[0:00] Yes.

[0:01] >> Yeah. So, essentially this is Robert's

[0:04] purchases and Cory's maintenance and

[0:06] purchases as well. It makes up that $13

[0:08] million.

[0:10] Um, so next slide, Adam is proposed

[0:14] elementary school debt payments. We need

[0:16] a loan to build these schools. We don't

[0:17] have $55 million in reserve to build the

[0:19] schools. We need a loan. So, I'll talk

[0:22] about the detail of that later. $4.4

[0:25] million.

[0:27] In my conversations with lenders, it's a possibility they want us to put

[0:31] essentially a reserve fund in case of

[0:33] non-payment and they want us to

[0:35] potentially have about a $4.5 million

[0:37] reserve fund established.

[0:40] It's kind of like when, for example,

[0:41] when I built my house, that construction

[0:43] loan, the bank asked me to put a large

[0:46] sum of money, $30, $40,000 into their

[0:49] bank that they held that I couldn't

[0:50] access until my loan was paid off. Same

[0:53] concept. It's our money. they can't use

[0:56] it, but they want to hold in reserve in

[0:57] case we non-perform our loan. Not going

[0:59] to happen, but that's part of the

[1:00] unwritten process at the bank. I'm

[1:03] working with them on that to hopefully

[1:05] not have that, and I think I made

[1:06] progress on that, but this is worst case

[1:09] scenario.

[1:17] I was asking a question about um can you

[1:20] tell me again what loan we're talking

[1:22] about for the

[1:24] >> for the Discovery Elementary and West

[1:26] Tremont elementary school builds

[1:28] >> total amount of that

[1:30] >> about $55 million.

[1:33] I'll have a slide on that. I'll go into

[1:34] that detail at a later point here.

[1:39] uh secure vestables. So HB84 back in

[1:42] 2003 required

[1:45] uh school districts in any school really

[1:47] to secure their front entrances called a

[1:49] secure vestible, a place where they can

[1:51] contain visitors that can't get into the

[1:52] main part of the building without

[1:54] verifying their identity uh and be

[1:57] basically a secure area. Uh we have some

[1:59] schools that are challenging to to

[2:02] construct those that require significant

[2:03] capital investments. We're forecasting

[2:05] about $2.6 million. We haven't designed

[2:08] those yet. That's just our best guess

[2:10] based on what we know might need to

[2:11] happen.

[2:13] Um, security sewer preventive

[2:15] maintenance. Right now, we're working

[2:17] with our construction managers to

[2:19] inspect all our sewer lines with a

[2:21] camera, determine where they might be

[2:23] failure points. And this is to fix those

[2:26] failure points so later on during school

[2:29] hours or in the future we don't have

[2:31] broken lines. This is preventing the

[2:33] maintenance. kind of like taking your

[2:34] car to the mechanic and have them do a

[2:36] once over and check everything that

[2:38] needs to be lubed or replaced, tires,

[2:41] oil, uh, washer fluid, all those things.

[2:43] That's what we're doing for our sewer

[2:44] system to prevent that. Yes.

[2:46] >> Does that amount does that amount

[2:50] include um just finding out or does that

[2:53] include the maintenance?

[2:55] >> This is the repair. So, the finding out

[2:56] we're doing right now in this fiscal

[2:57] year with existing budgets.

[2:59] >> Okay. Thanks.

[3:02] Um then next we have air conditioning

[3:04] installation. Now I have detail on these

[3:06] line items in different slides, but this

[3:08] is an overview. Um $5.1 million to air

[3:11] condition the remaining parts of our

[3:12] school district. So every building has

[3:14] air conditioning. We know that was a a

[3:16] um priority for the public in our

[3:18] surveys. So we're putting forward

[3:19] existing capital funds to do that.

[3:22] Uh school bus purchases. So we refresh

[3:25] our school bus fleet as buses age out.

[3:27] Currently, we're doing about a million3

[3:30] to a million5 per year. So, this is that line item for that those purchases.

[3:35] Then, we take the older buses, we go

[3:36] sell them at auction. A lot of times we

[3:39] get 8 $10,000 for a school bus. Not a

[3:42] lot. We use them till they till their

[3:44] maintenance costs more to operate than

[3:46] it is for us to buy a new school bus.

[3:49] A biggest thing on school buses, the

[3:51] problem is emissions items. So, they're

[3:54] all diesel vehicles. So, the diesel

[3:56] particulate filters and the diesel

[3:58] exhaust fluid uh system are very costly

[4:00] to replace. So, when we get to that

[4:02] point where we're looking at a 40 or

[4:04] $50,000 repair in parts, it's that time

[4:06] to replace that bus.

[4:10] Um, district vehicle purchases.

[4:11] Currently, we don't have a plan for

[4:13] purchasing district vehicles as they age

[4:15] out. And this is for what we call our

[4:17] white fleet suburbans, vans, cars that

[4:20] are used around our district to

[4:21] transport students and staff for their

[4:24] different responsibilities. Um, as I

[4:26] mentioned earlier, we have some

[4:27] suburbans that are 200,000 miles. That's

[4:29] pretty that's pretty high for a vehicle

[4:31] that depends on to transport students

[4:33] around the state. So, as these age out,

[4:36] we will buy new vehicles, sell the old

[4:38] ones at auction, but this is a line item

[4:40] to to purchase those as we need

[4:42] throughout the year.

[4:46] Um, Bay River High School improvements.

[4:50] >> Oh, you have a question?

[4:54] » I was just curious if that was the same

[4:55] budget for the driver's ed cars or

[4:58] >> It could be.

[4:59] >> Oh, yeah.

[5:00] >> Yeah. So, we can um move driver's ed

[5:03] cars into the fleet and buy new driver's

[5:05] ed cars. We try and use these vehicles

[5:08] as much as we can till they start

[5:09] costing us money extra for maintenance

[5:12] or we feel like they're unsafe. So, we

[5:14] try and for our larger vehicles are

[5:16] trucks that are in CTE or maintenance

[5:19] vehicles, they're about 150,000 miles

[5:21] that we start to move them on. Other

[5:23] vehicles, the sweet spots right about

[5:25] 100,000 miles where they still have

[5:26] decent amount of value, but they're not

[5:29] starting to fall apart so much need

[5:30] maintenance.

[5:32] >> Just a question or an answer about

[5:34] driver's ed cars. We used to have a a

[5:36] state uh grant that brought about

[5:39] $60,000

[5:40] uh annually and that grant was

[5:42] eliminated. And so we would buy about

[5:46] two cars and kind of replace the oldest

[5:50] two. And so that would be kind of the

[5:52] rotation. So now that that's gone, then

[5:54] we're going to have to find a way to run

[5:57] them, sell them, and use some general

[6:00] funds to kind of help that.

[6:04] 12

[6:08] 13.

[6:09] We're at 13.

[6:12] >> Another thing about driver's ed vehicles

[6:14] that they have some special equipment

[6:15] inside them that about 10 to $15,000

[6:18] extra for the passenger side brake and

[6:20] things like that. There's other things

[6:21] that go into those vehicles.

[6:25] >> I mean, I I learned to drive without the

[6:27] passenger side brake, but I'm sure most

[6:29] today they appreciate it.

[6:32] All right. Um, playground budget again,

[6:35] 4,000 five $500,000

[6:38] total expenditures and most these are

[6:39] onetime expenditures are $39 million.

[6:46] » So, the high school,

[6:57] >> we'll get to that. I have a slide for

[6:58] that.

[7:02] This is this is a we've not voted.

[7:06] >> No, this is a proposal for us to

[7:08] discuss.

[7:10] >> Right.

[7:10] >> Yes.

[7:17] » I think when I met with you the Bear

[7:19] Ridge High School improvements haven't

[7:20] been fleshed out yet, so that wasn't on

[7:21] there. That probably is new for you.

[7:23] >> And that's the same for all of us.

[7:26] >> Yeah.

[7:29] So budgeted fund balances question mark

[7:30] because we don't have a budget yet. When

[7:32] we pass that budget in June, we'll have

[7:34] a number there. Um estimated funding

[7:36] balance based on this work here is $14

[7:39] million. Remember we have $4.5 million

[7:42] set aside for debt reserve. So really it

[7:44] will be about $18 million.

[7:47] Um I'm I'm pretty sure that's what we'll

[7:48] end up at. I don't think we'll have to

[7:50] have that debt reserve.

[7:54] So, our fund balance history in 2020, I

[7:57] went back to there. $23.8 million is

[8:00] what our fund balance was there. In 21

[8:03] went to $31 million. What happened in

[8:05] 21?

[8:06] We got a loan for Golden Spike. So, the

[8:09] money got got deposited there. Um, so

[8:13] that went up, but it's earmarked for

[8:14] construction only. Then we built Golden

[8:17] Spike and it went down to $17.5 million.

[8:20] Golden Spike was a $15 million loan. The

[8:24] $25 million build when you factor in all

[8:26] what we call FFN fixtures, furnishings,

[8:28] and equipment that goes inside the

[8:30] building. All your school lunch stuff,

[8:32] all your desk, your chairs, computers,

[8:34] um furniture in the office, all that.

[8:37] And that total bill was $25 million.

[8:40] So, we did about $10 million out of our

[8:43] regular fund balance and 15 from alone.

[8:48] » Any other questions?

[8:58] uh West Treemont, we're we'll be about

[9:00] nine years later by the time we start

[9:01] construction.

[9:03] So, great question. So, that cost to

[9:05] build that school um as designed in 2017

[9:10] was $17 million. No, it's 20 2021 when

[9:18] >> Well, I'm okay. I

[9:21] >> Yeah, I'm trying to compare Westmont to

[9:22] Westmont then. Same building footprint,

[9:25] $17 million. Today, same building

[9:27] footprint, $ 35 to $40 million. We're

[9:30] not done with engineering yet because

[9:32] engineering standards change. So, it's a

[9:33] little that's a wild card we have to

[9:35] deal with there.

[9:37] Any questions?

[9:40] Okay.

[9:42] So our low point was 2022 17.5. Then we

[9:45] started building fund balance as we go

[9:47] through. Um

[9:49] one of our bigger jumps right here was

[9:53] due to there's a tax increase that was

[9:55] passed by the board in 2023. So we have

[9:58] a jump here about $4 million. There's a

[10:01] bigger jump here. Um this mostly due to

[10:05] construction projects that we that

[10:06] didn't materialize and additional uh tax

[10:10] funds mostly from our fee and loo and

[10:12] other taxing our flat taxes that we get

[10:14] that aren't part of the property tax

[10:16] calculation.

[10:19] So then we're going to end up

[10:20] potentially

[10:22] in end of this year end next year about

[10:24] $14 million if we do all these projects.

[10:28] really 18 million when you factor in the

[10:30] debt service reserve, but I'm

[10:32] forecasting for worst case scenario

[10:33] here. You have any questions on this?

[10:40] » Is there an amount we're supposed to

[10:42] have recommended amount?

[10:44] >> There's not.

[10:45] And that's been a question

[10:46] amongst business administrators across

[10:47] the state asking what is your

[10:50] recommended policy? What is there a

[10:51] policy on your board for how much

[10:53] percentage of cost you have in here? And

[10:56] there's not because

[10:58] districts are usually doing construction

[11:01] or maintenance projects across the year

[11:04] and their maintenance schedule or

[11:05] construction schedule may vary. So when

[11:07] you sell a bond or you borrow money, it

[11:10] goes into this fund. So it may look like

[11:12] a huge balance like we had in 21 $31

[11:14] million, but half of that was earmarked

[11:17] for construction.

[11:19] So it's it's hard to have a recommended

[11:21] ongoing fund balance in this fund

[11:23] because of that. We could break out to a

[11:25] different fund and sure we could have a

[11:27] board target but there really isn't a

[11:29] standard across the state for that

[11:31] target because this all depends on your

[11:33] facility and maintenance needs.

[11:36] >> Yes. Clarification talk about the need

[11:38] for

[11:39] the 5%.

[11:41] >> Oh yes

[11:42] >> I don't know if that's part of it. Um

[11:45] yeah so the general fund balance so

[11:47] operational fund that's basically that's

[11:49] what our mission is to teach kids all

[11:52] the funds that support that called

[11:53] operation or fund 10 fund 10

[11:57] the targeted balance by the various

[12:00] organizations that I belong to

[12:02] government finance office association uh

[12:05] gazsby government accounting standards

[12:06] board and various Utah public treasures

[12:09] association 25% of operational cost

[12:12] should be saved in the reserve

[12:14] That's essentially three months

[12:15] operational cost. Yeah. So three months,

[12:18] one quarter.

