[0:00] everybody and welcome to the November

[0:02] 19th um Administration and operations

[0:04] committee um thank you all for attending

[0:07] uh attendants did I see councelor

[0:10] Chambers council chambers is here so

[0:12] everybody is on site today which is

[0:14] great uh anybody have anything to add to

[0:16] the

[0:17] agenda councelor Bell uh Mr chair two

[0:21] small things in any other the business

[0:22] that's okay okay anybody

[0:28] else okay seeing none can I get a motion

[0:31] to approve the agenda as amended mayor

[0:33] Bailey councel Oakley all in

[0:37] favor opposed that is

[0:41] carried okay okay um delegations or

[0:47] Declaration of pecuniary interest is

[0:48] there any right now counc garno thank

[0:51] you Mr chair 8.1 8.1 anybody

[0:55] else okay if anything arises through the

[0:57] meeting just let me know uh Del ation we

[1:00] do have a delegation today is Melanie

[1:03] here y Melanie is here if you'd like to

[1:06] come

[1:18] up okay

[1:30] Mel if I could just ask that you make

[1:32] sure the light is on on the microphone

[1:34] there just push the button yeah green

[1:37] and if you could just state your name

[1:38] and address and you have 10 minutes for

[1:40] your presentation thank you okay um I'm

[1:43] Melanie MIRS I live at 22 madis in

[1:49] Branford so I'm here today representing

[1:52] the St George Children's Center um which

[1:55] is a Heritage Building located on 38

[1:59] bever Street in St George so I do have a

[2:03] slide presentation I don't

[2:06] know where that

[2:08] is sorry

[2:42] scroll down okay perfect so first off I

[2:46] just want to give you a little overhead

[2:47] of what St George to Center is and what

[2:49] it has become over the time frame so um

[2:53] I'll just first start out with this is

[2:55] our location so this child care opened

[2:58] up in 19

[3:00] 1988 as a child care center uh 36 years

[3:04] ago so since then um we are the only

[3:08] full-time child care in St George at the

[3:11] present time there is another program

[3:13] that offers part day but we are the only

[3:14] full-time child care in St

[3:17] George um and started with 16 children

[3:20] back in 1988 in May of

[3:24] 20122 I was asked to join this team to

[3:26] try to increase the spaces as well as

[3:29] try to increase enrollment because um as

[3:33] most of you know Child Care is something

[3:35] that is definitely needed in our

[3:36] community and with growing populations

[3:39] and expansions and buildings Child Care

[3:41] is definitely a need in St George so um

[3:45] when I joined the team it had 45

[3:47] children the hours are 7 to 5:30 I had a

[3:50] vision that with this team and the

[3:52] community we could build more so now the

[3:55] main site has gone from 45 to 126

[3:58] children in that location we are

[4:00] utilizing all rooms at this time um we

[4:04] also opened another site September 2022

[4:07] in the school which has uh 20 children

[4:11] as well and we opened a new location

[4:13] Little Learners in June um that has 26

[4:17] children it's operating out of St

[4:19] Andrew's Church the basement there so um

[4:23] at the present

[4:24] time um this is our toddler sorry minute

[4:32] this is our child room um right now this

[4:35] is the highest need in our community in

[4:37] St Georgia the present as of today just

[4:39] for the main site I have 408 children

[4:43] needing care um and this is only for 18

[4:46] months to two and a

[4:48] half our next group is preschoolers um

[4:51] this group um at the main site we have

[4:54] 83 children waiting and this is for two

[4:57] and a half until 5ye olds and this is

[5:00] our JK school age at the present time we

[5:03] have no children waiting for this if you

[5:05] have a JK or School AG child you get in

[5:07] right away and I'm servicing 60 children

[5:10] at the present main

[5:12] location our uh School location is for

[5:16] our older guys our 9 to 12 year olds and

[5:18] we have Tony children there and our

[5:20] full in June as I said we opened up just

[5:24] after five months of being approved to

[5:26] the new Little Learners Site we've gone

[5:29] from 8 Educators to 31 Educators at all

[5:32] three locations presently at the Little

[5:35] Learners location I have 142 children

[5:38] waiting for this program in the 18

[5:40] months to two and a half and I have 27

[5:43] children waiting for the preschool

[5:45] program so I just wanted to give you a

[5:48] little synopsis of that and why I'm here

[5:51] today as you know the government has

[5:53] frozen the funds for all child care as

[5:55] of 2022 April 1st and we can't increase

[5:59] our rate R to parents due to the

[6:00] government program which um is trying to

[6:04] get us to that $10 of day child care so

[6:07] with that being said um we are usually

[6:11] we' use money to from parents revenues

[6:14] things like that um and different types

[6:17] of Grants but the grants for child care

[6:19] have been shut down at this time um due

[6:22] to new funding regulations so there's no

[6:25] money for us to help with the upkeep of

[6:28] this Heritage bill

[6:30] so we are in desperate need of Windows

[6:34] Our Heritage our building um we' had

[6:36] people come in we have we run this

[6:38] building on the main site we run it uh

[6:41] with two furnaces because it's such a

[6:43] big location and we've had the furnaces

[6:46] service several times and they're saying

[6:48] we're throwing money out the window

[6:50] because of the windows the furnaces are

[6:52] in great shape we're have no concerns

[6:54] there so uh in your little package

[6:57] you'll see um this is the main site and

[6:59] what has sort of happened so our windows

[7:01] are starting to fall forward um we are

[7:04] not able to get replacement parts we

[7:07] can't figure out who the manufacturer is

[7:09] of these older windows so we some of the

[7:12] windows we have locked of course if a

[7:13] window was absolutely broken we would

[7:15] absolutely get the funds to try to

[7:17] repair those but it's an overall

[7:19] existing problem we've got seal failure

[7:22] we've got vinyl warping we have original

[7:25] wooden windows in some of the places

[7:28] that aren't even vinyl which date back

[7:30] to the

[7:31] early um I have someone in the window

[7:34] business that is saying probably in the

[7:36] early 1960s range of the type of Windows

[7:41] in some of the areas so as you can see

[7:44] here you can see that we've got

[7:46] different types of failure we've got

[7:48] condensation coming in on the glass as

[7:50] you can see and we've got those older

[7:52] wind wood frame Windows as you can see

[7:55] as well so we've gone forward to get

[7:58] three type of quotes um with regards to

[8:01] the windows as you can see we've got

[8:03] three quotes with regards to that

[8:05] building if you can believe it has 90

[8:08] Windows 90 so we are there are tons and

[8:12] tons of windows it's a beautiful space

[8:14] lots of Lal light comes in that building

[8:17] and so we are in need of some of those

[8:20] funds so I have been in touch with

[8:22] Jasmine um from uh Heritage and we're

[8:25] hoping that we can get some sort of

[8:27] funds or something to a assist with the

[8:30] process even if we have to do one at a

[8:33] time we're prepared to do that but I

[8:35] just uh at this stage we're just

[8:37] throwing money out the door with the

[8:38] heating problem because of the poor

[8:40] windows so I'm here today to present

[8:43] that to council to see if there's any

[8:46] funds we will take anything um at this

[8:49] point uh to help us to um help us with

[8:52] the window project does anybody have any

[8:57] questions questions from committee

[9:02] C

[9:04] mine so my understanding there's a few

[9:07] windows in particular that are desperate

[9:09] to be replaced if you were able to maybe

[9:11] elaborate on that a bit so we have four

[9:14] windows that we're going to have to

[9:16] replace no matter what because the locks

[9:18] have fallen and they're falling forward

[9:19] so we have to lock them to keep them

[9:21] forward um to keep them closed at this

[9:24] point it's not a fire hazard it's not a

[9:26] Ministry we're not breaking any rules by

[9:28] not having them fixed but there are four

[9:31] bigger Windows um estimated cost toing

[9:34] around $6,000 for those four to be done

[9:38] um those are ones that we're going to

[9:40] start with but um the furnace and

[9:43] everyone guys are saying to us you know

[9:45] it's fine through one at a time but the

[9:47] problem's not goingon to be solved until

[9:48] you do them all yeah so good just

[9:52] another followup question um I think my

[9:56] understanding is you would need

[9:57] permission from the

[9:59] the Horseshoe here I guess to have staff

[10:03] help you with the grants is that correct

[10:06] um that would be an area for Jasmine

[10:08] that would be able to speak on that

[10:10] would you be able to speak on that

[10:18] Jasmine can I get you to just state your

[10:20] name for the clerk please sure uh

[10:22] Jasmine Bard I'm Arts culture and

[10:23] Heritage officer for County

[10:26] Brant through the chair M councelor

[10:29] Miguel can you repeat your question um

[10:32] I'm just asking that you you need um

[10:36] direction from the council in order to

[10:38] go ahead with helping with the grants

[10:41] applications is that correct uh through

[10:43] the chair to councel MC Alpine it is

[10:44] also a designated Heritage building with

[10:47] bylaw so we need a direction to bring it

[10:50] to the Heritage committee proper and the

[10:52] Heritage committee will have to rep

[10:54] approve the repairs um but yes we're

[10:57] also looking for grant funding and on

[11:02] it is this point where I can ask

[11:04] question from

[11:05] staff uh let's just stand by we'll

[11:09] Circle back to you okay councelor how

[11:11] then councelor Bell thank you Mr chair

[11:14] through you uh and I think I'm I'm

[11:19] predicting that maybe Council mpan and I

[11:21] were thinking in the same direction but

[11:23] if if I'm not mistaken the way our

[11:27] process works

[11:30] sorry councelor how is your time

[11:32] [Laughter]

[11:34] zone

[11:36] um we're just waiting for the countdown

[11:38] clock okay so um if I'm not mistaken the

[11:42] way requests for funding requests for

[11:47] Grants typically the

[11:50] response is we're going to defer you to

[11:53] our our grant

[11:57] process however if it's an emergency

[12:00] Grant request which is I think what you

[12:04] meant then we look at it

[12:07] differently and I'm wondering if uh

[12:11] staff if Allison could maybe um clarify

[12:15] my understanding on that but I I believe

[12:17] that if you're calling this an emergency

[12:19] Grant request then that's something we

[12:21] could be looking at Short Term and then

[12:25] you could still look at the grant

[12:27] process which happens early next

[12:32] year through you Mr chair um certainly

[12:35] Council can direct um staff to

[12:37] administer emergency funds but I would

[12:38] have to um ask Finance uh how much we

[12:42] may have in those

[12:45] reserves I'll leave it at that for now

[12:48] Mr chair councelor Bell thank

[12:52] you through you to Melanie you're

[12:54] looking for $94,000 to do the whole

[12:57] piece of work that's what I understand

[13:00] correct so if it was your house um You'

