[27:42] We're ready on the right.

[27:47] We'll bring to order the Bronze Accounting Board of Commission is regular meeting for November 17, 2025.

[27:56] I want to thank everybody for coming out using your time to come here and listen to what's going on in the county.

[28:05] So, it is appreciated that you are here.

[28:09] I will lead us tonight in our invocation and pledge of

[28:14] You would all rise, gentlemen, if you were in a cap, please remove it.

[28:22] Lord, we thank you for bringing us together tonight.

[28:24] We appreciate that everybody got here safe.

[28:28] We ask that you guide us, direct us, and keep us wise,

[28:33] that we make the proper decisions for all things that pertain to

[28:38] runs for county.

[28:40] We ask that you give everybody here the wisdom to please pay attention

[28:46] and understand what is going on.

[28:50] We ask that you keep all of our first responders, each and every one of them.

[28:55] Put their life on the line, every minute of the day.

[28:58] Please keep them all safe.

[29:01] and please keep everybody safe on their journey home this evening. We ask these things and

[29:07] you're most holy and precious name. Amen.

[29:36] Okay, we all have our agenda in front of us.

[29:39] Are there any adjustments to tonight's agenda? If not, I need a motion to approve.

[29:46] approval.

[29:49] Time's in Williams.

[29:57] Okay, this is the part where...

[30:00] We're going to public comments. I have quite a few names on here this evening.

[30:07] So please know the rules for public comments. Each speaker may speak for three minutes if you have a group of people, which is basically five or more.

[30:21] One person can come up and speak for eight minutes, but I don't see that on here tonight, so I don't think that's going to be the case.

[30:30] When you come to the podium, please make sure that you state your name and address for the records in the minutes.

[30:37] All comments shall be civil.

[30:38] There'll be no personal attacks, no obscenities or derogatory or slain-the-risk remarks.

[30:45] What comments regarding anybody's candidacy for office, hopefully that wouldn't even

[30:51] be the case since we just had an election or we can have it up.

[30:55] Speakers should not expect the commissioners to engage in dialogue, they'll be no backing

[31:00] back and forth.

[31:02] This is your time to state what you would like to and what it is you would like to talk

[31:08] talk about. So with that we will move on, first on a list, Timmy Evans, Timbo,

[31:16] Kmano.

[31:28] Good evening Mr. Chairman and commissioners. My name is Timmythi Dale Evans

[31:33] and I'm a property owner and taxpayer here in Brunswick County. I live at 3199 Project

[31:39] Road North West. I stand before you tonight because many of us, whether our land touches a

[31:44] club or sits miles away have lost the full use of your property. We own the property we pay taxes on

[31:51] and the property we are supposed to enjoy in peace. North Carolina Law says a human hunter must

[31:57] have written permission to step across my fence line yet the same law gives unleashed hunting dogs.

[32:03] A free pass to roam wherever they please. Packs are released from club tracks and leases and within

[32:08] minutes they are on my land. It could be your land and the land of every family in this county

[32:14] who happens to fall inside a tube to fire mile circle of those release points. This is most of us now.

[32:23] The results are simple and brutal. At my house our pets cannot be let out on the 20 acre track

[32:29] that we own in managed. He must be restrained as so as not to be attacked or attacked towns in

[32:35] established boundaries. Fluplots are abandoned crops or damages can not be picked, loss

[32:40] of revenue. The loss of any acillary use of our property such as a peaceful walk, walking

[32:46] to dog or simply enjoying the property without fear of having to engage a pack of unfamiliar

[32:50] homes. The most recent loss of our property is the rescheduling of my non-year-old mother's

[32:56] annual Christmas event, which has been held at my home for years. It had to be moved due

[33:00] the concerns of dogs and the hunters that accompany them inundating the property and creating

[33:06] an active nuisance.

[33:08] Her children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren participating in the high forties cannot

[33:13] have a family event on roughly 10 acres out of a real fear of confrontation with unwanted

[33:20] packs of dogs traversing the property.

[33:23] This is not a neighbor next to the club problem, this is a Brunswick County problem.

[33:27] Our county has more than doubled in population since 2000 from 73,000 to 153,000 souls in 2024.

[33:36] We've added 46,000 new residents since 2010.

[33:41] Thousands of new homes set on one quarter, one, two, and five acre lots.

[33:46] We've become the very picture of the development and traffic density that calls the general family decades ago

[33:53] to ban unrestrained dog deer hunting west of the dog deer line.

[33:59] The condition they banned it for about then exists here now,

[34:02] right here in Brunswick County and they are getting worse by the month.

[34:06] Commissioners, you have the power to declare that this outdated loophole

[34:10] has no place in modern rapid, rapidly growing county.

[34:14] I respectfully ask you to not to do three things.

[34:19] Direct staff to prepare a resolution stating

[34:21] clear that the current,

[34:23] dull, trespass loophole is incompatible with public safety

[34:27] and private property rights in Brunswick County.

[34:30] Direct the County Attorney to work with County staff to either

[34:32] amend or include texts that prohibits

[34:34] dolls from roaming on private properties without proof of consent.

[34:38] This can be included in the nuisance section

[34:40] of county ordinance.

[34:42] Record all-honey members to carry a copy of their lease

[34:46] electronically or paper for proof of permission to hunt marked or unmarked properties.

[34:52] Every single resident of this county deserves to use every square foot of the land we own

[34:58] without fear and without intrusion by dogs from a dog hunting club.

[35:02] I thank you for your time.

[35:04] Thank you, Timber.

[35:09] Cindy Henry?

[35:17] Good evening, Mr. Chairman and ladies and gentlemen of the Board of Commissioners.

[35:22] I'm Cindy Henry, my husband, and I live at 310 Green Hill Road in Winnebeau, and I'm here to voice

[35:30] my concerns about the tremendous amount we are paying for fire tax. We've noticed in the last

[35:37] couple of years that it has skyrocketed. This year our fire tax is almost as much as our property

[35:45] taxes. My husband owns the small business in Leland and we live on a farm land we have lived

[35:51] for 45 years, which is undeveloped land, which never will be developed because it is in the

[35:59] nature, Conservancy Land Trust, and it is all farm land and woods and our house. The

[36:07] fire tax on this property alone is over $2300. The Leeland Fire Tax adds another $800. And I

[36:15] did call and check with Mr. Smith. He was very nice to make sure that what the county was charging

[36:21] us is accurate and he did look at every account and confirmed that yes, that these were the correct

[36:28] amounts we were charged. However, this seems to be a really large amount to pay over $3,000

[36:37] just for fire tax. I have a farm in Georgia and Heritage that is of a similar size as our

[36:45] farm, farm lands, and woods, and one house, and my fire tax on that property is $60.

[36:56] I wonder what this large amount goes to, or are we just building more fire houses on every corner,

[37:06] or do we buy brand new fire trucks every year?

[37:11] I know part of the answer is with the over-development that we probably have more fires and more wrecks.

[37:22] But yet I don't think that the property owners necessarily need to be based on your acreage.

[37:31] It seems like there's some other way that fire taxes could be more equitable.

[37:39] We are just trying to maintain our land and not develop it and it seems like that we have more and more increasing taxes.

[37:51] Thank you and I would appreciate your consideration in figuring out how to fund our fire services more economically and more equitable.

[38:03] the way. In other ways than just adding more taxes to us property owners who are ready in

[38:14] her significant property taxes. Thank you. Can you go to see property address again?

[38:48] I

[38:49] I came this evening because I was made aware that there was potentially going to be some opposition

[38:56] to the improvement building for animal control services.

[39:02] I wanted y'all to know that I have been in the animal advocacy rescue area for more than 20 years

[39:09] in this area. And our business is at 6033 Ocean Highway East, so I'm part of Fixer Friends

[39:18] newter clinic. When I learned that there may be some opposition to this

[39:23] improvement, it struck me to my heart that I felt I needed to attend this meeting

[39:28] tonight. I am not a public speaker by any stretch of the imagination.

[39:35] I just wanted to

[39:37] come and let you all know that when we cannot speak for the voiceless in our county and

[39:46] And what was brought up was a lot of other avenues that these funds could be attributed to

[39:50] and I totally understand that.

[39:53] But when we cannot advocate for the voiceless in our county, then we are not doing the

[40:00] citizens or the voiceless of this community any type of justice.

[40:04] So I'm hoping that with the considerations that are being taken tonight as far as this building

[40:13] is moving forward is that you will consider allowing them to make this improvement for animal welfare.

[40:23] It isn't anything that the private sector can handle. I'm in the private sector and we are often inundated with animal rescue.

[40:32] So to think that it's something that we can manage on the outside without the county's assistance is just not a realistic expectation.

[40:40] So I hope that we can move forward with the project that's being presented tonight to the board.

[40:48] I appreciate your time.

[40:49] Thank you.

[40:50] Thank you.

[40:54] Bill Flith.

[40:55] I don't even see you walking, buddy.

[41:05] It even commissioners and staff members.

[41:09] I am William Flith, a resident Southport.

[41:12] I live at 620 East London Street in Southport.

[41:16] And here tonight to encourage the board to pass a resolution

[41:20] to support and support of the town of selection and funding of a proposed route for the Carolina

[41:30] Bayes Partway Extension. I attended the huge public meeting for this project at Senset

[41:37] Beach on October 23rd and later sent the following comments to the North Carolina Department

[41:44] of transportation in these of my comments. I prefer alternative 4A because alternative 4 connects

[41:52] too quickly with Highway 17 creating a potential bottleneck for miles. The ultimate goal should

[42:01] be an express road that runs parallel to US 17 until it connects to I140. Based upon the rapid

[42:11] growth and bronze at Brunswick County housing, this upgrade and infrastructure should be expedited

[42:19] as soon as possible. Unfortunately, Brunswick County has lagged behind similar transportation

[42:26] groups in nearby counties. Orary County in South Carolina has completed the bypass highway

[42:33] S.C. 31, I forwarded crosses the entire county of New Handover County.

[42:40] Tenant County has completed the bypass around St. Heo.

[42:45] Brunswick County is always indicated a weak link.

[42:49] There were multiple routes to a potential second bridge across the Cape Fierre River a few

[42:55] some years ago that led directly to the state poets.

[42:59] Now, multiple developments, particularly a bunch of force, block these routes.

[43:07] Please do not allow history to be repeated, pick a route, and then fund it.

[43:15] So these are my comments who can't see the O.T.

[43:18] And I am adding a note tonight to this board.

[43:22] Another option for this board is who publicly announced

[43:26] is trust and in CDOT, selecting the best route, and to encourage the North Carolina General Assembly to provide adequate funding in a timely manner.

[43:40] Yes, this extension is a hot-button issue, but I will quote a former president if he can't stand the heat yet out of the kids.

[43:50] Thank you.

[43:59] Surely Sullivan?

[44:15] She's not here right now.

[44:17] All right, come on up.

[44:20] We have your.

[44:21] Is this, are you going to read this or this is okay?

[44:25] Good evening. My name is Judy Andrewsack.

[44:28] I'm from Ocean Island.

[44:31] Carolina Bay's Parkway Extension Plans suck.

[44:34] None of the proposed seven roots are viable as a old dump more traffic

[44:38] to 17 in Shalot. All the routes demonstrate a four-lane highway, meant to connect two

[44:44] six-lane highways, rendering it obsolete before it's even built. You want residents to pay

[44:49] for this fiasco to the tune of close to $800 million. At that figure why not have nc.pro

[44:56] all of Brunskov's roads.

[44:58] Add more badly needed ingress.

[45:00] Gresh Road. Make 176 lanes, Georgetown 4, 904, 179, 130, Longwood, Holden Beach, 87, all 3 lanes. Run a new 4 lanes of road in supply, directly to 95, since you want more businesses and tourons. We aren't asking for these changes, we're demanding better roads. Fix what we have, dot has road and gas taxes that no one seems to know exactly where they're applied, or certainly not used and run to Wick.

[45:28] With a higher elevation construction fiber by the mass developments along our cake, two

[45:34] lane roads with no pullover areas, the ponds are too big, the retention ponds are too

[45:39] big, and too close to these roads, they'll flood the old roads.

[45:43] Token and developer landscape palm trees don't have the root systems to hold an absorb water,

[45:50] which will create more flooding and destruction.

[45:52] It's incomprehensible what this board and planning board are committing and permitting in

[45:56] runs with using, excuse, our hands are tight, while other counties are moving forward with

[46:01] eliminating PFOS, slowing growth, listening to their constituents, complaints, and suggestions

[46:07] to improve their infrastructure, while Brunswick sits complacent with their agenda.

