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[0:08]
All right, everyone. I'm going to call
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the regular select board meeting,
[0:13]
Brattleboroough Select Board meeting of
[0:14]
September 15th to order. Um, John, was
[0:18]
this meeting properly warned?
[0:19]
>> Yes, Oscar, it was.
[0:21]
>> Thank you. The board entered into
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executive session at 5:15 p.m.
[0:27]
Um, moving ahead to adjustments to
[0:29]
agenda. I actually do have one to
[0:31]
propose with apologies.
[0:34]
A staff member has a family commitment
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and I'd like to recommend that we move
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the finance department reports at
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regular business C up to the top of
[0:44]
regular business.
[0:47]
We can, if there are no objections, we
[0:49]
can do it by unanimous consent.
[0:52]
I'm seeing nods. Okay. My apologies to
[0:55]
anyone else further down the agenda.
[0:57]
We'll try to move efficiently, but um I
[1:00]
apologize for that. And for members of
[1:02]
the public who were scheduling around
[1:03]
this, I'm sorry about the inconvenience.
[1:06]
Any other adjustments to the agenda?
[1:09]
Seeing none, chair's remarks. I have a
[1:12]
few.
[1:16]
Uh, last night at the library, the
[1:18]
select board held a community meeting on
[1:20]
the topics of ICE and the BPD's relevant
[1:23]
policies. I'd like to thank everyone
[1:25]
involved for an outstanding
[1:26]
conversation.
[1:28]
I mean, that's a topic that's going to
[1:30]
be challenging for any town, and our
[1:32]
discussion was substantive and
[1:34]
constructive while still being
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neighborly. I also want to thank Chief
[1:38]
Evans and Assistant Chief Pllock for
[1:40]
their wholehearted participation and to
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BCTV, the library, and town staff for
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putting on such a substantial event on
[1:49]
relatively short notice.
[1:52]
Unfortunately, I do have to note one
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incident um in an otherwise excellent
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evening of conversation. At one point,
[2:00]
when a speaker was leaving the mic, he
[2:02]
was shoved by another person who also
[2:04]
made a few unpleasant remarks. Um, it
[2:07]
wasn't clear to me at the time what was
[2:08]
happening or I would have intervened.
[2:09]
But physical hostility like that has no
[2:12]
place in a community discussion.
[2:15]
I'll even go one step further and say
[2:17]
that this happened to the more or less
[2:20]
the one person in that room who is
[2:22]
disagreeing with everyone else in the
[2:23]
room. Protecting even the voices we
[2:26]
disagree with or dislike is
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a fundamental part of community
[2:31]
democracy. So, I hope we can all work
[2:34]
together to make sure that this doesn't
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happen again. That's not really how we
[2:38]
do things in Brattleboro.
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I'd also like to briefly comment on the
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um good news about the BMH birthing
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center. Many, many people work to make
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that happen. I'd like to specifically
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highlight from that group Karina Tenant
[2:53]
and Jordan Schwarz. But tonight, I'd
[2:55]
like to make particular mention of our
[2:58]
town manager, John Potter. He truly made
[3:01]
this project a mission of his. He was a
[3:05]
rallying force to the entire very large
[3:07]
group. He was in every single meeting
[3:10]
whether it was two people or 30. Uh I'm
[3:14]
really truly thankful for his leadership
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on this critical project.
[3:18]
So thank you John.
[3:19]
>> Thanks Oscar.
[3:21]
>> And one final sort of unofficial note,
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people are starting to ask questions
[3:25]
about and apply for the human services
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committee. The select board hasn't taken
[3:30]
any action yet on what that process will
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look like. Um,
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but I know that the current chair and
[3:38]
vice chair of the outgoing committee are
[3:40]
recommending a process that starts in
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spring after town meeting approves the
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final number so that the committee can
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work off of an actual number instead of
[3:49]
a hypothetical. Um, I expect that the
[3:53]
board will take up this question of
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process sometime in the near future, but
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I wanted to give a little the the little
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info I have to people who are asking.
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And that is all I have. We have no
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minutes to approve. Um, so now John,
[4:08]
I'll turn it over to you for your
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comments.
[4:09]
>> Okay. Thank you, Oscar. Uh, so ballots
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for the November 3rd election will be
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mailed by the state to all active
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registered voters between September 21st
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and October 1st. Voters may track their
[4:22]
ballot status by logging onto their
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voter portal at vote.vermont.gov.
[4:29]
Um, if you have any trouble logging into
[4:31]
that portal, please contact the town
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clerk's office. And if you do not
[4:36]
receive your ballot by October 13th,
[4:38]
also please contact the town clerk's
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office. want to uh let the board know
[4:44]
that I've written a letter of support
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for the retreat farm in their efforts to
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strengthen the outdoor recreation sector
[4:52]
in the Brattleboroough region by
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encouraging collaboration among
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organizations, expanding programming and
[4:58]
events and more effectively promoting
[5:01]
our area as an important outdoor
[5:04]
recreation destination.
[5:06]
And also, I want to let the board know
[5:08]
that the ADA committee met for the first
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time in many years last week at the
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Brooks Memorial Library, and the
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committee has yet to establish a regular
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meeting day, but they're excited to
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begin work.
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>> Thank you, John. Yep.
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>> Select board comments or committee
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reports. We'll start on the left. Nell,
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do you have any comments?
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>> Not today.
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>> Peter?
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>> Yeah. Um, just wanted to highlight a had
[5:31]
the opportunity to uh interview Kate
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Trasus a few weeks ago about what the uh
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DBA is doing. It's a program called
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vacant to vibrant and it's uh about
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turning the empty storefronts uh into
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opportunities in our downtown, bringing
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businesses into our downtown, some
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creativity back to our downtown and uh
[5:51]
strengthening Main Street and just
[5:53]
building a stronger community. So, I
[5:54]
wanted to give them a shout out if
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that's something that would uh interest
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you to reach out to Kate or Aaron for
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more details. It's uh it's a pretty
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exciting um and innovative idea and I'm looking forward to assisting
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wherever I can.
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>> Thank you, Peter. Amanda,
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>> um yeah, I have two things. Uh one
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thing, I want to acknowledge and thank
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the Vermont State Police for a traffic
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stop that they did on Monday. Um and
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they successfully apprehended a lot of
[6:20]
drugs that were going to come into our
[6:23]
community. So, thank you, Vermont State
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Police. Um, the other thing is I want to
[6:29]
acknowledge it's been 25 years since
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September 11th, and for us to have all
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been I know we've all been thinking
[6:35]
about first responders, people who lost
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family members. Um, and a time of
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remembrance is always really important.
[6:42]
So, thank you.
[6:44]
>> Thank you, Amanda Isaac.
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>> Yeah, I want to follow up. Um in the
[6:49]
last meeting I believe I mentioned that
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uh that we had had a conversation about
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parking. A group of people had shown up
[6:56]
at the library for that community
[6:58]
discussion and uh went to follow up that
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I did do what I said I would do which is
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to share those recommendations with the
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town manager what we had received and if
[7:08]
people are interested in in learning
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more about that or having more
[7:11]
discussion I'm I'm glad to have have
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that conversation.
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>> Thanks Isaac.
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I'm going to move to open public
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comment. So, this is an opportunity for
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anyone in the public, in the room or
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online, to make a comment or ask a
[7:24]
question about something that isn't
[7:26]
later on the agenda. The one exception
[7:28]
is if you have a a comment about the
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consent agenda, this is an excellent
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time to do that as well. Um, for the for
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speaking for this section and the entire
[7:38]
rest of the meeting, please just raise
[7:40]
your hand. I'll call on you if you'll
[7:42]
come up to the microphone and state your
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name and um make a comment. We do ask
[7:47]
people to stay under three minutes so
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that we can get through our meeting in
[7:50]
time. Um so members of the public with a
[7:53]
comment about something not on the
[7:54]
agenda. Yes, sir.
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>> Thank you.
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>> I'm Mark Baxter, live in downtown
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Brattleboro on the river. I just have
[8:05]
brief comments about the permit this
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evening requested by the new restaurant
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Railen River.
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I sent each of you an email about it,
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but let's let me briefly recap this
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evening for you in case you missed that.
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Uh I'm excited to see a business of this
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caliber opening in Brattleboro. I
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support the restaurant. I I go there.
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I'm simply asking and pointing out that
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sound carries extremely well across
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water. Uh much further, much louder than
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it normally would.
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And this permit is requesting amplified
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entertainment
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three nights
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each and every week until midnight.
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And I just want to point out that many
[8:53]
of us live within a block of that
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restaurant on the water. Uh so I have a
[8:59]
very simple request of the board and of
[9:02]
the restaurant
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that the amplified speakers remain
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inside the building
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away from the doors and not on the decks
[9:12]
of the restaurant overlooking the water.
[9:15]
Uh just to be respectful of the
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neighborhood and those living around
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them.
[9:20]
So the potential impact could be
[9:23]
significant and it's entirely avoidable.
[9:27]
and I just ask that the board consider
[9:29]
that and make it a condition of
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approval. Thank you.
[9:31]
>> Thank you.
[9:34]
>> So the way this will work, if any
[9:37]
members of the board want to pull an
[9:39]
item off the consent agenda for
[9:40]
discussion, they can do that at the
[9:43]
start of the next part of the meeting.
[9:45]
And if that happens, it'll then go at
[9:46]
the end of the regular agenda and we'll
[9:48]
discuss it in more detail. Uh other
[9:50]
comments? Yes, stick.
[9:57]
Thank you, Dick Gray, Bradboro.
[10:00]
Uh, I see that Vrans is in the room. I
[10:04]
won't direct my question at them. I'll
[10:06]
direct it at you, Mr. Chairman.
[10:07]
>> Thank you.
[10:08]
>> And at John. Uh, talking about the
[10:11]
synchronization of the street lights
[10:14]
from the junction, especially uh heading
[10:18]
north uh off the Hensdale uh bridge. uh
[10:24]
they seem to not have changed much with
[10:27]
the minor tweaking that was done and
[10:31]
also I have noticed and it's been going
[10:35]
on for a long time even before the
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bridge but on Saturday and Sunday if you
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are heading south and trying to get on
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to 142
[10:45]
that light that allows you to make that
[10:48]
lefthand turn changes after about two
[10:51]
vehicles.
[10:53]
Normally about seven or eight vehicles,
[10:55]
if not more, get through that light. But
[10:58]
on the weekend, the sequencing is
[11:00]
different for some reason. I've never
[11:03]
asked anyone why, but that that's a huge
[11:05]
issue. Uh especially on the weekends
[11:08]
because it backs traffic up all the way
[11:11]
up Main Street that's heading south. Uh
[11:15]
my second question would be I wasn't
[11:18]
here for the first meeting I believe in
[11:20]
August where I think it was mentioned
[11:23]
that a fire truck or of an apparatus in
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the fire department blew an engine. Uh I
[11:31]
think I had heard that if I could get an
[11:34]
update on the status of of what that is.
[11:37]
And uh the last thing I will say that uh
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the shelter is going to be open up in a
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couple of weeks. Uh again, I would I
[11:47]
would hope that uh we could make some
[11:50]
sort of movement before the winter
[11:52]
weather comes in with a sidewalk down
[11:55]
142 to uh the entrance up into the
[11:58]
shelter area. Thank you.
[12:00]
>> Thank you, Dick. Um
[12:04]
okay, so couple different questions. Are
[12:06]
there any that we can answer now?
[12:08]
Otherwise, we can write them down and
[12:12]
get back to you.
[12:12]
>> Well, uh Dan could update us on the
[12:15]
traffic lights if you would like.
[12:17]
>> That would be great. Thank you, Dan.
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» Yes. Uh VR approved some funds through a
[12:25]
change order to the paving project to
[12:27]
work on the synchronization of those
[12:29]
traffic lights. um AKRF and a a
[12:34]
consultant for Vrans
[12:37]
has begun the work. They collected all
[12:39]
the data and they gave it back to Vrans
[12:42]
to produce the timing. Um we're waiting
[12:46]
on that stuff. Once they get it the
[12:49]
timing back to AKRF, they'll implement
[12:51]
it. Um we've been saying anytime now,
[12:55]
but that's that's the message we keep
[12:56]
getting. Um, and as far as the sidewalk,
[13:00]
the railroads consultant has reviewed
[13:02]
the plans at this point. Um, we need to
[13:04]
make a few amendments to those, send
[13:07]
them back for review, and then hopefully
[13:08]
they'll issue the easement and then we
[13:11]
can keep moving forward on that project.
[13:14]
>> Thanks, Dan. So, it sounds like both in
[13:16]
progress with forward motion.
[13:18]
>> And then firetruck engines.
[13:20]
>> Um, I have no update on whether that's
[13:22]
been repaired yet, but I I think it has.
[13:25]
Um it's uh if if not it was a high
[13:27]
priority and they're trying to get
[13:29]
everything back online. So
[13:30]
>> okay and um for our guests from Vrans
[13:33]
don't worry you are only here for your
[13:35]
own agenda item and not on the hook for
[13:37]
that question.
[13:39]
>> Other questions or comments from the
[13:40]
public.
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>> Oh yes and I got sorry um I got an
[13:44]
update that that engine has been
[13:45]
repaired and is back in service. So
[13:47]
>> that was quick. Thank you. You're
[13:48]
welcome.
[13:49]
>> Yes sir.
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>> Thank you. Um, my name is Akmal Esahani.
[13:55]
Uh, I'm here to ask the Bra Select Board
[13:58]
to consider adopting a resolution
[14:00]
condemning the ongoing war against Iran
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and calling for an immediate end to the
[14:04]
violence, the protection of civilians,
[14:06]
and a diplomatic path toward peace.
[14:09]
Communities throughout the region have
[14:10]
recognized that local governments have a
[14:12]
moral voice when civilians are being
[14:14]
killed and communities are being
[14:16]
destroyed by war. Nearby towns, mostly
[14:18]
to do with Gaza or Palestine, have
[14:21]
passed resolutions calling for
[14:22]
ceasefires, humanitarian assistance,
[14:25]
protection of civilians, and an end to
[14:27]
policies that perpetuate violence. And
[14:29]
although Oakland, California is across
[14:31]
the country, to my understanding in June
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it passed a resolution actually titled
[14:36]
condemning the war in on Iran. I believe
[14:39]
Bow Roll should consider doing the same.
[14:41]
Condemning this war, to be clear, does
[14:44]
not mean supporting or condemning any
[14:45]
particular government or group. It is
[14:47]
entirely possible to disagree with the
[14:49]
government of Iran and also oppose the
[14:52]
bombing of Iranian cities and the
[14:54]
killing of Iranian civilians. We should
[14:56]
all take seriously the allegations that
[14:58]
some attacks in this conflict may be
[15:00]
violating international law. I therefore
[15:03]
ask Battleboro Select Board to consider
[15:05]
a resolution calling for an immediate
[15:08]
sessation of hostilities and and a
[15:10]
sustained ceasefire in Iran, the
[15:13]
protection of civilians and unrestricted
[15:14]
humanitarian assistance, independent
[15:17]
investigation of credible allegations of
[15:19]
violations of international law and
[15:21]
possible war crimes, a commitment to the
[15:23]
diplomacy and negotiations rather than
[15:26]
further military escalation, and support
[15:28]
for members of the Browboroough
[15:29]
community who are affected by this
[15:31]
conflict. Thank you.
[15:32]
>> Thank you, sir. And for anyone who's new
[15:35]
to the meeting for we can't have sub
[15:38]
substantive discussions about anything
[15:40]
that isn't warned later on the agenda.
[15:42]
So, thank you for your comment. And if
[15:43]
you have any materials or anything to
[15:45]
follow up with, please reach out.
[15:48]
>> May I offer one?
[15:49]
>> Sure.
[15:50]
>> Um, my name is Isaac. My name is right
[15:53]
here and I'd be interested in connecting
[15:54]
with you separate from this meeting. Um
[15:57]
there's plenty that we could do together
[15:59]
and apart from the select board as well.
[16:03]
>> Thank you Isaac. Any other comments from
[16:06]
the public?
[16:08]
>> Okay, seeing none, we'll move on to the
[16:10]
consent agenda.
[16:12]
>> Yes, sir.
[16:13]
>> I ask Steve is that is that after this?
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>> What's what topic?
[16:19]
>> Remind me.
[16:19]
>> Can I talk for three minutes?
[16:21]
>> Sure. Yes.
[16:22]
>> I'm Dr. William Foster. Um, I am the CEO
[16:26]
of Holographic Technologies, Inc. We are
[16:29]
headquartered on Chestnut Street and
[16:31]
John Serest Building. Um, I have 50
[16:34]
years of experience building AI data
[16:36]
centers. I built all the a data centers
[16:38]
for the military. I helped Algore invent
[16:40]
the internet. Um, I I I invented this. I
[16:44]
did all the Congress. I worked for G. I
[16:46]
built most of the AI data centers for
[16:48]
most of the the corporations. Um I am
[16:51]
the direct descendant and Phineas White,
[16:54]
the first congressman from southern
[16:56]
Vermont is my great-grandfather. Um
[16:58]
Phineas White at back in in the early
[17:01]
1800s worked with Daniel Webster, but it
[17:04]
was clear he thought that technology and
[17:07]
democracy could create a rural utopia in
[17:10]
southern Vermont. And he was damn sure
[17:12]
that Boston and New York were not going
[17:13]
to control Vermont. I can tell you a
[17:15]
hell of a lot more when when Vermont
[17:17]
when Brad was seceded from the union in
[17:19]
18 in 1780. Um
[17:22]
what I want to make clear is it is I
[17:25]
mean I all the people in the IT industry
[17:29]
are moving to Bradboro. The I mean you
[17:31]
go left and right you people in 40 50
[17:33]
years sol the most difficult problems
[17:34]
are all coming to either western mass
[17:37]
keen or southern Vermont. It's amazing.
[17:41]
But and many of them don't have jobs,
[17:42]
but they want to get the hell out of
[17:44]
California. It's horrible place.
[17:46]
Everyone knows Silicon Valley is going
[17:47]
to see that and basically the
[17:50]
semiconductor and the whole Silicon
[17:52]
Valley industry is gone. We're moving
[17:54]
away from electrons to photons from
[17:57]
semiconductors to holographs.
[18:00]
this electron we're just we have
[18:03]
destroyed the planet by relying on these
[18:05]
stupid AI data centers that use these
[18:08]
demon these that are taking massive
[18:09]
amounts of energy creating an electrom
[18:11]
and have caused climate change and if we
[18:13]
don't wake up in one year there will be
[18:15]
no humans ever on earth I'm sorry to be
[18:18]
here but basically within basically
[18:20]
every building in Windham County the old
[18:23]
buildings where we bought the factories
[18:24]
we retrofitted IBM GE
[18:28]
and Huawei technologies are going move
[18:30]
here. There's going to be trillions of
[18:32]
dollars coming into Windham County. It's
[18:34]
right. There's incredible jobs within
[18:36]
this radio if you to go from Boston to
[18:39]
or from Harvard and MIT to Darwin to
[18:41]
Yale to Williams. Incredible
[18:43]
opportunities. We've been the we have we
[18:45]
have led technology. It doesn't belong.
[18:47]
It belongs at Brad. Thanks.
[18:49]
>> Thank you.
[18:52]
Other comments by the public.
[18:56]
» Okay. So, let's move ahead to the
[18:57]
consent agenda. Um,
[19:02]
I do have a couple questions about the
[19:04]
rail and river application, but do you
[19:07]
why don't you give us the rundown first?
[19:10]
>> Okay. Um, so there are 10 items on the
[19:14]
consent agenda. One of them is if if you
[19:16]
approve the agenda, you'll be approving
[19:19]
an annual entertainment license for Rail
[19:21]
and River Tavern, which is located at 36
[19:24]
Bridge Street. You'll be approving a
[19:26]
secondass liquor license, tobacco
[19:28]
license, and tobacco substitute
[19:30]
endorsement permit renewal for J&K
[19:34]
grocery located at 69 Elliot Street.
[19:37]
You'll be approving a first and
[19:39]
secondass liquor license renewal for
[19:41]
Hool's Wines located at 972 Putney Road.
[19:45]
You'll be approving a secondass liquor
[19:47]
license, tobacco license, and to tobacco
[19:50]
substitute endorsement permit renewal
[19:52]
for change food mart at 228 Canal.
[19:56]
You'll be approving a first and third
[19:58]
class liquor license renewal for Snow
[20:00]
Republic located at 100 Maine. You'll be
[20:03]
reappointing Steven Nelson as deputy
[20:05]
town health officer. You'll be
[20:07]
appointing the town manager as the VLCT
[20:09]
annual meeting delegate. You'll be
[20:11]
approving error and emission changes to
[20:14]
the 2026 grand list. You'll be approving
[20:17]
an agreement to purchase road salt from
[20:19]
Morton Salt, Inc. under the state's
[20:21]
contract for 10469
[20:25]
a ton delivered and you'll be approving
[20:28]
a wastewater agreement with Alier's fire
[20:30]
district number one.
[20:32]
>> Thank you, John.
[20:37]
So I have a couple questions about the comments about rail and river. John,
[20:43]
maybe you can help me. So the desri the
[20:45]
only description of the use here in the
[20:48]
application is where it says live music
[20:50]
and trivia bingo and then the hours 8 to
[20:53]
12. That's
[20:55]
all we get in the application, right?
[20:57]
>> Yep. That's what the application asks
[20:58]
for.
[20:59]
>> Yeah. And if we grant the permit and
[21:02]
then let's say noise turns out to be a
[21:04]
big problem, what tools do we have?
[21:07]
>> We can revoke the permit or apply
[21:09]
conditions because there's issues that
[21:12]
um develop and um and and reissue it.
[21:16]
>> Okay. Um my only other comment is that I
[21:20]
remember the old wetstone used to do
[21:23]
live music and similar things at some
[21:26]
context. So
[21:28]
my feeling is my personal inclination is
[21:31]
not to pull it and revisit if there's an
[21:34]
actual if we actually start to hear
[21:36]
complaints, but um any one board member
[21:39]
can pull any item from consents and
[21:41]
we'll move it to the end of the agenda.
[21:42]
>> And we can also pass along the concern
[21:45]
uh when we issue the license if you
[21:46]
would like.
[21:48]
>> Yes, that sounds good.
[21:50]
>> It said in the agenda that a
[21:51]
representative from River and Rail was
[21:53]
here would or would be here. So
[21:57]
hopefully that person is hearing the
[21:58]
concern about yeah the volume notably on
[22:01]
the the outdoor decks it sounds like.
[22:03]
>> Okay. They may be.
[22:04]
>> Yeah. I'm seeing nods.
[22:09]
» Okay.
[22:09]
>> So are you saying that we should pull
[22:12]
this from the agenda and talk about it?
[22:13]
>> That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying
[22:15]
that uh passing along the concern is
[22:17]
good and it also seems like we have the
[22:18]
opportunity that someone's directly here
[22:20]
in the room to hear the concern right
[22:21]
now as we're discussing it as it's been
[22:23]
voiced. Yep.
[22:24]
>> Okay. So, um either a request to pull or
[22:27]
if someone otherwise would like to make
[22:28]
a motion to
[22:29]
>> a
[22:29]
>> motion
[22:31]
a motion to accept the uh consent agenda
[22:34]
as presented.
[22:35]
>> Okay, Peter has moved to accept the
[22:37]
consent agenda as presented. All board
[22:39]
members in favor, please say I.
[22:41]
>> I.
[22:42]
>> And that carries 5-0.
[22:52]
» All right, moving along to regular
[22:53]
business. This is where the adjustment
[22:56]
to the agenda will take place. So, we're
[22:58]
going to start with C, finance
[23:01]
department reports, and then take
[23:02]
everything else in order. So, we're
[23:05]
starting with a presentation by town
[23:07]
staff. I think we have Bonnie on Zoom.
[23:10]
And
[23:12]
>> is it you or Sarah Rose?
[23:13]
>> I'm not sure. I did see Sarah Rose, but
[23:16]
I don't Oh, there she is. Come on up.
[23:19]
>> Yes, you're invited to the table.
[23:22]
And I think it sounds like the three of
[23:24]
you would may divide this up in
[23:26]
different ways.
[23:27]
>> Yeah. And so I guess uh I guess I'll start uh by um introducing the
[23:34]
board and the public to Sarah Rose
[23:36]
Bissell, our new finance director who
[23:38]
has um started this last month. And um
[23:43]
of course Bonnie Batch Elder is uh who
[23:46]
you've uh been working with for the past
[23:49]
uh year and a half. And um tonight we
[23:52]
were going to cover three things in the
[23:55]
finance reports. The first uh Bonnie
[23:58]
will talk about the finance report
[24:01]
through June 2026. So the kind of the
[24:04]
quarterly review for the last quarter of
[24:06]
fiscal year 26. Uh then um Sarah Rose,
[24:12]
we will do the July report uh for this
[24:17]
fiscal year or I will if you're not
[24:19]
prepared to do that.
[24:21]
>> And uh then finally um Bonnie will uh uh
[24:26]
address the FY25 audit which has been
[24:29]
completed and we had spoken about
[24:31]
several meetings ago and um that this
[24:34]
would be the time to delve into that. if
[24:36]
you wish.
[24:37]
>> Would it be possible to do audit before
[24:40]
myself since Bonnie's on a timeline?
[24:42]
>> Oh, yes. Good idea. Thank you. That
[24:44]
sounds good.
[24:44]
>> Y Okay.
[24:45]
>> Okay. Yes. Let's start with the audit
[24:48]
and turn it over to Bonnie.
