation

[35:39] dictating the municipality deliver the

[35:41] service so a common example in a larger

[35:44] municipality would be public

[35:47] transit third type of service is

[35:49] traditional and that's uh class of

[35:53] service which as the name suggests

[35:56] municipalities traditionally deliver for

[35:58] example Arenas and finally there is the

[36:02] other discretionary type service which

[36:04] makes that particular service unique and

[36:09] special in comparison to its peers and

[36:13] mpal blue water has one of those

[36:15] Services here and it's the blue flag

[36:19] service

[36:20] below the graph you can see the

[36:23] rationale and the rationale explains the reason for the service level

[36:29] assessment and the service type so we

[36:33] have completed a number of service

[36:35] profiles for all the different Services

[36:37] the municipality delivers and they're

[36:40] included within this final

[36:43] report so do you want to take us now to

[36:47] the final section of the report which is

[36:49] the

[36:53] budget EXC

[36:59] oh sorry we have the financial operating

[37:01] model perhaps you can explain the the

[37:04] model we developed for the

[37:06] municipality sure so as part of our

[37:08] deliverable what KPMG did was we created

[37:12] a predictive model for for for the

[37:15] municipality of blue water and what this

[37:17] is it's an Excel spreadsheet where we

[37:21] can predict the 10-year Capital forecast

[37:24] for the

[37:25] municipality we took in data historical

[37:28] data the fin from the financial

[37:30] information returns and we created key

[37:32] inputs um which which the work was

[37:34] already done so we created through

[37:36] taxation reserves your grants we

[37:38] incorporate all that information we

[37:41] created a tool which can be used to

[37:43] predict what your Capital Financial

[37:46] requirements would be in the next 10

[37:48] years so and what would the impact on of

[37:53] on Levy would be if you were to choose

[37:55] certain Capital expenditures so it's an

[37:57] interactive tool we developed this we

[38:00] Shar it with staff and management uh we

[38:02] received good feedback from them um

[38:04] suggested a few changes which have been

[38:06] incorporated as well so we hope that

[38:09] this will be a a great help to the

[38:11] municipality in the coming

[38:18] years Bruce and the final piece of the

[38:21] final report is the budgeting

[38:25] process so son if you want to take us

[38:28] there yes thank you so we understand

[38:31] through staff that Council has been at

[38:34] the Forefront of thinking about how to

[38:37] redo the budget process and you

[38:40] recognize the importance of completing

[38:43] your Budget prior to the end of the

[38:46] calendar year in order that the

[38:48] municipality can get out into the

[38:51] marketplace and Achieve Optimum pricing

[38:54] on its Capital Construction tend

[38:58] ERS and I think the council and the

[39:01] municipality are to be congratulated for

[39:04] thinking that way because it's a

[39:07] Innovative approach to Service

[39:12] delivery so you can see here that we

[39:15] have proposed a budget process that will

[39:18] allow you to achieve a approved budget

[39:22] before the end of December

[39:25] 31st and it's a

[39:28] six meeting process so it starts the

[39:32] week of November 1st with what we call

[39:36] the cap first capital budget meeting and

[39:38] we start with the capital budget because

[39:41] as I'm sure council's aware the capital

[39:44] budget drives your operational budget

[39:46] the decisions you make around what

[39:49] Capital Equipment you might purchase or

[39:51] what capital projects you might tender

[39:54] will impact the cost of service delivery

[39:57] so that's why we start with the capital

[39:59] budget and we suggest you start a the

[40:03] first week of November and in that

[40:06] meeting that your CIO will lay out a a

[40:09] small presentation on the financial

[40:11] state of the municipality and review

[40:14] some of the key capital projects for the

[40:16] coming

[40:18] year it's important here for Council to

[40:21] also know that the capital budget that

[40:23] is presented is balanced financed and

[40:26] sustainable

[40:28] the second capital budget meeting occurs

[40:31] the following week and this gives

[40:33] Council a chance to think about the

[40:36] draft capital budget presentation and to

[40:39] ask questions and debate and the goal

[40:42] for this second meeting should be that

[40:45] by the end of the meeting you have

[40:47] provisionally adopted the capital

[40:51] budget once the capital budget has been

[40:54] approved on a provisional basis you move into the first meeting for the

[40:59] operational

[41:01] budget and that in that meeting you'll

[41:04] review your expenditures and revenues

[41:06] and the proposed tax levy increase and

[41:09] possible drivers behind the changes to

[41:12] these

[41:13] numbers the operational budget should

[41:16] also incorporate any changes that may

[41:18] come about from the capital budget and

[41:20] reflect council's Direction on tax levy

[41:24] increases the following week so the

[41:26] fourth meeting there will be a second

[41:28] operational budget well and that will

[41:31] provide Council a chance to really roll

[41:33] up his sleeves and ask tough questions

[41:36] on the

[41:37] proposed operational expenditures and

[41:40] revenues for the coming

[41:42] year and the goal here as like the

[41:45] second capital budget meeting is to

[41:47] provisionally adopt the operational

[41:49] budget and this will allow staff then to

[41:52] take the draft capital and operational

[41:56] budgets out vot to the public and

[42:00] present them to the public in a public

[42:03] meeting and that usually occurs in the

[42:06] first week of

[42:08] December following that public meeting

[42:11] the feedback of the public is

[42:12] incorporated into the budget and so that

[42:17] at the council meeting in the second

[42:20] week of December Council formally adopts

[42:24] the capital and operational budget by

[42:26] bylaw

[42:29] so this is a

[42:30] proven and

[42:32] successful process for achieving a uh

[42:37] operational and capital budget by

[42:40] December

[42:42] 31st so your worship that completes our

[42:46] presentation of the final report and we

[42:49] would be pleased to take any questions

[42:51] or answer any questions that you might

[42:53] have or Council might have tonight

[43:07] sorry about that everyone um yes uh uh

[43:10] thank you for that uh report uh before

[43:14] we go to council um I'm going to open it

[43:16] up to the staff who have worked with you

[43:18] um My Hope Is I guess if they have some

[43:20] comments it may have less questions for

[43:22] us tonight or or new questions as

[43:24] counselors so um uh Lori well I'll I'll

[43:28] let you do the chairing of of of our

[43:30] senior staff I'll be

[43:32] that okay well um just overall I'd like

[43:36] to thank uh Bruce pever SAA Malik Jal

[43:40] Francis Hassan John um all we all of

[43:44] whom managers have worked with to

[43:46] provide this Service delivery review

[43:48] that you're seeing this evening um the

[43:51] final report we have includes analysis

[43:54] with comparators and recommendations to

[43:56] us for future opportunities to be

[43:58] considered over time to improve

[44:01] operations the addition of the

[44:03] predictive capital budget model is a key

[44:06] tool that Council has requested and

[44:09] which we are very pleased to have as we

[44:11] move into the budget season for

[44:14] 20121 um this report has shown that blue

[44:17] water is doing well and that Council the

[44:20] treasurer and managers have provided

[44:21] Good Financial oversight and stewardship

[44:24] to ensure that we are providing good

[44:27] service and value to Residents property

[44:29] owners and Blue

[44:30] Water um as you can see theyve provided

[44:34] a road map for us to take away and use

[44:37] and again we thank them you can see it's

[44:40] a living these are living tools that

[44:43] will uh continue to incorporate and uh

[44:47] for example the service profiles will be

[44:49] able to use every budget season to

[44:52] compare uh what we're doing um against

[44:55] previous years and and um so that's very

[45:00] worthwhile as of course as I said is the

[45:03] compar the predictive modeling Financial

[45:06] tool that they've

[45:07] produced um I don't think we will um

[45:11] have um managers speak to the service

[45:15] profiles this evening and but we can

[45:17] carry them forward into our budgeting

[45:19] process and um they can uh each manager

[45:23] can respond in their uh particular area

[45:26] to uh what the profiles say so um I I

[45:31] think um that would be the best in terms

[45:33] of time time management this

[45:40] evening unless counselors have questions

[45:45] specifically councelor wetstone I

[45:47] actually do have a couple questions if I

[45:51] could and I guess this is uh relating to

[45:54] and I just want to make sure to

[45:56] understand it thank you for the top 10

[45:57] opportunities some of them are uh uh

[46:00] ones that I'm not surprised in so that's fantastic it's sort of uh

[46:05] reiterates the point of of some of the

[46:07] thinking that some of the counselors

[46:08] have had so for example on number one

[46:11] when you talk about the shared

[46:13] purchasing um and it has between 90k to

[46:17] 450k in potential

[46:19] savings so when you look at things like

[46:23] that do you look at um for example man

[46:28] hours so if we were to be teaming up

[46:31] with here in County now all of a sudden

[46:33] we would there would have to be some

[46:34] sort of shared Arrangement where we

[46:35] would be paying them for their employee

[46:38] to do some of that work are those those

[46:41] labor hours included uh within those

[46:44] cost

[46:46] savings your worship to the counselor

[46:50] actually the approach we are thinking

[46:52] for shared services around purchasing or

[46:55] procurement was for the county and the

[47:00] municipality to issue similar uh tenders

[47:05] together so basically be joint tenders

[47:08] okay so there wouldn't be a cost there

[47:10] should not be a cost to the municipality

[47:12] of Blue Water you know both the county

[47:16] and the municipality for example

[47:18] purchased salt and other common

[47:22] Municipal materials and there's no

[47:25] reason why the two municipalities

[47:28] couldn't work together on that type of

[47:30] joint procurement to achieve greater

[47:32] economies of

[47:34] scale understood okay thank you that

[47:37] clears that up for me a little better I

[47:38] want to understand that um the budgeting

[47:41] process um you know we don't week meet

[47:44] weekly on a normal basis but what I can

[47:46] tell you is anybody that's been sitting

[47:48] on Council since I've been on I've been

[47:49] pushing for an early budget since day

[47:51] one uh fi our finance people can uh

[47:54] attest to that as well so hopefully this

[47:56] will be something something that we can

[47:57] look at and maybe we can adopt it uh I

[48:00] know this year we're getting we're we're

[48:01] getting closer uh it looks like we might

[48:03] uh might be it's never early enough for

[48:06] me I'd I'd love to have it done and set

[48:08] December 1st and tenders out for next

[48:10] year within the month of December and

[48:12] everything else too but uh I have to

[48:14] understand workload and how we get

[48:15] through everything as well too but this

[48:16] is a good start I appreciate uh the bit

[48:18] of a road map for that as well thank

[48:23] you that's all the questions or comments

[48:25] I had for now

[48:36] sorry there any other counselor's

[48:38] comments at this time um I will be

[48:40] looking for a motion that we receive

[48:42] this for information as so as uh then we

[48:46] can uh start working on it and uh but

[48:50] this point is there any other questions

[48:52] or comments to our presenters

[48:58] hello hello everybody can hear me okay

[49:01] uh yes we're uh how are you doing now uh

[49:04] we're we're just doing we're just

[49:05] finishing up uh the second committee

[49:08] report and then we'll get to you how's

[49:13] that

[49:15] okay thank

[49:17] you I'm looking for a motion then uh

[49:20] councils that if we want to move forward

[49:21] with this report we need a motion to

[49:23] accept it for information this evening

[49:25] counselor is anyone prepared prepared

[49:27] councelor wal sorry sorry mayor can I

[49:30] just ask one question please oh for sure

[49:33] even if we get it seconded we'll still

[49:35] have question okay is there a second

[49:38] just I'll get that out of the way if

[49:39] there is councelor Harris Council Harris

[49:41] thank you okay councelor venberg go

[49:43] ahead y thank you mayor just going back

[49:46] to uh to Bruce then in the weeks um I

[49:51] think it was let's say week number five

[49:54] where the public can ask question s and then the following week

[49:59] is basically the the budget gets passed

[50:01] or so but does that give everyone enough

[50:04] time from the public to ask questions

[50:08] and if there are any little hiccups or

[50:12] so or or something pops up that the

[50:15] staff can still implement the changes

[50:18] for Council to review and and pass at

[50:21] the end of week number six I think it

[50:23] was week number six cor right

[50:28] uh your worship to the counselor yes uh

[50:31] we have found that it does provide

[50:34] enough

[50:36] time the amount of work

[50:39] though should not be

[50:41] underestimated by staff and counsel in

[50:44] actually engaging the public so there

[50:48] you know before week or before the

[50:52] public meeting in week one of

[50:54] December there has to be some work in

[50:57] setting up the public meeting ensuring

[51:00] that you have the right staff there and

[51:04] they proper advertisement is undertaken

[51:07] to get a turnout if I could provide some

[51:10] advice at least in your greater Toronto

[51:12] area don't try and hold a public meeting

[51:15] on the budget the same night the mle are

[51:17] playing for example so uh that's the

[51:21] kind of you have to think it through but

[51:24] generally we have found that you do get

[51:27] good feedback and there is enough time

[51:29] to incorporate that feedback from the

[51:33] public

[51:36] okay any other questions at this time

[51:39] and we have our uh two people SAA and

[51:42] Bruce here that worked on this well and their team of

[51:47] course if not uh if I'm sure if there is

[51:49] questions down the road our staff will

[51:52] help fill in and also Lori and I'm I'm

[51:54] sure they could probably uh if there's

[51:57] questions that stump them they could

[51:58] probably talk to Bruce or someone and get it clarified I I see a nod thank

[52:03] you okay well um on behalf of council I thank you uh for your work um you uh

[52:11] you did entertain the public uh you had

[52:14] lots of feedback from our community of

[52:16] blue water which uh I uh I hope was a

[52:19] wasn't a surprise I hope it was pleasant

[52:22] it U I think it's been a pretty good

[52:25] process so so um at this time if there's

[52:28] no questions yet at this point I'm going

[52:31] to call the question on that we accept

[52:33] this for information and start working

[52:35] towards our goals as I think uh Lori

[52:39] said it's a living

[52:41] document are we prepared to uh call the

[52:45] question hearing no uh nays I'm going to

[52:48] call the question all in favor of

[52:50] receiving this report for information hi hi any opposed hearing none the

[52:57] motion carries thank thank you and and

[53:00] thank everyone look forward to working

[53:02] with this uh with this report now and in

[53:04] the future thank you thank you your

[53:07] worship it's been a pleasure serving the

[53:08] municipality of blue water it's been a

[53:10] really enjoyable experience and I wish

[53:12] yourself and Council a very Merry

[53:15] Christmas and and same to you take care

[53:19] by bye bye head out

[53:22] bye okay uh Chandra

[53:26] have we uh got our ABCA on uh on track

[53:31] here I think we have Mary

[53:33] now can you hear us

[53:36] Mary she did get in she did get

[53:41] in Mary can you hear

[53:45] us I can't hear you if I'm supposed to

[53:48] talk we can hear you you can hear me

[53:51] okay great oh go ahead

[53:54] then um I won't know if everybody can

[53:58] see my slides can people see my slides

[54:01] if I put them up no okay share

[54:07] screen okay can people see my slides now

[54:09] okay

[54:12] great and I'm going to go

[54:14] slideshow

[54:16] beginning okay so thank you very much uh

[54:19] for inviting me to speak to uh Council

[54:22] and the mayor tonight I uh just wanted

[54:25] to provide a quick update about some of

[54:27] the reports that we did for the March

[54:30] 2020 fiscal uh year end in March uh of

[54:34] this earlier this year we at the healthy

[54:37] watersheds Department um work with h the

[54:40] communities and agencies to um uh work

[54:44] on local

[54:46] Watershed interests and issues and we

[54:49] often get try to get some funding and we

[54:51] have reports due in March of the year so

[54:54] this particular March uh when we were in

[54:56] lockdown uh we were quite busy with a

[54:58] number of reports I shared those reports

[55:01] with the with the board of directors at

[55:03] the asso Bayfield and July and they

[55:04] asked me to speak to some of the reports

[55:08] with your all the councils so tonight um

[55:11] in here Blue Water just a little

[55:14] reminder of the healthy Watershed

[55:16] program at the asso Bayfield um it

[55:18] started in 2000 and it really was in

[55:22] response to local um Community interest

[55:25] in uh environmental issues and a need to

[55:28] engage the community with uh local

[55:31] actions and then monitor how effective

[55:33] those those actions are um so that

[55:36] program has been running since the year

[55:39] 2000 this is just an overview of the

[55:42] asabo Bayfield jurisdiction so we're

[55:44] 2400 kilm square with the Bayfield River

[55:48] 500 kilm square going in at Bayfield of

[55:50] course and the asao river starting up in

[55:52] Stafa and going out um at Port Frank's

[55:56] um

[55:57] the municipality of Blue Water I have

[55:59] overlin here on this map showing that

[56:01] for the most part the area of your

[56:04] jurisdiction is uh mostly Shoreline

[56:07] tributaries smaller tributaries that

[56:09] flow directly to the lake but there's

[56:11] also a part of the Bayfield River and

[56:13] actually some of the headwaters of the

[56:17] asabo so on to the reports uh for 2020

[56:22] um these reports really are uh reporting

[56:25] on some of the biology and water quality

[56:27] and land use issues that are in our

[56:29] jurisdiction um as I mentioned we do try

[56:33] to get uh funding from other levels of

[56:35] government so that every dollar that is

[56:38] provided to the assab we can try to

[56:39] raise it three times or more depending

[56:41] on whether or not we're able to uh

[56:44] leverage uh landowner uh projects and

[56:47] stewardship support landowner projects

[56:48] and stewardship with additional funds um

[56:51] of course we are continuously working

[56:54] with the different communities so the

[56:55] community of Bayfield gr bent down in

[56:58] Port Franks but also some of the Inland

[57:01] communities in lukan Elsa Craig Nar um

[57:04] and Rural Farm rural non-farm issues and

[57:07] also um agricultural issues so I'm just

[57:10] going to talk on a three um of these 12

[57:13] different reports I'm just going to

[57:14] speak to three of them this evening uh

[57:17] one on Wetlands one on Shoreline

[57:20] education and one on uh an unique

[57:23] project that we have um in Clinton

[57:29] so the first is the first topic is uh is

[57:32] Wetlands um and this report we did for

[57:35] the asao river but this the same

[57:38] findings could be true for different

[57:40] parts of our jurisdiction and we know

[57:43] that in wetlands and developed

[57:44] Landscapes are hard to maintain we have

[57:47] a very low amount of wetlands wetlands

[57:50] in our Watershed at about probably 2%

[57:52] where originally the Watershed might

[57:54] have had 20%

[57:56] um we know there are different

[57:57] approaches to try to get more Wetlands

[57:59] on the landscape some of them are

[58:01] related to policy and some of them are

[58:03] related to stewardship um what we know

[58:06] from a policy perspective is because the

[58:08] definitions of wetlands are are

[58:11] extremely um variable um the policy

[58:15] interpretation of those definitions make

[58:17] it very hard uh in some cases to

[58:20] maintain those very small Wetlands on

[58:22] the landscape uh sometimes we don't even

[58:25] notice when they're Disturbed so it's

[58:29] very important to maintain uh the

[58:33] existing Wetlands because we know that

[58:35] they have wet uh water quality benefits

[58:38] they have flooding benefits and they

[58:39] have um biodiversity benefits however uh

[58:43] one other tool some other tools that we

[58:46] found to have some success with is

[58:48] supporting uh land owners with their own

[58:51] interests in um enhancing some of the

[58:53] wet areas on their fields or in their

[58:56] wood lot so this particular picture I

[58:58] have here shows a redeveloped wetland in

[59:01] a very small corner of uh somebody's

[59:03] field that wasn't wasn't very productive

[59:06] and so they've taken it out and now they

[59:07] have this place that they can enjoy and

[59:09] this was near narn we also know that

[59:12] when we support um stewardship and

[59:15] helping folks with their Wetlands that can have a multiplier effect by

[59:20] engaging adjacent or neighboring land

[59:23] owners and this example is in the near

[59:25] um Southwest part of our Watershed where

[59:28] we did undertook a fairly large Wetland

[59:30] restoration project um and then

[59:34] corresponding neighbors or adjacent

[59:36] neighbors engaged with us to um employ

[59:40] some other further best management

[59:41] practices and also get support and

[59:44] recognition from a tax perspective on

[59:47] their on their

[59:49] Wetlands the next report that I just

[59:51] want to update the council about is uh

[59:55] this um encouraging more natural

[59:56] shorelines along the luron coast this

[59:59] was more of a understanding of some of

[1:00:02] the communication gaps that exist along

[1:00:04] our Shoreline um I'll preface this by

[1:00:07] saying I'm not a coastal engineer or a

[1:00:10] coastal um uh expert I'm a I'm a

[1:00:13] watershed biologist but we did work with

[1:00:16] our local communities to better

[1:00:18] understand some of the um uh gaps in

[1:00:21] Communications that could be filled um

[1:00:24] so what we found was that um some of the

[1:00:28] factors that would contribute to uh a

[1:00:31] less than ideal natural storeline conss

[1:00:34] are that there's obviously a significant

[1:00:36] level of existing development along our

[1:00:38] Shoreline there's um a limited

[1:00:42] understanding of the cumulative effects

[1:00:45] of uh certain kinds of practices along

[1:00:47] the shoreline and there's uh lack of the

[1:00:51] kinds of technical information that

[1:00:52] would help with certain policies that

[1:00:55] would be based on cumulative effects

[1:00:57] that would able enable us to better

[1:01:00] understand some of the costs of

[1:01:01] different activities on our Shoreline

[1:01:03] and be able to discuss the discuss those

[1:01:07] with um people that that live on the

[1:01:09] shoreline with respect to what are the

[1:01:12] costs to the natural processes what are

[1:01:14] the costs to um adjacent neighbors and

[1:01:17] what are the costs even to themselves of

[1:01:19] certain

[1:01:22] practices the final project I just want

[1:01:25] to provide an update to council about is

[1:01:28] uh the Heron view demonstration farm

[1:01:31] this um demonstration Farm is behind the

[1:01:34] here on Perth public health unit and um

[1:01:38] working in 2008 we worked with various

[1:01:43] Partners to make um restoration of the

[1:01:46] flood plane uh we put in some grass

[1:01:49] waterways we put in a Terrace um there

[1:01:52] was some restoration of some additional

[1:01:55] um near a small Creek that went in and

[1:01:59] at just after um 2008 the hon County

[1:02:02] Soil and crop Improvement Association

[1:02:05] and um approached the county and there

[1:02:08] was a agreement to rent that land for a

[1:02:11] dollar a year and the the soil and crop

[1:02:14] um Farmers started to use cover crops

[1:02:18] reduce tillage and nutrient management

[1:02:21] practices um in they did find however

[1:02:24] they were still having um issues with

[1:02:26] erosion and felt that tile drainage

[1:02:28] would help to uh support the kinds of

[1:02:31] activities they wanted to undertake

[1:02:33] there so in

[1:02:35] 2018 um a a proposal was submitted to

[1:02:40] support an Innovative child drainage

[1:02:42] project that project went in the ground

[1:02:46] um in June 2019 and you can see here

[1:02:49] some of the different aspects of that

[1:02:51] design where we're looking at a

[1:02:53] different kind of uh innovative drainage

[1:02:56] Contour control drainage versus

[1:02:58] systematic drainage and uh no tile area

[1:03:02] uh so we're looking at um that over the

[1:03:04] more short term and of course also

[1:03:07] looking at the the impact of um or the

[1:03:10] effect that the wetlands also have on

[1:03:12] Downstream water quality I encourage

[1:03:14] folks to visit the the her on view site

[1:03:17] it's in a lovely location right on the

[1:03:19] Bayfield River and um there's lots of

[1:03:22] interesting things happening there

[1:03:26] uh I just would like to close by um

[1:03:29] going through a couple

[1:03:31] little pieces of how this community

[1:03:34] supported monitoring enhances our local

[1:03:36] environment we have noticed over the

[1:03:38] last 20 years a great deal of people um

[1:03:41] very interested in nature certainly we

[1:03:42] saw that at the beginning in March when

[1:03:44] people were really making quite a bit of

[1:03:46] use of our conservation areas we have

[1:03:49] also learned a lot more about best

[1:03:51] management practices on both

[1:03:52] Agricultural and urban best management

[1:03:54] practices and we've been doing some

[1:03:56] monitoring to demonstrate the

[1:03:58] effectiveness of some of these uh

[1:04:00] practices to better understand how

[1:04:03] effective they are and to also figure

[1:04:05] out where the best places for these

[1:04:07] practices would be of course um ongoing

[1:04:10] discussion and Outreach and Community um

[1:04:14] involvement helps to have uh informed

[1:04:18] Community about some of the different um

[1:04:21] biology and water quality issues that

[1:04:23] are in their local environment and we do

[1:04:25] summarize some of this information on an

[1:04:27] ongoing basis in our uh Watershed report

[1:04:30] cards which I provided a link here for

[1:04:33] the different um smaller watersheds

[1:04:35] within the Asawa Bayfield

[1:04:37] area so just uh thank you very much to

[1:04:41] counil for um having me speak tonight

[1:04:44] and uh encourage you to if you're

[1:04:47] interested to follow up about some of

[1:04:49] the reports I'd be more than glad to

[1:04:51] provide with any answer any answers to

[1:04:54] your questions tonight

[1:05:01] Mr

[1:05:06] Mayor about that I should add my little

[1:05:09] mouse here sorry um any questions to uh

[1:05:14] ABCA tonight counselors on this

[1:05:19] report I think it's pretty

[1:05:21] straightforward thank you for uh for uh

[1:05:24] reminding us what work uh you've done

[1:05:27] not only this year but obviously over

[1:05:29] the years we appreciate that I need a

[1:05:32] motion uh to accept this report for

[1:05:34] information is there anyone prepared to

[1:05:36] do

[1:05:37] that councelor

[1:05:40] venberg

[1:05:41] seconder councelor Becker councelor

[1:05:44] Becker before I call the question is

[1:05:46] there anyone wish to make any

[1:05:51] comments okay I'm going to call the

[1:05:53] question all those in favor accept this

[1:05:55] report for

[1:05:56] information hi I any opposed motion

[1:06:01] carries thank you and I gather you can't

[1:06:03] hear us but uh job well done thumbs up

[1:06:08] thank you

[1:06:10] okay uh that concludes our delegations

[1:06:13] and presentations we're now on consent

[1:06:16] agenda which is a number of them

[1:06:19] 5.1

[1:06:21] to 5.25

[1:06:25] is there anyone wish to pull any out for

[1:06:29] discussion

[1:06:33] counselors not hearing any I'd like to

[1:06:35] pull out 5.11 for some comments and

[1:06:38] that's the

[1:06:39] ABCA approved budget for

[1:06:44] 2021 is there any others at this

[1:06:49] time okay um and what I uh the budget of

[1:06:54] course is we're all uh we've got the

[1:06:56] report from Bayfield con from

[1:06:59] ABCA and um it says that uh we had a a

[1:07:04] slight decrease of approximately

[1:07:07] 1% in the um in the budget and and

[1:07:11] that's a fact the numbers are there but

[1:07:14] I am taken back a little bit um when you

[1:07:18] look at the uh the breakout uh project

[1:07:21] Levy and general Levy and you refer it

[1:07:23] back to the 2020 budget and I noticed

[1:07:26] that Trend last year so I I the numbers

[1:07:29] were pretty close but when you look back

[1:07:31] at last year the general Levy which to

[1:07:33] me is your operating I I I write that as

[1:07:36] sort of the operating there's obviously

[1:07:38] issues that are deal with great things

[1:07:40] that we do in the conservation Authority

[1:07:42] there's no question but last year it was

[1:07:46] $237,000

[1:07:48] $451 this year it's it's

[1:07:52] 24555 which is an increase of 70

[1:07:56] $600 and a little over $7,600 which is

[1:08:01] about a 3%

[1:08:03] increase and that is that's going to be

[1:08:05] there next year embedded in in the in

[1:08:07] the program when you look at the gr uh

[1:08:10] look at what we call Project Levy and

[1:08:12] I'm working on the assumption that those

[1:08:14] are the real nuts and bolts of what a

[1:08:16] lot of us think when we think of

[1:08:18] conservation it's making sure the dams

[1:08:20] are working it's making sure that

[1:08:22] there's a flow of water can be U happen

[1:08:26] moning monitoring things and doing those

[1:08:29] type of projects but it's actually

[1:08:31] decreased from last year uh it was $

[1:08:35] 61,63 last year so when you look at that

[1:08:39] that's an 18%

[1:08:41] decrease and my sense is that projects

[1:08:44] seem to go up and

[1:08:46] down uh I think uh probably ansur not

[1:08:50] asking her to comment but I but from a

[1:08:52] standpoint us as Council if we uh and

[1:08:55] you could see from the kmg report KPMG

[1:08:59] report we've had years of very high what

[1:09:03] I call capital projects so I could

[1:09:06] probably say to people hey we we

[1:09:09] decreased your taxes a lot this year uh

[1:09:12] but then when they find out that well

[1:09:14] the snow plowing isn't done on every

[1:09:16] other Thursday I think a lot of people

[1:09:19] would be calling me and saying I was a

[1:09:21] little bit uh uh you know that was a bad

[1:09:24] decision uh

[1:09:26] they they expect that we do spend money

[1:09:28] so just on the principle of it I really

[1:09:32] think this is not the way I would do it

[1:09:35] to the taxpayers of of the municipality

[1:09:38] of Blue Water i w I would wish that the

[1:09:41] my wish is that we be a bit more

[1:09:43] upfront uh operating which is they

[1:09:46] called General Levy it's gone up by

[1:09:49] 3% and the only reason we see a decrease

[1:09:52] is because there the actual projects

[1:09:54] have dropped 18% this year and I want I

[1:09:58] just want to be assured that residents I

[1:10:00] am looking at these budgets carefully I

[1:10:03] am totally support that we uh

[1:10:05] conservation Authority is a good thing

[1:10:06] to have back in 49 the government made a good

[1:10:11] decision uh but it also said that the

[1:10:14] local lower tiers are to be very much

[1:10:17] part of the process and be in charge and clearly this is one area of budgets