[12:20] Uh that is consistent of what people

[12:22] preach in personal finance. Have three

[12:24] months of expenses saved. Uh for us

[12:27] that's about $32 million.

[12:30] Uh we ended last year in the general

[12:32] fund, not listed here, but in the

[12:33] general fund about $28 million. Pretty

[12:36] close to that target. Of that $28

[12:38] million, some is earmarked for various

[12:41] things. For example, we have $3.9

[12:44] million and we call uh it's a a reserve

[12:48] account the board selects and and funds

[12:52] $3.9 million. The limit of that is 5% of

[12:56] your expenditures. We have about 3.9% in

[13:00] there. This year, if we want to as a

[13:02] board, we can dedicate additional funds

[13:04] to get to that max 5% in the operations

[13:07] fund. Other things in there that are

[13:10] earmarked are uh funds for we call

[13:13] retirement liabilities about $4.5

[13:16] million. There's additional funds for

[13:18] other other dedicated projects such as

[13:20] curriculum adoptions. We have dedicated

[13:23] funds for personal uh development in

[13:25] there. So we have various dedications,

[13:28] but we have about $12 million in there

[13:30] that's not earmarked for future

[13:31] spending. That is just capital savings

[13:34] for sorry operational savings for when

[13:36] we have those needs because we know what

[13:39] our state funding is going to be every

[13:41] year. Our local funding kind of es and

[13:44] flows

[13:46] depending on the payment rate of taxes

[13:48] in our county. Our county has about a

[13:50] 94% payment rate that's been coming down

[13:54] in recent years as high as 96. So that

[13:56] affects how much local money we have

[13:58] coming in. Also uh all our flat fees in L those up e and flow with the

[14:04] economy we have a recession and we have

[14:07] consumers not buying vehicles and

[14:09] trailers and all those things that's

[14:10] going to go down. So we have a fund

[14:13] balance to take care of those

[14:15] uncertainty in local tax flows. Also our

[14:18] federal government at times cuts funding

[14:20] or redistributes funding or we have

[14:23] funding decline for different reasons.

[14:25] For example, in title one, it's based on

[14:28] poverty rates in our county. Those rates

[14:31] are declining. The 2020 census, our

[14:34] poverty rate was 9% in our county. The

[14:37] most recent census data came out on for

[14:38] 2024 year was 6%. So, we had 3% decline

[14:42] in poverty rates in our county. That

[14:45] equated to a $250,000 cut in Title One

[14:48] funds. So we have these local savings to

[14:52] account for those uncertainties that

[14:53] happened throughout the over the years.

[14:57] Uh questions.

[15:00] Okay.

[15:02] Uh questions on fund balance history.

[15:07] Okay.

[15:10] Uh let's talk about our proposed

[15:11] purchases. So we talked about district

[15:13] vehicles. We're going to replace older

[15:14] vehicles to reduce maintenance costs. Uh

[15:17] school buses. Again, we're going to

[15:18] replace 18 vehicles on a perox schedule.

[15:21] Um, buses are a long lead item. We have

[15:24] some buses that we ordered in 2024

[15:27] that have not been delivered yet.

[15:30] We're still waiting on them.

[15:33] So, that's why we have maintained this

[15:34] budget here to periodically order buses

[15:36] so we know when they come in, they're

[15:37] available for use because they're not a common item. They're not like F-150s

[15:41] that you build millions a year. They're

[15:43] but not quite custom order, but it takes

[15:44] a while. is only a few manufacturers,

[15:46] mostly Bluebird and International make

[15:49] buses and so there's only two

[15:51] manufacturers and it's it's a longer

[15:54] time to get these buses

[15:58] um secure vestable. So here's the detail

[16:00] on that. Uh with Corey uh and DWA, our

[16:04] construction manager, we estimated what

[16:06] we're going to have to do, what we need

[16:08] to So we need about uh 100,000 for Bay

[16:11] River High School. We need about uh

[16:15] $500,000 for Box Elder High School and

[16:18] Box Elder Middle School. It's about $2

[16:21] million because right now the office is

[16:23] way down the hall. So to move that and

[16:26] pro and create additional space for

[16:27] secure vestables in front will take some

[16:29] funds. Um Corey is here to talk about

[16:34] this if we have questions on that for

[16:35] Corey.

[16:44] Uh not for this state is the state

[16:47] funding helping because they're

[16:49] mandating.

[16:49] >> No.

[16:58] » And how long are we thinking that will

[17:00] take? We well this if we approve these

[17:03] projects that depends on the capacity of

[17:06] local contractors we would have to go

[17:08] through especially for the middle school

[17:10] design process architects be involved

[17:13] and go through that process. It's a

[17:14] smaller design process but we still have

[17:15] to go through that process. The deadline

[17:17] for having these in place is 2034.

[17:20] They gave us a long lead time notifying

[17:22] hey we're not going to help you with

[17:24] these construction costs. So please plan

[17:26] on them. And so that's again part of our

[17:29] capital balance is a plan for these

[17:30] long-term construction projects.

[17:35] » We would like to do it sooner than

[17:36] later.

[17:37] >> Yes. Yes. Yes. There are some safety

[17:40] concerns that we like to address so not

[17:42] everybody can just walk in the building

[17:44] and not be noticed.

[17:53] » Yes. Yes. But it is a

[17:57] >> it is.

[18:00] And this is uh I'm not sure what year

[18:02] this building was designed to melt, but

[18:04] I know it was decades ago that this was

[18:06] not even a consideration.

[18:08] My my son goes to Weber High and they

[18:11] have the same problem. They you walk

[18:13] into that school, they have a secure

[18:14] vestible, but the office is way far away

[18:16] and you walk into a giant courtyard that

[18:18] spoken hub. So for them to secure it in

[18:21] a meaningful way would be difficult as

[18:22] well. So, we're not unique to the

[18:24] problem that to comply with the law,

[18:26] it's going to take significant amounts

[18:28] of money.

[18:32] Uh, oh, I can go back to this one here.

[18:35] Sewer maintenance. Those are our

[18:37] estimates. We don't based on a

[18:40] historical cost and expenditures, for

[18:42] example, the fix the lake view problems

[18:44] about $120,000 this year. We don't know

[18:47] what we're going to find. These are just

[18:49] ballparks of what we think we might need

[18:51] and we'll know better about that um

[18:54] probably closer to July. Cory,

[18:56] >> hopefully it's just

[18:59] >> okay.

[19:01] Well, that's basically July.

[19:04] >> Okay. July.

[19:08] » Questions on the maintenance?

[19:10] Yes.

[19:11] >> Just that

[19:14] >> is that like you in addition to what we

[19:15] are expend.

[19:17] >> Yes. So, we fixed the what was broken,

[19:19] but we didn't fix what could break in

[19:21] the future.

[19:24] » Uh, air conditioning of the $5.1

[19:27] million. Here's our breakdown.

[19:30] Um, you can see Bear River High School

[19:32] is the biggest cost. We have the

[19:34] equipment. Um, I'm not We bought it

[19:37] during the pandemic, but we didn't have

[19:40] funds or or I wasn't here. I don't know

[19:43] why we didn't install, but I know that

[19:44] funding was an issue back then. And so

[19:47] that's an estimate there and know we

[19:50] haven't gotten very far on that one. So

[19:51] we're estimating about $5.1 million for

[19:53] all these projects. Caveat is we don't

[19:56] have to dedicate all these funds in this

[19:57] year. We have we can have some timeline

[20:00] to do that, but that would be a priority

[20:02] the board establishes.

[20:04] >> This year we already

[20:08] the current one we're in. We decide we

[20:10] dedicated 1.5. This is in addition to

[20:11] that 1.5.

[20:15] So really that 1.5 will roll over to

[20:17] this year because we're not going to get

[20:18] it done this year. So that 1.5 will come

[20:20] back into the fund balance.

[20:23] It's not part of this.

[20:24] >> And when we approve that, we just

[20:26] decided we take a chunk that line item

[20:29] when we approve that

[20:32] one or two.

[20:33] >> Yep. Yep.

[20:35] >> The 1.5 was only for the middle school

[20:37] at the time for this year. These are

[20:40] additions to those.

[20:44] Yes, this but this is a need here that

[20:46] we're going to earmark for those things

[20:47] and we'll keep on rolling that forward

[20:49] according to the board priorities of

[20:50] when which schools to prioritize and

[20:52] when to do those schools.

[20:57] Uh playground upgrades $500,000. Here's

[21:00] a rationale. Replace older playgrounds

[21:02] that pose a safety hazard. Time to time

[21:05] students get injured when a playground

[21:06] fails. Um broken bones sometimes we want

[21:10] to prevent that. They're very old in

[21:12] some places. They're not big enough.

[21:13] They're antic spaces. We know we have an

[21:16] overcrowding issue in a lot of

[21:18] elementary schools. And contributing to

[21:20] that is our playgrounds don't have

[21:22] enough space for kids to spread out and

[21:23] it creates behavior and other incidences

[21:25] where if we expand our playground spaces

[21:28] and put newer, more modern playgrounds

[21:30] in there that hopefully will alleviate

[21:31] some of those issues. But with the new

[21:34] playgrounds, do we just on wood chips or

[21:38] are we getting like the

[21:40] >> pour in place?

[21:41] >> Does that mean the rubber thingy?

[21:43] >> Yes.

[21:44] That is this new standard for

[21:46] schools.

[21:47] >> Heidi, do you have something to add to

[21:48] that?

[21:51] Did a really great job of summarizing

[21:52] it.

[22:00] Okay, we do have 250,000.

[22:02] >> Is your mic on? I think your mic's off.

[22:06] I

[22:06] >> think we have 250,000 in the budget

[22:09] annually for ADA playgrounds. So, we are

[22:11] working through that. Really good news

[22:13] to hear. There's 500,000 for this summer

[22:16] to get started on projects because there

[22:18] is a major discrepancy between the

[22:20] playground spaces that we have available

[22:23] um the year and the quality and just the

[22:25] availability of space to play at North

[22:27] Park and McKinley when you compare it to

[22:29] Sentry or Discovery or Hton Spike or

[22:31] Garland. Many of our elementary schools

[22:34] have a separate play space for our our

[22:37] younger elementary students and our

[22:38] upper elementary students. And in

[22:40] addition to that, some of our

[22:41] playgrounds also have a kindergarten

[22:43] preschool playground and an ADA

[22:45] playground. At both McKinley and North

[22:47] Park, there's genuinely one little

[22:50] playground that's smaller than the

[22:52] center of this space that all 650 kids

[22:55] get on at one time. And those are really

[22:58] outdated and old. So that's the initial

[23:00] intent here is to begin with those two

[23:03] playgrounds and update and expand

[23:06] increase so that we have less of those

[23:07] safety hazards to repair some of the

[23:10] broken stuff. Um make it so that they

[23:12] have a space to separate the K2 and 35

[23:15] students. That's something we've heard

[23:17] many many concerns about and

[23:20] frustrations from our school community

[23:22] councils and parent communities in both

[23:24] of those areas over the last three to

[23:25] four years. So, I think that it's

[23:28] something that they've really been

[23:29] pushing for and promoting. This next

[23:31] year, the ADA playground is being

[23:34] allocated to um Century Elementary

[23:38] um because they hold ESY there and they

[23:41] have functional skills. We've been

[23:42] alternating north and south end. We're

[23:45] considering the next one going in that

[23:48] you learn based off of me.

[23:54] » They'll be started this summer. It

[23:56] sounds like they won't be able to be

[23:57] done, right?

[24:02] » For the ADA of 500 or in addition to

[24:06] 500.

[24:06] >> Neil's saying in addition,

[24:07] >> in addition, we wrote a new line item. I

[24:09] want to say in March or February, I

[24:11] can't remember which month. We have too

[24:13] much fun together.

[24:14] >> When we do 250,000, if we split up

[24:16] between the two playgrounds and then the

[24:18] board in place itself is about 60,000,

[24:21] that would leave like 60,000 worth of

[24:24] equipment. And that is not very much.