[24:50]
>> Hello. Uh, also thank you very much for
[24:54]
accommodating the schedule switchound. I
[24:57]
appreciate it. Um so the FY25 audit is
[25:02]
complete um signed and the um federal
[25:06]
reporting is done and complete. At the
[25:10]
close of the 26 report uh we did
[25:15]
do an analysis of where 25 ended up with
[25:19]
the fund balance as it relates to the
[25:21]
general fund. So um I will comment that
[25:24]
there were no issues, no findings in the
[25:28]
FY25 audit. Uh and we have also begun um
[25:34]
preparation and internal control testing
[25:36]
for the FY26 audit. Um so the auditors
[25:41]
will begin or have already been here to
[25:43]
do the co control testing for FY26
[25:47]
and the field work will begin in
[25:49]
October.
[25:51]
Um so overall I think towards the end of
[25:55]
this there's a uh chart that I did for
[25:59]
the FY25 audit and projecting into FY26
[26:03]
and I think that probably will explain
[26:06]
uh maybe some open questions with fund
[26:08]
balances
[26:10]
unless there are any specific questions
[26:12]
that someone has.
[26:15]
No, I think go ahead and I
[26:19]
>> Okay, so um we the June report is for
[26:24]
the full year. The 12 months ended June
[26:27]
30th 26 and the year ended uh in a a
[26:32]
very positive place. We ended up with
[26:35]
our revenues uh at 108% of our budget
[26:40]
with our expenses at 105% of our budget.
[26:44]
Our total revenues ended at 27 million
[26:47]
with expenses at 26 million currently
[26:51]
leaving a surplus um in the general fund
[26:54]
of $889,000.
[26:58]
That will be subject to change by minor
[27:01]
adjustments hopefully uh for acrruals
[27:04]
that are coming in between now and the
[27:06]
time of the audit. Um, so that's not a
[27:09]
steadfast number that you'll see in the
[27:11]
FY26 audit, but it should be a very good
[27:14]
indication of where um, we will end up
[27:17]
in increasing the fund balance for FY26.
[27:22]
We ended the year with cash balances of
[27:25]
$17.8 million
[27:28]
um, and receivables of 1.9 million. And
[27:31]
you can see the breakdown again
[27:33]
including the EMS receivable that we've
[27:36]
talked about several times and a another
[27:39]
large number with the local option tax.
[27:42]
So receivables and and the local option
[27:45]
tax has been collected. And since we're
[27:47]
already in September, we've gone through
[27:49]
the July and August receivables for EMS.
[27:57]
The EMS revenue um of 1.2 2 million uh
[28:02]
was exceeded our approved budget by
[28:06]
362,000
[28:08]
which is pretty close to an average of
[28:10]
what it's been trailing at all year and
[28:13]
what we expected. And again, the
[28:15]
receivable calculation that we check
[28:17]
every month is averaging still at 38%
[28:21]
which is what we're picking up for
[28:23]
receivables.
[28:25]
Not much change in the benefits, still
[28:27]
79% of the budget.
[28:30]
um health insurance coming in less than
[28:32]
what we expected being the biggest piece
[28:35]
of that. And again with the risk
[28:37]
management those um did exceed in budget
[28:41]
what what we had budgeted um a lot of
[28:44]
that is uh just increases in what was
[28:48]
added to the insurance. There were a lot
[28:51]
of items that we found um were not on
[28:54]
the insurance and we um the finance
[28:57]
staff went through those very carefully
[28:59]
to make sure that all of the items that
[29:02]
needed to be insured were included. Uh
[29:04]
and that is a continual um project that
[29:07]
the finance office continues to go so
[29:10]
that if there is a loss within the town,
[29:13]
uh there's no surprises and everything's
[29:15]
covered such as fences and other items
[29:18]
that people may not have thought or were
[29:21]
assumed were part of building insurance.
[29:25]
Um again, we highlighted the fire and
[29:28]
the police overtime. uh those all came
[29:31]
in in comparison to what was budgeted
[29:34]
when you take the actual salaries uh and
[29:38]
overtime. So those those were um what
[29:41]
we've discussed pretty much all year
[29:43]
long in the utilities fund. The
[29:46]
cumulative re revenues came in at 108%
[29:50]
of budget and expenditures at 99% of
[29:53]
budget leaving a surplus in the utility
[29:56]
fund of 495,000.
[29:58]
And that's even after we've recorded uh
[30:02]
depreciation of 2.7 million.
[30:06]
The parking fund revenues came in at 71%
[30:09]
of the annual budget expenditures at
[30:13]
120% of the uh annual budget with a
[30:16]
deficit of 497,000
[30:20]
of which um 289,000
[30:23]
of that is depreciation.
[30:25]
And we also had loss on disposal of
[30:28]
assets of 212,000.
[30:31]
These weren't these were just um
[30:34]
obsolete assets that we removed from the
[30:38]
system.
[30:41]
The transfer uh report has not changed
[30:44]
and is the same that has been for the
[30:47]
last few months that we've talked about.
[30:50]
The reserve balances for the fire and
[30:52]
truck and fire truck and ambulance.
[30:54]
those are normally increasing currently
[30:56]
by just the interest earnings that we're
[30:58]
allocating to those reserve balances.
[31:02]
So I don't know if you've had a chance
[31:04]
to look at the schedule that I prepared
[31:08]
that I believe is on yeah it follows the
[31:12]
last um written page here of the fund
[31:16]
balance that says FY25 final and
[31:18]
projected FY26.
[31:21]
But you will see that I gave you a
[31:23]
detail of where we started in the
[31:26]
unassigned fund balance at the 63024
[31:30]
audit, what the FY25 changes were and
[31:34]
where we ended up at the end of FY25.
[31:37]
This is very close to the figure that we
[31:40]
estimated back in February of 26, but
[31:43]
this has a more granular breakdown of
[31:47]
what created that loss. And just to
[31:50]
summarize,
[31:51]
we had uh funds that were voted on
[31:56]
uh of $851,836
[32:00]
that were voted on by RTM
[32:04]
um for public safety and waste
[32:06]
management.
[32:08]
Again, because we were on the modified
[32:10]
or we are on the modified acrruel basis,
[32:12]
the difference in deferred taxes at the
[32:15]
end of the 60 days that we have to
[32:17]
record in our books is another um
[32:20]
negative to our fund balance of 118,000.
[32:24]
And the remaining 536,000
[32:27]
is made up of operational deficit with
[32:30]
the largest piece being uh the
[32:35]
deficiency in staff benefits and payroll
[32:38]
taxes that was calculated in the budget.
[32:41]
But I also did want to point out that
[32:43]
the EMS revenue exceeded budget by
[32:47]
464,000
[32:48]
which helped minimize those operational
[32:51]
deficits.
[32:54]
So, that was where 25 ended up. And with
[32:58]
the 26 projections that we have, uh,
[33:01]
we're looking at a $889,000
[33:05]
surplus, which can change by minor
[33:08]
amounts because of acred expenses that
[33:10]
may come in between now and the 1st of
[33:12]
October. We're anticipating that the
[33:15]
fund balance undeid fund balance in the
[33:18]
general fund will increase to 1,36,000.
[33:26]
» Great. Thank you.
[33:29]
>> So that takes us through the audit and
[33:31]
the the the endofear monthly report for
[33:35]
FY 26.
[33:38]
Um, let's stop there because that was a
[33:40]
lot of material and um, questions from
[33:44]
the board.
[33:47]
» Yep. Um, hi Bonnie. Thank you.
[33:49]
>> Hi.
[33:50]
Uh
[33:52]
this is probably my own confusion here,
[33:55]
but in the in the memo that you just
[33:57]
outlined, the FY25 final and projected
[34:00]
FY26,
[34:02]
um the listed net reductions of 536
[34:06]
for the operational deficit, um I was
[34:09]
just confused because in the actual uh
[34:11]
chart below that we have 761
[34:17]
listed as the deficiency for budget and
[34:19]
staff. benefits and payroll taxes. Um,
[34:23]
so I just I hadn't seen how that nets
[34:26]
out to 536.
[34:29]
>> Um, so what I called out were the first
[34:32]
two items were the two items voted on
[34:35]
for RTM. The third item is the deferred
[34:39]
taxes and the remaining four items in
[34:42]
the bottom which is the audit fee and
[34:44]
workers comp, the deficiency for staff
[34:47]
benefits and taxes, the uh increase in
[34:51]
EMS revenue and then the uh excess of
[34:55]
overtime and other smaller items. The
[34:58]
combination of those last four items
[35:01]
total the 500 for operational deficit.
[35:05]
Okay. Sorry, I had not included the
[35:07]
>> That's okay.
[35:09]
>> I appreciate that. And then
[35:12]
um
[35:13]
I had been getting was relative to the EMS revenue that's listed in here.
[35:19]
Um is that
[35:23]
how much of that is is cash that's been
[35:26]
collected relative to the receivable
[35:28]
rate that we are working with?
[35:32]
» I can't answer that question.
[35:36]
I I can't I mean it's that is 100% of
[35:40]
the revenue for FY25
[35:44]
and it has been collected through 26 but
[35:49]
that is revenue that is directly
[35:51]
associated with
[35:53]
25.
[35:55]
So I can't convert it to cash because
[35:58]
it's on an acrruel basis. So I I'm sorry
[36:02]
>> receivable number
[36:04]
Okay.
[36:05]
>> Yep.
[36:12]
Other questions
[36:16]
here. We'll we'll go through and come
[36:17]
back. Peter, do you or do you have more
[36:20]
questions now?
[36:21]
Okay. Peter, any questions?
[36:23]
>> No, I'm good. Thank you.
[36:24]
>> Okay. I have a couple quick ones, I
[36:27]
hope. Thank you. That was a great
[36:28]
presentation. Um,
[36:31]
on the parking funds,
[36:34]
200,000 on the loss of disposal of
[36:35]
assets. Is that purely like a write off
[36:40]
on the books or did we actually spend
[36:43]
$212,000
[36:44]
doing that?
[36:46]
>> No, it's a write off on the books. So um
[36:50]
each each department, the general fund,
[36:52]
utilities and parking has a set of
[36:55]
assets uh that have accumulated since
[36:58]
the beginning of time. And there were
[37:00]
some items on there that were obsolete
[37:02]
that either a building was uh destroyed
[37:05]
or determined obsolete and should no
[37:07]
longer be in service. And once an asset
[37:09]
is should no longer be in service, we
[37:12]
need to write it off. So again this year
[37:15]
the finance department has taken great
[37:17]
care to reach out to all the departments
[37:19]
and go over the fixed asset schedules to
[37:22]
make sure that anything that is obsolete
[37:26]
uh or useless is taken off the schedule.
[37:29]
So it is a write off.
[37:31]
>> Great. And then
[37:34]
the only other question I had in the
[37:36]
audit when we see that unassigned fund
[37:38]
balance number the 470 something for
[37:41]
FY25
[37:43]
that number to my understanding includes
[37:47]
receivables, right?
[37:49]
>> Correct.
[37:52]
>> Okay, that's all I had. Amanda?
[37:54]
>> Yeah. Thank you, Bonnie. Um, nice to see
[37:57]
you. Thank you for being here tonight.
[37:59]
Um, I had a question about the deferred
[38:01]
property the ne the net change in
[38:03]
deferred property taxes. So, does this
[38:05]
mean the net change from 2024?
[38:10]
» I'm sorry, you kind of cut out.
[38:12]
>> Oh, does that mean the net change from
[38:14]
2024 to 2025?
[38:16]
>> Yep.
[38:18]
>> Okay. Um,
[38:21]
and uh do we know do we know or remember
[38:24]
what it was in 2024?
[38:27]
um from 2023 to 2024 is it an increase
[38:31]
in deferral or approximately the same?
[38:34]
>> It's an it's an increase in deferral.
[38:36]
So, so basically what happens um is that
[38:41]
we calculate uh receivables like you can
[38:45]
go back up to our receivable schedule on
[38:47]
the first page of the report of property
[38:50]
taxes that are due as of June 30th.
[38:54]
Because we're on a modified acrruel
[38:56]
basis, we can only include in revenue
[38:59]
what was collected in the first 60 days
[39:02]
of the new fiscal year. So on August
[39:06]
31st, we run another report of
[39:09]
outstanding receivables for property
[39:11]
taxes on August 31st for all periods
[39:15]
June 30th and before. And whatever that
[39:18]
number is, we defer it, which means we
[39:22]
reduce revenue
[39:25]
>> because it's we can't include it in
[39:27]
income. And so we do this every year and
[39:30]
the net change from one year to the next
[39:33]
that's what that 118,000 is. So our
[39:36]
deferred taxes
[39:38]
for FY25
[39:40]
are $118,000
[39:43]
more than it was in 24. So we have that
[39:46]
much more of a reduction in revenue.
[39:49]
>> Okay. And then also just going back to
[39:52]
another property tax question. So, in
[39:55]
property, this is from the June. Are we
[39:58]
Can we leap into the June report or
[40:00]
should we?
[40:01]
>> Yes, I think Bonnie talked about both of
[40:03]
those.
[40:03]
>> Flip between both.
[40:04]
>> Yeah, I think we'll have to. um for
[40:06]
property tax receivable, net of school
[40:09]
taxes. Um
[40:12]
I guess my question is um the interest
[40:15]
receivable and the penalty receivables
[40:18]
are those just the current year or are
[40:21]
some of those carryover from previous
[40:23]
years?
[40:24]
>> It it's cumulative.
[40:26]
>> Okay.
[40:27]
>> So it's it is it's all years that are
[40:29]
outstanding. Um that regards to interest
[40:33]
and penalties.
[40:35]
>> Correct. It it's in regards to property
[40:38]
tax interest and penalties. It's
[40:41]
cumulatively all years that are
[40:43]
outstanding as of June 30th.
[40:46]
>> But those those line items are separate
[40:49]
from the deferral. Totally different.
[40:53]
>> Correct.
[40:55]
These are receivables. the A85,
[40:58]
the 65,000, the 62,000, those are all
[41:01]
due to the town. And the deferral is
[41:05]
just a the amount of receivables that
[41:08]
are still outstanding in August that we
[41:10]
need to take out of income.
[41:13]
>> Got it. Thank you.
[41:16]
>> Questions?
[41:16]
>> No questions, just comments about town
[41:19]
finances.
[41:20]
>> Go for it. Well, first of all, just
[41:23]
thank you, Bonnie, for all of the work
[41:25]
that you've been doing both as our
[41:28]
auditor and now for the last year. Is it
[41:31]
as our um in this role that you've had,
[41:34]
this contract role with our finance
[41:36]
department. um just really appreciate
[41:39]
the financial management. You're helping
[41:42]
us modernize, helping us um improve our
[41:46]
systems and I I am just really grateful
[41:51]
for the fact that we've had monthly
[41:53]
finance reports, the quarterly reports
[41:55]
that you've prepared. It's just been
[41:57]
great to have this expertise and your
[41:59]
expertise in particular. I'm also really
[42:02]
excited that we have Sarah Rose here.
[42:04]
Um, it's awesome that we have somebody
[42:06]
who's going to be in house as our
[42:07]
finance director. This is something that
[42:10]
folks across the political spectrum and
[42:12]
Brattleboroough have been calling for a while. And I'm excited about that
[42:16]
investment that we're making in our
[42:18]
town. I'm really grateful for the
[42:19]
overlap between um as you start Sarah
[42:22]
Rose and as you complete your service,
[42:25]
Bonnie, to be able to have that handoff.
[42:28]
Um,
[42:30]
so backing up, I am, you know, there's a
[42:35]
lot of concerns that we hear in our town
[42:37]
about homelessness, about crime, about
[42:40]
drugs, um, even parking, which I've been
[42:43]
working on.
[42:45]
But I continue to see that our town
[42:46]
finances are the key thing that's going
[42:49]
that it's our the success of our town
[42:52]
really depends on us being in good
[42:54]
financial shape. And it I'm deeply
[42:58]
concerned about that unassigned fund
[42:59]
balance that has gotten so low. And it
[43:03]
concerns me because there is a
[43:07]
discrepancy between what we say what we
[43:10]
say is our policy and what we've been
[43:12]
doing. Because in November of 2012, the
[43:16]
select board prede
[43:18]
uh preceding select board said that our
[43:20]
policy was that 10% of our operating
[43:24]
annual operating budget would be in an
[43:26]
emergency reserve fund and in two years
[43:30]
ago that fund was depleted
[43:33]
significantly. Decisions that were made
[43:34]
by a preceding select board resulted in
[43:37]
the depletion significant depletion
[43:39]
along you know decisions that were
[43:40]
ratified by town meeting. But we've seen
[43:43]
that depleted and then a year and a half
[43:47]
ago our select board recommitted to that
[43:49]
10% and we're we're far from being
[43:52]
there. And so what I would like to see
[43:55]
is our narrow the gap between our uh
[44:01]
convictions and our commitments and to
[44:04]
actually walk the talk and get those
[44:06]
reserves back to where they need to be.
[44:09]
There's been there was an excellent
[44:11]
suggestion from our past finance
[44:13]
committee chair or our budget advisory
[44:15]
committee to have a separate fund for an
[44:18]
emergency reserve fund and not just be
[44:21]
our unassigned fund balance. Um I think
[44:23]
that's a great idea. There are other
[44:25]
ideas too about looking you know looking
[44:27]
five years ahead doing financial
[44:29]
planning that's real realistic robust
[44:32]
process looking five years ahead. So, I
[44:34]
think there's plenty of plenty of work
[44:35]
that's going to be on um ahead for our
[44:39]
finance department and our community,
[44:41]
but I really see that the the select
[44:43]
board has a leadership opportunity here.
[44:46]
And I would like to encourage our select
[44:48]
board to have a discussion. And I I've
[44:52]
been talking I know I brought this up
[44:54]
informally to you, Oscar, but I would
[44:56]
really like to see our select board have
[44:58]
a discussion that's focused on on
[45:01]
finances in a way that's taking a step
[45:03]
back a little bit and not just get it
[45:05]
not just line by line in each of these
[45:08]
reports. They're really good questions
[45:09]
that we're asking, but I think we need
[45:11]
to take a a broader look at our
[45:13]
finances. think about what are the
[45:15]
things that we want to put in place
[45:17]
before we get into the budgeting season.
[45:19]
What are the things in terms of our
[45:21]
those that reserve fund that was a great
[45:23]
suggestion that Millisent raised, but
[45:25]
she's raised it multiple times and we
[45:27]
haven't gotten back to her on that. What
[45:29]
are we actually doing to put ourselves
[45:31]
in really good shape so we have a strong
[45:34]
financial foundation that gives us the
[45:37]
capacity to do all the cool things that
[45:39]
we want to do as this community. Because
[45:41]
if we don't have that, if we don't have
[45:42]
those reserves, if we don't have that
[45:44]
strong financial health, and I'm not
[45:47]
talking just about cutting taxes, I'm
[45:49]
also talking about really like the the financial planning and the financial
[45:54]
um well-being of this town, then I think
[45:58]
we're at risk for for for problems down
[46:00]
the road. And so I'm looking at how how
[46:03]
can we as a board like we did that
[46:04]
really great work this this spring
[46:06]
coming together and coming up with what
[46:08]
are our priorities for this year? How
[46:10]
can we continue to um how can how can we
[46:14]
make good on the the policies that we've
[46:16]
set and and our folks up here up for
[46:20]
having having a retreat next month or
[46:22]
having a meeting that's focused
[46:25]
specifically on our town's financial
[46:27]
health?
[46:30]
>> Thank you, Isaac. Those are that's a
[46:33]
good question. Um
[46:38]
it's well I think do we want to consider
[46:43]
uh a longer more detailed finance
[46:45]
specific meeting or discussion
[46:48]
before budget season? Um
[46:52]
that's certainly up to the board. I'm
[46:54]
always game to talk about stuff. Um,
[46:59]
I don't know if this is a decision for
[47:01]
us to make in this exact moment and this
[47:04]
exact agenda item, but
[47:07]
if Yeah, I I'm I'm not sure. I'm happy
[47:10]
to
[47:12]
bring that to agenda setting and go
[47:14]
through that process. But if
[47:16]
>> since we're talking about um in point D
[47:19]
for the FY28 budget process,
[47:23]
>> um some of the proposed dates and
[47:26]
timelines there do include a retreat
[47:28]
that would be budget specific in
[47:31]
November. So maybe it would more
[47:34]
naturally come up then. I mean like in
[47:36]
terms of discussing if we wanted an
[47:38]
additional one.
[47:38]
>> I think that makes sense.
[47:40]
>> Okay. Is that all right? All right.
[47:42]
>> Thanks.
[47:42]
>> Um thank you. I do have one more
[47:45]
follow-up question. Bonnie, you just
[47:46]
tell me if this is wrong, but the way I
[47:49]
read the deferred property taxes line in
[47:53]
a very high level way is that it is
[47:55]
essentially good a good thing for
[47:59]
looking at the deficit. It is money that
[48:01]
we expect to get and are very likely to
[48:03]
get because we almost always in the end
[48:05]
collect all our property taxes. We
[48:07]
didn't get it in time to book it as
[48:09]
revenue, but at some point it will
[48:12]
arrive. So in that sense, the deficit is
[48:16]
$118,000
[48:18]
smaller than it looks in terms of where
[48:20]
we'll eventually end up and that's why
[48:22]
it's not included in the operational
[48:24]
deficit. Like this is money that we
[48:26]
don't think will actually fail to
[48:28]
collect. Is that broadly right?
[48:31]
>> It it you one way or the other you will
[48:34]
be able to collect it in the future.
[48:36]
Yes.
[48:38]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[48:40]
Let's hear from the public now because
[48:42]
it's a good breakpoint and then we'll
[48:44]
briefly do the same again after the FY27
[48:49]
budget update. But does anyone in the
[48:50]
public have a question about the FY25
[48:54]
audit or the FY26
[48:56]
monthly finance report?
[48:59]
Yes, Heidi.
[49:05]
Fishcher Brown just in the 26
[49:08]
report that she just went over it said
[49:11]
for the parking fund it says revenues
[49:12]
are 71% of the annual budget
[49:14]
expenditures are 100 to 20% of the
[49:16]
annual budget and gives the figures that represents.
[49:21]
That sounds like a big problem to me and
[49:22]
I haven't heard any discussion of it. So
[49:25]
I'm wondering what you're planning to
[49:28]
do.
[49:29]
>> That's a great question. Um, I think the
[49:32]
first line answer to that is that
[49:36]
none of that deficit is a cash deficit.
[49:40]
200,000 of it is a write-off on assets
[49:42]
we're taking off the books. 300,000 is
[49:45]
depreciation, which does matter. Those
[49:47]
are assets degrading that we're not
[49:49]
putting money aside for, but it's not a
[49:51]
cash loss. So, that's a partial answer.
[49:53]
And the other answer is that I think
[49:54]
everyone up here is has been concerned
[49:56]
about parking. I certainly don't have
[49:59]
any easy answers, but we're all thinking
[50:02]
about it. Um, yeah, Isaac.
[50:05]
>> Well, I've been thinking about and
[50:07]
talking about a lot. I would be
[50:09]
interested while we have Bonnie and
[50:12]
while we have our planning planning
[50:14]
director, if there are and department of
[50:16]
public work public works, if if you have
[50:20]
thoughts um and I understand that I'm
[50:23]
also this is you don't have to take the
[50:25]
invitation to be put on the spot here.
[50:27]
Um but thoughts about how we could move
[50:32]
towards a balanced budget for our
[50:34]
parking fund with and also remind us I
[50:38]
actually am very concerned about the
[50:39]
depreciation of assets and the fact that
[50:41]
we're basically putting off it's another
[50:43]
way that we're putting off um expenses
[50:46]
that are going to be down the road. Um
[50:48]
and I just don't think that's right to
[50:50]
be putting off to taxpayers in the
[50:52]
future um a much bigger bill. So, one of
[50:57]
the one of the the questions that I have
[51:01]
is um you know, what are are there
[51:06]
thoughts on ways to um increase? Oh, I'm
[51:10]
sorry. The train of thought is I know
[51:12]
part of the reason why we have this this
[51:14]
uh
[51:16]
deficit is because we're still in
[51:19]
startup mode with this new system.
[51:21]
That's what's been the explanation that
[51:22]
I've heard is that right that we're
[51:25]
adapting I'm gonna say that a full
[51:27]
discussion of the parking system is not
[51:29]
germanine to this month's financial
[51:32]
report. It's I see the relationship, but
[51:35]
that conversation would take us far and
[51:37]
wide from the actual agenda.
[51:38]
>> Good point.
[51:40]
>> Um
[51:42]
but in terms of the finance part, do you
[51:45]
>> I agree with you.
[51:45]
>> The point is partly it's like we're
[51:48]
we've implemented a new system. The town
[51:50]
of Broadway has implemented a new
[51:51]
system. there are growing pains and
[51:53]
hope, you know, hopefully we'll see
[51:55]
something better, but hope isn't
[51:57]
something that I want to bank on and I'd
[51:59]
like to us to have a more robust
[52:01]
conversation at some point down the road
[52:03]
about um how we can have a sustainable
[52:06]
parking system. It's financially
[52:08]
sustainable. So maybe it's a an agenda
[52:10]
item for
[52:11]
>> I think that makes sense.
[52:12]
>> Exactly.
[52:13]
>> And John, were you that was your
[52:15]
>> Yeah, basically
[52:16]
>> another a Yeah, something that's more
[52:18]
policy related. This is number
[52:20]
>> reporting. Sure.
[52:22]
>> I'm making a note.
[52:23]
>> I I I want you to know that that that concern is heard and I think
[52:28]
something that we need to address.
