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Good evening and welcome to the Brockton
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Public School Committee meeting. Today
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is Tuesday, October 6, 2026. It's
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currently 700 p.m. and we are gathered
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at the George Rumlow Theater at Brockton
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High School 470 forest staff Brockton,
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Massachusetts 02301.
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Dear visitors, welcome to a meeting of
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the Brockton School Committee. This is
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the agenda that will be discussed this
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evening. Please note that hearing of
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visitors is included. If you have a
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statement or question, please give your
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name to the secretary. We have some
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people that have signed up. In addition
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to attending, the public can view this
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meeting via television on Comcast
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channel 8 and 1071 HD version and online
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via this link
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wwwd.youub.youtube.com/thebroton
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channels. I do call this meeting to
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order. I'll establish a quorum. Miss
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Santeo
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>> here.
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>> Miss Oliver
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>> here.
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>> Miss Azac
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>> here.
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>> Mr. Pina
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>> here.
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>> We do have a quorum. Um, we'll move on
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to agenda item two, which is the hearing
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of visitors. I'll read the following
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into record. Pursuant to school
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committee policy, each person requesting
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to speak shall be allotted a maximum of 3 minutes since this period
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is limited to 15 minutes. A total of
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five people shall be permitted to speak
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on first come first- serve basis. Um, I
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think we have a swap. So, the first
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person to come up is Matt Stanton. Good
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evening, chair, members of the school
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committee, superintendent, and members
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of the community. I'm here tonight not
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only as a parent, an educator, and a
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taxpayer, but also as someone who has
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the priv who's had the privilege of
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serving on this very school committee
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during difficult times such as COVID,
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the George Floyd era, and a significant
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district budget crisis. Having served in
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this capacity, I understand that public
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service is not easy. Governance requires
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difficult conversations, competing
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perspectives, accountability, and at
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times uncomfortable decisions.
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Disagreement is inevitable. However,
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what should never be negotiable is
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professionalism, integrity, and a
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commitment to the students and families
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we have elected to serve. And quite
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frankly, I am concerned about what I
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have been witnessing. There appears to
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be an increasingly troubling pattern of
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institutional intimidation,
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interpersonal conflict, and the use of
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positions of authority in ways that risk
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undermining the very institution you
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were elected to serve. Let me remind
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everyone in this room. The school
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committee is not a platform for personal
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agendas, political optics, or protecting
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individual reputation. Is a governing
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body entrusted with the education and
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well-being of our city's children. Our
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students should be at the center of
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every conversation. Our families should
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be at the center of every policy
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decision. Our educators be should be
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supported in their work. And our
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community should be able to trust that
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the people elected to represent them are
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operating with professionalism, sound
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judgment, and a shared sense of
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responsibility. When the focus shifts
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for governance to personal
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disagreements, public image, political
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positioning, or undermining one another,
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we all lose. And I don't know about you
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guys, but I don't like to lose,
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especially if we're calling ourselves a
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city of champions. Most importantly, our
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students and families lose. I also want
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to address accountability at the
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individual level. I have personally
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reached out to my elected school
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committee representative through direct
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communication and text messages and have
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been met with silence. This is
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particularly disappointing given that I
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had previously invested my own time in
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providing one-on-one coaching and
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support to this individual, giving them
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my time, my talent, and my treasure. Let
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me be clear. I do not believe that
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helping someone creates an obligation
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for them to agree with me, return a
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favor, or maintain a personal
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relationship. That is not what public
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service is about. However, when someone
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is elected to represent a constituency,
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communication, accessibility are part of
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that responsibility. Constituents should
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not have to question whether their
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elected representative is willing to
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acknowledge them, respond to their
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concerns, or engage in meaningful
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dialogue. Representation is simply
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occupying. Representation
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is not simply occupying a seat at the
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table. It is understanding that you have
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been entrusted with a responsibility to
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people beyond yourself. And that brings
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me to another point.
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>> Your time is up.
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>> Next up, we have Matt Stanton.
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>> Each of these position carries an annual
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stipen of approximately $20,000 funded
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by our taxpayers. According to the
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enterprise, it consists of a $15,000
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salary and a 5,000 stipen under city
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ordinance. That is a meaningful public
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investment. With that investment comes
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an expectation of accountability, prep
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um preparation, professionalism, and an
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understanding of the responsibilities
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associated with the role. Our community
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deserves representatives who are
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qualified, emotionally intelligent,
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capable of navigating conflict, willing
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to listen, and able to distinguish
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personal feelings from professional
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obligations. We need people who
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understand governance. People who can
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disagree without resorting to
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intimidation. People who can receive
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criticism without making it personal.
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People who understand that leadership
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requires self-awareness, emotional
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regulation, humility, and the ability to
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put the mission above the individual.
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Quite frankly, I believe it is time for
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a significant change in the composition
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and culture of this school committee. I
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want to see a table where students and
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families are the priority. A table where
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difficult conversations are welcomed
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rather than suppressed. A table where
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elected officials understand their
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authority, but more importantly,
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understand the limitations and
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responsibilities that come with that
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authority. And I want to see a table
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where the community's trust is earned
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through actions, not public appearances
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or carefully managed optics. To the
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members sitting before me tonight, I
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want you to leave with a few questions.
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Are you governing in the best interest
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of our students and families? Are you
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holding yourselves to the same standards
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of accountability that you expect from
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our educators, our administrators, and
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our district employees? Are you
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accessible to the constituents who
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elected you? And when you leave this
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room, can you honestly say that your
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decisions, your conduct, and your
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leadership have advanced the interests
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of the children and families of this
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community? Because that is the
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expectation. I did not enter public
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service to protect titles, egos, or
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political relationships. And I certainly
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do not believe that anyone should enter
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public service for those reasons. Public
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office is a public trust, is not a
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personal platform, a popularity contest,
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or an entitlement. You have been
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entrusted with the voices, resources,
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and educational futures of an entire
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community. Please start governing like
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it. Our children deserve that. Our
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families deserve that. Our educators
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deserve that. And our taxpayers deserve
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that. Thank you for your time. Uh that
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concludes the hearing of visitors agenda
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item number three, the report of sup
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superintendent of schools. Welcome.
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>> Hi, my name is Raina Cannon. I'm the
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executive director of Discovering
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Justice. Um and uh I just wanted to say
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thank you for having me tonight here. Uh
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so Discovering Justice has been
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partnering with the Brockton public
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schools uh for 5 years and we launched
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in 2021 with just one school. Um, our
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program, Mock Trial in the fall and mock
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appeal in the spring, pairs students
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weekly with legal professionals to
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analyze real cases. Um, and then they
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culminate in a final event at the
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courthouse where students argue a case
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before a real judge and a jury or a
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panel of judges in the spring. Uh for
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five years um the Massachusetts Civics
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Fund covered uh nearly 100% of the
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program costs and for the first time in
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five years uh Brockton School District
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did not receive that funding for FY27.
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Obviously, we all value the partnership
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and um determined that we would keep the
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program going this year um and that we
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would uh make sure that the students
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continue to have access in the program
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which is in all seven middle schools in
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Brockton. Um you know, the school
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district really stepped up and found uh
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money for teacher spins and buses to the
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courthouse. They were covered with
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district funds. So, we really thank uh
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the district for going through that
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process. um and really working hard to
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make that happen for the students. Um
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and then Discovering Justice committed
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to continuing to fund raise for the
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program and making it sustainable over
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time. Um and so that we can rely less on
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the programming. And so in order to keep
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this program going um we are you know
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really uh tapping into the Brockton
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community for support and asking for
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their help in ensuring that this uh
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program continues for the long haul for
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students in Brockton. Uh and so you know
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what we're doing at Discovering Justice
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is that we're continuing to commit to
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Brockton public schools and um we have a
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shared commitment and a partnership. Um
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and then we are also fundraising in the
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community and writing to grants um to
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foundations and other grant sources to
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replace the lost state funding. Uh many
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of you have been to this final event.
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Many of you have seen the program with
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your own eyes. Um, I do have to say that
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I think it's an amazing uh thing to
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watch a student uh over the course of 10
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to 11 weeks really uh gain the
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confidence and the public speaking
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skills and the understanding of
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constitutional law to stand up before a
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actual judge um and a jury of volunteers
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where they will deliver a verdict um and
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they argue their case and they do a
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phenomenal job. Brockton is one of our
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best partnerships. It's one of the
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partnerships that we point to whenever
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we start in a new district. We say we
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would like this partnership to become
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like Brockton. Um and so it's a really
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important program to many people in the
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community and it's a really important
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program to discovering justice. Um and
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my ask is just that you know please uh
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keep us in mind as you think about uh
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connecting connecting with funders who
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care about Brockton students. Um we're
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really looking to connect with local
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businesses, employers, community
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foundations, civics groups, um law
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firms, bar associations, legal partners,
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um and families and alumni of the
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program. Um we have our contact
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information here. My uh co my colleague
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Sarah Gil who is our director of
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development and people are always
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welcome to uh reach out to myself as
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well. Um but we are really committed to
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continuing this work. Um and we're
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thrilled to be here this evening um
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presenting to you. So, I'm happy to take
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any questions as well.
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>> Before I open it up to the floor, I'd
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just like to say um I believe we learned
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about this program, myself and Miss
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Oliver during our second year um of our
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first term and it's one of the many
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programs that our students here in
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Brockton are participate in and it does
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uh give them the opportunity for
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exposure and networking with real
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professionals in the field. um they have
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access to, you know, courtrooms, doing
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mock trials and really working um in the
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area that they're uh interested in. Um
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recently we learned that they have been
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defunded and they're trying to work to
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maintain and keep the pro the program
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going for as long as they can and they
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also entails, you know, fundraising
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support and whatnot. Uh I'll now open it
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up to the floor if anybody has anything
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to say. It's all over there. Mr. Ina,
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>> thank you um vice chair and I do
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appreciate it um getting this on the
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agenda um so quick as soon as uh Rhonda
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let us know via email the status of
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being unfunded. I was extremely
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disappointed because this is extremely
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important for our students. Um it's a
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great program. I've been um one of the
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juries on the mock trial and just to see
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how incredible our students can put a
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legal case um in front of a judge, it
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has left me like breathtaking every
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single time because they do incredible
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job. And the fact that we are finally
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able to do every middle school to find
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out that we are not funded is kind of
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heartbreaking. So, I definitely wanted
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to bring you on today to see how we can
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support you to make sure we do not lose
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this great program. Our students deserve
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it. I think it's a great um addition to
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the after school program. I truly
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appreciate all the mentors, the um
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attorneys that basically um you know
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participate and volunteer with our
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students and really give them the
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knowledge of how to you know do a court
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system works, how the judge works, how
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to fight a legal system, not and also
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making sure our kids are not so afraid
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of the legal system to see how other
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ways they work for the people. They
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protect the people too against criminals
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and how we can better serve the
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community, not always be afraid of the
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police, the judge, and the attorney. But
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I was trying to figure out how were we
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originally funding it? Is it to like a
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grant, a federal grant, a state grant?
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How do we how do we lose it? Like how
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can we basically reapply for the grants?
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>> Yeah. So, um the Massachusetts Civics
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Fund, that's a great question. Um, and
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I'm I I am thrilled that so many folks
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in this room have um been part of this
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program as jurors and just uh shown up
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for it. So, thank you for that. Um, the program was funded through um
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something called the Massachusetts
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Civics Grant, which is about a million
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dollars that's that is distributed from
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the Department of Elementary and
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Secondary Education each year. Sometimes
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it's a little more than that. Um, but
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it's right around 1 million $1.1
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million. Um, the civics fund uh comes
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out the our the grant application comes
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out every spring. Um, and then uh
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districts find out in the summertime
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whether or not they received it. In the
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last five years, Brockton has applied
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for that grant and received the grant.
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Um, last year, last spring, we applied
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again. Everything went fine. Uh
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everything went perfectly. Um you know,
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we wrote the grant, we submitted it. Um
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and you know, I think that really what
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happened is that the priorities shifted,
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right? And so it wasn't just Brockton
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that we saw who did not receive funding
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from this. We saw actually several of
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our partner districts um uh did not
[15:00]
receive funding for this program. Um and
[15:03]
they prioritize different things. Now I
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have spoken uh with representatives at
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DESIE and they have told us that you
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know Brockton can apply again. Any
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school district that was turned down
[15:16]
this cycle can apply again. And it is um
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and it is my uh we intend to support
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that application and you know uh partner
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and you know apply again in all of the
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districts where uh we were denied
[15:30]
funding. um but I don't think it's
[15:33]
something that we can rely on moving
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forward. And so I do think that shifting
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um the funding of this program um to uh
[15:43]
other places and to find those funding
[15:46]
streams um and the more people that we
[15:49]
can you know we I think a large job we
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are a 501c3. We're a nonprofit
[15:54]
organization and so we are allowed to
[15:56]
fund raise and we always have and so I
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think the best thing um that you know
[16:01]
can be done is really if you have ideas,
[16:04]
if you have thoughts on people we should
[16:06]
connect with foundations
[16:08]
um or other funders in who you know are
[16:13]
um you know are passionate about this
[16:15]
type of work, civics education for
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students um and empowering students to
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understand and learn about the law and
[16:24]
the legal system and the judiciary. Um,
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I think we would love to speak with them
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and a warm intro goes a really long way.
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I think once people see the program and
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once people understand what's happening,
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um, they really are thrilled by the idea
[16:38]
of it. Um, but I think that, you know,
[16:41]
people are inundated with information
[16:43]
every day. And so if there's somebody or
[16:46]
something that can happen that can cut
[16:47]
through the noise a little bit um and
[16:49]
give us a warm introduction, I think
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that is one of the best things that can
[16:53]
uh that can come of this this uh this uh
[16:57]
situation.
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>> Thank you, Ron. And I appreciate um
[17:01]
giving us all the information and what
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we need to work u with. And I do think
[17:05]
that this committee definitely needs to
[17:06]
get together and have a conversation how
[17:08]
we can support the program more and how
[17:10]
we can basically get other, you know,
[17:12]
lawyers or judges from Brockton that can
[17:14]
support this program and also see if
[17:16]
they can donate. But I think this is
[17:18]
something that we do not want to lose at
[17:20]
all. I definitely don't want to lose
[17:21]
this program in the city of Brockton and
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I'm fortunate that other cities are
[17:24]
going through the same thing. But
[17:26]
hopefully we can work together and find
[17:28]
a solution to it. I appreciate um all
[17:30]
the work that everybody's been doing in
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the in the background and especially the
[17:33]
judges at the courthouse. They do
[17:35]
incredible job. They have gone and speak
[17:37]
to our students at the school. I think
[17:39]
definitely we need to work together and
[17:41]
get this done. I appreciate it. Thank
[17:42]
you.
[17:44]
>> Thank you so much.
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>> Thank you, Miss Oliver. Let the record
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reflect uh Mr. Rodriguez is here. Uh Mr.
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Pina,
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>> good evening. Um I've also uh from the
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um invitation of member Rodriguez had
[18:00]
gone to uh the event both the um the
[18:03]
appeal and the trial and and was u
[18:07]
really surprised how well some of these
[18:09]
students were able to communicate and um
[18:13]
and and get their points across and the
[18:15]
feedback they got from the judges and
[18:17]
the lawyers was great as well. I just
[18:19]
had a a few questions. Um I I see some
[18:22]
great value in this program. What is the
[18:26]
cost uh for the program on a So it looks
[18:30]
like it's broken up into two sections.
[18:32]
So each section
[18:38]
» Sorry, can you repeat that? What is the
[18:40]
cost of each program?
[18:42]
>> Yeah, the cost of the program and I it
[18:44]
seems as though it's broken into the
[18:46]
trial section and then the appeal
[18:48]
section.
[18:49]
Yeah, absolutely. So, um, and it's a
[18:53]
little bit dependent on the size of the
[18:54]
team and the size of the district
[18:56]
because there is a little bit of scale,
[18:58]
but generally it costs us about $5,000 a
[19:01]
semester per team to deliver the
[19:03]
program. And so about $10,000 covers a
[19:06]
full program year for a group of
[19:08]
students. Um, and our average team size
[19:11]
is usually about 12 to 15 students. Now,
[19:13]
Brockton usually blows that out of the
[19:15]
water. We have teams of 20 to 25
[19:17]
students. um coming into the Brockton
[19:20]
schools and it's incredibly uh it's an
[19:22]
incredibly robust number of students. Um
[19:25]
but it's about $5,000 a semester in
[19:27]
terms of real costs. Um and that
[19:30]
includes all of the you know uh
[19:32]
curriculum and the materials and um you
[19:36]
know the final event um and just making
[19:39]
sure that all the logistics are taken
[19:41]
care of. Um, and you know, our
[19:43]
curriculum is vetted by teachers. It's
[19:46]
vetted by attorneys. It's vetted by
[19:48]
judges and volunteers who really look at
[19:51]
it and say, "This is appropriate for
[19:53]
middle schoolers. It's high quality."
[19:55]
Um, and so we work really hard to make
[19:58]
sure that students are getting not just
[19:59]
like any experience, but a really high
[20:01]
quality experience um where they can
[20:04]
really thrive.
[20:05]
>> And what was the number of teams?
[20:08]
>> Uh, the number of teams in Brockton.
[20:10]
Yeah, cuz you said it was 5,000 per team
[20:12]
per semester. Semester. So, what is the
[20:15]
>> It's all all seven middle schools have a
[20:17]
team this year.
[20:19]
>> So, each middle school had eight.
[20:24]
» Is that what is that what you said? So,
[20:25]
48 teams.
[20:27]
>> So, one one team per middle school.
[20:29]
Seven teams in all.
[20:30]
>> Oh, seven teams in all. Okay. Okay.
[20:33]
>> And so, it's about 10,000 per um team
[20:36]
with everything in. So, about $70,000.
[20:38]
>> I went to Brockton. I got the math.
[20:41]
[laughter]
[20:42]
>> Um what are the what are the measurable
[20:44]
outcomes that you get from this program?
[20:48]
>> Yeah, so um the outcomes that we are
[20:52]
really tracking towards are um we want
[20:55]
to make sure that students are gaining
[20:58]
um skills and dispositions. And so the
[21:02]
skills that we're really targeting is
[21:03]
that students are improving at things
[21:06]
like public speaking, writing,
[21:08]
listening, sharing their ideas. Um, and
[21:12]
so those are all measured by surveys
[21:14]
that we deliver over the course of a
[21:18]
semester. Um, you know, and
[21:20]
observational data that we also collect
[21:22]
from teachers and legal mentors. Um and
[21:25]
then we also want to make sure that
[21:28]
students uh we also really focus on what
[21:30]
we call dispositions, civic skills and
[21:32]
civic dispositions. And so we want to
[21:35]
make sure that students are feeling um
[21:37]
like they are part of a community, that
[21:39]
they can be proud of something that
[21:41]
they've worked on, that they are maybe
[21:43]
thinking about how they can continue to
[21:46]
stay involved in civic life um and you
[21:49]
know have options for that and
[21:50]
understand that as um you know something
[21:53]
that's available to them and also a
[21:55]
responsibility of being a citizen.
[21:58]
>> And this is a afterchool program.
[22:01]
>> It is correct. It meets once a week
[22:03]
after school for about 90 minutes.
[22:06]
>> And then lastly, um when they graduate
[22:10]
or rise or whatever we call it from
[22:13]
middle school and go to the high school,
[22:15]
um is there's no CRT program, I'm sorry,
[22:19]
Cte program that um they go into. It's
[22:23]
it just ends.
[22:25]
>> We do not have a high school program
[22:27]
with Discovering Justice. There are
[22:30]
there is a statewide program that's run
[22:32]
by the bar association that many high
[22:34]
schools do participate in and I do
[22:36]
believe Brockton students actually do
[22:38]
participate in that. We also find that
[22:40]
some of our students go into other
[22:42]
similar type of programs debate model UN
[22:47]
um things like that uh that but we don't
[22:50]
continue into high school. We believe
[22:52]
that, you know, when we started this
[22:53]
program, we we chose middle school
[22:55]
because we believe that, you know, there
[22:57]
was a lot on for the older students and
[23:00]
a lot for like really young students,
[23:02]
but not a lot for those middle school
[23:03]
students. And we thought it was um
[23:05]
really important to focus in on those
[23:07]
years.
[23:09]
So, I guess the next question is to the
[23:11]
uh superintendent as to uh why not just
[23:15]
bring this inhouse and have this
[23:16]
internally and then have a CTE program
[23:19]
that goes up to the high school.
[23:21]
>> So, that's certainly something that we
[23:23]
could consider. We do have a mock trial
[23:25]
program at the high school. It's just um
[23:28]
run through I believe it's the Mass Bar.
[23:30]
Um so, we we there is a program that is
[23:34]
run. Um, as far as making it a CTE
[23:36]
pathway, that's certainly something we
[23:38]
could consider. And
[23:39]
>> as we're as we're building a new high
[23:41]
school, I believe that one of the things
[23:43]
that we want to do is maybe put a a mock
[23:46]
courtroom or something in there that
[23:50]
I I guess I'll I'll look to you up
[23:52]
there, Mr. Principal, as to some of the
[23:55]
plans for the future of uh adding to the
[23:56]
CTE program. But I think I think it's a great program. I think it's I I
[24:02]
understand that it's a it's a
[24:05]
extracurricular activity. I don't know
[24:07]
if that makes some of the kids that play
[24:09]
sports um lose the ability to
[24:12]
participate.
[24:14]
Um so I I think I would like to see it
[24:16]
brought in house and um and can and put
[24:21]
into the curriculum inside.
[24:24]
>> Good.
[24:26]
>> Miss Azac,
[24:27]
>> thank you so much. Uh, Miss Kanan. So,
[24:30]
I'm actually I've had the pleasure of
[24:32]
sitting um as a juror on some of these
[24:35]
trials over the years, and it's always
[24:37]
impressive to see our students and the
[24:41]
amount of work that goes into this. So,
[24:44]
you know, 5 years we've been partnering
[24:46]
with Discovering Justice. Um,
[24:50]
what's really impressive is 75 volunteer
[24:53]
judges. Can you just let those that are
[24:55]
listening,
[24:57]
we have 75 volunteer judges and I
[24:59]
remember um I spoke with someone a few
[25:01]
years back and the amount of time that
[25:04]
goes into this, isn't it like 90 minutes
[25:06]
a week or something or 90 minutes
[25:08]
bi-weekly? It's it's a lot of time that
[25:11]
these volunteer judges are putting into
[25:13]
this into our students and um that says
[25:17]
a lot. you know, that's an hour and a
[25:20]
half that someone is taking out of their
[25:21]
workday to sit and mentor our students
[25:24]
and and to give back to BPS. So, um,
[25:28]
same with, you know, when we look at
[25:30]
this and you break down the number and
[25:32]
you have 350 plus students. When you
[25:35]
break this down, that's 350 plus
[25:37]
students. I mean, anywhere from 200 or
[25:40]
under $200 a student that this is
[25:42]
costing for an 11 10 to an 11week
[25:44]
program. Um, but if you can can you just
[25:48]
talk a little more about the volunteers,
[25:50]
our judges, our attorneys. Um, I know
[25:53]
that there's a cost to this, but 70K
[25:55]
sounds like a lot of money, but when you
[25:57]
break it down over 350 plus, and to know
[26:00]
that a lot of our middle school, all our
[26:01]
middle schools are participating.
[26:06]
Um, so a lot of the um, middle schools
[26:09]
are part of this and thank you. And um
[26:14]
which is for those that have sat as a
[26:17]
juror, you can see it builds confidence
[26:20]
and it teaches our students um to get
[26:23]
them comfortable and to get comfortable
[26:25]
with our attorneys and the process as
[26:28]
far as like public speaking, things like
[26:30]
that. Um but can you just maybe um just
[26:33]
speak a little bit about those that are
[26:35]
volunteering that are actually take
[26:36]
these are attorneys, judges, and others
[26:39]
in our community that are taking their
[26:41]
personal time to invest in our students.
[26:44]
Um I just don't know the amount. Yeah, I
[26:45]
don't know the exact time, but I do know
[26:47]
I know it was a few years ago, a couple
[26:49]
years ago, someone had mentioned I think
[26:50]
it was like 90 hours um each session
[26:53]
that they were they were putting in out
[26:55]
of their time.
[26:56]
>> Yep. Absolutely. Um so our volunteers
[27:00]
are really amazing and the teacher
[27:03]
coordinators who are school-based who
[27:05]
also give their time are also phenomenal
[27:08]
people. Um so each session lasts about
[27:12]
90 minutes after school once a week.
[27:15]
Each semester runs about 10 to 11 weeks.
[27:18]
Um the legal mentors and the teachers
[27:22]
are there for every single session. So,
[27:24]
for every single 90minute session, they
[27:27]
are there um and they're coaching
[27:29]
students, they're working with them,
[27:32]
they're teaching them, they're listening
[27:34]
to them, they're helping them practice
[27:37]
um and doing all of that work. Um our
[27:39]
judges are uh and the judges in Brockton
[27:43]
are phenomenal and every single person
[27:45]
at the Brockton courthouse um they give
[27:47]
their time and energy to run that final
[27:50]
event. Um but also during the semester,
[27:53]
judges go and they visit the students
[27:55]
and the attorneys um a few weeks before
[27:58]
the final event. They watch them
[28:00]
practice. They talk to them about you
[28:03]
know how their journey um and uh it's a
[28:07]
really incredible thing to I think watch
[28:10]
the students be mentored with the time
[28:12]
but also build these relationships. We
[28:14]
also find that many of our students
[28:16]
actually come back year after year. So,
[28:18]
they're in the program for two, three
[28:21]
years and they develop these incredible
[28:24]
relationships with the attorneys. Um,
[28:26]
and look forward to the judges coming
[28:29]
back every single year. Um, and
[28:31]
Brockton's a really amazing community.
[28:33]
Um, I think that, uh, we have seen these
[28:37]
students like build these relationships
[28:39]
and, you know, I think that it's
[28:41]
something that is really special to
[28:43]
watch. Um and it's really amazing that
[28:46]
when you know last year I remember I was
[28:48]
at the final event at the appeal and uh
[28:51]
one of the students um you know got up
[28:54]
and gave her oral argument and the judge
[28:57]
who had visited her classroom a few
[28:59]
weeks ago had a very pointed question
[29:01]
and the student listened. She took you
[29:04]
know she took in what the judge said and
[29:06]
then she said her piece. She said it,
[29:08]
the judge pushed and she pushed right
[29:10]
back and it was an amazing exchange and
[29:13]
I thought it was so impressive. Um, it
[29:15]
was done in an incredibly like
[29:17]
respectful, professional way. Um, and I
[29:20]
had seen this student a few weeks before
[29:22]
and I would not have told you that she
[29:24]
could have done that and she did. And
[29:26]
so, um, the volunteers, the teacher
[29:28]
volunteers, the attorneys who volunteer
[29:31]
their time, um, and the judges who come,
[29:34]
um, and volunteer their time as well
[29:36]
really make the program, um, an
[29:39]
incredible experience for every student.
[29:42]
>> Thank you. Um, so the 70k, um, can you
[29:48]
break that down for us to see where the cost is? Um because I mean
[29:53]
maybe we can try I know you mentioned
[29:54]
you can do fundraising. I'm sure um if
[29:58]
there's ways to reach out to the
[30:00]
different you know the Plymouth County
[30:02]
Bar Association, the Bris like the the
[30:04]
surrounding bars with with we're ask our
[30:07]
attorneys um that are probably members
[30:10]
to try to sponsor a student or at least
[30:13]
sponsor a school um see how we can help
[30:16]
you because this is a very important
[30:18]
program for our kids. I mean, we have
[30:19]
many important programs, but this one
[30:21]
where it affects so many of them. Um,
[30:24]
whatever we can try to do to help you, know, I I wasn't sure is it is this
[30:28]
something we can go under community
[30:30]
schools, a portion of it. Um,
[30:33]
again, it just if if if there's ways
[30:35]
that we can try to help you. Um, we
[30:37]
can't you've worked so hard to get to
[30:40]
where we are. you have the judges
[30:41]
because I know there was a time they
[30:43]
were having a hard time getting judges
[30:44]
and attorneys um given the uh commitment
[30:47]
of time but now that you have that we
[30:50]
need to help as far as the funding
[30:52]
figure out how we're going to find the
[30:53]
funding. So um
[30:55]
>> yes thank you.
[30:56]
>> So what is if if you can can you break
[30:58]
down the 70k is um is it you know
[31:02]
resources that they're using? I mean
[31:04]
what is it that maybe there's something
[31:06]
we can do to offset that a little bit?
[31:09]
Yeah, absolutely. And I think that um we
[31:12]
did have a we did recently receive a
[31:14]
very generous grant from an anonymous
[31:17]
donor in Brockton. We received $10,000
[31:20]
uh towards the Brockton program. Um and
[31:23]
we've had a few other funders step up
[31:25]
and make smaller gifts, but we are
[31:27]
making headway. Um, and we are applying
[31:30]
to a state grant um that includes
[31:34]
Brockton and we're hoping to uh you know
[31:38]
um we're hoping that that will come
[31:39]
through which would be a really large
[31:41]
chunk um of the 70k. And so I think like
[31:45]
we're making really good progress and
[31:47]
we're making really good headway. you
[31:49]
know, the thing that um the things that
[31:51]
the the dollars pay for are really
[31:54]
around um the curriculum materials, the
[31:57]
curriculum development. Um you know, we
[32:00]
develop the case, we develop every
[32:02]
single lesson plan, we develop all of
[32:04]
the materials so that the legal mentors
[32:07]
and the judges can bring the legal
[32:09]
expertise and they don't have to also be
[32:11]
education experts. Um, we also make we
[32:14]
have a staff member um who is really
[32:18]
responsible for the coordination of the
[32:21]
final events and all of the logistics
[32:23]
and the training um of our volunteers
[32:26]
because we want to make sure that it's a
[32:28]
really high quality experience for
[32:30]
students. Um, and so those are the types
[32:33]
of things that the $70,000 the $10,000
[32:36]
per team um is going towards. It's
[32:39]
really around things like curriculum and
[32:42]
um uh curriculum and materials,
[32:45]
volunteer engagement, the f the
[32:47]
training, the final events, things like
[32:50]
that. Um and I'm happy to send like a
[32:53]
more uh detailed budget if that's
[32:55]
helpful. Um, and uh, you know, I think
[32:58]
the community that we've reached out to
[33:00]
so far, including tonight, has uh, done
[33:03]
an amazing job of just saying like, yes,
[33:06]
like let's, you know, make this make
[33:08]
sure that students still have access to
[33:10]
it and it's already showing gains.
[33:12]
>> Thank you. I think those that have
[33:14]
actually attended um, these mock trials
[33:18]
see how how amazing they are. Um, you
[33:22]
know, usually they're around this time
[33:23]
that you have you have them. usually
[33:25]
October, November. Um they usually have
[33:28]
them. So again, um thank you so much for
[33:31]
the presentation and uh we will do our
[33:34]
best to try to keep this program going.
[33:38]
Thank you.
[33:39]
>> Thank you. Thank you for having me. I
[33:41]
appreciate it.
[33:42]
>> Um any other question, Mr. Sullivan?
[33:47]
» No questions.
[33:49]
>> Mr. Rodri, uh Misso,
[33:53]
>> um hello. Um so when I was doing my
[33:56]
internship I at west I I actually was
[33:59]
part of supporting students to practice
[34:02]
for this debate. So this is definitely a
[34:05]
program that do not want our students to
[34:07]
lose. So and I am with Mr. Pina to
[34:10]
figure out how we can keep this in
[34:12]
house. um because grants is not
[34:15]
guaranteed and we should not be
[34:17]
dependent on people to donate money
[34:19]
which we will always welcome that but I
[34:23]
would like to figure it out um ways that
[34:27]
we can at least fund a portion of it um
[34:30]
because this is a program that I do not
[34:32]
want us to lose. Thank you.