[13:02] think well I'll add to my mortgage so if

[13:05] you were to mortgage

[13:08] $94,000 a current interest rate I think

[13:11] you're looking at about $110,000 a year

[13:14] you'd need to pay for the capital and

[13:17] and the interest and if you got

[13:20] 152 people that you support that's

[13:24] $65 a year or about $1 a week have you

[13:28] thought about a campaign that you make

[13:30] it clear to the 152 people that are

[13:33] there parents of the people are there

[13:35] that if you don't do this you won't be

[13:37] able to stay in business so you're

[13:39] basically going to ask them to support

[13:41] by giving $1 a week and you your problem

[13:45] will be addressed now I'm being very

[13:48] simplistic but have you approached it

[13:50] from that angle as well as asking for

[13:53] funding from Grants and the

[13:56] council so we did look into the

[13:59] the city of Branford the Brant

[14:02] Foundation grants and those grants were

[14:03] closed and we found out that this was a

[14:05] desperate need so that Grant process was

[14:07] closed we did look that we did look into

[14:09] some other Ontario grants and we don't

[14:12] qualify with being a nonprofit and a

[14:14] charitable program a charitable Child

[14:17] Care um we cannot legally go to parents

[14:21] and ask if a parent donates but I can't

[14:24] due to the regulations of fees and

[14:26] things like that there's strict rules on

[14:29] rates I can't ask parents I can ask

[14:31] parents to donate a gift or a card or

[14:34] whatever but I'd have to be very careful

[14:36] in how I ask parents to say you know

[14:39] we're going to bill you an extra dollar

[14:40] a week for your child care costs or

[14:43] something to cover that but we are at

[14:46] where we are at

[14:48] financially if if I could have not come

[14:51] here I would have not come

[14:53] here mayor Bailey uh through you Mr

[14:57] chair to Melody uh I had the same

[15:00] problem when I bought my house and I

[15:01] have over 60 windows in my house and I

[15:04] hired someone for the best price to do

[15:06] the first two windows and uh he

[15:10] butchered them uh and then I called the

[15:13] lowest quote on your list which happens

[15:15] to be your husband Window World uh and

[15:19] and who's also a rotarian friend of mine

[15:21] and he came and put the windows in my

[15:24] house

[15:25] uh and they they approved it was

[15:27] approved by heritage obviously and he

[15:30] also fixed the windows that he didn't

[15:32] even put in to make them all match which

[15:35] I thought was very nice of them um but

[15:38] the savings is incredible in my house uh

[15:41] because of the new windows I did it over

[15:42] a number of years too because I I had I

[15:45] don't know $1,200 a window or something

[15:48] crazy thing so um but you have the right

[15:51] players in place and I I don't know how

[15:53] else we could do it can we have a

[15:55] capital campaign can I can I do a

[15:57] campaign for St George and ask people to

[16:00] support the school for

[16:03] for for the daycare center can I can I

[16:05] do that because I mean I know there's

[16:07] people in St George that know that it's

[16:09] a it has to be done and enough people in

[16:12] St George live in Heritage properties

[16:14] that they know the the heat that escapes

[16:18] is expensive so I don't know I don't

[16:20] know whether that's in my realm of

[16:22] things I can do away from Council

[16:25] whether I can had a fundraiser for it I

[16:27] don't know that there's a better CA

[16:29] right now you've got that many kids

[16:31] waiting and I was at the opening of your

[16:33] your second your second daycare at the

[16:35] at the church the need is huge I mean

[16:38] their their waiting list is is pregnant

[16:40] women that haven't even had the babies

[16:42] yet that are on the list um it's it's

[16:45] kind of kooky that the need that's

[16:47] coming to St George and that's without

[16:48] any visible growth this time in two

[16:51] years we're going to be talking about a

[16:52] whole different animal in St George so I

[16:54] think we need to get our ducks in a row

[16:55] now um so I counc CHR I don't know

[16:59] whether so I can help out or not so I

[17:02] guess my my my question for

[17:03] clarification on that baile is the fact

[17:05] are you looking at potentially doing

[17:06] this as David Bailey or are you looking

[17:08] at doing this as mayor David Bailey it

[17:10] would have to be the

[17:12] mayor because I wouldn't want it to be I

[17:14] wouldn't want it to be mixed up with my

[17:16] own Foundation that I already have at

[17:18] the Brent Community Foundation and

[17:20] that's in the name of David Bailey so

[17:22] this would have to be the

[17:24] mayor um so I think we would have to

[17:26] have staff look into that to understand

[17:28] how that would play

[17:30] out okay uh councelor Miller just a few

[17:34] questions through you Mr chair to the

[17:36] presenter um does the daycare own that

[17:39] building we do okay we have a mortgage

[17:43] okay um you've got a requesting we don't

[17:46] have any your financials like are you

[17:48] guys putting money aside when you when

[17:50] you get

[17:51] fees um you have operating costs Capital

[17:55] costs do you put money aside for Capital

[17:57] cost we do okay yep

[17:59] can you talk a little bit about um you

[18:02] touched on it um I just wonder if you

[18:04] could flush it out a bit um as far as

[18:07] you can't you've talked about what you

[18:09] can't do what as far as raising money

[18:12] goes like going to the parents what can

[18:15] you do and related to that question is

[18:18] you're not the only child care uh Center

[18:20] in financial distress what are they

[18:23] doing have you talk to other ones

[18:25] because I think this $10 a day child

[18:28] care um has caused a bit of financial

[18:31] hardship for a lot of daycare so what

[18:33] have you guys done

[18:35] specifically um to raise cash or raise

[18:38] money and what are other child care

[18:40] center so this isn't my first rodeo I've

[18:43] been in child care for 33 years I was a

[18:46] supervisor of all child care centers in

[18:47] the county and the city for 31 years and

[18:51] then I came up to St George so I'm well

[18:53] aware of the other programs that are

[18:55] sort of suffering and not suffering the

[18:57] most of the programs uh that have child

[19:00] carees are in rental situations there

[19:03] are very few that own the buildings so

[19:06] they go back to their landlords for

[19:08] those type of issues um that's with the

[19:10] survey that I did put out there that's

[19:12] where they're going back as to their

[19:13] landlord for that type of thing with

[19:15] regards to funds and reserves there's

[19:17] certain money that the government will

[19:20] take from me if I have too much so I

[19:23] have to slot it to different slots so I

[19:26] have learned a little bit as they say to

[19:28] play the game

[19:29] and so I can put a capital reserve for

[19:32] future child care centers but I can't

[19:35] use some of the money for um to keep up

[19:39] what I have so I do we do have a reserve

[19:42] fund that is for if we can build another

[19:45] Center which St George is going to need

[19:47] if St George gets a school I we've got

[19:50] some funds there that we can put into

[19:52] that um which is capital or new build

[19:55] fund um so I do have funds for that as

[19:58] we got so far

[20:00] so okay I I I I would have appreciated

[20:04] that

[20:05] information in your information that you

[20:07] give us but um and I I'll just kind of

[20:10] touch on what counselor Bell said

[20:11] talking about a mortgage or you get a

[20:13] loan

[20:15] um and and it's not a bad idea and the

[20:18] reason I say that is because the payback

[20:19] on a window as far as I know it's a

[20:21] capital cost but as far as operating

[20:23] cost I mean you you'll save the money in

[20:25] utilities within five maybe four years

[20:28] if bad you say so um it would be good if

[20:32] again if you could get that get the

[20:34] windows in and save on the operating

[20:35] cost but anyways thank you for

[20:38] your any other questions Council Garo

[20:41] thank you Mr chair through to the

[20:43] presenter U being a Heritage building

[20:45] are the rest of the walls insulated do

[20:47] you know what

[20:49] to whether that's been done or is there

[20:53] has been some done

[20:55] yes any other questions

[21:00] counc McAlpine will'll go back to you

[21:02] when the time comes I'd like to make a

[21:04] motion I think now might be the time if

[21:06] there's no more questions from committee

[21:08] okay so just to get the ball rolling I'd

[21:11] like to suggest that we make a grant

[21:13] from the county for

[21:14] 25,000 and then we work with Dave Bailey

[21:17] and maybe raise some funds and if we can

[21:20] direct staff to bring it to Heritage

[21:22] about other grants that might be

[21:24] available it's a bit of a mouthful but

[21:27] okay second to that motion councelor

[21:30] Kyle

[21:32] questions councelor Chambers then

[21:34] councelor house yeah I I'm I understand

[21:36] the motion I just don't like the process

[21:39] it would be nice to have a little bit

[21:41] more documentation on where the money's

[21:43] coming from and what you going to do

[21:45] with that kind of thing so uh I would

[21:48] much rather refer this to either a staff

[21:51] report for funding options or refer it

[21:54] to the budget committee but to today

[21:58] throw

[21:59] money at the problem and then

[22:02] uh ask David to do something with the

[22:06] mayor's that to me is not the way to

[22:09] solve the problem because it's still

[22:12] going to leave uh

[22:16] $75,000 funding shortfall at some point

[22:20] where if it goes through the grant

[22:21] committee and that it may be uh there

[22:25] may be better options is what I'm saying

[22:26] so I'm not going to support the motion

[22:29] as it is if the motion fails then I

[22:31] would put a motion forward to refer it

[22:34] to staff for funding options uh to

[22:37] resolve the

[22:39] problem councelor house and councel open

[22:42] uh thank you Mr chair uh to the motion I

[22:44] I am supportive of this uh again I'm I'm

[22:50] and I don't even know if this is an

[22:51] amendment or friendly Amendment or just

[22:53] uh edit that I think you meant emergency

[22:57] Grant um

[22:59] and the way I'm looking at this this is

[23:02] $100,000 plus situation and the county

[23:07] of Brandt is is not necessarily going to

[23:10] be in a position ever to hand over

[23:12] $100,000 but if we're able to assist in

[23:18] getting things started and and the

[23:20] example that the mayor provided you know

[23:22] with his own house you know you do the

[23:25] worst two or three first and and and and

[23:28] you start start working towards it and

[23:30] then work towards a capital campaign

[23:32] with the mayor's help the grant Pro the

[23:35] normal Grant process uh which is

[23:38] available to any

[23:41] nonprofit

[23:42] organization um so I I I think

[23:46] approaching this in a multi multitude of

[23:49] ways is appropriate and I support the uh

[23:52] the motion as it stands with the word

[23:54] emergency in

[23:56] there councelor Oakley then mayor B

[23:59] uh through the chair to finance staff if

[24:02] possible um what what monies do we

[24:04] currently have in regards to Grants and

[24:07] am I correct in that we actually no

[24:08] longer have the emergency Grant um uh

[24:12] tool um I believe that was something we

[24:15] might have removed in the last

[24:17] year yeah so we we did remove the

[24:20] emergency Grant category on the basis

[24:22] that if during the year Council wanted

[24:24] to give money on an emergency basis we

[24:26] would we would make that um happen uh we

[24:30] do not have any money left in the Emer

[24:32] in the grants budget for 2024 um but if

[24:36] Council uh directed I mean certainly we

[24:38] would come back with how where we could

[24:42] pull the money from or or defer to 2025

[24:45] there there's options out there it's

[24:46] just a matter of how if this

[24:48] recommendation goes through um as is we

[24:51] could do a Friday file report just

[24:52] outlining where the money is going to

[24:54] come from or if Council wants to defer

[24:56] it for a report on options then you're

[24:58] certainly welcome to do that too thank

[25:01] you very much thanks mayor Bailey

[25:04] through you Mr chair uh taking a second

[25:08] sober thought here um I'm just thinking

[25:11] that it's not the Optics of me raising

[25:13] money for the school uh when there's a

[25:15] capital campaign right now for the

[25:16] library and a capital campaign that

[25:18] hasn't met its goal for the wilin Center

[25:21] um I'm not sure how the how that would

[25:24] look especially in my own backyard so uh

[25:27] I will help any any way I can but it

[25:29] would have to be on a on a informal

[25:31] basis and in a different way because

[25:33] it's when you have two countywide

[25:37] Capital campaigns under way way I

[25:39] shouldn't be raising money for something

[25:40] different thank

[25:42] you Council Garo then councelor

[25:45] Miller thank you Mr chair uh

[25:48] unfortunately I can't support the

[25:50] recommendation because I think that we

[25:52] do have um processes in place including

[25:55] our grant cycle that's going to reopen

[25:57] and I'm very mindful

[25:59] um that we are a large and diverse

[26:00] Community with a number of Heritage

[26:02] buildings and I worry about the predent

[26:06] that we might set that one can come to

[26:08] council and um more or less work through

[26:13] a different process that is perhaps not

[26:16] um Equitable to those who are watching

[26:18] the timelines and everything and I do

[26:19] recognize there's there's an emergency

[26:21] here and my step kids actually went to

[26:24] this Child Care Program for a number of

[26:26] years when we were in St George so by no

[26:28] means is it a commentary on the program

[26:30] or the people involved but I think we do

[26:32] have processes in the county that we

[26:34] have to follow and um as has been the

[26:37] case with a few things that have come to

[26:38] me in in my w that I've referred over to

[26:40] the grants um that is normally the

[26:42] mechanism we have for that so while I

[26:46] believe in the work that folks are doing

[26:47] in the urgency of the situation I can't

[26:49] support this from a process

[26:51] standpoint counc Miller and councel

[26:55] Bell I guess it depends on when you come

[26:58] and and ask for help for the windows

[26:59] because

[27:01] um um depending on what your table you

[27:05] get different answers because I know St

[27:06] Joe's and Branford came and asked for

[27:09] some help with their Windows which they

[27:11] also badly needed and they were turned

[27:13] down um I I what coun G say is

[27:15] absolutely right we do have a process in

[27:18] place all right for asking for money and

[27:20] and I don't know I I I don't know how

[27:24] someone can just give away

[27:26] 25,000 no matter the cause

[27:28] without at least a little more

[27:30] information about where the money's

[27:31] coming from about their finances and so

[27:35] forth so there's a lot of information

[27:36] even ask

[27:38] Heather she says well we're not sure we

[27:41] have to look into it so we're going to

[27:43] move a motion staff doesn't quite know

[27:46] um I don't think if we wait a week two

[27:48] weeks whatever it's going to make a big

[27:50] big difference I would rather do it

[27:52] properly um than just halfhazard and

[27:54] that motion is halfhazard

[27:56] Council Bell

[27:59] yeah thank you Mr CH uh I too cannot

[28:01] support the motion that's presented this

[28:03] is a project that has got

[28:05] a 25 30 year lifetime uh and we need to

[28:10] think about the better ways of of

[28:13] funding it because I don't believe you

[28:15] should just simply give over $994,000

[28:18] um I would rather translate it into what

[28:21] does it cost me every year and then I

[28:23] would say I'm one am I saving every year

[28:25] by the fact I've got these new windows

[28:27] in and and I think the differential cost

[28:29] might be quite small and there might be

[28:30] other ways of of delivering that that um

[28:34] differential between what you save and

[28:36] what you have to spend on an annual

[28:38] basis so I I'd like to see this come

[28:40] back with a staff report and and we can

[28:43] consider all all aspects of it rather

[28:46] than just giv e jerk

[28:49] $25,000 okay councilman thank you Mr

[28:52] chair

[28:53] and I I would rather see this a deferred

[28:56] for one cycle

[28:58] so we can get the staff report back and

[29:00] get some more information back on

[29:02] financials and a whole lot of other

[29:03] things on this and whatnot so I do

[29:05] remember I think CC Chambers I the last

[29:07] two they're here that when we did sell

[29:09] this building to the county or to the

[29:11] daycare for I think was for a dollar I

[29:14] remember correctly

[29:15] so I

[29:18] support that they need help but I think

[29:20] we need some more information so I'd

[29:22] rather see it deferred for one cycle and