[46:13] Wake up, we accepted you to protect our well-being livelihoods and safety, while promoting

[46:19] our culture, land, and responsible growth, none of us voted for the reckless growth catering

[46:25] developers because they fear a lawsuit. I guess it's easier to submit to a

[46:29] developers' demands than those people you're supposed to be serving. The board

[46:34] and planning board should have been studying and considering when and where

[46:37] county requires new roads, hospitals, businesses, schools, medical centers and

[46:42] expanded utilities instead of submitting to developer demands while ignoring the

[46:47] voices of their constituents. We demand strong leaders who are unafraid to make

[46:52] thoughtful decisions. We demand total inclusion in the growth process with public notices, hearings,

[46:58] and our voices. We are the voters. And we will not be excluded or silenced from any process

[47:04] as either board is rubber stamping. Thank you.

[47:16] Gary Oatspe,

[47:29] good evening. Gary Oatspe, 1156,

[47:32] Lee'sburg Drive, Leeland. I'm here tonight because of an article that appeared in next door.

[47:37] It was regarding the fact that the Brunswick County has decided to go into business, competing

[47:44] with the private sector, creating an animal adoption service.

[47:47] And the price tag, $10 million dollars, and I looked at that and I said, you got to be kidding

[47:52] me.

[47:52] We got so many infrastructure issues in this county right now because of the growth of this

[47:57] county in the last few years, we've got medical facilities that we need.

[48:02] We've got emergency services to handle the new people.

[48:05] We've got Deputy Sheriff's that we need to add to the work force, just to take care of all the new people.

[48:13] We've got recreational facilities that we need to support the people, and in addition to that, we're now in need of new schools.

[48:21] And the latest thing is, we don't have enough money to do that, so we've got to have a bond issue to take care of that.

[48:27] $10 million is a lot of money. Going back to next-door, it's very rare that you see 100% of the people

[48:34] support an issue. The only people that didn't support not giving $10 million to compete with the

[48:41] private industry were people who didn't know that services could exist already and runs with county.

[48:47] All you got to do is do a search on next-on-google and it'll tell you where all you can go if you want to

[48:53] So it's not like this is not something new but now you're going to go in business to compete with the private industry.

[49:00] I don't think that's right. All I'm trying to say is is that when you look at people and you ask them questions from the residents,

[49:08] they want their money spent on things that help their quality of life issues.

[49:14] I just listed a lot of them and you all know what those quality of life issues are.

[49:18] You got $10 million to spend, I'm going to tell you the residents want it spent on their issues first.

[49:25] Thank you.

[49:29] Carol Bridges?

[49:31] I'll say that, right?

[49:33] Or some Bridges.

[49:35] And no war at the end.

[49:36] This is Bridges.

[49:37] Pardon me?

[49:38] Carol Bridges.

[49:39] Bridges like Bridges over Madison County.

[49:43] Chubber over Bridges water.

[49:45] Bridges water?

[49:46] Yeah, you know.

[49:49] Good evening commissioners, if I could have all your attention, I have a very short comment

[49:53] to make.

[49:54] My name is Carol Bridges, and my husband and I are residents of the Wyning River community

[49:59] here in Brunswick County.

[50:01] The address is 1798, Urchin Lane, Southeast in Bolivia.

[50:07] Two years ago, this past September, I and some others formed a 501C3 called Wyning River

[50:13] Pots for a cause.

[50:16] Our goal is to raise money for no kill shelters

[50:19] in our own sheriff's animal services.

[50:23] This past October, we are proud to say

[50:25] we were able to donate $2,500

[50:28] to the sheriff's animal services medical fund

[50:31] in our second year.

[50:33] We are a community that as a whole believes

[50:37] in the sheriff's future goals

[50:38] to not only support the animals of our county,

[50:41] but also the people that own them.

[50:44] Please vote yes to forward our sheriff's office's goals to grow with the county so that all

[50:49] may have greater services.

[50:51] And I believe I'd like to correct on the last statement that it's 5 million, not 10 million.

[50:55] Thank you so much.

[51:04] Josh Kirby.

[51:15] David, how are you all doing today?

[51:18] I just wanted to speak on the agenda tonight.

[51:21] How the schools are over capacity, you're being asked tonight to approve over a million dollars for four modular classrooms.

[51:32] I don't believe those are long-term planning, those are emergency responses.

[51:39] Mr. Pete, when you must repeatedly add temporary classrooms, that is the definition of inadequate public facilities.

[51:45] facilities, which North Carolina law 160-107 identifies as a valid condition for a temporary

[51:53] development pulse. The storm water standards are not protecting people. You are also

[52:02] voting on a storm water ordinance provision that acknowledges the current system is not sufficient.

[52:07] The proposed language admits developments often can't meet a hundred-year requirement.

[52:14] The variances will regular be needed, and in some cases projects may be downvaded to a 25-year standard.

[52:22] These issues fit exactly what the moratorium law was written for.

[52:27] Public facilities are going to be adequate, if a structure can't keep up, or regulations need

[52:33] to be updated to protect public safety.

[52:37] The agenda tonight includes two separate examples of those conditions, overcrowded schools

[52:42] and insufficient stormwater protections.

[52:47] This is not about stopping growth, it's about Iranian development, the capacity to hand

[52:54] Victoria. It is fine to discuss limitations, but the law is equal to clear about your authority.

[53:01] The temporary development policy is legal when the county needs time to fix the systems that are falling behind.

[53:08] Your own agenda items show those systems are falling behind right now.

[53:13] I'm not asking for a moratorium tonight, I'm asking for an honest acknowledgement.

[53:17] And the conditions that justify temporary polls in adequate schools and in adequate storm

[53:22] water protections are apparently documented in tonight's agenda.

[53:27] Recognizing that doesn't stop growth and ensures growth is responsible, sustainable

[53:31] and safe for the people who live here.

[53:34] Thank you.

[53:41] May I be in the back with the purple shirt?

[53:44] Are you Shirley Sullivan?

[53:52] You're not on the list.

[53:56] I don't have your name on this list.

[54:07] Public hearing.

[54:08] It's just.

[54:09] Kirby.

[54:14] So I don't hear it all.

[54:25] The last name is White. That's just Josh Kirby before the

[54:29] public here. Yeah, right here. Oh, he wrote it in the wrong column.

[54:40] Me too. Come on up,

[54:43] this way.

[54:52] Good afternoon everybody. Before I start speaking tonight, I wanted to hand you

[54:56] some stuff to look over. Well I speak. The first packet of stuff is an article that

[55:05] mentions my daughter in myself about the capitalization on the AI boom and

[55:10] expansion of commores. The second one here is my well-water results.

[55:27] Tonight I'm going to represent Rosalind County Conservation Partnership talking

[55:30] about water in the expansion of commores in my daughter. Good afternoon, everyone.

[55:35] My name is Carl White. I am here today not just as a concerns citizen, but

[55:40] as a mother, and mother whose child has paid the price for someone else's pollution.

[55:45] When I look at my daughter, I see innocence, strength and resilience, but I also see paying

[55:50] calls by something that never should have entered our lives, toxic PFAS.

[55:55] Chemicals made and released for decades by commorse, favorable works plant right here in North

[56:00] Carolina.

[56:03] Since the early 1980s, this facility has dumped for ever chemicals into our air, our rivers,

[56:08] in our soil. Potaminating the cave of your river which supplies drinking water for hundreds

[56:14] and thousands of people, including families just like mine. These chemicals don't break

[56:19] down, they build up in our bodies, in our children, and the fish that we eat in the water that

[56:25] we drink. When commores now ask to expand their operations, they're not talking about progress,

[56:32] they are talking about continuing a cycle of harm. This expansion means more emissions, more

[56:38] place and more exposure.

[56:41] And every new ton of PFAS produced is another nail in the coffin, an environmental justice

[56:47] in eastern North Carolina.

[56:49] I was born in 1980, the same year that that commores plant, the parent company, the commores

[56:54] is parent company, due pot, began releasing PFAS into our water.

[56:58] Back then, nobody warned us, nobody told us that our communities would be living science

[57:03] experiments or collateral damage.

[57:05] years later, I get birthed to my daughter. I believe with every father in my being that those

[57:12] chemicals that float through our tap and into our bodies affect her development before she

[57:17] ever took her first breath. Peepas don't just pollute the environment. They change the human body.

[57:24] They disrupt hormones. They affect the brain. They affect development of the brain and call

[57:29] genetic mutations and can cause lifelong disabilities. My daughter challenges are my daily

[57:34] minor that corporate profits should never ever come before human lives. Today I

[57:40] seen here today to say enough is enough, enough poison our water, enough

[57:44] pertaining this is normal, enough sacrificing our children's future still in

[57:48] their potential for companies bottom lines. We do not need an expansion, we need

[57:53] accountability, we do not need promises, many protection, we need North Carolina

[57:57] Department of Environmental Quality and our latest officials to say no to the

[58:01] more expansion. And yes, to our rights to clean air, clean water, and to safe future for our children.

[58:06] If commercial, to expand anything, let it be their responsibility, let them expand their cleanup efforts,

[58:13] their investment, and safe alternatives, and their commitment to restoring the damage they have done,

[58:18] I will keep speaking up from my door, your children, and for everybody else's that's sitting behind me tonight.

[58:24] Also, I would like to say that with little discussion, the Wilmoton City Council recently passed a resolution

[58:32] opposing a proposed expansion of Commaure's Fayetteville Works, I hope that, Brunswick County

[58:38] can do the same.

[58:39] Thank you.

[58:40] Thank you.

[58:53] You're Ms. Sullivan?

[58:54] Yes.

[58:55] Come on up.

[59:04] Thank you.

[59:05] Shirley Sullivan, 5-0-0-2-C record, Southport.

[59:09] I was stuck in traffic to get here.

[59:12] It took me almost an hour from Southport.

[59:15] Thank you for hearing me.

[59:17] Public safety, over-development, traffic studies,

[59:20] and zoning irregularities are my concern.

[59:24] In my review of traffic accidents per NCDOT data,

[59:29] traffic accidents have increased cumulatively,

[59:33] 64% from 2010 to 2022.

[59:38] You would think that the increase would be relative to the increase in population.

[59:45] The increase in population for the same 12 years is 54%.

[59:51] The traffic impact analysis engineering reports indicate 1 or 2% for every plant development

[59:59] in Brunswick.

[1:00:00] County, that is what's allowed by the state. But birds a quick county population growth is more like

[1:00:07] four to half percent a year. And if the correct growth rate were used, it wouldn't matter. The

[1:00:13] traffic impact analysis process does not address public safety. It is geared to what needs to

[1:00:20] be changed for the existing roads to accommodate the estimated vehicle trips per day, adding a signal,

[1:00:27] or a term lane is not enough. Look at these large developments in unincorporated areas that

[1:00:34] have been approved or are upcoming in application, but not built yet. Midway Track 3612

[1:00:41] units, Rice Creek 3400 units, Carolina Strand 1500 units, and Make-O Track 12500 units. In my

[1:00:54] of a two-eleven quarters, I found that 11,000 units have been approved, but not built yet.

[1:01:00] With a current calculation used in TIAs, that's an additional 33,000 to 110,000 vehicles per

[1:01:09] day on top of the existing traffic.

[1:01:13] The STIP R5021 widening project of two-eleven is already outdated.

[1:01:19] And now we are finding that residential developments built in commercially zone parcels do not require public hearing, talk about transparency.

[1:01:29] Four developments in or next to the Long Beach Road extension did not require a TIA.

[1:01:35] As there ever been a TIA done on the extension that was finished in 2016, this is an evacuation route.

[1:01:45] Do you live within five miles of the Duke nuclear power plant?

[1:01:50] Matsu, one of the world's largest munitions depots and our Atlantic Ocean, which further demands the need for evacuation routes?

[1:01:58] We all acknowledge that developmental first run the state,

[1:02:02] Raleigh, and Brunswick County, the Brunswick Blupert

[1:02:05] 2040 comprehensive plan acknowledged the concern for public safety

[1:02:10] of its residents.

[1:02:12] Don't you think it's time to regard the public safety of your

[1:02:16] residents?

[1:02:17] Thank you.

[1:02:25] Jim Bradshaw,

[1:02:40] Chairman, commissioners,

[1:02:42] pleasure to be with you tonight's been a while.

[1:02:44] I'm here tonight to support the animal shelter.

[1:02:48] expansion. But first of all, I want to compliment the sheriff's office and their staff.

[1:02:56] They do a fantastic job at the shelter. I appreciate all they do. I volunteer there.

[1:03:02] Do a great job. The thing that we're looking at tonight, the animal shelter, has been,

[1:03:08] was built about 40 some years ago. It's way out of date. I know in the past they have looked at

[1:03:13] expanding it and never came up to you all so this is an opportunity tonight to look at it and see

[1:03:21] how it can improve our community because there's so many animals that have been gone there and

[1:03:29] have been adopted and I know several of you up here and over here and myself have animals and we need

[1:03:35] of a facility that's up to date that can handle the demand for pets in our community.