[34:35]
>> Thank you. Uh Mr. Rodriguez.
[34:37]
>> Thank you. [clears throat] This kind of
[34:39]
feels like deja vu. Um when I first got
[34:43]
on the committee I was I believe it was
[34:44]
Lara at the time from Discovering
[34:46]
Justice that reached out to me um in
[34:49]
2020 2021. Um and at the time we only
[34:52]
had uh one school participating and
[34:55]
there was a deadline of like two days
[34:57]
and I'm calling Melinda to schedule a
[34:59]
meeting u to make sure that this uh
[35:01]
grant was applied so we can grow it. Now
[35:03]
we have seven but now um we need some
[35:06]
funding. Um, I don't want to be
[35:08]
sarcastic to say, um, take it jokingly,
[35:11]
but I I do believe I could identify just
[35:13]
off the top of my head with the
[35:14]
overpayment by the school school
[35:16]
committee members, we can allocate those
[35:18]
funds to this program, seeing fit if,
[35:20]
uh, the superintendent can look into
[35:22]
that so we can give a portion of that.
[35:24]
Um and also uh you know with this
[35:27]
program um when members uh Gomes and
[35:31]
Oliver got on the committee um and you
[35:34]
know informing them of how great this
[35:36]
program is is to make sure that this
[35:39]
program uh lives uh for quite some time
[35:42]
in the district and we can just see how
[35:44]
uh it's grown. Um it was eyeopening when
[35:48]
I attended one of the events at the
[35:50]
Mowley uh center. Um and at the time
[35:54]
Mrs. Rivas who was actually in the
[35:56]
audience uh accompany me and the former
[35:59]
superintendent um and we actually kind
[36:01]
of had to drag him along but the
[36:03]
showcase was all about Brockton at that
[36:06]
event and you had over 800 people in
[36:08]
attendance um including uh you know
[36:11]
channel 10 and all his news media that's
[36:13]
been covering uh discovering justice
[36:15]
program. So, thank you for all the work
[36:17]
uh and everybody that's been involved in
[36:19]
this uh endeavor with the school
[36:20]
district. And I'm confident that this
[36:23]
body will work together to make sure
[36:24]
that we can identify some funds uh
[36:27]
through the superintendent to make sure
[36:28]
that you know we can play a small part
[36:30]
uh in making sure that we maintain it.
[36:32]
Thank you.
[36:35]
>> Any other members?
[36:37]
>> Okay, Mr. Gomes just stepped away for a
[36:39]
couple of minutes. Um, thank you so much
[36:42]
for the presentation. Uh, and I
[36:47]
is when is your deadline? Do you have a
[36:49]
deadline that you need this by
[36:52]
the funding?
[36:54]
>> I think the sooner that we know, the
[36:55]
better off we'll be. I think we are
[36:57]
going to continue to raise funds for
[37:00]
this program. And so, I think that, you
[37:02]
know, we're committed to having it this
[37:04]
year. We're not we're not talking about
[37:06]
making any changes to the program this
[37:08]
year. um this school year. And so, but I
[37:11]
think that, you know, the sooner that we
[37:13]
know that we uh you know, what we can
[37:16]
sort of rely on um the better the you
[37:19]
know, more we can turn to um continue
[37:23]
continuing to just run the program in
[37:25]
the way that um you know, in a way that
[37:27]
it benefits students.
[37:29]
>> Uh not to put you on the spot, um so you
[37:31]
mentioned you identified some funds. Um
[37:34]
do you have a ballpark idea of what you
[37:36]
what the remaining funds are needed? um
[37:41]
>> if we got this if we we are applying
[37:44]
right now for a major grant through the
[37:46]
state. Um and I think that if we receive
[37:49]
that we would be more than halfway
[37:51]
there. So I think we'd have you know 30
[37:54]
20 to 30 more to raise um if this grant
[37:59]
comes through.
[38:00]
>> Okay. Thank you so much. Um Vice Chair
[38:03]
Commes is back. Thank you.
[38:05]
>> Absolutely. And I'm happy to talk and
[38:07]
follow up at any point. I'm happy to
[38:09]
provide more data if it's helpful. Um,
[38:11]
we have a lot of it. I just didn't know
[38:13]
exactly how much time I had. And so, um,
[38:16]
I'm happy to talk at any point, um,
[38:18]
about further, you know, potential, um,
[38:21]
ideas and, uh, really want to, you know,
[38:23]
continue working with this community to
[38:25]
ensure that the students continue to get
[38:28]
the, um, program because, uh, you all
[38:31]
have built it and, um, they deserve to
[38:33]
keep it. And so I think um really uh
[38:37]
excited about the momentum.
[38:39]
>> So one last question. So Discovering
[38:41]
Justice is applying for this grant. Is
[38:44]
it something that Brockton public
[38:46]
schools can also apply? one of us is
[38:48]
bound to get the grant if if
[38:50]
>> we are actually partnering with Brockton
[38:52]
already and I spoke to um two folks at
[38:56]
the district who they are uh we're
[38:58]
talking about like a it requires like a
[39:01]
fiscal sponsor and so Brockton is
[39:03]
actually already involved.
[39:05]
>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure if you
[39:07]
needed our help as far as the grant um
[39:09]
grant writing that we'd also step up and
[39:11]
see what we can do on our end. But thank
[39:13]
you so much.
[39:14]
>> Thank you.
[39:15]
Any final questions,
[39:17]
comments, concerns? No. Thank you, Miss
[39:19]
Kennet. Appreciate you being here
[39:20]
tonight. Uh feel free to reach out and
[39:24]
uh if there's additional information
[39:25]
you'd like to provide, um you can send
[39:27]
that to us as well.
[39:29]
>> Thank you for having me.
[39:31]
>> Of course. Um we will now move on to the
[39:35]
superintendent's report.
[39:38]
>> Right. Thank you. Um so yes we have been
[39:41]
working with discovering justice in or
[39:43]
and so we did uh find some funds in one
[39:46]
of our entitlement grants to support as
[39:49]
uh Raina mentioned the the stipens and
[39:52]
the transportation and we are continuing
[39:54]
to advocate with DESIE um to secure
[39:57]
those funds because um as Raina
[39:59]
mentioned this is a grant that we can
[40:01]
apply for every year but I do appreciate
[40:03]
the fact that they are being forward
[40:05]
thinking about the fact that we may not
[40:07]
get the grant in the future and so we
[40:08]
want to make sure that this is a
[40:10]
sustainable um that we have a
[40:13]
sustainable funding source moving
[40:15]
forward. But I do appreciate that they
[40:17]
have committed to continuing Discovering
[40:19]
Justice and that we are in partnership
[40:21]
with them and making sure that we're
[40:23]
doing our part in both providing funds
[40:26]
and advocating um for additional funds
[40:29]
from the state.
[40:32]
All right. So um oh so uh we'll move on
[40:35]
to my report. And in my report, I'm
[40:38]
actually including um my presentation
[40:41]
regarding my upcoming evaluation since
[40:44]
we are completing my current evaluation
[40:46]
this evening um as long along with the
[40:49]
superintendent update.
[40:53]
So I've known I know you've seen these
[40:55]
slides before. So just a reminder of the
[40:57]
five-step cycle um for the
[40:59]
superintendent evaluation process. So
[41:02]
this evening we are doing number five
[41:05]
which is approving the final evaluation
[41:07]
and overall rating but I'm also starting
[41:09]
with a preview of number one um so that
[41:12]
you can get an idea of what I'm thinking
[41:14]
for my goals. You will not be approving
[41:16]
them tonight but you will hear about
[41:18]
them tonight um and then I will send
[41:20]
them to you so that you can provide
[41:21]
additional feedback.
[41:26]
As a reminder, there need to be three
[41:28]
goals. a district improvement goal, a
[41:29]
professional practice goal and a student
[41:31]
learning goal and also uh there are
[41:34]
several focus indicators and generally
[41:37]
we choose uh six focus indicators to
[41:39]
focus on. I'm evaluated on all of them
[41:42]
um all 21 but there are six in
[41:44]
particular that I focus on every year
[41:46]
and those are the artifacts that you
[41:48]
receive um in the book.
[41:52]
So we'll be speaking about uh the
[41:55]
evaluation later on but um as a preview
[41:58]
for what I was thinking for my
[42:00]
improvement goals for this upcoming year
[42:02]
uh based largely on the um DESIE review
[42:06]
that we received um and the uh and the
[42:10]
evaluation the initial evaluation
[42:12]
results that I've read. So the district
[42:14]
improvement goal um and these will be
[42:16]
words smmith and you will be able to
[42:17]
provide feedback um is to implement an
[42:20]
attendance improvement strategy that
[42:22]
leverages family engagement and
[42:23]
coordinated student interventions. The
[42:26]
professional practice goal um that I am
[42:28]
thinking of is providing access to
[42:30]
consistent opportunities for families
[42:32]
within the community to participate in
[42:34]
school advisory and engagement
[42:36]
structures. So that was an item that was
[42:37]
mentioned in the Desi review as some as
[42:40]
an area that requires greater
[42:42]
consistency. And then the student
[42:44]
learning goal is to cultivate
[42:45]
opportunities for deeper deeper
[42:47]
learning, higher order thinking and
[42:49]
student driven dialogue.
[42:53]
Uh for the focus indicators, again
[42:55]
there's 21 indicators and so the six
[42:57]
that I chose again were specific to the
[43:00]
recent DESI review. So standard 1B on
[43:03]
instruction, standard 2C scheduling and
[43:05]
management information systems, standard
[43:07]
2e fiscal systems because I think that
[43:10]
one has been in my evaluation one of my
[43:12]
um focus indicators for the last two
[43:14]
years and I think it should continue to
[43:16]
be standard 3A family engagement
[43:19]
standard 4A shared vision and commitment
[43:21]
to high standards and standard 4D
[43:23]
continuous learning.
[43:27]
And so just as a reminder of where we
[43:29]
have been this past year and where we'll
[43:31]
be going this upcoming year, um last
[43:34]
year the review of my goals and focus
[43:38]
indicators, so this preview that I'm
[43:40]
providing tonight was provided on
[43:42]
October 22nd and then sent out to the
[43:44]
school committee. Um they were then
[43:46]
actually approved on December 2nd. Um,
[43:50]
and then August 14th of this year, I
[43:52]
sent you the report that you have. By
[43:54]
September 18th, the evaluation forms you
[43:57]
all submitted and uh, then it was
[43:59]
compiled to be approved this evening um,
[44:02]
on October 6th. So, tonight I'm doing my
[44:05]
initial review of the goals and focus
[44:07]
indicators. [snorts] Um, uh, a tentative
[44:10]
schedule for approval of goals and focus
[44:13]
indicators after you provide your
[44:14]
feedback would be October or November of
[44:16]
this year. Um and then I figure we will
[44:20]
follow the same general timeline which
[44:22]
was which is that the end of year report
[44:24]
would come for me in August of next
[44:26]
year. Um the evaluation forms would be
[44:29]
submitted by school committee in
[44:30]
September with the evaluation being
[44:32]
approved by the school committee in
[44:34]
October of next year. So this is the
[44:36]
same cycle that we've followed um the
[44:38]
last two years I've been here. And so I
[44:40]
um figured that we would follow
[44:42]
something similar this upcoming year.
[44:46]
And so I would like to jump right into
[44:48]
the update of some exciting things that
[44:50]
have been happening around the district
[44:52]
and we you will see that we are already
[44:54]
um working towards some of these goals.
[44:58]
So this year Brockton Public Schools is
[45:00]
placing an intentional focus on
[45:02]
strengthening family collaboration as an
[45:05]
important part of supporting student
[45:06]
learning and success. So our goal is to
[45:09]
si move beyond simply communicating
[45:11]
information to families toward creating
[45:13]
more meaningful opportunities to work
[45:15]
with families, valuing their knowledge
[45:17]
of their children, engaging them in
[45:19]
dialogue about learning, and seeking
[45:21]
their perspectives and feedback when
[45:23]
determining how best to support their
[45:25]
students. Principles across the district
[45:27]
are engaging with staff to identify how
[45:30]
they currently cor collaborate with
[45:32]
families and identifying ways in which
[45:34]
they can deepen that collaboration. So
[45:36]
here you see an example of this pictured
[45:38]
where Downey educators are working
[45:40]
collaboratively to dig into how making
[45:42]
subtle shifts in practice can translate
[45:45]
to more powerful partnerships with
[45:47]
families.
[45:51]
Also we launched our new parent
[45:54]
engagement platform um and uh parent
[45:57]
square. So many of you I'm sure have
[45:59]
gotten your uh parent square
[46:00]
notifications. Um and here you'll see
[46:03]
that Mr. Kelly and I had the distinct
[46:05]
honor of making a surprise visit to Miss
[46:07]
Raposa's first grade first grade
[46:09]
classroom at the Angelo School to
[46:12]
recognize her as BPS's inaugural Parent
[46:15]
Square champion because of all the
[46:17]
incredible work she's done to make the
[46:18]
most of this new platform for family
[46:20]
outreach. Miss Raposa has done an
[46:22]
amazing job using Parent Square early
[46:24]
and often to keep her students families
[46:27]
up to date on all that they're learning.
[46:29]
She has also been a leader among her
[46:30]
peers in helping them get the most out
[46:32]
of parent square as well. The Angelo was
[46:35]
our leading school through the first few
[46:37]
weeks of the school year in terms of
[46:39]
post for families and Miss Raposa was
[46:41]
the leading poster at the Angelo which
[46:43]
taken together earned her the
[46:45]
distinction of being our first parent
[46:46]
square champion. The championship belt
[46:49]
she earned will be hers to display in
[46:50]
her classroom until we identify our next
[46:52]
champ. and the belt will then travel
[46:54]
around the district throughout the year
[46:56]
as we celebrate our educators and
[46:58]
administrators who are doing an amazing
[46:59]
job keeping families informed and
[47:01]
engaged.
[47:05]
Also, uh this past weekend, BHS girls
[47:07]
sports teams welcomed 45 girls from
[47:10]
grades 3 through 8 to Marciano Stadium
[47:12]
over the weekend for the annual girls
[47:14]
sports day. Students took part in six
[47:17]
different sports stations, giving them a
[47:19]
firsthand preview of the opportunities
[47:20]
that await them in basketball,
[47:22]
volleyball, softball, field hockey,
[47:24]
cheer, and soccer, while also giving
[47:26]
them the chance to get a feel for the
[47:28]
brand new turf field that many of those
[47:30]
sports now have the privilege of calling
[47:32]
home. Thank you to Katie Baloni for
[47:34]
organizing this growing tradition and to
[47:36]
all of the amazing athletes and coaches
[47:38]
who volunteered their time and made so
[47:40]
many younger students feel welcomed and
[47:42]
excited about the amazing opportunities
[47:44]
at VHS. Thank you also to member Pina
[47:47]
for helping to organize donated lunches
[47:49]
from Bracks.
[47:54]
Congratulations to the 30 BPS Middle
[47:56]
School student musicians who have been
[47:58]
chosen to represent the city of
[47:59]
champions at the annual Bridgewater
[48:01]
State University Honor Band Festival.
[48:04]
They will be performing in a full-day
[48:06]
festival this Thursday, October 8th,
[48:08]
with peers from across southeastern
[48:10]
Massachusetts. The day will be full of
[48:13]
rehearsals and culminates with a concert
[48:15]
at 3:30 p.m. at the Rondello Student
[48:18]
Center Auditorium at Bridgewwater State.
[48:23]
Last week, members of our finance team
[48:25]
attended the Mass Buys Conference in
[48:27]
Foxboro, joining public sector
[48:29]
professionals from across the
[48:31]
Commonwealth for a day of learning and
[48:32]
collaboration. Through hands-on
[48:34]
workshops focused on finance,
[48:36]
procurement, and budgeting, our team
[48:37]
works sidebyside to sharpen the skills
[48:39]
they use every day in service of our
[48:41]
students, schools, and community.
[48:44]
Opportunities like this strengthen our
[48:45]
fiscal practices, keep our team current
[48:47]
on resources available to the district,
[48:49]
and build teamwork. The team reported
[48:52]
feeling energized after this opportunity
[48:54]
and is looking forward to putting what
[48:55]
they learned into practice each day.
[49:00]
I'm also excited to share that the NFL
[49:02]
foundation and the character playbook
[49:04]
team have recognized BPS as a character
[49:07]
champion district. The distinction is
[49:09]
awarded to districts where students are
[49:11]
actively engaged in character playbook,
[49:13]
demonstrating a meaningful commitment to
[49:15]
helping young people develop the
[49:17]
character, leadership, and life skills
[49:19]
that support success both inside and
[49:22]
outside the classroom. Brockton is one
[49:24]
of approximately a 100 districts
[49:26]
nationwide to earn this recognition,
[49:28]
which represents the collective effort
[49:30]
of educators, administrators,
[49:31]
counselors, and staff who work to foster
[49:34]
student growth and achievement every
[49:35]
day. Thank you to every member of our
[49:37]
team who contributed to us earning this
[49:40]
incredible milestone or reaching this
[49:42]
incredible milestone.
[49:45]
The free books for kids mo bookmobile
[49:47]
has been making stops throughout
[49:49]
Brockton during the school year with
[49:50]
more to come as the school year goes on.
[49:52]
It made its most recent stop at the
[49:54]
therapeutic day school giving students a
[49:56]
chance to select books of interest to
[49:58]
keep them at no cost to them or the
[50:01]
district. This is part of a regular set
[50:03]
of stops the bookmobile is making across
[50:05]
the district. This initiative is led by
[50:08]
Margaret Burgess who takes this project
[50:10]
on in addition to her work as a
[50:12]
librarian in needm schools. Each year
[50:15]
when Margaret reaches out about this
[50:17]
program, our principles rush to sign up
[50:18]
and there will be dates throughout the
[50:20]
remainder of the year where Margaret's
[50:22]
bookmobile will be paying a visit to
[50:24]
schools serving grades K to 8.
[50:28]
I also want to extend a big thank you to
[50:30]
our partners at the Brockton Public
[50:31]
Library for their continued support of
[50:33]
our youngest students. This year, BPL
[50:36]
generously helped put 1,200 copies of
[50:39]
The Dot by Peter H. Reynolds into the
[50:41]
hands of students, allowing us to
[50:43]
provide a book to every incoming
[50:45]
kindergarten student across the
[50:46]
district. Each book included a special
[50:49]
book plate recognizing the partnership
[50:51]
between Brockton Public Schools and the
[50:52]
Brockton Public Library and welcoming
[50:54]
our students as they begin their school
[50:56]
journey. This initiative is about more
[50:59]
than just distributing books and sharing
[51:00]
the joy of literacy. This initiative is
[51:03]
helping to build a bridge that connects
[51:04]
school registration to early literacy to
[51:07]
family engagement and community
[51:08]
partnership.
[51:12]
And finally, National Custodians Day was
[51:15]
last week, and I wanted to take a moment
[51:17]
to thank our amazing custodians, some of
[51:19]
whom are pictured here. Our custodians
[51:21]
are an essential part of the team at
[51:22]
every one of our buildings. And while
[51:24]
their work often happens early in the
[51:26]
morning or late in the day, it's always
[51:28]
seen by our students and staff in the
[51:29]
form of clean and safe buildings that
[51:32]
allow them to focus on teaching and
[51:33]
learning. So on behalf of myself, the
[51:35]
leadership team, the school committee,
[51:37]
and all of our students and educa
[51:38]
educators, thank you to our wonderful
[51:41]
custodians.
[51:42]
>> Thank you, Superintendent. Um, Mr. Pin,
[51:45]
and then Miss Oliver.
[51:47]
>> Um, so the district has made some
[51:52]
progress with the
[51:55]
overwheling.
[52:03]
bit closer.
[52:12]
» Test test test. There you go. All right.
[52:14]
So, the district has uh made some great
[52:17]
progress. Actually, I was just talking
[52:18]
to Dr. Spalding about the literacy
[52:20]
scores in the uh lower grades K through
[52:23]
uh three and uh some of the the movement
[52:26]
that we've made um in that area. My my
[52:30]
concern is and I I wanted to bring this
[52:32]
up is about the uh the higher grades. Um
[52:37]
what do you what do you believe are the
[52:39]
primary reasons for those schools
[52:42]
continue that continue to struggle and
[52:44]
what specifically are we doing
[52:47]
differently this year than uh that we
[52:49]
did um that you expect will materially
[52:54]
uh improve student achievement?
[52:56]
>> Yes. So I think this will be an ongoing
[52:58]
conversation that we have throughout the
[53:00]
school year and I think that the uh Desi
[53:02]
district review certainly gave us some
[53:04]
uh great insight as well. Um and so as
[53:09]
you mentioned uh there you know our
[53:11]
outcomes are remaining uneven but we do
[53:13]
see that we have promising practices
[53:15]
within our own school district and so
[53:17]
certainly leveraging those promising
[53:19]
practices and sharing them amongst our
[53:21]
schools. sometimes um you know [snorts]
[53:23]
our solutions are within our own walls.
[53:26]
Um also some of the more uh the more
[53:29]
focused support that we're going to be
[53:31]
doing is our on our district data
[53:34]
reviews, our learning walks and our
[53:36]
ongoing work with DESIE um because those
[53:40]
have helped us identify these areas and
[53:42]
sharpen our focus. So when you look at
[53:43]
our DESI review for example, they have
[53:45]
in the appendices several of the
[53:47]
walkthroughs and they've identified
[53:48]
certain areas where we can provide
[53:50]
additional support. So I think that
[53:52]
gives us a good starting point. [snorts]
[53:53]
Desi also has reached out to us because
[53:55]
this is where we start partnering with
[53:57]
them this school year on providing
[53:59]
additional support. So, we are going to
[54:02]
take a much more focused and intentional
[54:04]
approach this year and we've established
[54:05]
a clear uh dis district instructional
[54:09]
priority um on ensuring that our
[54:11]
students are actively engaged in grade
[54:13]
level learning, talking, reading,
[54:15]
writing, explaining, questioning, and
[54:17]
responding with purposeful supports so
[54:20]
that all of our students, including our
[54:21]
multilingual learners and our students
[54:23]
who are on IEPs, are participating uh in
[54:25]
a successful way. We are also working to
[54:28]
better align and leverage the tools and
[54:30]
structures that we already have. So
[54:32]
common planning time for example which
[54:34]
um as you mentioned in the higher grades
[54:37]
new this year we have expanded at
[54:39]
Brockton High School. Uh learning walks
[54:42]
again professional learning educator
[54:44]
evaluation is a tool that we can
[54:46]
leverage student data and targeted
[54:48]
interventions so that they reinforce the same instructional
[54:51]
priorities um rather than operate as
[54:55]
separate initiatives. So I think that that is something that we can also
[54:59]
be doing better um and more
[55:02]
consistently. Um we also have allocated
[55:05]
grant funding to support each school
[55:07]
that is designated as requiring
[55:10]
additional assistance this year uh so
[55:12]
that they have a professional learning
[55:14]
community that's focused on research for
[55:16]
better teachings making student thinking
[55:18]
visible course. So we'll be doing that
[55:20]
and that course will equip teachers to
[55:23]
create environments where our students
[55:25]
are talking more than um talking more
[55:28]
and taking part in higher order level
[55:31]
thinking and um academic student
[55:35]
dialogue. Um so moving shifting that
[55:38]
dialogue from our teachers to to our
[55:40]
students. And so our hope is that and we
[55:43]
will continue to report on it is that
[55:46]
with um these more targeted supports
[55:48]
coupled with stronger accountability and
[55:50]
monitoring uh that we will be able to
[55:52]
lead to measurable improvements in
[55:54]
student outcomes.
[55:55]
>> Just a followup with that. So you we had
[55:58]
the promise school that scored
[56:01]
much higher than our high school.
[56:03]
>> What are we what did we learn from that?
[56:05]
Is that what is that what you got this
[56:08]
what you're saying? What you got that
[56:09]
from? Is that what we're doing at
[56:10]
promise that maybe made them a little
[56:12]
bit um score
[56:15]
>> planning time you mean? Um
[56:17]
>> correct or actually the higher level
[56:18]
engagement because I mean I'll be honest
[56:20]
with you and I know you have a child as
[56:22]
well in an ISL school and I do as well
[56:24]
and so their curriculum is much
[56:26]
different than ours and they do a lot
[56:28]
more of that.
[56:30]
>> Um and I believe they do that at the
[56:32]
promise as well. So I'm just curious if
[56:34]
that is that's why we brought it over
[56:36]
and bring it over to the high school.
[56:38]
So, I I that's a great question. I think
[56:41]
I'd have to think about that a little
[56:42]
bit more and look at the data. I mean,
[56:43]
we are certainly expanding early college
[56:46]
at um at the high school. And so, I
[56:49]
think that early college is certainly uh a reason that I think our promise
[56:53]
students are um excelling. And so, we
[56:56]
are trying to leverage that more greatly
[56:58]
at the high school. It it's hard it's
[57:00]
hard to compare the two because it is
[57:02]
sometimes apples and oranges. is I mean
[57:04]
Brockton High is a much larger school
[57:06]
and it provides a lot of different
[57:08]
opportunities and you know um while
[57:12]
accountability and I would never say
[57:14]
that accountability is not important and
[57:16]
assessment scores aren't important but
[57:18]
it is interesting because when I go to
[57:19]
promise one of the things that they
[57:21]
mention is that they would like to have
[57:22]
greater access to some of the
[57:25]
opportunities that um and and they do
[57:28]
have you know access to athletics but
[57:30]
some of the opportunities even during
[57:31]
the school day that are provided at
[57:33]
Brockton High that they don't have some
[57:34]
of the electives, some of the the the
[57:37]
specialties. So, it really is it's
[57:40]
different and it's hard to compare. So,
[57:41]
I would have to think about that a
[57:43]
little bit more um as far as what
[57:46]
practices we could share. And actually,
[57:48]
I would probably uh lean on the school
[57:50]
leaders themselves. Like I was saying, I
[57:52]
think we have promising practices at a
[57:54]
lot of our different schools that can be
[57:56]
shared and leveraged. And I think that
[57:58]
actually goes both ways between Brockton
[58:00]
High and Brockton Therapeutic Day. and
[58:03]
uh promise and champion. So, I think
[58:05]
that it's our job to make sure we're
[58:08]
leveraging the opportunities that we
[58:09]
have with our principles in order and
[58:11]
our educators in order for them to share
[58:13]
those practices.
[58:14]
>> As a followup that I just thought about
[58:16]
as you were speaking, um one of the more
[58:18]
unpopular things that I said and
[58:21]
obviously, you know, I say a lot of
[58:22]
those, but um so does that not show that
[58:26]
there should be two that we should split
[58:27]
the high school up and maybe have a
[58:29]
smaller high school? like why are we why
[58:31]
are we asking the taxpayers to build
[58:33]
this high school that's so large when
[58:36]
now you're telling me the data is
[58:38]
proving that a smaller high school would
[58:40]
be better so why not build two separate
[58:42]
high schools.
[58:43]
>> So actually no that's not what I said
[58:44]
because um I said that there are areas
[58:47]
in um that where BHS has I think it it
[58:50]
depends on what we're talking about.
[58:52]
>> We could just get those to that to the
[58:54]
school. We're just not giving them to
[58:55]
them right now. Like they don't have a
[58:57]
gym. They don't have um they should have
[58:59]
I I believe they should have their own
[59:01]
sports teams.
[59:02]
>> I believe that they should be a separate
[59:05]
high school completely
[59:06]
>> and I think that's that was proven over
[59:09]
uh how well they did in their scores.
[59:10]
>> They are a separate high school
[59:12]
>> but but then they
[59:13]
>> Oh, you mean having their own play in
[59:14]
the majorettes. They play football. They
[59:18]
>> And then Yes. And then
[59:22]
so well let me start with the MSBA
[59:24]
question. Um, when we were applying to
[59:26]
the MSBA, uh, you only get funding for
[59:29]
one school, right? So, if we got funding
[59:32]
for a new school, it would have to be
[59:34]
split. So, we would have some students
[59:36]
who stayed here and then we would have
[59:38]
um a new high school where other
[59:39]
students would go. And we did, when we
[59:42]
were going through the process, exhaust
[59:45]
every single exploration of one school,
[59:48]
two schools, where would they sit? And
[59:49]
so, um, there was a lot of work that
[59:52]
went into determining that it should be
[59:54]
one school. Uh, and that included, uh,
[59:58]
not just the education and the CTE
[1:00:00]
programs, um, and the economies of scale
[1:00:02]
that were able to provide here at
[1:00:03]
Brockton High. Um, [snorts] but it it
[1:00:06]
did include like geography and transfer.
[1:00:09]
Like there were all myriad of um
[1:00:12]
[snorts] factors that were included in
[1:00:14]
that decision to to build one uh,
[1:00:17]
Brockton High. Honestly, if we were to,
[1:00:19]
let's say we're we were to split it in
[1:00:21]
two, I think we would all still agree
[1:00:24]
that we would want a new building here.
[1:00:26]
So ultimately, we would still be
[1:00:27]
building two buildings, two new
[1:00:29]
buildings, paying and potentially paying
[1:00:31]
more in the long run, right? Um because
[1:00:33]
then we'd be paying for one now, tearing
[1:00:36]
this one down, break building another
[1:00:37]
one later and when it costs are higher.
[1:00:40]
So I think all all in all I while I know
[1:00:43]
it is an incredibly large investment, I
[1:00:46]
think that the one large Brockton High
[1:00:49]
School was the right way to go. And and
[1:00:51]
just for me um as somebody coming to
[1:00:54]
Brockton, one thing that I will say that
[1:00:55]
I really uh have loved and appreciated
[1:00:59]
about Brockton is the level of spirit
[1:01:01]
and and and that culture of having it,
[1:01:04]
you know, um one large high school that
[1:01:07]
sometimes, you know, um can suffer when
[1:01:10]
you have two different high schools and
[1:01:11]
you've seen things like that like
[1:01:13]
Newton, like Newton North and South and
[1:01:14]
they have this big rivalry and and at
[1:01:16]
times that can be nice, I suppose, but
[1:01:18]
there is something to be said, I think,
[1:01:20]
for uh for the camaraderie and the
[1:01:23]
culture and the the community coming
[1:01:25]
around one large high school. Um so
[1:01:28]
that's the MSBA question, but then you
[1:01:30]
asked another question about smaller a
[1:01:34]
smaller high school. I think honestly
[1:01:37]
what we've done here in Brockton is the
[1:01:39]
best of both worlds because you're
[1:01:40]
right, there are some um programs and
[1:01:43]
there are some students that are going
[1:01:44]
to flourish more greatly in a smaller
[1:01:46]
environment and then there are some who
[1:01:48]
are going to be better in a larger
[1:01:49]
environment and I think the fact that we
[1:01:51]
are offering both of those opportunities
[1:01:53]
is actually the best case scenario. Um
[1:01:56]
so in my opinion and obviously it's not
[1:01:59]
my opinion that um is the one that you
[1:02:02]
know guides everything but I I actually
[1:02:06]
uh believe that we're we're doing it
[1:02:08]
well and we're doing it right and that
[1:02:10]
we um what all we are looking to do is
[1:02:13]
make sure that we are improving and
[1:02:14]
building upon the foundation we have. So
[1:02:16]
I mean a few years ago, five years ago
[1:02:18]
there was not a promise academy. So even
[1:02:20]
just the development of that school and
[1:02:22]
the fact that we you know that I think
[1:02:24]
demonstrates that Brockton is um is not
[1:02:29]
just married to like the one large high
[1:02:30]
school but isn't just thinking about it
[1:02:33]
so um in such a like concrete linear way
[1:02:37]
of like it's either two high schools or
[1:02:38]
one high school like we're thinking
[1:02:40]
about it in a more nuanced way that I
[1:02:42]
think is more individualized to the
[1:02:44]
student population we have.