[1:10:22] that uh that you know I think we need to

[1:10:24] reflect that so so I just wanted the

[1:10:26] rate payers to uh to to see this that

[1:10:30] it's um that really it was increaseed by

[1:10:33] 3% the operating and that's what I

[1:10:35] wanted to get on the record uh obviously

[1:10:38] um Council has not

[1:10:41] officially passed a motion to support

[1:10:44] the budget uh that's a process that uh I

[1:10:47] guess we're supposed to do I don't know

[1:10:49] if we want to do that tonight but I

[1:10:50] wanted to get that on the record I

[1:10:52] appreciate council's time if there's any

[1:10:55] other comments on it that's fine too I

[1:10:57] open the floor thank

[1:11:02] you so if I could if I could just

[1:11:04] comment on that uh mayor Klo with

[1:11:08] regards to the increase in the general

[1:11:10] Levy um there's no significant increase

[1:11:13] to the ongoing operations and stuff like

[1:11:15] that a lot of that has just got to do

[1:11:17] with the general increase in costs from

[1:11:19] year to year because there'll be an

[1:11:21] increase in wages and benefits just

[1:11:23] because of the change in CPP EI and

[1:11:25] those kind of things and also um similar

[1:11:29] to what happens here if people are

[1:11:30] eligible for red movements for years of

[1:11:33] service and stuff like that that that

[1:11:35] also ends up reflecting in the operating

[1:11:37] budget and and I think that makes my

[1:11:40] point uh how we do things here when we

[1:11:43] tell people in the public oh we

[1:11:45] decreased the the cost to run the

[1:11:47] government you you point out and we have

[1:11:50] it right in the reports there's a

[1:11:52] distinction between operating and and

[1:11:54] capital projects and that's as I think

[1:11:57] needs to be happening also at ABCA it

[1:12:00] it's deceiving to me to the general

[1:12:03] public when they read oh we had a

[1:12:05] decrease in the in the operation of ABCA

[1:12:09] well we did but it was basically that

[1:12:11] there's less projects being done which again most people think it's

[1:12:15] projects it's the road getting paved

[1:12:17] it's it's those things uh in our case so

[1:12:21] I I I do appreciate that and that drives

[1:12:23] my point home further that I think it

[1:12:25] needs to be stated a little clear to the

[1:12:30] public okay if there's nothing else I'll

[1:12:33] uh I'll look for a motion if there's

[1:12:35] nothing else wishes to be pulled at this

[1:12:37] time from the budget I'm looking for a

[1:12:39] motion to accept the consent

[1:12:42] agenda so moved councelor Walden

[1:12:46] seconded

[1:12:48] by councelor

[1:12:52] vanenburg Mr Mayor yes go ahead

[1:12:55] um a question and this is to you

[1:12:58] probably for your input um what about

[1:13:01] that letter from hock Township regarding

[1:13:04] the tile drain loans did do you have any

[1:13:06] comment on

[1:13:07] that I I don't I don't know you know I I

[1:13:10] okay I see what it says but what what

[1:13:13] are your what's your thoughts on that

[1:13:15] well we actually headed up at the county

[1:13:17] I don't know if you were in on on that

[1:13:19] at that moment that's in trouble we're

[1:13:20] not in the same room sometimes you you

[1:13:22] miss things so well I I I have no

[1:13:24] trouble supporting that um the

[1:13:27] tile the tile Lane loans are really

[1:13:31] relatively high in fact I I think if the

[1:13:32] government is doing it at this point

[1:13:34] they're they're probably making money at

[1:13:36] it uh because I'm I'm sure the

[1:13:39] government of Ontario going from my past

[1:13:41] experiences on actually in this ministry

[1:13:45] we could get money a whole lot even at

[1:13:47] that time we were getting money about 1%

[1:13:50] less and that was back in the in the the

[1:13:52] old days the 1990s well I know that we

[1:13:56] as farmers and and and the general

[1:13:58] public you can get well a young fellow

[1:14:00] told me other day rid his loan for his

[1:14:02] house and it's

[1:14:03] 1% uh now uh obviously it's for two or

[1:14:08] three years but point taken so yeah I

[1:14:11] have no trouble with that if someone

[1:14:12] wishes I mean at any time the counselors

[1:14:14] want to bring it out and vote on it I

[1:14:16] don't I did ask the question I didn't

[1:14:18] bring it up but I appreciate yourself

[1:14:19] sir so if you wish to have it pulled and

[1:14:21] voted on that's fine I'm the motion

[1:14:24] hasn't passed yet

[1:14:26] okay well um you know if it's still in

[1:14:28] order um yeah I think I would like to

[1:14:30] support it okay and I would move to

[1:14:33] support that thank you so we're pulling

[1:14:35] out

[1:14:36] 5.24 for a separate motion and it's been

[1:14:40] uh requested by our Deputy Mayor is

[1:14:43] there a seconder can I deal with that

[1:14:44] right now Chandra is that how we can do

[1:14:46] it I would just pull it um take care of

[1:14:50] the consent agenda and then we'll deal

[1:14:52] with uh 5.24 well then that's what we'll

[1:14:54] do I'm looking for the flow we haven't

[1:14:56] had one of these for a while so thank

[1:14:58] you okay if that's the deputy mayor nods

[1:15:01] he understands that we're not ignoring

[1:15:03] them okay uh we have a motion then for

[1:15:06] the rest of the consent agenda councelor

[1:15:09] Walden made the motion is there a

[1:15:11] seconder councelor

[1:15:13] venberg all those in favor of all the uh

[1:15:17] consent agenda except

[1:15:19] 5.24 say

[1:15:21] I I any Nays hearing none motion carries

[1:15:26] we're looking at 5.24 resolution

[1:15:28] Township of ho tile Loan program is

[1:15:32] there a mover and a second we have a

[1:15:34] mover Deputy Mayor is there a

[1:15:37] second councelor Becker will

[1:15:41] second everyone uh read the motion or

[1:15:44] read the the letter the

[1:15:47] request seeing I think everyone's

[1:15:49] nodding their they have I'm going to

[1:15:51] call the question all those in favor say

[1:15:53] I I

[1:15:55] any

[1:15:56] opposed none the motion carries thank

[1:15:59] you very much for that we are now on six

[1:16:03] correspondence for Action Blue Water

[1:16:05] Area Family Health Team funding request

[1:16:08] councilors you have read this I'm

[1:16:14] sure is there

[1:16:16] any direction comments and then

[1:16:20] Direction I'm looking

[1:16:23] for Mr Mayor may I make a comment yes

[1:16:26] you can Mr Mayor uh I appreciate and

[1:16:29] really respect blue waterer uh Area

[1:16:32] Health family

[1:16:33] team it's an asset in our

[1:16:36] community um I just have a question we

[1:16:40] seem to be getting options to uh get

[1:16:44] Federal and provincial assistance with

[1:16:46] our covid extra efforts and my question

[1:16:50] would be uh with blue waterer Family

[1:16:52] Health Team have they reached out and

[1:16:55] requested for some of that assistance is

[1:16:56] there some available at this stage I

[1:16:59] wouldn't want to vote positive or

[1:17:01] negative on this I would like to find

[1:17:03] out if there's something available for

[1:17:04] them at that level because we didn't get

[1:17:06] extra funding as a municipality to fund

[1:17:09] them but perhaps there's something

[1:17:11] provincially I don't I don't know I'd

[1:17:12] like to find that out okay is

[1:17:17] um I know that that staff had been

[1:17:20] talking to

[1:17:21] them uh uh is there anything can add to

[1:17:25] his question or do we need to have uh

[1:17:29] this brought forward to them through you

[1:17:32] your worship um there is nothing that

[1:17:34] they have received to date that they

[1:17:36] were able to tell us about

[1:17:40] okay um any other counselor's comments

[1:17:44] that's councelor wetstone here

[1:17:47] um I do know that uh um I did connect

[1:17:53] them with Bruce power as well to for

[1:17:55] potential of PPE because Bruce Power has

[1:17:58] a program in place I'm not sure what the

[1:17:59] results were of that at this point in

[1:18:02] time um so maybe there was some success

[1:18:05] there from a PPE perspective I am I am

[1:18:08] quite surprised that the provincial or

[1:18:10] federal government hasn't provided money

[1:18:13] to these type of services I guess you

[1:18:17] might want to call it

[1:18:20] um and as councilor Walden stated you

[1:18:23] know we haven't been and receed of

[1:18:25] additional Monies to help support

[1:18:27] locally as well too so maybe they're

[1:18:29] treated something differently compared

[1:18:31] to hospitals compared to everything else

[1:18:33] I'm not sure but yeah I'm surprised that

[1:18:35] there hasn't been anything that's put in

[1:18:36] there on that it's worth

[1:18:40] exploring yeah um we're listening to our

[1:18:45] you know the federal government had a uh

[1:18:47] I'm gonna call it an interm budget

[1:18:50] update I'm probably using the wrong word

[1:18:52] but it was last week um I did take a a

[1:18:56] point I made a point to listen to it uh

[1:18:59] again probably affected us a bit and the billions and it is billions that

[1:19:07] they're um that they're spending and and

[1:19:09] they causing a deficit and one of the

[1:19:11] questions was what

[1:19:13] about Co costs and they said we're not

[1:19:16] worried about the deficit we're going to

[1:19:17] be getting all the bills paid words to

[1:19:21] that effect I'm paraphrasing obviously

[1:19:24] so

[1:19:25] I'm not

[1:19:26] sure you know maybe to obviously today

[1:19:29] they haven't got funding but um the

[1:19:32] federal government says that help is on

[1:19:33] the way and so I I have a I really do

[1:19:36] have

[1:19:37] a I do have a problem with tonight

[1:19:41] making a a supporting a motion to spend

[1:19:43] money public money when we also have our our cost too and and I'm hoping that

[1:19:50] you know it isn't

[1:19:52] our we're not in the healthcare business

[1:19:54] The Province and the provincial

[1:19:56] government so and federal government

[1:19:59] mayor clot may I add to that yes okay go

[1:20:03] ahead thank you um I have been

[1:20:05] corresponding with Paula croll the

[1:20:06] executive director there who has in an

[1:20:08] email to me told me that the Ministry of

[1:20:11] Health does not provide additional

[1:20:13] funded for covid protective equipment or

[1:20:15] additional Staffing costs due to the P

[1:20:18] pandemic and we did reach out to the

[1:20:20] local MP's office who corroborated that

[1:20:23] as well um

[1:20:25] so um Paula croll also provided a

[1:20:28] breakdown of costs and uh I know that

[1:20:32] the contact that councelor wetstone

[1:20:34] provided and a representative of the uh

[1:20:39] of Blue Water Health have been in

[1:20:41] contact with each other about the

[1:20:43] specifics of of the PPE which does not

[1:20:47] speak to some of the um Staffing time

[1:20:50] that they're requesting which is uh for

[1:20:52] screeners at the door but um they are

[1:20:56] working with um with a person at Bruce

[1:21:00] power to get some of the PPE right

[1:21:06] now yeah and Mr Mayor go ahead uh thank

[1:21:11] you and I I find that um you know

[1:21:15] unacceptable for a provincially funded

[1:21:17] Medical Clinic not to be covered for for

[1:21:20] their cost related to co and I'm just

[1:21:22] going to give you a little anecdotal

[1:21:24] information here from uh from the here

[1:21:27] in Perth public health unit as you know

[1:21:30] I sit on that board and and um at at

[1:21:33] this point we have not received any

[1:21:36] extra money out of out of the budgetary

[1:21:39] money that was already approved for Co

[1:21:43] but in fact the uh the health unit or

[1:21:48] here per health unit is keeping track of

[1:21:50] that uh of that extra cost they're

[1:21:53] funding it currently out of the current

[1:21:55] Year's budget because they're not able

[1:21:57] to deliver all of the other programs

[1:21:59] that they would normally deliver so they

[1:22:01] are covering the cost but there is an

[1:22:03] expectation from the Ministry of Health

[1:22:05] and it has been informally communicated

[1:22:08] that uh they are going to receive any of

[1:22:11] those extra costs so you

[1:22:15] know I the health unit could say right

[1:22:18] now no they haven't received it but

[1:22:20] there is an expectation that they're

[1:22:22] going to so I find that if if there

[1:22:24] isn't any expectation from this uh this

[1:22:28] health ha on in this in this health

[1:22:30] clinic if there isn't any expectation to

[1:22:32] receive that extra funding we need to do

[1:22:34] some lobbying for them um because it

[1:22:37] should be funded as you have mentioned

[1:22:39] it should be funded from the higher

[1:22:40] levels of

[1:22:43] government yeah and this surely won't be

[1:22:46] the only family health Team we we also

[1:22:49] have the CHC we have like as you know

[1:22:51] we're we have what what about even

[1:22:53] private do so yeah I think there's got

[1:22:56] to be some momentum there I'd like to

[1:22:59] believe them I think I believe the

[1:23:00] minister not I'd like to I think I think

[1:23:02] she was very clear that they're they're

[1:23:04] spending billions and and that yes it

[1:23:06] takes a while to get things done and

[1:23:08] they all that so um are we I would

[1:23:12] entertain I'll I'll throw this out to

[1:23:14] staff to to to counselors would you uh

[1:23:17] defer this for till a later date or or

[1:23:21] another decision um Mr Mayor go ahead I

[1:23:25] would make a motion to defer this uh to

[1:23:28] a later date to uh further investigation

[1:23:31] if funding is available because there

[1:23:34] are uh screeners and at every single

[1:23:37] medical facility we don't have the funds

[1:23:40] to support all these facilities but we really owe it to the Bluewater Health

[1:23:45] Team to try to Lobby or whatever you

[1:23:48] said to find something so I make a

[1:23:49] motion to defer decision on

[1:23:52] this to defer decision to a later date

[1:23:56] to we find out uh more details about uh

[1:23:59] go higher levels of government

[1:24:01] funding okay chander is that um um a

[1:24:06] good

[1:24:08] motion not a good motion you got to vote

[1:24:10] Yes or no just the

[1:24:13] process um yes I think that that's it it has a date it gives sort of an it

[1:24:19] doesn't have a date but the referral

[1:24:20] doesn't have to have an actual date does

[1:24:23] it

[1:24:25] I if if I could councelor

[1:24:27] wetstone we're about to get into budget

[1:24:31] deliberations why don't we defer it to

[1:24:34] our budget deliberations because that's

[1:24:35] where it's going to come out of anyways

[1:24:36] if we do anything is one of our

[1:24:38] budgets yeah he does have a that part we and counselor I think we picked up on

[1:24:43] Deputy Mayor saying that we should be

[1:24:45] lobbying because it isn't just them

[1:24:47] they're not the only family health Team

[1:24:49] this is a big issue

[1:24:51] so uh which

[1:24:54] is that what you're also gonna what I

[1:24:56] take from your motion councelor

[1:24:58] wal that that would be fine uh but not

[1:25:03] just that like I would like just to find

[1:25:05] out if we can Lobby if there's a letter

[1:25:08] we get sent as support or something to a

[1:25:11] provincial uh Member of Parliament as

[1:25:13] well but definitely if we put a date on

[1:25:15] it until budget or or it gives a bit of

[1:25:18] a an hand on it I would agree to that

[1:25:20] yes all right we we'll say budget that

[1:25:24] covers is that thank you councelor

[1:25:25] wetstone and councelor walon for working

[1:25:28] that out and um and then further twoo

[1:25:31] we'll we'll do some lobbying that's

[1:25:32] still part of your motion yes sir okay

[1:25:36] everyone clear on the

[1:25:37] motion do we have a seconder oh sorry we

[1:25:40] need a seconder yes thank you I didn't

[1:25:43] write that down is there a seconder for

[1:25:45] his

[1:25:48] motion Deputy Mayor second thank you all

[1:25:52] right um are we clear on the motion any

[1:25:56] dis further discussion on the

[1:25:58] motion hearing none I'm going to call

[1:26:00] the question all those in favor say

[1:26:03] I any any

[1:26:06] opposed hearing none the motion

[1:26:08] carries uh

[1:26:11] 7.1 uh we're at 7.11 zoning bylaw

[1:26:16] amendments Hannah is she back on there

[1:26:19] she is how are

[1:26:22] you okay Hannah um and this is uh file

[1:26:27] Zed

[1:26:29] 09-20 part Lot 25 Bayfield Road

[1:26:31] concession Stanley

[1:26:33] East all right thank you mayor um I will

[1:26:36] just share my

[1:26:39] presentation so as stated um the next

[1:26:42] application is for uh a zoning bylaw

[1:26:45] Amendment um the subject lands uh were

[1:26:48] previously severed uh as a result of

[1:26:50] consent application

[1:26:52] c4020 uh which was seen uh in late

[1:26:54] summer going into fall the property

[1:26:57] contains an existing grain elevator

[1:26:59] operation on it which is proposed to

[1:27:01] expand uh during the initial um consent

[1:27:05] uh the property that's highlighted um in

[1:27:08] blue here uh was severed um for the rest

[1:27:10] of the lands that were zoned at General

[1:27:13] agriculture uh so ag1 um and the

[1:27:16] rezoning that's before you tonight uh

[1:27:18] was required as a condition of consent

[1:27:20] and it's seeking um to take it out of

[1:27:22] the ag1 zone and put into the

[1:27:25] ag3 agricultural commercial industrial

[1:27:27] Zone uh with a special Zone added onto

[1:27:30] that um to

[1:27:31] recognize um reduced minimum yard

[1:27:34] Provisions for the existing structures

[1:27:37] as well as the proposed uh Silo and

[1:27:39] elevator uh uh leg which are proposed to

[1:27:42] be part of the expansion of the

[1:27:44] operation the reduced yard Provisions uh

[1:27:48] proposed are seven meters for the

[1:27:50] existing structures that are present in

[1:27:52] 2020 um so the was written this way just

[1:27:55] to recognize the structures at time of

[1:27:57] application uh a reduction to 7.8 meters

[1:28:00] for proposed B uh B Silo and 18 meters

[1:28:04] for the proposed elevator leg um and

[1:28:07] currently under the ag3 Zone um the

[1:28:09] interior sidey yard setback is uh 15 M

[1:28:13] or half of the height of the subject

[1:28:15] structure whichever one um is

[1:28:19] larger um so I'll just provide a site

[1:28:22] sketch um that was provided by the app

[1:28:24] showing the existing structures uh as

[1:28:26] well as the proposed Silo as well as um

[1:28:30] the elevator showing where the leg would

[1:28:32] be extending out to support the

[1:28:34] elevator um so the PPS um and the county

[1:28:38] and Blue Water official plans permit

[1:28:40] Farm related Industrial and Commercial

[1:28:42] operations such as this uh in Prime

[1:28:45] agricultural areas uh as well as

[1:28:47] official plan policy speak to

[1:28:49] compatibility between industrial and

[1:28:51] sensitive land uses um so just going

[1:28:53] back to the previous photo the uh as

[1:28:55] counselors may recall from uh the

[1:28:57] consent application there is a dwelling

[1:29:00] uh located on a separate property right

[1:29:02] uh here um just to the west of the uh

[1:29:05] grain elevator um as the ex as the

[1:29:08] operation is expanding a noise study was

[1:29:10] required to be completed with respect to

[1:29:12] the sensitive dwelling uh the study was

[1:29:15] deemed to be within the limits of the

[1:29:16] MPC 300 limits uh which is set out by

[1:29:19] thee guidelines uh for their D6

[1:29:22] guidelines uh such there are no adverse

[1:29:25] impacts anticipated uh the proposed

[1:29:28] resoning rezoning conforms to the county

[1:29:30] and hereon official plans in terms of

[1:29:33] the reduction for the interior sidey

[1:29:35] guard setbacks there's no anti

[1:29:36] anticipated adverse impacts um from this

[1:29:40] um the reductions represent a reduction

[1:29:42] of approximately uh 7 uh to 10.5 meters

[1:29:46] for each of those structures um just

[1:29:49] because again going back to that

[1:29:51] original provision is based on the

[1:29:52] height of the structures

[1:29:54] um there are no um structures that are

[1:29:57] currently contained on the abiding

[1:29:59] property that shares this interior sidey

[1:30:01] yard uh as well any structures would

[1:30:03] need to um or sensitive structures would

[1:30:05] need to be placed um adequately far away

[1:30:09] from this um operation in terms of noise

[1:30:13] levels um so it is not expected that

[1:30:16] there would be any sensitive land uses

[1:30:18] um in which the reduction of the sidey

[1:30:21] yard would have a negative impact on uh

[1:30:24] I'll just provide some site photos of

[1:30:25] the current operation as it exists uh

[1:30:28] today Municipal staff have provided

[1:30:30] comment on the application uh citing no

[1:30:32] concerns and there were no comments

[1:30:34] received from Neighbors or members of

[1:30:36] the public uh so it is recommended that

[1:30:38] zoning bylaw Amendment application uh

[1:30:41] z920 be approved and I'm happy to answer

[1:30:44] any questions that Council may have okay

[1:30:47] thank you an is any questions to uh

[1:30:50] councelor Walden yes Mr Mayor Hannah um

[1:30:55] I understand that there's a dwelling

[1:30:57] probably zoned west of there but I

[1:30:59] believe currently there's not a dwelling

[1:31:01] there that I think the house has been

[1:31:03] down for a few months um but having said

[1:31:07] that the noise studies were done and

[1:31:09] they were acceptable so Mr Mayor I'd

[1:31:11] like to make a motion to to accept this

[1:31:13] application for this okay is there a

[1:31:15] second there backer okay thank you um

[1:31:19] but we do have to go through a little

[1:31:21] bit more of a process correct Anna is

[1:31:23] this is a public meeting uh yes I

[1:31:26] believe um the applicant and the

[1:31:28] potential buyer are present in the

[1:31:31] meeting if they I think so I see some

[1:31:33] people who wants to go first Peter

[1:31:35] or yeah I'm just here if there's any

[1:31:38] questions you know concerns if I can

[1:31:41] need to address them so okay you're

[1:31:43] satisfied with uh with what the report

[1:31:46] from Hannah has said oh yes okay is

[1:31:50] there anyone else wish to comment

[1:31:54] I already have a motion but go ahead

[1:31:56] Mike if I your worship yes M clarify on

[1:31:59] councelor Walden's uh comment he is

[1:32:02] correct the house has been removed

[1:32:03] however there has been a building permit

[1:32:05] issued for another residents to go on

[1:32:07] that basically same spot so there will

[1:32:10] be a residence going back there thank

[1:32:12] you but but they they will know that

[1:32:15] there's a elevator beside them they are

[1:32:18] aware yes okay it's the same same

[1:32:21] owners yeah they they were you know it

[1:32:25] obviously had to be done and and and the owners the new owners and all

[1:32:30] that have worked through it but it it is

[1:32:31] a bit frustrating from an from a

[1:32:34] business point of view in the country an

[1:32:37] elevator that's been there for it's been

[1:32:40] there a long time I grant you it's

[1:32:42] gotten bigger smaller whatever but it's

[1:32:44] still been an elevator dryers Etc and

[1:32:48] especially maybe knowing the area

[1:32:50] knowing the owners that that were beside

[1:32:53] each other it seems a little frustrating

[1:32:55] that someone has to go through that step

[1:32:57] but that's done fair enough I'm I'm glad

[1:33:00] it I'm glad that the ministry said it's

[1:33:03] okay uh that's I guess the most

[1:33:05] important part so is there anyone in the

[1:33:09] public wish to comment uh on this

[1:33:11] process as it is a public meeting and

[1:33:13] we're changing the zoning

[1:33:15] bylaw I have I have no members of the

[1:33:18] public here tonight to comment okay I

[1:33:21] see some faces on my screen but I

[1:33:23] appreciate they're there to listen in or

[1:33:25] whatever so fair enough thank you um

[1:33:28] then are we prepared then can I call for

[1:33:30] that motion to come forward if there's

[1:33:32] no other questions of counselors to

[1:33:35] uh to the uh

[1:33:38] owners I'm going to then assume that we

[1:33:41] can call the uh the question it was

[1:33:43] first it was there is a motion on from

[1:33:46] councelor Walton second by councel

[1:33:47] Becker that we do approve as per the

[1:33:50] recommendation of the zoning bylaw

[1:33:52] Amendment

[1:33:54] I'm going to call the question all those

[1:33:55] in favor of the amendment please say I I any opposed hearing none the motion