[52:30]
>> Thank you. Um other questions on the
[52:33]
June FY26
[52:36]
finance report and or the 25 audit?
[52:41]
Dick. Yes.
[52:48]
My recommendation about the parking fund
[52:50]
is for us
[52:51]
>> you say your name. We all know Dick Deg
[52:52]
Grrey. Actually, my recommendation for
[52:55]
that parking fund actually is to uh
[52:59]
lease it or sell it and have us get out
[53:03]
of the parking system altogether and
[53:06]
certainly not have the town take this
[53:08]
over. uh because in the last 10 years my
[53:12]
uh feeling is that this fund has been
[53:15]
this enterprise fund has been
[53:17]
drastically mismanaged but I'll take
[53:20]
that up when we discuss this
[53:23]
a question for the acrruel basis Bonnie
[53:25]
and and I want to thank you for your
[53:27]
service to the town uh and filling in
[53:30]
for us and I I do appreciate that the
[53:32]
acral basis with the EMS money is that
[53:37]
money that has been set to collections
[53:41]
and I know I believe you get to count it
[53:44]
but there is a cost for what the
[53:49]
collection people if they do collect
[53:52]
money they get a certain percentage of
[53:54]
it. So how would we get to count all the bills that have been uncollected
[54:02]
even though we get to count them? That's
[54:03]
question one. And just clarify for me
[54:08]
with these uh under the unassigned uh
[54:12]
fund balance all the notes are they part
[54:15]
of the unassigned fund balance that
[54:18]
money was spent uh when you talk about
[54:22]
uh overtime in excess of uh budget with
[54:27]
other offsets. That's just the example.
[54:30]
if money was money taken from the
[54:32]
unassigned fund balance and I would have
[54:35]
a follow-up question after you give that
[54:38]
answer. Thank you.
[54:40]
>> All right. So, Bonnie, we have two two
[54:42]
questions from Dick. One is whether the
[54:45]
receivables for EMS does that refer to
[54:47]
money that's in collections?
[54:50]
>> No, it does not.
[54:53]
So the receivable for EMS is outstanding
[54:55]
bills to which we apply a 38%
[54:58]
expected rate of return.
[55:00]
>> Right? So we we get a report every
[55:03]
single month of 100% of the EMS
[55:06]
receivables that are outstanding. Um and
[55:09]
based again on when EMS started with all
[55:13]
of the studies they anticipated that 38%
[55:17]
38 cents of every dollar would be
[55:19]
collected or collectible by the town. So
[55:23]
we have followed that and I have tracked
[55:25]
that mathematically to make sure that is what we are collecting. Our
[55:31]
average is 38% or higher. So we take 38%
[55:35]
of 100% of the receivables and that's
[55:39]
what we book. So it is absolutely not in
[55:42]
collections because it's only at 38% of
[55:45]
the total.
[55:47]
>> Thanks Bonnie. And the second question
[55:49]
spend from unassigned fund balance. You
[55:51]
tell me if this is right Bonnie but
[55:53]
whenever we spend money it is coming out
[55:55]
of fund balance. It is not a fund that
[55:58]
we deplete. Um extra revenue that we get
[56:01]
goes into it. extra money we spend comes
[56:03]
out of it. So essentially we spent in
[56:05]
deficit whatever this total amount is
[56:08]
and when I say we I mean the town in
[56:10]
FY25. Um some of those expenses were
[56:14]
planned and decided by the select board
[56:16]
at that time and ratified by RTM. Some
[56:18]
were operational things going over
[56:20]
budget. So that's what the breakdown is.
[56:21]
So EMS
[56:22]
>> correct
[56:23]
>> over brings the deficit back closer to
[56:26]
zero. Overtime being high brings it down
[56:28]
again. Yes. a followup. Is is that
[56:31]
right, Bonnie?
[56:32]
>> That's correct. Yep.
[56:35]
>> So, my understanding of the unassigned
[56:37]
fund balance is after we do the audit,
[56:40]
it's any revenues that were uh remaining
[56:46]
would go into the unassigned fund
[56:47]
balance just like we can't spend
[56:50]
restricted money. And until there's an
[56:53]
audit, then any revenues, which you're
[56:58]
talking about EMS, that revenue would go
[57:00]
in. I don't know how you get to spend
[57:04]
money out of the unassigned fund balance
[57:07]
that's not approved by the select board
[57:09]
and then approved by which was RTM,
[57:13]
which would now be OTM. That's what I'm
[57:15]
looking for clarification on. You don't
[57:18]
just the board or the administration
[57:22]
doesn't get to spend money out of the
[57:24]
unassigned fund balance without board
[57:27]
approval.
[57:28]
Uh and then it has to go if like they
[57:31]
did a few years ago with with the police
[57:34]
uh the addition of the uh emergency
[57:38]
hires for the police department. Then it
[57:41]
had to be ratified by uh RTM now which
[57:44]
would be OTM. That's what I'm looking
[57:46]
for clarification on.
[57:48]
>> All right. Well, I'll start and somebody
[57:50]
else can, John or Bonnie, when I start
[57:53]
messing it up. But the town is
[57:56]
constantly spending money. The town is
[57:58]
paying payroll. The town is paying
[58:00]
health insurance. We get reports every
[58:03]
month that say health um overtime is way
[58:06]
high. That means we've been spending
[58:08]
that money on overtime more than we
[58:10]
budgeted the whole year. everything, all
[58:13]
those expenditures are just as coming
[58:16]
out of fund balance as anything else.
[58:17]
This these aren't capital expenses that
[58:19]
would go to a town meeting. These are
[58:21]
budgets running over and running a
[58:23]
deficit. That is my summary. Um but I'm
[58:27]
open to corrections.
[58:30]
>> No, you're correct. And just um you
[58:33]
know, just be careful on the wording of
[58:36]
you you know spending fund balance. Fund
[58:39]
balance is a is a number that stays the
[58:42]
same throughout the year. And when you
[58:45]
close a year, the net result of that
[58:48]
year, the revenue less expenses
[58:51]
either increases or decreases the fund
[58:54]
balance for the next fiscal year. So
[58:57]
FY24 fund balance stayed that number
[59:00]
until we closed FY25.
[59:02]
for a deficit and that
[59:05]
reduced the fund balance that we started
[59:08]
FY26 with and that fund balance stayed
[59:11]
consistent throughout FY26
[59:15]
>> even as the money in the bank account
[59:17]
fluctuates wildly all the time as taxes
[59:20]
come in and spending goes out.
[59:22]
>> Correct.
[59:24]
>> Um okay, I'm going to go to Randy and
[59:27]
then come back to the board because we
[59:28]
do have other guests waiting for other
[59:30]
agenda items.
[59:34]
Randy, can you hear us?
[59:44]
Randy, are you there?
[59:48]
» All right. Well, we Oh, hey, great. We
[59:51]
hear you.
[59:52]
>> The one thing I think and and and if
[59:54]
Bonnie disagrees, um, please let me
[59:56]
know. But I mean, people have to
[59:58]
understand that the monies we're talking
[1:00:00]
about on a daily, monthly, yearly basis.
[1:00:05]
You still can't hear me?
[1:00:07]
>> Not you. Keep going.
[1:00:09]
>> Okay. You know, it's the same as
[1:00:11]
anybody's checkbook. It, like you said,
[1:00:14]
it varies minute to minute, day to day,
[1:00:16]
year to, you know, month to month. And
[1:00:19]
that's why we've talked in in other
[1:00:21]
meetings and in private about creating a
[1:00:24]
emergency fund with some amount of money
[1:00:28]
and then also leaving this unassigned
[1:00:31]
fund at the end of the year as Bonnie
[1:00:33]
said where until it's audited and we
[1:00:36]
know what we have left we can't call it
[1:00:38]
really the unassigned fund because the
[1:00:40]
number fluctuates so much and I think
[1:00:43]
everybody gets
[1:00:45]
mistaken or confused when we keep
[1:00:47]
calling it that versus it's it's
[1:00:49]
essentially the town's cash balance.
[1:00:52]
And um maybe we can educate and talk
[1:00:55]
about it like that so that it's easier
[1:00:58]
for people to understand.
[1:01:03]
Thanks, Randy.
[1:01:07]
» Okay, I'd like to move ahead. The clock
[1:01:08]
on the wall is running slow, so we're
[1:01:11]
actually at more like 7:15.
[1:01:13]
>> Yeah, it's 7:18.
[1:01:14]
>> Yeah. So,
[1:01:15]
>> I did have one
[1:01:17]
>> one question from Nell and then we're
[1:01:18]
going to move on to the FY27 update.
[1:01:21]
Just the way that I understood Dick's
[1:01:23]
question about EMS
[1:01:25]
um relative to the explanation Bonnie
[1:01:29]
gave was that if the the booked
[1:01:30]
receivables are 38% of the 100% of
[1:01:35]
receivables that have been reported on
[1:01:37]
that doesn't necessarily
[1:01:40]
mean that some of those 100% bills that
[1:01:44]
are you know accounted counted at only
[1:01:46]
38%
[1:01:48]
have not gone unpaid
[1:01:50]
and not been unpaid so long such that
[1:01:52]
they've been sent to collections.
[1:01:55]
>> I think the only reason that is unlikely
[1:01:57]
to happen is because
[1:01:59]
>> I don't remember what the timeline limit
[1:02:01]
is for collections. Is it 300 and 300
[1:02:04]
days?
[1:02:05]
>> Uh I don't recall.
[1:02:06]
>> So only bills from the very beginning of
[1:02:09]
the year would even have the time to
[1:02:10]
have been sent to collections. So it's
[1:02:12]
probably relatively uncommon.
[1:02:14]
>> I had 270 in my head, but yeah.
[1:02:16]
>> Okay.
[1:02:17]
>> Oh, that could be. Yeah.
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>> Okay. Well, I'd like to move on if
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there's no objection. Are we saying
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goodbye to Bonnie for the final item?
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>> I think so. Thank you, Bonnie. Thank you
[1:02:30]
very much.
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>> Good luck.
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>> You're welcome.
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>> Good luck with our
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>> Thank you, Bonnie.
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Appreciate it.
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>> Thank you.
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>> Byebye.
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>> Okay, Sarah Rose, welcome. Um, is this
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your first time at the table in a select
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board meeting?
[1:02:43]
>> Yes, it is.
[1:02:45]
>> Welcome.
[1:02:46]
>> Thank you.
[1:02:47]
>> It's pretty scary. Um,
[1:02:51]
but I'll be in there with you swinging.
[1:02:53]
So, um, okay. So, we have a
[1:02:59]
memo for the one month ended July 2026
[1:03:03]
of FY27
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and then the the booklet of actuals and
[1:03:08]
etc. So,
[1:03:09]
>> I'm going to turn it over to you to take
[1:03:11]
us through the high level of the memo.
[1:03:14]
>> Yep.
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>> And, um, go from there.
[1:03:16]
>> Great. Thank you very much. Um, so this
[1:03:20]
is just for the first year of fiscal
[1:03:23]
year 27. Um, so just through July. Um,
[1:03:28]
and it is unaudited as FY26 is still
[1:03:31]
unawited. Um, so uh just keep that in
[1:03:35]
mind as numbers wiggle a little bit over
[1:03:38]
time. Um, cumulative revenues for the
[1:03:41]
first month represent 79% of the annual
[1:03:44]
budget. If we annualize that um it goes
[1:03:48]
down to two million which is 8% of the
[1:03:51]
annual budget. So um total expenses for
[1:03:55]
the first month of the year are 2
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million8.
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Um
[1:04:00]
also on target at about 10%.
[1:04:04]
Um so
[1:04:06]
the actual numbers are total revenues at
[1:04:09]
21 million and total expenses at 2.8
[1:04:12]
million. The cash balances as of July
[1:04:15]
31st in the general fund total 16
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million.
[1:04:19]
So revenue does include receivables. Um
[1:04:23]
you can see the chart
[1:04:26]
down there. There's general receivables.
[1:04:28]
EMS we just went over at 38%. It is
[1:04:30]
still holding strong at 38%. Um property
[1:04:34]
tax receivables net of school taxes. Um
[1:04:37]
and that all totals at 20 million.
[1:04:40]
Should I keep going?
[1:04:42]
>> Yeah, just take us through the second
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page and then we'll questions. Okay.
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>> All right. Utilities fund. Utilities
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fund cumulative revenue raise represent
[1:04:52]
1% of the annual budget. We do acrew
[1:04:55]
monthly revenue and reconcile with
[1:04:57]
actual billing when completed on a
[1:04:59]
quarterly basis. So we haven't done that
[1:05:00]
quarterly reconciliation yet.
[1:05:02]
Expenditures represent 5% of the annual
[1:05:05]
budget. Total revenues are 92,000 and
[1:05:08]
total expenses are 370,000.
[1:05:11]
The parking fund revenues are at 8% of
[1:05:13]
the annual budget and expenditures are
[1:05:15]
at 6% of the annual budget. That's
[1:05:18]
84,000 of revenue and 66,000 of
[1:05:22]
expenses. So, we have a surplus of
[1:05:24]
18,000 in the parking re uh parking
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fund.
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» I said that really fast.
[1:05:30]
>> No, that's great. And then I think the
[1:05:32]
last couple bits are just referring to
[1:05:33]
pages
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>> to different reports.
[1:05:36]
>> So there's the loan report and the grant
[1:05:38]
report and the transfer report which we
[1:05:40]
haven't really done transfers yet this
[1:05:42]
year. Um but I will give you a little
[1:05:43]
bit of accounting context which is that
[1:05:45]
because we haven't finished the FY26
[1:05:48]
audit.
[1:05:50]
There are still numbers that are moving
[1:05:52]
around a little bit. So we should just
[1:05:54]
remember that when you're looking at
[1:05:55]
these beginning numbers for the year.
[1:05:58]
>> Great. Thank you. All right. Members of
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the board, any questions for the July
[1:06:03]
monthly report?
[1:06:07]
Not seeing any members of the public.
[1:06:09]
Dick the Gray.
[1:06:17]
Uh I know this is only one month but a
[1:06:22]
real flashing light uh on page 106
[1:06:27]
in terms of revenue uh refuge bags
[1:06:32]
uh
[1:06:35]
we are looking to collect $44265
[1:06:43]
and we collected $157. $7. That's a
[1:06:48]
scary number to think that uh uh we're
[1:06:53]
going to reach that uh that number.
[1:06:58]
>> Uh I would have thought that that number
[1:06:59]
would have been significantly higher at
[1:07:02]
least for one month of sales. Although
[1:07:04]
one one might have said that people
[1:07:07]
pre-bought bags uh from the end of the
[1:07:10]
year last year, but that's a real
[1:07:13]
concerning number that I have early on.
[1:07:15]
>> Yeah. I mean, that's good to call out.
[1:07:17]
That number is so low that I'm I'm happy
[1:07:20]
to ask Dan or John, but it can't be
[1:07:22]
real. It has to be that we haven't
[1:07:25]
received payment from the vendor or
[1:07:28]
something like that.
[1:07:29]
>> I'm making that up, but heads are
[1:07:30]
nodding. So my gosh. Yeah.
[1:07:32]
>> I'm I don't remember it being in the
[1:07:34]
$400,000. Is it Could it be a just a a
[1:07:38]
technical error or a clerical error
[1:07:40]
>> that it No, that I think that was about
[1:07:42]
$400 or $500,000 of revenue for the
[1:07:45]
whole year.
[1:07:47]
>> Okay.
[1:07:47]
>> Right. I I'm not sure.
[1:07:48]
>> I'm remembering in the 40 I'm
[1:07:50]
remembering in the 40s, but
[1:07:51]
>> we can look in the previous year's
[1:07:56]
finance report actually.
[1:08:00]
for
[1:08:01]
somewhere. But um I'm I'm sure it's
[1:08:04]
something like that, Dick. If it's not,
[1:08:06]
next month we'll know for sure.
[1:08:09]
And we've been on the new prices in the
[1:08:11]
new system for a little while. So it's
[1:08:14]
if people had been hoarding bags, they
[1:08:16]
would have been using those for months.
[1:08:19]
Other questions from the public?
[1:08:24]
Seeing none. Unless Are you still
[1:08:26]
looking for
[1:08:27]
>> John's looking?
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I'll help.
[1:08:36]
>> Yeah, there is something odd in there.
[1:08:38]
Um
[1:08:38]
>> I think it's an added there's an
[1:08:40]
>> No, it's not in the open gov from the
[1:08:43]
budget page of the website. The FY27
[1:08:46]
select board budget has refuse bag
[1:08:49]
revenue at $442,000.
[1:08:53]
Okay.
[1:08:54]
And in FY26 it was 309. FY25 305 FY24
[1:09:00]
370.
[1:09:02]
>> And that jumps
[1:09:03]
>> I'm sorry 270. My bad.
[1:09:04]
>> Mostly because of the increase in
[1:09:05]
prices.
[1:09:08]
Okay. Any other questions for on the
[1:09:12]
July finance report? Not seeing any. Uh
[1:09:16]
we already thanked Bonnie and I think
[1:09:18]
she left. So Sarah Rose, thank you very
[1:09:19]
much. We will be seeing you again in the
[1:09:22]
future and we're looking forward to it.
[1:09:24]
>> Okay.
[1:09:24]
>> So, thank you.
[1:09:25]
>> Well done. Thank you.
[1:09:26]
>> Thank you.
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>> Okay. Found it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:09:31]
Okay. Moving right along. Putney Road
[1:09:35]
Reconstruction Project. We have our
[1:09:37]
guests from VR.
[1:09:41]
Uh yes, you're all welcome to the table.
[1:09:42]
Do we have another chair?
[1:09:44]
>> I'm actually going to stay here.
[1:09:45]
>> You're going to stay there. Okay.
[1:09:47]
>> So, Bruce and Dennis, right?
[1:09:49]
>> Yes.
[1:09:49]
>> You good? Okay,
[1:09:50]
>> welcome and Joe.
[1:09:52]
All right. Well, welcome. We have your
[1:09:54]
presentation.
[1:09:56]
It was included with the backup
[1:09:58]
materials online as a supplement, but
[1:09:59]
it's this packet. Seth has the
[1:10:02]
presentation in the room. And uh we'll
[1:10:04]
turn it over to you guys.
[1:10:05]
>> All right. Well, thank you all. Um so
[1:10:07]
I'm Bruce Martin with the Vermont Agency
[1:10:08]
of Transportation here with Dennis
[1:10:10]
Verdivv who is a Lochner and Egress
[1:10:13]
Group. Is that it? Their name name has
[1:10:15]
changed recently so I a little confused
[1:10:17]
with it myself. um formerly Green
[1:10:19]
International. Um Dennis has been
[1:10:22]
working on this project for sorry to say
[1:10:24]
10 years. So I'm going to let him do a
[1:10:26]
lot of the talking. But um really what this came down to is I believe
[1:10:30]
around July of last year, June or July
[1:10:33]
of last year, our chief engineers office
[1:10:35]
came down, met with the town about this
[1:10:37]
project because this project was was
[1:10:39]
significant. I mean, we were proposing
[1:10:40]
the original Putney Road project was
[1:10:43]
adding four additional roundabouts,
[1:10:46]
which I'm sure many of aware of, and the
[1:10:49]
center median, and it was a significant
[1:10:52]
undertaking and a significant cost. So,
[1:10:54]
the chief engineers office came down to
[1:10:56]
speak with others to see what we could
[1:10:58]
do and entertain a scope change that
[1:11:01]
could meet the town's needs and goals as
[1:11:04]
well as achieving our goals. um with you
[1:11:08]
know signalized intersections,
[1:11:10]
pedestrian um infrastructure which
[1:11:12]
currently does not exist which we are do
[1:11:13]
want to move forward with. So around the
[1:11:16]
same time my predecessor Ken Mallal was
[1:11:18]
the one who had been working on this
[1:11:19]
project for years and years and years.
[1:11:21]
He was retiring. So when they came in to
[1:11:23]
say let's do a scope change he was
[1:11:25]
retiring and it came to me. So I'm kind
[1:11:27]
of the new face that has to show you
[1:11:29]
this massive boulevard is now going away
[1:11:31]
and this is kind of what we are looking
[1:11:33]
forward to moving forward in the future.
[1:11:35]
just to kind of a scale it down but
[1:11:37]
still meet all the goals for us and the
[1:11:39]
town itself. Um, so we began with a
[1:11:42]
conceptual design and in January we met
[1:11:45]
with me members of the town and had a
[1:11:47]
follow-up meeting with Representative
[1:11:48]
Burke and Senator Harrison to get their
[1:11:51]
kind of input on on what we were doing
[1:11:53]
at that time, what we're showing for
[1:11:55]
that conceptual level and then went back
[1:11:57]
and did make some revisions to that to
[1:11:59]
try to meet what they were looking for,
[1:12:02]
you know, for the town itself and um any
[1:12:04]
improvements that we could could do to
[1:12:07]
better meet your goals, our goals and
[1:12:09]
move project forward, but just not at
[1:12:11]
the huge magnitude that it was. Um, so
[1:12:14]
that's that's what we're here to present
[1:12:16]
is just this conceptual level design. I
[1:12:18]
do want to say this is conceptual level,
[1:12:19]
but we have actually put quite a bit of
[1:12:21]
effort into getting it to the point that
[1:12:22]
it is now, but there's still more design
[1:12:25]
work that does need to go on in the
[1:12:26]
future to tighten things up. So, there
[1:12:28]
are changes that there can can be made u
[1:12:30]
moving forward. Um, but there may be
[1:12:33]
some changes that some people do want
[1:12:34]
that we may not be able to move forward
[1:12:36]
with just to try to meet the intent of our scope and our our project as
[1:12:40]
we're moving forward. Um, so again,
[1:12:43]
focus now is to revise the intersections
[1:12:45]
to help mobility and also get the
[1:12:48]
pedestrian facilities that really
[1:12:50]
currently do not exist out there uh at
[1:12:52]
this time. With that, I'm going to turn
[1:12:55]
it over to Dennis because he does know this project extremely well and he
[1:12:59]
can uh let you know what we're looking
[1:13:00]
at for moving forward.
[1:13:01]
>> Yeah, thank you, Bruce. Um I appreciate
[1:13:05]
everyone's time um you know, to talk
[1:13:06]
about this project. Uh you know, I I'm
[1:13:10]
young enough where I can say I've spent
[1:13:11]
most of my career working on this
[1:13:13]
project. Um and I I've actually really
[1:13:16]
I've enjoyed it. I've spent a lot of
[1:13:18]
time up here in um in in Brattleboro to
[1:13:21]
you know look at the details of what
[1:13:23]
needs to be done and how we can maximize
[1:13:25]
the ability to improve the situation um
[1:13:29]
within the limits that we have. Um it's
[1:13:31]
an important corridor. I don't you know
[1:13:33]
need to tell any of you. I know you are
[1:13:35]
all familiar with this area. So um if we
[1:13:38]
can jump to slide three um I what I'll
[1:13:40]
do is I'll just quickly talk about the
[1:13:42]
fact that it's a little hard to see.
[1:13:43]
It's a little small, but essentially the
[1:13:45]
project starts on the southern limit,
[1:13:46]
which is right at the West River, and it
[1:13:49]
continues north uh all the way up to
[1:13:51]
where the there's a Crosby Brook or uh
[1:13:54]
the existing roundabout that's there
[1:13:56]
today. So, that's the that's the
[1:13:57]
corridor of the project. And um as far
[1:14:00]
as existing conditions, on the next
[1:14:02]
slide, I'll quickly talk about some of
[1:14:04]
the things um that we've identified as
[1:14:07]
some of the you know, critical things.
[1:14:09]
um you know there there is some bad
[1:14:11]
underlying pavement conditions. So I
[1:14:13]
know there's been a recent
[1:14:14]
rehabilitation of the pavement um but as
[1:14:18]
um Bruce knows and we've discussed there
[1:14:20]
is a concrete base under the road that
[1:14:22]
often leads to premature deterioration
[1:14:25]
of the pavement and so with these
[1:14:26]
resurfacing type projects you're not
[1:14:28]
able to fully remove all that concrete
[1:14:30]
that's causing a lot of that issue. Um
[1:14:32]
this project you know that we're looking
[1:14:34]
at will will be able to do that. So,
[1:14:35]
it's one of the things. Um, there is
[1:14:38]
poor access control and what that means
[1:14:40]
is it's hard for people to know where to
[1:14:42]
expect vehicles to come from, right? And
[1:14:44]
so, the driveways, some of them are
[1:14:46]
really narrow, some are very, very wide.
[1:14:48]
Um, and there's not a consistent pattern
[1:14:51]
to the way that the road operates. And
[1:14:53]
so, it's often difficult for other
[1:14:55]
drivers, but also for pedestrians and
[1:14:56]
bicyclists to know where to expect
[1:14:59]
oncoming traffic or cross traffic to
[1:15:01]
occur. And so, that's one of the
[1:15:03]
existing issues as well. um substandard
[1:15:05]
drainage. Uh there are some drainage
[1:15:07]
concerns along this corridor as well. Um
[1:15:10]
where we're not able to fully drain the
[1:15:11]
roadway, you know, during a storm or
[1:15:13]
after a storm, especially in the winter
[1:15:15]
time when, you know, you start to get
[1:15:16]
that icing um situation right after, you
[1:15:19]
know, the sun comes out and thaws the snow a bit. Um as Bruce mentioned,
[1:15:24]
lack of pedestrian bicycle
[1:15:25]
accommodations is a is a major issue
[1:15:27]
here. Um and it affects safety for both
[1:15:30]
pedestrians, bicyclists, and vehicles.