[1:02:45]
>> Yeah. I I would just ask that we think
[1:02:47]
more about outcomes, student outcomes
[1:02:50]
than financial. Uh I know we have to
[1:02:52]
think of both, but I think obviously the
[1:02:55]
student outcomes are important. Um we're
[1:02:57]
lucky that we have uh the promise school
[1:02:59]
and uh I have two more two more
[1:03:02]
questions that were actually from what
[1:03:04]
you were uh from your report.
[1:03:06]
>> Uh do you have the metrics on that
[1:03:09]
parent square? I know that there's and
[1:03:12]
just so that I fully understand because
[1:03:14]
I got conflicting information. So
[1:03:18]
>> obviously I get the text a lot of them
[1:03:21]
which is good. Um but at the same time
[1:03:23]
so if you download the app is it like a social media platform where the
[1:03:28]
teacher is now because I know in the in
[1:03:31]
the last um I just totally forgot the
[1:03:33]
name of it. The last uh product that we
[1:03:35]
had
[1:03:36]
>> school messenger.
[1:03:37]
>> Yes.
[1:03:38]
>> Um they they could do pictures. they
[1:03:40]
would send the pictures and stuff. So,
[1:03:41]
is that what you're measuring
[1:03:43]
from what you're
[1:03:43]
>> measuring posts, newsletters? Yeah. So,
[1:03:46]
and we do get and I actually get um a
[1:03:49]
weekly feed of who was the the top
[1:03:51]
poster and what kind of posts were
[1:03:53]
provided, what kind of interactions
[1:03:55]
happen because it is um a two-way
[1:03:58]
communication. Um, and so I can bring um
[1:04:02]
to our next meeting uh the analytics uh
[1:04:05]
for the full month of September um
[1:04:08]
because I was actually uh talking about
[1:04:11]
them with um Jordan today and he was
[1:04:14]
letting me know sort of like the
[1:04:15]
percentage of the families that are that
[1:04:17]
are utilizing it and I was able to meet
[1:04:19]
with DPAC yesterday evening and and
[1:04:22]
there are definitely still kinks that we
[1:04:24]
need to work out and and areas that we
[1:04:26]
know need improving um for parents
[1:04:29]
parent square. So, we're still working
[1:04:30]
those out, but one of the parents
[1:04:32]
actually said that they were able to get
[1:04:34]
a newsletter um from the district from
[1:04:38]
that was specifically she has a sixth
[1:04:40]
grader and it was specifically came a
[1:04:42]
sixth grade newsletter to her, but that
[1:04:44]
was district level. So, she was very
[1:04:46]
excited to have that kind of targeted um
[1:04:50]
uh communication um that came from the
[1:04:52]
district. So, not simply just from, you
[1:04:54]
know, within your school, you're getting
[1:04:55]
it from the the district as well.
[1:04:58]
um but in a way that kind of tells you
[1:05:00]
what's happening around the district in grade six. So I think it offers us a
[1:05:04]
lot of different opportunities and we're
[1:05:06]
still trying to figure out all of the
[1:05:07]
functionalities. We're actually being
[1:05:09]
trained next week um on their attendance
[1:05:13]
module which is something we may want to
[1:05:15]
utilize or leverage. So we're going to
[1:05:17]
be exploring that as well. Um but I can
[1:05:20]
certainly bring more information about
[1:05:22]
um how how it's going so far. And is the
[1:05:25]
principal at each uh facility are they
[1:05:27]
like the moderator of that or is it
[1:05:32]
>> Yeah. Yes. I mean different um different
[1:05:36]
folks have different permissions. So for
[1:05:38]
example, the principal can communicate
[1:05:40]
with everybody. Teachers have the
[1:05:42]
permissions to communicate with their
[1:05:44]
students. Um, and that's sort of one of
[1:05:46]
the things that we're working on right
[1:05:47]
now is making sure that
[1:05:50]
we all have the correct permissions to
[1:05:52]
communicate with who we want to
[1:05:54]
communicate and to to change it when we
[1:05:56]
want to because sometimes I may want to
[1:05:58]
communicate with this group but not this
[1:06:00]
group. So that's what we're working on
[1:06:01]
now.
[1:06:01]
>> Is that is there anything in there where
[1:06:03]
the um the school committee would be
[1:06:05]
able to have access? I have it just
[1:06:07]
because obviously I have my kids uh one
[1:06:08]
of my kids two of my kids in schools.
[1:06:11]
Um, but is it something that the school
[1:06:13]
committee would then be able to like if
[1:06:15]
there were
[1:06:16]
>> post? Um, so it would
[1:06:17]
>> not really post but just like you know
[1:06:18]
if there was something that um that it
[1:06:22]
kind of keeps me informed a lot more
[1:06:24]
than I mean I talk to Mrs. Paul all the
[1:06:26]
time anyway but
[1:06:28]
>> um keeps it would keep everyone else
[1:06:30]
informed. That's all.
[1:06:31]
>> Absolutely. And that is our hope is that
[1:06:33]
we'll be able to utilize it to um
[1:06:35]
communicate out the DPAC meetings to
[1:06:37]
communicate out um Yes. So absolutely.
[1:06:40]
So if there are school committee
[1:06:41]
functions or even the meetings that we
[1:06:43]
want to utilize uh parent square to
[1:06:45]
communicate. Absolutely.
[1:06:47]
>> One last question. So the honor band
[1:06:49]
festival at Bridgewwater is that open to
[1:06:51]
the public or is that um
[1:06:52]
>> I believe so. I mean I I actually don't
[1:06:55]
know. Um I hope so. I'm going. So uh
[1:06:58]
hopefully they'll let me in but I can
[1:06:59]
find out.
[1:07:00]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:07:02]
>> Yes.
[1:07:02]
>> Thank you Mr. Pina. Uh any other
[1:07:04]
members? Uh Miss Oliver.
[1:07:05]
>> I'm sorry. Can I can I just add one more
[1:07:07]
thing?
[1:07:08]
>> Go ahead. I I I had to I had to say
[1:07:09]
thank you to the um custodians. Um they
[1:07:13]
are they are literally the backbone of
[1:07:15]
this uh community of ours and the
[1:07:18]
schools. Thank you for what they did in
[1:07:19]
the hallway cleaning up uh after that
[1:07:22]
really bad storm. Um our schools are not
[1:07:25]
uh in bad of shape as what you might
[1:07:27]
think. Uh and that's because of what
[1:07:29]
they do and what facilities does. I
[1:07:31]
don't know if Ken's up there, but he
[1:07:33]
would have just heard me compliment him.
[1:07:34]
Thank you.
[1:07:36]
>> Thank you, Miss Oliver.
[1:07:37]
Thank you. Um just a few questions with
[1:07:40]
the MCCAST scores. Do you have the data
[1:07:43]
for different grades and like what how
[1:07:46]
we scored for like math, science, and
[1:07:49]
English?
[1:07:49]
>> Yes. So the the MCCAST presentation that
[1:07:52]
um you all get every year. Uh we will be
[1:07:54]
doing that again this year. Um and so
[1:07:57]
you will be receiving the full
[1:07:58]
breakdown, the comparison of us from
[1:08:01]
last year um and us from surrounding
[1:08:04]
districts. so similar to what you've
[1:08:05]
received in the past.
[1:08:07]
>> And also if you actually go on the the
[1:08:09]
DOE website, you can kind of look
[1:08:11]
through and play around with the
[1:08:13]
accountability. You can see it for every
[1:08:14]
school.
[1:08:15]
>> Yeah. Because I'm extremely um proud
[1:08:17]
that Brockton did an incredible job
[1:08:20]
compared to the state how low they went.
[1:08:22]
But we increased our um score level and
[1:08:25]
I just wanted to see like how we
[1:08:28]
improved from last year to this year and
[1:08:30]
is and then see what we did differently
[1:08:32]
this year, right? to basically increase
[1:08:34]
our score. I just want to I can't wait
[1:08:35]
for that presentation just to basically
[1:08:37]
say thank you to the leaders and
[1:08:39]
educators who has worked really hard to
[1:08:41]
basically get us where we where we at.
[1:08:43]
But definitely it's something to be very
[1:08:45]
proud of that we're seeing on the
[1:08:47]
newspaper that Brockton did an
[1:08:48]
incredible job. Um also another thing
[1:08:51]
that I saw recently is that we're um
[1:08:53]
competing very strongly with
[1:08:54]
Southeastern when it comes CTE program.
[1:08:56]
Thank you to uh Mr. Macascco for doing
[1:08:58]
an incredible job bringing a lot of um
[1:09:01]
programs to the CTE program. So I think
[1:09:04]
we're finally giving competition where
[1:09:07]
to certain cities and towns. So I'd like
[1:09:09]
to see I love to see that. Another thing
[1:09:11]
also I do like Parent Square. I think
[1:09:13]
it's perfect. I like the fact that it's
[1:09:16]
very um multilingual. a lot of bilingual
[1:09:19]
parents I open house at South that a lot
[1:09:22]
of parents that were bilingual was being
[1:09:24]
um you know helped to like sign up to
[1:09:27]
and they liked it. I like getting all
[1:09:29]
the message. I like getting all the
[1:09:31]
posted because sometimes that's how I
[1:09:32]
update what's going on in the city with
[1:09:34]
the school district. But I do like it
[1:09:35]
and also when you know teachers send me
[1:09:38]
emails and different message about my
[1:09:41]
kids. But I think it's very personal. I
[1:09:42]
do like this better than the old system.
[1:09:45]
And the last thing I want to say is um I
[1:09:48]
do want to thank um coach Baboni for
[1:09:51]
this past Saturday um event. It's
[1:09:54]
definitely the second annual. The
[1:09:56]
numbers of students that attended has
[1:09:58]
totally increased. Um and also to all
[1:10:01]
the coaches that went out on Saturday to
[1:10:03]
participate and help out all the um
[1:10:06]
student adviserss that's also was there
[1:10:08]
helping and playing with the young kids.
[1:10:11]
Just watching like our future Brockton
[1:10:13]
High boxers on the field. They were so
[1:10:15]
happy. They were laughing. They were
[1:10:17]
giggling. They were playing with each
[1:10:18]
other. I think we had over 50 or more
[1:10:20]
stu um kids and they really really
[1:10:23]
enjoyed themselves and and I do
[1:10:25]
appreciate partic um appreciate that
[1:10:27]
they're putting more spotlight on girl
[1:10:29]
sports. So Saturday was really really
[1:10:31]
great. Thank you for the donation. The
[1:10:33]
kids did love eating their sandwiches.
[1:10:35]
We made sure they didn't eat on the
[1:10:37]
field. So that was a good thing. But it
[1:10:39]
was a good day. It was hot. It was nice.
[1:10:41]
And um continue the great work every
[1:10:42]
year. Thanks. Thank you. Any other
[1:10:45]
members?
[1:10:48]
Seeing none, I have a few things I'd
[1:10:50]
like to say as well. Um, I'll start with
[1:10:54]
the high school. Um, since Mr. Pina
[1:10:56]
brought it up, um, I have a few
[1:10:59]
constituents of mine that have always
[1:11:01]
asked, why don't we build two high
[1:11:04]
school, break it down in half, and give
[1:11:06]
more individualized, more focused
[1:11:09]
attention to our students. Um I I used
[1:11:12]
to say that sounds good to me cuz you
[1:11:14]
know smaller classrooms, more staffing
[1:11:17]
and so on and so forth, but there's a
[1:11:19]
lot of um other aspects that we have to
[1:11:22]
consider. And one of the things that the
[1:11:25]
superintendent said that I think um is a
[1:11:28]
good perspective to take is every
[1:11:31]
student has their own ways of learning.
[1:11:35]
Some do well in smaller spaces, some do
[1:11:37]
well in larger spaces, but I do like the
[1:11:39]
idea of having a separate high school.
[1:11:40]
I've thought about it a couple times.
[1:11:43]
Um, even though there's other things
[1:11:45]
such as transportation, you know, access
[1:11:47]
and whatnot that comes into play. Um,
[1:11:51]
also I lost my access, not access, I
[1:11:53]
just got rid of my parents square cuz my
[1:11:56]
kid is not here anymore. So, I won't be
[1:11:58]
able to see all the great um news and
[1:12:01]
information shared um through the
[1:12:04]
system, but I think picking up um from
[1:12:07]
that conversation, it would be a good
[1:12:09]
way for us to utilize it for information
[1:12:12]
sharing um not just with parents, but
[1:12:14]
with the whole community. if there's um
[1:12:18]
a different access for other people that
[1:12:22]
don't maybe don't have kids in the
[1:12:23]
district but want to stay informed, want
[1:12:25]
to participate if we are able to do
[1:12:28]
that. Um that came to mind as Miss Pina
[1:12:31]
was talking about it utilizing it as
[1:12:33]
information sharing and you know a way
[1:12:36]
of keeping people updated. Um similar to
[1:12:39]
how we share things on our website
[1:12:41]
having an app that you'll get a
[1:12:43]
notification, hey there's an event going
[1:12:44]
on. we're doing a, you know, high school
[1:12:47]
project uh conversation this day or
[1:12:49]
there's a um after school going on and
[1:12:53]
what not. So, if that's something we
[1:12:55]
could do um or have available and
[1:12:59]
accessible to other folks, not just
[1:13:00]
parents for their kids, that would be
[1:13:02]
great. Um any other comments? Okay,
[1:13:07]
seeing none, we'll move on to
[1:13:10]
item 3B. Any items to refer to
[1:13:14]
subcommittees?
[1:13:16]
No.
[1:13:17]
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. I thought we were
[1:13:19]
just on A.
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That's C you're talking about, right?
[1:13:23]
I'm sorry.
[1:13:25]
>> We got A and B. So, we just went
[1:13:27]
>> the the bullet points messed me up. I'm
[1:13:28]
sorry. So, that's not one, two, and
[1:13:30]
three.
[1:13:31]
>> Not necessarily. No.
[1:13:33]
>> Oh, my [laughter] bad then.
[1:13:34]
>> Do you have more questions?
[1:13:35]
>> Yeah, I
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>> Okay, Mr. Pino.
[1:13:36]
>> Um, and and I I'll be totally
[1:13:39]
transparent. I did let you know about
[1:13:41]
these because I I don't want to catch
[1:13:43]
you off guard and uh make it seem as
[1:13:46]
though I'm trying to play the gotcha
[1:13:48]
game. But um as as we establish your
[1:13:52]
goals and indicators, what specific
[1:13:55]
measures uh student outcome targets are
[1:13:58]
you willing to be evaluated against this
[1:14:01]
year particularly in literacy um
[1:14:04]
mathematics attendance and or lowest
[1:14:07]
performing schools? I know that you had
[1:14:08]
mentioned attendance and that was
[1:14:10]
something that was also brought up in
[1:14:12]
the in the report as well. Um but I I
[1:14:16]
guess the purpose of this question is
[1:14:18]
just because of how poorly our high
[1:14:21]
school um scored and how um you know we we're doing well in the lower grades
[1:14:29]
and I I I have some ideas as to why
[1:14:33]
we're not doing as well in the upper
[1:14:34]
grades. Um and I believe it's across the
[1:14:38]
state that that's happening for the same
[1:14:40]
reason. Um so I I guess
[1:14:45]
as as we identify the issues, is that
[1:14:49]
something that um we can look at to
[1:14:52]
improve? Um I know it's going to cost a
[1:14:55]
lot more um because it is mostly the ESL
[1:14:59]
students that are coming in and then
[1:15:01]
they are not performing at the same
[1:15:03]
level. Um,
[1:15:06]
so is is and I'll just leave it at that.
[1:15:09]
>> Um, and so yes, and I appreciate so much
[1:15:12]
you sending the questions ahead of time.
[1:15:14]
Um,
[1:15:17]
my answer to that is I would certainly
[1:15:19]
be open to um what the committee
[1:15:24]
thinks would be good metrics. Um, and so
[1:15:27]
I'm certainly, you know, interested in
[1:15:29]
the feedback. So, if you have um
[1:15:31]
specific smart goals or metrics that you
[1:15:34]
wanted to send me that um we could think
[1:15:37]
about, that's absolutely um that would
[1:15:40]
be great. I think certainly demonstrated
[1:15:43]
academic growth in the schools that have
[1:15:46]
been identified by DESIE as requiring
[1:15:48]
targeted assistance um I think would
[1:15:52]
be a natural um
[1:15:56]
you know one to look at. So may maybe
[1:15:59]
more holistically just improvement at
[1:16:01]
the targeted assistance schools. Um I we
[1:16:05]
or we could do something more specific
[1:16:07]
to grades. Grade three I know is one
[1:16:09]
that you've mentioned before. So
[1:16:11]
thinking about grade three across the
[1:16:13]
district and our lit literacy um scores
[1:16:16]
could certainly be one or um another
[1:16:19]
high leverage point could be grade eight
[1:16:21]
mathematics because we know that grade 8
[1:16:23]
math and algebra are often a predictor
[1:16:26]
for graduation rates and and and high
[1:16:29]
school completion and um high school
[1:16:31]
course taking uh college enrollment STEM
[1:16:34]
pathways etc. So, I'm certainly open to
[1:16:37]
whatever the committee would be
[1:16:39]
interested in
[1:16:41]
evaluating me on.
[1:16:43]
>> Awesome. And I think uh as as we've
[1:16:46]
discussed previously that third grade is most important and and eighth grade
[1:16:51]
for math as well. I think those would be
[1:16:53]
u great measures and I hope that we can
[1:16:55]
discuss that further. Uh the last
[1:16:57]
question that I had um I know you didn't
[1:17:00]
want to discuss this but uh regarding
[1:17:02]
the 2026 transportation
[1:17:05]
uh deficit.
[1:17:07]
Um what was originally budgeted? Uh what
[1:17:11]
was actually spent? What specifically
[1:17:14]
caused the variance? And uh was this
[1:17:18]
operational overrun or was this
[1:17:20]
transportation budget established below
[1:17:22]
the uh reasonably anticipated cost to
[1:17:26]
providing those services? So, we've
[1:17:29]
actually ended the year about where we
[1:17:31]
thought we would as far as the
[1:17:32]
transportation costs at around 22.3. And
[1:17:35]
I'll be bringing the final numbers um at
[1:17:38]
our next meeting. So, we will have our
[1:17:40]
fiscal up. Well, we're going to have a
[1:17:42]
transportation subcommittee meeting, I
[1:17:43]
believe, um and then we're also going to
[1:17:46]
have a fiscal update during our regular
[1:17:48]
meeting. Um where the interim CFO for
[1:17:51]
the city, Jay Condan, will be coming as
[1:17:54]
well. Um and we have been working
[1:17:56]
collaboratively with him. So we did end
[1:17:58]
around on the nonn net school spending
[1:18:01]
about where we had imagined but as you
[1:18:03]
know um it was underfunded from the
[1:18:06]
start. So we said we would need I think
[1:18:10]
we actually said we needed more than
[1:18:11]
that like 24 and 26 the same as we did
[1:18:13]
this 25
[1:18:15]
budget
[1:18:16]
>> and then this year we asked for more as
[1:18:17]
well. Uh but last year I believe we
[1:18:19]
received 19. This year we received 17. I
[1:18:23]
and now I'm forgetting but I will have
[1:18:24]
all those numbers for you when we
[1:18:26]
present them. So we were underfunded for
[1:18:28]
that and that is an area where I very
[1:18:31]
much appreciate that um Mr. Condan is
[1:18:36]
looking at that looking at how we're
[1:18:38]
using circuit breaker wants to be
[1:18:39]
collaborative doesn't want it to be a
[1:18:42]
situation where we're simply
[1:18:43]
underfunding to figure it out later. Uh,
[1:18:45]
so I very much appreciate that and uh
[1:18:48]
we'll be bringing our final numbers
[1:18:50]
because the books close um this Friday
[1:18:53]
and and we're figuring out sort of um
[1:18:57]
how the city is going to uh fund that
[1:19:00]
deficit. Um,
[1:19:03]
so yes,
[1:19:05]
>> just to be clear because I know and I
[1:19:07]
wasn't on the committee um back when
[1:19:09]
there were some overruns
[1:19:11]
uh but just to be clear so um we
[1:19:14]
expected these this deficit, we expected
[1:19:17]
this to happen and um we fully
[1:19:22]
anticipate to fund it. So on the non-net
[1:19:26]
school spending side, it's it's
[1:19:28]
interesting because
[1:19:30]
what ends up happening is it hits the
[1:19:33]
city treasury anyway.
[1:19:35]
>> Correct.
[1:19:36]
>> So on one hand it's a deficit because
[1:19:39]
they haven't reclassed it to us to rec,
[1:19:42]
you know, but at the end of the day it
[1:19:44]
still hits their lines. It hits their uh
[1:19:47]
budget. So as long as we're not paying
[1:19:49]
it out of the net school spending. So,
[1:19:51]
there was an area where we had spent
[1:19:53]
some out of the net school spending, but
[1:19:54]
we again as we're closing the books,
[1:19:56]
we're classing exactly where we're
[1:19:59]
allowed. Um, but we're reclassing those
[1:20:01]
expenses. So then now now it'll be all
[1:20:03]
on the net school non-net school
[1:20:05]
spending side. Um, so at the end of the
[1:20:09]
day, it doesn't end up being a deficit
[1:20:11]
on our end.
[1:20:13]
>> It ends up being one they have to take
[1:20:15]
care of either way.
[1:20:16]
>> It's a city deficit then.
[1:20:17]
>> Correct. and understanding that non-net
[1:20:20]
spending is the city's responsibility
[1:20:22]
anyway.
[1:20:22]
>> Correct.
[1:20:23]
>> Um Okay. All right. Yeah. Thank you.
[1:20:26]
>> Any other uh Miss Oliver?
[1:20:28]
>> I just wanted u Mr. Peina to clarify the
[1:20:31]
ESL comment you made. I'm not sure the
[1:20:34]
numbers like what was the question if
[1:20:36]
you can repeat.
[1:20:36]
>> So if you look at Desi uh Desi has all
[1:20:38]
the numbers. Uh you can look at uh where
[1:20:41]
we dropped. Uh we dropped in certain
[1:20:44]
areas. Um and so it's factual data
[1:20:48]
that's on the DESIE website.
[1:20:50]
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:20:51]
>> Mhm.
[1:20:52]
>> Um yes, go ahead.
[1:20:54]
>> So um I can certainly look at that data
[1:20:58]
point, but one data point that I think
[1:21:00]
is important to to note just in general
[1:21:04]
is that English learners obviously they
[1:21:06]
do perform not as well on MCCAST when
[1:21:09]
they're within their first few years of
[1:21:10]
being in this country. I mean, I think
[1:21:12]
any of us who went to another country in
[1:21:13]
the first two years are not going to do
[1:21:15]
great on a standardized test. Um,
[1:21:17]
however, our former English learners,
[1:21:19]
and I believe this is a statistic in
[1:21:21]
Massachusetts overall, but former
[1:21:22]
English learners actually outperform
[1:21:24]
their native English-speaking peers once
[1:21:27]
they
[1:21:28]
become once they fle or become a former
[1:21:31]
English learner. So, and and this is for
[1:21:34]
all of the reasons that we know like
[1:21:36]
bilingualism and dual language. And
[1:21:38]
that's why we have um a global studies
[1:21:41]
school. And that's why it would be
[1:21:42]
amazing if we could expand dual language
[1:21:44]
because we know that the uh bilingual
[1:21:47]
brain works a little differently and is
[1:21:49]
able to once catching up it in the
[1:21:52]
language is able to demonstrate
[1:21:54]
proficiency. So when they're not when a
[1:21:56]
student who is an English learner is not
[1:21:58]
performing well on a test, it is not
[1:22:00]
simp it's not because they are not able
[1:22:03]
to. It's because they just have not
[1:22:04]
reached that level of academic English
[1:22:06]
to be able to demonstrate what they
[1:22:08]
know. So
[1:22:09]
>> thank you.
[1:22:10]
for that clarification. I
[1:22:12]
think that no matter what country you
[1:22:13]
go, if you speak a different language,
[1:22:15]
you're not going to score high on a
[1:22:17]
MCAST or any other um screening they
[1:22:19]
have because it's very difficult because
[1:22:21]
that's not your, you know, native
[1:22:22]
language. But I think that we need to
[1:22:25]
look also the other aspects of like a
[1:22:26]
math science how we're new um comers in
[1:22:29]
the ESL um second language or scoring
[1:22:32]
because that would be a good thing to
[1:22:33]
say yeah we might know not know the
[1:22:35]
English language but we are able to also
[1:22:39]
succeed in science and math. So I think
[1:22:41]
that's something that we need to look at
[1:22:43]
what the data is what the scores are.
[1:22:45]
But I do appreciate that you clarify
[1:22:48]
that cuz a lot of it after you learn the
[1:22:50]
language and able to know your skills of
[1:22:52]
writing and you know you are able to
[1:22:55]
basically score higher and I do apprec
[1:22:58]
appreciate the the clarification. Thank
[1:23:00]
you, Mu. And then Miss Zach.
[1:23:03]
>> And
[1:23:03]
>> oh,
[1:23:07]
go ahead.
[1:23:09]
>> And as someone that was in the bilingual
[1:23:12]
program, um I would like that as a
[1:23:16]
district we continue to support them in
[1:23:18]
the classroom. Uh meaning like can we
[1:23:21]
have extra teachers there to support
[1:23:23]
them? Can we um offer more reading
[1:23:26]
opportunities for them to read? So I
[1:23:28]
hope that that will be a continuing area
[1:23:30]
we will continue to um invest because
[1:23:34]
like I said as someone that was in those
[1:23:36]
classroom we do need that support. So we
[1:23:39]
might be able to do well in math when we
[1:23:41]
come from our home country but again for
[1:23:44]
me I didn't know anything. I couldn't
[1:23:46]
even say the single word in English. So
[1:23:49]
for me that that boost or that extra
[1:23:52]
support I think would have um would have
[1:23:55]
gave me faster to learning the English
[1:23:57]
language. So thank you.
[1:23:59]
>> Thank you. Um two point of information I
[1:24:03]
would like to share before we move on.
[1:24:05]
Um as far as the transportation aspect,
[1:24:08]
this committee did request an
[1:24:10]
appropriate amount. It just was not
[1:24:12]
funded to that level. Uh and the other
[1:24:15]
thing is we have not yet voted for the
[1:24:17]
new focus indicator. So as uh the
[1:24:20]
superintendent said, if anybody has, you
[1:24:23]
know, suggestions or recommendations,
[1:24:25]
send them over before when we have to
[1:24:28]
vote to accept the new focus indicators.
[1:24:30]
That way it's all incorporated. If she
[1:24:32]
needs to go over any of those, she can
[1:24:34]
with us and we can have a final
[1:24:35]
discussion.
[1:24:37]
Um now we can move on to uh 3B which is
[1:24:41]
items to refer to subcommittee.
[1:24:46]
» Oh also Mr. Sullivan are you still with
[1:24:48]
us?
[1:24:50]
>> Yes I am.
[1:24:51]
>> Any questions?
[1:24:53]
>> No.
[1:24:56]
» All right. Um seeing none we will move
[1:25:00]
on to agenda item four which is the
[1:25:02]
consent agenda. What's the will of the
[1:25:04]
committee? [clears throat]
[1:25:11]
Mr.
[1:25:12]
>> Oh, go ahead. Nope. If you had
[1:25:14]
questions.
[1:25:14]
>> Uh, can I pull out uh D?
[1:25:20]
>> Okay. Uh, is there any other items that
[1:25:23]
folks want to pull out?
[1:25:26]
>> We I'd like to just recognize um letter
[1:25:29]
B and letter C. Um, so we don't really
[1:25:32]
need to pull them up, but I just wanted
[1:25:34]
to recognize them and recognize those
[1:25:36]
two donations.
[1:25:37]
>> Okay. We'll start with Mr. Pin and then
[1:25:40]
um let's say Zach, you can recognize
[1:25:42]
those and then we'll take them all
[1:25:43]
together. So motion to take um D out of order and discuss it now.
[1:25:52]
>> Yeah. Um
[1:25:54]
so again I I sent this to the
[1:25:56]
superintendent beforehand so that she
[1:25:58]
would uh be not surprised by the
[1:26:01]
question. Um so the question is who
[1:26:03]
currently performs the functions
[1:26:05]
assigned to the uh proposed benefits
[1:26:08]
coordinator? What is the fully loaded
[1:26:10]
annual cost of this position? And what
[1:26:14]
analysis uh demonstrates that adding
[1:26:17]
another position
[1:26:19]
uh is
[1:26:20]
>> D is not um it's acceptance of donation.
[1:26:24]
>> Oh no.
[1:26:25]
>> Are you looking at the right
[1:26:27]
>> we're on you're looking at agenda
[1:26:30]
>> new business.
[1:26:31]
>> You want to new business?
[1:26:32]
>> My bad.
[1:26:33]
>> All right. So in that case we'll
[1:26:34]
[laughter] go back.
[1:26:35]
>> My bad.
[1:26:36]
>> No worries. Uh Miss A.
[1:26:38]
>> My eyes they're burning.
[1:26:40]
>> Thank you. Um so letter B is acceptance
[1:26:43]
of donation for back to school teacher
[1:26:45]
appreciation event from AJ Deansa
[1:26:48]
Foundation and World Vision. Um let me
[1:26:51]
see if I can find it here.
[1:26:54]
I think my book is a little out of order
[1:26:56]
so I apologize.
[1:27:02]
So um it's our pleasure to accept a
[1:27:04]
generous donation of backpacks, lunch
[1:27:06]
bags, school Hold on one second. I think
[1:27:09]
this is out of order. military.
[1:27:10]
>> That's it. Um, school supplies, um,
[1:27:13]
classroom supplies, cups, coffee makers,
[1:27:15]
fans, and SEI kits from AJ Debansa, the
[1:27:18]
AJ Debansa Foundation, and the World
[1:27:20]
Vision as a back to school teacher
[1:27:22]
appreciation event for the for the YMCA
[1:27:25]
in the Brockton public schools. Um,
[1:27:28]
again, you know, this is one of our
[1:27:30]
students that has um is very successful
[1:27:33]
right now and he is doing what we're all
[1:27:36]
doing, we all try to do is you give back
[1:27:38]
to your community. So, you know, we just
[1:27:40]
wanted to acknowledge that and thank him
[1:27:41]
and thank the foundation for remembering
[1:27:43]
our school. Um, and then the second one
[1:27:48]
is the
[1:27:51]
this one um Angela School. So, I happen
[1:27:54]
to be talking to the principal that day.
[1:27:56]
So, that one we have acceptance of
[1:27:59]
donation for Angela School from Mr.
[1:28:01]
James Wade of Costco wholesale. So,
[1:28:04]
thank you to Costco. Um, again, local
[1:28:06]
businesses remembering our students. So,
[1:28:09]
it's um it is our pleasure to accept a
[1:28:11]
generous donation of $500 along with 160
[1:28:14]
backpacks from Mr. James Wade of Costco
[1:28:18]
wholesale which will be used to support
[1:28:20]
our Angelo school students. The
[1:28:21]
backpacks will help students or student
[1:28:24]
organization and help strengthen the
[1:28:26]
homeschool connection and the money will
[1:28:28]
go towards activities and events to
[1:28:30]
continue continue to strengthen our
[1:28:32]
positive school culture. Um, and this
[1:28:34]
donation was made possible through the
[1:28:35]
generosity of Costco Wholesale. Um, so
[1:28:39]
thank you to Costco again. Um, you know,
[1:28:42]
it's wonderful to always see whether
[1:28:44]
it's our alumni or whether it's local
[1:28:46]
businesses giving back to our students
[1:28:48]
and our community and even our staff.