[1:34:03] carries Hannah what's is there anything

[1:34:06] we need to do next or comments y um we

[1:34:09] just have the second motion with respect

[1:34:11] Publican agency

[1:34:13] comments um so I do recommend um that

[1:34:16] Council select option 2A that no public

[1:34:19] comments were received on this

[1:34:20] application so there was no effect on

[1:34:22] the decision um and that um option 3 be

[1:34:26] selected that agency comments were

[1:34:28] received in support of the application

[1:34:30] the effect of which results in the

[1:34:31] decision to approve the

[1:34:34] application okay I need a mover for the

[1:34:36] for 2 a and three I believe she said so moved councelor Walen seconded by

[1:34:41] councelor

[1:34:43] venberg all those in favor of the motion

[1:34:46] please say I I all any opposed hearing

[1:34:51] none the motion carries is there any

[1:34:53] comments you need to talk uh process

[1:34:56] here uh yep um so Peter and Wayne um

[1:34:58] your next step is you'll soon receive a

[1:35:00] notice of decision uh that outlines

[1:35:03] appeal rights so there is a 20-day

[1:35:04] appeal period um after which the zoning

[1:35:07] bylaw will be enforced in effect um and

[1:35:09] then you will have another condition

[1:35:11] fulfilled on your original consent

[1:35:14] application thank you thank you uh both

[1:35:18] for your uh working through this with

[1:35:19] staff we appreciate it um it is a it is

[1:35:22] the process I guess

[1:35:25] okay Merry Christmas to you take care

[1:35:29] right out

[1:35:30] bye okay consent application file c81

[1:35:35] D20 lot 178 plan 265

[1:35:41] Hensel go

[1:35:43] ahead um so as stated uh the next is for

[1:35:47] consent Opti C

[1:35:49] 8120 uh the subject lands are located at

[1:35:52] 176 King Street in Hensel the ls are

[1:35:56] designated residential in the Blue Water

[1:35:58] official plan and are zoned residential

[1:36:00] medium density Zone R2 in the Blue Water

[1:36:03] zoning

[1:36:06] bylaw um so this is a current site photo

[1:36:08] of the property um Council should be

[1:36:11] aware that um the property is currently

[1:36:13] under construction in support of a semi

[1:36:15] detached dwelling um the semi detached

[1:36:18] dwelling has already been granted a

[1:36:19] building permit on the subject lands um

[1:36:22] as this is already um permitted as a

[1:36:25] right in the

[1:36:26] zone um so this was done prior to the

[1:36:29] consent application um the consent

[1:36:32] application is not necessarily needed to

[1:36:34] facilitate the construction of the semi

[1:36:36] uh but the applicant does have desire to

[1:36:39] have each unit of the semi be separately

[1:36:41] conveyable in the future and they would

[1:36:43] also like to facilitate having separate

[1:36:46] utilities uh for each unit um so just so

[1:36:49] that council is aware uh that'll help to

[1:36:51] provide some context to some of the

[1:36:58] um so in terms of the actual um

[1:37:00] Severance so the uh Severance

[1:37:02] application is seeking um to split the

[1:37:04] lot uh directly in half um so along uh

[1:37:08] what'll eventually be the common wall

[1:37:09] between the semidetached dwelling um so

[1:37:12] each a lot both severed and retained

[1:37:14] will have an area of approximately 400

[1:37:16] square meters uh which is around

[1:37:19] 4,370 sare feet each and the frontage of

[1:37:22] each um lot will be uh approximately 9 M

[1:37:26] or just under 30 ft um and that'll be

[1:37:29] for a total of just under 18 meters uh

[1:37:33] for the entire building in terms of the

[1:37:35] analysis for the severance um in terms

[1:37:38] of looking at the provincial policy

[1:37:40] statement the hon County official plan

[1:37:41] and the Blue Water official plan uh they

[1:37:44] both direct developments such as this uh

[1:37:46] towards designated areas with um within

[1:37:48] settlement areas uh such as Hensel um

[1:37:51] the subject lands are located within the

[1:37:53] residential designation um the intended

[1:37:56] Severance is promoting infill

[1:37:58] development and mixed dwelling types and

[1:38:00] does permit um severances to support

[1:38:02] residential development uh specifically

[1:38:05] section 9.1 of the Bluewater official

[1:38:07] plan addresses uh General land division

[1:38:10] policies um one of which includes that

[1:38:12] development shall be in accordance with

[1:38:14] provision of the zoning bylaw um so the

[1:38:18] proposed uh Severance as well as the

[1:38:20] existing um uh uh structure that is

[1:38:24] under construction on the um property uh

[1:38:27] does comply uh with the requirements of

[1:38:29] the zoning bylaw I'll just go into

[1:38:31] further detail about that um so the R2

[1:38:33] Zone um also permits the uses within the

[1:38:36] residential low density Zone uh which

[1:38:39] includes um a semidetached dwelling uh

[1:38:42] the units are proposed to be identical

[1:38:44] in terms of their placement on the lot

[1:38:45] and dimensions um within um um so the

[1:38:49] Zone area

[1:38:51] minimum um in this uh for semidetached

[1:38:53] dwellings is 270 square m for each unit

[1:38:57] um with a lot size of 406 square meters

[1:39:00] which in this case is equivalent um to

[1:39:03] the Zone area um the proposed Severance

[1:39:06] is exceeding uh the required lot area uh

[1:39:10] as well the maximum Zone coverage is 40%

[1:39:12] for each unit uh the proposed Severance

[1:39:15] will result in a Zone coverage of

[1:39:16] approximately

[1:39:18] 29.6% for each proposed lot uh so it is

[1:39:21] meeting um The Zone coverage provision

[1:39:23] ision uh so the zoning bylaw also

[1:39:25] provides for a minimum Frontage um this

[1:39:28] is expressed in terms of the context of

[1:39:30] the entire semidetached dwelling uh so

[1:39:33] the entire building for both units which

[1:39:35] is a minimum of 15 meters the current

[1:39:38] Frontage is 18 meters for the entire

[1:39:40] building um and is not proposed to

[1:39:42] change as a result of the severance so

[1:39:44] this part of the zoning provision is met

[1:39:46] uh there are other relevant Zone

[1:39:48] Provisions for the proposed development

[1:39:50] that will not change as a result of the

[1:39:52] severance um so this is things like um

[1:39:55] interior yards interior yard setback uh

[1:39:59] front yard setback um rear yard setback

[1:40:02] all of which um are met and comply with

[1:40:05] the blue water uh zoning bylaw uh

[1:40:08] furthermore uh all properties must AB

[1:40:10] but um a public road uh the proposed

[1:40:12] severed and retained Lots will both have

[1:40:14] access to King Street um and the hon

[1:40:17] County Public Works has already provided

[1:40:19] entrance permits uh for both Lots uh

[1:40:23] given the or sorry for both units uh

[1:40:25] under the understanding that they will

[1:40:27] eventually the intent is to sever them

[1:40:30] to create two new laws um in terms of

[1:40:33] Municipal comments I have summarized

[1:40:35] them here um as there were uh some

[1:40:37] important key uh key points that

[1:40:39] influence the conditions um the first

[1:40:42] one being that there will be two water

[1:40:44] meters and transmitters installed uh for

[1:40:46] each unit or each separate lot uh

[1:40:49] reflected by condition number eight and

[1:40:51] as built surveyor real report is

[1:40:53] required as condition number six um so

[1:40:55] this is to confirm um that the proposed

[1:40:58] interior lot line follows along um the

[1:41:00] common wall between the units and that is accurate uh a drywall is

[1:41:05] required to be installed in both of the

[1:41:07] rear yards for the proposed lot um to

[1:41:09] deal with drainage reflected by

[1:41:10] condition number nine uh as well uh

[1:41:13] outstanding taxes and condition number

[1:41:15] three 911 addressing is provided as per

[1:41:19] condition number four um staff also note

[1:41:21] that there are no Municipal drains on

[1:41:22] the subject lands and the fire

[1:41:24] department has no concerns uh as well as I spoke to earlier here on County