[1:15:32]
Um there are, you know, significant
[1:15:34]
crash history along this corridor as
[1:15:36]
well, um that we're looking to address.
[1:15:39]
Um there are some signals out there
[1:15:40]
today, but those signals were installed
[1:15:42]
many, many years ago. Um some of the
[1:15:44]
equipment is outdated. Um they haven't
[1:15:46]
been haven't been upgraded recently. And
[1:15:48]
so one of the things that we're looking
[1:15:50]
to do is also do that as well. Um and
[1:15:52]
vehicle speeds are a major concern out
[1:15:55]
here. Um especially in certain areas
[1:15:58]
where you know for example coming down
[1:16:00]
the hill towards the west river um there
[1:16:03]
are a lot of high speeds there as folks
[1:16:05]
get onto the bridge um or coming up the
[1:16:08]
hill um from from the west river. Um
[1:16:11]
there's also stretches um in in the
[1:16:13]
middle of the corridor where you know it
[1:16:15]
has essentially a little bit of a runway
[1:16:18]
effect. You know you have so much
[1:16:19]
pavement and so much space that vehicles
[1:16:22]
just naturally accelerate as they drive
[1:16:24]
through that area. And so looking at
[1:16:26]
that as well. Um so that's some of the
[1:16:28]
existing issues. Um if you will look at
[1:16:30]
the next slide. So project goals. Um you
[1:16:34]
know despite the fact that there's a
[1:16:36]
large scope change these goals really
[1:16:38]
haven't changed. The goals of the
[1:16:39]
project the things that we are looking
[1:16:41]
to accomplish have essentially stayed
[1:16:42]
the same. Um we want to improve the
[1:16:45]
safety uh for both pedestrians and
[1:16:47]
vehicles and you know bicyclists as
[1:16:49]
well. um improve traffic operations and
[1:16:52]
not just today but into the future when
[1:16:54]
we do these projections and we look at
[1:16:56]
20 30 years out making sure that these
[1:16:59]
areas and intersections can you know
[1:17:01]
safely accommodate larger volumes you
[1:17:03]
know if volumes grow into the future um
[1:17:06]
complete streets improvements as I
[1:17:08]
mentioned you know making sure that
[1:17:09]
we're fully accommodating all users of
[1:17:13]
the roadway not just vehicles um which
[1:17:15]
you know a lot of these older roads you
[1:17:17]
know they primarily focus on the cars
[1:17:20]
Um, I mentioned storm water drainage.
[1:17:23]
Um, and and general aesthetics of the
[1:17:25]
roadway as well, make it a more
[1:17:27]
welcoming place for folks to go and be
[1:17:30]
able to navigate through safely um, as
[1:17:32]
they drive through this area or walk or
[1:17:35]
ride their bike. Now,
[1:17:38]
looking at the conceptual design, there
[1:17:40]
are a number of things that I want to
[1:17:42]
highlight. So, one of the things I
[1:17:44]
already started mentioning is full depth
[1:17:46]
reconstruction. So, one of the things
[1:17:48]
we're going to do with the road is do a
[1:17:49]
full depth reconstruction. What that
[1:17:51]
means is not just removing that top
[1:17:53]
surface of the asphalt, going all the
[1:17:55]
way down, removing all of that concrete
[1:17:57]
base, any substandard subbase material,
[1:18:00]
taking all of that out, so that that way
[1:18:02]
the asphalt is sitting on a good solid
[1:18:04]
foundation. It will last much longer. It
[1:18:06]
won't deteriorate as quickly um after a
[1:18:09]
rehab. Um, we are proposing 11oot travel
[1:18:13]
lanes throughout this corridor, 5-ft
[1:18:16]
shoulders. Um, throughout the corridor
[1:18:19]
as well, uh, we're looking to do a 8-ft
[1:18:22]
shared use path. Um, essentially the
[1:18:25]
majority of the corridor will have a
[1:18:26]
shared use path. That 8ft shared use
[1:18:29]
path, um, the majority of it will be on
[1:18:31]
both sides of the corridor. Um, but
[1:18:33]
there are some segments that I'll
[1:18:35]
mention in particular where we
[1:18:37]
physically don't have the space to do
[1:18:39]
that. And so there are some restrictions
[1:18:40]
to that. Um in those areas, we're still
[1:18:43]
we will still be proposing a 5-ft
[1:18:45]
sidewalk, a standard width sidewalk um
[1:18:48]
in in some of those tighter locations.
[1:18:50]
And also a two-way left turn lane uh
[1:18:53]
beginning at Noah's Lane um along the busier, wider section of the
[1:18:58]
corridor. um that would allow vehicles
[1:19:00]
to be able to make those left turns in
[1:19:03]
and out of the businesses, you know,
[1:19:05]
without having to um you know, block the
[1:19:08]
through lane. Um that you know um and additionally, one of the things
[1:19:13]
we're looking at carefully is the turn
[1:19:16]
lanes at all of the signalized
[1:19:18]
intersections. Making sure that we have
[1:19:19]
sufficient lanes to, you know, for the
[1:19:22]
left turns, the right turns, and the
[1:19:23]
through movements at all of the existing
[1:19:26]
intersections.
[1:19:29]
Um so what we're doing is we're
[1:19:33]
improving essentially three existing
[1:19:35]
signalized intersections. Those are
[1:19:37]
Fairfield um Plaza where Staples or Aldi
[1:19:41]
is. Um the Hannerford Plaza and the
[1:19:44]
Black Mountain Road intersection. And
[1:19:46]
we'll be adding a signal at Chering
[1:19:48]
Drive. So that'll be a new additional
[1:19:50]
signal beyond what's out there today. Um
[1:19:53]
all of the equipment will be new and uh
[1:19:56]
and upgraded. Um we will have dedicated
[1:19:59]
pedestrian phases at all of these
[1:20:02]
intersections now so that way
[1:20:03]
pedestrians can safely cross those
[1:20:05]
intersections at at um when they
[1:20:08]
activate the signal and um also
[1:20:12]
coordination between the signals. So,
[1:20:13]
one of the things that newer, more
[1:20:15]
modern systems can do is the signals can
[1:20:17]
actually communicate with one another
[1:20:19]
and they can be coordinated and they can
[1:20:21]
be adjusted so that as volumes change,
[1:20:24]
the signals adapt to those volumes and
[1:20:27]
that, you know, improves the ability for
[1:20:30]
vehicles to get through there. Um, you
[1:20:32]
know, you may not spend as much time
[1:20:34]
when you're driving through at 11
[1:20:36]
o'clock at night when there's no other
[1:20:38]
cars on the road, but you're sitting at
[1:20:39]
a red light. Those types of situations.
[1:20:42]
um versus the peak afternoon hour where
[1:20:45]
there's lots of cars coming from all
[1:20:47]
directions. Um we're also looking at um
[1:20:50]
improving access control, consolidating
[1:20:52]
some driveways. There's also uh a few um
[1:20:56]
essentially frontage access roads along
[1:20:59]
this roadway right now that create a
[1:21:01]
little bit of an unsafe situation uh
[1:21:03]
where cars use those roads to avoid the
[1:21:06]
signals that are out there today and try
[1:21:08]
to bypass them at high speeds. And so,
[1:21:11]
uh, we'll be closing some of those
[1:21:13]
accesses down and creating more uniform
[1:21:16]
driveways down the corridor so that
[1:21:18]
there's clear access to the road, uh,
[1:21:20]
from the private properties um, and, uh,
[1:21:23]
bus pulloffs as well. We are currently
[1:21:26]
proposing three bus pulloffs along the
[1:21:28]
corridor to help create a more defined
[1:21:30]
um, dedicated location for buses to stop
[1:21:33]
and pick up folks.
[1:21:35]
Um, so the cross-section, we'll we'll
[1:21:38]
look at this very quickly. you know,
[1:21:39]
this is an engineering drawing. Um, but
[1:21:42]
I know it's not as uh as beautiful in
[1:21:44]
some of the some of the other images,
[1:21:45]
but uh essentially it's the
[1:21:47]
cross-section of the road. And you could
[1:21:49]
see there, if you you know, maybe look
[1:21:52]
carefully, there's the the concrete
[1:21:54]
subbase. And essentially, we're
[1:21:56]
proposing the the different
[1:21:58]
crosssections along the roadway. The
[1:22:00]
important thing here that I want to
[1:22:01]
highlight is the fact that we are
[1:22:03]
accommodating vehicles with 11t travel
[1:22:05]
lanes. We are accommodating, you know,
[1:22:08]
uh, bicyclists, uh, within the roadway
[1:22:10]
with a wide five- foot shoulder, but
[1:22:12]
also accommodating them outside of the
[1:22:14]
roadway with a shared use path. And so
[1:22:16]
for those folks that are commuting and
[1:22:18]
like to stay within the flow of traffic
[1:22:20]
and, you know, they're comfortable being
[1:22:22]
out in the road, there's a way for them
[1:22:24]
to do that safely. But for those folks
[1:22:26]
that are maybe with younger families or
[1:22:28]
kids and they want to be able to ride
[1:22:30]
along the road, they have a dedicated
[1:22:32]
shared use path that's offset from the
[1:22:34]
road with a grass strip wherever we have
[1:22:36]
the space to do that.
[1:22:39]
Um, let's skip ahead here to
[1:22:41]
>> Oh, go back to the last slide because
[1:22:42]
you didn't show grass strip and
[1:22:44]
everything.
[1:22:45]
>> This one. Um,
[1:22:47]
uh, yeah, let me see.
[1:22:54]
I think yeah I think I'll what I'll do
[1:22:57]
is I'll point it out here in the visual.
[1:22:59]
Uh could we go to slide 11 please? Okay
[1:23:02]
so uh one I'll point out an extra thing.
[1:23:04]
So besides the bus pulloff yeah thank
[1:23:06]
you for zooming in. Um so in addition to
[1:23:09]
the bus pulloff what I want to highlight
[1:23:11]
is the fact that everywhere along the
[1:23:13]
corridor where we have the space within
[1:23:14]
the rightway and there's there's a
[1:23:16]
significant amount of this wide rightway
[1:23:18]
available to us. We are not only
[1:23:20]
providing that shared use path, but
[1:23:22]
we're also offsetting it from the
[1:23:23]
roadway with a grass strip. Um, what we
[1:23:26]
don't like to do is install a grass
[1:23:28]
strip that's only a foot or two wide
[1:23:29]
because it's really hard to maintain.
[1:23:31]
The grass doesn't typically survive. But
[1:23:33]
if we can get up to like a three or four
[1:23:35]
or five foot grass strip, that's ideal.
[1:23:38]
It usually grows a lot better and, you
[1:23:40]
know, it creates that separation from
[1:23:42]
the roadway for people that are within
[1:23:43]
that shared use path. Um, so that's one
[1:23:46]
of the things that you'll see along the
[1:23:47]
entire corridor. um during the in within
[1:23:50]
those wider segments really the the
[1:23:52]
narrow part of the corridor is from the
[1:23:54]
west river to town crier that's the
[1:23:57]
narrowest part of the cross-section you
[1:23:59]
know and we have very limited room to do
[1:24:01]
anything there because we essentially
[1:24:03]
have a hillside with a ledge on one side
[1:24:06]
and then a drop down to the river on the
[1:24:08]
other side and so we're you know the
[1:24:11]
road essentially kind of threads the
[1:24:12]
needle through that location we are
[1:24:15]
maximizing it we're putting in that
[1:24:17]
sidewalk and we're putting in the wider
[1:24:19]
shoulders, but what we can't do is
[1:24:21]
provide that full width cross-section
[1:24:22]
that we're doing within the rest of the
[1:24:24]
corridor. Um, now what's on the screen
[1:24:28]
here is the bus pulloffs pulloff areas.
[1:24:31]
So, these are great because what they do
[1:24:33]
is they actually get the bus out of the
[1:24:34]
travel lane. So, rather than just
[1:24:36]
stopping within the roadway itself, um,
[1:24:38]
the bus has a space to pull off into the
[1:24:41]
shoulder out of the travel lane. um you
[1:24:44]
know usually prevents some of the
[1:24:45]
aggressive driving that you will see
[1:24:47]
behind buses where folks are getting
[1:24:49]
frustrated and trying to pass um and so
[1:24:51]
this gets them out of the way. Um VR uh
[1:24:54]
this is like a typical bus shelter image
[1:24:57]
that you see on the screen there. That's
[1:24:59]
you know typically what they'll look
[1:25:00]
like. Um these are used throughout the
[1:25:03]
state and uh it's relatively simple but
[1:25:06]
it it does its job and it you know is
[1:25:09]
relatively easy to maintain u while
[1:25:11]
still providing a safe place for folks
[1:25:13]
you know with good visibility from the
[1:25:15]
different sides. Um they we typically
[1:25:18]
will also install uh you know other
[1:25:20]
things like um ramps and things like
[1:25:23]
that to facilitate people being able to
[1:25:25]
you know you know with uh any kind of
[1:25:28]
disability or things like that to be
[1:25:29]
able to get it in and off the bus um as
[1:25:32]
well.
[1:25:32]
>> And and one thing I want to point out
[1:25:34]
with this this slide itself is in those
[1:25:36]
images you can see the orange line it's
[1:25:39]
kind of dashed in areas but that is the state rightway. So that that is one
[1:25:44]
of the areas that we are trying to
[1:25:45]
maintain as much as we possibly can in
[1:25:47]
that area because every time we do have
[1:25:49]
to go out that does mean rights we have
[1:25:50]
to obtain from from property owners. So
[1:25:52]
that is a line that I just want to point
[1:25:53]
out. You're going to see that vary with
[1:25:55]
our impacts throughout this entire
[1:25:57]
project that that Dennis is talking
[1:25:58]
about. But just so you know that that's
[1:25:59]
the line that we're trying to get most
[1:26:01]
of our infrastructure in.
[1:26:03]
>> Right. Yeah. Exactly. And what you'll
[1:26:04]
see is often times the the back of
[1:26:07]
sidewalk is right up against that orange
[1:26:08]
line. So, we've essentially maximized,
[1:26:10]
we've pushed out as far as we can to fit
[1:26:13]
as much as we can into the road. Um, so
[1:26:15]
the three locations we're currently
[1:26:16]
proposing are Town Crier, um, another
[1:26:20]
pulloff in front of Hannerford, and also
[1:26:23]
O'Reilly Auto Parts as well. Those are
[1:26:26]
general three locations that we're we're
[1:26:28]
looking at. When we when we were doing
[1:26:30]
the uh earlier design with the
[1:26:32]
roundabouts, we had coordinated with the
[1:26:34]
bus companies. So, we generally
[1:26:36]
understand their routes through the
[1:26:37]
area, you know, and there was a lot of
[1:26:39]
discussion about, you know, the
[1:26:42]
direction of travel and what some of the
[1:26:44]
ideal locations would be. That's how
[1:26:46]
these were chosen. Um,
[1:26:49]
uh, now moving on to the next slide. So,
[1:26:52]
another thing, another, you know,
[1:26:53]
essentially feature that you'll see
[1:26:54]
along the corridor is these mountable
[1:26:57]
bumpouts. Um, as I mentioned earlier,
[1:27:00]
speed is a big concern. Um, and so one
[1:27:03]
of the things that, you know, I some of
[1:27:06]
you folks may be familiar with is that
[1:27:08]
putting up a sign with a speed limit
[1:27:09]
doesn't really slow people down. Um, you
[1:27:12]
know, and often times people say, well,
[1:27:14]
enforcement, you know, you have to pull
[1:27:16]
people over. And and unfortunately, the
[1:27:19]
reality is in our experience with the
[1:27:20]
work we do, that often also doesn't
[1:27:22]
work. It works in within that moment,
[1:27:24]
but you can't have someone doing that
[1:27:26]
24/7. Um, and so the most effective way
[1:27:30]
to slow folks down is to create a
[1:27:32]
narrower cross-section, is to make it
[1:27:34]
uncomfortable to drive fast. If it's
[1:27:36]
uncomfortable to drive fast, people will
[1:27:38]
drive slower. And so, uh, one of the
[1:27:40]
things that we wanted to do is identify
[1:27:42]
locations along the corridor that would
[1:27:44]
be most me where that would be most
[1:27:46]
meaningful, right? Places where you
[1:27:48]
start to get that long runway stretch.
[1:27:50]
And so, what we want to do is we want to
[1:27:52]
narrow those things down. We don't want
[1:27:54]
to necessarily fully close the road down
[1:27:56]
because we still need to be able to get
[1:27:58]
some of these larger trucks through here
[1:27:59]
that make deliveries to these
[1:28:00]
businesses, get in and out. Um, but the
[1:28:04]
trucks can mount these aprons. Um, for a
[1:28:07]
regular passenger vehicle, it becomes
[1:28:09]
uncomfortable. Can they still ride over
[1:28:11]
it? Sure, yes, they can. Um, but it's less comfortable to do so. And most
[1:28:15]
folks will essentially stay within the
[1:28:17]
lane. And that that narrowing of fe uh
[1:28:21]
effect does help slow down speeds,
[1:28:24]
provide some of that traffic calming
[1:28:26]
effect that does help um with you know
[1:28:28]
these locations.
[1:28:30]
So that's that's what you see here. Um
[1:28:33]
we also understand this is Vermont,
[1:28:34]
right? We we need to plow snow. We need
[1:28:37]
to be able to clear the roads. We need
[1:28:38]
to be able to do all that. So this is a way to compromise between those
[1:28:43]
things. you know, still be be able to
[1:28:45]
maintain these roads and plow them and
[1:28:47]
allow drainage to effectively get off
[1:28:49]
the road while still uh creating that
[1:28:51]
slower effect.
[1:28:54]
Okay. Uh next slide. Uh we also are
[1:28:57]
proposing a couple midblock crossings.
[1:28:59]
So, one of the the differences is that
[1:29:01]
these are crossings that are not
[1:29:03]
attached to a signalized intersection.
[1:29:05]
Um there are places where it would be a
[1:29:08]
pretty long stretch uh to go to the next
[1:29:10]
signal to cross the road. And so within
[1:29:13]
those locations, we do propose uh an
[1:29:16]
RRFB crossing. Uh it's a rectangular
[1:29:18]
rapid flashing beacon. There is one out
[1:29:20]
there today at uh Town Crier. So you may
[1:29:23]
be familiar with that. It's a push
[1:29:25]
activated signal. So essentially it
[1:29:27]
doesn't, you know, just sits there until
[1:29:29]
someone walks up, pushes the button, and
[1:29:31]
then it flashes to let people know that,
[1:29:33]
you know, someone's crossing the road.
[1:29:36]
Um, we we use these sparingly generally
[1:29:39]
because if you install too many of them,
[1:29:41]
people start to ignore them. And so you
[1:29:44]
want to use them at the most important
[1:29:46]
locations along the corridor where it's
[1:29:49]
a long distance for the next crossing.
[1:29:51]
And that's where you really want to
[1:29:52]
place them for places like that.
[1:29:56]
Um, now moving on, uh, we have upgraded
[1:30:01]
signals at some of these intersections.
[1:30:03]
don't need to get into a lot of detail
[1:30:05]
with this, but I'll just simply mention
[1:30:07]
that um you know they will be standard
[1:30:10]
signals that you know you see around the
[1:30:12]
state. They will be um new uh you know
[1:30:16]
foundations with new signal uh poles,
[1:30:18]
new signal arms meeting all the latest
[1:30:21]
visibility standards and things like
[1:30:22]
that. Um we will have all ADA you know
[1:30:26]
crossings so all of the ramps will be
[1:30:27]
compliant. they'll be able to uh work
[1:30:30]
with, you know, help assist with
[1:30:32]
visually impaired folks and things like
[1:30:34]
that as well. Um, and I I think I
[1:30:37]
mentioned earlier, but uh one of the
[1:30:39]
important things when you have a signal
[1:30:42]
like this is to have a pedestrian phase
[1:30:44]
where pedestrians know it's safe to
[1:30:46]
cross. You know, it's a dedicated phase
[1:30:48]
for them at the signal. um where
[1:30:50]
everyone's stopped and you know it's a really safe and primarily for you
[1:30:54]
know for those folks that may needs need
[1:30:56]
a little extra time to get to the other
[1:30:58]
side of the road.
[1:31:00]
Um if we could skip to slide 18 please.
[1:31:05]
Um so one of the other things is storm
[1:31:07]
water. Uh with the work that we're doing
[1:31:10]
we are proposing all new closed drainage
[1:31:12]
along the roadway and so uh that's a
[1:31:15]
significant improvement to what's out
[1:31:16]
there today. There will be a new trunk
[1:31:18]
line which is a main line that runs down
[1:31:20]
the road and we'll be collecting all new
[1:31:21]
drainage with catch basins along the
[1:31:23]
corridor. Um now in addition to that we
[1:31:26]
will also be installing uh infiltration
[1:31:28]
basins that will treat that storm water
[1:31:31]
before it's discharged into the
[1:31:33]
Connecticut the west or uh Crosby Brook.
[1:31:36]
is actually it's a sediment
[1:31:38]
impaired brook. Um, and so we want to
[1:31:40]
keep as much of that salt, sand, and
[1:31:42]
everything else out of that. And these
[1:31:44]
basins go a long way to doing that and
[1:31:46]
help improve that quality of of storm
[1:31:48]
water that ends up in the rivers and
[1:31:50]
streams.
[1:31:52]
>> And uh, that's the end of the
[1:31:54]
presentation. So, open it up to
[1:31:57]
questions.
[1:31:58]
>> Great. I know that that was, you know,
[1:31:59]
very quick rundown for everything that's
[1:32:00]
been going into this, but I think Dennis
[1:32:02]
did hit on it. And we do have, you know,
[1:32:04]
slides of the the other signalized
[1:32:06]
intersections if anybody does want to
[1:32:07]
take a look at that, but it's they're
[1:32:08]
all pretty much kind of the same. You
[1:32:10]
know, we're adding turn lanes that may
[1:32:12]
not exist now and uh those pedestrian
[1:32:15]
facilities throughout.
[1:32:17]
>> Great. Thank you. Um and these this
[1:32:20]
presentation, which I think people will
[1:32:21]
be really interested in, is available
[1:32:23]
online on the town website, I believe.
[1:32:27]
>> Yep, it is. It's up there.
[1:32:28]
>> Part of the backups, etc. So, thank you
[1:32:31]
all for coming and for waiting and u for
[1:32:34]
such a thorough presentation. Questions
[1:32:36]
from the board.
[1:32:39]
>> Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I do.
[1:32:41]
>> Neil and then Amanda.
[1:32:42]
>> Mine might be longer if Amanda wants
[1:32:44]
>> Amanda and then Neil.
[1:32:45]
>> Okay. I I'll have few specific Thanks
[1:32:48]
for the great presentation. Um so I did
[1:32:52]
a quick like search and how high the
[1:32:54]
mountable bumpouts are.
[1:32:56]
>> Mhm.
[1:32:58]
between four and seven inches. Minimum
[1:33:00]
of four. There's a big variation. Uh
[1:33:02]
>> so what's the plan for this one? And
[1:33:04]
does our Department of Public Works have
[1:33:08]
to have a specialized plow or is there
[1:33:11]
higher risk of injury to our equipment?
[1:33:14]
>> This is still a state route. So we are
[1:33:16]
doing the plowing I believe here through
[1:33:17]
here.
[1:33:18]
>> Yeah.
[1:33:19]
>> 100% of it. Even where we have a side
[1:33:21]
road coming in and we're moving it.
[1:33:24]
Okay. Okay. So that's all you guys
[1:33:26]
>> think town plows the sidewalks if I
[1:33:28]
remember correctly. Yep.
[1:33:30]
>> Um and so one of the things that we are
[1:33:31]
actually looked at is making sure that
[1:33:33]
they are wide enough in all the
[1:33:35]
locations for the town plow uh that does
[1:33:38]
the sidewalk plows um to be able to
[1:33:40]
navigate through there if needed. Um but
[1:33:43]
yes, the the bumpouts can be anything
[1:33:46]
from completely flush and just a
[1:33:48]
different texture from the pavement
[1:33:50]
around it. stamped uh textured with a
[1:33:53]
you know granite outline or they can be
[1:33:55]
you know up to three, four, five inches
[1:33:59]
depending on the you know location and
[1:34:01]
what you're trying to achieve. Um they
[1:34:03]
have a mountable curb so that way if a
[1:34:05]
truck does drive right through them
[1:34:07]
which they are meant to do that. It
[1:34:09]
won't cut their tire or you know damage
[1:34:11]
their vehicle in any way and it also
[1:34:13]
won't damage a pedestrian a regular
[1:34:15]
passenger vehicle unless it hits it at a
[1:34:18]
significant speed. Um, but it's meant to
[1:34:20]
be uncomfortable. It's just meant to
[1:34:22]
kind of give you that like, oh, I'm I'm
[1:34:24]
not on the main road here.
[1:34:25]
>> And Amanda, John just had a followup on
[1:34:27]
that specific question.
[1:34:28]
>> I just had a question on the whether you
[1:34:30]
looked at um instead of the bumpouts uh
[1:34:35]
have refuge islands for the pedestrian
[1:34:37]
crossings in those areas instead of the
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use that width from the bumpouts and
[1:34:42]
give it to sa uh save the pedestrians uh
[1:34:45]
and give them a little refuge in the
[1:34:46]
middle of the road.
[1:34:48]
We Yeah. So, it's a good question. We
[1:34:51]
did look at that. I think the difficulty
[1:34:53]
is that we need that space on the
[1:34:55]
outside for the truck turning movements.