[1:28:49]
So, this is awesome. So, we definitely
[1:28:51]
always want to acknowledge them.
[1:28:52]
Hopefully, I I caught everyone, but
[1:28:55]
thank you.
[1:28:56]
>> Thank you. Um, anyone else? Mr.
[1:28:59]
Rodriguez.
[1:29:00]
>> Um,
[1:29:02]
superintendent, just on the uh on the
[1:29:03]
approval of the grants. I know we've
[1:29:05]
discussed this um prior to you and also
[1:29:07]
when you first arrived, if we can just
[1:29:10]
get a breakdown of the grants online
[1:29:11]
item, you know, as far as what's being
[1:29:13]
spent on salary and supplies. I know
[1:29:15]
we've we we have done it, but it's uh
[1:29:18]
not on this one. So, just want to make
[1:29:19]
sure that
[1:29:20]
>> Oh, to send it to every
[1:29:22]
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[1:29:23]
>> Um, thanks.
[1:29:24]
>> What's the will of the committee?
[1:29:27]
>> Mr. Pina,
[1:29:28]
>> I'm sorry. I just had one question. I
[1:29:30]
found the question. Yes. I apologize for
[1:29:32]
my issue with my eyes. Um as as uh as we
[1:29:36]
approve these grants and and we end up
[1:29:40]
approving uh I mean getting a lot of
[1:29:42]
grants. It's a a great deal.
[1:29:44]
>> Um I believe the city comm city council
[1:29:48]
uh was surprised that we got the amount
[1:29:50]
in grants as I remember watching that uh
[1:29:54]
that happen. So, as as we get this money
[1:29:57]
and we get these grants, what student
[1:29:59]
outcomes um are attached to the spending
[1:30:03]
and and will the committee uh get those
[1:30:06]
reports and to determine whether these
[1:30:07]
programs actually work uh before we
[1:30:10]
continue to expand them?
[1:30:11]
>> Yes. So, when you um write a grant or
[1:30:14]
apply for a grant, establishing goals is
[1:30:18]
part of uh the grant process and it's
[1:30:21]
actually in our grant manual as well. Um
[1:30:23]
there's a step-by-step framework um
[1:30:25]
regarding our expectations for grant
[1:30:27]
application, grant management. And so
[1:30:29]
each grant that we receive um carries
[1:30:32]
outcome and reporting requirements uh
[1:30:34]
set by the funer and the administration.
[1:30:36]
And it aligns each program to our
[1:30:38]
district's priorities. So depending on
[1:30:41]
the grant's purpose, programs are
[1:30:43]
measured on student achievement and
[1:30:44]
academic growth, attendance and
[1:30:46]
engagement, English learner progress and
[1:30:48]
language acquisition, access to
[1:30:50]
specialized services and interventions,
[1:30:53]
college and career readiness indicators
[1:30:54]
or program participation and completion
[1:30:56]
rates. So those are the major areas. So
[1:30:59]
before recommending that any grant
[1:31:01]
funded program continues um the
[1:31:04]
administration will review their the
[1:31:06]
outcomes against uh the program's
[1:31:09]
targets whether or not the program was
[1:31:11]
implemented as it was designed uh the
[1:31:13]
participation levels and the alignment
[1:31:15]
with again our district strategic
[1:31:17]
priorities and pro programs that are not
[1:31:19]
meeting those targets are adjusted or
[1:31:21]
not recommended for renewal. Um and so
[1:31:25]
uh I can give you some examples of that.
[1:31:27]
So for example, last year we received a
[1:31:29]
grant from Massachusetts Afterchool
[1:31:31]
Partnership or MAP to run afterchool
[1:31:33]
programming for students at Champion.
[1:31:36]
And so from the first day, uh there was
[1:31:39]
tracking on if students were attending
[1:31:41]
the program and if they were continuing
[1:31:43]
to return to the program. That was one
[1:31:45]
of the items that we were looking at. As
[1:31:47]
the year went on, more students joined
[1:31:49]
and attendance kept climbing. Um so that
[1:31:51]
told us that students wanted to be
[1:31:53]
there. Um [snorts] then there was survey
[1:31:56]
data. Um so they surveyed the students
[1:31:59]
about what they enjoyed and what they
[1:32:01]
wanted the um the program to do better.
[1:32:04]
And then they we use those answers to
[1:32:07]
plan the next round. um parents and
[1:32:10]
families actually also started to join
[1:32:12]
uh in the afterchool activities and so
[1:32:14]
that was actually an unanticipated um
[1:32:17]
result but that was great and so that's
[1:32:19]
how we knew that the program was working
[1:32:21]
was based based on the students u
[1:32:23]
participation and their survey results
[1:32:26]
um another example uh would be the prism
[1:32:29]
grant which includes goal setting action
[1:32:31]
planning and monitoring as a regular
[1:32:33]
part of the work so one of our k3 goals
[1:32:35]
for prism for example is By June 2027,
[1:32:39]
at least 73% of students in grades K to
[1:32:42]
1, up from 53% in June of 2026, and at
[1:32:45]
least 67% of students in grades 2 to
[1:32:48]
three, up from 47.5%
[1:32:51]
in June of 2026, will meet or exceed the
[1:32:53]
end of grade level benchmarks. So again,
[1:32:56]
we look at um so we'll set the goals and
[1:32:59]
then we'll measure the prog measure the
[1:33:01]
grant against those goals. Um so for
[1:33:04]
this one in particular, they'll be
[1:33:05]
looking at composite scores of Dibbles
[1:33:07]
assessment um
[1:33:10]
on and and looking at the individual
[1:33:12]
student groups as well.
[1:33:14]
>> Are are we able to um I know there's a
[1:33:16]
dashboard for the money side of this,
[1:33:18]
but is are we able to see as the
[1:33:21]
committee how those are performing? And
[1:33:23]
when you said administration, do you
[1:33:25]
mean like do you have a a subcommittee
[1:33:27]
within your administration that reviews
[1:33:29]
the grants or are you part of that? So
[1:33:30]
it's the grants director who supports
[1:33:33]
the those who are applying for the
[1:33:35]
grants and then who are implementing the
[1:33:37]
grants and we do have a a and she comes
[1:33:39]
and does a quarterly report. So what we
[1:33:42]
can do for her next quarterly report is
[1:33:44]
she can certainly provide um that
[1:33:47]
information on because I know in the
[1:33:49]
past few she's been providing here are
[1:33:50]
the number of grants we've applied for,
[1:33:52]
here's how much we received, um here's
[1:33:55]
sort of what they were uh supporting um
[1:33:58]
and and things like that. And so what we
[1:34:00]
could do for the next one is talk more
[1:34:02]
about the goal setting.
[1:34:03]
>> And lastly, I would just add that um to
[1:34:06]
put our um colleagues and the council's
[1:34:09]
mind at ease and we uh ensure that it's
[1:34:14]
we can show what these funds are being
[1:34:16]
spent on
[1:34:17]
>> and that they're not being um mismanaged
[1:34:19]
or misused, which I'm not saying they
[1:34:21]
are, but I'm just saying
[1:34:23]
>> um that they're actually have a a
[1:34:24]
purpose and and why we're using them and
[1:34:26]
that we need them.
[1:34:28]
>> Yes, absolutely. I mean, yes, our grant
[1:34:30]
funding is really important and we see
[1:34:32]
what happens, right, when a a grant or a
[1:34:34]
funding source like for Discovering
[1:34:36]
Justice doesn't return. So, they do have
[1:34:38]
actual impacts on our programming and
[1:34:41]
our students. So, thank you. Yes.
[1:34:44]
>> Any other questions?
[1:34:46]
>> No. What's the will of the committee as
[1:34:48]
far as the consent agenda?
[1:34:52]
» Motion to approve um as a whole. Is
[1:34:56]
there a B CDE E FG?
[1:34:58]
>> Seconded.
[1:34:59]
>> Motion has been properly made and second
[1:35:01]
to approve consent agenda. I'll read it
[1:35:03]
into the record. A approval of minutes
[1:35:06]
accounts review subcommittee meeting
[1:35:08]
July 7, 2026. B accept acceptance of
[1:35:11]
donation back to school teacher
[1:35:12]
appreciation event from AJ Debasta
[1:35:15]
Foundation and World Vision. C.
[1:35:17]
Acceptance of donation Angelo school
[1:35:18]
from Mr. James Wade of Costco wholesale.
[1:35:22]
D. Acceptance of donation BPS athletic
[1:35:24]
department from Franklin Cummings Tech.
[1:35:27]
Uh F approval of community schools
[1:35:29]
advisory board. F E I'm sorry. F is
[1:35:34]
approval of Reed's collaborative
[1:35:35]
quarterly report overview September
[1:35:37]
2026. G request for authorization to
[1:35:40]
accept proposing expenditures of funds
[1:35:42]
FY27 21st CC continuation and
[1:35:46]
enhancement grant in the amount of
[1:35:49]
$678,720.
[1:35:52]
Uh FY27 Commonwealth Preschool
[1:35:54]
Partnership Initiative grant in the
[1:35:56]
amount of $671,695.
[1:36:01]
FY2721st
[1:36:03]
CCLC continuation and enhancement grant
[1:36:06]
summer in the amount of $190,000.
[1:36:10]
FY27 coordinated family and community
[1:36:13]
enhance engagement grant CFCE in the
[1:36:16]
amount of $158,573
[1:36:20]
and FY27 CTE frameworks in competency
[1:36:24]
based implementation grant in the amount
[1:36:26]
of $25,000.
[1:36:28]
A motion has been made improperly.
[1:36:30]
Second, Miss Inte,
[1:36:31]
>> I actually have a question
[1:36:32]
>> on the motion.
[1:36:33]
>> Yes. Um, I wanted more clarification on
[1:36:37]
E and F. I just thought we was only
[1:36:39]
talking about donations.
[1:36:41]
Um, can I just have can I just ask you a
[1:36:44]
question
[1:36:45]
>> on the motion? Can I ask a question?
[1:36:49]
for so for the community advisory school
[1:36:51]
board.
[1:36:53]
>> Um
[1:36:55]
I wanted to know like what was the
[1:36:57]
process
[1:36:58]
for for creating this this revision?
[1:37:01]
>> Yes.
[1:37:02]
>> And also who was part of it?
[1:37:04]
>> Yes. Um so it was a multi-step process
[1:37:07]
that um where we actually had to look um
[1:37:11]
and it was guided by uh Dr. um Sariah
[1:37:15]
Daros. Um, so the community schools
[1:37:18]
advisory board, the the the bylaws and
[1:37:22]
the way it was structured before, I
[1:37:23]
believe was somewhat outdated. That was
[1:37:25]
actually something that was brought up
[1:37:26]
here at this committee. Um, and so we
[1:37:30]
she was um wonderful in being able to
[1:37:32]
provide a lot of institutional knowledge
[1:37:35]
and old documents for how community
[1:37:38]
schools was actually established in the
[1:37:39]
first place, how it evolved over time.
[1:37:42]
um she actually provided some
[1:37:43]
information that Kathy Smith uh had
[1:37:46]
provided regarding like again the
[1:37:48]
genesis over time. And so basically the
[1:37:50]
advisory board
[1:37:52]
served a community schools that no
[1:37:54]
longer exists like in the format that
[1:37:57]
it's in. And so in updating it, she
[1:38:01]
wanted it to be a more meaningful
[1:38:03]
process with more meaningful engagement.
[1:38:05]
Right. Right now I believe some of you
[1:38:07]
have participated in those meetings. Um
[1:38:09]
I believe Miss Oliver and Mr. Rodriguez
[1:38:11]
have gone to those meetings. They're
[1:38:12]
more um reporting out and there's 11
[1:38:16]
members and there's not it's a little
[1:38:18]
bit unclear what the selection process
[1:38:20]
is. Um but we worked on and she went
[1:38:24]
through several revisions of figuring
[1:38:25]
out what would be best um ser what would
[1:38:28]
best serve the community schools model.
[1:38:30]
So it's very it's similar to what we
[1:38:32]
already have but is just updated um and
[1:38:35]
would be uh more supportive of her
[1:38:37]
process. So she worked with her
[1:38:38]
supervisor, worked with Dr. Labilwa, um
[1:38:42]
got feedback from her stakeholders and
[1:38:44]
put together uh this revision um that
[1:38:47]
she would like to put into place
[1:38:48]
immediately. Uh so she normally does
[1:38:50]
have four quarterly meetings, I believe,
[1:38:52]
that um y'all would be invited to. You
[1:38:54]
would still continue to be on the the
[1:38:57]
board. It's just it would go from, I
[1:38:59]
believe, 11 or 13 members down to seven.
[1:39:01]
and she's very specific about who would
[1:39:03]
be part of that because I believe there
[1:39:06]
were there the membership um uh yeah
[1:39:09]
didn't serve our current needs
[1:39:12]
>> and I'm all about trying to be
[1:39:14]
transparent to our community. Can you um
[1:39:17]
can you explain to the community the
[1:39:19]
seven members that that should be part
[1:39:22]
of this um this board?
[1:39:26]
>> Absolutely. And so I'm happy to read it,
[1:39:28]
but also if it would be okay. Um, Dr.
[1:39:30]
Daris couldn't be here with us tonight,
[1:39:32]
but Matt Campbell is here and so he may
[1:39:34]
be able to shed some light on some of
[1:39:36]
these uh on the the change in the
[1:39:39]
advisory board if that's okay. But I am
[1:39:42]
happy to um
[1:39:45]
sorry
[1:39:48]
um
[1:39:49]
>> ask questions.
[1:39:54]
Thank you.
[1:39:55]
>> Okay. Well, what do you guys want?
[1:39:57]
>> You can sit right here.
[1:39:58]
>> We are a team.
[1:40:01]
Put them on the spot.
[1:40:03]
>> I do have additional questions, though.
[1:40:06]
>> Well, I'll do the best I can to answer
[1:40:07]
them.
[1:40:07]
>> I appreciate that.
[1:40:09]
>> Uh, super. Uh, hi.
[1:40:12]
>> Hello.
[1:40:13]
>> I'm Matt Campbell. I'm a coordinator at
[1:40:14]
the community schools. Uh, what's
[1:40:17]
happened in the past is we have a very
[1:40:18]
large advisory board committee that has
[1:40:22]
it. it's very very difficult to schedule
[1:40:24]
the quarterly meetings because when you
[1:40:26]
have a lot of people a lot of people
[1:40:28]
have a lot of stuff going on. So what's
[1:40:31]
happened really all through last year
[1:40:34]
and off and on through the I think eight
[1:40:36]
years I've been part of the community
[1:40:38]
schools
[1:40:39]
uh we you schedule a meeting the
[1:40:42]
invitations go out as it currently
[1:40:44]
stands there's members of the city
[1:40:45]
council there's community members people
[1:40:49]
who used to be parents the it has been a
[1:40:52]
very it's it's very difficult to get
[1:40:54]
everyone in the same spot at the same
[1:40:57]
time I know we've run up against a
[1:40:59]
couple years ago
[1:41:01]
you guys and it wasn't necessarily all
[1:41:02]
of you but the school committee had
[1:41:05]
subcommittee meetings you know at
[1:41:09]
7 6:30 we would have a meeting at 6:00
[1:41:12]
which okay you're not that's that's
[1:41:14]
difficult thing so we've had a lot of
[1:41:15]
scheduling problems uh as the
[1:41:17]
superintendent said this community
[1:41:19]
schools was founded eons ago when this
[1:41:22]
building opened and for those of you
[1:41:25]
that don't know it is the deal that got
[1:41:27]
this high school made
[1:41:30]
This high school was controversial when
[1:41:32]
it was open because it was moving from
[1:41:34]
downtown over to the west side. And the
[1:41:38]
one of the things that got this high
[1:41:39]
school approved and built was the
[1:41:42]
agreement that the community school all
[1:41:44]
the other elementary schools and over
[1:41:46]
time it's grown into the junior highs
[1:41:48]
will be open for the community
[1:41:52]
at night many nights during the week.
[1:41:55]
Now obviously over time the community
[1:41:57]
schools has evolved. Uh what's Dr. De
[1:42:00]
Barrow is trying to do is get a workable
[1:42:03]
group to kind of be a steering committee
[1:42:05]
for what we do. Uh and what we do is I
[1:42:09]
think as all of you know and I think
[1:42:10]
most people that are watching at home
[1:42:13]
know we have a very wide and varied sort
[1:42:16]
of platform and you know the British
[1:42:19]
would say our brief is extensive. Uh
[1:42:24]
Dr. Dr. Dearis has outlined she would
[1:42:25]
like a s a designate from the
[1:42:27]
superintendent. In the past, we've
[1:42:29]
always had an administrator outside the
[1:42:31]
community schools on it. Uh one city
[1:42:33]
counselor at large or a mayor's
[1:42:36]
designate. We've have ward counselors
[1:42:38]
before, but if that represents one ward,
[1:42:41]
it would be helpful if we had somebody
[1:42:42]
who sort of is responsible for the whole
[1:42:45]
city. And if they're unable, I think the
[1:42:47]
mayor's designate sort of covers that.
[1:42:50]
uh a school committee member which would
[1:42:53]
obviously be you all of you uh the
[1:42:56]
director of the community schools sort
[1:42:57]
of chairs the meeting and runs the
[1:42:59]
meeting not not dissimilar to what uh
[1:43:01]
Dr.
[1:43:03]
does in front of all of you. Uh and
[1:43:05]
three community members uh ideally
[1:43:09]
people that are in the school system
[1:43:11]
that are have children in the school cit
[1:43:14]
system reside in Brockton. So they kind
[1:43:17]
of get the idea of people being inside
[1:43:20]
the schools but also in the community
[1:43:23]
have kids coming up or in the school
[1:43:26]
system. So they're sort of, you know,
[1:43:28]
rather than just doing the same thing
[1:43:29]
every year, they provide a little bit
[1:43:31]
more insight as to what parents want,
[1:43:34]
what the kids want, what people need,
[1:43:36]
and how we are going forward.
[1:43:41]
» Um, well, thank you for clarifying the
[1:43:44]
community members because when you say
[1:43:46]
community members, I'm just thinking
[1:43:49]
um parents that's not working in the
[1:43:52]
schools or caregivers. And I think in
[1:43:56]
order for us to allow a voice to be
[1:43:59]
heard, um I guess my question to you is
[1:44:03]
uh why are we specifically well prefer
[1:44:08]
someone that's working in our school to
[1:44:10]
be part of this? The reason why is
[1:44:13]
because we also have that they can get
[1:44:15]
compensated.
[1:44:16]
Um
[1:44:18]
which is great, right? Like we don't
[1:44:19]
want anyone to work for free. Uh but I I
[1:44:23]
do want more clarification first on
[1:44:25]
paying them. But why not allow this
[1:44:28]
opportunity to be for those that's not a
[1:44:32]
someone that works within our schools?
[1:44:34]
>> We are a school I can answer that
[1:44:36]
actually. Hopefully it's an acceptable
[1:44:38]
answer. Uh we are a school program.
[1:44:43]
There is a lot of people that would you
[1:44:46]
know that feel the community schools is
[1:44:48]
outside of the Brockton public schools
[1:44:50]
or that we're on or that we are run by
[1:44:53]
the city or we are a nonprofit that is
[1:44:56]
existing and there are some fine
[1:44:58]
nonprofits. We are run by the schools.
[1:45:00]
What we have found over the course of
[1:45:02]
time is the best advice we get is when
[1:45:05]
with a smaller group of people is to get
[1:45:08]
people who sort of understand how the
[1:45:10]
school system works and also have
[1:45:14]
children in the school system. So they
[1:45:17]
sort of bridge both you know the school
[1:45:19]
system because there's a lot of stuff
[1:45:21]
that parent you know internal workings
[1:45:23]
and processes that you know
[1:45:28]
need to be followed. They have an
[1:45:30]
understanding of that. They also have
[1:45:31]
all the parent perspectives of, you
[1:45:33]
know, going to little league on a Friday
[1:45:35]
night or going to youth soccer on a
[1:45:38]
Saturday morning, going to the play,
[1:45:41]
going to the art, you know, whatever art
[1:45:43]
program here. So, what we're trying to
[1:45:45]
do is hit as many different groups
[1:45:47]
because a lot of our a lot of people in
[1:45:51]
the community schools that use the
[1:45:52]
community schools are
[1:45:57]
part of the community, but they're also
[1:45:58]
working here as part of the school
[1:46:01]
system. They're also working as part of
[1:46:03]
the the city. and we're trying to get as
[1:46:06]
many different perspectives and as many
[1:46:08]
different ideas
[1:46:10]
while still sort of maintaining our
[1:46:12]
presence as a school department.
[1:46:16]
>> I'm still struggling with that part.
[1:46:18]
Well, um, can we try to figure out if we
[1:46:21]
for the three community members? I guess
[1:46:23]
I understand where you're coming from,
[1:46:25]
right? like the that we would like
[1:46:26]
parents that are teachers to be part of
[1:46:30]
this, but I also don't want the ones
[1:46:33]
that wants their voice to be heard that
[1:46:36]
not in our school um that's not inside
[1:46:38]
of our schools to miss this opportunity.
[1:46:42]
So like for example, I do have a lot of
[1:46:44]
parents that's part of the DPAC and they
[1:46:47]
have been asking how can they be
[1:46:49]
involved? How can they um voices be
[1:46:52]
heard? Um, are we open to instead of
[1:46:56]
three community members to only be
[1:46:57]
people that work in our schools, can we
[1:46:59]
allow two to be two of them to be part
[1:47:03]
of the school system and one from a
[1:47:09]
parent advisory group that is invested.
[1:47:11]
I do understand about the scheduling
[1:47:13]
because it happens here with us too,
[1:47:15]
right? Scheduling with multiple people
[1:47:17]
takes time and a lot of times things
[1:47:19]
don't get done. But we do have a lot of
[1:47:22]
invested parents like I said the one
[1:47:24]
that's part of um a parent advisory
[1:47:28]
group. Can we start tapping into them to
[1:47:31]
see is this something that um they want
[1:47:34]
to be part of? And now if they are not
[1:47:37]
and we can't find anybody of course I
[1:47:39]
want us to move forward. So is that
[1:47:41]
something that you can think about and
[1:47:44]
explore even if it's not this year is
[1:47:47]
that something that we can start? I'm
[1:47:49]
not in a position right here to approve
[1:47:52]
or disapprove anything. Certainly
[1:47:54]
something I can bring back to the
[1:47:55]
superintendent and Dr. Dearos for
[1:47:58]
consideration. I don't have the
[1:48:00]
authority to sit here and say yes, we're
[1:48:02]
going to have somebody from the uh
[1:48:04]
special education pack or you know the
[1:48:07]
George school or any other pack or any
[1:48:09]
of the other packs beyond the community
[1:48:12]
schools. In the past, I know going back
[1:48:16]
several years, I used to go to a lot of
[1:48:18]
the pack meetings. When I first got this
[1:48:20]
job, one of the things that I was asked
[1:48:22]
to do was this actually predates Dr.
[1:48:24]
Deberos. I was assigned to go to a lot
[1:48:27]
of the pack meetings to try and re, you
[1:48:29]
know, that is something that I think we
[1:48:32]
could revisit as well. And I can, you
[1:48:34]
know, I'm sure we could all do that, but
[1:48:36]
I can bring that to Dr. Dearos.
[1:48:38]
>> I appreciate that. Uh again um I am a
[1:48:42]
parent but I'm also I do try to make it
[1:48:45]
a priority to attend these pack
[1:48:46]
meetings. Uh and one of the ongoing
[1:48:50]
concern is how can they voice be heard
[1:48:53]
and I think this would be a great start
[1:48:55]
in a um and a great opportunity. Um, so
[1:48:58]
I don't have any more questions for this
[1:49:01]
for today, but I also don't I'm not sure
[1:49:04]
if we're ready to vote if I feel like
[1:49:06]
there's some pending
[1:49:08]
clarification as far as the three
[1:49:11]
community members. I mean, I'm open for
[1:49:14]
a discussion from you guys and to see
[1:49:16]
how we can go about this.
[1:49:18]
>> Um, Mr. Rodriguez,
[1:49:21]
>> thank you. um you can pull it out um for
[1:49:25]
further review or um recommendations and
[1:49:27]
take it up on the next committee
[1:49:28]
meeting. Just need to make the motion
[1:49:30]
put on the floor. But this is I believe
[1:49:32]
this is the second time that we're
[1:49:35]
restructuring community schools advisory
[1:49:36]
board. I remember when I first got on
[1:49:37]
there was about like 20 something to 30
[1:49:39]
members
[1:49:40]
>> since I've been in I started in I think
[1:49:43]
2019.
[1:49:45]
This is the second restructuring. We
[1:49:47]
went from over 20 people at the first
[1:49:49]
meetings down to 13. And it is still a
[1:49:53]
struggle to get
[1:49:55]
we at that point when we had 20 we had
[1:50:00]
a wide variety of people and it was very
[1:50:03]
difficult to schedule a meeting. So we
[1:50:05]
are trying to hone down.
[1:50:07]
>> Yeah. Um my my only recommendation would
[1:50:10]
be I know the committee we've added uh
[1:50:13]
second members to some of the you know
[1:50:15]
through save our sports and um
[1:50:19]
uh other committees. So I I would like
[1:50:21]
to see two members of this committee uh
[1:50:23]
remain on uh community schools and I do
[1:50:26]
agree with um member CentO to uh look at
[1:50:30]
other options of how we want to
[1:50:31]
structure it because that you know we're
[1:50:32]
the final approval on it. So any
[1:50:34]
recommendations uh we could forward it
[1:50:36]
to the superintendent um to get
[1:50:38]
something teed up. So
[1:50:41]
>> Miss Isak,
[1:50:42]
>> thank you. Um actually, [clears throat]
[1:50:44]
um Mr. Rodriguez touched base on two of
[1:50:47]
the items I was going to mention is um
[1:50:49]
the way this was written, I read it as
[1:50:52]
three community members, not BPS
[1:50:55]
employees.
[1:50:56]
>> Yeah. So that's how I understood it
[1:50:58]
because I do agree we should have the
[1:51:00]
community and if you want to have
[1:51:01]
employees that's fine but I read it as
[1:51:05]
community members within our community
[1:51:07]
parents or those that want to advocate
[1:51:09]
for our students. And then in our
[1:51:12]
subcommittee assignments we do have two
[1:51:14]
members. So that is part of our
[1:51:16]
subcommittee. So we do have the two
[1:51:18]
members there. And one other
[1:51:19]
recommendation I would make because it
[1:51:21]
kind of is contradicting but um we all
[1:51:25]
serve different wards and I think we
[1:51:28]
shouldn't just limit it to city
[1:51:29]
councilors because that's only four. We
[1:51:31]
should also just um city councils at
[1:51:33]
large. I think it should be rewarded and
[1:51:35]
have it be city counselor um because we
[1:51:40]
I get phone calls for all the schools
[1:51:42]
but if there's an issue I will reach out
[1:51:43]
to that school committee member first
[1:51:45]
and work with them and bring it to their
[1:51:46]
attention. So, there was some rewarding
[1:51:49]
here. Um, that was a little different,
[1:51:51]
but I thought it was going to be
[1:51:52]
community members. The way this was
[1:51:54]
written, I didn't realize it was just
[1:51:55]
going to be based on our, you know,
[1:51:58]
employees. Um, and I do remember cuz I
[1:52:00]
served that was the the year I served on
[1:52:02]
community schools and there was always
[1:52:04]
scheduling conflicts and it was just I
[1:52:06]
don't think we ever met to be honest
[1:52:07]
with you. Um, because it just kept
[1:52:09]
getting cancelled. So, it is hard to
[1:52:10]
coordinate. But, do they have to have a
[1:52:13]
quorum? I mean, I do they have the
[1:52:15]
bylaws as far as community schools,
[1:52:17]
>> you have to have a quorum.
[1:52:18]
>> Yeah. What is their quorum? The way that
[1:52:19]
the bylaws are written, can we see a
[1:52:21]
copy of the bylaws?
[1:52:22]
>> I don't have it in front of me. I I
[1:52:24]
think right now there's either 11 or 13
[1:52:27]
people on the committee and I want to
[1:52:30]
say the quorum is well be more than 50.
[1:52:32]
It's either six or seven. It's more than
[1:52:34]
seven.
[1:52:35]
>> Yeah, I would definitely like to um I
[1:52:37]
would, you know, with Miss Inte, Mr.
[1:52:38]
Rodriguez and any other member, I would
[1:52:40]
make a recommendation to remove this for
[1:52:42]
further discussion just so we can get
[1:52:44]
some clarification, review the bylaws
[1:52:46]
because again it was one member for
[1:52:48]
school committee and we did make we did
[1:52:51]
uh a revision and add an additional
[1:52:54]
school committee member um to make sure
[1:52:57]
there was representation at the
[1:52:58]
meetings. So whatever you know the will
[1:53:01]
of the committee but I [clears throat]
[1:53:03]
definitely would would prefer a little
[1:53:04]
more info on this. With that in mind,
[1:53:06]
then we would need to withdraw the
[1:53:08]
motion on the floor.
[1:53:09]
>> I will withdraw the motion.
[1:53:11]
>> Who second it?
[1:53:13]
>> Mina. Second it.
[1:53:14]
>> Um,
[1:53:15]
>> withdraw. Um, now I'll take a motion to
[1:53:19]
remove and postpone item E, approval of
[1:53:22]
community schools advisory board, if
[1:53:24]
that's the will of the committee.
[1:53:26]
Did Miss Antio have a second question or
[1:53:29]
was it just a
[1:53:30]
>> It's for um the reads collaborator but
[1:53:33]
if you want to take a motion on this
[1:53:35]
>> we can take a motion post
[1:53:36]
>> and then come back to my question. Yes.
[1:53:38]
>> Yes. What's the will of the committee?
[1:53:41]
>> She has to put a motion on.
[1:53:42]
>> Yes. I need a motion
[1:53:46]
>> the motion to take out
[1:53:49]
>> item E and postpone it to next meeting.
[1:53:52]
>> You just said it
[1:53:53]
>> motion as stated.
[1:53:55]
>> Thank you. Second.
[1:53:56]
>> Motion has been properly made in second.
[1:53:57]
Miss Conteo,
[1:53:59]
>> yes.
[1:53:59]
>> Miss Oliver,
[1:54:00]
>> yes.
[1:54:00]
>> Mr. Rodriguez,
[1:54:01]
>> yes.
[1:54:01]
>> Miss Azac,
[1:54:02]
>> yes.
[1:54:02]
>> Mr. Pina,
[1:54:03]
>> no.
[1:54:04]
>> Mr. Sullivan,
[1:54:06]
>> yes.
[1:54:07]
>> I'm a yes. As well, it carries. Um, now
[1:54:09]
we can go into the
[1:54:11]
>> Thank you.
[1:54:12]
>> F.
[1:54:14]
>> Um, my question is for the Ree
[1:54:17]
Collaborative. Um, thank you for
[1:54:19]
bringing this um forward. I know that we
[1:54:22]
spoke about this um and I understand
[1:54:24]
this is our third year that we are
[1:54:28]
partnered with them um and I'm sure this
[1:54:30]
business this has been a a critical uh
[1:54:34]
partnership. So my question for you is
[1:54:38]
um
[1:54:39]
my understanding is that the rea was
[1:54:41]
chosen from several collaboratives um
[1:54:45]
years ago and my question to you is have
[1:54:48]
you been happy with them? Um and two uh
[1:54:53]
would you would there ever be a reason
[1:54:55]
for us to switch? So if you can educate
[1:54:57]
us on that.