[1:41:29] Public Works has no concerns and has

[1:41:31] already granted uh entrance permits for

[1:41:33] each

[1:41:34] unit in terms of public um comments

[1:41:37] there were public comments received from

[1:41:38] four different households uh these full

[1:41:40] comments uh were all received by email

[1:41:43] and are included um in council's package

[1:41:45] I have summarized um the concerns in

[1:41:48] this table as well as um the applicants

[1:41:52] response uh as he did provide some

[1:41:54] response to some of the main concerns

[1:41:56] that were raised uh these have been

[1:41:58] conveyed to the neighbors and they are

[1:41:59] summarized as followed uh as well um the

[1:42:02] planner's comments have also been

[1:42:04] inserted so I'm just going to go over

[1:42:05] those um the first concern was just uh

[1:42:08] in terms of privacy for the adjacent

[1:42:10] land owners um the owner has advised

[1:42:12] that he plans to install a privacy fence

[1:42:15] um this has been reflected by uh the

[1:42:17] planner's recommendation for condition

[1:42:19] number 10 to require the privacy fence

[1:42:21] be constructed um the second concern was

[1:42:25] particular due to that um the severance

[1:42:28] may result in separate ownership of each

[1:42:30] unit uh which may result in separate

[1:42:33] maintenance and they did have some

[1:42:34] concerns with the look of this the owner

[1:42:37] has advised that the design is to be

[1:42:39] consistent between both units and the

[1:42:41] products on the exterior will have a

[1:42:43] 30-year warranty uh there was concerns

[1:42:46] about the movement of the existing

[1:42:47] hydrop pole I will just go back to the

[1:42:50] site photo um so the hydrop pole in

[1:42:52] question is located here uh the

[1:42:54] applicant has advised um that they

[1:42:57] intend to move it 1.5 met to the east um

[1:43:01] and that this will be maintained at 0.5

[1:43:03] meter setb from um their adjacent uh the

[1:43:06] adjacent property so the hydrop pole

[1:43:08] will remain uh on the subject lands uh

[1:43:11] as well there was a concern um from an

[1:43:14] existing neighbor uh due to as a result

[1:43:16] of the construction there was some

[1:43:18] excavation of soil that was piling up

[1:43:21] near the back of the lot um and they

[1:43:23] just had some concerns about runoff the

[1:43:25] owner has advised that they they intend

[1:43:27] to use this as backfill and it will be

[1:43:28] leveled out um a dryw will be required

[1:43:31] to be installed in the RAR yard of each

[1:43:33] unit uh to reduce the potential for

[1:43:35] runoff as

[1:43:37] well um one of the other particular

[1:43:39] concerns was from the northern property

[1:43:41] owner um just in terms of their access

[1:43:43] to their backyard gate and fence um so I

[1:43:47] did speak to both um the neighbor and

[1:43:49] the owner about this and I asked them to

[1:43:51] advise if there were any existing

[1:43:52] easement on the subject lands that gave

[1:43:55] access to um the backyard to the

[1:43:56] northern neighbor um just because he

[1:43:59] said it was a bit easier to um go

[1:44:01] through his neighbor's property to

[1:44:03] access his backyard and I did put them

[1:44:05] in uh I did ask if they if the northern

[1:44:09] owner would like to be put in contact

[1:44:10] with um the property owner of the

[1:44:13] proposed semi- detached dwelling so that

[1:44:15] they could initiate a conversation about

[1:44:16] this and potentially of a mutual

[1:44:18] agreement um and the owner has advised

[1:44:20] that he doesn't have any knowledge of an

[1:44:21] easan on title and as well um it is

[1:44:24] worth noting for council's clarification

[1:44:26] that the proposed development is to be

[1:44:28] contained within his own property um and

[1:44:31] that a survey will be required as a

[1:44:33] condition of consent to confirm that um

[1:44:36] there was also a public comment about

[1:44:37] the lot sizing patibility with

[1:44:39] neighboring properties um as noted in my

[1:44:43] report the proposed construction

[1:44:45] complies with the provisions of the Blue

[1:44:46] Water zoning bylaw uh and particularly

[1:44:49] as it um relates to setbacks of

[1:44:51] neighboring properties those are all met

[1:44:54] uh and as well they are not proposed to

[1:44:55] change as a result of the proposed

[1:44:58] Severance uh there was also other

[1:45:00] concerns about the construction noise um

[1:45:02] Municipal staff have been made aware of

[1:45:04] this and the owner has been advised of

[1:45:05] applicable bylaws concerning noise or

[1:45:07] other nuisances um what I will say to

[1:45:10] summarize public comments a a lot of

[1:45:13] them were uh in regards to the

[1:45:15] construction of the semi detached

[1:45:16] dwelling not

[1:45:18] necessarily um the severance or the

[1:45:20] splitting of the lot into two uh two

[1:45:23] separately conveyable Lots um however I

[1:45:27] think during this process it is good to

[1:45:29] um address some of uh the neighbor

[1:45:31] comments um so as such you know the

[1:45:33] privacy fence will be required as a

[1:45:36] condition of consent and uh these

[1:45:37] responses have been conveyed um to the

[1:45:39] neighbors uh but there are still

[1:45:41] existing outstanding

[1:45:44] concerns um so in terms of

[1:45:46] recommendation uh my planner report is

[1:45:48] recommending approval subject to the

[1:45:50] following conditions uh most of these

[1:45:53] conditions are standard um I will note

[1:45:56] ones that are um that may not be a

[1:45:59] standard uh for council's purposes um so

[1:46:02] number six providing an ebuilt surveyor

[1:46:04] real report to the satisfaction of the

[1:46:06] municipality um the intent of that is

[1:46:08] just to ensure that the proposed uh Pro

[1:46:11] interior property line uh does fall

[1:46:14] along uh the common wall of the

[1:46:15] semi-detached dwelling um as well

[1:46:18] servicing to water meters um and that a

[1:46:21] drywall be installed in the rear yard of

[1:46:23] each proposed lot so that's condition 8

[1:46:25] n in terms of other conditions number 10

[1:46:27] is that a privacy fence be constructed

[1:46:30] along the um existing interior side

[1:46:32] property lines um and the owner has um

[1:46:36] expressed that he does intend um to

[1:46:39] construct a privacy fence I am happy to

[1:46:41] answer any questions that uh Council may

[1:46:44] have

[1:46:59] oh sorry mayor I think you're

[1:47:09] muted thank you um yeah a question I

[1:47:13] have as pointed out this building was G

[1:47:15] ahead because under our rules and

[1:47:18] regulations they could build the

[1:47:19] building what they're asking for is to

[1:47:21] sever it with the drywall uh dry well

[1:47:24] was that would that have been uh already

[1:47:27] recommended to them regardless of the

[1:47:30] severance Mike maybe you can answer that

[1:47:32] yeah sure through you your worship yeah

[1:47:34] there's was currently a drywall on the

[1:47:37] North portion of that property uh that

[1:47:41] was permitted through the uh plans

[1:47:43] review process but as they're splitting

[1:47:45] the property in two it was felt that a

[1:47:48] drywall on each portion of that property

[1:47:50] would be required to ensure that no

[1:47:52] surface dra AG

[1:47:55] um discharges onto neighboring

[1:47:59] property okay thank

[1:48:01] you any other questions right now to

[1:48:04] Hannah or to Mike if not as this is a

[1:48:06] public meeting is the uh is the owner or

[1:48:10] applicant in this evening yes I do have

[1:48:14] Peter here so I I I see Peter H there is

[1:48:19] are you there yes I am uh pleasure to

[1:48:22] meet sir uh you're um are you um you've

[1:48:26] heard the recommendations are you

[1:48:29] satisfied with these recommendations yes

[1:48:31] I am okay any comments you wish to make

[1:48:35] to council not at this time no thank you

[1:48:38] counselors any questions to the uh to

[1:48:42] the

[1:48:43] applicant any

[1:48:45] questions thank you as this is a public

[1:48:48] meeting sir uh and I'm going to ask is

[1:48:51] there anyone in the Gallery wishes to

[1:48:54] comment uh with concerns or or support

[1:48:57] on this

[1:48:58] application I have no other members of

[1:49:00] the public registered to speak to this

[1:49:02] application okay uh note that there was

[1:49:05] no uh one came forward at the public

[1:49:08] meeting this evening thank

[1:49:10] you counselors is there any other

[1:49:13] general questions you have with this

[1:49:14] application to Mr Mayor go ahead coun

[1:49:18] yes I was waiting I was sorry I was

[1:49:20] waiting to hear uh the owner or if any

[1:49:23] public were to comment before uh I had

[1:49:26] any questions good go ahead um so just

[1:49:31] uh to start off with uh I am against

[1:49:35] this uh

[1:49:37] Severance um I have many questions

[1:49:41] and to start off with I find that it

[1:49:45] seems like a loophole to me to apply for

[1:49:48] a building permit for a semidetached

[1:49:50] home and once the foundation is in then

[1:49:53] apply for a sence after um if given um

[1:49:58] two lots in Hensel uh that have 30 feet

[1:50:02] of front 30 feet of Frontage uh I

[1:50:04] understand it's a very deep lot but 30

[1:50:06] feet of Frontage um you would not

[1:50:09] typically be able to uh build two

[1:50:12] properties on there um and still abide

[1:50:16] by the side lot um

[1:50:19] clearances

[1:50:21] um it's just

[1:50:24] I didn't have enough time to do a lot of

[1:50:25] research I'm not sure if those uh you

[1:50:28] know the condos and exter and stuff I

[1:50:30] think they're on owned land and leased

[1:50:33] property and how they and how those

[1:50:35] people buy those houses that are

[1:50:36] attached um maybe somebody can confirm

[1:50:39] that for me but it seems to me that 30

[1:50:44] foot Frontage is is really tiny

[1:50:47] considering so if that is two separate

[1:50:49] Lots 40 years down the road or let

[1:50:52] pretend or heaven forbid that the uh one

[1:50:56] place where to catch fire I'm not sure

[1:50:59] um how you would rebuild on that um

[1:51:04] giving that it's two separate laws um I

[1:51:06] know it was

[1:51:08] purchased um to have as a rental

[1:51:12] property

[1:51:13] um and and then once once the building

[1:51:18] started the severance was applied

[1:51:21] for I I don't understand how a builder

[1:51:23] can give 30-year

[1:51:25] warranty uh on Building Products um

[1:51:28] shingles siding whatever

[1:51:32] um and I'm concerned about two different

[1:51:36] owners owning the same house not having

[1:51:39] the same ideas on how is upkept

[1:51:42] um I have many opinions on this I I

[1:51:45] don't know how to explain them all but

[1:51:48] uh I understand Hannah's argument that

[1:51:52] it all falls in line with the blue water

[1:51:55] zoning

[1:51:57] bylaw but to me this just doesn't seem

[1:52:01] right okay well that's it's our that's

[1:52:04] why we have the the public meeting and

[1:52:05] the discussion as counselors uh

[1:52:08] reflecting U what what we think

[1:52:11] collectively in the in the community so

[1:52:13] that's counselor you you made your

[1:52:16] points uh at this time and I think In

[1:52:19] fairness like did a pretty good job uh

[1:52:22] so is is there other counselors um with

[1:52:25] another opinion or or whatever or or

[1:52:28] agreen it's counselors looking for

[1:52:31] discussion here

[1:52:37] clarification Mr Mayor yes go ahead um

[1:52:41] Mr Mayor I respect uh counselor from

[1:52:44] hensel's comments and I was listening to

[1:52:46] Hannah's

[1:52:48] input and I think I believe she said

[1:52:53] that the application is within

[1:52:55] compliance of our planning and uh the

[1:52:59] provincial planning um to for this sort

[1:53:03] of Housing and whether we don't like two

[1:53:08] owners or not we have duplexes and I

[1:53:10] believe they're allowed so that was just

[1:53:12] one of my concerns I'm not saying that

[1:53:14] it should say yes or no for it but

[1:53:18] because we don't like duplexes I don't

[1:53:19] know if we can do that or or we can we

[1:53:21] could say that but but if it's in

[1:53:23] compliance with the planning act we may

[1:53:26] want to think about that that's

[1:53:28] all uh Mike can I on some clarification

[1:53:32] here on some of these technical points

[1:53:34] can you help out or I don't want to try

[1:53:36] to put you at the spot but GNA put you

[1:53:38] on the

[1:53:39] spot no worries through you your worship

[1:53:44] um I think a good example of this style

[1:53:48] of of um Severance would be the Bayfield

[1:53:51] medals

[1:53:53] So within that subdivision they do semis

[1:53:57] they do triplexes and quads and their

[1:54:01] process is more of a lot part lot

[1:54:04] control um process but it's the same

[1:54:07] general idea so either way they're

[1:54:09] building a building and then they're

[1:54:11] sessioning it off when the foundation is

[1:54:14] in the ground um so it's not something

[1:54:17] new definitely to the municipality um

[1:54:20] but that that's a good example for you

[1:54:23] as for warranties and stuff like that

[1:54:25] yeah I have no comment on that Mike can

[1:54:28] I ask you a question through you Mr

[1:54:29] Mayor go ahead yes uh but in in Bayfield

[1:54:33] Meadows uh does the person that owns the

[1:54:35] house actually own the property the

[1:54:39] land

[1:54:41] yes okay yes I do now Bayfield Muse is

[1:54:46] different again right but this is more

[1:54:50] comparable to The Meadows

[1:54:54] okay um it is rather I it is rather

[1:54:59] strange but I guess it's it was uh it's

[1:55:02] there's always the technical things it's

[1:55:04] a long narrow property so they were in

[1:55:07] their right to start a building

[1:55:10] project and then coming and asking for

[1:55:14] this consent

[1:55:15] application I guess I would have been my

[1:55:18] sense would have been they would have

[1:55:19] started right off the bat I guess maybe

[1:55:21] how I would do it

[1:55:22] I would come to the municipality and say

[1:55:25] I have this lot I can build two lots but

[1:55:28] I'm I'm going to have them separed up

[1:55:29] front would councelor Harris would that

[1:55:31] have been maybe a little more for the

[1:55:34] neighbors and that to have the

[1:55:35] discussion a little more up

[1:55:37] front uh through you Mr Mayor uh

[1:55:41] definitely I just I think the Builder

[1:55:44] himself had the intention of selling

[1:55:46] them individually uh but would not been

[1:55:49] have been able to build the building

[1:55:52] that he is building now if the Lots were

[1:55:56] severed due to side

[1:55:58] setbacks um so he went ahead and got the

[1:56:00] permit to build a semi detached with the

[1:56:03] intent to sever uh

[1:56:08] after counselors any any questions to uh

[1:56:13] to the applicant or to Mike Hannah go ahead I see your hand up thank

[1:56:16] you yeah sure I will I'll just speak to

[1:56:19] the process again um I can't speak for

[1:56:21] the owners intent um but uh we did

[1:56:24] contemplate um after the building permit

[1:56:27] was granted with uh the owner two

[1:56:29] different options so Mike did speak to

[1:56:31] part lot control uh which is another way

[1:56:34] that you can uh split a lot and that's

[1:56:36] typically done again for these types of

[1:56:39] multi-unit uh structures the only caveat

[1:56:42] with that is at time of part lot control

[1:56:44] at time of application we require uh

[1:56:47] professional survey so the the builder

[1:56:49] needs to know exactly where um that lot

[1:56:51] line is going to be and exactly where

[1:56:53] their Foundation is poured um the owner

[1:56:55] was not at that point yet however they

[1:56:58] wish to uh proceed with getting separate

[1:57:01] utilities um moving forward with having

[1:57:04] two separate entrances so as such uh the

[1:57:07] consent process was posed um to Peter um

[1:57:11] with the intent that the survey is

[1:57:13] required as a condition of consent

[1:57:15] within one year of it being granted so

[1:57:17] it would provide him the time to uh

[1:57:20] provisionally be granted the consent and

[1:57:21] the for separate entrances and utilities

[1:57:25] uh with the intent that the exact survey

[1:57:27] and the surveyor's real report would

[1:57:29] follow within a year um so Peter was

[1:57:32] posed with those two options he decided

[1:57:34] to proceed um with um a consent um again

[1:57:38] I will note the one benefit of the

[1:57:40] consent process um to the public is that

[1:57:42] they are notified about it and I think

[1:57:45] this way you know Council was able to

[1:57:46] hear the neighbor concerns about this um

[1:57:49] with part lack control uh it's not as

[1:57:51] public as a process so no notice is

[1:57:54] given with that respect um in terms of

[1:57:56] the setback so the setbacks with the two

[1:58:00] um other existing properties as as they

[1:58:03] exist so the other two existing

[1:58:05] dwellings those setbacks are not

[1:58:07] proposed to change as a result of the

[1:58:09] severance and as well the new new

[1:58:11] interior uh lot line uh only doesn't

[1:58:15] require an interior yard setback so

[1:58:16] that's zero meters um so again it's

[1:58:18] going to follow along that built lot

[1:58:20] line um so as a result to the severance

[1:58:23] the setbacks are not required to change

[1:58:26] um so I will say um the building was as

[1:58:29] proposed complied with the zoning at

[1:58:31] time of building permit as well as uh

[1:58:33] time as consent

[1:58:34] application um and again you know in

[1:58:37] terms of what application the applicant

[1:58:39] chose to apply to first um you know

[1:58:42] that's up to them there's no set process

[1:58:44] that you need to do one ahead of the

[1:58:45] other um the building could have been

[1:58:48] granted without the consent uh and there

[1:58:51] just would have been lot

[1:58:55] there councelor Harris h thank you Mr

[1:58:58] Mayor if I may comment um yes Hannah I

[1:59:00] do understand that the interior lot line

[1:59:02] in the center uh is at zero meters my

[1:59:05] point is if that was two separate Lots

[1:59:08] you would have 30 feet to build two

[1:59:10] separate houses on and you would not be

[1:59:13] able to comply uh to a side Lot setback

[1:59:17] if it was two separate buildings on two

[1:59:19] separate lots that was my point on the

[1:59:22] centered on the center lot side back or

[1:59:24] Center Line set back um and to follow up

[1:59:27] with utilities um I'm I'm absolutely

[1:59:31] sure without having two separate

[1:59:33] properties you can have uh um uh

[1:59:37] separate utilities water and sewer I

[1:59:39] mean apartment buildings and uh three

[1:59:41] story walk-ups do it all the time um and

[1:59:45] they're owned by one person um so

[1:59:49] putting the reasoning for having

[1:59:51] separate utility and Sewer uh as for to

[1:59:54] separate the Lots uh I don't believe uh

[1:59:57] is a good

[2:00:01] excuse all right um counselors we uh we

[2:00:07] have I guess uh two options here uh Mike

[2:00:10] I guess is that correct or Hannah I

[2:00:13] guess uh it's either uh a motion

[2:00:17] to I guess there's three to defer or to

[2:00:21] approve or not approv um councilor there

[2:00:24] is anyone prepared to make a motion at

[2:00:26] this

[2:00:27] time I make a motion that we do not

[2:00:31] approve the severance okay is there a

[2:00:34] seconder for that

[2:00:38] motion is there a seconder for the

[2:00:42] motion third time is there a seconder

[2:00:45] for the

[2:00:46] motion I I'll second it just for further

[2:00:49] discussions councelor wetstone thank you

[2:00:51] counc

[2:00:53] um so I have a a question then if I

[2:00:55] could too yes I think you're gonna ask

[2:00:57] the question go ahead that's the reason

[2:01:00] why I second it so so and again I second

[2:01:04] it just for further discussion more than

[2:01:05] anything else so I'm looking at

[2:01:08] councelor Harris as

[2:01:11] to um he made the motion I did second it

[2:01:14] again for discussion as to why the

[2:01:20] motion if I may

[2:01:22] go ahead um I'm concerned excuse me I'm

[2:01:25] concerned about the condition of the

[2:01:28] property of what it may entail um we

[2:01:32] have some properties in around Hensel uh

[2:01:36] that uh uh were rentals and then got

[2:01:39] sold off um and this being on uh blue

[2:01:44] waterer Highway not on a side street I'm

[2:01:47] concerned that uh in 10 to 15 years um

[2:01:51] there's going to be blue siding on one

[2:01:52] side and yellow siding on the other um

[2:01:56] there's going to be uh one homeowner

[2:01:58] that likes to cut his grass and the

[2:02:00] other that doesn't I mean you get that

[2:02:02] from property to property I understand

[2:02:04] that but on a semi- detached home that

[2:02:07] can be uh right on 84 uh that could be

[2:02:12] possibly

[2:02:14] um uh just ugly I guess you could say um

[2:02:19] and I think if it had one owner that was

[2:02:21] rental which was his first

[2:02:24] intention

[2:02:25] um I think that person would have more

[2:02:29] control on on the condition and look the

[2:02:32] physical look of what that property uh

[2:02:36] is up

[2:02:40] kept thank you C is there any other

[2:02:45] comments to this

[2:02:47] motion

[2:02:49] counselors uh Mr Mayor yes go ahead go

[2:02:51] ahead Deputy uh thank you uh uh yeah I I

[2:02:55] mean I I I understand uh the concern and

[2:02:58] the points that have been raised but I

[2:03:01] don't understand those as far as the

[2:03:04] planning Act is concerned or this

[2:03:06] Severance and how it affects the

[2:03:08] severance and I think uh if we do not

[2:03:12] recommend and we're only recommending

[2:03:14] approval for this consent uh then uh

[2:03:19] we'll be going down we'll be going to

[2:03:21] alpat we'll be going through another

[2:03:23] hearing and and we'll be going through

[2:03:25] extra costs on that it does conform it

[2:03:29] is it took me some thinking to get

[2:03:31] through it but it is very similar to the

[2:03:34] uh Bayfield Meadows and we do that all

[2:03:37] the time and uh you know it's up to the

[2:03:39] owners to get together and we can't

[2:03:41] legislate good taste and color or

[2:03:43] shingles or anything like that so I

[2:03:46] think that I cannot support a letter a

[2:03:50] motion to deny

[2:03:52] okay um if I make uh if Council allows

[2:03:56] me just to maybe fed a little more where

[2:03:58] the deputy was coming from when when he

[2:04:00] said he's not sure about the legal

[2:04:03] process I I Look to Hannah and to Mike

[2:04:06] and you can bounce it off but okay the

[2:04:10] motion is to deny and it's denied what steps have what could steps be

[2:04:15] taken uh with the owner guess

[2:04:19] hypothetically or where you say could go

[2:04:21] goes to the county well I really goes

[2:04:24] the county but at this step here um yep

[2:04:27] um so blue water council's ability to

[2:04:30] approve recommend deferral in the case

[2:04:33] of a deferral it would be to get more

[2:04:34] information or to provide more time to

[2:04:36] resolve neighbor comments and then it

[2:04:38] could come back to Blue Water Council uh

[2:04:40] for further

[2:04:41] consideration um if you were to approve

[2:04:43] or deny uh or recommend approval of

[2:04:46] denial sorry uh as the deputy was

[2:04:49] stating it would go to the County

[2:04:50] Council for DEC ision um in theory if

[2:04:53] that were to be um approved uh the

[2:04:57] neighbors would H uh would also receive

[2:04:59] a notice and they would have a right of

[2:05:01] appeal to elpat uh alternatively if the

[2:05:04] application were to be Deni um the

[2:05:06] neighbors as well as owners would still

[2:05:08] have appeal rights um and in theory you

[2:05:10] know the owner could appeal this um to

[2:05:12] the alpad so that could be considered a

[2:05:14] process or alternatively um the

[2:05:16] applicant may choose to withdraw their

[2:05:19] application okay thank you

[2:05:22] um for the

[2:05:24] clarification uh all right so Council we

[2:05:29] have a a motion on

[2:05:32] table are we prepared to call a

[2:05:37] vote I'm going to call the vote the

[2:05:40] motion is to

[2:05:42] deny all those in favor say I okay all those in uh for um against

[2:05:54] the denial

[2:05:55] say

[2:05:57] n

[2:05:59] he hey there I heard two eyes for the uh

[2:06:05] for the denial and I heard more than

[2:06:07] four or five I think uh I heard

[2:06:09] definitely more Nays so U the the motion

[2:06:13] is defeated is there another

[2:06:20] recommendation Mr Mr Mayor I'll move

[2:06:22] that uh we approve uh we recommend

[2:06:25] approval of the uh of the consent and uh

[2:06:29] bearing in mind that there's always an

[2:06:30] appeal by any party all the way along

[2:06:33] the process thank you is there a

[2:06:36] second Mr Mayor I would second it

[2:06:38] seconded by councelor

[2:06:41] Walden is there any comments anyone

[2:06:44] wishes to make and I appreciate we've

[2:06:45] had great discussion but I as a chair

[2:06:48] I'll I need to ask again thank

[2:06:52] you any other

[2:06:55] comments hearing none I'm going to call

[2:06:57] the question all those in favor of

[2:06:59] approval of this uh consent to uh make

[2:07:05] it two

[2:07:05] lots all those favor say I I any any

[2:07:11] opposed

[2:07:13] Nate hearing the eyes and nay I declare

[2:07:16] that the motion

[2:07:18] carries and that's been approved

[2:07:23] um Hannah what's the next step here

[2:07:25] again uh yep um Peter um so your next

[2:07:28] step will be uh going to County Council

[2:07:31] um for decision um at the next available

[2:07:33] meeting will likely be um at the

[2:07:36] beginning of January so we will be in

[2:07:38] contact okay thank you okay thank

[2:07:42] you okay we're now at

[2:07:46] 7.2 good night Hannah uh take

[2:07:50] care uh we're now at

[2:07:53] 7.2 uh Mike Ross reports uh blue flag is

[2:07:58] the first one

[2:07:59] 7.21 blue flag application I can take

[2:08:03] that mayor okay thank you thank you so

[2:08:07] um Council it won't uh come as a

[2:08:10] surprise to you that uh staff is

[2:08:12] recommending not to input an application

[2:08:15] for a blue flag award at Bayfield Main

[2:08:18] Beach uh Bayfield Pier Beach uh for

[2:08:22] 2021 the um the beach is uh under great

[2:08:27] stress and in fact there is no parking

[2:08:31] and no basic amenities left uh that can

[2:08:34] would allow us to even qualify so I'm

[2:08:37] suggesting that the program be uh put on

[2:08:41] Hiatus for a year till we can see what

[2:08:44] happens the water levels but uh so staff

[2:08:48] is recommending uh that uh

[2:08:51] Blue Water apply for a blue flag

[2:08:55] application for the marina in

[2:08:58] 2021 uh I'm estimating the cost for the

[2:09:01] delivery of the program to be

[2:09:05] $642 and uh this year because of covid

[2:09:09] gathering restrictions Etc the uh

[2:09:13] programs were not delivered uh which

[2:09:16] then uh so that creates a uh Savings in

[2:09:20] 2020 that can be carried forward uh to

[2:09:24] 2021 that will result in a zero uh

[2:09:28] request for Zer for 2021 budget uh if we

[2:09:32] can roll over

[2:09:35] $642 from

[2:09:37] 2020 so Council my recommendation is

[2:09:41] that uh three recommendations one that

[2:09:44] Council approve the pro proposed budget

[2:09:48] for implementation of the blue flag

[2:09:50] program and the amount of

[2:09:52] 6,425 and refer to the budget process

[2:09:55] for information number two that Council

[2:09:59] approve rolling over

[2:10:02] $642 from the 2020 budget balance uh to

[2:10:06] the 2021 budget and number three that

[2:10:10] Council approved the submission of

[2:10:12] application for a 2021 blue flag award

[2:10:15] at Blue Water Marina in Bayfield to swim

[2:10:18] drink fish who is the Canadian operator

[2:10:21] of the international blue flag

[2:10:24] program okay counselors you've uh read

[2:10:27] this report I'm sure is there anyone um

[2:10:31] ready to speak on this or make a Rec

[2:10:33] make a a motion on

[2:10:38] recommendations councelor is looking for

[2:10:40] direction here councelor wetstone here

[2:10:43] yes go ahead so my comments on this is

[2:10:45] that you know yeah it's been definitely

[2:10:47] a struggle as as our leene is attest to

[2:10:49] for our beach here there's no doubt

[2:10:51] we're in serious trouble when it comes

[2:10:52] to that and actually our infrastructure

[2:10:55] that's associated with it um so this is

[2:10:58] the marina itself I mean I I I I do

[2:11:01] struggle even with it a little bit as

[2:11:03] well too as far as the blue flag um and

[2:11:07] the uh the impact that blue flag may

[2:11:10] have on on

[2:11:13] um having more impact a better impact

[2:11:16] you know those type things however when

[2:11:18] I'm looking at the budgetary

[2:11:21] issue that we have here um it's netting

[2:11:25] out at zero so I don't have an issue

[2:11:28] moving forward the uh I don't know if we

[2:11:30] have do we have to do three separate

[2:11:31] recommendations obviously I suspect but

[2:11:33] I have don't have an issue with at least

[2:11:35] uh you know moving forward the first one

[2:11:37] if that's the case if we how we want to

[2:11:39] do this so we're we're looking at a zero

[2:11:42] proposed budget so it's worth exploring

[2:11:43] and see what we can come up with this

[2:11:45] year again to help us out okay um I'm

[2:11:50] looking at Chandra for please I figured

[2:11:53] as

[2:11:55] much okay um all right is there someone

[2:11:57] willing to make the first motion then

[2:11:59] for discussion and vote I'll move the

[2:12:03] first recommendation councelor wetstone

[2:12:05] thank you second it councelor venberg

[2:12:10] discussion hearing none all those in

[2:12:12] favor of the first

[2:12:15] recommendation say I

[2:12:18] SEC nay hearing none motion

[2:12:22] carries uh recommendation number two

[2:12:24] that it be a a move to the uh

[2:12:28] 20 21

[2:12:30] budget is there a mover for

[2:12:35] that mover councelor venberg is seconded

[2:12:39] by councelor Harris councelor

[2:12:43] Harris

[2:12:45] discussion G to call the question all

[2:12:47] those in favor say I I any oppos

[2:12:52] hearing none motion carries we're now at

[2:12:54] number three Council approve the

[2:12:55] submission for application for the 21

[2:12:58] blue flag award for the

[2:13:01] marina is there a motion for

[2:13:06] that this time councelor wetstone your second councelor

[2:13:11] Walden councelor Walden

[2:13:15] discussion hearing none I'm going to

[2:13:17] call the question all in favor of the

[2:13:19] motion say i i i any opposed hearing

[2:13:26] none motion carries thank you all right

[2:13:30] thank you Marlene uh 7.22 erosion

[2:13:34] control shoreline protection

[2:13:37] policy and Council I believe Mike will

[2:13:42] be any questions or

[2:13:46] comments yeah through year year worship

[2:13:49] um I have four reports involving

[2:13:51] Shoreline protection the first one is um

[2:13:55] an erosion control shoreline protection

[2:13:57] policy so staff is asking Council to

[2:14:00] direct staff to prepare an Euros control

[2:14:02] policy a basically a comprehensive Co

[2:14:05] policy to be as transparent as we can um

[2:14:08] as we know we're or as we are getting uh

[2:14:11] more and more calls for shortland

[2:14:13] protection of Municipal property uh

[2:14:15] staff feels its best to be um

[2:14:17] transparent and and try to get this the

[2:14:20] process down pat and everybody knows

[2:14:22] what's going on uh moving forward what

[2:14:24] would be required from Council from

[2:14:26] staff uh to make this as easy as

[2:14:29] possible for everybody um within that

[2:14:31] report there's a bunch of bullets that

[2:14:33] are questions

[2:14:35] that questions that come to mind um when

[2:14:38] we when we need to look at this policy

[2:14:40] these won't be all the questions but

[2:14:41] these are definitely some of them um the

[2:14:43] first one being the biggest is what type

[2:14:45] of agreement uh does council wish to

[2:14:48] proceed whether it's a license of

[2:14:49] occupation agreement like we did with uh

[2:14:52] Mr McDonald on T Street and Bayfield or

[2:14:54] is it an agreement where the

[2:14:56] municipality undertakes uh the

[2:14:58] installation of these proposed Shoreline

[2:15:02] protection with the full cost going back

[2:15:04] to

[2:15:06] um to the requester basically uh this

[2:15:10] type two in my report is the preferred

[2:15:14] method from our legal council so just

[2:15:17] giving you a heads up on that rather

[2:15:19] than that throw out those bullets if you

[2:15:20] have any question questions regarding

[2:15:22] that um feel free to reach out okay

[2:15:27] thank you counselors comments councelor

[2:15:30] wetone here I do have a question for

[2:15:32] Mike if I could yep so item number two

[2:15:36] or Point number two under the

[2:15:38] agreement

[2:15:40] um this if I'm not mistaken Mike and it

[2:15:43] might be in the report something says I

[2:15:44] did read it if I'm not mistaken this

[2:15:47] would entail a lot of Staff time

[2:15:49] obviously a pilot St time and to the

[2:15:52] point with all the erosion as you

[2:15:54] mentioned happening and requests coming

[2:15:58] in I'm thinking we would probably be

[2:16:00] looking for additional Staffing would

[2:16:03] you not suggest

[2:16:05] that I don't think we current our

[2:16:07] current headcount could bear what we

[2:16:10] currently have that's my own opinion by

[2:16:11] the way but because these are not

[2:16:13] short-term type projects either right

[2:16:16] but it would just be staff like we would

[2:16:18] still have to review the propos OS

[2:16:21] drawings we would still have to draft

[2:16:22] the agreement all that would stay the

[2:16:24] same it would basically staffed on site

[2:16:26] not 100% of the time but making sure

[2:16:29] that the installation is done as per as

[2:16:32] per the drawing So currently the way it

[2:16:33] is with the license of occupation um

[2:16:37] staff doesn't get involved so basically

[2:16:38] they sign the agreement these are the

[2:16:40] drawings okay Carry On um but if if we

[2:16:43] were to undertake it then we would be on

[2:16:46] site ensuring that it's installed as per

[2:16:48] the design and confirming such during

[2:16:50] the process

[2:16:51] there will be more staff time but I

[2:16:53] don't think it's as

[2:16:54] orous as you're thinking it is fair

[2:16:58] enough and one further question or

[2:17:00] comment reading it in there is that with

[2:17:03] that one the municipality Bears the

[2:17:04] responsibility for the risk and the LI

[2:17:08] liability

[2:17:10] um that makes me nervous to be honest so

[2:17:15] you know there there's a whole reason

[2:17:17] why we uh we were doing the license of

[2:17:19] occupation previously that was to get

[2:17:21] away from liability was part of it

[2:17:25] anyways yes

[2:17:28] and you're correct the license of

[2:17:30] occupation does um have the

[2:17:33] requestor um provide insurance coverage

[2:17:36] um for the life of the wall as well as

[2:17:39] for maintenance and for security if that

[2:17:40] wall ever is removed now this other

[2:17:43] agreement definitely has not been

[2:17:44] drafted yet so it could be amended any

[2:17:48] way shape or form Council feel spit

[2:17:52] councelor

[2:17:55] venberg thank you mayor uh and to Mike

[2:17:58] how would full cost recovery how would

[2:18:02] that

[2:18:04] happen What would be the steps the way I

[2:18:06] foresee it happening again um this

[2:18:08] agreement has not been drafted and it

[2:18:10] has not been presented in front of any

[2:18:12] legal um but the way I see it happening

[2:18:14] is we get um an estimate of how it's

[2:18:17] going to um how much the cost would be

[2:18:21] and then um basically there' be a

[2:18:23] financial agreement between the

[2:18:24] requestor and the municipality they pay

[2:18:26] all

[2:18:28] cost um for the recovery of the

[2:18:31] installation and there would probably be

[2:18:33] Securities involved in that

[2:18:35] um so how would it be done um would have

[2:18:38] to be hammered out in the

[2:18:41] agreement okay I'm just I'm just going

[2:18:45] with bad thoughts and saying okay now

[2:18:47] it's time to pay up and people are going

[2:18:51] know we've got issues you know we don't

[2:18:55] have the ability to pay now we need time

[2:18:57] to pay um and maybe other lawyers

[2:19:01] getting involved in that so uh I'm

[2:19:05] thinking like that in regards to the

[2:19:07] number one bullet point license of

[2:19:10] occupation if we were to do that could

[2:19:14] we still ensure that

[2:19:16] staff um oversees it somewhat if if if

[2:19:21] it's going to be on Municipal property

[2:19:23] wouldn't we want staff to make sure that

[2:19:26] it is being done properly just like any

[2:19:30] other um build on any other property I

[2:19:35] guess yeah and that's what that's what

[2:19:37] our our lawyer advice was is that staff

[2:19:40] would be on site um and take you know

[2:19:43] undertake the entire installation um

[2:19:45] rather than just

[2:19:47] having the requester ensure that is done

[2:19:51] appropriately right um the previous

[2:19:53] license of occupation that was done I do

[2:19:54] not believe has a provision in there for

[2:19:57] any kind of a staff sign enough at the

[2:19:59] end

[2:20:01] um that's my understanding Lori if I'm

[2:20:03] incorrect please reach out um and

[2:20:06] furthermore back to your um question

[2:20:10] regarding how we receive payment of fall

[2:20:13] obviously the municipality would take a

[2:20:16] substantial security prior to entering

[2:20:18] into any kind of an agreement to make

[2:20:19] sure um that will be covered up to a

[2:20:23] certain point anyway and then there will

[2:20:25] be drafts or payments along the

[2:20:30] way okay thank you um any other

[2:20:34] questions of counselors Deputy Mayor Mr

[2:20:36] Mayor uh a couple questions or comment

[2:20:39] to Mike um if if this is going to be

[2:20:42] done on mici property obviously we want

[2:20:45] to have control of it or the

[2:20:47] municipality wants to have control of it

[2:20:48] and to ensure that it's done correctly I

[2:20:51] mean would you not have the engineer

[2:20:53] inspected as it was built and certify

[2:20:55] that it was built as per engineered why

[2:20:58] would we get into it we're not you know

[2:21:00] we don't know that everything was done

[2:21:01] why wouldn't we have just have the

[2:21:02] engineer certify it was done that's one

[2:21:05] question and the other question was we

[2:21:08] talked about liability you know what

[2:21:10] with joint and several liability in the

[2:21:13] municipal world uh all these claims go

[2:21:16] to whoever has the biggest pockets in

[2:21:18] the end and that would be the

[2:21:19] municipality there too so I mean we're

[2:21:21] always going to be on the hook somewhere

[2:21:23] so I mean I think that's we have to

[2:21:25] accept that as part of the risk and

[2:21:26] cover ourselves with the best agreements

[2:21:30] possible yeah I definitely agree with

[2:21:32] your with your second comment Deputy

[2:21:34] Mayor um as for your first regarding an

[2:21:36] engineered sign off um definitely I

[2:21:38] would I would like to see that and I

[2:21:40] will make sure that it is in whatever

[2:21:41] kind of an agreement that we uh that

[2:21:44] Council wishes to move forward

[2:21:46] on okay

[2:21:48] um if I'm chime in I've uh enjoyed the

[2:21:53] uh the comments of counselors you've uh

[2:21:55] you've helped me a little bit uh because

[2:21:58] I've been given a lot of thought uh

[2:22:00] there's Arguments for both yeah the

[2:22:01] solicitor says that they like the the

[2:22:04] second method however the we we've gone

[2:22:08] through one we've had a couple of other

[2:22:11] people I think since we've been elected

[2:22:13] asking to try to uh work with us and and

[2:22:15] for whatever reasons that didn't proceed

[2:22:18] they did their own thing which is fine

[2:22:20] too too um but uh on the McDonald one

[2:22:24] the the I know the lawyers uh agreed

[2:22:27] that it was a good deal they said sign

[2:22:29] it I I I think that the part about

[2:22:33] significant staff time the part about we

[2:22:37] are going to be a bit more responsible

[2:22:39] for the risk and liability in option two

[2:22:42] and at the uh uh that does scare me um

[2:22:47] the option

[2:22:49] one I think we got it pretty well as

[2:22:51] much as we can cornered when it says

[2:22:55] well they they had to agree and they and

[2:22:57] they paid for it well you know if they

[2:23:00] as pointed out I think the deputy mayor

[2:23:03] they're gonna have some engineer or

[2:23:05] unless they were an engineer but they're

[2:23:06] gonna have some engineer kind of giving

[2:23:08] them some backup because they're

[2:23:09] spending serious dollars and at the end

[2:23:11] if we've got the documents that that

[2:23:15] says they're responsible if it falls

[2:23:17] down well it's to their best it's to

[2:23:20] their benefit to make sure it's proper

[2:23:23] um yes we can always go and look and

[2:23:25] make sure that they're following what

[2:23:27] the drawings look like but that's more

[2:23:28] to protect them because why wouldn't

[2:23:30] they be following the documents so my

[2:23:33] gut feeling on this would

[2:23:34] be that that I think the license of

[2:23:37] occupation's been

[2:23:39] working it's worked

[2:23:41] once uh uh and it's it puts a lot of

[2:23:45] onus on the owner that's supposed to be

[2:23:47] doing the work we obviously make sure

[2:23:50] that they follow the lot lines and don't

[2:23:52] get into anything more we obviously have

[2:23:54] all the stuff that they have to agree

[2:23:55] with ABCA or whatever

[2:23:58] Ministries um the bullet points which I

[2:24:00] think are the main uh main thing to me

[2:24:04] th this is the outline at the top

[2:24:06] license of occupation that's where I'm

[2:24:07] leaning on and then of course the making

[2:24:10] sure we get as many of the

[2:24:12] concerns and that are covered or ticked

[2:24:14] off as we go through the process so that

[2:24:16] everybody's fair and that's on your

[2:24:18] second page but on on this point that's

[2:24:20] where I'm leaning on the license of

[2:24:22] occupation and and keep it as buttoned

[2:24:24] up as possible like we've been doing or

[2:24:27] have been doing but anyway that's my

[2:24:30] thoughts uh are do we want to think

[2:24:34] about this a bit more this evening on

[2:24:39] this these two here do you want to move

[2:24:41] on to the

[2:24:42] other to the points of uh the bullets I

[2:24:46] guess of uh what the staff kind of want

[2:24:49] to make sure we hit if we if we go

[2:24:50] forward then on this process well we are

[2:24:54] been kind of going through for it what

[2:24:56] what's uh what's your view councilors

[2:24:58] it's a little awkward when we're kind of

[2:25:00] in Zoom

[2:25:04] here do anyone want to approve the uh

[2:25:08] the recommendation that we will have to

[2:25:10] cover those other points so they know

[2:25:11] how to what to develop a a policy from

[2:25:14] won't they yeah I I just I just wondered

[2:25:18] if if they're kind of almost a do we

[2:25:20] agree with the one or two there and then we work around these others

[2:25:25] that's all I'm just deputy just for

[2:25:26] process uh uh I'm I'm I'm open to carry

[2:25:30] on and go through the go through those

[2:25:32] other bullet points and if we agree that

[2:25:34] they're good points that's fine but uh

[2:25:38] it's generally kind of which direction

[2:25:40] we go to on

[2:25:42] the on on the uh on the overall vehicle

[2:25:47] can I call it that

[2:25:50] what's your thoughts

[2:25:53] counselors I Deputy Mayor and yourself

[2:25:57] on the license of occupation and the

[2:26:00] owners have their Engineers that do the

[2:26:02] oversight I'm sure the building

[2:26:04] department will still have a hand in it

[2:26:08] somewhere and move forward on that

[2:26:10] aspect I'd like to hear other

[2:26:12] counselor's concerns

[2:26:15] also okay and the all

[2:26:18] right I'm

[2:26:20] can I for process I guess that's why the

[2:26:23] ministry or that's why the the process

[2:26:25] is there from I I'll ask to we have a

[2:26:28] motion on on what type here a license of

[2:26:30] occupation or or an agreement of

[2:26:32] municipality can I have someone make a

[2:26:34] motion for

[2:26:38] discussion is anyone prepared to at this

[2:26:40] time councelor

[2:26:48] benberg sorry I just uh trying to hit

[2:26:50] the mute button know I know that problem

[2:26:53] Mr Mr Mayor can I have a qu like is is

[2:26:57] counc Vandenberg if he's going to make a

[2:26:59] motion or has a comment there I'll I'll

[2:27:01] wait for him but uh if not

[2:27:04] um you know the the

[2:27:07] report that we looked at here was ju

[2:27:10] July the 29th

[2:27:11] so and it said no erosion control so

[2:27:14] that's that's an that is a an option

[2:27:18] here too is it not

[2:27:22] yeah

[2:27:24] right that's

[2:27:26] right I thank you

[2:27:29] okay that's if we don't come up with one

[2:27:32] of these I guess that's one yeah well no

[2:27:35] actually we made a motion of council

[2:27:37] that we weren't going to spend any

[2:27:39] money taxpayers money on our properties

[2:27:43] however then that either that night or a

[2:27:45] couple days later we we I don't know if

[2:27:48] it was a motion but it was it was and it

[2:27:50] clearly did happen because two I think

[2:27:52] we did have two uh Property Owners

[2:27:55] approach us and we said we're not in

[2:27:57] tuned to trying to make a deal with you

[2:27:59] to help you but we're not paying for it

[2:28:02] and and then they didn't come back for

[2:28:05] whatever reasons they did their own

[2:28:07] thing or didn't do anything uh and then

[2:28:09] we finally had I guess the one was Mr

[2:28:11] McDonald that that came forward and we

[2:28:14] uh we basically did the well we did the

[2:28:16] license of occupation and we had we had

[2:28:19] a a a we tried to cover everything and

[2:28:21] the staff we asked the staff though we

[2:28:23] should have a a better better policy and

[2:28:26] a and and a sheet for people to see so

[2:28:28] it doesn't look like uh I'm paying a fa

[2:28:30] favored by not adding something there's

[2:28:33] a checklist so there's a checklist but

[2:28:36] there's also which kind of vehicle do we

[2:28:38] run here on uh and that's sort of where

[2:28:41] it's at but you are are right at at any

[2:28:44] time even even the option of license of

[2:28:46] occupation or an agreement and these

[2:28:48] bullet points the one bullet point is

[2:28:50] the very end Council May for whatever

[2:28:52] reason say we're not going to agree to

[2:28:54] this particular one happening on a

[2:28:57] property by by by order of motion so so

[2:29:01] that that is that is in there and I'm

[2:29:04] hoping we keep that in there myself as

[2:29:07] one of the I should always be in there

[2:29:10] but um anyway is there um getting back

[2:29:13] uh if I can just

[2:29:15] unprocess move things along is there

[2:29:18] anyone wishing to make a a a what type

[2:29:20] of agreement well it's councelor

[2:29:22] wetstone here I actually I have a I have

[2:29:24] a hard time making a motion on the

[2:29:27] simple reasons when we look at all these

[2:29:29] points that we're talking about in the

[2:29:30] on the next page okay I'm not the expert

[2:29:33] in these I need more information on

[2:29:35] those so what are what are our options

[2:29:38] how is pre-existing infrastructure

[2:29:39] managed okay what does that mean what are our options well we can let's