[24:27] It's like one climb on object without

[24:30] slides or space. So 250 between the two

[24:34] schools just would not provide them with

[24:35] very much. Yeah. I just wanted like the

[24:37] context for me. I was like, "Oh,

[24:38] $250,000 state-of-the-art playground."

[24:41] But it's it's really not. And when you

[24:43] split it between two schools and the

[24:44] pour in place is really an upfront

[24:47] expense for the safety.

[24:49] I think for context, the Discovery the

[24:52] new playground at Discovery Elementary

[24:55] ADA compliant is about $165,000.

[24:59] They're expensive. They're needed and we

[25:02] need to make them safe and have adequate

[25:03] space for all our students because

[25:05] recess is a really important part of the

[25:06] elementary experience.

[25:15] an explanation.

[25:23] » So the poor in place, we have a member

[25:27] on his way and I want to let him know

[25:28] that he can still come. It's clay is on

[25:31] his way. The poor in place is a risk

[25:34] issue. It prevents a lot of injuries,

[25:37] serious injuries from falls. The wood

[25:39] chips in the winter time they freeze and

[25:42] they're hard as rock and they fall and

[25:43] they hurt people. They often maintained

[25:46] uh on a regular basis. Astro turf or the

[25:49] turf artificial turf it sometimes gets

[25:52] wear patterns and wears out fast and has

[25:54] to be reconditioned. Pour in place

[25:56] really is the most cost effective at

[25:57] reducing um uh injuries and being

[26:01] longlasting.

[26:12] other questions on playgrounds.

[26:16] Okay.

[26:20] Uh Boxeller High School.

[26:24] Um actually, let's skip this for now cuz

[26:27] Clay Tus, vice principal of Box High, is

[26:30] on his way.

[26:31] >> Sorry, Bear River High. I'm sorry. Uh so

[26:34] let's skip these right here. Let's go to

[26:36] the elementary.

[26:39] All right. So, construction plans

[26:43] discover expansion 12 classrooms,

[26:46] eight are general ed classrooms. These

[26:48] will eliminate the two portables that we

[26:49] already have there. Um, we have a

[26:52] preschool and we have special space as

[26:54] well. Is that accurate, Cory?

[26:59] » Okay.

[27:03] » Oh, sorry. Net eight, but net of eight

[27:05] when we take in the portables.

[27:06] >> Yes.

[27:07] >> Okay. So, 10 general classrooms,

[27:09] preschool classrooms, special ed

[27:11] classrooms. We're going to take some of

[27:12] our special ed students from other

[27:14] locations that are have a high burden

[27:16] for special ed, move them over to the

[27:19] Discovery Elementary to spread out that

[27:21] population and allow students to attend

[27:24] closer to the neighborhood schools where

[27:25] possible.

[27:27] Um, we're going to add additional gym

[27:28] space because you can't have eat lunch

[27:32] and have gym at the same time. And so we

[27:34] don't have enough space for that. And so

[27:36] we're adding additional gym space for

[27:37] that purpose. So we can separate our

[27:39] lunchtime from our PE time at and have

[27:42] them run at the same time.

[27:44] Um additional playground area as well.

[27:46] We're going to have a playground area go

[27:48] to the north into the field right there.

[27:51] Not the whole field, but a portion of

[27:52] Davis Park will become play space for

[27:54] these students. again with our our um

[27:58] our aim to increase play spaces, have

[28:00] adequate spaces for students and

[28:01] adequate playground uh equipment ADA

[28:04] compliant for those students that need

[28:06] that. Um this will add between 180 to

[28:09] 200,000 students. Sorry, not thousand

[28:11] 200 students 180 to 200 students

[28:16] um total capacity questions on

[28:18] discovery.

[28:21] Uh not listed here is we're air

[28:23] conditioning the building. So, as part

[28:25] of this project, the old part of the

[28:26] building will receive air conditioning

[28:27] as long as well as the new part.

[28:31] Um, cost is about $15 million total

[28:34] cost. Yes,

[28:36] >> I remember being in there with like the

[28:44] questions about um updating the

[28:48] >> controls,

[28:50] >> fire alarm. Yes. Fire, fire and air

[28:53] conditioner controls. Yes.

[28:56] >> Yeah.

[28:57] Uh, one thing we didn't see coming when

[28:59] we designed this building, um, this

[29:02] building doesn't have fire sprinklers in

[29:03] it. It wasn't required in 1994 when it

[29:06] was built, now required. So, we're going

[29:08] to have to have fire protection in the

[29:10] new building and the old building. So,

[29:12] we're going to have to sprinkle the

[29:12] whole building. So, that's additional

[29:14] cost that we weren't con considering

[29:16] when we started the design process and

[29:17] RFP process.

[29:20] So we'll bring the whole thing up to

[29:21] standards including secure vegetables as

[29:23] well.

[29:25] Uh West Traymon I think we're about 30

[29:27] classrooms. Cory is that

[29:40] » compare?

[29:42] So, Golden Spike Elementary is 104,000

[29:46] square ft

[29:48] and this Fremont Elementary would be

[29:51] 85,000 square ft. So, it's about 20,000

[29:54] square ft smaller. Um, we are about 34

[29:59] classrooms.

[30:01] Um, it's one story.

[30:04] We we have done modifications to the

[30:07] 2017 design so that it is more suitable

[30:12] for

[30:13] um some of our populations that need

[30:17] special accommodations

[30:19] and as I think I mentioned before also

[30:22] additional office spaces for admin and

[30:25] counseling.

[30:28] Garland is approximately

[30:31] 73,000

[30:33] square feet, I think. So, it's about

[30:35] 10,000 square feet bigger. And back to

[30:38] Discovery,

[30:40] that addition is 28,000 square ft. The

[30:44] current building is 53,000 ft. So, it's

[30:47] going to put Discovery square footage

[30:49] somewhere between

[30:52] the um Garland North

[30:57] about 85,000.

[30:59] >> Where's our math teachers?

[31:03] » Somewhere around 80,000.

[31:21] the middle core or the middle common

[31:24] areas that they use for

[31:26] support staff that is not counted as a

[31:29] classroom.

[31:30] >> So in these 34 classrooms there's also

[31:33] support space uh there's conference room

[31:36] space there's instructional training

[31:38] space. So, we're just talking about

[31:40] actual student instructional spaces in

[31:43] that 34 number.

[31:45] >> Um, one of the things too I just want to

[31:47] point out with Golden Spike versus

[31:48] Tmont. Golden Spike will have more

[31:51] seating for students in the cafeteria.

[31:53] We'll have more gym seating. So, Golden

[31:55] Spike is 259 students per cafeteria.

[31:58] Tmont is 281. The dining or the gym is

[32:02] 490 seats at Golden Spike, but at Tmont

[32:05] it will be 624. And then the medium shel

[32:08] is bigger because we just realized that doesn't work for the number of

[32:13] students. So those common areas are

[32:16] going to be bigger to accommodate the

[32:18] size of the school.

[32:21] And if you've been in Golden Spike

[32:23] Elementary

[32:25] and you've been in the Garland Fielding

[32:28] through Mount Creek Design,

[32:31] this West Tmont Elementary really is a

[32:34] blend of those two as far as the

[32:37] classroom wings are, how they function,

[32:39] and where the gym cafeteria

[32:43] is kind of connected. It's kind of a

[32:46] blend of those two designs.

[32:50] Other questions on West Trmont on the

[32:53] building design timeline, anything like

[32:55] that?

[32:58] Okay,

[33:04] let's talk about the the construction

[33:06] loan here. So, we have three uh banks

[33:10] that are helping us out here and we have

[33:12] three because we need separation of

[33:13] duties.

[33:15] So, Zans is our municipal adviser. Uh we

[33:18] have a contract with them for them to

[33:19] advise us on these types of scenarios,

[33:22] borrowings, uh loans, financing. uh they

[33:26] provide the financing detail every year

[33:29] for our loans. They're actually the

[33:32] trustee on our loan for Golden Spike and

[33:35] also our uh general obligation loan as

[33:38] well because they are advisor. They

[33:41] can't be that's new in the past two

[33:43] years. We signed a contract with them.

[33:45] So when they loaned us funds for Golden

[33:48] Spike, they are not our adviser. So they

[33:50] cannot issue us a loan because that'll

[33:52] be a conflict of interest as an adviser.

[33:54] So they're advising us on this. Bank of

[33:58] America is our underwriter. In an

[34:00] advisory capacity, Zans um put out a

[34:03] solicitation

[34:05] to various underwriters, other banks for

[34:09] this project. Um there were three that

[34:11] responded. Um

[34:15] Bank of America gave us the best terms

[34:18] between the underwriting, the bond

[34:19] council fees, and we call the spread. So

[34:23] spread is the distance between the a the

[34:26] average market rates called MMD,

[34:29] municipal market data and that is

[34:32] calculated every day on every loan out

[34:34] on government debt. Uh mostly state and

[34:38] local government debt.

[34:40] And so their number of basis points they

[34:43] wanted to cover the cost of this loan.

[34:45] Underwriting legal fees was the lowest

[34:49] amongst the three people who responded,

[34:50] three banks who responded to this loan.

[34:52] So they are the winner on basis of a

[34:54] cost. The Zans Bank also analyzed uh

[34:59] past performance experience with um

[35:02] school financing uh deals in the past

[35:05] and determined that Bank of America in

[35:07] addition to the cost was the most

[35:09] experienced and provide us the best

[35:11] experience for securing this loan.

[35:14] uh US Bank will be our trustee

[35:17] because uh Zans can't be the trustee and

[35:20] when you borrow usually have a third

[35:21] party that's not the same party doing

[35:23] the lending as the trustee to receive

[35:24] the funds and distribute the funds. So

[35:27] they'll be our trustee on this deal

[35:33] uh the underwriting and the trustee

[35:34] part.

[35:37] >> Okay. So the underwriter

[35:41] » separation of duties, separation of

[35:44] conflict of interest.

[35:47] » Okay. So Z is our adviser.

[35:50] >> So they're like our I I'll compare us to

[35:53] a mortgage loan. They're our loan our

[35:55] mortgage officer. Now, when you go get a

[35:57] mortgage, you generally they have,

[36:00] unless you buy from a in-house bank like

[36:03] Wells Fargo, Right Mortgages, but you go

[36:06] to an independent mortgage officer, they

[36:07] get mortgages from various different um

[36:11] banks. And so, Bank of America is our

[36:14] mortgage officer. They're going to look

[36:16] at our financials. They're going to look

[36:17] at our credit rating. They're going to

[36:19] assess our creditworthiness. They're

[36:21] going to say, "Based on this, here's

[36:22] your risk and here's what we can get you

[36:24] in the market." So they're going to

[36:25] guarantee us a certain amount of yield

[36:29] or proceeds from this loan.

[36:32] If and so that's that's where they're

[36:35] coming from. US Bank is a trustee. So

[36:38] back to mortgages,

[36:40] generally the person the bank that you

[36:42] borrow your mortgage from is not who you

[36:44] pay your mortgage to. The third party

[36:46] serer. So US Bank is the third party

[36:49] serer. They'll collect the funds and

[36:51] distribute the funds and ensure

[36:53] compliance with the loan requirements

[36:55] and also with any federal or state

[36:57] reporting requirements as well.

[36:59] Currently, Zans acts as the trustee for

[37:02] our golden spike loan and also for our

[37:05] general obligation bond loan.

[37:09] >> Which one?

[37:11] >> Bank of America.

[37:15] » And we chose them based on experience

[37:17] and on total cost.

[37:23] Yes, Stephanie.

[37:29] » Um, I just curious the 4.44%

[37:33] interest,

[37:34] >> correct?

[37:34] >> That's that's the rate we're getting for

[37:36] this loan.

[37:38] >> Well, this is quoted on April 1 or about

[37:40] April 1st.

[37:41] >> The quoted amount. How how does that

[37:43] compare to the loan that we could have

[37:46] had had it not been

[37:49] Great question.

[37:50] >> It's probably about the same because the

[37:53] middle of February is when that process

[37:55] stopped. We still had a series of

[37:58] meetings to hold legally before we could

[38:00] have went out for the loan. We would

[38:02] have been seeking the same that dollar

[38:04] amount at this same time right now.

[38:06] Probably probably in the month of May is

[38:08] when we would have sold bonds and we

[38:09] probably would have been at the same

[38:10] cost. So it it's not the interest rate

[38:13] that we would have had this time would

[38:15] not have any different because the time

[38:17] we started that process in December, we

[38:20] had zero idea there's going to be a war

[38:21] in the Middle East. And that's what's

[38:23] driving interest rates up right now is

[38:26] the war in the Middle East.