[29:24] come back and do it properly

[29:29] councelor Kyle you're the only one that

[29:30] hasn't chimed in you want to jump in on

[29:32] this or are you good I'm good okay can I

[29:34] ask a question am I allowed to um I'll

[29:39] let it go the main purpose of me here

[29:42] was to get the help from Jasmine for the

[29:44] Heritage it wasn't necessarily to say

[29:46] that I need the money from I needed her

[29:48] help to help me apply for the grants for

[29:50] the Heritage so that's the main purpose

[29:52] of me being here is to apply for that

[29:54] piece

[30:00] sorry right what right which doesn't

[30:03] require Council Direction you've

[30:05] got needed Council direction to do that

[30:08] so

[30:09] that's sorry for clarification for an

[30:12] emergency Heritage Grant yeah direction

[30:14] if we were to go that

[30:17] way but the emergency Heritage Grant

[30:19] would Circle back to us anyway right

[30:23] okay final word council

[30:26] McAlpine so I think the way it's going

[30:29] if we defer it for one cycle for Jasmine

[30:31] to come back to a report with with the

[30:34] staff for

[30:37] appropriate reactions to this I think

[30:39] that would be

[30:40] appropriate so if I made that

[30:42] recommendation that we defer it then for

[30:44] one ccle okay so you're you're you're

[30:49] amending your first getting ready your

[30:50] first motion and now you're your motion

[30:52] for a deferral for one cycle to allow

[30:54] staff to

[30:55] understand where the money would come

[30:57] from and

[30:58] emergency yeah that would be

[31:02] appropriate right we've already got it

[31:04] approve yes we'll have to defer over

[31:07] right I think we defer

[31:10] it deferred for one

[31:14] Cycle councelor house councelor Chambers

[31:17] I thank I thank you Mr chair I think I'm

[31:21] following what's going on but where I'm

[31:24] I'm a little I've been on the Heritage

[31:26] advisory committee for seven or eight

[31:28] years

[31:30] and the Heritage advisory committee

[31:34] itself doesn't have any

[31:37] funding right it come back to us so so

[31:40] it Al I'm I'm not sure I understand what

[31:44] the benefit would be of of going through

[31:50] Heritage committee's blessing on making

[31:53] modifications to a designated Heritage

[31:56] building but I I I'm not aware of there

[31:59] being a a uh a fund of

[32:04] money that's any different than than the

[32:08] emergency Grant conversation that we're

[32:11] having right now so if staff could maybe

[32:13] clarify that

[32:18] please three you Mr chair um that's

[32:21] correct this is not it it's all coming

[32:24] from the county so there isn't a

[32:26] specific fund for for herit grants

[32:29] through the

[32:32] committee through the chair to counselor

[32:34] house for clarification because it is a

[32:37] designated and listed building with a

[32:39] bylaw um Heritage the Heritage committee

[32:42] per our planning policy needs to make

[32:45] determinations on it so that's where the

[32:46] Heritage component fits within it so the

[32:51] the grant stream as we are discussing um

[32:56] is separate to what I would be bringing

[32:58] to the Heritage committee which would be

[33:00] decisions on going forward with

[33:03] modifications to a designated

[33:05] structure which makes sense because this

[33:07] doesn't

[33:10] Okay council

[33:12] chambers thank you Mr uh chairman

[33:15] wouldn't it make a lot of sense is to

[33:17] withdraw the motion which en covers the

[33:18] whole process and just move a motion uh

[33:23] requesting a staff uh report on the

[33:26] issue be presented at their next meeting

[33:29] and then all the information all the

[33:31] requests can be Consolidated into

[33:33] something and then we can deal with

[33:35] it but to defer the motion which we've

[33:38] already heard is not going to uh work

[33:43] because the mayor is unwilling to carry

[33:45] out what the motion says and now let's

[33:47] just withdraw the motion which either

[33:50] that or defeat the motion and ask the

[33:53] staff to bring a report at our next

[33:55] meeting then we're not deferring

[33:56] anything we're just moving forward and

[33:58] getting the problem solved as fast as we

[34:01] can Council

[34:03] mine I'd be okay with that okay second's

[34:07] good to withdraw second sorry okay

[34:12] so the Motions been

[34:14] withdrawed councilor

[34:17] Chambers I will move that the report the

[34:20] delegation uh be received and request a

[34:23] report from staff to be presented on

[34:25] resolving the issue at our next meeting

[34:28] there Bailey seconds that so everybody

[34:31] understands where we're going here

[34:33] correct

[34:36] questions all in

[34:38] favor opposed that is

[34:42] carried okay thank you I think in a

[34:44] roundabout way we're going to get where

[34:45] where we want to go here

[34:50] so okay moving on to section five

[34:53] adoption of the minutes from the

[34:54] previous minute can I get a mover

[34:56] Council Oakley

[34:58] second councelor Kyle questions on the

[35:02] minutes seeing none all in

[35:05] favor opposed that is carried any

[35:09] business arising from those

[35:12] minutes councilor

[35:14] Miller thank you Mr chair and from a

[35:18] question I asked about Cleaver R Cleaver

[35:20] Road Bridge um we were looking that have

[35:22] been public

[35:23] engagement uh this quarter um at least

[35:27] and that's what I tell people told a lot

[35:30] of people I haven't heard anything do we

[35:31] have an update on

[35:35] that Mr Walton in the back you able to

[35:38] come forward

[36:06] Miller which thank you which is fine

[36:09] it's just I last time I was told this

[36:11] quarter so that's what I tell people so

[36:14] I don't care when sooner is better than

[36:16] later but if it's it's first quarter

[36:18] 2025 can I tell people that when they

[36:20] call me and ask me which they are

[36:22] calling me and asking

[36:24] me okay

[36:33] yeah okay thank you anything else

[36:37] business arising from those

[36:39] minutes okay seeing none uh moving on

[36:42] consent items to be approved we've got

[36:44] we got a few of them in here um so we'll

[36:47] go 7.1.1 rp-0 49424 Source water

[36:52] protection plan can I get a

[36:55] mover councelor Coleman councelor Bell

[36:58] questions councilor

[37:00] Miller thank you Mr chair

[37:03] um the area that branford's uh this is

[37:08] applied to I I tried to find that not in

[37:10] the report I went to the supplements I

[37:13] think it's in the Oak Park area but I

[37:14] don't yeah I suspect so but um I wonder

[37:18] if the author could uh Enlighten us on

[37:20] this and then one other question

[37:23] Mr through you chair uh the intake

[37:27] protections zone two in the county of

[37:28] brand is the Oak Park area and also

[37:31] along the r River here in

[37:33] Paris okay um question maybe more

[37:37] generally

[37:38] um we have Source water protection and

[37:42] and I know how we deal it with it when

[37:43] it's within our own municipality when

[37:45] it's in another municipality in this

[37:47] case Branford for us um and they have a

[37:51] a planing application and they're

[37:52] putting up whatever they put up a gas

[37:55] station a new industry

[37:57] what's the process for us giving input

[37:59] on that to make sure that it's not that

[38:03] the site plan is is doing what or is

[38:06] written up the way it should be written

[38:07] up do we do we give input on that what's

[38:10] the process for

[38:11] that through you chair to councelor

[38:14] Miller um so properties within the

[38:16] county of Brant will be managed through

[38:18] the County's development application

[38:20] process um although we are supporting

[38:23] the um city of branford's Source water

[38:28] protection updates the policies that our

[38:30] properties will be applied to are the

[38:32] policies that we have for the county of

[38:34] BR Source protection plan which we

[38:36] approved in the September uh

[38:39] anal Miller I appreciate the answer but

[38:43] it wasn't the answer I was looking for

[38:46] um when another municipality Branford

[38:50] has a a planning application come

[38:53] forward and it's in our source water

[38:55] protection area what what input how do

[38:59] we give input on that

[39:02] process it's not in the it's it's in

[39:04] another M Val but it's our water intakes

[39:08] over and I could take that in a Friday

[39:10] file if you don't know the answer so I

[39:13] think I'm slightly um I'm not

[39:16] understanding the question uh the county

[39:18] of Brandt wellheads around our Municipal

[39:22] Water don't extend into the city of

[39:24] Branford they don't no so the city of

[39:27] brantford's intake protection Zone

[39:29] because it's a surface water intake

[39:32] extends into the county of brand because

[39:34] of the travel time for the water to get

[39:37] down there so there are situations where

[39:40] our land applications could have a

[39:43] negative impact on the city of

[39:45] branford's intake but we manage that

[39:48] through our

[39:50] policies so reversing that do they do

[39:53] they give input then when we build in

[39:56] their intake

[40:03] through you chair um they endorse our

[40:07] source water protection plan so um we

[40:10] came to admin and Ops in September and

[40:13] our changes to our source water

[40:15] protection policies are out for

[40:17] pre-consultation which includes other

[40:19] municipalities that are affected by

[40:21] those policy changes to have an

[40:23] opportunity to speak to it so they have

[40:26] endorsed our

[40:27] changes okay I gotta leave it that thank

[40:31] you any other

[40:35] questions okay so it's moved and

[40:37] seconded all those in

[40:39] favor opposed that is carried uh 7.1.2

[40:44] which is rpt 0105 d24 uh design Supply

[40:48] delivery installation construction of

[40:50] the MBR system for St George can I get a

[40:52] mover mayor Bailey Council

[40:55] McAlpine questions on

[40:58] that councelor Miller then uh councelor

[41:01] Bell then councelor Miller couple

[41:03] questions um this is coming in almost to

[41:05] the penny 20% over the engineers

[41:08] estimate um can I get a reason as to why

[41:28] to the chair to councelor Miller we did

[41:31] ask our uh Consultants to review in

[41:33] detail and we think that the scope crept

[41:36] a little bit it includes some some

[41:38] different technical technical aspects of

[41:40] that have to tie into the rest of the

[41:42] design so they reviewed the design as it

[41:45] yeah it does make sense along with the

[41:47] market conditions that we know have

[41:49] increased prices in the last few years

[41:52] okay so Mission creep I guess um and and

[41:56] okay maybe the engine Engineers report

[41:57] was a little conservative um you had one

[42:00] bid um now if I go online I look um this

[42:05] MBR technology it is offered by I seen

[42:09] at least several

[42:11] dozen um vendors when you're putting

[42:15] something like that it's do you treat

[42:17] this just like a grass tender in other

[42:19] words you put it up on the site call it

[42:20] a day and whoever bids bids or do you

[42:23] actively go out and seek maybe uh

[42:25] vendors for this technology say hey

[42:28] we're putting this bid out um are you

[42:30] interested in bidding in other words are

[42:32] you doing everything you can to get

[42:34] vendors to bid or you just standard this

[42:38] is what we do call the day through the

[42:40] chair we did have some dialogue with two

[42:42] different vendors who do some work in

[42:44] this area uh most of the the MBR work in

[42:47] Ontario does seem to be offered by

[42:50] violia um but yeah we wanted to promote

[42:53] and encourage uh a better competitive

[42:56] market so we did have some dialog with

[42:58] with another vendor who does work in

[42:59] this area but unfortunately they they

[43:02] didn't submit a bid and we we don't yet

[43:04] know why okay good answer thank you

[43:08] councel Bell yeah thank you Mr chair the

[43:10] same question as Council Miller but I'm

[43:13] a little disappointed we ended up with

[43:15] only one uh one bidder question would

[43:19] use the same technology when we expand

[43:21] the Paris Water Treatment Plant we are

[43:24] looking very seriously at MBR we think

[43:26] it fits very well well with the the

[43:28] Paris expansion it's a serious Contender

[43:30] for the technology y thank you any other

[43:36] questions seeing none all in

[43:39] favor opposed that is

[43:42] carried uh 7.1.3 rp-0

[43:46] 52-24 disposition of surplus lands can I

[43:49] get a

[43:50] mover house councelor

[43:52] Coleman questions councelor Miller think

[43:56] you chair um it doesn't say in the

[43:59] report and that's why I'm asking the

[44:00] question so um What Becomes of the

[44:03] proceeds um do they go into the

[44:06] affordable housing Reserve because this

[44:07] is declared Surplus Lanes or does it go

[44:10] into offsetting the cost of the road

[44:17] project we're g to get that answer

[44:27] through you Mr chair as per the

[44:30] resolution that was passed by Council a

[44:32] portion I think 25% does go into the

[44:34] affordable housing reserve and then the

[44:36] rest will go back to the property

[44:39] Reserve okay thank you

[44:41] H any other

[44:45] questions seeing none I do have a quick

[44:48] one for clarification can somebody

[44:50] explain how County owned land becomes

[44:54] Surplus um is it first of of all does it

[44:57] go to potentially the the joining land

[45:00] owners for first dibs on it um can land

[45:03] owners request County owned land for

[45:06] purchase to be

[45:10] Surplus three you Mr chair um so

[45:13] typically

[45:14] a a parcel like this would be taken

[45:17] through um the senior management team

[45:20] and if there's no uh deemed purpose for

[45:23] operational um or capital projects then

[45:26] um a report would come forward to deem

[45:28] the deem the land Surplus um I don't

[45:31] know if Mr Walton has anything to add

[45:33] but typically that would be our process

[45:36] um again for it to go through all of

[45:38] Senior Management and make sure there

[45:39] are no operational operational or

[45:42] Capital requirements for the

[45:44] land okay if I could just uh expand on

[45:47] that a little bit so the not this

[45:49] particular property but what if there

[45:51] was a property out there that was um

[45:54] County owned um would somebody be able

[45:58] to approach the county to suggest

[46:00] purchase of that

[46:04] property through you Mr chair um we do

[46:08] occasionally it doesn't happen very

[46:09] often but we can um we do get

[46:12] unsolicited um request to purchase and

[46:15] again that would um come through a staff

[46:16] report to councel if it was an

[46:18] unsolicited um request to purchase and

[46:21] who might one have to contact in order

[46:23] to do that unsolicited

[46:27] through you Mr chair um it can go

[46:29] through any number of methods typically

[46:31] the staff person they've been dealing

[46:32] with or they come directly to me and I

[46:34] distribute staff okay thank

[46:38] you

[46:40] okay no other questions on that one oh

[46:43] mayor Bailey through you um Mr chair to

[46:47] staff would neighbors of that excess Pro

[46:50] have first refusal on it would we bring

[46:53] in a third person if we didn't need to

[46:58] through you Mr chair um we don't have a

[47:00] policy for first R ref first R refusal

[47:03] um but certainly adjacent land owners

[47:06] would be aware that it was being

[47:08] surplused or would they just be aware

[47:10] that it sold to someone

[47:14] else you Mr chair it would go through a

[47:16] public process so they would have the

[47:18] same opportunity as anyone else um if

[47:21] they would like to but we don't have a

[47:22] policy for first spr of refusal on

[47:25] it maybe we should

[47:27] thank

[47:29] you okay seeing no other questions all

[47:32] those in

[47:34] favor opposed that is

[47:37] carried uh 7.1.4 which is rp-0 21424

[47:42] entrance bylaw repeal and replace I'm

[47:45] going to move

[47:47] her councelor Oakley councelor Kyle

[47:51] questions councelor Miller your day um

[47:56] there there's a there's a a variety of

[47:57] reasons uh somebody needs a permit uh an

[48:01] entranceway permit whether it's a new

[48:02] permit or they're doing

[48:05] changes like Paving but also included in

[48:08] there is repave I was kind of surprised

[48:10] at that why is repave need a

[48:15] permit through the chair um some minp

[48:19] polities we we've researched all of

[48:21] these things and some municipalities

[48:23] have it some don't why we have it and

[48:26] why it works for the County of Brandt is

[48:28] we are able to you've seen a lot in the

[48:30] news where uh residents get ripped off

[48:33] by unscrupulous ashall companies this

[48:37] way we are kind of protecting our

[48:39] residents by knowing what's being done

[48:42] and who's in town working and then also

[48:46] uh when repaving takes place uh we want

[48:50] to know what's taken place because

[48:51] sometimes people take it upon themselves

[48:53] to start widening their driveways

[48:56] without going through the application

[48:57] process so it's a small fee staff do the