[1:34:57]
And so, um, in order for a the larger
[1:35:01]
trucks that come through here, like such
[1:35:02]
as like the Cisco delivery trucks or the
[1:35:05]
Hannerford trucks, those types of trucks
[1:35:07]
or, uh, you know, the deliveries for the
[1:35:09]
dealership, for example, those trucks,
[1:35:12]
they need the full width to be able to
[1:35:13]
maneuver and make those turns that they
[1:35:16]
need to do. And so we run those
[1:35:17]
movements. And so the issue is that we
[1:35:20]
can't create a pedestrian refuge if it's
[1:35:24]
mountable because we can't give them
[1:35:26]
that false sense of safety, right? Where
[1:35:28]
like, well, they can stop here and wait
[1:35:30]
for the next crossing, but they actually
[1:35:31]
can't because a truck can drive through
[1:35:34]
right through this area and might need
[1:35:36]
to.
[1:35:37]
>> And so that's the difficulty. Thank you.
[1:35:38]
Yeah.
[1:35:39]
>> And and just add on that, you know, the
[1:35:41]
um the refuge like in the middle that's
[1:35:43]
also going to be getting like the median
[1:35:45]
built in a little bit more. you're going
[1:35:46]
to have a lot more um not main activity
[1:35:49]
but kind of taking away from the lane
[1:35:50]
mobility that we're we're trying to get
[1:35:52]
as well. Um
[1:35:53]
>> so just one of the things that has been
[1:35:55]
discussed but just pros and cons to a
[1:35:57]
lot of different things. So
[1:35:59]
>> um speaking back to the maintenance
[1:36:00]
aspect that we I'm trying to speak for
[1:36:03]
our maintenance section for now is like
[1:36:04]
they probably want a lower manual curve
[1:36:06]
here and really what I think we we're
[1:36:08]
going for something that is
[1:36:09]
uncomfortable and also like the visual
[1:36:10]
aspect of it um is is helping with the
[1:36:14]
traffic coming as well. Yeah, it's a
[1:36:16]
different color and you know it's a
[1:36:18]
different pattern.
[1:36:19]
>> Yeah.
[1:36:19]
>> Um other question is um going into
[1:36:25]
um so maintaining budget for maintaining
[1:36:27]
grass on grass strips.
[1:36:29]
>> How's how's the agency doing in terms of
[1:36:31]
that kind of maintenance for various
[1:36:34]
municipal areas where there's more
[1:36:36]
density like this?
[1:36:37]
>> Um so I I believe that that would become
[1:36:39]
the maintenance of the town itself. So
[1:36:40]
we will have to have a finance and
[1:36:42]
maintenance agreement with the town
[1:36:43]
moving forward for items like the the
[1:36:46]
shared use path as we will not be the
[1:36:48]
agency will not be plowing that. That
[1:36:49]
will be the responsibility of of um the
[1:36:52]
town and any landscaping features uh
[1:36:55]
would be the responsibility of the town
[1:36:56]
as well.
[1:36:58]
>> Okay. Um and then one more question. Oh,
[1:37:01]
one thing I love the bus shelters. I
[1:37:04]
think they're very handsome
[1:37:06]
>> and I think they'd be a great asset to
[1:37:08]
the town. Um, and then the Black
[1:37:10]
Mountain Road spot. So, is that your
[1:37:13]
right ofway on that corner of of You're
[1:37:16]
talking about the storm water drainage.
[1:37:18]
>> The the state did purchase that that
[1:37:20]
corner.
[1:37:21]
>> Got it. Okay. All right. That's all.
[1:37:24]
>> Great. Thank you, Amanda. Neil,
[1:37:26]
>> um, thank you.
[1:37:29]
So, I'm going to start, I think, off
[1:37:33]
what you just noted about the grass. Um
[1:37:37]
because one of my questions was about
[1:37:39]
trees and so I'm guessing that if
[1:37:41]
landscaping features are the
[1:37:43]
responsibility of the town, if there
[1:37:45]
wanted to be any kind of like shrubbery
[1:37:47]
or shade integrated into the grass
[1:37:51]
that's the grass paths getting added,
[1:37:53]
that would be something the town would
[1:37:55]
be responsible for adding.
[1:37:57]
>> Yes. Well, we could add it as part of
[1:37:59]
the project, but future maintenance
[1:38:00]
would be on the
[1:38:01]
>> Okay, that's good to know. Um, and has
[1:38:06]
there been any exploration of having a
[1:38:09]
cover crop that's more durable than
[1:38:10]
grass?
[1:38:13]
>> I don't have a good answer for that. Um,
[1:38:15]
we do have a landscape architect with
[1:38:17]
the agency now that has been working on
[1:38:18]
many different seed mixtures. Um, she's
[1:38:20]
been with us for a few years and she's
[1:38:21]
great. So, I could have that
[1:38:23]
conversation with her. Um, just to see
[1:38:24]
what what is more durable and longer
[1:38:26]
lasting. Yeah, there there's a couple
[1:38:28]
mixes like low grow uh mixes that are
[1:38:32]
more salt tolerant and um you know
[1:38:35]
particularly work better in the New
[1:38:37]
England you know climate environment. Um
[1:38:41]
a lot of times the issue is that with
[1:38:44]
the amount of salt we put on the roads
[1:38:46]
it almost doesn't matter what you grow.
[1:38:49]
It is so negatively impacted by the
[1:38:52]
amount of salt we put down that it's hard for things to survive. But
[1:38:56]
there are, you know, essentially low
[1:38:58]
growth mixes that we primarily use for
[1:39:01]
state agency projects that do have
[1:39:04]
higher survivability rates than just
[1:39:06]
your typical lawn mix that you would get
[1:39:08]
at the
[1:39:09]
>> I appreciate that because I wasn't even
[1:39:10]
thinking about salt. I was thinking
[1:39:12]
about uh the water demands of grass in a
[1:39:15]
really sunheavy area.
[1:39:17]
>> Um if we're trying to
[1:39:20]
>> think about the aesthetics of it as
[1:39:22]
well. Um but those are kind of side
[1:39:23]
points and thank you. So, I was curious,
[1:39:26]
uh, the bus pull-offs, right now the
[1:39:27]
mover has like short buses. Are those
[1:39:30]
going to be long enough for the
[1:39:31]
potential of expansion into kind of like
[1:39:33]
full width like city buses in the
[1:39:35]
future?
[1:39:36]
>> Yeah. So, I one thing is that this is,
[1:39:40]
as Bruce said, this is a conceptual
[1:39:42]
design. So, this is very early. We have
[1:39:44]
not gone back to the bus companies since
[1:39:46]
the initial preliminary design to talk
[1:39:49]
about, you know, the current equipment
[1:39:50]
and their plans into the future. We did
[1:39:53]
discuss uh the possibility of using
[1:39:55]
larger buses with them in when we did
[1:39:58]
the previous design. They had indicated
[1:40:00]
that it was unlikely that they would be
[1:40:03]
switching to larger buses just based on
[1:40:05]
the amount of rideability that ride
[1:40:07]
ridership they currently have. But um
[1:40:09]
that does not mean that we can't make
[1:40:12]
adjustments. you know, being so early in
[1:40:14]
the process and, you know, this is a
[1:40:16]
multi-year process. Um, there's
[1:40:18]
certainly opportunity to make those, you
[1:40:21]
know, bus pulloffs longer, shorter, you
[1:40:23]
know, slightly adjusted a location. Um,
[1:40:26]
in the end, you know, what you're
[1:40:28]
looking for in an ideal situation is the
[1:40:31]
majority of the bus being able to pull
[1:40:33]
in, especially that front portion where
[1:40:35]
the loading and unloading happens. Um,
[1:40:38]
with our wide 5-ft shoulder, we're able
[1:40:40]
to still leave, you know, a portion of
[1:40:43]
the bus out into that shoulder area and
[1:40:46]
still allow vehicles to pass behind it.
[1:40:49]
>> But that just feels irresponsible when
[1:40:50]
they're going to be in a bike lane,
[1:40:52]
right? Like if you just have the the
[1:40:54]
nose pulled in, then you're essentially
[1:40:56]
forcing the bikes into the traffic.
[1:40:58]
>> Well, so at some point there is a
[1:41:01]
conflict uh similar to what you would
[1:41:02]
see at like a intersection, right? So,
[1:41:05]
typically if you were to um I know we
[1:41:08]
don't have the slides on the screen
[1:41:09]
anymore, but if you if you have the
[1:41:11]
presentation in front of you or you
[1:41:13]
wanted to take a look, what you'll see
[1:41:14]
is often times we have a right turn lane
[1:41:17]
>> that uh that we have to provide in order
[1:41:20]
for cars to get into that right turn
[1:41:22]
lane. You've got a conflict point there.
[1:41:24]
>> and you know without creating full grade
[1:41:28]
separation, it's really difficult to
[1:41:30]
fully eliminate that. Um, in our
[1:41:32]
experience doing these types of corridor
[1:41:34]
projects, um, the bicycle users that
[1:41:37]
typically drive ride within the roadway
[1:41:40]
and use the roadway itself are more
[1:41:43]
confident. They they have more
[1:41:44]
experience riding within the roadway.
[1:41:46]
And so there's a there's a sense of um,
[1:41:49]
speed in which if we can slow the
[1:41:51]
vehicles down and give the bikes a
[1:41:53]
dedicated lane, they they they tend to
[1:41:56]
line up and match up on speeds as they
[1:41:58]
approach the signalized intersections.
[1:42:00]
and that helps a lot with safety and
[1:42:02]
they essentially move as as the vehicles
[1:42:05]
do. Um, but yes, there is a conflict
[1:42:08]
point at every pulloff with a bus and
[1:42:10]
every intersection where cars do have to
[1:42:13]
cross the bike lane.
[1:42:14]
>> Yeah. And I do understand like the
[1:42:15]
crossing element, but as opposed to a
[1:42:17]
bus that might be pulled over and parked
[1:42:19]
for kind of an unsure amount of time,
[1:42:22]
especially if there's like any kind of
[1:42:24]
>> like wheelchair
[1:42:26]
>> off and on happening. If they're only
[1:42:29]
provided for the nose to be pulled in,
[1:42:31]
that entire bike lane is going to be
[1:42:33]
like it's not just somebody crossing
[1:42:35]
over, right? It's not just a merge. It's
[1:42:37]
a it's a block of a transport lane such
[1:42:41]
that they either wait for an indefinite
[1:42:43]
amount of time, which we know they
[1:42:44]
won't, or they cut or they're biking
[1:42:47]
around into oncoming traffic.
[1:42:48]
>> Yeah, and that's a valid point. I mean,
[1:42:50]
you're talking about the death, so
[1:42:51]
understandable what you're talking
[1:42:54]
about, and that's something we can look
[1:42:55]
into. too. I mean, just looking at this
[1:42:56]
the slide and presentation now. Um, the
[1:42:58]
one thing we need to just make make sure
[1:43:00]
we're we're reaching is like we have one
[1:43:03]
bus turn at O'Reilly that if we make it
[1:43:05]
deeper, we also have to make it longer
[1:43:07]
obviously just to make everything fit in
[1:43:08]
and just where that lines up with our
[1:43:10]
intersections as well. Just make sure
[1:43:12]
that it's all kind of functioning as
[1:43:14]
one. Um, but that is still one of those
[1:43:17]
definite things that we can look into as
[1:43:18]
we advance the design moving forward.
[1:43:20]
And I guess I'll I'll caveat it by
[1:43:22]
saying a lot a lot of what's like
[1:43:24]
popping into my head as somebody who
[1:43:25]
grew up in a bigger city where I biked
[1:43:28]
everywhere. Um, and a lot of the
[1:43:30]
infrastructure improvements were being
[1:43:33]
made as I grew up. And so I just like I I have a visual memory of this,
[1:43:39]
especially the amount of times myself I
[1:43:42]
got hit by cars. Um,
[1:43:46]
and like how that that's that's where
[1:43:49]
I'm coming from here is but thank you.
[1:43:53]
And I had more questions.
[1:43:55]
>> So I let's go around the board first and
[1:43:57]
then come back.
[1:43:59]
>> Um, anyone else? Isaac, Peter?
[1:44:02]
>> No, thank you for the presentation. I
[1:44:04]
mean, it's really informative.
[1:44:05]
Appreciate you coming,
[1:44:06]
>> Isaac.
[1:44:08]
>> Yeah. Um, thank you as well. Um I
[1:44:10]
believe that the there the Brattleboro
[1:44:13]
coalition for active transportation
[1:44:16]
could you okay let me back up the public
[1:44:19]
input just be interested to hear about
[1:44:22]
the process for getting that I know this
[1:44:23]
has been a long time coming and I'm
[1:44:26]
really excited to see this come to
[1:44:28]
fruition because I've been hearing about
[1:44:29]
it for a while so exciting to see the
[1:44:31]
plans what what has been the public
[1:44:33]
input process and particularly has there
[1:44:35]
been engagement with organizations that
[1:44:38]
work with people who are pedestrian
[1:44:40]
cyclists. Um,
[1:44:42]
>> so at this point, not on our end. I do
[1:44:45]
believe that this was presented to BCAT
[1:44:48]
at one point. Um, but we can have f
[1:44:51]
future conversations that we just
[1:44:52]
haven't met with them now. They do
[1:44:54]
understand the changes that, you know,
[1:44:55]
are being made. Um, and we're open to
[1:44:58]
having those conversations.
[1:44:59]
>> Great. And along with that, I'm I'm
[1:45:02]
interested if there's any outreach to to
[1:45:06]
groups that work with low-income
[1:45:07]
residents. I'm just aware that my sense
[1:45:10]
is that that that
[1:45:12]
um probably low-income folks are over
[1:45:15]
represented in the the pedestrians along
[1:45:17]
that stretch. I think a lot of people
[1:45:19]
who don't have cars or don't have access
[1:45:20]
to cars are using um walking along
[1:45:23]
Putney Road and just wanted to see if
[1:45:24]
there was any an outreach to to get
[1:45:27]
perspectives of people who'd actually be
[1:45:29]
using this investments.
[1:45:31]
>> Um well, we're here to get perspectives
[1:45:33]
from individuals, you know, now. So
[1:45:35]
that's we we don't live here. So you
[1:45:37]
know, individuals here do. So that is a
[1:45:40]
good point that um I didn't take into
[1:45:41]
consideration. Uh but we are open for
[1:45:44]
many conversations uh moving forward.
[1:45:46]
Like I said, we're still at the
[1:45:47]
conceptual level. And if you have
[1:45:49]
organizations or people that you think
[1:45:51]
we should talk to, um please send them
[1:45:52]
my way so we can have that conversation.
[1:45:54]
>> Yeah. What would be the best way to get
[1:45:56]
in touch with you?
[1:45:56]
>> I'll give you my card before I leave.
[1:45:58]
>> Sounds good. Thanks. Um and then the
[1:46:00]
final if if I may. Sure. Um it's just
[1:46:03]
it's like Amanda, it's great to see
[1:46:06]
these bus shelters. I know there have
[1:46:07]
been some concerns in Brattleboro with
[1:46:10]
um bus shelters, benches being misused
[1:46:14]
and um drug use happening um out in
[1:46:18]
public and that's something that there
[1:46:20]
have been numerous concerns expressed
[1:46:22]
about that and just wanted to see if
[1:46:24]
there were in terms of um safety and
[1:46:26]
cleanliness if there were going to
[1:46:28]
thoughts about lighting um or I I saw
[1:46:32]
there was like open sides so that's
[1:46:34]
great so people can see in
[1:46:35]
>> um but also You know, I want to It would
[1:46:38]
be great to have shelters that don't
[1:46:39]
just get taken down because of concerns.
[1:46:43]
You you follow me? And I'm I'm
[1:46:45]
interested to know what you know, if
[1:46:46]
there's materials, durability of
[1:46:48]
materials that can be easily cleaned or
[1:46:50]
what your thinking is in terms of just
[1:46:52]
an awareness of some of the issues that
[1:46:54]
have been facing our community.
[1:46:55]
>> Yeah. Um I'll let Dennis answer that,
[1:46:58]
but I I can't say that there's not a
[1:47:00]
risk of that regardless of what we put
[1:47:02]
up there. Um,
[1:47:04]
>> yeah,
[1:47:05]
>> I don't think we have a lot of control
[1:47:07]
with that either. So that that that
[1:47:08]
might be like an enforcement issue
[1:47:10]
moving forward. Um,
[1:47:12]
>> it's I mean like you know vandalism or
[1:47:14]
something like that like I I don't think
[1:47:16]
we'd be immune to that.
[1:47:18]
>> Yeah, of course. But I I think there's
[1:47:20]
design um features that can help mit
[1:47:22]
like what you were talking with about
[1:47:24]
with traffic
[1:47:25]
>> enforcement actually is not necessarily
[1:47:27]
going to like the police can't always be
[1:47:29]
all the time staffing every bus shelter.
[1:47:31]
Um, so I'm curious about like some of
[1:47:33]
the lighting and design.
[1:47:34]
>> So we've done um a significant number of
[1:47:37]
park and rides within Vermont. Um, so we
[1:47:40]
work with the agency to do park and ride
[1:47:42]
projects. And so one of the things we do
[1:47:44]
is we install bus shelters at park and
[1:47:46]
rides. Um what what we've found is that
[1:47:50]
um typically
[1:47:52]
um bus shelters that are of this style
[1:47:56]
uh where they use uh very durable uh
[1:48:00]
materials and but also look um you know
[1:48:05]
somewhat somewhat nice. Uh I know it can
[1:48:08]
you know be obviously you know
[1:48:10]
difference of opinion here but um
[1:48:13]
providing something that you know has a
[1:48:15]
little bit of a visual appeal to it um
[1:48:18]
we what we found is that the amount of
[1:48:21]
vandalism has actually decreased because
[1:48:23]
of the you know the the conditions of
[1:48:26]
this new facility. Um we do have
[1:48:29]
lighting that you know at these park and
[1:48:31]
ride facilities which certainly helps.
[1:48:34]
Um, we are very selective in the amount
[1:48:36]
of landscaping we install so that
[1:48:39]
there's not shaded places that, you
[1:48:42]
know, aren't seen from the roadway, for
[1:48:44]
example. Um, things like installing bus
[1:48:46]
shelters in a particular way within
[1:48:48]
these facilities where there's a lot of
[1:48:51]
headlights coming through at night,
[1:48:53]
people are visually seeing it, there's
[1:48:55]
street lamps nearby. Doing things like
[1:48:57]
that intentionally helps reduce that.
[1:49:00]
Doesn't fully eliminate it. Like Bruce
[1:49:02]
said, it's always, you know, a
[1:49:04]
possibility, but we've we've seen that
[1:49:06]
they they typically last pretty well.
[1:49:08]
And every now and again, you'll see some
[1:49:10]
graffiti on the glass. Um, but the glass
[1:49:12]
is designed to be, you know, cle, you
[1:49:15]
know, they can clean it, they can wash
[1:49:16]
it, they can, you know, do that. Um, and
[1:49:18]
the facilities that are, um, nicer, um,
[1:49:22]
and as they're installed, they typically
[1:49:24]
are just better taken care of. Um, and
[1:49:26]
so that's there there's, you know, a
[1:49:28]
desire to do it that way as well. And I
[1:49:30]
do want to just add something because
[1:49:32]
you did bring up lighting. Um so
[1:49:35]
lighting for for us right now is really
[1:49:37]
just on utility poles on the roadway
[1:49:39]
itself. Um additional features can be
[1:49:42]
added like along the sh's path in other
[1:49:44]
areas. Um but that is something that
[1:49:47]
would be a town um funded aspect. So it'
[1:49:50]
be a nonparticipating aspect for for us.
[1:49:52]
So we can install it as part of the
[1:49:54]
project but that would be a town um paid
[1:49:56]
for for item.
[1:49:57]
Just want to mention it now because we
[1:49:59]
are like I said conceptual level and and
[1:50:00]
something for consideration.
[1:50:02]
>> Yeah. And to Bruce's point about
[1:50:03]
lighting I think you know all of the
[1:50:05]
signalized intersections will have ped
[1:50:07]
you know we'll have lighting
[1:50:08]
specifically for the pedestrian
[1:50:10]
crossings. Also those midblock locations
[1:50:13]
those crossings will also have
[1:50:14]
additional lighting installed just for
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them to meet the state and national
[1:50:18]
codes for like safe crossings across
[1:50:21]
roadways at night. um you know and then
[1:50:23]
we can look at the nearby lights to
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places like bus shelters to make sure
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there's sufficient lighting within that.
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>> Thanks. That addresses the concern.
[1:50:32]
>> Yeah, thanks Isaac. Um I just had one
[1:50:38]
minor question. We've looked at some of
[1:50:40]
this before and I'm excited about it. Um
[1:50:43]
the treating the runoff in the storm
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water basins does that mean an actual
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>> is that just treated by passing through
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u like plants etc. It's not actual
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>> treatment station.
[1:50:57]
>> Good question. Uh it's essentially a a a
[1:51:00]
holding place for water. uh you know, by
[1:51:03]
slowing water down, we're allowing
[1:51:05]
sediment and and things like that to
[1:51:07]
deposit out of the out of the water and
[1:51:10]
into a pre-treatment basin like a forbay
[1:51:13]
and then collect there before it over
[1:51:15]
tops and goes down through a weir and downstream. And so we're capturing a
[1:51:21]
lot of that sediment laden water early
[1:51:23]
in the basin. Um and then uh there is a
[1:51:27]
you know essentially annual or you know
[1:51:30]
bianual process where a vac truck comes
[1:51:32]
out and just cleans out that sediment
[1:51:34]
that's been deposited.
[1:51:35]
>> Okay. And so that cleaning out sort of
[1:51:38]
emptying out the base and that's the
[1:51:40]
only maintenance that we're not talking
[1:51:41]
moving parts and corrects and stuff like
[1:51:43]
that.
[1:51:44]
>> Great.
[1:51:44]
>> Okay. Uh Nell, another question or
[1:51:47]
another question.
[1:51:47]
>> Oh yes, Amanda and then Nell and then
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we'll go to the public.
[1:51:50]
>> Um back to the infiltration basins
[1:51:52]
because we're on that topic. Um so who
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mows those
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>> that so the basins and all the
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maintenance is responsibility of the
[1:52:02]
agency?
[1:52:03]
>> Okay. And um
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how deep is the how many feet do you go
[1:52:10]
down for the basement?
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>> Typically like two or three feet.
[1:52:13]
They're not very deep. Okay.
[1:52:15]
>> Um but they're they're large and so
[1:52:17]
they're able to essentially the idea is
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that they hold water for up to about 24
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hours.
[1:52:22]
>> Okay. And so you have a large massive
[1:52:24]
storm come through, you'll see them fill
[1:52:26]
up and then usually within 24 hours it
[1:52:28]
will drain down to nothing and back to
[1:52:31]
just ground level. And if if they're
[1:52:33]
working properly, that's that's how
[1:52:34]
they're supposed to function.
[1:52:35]
>> And the gray things in the design are
[1:52:38]
those
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>> Oh, yes.
[1:52:40]
>> benches or
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>> That's the uh the gray are essentially
[1:52:45]
like a stone wear. It's that's where the
[1:52:47]
water overflows from the first pool into
[1:52:50]
the second and then from the second as
[1:52:52]
like an emergency spillway. So, it's
[1:52:55]
just stone. Think of it as like a a
[1:52:57]
stone apron.
[1:52:58]
>> Okay. And do any communities have um
[1:53:03]
other uses for spaces like this, like a
[1:53:06]
farmers market or um or
[1:53:10]
>> it's not level enough. That's really the
[1:53:12]
issue with it. um you know it it looks
[1:53:15]
like a large relatively you know flat
[1:53:17]
area on a plan but um it grades down
[1:53:20]
pretty quickly right off the road and so
[1:53:22]
it's not very level. It's only level
[1:53:24]
enough so we can get a back truck in
[1:53:26]
there and it won't tip over but
[1:53:28]
otherwise it's not a place where you'd
[1:53:30]
want to like set up a stand or something
[1:53:32]
like that because it is on an incline.
[1:53:35]
>> And is it fenced in?
[1:53:38]
>> They can be fenced in. Uh we have had
[1:53:40]
this conversation uh already with
[1:53:42]
others. Um we can put fences around
[1:53:44]
them. We do know that putting fences up
[1:53:46]
is not aesthetically pleasing. And in
[1:53:48]
some areas um really the only place
[1:53:51]
would be in the corner of Black Mountain
[1:53:52]
where there's actually room to put put
[1:53:54]
fencing correct wrong on that one. Um
[1:53:57]
>> but if there were to be fencing around
[1:53:58]
it, which you know we can do, uh we
[1:54:01]
could put like um some trees around it
[1:54:03]
just so it looked a little bit better.
[1:54:04]
>> Got it.
[1:54:06]
One more infiltration basin question on
[1:54:08]
the way over to Nell. Can you just
[1:54:10]
reassure me that these giant flat pools
[1:54:14]
of 24-hour storm water aren't mosquito
[1:54:16]
factories?
[1:54:17]
>> Yeah, that's a great it's a great it's a common issue, a common concern
[1:54:20]
for sure. Um, what we do is we actually
[1:54:23]
go out, we we do borings and we test all
[1:54:26]
the sub material under these basins to
[1:54:28]
make sure it can handle the infiltration
[1:54:30]
that needs to occur. And until we can
[1:54:32]
meet those perk rates, those, you know,
[1:54:34]
infiltration rates, we won't install a
[1:54:37]
basin. So, for example, if this area was
[1:54:38]
all clay and couldn't take the water, we
[1:54:42]
wouldn't be allowed to put a basin here.