[1:54:58]
>> Yes, absolutely. So uh mo many school
[1:55:01]
districts do um choose to be part of
[1:55:04]
collaboratives because it does provide
[1:55:06]
us the ability to have services that we
[1:55:10]
can't provide um within the school
[1:55:12]
system and also provides us with
[1:55:14]
additional you know uh services and
[1:55:17]
testing that we wouldn't be able to
[1:55:19]
provide. And so I actually recently um
[1:55:23]
went back and watched one of the I think
[1:55:25]
one of the meetings where Dr. Labila was
[1:55:27]
presenting on some different
[1:55:28]
collaboratives and and the committee
[1:55:30]
chose the Reeds collaborative. Um and so
[1:55:32]
I think we are starting our third year.
[1:55:34]
Um and you do receive these quarterly
[1:55:36]
reports just to you know um keep you all
[1:55:39]
a breast of what is going on. They have
[1:55:41]
board meetings very similar to this uh
[1:55:44]
where superintendent and special
[1:55:45]
education directors will uh go to the
[1:55:48]
meetings um and you know they they we
[1:55:52]
vote on their uh approvals for new staff
[1:55:55]
and hiring and again very similar to
[1:55:58]
this board. Uh we have been very happy
[1:56:01]
with uh the reads collaborative and the
[1:56:03]
services they provided. In fact, we have
[1:56:05]
actually uh expanded sort of um the
[1:56:08]
testing support that we get from them.
[1:56:11]
So, it certainly and there is because
[1:56:12]
we're a collaborative board me uh member
[1:56:15]
um it it does end up being um
[1:56:20]
being more financially uh viable for us
[1:56:24]
to be able to provide these services
[1:56:25]
because we're part of the collaborative.
[1:56:27]
Um so, yes, we are very happy uh with
[1:56:29]
the collaborative. They're very uh
[1:56:31]
professional and organized. they address
[1:56:33]
issues in a timely manner. They actually
[1:56:35]
recently built a new facility. Um, and
[1:56:38]
so it's it's been a great collaboration.
[1:56:41]
It's that's a great question about if
[1:56:42]
there were ever a time we wanted to
[1:56:44]
switch collaboratives. Absolutely. I
[1:56:46]
believe that would be within our purview
[1:56:48]
if we were for some reason not happy
[1:56:51]
with our collaborative. Uh, but um, it
[1:56:53]
has been an extremely positive
[1:56:55]
experience and they have been very
[1:56:57]
responsive to our needs and they have
[1:56:59]
served our students very well. I'm happy
[1:57:01]
to hear that the partnership continues
[1:57:04]
to be strong and that it is supporting
[1:57:06]
our district. So, it sounds like for
[1:57:08]
right now, no changes needed. We're just
[1:57:10]
going to keep going, which is great.
[1:57:12]
Thank you. I don't have any more
[1:57:14]
questions now. We can get back to
[1:57:17]
>> any other members. See none, I'll take a
[1:57:19]
motion.
[1:57:21]
>> Motion to approve agenda A B C D FG.
[1:57:26]
>> Our motion has been made. Is there a
[1:57:27]
second?
[1:57:28]
>> Second. Motion has been properly made
[1:57:30]
and second. Um, I've already read the
[1:57:33]
same into the record. Miss Conteo,
[1:57:36]
>> yes. Miss Oliver,
[1:57:37]
>> yes.
[1:57:37]
>> Mr. Rodriguez,
[1:57:38]
>> yes.
[1:57:38]
>> Miss Azac,
[1:57:39]
>> yes.
[1:57:40]
>> Mr. Pina,
[1:57:40]
>> yes.
[1:57:41]
>> Mr. Sullivan,
[1:57:43]
>> yes.
[1:57:44]
>> I'm a yes as well. It carries. We will
[1:57:46]
move on to agenda item five, unfinished
[1:57:49]
business. Is there any unfinished
[1:57:51]
business?
[1:57:54]
Seeing none, we'll move on to agenda
[1:57:56]
item six, new businesses. We have items
[1:58:00]
A, B, C, D, and E. Um,
[1:58:04]
there's a few that we actually will be
[1:58:06]
taking out of this uh list, but I would
[1:58:10]
like to take a motion to approve the
[1:58:12]
ones that Miss Azac,
[1:58:14]
>> I'd like to remove um letter B
[1:58:19]
for for discussion if possible.
[1:58:20]
>> I was going to give it to you anyways.
[1:58:22]
Um
[1:58:24]
in that case, you can go ahead.
[1:58:26]
>> Okay. Um so earlier this evening around
[1:58:29]
six o'clock uh myself, Mr. Gomes um and
[1:58:32]
Miss Contento met for the building
[1:58:34]
naming subcommittee meeting and um we
[1:58:37]
had uh councelor Shirley Asac um
[1:58:41]
attended and so did uh Nancy Tucker and
[1:58:44]
a few others that um spoke about uh Dr.
[1:58:48]
Appling and um the recommendation to not
[1:58:53]
change the name of the street but to add
[1:58:57]
a memorial plaque um and name it Dr.
[1:59:00]
Appan. Believe it was Dr. Apple M her
[1:59:04]
middle initial. Um
[1:59:06]
>> so recommendation was made. It was
[1:59:08]
wonderful. We got to hear from um you
[1:59:10]
know sorority sisters uh part of but
[1:59:13]
there's a chapter that's here um in
[1:59:15]
Brockton. We heard from friends, family
[1:59:18]
and it was wonderful to acknowledge Dr.
[1:59:20]
Appling and um the leg the legacy that
[1:59:24]
she left behind. We do have many many
[1:59:26]
educators, many many staff over the
[1:59:28]
years that you know will be remembered
[1:59:32]
down the road but you know tonight was
[1:59:33]
about Dr. Appling and you know the
[1:59:36]
committee made a recommendation uh Mr.
[1:59:38]
Gomes made a motion and it was seconded
[1:59:40]
by Miss Centeo to move this to the
[1:59:41]
committee of a whole to make a
[1:59:43]
recommendation to um
[1:59:46]
name Memorial Drive which is the
[1:59:49]
entrance off of Forest A. So it's
[1:59:51]
Memorial Drive to name um put a plaque
[1:59:54]
at the Memorial Drive signage um reading
[1:59:58]
um
[2:00:01]
Dr. Claire M. Appling Way and if the
[2:00:05]
committee if we could vote on that this
[2:00:07]
evening. Um if anyone has any questions
[2:00:11]
or um
[2:00:14]
you know it was it was favorably moved
[2:00:16]
to the committee of a whole for further
[2:00:18]
discussion and for potential vote. And
[2:00:21]
we would if if it passes tonight then we
[2:00:25]
would like to have this uh taken care of
[2:00:27]
before the end of the year. have the memorial plaque put out
[2:00:33]
>> any uh Mr. P
[2:00:34]
>> make a motion to um to pass uh making
[2:00:38]
that the memorial memorial way whatever
[2:00:41]
she said over there
[2:00:42]
>> Dr. Appling Mr.
[2:00:44]
>> Claire M. App
[2:00:46]
>> second if I can.
[2:00:47]
>> A motion.
[2:00:48]
>> I feel like it would be nice if some of
[2:00:51]
the members here can hear one thing or
[2:00:53]
two about her. I think for me the
[2:00:55]
takeaway was that she was the first
[2:00:58]
woman in leadership role here at
[2:00:59]
Brockton Brockton High. And I feel like
[2:01:03]
we all should hear that piece um because
[2:01:05]
that's important. It's also important
[2:01:07]
for us women um to continue to take
[2:01:11]
bigger lead bigger role in all settings.
[2:01:14]
So um like you said there was many
[2:01:17]
friends and families that was here some
[2:01:20]
of them were colleague
[2:01:22]
>> um so just wanted to make that statement
[2:01:26]
before we um say yes and I'm ready.
[2:01:30]
>> Absolutely. I will um I'm going to try
[2:01:32]
to see Miss Tucker had uh emailed me her
[2:01:36]
presentation and I actually I just
[2:01:38]
logged off so give me two seconds. Um I
[2:01:42]
will go on. You know Dr. Appling um was
[2:01:45]
52 years of service at Brockton public
[2:01:47]
school system. Um you know she was
[2:01:50]
appointed to appointed one of the four
[2:01:53]
original house masters back then. That's
[2:01:55]
what we called them as housemasters. So,
[2:01:57]
she served she was with us from 1970 to
[2:01:59]
1999.
[2:02:01]
Um, you know, she she moved through the
[2:02:03]
ranks. Um, she was over at West it was
[2:02:06]
West Junior High School back then. Then
[2:02:08]
she went to the high school. It says
[2:02:10]
that she transferred in 1962 to Brockton
[2:02:12]
High School. Um, but just hearing about
[2:02:15]
um I would really love to
[2:02:18]
read some of the items here, but again,
[2:02:20]
those can watch it at the previous
[2:02:22]
meeting. I mean they talked about you
[2:02:24]
know we saw many of us saw Dr. Ablin and
[2:02:27]
I'll be honest it was intimidating um
[2:02:30]
she was a very strong strong um
[2:02:35]
you know principal here and to hear the
[2:02:38]
soft side of Dr. Appling was was amazing
[2:02:41]
and I just and I I mentioned it during
[2:02:43]
the meeting when I first [clears throat]
[2:02:45]
came on to the committee I just remember
[2:02:46]
I I was sitting next to her and I'm like
[2:02:48]
who would have ever thought here's me
[2:02:50]
class of 91 sitting Dr. next to Dr.
[2:02:53]
Appling and and I was like so
[2:02:55]
intimidated like I was nervous and then
[2:02:56]
I just looked over at her and she's like
[2:02:58]
she was so excited that Brockton public
[2:03:02]
schools still reaches out to her. They
[2:03:04]
were reaching out to her, inviting her
[2:03:06]
to the events and she was just so
[2:03:08]
honored to still have this welcome uh
[2:03:11]
invitation to the events and to be there
[2:03:13]
for our students. And I I believe it was
[2:03:15]
the superintendent's um you know they for the seniors they have the book
[2:03:19]
awards and I remember sitting next to
[2:03:21]
her for that and after just leaving
[2:03:23]
there I was just like oh my god she's
[2:03:25]
like the sweetest thing ever and then
[2:03:26]
listening to some of the um some of the
[2:03:30]
people that were here and just talking
[2:03:32]
about
[2:03:34]
her legacy and what she has left um for
[2:03:37]
Brockton. Yes, we have many many people
[2:03:39]
that need to be acknowledged but to
[2:03:41]
today was about her. So, I mean this I
[2:03:44]
can read it quickly. It's it's about a
[2:03:46]
page and a half. Um, you don't want me
[2:03:48]
to read it? [laughter]
[2:03:50]
>> Come on.
[2:03:50]
>> They can go watch the meeting if
[2:03:52]
>> they can go watch it. But she went
[2:03:53]
everything from, you know, uh helping
[2:03:56]
out the kids in in in her neighborhood
[2:03:58]
in the community through the holidays
[2:03:59]
and stuff and camps and it was just a
[2:04:02]
different side of her. So, I would
[2:04:03]
definitely definitely
[2:04:05]
>> recommend that people just go watch the
[2:04:07]
um building naming subcommittee and
[2:04:09]
listen listen to some of the
[2:04:11]
>> um statements people were making cuz you
[2:04:15]
know this is her legacy and honestly she
[2:04:17]
would be she'd be in awe you know having
[2:04:19]
[clears throat] this. So,
[2:04:20]
>> thank you Miss Azac.
[2:04:21]
>> Thank you.
[2:04:22]
>> Um a motion has been properly made in
[2:04:24]
second. Miss Inu,
[2:04:26]
>> yes.
[2:04:26]
>> Miss Oliver,
[2:04:27]
>> yes.
[2:04:27]
>> Mr. Rodriguez,
[2:04:28]
>> yes. Miss Azac,
[2:04:29]
>> yes. Mr. Pina,
[2:04:30]
>> yes.
[2:04:31]
>> Mr. Sullivan.
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>> Yes.
[2:04:33]
>> I'm a yes as well. It carries. Uh be I
[2:04:37]
do apologize. I missed item A, which is
[2:04:39]
discussion potential vote bid review
[2:04:41]
subcommittee meeting uh September 22nd
[2:04:44]
which was an off day. So we didn't get
[2:04:47]
to bring that to the whole committee.
[2:04:48]
Did we?
[2:04:50]
>> No.
[2:04:50]
So Mr. Rodriguez, my apologies.
[2:04:53]
>> Don't worry. Um on Tuesday uh September
[2:04:56]
22nd the bid review subcommittee met and
[2:04:59]
there was approval of uh two bids. Uh
[2:05:02]
the first one was um awarded in the
[2:05:05]
amount of 100,000 for one year to Hatch
[2:05:07]
Landscape and Design uh for paving
[2:05:10]
services and the second bid uh was up to
[2:05:14]
uh $150,000 for three years to Buckley
[2:05:19]
um elevator for elevator services uh for
[2:05:21]
the district. Um, I'll put a motion on
[2:05:25]
the floor for approval of the FY27
[2:05:28]
school bids. Um, bid BPS-2026-031
[2:05:34]
for paving services of up to $100,000
[2:05:37]
one year hatch landscape
[2:05:39]
>> in design.
[2:05:41]
[laughter]
[2:05:42]
>> Hold on.
[2:05:43]
>> He's reading into the record. Go ahead.
[2:05:45]
reading uh with both bids uh and also
[2:05:48]
bid uh BPS 2026-036
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up to 150,000 uh for 3 years to Buckley
[2:05:56]
Elevator.
[2:05:57]
>> Now you can second it.
[2:05:58]
>> Seconded.
[2:05:58]
>> Motion has been properly made and
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second. Misso,
[2:06:01]
>> yes.
[2:06:02]
>> Miss Oliver,
[2:06:02]
>> yes.
[2:06:03]
>> Mr. Rodriguez,
[2:06:04]
>> yes.
[2:06:04]
>> Miss Azac,
[2:06:05]
>> yes.
[2:06:05]
>> Mr. Pina,
[2:06:06]
>> yes.
[2:06:06]
>> Mr. Sullivan,
[2:06:08]
>> yes.
[2:06:09]
>> And I'm a yes as well. It carries. Um
[2:06:12]
item C, discussion, potential vote.
[2:06:15]
Superintendent's evaluation approval. Um
[2:06:18]
you guys have my slideshow.
[2:06:21]
All right. Perfect. So every year the
[2:06:24]
school committee has the privilege and
[2:06:27]
um
[2:06:29]
obligation of doing the superintendent's
[2:06:31]
evaluation. Usually in the beginning of
[2:06:34]
the fiscal year superintendent presents
[2:06:35]
her uh indicators and goals for the
[2:06:38]
whole fiscal year as she did earlier
[2:06:40]
today. And towards the end of the fiscal
[2:06:43]
year, this body goes over all those
[2:06:46]
indicators and we rate her um from
[2:06:50]
unsatisfactory, needs improvement,
[2:06:52]
proficient to exemplary. And those
[2:06:55]
scores are then uh combined and put
[2:06:57]
together for us to present for this
[2:06:59]
committee to accept and approve. All the
[2:07:01]
evaluations from each individual me
[2:07:04]
individual member will be um are usually
[2:07:07]
uh uploaded to our website. people can
[2:07:09]
go review and read what we said and how
[2:07:11]
we um evaluated her and the work that
[2:07:14]
she's been doing. So for this past
[2:07:17]
fiscal year the um progress towards goal
[2:07:20]
there were three major items as she
[2:07:22]
presented earlier that we are required
[2:07:25]
for uh implementation improvement. One
[2:07:27]
of those is student learning goal. The
[2:07:29]
second one is professional practice goal
[2:07:31]
and the third one is district
[2:07:33]
improvement goals. As far as performance
[2:07:36]
uh indicator, we have those four
[2:07:38]
standards. The first one is the
[2:07:40]
instructional leadership. Second one is
[2:07:42]
management and operations. Uh third is
[2:07:45]
family and community engagement. Fourth
[2:07:47]
is professional culture. And based on
[2:07:50]
everybody's evaluation, uh myself,
[2:07:53]
member CentO, member Pina were
[2:07:56]
designated to um meet and put all the
[2:08:00]
results together so we can average average out the um the scores
[2:08:05]
and how she performed for the uh three
[2:08:08]
goals. Professional practice, she met
[2:08:12]
for the district improvement, she met
[2:08:13]
the goal. And for student learning,
[2:08:15]
there were significant progress. As far
[2:08:17]
as the standards uh for instructional
[2:08:20]
leadership, she performed in the
[2:08:22]
proficient range for management and
[2:08:24]
operations proficient as well. Family
[2:08:27]
and community engagement proficient as
[2:08:29]
well and professional culture
[2:08:31]
proficient. The overall summitive rating
[2:08:34]
was a proficient score. Uh this is based
[2:08:37]
on every individual member scoring
[2:08:39]
subcategories of each one of these
[2:08:41]
standards saying how did she do as far
[2:08:44]
as curriculum? how she should do as far
[2:08:46]
as uh instruction in the classroom. So,
[2:08:48]
you know, evaluating our teacher, so on
[2:08:50]
and so forth and the average of those
[2:08:53]
will tell you the overall score for each
[2:08:55]
of these standards and she was
[2:08:57]
proficient on all of them. I believe in
[2:08:59]
past year what we did when that was my
[2:09:02]
first time doing the evaluation uh we
[2:09:06]
took some a few of the comments from
[2:09:08]
each member under each one of these
[2:09:10]
standards and put it with the whole
[2:09:12]
evaluation packet and then the overall
[2:09:14]
comment we use everybody's um evaluation
[2:09:18]
comments for this year um myself and
[2:09:22]
Misso I know unfortunately Mr.
[2:09:25]
uh was unable to attend due to um
[2:09:28]
outside of his control uh circumstances,
[2:09:32]
but we used everybody's evaluation for
[2:09:35]
every uh standard and every indicator.
[2:09:38]
So, the packet that you guys have and
[2:09:40]
they will be uploaded to our website has
[2:09:42]
everybody's comments, everybody's
[2:09:44]
evaluation for every indicator. Um I
[2:09:47]
thought it would be fair and transparent
[2:09:48]
that we put everybody's comment for each
[2:09:50]
section so the public has the
[2:09:52]
opportunity to read. Either way, we were
[2:09:54]
going to upload all these um all the
[2:09:56]
evaluation from each member. But a few
[2:09:58]
things that I wanted to highlight. Uh
[2:10:00]
these are comments from different
[2:10:02]
members. Uh I subdivided them into
[2:10:05]
strengths and into each standard. I put
[2:10:08]
a few um a quick sentence paragraph if
[2:10:11]
you will uh from you guys and some of
[2:10:14]
you will recognize your comments. I hope
[2:10:16]
you do. Um for instance from
[2:10:19]
instructional leadership uh an area of
[2:10:22]
strength uh from one of the members they
[2:10:25]
said maintaining a clear focus on
[2:10:27]
teaching learning and continuous
[2:10:29]
improvement across the district. This is
[2:10:31]
what they have seen for operations. Uh a
[2:10:34]
member said I believe this is the
[2:10:36]
superintendent's strongest standard and
[2:10:38]
the year's work is exceptionally well
[2:10:40]
documented for family and community. Um
[2:10:45]
the comment reads as her collaborative
[2:10:47]
approach and accessibility have helped
[2:10:49]
foster greater trust and partnership and
[2:10:52]
for culture has de demonstrally rebuilt
[2:10:56]
professional and intergovernmental
[2:10:58]
relationships. This district's recovery
[2:11:01]
required as far as uh growth. Obviously
[2:11:05]
uh there's always areas for growth. For
[2:11:07]
instructional we have demonstrate to
[2:11:10]
demonstrate whether interventions are
[2:11:11]
producing results not simply whether
[2:11:13]
programs were implemented. Uh for
[2:11:16]
operations uh fiscal systems especially
[2:11:19]
require stronger transparency planning
[2:11:22]
monitoring and accountability for family
[2:11:25]
and community um engagement. A more
[2:11:28]
visible and consistence presence
[2:11:29]
throughout the community. And for
[2:11:32]
culture, we heard that areas that we
[2:11:34]
need to continue working on,
[2:11:36]
particularly communication and
[2:11:37]
continuous learning. Uh these are just a
[2:11:40]
few of some of the comments that were
[2:11:41]
submitted by uh members of this uh
[2:11:44]
school committee. Uh the full
[2:11:47]
evaluation packet will be uploaded so
[2:11:49]
members of the community can go and take
[2:11:51]
a look, read some of the feedback and
[2:11:53]
some areas of strength and growth that
[2:11:55]
uh were provided. If members have any
[2:11:58]
question, comments, concerns, more than
[2:12:00]
happy to take them. Superintendent if
[2:12:02]
you have anything as well. Uh, Miss
[2:12:04]
Oliver,
[2:12:06]
>> thank you. I appreciate that. Um, I do
[2:12:08]
like the whole evaluation process. Um, I
[2:12:12]
get great joy of doing it even when I do
[2:12:15]
it for my nursing my nurses and clinical
[2:12:17]
supervisors. Um I think the take um away
[2:12:21]
is just basically the growth that I've
[2:12:23]
seen since you've been here and the
[2:12:26]
recovery that you have implemented with
[2:12:28]
your team and how we're moving forward
[2:12:31]
and we're not so much looking at the
[2:12:33]
past. You walked into a a disarray, a
[2:12:37]
mess, a disaster, a chaos, and I was
[2:12:39]
part of that when you walked in. Um, and
[2:12:42]
now I see a whole different um, school
[2:12:46]
district since you walked in and all the
[2:12:48]
work that you have done with your lead
[2:12:50]
with your team. I appreciate each one of
[2:12:52]
them because I think it's been a team
[2:12:54]
work. It hasn't been just a solo person.
[2:12:56]
hasn't just been I I I there's
[2:12:59]
definitely been a team and just working
[2:13:01]
to figure out and also the the ability
[2:13:04]
to work with every each one of us
[2:13:08]
different personality um and taking back
[2:13:11]
what we're asking individually and
[2:13:13]
respecting our opinions and to and bring
[2:13:16]
it back to your team and say okay how
[2:13:18]
can we do this better I do appreciate
[2:13:20]
that because some of us are very
[2:13:22]
stubbornheaded and we want certain
[2:13:24]
things to go um certain way like
[2:13:27]
tomorrow not giving you enough um you
[2:13:30]
know area of improvement and taking time
[2:13:33]
cuz nothing is done overnight especially
[2:13:36]
after everything that we've been through
[2:13:39]
the deficit the deficit and everything
[2:13:41]
else I think it's um it's uphill battle
[2:13:45]
and I see it every day and I see how
[2:13:47]
sometimes we had our conversations we
[2:13:49]
have spoken and I see how
[2:13:51]
[clears throat]
[2:13:51]
you are trying your best and I do
[2:13:54]
appreciate that Um, and I do see
[2:13:56]
sometimes you you're tired, you're
[2:13:58]
exhausted, but you keep moving. And
[2:14:01]
that's all we can ask. I think we ask to
[2:14:04]
build a a team and a relationship
[2:14:06]
between this all members and with you
[2:14:09]
and your team to respect. At the end of
[2:14:11]
the day, we have to be professional. We
[2:14:13]
got to respect and give you room to grow
[2:14:16]
and to make those improvement. We can't
[2:14:18]
just expect it to be tomorrow that you
[2:14:20]
get it done. But I do see the grace. I
[2:14:23]
do see your professionalism. I do see
[2:14:26]
the love that you have for the city and
[2:14:28]
the students and educators and that's
[2:14:30]
what all we ask is for you to continue
[2:14:32]
showing that and when I see um different
[2:14:36]
post of you going to different
[2:14:37]
activities and how the students just get
[2:14:40]
to you and and the educators and some of
[2:14:43]
them are speak very highly of you and
[2:14:44]
this is what we wanted. It was totally
[2:14:46]
not like that when we when I first
[2:14:49]
started with the old superintendent, but
[2:14:51]
I do see the growth and I do appreciate
[2:14:53]
that you do take all the feedbacks. You
[2:14:56]
allow it to sink in and you do your job.
[2:14:58]
At the end of the day, you basically
[2:15:01]
turn off the noise and you silent it all
[2:15:03]
and you do what we asking you to do is
[2:15:05]
continue moving the school district
[2:15:07]
forward. Thank you.
[2:15:08]
>> Thank you. Uh Miss Cinte followed by
[2:15:11]
Miss Azac.
[2:15:14]
>> Hello. Thank you for all the work. Um so
[2:15:18]
as someone that was um
[2:15:22]
elected or chosen to kind to help you um
[2:15:26]
to help with the with preparing this
[2:15:29]
material.
[2:15:31]
I was kind of shocked at how some of us
[2:15:35]
how how some of our comments was very
[2:15:38]
broad. So like I am someone that
[2:15:40]
supervise a team of seven and I also do
[2:15:43]
yearly reviews. Um for me as a
[2:15:47]
supervisor cuz we always want to make it
[2:15:49]
very clear that we are your boss. Um
[2:15:53]
that when I am supervising my folks I do
[2:15:57]
get I I do provide feedback to them in
[2:15:59]
the moment allow them for them to grow
[2:16:02]
or not. Um and when I do make my yearly
[2:16:08]
review with them, they will never be
[2:16:11]
surprised about what was said because
[2:16:13]
throughout the year I was able to
[2:16:15]
provide feedback. So for example,
[2:16:18]
um some of the comments that was there
[2:16:21]
was greater transparency,
[2:16:24]
better communication,
[2:16:26]
and strong accountability.
[2:16:29]
like we did not explain what was missing
[2:16:32]
or what do we wanted to change. Um so
[2:16:35]
for me those statements was very broad.
[2:16:38]
Um
[2:16:40]
if we need if we if we expect
[2:16:42]
improvement we need to give specific
[2:16:45]
examples and explain um how like how how
[2:16:49]
can that be success? Um
[2:16:53]
and I also think I think from being in
[2:16:57]
this role from January to now um I do
[2:17:00]
see that we as a committee really need
[2:17:04]
to see which one is our job role and
[2:17:06]
which one are the superintendent. So for
[2:17:08]
example like um school committee
[2:17:12]
calendar um meeters agenda
[2:17:15]
um communication responsibilities like
[2:17:19]
we also need to take ownership of that
[2:17:21]
because I've been in this seat here
[2:17:24]
where when we talk about communication
[2:17:26]
we have said that you know you did not
[2:17:28]
share with us on time or that you did
[2:17:31]
not do it when in fact you did provide
[2:17:34]
it to us. You also and you also email
[2:17:37]
this information. So, some of us are not
[2:17:40]
taking the time to check our emails or
[2:17:42]
read and then we come here and kind of
[2:17:45]
put the blame on you. Um, as one of your
[2:17:48]
seven boss, like we always like to say
[2:17:51]
it and throw it at your face. Um I
[2:17:54]
always said right like make sure you're
[2:17:56]
having a healthy work um and family
[2:18:00]
balance um self-care because
[2:18:04]
you have seven seven of us with seven
[2:18:07]
expectations and seven work style. Um
[2:18:11]
you're not going to be able to please
[2:18:13]
all of us at the same time. And I think
[2:18:15]
what um member Oliver was saying um you
[2:18:18]
can't respond to us right away because
[2:18:20]
that is not realistic. Um, so like I
[2:18:24]
said, I just hope that moving forward we
[2:18:27]
will pour into you so you can continue
[2:18:30]
to move the district forward and not
[2:18:32]
constantly bringing you down and
[2:18:34]
constantly critic criticizing you when
[2:18:37]
we're not doing our part. So again, I'm I'm speaking from someone that's
[2:18:42]
super that is currently supervising
[2:18:44]
teams um and how some of the comments
[2:18:48]
that was made um I really wanted to send
[2:18:51]
them back and said this is not
[2:18:53]
acceptable. We need to be more specific.
[2:18:56]
Um, as a new school committee member, I
[2:18:58]
took the time to attend a training on
[2:19:02]
how to do this. And per mask, uh, we
[2:19:05]
should be given specific we there's
[2:19:08]
clear goals and none of the goals was
[2:19:11]
about how do you feel about the
[2:19:12]
superintendent. It was about what are
[2:19:14]
the facts
[2:19:16]
and we know what facts are, right? So
[2:19:18]
facts is about what is documented and
[2:19:20]
what is our crime and our observation.
[2:19:22]
So, I just hope that moving forward that
[2:19:25]
we do a better job with pling for you,
[2:19:29]
supporting you, and if there is areas
[2:19:32]
that we feel like you're not doing well,
[2:19:34]
that will will be there to support you
[2:19:36]
and not bring you down every time. Um,
[2:19:40]
so thank you for doing the work. Um,
[2:19:42]
I've even though I was not part of the
[2:19:44]
hiring, I feel like I did reach out to
[2:19:46]
you and kind of give you a second
[2:19:48]
interview to ask why you invested in
[2:19:50]
Brockton. Um, so please continue to be
[2:19:54]
here, continue to pour into our
[2:19:56]
students, but most important, which is
[2:19:59]
to move the district forward. Um, and
[2:20:01]
I'm here to support that growth, but
[2:20:03]
also to support this city and our
[2:20:06]
student deserve a superintendent like
[2:20:08]
you that represents the community. So,
[2:20:12]
thank you,
[2:20:13]
>> Miss Azac.
[2:20:14]
>> Thank you. Um, actually
[2:20:18]
reviewing this this evening, I have to
[2:20:21]
admit I was not satisfied with the
[2:20:23]
format that we were using. Um, I didn't
[2:20:27]
like the format last year and I had
[2:20:28]
mentioned it to the vice chair at the
[2:20:30]
time. So, I was surprised we were using
[2:20:31]
the same format because
[2:20:34]
the thing that's on here that I'm
[2:20:36]
disappointed in is yes, I did put needs
[2:20:39]
improvement, but I did see progress and
[2:20:41]
I did give her an overall proficient.
[2:20:44]
that's not on here. It looks like I just
[2:20:46]
gave her needs improvement and I
[2:20:48]
explained why I put needs improvement
[2:20:50]
because I compared it with the with the
[2:20:52]
evidence with the book and with the Desi
[2:20:53]
report. So, I would prefer that this is
[2:20:57]
corrected because it's making it look
[2:20:59]
like I put needs improvement, but I did
[2:21:02]
give you an overall proficient. I should
[2:21:04]
hope you see those ratings because it's
[2:21:07]
an evaluation. We're all going to be all
[2:21:09]
over the place. Some of us really went
[2:21:12]
through this and put a lot of time into
[2:21:14]
it. Um, it is an evaluation. You you
[2:21:18]
will probably evaluate us. I mean, it
[2:21:20]
just it's this is how we're going to be
[2:21:21]
able to work better. Um, you know, we do have our strengths and we have
[2:21:25]
areas we have to work. Um, but I would
[2:21:29]
prefer that this be corrected is I do
[2:21:31]
not feel comfortable voting on this this
[2:21:32]
evening because this makes it look like
[2:21:35]
I put needs improvement as my overall
[2:21:38]
rating for that. um
[2:21:41]
for that standard and it just my overall
[2:21:44]
if you go back was proficient.
[2:21:47]
>> It didn't say that
[2:21:48]
>> where because it says needs improvement
[2:21:50]
next to
[2:21:51]
>> your overall was
[2:21:55]
no my overall for standard three misso.
[2:21:57]
So vice chair overall yes you have the
[2:22:00]
proficient but again you have needs
[2:22:04]
improvement next to our names in
[2:22:06]
parenthesis so it doesn't show that my
[2:22:10]
overall for for standard three was
[2:22:12]
proficient for the superintendent it
[2:22:14]
wasn't needs improvement
[2:22:19]
because I believe the other areas that I
[2:22:21]
did put needs improvement I did state
[2:22:23]
the positives our strengths and our our
[2:22:25]
weaknesses Um,
[2:22:27]
>> you tell me the page. Sorry.