[49:00] followup and then staff also uh are

[49:03] monitoring who's in town working and

[49:05] who's

[49:08] not okay fair enough um is it the same

[49:11] fee as if I'm putting in a brand

[49:15] new uh through the uh chair no I do not

[49:19] believe it is it's it's it's a much

[49:20] smaller fee it's that fee for repaving

[49:23] we have not uh increased it many many

[49:27] years um it's a placeholder and it's

[49:29] just to cover our administrative

[49:32] costs and then the last question I have

[49:35] I don't know if you can answer maybe um

[49:38] I'm reading the reading the

[49:40] bylaw and it talks about uh granny Suite

[49:43] so granny Suites uh they can have their

[49:46] own entrance which is fine arus I I'm

[49:49] was surprised the arus are not in this

[49:52] policy now I read the next report

[49:53] they're in there um I'm just wondering

[49:55] if arus

[49:57] shouldn't be also mentioned in that that

[50:00] arus cannot have their own entrance

[50:03] that's just I don't know

[50:06] if if the author has any thoughts on

[50:10] that uh through the chair uh we did have

[50:14] um discussions about that and we were

[50:16] trying to make the aru kind of a

[50:18] standalone policy um but uh we can take

[50:21] it back for future considerations if

[50:23] there's updates done in the in the

[50:25] future just a thought again

[50:27] because I'm looking for theu and I

[50:29] didn't see it in there so but okay I'll

[50:31] leave it at that thank you councel

[50:34] house thank you Mr J this uh this is a

[50:37] comment rather than a question is that

[50:39] all right okay and not specific to Greg

[50:42] actually but but more to sta in general

[50:45] the this report included a copy of

[50:49] Brandon Court's uh report from January

[50:53] 2023 which is almost two years ago um um

[50:57] about residential parking and and it

[51:01] prompted me to be thinking about some of

[51:02] the recent conversations that we've been

[51:04] having at Council and illustrations that

[51:07] councelor Bell provided about long

[51:09] vehicles on short driveways and and I

[51:12] was reading through this that that

[51:14] report from two years ago and and I

[51:16] think it references a a minimum 19 foot

[51:20] driveway

[51:22] recommendation and then I Pard me did a

[51:25] quick Google on how long is a for def

[51:28] 150 or a Dodge Ram King Cab and you know

[51:32] they're they're more than 21 feet long

[51:34] and and I I and the other thing

[51:37] that was jumped out at me in in that

[51:39] older report was it references the fact

[51:43] that um there's a Bo there's at least a

[51:46] fiveyear lag between policies that we

[51:50] make and when they actually impact the

[51:53] way houses are built in this community

[51:57] and I and I I just my comment is related

[52:01] to all of that I sincerely hope that we

[52:05] are uh initiating some new uh new

[52:10] policies and and new new ways of looking

[52:12] at how long driveways and their

[52:16] entrances need to be uh for future

[52:20] residential dwellings in this community

[52:22] just a

[52:23] comment thank you for that

[52:26] any other questions

[52:29] comments seeing none all in

[52:32] favor opposed that is

[52:35] carried uh moving on to 7.1.5 rp-0 39824

[52:41] operations policy

[52:43] serving additional AR arus

[52:47] mover council chambers councel Coleman

[52:51] questions council chambers just not a

[52:54] question Mr chairman but a comment and

[52:56] uh it's something that I think uh all of

[53:00] our policies should give consideration

[53:02] to and that's the wording in the

[53:05] policy uh the policy itself seems pretty

[53:08] strict uh

[53:11] one uh the wording that I like is the

[53:14] general manager of operations May

[53:16] provide approval of additional Services

[53:19] per property when adequate justification

[53:21] is provided that means that not

[53:25] everything fits into the same glove

[53:27] there are certain circumstances that may

[53:30] uh require common sense to be used when

[53:32] the policy is being uh put forward and

[53:36] this gives a it's a notwithstanding

[53:38] clause or a loophole uh it gives the

[53:41] general manager uh the authority to use

[53:44] his common sense if justification uh is

[53:49] uh given and it makes sense to have uh

[53:53] go outside of the policy that particular

[53:56] phrase

[53:57] should be in all our

[54:01] policies counc

[54:03] Miller that a

[54:05] motion

[54:07] um the um the policy is saying one

[54:10] hookup for waterways water fair enough

[54:15] um the policy is silent when it's

[54:18] private

[54:19] Services should we be putting anything

[54:21] in there or should we just leave well

[54:23] enough alone and let him decide on a

[54:26] case by case

[54:31] basis oh I think

[54:34] yeah Rob would like to answer

[54:39] this the chair to councelor Miller the

[54:43] issue of private Services would be dealt

[54:44] with through the building code and any

[54:46] issues they had to deal with is

[54:47] approving that under the building code

[54:49] so it is Municipal approval but it's

[54:51] already sort of taken care

[54:53] of Miller just just a follow in

[54:57] I I need you to explain to me how this

[54:59] quite works so um somebody on private

[55:01] Services puts in an

[55:03] aru um when they're looking to site

[55:07] something they they have to um they have

[55:10] to identify where the neighbors Wells

[55:12] are and they're septic and all that

[55:14] correct am I correct on

[55:17] not in other words we're not just

[55:18] looking at their property we got

[55:20] a through the chair to um Council Miller

[55:23] depends on what they're doing if if

[55:25] there if there are building a new septic

[55:27] system yes they do have to identify

[55:29] those things and make sure they have the

[55:30] side packs if they don't have to do

[55:32] anything then then they wouldn't have to

[55:33] do that um so it'll come up through the

[55:36] the the review required on the building

[55:38] code of of what's there as whether or

[55:40] not they have to improve it or not and

[55:42] then and then the other things will

[55:43] follow as per the legislation okay so

[55:46] nothing in the policy which like I say

[55:47] is fine but we it if problems arise it

[55:50] dealt with through the build that's what

[55:51] I need to know okay thank

[55:53] you anybody else

[55:57] seeing none all in

[55:58] favor opposed that is

[56:01] carried uh moving on to 7.1.6 rpt 0492

[56:06] d24 traffic modifications G I get a

[56:08] mover councelor Coleman councel Bell

[56:11] questions counc beld and councel

[56:14] Oakley yeah thank you Mr chair um with

[56:17] respect to the second item which is

[56:19] William Street at West River Street um

[56:22] of course West River Street is getting

[56:23] torn up at the moment but I get um about

[56:26] an email a week um from residents

[56:30] complaining about the that Junction and

[56:34] 90% of the people that write to me say

[56:35] can we make that a four-way stop because

[56:38] that will slow people down on what is

[56:40] becoming a bit of a Rat Run uh in town

[56:45] it's been get more so when we tear up uh

[56:48] Grand River Street there'll be more

[56:49] traffic going that way I think we need

[56:51] to be thoughtful about how we control

[56:53] traffic I've said this before uh and and

[56:56] I think we've made the promise to our

[56:57] residents that we will put extra

[57:00] controls in and this would be one of the

[57:01] extra controls so rather than just

[57:03] having a another East West uh stop sign

[57:07] I'd put in north south north south stop

[57:09] signs as well and I'd be prepared to

[57:11] make a motion to that effect come the

[57:19] time other questions to that oh sorry

[57:22] counc Oley

[57:23] yes um through you to Greg um in regards

[57:27] to the first item am I understanding

[57:29] correctly that this was essentially turn

[57:31] that into an Allway stop there in that

[57:36] intersection yes to the chair sorry uh

[57:38] you're talking about the Joseph Brandt

[57:40] yes yes that that's correct that's uh um

[57:44] was brought to our attention and um it's

[57:48] not a non-typical intersection as you

[57:50] can see by the diagram it almost looked

[57:52] like a connecting lane or link and for

[57:55] many years it did not have a uh stop

[57:58] control there so um it was deficient so

[58:01] that's that's completing the

[58:02] intersection there it will be new but we

[58:05] uh we'll we'll post it so everyone's

[58:07] aware perfect thank you very

[58:10] much other questions to that Circle back

[58:13] to council Bell so uh Mr chair I would

[58:16] like to make a amendment to this

[58:18] recommendation that we make the William

[58:20] Street at West River Street Council Bell

[58:22] sorry I'm going to interrupt you for one

[58:23] second this is just for option for

[58:25] number two right number two okay can I

[58:27] what I'm going to do then is can we pull

[58:29] are you in favor to pull number two

[58:31] we'll get rid of the rest and we'll

[58:32] Circle back to it yep okay so we're

[58:34] going to pull number two which is

[58:36] William Street and West River Street so

[58:37] we're just going to right now uh vote on

[58:40] the approval of number one and number

[58:42] three which is Joseph Branch Street and

[58:44] wh Swan Road okay everybody's clear on

[58:46] that okay so all in favor of one and

[58:50] three opposed okay one and three are

[58:53] carried councelor Bell back to you for

[58:54] number two yeah thank you so I would

[58:56] like to make Amendment to the

[58:59] recommendation has presented rather than

[59:01] being a two-way stop I think I would

[59:04] prefer to see it as a four-way stop in

[59:07] response to the many requests from

[59:09] residents and in the light and in

[59:12] anticipation of the work we're going to

[59:14] do on Grand River Street South uh which

[59:18] will lead to much more traffic on this

[59:20] road and the need for more traffic

[59:22] control I look for somebody to Second

[59:25] mayor Bailey is your second

[59:26] thank you questions on that councelor

[59:28] house then councel Chambers and councel

[59:30] Oakley uh thanks Mr chair through you I

[59:33] guess a couple of questions one to

[59:34] councilor Bell one to Greg uh I'm I'm

[59:38] wondering whether this is intended as a

[59:41] temporary measure during The Big Dig or

[59:43] whether it's it's forever and then I'm

[59:46] also interested in Greg's

[59:48] opinion um and I'm and I'm very

[59:51] respectful of of the fact that it will

[59:54] be uh that it has been been a a rat run

[59:57] and I love it when you say that um but

[1:00:00] the the

[1:00:02] uh there that means there'll there'll

[1:00:07] be multiple stop signs on West River

[1:00:11] Street from its Southmost Point down by

[1:00:15] Lions Park all the way up to the old

[1:00:18] penman's building and I'm I'm just

[1:00:20] wondering Greg's opinion from his

[1:00:24] expertise on on that many stop signs in

[1:00:28] that space thanks

[1:00:32] Greg yes through the chair um we can

[1:00:36] definitely carry out whatever Council uh

[1:00:38] wishes I'd like to see that right off

[1:00:41] the Hop uh we have looked at this

[1:00:42] intersection many times and looked at

[1:00:44] the warrants the warrants aren't there

[1:00:47] um because you're looking at

[1:00:48] intersecting traffic flows uh stop signs

[1:00:51] do not work as traffic calming um we'll

[1:00:55] put in a stop sign there and then the

[1:00:57] same residents are going to call us and

[1:00:58] tell us that people aren't stopping at

[1:01:00] the stop sign because there's not enough

[1:01:02] traffic queuing on those side roads to

[1:01:05] indicate for people to stop busy

[1:01:08] intersections require four-way stops and

[1:01:11] the indicator to stop is because as you

[1:01:13] approach it you see cars there when you

[1:01:15] start seeing intersections where

[1:01:17] typically you're using every day and you

[1:01:19] don't see a lot of traffic there people

[1:01:21] don't stop I think the county um we've

[1:01:25] we've depleted the brand safe Street's

[1:01:27] budget year after year since it's been

[1:01:29] provided by Council I think um in this

[1:01:32] scenario that we we uh Implement more

[1:01:35] traffic calming in the area if if it's

[1:01:37] traffic calming that uh is the desired

[1:01:40] effect which I I believe it is but um

[1:01:43] that's my only concern about putting in

[1:01:45] stop signs where they're not warranted

[1:01:47] they lead to other

[1:01:51] issues council

[1:01:53] chambers just uh know disagree maybe

[1:01:57] that four-way stop would be good but I'm

[1:01:59] not the expert and we have invested a

[1:02:02] lot of money in Branch Safe Streets that

[1:02:04] look at these intersections and look at

[1:02:06] every intersection and uh use uh science

[1:02:11] if you want rather than

[1:02:13] political uh um Direction so I'm not

[1:02:17] going to support the recommendation I'm

[1:02:18] going to I'm not going to support the

[1:02:21] resolution I am going to support the

[1:02:23] brand safe Street's recommendation

[1:02:26] uh I have been asked many many times for

[1:02:29] four-way stops in the village of

[1:02:31] Scotland berford and everywhere else for

[1:02:34] that matter and I've always relied on

[1:02:36] the experts to tell me whether they're

[1:02:37] warranted or not and in this case we've

[1:02:41] just heard that a forway stop is not

[1:02:43] warranted so if it is not warranted then

[1:02:46] I'm not going to support

[1:02:48] it councel O then councelor Bell um

[1:02:52] through you Mr chair um councelor house

[1:02:54] and counc Lely said what I wanted to say

[1:02:57] but I'll just also add on there that um

[1:03:00] you know I think the bran Safe Streets

[1:03:02] is is the way to take this and I think

[1:03:04] if we're constantly running out of our

[1:03:05] budget each year and one of the things I

[1:03:06] hear constantly about that program is um

[1:03:09] that people want to see more out of it

[1:03:10] perhaps that means that budget or that

[1:03:12] program needs a bit more budget to it

[1:03:15] so counc Bill yeah uh thank you I have

[1:03:18] two comments um one is that may not be

[1:03:23] warranted today but the minute we start

[1:03:26] diverting traffic off West River off

[1:03:28] Grand River Street we're going to change

[1:03:31] the traffic volumes considerably so you

[1:03:35] recognizing exactly what council of

[1:03:37] chamber says I'd appreciate that if we

[1:03:39] could run the calculations on the basis

[1:03:41] that traffic that normally goes through

[1:03:43] Grand River Street is going through West

[1:03:45] River Street and see whether it's still

[1:03:46] warranted or not but even beyond that I

[1:03:49] think we've made a commitment to our

[1:03:52] residents of West River Street that we

[1:03:54] will control that traffic

[1:03:56] During the period at least when we're

[1:03:58] digging up the road and I think what H

[1:04:00] what will happen is that people will

[1:04:02] actually become quite comfortable with

[1:04:04] that by bypass and it becomes actually

[1:04:08] not the the bypass but it becomes the

[1:04:11] road so second second point the we just

[1:04:15] three minutes ago approved a junction of

[1:04:20] Joseph Brown Street M Holland Street I

[1:04:23] cannot believe because I walk that way

[1:04:25] every day

[1:04:26] that that would warrant and always stop

[1:04:29] and across there would not I I I'm

[1:04:32] completely lost in terms of the

[1:04:36] justification through the chair I can uh

[1:04:39] I can explain that so if you look at the

[1:04:41] diagram there's only one stop sign at

[1:04:44] that location so everyone has free

[1:04:46] movement there there's not there's not a

[1:04:49] control so people can legally turn into

[1:04:52] someone's

[1:04:53] path where the others section you have a

[1:04:56] two-way stop the One Stop was missing so

[1:05:00] that's why we're putting it in there

[1:05:01] it's a cleanup it's the same scenario so

[1:05:04] you now have the intersecting roads you

[1:05:06] have a stop on both sides and you have

[1:05:08] free flow here you only have one one

[1:05:11] stop sign and there's three entrances to

[1:05:14] this intersection so that's that's the

[1:05:17] issue there's stop controls

[1:05:19] missing it defies Common Sense Greg

[1:05:22] sorry I Walk This Road almost every day

[1:05:26] I see virtually no traffic Lucas lives

[1:05:28] on the corner he probably can testify to

[1:05:30] the volumes of traffic contrast that

[1:05:33] with West River Street there's a just a

[1:05:35] two three orders of magnitude difference

[1:05:38] and if you look at West River Street now

[1:05:41] people come down

[1:05:42] from the the railway line and they're

[1:05:45] actually coming down a hill at that

[1:05:46] point so there's a double issue there

[1:05:49] people are actually speeding up as you

[1:05:51] go down that hill so I I accept that it

[1:05:54] may not be technically warranted but

[1:05:56] Common Sense should Prevail in this case

[1:05:59] and I I will keep my motion on the

[1:06:03] floor any other

[1:06:08] questions Okay so we've got a motion on

[1:06:10] the floor seconded to make that a

[1:06:13] four-way stop at West River and William