[1:54:43]
And so, we have to demonstrate that the
[1:54:45]
soil is good, well- draining soil
[1:54:46]
underneath and that water can
[1:54:48]
infiltrate.
[1:54:49]
>> Early testing does show that the soils
[1:54:51]
down through here are very sandy and
[1:54:53]
very well draining.
[1:54:54]
>> Great. Thank you. All right, now
[1:54:57]
>> thanks. Um I was curious the the shared
[1:55:01]
pathway leading up to Town Cryer Drive.
[1:55:04]
So that's that's like a paved sidewalk,
[1:55:07]
>> correct?
[1:55:07]
>> Okay. Um so the the idea is that
[1:55:11]
bicyclists would be going down the paved
[1:55:13]
sidewalk up until the point that the
[1:55:14]
road widens enough to accommodate a
[1:55:16]
dedicated bike lane.
[1:55:17]
>> Correct. We don't have the width. That's
[1:55:19]
the issue there. And so yes, it's a it's a sidewalk as you have anywhere
[1:55:23]
else in town, right? Used the same way
[1:55:25]
as anywhere else in town. Um, there is
[1:55:27]
still a 5- foot wide shoulder on both
[1:55:29]
sides of the road. So, if folks didn't
[1:55:32]
want to and wanted to stay in the road,
[1:55:34]
they they still have that ability to do
[1:55:36]
that.
[1:55:37]
>> Thank you. Um, and I was curious back to
[1:55:41]
the bike lanes and kind of intersections
[1:55:43]
with other road features. Um,
[1:55:48]
I what why do they have to travel
[1:55:51]
straight through as opposed to following
[1:55:52]
the outside edge? Um, is that cuz
[1:55:56]
they're kind of like they have to
[1:55:58]
intersect with the right turn lanes
[1:56:00]
either way. Um,
[1:56:03]
>> but what what's the benefit of having
[1:56:04]
them?
[1:56:05]
>> Can you tell us what page you're on? And
[1:56:07]
>> I'm looking I'm looking at this one.
[1:56:09]
Yep.
[1:56:09]
>> Yep. But you see how there basically
[1:56:11]
anytime there is a widening of the road
[1:56:14]
to allow for a bus pulloff or to allow
[1:56:16]
for a right turn a right-hand turn lane
[1:56:18]
um the bicycle lane continues through it
[1:56:21]
as opposed to
[1:56:23]
following the edge of the road.
[1:56:26]
>> Yeah. So I think maybe a better um image
[1:56:30]
would be if you would go to uh I will
[1:56:34]
I'll find a
[1:56:36]
>> this one. Yeah, this is good. Could you
[1:56:38]
go to slide uh 14, please?
[1:56:40]
>> Mhm.
[1:56:43]
>> Okay. So, if if you see from the right
[1:56:46]
hand side, right, you've got a a right
[1:56:48]
turn lane and then you've got a bike
[1:56:50]
lane and then you've got your through
[1:56:52]
lane and then your left turn lane,
[1:56:53]
right? So, the idea there is the reason
[1:56:56]
we put keep the bikes in the middle is
[1:56:58]
for two two reasons. One, um giving them
[1:57:01]
a nice straight path, it makes their
[1:57:03]
location more predictable to vehicles,
[1:57:07]
right? So, a bicyclist that's not
[1:57:08]
meandering back and forth, it visually
[1:57:11]
you've got more cues as a driver like,
[1:57:13]
"Okay, this is where the bike lane is.
[1:57:15]
It stays right here straight through um
[1:57:18]
rather than meandering away from me and
[1:57:19]
then coming back to me." And so, that helps from that standpoint um
[1:57:23]
visually for the drivers. Um it also
[1:57:26]
makes uh for a bicyclist more
[1:57:29]
predictable path of travel. So, you
[1:57:31]
know, when there's an unexpected
[1:57:33]
situation that occurs, they're they can
[1:57:36]
react to it rather than focusing on
[1:57:38]
trying to stay along a path that's
[1:57:40]
changing direction. Um, so there's those
[1:57:43]
are the two general benefits of that.
[1:57:44]
The other thing is the vehicles that are
[1:57:46]
in the right turn lane, they're most likely going to be coming
[1:57:50]
to a stop or slowing down significantly
[1:57:52]
before turning right. And so we want to
[1:57:55]
we want the bicyclists that are
[1:57:57]
continuing straight down the road to
[1:57:58]
maintain their speed with vehicles. A
[1:58:01]
lot of times the difference in speed
[1:58:03]
between the car and the bicyclist is one
[1:58:05]
of the things that makes it so
[1:58:06]
dangerous. If we can maintain speeds of
[1:58:09]
similar rates that gives them, you know,
[1:58:12]
a safer ride through that area. So those
[1:58:15]
are the reasons why we do that.
[1:58:17]
>> Thank you. Um
[1:58:20]
>> yeah, my my concern there was basically
[1:58:22]
people that don't know where they're
[1:58:23]
going and kind of yink into the right
[1:58:25]
turn lane.
[1:58:26]
>> Yeah.
[1:58:26]
>> Um is it possible that when there is the
[1:58:32]
advanced screen for pedestrians that
[1:58:35]
there could be an integrated advance
[1:58:37]
green for bicyclists as well? So there
[1:58:41]
are options uh where bicyclists
[1:58:44]
depending on the intersection and the
[1:58:46]
operations of the signal uh have a what
[1:58:48]
we call like a bike box. Yeah.
[1:58:50]
>> Right. Where they are able to trigger
[1:58:52]
the signal as a bicyclist um rather than
[1:58:55]
um but um and we can look at this. This
[1:58:58]
is something that you know we don't
[1:58:59]
typically designate at a conceptual
[1:59:01]
level design. We typically do this
[1:59:03]
further on as we're refining the design
[1:59:05]
and and things like that. But um Brends
[1:59:09]
does do that in some locations depending
[1:59:12]
on the amount of bicyclists and things
[1:59:14]
like that. Um the the thing to you know
[1:59:17]
kind of look at carefully there is that
[1:59:21]
um having a dedicated bike box doesn't
[1:59:24]
necessarily make you safer as a
[1:59:26]
bicyclist because ultimately you're
[1:59:28]
still if the right if the light is red
[1:59:30]
you have for the vehicles you also as a
[1:59:32]
bicyclist have to stop there. And so
[1:59:35]
there's, you know, the concern that if
[1:59:38]
they have uh, you know, a a phase that's
[1:59:41]
out of alignment with the vehicles that
[1:59:43]
there could be confusion right from
[1:59:45]
that. If there's not a lot of bicyclists
[1:59:47]
in that area that constantly navigate
[1:59:49]
that intersection. So, we'd have to look
[1:59:52]
at that more carefully and see if it's
[1:59:53]
appropriate. Um, there are guidelines
[1:59:55]
for it that we would typically follow
[1:59:57]
and we'd make a decision, you know,
[1:59:59]
based on those volumes. And by bite box,
[2:00:01]
do you mean um like where there is what
[2:00:04]
I've seen at least like embedded ground
[2:00:06]
channels that signal a light change?
[2:00:09]
>> Okay.
[2:00:09]
>> Correct. Uh yeah, that's that's one
[2:00:11]
option. Another option is just with a
[2:00:13]
camera, which is probably what we would
[2:00:14]
do here. We would probably not use loops
[2:00:17]
within this intersection. We would just
[2:00:19]
use a camera detection for that. And
[2:00:21]
what I was um referring to is just
[2:00:24]
something I saw
[2:00:27]
have a lot of success in other places
[2:00:30]
I've lived where there is literally a
[2:00:32]
tiny bike traffic light
[2:00:35]
>> and they get an advanced green the same
[2:00:36]
way that a pedestrian gets an advanced
[2:00:38]
walk symbol before the red light turns
[2:00:41]
green such that they're not competing in
[2:00:44]
high travel intersections with left
[2:00:45]
turns like the Hanniffords or like that
[2:00:48]
kind of thing. um because generally they
[2:00:51]
get they get stuck or they just get
[2:00:53]
driven into.
[2:00:54]
>> Sure. Yeah. No, it's something we can
[2:00:56]
look at.
[2:00:56]
>> Thank you guys. Thanks for that's those
[2:00:58]
are all my questions and thank you for
[2:00:59]
entertaining them.
[2:01:00]
>> Great. So, um thank you everyone. I'm
[2:01:03]
actually going to suggest that we take a
[2:01:04]
five minute recess. Everyone stretches.
[2:01:07]
We come back and take questions from the
[2:01:09]
public.
[2:01:10]
>> Yeah,
[2:01:10]
>> that's not the correct time. It's
[2:01:11]
actually
[2:01:13]
>> 8:20.
[2:01:14]
>> The battery and the clock is running
[2:01:16]
down.
[2:01:16]
>> So, we're going to recess for 5 minutes.
[2:01:19]
box.
[2:01:20]
>> Thank you everyone. We're going to come
[2:01:21]
back to order. We're going to go to the
[2:01:23]
public. So Dick and then Prudence and
[2:01:26]
then Gemma,
[2:01:28]
please.
[2:01:32]
» Okay, I have a question for everybody in
[2:01:34]
the room. How many was here for the
[2:01:36]
first presentation of this project?
[2:01:41]
>> I don't think you were here. It was in
[2:01:42]
2000. Were you here in 2007?
[2:01:45]
>> No, you were not. I was sitting up there
[2:01:49]
actually I was on the board and it's
[2:01:51]
interesting about the scope of this
[2:01:53]
project has changed because it was
[2:01:56]
presented to us as safety because one of
[2:02:00]
the reasons was the high accident rate
[2:02:03]
on Putney Road
[2:02:05]
>> and the reason for the roundabouts was
[2:02:08]
to if anybody wanted to make a left-hand
[2:02:11]
turn you were going to have to go up to
[2:02:13]
the roundabout make a turn and then head
[2:02:15]
either north or south whatever ever
[2:02:17]
direction you were going. So it would be
[2:02:20]
interesting to find out why that scope
[2:02:23]
of safety, real safety changed. And when
[2:02:29]
you said something, I don't know if it's
[2:02:31]
a cost uh where you said the right of
[2:02:35]
way
[2:02:37]
uh with the roundabout project, I think
[2:02:40]
there would have to have been a lot of
[2:02:42]
negotiating. Was that a big reason for
[2:02:44]
the change that's happening? Uh because
[2:02:48]
I think that that's definitely got to be
[2:02:50]
a concern.
[2:02:52]
Uh
[2:02:54]
because those are the things that I I
[2:02:56]
thought about of why this was and when
[2:02:59]
the presentation was I don't think
[2:03:02]
Representative Burke was elected yet. I
[2:03:05]
believe it might have been 2007 or 2008.
[2:03:10]
And it was told that this project would
[2:03:14]
start in 2018
[2:03:17]
and here we are 2026. What is the
[2:03:20]
projected start date of this project?
[2:03:24]
Is this we looking at uh 2036
[2:03:28]
maybe or later? So I might not be around
[2:03:31]
when this project happens which I was
[2:03:33]
hoping I was going to be around for the
[2:03:35]
first project.
[2:03:37]
>> Um
[2:03:38]
>> thank you Dick. Yeah. So the first
[2:03:39]
question was about the safety and
[2:03:41]
roundabout aspect and the second one
[2:03:43]
about potential project date.
[2:03:46]
>> Yeah. Um so I can't speak for a lot of
[2:03:48]
things were said before me. I wasn't
[2:03:50]
even working with the agency in 2007. Um
[2:03:53]
so safety is still always a factor with
[2:03:55]
whatever we do. So that's why we are
[2:03:57]
trying to enhance these these signals
[2:04:00]
which are not really functioning right
[2:04:01]
now. making them all work together as
[2:04:04]
that will improve the safety that's out
[2:04:05]
there because there are a lot of people
[2:04:07]
that are I think rushing probably to get
[2:04:10]
through them and and um it's not working
[2:04:13]
extremely well. Um another thing I
[2:04:15]
believe is some of the turn lanes that
[2:04:16]
we are adding in as well. Um you're not
[2:04:19]
going to have people queuing in and
[2:04:20]
having u you know bender benders because
[2:04:22]
they will be able to get get off that
[2:04:24]
travel uh travel route itself. Um, and
[2:04:28]
also the pedestrian facilities, like I
[2:04:31]
said, I think are currently
[2:04:32]
non-existing. So, that will be
[2:04:33]
definitely enhanced, which I think will
[2:04:35]
improve the safety in the area itself.
[2:04:37]
>> Sure.
[2:04:40]
>> So, if you're traveling north, there's
[2:04:44]
actually more right-hand turns of
[2:04:47]
businesses on the northern quarter
[2:04:50]
heading out. Heading south, there's
[2:04:52]
minimal places where you would turn off.
[2:04:55]
And so
[2:04:57]
when they talked about the project, it
[2:04:59]
was trying to minimize people cutting
[2:05:01]
across and getting into those accidents.
[2:05:04]
What even though you're you're enhancing
[2:05:07]
the the lights, that's not doing
[2:05:10]
anything about entering businesses along
[2:05:13]
the corridor whether you're traveling
[2:05:15]
north or south.
[2:05:18]
>> I think we are adding some additional
[2:05:19]
turn lanes which which would enhance it
[2:05:22]
though. Um, like I said, so that would
[2:05:24]
get the vehicles off off the roadway and
[2:05:26]
having that through line as well.
[2:05:27]
>> Yeah. We're also defining the locations
[2:05:30]
where those conflicts occur. And so by
[2:05:33]
reducing the number of driveways and
[2:05:35]
openings um along the corridor, we're
[2:05:37]
helping to consolidate those vehicle
[2:05:39]
movements. So at the very least, they're
[2:05:41]
more predictable for drivers that are
[2:05:43]
driving along the corridor. You are
[2:05:45]
you're more likely to be able to expect
[2:05:47]
where you're going to see that oncoming
[2:05:49]
traffic. And with with signals that are
[2:05:51]
working well together, what you're also
[2:05:53]
doing is you're creating a lot more
[2:05:54]
opportunity for people to pull out into
[2:05:57]
the road because as the signals are
[2:05:59]
communicating with each other, they're
[2:06:00]
creating stops within and breaks within
[2:06:03]
traffic that's more regular and so it
[2:06:06]
creates more opportunity for folks to
[2:06:08]
pull out into the main road. Um where a
[2:06:11]
continuous flow of traffic makes that
[2:06:13]
much harder.
[2:06:14]
>> Thank you. And
[2:06:16]
>> yes,
[2:06:16]
>> follow was was the next question the
[2:06:18]
schedule question
[2:06:19]
>> indeed.
[2:06:20]
>> Okay. Um so right now we're looking at
[2:06:24]
2032
[2:06:25]
um to get out here. Um because this is a high cost project still um and
[2:06:31]
we do have some funding issues that
[2:06:34]
we're working with, but also we have to
[2:06:35]
get through our process, our rightway
[2:06:36]
process, get all of our permitting. And
[2:06:38]
even though our our footprint is greatly
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reduced which should help all of that
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there is still a process that we're
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going through with all commercial
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properties that does take some
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considerable time
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>> and act 250.
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>> So um there are two people waiting to
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speak and then it'll be your turn. So
[2:06:53]
prudence. Yes. Prudence Gemma and then
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Molly.
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>> Thank you. I'm Prudence McKini and um
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I'm a member of uh Bradboro Coalition
[2:07:01]
for Active Transportation. Um and we do
[2:07:04]
look forward to sitting down with you um
[2:07:06]
you know to review this in detail. Um
[2:07:08]
the town met with BCAT I think that was
[2:07:10]
in July and we got a chance to look at
[2:07:13]
this and um the improvements for
[2:07:15]
pedestrians are are uh huge really
[2:07:19]
important. Um and as well as uh you know
[2:07:22]
an improved situation for bicyclists
[2:07:25]
although there probably are some added
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uh u improvements that could be made.
[2:07:31]
Um, like Dick, we're all concerned about
[2:07:34]
the timing. Um, it it feels like a lot
[2:07:37]
of time was probably lost in a plan
[2:07:39]
that, you know, um, perhaps was
[2:07:42]
overdesigned or whatever. Um, and so I
[2:07:45]
guess it's just a plea that, you know,
[2:07:46]
if it's 2032, let's make it 2032
[2:07:50]
because, uh, it's it's extremely
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dangerous, uh, especially for people
[2:07:53]
that are walking on Putney Road. Um, one
[2:07:57]
of the big concerns, um, as you're
[2:08:01]
aware, I think, is this pinch down area,
[2:08:03]
which, you know, is going down to
[2:08:05]
Veterans Bridge down to West River. And
[2:08:08]
so, is it possible to pull that up again
[2:08:10]
and show us like we we were hoping that
[2:08:13]
the road would be able to be widened,
[2:08:16]
perhaps a retaining wall on the river
[2:08:18]
side or something like that.
[2:08:20]
>> Yeah, we we we are widening the roadway.
[2:08:23]
you are.
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>> So, we are taking the existing narrow
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crosssection and we're actually able to
[2:08:29]
provide those wider shoulders. Um, so
[2:08:32]
each shoulder is going to be a 5ft
[2:08:33]
shoulder on both sides of the road going
[2:08:35]
up that hill. Um, where the current
[2:08:37]
shoulder is significantly narrower, you
[2:08:39]
know, 1 to two feet in some of the
[2:08:41]
locations. Um, the other thing that
[2:08:43]
we're doing is we're adding a dedicated
[2:08:45]
pedestrian path. There's a little bit of
[2:08:47]
a path that kind of goes up, a little
[2:08:49]
bit of a dirt type path. Yeah. Um, so
[2:08:52]
what we're going to do is we're going to
[2:08:54]
provide a a separated sidewalk there,
[2:08:58]
um, along, you know, with curbing and
[2:08:59]
things like that to help get that, you
[2:09:01]
know, pedestrian pathway going up the
[2:09:03]
hill. Um, but what even with just the
[2:09:06]
things I just described, um, we're
[2:09:08]
already widening the road pretty
[2:09:10]
significantly and having to cut into
[2:09:12]
both the the part that drops off down to
[2:09:15]
the West River and that hillside that
[2:09:17]
we're having to cut into that as well.
[2:09:20]
um just to get what I described now.
[2:09:22]
>> Okay. So, there'll be um there'll be the
[2:09:26]
shoulders the wide shoulders for
[2:09:27]
cyclists and then there'll be a sidewalk
[2:09:29]
on the west river side.
[2:09:31]
>> Correct. Yes.
[2:09:32]
>> Okay.
[2:09:32]
>> Yeah.
[2:09:33]
>> Thank you. Um and then additionally in
[2:09:36]
that area, the um traffic going into the
[2:09:39]
marina and the office buildings there
[2:09:41]
and so on. Um we had talked um with the
[2:09:44]
town about the possibility of um having
[2:09:47]
a demo project there next summer to see
[2:09:50]
how it will work with the proposed plan.
[2:09:53]
Um there's a lot of traffic going in and
[2:09:55]
out of there and um and there's also
[2:09:58]
folks, you know, walking across to the
[2:10:00]
uh to the boat rental and so on. So, um,
[2:10:04]
we're hopeful that, you know, the town
[2:10:05]
and Vrans can, uh, you know, we could
[2:10:08]
work with local motion to do a
[2:10:09]
demonstration project to see how that,
[2:10:12]
uh, turning design actually works.
[2:10:15]
>> Yeah, it sounds great actually.
[2:10:17]
>> Yeah, thanks, Prudence.
[2:10:18]
>> Thank you.
[2:10:20]
>> Gemma's next, but I keep forgetting Sue
[2:10:22]
wants me to tell everyone that the
[2:10:24]
planning department has a giant physical
[2:10:27]
map of what you've seen up here. So, if
[2:10:29]
you're interested, please just visit the
[2:10:31]
planning department in the town offices
[2:10:33]
and you can take a look at that um
[2:10:35]
anytime.
[2:10:38]
» All right, Gemma.
[2:10:41]
>> Hi. Uh Gemma Seymour. I'm a member of
[2:10:43]
the Brattleboroough Planning Commission
[2:10:45]
and this plan has not been pre presented
[2:10:48]
to the planning commission. So, I'm
[2:10:50]
hoping that you will indulge me with a
[2:10:52]
few questions. Um first of all, I may
[2:10:55]
have missed this at the beginning, but
[2:10:57]
what about the south end of town? The
[2:10:58]
original project scope stretched from
[2:11:00]
all the way from the exit one
[2:11:02]
interchange all the way north to the
[2:11:04]
exit 3 interchange. I thought
[2:11:06]
>> no, it was the the bridge to the exit 3
[2:11:10]
as still we're in the same footprint as
[2:11:12]
it was before.
[2:11:14]
>> Okay. Um what is the physical and visual
[2:11:17]
distinction of the shared use path from
[2:11:20]
a regular sidewalk considering that
[2:11:21]
Brattleboroough ordinances disallow
[2:11:24]
bicycle use on sidewalks in the town?
[2:11:27]
And so, Gemma, I'm just going to ask you
[2:11:28]
to ask all your questions to me at once
[2:11:30]
and then we'll go through them in order
[2:11:33]
over here.
[2:11:34]
>> Okay. I just don't want people to forget
[2:11:35]
the questions. Um, second, what, if
[2:11:38]
anything, is Vrans doing to coordinate
[2:11:40]
with private property owners along the
[2:11:42]
Putney Road service carter to
[2:11:44]
potentially redesign access to and from
[2:11:46]
parking lots in order to maximize the
[2:11:48]
benefits of this reconstruction?
[2:11:50]
Um, and fortunately a couple other of my
[2:11:54]
questions have already been answered by
[2:11:55]
other people's questions, but the last
[2:11:57]
one is how is this reconstruction going
[2:12:00]
to impact the properties to the north of
[2:12:02]
the I91 exit 3 interchange which is
[2:12:05]
being re reszoned to allow for more
[2:12:08]
housing legally. I'm concerned about the
[2:12:10]
ability of residents and workers to
[2:12:11]
cross the interchange and safety.
[2:12:13]
Roundabouts are excellent for motor
[2:12:15]
vehicle throughput, but they are
[2:12:16]
extremely unsafe for anyone not in a
[2:12:18]
motor vehicle.
[2:12:20]
And uh th those are my questions.
[2:12:22]
>> Okay. Thanks, Gemma. Um quick quickly on
[2:12:25]
number three, we're this plan adds no
[2:12:27]
new roundabouts and makes no changes to
[2:12:29]
the exit 3 roundabout. Is that correct?
[2:12:31]
>> Correct. We're tying in just south of
[2:12:32]
the exit 3 roundabouts. We are not going
[2:12:34]
to be making any change to that.
[2:12:36]
>> Okay. So, the two questions I heard were
[2:12:39]
the um mixeduse paths related to bicycle
[2:12:42]
use on sidewalks. I don't firsthand know
[2:12:46]
the that there is an ordinance
[2:12:49]
preventing bicycle use on sidewalks.
[2:12:51]
It's entirely possible. I'm seeing heads
[2:12:54]
shaking. Um is there a member of town
[2:12:57]
staff with
[2:12:59]
>> an opinion? It's okay if not. It's
[2:13:00]
something we can look up for another
[2:13:03]
time.
[2:13:04]
>> Yeah.
[2:13:04]
we can look into it.
[2:13:05]
>> Okay.
[2:13:06]
>> Yeah, we should look look into it. I
[2:13:08]
think that there that bicycle use can be
[2:13:12]
allowed on certain sidewalks. So, I
[2:13:14]
don't know if that has to be designated
[2:13:15]
in the ordinance.
[2:13:17]
>> Okay. And just that I think everybody
[2:13:19]
knows, but these are going to be wider
[2:13:20]
than typical sidewalks. So, there's
[2:13:22]
going to be more room if needed.
[2:13:24]
>> Okay. And then I think the last question
[2:13:26]
was about how you're coordinating with
[2:13:27]
privity private property owners for the
[2:13:30]
project. So, we are going to meet with
[2:13:31]
all the property owners that are
[2:13:32]
impacted by this and discuss where I
[2:13:35]
mean we have some proposed access
[2:13:37]
management that we are are going to move
[2:13:39]
forward with, but we do want to meet
[2:13:41]
with them as well just to see if they're
[2:13:43]
instances that could impact their
[2:13:45]
businesses or if we could close them up
[2:13:47]
a little bit more just so we don't have
[2:13:49]
areas that are wide open. But we do meet
[2:13:51]
with all property owners along our
[2:13:52]
projects.
[2:13:53]
>> Great. Thank you. Okay. So, we're going
[2:13:55]
to go to Molly and then the gentleman in
[2:13:57]
the back and then Kathleen and then come
[2:13:59]
back to the board because we do have
[2:14:01]
another presenter still waiting for
[2:14:02]
another item.
[2:14:04]
>> Hi, Molly.