[38:33] » So we have these three banks. Yes.

[38:37] Involved banks. uh this right here this

[38:41] interest cost is total interest cost

[38:43] incurred. So what they they do in

[38:46] accounting terms they amateurize or

[38:48] spread off the the cost of issuing the

[38:50] this loan legal fees uh underwriting

[38:53] fees credit check fees

[38:56] across the whole loan term and so the

[38:58] fees are included in here. All three

[39:01] banks are included.

[39:04] >> Correct.

[39:08] » All three are included in the 4.4

[39:10] interest and in the 4.4 million annual

[39:13] payment.

[39:13] >> Correct.

[39:16] >> Is there a way to break them out so we

[39:19] know?

[39:19] >> Yes. I didn't display that here, but the

[39:21] total the cost of issuing this loan are

[39:24] about uh $170,000.

[39:28] legal costs, underwriting costs, credit

[39:30] check costs, cost of going to of of

[39:33] doing all the research. That's what

[39:35] those costs are. And those are spread

[39:37] across the life of the loan. We call

[39:38] them amortized costs. So, we issue a

[39:41] certain amount to each period of the

[39:43] loan in each year. So, they get their

[39:46] money up front, but we pay it back

[39:48] overtime.

[39:49] And that's the that's the requirement of

[39:51] the underwriter. The underwriter pays

[39:53] all those fees up front for us, and they

[39:54] get their money overtime back. Other

[39:59] questions on this process?

[40:03] >> So, how does this differ from what we

[40:06] were looking at?

[40:10] » Uh, it's not a bond and bond rates have

[40:14] better slightly better interest rates.

[40:15] It used to be between a general

[40:17] obligation bond and this type of loan,

[40:20] there would have been a half percentage

[40:22] point difference or 50 basis points.

[40:25] that is narrowed to 25 to 30. So the the incentive to seek a general

[40:31] obligation bond and all that process

[40:32] goes with it is kind of out the window

[40:35] because a lot more compliance costs and

[40:37] timeline to get this type get a general

[40:39] obligation loan. where this right here

[40:42] can be done much quicker and the

[40:44] additional cost for the risk the banks

[40:45] incur is much less because a general

[40:49] obligation is a guaranteed amount

[40:51] secured by property taxes earmarked only

[40:54] to repayment of that loan through the

[40:56] collection of property taxes

[40:58] underwriters and banks see that as the

[41:00] most secure form of government debt

[41:03] because earmark for that and can only be

[41:05] used for that purpose. This is being

[41:08] funded by general property tax receipts.

[41:11] There's not a specific area earmark for

[41:13] that. So they view that as more risky.

[41:16] Essentially, if we wanted to, we could

[41:18] not pay this back and keep our money.

[41:21] And so that's why they have a higher

[41:23] interest rate to account for that risk.

[41:26] It's kind of like getting a home equity

[41:27] loan versus a first mortgage. Your first

[41:31] mortgage is always first repayment and

[41:33] has a lower interest rate than a home

[41:34] equity loan.

[41:39] So the general obligation fund is that

[41:41] the same as the lease revenue fund? No.

[41:44] So how is this different from the least

[41:46] revenue fund?

[41:48] >> Uh this is a direct lending product to

[41:50] us. Uh doesn't go through the lease

[41:51] revenue process. It doesn't have the

[41:54] same resolutions. It's not a separate

[41:56] legal entity. In this case, the building

[41:58] authority for lease revenue bond that

[42:00] takes it out. So this is a a direct loan

[42:02] product.

[42:03] So really the difference in the is in

[42:06] the legal details of how it's secured

[42:08] and what is allowed

[42:18] as far as how it affects us. There's not

[42:21] much difference. I mean there might be a

[42:24] talking basis points. So each basis

[42:25] point is 01%.

[42:28] So there might be five to seven basis

[42:30] points difference between this and a

[42:32] lease revenue bond. Again, a lease

[42:34] revenue bond doesn't have a dedicated

[42:35] funding stream because it's not

[42:37] generally not voted and approved by the

[42:39] taxpayers for a separate myab on your

[42:40] taxes. It's funded out of existing tax

[42:43] receipts.

[42:46] » So with this route, who actually owns

[42:49] the buildings? It will there will be we

[42:53] essentially it will be like a lease

[42:54] revenue where there's a entitlement to

[42:58] the underwriter Bank of America that we

[43:02] lease back from them till the loans paid

[43:04] off. It's the same thing with Golden

[43:05] Spike. Golden Spike is a is a ground

[43:07] lease from Zans and that the we make

[43:11] lease payments to Zans. They hold title

[43:13] to it. No different than when you buy a

[43:16] car dealership with a loan. the

[43:18] dealership has a lean on that title. You

[43:20] can't sell that that car until your lean

[43:23] or your loan is satisfied. So, this is

[43:26] no different that we already operate.

[43:29] >> How many buildings the past 10 years

[43:33] have built using this finance option?

[43:36] >> Um,

[43:38] Golden Spike and

[43:42] >> Fielding are the two ones that I'm that

[43:44] I know right now that we have

[43:46] outstanding. Those are two outstanding

[43:48] debt right now. So, general obligation

[43:50] bond, which is we used to expand high

[43:52] schools back in 2008, is one of our

[43:54] loans, and that was a 30-year loan. Um,

[43:56] Fielding was also, I think, a 20-year

[43:58] loan. We're going to pay that off this

[43:59] year. Last payment is this year. And

[44:01] then Golden Spike as well.

[44:04] >> Like, elementary, Sunrise High School,

[44:08] >> those were all fun with existing build

[44:09] uh capital reserves.

[44:11] >> The difference between that is the cost

[44:13] of building was much less than it is

[44:15] today. Other

[44:19] questions?

[44:23] » Um, I guess my question is this.

[44:27] When we

[44:29] um received a petition um of 8,000

[44:32] people asking us not to go out and do

[44:36] this kind of a loan.

[44:38] To me it looks like that this is

[44:42] the same kind of kind of a finance

[44:44] vehicle kind of like a horse of a

[44:47] different color. So what are we

[44:49] interpreting that the people ask us with

[44:52] that petition?

[44:55] >> I would say from my perspective as the

[44:58] business administrator and financial

[45:00] adviser of the board if you will the

[45:02] difference here is the amount and the

[45:05] projects.

[45:06] Um leader I would say the district

[45:09] leadership feels that these elementary

[45:11] projects are a must need now given the

[45:14] growth we've seen from our demographer

[45:16] that's forecasted given the building uh

[45:19] developments we know are coming and

[45:21] given the overcrowding we have in our

[45:23] current buildings right now don't feel

[45:25] like we are at a luxury of waiting an

[45:29] additional 18 months or more to secure

[45:31] financing by putting on the ballot begin

[45:33] construction we feel this is a need that

[45:35] we must address now, not in 18 months.

[45:40] So that's I say that's the rationale for

[45:41] proposing this and going forward with

[45:44] this.

[45:45] >> I see that the rationale and and I'm not

[45:47] saying I disagree. I'm asking

[45:49] specifically the financing vehicle part

[45:52] of it.

[45:55] Oh, it looks like we're we're going out

[45:59] to get financing, which I think the

[46:01] petition was asking us not to encumber

[46:04] the residents with that kind of a

[46:06] long-term debt.

[46:08] We're going out with another horse of a

[46:11] different color to encumber the

[46:13] residents. Again, we're not encumbering

[46:16] the residents for any additional funds

[46:19] that aren't already secured by local

[46:20] property taxes. This is within our local

[46:22] property tax budget. I understand that

[46:24] there's a public uh opposition to our

[46:27] financing. I feel that we have that what

[46:30] we were seeking before actually not have

[46:32] almost a third 55 million versus 140

[46:35] million and red restricted it to

[46:37] elementary projects only which has been

[46:39] a concern of the residents that has

[46:43] expressed to us through the different

[46:45] surveys we did and community feedback.

[46:48] So yes, it's a different financing

[46:50] different different color, but it's it's

[46:52] done to address the needs we have right

[46:55] now.

[46:57] So, would it be possible to um again go

[47:02] back to the residents and ask them in a

[47:09] voted question, I guess, if they would

[47:12] support these projects and do it with a

[47:16] general obligation bond, which puts the

[47:19] power back in the residents rather than

[47:22] us going forward with these. I'm not

[47:24] saying that the projects aren't needed.

[47:26] My question is only the funding

[47:28] mechanism.

[47:29] Um I I just feel like that although we

[47:34] feel that they're needed, um

[47:38] we are I think legally required to

[47:42] represent the residents and I think

[47:46] they've told us in a couple of different

[47:48] ways that they don't want this kind of

[47:50] obligation. So I'm just wondering if we

[47:52] might be

[47:54] stepping over a line that we are

[47:56] supposed to represent them first.

[47:59] >> So I will answer it in a few different

[48:00] ways. First of all,

[48:02] >> the first question is could we go to a

[48:06] voted question on these projects and

[48:08] this amount and a and a geo bond

[48:13] government bond is possible by the vote

[48:15] of the board in by August to approve a

[48:19] ballot question for the financing of

[48:21] these projects. That is an option the

[48:23] board has. By doing so, the soonest that

[48:26] we would have the go-ahad from the

[48:29] voters would be in November. And then

[48:32] we' go through that process again if

[48:34] it's through a lease revenue process to

[48:39] start the resolutions again. We have our

[48:41] we really have like close to 90 days of

[48:43] legal requirements to be able to start

[48:46] that lease revenue bond process again.

[48:48] So that puts us into February before we

[48:51] can even go out for the loan and go

[48:53] through the underwriting process. We

[48:55] probably wouldn't have funds until this

[48:57] time next year going through that

[48:59] process.

[49:02] » General obligation bond will be an

[49:04] additional not

[49:08] >> Yeah, that's what I wanted to say was

[49:09] you said general obligation bond. So, in

[49:12] order to pay for that, it would have to

[49:14] be an additional tax

[49:17] um a lease revenue bond, which was um

[49:22] which failed or you know, they had the

[49:23] signature stop that. And so, anyway,

[49:28] >> yeah, I'm sorry. I should have said in

[49:29] that formula that we could roll back the

[49:32] taxes, roll back the taxes.

[49:36] You know, we've heard you a couple of

[49:37] different times that this isn't what you

[49:40] wanted. We feel like that this is what

[49:43] we've heard that you do want because you

[49:45] mentioned the surveys as

[49:48] this something that you would support

[49:50] financially. This is what we think that

[49:52] we heard you different but this is would

[49:56] you support a geo bond financial

[49:58] mechanism? So in addition to what I just

[50:02] go ahead

[50:06] » I think everybody understands that yes

[50:09] that could happen that that question of

[50:12] course it could it would just it would

[50:13] take the board to vote to do that right.

[50:17] So if it was a clarifying I mean we all

[50:19] know that of course that is an option

[50:22] but it would take the board to vote to

[50:23] do that.

[50:26] >> I might just go I I might add a couple

[50:28] things. So when we start talking about

[50:31] and I agree if we want to do a a survey

[50:34] about that question certainly if the

[50:36] board wants to do that uh I think one

[50:39] thing that we need to note is that you

[50:43] know there's a lot of things from the uh

[50:46] 2024 bond that changed. Uh there's a lot

[50:50] of things that based on that feedback we

[50:54] changed for the lease revenue bond

[50:57] option and what we're hearing and I hope

[50:59] that as you saw the presentation we're

[51:02] investing in Lake View North Park

[51:07] Middle.

[51:09] We have to extend the life of these

[51:11] buildings. You can also see the grades 6

[51:14] through 8 92 is off the table. Now

[51:19] whether it ever goes back on the table,

[51:20] I do believe that that would be a vote

[51:22] of the people through a survey to say,

[51:25] is that something you want to pursue?