[1:03:43] So I appreciate you all considering that.

[1:03:45] I know that it's in the CIP, it will not increase our taxes, and it will be a great benefit

[1:03:52] for the community.

[1:03:54] So thank you all.

[1:04:02] Sue Lampman, hope I said that correctly.

[1:04:09] Pardon me?

[1:04:15] Okay.

[1:04:28] Good

[1:04:36] evening, Mr. Chairman and Honorable Commissioners.

[1:04:41] My name is Pat Kane. I live at 28, 94 Saint James Drive,

[1:04:48] South Fort in Budsville County.

[1:04:52] I'm a relatively recent member of resident of Budsville County.

[1:04:58] I've only been here since 2019.

[1:05:02] I'm someone who has been involved in animal welfare since I was a teenager.

[1:05:09] And I will tell you this, I have worked with the sheriff's animal protective services

[1:05:17] before, and I have never seen the quality of professionals that I have seen in

[1:05:28] were counting. Never, including big cities,

[1:05:35] we have incredible staff, we have a

[1:05:39] woefully inadequate facility.

[1:05:43] One of the things that I did for the shelter I

[1:05:46] worked at the front desk and families and individuals would come in and they

[1:05:54] looking for a pet, a cat, or a dog. And we had a facility to show them. Not the greatest

[1:06:06] but we had it. And we were able to pair many individuals and families and children with

[1:06:16] a pet and it was so wonderful to see these people come out. They were so happy to have

[1:06:26] a new member of their family. So you could say, can't this be done by the private sector?

[1:06:34] Actually it can be for some but not for all. The private sector shelters.

[1:06:44] They have a very,

[1:06:45] high fee if you want to adopt an animal. Because they need to cover their costs. Also,

[1:06:56] they impose a lot of conditions on the families or individuals to adopt an animal.

[1:07:05] If

[1:07:05] you really think about it, if you're not middle class, you cannot adopt an animal from

[1:07:13] private shelter. But in Brentwood County,

[1:07:19] our shelter you can, you don't have to have a fancy

[1:07:23] house, you don't have to be able to provide your dog with a $5,000 operation. You don't have

[1:07:32] to do that. But you can, at the sheriff's shelter, you come and you want to have an animal,

[1:07:39] You want to have it in your family, and you're going to love that animal, and you're going to get it spader-nooted, we can provide that for you.

[1:07:50] The private sector cannot. I cannot tell you the smiles and the love that comes out of the families in our county.

[1:08:01] who rely on the shelter to have their pets, because no, you can't get it from the private

[1:08:08] sector. Don't these people who don't have the most money in the world, don't they have

[1:08:16] a right to have a pet in their family?

[1:08:20] Thank you.

[1:08:21] Thank you.

[1:08:26] that concludes our public comments we will move on to the... excuse me we will move on to the

[1:08:33] consent agenda.

[1:08:36] I'll say I can cook Williams any discussion below those in favour please say aye

[1:08:52] aye

[1:09:04] any

[1:09:04] to the podium, I'm going to read this from here and then I will come down and present this

[1:09:08] to you.

[1:09:17] This is a proclamation designated November 16th to 22nd 2025 as National Hunger

[1:09:24] and Homelessness Awareness Week in Brunswick County, North Carolina. Whereas for several years,

[1:09:32] the National Coalition for the Homeless and National Student Campaign Against Hunger and Homelessness

[1:09:39] have sponsored National Hunger and Homelessness Awareness Week and, whereas, the purpose of this

[1:09:46] proclamation is to educate the public about the many reasons people are hungry and homeless

[1:09:51] in Brunswick County and to encourage support for those serving homeless families and individuals

[1:09:58] as well to inform the community of service opportunities for students and school organizations.

[1:10:05] and whereas there are organizations committed to sheltering providing supportive services

[1:10:13] as well as meals and food supplies to the homeless, including faith-based ministries and

[1:10:20] other nonprofit organizations which recognize that hunger and homelessness continues

[1:10:26] to be a serious problem for many in Brunswick County, and whereas the intent of national

[1:10:33] hunger and homelessness awareness week is consistent with the activities of local organizations

[1:10:39] that assist with the needs of the hungry and homeless.

[1:10:43] Now, therefore, the Bronze Accounting Board of Commissioners, thus hereby proclaim November

[1:10:49] 17th through 25th, 2025, as National Hunger and Homelessness Awareness Week, and encourages

[1:10:56] all residents to recognize that many people lack adequate food and housing and need support

[1:11:03] from the community as well as governmental and non-profit service organizations. This, the

[1:11:11] 7th day of November 2025 signed Mike Fortay, chairman. With that I will make a motion for approval.

[1:11:18] I got a bunch of them.

[1:11:21] Darrell and you get any of those names.

[1:11:24] Would everybody like to come down for this presentation?

[1:11:27] I'm so looking.

[1:11:43] I'm from Fort Wittner, Joe.

[1:11:44] Hi.

[1:11:45] Hi.

[1:11:45] You're just saying that's a door.

[1:11:47] Good.

[1:11:48] Good.

[1:11:48] Good day.

[1:11:49] I'm back.

[1:11:52] Good.

[1:11:53] Good.

[1:11:54] Good.

[1:11:55] Good.

[1:11:57] Good.

[1:11:59] It's everybody would balance this body.

[1:12:08] If I get the giant standing behind it, this is it.

[1:12:14] One, two, three, one, two, three.

[1:12:21] Congratulations.

[1:12:21] We appreciate what you do.

[1:12:33] All

[1:12:55] right.

[1:12:56] We need that back.

[1:13:00] OK.

[1:13:00] Moving on.

[1:13:02] We have a resolution.

[1:13:04] Commission of Williams.

[1:13:07] We'll be presenting.

[1:13:09] This is a resolution opposing the Fuqua Verena Interbasin Transfer request.

[1:13:14] So I will explain what that is.

[1:13:16] This is also a three-page resolution, so I am not going to read the entire thing.

[1:13:20] I will not put you through that, because it's some pretty boring stuff, but I will summarize it.

[1:13:25] In a nutshell, we get our drinking water from upstream in the Cape Fear.

[1:13:30] And as we've heard tonight, there have been some problems with that, which is why we're unrelated to this and litigation with commores.

[1:13:37] But you get your water from a specific river basin.

[1:13:40] Upstream, Fuqua Verena has submitted a request to the state to the Environmental Management Commission to move up to possibly 8 million gallons per day of drinking water from the Cape Fear River Basin to the new River Basin.

[1:13:55] And there's nothing in there request that shows any plan to return that back.

[1:13:59] So all of us downstream could be affected in years to come if they are allowed to take 8 million gallons per day of water out of our River Basin without putting something back.

[1:14:09] Um, as another piece of information, you know, our staff and lower

[1:14:15] care for water and sewer authority have been fighting these kind of things for years.

[1:14:19] It took them five years to respond to an information request, then they wanted us to turn

[1:14:24] around and have 60 days to review the information.

[1:14:27] It took them five years to compile and get them an answer.

[1:14:31] So, and they have scheduled public hearings and the closest public hearing to us is

[1:14:35] in Fayetteville, not exactly a quick drive.

[1:14:38] So I will read the resolved clauses, which are where we state what we're stating and asking

[1:14:44] and they will also be on the screen.

[1:14:47] Therefore, be it resolved that the Brunswick County Board of Commissioners formally

[1:14:50] opposes the town of Fuqua, Verena's Interbasin Transfer Certificate request and the draft

[1:14:56] environmental impact statement as submitted and amended.

[1:15:00] Further, that the Board opposes any interbasin transfer certificate request affecting the Cape Fear River that does not account for the return of the water that's removed.

[1:15:10] Further, that the Board of Commissioners request that the North Carolina Environmental Management Commission to allow the Cape Fear Basin water utilities, which are us, Cape Fear Public Utility Authority and Pender County, additional time to respond and submit comments to the environmental and statement, and the request is certificate.

[1:15:27] The further requests that any extension of time be commensurate with the delay between when we

[1:15:33] requested the information and the time that it was actually delivered.

[1:15:37] Further, that the Board of Commissioners request that the North Carolina Environmental

[1:15:40] Management Commission hold an additional fourth public hearing on the draft environmental

[1:15:45] statement in New Hanover, Brunswick, or Pinder County during the month of December, or January

[1:15:50] to December 2025, or January 2026, to allow the public to attend and provide relevant

[1:15:58] comments on the environmental statement and the requested Intervacentransfer Certificate.

[1:16:03] And it would be adopted this 17th day of November 2025, and I will move a pretty

[1:16:08] second.

[1:16:10] Well, Yums and Cook, any discussion?

[1:16:14] Mr. Chairman, I do.

[1:16:15] I was at the New Hanover Commission this morning, and they passed a summer resolution.

[1:16:19] And then, yes, I think this is quite unfair to allow this to take place, so as a result,

[1:16:26] I firmly agree with that resolution.

[1:16:29] So thank you for bringing it forward.

[1:16:31] And the basic position of the water utilities in this area is if you're going to take it, put it back,

[1:16:36] when you're done, you know, put back what you take out.

[1:16:38] And they don't want to do that because that will double their cost of building pipes from a few quavering

[1:16:42] or to wherever they're trying to get it from them.

[1:16:44] I know I see at least one mayor in here and we're going to ask our clerk to send this to all the municipalities

[1:16:49] we would ask every municipality and runs with county to adopt this. If you're on an HOA board,

[1:16:55] get your HOA to adopt this. The more pressure we put on them, because they were trying to

[1:17:00] slip this through pretty quickly. And it's important that we understand a spotlight on this.

[1:17:05] Yeah, great. Any other discussion? I would just say I appreciate all the work that you did to get that

[1:17:11] move and forward. And I give our staff credit for drawing this up, so thank you to staff as well.

[1:17:18] Okay, no further discussion, all those in favor, please say aye.

[1:17:22] Aye.

[1:17:23] Any opposed?

[1:17:25] Thank you much.

[1:17:27] Okay, cursed eviction.

[1:17:30] Come on up.

[1:17:31] Commercial development dashboard.

[1:17:37] Good evening.

[1:17:39] Excuse me.

[1:17:40] We are here to share our commercial development bed dashboard.

[1:17:44] We are really excited.

[1:17:46] I am going to turn over to Garrett Huckens.

[1:17:48] He created it, and it maintains it, and he'll be the best one to share all the information.

[1:17:57] Thank you, Kirstie.

[1:17:58] Good evening, commissioners.

[1:18:00] Pleasure to be with you here tonight.

[1:18:02] As you may recall earlier this year, I was here before you guys to show you guys the residential development dashboard.

[1:18:10] And in that presentation, I told you guys that we were going to be developing a commercial development dashboard, kind of a commercial version of that.

[1:18:17] And so here today too, show you that dashboard.

[1:18:20] We have completed the development.

[1:18:22] It is live on the website now.

[1:18:24] It's been on there for a couple of months now.

[1:18:28] So let's get into it.

[1:18:30] So again, the dashboard's purpose.

[1:18:33] It was created in response to requests from the community,

[1:18:36] and runs with county leadership, such as yourselves,

[1:18:40] for an online resource to view commercial development

[1:18:42] within the county.

[1:18:44] Very often, especially if I was presenting this to real

[1:18:47] others and other people of the public when we were presenting our residential dashboard very

[1:18:52] often.

[1:18:52] We got a question of, well, this is nice, but what about the commercial stuff, and we're

[1:18:57] in complete agreement, that is something that we definitely wanted to have?

[1:19:03] So, the dashboard itself, the information on the dashboard contains data for commercial and non-residential

[1:19:11] developments from 2019 to present that have been completed or under construction or currently being

[1:19:18] reviewed by the county planning department. This data is broken up into 11 development categories

[1:19:24] and five development statuses. I'll get into that in the second year.

[1:19:31] So concerning the categories

[1:19:32] themselves, I won't read everything on the screen here, but there's quite a few of them and we've

[1:19:39] working it up to represent what we think would be in understandable categories for the public

[1:19:44] that represent the data accurately.

[1:19:48] So this could be a civic public category that would include government facilities, police

[1:19:53] stations, fire stations, medical offices, churches, schools, things like that.

[1:20:03] Also all the way down to things like retail sales and service, just retail establishments,

[1:20:08] things from grocery stores to dollar generals and things like that.

[1:20:14] So again, I won't go through those in two detail here, but on this next slide you can

[1:20:19] see if you're on the dashboard and you do need to view any of the descriptions of these categories

[1:20:24] you can view those on the right side of the development by clicking one of those buttons

[1:20:29] so it'll come up with that description for you.

[1:20:34] A bit about the statuses, as I said, there's five of them.