[2:14:05]
>> Molly Burke. Uh, still representing
[2:14:08]
Battleboro for a while. Um, first of
[2:14:10]
all, I want to thank Bruce and Dennis
[2:14:12]
for coming here for their flexibility
[2:14:15]
and really sort of being listening to
[2:14:18]
what we're asking. And to Jeremy Reid,
[2:14:21]
the chief engineer, he and I started
[2:14:23]
talking about this, I don't know, few
[2:14:25]
years ago, sort of thinking about how
[2:14:27]
much the project was going to cost as
[2:14:29]
designed and what did people actually
[2:14:31]
want, wanted better, um, especially with
[2:14:34]
bicyclists, things like that. So, uh,
[2:14:37]
and speaking of history, when I was
[2:14:40]
elected, probably it must have been like
[2:14:42]
late 2008, right after I was elected,
[2:14:45]
Gary Good, who was the owner of, um,
[2:14:48]
Friends of the Sun, came to my house
[2:14:50]
with a binder full of the plan for
[2:14:52]
Putney Road, and he said, "I hope you
[2:14:54]
can make this happen." So, that was, uh,
[2:14:57]
going in and here we are. But it's it's
[2:15:00]
sort of interesting to see. But I I
[2:15:02]
guess I'd like to say that during this
[2:15:04]
time, um things have really changed in
[2:15:06]
the transportation world. I really
[2:15:09]
appreciate the fact of incorporating
[2:15:11]
complete streets principles into this
[2:15:13]
whole project. And complete streets
[2:15:15]
meaning that the streets are for
[2:15:16]
everybody, not just cars. And so during
[2:15:19]
that time, during the 18 years that I've
[2:15:21]
been in the legislature, there's been a
[2:15:23]
big change, I think, in BRANS in terms
[2:15:25]
of thinking about these things. And um
[2:15:28]
so I really appreciate that and the work
[2:15:31]
that you've done for this and we'll see
[2:15:33]
uh how this transpires. I think there've
[2:15:35]
been great input from select board
[2:15:37]
members and members of the public and we're on this process. Okay.
[2:15:41]
>> Thank you. Thank you, Molly. So quickly,
[2:15:45]
we have
[2:15:47]
um operation on pedestrian pathways. the
[2:15:49]
ordinance. It shall be lawful for any
[2:15:51]
person to operate any bicycle on any of
[2:15:53]
the sidewalks of the town except a
[2:15:56]
relatively short list of streets that
[2:15:58]
doesn't seem to include Putney Road. So,
[2:16:00]
I think we're okay there. Um, but that's
[2:16:02]
a good question.
[2:16:03]
>> Skateboarding is also prohibitly
[2:16:05]
prohibitive. Sorry, it's allowed on
[2:16:07]
Putney Road. I would assume it applies.
[2:16:10]
>> Excellent. Um, yes,
[2:16:12]
>> Dr. Will Foster.
[2:16:14]
>> Yes,
[2:16:16]
I am Dr. Will Foster. I'm CEO of
[2:16:19]
Holographic Technologies, Inc. I live on
[2:16:21]
Chestnut Street. Um, I'm very concerned
[2:16:25]
about decisions this
[2:16:27]
select board has made in terms of
[2:16:29]
selecting vendors and people and giving
[2:16:32]
and the IT that you choose. I have a PhD
[2:16:35]
in MIS from Eller School of Management
[2:16:37]
at the University of Arizona. We're the
[2:16:39]
world leaders in understanding how
[2:16:41]
technology should be applied to
[2:16:42]
organizations and communities. We
[2:16:44]
invented AI. Um, we are ranked the best
[2:16:47]
MIS department in the world.
[2:16:49]
>> I'm sorry to interrupt, but you really
[2:16:51]
need to keep your comments.
[2:16:52]
>> Very specific. I am I have lived in my
[2:16:55]
family has lived in Putney for a 100,000
[2:16:57]
years. We have woripped here on this
[2:16:59]
land for 100,000 years. We believe and I
[2:17:03]
can go in many stories, but basically
[2:17:05]
these guys are using AI and it does not
[2:17:09]
understand our land. Thank you.
[2:17:12]
>> Thank you.
[2:17:15]
Okay, one more comment from Kathleen and
[2:17:18]
then we're going to have to bring it
[2:17:18]
back to the board because we're really
[2:17:21]
running late, but it sounds like the
[2:17:23]
door is wide open for public engagement
[2:17:26]
with the team at Vrans and anyone
[2:17:29]
listening should feel free to reach out
[2:17:30]
to them or anyone on the select board
[2:17:33]
for feedback or if you have questions.
[2:17:35]
So, Kathleen, hello. Hi, I'm Kathleen
[2:17:39]
White and I'm on the Rattleboro
[2:17:41]
Coalition for Active Transportation and
[2:17:43]
I partly raised my hand to give an
[2:17:45]
answer about the bicycle on the
[2:17:47]
sidewalks, but it seems like you've
[2:17:49]
covered it. It's really the downtown
[2:17:51]
district area. I think that you can't
[2:17:53]
ride the bicycles. But I had another
[2:17:55]
question and it I don't know if it's VR
[2:17:58]
or whether it would be our town, but
[2:18:00]
Wendy Harrison raised this at one of our
[2:18:02]
meetings. There's some beautiful big old
[2:18:04]
locust trees along that uh right of way
[2:18:08]
in the narrow section on the west river
[2:18:12]
side and her fear was that those trees
[2:18:15]
would have to come down in order to
[2:18:17]
create the widened road and is there any
[2:18:20]
way to avoid taking down those big
[2:18:23]
beautiful trees? Um so whether if
[2:18:28]
someone can answer that that would be
[2:18:31]
>> yeah I right now they are are being
[2:18:34]
proposed to come down um just because
[2:18:36]
that is it as we've talked about several
[2:18:38]
times today like that is a very tight
[2:18:40]
section through there and any widening
[2:18:42]
is really going to be encroaching on
[2:18:43]
that. So it's it's really a a hard
[2:18:45]
situation because if we are to shift the
[2:18:48]
road there we're adding more jogs into
[2:18:50]
the road that we don't really want to
[2:18:51]
add and more curvature. Um, and also
[2:18:54]
there's a very steep bank that we'd be
[2:18:56]
chasing a very long ways as well. Um, so
[2:19:00]
a lot of these times we have these
[2:19:01]
projects, there's trying to find the
[2:19:02]
balance of what we can and can't do. Um,
[2:19:05]
so we definitely want to make sure we
[2:19:06]
get that width in there for the the
[2:19:08]
shoulders and that sidewalk. And
[2:19:10]
unfortunately, that's just the location
[2:19:12]
that
[2:19:13]
>> Yeah,
[2:19:14]
>> that is impactful for for those those
[2:19:16]
areas. So
[2:19:18]
>> I think I think the original plan had
[2:19:20]
them coming down. Yeah, that it was
[2:19:22]
always within the the plan of the
[2:19:24]
project from the beginning.
[2:19:25]
Unfortunately, uh those trees are so
[2:19:28]
close to the road that any kind of
[2:19:30]
widening of the road in that area
[2:19:32]
immediately impacts their trunk and root
[2:19:34]
system.
[2:19:35]
>> Yeah,
[2:19:35]
>> maybe we can plant some trees.
[2:19:37]
>> Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Kathy.
[2:19:38]
>> Plant some more trees. Yeah.
[2:19:39]
>> Thank you.
[2:19:40]
There was an earlier
[2:19:42]
conversation we did have. it' be po if
[2:19:44]
it was possible to do a little
[2:19:46]
landscaping or tree planting in that
[2:19:48]
area and it sounded like it might be.
[2:19:51]
>> Yeah, I mean right now there is a stone
[2:19:53]
slope that we can al always put
[2:19:54]
grubbings on top of and some tubing some
[2:19:57]
smaller trees. Obviously they're not
[2:19:59]
they're going to be this big but someday
[2:20:00]
they will grow. Um but definitely
[2:20:01]
something that we can can add. And you
[2:20:04]
know we are still conceptual right now.
[2:20:07]
There are a lot of power lines in that
[2:20:09]
area as well that we haven't figured out
[2:20:11]
where we're putting them yet. Um, so
[2:20:12]
that's always another impact that we're
[2:20:14]
going to be dealing with as we advance
[2:20:15]
our designs. So,
[2:20:16]
>> great. Thank you. Okay, so I'd like to
[2:20:18]
bring it back to the board now. I see
[2:20:20]
the hand, but um, everyone's had a
[2:20:22]
chance to speak, and I think we need to,
[2:20:25]
um, move forward. So, there is a a
[2:20:28]
certainly a request to, um, sort of
[2:20:32]
officially endorse the current project
[2:20:34]
plan. My personal preference would be to
[2:20:37]
give the public a little time with this
[2:20:38]
and come back in a meeting or two and
[2:20:41]
make a final recommendation. I think
[2:20:43]
there's a lot to dig into here and
[2:20:45]
people are going to want to talk to us
[2:20:46]
and talk to you. U but other board
[2:20:48]
members with thoughts.
[2:20:51]
>> I support that recommendation.
[2:20:55]
» I appreciate the amount of time you took
[2:20:58]
to listen to concerns and the amount of
[2:21:01]
stuff that the reply was essentially. we
[2:21:03]
can look into how that might fit in. Um,
[2:21:06]
so I think for my own opinion, I would
[2:21:08]
be really interested to hear how it
[2:21:10]
might fit in. Um, because I'm not sure
[2:21:13]
if this is conceptual, how far an
[2:21:14]
endorsement goes when there's so much
[2:21:17]
more to still be decided.
[2:21:21]
» Yes. I'm not sure the answer to that
[2:21:24]
question. I think there's going to be a
[2:21:26]
couple different phases to this after
[2:21:29]
that point.
[2:21:30]
>> Yes. Uh just to my thoughts on this is
[2:21:33]
that
[2:21:34]
we still have you know to try to hit
[2:21:36]
that 2032 date that I've already
[2:21:38]
mentioned today like we want to start
[2:21:41]
advancing things now like looking into
[2:21:44]
some of these things can be just a
[2:21:46]
change in our next design of of
[2:21:48]
preliminary design itself. Um so that's
[2:21:50]
not something that we would just stop
[2:21:53]
everything you know look at this it' be
[2:21:55]
something we'd incorporate with our our
[2:21:56]
design moving forward. Um,
[2:21:58]
>> but to hit that 2032 date sometime soon,
[2:22:02]
you're looking for some kind of formal
[2:22:04]
buy in so you can start taking next
[2:22:06]
steps. Is that
[2:22:06]
>> I do want buyin? Yes, for sure. Um,
[2:22:10]
>> this is going to sound really bad the
[2:22:11]
way I say this. This is a state road so
[2:22:13]
I but I want to be partners with the
[2:22:15]
town of Bradboro throughout
[2:22:17]
>> as we all do. Um, so I want
[2:22:19]
>> I want to make sure that we're meeting
[2:22:21]
your goals as well. I just want to be
[2:22:23]
able to make sure that we can still
[2:22:25]
advance this moving forward. try to hit
[2:22:27]
that that date.
[2:22:29]
>> Great. Okay. Well, unless there's a
[2:22:30]
motion from the board, I think which I'm
[2:22:33]
not seeing, I think we'll just thank you
[2:22:34]
very much for that presentation and
[2:22:36]
taking all that time with us.
[2:22:38]
>> Um, and hope to plan to discuss this
[2:22:41]
again in a meeting or two.
[2:22:43]
>> Yeah. Okay.
[2:22:44]
>> Great.
[2:22:45]
>> Thank you. That was great.
[2:22:49]
And at last, if Ryan is still here,
[2:22:54]
>> which he is, I'll invite you to the
[2:22:56]
table and we're going to have um an
[2:22:58]
update on the townwide reappraisal. And
[2:23:00]
Jennifer, hello.
[2:23:05]
» Hello. And if you wouldn't mind just
[2:23:07]
both introducing yourself for people
[2:23:09]
watching um and then uh
[2:23:13]
>> Absolutely. Yeah, I'm Ryan Sylvestri. on
[2:23:14]
the your project manager for your uh
[2:23:17]
2027 townwide reappraisal.
[2:23:19]
>> Jennifer Bernell, town assessor.
[2:23:22]
>> Awesome. So, in your packet, you should
[2:23:24]
have a uh progress report letter dated
[2:23:27]
July 6th.
[2:23:29]
>> I believe the board in the packet, you
[2:23:31]
have it. So, I'm going to read that, but
[2:23:34]
I'm going to be amending the numbers.
[2:23:37]
So, as we go through the numbers as of
[2:23:39]
today
[2:23:40]
>> as opposed to July 6th. So data
[2:23:43]
collection inspection out of the 3578
[2:23:47]
residential parcels we have um collected
[2:23:50]
data on 2378.
[2:23:52]
We've inspected the interiors of 890
[2:23:56]
parcels
[2:23:58]
um which is real which is really good
[2:24:00]
and the data collectors they have a lot
[2:24:02]
of uh cleanup in the tank. So that that
[2:24:04]
number is likely over a thousand as it
[2:24:06]
stands today. That's just data is
[2:24:07]
getting put into the system. Um,
[2:24:10]
residential listing is now 70% complete
[2:24:13]
as opposed to 50. Uh, we have 1,200
[2:24:16]
residential properties left to list. 346
[2:24:20]
of which are single wide mobile homes.
[2:24:23]
So, those will go really quickly. Those will go really quickly. Um, so
[2:24:27]
we're about 50 days um estimated time
[2:24:30]
for residential data collection and then
[2:24:32]
we'll be getting into commercial data
[2:24:34]
collection starting really Jan Jan 1,
[2:24:37]
beginning of the new year. Um, we'll
[2:24:39]
also be sending out income and expense
[2:24:41]
request forms um in January for all the
[2:24:44]
commercial properties so that we can uh
[2:24:46]
use the income and expense meth uh
[2:24:48]
income and expense methodology um to
[2:24:51]
valuation for your commercial properties
[2:24:53]
throughout Bradleboro. We try to time
[2:24:55]
that right around the time that
[2:24:56]
everybody's getting their tax documents
[2:24:57]
together for for their 26 uh tax
[2:25:01]
returns. um taxpayer relations, we we
[2:25:04]
are having really good uh response from
[2:25:06]
taxpayers in the field, having really
[2:25:08]
meaningful conversations, educating um
[2:25:11]
as we go. Um so there have been really
[2:25:13]
good um back and forth between our field uh uh support and um taxpayers
[2:25:20]
of Brattleboro. We've kind of become
[2:25:22]
fixtures. You probably have seen the
[2:25:23]
guys in the orange vests cruising around
[2:25:26]
and we've kind of become fixtures in
[2:25:27]
your community. So, um you know, we'll
[2:25:30]
be wrapping up the outskirts here of the
[2:25:32]
community um within the next couple
[2:25:34]
weeks and the last residential mailer
[2:25:37]
will really be right coming back into
[2:25:39]
downtown um on Western A. We'll be
[2:25:42]
really kind of all those tight-knit
[2:25:44]
neighborhoods around that. Um so, yeah,
[2:25:48]
no, definitely 100% on schedule. So,
[2:25:51]
yeah, 100% on schedule.
[2:25:53]
>> Any fantastic. Yeah, thank you. Any
[2:25:55]
questions the board or
[2:25:57]
>> Well, I hope so after
[2:26:00]
having you.
[2:26:01]
>> Sure.
[2:26:01]
>> Great. I uh which again I apologize for.
[2:26:04]
>> No, it's all right.
[2:26:04]
>> Um but it's great to hear that
[2:26:06]
everything's on schedule and seems to be
[2:26:08]
going smoothly.
[2:26:09]
>> It it is. Yes. And you know, we'll do a
[2:26:12]
lot more uh public outreach as we get
[2:26:14]
closer um to sending out preliminary
[2:26:17]
value notices. And just a little, you
[2:26:20]
know, I'll take the time now, a little
[2:26:21]
precursor. when we send out those
[2:26:23]
preliminary value notices, that's when
[2:26:25]
we get that the largest emotional
[2:26:28]
response, right? There's going to be a
[2:26:30]
bit of a shock factor. Um, you know,
[2:26:32]
good deal of time uh 20 20 almost 20
[2:26:36]
plus years since the last reappraisal.
[2:26:39]
So, right 20 or 2010 2010, I'm sorry, I
[2:26:42]
was confusing Rutland City. Um, so even
[2:26:45]
still 2010, 17 years in between
[2:26:47]
reappraisals, that's a that's a large
[2:26:49]
interval. So, um, you know, there's
[2:26:52]
going to be consistent increases of
[2:26:53]
value that we're seeing throughout the
[2:26:55]
state, uh, doing reappraisals. Um, and
[2:26:57]
again, just educating folks that there
[2:27:00]
will be an average percent of increase,
[2:27:02]
that will really dictate that'll be your
[2:27:04]
hinge as to whether your taxes will go
[2:27:06]
up or down. Um, and that if your
[2:27:09]
assessment increases by 100%. That does
[2:27:12]
not mean your taxes are doubling. Right?
[2:27:15]
So there's a the really um educating the
[2:27:18]
difference between assessed value and
[2:27:20]
taxes, you know, rendered on that value
[2:27:23]
and how tax rates then are adjusted as a
[2:27:25]
result of the new gr of your new grand
[2:27:26]
list value and correcting the CLA. So we
[2:27:30]
have a lot of I have a lot of good
[2:27:31]
documentation that we'll be pushing onto
[2:27:33]
the website um and getting that out
[2:27:35]
prior to notices. Once notices come out,
[2:27:38]
we can um all get together and um
[2:27:41]
strategize on a response. My go-to would
[2:27:45]
to be just to have a public uh Q&A
[2:27:47]
forum,
[2:27:48]
>> you know, right after. Well, that's been
[2:27:50]
very successful because those notices
[2:27:52]
will get everybody's attention. Um and
[2:27:55]
then we'll have really good um there'll
[2:27:59]
be really good attendance at that Q&A.
[2:28:01]
Trust me. Yeah. So, you may want to if
[2:28:03]
your Zoom cuts off at 100, um definitely
[2:28:06]
you're going to want to extend that
[2:28:07]
potentially for that meeting. um because
[2:28:10]
the last two Dover in Lello we got cut
[2:28:12]
off. Um also suggest recording it and
[2:28:15]
then we can put it back up on the
[2:28:16]
website so that you know folks that
[2:28:19]
haven't um maybe didn't get the
[2:28:20]
opportunity or if the Zoom does cut off
[2:28:22]
get cut off um the recording will be
[2:28:24]
there um for folks to be able to digest
[2:28:27]
and then we'll go into scheduling for
[2:28:29]
our informal hearings where we'll sit
[2:28:31]
down individually with everybody that
[2:28:33]
wants to come in and speak with us.
[2:28:35]
>> Great. Thank you.
[2:28:36]
>> Yeah. And um apologies if you addressed
[2:28:40]
this already, but if the reappraisal
[2:28:43]
crosses tax years, nobody gets
[2:28:47]
the entire reappraisal happens at the
[2:28:49]
end when it's all complete. Right. So if
[2:28:51]
you do my house first, I'm not going to
[2:28:53]
have an extra year being
[2:28:54]
>> correct. Yeah. Every every value will be
[2:28:57]
uh reissued all at the same time. All
[2:28:59]
will then be filed for the 2027
[2:29:02]
um grand list. We'll be filing your
[2:29:04]
abstract grand list.
[2:29:05]
>> Fantastic. um members of the board with
[2:29:08]
questions and there is no obligation to
[2:29:11]
ask just because I said so.
[2:29:13]
Amanda.
[2:29:14]
>> Um, so this is for residential homes and businesses, correct?
[2:29:20]
>> Every part every parcel in your
[2:29:22]
community,
[2:29:23]
>> vacant land,
[2:29:24]
>> farmland,
[2:29:25]
>> exempt properties, farmland, residential
[2:29:27]
property, condos, mobile homes, and
[2:29:30]
industrial, commercial. Yep.
[2:29:31]
>> Yep.
[2:29:33]
>> Okay.
[2:29:33]
>> But not utilities.
[2:29:35]
Um we we will facilitate the utilities
[2:29:38]
the values getting to where they need to
[2:29:39]
go but those do come from the state uh
[2:29:41]
tax department at this point. Yeah.
[2:29:44]
>> And in terms of calculations with the
[2:29:46]
Vermont current use program um
[2:29:49]
>> that all happens through our listers
[2:29:51]
office once the calculation happens at a
[2:29:53]
state level right you regardless of what
[2:29:56]
the appraisal is.
[2:29:58]
>> Correct. So all land will be valued the
[2:30:00]
same. All land will be valued the same
[2:30:02]
regardless of its enrollment in current
[2:30:04]
use or not. current use comes downstream
[2:30:06]
and whatever that their enrolled um land
[2:30:10]
value is will then be you know adjusted
[2:30:13]
by that state per acre uh taxable value
[2:30:16]
that they set every year. So whether
[2:30:18]
you're in forestry or a so all that will
[2:30:20]
happen the same as it has been happening
[2:30:22]
there'll just be um new values new base
[2:30:26]
values of which that subsidy will then
[2:30:27]
be um you know being factored off of.
[2:30:32]
>> Great. Thank you Amanda. Other
[2:30:33]
questions?
[2:30:35]
>> Yes. No.
[2:30:36]
>> Um I have one that's
[2:30:40]
more for personal curiosity. Um I I just
[2:30:43]
I live in an apartment downtown. Um
[2:30:46]
>> and it's this is like a residential
[2:30:47]
building. It's not a high-rise, but did
[2:30:50]
like do the cards get sent out to the
[2:30:52]
property owners? Because I don't think
[2:30:53]
we've ever we had anybody like knock on
[2:30:55]
our doors, ask to come in or anything.
[2:30:58]
>> Yep. So, we do send everything to the
[2:31:00]
property owners because those are the
[2:31:01]
addresses we have on file. In the
[2:31:03]
letters that we send to them, we do make
[2:31:06]
them aware that they need to make their
[2:31:07]
tenants aware of the process um and
[2:31:10]
schedule appointments with us. But when
[2:31:12]
multi-tenant buildings, so if you are we
[2:31:15]
those will be done last with commercial
[2:31:18]
if you are in a uh you know in a
[2:31:20]
building greater than four units, but we
[2:31:22]
will be reclassifying some as we go. Um,
[2:31:25]
so but yeah, we typically when we do
[2:31:28]
multi multi-tenant homes, we'll try to
[2:31:30]
knock on a door that looks like it's
[2:31:33]
going to get an answer and just
[2:31:35]
basically make our presence known. um
[2:31:38]
leave a tag at that door, you know. And
[2:31:41]
basically we really though on
[2:31:43]
multi-tenant buildings count on the um
[2:31:47]
homeowner, the property owner relaying
[2:31:51]
this process to their tenants because
[2:31:53]
again the municipality in no way has any
[2:31:57]
record of like tenants in buildings for
[2:31:59]
us to send you notification. Um but we
[2:32:02]
can definitely do things like this, you
[2:32:04]
know, blast it out on the on the
[2:32:06]
website. um you know, you see the guys
[2:32:08]
walking around town. Um so, you know,
[2:32:10]
again, we kind of become, you know, oh
[2:32:12]
yeah, we've been watching you work down
[2:32:14]
the street. You know, we saw you coming
[2:32:16]
type of thing. And we won't go in any
[2:32:19]
multi-tenant any of the units without
[2:32:20]
the owner's permission. Um and then
[2:32:23]
obviously giving tenants 48 hours notice
[2:32:25]
prior to any interior inspection
[2:32:28]
>> as well. Yeah.
[2:32:29]
>> I I was at the meeting that you came to
[2:32:31]
on November 20th, which was really
[2:32:32]
thorough and helpful. It was it was
[2:32:34]
largely curiosity because I was like I
[2:32:36]
don't think we got any knocks.
[2:32:37]
>> Um but
[2:32:38]
>> you may you might not have you might not
[2:32:40]
have. Yeah. Sometimes the guys will
[2:32:41]
again they'll kind of we get we kind of
[2:32:43]
train them to pick the door that looks
[2:32:45]
like we're going to get an answer from
[2:32:47]
or has the most activity. We're not
[2:32:49]
likely going to walk up on second or
[2:32:51]
third story you know exterior egresses.
[2:32:54]
Um you know unless it's unless it's
[2:32:55]
absolutely necessary. So, as well as
[2:32:57]
going out and collecting data and being
[2:32:59]
thorough, we always try to mitigate risk
[2:33:01]
as well of our of our staff in the
[2:33:04]
field.
[2:33:04]
>> Thank you. Um, and then I was just
[2:33:06]
looking at the notes I took from the
[2:33:09]
last time you guys came around and so
[2:33:11]
the informal sitdowns that you just
[2:33:13]
referenced or that said you had said
[2:33:16]
that informational hearings would be
[2:33:18]
offered ahead of the appeals process.
[2:33:21]
Um, and I have written down so there
[2:33:22]
will be three levels instead of four
[2:33:24]
levels of appeal. But the informational
[2:33:26]
hearing is what we're talking about like
[2:33:27]
a Zoom Q&A.
[2:33:29]
>> Well, so the I would even say like the
[2:33:31]
Zoom Q&A would be ahead of those
[2:33:33]
informational hearings where we do the
[2:33:35]
direct sitdowns. So that's really to
[2:33:38]
kind of um absorb again like and I say
[2:33:41]
it this way very specifically the
[2:33:43]
emotional response from those initial
[2:33:45]
letters. My assessment went from 110,000
[2:33:49]
to 350,000.
[2:33:51]
Right? What does this mean? Now this
[2:33:52]
information's been out there. we'll get
[2:33:54]
it out there more but be able to answer
[2:33:56]
those questions with the actual
[2:33:58]
statistics the result of the
[2:34:00]
reappraisal. So with knowing what the
[2:34:02]
average percent change is. So and again
[2:34:04]
because that is really the benchmark as
[2:34:06]
to whether or not your taxes will go up
[2:34:09]
down or stay the same is if the average
[2:34:11]
percent of change or the grand list
[2:34:13]
change is plus 70% plus 90% and you go
[2:34:17]
up at that rate you're going up with the
[2:34:21]
average. So, your slice of the pie has
[2:34:23]
stayed the same, right? If you go up
[2:34:26]
20%, the reappraisal was for you. Your
[2:34:29]
value was already either overstated or
[2:34:32]
you had far lesser of a gap between your
[2:34:34]
assessment and market value. If your
[2:34:36]
value goes up, if the average was 70 90%
[2:34:39]
and you go up 200%, your taxes will go
[2:34:42]
up. And that's why we do reappraisal is
[2:34:45]
for that equalization, right? So again,
[2:34:48]
there's there's no it's it's math when
[2:34:50]
it comes to that, but correcting the CLA
[2:34:53]
will be is always to me the biggest
[2:34:56]
benefit to a community because the CLA
[2:34:59]
when it the CLA affects your assessment
[2:35:01]
and creates that equalized educational
[2:35:04]
um tax value.