[51:28] But the immediate need uh as we're all

[51:32] hearing and as you look at the

[51:34] elementary

[51:36] uh portables that keep coming

[51:39] um there is a need there and all other

[51:43] things have been put to the to the

[51:47] wayside for now and whenever that

[51:50] happens whenever there's an appetite I

[51:52] think we look at that but having a

[51:56] secure vestable at our three largest

[51:58] schools is a priority. Uh having AC in

[52:02] Bear River Middle a priority. Some may

[52:04] say, well, why are you putting AC in a

[52:05] building? Well, because right now

[52:08] there's not a mechanism

[52:10] to secure a loan. But to Karen's point,

[52:14] if there needed to be a situation where

[52:16] we said, you know, we're going to roll

[52:19] back and we're going to go for a

[52:21] geobond, are you okay with, you know,

[52:25] these two projects that influence

[52:28] roughly a population of 600 students and

[52:33] 800 students? Um, so not a significant

[52:36] amount of our students are going to be

[52:38] affected by these two projects. if we go

[52:42] out to a general obligation bond. So,

[52:44] that would be interesting to see if the

[52:47] people would vote for that if it didn't

[52:49] affect Bear River Middle, Boxiller

[52:52] Middle, Lake View, uh, North Park. So,

[52:55] those are just some thoughts, but I hope

[52:57] that if anybody's watching or listening

[53:00] that you hear that the plans that we've

[53:02] had have changed.

[53:05] It's very significant that they have

[53:07] changed. They're not the same. we've

[53:09] pulled back and I think that means we

[53:11] have listened. We have listened and if

[53:15] the people don't want us to go forward

[53:18] uh with any of these projects, I guess

[53:21] that's something we'll have to deal with

[53:24] as well. So, that could be the question

[53:26] uh that you might ask. So, anyway, that

[53:29] was just a a thought. Um, but I hope

[53:32] that we do know that we're not going to

[53:34] put the initiative on the ballot for a

[53:37] lease revenue bond in November based on

[53:40] the signatures that were gathered.

[53:43] That's not going to happen. At least I I

[53:45] got zero sense from the board that that

[53:47] would be something where we're headed.

[53:48] So, those are just some insights and

[53:51] thoughts, but I would love to hear the

[53:53] rest. Um, I guess my thoughts on this

[53:56] are

[53:59] I'm hearing from my constituents now I

[54:02] know that we all represent different

[54:03] people that they are actually in support

[54:06] of the school district building these

[54:08] buildings and moving forward and

[54:10] understand the financing is necessary

[54:13] and realize that we do not have

[54:17] a year to 18 months to put this off. And

[54:19] I think that um

[54:22] I think the longer we hold off, the more

[54:24] it's going to cost us and the greater

[54:26] the needs are going to be. And just with

[54:29] this lake view situation, it's become

[54:30] really more apparent to me because when

[54:34] you have a school with the sewer and the

[54:36] restrooms and it was an inconvenience

[54:38] for most students and they could

[54:40] survive, but there were some that was

[54:42] actually uh inhibited their learning in

[54:46] a very significant way. And if we say we

[54:49] are here to educate all students and we

[54:51] do not provide facilities that are

[54:53] appropriate for those students to be

[54:54] educated in, then we are not doing our

[54:56] jobs. And if that's going to cost us

[54:58] some money and I think we're with this

[55:01] plan, we've shown we're putting sewer.

[55:04] We we realize we don't have the money to

[55:06] build all the buildings that we need.

[55:08] It's just a fact. But if we can use the

[55:10] buildings that we have and make them

[55:12] more usable for longer and prevent some

[55:14] of those issues, then we are serving the

[55:16] needs of all of our students and not

[55:18] just

[55:20] and even if it's only 2% of the students

[55:23] that we're not serving because of these

[55:25] needs, that's 2% of our students. And

[55:28] there are and I would argue it's far

[55:30] more than that because of the we don't

[55:32] know the situations or the circumstances

[55:34] that every child is coming from. And so

[55:37] we have to have safe schools as we're

[55:39] those secure best schools. We need to

[55:42] have functional schools and if we have

[55:44] to put in money and if and air

[55:46] conditioning has been a a big push and

[55:50] people that I've talked to are like my

[55:51] kids their elementary like we why don't

[55:53] we have uh air conditioning in Lake View

[55:56] and you know because in the past we're

[55:57] like well we're going to replace Lake

[55:58] View. Do we want to put that much money

[55:59] into it? Well we're at the point where

[56:01] yeah we're going to have to keep using

[56:02] Lake View. So, we've got to put money

[56:03] into those things. But the from what I'm

[56:06] seeing from cities and the growth that

[56:09] we're experiencing or potentially

[56:11] experiencing, we have got to be prepared

[56:13] and do everything we can to make our

[56:15] buildings last longer and then do what

[56:18] we can now and not put it off

[56:21] until later. And so, I know that they

[56:23] gathered signatures. I know there are

[56:24] people that are very adamantly opposed

[56:27] to our plans. the from the people that

[56:29] I've talked to, they are actually

[56:32] supportive of moving forward and they

[56:34] want us to do something. They want us to

[56:36] invest in our schools and our

[56:37] infrastructure.

[56:50] » Again, I'm not opposed to projects. I'm

[56:53] just wondering with I think the way that

[56:56] the that we're legally supposed to move

[56:58] forward is based off of the we're

[57:01] supposed to represent the repres the

[57:04] residents. So I'm just wondering have we

[57:06] looked at other funding mechanisms? Have

[57:08] we looked at any grants or other options

[57:12] for getting money?

[57:14] >> Um

[57:15] >> there are no grants available to build

[57:17] schools,

[57:21] » you know. Um,

[57:24] Julie was saying that the people she's

[57:27] listening to want it and I some of the

[57:29] people I've heard want the elementary

[57:31] schools. That's why I think that they

[57:33] would actually pass a bond. Um, but I

[57:38] think that we've got to go back and and Keith mentioned, you know, we've

[57:43] heard that from the the bond that didn't

[57:45] pass the people didn't want that. We've

[57:47] heard from the signatures they didn't

[57:49] want that. What mechanism do the people

[57:52] have to tell us they don't want this?

[57:54] How do we how do we know that we're

[57:56] doing what we're supposed to legally do

[58:00] and that's represent residents because I

[58:03] don't know that they have a mechanism to

[58:04] come back and tell us don't want this.

[58:07] >> I want to say one thing here. What we're

[58:10] doing is legal. We've run it through our

[58:12] bond council at Chapman and Cutler.

[58:14] They've done the research. We are

[58:16] allowed to do this. School districts

[58:18] have needs they have to address on a

[58:19] regular basis. I'll give you an example.

[58:22] Earthquake in 2020 in Magna damaged a

[58:25] school in Grant School District they

[58:27] were unable to inhabit. They would not

[58:29] have been able to fix that school for

[58:31] the following school year if they were

[58:33] not allowed to get a loan right then and

[58:35] there. That was an immediate need they

[58:37] had. They could not have the luxury of

[58:40] going out to the voters in a bond

[58:43] election to ask for the permission to

[58:46] get a loan. They had to address it then

[58:48] because they had a a school that would

[58:49] not be functional for a significant

[58:51] amount of time if they did not.

[58:54] >> Yes. I just would add

[58:58] I just I in the tree mountain end I just

[59:01] see

[59:03] how crowded they are and we also serve

[59:06] these kids to make sure that they have a

[59:08] good place to learn which I I mean we

[59:13] talk about the portables how they're

[59:15] nice because they have the air

[59:16] conditioning but we're also running down

[59:18] our buildings that we have currently

[59:20] because they're being over

[59:23] overused a good I don't know. But the

[59:25] restrooms and just putting that added

[59:28] pressure onto those buildings that

[59:32] I just I see

[59:35] that putting it out to

[59:38] um the uh ballot would be really uh

[59:43] what's the word like they supportive. Um

[59:47] somebody like said that they want that

[59:50] validating. can't be very validating for

[59:52] the community to be able to say yes to,

[59:54] but in the back of my mind, well, what

[59:57] happens if they say no? And then what

[1:00:01] about all these kids that are also now

[1:00:03] moving in? And and as we continue to

[1:00:05] grow, like I just feel like we're doing

[1:00:06] such a disservice

[1:00:08] to the students that are there that this

[1:00:10] is impacting a lot. Um, you know, the

[1:00:12] new school comes in, Garland students

[1:00:15] that are going to fielding can now come

[1:00:17] back to Garland. Kids that are getting

[1:00:19] bus from Thatcher can now go to the

[1:00:21] closer school and now Garland kids can

[1:00:23] go to Garland and McKinley can fit in

[1:00:25] their school. It just doesn't seem like

[1:00:27] this is a a a want. It really does seem

[1:00:32] like a need and I just think we have an

[1:00:36] obligation to these students to um make

[1:00:40] decisions that are in our purview to

[1:00:44] make sure that that happens. I don't

[1:00:46] know.

[1:00:48] >> That's I guess how I feel. I would add

[1:00:50] that we did a democratic study. The

[1:00:52] study came back and said over the next 5

[1:00:54] years over 5,000 households are planned

[1:00:58] in new construction

[1:01:00] for our county. So if we were to go to

[1:01:04] the voters and wait till next year start

[1:01:05] this process, this new school probably

[1:01:08] would be functional, have students in it

[1:01:11] for 3 years. We're in the middle of a

[1:01:13] thick and grow cycle in 3 years. I feel

[1:01:17] like that if we wait that time, we're

[1:01:20] going to have 15 more portables in the

[1:01:23] north end than we have right now.

[1:01:26] One consideration in our calculus to put

[1:01:29] this plan forward.

[1:01:34] » Um, if I remember right, the uh

[1:01:38] the survey that came back from the

[1:01:43] what's the paper again? demographer

[1:01:46] >> demographer I think we are up 190

[1:01:49] students in five years which if you

[1:01:52] spread that out it's like one student

[1:01:54] per classroom so we do have growth but I

[1:01:57] don't know that it's overwhelming growth

[1:01:59] per the demographer not the per the

[1:02:01] demographer so the other thing I'm um

[1:02:05] again stressing is that I I don't know

[1:02:09] that anybody would say that these

[1:02:11] projects don't need to be done just

[1:02:13] saying that the financing mechanism

[1:02:16] looks a lot like we're just trying to go

[1:02:19] around, but they us not to. I don't know

[1:02:22] if that's crossing any lines that maybe

[1:02:25] we wanted to consider. Um, I've had a

[1:02:28] lot of phone calls since the newspaper

[1:02:31] article came out a couple weeks ago. I

[1:02:33] don't take the newspaper, but I've had a

[1:02:35] lot of phone calls saying that in an

[1:02:37] interview with Keith um that he

[1:02:40] acknowledged that we need to build

[1:02:42] trust. Like again, I haven't read the

[1:02:44] article, just what people have been

[1:02:46] telling me. So, if we want to do that,

[1:02:50] I'm just wondering, is this the best way

[1:02:52] to do that or is it it might be better

[1:02:55] in the long run to build trust for

[1:02:58] future projects to go back and get their

[1:03:01] um input and help them to feel like that

[1:03:04] they're a vested part of this.

[1:03:07] >> I would say that's um a board discussion

[1:03:10] item. Us as leadership are putting forth

[1:03:12] a plan that we think addresses our needs

[1:03:14] educationally. we feel this is the best

[1:03:16] way to address them in the near term.

[1:03:20] >> So speaking to that Karen because I

[1:03:21] thought about that a lot. I thought are

[1:03:22] we going against the will of the voters?

[1:03:24] Is this number one it's not illegal. I

[1:03:26] don't think we are doing anything that's

[1:03:28] out of line out of step in any way shape

[1:03:30] or form. I think what we have is an

[1:03:32] obligation to to our students and to our

[1:03:35] residents and to go forward in the best

[1:03:37] way we can. So I don't think it's a

[1:03:39] legal matter at all. But secondly,

[1:03:43] one of the things that I consider as a

[1:03:45] board member is I am a representative of

[1:03:48] the people, but that doesn't mean I

[1:03:51] listen to the loudest or that I I have

[1:03:54] to, you know, like there they did gather

[1:03:56] signatures, but that was still not the

[1:03:59] full percentage of the county. We know

[1:04:00] the bond failed at a significant rate.