[1:20:37] So, these basically break down from start to finish what kind of steps the development is going to take in terms of permitting with us in review.

[1:20:47] So, the first step would be under planning review. This means that a site plan has been submitted to the planning department for formal review of that development.

[1:20:57] Step two would be that site plan being approved.

[1:21:00] This is basically our commercial review guys in the planning department approving their site plan

[1:21:04] and telling them they're good with them starting to apply for permits to construct.

[1:21:09] Step three would be the zoning permit issued.

[1:21:12] This is typically in the permitting process, the first permit that will get approved before the fire permit

[1:21:19] before the building permit and things like that.

[1:21:22] So that just means it's been approved.

[1:21:25] This is still in the pre-construction phase.

[1:21:28] Once we get to step three, pretty much all of the data

[1:21:31] that's behind these statuses are just our permitting records,

[1:21:35] which are pretty easily attained by any one of us

[1:21:38] in the planning staff.

[1:21:41] So step four would be all permits have been issued.

[1:21:44] So that means every single permit building permit

[1:21:46] and everything has been approved

[1:21:48] and they have now approved to start construction

[1:21:50] on that development. And then step five would be the projects complete. So all the inspections have been completed

[1:21:57] and it has the certificate of occupancy. It's finished and ready to go.

[1:22:05] A lot of data is on this

[1:22:07] dashboard and in an effort to help just navigate it and filter it a bit. There is a development,

[1:22:14] I'm sorry, a data filter tool bar at the bottom there. This tool allows the user to filter the data

[1:22:21] to only view developments of a certain category

[1:22:24] or of a certain status.

[1:22:27] So in an example here at the next slide,

[1:22:29] you can see the user has select,

[1:22:32] use the tool to view only retail sales and service,

[1:22:36] developments and restaurants.

[1:22:38] And we have marked it just showing ones that are complete.

[1:22:41] So as you can see, the map has been filtered pretty greatly

[1:22:45] and it's now just narrowed down to those developments

[1:22:47] based on that filter, the user itself.

[1:22:54] When you zoom into a development, you can click on it.

[1:22:58] And when you click on it, there's going to be a pop-up

[1:23:02] informational pop-up that'll appear.

[1:23:04] This will include the development name, category-use description,

[1:23:08] status, and if completed a completion date.

[1:23:11] Also, not viewable on the screen there, but when you scroll down,

[1:23:14] there is also an attached site plan of the development.

[1:23:21] A couple other tools here aside from the data filter, they're located down there, highlighted

[1:23:27] in the yellow.

[1:23:29] These are other tools that allow you to use it to view and analyze the data in various

[1:23:34] ways.

[1:23:35] I'll briefly speak on those real quick here.

[1:23:39] These are also the same tools are available on the residential dashboard as well.

[1:23:45] See, if you've used that, you might already be familiar with a couple of these.

[1:23:48] But firstly, the data table tool that allows you to view the data and just a central

[1:23:54] list, kind of like an Excel sheet, speaking of Excel, this tool also allows you to export

[1:24:01] that data to things like Excel or that kind of thing for further analysis and just sharing

[1:24:06] it, that kind of thing.

[1:24:09] This search tool that allows the user to search the map for an address, a parcel number,

[1:24:14] Or development name. So for example one way this could be used is if you just wanted to see all the dollar generals on this development dashboard

[1:24:22] You can simply click the search put in dollar general and it'll pull up all of those on the mail

[1:24:28] The near me tool that allows the user to find developments within a defined distance from a selected point on the map

[1:24:35] So this could be you just select the your home on the map and just want to know what

[1:24:40] developments are within, like I say, a five-mile radius around your home, that allows you

[1:24:45] to do that in a pretty easy and intuitive way.

[1:24:48] And then finally, there's a select tool.

[1:24:50] This is just to create custom selections of various developments, maybe not in a contiguous

[1:24:56] geographic area, but just based on your own parameters to allow you to do custom analysis

[1:25:02] of developments of your choice.

[1:25:07] So a bit about the data, as I already mentioned, this data is compiled from the planning

[1:25:12] departments, commercial review files, and county permitting records.

[1:25:17] This dashboard will be updated at least monthly if not more frequently as time allows.

[1:25:22] Typically for both the commercial and the residential dashboard, I'm updating these following

[1:25:29] the planning board meeting the second Monday of every month.

[1:25:32] So usually during that week, we're updating both the residential and commercial dashboards.

[1:25:37] We'll also, I didn't mention this, but at the very top of the dashboard,

[1:25:41] like the residential one, we will place the last data was updated,

[1:25:45] so you can know if it's been updated since last you viewed it.

[1:25:51] A couple of points here, I do want to stress first,

[1:25:54] like the residential dashboard, this data only encompasses development

[1:25:59] and runs with county jurisdiction, this does not show development, data for municipalities

[1:26:04] in the county with the exception of the city of Northwest, they do contract with the county

[1:26:09] for planning and zoning services.

[1:26:11] Another point I really want to stress here is this application like the residential one is

[1:26:17] not currently formatted for mobile devices.

[1:26:20] So good luck trying to view this or access this on an iPhone.

[1:26:24] I'll tell you, I've tried it on my phone, it's rough.

[1:26:28] We, I'll get to it in a sec, we are planning though on releasing mobile versions of these apps,

[1:26:33] but currently desktop or laptops definitely the best way to go when viewing these dashboards.

[1:26:40] Also, one little side note, if you are using an laptop or desktop, if your zoom settings on your browser

[1:26:46] have been adjusted, you might need to readjust those if you've zoomed in or zoomed out if that makes sense.

[1:26:51] What about app ads?

[1:26:53] For iPads, it'll be okay on an iPad because you got a larger screen, especially if you've

[1:27:00] got like a 10-inch plus type 1, I will say though, it's still not perfect.

[1:27:06] It's not going to be the same as on the desktop or laptop.

[1:27:10] But we are going to be releasing mobile versions, though, for tablets and for phones as

[1:27:15] well.

[1:27:15] Those will be a lot more formatted for those.

[1:27:20] Accessing the dashboard where you can find it, this is going to be at the same place the residential dashboard is.

[1:27:26] So if you go to the county's website, go to the planning department page, it will be a section in there called development dashboards and maps.

[1:27:33] You click that section and again it will be located right under the residential development dashboard.

[1:27:41] Upcoming initiatives, we are looking to make another dashboard, a new one, this will contain

[1:27:48] data for rezoning variants and special use cases.

[1:27:54] Like I had said, we are looking to, this is high on our priority here, developing and releasing

[1:27:58] mobile versions of both the residential and commercial dashboard, and then also expanding

[1:28:03] the data sets, especially for the residential one, I think there could be a lot of benefit

[1:28:08] to including some older developments that are still currently under construction that pre-

[1:28:14] their approval though, pre-dates 2015. So we'll be working to get some of those older developments

[1:28:19] on there.

[1:28:22] And that's all I got for you guys. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to me.

[1:28:27] Do you guys have any questions? Any questions? No, I look forward to using it. All right. Yeah.

[1:28:34] And definitely, if you guys do have any questions while you're using it, feel free to reach out to me.

[1:28:38] that we have one happy to have.

[1:28:40] Yeah, I've got a couple of questions.

[1:28:42] You know, I can use my Google Maps,

[1:28:45] and it can feel me how many dollar generous there are in the area.

[1:28:50] What's the benefit that I'm going to get out of this?

[1:28:53] Well, one of the benefits is you're going to be seeing things

[1:28:56] that are not currently constructed.

[1:28:58] So Google Maps is going to show you things that are currently in business.

[1:29:01] But if you're looking at a piece of land that's being developed and want to know what's going

[1:29:06] on there, Google Maps might not be showing a, say, dollar general that's going to be coming

[1:29:11] one that only exists here.

[1:29:13] Will it show me the progress that they're having in the system?

[1:29:18] Correct.

[1:29:19] Yeah, the status is step one through five.

[1:29:21] That's basically a general view of that.

[1:29:25] So it'll give you steps for when it's first coming in to review to the planning department

[1:29:31] when it's, you know, being permitted when it's under construction and when it's complete.

[1:29:34] You know, whenever you came through and showed us the residential, we had some concerns

[1:29:41] because the planning department is not the only department that contracts with municipalities.

[1:29:48] We've got code enforcement that's out there and if they can't look at this information

[1:29:54] or have the benefit of looking at this information, because you choose not to show the

[1:30:00] Information for the municipalities, then again, it's a tool that our own employees can't benefit from, like the residential.

[1:30:13] That is for it, it's only for planning services that we offer. But I don't, we don't have access to those databases that shallot, for example, does their planning services.

[1:30:24] And that would take a lot of intensive time and I'm really not sure that we have the staff resources to include

[1:30:30] 19 towns in our processes and nor but they might not want to participate. Leeland already has our own database and and so you know, that's kind of where we're.

[1:30:41] Okay, all right.

[1:30:44] While we're on this particular topic and trying to

[1:30:47] look at the progress of different construction activities, how far behind are we in plan

[1:30:57] review

[1:31:00] for commercial for plan review for commercial structure for engineering is about

[1:31:09] four to six weeks. Okay, that we're behind, that's right. Okay, how far behind are we on

[1:31:16] the inspections of those commercial facilities.

[1:31:21] Well, we're seven days on any kind of building inspections right now.

[1:31:24] Okay.

[1:31:25] We're seven days.

[1:31:26] We're seven days.

[1:31:27] Yeah.

[1:31:28] And if I'm not mistaken, we have hired a lot of extra staff to address, I mean, after so long

[1:31:38] and being behind so much, we're going to get a call or letter from the state, saying,

[1:31:44] we're going to come to this for you. I mean, we're not near that, are we?

[1:31:52] We're actually past that, but that really doesn't exist. What the state does is, in theory,

[1:32:01] makes some inspectors available to you if you're behind there.

[1:32:07] Expect to turn around time and they don't have them available either.

[1:32:11] but I'll give you a sneak peek at your next agenda, you're going to have an agenda item asking for more building inspector positions to be funded.

[1:32:23] No, no.

[1:32:25] Hold on to that one.

[1:32:27] I mean, it's, I mean, we, I don't know.

[1:32:33] We can talk about it.

[1:32:35] That's all I got.

[1:32:38] Thank you.

[1:32:38] Any other questions?

[1:32:39] This two quick comments one to follow up on Commissioner Thompson's comment about the municipalities

[1:32:45] I don't know how many of them have this like I know you said Leeland does I would recommend and you're probably already doing this

[1:32:51] But on hours have a link out to the ones that we know do and if they don't maybe

[1:32:55] Give them a price to opt-in to ours if they're willing to do it, but don't mean obviously

[1:32:59] We couldn't do it at our expense, but if they wanted to opt-in and give us that data find out what the calls for me

[1:33:05] Absolutely and you're not the first one to mention the links and that is something I'm wanting to do to place links for similar resources around the area on the dashboard

[1:33:14] I think it would be a great benefit

[1:33:17] Anything else down there, sir?

[1:33:20] Thank you.

[1:33:20] Thank you so much.

[1:33:21] Appreciate it.

[1:33:26] Okay.

[1:33:27] Moving on.

[1:33:29] We're into the public hearing part.

[1:33:32] Engineering.

[1:33:33] Bridget Florech.

[1:33:34] I'm on.

[1:33:39] I just have one slide to kind of get things started to do so.

[1:33:42] Thank you.

[1:33:43] See, where we are.

[1:33:46] You like the one slide, the presentation.

[1:33:47] Okay, good.

[1:33:49] So, at the last commissioner's meeting or maybe a couple of commissioners meetings go, we were

[1:33:54] brought, told to bring this back for public hearing.

[1:33:57] And we originally had the preverses post or water control requirements and some buffer requirements.

[1:34:03] Well, we've had to remove the buffer requirements due to some legal issues that we're working through.

[1:34:09] So the only thing on there for today for the public hearing is the adding of the 100 year,

[1:34:17] 24 hours storm is a requirement that rather than a recommendation, with an exemption for smaller sites.

[1:34:23] If they cannot meet, they have to provide us design and documentation that they cannot meet the 100 year.

[1:34:30] And even then we may still ask them to meet the 50 year with the 25 year being the lowest we would allow.

[1:34:38] That's basically all we have for the public hearing today.

[1:34:45] And that's the hundred year for the storage but not for conveyance, is that correct?

[1:34:53] Correct.

[1:34:53] I have a question.

[1:34:56] Okay, let's go back to what we took out.

[1:35:02] And what we could not address, and I guess my question is to legal, is this a state issue?

[1:35:09] Yes, sir.

[1:35:10] Okay.

[1:35:11] And so, how do we go about changing that?

[1:35:15] We need to do some more research, and then probably ask for state legislation.

[1:35:21] We believe 2015, 2017, time period, a statute was passed saying that we could risk.