[2:29:43] go through it then okay well I I don't

[2:29:45] know if that's a today thing that could

[2:29:47] be a report that comes back there could

[2:29:49] be multiple things what documents there

[2:29:51] could be like what documents are

[2:29:53] required to be provided prior to

[2:29:54] accepting consideration there could be

[2:29:57] 50 different ones that we may have to

[2:29:59] choose from I just don't know that's the

[2:30:00] whole point right so well I I don't I

[2:30:03] think that that I think the bullet

[2:30:05] points and help me out uh staff but my

[2:30:08] sense of what these bullet points are is

[2:30:09] we make sure that they're asked and

[2:30:11] covered when someone comes if they ask

[2:30:14] us to do a property like the one that we

[2:30:18] did it didn't have a walkway way well of

[2:30:21] course we didn't ask for it either but but was pointed out by staff they're

[2:30:26] thinking of what ifs so do you wanna

[2:30:29] when someone comes into the office we're

[2:30:32] gonna they can hand them a sheet and

[2:30:34] says this is the basic C this is the

[2:30:37] minimum that the council's expecting you

[2:30:39] to take care of I think we even have one

[2:30:42] coming up uh laort there's an issue of

[2:30:46] uh of the um of our of a drain so

[2:30:51] clearly we're going to I hope if we

[2:30:53] agree to that if we agree to it we're

[2:30:55] going to agree they pay for the drain

[2:30:56] going back to that motion that Council

[2:30:58] made I'm still think a majority of

[2:31:00] council agrees it's going to be if they

[2:31:02] we're helping someone it's not going to

[2:31:04] be on the backs of the of the whole

[2:31:06] municipality so this just this just gets

[2:31:10] it these points are made sure everybody

[2:31:13] knows that they're got to be ticked off

[2:31:15] to to council not ticked off in the term

[2:31:18] that they're that they're that they're

[2:31:20] made sure they're covered and of course

[2:31:21] there's going to be other ones this is a

[2:31:23] lied document like a lot of things so I

[2:31:25] think that is where they're coming from

[2:31:27] but counselor or Mike is that is that

[2:31:31] what your intent was here I don't want

[2:31:32] to yeah do your worship um I agree with what you're trying to or what

[2:31:37] you're saying um okay the intent wasn't

[2:31:40] to go through Bullet by Bullet um the

[2:31:43] intent was just trying to make Council

[2:31:45] aware that it would be best for

[2:31:49] residences to as transparent as possible

[2:31:51] that if we had a policy in place moving

[2:31:53] forward and what they would need and

[2:31:55] what would be expected um it's

[2:31:57] definitely understood that everything

[2:31:58] would have to come to C to

[2:32:01] council individually with each specific

[2:32:04] property it's just best if we uh made

[2:32:06] everybody aware of what would be needed

[2:32:08] and and to move

[2:32:11] forward okay well to get the ball

[2:32:13] rolling in thank you for the

[2:32:14] clarification uh I'll propose that a

[2:32:16] motion that we uh go with the license of

[2:32:18] occupation as an agreement to move

[2:32:20] forward

[2:32:21] with okay is there a second or for that

[2:32:24] motion Council coun W second of course

[2:32:28] uh this is a like all our motions

[2:32:30] they're they're all important so I know

[2:32:32] we've had discussion but I'm gonna

[2:32:34] please councilor is anyone wishing to

[2:32:37] have more

[2:32:38] discussion councelor venberg or anything

[2:32:42] um yeah it's just in regards to those uh

[2:32:46] those bullet points and I

[2:32:48] guess um

[2:32:50] we're going to have to see the the

[2:32:52] document the policy and what bullet

[2:32:55] points

[2:32:56] are are going to be there let's say for

[2:32:59] us to to pass a whole policy I I know

[2:33:02] there's we we've done uh stairs in the

[2:33:05] past where associations have approached

[2:33:07] the municipality in regards to to stairs

[2:33:10] so we we've kind of done that as well um

[2:33:14] you know there's one bullet point in

[2:33:16] regards to do we sell off

[2:33:20] uh lands I'm not I can't see it right

[2:33:23] now because it's going to be scrolled

[2:33:26] down a little further but anyways it's

[2:33:28] those uh yeah I guess it's the last one

[2:33:31] disposing of the lands I don't think we

[2:33:33] want to see something uh in regards to

[2:33:35] that in the policy but I know it's it's

[2:33:38] there a bullet

[2:33:40] point through you your worship yes could

[2:33:43] I just make a clarification on the

[2:33:45] motion um if the Mover and the seconder

[2:33:48] could just conf firm is the intent that

[2:33:51] what you're asking for is that the

[2:33:53] policy or the draft proposed policy that

[2:33:56] staff come back with is centered around

[2:33:59] a license of occupation

[2:34:01] um yes that is correct yes yes thank

[2:34:06] you that was my intention that you would

[2:34:08] be bringing back a a draft

[2:34:12] proposal yeah well was called draft good

[2:34:14] point Thank you and to and to councelor

[2:34:17] uh vandenberg's point if we uh if we

[2:34:21] also but this is specifically on the on

[2:34:23] the I'm going to call it the main

[2:34:24] vehicle which is the license of

[2:34:26] occupation and they'll come back with

[2:34:28] the with the the details um fair enough

[2:34:32] and and the councelor Walden I believe

[2:34:34] you that's your intent the motion yes Mr

[2:34:37] Mayor if I may that's why I second also

[2:34:41] behind my second of it is the our staff

[2:34:44] has already done a lot of work on this

[2:34:46] and I would like to support them moving

[2:34:47] forward they're trying to be clear and

[2:34:50] try to be transparent and I would like

[2:34:52] to support that going forward not

[2:34:54] jumping into it but I think that we need

[2:34:56] to make this make this uh procedure

[2:34:59] carry

[2:35:00] on good point okay if if it's okay now

[2:35:04] on the bullet points we're we're going

[2:35:05] to make a separate motion if there's

[2:35:07] something that they want pulled out for

[2:35:08] sure right now we're gonna kind of go

[2:35:10] through it tonight or or you're willing

[2:35:12] to make but that'll be a separate motion

[2:35:15] on the on the on those points okay just

[2:35:17] to be clear with everyone so

[2:35:20] can I call the question on the license

[2:35:22] of occupation we understand the intent

[2:35:24] and they'll come back with a little more

[2:35:26] detail and we can always have that sober

[2:35:28] second look at it is that okay then I'm

[2:35:31] going to call the

[2:35:32] question all those in favor of the

[2:35:36] motion license of occupation is a

[2:35:38] process say I

[2:35:42] [Music]

[2:35:43] I any opposed hearing none opposed

[2:35:47] motion carries now with regards to the points that I referred to as the

[2:35:52] bullet points is there any on there that

[2:35:55] you wish that we don't have further

[2:35:56] discussion on as part of the process or

[2:35:58] you have have some you want added at

[2:36:01] this

[2:36:06] time okay I think these are all points

[2:36:09] for consideration there may be some more

[2:36:11] as they come up but I think these are

[2:36:13] the minimum probably yeah U I think

[2:36:16] though this will be a document that will

[2:36:18] be added to I'm sure I I don't think you

[2:36:20] have any trouble adding things to cover

[2:36:22] off uh when it comes to some of these

[2:36:25] things especially when it comes which

[2:36:26] will be along the lake we hope that

[2:36:28] water goes down and just subsides the

[2:36:30] issue if we're there is a guy someone

[2:36:33] that likes us up there as counselors

[2:36:36] councelor venberg I think I saw you had

[2:36:37] your hand up yeah thank you mayor I was

[2:36:41] just gonna say if we could see something

[2:36:43] come back um I know staff would be

[2:36:46] working hard on it and we may have to

[2:36:49] pick it apart a little bit maybe or or

[2:36:52] add a little bit or maybe in the

[2:36:53] meantime we can make suggestions to them

[2:36:56] okay um but I I think if we were to go

[2:37:01] through it all tonight and uh I don't

[2:37:03] think it would do us any any justice to

[2:37:06] do it all tonight y well as pointed out

[2:37:08] these are you know Case by case that we

[2:37:11] that's when hey the bullet point is

[2:37:13] there's pre-existing infrastructure so

[2:37:15] that owner has to know that they have to

[2:37:17] work and satisfy coun before they can go

[2:37:20] ahead it's not a surprise to them that's

[2:37:22] kind of how the how I think these things

[2:37:24] work and so it did what what do you

[2:37:28] suggest that council do you want to just

[2:37:30] make a note to staff that we accept

[2:37:31] these as in principle and look for it in

[2:37:34] the final report or I'm looking for

[2:37:36] suggestions Mr Mayor do we maybe did I

[2:37:39] miss something here did we agree to the

[2:37:42] recommendation I don't remember voting

[2:37:43] on the recommendation to develop a

[2:37:45] policy and if we do then we could

[2:37:47] include those all with it did we well

[2:37:50] then then write it up then write it up

[2:37:51] that way sir okay well I don't maybe I

[2:37:54] missed it I might have you know I have a

[2:37:56] little nap here sometimes but well

[2:37:59] I I think we were we we kind of got into

[2:38:02] policy yeah no I I agree we've started

[2:38:05] down the road but I didn't know if we

[2:38:08] said yes we're going to develop a policy

[2:38:09] so that's that's all well

[2:38:12] I

[2:38:15] iation I think I think we sort of did

[2:38:18] but but u i i know I'm I can't say it

[2:38:22] was a different way we did it but I

[2:38:23] think we were all above board put it

[2:38:25] that way um nobody was trying to pull

[2:38:27] anything not with these uh n not with us

[2:38:29] nine on this crowd I think um okay so on

[2:38:33] these pullet points are we are we

[2:38:35] satisfied that they should be a minimum

[2:38:36] that are in for tonight and and we want

[2:38:39] to see it in the final report as you say

[2:38:41] we can fed out the discussions at that

[2:38:44] point when we see the final draft is

[2:38:46] that something of that words

[2:38:51] moving to get this I'm hearing generally

[2:38:54] we don't mind that these things are

[2:38:55] written up

[2:38:57] but counsel maybe uh staff could you

[2:39:01] help us

[2:39:03] out Lori I'm kind of looking for your uh

[2:39:06] maybe your helping the magic wand here

[2:39:09] as go

[2:39:13] between okay so um I understand um mayor

[2:39:18] Klo and Council that that um you do want

[2:39:21] to pass you do want to um say the

[2:39:25] recommendation and and uh see where

[2:39:28] people stand on it because it sounds as

[2:39:30] though you are wanting a

[2:39:33] policy which includes all those items to

[2:39:36] be considered so so I think Deputy Mayor

[2:39:40] Ferguson is correct that you have to

[2:39:41] read someone has to make a

[2:39:43] recommendation make the recommendation

[2:39:46] that's there okay could someone make a

[2:39:48] recommend so so moved okay thank you

[2:39:51] Deputy Mayor thank you is there a second

[2:39:54] uh for the motion councilor

[2:39:57] venberg I just wanted to say I thought

[2:39:59] that was all the intent when we were

[2:40:02] discussing this all so well but now but

[2:40:05] now it's in black and white so that's

[2:40:06] good well well no it's still it it's I think how did our our CEO put it

[2:40:12] these are these are points that we make

[2:40:14] sure that are definitely part of the

[2:40:16] discussion if they're there if there

[2:40:18] stairs there the the person would have

[2:40:19] to know that we're not we want the

[2:40:21] stairs to be talked about that you're

[2:40:23] paying for as as we've done historically

[2:40:25] it just it just that it's on a paper for

[2:40:27] people to see so we may but we may say

[2:40:30] like the one about there's nothing in

[2:40:31] here about there's kind of just about

[2:40:33] maybe more armor Stone and not talking

[2:40:35] about the other well we we'll have that

[2:40:37] discussion when we see the final draft

[2:40:39] so we'll still have time to have uh

[2:40:41] explain things out but just to keep

[2:40:43] moving things on you're not against

[2:40:45] these ideas being on a paper that's no

[2:40:48] that was that wasn't what I was talking

[2:40:50] about I I think with the deputy mayor I

[2:40:53] guess I'm agreeing with him that we

[2:40:55] didn't say the word policy or go back to

[2:40:58] the recommendation I think it was all in

[2:41:00] the back of our minds that hey we were

[2:41:02] discussing the policy so that that's

[2:41:04] good that's what I mean it's in black

[2:41:06] and white I'm good with the with this

[2:41:09] and what the uh the deputy mayor has

[2:41:12] said

[2:41:14] okay can I it's been first and seconded

[2:41:17] correct can I can I call the question

[2:41:20] then is everyone

[2:41:22] satisfied is okay I'm going to call the

[2:41:25] question all those in favor of the

[2:41:28] motion with these bullet points to see

[2:41:32] um what is the marual motion uh Chandra

[2:41:35] just to be fair my understanding is that

[2:41:37] the motion is the recommendation that's

[2:41:39] there in front of you that Council

[2:41:40] direct staff to prepare an erosion

[2:41:42] control shoreline protection policy for

[2:41:44] council's consideration and

[2:41:46] implementation okay thank you

[2:41:50] I'm going to call the question all those

[2:41:51] in favor say

[2:41:54] I any opposed hearing none the motion

[2:41:58] carries okay thank you

[2:42:01] staff is there a timeline is there a

[2:42:03] timeline for

[2:42:06] that I know know not I'm not because

[2:42:09] we're kind of doing the

[2:42:11] mess well I know but we have a number of

[2:42:14] applications here that that are that

[2:42:17] would relate to this and uh if this can

[2:42:20] be done in some kind of uh expedient

[2:42:24] timeline I'm going to suggest a

[2:42:26] moratorium on all those applications

[2:42:28] until after the policy is developed I

[2:42:32] would agree with that Deputy Mayor okay

[2:42:34] so we're so that is H and that that

[2:42:37] sounds very logical to myself also that

[2:42:40] they've obviously been working on it so

[2:42:42] I what what um it sounds like there's

[2:42:46] going to be a motion well we passed this

[2:42:48] right so or we haven't called the

[2:42:51] question yes we did call the question so

[2:42:52] it's passed so can you when can you come

[2:42:55] back and have it a little more

[2:42:57] formalized as you pointed out there's a

[2:43:00] little bit of the criteria you need to

[2:43:01] word Smith even even in the uh even in

[2:43:04] the first document the the license of

[2:43:07] occupation uh what What's your sense

[2:43:10] through you your worship um I completely

[2:43:13] understand that there are people in line

[2:43:15] and wanting to a response on their

[2:43:18] requests for Shoreline protection on

[2:43:20] Municipal property and I do not want to

[2:43:22] hold them up as much as much as we can

[2:43:24] um my goal is to have this to you as

[2:43:27] soon as possible I don't want to

[2:43:30] guarantee next meeting um for sure um

[2:43:34] but it will be as soon as possible this

[2:43:36] will go on the top of my list uh for

[2:43:38] things to get

[2:43:40] done okay well it is it is important

[2:43:42] because not not from about speed but we

[2:43:45] want to make sure that the document is

[2:43:47] as airtight as it can be and is and as

[2:43:50] clear for everyone down the road so we

[2:43:52] don't have to make major changes to it

[2:43:54] that would be that would not look good

[2:43:55] on anyone correct so is that fair enough

[2:43:58] with everyone at this point um well

[2:44:01] because he's going Mr Mayor because he's

[2:44:03] going to uh put a a rush on it on the

[2:44:07] top of his list uh I think that uh

[2:44:10] formally we should deal with all those

[2:44:12] other applications right now and say

[2:44:14] that I'm going to I'm going to propose

[2:44:16] we put a moratorium on them until the

[2:44:18] policy is developed which I have heard

[2:44:21] is going to be as quickly as

[2:44:24] possible okay will move that you move

[2:44:27] that I'll second it is there a there's a

[2:44:30] seconder okay so may CL can I just

[2:44:33] repeat the motion back Mo in the

[2:44:36] seconder um so what I'm hearing is that

[2:44:39] Council Place a moratorium on all

[2:44:41] Shoreline protection requests until a

[2:44:43] policy may be

[2:44:45] developed is that

[2:44:47] essentially have I captured everything I

[2:44:50] think that captures my intent yes well

[2:44:53] maybe we this just word Smith a little

[2:44:56] bit till we get a report back from Mike

[2:45:01] on what uh I I just it just sounds like

[2:45:04] we haven't made any decision we we get

[2:45:07] we gave some direction it maybe it's the

[2:45:09] same thing it's getting late in the

[2:45:10] night

[2:45:11] I I refer back to the clerk if she's

[2:45:14] happy with it and Mike understands it I

[2:45:16] what how should why should I say

[2:45:18] anything think there was two words in

[2:45:20] there that might change and I think it

[2:45:22] said may be developed could change that

[2:45:25] to will be developed yeah that's maybe

[2:45:27] the word I think that's yeah will be

[2:45:30] developed yeah so that Council Place a

[2:45:32] moratorium on all Shoreline protection

[2:45:34] requests until a

[2:45:36] policy is developed thank you yeah

[2:45:39] thanks

[2:45:41] Chandra okay you okay with that I'm good

[2:45:44] with that okay and clearly the direction

[2:45:47] was from what we passed on our motions

[2:45:49] correct Mike and and counselors yes yes

[2:45:52] okay based on that then I'm I'm that's I

[2:45:54] guess just I know it sounds a little

[2:45:56] just want to be clear because the people

[2:45:58] are going to be asking us tomorrow

[2:45:59] including all of us as we go forward

[2:46:01] here so um the uh I we can say if this

[2:46:05] motion passes we can say that you saw

[2:46:07] the report with those pullet points and

[2:46:09] the direction of uh of what I call the the vehicle the which is uh the

[2:46:16] motion number one and and uh and then

[2:46:20] that these will be the minimum points

[2:46:22] that are going to be feted out some may

[2:46:23] be on or on some may be off but they

[2:46:25] will be definitely part of it okay I'm I

[2:46:28] can live with that and know fellow

[2:46:29] counselors when you get the calls too so

[2:46:32] I think we're all on the same page if

[2:46:33] this motion passes is everyone clear

[2:46:36] with the

[2:46:38] motion see no one asking

[2:46:42] clarification uh I'm going to call the

[2:46:46] motion but oh just before I do that to

[2:46:48] be fair with everyone I realize every

[2:46:50] one of these is important for the people

[2:46:52] and they want to know but I I just uh

[2:46:55] the one that just kind of came up at the

[2:46:56] last was leport street but clearly that

[2:46:59] goes under the same thing we want to

[2:47:00] know the we want it so it's all written

[2:47:02] so everybody knows fair enough just

[2:47:04] wanted just in case someone well I I can

[2:47:08] answer that if I get a call I I'm good

[2:47:10] with that too so just as long as

[2:47:11] everyone hopefully says the same thing

[2:47:14] if they get a

[2:47:15] call okay I'm G to call the question

[2:47:18] then and can I it read over one more

[2:47:19] time because for the public that are out

[2:47:21] there uh listening it's there I'm sure

[2:47:23] they want to make sure they've got the

[2:47:25] right motion too so chander could you re

[2:47:29] read it please moved by Deputy Mayor

[2:47:31] Ferguson seconded by councelor wetstone

[2:47:34] that Council Place a moratorium on all

[2:47:36] Shoreline protection requests until a

[2:47:38] policy is

[2:47:40] developed okay thank you and of course

[2:47:43] we have a verbal that it's going to be

[2:47:44] coming back as soon as possible we won't

[2:47:46] have that on the motion we all take that

[2:47:48] as good good word of Mike and staff they

[2:47:51] understand okay I'm going to call the

[2:47:53] question all those in favor say I I any

[2:47:58] opposed hearing not oppose the motion

[2:48:00] carries unanimously thank you okay um

[2:48:06] with that

[2:48:07] motion

[2:48:09] Chandra my understanding is that then

[2:48:13] our other three that we're on tonight

[2:48:16] will be a motion to table until we have

[2:48:19] our policy in place is that is that a

[2:48:23] fair

[2:48:25] motion yes that the next the items

[2:48:29] 7.2.3

[2:48:31] 7.2.4 and

[2:48:34] 7.2.5 okay will come back in front of

[2:48:37] council following the adoption of a

[2:48:39] shoreline protection policy does that is

[2:48:42] that correct Mike that would be uh I

[2:48:45] agree I think that's to me is very clear

[2:48:48] uh and it's and it's deferred but to a

[2:48:50] Time the public then

[2:48:52] knows is there any councelor wish to

[2:48:55] make that a

[2:48:58] motion councelor venberg seconded by

[2:49:02] councelor Harris councelor

[2:49:05] Harris any questions on the motion

[2:49:10] clarification hearing none I'm going to

[2:49:12] call the question all those in favor of

[2:49:14] deferral of the three applications we

[2:49:16] have now until this policy is uh in

[2:49:20] place all those in favor say I I I any

[2:49:25] opposed hearing none the motion carries

[2:49:28] unanimously thank

[2:49:30] you okay we are now at uh

[2:49:37] 7.41 uh Mr nle uh Fleet Surplus is that

[2:49:42] correct sorry we've got more to do here

[2:49:45] I'm sorry

[2:49:51] uh we're at uh 7.31 Mr Kester ah he

[2:49:54] thought he was getting off early thank

[2:49:56] you counil water and wastewater Reserve

[2:50:01] capacity so included and thank you your

[2:50:03] worship included in the uh package

[2:50:06] tonight uh this is something that I had

[2:50:08] developed this year and wanted to just

[2:50:10] share with Council simply uh to help

[2:50:13] with the awareness to some of the

[2:50:15] reserve capacities for our systems that

[2:50:17] we have or for our water and waste

[2:50:18] systems that we have in place um it's

[2:50:20] simply an awareness and so I would just

[2:50:22] ask that Council receive this report for

[2:50:25] uh for

[2:50:26] information okay uh do I have a motion

[2:50:29] to receive this for information and of

[2:50:30] course entertain so moved councelor W to

[2:50:33] move is there a

[2:50:36] seconder councelor venberg is okay with

[2:50:39] a second thank you um just a real quick

[2:50:43] question um back when we had our Aqua

[2:50:46] report and about uh the volumes of

[2:50:49] what I call drinking water from the

[2:50:50] plant to Bayfield uh could you just just

[2:50:53] a friendly reminder to you I don't

[2:50:54] recall getting that or is this in here I

[2:50:56] quite frankly I I no it's it's not and

[2:51:00] it is something that Aqua is still

[2:51:01] working on to get that information

[2:51:03] pulled together um I will just make a

[2:51:04] note of that well I I appreciate that

[2:51:08] thank you it's not a burning issue but I

[2:51:10] just I got it on my mind there I didn't

[2:51:12] want to forget thank you okay um any

[2:51:15] other questions with regards to these

[2:51:17] numbers of course we're all know that

[2:51:18] those are right because we've all been

[2:51:21] watching it

[2:51:23] closely okay I'm going to call the

[2:51:25] question and this is for information by

[2:51:27] the way thank you for taking the time to

[2:51:29] do this I'm sure it uh you probably need

[2:51:32] to do it anyway and this is a good uh

[2:51:34] little picture for us to look at too so

[2:51:38] appreciate the the

[2:51:40] report all those in favor of the motion

[2:51:42] received for

[2:51:44] information I any opposed none opposed

[2:51:48] motion carries your uh 7.32 alternate

[2:51:53] water supply design yes so uh thank you

[2:51:58] your warship um so this is just a report

[2:52:00] to appoint the consultant

[2:52:04] for um the design for the Zurich

[2:52:08] alternative water supply um as you can

[2:52:11] see there was uh three three Consultants

[2:52:14] that submitted proposals for that um and

[2:52:19] uh and and so evaluations were done on

[2:52:21] them and it was determined to be uh the

[2:52:23] BM Ross was uh was the most appropriate

[2:52:27] consultant for this position or for this

[2:52:29] um project rather thank you that's your

[2:52:32] recommendation is there a motion to

[2:52:34] receive the recommendation DM Ross to do

[2:52:36] the uh proposal proceed with Engineering

[2:52:39] Services move Mr Mayor councelor and

[2:52:42] councelor Becker seconds councelor

[2:52:44] Walden made the motion Chandra

[2:52:48] uh it's pretty well self-explanatory I'm

[2:52:50] going to call the question all those in

[2:52:52] favor say I I any opposed hearing none

[2:52:57] the motion carries thank you uh the

[2:53:00] environmental committee status update

[2:53:03] there's some recommendation here yes so

[2:53:07] um you'll recall mayor and Council that

[2:53:10] earlier in the year there was a request

[2:53:14] to develop a environmental committee so

[2:53:17] this is the follow up to that um and uh

[2:53:21] so so staff have worked to developing

[2:53:24] the terms of

[2:53:25] reference for that which are included

[2:53:28] within there's a recommendation and then

[2:53:30] additionally as part of that

[2:53:32] conversation um which I believe was uh

[2:53:35] through which had taken place at budget

[2:53:38] um there was a conversation with respect

[2:53:41] to the communities in bloom committee um

[2:53:44] and so there's some information on the

[2:53:45] backgrounds to the communities in bloom

[2:53:48] committee

[2:53:49] uh there for the purposes of discussion

[2:53:51] as

[2:53:53] well

[2:53:55] okay Council we can you know I guess Co

[2:53:58] was a prime example of all the things

[2:54:01] kind of got uh um slowed up a little bit

[2:54:05] but um on the

[2:54:07] recommendations uh is Council still

[2:54:10] feeling the the direction from back in

[2:54:12] our budget days I guess we'll uh we'll

[2:54:15] see here uh so on the first

[2:54:17] recommendation

[2:54:18] is there a mover for that motion

[2:54:20] councelor Harris councelor Harris is

[2:54:23] there a

[2:54:26] seconder councelor

[2:54:29] vanenburg yes and if I can then ask a

[2:54:32] question in regards to the terms of ref

[2:54:35] I know it's not uh in writing but I'm

[2:54:38] thinking then Mr ker that it's

[2:54:41] encompassing all aspects of blue water

[2:54:44] when it comes to the environment if it's

[2:54:47] the true trees if it's the waterways

[2:54:50] like a river or stream or the lake shore

[2:54:52] it's all encompassing

[2:54:55] that that's correct yes okay yeah it's the intent is to um for lack of a a