[1:06:17] no more further questions all in favor

[1:06:19] of the motion

[1:06:30] opposed guess that's

[1:06:33] a motion is carried six to

[1:06:39] five councilor

[1:06:42] Chambers would it be in order for me to

[1:06:44] uh move that a four-way stop be placed

[1:06:48] at intersection in Scotland which has

[1:06:50] been requested many times but turned

[1:06:52] down because it has not been warranted

[1:06:54] would you entertain a at this time to do

[1:06:57] that there's also a situation in bford

[1:07:00] that has not been warranted but has been

[1:07:02] requested by me many times for it to be

[1:07:04] a four-way stop my point is are we now

[1:07:07] going to uh move into the realm of

[1:07:11] wherever what is brought to us we ignore

[1:07:14] Safe Streets that we've invested all

[1:07:16] kinds of money in and uh rely on Experts

[1:07:19] to inform us uh now we're going to go

[1:07:23] with what we think we call Common Sense

[1:07:26] be prepared for a few motions to come

[1:07:28] forward at our next meeting for four-way

[1:07:30] stops in various situations throughout

[1:07:31] the

[1:07:32] county I I think I appreciate what

[1:07:35] you're saying councilor Chambers but I

[1:07:36] think also with this one here there's

[1:07:37] the addition of the fact that we did say

[1:07:40] when Grand River Street is closed all

[1:07:42] the traffic is going to reroute that way

[1:07:44] and I think this is a preemptive

[1:07:45] medicine for that and uh if you want to

[1:07:48] bring your motions you're totally free

[1:07:50] to bring your motions so by understand

[1:07:52] this is a temporary four-way stop while

[1:07:54] the Dig is being done no so it's a

[1:07:57] permanent forway

[1:08:00] stop okay moving on uh

[1:08:04] 7.1.7 uh rpt 0521 d24 2025 fees and

[1:08:09] charges can I get a

[1:08:12] move councilor McAlpine councelor Kyle

[1:08:17] questions councelor Miller the fees

[1:08:20] themselves um a lot of them are cost

[1:08:24] recovery some we try and U promote or

[1:08:28] discourage a certain

[1:08:30] Behavior other times we're looking at

[1:08:32] and we take into consideration what

[1:08:34] other municipalities are charging

[1:08:37] especially around facilities um when

[1:08:40] we're trying to promote an

[1:08:42] activity um one of the things I think

[1:08:44] about is uh maybe

[1:08:47] recycling was there any thoughts given

[1:08:49] to not raising the blue box

[1:08:54] price who can comment on

[1:09:11] that Andrew yep through you chair um

[1:09:14] with the blue box transition and the

[1:09:16] changes to the regulations the support

[1:09:19] and distribution of blue boxes is going

[1:09:22] to be done through the province in SEO

[1:09:25] um

[1:09:25] I understand what you're saying and we

[1:09:27] can take that back uh the idea is um

[1:09:30] over the short term to continue making

[1:09:32] it easy for residents to move through

[1:09:34] the transition um and figuring out how

[1:09:37] best to do that moving forward counc

[1:09:40] Miller that follow up with Andrew and

[1:09:42] then one more question um just uh so so

[1:09:44] so along those lines um did uh I could

[1:09:47] have asked the same thing about

[1:09:48] composters um again raise the fees we're

[1:09:52] trying to save that landfill as best we

[1:09:54] can um did you have input Andre into

[1:09:57] those fees and and like you say did you

[1:10:00] look at them think well are they the

[1:10:03] best idea y through you chair we were uh

[1:10:06] it's not a money making on these it's

[1:10:07] just Cost recovery so I mean again we

[1:10:10] could look at lowering those fees to

[1:10:12] encourage it um to encourage the use um

[1:10:15] then we would have to find a way to

[1:10:17] subsidize yeah it would be part of a

[1:10:19] larger strategy but like I said I don't

[1:10:21] I just it just I was looking

[1:10:24] at it says in the report you try and

[1:10:26] encourage certain behavior and

[1:10:28] discourage others so and then the second

[1:10:30] question um again cost

[1:10:32] recovery and I I'll just pull one out um

[1:10:37] I was asked about it specifically and

[1:10:38] that say uh for a liquor license permit

[1:10:42] uh we're going from 142 plus

[1:10:45] 149 something like that an agency letter

[1:10:47] for liquor license what would that

[1:10:50] entail as far staff time that it needs

[1:10:52] to be charged

[1:10:53] $149 is St able to answer that very

[1:10:56] specific question or not

[1:11:01] today and there's about 50 others I

[1:11:04] could pull out and say what how much

[1:11:05] staff time does it take to do that so

[1:11:09] I'm sorry are we talking the liquor

[1:11:11] license yeah uh page 152 of our report

[1:11:14] so it's it's not just the letter it's

[1:11:16] the letter plus uh building and fire

[1:11:19] both do a an inspection so it's two

[1:11:22] inspections plus the municipal letter um

[1:11:25] that go into that

[1:11:26] fee okay so I suspect they don't go out

[1:11:30] to the same building time after time if

[1:11:33] it's a same facility asking for the

[1:11:35] license it's only when they're doing a

[1:11:37] permanent license so like um like

[1:11:39] temporary licenses temporary Le license

[1:11:41] or like one-time event licenses don't

[1:11:44] have that fee it's just when they need

[1:11:46] an actual letter from municipality that

[1:11:48] says fire signed off um the Count's okay

[1:11:52] with it and and building that's when we

[1:11:54] we charge that and it's mostly the

[1:11:56] inspection fees okay thank

[1:12:00] you any other questions on that

[1:12:04] report seeing none all in

[1:12:08] favor opposed that is

[1:12:11] carried uh 7.1.0 rpt 0345 d24 contract

[1:12:17] extension for water and wastewater

[1:12:18] Billing Services can I get a mover mayor

[1:12:20] Bailey

[1:12:22] seconder councelor Kyle questions

[1:12:29] seeing none all in

[1:12:31] favor opposed that is

[1:12:36] carried uh final one

[1:12:38] rp-50 3-24 the 2025 Paramedic Services

[1:12:42] budget can I get a mover councelor

[1:12:45] Coleman councel Oakley questions Council

[1:12:49] B yeah thank you Mr chair first of all a

[1:12:52] comment um we're seeing

[1:12:56] 18.6% change in in the budget from last

[1:13:00] year a lot of that's driven by

[1:13:03] additional ambulance and I noticed in

[1:13:06] the capital forecast every couple of

[1:13:09] years we're going to add an ambulance

[1:13:11] but it's not just adding an ambulance

[1:13:13] it's adding the crew that goes with the

[1:13:15] amb ambulance so can we anticipate that

[1:13:18] we will see

[1:13:20] significant uh percentage increases in

[1:13:22] in budget every second year from now on

[1:13:26] um it's it's not necessarily when you

[1:13:28] replace an ambulance you add staff as

[1:13:30] well is there's an additional ambulance

[1:13:32] coming on board then then then these are

[1:13:35] additional these are additional every

[1:13:36] two years is's an additional ambulance

[1:13:39] coming there's Replacements and there's

[1:13:41] additionals these are additionals okay

[1:13:47] Cindy uh through the

[1:13:50] chair um so the I guess the ambulance

[1:13:54] strategic action plan that was done back

[1:13:56] in 2016 did

[1:13:58] recommend based on forecasting of um

[1:14:02] call projections that a 12-hour

[1:14:05] ambulance be placed on every two years

[1:14:08] um so that is what is Cap uh a new study

[1:14:14] um because that study has sort of now

[1:14:18] expired and um conditions have changed

[1:14:21] um so whatever comes back from that will

[1:14:25] probably adjust the future Capital

[1:14:28] forecast and um what our sort of

[1:14:32] capacity and resource requirements will

[1:14:34] be for the next five to 10

[1:14:37] years thank you but to be clear Cindy

[1:14:40] when we get a new

[1:14:41] ambulance what's the what is the crew

[1:14:44] implication of that how many people do

[1:14:46] we need additionally to crew another

[1:14:50] ambulance uh through the chair so for

[1:14:53] for 2025 with the 12 hour our ambulance

[1:14:56] um that's a a staff of four

[1:14:58] ft sorry I I missed that four full-time

[1:15:01] equivalent sta four full-time for 12

[1:15:03] hour yeah so every two years we going to

[1:15:05] be adding effectively four full-time

[1:15:07] equivalents and there'll be a trigger

[1:15:09] point where we add another supervisory

[1:15:12] level so my my point is we can expect

[1:15:16] fairly sign fairly significant

[1:15:18] percentage increases on budget every

[1:15:20] second year just because of adding an

[1:15:23] ambulance

[1:15:27] just just an observation I'm I'm not

[1:15:29] doubting I don't think it's a bad thing

[1:15:31] but I will make the point that um

[1:15:35] Paramedic Services is very responsive to

[1:15:39] population

[1:15:40] growth and what I'm seeing in the health

[1:15:43] unit is that they're not and they should

[1:15:46] be and there are other areas that should

[1:15:49] be sensitive to population growth even

[1:15:52] our own stuffing of of the county staff

[1:15:56] has to be in many respects sensitive to

[1:15:59] the growth in population so it's just a

[1:16:02] a warning a notice to us all that as we

[1:16:06] grow then we must expect our budgets to

[1:16:09] grow as well and sometimes they going to

[1:16:11] grow in excess of the increased Revenue

[1:16:14] we get from that increased population

[1:16:16] and this will be one of those examples

[1:16:19] thank

[1:16:21] you councilor Miller just um councilor

[1:16:25] Bell's uh query it's a good query

[1:16:29] um we we we know currently The Paramedic

[1:16:33] Services are over subscribed they're

[1:16:35] over 100% usage um when we add this

[1:16:38] ambulance this half ambulance um we're

[1:16:42] still going to be over 100% so the the

[1:16:46] addition of the ambulances I don't see

[1:16:48] that going away for the next foreseeable

[1:16:50] future now one of the big drivers of

[1:16:52] that is Hospital weight times I think we

[1:16:55] all know that we've discussed it um it

[1:16:57] was at one point the average was 1 hour

[1:17:00] and 6 minutes earlier this year um it's

[1:17:02] the our last report was down to 53

[1:17:04] minutes if we could ever get a handle on

[1:17:07] that where they just come in and drop

[1:17:09] them off we would see our uh our needs

[1:17:12] for amulance drop substantially but it's

[1:17:14] it's an issue we've been fighting we've

[1:17:15] had meetings at various Municipal

[1:17:18] conferences so around this table we're

[1:17:20] not going to solve it we'll work at it

[1:17:22] we'll chip away at it we'll do it with

[1:17:23] other municipalities but unless and

[1:17:25] until that that is drastically affected

[1:17:27] yeah that trajectory for more

[1:17:29] ambulance is not going

[1:17:32] away council chambers just a comment uh

[1:17:35] Mr chairman I find it a little bit

[1:17:37] unusual that The Paramedic Services

[1:17:40] budget which is in excess of almost $30

[1:17:43] million is placed on our agenda as a

[1:17:46] consent

[1:17:47] item I think in the future items such as

[1:17:52] this should be items where we can

[1:17:54] discuss it rather than a consent item

[1:17:57] which we're supposed to just uh if we

[1:18:00] have questions ahead of time ask them

[1:18:02] but otherwise we uh accept them

[1:18:05] similarily truly noted any other

[1:18:09] questions on that

[1:18:11] report all in

[1:18:14] favor opposed that is

[1:18:18] carried okay uh moving on to section 7.2

[1:18:21] consent items to be received does

[1:18:23] anybody want any of those polls

[1:18:26] councelor

[1:18:27] Miller well I wouldn't mind 7.2.1

[1:18:33] pulled

[1:18:36] 7.2.3 okay so that's the annual billing

[1:18:40] statement and the age friendly community

[1:18:44] plan and councelor Bell yours was

[1:18:46] 7.2.1 anybody else want any

[1:18:49] pulled okay so we're going to vote on

[1:18:51] 7.2.2 and 2.4 all those in

[1:18:56] favor

[1:18:57] opposed those are carried 7.2.1

[1:19:00] councelor

[1:19:01] Miller okay just a quick question um

[1:19:04] it's a little bit opaque that report um

[1:19:08] I know we spent almost $6 million in

[1:19:11] 2023 it looks like 2025 is going to be

[1:19:14] $7 million that's a million dollar

[1:19:16] increase from two years ago okay I just

[1:19:19] wonder what did we spend in

[1:19:21] 2024 I just want that percentage and I

[1:19:24] never seen it this

[1:19:27] report anybody have

[1:19:36] that anybody able to get us

[1:19:40] that it must be

[1:19:44] opaque I think we're just looking for it

[1:19:46] right now stand

[1:19:48] by I think Finance is just looking for

[1:19:51] that we don't have like is they

[1:19:52] reconcile at the end of the year so we

[1:19:55] can certainly find what they had

[1:19:56] budgeted for this time for 2024 it's

[1:19:59] just we won't have the final what we

[1:20:01] actually spent in

[1:20:11] 2024 uh through you Mr chair uh for 2024

[1:20:17] we budgeted um five 5, 834000

[1:20:26] okay so just to be clear then we

[1:20:27] budgeted Less in 2024 than what the

[1:20:31] reconciled statement was for 20123 well

[1:20:34] that through Mr chair through the chair

[1:20:36] the 2023 reconciliation just came in

[1:20:40] right as part of this as part of the

[1:20:43] 2025 amount that they're a full year

[1:20:46] behind in the

[1:20:48] reconciliations okay so that's in

[1:20:50] percentage terms

[1:20:52] that's that's quite large then

[1:20:56] yes um

[1:20:58] do what do are we going to investigate

[1:21:02] this in more detail or do we just what

[1:21:05] are we doing are we just receiving it

[1:21:06] and

[1:21:09] taking is there options later on to

[1:21:11] through the budget process to I guess

[1:21:14] deal with that okay counc Bell yeah I

[1:21:18] think Council Mill's got all my

[1:21:19] observations there thank you

[1:21:22] okay nothing else on

[1:21:26] 7.2.1 all in favor

[1:21:30] 7.2.1 opposed that one's carried uh

[1:21:34] 7.2.3 councelor Miller um as far as the

[1:21:37] update goes I appreciate that sar's work

[1:21:40] on that just a quick question um does

[1:21:43] this this can be modified changed over

[1:21:46] time this plan like all plans I think

[1:21:50] it's a

[1:21:53] docum and there's AAS I'm

[1:21:55] asking through the chair yeah this plan

[1:21:58] will be will be modified as we move

[1:22:01] forward oh um and the reason I'm asking

[1:22:04] is is I'm going through it and that's

[1:22:07] it's interesting because Greg demir's

[1:22:08] actually talked about it uh

[1:22:10] scammers if you look talk about seniors

[1:22:13] one of the biggest things that they face

[1:22:15] is scammers and people Target the

[1:22:16] seniors whether it's it's a phone call

[1:22:18] saying I'm your grandson you know I've

[1:22:20] been put in jail um which makes it

[1:22:22] harder for

[1:22:25] real grandchildren that earn jail to get

[1:22:27] help

[1:22:29] um but and then there's a there's a scam

[1:22:32] in Toronto going around they talk about

[1:22:34] it they're show up we're going to do

[1:22:35] your roof and they show pictures of the

[1:22:37] roof it's not even their roof so anyways

[1:22:39] their targets of scamers the only real

[1:22:42] thing we've looked at is uh maybe

[1:22:44] through the elder abuse committee um

[1:22:46] that's the closest thing they they talk

[1:22:48] about scamming but it's a very very

[1:22:50] small part of that with the elder abuse

[1:22:52] committee the elder abuse committee

[1:22:53] deals mainly with um people that they

[1:22:56] know on an ongoing basis whether it's a

[1:22:58] relative whether it's a caregiver so

[1:23:00] forth so um and if you go to Norfolk uh

[1:23:03] they in their um age friendly document

[1:23:07] that they they do put quite a bit of

[1:23:09] emphasis on on scamming and how to

[1:23:11] protect seniors and I'm just I'm going

[1:23:13] to ask is there anything we could do to

[1:23:14] maybe to um to help them out

[1:23:28] on uh through the chair actually yeah we

[1:23:30] work with um that that group very

[1:23:33] closely and we have actually offered

[1:23:35] workshops in the past as they come up um

[1:23:38] through the gr River Council of Aging

[1:23:40] they often do those types of workshops

[1:23:43] and workshop series um so it's just

[1:23:46] basically as requested and we're happy

[1:23:49] to to um communicate back to them and

[1:23:53] maybe we can work on on bringing that

[1:23:55] forward

[1:23:56] again again I I just I think it's a very

[1:23:59] important issue it really is whether

[1:24:01] it's that somebody calling from say

[1:24:03] they're from CRA or you've lost your

[1:24:05] credit card so it's happening so okay

[1:24:07] thank you okay all right uh so we're

[1:24:10] going to vote on 7.1.3 all in

[1:24:14] favor opposed that is carried we are

[1:24:17] going to take a two-minute recess

[1:24:23] here

[1:24:53] e e

[1:28:13] okay uh thank you uh appreciate that

[1:28:16] short break uh we are moving on to staff

[1:28:17] reports uh staff report 8.1 rpt 0483 d24

[1:28:22] councelor garau has a conflict with that

[1:28:24] she has removed herself can I get a m to

[1:28:27] get that on the floor councelor Coleman

[1:28:29] councelor Oakley questions on that

[1:28:35] report counc

[1:28:39] Coman this just surprises the H of me

[1:28:42] that nobody got any questions on this on

[1:28:46] a replacement of 18 vehicles I had

[1:28:48] questions yesterday I did phone Greg he