[1:35:31] We couldn't be any more restrictive on buffers than the state or the federal government.

[1:35:41] And we were going to apply our buffer to more slightly more areas.

[1:35:49] Okay, so you're going to be coming back to us.

[1:35:52] Yes, sir.

[1:35:52] With the, okay.

[1:35:54] And then my other question is if we adopt the hundred year,

[1:36:00] Why would we even consider anything below 100 years?

[1:36:05] Well, the way, okay.

[1:36:07] Well, yeah.

[1:36:07] I mean, it's just normal procedure.

[1:36:09] I mean, the most government entities.

[1:36:12] I mean, if you look at Leeland or New Handover County,

[1:36:16] they can, you know, we control the, they have to provide a documentation

[1:36:19] that they're controlling the one year, 10 year, 25,

[1:36:21] or have whatever years they do.

[1:36:23] It's just the standard practice.

[1:36:24] So if we adopt and we say that we need to see it a hundred years in theory it theory if you meet the hundred year

[1:36:34] You should meet the other ones, but that's not always the case. I mean, because the way the design of the storm water ponds and the outlet structures

[1:36:42] You know, it's every once in a while. That's not the case

[1:36:46] And the exemption for the smaller sites that would be like if somebody's developed and

[1:36:51] I have acres or something and even smaller than that.

[1:36:54] I feel like it would be these very small, small sort of small business types, one to two acres side.

[1:37:01] One or two acres side and they're trying to put a store front and nothing else.

[1:37:05] If you build a hundred years pond, all you have is a hundred year pond and no store front.

[1:37:08] All right.

[1:37:10] Okay.

[1:37:10] Makes sense.

[1:37:13] I'm good.

[1:37:14] Why do you have any questions?

[1:37:17] Okay.

[1:37:18] I need a motion to go into public hearing.

[1:37:19] open cover here. Second. I've got Thompson Williams and Andy was a little bit

[1:37:25] quick at him. That's fine.

[1:37:30] Oh no, I'm writing this down. Okay, so the public

[1:37:34] hearing is open. I have two names on my list. Oh that's what I could see.

[1:37:41] Josh Kirby.

[1:37:45] Again, when you come up, please state your name and address for the

[1:37:48] records

[1:38:02] is Josh Kirby, 26, 90 Stone Team, the road in supply,

[1:38:11] it shows that the actual

[1:38:14] ordinance of policies that's own rule with three exemptions. If run off increases by 5%

[1:38:21] then they still get an exemption. It said no net increase becomes plus 5% allow. If impervious

[1:38:29] area is under 15 percent. They get an exemption. It says they'll just cost their homes together

[1:38:36] and design around it. And if it cannot meet the 100 year requirement, they let them design

[1:38:45] at a 25 year in the stand.

[1:38:51] And that y'all had removed the one cause that demanded the 100 year

[1:38:56] analysis.

[1:39:02] It was only on the agenda on the website.

[1:39:08] So I just wanted to comment. Now I think

[1:39:10] we should have a little bit better than a hundred year. If that's what the state requires,

[1:39:20] thank you.

[1:39:31] Okay. Next on my list, Jared Patterson,

[1:39:41] Good evening, Mr. Chairman and Commission members.

[1:39:46] Just a few comments here for you.

[1:39:49] Jared Patterson, I'm CEO of the Business Alliance for a Sound Economy.

[1:39:53] Reversing 69 area employers in 9400 collective association members.

[1:39:59] Our mission is to provide policy and advocacy partnerships and collaboration

[1:40:03] to help our region grow in a smart and sustainable way that protects our quality of life.

[1:40:09] while also welcoming capital investment in economic growth.

[1:40:13] I first want to applaud the Board of Commissioners and the county staff for the foresight

[1:40:18] of exploring the feasibility of a stormwater utility to improve conditions and persistent

[1:40:22] problem areas. While recent development and runs with county meets and in many cases exceeds

[1:40:28] current design standards, the more notable stormwater deficiencies across the county exist

[1:40:34] in long established development some of which predates stormwater engineering and also in public

[1:40:40] infrastructure.

[1:40:41] A stormwater utility can provide a real solution for these existing problem areas where

[1:40:47] ordinances have no practical effect.

[1:40:50] As to the ordinance before you, I wish to share just a few points of constructive feedback.

[1:40:57] First, I appreciate the recognition that it is unreasonable and necessary in some cases,

[1:41:03] not even practical for some sites to accommodate design criteria for 100-year event, namely with

[1:41:11] that provision for staff being able to grant those exemptions.

[1:41:16] I'm concerned, however, about the level of subjectivity and discretion that that does involve,

[1:41:21] and that it lacks a sufficient degree of predictability.

[1:41:25] Perhaps alternative approaches, or a new-maraded criteria could bring greater predictability,

[1:41:31] or objectivity to the ordinance language.

[1:41:34] For example, data mapping that trigger heightened design criteria rather than blanket application

[1:41:40] of heightened design criteria from which certain sites are then exempted just as an example.

[1:41:47] And then secondly, many engineers and developers with whom I've spoken express to me

[1:41:54] that they do utilize the 100-year event in their stormwater analysis to ensure that infrastructure

[1:42:00] are can safely manage such an event, however, safely managing the 100-year event is not

[1:42:06] necessitate always detaining the 100-year event to the pre-development flow rates.

[1:42:13] That can result in over-designed systems which bring unintended consequences like significant

[1:42:19] cost increases, which directly lead to higher costs for home buyers and for local businesses,

[1:42:25] and can further compound affordability and workforce challenges.

[1:42:30] Over-designing stormwater systems,

[1:42:32] also requires greater surface area,

[1:42:35] which negatively impacts tree preservation

[1:42:37] and tree planning opportunities,

[1:42:40] as well as useful open space for residents,

[1:42:43] without necessarily providing additional flood mitigation value.

[1:42:47] That's why it's so important for stormwater ordinances

[1:42:50] to use the right standard and level of precision.

[1:42:52] And in order to effectively manage risk while also achieving the right balance for communities

[1:42:58] different priorities.

[1:43:01] So on behalf of base, I would like to welcome the opportunity to provide further insight

[1:43:07] from our members, which do include stormwater engineering experts and specialists.

[1:43:12] And I want to thank you for your time and for your service.

[1:43:19] Did anybody else want to speak on this topic?

[1:43:22] I was in the only two names I had down.

[1:43:25] Okay.

[1:43:28] Before we close this public hearing,

[1:43:33] I would be in favor of bringing this back on

[1:43:37] our January 20th meeting based on a couple of things I learned today and just listening

[1:43:45] to Mr. Patterson. I don't think it's just cutting dry as we might think. I'd like to do

[1:43:56] only have one brief meeting in December and only the one in January. I would like to

[1:44:02] leave the public hearing open so that people can come on January 20th and bring up any

[1:44:09] concerns that they might have, not just close it out. So I'm going to make a motion that we

[1:44:17] bring this back. Leave the public hearing open and we bring this back on January 20th for

[1:44:22] vote. Second? Well, I disagree with that because I think we need to go ahead and move forward.

[1:44:34] But I'm sure when we take a vote, well, won't I?

[1:44:38] Yeah, and I too, I disagree with that. I think it needs to come to a vote this evening,

[1:44:45] and at least move forward on this, I have any, I'm trying to get some regulations and

[1:44:51] It is, and I too, just like everybody else, I received all the emails from all the development companies.

[1:45:00] Community in regards to this. You know, I can't help that out of town, developers are having issues with the things that are going on in

[1:45:13] Brunswick County.

[1:45:16] I would encourage this board to go ahead and address this issue and move forward with this evening. At least this, and then look at the January meeting, look for the county attorney to

[1:45:29] come back to us with an avenue that we can pursue some of these other requirements necessary

[1:45:35] to protect the homeowners and the citizens of Brunswick County better from some of the

[1:45:43] issues that we're running into with stormwater and flooding.

[1:45:49] Yeah, I have a couple more.

[1:45:52] It's important to me that we move forward because we keep moving backwards and we keep

[1:45:58] procrastinating.

[1:46:00] We cannot protect our citizens if we don't move forward, even though it might be a small

[1:46:05] thing tonight, we still need to move forward.

[1:46:10] And if we don't, then that's what happens.

[1:46:13] We'll just deal with it, but the best we can.

[1:46:17] Any other discussion?

[1:46:19] Just a question.

[1:46:19] The motion is to table it not indefinitely, but to a specific date of January 20.

[1:46:25] I've got mixed emotions, because I am in principle supportive of this, but if there

[1:46:28] details that need to be worked out, I would say, if we postpone it to January 20,

[1:46:34] if my comment would be, if you're one of those people who has concerns with the details,

[1:46:39] don't think we're going to push it all past that, because I've heard from engineers who live in

[1:46:44] County that want to look at it, you know, people who live here work here and they work

[1:46:48] in this all, you know, they've on a daily basis. Certainly, I'm not an engineer. It's not

[1:46:53] my technical area of expertise and, you know, the devil is in the details on these and I want

[1:46:58] us to pass it, but I also don't want to have unintended consequences. So that's my thoughts

[1:47:02] exactly. But, you know, if you're, if you have concerns about it, get them to staff by

[1:47:09] of business tomorrow, if you can.

[1:47:11] Oh no, Mr. Attorney, you are.

[1:47:12] Yes, I just wanted to say in response to, I believe it was an issue with the discretion

[1:47:21] of the stormwater administrator in making some of these decisions.

[1:47:26] There is an appeals process for that that goes to the manager and to the Board of Commissioners.

[1:47:32] So I wanted to make sure the Board is aware of that when they considered the proposed issues.

[1:47:37] Okay.

[1:47:38] I don't get it.

[1:47:39] Any other discussion?

[1:47:40] Make some easier.

[1:47:43] Any other?

[1:47:44] Yeah, I was going to do it.

[1:47:46] Of course you're trying to figure out.

[1:47:48] Yeah, that took my follow-up.

[1:47:57] I know what it was.

[1:47:59] You know, you said something about the engineers would like to look at it and others.

[1:48:04] yet they've had time because this has been brought up over month to months I'm not sure

[1:48:12] when we started having this discussion and so there's been time for them to look

[1:48:19] at it so I don't know why we're waiting to January yeah that means it's about this is

[1:48:23] the at least third time we've brought it before it so I don't I don't say a point

[1:48:29] if we've already presented it three times?

[1:48:34] And I'll just add, we end up having stormwater issues every time that we get a substantial rainfall

[1:48:43] or storm, we can go back and look at the historical data on how many homes are impacted

[1:48:49] and communities are impacted by those issues.

[1:48:54] So I think we've got well enough information to move forward this evening.

[1:48:59] any other discussion. If not, we have a motion and a second. All those of

[1:49:06] favour please say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed. No. Darrell and passes three

[1:49:12] to

[1:49:17] moving on. Thank you.

[1:49:20] Brigitte, are you worried? Brigitte, we appreciate it.

[1:49:25] Aye. Next stop. Cheryl Soffer, so Elizabeth, come on up.

[1:49:37] Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Board.

[1:49:41] Tonight's action request is for the Board of

[1:49:43] missioners to approve an agreement with Myers and Chapman Incorporated for the phase 1

[1:49:49] services of a design-built project of a new animal services facility. The value of this

[1:49:55] contract is $639,000, $644 and these funds are part of an existing county capital reserve

[1:50:05] un-designated fund. If you have any questions about the existing operations for the animal shelter,

[1:50:11] I have Sergeant Belinda Musgrove here who can help you answer any of those questions.

[1:50:15] If you have any questions about this contract or the associate RFQ, I'm happy to answer

[1:50:19] what I can.

[1:50:20] I also have members of Myers and Chapman here tonight.

[1:50:23] If you have any questions for them and hopefully answer any questions, do you have?

[1:50:30] All right.

[1:50:31] Let's go to anybody.

[1:50:31] Have any questions for Elizabeth?

[1:50:34] Can you elaborate a little bit on the six arms that submitted proposals why you chose

[1:50:42] this one. Yes, sir. Um, of our six firms, we were able to

[1:50:47] do a little down to a top three and those top three firms were

[1:50:51] firms that had the types of experience, types of facilities that we're

[1:50:54] looking to do here in Brunswick County. Um, from those three, we had all three

[1:50:59] firms come in here to the county to do an interview board on which included

[1:51:04] members of the sheriff's office, county engineering, county administration. And from

[1:51:09] there, we all rated and graded each of those top three firms and we're unanimous in our

[1:51:14] decision with Myers and Chapman Incorporated.

[1:51:17] Thank you.

[1:51:18] Yes, sir.

[1:51:20] First of all, thank you for being here and just a few questions, you know, we had a few

[1:51:24] people email us and say that they don't think the county should get into the animal adoption

[1:51:28] business.