[1:04:02] Yes. So, we went and reworked it. But as

[1:04:04] a representative,

[1:04:06] I feel like they're putting trust in us

[1:04:08] to look at the data, look at the

[1:04:10] solutions, look at what we need to do,

[1:04:12] and make the best decision possible. I

[1:04:14] see Tom's here, Tom Peterson. He's my

[1:04:16] representative in the state legislature,

[1:04:19] and I don't necessarily

[1:04:21] know all the decisions that they make

[1:04:23] and what they're doing, but I know he's

[1:04:25] representing a large group of people and

[1:04:27] he has to, but I also trust that he's

[1:04:30] doing his homework. like when he goes to

[1:04:32] vote on something, he's looked at it and

[1:04:33] said, "Is this what is best for the

[1:04:35] majority of the people for the purpose

[1:04:37] that it is?" And I think that's our role

[1:04:39] as board members. I don't think our role

[1:04:40] is to go out and take a poll every time

[1:04:42] somebody we're going to do something and

[1:04:44] say, "Are you okay with spending this

[1:04:45] money this way? Are you okay with us

[1:04:47] spending money that way?" I think ours

[1:04:49] we take the feedback and they say, "Yes,

[1:04:50] we support these projects and we say,

[1:04:52] okay, this is how we have ability to do

[1:04:55] that." And then we move forward in that

[1:04:56] way. And so one of the things that I

[1:04:59] think that when we talk to the public

[1:05:00] about this, I think we need to be really

[1:05:02] clear that it's not that we're not

[1:05:04] listening to you, it's that we are

[1:05:06] trying to do what you want us to because

[1:05:08] I've heard people say we want the

[1:05:09] elementarymentaries, we want those

[1:05:11] things, but hold off until we approve it

[1:05:13] in a certain way. And I just think

[1:05:15] that's actually costing us more money

[1:05:17] and actually

[1:05:20] depleting trust with the rest of the

[1:05:22] community that the people that, like I

[1:05:24] said, the people that I've talked to,

[1:05:25] they're just like, "My kids are

[1:05:26] suffering. How come my

[1:05:29] for example like Golden Spike new school

[1:05:31] and they had something there and they

[1:05:33] had like different dance team like I

[1:05:34] think it was literacy night and they had

[1:05:37] different dance companies or different

[1:05:39] performance groups come and perform and

[1:05:41] her kids go to Lake View and they went

[1:05:43] and performed there. just like

[1:05:46] how is that fair that my kids have to go

[1:05:48] to this school without even enough

[1:05:50] bathrooms and then other kids have to go

[1:05:52] here and at the same thing how come my

[1:05:54] kids are all crowded into this space

[1:05:56] where this school has plenty of of space

[1:05:58] and room available and we're trying and

[1:06:01] I think we have to consider the whole we

[1:06:03] need the space we're trying to make

[1:06:06] things right for us and obviously we

[1:06:09] have older buildings and we can't just

[1:06:10] build everything new but I think the

[1:06:12] public is asking us to do what is best

[1:06:15] with the money that we have in the way

[1:06:17] the best we can. And this is our this is

[1:06:19] our option. We don't have a huge

[1:06:21] business coming in. In fact, any

[1:06:22] business that does come in, we don't get

[1:06:24] the taxes for a long time. You know, we

[1:06:27] don't have we have a different

[1:06:28] demographic. We know that. But we are a

[1:06:31] community and we are trying to do what's

[1:06:33] right as a community to benefit

[1:06:37] our students and our community in the

[1:06:40] best way we know how. And so when I look

[1:06:42] at it this way, I don't think we're

[1:06:44] going behind anybody's backs. We're

[1:06:45] being very open and saying we need this

[1:06:48] done. This is the option we have and we

[1:06:50] need to move forward because any weight

[1:06:52] is actually costing us more. And I was

[1:06:56] sending I don't know if they pass it

[1:06:58] with just that particular thing on the

[1:06:59] bond because it's only affecting small

[1:07:01] groups of people and and maybe the Lake

[1:07:04] View parents are like, well, I'm getting

[1:07:06] nothing out of this. like they could be

[1:07:08] upset and and so I don't know I said too

[1:07:13] much but that's what I'm thinking.

[1:07:15] >> I guess that's where my my biggest

[1:07:17] question lately has been is like if

[1:07:19] we're going to take everything to the

[1:07:20] ballot then what am I doing here? Like

[1:07:22] why am I sitting why am I doing all this

[1:07:24] homework to figure out if this is a good

[1:07:25] idea if we should just put it on the

[1:07:28] ballot? I I guess that's just been my I

[1:07:32] don't understand.

[1:07:37] So just the political culture, the

[1:07:41] climate that we've been in for the past

[1:07:44] years, I just think over and over again

[1:07:47] that we live in a representative

[1:07:50] republic, not

[1:07:53] people vote for representatives, not

[1:07:56] only

[1:07:57] we don't go by popular opinion. We don't run by

[1:08:02] we don't sway and make decisions based

[1:08:05] on popularity in the moment. We we study

[1:08:08] things out and we we are elected to

[1:08:10] choose to do what is best. I think we

[1:08:13] say we've said this a lot but this board

[1:08:15] has said we want to get the biggest bang

[1:08:17] for the buck. We're trying to spread out

[1:08:20] the funds that we have that we receive

[1:08:24] in the best way possible to affect the

[1:08:26] most students possible. and teachers and

[1:08:32] that just keeps coming back to me. Um to

[1:08:34] run a poll and to run

[1:08:38] a questionnaire whatever every single

[1:08:40] for all these decisions

[1:08:43] isn't what our

[1:08:46] that's not how our government runs. I

[1:08:49] have just I have not had someone talk to

[1:08:52] me and say I want you to give my taxes

[1:08:54] back. I have had a lot of people say to

[1:08:57] me, "What are you going to do with it?

[1:09:00] You've got it. What are you going to do

[1:09:01] with it?" And some of those names were

[1:09:04] on the petition. I'm just And I've also

[1:09:08] had people say, "I signed that petition

[1:09:10] because they told me you were raising my

[1:09:12] taxes again." So, the petition bears

[1:09:15] weight with me. It's important. I

[1:09:17] listen. I'm listening. I but there were

[1:09:21] people on that that signed that petition

[1:09:23] for all different reasons. Not just

[1:09:25] saying I think I would dare say that

[1:09:28] it's the vast minority that signed that

[1:09:30] petition to say we don't like the

[1:09:32] funding mechanism you're using. I know

[1:09:34] some did. I know some did. But people

[1:09:37] signed that petition for all different

[1:09:39] reasons. For spite a huge amount for

[1:09:43] spite because they were angry about

[1:09:44] their taxes. that what I'm hearing now,

[1:09:47] even from that email that I forwarded to I think all of you from the the Tree

[1:09:52] Mountain groups that represent four

[1:09:54] quarters of Tree Mountain, they don't

[1:09:56] want to know if they're getting their

[1:09:57] taxes back. They want to know, are you

[1:09:59] looking for growth? What are you doing

[1:10:01] with our money now that you've got it?

[1:10:02] What is your plan? And so, personally,

[1:10:06] I'm not willing, and this isn't a vote.

[1:10:08] We're not taking a vote tonight. This is

[1:10:10] a discussion. I'm not willing to say

[1:10:12] let's give the taxes back because it

[1:10:15] wastes time. It wastes money and we have

[1:10:17] we're rethinking and we're reusing and I

[1:10:20] think we're trying to use this money

[1:10:23] to get the biggest bang for our buck for

[1:10:24] the most people. So

[1:10:28] that's

[1:10:32] um I'm not suggesting that we take a

[1:10:34] poll on everything. Um, I think that 95%

[1:10:38] probably 98% of our decisions we make

[1:10:41] and we do the best we can to represent

[1:10:43] the people. Um, I'm just saying that

[1:10:46] we've had this

[1:10:49] kind of a question with the bond with

[1:10:52] the petition on this question. I think

[1:10:55] that it might be worth going back to the

[1:10:58] people on that. I'm not saying that the

[1:11:00] projects aren't good projects. I'm just

[1:11:02] saying that I think that the people have

[1:11:04] kind of said, "Okay, on this one we want

[1:11:06] to be able to have some input." That's all I'm saying. Um I know that um

[1:11:14] we've heard that some people are getting

[1:11:16] phone calls saying that they support

[1:11:18] this and like I said, I've had some that

[1:11:20] say, "I would definitely support

[1:11:21] elementary schools and you know, the

[1:11:23] security issues." So that's why I'm a

[1:11:26] believer that if we rolled back the

[1:11:29] taxes, give the public the opportunity

[1:11:32] to be invested in it, I think we have a

[1:11:35] very good public, I think that they

[1:11:37] would see that these are needs and I

[1:11:39] think that they would actually vote for

[1:11:40] that geo bond, which um I think would be

[1:11:43] the right way to do it. But just a side

[1:11:46] note, I have also had a member of my

[1:11:50] community come and tell me that their

[1:11:53] neighbor is now selling her blood twice

[1:11:55] a month, be able to pay for increased

[1:11:58] taxes. So, I don't know what everybody

[1:12:01] out there's doing, but I know that this

[1:12:03] is hurting some people. And so, I'm just

[1:12:05] wondering if there's a better way.

[1:12:13] » Thank you. Thank you for that.

[1:12:18] Danielle, did you have anything you want

[1:12:19] to add to any of this?

[1:12:22] All right. Is there any other

[1:12:24] discussion? Directors, do you have

[1:12:26] anything for us?

[1:12:29] Wisdom, director, superintendent, you'd

[1:12:32] like to share?

[1:12:34] >> Oh, yeah.

[1:12:36] >> No, I I think we've had this

[1:12:38] >> this discussion.

[1:12:39] >> Yeah, we've had it several times and I

[1:12:41] appreciate it. It's so important for us

[1:12:43] to really understand try to understand

[1:12:47] I appreciate this time. Does anyone feel

[1:12:49] like we need to keep

[1:12:52] >> here? Yeah, I'll hand

[1:12:56] » um I just wanted to say after I don't

[1:12:59] remember which meeting it was, but we

[1:13:00] did have a lot of the members that were

[1:13:02] really pushing the petition um and

[1:13:05] really advocating to get that signed. A

[1:13:08] member from the community up north that

[1:13:10] lives kind of by me. I don't know this

[1:13:11] individual very well, but after one of

[1:13:13] the board meetings where they came to

[1:13:15] listen about what we were doing, um this

[1:13:18] individual, she stopped and stayed at

[1:13:20] the end when the board went into close

[1:13:22] session and she spoke very strongly and

[1:13:25] adamantly about the fact that as she was

[1:13:28] gathering those votes, she felt like the

[1:13:30] people really wanted to see West

[1:13:32] Traymont and built that that that area

[1:13:34] really strongly feels that it needs

[1:13:36] done. And I I just wanted to speak

[1:13:38] because to that because as you said, I

[1:13:41] do think that a lot of people signed the

[1:13:43] petition for a lot of different reasons

[1:13:45] and we can't really speak to what that

[1:13:47] reason was, but I just thought it was

[1:13:49] worth noting that that individual who

[1:13:51] was listening to a lot of people and

[1:13:53] really pushing that petition felt like

[1:13:55] we really do need to move forward with

[1:13:57] Traymont. And I I've gone back and forth

[1:14:00] on this a lot. And I just don't know how

[1:14:03] to meet the needs of the students in

[1:14:05] elementary school without doing

[1:14:07] something. It's it's not fair what we're

[1:14:10] doing in our title one schools to those

[1:14:12] kids. And it is our three title one

[1:14:14] schools that are seeing the most amount

[1:14:15] of impact. They're the ones with less

[1:14:18] playground space. They're the schools

[1:14:20] with less flexible space in their

[1:14:23] classrooms. We we don't have those same

[1:14:26] problems at ThreeMile Creek. And it it's a big difference for those kids in

[1:14:32] our most impacted schools that that see

[1:14:34] the hardest things day in day out. And

[1:14:38] this has been a problem that we've had

[1:14:40] for four years since I've been in my

[1:14:43] position. A big fear about the building

[1:14:45] and construction that's going in in

[1:14:47] Tmont and how that's going to impact the

[1:14:49] schools. and we've been limping along

[1:14:51] for a really long time doing all that we

[1:14:54] can to make do and do without and

[1:14:56] support the kids. And I I do genuinely

[1:14:59] believe that the majority of the

[1:15:02] community does understand that something

[1:15:04] has to be done for elementary schools.

[1:15:06] And that's just what I wanted to add as

[1:15:08] the elementary assistant superintendent

[1:15:10] since that's what we're discussing.