[2:35:06]
>> What you say with CLA again?
[2:35:08]
>> Common level of appraisal. So that's the
[2:35:10]
statistic of accuracy that the state
[2:35:12]
uses um in between reappraisal to adjust
[2:35:15]
your town's grand list to the
[2:35:17]
educational grand list to maintain
[2:35:18]
equity town to town throughout the
[2:35:20]
state. So they'll look at how far off
[2:35:23]
are your sale prices from your current
[2:35:24]
assessments and they'll take an average
[2:35:26]
of all those ratios and then they'll
[2:35:29]
adjust everybody's assessment by that
[2:35:32]
percentage in Brattleboro and then the t
[2:35:34]
the educational tax rates apply to that
[2:35:36]
value. So that's so when you have those
[2:35:40]
umbrella style adjustments that's very
[2:35:42]
regressive. It's not it it really it
[2:35:46]
typically is going to overvalue the
[2:35:49]
lesser valued properties and it's not
[2:35:51]
going to increase the value enough of
[2:35:53]
the higher valued properties to get that
[2:35:55]
two that true equalization that we are
[2:35:58]
going to be getting through the
[2:35:59]
reappraisal process.
[2:36:02]
>> Great. Thank you. And I just want to
[2:36:04]
confirm because people ask me about this
[2:36:06]
or they like you said they have
[2:36:08]
emotional fears ahead of time. Um but
[2:36:10]
what I had taken down back in November
[2:36:13]
was the three kind of main actual like
[2:36:17]
uh
[2:36:18]
relevant appeal points are my assessment
[2:36:21]
does not equal fair market value based
[2:36:23]
on these comparable sales in the area.
[2:36:25]
My current assessment is not equitable
[2:36:27]
based on similar properties or there are
[2:36:29]
mistakes that are incorrect facts on
[2:36:31]
like the town record card. Yep.
[2:36:33]
>> Yeah. Those are kind of the three
[2:36:34]
basises and then opinions outside of
[2:36:36]
that are much less likely to hold water.
[2:36:38]
>> Well, so I mean it's something if if
[2:36:40]
we're having in an informal hearing or
[2:36:42]
even a formal grievance about your
[2:36:43]
assessed value and the conversation is
[2:36:46]
more of like a philosophical
[2:36:48]
conversation about taxation. I can't
[2:36:51]
help you. Help me help you. Right? Give
[2:36:53]
me something about your house. Is your
[2:36:55]
foundation cracked? Is do you think your
[2:36:57]
values way out of water? Do you have
[2:36:59]
covenant restrictions? you know, things
[2:37:01]
that would actually affect your
[2:37:02]
assessment. And that's what we try to
[2:37:04]
educate to guide people to because we
[2:37:06]
set up these 15inute appointments and we
[2:37:09]
typically take the time that it needs um
[2:37:11]
because we we run we'll be running
[2:37:13]
probably five six stations. Um we want
[2:37:16]
those 15 minutes to be as productive
[2:37:18]
with the taxpayer as possible. So we may
[2:37:21]
let them vent for three, five minutes,
[2:37:23]
right? You know, like get it out. That's
[2:37:25]
fine. But then we definitely want to try
[2:37:27]
to redirect the conversation to having a
[2:37:29]
meaning meaningful one so that I can get
[2:37:32]
extract information from the taxpayer as
[2:37:34]
to reasons why their assessment should
[2:37:36]
be changed or why we might be wrong or
[2:37:38]
you know so on so forth. But um you know
[2:37:41]
it is it is real tough you know and this
[2:37:43]
is typically gets down the line like
[2:37:45]
board of civil authority appeals and
[2:37:46]
stuff when you kind of have you know
[2:37:48]
grandstanding you know you hear to talk
[2:37:50]
about an assessment but really we're
[2:37:52]
grandstanding about you know overall
[2:37:54]
taxation educational act 60 this that
[2:37:57]
the other beginning middle and end of my
[2:37:59]
job is fair market value for every
[2:38:01]
parcel in your community beginning
[2:38:03]
middle and end of my job is that so
[2:38:05]
that's what we want to just direct
[2:38:06]
people to speak to us about I'll have
[2:38:09]
those philosophical conversations with
[2:38:11]
you and we could probably get really
[2:38:13]
deep in the weeds, but it's just when we have that time, we want to make
[2:38:17]
it as productive as possible for for the
[2:38:19]
taxpayer.
[2:38:20]
>> Thank you.
[2:38:21]
>> Yeah. Great. Thank you. Other questions
[2:38:23]
from the board?
[2:38:25]
>> So, I'm seeing on the town website,
[2:38:27]
rattlero.gov reappraisal, there's really
[2:38:30]
helpful information um with a list of a
[2:38:33]
whole bunch of questions and answers.
[2:38:36]
One question that I have is if somebody
[2:38:38]
missed, you know, they got a letter or
[2:38:41]
they talked to someone and then they
[2:38:42]
lost the card, how do they take how are
[2:38:46]
they how can they be proactive in terms
[2:38:48]
of making an appointment? Do they have
[2:38:49]
to call the assessor's office?
[2:38:51]
>> Yeah, they can reach out to the
[2:38:52]
assessor's office and we can schedule an
[2:38:54]
appointment. Um the other thing that
[2:38:56]
will be happening this winter um is when
[2:38:58]
we finish all the residential initial
[2:39:00]
listing, we're going to send out
[2:39:02]
reinspection letters to everybody whose
[2:39:04]
homes we haven't been able to um get
[2:39:06]
entry to or we've or we haven't been
[2:39:08]
able to gain access to to kind of give
[2:39:10]
them that one last chance to schedule an
[2:39:12]
appointment. And those typically that
[2:39:14]
typically reads like we're sorry if
[2:39:16]
we've been trying to schedule
[2:39:17]
appointment up to this date and it
[2:39:18]
hasn't worked, you know. So, we'll have,
[2:39:20]
you know, full weeks of appointment
[2:39:22]
schedules available to folks at the end
[2:39:24]
to kind of wrap up that interior
[2:39:26]
inspection process for the residential
[2:39:28]
property. So, they'll get multiple
[2:39:30]
letter. They'll So, you get the initial
[2:39:32]
uh impact letter, you'll get the door
[2:39:34]
tag, and then you'll get a third um
[2:39:37]
follow-up letter if the um if we haven't
[2:39:40]
done an inspection on the home.
[2:39:42]
>> Which month was that again?
[2:39:45]
>> For the uh reinspection, the final
[2:39:47]
letter. So, that is kind of always a
[2:39:48]
moving target, but it'll likely be, I
[2:39:50]
would say, by the end of January would
[2:39:52]
be my goal to get those out so we can do
[2:39:54]
inspections through February.
[2:39:56]
>> Okay. Thanks.
[2:39:57]
>> Yep.
[2:39:59]
>> I have one question. Um,
[2:40:01]
>> are you assessing vacant um buildings or
[2:40:05]
buildings that are like in probate or
[2:40:07]
something that are in kind of a no man's
[2:40:09]
land?
[2:40:09]
>> Everything.
[2:40:10]
>> Every single parcel.
[2:40:11]
If you have four,
[2:40:12]
you have 45,568
[2:40:15]
parcels.
[2:40:16]
every single one.
[2:40:18]
>> A lot of work.
[2:40:19]
>> Yep.
[2:40:21]
>> Any other questions or comments from the
[2:40:22]
board, from the public?
[2:40:27]
>> Okay, seeing none, thank you so much for
[2:40:29]
waiting and for the presentation.
[2:40:30]
>> Yeah, you're welcome.
[2:40:31]
>> And we look forward to talking again.
[2:40:33]
Thanks, Jennifer.
[2:40:37]
» All right, we are down to the final page
[2:40:38]
in the packet. John, tell us about the
[2:40:41]
budget process. All right. Um,
[2:40:45]
so yeah, we uh put together the we've
[2:40:48]
actually been working on the budget for
[2:40:50]
fiscal year 28 already quite a bit. Um,
[2:40:54]
>> I I see Sarah Rose would you looking to
[2:40:58]
join us?
[2:40:58]
>> No, if you were still here,
[2:41:00]
>> please join us.
[2:41:01]
>> Okay,
[2:41:02]
>> this will probably be brief, but
[2:41:05]
>> um
[2:41:06]
>> we're already working on the budget is
[2:41:09]
what John was just saying.
[2:41:10]
>> Take it away.
[2:41:11]
>> Okay. Um, we're piggybacking on what
[2:41:14]
worked last year, what I hear worked
[2:41:16]
last year, which is that we're using
[2:41:18]
open gov for the budget process so we
[2:41:20]
can do some granular work into employee
[2:41:22]
costs um, and other granular work as
[2:41:25]
well. Um, and we're also making sure
[2:41:28]
that the department heads and the
[2:41:29]
departments are in on the ground floor
[2:41:30]
and so they're doing a lot of digging
[2:41:33]
right now and a lot of really rigorous
[2:41:34]
thought about what um, what goes into
[2:41:37]
the budget. Um, so if you look down at
[2:41:41]
the schedule, we're already in the prep
[2:41:43]
phase. Um, we're proposing that John
[2:41:46]
does his first presentation to you on
[2:41:48]
November 5. And then on November 10, uh,
[2:41:52]
we'd like to do an all day retreat and
[2:41:55]
give the department heads the
[2:41:56]
opportunity to present to you all at one
[2:41:59]
backtoback. So you have the day and uh
[2:42:03]
the ability to really look at the
[2:42:05]
departments all at the same time and ask
[2:42:06]
your questions. Um and then public
[2:42:10]
comment, the first day for that would be
[2:42:11]
December 1st.
[2:42:16]
» Great.
[2:42:16]
>> That's what I got.
[2:42:17]
>> Yep.
[2:42:18]
>> Thank you. And today is the 15th, but it
[2:42:23]
sounds like department heads are
[2:42:25]
probably already in it at this point.
[2:42:27]
>> They are. Yeah.
[2:42:28]
>> Okay,
[2:42:29]
great. Well, there's a sample motion and
[2:42:32]
if anyone would care to make it, it
[2:42:34]
would be good to start with it and then
[2:42:35]
we can have any other discussion we
[2:42:37]
like.
[2:42:40]
» I can make the motion.
[2:42:43]
Um, sure.
[2:42:44]
>> I move to adopt the fiscal year 28
[2:42:47]
budget development schedule and process
[2:42:49]
as presented.
[2:42:50]
>> Great. Amanda has moved to adopt the
[2:42:52]
FY28 budget development schedule and
[2:42:55]
process as presented.
[2:42:58]
So discussion by the board. Um my only
[2:43:01]
comment is that I I think it makes sense
[2:43:03]
as a structure, but of course if we get
[2:43:06]
down to it and we need more meetings or
[2:43:08]
we need to adjust on the fly, we'll
[2:43:11]
certainly have the flexibility to do
[2:43:13]
that. Um but other than that, I think
[2:43:16]
it's a sensible structure. Other
[2:43:19]
comments by the board?
[2:43:22]
Um
[2:43:24]
I don't know if I'm just being confused,
[2:43:26]
but are we switching to a Thursday like
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oh
[2:43:30]
>> November election?
[2:43:31]
>> Yeah. Um that hasn't been determined
[2:43:33]
yet, but uh the your first meeting in
[2:43:36]
November is uh on election day and
[2:43:40]
normally the agenda committee will shift
[2:43:41]
that out to the Thursday, but it hasn't
[2:43:43]
been decided.
[2:43:44]
>> Yeah.
[2:43:49]
other comments.
[2:43:53]
» Oh,
[2:43:53]
>> Amanda and then Isaac.
[2:43:54]
>> Oh, I just want to say thank you for the
[2:43:56]
thoughtful layout um and learning about
[2:43:59]
this this early and thank you. I think
[2:44:02]
it's um it's just great sometimes just
[2:44:04]
setting the road map and let's go is the
[2:44:07]
way to go. So, appreciate that,
[2:44:10]
>> Isaac. Yeah, it incorporates feedback
[2:44:13]
from past years and I appreciate seeing
[2:44:16]
that reflected. Um, yeah, I could bring up the point from earlier
[2:44:22]
that I expressed very passionately about
[2:44:24]
having an opportunity to talk about
[2:44:26]
finances overall and this unassigned
[2:44:29]
fund balance and all that.
[2:44:30]
>> Um, do we want to finish this
[2:44:33]
conversation and then talk
[2:44:36]
>> I think if we want to add something to
[2:44:38]
the schedule, now is the time. Um,
[2:44:40]
>> I I' I'd love to see a conversation
[2:44:42]
about that before this.
[2:44:46]
>> Well,
[2:44:46]
>> so before we see a draft budget,
[2:44:49]
>> right?
[2:44:50]
Right.
[2:44:52]
>> And do you
[2:44:54]
are you picturing something like a
[2:44:58]
I'm I'm struggling a little to imagine
[2:45:00]
an entire meeting dedicated to these
[2:45:02]
topics? Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but I
[2:45:05]
feel like on a lot of these issues,
[2:45:08]
my thoughts will come down to I agree we
[2:45:11]
need to get the fund balance up.
[2:45:13]
There is a solution to do it, which is
[2:45:15]
to put a million dollars into the fund
[2:45:16]
balance, but I'm not sure the taxpayers
[2:45:20]
can bear that right now. So, I'm just
[2:45:22]
wondering,
[2:45:24]
does this make more sense as a dedicated
[2:45:26]
agenda item somewhere in October that
[2:45:29]
gets 45 minutes at a meeting or
[2:45:35]
» and John? Yes,
[2:45:36]
>> I mean, um, we we got quite a bit of
[2:45:38]
direction from you at your retreat
[2:45:40]
earlier this year. Uh, and you know, so
[2:45:44]
we're focused on that 4%. Um, we're also
[2:45:48]
focused on your long-term goal of
[2:45:50]
increasing the fund balance, which I
[2:45:54]
mean, if it's looking like we're at
[2:45:56]
about 5% here, which was a a lot bigger
[2:46:00]
jump than I thought we were going to
[2:46:01]
make in fiscal year 26. So, I mean,
[2:46:04]
that's very encouraging. We've gone from
[2:46:05]
2% to 5%. I think we could notch it up a
[2:46:09]
little bit more and probably get close
[2:46:10]
to 10% by fiscal 29. Um, you also could
[2:46:15]
of course solve it anytime you want
[2:46:18]
using revolving loan fund or something
[2:46:19]
like that if you wanted to do that. Um,
[2:46:22]
but you know that's a that's an issue.
[2:46:25]
You could have a conversation about
[2:46:26]
that, but you you may not want to do
[2:46:28]
that either. So,
[2:46:30]
>> right. Um, and you were also, it sounded
[2:46:33]
like talking about just the opportunity
[2:46:35]
to talk more generally about some of
[2:46:37]
these topics, right?
[2:46:39]
>> Yeah. like like one of the like the idea
[2:46:41]
of having a designated
[2:46:44]
emergency reserve fund that's not
[2:46:46]
>> the unassigned but you know having a
[2:46:49]
separate account or just like to be able
[2:46:50]
to discuss that publicly
[2:46:52]
>> as a as a group and I'm happy to do it
[2:46:55]
at here at this table or we can sit in a
[2:46:57]
circle at another time. I'm really what
[2:47:00]
I think the the point is that like I
[2:47:02]
like this format where we're just kind
[2:47:04]
of talking back and forth. I think it's
[2:47:06]
conducive to having um conversations
[2:47:10]
about this this topic.
[2:47:13]
>> I'm open to that. I think if we were to
[2:47:15]
do that, I would want us to come really
[2:47:19]
each of us to come really prepared with
[2:47:21]
the things we wanted to get into and not
[2:47:24]
just sort of
[2:47:26]
um I don't know if if we're going to
[2:47:28]
talk about these things, I'd want us to
[2:47:33]
Yeah. get fairly serious about them. Um
[2:47:38]
I to me this feels like something that
[2:47:40]
makes more sense at a regular meeting
[2:47:41]
rather than a standalone thing. Um I
[2:47:45]
think even 30 or 45 minutes of
[2:47:48]
unstructured discussion like this on
[2:47:50]
these types of topics and people getting
[2:47:52]
to air ideas and concerns would be
[2:47:56]
pretty substantial. I think would feel
[2:47:58]
pretty substantial at the time. Um,
[2:48:02]
if the board wants to go ahead with
[2:48:03]
something like that, we can tentatively.
[2:48:07]
>> That works for me. I'm I'm curious to
[2:48:09]
hear when you said you're it sounded
[2:48:11]
like there was some concern about people
[2:48:13]
coming prepared with proposals and I
[2:48:15]
just was curious about that cuz I think
[2:48:18]
part of actually the like what happened
[2:48:20]
at the select board retreat is we
[2:48:22]
actually have had we didn't necessarily
[2:48:24]
come with a fully formed proposal but it
[2:48:26]
was more of a chance to hear each other
[2:48:28]
and
[2:48:30]
>> together arrive at some things. So I
[2:48:31]
just wanted to hear more about what
[2:48:32]
you're trying to get out. No, I I
[2:48:36]
might not be a fully
[2:48:38]
formed thought yet, so never mind that.
[2:48:40]
Um,
[2:48:41]
>> and what I'm hearing and also just from
[2:48:43]
this meeting and public comment was a a
[2:48:46]
desire to have a discussion at least
[2:48:48]
about this concept of a reserve fund
[2:48:50]
that's separate that's separate that
[2:48:53]
keeps coming up and up again. Um and
[2:48:56]
then also um the parking enterprise fund
[2:49:00]
to actually open that up as a agenda
[2:49:02]
item. That's not necessarily just a
[2:49:04]
budget, but that's
[2:49:07]
um
[2:49:08]
you know, you know, to welcome us as the
[2:49:12]
board, the public, you know, what are
[2:49:13]
the light bulbs that go off? How are we
[2:49:14]
going to solve this issue?
[2:49:16]
>> So I and I think there will be things to
[2:49:18]
be said for and against lots of these
[2:49:21]
ideas which we can talk about at the
[2:49:23]
time. It sound okay. So it sounds to me
[2:49:25]
like what we're talking about is I would
[2:49:27]
say two separate agenda items that we
[2:49:29]
try to fit in in October. One is a
[2:49:31]
general discussion of sort of the
[2:49:34]
financial suggestions that we've I think
[2:49:38]
sort of been accumulating over the last
[2:49:39]
6 months from members of the public and
[2:49:41]
things we've talked about. That's one.
[2:49:43]
And then the other is maybe a more
[2:49:45]
general discussion of the parking fund.
[2:49:47]
Does that sound like it hits
[2:49:51]
what we're talking about here?
[2:49:54]
you you have quite full uh agendas with
[2:49:58]
the town plan and everything else coming
[2:50:00]
up at your next two meetings in October.
[2:50:03]
So I think you may be talking about a
[2:50:05]
separate meeting here. I'm not sure, but
[2:50:08]
um there's a lot on your plate in
[2:50:10]
October.
[2:50:11]
>> And also I would say that if we're going
[2:50:14]
to talk about things like restructuring
[2:50:15]
the budget or creating new funds or
[2:50:17]
things like that, we may want to slide
[2:50:19]
out um these dates a bit. Um, so like
[2:50:23]
maybe because if you know say we
[2:50:25]
couldn't get uh you know a meeting on
[2:50:29]
this until uh like October
[2:50:33]
uh and just assuming we can get the
[2:50:35]
everything. But if we did like October
[2:50:37]
13th the um Tuesday between your two
[2:50:42]
October meetings then if we were to make
[2:50:45]
you know I'm we're really trying to get
[2:50:47]
this budget put together by the 23rd. So
[2:50:51]
to make any significant changes there, I
[2:50:53]
think like I mean I'm really pushing
[2:50:56]
people here, but um you know we could
[2:51:00]
look at sliding all these out at least
[2:51:02]
one one um select board meeting date and
[2:51:07]
be try try to get our work done by
[2:51:10]
January. But that cuts off a lot of your
[2:51:12]
um ability to uh make adjustments uh
[2:51:15]
when we know what the numbers are.
[2:51:18]
I'm not trying to I'm not trying to
[2:51:19]
delay the the budgeting process. So, I'd
[2:51:23]
say, you know,
[2:51:24]
>> that's but that's what I would recommend
[2:51:25]
if if we're going to get into major, you
[2:51:28]
know, structural changes or anything
[2:51:30]
like that.
[2:51:30]
>> I don't Yes. And I think
[2:51:34]
yeah, I I think certainly if we started
[2:51:36]
if we had that conversation, started
[2:51:38]
moving in directions like that, this
[2:51:40]
schedule would have to change. Um, I
[2:51:42]
think it's entirely possible that we
[2:51:45]
spend 45 minutes on each topic and come
[2:51:48]
away feeling like there are some ideas
[2:51:50]
here, maybe not for this year's budget,
[2:51:53]
maybe for next year's or something. But,
[2:51:56]
um, so I don't think having this
[2:51:58]
conversation means big changes. Um but
[2:52:03]
well
[2:52:06]
I based on what I'm hearing I think we
[2:52:09]
can my feeling is we can approve this
[2:52:12]
schedule for the actual budget
[2:52:14]
development and then Amanda and I can
[2:52:17]
work to fit these into October and see
[2:52:21]
what we can do and at least we can come
[2:52:24]
back to the board at the next meeting
[2:52:25]
and say we didn't we couldn't find a way
[2:52:27]
to easily do it. What do you guys want
[2:52:28]
to do worst case? um and that we
[2:52:32]
prioritize
[2:52:34]
the sort of general financial discussion
[2:52:37]
because it's a little more timely. Does
[2:52:39]
that sounds palatable? No.
[2:52:42]
>> Um I was going to note that we do while
[2:52:45]
there's a lot to talk about in the
[2:52:47]
parking fund, we do have a longer
[2:52:49]
timeline on that,
[2:52:50]
>> right?
[2:52:50]
>> Like it doesn't have to happen before
[2:52:52]
January. It doesn't have to be ready to
[2:52:54]
go with the general fund budget.
[2:52:56]
>> I agree. Um, and I also do think that a
[2:53:01]
I guess retreat style or just like
[2:53:04]
working group style meeting of the
[2:53:06]
select board that I think that would be
[2:53:09]
more productive for this kind of topic.
[2:53:11]
And I my interpretation is that some of
[2:53:14]
the value of these meetings would be
[2:53:17]
such that this regular select board
[2:53:19]
meetings can be more productive because
[2:53:21]
the board is on the same page
[2:53:24]
um with each other and with staff
[2:53:26]
because there's a lot of there's a lot
[2:53:28]
of parsing through and making sure the
[2:53:31]
understandings are the same that I think
[2:53:32]
delay some of the conversations at
[2:53:34]
regular meetings too. John. Um I I mean
[2:53:38]
yeah on the parking fund point I I mean
[2:53:40]
if you're talking about bringing any any
[2:53:43]
uh part of the parking fund into the
[2:53:45]
general fund, we need to know like soon.
[2:53:48]
Um
[2:53:49]
>> yes,
[2:53:49]
>> because we're working really hard on on
[2:53:52]
uh that budget, not general fund.
[2:53:54]
>> Would that be if if a lease was
[2:53:56]
entertained, would that be included in
[2:53:59]
that? I'm not pretty.
[2:54:00]
>> So I I'm sorry. I think we may be
[2:54:02]
starting to stray again understandably.
[2:54:05]
But um as far as the process and
[2:54:10]
possibly scheduling some of these other
[2:54:11]
topics,
[2:54:13]
how does the board feel about moving
[2:54:15]
forward with the process, the motion
[2:54:16]
that's on the table, and then we try to
[2:54:19]
schedule the finance topic in October
[2:54:23]
and report back and then parking maybe
[2:54:25]
can be on a little longer leash. Does
[2:54:28]
that sound all right? Yeah.
[2:54:30]
>> Okay. Let me make some notes. But in the
[2:54:32]
meantime,
[2:54:34]
Amanda, is your motion?
[2:54:35]
>> Yes.
[2:54:36]
>> Okay. Amanda has moved to adopt the Oh,
[2:54:39]
sorry. Members of the public with a
[2:54:41]
comment or question.
[2:54:44]
>> Okay. Amanda has moved to adopt the FY28
[2:54:47]
budget development schedule and process
[2:54:48]
as presented. All in favor, please say
[2:54:51]
I.
[2:54:52]
>> Aries is 5.
[2:54:55]
>> Thank you, Sarah Rose, for staying till
[2:54:56]
the end. Um, final motion. Somebody
[2:54:59]
>> I move to adjourn.
[2:55:00]
>> All in favor?
[2:55:02]
>> I
[2:55:03]
>> 50. All right. Thank you everyone. Seth,
[2:55:06]
John, BCTV,
[2:55:08]
>> Heidi, Ivan, and Select.
[2:55:11]
>> What am I writing? I'm writing.
[2:55:15]
>> Oh, I have my microphone off the whole
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time.
[2:55:17]
>> Really?
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>> Oh, you have a toggle
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>> at the Yeah. At the end.