[1:51:29] Can you tell us what the county currently does in that arena, how long has been doing it and

[1:51:33] how many animals we've adopted in the past couple of years?

[1:51:36] Yes, they're all deferred to.

[1:51:37] Sergeant Musgrave, come on up here, Berlin.

[1:51:38] I'm

[1:51:43] always walking into the hot seats, but thanks for allowing me to speak on this matter.

[1:51:53] So currently we function as not only animal protective services providing animal control for the community,

[1:51:59] but also processing and taking and making animals available for adoption, as well as making difficult decisions for you.

[1:52:05] So on average we're taking over for the last few years, 4,000 animals a year.

[1:52:11] We are doing adoptions in 2024, we did 1,689 adoptions with 1,400 and 5 animals going out through other resources.

[1:52:23] And so that brings me to a point as well as to thank the folks who showed up for us today.

[1:52:28] So today you heard from adoption groups, you heard from fundraising groups.

[1:52:34] And it's just another way to express that we have tapped into all of our resources.

[1:52:38] We've created foster systems outside of the shelter itself.

[1:52:42] We've relied heavily on adoption groups as well as fundraising groups to help those animals that are medically in need.

[1:52:51] In 2025, while we still got a few weeks left to go, we're at 4,115 animals so far.

[1:52:58] I can recall just from October, we can October to a month in November where we took in 476 animals.

[1:53:09] 50% of those animals were under surrenders.

[1:53:13] There's a need for our community for animals outside of just posting fluffy pictures.

[1:53:21] And put in Bandanas on them and show them a big scene.

[1:53:24] There are people in our community who are relying on us to take care of these animals, and the need,

[1:53:30] while we understand as a big ask, and it has certainly been a topic of discussion from one

[1:53:36] into the spectrum to the other, as well as you guys know, the need is there. The building is at

[1:53:42] its capacity. It is being used in resourceful ways. We initially were set up to use two rooms for

[1:53:50] at adoption and for cat holding, we're using two storage

[1:53:54] closets, two rooms, and a hallway.

[1:53:57] We were set up to hold 60 to 65 animals so we could

[1:54:01] shift them around for cleaning and quarantine and other purposes.

[1:54:04] We are consuming all of that kind of space.

[1:54:07] So we understand the ask and we understand that there

[1:54:10] is also in need.

[1:54:12] And this goes back far beyond just this year.

[1:54:15] This dates back to early dates of 2018, 2019.

[1:54:19] And we are continuously doing our very best to be resourceful, but at some point we have to be proactive.

[1:54:29] So how much are we following the county regulation and the state regulation on keeping animals?

[1:54:35] How much are we following them?

[1:54:37] Yeah.

[1:54:38] And I said you received 4,000 animals in a year.

[1:54:44] So are we following the policy that the county has in regards to,

[1:54:49] to how long you keep the animals and all that stuff.

[1:54:53] So there are minimal requirements, not maximal requirements.

[1:54:56] So 72 hours is mandated by the state.

[1:54:59] County ordinance would tell us that we need to hold an animal

[1:55:03] for four business days at their own.

[1:55:05] No business days if they are owned with proof

[1:55:07] and six business days if they are straight

[1:55:10] before we make them available for adoption

[1:55:11] or even ask them.

[1:55:12] So how many days are you holding them?

[1:55:14] Our average length of stay right now is about 12 days.

[1:55:19] That's hard to believe with this many animals you have.

[1:55:23] Also, too, what is the status for the rabies shots?

[1:55:28] How many rabies shots were given during the year?

[1:55:32] So every animal that stays over 10 days in our cares required to have a rabies vaccination,

[1:55:37] but we also provide them to the public as well.

[1:55:39] And if you'll forgive me, I don't have that exact number.

[1:55:46] The other thing is there was a comment made that it was not going to be over $5 million.

[1:55:53] And we know that that's not true according to the presentation that you made in 23.

[1:56:02] In 23 it was over 6 million.

[1:56:04] The presentation in 23 was from a needs assessment, which was looking at the entire accounting

[1:56:10] population growth over the next 30 years and saying, Hey, if you want to be good to go for 30, 30

[1:56:16] plus years, your facility is going to be X number of dollars. That again was just an estimate for

[1:56:21] someone who was in the field, not an exact bid for a building job. So, so, but I would say with the

[1:56:29] cost of building today and if you go to 10,000 square feet, it will be 10 million. It's not more.

[1:56:36] That doesn't count the other stuff that we'll have to be added and are y'all planning on hiring a veterinarian

[1:56:45] We we do not have plans as a bright now to hire a veterinarian because that's not cost you have a 250 or more a year because the doctor's not going to come in there and do it for free

[1:56:55] So we've developed a very good relationship with our local spade new to clinic

[1:56:59] We transport to them four days a week Monday through Thursday

[1:57:01] So they can spade new to the animals that we make available for adoption

[1:57:05] Yeah, but this is going to stay up a way above what a government entity is required to do.

[1:57:12] And our job here is to protect the, it's a temporary home.

[1:57:18] It's not supposed to be something that's permanent.

[1:57:22] And y'all trying to make it something that's permanent.

[1:57:26] And we don't need, yes, you are, if you're getting a new building,

[1:57:30] And we got other areas that are so important in this county.

[1:57:35] We've got classrooms.

[1:57:37] We just approved four more modules for the schools, where we don't have schools for our children.

[1:57:45] We got children that are homeless.

[1:57:47] There was a preacher this week that announced it in his pulpit about 400 children homeless.

[1:57:54] Now, do you understand homeless?

[1:57:58] If I've been homeless, my daddy was an alcoholic.

[1:58:03] So when we had to move, we went and found somewhere to live.

[1:58:10] We didn't, we didn't study at home because we had to get out.

[1:58:13] So when you get out according to DSS, your homeless, if you don't have a permanent place

[1:58:20] to lay your head.

[1:58:21] Now, there's a lot of key is in this county that are homeless, and here we are aware

[1:58:27] about animals more so than we are people, and I just have a problem with that.

[1:58:33] Just to clarify tonight's action item is $639,644 of existing capital reserve funds, so it

[1:58:42] is existing funds that has been allocated to capital projects like this one is the board

[1:58:48] chooses to move forward with that?

[1:58:51] And I just think it's overspandoned, but that's, you know,

[1:58:54] is the board's decision.

[1:58:58] And I think we got off on a wrong foot thinking

[1:59:01] that we were going to build a lavish building

[1:59:03] with golden bullets and couches and all of the extravagant things.

[1:59:09] We understand that there needs in our community.

[1:59:12] We are families, they're in our community,

[1:59:14] our children, or in these communities.

[1:59:15] We are in these communities all day, every day, as a part of the Sheriff's Office, but all as our own personal initiative that we're not trying to build anything lavish.

[1:59:26] We're trying to add space so that animals can be available for adoption, a care center, if you will.

[1:59:32] So that they have so that we can take the space that we have existing and open up so that we can claim appropriately so that we can use the building for the function that it was originally a design for.

[1:59:45] How much does these are the last building design, how much did it cost for the design?

[1:59:52] Do we have a price?

[1:59:55] How much does the health building cost?

[2:00:00] Building some round for Mayan. I'm talking about for the design. Yes, ma'am. Okay.

[2:00:08] And if you have any questions about the firm, again, we have representatives here who are happy to speak on that. And they cost a construction, things about the court.

[2:00:16] Oh, there's a bit. I'm a one happy birthday. Thank you, sir.

[2:00:20] Nice to be here. I'm happy to be here. It's a great cause. It's a great project.

[2:00:26] I didn't want to forget to say that. Thank you, sir.

[2:00:28] He caught me at a very vulnerable time.

[2:00:33] June of 2011, I went to the Sheriff's Animal Protective Services and we rescued the coolest

[2:00:42] little dog ever.

[2:00:44] And Sunny was not just our family pet, he was my companion and he was my wife's shadow.

[2:00:53] Well, just the other day we had to put sunny down because he had long cancer.

[2:00:58] So, you got me at a very vulnerable time.

[2:01:03] I haven't even picked up his cremange yet, he was just put down.

[2:01:11] I am in favor of this.

[2:01:15] I know, and I know that shortly, I don't know how long I'm going to be able to put my

[2:01:20] wife will run it out and go in adopting another dog and rescue another one.

[2:01:26] I would like to wait at least until after the holidays because she's still crying every

[2:01:34] minute every day and she's never going to find another sonny and I can't get that to go in.

[2:01:41] But we will be rescuing another, I can promise you that and I think of my wife as a way

[2:01:47] be chill. Is there any other discussion? One more question. You know there's a whole lot

[2:01:56] of talk about public, private, investments. She with me how you afford to feed your animals

[2:02:04] in this shelter. Is that something that the county pays for? It is a, we have been very blessed

[2:02:12] over the past several years, at least in my role as Comptroller, where our food budget is very

[2:02:16] low because of so many donations that we get for food.

[2:02:20] When we've had to utilize our food, budget has been for, kind of, lack of a better word

[2:02:25] surprises.

[2:02:26] We've had taken a bunch of donkeys for a long time or horses, we've had to kind of find some

[2:02:31] extra types of food resources, but we have incredible, incredible donations that we get

[2:02:36] from the public, whereas some years we don't have to use that line and we can say that

[2:02:41] or transfer that to a medical line or things like that to cover some of our other operational

[2:02:45] costs, but you can expand on that because I know. I mean, I think that's perfectly said.

[2:02:49] I think that in addition to that, we have to give out shout out to our volunteers as well.

[2:02:54] We were not only selfishly given their time, but they're seeing where things could be short

[2:02:58] or where they could be our offer in advantage for an animal and they purchase it and help us as well.

[2:03:05] Thank you. Yes, sir? Yes. One question. You mentioned volunteers,

[2:03:09] which was actually something I was going to ask about. That's something I don't know that

[2:03:13] And let somebody's involved in that program, they understand how many volunteers you have.

[2:03:17] How many volunteers do you guys have engaged in this and I know you, I think you've tracked

[2:03:20] the dollar figure of what that would cost for paying those people.

[2:03:24] Just for the animal protective services volunteers, do you know what that was for the past

[2:03:27] year?

[2:03:28] It's over 100, isn't it?

[2:03:29] That we have.

[2:03:30] An animal services alone?

[2:03:32] Yeah, so we have 99 who are regularly on rotation and we have 200 plus better signed up.

[2:03:41] And as long as they come every six months and complete a shift and they say within the system,

[2:03:47] but that 99 is acted, meaning that they are coming on a regular basis.

[2:03:51] I guess I have one more question.

[2:03:53] I had a couple of comments.

[2:03:54] Yeah, go ahead.

[2:03:56] I've received opinions on both sides of this issue.

[2:03:59] Very strongly held opinions on polar opposite ends of it.

[2:04:04] And my position's probably somewhere in the middle.

[2:04:06] I see that there is obviously a need we have to meet.

[2:04:09] You know, it's not creating a new government function as Commissioner Fortage has said he adopted a dog from your organization in 2011, so that's, at least, at 2011.

[2:04:20] And to me, it's about expanding our capacity to do something we're already doing, but do it better and meet a need.

[2:04:26] So that's why I will follow and support of this, but also, you know, and we've, Elizabeth, you and I had this conversation, you know, we want it functional, but, you know, we want it cost effective in, you know, not a puppy palace so to speak.

[2:04:38] You don't want to charge them at all. We want something, this functional and effective,

[2:04:41] but we also have to keep the cost down. So that's my position as I support the motion

[2:04:46] tonight, but also with the comment that we do need to make sure we don't let this get out

[2:04:51] of hand price. Yes, sir. And that's why we have Martin Chapman here tonight to be able to hear

[2:04:55] what our board has to say, hear what our citizens have to say, and make sure that they can tailor

[2:05:00] this project to our needs and the county's needs. And they're very dedicated to that project.

[2:05:06] The next question, I know you're closed on the weekends, right?

[2:05:11] Okay, what

[2:05:14] did they say?

[2:05:16] So we are open until 2 p.m. on Saturday and then we are closed on Sunday.

[2:05:22] Okay, thank you.

[2:05:25] Marty?

[2:05:25] Well, the way this thing started, Charlie Miller called me at home and said to me,

[2:05:32] What if we took the animal control facility because as we know it was in the health department previously and I said to him

[2:05:40] We'll Charlie you can have it, but if if you want it

[2:05:43] We're gonna give you a 30 day money back here and see

[2:05:46] Because if more you can handle will we'll take it back and I have to tell you it's just been amazing to watch

[2:05:52] Which you guys have done over the years and you've done a lot with whatever you could to make it work

[2:05:57] I remember the floor was one of the first things that had to be worked on and a lot of different components

[2:06:02] We, my family adopted two dogs, either one of them or with us now, but we have a lab that's

[2:06:09] named Kevin and I swear he's got to be a four-year-old in a dog seat, because he knows everything

[2:06:13] I'm saying. But we have looked at figures and, you know, contrary to popular belief, it's not

[2:06:20] a $10 million acquisition. This is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of five. And we do this

[2:06:25] generally with a lot of buildings in the county. Complex, people may not be aware of that. If we have

[2:06:30] a certain building that hasn't has to be replaced or the roots got to be replaced or

[2:06:33] air conditioning or whatever like that we do that.