[1:15:14] Ultimately all this information as we

[1:15:16] think about the different that are shown

[1:15:18] to us tonight ultimately so as we have

[1:15:22] action items

[1:15:24] to approve contract

[1:15:28] I know the help me here the construction

[1:15:33] what is the name of that construction

[1:15:35] management

[1:15:37] the action item on Wednesday right

[1:15:39] that's that's a vote so we just if you

[1:15:43] at that meeting decide no this is not

[1:15:45] the way I want to move forward then

[1:15:48] that's when you go right um and then we

[1:15:52] reate things

[1:15:53] >> can we propose a brief restroom break

[1:15:56] for a few minutes here before our next

[1:15:57] topic

[1:16:01] » 8:30

[1:16:03] reconvene that's that's good

[1:16:19] Oh no.

[1:23:34] I didn't get to ask what you thought

[1:23:36] about.

[1:23:39] » I should have asked

[1:23:42] >> the facilities.

[1:23:52] » Oh, before we go to facil

[1:23:53] >> Clay, would you join us up here?

[1:23:57] >> We're next to Cory. He doesn't bite.

[1:24:00] >> And Mr. Gilmore, I think you were up

[1:24:01] here, too.

[1:24:06] » Now, I just I want to clarify the

[1:24:08] facilities

[1:24:11] committee was shown this two months ago.

[1:24:15] >> About that. Yeah,

[1:24:16] >> about two months ago. Part of it. I

[1:24:17] don't even think all of it. And and this

[1:24:20] is just a way to There's a problem.

[1:24:24] >> Yes,

[1:24:24] >> there's a big problem.

[1:24:30] » Um, so we need a solution. This is one

[1:24:33] solution, correct?

[1:24:34] >> That's correct. It's a proposal from the

[1:24:37] facilities leadership of how we can fix

[1:24:39] some problems we see.

[1:24:40] >> All right. And this solution wasn't

[1:24:42] built by the facilities board members

[1:24:44] committee, right?

[1:24:45] >> Correct.

[1:24:46] >> But but we were shown it months ago.

[1:24:49] >> Yeah.

[1:24:55] » And I'll lean on Corey here to correct

[1:24:59] me on size if they're wrong. Is this the

[1:25:00] right size of Boxelder High?

[1:25:02] >> 51. I'm close.

[1:25:05] >> All right. This is the size of Boxelder

[1:25:07] High. As we can see by the text here,

[1:25:10] it's actually 51 acres.

[1:25:13] Look how spread out it is. We have the

[1:25:16] Let's see if this doesn't work here.

[1:25:20] Um, here we go. We have the NAT right

[1:25:23] here. We have the baseball and softball

[1:25:26] up here. Then we have the uh football

[1:25:29] field. We have the CT area, the main

[1:25:32] part of the building. Then we have

[1:25:34] parking back here, additional practice

[1:25:36] fields, uh down here at tennis courts.

[1:25:39] We're pretty well spread out.

[1:25:42] Now, when we get to Bear River,

[1:25:45] we're at 29 acres. Is that accurate,

[1:25:47] Cory?

[1:25:49] And

[1:25:51] see if this is going to work here. We

[1:25:53] have softball next to baseball. We don't

[1:25:56] have a lot of parking. And those sports

[1:25:58] happen in the same season. Here we have

[1:26:01] the track and lacrosse actually lacrosse

[1:26:04] happens in the springtime. All four of

[1:26:06] those sports happen the same time and

[1:26:07] sometimes we have home events for all

[1:26:09] four sports. There's not a lot of

[1:26:11] parking and space back here.

[1:26:13] We have a practice field up here that

[1:26:15] also doubles as a parking lot during

[1:26:17] spring for our different athletic

[1:26:19] events. Um seminary building we don't

[1:26:22] quite own yet, but we don't have parking

[1:26:24] up there. And then I go across the

[1:26:27] street. We have parking over here. And

[1:26:29] then we have the NAT over here and more

[1:26:31] parking. But what happens is, and we

[1:26:34] can't really see this on my picture

[1:26:35] here, I apologize. Along these roads up

[1:26:38] here on 14 north, students park on both

[1:26:41] sides of the roads because we have

[1:26:43] adequate parking. Down here in between

[1:26:47] the Bear Center and the CTE building and

[1:26:49] the main building, we have buses running

[1:26:51] back here to pick up students. We have

[1:26:53] buses running in front here to pick up

[1:26:56] students. And over here we have student

[1:26:59] parking over here that students cross

[1:27:01] right here and create a massive traffic

[1:27:03] jam on Main Street. Same thing up here.

[1:27:06] They cross over here. We have a parking

[1:27:09] problem. We have a space problem.

[1:27:12] >> Going to be built.

[1:27:14] >> Okay. Um I'll get to that.

[1:27:15] >> Okay. It's not anywhere there.

[1:27:17] >> Uh it it is it is. But I I think my

[1:27:19] visual better illustrates it. Well, our

[1:27:22] parking problem creates a student safety

[1:27:23] problem. Now to the north here, we own

[1:27:26] land across the street, but it's not

[1:27:28] really safe to have kids crossing that

[1:27:30] main road on a regular basis for

[1:27:32] parking. Um, it also requires

[1:27:35] significant

[1:27:36] um amount of construction to get it

[1:27:38] there.

[1:27:41] So, here's our bus loading zones behind.

[1:27:44] We load uh some special ed students, but

[1:27:47] we also load in front as well. And this

[1:27:49] is morning and afternoon that happens.

[1:27:52] There's about 35 buses that come to this

[1:27:54] area on a daily basis each morning, each

[1:27:56] afternoon. It's a lot of bus traffic and

[1:27:58] a lot of student traffic mixed with

[1:28:00] buses. A lot of traffic on Main Street

[1:28:02] that gets backed up for students

[1:28:03] crossing back and forth and buses. We

[1:28:07] really think that we need to alleviate

[1:28:08] this in some form or fashion.

[1:28:14] So, we went through a design phase as

[1:28:16] part of the RFP authorized about this

[1:28:18] time last year to redesign this campus

[1:28:21] to the intent was to allow 9th graders

[1:28:24] to come up with the high school. So,

[1:28:26] this is what the redesign looked like.

[1:28:29] Let's see if I can get this to work

[1:28:30] better here. So, proposal is to purchase

[1:28:34] a seminary building, which we are going

[1:28:36] to be doing, and we would extend have

[1:28:38] extended this building up through here.

[1:28:40] Now, that we're no longer building this.

[1:28:42] For the time being, this would area

[1:28:43] right here, the semary building become a

[1:28:45] parking lot next year in August of 27.

[1:28:48] Probably be available for us to

[1:28:49] construct a parking lot.

[1:28:51] Here's a new seminary building right

[1:28:52] here, right across the street. We traded

[1:28:54] land size for land size for them to have

[1:28:57] this building over here.

[1:29:00] And so we need to create a parking

[1:29:03] entrance right here for parking to come

[1:29:05] in the back side of the auditorium

[1:29:07] because Main Street is a UD do road. UD

[1:29:10] do will not authorize another curb cut

[1:29:12] to allow traffic in from this side over

[1:29:13] here. So, we're going to have to come in

[1:29:15] down through here to put parking in

[1:29:18] here.

[1:29:20] And then here's a potential moving of

[1:29:23] the base of the softball field because

[1:29:27] we want to create the practice field,

[1:29:29] make that a so a parking lot for

[1:29:31] students and for buses. buses would come

[1:29:34] in around the perimeter of the field of

[1:29:36] the of the parking lot, but line up for

[1:29:39] um students to board them. That removes

[1:29:41] them from behind here

[1:29:45] and in front of the school where we have

[1:29:47] lots of traffic already. And in the

[1:29:49] center would be student parking during

[1:29:51] school time and event parking for

[1:29:53] different events we have at the high

[1:29:55] school. Doing that, we need a practice

[1:29:58] space. So the softball field will become

[1:30:02] a practice field and then the softball

[1:30:04] field move over here. In doing so, that

[1:30:07] alleviates spring sports congestion back

[1:30:10] here and people trying to get out on

[1:30:12] Main Street from behind the school. It

[1:30:14] would be moved over here. They could

[1:30:16] park in an auditorium parking right here

[1:30:17] and exit out that way. They could park

[1:30:20] over here and exit this way or down Main

[1:30:22] Street easier and wouldn't create so

[1:30:24] much traffic behind the school during

[1:30:26] events.

[1:30:30] So this is what it looks like.

[1:30:32] Add parking remove and it also removes

[1:30:34] all the student parking from the roads.

[1:30:36] We wouldn't allow any student parking on

[1:30:38] the roads anymore. Creates a safety

[1:30:40] issue. The speed limit on that road up

[1:30:42] there 14 or north is pretty quick and we

[1:30:45] we'd hate to see an accident like that

[1:30:47] involving a vehicle. Either students

[1:30:49] backing out because they pull in or

[1:30:51] students trying to cross the road or get

[1:30:52] in their vehicle. It's just a a risk

[1:30:54] that we think we need to address um

[1:30:57] sooner than later.

[1:31:00] So, natory parking lot changes. Samurray

[1:31:03] is going to start construction this

[1:31:04] summer, probably August or September. Um

[1:31:07] and then we need to access drive the go

[1:31:09] here to the back parking lot and extend

[1:31:12] potential expanded parking lot on the

[1:31:13] new softball field if we choose to do

[1:31:15] that. But we do need to create this

[1:31:17] parking access drive uh this summer to

[1:31:21] bring in there. It can be it can be a

[1:31:22] temporary drive not be permanent but

[1:31:24] this is part of this plan to be allowed

[1:31:27] to gain access back off of 1400 north

[1:31:29] into the natoran parking

[1:31:33] >> yes

[1:31:33] >> this was the slide for that

[1:31:37] >> yes

[1:31:42] » north of the

[1:31:45] » any other questions so far

[1:31:49] >> what what are they right

[1:31:54] What are they using that area right

[1:31:56] there?

[1:31:59] » Right now that's a practice field or

[1:32:02] >> middle school.

[1:32:04] So

[1:32:13] » they have adequate PE space north of the

[1:32:16] building and even north of this there's

[1:32:18] still a fairly good chunk

[1:32:20] >> right that grass area is not used for

[1:32:22] medical middle school anything right now

[1:32:25] right

[1:32:26] >> rarely it's not needed for PE space

[1:32:34] uh practice field changes. So the

[1:32:36] current softball field will become the

[1:32:38] practice field next to tennis courts. Um

[1:32:42] eventually we would if we use the

[1:32:45] current design we've invested in for

[1:32:46] this high school. We would take down the

[1:32:48] CTE building

[1:32:51] uh right here and build a new space here

[1:32:54] and this will all become parking. And I

[1:32:56] forgot to mention we also have tennis

[1:32:58] back here. So tennis is another spring

[1:32:59] sport. So we have five spring sports

[1:33:02] potentially that are occurring on this

[1:33:04] 29 acres that most high schools have

[1:33:06] double the space.

[1:33:09] >> Neil about that CT

[1:33:13] >> that CT is that CT building and changes

[1:33:17] down the road

[1:33:18] >> down the way. Yes. Yeah. We're using

[1:33:21] existing design that we worked on for

[1:33:24] the expansion as a basis of how we can

[1:33:26] improve access and parking at the build

[1:33:29] at this campus.

[1:33:34] Uh those are those slides. Um this is a

[1:33:37] brief overview. If you go back to the

[1:33:39] remember the initial slides um we're

[1:33:42] proposing

[1:33:44] let me see I think it's four or

[1:33:48] um

[1:33:54] yeah I I don't want to misspeak uh $4

[1:33:56] million for improvements.

[1:34:00] >> Yes,

[1:34:02] that's just estimate from architects

[1:34:04] what it may cost. We don't have any

[1:34:06] bids. This isn't even designed yet. This

[1:34:07] is a rough stage one design of this

[1:34:10] campus. We haven't gone through

[1:34:11] engineering on this campus yet. And so

[1:34:13] the engineering and design work uh civil

[1:34:17] work has not been completed yet. We

[1:34:19] haven't even gone down that route yet.

[1:34:20] We haven't invested in that. But this is

[1:34:22] where we're at so far with the uh high

[1:34:24] school plans.

[1:34:27] >> Yes, Stephanie.

[1:34:29] >> Are you

[1:34:33] » Yeah, this is No, this is your time now.

[1:34:34] I'm done with the presentation about the

[1:34:36] but we can go back to the pictures.