[2:22:28]
>> Yes. Cuz
[2:22:30]
>> so if you if you go on here, I mean
[2:22:32]
overall I did give her proficient,
[2:22:34]
>> but when we look at for example like
[2:22:36]
standard I mean honestly this doesn't
[2:22:38]
look like
[2:22:41]
how we had it. So I mean it doesn't show
[2:22:44]
how many proficient she got, how many
[2:22:46]
needs improvement.
[2:22:47]
>> Yours says proficient
[2:22:49]
>> where I'm looking.
[2:22:50]
>> So which one are you?
[2:22:51]
>> I'm looking on the standard three vice
[2:22:53]
chair. You're you're saying in your
[2:22:55]
comment area it says
[2:22:56]
>> yes in my comment but yes it says needs
[2:22:59]
>> overall proficient these are the um
[2:23:02]
because remember it's overall comments
[2:23:04]
and overall um rating for that standard
[2:23:07]
for standard three your overall rating
[2:23:09]
was proficient
[2:23:10]
>> okay as long as you're
[2:23:11]
>> talking about the subcategories where
[2:23:12]
you give a few yes these are the overall
[2:23:15]
ratings so for instance if there was
[2:23:17]
five and you said for one that was needs
[2:23:19]
improvement the other four were
[2:23:20]
proficient
[2:23:21]
>> I mean you have some that are exemplary
[2:23:22]
I mean This is the same one.
[2:23:24]
>> Yeah, we are all over the place. I mean,
[2:23:26]
reviewing this, it's
[2:23:27]
>> this is the same thing as last year
[2:23:29]
>> and last year's format was not
[2:23:32]
>> we needed to work on it. I I I would
[2:23:34]
have hoped.
[2:23:35]
>> Absolutely agree.
[2:23:36]
>> Got recommendations prior to this going
[2:23:38]
out to the committee. Um
[2:23:39]
>> well, I'll say this. You and I had this
[2:23:41]
conversation. I agree. And I have those
[2:23:43]
feedback from you from member CentO
[2:23:46]
because she also wanted boxes for each
[2:23:48]
subcategory. So, if she had something to
[2:23:50]
say to specific one. So those are
[2:23:52]
recommendations that I will be able to
[2:23:54]
provide for the next evaluation.
[2:23:56]
>> Yeah. Because I mean you go from
[2:23:57]
>> if last year you gave those
[2:23:58]
recommendations to our former vice chair
[2:24:01]
that should be something that we should
[2:24:03]
have implemented then for now or should
[2:24:05]
have been communicated to all of us so
[2:24:07]
we could have implemented it.
[2:24:09]
>> So for instance the feedback you gave me
[2:24:10]
this year after this evaluation will be
[2:24:13]
submitted so we can update it and do
[2:24:16]
better next time.
[2:24:18]
>> Does that make sense? Um, it does, but
[2:24:19]
it just I I'm trying to look on here
[2:24:21]
because our, you know, you go from
[2:24:24]
unsatisfactory to needs improvement to
[2:24:26]
proficient to exemplary. And I know in
[2:24:28]
years past we've had seen significant
[2:24:31]
progress. Um, you know, you go from one extreme to another and it's just
[2:24:36]
like we really need another category
[2:24:38]
there.
[2:24:38]
>> Absolutely. But I just want to make
[2:24:40]
sure. I mean, I'm reading this and it
[2:24:42]
just says, you know, needs improvement,
[2:24:43]
but it doesn't show that my overall,
[2:24:45]
even though the majority overall was
[2:24:48]
proficient for her, but doesn't show
[2:24:49]
that I gave her a proficient overall, me
[2:24:51]
specifically. Where am I on here? Me
[2:24:54]
specifically.
[2:24:56]
>> Hold on. I'm confused.
[2:24:57]
>> So, you know, when you do the evaluation
[2:24:59]
in each one, so standard number one, I
[2:25:01]
gave her an overall proficient. Yes.
[2:25:02]
>> But there were areas that I put needs
[2:25:05]
improvement.
[2:25:05]
>> Yeah. Um,
[2:25:09]
>> we we can discuss. I mean,
[2:25:11]
>> I I know I hear what you're saying. This
[2:25:13]
is just for the overall for each
[2:25:15]
standard.
[2:25:16]
>> Yes.
[2:25:16]
>> So, she will be able now to get all the
[2:25:19]
other ones. She can review it and it
[2:25:21]
will be posted on our website. Your
[2:25:23]
individual evaluations
[2:25:24]
>> as long as the individual ones are
[2:25:25]
posted so they can see that
[2:25:27]
>> similar to last year. This is just for
[2:25:30]
the overall because the options you have
[2:25:32]
here, it doesn't have an option to say
[2:25:34]
category 1 A, 1 B, 1 C. Otherwise, this
[2:25:38]
is going to be a thick packet.
[2:25:39]
>> Usually, it is a thick packet. This is
[2:25:41]
an Yes. Don't say never. Never.
[2:25:44]
>> Last year, this is what we had.
[2:25:45]
>> You can't base this off of last year,
[2:25:46]
vice chair.
[2:25:47]
>> But this is what I'm saying. previous
[2:25:48]
years, we we
[2:25:51]
every every school committee member
[2:25:54]
>> takes time to do an evaluation and the
[2:25:56]
superintendent deserves a complete
[2:25:58]
evaluation from each one of us. And
[2:26:00]
>> as long as the complete evaluations are
[2:26:02]
online because the way that I'm looking
[2:26:04]
at this
[2:26:06]
>> um doesn't show that my overall
[2:26:09]
>> even for each individual standard was
[2:26:11]
proficient because you only gave
[2:26:13]
proficient or needs improvement. there
[2:26:15]
was no so that's why when I based my uh
[2:26:19]
recommendations is I have seen progress
[2:26:21]
I'm not going to say I haven't but you
[2:26:23]
know given given the um obstacles we've
[2:26:26]
hit we we do have work to do um you know
[2:26:28]
you compare it to the DESI report you
[2:26:30]
compare it to her exhibit book um so
[2:26:34]
again
[2:26:35]
>> no no I I understand what you're saying
[2:26:36]
but this is exactly as it was last year
[2:26:39]
just to say you know I haven't seen it
[2:26:40]
in the way that you're describing
[2:26:42]
>> yes I when I worked on it miss uh Dr.
[2:26:45]
Spalding had worked on it with me.
[2:26:47]
Previous um vice chairs had committees
[2:26:50]
that worked on it.
[2:26:51]
>> Totally understand.
[2:26:52]
>> Um but also you did give me feedback
[2:26:55]
this year. So my job as the vice chair
[2:26:58]
this year is to make sure for next year
[2:27:00]
those feedbacks are incorporated to the
[2:27:02]
new evaluation form.
[2:27:04]
>> Definitely.
[2:27:05]
>> If you said this last year,
[2:27:07]
>> I did.
[2:27:08]
>> Our former vice chair was here. So those
[2:27:10]
are feedback that you probably provided
[2:27:12]
to him which is great. It's fine. uh
[2:27:14]
these are the feedback you're providing
[2:27:16]
to me which again yourself miss you also
[2:27:19]
gave some feedbacks which will be um
[2:27:22]
recommended for next year
[2:27:23]
>> yeah and I respect
[2:27:23]
>> but this is the same as last year so
[2:27:25]
>> I respect everyone's evaluation this is
[2:27:28]
how they evaluate um everyone has a
[2:27:30]
right to do their own evaluation and if
[2:27:33]
they want to discuss it directly with
[2:27:34]
the superintendent they have every right
[2:27:36]
to and the superintendent can you know
[2:27:37]
have a meet with meeting with them but
[2:27:39]
um
[2:27:40]
>> absolutely um but no thank you and I did
[2:27:43]
note your feedbacks when you and I
[2:27:45]
spoke. So those will be recommended.
[2:27:47]
>> I think moving forward, especially where
[2:27:49]
we have a committee, we really should
[2:27:51]
have better recommendation as to how you
[2:27:53]
know Desi Desi um and I think um
[2:27:59]
you know, mask others have have
[2:28:01]
different um templates that we can use.
[2:28:04]
I I would recommend just seeing
[2:28:06]
different templates
[2:28:07]
>> um because I think it will just make it
[2:28:10]
better for the committee and for the
[2:28:12]
superintendent.
[2:28:13]
Thank you.
[2:28:13]
>> Um,
[2:28:15]
any other members? Just uh fight Mr.
[2:28:18]
Rodriguez.
[2:28:19]
>> Um, I I understand what member Azac is
[2:28:22]
saying, but one of my one one of the
[2:28:24]
issues that I have with this, and I'm
[2:28:26]
not sure if she still wants to hold off
[2:28:27]
on it because if you do, I would like to
[2:28:29]
hold off on this as well. Um, when we
[2:28:32]
know when we do the evaluation, if you
[2:28:34]
put exemplary or unsatisfactory, you
[2:28:36]
have to provide evidence. I would like
[2:28:38]
to see that evidence of, you know, what
[2:28:40]
brought that that rating to, you know,
[2:28:43]
unsatisfactory or exemplary um with
[2:28:47]
those members because you have to
[2:28:48]
provide evidence in in here. And even
[2:28:51]
with the uh evaluation process, there
[2:28:53]
was no mechanism of you actually
[2:28:55]
providing that evidence other than just
[2:28:56]
typing it in in your comment section.
[2:28:58]
>> That has to be uh accompanied with that
[2:29:00]
rating as well.
[2:29:02]
>> And that's in training.
[2:29:03]
>> We certainly can. um this will be the
[2:29:06]
will of the committee. However, I will
[2:29:08]
say um we did look it over. Um I did
[2:29:12]
question some of the comments, but
[2:29:13]
people really wrote a lot this time
[2:29:15]
around. Um the other piece is
[2:29:19]
yes, I I do appreciate that we should
[2:29:21]
have evidence and hey, this is what I
[2:29:24]
saw and this is why I gave you this
[2:29:25]
feedback,
[2:29:28]
which is also a good space for
[2:29:30]
improvement, but we just did the same
[2:29:31]
thing as last time.
[2:29:34]
and no evidence was provided um for some
[2:29:38]
cases and it was fine.
[2:29:42]
So I'm just
[2:29:44]
>> you can go back and review the uh last
[2:29:46]
year's event with those members when we
[2:29:48]
came that was something that was missed
[2:29:51]
and it's again with the format.
[2:29:53]
>> Uhhuh.
[2:29:54]
>> We have to just kind of I mean this is
[2:29:56]
why we're having this meeting to see
[2:29:57]
what works and what doesn't work make
[2:29:58]
our recommendations uh to provide
[2:30:01]
>> which is great. That's why I'm saying uh
[2:30:03]
I understand your frustration with the
[2:30:04]
form but I did not get your feedback
[2:30:06]
from last year. You gave them to the
[2:30:08]
former vice chair. So that's why we have
[2:30:11]
these forms. I didn't know that was one
[2:30:12]
of your recommendations, but this year
[2:30:14]
you gave me feedback. So I would improve
[2:30:17]
that.
[2:30:17]
>> But um as far as the um
[2:30:20]
>> so not so advice you not to interrupt,
[2:30:22]
but not so much on the forums, but just
[2:30:23]
in general,
[2:30:25]
>> those that take the chatting the course
[2:30:27]
um whether it's exemplary or
[2:30:30]
unsatisfactory,
[2:30:31]
you have to provide your evidence, not
[2:30:33]
just your opinions on someone's
[2:30:35]
performance. And there's a lot of
[2:30:37]
exemplaries. And I'm just trying to do
[2:30:40]
my job as a school committee member and
[2:30:42]
not have people say, "Well, why didn't
[2:30:43]
you point it out? Why did you guys just
[2:30:45]
rubber stamp this?" I would like to see
[2:30:47]
like pull it out. If it's in the
[2:30:49]
evidence, pull out the exemplaries and
[2:30:51]
the unsatisfactory, pull them out in the
[2:30:53]
evidence.
[2:30:53]
>> Is there an example you want to give me?
[2:30:56]
>> There's a lot of exemplaries in here
[2:30:57]
that don't have evidence attached to
[2:30:59]
them. So you guys prepared this and it
[2:31:01]
would have been nice to see you prior to
[2:31:02]
tonight to be able to absorb it, have
[2:31:04]
some questions made, um, you know, get
[2:31:06]
questions ready and things like that. So
[2:31:09]
again,
[2:31:14]
» mask says this is a
[2:31:16]
>> for someone to have exemplary, you have
[2:31:18]
to be a you have to have done something
[2:31:21]
[clears throat] to be a model for other
[2:31:24]
districts.
[2:31:24]
>> No, no, absolutely. I absolutely agree.
[2:31:26]
And you know years ago we used to see a
[2:31:28]
lot of that and then we had to we had to
[2:31:30]
educate some of the members that you
[2:31:33]
need to stand and same with
[2:31:35]
unsatisfactory. You have to stand behind
[2:31:38]
your ratings. Uh the the general one is
[2:31:41]
proficient but make your recommendations
[2:31:43]
and and things like that. But it's just
[2:31:46]
um I was really surprised just flipping
[2:31:48]
through this tonight like where's the
[2:31:51]
evidence? Um because it's all over the
[2:31:53]
place
[2:31:53]
>> and I'm wondering where's everybody?
[2:31:55]
Where where did everyone get their info
[2:31:56]
from? So
[2:31:57]
>> when you say everybody, you got to be
[2:31:59]
specific because I
[2:32:00]
>> Right. I think let's be clear about what
[2:32:01]
we talking about.
[2:32:02]
>> This speaks for this speaks for itself
[2:32:04]
and those can actually take a look at
[2:32:06]
it. It speaks for itself. Um and that's
[2:32:08]
why I was concerned because I did have
[2:32:10]
needs improvement.
[2:32:11]
>> Yes.
[2:32:11]
>> But it was overall each standard was
[2:32:14]
overall proficient is what I gave the
[2:32:16]
superintendent.
[2:32:16]
>> Okay. I put needs improvement so I could
[2:32:19]
actually explain where my concerns were,
[2:32:22]
but I gave her an overall proficient
[2:32:25]
>> in each each standard because I did see
[2:32:27]
the changes. I saw the work that goes
[2:32:28]
into this and her her team. Um, and it's
[2:32:31]
nothing against the superintendent, but
[2:32:33]
this is part of doing an evaluation.
[2:32:35]
>> You know, this is this is how we're
[2:32:36]
going to work on what we need to do. Um,
[2:32:39]
and I appreciate all the work that went
[2:32:41]
into it, but it's just seeing the
[2:32:42]
extreme here. I'd really like to take a
[2:32:44]
moment to review it before we we vote on
[2:32:47]
anything.
[2:32:48]
>> I'm just going to share then a few
[2:32:49]
things just so we we clarify. So, for
[2:32:52]
one, um we had our deadline. Not
[2:32:55]
everybody was able to meet the deadline.
[2:32:57]
Um well, we had a timeline for when we
[2:33:00]
wanted to present this and we had to
[2:33:02]
extend the the timeline for folks to
[2:33:05]
finish completing the evaluation. That's
[2:33:07]
one thing.
[2:33:08]
>> From who who needed an extension? I did
[2:33:10]
because I had family members that passed
[2:33:12]
away in the same week.
[2:33:13]
>> Member Sullivan, yourself and member
[2:33:14]
Sullivan.
[2:33:14]
>> But I also had it into you vice chair.
[2:33:17]
>> Yes, you did that on that Sunday and I
[2:33:19]
did reach out to the superintendent
[2:33:20]
because I'll be honest if we're going to
[2:33:23]
go there. Some of the exhibits weren't
[2:33:25]
even legible in the book. It was like a
[2:33:27]
font number two.
[2:33:28]
>> I'm not I'm just giving you reasons why
[2:33:31]
provided that it's legible. I accepted
[2:33:32]
everybody's response. Everybody wrote
[2:33:34]
something whether it's your pers
[2:33:36]
perspective what you have observed and
[2:33:38]
what not
[2:33:39]
>> there's there's no
[2:33:40]
>> my concern too is my concern too is I
[2:33:44]
know last year we had a lot of
[2:33:45]
evaluation that said unsatisfactory
[2:33:49]
and said didn't see anything but we did
[2:33:53]
not send it back because that was my
[2:33:55]
experience my first ever experience
[2:33:56]
doing an evaluation members said fair
[2:33:59]
and said unsatisfactory that was not
[2:34:02]
enough evidence But we did not complain
[2:34:04]
about it. We allowed it to be.
[2:34:07]
You see what I'm saying? This year, most
[2:34:09]
of us wrote a lot. Whether it was very
[2:34:12]
detailed, it was very elaborate
[2:34:15]
>> and everybody had their own perspective,
[2:34:17]
their own evaluation. It's like you
[2:34:19]
mentioned earlier, we this is what we
[2:34:21]
do. We have the opportunity to evaluate.
[2:34:25]
And for the for instance, yours was
[2:34:27]
submitted at a reasonable time. Then the
[2:34:29]
other one we had to work with member
[2:34:31]
Sullivan to submit his as well. It took
[2:34:35]
maybe a week after yours to be done to
[2:34:38]
then send it back to him to provide more
[2:34:40]
and he's you know he got his own health
[2:34:42]
issues and other things going on. So I
[2:34:44]
think the only person there that said
[2:34:47]
either exemplary or needs improvement
[2:34:49]
and did not write a lot is his and I
[2:34:53]
accepted it.
[2:34:56]
Yes. Because that's why I said, "Give me
[2:34:58]
an example of who and what was rated
[2:35:01]
that needs evidence." The only one that
[2:35:04]
I can think of is Mr. Sullivan's. You
[2:35:07]
see what I'm saying? So, I don't feel
[2:35:08]
it's fair to just now push it back. Last
[2:35:10]
year, we allowed him to do that and he
[2:35:12]
was fine to come here to the meetings
[2:35:14]
and do everything.
[2:35:15]
>> We didn't send it back to him to say
[2:35:17]
fair is not just a
[2:35:18]
>> different committee. Vice Chair,
[2:35:19]
>> I understand. But this is just I'm just
[2:35:21]
explaining the difference. You mentioned
[2:35:23]
vice chair. Hold on a second. I have so
[2:35:26]
you also mentioned there was a dead
[2:35:27]
there's never been a deadline actually
[2:35:29]
the reason we did the eval because I
[2:35:30]
asked where the evaluation was I even
[2:35:32]
had a conversation about the evaluation
[2:35:34]
I was told there's nothing that states
[2:35:35]
that we had to have it done by a certain
[2:35:37]
time we've had the evaluations done back
[2:35:39]
to Mr. Machello in December back to Mr.
[2:35:43]
Diagino in November and December. My
[2:35:45]
year was the first year we had it done
[2:35:47]
in the summertime. So, there was no
[2:35:48]
deadline to have to rush this and I
[2:35:50]
really wish the committee would have had
[2:35:51]
time to review this. Um, but I'm only
[2:35:55]
one vote.
[2:35:56]
>> No,
[2:35:56]
>> I just I in all fairness to the
[2:35:58]
superintendent though, I just am not I
[2:36:00]
do not agree with how it has all this.
[2:36:03]
>> Mhm.
[2:36:04]
>> Because when you do an overall, the
[2:36:06]
average would be proficient, but it
[2:36:07]
doesn't show that I gave her proficient.
[2:36:09]
It shows that I put needs improvement.
[2:36:12]
We can review this afterwards because I
[2:36:13]
mean this is how I'm understanding it
[2:36:15]
but I'm not going to keep hopping on
[2:36:16]
this.
[2:36:17]
>> No, no, I understand what you're saying.
[2:36:18]
Those evaluation will be posted along
[2:36:21]
with this. This is think of this as a
[2:36:23]
summary as an overview.
[2:36:24]
>> No, I understand.
[2:36:25]
>> Just like the presentation I just did.
[2:36:26]
She scored professional on everything
[2:36:28]
but it's the average of everybody's
[2:36:30]
>> but the detailed ones I can't put
[2:36:32]
everything together for this. It will be
[2:36:34]
posted on our website. People will be
[2:36:35]
able to read. The only things that I
[2:36:37]
posted for everything is the comments of
[2:36:38]
everybody's. Usually I thought it had
[2:36:41]
overall next to each one of us. I could
[2:36:43]
be wrong, but I thought when we did it,
[2:36:45]
>> did not. Last year it did not.
[2:36:46]
>> Each standard what you gave them. I
[2:36:48]
thought each standard would be what you
[2:36:49]
gave them, but if
[2:36:51]
>> No, it didn't last year. I did review it
[2:36:54]
because I wanted to prepare for this
[2:36:55]
presentation. I looked at what former
[2:36:56]
vice chair did. I follow similar
[2:36:59]
structure. I just wanted to do a quick
[2:37:00]
PowerPoint for it. But
[2:37:01]
>> just a reminder, everyone has a right to
[2:37:03]
do an evaluation. It should absolutely
[2:37:05]
that's what I'm saying. not be
[2:37:08]
>> it should not just you know what we all
[2:37:10]
have a right to do an evaluation and we
[2:37:12]
can all evaluate our way of evaluating
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um
[2:37:15]
>> yes
[2:37:15]
>> so
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I'm not going to go back and forth
[2:37:18]
listening to
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>> I agree with you what we did and what we
[2:37:21]
didn't do no just from you just
[2:37:23]
committees in general like I just
[2:37:24]
>> I can evaluate any way I want to
[2:37:26]
evaluate and I shouldn't be
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>> that's what I'm saying I'm agreeing with
[2:37:29]
you yeah well
[2:37:31]
>> yes
[2:37:31]
>> just just as a point of I guess of
[2:37:33]
information in the future
[2:37:36]
Um I I have in the past myself managed
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large numbers of people.
[2:37:42]
>> Um maybe if you just gave us um the
[2:37:46]
expectation beforehand
[2:37:48]
>> and had a meeting with us, maybe a a
[2:37:51]
workshop or something that explained
[2:37:54]
what you wanted to get at with this
[2:37:56]
evaluation and how you wanted it done.
[2:37:59]
It would have maybe had this go a little
[2:38:01]
bit smoother. Um, you know, I'm just
[2:38:05]
coming from the federal side. Um,
[2:38:08]
obviously this is just weird doing it
[2:38:10]
out in the public like this because
[2:38:12]
normally you would give the, um,
[2:38:14]
employee the opportunity to discuss it
[2:38:17]
and to possibly change whatever you
[2:38:20]
wrote.
[2:38:21]
>> That's how it works in the real world or
[2:38:24]
not in this setting, I guess. Um, so I
[2:38:29]
guess I'm just I'm getting used to it.
[2:38:32]
Um,
[2:38:34]
so I guess that's all I would say to
[2:38:36]
that.
[2:38:36]
>> No, I agree. And um, you brought up a
[2:38:39]
good point because one of the people
[2:38:41]
that I reached out to and Sarah also put
[2:38:43]
me in contact with is Sean, who's the
[2:38:46]
new mask representative for us, and he
[2:38:48]
does these trainings. Uh, the timeline
[2:38:51]
just did not coincide with our timeline
[2:38:53]
of when we started this. Uh the other
[2:38:55]
piece too is I checked in with some of
[2:38:57]
the members. I know I did it last year.
[2:39:00]
So I was going to follow that structure.
[2:39:01]
Miss AAC has been in this committee. Mr.
[2:39:04]
Rodriguez Sandra did her own individual
[2:39:06]
training. Miss Oliver has been the
[2:39:08]
committee. Um so to an extent most
[2:39:12]
members here have had the exposure or
[2:39:14]
have had some sort of training for this.
[2:39:17]
Um
[2:39:19]
the the the and there's nothing
[2:39:21]
different
[2:39:23]
from this one compared to last one so to
[2:39:25]
say but would some training be
[2:39:29]
important? Yes.
[2:39:30]
>> I don't I don't just I'm not saying
[2:39:32]
training. I'm saying your expectation as
[2:39:34]
to what you were trying to get from
[2:39:36]
this. I
[2:39:36]
>> timeline
[2:39:37]
>> I took training on this. Uh I I've done
[2:39:40]
this myself many many many times. Mhm.
[2:39:43]
>> All I'm saying is that I I think it
[2:39:46]
would have been more beneficial to the
[2:39:49]
committee if we had met first to discuss
[2:39:53]
the expectations and then conducted the
[2:39:57]
evaluation
[2:39:58]
and then discussed the evaluation as a
[2:40:01]
whole. That's all
[2:40:03]
>> the uh I'm going get to you one second.
[2:40:06]
No, the expectation for me as far as
[2:40:09]
this evaluation was just that we did
[2:40:11]
complete it by the timeline and if
[2:40:13]
anybody had any concerns or questions to
[2:40:16]
reach out. Um the standards and
[2:40:18]
everything was self-explanatory, had the
[2:40:20]
writing in the box that you know to
[2:40:23]
illustrate and and explain what they
[2:40:25]
were looking for. For me, it was just
[2:40:27]
that we got it done on time, similar to
[2:40:29]
last year, so we could then schedule the
[2:40:31]
meeting that I was trying to schedule
[2:40:32]
with the three of you guys, for us to
[2:40:34]
put it together and sit down and have
[2:40:36]
that conversation.
[2:40:36]
>> And to that, I would just say, I guess
[2:40:38]
it's uh it's more important than to just
[2:40:40]
get it done on time. Um I think it's
[2:40:42]
more important as the other members have
[2:40:44]
mentioned that we discuss this a little
[2:40:46]
bit more
[2:40:48]
>> and and um allowed some feedback from
[2:40:51]
the superintendent within the process
[2:40:54]
um so that she so that we could have as
[2:40:57]
a as a whole had a better um
[2:41:01]
perspective. I
[2:41:02]
>> I think the feedback was that meeting
[2:41:04]
that we did I did request that she came
[2:41:07]
in and present on the evaluation. In my
[2:41:09]
experience, it's not like we do away, we
[2:41:12]
give it to her, she gives some feedback.
[2:41:13]
We all submit it and the committee
[2:41:15]
members that sit down, put it together,
[2:41:17]
then have a discussion. If there's
[2:41:19]
anything that needs to be sent back or
[2:41:21]
needs further clarification, then we ask
[2:41:23]
the um the other thing too is we were
[2:41:27]
given about a month, which I think is
[2:41:28]
reasonable to do an evaluation. We were
[2:41:31]
provided with the book and there's the
[2:41:32]
DESI review, the OIG report, and all
[2:41:35]
these resources at our disposal. Um, and
[2:41:39]
also I think
[2:41:41]
there's no set timeline, but we were
[2:41:43]
given a timeline just like we for
[2:41:45]
instance hold her to that standard of we
[2:41:47]
need these things done by a certain
[2:41:49]
timeline or we should get these
[2:41:51]
information on time. I think we should
[2:41:52]
also abide by that same standard in a
[2:41:55]
sense. Um then this is part of the
[2:41:58]
school what the school committee does is
[2:42:00]
complete the evaluation and if we and
[2:42:02]
that timeline was provided here and I
[2:42:04]
gave a reminder to the whole group in a
[2:42:05]
subsequent meeting. So we knew how long
[2:42:08]
we had we knew the timeline the
[2:42:10]
evaluation was shared with everybody. So
[2:42:13]
I did expect everybody to complete it by
[2:42:15]
that timeline. Now, granted things
[2:42:18]
happen, um it doesn't mean we're going
[2:42:20]
to just stop you from doing it because
[2:42:22]
members still got to complete it after
[2:42:23]
the fact. If that I don't know if that
[2:42:26]
answer your questions. Um
[2:42:29]
but anyways, it is the will of the
[2:42:31]
committee. We have the evaluation. This
[2:42:34]
is nothing different from how we did it
[2:42:36]
last year. Um we can go on our websites,
[2:42:40]
the same thing that we uploaded. a few
[2:42:42]
things that I will say and then I'll
[2:42:44]
open it up to the rest of the members if
[2:42:45]
they want to say anything
[2:42:48]
uh to the superintendent. I know how
[2:42:50]
difficult it can be to you know being a
[2:42:52]
superintendent and all the work that you
[2:42:54]
have to do. Uh I think Mr. Rodriguez can
[2:42:56]
agree from a vice chair perspective. You
[2:42:58]
can see some of the things that goes on
[2:43:00]
and some of the work that the
[2:43:02]
superintendent has put in and her staff.
[2:43:05]
Um so I think a proficient across all
[2:43:08]
standards and goals is appropriate. Uh
[2:43:11]
it's welld deserved. You've been working
[2:43:13]
hard uh from the moment you got here um
[2:43:18]
a year, two years ago um till now and
[2:43:20]
we've seen a lot of progress. A lot of
[2:43:23]
things have changed. A lot of things
[2:43:25]
have been implemented. A lot of goals
[2:43:28]
have been accomplished. And I'm not just
[2:43:30]
saying that for myself. The OIG report,
[2:43:32]
the DESIE review says the same. um and
[2:43:36]
seeing you and your team just working
[2:43:38]
trying to make sure we are fulfilling
[2:43:40]
the needs, we are fulfilling all these
[2:43:43]
um all the work that needs to be done
[2:43:45]
and making sure the district is doing
[2:43:47]
what it's supposed to do. Um so I
[2:43:50]
applaud you. I applaud your team for all
[2:43:52]
the work that you guys do. Um proficient
[2:43:54]
all across is exactly what I expected.
[2:43:58]
um you guys have put in a tremendous
[2:44:00]
amount of work and again Miss Sent you
[2:44:03]
mentioned earlier there's you know
[2:44:04]
you're working for the district but
[2:44:06]
you're also working for this committee
[2:44:08]
we often have different perspective
[2:44:09]
different views and I've seen you trying
[2:44:11]
to run around and accommodate for
[2:44:14]
everybody which I always tell you it's
[2:44:16]
not always possible uh we can't have it
[2:44:18]
all um maybe something that I want is
[2:44:21]
not something one of my colleagues want
[2:44:22]
to do or the way that we want to go
[2:44:24]
about it but you still try to make it
[2:44:26]
happen so I appreciate all the work you
[2:44:28]
put in. Um, and I hope um, you know,
[2:44:32]
with this evaluation, also communicating
[2:44:36]
with members throughout our district
[2:44:37]
that we can be more supportive of not
[2:44:40]
just one another, but of the
[2:44:41]
superintendent and her team and some of
[2:44:43]
the work that needs to be done. Um, we
[2:44:45]
keep going back and forth a lot. I don't
[2:44:47]
know, we just had some back and forth
[2:44:49]
here, but we we need to focus on the
[2:44:53]
main goal uh, and keep that in mind as
[2:44:55]
we move forward.
[2:44:58]
Uh, Miss Oliver,
[2:45:00]
>> I think before I put a motion through, I
[2:45:02]
think um just to go back on Miss Aac, I
[2:45:05]
think that definitely something we need
[2:45:07]
to figure out how this valuation was
[2:45:09]
done. I know you had opinions last year
[2:45:12]
um regarding this valuation.
[2:45:14]
Unfortunately, it was not implemented
[2:45:15]
this year. And I think that's something
[2:45:17]
as we go from vice chair to vice chair
[2:45:19]
to speak to each other to pass the baton
[2:45:22]
correctly as we like you know mentor
[2:45:24]
each other and say listen this is what
[2:45:26]
the individuals from last year or last
[2:45:29]
time said we can improve on the
[2:45:31]
valuation so we can make those
[2:45:33]
corrections but if certain individuals
[2:45:35]
are not
[2:45:36]
you know given that information to next
[2:45:38]
vice chair is very hard for the next
[2:45:41]
vice chair to implement those changes.