[2:55:05] better word or to to simplify it a

[2:55:07] little bit is to do better by the to the

[2:55:08] environments um and just do uh better

[2:55:11] efforts towards uh environmentally

[2:55:14] conscientious projects

[2:55:18] there was a a real one of the main

[2:55:20] pushes was about getting rid of plastics

[2:55:24] uh clearly that was kind of on the top

[2:55:26] of the list but yeah it is it isn't just

[2:55:28] about Plastics that's for sure is that

[2:55:31] but that I think has been one of the

[2:55:33] main focuses on uh at least on the on

[2:55:38] some people's

[2:55:39] minds

[2:55:40] okay are you satisfied any other

[2:55:43] questions are we can we call the

[2:55:44] question on the first

[2:55:46] one satisfied with the draft and

[2:55:48] direction I guess we'll see by the

[2:55:50] motion all those in favor of the rec

[2:55:52] first recommendation please say I I hi

[2:55:57] any opposed hearing none motion carries

[2:56:01] with regards to give

[2:56:03] direction we is that still the the

[2:56:06] intent of uh of the council yeah so um

[2:56:12] the so it contained within the uh the

[2:56:15] report there was again there's some

[2:56:17] information with respect to Communities

[2:56:19] In Bloom um I know that there was

[2:56:21] discussion with uh at the during budget

[2:56:25] about um looking at the ability to

[2:56:28] incorporate the two components together

[2:56:30] the communities and Bloom committee is

[2:56:32] still active and they are still

[2:56:34] participating uh in in their efforts um

[2:56:37] and uh and as such uh it is something

[2:56:40] that um I feel that the the the

[2:56:43] committee members still obviously see

[2:56:45] value in um however uh um there there

[2:56:49] may be

[2:56:50] Al the appetite of council to look at as

[2:56:54] discussed previously uh seeing the

[2:56:58] seeing a committee where where both are

[2:56:59] formed or or some other

[2:57:02] um uh some other iteration of that uh

[2:57:06] discussion as

[2:57:07] well hey Council um I I guess when we

[2:57:10] went looked at the budget that time if I'm remembering right a majority of

[2:57:16] the like all their flower and stuff are

[2:57:18] done by

[2:57:19] staff or part-time staff so is the issue

[2:57:24] of our of the flowers and the main

[2:57:27] streets that that will continue in the

[2:57:30] budget I know we talked about that it

[2:57:32] was about more the fact of getting of

[2:57:35] working the two together they're both

[2:57:37] about Community betterment tying in with

[2:57:41] what you said there and and also can we

[2:57:44] if we're going to put some money into a

[2:57:46] new committee which we did on that this

[2:57:49] would maybe help that portion of the

[2:57:53] community In Bloom so I'm in favor of it

[2:57:56] I was in favor of then um the motion

[2:57:59] said feasibility integration but I think

[2:58:02] the intent that I did when I motioned

[2:58:04] that that but let let's let's have them

[2:58:06] mold together they they're both the same

[2:58:08] thing so but I'm looking for Council

[2:58:10] Direction here councilor

[2:58:13] venberg thank you then a question um was

[2:58:17] any discussion

[2:58:18] uh made with the committee members of

[2:58:22] community In Bloom as to what we are

[2:58:25] thinking of doing to their committee

[2:58:28] like what was their feedback did we have

[2:58:30] that

[2:58:31] discussion so uh we unfortunately did

[2:58:34] not have an opportunity to uh have that

[2:58:37] conversation with them yet um we did

[2:58:40] make uh we did reach out to them uh but

[2:58:43] at this time comments have not been uh

[2:58:45] we we have

[2:58:46] not uh um we haven't had a chance to

[2:58:49] actually engage with the committee

[2:58:51] because they have had uh difficulties

[2:58:53] actually getting to having their uh

[2:58:56] timelines coordinate on their end to

[2:58:59] actually have their next uh meeting so

[2:59:01] it just it hasn't worked in uh time from when we've developed this terms of

[2:59:06] reference to uh when they've had their next subsequent

[2:59:11] meeting Mr Mar if I can add add to that

[2:59:14] also

[2:59:16] um as youve identified and you can

[2:59:19] respect uh the Mandate of communities in

[2:59:22] bloom was to celebrate various aspects

[2:59:26] of the community not it wasn't just the

[2:59:28] flower committee and it wasn't just

[2:59:30] flowers on the Main Street

[2:59:31] beautification of your main street is

[2:59:33] one of the objectives the environment is

[2:59:35] another one uh celebrating community

[2:59:38] volunteers is another one and and there

[2:59:41] are eight objetives within the Mandate

[2:59:43] of Communities In Bloom and you can

[2:59:47] understand that celebrating volunteers

[2:59:50] and and uh you know doing environmental

[2:59:52] initiatives and everything else in the

[2:59:54] last year has been pretty hard to do

[2:59:56] because uh there hasn't been any

[2:59:58] committees that have been able to work

[3:00:00] and work together to physically go out

[3:00:04] in the community and you know carry on

[3:00:07] some of the good work that they do so

[3:00:09] it's it's been a difficult year to uh to

[3:00:12] get everything together for sure

[3:00:15] um and and uh you know the the members

[3:00:19] on the community In Bloom committee are

[3:00:22] you know they're still Keen uh we have a

[3:00:24] meeting this Thursday and right now

[3:00:27] they're all uh have indicated that

[3:00:29] they'll all be there so uh you know

[3:00:31] there may be some more chance to discuss

[3:00:33] it with them on

[3:00:37] Thursday just okay and with so we so the

[3:00:40] motion that we made back in back at

[3:00:43] budget the council uh investigate the

[3:00:46] feasibility we're we're with that having

[3:00:48] that discussion uh for Deputy Mayor to

[3:00:52] have that discussion with them then on

[3:00:54] this meeting that's that's kind of where

[3:00:55] we're at tonight just to confirm that

[3:00:57] can we leave it at that way then sure

[3:00:59] I'd be happy to we were going to have it

[3:01:00] last meeting and then you know hour

[3:01:04] before the meeting somebody got sick and

[3:01:05] then we we didn't have Quorum so well so

[3:01:08] we'll have it this meeting okay well

[3:01:10] then let's uh leave it for information

[3:01:12] then that uh provide Direction well

[3:01:15] we're just leaving it as it is the

[3:01:16] motion I don't see a motion

[3:01:18] resending the motion of the budget

[3:01:20] meeting or I guess we did it back in

[3:01:22] budget so we're going to leave it as is that fair enough for tonight for

[3:01:26] councel I'm G to take some leeway as as

[3:01:30] I'm looking I'm hearing someone say no

[3:01:32] so on bullet point two we're we're we're giving no New Direction it's they

[3:01:38] will discuss it about working with a

[3:01:40] with an Amalgamated group or whatever

[3:01:42] see what they say very good is that okay

[3:01:44] that's what we're going to do that's

[3:01:46] fine so noted by I hopefully our clerk

[3:01:49] can get that in the notes thank

[3:01:52] you all

[3:01:55] right uh we're going to move on then to

[3:01:59] um

[3:02:01] seage disposal wastewater treatment

[3:02:04] plants is that correct yes that's

[3:02:07] correct thank you for your

[3:02:10] uh stepping in there

[3:02:13] sir um you you've read the re everyone's

[3:02:16] read the report

[3:02:18] have we I am assuming and this has come

[3:02:21] about actually there was uh a at least

[3:02:24] one or two people actually uh called uh

[3:02:28] I think was counselor Irvin and then I

[3:02:31] know I got a call from him and wanting

[3:02:33] to know uh so I got a hold of a staff

[3:02:36] and uh and this is how this report uh

[3:02:40] came about U go ahead um fill in any

[3:02:44] details you wish there Mr ker yeah I was

[3:02:47] just going to make mention to the report

[3:02:49] that um or just as a highlight to the

[3:02:52] report um is that uh So currently right

[3:02:55] now we do have included in our byon it's

[3:02:57] the very last piece of uh in the in the

[3:03:00] background information that we do

[3:03:01] currently have um a fee for the Hol um

[3:03:06] and so as such we also have uh at that

[3:03:09] time or um up until recently have

[3:03:13] accepted uh septage waste um now that

[3:03:16] being said with Bayfield being at

[3:03:18] capacity and not having the ability to

[3:03:21] um to accept septage through the ea uh

[3:03:26] through the ECA for both Hensel and

[3:03:29] Zurich that it's it's been a a difficult

[3:03:32] process for for residents at this time

[3:03:35] and and during the summer months it's

[3:03:37] not as critical um because most uh

[3:03:40] septage that's hauled for uh or from our residents is actually land

[3:03:45] applied but now we're getting into the

[3:03:46] months where land app cannot happen um

[3:03:50] and and so as such this is uh part of

[3:03:52] where uh this the the generation of this

[3:03:55] report is is important at this time as

[3:03:57] well um so with that I would uh if

[3:04:01] there's any questions i''d be happy to answer

[3:04:04] them is there any questions I'm gonna

[3:04:07] ask that the recommendations do you need

[3:04:08] all three of them separate again

[3:04:12] Chandra or can they be all one all

[3:04:15] separate please thank you very much

[3:04:18] Mr Mayor have question go ahead

[3:04:20] councelor Harris um I'm I'm curious um

[3:04:24] the Hensel

[3:04:25] residents uh just been handed not too

[3:04:28] long ago uh uh a bill for debenture on

[3:04:32] Lagoon improvements in Hensel um I'm

[3:04:36] curious as to how I respond to them uh

[3:04:40] when they ask me um

[3:04:43] why there is um septic waste put being

[3:04:47] put into the hens

[3:04:50] lagoons so what the intent would be

[3:04:53] behind that would be that any additional

[3:04:55] revenues generated would go back into

[3:04:58] reserves so is that any

[3:05:00] future um uh any future improvements or

[3:05:05] any future maintenance would actually

[3:05:07] help uh that that those costs would

[3:05:09] actually be helped by this offsetting

[3:05:12] component there so it would actually uh

[3:05:14] go towards uh assisting in any future uh

[3:05:18] maintenance and and and operational um

[3:05:21] costs for that for those

[3:05:24] Works true you Mr May it's gonna be a

[3:05:27] tough sell

[3:05:29] um to to have to respond to that

[3:05:32] considering this what what they're going

[3:05:34] to say to me is um so there's going to

[3:05:38] be money put into

[3:05:39] Reserve uh for the chance that dumping

[3:05:43] septic

[3:05:44] waste uh into the heads of lagoons is

[3:05:47] going to cost cost the Hensel residents

[3:05:48] more money no no it sorry it will not

[3:05:52] cost the residents more money um it so

[3:05:56] there is currently available capacity to

[3:05:59] treat at the Hensel Lagoon and it

[3:06:02] actually there was that available

[3:06:03] capacity there I'm sorry we paid for it

[3:06:08] there was available capacity there prior

[3:06:11] to that debenture being in place what

[3:06:13] was paid for was the um was was there

[3:06:17] was just work that needed to be done at

[3:06:19] that facility um and so the costs that

[3:06:22] would be generated now or sorry the the fees that would be generated or the

[3:06:27] funds that would be generated now would

[3:06:29] go towards offsetting any future Capital

[3:06:32] works for that

[3:06:35] facility and if also I think it's

[3:06:37] important and it's proven by the

[3:06:39] Bayfield if for some reason there's and

[3:06:42] which is a good thing I I guess should

[3:06:45] be there's increase in how closing

[3:06:48] businesses in Hensel then this doesn't

[3:06:52] supersede them regardless if there was

[3:06:55] over say five years there was 120 there

[3:06:58] was 10 loads there was 1,250 bucks or

[3:07:00] whatever if at that point the rules kick

[3:07:04] in that you can't use it it doesn't

[3:07:06] matter that there's a motion that it can

[3:07:08] be there just like what's happened now

[3:07:09] at B at the Bayfield so to the residents

[3:07:12] it's a good question and I that the

[3:07:15] residents it isn't that they will be

[3:07:16] excluded down the road because of of of

[3:07:18] fee of dumping this is only if there's

[3:07:22] capacity and room and there's a whole

[3:07:25] lot of rules that he has to follow and

[3:07:28] uh that're that they're

[3:07:30] mandated so I think that needs to be

[3:07:33] pointed out too yeah may I make a

[3:07:35] question Mr Mayor yeah um I I I believe

[3:07:39] I read that the

[3:07:41] $125 is uh does not cover the

[3:07:44] cost did I read that correctly down

[3:07:47] lower so the fee is

[3:07:50] $125

[3:07:51] um I there's I would believe that we

[3:07:56] should insist on total cost recovery if

[3:07:59] they're going to use any of the lagoons

[3:08:01] so it's $ 150 bucks or

[3:08:03] $175 that blue water should charge the

[3:08:06] cost at

[3:08:08] least so also if I may through you your

[3:08:12] warship also if I may um that is

[3:08:14] something that uh we are actually

[3:08:16] looking to to have um identified as part

[3:08:20] of our um as part of our water

[3:08:24] Wastewater uh financial review if

[3:08:27] Council wishes for that information to

[3:08:28] be brought forward sooner than that uh I

[3:08:31] can do that I I believe councel Walden

[3:08:33] and I'm sure councilor Harris that agree

[3:08:36] that yeah we if we're gonna uh allow

[3:08:39] dumping to help people out only it's

[3:08:40] only for winter time and and that yes it does show a a cost because that is

[3:08:46] one of the benefits

[3:08:48] for our community however it does need

[3:08:50] to 125 you're you point out it's got to

[3:08:53] increase so yeah if this motion passes

[3:08:56] tonight these recommendations I I really

[3:09:00] you're on the record that that those

[3:09:02] fees have to go up

[3:09:04] ASAP uh um is that uh if we need to make

[3:09:08] a motion on that or Direction but uh

[3:09:12] let's be clear about that thank you

[3:09:13] councelor Walden and councelor Harris on

[3:09:15] that is mayor from

[3:09:18] yep um in your report David mentions

[3:09:21] that uh quote portapotty waste is not

[3:09:25] acceptable um how do you justify between

[3:09:29] uh gr B sanitation stopping cleaning out

[3:09:32] four five Porta poies and then stopping

[3:09:34] at Jim Smith to dump peptic tank um how

[3:09:37] do we know that that actually isn't in

[3:09:39] the same

[3:09:40] truck so and and that's a good question

[3:09:44] and so what um we so so we actually do

[3:09:49] sampling and we would be able to uh to

[3:09:51] identify that through uh through

[3:09:53] sampling as well that the that some of

[3:09:55] the

[3:09:56] chemicals um that are used in Porta

[3:10:00] parties so we would actually be able to

[3:10:01] identify that and then we would actually

[3:10:04] um take steps to to Banning that

[3:10:06] individual uh for not adhering to our

[3:10:09] policy um it is detrimental to our

[3:10:11] treatment process um and so as such we do want to make sure that we're not

[3:10:17] um that we're not doing something that

[3:10:19] is detrimental to our treatment process

[3:10:22] um and and so we would we would um

[3:10:25] ultimately if we had a sense we would

[3:10:27] definitely um look into uh into whatever

[3:10:31] we could to ensure that that's not the

[3:10:35] case okay sorry Mr and what at what

[3:10:39] point is it tested sorry Dave I would be

[3:10:41] tested when it's dis like when when

[3:10:44] they're when they're

[3:10:45] discharging and that would be every time

[3:10:48] somebody goes to we typically do staff

[3:10:50] it every time that somebody is

[3:10:52] discharging that's

[3:10:56] correctol which it should be to to

[3:10:59] follow the rules I guess yes that's

[3:11:01] correct so um I'm gonna ask here because

[3:11:05] it's been brought up and I know but uh

[3:11:08] if I may I'd like to add a bullet number

[3:11:10] four to this recommendations and so it's

[3:11:14] clear for direction for you and for me

[3:11:17] um that uh the that further the septic

[3:11:19] fee

[3:11:21] um whatever it's called officially also

[3:11:24] be

[3:11:25] um a report coming back with the with a

[3:11:29] updated

[3:11:31] U charges also be uh the fourth

[3:11:35] recommendation so everyone's clear on

[3:11:37] that is that okay with everyone Mr Mayor

[3:11:40] yes I might I would be more inclined to

[3:11:44] specifically say that uh when they're

[3:11:47] report comes back our septic fees uh

[3:11:49] discharge fees

[3:11:51] must cover our costs must be set to

[3:11:54] cover our cost whatever the report says

[3:11:56] but the intent I believe is my my

[3:11:59] comment was that it has to cover the

[3:12:01] cost so whatever the report says that I

[3:12:03] would make the bullet that our septic

[3:12:04] fees septic discharge fees must cover

[3:12:07] the cost of the

[3:12:09] discharge I just saying that saying the

[3:12:12] same thing a different way maybe I don't

[3:12:13] know yeah no I think that's close enough

[3:12:15] yeah c

[3:12:17] just when we get to number three when

[3:12:19] you say $4,000 included in the budget

[3:12:23] that's is that like 4,000 has to be

[3:12:25] spent whether there's one dump or or 50

[3:12:29] or is that just if there

[3:12:31] Isa that that's to amend the ECA so so

[3:12:35] yes that's correct if if if there was

[3:12:37] one usage or if there were 50 usage the ECA would be reflective of that uh

[3:12:45] of that regardless of the total

[3:12:48] usage so just to be clear then covered

[3:12:52] costs you won't have a one person 4,000

[3:12:56] I guess well that'll stop them coming

[3:12:57] for to us I guess but that keep in mind

[3:13:00] this is all also only for residents of

[3:13:02] blue

[3:13:03] water and that also we didn't I don't

[3:13:06] know if that's been clarified in this

[3:13:07] report but I think it was um and sure

[3:13:11] needs to be and this was again because

[3:13:14] of the odd we have a few people

[3:13:18] that uh came forward in municipality

[3:13:20] Blue Water and they could even be in and

[3:13:22] around our our hamlets too this isn't

[3:13:25] just Lakeshore uh that the owner their

[3:13:29] the trucking is they have to go where

[3:13:31] Dave Uh Oh So currently right now uh

[3:13:35] there's facilities in listol London and

[3:13:38] sarna um that uh that can accept

[3:13:42] additional

[3:13:44] seage um are are are the ones that I

[3:13:46] know

[3:13:47] um are

[3:13:48] available that our private companies

[3:13:51] told the owners they'd be going to I

[3:13:54] believe that sorry that the hauling

[3:13:58] companies have have identified to the to our residents that that's where they

[3:14:03] uh where they're hauling to that's

[3:14:04] correct so our rates can go up

[3:14:07] considerably more than 125 just to be

[3:14:10] fair to everyone but I guess if they go

[3:14:13] to 4,000 well then the 500 or whatever

[3:14:15] they'll go to L will so it it it really

[3:14:19] is about a little bit about our service

[3:14:21] for our community but I totally we all

[3:14:23] totally agree that the 25's got to

[3:14:25] increase it's uh that's clear but just I just want to be upfront with everyone

[3:14:32] cover Mr Mayor by me yeah um if this

[3:14:36] gets passed and when this Go's public

[3:14:40] I'm gonna have some absolute I rate uh

[3:14:43] Hensel residents with the amount of

[3:14:45] money that they have just spent on this

[3:14:47] Lagoon and now we're asking them for for

[3:14:51] all Municipal taxpayers to pay $4,000

[3:14:55] for an EA so that we can have septic

[3:14:58] waste pumped into our Lagoon so $4,000

[3:15:03] is to get permission to put septic waste

[3:15:07] into our Lagoon and that would be all

[3:15:09] blue water taxpayers paying that four

[3:15:13] grand is that that's correct I believe

[3:15:16] right

[3:15:18] so as it relates to the uh and this may

[3:15:22] be detrimental to the conversation as it

[3:15:24] relates to sewer it would actually be uh

[3:15:27] any individuals who are paying in who

[3:15:30] pay sewer fees so it would not be all

[3:15:35] blue water residents it would be anybody

[3:15:37] that pays oh that's all needs to be

[3:15:38] clarified

[3:15:40] here so so and and please understand as

[3:15:43] part of the conversation that there is

[3:15:45] the available capacity now so so

[3:15:49] actually to to create a more viable

[3:15:51] system to have addition additional

[3:15:54] usership and that's where it's important

[3:15:55] to have that fee uh increased to to

[3:15:58] recognize full cost

[3:16:00] recovery is that to actually have a a

[3:16:03] system become more viable it's to get uh

[3:16:06] basically to get you to as close to your

[3:16:09] operating threshold as what you can uh

[3:16:12] to achieve that efficiency of that

[3:16:14] system um so ultimately like if you

[3:16:17] could operate around 95% capacity and

[3:16:20] know that no growth or anything like

[3:16:21] that was going to happen um that would

[3:16:24] be the best or or or optimal operating

[3:16:27] scenario from a financial standpoint um

[3:16:30] I mean if you could do it at 100% that

[3:16:32] would be great but then you're not

[3:16:33] really giving yourself any uh any

[3:16:35] latitude one way or the other um but but

[3:16:38] to have your system operate uh

[3:16:40] financially as uh as as optimally as

[3:16:43] possible that would that would give you

[3:16:45] that best scenario so that this actually

[3:16:47] affords us an opportunity here to have

[3:16:49] our systems operate um uh at a more

[3:16:54] functional capacity than what they are

[3:16:55] right

[3:17:02] now councelor wetstone and then uh uh

[3:17:05] whoever was there there I'll let in for

[3:17:07] sure councelor

[3:17:09] wetstone so the $4,000 we have to we

[3:17:12] have to spend up front in order to do

[3:17:14] the ECA to be amended in order for the

[3:17:17] for for this process to happen so how

[3:17:22] does

[3:17:24] one get full cost recovery of the $4,000

[3:17:27] if we don't know do we have any

[3:17:29] indication on how many times this is

[3:17:31] going to be done I have a general

[3:17:33] indication based on past practices of

[3:17:36] what um of what we have received um

[3:17:41] previous in previous years okay so

[3:17:43] you're when with that full cost recovery

[3:17:46] you have a pretty good idea what that

[3:17:47] number would be then as far I would look

[3:17:50] to have it spread over a period of time

[3:17:52] appropriate period of time based on um

[3:17:55] what what typically we look at for from

[3:17:57] a financial cost recovery like

[3:18:00] principles um that that would be

[3:18:02] appropriate I mean to to the to the

[3:18:05] mayor's point of having it go to one

[3:18:07] individual the first individual um it's that's obviously not appropriate

[3:18:12] but um we would we would look to spread

[3:18:15] that over uh over the appropriate time

[3:18:19] my comment was more I agree my comment

[3:18:21] was more on okay we're gonna do this is

[3:18:22] anybody gonna come it's one of those if

[3:18:24] you build it they will come will they

[3:18:26] really

[3:18:27] come you're saying that there is a need within the municipality

[3:18:32] yes and and and um the other piece to

[3:18:36] that is that uh it does become

[3:18:38] financially detrimental uh to to haul it

[3:18:42] to uh let's say list Orna just simply

[3:18:46] from the the hauling standpoint that the cost of of actually discharging the