[1:28:51] give me the answers but I cannot believe

[1:28:53] that 11 or 10 of us sitting here around

[1:28:55] this horse right now has no

[1:28:58] questions councelor Bell you got have a

[1:29:00] question I have a question just to help

[1:29:02] just help Brian out no I I was surprised

[1:29:05] by the scale but my question is did we

[1:29:08] include this in our CAPIC forecast last

[1:29:11] year for 2025 or is this something that

[1:29:14] has come out of the the woodwork during

[1:29:17] the course of this year uh through the

[1:29:19] chair I'd like to start out by answering

[1:29:22] that by thanking the finance

[1:29:24] uh we've been working on this for 10

[1:29:27] years and we actually have a 10-year

[1:29:29] plan so these were already forecasted

[1:29:31] some of these vehicles um were actually

[1:29:34] forecasted last year to be replaced but

[1:29:36] we pushed off replacement at that time

[1:29:38] due to the budgetary concerns so now

[1:29:41] we're playing a little bit of catchup

[1:29:43] but uh something uh when I joined the

[1:29:45] county many years ago I was working with

[1:29:48] all the Heathers and the vanessas over

[1:29:50] in finance and we started talking about

[1:29:53] a 10 10 10 year plan and we and we built

[1:29:55] a 10year plan so the reason why I'm

[1:29:58] bringing the report forward today is um

[1:30:01] this would normally go through the

[1:30:02] budgetary process and because that's

[1:30:04] going to be later in the season I don't

[1:30:06] want to lose the opportunity to place

[1:30:08] the uh vehicle orders because when you

[1:30:11] want a vehicle in 2025 you have to place

[1:30:13] the order in 2024 so um we're finally

[1:30:16] caught up with our

[1:30:18] vehicles um we have uh we've been

[1:30:21] stretching these vehicles and

[1:30:22] repurposing as as much as we can um but

[1:30:26] just for um committees so you're aware

[1:30:30] some of these vehicles date back all the

[1:30:32] way to

[1:30:33] 2006 uh some of these vehicles have in

[1:30:36] excess of 400,000 kilometers on them and

[1:30:39] some of these vehicles are very

[1:30:41] essential to our service where we can't

[1:30:43] have them break down and they're

[1:30:45] starting to show um signs of wear so

[1:30:47] we've done our best to um stretch them

[1:30:51] there's a couple more that we've pushed

[1:30:53] off I know this is a big ask but these

[1:30:56] are essential and we've um talked a lot

[1:30:59] with all the Departments so that uh we

[1:31:02] could we verified that these are needs

[1:31:05] so if I Mr just to be clear and maybe

[1:31:07] it's a question Heather can answer uh

[1:31:10] what did we include in the forecast last

[1:31:13] year for

[1:31:14] 2025 for this this line item and how how

[1:31:18] much different is it

[1:31:24] we're going to get

[1:31:41] that uh through the chair to councelor

[1:31:43] Bell um it is uh a little bit different

[1:31:47] than last year's uh forecast uh because

[1:31:51] we had moved some um

[1:31:54] items from 2024 to

[1:31:57] 2025 um now also the on this report it

[1:32:02] includes uh an ice resurfacer which was

[1:32:06] not on the fleet list last year if

[1:32:08] you're just looking at the fleet list

[1:32:10] but it was in the community services

[1:32:11] list last

[1:32:13] year um and again every year we do look

[1:32:17] at the 10e forecast and we make further

[1:32:19] adjustments to known pricing increases

[1:32:23] um so any know pricing increases would

[1:32:25] have changed um based on what last

[1:32:28] year's forecast had been uh for these

[1:32:32] pieces of

[1:32:33] equipment um so the exact dollar amount

[1:32:38] may not have been in last year's plan

[1:32:42] just due to those changes in the pricing

[1:32:46] increases um now also a few of the a few

[1:32:49] of the pieces of equipment on the list

[1:32:53] um

[1:32:54] one specifically does have some funding

[1:32:56] from development charges uh based on the

[1:32:59] requirement of it being growth related

[1:33:03] um so uh they're not all coming from the

[1:33:08] same funding source hopefully hopefully

[1:33:11] that answered your question so I'm just

[1:33:13] looking for a you know it's a million

[1:33:15] dollars more or it's $500,000 more

[1:33:17] because I guess we when we start our

[1:33:19] budget process we'll start from what we

[1:33:20] spent in 2024 and we had an estimate for

[1:33:24] 2025 which will now be different and

[1:33:26] will reflect you an increase in the

[1:33:28] starting point for

[1:33:31] 2025 Sor I'm just going to see if I can

[1:33:34] very quickly open what the capital

[1:33:35] forecast was for last

[1:33:39] year uh for Fleet

[1:33:42] specifically now again because the icer

[1:33:44] surfacer wasn't in the fleet section my

[1:33:47] total might be a little bit different

[1:33:54] so the grand total that we had in the

[1:33:58] fleet

[1:33:59] forecast uh presented last year was 3,

[1:34:04] 302,000 so then if you add the ice

[1:34:06] resurfacer into that it was pretty close

[1:34:10] yep good Enzo thank you yeah councilor

[1:34:14] Miller yeah thank you Mr chair um got a

[1:34:18] lot of supplemental information from the

[1:34:20] questions councelor Coleman asked

[1:34:21] yesterday but just um I understand why

[1:34:25] you're bringing this forward today for a

[1:34:27] large friend end loader or a nice

[1:34:30] resurfacer my question is um why the

[1:34:32] pickup trucks why the SUV

[1:34:35] hybrid

[1:34:37] great through the chair because it's

[1:34:39] time for replacement and as I said uh

[1:34:42] some of those Vehicles like one of those

[1:34:43] is a 2006 we can't use it anymore and if

[1:34:46] we want the vehicles replaced in 2025 um

[1:34:49] we need to place the orders um when

[1:34:52] municipalities Buy uh Vehicles there's

[1:34:55] an ordering window it's called and the

[1:34:57] the vehicles are placed in that ordering

[1:34:59] queue if we don't get into that queue

[1:35:01] then we don't get our vehicles and

[1:35:03] that's one of the things that a lot of

[1:35:05] municipalities are struggling with okay

[1:35:08] um it must be different than for an

[1:35:10] individual because I could go in

[1:35:12] tomorrow and buy a pickup truck right uh

[1:35:15] through the chair that is correct but

[1:35:17] you'll pay 20 30,000 $440,000 sometimes

[1:35:21] more than what a municipality will pay

[1:35:23] for a truck because when they do a run

[1:35:26] of vehicles they'll run like Municipal

[1:35:29] orders all at the same time okay yeah

[1:35:31] and I did not know that until okay thank

[1:35:33] you that's good good

[1:35:35] information council chambers I'm trying

[1:35:38] to think of a question just to uh mify C

[1:35:42] so my question is if it if

[1:35:44] municipalities get trucks 20 or $30,000

[1:35:46] less than what I can is there any way

[1:35:49] that I

[1:35:51] can because I've got a 2 three Dodge Ram

[1:35:54] that isn't worth anything and it's

[1:35:55] falling apart through the chair when I

[1:35:58] can figure that out for myself I will

[1:36:00] share that for you and I hope that

[1:36:02] satisfies the councelor Coleman for the

[1:36:04] for the question mayor Bailey uh I want

[1:36:07] to ask a question too because I feel

[1:36:09] like I should have paying more attention

[1:36:10] but since it's not really my business to

[1:36:12] know whether they're Fords or chevs I

[1:36:14] was just wondering whether the ice

[1:36:16] resurfacer was is zambron or something

[1:36:20] else uh through the chair um no I uh

[1:36:24] it's not because through the purchasing

[1:36:26] policy we have to um go out for an ice

[1:36:30] resurfacer and as Amon is actually a

[1:36:32] trademark or name of a particular

[1:36:35] unit a local a local name that supports

[1:36:39] the community in big

[1:36:40] ways okay that's fine thank

[1:36:44] you any other

[1:36:47] questions okay um just I have one

[1:36:51] question here so these are all

[1:36:52] replacements

[1:36:54] what do we do with the other ones do we

[1:36:55] sell

[1:36:57] them might be looking for a front-end

[1:37:03] loader so um through the chair so

[1:37:06] depending on what what we're replacing

[1:37:08] here when the tenders goes out um like

[1:37:10] the front end loader what we would do is

[1:37:12] put that out and then ask for a tradein

[1:37:15] give us some tradein values on the

[1:37:18] pickup trucks we send those to auction

[1:37:20] so that um the community if they they

[1:37:23] wish to purchase something um they have

[1:37:26] the same opportunity as anyone else okay

[1:37:28] no it's interesting because that's the

[1:37:29] ones I was talking with the front end

[1:37:30] loaders and stuff like that the bigger

[1:37:31] item so it's good to know that it's a

[1:37:33] trade in okay and there's a truck there

[1:37:35] for councelor Chambers

[1:37:37] perfect any other

[1:37:40] questions seeing none are you satisfied

[1:37:43] councelor Coleman excellent all those in

[1:37:47] favor opposed that is carried okay

[1:37:51] councelor garno is going to rejoin us

[1:37:52] here

[1:37:55] and we will move on to 8.2 which is rpt

[1:37:58] 0482 d24 Staffing for automated speed

[1:38:02] enforcements can I get a mover councelor

[1:38:05] Oakley councelor

[1:38:07] Kyle

[1:38:12] questions councilor

[1:38:16] Chambers um if if I understand this

[1:38:19] correctly I've read the report I'm

[1:38:20] trying to remember back when we first

[1:38:22] talked about this was this factored in

[1:38:24] that we need two additional employees

[1:38:27] for One camera and if we have another

[1:38:30] camera that's two more

[1:38:33] and I'm just I'm I'm kind of blown away

[1:38:37] by this to tell you the truth U and is

[1:38:41] there cost recovery to recover this uh

[1:38:45] and my other question would be uh why

[1:38:48] can't this wait to be a

[1:38:51] a a budget issue or is it uh does it

[1:38:57] render the speed camera inoperable if we

[1:39:00] don't have the people to do

[1:39:03] this up through the chair to councelor

[1:39:06] chers so there there is a a basic

[1:39:09] formula that we are using based on the

[1:39:10] experience from other municipalities um

[1:39:13] if you recall in the previous report

[1:39:14] from September we had high compliance

[1:39:16] and low compliance rates um what we're

[1:39:18] doing with this exercise here is we

[1:39:20] believe that it's going to be um we're

[1:39:22] still going to have a Surplus with the

[1:39:24] first

[1:39:26] camera um and then we're going to hire

[1:39:28] accordingly um as we we require

[1:39:31] additional staff uh so we're going to

[1:39:33] monitor the numbers we do have some

[1:39:35] numbers for the second and third camera

[1:39:37] I can tell you one of the locations the

[1:39:39] the data is very very high um so likely

[1:39:43] when we we come into the second camera

[1:39:45] we're probably going to ask for

[1:39:46] additional staff these two staff here to

[1:39:49] launch the program I think initially

[1:39:51] we're going to uh recruit for a

[1:39:53] screening officer uh my understanding is

[1:39:56] that the onset of this program when you

[1:39:58] when you launch it you may get a lot of

[1:40:00] screenings um we're doing some work uh

[1:40:02] some policy work in the background where

[1:40:04] we're trying to alleviate some of these

[1:40:06] screenings but anecdotally uh the

[1:40:08] experience in another municipality that

[1:40:10] is doing um automated speed

[1:40:13] enforcement um through the

[1:40:14] administrative penalty system is they

[1:40:16] received about 400 screening requests uh

[1:40:20] in the first

[1:40:21] quarter so we're trying to position

[1:40:23] position ourselves where we're not going

[1:40:24] to get that many screenings um but the

[1:40:27] possibility is there so we want to have

[1:40:29] somebody in place to run those

[1:40:30] screenings we do have staff right now

[1:40:32] that are trained we have two uh officers

[1:40:35] uh Municipal Law Enforcement Officers

[1:40:37] but they're uh they've received a

[1:40:39] designation uh through the ministry they

[1:40:41] they've taken some training so they are

[1:40:43] provincial offenses officers so we're

[1:40:45] trying to delay hiring uh another

[1:40:47] provincial offenses officer until we

[1:40:49] start rolling out more cameras and the

[1:40:51] demand is there so we want to be

[1:40:53] prepared for you know the influx of of

[1:40:55] penalty notices or penalty orders that

[1:40:57] we get um so we're just taking a

[1:41:00] cautious approach and and you know

[1:41:01] putting it on the radar that we're going

[1:41:02] to need to hire some staff we do have

[1:41:04] two staff that we're requesting right

[1:41:06] now just to launch the

[1:41:08] program council

[1:41:11] chambers yeah I understand that I I just

[1:41:13] what's going through my mind is is it

[1:41:15] more practical and and um uh to rather

[1:41:20] than hire staff to look at paperwork

[1:41:23] than hire additional police officers

[1:41:26] that would enforce speeding all over the

[1:41:29] county rather than 100 yards in front of

[1:41:32] a particular location uh as like that's

[1:41:35] a lot of money to uh invest in speed uh

[1:41:41] control in one particular spot in the

[1:41:44] county and I'm just I I'm waiting for

[1:41:48] the review of this after a year to see

[1:41:50] whether it is indeed uh uh worth uh the

[1:41:54] investment that we're putting into it to

[1:41:56] control speeding in 100 yards uh of the

[1:42:01] county when perhaps the funds could be

[1:42:05] spent and uh hiring additional uh police

[1:42:09] officers that would Patrol the entire

[1:42:11] County and maybe do as as much good for

[1:42:14] the cause of reducing speeding in the

[1:42:18] county any other

[1:42:20] questions councelor Kyle and councelor

[1:42:22] meline thanks Mr chair through you to

[1:42:24] Greg Greg um and I probably should know

[1:42:26] the answer to this question but what

[1:42:28] exactly is the screening officer

[1:42:31] screening uh through the chair so uh

[1:42:34] essentially when somebody receives a

[1:42:35] penalty order there's a two-stage

[1:42:37] process where somebody can appeal uh

[1:42:39] it's legislated under the highway

[1:42:40] traffic Act and the regulations for

[1:42:42] automated speed enforcement so the first

[1:42:44] step would be a screening officer where

[1:42:45] they would um request a screening from

[1:42:48] um the officer um that would be a

[1:42:51] Municipal Employee um that person would

[1:42:54] basically review the penalty order under

[1:42:56] specific parameters um as we're

[1:42:58] developing the policy those parameters

[1:43:00] are going to be public facing um and

[1:43:03] then they're going to they can make a

[1:43:05] decision at that point whether to

[1:43:06] confirm the penalty notice they can vary

[1:43:08] it um they can extend a payment plan or

[1:43:10] they can quash it um so we are trying to

[1:43:14] do some policy work on the front end

[1:43:16] just so that the public is aware so we

[1:43:18] don't get an influx of screenings for

[1:43:20] for people that are used to the court

[1:43:22] system where you know if they appear

[1:43:23] before court they can ask for a

[1:43:25] reduction automatically and often times

[1:43:27] it's granted um I don't think that

[1:43:29] that's that's our position we don't want

[1:43:31] to get inated with screening

[1:43:35] requests counc

[1:43:39] meline so I think he kind of alluded to

[1:43:42] this but I'm not 100% sure clear on um

[1:43:45] we're supposed to have the cameras in

[1:43:47] place for a trial period before we

[1:43:49] actually start um sending the tickets so

[1:43:54] we're in that trial phase now is the

[1:43:56] camera in place uh through the chair

[1:43:59] yeah so the camera is in place it was uh

[1:44:02] uh put in place onor about October 1st

[1:44:05] um so it is gathering data um we are we

[1:44:07] are seeing some you know based on the

[1:44:09] threshold that's been set we are seeing

[1:44:11] some pretty significant numbers um I

[1:44:14] think for the first month we're at about

[1:44:15] 40 4700 uh penalty

[1:44:18] notices um and for this month we're at

[1:44:20] about

[1:44:21] 2200 um now that's based on you know the

[1:44:24] data that we we've set the Threshold at

[1:44:27] um when we go live we do expect that you

[1:44:30] know that may decrease because we

[1:44:31] certainly want to do a public campaign

[1:44:34] to notify um the public that you know

[1:44:36] these cameras are in use um so people

[1:44:39] have to you know judge their their speed

[1:44:41] and lower their speed accordingly okay

[1:44:44] so at this point we're not sending out

[1:44:45] notices to people that those 4,400

[1:44:48] people that they've been speeding or

[1:44:50] anything at this point uh through the

[1:44:51] chair no no we're not uh I think that

[1:44:53] was contemplated initially but just the

[1:44:55] cost would have been exorbitant to do

[1:44:57] that because we have to run a search

[1:44:58] every time that we send a letter to

[1:45:00] somebody and that cost us $825 through

[1:45:03] the Ministry of

[1:45:05] Transportation so I just want to confirm

[1:45:08] you did say

[1:45:10] 4700 uh through the chair yeah that's

[1:45:12] correct circles back to your point there

[1:45:15] council chambers

[1:45:20] it too funny uh councelor how's had

[1:45:23] something thanks well um Mr Cherry you