[2:45:43]
So I think as we move forward we also
[2:45:45]
should have an evaluation on the vice
[2:45:47]
chair and how we move how certain things
[2:45:49]
are being done so the future vice chair
[2:45:51]
can see what was done and how we can
[2:45:54]
change it better. I think just having
[2:45:56]
those hard conversation to basically
[2:45:58]
help each other like if you don't if you
[2:46:00]
think the valuation can be improved
[2:46:02]
let's have a conversation among
[2:46:04]
ourselves to see how we can implement a
[2:46:06]
better valuation for next year. But we
[2:46:09]
did have almost like a month and we had
[2:46:11]
the booklet and all the information um
[2:46:13]
with us. I think it's Yeah, maybe the
[2:46:16]
years past we were doing it, you know,
[2:46:18]
you guys were doing later in the year. I
[2:46:20]
like it this way to do it mid year
[2:46:22]
before the next um school year, you
[2:46:24]
know, start the fiscal year started. I
[2:46:27]
don't mind it, but I think the valuation
[2:46:29]
itself, it's not the best. Definitely
[2:46:31]
not the best um format. I work with
[2:46:34]
better ones. it's more easy to
[2:46:36]
understand to basically put the goals
[2:46:38]
and implement the changes and the growth
[2:46:40]
um that I deal with uh on the year
[2:46:43]
yearly bas. But I think it's something
[2:46:45]
that we need to look and see how we can
[2:46:46]
fix it. But I'm just going to put the
[2:46:49]
motion into
[2:46:51]
number C uh vote for superintendent
[2:46:53]
evaluation approval.
[2:46:55]
>> That's a form of a motion.
[2:46:57]
>> Yes.
[2:46:58]
>> Is there a second?
[2:47:00]
>> Second.
[2:47:01]
>> A motion has been made and second. Do
[2:47:03]
you did you have something to say, Miss
[2:47:05]
Santea, on the motion?
[2:47:08]
>> I I I did, but I feel like what is the
[2:47:11]
point? So, I feel like as a newbie that
[2:47:14]
just started in January, um, yes. Do I
[2:47:17]
agree with the form itself? No, I do
[2:47:19]
not. Like, it was not friendly to use.
[2:47:22]
However, I took it upon myself to attend
[2:47:25]
a training so I can learn what I'm
[2:47:28]
supposed to be doing. one. Two, I even
[2:47:32]
took it a step further to share with all
[2:47:33]
of you guys the recording. So, you was
[2:47:36]
not able to attend. Here it is. And as
[2:47:40]
someone that I would like to believe I'm
[2:47:42]
a busy mom, right? I'm a mom of two. I
[2:47:45]
have two jobs.
[2:47:47]
There was a timeline and I honor that. I
[2:47:50]
remember being in grad school. Um there
[2:47:53]
was a timeline of when assignments
[2:47:55]
needed to be done because so I'm not I'm
[2:47:58]
here trying to understand where all
[2:48:01]
these where the disconnect is happening
[2:48:05]
when we could have easily emailed each
[2:48:07]
other or emailed and asked for
[2:48:09]
clarification
[2:48:11]
what is needed. Um again I'm new. I only
[2:48:14]
been here since January. Um so I feel
[2:48:17]
like some of you guys has been here
[2:48:19]
longer than I. So I am ready to to move
[2:48:22]
to um put a motion so we can vote on
[2:48:26]
this so we can move forward so we can
[2:48:28]
address the next topic.
[2:48:30]
>> All right. Motion
[2:48:32]
>> on that motion.
[2:48:32]
>> Motion, Miss Azac.
[2:48:33]
>> So to make my point, look at the last
[2:48:35]
page. So how do you give somebody that
[2:48:38]
kind of a statement and then you do
[2:48:39]
unsatisfactory? Did you reach out to the
[2:48:41]
member and clarify? Is that what you
[2:48:44]
wanted to do as a reading?
[2:48:47]
>> Last page.
[2:48:48]
>> Yeah, Mr. all of us coming.
[2:48:50]
>> Did you reach up? So you do that
[2:48:52]
>> not well to write this is this is what
[2:48:55]
I'm saying Joyce
[2:48:56]
>> they okay I'm just saying it just again
[2:48:59]
and I don't think more training is I
[2:49:01]
don't think we need nothing to do with
[2:49:03]
training this was how he
[2:49:04]
>> No I'm just saying I don't think I know
[2:49:06]
we got to because we did something last
[2:49:08]
year but ex
[2:49:09]
>> I know
[2:49:10]
>> but I can bring other over the years
[2:49:13]
we've had members from Brockton public
[2:49:15]
schools come before the committee so let
[2:49:17]
me just educate the committee they would
[2:49:18]
come before the committee explain how this is going to be done. Go
[2:49:23]
through all the standards and explain
[2:49:24]
it. So, it wasn't just given to us and
[2:49:26]
then said, [clears throat] "Here you go,
[2:49:27]
do it." Um, we've I've done evaluations.
[2:49:30]
I have no problem doing it, but I'm just
[2:49:31]
saying we keep saying this is how we did
[2:49:33]
it last year.
[2:49:34]
>> Last year, I remember voicing concerns
[2:49:36]
about that form. Um, but again, it's
[2:49:39]
just I don't think we need more
[2:49:41]
training. I just we really need to look
[2:49:43]
at better because I mean, again,
[2:49:45]
clicking on things and going through it
[2:49:47]
just was not user friendly. Um, but
[2:49:50]
we're just not I'm not going to keep
[2:49:52]
harping on this, but again, it just I
[2:49:53]
don't think the committee needed more
[2:49:55]
training on how to do an evaluation.
[2:49:56]
>> I agree with you there. I feel like
[2:49:58]
we're all complicated.
[2:49:58]
>> We've all attended mask. We've all
[2:50:00]
attended chatting.
[2:50:01]
>> As far as your feedback on the form
[2:50:03]
stuff, you gave me that this year after
[2:50:05]
the evaluation, like towards the end,
[2:50:07]
and I said, "This is good feedback.
[2:50:09]
Another member gave me feedback. I'mma
[2:50:12]
pass it on to the next whoever vice
[2:50:14]
chair is or the district and have them
[2:50:16]
improve it." Simple. How does that sound
[2:50:19]
to you?
[2:50:21]
>> It's fine. I'm one I'm one vote.
[2:50:23]
>> This is how we're supposed to improve.
[2:50:25]
We give each other feedback. You gave me
[2:50:27]
that feedback. I took I said, "Yes,
[2:50:28]
I'mma pass it on. So, next year we're
[2:50:30]
going to do a better form. It's more
[2:50:32]
user friendly." Whatever the case is,
[2:50:35]
>> but just for clarification, we could we
[2:50:37]
are not able to discuss the evaluation
[2:50:39]
with each other ahead of time.
[2:50:41]
>> Uh we would be violating um in
[2:50:43]
violation. So, we cannot discuss it with
[2:50:45]
each other and email each other back and
[2:50:46]
forth. This is our individual um
[2:50:48]
evaluations. But again, I just
[2:50:52]
>> No, I totally understand.
[2:50:54]
>> But I do feel like if you do need
[2:50:55]
clarification
[2:50:57]
that we can reach out to superintendent
[2:51:00]
if the font of what we receive is too
[2:51:03]
small, then we did.
[2:51:04]
>> So, you know what I mean? So, like I
[2:51:06]
feel like we're just bringing things
[2:51:08]
instead of us figuring out are we going
[2:51:10]
to move forward or not? Um I feel like
[2:51:13]
another thing that I constantly hear in
[2:51:14]
this committee is that we are
[2:51:17]
elected officials. So, if we're
[2:51:19]
concerned about how Tim Sullivan
[2:51:22]
um did not provide enough information
[2:51:26]
um that maybe we need to start
[2:51:28]
addressing, should he be in this
[2:51:30]
committee?
[2:51:32]
>> Um because I feel like
[2:51:34]
>> All right, let's let's move forward.
[2:51:36]
>> No, actually, vice chair, point of
[2:51:38]
clarification. I did not I just said
[2:51:41]
make sure when someone clicks on
[2:51:43]
something because it just contradicts a
[2:51:45]
positive a negative was contradicting a
[2:51:49]
positive statement. So, I just wanted to
[2:51:50]
say they might have clicked on something
[2:51:52]
accidentally. Did I was just asking did
[2:51:54]
you clarify because I even had questions
[2:51:56]
like cutting and pasting the way that
[2:51:59]
the format was. It was only one sentence
[2:52:01]
at a time. So, that's all it was just
[2:52:03]
clarification. It's only to help the
[2:52:05]
superintendent not to be against just to
[2:52:07]
make sure how do you have a positive and
[2:52:08]
then that was clicked.
[2:52:10]
>> So, it could have been an error. I mean,
[2:52:12]
I'm all set. Have a good evening.
[2:52:14]
>> Thank you. Make it brief and keep it to
[2:52:17]
the topic, please, Mr. Rodriguez. the so
[2:52:21]
last year was the first year
[2:52:24]
as vice chair when I did the uh when we
[2:52:27]
did the uh evaluation with that process
[2:52:30]
we added two members to that
[2:52:32]
subcommittee in order to bring more
[2:52:34]
transparency uh to do that and that
[2:52:36]
happened last year. So, I mean, some
[2:52:39]
people want it a certain way, some
[2:52:40]
people don't want it a certain way, but
[2:52:42]
I think collectively we just have to g
[2:52:44]
up into a a simpler format. Um, you
[2:52:47]
know, how we want it. And it's a
[2:52:49]
learning experience as being a vice
[2:52:51]
chair and doing your first evaluation
[2:52:54]
and then trying to compare it to years
[2:52:55]
past as just a member. You don't and I
[2:52:58]
understand that. Um and this is
[2:52:59]
something from last year to this year
[2:53:00]
that we, you know, prior to having the
[2:53:03]
uh the final superintendent that all the
[2:53:05]
members get everybody's copy so they can
[2:53:06]
review it and they can forward it to the
[2:53:08]
vice chair and the team to to look at it
[2:53:10]
to to make any um you know you know for
[2:53:13]
you know exemplary or and satisfactory
[2:53:15]
to to provide those evidence. That's
[2:53:17]
it's one of those uh uh learning
[2:53:19]
experiences of that. But um I know
[2:53:22]
there's a motion on the floor, but I
[2:53:24]
just want to just clarify it just to uh
[2:53:26]
my vote is not personal. It's that I
[2:53:29]
wanted to see some certain stuff. So
[2:53:31]
>> No, no, that's fine. Um
[2:53:34]
where did she go?
[2:53:37]
>> No, I completely understand. It is a
[2:53:38]
learning experience. That's what I'm
[2:53:40]
trying to say. So every time we do,
[2:53:42]
especially now that this committee is
[2:53:44]
being more transparent, we will improve
[2:53:47]
upon something with feedback, with
[2:53:49]
communicating with one another. Um,
[2:53:53]
we have a motion on the floor with papy
[2:53:54]
second. Uh, Miss Oliver,
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>> yes.
[2:53:59]
>> Mr. Rodriguez,
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>> no.
[2:54:01]
>> Miss Azac,
[2:54:02]
>> nothing personal, but I'd like to review
[2:54:04]
this, so I'm a no. I'd like to review it
[2:54:06]
further. Why is everybody leaving?
[2:54:08]
>> Mr. Ina
[2:54:09]
>> no.
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>> Mr. Sullivan.
[2:54:13]
>> Yes.
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>> Miss Contento.
[2:54:15]
>> Yes.
[2:54:16]
>> I'm a yes as well. It carries. Uh we
[2:54:19]
will move on to agendum item D.
[2:54:22]
Discussion potential vote approval of
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higher benefits coordinator position.
[2:54:26]
Mr.
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Superintendent.
[2:54:31]
>> Go first. So this position um uh the
[2:54:35]
need for it is is uh interesting because
[2:54:38]
it was not uh part of our original plan
[2:54:41]
or uh part of our budget from last year.
[2:54:44]
[snorts] Um because generally benefits
[2:54:46]
have been handled by the city. Um
[2:54:49]
however
[2:54:51]
recently uh we have been taking on more
[2:54:54]
of the benefits responsibilities and the
[2:54:56]
city has actually asked us to take on
[2:54:59]
the full benefits responsibilities for
[2:55:02]
the school district. So the 3,000
[2:55:06]
employees that we have um obviously this
[2:55:08]
is a a huge amount of work. um and in
[2:55:13]
city hall uh they do have several
[2:55:16]
benefits um coordinators. Um [snorts]
[2:55:20]
and so in order to take on this uh
[2:55:24]
additional responsibility
[2:55:26]
uh we did speak with the city about the
[2:55:29]
fact that we do have schedule 19
[2:55:31]
chargebacks and we pay for part of the
[2:55:34]
HR office at city hall. And so if this
[2:55:37]
is a responsibility that we are going to
[2:55:40]
be taking on that then that funding that
[2:55:44]
is in the schedule 19 for the HR office
[2:55:46]
needs to come back to the school
[2:55:48]
department so that we can fund this
[2:55:50]
position. So that is how this position
[2:55:51]
will be funded is from our own schedule
[2:55:54]
19. So basically it's just a
[2:55:55]
reallocation of these funds. Um I think
[2:55:59]
it does raise. So the the uh job
[2:56:03]
description that you see is very similar
[2:56:05]
to the one I believe for city hall. Um
[2:56:08]
along with the the salary range. Um and
[2:56:14]
um sorry, what was I going to say? I've
[2:56:18]
now lost my train of thought. Oh, this
[2:56:20]
brings up the question I that I I know
[2:56:22]
we've been talking about um [snorts] a
[2:56:25]
lot and we've been hearing about a lot
[2:56:27]
about merging the city and the school's
[2:56:32]
uh departments and responsibilities and
[2:56:36]
I know I have have talked about being
[2:56:40]
certainly open to that conversation as
[2:56:43]
long as we're very clear about what are
[2:56:45]
the steps, what are the timelines, where
[2:56:47]
are the responsibility centers, who are
[2:56:48]
the supervisors. Um because otherwise it
[2:56:52]
just becomes like a like I the merger if
[2:56:56]
you're just merging the departments
[2:56:57]
there's still people who have to do
[2:56:58]
those jobs and you still have to pay the
[2:57:01]
and so actually when I was presenting in
[2:57:04]
front of the city council or when they
[2:57:05]
invited me to talk about the merging of
[2:57:07]
departments we spent the majority of the
[2:57:09]
time talking about uh school police as
[2:57:11]
sort of the first pilot. Um,
[2:57:15]
however, I had also provided to them
[2:57:16]
because I'd done some research on cities
[2:57:21]
that have municipalities that have
[2:57:23]
merged certain departments with their
[2:57:25]
school department. And what was found in
[2:57:28]
many of those cases is that it doesn't
[2:57:30]
end up actually being a huge cost
[2:57:32]
savings because the work doesn't
[2:57:33]
disappear. The work is just shifted from
[2:57:36]
one to the other or you're saying now
[2:57:38]
it's a department together. And so
[2:57:41]
anyway, so this is all to say that I
[2:57:43]
know we need to have that more clear
[2:57:46]
conversation about when we're talking
[2:57:47]
about merging departments, what does
[2:57:49]
that really look like? Because shifting
[2:57:50]
work from the city to the schools and
[2:57:52]
isn't exactly I feel like we're actually
[2:57:54]
going the opposite direction. Um that
[2:57:57]
all being said, we are taking on the
[2:58:00]
benefits. Uh the HR department has been
[2:58:03]
uh in meetings with the HR department on
[2:58:06]
the city hall side has been starting to
[2:58:08]
be part of those meetings. uh been
[2:58:10]
working with their benefits
[2:58:12]
coordinators, but it is a huge amount of
[2:58:13]
work. And for those of you who were on
[2:58:15]
the committee um last year, my first
[2:58:17]
year, we actually
[2:58:20]
had done an or you all had done an HR
[2:58:23]
audit before I even arrived that then
[2:58:27]
resulted in a restructure of the HR
[2:58:29]
department when I did arrive. So, we
[2:58:31]
actually um made the department smaller.
[2:58:34]
We we streamlined some of the the um job
[2:58:38]
responsibilities. And so we actually
[2:58:41]
have an HR department that now has less
[2:58:43]
people and costs less than it did when I
[2:58:45]
first arrived as a result of that audit.
[2:58:48]
But if if now we have to take on these
[2:58:50]
more responsibilities, we do still need
[2:58:53]
like the the office as it stands right
[2:58:55]
now just doesn't have the capacity to do
[2:58:57]
it. Now I have very mixed feelings about
[2:59:00]
us taking on the benefits um
[2:59:04]
uh because on on one hand it's a huge
[2:59:06]
amount of work for the HR department. On
[2:59:08]
the other hand, I know that it has been
[2:59:09]
a conversation amongst many of us um and
[2:59:12]
with the city that there have been
[2:59:14]
concerns regarding benefits and there
[2:59:16]
have been concerns about benefits um
[2:59:18]
continuing maybe when an employee is no
[2:59:20]
longer uh with us anymore. And that has
[2:59:23]
been something that the school
[2:59:24]
department actually has been our team
[2:59:26]
has been supporting in auditing and
[2:59:29]
looking at and making sure is done
[2:59:31]
appropriately because obviously that
[2:59:32]
costs all of us money. But since we have
[2:59:35]
the most employees in the city, it costs
[2:59:37]
us the most money if we're paying for
[2:59:39]
folks who are not um
[2:59:42]
who are not supposed to be getting these
[2:59:44]
benefits. So on one hand, it's a huge
[2:59:46]
amount of work that is going to take a
[2:59:47]
lot of capacity and take a lot of staff.
[2:59:49]
On the other hand, does it, you know, I
[2:59:52]
do have some mixed feelings because I I
[2:59:54]
do want us to have more eyes on the
[2:59:57]
benefits on the school department side
[2:59:58]
to make sure that we are not paying for
[3:00:01]
employees that no longer work for us or
[3:00:03]
that shouldn't be getting certain
[3:00:04]
benefits. Um, so anyway, this is all to
[3:00:07]
say that I have mixed feelings, but uh
[3:00:10]
the work has been shifted over to us.
[3:00:12]
The HR department at city hall does not
[3:00:14]
have the capacity. uh we would be doing
[3:00:16]
it and I think m honestly one benefits
[3:00:20]
coordinator I don't even know if that's
[3:00:22]
going to be enough um to to do all 3,000
[3:00:25]
but at least for now as we're starting
[3:00:27]
this in the middle of the year and
[3:00:28]
transitioning this work over um it would
[3:00:31]
at least be a start.
[3:00:34]
>> So this is this was the question that I
[3:00:37]
had but so since you now presented it it
[3:00:40]
kind of shifts a little bit. Um I wish id known that beforehand. Uh
[3:00:45]
so
[3:00:47]
okay
[3:00:49]
so I in my experience I've worked in the
[3:00:52]
federal government and and I was lucky
[3:00:53]
enough to be over an office where I had
[3:00:55]
control over HR and all that other stuff
[3:00:56]
right
[3:00:58]
3,000 employees and how many do we how
[3:01:00]
many HR um whether we call them liaison
[3:01:04]
or whatever we call them what how many
[3:01:05]
>> so we have in the department um six
[3:01:09]
seven people eight people.
[3:01:12]
>> Okay. Um, wow.
[3:01:16]
>> So, this would be nine.
[3:01:17]
>> That would be nine.
[3:01:18]
>> This would be nine.
[3:01:18]
>> And And so,
[3:01:20]
>> knowing what I've kind of looked at
[3:01:24]
previously that we were bringing the
[3:01:26]
packets over to city hall once somebody
[3:01:29]
came on or left. Right. So, is this
[3:01:31]
person now does that eliminate the
[3:01:33]
packet going over to city hall?
[3:01:35]
>> Well, we're digitizing all of that
[3:01:36]
anyway. So that has been a project that
[3:01:38]
we have been working on in conjunction
[3:01:40]
with city hall. But this would actually
[3:01:42]
be someone who even enroll like helps to
[3:01:45]
enroll folks. But yes, they would not
[3:01:47]
then have to go over to city hall and
[3:01:49]
sign up for insurance.
[3:01:50]
>> So your expectation is is that this
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person works 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a
[3:01:55]
year.
[3:01:58]
» I'm sorry. Say um meaning are they a
[3:02:01]
full-time employ,000?
[3:02:03]
>> Yes.
[3:02:04]
>> So you think only one?
[3:02:06]
>> No, I don't. Okay. Um
[3:02:08]
>> because then that means they can't take
[3:02:09]
leave. They can't get sick.
[3:02:10]
>> Right. I mean, I do think we are going
[3:02:12]
to have to hire that this is we're going
[3:02:15]
to have to have and this is part of that
[3:02:16]
larger conversation because some of the
[3:02:19]
things that we've been doing right now
[3:02:20]
is telling um city hall that we've got a
[3:02:23]
halt like we can't be taking it all on.
[3:02:25]
We just don't have the capacity. So,
[3:02:27]
this would at least give us some
[3:02:28]
capacity to start to take on the work,
[3:02:30]
but I do not by any means believe that
[3:02:33]
this is going to give us the capacity to
[3:02:34]
do all employees. So, we're going to,
[3:02:36]
and this is what I sort of mean about
[3:02:38]
like we can't just talk say we're
[3:02:41]
merging or we're we or we're
[3:02:42]
transferring the work from here to
[3:02:43]
there. There needs to be a a business
[3:02:46]
plan. There needs to be a timeline.
[3:02:47]
There needs to be responsibility
[3:02:49]
centers. We need to have an
[3:02:50]
understanding of what we're doing before
[3:02:52]
we're doing it. Um, we need to be
[3:02:54]
planning it proactively rather than
[3:02:56]
reacting. And and I very uh much admit
[3:02:59]
that this is reactive because that work
[3:03:02]
has been shifted over to us. So, do I
[3:03:04]
think that this is the the greatest plan
[3:03:07]
and that this should be the long-term
[3:03:08]
plan? Absolutely not. Um, but it it is
[3:03:13]
uh just a step as we are trying to
[3:03:16]
figure out what the larger plan looks
[3:03:18]
like. And I do think we need to have a
[3:03:20]
conversation
[3:03:21]
with city hall and and I know and again
[3:03:24]
Jay Condan has been incredibly uh
[3:03:27]
collaborative and supportive and
[3:03:28]
recognizes that there's the maintenance
[3:03:30]
line of schedule 19 that doesn't exactly
[3:03:33]
tie out. So I do believe that it's going
[3:03:35]
to be um that you all are going to be
[3:03:38]
able to see a schedule 19 that is
[3:03:41]
auditable and that is understandable and
[3:03:43]
that actually reflects the services
[3:03:44]
we're getting. So I do feel confident in
[3:03:46]
that now. Um but and so yes this um this
[3:03:51]
cost would then be shifted to us from
[3:03:53]
that schedule 19.
[3:03:54]
>> So I I just have three quick questions.
[3:03:56]
So the first first one is um do do our
[3:04:00]
current HR employees have the expertise
[3:04:03]
to do this?
[3:04:04]
>> No.
[3:04:04]
>> All right. No. Second um I I've seen our
[3:04:09]
schedule 19. Um ho how how are we
[3:04:15]
predicting the cost that was
[3:04:19]
>> well that's a great question back
[3:04:20]
>> and
[3:04:21]
>> so for last year I believe it was
[3:04:24]
>> almost 400,000
[3:04:26]
>> almost $400,000 that we were spending um
[3:04:30]
on the HR department for city hall that
[3:04:32]
was one of the the lines so we will be
[3:04:36]
putting less than that um by at least 60
[3:04:40]
to8 85,000 is I believe the range for
[3:04:42]
this position. Um that will at least be
[3:04:45]
uh it will be less than that. Now do I
[3:04:48]
think it will be even less than that?
[3:04:50]
Yes, because I do believe that we will
[3:04:52]
be able to have a number that is more
[3:04:54]
auditable.
[3:04:55]
>> And then the last question is um this
[3:04:58]
was there a number on this that you put
[3:05:00]
forward that I don't I didn't see the
[3:05:02]
number.
[3:05:02]
>> Um
[3:05:02]
>> does it say one? Uh
[3:05:04]
>> just one you mean meaning one FTE? Yes,
[3:05:08]
one FTE for now. Um, and hopefully again
[3:05:11]
I'll be able to come to you all with a
[3:05:13]
larger long-term plan um that I do need
[3:05:16]
to work with the city on because again I
[3:05:18]
need to better understand because if
[3:05:21]
we're shifting the work over that's less
[3:05:22]
of a merger, right? That's more that's
[3:05:24]
actually going the opposite direction.
[3:05:26]
So I need to better understand again
[3:05:28]
what the vision is. Um I admit I don't
[3:05:31]
know right now. Uh but I have every
[3:05:33]
intention of finding out. So
[3:05:35]
>> last cost concern and this is a major
[3:05:37]
concern obviously.
[3:05:38]
>> Yes.
[3:05:38]
>> But so much.
[3:05:42]
>> So we know that we were paying out in
[3:05:44]
excess of a few million dollars of
[3:05:46]
benefits that we shouldn't have. So with
[3:05:48]
this happening, is there currently a
[3:05:50]
backlog where we're that's still
[3:05:52]
happening? Are we we assured that we're
[3:05:55]
not paying for things that we shouldn't
[3:05:57]
be right now?
[3:05:58]
>> No, we are not assured of that right
[3:05:59]
now. We are in the process of cleaning
[3:06:01]
it up. So, why couldn't we just hire
[3:06:03]
like I mean,
[3:06:05]
>> why just one then? I guess
[3:06:08]
>> because I don't want to overpromise at
[3:06:10]
this point. Um,
[3:06:12]
yeah. I I mean, I figure let's start
[3:06:15]
with one.
[3:06:15]
>> So, they're going to keep most of it.
[3:06:17]
>> No, not necessarily. I'm sorry. Again, I
[3:06:20]
don't have a long-term plan. We're just
[3:06:22]
starting with one uh because that I feel
[3:06:26]
is a safe way to go. um is to start with
[3:06:29]
one because I know that we will at least
[3:06:30]
get that amount back in our schedule 19
[3:06:33]
before we were to hire any more than
[3:06:35]
that. I want to want to get confirmation
[3:06:37]
of what that final schedule 19 number is
[3:06:39]
for HR for city hall. Like I wouldn't
[3:06:42]
want to just assume that we were going
[3:06:45]
to get two salaries worth.
[3:06:46]
>> So why not just say four right now and
[3:06:48]
then if you only need to hire one, you
[3:06:51]
hire one.
[3:06:53]
I I mean that is certainly another way
[3:06:55]
to go if that would be something y'all
[3:06:57]
would be comfortable with. I I
[3:07:02]
that's certainly something we could do.
[3:07:04]
I would want to again confirm with city
[3:07:07]
hall that we would be getting all of
[3:07:09]
those salaries back in our schedule 19
[3:07:12]
uh before actually hiring for. Uh but at
[3:07:15]
least for now I know we need one because
[3:07:17]
as the work is even transitioning a
[3:07:19]
little bit we do need somebody who has
[3:07:21]
that that expertise.
[3:07:26]
» I yield.
[3:07:27]
>> Thank you.
[3:07:27]
>> Uh Miss M. Oliver.
[3:07:29]
>> So um when the audit happened with the
[3:07:33]
HR I think we were spending about like
[3:07:35]
$1.6 $6 million about that and two two
[3:07:39]
millions and we had how many people in
[3:07:41]
HR when we before we did what we had to
[3:07:45]
do to save um cost
[3:07:47]
>> I actually came back
[3:07:48]
>> we actually have a
[3:07:49]
>> like I don't know um it's all right I'll
[3:07:52]
invite up Kathy Marian she'll
[3:07:54]
>> while legal team you know she gets to
[3:07:56]
the podium but the only concern I have I
[3:07:58]
get this whole merging thing but this
[3:08:00]
doesn't sound like merging this is sound
[3:08:02]
like you're taking our responsibility
[3:08:04]
and you pay for it. I'm just We've like
[3:08:08]
before I even got on the school
[3:08:09]
committee, all I've ever heard in this
[3:08:11]
city is that Central is heavy. That
[3:08:14]
Central loves to spend money. We're
[3:08:15]
throwing money out the way and there's
[3:08:18]
money three out somewhere and then we
[3:08:19]
just keep giving money out. And we
[3:08:21]
finally did an audit. We cleaned it up
[3:08:24]
and we saved so much money by doing what
[3:08:27]
we had to do to be fiscally responsible.
[3:08:30]
And now you're telling us that you want
[3:08:33]
us to hire all these people and then
[3:08:34]
where the money's coming from.
[3:08:36]
>> Well, in all fairness, they didn't say
[3:08:38]
that wasn't their directive. It was to
[3:08:40]
take the work, but they didn't say hire
[3:08:42]
people.
[3:08:43]
>> We would have to hire people,
[3:08:44]
>> but we have to hire people, right? So,
[3:08:46]
we did at least confirm that we need to
[3:08:48]
hire someone and so we will be taking
[3:08:50]
that money back from SC.
[3:08:51]
>> So, it's hiring and also training
[3:08:53]
because we don't have people to do the
[3:08:55]
job and now it's going from paper to
[3:08:58]
Yes. Our hope is to be more efficient
[3:09:01]
and Exactly. Yes.
[3:09:02]
>> So for us to go to paper electronic, we
[3:09:04]
have to train individual and that's
[3:09:07]
going to take time and then we have to
[3:09:09]
make sure we get people that's also able
[3:09:11]
to do the job. This is a high a lot of
[3:09:14]
responsibility for 3,000 people and
[3:09:16]
we're trying to figure out I if we're
[3:09:18]
merging, we're merging. We're taking
[3:09:20]
responsibility together, not I'm just
[3:09:22]
going to keep throwing things to the
[3:09:23]
school side and you guys figure it out
[3:09:25]
and you pay for the people. We're saving
[3:09:28]
them money, but we're putting more cost
[3:09:29]
on us. But uh how many do we have?
[3:09:32]
>> There were 12 at one point. 12.
[3:09:34]
>> 12 and now we're down to eight.
[3:09:36]
>> Yes.
[3:09:38]
>> It's just very confusing to me how I get
[3:09:40]
it. We need we want to merge certain
[3:09:42]
department, but we also got to be
[3:09:43]
fiscally responsible and you're not
[3:09:45]
going to put all the work on us and for
[3:09:48]
us to figure it out. I'm just very
[3:09:50]
concerned about that that I don't feel
[3:09:51]
comfortable voting on this until we have
[3:09:54]
a better picture idea of what it's going
[3:09:56]
to cost us and what's the consequences
[3:09:58]
going to be on our budget.
[3:10:01]
>> Miss you.
[3:10:03]
>> And my concern is that we take on this
[3:10:06]
responsibility by only hiring one one
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person and then like you said this for
[3:10:13]
3,000 um staff that's a lot. And the and
[3:10:17]
then for you to do your assessment, it
[3:10:19]
says we we need more. So how can we say
[3:10:22]
we need two to three staff? So like I
[3:10:25]
guess when is this happen or did it
[3:10:28]
already happen?
[3:10:29]
>> No. No. It's for your you to approve.
[3:10:31]
>> Okay. So it sounds like
[3:10:33]
>> and for us to have this discussion.
[3:10:34]
>> Okay. Great. Um so do you have a date
[3:10:38]
line like have they proposed a date of
[3:10:40]
when this merger? Well, I don't even
[3:10:43]
know if it's merge. this added
[3:10:45]
responsibility to be sent back to be
[3:10:47]
sent to us.
[3:10:48]
>> We've already started to do some of the
[3:10:50]
work. The um the timeline that city hall
[3:10:52]
had set was that all of the health
[3:10:54]
insurance would come over to the school
[3:10:56]
department by the end of August, which
[3:10:58]
has already passed. Um I was also
[3:11:00]
informed in August that it was not just
[3:11:01]
health, but it's also dental and life.
[3:11:04]
So, um there's more work that's coming
[3:11:06]
our way as well. We've just started the
[3:11:08]
trainings to and to get access to the
[3:11:10]
portals.
[3:11:11]
>> Okay.
[3:11:13]
So I'm now
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>> I'll say
[3:11:15]
>> I'm confused. What
[3:11:17]
>> Mr. Pena?