[3:18:52] septage at those facilities is not that

[3:18:54] significant it's it's just the drive

[3:18:56] time uh that makes it um less

[3:18:59] financially viable and and as such gets

[3:19:02] uh downloaded to those specific

[3:19:04] residents with with that need Mr Mayor

[3:19:07] if I may yeah go ahead no it's to

[3:19:10] councelor wetstone uh it was clarified

[3:19:13] that it's actually um the Zur enhan

[3:19:16] residents that will be paying

[3:19:19] $4,000 no it was sorry uh if I was not

[3:19:22] clear it's it's so we operate our system

[3:19:25] so it would be the septics anybody sorry

[3:19:28] the sewer system so anybody who pays

[3:19:30] onto the sewer bills for these systems

[3:19:33] that includes Bayfield correct

[3:19:36] right and prior to this they were

[3:19:38] basically going to Bayfield that's

[3:19:41] correct and and now we can't use that

[3:19:44] 4,000 from that one because of way the

[3:19:47] system works each each plan has to have

[3:19:49] its own license each each facility has

[3:19:52] its own ECA to allow it to operate

[3:19:56] that's correct and and bayfield's ECA

[3:19:59] last time it was incorporated or last

[3:20:00] time it was open the amendment was made

[3:20:03] to allow to accept

[3:20:06] septage but this time you couldn't do

[3:20:08] that so we we've been allowing it over

[3:20:11] the years it's only been at Bayfield

[3:20:15] correct all right maybe that maybe

[3:20:17] that's why we're maxed out in our uh

[3:20:19] lagoons I can assure you it's not I was

[3:20:22] being cynical Dave I

[3:20:25] know Mr Mayor yes go ahead make a com um

[3:20:30] going forward should this pass uh we

[3:20:34] might look at making it our objective to

[3:20:37] uh include in the fees if uh if Dave has

[3:20:41] an idea you know an estimate of how much

[3:20:45] we're going to be using to Pro rate that

[3:20:48] so that the $4,000 for sure is not

[3:20:52] eventually does not come out of the

[3:20:54] pockets of the three villages that have

[3:20:57] sewage systems so that that somehow we

[3:21:00] incorporate so it's cost really 150

[3:21:02] bucks a discharge but we charge another

[3:21:04] 30 bucks on top of that to make sure

[3:21:06] that that $4,000 eventually gets paid

[3:21:08] for I believe we should try to make take

[3:21:10] steps that residents don't get charged

[3:21:12] for that EA to let somebody else dump

[3:21:13] sewage

[3:21:15] there yeah

[3:21:17] um that's that's why it's a

[3:21:20] little it's it's it's pointed out the

[3:21:22] fees are going to go up uh we've had

[3:21:24] that discussion but you're right it the

[3:21:26] intent is that 4,000 should be it isn't

[3:21:29] just as simple as some of the other fees

[3:21:31] that we have that allow a little more

[3:21:32] time frame I think this one is we're

[3:21:34] doing people a bit of a

[3:21:35] favor you know so I would hope that that

[3:21:39] uh fee I you picked a number it would be

[3:21:42] a little higher to be paid a little

[3:21:43] faster but we're still doing people a

[3:21:45] favor and it's getting this four or

[3:21:47] 5,000 paid back as fast as possible and

[3:21:50] maybe some money left in the

[3:21:53] kitty um okay is that

[3:21:56] uh do you want to wait till we have the

[3:21:59] fee structure colleagues to see it if

[3:22:02] that would help I'm throwing out options

[3:22:06] here I mean I don't personally I don't

[3:22:09] need to see the fee structure as long as

[3:22:10] I know that it's going to be 100%

[3:22:13] reimbursed is kind of if you want to

[3:22:14] call that or charge back to cover our

[3:22:17] cost whatever that is it is what it is

[3:22:20] whatever the Fe structure is I've got

[3:22:22] I'm listening to Dave he's going to

[3:22:24] figure that out and charge

[3:22:26] accordingly in my mind

[3:22:30] okay will be in the 2021 budget it will

[3:22:33] be visible to the public in the 2021

[3:22:36] budget that that's true we're spending

[3:22:38] $4,000 on it yes and I and I appreciate

[3:22:43] you did did not go unheard what you said

[3:22:45] I totally agree I that's why I want

[3:22:48] that's why it' make it a little easier

[3:22:49] if we'd see the we've told the intent

[3:22:52] today to Dave that we want it to be not

[3:22:55] just that normal fairness but it has to

[3:22:57] be a bit more than fair no above Fair

[3:23:00] because the benefit they're getting to

[3:23:02] get the 4,000 back so I can say to

[3:23:04] resent from the three

[3:23:07] municipalities that this 4,000 isn't get

[3:23:09] stuck that it's taking 8 years to pay

[3:23:11] back that's for sure it's got to be paid

[3:23:13] back fairly

[3:23:15] soon again we don't want a lot of people

[3:23:17] using it in a way but uh it's about if

[3:23:22] there's a need there and we can use it

[3:23:23] and get the money back and we're assured

[3:23:26] that it's not screwing the system

[3:23:28] up there's the issue uh Mr Bear yeah

[3:23:32] that that that is the issue and I guess

[3:23:35] you know I'll I'll support this because

[3:23:37] I believe that our residents on septic

[3:23:40] systems need it and they but they only

[3:23:43] need it in an emergency situation only

[3:23:47] when this cannot be applied and it's too

[3:23:50] muddy to get into the fields with a

[3:23:51] truck otherwise I don't want to see it

[3:23:54] to go into the uh into the lagoons and

[3:23:56] the reason is not because of the fees or

[3:23:59] the cost or anything else this is

[3:24:01] entirely different biological processes

[3:24:03] you're talking anerobic and aerobic

[3:24:05] processes and you'll flip that Lagoon if

[3:24:08] you put enough of that stuff in there so

[3:24:10] these lagoons do not are not made to

[3:24:12] take septage they will take it on a

[3:24:15] limited basis and you can spread it out

[3:24:18] over time so I'm concerned about the

[3:24:20] operation of the Lagoon more than the

[3:24:23] fee and uh only be done on an emergency

[3:24:26] basis and I think that needs to be

[3:24:29] written up clearly too and it's only for

[3:24:31] blue waterer residents it's only a

[3:24:33] certain times pointed out and and that

[3:24:36] they're told up front regardless of

[3:24:38] whatever the fee is if they get to a

[3:24:40] point there's too many we give the power

[3:24:41] to Dave to say sorry you can't come here

[3:24:44] and don't and yeah phone Paul clo the

[3:24:46] mayor

[3:24:46] there I'll say listen the rules are the

[3:24:48] rules and and I'm sorry you're going to

[3:24:51] have to go to somewhere else including

[3:24:54] yeah can I speak finally

[3:24:57] yes well I can't see sorry uh counselor

[3:25:00] Becker I can't see you so don't don't

[3:25:03] say finally to me I appreciate we're all

[3:25:05] trying to get along here it's a long

[3:25:06] night but in I accept I accept it but in but don't say I didn't try

[3:25:11] to I can try to speak for the last 10

[3:25:14] minutes but oh I apologize I agree with

[3:25:17] our Deputy Mayor and we've been told by

[3:25:19] BM Ross that we're not supposed to

[3:25:21] accept this septage into our lagoons

[3:25:23] because it is a different component

[3:25:25] affluence and we uh in the past they

[3:25:29] allowed a bit to get into the Bayfield

[3:25:31] Lagoon over the years but they've

[3:25:33] frowned on it immensely and I don't

[3:25:37] think we're we're going to open up the

[3:25:39] doors here to a wrong idea and

[3:25:44] the idea should be be on the residents

[3:25:48] to have their tanks pumped out on an Ann

[3:25:51] or threeyear basis and do it in the

[3:25:54] months that are allotted to them and if

[3:25:57] we start spending $4,000 of taxpayers

[3:26:00] money I agree with coun Harris there's

[3:26:03] going to be

[3:26:04] upgrades so just if I may uh your

[3:26:08] warship um

[3:26:11] the uh the larger issue here is is

[3:26:16] actually not the septic systems it's

[3:26:19] people with holding tanks which we do

[3:26:21] have a few of them

[3:26:22] are there's a handful of them um so uh

[3:26:27] in the municipality and so um the the

[3:26:30] majority of issues to to the deputy

[3:26:32] mayor's Point um that in an emergency

[3:26:35] situation let's say they have a system

[3:26:37] failure whatever something like that um

[3:26:39] that we would look to to having that um

[3:26:42] the larger issue becomes with holding

[3:26:44] tanks uh for the residents within our

[3:26:47] municipality who um they just don't have

[3:26:50] the capacity to to to to go through the

[3:26:53] entire um through the entire winter

[3:26:56] season let's say uh to to wait for land

[3:26:59] application to actually take place th

[3:27:01] those are the ones that that end up

[3:27:03] being a little bit more critical to the

[3:27:04] conversation and just the points to the

[3:27:06] conversation I am working with BM Ross

[3:27:09] uh on this to actually come to the

[3:27:11] determination on what the max value of

[3:27:14] septage to be able to be

[3:27:16] accepted um at at any of our facilities

[3:27:20] is actually um just so we know what that

[3:27:23] volume is so we're not uh we're not

[3:27:26] providing a detriment to our treatment

[3:27:29] process um because yes to to the whole

[3:27:31] point I don't want to end up seeing that

[3:27:35] uh that that our treatment process

[3:27:37] actually ends up failing because of

[3:27:39] accepting septage

[3:27:41] waste another question uh Mr Mar if I

[3:27:44] may uh since you brought it up uh the uh

[3:27:48] Bayfield Lagoon was also accepting lee8

[3:27:51] from the landfill at one point is that

[3:27:53] still accepting that or not so we have

[3:27:57] so also included in the ECA for the

[3:27:59] Bayfield Lagoon is uh the ability to

[3:28:03] haul leech eight we have not done that

[3:28:04] in I believe two years actually okay

[3:28:08] because that throws your do way B way

[3:28:11] out yep that's correct and and so we're

[3:28:14] actually um so we're actually making use

[3:28:18] of that on site actually the lee8 we're doing better um in uh in in in our

[3:28:25] lee8 handling on site um so I I took

[3:28:29] active steps to seeing that that would

[3:28:31] take place uh when I started in the

[3:28:33] municipality and then we're also any

[3:28:35] additional materials that we are or any

[3:28:37] additional Lee that is being generated

[3:28:39] we're actually broadcasting it on our

[3:28:41] site uh in an effort actually to Aid in

[3:28:44] compaction uh actually it just through the additional fluid um

[3:28:49] migrating through the system it actually

[3:28:52] uh it actually AIDS in compaction of our

[3:28:54] uh of our um of our Mound at our Stanley

[3:28:59] facility that was good information it

[3:29:02] got saved a b report for later so that's

[3:29:04] good um just to I don't want to belabor

[3:29:07] this but I'm going to set I guess I'm

[3:29:08] going to septic is also different than

[3:29:11] holding tank material holding M material

[3:29:14] from what I understand is a little more

[3:29:15] easy I to take for the system yes or no

[3:29:18] answer it it's all still septage okay

[3:29:22] all right just want to know for

[3:29:23] clarification so colleagues we're we've

[3:29:26] had good discussion and it needed to

[3:29:28] happen uh councelor Harris was right it

[3:29:30] sounds nice but oh boy you you you know

[3:29:35] you're these can catch you so I'm I'm I

[3:29:39] would like Council though to make some

[3:29:40] decisions here if they can

[3:29:43] tonight if you want more information or

[3:29:45] think about it that's fine too so

[3:29:48] there's the options we vote one two or

[3:29:50] three see where they go or or a motion

[3:29:53] you want to think about it and have it

[3:29:54] come back I I I'm looking for

[3:29:57] direction I have conf Mr Mayor I have

[3:30:00] confidence that uh our Public's Works

[3:30:03] manager has it uh under control and uh

[3:30:06] has given it proper consideration and

[3:30:08] will uh will be aware of all of the

[3:30:11] issues so I think we should move forward

[3:30:16] first one or as many as we have to move

[3:30:18] okay well the first recommendation is

[3:30:20] that uh that Council direct staff to

[3:30:22] allow hold septage generated in the

[3:30:26] municipality to be discharged in Hensel

[3:30:28] and Zurich lagoons is there a

[3:30:32] mover can we add on an emergency basis

[3:30:38] there um or something there emergency

[3:30:42] yeah then it's clear then it's clear for

[3:30:45] sure he's to have some other rules in

[3:30:47] there to fine detail but they they like

[3:30:49] to get the the main stuff written on the

[3:30:51] front line that's for sure I agree

[3:30:53] emergency

[3:30:54] use uh there'll be dates and all that entails right like only okay

[3:31:01] yeah but so it's good to have that word

[3:31:02] yeah I I I I'm fine with that I don't

[3:31:05] think it I don't think it wrecks the

[3:31:06] intent of the motion that's that's only

[3:31:08] I'm looking at right from and of course

[3:31:10] chander is still the last word on that

[3:31:13] but if that if she can sees that isn't a change in the intent then uh we're

[3:31:19] going to leave it

[3:31:20] there so the motion reads Z lagoons and

[3:31:24] includes emergency use

[3:31:29] only is that clear enough for

[3:31:34] everyone I'm gonna call the question is

[3:31:36] there a seconder sorry I don't have a

[3:31:38] seconder yet sorry you're right

[3:31:40] Vandenberg will councelor Vandenberg

[3:31:43] second

[3:31:46] I'm going to call the question all those

[3:31:48] in favor of the motion say I I any

[3:31:52] opposed

[3:31:54] Nate I hear I believe the eyes have it

[3:31:58] I'm going to say that one as pin p

[3:32:01] pass on number two that Council direct

[3:32:05] staff to make the appropriate amendments

[3:32:07] to the Zurich and Hensel wastewater

[3:32:09] treatment facility ECA to formally

[3:32:11] identify the ability to accept called

[3:32:14] septage Mr May I'll move

[3:32:17] that Harris Harris if I can add to it I

[3:32:22] feel that that maybe should have been

[3:32:23] the first recommendation so that we can

[3:32:25] find out whether or not BM Ross uh

[3:32:28] actually will allow the septic to be put

[3:32:30] into the lagoons duly noted sir thank

[3:32:34] you is there a

[3:32:36] seconder councelor Walden with second

[3:32:38] councelor

[3:32:40] Walden your worship councelor Harris did

[3:32:43] you add verbage to two number two uh I

[3:32:48] just thought it should have been the

[3:32:49] first recommendation is all my was my

[3:32:53] opinion okay thank you for that

[3:32:58] clarification so the there was nothing

[3:33:00] added uh for the

[3:33:02] record good comment though there was

[3:33:04] good comment I'll say all right uh is

[3:33:09] what's been moved and seconded I'm going

[3:33:10] to call the question all those in favor

[3:33:12] say I I I and any opposed

[3:33:16] hearing none motion carries and number

[3:33:19] three that Council direct staff to

[3:33:21] include the $4,000 in the

[3:33:24] 21 2021 sewer budget to have Zurich and

[3:33:27] Hansel water treat Wastewater Treatment

[3:33:30] Facility in the ECA amended is there a

[3:33:38] mover so all mve Deputy Mayor Deputy

[3:33:42] Mayor thank

[3:33:43] you Secor

[3:33:46] sorry I wasn't hit he didn't hit the

[3:33:48] mute button fast enough wetstone okay

[3:33:50] thank you councelor wetstone it's been

[3:33:52] moved and

[3:33:54] seconded uh I think it's clear fairly

[3:33:57] clear I'm going to call the question all

[3:33:58] those in favor I I those

[3:34:02] opposed hearing none motion carries I

[3:34:06] did add a fourth bullet point that the

[3:34:08] uh septage fee be updated to uh better

[3:34:13] cover the cost now what's the word that

[3:34:15] you asked for sir uh councelor cost

[3:34:18] recovery full cost

[3:34:21] recovery that that that be the fourth

[3:34:23] motion is that okay with chander because

[3:34:25] it wasn't in the public is it close

[3:34:27] enough for the intent though of the

[3:34:30] discussion if I could just repeat it was

[3:34:33] um that septic discharge fees must cover

[3:34:36] the cost of discharge be be updated to

[3:34:39] cover to have full cost

[3:34:41] recovery mayor yes would you uh

[3:34:44] considering that bullet including the

[3:34:46] 4,000 specify including the

[3:34:49] $4,000 uh for the

[3:34:52] ecas like just make it specific full

[3:34:56] cost recovery in in this is including

[3:34:58] you know what I

[3:34:59] mean you don't have to but that that

[3:35:01] would specify that we're not planning to bill the sewage people that have

[3:35:07] sewers for this you know what I'm saying

[3:35:11] yeah Dave is that okay with

[3:35:14] that yeah okay I think the intent is

[3:35:17] there yeah I would have it would have

[3:35:19] been included anyways but I'm I'm okay

[3:35:21] with the verbage being added you miss

[3:35:23] thank you I I didn't real I didn't totally grasp that thank you but

[3:35:28] it's a good point we're we're driving

[3:35:29] the point home we don't we want this

[3:35:31] paid back as soon as possible and and uh

[3:35:33] and and actually make some money for the

[3:35:35] Kitty uh for sure okay so is that clear

[3:35:39] enough updated to cover to full cost

[3:35:43] recovery is that close enough you can

[3:35:45] work with the

[3:35:46] yes okay and and Council understands the

[3:35:49] intent okay I'm going to is there a move

[3:35:51] or secutive for that Council Walden

[3:35:53] would

[3:35:54] move Walden councelor Harris you

[3:35:57] seconding why not thank you Mr Mayor for

[3:36:01] discussion yes um I'd just like to say

[3:36:03] thank you very much uh Mr ker for your

[3:36:06] work on this we're not trying to give

[3:36:07] you a hard time we're just trying to

[3:36:08] make it work no that's not a problem at

[3:36:11] all I don't I don't take it as you

[3:36:12] giving me a hard time I take it as

[3:36:14] valuable input so not a problem at all

[3:36:16] thank you okay thank you I'm going to

[3:36:19] call the question all those in favor say

[3:36:21] I I I any opposed hearing none motion

[3:36:28] carries uh is that all for your tonight

[3:36:32] Mr I think that's it for me you don't

[3:36:34] want to add anything yet I'm I'm good

[3:36:36] right now okay thank you thank you um

[3:36:40] Fleet Surplus Zurich

[3:36:43] Olympia Jeff are you there hi am good

[3:36:46] evening Council um Council we we've read

[3:36:50] the report is there anything you wish to

[3:36:52] add to it because there's a

[3:36:53] recommendation here that we uh make it a

[3:36:56] surplus um in the essence of time are

[3:36:59] you I hope you're not

[3:37:00] insulted not at all there's nothing you

[3:37:02] needed to add here nope I'm gonna I'm

[3:37:05] gonna ask is there a the recommendation

[3:37:07] is there a moving or a second for this

[3:37:09] moved councelor Walden seconded by

[3:37:11] councelor vanenburg any

[3:37:14] discussion all those in favor of the

[3:37:16] recommendation please say I I any

[3:37:20] opposed motion carries council chambers

[3:37:25] update um is there anything you wish to

[3:37:28] add to the report I know Council spent a

[3:37:30] lot of time reading this stuff like they

[3:37:32] always do but is there anything

[3:37:35] uh yeah um so we had just had made um a

[3:37:40] recommendation that we would not move

[3:37:41] forward with the painting and carpeting

[3:37:43] of council chambers but we've identified

[3:37:45] money in the budget this year from an

[3:37:47] operational standpoint which means that

[3:37:49] we could uh in fact get painting done of

[3:37:53] the council chambers gallery and kitchen

[3:37:56] area and it would be uh underneath a

[3:37:59] $7,000 limit that we've

[3:38:02] got okay now keep in mind that last

[3:38:06] year's budget we we said you know we're

[3:38:09] there was recommended to do all of it

[3:38:11] but the council and keeping in mind that

[3:38:13] the taxpayers said let's do it uh one at

[3:38:17] a time so we put in the budget to do the

[3:38:20] offices in Zurich yeah and as and as as

[3:38:23] pointed out because Co I guess maybe in

[3:38:26] one way uh had a positive for this

[3:38:29] because the staff if I if I understand

[3:38:31] this right we're able to do a lot of the

[3:38:33] work and of course but the people not

[3:38:34] being in the office they probably even

[3:38:36] made some time and this time has

[3:38:38] reflected in some savings and

[3:38:41] so rightfully we were figuring on doing

[3:38:43] it in this coming budget

[3:38:45] uh it looks like we're going able to do

[3:38:47] this and and um get a lot of it done and

[3:38:50] not and not we'll have free up some

[3:38:52] money for this upcoming budget for other

[3:38:54] things is that a fair statement that's

[3:38:56] correct thank you is there a motion for

[3:38:59] this recommendation Council W would move

[3:39:01] councelor Walden is there a

[3:39:04] second councelor

[3:39:06] vanenburg is everyone clear on the

[3:39:09] motion and the

[3:39:10] intent I'm going to call the question

[3:39:13] all those in favor of the recommendation

[3:39:17] any

[3:39:18] opposed hearing none motion carries and

[3:39:21] I just want to say also to the staff

[3:39:22] thank you for for uh you know doing the

[3:39:25] job but also and taking the initiative

[3:39:28] and make and bringing forth this

[3:39:29] recommendation to council I think that

[3:39:32] bodess well on all of us and uh it does

[3:39:34] not go unnoticed thank

[3:39:36] you uh the second Point uh is the uh

[3:39:42] resilience infrastructure correct

[3:39:45] and

[3:39:46] that's our

[3:39:49] CEO well is she still there yes yes I am

[3:39:54] thank you and uh it must be a sign of a

[3:39:55] great Council that managers compete to

[3:39:58] do Council reports to present before you

[3:40:00] it was originally going to be mine but

[3:40:02] the treasure beat me to it so I'd like

[3:40:04] to defer to her since she did write it

[3:40:06] so okay thank you uh I appreciate all

[3:40:10] the staff sticking around by the

[3:40:13] way okay um I get answorth is this who's

[3:40:16] going to be yep I can I can uh feel the

[3:40:20] report um basically we've set out in

[3:40:22] front of you the options uh staff were

[3:40:25] directed to come up with a A list of

[3:40:28] projects and Council gets to make the

[3:40:31] tough decision as to which one uh you

[3:40:34] want us to select and fully cost and

[3:40:36] enter into the system by December 21st

[3:40:39] to be for the

[3:40:42] funding okay

[3:40:45] counselors there's

[3:40:48] uh people brought in some ideas and a

[3:40:51] combination of things is there anyone to

[3:40:55] get things moving along is there anyone

[3:40:56] wish to make a a motion or or anything

[3:40:59] councelor

[3:41:00] Walden yes please Mr Mayor yes if we

[3:41:03] could rule rule it down to number four

[3:41:05] more

[3:41:06] Court um and the just that says

[3:41:10] 77,000 but total of

[3:41:12] 93 that one there uh also we also

[3:41:16] discussed it could be some Bridge work

[3:41:17] or some extra drain work done possibly

[3:41:19] with some of this money I don't know if

[3:41:22] that's

[3:41:23] possible but uh I'd like to make a

[3:41:25] motion for more Court oh okay so we have

[3:41:30] a motion to do more Court then if I may

[3:41:33] Mr Mayor my logic is that uh I believe

[3:41:36] we we passed it on budget this year and

[3:41:41] then when we allocated

[3:41:43] our Bridge uh reserve and Road funds to

[3:41:47] a different project $419,000 went work

[3:41:50] Court also was bypassed again so this is

[3:41:52] the the third time that I'm just trying

[3:41:54] to make a an acknowledgement that this

[3:41:57] needs to be done and we have potential

[3:42:00] funds okay uh since there's been a

[3:42:03] motion I need someone to Second it for

[3:42:05] discussion uh is there someone wishing

[3:42:08] to make it councelor venberg are you

[3:42:10] second it yes I'll second it if I can

[3:42:13] make comment too on it okay thank you uh

[3:42:16] for those are you getting background

[3:42:18] noise out that that aren't at the

[3:42:20] meeting here because the fan came on so

[3:42:22] if I'm I I'm not trying to ignore anyone

[3:42:25] it's a little harder to hear so so bear

[3:42:28] with me okay uh it's been moved and

[3:42:31] seconded councelor venberg you wish to

[3:42:34] speak yep thank you mayor

[3:42:38] and we're we're caught we're we're all

[3:42:40] caught in a hard place I mean there

[3:42:42] there's nine items here we've got a

[3:42:44] tight deadline

[3:42:46] uh to to make these choices and and

[3:42:49] they're all valid uh um selections as

[3:42:53] well but um just to add in I I did put

[3:42:57] in the request for Mo Court uh it did

[3:43:00] come

[3:43:01] before council at budget time and uh at

[3:43:06] that time it was uh defeated and and

[3:43:09] that's that's the way it is and it was

[3:43:11] also to do with the it would put I

[3:43:14] believe an ex

[3:43:16] levy on the uh the residents as well but

[3:43:19] shortly

[3:43:20] after uh our our budget had passed and

[3:43:24] Mr kuster could maybe correctly uh maybe

[3:43:29] two weeks later three weeks later we had

[3:43:31] the road uh asset uh management report

[3:43:35] that came out and uh for more Court it

[3:43:39] was

[3:43:40] rated the worst paved Road and I say

[3:43:43] paved Road in the municipalities so

[3:43:47] there is an urgency to get that repaired

[3:43:49] it is a an asset and uh I hate to see it being uh Ro not being maintained

[3:43:57] properly so that's why I put it back um

[3:44:02] into this uh request or into this fund

[3:44:05] for your

[3:44:06] consideration okay thank you further

[3:44:10] comments questions counc Mr Mars

[3:44:13] councelor Harris councel Harris yeah and

[3:44:15] I agree with ccer vanderberg everybody's

[3:44:17] stuck between a rock and a hard place

[3:44:19] when there's nine selections and I was

[3:44:22] when I first read it I was concerned on

[3:44:24] how this was going to be approached to

[3:44:26] be honest with you uh because there's

[3:44:28] multiple things here that I think the

[3:44:30] money should go towards and I'm not sure

[3:44:32] how you just pick one of nine um if you

[3:44:35] want to talk assets number nine being

[3:44:38] the HV HC units in h both Arenas in

[3:44:42] Zurich and Hensel Zurich being three and

[3:44:43] one in Hensel um that's an asset that I

[3:44:46] mean if you could get paid for that's

[3:44:48] something that could last another 10 to

[3:44:50] 15 years I mean how do we pick one like

[3:44:55] I don't understand like I understand

[3:44:56] there's a motion out there and if I say

[3:44:59] Nate then it goes to the next counselor

[3:45:01] and he picks his and then it gets

[3:45:03] seconded and then it gets denied like

[3:45:05] how does this work well yeah

[3:45:09] um the government came forth I guess the

[3:45:12] good news was the government through

[3:45:14] covid

[3:45:15] uh and if I I understand there wasn't

[3:45:18] every municipality got this maybe some

[3:45:20] got more I don't know they they threw

[3:45:22] this special they threw it I shouldn't

[3:45:24] say Throw they put forth this

[3:45:27] $100,000 that a number of municipalities

[3:45:30] got it it's 100,000 it wasn't you know

[3:45:34] 300,000 or whatever it's still a chunk

[3:45:36] of change H the criteria was as you see

[3:45:40] they wanted it sort of spent on

[3:45:42] something and that was tangible

[3:45:45] not engineering they didn't want a lot

[3:45:47] of engineering fees they were pretty

[3:45:49] clear about that and a few things so

[3:45:51] you're right we we we it's a lot of

[3:45:54] money but it isn't a lot of money to do

[3:45:56] some things

[3:45:58] so we we threw it out people did make uh

[3:46:03] ideas that came around this the staff

[3:46:05] had some ideas too and uh and this is

[3:46:08] what we ended up with at some point

[3:46:10] though we do have to make a decision and the only way we do it is through

[3:46:14] motion and there's a motion here right

[3:46:17] now um and U we'll see where it goes uh

[3:46:22] so I don't know where it'll go but we'll we'll just this is how it works so