[2:06:35] Your building is old and the thing is it needs to be upgraded because the truth is when

[2:06:40] it was put together it was probably about 35,000 people here and now we've got about 180,000.

[2:06:45] So that's the dynamics.

[2:06:46] The other thing is you're right.

[2:06:47] I have gone through other services and it's expensive, it's also somewhat challenging to

[2:06:53] get with some.

[2:06:54] It's not even wrong with it, it's just that we ended up going with y'all for the dogs that

[2:06:58] got initially. So, you know, in saying that, and I've been all over the figures with the county

[2:07:03] manager today as well as with others. And, you know, that being said, I think it's a worthy

[2:07:08] improvement. I think it's something we need to support. I think we need to get behind plus

[2:07:12] none of that. We budgeted it for it. So, the thing is, I'm very much in favour of it. Thank you.

[2:07:22] Okay, now I know, in honor of my faithful companion that just left my family, I will make a motion to

[2:07:30] approve. Second. I have a forte cook. Any other discussion?

[2:07:39] All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed? Aye.

[2:07:45] Four to one, Madam Clerk. Okay. Thank you so much.

[2:07:56] I lose a bit. I lose a bit. I lose a bit. Go try to enjoy the rest of your birthday.

[2:08:03] I'm

[2:08:10] a second to get here.

[2:08:11] Hold no one second. Let them.

[2:08:15] You don't have time to fill this up while they're doing that.

[2:08:29] Grant, we'll be with your mom and child.

[2:08:31] Let everybody get out.

[2:08:33] I'll buy you a break.

[2:08:35] Don't worry.

[2:08:58] God, she keeps working on it. She's working on it.

[2:09:02] She's working on it. She's working on it.

[2:09:05] She's working on it.

[2:09:06] She's working on it.

[2:09:07] You doing it?

[2:09:11] I'm texting her back and forth.

[2:09:13] I was freezing early.

[2:09:15] I thought we were always getting hotter and hotter.

[2:09:18] People fan in themselves in the back.

[2:09:20] My face is red.

[2:09:22] One, two.

[2:09:24] All right.

[2:09:26] Let's pick this back up again.

[2:09:29] My favorite department.

[2:09:30] Come on, help me tell us what to eat.

[2:09:34] Mr. Commissioner.

[2:09:35] Commissioner, thank you.

[2:09:38] So I'm here today to request the Board of Commissioners

[2:09:40] to authorize the chairperson and clerk of the board

[2:09:43] to approve contract amendment number seven with CDM Smith and the Associated Budget Amendment

[2:09:50] in the amount of $1,336,000 extending the contract completion date to September 30,

[2:09:58] 2026 for continued construction and administrative services associated with the North West Water

[2:10:05] Treatment Plant Expansion. As we all know, the original contractor was unable to finish the project

[2:10:13] on schedule. As a result of that, in July, the county issued a notice of termination and

[2:10:22] followed a complaint against the contractor and the surety. The result of that action was that

[2:10:31] the surety has now taken responsibility for completing the project. The surety has now provided

[2:10:39] schedule indicating that the project will be complete in late August of 2026. Therefore we need

[2:10:50] to request that we extend the contract with CDM Smith to allow them to continue their construction

[2:10:58] services.

[2:11:01] Well, let's get us across the finish line. It's just going to be the last one of these we

[2:11:04] have to have. The contractor has given us a schedule.

[2:11:10] Yes sir. So if they do what they

[2:11:12] said they will do, this will be the last one of these that we have to extend on this project.

[2:11:17] Not only. And I guess if we didn't do it, the work stops and the project doesn't get done.

[2:11:23] That is correct.

[2:11:28] Is CDM Smith willing to give us a not to exceed on that?

[2:11:37] is it not not to exceed the

[2:11:42] contract? Is it not to exceed?

[2:11:45] I mean, this is-

[2:11:48] I-

[2:11:49] I assume.

[2:11:51] What?

[2:11:52] What?

[2:11:52] You know what happened when you were soon?

[2:11:54] You know what, I'm not to exceed.

[2:11:56] I-

[2:11:57] Is good through the stated time period?

[2:12:02] Is-

[2:12:02] I'll say-

[2:12:03] Not an hourly number.

[2:12:04] This is-

[2:12:05] This is 1.336 million takes us to September 30.

[2:12:09] If this job goes to October 7, they're going to come here and ask us for another week's

[2:12:15] work.

[2:12:18] I have an opinion in my head that they call them, will not allow me to say what I will

[2:12:23] tell them.

[2:12:24] Should that happen?

[2:12:26] Well, my concern is that this is number 7,

[2:12:34] and they're a partner in this.

[2:12:38] I realize that, you know, they can't stick around and make money if things are not going the way they should.

[2:12:48] I do understand that, but at some point in time, they ought to be able to say we'll give you a not to exceed number.

[2:12:57] And this is all we're going to charge you to get.

[2:13:00] We'll say it. It doesn't say not to exceed.

[2:13:04] But that's not to exceed through that date.

[2:13:06] Right. I think what Commissioner Thompson is suggesting is not to exceed period. Yeah, right. And I concur. Well, and as I just heard, we've got to August 26 completion day.

[2:13:22] Final completion. Yes, sir. Okay. And this is September the 30. So we're giving them 30 days.

[2:13:30] So they have to do work after the completion of the contractor to do all the paperwork and get everything filed, yes sir.

[2:13:39] Okay.

[2:13:39] I will be grudgingly make a motion to approve it because I don't think there's any other legitimate option.

[2:13:46] And with the caveat that I think one day this will be saw in some project management textbooks somewhere.

[2:13:53] Yep, I'll be so.

[2:13:55] I may write that book.

[2:13:58] I have a motion.

[2:13:59] I have a second.

[2:14:04] Second.

[2:14:05] Okay.

[2:14:06] There we go.

[2:14:07] I said you had a second.

[2:14:08] No.

[2:14:09] I said I knew.

[2:14:10] William's cook.

[2:14:12] Any other.

[2:14:14] Excuse me.

[2:14:14] William's cook.

[2:14:15] Any other discussion.

[2:14:19] But commission.

[2:14:20] William said.

[2:14:22] I will be grudgingly.

[2:14:26] All those in favor.

[2:14:27] Please say aye.

[2:14:29] Any opposed.

[2:14:32] Aye.

[2:14:32] Thank you, Brent.

[2:14:33] Thank you, sir.

[2:14:35] Thank you.

[2:14:38] Mr. Manager.

[2:14:41] What's you got?

[2:14:42] Thank you, Mr. Chairman and commissioners.

[2:14:45] Here we have an item that we actually have placed on the agenda at Commissioner Thompson's request

[2:14:52] on a couple of items.

[2:14:54] One to go over the statutory requirements for construction bill.

[2:15:12] And I'll make a couple of comments here and then let the county attorney explain this to the degree, the board wishes. But in general, I would say, if I could do the same thing and I could be doing the same things for the city council, I would say, if I could do the same thing, I would say.

[2:15:30] The burning room first for us to have ability to regulate open burning of vegetative debris

[2:15:40] other than the specific areas that we are allowed to have temporary burn bands.

[2:15:48] We would either have to have specific authorization, special legislation from the General Assembly

[2:15:55] Or we would have to prove to the state that we had unique pollution conditions here that

[2:16:04] mayerated, runs with Kelly, having its own air quality regulation and monitoring

[2:16:13] program, which would require that we have all sorts of scientific and engineering studies

[2:16:22] to prove that somehow this burning was a bigger impact here than in other parts of the

[2:16:29] state and would also require us if we did those studies to convince the environmental

[2:16:37] management commission that truly a local air pollution control program was needed here.

[2:16:44] We would have to have a professional staff of scientists and engineers to implement and

[2:16:50] receive such a program, and that would be a very high bar, and it would also be a very

[2:16:59] expensive program to implement. I'm not saying that it absolutely could not be done, but

[2:17:08] I suspect it would be an uphill battle to get EMC to approve a special program for Buzzwick

[2:17:16] And I know it would be a significant cost for the county to actually create and operates such a program.

[2:17:25] On the issue of a residential building moratorium, again the regulations spell out here in the item have a very, very high bar to be able to enact such a moratorium.

[2:17:40] And I know some of this room tonight and certainly other members of the public probably disagree with me, but things like we heard mentioned tonight about modular units at schools being evidence you could do it well.

[2:17:56] The truth is, in this specific case, we have both the funding available for modular units and the space for modular units.

[2:18:06] So you're really not going to be able to say, we don't have space for kids, and in fact, our state constitution pretty much says, we have to make space to educate the kids.

[2:18:19] So I don't really think you can use school over crowding roads and traffic concerns and accidents.

[2:18:30] While they are very legitimate concerns other than the roads and turn off to subdivisions and play in development.

[2:18:37] But we have no authority whatsoever, and I don't believe these regulations let us

[2:18:48] slow or stop development on the basis of things that happen in the state roadways.

[2:18:55] I'm not even saying that's what I wish it's here, but I think that is pretty much what

[2:19:01] say as public safety, there certainly are concerns about some elements of our fire service,

[2:19:10] yet as recently as last week I received another letter from the State Fire Marshal's

[2:19:16] office as I do several times a year saying that all the departments in the county meet the

[2:19:24] state's minimum standards. And again, it's, it is a really a matter of our staff agreeing

[2:19:33] or disagreeing with that. It's that the state's the body that makes that determination.

[2:19:40] So at this moment in time, I don't think we meet the thresholds. Something could happen

[2:19:46] tomorrow that would change that. And as I say, buying can answer as many questions as

[2:19:54] like about what all these specific components are.

[2:20:04] Any discussion? I've got a couple.

[2:20:08] If I can. One real quick question. How many are you aware of how many open burning

[2:20:22] commercial facilities we have within the county today for burning.

[2:20:29] I, for vegetative debris,

[2:20:34] just a note, a note, as the municipalities in act, there are no

[2:20:40] barn requirements. This material is going to have to get somewhere. And I'm assuming it's

[2:20:46] going to go somewhere in Brisbane County. And so I guess my question is, if someone was going

[2:20:56] to enlarge their operation within the county, would that not require some type of regulatory

[2:21:06] decision from planning or from this board to the air of the north or the south do that?

[2:21:13] Yes, so just last week the Board of Adjustment Approved, a special use permit for an air curtain and senator.

[2:21:19] A member from DEQ air quality who permits that on behalf of the state.

[2:21:25] I believe he listed four air curtain and senator's currently in operation in Brunswick County.

[2:21:36] And his department is the one that permits them on behalf of the state and does inspections.

[2:21:42] Okay, so we are going to see an increase in commercial operations for burning in the county.

[2:21:54] That's what you're telling me.

[2:21:55] We saw one last week.

[2:21:56] I can't say what will happen from here on.

[2:21:58] It doesn't have to come before this board for approval.

[2:22:02] No, sir.

[2:22:03] Through the UDO with the special use permit in the zoning district, he was in at least.

[2:22:08] Okay, so whenever the gentleman is doing the review of the UDO is he putting something in there

[2:22:15] to where something like that needs to come that's has that big about impact on the public is he bringing it back to this board?

[2:22:24] I'm the air curtain insercererators are the ones that keep it from having the impact on the public.

[2:22:33] I think I'm misunderstanding.

[2:22:37] Any burning is burning.

[2:22:40] Okay.

[2:22:40] Burning is burning.

[2:22:42] It burns at a high rate, but the operation is still the same.

[2:22:49] It's in a pit.

[2:22:50] I mean, it still works the same way.

[2:22:53] And if you're increasing the amount I've loaded, then it's going to increase the amount

[2:23:03] that your public has to deal with, or you're going to see a constant.

[2:23:09] So I guess my question is, for something like that that impacts the public, let's

[2:23:14] height the UDO would not have that going to a committee to decide, looks like it would have

[2:23:22] coming to the elected body to decide.

[2:23:25] The Board of Adjustment is strictly handles the quasi-judicial issues that through the

[2:23:35] Unio have a higher scrutiny, such as the special use permits and the variances.

[2:23:43] So if it needs higher scrutiny, that's the Board it goes to.

[2:23:46] Okay.

[2:23:46] So we just deal with the complaints, this is what you're telling me.