[1:45:26] you kind of tackled my point a little

[1:45:29] bit there uh and just for the benefit of

[1:45:32] the people who are watching at home

[1:45:35] um and this this is a location that is

[1:45:39] within this is touching on a bunch of

[1:45:40] topics from tonight this is a location

[1:45:42] that's

[1:45:43] within 400 feet of a stop

[1:45:47] sign right more or less and it's

[1:45:51] directly in front of the school

[1:45:54] and and you're saying that

[1:45:57] in six weeks we've had uh with a

[1:46:02] threshold of you know we're not we're

[1:46:04] not nailing somebody one kilometer over

[1:46:07] the the speed limit you're said

[1:46:11] 4700

[1:46:13] violations is that accurate uh through

[1:46:15] the chair that's that's what the data is

[1:46:17] is saying right

[1:46:19] now we will'll expect a reduction in

[1:46:22] that and we certainly hope there's a

[1:46:23] reduction in that but yes and and just

[1:46:27] to put it out there the the goal is

[1:46:30] there is for there to be

[1:46:32] none right the the goal is that for

[1:46:35] there to be no violations because we the

[1:46:38] the whole intention is to condition

[1:46:40] people to to drive slower uh in these

[1:46:43] zones so yeah this plus um you know I

[1:46:47] recall two or three years ago to

[1:46:49] counselor Chambers point we did invest

[1:46:52] ex ra money through the op for specific

[1:46:56] officers dedicated to highway traffic

[1:46:58] act issues like speeding offenses so I

[1:47:00] think this is a good

[1:47:02] combination um of efforts to to try and

[1:47:04] make our community a safer

[1:47:06] Place councelor Kyle thanks Mr chair

[1:47:09] through you to Greg Greg just to pick up

[1:47:11] on something you mentioned a minute or

[1:47:12] two ago you said it costs

[1:47:15] $8.50 per um search that you have to do

[1:47:19] so when you run those I'm going to make

[1:47:22] the assumption that there's the same

[1:47:25] person in some cases that's gotten

[1:47:27] multiple times through that zone so are

[1:47:31] you searching that same license plate

[1:47:34] individually every time or do you

[1:47:35] consolidate and go this license plate

[1:47:38] has eight offenses we need to do one

[1:47:39] search and then you times that fine by

[1:47:42] eight or whatever um how does that work

[1:47:46] like are we paying every time or is

[1:47:49] there a consolidation that you can do if

[1:47:51] there is somebody that's coming up

[1:47:52] multip times uh through the chair um so

[1:47:56] we are working on the software and I do

[1:47:58] believe that they're going to have some

[1:47:59] mechanisms in the software to identify

[1:48:02] you know the same plate um you know for

[1:48:04] various reasons there may be patterns

[1:48:06] for this vehicle as well um I should I

[1:48:08] should qualify that the 825 um when we

[1:48:12] do go live we can download that cost uh

[1:48:15] to the owner um so that'll be part of

[1:48:17] the cost recovery again we anticipate

[1:48:20] that this program will be

[1:48:21] self-sufficient and self rep ing um

[1:48:23] based on the data that's been gleaned

[1:48:25] there's been a lot of work that's been

[1:48:26] done in the background for projections

[1:48:29] um so we we expect that it's going to be

[1:48:31] Revenue neutral or you know we may

[1:48:32] operate at

[1:48:35] Surplus anybody

[1:48:38] else okay just uh real quick one here

[1:48:42] that I have

[1:48:43] um the recommendation is that the

[1:48:46] committee approve the recruitment or

[1:48:47] hiring of one full-time screening

[1:48:49] officer and one provincial officer aditt

[1:48:52] to administ

[1:48:54] I and I just want to confirm back to

[1:48:55] what council Cham Chambers was saying

[1:48:57] there so we feel that with the staff

[1:48:59] that we have trained right now and

[1:49:01] adding this one additional provincial

[1:49:04] offen officer that should get us to the

[1:49:06] point where we' be able to handle this

[1:49:07] camera and then we'll base it on once we

[1:49:11] add another camera if another one is

[1:49:12] needed or is it just we're going to add

[1:49:14] them with the cameras uh through the

[1:49:16] chair so we're going to we're going to

[1:49:17] monitor the data very very closely um

[1:49:20] and then make some decisions on hiring

[1:49:22] as as indicated in the report there is a

[1:49:23] bit of a delay when you hire a

[1:49:25] provincial offenses officer there's a

[1:49:26] bit of a protest that they have to go

[1:49:28] through uh we do have some staff right

[1:49:31] now that have been trained uh they're

[1:49:32] designated there's two officers uh

[1:49:35] keeping in mind they do have other

[1:49:37] duties um but you know I would I would

[1:49:39] venture to Guess that probably in in

[1:49:41] June we're probably going to be looking

[1:49:42] at another provincial offenses officer

[1:49:44] um just to kind of handle that second

[1:49:46] camera because of the volumes U so we

[1:49:49] want to make sure that we have the right

[1:49:51] people in place at the right times so

[1:49:53] that the the program can continue

[1:49:55] successfully operating without any

[1:49:57] delays okay and I appreciate the way you

[1:49:59] said that Greg because I was worried

[1:50:01] about if we pull them off the regular

[1:50:03] duties that's going to kind of you know

[1:50:06] if we've got the folks that are trained

[1:50:07] that's great but to your point they've

[1:50:09] got other things they need to do too so

[1:50:10] I'm glad you glad you said that okay

[1:50:13] perfect no other

[1:50:15] questions all those in

[1:50:18] favor

[1:50:19] opposed that is carried

[1:50:23] okay 8.3 which is rpt50 1-24 the

[1:50:28] canesville Premier employment Hub

[1:50:31] comprehensive land use strategy

[1:50:34] mover councilor Garo councelor Kyle

[1:50:38] questions Council

[1:50:40] Miller

[1:50:42] um I I like I like the study I think

[1:50:45] it's a great

[1:50:46] idea um my question is and I'll read a

[1:50:50] line from the report it says um once

[1:50:54] full Services become

[1:50:57] available so we're expecting them to

[1:51:00] become available I know we're working on

[1:51:02] it um is this study premature or do we

[1:51:06] know when services will become

[1:51:09] available uh through the chair so there

[1:51:11] was a master servicing plan done uh I

[1:51:14] believe it went to Council in June so

[1:51:16] that laid out the preliminary plan uh my

[1:51:19] understanding is that operations will go

[1:51:21] to consultant uh to do the actual design

[1:51:25] work in early 2025 so then that'll kind

[1:51:28] of depending on the design and the

[1:51:30] Consulting work depend when it will come

[1:51:32] online whether or not it will be faced

[1:51:34] or all at

[1:51:37] once Miller

[1:51:41] I you don't think this study is too

[1:51:43] early is what I'm saying what that you

[1:51:45] don't think this is too

[1:51:47] early um the benefit of oh Rob

[1:51:51] Walton I think CE Alison wants to say

[1:51:53] something here thank you you Mr chair um

[1:51:57] so the idea is that the from what I

[1:51:59] understand the design work for the for

[1:52:01] the actual servicing would take

[1:52:02] approximately a year and then the actual

[1:52:04] construction approximately a year this

[1:52:06] also would take approximately one year

[1:52:09] um so I wanted them to go at the same

[1:52:12] time not only is it a requirement

[1:52:14] through the new uh planning act but um

[1:52:17] we wanted to make sure that when when we

[1:52:19] get to that point where servicing is

[1:52:21] going to be available that there was a

[1:52:23] lead time to be able to actually get

[1:52:24] tenants in place and uh things could hit

[1:52:27] the ground running so the idea was to

[1:52:29] have them go in tandem um so it would be

[1:52:32] fully ready and fully serviced and

[1:52:33] Shuffle ready um by the time the

[1:52:35] services are in the

[1:52:39] ground through the chair to um councelor

[1:52:42] Miller there there's an extreme demand

[1:52:45] out there I think we're into our third

[1:52:46] um interim servicing agreement out there

[1:52:50] in this area for things that are going

[1:52:51] to go ahead on

[1:52:53] holding tanks and whatever awaiting

[1:52:55] waiting the services so we are out for

[1:52:58] the expression of interest to hire the

[1:53:00] um so to do the pumping station designed

[1:53:02] right now and you know whether we'll see

[1:53:05] that implemented in

[1:53:07] 2026 it would be the Hope um and this

[1:53:10] really does need to go in parallel with

[1:53:13] that Council Miller yeah I'm not

[1:53:17] confident at this point I I would rather

[1:53:19] see it delay to year but that's just my

[1:53:21] thoughts

[1:53:24] anybody

[1:53:27] else seeing none all in

[1:53:30] favor

[1:53:32] opposed that is

[1:53:34] carried uh 8.4 rp-0 51124 assessment

[1:53:39] based management policy can I get a

[1:53:42] mover coun

[1:53:45] Oley councelor

[1:53:47] Kyle on this side of the table here

[1:53:50] questions on that report counc

[1:53:53] garno thank you Mr chair through to

[1:53:56] staff um I do have a few um on page

[1:54:00] three of three on the the memo portion

[1:54:01] of the report I'm wondering if it could

[1:54:04] be explained what the difference between

[1:54:05] or sorry what is a review role and then

[1:54:08] how is that different from a county

[1:54:10] initiated

[1:54:15] action coun know um we review the role

[1:54:19] to sorry we review the role to ensure

[1:54:21] that all properties are assessed

[1:54:23] property we have a company um that

[1:54:25] actually does the review for us they

[1:54:28] pick up any discrepancies in zoning or

[1:54:31] any building permits that are Miss

[1:54:33] missed Council init Council initiated

[1:54:36] appeals is when there is a major error

[1:54:39] that empact cannot fix the only way to

[1:54:42] fix the error is to actually appeal the

[1:54:45] assessment to the

[1:54:47] ARB c g thank you um and then uh on a

[1:54:51] slightly different

[1:54:52] topic uh section 11 of the policy

[1:54:56] addresses discrep discrepancies and one

[1:54:58] of the things it says is that the county

[1:55:00] will help property owners who have lost

[1:55:03] their agricultural forestry or

[1:55:05] conservation designation I'm just

[1:55:07] wondering what help we offer in those

[1:55:09] circumstances I just recently helped a g

[1:55:12] or helped a lady um we fill forms we

[1:55:15] helped them revise them um if they

[1:55:18] because the Agri Corp cannot go back to

[1:55:20] Prior years they can only do the proceed

[1:55:22] are they next year so anything now would

[1:55:25] only be done for 2024 or 2025 we do the

[1:55:28] 2024 under Section 357 358 of the

[1:55:31] municipal

[1:55:33] act thank you and one one further one um

[1:55:36] in the event that the county has taken

[1:55:38] an action that's caused someone to lose

[1:55:40] one of those statuses do we still help

[1:55:43] them and if so how does that

[1:55:47] unfold the as far as um has happened we

[1:55:51] have not had any anybody lose their

[1:55:53] status because of any action on behalf

[1:55:55] of County if they did we would still

[1:55:57] take the same action we would help them

[1:56:00] assist them to get it back work with

[1:56:02] Agri Corp empac and the property

[1:56:06] owner okay thank

[1:56:09] you anybody

[1:56:14] else seeing none all in

[1:56:17] favor opposed that is carried

[1:56:22] okay 8.5 rpt 0519 d24 Municipal and

[1:56:26] School Board elections alternate forms

[1:56:29] of voting can I get a mover councelor

[1:56:32] Coleman counc Bell

[1:56:38] questions

[1:56:40] see Council Miller well we've had this

[1:56:43] discussion before Mr chair but can maybe

[1:56:46] the clerk could speak too how do you how

[1:56:48] do you know it's secure I

[1:56:50] guess what what what what measures do we

[1:56:53] take if we go to an online

[1:56:56] voting um through the chair to the

[1:56:59] counselor's question um there are a lot

[1:57:00] of mechanisms today that are a lot more

[1:57:02] secure than online voting in the past so

[1:57:04] a lot of vendors today there are a lot

[1:57:06] more today than there used to be they

[1:57:07] have a lot more options when it comes to

[1:57:09] two Factor verification so you're sent a

[1:57:12] unique code either by mail or by email

[1:57:14] whatever it is along with some personal

[1:57:16] information that you are pairing

[1:57:17] together to make sure that you are

[1:57:18] getting the right person to vote

[1:57:22] okay um I mean I always like the paper

[1:57:26] ballot because you can count them you

[1:57:27] can recount them things like that and

[1:57:29] I'm not worried about Iran or Russia or

[1:57:31] anybody you know hacking the municipal

[1:57:34] election of Brant but is yeah my my main

[1:57:37] concern and it's just reflection of my

[1:57:41] age so um yeah I just want it to be

[1:57:44] secure so but you feel I guess you would

[1:57:46] feel it secure otherwise you wouldn't be

[1:57:47] making this

[1:57:50] recommendation any other questions

[1:57:52] Council G thank you Mr chair I guess

[1:57:55] more of a comment for staff to take back

[1:57:57] um one of the things that was brought to

[1:57:59] my attention during the election was

[1:58:01] with regards to the voters list and I

[1:58:02] know it comes to us in a certain way and

[1:58:04] we take it as it is um but in a number

[1:58:07] of cases I had individuals let me know

[1:58:09] that they had say for example adult

[1:58:11] children still listed as electors in

[1:58:14] this community despite being gone a long

[1:58:17] time and if the the secondary check to

[1:58:20] cast a pin online is one's birth dat

[1:58:22] On's parents likely also know their

[1:58:25] children's birth date as far as being

[1:58:28] able to cast additional votes I'm not

[1:58:30] sure if this perhaps the clerk could

[1:58:32] just comment on that um because the

[1:58:35] other two scenarios that came to me is

[1:58:37] name individuals receiving voters cards

[1:58:39] and both they married and their ma names

[1:58:41] or for deceased individuals within their

[1:58:45] homes through the chair to the

[1:58:46] counselor's question um so the voters

[1:58:49] list has been taken over by um elections

[1:58:51] Ontario they're doing a better job now

[1:58:53] we have staff across the municipalities

[1:58:55] working very closely with them um from

[1:58:57] as early as last year trying to clean

[1:58:59] that up right now and it looks pretty

[1:59:00] good I've looked at it too so um we're a

[1:59:02] little bit more hopeful with the voters

[1:59:03] list there um in terms of parents

[1:59:07] knowing their kids birthdays or any

[1:59:08] family members um it can happen um but

[1:59:13] again there are ways to send the the

[1:59:15] unique pin that wouldn't just go out by

[1:59:17] mail it could go to an email address

[1:59:19] there are things that vendors offer so

[1:59:20] that it's a bit more secure that way we

[1:59:22] can try to mitigate those

[1:59:24] concerns thank you I'm glad to hear

[1:59:27] that counc o um to the chair to the

[1:59:31] clerk um I just want to say that I'm

[1:59:34] thrilled that I that will be offering

[1:59:35] the online voting uh potentially on the

[1:59:37] day of election I know this was uh

[1:59:39] something heard from a number of folks

[1:59:41] who were planning on voting online they

[1:59:43] uh found out they couldn't had some sort

[1:59:45] of illness other something preventing

[1:59:46] them from being there in person and uh

[1:59:49] they were unable to ctch their vote so I

[1:59:51] think this is a great great step

[1:59:54] forward anybody

[1:59:57] else seeing none all in

[2:00:00] favor opposed that is carried 8.6 rpt

[2:00:05] 042 424 2026 election W boundary and

[2:00:08] Council composition survey

[2:00:11] mover counc McAlpine councelor house

[2:00:17] questions uh through the chair uh in

[2:00:21] which year would we be intending to have

[2:00:23] this uh 2030 municipal election uh

[2:00:26] review with the external expertise or

[2:00:29] yeah um we would be looking at starting

[2:00:32] that probably about 20

[2:00:35] 27 we'd be starting looking at getting

[2:00:38] uh someone in line to to start that

[2:00:40] process because if we're doing a full

[2:00:42] one there's a lot of details that are

[2:00:44] going to have to be M through perfect

[2:00:46] thank you anybody else

[2:00:52] seeing none all in

[2:00:53] favor opposed that is

[2:00:57] carried okay section nine committee

[2:00:59] reports 9.1 tour tourism advisory can I

[2:01:02] get a mover councelor Kyle mayor Bailey

[2:01:07] questions seeing none all in

[2:01:09] favor opposed that is carried 9.2 Brandt

[2:01:14] Heritage can I get a mover councelor

[2:01:17] house councelor McAlpine

[2:01:19] questions councelor Oakley to the chair

[2:01:22] to the members of committee uh just for

[2:01:25] some context I was I was reading through

[2:01:27] the minutes as well it wasn't explicit

[2:01:29] um what what is this joint Heritage

[2:01:32] committee councelor H so there are uh

[2:01:36] and Council cine feel free to chime in

[2:01:39] on the details but there there are a

[2:01:41] number of municipalities that work

[2:01:43] together on as a joint Heritage effort

[2:01:46] and compare notes and best practices and