[3:46:27] Mr counselor yeah if I

[3:46:30] could yes go

[3:46:32] ahead councelor wetstone I think yeah if

[3:46:35] I can and I think and I'm I'm not sure

[3:46:37] if if I'm listening to councelor Harris

[3:46:41] differently I'm I'm looking at it as

[3:46:45] who put their hand up first to make the

[3:46:47] motion

[3:46:48] first that's not the way this should

[3:46:50] have been done this should have been we

[3:46:52] should have talked about ones and not

[3:46:55] just made a motion and now we're now

[3:46:57] we're just going to keep defeating

[3:46:58] everything until somebody gets what they

[3:47:00] want you know at the end of the day it

[3:47:02] seems like we're just rushing into it to

[3:47:03] get it done more than anything else

[3:47:06] because to be honest we have a Paving

[3:47:08] policy I'm not supporting Mo Court not

[3:47:11] because I think the one in Bayfield is

[3:47:14] the right one

[3:47:15] I believe there's another one that's

[3:47:16] more

[3:47:18] important Mr Mayor may make a comment Y

[3:47:22] uh Mr may my Logic for supporting more

[3:47:24] court is that it was in uh dire shape

[3:47:29] this year at budget time and it was

[3:47:31] defeated at budget and we had other

[3:47:34] Reserve funds and we didn't look at work

[3:47:37] court at that time and this is a road

[3:47:39] that really does need work it's

[3:47:41] something that has been identified in

[3:47:43] the past it's not just a new idea and uh

[3:47:46] it's something that we could complete as

[3:47:48] a as municipality and and say hey we did

[3:47:51] that and that's that was my logic in and

[3:47:53] nominating that particular

[3:47:59] project

[3:48:01] okay any

[3:48:04] what the motion's out there we have to

[3:48:06] vote on it one way or the other now

[3:48:07] right

[3:48:10] so well from my understanding of how how

[3:48:13] it works

[3:48:16] yes uh but

[3:48:18] I I uh I I don't want also all of us as

[3:48:22] counselors to

[3:48:24] get um feeling that we're going to get

[3:48:27] uh at each other if I can say it that

[3:48:29] way as a chair no no that is that is

[3:48:32] that that was almost I almost wanted

[3:48:34] this 100,000 we didn't get it quite

[3:48:36] frankly about it if you want to know

[3:48:38] when I seen why why is the government

[3:48:39] doing this but at the same time I think

[3:48:41] you'd all want to kick somebody if if I

[3:48:43] would have said to the to to the to the

[3:48:45] um Member of Parliament here which she

[3:48:48] uh emailed me and phoned me to say this

[3:48:50] just was announced please get it on your

[3:48:52] table because they're gonna pull it and

[3:48:53] I I could have I almost said you know

[3:48:56] Jeepers so let's just keep that in mind

[3:48:59] I I I accept the responsibility put it

[3:49:02] on me that I accepted a motion of a

[3:49:04] counselor Okay I accept that all right

[3:49:08] but don't I don't want you guys all get

[3:49:09] mad at each other no no that's not the

[3:49:11] case that's not the case I I appreciate

[3:49:13] but I needed to say it

[3:49:15] for my own news yes can I just make a

[3:49:18] note procedurally um so yes the motion

[3:49:20] has been moved and seconded and it's in

[3:49:22] the possession of council right now but

[3:49:24] if the Mover and the seconder agree um

[3:49:26] it can be withdrawn if there are no

[3:49:28] objections of any other members that's

[3:49:30] always an option oh thank thank you for that clarification

[3:49:35] appreciate that and Mr Mayor if I can on

[3:49:39] celer Weston's comments he's absolutely

[3:49:41] right like I mean there's roads and

[3:49:43] Hensel that one in particular that has

[3:49:46] been in I hear about every day yeah but

[3:49:48] I mean it's that that that's the the pro

[3:49:50] we have a Paving policy a Paving process

[3:49:53] the other road that got turned down in

[3:49:55] budget was babyon line and I'm not sure

[3:49:57] how many times you driven down it but

[3:49:59] it's in dialect too I mean no B Babylon

[3:50:03] we actually did what we did with our p

[3:50:05] with our

[3:50:06] housing with our U we did the same thing

[3:50:09] we put enough in so that this year the

[3:50:12] other half comes in and then the road

[3:50:14] will be that that will be paved that's

[3:50:17] how we did that and one of the reasons

[3:50:19] we did that was because in Hensel when

[3:50:22] we had to do pipe work we all agreed

[3:50:25] that you know what that road when you're

[3:50:28] ripping up the pipe to put a little bit

[3:50:29] of cement we might as well fix that and

[3:50:32] we put the money towards that the road

[3:50:34] that you're referring to uh which is in

[3:50:37] front of the uh if it's what I think it

[3:50:39] is the post office um I've already uh

[3:50:42] double checked with well is you know

[3:50:45] part of the discussion when when the

[3:50:46] Hensel Co-op came up with the idea of

[3:50:49] wanting to take over part of the road uh

[3:50:51] part of it for me I think probably for

[3:50:53] most of you that had the discussion or

[3:50:55] at least with the back of your mind if

[3:50:57] they get it as is we've just saved the

[3:50:59] ability for the rest of that road to

[3:51:01] help in the budget process to get paved

[3:51:03] because we're we're missing how many

[3:51:05] feet at the other end um and I did

[3:51:08] double check as part of this

[3:51:10] discussion with and Dave uh might

[3:51:13] remember I was why I called about about

[3:51:16] when is the main street of Hensel which

[3:51:20] is part of the county which will be

[3:51:22] count of your county budget uh is going

[3:51:24] to be up for Renewal and ripped up and

[3:51:27] redone it sure makes sense at that point

[3:51:30] to have it in the budget and and no

[3:51:32] matter where we are in the priority list

[3:51:34] it sure makes sense to have it that in

[3:51:36] there now the the good news is I agreed

[3:51:40] now of course Council would still have

[3:51:41] to vote but I'd like to think that the

[3:51:42] council with the same comment sense of

[3:51:45] working together as a team that it makes

[3:51:47] sense at those times uh but that won't

[3:51:49] be till

[3:51:50] 2023 that that's happening and again

[3:51:53] this 100,000 I'm not sure if the 100,000

[3:51:56] would do the road properly again it's it

[3:51:58] ashalt costs so dang much uh so um

[3:52:03] anyway uh but that just to be fair and

[3:52:06] yeah Mr may all I was saying was is not

[3:52:09] that I wanted that money towards I was

[3:52:11] saying that we have a PID process you

[3:52:13] said it many times that was a process we

[3:52:15] have a process right we also have a

[3:52:18] process and then this came up and and I

[3:52:21] I'm hearing some of the argument of my

[3:52:23] two colleagues that you're hearing and

[3:52:26] that's was their I take him at their

[3:52:28] word was their intent of why they they

[3:52:30] thought of it anyway

[3:52:32] um go ahead here yeah and and I'll I'll

[3:52:37] go to uh Mr Walden if he wants to uh

[3:52:41] take it off the floor I'm okay with that

[3:52:43] know and we can go go through them all

[3:52:47] uh I'm okay with that too so okay it

[3:52:50] might be a a matter where we're g to

[3:52:52] have to pick one out of the Hat then or

[3:52:54] two out of the hat with a further

[3:52:57] discussion on

[3:52:59] matters I look to the direction of the

[3:53:02] two counselors Mr Mayor uh as I said

[3:53:05] before my my Logic on the motion I would

[3:53:08] support a motion on any of these

[3:53:10] projects this is the project that I

[3:53:12] thought was most important that we could

[3:53:15] achieve and uh the $100,000 is outside

[3:53:19] of our policies if somebody handed us

[3:53:21] $100,000 said here what can you do with

[3:53:23] it this is why I made that motion so I'm

[3:53:25] GNA leave the motion if it gets defeated I understand it's not

[3:53:28] about being first I think it's just the

[3:53:30] recommendation that I had okay thank

[3:53:34] you counselors um that uh is there any

[3:53:39] further

[3:53:42] discussion I will comment that uh with

[3:53:45] regards to uh in know a valid point I

[3:53:47] looked at they I looked at all of them I

[3:53:49] thought they all for the most part well

[3:53:52] Shoreline protection the Lakes up and

[3:53:54] this is supposed to be sent within a

[3:53:55] year I'm I appreciate I'm glad it got

[3:53:58] ticked off to think about but yeah that

[3:54:00] one I I got to admit that one I was not

[3:54:02] on the idea that it's not a great idea

[3:54:04] but I don't to fit they want this money

[3:54:08] they would like this money that was part

[3:54:09] of the criteria that it's be spent in

[3:54:11] the coming year and be spent majority of

[3:54:14] it on on hiring people to do labor um

[3:54:18] Engineers are important but I guess they

[3:54:20] thought they didn't want to be up all in

[3:54:22] engineering fees at least that's what I

[3:54:24] got the impression of when I look at U

[3:54:27] so I will look at uh at the hvacs that

[3:54:29] really got my attention too but as as

[3:54:32] was pointed out we're talking a a maybe

[3:54:34] 10year life cycle when I'm looking at

[3:54:37] something that I thought about this

[3:54:38] 100,000 it's something cander ashal

[3:54:41] that's going to be 20 or 30 year

[3:54:43] lifespan

[3:54:44] and and get it off our table I was quite

[3:54:47] frankly that the sidewalks I thought

[3:54:49] might have been uh something that we put

[3:54:51] 20,000 in the budget for the first time

[3:54:53] in a long time we we put that in the

[3:54:56] budget but I thought well there you go

[3:54:57] maybe that could help out some of them

[3:54:59] but at the same

[3:55:02] time a lot of these places like quite

[3:55:04] frankly brucefield I think the residents

[3:55:07] quite frankly and I agree with them I

[3:55:08] think they would appreciate that we

[3:55:10] start putting money away to pave the

[3:55:12] lane so again the 100,000

[3:55:15] um but uh so as I as I go through u i

[3:55:19] there's a motion here is there any

[3:55:21] further comments we'll call the question

[3:55:23] and we'll and I appreciate the Mover and

[3:55:25] the seconder in their uh in their

[3:55:27] comments but we'll see what

[3:55:29] happens Mr Mayor and I I if I'm not

[3:55:32] going to support a motion I have to I

[3:55:34] have to make it clear to the public and

[3:55:36] Council why I'm not going to support it

[3:55:38] because it is part of our asset

[3:55:40] management plan uh if it's in that bad a

[3:55:42] shape it should show up in the Ash

[3:55:45] management replacement plan so I think

[3:55:47] it'll get done when it's

[3:55:52] appropriate okay that's why I just had

[3:55:54] to make that clear no no very good uh is

[3:55:58] there any other comments or

[3:56:01] questions so the motion is uh to repay

[3:56:05] more Court I'm going to call the

[3:56:07] question all those in favor say I I I

[3:56:12] all those against say

[3:56:15] Nay n n

[3:56:19] nay oh boy you guys are making it it's

[3:56:22] hard to pick up here raise your hand

[3:56:24] instead if it's easier right yeah that's

[3:56:26] thank you counselor all those in favor

[3:56:29] raise your hand now I I got a hit I'm

[3:56:31] gonna have to have our because it's on

[3:56:32] the book here uh where is our clerk can

[3:56:35] you see everyone perhaps I can just um

[3:56:38] go through the list of names and just do

[3:56:40] an informal or not informal but just

[3:56:44] respond when I say your name sure okay

[3:56:47] so mayor yes you're in support of yep

[3:56:52] Deputy Mayor

[3:56:54] Ferguson

[3:56:56] opposed opposed thank you councelor

[3:57:02] Becker I didn't get that counselor

[3:57:09] Becker I support the motion thank you

[3:57:12] John uh councel Harris

[3:57:16] opposed councelor uh vandenbberg

[3:57:20] yes councelor Walden yes and councelor

[3:57:25] wetstone

[3:57:26] oppose it carries oh it does I thought

[3:57:30] there's like four I was thinking there

[3:57:31] was mayor CL councelor Becker councelor

[3:57:34] venburg and councelor Walden in support

[3:57:37] but there's two there's two counselors

[3:57:39] not here right okay I I thought there

[3:57:41] was only one beside me right okay

[3:57:45] right so that motion carries that's

[3:57:47] correct

[3:57:49] okay so forward with filling in the

[3:57:52] application and getting it submitted

[3:57:54] before the 21st for the deadline okay

[3:57:57] thank

[3:58:00] you okay where are we at

[3:58:04] now we're

[3:58:07] at corporate

[3:58:10] services corporate services 7.61

[3:58:15] right Council the report is in front of

[3:58:17] you um the recommendation is the council

[3:58:20] approve the replacement of windows in

[3:58:22] the front deck and painting oh was there

[3:58:24] any

[3:58:25] questions of 16 the square Sor I need a motion for the

[3:58:32] recommendation councelor

[3:58:34] wetstone is there a

[3:58:37] seconder

[3:58:40] backer any discussion I'm going to call

[3:58:43] the question all those favor of the

[3:58:45] recommendation I

[3:58:48] iOS hearing none motion carries uh mayor

[3:58:52] Klo I did just want to note that we need

[3:58:54] a um a motion to move past four

[3:58:59] hours we need a motion how far have we

[3:59:01] got to go here um past four hours

[3:59:08] okay walked into that one Deputy are you

[3:59:10] making the motion or uh I guess are you

[3:59:14] the motion so we can finish tonight I

[3:59:17] try to redeem myself there is there a

[3:59:19] Secor for the

[3:59:21] motion

[3:59:24] Secor councelor

[3:59:26] Becker all those in favor I any opposed

[3:59:31] none opposed we carry on till we get

[3:59:33] done I hope all right thank you

[3:59:37] um

[3:59:39] 7.61 we did 2021 draft budget

[3:59:44] recommendation number one and there's

[3:59:45] two recommendations that's

[3:59:48] correct Council has read the report is

[3:59:51] there any uh one prepared to make a

[3:59:53] motion on the first

[4:00:01] recommendation

[4:00:04] anyone councelor

[4:00:07] wetstone okay is there a

[4:00:11] seconder wal second councelor Walden

[4:00:16] any uh any questions on the budget draft

[4:00:20] budget hearing none I'm going to call

[4:00:22] the question all those in favor of the

[4:00:24] recommendation I any

[4:00:28] opposed I hearing none motion carries on

[4:00:31] recommendation two the council

[4:00:33] authorized staff to apply for a summer

[4:00:35] student wage subsidy National

[4:00:37] Trust so moved so moved so moved by

[4:00:41] councelor

[4:00:42] Walden

[4:00:45] seconder councilor

[4:00:47] vanenburg questions on the

[4:00:51] recommendation

[4:00:52] subsidy hearing none I'm going to call

[4:00:55] the question all those in favor of

[4:00:56] recommendation number two say I I any

[4:01:01] opposed hearing none motion

[4:01:05] carries proposed 20 21 meeting budget

[4:01:10] schedule approve the 21 budget meeting

[4:01:13] schedule

[4:01:14] I'll move the

[4:01:20] recommendation

[4:01:25] okay is there a

[4:01:29] seconder councelor bannenberg

[4:01:35] discussion any discussion the dates are

[4:01:38] there we'll try to all best we can

[4:01:40] attend

[4:01:41] them um I gather most of them will be

[4:01:44] Zoom unless something changes

[4:01:45] drastically so I'm assuming we're all

[4:01:48] going to work from home just for the

[4:01:49] record I don't see much point

[4:01:52] [Music]

[4:01:53] in Mr mayor council Becker why can't we

[4:01:57] start in the morning and everybody's

[4:02:00] fresh instead of starting at noon and

[4:02:04] dragging out till 7 o' at night that's a

[4:02:07] long day to sit there and look at

[4:02:10] numbers some of us have to

[4:02:14] work in the afternoon or in the evening

[4:02:17] I know some people have to work during

[4:02:19] the day too

[4:02:20] but over the years I found that we do

[4:02:23] our best

[4:02:25] discussion in the mornings and up till

[4:02:32] 3:00 well I I guess if someone that been

[4:02:35] is in the same business as you I I have

[4:02:37] to juggle the chores at some point so

[4:02:40] and distant

[4:02:41] fairness but um

[4:02:44] anyway uh this is the motion that's here

[4:02:48] is uh it has been first and second it we

[4:02:51] can have a if it's defeated we can or a

[4:02:54] friendly Amendment I'm open to

[4:02:58] suggestion just just my suggestion is

[4:03:01] that I found that Council does a better

[4:03:04] job getting things done by a 9 9:30

[4:03:08] start in the morning till 3 in the

[4:03:10] afternoon get more accomplished and

[4:03:12] going late into an evening when

[4:03:14] everybody's

[4:03:15] tired and we got to respect your staff

[4:03:19] too the second meeting is on a council

[4:03:22] night you'll be leaving the zoom and

[4:03:25] then going right into to a council

[4:03:27] meeting within an hour and a

[4:03:30] half the second meeting which one I'm

[4:03:33] sorry I didn't catch that January the

[4:03:39] 18th oh I didn't real I didn't quite

[4:03:42] sorry thank well I guess that's why are

[4:03:43] there's nine of us to read these things

[4:03:47] okay so we got to be wary wary of our

[4:03:50] staff too that's what I'm

[4:03:53] saying but if we start at 9: in the

[4:03:56] morning with both meetings and get done

[4:03:58] at 3 gives everybody time to unwind

[4:04:03] and move forward to the next because we

[4:04:06] got toble to absorb what's on the

[4:04:08] council agenda

[4:04:11] also if I may yes th this is staff's

[4:04:15] recommendation if they were if they were

[4:04:17] concerned about that they would come up

[4:04:19] with a different recommendation it says

[4:04:20] staff are

[4:04:27] proposing okay

[4:04:30] any well is there any other comments and

[4:04:34] if not I'm going to call the question

[4:04:36] and the question would be these are the

[4:04:37] dates that we would be working with and

[4:04:39] the times

[4:04:42] so it's been first and second it so I

[4:04:45] have to I'm gonna have to call the

[4:04:46] question it's uh unless they

[4:04:50] withdrawing I'm not hearing their

[4:04:51] withdrawing so this I'm going to call

[4:04:53] the question these are the meeting dates

[4:04:56] for our U proposed meeting dates and

[4:04:58] then and if we need more there going to

[4:05:00] be more so don't keep that in mind too

[4:05:02] but anyway these are the ones that we're

[4:05:04] trying to work with G to call the

[4:05:07] question all those in favor of these

[4:05:08] dates say I I I any opposed

[4:05:16] the eyes have

[4:05:17] it and this is uh so these are the

[4:05:21] carries

[4:05:22] okay Community safety uh uh Wildwood has

[4:05:26] been pulled for tonight 7.65 Community

[4:05:29] safety and wellbeing Plan update there's

[4:05:32] uh two

[4:05:35] recommendations uh for

[4:05:38] this uh the background you see but uh is

[4:05:42] there any further comment

[4:05:44] that

[4:05:45] uh that uh need to be uh brought up by

[4:05:48] staff with regards to

[4:05:50] this uh through you your worship to

[4:05:52] council I would just like to note that

[4:05:54] this has been an excellent opportunity

[4:05:57] for the lower tiers to partner in um a

[4:06:00] plan that's

[4:06:01] legislated um so we're working together

[4:06:04] and

[4:06:06] um the the social research and planning

[4:06:09] Council are perfectly posed to carry out

[4:06:13] the engagement and research aspects of

[4:06:15] the required

[4:06:18] plan okay so the first recommendation is

[4:06:21] bylaw

[4:06:23] 292020 has pointed out it's been uh we

[4:06:26] sort of have to do this it's been

[4:06:29] mandated by our big brother so here's

[4:06:32] the process is there a mover and a

[4:06:34] second or for this

[4:06:35] motion Council W moves councelor walon

[4:06:39] is there a

[4:06:42] seconder councelor

[4:06:45] venberg

[4:06:46] okay um all those in favor of the

[4:06:50] motion say I hi any opposed hearing none

[4:06:55] motion carries the second one is that we

[4:06:57] need to put five approve

[4:07:00] $5,000 the 2020

[4:07:04] budget for in the reserve is there a

[4:07:08] mover for this motion councelor Harris seconded by

[4:07:18] councelor W Walden thank

[4:07:21] you mayor klopp I'll just clarify that

[4:07:24] it is to roll over the 5,000 as well as

[4:07:27] an additional 5,000 in the 20121 budget

[4:07:31] sorry I didn't read it all I apologize

[4:07:33] there the uh the faces of us of you uh

[4:07:38] great counselors are in half way across

[4:07:40] my sheet so I just thank you for doing

[4:07:42] that

[4:07:44] okay everyone's clear on the motion as

[4:07:46] stated by the clerk I have a question if

[4:07:49] I could go ahead and and I think I know

[4:07:51] the answer but I did for um just for

[4:07:55] making sure that I do this community

[4:07:58] Well Community safety and wellbe plan is

[4:08:00] a requirement correct yes it's a

[4:08:02] legislated requirement okay and comes

[4:08:05] with a cost

[4:08:07] obviously

[4:08:11] Grand sorry go ahead coun go ahead you

[4:08:13] were about to answer my question I think

[4:08:15] so I was just going to note that it is

[4:08:19] um the fact that it's being shared

[4:08:21] amongst all the lower tiers in here in

[4:08:23] county is um helping significantly with

[4:08:25] the cost um it's certainly not something

[4:08:29] that staff have time to do individually

[4:08:31] and partnering

[4:08:33] is it's I think it's a the right way to

[4:08:37] go because many of the issues that many

[4:08:39] of our vulnerable individuals or groups

[4:08:43] are facing are similar across the county

[4:08:46] um so if we can come up with a plan to

[4:08:48] assist assist those groups

[4:08:51] um and and share the cost I think that

[4:08:54] we're coming out ahead yeah and don't

[4:08:56] get me wrong I think it's an excellent

[4:08:58] plan exactly for what you stated uh I

[4:09:01] just don't like when something's

[4:09:02] mandated and then the cost is downloaded

[4:09:04] onto the municipalities from The

[4:09:06] Province yes and um I I will note that

[4:09:09] there are many other counties who have

[4:09:11] got together who um are paying much more

[4:09:14] to have another consultant do the plan

[4:09:16] for them great and thank you for

[4:09:19] attending by the

[4:09:21] way yes thank you uh I'm glad you got

[4:09:24] those questions asked I didn't realize

[4:09:26] that others were having to hire

[4:09:27] consultants and we've been trying to

[4:09:29] work without that so that's good to know

[4:09:32] for the public thank you for asking that

[4:09:34] question okay so the it's cost it about

[4:09:37] 5,000 a year that's why you need to roll

[4:09:39] it and roll in more obviously you try to

[4:09:42] okay all are we clear with the question

[4:09:44] I'm going to call the question no more

[4:09:47] all right I'm going to call the question

[4:09:48] all those in favor of the 5,000 Levy

[4:09:50] plus the rooll over of the additional

[4:09:53] five all those in favor I I I any

[4:09:57] opposed hearing none motion carries

[4:10:01] thank you thank you councilor's

[4:10:03] announcements tonight

[4:10:06] anything Mr Mayor yes councelor Harris

[4:10:10] go I just want to make note that the

[4:10:13] Hensel fireman with the Hensel kets and

[4:10:17] the Hensel Kinsman are having a drive

[4:10:21] through Santa greeting this Friday night

[4:10:24] from 5:30 to 7 at the fire hall oh

[4:10:30] okay very good thank you that's at five

[4:10:34] o'clock 5:30 to

[4:10:37] 7 and I didn't catch the date I was

[4:10:39] sorry this Friday evening this Friday night

[4:10:43] yeah thank

[4:10:47] you any other

[4:10:50] announcements councelor

[4:10:52] venberg thank you mayor I'll try to be

[4:10:55] uh quick on this one so I'm sitting on

[4:10:59] the advisory committee for here on

[4:11:02] sh's Transit uh we had meeting on Friday

[4:11:07] and it's going real quick as to what

[4:11:10] they're going to do so these roots were

[4:11:12] kind of like predetermined before we

[4:11:14] actually set on on the committee

[4:11:17] so the transit will be operating on

[4:11:21] December the 14th that's what the start

[4:11:24] date is be free rides from December the

[4:11:28] 14th to January the

[4:11:31] 10th nothing things can change down the

[4:11:35] road to but initially uh there'll be two

[4:11:38] runs from Bayfield to Grand van on

[4:11:42] Friday sorry Wednesday and

[4:11:45] Friday uh there'll also be runs or for

[4:11:49] that run in Bayfield the stop will be at

[4:11:52] the Bayfield Town Hall one also at

[4:11:55] Cameron and Highway 21 so we'll be on

[4:11:58] Cameron Street because we don't want

[4:12:05] to I'm not picking up on my mic so just

[4:12:08] wonder everybody else is doing sorry

[4:12:11] counselor okay I'll try again so

[4:12:13] there'll be a

[4:12:15] stop at the Bayfield Town Hall one at

[4:12:19] Cameron in Highway 21 on Cameron Street

[4:12:23] there'll be a stop at the St Joseph park

[4:12:26] by the mailboxes then it'll work its way

[4:12:28] down to the soes in Grand Ben there'll

[4:12:32] also be a daily stop or daily route from

[4:12:36] uh Grand Ben through dashwood down to

[4:12:39] exitor and further down to London so

[4:12:42] then there'll be

[4:12:44] connecting buses that go down to sarna

[4:12:47] but if you can uh here on shores areat

[4:12:56] transit.com Dia Blitz through the papers

[4:12:59] through radio uh they had mentioned

[4:13:01] Bayfield Breeze as well to uh to launch

[4:13:05] it and uh and nothing's set in stone so

[4:13:09] down the road if it's three or four

[4:13:10] months and we say we need to tweak the

[4:13:13] schedules or the stops or whatever then

[4:13:15] we will try to do that as

[4:13:19] well okay thank you and and they'll be

[4:13:23] uh getting that on our website I'm sure

[4:13:25] too yes the

[4:13:30] okay any other uh

[4:13:35] announcements hearing none there was no

[4:13:37] new business this evening on the um on

[4:13:42] our agenda

[4:13:44] okay we're at questions from the

[4:13:47] gallery com your worship I did have one

[4:13:50] registrant for questions from the

[4:13:52] gallery but they have since felt that

[4:13:54] their question was answered and they

[4:13:56] have let me know that they no longer

[4:13:58] will be

[4:13:59] speaking okay thank you uh we're at

[4:14:02] number 11 confirmatory bylaw

[4:14:08] 209-2020 Council Harris councelor

[4:14:12] Harris seconded

[4:14:16] by councelor

[4:14:22] vanenburg all those in favor of the

[4:14:24] confirmatory bylaw say I I I any opposed

[4:14:30] hearing none motion carries I need a

[4:14:33] motion to

[4:14:36] adjourn

[4:14:38] councelor councelor wetone thank you

[4:14:42] seconder

[4:14:45] counselor beer

[4:14:47] Becker thank you all those in

[4:14:51] favor hi say say good night right good

[4:14:55] night all right thank you everyone it's

[4:14:57] been a we had a lot of stuff to discuss

[4:14:59] tonight I appreciate your time and your

[4:15:02] patience thank you

Council - 07 Dec 2020

Transcript