[2:23:53] Okay, switching from that back over to the moratorium, you know, I granted I'm glad

[2:24:01] that our fire departments all or certified fire departments, you know, we do not have a

[2:24:07] fire department in this county for the past 30 years that hasn't answered a call.

[2:24:13] they all answer a call. My concern is that grading a fire department and becoming a fire department

[2:24:22] as far as the state's concern has nothing to do with the operation of the fire department

[2:24:28] on a daily basis or an evening basis. Staffing of that department, the only thing they need to do

[2:24:35] is turning a roster and if we put all those rosters together and went through them, we could

[2:24:41] probably find matching names on a number of those departments just so that we can make our

[2:24:49] books and get our great. My concern is that we are not having the staffing to be able

[2:24:59] to make good decisions. Now we can, again, we can argue all night about whether that gets

[2:25:08] us into a moratorium or not about public safety. It is a public safety issue whether or not

[2:25:14] it's to the extent of a moratorium or not that that's to be decided. We haven't had a major

[2:25:23] death because of it. We haven't lost any children because of it but that's not to say that

[2:25:30] that couldn't happen this evening. We have been very fortunate with our response and granted we

[2:25:38] have to send nine departments to a structure fire to be able to get enough firefighters to

[2:25:42] go in and fight the fire or to implement a rescue, hopefully the person can hold on long

[2:25:52] enough. And that's what, if the truth is known about it, that's what brought this to my attention,

[2:25:59] we had one that didn't hold on long enough. And needed rescue, didn't receive rescue by the initial

[2:26:07] responding department because they didn't have the staff and so it, you know, we were very

[2:26:13] fortunate in that particular case, you know, the ladies obviously are going to have life

[2:26:19] long issues to deal with, but you know, she survived fortunately enough, but it's, that's

[2:26:27] not to say that it will happen that way next time.

[2:26:31] So I do think that we've got an issue there

[2:26:35] that needs to be addressed, whether or not we're saying

[2:26:38] that it's to the point of a moratorium or not.

[2:26:41] I realize about the roads, we can't do much about the roads,

[2:26:48] the schools, the schools are what they are.

[2:26:51] If you want to talk about poor planning three years ago,

[2:26:57] we talked to the school system about moving forward

[2:27:00] with some kind of option three years ago and we see where we're at today.

[2:27:06] So I'm, you know, it's, I guess it wasn't the right time.

[2:27:11] So, I don't know, but I do appreciate you coming up with the information

[2:27:15] and putting it out there so that the public can understand a little bit more about the challenges

[2:27:21] associated between the fire and the moratorium issues.

[2:27:25] And, sir, if I could add, I don't disagree with you and our senior staff doesn't disagree with you that there are significant issues in the fire service in the county that need to be addressed.

[2:27:41] I'm just saying to you one when they all have a state of a state seal of approval, and there's already such a high bar in the statute to implement a boardatorium.

[2:27:54] I think that would be in a pill battle. However, at your December meeting, we're going to have an agenda item to make some suggestions to move forward with at least a minimum steps to address some of the quality and staffing concerns.

[2:28:10] across our fire service.

[2:28:12] Right.

[2:28:13] Thank you.

[2:28:14] I'm good.

[2:28:16] I'd like to say one last bit to be more specific on, for example, the flood ordinance we had tonight.

[2:28:24] A lot of people don't consider that that is a development regulation.

[2:28:28] So, when 160D says, you cannot have a moratorium for residential uses that involves updating

[2:28:39] the development regulation, the agenda item 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, there's a paragraph 6 lines

[2:28:48] that lists all the development regulations from stormwater, erosion control, floodplain, historic

[2:28:55] preservation, housing, unified development ordinance.

[2:28:59] There's a whole extensive list that if the solution to the problem is updating one of

[2:29:05] these codes, then you can't have a more atorium for resident uses according to the statute.

[2:29:13] So when you look at what we're doing with stormwater and say this is proof we need a

[2:29:20] moratorium, that's actually specifically what the statute says you can't do.

[2:29:28] Okay, I appreciate staff and Commissioner Thompson bringing up this topic because the public needs to know what we can do and what we can't do and I would like for somewhere on our website to have this information about burning so that they'll know we can't ban the burning.

[2:29:55] whatever the regulation is and then the moratorium where, you know,

[2:30:00] What we can and can't do there. If we have a link on the website, then when people are constantly contacting

[2:30:08] us about us getting something done, just slow down the development, we'll have information

[2:30:15] there to provide them why we can't do anything. So I'd say staff are looking at it and bringing

[2:30:22] to the public attention.

[2:30:26] We'll get some quick links on the website to the info.

[2:30:31] Is that it, Pat?

[2:30:33] Mission waves?

[2:30:35] Going back to Brian, you mentioned air curtain burners,

[2:30:38] and I don't know a lot about those,

[2:30:40] but I actually found them when I googled

[2:30:43] alternatives to developer open burning.

[2:30:47] So, and Commissioner Thompson,

[2:30:48] you may know about them from your professional life.

[2:30:50] But I would love to know a little more about those,

[2:30:53] as far as, you know, it sounds like it's an alternative

[2:30:56] that doesn't put the same amount of smoke in the air

[2:30:58] and provides it, but also if it's truly a better alternative,

[2:31:04] would there be any option to maybe have one

[2:31:06] on our landfill and if there's a way to put in the UDO

[2:31:08] to incentivize them that they get some kind of a carrot

[2:31:13] for using that instead of burning.

[2:31:14] I'm just thinking out loud, have no idea if that's feasible,

[2:31:17] if it's legal, but if y'all could look into it.

[2:31:20] I think landfill staff in the past, we could again, but I'll tell you in general, particularly when you're looking at clearing significant tracks of land, these devices are high-cost and low-volume and in many instances might not really be financially feasible.

[2:31:45] And there are, I mean, the creation of landfills to put this debris in is theoretically possible.

[2:31:56] And I think we may get an implication for at least one of those.

[2:32:01] But the value of the material is such that that becomes costly and not very practical.

[2:32:07] So in fact, one person that's considering it, tell me that's between $5 and $10,000 per parcel estimated cost to go that way.

[2:32:21] And if we were going to create a landfill full of firewood, we need to make sure we have fire protection.

[2:32:28] I mean.

[2:32:29] Well, we have SRS to come pick it up.

[2:32:35] It may not be feasible, but it was just something that occurred to me as I was researching

[2:32:39] it again.

[2:32:39] I know very little about them except what I've read online, but if it's something we can

[2:32:44] investigate and see if it is feasible, it may not be, but we won't know until we look

[2:32:48] into it.

[2:32:48] Well, I mean, they work.

[2:32:51] They burn the material at such high temperature, at least the visible smoke and particulate

[2:32:57] is less.

[2:32:58] But as Commissioner Thompson said, the byproducts are still really there.

[2:33:04] Is there a market for any of the byproducts?

[2:33:08] They go into the air.

[2:33:09] That's almost as far as what doesn't go into the air.

[2:33:13] Yeah, the applicant last week stated that he takes the ash and mixes it with the dirt to make

[2:33:19] top soil.

[2:33:19] Top soil.

[2:33:21] Yeah.

[2:33:21] That's a big big big big thing out west now.

[2:33:25] Top soil.

[2:33:26] And going back to the air release by products, I'm assuming that would still be a lot less than with just an actual open burn.

[2:33:33] Yes.

[2:33:33] My understanding is the fire gets so hot, it burns the smoke, which is, I don't understand so.

[2:33:40] There's still, you still have some, I mean, a lot less than that.

[2:33:47] Yeah, because of the burn and the reburn and the pit.

[2:33:51] But you're comparing that to a big pile, and as we've already, that was the whole thing about all of this all along, and that's why we asked about forestry being in charge of it.

[2:34:08] The forestry does that niche as a permit, it looks at all the piles, it says, okay, you burn

[2:34:12] that pile, then you burn that pile, then you burn that pile, well, the guy that's managing

[2:34:19] the operation knows that whatever all the piles are gone, he gets his money and the project

[2:34:26] moves on.

[2:34:27] So he likes that pile, that pile, or that pile, and everybody starts calling,

[2:34:34] and forestry

[2:34:36] because nothing about it.

[2:34:38] So that's the, I guess that's the bad part.

[2:34:42] There's no, and I think Steve found this out.

[2:34:45] There's no teeth in the permit process with the stake.

[2:34:50] I mean, our folks burning in their backyard,

[2:34:54] 55 gallons of drum is not, you know,

[2:34:57] if you got that kind of beef with your neighbor,

[2:34:59] then you go have it out with your neighbor

[2:35:01] and you don't work it out.

[2:35:03] our problem is is clear-cut it. And in my opinion, barrestry either doesn't have the support

[2:35:14] to follow up on their permit and something that some legislation needs to be stirred there.

[2:35:24] But eventually, it's not going to matter because everything's already going to be burnt up in Brunswick County.

[2:35:30] So we're going to be built out.

[2:35:35] Any other discussion?

[2:35:39] OK.

[2:35:39] Thank you, everybody.

[2:35:42] Moving on.

[2:35:45] We have a request that the Board

[2:35:46] consider an appointment for Gregory Price

[2:35:50] to the Bolivia Planning Board as the ETJ appointee.

[2:35:55] Mr. Price is working this evening.

[2:35:58] It cannot be here in person.

[2:36:00] But our friend, the mayor, is back here, Nancy Cook.

[2:36:08] She's been waiting very patiently for us to approve this.

[2:36:12] I called her go home and don't worry about it before she started, but she wanted to be here.

[2:36:17] How much approval?

[2:36:19] Oh, sir.

[2:36:21] William's Thompson.

[2:36:23] Any discussion?

[2:36:25] Well, those in favor, please say aye.

[2:36:29] There you go, Mayor.

[2:36:33] All right.

[2:36:33] and please excuse me. Any other business or discussion

[2:36:40] on the Board?

[2:36:41] Two quick things. One is I'd love to get an update on where we are as far as getting

[2:36:46] moving with the feasibility study on the stormwater utility. It may be

[2:36:51] that at the next meeting but I'm curious about that. Secondly, the rural

[2:36:56] planning organization that Commissioner Forte and I sit on adopted some

[2:37:00] transportation legislative goals that I will send to this board and if you guys are interested

[2:37:04] in we can adopt something similar at the next meeting they're pretty basic I don't see

[2:37:09] you know one of them is for DOT to provide additional funding to maintain its ditches in the area

[2:37:14] regulated by the coastal area management so things like that they would help other things we're talking

[2:37:19] about but I'll send those out and if we're interested we could put those on the next meeting.

[2:37:24] Okay.

[2:37:24] I've got a term. One thing. I was saddened to learn this week of the passing of one of our former employees

[2:37:32] Doug Ledget. It was a a a parametric or a number of you matter fact he served in a number of different

[2:37:41] roles with Franz Witt County over the years but he certainly served with distinction and he certainly

[2:37:50] was a pioneer in the paramedic program with private county. So I would just ask it. Remember

[2:37:58] his family during this time? Yeah, I worked with him. I worked when he was in the main office.

[2:38:06] Any other discussion, Marty? Well, we'll recognize the Schloat Mayor elect. The Honourable Art

[2:38:12] Dornfield isn't the back, so congratulations. Another glutton for punishment sitting it out all these

[2:38:19] He doesn't know what he's saying.

[2:38:23] Any bets on whether he keeps coming to our meetings once he has had chairs.

[2:38:26] Oh heck no.

[2:38:35] Anything else?

[2:38:37] Mr. Terny, you want to take us into close session?

[2:38:40] Chairman Fordang, give us a quick answer to Mr. Williams's question about the feasibility study.

[2:38:45] It's out right now. It's on the website for Bids, for folks to put that in.

[2:38:51] and they close on December 5th.

[2:38:53] Okay, so we'll have what we got on December 5th.

[2:38:58] Okay, Mr. Returning.

[2:39:00] Yes sir, if I can get on motion to enter into closed session,

[2:39:02] we're showing it to 143, 3, 8, 10, 11, A, 1, 3 and 5.

[2:39:07] Approve minutes, discuss the acquisition of property

[2:39:10] and consult with attorney.

[2:39:11] So, look, check that out.

[2:39:13] I was pretty much everybody dialing.

[2:39:15] You're sighting me, yeah, we're all there.

[2:39:16] I'll vote in favor.

[2:39:17] Pick any two names you want.

[2:56:01] That's we're back Mr. Returny. Yes, thank you. Thank you for the motion to acquire easements on parcel 02400202 and 02400202 up to an including condemnation.

[2:56:20] some food.

[2:56:22] Cook, Thompson, any discussion?

[2:56:26] All those in favor?

[2:56:28] Aye.

[2:56:29] Somebody please say move to adjourn.

[2:56:32] There's the one I'm looking for.

[2:56:35] We're done.

[2:56:37] Good night, all.

[2:56:38] Yeah.

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