[2:01:50] and they meet once a year at different

[2:01:51] location

[2:01:52] and and it's it's our turn next year

[2:01:55] that's the short

[2:01:57] answer you're good with that okay all

[2:02:00] those in

[2:02:02] favor opposed that is

[2:02:05] carried okay moving on Communications I

[2:02:08] see none other business councelor Bell

[2:02:09] you had to

[2:02:11] items thank you uh I've had a number of

[2:02:15] people rais concerns about the

[2:02:18] proliferation of signage on rest AER

[2:02:21] Road if anybody drives between

[2:02:24] Cobblestone and Arlington Parkway you'll

[2:02:27] pass I'm going to guess 20 signs and yet

[2:02:32] there's the big U pillar that has all of

[2:02:36] um businesses that are involved in that

[2:02:39] that commercial Plaza so a question I

[2:02:42] think

[2:02:42] to our staff is that permissible my

[2:02:47] understanding might is that they are the

[2:02:49] right size they're 8 by4 so they they

[2:02:52] meet that criteria but are we

[2:02:54] comfortable having literally tens of

[2:02:57] them on the side of the road because

[2:03:00] they're distract from people looking at

[2:03:03] the other signs that that we want them

[2:03:04] to look at like there's a roundabout

[2:03:07] coming you shouldn't stop there doesn't

[2:03:09] stop people from stopping there but that

[2:03:11] that's that's the the truth of the

[2:03:12] matter so could I could somebody from

[2:03:15] staff give me a sense of whether that's

[2:03:17] something that is both

[2:03:19] permissible and ively is it

[2:03:25] desirable thank you Mr chair um so we do

[2:03:28] occasionally get reports of signs and

[2:03:30] stuff that's not in compliance with our

[2:03:31] bylaw um certainly I can have staff um

[2:03:35] you know take a drive and see if there's

[2:03:36] any that are non- compliant um if they

[2:03:39] are then we could certainly ask them to

[2:03:41] be taken down um your sort of separate

[2:03:44] question um was regarding the the

[2:03:47] community service signs um that we have

[2:03:50] in different communities and there is

[2:03:51] staff report coming forward on that um

[2:03:54] really to close off the we finding

[2:03:56] strategy um so that will sort of be

[2:03:58] addressed as a separate issue um and I

[2:04:02] think they need to be dealt with

[2:04:03] separately um my sense is that most of

[2:04:05] those are for service clubs um versus

[2:04:08] the signage that you're actually

[2:04:09] referring to on rers

[2:04:11] road yeah the commentary I get back from

[2:04:14] from residents is this doesn't actually

[2:04:16] fit with Paris being the prettiest

[2:04:19] little town in Ontario uh and they're

[2:04:22] quite right it's rather ugly so I I

[2:04:24] would appreciate if we can take a look

[2:04:26] at it second question was around

[2:04:29] roundabouts and safety on roundabouts

[2:04:31] and we mentioned this before could staff

[2:04:35] comment as to whether they're looking at

[2:04:38] um improving the safety pedestrian

[2:04:41] safety on

[2:04:44] roundabouts Rob's going to come up

[2:04:54] or Rob answers this question we should

[2:04:57] prepare ourselves for a delegation

[2:04:59] coming I think probably next meeting or

[2:05:02] one after that U led by somebody whose

[2:05:05] children came very close to being hit on

[2:05:08] the roundabouts and rers

[2:05:10] R through the chair to councelor Bell um

[2:05:13] actually this past week there was some

[2:05:16] correspondence that made his way through

[2:05:18] to some counselors and his staff and uh

[2:05:21] um number of us in uh in operations

[2:05:23] actually had a meeting with our

[2:05:24] Consultants designing our current

[2:05:26] roundabouts coming forward on uh Grand

[2:05:28] River Street North as to what you know

[2:05:31] his implications were for these other

[2:05:32] ones which weren't designed by them but

[2:05:34] they certainly understand the design and

[2:05:35] what's coming up for Grand Street North

[2:05:38] so I think what we need to do is we need

[2:05:40] to get a good education program a better

[2:05:43] education program um for residence as to

[2:05:46] what the safety considerations on

[2:05:48] roundabouts is for for pedestrians and

[2:05:51] uh to get the real word out there and

[2:05:53] there's worldwide statistics on this and

[2:05:55] rounds are quite safe much safer than uh

[2:05:59] than many signalized intersections and

[2:06:01] we we certainly can provide that

[2:06:03] information through to council and and

[2:06:05] through to the residents um that being

[2:06:08] said there are some new things coming up

[2:06:10] in in roundabout design and we are

[2:06:13] looking at some uh some measures to um

[2:06:16] improve the newer ones which we're going

[2:06:17] to be doing next year on Grand River

[2:06:19] Street North so um you know I could go

[2:06:23] on for this for for half an hour the

[2:06:25] answer to the question is yes we're

[2:06:27] looking at it yes we need to do

[2:06:28] education and yes we'll be bringing more

[2:06:31] information back to council yeah and I I

[2:06:33] may Mr chair one of the things that that

[2:06:36] keeps coming back to us is people are

[2:06:38] getting familiar with roundabouts

[2:06:40] because if you go to Cambridge or

[2:06:42] kitchen or water you'll see lots of them

[2:06:44] and they will point to enhancements on

[2:06:47] the roundabouts there that we don't have

[2:06:49] which would improve the safety of

[2:06:51] pedestrian

[2:06:52] so if if when you report back you can

[2:06:54] comment on why we're different and why

[2:06:57] we why we're different and what we could

[2:06:59] do to come to the same standard that our

[2:07:04] neighbors

[2:07:05] have through through the charity

[2:07:07] councelor Bell um over time all of these

[2:07:10] things evolve and um I would say the

[2:07:13] standards we've used are mostly all the

[2:07:15] same and the Consultants used are mostly

[2:07:17] all the same ones that have been used

[2:07:18] for the the regional waterl ones as well

[2:07:21] um there are new enhancements which are

[2:07:23] being brought into some of their new

[2:07:24] ones there many of the these things be

[2:07:27] very difficult to retrofit back into

[2:07:29] existing ones without a huge piece of

[2:07:32] construction so you know we're looking

[2:07:33] forward to that um as far as changes

[2:07:36] with signage and whatever um you know

[2:07:39] municipalities do do some of that

[2:07:40] differently and we certainly can look at

[2:07:42] some of that and see what we do going

[2:07:46] forward okay the good news is though

[2:07:49] although we've had all these reports how

[2:07:51] unsafe they are we really haven't had

[2:07:54] much in the way of incidents in them

[2:07:57] so okay uh thank you for that um

[2:08:01] councelor Miller you had something on

[2:08:02] way finding strategy yeah thank you Mr

[2:08:05] chair and I'll be as brief as I can um

[2:08:08] so the way finding strategy we passed

[2:08:12] accounts I don't know how long ago seven

[2:08:13] eight years

[2:08:14] ago and it was a way of

[2:08:18] uh having common signage I guess for our

[2:08:21] town

[2:08:22] in settlement areas across the county

[2:08:24] since we hadn't done that since Weg so

[2:08:26] it made sense um it cost a lot of money

[2:08:30] I was surprised at the time even then it

[2:08:32] seemed like a lot

[2:08:34] um so that's fine I I I I supported it

[2:08:39] um what I didn't know at the

[2:08:41] time was that for those um Hamlet

[2:08:45] settlements call them what you will that

[2:08:48] aren't in the designated as a settlement

[2:08:51] there area or hamlet in the official

[2:08:53] plan um and there's only 20 those signs

[2:08:57] would um basically they'd be left to

[2:09:01] fall over and collapse

[2:09:04] so and talking to Allison sounds like

[2:09:07] they there could be close to 70 of those

[2:09:08] throughout the county um I put a picture

[2:09:11] of Harrisburg in there or sorry not

[2:09:14] Harrisburg Hatley in there um I know

[2:09:17] Ton's in there Mount Burn's in there and

[2:09:19] you we go through all the the wars you

[2:09:21] you'll you you'll find it so I'm not

[2:09:24] sure if that's a good idea for for three

[2:09:28] reasons and I'll list them um first of

[2:09:31] all um and I'll take Ashley if you if

[2:09:34] you remove that sign you will upset

[2:09:38] residents quite a bit and I think

[2:09:39] needlessly I think the same with

[2:09:42] anonia um and the second reason is we

[2:09:46] talked about it when we were talkinging

[2:09:47] about strategic plan we we wanted to

[2:09:49] treat all our residents where they live

[2:09:52] in Paris St George whatever W they live

[2:09:54] in we wanted to treat them equitably and

[2:09:56] I don't believe that's treating

[2:09:58] everybody equitably um if you ask

[2:10:01] somebody from hashley where they're from

[2:10:03] the first thing they're going to say is

[2:10:05] I'm from Hatley they don't say I live in

[2:10:07] the county brand they say I'm from

[2:10:10] Hatley so taking away this the very

[2:10:15] taking away that sign what does it leave

[2:10:17] them um what are they going to say I I'm

[2:10:20] I I live in the count County of Brant um

[2:10:23] okay but where and I I don't know where

[2:10:25] I live

[2:10:28] so that's another and then the third

[2:10:30] reason is historical and and I'll go to

[2:10:32] mount burn because I did a little

[2:10:33] research on that with our local histori

[2:10:36] Clayton

[2:10:37] Barker Mount Vernon sign came down um

[2:10:40] this is all allar and I asked I just

[2:10:42] sent an email to Greg de says can you

[2:10:45] guys put that back up and he said uh no

[2:10:48] um so he got me in contact with Melissa

[2:10:51] said well that's not part of our wave

[2:10:53] finding strategy I said okay so she sent

[2:10:55] me the info on those 20 things which I

[2:10:57] included in their package um but but

[2:10:59] take Mount Vernon for example um that

[2:11:02] was a town started as Springfield back

[2:11:04] in 1802 so it's been around you know

[2:11:08] 2 22 years um started at Springfield I

[2:11:13] think the name changed in 1850 was

[2:11:15] actually a large town at the time they

[2:11:18] had half a dozen Mills there um if

[2:11:20] you're familiar with with M Vernon at

[2:11:23] all they had a cemetery they had a

[2:11:24] railway stop they have a church thanks

[2:11:26] to counselor garno I know they had a

[2:11:28] school because we have a picture of a

[2:11:30] graduating class from there um so it had

[2:11:33] a lot of things uh berford had a fire

[2:11:37] big fire uh bunch of fires um in the

[2:11:40] early

[2:11:41] 1880s and they actually took some of the

[2:11:43] commercial buildings from Mount Vernon

[2:11:45] and they moved up to berford which had

[2:11:47] also been called claremount at one time

[2:11:50] um and it's interesting because talking

[2:11:52] to

[2:11:52] Clayton he was connecting dots for me

[2:11:55] and you could see that uh they wanted

[2:11:57] berford to kind of take off and it

[2:11:59] became part of this politically

[2:12:04] um well for political reasons that's why

[2:12:06] Brent County was was started so it's

[2:12:08] interesting if if you learn about where

[2:12:10] something started and why you you

[2:12:13] understand uh where it's going to go to

[2:12:15] so anyways take away the Mount Vernon

[2:12:18] sign and what are you left with all that

[2:12:20] history is gone it's just gone there's

[2:12:22] nothing to to to to recognize it so um I

[2:12:27] I like I said understand the way Finance

[2:12:28] Str understand we want common signage

[2:12:31] for the settlement areas recognized in

[2:12:33] the op but at the same time I don't

[2:12:35] believe we should be ignoring the

[2:12:37] existing signs for all those smaller

[2:12:41] again I'll call them hamlets sement

[2:12:43] areas throughout the county so

[2:12:47] um that's what I've learned on this and

[2:12:50] um I did talk to staff and what I would

[2:12:52] ask Mr uh Mr chair if you allow is is a

[2:12:55] motion to refer this matter back to

[2:12:58] staff and and then they could come back

[2:13:00] with a report saying um uh we could just

[2:13:03] replace the current signs uh we could

[2:13:05] upgrade them there's a cost to that too

[2:13:08] and at least at least we as a council

[2:13:10] could could make that decision have

[2:13:12] further discussion so I'll make a motion

[2:13:14] that we refer the matter to staff uh

[2:13:17] seeking a second counc car second do you

[2:13:20] want to speak to it

[2:13:24] yeah so I do want to support councelor

[2:13:26] Miller in this and offer a real example

[2:13:29] of why I think as much as there's a cost

[2:13:31] we should keep these identities so if

[2:13:33] you ask me where I live I kind of go

[2:13:35] well I'm sort of near canesville um the

[2:13:38] alternative is to say on the east side

[2:13:40] of Branford and we are probably Grant

[2:13:42] County which lands me here today um but

[2:13:45] I suspect there are others around the

[2:13:47] table that or their parents may have

[2:13:49] remembered the area as monkey Hollow

[2:13:51] Pine Grove or the Johnson settlement but

[2:13:54] today that's not an area that is

[2:13:57] recognized or even if I said we're we're

[2:14:00] in Pine grve I don't know that anyone

[2:14:02] would know how to find us because I

[2:14:04] suspect the signage we once had is long

[2:14:06] since lost to history and I've been on a

[2:14:08] mission to uncover that history and

[2:14:11] another local historian who's here

[2:14:12] tonight has been helping me with that

[2:14:14] but I I think this is worth a discussion

[2:14:17] particularly for our rural communities

[2:14:19] who are unlikely to ever identify as

[2:14:22] being part of more of our anchor

[2:14:24] community so I want to thank councelor

[2:14:26] Miller for bringing this forward and

[2:14:27] look forward to if we're successful

[2:14:30] tonight with resolution report from

[2:14:32] staff thank

[2:14:34] you council

[2:14:37] chambers yes I certainly support the

[2:14:39] resolution I can recall and maybe the

[2:14:42] people on Council of the day can recall

[2:14:44] when I did the same kind of spiel about

[2:14:46] hashley as councelor Miller did about

[2:14:48] Mount Vernon and that's why the hashley

[2:14:50] sign Got erected and my memory serves

[2:14:53] correctly not all members of council

[2:14:55] were supportive of that and remember one

[2:14:57] in particular said if we do it for one

[2:14:59] we'll have to do it for everyone which I

[2:15:02] said maybe we should do it for everyone

[2:15:05] and uh maybe that Council can remember

[2:15:07] saying that so I support the the

[2:15:10] resolution I know if you drive through

[2:15:11] noral County you go through dogs nest

[2:15:14] and rattlesnake Harbor and they've got

[2:15:15] their little signs up there and hunky D

[2:15:19] those kind of places it's interesting

[2:15:21] for the the people that drive by it it's

[2:15:23] it's excellent for the residents who

[2:15:25] live there and know a little bit of

[2:15:27] local history and we don't want to lose

[2:15:28] that local history and uh I certainly uh

[2:15:33] know a little bit about Mount Vernon it

[2:15:35] was a county seat at one time so uh not

[2:15:38] too long ago and sure these things

[2:15:41] should be done and I don't expect that

[2:15:43] we need to put the big blue pillared

[2:15:46] signs like in Fairfield of all places um

[2:15:50] which has its own history but doesn't

[2:15:51] really need that kind of a sign just

[2:15:53] needs a little sign that says this is

[2:15:55] where Fairfield is so let's uh move

[2:15:57] forward and and and recognize Our

[2:15:59] Heritage and history and and name these

[2:16:01] little places and put the signs up so

[2:16:03] everybody knows where they

[2:16:05] are counc house thank you Mr chair yeah

[2:16:09] and I I agree I I support this as well

[2:16:11] from a Heritage perspective and I think

[2:16:14] not only the people who have uh

[2:16:18] generations of of history in these areas

[2:16:21] but people who are new to this broader

[2:16:24] Community move here because they like

[2:16:27] that the small town charm we hear that a

[2:16:30] lot and one of the ways that we can

[2:16:33] maintain and reinforce the small town

[2:16:36] charm is by continuing to recognize

[2:16:39] these these little hamlets and and I I

[2:16:42] think it's a great

[2:16:45] idea Okay so we've got a motion on the

[2:16:47] table it is seconded all those in favor

[2:16:52] opposed

[2:16:55] unanimous okay that was it for other

[2:16:57] business so now can I get a motion to go

[2:17:00] in camera um we're going to go in camera

[2:17:04] to discuss rp-0

[2:17:08] 54-24 uh a proposed imp pending

[2:17:10] acquisition or disposition of land by

[2:17:12] the municipality or local board 925 rest

[2:17:14] Acres

[2:17:16] Road councelor Coleman mayor Bailey

[2:17:22] all in

[2:17:24] favor opposed we're going to

[2:17:49] go

[2:18:19] e e

[2:21:44] okay we are back in Open Session I do

[2:21:47] not see anything else on the agenda for

[2:21:49] this evening

[2:21:53] we are back in Open

[2:21:56] Session anybody else have anything for

[2:21:58] the betterment of the

[2:22:01] county if not ask for motion to adjourn

[2:22:04] Council Coleman thank you have a great

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