[1:34:38] >> I I don't know if this is a you question

[1:34:40] or you question but we just approved

[1:34:42] doing the turf for

[1:34:45] the

[1:34:45] >> baseball We'll also be doing it we'll

[1:34:48] be doing it for the softball as well. So

[1:34:51] this is a really good time to make that

[1:34:52] decision so that we're not undoing what

[1:34:55] we just do. So making that plan

[1:34:59] and so that would does does the money

[1:35:01] that we approved is that part of the 4

[1:35:03] million or is that

[1:35:04] >> no money? So that we approved a

[1:35:07] receiving a donation for the purposes of

[1:35:11] re of renovating the baseball field. We

[1:35:14] haven't approved that project yet.

[1:35:18] » Yes.

[1:35:21] >> The match funds are not included in

[1:35:23] this. No, it actually if we include the

[1:35:26] match funds that would be a $3.5

[1:35:28] million, but that match is not part of

[1:35:30] the budget that we're doing right now.

[1:35:36] » As we've looked through these options

[1:35:39] and I've talked with Neil, we want to be

[1:35:42] clear that

[1:35:44] the issues we are trying to solve are

[1:35:48] traffic, parking, and busing.

[1:35:51] And in the process of this and doing the shuffling of things around to make a

[1:35:58] better setup, there are some benefits

[1:36:01] that extracurricular activities will

[1:36:04] gain, but they are not the reason that

[1:36:06] this is happening.

[1:36:10] It is a crazy cramped

[1:36:14] campus that they are doing all they can

[1:36:19] to make it work. and it's just a

[1:36:22] struggle all the time. I don't know if

[1:36:24] you want to say anything else on that.

[1:36:27] >> Yeah, I mean I agree. We're we're we're

[1:36:29] basically doing everything we can do. Um

[1:36:32] we probably have 35% of our students

[1:36:35] right now that don't park in any parking

[1:36:38] lot. They park on streets. They park

[1:36:39] across from where the practice football

[1:36:41] field is on both sides all the way down

[1:36:43] the block all the way to the almost

[1:36:45] railroad tracks. We have people that

[1:36:47] park there. We have people that park um

[1:36:50] between the niatorum and the parking lot

[1:36:52] on the street all the way that way and

[1:36:54] then on the north side all the way down

[1:36:56] on that that piece every day come in the

[1:36:58] winter time when there's a few uh snow

[1:37:01] piles makes it even worse. Um the bus

[1:37:04] thing behind the school is a huge issue.

[1:37:07] We have we have I think we have eight

[1:37:10] buses that go behind the school um

[1:37:12] including our our um sped buses that

[1:37:14] have um the kids that that have to have

[1:37:17] like wheelchairs and things. that's

[1:37:18] where they drop kids off. Um, we have no

[1:37:22] choice but we have kids that have to

[1:37:24] walk past in between those buses all the

[1:37:26] time. There's they have to because of

[1:37:28] where their school their classes are.

[1:37:30] So, like Corey said, the real the real

[1:37:35] problem is the parking and the access to

[1:37:37] the school. In order to fix that, you're

[1:37:39] going to have to do some other things to

[1:37:42] make sure that there's other that those

[1:37:44] get moved to a certain place. It's a lot

[1:37:45] like what happened with the baseball and

[1:37:47] softball field at Bosel. In order to be

[1:37:49] able to build those buildings there, you

[1:37:51] had to relocate and in order to do that

[1:37:53] sometimes you have to So yeah, I don't

[1:37:56] know if there's any questions on on the

[1:37:58] parking or just the congestion. Neil's

[1:38:00] not wrong. Um we actually have six

[1:38:02] sports that would would be there. You

[1:38:04] got baseball, softball, track, both

[1:38:07] lacrosse, tennis, and then we have boys

[1:38:09] uh uh soccer. We have generally

[1:38:12] baseball, softball, you know, a game on

[1:38:15] the turf, tennis, a game in the gym all

[1:38:18] in the same night. And and we have I

[1:38:20] mean, we we've had a couple of instances

[1:38:23] where, you know, we have some older

[1:38:24] people that like to come to games. They

[1:38:26] have they literally have to walk from

[1:38:28] all the way over here by the by the

[1:38:30] junior high school all the way to the

[1:38:31] back of the building because they have

[1:38:32] nowhere else to walk.

[1:38:34] >> Yeah. And I would say if you're um

[1:38:38] wheelchair bound or have difficulty with

[1:38:40] mobility, trying to get to the back of

[1:38:42] the softball field, the bleachers down

[1:38:44] that gravel or cobblestone you call it

[1:38:46] path is difficult.

[1:38:49] >> I was just going to say I was at we've

[1:38:51] only been in one game this year was a

[1:38:54] softball game and I watched a woman in a

[1:38:56] motorized wheelchair try to get from

[1:38:59] where the stadium seats are behind the

[1:39:01] softball field around to go to the

[1:39:03] restroom.

[1:39:05] I was really It was uncomfortable. It's

[1:39:08] hard.

[1:39:09] >> Yeah.

[1:39:12] I just wonder

[1:39:17] for people to park

[1:39:20] » in the in the black areas but not

[1:39:22] actually but yes in the parking area

[1:39:26] highlight

[1:39:32] » just go to the tennis courts

[1:39:34] >> tennis courts

[1:39:35] >> yeah so yes there areapost

[1:39:52] Maybe grandparents would say

[1:39:57] that's where I'm at.

[1:40:02] » Do we have any questions about this

[1:40:04] proposal idea?

[1:40:08] uh this will be from existing capital

[1:40:10] funds. So if and I don't mean to make

[1:40:13] anybody sick here, but if we go back

[1:40:14] here to the proposed budget,

[1:40:18] it's within our existing capital funds

[1:40:20] that we'd be using this for. We would

[1:40:22] not be raising any additional funds to

[1:40:24] make this happen.

[1:40:27] Is that one of the line items or is that

[1:40:29] >> Yeah, down here river improvements $4

[1:40:33] million

[1:40:35] >> and the vote is that is right.

[1:40:39] >> So yeah, the process will be uh process

[1:40:42] that superintendent works with me to

[1:40:44] develop a budget. He tells me what the

[1:40:46] priorities are. We put the numbers

[1:40:48] together in the budget book to publish

[1:40:50] for the public to consume and all wells

[1:40:52] the board and then in June we will have

[1:40:56] a vote on what is going to be the

[1:40:58] proposed budget.

[1:41:01] So I the plan is to include that in the

[1:41:04] budget for for the board to consider in

[1:41:06] June.

[1:41:08] >> Yes.

[1:41:11] Uh

[1:41:13] then we essentially have permission from

[1:41:14] the board to start the construction

[1:41:16] planning process to go through

[1:41:18] engineering design and go get bids. I

[1:41:20] wouldn't anticipate that happening being

[1:41:23] starting construction before the fall,

[1:41:25] possibly next spring on many parts of

[1:41:28] this. There's some parts we can do.

[1:41:29] Parking lot's easy to do, but uh the

[1:41:32] field moves and the other parts of it

[1:41:34] would take more time.

[1:41:37] So, an immediate need would be access to

[1:41:42] the Niatoran parking lot because right

[1:41:44] now we have one access. It's on the

[1:41:47] north and it's right where the new

[1:41:50] seminary building would be built. So,

[1:41:53] before next school year starts, there's

[1:41:56] a non-negotiable that we have to have

[1:41:58] access into that parking lot. Even if

[1:42:01] it's just a roadbased road, those can be

[1:42:05] difficult to push snow off of. And that

[1:42:09] field between the Natorium and Bear

[1:42:12] River Middle School is currently flood

[1:42:15] irrigated.

[1:42:17] So, there are some considerations that

[1:42:18] we do need to deal with before students

[1:42:21] are back in school next fall or

[1:42:23] immediately because as soon as the

[1:42:25] seminary as soon as the LDS church takes

[1:42:28] over that area, we lose our access. So,

[1:42:32] we're going to have to do that in

[1:42:34] conjunction with them fencing off that

[1:42:36] section.

[1:42:37] >> I would add that's probably the least

[1:42:38] costly part of this project. It's the

[1:42:41] easiest to uh to do.

[1:42:46] That's also going to take over 100

[1:42:48] parking spaces

[1:42:54] building.

[1:42:54] >> Yeah, that where they're putting the

[1:42:56] seminary building that we have a ton of

[1:42:58] parking right there that will take

[1:42:59] almost all of that um because of the way

[1:43:02] that they access that and the way that

[1:43:03] they'll park on it. So, so again, we're

[1:43:06] going from not very much to even less.

[1:43:10] How many current per parking spaces do

[1:43:13] we have right now versus how many will

[1:43:15] we have if this is put through?

[1:43:18] >> Are we talking about the seminary

[1:43:20] portion or the whole project?

[1:43:23] >> Um I don't have an estimate on that, but

[1:43:25] that parking lot is a pretty large

[1:43:27] parking lot. Let me see if I can read

[1:43:28] that what it says. Uh 225 by 49.

[1:43:34] So that's a large 200. It's a nearly a

[1:43:37] football field long.

[1:43:39] >> It's actually a little bit bigger. I

[1:43:40] mean, as far as the whole thing, um

[1:43:43] right now there's about 240 spaces in

[1:43:46] the parking lot south of the natiatorum.

[1:43:48] Um that goes all the way over towards

[1:43:50] the um the middle school, that little L

[1:43:53] space right there. Um we have about

[1:43:57] 180 spaces on the north side of the

[1:44:00] natitorium. Um which that will take

[1:44:04] roughly a 100 spots. Um, so then you're

[1:44:07] looking at it, but I think it'll

[1:44:08] actually take a little bit more than

[1:44:09] that because of how you're going to put

[1:44:11] the the access points in. I think

[1:44:13] that'll actually take more parking await

[1:44:15] as well. I'm pretty sure you're going to

[1:44:18] get at least that much and most likely

[1:44:20] more over here on the practice football

[1:44:23] field. It's a bigger space than either

[1:44:24] one of those two are. So,

[1:44:28] >> yeah, you will lose Yeah. Yeah. Because

[1:44:29] you will have the bus lanes that go

[1:44:31] around.

[1:44:35] Yes.

[1:44:37] >> But also next to the tennis courts and

[1:44:40] Oh, we get those.

[1:44:42] >> Not yet.

[1:44:45] >> It's just where like your

[1:44:48] >> So we're looking at here some here. When

[1:44:52] the seminary comes down, the seminary

[1:44:53] will we will raise that and we will make

[1:44:56] it a parking lot. So that's

[1:44:59] >> Yes. 12 months out. Well, we haven't

[1:45:01] decided students or staff, but we will

[1:45:03] have parking.

[1:45:07] » My preference is in designing this is

[1:45:09] that staff park behind the school only

[1:45:12] and students park up here at the top

[1:45:16] and across the road and over here.

[1:45:20] >> So, if I remember right, you said that

[1:45:22] this plan would have all parking

[1:45:25] students and staff in a parking lot, not

[1:45:27] on the street.

[1:45:28] >> That's correct.

[1:45:32] goal. I mean, it all depends on how many

[1:45:34] kids drive to school, but that that

[1:45:37] would that would go a long way.

[1:45:39] >> Well, we we feel like current drivers

[1:45:42] would all fit in this current system

[1:45:44] right now.

[1:45:46] >> Current drivers would fit in.

[1:45:48] >> Yes. I mean, if we have three 400 more

[1:45:51] students in the future, that's another

[1:45:53] conversation.

[1:45:56] Well, if you listen to the Tree Mountain

[1:45:59] City Planner minutes, they're looking

[1:46:00] for big developments on Radio Hill. So,

[1:46:02] I think it's more closer to reality than

[1:46:04] we wanted to believe.

[1:46:08] Any other questions on this or anything

[1:46:10] we've talked about tonight?

[1:46:15] » I think I'd turn it back over to board

[1:46:16] president.

[1:46:21] » All right. I think we have reached the

[1:46:23] end of our agenda. Anyone else?

[1:46:34] » Thanks everybody.

[1:46:35] >> Reminder 6 o'clock next Wednesday at

[1:46:37] Young Intermediate for the uh reception

[1:46:40] for the retirees and then starts

[1:46:44] >> young intermediate

[1:46:48] » the reception.

[1:46:49] Is that what we call that? The reception

[1:46:51] open house.

[1:46:56] That's what it says. Is it?

BESD- Board Work Session - May 7, 2026 - Special Session

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