[3:11:18]
>> I'm very very confused. Not not not at
[3:11:21]
you. Um
[3:11:22]
>> so they just decided to just send it
[3:11:24]
over and just say you deal with it. I'm confused now. Now I know that you
[3:11:28]
guys are great down there in HR. I know
[3:11:30]
a lot of you down there. You're you're
[3:11:32]
salt of the earth. But I mean I I'll be
[3:11:36]
honest that I I believe there's a ratio
[3:11:38]
to how many HR I just call them leazison
[3:11:41]
but whatever you want to whatever you
[3:11:42]
guys call them. Shouldn't there be like
[3:11:44]
maybe one per 200 employees? And that's kind of a lot.
[3:11:49]
>> Um when we asked when I went to the
[3:11:51]
first meeting in August and was told
[3:11:52]
that this work was coming to my office
[3:11:54]
um I asked how many people they have at
[3:11:57]
city hall doing this work and I was told
[3:11:58]
they have four. Um we currently have
[3:12:01]
3,3449
[3:12:03]
employees in the city in the school
[3:12:05]
department. Um I believe that this I
[3:12:07]
don't have the number between 8 and 900
[3:12:10]
for the city side. So obviously as Dr.
[3:12:13]
Tieani said uh one is not enough but if
[3:12:16]
we're going to we already have some of
[3:12:17]
the work in my office we already have
[3:12:19]
people meeting uh with people like
[3:12:21]
polymorphic to figure out how we're
[3:12:22]
going to digitize this and I could go on
[3:12:24]
and on but um we don't have the capacity
[3:12:26]
right now to do this well and as you
[3:12:29]
know benefits are extremely important to
[3:12:31]
people.
[3:12:32]
>> So don't don't we see that this is what
[3:12:34]
messed up before? Like I'm con I'm very
[3:12:39]
confused right now.
[3:12:45]
Miss Oliver.
[3:12:47]
>> So when this first came to light at a
[3:12:50]
meeting that you went to in August
[3:12:52]
shouldn't have been brought to us to our
[3:12:55]
attention before it was thrown into our
[3:12:57]
HR without discussing it with us. Like I I just feel bad for the for the HR
[3:13:03]
department because we decreased it to
[3:13:05]
save money and now we're putting more
[3:13:07]
work on individuals that without even
[3:13:10]
consulting with the school committee
[3:13:12]
members to even say do we approve or not
[3:13:14]
approve what you're throwing at at HR.
[3:13:17]
You're telling us we need to save money.
[3:13:19]
We let go people change position and
[3:13:21]
move them. And now you're telling us
[3:13:23]
never mind you're going to have to hire
[3:13:24]
four people because you got to do all
[3:13:26]
this. But it was not brought to us cuz
[3:13:28]
this is this is financial. This is money
[3:13:31]
that we have to figure out how we going
[3:13:32]
to be able to afford for different
[3:13:35]
people in that department to do the job.
[3:13:37]
So I'm just very this is when
[3:13:40]
communication
[3:13:42]
breaks down right because when city does
[3:13:45]
certain things and thinks that data
[3:13:47]
shouldn't basically
[3:13:49]
consult with us to basically say okay
[3:13:52]
where's the money where's it coming from
[3:13:54]
how are we funding this do we yes we
[3:13:56]
want to make sure that we're not paying
[3:13:58]
individual health insurance or benefits
[3:14:00]
they shouldn't be having but this should
[3:14:03]
have been a deep conversation this
[3:14:05]
should have been a meeting in August
[3:14:07]
and not now to basically say, "Yeah,
[3:14:09]
we're going to have to hire somebody." I
[3:14:11]
think that we need to throw it back and
[3:14:13]
we need to have a conversation cuz this
[3:14:15]
is not going to work well. And I don't
[3:14:17]
think it's fair to put on director of
[3:14:19]
HR, figure it out, do it or no, do it.
[3:14:22]
You have no choice. Basically, what they
[3:14:23]
did like you have no choice. You got to
[3:14:25]
start doing it in August.
[3:14:31]
» I say that.
[3:14:34]
Superintendent, is this something that
[3:14:36]
you would recommend we try to get more
[3:14:37]
information and move it to the next
[3:14:39]
meeting just given the time?
[3:14:44]
>> I'll be honest, I've been struggling
[3:14:45]
with this one. Um it it is it is hard to
[3:14:48]
manage um because um
[3:14:53]
you know, we're trying to be uh more
[3:14:55]
collaborative and supportive to city
[3:14:57]
hall. On one hand, I think that this is
[3:14:58]
a compliment. I think it's because we
[3:15:00]
are doing great work and we have a lot
[3:15:01]
of capacity. um uh not people-wise, but
[3:15:04]
we have uh the ability to do um more
[3:15:08]
than we have in the past. And so I and I
[3:15:11]
think, you know, we're demonstrating
[3:15:12]
ourselves to be very competent. And so
[3:15:15]
on one hand, I think that's a good
[3:15:17]
thing. Um that uh but
[3:15:21]
um
[3:15:26]
it is a difficult position for me to be
[3:15:28]
in because I sort of report to
[3:15:30]
everybody. Let's be right. I report to
[3:15:32]
all of you and I report to city hall
[3:15:34]
because you know the mayor is the chair
[3:15:36]
of our committee. So,
[3:15:39]
and this kind of comes back to the the conversation we were having earlier
[3:15:43]
about like it's not seven different
[3:15:45]
bosses, it's eight actually [laughter]
[3:15:47]
and trying to make sure that I am
[3:15:50]
managing everything appropriately. Um,
[3:15:52]
and so we are just trying to at the end
[3:15:55]
of the day, benefits, like you said,
[3:15:57]
they're important and we want to get the
[3:15:59]
work done and we want to get the work
[3:16:00]
done right for our employees. Um, and I
[3:16:02]
think the way this really started is
[3:16:04]
because um, we had it had come to our
[3:16:09]
attention or we had known for a while
[3:16:11]
that um, there were benefits being paid
[3:16:13]
out that shouldn't have been. And we did
[3:16:15]
start to take more interest in that
[3:16:18]
because we wanted to stop that process.
[3:16:20]
So, we started to ask more information,
[3:16:22]
ask for data, ask for access to portals,
[3:16:25]
started to help with the audit. Um, I
[3:16:28]
will say that Kimside ended up being
[3:16:30]
integral to that process. And so,
[3:16:32]
somehow in that whole process of us
[3:16:35]
cleaning, being part of the cleanup,
[3:16:38]
somehow it this got shifted. And
[3:16:41]
honestly, it was news to all of us. Um,
[3:16:44]
none of us were part of the meeting
[3:16:45]
where that happened. Um, so I I don't I
[3:16:49]
don't really know. Just one last
[3:16:50]
question. So the directive came on which
[3:16:53]
date was it?
[3:16:53]
>> It wasn't really a directive as much as
[3:16:55]
it was like
[3:16:57]
>> do it. Okay.
[3:16:58]
>> Here you go.
[3:16:59]
>> I was being gaslighted. [laughter]
[3:17:02]
>> Yeah.
[3:17:02]
>> So to take it kind of off of your
[3:17:06]
>> I mean that was it because I'm just
[3:17:07]
looking at the time and I know we have
[3:17:08]
our attorney here. Um is it something
[3:17:11]
that you need us or if we were to call a
[3:17:14]
special meeting just to discuss this
[3:17:17]
once we have more information? Um I mean
[3:17:19]
is it an outside comp you?
[3:17:21]
>> So I would like to be supportive to the
[3:17:23]
HR department. So I guess we have two
[3:17:25]
options here. We have the option of
[3:17:26]
moving forward with one uh benefits
[3:17:29]
coordinator and and trying to start to
[3:17:32]
transition this work over or so I think
[3:17:35]
that would be option one or option two
[3:17:37]
would be to stop um try to push the work
[3:17:40]
back and say we're going to pause. We
[3:17:42]
can't take any of this for an hour and a
[3:17:43]
longer conversation needs to happen.
[3:17:45]
That's what I believe to be the two
[3:17:47]
options are. If there's a third option
[3:17:48]
that I'm missing, please feel free to
[3:17:50]
let me know. But I would want to hear
[3:17:52]
from um Dr. Moran.
[3:17:54]
>> So Dr. Moran, before you answer, so you
[3:17:56]
mentioned training. What is involved
[3:17:58]
with the training? Like is it is it um
[3:18:03]
extensive training or is it something
[3:18:05]
that we can bring in an outside company
[3:18:07]
to help you uh temporarily?
[3:18:10]
Well, when it comes to just the Blue
[3:18:12]
Cross and Harvard for the health
[3:18:13]
insurance, we've been working with Blue
[3:18:15]
Cross with their um representative to
[3:18:18]
get ourselves acclimated to just the
[3:18:21]
portal itself. When it comes to actually
[3:18:23]
getting in and um starting the process
[3:18:25]
for new employees, ending the process
[3:18:28]
when people leave, changing things when
[3:18:30]
people have additions to their families.
[3:18:32]
Those are all details that we need to be
[3:18:35]
trained on. Those are the the details.
[3:18:37]
Um, in addition to that, as I said,
[3:18:39]
there's also, uh, dental and life that
[3:18:41]
we haven't begun to scratch the surface
[3:18:44]
yet. So, um, in in terms of bringing in
[3:18:47]
an outside agency, I think it's really
[3:18:49]
about if since I was hired here in the
[3:18:51]
early 2000s, health insurance was always
[3:18:54]
handled by city hall. So, we need to
[3:18:56]
build our capacity by working with city
[3:18:59]
hall that's been doing it for decades,
[3:19:01]
so we can get ourselves up to speed. Um,
[3:19:03]
but that's just the health insurance
[3:19:04]
piece. the dental and life are also um
[3:19:07]
out there.
[3:19:08]
>> So, I mean, this is something they're
[3:19:09]
already doing now, but by the time we
[3:19:12]
get on board and um get the training,
[3:19:15]
it's just it's it's it's
[3:19:17]
timesensitive. So, I would say let them
[3:19:22]
continue to help us until we can
[3:19:25]
identify
[3:19:27]
funds for those positions that you're
[3:19:29]
going to need. um
[3:19:32]
just yeah just take the money but more
[3:19:34]
than one person you know she's she's going to need more than one
[3:19:38]
employee to be doing that where they
[3:19:39]
have four
[3:19:41]
>> um but okay that
[3:19:43]
>> I'll say
[3:19:45]
>> um to take it off your plate um please
[3:19:48]
answer truthfully
[3:19:51]
how many employees do you think you need
[3:19:54]
to be able to do this uh proficiently
[3:19:58]
because I will tell you that as somebody
[3:20:00]
that is someone with disabilities that
[3:20:04]
um if you do not correctly input the
[3:20:07]
insurance then you start getting phone
[3:20:10]
calls at the house a lot.
[3:20:12]
>> Mhm.
[3:20:12]
>> And then it becomes a stressful
[3:20:14]
situation for the employee and there's a
[3:20:17]
lot of trust that's lost everything
[3:20:19]
else. So please answer as honestly as
[3:20:22]
you possibly can.
[3:20:24]
>> I have no idea. We haven't started this
[3:20:26]
process yet. All I know is that city
[3:20:28]
hall has four employees that are doing
[3:20:30]
this work for the school department and
[3:20:33]
city side for about 4,000 employees if
[3:20:35]
we're taking um 3/4s of that. Um and
[3:20:39]
>> and they weren't doing it proficiently.
[3:20:41]
Correct.
[3:20:41]
>> I I there are always glitches. I mean
[3:20:43]
there were times when people left um and
[3:20:45]
their insurance wasn't turned off, but
[3:20:47]
as you just mentioned, whenever there's
[3:20:49]
a change in um if a benefits change,
[3:20:51]
there'll be open enrollment. you know,
[3:20:53]
when your baby turns 26 out of nowhere
[3:20:55]
and she needs to get her own insurance.
[3:20:57]
All of these things, these life events,
[3:20:59]
they trigger something and they they're very timesensitive.
[3:21:02]
>> And so I I would just say um I think
[3:21:04]
there's an option C and and I would move
[3:21:08]
to amend this item to add two additional
[3:21:12]
um FTE to it in case so that you don't
[3:21:16]
have to come back if it's something that
[3:21:17]
you need to hire right away. So I would
[3:21:19]
move to amend it to three rather than
[3:21:21]
just one.
[3:21:23]
That's in the form of a motion.
[3:21:25]
>> That was
[3:21:26]
>> uh is there a second?
[3:21:27]
>> Second.
[3:21:28]
>> Motion has been properly made and
[3:21:29]
second.
[3:21:31]
>> Uh Miss Cinte. Miss Oliver.
[3:21:33]
>> No.
[3:21:35]
>> Mr. Rodriguez.
[3:21:37]
>> Nope.
[3:21:38]
>> Miss Azac?
[3:21:40]
>> Yes.
[3:21:40]
>> Mr. Pina?
[3:21:41]
>> Yes.
[3:21:42]
>> Mr. Sullivan?
[3:21:44]
>> Yes.
[3:21:45]
>> I'm a yes as well. Two
[3:21:48]
four. It carries. So, I make a motion to
[3:21:51]
now pass that um item D E.
[3:21:56]
>> Wait, D, you're right. Sorry, man.
[3:21:58]
>> Oh, see, you got me there, man.
[3:22:00]
>> I make a motion to advance
[3:22:03]
>> item D uh approval to hire three um
[3:22:07]
benefit coordinator position.
[3:22:11]
>> Motion has been made. Is there a second?
[3:22:15]
>> Clarification. Um all same salary.
[3:22:19]
So, I mean,
[3:22:20]
>> there's a range. We'll post a range and
[3:22:22]
I think it depends on expertise or
[3:22:25]
experience. Yeah. A number of factors.
[3:22:27]
>> Okay. I'll second it. Yep. I'll second
[3:22:29]
it
[3:22:29]
>> on the motion. Do you want to add that
[3:22:31]
the funding source has to come from the
[3:22:34]
schedule 19?
[3:22:34]
>> Yeah.
[3:22:35]
>> Granted that
[3:22:36]
>> Yeah, that that's what she she already
[3:22:38]
identified that though.
[3:22:40]
>> Yeah,
[3:22:40]
>> I know. But I'm just saying cuz we we
[3:22:42]
fight for money a lot. We fight over
[3:22:44]
money a lot. Contingent upon
[3:22:46]
>> contingent upon
[3:22:48]
>> as long as we put it on the record.
[3:22:50]
>> Perfect. Um, so there's a motion on the
[3:22:53]
floor. Second. Misso,
[3:22:56]
>> yes.
[3:22:56]
>> Miss Oliver,
[3:22:57]
>> no.
[3:22:58]
>> Mr. Rodriguez,
[3:22:59]
>> no.
[3:22:59]
>> Miss Azac,
[3:23:00]
>> yes.
[3:23:01]
>> Mr. Pina,
[3:23:02]
>> yes.
[3:23:02]
>> Mr. Sullivan,
[3:23:04]
>> yes.
[3:23:05]
>> I'm a yes. As well carries. Um, item E.
[3:23:09]
Discussion potential.
[3:23:10]
>> Thank you, Dr. Maran.
[3:23:12]
election of official voting delegate of
[3:23:15]
the mass mask mass annual business
[3:23:18]
meeting November 4th to the 6, 2026. Uh
[3:23:21]
as you guys know, every year when mask
[3:23:23]
does um their conference, we elect a
[3:23:26]
member uh among those that are going to
[3:23:29]
be our repres representative of this
[3:23:32]
committee uh to vote on our behalf and
[3:23:34]
we also elect an alternative member. Uh
[3:23:37]
I'm not sure who is going. I won't be
[3:23:39]
going this year. So if we can have just
[3:23:44]
uh hands up for those that are going so
[3:23:46]
the rest of the committee knows. So we
[3:23:49]
got Mr. Pina, Miss AAC.
[3:23:52]
So almost everybody but myself and Mr.
[3:23:54]
Sullivan are you going?
[3:23:55]
>> I think it's that front.
[3:23:57]
>> I did but
[3:24:00]
I'm assuming that's a no.
[3:24:01]
>> Um is anybody willing to be the
[3:24:04]
delegate?
[3:24:05]
>> I nominate Joyce Azac.
[3:24:07]
>> I thank you for the nomination. And I
[3:24:09]
just I need to step away. Nope. Thank
[3:24:11]
you.
[3:24:12]
>> Thank you for the nomination. Um but I I
[3:24:15]
will not be attending the delegate part.
[3:24:17]
So I do have to leave
[3:24:18]
>> accept your nomination.
[3:24:19]
>> No, it's for that Friday. So I have to
[3:24:21]
leave and come back.
[3:24:22]
>> Any other members that would like to be
[3:24:24]
the delegate or you guys want to
[3:24:26]
nominate any other members?
[3:24:28]
>> Stephen. [laughter]
[3:24:31]
>> Wow.
[3:24:32]
>> I nominate
[3:24:34]
Tony Rodriguez.
[3:24:36]
>> Tony, do you accept that nomination?
[3:24:39]
You don't have to accept.
[3:24:40]
>> Might as well. Nobody else is going to
[3:24:41]
stand.
[3:24:41]
>> All right. So, Tony Rodriguez has been
[3:24:43]
nominated as our delegate. Can we have
[3:24:45]
an alter alternate?
[3:24:47]
>> I'll [clears throat] be the backup.
[3:24:49]
>> Everybody in agreement.
[3:24:52]
>> Do we have to vote on it or No.
[3:24:53]
>> Yeah, you have to vote on it.
[3:24:54]
>> Yeah, we vote on it.
[3:24:55]
>> Okay.
[3:24:55]
>> So, we have uh Mr. Rodriguez as our
[3:24:59]
delegate and Mrs.
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>> Miss Cinteo as our um secondary. Um,
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I'll take a motion to
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>> make a motion to pass the Mr. Rodriguez
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as the primary and Miss Contento as the
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alternate for the mask mass uh
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delegation.
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>> Is there a second?
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>> Second.
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>> Motion has been properly made in second.
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Miss Cento,
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>> yes.
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>> Miss Oliver,
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>> yes.
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>> Mr. Rodriguez,
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>> Miss Azac,
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>> yes.
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>> Mr. Pina,
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>> yeah.
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>> Mr. Sullivan,
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>> yes.
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>> I'm a yes as well passes.
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Congratulations.
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Um, agenda item
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seven, school school safety and
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security. Our police layers on.
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>> All right, let be quick about this. It's
[3:25:43]
getting late.
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Our last two home night games were Oh,
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good evening everyone. Sorry. Our last
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two home night games went off without
[3:25:52]
any significant issues. We appreciate
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the continued cooper Well, what
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happened? uh cooperation of the students
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and the families and the fans and
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helping with making the event safe and
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successful.
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We continue to work collaboration with
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the school uh department in various ways
[3:26:08]
accommodating their needs and promote
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safety and respect among our
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constituents ensuring different uh
[3:26:14]
different perspective and concerns uh
[3:26:17]
are heard with and valued. Excuse me.
[3:26:21]
We're also conducting internal
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interview.
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We're looking at what has gone well,
[3:26:28]
identifying areas of improvement. It may
[3:26:30]
be appropriate reviewing these goals and
[3:26:32]
previous established
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determine whether any uh new goals
[3:26:36]
should be considered considering moving
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forward.
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Any questions?
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>> Miss Oliver,
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>> thank you very much for your report. I
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think the last two home games has been
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great. Um Don, my only concern is that I
[3:26:53]
noticed last um game. I know it was
[3:26:56]
raining. A lot of people didn't want to
[3:26:57]
go sit in the bleachers. Um I think that
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if we can just help the coaches and just
[3:27:03]
move individuals from defense. I I saw a
[3:27:06]
lot of um athletic director trying to
[3:27:09]
move um students and go to the
[3:27:11]
bleachers. Um if we can get more help
[3:27:13]
with that cuz I did see a lot of it more
[3:27:15]
kids um by the fence instead of sitting
[3:27:18]
down. But I think the overall I think
[3:27:21]
that like the you know the blackout day
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they had the first home game and the
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last game was like the pink for breast
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cancer a war awareness and I think that
[3:27:30]
it was a really good home game and I and
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I do appreciate all the hard work
[3:27:33]
everybody's been doing. Thank you.
[3:27:35]
>> Thank you
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>> Mr. Pina.
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>> Yeah. So uh I have a few questions. The
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first one is um what is your thought on
[3:27:43]
the um illumination of the non non-field
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areas? Are they illuminated enough for
[3:27:50]
safety purposes?
[3:27:52]
My my concern is over by the uh
[3:27:55]
underneath the scoreboard and where that
[3:27:57]
the snack shack or I forget what we call
[3:27:59]
it, but it's not really lit up. Uh I've
[3:28:01]
been to obviously the other um high
[3:28:04]
schools in the area and theirs is pretty
[3:28:06]
lit up. Um
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I don't know whether it would help
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safety wise. Um
[3:28:14]
thoughts?
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>> Yeah, lights are great. That'd be great.
[3:28:18]
Lighting, visible, safety.
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>> Awesome.
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>> And the uh second question is that
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pertaining to the football um in all
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sports, but um I noticed that uh there
[3:28:32]
were no um Brockton police um city
[3:28:36]
police at our at the games and there was no incidences which as you
[3:28:42]
reported. So that would be a a pretty
[3:28:45]
big savings. uh to us. Um was it
[3:28:50]
beneficial?
[3:28:51]
Uh were you guys able to uh conduct the
[3:28:54]
safety measures everything without uh
[3:28:57]
concern?
[3:28:59]
>> There's 12 of us there. We actually had
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uh
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Captain Captain two captains.
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We had good vision.
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>> Awesome. And then um I I might have
[3:29:14]
missed it, but did you mention anything
[3:29:16]
about any recent um
[3:29:20]
criminal activity around any of the
[3:29:22]
schools pertaining to either uh the
[3:29:25]
transate population or any incidences
[3:29:28]
involving students?
[3:29:31]
>> Um
[3:29:34]
say that again. I'm sorry. So the
[3:29:36]
homeless population that uh takes over
[3:29:40]
the PL area especially in the Arnown as
[3:29:43]
well. Um in the past we'd had issues
[3:29:46]
with that with uh them leaving some
[3:29:49]
gifts behind. Uh has that has there been
[3:29:52]
any uh additional issues?
[3:29:56]
>> Uh not that I know of. But if I can
[3:30:01]
reach out to
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get get that information for you to
[3:30:06]
>> Awesome. And you said you said we now
[3:30:08]
are at 12 on duty.
[3:30:15]
» Or was that some from the
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>> total? Yeah.
[3:30:19]
>> Awesome. And I'll just say um one kudos
[3:30:22]
or good job or whatever you guys want to
[3:30:24]
call it. Pat on the back. How's that?
[3:30:26]
Um, so I've noticed that you have you
[3:30:29]
guys have randomly gone to the
[3:30:31]
elementary schools and not just driving
[3:30:34]
by, but actually going with your lights
[3:30:36]
on during the drop off and pickup, which
[3:30:39]
has helped immensely with the I I'll say
[3:30:43]
quadruple parking uh especially at the
[3:30:46]
schools that I've gone and and watched.
[3:30:49]
Um, so I I would thank uh who whoever is
[3:30:52]
in charge of that process and and as as
[3:30:55]
well as the the school police for being
[3:30:58]
as um um on the ball as as you guys
[3:31:03]
>> I'll call you back on this.
[3:31:06]
>> Mr. Sullivan,
[3:31:07]
>> I call you back.
[3:31:10]
I I think the one of the reason maybe we
[3:31:13]
can find out the lights issue by the
[3:31:16]
shed um the concession stand is because
[3:31:19]
there's houses right there and we can't
[3:31:21]
have so much bright light just facing
[3:31:23]
the the the houses over there. I wonder
[3:31:26]
I'm just trying to figure out cuz it is
[3:31:27]
very dark in that area when I try to go
[3:31:30]
get food and it's very very dark in that
[3:31:32]
area.
[3:31:33]
>> I don't know if it's because of house
[3:31:34]
that like fenced our stadium. We'll talk
[3:31:38]
to Ken.
[3:31:39]
>> Yeah. Well, and if you face them this
[3:31:40]
towards the field, it's not an issue.
[3:31:42]
But I would also add that the the band
[3:31:44]
boosters
[3:31:45]
>> u and this this is very dark.
[3:31:47]
>> This is a facilities thing. They're
[3:31:49]
sitting out there with uh
[3:31:51]
>> little tiny lanterns.
[3:31:54]
It's I mean we can we can run a line out
[3:31:56]
there and put a light up there, but
[3:31:58]
>> and I think also facilities issue
[3:31:59]
>> the light under the bleachers too when
[3:32:02]
um the band um they go under it to like
[3:32:05]
have their snacks and drinks. It's very
[3:32:07]
dark there and the safety um issues too,
[3:32:10]
especially with the rain. I mean, if we
[3:32:12]
can figure out the lights under there
[3:32:13]
will be greatly appreciated just for
[3:32:15]
students when they walk in to go to the
[3:32:17]
bathroom is very dark under there. Um,
[3:32:19]
another thing that I want to find out if
[3:32:22]
it's true or not, if there's already
[3:32:24]
encampment like a encampment around here
[3:32:27]
at the school, like where the forest
[3:32:28]
area is, or is there any individuals
[3:32:32]
basically housing out there like the
[3:32:34]
homeless people? Because I know there
[3:32:36]
are some students that have said they
[3:32:37]
have walked that way and there are
[3:32:39]
individual in the woods living there.
[3:32:41]
So, I want to make sure that we're
[3:32:43]
trying to figure out if there is and how
[3:32:45]
we basically make sure our students when
[3:32:47]
they walk through there, they're safe at
[3:32:49]
all time if we can get an idea what if
[3:32:51]
it's really happening or not.
[3:32:53]
>> Thank you,
[3:32:56]
>> Miss Cinte.
[3:32:57]
>> Hi.
[3:32:58]
>> Uh when we was there, uh we did talk
[3:33:02]
about traffic cuz that is on a main busy
[3:33:06]
road.
[3:33:06]
>> Yes. So what they what the principal did
[3:33:09]
share was that when there's a present
[3:33:11]
when one of your um somebody from your
[3:33:14]
team or you are there that things tend
[3:33:17]
to run smoothly
[3:33:19]
um they even give us a situation that
[3:33:22]
happened that week where um a school a
[3:33:26]
driver was behind the school van and did
[3:33:29]
not see the stop sign and took over. Um,
[3:33:32]
but you guys was right there and step up
[3:33:35]
um and spoke with the person. I sure if
[3:33:37]
they got a ticket or not. Um, I would
[3:33:41]
like if we can come up with a system
[3:33:46]
that because they aren't on the main
[3:33:48]
road
[3:33:49]
if there's a possibility that we for us
[3:33:52]
to make sure that they should always
[3:33:54]
have some coverage as much as I can. Of
[3:33:57]
course, does the Baker needs it? Does
[3:33:59]
the George need it? Does other school
[3:34:00]
need it? Yes. But I feel like for safety
[3:34:02]
reasons, um, is that something that can
[3:34:05]
be done?
[3:34:06]
>> Yes.
[3:34:08]
>> All the time.
[3:34:10]
>> Yes.
[3:34:12]
>> Okay. I'll be doing some random drive
[3:34:13]
by. Well,
[3:34:14]
>> thank you.
[3:34:15]
>> Random cruising.
[3:34:17]
>> I'll say this. We have a we have
[3:34:21]
a list of schools that we sit on traffic
[3:34:24]
>> in the Angelo where it's at because it's
[3:34:27]
such a congested area. It's either
[3:34:31]
before school or after school before dis
[3:34:34]
arrival dismissal. It's about 15 minutes
[3:34:37]
of chaos and it goes away. So it is on
[3:34:40]
our list of schools that we try and try
[3:34:43]
to get to. However, sometimes even
[3:34:46]
though we have 12, sometimes things come
[3:34:48]
up. Um officers are tied up on calls if
[3:34:52]
we're not able to get to that school on
[3:34:53]
that date. But that rest assure the the
[3:34:56]
Angelo is on that list along with the
[3:34:59]
Baker, the George, the Hancock.
[3:35:05]
Um, yeah, we got about we got seven
[3:35:09]
try to get to the Raymond.
[3:35:16]
Well, I just wanted to give a shout out
[3:35:18]
because the the principal did did
[3:35:19]
mention that when you guys are there
[3:35:21]
that things tend to move quickly, but
[3:35:24]
the safety of the students and also the
[3:35:27]
staff. So, I'm happy to hear that those
[3:35:30]
schools that are in the main road are on
[3:35:32]
top of your priority list. So, thank
[3:35:35]
you.
[3:35:35]
>> The uh football games and the events at
[3:35:37]
the uh stadium, how many officers do we
[3:35:39]
need to cover the uh the football games?
[3:35:45]
Hello. Um, that's up to the lieutenant
[3:35:47]
usually comes up with the the magic
[3:35:49]
number, but I can get that to you.
[3:35:52]
>> All right. Yeah, I I would like to
[3:35:53]
review that uh, you know, to coincide
[3:35:56]
that with our contract. Um,
[3:35:59]
>> okay.
[3:35:59]
>> You can ask number on the school police
[3:36:03]
>> that we shouldn't be getting any uh
[3:36:05]
invoices. Uh, that's extra.
[3:36:08]
>> Okay.
[3:36:09]
>> Thank you.
[3:36:10]
>> All right. Thank you, folks. Thank you.
[3:36:12]
Um item
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eight, announcements. Is there any
[3:36:17]
announcements?
[3:36:19]
Seeing none, we'll move to item nine,
[3:36:21]
executive session. Um I'll read this
[3:36:25]
into the record. Pursuant to mass
[3:36:26]
general law, chapter 30A, section 21 A3
[3:36:30]
to discuss strategy with respect to
[3:36:32]
collective bargaining or litigation if
[3:36:34]
an open meeting may be may have a
[3:36:36]
detrimental effect on the bargaining or
[3:36:38]
litigation position of the public body
[3:36:40]
and chair. So declares threaten and
[3:36:42]
current litigation. Uh can I have a
[3:36:44]
motion to go into executive session?
[3:36:46]
>> Motion to go into executive session.
[3:36:49]
>> Second.
[3:36:49]
>> Motion has been properly made in second.
[3:36:51]
Miss Antio,
[3:36:51]
>> yes.
[3:36:52]
>> Miss Soliviver,
[3:36:52]
>> yes.
[3:36:53]
>> Mr. Rodriguez,
[3:36:54]
>> yes.
[3:36:54]
>> Mr. Isac,
[3:36:55]
>> yes.
[3:36:56]
>> Mr. Sullivan,
[3:36:58]
>> yes.
[3:36:59]
>> Uh myself is a yes as well. We will be
[3:37:01]
going to executive session and we will
[3:37:04]
not be coming back. Um
[3:37:06]
>> is it going to be on a laptop or is it
[3:37:09]
going to be my phone? phone.
[3:37:13]
>> Yeah. Um,
[3:37:15]
wait, say that again.
[3:37:18]
>> And M. Yes. Mr. Sullivan will be joining
[3:37:20]
via phone for executive session. Um, can
[3:37:23]
I have a motion to adjourn?
[3:37:26]
>> Motion to return.
[3:37:28]
>> Second.
[3:37:28]
>> Motion has been properly made in second.
[3:37:30]
Miss Antio,
[3:37:31]
>> yes.
[3:37:31]
>> Miss Oliver,
[3:37:32]
>> yes.
[3:37:33]
>> That was executive session.
[3:37:35]
>> Oh, Mr. Rodriguez.
[3:37:37]
>> Yes.
[3:37:37]
>> Mr. Mr. Sullivan.
[3:37:41]
>> Yes.
[3:37:41]
>> I'm a yes as well. Meeting is adjourned.
[3:37:43]
We will not be coming back.